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By knoceda
Wednesday, August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm in General, Hayward, Schools.

Students apparently are feeling threatened by the large amount of day laborers who hang out on Tennyson Road near Cesar Chavez Middle School.

During a school safety meeting held Tuesday evening at the campus, several girls described being the targets of whistles and verbal abuse on their daily walks to and from school.

City, police and school officials are working on ways to help improve the atmosphere for area students. Some are proposing that day laborers be banned from hanging around near the school at least an hour before and after school, while others would just like them removed from the area entirely.

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  • shofo

    Laborers are here to work hard for their money, there not to get to our children, i think we as parents need to take a close look to how girls dress now in days, and a lot of them dress way to provocative and not living anything to the imagination if you know what i mean, so parents also need to take a close look of that.

  • Sandi

    The city needs to put up NO LOITERING SIGNS and enforce it. This has worked elsewhere. See link below.

    http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/mime/open.pdf?Item=1960

    This action should be taken at all day labor sites if only cities and police dept. would enforce it instead of the sanctuary BS.

    When students, especially minors, feel threatened, we need to take it seriously.

    I can’t even stand to go to Home Depot because of jestures made by the large masses of day laborers.

  • Hayward339

    I agree with Sandi. Enforce the loitering laws. Start taking names and charging fines and the problem will quickly either disappear or escalate to the usual battle of “picking on minorities” argument. We need to stop bending over for special interest groups when the law is meant to be applied to everyone. We do it with gang members and homeless people. Why would day laborers be any different – especially since we have a Day Laborer Center for them to actually use!

  • Reader

    Why are these day laborers hanging on the street when the city has spent money for them to have a Day Laborer Center? As for me I no longer shop any of the merchants on Tennyson (and I live close by) due to their rude behavior. If I was a parent who had to have children walking pass and through these men, I would really be upset that nothing was done about this situation. Why this subject hasn’t come up before, I don’t know. Is it because people are afraid to talk about it and what a nuisance and annoyance these people are to everyone? We need to enforce the loitering laws and take back our streets.

  • J. W. Kyle

    Shofo at comment #1 above makes a lot of sense.

    I recall the fact that in the late 1940′s through the 1950′s, young ladies at Piedmont High School were wearing uniforms. In that era the rationale was that since many girls came from wealthy families, they had budgets which permited wardrobes reflecting wealth through style and depth of the closets at home thus permitting many, frequent changes of stylish clothing.

    Some of that clothing was ‘revealing’ and offended some sensibilities even though the mode of dress was much more reserved as well as tasteful than what we see young ladies wearing at local schools. Yes, Piedmont High remains a public school and I have no idea if uniforms are still required.

    One of the argumemnts presented to school authorities was that there existed a great number of families whose pocket books did not permit the “competition’ that we all know exists between women sseking..’suitable dates’. Thus, to level the playing field…. uniforms were introduced. Believe it or not, at the conclusion of prescribed course of studies, young ladies were easily able to obtain ‘qualitative’ unifiorms from the graduate females who never turned away from opportunity to use the money for styles ‘needed’ at College.

    Uniforms did much for young males who then had opportunity to seek out young women on the basis of their ‘brains’ and personality rather than just…. I dare to say it. ‘cleavage’… etc.

    Which is not to say that the laborers ought not be givem every opportunity to behave as gentlemen…. or physically forced to leave the area!

    Be reminded, Mothers, as well as young ladies, that the most errogenous part of the male body, is located in the eyeballs! If you dislike remarks from men caused by your mode of dress… change !

  • dlvmiguel

    Make the girls take a different route! Day Laborers have rights! Isn’t Hayward a sanctuary city? What’s wrong with you people??? Next you’ll be complaining that illegals and day laborer or juvenile criminals have no right to rob, rape and pillage! Ain’t this America that’s ripe for the pickin? You don’t want your laws enforced do you? Who are you to tell people that they must obey the laws? This country belongs to anyone who wants to claim it. If these girls are offended or scared so what? There’s worse to come so get used to it.
    /Sarcasim

  • lig

    For your information, Hayward is NOT a sanctuary city. Contact City Hall if you need confirmation. Also, it is NOT OK to offend people in public and act inappropriately. If these day laborers want to congregate, they could at least ignore the girls who are young enough to be their daughters.

  • monica ruiz

    Loiterers should be cited and females can dress in any manor that we choose. We should be able to walk on the streets at any time of the day without the fear of being harassed,mugged,raped and murdered. Isn’t this America the land of the free?

  • falynn

    To all of you telling the girls to change their dress, this is middle school, morons. Grown men should not be horn-doggin’ after little girls–unfortunately some of our immigrant laborers come from cultures where you are considered a woman at 15–so they start scopin’ out the 12-year olds. “Diversity” has sure been great for Hayward, hasn’t it?

  • J. W. Kyle

    I am astounded by the low quality of thought processes exhibited on this blog subject.

    Those Latino day laborers are part of God’s creation and should be seen be seen as an indication of the desparation existent in many areas of the world, not just Mexico.

    Analyze the incredible costs of of a wall being erected along our southern border to ‘prevent’ illegal immigration and ask yourself, assuming you were experiencing those same economic conditions, if you could not find a way to swim around both ends, tunnel under or find other means of entering the US.

    I was recently told, ( rather hard to imagine,) of the idea that some Mexicans go to Cuba, pick up documentation to travel to Mexico then continue on to Florida posing as Cuban refugees who are prohibited flight from Cuba direct to Florida.

    I suggest looking upon those ‘loitering’ along Tennyson, as desparate victims of economic conditions, not just in Mexico or Central America, but as courageous individuals willing to expose themselves to difficult job conditions.

    The expression of compassion for those without, as found in the ‘Marshall Plan’ of post WW-II era is now seemingly forgotten but remains as a standout for U.S., as a great expression of compassion as well as good government.

    So, do we wonder why we have loiterers ? In the blog related remarks are we exhibiting any sense of compassion? Lacking ability in language other than English I would otherwise be on the street speaking to those fellows who wait patiently for just about any sort of temporary underpaid work, lacking insurance etc.

    Perhaps some Spanish speaking local politicians, can assist us in this area. Do we have such in Hayward? There is that opportunity to teach these men some of the more acceptable rules of behavior while on the street. I can not accept the idea that any such effort by Spanish speakihng individuals would ever go un-rewarded at some point in his or her existence.

    I have yet to observe any, whether they be on Tennyson or the Home Depot parking lot, emngaged in open use of alcohol, drugs or the sale of such items….. There is good in all, if we just look !

    In the meantime, young ladies can be taught how to avoid arousing young men…. It apalls me to read of the suggestion, by one contributor (above) who suggests, rather strongly, that ‘street walking’ in various clothing styles at all hours of the day is permissable. How much police effort is expended in that scenario?

    Some folks confuse ‘freedom’ with licentiuos behavior.
    Is that what is taught at HUSD?

  • Hayward339

    With all due respect, J.W. Kyle, the freedoms of our own native-born sons and daughters are being trampled on when they can’t walk unbothered to school. The lack of compassion you are hearing is the backlash from those of us tired of continuing to be considerate, open, and welcoming yet receive nothing but continued disregard for the US laws, common courtesy’s of our society, and efforts to help them through reasonable programs such as Day Laborer Centers. We reach out to try and educate them but they choose not to take advantage of the offerings. We explain our laws and rules, yet they ignore them pleading ignorance. And, when we begin to express our displeasure, we become the accused – of being non-compassionate. The Marshall Plan worked because those that took advantage of it did not take advantage of their communities but worked to become part of it, to add to it, to integrate themselves into it and to offer more to the community. Many of these day laborers are long-distance commuters back to Mexico or other areas of the state and offer nothing back to the community except low-costing labor. I can be argued that they’re being taken advantage of since we’re not paying them fair wages nor providing health benefits. Where is the line? At some point, the Tragedy of the Commons will occur and then we will all suffer the consequences. To avoid this happening, the line needs to be drawn somewhere and when it comes to our children, it’s very easy for me to draw that line and stick to it.

  • J. W. Kyle

    Well, Mr or Ms. 339, ( whatever the case may be;) I percive your response as being VERY WELL WRITTEN.. but narrow.

    All the young ladies have been offended and all the laborers are guilty of offenses against the young ladies. And of course, most parents and ordinary citizens are simply offended by the presence of those who look and sound a bit different.

    We should have kicked out all the Italians because of the mafioso then too, the Irish who according to much of the viciousness of the yellow press were simply too drunk to be accepteable for many of the WASPS, until the Irish learned to sreal City Hall.

    With the exception of Native Americans, all of us are gulte guilty, through inheritance, of offending THOSE REAL folks in the most serious manner.

    The first lesson in good citizenship, it seems to me, is the lessons and benefits of tolerance.

    And now, gentle readers, for me that’s

    30 !

  • Just_Me

    I agree the laborers shouldn’t be making comments to the girls while they pass to going to school but I have to agree that the parents and girls should realize how they are dressing these days. They show everything they own…have some respect for yourselves.
    They dress with everything showing and wonder why these guys say what they do….they’re just asking for trouble.

  • ponee007

    What have people learned with over 30 years of Feminism? Women still need to keep their dress like some old-lady with a house dress to avoid being cat-called? HELLO, wake up. WOMEN can wear what they want, it’s the morons out there who whistle who are problematic – whether they are day-laborers, construction workers or who ever. Why do they do that? And why does are society continue to tolerate it?

    Obviously we can’t have the young girls yelling back at them to mind their own business – so why not enforce the loitering laws & what about the Day-Laborer Center people speak of? Is it being utilized?

  • Deez12

    J. W. Kyle: do you tolerate pedophiles?