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This week’s HUSD meeting: Tech status, achievement gap

Had a story in today’s paper related to the effort to close the achievement gap for black kids at Hayward schools. There’s a difference in opinion regarding who should spearhead the effort: COR, which has been studying the issue for some time now, or the district, because it’s ultimately the responsibility of HUSD. The COR representative I spoke with would like the district to take a step back until they have further discussions but the district still plans on having the late Sept. summit and will likely consider approving the creation of the task force at its next meeting. COR and board members are in agreement on a main point, however — that it’s crucial for parents to get involved if the program is to be successful.

Other items: New Associate Supt. of Business Services Stanley Dobbs had two presentations. The first was an update on the state budget. A particular concerning aspect is the possibility for the state to trigger further reductions come December should the economy be flagging. That would mean a $6 million hit for the district, which is already deficit spending to the tune of $5 million, Dobbs said.

Dobbs also talked about the state of technology at Hayward schools. He said it was awful, and that he’s “never seen anything like it before.” He said there’s no leadership in the tech office and in terms of equipment, things have been allowed to degrade to the point where substantial investment would be required to bring it up to speed. He said teachers that do have access to new technology aren’t being properly trained how to use it.

“It’s no good to buy a SmartBoard if it’s just going to be used as a dry-erase board with a socket in the back,” he said.

Former Commander Stanley “Data” Dobbs has a very strong background in tech, and said he’d like to see the district become one where kids are acquainted with technology at an early age, so by the time they’re in high school they’re exploring robotics, web design and the like.

Trustees were excited about the ideas, though some wary of past plans to improve technology in schools that weren’t well thought out. Dobbs was asked to come back with more information regarding implementation and financing of the plan. There are grants out there, including a hefty Microsoft reimbursement plan for nearly $1M.

“We all agree we need to update, and it should be done quickly, but we do need to be diligent,” said Board President Lisa Brunner.

Also, additional assistant principals were approved for Hayward High and Mt. Eden High schools to improve campus safety.

Then came the achievement gap item, but I missed the rest of the meeting, which included an item on the district’s fingerprinting policy. Looks like the video is available but I haven’t watched it yet. Anyone else?

Looking ahead, API scores come out next week. Brunner gave me a bit of a sneak peek and there’s some interesting numbers in there. Burbank Elementary as a whole went up a lot of points, but the African-American student subpopulation saw an incredible increase, I’m talking triple-digit. Scores available Aug. 31 on the state Department of Education website.

Eric Kurhi

  • Michael Moore

    COR is not the solution in public schools. The Faith Based Agenda is not appropriate for public schools. There is no room for Faith in schhols. Parents who want to send their kids to public schools need to realize that they need to keep their religion at home. We are not Texas where the Creationism and Science are taught as theories.

    I have no issue with Faith but it needs to not be a part of the public schools which my taxes support. Charter schools and private schools should be able to represent Faith Based families and students.

  • teachermama

    Amen, Michael. Hahahaha. Seriously, though, I agree 100%. In addition to your point, I admire the work that COR does and its commitment to the community, but I think their tactics are sneaky.

  • Michael Moore

    Teachermama, I too admire their efforts, but their agenda is fully undisclosed until it is too late. If you want to live in a fundamentalist Christian community, these are the folks you want to invest time with. Otherwise, stay away from them. They are not inclusive of diversity. They are inclusive of their own. They are effective charismatic fundamentalist missionaries. Not my cuppa.

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    There was a speaker at the BOE meeting by the name of Lillian Litze. She spoke to the Adewole program that was systematically gutted a few years ago. I was a member of the Adewole Advisory Committee and during my stint on it I found the program to be succesful, though limited to numbers. It was a well thought out wrap-around program that began its work with African American males while still in elementary school.

    There were credentialed gentlemen who worked within the district specifically with these students and followed them thru their entire time as students. They provided academic tutoring and monitoring,mentoring, life and academic skills training, counselling, and a variety of other specialized and necessary assistance.

    We fought mightly as a committee to expand the program and employ more advisors so that a maximum number of students would be enrolled and benefit from the program. Just as there were efforts being made to begin grant writing for these needed services the superintendent, for what I believe to be political reasons, decided it was a program that should be eliminated, and so the process began.

    How shameful that these decisions were made, without ever considering the consequences to student success.

  • John Kyle

    A response to Michael Moore’s blog entry of August 28, 2011.

    Poor Michael Moore, at any mention of the word ‘faith’ he wanders off into the field of ignorance. His problem of the moment is COR !

    COR (Congregations Organized for Renewal) is a good thing…it has performed well in Union City’s old Decoto district. That success encouraged introduction of new effort into Hayward. Moore sees that presence as violation of the Constitution of the United States.
    If anything, the concept of separation of church and state has done nothing but promote apathy in Hayward’s concept of community. Our nation’s constitution might have done a better job of promoting parental responsibility toward education of children in our nation.
    Obviously, we are in a condition of need which COR attempts to address! Our individually identified churches are overtly discouraged from being directly involved, but the Constitution does not preclude individuals, representing many faiths, from coming together in aid of common good. Especially where a publicly supported educational system appears to be failing broad community segments.
    I remain annoyed while amused, despite the intervening years, since Ronald Regan’s actions, (as governor of California,) when he closed down some of our State Hospitals. His excuse was that the State could not afford the expense and that ‘the churches’ ought accept greater responsibility in the matters of mental health or babies deformed in body by use of dangerous, poorly advised, prenatal use of Thalidomide drugs! The man demonstrated blithe indifference to the fact that churches held the attention of less than half of the nations’ adult population and probably even fewer in our licentious ‘California’ outlook! In short, he unwittingly revealed a belief that Churches should pick up money expenses without complaint or any possible expression of opinion foreseen as a violation of the U.S. Constitution. (Note here that Fr.Thomas Burns S.J spent a majority of his time, in years as Priest, personally educating and attending to the daily needs of ‘Thalidomide Babies’ at Agnews State Hospital in Santa Clara County.)
    Moore has consistently evidenced personal antithetical bias towards Religion in his past contributions to Hayword Blog. I know nothing of his free will contributions of time and effort in community service to either the Hayward Unified School District or the City of Hayward.
    Has Michael Moore found a seat at some organized effort in volunteerism at either the City of Hayward or the School District which serves most of Hayward and a large portion of highly populated Alameda County. Surely there must have been one or two ad hoc groups or task force associations with which he can claim some form of community service! Has there been any volunteerism displayed which would aid improvement to zip code areas 94541 through 94545 ?
    I have only observed limited, thoughtless cheap shots such as that contribution under Kurhi’s article on the subject of improved test scores. See his item at # 3 position particularly, where his very helpful and sincere advise to HUSD parents dated Aug. 18, 2011 at 11:32PM advises, in deep sincerity, ”The best thing a parent can do is to get their kids enrolled in the Castro Valley School District!”

    AS AN ASIDE,,,COR came about as a result of Sol Alinski’s unorthdox view point that DIRECT ACTION
    gets the ATTENTION of businwess and political leadership.
    Laydowns by many volunteers willing to risk arrest for disruptive laydowns in the lobbies of Banks during business hours was one technique which brought about changes in the practices of slum lords. Want to nail a slumlord ?// determine where he does banking business thenj send a hundred voklunteers to lay down in the lobby of the bank which aids his acquisition of property…fraqnkly, the Jesuits applauded and invited him to lecture at some of their schools and Universities and led to active support of the COR idea!
    It had tro do with a simple concept that the poor deswerved better than what they were getting from our economic system.

    Poor Michael… it is not about religion per se.
    It’s about equality of opportunity….. something all might learn to enjoy, through volunteerism, if you, the typical reader and even Micheal Moore, ever choose that path!

  • John Kyle

    All:
    Is anyone aware of Larry Booth’s condition? His name popped up on the prayer list at All Saint’s Church this day!

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    Why would you care you evil man? Do not ask anyone about Larry Booth it is none of your business. Separate church and this blog!

  • qodrn

    My own opinion on Cor is anything that might help is almost worth it. These kids will have no place in this world coming up without an education.

    I am not black, but most of the black folks I have known seem to have or at least had their church as a primary influence in their life. While us Catholics don’t, most black folks still dress up in their best for Sunday. I think to improve the black scores, church is a necessary resource, maybe the only resource that will work in mass.

    I fail to believe that blacks are not learning because they can’t. They simply don’t have home backgrounds that allow them to succeed.

    Back to my son’s homework.

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    When the Adewole Program was in existance in HUSD the advisors/mentors/teachers maintained ongoing contact with the families of students. When necessary they provide assistance/referrals for family needs. They met with parents to train them on how to be a positive and supportive influence on their children’s academic lives. Since its demise, African American students have had little to no regular and positive attention or assistance.

  • John Kyle

    Ms. Booth.

    Evil ?

    Are you not aware that your husband’s name was on the prayer list at the weekend services at All Saints Church ?

  • John Kyle

    Qdrn.

    I too applaud the Nergro community for their attendence at Church. I am also appreciative of the presence of Negro Priests and congregants at at services at All Saints Church particularly since the
    congregation is increasingly multi cultural with services in African Languages.

    For myself Iam especial;ly appreciative of the multi- cultural liturgical music at All Saints….Polynesian, Phillipino, Hispanic, and on occasion ‘Gospel’ music and hymns remind that ‘Catholic’ is derived from the Greek word for “Universal”!

    Several multicultural Choirs exist and they frequently combine at the Sunday Service scheduled fo 10:45 AM on Sundays.

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    Mr. Kyle,
    I am fully aware of what was printed in the All Saints bulleten and it is of no concern for you. If you would like an update so that you may make another vile comment regarding my husband…go to the 7:30am Sunday mass, look for my daughter sitting in the last pew of the middle section…she will be more than happy to provvide you with an ear full. DO US ALL A FAVOR, DO NOT MENTION MY HUSBAND’S NAME ON THIS BLOG AGAIN..DO NOT PROFESS YOUR PHONEY CONCERNS FOR HIM…RMEMEBER, IT IS YOU THAT HAS DERIDED HIS NAME AND REPUTATION AS IT RELATES TO HUSD…

  • qodrn

    I found out about the music at All Saints when my son was confirmed there. It is almost scarey good. I like the 7pm Mass on Sunday sometimes since the way to St. Clements has been blocked off due to the wonderful roadwork. I also seem to cough less at All Saints. The bathroom is too far away at this church, however.

  • John Kyle

    I have come into posession of the Truancy rates for SCHOOL YEAR 2010 – 2011.

    Truancy rates improved rather dramaticaly at Longwood School and undoubtedly this contributed to the first year success of it’s new principal and staff.

    Cherryland WHICH contiues to have a very high enrollment rate at 808 enrollees suffers greatly but the percentage of truants at Faith Ringolod with just 139 enrolees has a staggering 57.55 % classified as oruants…… looks like the HUSD Trustees made a good call there !! Who needs that draq on test scores?

    Truancy rate at the four high schools is staggering !!

    Brenkwitzs is low on thatr Totem with a truancy rate of just 85.44%

    (Is it time to injvoke that State Senate bill which would send a jolt to parents 9of truants shoulod one or two or three of them are brought to jistice under the terms of that bill which permits jail sentences for neglectful parents ?

    King middle school had the lowest truancy rate at 69.81 %
    ’tis time to lower the BOOM!

  • John Kyle

    MS. BOOTH;

    IF IN TRUTH I OFFERED CRITICISM OF MR. BOOTH’S ACTIONS AS A BOARD MWEMBER.. IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE. i AM CERTAIN THAT MUCH OF YOUR CRITICISM OF SUCH AS Mr Armas was not constructive but reflected an aura of vindictiveness for whatever might have happened when he was City Manager and you, presumably were on Personnel Commission.

    You suppor6t of the rude and crusde contributions of ‘OBama new age’ on this blog, starting in august 2010, could not be explained otherwise.

    Figuratively, you live in a glass house and should refrain from throwing rocks…. otherwise you fall into a losing category.

    I do wish Larry well! iF MY CRITICISMS WERE INTERPRETED AS MEAN SPIRITED… I LAY THAT PROBLEM AT YOUR FEET!

  • qodrn

    Strange trip to Walgreens yesterday. Attempted to buy some Vick’s Nyquil for sick son. Walgreen’s doesn’t carry this product anymore and has a lot of open shelfs in the medicine area. Looks like Walgreens is mostly going to carry its own brands.

    Going discount?
    Going broke?

    I find this very strange. Meanwhile, I am happy to report the Walgreens brand brought picky son some relief.

  • qodrn

    John, question. The percentages you listed are those the missing kids? Or are they the kids that showed up?

    Are you really saying that 85.44 percent of kids are truant? Holy cow!

    Would you mind listing the percentages for the high schools and junior highs?

    Just curious.

  • qodrn

    Kathi,

    I hope your husband is okay. I feel that perhaps mentioning your daughter on this blog may not be the safest thing, however. Perhaps she should change pews for awhile. Although I feel sorry for someone else who might use that spot. As someone with lousy lungs, I wish him the best.

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    Thank you Qodrn, but it was she that suggested that Mr.Kyle look for her at mass. She is very upset with his ugly remarks about me and her father and would like the opportunity to speak with him. Thank you for your kind words about my hussband.

    Mr. Kyle,
    Once again you are filling these pages with your ugly and angry remarks. You do not know me, or my family, or our motives in life. I am so sick of your bringing me into every comment you post.

  • John Kyle

    Booth

    Rebuttal makes you ill? Then your life must be….what?

    Try this remedy…retreat into your own mind and do a real search…… for example, why extoll the virtue of keeping Faith Ringold open, when absenteeism is so heavy at that experience? 80 OF THE 139 ENROLLEES ARE RAISING BLAZES WITH HUSD’S BUDGET!

    Did you kinow it IS REPORTED AS HAVING A TRUANCY RATE OF 57.55% ? PERHAPS IT NEEDS AN APPLICATION OF SB 1317 ? yOU KNOW…. MOM OR DAD INTO THE ‘COOLER’ FOR A FEW DAYS MIGHT GET THEIR ATTENTION!

    NOW, IF THAT IS A NASTY ATTITUDE ON MY PART…. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED THAT REALLY MEAN BILL!

  • http://BoothmanSr@sbcglobal.net Kathi Booth

    Mr. Kyle,
    All I and my husband have ever asked of you is to leave his name out of your postings. He even sent a post to you asking that you respect his wishes. Once again, I can defend or rebutt whatever you say about me or whatever criticisms you make regarding my postings…But I will not tolerate your refrences to my husband or what you believe he did or didn’t do in life or in HUSD. He is off limits. If you are the Christian you claim to be you will honor his second request to refrain from referring to him in your posts.

  • John Kyle

    All,
    With this entry, I will attempt to explain how the truancy rate is currently developed. I take as my primary source the explanation offered me by Mr. Andrew Kevy who is responsible for preparing the annual report on this subject.

    The statistics for the elementary schools are displayed in an alphabetical list of all the schools. After the name of the school is a line item which reflects, three factors horizontally displayed and in column arrangement so that the statistic a.) total students registered; b.) # of truants; c.) truancy percentage rate, might then be compared with the others in each of three categories.

    Three school groupings occur; 1.) Elementary, 2.) Middle School, 3) High schools.

    As I personally recall, the enrollment factor, for each school is established based on the number of students attending, as of the first school day of October.

    Per Mr. Kevy, the charts reflect by school, the number of students who had three or more unexcused absences, ( days for the elementary schools and periods for the middle school and high school students.) Also these figures incorporate students who have been late more than 30 minutes for a day or period or any combination of absent or late >3 times. That is the definition of truancy absent, tardy or combination without valid reason, more than 3 times in a school year. This number of (involved*) is divided by the enrollment (count established on October 1,) figure used by the district to determine the truancy rate.

    Above is the explanation afforded me by Mr. Kevy on August 30, 2011.

    I have personally tabulated the columns and for the 21 Elementary schools, we have the following statistic:
    A total of 11,896 students, 4,626 truants and a truancy rate AT 38.9%

    At 4 Middle schools; 3,090 students, 2383 truants and a truancy rate of 77.12%.

    At 4 High Schools, (including Brenkwitz) we have 5,026 students, 4472 truants and a truancy rate of 89%.

    The loss of average Daily Attendance money to our HUSD Budget staggers sensibility !

    Personally I believe it time to invoke Senate Bill 1317 which places parents of truants in a position of exposure to a jail term.

    As we have an extra orduinary number of parollees and probationers reported resideing in zip code 94541 , KI turn to the truancy stats of the elmentary schools as a lead in the determination of what is really occurring. zip code 94541 takes in mych of the ‘territory’ of unincorporated areas which are to be found attending HUSD schools.

    Four elementary schools are found in 94541 ! THEY ARE CHERRYLAND, FAIRVIEW, lONGWOOD AND STROBRIDGE.
    CHERRYLAND’S ENROLLMENT IS REPORTED AT 808 STUDENTS; IT IS REPORTED AS POSEESING 448 TRUANTS,… OR 55.45% OF IT’S STUDENTS ARE CLASSIFIES AS TRUANTS.

    FAIRVIEW HAD ENROLLMENT OF 479 STUDENTS WITH 310 TRUANTS FOR A 64.72% TRUANCY RATE.

    lONGWOOD WITH AN ENROLLMENT OF 666 STUDENTS WITH 167 TRUANTS HAD A TRUANCY RATE OF 25.08% ( a BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR)

    sTROBRIDGE HAD ENROLLMENT OF 629 STUDENTS WITH 345 TRUANTS AND TRUANCY RATE OF 54.25%

    AT HEART OF THE PROBLEM IN ZIP CODE AREA 94541 IS THE UNFAIR HEAVY LOAD IMPOSED UPON THAT GEOGRAPHICALO AREA DUE TO THE CONCENTRATION OF PAQROLLEES AND PROBATIONERS IN THAT AREA.

    94541 POSSSES RELAQTIVELY HIGH PROPORTION OF ‘OLDDER’ HOUSING WHICH, IPSO FACTO,DRAWS THE FAMILIES AQND CHILDFREN OF THOSE ON PAROLE WHO SUFFER HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT AND LOWER WAGES….

    BASIC TO THAT PROBLEM IS THE FACT THAT CITIES SUCH AS
    PLEASANTON, SUGFFERING UNDER ‘THE LOAD’ FOUND IN THE PRESENCE OF JUST 5 PAROLEES HAS YET TO DEVELOP IT’S FIREST LOW INCOME HOUSING UNIT UNDER THE RULES ESTABLISHED BY THE ASSOCIATION OF BAY AREA GOVERNMENTS (ABAG).

    i AGAOIN SUGGEST THAT CITIZENS OF HAYWARD, COME TOGETHER AND RISE UP IN PROTEST OF THE MANNER IN WHICH aVERAGE dAILY ATTENDENCE MONEY IS DIVIDED.iT SEEMS QUITE UNJUST FOR pLEASANTON TO RECEIVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY PER STUDENT FROM THE sTATE… PARTICULARLY, SINCE THEY REFUSE TO TAKE THE STEPS NEEDED TO LIGHTEN THE PRESENCE OF PAROLLEES IN OAKLAND AND HAYWARD.

    tO BE MORE EQUITABLE CONSIDER REDUCING pLEASANTON’S AMOUNT PER STUDENT ATTENDENC PER DAY AT ASSUMED $30 PER DAY TO $20. PER DAY AND SPREAD THAT SUM SO THAT HAYWARD AND OAKLAND RECEIVE UPWARDS OF $30. PER DAY.

    iT WAS NOT TOO KLONG AGO THAT husd sUPT. dURAN WAS SUGGESTING A PARCEL TAX OF ABOUT $200 PER PROPERTY TO MAKE UP THE LOSS OF ADA MONEY CAUSED BY TRUANCY!

    A parcel tax imposed upon Pleasanton to compensate for their reduction of $10. per day, per student, is only the fair way to play. Pleasanton folk spend too much time at play on the fairways…( of golf ) while HUSD
    suervises in hard scarbble turf!

    Rise up Haywardites! NOTHIN’ GONNA HAPPEN ‘TILL YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!

  • qodrn

    Here are the statewide scores released today for the district of Hayward. Top School? Faith Ringgold.

    2011 Growth 2010 Base 2010-11 Growth Target 2010-11 Growth School-
    wide All Subgroups Both Schoolwide
    and Subgroups

    HAYWARD UNIFIED 715 707 D 8
    Elementary Schools
    Bowman Elementary 707 739 5 -32 No No No
    Burbank Elementary 795 716 5 79 Yes Yes Yes
    Cherryland Elementary 695 704 5 -9 No No No
    East Avenue Elementary 733 770 5 -37 No No No
    Eden Gardens Elementary 771 750 5 21 Yes Yes Yes
    Eldridge Elementary 781 776 5 5 Yes No No
    Fairview Elementary 676 663 7 13 Yes No No
    Glassbrook Elementary 634 701 5 -67 No No No
    Golden Oak Montessori of Hayward 830 803* A 27 Yes Yes Yes
    Harder Elementary 742 692 5 50 Yes Yes Yes
    Longwood Elementary 695 620 9 75 Yes Yes Yes
    Lorin A. Eden Elementary 749 747 5 2 No No No
    Palma Ceia Elementary 751 761 5 -10 No No No
    Park Elementary 675 693 5 -18 No No No
    Ruus Elementary 717 718 5 -1 No No No
    Schafer Park Elementary 718 690 6 28 Yes Yes Yes
    Southgate Elementary 783 785 5 -2 No No No
    Stonebrae Elementary 798 795 5 3 No No No
    Strobridge Elementary 716 695 5 21 Yes Yes Yes
    Treeview Elementary 757 747 5 10 Yes No No
    Tyrrell Elementary 718 737 5 -19 No No No
    Middle Schools
    Anthony W. Ochoa Middle 744 698 5 46 Yes Yes Yes
    Bret Harte Middle 748 745 5 3 No No No
    Cesar Chavez Middle 721 723 5 -2 No No No
    Martin Luther King, Jr. Middle 768 766 5 2 No Yes No
    Winton Middle 673 688 6 -15 No No No
    High Schools
    Hayward High 685 663 7 22 Yes Yes Yes
    Impact Academy of Arts & Technology 791 718 5 73 Yes Yes Yes
    Leadership Public Schools – Hayward 866 822 A 44 Yes Yes Yes
    Mt. Eden High 690 688 6 2 No No No
    Tennyson High 661 649 8 12 Yes Yes Yes
    Small Schools
    Faith Ringgold School of Arts and Scienc 818* 752 5 66 Yes Yes Yes
    ASAM Schools
    Brenkwitz High 490* 570* 12 -80 No Yes No

    A – above 800 last year too.
    D – LEA or special education school

  • qodrn

    Seems the reformulated schools are doing better. Harder and Longwood are up.

    Hayward students simply get worse as they go up the chain.

  • qodrn

    Here are some district figures.
    Number of Students Included in 2011 API Numerically Significant in Both Years

    2011 Growth 2010 Base 2010 – 11 Growth
    Groups
    LEA-wide 14,786 715 707 8
    Black or African American 2,052 Yes 666 667 -1
    American Indian or Alaska Native 78 No 698 677
    Asian 1,179 Yes 823 816 7
    Filipino 1,103 Yes 818 806 12
    Hispanic or Latino 8,498 Yes 691 679 12
    Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander 579 Yes 712 716 -4
    White 1,140 Yes 777 767 10
    Two or More Races 86 No 725 698
    Socioeconomically Disadvantaged 10,678 Yes 690 682 8
    English Learners 6,939 Yes 673 654 19
    Students with Disabilities 1,320 Yes 542 534 8

  • qodrn

    Would like to see the state break out the scores for the non socioeconomically disadvantaged students. Clearly some students are able to succeed in Hayward schools. Maybe home intervention is where the district needs to go. But you can’t tell with these data.

  • John Kyle

    GODRN;

    YOUR THUGHT AT #26 ABOVE IS FRAUGHT WITH CONTROVERSY… HOW DO YOU DETERMINE CLASSIFICATION WITHOUT GIVING OFFENSE TO OTHERS?

  • Sherry Blair

    Michael and Teacherama,
    When COR came to my attention yesterday, I remembered this conversation. Would you mind elaborating on what you know about them? How do you know they are a fundamentalist group? What do you mean by sneaky?

    Their website looks like they are simply community organizers who came from the churches. Since the South Hayward Collaborative came out of the South Hayward Parish and does a lot of good in the community without proselytizing, I am wondering what the difference is.

  • Michael Moore

    Sherry, I am familiar with the Cherryland COR work and operations. My issues are with the churches that supply the folks who work in the community. While on the surface the proselytizing is not present, the underlying political agenda is not to my taste. There are good works achieved, particularly in the black community, less so amongst other groups of color.

    My issue is that COR and other Faith Based groups do not belong in public schools. I believe that these organizations make their inroads in to the community and then recruit new members for their churches. The underlying ideology is the sneaky part.

    The surface work of COR is very good. The underlying work is not so good.

  • John Kyle

    Blair;

    I am sorry, but i take exception to Moore’s above comments.

    If you were an observer of the blog ‘goings on’ last August ( 2010 ) when Mr. Moore began contributing (?) it became obvious to most that he is upset with the R.C Church over the abuse of children by priests. Even went so far as to drag up Pope Benedict’s history as a teenager compulsorily involved with the Wehrmacht near the end of WWII. If he is anti-religious, his attitude seems directed solely to R.C. Church. He has however, in his defense, more recently avoided the subject until his unfortunate remark against COR.
    COR Is an ACRONYM of ‘Congregations Organized for Renewal’ COR had it’s origins in the mind of Saul Alinsky the great ‘organizer’ whose ‘direct action’ approach involved ‘sit ins’ etc…. Not a Catholic, probably a Hebrew in faith or background, Alinsky was often described, without comment by him, as agnostic. His direct actions were not violent in the sense that he did not have a club in his hand or resort to violence in finding solutions in aid of ‘justice’ for those ‘living on the edge’ in chronic conditions, where social justice was lacking. His single greatest ‘tool’ was seen inb his ability to organize folks to take risks, involving potential violence which was sometimes evoked by lack of patience within police Departments, major businesses, and City Halls across the nation.
    Initially, I was put off by such tactics, which in my personal experience, I thought it was based on false information, that had aroused inappropriate actions. In my own case, my employer assigned me to the task of initiating a response that satisfied the group that had deliberately caused an annoyance which interrupted business in a Branch Bank. A hundred people laying on the lobby floor will easily upset customers attempting to access their money! Despite the tactic I appreciated the goals soon achieved.
    Banks do have a responsibility in attending and meeting the financial needs of an entire community and not just the needs of ‘fat cats’!
    Sol Alinsky’s actions soon attracted the attention of the Jesuit order of priests in the Catholic Church. I had attended Jr. High school at a Salesian boarding school in Watsonville. Initially I saw it as ‘punishment’ for the misguided conduct at a cost of repeating the seventh grade. My widowed Mother was unaware of my incredible number of absences from school ! The eldest of three, I had asthma and could no longer live on Mac Arthur Blvd in Oakland, quite near the Altenheim within Oakland’s Dimond District. Mac Arthur Blvd was one of three major routes to Southern Alameda County. Two of those routes were cluttered with slow moving electric street cars and the problem affecting the home selected by Mother was that it was immediate to the bus stop she needed for transport to San Franccisco.
    Without an operable auto, her job took her to San Francisco where she worked as secretary to a sales manager of a major plumbing supply company… the lady was exhausted, especially with the onset of cancer. I could not live in the really old dwelling with considerable substandard features. WWII autos all needed an engine ring job and exhaust pipe emissions were crippling.
    I took up residence with maternal grandparents who had a semi-enclosed rear porch. The fresh air worked wonders and I soon found work as a news carrier, delivering papers from a bike along a 21 mile stretch of streets, inclement weather was used as an excuse for not attending school on a fairly regular basis. A younger brother and I were soon whisked away to Watsonville when, widowed paternal Grandmother sold her home to cut her expense
    While also enabling tuition and boarding expense, which was very reasonable given the fact that the Salesians operated 140 acres of agricultural, grape, orchard and cattle operations. Students had assigned, light chores to aid the operation.
    After completing 9th grade, a paternal uncle’s wife interceded and the two sponsored my enrollment at The Jesuit Prep School near Santa Clara University. The Jesuits are serious about being well educated and offering themselves to education. I spent three years, boarding on the Bellarmine campus. They were rewarding years in that I was deeply exposed to a student body which was derived from many levels of wealth, education and national origin. Their viewpoints were an education in and of itself.
    I am married to a lady who, after earlier acceptance, was turned away from a life within a teaching order on Nuns as direct result of lapsing into a diabetic coma one month prior to graduating High School. Her strength of character sees her at my side after over 58 years of marriage. More interesting is the fact that her Mother’s only brother was a Jesuit priest and her Father’s nephew was also a Jesuit Priest. I never met the Uncle but was well acquainted with wife’s cousin, a brilliant man, who according to another, who had also joined the Jesuit order and was in the same classes at the novitiate. After his death cousin was eulogized as a man who began teaching, almost unconsciously. Even to the extent that he reminded an older priest who presided at the dinner table, that he, the older man had assigned after dinner tasks with both the instruction and response, in Latin, ‘you have just used a transitive verb without an object’! That from the mouth of a man who had just turned 17.5 years of age, in August 1939.
    I relate all that for the single reason that having known them, I stand in awe of the Jesuits and for that reason I came to understand why it was that the Jesuits ‘picked up’ on the message that Sol Alinsky was ‘preaching’. They respected him to the point that Alinsky was invited to lecture at their nearby Colleges. Further, they associated with him in the creation of ‘Congregations organized for Renewal’ (COR)
    I had the experience of being visited by a Jesuit at my home. He had been referred to me by Priests or staff members at St. Joachim’s Parish Church on Hesperian Blvd, opposite the Airport. His purpose in the visit was to recruit me into a leadership position at creation of a Haywrd chapter of COR.
    I DECLINED THE REQUEST ON THE BASIS OF THE IDEA THAT SINCE I HAD NO FACILITY IN SPANISH. THAT I WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE. I REFUSED THE INVITATION WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT COR SEEK LEADERRSHIP THROUGH THE PASTOR OF THE PARISH LOCATED IN THE OLD DECOTO DISTRICT OF UNION CITY…. WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF HAD BEEN SHOT TO DEATH BY A SNIPER, THROUGH THE OPEN WINDOW OF THE ASSEMBLY BUILDING. The Priest of that Parish, personally took on the role and succeeded so well that COR subsequently established a group or ‘chapter’ in Hayward. They seem to have achieved some limited success.
    Let us be clear about COR, it is not a religious order seeking converts on a door to door basis. It is an alliance of Americans of various faiths in possession of varying intensity of effort at seeking justice as well as opportunity, for actions which serve the well being of our nation.
    I mentioned earlier in this scribble, that my employer had be subjected to a ‘sit down’ by vocal participants who objected to conditions in a particular residential site on which the bank held a note and deed of trust which had been recorded as security for that note. That particular loan had been acquired by purchase from a mortgage lender in San Francisco. The upshot was that the underlying appraisal had not been performed by an appraiser associated with my employer.
    I examined the structure in question. Not as bad as some, but hardly a ‘prime’ loan. The owner was a tough lady, reputed to be Afro-American, who was accused of being abusive by her tenants.
    Frankly, I would not have been able to see that structure used as a dog kennel. I reported the facts as I saw them. Foreclosure proceedings were initiated the moment that the process was legally enabled.
    Apparently, the members of the group used a tactic brought to the national scene by those in alliance with Sol Alinsky. I personally approve of such tactics and my employers of the moment suddenly had me representing the firm, together with other lenders in organizing “ Oakland Neighborhood Housing Services Corporation” which had the purpose of assuring access to loan money for dwellings in need of repair or refurbishment.
    No one had to make a profession of Faith in anything other than the simple concept of freedom of opportunity! It is my simplistic belief that the problem with COR in Hayward is that it has lost much in the way of zeal….. Beyond that I have nothing else to say about COR. ( Congregations Organized for Renewal.)

    In Charity, nothing else to say about Moore either!

  • John Kyle

    Blair;
    Too bad that Mr. Moore is more certain aboutthe things or thoughts he is ‘against’ than the things he is FOR! !!

    If you were an observer of the blog ‘goings on’ last August ( 2010 ) when Mr. Moore began contributing (?) it became obvious to most that he is upset with the R.C Church over the abuse of children by priests. Even went so far as to drag up Pope Benedict’s history as a teenager compulsorily involved with the Wehrmacht near the end of WWII. If he is anti-religious, his attitude seems directed solely to R.C. Church. He has however, in his defense, more recently avoided the subject until his unfortunate remark against COR.
    COR Is an ACRONYM of ‘Congregations Organized for Renewal’ COR had it’s origins in the mind of Saul Alinsky the great ‘organizer’ whose ‘direct action’ approach involved ‘sit ins’ etc…. Not a Catholic, probably a Hebrew in faith or background, Alinsky was often described, without comment by him, as agnostic. His direct actions were not violent in the sense that he did not have a club in his hand or resort to violence in finding solutions in aid of ‘justice’ for those ‘living on the edge’ in chronic conditions, where social justice was lacking. His single greatest ‘tool’ was seen inb his ability to organize folks to take risks, involving potential violence which was sometimes evoked by lack of patience within police Departments, major businesses, and City Halls across the nation.
    Initially, I was put off by such tactics, which in my personal experience, I thought it was based on false information, that had aroused inappropriate actions. In my own case, my employer assigned me to the task of initiating a response that satisfied the group that had deliberately caused an annoyance which interrupted business in a Branch Bank. A hundred people laying on the lobby floor will easily upset customers attempting to access their money! Despite the tactic I appreciated the goals soon achieved.
    Banks do have a responsibility in attending and meeting the financial needs of an entire community and not just the needs of ‘fat cats’!
    Sol Alinsky’s actions soon attracted the attention of the Jesuit order of priests in the Catholic Church. I had attended Jr. High school at a Salesian boarding school in Watsonville. Initially I saw it as ‘punishment’ for the misguided conduct at a cost of repeating the seventh grade. My widowed Mother was unaware of my incredible number of absences from school ! The eldest of three, I had asthma and could no longer live on Mac Arthur Blvd in Oakland, quite near the Altenheim within Oakland’s Dimond District. Mac Arthur Blvd was one of three major routes to Southern Alameda County. Two of those routes were cluttered with slow moving electric street cars and the problem affecting the home selected by Mother was that it was immediate to the bus stop she needed for transport to San Franccisco.
    Without an operable auto, her job took her to San Francisco where she worked as secretary to a sales manager of a major plumbing supply company… the lady was exhausted, especially with the onset of cancer. I could not live in the really old dwelling with considerable substandard features. WWII autos all needed an engine ring job and exhaust pipe emissions were crippling.
    I took up residence with maternal grandparents who had a semi-enclosed rear porch. The fresh air worked wonders and I soon found work as a news carrier, delivering papers from a bike along a 21 mile stretch of streets, inclement weather was used as an excuse for not attending school on a fairly regular basis. A younger brother and I were soon whisked away to Watsonville when, widowed paternal Grandmother sold her home to cut her expense
    While also enabling tuition and boarding expense, which was very reasonable given the fact that the Salesians operated 140 acres of agricultural, grape, orchard and cattle operations. Students had assigned, light chores to aid the operation.
    After completing 9th grade, a paternal uncle’s wife interceded and the two sponsored my enrollment at The Jesuit Prep School near Santa Clara University. The Jesuits are serious about being well educated and offering themselves to education. I spent three years, boarding on the Bellarmine campus. They were rewarding years in that I was deeply exposed to a student body which was derived from many levels of wealth, education and national origin. Their viewpoints were an education in and of itself.
    I am married to a lady who, after earlier acceptance, was turned away from a life within a teaching order on Nuns as direct result of lapsing into a diabetic coma one month prior to graduating High School. Her strength of character sees her at my side after over 58 years of marriage. More interesting is the fact that her Mother’s only brother was a Jesuit priest and her Father’s nephew was also a Jesuit Priest. I never met the Uncle but was well acquainted with wife’s cousin, a brilliant man, who according to another, who had also joined the Jesuit order and was in the same classes at the novitiate. After his death cousin was eulogized as a man who began teaching, almost unconsciously. Even to the extent that he reminded an older priest who presided at the dinner table, that he, the older man had assigned after dinner tasks with both the instruction and response, in Latin, ‘you have just used a transitive verb without an object’! That from the mouth of a man who had just turned 17.5 years of age, in August 1939.
    I relate all that for the single reason that having known them, I stand in awe of the Jesuits and for that reason I came to understand why it was that the Jesuits ‘picked up’ on the message that Sol Alinsky was ‘preaching’. They respected him to the point that Alinsky was invited to lecture at their nearby Colleges. Further, they associated with him in the creation of ‘Congregations organized for Renewal’ (COR)
    I had the experience of being visited by a Jesuit at my home. He had been referred to me by Priests or staff members at St. Joachim’s Parish Church on Hesperian Blvd, opposite the Airport. His purpose in the visit was to recruit me into a leadership position at creation of a Haywrd chapter of COR.
    I DECLINED THE REQUEST ON THE BASIS OF THE IDEA THAT SINCE I HAD NO FACILITY IN SPANISH. THAT I WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE. I REFUSED THE INVITATION WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT COR SEEK LEADERRSHIP THROUGH THE PASTOR OF THE PARISH LOCATED IN THE OLD DECOTO DISTRICT OF UNION CITY…. WHERE THE POLICE CHIEF HAD BEEN SHOT TO DEATH BY A SNIPER, THROUGH THE OPEN WINDOW OF THE ASSEMBLY BUILDING. The Priest of that Parish, personally took on the role and succeeded so well that COR subsequently established a group or ‘chapter’ in Hayward. They seem to have achieved some limited success.
    Let us be clear about COR, it is not a religious order seeking converts on a door to door basis. It is an alliance of Americans of various faiths in possession of varying intensity of effort at seeking justice as well as opportunity, for actions which serve the well being of our nation.
    I mentioned earlier in this scribble, that my employer had be subjected to a ‘sit down’ by vocal participants who objected to conditions in a particular residential site on which the bank held a note and deed of trust which had been recorded as security for that note. That particular loan had been acquired by purchase from a mortgage lender in San Francisco. The upshot was that the underlying appraisal had not been performed by an appraiser associated with my employer.
    I examined the structure in question. Not as bad as some, but hardly a ‘prime’ loan. The owner was a tough lady, reputed to be Afro-American, who was accused of being abusive by her tenants.
    Frankly, I would not have been able to see that structure used as a dog kennel. I reported the facts as I saw them. Foreclosure proceedings were initiated the moment that the process was legally enabled.
    Apparently, the members of the group used a tactic brought to the national scene by those in alliance with Sol Alinsky. I personally approve of such tactics and my employers of the moment suddenly had me representing the firm, together with other lenders in organizing “ Oakland Neighborhood Housing Services Corporation” which had the purpose of assuring access to loan money for dwellings in need of repair or refurbishment.
    No one had to make a profession of Faith in anything other than the simple concept of freedom of opportunity! It is my simplistic belief that the problem with COR in Hayward is that it has lost much in the way of zeal….. Beyond that I have nothing else to say about COR. ( Congregations Organized for Renewal.)

  • teachermama

    Well, I have heard them publicly misrepresent remarks that public officials have said privately. They also courted teachers in our school community years ago when trying to further their agenda (basically trying to form a charter school), but when it was suggested that they affect change through established channels (SSC, SBDM, PTA), they went ahead and threw all their energy toward reconstitution – an anti-teacher reform. There was all kinds of painful drama between COR, the parents and the teachers after that and to “repair” the relationship, a COR staffer contacted teachers and offered to meet one-on-one – but refused to meet with teachers as a group. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

  • John Kyle

    Teachermomma,

    Perhaps they appear to drift when seen from your point of vfiew. I will not attempt to adress that…. none of us are perfect as was seenj the night that the present board was sworfn nad before Ms.Bruinner barly had her hand on the Gavel, HEA Prwesidenbt was loudly delvering ‘instructions’ from a standing position at the rear of those assemnbledin Council Chambers.

    The heavuy set vice president of HEA has on occasion, especially when cameras are rolling, turned into soimething, almost chameleonlike,other than a wellcomposed,thoughtful. model citizen.

    I too have some reservations about the quality or quaklificwations of the present COR staff.None of us perfect and most of us correct those personal behaviors in the course of time and experience.

    FRankly, I am in the procdess of picking over a few items of contention with COR leader Heredia! wish her luck… as I refuse to just ‘go away’

    Frankly I think HEA needs a change of leadership which seems to have become a bit stale!

  • Sherry Blair

    Thank you all!

    It was so interesting to hear your story, John. Knowing the stories of our lives help us to understand our differences. I have heard Michael’s story and also Kathi’s and they are very different but equally interesting. Sharing those stories in that way allows us to all expand our worldview and to become more empathetic.

    I will tell you a little about my own story. I was born in Oakland in 1939 at the end of the great depression and just before WWII. Dad joined the Navy shortly after. I spent my childhood traveling from one place to another, leaving the old way behind and beginning a new one over and over.

    My brother and I were expected to be like ambassadors representing the US Navy wherever we went. My mother taught us that wherever we lived, we were a part of the community and should leave it better than we found it. She believed we should choose our own religion and set out to educate us about a variety of churches (all Christian) Dad was not religious and encouraged us to tell the truth and think clearly. I was also influenced by my maternal grandmother was a seeker and studied eastern and new age religions too.

    I am still learning and experiencing. I have taken an interest in many schools of thought and selected the best I saw from all of them. I am more interested in the real inner experiences and in learing. I prefer to think of people as individuals rather than as members of a religion. After all no two people are the same in any one religion. Even in the same family, the children experience life differently. My brother is happy in his fundamentalist church, for instance, and that is not for me. My reasons have to do with my real life experiences that he never experienced.

    I think far too much is said about other people’s beliefs without any real understanding of the other’s story that led them to those beliefs. The ego’s competition to be right only increases fear, hatred and violence.

    If I had my way, I would not allow personal attacks on other people or groups on this blog. Those who do so continue to make this a source of negativity for all who read it. That doesn’t mean I would not allow controversay. I think conversations are needed to find resolutions to conflict. But there are ways to do that that are non-violent and impersonal.

    Further, you don’t have to be against the Catholic Church to be against the child abuse that was perpetrated there. When Catholics try to defend the Church in that respect, they offend everyone else. The Church needs to accept the consequences of its members’ bad behavior, learn and change. When they defend themselves, others fear they haven’t learned the lesson.

    I too believe that churches should stay out of the schools. I think that is clear in our laws. If COR is a religious group, they should not be allowed in the schools. Nor should the schools be allowed to give out confidential information about individual students to them.

    We worried about this in my neighborhood when the Salvation Army got involved at school. We also stood up against the district giving the names of our high school students to the USArmy recruiters.

    However, I don’t think anyone has given me enough information to make that kind of a judgment about COR.

    Even if there were things they did wrong or that were controversial, I don’t think what was said is reason enough to wipe them off the face of the earth. Maybe it was a wrong strategy or the results of some loose cannon within the organization.

    I would like to hear from them!

  • qodrn

    I don’t know why you would bother “preventing” the US Army from getting personal information. You are aware the Army has access to this through the internal Revenue Service, right?

  • Sherry Blair

    I have been enjoying looking up all those new (to me) names – the Salesians, etc. I think I would have loved Sol Alinsky for his work on behalf of the disenfranchised. Also with John Bosco’s “Preventive System” calling education a matter of the heart. “..boys must not only be loved but know that they are loved.” By the way he apparently feard that some may go too far in their affection and sensuality.
    And his mentor, Francis de Sales realization that God is Love fits my own view.

    Thanks, John.

    No, Qodrn, I wasn’t aware that the Army accessed the IRS records. However, I do believe that student records are confidential even to the Army.

  • John Kyle

    Ms. Blair;
    I am sure that a family’s life in the Navy was much like being at sea… smooth sailing one day, wind blown the next with much weight born by your Mother while Dad was either away at sea and/or separated by duty hours which are totally unlike a 9:00 to 5:00 job no matter where or what the assignment. I spent a few weeks at sea between my junior and senior years at high school, enjoyed the work experience as well as the money I earned in that experience. With the occurrence of the waterfront strike of September ’48…a BREAK FOR ME in the long run. My Mother’s illness was becoming acute and I would not have destroyed her hopes by failing to finish High School. She died within two years and three months
    and I grew up in a hurry as two younger brothers were involved and grandparents were all well along in years. Mother passed on Christmas day and I have always been buoyed by the idea that for a Christian, death on that day is a mark of recognition in adherence to the faith.
    You speak of the R.C.Church’s problem with sexual abuse. My greatest concern over the matter is that for those Priests who have remained faithful to vows, that it must be a matter of great difficulty. Yet the fact is they continue in service and adherence to their vows.
    On that subject, it is interesting to note that early in year 2008, a business man of the Hebrew Faith was piqued by the amount of press coverage given to the abuse existent in one sect. The man commissioned a study and then had the courage to print the results which might easily have damaged his retail business. I was advised of all this by a daughter who had moved with her husband and daughters to Louisville Ky., which apparently was, or is not too distant from the man’s business located in another state on the northern side of the Ohio River. She provided me with a well circulated internet summary of the newspaper’s published article.
    It began…:
    Proud of being Catholic…. Excerpts of an article written by Sam Miller, prominent Jewish Businessman located in Cleveland who is not a Catholic.
    Mr. Miller wrote and these few words are an excerpt from his article page which clearly accommodated his identity as a retail businessman.
    Why would newspapers carry on a vendetta on one of the most important institutions that we have today, in the United State, namely the Catholic Church?
    Do you know the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students every day at the cost to your Church of 10 billion dollars and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars Your graduate go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%, all at a cost to you, To the rest of the Americans it’s free..
    The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students.
    The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people… not just Catholics…in the United States today.
    But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this Country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.
    Let me give you some figures that you Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed ADMITTED TO SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A PARISHIONER; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a a study done by the United Methodist Church; 41.8% of clergy women reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17% of laywomen have been sexually harassed. Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a Catholic problem.
    A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood and find it even better than they had expected and that most, if given the choice, would choose to be priests again in face of all this obnoxious PR that the church has been receiving.
    The Catholic Church is bleeding from self-inflicted wounds. The agony that Catholics have felt and suffered is not necessarily the fault of the Church. You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded by now.
    Walk with your shoulders high and your head held higher. Be a proud member of the most important non-governmental agency in the United States. Then remember what Jeremiah said: “Stand by the roads, look and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is and walk in it, to find rest for your souls.” Be proud to speak up for your faith with pride and reverence; learn what your Church does for all other religions. Be proud that you are Catholic.
    Mrs Blair, those words from a non-Catholic are re-assuring to me in the sense that there are many in this country who take comfort in the idea that there some who have the courage to speak up and express an underlying belief that a persecution will not occur in this country based on conflicting religious belief.
    It was after my daughter moved to Louisville Ky. That I learned of the events occurring in that City some 15 years prior to the Civil war. In the City some 140 (+) Catholics were picked up on the streets or pulled from their homes and lynched. Investigators approached a list of suspects in that matter who when questioned replied. “I know nothing” with such repetitiveness as to brand the region as the base for ‘the know nothing party’. I do not recall reading or hearing that any were brought to justice. The lengthy history of violence involving African-American folks, over a long period of time, is well known and equally indefensible. On the whole, I do not think that any of us would willingly give up our personal protections under the Constitution in these United States.
    Wrongs committed against any of us by indirection or otherwise will be most assuredly be rectified at a moment chosen by our Creator. It was providential that Al Smith lost his bid for the presidency in 1928. Recognizing the fact that 5,000 folks dressed in white garments and masked, in the fashion of the KKK marched down Market Street In San Francisco, it was fortunate that Al lost! Otherwise, Catholics might have been subjected to a hard time during the depression. I always thought it a bit humorous that the KKK parade occurred in the City of Saint Francis in a State which bears so many names taken from those identified as Saints by the RC Church or it’s rites, such ’Sacramento’ or ‘Los Angeles’. The US Navy even named submarine ‘Corpus Cristi’ or in English, ‘Body of Christ’, which I thought was contradictory to the purpose of that boat.
    I would not trade my US Citizenship for that of any other Country in the world. Then too, I possess an Honorable Discharge from military service…… and at present age of 81 will soon enjoy a ‘free grave’ in a National Cemetery, not too far from Oakland the place of my birth, as a second generation US born citizens.