Where Lane and Al went wrong

Update: Talking to reporters on the field following the Senior Bowl, Lane Kiffin sidestepped questions regarding his status with the Raiders.

“I’m not going to comment on that. That’s got nothing to do with this game, these guys’ last game here, and I’m real proud of the way they played and competed,” Kiffin said. “It was a fun week.”

Asked if he will be coaching the Raiders in the fall, Kiffin said, “I hope so.”

There are a lot of different ways Lane Kiffin could have shot down reports regarding his demise in the eyes of Al Davis, and reasonable people can agree that saying “I’m not going to comment on anything that transpired in the last three weeks” is not one of them.

Nor is coaching the Senior Bowl in a black Under Armour windbreaker, with the name “Raiders” nowhere in sight. The rest of the staff is adorned in Raiders gear.

It reminds me of the time Jon Gruden showed up to his season-ending press conference the day after a playoff loss to New England in a maroon polo shirt instead of his usual Raiders garb.

Not long afterward, he was on his way to Tampa Bay.

During Saturday’s Senior Bowl broadcast, field reporter Charles Davis said Kiffin told him he didn’t want to comment on rumors that Davis asked for his resignation, essentially the same thing he said the day before.

“He said he didn’t want to comment on anything that happened in the last three weeks to a month, but what I do want to focus on is this game today,” Davis reported Kiffin as saying. “We focused on these kids all week long and coaching them, we’re going to focus on them today in this game. We don’t want to cheat them at all.”

NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said he believed the Raiders and Kiffin were negotiating a settlement of his contract, the end result being Oakland would be the first team since the Minnesota Vikings in 1984 (Les Steckel) and 1985 (Bud Grant) to have consecutive coaches who lasted a single season.

A year ago, Kiffin was hailed by Davis as superior to Jon Gruden, glossing over the fact that his first choice was actually Steve Sarkisian, the co-offensive coordinator along with Kiffin at USC. Davis raved about Kiffin’s grasp of the total game and his value as a personnel man because of his background as recruiting coordinator.

It wasn’t just Davis’ refusal to part with Rob Ryan that fractured the relationship, although that was part of it.

The fact is, it became apparent as the season went on that Kiffin and Davis differ philsophically, and many of the things Kiffin did and said no doubt rubbed the boss the wrong way.

Davis believes he has stocked the Raiders with enough talent to be consistent winners.

“We’ve got good players. What I worry about is injuries,” Davis said during a training camp press conference.

Kiffin, looking at the 15-49 record upon his arrival, never bought it. He admitted making final cuts wasn’t all that difficult because the Raiders didn’t have enough good players to make it difficult.

When the Raiders finished the season by facing Green Bay, Indianapolis, Jacksonville and Denver, Kiffin, when assessing how his team had held together, said, it was difficult “when you’re not playing anybody like yourself.”

While perhaps not meant as a jab at Davis’ acquisition of talent, go ahead and assume Davis felt that way.

The week the Raiders played the Colts, Kiffin talked with admiration about a roster stocked with the type of players Davis wouldn’t want.

“Their linebackers are 5-11. They’ve got a 5-9 safety, a 6-foot defensive end,” Kiffin said. “They get a lot of people later in rounds that other people don’t take because of size or because of what they evaluate. They see what other people don’t. In that system, tackling is one of the first things you evaluate, and you can see it. They take people, because they’re really good players, and they tackle real well.”

Davis made it clear during training camp that dealing Randy Moss was Kiffin’s idea.

“If Lane felt that was best for the team I was going to do it,” Davis said. “And we did it. We didn’t get near what we should have. Randy Moss, if he’s well, can still play, in my opinion. Our coaches didn’t think so.”

It couldn’t have set well with Davis when Kiffin blamed him for breeding the culture which Moss wanted no part of.

“Randy had made it very clear to me, his statement was, ‘Coach, this has nothing to do with you. I have already heard great things about what you are doing there already, but I am not going to play for that organization, and I don’t want any part of it. I don’t like the way I have been treated there,’ ” Kiffin told Minnesota writers on a conference call.

“It was out of my control. Randy wasn’t going to play here and he made it very clear, so it was a direction that this organization needed to go because he wasn’t happy and he wasn’t going to play here for whatever reason, the things that happened before I got here.”

Getting rid of Moss was a big part in another Kiffin belief not held by Davis _ team chemistry.

Kiffin made repeated references over the course of the season to “cleaning out the locker room” and ridding it of bad influences.

Davis is on record as saying he doesn’t believe in team chemistry.

Where Kiffin stood on the drafting of JaMarcus Russell is not clear. Leading up to the draft, I was told Kiffin preferred Brady Quinn, but I never heard it from Kiffin himself and misinformation is rampant where the draft is concerned.

When the season was over, Kiffin was no longer a Davis prodigy. He was a 4-12 coach, the same as Bill Callahan and Norv Turner in their final seasons. Kiffin was just two games better than Art Shell who had no right to ask for his own choice as defensive coordinator.

To make matters worse in Davis’ eyes, Kiffin did little to refute rumors which connected him to college jobs at Arkansas, Michigan and UCLA.

A Contra Costa Times poll asked readers “As a Raiders fan who would you rather get rid of, Al Davis or Lane Kiffin?

At last check, Davis had 1,112 votes to be shown the door and Kiffin 31.

When Kiffin accepted the job, he made it clear on several occasions it was on the condition that certain things were in place. He never specified what those things were, but implied it had to do with the makeup of the roster and coaching staff.

Hope he got that in writing.


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • CopenhagenFan

    The Dublin Bottom Feeders

  • http://none FIRE KIFFIN

    Copenhagen – With all due respect, stick to handball.

  • chappy23us

    If somebody promised you something to get you to sign a contract then refused to honor his word wouldn’t you want out too? Al needs to step away and hand this once-proud franchise off to someone who can run it competently. This is the only way Al can repair his severely tarnished image. As far as I am concerned he will not be remembered as a 3 time Super bowl winner but rather as a dylusional old man desperately trying to prove he is still relevant.

  • CopenhagenFan

    Fire Kiffin> I don’t see you making any compelling arguments to contradict any of the statements being said about Al Davis. All I hear is whining about how people who oppose his leadership are not real Raider fans. Tell me what Al has done right during the last 5 years, other than hiring Kiffin?

  • snake

    we need a GM period end of story

  • http://oakglenn Oakglenn

    Good morning Raider Nation!!! Please, whoah, everyone, put down your sabres, let’s put out those torches, and would someone please take that flaming effigy of Al Davis down from the main mast. Jesus. Thank you.

    First off, the media reports don’t make sense while the Raider reports DO make sense. Let’s look at all the “smoke” you guys claim precedes “fire”.
    1) Davis sent resignation letter to Kiff, Kiff replies by saying fire me. You know this probably DID happen. Funny thing, it happens all the time in sports organizations. Read my posts from yesterday. So what’s the result???? We KNOW the result. Kiff said he ain’t quitting, Davis said he ain’t firing. Story is over right there. Back to business as usual.
    2) Oh wait, there’s a letter stripping Kiff of all his duties. This was Patently completely denied as a flat out lie by none other than Herrera AND Trask. Again, Trask is an attorney, and she knows something about contracts. If this were true Kiff could IMMEDIATELY FILE A GRIEVANCE with the NFL and win. There is NO WAY the Raiders would do that. Doesn’t make sense, legally or structurally.
    3) Lastly, Kiff wasn’t wearing Raider gear at the Senior Bowl. Hold on. Kiffin wasn’t wearing Raider gear at the Senior Bowl!! Well run for the hills Ma Freaking Barker!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow. The only smoke I see there, is coming out of Adam Shefter’s ASSSSSS! Kiffin was wearing Silver and Black Under Armour gear per the sponsorship contract with the Senior Bowl Asswipe.

    Sooooooo, one of the wisest things ever told is the expression, “consider the source.” The first story broke from the SF Media, Ray Ratto and Nancy Gay. You guys it would take me weeks to break down how many times the SF press has “broken” bad false stories about Oakland teams, just to demoralize the fans. This has happened sooooo many times it would take weeks to document it. As a matter of fact this happens NON-STOP. The next source is Peter King and Chris Mortenson with ESPN. Oh Shit, they’ve never broken a wrong story about the Raiders now have they????? 3 weeks ago, they both said Ryan was gone, where I came on THIS SITE and told all of you, Ryan ain’t going nowhere, and some of you LAMBASTED ME for that. Well, 3 weeks later…
    Now, we come to Adam Shefter. Adam Shefter. A former Denver Bronco team reporter. Do we need to say more? Shefter got his national credibility by saying last year, Art Shell would be fired, three days after the season ended. Wow. 2-14 Art Shell, whose team quit on him after week 9. What a great piece of journalistic foresight. Shoot Shefter should’ve won the Pulitzer Prize for that!!!! I KNEW Shell was gone in Week 4, for gawd sakes. The reason the Raiders denied that story was they wanted to give Shell some dignity by NOT having it spilled all over the national press before they had talked to him. Shefter is an ass wipe.
    Now at all of you. Raider RR, hang your head in shame. Thank God Black home Priest isn’t here to see this. Look at you others over there, dumping your Raider gear over the side. I mean what the fooook???? This is EXACTLY what all those screw heads wanted-to get the Nation divided. To destroy the greatest Fan base in all of sport by rumours and innuendos. What is wrong with some of you?? You cannot destroy the Raider Nation!!! You can’t divide the Raider Nation!!!!! Everyone that is still left, I want to hear NATION on three. Ready, one, two, three, NATION!

  • http://none rich_gannons_love_child

    i don’t think ANYONE in here is hailing kiffin as a genius. again, that’s not the point. kiffin by no means is an upper-tier coach, well, not yet at least. point is, a team needs a consistant purpose and vision; a common theme. if we keep changing coaches, that will never be achieved.

    do you think jack del rio a great coach?? how about tom coughlin?? no way. their players, however, do buy into what they do and say. christ, it took longer than 2 years for bellichek to build the patriots into what they are.

    but keeping a coach for longer than 2 years would be rational, and these days, there haven’t been too many rational things going on in alameda.

  • ???

    This whole thing is getting very boring, and I hope it dies by the end of this week one way or the other.

    If Al wants Lane gone then fine be a man you old coot pay him his money and part the ways. Even though I think brining in yet another head coach yet again would be a mistake.

    Then since doing this will perrty much seal the fate of next year as another loosing one why not just make Rob Ryan the new head puppet.

    The team is going to suck so lets make things entertaining and we can watch Ryan and his crazy hair stom up and down the sidelines cussing at anyboddy and everybody as his team finds yet another way to lose a game.

    It would be like watching John Madden if he had been coaching a crappy team. :) They may not win but it might be fun to watch Ryan go through a melt down every week. :)

    Al though that being said if he was smart if Lane leaves Ryan should walk too why stay on a sinking ship?

  • chappy23us

    Sorry Oakglenn but the writing is on the wall. The only reason Kiffin is still the “head coach” is because Davis does not want to pay him off. On three-Al Davis is a pathetic old man!

  • CopenhagenFan

    Oakglen> I respect your post and it seems coherent enough, but if the Media is spitting The Nation apart then It’s Al Davis’ job to make it right. He ain’t done that yet.

  • Huff24

    The statements from fans today is a far cry from what people were saying last off-season. IF this information is true regarding Al Davis, I told ya so. You just have to admit that Al Davis does business in his own way and like no other. He also tends to do it the wrong way with his beliefs that don’t add up to today’s game. With or without the current news, this is how Al Davis is and the media is using what they know about him to broadcast this stuff even greater. If Al Davis is going to win, its going to be on his terms because in his mind, he is right. Thats all that matters to him.

    Regardless of the truth in the recent news, I would really like to see Davis go. I don’t know how it can get done but it needs to get done. I don’t know who to replace Davis with but I don’t think his family is the answer. Anybody who has a father like Al Davis HAS to be screwed up. I can’t imagine his son being any less insane. Its nice to see so many people have a wakeup call and at the same time…I feel really bad about it because I admire everyones love for Al Davis. I just don’t agree with it.

    I have seen the light a long time ago and many people fought for AD but blindly. If you want the Raiders to win, you just have to open your eyes and see the true light of the man that has run this organization into the ground. Can he pick some amazing coaches? Sure but he has also gone away from picking amazing coaches by instead picking coaches who will do what HE wants instead of what THEY want. Madde, Shanahan, Gruden and Kiffin are examples that Davis knows a great coach when he sees one. He just lacks the patience and the ability to see the future by the way of a plan.

    AD doesn’t care about chemistry. He doesn’t care about control. AD is like the Raiders. Out of control and full of penalties. Al Davis moved the Raiders away from us. He brought the Raiders back but with the PSL crap. We hardly get any Raider coverage as the San Francisco Bay Area has DOMINATED the air waves over anything Oakland. Isn’t that sad? I wish to God we had a station that we could listen to that had more to do with the Raiders but no…we’re forced to listen to a station that bags on the Raiders day in and day out.

    Thats AD’s fault. There is no other way to think about it. This sh!t has to stop. A few catchy phrases, a team that never tackles, always commits the most amount of penalties, always goes against what the teams around the league are doing…etc. I would like to wait for more concrete news to the stories listed above but this information stinks of Al Davis in that its typical. It is too much like Al Davis not to believe. This is who he is and this is who he has been and while most have ignored that fact…its about time we wakeup from this nightmare and find a way to oust the man you have all loved because it is obvious that the game has passed him by. Don’t let the game pass you by as well.

  • saintkaufman

    Drama sells and business is good.

    Way to go OG!

  • M

    A question for System’s Moderator (post #575)
    Did you mean to infer that anyone who accesses this sit by wireless (as I do) will be permanently banned or merely those who are on the “exclude” list?

  • http://none FIRE KIFFIN

    Al is God. Al is a legend. Al is an icon.

    Al doesn’t need anyone to defend him. Al has forgorren more about footbal than ANY of us will ever know. You can all say negative things about him if it makes you feel better, but deep down you all realize that NONE of you know anything about football, myself included relative to his knowlege and expertise. If Al thinks Kiffin isn’t the right man for the job, than I trust his judgement.

    Al is God.

    Kiffin’s a fraud.

    Just Win Baby.

  • http://FixtheboldJerry.com Terrapin

    Wow 600+ odd posts on this blog entry. My apologies but I’m sure u understand that I just couldn’t go through all of that. At the same time I don’t have to.

    The vast majority of Raider fans are of the same accord on this one. This situation, if it is one, is just beyond comprehension. Its unbelievable to be sure.

    The one thing I’m not gettin’ is these coaches wanting to come to Oakland for an interview. Do they not see the situation as it stands or is everything being reported by the media speculating lies? If I were a coach I would not want to coach here. I don’t care how rare the job is. They’ll put themselves in an absolutely horrific situation.

    What’s scary is we have no statements or PC from the organization willing to explain what happened or is going on. From the outside looking in this is chaotic.

  • CopenhagenFan

    Yeah Al is kinda like God…an old outdated fictional character that is vengeful and judgemental ha ha ha

    Just win baby??? Al’s not winning, he’s gotta live up to his own motto and cut the cord because he’s not delivering the goods. It’s the same logic that he uses with his coaches. You don’t win, you get shown the door.

  • CopenhagenFan

    Can we trade Al for a 4th rounder?

  • Vicky

    John Clayton just mentioned that both Al Saunders and James Lofton will be interviewing this week and so hopefully we will know about Kiffin’s state this week one way or the other. Also, there is an article on MSNBC.com that Al and Kiffin have clashed from the start. Al Saunders is unlikely to get the job because he commands big-time money and I think Al is cheap

  • http://none Robert Zimmerman

    Chaos is a friend of mine.

  • http://none Bo Jackson’s Hip

    On a slightly different note…

    Does anyone else hate the Corny A$$ way Raider shows are presented? The Raider Report and Behind the Shield… They even have guys who normally tell it like it is spewing the company rhetoric. Guys like JT The Brick…Papa….Plunkett…I really like those guys, but it is hard to watch…it insults my intelligence. And I LOVE the Raiders, and I can’t stand to watch it….I still watch it, but it annoys me.

    Does anyone else feel this way?

  • RaiderEd

    I have been a Raider fan my whole life and will be until the day I die. Here’s the thing though, I’m only 24 years old. I was 9 months old when the Raiders crushed the Redskins in Super Bowl XVIII. In the 24 seasons since we’ve only played in one other SB and got spanked (I’ll get into that more later). Here is a quick summary of what I’ve experienced in my Raider lifetime so far:

    1. During the last 6 seasons in L.A. with Art Shell as coach we won two playoff games (but one of those games only brings back the painful memories of Bo Jackson). The farthest we advanced was the AFC championship where Buffalo beat us by a million points.

    2. In the 13 seasons the team has been back in Oakland we’ve made the playoffs 3 times… 3 times!!!! The season we finally make it to the SB we face the coach who built our team and we were still using his playbook. We’re on our 7th head coach, and that may go up to 8 this offseason.

    3. Terrible draft after terrible draft. Rickey Dudley, Matt Stinchcomb, Derrick Gibson, Napoleon Harris, Phillip Buchanon, Tyler Brayton, Robert Gallery, Teyo Johnson, Langston Walker, Fabian Washington, etc. The one that kills me the most is Sebastion Janikowski with the 17th pick in the 2000 draft. A kicker in the first round, and an inaccurate one at that!!!! The latest blunder being using the first pick in the 3rd round last year on Quentin Moses only to cut him. The highest draft choice in NFL history to not make the team that drafted him. Sustained success can only come through building your team through the draft, which is why we have sucked for so long. Who’s the head scout for the Raiders? The one and only Al Davis

    I could go on and on, but my point is that the one constant in all of this is Al Davis. For as brilliant as he was before I was born I’ve only seen him make stupid mistake after mistake, and these last five years have been a nightmare. Aside from Jon Gruden, none of the coaching hires he’s made have agreed with me, including Lane Kiffin. He’s made the environment so bad that no highly touted coaches want to work for him (Sean Payton, Jason Garrett, Ken Whisenhunt). Even Bobby Petrino turned us down. Our front office continues to be understaffed and overmatched, and as a result the depth of our roster will continue to suffer.

    What’s happening now is not about Lane Kiffin with me. It is totally about Al Davis and the way he’s run this team. The difference between Lane Kiffin and the rest of the garbage hires like Norv Turner, Shell 2.0, and Callahan is that the difference in the product on the field was obvious. We only won two more games, but we we had a chance to win 9 to 10 of the games we lost, and that’s a huge accomplishment considering the roster Kiffin took over. Adding more good players to the roster will turn those close losses into wins, but the old man is senile enough to think this team should’ve made the playoffs… UTTERLY RIDICULOUS & UNREALISTIC.

    At some point I’d like to brag about a SB win that I’ve witnessed, but with AD running things I’m pessimistic. Boycotting is an admirable idea, but in the end he’ll never change. He’ll probably just move the team again. Getting rid of Lane Kiffin now after a positive year is a mistake, even if he was interested in other jobs. The bottom line is that if AD hadn’t turned the franchise into a joke we wouldn’t have these problems.

    GO RAIDERS… SILVER & BLACK FOR LIFE (I just want this nightmare to end)

  • http://none mafiola

    what is the saddest part of all this??

    AL Davis doesnt give a damn what we, the media, his family, his staff, God and The Devil think.

    He just listens to his ego and maybe, Michael Jackson.

  • http://none FIRE KIFFIN

    Bo’s Hip- I concur.

  • snake

    i love the fact that he can no longer throw around the most winning team in all of sports, and no more…the greatest monday night team, by the time hes done non of these things will be true, hes ruined his own legacy

  • Vicky

    What do u guys think about Al Saunders? He is supposed to be an offensive mind and his playbook is supposed to be over 700 pages. he also follows the “vertical game” rather than the west coast offense

  • RaiderHarv ?? How long?

    Matt Crawley,

    I feel you. I have been a season ticket holder since I could afford them back in the late 90’s. Also, I travel from the LA area up to Oakand for the home games. I’m not just spending hard earned money on tickets, it’s costing me travel also. For what???? I’m a die heart Raider Fan….that is questioning the direction the organization is heading in, again??? Yeah, these are only rumors…but hell, why do they continue when I thought we were heading in the right direction….Yeah Al Davis, we were only 4-12…but atleast it was fun attending games at the end of the season. Last year, the month of december was horrible. The team was lost…This year, Kiff kept the squad together and battled in every game. Thats the big diiference and why I felt we were heading in the right direction. With the addition of a few good players and a good draft, we will contend next year. But all this crap of firing the coach and Kiff not getting along with Al….enough already…

    Yesterday questions should have been, who are you looking to draft?, not will you be back next year!!!!!


  • http://none mafiola

    Behind The Shield, The Raiders Report, Raiders.com, and anything that is raiders’ official, is the same as the team: It has to be approved by AL Davis. So it all will be sh*t

  • Big AL’s GOON

    People here have been praising and hailing Kiffin as genius since he was first hired. And for what? Because he coached at USC. Kiffin has done nothing to deserve being compared to the great Raider coaches of the past, yet it was and still is being done. Kiffin comes in talking all that absolute crap-ola, cutting players left and right and brings in basically an entirely different fails during the season and does nothing but make more excuses and threaten how he’s going to cut even more players blah-blah-blah. Kiffin you won four lousy games you deserve nothing but the door. And for those that think we should blindly continue on with this guy Kiffin for the sake of continuity, please. Can we at least hire a coach with some NFL coaching expereince and know how. Someone with a proven track record. Kiffin failed and badly.

  • saintkaufman

    Same old, same old. Nothing to see here, move it along.

    The Raiders nor Al will be baited into making any press releases or conferences just to satisfy the media’s speculation. This has been like this for years and has made the Raiders a very easy target for local media who know that they can say pretty much anything they want without any return fire.

    The media wants a dialog with the Raiders badly and Al will not give it to them. He is in the business of football, not explaining what someone heard thru someone’s sister’s cousin’s boyfriend. IT’S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS!!

    I think Kiffin enjoys it to be honest with you.

    So they get their 2-3 stories a week with hopes of maybe someday breaking the Raider nut!

  • L BERK

    Reading on whats going on with the Redskins it looks like we have company in the world of chaos!

  • CopenhagenFan

    Al Saunders?

    The Dumbest Team in American can’t handle a 700 page playbook, especially with a rookie QB.

    The vertical game? Yeah let’s do that….no recievers who can actually get deep and an offensive left tackle who will get our multi millionare untested QB killed.

    Al Davis is a genius.

  • M

    This topic has brought out some of the best creative writing I have witnessed on this blog. Wonderful. Story-telling at its best. Unfounded rumors and widespread speculation have put words in everyones’ minds.
    Let’s see, Dennis Green as head coach might bring along Larry Fitzgerald. I’d take that in a heartbeat over the current circumstance.
    A question for Gannon’s_Love _Child. You are a football coach correct? Now, with no NFL experience whatsoever would you, as a new HC of the Raiders be expected to be handed complete control over all decisions regarding coaches and personnel from day one of your tenure? Even if you were not given complete control immediately, would you expect your control to be elevated after winning a very modest 25% of your games?

  • Huff24

    Fire Kiffin – Firing another coach isn’t the answer. How many coaches do you want to go through? If you’re mad about the choice of coaches we have had, then blame Al Davis because hes the one that makes all of these decisions. I’m just happy to see a coach finally put his foot down and fight for himself unlike Joe Bugel, Mike White, Norv Turner and Art Shell.

    The coaches who have fought Al Davis have gone on to win Superbowls while we have continued to lose. Shanahan fought for himself and later won 2 Superbowls. Gruden fought for himself and won a Superbowl against us. Kiffin is fighting for himself and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him win a Superbowl somewhere else. Joe Bugel? Never mentioned. Mike White? Never mentioned. Norv Turner…It took a GREAT team to make him look good but he had about 8 years to make a winner out of Washington and 2 years with the Raiders. The Chargers were already good but not good enough. Art Shell? Only the Raiders would be dumb enough to hire him as Head Coach TWICE.

    Bill Callahan was right when he called this team The Dumbest Team in America. The truth hurts. I don’t think he was only calling the players that…he was focusing on the organization as a whole. John Fox…a former Raider Defensive Coordintor who “supposedly” had a feud with Al Davis which I believe to be true has gone to a Superbowl. Our Superbowl team was built by Jon Gruden and taken away by Jon Gruden.

    Also, you want another coach? Who the hell wants to coach the Raiders? Do you realize that Kiffin is here because nobody else wants the freakin job? It doesn’t matter who coaches the Raiders, Al Davis has the final say anyways so you have your coach. As long as Al Davis is here, he will be coaching this team. You would know that since you called him a God, a legend and an icon. By the way, even Gods, Legends and Icon’s get too old at one time or another.

  • http://none FIRE KIFFIN

    Stop whining. Suck it up. Suffer in silence.

    Lane Kiffin is a used car salesman.

    Some of you bought his act hook, line, and sinker.

    Thankfully, Al does isn’t so easily hoodwinked.

    Just win Baby.

  • Vicky

    I totally agree that unless we get about 10 new players, Al Saunders will be another failure. Read this about Al Saunders and you will know that the Dumbest Team in America can’t handle him


    “The Al Saunders offense, an Air Coryell offense, requires a quarterback with a very accurate sense of timing and trust with the receiver”

    I don’t think we have the accurate sense of timing and trust with our current QB/receiver duo

  • CopenhagenFan

    Vicky > Air Coryell only works when you have Dan Fouts, Kellen Winslow, Chuck Muncie, Wes Chandler and John Jefferson…….or Mel Grey, Terry Metcalf and Jim Hart.

  • http://none Bo Jackson’s Hip

    Al’s Goon…

    I disagree.

    It was clear that while we only won 4 games, we were a much better product on the field. We looked like a real team for a change.

  • Vicky

    So it appears that AL Saunders will be another classic move by Al Davis. I think the old man has lost it.

  • Big AL’s GOON

    The only direction Kiffin is leading the Raiders in is in the direction of yet another losing season filled with more excuses and blaming everyone but himself. I knew AL wouldn’t sit back for to much longer and watch Kiffin further destroy the Raiders. As usual AL will find away to get us back on top not some Monte Kffin want to be that has never headed anything let alone a professional football team. Send Kiffin and his four wins packing AL, Denny Green will do just fine.

  • http://oakglenn Oakglenn

    My point is Kiffin may be gone, Kiff may not be gone. Al Saunders was a WATER BOY when Al Davis FIRST coached the Oakland Raiders. Al Davis has known James Lofton for longer than Lane Kiffin has been alive. He’s known both these guys for an awful long time. Both would be extreme assets to our coaching staff. Let’s see what happens.
    Let’s look at San Diego for a second. 14-2 GM and Head Coach have a knock down, drag out, resulting in the HC getting bagged, and a retread being brought in, and let me tell you guys something. They should’ve won the last two years. Fights in organizations happen. But it is RIDICULOUS to have huge fights when you’re winning
    We are 4-12. 4-12. Let’s do that again 4-12. When you’re 4-12 changes HAVE to be made. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Al Davis hasn’t made mistakes, believe me. Davis has made plenty of mistakes. What I am saying is I’m not gonna let the SF press, ESPN, and Adam Shefter destroy the greatest fan base in the history of humanity. I am not gonna allow that. Let’s settle down and see what happens.

  • CopenhagenFan

    Vicky as far as I know, Al is pulling the same thing he did when he hired Art Shell if he hires Saunders.

    The Air Coryell offense (as far as I recall) originates from the old Sid Luckman offense that Al Davis has always loved.

  • Reverend Run

    Huff24 always talking about “I told you so”. Give it a rest blowhard! The Dumbest Blog Poster in America. The truth hurts…

    It’s tricky

  • Edward T


    Al Saunders is another retread, he is 60?

    As the offensive coordinator during his tenure at KC they had a dynamic offense when Vermeil was the coach.
    He had Trent Green in his prime , Tony Gonzales as a TE
    and Priest Holmes as a RB, with a very good and solid Offensive line. During his time there KC was an offensive juggernaut, but defensively they were terrible and thus could never get over the games played
    in wich the scoring was high.
    When Vermeil left why wasn’t Saunders promoted to Head Coach instead they hired Edwards from the Jets.
    He moves to Wash to be paid the highest dollar as and Offensive Coordinator. His two seasons in Wash were he was the OC they never were a high powered offense and were routinely ranked towards the bottom in all offensive categories.
    Players and coaching have and will always be given too much credit and to much blame when things go bad or good.
    A 700 page offensive play book is not a reason to think anybody is a reason to hire somebody and his previous record at Wash is also a reason to be cautious.
    Al of Snyder’s money in Wash never produced a great offense, when Saunders was there.
    Why didnt Al hire him last year or Petersen the Year before.

  • CopenhagenFan

    *screw these friggin’ kids with their dump and dink and west coast schemes, what we need is Al Saunders to get us back to playing vertical Raider football*

    Al Davis………..

    Bed & Breakfast number two coming right up.

  • Vicky

    Yes that’s true about the Air Coryell offense and i totally agree that we don’t have the personnel to implement it nor am i sure if we can ever do that in today’s NFL in the first place.

    I read this article on MSNBC where Kiffin wanted to replace 5 assistants that he brought. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22865702/
    So wishful thinking of me says that he wants to replace Knapp and WR coach with Saunders and Lofton and he remains 😀

    Just kiddding, I think we are back to being the laughing stock like it was under Shell. Gosh I can’t bear to see Gallery and his flat feet get beat million times again

  • RaiderDogg

    OG –

    It appears that you are mostly falling on deaf ears with your rational perspective. Not to worry they will all be back eventually, saying that they never left and we’ll still be here. Keep up the good posts bro.

  • CopenhagenFan

    I’m with Huff24…I tried to “joust” with him a couple of times on the side of Al Davis. I give Huff24 his props now.

  • Big AL’s GOON

    Much better product than what? The dolphins? Failure is failure. How people can put a rating on failure is beyond me. 4 wins out of 16 regular season games is a failure. KIffin failed. The experiement hiring a young, unknown, and unheard of failed. Time for more conventional moves. Time to bring in a real coach.

  • Hobs Gnarly

    big al,

    Denny Green said two years ago before we hired Shell and before he took a position with the Cardinals that the Raiders coaching situation was “treacherous”. He will do for you? Figurues.

  • Huff24

    Does it really matter who the offensive coordinator is? Al Davis wants his Head Coach to call the plays or has he already forgotten that due to his bad attitude? Is Al Saunders going to replace Greg Knapp? You can’t blame Knapp for this year because he didn’t call plays so why would you replace him? What is Saunders going to do as a position coach? How much influence could he possibly have? This whole situation is twisted.