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	<title>Comments on: Mission accomplished? OUSD&#8217;s structural deficit, closure savings and other budget questions</title>
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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked at the link Gordon cited for composition of the SSCs, and while he was correct in what he quoted, farther down on the page it mentions community members being selected by the parents. The two sections did not seem consistent to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the link Gordon cited for composition of the SSCs, and while he was correct in what he quoted, farther down on the page it mentions community members being selected by the parents. The two sections did not seem consistent to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon: I understand what the state of California says about school site councils. Oakland Unified has made up their own rules. Please see OUSD document.

http://www.urbanstrategies.org/programs/schools/documents/MicrosoftWord-WhatisaSchoolSiteCouncil_51908ej_001.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon: I understand what the state of California says about school site councils. Oakland Unified has made up their own rules. Please see OUSD document.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.urbanstrategies.org/programs/schools/documents/MicrosoftWord-WhatisaSchoolSiteCouncil_51908ej_001.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbanstrategies.org/programs/schools/documents/MicrosoftWord-WhatisaSchoolSiteCouncil_51908ej_001.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oaklandotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oaklandotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EffectsofReform asked, &quot;If these schools were underenrolled (failing, not “schools of choice”), why was that so?&quot;

I think this is a great question and one that I have been pondering recently.  

7 years ago when I was first evaluating which school to send my children to I lived in Adams Point and Lakeview was our local school.  While I listed Lakeview on my list of 7 possible schools it was not my first choice. So I became one of the many parents who optioned into a different school site, (Someone recently told me about half of parents choose school outside their neighborhood, but I have not verified this stat)

Part of my decision was based on the fact that I was living in an apartment and expected to move neighborhoods.  Lakeview&#039;s close proximity to highly successful schools also worked into my equation. I could consider other school in part because Adams Point is near major public transportation routes making it easier for me to get to other school sites.

Not all neighborhoods have strong multigenerational ties and home ownership.  I would be interested in looking further into the community profiles of the site that were closed. Are we closing schools in neighborhoods with high turnover, lower home ownership and more apartment living?  How can strong school partner to build strong neighboring schools?  A school is not bad because it is next to a great school, nor is a school good because parents living nearby don&#039;t have easy transportation to credible alternatives.

As a parent at a overenrolled school I watch students dollars shift mid-year to cover gaps in funding at under-enrolled schools.

I understand the hard choices around school closers the district is making. I also have sympathies for the families, including my former neighbors whose schools are closing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EffectsofReform asked, &#8220;If these schools were underenrolled (failing, not “schools of choice”), why was that so?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a great question and one that I have been pondering recently.  </p>
<p>7 years ago when I was first evaluating which school to send my children to I lived in Adams Point and Lakeview was our local school.  While I listed Lakeview on my list of 7 possible schools it was not my first choice. So I became one of the many parents who optioned into a different school site, (Someone recently told me about half of parents choose school outside their neighborhood, but I have not verified this stat)</p>
<p>Part of my decision was based on the fact that I was living in an apartment and expected to move neighborhoods.  Lakeview&#8217;s close proximity to highly successful schools also worked into my equation. I could consider other school in part because Adams Point is near major public transportation routes making it easier for me to get to other school sites.</p>
<p>Not all neighborhoods have strong multigenerational ties and home ownership.  I would be interested in looking further into the community profiles of the site that were closed. Are we closing schools in neighborhoods with high turnover, lower home ownership and more apartment living?  How can strong school partner to build strong neighboring schools?  A school is not bad because it is next to a great school, nor is a school good because parents living nearby don&#8217;t have easy transportation to credible alternatives.</p>
<p>As a parent at a overenrolled school I watch students dollars shift mid-year to cover gaps in funding at under-enrolled schools.</p>
<p>I understand the hard choices around school closers the district is making. I also have sympathies for the families, including my former neighbors whose schools are closing.</p>
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		<title>By: Oaklandotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oaklandotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At elementary schools, the SSC must be constituted to ensure parity between (a) the principal, classroom teachers, and other school personnel, and (b) parents of students attending the school or other community members. Classroom teachers must comprise a majority of persons represented under section (a). At secondary schools, there must be, in addition, equal numbers of parents or other community members selected by parents, and students. Members must be selected by their peer group. California Department of Education Sept 2010 Guide for the Single Plan for Student Achievement.

As a parent, I joined my schools SSC in part because I believe my background in Public Administration would be most useful in that setting.  Our SSC has welcomed participation from individuals with a broad range of life and work experiences.  community members who have attended meetings along with parents. They would be considered for election (by peer group of parents and community members) if they step forward and asked to be considered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At elementary schools, the SSC must be constituted to ensure parity between (a) the principal, classroom teachers, and other school personnel, and (b) parents of students attending the school or other community members. Classroom teachers must comprise a majority of persons represented under section (a). At secondary schools, there must be, in addition, equal numbers of parents or other community members selected by parents, and students. Members must be selected by their peer group. California Department of Education Sept 2010 Guide for the Single Plan for Student Achievement.</p>
<p>As a parent, I joined my schools SSC in part because I believe my background in Public Administration would be most useful in that setting.  Our SSC has welcomed participation from individuals with a broad range of life and work experiences.  community members who have attended meetings along with parents. They would be considered for election (by peer group of parents and community members) if they step forward and asked to be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine:

Community members as such cannot be members of an SSC unless they are also parents or staff: “The SSC shall be composed of the principal; representatives of teachers selected by teachers at the school; other school personnel selected by peers at the school; parents of pupils attending the school selected by such parents; and, in secondary schools, pupils selected by pupils attending the school.” http://pubs.cde.ca.gov/tcsii/ch9/sscldrshp.aspx

But, the District could certainly enlist local persons with expertise to advise SSCs regarding the state of the research, if any there be, on proposed interventions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine:</p>
<p>Community members as such cannot be members of an SSC unless they are also parents or staff: “The SSC shall be composed of the principal; representatives of teachers selected by teachers at the school; other school personnel selected by peers at the school; parents of pupils attending the school selected by such parents; and, in secondary schools, pupils selected by pupils attending the school.” <a href="http://pubs.cde.ca.gov/tcsii/ch9/sscldrshp.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://pubs.cde.ca.gov/tcsii/ch9/sscldrshp.aspx</a></p>
<p>But, the District could certainly enlist local persons with expertise to advise SSCs regarding the state of the research, if any there be, on proposed interventions.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All in all, I *favor* public school closures. Little (if any) money will be saved but at least it&#039;s a small step in the right direction. 

The decision also sheds much needed light on OUSD&#039;s illegal school assignment policy, even if KM&#039;s blog mistakenly focuses on the human non-tragedy of Crocker Highlands kids getting crowded out.

What&#039;s with this fascination with the birth rate? 

I&#039;ve heard some pretty silly justifications for a college education but helping to promote a China-like, &quot;one-child&quot; policy certainly takes the cake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in all, I *favor* public school closures. Little (if any) money will be saved but at least it&#8217;s a small step in the right direction. </p>
<p>The decision also sheds much needed light on OUSD&#8217;s illegal school assignment policy, even if KM&#8217;s blog mistakenly focuses on the human non-tragedy of Crocker Highlands kids getting crowded out.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with this fascination with the birth rate? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard some pretty silly justifications for a college education but helping to promote a China-like, &#8220;one-child&#8221; policy certainly takes the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 03:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The government&#039;s reliance on &quot;experts&quot; is another disasterous legacy from the wacky Progressive Era.

Buckley&#039;s famous comment about placing more trust in first few hundred names in the Boston phone book comes to mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government&#8217;s reliance on &#8220;experts&#8221; is another disasterous legacy from the wacky Progressive Era.</p>
<p>Buckley&#8217;s famous comment about placing more trust in first few hundred names in the Boston phone book comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine, Since you&#039;ve sited your stats about college education assisting with birth control 2x now, it&#039;s worth pointing out that high school and some college/2year college students also had significantly less kids than HS dropouts.  

And a much more realistic goal for OUSD (while still encouraging those who can to go to college).

Even if OUSD has your ultimate goal, it seems a valid interm goal to focus first on getting as many kids as possible through HS and 2 yr college...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, Since you&#8217;ve sited your stats about college education assisting with birth control 2x now, it&#8217;s worth pointing out that high school and some college/2year college students also had significantly less kids than HS dropouts.  </p>
<p>And a much more realistic goal for OUSD (while still encouraging those who can to go to college).</p>
<p>Even if OUSD has your ultimate goal, it seems a valid interm goal to focus first on getting as many kids as possible through HS and 2 yr college&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine,
           I have witnessed the battle of expertise as well. There are &quot;real world experts&quot; who perform relevant tasks on a daily basis. We also must acknowledge that there are self professed alphabet degree &quot;never in the real world&quot;, &quot;experts&quot; who feel slighted and offended that their input is not summarily enacted &quot;post haste&quot;. A little scary when you consider that a parent who is an MBA accountant gets over-ruled by a district honcho who has a doctorate in English, anthropology or art and design.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine,<br />
           I have witnessed the battle of expertise as well. There are &#8220;real world experts&#8221; who perform relevant tasks on a daily basis. We also must acknowledge that there are self professed alphabet degree &#8220;never in the real world&#8221;, &#8220;experts&#8221; who feel slighted and offended that their input is not summarily enacted &#8220;post haste&#8221;. A little scary when you consider that a parent who is an MBA accountant gets over-ruled by a district honcho who has a doctorate in English, anthropology or art and design.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon: I think the a school site council is suppose to pull in community members that have expertise - several are teachers or school personnel, the principal, parents and community members. In my son&#039;s school we had a parent who worked with government data and compared outcomes (this is how I learned that the best birth control is a college educated young person) and we had an accountant from a non-profit. Both gave valuable input. Often the teachers and the principal overrode the data and input to vote for their favorites but parents always wanted to &quot;let the record reflect that the vote held was in direct opposition to the research presented available through ---- (source was then listed). This made school personnel and some parents angry, but it was the truth.

I wonder if community members with specific expertise joined the over site committees in larger numbers if the outcome would be different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon: I think the a school site council is suppose to pull in community members that have expertise &#8211; several are teachers or school personnel, the principal, parents and community members. In my son&#8217;s school we had a parent who worked with government data and compared outcomes (this is how I learned that the best birth control is a college educated young person) and we had an accountant from a non-profit. Both gave valuable input. Often the teachers and the principal overrode the data and input to vote for their favorites but parents always wanted to &#8220;let the record reflect that the vote held was in direct opposition to the research presented available through &#8212;- (source was then listed). This made school personnel and some parents angry, but it was the truth.</p>
<p>I wonder if community members with specific expertise joined the over site committees in larger numbers if the outcome would be different.</p>
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