I did not criticize you for your possession of wealth, what ever that might be. Nor do I accept
your criticism of my wife’s shopping at Wal-Mart. Those purchses aid job creation in 3rd world countries such as China. Third world countries such as India seem to be exporting badly needed individuals with intelligence and verve. See those emigres from India as a needed presence in the absence of sufficently well educated students being produced by inner city schools in this country where poverty has no where near reached the heights found in India.

What is not occurring here is recognition that we are no longer truly able to carry the costs of war machinery such as super aircraft carriers….. made more expensive by our self abusive exhaustion of iron ore.

Going back to ‘historic city hall’….. that building sits directly atop the Hayward fault. Interior damage exists which is caused by slippage along the line. Treeview school, above Mission south of Garin sits atop the fault line. In an inspection tour as participant in a committee to analyze the Peixoto school, the group toured Tree View. ( About 10 or twelve years ago.) On the occasion
of that visit we found repiars occurring that were required by slip damage to the sewer line. Wee
also observed damage to relatively new walkways between building and play ward situated on flat land well below the school. Removing our selves to front, you could observe ‘half moons’ in street paving which reveals slippage of the entire site. ( now covered by slurry seal.)

Now sir, where would you spend available money ? Seems to me we are prepared to spend money removing rubble of the inevitable collapse at old city hall, where by the way nothing historical happened in it’s 31 years of use, as opposed to spending money reconstructing Tree View
School at present day site of Bidwell school. Bidwell was closed for over 20 years prior to
s need to permit TreeView students more class room space due to class size reduction.

I grew up studying ‘odd ball stuff’ such as Papal encyclicals known as ‘Rerum Novarum’ which
led to success in the union movment. Successive encyclcals on ‘Changes in social order’, ‘Education and conditions in schools’, Atheistic Communism have made possible my peace of mind to the extent that I understand the need to share the world’s resources, that labor imported from Mexico is simple, compassionate justice when living wages are paid while unemployed labor in this country refuses the field work as being ‘beneath themselves’. That the recent imposition upon management to ‘police’ accuracy of employee social security numbers is a crazy act by government.

Frank Garcia of this City uses English as a second language and worked himself up from use of a short hoe in Salinas / Watsonville area to his well educated condition that places him in a responsible position at UC Berkelry assisting minority students to obtain higher levels of achievment. You have no concept of my admiration for that man. If we sat down and interviewed those being returned to Mexicao, would we be schocked at our loss?

Thus do I oppose any public expendiure of public money used to preserve useless buildings on public land. As a memeber of the long dis-assembled Growth Mgt task force, I spoke in favor of knocking down much of B Street commercial buildings…. just as thopugh it were a collection
of salvageable stuff, as we do with old autos. The land deserves respect too especially since we destroy it faster than the time God used to create it.

So, Fernando, my request of you is to come up with a thoughtful reply rather than just quick
attack upon opinions of others. Do you participate in any committees which aid the decision making process at City Hall or HUSD ?

Keep alert to the opportunity….. i belive something will soon happen at HUSD which opens the door for advisory committees or ‘commissions’ as an aid to decision making as well as improved public relations at HUSD.

Have you seen “My word” in Review edition of Friday August 10th, local section, Opinion pages ?

Take care….. ’30′

I get the sense that you are implying my pockets are empty and my willingingess to invest in this community through what ever bonds I say I would supports are an empty commitment, but I can assure this is not the case.

I have a different perspective on globalization beacuse , coming from a developing country, I have seen the way in which globalization exploits the second and third worlds for the benefit of the first world, of which you are a part of.

You did say your wife enjoys “bargain” shopping at Wal-Mart?

If you do your reserach, the “bargains” your wife so likes come at the expense of the poor in China, India, Mexico, the Philipines, and so many other countries where american companies have fled to avoid paying minimum wages in this country.

I wander if you buy fair trade coffee? I suspect not. To expensive right?

Would you buy a $4.00 head of lettuce to make sure we don’t have to employ illegal aliens to pick then off the fields? I suspect you wouldn’t.

What about those cheap clothes from Wal-Mart, cheap right?

Bargains?

I have no idea of how much you have traveled through the world, but I think a trip to some rural area of the third world would maybe change your mind about some of these issues.

You see globalization from the perspective of the explioter (or at least, the one who benefits from the exploitation), not the point of view of the explioted.

Unfortunatelly, in this country, MONEY is ALL the counts. Is this not why we are in Iraq persuing “democracy”, while at the same time we support Saudi Arabia and any other regime that is monetarily favorable to our way of life?

Then too,if money dosn’t count, be sure to spend some time getting out the vote for HUSD School bond elections at which anbout $175 million was to be asked in round one…. with another round or two to follow.

I guess I wasn’t an attentive bank employee during that 40 year experience.

One thing I did notice in those 40 years, it is usually the guy with empty pockets who wants
Cities to spend money on that which is basically unimportant.

Well, as globalization of our economy continues, some will blame the government for not
‘spending us out of the hole’ in the fashion of F.D.R. Shucks, Bill Clinton tells us that globalization is here and will continuew to grow.. Don’t like it ? Find another Herbert Hoover !

There is more to old buildings than the monetary value of the land they sit on.

I would take Bubba’s statement one step further and postulate that you would probably find MORE support for the old buildings down town amongst the immigrant communities of Hayward BECAUSE they come from places that were built more than a mere 150 years ago like down town Hayward (not even, unless you take into account what little is left of what the spanish built (in Fremont), or the few post holes and grinding stones left by the native populations)

In Mexico City, they have built metro (BART) stations AROUND relatively insignificant pyramids, in order to preserve them. Not only that, they have integrated the archeological sites into the design of the infrastructure and turned them into a learning experience!

How would you like to take BART, and be able to see on your way into the station a 1000 year old archeological site, with museum type signage and all…

In Hayward, we are not lucky enough to have the massive archeological sites like we have all over Mexico. All we have are 100 year old buildings, many of them like the Palmtag buiding, derelict and heavily remodeled and not true to their original design, but they are we have left of the old days.

The Palmtag is so different from it’s original design that maybe it might not be worth restoring (I have not yet made up my mind, after briefly talking about it with Mr. Demersman from the Hayward Area Historical Society) But the Old City Hall, certainly!

That aspect of the background examination of Building which would enable increased electric supply is not usually part of a contracted engineers’s research and would be easily overlooked given the new construction near that site. Owner unsuspectingly acted on single aspect of faulty engineering advice, which as faulty
as that was did not otherwise in-validate the research…Again the nearby redevelopment activity might have been seen as an assurance of electrical supply.

I once worked in an office building at 21st and Broadway in Oakland which
after completion and several years existence had problems such as the refelective glass which seriously affected visibility by reflecting morning sun upon west
bound traffic along Grand Ave. Nothing could be done but planning department in Oakland learned a lesson on use of materials as did Hayward when it was fed news of the problem when considering a similar building.

In that same building a tenant transformed the nature of his business and plugged in multiple extension cords for a non typical use of xerox, computers adding,machines etc. The building owner new nothing about it until a janitor started asking questions about why it was that the door to the power distribution box over heated……. some monkey business with fuses had occurred, prossibly by an over zealous biz equipment salesman.

The involved Historical society was/is responsible for creation of old City Hall #1 (opposite the library) as a preservation property. Not involved with any reinforced, quake engineered up date, it stands with crippled interior, ready to come down with expense for removal of rubble charged to City Residents.

Despite what my critic states, both buildings are part of the same problem.
Let us consider that there is a limit to preservation. and at some point in time
ptesrvatiopnists nust accept tear down if replaced by designs reminding of
what once existed.

If current owner walks away, who would buy and what would be the use that historial interest types would find as aid in terms of marketing and/or preservation expense?

Look at the old Bank Building at NE Corner of B and Main! In my memory it has not been used for over 15 years.

Will that be the next preservation target since owner has not had the luck or smarts enough to find a use, if not for the white elephant that sits upon the
land, then for what pernissible re-use of the land?

Since City’s downtown committee ignores my earlier earlier written argument,
( My Word, Review, 2006) about more intensive marketing to the needs of recent arrivals, of which there are a great many, if we judge by the number of children being taught English as a second language and whose ethnicity is not limited to spanish speaking areas of the world.

India, as an example, is highly influential in providing leadership in Silicon Valley
and their businesses are producing profits. Why are we not planning to attract
a representative number of that population into creation of retail shops caterring
to those ethnic needs which contribute to enjoyment of those reminders or experiences which ‘remind of home’ to folks in possession of incredible
intestinal fortitude, courage. entreprenurial spirit and all the things leading to success of their families and as a consequence, a modern multi-cultural community which in eventuality will not give a tinkers damn about what the historical society thinks about outmoded, obsolete, fault line slip damaged and unrentable structure such as old city hal,l which in my mind lacks historical interest except for the reminder of war as seen in the presence of the air raid warning horn on roof ridge.

As a second generation native of Oakland I marvel at the changes in downtown
as well as the waterfront where Alaska Cod Fish Packers and saling ships once had a presence. I often reflect upon the ambience existing in that area where i grew up. But when I had grown up, I became grateful for the entreprenurial presence which brought about the changes. It provided me with employment!

As a child I had a teddy bear which I tossed out at about four years of age in exchange for a baseball bat and two wheel bike. Today, I couldn’t tell you if teddy was brown, black or white; such was the fickleness of my dependent love for teddy without which I could not sleep.

In other words, I grew up to become the wonderfully wise, even if highly
opinionated, old geezer that I am now.

Let’s keep the old City Hall and the Palmtag building as separate issues, which they are.

It seems to me that if the developer purchased the property knowing it’s historic status and planning to retrofit it (which they were), then they should stick to their original plan.

If they purchased the property without making sure a retrofit was economically feasible for their plans and profit expectations, they didn’t do their homework.

Maybe these developers have to be willing to not make as much money on this property as they thought they would. If they find themselves in this predicament it is because of their own actions (or inactions), I’m not sure why “the public” needs to bail them out!

I agree with Julie Machado, it seems very strange that they would demolish the old building with the reason being that the retrofit would render most of the second story unusable, only to build a one story building!

Why not retrofit ?, I’m sure would be cheaper than tearing down the old building and starting from scratch. Why make the loss of the second story such an issue if they don’t plan to rebuild it anyway? It just doesn’t make sance!

If the developers can explain this to my satisfaction I might be willing to change my mind, but from where I stand, the building should be saved and the developers should be more carefull next time about what they are purchasing and what their limitations will be.

I grew up Mexico City, which has a down town area filled with stone buildings built in the 1500′s-1800′s. A few years ago the Mexican government created an agency tasked with rehabilitating many of these buildings to make them both earthquake safe and economically sound. The agency is a non profit and the revenues of the first buildings retrofitted have sustained the retrofiting of the subsequent renovations.The project has worked great, and now downtown Mexico city is experiencing a great economic revival, with many formerly abandoned buildings becoming populated and a part of the city’s economic base, without having lost it’s historic character.

I, for one, would be willing to chip in some money towards historic preservation if it means Hayward will retain some of it’s original old buildings.

For years, there used to be a sign on that building that said, “Jacqueline’s,” for a beauty shop (that’s what they called them in those days) owned and operated by my late Aunt Jacqueline Dames. Aunt Jackie and Uncle “Slip” Dames were prominent business people in the Hayward area for decades.

Jackie and Slip always traveled in their Cadillacs and dressed to the nine’s every time they stepped out the door. As Jackie was thin as a rail and hated to cook, they ate dinner out every day of the week, mostly in Hayward. They were stalwarts of this community and I am sad to think that a little bit more of our history may be destroyed in the guise of “urban development.”

The Palmtag is a beautiful piece of Hayward’s past. I hope that our community can find a way to preserve this important part of our history.

–Jackie (Jacqueline! Yes, I was named for my aunt!) McCort

As for myself I believe that if the Palmtag building is of such historicl value that it should be pereerved, then let the public foot the billand bail the present owner out of his predicAMENT.