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The seating question, revisited X 10

By Eric Kurhi
Thursday, March 18th, 2010 at 6:34 pm in Hayward, Politics, Schools.

HUSD trustee Luis Reynoso has repeatedly made it a point of contention that the district superintendent has no place sitting with board members at public meetings. He says it obfuscates duties, making it appear to the observing public that the top administrator is on the same decision-making body as the elected board. He’d rather see the superintendent off to the side, and preferably at a seperate dias, a la the city manager at City Council meetings.

So it wasn’t that big of a surprise when he selected the one question he wanted to ask all candidates at Wednesday’s interviews:

 

 “It’s a simple question, but it means a lot, at least to me. Where do you believe the superintendent should sit during board meetings, and why?”

Turned out to be a pretty good question in terms of gauging who has been observing the board at work. Six of the 10 candidates clearly knew what he was getting at, while a couple were ambiguous  and another two definitely went off-roading with their answer.

No need to name names — no one’s up for a public vote at this time, and, as former schools trustee Gloria Grant-Wilson said, “It takes a lot of courage to stand up there and apply, even if you don’t win, and especially if you don’t win, it takes a lot of courage to keep coming back.”

We’ll have to wait and see if the seating question comes back to the fore in the run-up to the November election.

As for answers, most of the candidates who addressed the issue agreed with Reynoso that to mix the superintendent in with elected officials can be confusing.

Appointed trustee Jesus Armas ventured the following reply while acknowledging his answer might be a black mark in Reynoso’s book:

 “The district has more significant issues in front of it than where the chief sits. The district allows the protocol to be directed by the presiding officer, and I honor that decision.”

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  • John Kyle

    I plead guilty to the thought that Mr. Reynoso0 picked up om his antagonism over the seating arrnagement ofr the Supt.

    Some may recall that when Mr. FVigil was hired that the President of the board happened to be a very old man, well past his prime.The old fella may have asked Supt Vigil to sit adjacent to himself.

    What occurred then was the constant tete a tete whicpers as between the president of the Board and the Supt.

    When Sergio Saenz took office as the appointed replacement for a resigned female Trustee ( Myrna Truhill), hew was immmediately appointed President.

    Vigil continued in hiss eat adjacent to the President and ytthe tete a Tete continued…. possibly due to the inexperience of Mr. Saenz.

    I was personally annoyed at the whispered directions by a very controlling Supt…… my attitude was that if it was worth saying then it was worth saying out loud.

    I suggested to Mr. Reynoso that the practice cease……. it matters not where the Supt is seated just so long as the tete a tete is not seen as being a controlling factor over the meeting of the Trustees. Being seatewd away from the Presiduing officer ends the matter.

    Mr. Reyboso has gone half a step too far…
    In addition he should not have askedc his single question of the those being interviewed in the selection of replacment for Sarah Gonzales.

    He has made his point and I expect him to calm down!

  • haywardteacher

    A complete and total conflict of interest. Does this mean we will not have an audit of the district? Money is being shuffled as quickly as possible to keep it away from the prying eyes of the union. The public deserves to know where every penny of it’s money is, whether required by law or not. Were talking about the elimination of PE and music here. Not a joke.

  • John Kyle

    What we really see occurring is a mindless use of the nom de plume trick which avoids responsibility for issuance of dumb blogs by irresponsible ‘teachers’ posing as educators.

    Focus your dumb minds on the fact that a city such as Pleasanton conciously avoids approval of ‘low income housing’ and is about to be taken to task for conciously avoiding erection of housing for persons on parolle or the Section 8 assitance to the unfortunate….

    Hayward, Having been incorporated as a City in 1876 has an abundence of low income housing and a very high proporion of section 8 housing,highly abundent presence of parollees. Probably as much a problem with baleful teachers as with presence of poor parenting here in Hayward!

    Consequence of all that is that in our three high schools alone, the daily absentee occurs at rate of 7% …. just at those three schools! We loose $1 million per year on that experience!

    One would think that a zealous union member of HEA would go to the State Department of education and demand re-organization of the method for dispensing ADA money….. no, types such as Haywardteacher would rather bay at the moon and recite non-existnt conflict of interest gripes over the fortunate appearance of Jesus Armas on the HUSD Board of Trustees,

    I’d bet a buck Haywardteacher does not live in the district.

    I have recited the experience I had when attending a grandchild’s graduation from Amador High in Pleasanton but here it is again!

    Held in the Amphitheater at Alameda County Fairgrounds, the crowd probably numbered a thousand since seatin was occurring on the stairways and stande4es lined the rim of the ‘bowl’
    The time came when that paragon of intelligence, The Supt of Schools rose to address the crowd….. he went to the lectern and as he fiddle briefly with the mike his arm begabn to rise….. as he pointed due west he stated ‘ Are you not glad that your children did not attend schools on the other side of those hills?’

    Worse yet, the audience broke out into cheers applause, clapping, foot stomping and whitles as it express4ed it’s own ignorance to match that of the top dawg eddykatorr in City of Pleasanton.

    HaywardTeacher ought run to HEA offices and read the story I mailed to that office. It was taken from the SF Chronicle issue of March 17th… and delves into the court decison pointing yo a need to have Pleasanton provide some low income housing for at least part of our share of parental failures!

    That thought of course will pass over the head of Haywardteacher! It requires internal fortitude and to express it another way….; GUTS!

  • Justwatching

    Demeaning another school district, especially by a Superintendent, one that should leading by example, really seems uncalled for at any time especially at Graduation Ceremony.

  • teachermama

    I am outraged by your story, Jon Kyle. I avoid that suburban wasteland on eastern side of the hills like the plague. On the few occasions that I have gone to or spoken on the phone to somebody from the Pleasanton/Dublin/Sn. Ramon area I have indeed experienced “geographic discrimination,” as in, “You want to come here for an appt? From HAYWARD? But Hayward is sooooo far away from here.” Ha! Not half as far as you wish it was.

    They can keep their 900+ API. Hayward has better teachers and a richer cultural context at our schools. What’s more, we have a lot of nice kids, down-to-earth parents and decent politics. Anyway, a dose of grit is good for the soul.

  • John Kyle

    Teachermomma completly misses the point. Too bad I do not have her mailing address.

    For teachermomma to fully grasp the point she should go to HEA offices and read the Front page article…carried over to page 14 of the March 17th story that appeatred in the SF Article.

    The essence of the article revolves around the Very recent court decision involoving Pleasanton’s avoidance of accepting it’s share of low income housing.

    Where Pleasanton’s growth only started in late 1950′s or early 1960′s…. it has avoided acceptance of ABAG’s quota assigned to it for low income housing needs. It has 45,000 jobs but 0nly 26,000 housing units… do the math…. they import jobs during the day and then send low income types back to Oakland, hAYWARD OR NORTHE WEST cONTRA cOSTA cOUNTY AREAS. Get it?

    Hayward, having been incorporated in 1876 has plenty low income housing, a great many of those low income apartment buidings in the Harder Tennyson area were built prior to that area being annexed to Hayward.

    Two Superviosors of that era favored builsders … in one long ago published news story, it was reported that the Board of supervisors overrode their own planning commission in 60% of the declined construction projects.

    If you stil do not ‘get it’ think dirty…. parenting skills in a great many low income familes leave us with absenteeism in our classrooms.

    Absentee-ism at Hayward High Schools alone, cost HUSD about $1,000,000 per year in lost ADA money.

    How is your blood pressure after raeding that bit which I sent to HEA offices by US mail on Thursday morning….. if you get there early, it may still be legible after outraged eyeballs have done reading that bit.

    That is why I SAY, ada MONEY REACHES PLEASANTON CLASSROOJMS IN GREATER RATIOS PER STUDENT THAN WHAT OCCURS IN HAYWARD.

    Wake up… this ‘bully pulpit’ is preaching facts!

    Denial of low income housing in Pleasanton ought see, in fairness, a reduction of those payments on a per capita basis, and an increase in needy School Districts. In other words we need equitABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT mONEY PROVIDED BY THE STATE WHICH RFOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES WAQS ROBBED FROM US WHEN State ‘took’ (STOLE ?) a big chunk of our real estate taxes!

  • John Kyle

    correct erata in submission above…. The ‘article’ appeared in SF Cheonicle on Mardch 17th started on pagwe one and was carried over to page 17 at top of page and dealt with the open space barrier encircling a great segment of Pleasanton.

  • obama.newage

    HaywardTeacher I agree with you. This is a serious conflict of interest and ethics violations. I was at that meeting and I could not believe what I was watching in progress. Even as trustee Mr. Reynoso was asking why no one disclosed that information of Arma’s wife as the HR manager there was a serious attempt to dismiss it as “legal”, but I disagree. To the average person like me with grandchildren it might be legal but this looks unethical. I have been around for many years with many wrinkles to know when I see something plain wrong. Would you also believe that there was no deliberation for any candidates? It was almost as if it was staged. Did Mr. Armas meet those other 3 board members that voted for him before the meeting? This way of doing politics in Hayward needs to stop. I think either the HR manager needs to go or trustee Mr. Armas needs to go but both cannot be in the district at the same time. I think Mr. Reynoso is right to ask for the superintendent to be removed from the area where the elected officials sit. Why does the superintendent insist to sit up there? It seems more of a power exercise on the part of the superintendent. Perhaps if Mr. Reynoso reads this blog he can tell the whole public in simpler language why the superintendent needs to be away from the board, because I get it, some people still don’t understand it. By the way I really don’t want anyone up there but the officials I elected.

  • John Kyle

    SORRY, BUT OBAMA.NEWAGE SAYS: SOUNDS LIKE A NOM DE PLUME USED BY A DISAPPOINTED CANDIDATE FOR THE SLOT!

    i INVITE ALL TO RE=-READ ITEM # 1 AT TOP OF THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

    i WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN OPLANTING THE IDEA IN mR. rEYNOSO’S MIND THAT sUPT OUGHT NOT SIT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEXT TO PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

    rECALL THAT IMMMEDIATELY UPON HIRE vIGIL USURPED THE SEAT IMMEDAITELY ADJACENT TO THAT OLD MAN WHO AIDED HIS HIRE. eAR WHISPERS BY vIGIL INTO EAR OF mR. pETERSON AND HIS SUCCESSOR mR. SAENZ ( IMMEDIATELY YUPON HIS SELECTION, AS REPLACEMENT FOR MYRNA TRUHILL,
    WAS SO PERVASIVE DURIHNG THE MEETINGS THAT I SAW IT AS “MANAGEMENT BY WHISPER”. gO BACK TO HUSD’S WEBSITE AND PALY A TAPE OF THE MEETING IN ANY YEAR OF UP TO THE ELECTION OF 2008 WHEN MR. REWYNOSO TOOK UP MY COMPLAINT TO THE EFFECT…. IF THE WHISPER IS WORTH SAYIN, THEN IT SHOULD BE SAID OUTLOUD SO ALL MY CONSSIDER IT’S WORTH IN THE PERFORMANE OF DUTIES WHICH ARE SEPARATELY ASSIGNED TO sUPT AND tRUSTEES.

    tHAT IS THA BASIS FOR VALID COMPLAINT BY MR. RENOSO, HIS PROBLEM IS THAT HE THINKS THERE IS A NEED TO PLACE THE sUPT ON ANOTHER SECTION OF THE DAIS ….. I DO NOT!

    i ADMIRE rEYNOSO…. HE WAS RAISEED IN AN ORPHANAGEW, CAME HERE AT AGE 11 WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF eNGLISH, tAUGHT SCHOOL IN fREMONT BUT GAVE IT UP SO THAT HE COULD ATTEND usf WORKING FOR A pHd.

    hIS COMMAD OF THE USE OF TWO LANGUAGES SPEAKS WELL OF THE MAN. hIS ENGAGING MENT WITJH STAFF OVER VARIOUS COSTS OF ADMINSTRATIVE IDEAS IS WELCOM…. LET THE ‘REP-ORTS’ ADN agenda items be a bit mor open on that subject.

    I have yet to hear anything out of the moutn of interim Supt Duran that I would criticize.

    Let the Supt sit ayt the main dais…. just separate the seating so that no more whispers by supt are placed in the ear of the Presider!

    Armas won fair and square! I notice that most of those viewing school board meetings are not really tuned in to City Counciol meetings….had they done so, over the years, they would aloso have voted for Mr. Armas. Put that ‘non-issue’ to bed….MOVE ON!

  • obama.newage

    As a voter I would expect my school board members to be up there no one else. If I want someone to join them I would rather have a parent or a student and not an employee. I also wrote to Mr. Reynoso about the sitting as soon as he was elected. He had told me about the same problem but nothing related to what you say. You are not the only one that he listens to. His complaint was the same as mine. The board is the one in charge so they need to do it in the meetings too and show it. I disagree with the Armas voting. THERE WAS NO DELIBERATION OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES, I WAS THERE, many of us were talking about that afterwards. Too bad it was not televised so the public can see the circus for what it was. It seemed like it was fixed. We the voters need to be sure that this does not happen again. Hopefully they can write their bylaws to make sure a board member will not have a spouse as a manager for the district.

  • John Kyle

    Obama.newatge
    Your thought processes are shallow! Had you listened closely, the statements made by the 10 candidates were widely varying in their knowledge of Board workings/operation/responsibility.

    desire is a good card… but you need four or more others in any card game I know!

    You need some lessons in tact and sensitivity! There was no deliberation over the various candidates for the sinple reason that it would have been embarssing to those interviewed. Mr. Armas was head and shoulders above the others and that was the glaring truth of the experience.

    Where did you go to law school and how did you do in the bar exams?

    There were two others who showed potential. They were African Americans… the lady machine gunnedus with words emanating from thought very rapid, shifting thought processes that it was quite confusing to trustees as well as the audience. The second was a young black mahn, a cut above most in stature, speaking style and zeal well above 8 others. there again the administrative exoperience could not match that of Armas.

    I think what I detect in your complait, Ms. Obama Newage, is more than just a bit of raw-jaw! Relax, if you really hate Arams because you think that 60% of the trustees have facility in Spanish… then blow your ‘race’ horn during the election for the permanent seat.

  • obama.newage

    I have met Mr. Armas and I like him but that is it, he is a nice person but not the best candidate. At least you admit there was no deliberation at the meeting, and that was just wrong for the candidates. The candidates were tough enough, tougher than what you think that if they were embarrassed they would have taken it otherwise they would not have applied for the board seat position. My opinion stands and I do not think the best person was chosen with or without the controversy of having a HR director in HUSD. Either Mr. McGee or Ms. Bock would have been a much better choice for clearly they showed much more savvy experience for public schools. Mr. Armas as I could remember never sent his children to public schools. So if there would have been deliberation plenty could have come out to show and embarrass him that he knows nothing about public schools of how they are managed or funded. Remember when he was running against Dr. Mitzman for Chabot College trustee in 2008? At that time Dr. Mitzman pointed out Mr. Armas had never set foot in Chabot College so how would anyone be qualified to run Chabot college with no experience. He lost in the election because he does not know community college education. Dr. Mitzman won the trustee position because he showed how much more he knows over his opponent of Mr. Armas. Clearly Dr. Mitzman showed the public as predicted with so much experience of how to be a good Chabot trustee, and he really is. So, really I think the selection was rigged to not expose the limited knowledge of the selected. Please be honest the only way someone that knows nothing about public education and the problem of the conflict of interest with HR director would get a board seat is if he is given one. He would never win an election for the little that he knows about public schools would come out and the suspicion of nepotism with HR manager. By the way when I don’t agree with what anyone says I never insult any one postings here. We should be able to disagree without insults. Please don’t make this a race issue for I am proud to have members in my family that are Latino, African American and of course European American too. Perhaps you need a lesson in sensitivity yourself.

  • John Kyle

    o’BAMA NEW AGE:

    It is good that you hide behind a nom de plume.

    You know not about that to which you speak!

    Worse yet, you fail to understand our basic problem which was revealed ihn the recent court decision early this month, In superior Court, Alameda County by Judge Frank Roesch dealing with Pleasanton’s total lack of co-operation with ABAG’s low income housing quota, we could never plunb the depths of our commomn problem.

    So, a voter who sent his children to Moreau Catholic HS is not entitled to participate at HUSD Board of Trustees as a memeber?

    That is like saying the recently departed Gay and Lesbian Trustees should not have neen elected because of disdain for pro-creation of children!

    I AM DONE WITH YOU LADY!

  • Jeff

    Mr. Kyle,

    As much as I dislike the tone of voice in Obama.newage and Teachermama, I do like to pose a question to you. What qualifications would make an excellent HUSD trustee. I know my opinions differ than yours but I would like to hear your reasoning.

    1. Does the candidate need to have children? Anna May does not have any kids.

    2. Does the candiate need to have their children currently or in the past attend an HUSD school?
    Mr. Armas sent his to Moreau Catholic high.

    3. Does the candiate need to have a college education?

    4. Does the candiates’ current and past job experience matter? What jobs are more desirable than others?

    I believe the “old man” you been referring to is Grant Peterson.

  • John Kyle

    Jeff:

    No, the candidate does not need to have children; however parentage does provide insight to the educational systems available and/or acheived through parenting skills, presently lacking in the homes of many HUSD students, comes into play. One of the problems we face as a community is that many are not church members nor have they acheived an awareness of the responsibilities of parenting through public schools and or a church. Unwanteed pregnancies see kids ( Children ?) droppuing out of schools and /or enbtering marital state without a clue of responbilities inherrent in the act of creaating a child.

    2.) Yes Mr. Armas sent his kids to Moreau HS…. does that disq=ualify him? If the answer is negative how does that disqualify hijm. I hav a dim memory of his children attending school where Mrs. Armas was preincipal…. geez, the kids were trapped and in deep do-do if the principals kids failed to do homework or attempted tp play hooky? Did mom provide homework answers or just assure that they did do proper time pouring over the books and assignments.

    Speaking as a Catholic whose children attended garde and HS in Parochial system…..I do not feel excusred from resp[onsibilities of citizenship and concern for public schoolos. My history of ihnvolvment proves my point.

    So Armas is in no way relieved of his duty to the common good than any other parent or citizen who desires recognition of being concerned and ready to put minsd and body to that task!

    Citizenship goes beyond the salute to the Flag!

    3.) I do not see a requirement for college degreeas being an absolute. A.P Gianninni comesd to mind. He was the founder of the Bank of America which for the first 24 years of it’s existence was known as the Bank of America. His father and Mother were truck farmers in Al;visio befor land subsidence days; Dad wss stabbed to Death and AP being the oldest took over the reigns…. Mpther re-marries and step dad, a produce market manager in the early days of the wholesale produce businewss put him to work. Giannini had a smattering of formal education but was a string personality who attended the Heald’s schools at night…. age age 30, Giannini’s mindwas way ahead of his peers…. he retired at age 30 with $1,00,000 and took the attitude that One million was enough for nay man……; retired but his Father in law had possessded a seat on Columus Ave Savings Association….. his wife’ family asked him to take dad’ seat on the board of Directors…. at end of the 6 months A>P. tol;d those folks to cash out the family’s holdings because they did not knoew tgeior buisiness!

    The man went next door, bought out the lease of the ‘Mick’ who operasted a bar…. then set up what was to become the Bank of America. The ‘secret of his success? Common sense and a concern for those poor immigrANTS WHO KEPT THE MONEY OF THEIR SMALL BUSINESS UNDER THE FLOOR BOARDS OF SHOP OR HOME. ( a LITERAL FACT)….. IN tHOSE DAYS UNLESS YOU WERE WHITE DCAME FROM A FAMILY OF GOOD BREEDING AND HAD A MINIMUM OF $100,000 TO DEPOSIT… YOU WERE NOT DEMMED ELIGIBLE TO BE TRUSTEED WITH A TEXT BOOK NOR ACCESS TO A SAVINGS ACCT……..

    lONG WINDED STORY BUT IT POINTS OUT THAT AN ACTIVE MIND, PLEASANT DECENT PERSONALITY WITH WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC IS OFTEN A BETTER CHOICE THAN THE SNOT WHO HAD MO0EY IN HIS POCKET AND WENT LACKING FOR NOTHING IN WORLDLY DESIRE IS NOT TO BE FULLY TRUSTED WITHOUT DEMONSTRATION OF TRUE ABILITY.
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    iN THE CASE OF mR. aRMAS, ARE YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIS hISTORY AS A cITY mANAGER IN hAYWARD?

    iT WAS HE WNO BROUGFHT THE CUTRRENT cITY HALL INTO BEING WHAT IOT IS, AT THE EBST POSSUIBLE LOCATION! sO TOO WITH THE bURBANK SCHOOL…… FRANKLY husD LACKED THE SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE, AT ANY LEVEKL, TO HAVE BROUGHT THE NEW bURBANK SCHOOL INTO BEING WHAT IT IS…. A CENTER POINT IN EDUCATIONAL STRUCTURES WITH ADJACEMNT AMENITIOES OF INCREDIBLE SCOPE NEAR THE rr STOP AT WEST END OF ‘b’ STREET…. A REDEVELOPED hard pARK A NEW SCHOOL, PHASED ACQUISITION OF THE hUNTS CANNERY SITE, WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT TO MUCH IMPROVED HOME QUALITY IN THE AREA… AND THGE SQUEZED TEH NEW LOW INCOME HOUSING AT CORNER OF c AND gRAND INTO THE MIX……. i THINK HIM EASILY ABLE TO THINK HIS WAY THROUGH husd PROPBLEMS….. BUT EVEN HE NEEDS HELP IN THE AREA OF A CO-OPERATIVE SPIRIT FROM ALL STAKE HOLDERS IN THE cITY AS WELL AS husd.

    lET ME REPEAT A STATEMENT i MADE TO THE GROWTH mGT tASK FORCE IN THE EARLY 1990′S WHEN i PUBLICLY STATED THAT THE cITY AND THE sCHOOL DISTRICT ARE SO INTERTWINED THROUGH THE UIUSE OF THE NAME hAYWARD, THAT THEY EACH CAN NOT BE IMPROVED WITH OUT SIMULTANEOUS IMPROVEMENT TO BOTH.

    sO THE CHALLENGE IS THIS: “aRE YOU READY TO SERVE BOTH BY PARTICIPATORY, PERSONAL INVOLVE,MENT IN TOWN HALL MEETING?

    yES THE OLD MAN WAS mR. pETERSON WHO SAT WITH MOUTH AGAPE WITHOUT BRING THE MEETING TO ORDER WHEN THE ‘sTUDENT BOARD MEMBER WHEN ON AN 11 MINUTE RANT ATTACKING mR. pETRERSON FOR NOT HAVIONG SETTLED THE STRIKE…. EACH TIME THAT KID STOPPED TO CATCH HIS BREATH, HALF THE AUDIENCE STOOD UP AND CHEEREWD THE YOUNGSTER ON. 11 MINUTES OF PURE RANT CHEERED BY PARENTS AND TEACHERS ALIKE.

    tHE MAN WAS WELL PAST HIS YEARS OF MENTAL ACUITY NEEDED TO HOLD THE GAVEL. vIGIL SAT AT HIS SIDE AND THE TETE A TETE IN WHISPERS WAS A VIOLATION OF GOOD GOVERNNANCE REQUIRING SEPARATION OF sUPT’S AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PRE-SIDEING BOARD MEMBER…. THE RATIONALE FOR THAT????? sIMPLE: IF IT IS WORTH SAYING SPEAK IT OUT LOUD UNDER THE RULES OF rOBERT’S LITTLE BOOK ON CORRECT PROCEDURES. iF IT IS WORTH SAYING DO IT OUT LOUD WHERE ALL ATTENDING CAN HAVE THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING WHAT IS TREANSPIRING AT PUBLIC MEETINGS OF THE BOARD,.
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  • John Kyle

    gEEZ….. READ bANK OF iTALY AS BEING THE TITLE OF a.p’S. BANK DURING IT’S FIRST 24 YEARS.

    i GET STARTED AND THE WORDS FLOW POORLY SPELLED AND TOO LENGTHY…. BUT COPY AND PASTE IS FAR FEOM MY MIND. 20 MINUTES LATER I HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME TO DO IT RIGHT!

  • teachermama

    Hey, Jeff, what did I do? I’m just sticking up for the ‘Ward, because there are large groups of people out there who mischaracterize our community, as John Kyle’s story illustrates. I do admit to feeling passionate, anxious, overwhelmed, and more about the issues we discuss here, but I do my best to keep it civil and maintain a sense of humor. There are far more abusive commentators in this forum, as I’m sure you have seen.

    By the way, John Kyle, you get to tell the story, but you don’t get to dictate what people take away from it. I didn’t “miss the point” entirely, I mediated what I read through the lense of my experience. That’s how communication works.

  • teachermama

    Also, I’m not sure if “I’m done with you, lady” is an effective way to negotiate difference in opinions, agendas or beliefs. I’ll try it on my students or my kid and get back to you.

  • Justwatching

    A good resource that new and aspiring School Board Members should review is this web link: http://www.csba.org/AboutCSBA.aspx.

    Take a look under the heading of “Learn More” and select “School Board Leadership:The role and function of California’s Schools Boards.

  • John Kyle

    Teachermama

    Were you there during the interviews with prospective replacements to board of trustees?

    I don’t think so! The person to whom I addressed the remark (“O’bama neww age”) is obstinate in her insistence that after listening to 10 applicants, run on for quite a while in their opening remarks, then after each trustee asked a single question and heard some pretty poor responses, permitted closing remarks by each applicant.

    O’Bama new age insists that a propere procedure would have been to debate the qualities of each before, (after completion of interviewa,) making a descision.

    That idea was based on O’bama’ new age idea that her concept of propcedure was only fair….. thus denying the charitable act that trustees performed by going straight to the appointment of Mr. Armas.

    O’bama new age fails to see how embarassing that would have been when discussing the weaknesses in self expression as well as knowledge of Trustee reponsibility, (or on the cusp, limited strengths of at least seven).

    Part of the respect you pay an applicant whose desire to be of service is that their desire often exceeds qualifications, especially in areas involvintg public speaking and / or personal inability in analysis of their own qualifications.

    In short Trustees exhibited ‘charity’ by avoiding exposition of candidate wweakness…..an inevitable result of the action which O’Bama new age espoused.

    O’bama new age suffers from the problem which would have denied her own access to the board had she applied. Motor mouthing complaints, as a stand alone talent, is something which I choose to avoid. Thus my abrupt remark deemed necessary to break off further exchange with that person.

    You do not get paid to do that with your students! Quite the contrary, they are too young and immature to handle that!

    I hear as well as reAD what you say and respect your classroom experience as well as leadership within the peer group. However you freighten me with thoughts that you feed upon your own experience a bit too much.

    Fo that reason, if, as and when a Town hall Meeting is ever held I would prefer anyone employed by HUSD, whether living within the district or not, would avoid direct involvment in that event. Attend the activity if you must, but limit your involvment to observation of the flow in the action. There is solid rationale for that if you care to explore it further.

    I do think I imentioned the point in one of my Month of March submissions.

    Or if you prefer I could address that problem in a general letter to HEA where A READ OF communications from the ‘outside’ are permitted members. Right?

  • K Rocchio

    For what it is worth … on the topic of the seating arrangement. I understand the question. I also believe that anyone thinking there is no longer an issue with information/thoughts being shared during public session, check again. I believe applicant William McGee answered this question very nicely when he spoke of the importance of delineation.

    In regards to the process of deliberation, I speak as one of the applicants apparently benefiting from the “charity” exhibited by the Trustees. I feel it would have been more respectful to the applicants, as well as the community, had there been some discussion involved in this appointment. After my own interview, I was allowed to stay in the room and hear from the other applicants. I was very impressed by what I heard. I was not embarrassed for any applicant based on the motivating factor that brought each one of us there that day! Every single one of us was there to offer our time and our best efforts to improve this District. We all knew what we were in for going through a public interview process. I find it a bit patronizing to hear that some believe it was simply an effort to spare our pride that caused the Trustees to move directly to an appointment. There are ways to move through such a process with tact and grace. I do not disagree that Mr. Armas is qualified for this seat. I do wish that the conflict had been more clearly addressed (and yes, I do believe it may be an issue). However, Mr. Armas was not the only qualified applicant and if you were to witness the “deliberation” that might be what you felt walking away.

    There is a statement above that desire of some applicants might exceed the qualifications. Desire should never be underestimated. This quote from Michel de Montaigne says something of desire … “Desire and hope will push us on toward the future”. Let’s hope it is that desire we find in all of our Trustees.

  • chris

    I do not know if anyone was at that meeting, but the only person that has his head screwed on properly is Mr. Reynoso. I think that Mr. Pringles potato chip guy (Frumkin), should respect the wishes of Mr R. and put her off to the side. One other thing about this meeting which goes to show where the intentions of this district are at, is the fact that although the parents from Park School, that were there to show support of their PrinciPAL Ruthie, were put at the bottom of the pile of Yellow CARDS, which allow us to speak at the all mighty altar. This was a childish manuever, and they knew that we were the first group there (4:30). I wish that all of the board members cared about this district as much as MR Reynoso.

  • teachermama

    John Kyle, I am a HEA member, but not involved in the union leadership.

  • John Kyle

    Teachermama,
    A member but without access to the scribbles directed that way?

    Well, must I assume that HEA lacks interest in anything I have to say and as consequence the effort goes into ‘the trash? ? If that assumption is correct, then I beg answer to this question?

    Why is HEA not part of the problem?

  • Jeff

    Chris, I respectfully disagree with you on Mr. Reynoso. I watched the board meeting from 7:30pm to 11:30pm when if finally ended. I did love at the very end when Mr. Reynoso wanted to add an item on the agenda but no one on the board would second the agenda item. He demanded it like a child that did nto get his way. While everyone else just left their seats and the meeting adjourned. Maybe at the next meeting he will stand on the table until the board agrees to put his agenda item into the meeting.

    I find Mr. Reynoso to be very unprofessional. Who cares where the superintedent is sitting. Mr. Reynoso claims he wants the community to know this detail and that detail but it is all mostly irrevelent in my opinion. He is trying to micromanage the school district. Some of the simple voting procedures during the meeting that should have been taken care of in a few mintues becomes a 10 minute ordeal because of Reynoso.

    The diffcult job this year is similar to last year, make the cuts that is necessary due to the budget cuts. All the easy reduction have already been made. Now the reductions will very much affect the students. Everyone is trying to protect their piece of the pie that is shrinking drasticlly.

    I believe I heard during the meeting that the distric is loosing approximately $800 per sutdent. Maybe the parents should consider paying out of their own pockets, $66.66 per month.

    The teacher’s union rep knows where the some of the cost reduction will be coming from and she is not happy about it.

    Lots of difficult choices will need to made by the board memebers.