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	<title>Comments on: BAD RAP agrees Michael Vick is BAD NEWS for Oakland Raiders</title>
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		<title>By: boby</title>
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		<dc:creator>boby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what happened to redemption you need to get over it and let this man live his life get over it the public should focus on serious issuses than this man trying to rebuild his life so to all the haters learn to forgive]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happened to redemption you need to get over it and let this man live his life get over it the public should focus on serious issuses than this man trying to rebuild his life so to all the haters learn to forgive</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Compared to illegal dogfighting, the quantity, if not the quality, of abuse that takes place as a result of consumption of animal products is far worse. The only difference being one happens to dogs, &quot;mans best friend,&quot; and the other happens to cows, pigs, chicken, and  sheep.
A well planned methodology does not necessarily decrease animal suffering.
That is not to say the dogfighting is not horrible abuse and should not be illegal, but rather the villification of Vick in the media is hypocritical.

His attitude toward the animals he abused  mirrors the attitude the rest of the society  has toward the animals it consumes. The attitude is that of a non-identification with  the individual suffering, pain and death of each animal.

Those who participate in animal abuse by buying animal products or betting on dogfighting are indeed responsible.  They are more responsible than the party performing the  abuse.  Vick would never run a dog fighting operation if there were not willing participants (the people who pay to watch or bet) Animal warehouses and slaughterhouses wouldn t exist without the people who buy the milk, meat, eggs, leather, fur, etc..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared to illegal dogfighting, the quantity, if not the quality, of abuse that takes place as a result of consumption of animal products is far worse. The only difference being one happens to dogs, &#8220;mans best friend,&#8221; and the other happens to cows, pigs, chicken, and  sheep.<br />
A well planned methodology does not necessarily decrease animal suffering.<br />
That is not to say the dogfighting is not horrible abuse and should not be illegal, but rather the villification of Vick in the media is hypocritical.</p>
<p>His attitude toward the animals he abused  mirrors the attitude the rest of the society  has toward the animals it consumes. The attitude is that of a non-identification with  the individual suffering, pain and death of each animal.</p>
<p>Those who participate in animal abuse by buying animal products or betting on dogfighting are indeed responsible.  They are more responsible than the party performing the  abuse.  Vick would never run a dog fighting operation if there were not willing participants (the people who pay to watch or bet) Animal warehouses and slaughterhouses wouldn t exist without the people who buy the milk, meat, eggs, leather, fur, etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Vick has been busted. Sentencing is next month. I’ll provide the popcorn.&quot;

Correction: Sentencing took place. My. Time flies. Unfortunately in this instance too fast...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vick has been busted. Sentencing is next month. I’ll provide the popcorn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correction: Sentencing took place. My. Time flies. Unfortunately in this instance too fast&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sanctimonious about Vick?&quot; Guy, don&#039;t even consider me part of the drivel. And, using a two-bit comparative of barbecuing meat to a jerk whose method of killing animals is by way of anal electrocution, and other alternative means, just ain&#039;t gonna fly with me.

I don&#039;t have the ability to predetermine the methods used to kill the hamburger meat or chicken that I purchase from a grocer. I HAVE learned what does take place in slaughterhouses, and I can 1) continue to financially contribute to investigative agencies that determine where practices of abuse are taking place; 2) continue asking the appropriate legislators to intercede and reclassify similar Vick actions from misdemeanor to felony.

But to consider myself as the equivalent of Vick, whose methodology of killing animals is because of a bad hair day and is instilled by already illegal activity, is too subjective, too generalized and conclusory.

It would be equal to my overlooking your mother getting her teeth knocked out by someone because elder abuse is common and because she is of no relation to me.

Vick has been busted. Sentencing is next month. I&#039;ll provide the popcorn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sanctimonious about Vick?&#8221; Guy, don&#8217;t even consider me part of the drivel. And, using a two-bit comparative of barbecuing meat to a jerk whose method of killing animals is by way of anal electrocution, and other alternative means, just ain&#8217;t gonna fly with me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the ability to predetermine the methods used to kill the hamburger meat or chicken that I purchase from a grocer. I HAVE learned what does take place in slaughterhouses, and I can 1) continue to financially contribute to investigative agencies that determine where practices of abuse are taking place; 2) continue asking the appropriate legislators to intercede and reclassify similar Vick actions from misdemeanor to felony.</p>
<p>But to consider myself as the equivalent of Vick, whose methodology of killing animals is because of a bad hair day and is instilled by already illegal activity, is too subjective, too generalized and conclusory.</p>
<p>It would be equal to my overlooking your mother getting her teeth knocked out by someone because elder abuse is common and because she is of no relation to me.</p>
<p>Vick has been busted. Sentencing is next month. I&#8217;ll provide the popcorn.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please.  We have no right to be sanctimonious about Vick.
All of us are just as guilty of participating in animal cruelty as Vick if we eat or have ever eaten animal products.
There really is not too much difference between people enjoying themselves at a barbecue as people enjoying themselves watching a dogfight.
Are people aware, for example, that when they are slaughtered, chickens, pigs, cows must be kept alive so that the blood is pumped out by the force of the heart beating? or that they might still be conscious while being dismembered on the line?
These animals are not any less intelligent than the dogs and cats we keep. Pigs are considered more intelligent than dogs.
I really can t see what gives us the moral right to stand around villifying Vick.  Maybe its just to hide or assuage are own guilt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  We have no right to be sanctimonious about Vick.<br />
All of us are just as guilty of participating in animal cruelty as Vick if we eat or have ever eaten animal products.<br />
There really is not too much difference between people enjoying themselves at a barbecue as people enjoying themselves watching a dogfight.<br />
Are people aware, for example, that when they are slaughtered, chickens, pigs, cows must be kept alive so that the blood is pumped out by the force of the heart beating? or that they might still be conscious while being dismembered on the line?<br />
These animals are not any less intelligent than the dogs and cats we keep. Pigs are considered more intelligent than dogs.<br />
I really can t see what gives us the moral right to stand around villifying Vick.  Maybe its just to hide or assuage are own guilt.</p>
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