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Law of the land, in HayWord

By Eric Kurhi
Monday, September 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm in Alameda County, General, Hayward, Odds & Ends.

computer copHeard back from the online team. We’re going to enforce the HayWord policy regarding personal attacks via a user ban.  If you violate the policy and post a personal attack on another user, you will be barred from participating in the comments on the site, indefinitely. This will be your only warning.

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  • http://None Kathi Booth

    THANK YOU ERIC.

  • Lucy’s Mom

    Eric,

    Thank you very much!

  • qodrn

    And we are off! What to watch, Chuck or House! Decisions Decisions…

  • Michael Moore

    Eric, good job. Thanks. Looking forward to more and varied topics.

  • Matt Artz

    The threat of a ban seems empty because anyone wishing to get around a ban would simply have to choose a new pseudonym and scrable his ip address, which is easy to do with an anonymous proxy server: http://hidemyass.com/

  • Monica Ruiz

    Good policy.

  • John W. Kyle

    Thank you Mr. Kurhi!

    I particularly like the part suggesting avoidance of nom de plume use.

    Now, I ask what the difficulty is with the Town Hall Meeting idea. All seem to have avoided the subject. I again suggest that there be open discussion at which I would attempt to allay all fear that ‘it is too difficult’ or that the idea is outmoded or won’t work. (As in the examples seen within TV newscasts during the last national election.)

    If you know anything about our national history before, or after, the USA won it’s independence, the town hall meetings were the only available paths for conduct of public business, when dealing with the need for roads, bridges, schools etc. City and County Government just did not exist in large areas of the nation, even in areas near large cities.

    Our basis for that idea in present time, is that we have no effective manner of communicating ideas for which the community, as a group, wishes a formal response from Board of Trustees. In other words, formalize the suggestion and response process, as between ‘community’ and school trustees.

    Avoid annoying, constant complaint within the ’public comment’ period, while achieving a more proactive, rational and formal solution to those complaints involving real problems which become vexatious when not addressed.

    We must avoid inappropriate use of the public comment period at Trustee meetings but provide a venue to resolve or at least examine apparently legitimate complaints as well as offer possible solutions to the Board of Trustees when complaints or suggestions for improvement of service are well examined by qualified folks selected from the electorate.

    Use the following address to gain access to the City of Hayward’s website: http://www.hayward-ca/gov and when the website comes up, go to the column on the left and ‘click’ on “Commissions“

    When the items described as particular commissions appear, you will have opportunity to click ‘members’ on any one of them to raise and observe the names of the various members who are volunteers in service to community!. These unpaid, selected volunteers are appointed by the City Council from a list of applicants. Thus does the City gain ’openness’ by participants of those who aid the City by examination of issues, then suggesting or recommending solutions to the Council before any action is taken by the City’s staff!
    .
    Click on the item ‘Planning Commission’ then in their turn, to the Library Commission, Redevelopment Commission, etc. If the print appears too small use the enlargement button on the tool bar.

    Read the qualifications at top of the page; Note the meeting schedules, time and place of the meetings for each group. All are accessible to the public! .

    When the concept is adopted, what rationale could be employed which would deny HUSD the opportunity to use the concept as an aid to education? I see but one potential negative which reasonable staff members in HUSD administration might offer as objection to the concept as a whole. That thought resolves around natural resistance to ‘new’ procedures. It might be resolved by use of an initial period of accelerated meeting frequency. It is important to be aware of the fact that reasonable people are capable of reasonable solutions!

    That is a free source of qualitative labor and when you break it down into segments or specific areas of interest for each group you broaden the numbers of volunteers whose interests and experience are properly fitted to employment history, education and community interest! It all becomes less complicated in terms of time and efficiency to say nothing of usefulness in gaining quietude at Board Meetings. OUR KIDS NEED a better perception of adults than what presently occurs with their observance of Board meetings.

    A town hall meeting is a gathering of folks possessing various skills, educational levels and interest which might easily see development of assistance to HUSD such as that experienced by the City. Without hiring expensive experts for studies which never seem to bring desire to fruition.

    To accomplish the initial self imposed tasks, the Town Hall meeting would NOT BE A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES! Thus, no need to meet the conditions imposed by the Brown Act. Which is to say, we eliminate the need for public comments as we have come to know them. For example, public comments which go on forever without rational understanding or possible accomplishment.

    On the other hand,, the Town Hall Meeting attendees would be expected to participate proactively for about three hours within a meeting lasting no more than 3.5 hours and occurring on a weeknight or perhaps a Saturday morning. .

    Starting with a brief ( 15 MINUTE ) oral introduction of the basic plan and purpose, the entire assembly would sort itself into groups with a maximum number of 20 participants each.. That gives all nearly 5 minutes to put forward their own ideas. That process takes another 90 minutes ( If more time is needed and space is available, break the groups down to 15 participants each.)

    After the expiration of the 90 minutes period the re- assembly of all into a single group would occur, an hour and 45 minutes has by that time expired.

    The remainder of the 3.5 hours would be give over to a 15 minute break and a ’wrap up’ by the leader of each group, selected by the group, to present the highlights of the three best ideas put forward by the group: as chosen by the group.

    The group leaders would be asked to re-assemble within a week for the purpose of ranking the relative worth of all the ideas put forward by those previously assembled. While being careful to preserve the other thoughts.

    The entire list of ideas would be saved for a second meeting involving the group leaders.

    One basic purposeful action, would be to avoid overwhelming the trustees by limiting immediate creation of all proposed commissions or ‘ad hoc’ groups. An all at once rush is self defeating.. Three at a time until the basics are seen working in each group of three.

    On the occasion of creating the first group of three ( commissions or ad hoc,) a call for volunteer applicants would be circulated among the entire list of attendees at the initial meeting. With the establishment of the ‘frame’ a call for volunteers would be directed first to the attendees at the Town Hall meeting. So that 10 or 12 folks would be selected to initiate the first actions, tied to the overall purpose of the initial intentions about which the selected members are asked to support. Through this concept we are likely to see beneficial results for students, the administration, the trustees and above all, the taxpayers..

    The process would be repeated until all the major points introduced by the initial Town Hall meeting attendees are effectively brought to the benefit of the entire community.

    In pursuit of that idea I would expect to see an early ad hoc group composed of volunteers from the ranks of active retirees dedicated to raising funds in support of students involved with athletics, music and theatrical programs.

    Vox clamantis in deserto! (A voice crying in the desert !)

    J. W. KYLE

  • John W. Kyle

    All or anyone;

    Please advise all names of candidates to election or re-election to HUSD trustees as well as the place and time of the next candidate nigh….. On Thursday? ?

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    There are many of us who have given service to the city on commissions. Each of us who have gone through the interview process and passed muster. I myself spent 8 years as a Personnel Commissioner, the last 3 or 4 as the chairperson. Not that it matters to some who post on this cite. Volunteer service comes in many forms.
    Never have I read where the public must refrain from criticism or venting thier frustrations at a board of education meeting. It, like the City Council meetings, provides for public comment on items that are not on the regular agenda. Many people, muster a great deal of courage to voice their concerns during this period provided for the public.

    The mere fact that they choose to “vent” or demand answers to their questions in a fashion that is not pleasing to some who are present or watch via the tv, has no relevance to their right to do so. If it is unpleasant for the elected officials or the viewing public they have the right to “tune the comments out”.

    As long as the speaker does not threaten violence or mayhem, the method they choose to air their opinions or commentary belongs to the speaker.

    We may all wish for proper decorum at a meeting, however barring a riot, each of us must be responsible for our own actions.

    In the case of the board of education, they by the very fact that they are elected individuals, are held to a higher standard for proper decorum. In the case of this board, NONE OF THEM HAVE CLEAN HANDS, THEY ARE ALL GUILTY OF INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR. While Mr. Reynoso is loud, assertive and aggressive in his commentary, each of the others behave in a passive aggressive manner. They, including the superintendent, roll their eyes, sigh, laugh, smirk, carry on private conversations, all while the public is speaking or Mr. Reynoso is speaking. That in itself is insulting. They send the message that what a person is saying should be dismissed and has no value. The final act of three of them came at the last meeting when they removed themselves during the board comment period. Oh yes they made a statement. For me, it said “I’m gonna take my ball and go play somewhere else”. Shades of the actions of 7year olds. How proud we must all be of such conduct by a majority of the board. They cannot control their dislike for a fellow colleague when in public. Such a fine example.

    Last comment I will make on this blog concerning the current board of education. It is my hope that the two 4 year terms will be filled by new people. It is also my hope that Mr. Armas will have a replacement too. I had hoped that he would not stoop to the level of the others, unfortunately he cannot control his personal feelings any better.

  • qodrn

    Speaking of the land, tomorrow Cal State opens. Carlos Bee is a mess, they are working on the downtown bypass there as well on Mission. Tomorrow they will be REPAVING Mission Blvd right there by Carlos Bee also. Is Hayward out to get Cal State East Bay? Woe to those who have funerals at the cemetary tomorrow…

  • John W. Kyle

    Qdrn;

    Sorry, but am unable to commiserate with tme delay of funeral processions due to paving delays at Mission Blvd near Carlos Bee intersection.

    I have attended a few where the Funeral Director takes the ‘procession’ along Santa Clara to w. Harder and then, still desireous of avoiding Mission, turns off Harder at Gading / Patrick route to Tennyson and finally to Mission where traffic thins out a bit.

    Besides, I would think that the ‘honoree’ would be in no hurry to end the ride where the lack of notion, except during earthquakes, would be something of a bore. ( Assuming of course, that there is even a thought of awareness after the ‘sheets are pulled up’ !
    Now that I think of it, as a sore loser in the 238 Bypass argument, I might direct that my funeral cortege take a run up second street, then using Campus DRIVE TO CARLOS BEE, DOWN TO MISSION, THEN ALONG MISSION AT 2 mph SO THAT LAST AUTO IS ALWAYS PRESENT…. BEFORE REACHING THE ‘marble orchard’.
    A minor event but revenge in any form, even if limited to thought, can be enjoyed !

  • John W. Kyle

    A continuation of item 6 above.. Call it Chapter 2 ?

    In July 2010 I mailed out a single page letter to 16 Faith based groups ( churches ) which saw inclusion of the My Word’ article entitled “Civic participation can save schools”. It was published on April 30th in the Bay Area News Group’s Daily Review. Not a single response was seen in ‘letters to the editor’ nor was there a response from 15 of the 16 local churches to whom the letter was addressed. The letter was addressed separately to each of the churches. It had sought from each church some expression of interest for support of Hayward Schools by congregants of those churches.

    Only one has expressed interest in contributing some effort towards solving Hayward Unified School District’s obvious need for assistance.

    All Saints Catholic Church has yet to ’buy in’ to open support of the Town Hall Meeting concept but is fully aware that the children of it’s congregation are present, in fairly large representation at HUSD Classrooms.

    In the July 20, 2010 issue of the Oakland Diocesan newspaper, ‘The Catholic Voice’ there is mention of recognition by the California Catholic bishops conference’ that 9 out of every 10 Catholic Children attend public schools with figures even higher for Latino children.

    I suspect that the reluctance to form a response to my July letter by other churches, is associated with fear of potential criticism involving separation of Church and State. Leadership at All Saints was fully aware of that pitfall when it was suggested that the name of All Saints could not be mentioned for fear it would raise hackles if seen erroneously, as with ‘force dejure’ or ’force majeure’ in violation of some interpretation of the separation of church and state.

    There is strong need of preachment from the pulpit on the subject of duty to children. (Matt 19, 13-16 ; Mark 10. 13-16 ; Luke 18 15- 17; ) Which is easily seen as duty to attend to a child’s education.

    If that is insufficient in an appeal for participation, take the viewpoint of need to assure tax dollars are used judiciously.

    I hope that the various faith groups recognize the need to gather in aid of establishing and participating in a Town Hall Meeting as furtherance of need to assure a child’s education, considered proper in any group of citizens, regardless of religious outlook; or the lack of it!

    Perhaps dear reader, you will bring this to the attention of your own Pastor !

  • qodrn

    Us folks lucky enough to live near the funeral area kind of need to get out before 10:30 or after 2:00 pm, otherwise, you wait for a funeral to go by. Most are short, but I have waited quite some time for a number of them. I have had to reschedule appointments, things like that. Not a biggie I suppose, but some weeks it can be pretty bad, especially if it is a BIG one with fire trucks, etc. I have actually gone back home several times.

  • Sherry Blair

    Wow. What a difference a rule makes! Marshall Ganz said that, although his generation didn’t like structure, the right kind of structure is actually necessary to be really free(or something like that.)

    There’s enough work to get done that we all need to focus now.

  • teachermama

    Qodrn, the U. never should have changed their name. This must be the city’s revenge. :)

  • John W. Kyle

    All: This is a discussion on the behaviors of Mr. Reynoso. I am not the first to undertake a critique of Mr. Reynoso. ASt the last meeting in August ( ?) two representatives of the Hayward area Chapter of Naacp delivered a critque of the man which was critical of his behavior.
    ……
    In defense of those Board members who departed the September 8, Board meeting while Mr. Reynoso was delivering his lengthy, repetitious comments ( rant ?) very near the actual conclusion of the meeting. It would be well to consider that Mr. Reynoso has become his own worst enemy in efforts to achieve anything at all as a member of the Board of Trustees.

    To begin, the man seeks answers to questions he asks of staff during discussions of matters presented to the Board by staff. Dutifully, staff members attempt to provide answers or elaborate on answers in response to questions from Reynoso. However, Reynoso reveals a repetitious weakness when he interrupts an answer with another question. Simply put, that is an ill mannered action on the part of Mr. Reynoso. It is tantamount to abuse of staff personnel !

    How many times have we seen Mr. Reynoso interrupt the conversation of another trustee to inject some real or imagined complaint but should any of the others act so rudely as to interrupt him, he becomes abusive in his demands that they not interrupt.

    His almost constant complaint that the Board is acting illegally in certain instances of actions by the Board, has become such a major factor in his thought processes as to cause frequent charges of ‘illegality’ so often that one can only wonder why he fails to approach the courts for injunction or whatever remedy is needed to stop the so called illegal actions.

    Early in the last meeting, he rose from his seat waving a handful of paper, while pacing back and forth between his seat on the dais to a point elevated above the Board’s secretary, demanding that she project the pages in question upon the screen on the wall above the Dais.Reynoso had the page in his hansd on the previous Friday. Had he done his reading assignment, he had all day Monday and Tuesday as well as the better part of the meeting date, to seek a slide production of the page he wanted projected on the screen.

    The man was distraught at the idea that secretary had no slide to use for what he thought he needed. Had he placed those few pages on the table top adjacent to public speakers lectern, there might have been a chance to project that material on the screen. That would need some method of magnification in order to project the material in a readable condition. Had he kept his ‘cool’ he might simply have read the pages aloud since it was appearant that they were part of the total package supplied to Trustees prior to the weekend preceding the Meeting of Sept. 8, 2010. Or in a cooler moment he might have asked his colleagues to follow his reading of the pages which we assumed were already before them.

    It was obvious the man was upset….but the question is, why?

    Mr. Reynoso has lost respect for himself due to his strong tendency to engage in rant !

    When his colleagues began to depart, they left the man to his own devices. They had heard the rant on more than a single occasion. A person would have to be masochistic to find excuse for remaining during the ‘loss of cool’ exhibition.

    The single greatest piece of advice that I offer him is that if he truly believes that something illegal is occurring on a regular almost systematic basis, he has a duty to bring the matter forward to whatever authority will achieve correction.

    Failing in that idea, he ought become far less demonstrative than he has been in the last six or seven months. Either that or resign lest his present public image precede him in his next place of formal employment.

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    How interesting that the squeeky wheel gets all of the attention. I don’t believe anyone is defending the actions of Mr. Reynoso during board meetings. Certainly not me. I have attempted on numerous occasions to point out that what happened during the meeting of Sept. 8, 2010 was almost like the “pot calling the kettle black”.

    Once again I point to the subtle, but no less inappropriate, conduct of the others seated with Mr. Reynoso. Unlike Mr. Reynoso, they do not hesitate to smirk, whisper, laugh or roll their eyes when a member of the public is speaking. This behavior is actually more offensive, because it is an act of dismissal to the person who has attempted to speak to the board. It is as disrespectful.

    In the case of Mr. Reynoso, at least he does not behave in such a dismissive manner when the public is speaking to the board, even when they are directing critiscism at him. He appears to be listening, he does not lean into the ear of a colleague to whisper, nor does he smirk, laugh, or do any of the other things that the passive aggressives do.

    ALL of the members of the board, and the superintendent, should take a class on proper decorum. It would serve them well.

  • John W. Kyle

    Teacher Mama;

    Why would the City consider an act of revenge?

    It was the electorate of this City which let Cal State down when it renegged on the promise made prior to construction of the University, that there would be easy automotive access to the campus. *i.e. 238 extension around the ‘down’ town’s central business district)

    A setgment of the electorate, based in the hills of Hayward and an employer of the main leader, ( a local resident) who wrought the eventual denial of construction of that automotive access ( 238 bypass) who undermined the promised access.

    That left Cal State in position of trying to accomodate students, a large segment of whom, had difficulty in gaining access and scheduling classes while faced with the need to find emoployment at distances which eventuated to that conflicted with widely separated needs.

    Consequently Cal State created satellite Campiuses in Central Contra Costa Counrt as well as in Oakland so that the ‘commute’ time conflicts were eased for students in those communities.

    It eventuated that name ‘Cal State Hayward’ was not reflective of the areas that better served the needs of students harmed by the failure of Hayward to meet the earlier promise.

    So…. Cal State East Bay it is and there is nothing Hayward can do but cry!

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    For those of you that did not see the board meeting tonight, I suggest that you try to look at the replay/video. A Mr. Liggabill (don’t know if I spelled it right) spoke under items from the community.

    This gentleman did a very good job of putting the majority of the board and Mr. Frumpkin in particular, in their place. He pointed out that they have been consistently not followe procedure when there is a motion on the floor…In an effort to silence Mr. Reynoso, Mr. Frumpking has been calling the “question” and moving to the vote,without first calling for any discussion. This attempt to keep Reynoso quiet is a violation of Roberts Rules of Order and probably parliamentary procedure.

    He recognized that what Mr. Reynoso has been calling for the majority, and Mr. Frumpkin to do, is simply follow proper procedure and the officially recognized rules for conducting a meeting.

    So, is Mr.Reynoso “bullying” the board by demanding that they follow proper procedure? No he is not. Does he raise his voice and interrupt while attempting to make the president follow procedure? Yes he does.

    I ask, in reality who is really the bully?????? Perhaps the wrong person is being blamed and scapegoated.

  • John W. Kyle

    To all:

    The crux of the problem with Reynoso is his disturbing habit of interrupting those, ( Particularly staff members) who while arrempting to answer the man’s incessant demands, are rudely interrupted, to find themselves intimidated by another question. In short he abuses staff with his requests for information which in reality is seen as a cheap replay of a scene from Hollywood’s idea of ‘…the third degree interrogation of crime’.

    All can imagine the predicament of a staff member who on the days preceding a ‘meeting night’ spend extra time in preparation, only to find themselves in a lengthy, exhaaustive seeminbgly endless day often exceeding 15 hours before being ‘released’ to the trip home!

    Reynoso is a morale buster whose efforts at gamesmanship might see an expensive recall election with adverse affect upon HUSD’s supply of money!

    When Reynoso’s efforts to earn an advanced degree are completed…. his reputation will precede him and make it a bit difficult to find employment.

    Mr. Armas is to be congratulated for his analysis of the role of the Attorny General which is to render the Att’y General’s opinion on a subject. An opinion from one man who apparently is pressed from all sides by the Reynoso types, is just, an opinion, which in all probability is the result of an assignment to a law clerk.

    Mr. Reynoso loves reading, repetitously, prepared notes sppesring on his computer screen…. on and on etc. providing time to viewers at home to re-visit the fridgr….??

    .

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    So Mr. Kyle are you going to be the standard bearer for the community and institute an attempt to recall Mr. Reynoso? I wonder how you will find the time to do that in between your endless research on the effect of parolees being returned to the community and how they will directly impact the business of HUSD to increase ADA money. Are there enough hours in the day for you to take on another task?

  • John W. Kyle

    Ms Boot,

    As usual you are off on one of your tangents emanating from some problem with your ability to hear. Suggest you adjust hearing volume on your TV set or await website opportunity for review.

    NO APOLOHGY EXPECTED FROM YOU! I believe you incapable of admitting your own errors based on imperious attitude

    . One of mine is that I tend to rsepond too quickly to inane comments. Mea culpa!

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    Mr. Kyle,

    You referred last night and again in your posting to a recall. I only asked if you were going to be the spearhead of such a movement.

    You take offense at some of the most ridiulous things.

    If I had posted or said something that needed an apology, I would indeed offer one. You on the other hand have never once apologized for your attacks upon other posters. You are of course entitled to your opinions, however you need not stoop to the level of posting them. Which is why I believe Mr. Kuhri set a new/revised code of conduct for the blog.

  • John W. Kyle

    To all:

    This is a reply to Ms. Booth’s # 9 posted on Sept 21, 2010 under the topic “Law of the land in Hayword”. The lady begins by reminding all, of her many years as a volunteer in the functions of HUSD‘s Personnel Commission for which service I commend Ms. Booth..

    I believe Ms. Booth was attempting to make a point in opposition to mine at Position # 7. under the same topic heading. May I suggest that blog readers again read both items ?

    At item # 9 under the topic “Law of the Land in Hayword” dated Sept. 20TH , Ms. Booth writes “Never have I read where the public must refrain from criticism or venting their frustrations at a board of education meeting. It, like the City Council meetings, provides for public comment on items that are not on the regular agenda.”

    To which I reply: SEE AND UNDERSTAND THAT City Council meetings are preceded with a visual, written notice of expectations in behaviors, posted on the electronic screens above and behind the dais. At City Council meetings, behaviors such as was seen at the March 2006, HUSD appearance of the ‘Charquin Group’ are prohibited in the more subdued, more acceptable atmosphere of mutual respect seen consistently occurring between public comment speakers and Council Members at City meetings.

    Unlike HUSD, City council has a highly regarded technique to control and prevent such audacious and inexplicable outbursts of shear anger seen occurring and involving parents and teachers at Board meetings. There was an outrageous occurrence at an HUSD Board meeting, where a school teacher encouraged attendance of students who eventuated to use of Sol Alinsky’s little trick of laying down on the floor before the dais, around the speakers lectern before the dais and in the aisles leading to that area. On that occasion the Board President ruled for a recess and the entire group of Board Members, left the meeting for about 20 minutes, before resuming it’s business tasks!. Question: How many members of the TV viewing audience, on that occasion, turned to another station, never to return? Do they vote on matters pertaining to HUSD?

    Was that an appropriate demonstration of teaching skills ?

    Writer at # 9 continues …. ‘As long as the speaker does not threaten violence or mayhem, the method they choose to air their opinions or commentary belongs to the speaker‘ and further along she states, “We may all wish for proper decorum at a meeting, however barring a riot, each of us must be responsible for our own actions.”

    Inappropriate behaviors as I point them out above and below, are permissible?

    Writer of those lines fails recognition of the presence of ‘student board members’ representing High Schools of HUSD while also offered opportunity to learn from the experience. Learn what?

    During the teacher’s strike, the representative student from Tennyson High school went on a rant lasting well in excess of 10 minutes….. Each occasion that he paused to catch his breath, parents and supporters, obviously from the area associated with Tennyson, rose from their to cheer, yell and clap at the performance of that student who eventuated to the point of unfair, totally inappropriate personal remarks about the President of the Board.

    That excessive use of free ( licentious) speech was abhorrent and seen as antithesis of ‘a learning opportunity’ offered by appointment of that individual to student representation at Board meetings..

    I beg to differ with the author of item # 9. There is a stronger standard of comportment at HUSD Meeting’s use of public comments which is not being properly employed. She has lived long enough in the Community to be well aware of how the City handles contentious issues which might otherwise evolve into expressions of emotional, incomprehensible anger of the type seen at HUSD meetings.

    Adhere to acceptable comportment as enforced at City Council meetings, which by the way have been successful in the sense that public has chosen to follow and appreciate the City’s example by simple avoidance of the distressing permissiveness frequently seen at HUSD Board meetings. Respect must become mutual.

    Another policy followed by Council would have avoided that which happened at the March 2006 appearance of those involved with Charquin project.

    Council has a rule when dealing with contentious issues. Opponents or proponents of a contentious issue are advised to gather together, choose a leader who will be allowed five minutes and two additional speakers, chosen from those whom the first represents, are each allowed three additional minutes. The premise is that if you are unable to address an issue within 11 minutes, then you need to study your case a bit.

    Dare I remind that the Gettysburg address was initially judged, in the negative sense, when it failed to last at least an hour!

    Author continues with…. ‘We may wish for proper decorum at a meeting, however barring a riot, each of us must be responsible for our own actions’

    The phrase ‘barring a riot’ was an implied acceptance of a ‘near riot’ as was seen in the example experienced with the Tennyson Student Board Member coupled to parental demonstration during the strike. Dealing with individual responsibility? The City handles that superbly!

    Now, if I could figure a way to see this critique published, on a broader inexpensive basis, I would do it!

  • John W. Kyle

    Ms. Booth;

    In response to #23 – — — had you listened a bit closer you might have yheard me expreess distaste FO ‘RECALL’ DUE TO THE HEAVY EXPANESE THAT WOULD BRING DOWN upon HUSD’S ALREADY STRESSED BUDGET.

    you continue comments upon my objevctions, expressed in the blog, to those contributors who would rob a good man of his reputation. One in paricular was licentuous in her ‘charges’ that the man was disreputable.

    Dear Lady, I would defend you if I thought your own reputation was beeing subjected to licentious behavior.
    Frankly ‘attacks’ upon those using license in public comments, especially when cowards use ‘nom de plume’ when engaged in thaqt activity ought be enough for this newspaper to ban use of that opportunity to escape responsibility for that behavior.

    Does it offend you to ask why you chose to defend the scribbles of Obama new age; even after that scurrilous statement that IN EFFECT SAID I WAS STALKING HER DAUGHTER.

    yOUR ATTEMPT AT LEGAL ADVICE TO THAT WOMAN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT YOU.

    BUT I HAVE CANCELLED THE LAWSUIT ! I KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS….. FINANCIALLY AS WELL AS MORALLY BROKE! NO HOPE FOR DAMAGES WORTH TALKINBG ABOUT!

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    Mr. Kyole,

    Once and for all there was no legal advice given to Obama newage regarding her fears for her personal safety. You get so caught up in trying to discredit me that you lose sight of the issue.

    With regards to your comments about me or my family, yes indeed you owe me an apology. your claims that I have practiced law without a license, that I was mentally unstable, your release of information regarding what you believe is a health condition of a member of my family…on and on and on.

    I have NEVER even alluded to your mental state, made assumpitons about your spouse’s physical health, accused you of practicing anything without a license, alluded to a lack of intelligence..referred to any of your “neighbors” taking any action regarding anyone.

    I have simply called you on your behavior, your cruelty, and corrected you when I believed that you had misinterpreted a legal issue regarding schools. For the most part I have been respectful, refrained from name calling and attempted to stay on point.

    So who should apologize?????????????

    I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT IF YOU POST IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ME OR ANY OTHER BLOGGER I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOU.

    I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL CORRECT ANY MISINFORMATION THAT YOU PUT OUT WHEN I CAN BACK UP THOSE CORRECTIONS WITH EDUCATION CODE, BOARD POLICY, BOARD BY-LAWS, AND OTHER LEGAL RESOURCES. NO ONE MUST BE ALLOWED TO MISINFORM THE PUBLIC. NOT YOU, NOT MR. ARMAS, NOT MR. REYNOSO, NOT EVEN ERIC KUHRI.

  • John W. Kyle

    Ms. Booth;

    Sorry, In all honesty, I did not intend to push you to the edge with number 24 above. I thought it was an honest rebuttal to yours at # 9. I was not attempting to discredit you.

    On the contrary. I thought I was shining some light on the ‘public comment problem’ at HUSD.

    In what post did I state you were mentally unstable. Good grief, I was a Vice president in Real Estate Apptraisal efforts at the Bank where I worked. You think I am totally unaware of some basic common sense…
    You injected yourself into the problem with O’Bama new age charge that I was walking through her daughters residential area seeking information about the daughter…….. then, may I Remind you of your advice, while describing me as a bully brfor snf ssfter that experience…. you advised the lady to be sure that she made a report to Hayward Police on that subject. That does not constitute ‘legal advice’?

    All might think about following the example of the City policy governing ‘public comment’ period.

    Perhaps ms. booth, you ought follow your own statement made in late August or early September, in which you indicated intention to lay back a bit, at least for a while? Consider: Your incredible number of submissions to the blog might be a bit exhausting?

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    Mr. Kyle,
    Just look back at the archives, and you will see what you now seem so conveniently to forget. Talk about calling the kettle black. Once again Mr. Kyle, Kile, Kille….Simply suggesting that a person who fears for their safety or the safety of their family contact the police IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. YOU SEEM HELL BENT ON YOUR PATH TO ATTACK IN WHATEVER NEW FORM YOU NOW MUST USE. STOP IT YOU WILL NEVER WIN.

    IF YOU QUESTION MY ABILITY AS A CITIZEN TO SUGGEST TO ANOTHER CITIZEN THAT THEY CONSULT THE POLICE WHEN THEY HAVE SAFETY FEARS IS PROVIDING UNQUALIFIED LEGAL ADVICE THEN LET ME SUGGEST THAT YOU SPEND SOME MONEY TO SEE AN ATTORNEY TO ASK IF YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE CORRECT. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU DO THAT AND I AM PRESENTED PROOF THAT AN ATTORNEY HAS SO ADVISED YOU.

    For now stop beating the dead horse.

  • John W. Kyle

    MS. bOOTH !

    OBSESSION IS RUINING YOUR LIFE. YOU ARE NOT WITHOUT FAULT YOURSELF ! WAKE UP, RELAX, UNWIND FOR A BIT! YOU MIGHT ENJOY SOME RELAXATION.

  • http://None Kathi Booth

    YAWN

  • AP Polk

    I have watched and read this blog for so long. I wish people would tell the truth!!!!! Principals and Vice Principals and some Directors will never tell the truth because they need their jobs or at least their money. As far as Superintendent Duran, Donaa Becnal, Kathryn Benson, Wu Chien and their “buddy” MEG Whitman they are padding their retirement. The aforementioned don’t care about labor laws, students or anything else except themselves. Hayward Unified is the biggest pimping operation this side of the Mississippi. I took my child out of Hayward Unified and everyone else would be wise to do the same.

  • John W. Kyle

    AP Po;k;

    I sure hope you washed your hands after slinging mud!
    Mus it was…. not constructive nor pro-active in any shape or form.

    Let us all hope that your attitude is not carried into the future by your offspring.

  • AP Polk

    Mr. Kyle,

    Lol, mud slinging????
    Show me the contracts, make everything transparent, talk to the employees and report out what they say. You haven’t a clue what I know, it’s not hearsay. Ask for proof of their hiring practices, ask for documentation, including the ethnic backgrounds of the students that have been railroaded into illegal suspensions and expulsions. Why did all the families trying to leave HUSD stay only because their transfer requests were not processed? Check Kathryn Bensons degree or credentialing information let me know what you find? When was the last time someone without a degree has been placed into a position over people that do and claims she knows what she’s doing. May I ask where the men are in upper management?
    How can one be constructive and proactive when the ones in charge pervert the truth, promote lies, and deception? I am all ears, please tell me what I can do to become proactive?

    As far as my children…. They have all been taught to speak truth to power, and will not go
    along with the crowd because it’s popular.

  • John W. Kyle

    yOU WRITE AS THOUGH YOU HAD PROOF, ( IN THE LEGAL SENSE), OF ALL THAT YOU SAY…. IF THAT IS THE CASE, TAKE YOUR PROOF TO THE DISTRICT aTTORNY AND SEEK A GRAND JURY ENQUIRY!

    THE GRAND JURY (CHAIRMAN) MANGEMENT I8 WERE YOU WILL BE PINNED DOWN ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE PURE UNADULTERATED MUD-SLINGING ON YOUR PART.

    dO NOT ATTEMPT TO TANSFER OR PLACE UPON ANOTHER, YOUR BURDEN OF PROOF OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW!

    FOLKS SUCH AS YOURSELF USUALLY TURN UP SHORTLY BEFORE ELECTIONS…..NICE TRY!

    BUT, HOLD ON A MINUTE, YOU MOVED YOUR KIDS TO ANOTHER DISTRICT…. WHY DO YOU CARE?

    FINALLY, YOU CAN NOT JUSTIFY YOUR COMPLAINTS WITH OUT MATERIAL PROOF… OTHERWISE ALL YOU HAVE IS MUD ON YOUR FACE…… MUD SLINGERS GET THE STUFF TOSSED BACK !

    fOR ALL YOU KNOW, THOSE ‘EMPLOYEES’ WITH WHOM YOU SAY YOU SPOKE, ARE TOTALLY OFF BASE WHEN THEY THEMSELVES DO NOT TAKE DIRECT ACTION IN THE FORMAL LEGAL SENSE.
    THERE IS NOTHING SO POISONOUS IN A WORK PLACE AS THE BITTER, POOR PERFORMANCE EMPLOYEE.

    THE BASIC PROBLEM IS THAT BITTER EMPLOYEES CAN MAKE A WORKPLACE INTO SOMETHING APPROACHING PURE HELL.

    WHY HAVE THEIR UNIONS NOT SPOKEN OUT?

    FRANKLY, I DO NOT CARE TO ‘KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW’ yOU LIVE ON THE EDGE GRASPING AT EVRY FALSE TID BIT THAT FLOATS ON THE WIND! OTHER WISE, YOU WOULD HAVE PARKED YOURSELF IN THE FACE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNY!

    OR PERHAPS, FOUND A LAWYER WHO WOULD AGREE TO WORK FOR A PART OF THE SETTLEMENT YOU THINK YOURSELF ENTITLED TO, UPON CONCLUSION OF THE COURT TRIAL OF THE LAWSUIT YOU LACK COURAGE TO PURSUE.

    UNTIL YOU DO THAT, I CONSIDER YOU A SNIPER. OR AT BEST, LACKING COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS.

  • AP Polk

    Oh Mr Kyle you are a class act. Nice try.