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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Southern Violence:

http://southernpartisan.com/2012/08/03/why-is-the-south-so-deadly/

I just came across an interesting article as part of research I&#039;m doing related to a situation where black families at a birthday party for children got into a knock down fight/gun battle over something normal people can&#039;t fathom (some kind of disrespect). No one was hit by the bullets, just the sheet rock. The penalty for all this (as charged in court) can be life in prison (effectively) without parole for a defendant who has no criminal history. It will be interesting to see how things resolve. Should there be a &quot;southern&quot; exception to the CA Penal Code? Those gun enhancements are really serious. 

The case could have easily involved Southern Whites but they are rather in short supply - I think they&#039;ve relocated to Texas for jobs.

One of the things OUSD teachers have with the benefits of diversity is a black student population that are products of the Black Migration from WWI through roughly 1970. I think the peak years were just after WWII. Although the students may have been born in CA - as was I - we still have behaviors handed down from our grandparents from the South. My late father took his late Dad&#039;s handgun away from him at 80 because Granddad started answering the door with it (in Oakland) and was really short tempered. Grandad mellowed considerably in his old age, he was from TN.

From the article: &quot;In the South, the incidence of black-on-black violence outpaces not only the rest of America (eclipsing Northern inner-city and West Coast gang violence) but also the rest of the developed world.&quot;

The article tries to explain the roots of the behavior. I prefer David Chappelle&#039;s explanations. It&#039;s all about keeping it real.

One more explanation of the need for corporal punishment in Black Schools. Or at a bare minimum fast, serious and severe discipline - more so than might be needed in schools without such students.

The old school black teachers from the first half of the 20th Century were the way they were because they were a part of this southern history - or if not they better understood how to reach out and touch southern descended students. 

This isn&#039;t strictly related to this thread on the footballers except - The white liberals who want to cram algebra and literature down their throats don&#039;t understand them or their culture and believe they can order them around like slaves - dictating their education and possibly their occupations. Well it&#039;s not going to happen. The footballers and their families will make their own decisions about what they want to do with their educations and careers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern Violence:</p>
<p><a href="http://southernpartisan.com/2012/08/03/why-is-the-south-so-deadly/" rel="nofollow">http://southernpartisan.com/2012/08/03/why-is-the-south-so-deadly/</a></p>
<p>I just came across an interesting article as part of research I&#8217;m doing related to a situation where black families at a birthday party for children got into a knock down fight/gun battle over something normal people can&#8217;t fathom (some kind of disrespect). No one was hit by the bullets, just the sheet rock. The penalty for all this (as charged in court) can be life in prison (effectively) without parole for a defendant who has no criminal history. It will be interesting to see how things resolve. Should there be a &#8220;southern&#8221; exception to the CA Penal Code? Those gun enhancements are really serious. </p>
<p>The case could have easily involved Southern Whites but they are rather in short supply &#8211; I think they&#8217;ve relocated to Texas for jobs.</p>
<p>One of the things OUSD teachers have with the benefits of diversity is a black student population that are products of the Black Migration from WWI through roughly 1970. I think the peak years were just after WWII. Although the students may have been born in CA &#8211; as was I &#8211; we still have behaviors handed down from our grandparents from the South. My late father took his late Dad&#8217;s handgun away from him at 80 because Granddad started answering the door with it (in Oakland) and was really short tempered. Grandad mellowed considerably in his old age, he was from TN.</p>
<p>From the article: &#8220;In the South, the incidence of black-on-black violence outpaces not only the rest of America (eclipsing Northern inner-city and West Coast gang violence) but also the rest of the developed world.&#8221;</p>
<p>The article tries to explain the roots of the behavior. I prefer David Chappelle&#8217;s explanations. It&#8217;s all about keeping it real.</p>
<p>One more explanation of the need for corporal punishment in Black Schools. Or at a bare minimum fast, serious and severe discipline &#8211; more so than might be needed in schools without such students.</p>
<p>The old school black teachers from the first half of the 20th Century were the way they were because they were a part of this southern history &#8211; or if not they better understood how to reach out and touch southern descended students. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t strictly related to this thread on the footballers except &#8211; The white liberals who want to cram algebra and literature down their throats don&#8217;t understand them or their culture and believe they can order them around like slaves &#8211; dictating their education and possibly their occupations. Well it&#8217;s not going to happen. The footballers and their families will make their own decisions about what they want to do with their educations and careers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex oakland staff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex oakland staff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: #52 Seenitbefore  - I believed the way you did...until I got into education and found out that you need a lot of arrows in your quiver. Every kid is different and different things motivate different students. There is a reason football and other sports are universal in secondary education - they do an great job of keeping athletically inclined students engaged in school. Sports also help build a well functioning community on campus by providing fun community event that does not just involve the athletes, but cheer squads, dance teams, marching bands, and parent volunteers. Of course, there will always be problems with priorities and balance, which can get out of whack, but it would be counterproductive to use reparable defects as an excuse to completely throw out secondary athletic programs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #52 Seenitbefore  &#8211; I believed the way you did&#8230;until I got into education and found out that you need a lot of arrows in your quiver. Every kid is different and different things motivate different students. There is a reason football and other sports are universal in secondary education &#8211; they do an great job of keeping athletically inclined students engaged in school. Sports also help build a well functioning community on campus by providing fun community event that does not just involve the athletes, but cheer squads, dance teams, marching bands, and parent volunteers. Of course, there will always be problems with priorities and balance, which can get out of whack, but it would be counterproductive to use reparable defects as an excuse to completely throw out secondary athletic programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Seenitbefore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seenitbefore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When our kids can understand that football....and the opportunity to be financially successful....is not the ONLY thing that life is about... Then maybe there will be value in funding competitive sports programs at schools. But NEVER at the expense of education and learning how to be a contributing member in the progress of planet earth.  This guy gets it:  http://sports.yahoo.com/video/lamarr-woodley-hometown-hero-211408701.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When our kids can understand that football&#8230;.and the opportunity to be financially successful&#8230;.is not the ONLY thing that life is about&#8230; Then maybe there will be value in funding competitive sports programs at schools. But NEVER at the expense of education and learning how to be a contributing member in the progress of planet earth.  This guy gets it:  <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/video/lamarr-woodley-hometown-hero-211408701.html" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/video/lamarr-woodley-hometown-hero-211408701.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL.  So are you a Red Diaper Baby??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  So are you a Red Diaper Baby??</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dad is from Kenya and my mom spent much time in Hawaii.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad is from Kenya and my mom spent much time in Hawaii.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nontclair:  Can you tell us something of yourself so we can understand where (what experience and training) your point of view comes from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nontclair:  Can you tell us something of yourself so we can understand where (what experience and training) your point of view comes from?</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa Capuano Oler: Are you contending that the OUSD teachers are not even teaching the chillun? Exactly what is it that does go on in class?

You can teach all you want.  A student can only learn a given subject if he or she has the aptitude to do so. 

My calculus instructor tried - I had no aptitude for that subject. I sat in class and had the same instruction as all the others sitting around me. I sure don&#039;t blame the hardworking instructor for my dropping that class.  My interests and skills were elsewhere.

Oakland Resident:  Sorry, I know this is difficult for you. If you think this process of discourse is bullying you haven&#039;t been out in discourse much.  This is not bullying and this is not nearly as rough as an Oakland City Council meeting - or many other such public hearings.  Try a hotly debated small claims trial or a landlord/tenant case.

I have heard that in public high schools anyone who tried to state and defend an unpopular view is cursed, shouted down and given bad grades by the instructor for being politically incorrect.  Or is that Jr. College?  Or is that at UC?  All of the above?

You protest too much.  You cannot stay above water in a debate so you complain your feelings are hurt and retire - since there is no way of silencing the opposition with threats of violence and harsh looks. 

It won&#039;t work with me and it won&#039;t work with anybody else who is comfortable in public discourse and with their own judgment and experiences. Try it on children. This is the adult table.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Capuano Oler: Are you contending that the OUSD teachers are not even teaching the chillun? Exactly what is it that does go on in class?</p>
<p>You can teach all you want.  A student can only learn a given subject if he or she has the aptitude to do so. </p>
<p>My calculus instructor tried &#8211; I had no aptitude for that subject. I sat in class and had the same instruction as all the others sitting around me. I sure don&#8217;t blame the hardworking instructor for my dropping that class.  My interests and skills were elsewhere.</p>
<p>Oakland Resident:  Sorry, I know this is difficult for you. If you think this process of discourse is bullying you haven&#8217;t been out in discourse much.  This is not bullying and this is not nearly as rough as an Oakland City Council meeting &#8211; or many other such public hearings.  Try a hotly debated small claims trial or a landlord/tenant case.</p>
<p>I have heard that in public high schools anyone who tried to state and defend an unpopular view is cursed, shouted down and given bad grades by the instructor for being politically incorrect.  Or is that Jr. College?  Or is that at UC?  All of the above?</p>
<p>You protest too much.  You cannot stay above water in a debate so you complain your feelings are hurt and retire &#8211; since there is no way of silencing the opposition with threats of violence and harsh looks. </p>
<p>It won&#8217;t work with me and it won&#8217;t work with anybody else who is comfortable in public discourse and with their own judgment and experiences. Try it on children. This is the adult table.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#36 wrote: &lt;I&gt;collaboration with coaches, parents, administrators, and teachers. all adults must be on the same page and hold to the policies and eligibility regs.&lt;/I&gt;

No. NO. &lt;B&gt;NO&lt;/B&gt;.

The policies and regs are the agar upon which the bacteria of public education feeds. We don&#039;t want the consistent application of pols/regs but rather, the total &lt;B&gt;elimination&lt;/B&gt; of them.

Who exactly are these Jew musicians who dropout early? I might be able to think of one &quot;celebrity&quot; example: Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr). If I *really* try, perhaps several more of lesser fame.

I guessed Simon &amp; Garfunkle, but wiki reports they dropped out of *college*. As did Bob Dylan (Zimmerman).

There are a bunch of Jewish classical/Broadway musical composers and performers who I can think of, but I&#039;m confident none of them dropped out before they had reached a level which would have qualified them for a conservatory.

Perhaps you mean Stevie Wonderberg?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36 wrote: <i>collaboration with coaches, parents, administrators, and teachers. all adults must be on the same page and hold to the policies and eligibility regs.</i></p>
<p>No. NO. <b>NO</b>.</p>
<p>The policies and regs are the agar upon which the bacteria of public education feeds. We don&#8217;t want the consistent application of pols/regs but rather, the total <b>elimination</b> of them.</p>
<p>Who exactly are these Jew musicians who dropout early? I might be able to think of one &#8220;celebrity&#8221; example: Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr). If I *really* try, perhaps several more of lesser fame.</p>
<p>I guessed Simon &amp; Garfunkle, but wiki reports they dropped out of *college*. As did Bob Dylan (Zimmerman).</p>
<p>There are a bunch of Jewish classical/Broadway musical composers and performers who I can think of, but I&#8217;m confident none of them dropped out before they had reached a level which would have qualified them for a conservatory.</p>
<p>Perhaps you mean Stevie Wonderberg?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Capuano Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Capuano Oler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 05:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so much easier to lower academic standards than to teach children. Is this the African American Male Achievement the district wants to see? I want to scream.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so much easier to lower academic standards than to teach children. Is this the African American Male Achievement the district wants to see? I want to scream.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nexset- I am far from a King. I have been reading this blog for numerous years and I realize your method of operation is to bully, label, belittle, stereotype and generalize folks. 

The energy and time that you put into this blog would be better spent volunteering at a school. You would have a greater impact in childrens lives and the many issues that exist in our public schools. Our children need folks to invest in their lives, especially those who don&#039;t have the family support system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nexset- I am far from a King. I have been reading this blog for numerous years and I realize your method of operation is to bully, label, belittle, stereotype and generalize folks. </p>
<p>The energy and time that you put into this blog would be better spent volunteering at a school. You would have a greater impact in childrens lives and the many issues that exist in our public schools. Our children need folks to invest in their lives, especially those who don&#8217;t have the family support system.</p>
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