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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Student Teacher - Are you sure you want to do this for a living??

You reacted to a Caste Brand. The gang tattoo is a major major issue for ghetto children. Yes, it&#039;s presence should be reported to the police. Not only that but such a child would not be permitted into a good school. Such a child is only suitable for a school denominated for it&#039;s Caste. In this case, it&#039;s a clear sign to you that you are working in a gang school. Why would you work in a gang school anyway? Do you understand all that this means?

You should be getting an in service training by the local police in gang issues. If the school doesn&#039;t establish such training each year you and your union should urgently seek such training privately.

You see, screwing around with gangs can get you killed or worse and can accidently have you getting other people killed. When the gang in question is the Mexican NarcoCartels and their affiliates, be aware that their favored method of discipline is not only executions by kidnappings, decapitations and torture. You might go see the movie &quot;Savages&quot; for some in-service training if the school won&#039;t sponsor some. Get it where you can. 

A few points. Rival gangs will attack and kill each other on sight with no words needed. Also the individual members are not free to refuse to participate in the mayhem. The slightest wavering among the troops will result in draconian discipline against the member. And one in always in, you don&#039;t get to quit and keep hanging around. Your pit bull of a 1st grader may seem cute enough now but if he has the tattoo - or brand - or whatever (clothing, haircuts, IPhone wallpaper, whatever) you can safely assume that his &quot;society&quot; are gang. Be VERY careful what you say and do around any of them. 

I wouldn&#039;t even trade in a store or restaurant with such people much less permit any child of mine to attend such a school or work there. Do what you want for yourself, but at least do your homework to be able to see and assess the vipers you are handling.

Now what do you think will happen as the little darlings get older and puberty sets in as 10 or so? Ever see what happens when a Negro child macks on a Norteno Princess? (and remember, the NarcoCartels and 10x more fierce and vicious than the CA grown gangs.

The Black Gangs have their own issues - they aren&#039;t going to have a long life expectancy. They are criminals, but pretty weak compared to the Mexican Gangs (which have discipline where the blacks don&#039;t).

While people have been sent to prison for gang tattooing a child - it is a abuse/crime - open your eyes and think about what you are reacting to. If you 1st grader is in a gang Caste of course he/she will have a collection of gang marks as well as gang speech and other accoutrements of gang society/caste. Are you going to follow the child till it&#039;s 18 and tell them (and their society) no,no,no?? They are Gang, they are NOT going to not be gang. To do so would mean rejection of their society/Caste. They are proud of the tattoo, red belt, IPhone wallpaper, nail polish or whatever else they may be sporting and the may have obtained it in a ritual reminiscent of a Muslim Circumcision. Are you going to attack the Muslim Circumcisions also? 

There is a limit of what these public schools will even allow you to get into - Political Correctness. That is why your superior is trying to warn you to stay the hell out of it. 

Learn this well, You screw with the gangs and somebody is going to get hurt real fast. And when that happens don&#039;t think you will get one drop of sympathy from OUSD. Or any other such school district. You may not have got the Email buy they very much are not in business to change the society of the children. they believe they are in business to live with it. Ritual Circumcisions and all.

The Child Abuse reporting issue is not a easy to get your mind around as people think at first blush.

My advice is to talk to the older teachers and talk to your union about what is prudent, what is safe, and which hill you want to die on or to get somebody else killed on. Oh yes, and to get legal advice on the law - which as you will find is so pliable that it tends to mean whatever people want it to this year.

Back to your question - if you are reporting gang anything do it anonomously if at all possible and tell no one what you have done. Beyond that, there is little to be gained in sticking around fighting these gangs. You don&#039;t have the insurance policies and you sure don&#039;t any sanction to do so from your employer. They real question is just what are you doing there and how do you expect your wonderful career in such schools to end?

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student Teacher &#8211; Are you sure you want to do this for a living??</p>
<p>You reacted to a Caste Brand. The gang tattoo is a major major issue for ghetto children. Yes, it&#8217;s presence should be reported to the police. Not only that but such a child would not be permitted into a good school. Such a child is only suitable for a school denominated for it&#8217;s Caste. In this case, it&#8217;s a clear sign to you that you are working in a gang school. Why would you work in a gang school anyway? Do you understand all that this means?</p>
<p>You should be getting an in service training by the local police in gang issues. If the school doesn&#8217;t establish such training each year you and your union should urgently seek such training privately.</p>
<p>You see, screwing around with gangs can get you killed or worse and can accidently have you getting other people killed. When the gang in question is the Mexican NarcoCartels and their affiliates, be aware that their favored method of discipline is not only executions by kidnappings, decapitations and torture. You might go see the movie &#8220;Savages&#8221; for some in-service training if the school won&#8217;t sponsor some. Get it where you can. </p>
<p>A few points. Rival gangs will attack and kill each other on sight with no words needed. Also the individual members are not free to refuse to participate in the mayhem. The slightest wavering among the troops will result in draconian discipline against the member. And one in always in, you don&#8217;t get to quit and keep hanging around. Your pit bull of a 1st grader may seem cute enough now but if he has the tattoo &#8211; or brand &#8211; or whatever (clothing, haircuts, IPhone wallpaper, whatever) you can safely assume that his &#8220;society&#8221; are gang. Be VERY careful what you say and do around any of them. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even trade in a store or restaurant with such people much less permit any child of mine to attend such a school or work there. Do what you want for yourself, but at least do your homework to be able to see and assess the vipers you are handling.</p>
<p>Now what do you think will happen as the little darlings get older and puberty sets in as 10 or so? Ever see what happens when a Negro child macks on a Norteno Princess? (and remember, the NarcoCartels and 10x more fierce and vicious than the CA grown gangs.</p>
<p>The Black Gangs have their own issues &#8211; they aren&#8217;t going to have a long life expectancy. They are criminals, but pretty weak compared to the Mexican Gangs (which have discipline where the blacks don&#8217;t).</p>
<p>While people have been sent to prison for gang tattooing a child &#8211; it is a abuse/crime &#8211; open your eyes and think about what you are reacting to. If you 1st grader is in a gang Caste of course he/she will have a collection of gang marks as well as gang speech and other accoutrements of gang society/caste. Are you going to follow the child till it&#8217;s 18 and tell them (and their society) no,no,no?? They are Gang, they are NOT going to not be gang. To do so would mean rejection of their society/Caste. They are proud of the tattoo, red belt, IPhone wallpaper, nail polish or whatever else they may be sporting and the may have obtained it in a ritual reminiscent of a Muslim Circumcision. Are you going to attack the Muslim Circumcisions also? </p>
<p>There is a limit of what these public schools will even allow you to get into &#8211; Political Correctness. That is why your superior is trying to warn you to stay the hell out of it. </p>
<p>Learn this well, You screw with the gangs and somebody is going to get hurt real fast. And when that happens don&#8217;t think you will get one drop of sympathy from OUSD. Or any other such school district. You may not have got the Email buy they very much are not in business to change the society of the children. they believe they are in business to live with it. Ritual Circumcisions and all.</p>
<p>The Child Abuse reporting issue is not a easy to get your mind around as people think at first blush.</p>
<p>My advice is to talk to the older teachers and talk to your union about what is prudent, what is safe, and which hill you want to die on or to get somebody else killed on. Oh yes, and to get legal advice on the law &#8211; which as you will find is so pliable that it tends to mean whatever people want it to this year.</p>
<p>Back to your question &#8211; if you are reporting gang anything do it anonomously if at all possible and tell no one what you have done. Beyond that, there is little to be gained in sticking around fighting these gangs. You don&#8217;t have the insurance policies and you sure don&#8217;t any sanction to do so from your employer. They real question is just what are you doing there and how do you expect your wonderful career in such schools to end?</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Student Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Student Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset: I worked in a &quot;slope&quot; school in Oakland in which a first grade student had a permanent tatoo that I later found out was a gang symbol on his neck. The principal stated that it was not a CPS issue because the child may have requested or agreed to it and it had healed with no redness (tatoo appeared after the Thanksgiving break).

I did not report at the time. However, after talking to colleagues outside OUSD about the tattoo and the surrounding discussion I reported anonomously. And to Lisa who has taught 30 years in Oakland - would you report a tatoo on a first grade student? 

Ms. Spearman, I respect the work you do, however, OUSD does not protect its students and does not report as other districts would report. Two specific cases are the tatoo on a first grade student and my neighbor who sent her child to live out of state after being sexually molested by other students in the stairwell at Edna Brewer two years ago. She was a mainstreamed student on an IEP that had not been updated in over three years. The school tried to say that the update needed to be done first to see if she should have been in the stairwell to begin with. So, no, we should not report to the School Police, our principal or any other school personnel. We should follow the manditory reporting to CPS. With a good relationship with the principal, notification can follow for information purposes only. If we really, really want to help these children out of potentially live-altering situations we trust the professionals who are working on behalf of children rather than on behalf of the school district.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset: I worked in a &#8220;slope&#8221; school in Oakland in which a first grade student had a permanent tatoo that I later found out was a gang symbol on his neck. The principal stated that it was not a CPS issue because the child may have requested or agreed to it and it had healed with no redness (tatoo appeared after the Thanksgiving break).</p>
<p>I did not report at the time. However, after talking to colleagues outside OUSD about the tattoo and the surrounding discussion I reported anonomously. And to Lisa who has taught 30 years in Oakland &#8211; would you report a tatoo on a first grade student? </p>
<p>Ms. Spearman, I respect the work you do, however, OUSD does not protect its students and does not report as other districts would report. Two specific cases are the tatoo on a first grade student and my neighbor who sent her child to live out of state after being sexually molested by other students in the stairwell at Edna Brewer two years ago. She was a mainstreamed student on an IEP that had not been updated in over three years. The school tried to say that the update needed to be done first to see if she should have been in the stairwell to begin with. So, no, we should not report to the School Police, our principal or any other school personnel. We should follow the manditory reporting to CPS. With a good relationship with the principal, notification can follow for information purposes only. If we really, really want to help these children out of potentially live-altering situations we trust the professionals who are working on behalf of children rather than on behalf of the school district.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#40 wrote: &lt;I&gt; took my child out of that OPS, but now I’m sceptical of this one.&lt;/I&gt;

That&#039;s just moving to another deck chair.

To have *any* impact you must remove your child *completely* from OUSD. Lower student census equates to less state funding.

Only then district will the district have an incentive to reduce its negatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 wrote: <i> took my child out of that OPS, but now I’m sceptical of this one.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s just moving to another deck chair.</p>
<p>To have *any* impact you must remove your child *completely* from OUSD. Lower student census equates to less state funding.</p>
<p>Only then district will the district have an incentive to reduce its negatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would really be useful to see what stats there might be on OUSD Child Abuse reports.

Is the bulk of the reports that of traumatic injury - or is it child sex with adults - or neglect/unfit home?
 I&#039;d imagine the ratios are different depending on demographics. 

I wonder if the OUSD staff report much of the rotted teeth cases, or other medical neglect (especially on the older teens). What about the tattoos, brands, possible self inflicted injuries?

And when reports are done are they fruitless? Is there any feedback by any agency to the reporters?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would really be useful to see what stats there might be on OUSD Child Abuse reports.</p>
<p>Is the bulk of the reports that of traumatic injury &#8211; or is it child sex with adults &#8211; or neglect/unfit home?<br />
 I&#8217;d imagine the ratios are different depending on demographics. </p>
<p>I wonder if the OUSD staff report much of the rotted teeth cases, or other medical neglect (especially on the older teens). What about the tattoos, brands, possible self inflicted injuries?</p>
<p>And when reports are done are they fruitless? Is there any feedback by any agency to the reporters?</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you both for your response.  Case pending.  I took my child out of that OPS, but now I&#039;m sceptical of this one.  No more school bus, I drive my child everyday.  I just wish this kind of behavior would end.  What can we do as parents to put a stop to this behavior?  First...Communicate. Speak up if you know something.  I&#039;m still waiting to hear back from OPD.  We will see what happens next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for your response.  Case pending.  I took my child out of that OPS, but now I&#8217;m sceptical of this one.  No more school bus, I drive my child everyday.  I just wish this kind of behavior would end.  What can we do as parents to put a stop to this behavior?  First&#8230;Communicate. Speak up if you know something.  I&#8217;m still waiting to hear back from OPD.  We will see what happens next.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Board member Spearman:

I posted the following and it clearly says DO NOT report to a District Police Department if you are a mandated reporter.  in Alamedia County mandated reporters are suppose to report to CPS.

Can you reference a District policy that contradicts the information I posted on reporting to CPS suspected child abuse?

The report must be made to a
 county welfare department or
 probation department (if designated
 by the county to receive mandated
 reports) or a police or sheriff’s
 department, not including a school
 district police or security department.
 (P.C. 11165.9)

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Board member Spearman:</p>
<p>I posted the following and it clearly says DO NOT report to a District Police Department if you are a mandated reporter.  in Alamedia County mandated reporters are suppose to report to CPS.</p>
<p>Can you reference a District policy that contradicts the information I posted on reporting to CPS suspected child abuse?</p>
<p>The report must be made to a<br />
 county welfare department or<br />
 probation department (if designated<br />
 by the county to receive mandated<br />
 reports) or a police or sheriff’s<br />
 department, not including a school<br />
 district police or security department.<br />
 (P.C. 11165.9)</p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Spearman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Spearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 23:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#33 Call the Oakland Unified School Police, the person incharge is Cheif Williams, also call OUSD legal services.  I would also contact your School Board Member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#33 Call the Oakland Unified School Police, the person incharge is Cheif Williams, also call OUSD legal services.  I would also contact your School Board Member.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in court once for a moment when a witness on the stand swore up and down he was raped in that courthouse by a judge - in judges&#039; chambers. The interesting point was he was pretty lucid up to that statement other than his fantasies about his biography which those who&#039;d worked with him actually knew the truth about. Those listening to him talk were believing all the BS he was saying - they didn&#039;t know better - until he got to that nugget about getting raped. It was a fixed delusion he&#039;d told others before. As one psych expert testified about it - that he (expert) knew that was a lie - He knew that people in custody are simply never allowed to go into chambers unescorted by bailiffs no matter what a judge might want. 

The same witness also claimed he was native American which was a surprise to his mother. There is no such family lineage.

Actually - as the events in Colorado seem to show  - we have a lot of very ill people walking around, some of which function under the radar for quite awhile. I deal with them a lot over the years.

I&#039;m getting off the point about your pre-schooler perhaps. My point is that could it be possible the investigation is over, and it was decided (by police &amp; by school) that child was delusional, incorrect or lying?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in court once for a moment when a witness on the stand swore up and down he was raped in that courthouse by a judge &#8211; in judges&#8217; chambers. The interesting point was he was pretty lucid up to that statement other than his fantasies about his biography which those who&#8217;d worked with him actually knew the truth about. Those listening to him talk were believing all the BS he was saying &#8211; they didn&#8217;t know better &#8211; until he got to that nugget about getting raped. It was a fixed delusion he&#8217;d told others before. As one psych expert testified about it &#8211; that he (expert) knew that was a lie &#8211; He knew that people in custody are simply never allowed to go into chambers unescorted by bailiffs no matter what a judge might want. </p>
<p>The same witness also claimed he was native American which was a surprise to his mother. There is no such family lineage.</p>
<p>Actually &#8211; as the events in Colorado seem to show  &#8211; we have a lot of very ill people walking around, some of which function under the radar for quite awhile. I deal with them a lot over the years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting off the point about your pre-schooler perhaps. My point is that could it be possible the investigation is over, and it was decided (by police &amp; by school) that child was delusional, incorrect or lying?</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brenda, is it possible the claim of sex assault from by a teacher has no credibility?

I have seen plenty of sex assault claims that were pure garbage. Even if they were true they were not provable at all. The complaining witness had no credibility and there was no supporting evidence at all. 

And remember - people lie - a lot, nowadays. And they exaggerate. And they go about in public and private drunk and high - so you can&#039;t believe anything they say. Even worse, some of the people I&#039;m thinking about have such a history of lying (and admitting lying) about this sort of thing that you can&#039;t get anywhere on their later stories even if they may have a point for once.  Boy who cried wolf, and all..

So I know nothing about your pre-school child - but - is it possible the investigation failed to give credence to the complaint?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda, is it possible the claim of sex assault from by a teacher has no credibility?</p>
<p>I have seen plenty of sex assault claims that were pure garbage. Even if they were true they were not provable at all. The complaining witness had no credibility and there was no supporting evidence at all. </p>
<p>And remember &#8211; people lie &#8211; a lot, nowadays. And they exaggerate. And they go about in public and private drunk and high &#8211; so you can&#8217;t believe anything they say. Even worse, some of the people I&#8217;m thinking about have such a history of lying (and admitting lying) about this sort of thing that you can&#8217;t get anywhere on their later stories even if they may have a point for once.  Boy who cried wolf, and all..</p>
<p>So I know nothing about your pre-school child &#8211; but &#8211; is it possible the investigation failed to give credence to the complaint?</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Call the police, but before you do that, pull your kid out of school.

A young, special-ed kid is worth a small fortune in state funding (over the decade+ span of his enrollment) to the district. The schools won&#039;t care about him until his state funding gets cut off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call the police, but before you do that, pull your kid out of school.</p>
<p>A young, special-ed kid is worth a small fortune in state funding (over the decade+ span of his enrollment) to the district. The schools won&#8217;t care about him until his state funding gets cut off.</p>
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