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	<title>Comments on: In Oakland, tumult in special education leads teachers to organize</title>
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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: Gee yu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gee yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OEA Special Education Caucus is not new it was formed in the early 2000&#039;s by four oea members.  Trish helped it out alot now that she is back... it has been brought into the spotlight.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OEA Special Education Caucus is not new it was formed in the early 2000&#8242;s by four oea members.  Trish helped it out alot now that she is back&#8230; it has been brought into the spotlight&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Yazstremski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yazstremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nontcair...can we have your word on that...give up by Election Day...I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nontcair&#8230;can we have your word on that&#8230;give up by Election Day&#8230;I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I can&#039;t accomplish it by Election Day, I&#039;ll give up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can&#8217;t accomplish it by Election Day, I&#8217;ll give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the most self-described progressive part of the country? Wish it was remotely interesting to watch a person bang their head against the wall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the most self-described progressive part of the country? Wish it was remotely interesting to watch a person bang their head against the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true. This blog has far too little exposure to bring amount global anarchy.

I&#039;m just going to have be content with stopping socialism here in Alameda County.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true. This blog has far too little exposure to bring amount global anarchy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to have be content with stopping socialism here in Alameda County.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#18 wrote: &lt;I&gt;there[&#039;s] probably far too many kids who should not be in spec ed&lt;/I&gt;

I already pointed that out in #11.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 wrote: <i>there['s] probably far too many kids who should not be in spec ed</i></p>
<p>I already pointed that out in #11.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Non-because you&#039;re agenda is anarchy. You quite clearly believe that you should never have to pay a single dime for the good of all or anyone. Your belief is not the majority, the vast majority. You are entitled to your beliefs but you should really seek an alternative lifestyle as it&#039;s impossible for you to have much more than a mosquito effect by posting on an education blog in Oakland when what you really want is an enormous societal, world-wide change. It&#039;s not going to happen and by most counts, people are moving toward community not away from it.

An island! Can you afford your own private island?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-because you&#8217;re agenda is anarchy. You quite clearly believe that you should never have to pay a single dime for the good of all or anyone. Your belief is not the majority, the vast majority. You are entitled to your beliefs but you should really seek an alternative lifestyle as it&#8217;s impossible for you to have much more than a mosquito effect by posting on an education blog in Oakland when what you really want is an enormous societal, world-wide change. It&#8217;s not going to happen and by most counts, people are moving toward community not away from it.</p>
<p>An island! Can you afford your own private island?</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Non,
     
http://ousd.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1213944&amp;GUID=67E35455-E2A7-495A-A2F8-B4EF581C53E7&amp;Options=&amp;Search=

    If you follow this link and open up the .ppt presentation you will see see 13 eligibility categories(11 of which are fairly specific and 2 which are overly broad and possibly abused). These two categories are a major reason for the surge in spec ed placements.

http://educationnext.org/debunking-a-special-education-myth/

My point is that these people are not overpaid, but that there a probably far too many kids who should not be in spec ed(if this were to be corrected there would be less personnel needed and more money available).

In my opinion I think the district admin people are in over their head and clueless when it comes to special education and all the issues involved with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non,</p>
<p><a href="http://ousd.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1213944&#038;GUID=67E35455-E2A7-495A-A2F8-B4EF581C53E7&#038;Options=&#038;Search=" rel="nofollow">http://ousd.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=1213944&#038;GUID=67E35455-E2A7-495A-A2F8-B4EF581C53E7&#038;Options=&#038;Search=</a></p>
<p>    If you follow this link and open up the .ppt presentation you will see see 13 eligibility categories(11 of which are fairly specific and 2 which are overly broad and possibly abused). These two categories are a major reason for the surge in spec ed placements.</p>
<p><a href="http://educationnext.org/debunking-a-special-education-myth/" rel="nofollow">http://educationnext.org/debunking-a-special-education-myth/</a></p>
<p>My point is that these people are not overpaid, but that there a probably far too many kids who should not be in spec ed(if this were to be corrected there would be less personnel needed and more money available).</p>
<p>In my opinion I think the district admin people are in over their head and clueless when it comes to special education and all the issues involved with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nontcair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nontcair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One reason why special ed could be described as &quot;under-staffed&quot; is because so many OUSD employees are OVER-paid, which leaves less money on the table to staff special ed classrooms.

I&#039;ve never been paid to work with special ed kids.

Many on this board have an agenda. Why is it that the only one which upsets them is *mine*?

#13&#039;s bombast just shows you why public education is such a disaster. You have all these college educated &quot;experts&quot; who run the institution talking jargon to one another, and using the kids as guinea pigs and the taxpayers as cash cows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason why special ed could be described as &#8220;under-staffed&#8221; is because so many OUSD employees are OVER-paid, which leaves less money on the table to staff special ed classrooms.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been paid to work with special ed kids.</p>
<p>Many on this board have an agenda. Why is it that the only one which upsets them is *mine*?</p>
<p>#13&#8242;s bombast just shows you why public education is such a disaster. You have all these college educated &#8220;experts&#8221; who run the institution talking jargon to one another, and using the kids as guinea pigs and the taxpayers as cash cows.</p>
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		<title>By: ProudOaklandTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProudOaklandTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 06:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First to Katy Murphy, thank you for highlighting the work our caucus is doing on behalf of our students through the OEA. 

Second to the parent of a young person with Autism, thank you for supporting the work that teachers do to support students with disabilities and recognize that we too must have time to eat, sleep and raise our own families. Congratulations on your son&#039;s success in college. 

Third to Nontcair I want to start by quoting your comment, 
&quot;One of the more openly unbridled demands for protectionism that you’ll see.

(1) class size limits: more teaching positions
(2) caseload limits: fewer working hours
(3) limited school assignments: territorial monopolies&quot;
I wonder if you have ever worked as a special education teacher in OUSD, I highly doubt it. I have and I think it would blow your mind to do my job for just one day. If I am being honest, until I spent my summer working in a class for students with severe autism I didn&#039;t truly understand the need for so many adults in one class. But after just four short weeks I understood that every adult was very much needed and every adult worked hard all day. Yes it costs more to educate students with exceptional needs, but that doesn&#039;t mean we dont do it, Parents and teachers have already had that fight and IDEA was passed as a result. 
Now, don&#039;t get me wrong. I LOVE my job. I get to be a part of learning for students who it doesn&#039;t come to easily. I get to help transform my students in wonderful, independent and successful young adults. But, I also know that at my current caseload limit which is 25% higher than any other nearby district I cannot give them all that they deserve and need, there is simply not enough of me to go around, let alone enough hours in the day. It might mean more teaching positions but it will also mean that my students have the best shot at an engaging and meaningful education. 
I support the work of the CAC and the OEA Special Education Caucus because they are committed to the education of all children, no matter the cost. I believe that the Special Ed caucus can engage with parents, students and Programs for Exceptional Children in ways that improve the experience of students with special needs in Oakland Unified.
I am also hopeful that our new director will forge a new path, one in which PEC connects with, listens to and engages all teachers. She should start with introducing herself and visitng some classrooms, it might make her claims of &quot;engagement strategies&quot; seem a little more realistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First to Katy Murphy, thank you for highlighting the work our caucus is doing on behalf of our students through the OEA. </p>
<p>Second to the parent of a young person with Autism, thank you for supporting the work that teachers do to support students with disabilities and recognize that we too must have time to eat, sleep and raise our own families. Congratulations on your son&#8217;s success in college. </p>
<p>Third to Nontcair I want to start by quoting your comment,<br />
&#8220;One of the more openly unbridled demands for protectionism that you’ll see.</p>
<p>(1) class size limits: more teaching positions<br />
(2) caseload limits: fewer working hours<br />
(3) limited school assignments: territorial monopolies&#8221;<br />
I wonder if you have ever worked as a special education teacher in OUSD, I highly doubt it. I have and I think it would blow your mind to do my job for just one day. If I am being honest, until I spent my summer working in a class for students with severe autism I didn&#8217;t truly understand the need for so many adults in one class. But after just four short weeks I understood that every adult was very much needed and every adult worked hard all day. Yes it costs more to educate students with exceptional needs, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we dont do it, Parents and teachers have already had that fight and IDEA was passed as a result.<br />
Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong. I LOVE my job. I get to be a part of learning for students who it doesn&#8217;t come to easily. I get to help transform my students in wonderful, independent and successful young adults. But, I also know that at my current caseload limit which is 25% higher than any other nearby district I cannot give them all that they deserve and need, there is simply not enough of me to go around, let alone enough hours in the day. It might mean more teaching positions but it will also mean that my students have the best shot at an engaging and meaningful education.<br />
I support the work of the CAC and the OEA Special Education Caucus because they are committed to the education of all children, no matter the cost. I believe that the Special Ed caucus can engage with parents, students and Programs for Exceptional Children in ways that improve the experience of students with special needs in Oakland Unified.<br />
I am also hopeful that our new director will forge a new path, one in which PEC connects with, listens to and engages all teachers. She should start with introducing herself and visitng some classrooms, it might make her claims of &#8220;engagement strategies&#8221; seem a little more realistic.</p>
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