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	<title>Comments on: Lazear Elementary, omitted from another Oakland school closure analysis</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.R.

I don&#039;t dsiagre with anything you have written. I think its an approach everone can get behind, even Nontcair. In entry 23 of the comments to the article: &quot;Weinberg:  Rules requiring struggling schools to replace half their teachers are misguided&quot; writes-

&quot;The role of public education is to teach basic skills to bona fide resident poor kids who actually *want* to learn them. Of course that’s a role I still OPPOSE but at least I could get myself to look the other way.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.R.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dsiagre with anything you have written. I think its an approach everone can get behind, even Nontcair. In entry 23 of the comments to the article: &#8220;Weinberg:  Rules requiring struggling schools to replace half their teachers are misguided&#8221; writes-</p>
<p>&#8220;The role of public education is to teach basic skills to bona fide resident poor kids who actually *want* to learn them. Of course that’s a role I still OPPOSE but at least I could get myself to look the other way.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie,
         Very common sense approach, and most likely very effective as well. I think focusing our efforts on the young elementary students, coupled with mastery of the basics(along with no more social promotion)would be a leap forward. We could then slowly intensify rigor as they go up in grade. We need to nurture similar ability classrooms, and putting the teachers where their individual talents can do the most good instead of strict seniority choice of placement. Principals should be hired/fired on merit(ability to lead,managerial ability etc)not just time served. This current education system needs a good cleaning(at the very least). We need to clear away administrative redundancy and waste immediately(so as to build a rainy day fund or funds for classroom use).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,<br />
         Very common sense approach, and most likely very effective as well. I think focusing our efforts on the young elementary students, coupled with mastery of the basics(along with no more social promotion)would be a leap forward. We could then slowly intensify rigor as they go up in grade. We need to nurture similar ability classrooms, and putting the teachers where their individual talents can do the most good instead of strict seniority choice of placement. Principals should be hired/fired on merit(ability to lead,managerial ability etc)not just time served. This current education system needs a good cleaning(at the very least). We need to clear away administrative redundancy and waste immediately(so as to build a rainy day fund or funds for classroom use).</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Charlie! People have complained about my persistence for years (starting with my kindergarten teacher), but I had never thought to describe my reporting as &quot;calm.&quot; I&#039;ll take it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Charlie! People have complained about my persistence for years (starting with my kindergarten teacher), but I had never thought to describe my reporting as &#8220;calm.&#8221; I&#8217;ll take it!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.R.

I agree, the main cause of high drop-out rate, poverty and prison are external problems.  Poverty is neither the cause nor an excuse.  And I agree the issue begins with irresponsible people having children when they, themselves, cannot function in the real world.

So, given all of that is there a solution?  I think there is.  I do not believe the solution is to work with the adults.  I’ve tried it, too much work, too little result, virtually no permanent result.  I have worked with High Schoolers, if their attitude is right and their parents are together enough to see the value of it, they can be put on the right track.  Middle Schoolers are the same as High Schoolers, but more of them have the right attitude or can be taught to have the right attitude.  Still, for those who already have an unchangeable wrong attitude in Middle School, they will drop-out, get involved in crime or irresponsibly have children.

I believe the solution is at the Kindergarten, first and second grade level.  I’ve worked with ‘crack babies’, ‘the learning disabled’, and seven year olds who already cuss like a sailor.  I’ve never had one who couldn’t be taught math and develop the right attitude toward learning and life.  The great thing about kids that age is they naturally want to learn, be a good person, and do the right thing.  So much of the problem at the older grades is they have not learned and realize they are too old and therefore will never be taught the fundamentals.  But for the vast majority of the little ones, no matter how irresponsible their parents are, they get sent to school.  We can reach them there and they can learn.  My experience is, if they learn in school, when they get older their objective will be to get out of their situation and become a functioning adult.  This how I believe the problems of high drop-out rate, poverty and prison can be permanently solved in the inner city.

If this is not the solution, and there is no solution, I don’t know what to do but weep.  But I believe it is the solution, so I can work rather than weep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.R.</p>
<p>I agree, the main cause of high drop-out rate, poverty and prison are external problems.  Poverty is neither the cause nor an excuse.  And I agree the issue begins with irresponsible people having children when they, themselves, cannot function in the real world.</p>
<p>So, given all of that is there a solution?  I think there is.  I do not believe the solution is to work with the adults.  I’ve tried it, too much work, too little result, virtually no permanent result.  I have worked with High Schoolers, if their attitude is right and their parents are together enough to see the value of it, they can be put on the right track.  Middle Schoolers are the same as High Schoolers, but more of them have the right attitude or can be taught to have the right attitude.  Still, for those who already have an unchangeable wrong attitude in Middle School, they will drop-out, get involved in crime or irresponsibly have children.</p>
<p>I believe the solution is at the Kindergarten, first and second grade level.  I’ve worked with ‘crack babies’, ‘the learning disabled’, and seven year olds who already cuss like a sailor.  I’ve never had one who couldn’t be taught math and develop the right attitude toward learning and life.  The great thing about kids that age is they naturally want to learn, be a good person, and do the right thing.  So much of the problem at the older grades is they have not learned and realize they are too old and therefore will never be taught the fundamentals.  But for the vast majority of the little ones, no matter how irresponsible their parents are, they get sent to school.  We can reach them there and they can learn.  My experience is, if they learn in school, when they get older their objective will be to get out of their situation and become a functioning adult.  This how I believe the problems of high drop-out rate, poverty and prison can be permanently solved in the inner city.</p>
<p>If this is not the solution, and there is no solution, I don’t know what to do but weep.  But I believe it is the solution, so I can work rather than weep.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie,
        I like much of the site you linked to here and agree with the teaching methods,and the fact that kids are being shortchanged partly by a corrupt system, but I disagree the the main causes of high dropout rate, poverty and prison are external problems. The largest factor is the family(good role models) or lack of same on a individual basis.

Poverty is not the cause of problems , nor is it an excuse. Oakland is among the most violent cities, but it is not amongst the highest poverty rates. This is an issue that begins with irresponsible people(for generations now)having children when they cannot function in the real world themselves(that is the root cause, and it will never be dealt with).

http://www.orpn.org/poverty_cities1.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,<br />
        I like much of the site you linked to here and agree with the teaching methods,and the fact that kids are being shortchanged partly by a corrupt system, but I disagree the the main causes of high dropout rate, poverty and prison are external problems. The largest factor is the family(good role models) or lack of same on a individual basis.</p>
<p>Poverty is not the cause of problems , nor is it an excuse. Oakland is among the most violent cities, but it is not amongst the highest poverty rates. This is an issue that begins with irresponsible people(for generations now)having children when they cannot function in the real world themselves(that is the root cause, and it will never be dealt with).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.orpn.org/poverty_cities1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.orpn.org/poverty_cities1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie at Bridge the Chasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Makeitgoaway - I love your comment.

Katy - I don&#039;t know if you read all the comments. I&#039;ve been following the blog for about a year, and I really appreciate your persistence and calm reporting, despite regular stonewalling by the district. Thank you. 

This may be premature, but I have seen the School District&#039;s Standardized Test Results Power Point from last night&#039;s Board meeting.  No progress.  Those of us who care need to get committed to African-American kindergarten, first and second grades learning the fundamentals in math -- defined as being able to add up to 9+9 -- and equivalent fundamentals in English.

Only 36% of African American students in OUSD scored proficiant or advanced in math, as compared to 81% of white students.  That 36% is up from 34% in 2009. No effective change.

Let&#039;s stop expecting anything from the District and just do it ourselves.  I believe this lack of basic education is the biggest reason kids drop out of school and end up on the street, which makes it the biggest reason for the murder and crime in Oakland. I don&#039;t know why the District, the City Council, Alameda County, California and the Federal Government don&#039;t admit this or don&#039;t do anything about it.  We need to.  At the risk of being seen as self promoting, I&#039;d ask you to take a look at our websites and see if we can bring the fundamentals to the schools, for the kids.

http://www.bridgethechasm.org/
http://www.facebook.com/BridgetheChasm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makeitgoaway &#8211; I love your comment.</p>
<p>Katy &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if you read all the comments. I&#8217;ve been following the blog for about a year, and I really appreciate your persistence and calm reporting, despite regular stonewalling by the district. Thank you. </p>
<p>This may be premature, but I have seen the School District&#8217;s Standardized Test Results Power Point from last night&#8217;s Board meeting.  No progress.  Those of us who care need to get committed to African-American kindergarten, first and second grades learning the fundamentals in math &#8212; defined as being able to add up to 9+9 &#8212; and equivalent fundamentals in English.</p>
<p>Only 36% of African American students in OUSD scored proficiant or advanced in math, as compared to 81% of white students.  That 36% is up from 34% in 2009. No effective change.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stop expecting anything from the District and just do it ourselves.  I believe this lack of basic education is the biggest reason kids drop out of school and end up on the street, which makes it the biggest reason for the murder and crime in Oakland. I don&#8217;t know why the District, the City Council, Alameda County, California and the Federal Government don&#8217;t admit this or don&#8217;t do anything about it.  We need to.  At the risk of being seen as self promoting, I&#8217;d ask you to take a look at our websites and see if we can bring the fundamentals to the schools, for the kids.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bridgethechasm.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridgethechasm.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/BridgetheChasm" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/BridgetheChasm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yazstremski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yazstremski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Observer,  Well said, I completely agree with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Observer,  Well said, I completely agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: A coding error</title>
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		<dc:creator>A coding error</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@1 day at a time

Lazear is personal for Smith and friends, hence the fearmongering and the game with numbers. They played with Lazear parents in any way they wanted (all the bs of the transition office) and they wanted them at their feet. My respect for those parents who fight and get what they want in their own right, regardless of the charter vs. public argument or who keeps their jobs. 
Another alternative explanation for the powerpoint glitch is that... they improvised. It happens a lot. Hence the cascade of fiascos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1 day at a time</p>
<p>Lazear is personal for Smith and friends, hence the fearmongering and the game with numbers. They played with Lazear parents in any way they wanted (all the bs of the transition office) and they wanted them at their feet. My respect for those parents who fight and get what they want in their own right, regardless of the charter vs. public argument or who keeps their jobs.<br />
Another alternative explanation for the powerpoint glitch is that&#8230; they improvised. It happens a lot. Hence the cascade of fiascos.</p>
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		<title>By: EffectsofReform</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Observer.  I think that both of these scenarios can be true.  The result will be the resegregation or amplified segregation of schools.  OUSD is offering a cure that looks a lot like the &quot;problem&quot; they are trying to solve.  When we are on the other side of this &quot;destroy it to rebuild it&quot; mentality in a few years we will wonder how on earth anyone thought this was a good idea.  Or perhaps we will have so shifted the burden of educating and housing URM and low income children and families to the suburbs that no one will remember the barriers and uncertainty that were established through the closure process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Observer.  I think that both of these scenarios can be true.  The result will be the resegregation or amplified segregation of schools.  OUSD is offering a cure that looks a lot like the &#8220;problem&#8221; they are trying to solve.  When we are on the other side of this &#8220;destroy it to rebuild it&#8221; mentality in a few years we will wonder how on earth anyone thought this was a good idea.  Or perhaps we will have so shifted the burden of educating and housing URM and low income children and families to the suburbs that no one will remember the barriers and uncertainty that were established through the closure process.</p>
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		<title>By: 1day at a time</title>
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		<dc:creator>1day at a time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely fascinating.

Someone wants this school, or at least what happened to this school, to disappear from public memory. Why? What&#039;s the issue? 

After watching that school board video (linked below), I realize the issue IS different. It&#039;s not even about the school. It&#039;s about credibility and reputation.

Apparently, the board was going to approve Lazear&#039;s charter. But the Superintendent produced a report giving gloomy projections and numbers in a closed-door session; they considered the dismal financial report and changed their minds! Wow...

When the vote was taken, the petition was rejected. The board took a lot of heat about this change of direction. They relied almost exclusively on Smith&#039;s budget projections. It appeared to be a gut-wrenching decision for board members. 


But what if the numbers were wrong... 


Only a couple board members questioned the numbers. One said she knew the &quot;game being played&quot;. 

Credibility could be undermined, competence would be questioned, and reputations (read: careers) could hang in the balance. And that&#039;s assuming positive intentions.

So the school disappears....  


Video of related board mtg:  http://ousd.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=4&amp;clip_id=411

Watch item 12-1062 


KMurphy and the public need to really decide if they want to pursue this. Consider how lack of stability impacts systems and kids. Anyone in business or management can read these tea leaves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely fascinating.</p>
<p>Someone wants this school, or at least what happened to this school, to disappear from public memory. Why? What&#8217;s the issue? </p>
<p>After watching that school board video (linked below), I realize the issue IS different. It&#8217;s not even about the school. It&#8217;s about credibility and reputation.</p>
<p>Apparently, the board was going to approve Lazear&#8217;s charter. But the Superintendent produced a report giving gloomy projections and numbers in a closed-door session; they considered the dismal financial report and changed their minds! Wow&#8230;</p>
<p>When the vote was taken, the petition was rejected. The board took a lot of heat about this change of direction. They relied almost exclusively on Smith&#8217;s budget projections. It appeared to be a gut-wrenching decision for board members. </p>
<p>But what if the numbers were wrong&#8230; </p>
<p>Only a couple board members questioned the numbers. One said she knew the &#8220;game being played&#8221;. </p>
<p>Credibility could be undermined, competence would be questioned, and reputations (read: careers) could hang in the balance. And that&#8217;s assuming positive intentions.</p>
<p>So the school disappears&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Video of related board mtg:  <a href="http://ousd.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=4&#038;clip_id=411" rel="nofollow">http://ousd.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=4&#038;clip_id=411</a></p>
<p>Watch item 12-1062 </p>
<p>KMurphy and the public need to really decide if they want to pursue this. Consider how lack of stability impacts systems and kids. Anyone in business or management can read these tea leaves.</p>
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