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Loop meeting Thursday

By rparr
Sunday, March 24th, 2013 at 9:41 pm in Alameda County, Ashland, Castro Valley, Fairview, Hayward, San Lorenzo, Transportation, Union City.

In case you missed it, Hayward staff members will be holding a meeting Thursday to talk about the loop and the rest of the Route 238 Corridor Improvement project.

It seems everybody has an opinion on the new one-way traffic loop through downtown Hayward that started March 16. My perspective? It seems to work if you’re in the correct lane to get to where you want to go. I’m hoping that with final paving, striping and signs, it will be more clearer.

I have been testing out the loop from different approaches for a week. It is still confusing as to which lane you need to be in, but I think we’ll figure that out. I do hope that Hayward PD has radar guns out on Foothill Boulevard headed north; the tickets from speeders could generate quite a bit of income for the city.

Drivers headed east on A Street seem to be confused when they hit the one-way segment. Some are looping back down B Street and then right to A Street west; others seem to have no idea where to go. I’m pretty sure I would be confused, if not downright lost, if I were not from Hayward and was trying to head east on A Street.

Now, what does this mean to downtown merchants? I’m sure they will express their opinions at Thursday’s meeting, which starts at 9 a.m. in Room 1C at City Hall, 777 B St. Can’t make the meeting? The city’s loop website: haywardloop.org.

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  • Teresa Conti

    Quite a few folks spoke up tonight at the city council meeting. Estimates that traffic in the area is down about 20%. My son in an unofficial poll notes that the folks at his local Lucky’s seem to be about 25% more since the loop went it. Folks avoiding downtown? The problem with the loop is it only works in one direction. To go the other way, one winds up going way out of the way which is nuts with gas approaching $4 a gallon.

  • Michael Moore

    Teresa, I live in North Hayward and my pre-loop travel was always down Mission to Downtown. I still like the loop because the traffic flows much faster. In fact Councilperson Zermeno is advocating more crosswalks in the area.

    I cannot understand this. Promoting the crosswalks in an area that is all about increasing speed and reducing congestion, which the loop does well, is only going to end up with more incidents of collision between drivers and pedestrians. Not real smart in my opinion. The City of Hayward either wants the decreased congestion and increased unobstructed flow that the Hayward Loop enables or we want to have a City of Hayward Haven of Multiple Use and Pedestrian Access and Safe Cycling areas with traffic slowed down and controlled. That of course is not the loop.

    My friend Sherry Blair advocates the referral to the individual and the loss of the collective blame when not all the representatives of the class are bad.

    Anyone who thinks that crosswalks across four lanes of traffic are a good idea when the goal is to have timed lights and steady flow of traffic is a knucklehead and a poor representative of the plan. That sounds like Councilman Zermeno to me.

  • Teresa Conti

    Well, it seems that the loop=freeway with many drivers speeding through the area. Plus, people are still crossing where the crosswalks were and it is dangerous because of the increased speed of cars. It does seem silly to have the crosswalks in the loop. And I don’t like the loop.

  • Michael Moore

    Teresa, while I like the loop. I think it does what it was designed to do. I think the loop is not really a part of the Hayward Master Plan, which promotes cycling, walking and multiple uses without cars.

    I have always thought that the votes for the loop were bought by the business interests who wanted the fast bypass of Downtown Hayward. Clearly the voters have not thought so, because they voted out those that voted against the loop and returned loopers like Sweeney and Zermeno who are acting as real politicians and championing crosswalks across four lanes so that more pedestrians, seniors and children can be killed by speeders who are not actively discouraged by the police at the direct request of the Council.

    Typical actions by those who are corrupt. What a surprise.

  • Sherry Blair

    The way I understand this is that the city wants to speed up and to slow down at the same time! The original plan was all about getting people through town quickly. Now, the interest is more about slowing through traffic down so the out of towners will spend their money downtown! That is the whole plan for the Off-Grid mobile food events, for instance.

    It would be interesting to get feedback from those out of towners. Maybe we could have people honk if they like it.

  • Michael Moore

    Honking I guess is OK, but who is going to measure the honks? I am not sure that you should include the class of folks you call the out of towners. Who are they and why would they stop.

    I think we should ask Zermeno and Sweeney to account for their flip flop on the loop.

  • Monica

    Michael do you know which council members voted for and against the loop? I can’t remember.

  • Michael Moore

    Monica, in fact I do. What is important is that you should remember that it was a vote that ended up being unanimous so that there was no doubt about what Hayward wanted. Stand up some time at the meeting and ask them. They will tell you.

    Of course they will also change their mind.

  • Teresa Conti

    Well, I had to brave the loop today. There was one lane from mission to foothill. One. Traffic was backed up on Mission. There was also one lane to foothill from Jackson that was not backed up. At a certain point, maybe E Street there were suddenly like 6 lanes open with almost zero cars on Foothill. Turned on A Street. Not too many cars. Big signs on Main about turning on east 14th to reach mission. Didn’t see any folks making U turns back to A st. turned on east 14th/mission. Should have took Main. There was ONE open street all clogged up to Mission. Meanwhile there were two or more streets devoted to Jackson with zero traffic in that direction. Finally several cars raced around the corner to Jackson. Where are the cops? Anyway, after sitting, made it through the intersection to where I sat in one lane. Eventually Mission opened up into three or so lanes that had almost nobody there, even going up to Cal State. Saw no one walking around downtown Hayward/A Street. No one in the park either. Did I mention this was at about 12:30 Pm? Anyway, I don’t know why they were waiting for the light fixtures. I don’t think the ones I saw had any lights on ‘em. Plus they look like they fit the old road configuration better. Nice to see B Street two ways again.

  • Teresa Conti

    Next time, I want to take some pictures.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/hayward rparr

    The council vote approving the loop in 2007 was 4-3, with council members Barbara Halliday, Kevin Dowling, Bill Quirk and Doris Rodriquez voted in favor; voting against were Mayor Michael Sweeney and councilmen Olden Henson and Bill Ward.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/hayward rparr

    Footnote: As Mr. Dowling reminded me last week, the loop concept was put forth by opponents of the proposed Foothill Freeway, which would have run through the Hayward foothills and connected Interstate 580 with Interstate 680 in Fremont.

  • Michael Moore

    Rebecca, I did not remember that Mayor Sweeney voted against the Loop. I recall him supporting it. I apologize for not having the facts right. Thank you for setting the record straight.

  • Teresa Conti

    Are any of the folks who voted for the loop actually going to use the thing?

  • Michael Moore

    Teresa, none of us voted for it and most of the folks who did are no longer in office, so no, none of the folks who voted for it except Barbara Halliday are still around. Everyone else is gone. Of course if you voted for Barbara, Kevin, Bill or Doris I guess you voted for it.

  • Ada

    After the 2008 election, a second vote on the loop was taken. Those in favor were Kevin Dowling, Francisco Zermeno, Barbara Halliday and Bill Quirk. Those against were Michael Sweeney, Anna Liveria May and Olden Henson.

  • Teresa Conti

    Strangely, a number of years ago when Hayward voted for the overpass through the hills, I thought that meant it would be built. No, it never was. Obviously, our leaders felt they new better than us.

  • Teresa Conti

    ok its knew.

  • Monica

    Thanks Ada. That sounds like what I sort of remember. I do remember that Zermeno and May ran their campaigns opposed to the loop.