Tagging Nnamdi a no-brainer
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Using the franchise tag on an elite cornerback turned out to be a mistake where Charles Woodson was concerned, but is the common-sense move for the Raiders with Nnamdi Asomugha.
The Raiders made no announcements today _ the first day players can be tagged _ but one can be anticipated at some point in the next couple of weeks.
The only way it won’t happen is if the Raiders first sign Asomugha to a multi-year contract, but chances are they’ll first deal with free agents who have actual freedom to leave starting Feb. 29, knowing a deal with their star cornerback can be reached at any time.
Last year’s prize free agent corner, Nate Clements, has a seven-year, $64 million contract with the 49ers (this year’s playing time voided what would have been an eighth year). Considering how long it took the Raiders to come to an agreement on that kind of money with JaMarcus Russell, don’t hold your breath on a deal with Asomugha.
This year’s cornerback prize is New England’s Asante Samuel because he agreed to a deal last season which guaranteed he would not be franchised this year. Both Asomugha and Seattle’s Marcus Trufant, the other top tier corners, are likely to be franchised.
Asomugha is the only one of the three who has played most often in a man-to-man defense.
The franchise number for cornerbacks this season is $9.465 million, which is guaranteed upon signing. Asomugha could still visit other teams for a longterm deal, which the Raiders could either match or receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
The other option is to make Asomugha an “exclusive” franchise player, meaning no other teams could negotiate with him. Asomugha’s salary would then be recalculated in April to average the top five salaries of cornerbacks across the league, which could conceivably go up from $9.465 million.
Still, the Asomugha situation is much more comfortable than the one that existed with Woodson, who pocketed $19.3 million in two seasons, designated “exclusive” in 2004 and as a straight franchise player in 2005.
For one thing, the cap is much higher _ $122 million _ and the Raiders have plenty of room to accomodate Asomugha without a ripple effect.
More important, the only thing Asomugha and Woodson have in common is that they play the same position.
The Raiders, whether they admit it or not, had to regret giving up so much money to a player who was prone to injury and snoozing during meetings. They gambled and lost on the second franchise designation, hoping to swing a deal for Woodson only to be stunned when he actually signed the tender guaranteeing him $10.5 million.
When agent Carl Poston presented the signed tender to the club at the scouting combine in Indianapolis, the Raiders were so flummoxed they issued a press release which said “The actions of agent Carl Poston and Charles Woodson tell us that they must have reached a long-term deal with a team, and we expect a trade very soon.”
It will be much smoother sailing with Asomugha.
For one thing, Asomugha is durable, having missed three games in five seasons. Woodson played in just 19 games for his $19.3 million in his two franchise years.
While Woodson came in with a Heisman Trophy and as the No. 4 overall pick, Asomugha lasted until the 31st selection of the 2003 draft. Even then, the pick drew blank stares and there were scouts from other teams which claimed Asomugha wasn’t anywhere in their first three rounds.
Score this one as a victory for the Raiders scouting department.
While Woodson started off playing at a near-Pro Bowl level, Asomugha, shuttled between corner and safety, struggled. He didn’t have an interception over his first three seasons, in part because his hands were about as soft as frying pans.
So Asomugha worked, and then worked some more. He can still be found staying after practice working on his game. He broke out with eight interceptions last season, and had just one in 2007 because teams wisely avoided throwing in his direction.
While Asomugha has never said publicly he wanted to move on, he could be forgiven for feeling overdue in terms of contributing to a winning team. In four seasons at Cal and five seasons with the Raiders, Asomugha’s teams are a combined 30-95 with exactly one winning season _ a 7-5 mark with the Bears in 2002, Jeff Tedford’s first year in Berkeley.
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February 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
fist!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
first got excited
February 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
First?
February 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Dammit!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
asomugha needs a 7 year deal! we need to book this one down…
I hope the name calling is over when i come back, I’m going to watch ‘Big Cat Diary’ those lions when the attack a zebra is like watching a Linebacker tackle a open man =) see ya all
February 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I hope we can keep Nnamdi, he is a pro!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
yes please leave LMN, please leave. Go watch those kitty cats.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
It’s been a while since I heard anyone praise the Raiders scouting department. Good call Jerry.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“New thread guys =)
and young gun, now my feelings got really hurt”
I apologize for hurting your feelings. I get a little worked up sometimes, probably my Italian heritage kickin in. Is it possible now that we can just talk football?
February 7th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Commercial break…
My late coach, showed these to our defense to learn them the point of attack and how to get leverage. When to tackle high and when to tackle low…
Perhaps our safeties and Linebackers should see some of these kittys tackle.
Jeremy you say you have nothing against me, but its pretty hard to believe now isn’t it ?
LOL
February 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
young gun…
of course… no worries, let bygones be bygones
February 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I was about to same the same thing Young.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
LMN -
Like I said before, nothing personal. You just annoy the hell outta me. It’s not personal, I don’t even know you.
KoolKell would have smoked you though!
February 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
LMN -
We are men, we can move past this nonsense. Sorry again for being a hot head.
So what about my original post before I mistakenly asked about the Bengals:
So let’s talk defense. I was happy to read that Lofton joined the coaching staff but why are the Raiders still focusing on offense? I don’t disagree with the Lofton hiring but it seems to me that the Raiders could use some new coaching on the defensive side of the ball.
I thought that I heard that Millard and Martindale were both gone. I actually think Martindale is a good lb coach but I’m not so sure about Millard. The inability to stop the run should at least predicate a re-evaluation of at least the defensive line coach correct?
February 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Love the news Jerry! Keep up the good work.
Aso is a premier shutdown corner in the NFL. Agreed on franchising him if a long term isn’t an option. With the safety we have we’ll need a solid baller in the secondary.
Hey guys! how ’bout keeping the posts relevant? The fact you are the first to post or that your fingernails are long has nothing to do with this site.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Well the players blame themselves and the public blames the coaches.
Who is it?
February 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I think no execution on the players part at times, but Millard may have to take part of the blame.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I will say one thing, and the NY Giants proved it.
Defense wins games.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
As for ASO, JMAC hit the nail on the head.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Woodson was a team cancer. I bet Lane Kiffin is happy he never had to put up with him. His lack of participation at practice and meetings led to the downfall of the team and he always had too many penalties. I was so happy to see him go. He had hall of fame talent and hall of shame attitude. I hope Nnamdi gets all the money he deserves and wears the silver and black for his entire career. I think he wears #21 in pride along with other great Raiders who have had that number – Cliff Branch and Eric Allen to name a few.
kris
February 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Jeremy…
you are wrong there, KoolKell and i had no beef with each others… He once thought I was a racist, because i had used the word ‘boy’ but that got cleared out pretty quickly, he was very aware of racism, which is good, but he sometimes was too quick on the trigger, well he apologized…
I don’t know why I annoy you, I’m truly sorry by that, I remember well a night when i was on work, when you talked about ‘pusherstreet’ in christiania you argued very well why we should draft McFadden, which I later on think is okay if Long, Dorsey and Ellis is gone, I didn’t then.
If it when i talk here, I talk back in a certain way, you said as a woman, well then I’m sorry I can’t change that, I find Logic, the best way to reason…
February 7th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I agree, whatever it takes to keep Nnamdi in the Silver & Black.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
LMN -
Different Jeremy. I do know for a fact that KoolKell would have smoked you!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
From everything I have ever read about Nambi, he is hard worker who does not rest smuggly on just his physical talents. He tries to improve the physical side of his game but he also studies the mental side of the game. He is exactly the type of player we need to keep. More importantly, he’s the type of player the organization needs to reward with an appropriate long term contract (and not simply get lazy and rest on the franchise tag issue) so as to communicate to the rest of the team exactly what type of behavior is appreciated and rewarded. A good contract sends exactly the right message throughout the clubhouse.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
yeah… i hope it’s not a tag. because then we have to through this again, it could be nice to have some quiet years, negotiating-wise.
a 7 year deal would take him out of the equation for several year, pay him low salary and a big bonus in the first years, then it’s eatable for both sides =)
February 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Jeremy…
ohh your not the Jeremy who had the farther in the army and had lived in the UK?
February 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
great point fender. extensions should be in order for nnamdi, followed by morrison and howard in subsequent years. those are the types of guys you reward, and let the rest of the team know”you up, work hard, improve your game and be a team player, we will do what it takes to keep you and build around you”
February 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Jeremy…
if you know it for a fact, and you apply logic, you must be KoolKell himself =)
well KoolKell and I didn’t had a beef, so sorry
February 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Nice post yesterday once upon a time #51#53,#56,you know jerry.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
nope, my father is Al Davis
Watch out though, KoolKell is always watching us…
February 7th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
LOL
good one!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
KoolKell had some good inputs…
in fact this blog is the best raider or NFL page i have come around. there are so many good insights and usually very football enlighten group. to many to mention, but i tried to be on good terms with all, because that way I could expand my knowledge the best.
I know some here was very much against KoolKell, and some against Huff24 and RaiderDogg… I didn’t agree with all they said and usually big part of it was form completely different optics with those mentioned, but still we understood, what this was about, it was about us being raiderfans, so everything else didn’t matter.
argue the first pick now is entertaining, because none of us know what it will be. Like we did with Calvin Johnson and JaMarcus. Many here disagreed one way or another, but when the season started, we reestablished our optic and stood by the new raiders, because we were raider fans, all talk about Calvin johnson would be thoughtspin
February 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I was just messin’ with ya LMN, don’t take it to heart ok? KoolKell would like it that way.
February 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
raidermutt and KoolKell do not like each other at all. Do not mention their names together in the same sentence!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
yeah i know…
but i still had to get that rant off my chest =)
February 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
just protecting the legacy that is KoolKell
February 7th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
The NFL combine starts February 20 thru February 26.
The following are all DL to look at for our needs based on most of the opinion’s of this blog.
The number after the players name represents his group number when he will be participating in workouts.
Al workout info can be found at NFL.com to see your favorites,days and times.
I believe going forward we should follow the players and see how they shake out vs others.
The players were invited but like many drafts some will be not invited to the combine but may get drafted
also.
Most players will have Pro Day workouts or individual workouts at a later time.
We need to find a second round DL also, besides the players we have spoke of,Dorsey, Long,Ellis,Long.
Enjoy
AVRIL, CLIFFORD PURDUE 7 DL 1 DE
BIERMANN, KROY MONTANA 7 DL 3 DE
BLAKE, TOMMY TEXAS CHRISTIAN 7 DL 4 DE
BROWN, TITUS MISSISSIPPI ST 7 DL 6 DE
* CAMPBELL, CALAIS MIAMI 7 DL 8 DE
CLERMOND, JOCELIN PITTSBURGH 7 DL 9 DE
CRABLE, SHAWN MICHIGAN 7 DL 10 DE
CRAIG, ANGELO CINCINNATI 7 DL 11 DE
DAVIS, BRUCE UCLA 7 DL 12 DE
* DINGLE, JOHNNY WEST VIRGINIA 7 DL 13 DE
DIXON, MARCUS HAMPTON 7 DL 14 DE
ELLIS, CHRISTOPHER VIRGINIA POLYTECH INST 7 DL 17 DE
GATEWOOD, CURTIS VANDERBILT 7 DL 20 DE
* GEATHERS, JEREMY NEVADA-LAS VEGAS 7 DL 21 DE
* GHOLSTON, VERNON OHIO STATE 7 DL 22 DE
GILBERRY, WALLACE ALABAMA 7 DL 23 DE
GROVES, QUENTIN AUBURN 7 DL 24 DE
HARRINGTON, CHRISTOPHER TEXAS A&M 7 DL 26 DE
* HARVEY, DERRICK FLORIDA 8 DL 28 DE
HOLMES, LOUIS ARIZONA 8 DL 30 DE
HOWARD, MARCUS GEORGIA 8 DL 31 DE
IWEBEMA, KENNY IOWA 8 DL 32 DE
JACKSON, LAWRENCE SOUTHERN CAL 8 DL 33 DE
JOHNSON, CURTIS CLARK ATLANTA 8 DL 34 DE
LANGFORD, KENDALL HAMPTON 8 DL 36 DE
LAWS, TREVOR NOTRE DAME 8 DL 37 DE
LONG, CHRISTOPHER VIRGINIA 8 DL 38 DE
MATTISON, BRYAN IOWA 8 DL 39 DE
* MERLING, PHILLIP CLEMSON 8 DL 41 DE
OLIVER, ADAMM GEORGIA TECH 8 DL 44 DE
ORTIZ, CHASE TEXAS CHRISTIAN 8 DL 45 DE
PITTMAN, KIRSTON LOUISIANA ST 8 DL 46 DE
ROBERTSON, DARRELL GEORGIA TECH 8 DL 49 DE
SMITH, BRYAN MCNEESE ST 8 DL 52 DE
SMITH, DORIAN OREGON ST 8 DL 53 DE
THOMPSON, JEREMY WAKE FOREST 8 DL 54 DE
BALMER, KENTWAN NORTH CAROLINA 7 DL 2 DT
BOOKER, BARRY VIRGINIA POLYTECH INST 7 DL 5 DT
BRYANT, JOSEPH TEXAS A&M 7 DL 7 DT
DORSEY, GLENN LOUISIANA ST 7 DL 15 DT
DOTSON, LIONEL ARIZONA 7 DL 16 DT
FLUELLEN, ANDRE FLORIDA ST 7 DL 19 DT
* GUION, LETROY FLORIDA STATE 7 DL 25 DT
HARRISON, MARCUS ARKANSAS-FAYETTEVL 7 DL 27 DT
HAYDEN, NICHOLAS WISCONSIN-MADISON 8 DL 29 DT
JONES, JASON EASTERN MICHIGAN 8 DL 35 DT
MCCLINTON, JAMES KANSAS 8 DL 40 DT
MOORE, MARCHONDRAY MARYLAND 8 DL 42 DT
OKAM, FRANK TEXAS-AUSTIN 8 DL 43 DT
POWELL JR, CARLTON VIRGINIA POLYTECH INST 8 DL 47 DT
PRESSLEY, DE MARIO NORTH CAROLINA ST 8 DL 48 DT
* SIMS, PATRICK AUBURN 8 DL 51 DT
February 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
“that cat koolkell was a bad mother…”
“shut your mouth…”
“i’m talkin’ bout Kool…”
“or you’ll be dead…”
February 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Sorry missed someone important.
ELLIS, SEDRICK SOUTHERN CAL 7 DL 18 NT
February 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
right on Florida Pete!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Well well well…watching Put Up Your Dukes on NFLN and they were interviewing Chad and TJ. Talk about an uncomfortable interview – Chad DEFINITELY wants out of Cincy. Thats no BS – he wants out BIG TIME!
February 7th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Lets hope the Raiders don’t trade for CJ. He would help the passing game somewhat, but the I don’t think he will help in the “W” dept.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I was argueing with a buddy of mine on why CJ wouldn’t work out. His arguement was that having a QB with an arm like JR will put up crazy numbers. The thing is though, CJ has Carson Palmer, who I think, has the best deep ball in the league. Plus he’s a proven QB; easily in the top 5 in the NFL. CJ would be in the same boat if he were to come to Oakland.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
You’re right Jerry. Tagging Nnamdi is a no-brainer. Since he plays more ( and probably better ) man-to-man defense then the other high profile free agents, I wonder why Ryan is so apprehensive about blitzing? The whole purpose of man-to man is so you can throw everything but the kitchen sink at the offensive line. Not the Raiders, we’re content with a four man rush. The one lone time I saw a lot of blitzes was in the Chicago game, and it had great results. Kiffin and Ryan need to make sure that Nnamdi’s good play isn’t done in vain.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
excellent point Memo….the grass is always greener
my main thing is look, CJ wants out of Cincy because they’re not winning. If we give up our 1st round pick and get CJ, we’re in the same boat pretty much as Cincy. A good QB, solid ground game, dynamic WR option, and a bad def.Why wouldn’t he be a distraction and malcontent on our team?
February 7th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
What makes anyone think that any team in the NFL would be willing to give up a first round pick for a guy that has made it very clear that he wants out of his current situation? Knowing that he wants out will drive his trade value down a bit. Someone may be willing to overpay for his services, but the Raiders certainly shouldn’t.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I wouldn’t say CJ is a distraction or a malcontent. He feels unwanted – not to make him sound soft – but thats how he feels. For as long as he’s been there I haven’t heard anything bad until this year. And they’ve been losing for quite a while now. So I wouldn’t consider him a bad apple. Cincy put up BIG numbers on Offense – scoring like crazy.
The Raiders have a better run game than Cincy which should provide for better balance on Offense – decrease of turnovers. Palmer turned the ball over a lot b/c he was always throwing it – they had no running game.
But tis the same bad defense. All things considered the Raiders should be marginally better than Cincy with CJ esp if we draft Ellis/Dorsey. An offense that can put on big numbers and a defense that can stop the run a little better. May translate into 3 or more wins. Still more pieces to plug.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
good point young gun, it should drive his value down, but you’d have to say a happy CJ would probably cost at least a 1st rounder, so assuming the bengals aren’t going to give him away, a 1st rounder is what it will cost. Now if they settle for a 2nd rounder or less, then it’s a no brainer
February 7th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I’m just not sure what the Raiders have to give to get CJ. Can’t give too much esp for a building team. But if Kiffin wants him, I can see him contributing. At least he’s used to losing. lol. We got one more year of that more than likely. But 7-9 will be considerable progress.
If CJ is snagged in FA then WR is less of a concern for the team. Assuming they still have a 1st and 2nd those two picks can be focused on DT/OT for sure. Its just another way to fill the holes. Ellis, Baker, CJ potentially – doesn’t sound too bad.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
If they’re talking about a 1st rounder for comp then forget about it – end of discussion.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I think CJ would be a mistake. I can’t recall which game but it was a playoff game against Pitt. Cincy went into have time _ahead_ and CJ was caught on camera yelling at CP as they walked into the locker room. They went on to lose that game. It probably wouldn’t phase him, but it would not be a good thing to have CJ yelling at JR everytime he doesn’t get the ball. I just think they are better off focusing elsewhere and lets see what our new WR coach can do.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
ugh! I meant *half* time, not *have* time.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
CJ wants what we all want…
CJ wants love…
that’s all…
unconditional, eternal love…
and 10 million dollars…
February 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Florida Pete, channeling a little “Dirty Frank” by Pearl Jam? If so, I’m impressed.
The Raiders’ line about Woodson and Poston, “we expect a trade very soon,” is classic contemporary Raiders. So sad we’re at this point, but it’s hard not to laugh at the memory of it.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
good point young gun
CJ’s situation is much like ours with Moss. He clearly was more worth than a 4th, but he wanted out, and people knew some in the raiders wanted him out too…
I was against CJ to begin with, because if you know how he acts around carson palmer a proven QB, I wonder how he would act around a young guy like Jammy.
But if he understands the situation and he guarantees he’ll act decently i’ve become a little fond of the idea. I have to admit that. He would be nice deep threat. I like the idea of CJ much more than the Barrian.
if it happens and its a success, it’s like Davis acquisition of Alzedo… a bad boy team again…but I believe Lane wants to kill that behavior…So its a big dilemma for me.. a big what if…
Its much like the Moss situation, would you like him to stay or him to leave!?
February 7th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
RaiderTW’s response to my opinion of the Raiders top 5 needs for 2008:
—-What happened to DE? You can talk all you want about McFad or anyone else but Al D WILL take Chris Long, you know he will just like you knew he would take jaMarcus (or some of you did.)
#2 strong saftey? #4 Another CB? didn’t we draft 4-5 of these? SS? How about a replacement for Simms? How about making sure JaM doesn’t have to run before every pass? Shore up the D line & O line even the back ups before we go putting KR/PR on the top 5 list. Seattle, Carolina, & Steelers have some O lineman going into free agency. Sure, we can run the ball but Simms has to go & JaM would look like an all pro with the time to pass like the Giants/Colts/Steelers have. Wishfull thinking but first priority as fars as I’m concerned.
RJV78 I’m not picking on you with this, after all YOU were answering posts that wanted another FULLBACK of all things. Dakota Fanning wants a top 4 #1 draft pick for a RUNNING BACK for chrissssakkkesss. Some guys are crazier than a soup sandwich. RJV78 is right about WRs, which Porter will show up? He’s only effective with another possesion WR. L.J. Smith is a FA but we need a burner. It’s not flashy but we need Oline & Dline to start with.
My response:
DE? really? I thought we already had Burgess, Kelly, Brayton and Richardson(Richardson is a stud). WE need DT’s far more, Burgess is a finesse rusher so I feel we need run stuffers in the middle. Sapp was playing about at the same weight Burgess was last year at the DT position thats why we got abused on the run, our whole DL was undersized. Get some big strong DT’s and see how many times the DE’s we already have fly to the QB or RB.
SS: Are you serious? If you dont think thats one of our top priorities then you just dont know football very well. Yes we dradted many of them along with CB’s since 2002 but how many of them were actually any good? Aside from Nhamndi….Buchannon, Schweigert, Washington, Routte and Huff have all been big busts (I’ll give Routte and Huff one more year before I say bust). We need a SS who is going to tackle, plain and simple, we have to many “coverage” LB’s (good ones though) so we dont need to have fast under-sized coverage backs, like the ones we have.
CB: Fitting todays article was about CB’s, were lucky to have a chance to tag Nhamndi, but what about the other side of the ball?? When implying a man to man D the first priority should be 2 shut down CB’s. Think back to the last few good teams the Raiders have had, all of them had 2 shut down CB’s(remember what a differance C.Woodson and E.Allen made in 98? our d went from worst to 3rd) It just opens up so many good doors for the scheme we run.
KR/PR: I admit I might be reaching on this one but I’m so tired of seeing Carr run full speed and fall at the 25 yard line or hold my breath everytime Higgins goes back to catch a punt. We need a game breaker back there, it can change an entire ball game.
I welcome all opinions and responses, thats what this is for…. no one is ever really right or wrong, just voicing(or typing) there opinion.
I’m in it…..to win it.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Thomas P Magnum…
its a shaft reference, Pearl jam borrowed it for dirty frank
February 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Shaft, KollKell and Isaach Heyes…
suits eachother very nicely
February 7th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Isaac Hayes…
old guy stuff…
… Florida Pete, Old Guy
February 7th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
it’s great to watch basketball with shaft playing in the background…
just goes together,,,
February 7th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
And for the record adding CJ to the roster catching lasers from J.Russ is good thing…. he may come with some baggage but I dont see him quitting on plays or a season for that matter like Moss. The ? is how much is to much to get him, especially since we’re thin on draft picks already.
Food for thought: J.Russ, Chad Johnson and Mcfadden on the field at the same time?? Its a wet dream but whats life without dreaming??
I’m in. Are you In?
February 7th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Florida Pete…
LOL good one… i’m not old, I just know my movies and my music =)
when you like Isaach Heyes, shaft and pearl jam, its pretty easy to be a smartguy =)
February 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
A Nnamdi Asomugha in hand is worth more than any number of Asante “chest thumping I got beat by Tyree in the end zone for the first go-ahead score and completely botched the Super Bowl sealing interception along the sideline” Samuels in the FA bush.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
RJV78…
I’m almost in, besides for the McFadden part, well I guess that means I’m not in. I think CJ could be nice, I wouldn’t object to it by any means, but I still is afraid of it. If it turns out he’ll be and wants to be a Raider, I ofcourse stand by him! I guess its the same with McFadden =)
I still think Long, Ellis or Dorsey will be a bigger contributer in their first years, and the durability of a RB is not that long.
Gahh I cant wait for the combine or the draft!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
To RadierTW: I forgot about OT…. sure Simms is getting old but I feel with Cable’s system we can plug in OL we already have and not miss a beat…. dont forget. with the exception of Robbins, we basically had the same OL in ‘06 that we had in ‘07 and improved from 32nd in rushing to 6th and 72 sacks to 42!! Like I said though, unless Flozzelle Adams is willing to came to the Raiders I dont see the point in wasting draft picks or FA at this position.
You can keep knocking…. but I’m already In.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
M…
True… but we need another great CB, we need one on the other side, it doesn’t help if only your one wing is closed down. we need them to force the ball in over the middle and let the wings be locked down. Then our LB’s will have field days =)
February 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Develop Routt, develop Fabian. Nnamdi wasn’t built in a day.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I say we trade Burgess to the Bengals straight across for Chad Johnson. They need a DE & we need CJ.
We could go with Richardson & Kelley at starting DE and Ellis & Law (my choice for our #1 & #2 draft pick respectively)at starting DT. Back-up DL players include Warren, Clemons, Sands and 1 or 2 from our practice squad.
We should also look to FA & the draft for an LOT LB & SS.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Hey ya’ll, wow, I remember bringing up the CJ idea around week 12 of the season and had some support but some refusal as well. We could trade for CJ, for our 2nd round pick and a package deal of Jordan, a D-lineman and another D player. I even kid around and said we could even through Rob Ryan in the mix, but that’s not possible anymore. lol…
Anyway, I had heard that rumor that he wanted out of Cincy back then, and now it is known that it is true. The only thing is that Lewis will not let him go. But maybe… just maybe…
February 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I like the idea of trading burgess, although Cincy probably wouldnt do it. Burgess is way over rated.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
i am old and remember “Shaft” when it first came out…
it was awesome…
i know nothing about Pearl Jam… except in a country song someone’s wayward wife went on the road with them…
CJ in a straight trade for a player not named Namdi or Bush, or Jamarcus, or Miller, or Kirk or Howard prior to the draft sounds fine to me… i would not give up anything higher than the fourth rounder…
i like the idea of improving the D Line… and allowing Routt and Washington to battle it out for corner… with a decent pass rush they should be fine…
February 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Shaft, of course. Duh. Though that does up my respect for Pearl Jam even more, realizing that.
As far as developing a great/good second corner, that would be nice, but to help the situation along, I’d just as soon develop a good pass rush. You look at the Giants’ CBs – not the most talented bunch of guys we saw in the playoffs there – but with a pass rush as fierce as the one in front of them, they didn’t have to be great. Maybe the Raiders can find some kind of balance there. If Burgess can get back to his old self, that’s a start. More reason why I think a D-lineman is the smart choice with the 1st round pick.
February 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
LMN: Like I’ve said over the past week here, If Mcfadden falls to us @ 3 or 4 how do you not take him?? Are you willing to let him fall to the Cheifs who pick right behind us? Think about it, facing McFadden twice a year after we pass on him? Rmember what R.Williams and C.Johnson did to us at last years opener? (2 receivers we past on in the draft). Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt give up anything extra to get McFadden, RB was not on my top 5 priority list, but you just cant pass on him is my point.(Adrian Peterson ring a bell). Chad sound good but only if we dont have to give up alot to get him. I think Rice from Rutgers is a steal also, lucky team whomever steals that kid in the 2nd round
I’m in….da house
February 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Burgess has already seen his best days and is on the downward slope IMO. He’s a definite liability against the run. He normally takes himself out of most rush plays by streaking wide up the field trying to beat the tackle with a speed rush. Richardson is more than capable to replace Burgess. A D lineup of Richardson, Ellis, Law
& Kelley would no doubt be a total upgrade across the board.
Pick Ellis DT, USC with our first pick and Ty Law DT, Notre Dame with the 2nd pick. The remaining picks should be for the best available OLT, WR & SS in that order.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Defense wins championships…always been that way and it can start with two shut down corners. So it is a no brainer to sign Asomugha to a long term deal. Routt is due to bust out and Wahington is a good reserve. Just get those “D” linemen, except C. Long
February 7th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
2nd rounder, Burgess, and Routt or Schweigert or Washington for CJ. Could be done… we can pick up OL and another DL from FA. And use our #1 pick to draft a DL.
The other option is to trade Asomougha (this is my least favorite) and get the two first round picks, one for this year, and one for next year, then trade the one for this year and get a third round and more players from other teams.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I also like the idea of drafting Phillip Merling, DE in the second if he is available. He is the same size as Long but a little faster. Him and Richardson would make a nice duo on the ends.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Why are folks so willing to trade Burgess? It seems to me that he’s performed as well overall (and actually better) than any of our other DE’s. I just don’t see why you get rid of a strength, especially when other parts of the defense have problems and need work. (I realize there’s a knock on him that he’s not great on stopping the run, but nobody else is either and at least he gets to the QB.)
February 7th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Why is everyone sold on M.Bush???? He hasnt played a single down in 2 years!!!!!! H ebroke his leg at the thigh, the worst injury for a RB. I wish Bush the best and “hope” he does come back and play great, I just dont want everyone to have high “hopes” for someone who hasnt played a down in the NFL.
Like Ron Jeremy in his prime…..I’m in.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
the problem with Burgess is that his numbers are inflated. Rob Ryan plays him up against the right tackle most of the time, so he gets to the QB once in awhile but for the most part he just takes himself out of plays, and the other team can just run behind the right tackle.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
A year ago I was not privy to this site but I would guess that contributors here were certain that the Raider D was as good as anything in the league.It was all smoke and mirrors thanks to the ineptitude of the offense. Now that has been recognized. The Raider D has many holes to fill yes, but I do not think that it is as poor as some here make it out to be. Lotta kids on D. As far as bringing in innumerable FA’s on Defense, look what that accomplished across the bay. Fewer wins and a bloated payroll. If you have one specific hole to fill, spend away. If you’re trying to rebuild a unit…caveat emptor.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
I guess the better question would be, is CJ an Al Davis kinda guy?… ’cause if he’s not, there’s no point on talking about this…
February 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I want to poakglenn. cap gun me
February 7th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
And everyone can thank me for retiring Blackholepreist…….
That fool got murked (killed)
Like Brittney to rehab……I’m in
February 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell is on his campaign trail!
February 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Way to go RJV78
February 7th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Fender52
You answered your own question. He can’t stop the run. Kelley can both rush the QB and stop the run. Richardson can rush the QB and stop the run. If we get Ellis & Law, they can both rush the passer and stop the run. Do you see the pattern here? The run is what’s killing us. Until you can stop the run, you won’t consistently win. Burgess had two decent years but those days are over. Get what you can for him and move on. AND, we definitely don’t need Chris Long. WE need 2 DT’s.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
THe sound of trading Burgess for CJ is compelling.
If we went that route, I would take C.Long, then Law.
Talk about shoring up the “D”
February 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I know we don’t necessarily need it but it would be awesome to revamp this defensive line to respectability, signing Asomugha to a long term deal and then signing Marcus Trufant or Asante Samuel as well. A Great defensive line and 2 shut down corners. Green Bay got by with a pretty good defensive line with Woodson and Al Harris at the corner positions and Woodson is WAY better than Harris who gets beat too often. Anyways, just dreamin over here.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
KoolKell sure is popular tonight…he’s on half of the posts already.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
JB:
If you’re right, then I agree with you (about Kelly and Richardson) but my sense was nobody was really stopping the run last year.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I agree with Nickatina about Burgess. He may well be on that downslope. And with the post-SB salivation over pass rushers he could easily bring great value. If he stays he’ll be run by and we can only sit and watch. That is if he isn’t on IR.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Unknown
Where you at? We have to rid the infidels of KoolKell!
February 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
M
A lot of us on this blog knew that this defense was overrated. They were rated very high against the pass simply because nobody had to pass. We couldn’t stop a basic run. Why pass when you don’t have to? Until we fix the D line we will not improve in the standings. Losing Kelley this year hurt. Having Sands under perform hurt worse. The only players that showed up this year on the D line were Sapp, Richardson, Clemons and Warren, when he wasn’t hurt.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Chris Long may be an excellent prospect if you need a DE but he’s not the player Ellis will be in 2-3 years IMO. As far as that goes, I think Ellis is a superior player to Long right now.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
I’m here, whats up Big J?
February 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
The DT’s dictate what the opposing QB can do. If they can plug the middle & stuff the run between the tackles, they’ve effectively eliminated 2/3rds of the field from play for runs. If the can collapse the pocket from the middle the QB has nowhere to go except flaring left or right and that’s when DE’s start impacting the game.
Defense begins on the line in the middle. To prove my point just look at the Titans. When Haynesworth is in there, the D works. When he’s not, they are very vulnerable.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I seem to remember, from his last days in Philly, that Burgess had good potential as an end-run stopper. So maybe, having not been able to watch many games last year, it really was more of a scheme or motivation problem.
A big part of his effectiveness, especially moving forward, will likely have to do with his attitude. It would be ideal to be able to rotate linemen in and out of the lineup, to use Burgess less (and more on just passing downs) if he is, indeed, playing weak against the run. But would he stand for that? And would that be viable, considering his salary?
February 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I see you have been unjustly attacked by
lmn=long meat now and cap gun=raider mutt
February 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
nah nobody attacking me, I’ve been out and about all day. Just got in. Looks like you were the one beefing with a few people earlier. Sorry I wasn’t around to get your back.
KoolKell’s memory lives on.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Magnum
If you trade him, that’s all moot and he becomes someone else’s problem.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Fix the D-line and suddenly your cornerbacks are all-pro. Fix the D-line and soon opponents will wonder why their back is being throttled by the LB’s. As a carpenter I realize that architects want all sorts of fancy cornices and arches embellishing the edifice, but if y’all ain’t got no basic interior foundation that house goin’ ta be crumblin’.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
M
Good way of expressing what we afre dealing with. The house only stands if the foundation is sound.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Who wants some
February 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Hey Unknown
I like that guy Mosh Pit. We could use him on our team.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Nice post M, great analogy.
Jeremy, Unknown and KoolKell -
You all need to let it go, enough is enough already. I don’t even know why y’all hate me so much but do us all a favor and let it go. I would really appreciate it. I am getting pretty tired of coming to this blog only to see that you guys (or are you all the same guy?) are railing on me for no apparent reason, and when I’m not even around. I want to apologize for whatever I did to you guys. Honestly. Now please think about letting it go. I’d appreciate it.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
sign him up
February 7th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
M…
yeah, so true. But we need a CB opposite of Nnamdi, I wuold love to see Assante, but he showed in the SB, where his weaknesses lie.
So who’s gonna be our #2 CB?? we need one the WB will respect, I thought Routt was that guy. Hope he still is if we cant find a good one in FA..
February 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
We still need a strong safety, guys. Good teams are strong up the middle. Huff is too good an athlete to not be at the free. If we only address the D-line we’ll be better, but we really need to fill a big hole in the secondary or we won’t improve on D as much as we need to. I’ve suggested Josh Barret out of Arizona State. We may have to trade up to get him in the 2nd round depending on how he grades out at the combine, I don’t know.
There are a couple of OTs out there free agent-wise that could help us protect JR’s blind side; I don’t think I’d want a rookie back there with that responsibility.
CJ is a nice thought, but I agree with some folks here that he’s only worth what we can afford to pay for him. Compromising development in other areas just to get him is wasteful, in my view.
Let’s face it, this draft is not going to get us to the playoffs next year. We just have too many holes to fill and not enough picks and money to do it in one year. JR is going to make his mistakes and learn and grow a lot next season, and hopefully he’ll be ready to do something special the year after that. We’re one more year and another good draft away from really putting the hurt on some people (are you listening Chefs, Dolts and Donks?) and it’s going to feel really good when it happens. I just hope we can all be a little patient while this all unfolds…
February 7th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Are there any good corners in the draft? It would be nice to see someone good paired up with Nnamdi.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Available late espescially…
February 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Raiderdogg…
its fromm that day when a troll took all the regulars names and said stupid stuff to the other regulars, yours and KoolKell’s was some of the misused nicks and some didn’t believe when those, which name was stolen, explained it wasn’t them… so this mistrust has been growing ever since
February 7th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Krowlz…
I cant see anybody in the drafts there is better than what we got, sadly the same picture is in the FA. Routt is far better than those left in the draft after 3rd round. I don’t believe we’ll take one in the 1st or 2nd, but then again this is the raiders, CB is a default choice in the draft =)
February 7th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
LMN -
Well that sucks. I just want to talk with my fellow Raider buds. I’ve been gone for a few days, I come on here and my name or version of my name is coming out people’s mouths that I have never had an exchange with that I can remember. At least Jeremy and Unknown. Haven’t seen KK in a while, I would rather have him than his minions. At least he was entertaining. These other guys are just on some smear campaign to make me look bad.
It’s out of my hands I figure. Thanks for the heads up.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
raiderdogg
Just say you are sorry if you dont want anymore! Me, Unknown, KoolKell, and possibly Mosh Pit are here to rid this blog of wannabes and imposters.
There are to many derelicts around here. We want stand for it any longer.
KoolKell will rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
ahhh raider mutt had his feelings hurt. STFU
February 7th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
raiderfrom birth … its definatly going to take a few years, i just hope we score an A with this upcoming draft and freeagency…and atleast a B-.. ofcourse it will take a few years to truly judge but I hope we atleast have a couple of draftees that can make a change immidiatly.
On the patience thing… Did you see how people were freaking out the past month?! Unfortunatly patience is not a virtue held by the nation…atleast not all. Cant wait for 09-10…but I will be patient.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
What Im hoping for most is that Kiffy will pull out a few diamonds in the ruff. If he is as good as they say then his time durring the senior bowl was priceless. Maybe we could get a seal or 2…
February 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
RaiderDogg, a teenage mentality pervades much of this society (especially when behind a keyboard). Water off a duck’s back, let it slide. Always good to see your pieces here.
Also, why would people vilify BHP? The man offered some excellent inside info. I would understand why he isn’t posting. BHP only had one serious flaw from what I read. Why on Earth would anyone think highly of r. moss (lower case intentional)?
February 7th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Raiderdogg….
this happened sometime in november or something, way back… but yeah it sucks, because i find this block fantastic. I disagree with Jeremy, I think there is many good guys here, and find thoughts, yeah okay some ‘one day posters’ are a bit annoying but they ofcourse go away..
February 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Quit
February 7th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Jeremy is back!!! Sweet!!! Fellas, this isn’t the Jeremy you think it is. This is new lame Jeremy. In his honour last nite we gave him a ritual new name. “poked by dudes” AND, IT looks like “poked by dudes” brought his friends from the Charger bath houses with him. Don’t even engage these garbage spewing spunk drinking idiots. They bring nothing.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I like BHP…he writes well and backs his points. Plus he stands by what he belives and dosnt fall for fads. You gotta respect the man.
He and others differ so much but thats what makes this blog so great…you get every angle.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
well put Oakglenn
February 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
patience is exactly what we must have. we have huge needs, and we need to build a team. Trading burgess doesn’t help us build, we have a good pass rusher, we need dt’s to help improve his performance and allow him to do his thing[rush the passer] more often due to 3rd and long. We all hope JR is the truth, but honestly, we don’t know. smart FA spending and solid drafting is how we will get back into YEARLY contention instead of a 2 year hurrah and them dumping players and salary. Let this team grow, let’s get some big boys up front through FA and the draft. 7-9 or 8-8 is a realistic hope with a borderline 1st year Qb. Wasting picks to trade for players won’t help us IMO
February 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I truly miss the posts from ‘Coach on wheels’ and ‘Coach Steve’ they were really great posters. They were truly enlightening.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
i like sticking with washington and routt…
a little (okay, a lot) of D-line help is all we need…
i think M. Bush is a stud athlete… if he can run the ball – great… if not…
then i think we need to look at him as a safety… look at the U of Louisville site for a shrine to Bush… he must play for us… or be cut without further ado…
February 7th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Thank you Krowlz, all I saw was venom coming at BHP recently and I for one didn’t understand the hate being thrown his way.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
LMN- I was thinkin about that same thing today..What happend to those guys…They were one of the main reasons I kept commin back(and a few others) Loved the insight.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
– “Booth Newspapers’ Tom Kowalski reports the Lions will have to be “overwhelmed” by a trade offer to part ways with Roy Williams.
Kowalski says Williams is on the block and that the Lions will certainly entertain offers, but they want to get one more year out of him. Williams is still expected to leave Detroit as an unrestricted free agenct next offseason.
Feb. 7 – 7:22 p.m. ET”–
–”NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports the Bears are unlikely to place the franchise tag on impending free agent Bernard Berrian.
Berrian averaged a career low 13.4 yards per catch in 2007, but that was mainly due to terrible quarterback play. He did score five times and caught a personal best 71 passes. Berrian, who just turned 27, is still improving and will by far be the most attractive player at his position when free agency begins on February 29. The 49ers and Redskins will likely have interest.
Feb. 7 – 7:33 p.m. ET”–
February 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Fellas, here’s the toughest part of all of this. We’ve beaten the top 3 or 4 draft pix to death. If this team is gonna make ANY real improvement this next year, we’re gonna have to get a TON of undrafted free agents to fill out the roster. Tommy Kelly is an undrafted free agent. Antonio Gates was an undrafted free agent. Chris Clemons, Jeff Saturday the starting center for Indian-crapolis, all undrafted. Any suggestions out there for guys who may not even be drafted?????
February 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
M- he is harsh but my vision of him is an old man. And i knew a bunch of old men that were stubborn harsh mean cruel pretty much down right aholes…but when you got to really know them they were great men. usually I guess thats just how i envision him IRL.
I guess i am used to it and am able to block stuff out…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Changes on the offensive coaching side or signing or drafting a few dt’s will not help our defense without at least a new d-line coach and better approach to stopping the run.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Any of the wide receivers from the Rainbow Warriors might slip by unnoticed. Those guys are fearless.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Krowlz and M…
yeah BHP was good too… I had a beef with him once, because i didn’t believe he was the guy ‘invented’ the term ‘the black hole’ but he later convinced me somehow, don’t quite remember how, but he did – something about giving it to somebody on the radio or something, well i don’t know =) cant remember anymore.
But when Jerry McDonald almost quoted him, I started to think where the hell is BHP. Havnen’t seen him since – i think
February 7th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
glenn-
refer to the lofton thread…I fully agree. We need to find guys anywhere we can, not throw away picks for established players who will biotch and drag the team down if we don’t become contenders in a year or two…slow and steady wins the race. Taking that will cause us to flame out…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
He was back…to insult us…lol.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
M…
Rainbow Warriors?? enlighten me, please. I thought it was a Greenpeace ship
February 7th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Krowlz… yeah, it worries me a little that folks panic so easily sometimes. We were 2-14 the year before last, and 2-14 teams usually aren’t overstocked with good players (or a positive attitude, for that matter). I was really impressed with the strides we made last year. Were there some games we could/should have won? No doubt, but what bears contemplating is whether we would have even had a chance to be in those games the year before. My answer is no.
I really think we’re on the right track here, which is why I never really gave the whole “Kiffin’s out the door” thing a whole lot of thought. Al wants to win more than anything, and while he may have had to read the young man the riot act recently, I believe he knows what he has in Kiffin and has a lot of faith in him. Christ, if WE can see progress imagine what someone who actually knows the game can see and appreciate.
Here’s hoping the draft and free agency period is productive; it’ll be good to start winning again.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
hey… it’s been like 30 years since i put on a uniform…
and, hey, i admit it was a military one… but… i can suit up…
i can get out there and blast the sh*t outa some young wannabe raider…
i go about 5′9″ and 205 of mostly muscle… and i am absolutely sure i still have sub 5.0 speed… and i got a fine idea of angles and leverage and i think i can get after it…
yeah, baby… suit me up!!! raider me!!!
jeezus… um, i’m a little tired… i’ll ….
February 7th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Don’t worry you guys coach on wheels will be back. Once we get closer to the draft, or some real news comes out, he’ll be here. Along with tons of the other excellent knowledgable posters. You guys here, you guys that come here all the time are the best. You know right now, on the San Diego Discharger site, there are like two posts. Two posts. Look at us! We’re a freaking 4-12 team for Godsakes and we’re breaking down free agents, we’re working trades, breaking down the draft, kicking off the spunk munchers, going thru coverage schemes, doing everything to try to be a better team and a better fan base. That what winners do. They do the things it takes to win. That’s why we’re all winners here, and we’re gonna be winners again. Shortly.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
espn stated from an inside source that bhp and kk have been hired as consultants for the raiders
February 7th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Mr raider Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
espn stated from an inside source that bhp and kk have been hired as consultants for the raiders
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obviously they didn’t get my resume…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
looks like my postings days are over, the moderater is slapping the cuffs on me for my creative usage of describing a grown man crying like a woman
February 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Raiderwill1980 what?? the one about LaDanian??
February 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
M, nice call!!!!!! The Hawaii receivers. Actually, there are some PLAYAS on that Hawaii team that will slip thru the cracks!!! On both sides of the ball. You don’t go 12-1(?) without some playas. And right now Colt Brennan is falling faster than LT’s good guy cred!!! So there has to be some guys somewhere on that team. Nice call.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Glenn–
It’s way too early to say who will go undrafted, I mean if you asked me that last year, I woulda definately pegged jonathan holland as an undrafted player,you just never know
but I agree we definately need to attack the undrafted free agents, and not just for nfl europa fillers
February 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Raiderwill1980…
scratch taht, it was jh who made that post
February 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
It says my comment # 135 is awaiting moderation
February 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
LMN -
I think that M was referring to the Hawaii Warriors. They used to carry the Rainbow Warriors moniker until recently when they dropped the “Rainbow” from their name.
He’s right, they had some good wr’s.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
how will the hawaiians handle the weather???
will they wear gloves???
February 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Raiderwill -
did you post a link of some kind? Could be the reason its being moderated. Copyright issues and such. I could be wrong…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Remember back when bhp gave us information from an inside source (a relative i belive) maybe it came back to haunt him? Fla Pete you’ll have to wait untill Kiffs fired to get your just place
February 7th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/Player/player.html?pid=3&aid=12577
he is the only senior, I can spot, his height is good. Does he have the speed or the hands?? thats a biggy
I cant find any other seniors, which other WR from Hawaii is eligible for the draft??
February 7th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
anyone know of any job openings in the bay area (east bay preferably)??? got a second interview and even pee’d for dish network but they havnt called me back yet…man this is gettin depressing.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
RaiderDogg
Nope, It wasn’t a link, I forgot we are on language restriction
February 7th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Same thing M with that Appalachian State team. Dexter Jackson the WR from App State is a good player. I haven’t seen anyone talking about Dennis Keyes the safety from UCLA. He’s a player I really like.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
poakedglenn
We always knew you were a charger lover. What the hell are you doing on that reeking blog?
You just lost all respect on this blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Curry favor with the rest of the lackeys around here
February 7th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
i’m a senior!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Don’t worry will, I get those all the time. Most of my comments are highly edited. hence why I started doing public service announcements:
Remember kids, stay in school.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
raiderwill if you had a post at #135 its deleted now, its definitely not showing here…. funny because i haven’t noticed anything profane, really profane. I try to notice those thing so I know what phrasings to avoid =)
February 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
anyways gotta go …later peoples…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
do you think we should keep thomas #55
February 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
See poked by dudes, you can’t come up with anything. I’ll let you get back to spunk munching, PBD. We’re gonna talk some football here. Real football. Raider Football.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Ray, Robert Thomas to me at least, has been fantastic. It seems he only comes up with BIG plays, when you need them. JMHO.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Have I mentioned Trevor Laws lately? Ok just kidding. What about Kenny Phillips from the U? Is he just another Huff in disguise or can this kid play? I know OG has an answer for me.
I want to thank all of you that keep me up on all of the college player info. I am not as schooled on the college athletes as some of you guys and I appreciate the knowledge you guys bring.
Keep up the good work.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
yeah absolutely. Robert Thomas is one helluva backup. we did much better with him in instead of williams
February 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
corey williams…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
There is one WR I think would be a good player, don’t know how high he’s rated, but DJ Hall from Alabama has a very high football IQ, and would be a great target for JR. I don’t know if he’s going to go undrafted, but I think he’s a potential 4th round or later pick
February 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
RaiderDogg…
Dont get me started on Treveor Laws, I like that dude alot!! But as for WR i havent noticed any gems beside those who played in the seniorBowl
February 7th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
get CJ in silver and black. I don’t care what you all say. he’s not a distraction. all media hype. he puts up numbers. the bungles just needed a scapegoat. He’s no worse than JP is now and puts up twice the stats.
same BS TO goes through every now and then. Havent heard much about TO being a distraction lately. heck, he’s even cryin in interviews nowadays talkin about his QB.
despite all the media, oakland is AT THE MOST two years from playoff caliber if they can get a solid #1. (unless Kiffin bolts).
all you CJ haters tell me what the alternative is. this draft sucks. wait till next year to draft and then another for a rookie to develop. Yeah we can look in Detroit’s direction but i just don’t see it happenin.
Sign CJ. Get a solid OL in free agency. Draft DT DE SS. Not as ugly as some make it.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Charger Lover has been exposed
Its running with its tail cut off
February 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
gotta go, catch up later
February 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
i dont think thomas should be a back up im no professional but he does nothing but play all out and is either tackling or near the ball carrier all the time just my opinion but i think he gets to little respect
February 7th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
M…
you suggested to look at the Rainbow Warriors. I found this guy Jason Rivers… Do you know his times, or which other WR from Hawaii there are eligible ?
February 7th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Yeah Laws looked really disruptive and active at the Senior Bowl. He definitely boosted his stock.
I noticed some stellar CB play in the Senior Bowl as well. Unfortunately (because the other guy with his name is a Charger) the only name I remember is Cromartie and I have a feeling he is rated high on a lot of boards, plus CB isn’t a huge need in the draft for the Raiders.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
2sense (or 2Cents ??)
I agree, though the SS should be found in FA, we have drafted to many safeties. It’s time to get one that we know play on this level, I suggested Mike Doss, Gibril Wilson or Atari Bigby
February 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
2sense you could be right. If we could find a gem or two, an undrafted gem or two, we would be right in there. tony Romo, undrafted, Antonio Gates, undrafted, Pat Williams, probably best DT currently on Minnesota Jokings, freaking undrafted. We find a safety, a WR, a defensive linman, undrafted, we might be right in there.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
So many scenarios. Corey Williams means we can trade down and add some more picks. Or draft McFadden. Or both. It’s like dominoes, and we won’t know which way we’re going until the first one falls. If then.
Sure is fun to speculate, though.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Got to go to the Warriors game, I’ll post up like a stamp tomorrow after work….. good to see so many new bloggers in here… dont remember half of you from last year but all is welcome.
Quick recap….
Chris Long is overrated.. He can barley brake 5 on the 40. Plus he played At 24 years old last year. Chris Weinke stats?
Sedrick Ellis will have a better career then Dorsey.
Take Mcfadden if he’s there, if not, trade down and get Ellis, Phillips, Jackson or Stewart.
Chad Johnson is an Al guy, trust me. Just dont give up the barn for him.
Ray Rice from Rutgers is a stud and not a nappy headed hoe.
Flozelle Adams is the only OT worth shooting for if avaliable.
Search for a CB, the draft is loaded with them, all with size and good coverage and tackle skills.
Is F.Washington another P.Buchannon? Oh wait a minute Washington doesnt score TD’s..but he sure gets beet on ‘em.
Bills to Canada?
Guess that means expansion to L.A and Raiders stay in Oakland.
Alameda army base a site possibilty?
This blog site is avg. a comment every 4.1 minutes between the hours of 7pm to 11pm…. impressive.
Smack ya’ll tomorrow.
I’m “JUST IN BABY” (clever)
February 7th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Cromartie, was good in the seniors, his brother has sadly done some good word in SD too. I too think he’ll go earlier than I would like us to use a pick on yet another CB
February 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Just won another Super Bowl on Madden. While the team was celebrating after game, with the phony Lane Kiffin (with the goatee, LOL) getting the gatorade dumped on him, etc, I was wondering; Why don’t they show Al Davis? I mean, isn’t John Madden a huge admirer of Al? You’d think Madden would have the programmers put an Al Davis out there on the Raider sideline when the Raiders win the Super Bowl, just to pay homage to his “friend”, and to give a message that any Super Bowl the Raiders win would have to be just as much the work of Al Davis as anyone, right? Come on, half the time when someone criticizes Al, you guys go right to the John Madden HOF speech quotes praising Al, etc. Funny that in this lucrative Madden franchise, there’s no recognition of “big Al”. For pete’s sake, they have a mirror image of Mike Shannahan on this game. Almost looks like a miniature video of the real Shannahan. You’d think they take such time to put in an Al Davis character. Maybe it was just overlooked?
February 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Ray I am with you. This guy Thomas was a first round draft choice out of UCLA, did really well in St.Louis, they changed schemes and let him go. We signed him for Nothing. Nothing!! That’s what I’m talking about!! And he’s done nothing but be solid and make plays.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
LMN, you can’t time passion and courage. Rivers and a co-receiver, a kid from Oaktown, Bess I think his name is, they have the heart to play and great moves for YAC. They are not slow, quick as hell as a matter of fact.
Oakglenn, I didn’t ever see Appalachian State play this past year. Dexter Jackson. Perhaps a name to remember. (and I got a laugh out of your exploration of SD website.)
Thanks all. G’night.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Oakglenn…
yeah he signed for nothing, and he is okay with being a backup and keep forcing those ahead of him to be better. He is a true team guy in my book
February 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Cromartie will go in the first round. He made $$$$ playing in the senior bowl. A lot of $$$$$.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
maddenraider
You have to much time on your hands. lol
February 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
M…
yeah his name is Davone Bess
http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu/Player/player.html?pid=3&aid=13196
February 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Thats what I thought Glenn, he was impressive in the Senior Bowl. I thought he might be related to the guy in SD but I didn’t realize that they were brothers. I wouldn’t want to see the Raiders draft a CB that high, but he would be an excellent compliment to Nnamdi or at least good competition for Fabe and Routt.
I don’t remember any other names but I do have memories of other CB’s that were impressive in the Senior Bowl.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
things will never be the same
KK R.I.P.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
LA MILICIA-
just a little play on words. i thought sense makes me sound a little more intellectual.
anyhow, we’ve had our share of secondary busts via FA also. anthony dorsett and larry brown were down right awful. atari bigby delivered against seattle but disappeared against NY. haven’t really seen enough of doss to evaluate. i liked gabril wilson but how much of his success could be attributed to that front four. probably the best DL in the NFL.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Dogg I think the best way to get increased production from our secondary would be Ellis in the lst round and Laws in the 2nd. All of a sudden people would say that Raider 2ndary was gooooood!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
No doubt, someone said it earlier. A great fefensive line turns an average secondary into an all pro secondary. Shit it was probably you.
What do you think about all the talk regarding sliding Morrison back outside and bringing in a veteran MLB?
February 7th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Danny Clark. There for the taking.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
John Madden has almost nothing to do with teh game, yeah he comments and lend his name for big bucks, but its not that he owns a wing at EA, if they treated the teams differently the game wouldn’t be such a success. Shanahan looks like him, because EA valued the likeliness of his departure was minimum. if we had a caoch for more years our coach’s graphic would be better too. Just look at the old games, Coach Chin looks like himself and thats a old team. EA knew he would come back…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
A great defensive line not fefensive line.
I wonder how long my last post will last, I made an error in judgement
I will make up for it with a psa:
Don’t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things
February 7th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Dogg-
AD will never bring in a top dollar LB. he thinks its an irrelevant position.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
The more things change the more they stay the same. From what I remember Clark and Morrison are good friends. I wouldn’t mind bringing him back into the fold.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Oakglenn…
Get Long in the 1st, trade Burgess for Cincis 2nd and 3rd. Get Laws in the second…
February 7th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
You’re right unknown.
But KoolKell the Great will rise again!!!!!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
2sense
what??? the ILB is like the qb of the defense!!
February 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Is it somekind of Cult?
February 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
which was a fluke in clark’s career. the two solid years he had for oakland or the other twenty he sucked for everyone else.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
LMN, I’m with ya on Long, but remember you’re not only trading players, you’re trading contracts. No one is gonna trade a high pick like that for Burgess potentially for one year. If he had 3 years left on his contract….maybe
February 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
i agree with you. ILB is a very important position. too bad al davis doesnt think so.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
PUTTING THE TAG ON NAMDI A NO BRAINER’,I KNOW ALOT OF THE NATION IS LOOKING AT ELLIS OR CHRIS LONG !BUT WHAT I DON’THEAR IS ANYONE BRINGING UP THE NAME ALBERT HANYESWORTH, OR SHAWN ELLIS IN THE FREE AGENT POOL?I BET JEREMY NEWBERRY IS!NEWBERRY IN MY MIND HAD A GOOD YEAR…. BUT, BOTH ELLIS AND HAYNES WORTH KICKED HIS ASS !….HMMMM ?LETS SIGN HAYNESWORTH.DRAFT DMC,FIND A DEEP THREAT RECEIVER(S)FIND A LEFT TACKLE. THEN WATCH JAMARCUS PUT IT DOWN… DMC AND BUSH DANGGG !THE DRAFT IS FULL OF DT’S . YOU KNOW IT’S BEEN A FEW YEARS BUT WE USE TO FIND DT’S IN THE 5TH ,6TH ROUNDS WHO MADE TO PROBOWLS ( GRADY JACKSON,LERO’I GLOVER,ROD COLEMAN )CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT RAIDER NATION ?LATE ROUND PICKS WHO SHINED EARLY WITH US AND WE LOST THEM CUZ OF MONEY ISSUES. WE NEED TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF #2 BY PUTTING WEAPONS AROUND HIM FARGAS IS GONE JORDAN’S GONE,BUSH AND DMC ( ALOT OF POTENTIAL TO CAUSE A RUKAS IN THE LEAGUE)WE GOT THE REST OF THE DRAFT TO GO DEFENSE !WE KNOW THE NEEDS . DON’T FOGET WE COULD USE A STUD MLB. LOVE MORRISON BUT I THINK HIM AND HOWARD WOULD DOMINATE ON THE OUTSIDE THE PUT A BIGGER LB IN THE MIDDLE! DANGGG…. WE’LL FIND A SS THE THE D WOULD BE SET!….HERE COMES THE RUKAS THE MOTHA@!$#%@ RUKAS….
HOLLA’
February 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
how gruden got al to draft nap harris is beyond me.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
shoulda never have let Clark go…
i don’t care how he played for others…
he was great in the silver and black…
bring him back cheap and see if he earns a job…
February 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Pete, he’ll earn a job. No doubt about that.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
We’re solid enough at LB. another position that can be addressed late in the draft. howard and morrison are proof.
i have a goofy feeling that the offense next year is going to put up monster numbers. JR is gonna take his lumps but you couldn’t help but notice how Kiff opened up the field with a ground attack. it was sick how open curry and porter got 25 yards down field on some of the few pass plays we attempted just to be grossly over or under thrown to. Now with ZM stretchin the middle of the field. I like it for some reason.
defensively. burgess isn’t producing cuz he’s hurt and cuz he got the shaft. i’d be sour if i were him too. puts up solid pro bowl numbers and gets promised a raise just to have it taken away. not right. he has handled himself like a true professional. I think fabian will come around. he’ll put in nnamdi type hours i bet. huff is the gallery of the defense. out of position. he’ll blossom when moved to where he should be. gotta get lucky in the draft. need a playmaker on D.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Oakglenn
You are 100% correct. Those two should be our #1 & #2 picks. Our secondary would look great then.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Solid at LB?
no we aren’t both Morrison and Howard should play OLB’s. We need a real ILB. Morisson could play ILB in a 3-4 scheme but not in a 4-3
guys i’m off work now. perhaps i’ll check up before I go to bed
February 7th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
LMN
#197
I usually agree with most of your observations but not this one. Forget C. Long. He’s overrated. Ellis is the real deal. So is Laws. Together, nobody will get through the middle. Danny Clark is ok at MLB if he’s cheap enough and behind the two mentioned above he’d do just fine. Morrison would thrive outside.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Linds #204
Lose the CAPS. Nobody reads them because they are too hard to read.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
and good lord we better not resign Fargas. what is all this band wagon crap.
i don’t buy it. first of all he runs like an idiot. he’s about 2 carries away from a career ending injury. i love his passion but this isn’t notre dame high and he’s not built like jerome bettis. he’s napolean kaufmann with out the break away speed. and he can’t catch.
i need a little more consistency. I like how DR ran those last two games. i think he’s our guy. unless fargas is willing to take a modest offer i say let him bounce.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
2Sense
Right you are. Fargas was at best a short term solution. His hands are bad and he’s an injury waiting to happen.
My RB line-up would be Bush, Rhodes & Echemando a.k.a, “JOE”. They’ll do just fine.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
JB…
i’ve been preaching ellis too, but I think he’s gone when its our turn Dorsey too. I think Long or McFadden are available when its our turn. I would prefer Long. If we get Long we could trade Burgess.
Oakglenn is right he has 3 years left and we are going to pay some of it. But only his bonus, his regular salary would the new team pay. This year he makes 4.5 mio 1.5 is in bonuses, the 3.0 mios is salary. so next year it would be something around 6=2+4, we would pay the 2 mio. If we could get a 2nd and a 3rd and CJ as i suggested with Bengals, I would do it. But only if we had C. Long
February 7th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
JB…
yuo Bush, Rhodes, and Eche at RB and Griffith and O’neal at FB…
no reason to do anymore with those positions, perhaps give Rhodes a extension so he is cheaper next year and that we could trade him after the 08 season
February 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
JB Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
2Sense
Right you are. Fargas was at best a short term solution. His hands are bad and he’s an injury waiting to happen.
My RB line-up would be Bush, Rhodes & Echemando a.k.a, “JOE”. They’ll do just fine.
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this is absolutely correct!!!!
February 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
i mean, i agree
February 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
OH DID I MENTION WE ALREADY HAVE 26 MILLION ! EVERY YEAR WE BE FIGHTING FOR CAP SPACE AND MR.DAVIS STILL GETSW AROUND IT! ADD THAT AND 26 MILLION….. DANGGG !
‘THE GREATNESS OF THE RAIDAHS IS IN IT’S FUTCHA
February 7th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
As long as Dorsey & Ellis are both gone when it’s our turn, then I can consider Long but I thing AD would then go for McFadden. I just hope we can get Ellis AND Laws with our 1st two picks and we’ll be in GREAT shape on the D line.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
hopefully bush pans out. i don’t think he will. if he was gonna make it in this league i don’t think kiff would benched him for the season.
hell i wish he was the next Bo.
here’s to wishful thinking though.
Mcfadden might not be a bad move. not to mention how much the press would eat it up if he turns into an adrian peterson and oakland passes on him. plus it would be nice to have two skill postions in the bag for the next 10 years. Dallas did it and it only took them from the basement to a dynasty. I would. you just don’t get franchise skill position players in FA like you can an OL or DL.
thats how i’d do it but what do i know?
February 7th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
There was some talk about Ray Lewis being available and looking to go elsewhere. He’d work ok with Morrison & Howard for a year or two. He too is on the downside of his career but he could bring and teach the right defensive attitude here. And, that definitely will make a difference.
I don’t know what we’d have to give up to get him but it might be worth investigating.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
gotta run. Later
February 7th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Micheal Bush…
was rated very high, like #6 in the nation, prior to going to college…
he’s 6′3″, 247 and a bona fide football player…
many thought he would play safety in college…
it would not be a huge reach, if he can’t carry the football, to try him at safety…
February 7th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
this may sound idiotic but.
i hope you’re being sarcastic.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
we could special team him… check his tackling…
and see how he works out… second/3rd string him safety…
check his return skills… we gotta get this guy into the game…
uh, i really like this kid…
February 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
not kidding, check his bio at the U of Louisville website…
February 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
alright all. i’m on the east coast. time to crash. laters.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
i believe it but he can’t possibly be fast enough to be a DB in the NFL.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
http://www.michaelbushonline.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
whoops… here’s the site i meant…
http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bush_michael00.html
February 7th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
i’m not doubting that he was a stud. i just don’t know how fast he is with a rehabbed leg.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Bush was also a damn good QB in high school from what I understand.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
he played like six different positons…
DE, Safety, LB, QB, WR, RB…
all of them effectively…
bones heal… and are usually stronger aat the point of the break…
let’s find out… play him… somewhere… anywhere…
this kid is a gamechanger….
February 7th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
okay… found it…
Bush “had” a 4.60 40…
February 7th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
FP -
The problem is that Bush’s break wasn’t a normal one. He had a rod inserted in his leg and although he is expected to recover completely nerve damage and scar tissue can be a bigger issue with his kind of break as opposed to your average broken leg.
Drray broke it down for us a few weeks back. He dropped some serious medical knowledge about his specific injury. Obviously he was better at describing the differences than myself, but you get the general idea.
I am excited about the possibilities with Bush considering his versatility and talent level. But until het gets out there on that leg, he is an unknown commodity.
The same can be said for Tommy Kelly. How will he perform after his injury? Thats another reason why addressing the DLine is so imperative.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
RaiderDogg
okay… well let’s get the kid out there and see what he’s got…
February 7th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Darren McFadden throws a nice pass too.
Man watching those old highlights of Michael Bush at Louisville on youtube. He was a beast. He looked like a cross between Marcus Allen and Earl Campbell. Damn I hope he makes it back to that form!
February 7th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
FP -
Pre-season can’t come soon enough.
and with that I am up and out. Have a good night Nation!
February 7th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
last shout out for the night . i think in the second roud we can find a defensive tackle. hopefully we can bring back some of raider tradition and find a stud in the later rounds also like we did when we drafted (grady jackson, lero’i glover, rod coleman) late round picks who became probowl players after some good season wit the silver and black! we have more holes on the offense then on defense. it’s easier to fill the holes on defense especially at dt. i think the hard part is finding a ss . we aint done well in that department for some years now…..
this is the rukas the motha@#$&*& rukas !
February 7th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Come on….
Are you guys seriuosly suggesting we go with Rhodes, Bush and ”Joe” at HB??…let´s see:
Rhodes, smaller back at 5′9” 205, one strike away from a one year suspension, 29 years old who besides his rookie year (7 years ago) has never carried a full load.
Bush, who hasn´t played a down of football since Sept. 2006 and whose tibia was broken in two places, required a steel rod to be insterted in it as well as a second surgery.
”Joe” Echemandu, a carreer practice squad player soon to be 28 with carreer numbers of 28/110 and who last year logged 20 carries for 85 yards on a depleted Houston backfield where he could not beat out Ron Dayne or Undrafted rookie Darius Walker, he was cut even before the season ended.
I´m sorry but that´s not good enough.
February 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Night people…catch up later….
February 7th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Must be a slow week at Hate-Al Headquarters…..
When one of their smarter and most articulate, if a bit insane, members comes out with some Madden video game ”theories” to show the world how John Madden actually hates the very man he called upon for his Hall of Fame introduction….Funny, some guys choose their children to introduce them……John Madden chose Al Davis.
But to hear MaddenRaider tell it, something is going on because Davis doesn´t appear on the ”Madden” video game…take that Al you bum!.
Out, catch up in the morning.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
READ THIS!!
WE DO NOT NEED FARGAS!! WITH THE RUN SCHEME WE HAVE ANY UNDRAFTED FA IN 08 CAN BE A GOOD FIT IN IT. THINK ABOUT IT FARGAS WAS A MEATBACK UNTIL THIS OFFENSE WAS INSERTED.DON’T BOTHER SIGNING HIM FOR OUTRAGEOUS CASH, IF HE WANTS TO STAY SIGN HIM TO A DEAL THAT BOTH SIDES ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. WITH OUR D COORDINATOR AFRAID TO BLITZ WE HAVE TO DRAFT DE/DT THAT CAN GET TO THE QB AS WELL AS PLAY THE RUN. WE CAN DEAL WITH THE O LATER. OTHER THAN TRADING STU, BRAYTON AND JORDAN IF THERE ARE ANY TAKERS WE WON’T BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE O UNTIL THE 4TH RD. WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE TO GET A 3RD RDR AT LEAST A 5TH TO BOLSTER OUR O HOWEVER. I AM CONFIDENT THAT LANE AND AD WILL DO SOMETHING TO GET A PICK OR TWO AND MAKE THIS TEAM BETTER.COMMITTMENT TO EXCELLENCE.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Goood morning RaiderNation!
–”Chad Johnson shoved a Bengals media relations employee following Pro Bowl practice Thursday, according to FOXSports.com’s Alex Marvez.
T.O. II? Marvez, with Bengals employee Michael Lipman beside him, asked Johnson if he felt better after venting at the Super Bowl last week. Johnson walked away, and when Lipman asked again, Chad reportedly shoved him and “stared him down.” Johnson later admitted on the NFL Network that he’s “gotten out of line every now and then” behind the scenes, adding “what great one doesn’t? Find me a great one that doesn’t do the same things I’ve done and I’ll stop playing. Period.” HOF Class of ‘08 Art Monk comes to mind. Feb. 8 – 12:09 a.m. ET Source: FOXSports.com”–
February 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Marley, I was just joking. But you know what’s really funny about you and all of your spin? The team’s results.
Results, results, results.
After you spend all your time in here digging up whatever kind of dirt you can on Davis’s critics, the team simply continues to stink up the joint. Week after week, year after year. One false promise after another.
You know who’s credibility you really ought to look into?
Not mine.
Not other “Al bashers” that comment here.
Not the press.
Not Jerry’s.
How about the character and consistency of say,
Amy Trask?
John Herrera?
Al Locosalle?
And, but of course, the one and only king of B.S., Al Davis?
Talk about people with questionable character who’ve contradicted themselves more times than anyone could keep count. But never mind them, right? After all, all they do is RUN THE TEAM!!!
Marley’s idea, on the other hand, is to expose the fans who express their opinions on this team.
Yeh, that’s it. Keep them honest.
Meanwhile, when the Raiders tell us everything is A-okay, days after a story breaks of Kiffin being drafted a resignation letter, days after Kiffin is seen around Mobile at the Senior Bowl festivities wearing no Raider gear whatsoever, days after Kiffin refused, and still refuses, to deny a story of being given a resignation letter, and your response? “Looks like there’s nothing to see here after all. So, let’s get back to discussing free agency and going through MaddenRaider’s dental records…”.
Such vigilance. If only you could spin the team into playing better, Marley, because then even I would admire you.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Thats funny. I never thought of it that way.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
It was a short stay. Peace.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Huff, this Marley guy yanks a post of mine from like two years ago, where I said I liked Rob Ryan. Heck, you could go back to October of 2001 and find posts of mine where I supported President Bush. Things happen, and people change their minds based on things that happen. In Marley’s warped, Al Davis is right and the media is wrong world, however, you WILL be held to an opinion you offered in, say, 1977, if Marley could use it to highlight an inconsistency on your part. If he scrutinized Al Davis and the other Raiders spokespeople in the same manner, his head would explode and he’d become a Tampa Bay fan, instantly.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Maybe Al Know’s something we don”t about Ryan
“Let’s assume the worst for the moment about the latest spygate allegations: Let’s say that the Patriots really did assign a team employee to tape the Rams’ final walk-through before the Super Bowl in 2002, and that the Patriots’ defensive coaches then scrutinized the tape as they made last-minute adjustments to their game plan.
If all that is true, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will most certainly discipline Patriots coach Bill Belichick. But he wouldn’t stop there.
The Patriots’ defensive coaching staff for that game consisted of Belichick and five assistants: Defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel, inside linebackers coach Pepper Johnson, defensive backs coach Eric Mangini, defensive line coach Randy Melvin and outside linebackers coach Rob Ryan. All of those five are still in the NFL, but only Johnson is still with the Patriots.
Crennel is now head coach of the Browns and Melvin is one of his assistants. Mangini is head coach of the Jets. Ryan is defensive coordinator of the Raiders. If those four men all cheated to win the Super Bowl, then all four need to be disciplined.
What would that discipline entail? It’s awfully hard to say because we still don’t know much about this case. But if it’s bad as some are suggesting, all of Belichick’s defensive assistants from the 2001 season could be suspended. Jets, Browns and Raiders fans may want to keep an eye on this story.”
February 8th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Why isn’t Plaxico Burress being heralded the way Namath was when he made good on his cocky prediction?
They both did the exact same thing. They predicted a victory, and made good on it.
When Namath made the prediction, he was labeled as an overconfident jerk. When he won, however, he was an icon.
Plaxico makes his prediction, he’s labeled as an overconfident, and foolish, jerk. He wins, and he’s STILL labeled as an overconfident jerk. Where’s the press’s mea culpa? He’s owed his due.
Sports press, don’t ever ask again why you guys are constantly accused of having it in for black athletes. This is another exhibit working against you.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Here’s what’s even funnier, Plaxico not only nailed the victory prediction, he nailed his own Patriots Over/Under!!!
He had the Pats at 17 pts. Even Brady addressed that, even if half jokingly, a few days before the game, certainly for all intents and purposes taking Burress up on his bet and insisting the Patriots would score far more than that. Brady didn’t put it in words, but he addressed the claim, and mocked it. Same thing.
And, the claim turned out to be true. NE scored even less than 17.
What a perfect f’n Super Bowl, man. And if the media doesn’t want to give him the recognition, I will.
BROADWAY PLAXICO!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Picture Plaxico in a white fur coat, on a parade float, in a b boy stance, while Eli toys with his IPod right next to him…
*Roll sound*
Start spreading the news, Im leaving today
I want to be a part of it – new york, new york
These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray
Right through the very heart of it – new york, new york
I wanna wake up in a city, that doesnt sleep
And find Im king of the hill – top of the heap
These little town blues, are melting away
Ill make a brand new start of it – in old new york
If I can make it there, Ill make it anywhere
Its up to you – new york, new york
New york, new york
I want to wake up in a city, that never sleeps
And find Im a number one top of the list, king of the hill
A number one
These little town blues, are melting away
Im gonna make a brand new start of it – in old new york
And if I can make it there, Im gonna make it anywhere
It up to you – new york new york
New york
February 8th, 2008 at 12:21 am
We’re not quite to the point where we can add a personality like Chad Johnson…we’re young and rebuilding still – would he add a couple of wins a year? Yes. Would he be a bad influence on JaMarcus and the rest of the young team? Yes.
CJ wants to either win a superbowl or get all the accolades he can on a personal level – he’s a selfish player who hasn’t matured yet (e.g. Key(”me”)Shawn Johnson, T.O., Randy Moss, etc.). A CJ is a guy you add when you’re missing one piece of the puzzle, not when you’re a couple more drafts away from competing for the playoffs.
We have to be realistic – we need some major help on the D line, a couple of O-lineman, Jamarcus needs to take his lumps for a year or two, we need to find out if we have a franchise RB, if Kiffin or Ryan will be shown the door after 2008 (or sooner), etc.
In the past, Al has always gone after the best players he can find (e.g. moss), whether they were past their prime, misused in by another team, great athletes that he moved to other positions, etc. And that’s a great strategy pre-free agency/salary cap, and still a good move when you’re a player or two away.
At this stage, we’re actually rebuilding for the first time since Al took over (as opposed to reloading), and we’re doing it the right way (dumping the overpriced primadonas, drafting a QB no. 1 overall, etc.).
At almost 30 years old, Chad isn’t going to do us much good – he’ll put up the 1000 yards/8-10 TD’s a year, but he’s not going to put us in the playoffs, and by the time we get the guys we need in the draft, he’ll be over the hill. We have to take a pass on CJ -
It’s the guys like Nnamdi (only because we’re staying with the 4-3 man scheme and he’s a good player/teamate), Morrison, Howard, Huff, and Kelly that we need to keep – on O, we’re building around JaMarcus, Zach Miller, and the Oline/running game. We do need a premier WR, but 30 years old is too old at our present stage of development. If we can grab a Larry Fitzgerald, then I say go for it, but we should target a WR with the 2nd round pick and continue to develop Higgins as our slot guy behind Tim Dwight who can show him how it’s done, along with Lofton who should be a solid WR coach (Coe was a weak addition last year, the only weak guy Kiffin brought in). In my opionion, I think Curry is a great #2 guy for a couple more years, and Higgins should be a good slot man – Porter needs to go and we do need a #1 WR, but there’s nobody good enough or young enough available and the draft doesn’t have a guy worthy of a #1 pick.
I’d like us to go D-line with the first pick (Dorsey, Ellis, or Long) and see what’s available at WR with the Round 2 pick. There are a lot of good prospects rated to go late round 1/early round 2, so let’s see what happens. Alternatively, if we take McFadden with the 1st round pick, he can be used in a variety of passing formations as a slot man, so if we picked up a true burner in Free Agency that was a bust as a #1/2 guy (like Ashlie Lelie, Todd Pinkston, or a later round Al Davis type guy) that could stretch the field to keep the D honest, McFadden could be used to create mismatches as a slot guy, especially if we could use Michael Bush as a situational FB in some formations).
I’m no scout, but if McFadden is worthy of the pick, Kiffin should be able to find some good ways to use him and he will continue to pay dividends down the road as the team completes the rebuild, whereas Chad will either ask for a trade or retire before we get there, and cost us a pick and/or a player. If Chad couldn’t win much with Carson Palmer, he’s not going to do any better here. Back in the day it would be a no-brainer to grab him (maybe for a fourth rounder I’d do it), but my eyes are wide open now and I realize that it costs too much down the road to dump draft picks for disenchanted primadonas.
I’ll also add that after watching what the New York Giants did to the Pats, I have some hope for our Man Scheme that bases all its pressure from the front four, but remember they beat the bucs, cowboys, packers, and patriots – all fairly weak running teams due to personnel and/or game plan. The giants didn’t lose 6 games last year because they were totally dominant. Anyway, since we’re stuck with the man scheme for at least another year, the best way for us to win is to get as many studs on that line as possible, so I hope we draft a D lineman first.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Interesting comments Lee, at #254. Ryan might be guilty of cheating and if he’s implicated he could get booted out of the league. It’s also interesting how the Raiders D is so conservative compared to the Patriots D. Maybe Ryan forgot everything Belicheck and Crennel taught him.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:59 am
SBBV…
I think alot of it has to do with Al meddling in Rob’s business. Look at what they preach in NE.. 3-4, he was brought in to start 3-4…Sapp didn’t fare well in 3-4 and since he was our highest player, they shifted back to 4-3.
Now with Sap gone I hope they will switch back to 3-4.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:08 am
lets see another raider starting cb ,freeagent, on oakland,former #1 draft choice , whos’contract is set to expire.sounds familiar dont it?
( this time its’nhamdi,next year its’fabian,& after that its huff.)
last time i saw this comin w/ woodson back in 04, i yelled that woodson should be traded for # 1-#2-#3 to 49ers that year, they wanted him bad!
but ROBRYAN convinced everyone that it was just 1 bad year & he “can get c-wood back in hof form!
“well you know the rest! RYAN meant h.o.f. form for another team,not the raiders!
we wound up with a 3rd rounder for a PROBOWL/HOF-CALIBER PLAYER!WHY??? WELL THE TREND IS 1-3 years under ROBRYAN,and you are done as a viable player in this league!
look @C-WOOD he goes from HOF,to PALOOKAVILLE in 2 years under this dope! thank god for his sake he only playeD in 19 games in 2 years , otherwise he wouldve really been INFECTED W/THE DIESEASE KNOWN AS “RYANITIS”
THE players on the make or break year are also infected w/”RYANITIS”-HUFF-STU-FABIAN-HOWARD-KIRK-BURGESS-& FINALLY-NHAMDI! THATS 7 PLAYERS FROM 07 ALONE!the previous year produced even more talent for the rest of nfl to get drunk on !LIKE FREE DRINKS @ “HAPPYHOUR”
SO IF AL DAVIS IS STILL SHARP , THE BEST MOVE IS TO START TRADING THE TALENT NOW WHILE THEY ARE STILL MARKETABLE,
RYAN HAS PROVEN TO ALL THAT HE CANT DO ANYHTING
W/ A TALENT LADEN ROSTER!
SO WHY KEEP THEM!TRADE THEM NOW!
WHILE THE REST OF LEAGUE STILL THINKS THEY GOT ALOT LEFT IN TANK! IF NOT HERES’
WHAT OAK IS LOOKING AT AGAIN! NAHMDI 1 YEAR TAG! @9+MILL,
THEN 09 HUFF &FABIANS ARE DUE FOR VOIDABLE YEAR BTW! SO NOW WE WILL HAVE 3-#1′S ALL DUE FOR NEW PAPER! @ OVER $9MILLION PER YEAR!!!
SO THAT PUTS US IN THE SAME SPOT AS C-WOOD! LET HIM GO FOR A #3 & WATCH HIM GO TO PROBOWL/HOF WITH OTHER TEAM!
OR RESIGN @ 9+ MILL$$$YEAR A WHOLE STARTING DEF BACKFIELD THAT IS 30 MILL PER YEAR ! JUST FOR 3 PLAYERS !!! WELL YOU NEED 8 DEF BACKS! SO 1ST 3 ARE 30MILL, THE LAST 5 @ 5 MILL,WAY TO MUCH TO BE GIVING THIS ROBRAYN DOPE!!!! SO ONCE AGAIN DUE TO BAD BAD BAD COACHING ON RYANS END , WE GOT NO CHOICE BIT TO UNLOAD OUR BEST DEF PLAYERS NOW WHILE GETTIN IS GOOD!OR RISK THE RYANITIS SPREADING !!!
February 8th, 2008 at 3:16 am
” RYANITIS” – IS A CONDITION WHEN A TALENT OR PERSONS’ PERFORMANCE DECLINES TO THE POINT OF STAGNATION, IRRELAVANCY, ETC! SYMPOTMS ARE PLAYIN OUT OF POSITION, LOOKING BAD AT SOMETHING YOU ARE NORMALLY GOOD AT. NO MEMORY OR RECALL.
THE ONLY KNOWN TREATMENT FOR ” RYANITIS,” #1 DEMAND A TRADE. # 2 RETIRE #3 FAKE A INJURY & STILL GET PAID!
February 8th, 2008 at 3:23 am
so lets see @ end of 08 w/ RYAN there we will be limping into the end of 2-3 win year!
suffering from a rash of injuries to all the key guys! morrison,howard, burgess, huff, fabian,routt, kelly!! etc!!
you can all get together & blame lane kiffin for the demise! & demand that robryan get another year to “install his defense” ??? whatever that may be!
or be put in as head coach!!so that way he can bring all new players to “RUN HIS SYSTEM”
NOT AL DAVIS’SYSTEM, THEN 2 YEARS & 2-3 WINS LATER WHO WLL U ALL BLAME THEN !!!
AL? ROBRYAN ? NO THATS RITE WHOEVER THE OFF CORDNATOR IS AT THE TIME!!! OR BETTER JA-MRC !!IT WILL BE ALL HIS FAULT !! I FORGOT ABOUT HIM!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:11 am
I don’t see the old Patriot defensive assistants getting nabbed on the issue. In my opinion, it’s Bellicheat and rotten Kraft that will take the fall. Heck, you could say the offense also game-planned with the walk-thru tape as well, right? Where would they draw the line once they started taking down the assistants?
I don’t see the league doing anything unless Congress forces Goodell’s hand. Goodell has already tried burying the Spygate issue. However, I hope Goodell is forced to deal with it and it’s the last time will see that sick grey or red hoodie on the sidelines ever again.
PSA of the day: Don’t eat the yellow snow.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:14 am
Corey Williams
February 8th, 2008 at 5:26 am
LOL…
hey thats a new suggestion, rite? =)
February 8th, 2008 at 5:54 am
i tap his name out a coupla times a day…
it’s intended to be a subliminal suggestion to investigate the possibility of acquiring the guy…
i think he’s really good…
February 8th, 2008 at 5:56 am
if he can’t play running back… try him somewhere else…
we gotta get this guy into the game…
http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bush_michael00.html
February 8th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Pete…I am still hyped on the Raiders drafting Bush….A 4th pick on that sort of talent is worth the gamble that his leg will be fine….From things I have read here and there his problems have not been from pain but from weight gain and slow 40 times…but that is pretty understandable when he could not work out for a long period of time and the severity of the injury
February 8th, 2008 at 6:34 am
i don’t know…
he worked out within a hundred yards of the team all of last year and in training camp…
does the kid still have wheels or what???
i think he lost the weight and was ready (in his mind) to play…
hell, i think he was ready to play…
but a little too much gamesmanship (denying Jordan or Rhodes their freedom) (denying Walter his freedom) (denying the best interest of the Raiders) kept Mr Bush off the roster…
i really want to see this guy play…
and, as far as i am concerned, it can be at any position… if he’s going over 250… try him at linebacker… check his playing career… (in the above link)… this kid is a playmaker… a gamebreaker…
a real football player…
get him in the game!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 6:36 am
I have a friend with a rod in his lower leg, and he plays sport on really high level, a sport without pads and very intense called Handball. He has to jump, shift direction quickly – the moves is much like in basketball and he does that as good as he did before the injury. He said the really important part was that he was out of sports for over a year. Only the final 6 month was he allowed to go to the fitnesscenter. He could build up us musclemass gradually to a much better proportioned frame which he today thinks means he will last longer…
He doesn’t have interest in NFL, but when i talked to him about it, he says it’s no biggy if it gets handle correctly, and with pro helpers around Bush I believe/hope think Bush will be the most important player in our franchise in this decade…
But hey i’m just a naive, ignorant fan that hopes for the best to come =)
February 8th, 2008 at 6:45 am
you know, i’ll bet the Raiders took Bowie to start the 2nd day last year (using the Moss trade pick) to give other teams a chance to eveluate whether they want to trade up to get Bush…
most considered him a steal at the spot…
AD probably wanted too much to give up the pick…
so we got him…
we need to use him… find out either way… up or down… can this guy help us…
February 8th, 2008 at 6:52 am
gotta question…
what if we did not “tag” Nambdi???
a team signs him… what do we get in return…
what if we do tag him…
a team makes an offer we do not match… what do we get in return…
just asking…
February 8th, 2008 at 7:01 am
You guys talk about KoolKell in the past tense. What happened to him?
February 8th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Two first round picks. I dont know if any tagged player has been signed due to the penalty of losing your #1’s.
Adam Schefter reports on NFLN that the Raiders will tag Nnamdi so theres all the incentive we need to forget about the tag and sign him long term.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I saw a special on Sportcenter a week prior to the draft and a specialist stated the titanium rod in Michael Bush’s leg would have no problems once fully healed.
In my opinion, last year was a recovery year for our “steal of the draft.” We may have had to spend a 4th round pick on him and fully know he would be out a year, but if he’s anywhere near as good as he was prior to injury, we definitely have a good power back and proved our low investment was worth the high risk.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Does anyone know why the Raiders drafted Bowie so early last year? Most draft *Experts* didn’t even expect Bowie to be drafted. Anyone have any background on Bowie, besides that he’s fast? Or was this just one of those Al Davis picks…
February 8th, 2008 at 7:23 am
Just Draft Long or Dorsey!!
Rhodes, Bush and Ech are fine at RB. Get a solid stong safety to team with Huff at FS. Also a middle LB and more depth at DL would be nice too!
February 8th, 2008 at 7:24 am
The only thing I know about Bowie is what we’ve seen, he can’t catch for s#!+.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Sorry, Raider Chris, I was thinking of Higgins, that guy can’t catch.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:35 am
You guys can speculate about Bush all you want. I’m gonna sit back and watch. Kiffin’s actions will tell me all I want to do. The strongest indication I can get on Bush’s readiness is if Kiffin does absolutely nothing with the rb corp as it currently stands.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:36 am
John Bowie = James Trapp
http://www.raiders.com/Team/PlayerBio.aspx?id=20850
February 8th, 2008 at 7:37 am
…”Kiffin’s actions will tell me all I want to know…”
February 8th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Has anyone noticed how weak the official Raiders.com site is? You click on the “articles” , and they don’t even come up. The press releases are like they’re from the “Mouth of Sauron”. No clips of good play , no op pieces , just a general lack of content.Most other teams have way better sites , and making a good site is pretty easy these days.If the Raider’s “webmaster” is actually getting paid , like it’s his job , he should be let go.The Raider Nation is Legion , and we deserve better.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Raider Chris
A project in the works, Bowie possesses rare speed and solid size. Had not played much football until this season, yet showed enough skill to be stashed on a practice squad.
—He’s was a track man so we know that’s code Al Davis for draft me!!!
The good: Bowie is a fast, athletic senior cornerback. He is a late developing prospect who sustained several injuries over his limited college career. He shows the ability to tackle in the open field with a great burst of speed to make tackles. He has a strong frame and shows explosive speed to match up in the deep game.
The bad: His early college career was marred by continuous injuries. He sustained a knee injury in the 2004 spring practices, costing him the first four games. His 2005 season ended early after an arm and shoulder injury. The organization that either drafts him or signs him will have to be patient and allow him time to refine his basic technique and recognition skills. He is still a very raw athlete who is tight in the hips and inexperienced in coverage and recognition skills. He can be tight in his turns and is not a really flexible player with questionable footwork and change-of-direction skills. He needs to improve his overall technique and understanding of his defense before he can compete for a playing time at the NFL level.
Outlook: He has the speed, quickness, size and leaping ability to project to the corner spot, but his limited experience makes him strictly a developmental prospect. He could develop into a key backup for the nickel and dime packages, but only after showing marked improvement in many areas. He needs time on the practice squad, but is a probable late pick and good gamble with definite upside potential.
—I don’t have any idea why he was drafted as early as he was.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Terrapin, I feel he same about most speculation on players at this point. I reject out of hand the trade players speculation. I can’t see “trade Burgess, trade Walter” talk. Lane I would imagine had the best handle during the season on the QB play. McCown was the best QB for the play book, Dante is a fumbler, JR not ready. But then I wasn’t expecting a 9-7 season like they were.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Hey MaddenRaider
That post you wrote was from a year ago and you didn´t say you liked Ryan, you credited Ryan for running the 3rd ranked defense and ”credited” Al Davis for staying out of Ryan´s way.
After this season, when the D regressed badly, you turned and said Ryan is not running that defense, it´s Al Davis directly meddling with Ryan´s unit.
So, let´s recap here, when the Raiders had the 3rd ranked defense (phony, but still) you credit Ryan and claim Davis had nothing to do with it. But when the defense plummeted to it´s true level, then it´s Davis fault for medling with it.
How is that even fair? you can´t have it both ways.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:29 am
RaiderTW I’m sitting here laughing at your comment about Johnie Lee Higgins ha ha ha….
The same is true of Bowie….he sounds like he’s got no game, just wheels. We basically threw away two 3rd rounders and two fourth rounders last year! This reeks of Al.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:30 am
DSM Raider Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 7:02 am
I saw a special on Sportcenter a week prior to the draft and a specialist stated the titanium rod in Michael Bush’s leg would have no problems once fully healed.
In my opinion, last year was a recovery year for our “steal of the draft.” We may have had to spend a 4th round pick on him and fully know he would be out a year, but if he’s anywhere near as good as he was prior to injury, we definitely have a good power back and proved our low investment was worth the high risk.
ShawnRaiders:
I agree 100%.
Only one thing Michael Bush is much more than a power back, He has very good feet and is much faster than Jerome Bettis ever could dream.
P.S. he can bomb a football and from his QB days in high school.
Michael Bush if 100% is a complete back.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:31 am
By the way, Kiffin alluded to this when he stated that we need FOOTBALL PLAYERS, who are good at the basic fundementals like catching, tackling, route running etc and not track idiots that will never perform. It’s ok to use a 6th rounder on project scrubs, but we choke all the time on these picks.
Except for Ndamdi, as mentioned in this blog.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Nnamdi even!
February 8th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Oh and MadennRaider
You know what the funny part is?.
I really like what you have to say about non-Davis issues and I agree with lot of your stuff.
Besides, half of the ”Al-bashers” here can’t muster up much besides Al sucks chants, you on the other hand make a lot of valid points and there is truth to some of your concepts, that´s why I consider your posts a good read.
Anyways, after finding out a lot more about you the past few days I can tell you I have come to respect and like you, I guess we´ll always butt heads on Davis but hey, this blog would be boring as hell without some good arguments once in a while.
Allright, the lovefest is now over, sorry everyone…
February 8th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Higgins might be good for running real deep for a Lamonica type throw to open the running game or maybe they can sneak some stickum on him. Otherwise tie his shoe laces together & keep him on the bench.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Bob Marley,
Allright, the lovefest is now over, sorry everyone…
—-Refreshing after the Young Gun shoot out yesterday, hahahaha.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Nnamdi is a solid corner in the NFL, nothing more nothing less. Hopefully AL can sign Nnamdi to sensible long term deal. Nnamdi is not worth almost 10mil a year. We have way to many holes on both sides of the football to give one player especially one that’s not a perennial pro-bowler or at least considered one of the top corners in the league that kind of money.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:27 am
To be honest, it’s not about who has the most credibility or is the most popular. I can mostly only recall things that I believe to be totally annoying or retarded.
I try to handle each post individually and not as a “body of work” of some power hungry wannabee blog superstar!
Try to take each post individually and without bias and debate the individual ideas in the post. It’s tough to be 100% consistent unless you have great inside info or are just stubborn!
February 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Big Al’s Goon.
Nnamdi er more than a solid corner in the NFL. He’s one of the top shut-down corners in the NFL. It’s not a popularity contest and it’s not about how many picks you get. How many passes were actually completed to a guy he was on? How many TD’s did he give up? I can almost guarantee you his numbers are better than ASSante “Pay Me” Samuels.
Now before you go balistic on me Goon, I don’t think he’s worth 10 mil a year. No corner in the NFL is!
February 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am
The NEW crop of Al’s Boyz:
-John Bowie
-Johnny Lee Higgins
-Jonathan Holland
-Stanford Routt
-Chris Johnson
February 8th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Raul….don’t lump Routt in that crew because he’s going to be the real deal next year………mark my words.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I thought Chris Johnson was a joke in the preseason.
But during the real season he was very good special teams player.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Well, at least we agree that no corner in the NFL is worth 10mil per, but what ya gonna do? But in comparing A. Samuel to Nnamdi, Samuel in 5yrs. has 22 career Int’s, 6 of which were from last season. Samuels also had 46 TOT and 43 Solo tackles. Nnamdi with 9 career Int’s in 5yrs. and 34 TOT and 32 solo tackles just doesn’t compare. Nnamdi received received a lot of hype last year and rightly so, but this year was his year to prove last year was not a fluke. Don’t get me wrong, Im not saying don’t try to sign him (to sensible long term deal), but “if” he wants big money then let him walk.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I was disapponted in Higgins last season. Seeing some of his college highlights and preseason TD’s I thought he might make some plays… turns out he did make plays, but bad ones. That punt he fumbled against SD, you could tell he was going to drop based on how jittery he looked when the ball was in the air
February 8th, 2008 at 10:04 am
GOON yeah…no 10 mil for him! If somebody wants to give us 2 First Rounders I’ll be happy.
One reason that our run D kinda sucks and that our corners don’t make a lot of tackles is because we play man and they run with the receiver with their backs to the play. Nnamdi is a very solid tackler. He doesn’t make that many tackles because he’s in man to man coverage.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Mel Kiper on the McFadden to the Raiders question:
”I could definitely see them drafting McFadden. That’s a guy they would look at. They have to consider a RB. They have a lot of RBs in the mix, but no stand out. They’re a team now that would have to say yes to him. But if it’s not McFadden, I’ll tell you what Dorsey would look great in a Raider uniform. They need a top flight DT. He would be a great fit for what the Raiders do.”
Just in case anyone is interested.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Marley…when has Mel Kiper ever been right? ha ha
I love it when people don’t follow his picks and he almost starts crying ha ha
February 8th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Copenhagen
I know, it´s painful to watch as he scrambles for answers come draft day…lol.
But hey, there´s not much happening so that will have to do, I guess. McShay is a much better draft guy at espn.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Marley,
Thanks for the Kiper info……..I could’nt agree with him more. The guys we have are serviceable, but they are not in McFaddens class…Not even close. He will be the difference betweeen winning by 3 or losing by 3. We need to draft a play maker if we can. We should select Dorsey or Ellis, but only if D-Mac is of the board. Chris Long is a little small(Brayton). And I hear Howie made a request for the raiders not to draft his son……D-Mac is the pick…Rest assured!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Raider Glory Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Marley,
Thanks for the Kiper info……..I could’nt agree with him more. The guys we have are serviceable, but they are not in McFaddens class…Not even close. He will be the difference betweeen winning by 3 or losing by 3. We need to draft a play maker if we can. We should select Dorsey or Ellis, but only if D-Mac is of the board. Chris Long is a little small(Brayton). And I hear Howie made a request for the raiders not to draft his son……D-Mac is the pick…Rest assured!!!
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the rumor that Howie said he didn’t want the Raiders to draft his son has been making the rounds…
where did this come from??? what’s the source???
’cause i don’t believe it…
February 8th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Pete,
I believe it came from the NFL Network(Adam Schefter)…..Howie does not want his kid to have to be a hall of famer or bust with the Raiders. It’s noot fair to him. I dont think the Raiders will pick him……He reminds me of Tyler Brayton……..He was a great college player, but will be an average D-lineman. McFadden is the pick.IMO
February 8th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Hey Copenhagenfan, now that’s a no-brainer, 2 first rounders for Nnamdi…done.
I agree that our corners do play a lot of man coverage and most of the time our corners are running with WR’s, but Nnamdi’s tackling numbers should be higher. C.Wood dealt with the same issues when he was a Raider and his tackling numbers were much higher.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:28 am
2sense Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
which was a fluke in clark’s career. the two solid years he had for oakland or the other twenty he sucked for everyone else.
2sense Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
which was a fluke in clark’s career. the two solid years he had for oakland or the other twenty he sucked for everyone else.
Sounds like Al was right on when he hire LB Coach Don Martindale. I wonder why his name gets brought up with Millards (D Oine Coach) in many of these discussions.
Why would we move Morrison who was again in the top ten in tackles in the NFL?
We have a young LB Corp who will do nothing but get better.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Michael Bush… middle linebacker???
6′3″, 250… 4.6 speed…
if he can’t play running back… try him somewhere else…
we gotta get this guy into the game…
http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bush_michael00.html
February 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Morrison was not again in the top ten in tackles in the NFL. In 2006, Morrison was #11 in tackles with 128 TOT and 102 solo tackles. In 2007, Morrison was #12 with 121 TOT and 96 solo tackles. Morrison was tied with Ray Lewis for that #12 spot and Ray missed the last two games of the season. Our “young” LB corp is athletic, good aganist the pass and suspect against the run. We could use some help/improvement at this position, but I’d rather start up front first.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
More on espn´s Kiper chat today…..
”If the Raiders can get Dorsey where could you see their Run Defense ranking next year with this addition? Last to……??”
”When you look at his explosiveness, how tough he is and his leadership are all huge assets to any defense. He’s to the DT spot what Ray Lewis is to the MLB spot. In terms of energy and enthusiasm and making everyone around him better. He played through that injury this year. He’s a great character guy. He’s passionate about the game. I think the world of Dorsey.”
February 8th, 2008 at 10:43 am
GOON but Woodson was also playing a hybrid position where he covered the slot receiver and then acted like a safety at times. I think they called it Wolverine Back if I’m not mistaken!
February 8th, 2008 at 10:45 am
The good news is that we’ll get one of the following:
1. Elis
2. Dorsey
3. C. Long
4. McFadden
In any case we get a playmaker. We can’t lose with any of those guys. I am a bit worried that C. Long could indeed be a Tyler Brayton and he’s already 24!
February 8th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I can’t believe Bob Marley practically proposed marriage to MaddenRaider (post #288)…what is this world coming too?
February 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Dorsey is just what the doctor ordered. Hopefully AL can work some magic and bring him home. Dorsey played like a man among boys in college. Hopefully, he’ll have that same impact at the NFL level, if we get him.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Cope, you’re right in the later years CWood was playing a hybrid position, but if you go further back in his career with Raiders before the position switch CWood’s tackles were still pretty decent.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Dakota
Yeah, thanks…I feel like such a lame dude now…Lol.
Next thing you know you´ll be falling out of love for McFadden uh?.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I can’t believe we have people wanting to get rid of ASO. And Burgess and every other decent player on our team. Say what you want of Mr. Davis, but thankfully he’s calling the shots and not any of us. Man oh man.
ASO is one of the players that actually works hard, studies film and still tries to get better each week. What a great message that would send to our team, right? Get rid of the hard worker for two first round picks? I mean first round picks are guaranteed to be superstars, right? Sheesh.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Bob,
Nope, never, not gonna happen…unless of course he lays an egg at the combine!
Speaking of the combine, when does all the fun start? When is the combine and when does free agency begin? End of this month sometime? I feel like we are in football limbo right now.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Nnamdi is a keeper, even if we have to overpay him. There are othere areas we can cut to save money (Brayton, Stu, Sims). Pay the man and let’s build a decent team Al.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Nnamdi is excellent, Routt really improved, Washington was having an absolutely monster training camp but somehow regressed during the season, if only the light would go off for Mike Huff. And if we had any type of pass rush, these guys would be waaaay better. And basically they’re pretty good cover guys as it is.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Morrison should be moved to the outside (Sam Williams spot) like Howard, since they are bot quick (sideline-to-sideline) and great in coverage. We need a real wedge-buster in the middle to make tackles at the line of scrimmage. That was a big complaint of at least one Raider on the D-line, don’t know who…i read this little tidbit somewhere…don’t recall exactly where.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Like I said yesterday:
The NY Giants proved that defense wins games.
We need to beef up our “D”!
February 8th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Jedi Raider has made most since as of today.
Nice thought process JR.
Wheres “Coach on Wheels?” He makes good since also.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:13 am
If I was still playing defensive line and getting my butt kicked by the ground game on a weekly basis, I’d try to blame the linebackers, too.
What are the odds of restructuring Turd Sands contract? Talk about a disappointment for me this year. I really thought he was going to be a stud against the run last season. It’s like he forgot how to get low and use leverage. I don’t understand it.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Allright, catch you guys later…..
I´m gonna go find a taser gun and shoot myself so this whole MaddenRaider-props thing goes away.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Florida Pete Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Michael Bush… middle linebacker???
6′3″, 250… 4.6 speed…
if he can’t play running back… try him somewhere else…
we gotta get this guy into the game…
http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bush_michael00.html
ShawnRaiders:
This is one of the weirdest things anyone has said on this post.
Michael Bush was a top candidate for the Heisman before he rushed for over 100 yards in the first HALF of the KY game then broke his leg.
This guy is a RB and a very good one.
If he is 100% we will all forget about D-mac very very fast.
I would love McFadden/Bush combo.
But need is at DT/WR/SS
February 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Bush had 130 yds and 3 TDs in that first half, if i’m not mistakened.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Quagmire’dWithAnotherLosingSeason Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Bush had 130 yds and 3 TDs in that first half, if i’m not mistakened.
Yeah. Thanks for the stats.
Michael Bush is a freak of nature.
Lets take him for a spin befor we buy another car.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:21 am
That’s what Kiffin wanted to do before the end of the season, but it didn’t happen.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Anyone else feel a bit weird about the whole Michael Bush not being activated near the end of the season? Felt like a power trip in the organization.
I mean Jarod Cooper was done for the season and wasn’t placed on IR for weeks. I don’t understand why we couldn’t have activated Bush for the last few games just in case. Activating him didn’t me we had to play him for sure, but it would have given us a nice chance if we wanted to do it. It didn’t seem like the roster spot was the real reason.
If it wasn’t a power trip, Bush could be farther away from playing than any of us realize.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:29 am
i’m not saying he should play middle linebacker…
i’m saying we need to get him into the game…
because he IS a football player…
hell, freaking nose tackle… i don’t care…
get him in the game…
February 8th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Who really knows Wolverine. All i know is over a year of inactivity on the field (real games) is not good. As a player he doesn’t even know what to expect yet as far as gamespeed, preparations, assignments, anything. They made it seem as though he was ready to roll.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Quagmire-he spent the whole year with the team and did practice with the team before he was put on IR.he should know what to expect as far as preperation and assignments.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Look at Solo Tackles then come back to me!
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Morrison was not again in the top ten in tackles in the NFL. In 2006, Morrison was #11 in tackles with 128 TOT and 102 solo tackles. In 2007, Morrison was #12 with 121 TOT and 96 solo tackles. Morrison was tied with Ray Lewis for that #12 spot and Ray missed the last two games of the season. Our “young” LB corp is athletic, good aganist the pass and suspect against the run. We could use some help/improvement at this position, but I’d rather start up front first.
And I agree that we need DT’s
February 8th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Hey Guys, The Ravens did the same thing will Willis Magahee remember.
He turned out pretty good.
I think Michael Bush will be too.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I suspect the Bush issue was a combination of two things, salary and seeing what we had in the backs we already have. I think Kiffin knows exactly what he has with Bush. Knowing Bush may effect our draft concerning DMc too. We may chose to trade down if the D line drafts are off the board. We’ll see!
February 8th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Lefty, ur right, but it’s different once ur in the game…no time to think, only react. He has practiced, but never actually prepared to play a game before.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Yeah I agree. They really made it seem like he was ready to roll and I was shocked when he wasn’t activated.
Perhaps, he’s not as ready as we were led to believe and Kiff was trying to keep his spirits up after working so hard all season to come back from the injury?
I’m dying to see him on the field. It would have answered a lot of questions and made the whole McFadden issue a lot easier to gauge.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Great points, Wolverine. We have so many backs, they should stand pat as far as that position goes…just my opinion.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:47 am
…assuming they resign Fargas and keep Rhodes.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Well, I never said get rid of Nnamdi, but I did say don’t overpay him. For what Nnamdi brings he can be replaced. He’s a solid player, but he’s no superstar or even a consistent pro-bowler/alternate or otherwise. We should not give him 10mil a year because he studies film and helps old lady’s across the street. I could care less of how upstanding Nnamdi appears to the public/fans. What he’s doing on the field is what concerns me. And what I see is solid play, but not worth 10mil per. Not with all the other glaring holes on both sides of the football. And Nnamdi is proof that first round picks are not guaranteed to be superstars, along with Brayton and Gallery. But in the big gamble that is the draft having two first round picks increases our chances of getting that superstar or at least a solid player.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Playing Bush would have been a risk not worth takng. No playoffs in sight. As far as McFadden he could line up all over the place creating havoc on a defense causing defenses to play the run leaving one on one coverage for our WRs. If Bush turns out a monster McFadden could return kicks too to get him more touches- our version of Hester. They would take so much pressure off Russell as he develops plus a young developing TE. We need a coaching staff and a core of players that will be together for a long time then we will win again. I(We all) just enjoyed the Giants knocking off the Pats but we’ll enjoy it more when it’s the Silver and Black’s turn. My biggest ? mark is Rob Ryan. I think we have the talent on defense outside of a few players. Fabian Wasington should be playing better along with a few others. Yards after catch by our defense was atrocious this last season. This needs to be emphasized in practice on a daily basis or else Ryan’s not doing his job. Players do not make it to the NFL without tackling in high school and college. Ryan needs to be held accontable for this. A good DC does not let this happen every game. The season can not be a “TRYOUT” anymore. Have a good weekend Raider fans. The best is yet to come.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
my raiders need to get cured form that diesease called
” RYANITIS”
FIRST!!! anyone they bring in dorsey-long ellis etc!
will crash & burn immediatley, then all you ryan groupies will love calling them “BUSTS” like youve already done,huff-moses fabian,BURGESS,BRAYTON, etc! and ” we need guys w/ heart” thats the one that i like !!
we need more fans like me! WITH BRAINS! THAT NO SHIT FROM SHINOLA!!!AND W/ EXCEPTION OF A FEW OF YOU THERE AINT NO QUALIFIED PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT MATCH THIS DESCRIPTION!!GET LONG OR DORSEY SHIT YEAH RITE!! IF THEY AINT ON THE D.L.IN 2 YEARS YOUD ALL BE SHWOING THEM THE DOOR!!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Fair enough, you didn’t say get rid of him, just that it’s a no-brainer to trade him for two first round picks. However, how many interceptions should he have made from the 30 passes thrown at him all year? Tackling is a great thing to have from a cornerback, but for me it takes a backseat to coverage skills. I just think you are underestimating his contributions to our defense.
Pro Bowls don’t make a superstar for me. Aso is a star on our defense. One of the only bright spots last season.
I will agree with you though on the point of overpaying. While I hate to do it, I just don’t see it being possible getting him for a decent price after the contract Nate Clements got last year.
And if Aso wasn’t a Raider anymore then what do we have? Washington and Routt as the starters. Or Routt and an unproven rookie? Next thing you know we’re stopping the run effectively, but now getting beat by the pass every game.
With the cap space we have this year, I don’t see giving him the money as much of an issue as when we had Woodson playing the franchise game.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Jack,
Sure in solo tackles alone Morrison moves up into the top ten, but you and I both know that’s not what was said and that’s not how players are statistically ranked for tackles in the NFL.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Raiders need somebody like Tatum.
It’s not so easy to concentrate on catching the ball when you know you might get sledgehammered at any second.
A lot of wide receivers actually avoid contact.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Agree with Jack Johnson 100%
Our linebacking corps is one of the team’s biggest strengths! Morrison, Thomas and Howard are solid. All 3 are young – give LB coach Martindale some credit for developing their talent!
If it aint broke don’t fix it.
We need big run stoppers (Hainesworth/Rogers) up front who can also make a push up the middle to collapse the pocket, this will help our LB corp and passrush from Burgess and Clemens/Richardson.
If you feel a coaching change is needed on defense look to Millard, he’s responsible for the D-Line…who let Sands regress into a nonfactor? It wasn’t Martindale…
Keep your eye on the biggest needs: DT & Safety
February 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Anyone hear anything more on Haynesworth and the franchise tag? I haven’t been able to find anything since the franchise period opened up now this month.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Well I’m glad there “ain’t no” qualified fans on this site. Man oh man.
Personally, I haven’t found a blog or anything Raider-related close to this site. Some of the best, informed fans are right here. I learn something new everyday and it’s one of the only things I look forward to each day. Reading the posts of my fellow fans.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
just saying…
$116M salary cap…
let’s say we budget that $58M for offense, 58M defense…
and let’s break that down as well…
defense… 25 players, offense 25 players
cap-onomics notwithstanding; you have an average salary of just over 2 million per player…
allocating 70% to first teamers would give you roughly $35M for 11 players… average of 3.2M per player…
just throwing out numbers…
February 8th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Studying our roster, things don’t look that bad…a few huge needs that can be addressed through trades, FA, and the draft. Let me know what you think
QB – Russell
RB – Bush/Fargas/Rhodes
FB – O’Neal/Griffith
TE – Miller
1WR – Bring in big name through FA (Johnson/Berrian/Williams)
2WR – Curry
3WR – Higgins
RT – Henderson/
RG – Carlisle/McQuistan
C – Newberry/Grove (Scary position Newberry old/knees Grove does not impress)
LG – Gallery…seems servicable here?
RT – Must address through FA trade or draft! Simms can backup
MLB – Morrison
OLB – Thomas
OLB – Howard
LCB – Asomugha
RCB – Routte
FS – Huff
SS – Bring in big hard hitting stud through FA/Draft (Bigsbi)
LDE – Burgess
RDE – Clemens/Richardson
DT – Hainesworth – FA Move Heaven and earth to make this happen!
DT – Warren/Sands (trade for Shaun Rogers of Detroit??)
P – Lechler
K – ???? Tired of Seabass missing in clutch…but love his touchbacks….hmmm two kickers Its been done before???
GONE!!!!
Schweigart – (Worst professional I’ve ever seen at any position in any sport)
Brayton – (I got a motor, I got a good attitude, this does not mean I should be in the NFL)
Culpepper – Should have started all last year – no role for him now – plus he wants to start somewhere
Porter – Hasta Lavista! What do we have to show for 7 yrs in the NFL?
Jordan – Good Riddance! Go look for a place to fall somewhere else!
Walter? – Do we keep him with McClown wanting to stay?
February 8th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I don’t care about our LB’s stats, because if they have a pass rush in front of them they’ll flow to the ball and make MANY more tackles and both Morrison & Howard will be competing with other LB’s for the Pro Bowl. When Ray Lewis lost his big front 4, he demanded the Ravens draft or sign a big DT FA or he was going to demand a trade. They drafted Haloti Ngata and the following year their D was phenomenal.
I’ll praise DMac all day because I don’t think we’ll have a shot at Dorsey and DMac is rated much higher than Ellis so DMac would be the next best pick.
Either way, we need a pash rush for the D. Many of our young players will look even better with a pass rush: Morrison, Howard, Routte, Huff, and even Washington in the nickel.
A secondary isn’t built to defend the run all day. Give any secondary 5-7 seconds to defend a pass and someone is bound to give up a huge gain. Force the QB to pass in 3-4 seconds and those holes in the secondary aren’t nearly available as often.
I would want Dorsey as he’s a man child in the SEC and has been dominant and should be the next dominant DT in the NFL. Plus he’s spent his fair share of time with Russell so there’s a positive if we need any feedback on him.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Florida Pete, that’s a great breakdown. I never really looked at it that way.
Anyone know what sort of accelerated numbers we’ll deal with in regards to Sapp retiring? I haven’t heard much on this issue. And he still hasn’t officially filed the papers with the league. Second thoughts possibly? A year of Sapp mentoring Ellis or Dorsey wouldn’t be a bad thing at all in my mind.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
We will do everything we can to pick either Dorsey or Ellis.
The Raiders have NEVER had a HOF career DT. NEVER. (I don’t count Long b/c he also played DE) Sure, we’ve had servicable guys for 2-3 years (Jackson, Maryland, etc), and have drafted really high also (Russell, McGlockton, etc), BUT NEVER a career HOF Raider DT.
We need to begin the DT legacy this season!!
SORRY DAKOTA!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I really hope that Henderson can take a giant step next season and be our starting Left Tackle. If not, we better pick up a decent free agent LT, or find somebody in the draft. Barry Sims is like a turnstile…a free pass to drill Russell for opponents; not to mentions his false starts
February 8th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Florida Pete
RE:Post 270
When we lost C-Wood our Compensatory pick was 3rd rd#99 and last round 254
This is just a guess but if we were dumb enough not to tag Nambdi the comp would be about the same.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
No that’s not right about the comp being the same. Woodson wasn’t franchised the year the Pack signed him. If he was we would have gotten two 1st rounders from the Packers.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
D’oh sorry Raider Fan I read your wording wrong. You are exactly right about the compensation if we didn’t franchise Aso. Sorry about that.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Oh yes it is right wolverine do the research
February 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Is that cumbersome term “Ryanitis” going to catch on or die a slow death?
The 3 needs we have are:
DT, and I don’t see us getting Hainsworth because he’ll get franchised. I see us taking Elis or Dorsey, which will do us fine. I’d love to see Rodgers from the Lions come on board. Maybe McClown can recruit him?
OT > I don’t see us picking up a big time free agent here, maybe an adequate starter if we’re LUCKY! I don’t see any
WR > We’re pretty much doomed because I don’t see any receivers in the FA market that are that much better than Porter, and don’t know if any rookies we can get in the draft will be able to step up right away.
SS- Same as WR.
MLB > We’ve all talked about moving Capt. Kirk to the outside. That would be great, but who are we going to get??? Who can step up NOW?
The bottom line is that we need to wheel and deal now and get some more draft picks and pick guys who are FOOTBALL players that can play NOW. No more projects!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
ok 3 needs became 5 right quick!
February 8th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Dakota Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 10:58 am
“Speaking of the combine, when does all the fun start? When is the combine and when does free agency begin? End of this month sometime? I feel like we are in football limbo right now.”
Dakota -
Key Dates
February 20-26 – NFL Scouting Combine at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis.
March 1st – Free Agency Begins
Late March – Off-season workout programs begin at the Raiders’ training facility in Alameda, CA
April 26, 27 – 2008 NFL Draft
Late July – The Raiders report to Training Camp 2008 in Napa, CA
February 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
We need the best available players right now. These are, Dorsey, DMac, C Long, & Matt Ryan only because he’s a QB. Ellis is #5 and not a “sure thing” like Dorsey, DMac, & Long. If we pick at the 3 spot, then we one of them.
If Matt Ryan slips and we are at the 4 spot, then Ellis would have to be drafted at that spot because we have no need for a QB.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Hey Wolverine, what if we get rid of Millard and make Sapp the DL coach?
February 8th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Again, I think we as Raider fans realize that we have several holes to fill and other areas that could use some improvement on both sides of the ball. With that said how can we overpay Nnamdi? Nnamdi is a soild player and I like his approach to the game etc., but what made him a “Superstar” on our defense last year? That statement is thrown around so much I’d like a little clarity concerning it. And besides some thought that we had to pay CWood in 2006 like we did back in 2004 and 2005, but Nnamdi proved that we could survive without our pro-bowl corner. Who’s to say that another one of our high-drafted corners couldn’t replace Nnamdi “if” he walks. Again, I like Nnamdi but not at 10mil per. We D-limen, at least one dominant hard-hitting safety, O-lineman etc. If we can’t stop the run teams will be less likely to pass anyway.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Most NFL team’s Practice Squad players at LT & FS are better tham Sims & Schwag… There has to be better talent out there in free agency for those positions
February 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Big Al’s Goon:
I was going to comment earlier on this but chose not to. You still have to keep it going so let me point something out:
Opposing coaches have to game plan around him. How many times do they throw the ball his way? Even announcers consistently say he’s the most underrated CB in the league and one of the best cover corners.
Unless he has a D in front of him making plays or they throw the ball against him a lot, he’s not going to be a “superstar” because his numbers won’t support it on a bad defense.
Howard was in the same boat this year. Until the D improves by leaps & bounds, no one on D is going to get the public & media Superstar label.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The only problem with Sapp replacing Millard is that I heard or read something where Sapp would never coach as the hours coaches put in are insane even compared to players’ hours and Sapp has no desire to do such a thing right now. Otherwise, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Like him or hate him, Sapp is a leader and a motivator.
As far as Aso again, I just can’t take the chance on it working out that by subtracting from our defense, we’ll be better in the long run. I’m just scared to let a guy like him go when our defense, like you said, already has several holes. We’ll just have to agree to disagree, but you do make some good points Big Al’s Goon.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
The fact of the matter is that we should sign our up and coming guys to NEW longer contracts when we can see that they are performing instead of waiting until they become free agents and we have to franchise them and pay insane top dollar based on the ludicrous contracts that other idiots are paying them. Case in point 49′ers and Colts with Freeney and Sanders.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
hahahaha ok look fellas….our defense needs additions to the good players, not subtractions. Burgess, Huff, Nnamdi, Morrison, Howard shouldn’t come up in annnnny trade discussions, they are the core of our defense. We need to trim the dead weight and build around them. anything else is uncivilized
February 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
copenhagen, you’re so right I fully agree
February 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
The only players on D we should be focusing on replacing are Brayton, Sapp, Stu, & Thomas.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
unbelievable-we have 1-1-i repeat 1 player who is in the top 5 at his position in the NFL and some of you want to let him get away.unbelievable!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Wolverine, ur right about Sapp. But how much time really goes into being a DL coach aside from practice? It’s not like he would be a DC working on schemes and game plans.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Lefty 12: How do we know Ellis isn’t going to be the next Gerard Warren? We can’t and IF & only IF Dorsey/C Long/DMac are drafted in the first 3 slots and we lose the coin toss to Atlanta (3/1 odds we will in my book), then Ellis is the next best pick.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
you’re also wrong about Brayton.he made as many if not more key 3rd &4th down stops last year than any other D-Lineman.he’s not an everydown player,but he is good at playing in certain situations.plus he is versatile.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
As for starters, Brayton shouldn’t be in the mix. I agree he’s a good backup, but that’s about it.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
DSM-Ellis won’t be another Warren.the knock against Warren before the draft was he took plays off and often times wasn’t motivated.the complete opposite is said of Ellis-never takes plays off-motor doesn’t stop.two different animals.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
but nothing is a sure thing!
February 8th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Asomugha and Lechler are top 5 and Janikowski is the top kicker for distance, not so good for accuracy. Asomugha is certainly worth the tag price for this year and maybe even for next year, but neither the player nor the team wants to have to use the tag for anything other than a placeholder for a contract. A good SS should be easy to pick up this year.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
corey williams!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Good point as I don’t really have a clue as to how many hours a line coach would put in. We always hear about the crazy hours for coordinators and head coaches, but not much about other position coaches.
Jerry, this could make a cool little article one day. I’d love to know more about it.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
BRAYTON MAKES A GREAT S.D.E VS , AND OFFERS SPEED IN NICKS&DIMES AS “PASSRUSHER” @ SDT ( MEANING 2ND&3RD DOWNS W/ +7 YARDS ) IF BRAYTON STARTED @ EITHER END SPOT IN 07 OUR RUN DEF PER CARRY AVEG WOULDVE BEEN A YARD LESS , THAT IS HUGE!!!
BUT DUE TO RYANS/KIFFINS SUB HUMAN APPRAOCH TO MANAGING, I GET RICHARDSON & CLEMONS!OOHH WOW!!! BOTH ARE NO TALENT JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE TYPES!!WHAT GOOD IS THAT !!
BUT FUNNY HOW MOST OF YOU SEEM TO LIKE THAT KIND OF PLAYER , THATS PROBABY WHY I AM RITE ABOUT MY VIEWS ON YOU RYAN GROUPIES!!! OH THANK GOD IT IS ONLY A FEW MORE WEEKS B4 HE IS GONE!!!AND RON RIVERA IS OUR NEW DEF CORD!!! OR ANYONE IS BETTER THEN RYAN!! I CANT WAIT TO HEAR ALL YOU RYAN BITCHES CRYING LIKE THE LITTLE HOMOS THAT YOU ARE!
February 8th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
OH P.S. IF YOURE NOT FOR US , YOU’RE AGAINST US!!
” IT IS THAT SIMPLE”
AM I CLEAR !! I SAID AM I CLEAR !!!!
DONT ANSWER!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
decafe and capslock
February 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Lots of scenarios here, I think. Not enough information to go on, at least at the moment. We may even run the 3-4 next year, which puts C. Long in the mix (I know he’s a nice player, but if we’re 4-3 next year we have to take a tackle).
One thing that’s not been discussed a whole lot beyond Dallas wanting McFadden is the other options we may have come draft day. Dallas isn’t the only team interested in him, and there are also teams out there that want Matt Ryan and that could be trade partners in order to get him.
My first choice is Glenn Dorsey. I think he’s going to be a star, and the team that gets him is going to be very happy for a long time. If he’s gone before we pick, though, I think we should really consider our other options. Very deep class for defensive tackles, and if we can’t get the top guy then there’s nothing wrong with upgrading another position or two in addition to that one.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Morrison is a decent mlb, he’s really playing out of position, he is an all-pro on the outside. A solid 10 tackle a game mlb is a glaring need, somebody who makes the tackle every time. A good run defense takes two solid dt’s a stud mlb and a solid ss, speed and pursuit everywhere else. Were only talking about three good players here to make a huge defensive upgrade, Draft DT in the first round, get the best MLB (that doesn’t mean the fastest) with a nose for the ball either through the draft or FA, and get a SS through FA (exp. is a must at this position). That’s it, defense fixed.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Freezie:
I haven’t looked, but who’s likely to be available at SS and MLB in the FA arena?
February 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
freezie Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Morrison is a decent mlb, he’s really playing out of position
ShawnRaiders:
I really do disagree that Morrison is not a MLB.
we have no great DT’s and everyone that knows football will tell you that a great DT will make all the diffrence for ALL the LB’s due to double teams.
yet Morrison still has over 100 tackles every year.
I even think Ray Lewis would agree with me
February 8th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I love Morrison, and he gets the job done, I just think that with his speed and pass coverage ability, you want to keep him away for the FB, or the pulling guard and let him make huge plays on the outside, there’s a big difference between OLB and MLB and it’s a testament to his ability that he can play both. I see him as a top five in the league for the next 10 years at OLB.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
SS, Gibril Wilson nyg, best fa safetey this year
February 8th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Just food for thought, the 49ers (hate) have no great DT’s but Patrick Willis had over 200 tackles as a rookie, and there run defense was, I hate to say, better than the Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
yeah freezie, they play a 3-4, where you don’t need great dts “hint hint” just big guys who can occupy space and allow the lb’s to get to the ball
February 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I say all this because neither Robert Thomas or Sam Williams are getting the job done on the outside anyway.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
raiderwill1980 Point taken
February 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
freezie Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Just food for thought, the 49ers (hate) have no great DT’s but Patrick Willis had over 200 tackles as a rookie, and there run defense was, I hate to say, better than the Raiders.
ShawnRaiders:
The niners run defense I would not even call good to great, They may have been better than ours but that not saying much.
Willis is about the same size as Morrison, and I do think the are alot alike.
Morrison is a MLB and have the physical ability to be a damn good one.
We need a big run stuffing DT, Haynesworth would be my pick.
P.S. Pat Willis also has a HOF coach in Mike Singeltary. That probably helped.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
DSM Raider,
Opposing coaches have to game plan around Nnamdi? Since when? And which coaches were these? Got some names, some sources, anything? And I hate to say it in this manner because like I have said many times Nnamdi is a solid corner.
Top 5? You’ve got to be kidding. Again, maybe some here are still living off the hype of his 2006 season. And are you saying that there are no “Superstars” on bad teams? LOL!! You’ve got to be kidding. Again, I think Nnmadi is a solid corner, but for 10mil per I want better than solid. Nnamdi is a top 5 corner?
Is this what we’ve resulted to believing hype? We have a rich history of having real superstars and top 5 players that allowed their play and stats speak for themselves, insteadof excuses. Also, being underrated doesn’t mean your top 5. It just means you don’t get enough recognition as a good player, which Nnamdi is. And I don’t know where your going with that Howard stuff. Howard needs to improve against the run before he can be thought of as an elite/superstar LB.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I think we should draft sibikowski in the 4th round if he is there. and of course move Huff to FS.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Morrison is a decent MLB. His run defense gets overshadowed because of a poor front four. I don’t care who you have at MLB. If the DL doesn’t tie up the OL there’s not much anyone can do at his position. His speed gets him in trouble a little when he over commits but who doesn’t in the silver and black D.
And I’ve been reading this Gibril Wilson stuff on here the past couple days. Hasn’t anyone around here learned anything from Anthony Dorsett and Larry Brown? He has the best front four in football. Of course he looks good. Shelling out big dollars for him would be a BIG mistake. He would be no better than average on our defense.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Big Als Goon-
dont be silly dude. why do are you hatin on nnamdi. he’s a shut down corner. period. give me some sort of reason as to why you might think otherwise.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
don’t ask why i said “why do are you hatin.” accident.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
2sense…He’s an above average safety that tackles very soundly and fundamentally, basically the opposite of stuey. We’re going to have to shell out good money or find our own undrafted rookie to play back there, we obviously need a change, but Dline is the foundation, never once will i dispute that. the [big uglies] have to do their job first, the front 7 of any defense has to be stout against the run, and we don’t have that currently
February 8th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
To Copenhagenfan, Wolverine, DSM Raider and the rest of the Raider fans here. I’m not saying don’t sign Nnamdi or don’t try to retain him. I want AL to pull all the leverage he has on Nnamdi to make him stay except, overpay.
“If” I felt we were one or two players away I could see it, but we all know we are not a couple of players away. We have many holes to fill to get back where we all want to be. I hated letting CWood walk just like I would hate it “if” we let Nnamdi walk. But for 10mil per, its the best move for the team, especially this on with so many holes to fill.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Our new Strength and Conditioning coach should focus on adding some much needed beef to Morrison and Huff.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
they only threw about 30 passes against Nnamdi all season.that means opposing coaches were game planning to stay away from him.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
raul…don’t leave out higgins…that guy is a bag of bones. you can’t be a punt returner when the wind can knock you down
February 8th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
2sense,
I wish I was being silly. I hate the fact that were in this situation at all, but such is life. I think the better question is how are defining shut-down corner? The reasons I say that is because I may agree with your definition. Like I have said before Nnamdi is solid but at 10mil per I want more than solid. More like elite.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Goon,you obviously don’t understand how contracts work.when a player signs a contract for 3 yrs at 30 million,most of that is in the bonus.they usually get paid about 3-5 mil.per year.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I agree stu needs to take a seat. but it was for coverage reasons. he never played in the box. again when you have 300 pound oafs running around free it doesn’t matter who’s back there.
and what position did wilson play for the giants?? didn’t he play FS?
February 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Nnamdi is elite.if you don’t know that,you don’t know football!
February 8th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
goon…he’s young, already above solid, and if you watched the way qb’s avoided him this season, i’d say he’s an elite shutdown corner. he gave up 1 td all season man, and only 12 catches. they showed the stat last game of the season…dude, he’s worth it
February 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Lefty 12 says:
they only threw about 30 passes against Nnamdi all season.that means opposing coaches were game planning to stay away from him.
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OR, was it because our swiss cheese run defense, you know the one that turned no-name RB’s into hero’s for a day, was so poor or pourous most teams felt no need to pass.
February 8th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Will,
You’re right…Higgins was a wuss his rookie year…
While we’re at it:
-Sands needs to play lower
-Routt still plays too stiff
-Since Schweigert has no upside, he can’t be fixed
February 8th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
BIG AL’S GOON – You are the man. Don’t back off. You are completely on target. Nnamdi is a good corner, but he is not an elite corner. Al should NOT break the bank for him.
Is he a top five corner?
He is the third best corner in the AFC west.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Lefty 12 says:
Goon,you obviously don’t understand how contracts work.when a player signs a contract for 3 yrs at 30 million,most of that is in the bonus.they usually get paid about 3-5 mil.per year.
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What are you talking about. If Nnamdi is franchised he will get close to 10mil for the year.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
woodson and nnamdi aren’t even on the same planet. woodson was a whiner and a choker. outside of his fluke interception he got abused in the super bowl. he got abused in the tuck rule game against the patriots as well. when it came down to it. he just couldnt make a play in the clutch. He just wanted his pay check. not to mention he was high society out of college. nnamdi is a product of his own hard work.
shut down meaning he shuts down his side of the field. They rarely tested him and when they did he delivered. he’s worth it and with his reported work ethic he’s only going to get better. plus they have cap room so whats the deal?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Just wait until we get another premier corner opposite Nnamdi. He’s just hitting his prime! We need to lock him up to at LEAST a five year deal. I would offer $10 million/yr for 5 years + $8 million signing bonus. $58 million total value to stay a Raider. He’s earned it.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
so what you two are saying is to lose nnamdi to free agency and fill his position with who???????? draft another DB in the draft and hope he pans out. Not seeing the logic.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Raiderwill1980 says:
goon…he’s young, already above solid, and if you watched the way qb’s avoided him this season, i’d say he’s an elite shutdown corner. he gave up 1 td all season man, and only 12 catches. they showed the stat last game of the season…dude, he’s worth it
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Our secondary didn’t give up a lot of passing yards or passing TD’s last season. If you look at the pass defense numbers they are low across the board Wash, Routt, and Nnamdi. Why pass when the Raiders can’t stop the run.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
BAG,
Considering your comment, maybe a contract like $18 million signing bonus and $8 million/yr for 5 yrs?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
2sense says:
so what you two are saying is to lose nnamdi to free agency and fill his position with who???????? draft another DB in the draft and hope he pans out. Not seeing the logic.
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First of all,”if” we lose Nnamdi to FA. When we lost CWood we looked to Nnamdi to step-up and fill his shoes. I myself think he did a pretty good job. He’s no CWood, but Nnamdi is a solid corner.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
If I had the disgusting power of our GM Big Al, here what I would offer Porter and Fargas:
JP-$4M SB, $3M/YR, 3YRS
JF-$3M SB, $2.5M/YR, 2YRS
Am I cheaper than Al himself?
February 8th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
2sense says:
so what you two are saying is to lose nnamdi to free agency and fill his position with who???????? draft another DB in the draft and hope he pans out. Not seeing the logic.
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First, it’s “if” we lose Nnamdi to FA. When we let CWood walk because we were a bad team with to many holes to be filled to pay one player 10mil per, we looked to Nnamdi to fill the void. I myself think Nnamdi did a pretty good. Nnamdi is no CWood, but he’s a solid corner. We should offer him a good sensible long term deal. Not give him 10mil per.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
any chance they might move howard to strong saftey i think his game suits it well
February 8th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
fast undersized linebacker or a beast of a strong saftey
February 8th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Raider Raul,
I like that idea. With a nice signing bonus like that we could possibly lower the per year number to around 7 or even 6. 7per would probably be more to his liking.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
JR,
Thomas Howard is a prototypical OLB, and personally my favorite Raider. I couldn’t see him dropping deep or covering a slot receiver. The ONLY thing I would change is maybe add 3-4 lbs of pure strength. I would add 4-6 lbs to Morrison. If Huff moves to FS, then no change.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
goons right in the fact that the pass defense numbers are solid no matter what way you look at ‘em. Opposing QB rating, yards, completion %, 3rd downs, that means they’re a good secondary, especially considering basically no pass rush, and you got a couple of inexperienced guys back there in Huff and Routt.
Let’s be honest tho, teams ran wild on us. But if you actually break down tape, you don’t see Ryan calling a prevent defense on 1st and 10, dropping everyone into deep coverage on every down, and teams running up the gut. What you see is 2 out of three downs Raiders getting blown off the ball.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Thomas Howard, and believe me I love the guy, needs to keep his assignments and work on his run defense techniques. He has been better than advertised against the pass, but worse than advertised against the run. That’s a real problem in the current AFC West. It seems with this new generation of players the light bulb goes off around the 3rd year. Hopefully that will happen with both Howard and Huff.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
The problem with signing Nnamdi to a long term deal is how much Clements is making for the whiners. We need to come close.
I hope Nnamdi realizes that if he chooses to stay in the Silver & Black, he could retire a Raider and leave a legacy. Well, at least that’s what I hope Big Al is telling him…
February 8th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
i think he’s gonna be way better than woodson. unless he gets hurt. don’t forget charles had a hall of famer over the top. maybe you’re right and nnamdi hasn’t been tested bc the run D is so horrible. but take a look at the variables.
nnamdi has stu over the top and zero pressure up front which forces him to cover more space for an even longer period of time.
name 5 better corners all variables considered. not tryin to be argumentative but i just can’t say he isn’t worth it.
reports say they missed the boat on a long term contract so tagging him is a must. if they don’t they won’t have the opportunity to match the offer.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
The Raiders have solid talent and speed at linebacker and the secondary. The Dline has got to disrupt runs before they start. They also need to put middle pressure on the QB in passing downs.(Without blitz help).
The Raiders did not do that last year which is one big reason we could not hold leads. We need to significantly upgrade at DT. Everyone else on defense will be better.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Woodson was a good run defender from the corner tho. He had no problem getting his face dirty. You like corners like that.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Charlie you are exactly right. I would seriously use my lst AND 2nd round pix on DL. I would try to work Gerard Warrens contract for multi years downward, and then basically I would have two studs, Sands and Warren as my tackles. Problem solved.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Bonuses are overrated – the government is gonna take half the cake for sure so if you get a 25K bonus all you’ll see hit the bank is 13K. Freakin’ ridiculous.
NA is a franchise corner – very little flaws – IF ANY – you sign him and keep building defense. No if ands or buts. Thats one side of the field the coaches do not have to worry about.
Burgess on the other hand has a huge flaw in his run defense. But its HARD findin’ a bona-fide pass rusher. He’s tradable ONLY if there’s a BETTER replacement. Otherwise, forget about it. A pass rush is gold in this league.
Why can’t you guys get it through your noggin? We don’t need McFadden. He’s really not THAT damn good. Even Mayock has downgraded him to 2ND BEST RB IN THE DRAFT! We were ranked 6th in the run last year. I just don’t get it. Where in that ranking does it say we need to draft a rb with the 1st pick? Did you all not see ANY games last year? Even the ‘greenest’ of fans can see this team needs defense.
February 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Nnamdi has to stay. Good players with good work habits are just too hard to come by. We need to wrap him up with a long contract and get him some help on D. PERIOD!
February 8th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
If I have to sit here and watch the flavor of the week RB run through this porous defense again next season I may just roll over and croak.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Nice to read through the expounded thoughts of the day. Some salient and provocative ideas from many in the Nation. I offer my gratitude for the read.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
And to paraphrase our host JM, tagging Nnamdi is something that does not require thinking about. Done.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
KK, is that really you????
February 8th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
what does skin color has to do with replacing someone?
February 8th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Sorry that ain’t kk just some effing loser trying to eff things up. eff you you gutless loser.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
KoolKell! =)
nope… I dont believe he could be a DT..
February 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
that ain’t Oakglen just some effing loser trying to eff things up.
IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!
eff you you gutless loser.
February 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
is it me, or is this message board getting confusing???
February 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Corey Williams…
get him!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
So I took the priviledge to see what Mayock saw as he ranked Mendenhall ahead of McFadden. I watched both of their highlights and I can say while McFadden may have greater talent Mendenhall may end up having a better pro career (based on his run style and the O he played in). That may be why he gave RM the nod. RM played in a more pro-style system than DM. But I’m not taking sides.
One thing I noticed this time for McFadden’s highlights is that that OLINE is bad-ass man. Holy smokes! On one play they had to have pushed the Dline like 5 yards back. DM is running through BIG TIME holes. Huge! Put him in space and he can take it to the house off of pure speed. Thats pretty much all he is – speed. Not much moves involved just speed. That was JFargas when he 1st came in the league. But that line man – I’m tellin you – they get the vast majority of the credit – major push – big time holes. Enough to drive a car through.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Nnamdi Asomugha
5yr career,77games,192tackles,2sacks,1forced fumble,9ints,1td
Charles Woodson
1st 5 yrs,72games,29tackles,2sacks.10forced fumbles,12ints,2td
Goon has a point but I still think Nnamdi is an elite corner………..Franchise him.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
C-wood had 295 tackles
February 8th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Goon does have a point stats wise, because prior to the 2006-07 season, I don’t think one person would’ve said Nnamdi was a good corner. He seemed to be slow and not very instinctive, but alot has changed in 2 years, he’s developed into”that dude” on our defense
February 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I feel a disturbance in the force !anyone who compares namdi with woodson doesn’t know football!namdi had a good year for us 06,remember that ? he wasnt a free agent then sucka!seems to me some in the nation would settle for a team that Struggles to score 21 pts. a game ? myself i’m like nascar’s jimmy johnson baby,high octane baby!let’s get jamarcus some suppa duppa weapons.@ running back and receiver! ‘al get it done son !we got money this year not that mr. davis needs help fidangelling the cap!i’m trying to tell everybody in the nation defensive players (playmakers)is easier to get than offensive play makers, ya heard ? another thing players make coaches, i wonder how ryan would do if he had better dt’s a true ss (it’s been a while since the raiders had one ! huff play7ed fs @ texas.we all know stu softer than wet toilet paper!the ‘d only need a couple of pieces(a dt(s) a ss, a mlb wit some girth ,put morrison outside wit howard,and a ss) can somebody say albert haynesworth? i gotta question it’s serious as cancer,think about then ya answer!many years we in the nation would say we need a quarterback. we had tim brown,ethan horton,couple of other receivers.we had some good backs, wheatly, kaufman, steve smith,but no quarterbakck . now we got the franchise and some of ya’ll don’t want him to have weapons around him ? what wrong wit having a star running back, and star receivers ? raider nation where ya at ?
February 8th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
LINDS…
I think you should take a lllllooooooooonnnnnggg look at your second sentence.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
LINDS,
If Offensive playmakers are easier to get then why do corners, D-ends,and linbackers command 3 of top 4 in value(Franchise tag)
$ 10.7 Quarterback
$ 9.5 Cornerback
$ 8.8 Defensive end
$ 8.1 Linebacker
$ 7.8 Wide receiver
$ 7.5 Offensive line
$ 6.5 Running back
$ 6.3 Defensive tackle
$ 4.5 Tight end
$ 4.4 Safety
$ 2.5 Kicker
February 8th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
whats cracking Nation?!
I was on KNBR morning drive this morning defending my Natioin.
To whomever said a great DL makes for a great secondary, its the other way around.
In ‘98 we had the NFL’s 3rd ranked D our secondary was….
CB:E.Allen
CB:C.Woodson
SS:A.Lewis
FS:E.Tuurner
Can you remember our DL?….Exactly
With the man to man scheme DB’s should be first priority…. but I agree we have no DT’s.
Why havnt the Raiders turned Madsen to a receiver?? Its mind bottling (blades of glory).
I’m by far the smartest and most clever blogger in here….2 years strong.
Bloggers I’ve retired…..
Art Shells hat
Buttholepreist
Who else wants some?
I’m glad someone pointed out McFadden can pass also, perfect for the red zone offense…. but dont start having wet dreams yet…McFadden will be gone by the 2nd pick due to the performences of R.Bush and A.Peterson the last 2 years (I know Bush choked his 2nd year).
Phillips from MIA is a stud….
So is Ellis from USC….
G,Warren has one good play a game, did we really give up a 5th rounder for that lard bucket?
I love Jay Richardson…. his PASSION BUCKET is full.
Ya’ll have an hour to chime in before I’m off to Tahoe.
Like my left foot during the hoky poky dance…….
I’m in (funny)
February 8th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Let’s look at the stats between Aso and Woodson a little differently than the first five years of their careers. Plus considering Aso pretty much alternated between corner and safety the first two years and only started 8 total games, it puts what we are getting now (today) from him in better perspective.
So let’s look at the last three years before we franchised Woodson the first time and these last three years for Aso since we are probably going to franchise him.
Woodson (39 games started) 2002-2004
160 tackles(131 solo) 3 sacks, 6 ff, 16 PDef,5 ints,0TD
Asomugha (46 games started) 2005-2007
145 tackles(135 solo) 1 sack, 1 ff, 32 PDef, 9 ints,1TD
So tell me, is Aso worth the money or not? With the contract the Whiners gave Clements, I don’t see any other way we keep Aso without giving him big money.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Just read on BSPN.com that Nnamdi was just called to be a replacement at the Pro Bowl, but couldn’t catch a flight in time. I feel bad for him man, that sure sucks. Here’s the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2761195
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
To Once upon a Lime:
Thats because QB’s and CB’s are the most valuable positions in the NFL.
Good job on those numbers….
Your PASSION BUCKET is full.
Like Chris Moneymaker…. I’m (all) in. (good 1)
February 8th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
great link wolverine, for those who don’t think Nnamdi is worth the $$$ just read that
February 8th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Wolverine,
He is worth the money,Look at RJV78s post.A great secondary makes a great D-line.
Behind a QB a corner is the hardest pos to fill with quality. It would make no sense to train him and let him get away.
If we take one of those top Defensive guys and keep Nnamdi this D will improve leaps and bounds.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
once upon a time your’e right … but look here. every body talkiing about taking ellis or a dt. wit our #1 pick. question ? would you pay fargas 4 to 5 mill a year when he’s injury prone ? (don’t git me wrong i love fargas) but he’s been wit us for a minute!why not and i ask you,why not bring a young horse like dmc, him and bush looks pretty solid ! oh yeah to answer your question….. we don’t need a corner,we don’t need a de,we could use a big mlb.put morrison outside,let him and howard shut it down!(outside runs and the pass)but…. we can’t hyave everything fall on jamarcus shoulders ! it wouldnt be right . you asked me a question but didn’t answer mine ! would you settle to see our silver and black struggling to score 21pts. a game. for the most part our ‘d kept us in ball games we couldn’t SCORE !!!!! only 2 or 3 out of 16 games we got blown out ! hmmmm? history lesson.. in the 90’s dallas took aikman, then they took, smith, then they took irvin, the won two super bowls !lets build around jamarcus! then watch the ‘ franchise lead us to glory!!……
‘THE GREATNESS OF DA RAIDAHS IS IN IT’s FUTCHA…….
February 8th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Raiderwill…. have you not been paying attention?!?!?! The best way the man to man scheme we run works is having 2 top notch corners!! Why in the world would you let go of our best defensive player?!
Do me a favor and put some babypowder on your hand and slap yourself acroos the face!!
C.woodson was good his first 2 years then he start partying more than he practiced, so dont compare the 2.
Like 50cent…. I’m in (da club)
February 8th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Wolverine,
I hate to be Jonny Raincloud but that link is from FEB 10th 2007.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Last years link bro…
February 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Oh man I didn’t realize that link was from last year. I never heard the story last year at all. Sorry about that guys. Thanks for pointing it out Once Upon as I really had no idea.
And just so there’s no mistake, I was being sarcastic about is the “is he worth the money” question above. I’ve been defending Aso on this thread all day long.
Go Raiders.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
rjv78
when o when did i say let Nnamdi go? learn to read and slap yourself in the process please
February 8th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
raiderwill1980 Says:
February 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
great point fender. extensions should be in order for nnamdi, followed by morrison and howard in subsequent years. those are the types of guys you reward, and let the rest of the team know”you up, work hard, improve your game and be a team player, we will do what it takes to keep you and build around you”
and this has been my theme all day
February 8th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
LINDS,
Yes Dallas took Aikman but lets not forget about,
The Defense, Jim Jeffcoat Ken Norton, Ed Too Tall Jones,Eugene Lockhart, Bill Bates,Jack Del Rio and Everson Walls.Just to name a few.
It all starts with the D .Just ask the Giants after the Ravens got through with them in the Super Bowl.
And to answer your question, No I would not pay Fargas 4 to 5 mill a year
February 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
signing off, i’ll catch you guys later
February 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Once upon a time… wow, thanks for pointing that out. I couldn’t believe it would have happened to him two years in a row. If it were true he’d deserve a spot next year just for that.
I think it’s impossible to compare Woodson and Nnamdi, especially statistically. Two different defenses, and teams, altogether. CWood did get lazy his last couple of years here, though. Did a lot more grabbing than covering in my opinion. I don’t watch much NFC but one thing I noticed watching Green Bay this year is that he still has the skills, and is a dangerous man out there. Not afraid to tackle anyone, either. Seems like a good change of scenery for him.
February 8th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Raider from birth,
Having watched Green Bay what do you think about us signing Atari Bigby, safety, restricted free agent.(only if they dont put a high tender on him)
February 8th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
once upon a yime… are you kidding me too tall jones,emrerson walls… wrong decade brotha! do you remember grady jackson, lero’i glover, rod coleman?5th round picks who played in the pro bowl!you sound like a guy who settles for mediocre!i go back to #1 in 81 baby ! the silver and black attack baby! you probaby liked dan pastorini,for the snake.come on man…i’m gonna call you coach mike white! isaw the snake play i was real young ! anyway free agency and from the 4th round on defense baby! WE NEED PLAY MAKERS PERIOD !
this is the rukas!…..
February 8th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
LINDS,
You are missing the point,What I am saying a great team starts with the Defense.Dallas had good defensive players,a foundation.
Pastorini, White,are you kidding me.If you have read my past posts I have preached PLAYMAKERS .
By the way Michael Irvin was drafted in 1988 before Aikman in 1989 and all the players I listed were on Dallas in 1989.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Considering Nnamdi was thrown at less than 10% of the time out of 439 passes, that’s a shutdown corner and game plan for me.
I’m fine with paying him big money to stay and man our DB position for years.
In two years, we’ll look at his salary and not think it’s a big deal as there’ll be several DB’s making more than him.
All I care is we get a DT who is motivated every play and can help us stop the run. All we need is one solid DT to help motivate Warren & Kelly and a couple of backups to provide depth.
February 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
corey williams…
we want him!!!
February 8th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
I rhink it was number 182 that mentioned madden lol i have the 08 versin for pc dont own the xbox 360 ext. Anyway in my opinion at least in the pc version kiff looks like Bill Cower’s little brother. lol:)
somebody else early in the blog menetiond DB for CJ give me a break like the Bengals are going to go for that you want to play arm chair GM guys come up with trades that could happen in the real worl not fantasy land.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
FL Pete,
So do I, Later dudes
February 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
KoolKell is always with us
February 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Jeremy, where ya been brutha? I’m thinking about changing my name to represent the cause.
Unknown Soldier of the KKA
February 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Looks in print doesn’t it?
Mosh Pit you out there? crazy sunnava b
February 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Even if we franchise Nnamdi, we could still afford Corey Williams and three other starters like RT Barry Foster (who would be a better LT than Sims if necessary), WR Bernard Berrian, & SS Atari Bigby.
Those 4 players combined with our draft picks could really help add some wins next season.
February 8th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
once upon a yime, a defense like the ravens who beat us in the championship thats once in a life time !(even though gruden’s game plan sucked,run on first down,2nd down through three qrts.)look though we got de’s we got linebackers,we got corners,ihaven’t gave up on fabian,i think stanford routt is coming around,reminds me of namdi’s first couple of years.we need a ss even you would admit we ain’t had that since probably ‘lott, heck derric hoskins played better at that position!we need a dt. we need a ss. two words “free agency” we got the next arm of elway,who’s he gonna throw deep to?why not have a back who is a game breaker (been a while)who’s gonna protect his blind side?remember the charger game in the end zone?we were once an intimidating franchise that no one and there mama respects.we use to have weapons and leave defenses guessing! we use to put fear in the league !i would take a good defense and a high powered offense over a dominating defense and offense that struggle to put points on the board !then everybody will say russell a bust,yet it wouldn’t be his fault! people say we’re rebuliding but we’re not that far away!russel has the potential to do some great things NOW ! i think mr.davis is willing to spend and do what it takes to bring us back to the GREATNESS we once were!how many close games we lose last year because we couldn’t score pts.? hmmmm,
what’s da rukas
February 8th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
great mosh. glad you’re here. give me your spunk. i’d drink dog spunk right now.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Testing testing 1 2
February 8th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Finally someone mentioned that CJ is not the only WR in Free Agency this year. Plus Bigby is great. Samuel is not worth the money it cost to print his contract.Especially in man-to-man.Asomughua is the only option.there is no better corner in the league.With Ellis in the first round, and a couple of good trades.Porter is a FA also, Tyrone Kelly who is injured as well.If the Raiders don’t tag Nnamdi they need to pay him.Don’t let him leave.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:43 am
To big Al’s Goon:
Nnamdi is the typeof player whom dissuades the opposition from even venturing onto his portion of the field, thus eliminating the space required to defend.
Now, who else achieved that lofty distinction? One Deion Sanders, berift of asomugha’s tackling skills.
Thrown @ 28 total times last year. That’s known in all football quarters as respect.
I believe I read the breakdown in2006 (with 8int.’s) to 2007 (only 1 pick). If the Raiders had won seven games last year Nnamdi would have garnered Pro Bowl status. I guess you don’t get many Raider games.
Pay the man! He leads by example, thus perhaps Routt, whom already is logging extra practice time, and Fabian can see their way to committing more of their time to hone their skills. Could result into a big payday. Nice dilemna to face.
late
antispy3
February 9th, 2008 at 5:23 am
Nice post Antispy. My perspective is that since Nnamdi Asomugha mans his position as well as perhaps a half dozen people on the entire planet it would make sense to allow him his payday with the Raiders.
Read something I was unaware of yesterday. 1/4 of the NFC pro bowl squad is made up of cowgirls. 1/4!?!? I rarely pay attention to that fashion show in Honolulu unless there are Raiders involved, but my God, That is simply disgusting about the cowgirls.
Just read on Yahoo where NE Pewk fans are petitioning that they were jobbed by the refs in the SB. Now that is hyper screwed up.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:41 am
very nice guys! you made one of the best football blogs to you own sandbox and ruined it for all of us, very nice! job well done!
February 9th, 2008 at 5:49 am
LMN, I wasn’t around for the crap last night. Very glad of that. WTF were those juveniles up to? Hopefully a mod will deal with it.
Looks like “85″ is not doing himself or anyone else any favors over in Honolulu.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:55 am
chad johnson is rapidly putting himself in a hole so deep that he may not be able to climb out without having some serious problems…
he’s escalating the situation very rapidly…
that kid needs to tone it down…
i’m starting to think we don’t want him…
February 9th, 2008 at 5:59 am
it’s one thing to put yourself in a position where you can no longer play for your team…
it’s quite another to display a demeanor that will make other teams have second thoughts about whether they would want you on their squad…
the cute interviews he did were fun and games…
getting physically hostile towards league officials, reporters is a different story altogether…
he also has other court cases pending which speak to his ethics…
we probably should look elsewhere for a top WR…
February 9th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Agreed Florida Pete. The displayed attitude is something exactly contrary to what our young franchise QB needs to deal with.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 am
M…
yeah i went to bed early so when i got out bed this morning i could see what they’ve been doing. It’s sad!
February 9th, 2008 at 6:27 am
I’ve been looking at WR’s available later in the draft…
Adarius Bowman of Oklahoma State and Adrian Arrington from Michigan, looks good, what do you guys know about them. Do you think one of them will be there in 4th?
February 9th, 2008 at 6:34 am
you know…
at the risk of sounding like Al Davis…
having one guy (who can actually catch it) who is fast, really fast, alternating with Higgins every other play…
burning it down the field… (yes, James Jett w/hands)… so maybe a low round pick for speed… and the ability to jump and get the ball…
somebody like Moss, or TO… but not moss or TO…
we ought to be able to find somebody like that in the late rounds… or undrafted maybe…
doesn’t have to be smart…
just needs to know one pattern… and can catch…
February 9th, 2008 at 6:37 am
LMN, I don’t watch much NCAA games so I can’t really say. I usually begin to pay attention when the combine info starts to filter out. Perhaps a knowledgable sort will respond to your query.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:40 am
HEY FREEZIE , SHAWN 81 U GUYS ARE ALRITE!!!
hers the deal morrison moved to mlbr is about 7 years to early , more of atestament to how f’n STUPID! our def cord ” THE ROBRYAN” IS!!!
the guy we needed was TROTTER!(or a rugged vet run guy) hes’ probably got 1 more year if??he will play just vs run,kirk then goes to solb over the te very down,and also used as a weapon as a every down lbr!
morrsions’ real talent is his text book aproach to game and every down versatilty!!we see this! why doesnt that douchebag ryan ???cause he is a SICK F!!K
and then howard is now free to, #1 BLITZ vs run&pass,#2 fly to ball, this makes howard a 140tackle,10+sack,50qbhit player @ olbr/weapon every year!! williams is not a lbr’ he is a pass rushr goin to waste till now! he needs to be @ wde 6-5-260 4.5/40.
GETTING 7+SACKS A YEAR!!!
THEN we go get a vet or draft a TRUE IMPACT OLBR!LIKE A HOWARD AND NOW BRING ON THE REST OF THE NFL!!!READY TO KILL!! “JUST KILL BABY”!!!!
now wHat makes this work is ryan banished to bowels of the earth!first . then moving burgess to natural spot @ wde, ( good for 12+sacks year) and we now finally improve the run def ovrnite w/ existing talent!! rotate brayton,kelly,sands,warren at both S.D.E /W.D.T./,S.D.T !!the lone additon there needs to be depth vs run to go with warren @sdt&wdt!
i’ll call it now if we used this in 07 we would have a TOP 5 DEFENSE! “ITS THAT SIMPLE “”
THIS ALL FALLS ON RYAN-KIFFIN ! WHY ARENT THEY IMPROVING THIS TEAM WEITH THE TALENT WE HAVE!!WE HAVE ,MORE OF A INVESTMENT THRU DRAFT&FA TO OUR DEFENSE, THEN PITTSBURGH & RAVENS!! REALLY GO LOOK WE GOT 13-OUT OF 18 STARTERS ON DEFENSE THIS IS MORE THEN THE OTHER TOP DEFS’ WHY ARENT WE TOP 3 !!! COACHING COACHING COACHING !!!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 7:52 am
we do need improvement up the middle…
what we have right now is a very fast defensive team…
but not good against a run between the tackles…
we need a big run-stuffing defensive tackle…
we need a big linebacker in the middle…
we need a tooth loosening, heavy hitting safety…
THAT’S what we need…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:01 am
And Pete we need a WR, LT and center but theres only 1 draft per year and we dont have a 3rd rounder so we are 1 more draft from getting where Kiffin wants….unless we go banannas in FA.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:22 am
A little bored this morning after the “RUKAS” last night,so I did a little research who really does the best job in a mock draft. Notice no Kiper or McShay
3 YEAR AVERAGES 2007 2006 2005
1 Rick Gosselin – Dallas Morning News 52.33 53 57 47
2 Clark Judge – CBS Sportsline 48.67 55 54 37
3 Nolan Nawrocki – Pro Football Weekly 48.33 45 57 43
4 Rob McCartney – Rob’s Scouting 46.67 45 46 49
5 Pete Prisco – CBS Sportsline 46.33 47 46 46
6 Jay Glazer – Fox Sports 45.67 52 40 45
7 Mike McCollom – Football.com 45.67 44 46 47
8 John Clifford – Draft Board Insider 44.67 51 44 39
9 DJ Boyer – Draft Stock 44.67 45 36 53
10 Harry Aitkens -
February 9th, 2008 at 8:24 am
that is exactly the spots that need help
we have plenty of money to go amok in th FA…
I hope we targeting a LT, SS and hopefully a real ILB in the FA…
In the draft i hope its DT/DE, ILB and WR
February 9th, 2008 at 8:27 am
yo…
just so you know it…your nick has a Y in time…
uh and btw, WHAT! what and how should i understand those numbers!?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am
–”Texas A&M defensive coordinator Reggie Herring will be named Cowboys’ linebackers coach.
Herring will fill the final spot on the Cowboys’ coaching staff. He has spent two years in the NFL as Houston’s linebackers coach where he worked with Cowboys defensive coordinator Brian Stewart.
Feb. 9 – 10:41 a.m. ET–”
February 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am
they say we got $26 mil. subtractthe 9.6 namdi’s gonna get (tagged)that still 14plus million! if the titans don’t tag hanynesworth,thats my man he’s a beast just ask jeremy newberry. he’s a straightup beast who plugs the midddle! we never been under the cap like this in years! i see mr.davis finding a ss and a desent Lt. someone better than sims anyway . with the 3rd pick in the nfl draft the oakland raiders select Darius mcfadden university arkansas…..
that’s my senario…. if i was president of the general managing partner!
da rukas’
February 9th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Thanx La Milicia Negra,I dont know why it didnt go but here is the exp.
1 point for each player correctly placed in round. 2 points for players matched to correct teams that pick them
February 9th, 2008 at 8:37 am
dear rukas…
1)they will tag him… 2)who do you want to be in the middle when heynesworth sits out with an injury….look how many season he has played 16 games… 3) he will be more lazy than Alexander when he got his paycheck
February 9th, 2008 at 8:39 am
OUATITW…
Rick Gosselin, Pete Prisco, Jay Glazer has been the guys i mostly use
February 9th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Btw… there is a reason for why we have so much capspace… We are finally out of the dead-money we owed players, because of Bruce Allen and Gruden’s fondness of old players. Bruce was an architect to get below the cap, but the result was we were each following year in more cap-pressure…
This is Amy Trask and Kiffins doings. Yeah how can Kiffin have such an effect when he
s been tehre for just one year you ask…Sims and Brayton are the only oldtimers to survive from Allen/Gruden days…
And people here miss Allen!!? Allen leaving was the best thing that happened to the raiders since they returned to Oakland.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:48 am
LMN: Adrian Arrington has great hands, but from what I’ve read his speed is “slow” for a WR with his best possible being 4.5 fourty. However, could be an Anquan Boldin?
Check his youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RgOZSbuVa8
I do not much about Bowman but I’ve heard there are red flags about him, plus every WR to come out of OSU whether it’s RaShaun Woods (similarily built) or others, they can’t succeed in the NFL for some reason.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:50 am
ok my point being we can find a good starting DT. in free agency.. ya heard
February 9th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Corey Williams would be my bet if we sign a name FA.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:53 am
building through the draft really is the best way to build a really good team… which means depth, by the way…
it also means no wasted picks… it really is not necessary that a draft pick be a starter his first year… just a contributor…
when you have your core team, plus depth, that’s when you go for broke… with no more than just a couple of top notch free agents with short contracts (read: mercenary) to get you deep deep deep into the playoffs…
just thinkin’…
also, avoid any free agent that just had one of his best years… it means he only plays when there’s money on it… and that you cannot count on him to play hard for pride…
that’s what i want… players who play for pride…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:54 am
DSM Raider…
Cool! we need a fast WR. But i like the WR that just run a short route, stand in double coverage and just jump and fights for the ball – AND GETS IT!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:56 am
yeah….
Corey Williams…
young and a get after it DT…
good against the run and a damn good pass rusher…
we want him!!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:59 am
a DT in FA wouldn’t hurt, but i would prefer a SS. We need a SS and we have been draffting them in ages and never found the right one. Thats why i rant about getting one in FA, get one we know what he can do. Mike Doss has been hurt this year but that means he is fresh in 08 =)
Atari Bigby will be a nice pick, but i don’t believe we can get him away from GB. Lastly Gebril Wilson formNYG, Al Davis usually gets one player from the SB winners, so why not him? only one bad thing about him, his shoulder went out of his socket in the NFC game, but he still played a great SB
February 9th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Even Sammy Knight would i welcome, some here on this block said he was to slow. But he is the hardest hitter in the game. He cant be that slow he was the one of the guys with most TACKLES in the season… Tackling is what a safety should do…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I’m bored…perhaps i should watch the SeniorBowl again
February 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Regarding free agency… NO OLD GUYS!!! We have a young, developing team and the last thing we need is guys that we’ll have to replace when this thing starts to come together…
Fill the holes we have with draft picks and younger free agents. Then, when we’ve got pretty much the team we want, we start drafting to replace the starters BEFORE they can’t play any more. It’s called staying ahead of the curve. More difficult to do now than before because of the salary cap, but the best way to keep the team on the winning side of things for a longer period of time.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Jerry do we have to hit a thousand again for you to write something new?
February 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Once upon a time… sorry I missed your question last night; went to bed after posting. To answer, I don’t know much about Bigby. Hadn’t heard anything about him before this year, so hard to know if this past season was indicative of the type of player he is or not.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we were looking at him, though, as well as others with similar skillsets. We just have to do something at SS before Huff gets himself killed.
Free agents I do like: Max Starks from the Steelers; lost his job there so may be affordable (and losing your job as an O-lineman with the Steelers is hardly a red flag), and he played a lot of left tackle. I can’t see a rookie stepping into that position right now, nor can I see us drafting one this year that could be better than Starks, who’s only 28.
Corey Williams, Jacksonville; obviously. Besides, Florida Pete likes him and I think Pete’s a pretty good guy.
Haynesworth scares me a little for some reason. If I had to choose between him and Williams I’d pick Williams.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am
RaiderFromBirth…
What are you talking about?? Corey Williams isn’t playing for JAX….
Henderson is, and he is worse than Heynesworth. Stroud would I welcome
February 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Nnamdi is good but it took 3 years for him to develop, he’s only had 1 productive season when it comes to interceptions, we should let him test the free agent market and get 2 1st rounders for him , Washington and Rout are getting better every year!
February 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am
ChargersChoked…
See post #448
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/02/07/tagging-nnamdi-a-no-brainer/#comment-113663
February 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am
With other words…
we need to keep him. year he took 3 years to be what he is, but why the H would throw that out, why let us develop a good player and let other teams ripe what we have made
February 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am
ChargerChoked,
The only way to get 2 first rounders for him would be to franchise him.Good Corners are blue chip players you do not let them get away. Look at my post #453, that shows you how high a value is placed on a Franchise Corner.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Why would anyone wanna let Nnamdi go?…when you get a top rated player you pay market value and that´s it.
Name 5 CB´s that are better…no, name 3…
I forgot the actual numbers but comparing Champ Bailey to Nnamdi….
Champ was thrown at over 70 times for close to 40 completions.
Nnamdi was thrown at around 30 times for something like 12 completions.
Those figures were mentioned during games that´s why I don´t remember exactly and why I can´t give you a source.
Say what you want but whoever is matched up with Nnamdi becomes 1 man less you have to worry on Defense, at least 90% of the time and that´s worth a bunch of money.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:30 am
i’m just sick of saying “next year” “we’ll get em next year”…. i wish we could get chris long but it doesnt sound like thats gonna happen, darren McFadden would be good too… but if we could move up a spot we could grab chris… how great would that be??? howie’s son playing for the silver and black.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:31 am
DSM Raider Says:
February 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Even if we franchise Nnamdi, we could still afford Corey Williams and three other starters like RT Barry Foster (who would be a better LT than Sims if necessary), WR Bernard Berrian, & SS Atari Bigby.
Those 4 players combined with our draft picks could really help add some wins next season
_____________________________________
Damn good post bro! That’s one of the most realistic and beneficial FA scenarios I’ve seen here in a while.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:36 am
You guys are right but if we can find him in the draft we can find others too, we had him the past two seasons and still no winning records , I’m looking at it from the business side, Routt should break out next year, we find another 6′2 stud corner in the draft and we save money for other parts of the defense and offense.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Chargers Choked…but it took Nnamdi serveral seasons to emerge as a viable starter. Don’t you wanna win now?
February 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am
i dont think we can win yet… maybe .500…. but no playoffs yet
February 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
ChargerChoked,
Look im just as frustrated as you about the record,But cmon bro.We cant stop the run.Please tell me you dont want a corner with our 1st pick.We need Dorsey,Long, or Ellis.We need another D-lineman or Wideout with our 2nd round pick.
So we are going to let our best player go and go back to square one.cmon man.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
http://www.packers.com/team/players/williams_corey/
we can get this guy!!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 10:46 am
as much money as a no 3 or 4 pick costs…
we would be insane to let Nambdi go to take a chance on a corner in the draft…
INSANE i tell you!!!!
I—-N—-S—-A—-N—-E
inthanity!!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am
what??? you guys dont like mcFadden???? he’s a beast… i dont think we can get long.. but, mcfadden….
February 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Florida Pete..then tell your buddy Al to get rolling, pal !
February 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
I’d love to pick up Corey Williams and then draft Chris Long!!!!!! yeaaaaaaaah baby …get it done Big Al….
February 9th, 2008 at 10:52 am
al aint gettin nuttin rollin but his wheelchair lol… j/k.. i love him,, he is old though lol
February 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Dameyun….it sounded like Kiffin’s head was about to roll…….by the way, where are the rumours now? The Raiders issue thin denials of the media’s claims and they just shut up after opening a HUGE can of worms??
What a bunch of spineless and incompentent media goons.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
my 3 year old, Matthew (he insisted that i mention him) just told me:
“daddy, there’s water coming from your mouf…”
yeah, the thought of Long, Williams, Burgess, and anyone else makes me drool…
February 9th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Ol’ Pete…don’t forget that G. Warren showed signs of power before he got hurt and then turned it on big time when he was healthy against the Colts. He was actually dominating in that game.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Let’s face it guys, we are drafting Chris Long if he’s there when we pick. And that is an AL move. I bet Kiffin would rather draft Ellis or Dorsey. But because Ellis will more than likely be gone, Kiffin will go for the AL choice. Which is not a bad choice, but my point is that the decision has pretty much been made.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Corey Williams has been mentioned for a while now and during the season I thought he could be a solid pickup, but now that he´s likely gonna be the top rated DT in the market it becomes a money issue.
Also, he played on a very talented line, Kampman and Cullen Jenkins outside, Ryan Pickett inside and KGB on third downs as well as a couple of other decent rotation guys including 1st rounder Justin Harrell…..We would likely have to outbid about 15 other teams for the guy, if he becomes a 20 million player…can he be the man for us?.
I would rather adress the DT with Ellis or Dorsey, that’s around 20 million right there according to what Gaines Adams (4th pick last year) received in guaranteed money last year, with another 26 million or so in conditional money.
Add to that, the cost of resigning Tommy Kelly and that’s another 10 to 16 million.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:03 am
El Pres…if we get Corey Williams then Chris Long is a great choice for us.
Now that Pete has convinced me to jump on the Corey bandwaggon, I’m going to be very pissed if we don’t get him.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Al has a dilemma McF or Long…
Kiffen’s dillemma Ellis or Dorsey
We end up taking Long, Kiffin and Al starts the new season on good terms…
TREVOR LAWS in 2nd round Pleeeeeeease
February 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am
10 to 16 considering he´s injured and a comparable player like Cullen Jenkins got 16/4 last year.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am
What if we happened to trade Asomu and get the two first round picks for him. One this year and one next. Then we can trade one of the ones for this year, for some good players and maybe a 3r dounder I bet…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Marley…you’re a major buzz-killer man!
You’re also right. Al doesn’t even sign FA’s in the prime of their career or on the way up. He takes them at the end when they have 1-3 years left.
R.Lott
J. Rice
R. Craig
E. Dickerson
R. Woodson
J. Ball
R. Maryland
W. Sapp
Pete…no Corey Williams.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am
i thought haynesworth was the top rated DT…
by the way, is there a link to a chart of some kind with all the RFAs and UFA’s???
i was hoping Corey Williams was flying under the radar…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:10 am
3rd rounder…sorry… I am the president… lol
February 9th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Pete > Haynesworth IS numero uno, but he’ll get franchised! No dice there.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am
if we’re going to trade a player it should be Burgess. We NEED asomugha and we NEED another corner, I don’t believe in washington until 2009, Routt is better than Washington, but still not good enough. The QB’s has to fear both starting CB’s
February 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I like the thought of getting 2 DL with the first 2 picks, any combination of Ellis, Long, Dorsey, Laws, Sims, Balmer, Merling and Jackson or someone else who stands out would be great IMO.
We can use the 4th rounder, which is gonna be about the 100th pick to take the best availabe guy at any position, a good WR will likely be there.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:16 am
LMN sorry to be a devil’s advocate, but our D-line already sucks. Why give up our best passrusher? What should we get in return? I’d take Cinco Ocho but don’t think that will happen for just Burgess.
I am putting my faith in Routt 100% with Fabian as a nickelback and Routt moving in to cover the flanker in 3 receiver sets.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Marley…do you have faith in Richardson as an everydown DE?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Pete…
I have had trouble finding an official FA list, so I have been looking at this one…seems good enough:
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php
February 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am
or a two headed monster with JRich and CClem?
February 9th, 2008 at 11:19 am
wait… wait… wait…
he doesn’t just sign future HOF geezers…
he’ll trade or pick up young studs as well…
danny clark, derrick burgess are recent examples…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Fl Pete here is the list if the mod lets it post
This is the list of the Notable 2008 UFA free agents. Who do you think your team should sign and why?
Quarterbacks:
Josh McCown
Kyle Boller
Seneca Wallace
Rex Grossman
Runningbacks:
Mike Alstott
Chris Brown
Justin Fargas
Jamal Lewis
Vernand Morency
Mewelde Moore
Lorenzo Neal
Tony Richardson
Fred Taylor
Micheal turner
Derrick Ward
Wide Recievers:
Bernard Berrian
Patrick Crayton
Kerry Colbert
Terrance Copper
Andre Davis
DJ Hacket
Keenen McCardell
Bryant Johnson
Eric Moulds
Brandon Stokley
Tight Ends:
Chris Cooley
Eric Johnson
LJ Smith
Ben Troupe
Jermaine Wiggens
Aaron Walker
Place Kickers:
David Akers
Josh Brown
Jason Elam
Rob Bironas
Punters:
Mike Scifres
Todd Sauerbrun
Offensive Line:
Alan Feneca
Ruben Brown
Floyd Womack
Todd Stueisse
Chris Kemoeatu
Max Starks
Mike Rosenthal
Defensive Line:
Jared Allen
Tommy Kelly
Damione Lewis
Simeon Rice
Mike Rucker
Terrel Suggs
Craig Terril
Pat Williams
Rodney Bailey
Linebackers:
Boss Bailey
Micheal Boley
Brandon Chillar
Chris Claibourne
Karlos Dansby
Lemar Marshall
Mark Simoneu
Mike Vrabel
Tedy Bruschi
Sam Williams
Mario Haggen
Na’il Diggs
Defensive Backs
Dre Bly
CC Brown
Deke Cooper
Chris Crocker
Glenn Earl
Nick Ferguson
Dominique Foxworth
Quentin Jammer
BJ Sams
Charles Tillman
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February 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I can’t wait for FA to begin to see who sign so most of this speculation on who we’ll sign is over.
I would love a motivated DT regardless of cost who could provide leadership to Kelly & Warren. Our D is really two players away from being pretty solid. A DT and SS. Get these two pieces and Robert Thomas can be adequate at OLB and Routte would be fine opposite Nnamdi. We provide an actual pass rush and the rest of the D will take care of everything else.
As for O, we need a LT, C, WR, and RB and depth along the O line.
Writing this makes me think of the Peyton Manning commercial where he says there’s plenty to look forward to after the football season and can’t think of anything.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
bob marley…
thanks!!! big time…
okay… so my man Williams is NOT flying under the radar…
shit…
i thought i was the only one who knew about him…
good thing we’re the only team in the league who needs one!!!
hemmmmm…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
I read in one of those articles about C. Williams, the Packers would be willing to let him go because they have much talent already on the “D” Line.
If we got C.Long and C.Williams man! All we need is a SS in Tom Zbikowski in 4th rnd.
WR, OL in 2nd we would be sitting straight. Even better if we got Berrian also in FA.
We grab a second round OL in Sam Baker.
AFK! gotta go explode!
February 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am
President…
Say we get 2 first rounders for Nnamdi, are they gonna become a top 5 player at their position?. Picks are a gamble, Nnamdi is a sure thing, why trade quality for quantity and or hope?..I think.
Copenahgen..
I have faith in Richardson as an above average DL for years to come, few DE´s are 6′6” 280 and move well nowadays, I think he gives us a lot of options down the road.
I keep picturing Richardson and Kelly starting at end, thats 6′6” 280 and 6′6” 300 bookends who can hold their ground and move, with Burgess and Clemons as pass rushing specialists on 3rd down where Kelly moves inside alongside starter Ellis/Dorsey. The second starting DT to be named later….
It´s still in the works, my scenario, but that´s where it´s at right now.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/18870
February 9th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Wesley Britt, OL, from the Patriots… they do a good job scouting, and this kid can’t crack the lineup… he’s real young… for minimal money we can try him out… (maybe)
Danny Clark, for cheap… he always played well for us…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Why is my comment awaiting moderation?…come on, I never use foul languaje…well, in here anyways.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am
#562…I´m trying to have a conversation here, jeez.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Typical “Al Bundy Davis” handling of a draft prospect.
Bundy sends his scouts out of the office to scout…
Bundy calls in one of the Greatest of all time Raiders [the one that tossed the pic of him and Bundy out his window 4 story's up, when he was told by "Bundy" he was keeping Coach R]….. Well Bundy is hot on this kid “Langford” out of Hampton.
Bundy is going behind the Faider scouting department. The Greatest told Bundy the kid is fast, but stands to upright when he gets tired and gets blow-en off the D/line. Bundy told The Greatest, that Coach R. will work on his technique………….
The Greatest told me “Bundy will get him and he will be a bust” !!
Just Sell Baby………..and so it is !!
February 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am
President…
Say we get 2 first rounders for Nnamdi, are they gonna become a top 5 player at their position?. Picks are a gamble, Nnamdi is a sure thing, why trade quality for quantity and or hope?..I think.
Copenahgen..
I have faith in Richardson as an above average DL for years to come, few DE´s are 6′6” 280 and move well nowadays, I think he gives us a lot of options down the road.
I keep picturing Richardson and Kelly starting at end, thats 6′6” 280 and 6′6” 300 bookends who can hold their ground and move, with Burgess and Clemons as pass rushing specialists on 3rd down where Kelly moves inside alongside starter Ellis/Dorsey. The second starting DT to be named later….
It´s still in the works, my scenario, but that´s where it´s at right now.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am
just piss off…
February 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am
One FA I would like to get a look at is 49ers OT Kwame Harris, 6′7” 306, 2003 first rounder atlethic, agile..played RT couldn´t make the move to LT and was benched last year, maybe he fits our scheme better.
February 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
marley…
there ya go…
February 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Stanford guy, Kiffin may remember him.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=31280
here’s Wesley Britt
February 9th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
the following is from a 49er message board regarding Kwame Harris:
49erfaith112105-01-2006, 07:25 PM
He is seriously a hazartd to any and every QB. He sucks at OT, and sucks at Football. He is undersized, weak, and doesnt understand whjat the hella False Start Penalty is. Kawame Harriss seriously accounted for like 3-5 TDs that were brought back last year cuz he cant play T. He is the largest bust after stokes and Carmazzi, that I can rmeber and shouldnt have been selected in the first round anyway. Last season, the only thing I didnt agree with nolan on was the amaount of playing time that Harris got. I undersatand Jennings was injured, but Adam Snyder was doing fabulous out there. He was mean, rough, and at times he defended his QB. This what you look for in a Oline. I agree, that towards the end of the year, our Oline played more together and were great out there, but that was because Harris want playing. This guy needs to be cut, and if he someohw finds a way to start over either Allen Jennings or Snyder, then something is really wrong with the staff. Kwame Harris needs to quit football. He is a disrespect to the 49ers and the NFL. Your take on this loser? Any other players you cant our couldnt stand?
February 9th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
look we dont have to spend much on def tackles! we dont a ” potential” impact guy @ def tackle!they are sack hungry,and will take themselves out of plays vs the run!that is not what we need!
we need 1 or 2 large wide body stay at home run guys!!
they are usually vets, although this year the def tackles are gettin bigger comin out un draft! so either way we get a grady jackson dirt cheap or a guy in rds 2-5 dirt cheap!it works , but we need 2 , to rotate @ both tackle spots !!! kelly is huge,need him he plays sde/wdt equally! he will produce sacks @ wdt, ! look @ first year , he got a sack a game when they finally played him!
so we are 2 guys on line away, 1 lbr, & vet @ strong sfty to pair with huff@ freesfty & stu as our 3rd safety! but all this goes out window if ryan stays!& keeps burgess@ sde, & stu @ free sfty with playin strong sfty! so lest talk after ryan is gone!if he stays any one or thing is fruitless! we will be 3-13 w/ no defense!at all! and looking for a new head coach!
February 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I’m not very bright so I need these geniuses who want to draft McFadden to answer a question.
If the Raiders ability to stop the run doesn’t improve just how much time per game will McFadden have to score??
Does time of possession mean anything to you?
If the Raiders begin to show a consistant ablility to score and their defense doesn’t improve our opponants will run the ball down our throats all game, thus eating up the clock. If they score enough times in the process, it takes the Raider running game (McFadden) right out of the picture, having to rely on the passing game to catch up, and with limited time of possession to do it in.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Pete…
Get him now….that sounds just like a Raider OL!..
Nah but serioulsy, usa today isn´t as harsh:
”Harris, a first-round pick in 2003, started every game over the past two seasons at right tackle after a failed attempt to convert him to left tackle.
Though Harris became a favorite target of fans’ ire for his penalty-prone play and an occasional embarrassment in pass protection, his coaches pointed out Harris’ outstanding run-blocking as one reason for running back Frank Gore’s franchise-record 1,695 yards last season.”
He´s got the atlethic skills to play in Cable´s scheme, I´ll bring him in for a visit.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Copenhagen fan….
I have faith in Richardson as an above average DL for years to come, few DE´s are 6′6” 280 and move well nowadays, I think he gives us a lot of options down the road.
I keep picturing Richardson and Kelly starting at end, thats 6′6” 280 and 6′6” 300 bookends who can hold their ground and move, with Burgess and Clemons as pass rushing specialists on passing situations where Kelly moves inside alongside starter Ellis/Dorsey. The second starting DT to be named later….
It´s still in the works, my scenario, but that´s where it´s at right now.
Somehow, this comment was moderated and doesn´t appear on the thread so I´m reposting to see if it ”clears”…
February 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Soul Patrol, thank you for using lower case type. It is easier to read, although your Ryan-hate is on a par with MaddenRaider’s Davis-hate. Your observations can be good at times… we all know that you hate buddy’s kid, no need to put it out there every single entry.
Kwame Harris? Hmmm. He has nearly killed off every QB he ever blocked for. Fine when he’s doing that for the EssEffers, but I would hate to see his style coincide with ruining our Franchise.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
sorry Bob-the guy is worse than Sims.we need to improve not languish in mediocrity.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Simpleton:
Before you hate on the DMac fans, wait until free agency is over and we’ve been able to fill some needs.
What if we sign Bernard Berrian, Corey Williams, Atari Bigby, & someone to man the LT spot like George Foster? Or obviously a combination of players to equal a solid DT, SS, WR, & LT?
I want DMac, but won’t take him over Dorsey. I’m having a real hard time with Howie’s kid as I believe he’ll be a stud, but with Brayton, Richardson, Burgess, & Clemons we should have two solid starters.
Drafting Long is no different than drafting DMac at this point. Both strengthen already decent units.
Last year we passed on USC players in the draft and I’m curious what happens this year?
February 9th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Simpleton-you don’t get it.McFadden is going to play DT,ILB,SS,RB,QB,WR,<.he will also return punts and the one KO return each game.we don’t need anyone else-just a slightly above RB who played in a gimmicky Off in college.
February 9th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
whyas the rukas about,someone tell me what’s the rukas about’….everybody talking ryan his defense i feel ya’ll! but i look at our 12 losses . 8 out of 12 losse was by senen pts. or less 4 by seven.hmmm someone said time of possesssion.hmmmm i think we won that battle in most of our games.we shut down the colts, for three and a half qrts.the 2 games we got blown out were by green bay,the jags,detroit we could have won,chicago the same…in those 12 losses we ave 14 pts. a game … teams beat us because of our inability to produce in the red zone..hmmmm the defense gave 26pts a game . hey i got lets focus on our defense which wasn’t all bad then have an offense that can’t produce pts. ……yeah whats the rukas’ about ?
February 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
what ever happened to “just give us 17 points and we’ll do the rest”? jesus h.christus
February 9th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
i think they meant “spot us 17 points”…
they were talking about to other team…
February 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Hey, he wouldn´t be the first guy to turn his carreer around, specially under a diferent system. You won´t find many 6′7” 306 guys who can move out there, but I can see the reluctance… still worth a flyer to me.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
6′7” 322 actually.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
still only 26.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Linds is another one that learned nothing from the Superbowl.
DEFENSE wins Championships
A flashy QB and Running back are something to see on BSPN highlights and to brag about to your lame friends.
I want to see another Raider Lombardi Trophy
February 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I’m always worried about a number of different Raider-related things, but one issue that came up in the last few weeks is Cooper Carlisle opting out of his second year. We all heard about it, but nothing more on does he want to leave the Raiders or does he want more money?
Losing him puts another big hole on our offensive line. In my mind easily our best offensive lineman last season. I think it’s imperative we re-sign him and the sooner the better.
Finally, isn’t Bigby of the Packers a restricted free agent? That could make it a non issue and impossible for us to get him in my mind. I don’t know how tender offers and compensation work, but we’re in no shape to give up any of the few draft picks we have.
Go Raiders.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Bigby… RFA… Green Bay
2007 season: 86 tackles, 5 int…
February 9th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Bigby strikes me as ordinary…
no big money for him!!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
BARTON, KIRK OHIO ST 1 OL 3 OT
WILLIAMS, CHRISTOPHER VANDERBILT 2 OL 47 OT
BENEDICT, HEATH NEWBERRY 1 OL 5 OT
NICKS, CARL NEBRASKA 2 OL 30 OT
POLUMBUS, TYLER COLORADO 2 OL 33 OT
RINEHART, CHAD NORTHERN IOWA 2 OL 38 OT
ZUTTAH, JEREMY RUTGERS 2 OL 49 OT
HALE, DAVID WEBER ST 2 OL 21 OT
COUSINS, ONIEL UTEP 1 OL 13 OT
YOUNG, ERIC TENNESSEE 2 OL 48 OT
RICHARDSON, BARRY CLEMSON 2 OL 37 OT
BLAIR, JAMES WESTERN MICHIGAN 1 OL 6 OT
OTAH, JEFFREY PITTSBURGH 2 OL 31 OT
GRECO, JOHN TOLEDO 2 OL 20 OT
BROWN, DUANE VIRGINIA POLYTECH INST 1 OL 7 OT
ROBINSON, WILLIAM SAN DIEGO ST 2 OL 39 OT
RADOVICH, ANDREW SOUTHERN CAL 2 OL 35 OT
SOSA, PEDRO RUTGERS 2 OL 42 OT
SCHWARTZ, GEOFFREY OREGON 2 OL 41 OT
* COLLINS, ANTHONY KANSAS 1 OL 12 OT
* DUNBAR, FRANKLIN MIDDLE TENNESSEE 1 OL 15 OT
BELL, DEMETRIUS NORTHWESTERN ST 1 OL 4 OT
CLARK, DEVIN NEW MEXICO 1 OL 11 OT
BAKER, SAMUEL SOUTHERN CAL 1 OL 2 OT
* CLADY, RYAN BOISE STATE 1 OL 9 OT
KEITH, BRANDON NORTHERN IOWA 2 OL 24 OT
HILLS, TONY TEXAS-AUSTIN 2 OL 22 OT
CHERILUS, GOSDER BOSTON COL 1 OL 8 OT
LONG, JAKE MICHIGAN 2 OL 26 OT
MCGLYNN, MICHAEL PITTSBURGH 2 OL 28 OT
DUNLAP, KING AUBURN 1 OL 16 OT
CLARK, COREY TEXAS A&M 1 OL 10 OT
GIBSON, MICHAEL CAL-BERKELEY 2 OL 19 OT
GIACOMINI, BRENO LOUISVILLE 1 OL 18 OT
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lineman at the combine for potential picks.
Based on most mock drafts and other team needs we should be able to if so chosen get a good solid OL in the 2nd round.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Anyways, Harris is on my list of cheaper/former high picks who may fluorish somewhere else, alongside…
My favorite low risk-high reward prospective sigining Keary Colbert, as well as Drew Carter, Devery Henderson and Devard Darling.
Randy Starks and Isaac Sopoaga won´t be as cheap, but won´t break the bank either and they can step right into the rotation.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Newberry should have some insight concerning Harris and if he would be a better fit with the Raiders….Maybe Cable also but I am not sure if he was with the 49ers when they drafted Harris.
February 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
if Newberry rolls his eyes…
don’t do it…
February 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Wolverine Raider Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I’m always worried about a number of different Raider-related things, but one issue that came up in the last few weeks is Cooper Carlisle opting out of his second year. We all heard about it, but nothing more on does he want to leave the Raiders or does he want more money?
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it’s all about the money…
his agent musta been talking to him…
it’s probably the agent who needs the money…
February 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
I´ll stop on this for now, but Kwame Harris is actually a full 2 years younger than our own Robert Gallery.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Even though he was drafted a year earlier.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
simpleton,ya got me all wrong brotha,maybe i’m just one of the few (if not only).who why can’t we have the best of both worlds.defense does win championships no $@%&,we know we ned a DT(2)a bigger,LB,a SS. three pieces that should be no problem to find!our defense kept in most of the games last season ’til the forth quarter last year, because the offense could do nothing wit the doggone ball! yet we had porter,curry who when we needed a big play vanished (poof)gone!maybe i’ m the only one who saw that last year!the D’ isn’t as far off as the offense !there ain’t nothing to learn from the super bowl except to you need both a good offense and defense ,which both teams had .. hmmmm who the hell is looking for ‘FLASH simpleton ? you want to see the trophy you damn well better have a balanced attack both sides of the ball ! all defense and no offense won’t get us there either brotha !2006 the ‘D ranked 5th but no offense…hmmmm, oh yeah the giants have a good back,a good QB, good receivers good line they won the superbowl didn’t they to go along wit their defense..hmmm the pats have good wr’s,runningback and a good quarterback and a good D’ they got there. so maybe simpleton should rewind the film roll the tape and learn ya need both … ya heard!for the record i want more trophies too! and just like the bowls we won i want to see us dominate and cause a motha @#%&%@ rukas !
February 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
kwame harris is 2years younger and still a ‘bust! he’s like a young barry sims( false start,holding,blown off the edge)we need a young atheletic tackle in the walter jones mold ya heard ! is there one out there?holla… if cooper carlise want to bouce let him bounce, in crunch time he got his ass kicked ! we still have grove and i think guards are a little easier to find than tackles anyway! dang feb.29 where ya at where ya at feb.29 mr. davis old fat bank roll and i think he wanna spend ya’ll
February 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
good looking on the wits of the raiders scouting dept now if they can get a run stopping LB we’ll be set thanks Jerry!!
February 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
forget free agents dont need em dont want em waht we need is 2 more good to great drafts in a row DT SSLB SS WR OT and build another contender for the ring every year like back in the day
February 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
ah back in the day…. i remember when we had a history of having mean and nasty offensive linemen…. dang where they at. newberry brings attitude but the rest ….hmmmm it’s like they do their assignment and thats it ….hmmmm i see defenses in their face and seejng our line back down…hmmm what would the wiz say about that…?hmmm robbins had before he went bipolar on us we’re a little soft there boyz . like to see our line like days of old and bring the motha @#$%@# rukas !
February 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Holyroller is right. We’re probably two GOOD drafts away from being competitive. If we good fix the DL this year and get OL, WR, SS next year, that would be fine. Unfortunatley the cubboard was that bare when Kiffin took over. I’m not seeing good free agents out there. Look at ours. Jordan, Porter. I’ve been saying there are very good players available even in the 4th and 5th rounds this year. We’re gonna have get some undrafted guys, guys that fall thru the cracks. We’re just gonna have to get guys that way.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
BTW, Kwame Harris can’t play.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
with the exception of Corey Williams, i agree with you…
let’s sign him and draft our way to success…
start with the defense…
February 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Fla Pete, you might be right about Corey Williams. Good size, packers like him because his play has gotten better with time. No reason for them to keep him after they drafted Justin Harrell.
February 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hmm is this thread gonna reach 1000?…wish i could read all 606 comments but me dont have the time , arr.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Krowlz, I’ll give you a synopsis of the 600-odd posts. Nnamdi good, Nnamdi excellent, trade Nnamdi for picks (leading to comments wondering about the sanity of the idea), juvenile interveners sometime last evening causing all with sense to leave the sight, early am discussion of WR candidates and then once again back into talks of potential draft picks and /or free agents.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
lol thanks M… I should ask that question more often much quicker..wify will be much happier.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
yup…
that’s about it in a nutshell…
well done…
February 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Glad to be of service.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Nice synopsis M. Here are a couple of FA’s that might not break the bank. I have not checked to see if any of these guys have resigned with their teams but,:
Jeff Faine C, New Orleans
Devery Henderson WR New Orleans
Chris Myers C Denver
DJ Hackett WR Seattle
Jabar Gaffney WR New England
Brian Johnson WR Arizona
Greg White DE Tampa Bay
Wesley Britt OT New England
February 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Good ol Mort reported last week that Fassal would be the NEXT HC of the Redskins. Today the Skins promoted their recently hired OC Zorn to HC.
Chalk up another SCOOP to Mort and BSPN. (Roll eyes)
February 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I don’t hate Al Davis, M. I hate his style of management, and I hate the losing that ensues from it. That’s it.
And, please tell me you didn’t mean “hate” as in jealousy, as if to say I’m “playa hating” on Al?!?
We’ve went over this, guys.
NOBODY can “HATE ON” you when you’re at the bottom. You hate on the winners, not the losers. When you’re downing a loser, you’re MAKING FUN of them, CRITICIZING them, etc, NOT HATING ON THEM.
To quote Too Short, we “can’t hate” Al Davis. There aint nothin’ to hate. He just loses anymore.
So, let it go.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
How about these free agents in terms of not a max salary:
OG Ryan Lilja
OG Jake Scott
LT Travelle Wharton- has played in the zone scheme this year in Carolina (although depending on need he could be expensive, but he’s a solid tackle)
WR Andre’ Davis
WR Keary Colbert
WR David Patten
As for D, if we want anyone decent we’re going to pay for it. There’s not much available.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
And, Rob Ryan is nothing more than a Davis puppet. You can count me in with whoever else you were responding to over that, M. Ryan is a complete joke. And, you compare him to Buddy Ryan as if there’s a shred of resemblance.
Buddy Ryan was A COACH in this league. He had a philosophy, and commanded his players to success. Buddy Ryan would never sit there and let some fossil of an owner, in over his own head and completely out of touch with the modern day game, try and dictate to him which scheme he should run and which players he should use.
Comparing Rob Ryan to Buddy Ryan in any way other than blood relation is an insult to Buddy Ryan. Compare Rob Ryan to Norv Turner and Art Shell, because he carries no more weight here than they did. Rob Ryan doesn’t tie his shoes without crazy Al’s permission, let alone build and run a defense.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Rob Ryan is nothing more than the NFL’s craziest looking cheerleader.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
As some of pointed out above, I don’t think it’s going to take 2 years to become competitive, at least in the AFC West.
The Queefs: please draft Long (I mean Big Rob) and start him at LT.
The Doncos: their D line is more of a mess than ours so we know their D is going to take awhile
The Dolts: have a few more years to rack up wins although a Super Bowl is never going to happen
After we sign 4 FA’s to replace existing starters and draft 3-4 more starters, we’ll be competitive this year.
In ‘09 we should be playoff bound provided Kiffin is still around and we have 3 drafts under him.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
“providing Kiffin is still around”
Why do we need Kiffin, DSM? Can’t Al Davis draft?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Look at our drafts over the past 20 years and tell me last year’s draft wasn’t the best?
Coincidence Kiffin was on board? I think not.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
DSM, regarding Lilja and Jake Scott, for whatever reason, Indy linemen don’t do well when they are outside of the Tom moore Indy system.
David Patten is 12 years in so, he’s most likely toast.
Andre Davis is now on his fourth team in four years. What does that tell ya??
Colbert has been a classic underachiever.
Actually the guy from Carolina I really like is Jordan Gross, but he would most likely break the bank.
Check the guys I have mentioned up above. Freakiest part of all is Fla Pete mentions Wesley Britt who I really like. I didn’t notice Pete bring Britt up. He’s a good player.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Andre Davis has big time speed which we both know Al likes, but his positive is his special teams. Although last year he played more.
Curious what to think of Lilja & Scott in a zone scheme? Do you know if any Tom Moore system players have moved to the zone?
Colbert is a classic underachiever, but as a 3rd or 4th WR and not breaking the bank, I’d be fine with him.
Jordan Gross is a RT so there’s no need there.
Wesley Britt sounds like a good one.
I saw the guys you had mentioned and decided to add other possibles.
I think Wharton would probably be my choice for a lineman though as he would easily replace Sims.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Poaked sucks
February 9th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
DSM, why are you hoping Kiffin sticks around? Have you not any faith in Al drafting on his own? Why not fire Kiffin, and promote Rob Ryan to HC? We’re set in regards to drafting. We have Al Davis, right?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Lets bring in Pork Chop Womack to help on the o-Line.I think we could get him on the cheap because of injury problems.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
DSM, you bring up real good possibilties. Howard Mudd runs that blocking scheme for Indy. 34 years in the league, 10 with Indy, and runs a very specific system. don’t really know if it would translate to ZBS.
I really don’t remember watching Wharton this year at LT. Hopefully he healed up. I was thinking of moving Jordan Gross back to the left side, but you’re right, he doesn’t want to go back over to the left side.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
DSM – Last year’s draft was a bust.
With the exception of Russell who was a no brainer as the first pick and Miller…
The rest of the picks are NOT NFL caliber.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
That’s ridiculous charlie. It takes years to evaluate a draft. Go away.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Oakglenn
Kwame Harris can´t play in the SF system, but he may be able to play in our system, he may be able to move to G if not at T. 2 years ago people said Gallery couldn´t play either.
I would definitely give that guy a one year deal to see what he can do, a little more than the veteran minimun should do. I mean, he was the top rated OL in the country coming out of High School, there is some talent there and we might be able to use it.
And come on, it´s a classic Raider move to revive former high draft picks who flop elsewhere…Linc Kennedy and Ty Weathley the latest I recall.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Charlie Coe: Last year’s draft a bust?
O’Neal not an NFL caliber FB? Richardson not an NFL caliber DE? And what about Bush we knew prior to the draft would possibly sit out the year?
4 quality starters and a possible steal. That’s not bust. Name me other teams besides the Giants who have 4 starters and a possible super stud RB drafted in the 4th?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
RF, I like Floyd Womack. Could be a good signing.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Oak: Another possibility for a LT would be RT George Foster with Detroit. He played RT previously with Denver.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I love how Charlie assumes last year’s draft a bust, pointing out Russell as the exception. You know, as if J Russ gave an ‘01 Brady-like performance when he got the rock…
February 9th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I don’t think Pork Chop fits our style of quicker lineman.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Bob, everything is there for, like you say, a “classic” Raider revival. Other than the fact that Mike Nolan thinks he plays soft. Good call on moving him into the interior line. That’s a good call. Doesn’t help our tackle situation tho. Plus at 6′7″, he’s not going to be easy to see over if he’s in the interior.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
By the way, Harris is waay down my priority list as a fan, I just don´t get why people wouldn´t wanna take a flyer on the guy.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
poakedglenn you’re always talking to men. lol
February 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Good evening MaddenRaider…
February 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
The whiners really gave him a shot and he didn’t do well. Could somebody else do something with him??? Anything is possible I guess. I gotta be honest with you Bob, I didn’t really like his game.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
What up, Marley. Just sitting here knowing damned well everything is not okay between Kiffin and Al. And, I don’t believe it will be as long as Rob Ryan’s here. Other than that, you know,…. I’m In.
What are you up to tonight?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
As long as we don’t break the bank in FA for a LT or draft one in the 1st I’m fine. There’s no need for a top ranked LT for the zone.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
DSM – Bush is JUNK.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
You guys I was really thinking this was a WEAK FA class. But Jabar Gaffney, Devery Henderson, Jeff Faine, Bryant Johnson, Greg White, Chris Myers, these guys could really contribute on the cheap!! I’m so impressed with Fla Pete pulling this guy Wesley Britt out of nowhere. He might really be able to contribute, for basically nothing.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Whats up Unknown, who we got tonight? Hopefully not the same 2 scallywags. No need to mention its names
February 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Charlie Coe what do you base post 642 on stupidity or ignorance
February 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Yeah, I see your point Oakglenn, just saying I would not mind giving him a one year deal, he´s only 25 so there´s still a chance and if he totatlly sucks…we still get an experienced 30 plus games starter to provide depth.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Actually Raider Fan charlie is a mixture of stupidity and ignorance. Bush was a bona fide Heisman candidate who won everywhere he went. In the first game his last year he had 145 yards and two TD’s, IN THE FIRST HALF. On the second day of the draft, the Oakland Raiders received I think 30 calls from other teams wanting to trade for the lst pick on the second day. The Raiders didn’t know what was going on. Oh Right, Mike Bush!!!!!!!! So everyone in the world doesn’t know anything but charlie. You’re a dumbass Charlie.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Madden Raider -I’m sure you’re already aware of this but for those of you out of the loop…
Jim Fassel will be the head coach of the Raiders in 08.
What are your thoughts on seeing Jamarcus in Big Jim offense?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Yeah MaddenRaider, I can´t say I´m too pleased either, I´m no fan of Rob Ryan, haven´t been for 3 years but at least we know this is the last year of his contract.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I smell a trolling charger
February 9th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Marley & Oak:
I agree with your thoughts of Wesley Britt as he would be a good fit for at worst depth.
Depth is a huge issue with the whole team and this year will be a big step of continuing to remove and add better players.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Oakglenn you are gutless punk.
It AIN”T GONNA HAPPEN!!!
Save your Heisman talk.
We all know how that translates in the NFL.
What has Michael Bush done SINCE his injury?
His knee is junk just like your life.
Face facts.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Maddenraider
Damn right we have Big Al. How many NFL teams has Kiffin biult and how many has Big Al biult? You do the math.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
poakedglenn is always arguing with men and providing the least amount of input regarding Raider ball. It knows a lot about the chargers though as an exposed agent that peeps in on this Raider Blog.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
well… i don’t like Kwame Harris either…
but you can’t teach 6′7″, 322 pounds…
Cable’s system requires a different set of skills…
no-one else is gonna want this guy…
so it can’t cost much to see what, if anything, this guy has…
he could be very nice training camp fodder…
then again, maybe we find us a right guard…
February 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
BHP: You don’t think there’s a coincidence to Kiffin assisting with the draft in ‘07 compared to the previous 25 years of drafts?
‘07 was obviously one of our best drafts in a long, long time.
Al hired Kiffin because he knows the talent in the NCAA.
February 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Hey Charlie: are you sure your first name really isn’t Kevin?
You have no input or facts to state your case as to why Bush is junk. If you do, show us them?
February 9th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
That’s it charlie. I’m glad you know more than the world does. What a piece of crap.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Right on Florida Pete…that´s all I´m saying….
”Harris has the great size, talent, and athletic ability to be an incredible player at the next level. He is very young and is rather unpolished at this point, but shows a strong willingness to learn. With the proper coaching, there is no telling how good Harris could be. He has a strong body and is much quicker than most players with his bulk.”
No luck so far but worth a flyer.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
DSM he doesn’t. That’s how you can tell these idiots. They just spew crap. It comes out of every orifice they have. They’re not here to do anything positive, they’re not here to contribute. They’re loser idiots.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Didnt Charlie Coe play bass for Paul Revere and the RAIDERS. At least 1 Charles Coe had talent.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
DSM
I meant Harris, Pete and Okaglenn are the ones on Britt´s camp.
Britt is 6′8” 320 and looks sloow from his pictures ..lol.
I can´t say I know anything about him but if he was on the pats roster he must be a decent player, wether he fits our scheme or not I couldn´t say either.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Charlie Coe
You’re wasting your time arguing with that charger diehard. It has been exposed and is just searching for attention!lol
February 9th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
hmmmm Bush’s knee is junk ? When did that happen?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
And let me break some game action down for you guys who think Ryan sucks. In the second half of the GB game, which the Raider defense played incredibly well in the first half, up 14-7 Green Bay got the ball to start the second half. lst play call run up the gut, Ryan has the perfect defense, Raiders charge, loss of three. Now at GB 15, Ryan shows blitz, GB RT jumps, false start, now 2nd and 18, Ryan calls pass defense, perfect call, broken up, almost sacked Farve, now 3rd and 18, and momentum is completely on Raiders side. Again, Ryan drops everyone into coverage, nobody is open, Favre dumps to his checkdown, Huff misses him, the play goes for 19 and a first down. And the team lets down. That’s not Ryans fault.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Fact of the day
Not 1 QB who has lead the NFL in passing has won a Super Bowl.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I’ve asked for Ryan’s head and more specifically M & M (Millard & Martindale), but if we get a solid DT, move Huff to FS, and sign or draft a SS, Ryan’s job could be much easier.
As for next year if there’s no improvement on D, I at least expect to see dramatic improvements on O.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Marley…
just cause the guy’s white doesn’t make him look slow…
even though he probably is…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
You see nation thats what im talking. This fool is talking about 3 plays of an entire season that wasn’t even succesful. Nobody should respond to this idiotic charger fan known as poakedglenn!
February 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
uh, let’s see …
it’s been about 12 hours since my last Bush rant…
are you all up for another Bush rant???
February 9th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Agreed Oakglenn, I remember that one and a few similar…but let me ask you
Honestly, How do you expect our Defense to play next season, Ryan´s 5th year?.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
oakglenn…
do you smell that???
the last time i smelled somthing that rancid… i was driving near san clemente…
i turned around and headed back north…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
we need a little help on D…
gotta have the horses…
without them, Ryan isn’t gonna look much better…
i am absolutely sure mr davis will get us a serious interior line, and some safety help…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
It was poakedglenn discharging
February 9th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Bob, we get Sedrick Ellis or Glenn Dorsey in the first round, and another defender in the 2nd round, I expect them to play very well. Not unbelievable, but top quarter of the league, certainly. Just with the two defensive linemen.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Unknown no one here cares what you think. Your own mom doesn’t care about you loser. Why don’t you take your little spunk drinking friends and go crawl back under whatever scum covered rock you crawled out from. Nobody here is gonna respond to you and your loser spunk soaked friends, asswipe.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
lol She’s panting good fellas! lol lol
February 9th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
If we get a solid DT & SS then our D will be set up to play very well next year. I just hope the coaching can provide the consistency this time around.
Although I haven’t liked the consistency with Ryan’s D, I have to admit drafting Nnamdi, Routte, Washington, Huff, Richardson, Howard, & Morrison has been good and had provided a great foundation.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Pete….
It was an ironic comment because my ‘’scouting report” on him consisted of a couple of pictures, hence the lol at the end.
And come one, have you met a 6′8” 320 white guy whom you would call fast?.
Anyway, here´s the picture I looked at, he ”looks” slow to me, as do the other 2 guys standing next to him….again LOL.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I hate in this blog how a player who is drafted #20 or later is considered a bust? How many teams each year get busts in slots #20-32?
Washington- 23rd in ‘05
Brayton-32nd in ‘03
Harris- 23rd in ‘02
Gibson- 28th in ‘01
Nnamdi- 31st in ‘03 and obviously a stud is our only other player drafted after pick #20 to be a good player since Don Mosebar in ‘83.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Pete,DSM, you’re right, we need the horses, especially up front. We just don’t have them. We NEED a Dorsey or Ellis. Instant upgrade. Hopefully we get a Lawrence Jackson, Ali HIghmsith, Trevor Laws, in the 2nd, and this defense all of a sudden is gonna be much improved.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
http://sdg.scout.com/2/390442.html
February 9th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Marley,
First of all…I need to smoke a FAT one…ahhh, better
Regarding how Ryan’s D, OUR D, is going to perform:
-We WILL rank higher than #22 against the run. Of course, this is assuming we upgrade our DT & SS spots.
-I expect more sacks coming from Williams and Morrison, as Ryan will finally start blitzing, from the urge of Kiffin & The Fans.
-If we can bring in another elite corner, Nnamdi will have 7 INTs and finally makr the Pro Bowl.
-If Huff plays FS, he WILL return an INT for a TD. I predict Huff & Kelly will be our breakout players in 2008.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Provided we sign a LT and DT like Corey Williams, I would love to see DMac and Lavelle Hawkins with our first 2 picks.
Talk about instant offense. Hawkins is the better WR to come out of Cal. Call me crazy but he’ll be better than DeSean Jackson. Hawkins runs a 4.47 40.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Actually Bob, this guy Britt is first team all SEC, i think 3rd team all american, he could play.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
i wonder if ol’ Britt can back up the tackle position???
he gotta have a big time wingspan…
Patriots didn’t use him much…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Oakglenn, top quarter uh?.
I hope so man, I´d love nothing more than to eat my words in around 9-10 months. I just find it hard to believe, maybe the new guys coming in will allow me to change my outlook in a couple fo months.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
# Charlie Coe Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
“Jim Fassel will be the head coach of the Raiders in 08.”
………..
*snare drum
February 9th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
yeah the Pats snagged this guy the day after the Dolts cut him, i think in ‘05…
he must’ve been on their radar…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Bob, absolutely one of the top 8 in the league. We’ve got the hard part done. The pass defense. That’s the hard part. Pass Rushers: between Burgess and Clemons, we have something there. It’s not like THAT cubboard is completely bare. NOW, if we can get ANYTHING else from the tackle position, and (God I hope, God I hope, God I hope) we get a Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis, that means ONE OF THOSE GUYS is gonna HAVE TO BE double teamed, which means if Burgess is doubled, the opponents offense is not gonna have a lot of options out there running patterns. JMHO.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
# Blackholepriest Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Maddenraider
Damn right we have Big Al. How many NFL teams has Kiffin biult and how many has Big Al biult? You do the math.
…….
Do the math?
Is that a joke?
Want me to do the math on Al Davis’ w/l record from 1986 to today? I didn’t think so.
Want me to do the math on Al Davis’s w/l record in the 4 seasons prior to Kiffin’s arrival, where Al was undoubtedly in charge with nothing but puppets under him?
Here’s some math for you: Considering the above math, Al Davis is no more qualified to build a team today than than the typical streaker.
But, my point was to address the Al worshipers who also don’t want to see Kiffin leave. My simple question to them would be; If Al Davis is the all knowing genius they say he is, why does he need Kiffin?
February 9th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Here´s one analysis on Britt:
ANALYSIS
Positives:
Has a very tall frame, with the ability to add at least another 30 pounds of bulk … Has lean muscle development and is light on his feet for a player of his size … Has adequate quickness to gain position and slide … Plays with good awareness and is quick to pick up line games and blitzes … Has the intelligence to pick up plays quickly and is an articulate, intelligent and vocal athlete … Uses his size properly to occupy space and gain position in order to wall off and sustain … Decent drive blocker who has the lateral mobility to gain position coming off the snap … Plays with a wide base and has made improvements in attempts to readjust and mirror vs. the edge rushers … Lacks the ability to sink his hips and stay at a low pad level, but uses his frame to lean-in and grab to push his man off the line and wall off … Decent second level blocker, taking good angles to make the second level cut-off block … When he keeps his leg base wide, he is quick in his kick slide.
Negatives:
Has adequate initial quickness, but tends to take false steps and get behind the defender when coming off the snap … Lacks explosion and flexibility to roll his hips and drive defenders off the ball, relying on his size to wall off … While he is a four-year starter on the left side, he does not have the lower body strength or the foot quickness to prevent from being beaten off the edge … This could lead to him moving to the right side in the pros, where he will not have to be isolated vs. the quicker edge rushers … More of a waist bender, rather than a knee bender, causing him to struggle when defenders get outside his frame work … Shows good hand placement, but fails to generate a strong punch, despite his upper body power … When he gets high in his stance, he tends to cross his feet, resulting in him struggling to redirect vs. the edge rush … Needs to do a better job of reloading his hands (drops them and does not throw them), as he keeps them too low, allowing defenders to get into his chest to push him back … Has had durability issues with fractured leg bones the last two years that might warrant further medical evaluation … Needs to take better angles to cut off linebackers when working in the second level … Might not be suited to play guard, as he is a marginal trap blocker who fails to bring his feet and loses balance when on the move … Must work on eliminating the false steps he takes on his deep set.
February 9th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Good for you Pete. Exactly. He got hurt right before the combine and fell into the 5th round. Obviously Pats had him all lined up. And the one game he played for them he played well. He needs a shot somewhere. You know how many top notch Personnel guys in the NFL are on this site daily, now going, Wesley Britt, never heard of the guy. Do some research..
February 9th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Corey Williams!!!!
yeah, i know we won’t be able to get him…
February 9th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
charger girl poaked
February 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
BHP, I don’t believe Al Davis has ever built a team, to be honest. He didn’t build the team he took over as coach. He just came in and coached them. He probably is a good coach. And, I’m sure he’s about as much of a players’ coach as Bill Parcells and Jon Gruden put together, despite his belief that he doesn’t need a coach that screams in the players’ faces. Al probably wrote the book on dressing down underachieving players when HE was coaching…
Al Davis was never the primary builder of any of our successful teams. Good GM’s don’t forget how to GM. Good GM’s don’t tank 4 years straight. They just don’t. Sure, you don’t have to win a Super Bowl every year. In fact, you don’t even have to win one to be a good GM. But no GM worth his own weight stinks up the joint 4 years straight. Building good football teams is like riding a bike. Once you know how to do it, you do it. And that’s why the Packers won a Super Bowl under Ron Wolf in the ’90s, and why Al Davis couldn’t get the Raiders off the ground in that decade until Gruden came along.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Oak…
are you saying that we ain’t gonna get Britt either???
jeebus…
dies this mean i should shut up???
or…
perhaps i should talk about Kwame Harris!!!
February 9th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
stick it anywhere you want, Raider Nation
February 9th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Nice Pete. No I think Britt or William could be had. Maybe Jeff Faine and Devery Henderson as well.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Just so you know the draft will be defense heavy unless something really stupid happens and great offensive talent falls to us. There is a great prototype MLB that should be available in the second reminds of a young Pepper Johnson.
This present team was biult primarily through the draft you may not approve of most of the talent but I think we have some very good young players from QB’s to DB’s. Kiffin wasn’t responsible for all of that.
As far as Kiffin is concerned he has tons of POTENTIAL but that’s potential, he hasn’t done anything yet, but go 4 & 12. Let’s see how he does with the young phenom at QB and the offense. I like him but he did make soem huge mistakes and that was to be expected but now he’s got the biggest piece of the puzzle solved and it’s nut cuttin’ time.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I’m not sure Al Davis is willing to give up enough to the Bengals for Corey Williams. JHMO.
Would they take Sands and Walter for Williams and Tory James??
February 9th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
I would be in shock if we could get Faine… for a reasonable amount of money that is… also Faine would cost us in draft picks… maybe not a good idea…
(Britt and Williams would not because Britt was a 5th and Williams a 6th rounder)
Henderson i don’t want… benched for dropping passes…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Young gun…
Bengals??? Williams is a Packer
February 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
MaddenRaider what are you talking about??? The team that went on the playoff run was a pretty damn good team. Rice, Brown, Gannon, Romanowski, Woodson, seem like a good team to me. What, he forgot how to build that team??? Or, that was all Gruden, and Davis had nothing to do with that, even tho, again, Gruden was never a head coach at any level. What are you saying here??
February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
maddenraider is so full of venom for Al Davis…
he can only see things in an anti-Davis way…
i gave up defending mr Davis to Madden Raider…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
At WR, I want Keary Colbert, still only 25 and will come cheap, maybe Kiffin can revive his carreeer.
Mike Williams didn´t work out but Keary just might.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
If you REALLY believe Al Davis wasn’t the primary biulder of any of the Raiders great teams. Son you should never open your mouth and remove all doubt of stupidity.
Like I’ve said many times we have people in here that call themselves raider fans and don’t have the foggiest idea about this team. They are fans of an idea. They know nothing abut the genuine article
Peace Maddenwhatever no point in discussing this any further.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Pete, you’re right about Henderson dropping passes, but everyone on that New Orleans team was dropping passes. i think it was because Brees is not a big guy and all of a sudden the ball would get there, receivers wouldn’t see him chuck it. JMHO.
With Faine, he’s outta contract, so New Orleans would have to tag him, which I don’t think they’re gonna do.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Ohh…I guess Oakglenn was right the other night. Sorry, MAJOR blog fart…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Colbert… man… 2nd rounder… doesn’t say he’s restricted…
uh… i don’t know…
does he do a 3.9 40???
seems like he struggles a bit…
what would be his role???
February 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Get those chargers of the site capgun and the dishonarable (poakedglenn)
February 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
lord knows we need a real center…
Grove just doesn’t seem to hold up well…
Can Newberry hold up for another season…
i’m still annoyed about that draft…
Gallery and Grove… 1 & 2… rebuilding the line… possibly the best linemen available at their respective draft positions…
how is it possible they both don’t turn out as hoped…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Don´t konw exactly Pete….
But he was a great player for USC when Kiffin was there, I figured that if Kiffin thinks anything of him, he can get him at a bargain price.
And hey, I´ll tell you one thing, he can at least take the role of our current USC WR Chris McFoy.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
He’s now the 4th Wr on Carolina. He’s really dropped. He was a late lst rounder if I remember well. anyway, gotta go out, see y’all later.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
ha…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
jeez… this could turn into the welfare line for ex-USC players….
February 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
hay priest way to silence the critics (so called fans) thinking MR Davis has lost it and needs 2 step down its thinking like this that would make Barret Robbins look like MONK
February 9th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
take care…
bedtime for me also…
February 9th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
We will shut-up imposters when we smell them!
Watch her respond negatively. lol
February 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
08 draft
1 sedrick ellis DT USC
2 mario manningham WR Michigan
4 marcus howard DE georgia
6 dj wolf SS oaklahoma
57brandon kieth OT northern iowa
February 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
MaddenRaider….
let me answer and ask you at the same time:
MaddenRaider Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
”Al Davis couldn’t get the Raiders off the ground in that decade until Gruden came along.”
I wrote this before on that subject……..
I´m tired of the people partially asigning blame and credit for the Gruden era, therefore…
Let´s revisit history a bit:
Many people here praise the ”Gruden-Allen” era and they should, it was a great run.
But here are the facts regarding those team´s, how they were built and how personnel issues were handled.
– Let´s operate under the widely believed (from what many people write here everyday) assumption that Gruden and Allen were in control of the draft and personnel acquistions and in fact set up those teams, consider that and then this:
During the Gruden-Allen era we had 4 drafts, 98 trough 01.
Players drafted during that era should be the core of our current team, they would be 6 to 9 year vet´s in their prime.
Guess how many of them are still Raiders?….that would be a grand total of 3……3 out of 29 total picks.
Those 3 are Janikowski, Lechler and Porter. During that era we also picked up an undrafted FA OL from the street named Barry Sims, still a starter.
There were also a few latter round picks that turned into good players who later bolted for FA riches, these players are: Rod Coleman (makes a lot of money for a guy who plays like 6 games a year) G, Eric Barton (still a decent LB, not nearly a star) and Jon Ritchie (out of the league for a couple of years now) and of course, Charles Woodson a no-brainer as 4th overall.
Among notable players selected were Mo Collins, Matt Stinchcomb, DeLawrence Grant, Tuiasosoppo, Junior Ioane, Dameane Douglas, Derrick Gibson, Genaro Dinapoli, Travian Smith to name a few.
Special mention to Leon Bender 2nd rounder who passed away before ever playing a down and Tony Bryant, who was turning into a dependable player but suffered a neck injury and was released, later he was signed by the Rams but amounted to nothing.
If what you guys imply regarding Gruden and Allen´s authority is true, then I guess it´s fair to blame them for failing to set up a solid foundation for years to come.
Unless you wanna back down and sustain that Gruden and Allen were NOT in charge of personnel acquistions.
Which leads to Part Two………….
February 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
any 1 want 2 keep Jerry Porter? not in blog dream team
February 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Gruden-Allen´s last team was built on:
A) Holdovers such as: Tim Brown, Steve Wisniewski, Barret Robbins, Adam Treu, James Jett, Lincoln Kennedy and Greg Biekert.
B) Former high draft picks who dissapointed at previous sopts only to be signed by Oakland and turn their careers around, like: Ty Wheatley, Zack Crockett and Reagn Upshaw.
C) Older, mostly unwanted veterans who were given a second or third chance and suceeded, such as: Gannon, Eric Allen, William Thomas and Jerry Rice.
D) A couple of talented, if not star Free Agents like Charlie Garner and Tory James and to a much lesser extent Elijah Alexander and Roland Williams.
So, let´s put a little perspective on all those facts:
Besides the holdovers who along Gannon, lead both the offense (Brown, Wiz, Robbins, Kennedy) and the defense (Biekert) and who were the heart and soul of those teams…….There were also, older unwanted vets….. former high picks previously written off as busts…uhm…sound´s like someone´s well known M.O. for 40 years right?.
Make of those facts whatever you want, but the truth is, Davis´s fingerprints were all over that roster except for Gruden´s most brilliant contribution, convincing Davis to bring Gannon aboard.
Further proof that Al Davis will buy you the groceries and let you cook the dinner if he believes and respects what you preach. He won´t however hand you the keys to the car and simply come along for the ride.
So people, the Gruden-Allen era was great for us, but that success would have never happened without Davis himself.
It´s not like Allen and Gruden took over complete control and assembled a good team as many seem to be convinced. Al had as much to do as any of them, on both the good and the bad.
By the way, once Gruden left, we acquired a few more vets from the Al Davis school of thought and they helped us get over the hump and reach the Super Bowl….Rod Woodson, Sam Adams, Bill Romanowski and John Parrella.
Funny thing, Bruce Allen received The Sporting News Executive of the year in 03, mostly for finding a way to add all those contracts while in the midst of salary cap issues in the 02 season.
Wanna know who finished 3rd on the same voting???….Al Davis. 10 Votes for Allen, 7 to Davis. Go figure, even the media can give credit where is due but not some of these fans……
Allen´s take?…’’It´s nice to be recognized, but it´s really a tribute to Al and the Organization.’’
A similar approach appears to be in place after this offseason´s renewal of the coaching staff, players and the scouting- personnel department.
Have a little patience.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
part deux
February 9th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Am I lying here MaddenRaider?.
February 9th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
irie! MAN
February 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Brilliant post Bob, you have the patience of Job. I don’t have time for total ignorance.
Let me add if Kiffin had listened to Big Al on the Rand Moss thing we may have at the very least got a lot more for him. But he gave in to very young enthusiastic coach and got burned for it. However I blame Big Al for that one. He knew better but gave into the media and fans and a young coach. Fans don’t remember Art Powell who was the first T.O. Randy Moss type and he traded him and regretted it for years and didn’t want the young coach to experience the same thing.
Kiffin has a chance to be special but it’s not easy. The NFL is a very tough league and he would be smart to listen and learn as did many others, that later went on to greatness.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
combine time thanx 2 nfl network football never ends great
February 9th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I apologize to my fellow bloggers for re-posting…
But it´s just not fair to take out that 5 year span on Al Davis’s trajectory from 1998 to 2003, as if he didn´t even exist.
So, everytime someone plays that card, that post is coming back up.
BHP….the patience of Job? Hadn´t heard that one in a while…lol.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Bob
And well it should. What this man has meant to this team and to the NFL can’t be measured.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Well, looks like no answer, I thought so.
Good night.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Good night all.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Dakota,
A part of me really understands your yearning for McFadden. Here’s a bone for You as well as the Dorsey fans from the Draft Guru himself:
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SportsNation, Mel Kiper: “I could definitely see them drafting McFadden. That’s a guy they would look at. They have to consider a RB. They have a lot of RBs in the mix, but no stand out. They’re a team now that would have to say yes to him. But if it’s not McFadden, I’ll tell you what Dorsey would look great in a Raider uniform. They need a top flight DT. He would be a great fit for what the Raiders do.”
February 9th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
The Raider’s draft priority for the top 4 picks should be:
1. Dorsey
2. Ellis
3. McFadden
4. Long
We should stay where we are at, whether we’re 3 or 4, and walk away with one of these top 4 talents. Any one of them would start for us tomorrow.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:43 am
C’mon Raider Nation. Jump on. Anyone want to go for a ride?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:50 am
uhh, uhh, uhh, yeah
February 10th, 2008 at 1:12 am
can we draft a GM?
February 10th, 2008 at 3:02 am
robryan will be looking to dump burgess off roster for 2008.!!!and replaces him with chris long!! ryan was told by college & pro def cord @senior bowl that his run def can nver get better with burgess misplaced there as a 255lbs SDE!
so the trick here for ryan is to now get burgess off team ,replace him with long,then hope that run def improves by 10-20%, then the perception is
” see it was the players’fault not ryans!as soon as we got rid of als’ guy (burgess) the run def improved a little ” “”
“”gee all we need now is a couple of other ryan moves like this “” IF
this sounds familiar to you ,IT IS because this is mindset of the majority of you on this board !!
ryan then has completed the CRIME!!
f’ up the run def & pass rush, and have the scapegoat in burgess & al davis! and all you ryan dopes will fall for it!!
not me though & a few others i have the few ryan intviews that he has done
( now this makes sense , a guilty man
dont wanna be on the news much!!!)
and this move of burgess to SDE as every down player was his- ryans idea & that was it !!! no one elses!!!ive got the intview w/ cbs in week 5 or 6 2006 season.
where ryan said ” we need him on the field everydown, so DERECK vs ROT is a mismatch cause of his speed , the off dont see the pass rush comin from the rite side , thats a mismatch” DAAAH!!RITE OUT OF THE JACKASS’MOUTH!!!!
so anyway RYAN must now get burgess outta here , replace him with long in the draft!”and sit back & go see told you”!! and you ryan dopes will agree with him!!but not me!!! i’ll be waiting for that onE!!!..
heres the deal!
burges leaves thru F.A. and we get nothing in return, i’ll call it now! he will got to —– jets
patriots/chargers/bengals/ravens !!
as mid range cost free agent,and do the following n his first 2 seasons @ any of the other teams !!
IN 3-4 D-@RAVENS-16GAMES ,AS UPRITE PASSRUSHER!
64tackle 17 sacks , 5 pasdef!probowl,&48 QBHITS!
now the poINThere will be , he has more sacks then suggs-thomas-bolware IN past!!! in same defense!!!!
3-4 DEFENSE @CHARGERS- burgess starts as “uprite ilbr from weakside, and gets -16GAMES-20 SACKS,50+QBHITS,70TACKLES!
JETS-STARTER AS WOLBR N 3-4 , 14 SACKS, 80TACKLES, 2 INTS, 1 TD , 14 GAMES PLAYED !!
CINNCY-THE SAME IF CINCY JINX DONT APPLY!!!
RYAN BETTER HOPE A 4-3 TEAM GETS HIM OR A THE RAMS! & PLAY HIM @ SDE OR NOSEGUARD! THATS WHAT RYAN WANTS TO DO ! PLAY HIM OVER THE CENTER CAUSE ITS’ “MISMATCH” FI’N RETARD!!!
JUSTLIKE ALL OF YOUS’ RETARDS THAT DONT EVEN KNOW WHY YOUR RUN DEF & PASS RUSH SUCK !!! ANSWER- RYAN & RYAN ONLY PUT MY D-WRECK#56 @SDE! & KELLY @WDE!!IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!!
, any imporvement at either spot WOULD THEN BE ryans srewup for last 2 years! as oopppoesd to blaming the payer if he is no longer here! it will then look like a upgrade so ryan will be lobbying secretly for long! cause thatS who everyone is saying @ senior bowl is best for him @ sde! IF HE JUST MOVES BURGESS TO WDE,AND USES LONG/KELLY/SANDS ROTATION @ SDE/ WDT OUR RUNDEF&PASSRUSH GOES TO TOP 3 ELITE STATUS!
THEN ALL WILL SAY
” WE SUFFERED THE LAST 2 YEARS AND THE WHOLE TIME! IT WAS AT THE SAKE OF YOUR SICK LITTLE GAY EXPERIMENT YOU FREAK SCUMBAG/!FIRE HIM!!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 3:30 am
I think that if any wants to get rid of Burgess.They are retarded.The same idiots are saying to get rid of NNAMDI because he only had 1 int. this year.Let alone he only had 24 balls thrown his direction@ and deflected at least 13 says something.Washington is just as skilled.Watch the battle between Route and Washington for the Starting spot or Nickel.Burgess and Richardson on the outside, Sands and Ellis/Dorsey on the inside.Morrison, Howard, Thomas in the BackerHood. Nnamdi, Washington, Huff, Route, Cooper(and whoever we get to help fill the position in FA or the draft). We will once again have a vaunting D in the Black Hole!!! On offense we need to reassure our line and WR positions. After all the dust settles the Oakland Raiders will be back to laugh in the face of our many, many, many HATERS!!!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 4:14 am
his name is Routt, and Washington wont be starting material before 2009 season. It doesn’t help very much to only have one lockdown CB, when the QB freely can throw the other way. My hope is Routt is the answer, but i doubt it, he can become the answer, but not yet.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:15 am
–”Jim Zorn will be the next Redskins head coach.
Dan Snyder is always full or surprises. Zorn, the former Seattle QB coach, was hired to be the Redskins offensive coordinator more than two weeks ago. He’s known as a bright offensive mind, and perhaps Snyder cooled on Jim Fassel after seeing the public’s reaction to him. We’d love to give Zorn the benefit of the doubt, but now he’ll have less time to do what he knows best (tutor QBs) and the entire Redskins coaching search showed a lack of focus.
Feb. 9 – 6:45 p.m. ET”–
February 10th, 2008 at 5:00 am
Horny Zorny!
I hated that guy’s guts when he beat us. He was a very underated QB who played with smarts and had intangibles.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:06 am
I just looked up Zorn’s career stats. He pretty much sucked statistically. He gave the Silver and Black headaches as far as I recall. Maybe I was too young to remember, but my memory was that he always was a pain to contain.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Morning. LMN. The SB champion Giants don’t have ANY lock-down corners. Nor do most teams.
By the way, did you read Marley’s posts #s 721 and 723? A couple of the best posts I’ve ever seen. Thank you Bob. Good to see BHP back again.
MaddenRaider, in actuality I was not comparing our DC with his father. I simply get tired of using the same descriptive phrase or name endlessly. I wrote ‘buddy’s kid’ in lieu of Rob Ryan. As for the rest… BHP #s 707 and 730 bespeak the truth.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:49 am
Morning Kobenhavn, ah, our Danish contingent has control of the site. Good.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:54 am
M…
Morning =)
Well i consider Aaron Ross just as good as many other starting CB’s, both him and Sam Madison are way better than Routt or Washington are now.
furthermore, when you have a D-line like the one NYG your CB’s gets better, so the 2 defenses can’t be compared at any roster spot.
And of course their safeties knows how to tackle, that gives them the tophand over ours, who apparently think regular season is red-shirtet
February 10th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Yes LMN, I agree with your analysis of the two defenses.
Michael Strahan said that before the SB Osi Umenyora came up to him and said, “You know, if we don’t get to the quarterback we’re going to lose.”
Put Aaron Ross and Sam Madison out there on an island for five or seven seconds and they’ll look like Philip Buchanon.
Memo to Raiders – need quality D-lineman.
February 10th, 2008 at 6:13 am
its the same old truth, with football your foundation lies on the lines…
A good offense has a good O-line, a good Defense has a good D-line.
A good O-line makes a mediocre QB decent and a decent QB fantastic. Same goes with RB’s their careers are made by the front 5.
As you said, A good D-line gives the corners enough time to take their assignments out of the game.
This is why I have no problem with giving the guards, center and tackles big money, if they are the right ones I would give anything to let them play their entire career in my franchise.
I believe more in ‘franchise linemen’ than ‘franchise QB’ or ‘franchise RB’
February 10th, 2008 at 6:22 am
LMN…
Coach Gibbs put the truth to the linemen philosophy you mentioned…
Rypien, Williams, Theisman…
plug & play quarterbacks…
Gibbs wanted a QB who wouldn’t hurt him…
he was all about the blocking up front…
i’m still pissed that we traded Jim Lachey for Schroeder… unbelieveable…
February 10th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Florida Pete…
Gibbs and I agree =) LOL
that way you can control the power a QB gets, and you he cant demand so much money, which in these cap days looks good. See Brady, yeah he is a fantastic QB, but his salary will be 14mio in 2008
the same goes with the RB’s if the blocking works any RB looks good – again thats why WE shouldn’t draft McFadden…
Again NYG, Ahmad Bradshaw was a beast this year, and he was found in the 7th…
February 10th, 2008 at 6:32 am
… that way you can control the power a QB gets, then he cant demand so much money, …
February 10th, 2008 at 7:10 am
I’ll totally agree the power of a team rests in it’s line (both offense & D).
Emmitt Smith is the prime example of an above average, but no great back who was able to look awesome behind a huge line. I just wish during their careers Barry Sanders could’ve played behind Emmitt’s line.
As for the Gibbs comment, Rypien a Washington State QB won a Super Bowl!! He got paid after winning the SB only to go to back to sucking.
February 10th, 2008 at 7:20 am
LMN: Look at Clinton Portis’s numbers his first two years in Denver: http://www.nfl.com/players/clintonportis/profile?id=POR792942
He was a beast with 15 & 14 TD’s. Last season our combined totals for rushing was 11 TD’s COMBINED.
Even in the zone there’s a big enough difference between a good back like Fargas & a awesome like Portis.
Obviously I want Dorsey with the first pick provided we don’t sign a big FA DT.
If we do sign a DT then we are in a conundrum of sorts. Some would say that are depth with Richardson, Burgess, Clemons, & Brayton is definitely good enough. On the other hand, people will say that our rushing is good enough.
In my opinion a great DT can make our whole D so much better. If a great DT is getting double teamed, everyone on else on the line will do so much better and the rest of the D will follow suit.
The LB’s won’t have 300 lb lineman in their faces and can flow to the ball. The secondary would then only have to be in coverage 2-5 seconds compared to 5-7.
A great DT will make the rest of our players on D look so much better.
However, a great RB will make Russell’s life easier and provide the offense with quick strike ability or FEAR.
February 10th, 2008 at 7:53 am
DRAFT MCFADDEN!
February 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Today’s goal: Go for a two mile brisk walk. Get out of the house fellas, before blood clots form in your legs and travel to your lungs and give you a pulmonary embolism.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
DSM, your post 752 was something I would’ve liked to have seen as well. Emmit was a good running back behind an all-pro line. When I think back to ‘Sweetness’, for most of his career his O-line was not exceptional, his teams had no QB worth a damn until MacMahon came along and everybody on the planet knew that Walter was going to carring the load; and he still performed. I was sad when Smith broke his record because of all that I just wrote. Now, if Sanders had stayed in the game and accomplished the same I would not have been sad at all. Barry had to run without those all pro linemen and without much help just as Payton had.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Dakota, how’s the weather? Brisk? Beautiful sunny day here in the Bay Area. Outdoor weather.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:09 am
the outside? whats that?
February 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am
LMN, in Denmark its the grey stuff between the buildings.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Muhahahaha, true…
oh well i can see a beautiful purple sunset from my window
February 10th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Dakota
Done…just got back from walking my puppy, not 2 miles but a few blocks, hopefully that´s enough because I don´t plan to move my butt anymore today.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am
hell, M, if barry sanders played out his career it would have been sick to see how many yards he would’ve ended up with.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Our next LT!!!
–”The Steelers anticipate T Max Starks leaving in free agency.
Starks can play both right and left tackle, but it seems unlikely that a team would hand over their QB’s blind side to him without competition. Of course, the same could’ve been said for Damion McIntosh at this time last year. Starks is currently recovering from a torn meniscus in his knee.
Feb. 10 – 11:42 a.m. ET
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette”–
February 10th, 2008 at 8:51 am
–”As expected, Raiders DE Tyler Brayton voided the remaining years on his rookie contract and is now an unrestricted free agent.
Brayton has done little since being a first-round pick in 2003, but has experience at outside linebacker, defensive end, and defensive tackle. That type of versatility will intrigue teams like the Patriots, Ravens, and Dolphins.
Feb. 10 – 11:31 a.m. ET
Source: Boston Globe”–
February 10th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Man, Jim Zorn…I guess we can´t say much since Lane Kiffin was probably a more shocking hire, but at least Kiffin is young and with great future.
Zorn is 55 already and never even a coordinator, I´d be bummed if I were a Redskins fan.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I know i said all year we don’t need him, but if he doesn’t want tt be in Pittsburgh – I would welcome him, but the money could be spend on a much more needed post
–”The Steelers plan to make one last call to G Alan Faneca’s agent.
Faneca and the Steelers engaged in a public battle of words during training camp last year because the team wouldn’t extend his deal. Faneca, 31, is fully expected to hit the free agent market on February 29.
Feb. 10 – 11:38 a.m. ET
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette”–
February 10th, 2008 at 8:58 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 8:51 am
–”As expected, Raiders DE Tyler Brayton voided the remaining years on his rookie contract and is now an unrestricted free agent.
Brayton has done little since being a first-round pick in 2003, but has experience at outside linebacker, defensive end, and defensive tackle. That type of versatility will intrigue teams like the Patriots, Ravens, and Dolphins.
Feb. 10 – 11:31 a.m. ET
Source: Boston Globe”–
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no it won’t…
he sees a diminished role in the future with the raiders and knows he will never get big money unless he is allowed to line up alongside a big time tackle who is getting double teamed…
that’s where he will land — and not for big money…
February 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Bob Marley…
Be bummed if we were redskins fans….
they had one of the coachingstaffs with the best credentials last year, Gibbs, Saunders and Williams..
Greg Williams now is in Jackosnville, Saunders in st. louis!? and gibbs has re-retired…
Our coachingstaff is better and has more merit
February 10th, 2008 at 9:01 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I know i said all year we don’t need him, but if he doesn’t want tt be in Pittsburgh – I would welcome him, but the money could be spend on a much more needed post
–”The Steelers plan to make one last call to G Alan Faneca’s agent.
Faneca and the Steelers engaged in a public battle of words during training camp last year because the team wouldn’t extend his deal. Faneca, 31, is fully expected to hit the free agent market on February 29.
Feb. 10 – 11:38 a.m. ET
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette”–
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i wouldn’t budget any more money than i have to on a guard… we already have an overpriced guard…
what we need, is an underpriced Left Tackle….
February 10th, 2008 at 9:02 am
FLPete…
yeah we know better, but i could see him as a backup in NE… I wouldn’t mind that at all =)
I just copy/pasted it =)
February 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Wesley Britt is the guy we should be seriously looking at…
especially, since compensation will not apply…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:05 am
oh, yeah… i knew it was an FYI…
nothing against you…
just yammering…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:08 am
honestly…
there are only two free agents that intrigue me…
Wesley Britt, backup offensive tackle in Mew England…
Corey Williams, Defensive Tackle, in Green Bay…
neither, if signed, would require compensation of any real substance…
and both would walk into a starting role…
i think…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Hey Great Raider Fans of America,Defense,Defense,Defense.We need Defense more than we need offense,sorry Dakota its the truth.The Quarter Back must go DOWN HARD.Drafting Mcfadden this year makes no sense.It’s not like he’s Adrian Peterson.Peterson did his thing with a so-so front line in college.Mcfadden reminds me of the Ron Dayne situation,great front-line great STATS.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
yeah i know a lot of guys bitch about a highpriced guard. Its Max Starks I want, I dont care about much else, than him. But people should get used to the fact that the o-linemen are becoming the skill-personel – and the money follows. Remember what we talked about earlier. I’ve been against faneca all year, because i think Gallery can become just as good, with a real LT besides him. Plus that Faneca is a power guard, and we need finesse guards.
to sum up, I want Starks to be our first FA acquisition.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
This much is clear: the national perception is Oakland has been, and remains, a devastating wreck. From stories about Kiffin’s failed attempt to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan to Davis stripping Kiffin of power in a recent letter, the Raiders make it easy to understand why, at 19-61, they have been the worst NFL team of the past half-decade.
Be sure, perception counts for something. When Randy Moss is bashing the organization during Super Bowl week, and former players like Ray Buchanan do the same on NFL Network, their opinions carry weight with other players. One personnel official conceded this is making it that much tougher for the Raiders to re-sign their own free agents, let alone convince top players to come here from elsewhere when the free agent market opens at the end of February.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Hey Brooke Joseph…
oh sorry, i’ll shut up =)
February 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
LMN….I didn’t get the whole Redskins deal myself….What they were doing was working and I really thought it was a no-brainer to promote Saunders and hire a young OC . . .At least try it for a year as Zorn wasn’t on anyones head coach hot sheet…He would have been available next year.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
–”The Boston Herald calls Virginia DE Chris Long a “dream candidate” for the Patriots with the No. 7 overall pick.
They would have to trade up to get him, something the Patriots are not known for doing. The Herald mentions Ohio Sate DE/OLB Vernon Gholston as another possibility at No. 7. If the Pats lose Asante Samuel in free agency, USF CB Mike Jenkins and Troy CB Leodis McKelvin could be of interest.
Feb. 10 – 12:02 p.m. ET
Source: Boston Herald”–
yeah rite! he’ll never drop below 5th
February 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
and where are those folks who bought out their contracts???
Pro Bowl… uh, nope…
Super Bowl… not there either…
i wouldn’t want anyone who doesn’t want to be here…
it’s money that matters… and that’s what attracts free agents…
the raiders have been rebuilding for the past five years, and sometimes jumping the gun… signing big time free agents prior to being truly ready for them…
people who see what’s happening around the league can see the raiders are a team on the rise…
this is an extremely young team…
this team will be a force within two years and then remain a force for the next 5-8 years…
oh, and nobody gives a rip what Randy “no” Moss says…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am
jh…
me too, all the talk about Greg Williams being HC, i didn’t believe, because when Saunders left KC the reports were Saunders were to inherit the team after Gibbs…
and now they got nothing =)
February 10th, 2008 at 9:21 am
sorry if you guys think i’m spamming =) I just think the news is relevant to some of the talks that have been going on on this blog….
February 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
FLPete…
yeah Money matters, and we are on the rise… every big name in the books have a story where they come to a not so good team and makes it good… why not be the guy that was a cornerstone in the resurrection of an old franchise…
If i was a player, it would be intriguing
February 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
That Max Starks lost his job to some Willie Colon dude…I just think that the staff is looking for certain qualities at OL, don´t know if Starks fits the bill.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Hey La Milicia Negra,it’s all good.We want the best situation for our Raiders.I do respect your opinion.There’s no need to shut up.We’er all RAIDERS and we need to respect other raider fans opinions.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Bob Marley…
Starks lost it to an injury, and when colon did a okay job they wouldn’t let Starks go back in
February 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Florida Pete – The Florida sun has fried your brain and the sad unfortunate result is…
a another man who cannot deal with REALITY.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
also…
signing Max Starks would require some compensation…
not extraordinary… i think a 3rd rounder…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Brooke Joseph…
yeah I know, couldn’t help myself “Hey Great Raider Fans of America,Defense,Defense,Defense.We need Defense more than we need offense” just sounded so definitive so i had to react =)
February 10th, 2008 at 9:42 am
REALITY Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Florida Pete – The Florida sun has fried your brain and the sad unfortunate result is…
a another man who cannot deal with REALITY.
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anyone who does not believe in the future greatness of the Raiders simply is not a Raider fan…
and therefore a troll…
how’s that, Mr Real Estate…
February 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I look at it this way, we have already spent our 3rd rounder this year on Mario Henderson, I´m hoping he comes to camp ready to battle for a starting spot.
I read before that he didn´t play football until his second year in high school and that he used to weight like 380 before he became a football player.
The kid has shown ability, Charlie Casserly said he did a great job when matched up against Gaines Adamas and Jarvis Moss in college.
”I thought the next couple of picks were pretty interesting. OT Mario Henderson played well against first-round picks Gaines Adams and Jarvis Moss in college. I liked this pick in the third round.”
That´s Casserly.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
The pure theory that defenses win championships is for the most part correct. However, no D is going to win a championship without an offense.
Our D isn’t needing a complete overhaul to make it good. We only need one stud DT, better SS, and possible DC. If Ryan can’t do it with a big line, then he won’t do it anywhere. The talent’s there, but there’s no consistency.
As for our offense, if we have a D that can be ranked 15th or higher, than adding DMac and a WR could do wonders.
The last team to be able to be #1 as both an offensive & defensive team was San Francisco. It’s impossible to do it now via FA.
If you can be like Dallas in the ’90s with a high powered offense and a D that does it job you can obviously win a lot.
I’d rather focus on a stud offense and adequate D rather than the other way around.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
YOU KNOW most of you people are not really raider folk, you’re not even smart!
you dont even know why why your own team is 4-12 every year!!
well in 2003 it was strictly due to injuries!
namely @ qb GANNON , THE BEST IN GAME @ TIME! ,
but 2004 2005 2006 2007 last 4 years ! ,
it has been DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!!!WHICH MEANS RYAN RYAN RYAN RYAN !!!!!
RYAN GOT TURNER FIRED ! IT’S THAT EASY,
STOP THERE IN HISTORY! IF RYAN ISNT SUCH A SCUMBAG! I THINK TURNER MITE STILL BE THERE!!! ( no negative on norv please!he was .500@wash, & now a winner @ sdiego! hes’only been a looser
here cause of ryan)
it is pathetic reading a few of the posts!
well we need better”def tackle better safteys better lbrs’ better cbs’ “etc!
well we dont need any talent !!
WE JUST NEED A NEW DEF CORDINATOR! NOW NOW NOW!! AND YEAH WE CAN USE SOME OF YOU FANS TO GET OUT TO!!!
O,.K. OH BTW THE ONLY GUY TO TAKE IS MCFADDEN PREDICATED ON HIM BEING USED @ HB 15ATTS, X-WR 2-REC , SLOT FLANKER/TE!2-REC, AND 4 RUN ATTS OUT OF REVERSES,KICKOFF RETURNS,PUNTRETURNS!! THIS GUY WILL ACCOUNT 2 MORE TDS A GAME IN ADDTIION TO WHAT WE HAVE
NOW! THAT IS ALL THE DIFFERNCE!IN WORLD! WE COULD 16-0 W/ MCFADDEN!!!! IDIOTS NEED NOT RESPOND, JUST REMEMBER IVE BEEN RITE SINCE 1973!!! SO LET ME GO ANOTHER 25 YEARS B4 YOU DOPES FIGURE IT OUT!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I wouldn’t give a 3rd Rounder as compensation for Max Starks. Forget it! That’s a stupid rule, because I bet you we could pick him up for a 3rd straight up.
And why is Chris Long a dream pick for The “Boston” Patriots? Probably because he’s white.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Milicia…
According to the Pitt media, it didn´t happen like that:
”Willie Colon spent last preseason fighting for a roster spot. He has spent this one competing for a starting position, and all signs point to the 6-3, 315-pounder wresting the right tackle job from incumbent Max Starks.”
Apprently, he did win it straight up since he started the season at RT and stayed there.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Townsend93 are we dopes because we don’t get the concept of “Ryanitis” or because we don’t see the naunces in your E.E. Cummings style of prose?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Bob Marley – That’s Casserley a YEAR ago.
Since then Henderson has made ZERO progress.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am
P.S. How in the heck does Tyler Brayton feel entitled to get the “big money”? Based on what? His “motor” ? ha ha…….get a life Tyler.
We have 3 linemen (Clemmons, Brayton and Kelly) who are free agents …and Burgess who wants more money. Burgess is on the way down, Kelly got injured, Clemmons is a one year 8 sack wonder and Brayton is a 1st round bust. I my vision of the world, they should all be grateful to be in Oakland where the actually have a chance to get playing time.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Reality, in everyday usage, means “the state of things as they actually exist.” [1] [2] The term reality, in its widest sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible
February 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
That´s right REALITY and maybe he never will, but you don´t know that and neither do I.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Reality…because reality is observable it is therefore subjective in some instances. Are you here to teach us what reality means and what you think it is? Or what?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
i once heard Don Imus say about his staff:
“there must be a way to get all new people…”
do you think Keith Millard has said the same thing???
February 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Florida Pete..whether Millard wants to or not, he better get cracking on that project!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I’m getting the feeling reality is not welcome here.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
i can see it now…
Round One: Defensive Tackle
Round Two: Defensive End
Round Four: Defensive Tackle
Round Six: Defensive End
Round Seven: Wide Receiver (only because it’s what we do)
February 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Lets see – Brayton’s adios, Sapp retires, Sands is a joke so far, Warren is sometimy, and Kelly is coming off a major injury that may take more than a year before he’s truly back to normal. What do we do? Draft McFadden! Riiighhht… – they’ll be a smart move.
At the rate this line is falling apart, ignoring any potential FA signings, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 1st 2 picks go to defense. I wouldn’t be disappointed either although I would love for the 2nd pick to go to OLT.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Funny how people are taking on their own little projects for the OL…
Pete wants Britt, Milicia wants Starks and I want to take a flyer on Kwame Harris.
My guess is none of them will get a sniff from the team…lol.
But this is what blogs and the offseason are here for.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
jeebus Charger fan (aka reality)
you spent on awful lot of time working up to that punchline…
February 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete…maybe not…if we “sign Hollinsworth” and “move Thomas Howard to safety” which I understand are done deals according to the Peanut Gallery.
*sarcastic smile*
February 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Bob Marley – Blogs in the offseason are here for…
WASTING YOUR LIFE.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am
ever since i was 6 years old and trading baseball cards…
maris, mantle and ford were the king of all kings back then…
i have had fun with my friends playing at and second guessing general managers…
it’s what fans do…
and i’ll be doing it till i’m ninety…
that’s what i like about this site…
we’re all GMs!!!!
cue the delusion of grandeur post by some super special know it all….
February 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Reality for the Chargers is having an MVP surrounded by a star studded defense and pro bowl riddled roster only to cough up a furball in the playoffs 2 years in a row, and watch themselves descend into Hell lead by a pock marked coach and a creepy “fun bunch” of roid ragers performing a Merrimann sack dance while LT looks like his about to sob on the sidelines.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Reality blogs in the offseason are never a waste of one’s life if you’re a real fan for a team you follow all the time; especially when The King of Queens is the best show on t.v.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
ya know what townsend, im startin to think youre alright,! there might be 3 or 4 ok normal ones! but that is it!
hey ryan folk answer this quiz! what is strong side / weak side of defense mean!!?? and also this team has the worst record in nfl last 4 years,they also have the worst defense collectivly in same period of time ! true or false and then who is this team?????
anyway gettin back to what a retard ryan is!and he and he alone is the reason why we are the worst team in nfl since 2003 ! cause weve had the worst defense since then!!!! you idiots!!!!!
hey town whadda think of this,
if i were running this d, which i should be !
i would play a 3-4 look & then rotate ruhing 4-7 very down!! williams off the solbr corner ,
then put nahmdi over te in man tite!
routt @ yds over z guy ,
huff @fresfty, 7yard playing man vs x-wideout!
fabian playing short zone under -x- & watching cross routes from strong side ,
then dog #53 out of the “3tech lbr” ,
morrison either dog , or cover hb/fb out of bfield! then down 3 are kelly@sde, #61 warren,@ ng,
sands@ wdt, w/ burgess @ wolbr down or uprite either way! dont matter.
this way we over balance on strong side vs run & have the speed on the weak side! this def also has 2-3 traps on field every down!!
now watch towny no one
other then you and a few others will even understand any of this , i will hope not !that way i know i am doing something right!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
REALITY..
That makes two of us then.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am
REALITY Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Bob Marley – Blogs in the offseason are here for…
WASTING YOUR LIFE.
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wow, sorry dude…
don’t be so hard on yourself…
you can go outside if you want to…
February 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am
SoulPatrol that’s cute that you agree with the other person living inside your head LOL
February 10th, 2008 at 10:14 am
talking to one’s self is really not a bad thing…
answering one’s self is really not too strange…
but if you answer yourself with the question… “what??? what was that???…”
you might have a problem…
February 10th, 2008 at 10:15 am
REALITY can be difficult deal with.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Mr reality…
this is not a therapy site…
Dr Phil is down the hall…
February 10th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Florida Pete – Don’t be afraid of REALITY.
REALITY is not welcome on Dr. Phil.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:27 am
daaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!! i knew it !!!! illiterate to !! wow!!
they actuallY have themselves convinced that RYAN IS GRITTY &A GOOD MAN!!!
AND THE STATS & RECORDS OF THIS DOPE SINCE 04 ISNT IMPORTANT, JUST SO LONG AS HE GOES UNSHAVEN ,NO HAIR CUT!!! AND TALKS STUPID!! AND KEEPS THE “IAM RECOVERING FROM ” SCURVY” LOOK! HE LOOKS LIKE A RAIDER!!!! WOW!!!!!!!DELUSIONAL IS UNDERSTATEMENT!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:28 am
REALITY has left the building…
Back to geeks babbling about the draft.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Did you guys see this article on Jared Allen?
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_8222779
I know the Chiefs will probably Franchise him, but it would be nice if we could somehow sign him.
As for our defensive situation…I think we are closer than most people think. A player or two here and there…a tweak or two to the scheme …and most of all players making plays!!! Great defenses TACKLE!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Well, reality, that’s because we’re just a couple of draft picks away from greatness, again. Isn’t that what 5 straight last place seasons would indicate?
February 10th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Awwwwwwww. I wanted to get into it with reality. I hate when great philosophical entities come in here and then leave before I get a chance to discuss football related stuff. Do you think this was Kant’s reality, or possibly Hegels reality????? Maybe even Buddhist reality. What is reality???? Are we all really here blogging away???
The dumbest part about what reality says is smart teams build thru the draft anyway. Once you’re a winner, then you can pick up good pieces thru free agency, but think about it, if you have a guy who’s starting quality, you’re gonna let him go??
February 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
WoW, I could be wrong but wasn’t it Al Davis (of all people) that gave John Madden the opportunity to become what he is in the ranks of great NFL coaches???
Maybe you need a new user name there MaddenRaider!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Say Copenhagen, the smartest guy in here is that Oakglenn guy!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I thought this blog was the best show on TV
February 10th, 2008 at 10:53 am
SP2, #814 you’re just saying play a straight 50 3/4 defense. We don’t have the personnel for that!! No you’re right, we have the exact personnel for that it’s just everything is Ryans fault. I forgot.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
if only ryan could tackle…
February 10th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Bo jacks, Ithink the key to this defense is Thomas Howard. Howard seemed to have his pass assigments down, but REALLY lacked in his run assingments. Between him and huff, there’s some of the problem right there.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:57 am
LOL, I was about to respond, Simpleton, till I saw your screen name. Got ya…
Hey, my mother gave me a box with a bunch of my old stuff in it yesterday, and in there was a pro wrestling book from the ’80s. Just skimming through this thing, I found a page that said the following:
“Is wrestling fake? I hear this question a lot, and it really bothers me.
You tell me; Is Jimmy Snuka flying from the top turn buckle and landing on someone fake?
Is Paul Orndorff putting an opponents head between his knees and driving him to the ground fake?
Is Andre the Giant throwing an opponent across the ring fake?
So, obviously, the answer is NO. Wrestling is not fake. What you’re watching is the real deal.”
^^^^ Who wants to bet whoever wrote this book is working for the Raiders PR department now, and probably posts in this comments section?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am
MaddenRaider
Don´t leave me hanging man, I´m expecting a comeback on posts 724 and 726…
February 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Bob right now MaddenRaider is trying to look up the answer to that on his Madden08 xbox game. That’s where ALL his football knowledge comes from. The xbox. It might take him awhile.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
MaddenRaider never responds—it’s beyond his mental capacity to justify, or rationally defend his thoughts.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Look at us! We’re a freaking 4-12 team for Godsakes and we’re breaking down free agents, we’re working trades, breaking down the draft, kicking off the spunk munchers, going thru coverage schemes, doing everything to try to be a better team and a better fan base. That what winners do. They do the things it takes to win. That’s why we’re all winners here, and we’re gonna be winners again. Shortly.
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IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!
The reality is PoakedGlenn, you are a “gutless punk, idiot loser” suffering from delusionns of grandeur.
Go back to San diego.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Well at least we now know who reality is. An absolute loser idiot, who keeps my posts. I appreciate you have so much time for me and my ideas. actually, I’m honored. I posted that awhile ago. Quite noble of you to keep that. Now you can crawl back under whatever scum covered rock you came from slime.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Marley, it’s just an extended version of the typical take on the Gruden team, from the Al-can-do-no-wrong crowd.
The multi headed monster that made that offense work consisted of:
1) Rich Gannon (Gruden)
2) Tim Brown (Davis)
3) Jerry Rice (Gruden…Rice would not have come here if we weren’t already succeeding in west coast system)
4) Charlie Garner (Gruden)
5) Jerry Porter (Davis)
6) Tyrone Wheatley (Gruden)
7) “The Committee” Kirby, R. Jordan, etc (Gruden. Even if signed by Davis, they rot on the bench in a Davis oriented offense)
Gruden’s play calling. Although not HOF worthy, obviously a HUGE upgrade from what we were calling before his arrival.
So, without Gruden, we have Timmy and Jerry Porter.
Who’s our quarterback?
Jeff George, Marley, that’s who.
Jeff George has potential, but in the vertical game offense we would have ran if Bugel stayed on, or if Shell were rehired in ‘98? 4-12. 4-12 4-12.
Sure, Al Davis drafted or acquired the majority of players on the roster, but what about the players that made us winners? It’s not just the players you draft, it’s what you draft them to do. Honestly, you could give Al Davis Rich Gannon, Charlie Garner, and Jerry Rice, with Gruden never having been here, and Davis would have bungled it.
Rich Gannon would be begging for his ticket out of town mid season, after about his 30th sack. You guys would be calling him a wuss. Bugel, Shell, or whatever puppet Davis had as our coach would be firing arrows at him in press conferences.
Garner would never get the ball, and you know it. He would get running calls in between the deep hook and post passing plays we’d be calling 3 out of every 4 downs, and get shattered at the line of scrimmage by blitzers.
Rice would be ineffective. He, like Gannon, would probably air his problems to the press. Rice would probably talk George into hitting him on slant plays, and Davis would have him benched for it, despite those plays resulting in our first substantial drive of the season.
Considering Ron Wolf’s success in Green Bay as well, it’s pretty obvious that Al Davis doesn’t build winning teams, he destroys them.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
BTW, reality sucks. Everyone knows that.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
BTW, that happy face next to Gruden’s play calling was meant to be a number 8. You do the 8 with this: ) , and you get a smiley face.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:25 am
PoakedGlenn- You can’t expect REALITY to go away.
You have to deal with it.
Winner.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Anyone want to go for a ride???
February 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am
We are dealing with it. That’s what we’re doing here. Some of these trolls are getting stupider and stupider.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
This is kinda cool. The Raider have a QB, the Raiders have another high draft choice, the Raiders have bottomed out, you can see the panic starting to settle in to the trolls like this reality idiot. Let’s see, Dischargers, leaking oil, no draft choices, internal dissention, they’ve peaked. Buncos, really circling the drain. Cheats, they have no hope. Trolls, getting nervous and crapping their pants.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
The primary fault of our LB’s & secondary falls on the should of Millard, but ultimately falls on the shoulder of Ryan (in terms of D).
Another Defensive line coach should’ve been to get more consistent production out of the guys we had. I really haven’t heard much about him as a coach but I do know as a player he was awesome & fired up all the time. He played college ball at WSU.
QB’s pick apart our secondary because they have so much time to pass and not worry about a sack.
Until we get a pass rush it doesn’t really matter who we have as a LB or SS because having to constantly battle 300 + lb lineman every down will eventually wear even a great defense down.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
BTW, MaddenRaider, Rice was a Davis choice.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
DSM, I like the way you think.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Marley, let’s get serious here:
Gruden has won his division and been to the playoffs twice since taking Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl. And, he did at least get Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl. Even though Dungy deserves most of the credit, had Gruden tanked in ‘02 with that team, the Davis crowd would certainly point it out. So it’s only fair to point out that Gruden did the best he possibly could with that team. He won the Super Bowl.
Al Davis has been in last place every single season since ‘02.
Do you really think the person who builds our ‘00-’02 team tanks ever single season between ‘03 and ‘07? All five seasons? Wouldn’t the person who’s seen success since that time more than likely be the person to credit?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Oakglenn, don’t be a fool. Rice would have never come here if it weren’t for Gruden’s system. Could you imagine Rice coming here to play with Jeff George and Joe Bugel? Running hooks and posts and getting annihilated by safeties play after play, after an entire career of slants, crosses, and selective deep routes? Get real.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:43 am
You’re right MaddenRaider. Of course Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott wouldn’t have come to Oakland either. Now you can go back to your xbox.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
MaddenRaider, if you take the Tampa Bay Super Bowl season out, Gruden is like 8 games UNDER .500 there. If he didn’t get to the playoffs this last year, and the only reason he did was every other team in that division had bad, bad years, he probably would’ve been outta there. The shine is certainly off that guy. Back to xbox dude.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
The fool writes:
“You’re right MaddenRaider. Of course Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott wouldn’t have come to Oakland either. Now you can go back to your xbox.”
…….
What do Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott have to do with any of this?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am
The fool writes:
“MaddenRaider, if you take the Tampa Bay Super Bowl season out, Gruden is like 8 games UNDER .500 there. ”
…..
Is that better or worse than Al Davis’s record since the Super Bowl year?
The point is that Gruden had more to do with building our ‘00-02 team than Davis did. Pay attention.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
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February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
They came to Oakland with out Jon Gruden didn’t they????? As a matter of fact Joe freaking Montana was gonna come here, before KC ripped him from us. I heard that from Joes own mouth. You don’t know much do you???? Back to xbox dude.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
poakedglenn loves to argue with men. MaddenRaider and Reality yall are wasting your time with that thing! It is nothing more than a charger girl looking for
2balls!lol lol lol
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
actually, gruden’s record is right at .500 (counting the Super Bowl season), since leaving the raiders…
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Oakglenn, did you write a book about pro wrestling in the ’80s?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am
No he didn’t imbecile. Davis built those teams, obviously with Grudens imput. Look at Grudens track record now, now that all of Dungys players are gone, all those great players Dungy had, Gruden has his own guys in there what was he???? Yep 4-12. And like Marley said yesterday, where are all the players he drafted who should be reaching there prime????? I can tell you where they are. They’re selling insurance in Houston, Tx. And we’re all here to pick up the pieces.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am
back to xbox dude
That sounds so feminine around a bunch of men!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Only you would be reading books about pro wrestling. Shows your mentality, dude. Maybe the xbox can teach you more about football.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
The now completely senile fool writes:
“As a matter of fact Joe freaking Montana was gonna come here, before KC ripped him from us. I heard that from Joes own mouth.”
……….
I’m sure the Al Davis deep hook and deep post offense was really tempting for Joe Cool, after a decade of HOF success in a west coast system… And you accuse me of getting my football knowledge from video games? It’s now noted that you get your football knowledge from crazy voices in your head.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
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February 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Pete, that’s why I was saying. Take the Super Bowl season out, where obviously he was playing with Dungy’s players and had a huge amount of momentum he didn’t provide. He jumped on a winning ship. Take that year out, and where is he??
February 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Oak, I was reading books about pro wrestling, and believing Al Davis was a great owner, when I was a kid. I’ve outgrown both delusions.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Talk to Montana, don’t talk to me. You’re an imbecile. You really are. You’re the dumbest person BY FAR. Really, head and shoulders above every one else. Proven time and time again. You have Joe Montana say that isn’t true, not you.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
MaddenRaider please leave that chic alone. You are paying her so much attention
February 10th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
The fool writes:
“Look at Grudens track record now, now that all of Dungys players are gone, all those great players Dungy had, Gruden has his own guys in there what was he???? Yep 4-12.”
………..
Gruden won his division last year. Learn how to navigate to a website with NFL division standings, so you’ll have a source other than Bob Marley, and the voices in your head, you know, the ones that convinced you Joe Montana seriously considered signing with the Raiders in the heyday of their ‘vertical meltdown’.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
By the way Unknown
Who all actually PoakedGlenn?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
MaddenRaider
Allright, let´s agree that Gruden did a fine job with Dungy´s team, you make a fair point there. Besides, Gruden is a fine coach, I never said he´s not.
But, since 2003, Gruden´s record is 36-46 including 2 playoff losses at home. He´s won the Division twice, but it should be noted that from 03 to 07, the team that finished last went on to win it the following season.
That should tell us about the unpredictable nature of that Division and if that 5 year trend continues Gruden is facing a last place finish next year (I don´t see it, but that´s what´s been happening).
Granted, our record is much worse and I can only wish we´ve won 2 Divisions even if it was followed by quick playoff exits.
But we were an older team built that maxed out in 02, we fell apart quickly because of it, Gruden had a Super Bowl winning team at it´s prime, hell they should have remained a contender for at least 2 to 3 more years but they didn´t.
Did Gruden destroy it?.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
The now certifiably insane fool writes:
“Talk to Montana, don’t talk to me. You’re an imbecile. You really are. You’re the dumbest person BY FAR. Really, head and shoulders above every one else. Proven time and time again. You have Joe Montana say that isn’t true, not you.”
………
You really should get help for those voices in your head. There’s medication available. And, when you do, take Al Davis with you.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Whatever MaddenRaider, not worth my time. What did I say. He was 4-12, the Falcons, Ain’ts and Panthers all fell off the universe, an dhe got in the playoffs with a 9-7 record only to get pasted at home, in the first round. There’s your hero. You are a dumb person, MaddenRaider.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
In fact, those Bucs should have at least one more ring if you ask me.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Talk to Joe, don’t talk to me. Talk to your pro wrestling books and your xbox. That’s where all your knowledge comes from. Maddenraider plays with wrestling dolls. Play with your xbox and wrestling dolls
February 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Marley, the point I made is that Gruden had more to do with the success of our team between ‘00-02 than Davis did.
Now please, take Oakglenn to the hospital. He’s losing it.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
By the way Unknown
Who all actually PoakedGlenn
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His own mother poaked it. lol lol Nation
February 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Raider Nation anyone want some???
February 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Raiders needs:
Dominant D Tackle
Wide Rec with Speed to get Verticle
Best Available in 3rd
Another OLineman
Learn how to manage a game
February 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
MaddenRaider
Finally…..Would you trade our current roster and overall situation as a team for Tampa Bay´s?.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
MaddenRaider, you’re just a dumb person. When you can’t prove something, they’re a liar, or dadada. What is wrong with you??? Montana goes to the Catholci church in downtown Healdsburg. he was probably just there. Go talk to him. Don’t talk to me. There is something wrong with you. You should go get help, like these other guys who would come here and try to make a mess. Nobody cares what any of them think. And you are universally reviled as being an imbecile, by everyone. And you prove it constantly.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Oakglenn, you keep it up and they’re going to put you in a cage at the State Fair, and make people pay to watch you talk about Joe Montana signing with the Raiders.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
MaddenRaider
”Marley, the point I made is that Gruden had more to do with the success of our team between ‘00-02 than Davis did.”
Yeah, I know, we deviated a bit and of course we will not agree on the original point… So, I´d say there´s not much more to argue there.
Hey who was that GG fella from the other day? I liked what he had to say, he should stop by more often.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
It is nuts that you guys are bickering about this topic. John Gruden is a great coach, but it really does prove to be seen what he can do without Davis. Gruden’s record in that week division speaks for itself.
It would be interesting to see what our record would be if we had consistency at head coach. I am guessing that Callahan could have amassed a 36-46 record if given the chance. Not that I would want him coaching the Raiders. But the fact is, Davis is too worried about swinging for the fences.
So there you have Finkle is Einhorn!
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Madden….
You still have to answer 883 by the way…
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Bob, why would you waste your time with this guy???? He doesn’t know anything, he’s never known anything, he’s never gonna know anything, he just wants to bitch, the last five years, the last five years, the last five years, that’s all we hear from this imbecile. That’s all we’ve EVER heard from him. Nothing of any value.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
MaddenRaider – Poakedglen is beneath you and does not deserve the attention of a knowlegeable Raider fans.
The reality is Poakedglenn is a little girl, and we as Raider fans must resist the temptation to b!tch slap him at every opportunity because we must learn to repect our woman.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Bob, he never answers. He runs away. He demands you answer his stupid questions, but never answers yours. My point was Gruden got his guys in there and the last two years has been 4-12 and 9-7. And the reason he’s 9-7 and went to the playoffs to get pasted, was every team in his division fell off the planet. Whats imbeciles response????? I’m lying about Montana. OoooooooKay. Why would I lie about something like that??? What would I have to gain?????? Did he answer the ??? Of course not. He’s an imbecile.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
MaddenRaider
Finally…..Would you trade our current roster and overall situation as a team for Tampa Bay´s?.
……..
A ha! I’ve been around too long to fall for that one, Marley. If I say yes, then you’ll say that I should just be a Tampa Bay fan.
Save those trick questions for the newbies, Marley. I’m an O.G. Davis basher…
But if you were to ask me specifically; Would I rather have Jon Gruden making our personnel decisions than Al Davis, I would say absolutely. Jon Gruden, although no future HOF’er, is far more in tune with the modern day game than Al Davis is.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Reality I am so honored that you have made me your lifes work. Thank you for coming here and spending so much of your life here on me. Even tho everything you say is stupid and useless, I’m am soooo glad I am the center of your attention. Thank you Slime.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Did he answer the question. No. Why would he. Bob you’re wasting your time with that loser.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Oakglenn, keep going. They’re going to put you in the same tent as the bearded lady. And even she’ll be laughing at your delusions of Montana signing with the Raiders.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Reality is that all you have?????? Come on, Reality, you don’t have anything else???? Weak.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Oh yeh, I’m going to really answer a question that either backs me from my position, or makes me out to be an undercover Buc fan. It’s a trick question, and I’m no trick. But I’ll stand by my original point, the only point I’ve made today (aside from determining Oakglenn has completely lost his mind), and that is that Jon Gruden is more to credit for our success earlier this decade than Al Davis is.
Simple as that.
Sincerely,
old Raider fan that doesn’t fall for the Davis spin.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I like that MaddenRaider
Cage that trick its nothing but an animal anyway
February 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The only delusion going on here MaddenRaider is that you think you know anything. That’s the one proven fact we can all agree on. The more you open your mouth the more foolish you look. Do what you do best, MR, run away. That’s what you do best. Run MR run….
February 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
That’s it MR. Once again the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. If I answer any question it can be turned around so I look like something. How gutless. What a total waste of time, this guy is. Wow. What a waste of time. What a joke.
And No, Davis brought in Rice, Brown and Romanowski, the Hall of Famers who led that team. So no, Davis did build that team.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
I’ve been missing all of the fun. Ms. poakedglenn is cramping again. That failure has nothing better to do on a Sunday but yap yap. We been noticed she craves attention and will go to any length, I mean any to get the comfort of a Man!
February 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Oakglenn -Montana with the Raiders?
I always knew you were the dumbest poster on this blog but this time you’ve outtdone yourself.
I think you should take sometime and ask yourself, why does everyone hate me? Am I really that ignorant? Take your time and ask people you trust.
In the meantime I would like to nominate Oakglenn as the most ignorant poster on this blog.
I challenge any one of you to come up with a more ignorant poster than OAKGLENN.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Ms. PoakedGlenn
Everyone is passing you around here like a remote.
Take a look around, nobody backs you, they only rear you. SMILE babe
February 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Oakglenn
If you must know, I´m gonna tell you something I have never said here before and won´t say again…I´m a Lawyer (on a sabbatical) I can´t help it specially when I think I´m right.
MaddenRaider
Actually, I don´t play the ”other team fan” card, I had something else, but since you ”pleaded the fifth” we´ll just leave it at that.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Robert Comer
You have to have a brain to be considered ignorant.
Nobody knows what that thing is
February 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Reality, for most, is a set of ideas, illusions of a personal nature into which extraneous notions are not allowed to intrude.
According to some who will not be identified by their screen names, when the Raiders win their next division and league titles it will all be because Lane Kiffin is the greatest coach ever. Any of the games the Raiders lose in the interim will all be blamed on one Al Davis.
Reality, a set of ideas, illusions…
February 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I second the nomination.
PoakedGlen is a repetative, attention seeking little b!tch.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Ms. poakedglenn was dropped on her thighs as a baby.
She really craves pig feet for breakfast
February 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Oakglenn, you are a cool guy, don´t let some of these people get to you.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Ms. poakedglenn is auditioning for the movie
Strong Back Mountain as the 1 who could withstand 2!
lol
February 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Oakglenn, the juveniles will go away. Don’t sweat it. Their five second attention spans require feeding or boredom will set in.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Bob Marley
Oakglenn, you are a cool guy, don´t let some of these people get to you
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poakedglenn dont be fooled he just wants some of you before your cycle thats all.lol nation
February 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Bob Marley – I realize you are a profesional liar, but you have just “jumped the shark”.
PoakedGlen is a cool guy???… to quote you Marley “I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.”
February 10th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Carpe diem ciao for now
February 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
A lawyer that can’t spell?
February 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
REALITY Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Bob Marley – Blogs in the offseason are here for…
WASTING YOUR LIFE.
So First off, Reality has come in here repeatedly, blogging about me in the offseason. Can you say hypocrite. So we have Jeremy, Unknown, Charlie, and Reality has the biggest hypocrites out there. Of course Bobby Comer has never added anything as well.
I’m still here. If that’s all you guys have, you are really weak.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Leave ms. poakedglenn alone sympathizers
Its crying to KoolKell right now! HMMMM
February 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
BTW, thanks Marley, thank Oakglenn, thanks Fl. Pete, LMN, DSM
February 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
C’mon on Reality, boby comer, Jeremy, Charlie, you can go back to my place and have a ride on me. The reason he’s unknown is he doesn’t know who is dad is.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Ms. PoakedGlenn is unable to respond to any posts right now because she is blubbering to her boyfriend.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Reality, posting in the offseason is wasting your life. But you’re still here, posting in the offseason. Can you spell hypocrite????? Reality is the single definition of hypocrite!!! Nice hypocrite!!! What a hypocrite.
Is this all you guys have?????? Seriously. this is the best you can do???? You guys bore me.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Ms. poakedglenn, dont forget about Mosh Pit, Unknown Soldier of the KKA, Unknown’s Mom, raidermutt,
and the Honarable KoolKell
February 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Hey Charlie, one guy lambasted you and you melted down faster than Frosty the snowman. “ugabooga ugabooga” thats the most interesting thing Charlie has ever said.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I am Unknowns Mom.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
You guys have anything else????? C’mon Hypocrite. You must have something??? And how’s about Poked by Dudes. No wonder you guys are all together. I forgot your little spunk club. What a bunch of hypocrite losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
No. A cheap ho is unknowns mom.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Jeez Oakglenn,—are you going to tell me you didn’t know all of those posters you’ve been ignoring up until now are Kool Kell
I am impressed at how well you all ignore him.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
bobby Comer what have you ever done?????? Ever done anything positive here???
February 10th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I gotta be honest. This is boring. None of these idiots have any game. None. See ya, losers. Now once I leave all these effing losers will come back. Bye, losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
simpleton simon says hey ms. poakedglenn please poak me. Gosh I need it
February 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Ms. poakedglenn has bit-off more than she can chew.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
February 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
PoakedGlenn -Don’t bother posting under “Unknowns mom”. You’re limited vocabulary and your constant useage of the same five phrases make you TRANSPARENT.
Be a man and post under POAKEDGLEN or go back to San Diego, b!tch.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
You gutless pieces of shit come in here because you need 10 against me. Robert you’re my bitch. Eat shit dude. As for the rest of you, all your doing is restating everything I’ve stated. You’re losers. This is ridiculous. None of you have any game. Bitches.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
What else do any of you have???? I’m still here. None of you have anything. You effing bore me. All ten of you.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
OK, you guys defeated me. But, I love the attention from you idiot men. Although, some of you have really big muscles.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
OK, Let’s post under my name. See ya later, losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
That’s how you win. Post under my name and me surrender. That just shows how useless and gutless you all are. I’m glad it took 10 of you.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Bye losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I changed my mind.
Poakedglenn is a little b!tch.
I apoligize Raider Nation.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
O ohhhh poakedglenn is going to snitch and be put in PC aka as Punk City
Do you really like big
February 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
O ohhhh poakedglenn is going to snitch and be put in PC aka as Punk City
Do you really like big muscles
February 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Don’t go away Ms. PoakedGlen.
You’re still a winner in my book.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Now Ms. poakedglenn is saying someone is posting under her name. Stand up for yourself and admit you are a charger blogger and get the hell out of here. This is for die hard Raider Fanatics only
February 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Still here losers. Since you all drink each others spunk, why don’t you take you little game somewhere else. You’re boring us here.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
My doctrines are coming to fruition
February 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Ms. poakedglenn
When is your movie “Strong Back Mountain” arriving on bootlegg dvd?
February 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Guys, since yall are still here can I be #1000
Were getting close guys just keep me going. That shouldnt be hard to do. Hard, I like how that sounds
February 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
been away from this site, reading a book…
(steve berry’s “the venetian betrayal”…
fun read…
just got caught up…
shame on some of you people here, spouting trash and generally making miserable nuisances of yourselves…
in the past 36 hours, this message board has had some very good input…
and a lot of that has come from Oakglenn…
some of you have no respect for others or their opinions, and for that reason i would like you to simply go away…
we are beneath you…
we do not share your indepth knowledge…
we prefer to wallow in our ignorance…
so leave us alone… go away… shoo, shoo…
go…
February 10th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Pete, their stupid little game is over, these are losers from other teams that wanna take this site down. We’re all still here. Their stuff is just stupid stuff. We’ll go back to talking football. Shortly. No one cares what they think, or what they’re trying to do. It’s just juvenile stupid stuff. And I’m still here.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
florida pete
I’ll leave you and poakedglenn alone. Tell chargergirl to go back to her web and leave this blog at once. I dont even want you to save me some
February 10th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
i don’t think al gets enough credit for his move with gruden. if he wouldn’t have gagged so bad in the drafts it would have been even more genius. don’t get me wrong, gruden was a good coach but look at what he got for him. especially when the team was way over the hill. a perfect opportunity to build.
gruden is nothing more than average in tampa. he tried to make garcia a gannon but cmon lets get real. the NFC is garbage and they haven’t done anything noteworthy since the superbowl. and i can tell you all this.
I would much rather be in the doldrums of the NFL with a shitbag record then stuck in the slow sinking ship of 8-8 mediocrity. for about 15 years the raiders were stuck in the middle until we went 4-12 and drafted woodson the following year and eventually made it back to the super bowl. its been a long 5 years but it will be over soon and it will be over for a long time to come. i have a feeling we’ll skip the middle ground as well.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
sorry for interrupting i thought this was a football site.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Thank you 2sense. It is a football site. Some guys here unfortunately thought it was a gay porn site. Hopefully they found their way.
Great coaches turn bad teams into good teams. If I was handed the reigns of either the New York Giants or New England Patriots even I could probably coach them to a .500 or better record. That’s the point I was arguing with over Gruden. Gruden took over a team that was packed with future hall of famers and within a few years had them at 4-12. That’s not that good a coach. good coaches turn bad teams good, not vice versa.
February 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
2sense
This is a football sight. We are just ridding this blog of discharger fans. They come here and get a ficticious name and post away. They take our information and does who knows what with it
February 10th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Oakglenn why does everyone hate you?
February 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Because, my butt is big and theirs isnt. Now leave me
alone no sense
February 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Oakglenn are you really from San Diego?
February 10th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
We will stay on top of her until she crawls out
February 10th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
don’t try and be me losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Sorry no one hates me other than the trolls from other teams who want to tear us all down. Of course I’m not from San Diego.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
We’re all gonna stand here and go nowhere. Until you tired and go away.
2sense the fight I had with the other imbecile, MaddenRaider is of course Gruden took over a team that went to the Super Bowl and then immediately had two losing seasons. What does that tell ya??
February 10th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
And Don’t worry once the mods come in they’ll block these idiots from coming back here. They think they’re cute and funny. It’s the definition of sad, that someone is so bored and such a loser, they would have to come on this site to post stupid stuff. That’s the definition of what a loser is.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
poakedglenn is trolling and snitching just like raidermutt.
Calling for the moderator? hmmm
Maybe the moderator will see that you are a Discharger and finally throw you out like your stepmom did you SNITCH
February 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Poakedglenn – Your presence on this site is single handedly ruining Jerry’s blog. If you will simply go away all the Poakedglenn haters will also go away and the site will return to it’s former glory.
So what do you say?
If you care about this blog as much as you say you’ll do the honorable thing and take one for the team.
If you insist on posting all of your bile on this site, it will continue to morph into the “I HATE POAKEDGLENN WEBSITE.”
It’s your call.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
2 pennies
you must be girlish also right?
February 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Hey reality let’s drink each others spunk and lick each others a holes.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Good idea Jeremy. let me lick you first.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Mine is cleaner than jeremy’s
February 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
I like to drink spunk
February 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I like spunk poured on me
February 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
super girlish. so much so that i like to blow vagina farts in losers faces. own up. who do you scrubs like?
February 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Poakedglenn – Your presence on this site is single handedly ruining Jerry’s blog. If you will simply go away all the Poakedglenn haters will also go away and the site will return to it’s former glory.
So what do you say?
If you care about this blog as much as you say you’ll do the honorable thing and take one for the team.
If you insist on posting all of your bile on this site, it will continue to morph into the “I HATE POAKEDGLENN WEBSITE.”
It’s your call.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I see that chargergirl has been trolling with my name.
Go and clean your toilet for a change
February 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
do me jeremy
February 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Marcus Trufant looked really bad on that touchdown. You have to turn around when the ball is in the air
February 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Poakedglenn – So I’ll assume you will be apoligizing to the Nation for the state of Jerry’s blog today.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
You’re in dream land reality. You really are. Let’s keep fighting.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
That shows how delusional you are. Let’s keep fighting, keep it coming. I haven’t gone anywhere. Hypocrite.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
poakedglenn
Seriously, do you have any responsibilities?
Nobody responds to you in a positive way.
You dont have any coloring book to cut and paste on?
Go to wal mart and get your eyebrows arched are something. SNITCH
February 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
where’s your little delusional scum bag army hypocrite????
February 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Oh good poked by dudes is back. funny how you have to use the name I gave you. You losers can’t even think for yourselves. You are the biggest effing losers EVER. Your stupid, petty, lame, weak, hypocrites. What else so you have.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
That sounds like snitch bait Reality. Watch out for her
February 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
you’re boring.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
What else so you have. Snitch you are so stupid you spell like a middle school dropout
February 10th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Jeremy Says” dadadadadada, me smart, copy and paste what oakglenn say. dadadada. what a turd. where’s your little tag team friends???? they sucking each other in the corner???
February 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I gotta go. you turds are the worst thing I’ve ever seen. no brains, just garbage. you are utter worthless trash. gotta go. you bore me, losers.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Are you e-mailing mr. moderator? Snitchin chargergirl
February 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Shes gone great lets celebrate nation
February 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Its going to snow around here.
Its gone
February 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I see everyone was anticipating my arrival. That freak doesnt want none of this. Where she at. Somebody push her in here
February 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
That shows how delusional you are. Let’s keep fighting, keep it coming. I haven’t gone anywhere. Hypocrite.
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I gotta go. you turds are the worst thing I’ve ever seen. no brains, just garbage. you are utter worthless trash. gotta go. you bore me, losers.
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You sissy, Me and others individually whipped you in the mouth. You quitter where ya at? Begging KoolKell
for forgiveness I bet. lol
February 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
1000th
February 10th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Turner in the Playoffs, Turner in the Pro-Bowl.
} So, that is Coach S. and Coach T. that will kick the Faiders “can’t stop the run, BABY” Defence all over the field. Both are Faider Haters Coaches in the same division, that know every move Bundy’s Faiders will make on the field. Both fired by the “Greatest Bundy of All Time”.
“Al Bundy Davis” really knows how to pick and get-a-long with Winning Coaches
Just Sell Baby !! And so it is !!
February 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Poakedglenn – Snitches get snitches.
Where did she go?
February 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
#485
Antispy3,
Saying, “Nnamdi dissuades the opposition from even venturing onto his portion of the field, thus eliminating the space required to defend” sounds great!! However, when did this occur? And who said this was happening? Got a quote? A link? Something? It’s great to want your favorite player to be all he can be but c’mon. Deion Sanders? You’re comparing Nnamdi to Deion Sanders? You have got to be kidding? I’m gonna leave that one completely alone. Way to easy an argument.
Moving on, you say Nnamdi was thrown to around 28 times last year so he must be a shut down, elite corner. Well, where did you get that information? When I look at the actual tangible statistical numbers both Routt and Nnamdi had 7 PD, Wash had 15 PD. Nnamdi had 34 TOT, Routt 42 TOT, and Wash 40 TOT. Nnamdi had 32 Solo tackles, Routt 35, and Wash 33. Nnamdi had 1 INT, Routt had 3 INT’s, and Wash had 4 INT’s.
Also, these players as a unit were the heart and soul of the #8 defense against the pass. However, how real was that number when those same players are part of a defense that was also #31 against the run? And all the “Nnamdi is logging extra practice time” stuff and “leading by example” junk is complete crap to me. None of that stuff really matters because these players are going to do what they want no matter what Nnamdi or anyone else say’s or does. The desire and dedication comes from within. Besides who knows if any of that kind of personal information is really true or just a fluffy feel good story. What matters to me is how the player produces on the field. His personal life is just that his personal life. Why judge? No one’s perfect.
What Nnamdi did in 2006 was great and he received some much deserved hype because of it. Last year was Nnamdi’s year to prove that 2006 was no fluke. I still say Nnamdi is a solid corner in the NFL, but he did not perform well enough last year to deserve the pro-bowl nod. There was no controversy anywhere when Nnamdi name wasn’t listed as making the pro-bowl. The 2006 season is a totally different story. To put it plain, Nnamdi was robbed. Nnamdi had a great year and deserved to be rewarded.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
in the five years since Gruden won the super bowl…
he has appeared in two playoff games…
they were both wild card games…
he lost both wild card games…
who really thinks he would do so much better here???
February 10th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Gruden is nothing without Gannon.
Gruden is gone.
Let’s move on.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
“Gruden” got into play-offs. “Al Bundy” got no play-offs…………….
Just Sell Baby……….and so it is !!
February 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
great job by lechler today!
we need a new article please
February 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Wow. Almost at 1,000 again already?
February 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I win again.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
FIREWORKS!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I think he is just going to hold off all blogs now until her gets a thousand comments on each.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
The defenses in the Pro Bowl are forced to rush 4 and not blitz. They are running the Raiders defense. Anybody notice how easy it is to score on those defenses? lol.
February 10th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
There was 1 punt in the Pro Bowl and it was by Lechler. It was 55 yards.
February 10th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
uhhh, uhhh, uhhhhh
February 10th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Brayton opted out of his contract! YEEEEEESSSSSSS! Don’t let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out loser…take Stu and Sims with you!
Lakers rule!
Draft McFadden.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Thats great news Dakota where did you see that ?
Havent seen you since the Lakers lost to NJ..
February 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Mista, they beat NJ and lost to ATL…fyi.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=780&line=112350&spln=1
February 10th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
wow Big J. I see you have been VERY busy since I’ve been gone.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell is always around and in many forms
February 10th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
kool kell is my hero
February 10th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
he changed my life, I actually like girls now
thanks kool kell, the best man on this blog
February 10th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
KoolKell was a complete loser. I bet he lives all alone, or in his mom’s basement. His favorite movies are probably failure to launch and 40 yr old virgn. Based on his life story if ya know what I mean. Just one of those useless people taking up space and breathing air that could be used for people that contribute something to society…
just kidding…
or maybe not…
February 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Dakota, these are trolls trying to take the site down. They’re effups. Don’t engage them.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
just kidding, KK is my hero…
or maybe not???
February 10th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Anyone want to talk football??
February 10th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
You are right Oakglenn, if I make them mad they may go upstairs and punch their mom’s or something…heeee.
February 10th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
What do you think of Brayton opting out of his contract?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I actually think it kind of messes us up. Right now I think the defensive line consists of Terdell Sands, Derrick Burgess, you and me. So, honestly, we could use the depth.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I am only 6′ 240 lbs, probably not the right size for d-line.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Oakglenn, change is good, this will ensure that we have different faces on the d-line and that really couldn’t be all that bad could it?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Is it so bad that half of those posts look like middle school kids calling each other names? What happened to this place?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
6′ 240lb. Dakota
Montana sized @ss
February 10th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I carry it well…at least that is what my wife tells me, LOL.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Well Bo Jackson….make sure you criticize their juvenile post and give them the attention and encouragement they seek.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Nice
February 10th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Change certainly on the D line is good. Basically, you guys when the news of Kiffin leaving hit, all kinds of trolls came in here telling Raider fan to boycott the team, throw away their gear, it’s all trolls. And I’ve been the point guy to stand up to them. Today has been a war out here. But just discuss football and they’ll go away.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
ooops, I guess I better hit the hay.
Draft McFadden.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I think if we upgrade the front 4, the players we have at linebacker and in the secondary can take their games to another level. We have speed….we just need to play more sound football and tackle better. A solid D-line makes everyone else’s job easier. With the weak d-line play, it would help to blitz more to accomplish what a solid front 4 does by themselves. Just my 2 cents…any thoughts?
February 10th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Well Bo, honestly I think we need to substantially upgrade the DL. And I mean substantially. With Brayton filing, I think we have like 5 DL under contract. That’s crazy. So I guess here we go in the draft and free agency. Looks like Corey Williams from Green Bay might be a distinct possibility. We might be forced to draft Dorsey/Ellis and Laws/Lawrence Jackson 1st and 2nd rounds. We might not have a choice.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
If we play that straight up 4-3…you have to have good tackling safeties for run support. Guys like Bob Sanders…. SOOOOOOOO… we really need to focus on D-Line and Safety on the defensive side of the ball.
February 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Oakglenn,
I agree….be back in a bit. Gotta watch some TV with the wife.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
what chu talkin bout terrapin? saying we dont have a ground game?
February 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Celebrity Apprentice is a good show fella’s. Omarosa is a straight up Beotch! She has a nice rack though.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Oakglenn you are right about a lot of stuff! So i will ask you, Who do you think we will get to fill Huff’s spot?When he moves to FS.And do you agree with the switch to a 3-4? Wouldn’t that negate a lot of the Man-to-Man that the Raiders have been known for? And i Have been looking at Jordy Nelson from Kansas St. he is 6-4 220 4.4 40 can catch smoke if he wanted. He is projected to go in the 4th round. We have 2 picks in that round. Plus Jamie Silva from Boston College is an animal at SS. He is only 5-10 190 But he had 130 tackles last season(80 solo) to lead the ACC. He also was a finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award. He might not shock people at the Combine. But on the field he is nothing short of amazing. 8 int,(led NCAA) and just ferocious. A lot like a Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatum, John Lynch. Not big on measureables, but is huge on intangeables. Another guy is Gosder Cherilus from BC also. He is a huge OT that is projected 2nd round. He would be perfect to replace Simms at LT, so he can replace McQuistan at RT. That might help. I am just thinking in writing. sorry about the length.
February 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Bo’s Hip (post 1034) is dead on! Improve the front 4 and you’ve basically drafted a top tier safety. If Ellis/Dorsey play to their skill set, then Huff and Routt and Wash can make some big plays. I also think this bodes well for Burgess and Clemons. Terdell should be able to get back to his game with lighter coverage as a key DT will require attention. You think our LB’s had a lot of picks this year, wait and see what happens with pressure…balls are always thrown to the short flat when a QB is running for his life. Then the opponent has to run to bring guys up thus allowing us to control the clock from a Defensive perspective.
Go get Ellis or Dorsey, that’s the best way to address our Safety needs.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Name your top Linebackers …
Mine would probably look like this right off the top of my head:
Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Mike Singletary – Back in the day
What did these guys have, during their best years?
Freakin studs in front of them keeping the blockers off of them. Let them move and fly to the ball! Again…this is just my opinion…but our linebackers are pretty legit…real fast…would be better in the run game with more room to operate.
I am NOT saying they are as good or better than the three I mentioned above, but you never now if you don’t have that supporting cast.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
our LBs are good. This was Capt. Kirk first season in the middle. That is why he missed on so many gap assignments. Howard is more that solid on the WOLB. We need someone bigger on the SOLB though maybe. S.Williams got hurt, and Robert Thomas did, well, mediocre at best. He is a rookie so give him next year at least.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
One guy I look forward to seeing, if we get help on the D-Line, is Robert Thomas. This guy can tackle. Probably the best tackler on the team. I would prefer the one-on-one run plays to go to his side and see screens and tosses head towards Howard. We can certainly compete at any capacity but it all starts with the D-Line. I think an A+ draft would consist of McFadden in the first round, and Laws Jackson in the second. I seriously doubt that McFadden will be there so we will be forced to take the best D-Line in the first. However, if we land McFadden and Jackson we will go a long way in developing great young talent through the draft which we haven’t done for a long time. Look at what Morrison, Howard, and Richardson have provided thus far. If we can find the same kind of production from the draft it should make future Free Agency that much easier.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
SS have as much to do with run stopping in the 4-3, Man-to-Man set-up. The SS safety has to be a beast. Just look at Indy last season just before the playoffs. They gave up an average of 170+ yrds a game against the run.(sound familiar) Then in the playoffs the opponents only averaged 65 yards a game. Now what is the COMMON DENOMINATOR? NO, BOB SANDERS before the playoffs.He came in the Wild Card Game. And we all know how that turned out!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Can we switch gears for a moment? What on earth can we do to help out JR? The draft is weak in terms of WR, and I doubt Berrian or Hackett would consider coming here. A young core of talent on the OL would be great but that takes time to gel. We definitely need WR help NOW and I just don’t see where that’s going to come from.
Thoughts anyone?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Patrick Crayton From Dallas is a FA
plus look at post #1036 it puts a guy who i think would be perfect to fit our system
February 10th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Well said Tyrant83! I just don’t see where a beast SS is available. Silva from BC would be too early to take in the 2nd round but it’d be worth it considering the need. Now that I think about it, I would love to see Ellis with pick 1 and Silva with pick 2. I’m just terrified with our WR’s. We have to do something to improve in this area.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I think if Dorsey, Ellis, or Chris Long are truly Day 1 starters and impact players, we have to take one of them in the 1st round. The system we have in place on offense doesn’t need a big name guy to be successful. Just look at what Fargas, Jordan and Rhodes did this year. The world wouldn’t come to an end if we drafted Mcfadden there, but I just think the D-line is such a bigger need for us right now. With those three highly rated D-linemen sitting there I think we need to pull the trigger.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
that’s the beautiful thing about SILVA
he is projected to go 6th or 7th round
he would be the steal of the draft easily!!!!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Reviewed post 1036 and love the idea of Jordy Nelson. I found him on Draft Exchange the other day but couldn’t find any you tube material. He seems like a good fit. Do you think Silva would be around in the 4th. Seems to me like the Patriots love to snatch guys up like him and they would be happy to spend a 3rd on him.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
We definitley need WR’s. Money talks…so I think we can land a FA to help, just need to find the right fit with our offense and JRuss.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Wow, if he’s there in the 6th I would certainly consider that a steal. He’s got a lot of film that justifies him going sooner in my opinion. Every time I saw BC on espn it seemed like he stood out and his name was called often. I’m sure his coaches will be promoting him well. He’s a good player but also a great kid according to his local media.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
That is considering we have some consistency on the coaching staff. I really hope we don’t keep up this coaching carousel trend. Not that Kiffin is the next HOF coach…but he shows promise. With JRuss being the “Franchise” it would benefit us to keep some stabilty and not have to learn a new system every couple of years.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
most definitely D-line first
here is how i would see it
Ellis/Dorsey DT Rd 1
Cherilus OT Rd 2
No pick in 3rd Rd
Jordy Nelson WR Rd 4
No pick in Rd 5
Armington WR Rd 6
Dexter Jackson WR Rd 7
what do you all think?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I’d like to find a Steven Smith type receiver. Good hands, great routes, safety valve for a yound QB. This was Eli’s key to movin’ the chains. Smith was the Giant’s Wes Welker. Maybe the kid from Florida would fit this role.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
With Silva instead of Armington my bad
forgot to retype that
February 10th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
that is nelson to a T
he is the supreme slot receiver
February 10th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Tyrant,
There is no way we would take that many WR’s. But then again….what the heck do I know. Gotta improve Safety position…I think we will look to improve WR via Free Agency.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
i think that the silver and black could make a comeback sooner rather than later. If they can keep it all together. Kiffin needs more that one year. And realistically we need to ditch Ryan. It is not his fault, but being the coach he gets the blame. The only thing that scares me is that Kiffin wants us to switch to a cover 2 system. That is not at all going to work in my opinion! what do you’ll think?
February 10th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
we won’t pick that many
but dude was asking what we could do in the DRAFT about our WR problem. or lack of!
February 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I like the scenario, I would just change Armington in the 6th for Silva if he was still available. Aside from that, you’ve posted a list that is perfect for rebuilding. DL and OL is the best place to start.
How ’bout this:
Ellis/Dorsey
Sam Baker (Great footwork, long arms, quick) good system fit
Jordy Nelson (Potential Porter replacement)
Jaime Silva
Devon Bess (Solid Routes, YAC guy, tough)
February 10th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I wonder what we would have to give up to get Chad Johnson…
I don’t know why, but I like him so much better than Moss or T.O.
His stuff seems funny…they come off as Arrogant Punks.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
we seem to be seeing eye-to-eye assassin
that’s funny my favorite Raider is Jack”the assassin” Tatum a real effing disaster for WR over the middle. He scared the toughest of receivers. He paralyzed 2 players while they were going over the middle. That is the real meaning of a STRONG SAFETY
February 10th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
I don’t know that I would give up picks for him as we have so many needs. He’s premeire and I love him too but we have a lot of holes. I’m a firm believer in building through the draft with “Football Players”. Chad is definitely that but we don’t need a marquee guy unless the deal is relatively cheap. If we accomplish the draft scenario’s above, I think we’d be in better position to succeed as opposed to giving up picks for Chad.
By the way, a guy I’ve watched and would love to see at Strong Side LB is Mike Humpal (LB from Iowa). Romo type aggression and great tackler. His size is ideal for that side of the field and he will probably go undrafted.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
we would have to give up what Lane fixed in the locker room from Randy. A Headache. Complaining, crying about playing time. He couldn’t make it work with Who’sYourMama #84 or Carson Palmer who is an above average QB J-Marc is way better. But that still says something. Plus the team is being built around J-Marc not Ocho Cinco, not DMC, not Nobody(sorry for the horrible english).
February 10th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Yeah….but we are the Raiders….we don’t build through the draft traditionally. I hope we do a better job in the future…
Good stuff you guys…going to bed.
Later
February 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I played Safety in High School and wore his number after reading his book. I’m not a big a guy but loved to take chin straps off. For what it’s worth, I idolized Chuck Cecil as well. I was kinda dirty. These guys epitimize our philosophy as to how the team needs to be constructed. As you said, we are on the same page, and I hope you agree that we need good Players with High Motors and Intelligence. I’m tired of the Ricky Dudleys and Teyo Johnsons. It’s time for the John Lynch’s and Greg Biekert’s to find their way back to Oakland. Silva is certainly one of those guys, as is Humpal.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
that would be a Welker pick that is incredible to the team.Like Pierce for the Giants. ROmo for the Cowboys.
sets the team up for years to come great eye for someone that is a sleeper. most sleepers are from the Texas vs. The Nation Game. lol
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Amen to that…Nice doin’ business Tyrant but I have a 2 month old in need of a diaper change. Keep up the good work in the Scouting dept. Later.
February 10th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
well said
we need the great nickname players again.
The Mad Stork
The Judge
The Assassin
The Snake
Dr.Death
Then we also had on offense
Fred Biletnikoff
Todd or Tedd Christiansen
Cliff Branch
Jim Otto
Marcus Allen
The list keeps going
we just need it to start again
i think that we have
Capt. Kirk
5 Tre
Terdell “quick” Sands
Awesome Asomoghua
rUFF HUFF
etc…
February 11th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Just realized I kept referring to Trevor Laws as Lawrence Jackson. Not sure what happened, it’s dark in here when head is up the you know what. once again…later.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:28 am
I haven’t seen any concrete news on the Brayton situation. If its true then I’m all about it.
Kiffin got here with a defense that looked pretty good. He ended up the year with a defense that looked pretty bad and the world knows it was the fault of the defensive line that led to the demise of it. So far, Sapp has decided to retire and Brayton has possibly opted out of his contract. You have to wonder if Kiffin is shaking things up and forcing people into decisions. For all we know, Kiffin could have spoken to Sapp and let him know that he wants to go in a different direction and Sapp could have decided that it was better to retire. Kiffin could have told Brayton to get an early start on Free Agency because they were going to cut him either way.
The thing that concerns me is hearing that Cooper Carlisle opted out of his contract but I can’t remember whether that was concrete information or not. I honestly don’t understand why he would do that with the progress of this offense and it hurts us big time if thats the reality.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:40 am
I’ts a war out there.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:21 am
bang bang…. BOOM…
February 11th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Florida Pete – First of all, I respect your opinion because of your loyalty to Mr. Davis.
So, what do you think the chances are of Al replacing Kiffin this week?
February 11th, 2008 at 5:45 am
wow…
next to zero… and yes i know Fassel maybe, could be, had…
obviously something happened between Kiffin and Davis… i have a feeling they worked it out… Kiffin probably got some good advice from dad…
but if there is even a hint of a possiblility of a notion that Kiffin is shopping for a new gig… and that he is not committed to the long haul…
sayanara… seeya… don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya…
or words to that effect…
now… let the games begin!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:58 am
what i would do…
Free Agents,the only ones i would be serious about:
Corey Williams, DT, (6th rd pick) Packers
Wesley Britt, OT, (5th rd, Chargers, cut and picked up by NE Pats) Patriots
February 11th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Fla Pete – Would you rather have Fassel or Kiffin?
February 11th, 2008 at 6:19 am
at this time… Kiffin…
and only because i do want continuity…
i do think cutting Q. Moses last year…
along with Safeties: Jarrod Cooper, Darnell Bing, Donovan Darius…
along with Echemandu…
along with Kevin Boothe…
makes me wonder what’s going on… have we lost all patience??? or do we suck as bad at drafting as it might appear???
Darius can’t play for us??? can that be true??? do we still think it’s true???
i have questions for mr kiffin… but i still like the overall path we are on…
so i have questions…
February 11th, 2008 at 6:21 am
oh, and i don’t think Jim Fassel is that special…
February 11th, 2008 at 6:32 am
we all remember the days when James Jett and Calvin Branch hung around year after year! It wasn’t until the Raiders signed real football players that they won. The Giants didn’t beat the Patriots with track stars and undrafted free agents.?!
February 11th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Bill Bellick didn’t think so FL Pete..then again he’s now next to him @ the unemployment line.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:37 am
I respect your opinion but I personally think it is a bad idea to bring back a coach who it appears will likely jump ship at the first oppurtunity.
Fassell may not be special but coaching a Kerry Collins led team to the Super Bowl is no small feat in my book.
What about Mariucci?
February 11th, 2008 at 6:43 am
i need to drop off…
time to run a business…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:01 am
YES! According to Anthony Carroll realfootball365 The 28-year-old voided the final year of his rookie contract this past weekend, officially making him an unrestricted free agent.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:06 am
What Chucky could/should have done for the Raiders!
Coughlin’s stamp still on Jaguars
Posted by: Samuel Chi on February 11, 2008 12:28 AM
http://cm.my.yahoo.com/add/module?url=http%3a//www.realfootball365.com/nfl/rss/jaguars.xml&intl=us
February 11th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Wow man – 1000+ hits on two threads in a row!
Way to go Nation!
I have nothing more to add.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:23 am
Man, waiting for the coffee to kick in…
Not 2 straight threads, but you know what I meant
February 11th, 2008 at 7:35 am
FL Pete- you’re serious about post 1076?
Moses as discussed several times here was just a bust, especially considering Clemons & Richardson easily beat him out. He became dead weight.
Jarrod Cooper had recently been made aware of his suspension but was brought back. No big deal.
Darnell Bing was cut shortly after SF signed this year. Another bad pick, but when a 3rd or 4th rounder doesn’t make it, it’s not a surprise.
Donovan Darius injury prone and didn’t play a full season. He was brought in because of his past and was given a shot.
Echemandu- we had depth at RB so it wasn’t an issue
Kevin Boothe- system lineman who is too big for our system.
A big problem with our drafting is obviously our coaching changes. One year we use this system and the next it’s something else. Players get cut when they aren’t needed and it looks bad.
But the players above aren’t either good enough to be a starter in the NFL or they were bad draft picks (only for those drafted in the top 3 rounds, after that it’s an even bigger crapshoot).
February 11th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Is it April 27th yet? Wake me for the draft fellas.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Just read an article via the Boston Globe – …Patriot players were showered with a rather surprising and emphatic chorus of boos from the crowd of 50,000 in Honolulu as they were introduced at the Pro Bowl. They were the only team that was treated in this manner.
The writer wrote ’surprising’. Bostonians have no concept how much their team is absolutely hated, even by laid back islanders at an innocuous celebration of pro football. Mahalo Hawaii.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Hey we let Nnamdi go and use the cash we would have spent on him on some stud DL’s not old vets but upcoming 4 or 5 year players, the run is our weakness not the pass game, replace Nnamdi with Routt, Washington comes back faster and stronger, draft a young stud DB in the later rounds, use the early round picks on DL and OL needs.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:04 am
you have the link to that article?
February 11th, 2008 at 9:06 am
I think if that would be our plan to let Nam go…we would be better served to sign him to a long term deal and then trade him. I don’t agree with this because I think he is the type of player we should be accumulating…hard working good players. But better to get something …
February 11th, 2008 at 9:14 am
DSM – I agree with Florida Pete. The Moses blunder indicates serious problems with the Raiders scouting department.
I have no problem with them cutting him.
I have a problem with them drafting him in the first place.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:20 am
M
Yeah, now watch the mediots, turn on them like a pack of rabid dogs if there is anything to the latest allegations and it results in a suspension for Belichick. Hypocrites.
They are getting ready to sacrifice Belichick for the League´s sake. I say get rid of Goodell as well if he´s that stupid, which I doubt, more than likely he tried to cover it up and couldn´t even manage to pull it off.
I´m worried he´s gonna screw up the labor issues coming up and we will have an ugly mess.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Bill Pickel- They thought they would take a chance on Moses considering his outstanding junior year at Georgia and he didn’t pan out.
If they have serious problems with their scouting department, please explain to me why we have 4 starters and a possible steal with Bush?
If Henderson, Higgins, or Holland pans out the draft is even that much better.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:36 am
If I recall, Moses was considered a possible steal at his spot in the draft by the pundits covering it. Which means that most teams probably had an eye on him as a high risk/high reward type of project. (Michael Bush is in the same bucket) Apparently he wasn’t able to show enough in camp and preseason to prove that he could stick. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.
To say that you were unhappy with the selection is easy in 20/20 hindsight. However, if you read Jerry’s article that spawned this 1K+ barrage of posts, you’ll perhaps recall what a “reach” it was to take Nnamdi as high as he was grabbed. If I remember, there were two or three CBs on the board ranked higher than him at the time. That one turned ou pretty well, eh?
The point is that, especially when you’re talking below the 2nd round, everyone is a project and not someone that you pencil into your opening day starting lineup from May onwards. If you see something that you like, you roll the dice. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:39 am
If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.
I learned everything I know from Al.
Does anyone remember when Al put tape recorders in the visitors locker rooms?
That’s the stuff.
That is what winning is all about.
Being man enough to go out on a limb in search of the competitive edge.
All this talking abpout cheating is getting my juices flowing.
I guess I’ll have to settle on cheating on my wife and on my taxes.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:40 am
IMO,Higgins will turn out ok.most WRs take a few years before they become big producers in the NFL.he shouldn’t be judged by his dropsies as a punt returner.Henderson was considered a “project” when we drafted him so only time will tell.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:42 am
I like the rumor where if Spygate taken further, Bill is going to tell the whole truth & nuttin but the truth about cheating league wide.
It’s crazy how the media and politicians automatically assumed the Pats were the first team to do this and how immoral they are.
The tapes were destroyed as evidence the whole league was doing it and Goodell didn’t want to take it to the next level because it could temporarily hurt the NFL.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:48 am
the draft is just like recruiting in college.you sign(draft) as many blue chippers as possible and hope the turn out to be players.sometimes a lower quality recruit(draftee) progresses as they mature.also nobody knows how a guy is going to react when thay get that scholarship(1st big contract).
February 11th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Marley, I’ve had similar thought about the possible labor upheaval. We need Russell and Bush etc. to gain field experience and not just sit around waiting for a bunch of suits to figure out who should become wealthier than they already are.
BoJack, I saw the article when I was checking out CNN.com and found an SI link.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:56 am
as Bob said there will probably be a mess due to labor issues in the near future.if the owners opt out of the CBA we could see a work stoppage which would probably hurt the league big time.as for spygate-they got caught,they got punished-move on or better yet,tell officials to referee their games the with the same scrutiny they give the Raiders.now that would be punishment.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:56 am
It’s really funny how people automatically expect every draft pick to pan out. If they don’t they are busts.
Eric Frampton round 5, a bust, Moses a 3rd bust, Bowie 4th a bust, Henderson 3rd a bust, and worst of all Holland a 7th a bust.
Do they see that O’Neal & Richardson are two of a handful of players drafted in the 5th round or later to get significant minutes? Of course not.
Bush is another bust because he didn’t play this year when almost every analyst out there pointed out he would possibly sit the year.
There are some definitely knowledgeable fans in here and some obvious morons.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am
I completely agree with DSM. The coaching changes cause lots of player revolutions as well. That’s how we got Robert Thomas from the Rams. He was a first round choice that didn’t fit the new Rams system.
Moses got beat out by Jason Richardson. It’s that simple. And aside from Soul Patrol and Moses’ Mom, no one else thinks he can play. Darius was out of gas. He wasn’t the Darius of 4 years ago. Bing was a tweener, that again, is gonna have a hard time fitting in the pros. Good player tho.
The guy I don’t understand all the fans loving is Joe Echemandu. While I like Joe, and I’m a Cal guy, he ran against 3rd and 4th teams scrubs in the preseason, not against 1’s and 2’s. I’m fine with him for depth but, I don’t think he’s gonna be a star in this league.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Hey Raider Nation… I see the children isn’t here anymore…
February 11th, 2008 at 10:01 am
DSM Raider…
We don’t even know how bowie, Henderson, Holland or Bush will pan out. So I still find this as one of our best drafts in many years
February 11th, 2008 at 10:03 am
LMN-they’re still sleeping it off.probably cheap wine.they sure ruin this site though.for being 55 years old,one of them is sure childish.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:06 am
I doubt Jordy Nelson runs a 4.4 btw …more like a 4.5/4.6
February 11th, 2008 at 10:06 am
DSM – I respect your opinion but I am not as high on last year’s draft as you are you are.
As far as the four starters go I only count two, Miller and Richardson. And I personally don’t think Richardson would have started for any other team.
In regards to Bush, until I see Bush get tackled and get up a couple of times, I’m not going to count on a guy with a steel rod in his leg. But that’s just me.
I appreciate your position and of course I hope you right but I’m a “believe it when I see it” type.
P.S. I’m sure you already know this but for those who don’t:
1.) No player in the history of the draft, who was drafted as high as Moses, has failed to make the opening day roster since the merger. To me this indicates a problem with the Raider’s scouting department.
2.) No player in the history of the NFL has rushed for a thousand yards with a steel rod in his leg. To me, that makes Bush a long shot to have a meaningful NFL career.
Like I said, I hope I’m wrong.
Go Raiders.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
It just funny me how in one sentence someone can say the defensive line is in dier need and the very next say the best and most logical thing to do is draft McFadden #1.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
one has to assume Bowie is a player.with all the other CBs we have-NA,FW,SR,plus johnson,using a 4th for Bowie-why?unless we really think alot of the guy.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Pattsies cut their 3rd rounder?
February 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Hell if you get 50% on your drafting-crap shoot I would say it was outstanding.
Hope all of you in the Nation have a fine rest of the day.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Wake up Nation.
SHE’S BACK!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am
bill-why do you under value Richardson so much.actually if history is any indication,rookies have a harder time starting for the Raiders than most org.very rarely does a rook step in and start.they usually get worked in slowly.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Terrapin…
NE didn’t have a 3rd round pick last year, so nothing to cut. I believe thats why we don’t have a 3rd this year, we had 3 3rd round picks in ‘07
February 11th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Terp-yes they did!and so did some others,just don’t ask me who.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am
No Patsies didn’t have a 3rd rounder, so they didn’t ahve any to cut…
Cardinals cut their 3rd rounder
February 11th, 2008 at 10:20 am
we got NE’s 3rd and 4th, Ne got Moss and our 3rd in ‘08
February 11th, 2008 at 10:24 am
that 3rd this year should have been a provisional pick based on scumbags production.Al blew that one.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:25 am
LMN – I read it somewhere before, either on this blog or by a reporter. But they could’ve been referring to a different draft class – not necessarily last year.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:25 am
LMN, here they come. See post 1112. They’re trying to run all of us off, starting with me. Ain’t gonna happen.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I think Bowie is going to be an excellent player. Do you guys remember the int he made in the preseason. He’s just a project. That’s the problem with the Raiders and Davis. too many projects.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Lefty
I think you only get compensatory picks for FA´s that leave, not for players cut or traded, we would not have gotten such a pick for Moss.
Milicia
Really?? so we have the 31st pick in the third round instead of the 3rd-4rth?? and do we have 2 4th rounders then?.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Oakglenn…
No we are like burned rubber, sticks to everything…
but why did you have a spat with MaddenRaider, he’s okay, he’s one of the regulars… or was that a troll?
February 11th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Oh wait, I get it now, that was last year´s 3rd and 4th, sorry.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Oak-great point about projects.i think that’s one area Al hasn’t evolved from.in the old days you could draft projects and in a few years they’d pan out.in todays NFL,just when these projects catch up and become players,they become FA.nowadays you have to draft for the present.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I still have high hopes for our 4th rounder, even after the compensatory picks are awarded it should be around the 100th pick. There should be some decent players still available.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:37 am
in 3rd round we took…
Moses with our own pick, with the pick from NE we took Henderson, the compensation pick from the Woodson deal we got JL Higgins….
February 11th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Bob,you can trade a player for a certain rd pick but that pick could change regarding the players production,like Warren with us this year.that’s what i meant,even if i didn’t present it correctly.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Okay once again for the deaf =)
The woodson deal gave us one compensation pick…
The Moss deal gave us a 3rd in ‘07 and a 4th in ‘07, we gave them our 3rd in ‘08….
The patriots didn’t have a 3rd rounder, we used that pick so what ever you guys say, the patsies didn’t cut their 3rd rounder – they didn’t have any!!!
for the same reason, we don’t have a 3rd rounder this year…
February 11th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Very true lefty, sorry for the misunderstanding, Al did screw that one up.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:42 am
off subject-btw Oakglenn,hang in there.what those MORONS were doing to you yesterday was childish.i know it’s easier said than done but they should be ignored.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
okay there are some lag… sorry if the answers are coming too slow
February 11th, 2008 at 10:46 am
hey hey hey….
It was JLH we got from the woodson deal… not moses… Still to early to say that AL blew that one…
February 11th, 2008 at 10:49 am
i’m not sure how we’ll do it but i have to believe knowing Al’s history we’ll get more picks,that’s if we want them.Al’s like everyone else,he makes mistakes now and then,but he usually gets done what he wants to.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:49 am
LMN – She got into it with MaddenRaider after Poakedglenn claimed Joe Montana almost signed with the Raiders. Typical Poakedglenn.
I don’t see why MaddenRaider bothered.
She is an ignorant b!tch but hardly worth responding too.
She is ruining this site with her nonsense.
IT AIN’t GONNA HAPPEN!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 10:52 am
LMN-when i say Al blew that one,i mean the pick we gave NE should have been based on scumbags performance,not just an outright 3rd.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
here they come.they’re in i’m out.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Lefty you’re right! Davis pix project guys like Jerry Porter, high, pays ‘em, and expects them to have some loyalty for being trained, literally. And they all move on. See Grady Jackson, Rod Coleman, Porter etc.
LMN, MaddenRaider is useless. He repeats the same stupid stuff over and over, and then when he gets his ass kicked, he gets personal. He’s been doing it for months. He adds nothing.
BTW, Marley, thanks for the support yesterday. it was me on 6-8 trolls. I was hoping they’d be back except they were the dumbest, lamest, stupidest trolls ever.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Lefty, don’t go that’s what they want. To control the site. Ignore them. They’re boring.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I’m still here.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Oak-i don’t think it’s 6-8,more like 2-4 using mulitple names.i come to this site for pleasure and conversation about the RAIDERS.the juvenile name calling is repulsive and has no business here.if someone has problems with another beat them down with facts not adolescence bs.too bad people can’t act their age(55?).
February 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Keep my name out of your mouth, Oakglenn.
You can’t even handle the trolls.
Why don’t you do us all a favor and get lost and take your trolls with you.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Lefty, there were more than one definitely. Now that we’re all here, they have no business here, and they can post as many hating things on me as they want, it certainly doesn’t bother me, no one is gonna read it, evetually they’ll go crawl back under whatever rock they slimed out of as the abject failures they are.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Anyone want to talk football???
February 11th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Troll-boring. Next.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Oakglenn Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
They came to Oakland with out Jon Gruden didn’t they????? As a matter of fact Joe freaking Montana was gonna come here, before KC ripped him from us. I heard that from Joes own mouth. You don’t know much do you???? Back to xbox dude.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:14 am
oak-don’t mean to desert you but gotta go.go Raiders.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:17 am
She learned a new word.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Lefty 12…
ohh yeah… if it was based on performance we would have got their 1st rounder…I cant see why we shouldn’t its not like the patriots are going to use it =)
LOL
February 11th, 2008 at 11:21 am
LMN, nice. Everyone misses the point that Moss had only one year left on his contract, so we weren’t gonna get a high pick for him anyway. If he had 3 years, yeah, could’ve gotten a 2nd or 1st for him.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Lefty, no problem.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am
a little arithmetic…
there are about 200 Div I schools…
each school graduates an average of 15 players from their football teams annually… so the pool of DIV I talent is about 3000 players annually, give or take…
(yes, probably more, but i’m gonna make a point here)
the average career of a professional football player is less than 5 years…
there are over 1600 professional football players active in a season… (32 teams x 53 players = 1696 players)
turnover rate is average of over 300 players per year…
these players are replaced with an average of over 300 players per year…
32 teams x 7 rounds = 224 players + additional players
since the number of replacements exceeds the number of draftees, i would think that teams should have no excuse but to seriously scout the players they draft…
the draft used to be 12 rounds (i think) in the 70’s…
any player taken in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds would be regarding as being in the best 100 for that years class…
my point??? smart football teams don’t draft scrubs in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th rounds…
smart football teams are serious about the talent they look for and get input to make sure their selections count…
just my thoughts…
February 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Fla Pete, it’s more of a crap shoot than you would think. You look at guys like Ryan Leaf, tim Couch, Steve Entman, overall ones that were full on busts. Then you look at Antonio Gates, Tony Romo, Pat Williams, guys that weren’t even drafted. It’s a VERY inexact science.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am
For everyone discussing the bad deal on Moss, bear one thing in mind. What was ultimately paid is in all likelihood the best offer on the table at the time. Say what you want about Al, but the last thing that I see him doing is missing an opportunity to work a crowd in order to extract max value out of something.
Which is to say that with Moss’ history of quitting, injuries, his high cap value, and pending FA in ‘08, that what the Pats paid was effectively what his market value was. If there were an option to get a performance clause built in by Al, that would have made it a higher offer. Apparently, one higher than anyone else was willing to pay.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:33 am
We have no way to know of course but you have to wonder how many players that were never drafted would have ended up as great players if someone had taken a chance on them….Even a guy that was drafted in the 6th round like a Tom Brady could have just as easily not been drafted at all.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Oakglenn -
Believe it or not but those multiple trolls yesterday are only 1 person. I know because he did the very same thing to me that he is doing to you. You can probably guess who it is. It’s not MaddenRaider either, although you guys don’t get along, MR doesn’t seem to be the troll type.
There are a few ways that you can tell it’s all the same guy. Even though he uses multiple names it’s always the same web address that he is linked too. Also he uses the same key words in every post. Plus he always refers to me as raidermutt. He can’t believe that he was banned from this site for deplortable behavior, so he rails against me constantly blaming me for him getting banned, thinking that I snitched on him. He doesn’t realize that his hateful and sometimes racist behavior got him banned, as did him posting under others name to try and discredit them. He must think that you snitched on him or tried to get him banned.
You figure out who it is yet? I’m sure once he reads my post I will become one of his “targets” again, but oh damn well.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Zymurge you make a great point. Everyone bitches about what we got for Moss, but the point was for Moss it was Super Bowl or bust, meaning he wasn’t going to Atlanta, even if Atlanta was willing to trade us 10 number ones for him. He would’ve retired, ala Jake Plummer and we would have gotten nada for him. So, it is what it is. Bottom line, we got that loser off our roster, New England didn’t get a ring. Looks like justice to me.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hey Bill- you believe there’s only 2 starters, what about 6th round pick O’Neal who surprised everyone and took meaningful snaps away from Griffith? He’s a future starter. And you don’t even consider Russell a starter?
Do you math, at the minimum and for arguments sake you can say 3 starters, plus part-time starter work for O’Neal.
I’m not counting on Bush, but for a second day pick, if he pans out that’s another starter for you. He was the highest risk/reward player in the draft. Why not take one with the 1st pick in the 4th? As for his metal rod, it’s titanium and as far as I know no player has ever played with one. It will be impossible to break the rod, but obviously there has to be some concern about the bone.
As for Moses being the highest drafted player not to make it on the opening day roster, that’s a load of you know what. Who cares if he didn’t make the opening roster. You can sort through years & years of drafts to find players drafted in the first two rounds who never did anything. The Raiders were smart and cut dead weight.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am
raiderdogg
Did you just use the race card? How pathetic
February 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Fla Pete — nice math and kudos for showing your work. But I think you missed a key point in there.
On your 300/year turnover you didn’t account for players that change teams, instead assuming that it’s all new blood.
I’d say that the number of actual, never before been in an NFL camp players that make a roster is closer to around 4-5 per team. That’s populated from a pool of the 7+ draft picks (don’t forget the compensatory picks) and maybe the same number of non-drafted signees invited to camp.
Of the latter, there’s also a fair amount of candidates from previous draft classes that bounce from camp to camp for their first few years trying to find a roster to stick to. There’s also the few nuggests from other leagues (Arena, NFLE) that get tryouts. So the non-draft pool is a legitimate area to draw from. It’s not all about the draft. In fact, that was one of the key justifications for reducing the draft down to only 7 rounds, to give those long shot players more freedom to find the teams that they felt they could make.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Actually Dogg, I know what you’re saying, but I can tell by the writing it is definitely more than one person. And it’s not MaddenRaider. The person who posted up above, is NOT MaddenRaider. Basically, what this is, is when the entire Kiffin debacle went down, floods of trolls came in, telling Raider fan to abandon ship, don’t buy tickets, don’t go to games, eff the Raiders, I’m outta here, screw Davis, etc. Those weren’t Raider fans, they were trolls trying to destroy the nation. I came to fight, and a few of them jumped all over me. Well, guess what, they’re back trying to get me off this site. And for good reason. As I said, I’m honored I’m the center of their attention and disdain. Now if only they weren’t suckwad diksukking failures who once again failed in their endeavors, it might even be cool. I spent hours trying to engage them yesterday. They have no game. So Dogg, we’re all still here right?? Wanna talk football??
February 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
They think they’re cute. 1159 is not me.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Oakglenn Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Fla Pete, it’s more of a crap shoot than you would think. You look at guys like Ryan Leaf, tim Couch, Steve Entman, overall ones that were full on busts. Then you look at Antonio Gates, Tony Romo, Pat Williams, guys that weren’t even drafted. It’s a VERY inexact science.
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personally, i think if i were an owner, i would always deal my number 1 away in exchange for more picks in the 2-4th rounds…
that would eliminate the likelyhood of over-paying… what makes a draftee a bust is the investment you make in him prior to him doing anything at all… paying big money on a come bet…
i would want to fill my camp with go getters who know they are trying out for a professional football team and that they need to perform…
now… that still doesn’t relieve a team of the responsibilty of doing the best job they can in scouting their players…
speed and height and weight are all wonderful things to have… if your trying out for the decathalon…
i want football players who love the game…
character matters… love of the game matters… desire matters…
February 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Anyone knows when the compensatory picks are announced? The formula is a mystery to me.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Pete, there’ a guy named Jimmy Johnson that seems to think an awful like you when it comes to draft strategy. Apparently he did pretty well with that approach.
He also had some pretty nice hair
February 11th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Fla Pete — nice math and kudos for showing your work. But I think you missed a key point in there.
On your 300/year turnover you didn’t account for players that change teams, instead assuming that it’s all new blood.
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300 per year turnover is based on:
average professional life of football player = 5 years…
number of players in league 32 * 53 = 1696…
average turnover rate per year = 20% * 1696 = 339 players leaving in any given year…
February 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Oakglenn- As far as Moss, do you think he dictated where he was able to go?
February 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
DSM – I agree. O’ Neal was a GREAT pick.
As for Moses ,I’m glad they cut the dead weight.
I just wish they didn’t waste such a high pick on dead weight.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
post #1159 is the person i am talking about Glenn. Its the same guy.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
wesley snipes did not get convicted last week…
the man kicks ass!!!
there’s your Strong Safety!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Glenn go back and look at all of the posts from before. It’s all the same dude and you did something to really piss him off. Whatever, just rise above like we always do.
still no guess?
February 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
From the NFL Players Assn website:
How long do most NFL careers last?
The average length of an NFL career is about 3 and a half seasons.
Although there are some exceptional players who have long careers that extend 10 or twelve seasons and beyond, most players only stay active for about three seasons.
Players leave the game because of injury, self-induced retirement, or being cut by the team.
This also means that while players may make more money than most people, they are only making it for an average of three and a half years.
To make sure they are successful in the future, players must invest their money well and make plans for another career when they can no longer play football.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
RaiderDogg….the troll crap is not going to get better until Jerry does something like a name registration that would at least stop the posting under the name of another….I think you are right it is either one person or maybe two …The site administrators know they can’t stop anyone from using a proxy IP that will make sure you have a different IP address each time you surf… thus negating a ban from a site.Maybe it is time to e mail the “Spunk O Rama” to every company you see advertise on this site so they at least see how their advertising dollars are being spent.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
jh…
don’t do that…
that would hurt mcdonld and this site…
and won’t do a thing to the offender…
February 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Here’s some info on compensatory picks. I guess they announce late March. Question I have is where does Moss fit in? Anyone has the time to reasearch and guesstimate how high of a pick the Raiders would be rewarded?
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http://sea.scout.com/2/630122.html
By NFL Media
Posted Mar 26, 2007
A total of 32 compensatory choices in the 2007 NFL Draft have been awarded to 16 teams, the NFL announced today. Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in a year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.
The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.
The 32 compensatory choices announced today will supplement the 223 choices in the seven rounds of the 2007 NFL Draft (April 28-29). This year, the compensatory picks will be positioned within the third through seventh rounds based on the value of the compensatory free agents lost.
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
The following 2007 draft picks have been determined by the NFL Management Council:
ROUND/ROUND CHOICE/OVERALL SELECTION/TEAM
3 33-96 San Diego
3 34-97 San Francisco
3 35-98 Indianapolis
3 36-99 Oakland
4 33-132 Pittsburgh
4 34-133 Atlanta
4 35-134 Baltimore
4 36-135 San Francisco
4 37-136 Indianapolis
4 38-137 Baltimore
5 33-170 Pittsburgh
5 34-171 New England
5 35-172 San Diego
5 36-173 Indianapolis
5 37-174 Baltimore
6 33-207 Baltimore
6 34-208 New England
6 35-209 New England
6 36-210 Seattle
7 33-243 Green Bay
7 34-244 Atlanta
7 35-245 Tampa Bay
7 36-246 Tampa Bay
7 37-247 New England
7 38-248 St. Louis
7 39-249 St. Louis
7 40-250 New York Giants
7 41-251 Jacksonville
7 42-252 Jacksonville
7 43-253 Cincinnati
7 44-254 Oakland
7 45-255 Detroit
Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2007 NFL Draft:
OAKLAND Lost: Renaldo Hill, Charles Woodson
Signed: Lance Johnstone
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In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of up to 32 picks dispersed at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.
If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft.
Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Pete it would force the issue ….you own a business and what would you do if you spent money to advertise your business on this site? You would complain and tell them fix it…I have not sent any e mails… I am really hoping Jerry reads this and gets the hint.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
how about this guys…just ignore idiots, imposters and all other nonsense…the attention needy will go away when ignored
February 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
okay… fair enough…
but give Mr. Mcdonald a chance…
also, we don’t want to lose the best message board i’ve seen…
February 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Dogg, if you look at 1112 it’s failure calling to other spunk munchers to pile on like yesterday. I know who you’re talking about. No, these are failures trying to eff up this site and eff with all of us. Hey, we’re all still here, they’ve failed like the failures they are.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Pete…I agree this is a great place…We have so many here that search the net for info I don’t have to..I just come here to keep up.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
damned failing failures keep failing…
they even fail at failing…
the failures!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Miami just cut former Arizona 1st round choice…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.J._Shelton
February 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Will you’re right. Ignore them and they go away. The problem is they post with different names and unwittingly we engage them, and then here comes the spunk-a-thon.
Then there’s MaddenRaider. This guy has been unquestionably universally reviled. He said Jerry Rice would never come here because of Al Davis. I made a post yesterday that Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig came here, in addition to Jerry Rice. Not only that but Joe Montana said in his onw words, he was going to the then LA Raiders. MR calls me insane and a liar. Let me ask you guys something. Why would I make that up??? what would I possibly have to gain from making that story up??? KC caught wind of the deal, and out bid Davis for Montana. Sorry to say but it’s true. Go ask Joe Montana. He was the one who said it, not me. But the point is here come all the personal attacks. A reasonable person might say, I’ve never heard that story, that doesn’t seem right, but Someone has to be a little off kilter mentally to go off like that. And of course, I don’t run from a fight.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Fla Pete, exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Poakedglen couldn’t fight her way out of a wet paper bag.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Pete, you got me curious about this turnover rate, so a-diggin’ I went.
According to most sites, the cite the NLPA’s claim of the average NFL career to be only 3.5 years. That means that we’d be looking at about 485 (1696/3.5)rookies per year, or about 15 per team per season.
That number seems whack to me. So I looked at the Raiders roster (snapshot now) and see that there are what amounts to 10 rookies on their roster. Being a bottom tier team (as hard as that is to admit) one would assume that they’d have more people to replace and should be well above the league average of 15. So I looked at the other end of the spectrum and found that the Giants have 13. Still under average. So I checked some random middle tier teams: Bal = 12, Ten = 9, Den = 9 . . .
The trend seems to be right around 10.
But I also noticed that each team was carrying at least 3 players on IR and some with closer to 10. So there are actually a good deal more than 53 spots per team. Call it 57, which means that there are right around the 1800 jobs out there which jives with the NFLPA quote of number of active members.
SO . . . 320 new players per year from a pool of 1800 means that there is just under an 18% annual turnover. That would mean that an average career length is in the vicinity of 5.7 years.
Along the way, I ran into the interesting side note that statistically kickers have the short life span among all NFL positions. Huh? It seems to me that they hang around forever, aren’t dumped very often and in fact tend to get recycled around the league constantly (as anyone that has to trak them in fantasy football can attest!)
So this has me concluding from all this that the way that the average career length is calculated takes into consideration any player ever under contract by an NFL team. Whether or not you make a final roster, if you come to camp under a contract you are counted into the equation. That would certainly help water down the length span of the career. Backing this up is thinking through the kickers. Every team tends to bring in kicking competition each season, and the incumbent nearly always wins. The training camp fodder gets cut with a 0 length career. Given the numbers games, that means for every experienced NFL kicker acruing years, there is roughly one 0 length kicker for each of their seasons. That would definitely skew the math to give them the shortest average careers.
What does all this prove? That Zymurge can do fuzzy math and play with statistics to prove basically meaningless stuff?
No. It shows that Zymurge is not doing his real job and needs to stop playing on this blog today! Have a good one everyone, I need to go earn my paycheck.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Poakedglenn – You are a bold faced liar. I never considered going to any team that didn’t run the west coast offense.
Think about it.
I am the west coast offense.
Now go away so the sensible fans can talk football.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
What happend to KoolKell?…you guy’s talk about him like he’s dead….Did I miss something?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Amazing Zymurge. Makes sense tho.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Nice LMN. something tells me when you go 1-15 there are going to be a lot of cuts. Deep cuts. I heard Miami just cut like 15 guys.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Starting to think Jerry just wants to see his comments skyrocket…..nothing about Brayton voiding his contract (not that it matters but it IS news). Jerry you used to be on top of your game…what gives?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
What happened to the ask Jerry segment?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
poakedglenn you are a woman correct?
KK lives on through all of us!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
whats up nation
February 11th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Miami jettisoned a bunch of DT’s which confirms that they are switching to the 3-4. I am thinking that they are going after either Chris Long or Ellis in the first round
February 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Have patience. I’m about to break a BIG Raider story.
Stay tuned…
February 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
he speaks!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
i read miami is targeting a qb
February 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!tell me, tell me, tell me!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
is that really jerry?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Florida Pete – Don’t pee in your Depends.
It’s just another one of Poakedglenn’s boyfriends.
She is quite the eager slut.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
If I recall correctly when Jerry does post…All shows in bold blue….But I could be wrong….and if the news is good I will be fine with that.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
It’s not Jerry, it’s the trolls dudes, don’t even respond.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Glad to see some of you seeing the light and realizing that obtaining another lock down CB to play opposite of Nhamndi should be on top of the off-season wish list especially that we play man to man D.
Doresy from LSU is overrated…. he’s defenitly talented…. but overrated. I’m hoping he goes early so we’re not obligated to pick him. When I see him play I see Russel Maryland, good player but not great. I think S. Ellis is gonna be better, kid is a beast.
Chris Long sucks…… I dont care if he had 14.5 sacks! He played as a 24 year old in college and truth be told if he wasn’t Howie’s kid we wouldn’t even be talking about him. Plus he cant even brake 5 sec. on the 40yd dash.
Do we really want Chad Johnson? Wait a minute, I just looked up our depth chart at WR….. Yeah we do want Chad. I’m guessing we draft D with the first pick unless McFadden is there.
Darren McFadden…… I know with Cable’s system no matter who we put back there is going to succeed but dont forget who picks behind us….thats right the Cheifs. Do you really pass on McFadden and let him go to a rival?!
Early Doucet….. He would be a steal in the 2nd round. He’s got size, speed and great hands plus he’s played with J.Russ for 3 years so there would be some continuaty between the 2.
Let me hear it.
In.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Oooooo, someone posting under Jerry’s name (#1196) that should earn a life-time ban baby.
Just ban baby.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
To Montana: Jim Burt and the cold New Jersey turf says hi!!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
They’ll be banned soon enough Dakota.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Could someone answer 1188…I was wondering too?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
I like drinking spunk.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
The most exciting thing to happen to hockey since Gretskey is this Zednick clown getting his neck sliced!!!!!!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
RVJ78—-
i’m not knocking you in this response… ’cause what you have to say is valid…
but…
i really hope the raiders do not draft to defend against the possibility that another team could actually get better…
we need to draft in order to make ourselves better…
we can’t worry about what others do, or might do…
gotta worry about us… only us…
play our own cards…
February 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
STR,
Long time no speak. Where have you been? Rehab? Iraq? Trip to South America?
February 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Dakota… LOL good one!
STR…good to see you back, we have to flood this place with quality football talk!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Panthers just released Mike Wahle… He was a beast when he was in Green Bay
February 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Panthers also released Dan Morgan, also a former 1st rounder… Could he be our new Danny Clark?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Morgan
February 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Wahle lives in Arrowhead…
maybe he comes to the Raiders cheap???
would be really good depth on the o-line…
February 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Morgan is too beat up to be effective. Danny Clark can’t crack the lineup because of Demeco Ryans. Go for Clark.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
i’m impressed at your real time reporting on who is being released. where are you finding that information?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
lol dakota, im down here in my hometown, waaaaay down south of austin, got my grandma in the hospital, doing alot better. went to see her and asked her, grandma if you feeling better tell me “raider nation baby”, and like i figured, she did, in front of uncles too (cowgirl fans) been reading just not posting. at work ive been blocked or something. i can read but not comment, some type of websense.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
i agree on Clark…
Dan Morgan has had concussion problems…
he would ride our bench and do very little to help us…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
lmn whats up bro
February 11th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
STR…
hopes she’s gonna be fine…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
thanks bro, i appreciate that.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
If Carlisle isn’t coming back Wahle is more than welcome, he could be a good mentor
February 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
To Florida Pete: I agree, using the concept of drafting or selecting players just for the simple fact that it might make tem better or less better isn’t very smart.
But….
Theres far more reasons to draft a player McFaddens caliber, not just letting him fall to Chiefs. Letting him possibly slip to a division rival is just last straw (plus you know thats how Al thinks-right or wrong). I know we have many other pressing needs (DT-SS-CB-WR) but my point is if we’re picking at 3rd or 4th and McFadden’s still on the board, do you really pass on him? If Dorsey is gone I feel there is no one else worth picking that hi ( I know I said Dorsey is overrated- I just dont feel like he’s worth a #1 pick but still in my top 3). Ellis and Phillips are probably best fits for the Raiders due to there need and likelyhood we can trade down as far as 10th or 11th and both would be there…..not to mention Stewart(ORE) and D.Jackson (CAL) who could possibly be there.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Cruzin Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
What happened to the ask Jerry segment?
******************
How about ask Jerry to do some work? llol.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Wahle may have to replace Cooper Carlisle since he opted out of his contract weeks ago…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
dakota, cooper is out then??
February 11th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
RJV78—
trading down would be my year in-year out strategy…
i could not, would not, will not pay anyone who never took an NFL snap the monster money that a high first rounder gets…
but, that being said…
and the notion that Mr. Davis may not share my reluctance…
i think drafting a running back in the first round who does not look like, sound like, smell like Bo Jackson is taking a big risk…
trade down… get some extra 2nd and 3rd’s …
now it’s time to go home… the wife says it’s mexico night… tacos!!! yummy… back in a couple hours…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Jerry thinks about going solo, he wonders if he should make a blog in his own name without boss’s meddling…get a webhostel and find some dude to make a site with nice layout and registration
February 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Im starting to agree with Jim Mora Sr. who always said there is no such thing as a shut down corner. He no where he is going you do not, you are going to eventually get beat. Especially if the QB has all day.
The league is backwards D-Line and O-Line should be making the big bucks, but the positions are not flashy enough.
Even on D-Line, if a DT is a stud against the run and a D end gets 16 sacks or 1 a game, why is the 1 sack a game guy paid more.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
MMmmm…. Mexico night *Drool* MMmmm =)
February 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Maybe someone already answered this question, but what free agents did we lose last year that may qualify us to receive a compensatory pick in this year’s draft? Langston Walker is the only free agent I can think of. Moss was traded, so no pick for him and our other guys like Booth were cut so no picks for them right? So only Langston Walker?
Would he get us a 3rd rounder because he started all 16 games for Buffalo last season?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Chris Long sucks about as bad as his father did. Oh wait!! he’s in the HOF…… Chris Long is better than his father and Dorsey isn’t overrated he’s as advertised. Ellis will probably be a Raider.
Early Doucet is a decent reciever he’s only about 6 ft. under 200 lbs. and would be a steal in the 4th rnd…maybe.
We must get one of those Dlineman
February 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
STR,
He voided his contract, but I just hope it is a money issue and not a “I hate playing for this sh!tty team” issue. So hopefully they can re-sign him. Losing Cooper would be a big blow to the o-line and it would just mean we have another hole to fill via the draft or free agency.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Forget d-line, Draft McFadden. When we lead by 21 points in the 3rd quarter teams will no longer be running against us, they will be passing to try and catch up with us! It would be the antithesis of 2006!
February 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
To Florida Pete: We might not ever see an athlete like Bo Jackson again…..and McFadden might not be Bo, but he’s worth grabbing at 3 or 4.
Dont get me wrong, I think he’ll be gone with in the top 2 picks so its wishfull thinking anyways he’ll be there. I just hope we dont spend our pick on someone like Chris Long or Jake Long.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Just Walker and Tuiososopo. Unless you count Aaron Brooks and Brad Badger. Altho, to get compensatory pix you have still be in the league. I don’t think Playing golf counts.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Thats a done deal in my book. The Raiders WILL draft Dlinemen in the 1st. The question I now have is do they also go Dlinemen in the 2nd and what if they get a comp pick in the 3rd round. That will help tremendously. OLT? or WR?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Dakota…
Tollefsen perhaps? he did go to win a ring with NYG, ha had playing time, Booth didn’t play and as you said he was cut, but Tollefsen and Hawthorne wasn’t they picked up from our scout team?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Actually, that would be sweet if we got something for Langston Walker. We took him in the 2nd round, and like Dakota I think said, he did start all 16 games. Getting a 3rd back would be sweet.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
hopefully we do resign him, isnt he one of the few that DIDNT commit more than 5 penalties all season or something like that
February 11th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Thanks Oakglenn. That’s what I thought. Maybe we get a late 4th rounder as compensation for Walker signing with the Bills and we can use that to grab a center?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Sapp never officially filed his retirement papers. No one has talked to him. The only info about him comes on his web site. Have you guys seen that. It’s hilarious.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Terrapin…
1st Long, 2nd Laws…instant new D line, after the 08 season Richard has developed enough, we trade Burgess…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Dakota, he’s a 2nd rounder, we might get a 3rd for him. Might……
February 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
One Turd is Flushed…Schweigert & Sims to go…
Tired of getting paid for nothing, Brayton opts out
Posted by: Anthony Carroll on February 11, 2008 12:21 AM
The last time Oakland Raiders defensive end Tyler Brayton deliberately removed himself from action with the silver and black, he was caught using his knee as a possible form of contraception.
That was Nov. 6, 2006 in a shutout loss to the Seattle Seahawks on the road. Brayton, caught up in a scuffle with loudmouth tight end Jerramy Stevens, grabbed the 260-pounder by the jersey and kneed him in the groin. Brayton was immediately ejected from the game and later fined $25,000.
“Not just from a football and a suspension standpoint, but from a manhood standpoint, that was lame,” ESPN announcer Mike Tirico commented during the live, nationally televised broadcast.
Now, Brayton is ready to suspend himself from the Raiders’ entire 2008 season.
The 28-year-old voided the final year of his rookie contract this past weekend, officially making him an unrestricted free agent.
Three months after being drafted by Oakland 32nd overall in 2003, the 280-pound defensive end agreed to a six-contract with the Raiders, worth close to $6 million; it also included a $3 million signing bonus. The deal, however, included a provision that would allow the ex-Colorado standout to void the sixth and final year if he reached a predetermined playing time level.
If the provision was based on production, he’d probably be stuck in Oakland for another season.
In 79 games with the Raiders — at three different positions — Brayton has recorded 175 tackles, six sacks and one interception. It all sounds OK assembled as one stat line, but based on a year-by-year average, Brayton doesn’t look like the best of former first-round picks out there. Or even the fourth-rounders.
Over a span of five years, the 6-foot-6 defender averaged just 29 tackles and 1.2 sacks per season.
In fact, Brayton’s best pro season was 2003 — his rookie year — when he started in all 16 games and registered 61 tackles and 2½ sacks. Since then, he’s gotten progressively worse, thanks in part to position and coaching changes as well as in part to lack of ability. The last time Brayton tallied a sack was on Oct. 30, 2005. All last season, he had just 11 tackles.
The recent decision to void the final year of his contract, then, is a rather surprising one. On perhaps any one of the other 31 teams in the NFL, he would have been cut by now. Last offseason, Oakland opted to cut loose third-round rookie DE Quentin Moses ahead of Brayton.
Now the soon-to-be career backup has opted to pay back the franchise that has overpaid him by cutting the leash and running away.
When other teams actually see him running, however, they may pass.
Hopefully team owner Al Davis doesn’t believe in second chances.
Shoot … Art Shell.
Anthony Carroll can be contacted at acarroll@realfootball365.com
February 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I believe you need to lose more free agents than you sign and then it´s based on production.
We signed Carslile, Cornell Green, Dom Rhodes and Newberry that I recall right now, I think we ”got” more than we lost. So no compensatory picks for us.
Correct me If I´m wrong please.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
actually a compensation pick in the 3rd round is more like a early 4th round pick…to have the 36th in 3rd or to have the first in the 4th round is almost the same…so I hope we get a 3rd R comp for Langston, becuase a 4th is so late it is a 5th…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I will do cartwheels if we get Chris Long. He may be the sigle safest pick of the top 5. Please get me that kid then get a DT in the 2nd and a MLB in the 3rd. I will double my season tickets.
There’s a MLB that i would love to get late 2nd early 3rd, If we get C. Long then I wuldn’t mind getting the DT from Fresno St in the 6th just for depth. He’s a 2gap guy with a little upside. Just get me C long. Or at least one of the 3.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I was talking about compensatory picks, by the way.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
LMN,
I think those two were also cut, but even if they do qualify us for a compensatory pick(s) it would probably be in the 7th round…don’t you think?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
From what I’ve heard Parcells is pretty high on Chris Long. No matter if the Raiders pick 3rd or 4th I doubt that Chris Long will be available. If he is still on the board, it is most definitely a no brainer.
So BHP who do you pick if Long isn’t available?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I think Bob is right:
http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_draftcomp.htm
Looks like we can’t count on a pick from Walker signing with the Bills.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
what about our 2nd round pick, what should we go after there? what good names are available?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
BHP,
Were does that 3rd rounder to draft the MLB come from? I don’t think we have a 3rd rounder this year, or a 5th rounder for that matter. Maybe we can trade AW for a 5th rounder or package him with a third rounder next year to pick up a 3rd this year?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
LMN-it’s likely Miami will take Long-perfect fit for parcells system.anyone who thinks we can drop to 10 or 11 and still get Ellis is not following things.btw,Mcfadden’s stock is falling and he is being passed by other RBs.there is no way he goes top 5 unless we do the wrong thing and pick him.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Lefty, Where did you hear that info on McFadden?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
well i’m off to see my kittycat show, ‘Big Cat Diary’ I still think Rob Ryan should let our D watch that show, perhaps they could learn to wrap around, pull down and tackle…
February 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Dakota-post 1134 will explain where we get a 3rd.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Sedrick Ellis in a heartbeat because I don’t thik Dorsey will be there. However I would like to get Ellis a little cheaper but I don’t want to chance NOT getting him so I probably would overpay.
If Richardson pans out and we get Ellis that in my mind would be he start of a very good Dline with Kelly on the rebound. Clemons as a pure rush end and Burgess returning to the old Derrick. I just want that MLB in addition and I gaurantee you this defense will improve by leaps and bounds. I’m fine with the safety switch the coaches have made.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
BlankedHolePreist: Chris Long is better then his dad?! You’re talking about a kid that played as a 24 year old in college last year! Can you imagine the advantage of being an avg of 3 years older then everyone else in college?! He only had 1 good year, his senior year. When he was 22 ( the same age as the rest of the nations seniors) he had like 2 sacks and 10 tkl’s for losses….please. Plus his best 4oyd dash in college was 4.8 and as a pass rusher in the NFL you’d better be faster then a 4.8. Even if he’s stronger then most hope, he’ll be another Tyler Brayton.
To Tay: No such thing as a shut down corner? You should stop quoting Jim Mora Sr. (playoffs) and take a look back at Dioen Sanders career. When you have 1 man shut down an entire side or area of the football feild it changes the game. If you watched any of the games last year did you notice how Nhamndi would shut down his side of the field? (thats when you a CB has reached an elite level) They hardly through to his side, can you imagine getting another high caliber CB? When you limit the QB’s options, especially in the man to man scheme, it opens up the door for the DL to brake through and make plays in the backfield.
Get it?
Got it?
Good!
I’m “Just In Baby”
February 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Why are yall dumb fools posting the same information when the season is over? Jerry basically has nothing to talk about. But, dummies wouldnt understand that I see.
poakedglenn needs to get a job already!
raidermutt needs to stop being a “race monger” and snitch that e-mails the moderator
dakota fanning needs attention and another movie
February 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Miami most likely won’t be able to trade the pick. Unless they take a much lesser deal in return vs previous years traded #1s. Put the smart money on Long then Matt Ryan then Ellis. I just don’t think they’re going with Dorsey to play in a 3-4 despite the persistence of these stupid mockers.
I’ve been saying this since last year. Long will likely go #1 not Dorsey. Looks like people are finally listening.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=92C14B033A0A619B1FF8C252F428ECF8?id=09000d5d8069cf69&template=with-video&confirm=true
February 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
i saw an updated mock that had him falling to about 12-15.also M.Mayock(?) dropped him behind the guy from Ill. and had Stewart and DM about the same.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I’m assuming we move up or get him early 4th, I just want him, he’s a prototype MLB. So I guess I’m saying do what we’ve got to do, but get him.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I just ran across this link, check this out for a laugh! I love Emmitt Smith, but this is too funny to pass up.
http://walterfootball.com/emmitt.php
February 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I think Ellis is our best fit as well and I wouldnt be mad if we got him at 3 or 4, of course if McFadden isn’t available, and the only reason I think we can trade down and still get Ellis is,as of right now he’s not being projected high on the one of many mock drafts I’ve seen. He’s tops on my personel list but things could change between now and April and his stock could rise and I wouldnt be suprised.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Terrapin you’re exactly right. If anyone can trade down it’s us at three or four. We’re in a pretty good position cause, the top 5 are exceptional players. After that it drops off pretty good.
RJV, Chris Long is gonna be a very good player no doubt. Miami is gonna be stuck with one overall, we might be able to move down, but it looks like everyone wants to move down and load up on pix this draft.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
That’s what your pinion is but I happen to differ. That kid can play. Tyler has NO moves Long has almost all of them. He is soo much further ahead than his father it’s not funny. At 285 I’ll take a 4.8 anyday.
There are safeties playing at 4.75 and playing very well.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Is it possible that Tyler Brayton is Dummer than He looks?
February 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Terrapin: DO you really think Parcells will go #1 and take Chris Long?!?!?! If he’s saying that then he’s lying because that kid is no where near being a #1 pick. If I think dorsey is overrated @1 then Chiris Long should never be mentioned again on anyones top 5 list.
I’m in (da house)
February 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Anyway I don’t judge a DE in the damn 40 anyway. You judge them based on burst and quickness and Change f direction. What maoves they have and competitiveness. And he’s top rated in all of them.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
“Dummer”…yikes, I hope you were joking RRPL, or you are dumber than you look LOL.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
do we move down if either dorsey or ellis is available when we pick?are there enough quality dts later to get a stud?these are ? that need to be answered.oh to be a fly on the wall,or have insight into Kiffins brain.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
RJV78 If you don’t see that C. Long is a top 5 pick you shouldn’t let people know it.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
poakedglenn feelings were hurt by my post. Thats why she trolled my name. I like that-That thing just let me know I always beat her
February 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
raidermutt what are you doing
raidermutt says just snitchin
February 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
To OakGlenn and BluntHolePreist: You 2 may be right about Chris Long, he might be a good player in the NFL one day. I just cant get past the fact that he played at 24 year old last year, I’m getting this Chris Weinke feeling about him. Plus I hear he couldn’t brake 5sc on the 40yd dash and he barley got 4.8 a handful of times. You dont think he’s got the spotlight on him a little bit extra just because he’s Howie’s boy? Chris hasn’t played a single down in the NFL so its IMPOSSIBLE to be better then his dad.
Yo stoy aqui.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
RJV-C.Long not a top 5 pick?Dorsey overrated?D Mac. should be our 1st round pick?excuse me,but do you know what the hell your talking about?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
You guys really put Chris Long in the top 5 in the nation?!
Think about that one……
Then get back to me.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
RJV, it’s a great point you bring up. Still, 24-34, you could get 10-11 years of excellent defensive line play from the guy. That works for me.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
not only do most of us,but so do the guys who do this for a living.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
RJV, I watched this guy play a half against Virginia Tech, a hated rival, who’s left tackle is gonna go pro and long had I think 6 tackles, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble. IN ONE HALF. That’s pretty damn good. And that’s what you’re looking for at that level.. guys who go in and just dominate.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
To Lefty: If you read anything I wrote I said you cant pass on McFadden if he’s there, Dorsey is overrated @#1, and I still dont think C. Long is a top 5 pick, not even top 10.
I’m all In.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
RJV don’t believe us just go to any scout service worth looking at. This one is rather easy……..for most of us. Better yet watch the kid play.
Then again why bother.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Mods you might want to ban that knucklehead. He’s even posting under Jerry’s name.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Long also plays a position that people in the business(GMs,Coaches)realize is one of the most important positions on the football field and one of the hardest to fill,unlike RB which is one of the easiest to fill.while not every team has standout DEs almost every team has a quality RB.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I’m not saying C.Long is not going to have a good maybe great NFL career….. all I’m saying is that he’s not as good, right now, as everyone is making him out to be. Its hard to say I would take him over players like Dorsey, Mcfadden, Ellis, Rivers(usc), Leirinautus(osu), Phillips(mia), Stewart(ore), Malcom Kelly or Desuan Jackson. With players like that in the draft its hard to say Chris Long is in my top 5 or even 10.
It doesnt bother anybody he played as 24 year old last year?
Chime in.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
explain why you can’t pass on DM.if he’s there when we pick that means others passed on him.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
mods might want to ban that unemployed snitch
February 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
BlogHolePreist: I seen 2 of his games last year and some stuff on the internet, thats why I think he sucks, and aren’t you the guy who said he’d take R. Moss over any?!?! Thats right, you are…..I dont have to say anything else….
Case closed…..
You’re In…… (Moss’s sack)
February 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
as for Long being 24-guys at BYU are always older than everyone else due to their mission work and there are plenty of BYU players in the NFL.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
What is the 24 all about, so what he’ll be a little lder than most it’s not like 27-28, That kid could play until he’s 38. It’s a matter of talent and dedication get off the 24, Marcus Allen was 24 when we got him.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
RJV, he’s completely dominant. I don’t care if he’s 50. If he’s out there dominating everyone around him, he’s a player. No doubt about it. Weinke was never a player. He won a Heisman, and he wasn’t a player. That’s the difference.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Lefty probably makes the best point. Pass rushers that can actually GET to the QB are difficult to find. (see Oakland Raiders 2003-present)
February 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Lefty: We do pick high 3 or 4. The only chance McF even falls to us with those picks is if we get lucky and a team goes for a QB early and just assume Dorsey goes 1 or 2. I think McF goeas 1 or 2 especially with the success Bush and Peterson accomplished the last 2 years. Dont forget McF came in 3rd place for the Heisman, as a junior! The kid is deffinatly talented and tell me it wouldnt be a good thing to have McF and J.Russ on the same team. The last team to draft a QB #1 then a top 5 on a RB the next year was um……. let me think…… oh thats right, the Indy Colts (Manning-James) I wonder where those picks sent that franchise???? If McF And Ellis are available it would be a difficult choice…. but I still choose McF.
In.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Can we save the draft fights until after FA? lol what if we go out and land haynesworth and terrell suggs? then we are free to draft what we want, the needs fitting most of the top 5 players in the draft would be filled, then we could really get into some juicy trade down scenarios
February 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
What is going on Oakglenn?
Hey check out post #1037
I was building my mock online and was thinking about some issues
February 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
RJV,i don’t expect us to change your opinion but i would like to know why you think he sucks.i’ve stated many times i don’t want DM and given my reasons for my apathy towards him.what are your towards Long besides age?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I was trying to get your opinion
February 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=3200069&yr=2008
According to this site Chris Long was born March 28, 1985…he will be 24 on March 28, 2009…where are you getting your information RJV78?
He was 22 years old last year and will be 23 and 1 month old when the draft rolls around. That is no reason not to pick him LOL.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Its true, DE is one of the most hardest positions to play and thats why I think it’ll take a more talented athlete then C.Long to succeed at the NFL level. He’s not a Jevon Kearse, Jayson Taylor, Reggie White or Charles Hays (those are top caliber DE) like you guys are making him out to be. I think the fact he played older then al the reat of the kids is going to be a dissadvantage for him coming out. I dont see him blowing past or bull rushing any OL in the NFL with his skill set.
Queres mas?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Dude I’ve seen Chris play and trust me he has the goods. The boy is legit. It has nothin to do with his father.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Charles Hays*****Charles Haley
February 11th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Oakglenn Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
RJV, I watched this guy play a half against Virginia Tech, a hated rival, who’s left tackle is gonna go pro and long had I think 6 tackles, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble. IN ONE HALF. That’s pretty damn good. And that’s what you’re looking for at that level.. guys who go in and just dominate.
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That sounds about right
February 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
He was just as dominate on his level as Dorsey/Ellis/Jake Long. So how that be a disadvantage in the next level. Keyshawn Johnson was drafted in the first round, TO was drafted in the 6th round the same year. TO started at a junior college before going to TEN-CHAT and was 2 years older than everybody. DId that hurt him?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
it’s doutful Mcfadden even goes top 10.please refresh my memory as to Bushes great contributions.at the end of this last year,everyone was saying how Houston made the correct call by taking the DE over bush.Will-when a player has been franchised,you can’t get him(Haynesworth).however,Odoms would be a nice pickup-and he’ll probably be available.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Hey guys, just read that Miami cut DT Keith Traylor. Think he might fill a gap in Oakland?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4707
Another site that states Chris Long was born 3-28-1985…again RJV, where are you getting this crap about him being 24 years old?
February 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Dakota: If that is true then I stand corrected about his age. I read on numerous sites that he missed his first 2 years of college and quilified for elegibility for the last 2 years….. I’ll look into that but if its true then I do stand corrected.
But I still dont feel the hype on him, based on what I’ve seen and read.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Dude you just said you would pick McFadden as the #1 pick. My conversation with you is already over.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
he is a football player first. he came from a hall of fame father. That let me say ” was effing ferocious and nasty” who everybody thought was under-sized and over-matched. How did that turn out? HMMMMMMMM!
February 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
So what if im unemployed. I enjoy posting all day and conversating
February 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Run DMC won’t make it past the Jets. Them and KC are the only really teams in the top 10 looking for a RB
February 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
It looks like I got bad info on that one but everyone in here didnt point it out except Dakota (kudos).
I still think theres better players in the draft but we’ll have to wait and see!!!!!
I’m in (the doghouse)
February 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
lefty-did haynesworth get franchised? last time i checked on espn, he hadn’t been
February 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
did you check out that post oakglenn
February 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Not yet raider will
February 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
MIA let go of a lot of people for a reason?
they have the were are going to lose mentality.
and the raiders could only use OT Hudson(i think that is his name), and maybe Marty Booker
Haynesworth is going to want a lot of money if he isn’t franchised
February 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
RJV-one thing you’re right about-he isn’t a Kearse or Taylor-he is a complete player,not just a pass rushing specialist.he also stops the run.
February 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I think Keith Traylor would make a good clogger in the middle
February 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Ladies and Gentleman, we have now entered the Howie Long’s kid Chris’ hype phase!!!!! We’ll see how it plays out in Sept.
Good luck Chris!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
but he will be.if he isn’t that puts up one hell of a red flag.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Tyrant, thanks I really appreciate it. It’s just been a little busy in here lately. First off, with the safety position, this kid Jamie Silva you bring up, is just unbelievable. Now we’re not gonna get him, because he’s one of those guys that “doesn’t look good getting off the bus”. He doesn’t look good coming off the bus, The thing is he looks REAL good as soon as he steps on to a football field. This guy is just the definition of “football player”. I was watching the Boston College bowl game and BC is winning, the other team comes driving for the go ahead score and Silva just goes in and RIPS the ball out of the opponents arms to save the game!!!! AND THEN HE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!!! Unbelievable!!! First team all american, I think. Good call on him Tyrant. Great player, I would love to have him. We’re not gonna get him, cause he doesn’t fit out style of guy. Look for possibly Jamar Adams the safety out of Michigan in the 4th round or Dennis Keyes the safety out of UCLA in the 6th.
With regards to the 3/4 Personally, I’m not a big 3/4 guy. I don’t know why I’m not, it might be that you get your guys in there and your d is good, and then guys get hurt, they’re very hard to replace in a 3/4. Think of the nose tackle. How many really athletic 345 lb guys do you see??? And then you need a similar sized guy to back him up. And then what happens if they get hurt??
So, 4/3 guys are easier to replace.
Lastly, we run basically the same defense the NY Giants, GB Packers and Jacksonville Jaq’s all run. Very similar to what we do. Those teams just do it better. Tyrant, to me, the difference in those teams and our team is the NY Giants, Joke-sonville and GB their D lines are OVERWHELMINGLY better than ours. Fla Pete keeps bringing up Corey Williams a free agent DT out of GB, that I would LOVE to have here, and Williams can barely crack the lineup in GB. What’s that tell ya?? That’s the difference to me. Sorry to be so lengthy, everyone.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Am I the only one in here that thinks Darren McFadden is going to have a better NFL career then Chris Long?!?!?!?!?!
Enlighten me
February 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
not really a red flag, tennesse has been letting alot of guys go in recent years to avoid having a tight salary, maybe they don’t want to meet his asking price, and know if they tag him, they’re stuck with a salary they don’t want to pay
February 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
We won’t be worrying about how good he is going to be.
we will hoping that Ellis/Dorsey are not flops.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
RJV-please read post 1302 and get back to me.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Traylor is too old and would be a waste of $$$ and provide yet another example of the Raiders picking up a player on the downside of his career.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
That was exactly what is was thinking. and also in the Champs Sports bowl the first kick-off gets ran almost to the house
but out of nowhere from the other side of the field flying down dives and saves the game. that is heart. but i also think what you do on the 3-4 but it is dominate against the run AThe only difference btween us and the rest of those d’s we play more man than any team is history that is why we cannot lose nnamdi
February 11th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
it would be detrimental to our immediate future
February 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Will,i may be wrong,but i believe Tenn. has more cap space this year than almost everyone.besides letting RBs and WRs,which they don’t seem to value much,go is different than big time DTs.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
i still think we are gonna trade down. i don’t think that the top 5 deserve top 5 salary. i don’t think al will either. no superstars this year. i think the board is fairly even. probably the most even its been since i can remember.
i think theres a good possibility that late first and early second rounders will outperform the elite with a few gems in the second day even.
if jerry can’t get miami to budge he shouldn’t have much trouble convincing al even though you know al will be askin for an arm and a leg. hopefully he gets it.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
oh yeah i was looking at some projections last night
and they said that GOsder Cherilus a OTfrom Boston College that is huge!!!!will be there in the 2rd. he could fill a big spot on the right or left side. And Jordy Nelson should be there in the 4th rd. He is amazing. He has everything we need in a receiver.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
WOW – Mayock just said he wouldn’t touch McFadden with the TOP 20 picks in the draft! whoa. Thats a strong statement – says he has great burst, great accelaration but he wasn’t as impressed as he thought he would’ve been. Exactly!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
so you don’t think that Ellis/Dorsey/C.Long aren’t worth drafting 3rd or 4th. when that is what we need to excel you must be NINER FAN!!!!!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
unfortunatly,i’m not a big Haynesworth guy.i have problems with guys who have career years in contract years.while he has always been a good player,he was never a beast until this year.that being said,he’s better than anything we’ve got so i’d take him in a NY minute.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
i am telling you that if he is still there the Jets are going to get him
February 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
i agree lefty, i raised that point a while back about him exploding, and matching his career stats in his contract year, but with what we’ve got, i’d take him
February 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
yeah, but you might have to overpay for him. then he might get hit with the Shaun Alexander-syndrome.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
maybe Jerry Jones is paying off Mayock to get DM to fall?
February 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Mike Mayock probably one of the most trusted scouts in my book, doesn’t have Darren macFadden in his top 20 players in this draft. But he has C long #3 overall. I’m not sure I agree with him on McFadden but I definitely agree that McFadden is the most overrated of the top 5 in my book. I’ll give my reasons why later. But He just is too straight linish for my money and lacks the make you missability that I look for in any great back. McFadden I think is in the top 10 but he may not be the best back in this draft IMO. I think it’s Stewart from Oregon.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
careful Terp,you’re going to cause Dakota to slit his wrists.btw,i think Mayock is the best talent evaluator out there.i know last year he was right on.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
tyrant I really like Jordy Nelson. Also the Boston College offensive linemen seem to do well in the NFL. If you go back to my post tho, to me we HAVE to get our defensive line on par with the best in the NFL. Drafting Dorsey/Ellis and Trevor Laws/Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd would do that. Or if Red Bryant the DT from Texas A&M or possibly Keilen Dykes the DL from West Virginia are there in the 4th. you could take an offensive player in the 2nd round, which the Raiders probably will. I wouldn’t tho.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Keith Traylor…..
I remember when he was drafted by Denver as a MLB in 1991, you had to get your info from Athlon´s magazine and the likes back then, I remember being a kid and waiting anxiously for their annual previews to come out around July (Athlon´s was always the first one) going to the store every day to ask the guy if it had arrived yet.
17 years and 100 plus pounds later, Traylor is till out there. I feel old.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
well putting his age aside now, I’m just not being sold this kid will have succesful NFL career as a DE. He just doesnt strike me as M.Williams or Jevon Kearse, he reminds me more of Brayton whom we already have. It seems like he might be alternated between DT and DE from time to time and might make some plays but will never take over a game like the great DE in NFL history. I mean come on….. the DE is one of the hardest positions to play and dominate at, you’re talking about players like J.Taylor C.Hayes and Reggie White who can take over games and I dont see that in C.Long. I’m sure he’ll have his moments, but from what I’ve seen he doesnt possess the hand or foot speed or that so called “burst” of an elite DE. Remember, teams are set up to stop edge rushers, I just hope for Chris’ sake he’s as good as everyone is making him out to be especially if we draft him at 3 or 4.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Priest,i’ve been saying that about Stewart all along.plus,the guy(Mendenhal?)from ill.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Tyler Brayton’s Team Picture:
http://www.movv.com/prvupload/uploads/super_retard_stfu.jpg
February 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Terrapin I don’t think it’s smoke Mike’s blowing the kid is definitely not the player everyne thinks he is. I’ve been saying that for 2months. He’s NOT. He lacks power and he’s just not that elusive IMO. You can get great bachs in this draft that have tools that HE doesn’t.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Sorry for boring you with that….got a little nostalgic there.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
RJV-he’ll be gone by 3or4
February 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Agreed Priest – Mayock is a lil harsh on McFadden. All that speed and burst gotta count for something. He’s prob worthy Top 20 for sure. But like you’ve said and I’ve said – I just don’t see him making people miss a lot – straight line speed just trying to run by you instead of juke you all day.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
There ids a kid named chris Johnson that has star quality and I mean star quality he’sjust on the small side. If he were 15 lbs. heavier I would compare him to Tomlinson.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
no tyrant-
i’m saying that their numbers aren’t going to support the money they’re gonna get paid. Their will be lower draft picks making less money either keeping par or outperforming the ones in the top 5.
if kiffin has an eye for talent like everyone in the organization says he does then don’t you think it would be advantageous to give him more draft picks???
February 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
I’ve been saying Stewart is a beast for the past 2 weeks, a great top 10 sleeper. Since I’ve been stating my veiws on C.Long…. someone chime in on why ya’ll think McFadden is a bust.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
There’s a rumor that Tyler Brayton would eat Paste during team meetings… Is that true?
February 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Dont forget about Ray Rice from Rutgers (RB), 2nd round sleeper.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Hey Pickled, it’s all true.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I wuld take Stewart over Dmc any day. Stewart is 230 lbs. and very elusive and powerful. He’s is the one that’s underrated. Someone is going to get a pro bowl talent at #10 or 11. He can flat out play.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
it’s not that he’s a bust,it’s that we have more pressing needs and good RBS can be had later.however,DM played in a gimmicky off. just like Brennan did at Haw.on his own team,F.Jones had a better ypc in every game except the 2 Jones was hurt.also last year DMs mamma threatened to pull him out of hogsville if the off. wasn’t set up for him.those are MY reasons.nobody has to agree,they are MINE.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
you are sooooooooooooo wrong
the only people close to ellis/dorsey is laws/jackson
and they are going to be hardly less expensive long you might be right but that is why the draft is a gamble.
Oakglenn i hope that they do get laws in the 2rd but i don’t see that happening plus in the 4th we are looking for a WR (according to a friend of mine that works as an equipment manager for Oakland) that is why i think that Jordy Nelson will actually be a real possibility and i heard that oakland is really big on RB from Georgia Tech. Tashard Choice in the later rounds.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I like Stewart to, he reminds me of Jones-Drew. Dont forget McFadden can pass and catch…. am I the only D-Mac supporter?! Wow, you guys wouldn’t have JeMarcus Russell and darren McFadden on the same team given the oppurtunity?!?!?!?!
Thats crazy! But I respect everyones opinion…. it just sounds crazy!!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Dude he’s not a bust don’t be stupid he’s just not the player people in here think he is and I’ve been trying to tell them for months that I wasn’t all that impressed with him. but if he slips to say 15 or 16 that’s where your going to get good solid value.
I’ve been trying to tell the people in here that Michael Bush would start over McFadden and they thought I was crazy. But Bush is going to be a dominant player for the Raiders for a long time.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
and yes it is true about Tylor BRayton!!!
also Barry Simms is a drunk
February 11th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I don’t think mc fadden will be a bust. he has the potential to be good just because he can break a run if a DB takes a bad angle. i didn’t see him make a move all year. his speed is sick but a lot and i mean a lot of the yards i saw him gain came from him just bouncing it outside and out running everyone. that’s not gonna fly in the pros.
he always had gaping holes to run through and like everyone here has been saying rarely had to move laterally to make someone miss. if he gets behind a lousy line he’s gonna suck. if someone with a solid line drafts him, look out.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
if we had the NYG def.line and the NEP o-line i’d love to have DM with Russell.but we don’t!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
The issue to me about McFadden, and I like McFaden, don’t get me wrong, is Felton and Luigs the Guard and Center on that Arkansas line are just out and out studs. Shoot I could gain yardage behind those two guys.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I can’t believe someone actually still remembers Bush’s name in here!!! lol a lot of people are in the right here right now!!!!!!!!
But DMC is not the only player that can run and pass
most players in the NFL and a lot in NCAA played some QB in high school or college. Look at Curry he was a 6th rd pick as a QB from North Carolina. They don’t focus on a lot of trick in the NFL
February 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Yes we do have other needs, I dont even put RB in my top 5 needs for 2008. After watching DMcF play the last 2 years it seems exciting to have him and Russell grow together on the same team. when NO drafted R.Bush they had many other needs not to mention another star RB in Mcallister.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
good point
it is like the denver broncos O LIne
anybody can gain 1000 yards behind there line(normally)
now we have there LIne coach and zone blocking scheme
February 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
But that would take the money focus,and play focus off J-Marc. Who is the future of this Franchise
February 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
And don’t forget Tyrant, we also have San Diego’s playbook!! Thanx, James Lofton.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Tyrant: No trick plays huh?! Tell L.T that, tell him right after he throws his annual HB pass for a TD on us! Versatile RB are an asset in the red zone, an area we lacked in last year.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Yeah, right guys, McFadden sucks and will be a bust. He should drop out of the top 20 picks, blah, blah, blah…
LOL, you guys will be singing a different tune when he wins offensive ROY while wearing the Silver and Black.
Yeah baby, draft McFadden!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
yes if we trade down and get trevor laws, jackson or even derrick harvey or quentin groves at and end position. Depends what happens with richardson. but yes choosing them around fifteen will cost considerably less than signing a #4.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
jerry-we need something dude. we hit 1300!!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
bush was a highly thought of QB in HS so we already have that covered.i agree with priest,we already have a future star at RB-Bush.and we can get an insurance back later in the draft.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
and we get more picks
February 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I do agree we have the blocking system set up too have a succesful RB every year, but imagine superstar RB behind our blocking scheme, it wouldnt hurt. Ask J.Russ if he wants the combonation of McFadden(speed) and Bush(power)in the backfield.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
and more $$$ for free agency. we have enough youth!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
WHY WE SHOULD GET MCFADDEN AND WHY IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER IF WE DID OR DID NOT, SO READ THIS:
We should get mcfadden, though it’s true we got M.Bush, he doesn’t have breakout speed, bush is a good half back, but he is very similar to LaMont Jordan, that’s why i’m not really trippin in we release Jordan. If we do get mcfadden, we’ll have a similar offense to what the saints had in 06. a breakout speedster in mcfadden, just like reggie bush, and someone who can pound it in M.Bush, just like, Mcalister, also fargas is a good half back, but does he have the speed to burn defenders? not really, though it would be nice if we keep him. Also it brings me to another point, last year, the Vikings drafted A.Peterson when they already had Chester Taylor, and look at the damage they did in their division! they would have gone to the playoffs if they had a better secondary and QB.
Though in the end, i wouldn’t be dissapointed if we didn’t draft mcfadden, as long as we get someone with very fast speed later in the draft(remember, this year’s draft is LOADED with good RB) or in FA. Fargas is good for the raiders in the mean time.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Mark my words, Jonathan Stewart will have a better pro career than Darren McFadden. And J. Stewart does not deserve top ten billing.
This is based on nothing but perception. No hype machine, no Heisman machine, the Stewart kid can play.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
if you think that in his rookie season Kiffin is going to have this guy throw effing passes your nuts
and Jordy Nelson was the Back up at Kansas St and he is also a sick ass WR
February 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
bush if he is as good as you all think he will be would never co exist with d mac. ever. its silly to think so.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
After watching Ellis at the Senior Bowl against supposedly top college talent I am having a harder time accepting the trade down philosophy. The Raiders just can’t miss on one of these guys. I was all for it before, but now? Its harder to see – afraid they’ll actually miss out.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
bush doesn’t have break away speed?????????????
HE RAN A 4.6
February 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
it depends on what team DMC goes to
but you might be right
to the other guy
DON’T compare Adrian Peterson to DMC
That is not even close
AD could have come and played out of High School NO B/S!!!!!!!! Ask Terrel Owens!!!!!!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
You guys Chris Long, Jake Long, Sedrick Ellis, Glenn Dorsey, and Darren McFadden really are no miss talents. Tho, I think there are plenty of good backs in this draft. With a very high pick, you have to take one of the big men. Have to.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
But TAashard Choice does have break away speed
and he will be there in the 6th rd. If you watched the North-South game you know who this guy is
February 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
2sense Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
bush doesn’t have break away speed?????????????
HE RAN A 4.6
True, he’s more like a LaMont Jordan type, maybe even a Jerome Bettis type, that’s why we need some one with break away speed, and as much as he is a good RB, no, Justin Fargas nor Dominic Rhodes fit the bill, though they are a good choice if Al is too stupid to get someone with speed
February 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
People where saying the same thing about Peterson at last years draft……
He’s to much of a speed rusher….
No patience for holes…..
He had an injury that slowed him down…..
The NFL’s single game yards rushing leader: Peterson
Off. ROY: Peterson
I just feel that the players who come straight out of college that make an immediate impact are the RB positions and DT. Its easy to say the last 2 drafts the players who made the quickest impact on there team or had success were R.Bush and A.Peterson. I feel good about picking Ellis or McFadden both can make an immediate impact next year and could possibly be the hump to push us to 500. again.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
the team needs veteran leadership. it has none right now. even our coach is young. nnamdi is the closest thing to a vet on the ENTIRE team. everyone else is young. (except for porter but we all know his leadership qualities)
trade down. get volume, save $$$ and sign FA!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
AMEN OAKGLENN
ELLIS OR DORSEY is the choice
February 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
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1999 2 9 40 Tony Bryant Florida State
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1997 1 2 2 Darrell Russell USC
1997 6 30 193 Grady Jackson Knoxville
1996 5 34 166 LaRoi Glover San Diego State
1994 4 17 120 Austin Robbins North Carolina
1992 1 16 16 Chester McGlockton Clemson
1991 6 7 146 Nolan Harrison Indiana
1989 10 11 262 Charles Jackson Jackson State
1988 4 8 90 Tim Rother Nebraska
1985 8 24 220 Leonard Wingate South Carolina State
1983 2 26 54 Bill Pickel Rutgers
1981 2 20 48 Howie Long Villanova
1981 4 28 111 Johnny Robinson Louisiana Tech
1980 10 15 264 Walter Carter Florida State
1979 12 17 320 Reggie Kinlaw Oklahoma
1976 2 6 34 Charles Philyaw Texas Southern
1974 17 19 435 James Morris Missouri Valley College
1972 3 20 72 Mel Lunsford Central State (OH)
1972 6 1 131 Dan Medlin North Carolina
1971 10 19 253 Tim Oesterling UCLA
1971 11 19 279 Jim Poston South Carolina
1971 12 19 305 Horace Jones Louisville
1971 14 19 357 Tom Gipson North Texas State
1969 1 22 22 Art Thoms Syracuse
1967 7 17 176 Ron Lewellen Tennessee-Martin
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Raiders past draft od DE and DT.
Please note we have had some success after the #3 round, but very little.
The drafts we have taken a DT or De #1 or #2 is a little better.
The Draft is not a sure thing, I like our odds in picking an early first round DT or DE.
My personal opinion, Leon Bender never got a chance but I believe was going to be a stud.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Don’t forget about Jared Allen Who is from D-2
Carriker, M. williams d players recently that are contributing on their teams BIG!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
RaiderDell, I’m impressed. Nice backlog info.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Wow its like Deja Vu, there was NO A.Peterson supporters in this blog last year!!!!! Now its “dont compare him” lol! It seems its the same thing going on with MCF but when he’s lighting it up next year he’s going to have a million supporters.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
M
The draft is like going to Vegas, win some lose more often.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Let’s face facts here boys and girls:
Fact #1) Al Davis never trades down from the top of the first round;
Fact #2) Al Davis loves talented athletic players.
What do these two facts tell you?
MCFADDEN!
That being said, I do not think AD is crazy enough to pass up Chris Long, Dorsey or Ellis, so the only way McFadden is a Raider is if they are all off the board because we lost the flip with ATL for #3.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
There is not one DT that matches up with Ellis or Dorsey since Chester McGlockton in 1992 from Clemson and he wasn’t Too shabby!!! and that is when the Raiders started making another run towards the SuperBowl and Dominating the AFC in the 90’s and early 2000’s
February 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
FACT #1 Al’s D has been in the top 10 only 1 time in 5 years and that tells you MCFADDEN!!!!
I think that means Ellis or Dorsey then bulk up the Secondary and WR
FACT #2 Al is all about the vertical game not the RUN!!!
so if MCFADDEN was a WR it would be a no brainer
February 11th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
mcglockton was a load. he was good a few years before he turned into an overweight lazy bum.
and we were average all through the nineties. get your history straight.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
and to set the record straight
I LIKE MCFADDEN!!!! i think that he is a great back
But Adrian Peterson is, and has been since his Sophmore year in High School, a GROWN ASS MAN!!!!!
McFadden probably won’t go to the hall of fame(depending on the team that he goes to)
A Peterson is pretty close to already going(barring injury)
and he went to a team that has never even thought of really running first. or even sniffed the playoffs because of a RB in almost forever
February 11th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Tyrant, if Dorsey, Long and Ellis are gone, and we are sitting at #4, who do you pick?
If betting was legal, I would bet you a 55 gallon drum of Crown Royal McFadden would be the pick given that scenario.
What say you?
February 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
i said started to dominate
it has always been difficult to dominate the AFC West
and that caused our mediocrity
February 11th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
that and NO QB
February 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
and to set the record straight
last year i wanted A peterson
not J-Marc
February 11th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
i say DO YOU WANT AGED CROWN ROYAL OR JUST POURED!!!! lol
February 11th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
tyrant, you didn’t want Jamarcus ??????? ahhhhhhhh!!
This kid Jamarcus is going to be fan-freaking-tastic. Mark my words on that one.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Dakota: Good point! If Dorsey, Ellis and the all of a sudden beloved prospect C.Long are gone @ 1,2,3….Do you still pass on MCF, Nation?!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
it makes me ill that people are trying to evaluate hall of fame talent after one and zero years in the NFL. That’s funny.
and so what if everyone was bashing AP. just cause he made it doesnt give dmc a free pass to success. cmon people. youre all brighter than that!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Dakota, let me say, regardless of who is chosen before, if McFadden is on the board there at three or four, he’s gonna be awfully hard to pass up. Especially if your last name is Davis. Believe me.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
the only one that knows if we should pass on dmc are the people on the practice field cuz they are the only ones that know if bush is our future.
none of us have seen him. we can’t evaluate anything he’s done so we can predict his success about as accurately as we can predict whether or not its gonna rain 20 days from now.
i still think we should trade down. but apparently i’m the only one!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
AP won’t last five years in the NFL IMO. He is simply one of those poor souls who are damned by the injury gods.
McFadden rarely missed a game in college.
It is not proof positive of which player will have a longer career, but it certainly bears some thought doesn’t it?
February 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
that is for sure!!!if DMC is there that late and the rest are takin’ you bet we are taking him. Or trading Dallas some picks (maybe Marion Barber)
Adrian Peterson is not just any back
even in college he caused a horrible ripple effect when he went to Oklahoma his rookie season
everyone knew then that he was something special!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
i think the line and the scheme are good enough to draft a late RB if we see a steal on the board and turn him into a Terrell Davis. Look what it did for fargas. can it be more obvious???!!!???
February 11th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
actually I do Know!!!!
My friend is one of the Equipment managers for the Raiders
and he says that Bush is Sick Ass hell and he is a Steelers Fan!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Tyrant says:that is for sure!!!if DMC is there that late and the rest are takin’ you bet we are taking him. Or trading Dallas some picks (maybe Marion Barber)
Adrian Peterson is not just any back
even in college he caused a horrible ripple effect when he went to Oklahoma his rookie season
everyone knew then that he was something special!!!!!
AND:OakGlenn says:Dakota, let me say, regardless of who is chosen before, if McFadden is on the board there at three or four, he’s gonna be awfully hard to pass up. Especially if your last name is Davis. Believe me.
Thats all I’ve been trying to say.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“sick as hell” good or “sick as hell” bad?
February 11th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I thought you were saying that DMC is a better choice than the other 3
My apologies
February 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I would love to miss on DMac. Even better, let KC snap him up. He’s the second coming of Michael Bennett.
I’ve ye to see one highlight that has doing anything than running real fast through gaping holes and outracing a bunch of college DBs that’ll never sniff the NFL. Someone please show me one highlight where he does something impressive that doesn’t fit that description.
If you need to look at only one place that proves that DMac is a system success guy, take a look at the stats of his backup, Felix Jones. On a per touch basis he actually outperforms DMac. This is a team that has broken 400 yards on the ground in games and it’s not all DMac.
Mayock seems to be the one that makes sense ranking him down with the lesser talent. He could do well as a change of pace guy in the right system, but he’s not the guy that I want to invest tens of millions on at the cost of not being able to sign or keep other top talent.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
if you show up and everybody that is already there decides to either switch to D or transfer to another school means “sick as hell” good!!! lol
February 11th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Mcfadden wil definatley be there at # 3 and #4…. so y is jerry jones cosidering giving miamai 2 first rounders and marion the barbarian…. he should give us that deal…. imagine…. we could take safety kenny phillips and desean jackson hopefully they would both be up there by the time the raiders pickd if they took that deal… in the 2nd round take pat sims that big DT which i will think b legit…. nd fyn some diamonds in the rough with the rest of the draft…. carolina just cut dan morgan that OLB because he kept getting injured and Al is good with signing people 2 resurrect their career so sign him and barrian…. so then our team would look like this
Qb russel
HA barber rhodes nd bush
FB griffith
WR jackson berrian curry higgins
DE burgess richardson kelly if resigned
DT pat sims, warren sands
OLB morgan howard
MLB morrison
CB asomougha washington
FS huff
SS phillips
that would be a big leap for this franchise if this were 2 happen
February 11th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Zymurge: Micheal Bennet really?!?! look at this and tell me Micheal Bennet….. Better yet all the McFadden Bashers today look at this and tell me what you think!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA
February 11th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
that’s what i figured. if thats the case dmc and oakland just won’t happen. al isn’t gonna shell out 15 million and not make him the featured back.
and i agree with Zymurge. i said it earlier every time i watched him his yards came from bustin a run outside. if he wasn’t he was runnin through a hole big enough to drive a truck through and out running DBs taking god awful angles.
he’ll still be good though because of his big play capability. and everyone needs to remember: JUST BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE TO DOESNT MEAN HE CAN’T.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
ALLS QUIET WITHIN THE ORGANIZAION. Is that good or bad?
February 11th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
good.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
if dallas gave us that deal
that would be the talk of the draft for years to come
because Kiffin IS an excellent evaluator of talent!!
that is why al chose him while trying to sway Carrol
February 11th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
THATS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING…..TRADE DOWN!
February 11th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
that is excellent
that means that they are more focused on fixing the problem rather than complain about it
February 11th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
If that link doesnt come up just go to youtube and type in McFadden and watch one his videos and tell me he’s the second coming of Micheal Bennet?!?!?!?
Rofl
Ass clown
February 11th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I agree although I would like to see a new d=line coach. I dont know who just someone differen t fot the sake of change since RR is most likely staying
February 11th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
any news on chad johnson or roy williams??
February 11th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
i would only trade down if Dallas gave us the Fore mentioned deal!!! Both of there 1rd picks and Marion
February 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
nobody seems to be addressing the WR position. shall we just leave it in its mediocre state and turn it into a TE offense like SD and KC?? or should we be aggressive in formulating a trade?
February 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Chads agent is telling him to quiet down. so is the bunghole organization. He’s costing himself value. Detroit has some problems over there between roy Williams and Shaun Rogers racing each other to see who can get out of the motor city fastest. My guess is neither will go. Again, no one is gonna give them what Matt Millen considers value.
The issue with us is Andy Walter. Can we get a 3rd rounder for him?? My guess is yes.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
well 2sense, we’re gonna have to hope we can get some late round or undrafted free agent action. Maybe Chris McFoy can play. I’m serious. He’s fast. It’s looking like, Dwight, MCFoy, Curry, Higgins, with probably one draft choice, and one undrafted guy in the mix.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
i think a 3rd rounder is reasonable. he never did get much of a chance and has starting experience.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Yes we need WR badly as well, Early Doecet is would be a steal in the 2nd rd…. Limas Sweed would be a great possesion reciever that can drop to the 2nd round as well. I see the Raiders drafting a WR in the 2nd rd.. I think the 08 draft is deep in CB’s and WR’s in the late 1st and 2nd rd’s. Malcom Kelly and Desaun Jackson are wet dreams if they slip that far.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
that line up is pitiful. i thought dwight wasn’t coming back.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
more reason to trade down.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Curry
Dwight
McFoy
Higgins
Thats Ugly!!!!!!!
I think I just raised the importance of WR higher on my off-season needs list!!
And there is no one in FA either!! Bernard Berrian? Really? Now I’m praying Limas Sweed or early Doucet are available in the 2nd rd.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Kiffin would be smart to put Madsen in the receiver corps! He’s not a blocker and could possibly be like an Ed Mcafree type WR. Lord knows he cant block.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Okay, I’ve been wobbling between, Dorsey, Ellis and Long for a long time, but those of you who are all for Ellis please explain me what you would do or think the raiders do if they pick Ellis…
Because, Ellis is best suited to be a tackle in a 3-4 defense where Dorsey would be best in 4-3.
Long can play DE in both schemes. So if we take Ellis would we shift back to 3-4? if so how are we going to solve the LB problems??
I would love to go back to 3-4, but the problem is we dont have enough players who fit in such scheme..
February 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
What about Whithead or Morrant? Just thought we could use a laugh
February 11th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
That’s one sorry crop of WR’s huh? That’s the bad news. The good news is WR is probably the easiest position to fill with studs. I’m thinking Jabbar Gaffney, or Bryant Johnson as a FA? Maybe both.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
That is a pretty pitiful WR corps
February 11th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
everyones talkin dt. i say trade down and get a decent wr in the lte first and a dt de in the second.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
1449!
February 11th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Actually Mr. Raider in the preseason game against the Phony whiners last year we were winning the whole game, the whiners go up late in the fourth quarter, Josh McCown drives the team 80 yards in 45 seconds with no timeouts, and hits Alvis Whitted right in the grill 7 yards in the end zone with 3 seconds left only to have him drop it!! And everyone wanted to cut McCown. That to me was funny.
Actually, just heard Parcells cut Trent Green. That means either John Beck and Cleo Lemon are all that or, Matt Ryan just lept to the top of ‘08 Draft class. Expect the latter.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
550 to go
February 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
they said madsen usd to be a reciever. that’s probably not far fetched.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Madsen was a receiver, Al davis said to him he would be cut after camp, but perhaps TE would be suited for him. Madsen understood, change position or leave….
February 11th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Actually LMN we are fitted for a 3-4, thats what Ryans tool was under Belachik @ NE and thats the scheme he brought to the Raiders but got abondoned behind the scenes because W.Sapp didnt like the 3-4. Since we do have a shortage of good DT and our strength is our fast LB’s it would be fitting. I wouldn’t dismiss putting Burgess @ OLB in some 3-4 schemes. We also have a few ‘tweeners” on the DL that could play either DE or DT (Richardson-Brayton-Kelly) and that adds even more dimension for the 3-4 scheme.
You missed the battles earlier……
But C.Long is overrated……
Chime in
February 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
couldn’t Madsen become a Wes Welker kind of receiver, he cant block but he can wrestle and fight for the ball
February 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Antonio Gates, Shockey,Anthony Gonzoles, TE and run oriented offenses. Safe,& time consuming. Miller and Bush could be much of the same
February 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
RJV78
I got it Long is overrated, and DMAC is your guy.
Please then tell me where Ellis, Dorsey and the other Long OT are in your mind.
Just chimming in!
February 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Lakers win again…fyi GSW fans. Maybe next century for the Warriors next championship? LOL.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’ve been calling for Madsen as a receiver since last year on this blog, it just makes sense. Everytime he’s in the game he gets wide open and goes for a big gain. Kiffin just needs to figure out how to get him and Miller on the field at the same time. Get your best receivers out there since you dont have many. Thinking how thin we are @ WR its making more sense to draft MCF, Russell might need it.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
RJ — Here’s my analysis of that highlight package you suggested:
Play #1 — great hole,he runs through untouched. Slants left and beats a CB coming across the field and then outraces the safeties. Michael Bennett.
Play #2 — off tackle left, beats slower lineman and LBs around the corner. Safey comes up and he makes what is supposed to be an impressive straight arm? DB gets knocked away while effectively knocking DMac out of bounds and completing the tackle. He looked about as strong as Michael Bennett on that.
Play #3 — looks like a counter to the right. Phenomenal zone blocking with lineman penetratingat least 7 yards into defensive 7. Not a defender near him for the first 15 yards of the run. Once he hits full speed he’s able to juke a flat footed safety and then runs straight down field for the rest of the 50+ yards with noone able to catch him. I blinked and I saw Michael Bennett.
Play #4 — punt return. He sees a hole in the coverage and runs virtually straight through it. Veers to the sideline and runs the rest of the way. If not Michael Bennett, then on this one I’ll say it was Patrick Buchanon.
Play #5 — sweep left, outruns the pursuit. At second tier, continues towards the sideline to beat to the corner again. Then runs the rest of the way. Guess who I saw? Michael Bennett.
The guy is fast, no doubt. Looks like he has good vision too. But until I see him doing more on his own, running hard through small holes, breaking tackles from lineman and linebackers, and juking people out of their socks I’m going to say that he’s a one trick pony. He has a place in the NFL but you can’t coach speed, but he’ll end up a role player.
Kind of like Michael Bennett . . .
February 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
DMAC is not my guy…although I’ve been supporting him all day. As I said earlier, I’m torn between DMAC and Ellis. I think they both make huge impacts on the team. I simply dont think Dorsey will be available and the other Long, Jake seems to be slightly overrated but its automatic he’ll go top 5 due to the fact that at least one OL goes in the top 5 or 10. Dont forget if DMAC falls to us he would be great trade bait on draft day, a team like Dallas might wait and see how far he drops then make a bid to the team that takes him, seeming how highly touted players like Quinn, Leinart and A.Rogers have fallen in recent drafts.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I never though I would say this, but the thought of losing Jerry Porter scares me a little bit. How do we replace him this year? The only free agents out there that might be better than him are Berrian and Bryant Johnson (probably not as good as JP). We could use our second rounder on WR, but I would rather address d-line or o-line in the second round. We could trade for C Johnson or R. Williams, but it would cost us dearly in picks. We could take a WR in the 4th round, but a 4th rounder is unlikely to contribute right away…yikes, I need some Rolaids.
Can we just hope a veteran WR gets cut and then pick him up as a stop gap next year and hope there are better free agent options or draft options for next year? Scary scary thoughts.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
ZMurge: C’mon man. I can have an open mind about not drafting DMAC if he’s there. If the Raiders draft Ellis I wouldnt be mad at all.
But to compare the potential of DMAC to Micheal Bennet……… thats just stupid.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Dakota
The only scary thing is a motivated Shaq in Phoenix, looking to help Steve Nash become a champion.
Nash has the records, now the championship.
Shaq will be soo motivated, when hen looks at Phil Jackson, on the bench and Kobe on the court.
That my brother is Scary.
Remember you can laugh all you want, Shaq is just one small part and will not need to do or be called on
to due the heavy lifting, just rebound and play defense.
His presence alone is a game changer.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Dakota, unfortunately, the last option is probably the best option. (see Andre Rison) Cut at the end of camp, and had a decent career with us, until the bill collectors took him away. I don’t want to spend high pix right now on WR’s. No.
You guys, you’re seeing we have a few holes here to fill. Hopefully we can get some undrafted guys to help.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Don’t worry about WR. It is arguably the easiest FA spot to fill. Other than guys like TO and (I hate to say it) Moss, there are very few that are true game changers that must be accounted for every play. The rest are products of the system and can be busts or All-Pros on alternating years.
If anything, the harder thing to find are those that can block effectively and that might be the most important thing in the run first approach. Guys like Keyshawn and McCaffery were real valuable in this regard. On that note — and running with Dakota’s comment in 1463 — Porter is an above average blocking WR. He’d be missed from that standpoint.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
RJV78…
yeah I know, but people here that suggest Ellis, seem not to understand if we choose him it’s paramount that we shift scheme. If we take Dorsey its business as usual
February 11th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Dakota
Now back to the myraid of Raider problems, as you were saying.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
James Lofton may have to suit up! It would be nice to have Madsen see more time, but realistically we need a deep threat WR to take advantage of J-Russ. JP is not a major deep threat, but man, there are really few options out there.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I’ve studied the possibilities, but still think we are too light in the LB-corp if we were to shift to a 3-4 scheme…
If we change to 3-4 its paramount to keep Kelly and Clemmons…
With Eliis…
Pass defense
Clemmons-Morrison-Thomas-Howard
Kelly-Ellis-Burgess
Run defense
Clemmons-Morrison-Howard-Burgess
Kelly-Ellis-Richardson
Sands and Gerard Warren should be in a rotation, then perhaps we can avoid Warren getting injuries. I still think Sands could do some good, I just think he is a player that plays best when his team is good…
February 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
RJV78
Thanks for the post, I guess in your opinion both Long’s are overrated.
I just don’t believe they will be a bust, all two of them.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Yo fools, what up?
Man Dakota, Kobe and Gasol are making it look easy. Can’t wait for the playoffs.
Concerning WR’s, I really thought Porter played very tough last year. Made some great catches and took some huge hits. I know everyone questions his character but the dude has gotten kind of a screwed deal in Oakland.
He’s had 2 years to be the man. 1 year, well, does’nt count and the other he had 4 different QB’s. Personally I would be very pleased if he stayed and we got another WR via FA, Berrian, Henderson or Bryant.
I’ve gone the full carousel with the first rounder and if we stay in the pick I am currently in the Dorsey corner. Check back in 2 weeks when I will switch yet again.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Zmurge: You just countered yourself in your own paragraph.
You said:(Darren Mcfadden)Play#1- “great hole,he runs through untouched. Slants left and beats a CB coming across the field and then outraces the safeties”
“Play #4 — punt return.” He sees a hole in the coverage and runs virtually straight through it. Veers to the sideline and runs the rest of the way”
Play #5 — “sweep left, outruns the pursuit. At second tier, continues towards the sideline to beat to the corner again. Then runs the rest of the way.”
Then in the same comment you say: “I’m going to say that he’s a one trick pony.”
Really? Running up the middle to the house for a TD, Running a sweep for a TD, then thanks for mentioning, he runs a punt for a TD!!!!!
Not to mention he threw for a few TD’s last year….If thats a one trick pony then show me a show horse!!!!!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I´m kind of with Zymurge…
I can´t get over DMAC´s skinny legs, that´s where RB´s get their power! and I know he´s been healthy but those chicken legs look ready to snap every carry.
Maybe he brings Napoleon Kauffman´s kind of home run ability on every carry but I want a 25 carry workhorse for a top 20 RB and DMAC´s body is built like a WR, not a top back.
Good night fellas.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Oh boy, back to the McFadden question eh?
Fellas, he’s not even the fastest RB in the draft!
If we take McFadden over a D Lineman I will personally seek out and punch Adrian Petersons mom right in the chops!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
not to interrupt…
but there’s a rumor about a 55 gallon drum of Crown Royal…
eh-hemm…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
LMN: If we dedicated ourselves to the 3-4 our need at DT becomes less neccasary and all of a sudden players like Liearanitus(OSU) or Rivers(USC) would be great picks available lower in the draft.
Raiderdell: I dont think the Long boys are going to be bust’s either, just not top 5 picks….in my opinion….but the way things are going right now, if the draft were tomorrow I do see both of them beeing picked in the top 5. Just in my opinion, I dont think there top 5 caliber players….. top 12 forsure.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Dell, one problem with your Shaq theory, believe me, he NEVER plays defense. Never flashes on the pick and roll. Never blocks as many shots as he should given his size. Never rebounds as dominantly as he should given his size and is a major liability on the FT line…and he can no longer move his feet on defense and picks up tons of fouls.
That being said, the Suns needed to try and do something different, so I applaud the gesture. Unfortunately for them they just traded for a $20 million dollar broken down Shaq.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I think Bernard Barrian would be a big pickup for us if we could get him. He could be a game braker with a good QB.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
SaintKauffmen:
Question: If we get the 4th pick and Dorsey, Ellis and C.Long just got picked and DMAC is sitting right in front of you….do you draft him? Wuold you really pass on him?
February 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Why would you think we have to shift shemes if Ellis is drafted? Didn’t Ellis play in both schemes at USC (4-3 & 3-4)? Granted, I don’t watch a lot of USC football but that is my understanding from USC posters. Besides MANY highly regarded pontificators project Ellis to be best fitted at undertackle in a 4-3 scheme (Sapp’s old spot). It just so happens that he’s capable of playing NT too.
Personally I would love to see this on defense. An every down DT that can allow the defense to switch schemes on a whim without skipping a beat. The possibilities are endless with his versatility. Confuse the hell outta an offense. One week they are playing 3-4 the next 4-3 depending on the opponent. Its a D-Coord’s dream – well its my dream defense.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
My passion bucket is full…..
Hows ’bout the rest of you swashbucklers?!?!?!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
RJ – don’t undervalue Michael Bennett. He has been and is a game breaker when used right. Had he not had the injury history that he has, he’d be considered one of the memorable RBs of the last 8 years or so. If I recall, he lead the league in average yards per carry in his first few seasons with the Vikes and had at least one year with over 1000 yards.
But mainly he was just really, really fast and was a homerun threat every time he touched the ball. But he did this at the same playing weigh as DMac but in a much more compact form, which theoretically allows him to run between tackles more often.
Going back to DMac, look at these Razorback highlights: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6_8OLufobMc
Here you’ll not just the great Arkansas blocking but the RB running hard between the tackles, moving the pile, maing some nice cuts, breaking tackles.
That RB is Felix Jones, who was more effective per touch than DMac on that same team with their stellar blocking. But I saw more raw ability there than with DMac. Enough so to say that Jones will ultimately be the better NFL RB. Remember that I said this three years from now!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
RJV78,
Laranaitististisitsytitlytis, is not in this draft, he is going back to school…
What an idiot in my opinion, but that is his choice. Ask Paul Pozszlauzskinnyly from Penn State about how going back for your Senior year works out.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
I think Ellis is a great player who will be a stud in a 3-4 or a 4-3.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Florida Pete
Crown Royal was a college player and he looks like a 55 gallon drum.
The story is every where he goes people lift up their glass and say “cheers”.
His parents are Dad, Bud and Mom Margarita.
Brothers are Rum Rum 151 and Foster.
Born and raised in Tecate, Mexico.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
RJV, how’s about Miami now HAS to take Matt Ryan, after getting rid of Trent Green, the Rams take Jake Long, after they proved to themselves that as soon as Orlando Pace went down, so did their season, that leaves Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, Chris Long AND Darren McFadden on the board. Who do you chose then???
February 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Oakglenn: I’m curious about Joe Montana being outbid by Kansas City. From what I’ve read SF traded him to KC, but before being traded he had agreed to a contract with KC.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
ROFL!!!!!! good one north dakota!!!!! I wasn’t sure how to spell that but monkey’s name!! But if he’s going back to college then he is a doofis. I just hope we sighn Nhamenandhi Ashyaiyamagywa to a long term and dont have to franchise him!!!!
Love this blog.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Raiderdell….
you’re joking.. right???
February 11th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
RJ,
I’ve stated before that if the scenario rolled out that way and we were at #4 with the other 3 gone I would gladly take him and get my McJersey and McHat and shut my McMouth. I’m hoping Lane has something already set up for that scenario though….
February 11th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Dakota is this the same guy you applauded when he was a Laker.
I guess those 3 championships are just a fluke.
Oh let me add, have the lakers won a championship since Shaq left.
I believe he has with Miami, has Kobe without Shaq.
Should Kupchak be fired, it’s been four years no championship, maybe they need a new GM.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Besides that Ellis played in a 4-3 at the Senior Bowl and tore things up
February 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
OK pete,
I’ll bite. What the hell are you talking about?
February 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Florida Pete
Just havin some fun, what part I’ll let you ponder.
Drinks, anyone.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Oakglenn, Miami drafted John Beck early round 2 last year. Have they given up on him already?
February 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
LMN – ellis fits a 4-3 defense too, that is what usc ran untell last season. he can play both tackle and nose tackle. that is why he his so vaulble in any defense. i have been saying for months that the raiders should draft ellis over long or dorsey. he is just a better lineman, and with his work effort and desire to be the best, he could end up being a hall of famer. out of the top five prospects in this draft, i personally feel people will be talking about ellis 10 years from now.
i’am in, have been since 1972
February 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
me too…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
To Oakglenn: Thats a really good question and interesting scenario. That would seem to be a good problem to have.
Since I’ve been supporting beeing torn between Ellis and McFadden all day thus eliminating Dorsey(thats tougher to say then I thought) and C.Long(whom I dont like anyway) and I’ve already said I wouldnt pass on DMAC….. I’m sticking to my story.
But I never thought about that scenario and I wouldnt be mad if the Raiders picked Dorsey or Eliis. At Least if DMAC falls to the Chiefs we can counter it with Ellis or Dorsey.
Good Question.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
does Hart High still play Lompoc every year???
February 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
because they wanted to see how he would do in a 4-3, it was clear he was best in the 3-4, he played that too in the senior bowl
February 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Dell, come on man, that was 6 years ago! Shaq was once great, now he is a journeyman center. He is going into the HOF as a Laker, and I love him for what he did with the Lakers, but sometimes you need to see reality. Shaq is done. He is collecting a pay check, just like Dek, Hakeem and Ewing did at the ends of their careers.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Gentleman
I say that very loosely, for some.
This blog is good, but it’s the bloggers that make it fun and interesting.
I guess it could be worse, we could be NE fans and just watched the history of sorts wiped out in one play to a little know WR, drafted in the 5 or 6 round.
they went from the greatest team to ?
Football is great, now pass the torch this way again.
I’m off to the great exercise king, later.
Oh dakota just playin with ya.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Being a Lakers fan, when Shaq was traded to Miami he automatically went onto a team where he had another Kobe in Wade and better roster talent around him.
Kupchack made one of the biggest steals of all time in aquiring Gasol. Just watch Phoenix not make it to the finals this year and then a year older Shaq breaks down for good next year. Look at the stats of the greatest C’s of all time and you’ll see they start declining big time at age 34 and Shaq will be 36 next month.
I personally don’t think Bynum will be back this year and we’ll make the playoffs. Next season with a healthy Bynum, Kobe, Gasol, & Odom we’ll be set for several years.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
i hear Wilt can still play….
February 11th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Lompoc…
believe me I said Ellis over Dorsey for long time too. I just love Trevor Laws in the 2nd. I said that too before the SeniorBowl. But 2 DT in the same draft so close?! that not gonna happen.
If we take Long, (yeaheyaeaeyah I know many of you think he is overrated) and Laws we instantly have a entire new D-line.
If we take Ellis then what, see post 1471. we still need a lot of help, he isn’t the entire answer…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Dakota, Parcells didn’t draft him, if you know what I mean.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
DSM, this is true. That the Raiders had worked a deal for him. As I said, he was shocked. I think he always thought he was going to retire a whiner. He came in and said, “I’m going to the Raiders.” Everyone was like, what??? “I’m going to the Raiders.” Like you said, it turns out he went to KC instead. That was what I said yesteday, KC out bid the then LA Raiders, but a deal was in place for him to go to LA. Small piece of history.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Pete- no lompoc does not play hart. the just moved lompoc into d-3, now they win only about 5 games a year.
LMN- USC ran the 4-3 defense intell last season. ellis spent his first 3 seasons(redshirt,freshman,sophmore) in the 4-3. plus during those years he never wieghed more than 280, now he is a perfect nfl tackle wieght at 305. that what you want in a tackle. at nose he would have to get bigger, which would slow his feet down.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
What if we skip drafting a DT altogether and fill the need via FA?
February 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Ellis couldn’t play in a 3-4 at the Senior Bowl. Its against the rules. But speaking of the Senior Bowl, I’ve posted here before that Kiffin and Ryan were evaluating Ellis BIG TIME there. I say this b/c it was very interesting to me to see them constantly switch Ellis between DT spots. They also made sure to put him in the game for certain situations (i.e. end of the game when the Defense must make a stand – Ellis got a sack …. and in the game when the Offense is backed up near the goalline – Ellis got a sack for a safety). The guy showed them he is THE guy and I wouldn’t be surprised when/if his name is called.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Its been fun smacking you guys around today. Hearing everyones opinion’s today really opened my mind to the fact that I am smarter then most people and better looking as well. I hope all ya’ll watch ESPN news all night and study the internet for tomorrows topic. We can all assume Jerry Mac is at home eating Cheerios in his underwear like a slob on the couch watching Bull Durham and drinking a bud light. I think the fans have taken over this sight. (did we reach 1500?) Now excuse me while I go Shoot my girlfriend full of HGH so she can look good in her bikini for Valentines day.
I’m In! (This blog for 7 hours straight….geeeeze)
February 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Corey Williams!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Wesley Britt!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
DSMraider…
Fine with me, finding one in FA…But I just got the hots for Trevor Laws, he is a fighter, a real MF
February 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I’m curious to see who else gets cut. Keith “Tractor” Traylor could be signed for depth. Plus the way our division works, we’ll get a former Bronco or Chief this offseason as will the other teams.
I like Corey Williams. Another high risk/reward possibility is Shaun Rodgers who’ll get dropped by Detroit before the season starts.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
If we don’t resign Kelly we’ll be doing both
February 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Trevor “i am the” Laws…
yeah,,, we can do that…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
NOOOOOoooooooo Traylor sux biiigtime. he is old and can’t learn our line anything. he is not the mentoring kunda type
February 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
SaintKaufmann…
Clemmons would i love to see return too
February 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Shaq can play DT.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
so can Wilt
February 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I would love to see our D needs filled via FA and then we could draft DMac & Hawkins with our first two picks.
Hawkins is better than DeSean Jackson and Kiffin has worked with him. He’s another Steve Smith and runs a 4.47 fourty compared to Jackson’s 4.3. However for route running ability & hands, Hawkins is better.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
no good tackles in FA. all the good ones will be franchised. besides the raiders need to quit with the retreads on the d-line, its time to draft a tackle, i’am not opposeed to trading our pick for more picks, and than taking d-tackle in the late first or early second round, but my choice is still ellis if he is availble.
peace out nation.i’am out for the night
February 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
check out Corey Williams…
http://www.packers.com/team/players/williams_corey/
February 11th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
same here
February 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I’ve been saying Corey Williams for weeks too.
If we could sign Williams and a couple of retreads for depth, I’ll be very happy. Obviously Kelly HAS to be resigned.
There’s no way we’re trading down. I would love to trade down with Dallas for their two #1’s and a player, but it’s not going to happen.
If we don’t land Corey Williams, then Dorsey is a must.
As for Ellis and the rest of “Kiffin’s recruits” who’ll be drafted this year and the next 3 drafts, I’m curious if they’ll be better than past USC players in the NFL?
February 11th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
But DMC has extra value on how bad Dallas owner Jerry Jones wants him. He said he was willing to give up his first round picks and Marion Barber
Just imagine and drool over the scenario!!!!
February 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
what do u think
February 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Ive been yammering about Wesley Britt for the O line…
Today the Panthers released Mike Wahle…
that would be a very good pickup,,, also he lives in Arrowhead…
February 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Jerry Jobes is not giving up 2 1st rounders, Marion Barber and about 20 million dollars for DMC…
trust me…
February 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
I highly doubt it would happen, but you can’t say never, especially once the combine is over and the hype machine is in full swing.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Mayock said today that McFadden could go as late as #20
February 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
If brayton is picked do we get any compensation or does unrestricted just mean he leaves?
February 11th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
he’s gone…
it was awful nice of him to buy the thing out…
February 11th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Jerry jones has said Marion Barber is to stay in Dallas, I don’t believe they would let him go. I don’t believe Jerry Jones is so in love with McFadden as people say…
February 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I’m not saying it either, besides after being on the good end of the Herschel Walker trade he’s not going to give up two first rounders and a proven RB for DMac.
However, if DMac goes off of the charts at the combine like CJ did last year, a big trade could happen.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Mr Raider our compensation for Tyler Brayton is 2 paper clips, 1 rotten bananna, and tylenol
February 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Jerry Jones has already been in contact with all 5 top teams trying to bank a trade for DMC
and it was said that he was willing to give up his 1rds and Mbarber
don’t forget that he is an Arkansas Alumnist
i think that it is some more rumor mongoring
but i can still dream can’t lol
February 11th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
2 paper clips, 1 stank banana, and a bottle of tylenol for Tyler Brayton????????? we’ll take it.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Oak we finally agree on something. When you finally realize Ryan is a joke that will be the second thing..
February 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Warriors were down 23 to Washington, came back and broke their hearts into a 1000 pieces.
Don Nelson is the bay areas #1 coach.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Well Mista, with regards to Ryan I look at it as a no lose situation. if Ryan does well, hey, he does well. if he doesn’t, he’s out of contract and we have some time to find a replacement without having to buy him out.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Warrior game was a pretty good game. where’s Dakota and his lame flakers now??
February 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Oak, the problem is RR could cost LK a playoff spot and maybe his job.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
LK will not survive another 4-12 or maybe even a 7-9 season and no playoffs.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Mista I don’t agree with that, necessarily. Interesting point tho. For Kiff to survive RR effing up, I think we are gonna have to see some improvement in the offense. And I think we will. The offense was terrible early in the season, and gradually progressed. The operative word being gradually. But when you have new QB’s, new blocking schemes, new offensive coordinator, new head coach, things take time to jell. I expect improvement in the O and the D, next season. I’m sure we all do. If we don’t, everyone is gone.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
If the Raiders went 7-9 or 8-8 I think Kiffin would be fine as long as it wasn’t a bad situation where it was obvious that they should’ve won more. Like last year. So Russell must show that he’s being handled right and the team has to show improve in the right areas and Kiffin would survive. But if there is discord in the locker room and a lack control and leadership, he wont survive he must get his star players behind him and get them to lead the rest of the team.
Kiffin has a chance to be great but he can’t ,make glaring mistakes and try to cast blame elsewhere. He’s the coach and if he can get them to buy into him he’ll be fine. Simple as that.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
I am officially worried about Jerry.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
If he misuses Russell I want him gone. I want to see Russell allowed to play his game and not be kept under wraps dinking and dunking. I want to see smart gameplans and him attacking the defenses not just trying not to turn the ball over. They have to use JLH better as well as JP and RC the TE too. We have weapons and I want to see them used. Not some pedestrian offense that’s scared to make a mistake, mistakes will happen but you have to attack the other team. Michael Bush will provide a devastating running game the passing game has to strike fear, to open up the running game. this can be a very good offense but you have to get after people.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
BlackholePriest wrote:
“Kiffin has a chance to be great but he can’t ,make glaring mistakes and try to cast blame elsewhere. He’s the coach and if he can get them to buy into him he’ll be fine. Simple as that.”
…………
The blame will go the person who has the most control of the team. Simple as that.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
And, of course Kiffin is going to misuse Russell. He’s not going to use him at all if he can help it. He didn’t pick Russell. Al Davis did. Kiffin is going to coach here one more year. He’s going to run his offense, with the quarterback he feels is best to run his offense (won’t be Russell). Then, Kiffin will be fired and James Lofton will certainly give you guys what you want. He’ll drop Russell back 7 steps 3 out of every 4 downs and Russell will receive a career ending blow within a half a year. Believe me, the greatness of the Raiders is in it’s PAST, thanks to Al Davis.
February 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
The village idiot is back.
Good night all, BTW why are you worried about Jerry he’s just taking time off like anyone else would. There’s nothing to report.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEdrDit11EY
I thought some would enjoy some memories. This is the only way I can view them with you.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Actually, I’m back to the village full of idiots.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Kiffin is hosed. Russell is raw. Once Russell got in the game, he showed he wasn’t ready to play. So next year he’ll be a rookie++ and the Raider will win a hand full of games. Kiffin will be used as the scape goat and the next coach will get all the accolades of Russell finally becoming a pro the following year and the Raiders will be in the playoffs, but never quite good enough to win it all, when all along it was Kiffin that did things right.
I hope I’m wrong and Kiffin will be allowed to grow as Russell grows. If they are allowed to mature together, I see nothing stopping the Raiders becoming the next dynasty.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Remember, I’m not the one suggesting Kiffin should get the blame for what goes bad here, and in the same breath insisting that he should not have primary control of football operations. BHP, your logic and the statements inspired by it are the makings of an idiot.
We can run a poll on any independent site and ask who would be the bigger idiot:
A Raider fan who believes Al needs to retire,
or a Raider fan that still think’s Al is a good GM.
Wanna bet 90% would vote you as the idiot?
February 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-eEF8zplJY8
The picture quality is terrible but I thought you guys would get a kick out of this. Alot of great Raiders.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I think Jerry is taking advantage of the 1k plus blogs to not bring in new materail!! LOL
February 11th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Its all the same rhetoric.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Thanks Huff, you young guy’s really have no idea how great Jim Plunkett was as a collegiate. He was extra special, a phenom. I still think he was the best QB I’ve ever seen. If he had been drafted by the Raiders we would have won 6 SB’s I really believe that. You know I remember talking to Joe Montana and he said the his idol was Jim Plunkett he just admired the way Jim would compete on each and every play.
I remember when he took the Stanford Indians as they were called back then to the Rose Bowl and beat one of the most dominating teams you’ll ever see in the Ohio St. Buckeyes, with Jack Tatum at safety.
That was incredible!!
Well I’m worn out c ya’
February 11th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PWjB00kDnfw
February 11th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Marley, sure, I pleaded the 5th to your question, just like you gave up trying to refute my point regarding Gruden getting us the players we needed to get to the Super Bowl. I mean, let’s face it, that’s why you asked me the question.
If the Kiffin resignation reports are true, then I would say YES, I would trade our CURRENT SITUATION AND STATUS for Tampa’s CURRENT SITUATION AND STATUS. Abso-freakin’-lutely, in a heartbeat.
If all is on the up and up, however, and Kiffin really actually wants Rob Ryan, and every report that came out in Jan was false, then I would take our situation over Tampa’s.
The bottom line is, as you guys always say, we’ll “never know” what’s going on in Alameda.
With Rob Ryan still being here, it doesn’t look good. My guess is Kiffin will be gone. In that instance, I’d trade our fate for Tampa’s a thousand times over. And, any fan of this team that prioritizes winning over loyalty to “Big Al” would, too.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
# Huff24 Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Its all the same rhetoric.
…………
Tell me about it. I’ve got a Raiders game program right in front of me…
February 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Hey BHP, I thought you were going to bed?
Since you’re up, answer me this question:
If Kiffin hasn’t yet earned the right to get primary control of football operations, then how could he take the majority of the blame for things that go wrong?
February 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Like Bill Parcels Says “they want me to cook the meal, but won’t let me pick the ingredients. Or cook the mal the way i know how”!!!
That is our situation in a nut shell!!!
The Head Coach always get the blame. Did Marty get the blame for the Charger melt down in the Playoffs.
Did Cam get the blame for 1-15 with the Dolphins when Parcels gave up half the team today for a reason.
Did Brian Billick get the blame for his dominate d giving up after the Patriot’s Loss.
The Answer: YES HE DID
that is the name of the game. Start with the head and work your way down.
February 12th, 2008 at 1:35 am
Sure, the coach gets the blame by the team. But do the fans have to loyally follow the mantra? Most NFL fans don’t. They know the difference between their owner merely making a mistake, and their owner absolutely getting in the way of winning. And in the case of the Oakland Raiders, most fans are of the latter school of thought.
Read any of those polls that were ran the week that Kiffin/resignation letter story broke. I think the one here at the Tribune had 90% of Raider fans telling Al to hang it up, or maybe it was CC Times. Either way, it’s pretty clear:
Al wants us to believe he’s just making mistakes picking the right guys, but the fans aren’t buying. Most fans know Al Davis himself is the mistake.
Marty got the ax in SD. But Spanos lets the GM run the show, there, and their record with that GM is not bad.
Cam got the ax. But did Huzienga step in and put his own “Rob Ryan” in charge? No. He hired Bill Parcells as general manager!
Art Modell is no x’s and o’s meddler. Billick had his run, and now it’s time for a new direction.
The latter two have made serious changes regarding organizational control, and SD still made the playoffs. Had they tanked as it looked they were going to do early in the season, maybe you’d have a case for Spanos being as bad as Davis anymore. But then again, Spanos would have to decide to keep that GM after the tanked season to complete the comparison.
Miami and Baltimore’s owners are taking the keys from someone and giving them to someone else.
Al Davis is holding the keys. He’s never given them up (why Gruden wanted out, probably why Madden quit on such short notice), and he never will give them up (which is why Kiffin’s leaving after this year).
If this method of ownership won games, it would be one thing. But when you result in the record we have over the course of the last 5 years, it’s a clear indictment of the person who’s had the most control of this team, and that’s Al Davis.
You can’t compare other failing owners to Al to justify Al’s decision. After all, Al Davis has done worse than they have. They are better than Al. At least, that’s what the results show.
February 12th, 2008 at 1:54 am
if i promise to remember every single minute of every single day that you, maddenraider, hate Al Davis… will you shut up???
February 12th, 2008 at 3:20 am
I think MaddenRaider has a point.
February 12th, 2008 at 3:30 am
CAN ANY OF ryan groupies please tell me the differnces between the terms STRONG SIDE & WEAK SIDE ON defense!
i wanna what side of tha ball it would mean! and if there is a difference personell wise!
February 12th, 2008 at 3:59 am
How bout signing WR Marty Booker, OT L.J. Shelton, A veteran WR with something to prove and Shelton can play both tackle spots, Cable could work his magic with him.!
P.S. Godfather : Draft Jami Silva !!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12th, 2008 at 4:57 am
SoulPatrol2…
usually the strong side means the side where the TE lines up.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:17 am
i’m starting the day off right…
subliminal suggestions to Raider HQ…
Corey Williams…
Wesley Britt…
Mike Wahle…
February 12th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Madden,
Kiffin already named JR the starter next year!
# MaddenRaider Says:
February 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
And, of course Kiffin is going to misuse Russell. He’s not going to use him at all if he can help it. He didn’t pick Russell. Al Davis did. Kiffin is going to coach here one more year. He’s going to run his offense, with the quarterback he feels is best to run his offense (won’t be Russell).
February 12th, 2008 at 7:40 am
The definition of a douche bag:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56501141.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939847EC77F5F8D1CEC55F3CB40B209364A40A659CEC4C8CB6
February 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
I thought definition of douche bag was MaddenRaider.
February 12th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Methinks all this rhetoric Al is allegedly spewing about moving up to take McFadden is the beginnings of the “smokescreen” campaign.
Right now (before the combine, franchise/exclusive rights/tendered FA’s and the free agent period) I believe the new ‘Fin regime will lean towards Matt Ryan. Somewhat reminds me of Phil Simms, whom played for. . .
Lambs pick Chris Long. They have to pick what side of the line of scrimmage will require the quickest facelift to compete against the Seahawks and an up and coming Cardinal offense; Chris Long, paired with Adam Carriker will gove the rest of the NFC West something special to prepare for.
Let’s just say, for the sake of argument (something rare on this particular blog) that Atlanta wins the dreaded “coinflip (kinda like a Florida election return)” and gains rights to the “coveted” #3 draft position; and the winner is, a trade down with Dallas for the rights to Darren McFadden. In teturn, tell them what they won, Don Pardo. . . both Dallas #1’s (one will go for Brian Brohm, QB from Louisville. If not, Joe Flacco, QB from Delaware. A little different game from that renowned Philly Cab Driver, Rich Gannon. The other, TBD @ a later date), and the draft rights to Marion Barber III. He will be a perfect contrast to Jerious Norwood @ RB. Possibly they will coax Dallas’ third round pick as well.
That leaves our beloved Raiders with quite the quandry. At this prospective time this would allow Allen Davis the opportunity to pick between Glenn Dorsey, Sederick Ellis and the fast rising Ryan Clady, LOT from Boise State to plug one of the Raiders two most gaping holes; an all around DT whom would upgrade the run defense and a fine OT to protect the Raiders most important property, JRuss. Now, this being a draft berift of many top DT’s (I, too, appreciate the performance of one Trevor Laws, DT from Notre Dame, However, his game is best served as the “3″ technique, or “under” tackle in the 4-3. This position, as I have long maintained and substanciated by none other than Warren Sapp should become the long term home of Tommie Kelly). All four top graded DT’s will be gone by the time the Raiders pick in the second round. Therefore, combined with the relatively deep OT pool it would behoeve the Raiders to choose between Dorsey and Ellis. I really like both but am siding with Dorsey. Or Ellis. Yeah. Ellis. Or Dorsey. Well, check back following the combine.
I keep hearing all this interest in Corey Williams, DT from GB. Well, due to the fact the “cream of the free agemt crop” will @ least garner franchise tags, he will be the “flavor of the week.” Expect Detroit to make a major push 9among others) for him. He would be great, but many times a prospective free agent, given a choice between two equal offers will opt to remain in his own division.
That’s why I like Antuwon Odom of Tennessee. He is just coming into his own. Combined with whomever is the first round DT (Ellis? Dorsey?), a rehabbed Kelly, a revitalized Burgess, jay Richardson and, hopefully a refocused Terdell Sands the Raiders will be able to keep ‘em fresh, a la the World Champion New York Giants.
End of random scattered thoughts for the day
antispy3
That brings us
February 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Great post Antispy3. Good content and entertaining writing style to boot. Post more please
Now onto my thoughts on recent rantings above:
Let’s say in ‘08 that we see a continually improving offense with JRuss becoming more effective over time paired with a defense that leaks like a sieve and some blown leads adding up to a losing record. If that scenario goes down, then I don’t see Al blaming Kiffin for this and costing him his job. I see Kiff able to play the “I told ya so” card and then getting to pick his D-coord. Really — I do see Al giving in on this one.
All that said, the real place to measure success is going to be in the growing maturity of the offensive line under Cable and how that impacts the overall offensive prowress under Knapp. Kiff will still get the credit for most. Unless the WRs explode and then Lofton will be given the ticket tape parade and possibly Kiff’s job, but that’s a different discussion.
On the Cowboys drumming up trade interest at the top for DMac I think that there’s something else behind that. His stock is falling enough so that at this rate, they may be able to land him by popping up into the top 15 territory for a lot cheaper. That could be done perhaps with only one of their firsts and MBIII. I just haven’t figured out an ulterior motive scenario for escalating the value of the top picks yet, unless Jones is in cahoots with Al for trying to create more value — these two do seem to like to work together, so I wouldn’t put it past them.
On Dorsey vs Ellis vs C Long, I just don’t see it as a problem that we are going to have. Value wise, 2 of 3 are somehow going to be taken in the top 3 — and you just KNOW that the Raiders will lose the toss and pick #4 — so it’s going to be a simple matter of best player available. Where it might get interesting is if in the combine say tha Ellis loses some of his Sr. Bowl luster and slides back down to the 6-10 range and/or a few other players move themselves past him. Perhaps Big Al can swing a deal for someone that really, really wants to move up to land some like J Long or M Ryan and can parlay that into both Ellis in the low top 10 and an extra #2. To me this is the best scenario to hope for.
All that said, the end of April is a long ways away. There are going to be so many changes between then and now in terms of cuts, FA signings, trades, the combine. This conversation is going to look radically different a few days before draft.
February 13th, 2008 at 8:41 am
1578 must be a new record.
Jerry,
I know nothing is really going on right now but,
Throw us a bone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 13th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I might as well lend my two cents…Loved the Plunkett video, Stabler was my favorite until Plunkett arrived on scene. Especially since Plunkett was damaged goods when he arrived. One of my favorite plays of Plunkett was when he threw the touchdown pass to Kenny King as he streaked down the left sideline against the Eagles in S-15.
McFadden would be a very bad pick for the Raiders in the 1st round…we already set at RB with Bush, Rhodes and Echamandu aboard. He is not a need and is not even the best NFL type RB. Mendenhall would be a far better RB. Besides if we do not address the holes on the lines first, all the great RBs in history would not get us to the playoffs.
BHP…Mendenhall is clearly a better NFL type RB than McFadden and even edges out Stewart. If you have not already done so, check out Mayock’s evaluation and video of the these three RBs on the NFL.com site.
Maddenraider…I feel your pain but you need to join the AD is still the GM counseling group. We sit around and each member cites one of the good things that AD has done for the Raiders in the past and then chugs his/her beer. Its kind of like tailgating for the off season.
February 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
New Flash !!!
Ron Woodson actually commented on the possibility of Assante Samuels coming to Oaktown !!!
the downside is he doesnt think Samuels can keep up for a whole game in man to man !!!
What does that say about N Asomugha….obviously Raiders Fans must think as do I that our guy is clearly better….but why not have both ??? We certainly have the cap space…
February 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Just imagine…
two lock down CBs in Samuels and Asomugha and FS Huff with Kenny Philips SS in the draft !!!
I would up my season tickets to four seats instead of the 2 I am considering letting go…
due to all the rumors and chatter about yet another coaching change…now rumnors are flyin gabout March being ideal to let Kiffin go…what the F@%$ !!!
Is there going to be any real news on this situation…is this a non story???
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