Tampering _ yawn
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 at 5:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The 49ers apparently stand accused of tampering with prospective free agents Lance Briggs and Justin Smith and the agent for cornerback Asante Samuel is talking openly of the interest in his client _ which of course can only be gauged by illegal contact with prospective employers.
No word on the Raiders, but if they’re not getting a head start, they’re behind the curve.
In the NFL, if you’re not tampering, you’re not trying.
Getting tampering out of the league will happen roughly around the time the NFL eliminates gambling among fans outside of Nevada.
It is virtually impossible to enforce, buried under an avalanche of nods, winks and coded communications.
The NFL scouting combine may as well be a tampering convention. Agents hold a meeting there every year, so most of them attend. Each team sends front office personnel.
They exchange messages on their Blackberrys and cell phones, setting up meetings in restaurants, hotel lobbies and hallways of the Indiana Convention Center, legitimately discussing the re-signing of players who are scheduled to become free agents this Friday.
It doesn’t stop there. How could it?
You’re there, you’re just talking, conjuring up “hypothetical” scenarios of what it would take to get Free Agent A to sign with Team B when the phones start ringing at 12:01 a.m.
Ever seen an NFL contract? I’ve gotten a look at a few, and there is no way free agency opens one minute and several hours later a star player signs on the dotted line.
The player signs because the contract has been talked about in advance _ with more than one team. The agent advises him to sign because he has already gauged the market.
It is a workshop for coaches as well. Being an assistant coach in the NFL means always looking out for your next gig. Given their tenuous existence, it’s the common sense move. John Czarnecki of Foxsports.com, besides advancing the popular theory that James Lofton could soon be the head coach of the Raiders, also noted, “It’s also no secret that current Oakland assistants Greg Knapp and Tom Rathman will be on Jim Mora’s 2009 Seattle coaching staff.”
Czarnecki neglected to mention the third man in that rumor _ offensive line coach Tom Cable.
It’s not a reach, by any means. Knapp and Cable were assistants with Jim Mora on Atlanta’s coaching staff, and Mora is in place to succeed Mike Holmgren as coach of the Seahawks next year. Rathman worked with Mora in San Francisco.
All three assistants have two-year contracts with Oakland and are in Lane Kiffin’s dwindling inner circle, with very real concerns about their future considering the embattled nature of the man who talked them in to coming to Oakland.
Coaches are forever assembling coaching staffs in their minds for the day they get a head coaching job. It isn’t difficult to envision Mora telling all three of these men after being deposed in Atlanta, “Next time I get a head coaching job, expect a call.”
Then sending smoke signals when it actually happens.
And that’s the thing about tampering. There may be smoke, but never enough of a fire to prove it ever happened.
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February 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
uno
February 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Trade down with the Jets for thier 1st + their 3RD pick Theis only works if DMAC is there at 4. Take VG,or Clady. Rd 2 Bryant or another run stuffer. 3rd Cables choice. 4th Chris Johnson,Felix Jones or another RB in case Bush cant go.
February 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I know, It’s really lame – but I had to do it
February 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
First?
February 26th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Dang..tampering…who cares and what does it matter.
February 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
first?
February 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
RE post written befor new blog
February 26th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Kk Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
HC Jim Mora Defensive minded,Kiffin OC, Cable O-line, & Rathman.( Kiffins choices for offensive coaches) all available in 2009. Kiffins a lame duck coach and no FA’s this year unless its only for the money: see Sands
February 26th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
More negativity!
February 26th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
And the coaching carosel continues. No stability no team. 3 more losing seasons
February 26th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
tha
February 26th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
thats the raider way, instabitlity, uncertainty, and insecurity. last time i looked the Knapp, Mora connection didn’t exactly light up the scoreboard.
If anything pay Tom Cable whatever he wants!
February 26th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I dont even have a wisecrack. Jerry you have rendered me speechless.
Keep up the bad work.
Oh Jerry,
Pam Anderson or Beyonce ?
February 26th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Soul whats positive about the Raiders right now except the fans. Not dissing you just wondering what you have to say
February 26th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Well first of all, it’s all heresay until someone speaks to the media “on the record”. Other than that it’s all opinion!
“In my OPINION”
February 26th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
These updates are just causing more and more dramatics. They do however, keep this blog buzzing.
Hint Hint
February 26th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Nice work Jerry!!! SHOUT UP WITH THE NEGITIVITY!!!!
February 26th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Jim Mora Jr. took the Falcons all the way to… oh that’s right, nowhere. Now that he’s in his beloved Seattle he can take the Seapigeons to…
Guess all the coaches want to jump on that bandwagon.
Let’s see, according to popular wisdom the Raiders now have about 18 lame duck coaches, no FA’s want to come to Oaktown, the HC doesn’t wear the proper apparel, the DC had a haircut thereby depriving him of unfound Samson-like powers, draftees are begging their agents to hold out against the Silver and Black. Anything else? Ah yes, the gracious and uplifting commentaries of the media hold forth that the degradation and downward plunge of the Raider organization is to be celebrated.
Sorry, this shit just cracks me up. I’ve been through much worse than this in the life. Next…
February 26th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
That smoke but no fire line could be said of the rumors of Kiffin firing.
Not that there isn’t plenty of smoke. But one of the things we have yet to hear is whether and which players have weighed in with Al Davis in favor of Kiffin staying. Can’t tell the answer is zero, counting guys whose opinions Davis may have solicited.
Don’t y’all remember the story about the D personnel were credited with saving Ryan not so long ago?
Peace
February 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
OK I was thing more about the Team/Organization not the lame reporters. Unproven QB I hope he turns out to be a stud. Rb aver, WR poor, TE promising, O-line improving, Dl poor, LB above average, DB 1 good CB and 1 Safety, ST no returner, Jano aver, Lecler great, coaching staff very suspect, Kiffin still green, RR not promissing based on recent history, Al his time is over sorry to say. Put it all together pretty negative. there is hope atleast
February 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
It would seem then that the NFL treats its rules with a wink and a nod…
February 26th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Thinking
February 26th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Wow what a Monopoly board game this afternoon, pass “GO” collect another abusive jab.
Man I’m glad for a busy afternoon, where was all the combine talk.
Com’on guys after FA settles down there is nothing to talk about, it will be slow as ?
I’m off to Iraq for a better stable blog.
Later
February 26th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Overall the tam has improved. The players have commented on how Kiffin has changed the teams attitude. He brings enthusiasm and energy. We lost alot of close games this season, but we still showed improvement.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I’ll agree that this team needs alot of areas adrresed this off-season. Coaching staff is not one!
February 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I’m (Kiff) In
February 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I hope it continues because i cant see myself as a fan of another team
February 26th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
All this kills me…….I just want to win!
February 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Hey but nothing about that tho eh? Just more conjecture and rumormongering.
good job
February 26th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Has anyone read that piece that Jason Jones did on sacbee (hangin with Mr. Copper)? Jarrod clearly explains that anybody not on the Kiff bandwagon is in the minority.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I have never seen such speculation that goes so far to have assistant coaches in a new job a year in advance.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
They want us to stop supporting the team and blame Mr. Davis for everything including global warming.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Chef I read it. Unfortunately you cant take Cooper for his word he may just be playing good soldier or maybe he likes Kiffin and wants to support him who knows.
This stuff isnt going to die until
A- Kiffin gets fired.
or
B- Mini Camps start & Kiffin is there.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Pro Football talk has been on this tampering kick lately too…Jerry must be reading it as much as me, he’s starting to sound like them a bit.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Mista,
True, He is a free agent,I’m not lookin that far out the box in hopes of something positive out of this mess. Good point!
February 26th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Wish Al could move the team from Oakland. Apparently you Bay Area people don’t respect or want him or the Raiders. He can’t get any decent press and the team is fodder for hate and unsubstantiated rumors.
Even when Dallas was struggling and Quincy Carter was the starting QB, Jones and the team never took a beating in the press the way Al and the Raiders do in Oakland.
No wonder he left there when he did. I am sure he regrets coming back just as much as he regrets giving Shell another shot. Both decisions were clearly bad for business.
Al was the first to hire a black HC. Ever get any positive press for that? Al has helped advance the NFL and the game of football. Ever get any positive press for that?
I don’t agree with everything he does either, but the speculation and rumor reporting has to stop.
Where there is smoke, you will find the press there fanning it hoping to start a fire.
I think the Bay Area press are a bunch of brats with a bad attitude who like nothing more than smearing Davis and the Raiders.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Gil Brandt from NFL.com and NFL radio who is a long time friend of Al Davis said today on air that Lane has a 50-50 chance of returning this year. He noted that Kiffin was not wearing Raider gear at the combine as being a bad sign; however, he admitted that Tom Coughlin and John Fox were not wearing team gear either.
Brandt went on to mention that Kiffin has a “strange” contract that states if he is let go after March 15, then the Raiders will substantially reduce the amount of money that they will owe to Kiffin.
Out of everything that I have heard about the Al vs. Kiffin saga, that latest bit about the March 15th contract date is the most disturbing because it kind of explains why this has dragged on, and Kiffen wasn’t axed in January.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
This is why I stopped writing regularly on here after the season ended. Between now and draft day there is nothing to talk about so we get SPECULATION non-stop.
Someone posted, “I just want to win.” Can’t happen – they aren’t playing. We are five months from preseason even warming up.
I feel for Jerry. There is really nothing to write about. Kiffin went dancing? So… A) Danced like a man secure in his job or…B) Danced like a man who has no cares because he’s a lame duck? It all adds up to – we don’t know anything.
Jerry maybe you could profile each of the top 5 prospects and use your contacts to see if they are fits for our systems? Just an idea.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Al Davis is a fool. The credebility of this team is in the toilet. Who will be the one from the NFL front office to eradicate this menace? Al needs to go.
I know for a fact that if I personally were given the reigns for 3 years. The Oakland Raiders would be in the playoffs with free agents begging to be on the roster.
Get out Al, your day is long gone.
February 26th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
How covieniently this sour stuff comes out before the Senior Bowl that our coaches are coaching and this sour stuff comes out during the N.F.L.combine when its one of the most important times of any organization especially our Raiders about coach Kiffin.If he’s fired or let go by Al Davis then our up coming season will be a WASHOUT.We deserve better than this time after time BULLSH%T.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
I see even more signs of tampering now. I think that CorpRaiderNYC was given an early warning on this entry. How else could he have earned the illustrious first post wit such casual aplomb as to speak it in espanol?
Jerry, this is the type of behavior that will have the blogging police levying hefty fines upon you and taking away your draft picks.
February 26th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3266178
Save us some Faulk, lol
February 26th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Lofton is the next coach. Kiffen talked to Jerry
“off the record about all in raiderland?”
WOW-that is the final nail in kiff’s coffin. Can’t imagine what he said. Something like, “I am so outta here”
This is truly a joke. The raiders bring this on themselves. Hopefully he gets fired soon, so Lofton can start the draft prep.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Do you honestly think Seattle will switch their offensive staff once Mora becomes head coach?
First off, Seattle isn’t running the zone and doesn’t have the lineman to run it therefore there will be no need for Cable and the O is already run by Gil Haskill.
Second, he’s a defense minded coach and why run Knapp, Rathman, & Cable again in an already proven offense?
Pure rumors.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Was Lofton at the combine?
Who was? Kiffin and all the assistant coaches that will be gone.
Why send coaches who won’t be around to the combine?
February 26th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I don’t understand why the nation can’t handle the truth.
If this @#$# was rumor then why let it fester and ruin FA?
Do you think Knapp and Rathman are in for the long haul? Only if we are putting up more W’s than L’s.
Hopefully we can continue the good stuff
Kiff started. I really see struggles ahead with all this happening.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
What do you want them to do?
They have denied the rumors, yet they continue. If the team said anything the press would only twist it.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
It would be good for everybody’s best interest for AD to hold a press conference and call a spade a spade. If the rumors are a load of crap he ought to just come out in no uncertain terms and say it’s all a load of crap and call out publicly the rumormongers who are perpetuating it. If the rumors are true then make whatever moves he intends on doing and be prepared to receive the wrath that will no doubt go along with decisions of that type.
The Raider Nation deserves better treatment from AD & company. It’s time for him to stand up and be counted one way or another.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I don’t want a club spokesman or other underling delivering the message. I want the top banana, Mr. AL DAVIS himself, to stand and be counted. Stand up, grab that walker firmly, and deliver the gospel according to AL. Until the leader speaks, it’s all bullshit!
AD not speaking up is an insult to all faithful Raider fans.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I am sure that Kiffin’s contract is just sitting around publicly available for everyone to read so that they know there is a strange quirk reducing the amount owed if they keep him longer. This is more make up malarky to try to stir things up.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
it is an insult to the fans that this goes on………
February 26th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
It’s too bad that AD hasn’t given Lane Kiffin the same public support he’s given to Rob Ryan. If he publicly did that most of these rumors would go away. If AD publicly outed the rumormongers, they’d go away too!
Maybe it’s time for AD to put that walker away and to get one of those power scooters. That way he’d no doubt get more done like maybe a public press conference (hint, hint, hint).
February 26th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
You know Alameda is reading this crap and having a laugh. Jerry I bet cant get within yelling distance of the inside of that building.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Regardless if Al calls a press conference or not, there will always be rumors.
If Al calls a press conference and states Kiffin is safe, there’ll be plenty of rumors out there that are saying he’s a lame duck and will be gone after the season.
If he doesn’t call a press conference, then everyone rumors that Kiffin will get fired, etc.
Personally, after hearing Kiffin truly did send out feelers for the Arkansas & Nebraska head coaching jobs, I can see how Al is pissed off at giving the KID a chance. The KID should’ve never looked anywhere until he had been here for at least 3 years as his young age limits him in head coach positions in both college & the NFL.
Al gave him the perfect opportunity to turn a team around and make a name for himself and after 1 year Kiffin is already snooping for other work.
It’s not like the KID didn’t know what he was getting into. Carrol, Sarkisian, & his pops gave him plenty of advice.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I looked it up wikipedia and sure enough, Kiffin contract terms are right there in black n white.
LOL!
February 26th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
DSM
“Personally, after hearing Kiffin truly did send out feelers for the Arkansas & Nebraska head coaching jobs,”
I guess I’m out of touch. Where did you hear this and were the sources reliable? If true, that was really dumb. And, I can understand AD being pissed. Kiffin was given a great opportunity and he should get down on bended knee and kiss the king’s ring while begging forgiveness. Then, go out and make the Raiders a winner. We all saw great improvement last year and this upcoming year is going to be that much better. As long as someone doesn’t screw things up we can be very competitive with the right players.
Time for AD & Kiffin to get into and room and work everything out. And, do not come out until there is resolution.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Raider Koolaid I wouldn’t pay attention to the contract remark had it not came from Gil Brandt. Mr. Brandt is a long time friend of Al Davis and is someone Al sees as an equal. Brandt, Bill Parcells, and Al Davis spent some 20 years sitting together in the bleachers in Indy evaluating players together, and they all know and understand each other quite well.
The Contract is not lying around for everyone to see, but I am assuming that Mr. Brandt is close enough to Al that he gets the information straight from the horses mouth. It is precisely that sort of detail that Brandt would know way before so called NFL insiders like Adam Scheftner, Jay Glazer and Chris Mortensen.
February 26th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Im telling you all the truth,…Kiffin is gone very soon,..sooner then you think…likely within a week…and yes its true that most the coaching staff will only be around another year so dont count on them being too motivated,…and check back with me in a week or so, I promise you not one single free agent worth a damn will even visit the Raiders,..so dont bother worrying about the draft,..free agency,…blah blah blah,..the Raiders will be for the next several years a 3 or 4 win team,..until new ownership happens, and that wont happen anytime soon, the Raiders will only be good for a laugh,…I am a season ticket holder,..I will continue to attend all games,..but I am into reality,..you all can choose to leave your blinders on if it helps you.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I think Kiffin is a young guy who is just squandering a solid opportunity. He believes that everyone will side with him over the Old man, but I think he over stepped when he went after every College job that came available.
On top of that he has been openly challenging al with his overall assessment of the player talent as Jerry has documented in previous blogs.
I think that Al should come down off his thrown and work it out with the kid because he is the one who hired the kid, and he is the one who will ultimately fail if Kiffin gets fired.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Kiffin doesn’t want to lose his job because he’ll have to go back into the college ranks as an assistant after being fired after only one year.
His salary is greater than he’d get at USC or another program as an assistant. I’m sure Carrol has offered him an open position at USC, but if he wants to get his college head coaching position he’ll need at least two more seasons.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Thanks once again Jerry for fueling unsupported rumors. Is this a Raiders’ blog, or a Broncos blog in disguise?
I’ve been reading for some time now, and you just never seem to be able to get that “fueling divisive rumors” bug out of your system. And ever since you refused to retract your original “Ryan is fired and Kiffin is soon too” rumor, well, I just can’t take anything you say seriously.
What happened to all that then? A month and change later, and Kiffin is still here. So is Ryan. May not be tomorrow, but they are today and yet your “source” said they were gone.
Thanks for making the lives of countless Raider fans slightly more umpleasany by being journalistically irresponsible on what is supposed to be a blog about the Raiders. Not a blog about your career as a reporter.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Your swearing and poor spelling only show your lack of intelligence…its rather funny though that an obvious idiot, like you, cant spell i-d-i-o-t. Maybe you should go back to school. Hopefully your cussing in a message board has impressed your friends. Nice try Insideher.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Alameda Insider I think the FA thing is ultimately driven by money. Al will spend; thus, he will attract some FA. You think places like Detroit or Arizona are seen as being that much better than Oakland. How many playoff appearances have those franchises produced over the past 40 years? The same owners are still over there and that is why they continue to struggle.
I look at two high profile WR that the frachises have taken in the past five years that are coming back to haunt them. Both Larry Fitzgerald and Roy Williams are at risk to be lost due to contract negotiations because of dumb management. Roy Williams wants Calvin Johnson money and Fitzgerald is owed some 15 million for the 08 campaign by the cardinals. Both cases illustrate why these two clubs are perennial losers. In Detroit’s case it is because they have drafted too many damn WR in the 1st round and in Arizona’s case they signed a player to such a dumb contract that now they have to lose players like Edgerin James, Calvin Pace, Bryant Johnson and possibly coveted FA Alan Faneca because they owe so much cash to their WR. If he does not renegotiate they are screwed either way.
My point is that the Raiders have their issues and times are hard, but don’t think that they are the only bad franchise. Hell the Browns were losing high priced FA to staph infection because their facilities were in such bad shape just last year. Winning is the ultimate deodorant and money talks in the NFL.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
All of you who are so sure Kiff is gone…
What if you are right? What does it prove? If you are Raiders fans, will gloating over your victory help the team?
I just don’t see the point.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
As I said Dick V, check back in a week, not a single free agent worth a fig will visit Alameda,…that 40 year time line you mentioned, it doesnt matter at all to these players,..what matters is that they hear from other players DO NOT GO TO OAKLAND…thats what matters…Al Davis has lost his mind and the rest of the organization is too gutless to make a stand of any kind,..Jmarcus Russell Im sure wishes he wasnt there, and likely has already told his agent do whatever it takes to get him out…those other teams you mentioned, not even close to how bad it is currently in Oakland, not even close.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Let me save you all the trouble of what a Raiders Press Conference would be like in the next few days:
Transcript of Al Davis press conference…
Random Bay Area Reporter:…”Hey Mr. Davis!”
Al: ”yes, I hear you…”
Reporter: ”Is Lane Kiffin gonna coach the team next season???.”
Al: ”Yes.”
Reporter:…”Uhmm. ok…but what about all the rumors that you would either fire him or force him to quit???.”
Al:….”Well, you wrote about them didn´t you??…why are you asking me?, you must know about them better than me, why don´t you go ask your sources or something.”
Reporter: ”Al…but why wasn´t Lane wearing Raiders gear at the combine?.”
Al:…”I let my coaches wear whatever they damm feel like wearing…..I did offer to send him 10 pairs of jumpsuits, 5 black and 5 white but he declined”
At this point, some reporter keeps bugging Davis about Kiffin´s status until Al snaps back at him-her, showing him-her off in front of everyone else.
Then the conversation wavers into the labor issues, the HOF, JaMarcus and whatnot.
– After it´s all over, you will read on the next day newspapers something like this:
”Well, Al Davis and the Raider put on their best face yesterday while denying there was ever any tension between the aging owner and the young coach, they said all the rumors were unfounded and that all was well in Raiderland.
They can say all they want and put on a happy face for the public but there is obviusly something to all the rumors and they are not just gonna go away, Al Davis is old and crazy and he will break Kiffin sooner than later and then he will reach out to someone else to take Kiffin´s place, if he can find anyone dumb enough”.
Random Bay Area writter (Not Jerry).
February 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
K-Rock,..the point is regime change,..until then things will stay as they are,..terrible.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
The raiders need to draft better period. to be honest I was not too impressed with the current coaching staffs hadnling of the last draft. The Third rd might be a big bust. I am not sure who drafted moses but that was a major bust. Henderson was inactive most of last season and Cable has publicly questioned the kid’s heart: Oakland used up this years 3rd to get him, and JL Higgins was very disappointing last year. look at the production that Green Bay got with little known James Jones from San Jose state he was a third round pick.
John Bowie in the fourth rd when Players like Marcus Thomas were still on the board. Come on that should have been a no brainer. Al sat back and let Kiffin convince him that Bowie would be a stand out special teamer and contributed more than Thomas. Thomas turned out to be the Bronco’s best rookie last year and he haunted the raiders in both contest in 07.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
So Kiff is fired. James Lofton takes over. James Lofton was coached in college at Stanford by none other than Hall of Fame Coach Bill Walsh. He was drafted by Green Bay and played his first few years coached by Packer Greats Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg who were coached by Vince Lombardi. After that he went to Super Bowls with Buffalo coached by Hall of Fame Coach Marv Levy. San Diego was coming off 1-15 and 5-11 seasons. As soon as Lofton showed up in San Diego they started winning. Coincidence??? Think again.
Believe me, I like Lane Kiffin. I think he’s a good coach, and a stand up guy, and I want him here. But if Lofton takes over, hey, the dogs bark and the wagons move on.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
So….
Why bother?.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Money talks and you know what walks.
If Berrian is given big time $$$ by the Raiders do you honestly believe he would turn it down?
Regardless of the situation, if a player knows he’s going to get paid he’s going to do it.
Besides if Kiffin does in fact get fired, for which I hope he doesn’t, Lofton is totally capable of running the system in place with Knapp & Cable.
Our running game will flourish regardless thus allowing our offense to be good with a 16 game starter at QB.
As for our D, it doesn’t matter who is coaching the offense, Ryan will be back regardless of past stats.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Bob Marley,..if you apply for a job with the Raiders I promise you they will hire you,..you are just what they look for in their organization.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
DSM,..you asked if Berrian was offered big bucks by Davis would he turn it down?…the answer is of course yes.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
If Berrian is offered big bucks by Oakland, then he gets to see his daughter a lot (she’s in Fresno) and catch passes from Russell.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Alameda ”Insider”
Cool…
So you´re saying they´re looking for a smart, stand-up, easy on the blinkers young man??.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Oh brother,..DSM I have heard it all now…I wont bother with you anymore as reality is something you obviously avoid.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
It’s all very disheartening. I’ve followed the Raiders since 1964. I’ve seen the good & I’ve seen the bad.
We missed out seeing some great players firsthand while they were in LA and were further abused with the PSL’s upon their return to Oakland.
I long for the old days when it was just about football and when all this other drama was virtually non-existent.
Al Davis needs too do something right, wrong or indifferent. We need to get back to what made us great and focus on being the best at what we did when we were the real Oakland Raiders. Al, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Do something that shows us what you are now about. Slogans are no longer cutting it. We need result and measurable indicators showing us, the Raider Nation, if we are still the Raiders we all love or just another Titanic on its maiden voyage.
The ball is in your court Al, your serve!
February 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Insider that’s flat out not true. There are really a hand full of owners that want to win and Davis is one of them. Do you think for one second players are gonna go to across the Bay and play for John York??? York doesn’t give a rats ASS if his team wins or not. Davis does, and always has. Who did York bring in last year?????? Nate Clements. But Only because they drove freaking dump truck loads of cash and dropped it into Clements lap. Who else did the Whiners sign??? Ashley Lelie. And they were supposed to be a playoff team on the rise. enuff said.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Nope ,..they only hire “yes-man”,…and you Bob are clearly that.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Alameda you give to much credit to these kids these days. They only care about money. Winning is important to a select few. Al will pay and they will come. Either way the Raiders need to draft better regardless of who the coach is. FA is just a dog and pony show where they give away big money for an instant splash that really never happens. I expect Al to land a big name in FA because the man does know how to recruit players especially with being 26 million under the cap.
I don’t expect the Raiders to win much, but your prediction of 3-4 wins is a bit too doom and gloom for me.
You think coaches like Steve Marriucci, Jim Fassell or Denny Green wouldn’t cream themselves if Al raised his salary cap on the coaching job to 3-4 million a year instead of the minimmun 2 million. If either Fassel or Marriucci took the job, Kiffin would be all but forgotten and the Raiders would have a vetran coach with a proven track record on developing QB’s.
You can be all doom and gloom if you want, but Reality is money talks. If Al throws money around nobody cares about Kiffin by draft day.
By the way k-rock i am not happy that Kiffin might be on his way out, I want him to stay more than anything, but It is not my decision. All I know is that the situation looks bleak if you take a good look at it.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Glenn,..what the niners do has nothing to do with what I said about the Raiders/Al Davis…I dont follow what the niners do…not closely…but at least John York stays away and doesnt behave like Hitler and makes everyone in the building walk on eggshells….but come free agency, they will at least get visits,..the Raiders wont.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Jerry…Nice piece, we all know you are Ann Killion’s buddy and that you get great kudos from her and the rest when you stir the dodo all the time. Fact, You guys get lots of laughs on how you are going to get your next rise out of Raider Nation. That’s fine we are passionate lot and Al Davis is too private for the press.
That said, I believe what you say has real potential. SO WHAT, turn over in this business is a constant. James Lofton is in place and Rob Ryan is as loyal as they come. The only glitch might be Tom Cable so they need to groom his protege. The NFL players know that AD is a player’s owner and he pays the money for the players. The only down side is that the older elite players who want a team who has an immediate shot at the Superbowl. Besides, free agents are not the smartest way to go, building through the draft is.
I like Kiffin but there is continued potential for turmoil with him around. So stay or leave, it no longer matters. Getting the right players does!
February 26th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Yes of course Mr. Insider, you are absolutely right, no….you are not only right, you Sr. are a genious, that´s what you are Sr.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Dick V,..the Raider need to draft better?…dont hold your breath,..I am now questioning if they even employ a scouting department,…I cannot come up with a team that drafts worse.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Bernard Berrian will go the highest bidder, and would love to catch passes from 60 million dollar man.
Alameda Insider is living on Fantasy island.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Bob it doesnt take a genius to see what is going on with the Raiders,..however, it does take one to remove the blinders,…you havent yet, but a couple more seasons like we have had and you will.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Have a good night fellas.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Dick V,..please dont remind us that the team flushed 60 million down the toilet.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
In 2004, Detroit was able to convince Fernando Bryant & Damien Woody to sign with them. Min was able to land Antoine Winfield, Oakland landed Sapp & Washington, and Washington as usual loaded up on talent regardless of their head coaching carousel because of $$$.
In 2005 we were able to lure Burgess & Jordan. AZ landed Chike Okeafor & Warner.
I could continue the years and show even more players who took the money, but the list would be too long.
Regardless of the team, some will go for the money, some will go for a chance to win.
It’s all about the sale. If the Raiders convince the FA’s that this is the best fit, then we’ll get them.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Insider…
Uhhm….that was not even the point, I was just honing my yes-man skills for that job with the Raiders.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Detroit and Arizona draft worse. Washington doesn’t believe in the draft. The Miami dolphins did a nice job last year with Ted Ginn in the top ten and Beck in the 2nd round. There is four right there.
You are a Niner fan aren’t you. You are trying to bull shit a bullshitsman.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Of course the $$$$ contributes to a good sales presentation.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Night…
February 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Whoever was responsible for last year’s draft must remain with the team throughout the draft as last year’s was our best in over 30 years.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Bob,…just send all your posts from this message board to Alameda,..as I said, they hire gutless yes-men who will NEVER buy into reality.
February 26th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Now you don’t like Jamarcus. Let me guess you think Alex smith and Phillip Rivers are real QB’s worth the money they are getting paid.
i am convinced that Alameda is poser and is just here to talk bad about the Raiders.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I smell troll, his droppings are everywhere.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
yeah there is no denying the stench
February 26th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Dick V if it makes you feel better to think Im a niner fan be my guest,..but Im not,..I am a season ticket holder,..since `95…I used to speak the company line,..no more though,…I have had enough losing,..and I finally have admitted who is to blame,..Al Davis.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
What do you like about the Raiders? Why are you still concerned if all is lost?
February 26th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Trolls deal in absolutes.
Even Al has done somethings right: Fargas, burgess, Namdi are all hand picked by the guy.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Ok,..I get it now,…no matter how terrible the Raiders are,.no matter how bleak the future looks,..no matter how horrible the organization treats people…if you EVER say anything negative, you are a niner fan,…as I have said more then once in here, if you cant take the truth, if you cant take the reality, then you will continue the “commitment to …”..the “Raidernation”…whatever,..I will be in my seat again come the Fall,..likely drunker then I should be to put up with another humiliating season,…but I wont hide from the truth anymore,..like you guys do.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The truth regarding me is,..if it werent for the tailgating I wouldnt bother going,…I live 3 hours from the coliseum,..we hardly go to see great football anymore,..its mostly the tailgating.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Insider you talk like we’re the Zona Cardinals or Detroit or God forbid San Diego or the Whiners. We were in the Super Bowl 6 years ago! It’s not like we haven’t been in fifty years. Everyone cries about how great jon Gruden is. Yeah, he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s players and then went 7-9 and 5-11, right after he won the World Championship! How good can he be?? How good of a personnel evaluator can he be??
No, we are not in denial. No one here thinks we haven’t had problems. We have. That’s not news. What we’re trying to do here is see where things went wrong, and what can be done to improve. Everyone is trying to do that.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
insider=madden raider you have been caught..or you were his buddy at raiders.net.. I see the wording taylored to your crap as madden raider..your all fall in line..so predictable..so clueless..all points every post lead to Al Davis..are you a fan of Ron Wolfe..I heard you were at this sight and I am going to follow you and show everyone here how you were at raiders.net
you will leave in shame..I have you now
February 26th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Dick V, I have to say, Jamarcus Russell is going to be an absolutely fantastic pro player. How Insider can’t see that, I have no idea. That kid is aaallll that.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I just logged on and have only read the last 30 posts. That said, I wouldn’t worry about Tom Cable going anywhere. Winning cures everything and for the first time, in a long time, we finally see direction in a positive manner.
I’ve heard all the rumors re: Kiffin vs Al like everyone else, and like a lot of you, I got pissed when these rumors surfaced. However, if Kiffin is cuttin’ a rug late night at the combine, and the organization is threatening the media for the rumors, there’s a good chance that Kiffin will stick around. If he does, that means his coaching staff will too. This staff can win with adequate talent and we need to give them another season to prove progress.
When we start winning, most of this crap about turmoil will drop off. Al was glad to let him walk because Gruden wasn’t in favor of the vertical game. Kiffin happens to like the vertical offense but he hasn’t had a QB or WR’s that can pull it off. If we win games and the vertical game is part of the reason for the winning, you can bet that Kiffin won’t go anywhere.
One thing is for sure, we will run the ball, and we will throw it deep. Both of which is favorable to keeping your coaching job with Al Davis. A deep threat will get signed, the O-line will improve, and the Defense will improve against the run regardless of who Kiffin wants to sign. This will happen because Al wants it to. If Kiffin can make it work he will stay, as will his staff.
As far as Knapp goes, who cares if he joins Mora? Kiffin calls the plays anyway, Knapp is a practice coordinator.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Maybe Jackie Slater can come back? Tom Walsh?
February 26th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Oakglenn – You’re right. JR will be a good pro. We only saw him in limited action, but in limited snaps we got to see a lot about his future if you think about it. He was put in a couple of bad situations with the fumbled snap and the poor series that ended in an interception.
When the snap was fumbled he didn’t panic. He simply picked up the ball and got back to the line of scrimmage. Heads up play. When he had the bad series that ended in a pick, he came back and continued to try to get the ball down field. The throws were ill advised but he was trying to make a big play. This will change with maturity but at least the kid is a gamer.
Also, there is that small piece of evidence called “film”. His college film indicates he’s a stud, he was ranked as the best player coming into the draft by professional scouting departments and teams. The annointment of him being the top rated prospect was unanimous.
I have every bit of confidence that he will be a good pro. It’s Al’s job to get him some talent and let Kiffin be responsible for engineering the offense. I think both of these things will happen.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Oak, we are in agreement.
# Oakglenn Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
So Kiff is fired. James Lofton takes over. James Lofton was coached in college at Stanford by none other than Hall of Fame Coach Bill Walsh. He was drafted by Green Bay and played his first few years coached by Packer Greats Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg who were coached by Vince Lombardi. After that he went to Super Bowls with Buffalo coached by Hall of Fame Coach Marv Levy. San Diego was coming off 1-15 and 5-11 seasons. As soon as Lofton showed up in San Diego they started winning. Coincidence??? Think again.
Believe me, I like Lane Kiffin. I think he’s a good coach, and a stand up guy, and I want him here. But if Lofton takes over, hey, the dogs bark and the wagons move on.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Well said Mistabrown. I like Kiffin too, but he needs to produce. He gets a free pass thus far as his talent pool is pathetic. If he can’t win with good talent then I’m happy to see him go as he will deserve it. Lofton has been in the league under a pedigree of top shelf training. Having him around is certainly not a bad thing.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I don’t care if Kiffin or Lofton coaches. Hell, I don’t care if Al Davis hires Santa to coach the Raiders. If this team can learn to play all 4 quarters they will win some games.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Let’s not get crazy, we still need continuity. I agree that either Kiffin or Lofton could do the job but we need to have some consistency. The team only learns how to play 4 quarters by having good practices and good coaching. Someone has to get these over paid players motivated.
February 26th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I understand the need for continuity. Al is really impatient because he knows he doesn’t have long left. If the Raiders had won in 02 I don’t think all this would be happening.
That is why Al is going through coaches. He wants to win now. Only problem is it will take time and patience that Al doesn’t have.
February 26th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
# Alameda Insider Says:
February 26th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
“Bob (Marley) it doesnt take a genius to see what is going on with the Raiders,..however, it does take one to remove the blinders,…you havent yet, but a couple more seasons like we have had and you will.”
………….
It’s been 5 tanked seasons, AlamedaInsider, and people like Marley are still at it, strong. Don’t hold your breath…
February 26th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Oakglenn, Lofton has had some success in his past. So has Norv Turner. So has Joe Bugel.
I’m sure if Davis actually did let any one of these guys coach, they probably could build a winning team. But what do these guys have in common? They’re nice guys. TOO nice. Al is going to control them, period.
Kiffin is an outsider. He never had any intentions of letting Al control him. He came in and tried to do what Gruden did, but just didn’t have the finesse Gruden had. He made his move too fast. Gruden was a different 30 years old than Kiffin is today. His generation knew how to deal with the cagey old timers. Gruden knew how to kiss Al’s butt while building a regime behind his back. Kiffin probably never did kiss Al’s butt. Once he got hired, he just took charge.
Lofton will probably be our coach next year, maybe this year. I can really see this team now going 10 straight seasons with losing records. We’ve only got 5 to go. Lofton will never win here, not with Al pulling his strings and hovering over him. So that’s 2 losing seasons, which makes it 7 in a row. Then we hire another coach. Jesus Christ, Art Shell? Whoever it is, that’s 2 more losing seasons, now we’re at 9 in a row. Unless the coach after that is a miracle worker that could get us over the hump in on season, that makes it 10…baby.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:00 am
In the immortal word of La Milicia Negra
*Sigh*
February 27th, 2008 at 12:14 am
If Kiffin leaves, 10 straight losing seasons is a real possibility.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Good Morning to the Nation east of the Water, Good evening to those West of the Water!
If Rathman, Cable or Kiffin leaves we will end in despair.
Knapp, well i’m not totally high on him, but I like his work, but we could find a better OC, the question is would somebody join us?
Vilma, we need to sign Vilma, he is a stud MLB in the 4-3. Give the man a 3 year deal and we can take it easy until those two ILB who went back to College are ready for the NFL
February 27th, 2008 at 1:24 am
WHAT!? Ron Dennis on his way out? thats wild – and off topic =)
February 27th, 2008 at 2:11 am
you know what “THE ROBRYANS’” thinking about ???
CHRIS LONG!! running a 4.71/ 40 @ 280lbs !!
RYANS’ THINKING IT RITE NOW!”MAN WHAT A GREAT SAFETY,
HE GONNA BE ” , ”
“cause no-one expects the saftey to be
weighing in @ 275 lbs ! , so it’s a
” MISMAMATCH ”
as far as ELLIS goes , he thinks ellis is a ONE “DIMENSIONAL TYPE DEF TACKLLE”
( that was his take on grady jackson,in 06 when art shell wanted to sign him in preaseason , robryan talked him out of it, with his
” he is to one dimensional” quote! )
you know ” hell ,he is to big to move around , thAt means its’ not a mismatch
,HE CAN ONLY STOP THE RUN! ” !!!!!!
SO ANYWAY WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF S.D.E HE LIKES VS RUN!
6-2 250LB UNDERSIZED “‘DESIGNATED PASS RUSHERS” THAT ARE LEFT HANDED ,SO THAT WAY”
I CAN BLAME HIM WHEN THE EXPERIMENT DONT WORK &
EVERYONE GETS SICK OF ME!!!”"
February 27th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Davis70
I bet you are Rex Ryan =)
February 27th, 2008 at 2:32 am
O.K. i will be over next 9 months on this & other websites, be making a mock law suit / case vs rorbyan & cronies!! i am the prosecutor only
you all can post in a defense if you want,but i dont see how or what you will be able to defend him !!!!
but needless to say, it will start today!!!
oh btw , to all you rob ryan dopes !
the broncos had 1
one bad year this year with a new def cord !and what did they do !!! FIRED HIM !!!!!ASAP!!!!
the head coach shanahnan raised hell with bowlen and got him fired!!!
now lane saw ryans previous 3 years here ,b4 he even took the job !!
why didnt he insist with al davis
“hey al sorry ,iknow i am new on the job here but this is why u brought me in, this ryan guy,def cord well HE IS THE PROBLEM ON DEFENSE!no the talent!!!
there is not much we can do with the players , to make them better with this guy calling all the wrong plays!!!so i do blame lane kiffin also!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 2:46 am
Oh, you have to blame Lane Kiffin for how bad we’ve been since 2003. Without a doubt. Totally.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:08 am
o.k. this IS ” REAL RAIDER FAN ” VS ROB RYAN !!!
EACH # SIGN/SYMBOL HERE ON IN , WILL BE A EXHIBIT!O.K.
#1 the man ryan,has proven that when given the best player/s available , he can not coach them in a COMPETENT or PROFFESIONAL manner!.
#2 the man ryan also does not conduct himself as a PROFFESIONAL coach.
#3 the man does not adhere to dress code or comply with league regulation,on sidline dress code!
#4 the man also has and is being suspected of TALKING TO OTHER TEAMS,about sensitive team & player status! such as contracts, player availabilty, player INTERNAL STATUS with team, player subject to CUTTING!ETC!
ALL THESE are & has been illegal let alone un-ethical!
now in past anyplayer or coach that has been suspected of this gets blackballed, this dont happen much in league history , seeing that any coach is happy doing what he loves for a living! and most regard wotking for a big school or nfl as realizing a dream , so why would they wanna mess with that!!
but in this guys case he is ” out of his mind” , i will prove / support/ document this fact ! and alSO
i will support that he is DIVULGING RAIDER PLAYER SECRETS TO TEAMS LIKE THE PATRIOTS,JETS,RAVENS!!ETC!!!
LIKE WHAT THE TEAM WILL TAKE IN RETURN!
” HEY BILL I KNOW THEY WILL TAKE AS LOW AS A 4TH ROUNDER FOR MOSS” ,
” thanks, rob how is everyting going there w/ that NEW DEFENSE i want u to run there !
well the ” no blitz 3-4″ or the ” static 3-4 ”
or the ” passive 3-4 ” back in 2004 u wanted me to run
didnt work,the 4-1-6 w/ 4 def ends playing olbr didnt work either bill in 2005,
the BURGESS @ SDE vs run every down in 2006 or 2007 didnt work either ,
matter of fact these palyers keep getting hurt!
huff cant stay healthy @ S.S./ so like u said about huff if he cant play S.S.in a free safetys’body what good is he !”
“i need a fresh idea for 2008 ,i gotta get everyone off my back, thru mini’s& preseaon, like us said if they think u are experimenting with something new ,they leave u alone! rite till opening week !iit’s amazing!!”"”
” o.k. rob i’ll see what i can do, i cant right now cause i got to finish reading the ‘” art of war ” i love the spy part !!”
” hey bill, can i borrow that book when u are done with it,maybe i can learn some of that! they dont sell at the local mobil mini marts ! ya know! i tried like u said! and habib said ” they dont hire orientals there!whatever that means!”"
” well rob , in theory i’m never really doNE reading this book, where people like us come from ” IT REPLACES THE BIBLE ” so in a way we sell our souls to win the title ! by any means necesarry ! isnt that rite ‘rorbryan ” my disciple !!huh,huh,huh!say it !renounce all b4 yu but me !!do it do it!!
and of course ryan being the ”
“DEVIL WORSHIPPER”
“that he is has no problem renouncing the bible if it keeps him his job !! that is why he alWAYS proceeds every thing with the ” HELL” THIS & “HELL THAT ”
SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THATS RITE!
i am,and will BE
accuscing ROB RYAN of talking to head coaches of other teams about company secrets, and in xchange he will get ,
what he thinks is fresh new cutting edge schemes from bill bellicheck ! of the patriots! his old mentor!
( or at least that is what bellicheck wants his ex-cronies to think) WHEN IN actuality he is to sutpid to realize that they are giving bogus ideas/schemes!!
ryan will rationalize it like this
” well,hell nuttin we try here works ,so those guys got the rings ,they got more than we got! so let me just do it there way!! ” they got tot keep their jobs 4 years !!!”"” HELL!!! “”
ME BEING HALF HEBREW & HALF CHRISTIAN I ALWAYS SAID ANYONE WHO STARTS A STATEMENT WITH THE WORD ” HELL”
ACNTY BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FENCE!! if it sounds/smells/acts like FECES ! that usually means it is FECES! now in ryans’ acse he looks like a devil worshipper, he dresses like one , he acts like one ! he talks like one, SO THAT MUST MEAN HE IS ONE !! so that hebrew that owns the raiders better get rid of this ” ANIT CHRIST ” FU;K RIGHT AWAY!!!
SO ANY WAY THIS IS JUSTA SAMPLE OF WHAT I AM OPENING WITH, ANY OF YOU RYAN DEFENSE JERKS WANNA GO UP AGAINST ME!! BRING IT ON!! U BETTER HAVE FACTS!!! & SHIT STRAIGHT ?!!!!!YOU GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:14 am
NO MADDEN RAIDER / RYAN GROUPIE!!!
I BLAME KIFFIN FOR NOT FIRING RYAN WHEN HE 1ST CAME ABOARD !!!
AT THAT POINT HE COULDVE DONE ANY MOVE WITH DAVIS HE WANTED ! AND AL WOULD PLAY BALL!!! NOW HE CANT SO WE ARE STUCK WITH RYAN ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE LANE KIFFIN LIED TO THE RAIDERS ABOUT SENSITIVE BIG PICTURE ISSUES!!LIEK TRYING TO ENGINEER A BETTER FINACIAL DEAL WITH COLLEGES’ DURING THE SEASON WHEN HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOUCED ON WINNING THE GAME RITE IN FRONT OF YOU !!!OH THATS’ NOT IMPORTANT IS IT!!!
LOOK WHAT WILL COME OUT ABOTU YOUR BOYFRIEND LANE KIFIN IS THAT HE LIED TO AL TO GET THE JOB IN 1ST PLACE! HE PROMISED HIS DAD MONTE !!! AND COULD NOT DELIVER HIS OWN DAD!!!!
THIS LANE GUY CANT EVEN RECRUIT HIS OWN FAMILY TO WORKL FOR HIM!!! THAT TO ME SPEAKS VOLUMES!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:16 am
If Vince Lombardi was cryogenically preserved we could clone his DNA and re-animate him in a petry dish. Why wouldn’t we. Common sense dictates that he would still be a good coach and therefore would want to join a team with great history, like the Raiders. Some scientists say this is already possible. Therefore, we can assume that after Jim Mora steals away our coaching staff (which is obviously a certainty), that Vince Lombardi will return from the dead to be our new coach.
The only joke bigger than this post is the oxymoron, journalistic integrity.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Where were all of you media bashers/paranoids when the media was applauding Al Davis for making drastic changes when hiring Kiffin and allowing him to cut out some of the deadweight within the organization? The media seemed pretty positive at that time and gave Al Davis his props, but when they report negative things about the Raiders suddenly there is a big media conspiracy to make everything up and pile on Al Davis. Come on sheep, get some consistency.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:50 am
Sean Salisbury got canned at ESPN.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/16010762.html
February 27th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Do you really think that if the Raiders were trying to tamper with free agents that they would let it be known. I don’t think so, it doesn’t make since if you are the team the NFL always tries to penalize ala last years pretraining being to tough on the players, to actually let it be known to reporters what your tampering plans are.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Damn !!!!!! No wonder Im STRESSED OUT!! Now u know why women have PMS due to men’s Incompetence !! Al step down and let Amy take over Already!!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Hey JERRY I’m looking for a job——
Since jumping on hearsay seems to be the norm amongst bay area reporters of late I figure I’d give it a crack—–
Please review the following report and submit it to your boss. Call me if I’m hired.
Tampering with free agents has become commonplace in this day in age. Although “against the rules,” not doing so will put you well behind the pack and assumably make it more difficult to lure in the NFL’s itinerant veterans. Tampering has become rampant throughout the league since the NFL’s attempt to enforce it is about as big of a joke as prohibition was in the 1920’s. Networks of codes amongst front office personel and agents ensure the dotted line is signed well before they “officially” become free agents this Friday.
Luckily, for the Raiders, they have the Godfather of secrecy at the helm. If there were ever a man you’d want to lead such an underground operation, it would be Al Davis. Defying league rules and challenging the NFL (most of the time successfully) have become lines one and two on Al’s resume. His ability to make the paper trail of facts disappear in nearly all aspects of the organization keep us guessing and speculating based on whatever pieces we can put together and call “the truth.”
Al Davis has always been in the upper eschelon of signing free agents. As Larry Brown and Anthony Dorsett have proven, some can go south. But the other veterans, the ones who make up a much larger list, have been true contributors to the success of the organization over the past four decades.
Outside of the players, an even hazier situation occurs with the tampering of coaching staffs. With vacancies popping up in the league on a yearly basis and assistant coaches being shuffled around in every direction even the most ridiculous of rumors seem to surface. “Monte Kiffin becoming the Raiders defensive coordinater?” Really? With Lane Kiffin allegedly being on the hot seat, rumors have been floating around Indianapolis that his assistants will be participating in a reunion in Seattle in 2009. But making predictions in the fickle NFL for the upcoming season is hard enough. I don’t think all of the absinthe in the liquor cabinet of nostradamus could help clear up the foggy crystal ball of 2009. Al Davis kept Jon Gruden’s entire staff. In the face of success, who’s to say he won’t do the same if Lane Kiffin parts ways with the organization.
That’s the problem with the underground. It’s meant to be secret and it has remained secret for a reason. Talking about it is fun though. As long as we remember to keep the facts separate from our opinions and speculation. Not doing so damages credibility sending us on a one way ticket to the National Enquirer or the Editorial section of the newspapers. Oh by the way, I talked to Jesus Christ last night and after a long chat with him and the undertaker he ended the discussion with, “Be patient raider fans, you know, Al Davis does turn 79 this year.” I’m not too sure what that meant but I know in the end the Raiders will be just fine.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:23 am
2 sense….you better take an English class…
it’s ,,,,In this daY and age….you blew it in the first sentence.. get the want ads back out….try manual labor, you’re very well suited for a cerebral profession.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Dakota- Thanks for the link to Salisbury getting canned.
It’s great he’s out of there because he was so biased against the Raiders. If he talked about anyone being talented on the Raiders he said the whole team from to top to bottom is pathetic and the whole team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
Wow, anyone who doesn’t watch a single Raiders game can look at our stats and say there’s no talent there. I especially love to hear ignorant Raiders fans tell me how bleak it looks, yet I look at the roster and think differently.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:29 am
oops…”not” very well suited.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:32 am
I really like Kiffin, but from what I’ve heard is he’s not as much a people person as we are led to believe as he’s more blunt than anything. Kind of hard-headed from various reports I’ve read.
In my opinion Kiffin came in and tried to make too many changes in one season for which Al obviously didn’t care for coming from such a green coach. Add this to the college feelers and Al obviously has a reason to be upset.
If indeed he loses his job and the Raiders give a reason and it involves the above, then are the players going to revolt or look at it in a positive light with Lofton in charge?
Like I said, I want Kiffin to stay, but he should be here for at least 2 more years to further HIS career.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:33 am
DSM,
Sean Salisbury has publicly admitted to being a Raider Fan growing up…just FYI.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:33 am
good morning Raider nation!!!!
anouncing Wesley Britt, Left Tackle… still available…
just saying…
February 27th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Has it been established as fact (or close enough for sports journalism) that Kiffin sought the Arkansas job?
February 27th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Draft Vernon Golhston enough said
February 27th, 2008 at 6:47 am
Do what you have to do to also get cromartie.Both have tremendous upside plug them in as starters.Anything at L/T is better than what we have.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:48 am
curtis lofton… 4th round pick, Oakland Raiders
future Hall of Fame MLB of the Raiders!!!
(Morrison goes outside, just wanna be clear)…
February 27th, 2008 at 6:57 am
Dakota – when the madie was “applauding” Davis when he hired Kiffin at least they were reporting on something that had actually happened rather than breeding discontent by reporting pure speculation and rumors.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:58 am
uh…
he won’t be there in the 4th…
he might not even be there in the 3rd…
sigh…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:00 am
So what this blog is suggesting via Foxsports is that in 2009 James Lofton wil be the Raiders HC and Kiffin will be gone. Furthermore Holmgren Leaves Seattle to coach the 49ers when his contract expires and 49ers finally dump Nolan(make no mistake that is the translation of Holmgren’s announcement )Then Knapp, Rathman and Cable will defect from Raider Nation to help Jim Mora Jr. run the Seahawks into the toilet like he did the Falcons.Is that about the size of it? I hope not.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:03 am
So sick of all this crap… Much worse than usual… Won’t it be ironic if Kiffin interviewed his own replacement? Come all the way from Tahoe for the games. Gas prices + losing + all this soap opera crap cauing me to rethink this… I get all the games on TV anyway…The game has passed Al by… face it…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Al’s formula for failure – No stability with the coaches and a preditictable, simple defense stocked with track stars. Rob Ryan is a yes man. At least Kiffin has some balls…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Draft Beer , are you drinking already?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:26 am
What is the over-under on the number of coaches Jamarcus Russell will have to endure over his first 6 years in the NFL? 3?
How many coaches did Tim Brown have to suffer through as a Raider? 6 or 7?
Al, can we please get some stability at the position fo Head Coach before we ruin the future of the franchise? JFCA!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:28 am
ooops, when I get mad I get lexdysic…I mean dyslexic.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Dakota, do you know if Kiffin looked for the Arkansas job? Or was this speculation?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:40 am
C. Long if he falls into our hands, if not, J. Long or Vernon Gholston and then Laws or Bryant in 2nd. Maybe trade Burgess for a 3rd round and Curtis Lofton, #40 from Oklahoma in the 4th.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:47 am
C. Long and Laws looks like they have a good relationship already! It would be huge to bag those.
Get Vilma in FA now, Lofton on day 2 of the draft! then its just – hah – just the SS spot that needs to be looked at…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RaiderTW,
My sources tell me that on November 28, 2007 Lane Kiffin attended the Razorback Open house and took a bus tour of campus. After the bus tour he stopped off at the Blair Library to pick up a copy of the Fayetteville Observer to read while eating lunch at the the HogHaus Brewery. After lunch he met with Ralph Bradbury and several other Razorback boosters at the offices of the Razorback Foundation. During the meeting one of the boosters ordered Lane Kiffin to “squeel like a pig boy” at which time Lane Kiffin exited the building and jumped on the first flight back to Oakland.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Good one Dakota.
Good morning Raider Nation.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:55 am
RaiderTW,
That is all I know about Kiffin and Arkansas…(PS: that is how they spell squeal in Arkansas.)
February 27th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Now that Steak-boy has been axed by BSPN, perhaps he’ll come to Alameda to be the Silver and Black’s PR man.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Al Davis told me he is going to hire me as your next GM of Da Raidahs!
Wooo-hooo!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Went to visit a friend in NW Arkansas one time. Dry county so we drove to the county line and bought four cases of beer. Arriving back at his home his wife was a wee bit concerned at seeing 96 beers in the kitchen. As my friend explained that I was going to be there two whole days and that there was a Raider game on that weekend…
February 27th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Dakota, thanx, if it’s true (the roll of Ned Beatty aside) then I don’t hate Al davis as much & don’t blame him for not giving him the whole reins of the Raiders. If Kiffin can’t expect Al to have CIA like tabs on his head coach then he’s really not that smart. Al expects loyalty at least until the contract is complete. Wouldn’t anyone? If this is where the Ryan firing, Lofton hiring, & no comment to the media is hinged then Al has every right to react how he has. Thanks again Dakota I never got verifaction on this point.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Dakota – you writing for SI now I see? LOL
About 128, read 143, and think that at least when the media puppets were praising Al for Kiffin etc, at least their reports were founded in truth.
Enlighten me to where the Raiders have done anything (officially) to suggest that something is going on with Lane Kiffin and company… I’ve personally seen nothing.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Man if the rumors about Knapp and Rathman are true, it kinda sucks, but it’s not a huge deal.
On the other hand, losing Tom Cable to Seattle next year would be devastating. Anybody remember what our offensive line was like in ‘06??
February 27th, 2008 at 8:12 am
No question that changing coaches changes systems and impedes the process of matching talent to a system.
We need to stop the merry go round.
I think it is possible for Lofton to step in if Kiffin decides working for AD is not for him.
I could see the system staying in place even if Kiffin leaves as long as Knapp/Cable/Ryan stay. Al could throw a few dollars at the assistant coaches and they would not leave unless an HC job were offered.
I would like to see Kiffin stay but he needs to understand that he is not the GM.(Few HC’s have that authority). Bringing in Lofton could help Kiffin if he pays attention. If he doesn’t, Lofton would step in as HC and the Raiders would keep the same system for 2008.
Not a bad move by Al.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:18 am
First there is freaking out about this year’s coaching staff, now there’s worry about the subsequent year’s coaching staff. Focus people. ‘09 does not exist (hell, here around the Hayward Fault, Oaktown might not even exist by ‘09). Labor issues could curtail this upcoming season, now that’s something that would hurt the youngsters in their development.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:29 am
As was stated yesterday, sports writers predictions of coaching staff changes A YEAR AHEAD are nebulous at best.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Talking about ‘09 coaching moves is just the Presstitutes trying to make an easy buck.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:40 am
I wonder if Steak-boy prognosticated his own firing.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:50 am
After all these rumors about the Raiders, I am still thinking that one — ONE — major free agent signing this weekend or early next week would kill at least the “nobody will go there” thesis. And accordingly, if Berrian or whomever else doesn’t sign in silver and black … well … then the theory becomes even bigger and whoever is the coach will have a major job of (again) reclaiming and remotivating the team. Here’s hoping that AD actually has something (something good) up his sleeve and that he feels he’s made his point to Kiffin, and keeps the coaching staff intact. Then we can get on with it, and help Jamarcus develop the way we all hope he will.
Q: Any opinions on more or less second tier FA’s out there? Should Oakland call McCareins for example?
February 27th, 2008 at 8:53 am
I’ll be swilling liquor in a trailor park with my buddy Rob Ryan soon enough.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Thick headed goofs one and all…..can’t you recognize a journalist (well…sports writer anyway, but they want to be journalists) tooting his own horn when you hear it???
Let me paraphrase for you what they are really saying….”I’m a big shot, nationally syndicated sports writer and I’m also, so well connected that I’m the only one that covers the NFL that you need to pay any attention to. So…. when I drop names and try to show how much of an insider I am with all the NFL coaches you will believe what ever I tell you.
I hate the Raider Organization for being so secretive and not recognizing or respecting me, or my colleagues and granting us total access at our beckon call. Therefore, with all the training and education I received at journalism school I will smear the Raiders and Al Davis, all the while skirting libel and slander.
So Raider Nation ,,,listen up….My sources tell me you won’t have any coaches next year.”
February 27th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Blah Blah, more speculative People magazine fast food news crap. So now John Czarnecki of Foxsports.com has the inside track of whats going on with the Raiders? Their contracts are up after this season…. so they could go anyway. Its not a stretch for him to suggest that. What you don’t know is if they even liked working with Mora, how happy are they here in the Bay Area, Assuming Kiffin was leaving in the next 2 years these same coaches could also have bigger opportunity for them right here.
Jerry, you said you had a ‘nice chat’ with Kiffin on and off the record with Kiffin how about a transcript of the ‘on the record’ conversation. If Kiffin actually implied or said he was not going to be here this year off the record you could certainly be a little more creative about informing us with out breaking his confidentiality.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:12 am
2sense – your hired! Keep the traffic numbers up by posting more things like this, we have ad space to sell!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Bishop,
What bothers me is what the Raiders HAVE NOT done to squelch the rumors of the Kiffin-Davis standoff. They sure came out in force to squelch the Rob Ryan rumors, but they have not done so for Kiffin. What could that possibly mean other than that there is a problem between the two of them? Even if Davis holds Kiffin’s feet to the fire and makes him coach next season under duress and then drops him like a rock, is that really what is good for the franchise? Will that help us develop into a better team in 09’ under James Lofton or Rob Ryan? Will that accelerate Jamarcus Russell’s learning curve? I think not.
Frankly, I could not care less if Kiffin is the head coach or not, what bothers me is that the Raiders have become a joke due to Al Davis’ decision making over the past 5 years. I just want stability and growth at the head coaching position. Al Davis treats the head coaching position like they are nothing more than managers of a McDonald’s. They have little power to control what players they get and even who is on THEIR OWN coaching staff. The head coaching position of the Oakland Raiders has become a joke, and so we better expect to only find clowns that will take the job. And few teams have won the SB while being directed by a shittty head coach.
Okay, I am ranting, but I think we can all see that the Kiffin-Davis debacle will result in Lane Kiffin not being around past next year, which means it is back to square one AGAIN, and all the professionalism and competitiveness Kiffin brought back to the Raiders will be flushed down the toilet and we will once again have to stare into the abyss of the unknown. That is the stuff that is so frustrating. Al Davis is trying to run this organization today the same was he did in the 1970s, and times have changed baby. Keep up or you get left behind. He teases us by hiring the right guys like Gruden and Kiffin, but as soon as they demonstrate any sort of autonomy, they lose favor with Al Davis and he shites on a good thing in favor of crap coaches like Art, and Joe, and Norv and Bill. He is on the verge of doing it again with Kiffin and it just makes me sick. He is extinguishing that little light at the end of the tunnel we all finally spotted in 07’. Why is he doing it? Who can say. Maybe everything was perfect and Al Davis kept all of his promises to Kiffin and Kiffin still went calling on Arkansas…then Al Davis is in the right. That is the story you will hear from Al Davis at the press conference announcing Lane’s replacement, but do you really believe it? Isn’t it more likely that Al Davis didn’t keep his promises and Lane realized he was trapped in the worst job in the NFL and he desperately just wanted out from under Al Davis’ thumb? The latter is way more believable to me than the former.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Breaking News!: Rob Ryan has been fired, he was seen at the combine in silver and black reebok clothings with no Raiders logo… clear evidence that Lofton will be HC and AL Davis DC…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:33 am
BREAKING NEWS OUT OF DENMARK: GNN sources have confirmed that LMN is going commando today while sitting at his computer. This is a clear indication that he is asking out of his Fruit of the Loom endorsement.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Let me get this straight….Al Davis should respond to every bit of Bull Crap the media spews??
What will the Media say if Davis comes out and says…
“Lane Kiffin is the coach of the Raiders and I have all the confidence in the world in him and the decision I made to hire him last year.”
You people are so full of yourselves it’s laughable.
It’s like you demand,,, or even feel you rightfully deserve to be made privvy to the inside operation of the Raider Orginization.
Let me claify that misconception for you.
You are entitled to the finished product that Al Davis and the Raiders Organization puts on the field every season…Period.
If you don’t like it tough…go across the Bay or elsewhere.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Rob Ryan could be wearing women’s makeup on the sidelines, and Al Davis would be OK with it.
For some reason, Rob Ryan can do whatever he wants..and there is not repercussions.
He hasn’t improved this defense in 4 YEARS, and gets a glowing review from Big Al.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:39 am
BAAAAAAAA…
I hear the Al Davis sheep coming out to play.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am
I think BSPN should hire me, I spin better stories than Adam schefter
February 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Yeah How dare Al Davis think he knows more about owning and running a NFL team than us geniuses that neglect our jobs and family lives to be on a blog.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Dakota is that your mating call for ScottishRaider???
February 27th, 2008 at 9:43 am
BAAAAA, shut up you are nothing but a fan
BAAAAA, Al Davis can do no wrong
BAAAAA, the media makes all this stuff up
BAAAAA, everything that has gone right with the Raiders is because of Al Davis
BAAAAA, nothing that has gone wrong with the Raiders is Al Davis’ fault
BAAAAA, commitment to excellence
February 27th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Draft,
Gosh I hope not, especially after that last post, lol, I better go lock my door.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I think this room is sensored…three of my earlier posts defending my competence have seemed to DISAPPEAR after i wrote my article (post 132) pretty freaky. they were there this morning.
Anyways Dakota-
Kiffin did a good job. The record didn’t show. But any fool that watched the games know that.
But Kiffin’s 31. You don’t go marching into a 78 year old mans office thats been doing this his ENTIRE life and butt heads. What it was about. Who knows? But you’re not gonna win. I don’t care how right you are. And I’m sure, to some degree, Kiffin WAS right. But he should be smart enough to know that he’s not going to make it through the wall who is Al Davis. Bottom line is Kiffin will opt out next year and we’ll be back to square one. The only difference that everyone seems to be missing is that we’ll have a decent core of players. Something that lacked when these other coaches walked into the job. So maybe we shouldn’t be worrying TOO MUCH. We all like stability but maybe Kiffin was gonna bolt anyways. Just using his two years to beef up his resume. Then we’d be in the same position anyways. If Kiff is so gung ho about his philosophy and system i doubt the Raiders would’ve been a job he circled. Again he’s not that dumb. If we’re gonna speculate we may as well be fair.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am
I guess I should join the choir of self righteous whiners that dominate this blog.
Punks that know nothing of running an organization and suffer from Instantaneous Gratification Syndrome*.
* If I don’t get what I want soon enough to suit me then I’ll P!SS and Moan.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am
For all you Raider bashers, you can tune into the All American or United Football Leagues in August 2009!
Until then Go Silver and Black.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Rob Ryan’s Getup next season:
http://youthhacks.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/vertmessiner.jpg
February 27th, 2008 at 9:51 am
It’s spelled CENSORED… Mr. Sports Writer wannabee
February 27th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Dakota if my memory serves me right,
The press had reported that Rob Ryan had already been fired, not that he was about to be fired in the upcoming months. The Raiders issued a statement saying that Rob Ryan had not been fired and that it was irresponsible journalism to say that he was fired and flood the airwaves with that story.
To me that’s different than rumors of Kiffin being estranged from Davis and seeking employment elsewhere, and all of that crap. Like someone said earlier, If the Raiders responded to every rumor from the media they wouldn’t have time to do anything else.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:53 am
and as for Al Davis pulling the wool over Kiffs eyes. Seriously. He’s been in charge of this team for almost 5 decades. Even if Al promised him, which i’d bet my house on that he didn’t, Kiffin would be an idiot to believe it. And again, he just can’t be that stupid.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Looks like Draft Beer has been hitting the booze a little early today.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:56 am
2sense,
According to the evil anti-Raider media…Kiffin couldn’t opt out because the team is the one the holds the options for two years beyond the 08′-09′ season, but other than that you might be right, speculate in one hand and defecate in the other, see which hand fills up first…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:56 am
He is that stupid.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:59 am
You know this blog is getting old
with all the repetitive nonsense comments about Kiffin, Davis, Mcfadden & the draft.
Can any of you start a new topic for discussion???
Talk about beating a dead horse. Nobody wants to hear any
more opinions about Mcfadden or who should the Raiders pick, nobody wants to hear any more comments about AD..we’ve heard them all.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:01 am
PORF, sounds like you need to go to a men’s figure skating blog. You would fit in there.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:02 am
“If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction.”
February 27th, 2008 at 10:04 am
To perceive is to suffer. To conform like Al Davis sheep is bliss.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Draft-
that’s right brother. i’ll just keep writing and you can keep proofreading. You could be my understudy. You know, learn from me and then maybe in time you could offer some insightful information. Then you can become a big boy and go off on your own. Until then, keep proofreading. That way when I replace JERRY I’ll be on top of my game.
you know you liked that article and with you being my official grammar man, we can’t fail. I’ll make you an offer, what do you make now $3-$4 an hour?
February 27th, 2008 at 10:10 am
PORF-
give us a topic dude.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Hey LMN, post #175 was a joke; I hope nothing got lost in translation…
February 27th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I’ll give you guys a topic: Get a life
February 27th, 2008 at 10:20 am
PORF has a big time crush on Scott Hamilton:
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=85221&rendTypeId=4
February 27th, 2008 at 10:22 am
And for you to you Sean Salisbury as you name says a lot about you. Is he your hero? your role model?
Wish you could bump uglies with Sean Salisbury?
Anybody who looks up to that idiot is not only an idiot, but a clueless bum
February 27th, 2008 at 10:23 am
*for you to use
February 27th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Raiders should definitely look to trade down right now. Sedrick Ellis at No. 4 is a bad pick. If Chris Long was going to be there I’d say take him, but it looks like he’ll be gone now. The Raiders have too many needs and too few picks to waste a No. 4 on Ellis.
The problem is there aren’t really any marquee players for teams to trade up for, so there may not be any buyers.
The best-case scenario: Jerry Jones is an Arkansas guy who loves star players. Maybe he trades Dallas’ two No. 1 picks to move ahead of the Jets and take McFadden. That is, if Atlanta doesn’t take him first.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Here we go boys and girls…another cyberspace fight!
February 27th, 2008 at 10:24 am
And let me correct my name also while im at it
February 27th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Do you guys really think a #4 pick DL is going to make that much off a difference in the D for next year considering the fact they still have lack of talent on D in all areas except for on CB and 2 LB’s
February 27th, 2008 at 10:31 am
This team is in desperate need of a major overhaul and im talking O, D, ST, coaching & scouting. A Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis Glen Dorsey alone is not gonna get it done.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Pissed,
So what is your answer for what ails the Raiders?
February 27th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I haven’t been on here much lately but I try and get caught. Sorry but I need to comment on the older post and maybe have been addressed but in regards to Kiffin….My god let the do what he was hired to do COACH. I’m sick of all this talk Kiffin is this and Kiffin is that….He’s a freaking coach…let him do his job and quit all this sh!t about stuff that shouldn’t matter. Do you have to love everything about the guy? NO, has anyone given him a chance yet? NO. How can anyone do his job with all this crap going on…OK bash me if you will but that’s my thoughts
February 27th, 2008 at 10:37 am
sorry alot of typos…I was pretty hot and was typing too fast. Hope you can read between the lines and errors
February 27th, 2008 at 10:38 am
LOL
Senser this!
February 27th, 2008 at 10:39 am
do you blame Kiffin for trying to avoid the press. It’s a no win situation
February 27th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Dakota -
What is this obsession with sheep? Are all Laker fans this way?
Raider Nation, here is a scenario to ponder:
So what if the Raiders traded their #4 pick in the 1st round to the Patriots for their #7 pick in the 1st round as well as the Pats 3rd round pick? The #7 pick would allow the Raiders to select someone like LB Keith “The Shark” Rivers, select DT Trevor Laws in the 2nd round and the Raiders would get a 3rd round pick to select a WR or Safety.
What do you all think of that little scenario?
February 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Alameda Insider = MaddenRaider
Just thought some of you might like to know this little tidbit of information…
February 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am
That sounds like a plan Dogg…make it happen.
Lakers Rule, baaaa.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:44 am
If Long is gone #4, no way we don’t trade down, scooping McFadden to Al’s boy Jerry Jones for a hefty payday. Cable already said there are more LT in later rounds that match ZBS, so don’t count on Gallery pt.2 to happen. Dorsey will free fall, no guessing there. Ellis, hmmm. I’m not quite seeing it.
DeSean Jackson will be a Raider, count on it.
Look for Al to grab a few wash ups in FA to fill holes this year. Untill we post a winning season, we will not see an influx of big namers.
Hall in a trade to ATL for Fabs/Rhodes and a handfull of Dollars may go down. We would then look for a Forsett, or smaller quicker back in the later rounds or as a UFA…
February 27th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Dakota -
I’m on the phone right now talking to John Herrera. Don’t ask him about talking to me though, he will issue a statement claiming that our conversation “just never happened”
As things look right now, are the Lakers the #1 seed in the playoff picture? The Warriors are the 8th seed as of last night. So it could be a 1st round meeting between the Lakers and the Warriors after all.
Austin Croshere came out of nowhere last night and put up 14 points in the 3rd quarter! I couldn’t believe my eyes, he was everywhere working his ass off!
Warriors Rule!
February 27th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Yalls,
We all want to trade down, but the one problem with that is finding one confirmed instance of Al Davis trading down from the top of the first round…frankly, there have been more confirmed UFO sightings in Texas than confirmed instances of Al Davis trading down from the top of the first round…there goes your theory I guess.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:52 am
RaiderDogg,
That’s not a bad scenario. And I’m sure the Patriots would love to burn the Jets by jumping ahead to take McFadden. But I’d use the #7 pick on OT Ryan Clady. He fills a bigger need than Rivers and is supposedly a perfect system fit.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:54 am
The answer is spending some serious dough in FA to bring in a Haynesworth, a Faneca, a John Lynch, a Roy Williams or Chad Johnson or both.
This is not an era where you need to rebuild in years to be competitive. It can get done in a year depending on how much $$$ AD wants to spend and that’s a big caveat because AD always wants to bring in superstar players past their prime for bargain prices hoping he can squeeze out one or two more pro bowl years out of them.
Again, somebody needs to give AD a good kick in the A$$
and tell him that’s not the way to get it done. Not anymore.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Say no to Desean- Dexter Jackson better imo.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am
8th seed huh? Jeez, I thought the NBA contracted the Warriors franchise years ago…
Lakers Rule!
PS: Croshere made his name in the 2000 finals against the Lakers, he torched them, then got a huge contract and faded away like a Kobe Bryant baseline jumper.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Pissed Off,
Too bad Haynesworth was franchised and RW and CJ are not free agents…I like the Faneca idea though…always room for improvement on the o-line.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Dogg,
I forgot to mention…say high to John Joseph Goebbels Herrera for me…tell him that much of Raider Nation is buying his nonsense hook, line and sinker.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:08 am
for those of you who think Al Davis is too tight with his checkbook to bring in top-notch free agents…
and all we need to do is sign the very best guy who can play at every position…
i have two words…
salary cap…
February 27th, 2008 at 11:08 am
I don’t think Faneca would fit with the cut blocking style we are doing.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Chris in NY -
I thought that I heard Clady hurt himself at the combine. I am all for a standout LT I’m just leary about drafting one that high. Someone mentioned earlier that Cable said there are some quality OLineman in the later rounds of the draft that fit the ZBS very well. Plus I have been all about defense in the first 2 rounds. I see why you would be tempted by Clady though.
Dakota -
Honestly I didn’t realize that Croshere had it in him. He looked like a young man out there last night, fighting for boards, draining threes. To me everything that Croshere brings to the table is bonus. He was way more active than your boy Chris Webber.
I just hung up with Herrera. He can’t believe that the Nation is coming unglued. Everything is cool from where he is sitting. I guess if I was pulling in a 6 figure salary everything would be cool for me too.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:17 am
The salary cap issue always has more loop holes than swiss cheese + this year we are one of the top teams in terms of cap room.
Didn’t know about Haynesworth getting franchised, that sucks.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:17 am
AL hasn’t operated like the AL of Old since 2002-2003. Picking up one impact FA here and there is not how Big AL operates, or use too. Since 2002-2003 the only impact FA’s AL has brought into the fold were Moss and Jordan. The rest have been marginal role players that have made little to no impact. Most of the team is made-up of marginally talented drafted players and marginally talented FA role players with a few exceptions here and there.
If we keep depending on the draft and marginal FA role players to fill the roster, we will never return to greatness. AL has got to be AL again and make some deals to bring us some proven talent.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:22 am
hey pissed off-
read 225 and get a clue. then come back and post.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:23 am
whats up nation, hope all is good.
its been awhile, computer is down, here at a comrads and just want to pop in to see what was stirring.
is it true what i read about huff being shopped around??
February 27th, 2008 at 11:24 am
while we’re at it maybe we should look into pickin up merriman, corey williams, LT, peyton manning, and steve smith. that’d be awesome!!!!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Until the offense is close to a finished product, Kiffin or Lofton for that matter will have very little job security.
Not that I believe the D is any good, but if our offense can consistently put up 21 points and we are still losing games, then Al can pinpoint Ryan w/o any complaints about the offense.
I definitely believe Ryan can’t coach up the D like Kiffin did with the O last year. Ryan has had plenty of excuses over the past 4 years as to why the defense hasn’t performed.
Simply by having the same starting QB all season will do wonders for both the offense & the D. Confidence is a big factor in the NFL and knowing the offense can’t do anything doesn’t bode well for the attitude of the D.
We’ll see what happens in six months, but right now let’s wait for the FA’s as they will come regardless of the situation. Money talks and you know what walks.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:37 am
At least we are not the Browns:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3266794
I don’t get it, are they going to trade Brady Quinn? Why not Anderson test the FA market? Worst case scenario he signs with another team and the Browns can either match the offer or get a 1st and 3rd for him…
February 27th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Law and Bell cut from the Chiefs….think the Raiders should add Bell for LB depth?
February 27th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I read somewhere Law would not rule out a return to the Patsies….might work since Samuel might be going to New Orleans.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Spending money on players is not a problem for the Raiders. Al will pay players plenty. In fact, sometimes, he pays them too much (Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, etc.). The real problem is that Al doesn’t want a coach. He wants someone to stand on the sideline because he can’t do it anymore. Anytime somebody comes in and has some success, Al drives him out of town (see Jon Gruden). Al needs to just stay in his office and sign checks.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I got a clue. Haynesworth was franchised and it sucks.
Didnt know it. But I was naming those names to make a point that multiple of elite, or at least proven and talented players need to be signed while getting rid of all the garbage that just collect pay checks in order to right the ship. To do that will require a major overhaul, its not a fixer-upper job.
It’s not like the Lakers getting Gasol and all of a sudden talking championship.
A #4 pick, or an entire draft for that matter wont translate into a playoff appearance unless you follow it up with more great signings.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Okay Pissed Off,
Now you just need a clue about the NBA, lol.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Brown81- Obviously with your screen name we can automatically assume you aren’t an Al fan as Brown was a big whiner.
Like I’ve said earlier when I’ve read reports about Kiffin putting feelers out there given the fact Al gave the KID a chance, if in fact this is true then firing Kiffin isn’t a big deal.
In addition, Gruden left when he knew his team had a one year window and then you know what would hit the fan. Look at what he’s done talent wise and record wise at Tampa Bay.
When is the last time Detroit or AZ went to the Super Bowl?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
We need to stop being the Asylum of “Give me your tired, your weak, your hungry…” Cuz they’re usually just hungry for one more contract on their way out of the door. Al is doing good sucking the young juices of Kiffin’s recruiting knowledge. A couple more good drafts, and we’ll be in contention..
Just Keep it Young, baby! No to Law..
February 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Yes the Raiders have been very bad since 2003, but at least other franchises have gone through similar problems (Redskins & Cowboys) and have recovered. The similarities between each owner, Jerry Jones meddles big time as well as Snyder. How many coaches has Snyder & Jones been through?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
DSM,
As a fellow Lakers fan I thought you would have higher standards than most in this blog. Are you proud that in the last 25 years the Raiders have accomplished losing one more super bowl than Detroit or Arizona? That is a pretty pathetic accomplishment if you ask me…if Al Davis wants us to buy into the commitment to excellence line he better do much much better than that, right?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
—”The Broncos are believed to have interest in free agent DLs Tommy Kelly, Justin Smith, and Marques Douglas, according to the Denver Post.
Smith would fit at left end in Denver, but his price tag will be high. Kelly is younger and should come at a more manageable rate. The 49ers are letting Douglas hit the market because they think he’ll get huge offers elsewhere.
Feb. 27 – 3:00 p.m. ET”—
I hope it wont happen
February 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
looks like David Carr is available…any takers?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
True. Other franchises suffer, but it is usually a failed plan, or FA, or injury related, or a combo. It has been a mees in OAK for awhile now, with no tangible tact and there isn’t much end in sight,especially if Kiffin really is the little brat he was rumored to be.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I remember sitting at the Coliseum in L.A. and watching the scoreboard give the winning percentage of sports winningest professional franchise, THE RAIDERS. Later years modified to pro football’s most successful team, THE RAIDERS and by the last year in L.A. no mention at all.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
LMN – We have been sleeping this offseason already. No feelers put out for any FA WR’s. Denver has been incredibly active, basically doing everything we should be doing. No reason they wont snatch Kelly right out of our hands. That cat gave us a win single handedly last year. We’d be 3-15..LOL
Starting to wonder if maybe Kiffin really is shut out of FA, cuz a young guy like him would be making moves early.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
LOL to post 249…so true, yet sad.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Fox Sports radio is reporting the the 49ers have a deal in place with Lance Briggs…wtf? I thought free agency starts Friday!, lol.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
—”The Broncos have reportedly had no substantive talks with the Lions about Pro Bowl DT Shaun Rogers.
The Rocky Mountain News jumped the gun on declaring a trade imminent on Monday. The Broncos are still exploring the idea of acquiring Rogers, but the Bengals, Bills, and Jets are also interested in the 350-pound nose tackle.
Feb. 27 – 3:06 p.m. ET”—
Those who wish him to join our team there are still hopes
February 27th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Damn, looks like the 9ers are making some moves…they’re talking to Justin Smith too.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I meant 3-13, of course..
February 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
With a major pay cut David Carr would be a nice backup QB…much better than McClown! Don’t give me any of the “McClown knows the system” line of BS either, since the “system” (Kiffin for you short-bus bloggers) is on the verge of getting canned.
Hey, I wonder if all these zone-blocking O-lineman we are about to sign or draft for Cables system will fit in with whatever blocking scheme the next set of coaches plan on implementing…this is why we need stability Al Davis! Can’t you get it through your dementia induced mental haze that the players we sign and draft today need to be developed under a consistent scheme to better increase their chances of success with the Raiders into the future?
#$*&%&^$@$*&@! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDGGGGEEEE!
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Well, at least Briggs and Smith are not going to AFC West rivals. Is that a glass half-full thought?
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
The Giants are still working to sign Wilson before he becomes a free agent on Friday, but it’s looking less and less like it’s actually going to happen, reports the Daily News. The Giants are willing to spend, but the 26-year-old Wilson knows he will attract attenion on the free agent market. The Eagles and Jaguars are two teams reportedly interested.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Post #239…Al does not drive anyone out of town. Once a HC becomes successful, they develop an ego that approaches Al’s and then they become incompatible. The HC leaves because he wants more control than Al will allow. I don’t like it but Al is the owner and GM. Kiffin came in wanting more control than Al would allow and then he stepped over Al’s line in firing RR without first getting permission so he got spanked. As a head coach you only have to convince Al first and then you can get what you want. The caveat is that you have to be smarter than Al.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Wilson, who will become a free agent on Friday, will not be back with the Patriots, reports The Boston Globe. The former second-round pick is expected to draw interest, and one team rates him as the second-best safety. “I’m looking forward to moving on, and at the same time, I wish the best of luck to the Patriots because I don’t think I’ll be back there this year,” Wilson said.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Gabril Wilson – Giants
Eugene Wilson – Pats
We will not find a difference maker SS out of the draft this year. Maybe a developer, but not a 16 gamer. We need to get one of these guys, or were toast, again…
February 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Brilliant…..Carr???? LMAO
Carr and Walter could have an immobility contest
Never mind considering the fit of a free agent into the current Raider Offensive or Defensive system, just try to look like the smartest person in the room because you suggested it first….totally brilliant.
February 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
If Shanahan gets his little rodent paws on Kelly, perhaps we can get Antwan Odom from the Titans..Looks like Haynesworth got their hands tied…
February 27th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I think Congress should look into player tampering in the NFL.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I think Congress should look into getting us out of Iraq…
February 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Iraq? What is Iraq? Is there an NFL franchise there?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I think congress should look into why beer costs so much at the stadium
February 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Dakota- I’m not happy by any means how the last 25 years has gone.
But, for the first time since the ’80’s I actually believe the talent on this team will be above average across the board in two years.
The way this team is being built is for the long haul with solid young players. Combined FA and both the ‘08 & ‘09 draft should provide the team a stockpile of studs and plenty of speed.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
The wussy lib Democrats in congress have caved several times on troop withdrawls and defunding of the war. They want to be reelected.
I think Congress should look into the dumbing down of American citizens and they should also consider the cancellation of any federal spending in cities that ban military recruitement.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Hey Pete,
Have you idiots in Florida learned how to fill out a ballot yet? Election time is almost here!
Just kidding.
GO RAIDERS!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Best line ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfea6IWiYu0
February 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
In the NFL it’s a tampering free for all, at least it is for 31 teams. If the Raiders even appeared to be tampering before Free Agency began there would be hell to pay! But the other 31 teams feel free to tamper away. A wink here, a nod there, it’s all good unless its the Raiders.
The Raiders are making moves behind the scenes, they’re just being quiet about it. The Raiders aren’t able to brag to the rest of the league how they are tampering with other team’s soon to be free agents because they will pay the price in the form of fines and other punishments that NFL decides to dish out.
If the Raiders pulled some crap like the Spygate nonsense there would be 31 teams in the NFL and the Raiders would be a new team in the UFL.
Also Tommy Kelly isn’t going anywhere. Trust me on this…
February 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Beer costs so much at stadiums because it’s an easy added revenue for the city that owns the stadium.
The fact that alot of fans can handle their alcohol or still act civilized when they drink gives the city and stadium boards all the ammunition they need to raise prices.
It curbs excessive consumption and raises revenue.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Florida Pete have you idiots in Florida figured out that letting Democrats design the ballots is too confusing for other democrats???
February 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Can’t handle their alcohol
February 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Draft, check out 271, I guarantee you will enjoy.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
RaiderDogg–
I agree on the behind the scenes approach the Raiders take this time of year. They dont announce stuff like other teams do, which makes me feel like they’re sleepin. Hopefully we get a good slice..
Why would I trust you on TK? You gotta link or some compelling info?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Dakota- I thought he said “Ya mean like Raider Fans?..” lol
February 27th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Yalls Trippin -
No link on TK, just a gut feeling.
Draft Beer -
So the Florida Election debacle was because of the Democrats? So the Democrats screwed one of their own to help out George W? Wow bro. I’m not a Democrat by any means but that statement about Florida is either pure ignorance or pure denial.
It’s cool because I prefer bottled beer anyway.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Thank gosh that is not what he said, lol…can we edit it to say “You mean like Bronco fans?”
February 27th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
we now have arcade games that double as voting booths…
no more hanging chads for us!!!!
but…
that’s not going to keep us from counting the paper ballots…
those are on the back of every Republican Weekly magazine!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
DSM, If by “whiner” you mean Tim Brown had the cajones to call Al out when he was being an idiot, then yes, he was a whiner. I don’t hate Al, he created this team. As I said, he will pay the money to get players in. You are also right that we have plenty of talent. Our problem is that Al won’t let his coaches coach, unless they do it the way Al wants them to. Which has not worked since the team was in LA. The last time we were successful was with Gruden as head coach (Callahan doesn’t count, Gruden had two teams in the Super Bowl that year). Gruden was essentially traded to the Bucs and has done more with less than what any succeeding Raiders coaches have done with more. Al wants the team to play the way he wants them to play, and if they don’t, he gets rid of them, win or lose. I love Al, but it’s time for him to be a figure-head, and that’s all.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Oh, by the way, Tim Brown is also a Hall of Fame receiver who leads the team in receptions. He was no James Jett. You want to talk about loyalty, TB is the epitome of loyalty. He spent his entire career with the Silver & Black (with the exception of one year at Tampa Bay) and came back to retire a Raider.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
—”Free agent S Gibril Wilson is reportedly seeking a deal worth $5 million annually.
It’s not Bob Sanders money, but the Giants won’t give him that much. Wilson is also thought to be in search of at least $11 million in guarantees. The Eagles and Jaguars are expected to make strong pushes to get him signed.
Feb. 27 – 4:07 p.m. ET”—
Well, then sign him! what holding you back! Give him the money he wants and get on wiht the program. Why wait for the cats or birds get him?
February 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Tim Brown ruled…Al Davis failed him over, and over, and over again, just as he has failed all of us for the past 25 years.
FIRE DAVIS!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Raider dogg dont let the facts ruin a good conspiracy theory.
The woman who designed the ballot for Palm Beach ..Terry La Pont is a democrat …it’s easily googled.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I respect all opinions on football, politics is a different for various reasons.
I don’t see any differences between republicans and democrats, as people they are always asking me to reduce their taxes and if I can without sneaky eyes knowing stretch the truth.
We are all caring and saying “How can I pay less in taxes”
Please all political statements are changed after they leave my office.
Back to the combine, Ryan,Ryanitiss or whatever is the blog talk today.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
LMN – That’s what Im sayin though. S is as much of a priority right now as anything, either FA Wilson will trump Stu and Eugene put together.
Lock it up, Raidahs!
February 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
The Defensive front 4 is the priority… the play of the whole secondary will improve immensely with an upgrade to the front four.
You don’t put the wagon in front of the horse
February 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Maddogg, I see your point and I get it. The problem is that that’s a terrible way to run any business. For crying out loud, you’re paying the guy how much money to do a job, but then you don’t let him do it? That doesn’t make sense. Also, if somebody is doing a good job, making improvements but has a big ego, does that mean that you should fire them? No, if that’s what happens, then the owner is an even bigger egomaniac who is willing to sacrifice success in order to have his ego massaged. I don’t have an MBA, but I’m guessing that’s a bad way to run a business.
February 27th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Draft…cart before the horse for sure. I agree. That’s why we get Rodgers, draft Long or Ellis. Throw a little dough at the safety posistion and we’re gravy. Don’t rule out the trade to ATL for Hall though…It;s got Al Davis written all over it. Reliving the Hayes, Hughes era…
February 27th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Suppose we build up the safety position & defensive line.
With RR still coaching defense, will it make that much difference???
February 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Draft,
Yeah, lets put off signing a safety until we fix the d-line, lol. Hello, there is a quality safety in free agency starting THIS Friday…the quality d-line help may not come until April…but maybe once we draft that d-lineman in April then we will get around to making Wilson an offer, lol…unreal, wouldn’t want to “put the wagon in front of the horse” would we, lol…
February 27th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Hall Is another Moss (or even worse)… Al Davis isn’t stupid….Hall can join Pacman on the stripclub cicuit for all I care.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Dakota
I’m eating lunch, I almost choked, what quality is there at Safety in Fa.
Who? Is Ed Reed Available, Troy Polamalu, Roy Williams, Mike Doss..?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
You don’t get it at all……you’re doing the same thing to the current secondary as you did to Walter.
The talent on the current roster is talented enough to be Playoff calibre with a solid defensive front four.
The Raider secondary to a man is probably better than that of the Giants. However the Giants, with a good defensive line allows their secondary to play to their potential instead of those on the Raiders being hung out to dry by our Defensive line not pressuring the QB or giving up the line of scrimage on running plays.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
i’m starting to like draft beer…
February 27th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Keep up Dogg,
Wilson 92 tackles 4 INTs
Stu 68 tackles 2 INTs
I would call that a major upgrade.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
You know our secondary probably would almost have played just as well with out a front four on running plays…at least those big dummies wouldn’t have been obstrusting their view from getting a bead and a better angle on the backs busting thru.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Not to mention 7 passes defended and 1 fumble…
That’s a huge upgrade..
Looked up the other Wilson (pats), and his production has tapered to half of what it used to be…Injury bug?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Draft,
Are you crazy? Have you ever watched our safeties perform on the field? Even if we have a great front 4, occasionally a RB is going to get into the secondary and our safeties are going to have to make a tackle. Oh, and they have to cover people too (Huff is okay in that area) Why in the world would you not want to upgrade the SS or FS position? We have 26 million in cap room.
And WTF are you talking about mentioning AW? Who talked about him?
Try putting the name of the person you are responding to at the top of your post…this isn’t rocket science.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Sorry, #299 was to Dell, not Dogg…how is that highway fund coming along?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
There has been major execution issues up front no doubt, which HAVE to be addressed. I think we would have gelled more into the year had Kelly stayed healthy, but that’s moot.
That being said, our Safety’s did nothing to step up to the challenge of preventing RBs from advancing through the second stage. Huff was busy with his one assignment, which he did ok at, but contributed nothing to the run. Eugene tackles decent, but takes horrible angles, and stu, well I don’t know…he was a stud at purdue…
FIX EM BOTH!!
February 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
No I’m not crazy ….and I’m not blind either.
How can you expect the secondary to play agressively, and effectively when their team mates in front of them (the first and second line of Defense) are constantly failing to stay in their lanes, fight off blocks, tackle properly or put pressure on the QB.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
tell you what YAll and dakota ….give me a 10 yard head stert to get to full speed and then you try and tackle me.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I feel where you’re coming from. But are you saying Schweigert is an NFL caliber SS? It’s not an expensive postion to fill, and we are doing well financially right now.
Do you think Ryan getting his say on his contract year by switching to his 3-4 would help? Maybe bring in Vilma and Lua..
February 27th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Try back peddling for 4 to 6 seconds trying to cover a WR and break up or intercept the pass.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Dakota
Let me shout out to RaiderDogg, “Hello”
I know of Gabril Wilson and have read the post leading up to my question to you.
So Wilson is that good, why is New York not going to sign him? Please don’t say cap, were talking about New York, they as a franchise earn a boatfull of money, last time I looked they were at the top of Forbes in Revenue dollars, which means they have money to give to keep their top players.
So I ask again besides Wilson who else in Free Agency is worth our dime? Dakota I’m certainly not trying to put you in a corner to defend your statement, just to say there are not very many good safetys in Fa this year.
My personal opinion is they the Raiders are going to place Hiram Eugene in the SS spot, he is bigger and has enough speed to cover the TE.
I could be wrong, but I see no safety out there who can cover the AFC West tight ends and be effective against the run.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The Highway trust fund is right at $300,000 and growing.
I ran out of Kleenex in the office.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Draft,
I am not saying a new safety would fix the d-line or LBs problems, what I am saying is that a new safety might be able to tackle a RB once he has broken through the first two lines of defense. Watch the Viqueens/Raiders game again and tell me that Stu and Huff are capable and sure tacklers…
As to your last post, well, there are quite a few safeties in the NFL that are capable of tackling and covering, they just don’t play for the Raiders.
Here is a link to Pearle Vision…go get your eyes checked, then watch the Viqueens game.
http://www.pearlevision.com
February 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
The Giants have a proven Pass rush and can stop the run at the LOS most of the time. Strahan wants a nice going away present…They will let Wilson walk after his breakout year, he wants more dough..
February 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Dell,
The Giants are trying to keep him, they even came close to franchising him, but in the end they decided to let him test the market. I am not saying Gibril Wilson is great, but he is the best available safety on the market and there are no safeties in the draft that the Raiders will be in a position to draft, right? So, do we want to upgrade the defense or not? He is 26 years old, so it is not like we are signing an aging veteran. But, if you think Hiram is the answer, more power to you brother.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
How stupid of me….My mistake….don’t fix the real problem (front four)…waste money paying for a new player and cut the adequate ones (currently on your roster)just to compensate for the poor play of the ones who should be cut.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
What up RaiderDell! Sorry that I got off topic earlier.
I’m always down with a good conspiracy theory.
You mentioned Mike Doss earlier. Isn’t he a FA? Honestly all I know about the guy is that he’s 5′10″ 205 lbs and he was on the Vikings. Is he any good or at least worth taking a look at?
Where’s OG today?
February 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
“Draft Beer” is clearly Rob Ryan typing during a Black Out Drunk episode.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
This whole media “Raiders are in Chaos” thing must be a big game for Davis and Kiffin:
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/buzz/2008/02/27/kiffin-denies-dancing-avoids-tap-dance-with-al/
February 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Draft, I have to agree with Dakota on this one. Yeah, that position is a tough one. I couldn’t cover those guys and make those hits, but a guy who is in the NFL should. Nobody is arguing that playing the position is tough. What we want is a guy that can tackle and not get pushed around the way Schweigert continuously has. Even Tom Flores (the real one) has commented on Schweigert’s need to step it up.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
A strong case could be made that Wilson is the top safety in an underwhelming unrestricted-free-agent crop.
How much is that worth? Wilson is rumored to be seeking something similar to what Deon Grant got from Seattle last year – a six-year, $30 million contract with $11 million in guarantees. That’s almost identical to what Michael Lewis got from the 49ers last year.
The guy just wants job security…
February 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Draft,
You must be slow or can’t read or something? I am not saying ignore the d-line in favor of the safety position. We have the cap space to sign a safety and still have plenty of room to sign our draft picks and plenty of free agents, including any d-line help we need.
…never mind, you can’t keep up.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Draft -
I think the point is that it’s not one position that will magically cure all. Yes the DLine should be high priority but safety play is a pressing need as well. As you mentioned earlier it all depends on how Free Agency plays out. The answers will be much clearer when April 25th rolls around.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Cruzin,
Did you make that sh!te up? #315?
February 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Cruzin’, thanks for that… I think. Well, at least we have the whole dancing thing cleared up. That was keeping me up at night.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Lane Kiffin didn’t dance.
In other news: The Raiders have announced that Lane kiffin’s wife will be travelling to all away games with Lane and the Raiders in the upcoming 08′-09′ season.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
So Kiffin will address rumors about him dancing…but won’t address rumors about Rob Ryan…or Al Davis wanting him gone?????
Weird.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Lions got S Dwight Smith for 2 years, $5M.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
**Breaking News**
Lane Kiffin won “The Robot” Dance Contest
http://www.littlelostrobot.com/images/robot_shirt.jpg
February 27th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Here is the latest on NFL cuts…any diamonds in the rough?
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3267801
February 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
LOL 322…
Wilson knows he’s the only aquisition worthy of a respectable contract, so he aint down for no 2 yr. 5mil shit, he wants the big bucks.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Not seeing much in there, except the TB linemen…
February 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Interesting question raised by Trippin that could change the whole complex of the D. Switching to the 3-4, Ryan’s preferred defense and possible gift from Davis, would eliminate the need for D line with the first pick. Warren at DE, Sands at DT, and Kelly at the other DE. Stand Burgess up and play him and Clemmons at OLB, with Howard and Morrison in the middle.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Warren at DE is very weak….J-Rich would be better.
Trippin- I know Wilson ain’t down for that weak-ass contract, but Smith would be an upgrade over Schweigy at least.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Has Burgess ever played at OLB before? I wonder if that would make a difference for him. I don’t know if Al would ever allow a 3-4 defense, but you never know… maybe he’ll allow the defense to blitz once in a while too. And Kiffin’s wife will give him a free pass to the bars at night.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I’m ok wityh J-Rich …
Warren’s big body and mobility could occupy 2 linemen and keep the LBs clean.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Burgess @ OLB = attacking the line while standing up instead of with his hand on the ground. I would never expect to drop him into space.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Al would allow a 3-4 defense. It’s all about personnel.
See the years that the Raiders won their Super Bowls and get back to me with the kind of defense that they ran.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Clemon’s natural position is OLB. He’s built for it…6′2″ 250 I think..He is only a situational Pass Rusher anyway. But he excelled in those situations..
I truly feel a switch to the 3-4, a little shuffling, and a Long, Ellis, or dare I say it -workout warrior Gholston, and we’re lookin sharp… Still not sold on Safety..Tom Zibowski wont be there when we need him in the fourth. Neither will Barrett…
February 27th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Can’t help but wonder if Warren at DE will make him look like Sapp of a few years ago when we tried to run a 3-4 with Brayton and Irons at LB. Sapp was largely ineffective in that scheme.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Man, sounds good to me. I’m sold!
February 27th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Maybe with Rob Ryan’s grotesque physique, HE could swallow up some blockers on Defensive Line?
He would probably be better than Sands was last year.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
frickin’ hilarious Dakota.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Chris Long would whoop that turd in shape..We need a fiery leader up front
February 27th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
All Sapp wanted to do was rush the passer.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Be that as it may Jhill, he was playing out of position. I think the same would apply to Warren, if it were to happen.
February 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I’m with ya …
I just think that like Kelly, Warren could play both positions.
SApp didn’t want to dig in and anchor against at T/G combo.
I think Warrens stature just might hold up better.
I could be totally wrong though.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I do agree with you on Kelly though….he can play both positions and still be effective.
For the sake of the team, I hope I’m wrong about Warren too.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Has anyone thought of looking at Javon Walker now that he is going to be released? Rather have Walker despite injury concerns than Hackett or Berrian. Talk about sweet revenge and a monkey on his back playing against the Donkeys twice a year!
POSTED 6:20 p.m. EST, February 27, 2008
WALKER TO BE CUT?
With a $5.4 million roster bonus due on March 4 and no significant progress being made in trade talks, receiver Javon Walker could be cut by the Broncos.
Derrick Gunn of ComcastSportsNet.com in Philadelphia reports that the move could be coming, and likewise reports that the Eagles would be interested in Walker, if/when he’s released.
We previously reported that the Cowboys were working on a trade for Walker.
In 2005, Walker was squawking about getting a new deal in Green Bay at the same time that T.O. was making a fuss about getting paid in Philly.
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February 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
If the price is right I say go for it.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Sapp was a one-gap DT. We never adjusted to his strengths. Oh well…
As for Warren, he’s too cheap to be a block in changing schemes..
February 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Walker with the knee…iffy…There’s a bunch of speedy draft guys.we should peel em up and develop WR, not aquire injured wash ups who want big money…
But we do need some sort of FA WR presence…
February 27th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
ive come with this tid bit earlier in year!! here it coems again!!!the pittbugh steelers perenially ranked in top 5 def, namely a top 3 run def anually,
out of the 16 total starters on defense,
only 6 were drafted in rounds 1-3 !!!!!testament to COACHING COACHING COACHING!!
then the ravens !!anually a top 3 def w/ nolan & ryan last 5 years! out of their 18 starters only 7 were drafted in rounds 1-3 !!!!! GOOD COACHING!!!!
NOW the RORBRYAN LED RAIDERS!! out of their 18 starters, a whole 13 were taken in rounsd 1-3 !! and they are collectively ranked LAST AS A DEFENSE OVER LAST 4 YEARS!!!!! THIS IS ALL ON ROB RYAN!!!so now more proven facts, the raiders have presently and prepared & accomodated this phony FAT RAT BASTARD RYAN!AND THE BEST HE CANM BACK WITH IS THE 31ST RANKED RUN DEF! AND A ” SICKENLY LOW 27 SACKS ” 27 SACKS ??? HOW DO YOU GET 27 SACKS AS ATEAM!!!THIS IS REALLY SOME PORRLY COACHED STUFF GOIN ON !!! AND LAMEO KIFFIN IS TO BLAME ALSO FOR NOT FIRING WHEN HE FIRST STARTED!!AND AL DAVIS FOR HIRING BOTH OF THESE IDIOTS!!!
AL U NEED ME RUNNING THIS TEAM!!!! SO WITH 13 OUT OF 18 STARTERS DRAFTED IN RDS 1-3 HE STILL CANT DO BETTER THEN 31 ST VS RUN & 27 SACKS!!! AND YOU JERKS WANNA GIVE HIM MORE # 1′S THIS YEAR ?? WHAT ARE U CRAZY!!!
NO MORE DRAFT CHOICES FOR HIM!!!MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD STARTS TRADING ALL MY OYUNG MARKETABLE GUYS ON DEFENSE! RITE NOW! FOR A WEALTH IN RETURN!! AND BUILD A OFFENSE THAT CAN SCORE 41 + POINTS A GAME WITH THE NEW PLAYERS!!! REALLY !!!! ALL THESE GUYS ARE GOING
NOWHERE HERE W/ THESE 2 LEMONS RYAN-KIFFY! SO TRADE THEM NOW WHILE THEY HAVE A RETURN!!ANOTHER WOODSON WE CANT AFFORD!! HUFF-HE’S DONE, A SHOULDER/NECK IS DUE HIM IN 08
!! AND U PEOPLE STICK UP & ARGUE WITH US SMART RAIDER FOLK OVER THIS FAT PIG P.O.S. , GO KILL YOURSELFS! RAIDERDELL, MADDEN RAIDER, ANGRY HENDRICKS!!HUFF24 , LMN,ETC!!
all year u blamed the players!!calling them busts & bad palyers !!! GO TO HELL!!!, now you’ll pay!!! i am calling you out!!! everyone of yous’!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I feel ya bro. Ryan’s had a lot of chances..I was bummed that we didn’t follow through on canning his ass..continuity everywhere but the right places on this team…
February 27th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Ryan’s players love him ’cause they can play like crap and they still get praised to high heaven.
February 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Wow talk about self deprication from within…
February 27th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
OOPSS SORRY HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!
ive come with this tid bit earlier in year!! here it coems again!!!the pittbugh steelers perenially ranked in top 5 def, namely a top 3 run def anually,
out of the 16 total starters on defense,
only 6 were drafted in rounds 1-3 !!!!!testament to COACHING COACHING COACHING!!
then the ravens !!anually a top 3 def w/ nolan & ryan last 5 years! out of their 18 starters only 7 were drafted in rounds 1-3 !!!!! GOOD COACHING!!!!
NOW the RORBRYAN LED RAIDERS!! out of their 18 starters, a whole 13 were taken in rounsd 1-3 !! and they are collectively ranked LAST AS A DEFENSE OVER LAST 4 YEARS!!!!! THIS IS ALL ON ROB RYAN!!!so now more proven facts, the raiders have presently and prepared & accomodated this phony FAT RAT BASTARD RYAN!AND THE BEST HE CANM BACK WITH IS THE 31ST RANKED RUN DEF! AND A ” SICKENLY LOW 27 SACKS ” 27 SACKS ??? HOW DO YOU GET 27 SACKS AS ATEAM!!!THIS IS REALLY SOME PORRLY COACHED STUFF GOIN ON !!! AND LAMEO KIFFIN IS TO BLAME ALSO FOR NOT FIRING WHEN HE FIRST STARTED!!AND AL DAVIS FOR HIRING BOTH OF THESE IDIOTS!!!
AL U NEED IS ME RUNNING THIS TEAM!!!!
SO WITH 13 OUT OF 18 STARTERS DRAFTED IN RDS 1-3 HE STILL CANT DO BETTER THEN 31 ST VS RUN & 27 SACKS!!! AND YOU JERKS WANNA GIVE HIM MORE # 1′S THIS YEAR ?? WHAT ARE U CRAZY!!!
NO MORE DRAFT CHOICES FOR HIM!!!
MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD START TRADING ALL MY YOUNG MARKETABLE GUYS ON DEFENSE! RITE NOW!
FOR A WEALTH IN RETURN!! AND BUILD A OFFENSE THAT CAN SCORE 41 + POINTS A GAME WITH THE NEW PLAYERS!!! REALLY !!!!
ALL THESE GUYS ARE GOING
NOWHERE HERE W/ THESE 2 LEMONS RYAN-KIFFY! SO TRADE THEM NOW WHILE THEY HAVE A RETURN!!
ANOTHER WOODSON WE CANT AFFORD!!
HUFF- HE’S DONE,
A 3RD YEAR ” RYANITIS ” VICTIM
A SHOULDER/NECK IS DUE HIM IN 08 or 09 ,
HOWARD- THIS IS HIS 3RD YEAR W/ RYANITIS
MORRISON-DEFINETLY HE’S DUE IN 08-09 FOR 1 YEAR STINT ON D.L.HIM!!! HE IS A 4TH YEAR “RYANITIS” AND ALL THE REST!!LET THEM GO SOMEWHERE ,
IN THE NFC WHERE THEY CAN EXCEL !
AND FULFILL THEIR POTENTAL, AND GO TO THE HALL OF FAME PRO-BOWLS, SUPER BOWLS!!!
ETC THIS RYAN GUY IS ONLY GONNA RUIN THEIR LIVES!!!THIS IS PEOPLE LIVES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
!LOOK @ MOSS, SUPEBOWL,
BOOTHE-TOLEFSON,FRAMPOTN,ALL W/ RINGS!THANKS TO KIFFIN RYAN CUTTING THEM!!THAT WAS GOOD!
MOSES FOUND A HOME AS A DESGINATED PASSRUSHER FOR THE DOLPHINS & PARCELLS SAYS HE WILL GET HIM 15 SACKS THIS YEAR!
NOW THE NEXT GREAT RAIDER CUT / RECLAMATION PROJECT IN REVERSE IS TYLER BRAYTON!!!
YA KNOW THE GUY YOU PEOPLE DONT WANT, WELL DONT WORRY HE’LL BE JUST FINE STARTING @ SDE & WDT FOR THE BRONCOS!!NEXT YEAR
!HE AINT A PROBOWLER , HIS TALENT IS A LITTLE USED UP , BUT HE WILL BE FINE FOR ANOTHER 7-8 YEARS AS A GREAT RUN DEF!!TYPE!! BUT HIS PRESENCE ALONE WILL IMPROVE THE RUN DEF FROM #30 TO # 12 HE’S THAT GOOD VS RUN!!
OF COURSE KIFF-RYAN DONT A SINGLE DIMENSIONAL PLAYER LIKE HIM!!!!
SO ALL IN ALL IF AL DAVIS COULD JSUT DO THE RITE THING & TRADE THESE GREAT PLAYERS TO OTHER HEAD COACHES & DEF CORDINATORS THAT WILL PLAY THEM RITE & APPRECIATE THEM!!! HE’LL GET A GOOD RETURN ON THEM !!
AND HE CAN THEN BUILD A OFFENSIVE MINDED TEAM THAT PUTS UP 41+PONTS , IN ORDER TO WIN BY 2-3 POINTS!! & RYAN THAT WAY RYAN CAN PRACTICE BLOWING LEADS IN LAST 5 MINUTES LIKE HE IS SO GOOD AT !!!
BUT AT LEAST WE’LL KNOW THAT WE DONT HAVE A DEFENSE!& NOT CARE CAUSE THEIR IS NO INVETSMENT THERe
!! AND U PEOPLE STICK UP & ARGUE WITH US SMART RAIDER FOLK OVER THIS FAT PIG P.O.S. , GO KILL YOURSELFS! RAIDERDELL, MADDEN RAIDER, ANGRY HENDRICKS!!HUFF24 , LMN,ETC!!
all year u blamed the players!!calling them busts & bad palyers !!! GO TO HELL!!!, now you’ll pay!!! i am calling you out!!! everyone of yous’!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
HEY ROBRYANS’ LIVER ARE YOU TRYING TO OUT DO ME!??
I STILL PREFER MY “FAT PIG P.O.S.” LOOOOSSSSEERRR!!
SCUMBAG , DYE DEVIL BOY DIE !!! VERSION BETTER
BUT YOURS IS GOOD !!AND AT LEATS IN THE RITE DIRECTION!!
HOW ABOUT ” DRAG HIM OUT OF CIANED TO A BUMPER & HIS WHOLE TRASH FAMILY!!!! HEH !! WHADDAYATHINK!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
DRAG HIM OUT OF TOWN CHAINED TO A BUMPER!! & HIS WHOLE TRASH F’N FAMILY TO!!!! SORRY THIS IS ACCURATE!!!DISREGARD # 357 PLEASE!!
February 27th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
soulpatrol2
You may have something of value to say and be read but the overuse of CAPS on your posts make it hard on older eyes, to the point where I skip over your posts. I’m sorry I didn’t get your message but until you lose the CAPS or use them only to emphasize a word or two, I won’t be able to see your point of view.
By the way, I’m not the only person on this blog who feels this way. It’s really too bad as you might have had something important to know the would have benefited us.
Please control yourself and YOUR CAPS KEY!
February 27th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Soul Patrol you bring up a good point (finally). If teams can throw in guys drafted very late or not drafted at all, and those players excel, it’s either the coaching/scheme OR the personnel people doing a great job or BOTH.
Going with your Shittsburgh breakdown, notice how the very top pix that Colbert and Hughes make, All Pro Casey Hampton lst Round DEFENSIVE LINEMAN, All Pro James Farrior, ILB, and All Pro Troy Polamolu SS, the team is built strong up the middle!!!!! Who the fook do we have up the middle????????
On to Balti-less, where again, They spent 1st rounders on the defensive line, Ray Lewis in the middle is an All Pro first rounder, Suggs their pass rusher is a first rounder, and their All Pro Safety and lock down corner are all lst rounders!! Again, they are built very strong up the middle. Something I have been saying for months on this blog here!!!
Now, let’s look at us: lst off, we don’t have ANY All PRO Players on defense unless I’m missing something. G. Warren was a high pick, but we didn’t draft him. So that leaves Sands, a 7th rounder, Kelly undrafted, Morrison a 3rd rounder playing out of position and Huff a lst rounder, playing out of position as our guys manning the middle. Seems like a serious PERSONNEL PROBLEM TO ME!! Unless I’m missing something. JMHO.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
I can’t wait until the defense plays well in 2008 and all you stat mongering idiots have to choke on your words.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Can this be solved by signing Nnamdi to a long term contract? or is it too late after we tagged him???
BUCS’ CAP BULGE GOES TO $44 MILLION
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers officially have more cap room than Abraham Lincoln.
Our friends at Pewter Report report that the Bucs have cut defensive ends Kevin Carter and Greg Spires.
The move cleared out another $9.2 million in cap space, putting the Bucs a full $44 million under the $116 million salary cap.
One way to use up the current year cap bulge is to use large roster bonuses in lieu of signing bonuses for any free agents that they might sign. If, for example, the Bucs were to sign cornerback Asante Samuel, they could give him a $20 million roster bonus, which would count fully against this year’s cap. In turn, he would have significantly lower cap numbers in future years of the deal.
There’s another potential benefit to such a move. Because the Raiders have applied the exclusive franchise tag to cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, his one-year tender will be based on the average of the five highest-paid corners in 2008. A cap number in excess of $20 million for Samuel would force that number north by $2 million or more.
Given that Bucs coach Jon Gruden and G.M. Bruce Allen used to work for the Raiders, we could see them getting a kick out of sticking it to their former employer in this way
February 27th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
If they don’t draft correctly or pick up key D players, the 2008 defense will be no better than last year. We need two run stuffing DT’s (Like Ellis & Laws), a SSLB (like Briggs or reposition Clemons there) and a SS (from FA or the draft). We need to be able to stuff the middle period. We also need to be able to collapse the pocket from the middle too. If those two skill sets present themselves the D will be in the top 5 of the league. If we don’t make those changes we’ll be in the cellar once again. It’s not a matter of stats. It’s a matter of the right personnel playing in the correct positions correctly.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
hey soul patrol you think you’re all that put a jersey
on punk ! you remind me of a spineless jelly fish all talk and no walk !you want some crackers with that cheese. bet you eat organic crackers
February 27th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Oakglenn…You draft big, you pay big. Thats why Blatimore’s underachieving offense has been a joke for so long. They have so much money invested in paying those first rounders inflated salaries, that their offense remains anemic…
Sands was a horrible choice. Had we known he was gonna park his ass right on top of the salary cap eatin BBQ, we wouldn;t have locked up that horrid contract..
I digress. Drafting Long or Ellis first and paying them good would do wonders for the middle…
February 27th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
With our defensive personell we would be better suited in the 2-5 rather than 3-4 or 4-3. 1st in pass defense 32nd in run defense
February 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Evening people…
Just read an interesting opinion:
”(Matt) Ryan will be a better pro than (JaMarcus) Russell.”
Peter King cnnsi.com
Who´s with Peter?.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
if soulpatrol 2 was a real raider fan there is no way, no way at all you can trash kirk morrison or thomas howard those guys play their a**es off every sunday
February 27th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Under the above scenario, we’d be #1 in pass defense simply because no one would need to pass. They’d get all their necessary yards on the ground – while controlling the clock. This is what happened the year before last. we were rated as the #3 pass defense when in reality we still had a very crappy defense.
We need to be able to stop the run first. Stuff the middle and you control 2/3rds of the field and only 1/3rd is in play. When you control the middle and can collapse the pocket froim the DT positions, sacks go way up and so does your pass defense rating.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Peter also said New England would beat the Giants
February 27th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
JB that was sarcasim.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
JR is reportedly able to throw a ball accurately, while on his knees, 85 yards on the fly. I wonder if he really can do that and then I wonder if Ryan can match that. I don’t think so but I guess we’ll get to see in the upcoming years.
I look forward to the JR years. I’ve been watching Raider QB’s beginning with Daryl Lamonica – the mad bomber. The Stabler years were great and Gannon was a professional. JR is just so different from all that have preceded him that I can only believe he will truly be unique. Only time & coaching will tell.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Marley-
Its got racial slant written all of it. Ryan spent his college days getting paddled in his ass, running naked with marshmallows up his ass, and “bonding” with his frat bros.
Russell drove to every GD QB camp and event to excell at his natural talent. He just got the southern drawl, and is a bit soft spoken. He likes his bling. People are making a character judgement as if Russell is all about the Benjis and Ryan represents this “quinessential white hero” bullcrap.
Fact is, Russell is freakishly gifted, Ryan is not. The Chosen One will prevail…Next.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
RR
I got your point but wanted to take the opportunity to stress again for the umteenth time that we need to focus on the D-line with 2 new DT’s. We’ve gone on too long with nobody in the middle where it really counts. There is no surprise that we can’t stop the run. We had nobody competent to stop the run in the middle including Sapp.
February 27th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
I agree the 2 would be the 2 dt,s we dont have.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Didnt mean to kill this blog
February 27th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Way to go RR!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
What happened to everyone? Yall get jobs lol
February 27th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
I guess theres not much left to discuss that hasnt be talked about before sameo sameo
February 27th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Actually I think everyone just left their jobs. Don’t tell me your wasting your personal time here….
February 27th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
One FA DT, (Odom) + 4th pick DT (Long.Ellis) = more wins!! Getting ran on all day ruins the unity of a defense. Just read an article about Rob Ryan saying we need more accountability and Tommy Kelly…I’m not convinced Kelly is the dude, let him walk and get Antwan…
February 27th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
I waste about 1.5 hrs after work to catch up on the gossip and make an occasional comment. I have no life
February 27th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Oh man, sorry to hear that!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Ryan should hold his players accountable then after all its his job
February 27th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
I was very disappointed to hear that Odom showed up to the combine completely over weight and out of shape. He’s really huge now!!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Thank you Saint
February 27th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
21 Tackles, 1 FF, 7 Passes defended, 8 sacks…Not bad for a DE…
February 27th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Who you talkin about Trippin?
February 27th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Antwan Odom, TEN
February 27th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Trippin you’re exactly right. Getting run on is not only hugely demoralizing, it’s humiliating for the players out there.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
He’s hittin the market on Fri…Best not tamper till then
February 27th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Sorry, typo, didnt mean to list Odom as a DT up there…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
So Odom does’nt = OKAM?
I read it wrong and then typed it wrong!!
That’s funny.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I was wonderin about the heavy combine remark…I’m like for a trench guy, isn’t that the point??!?!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
They said Okam grew to 346 when he showed up in Indy. Playing weight is about 325. If Okam and Sands were in the middle and played HARD for 15-20min per half they could be a force.
That’s alot of meat to run through or around.
Need more looks at Odom. If they dude can tackle then I’m all for it.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Red Bryant is suppose to be a run stuffer Only 17 reps on bench though. you need a strong upper body to keep o-line off of you.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Yalls..
I have to say, when opposing OL´s are busy with VanDen Bosch and Haynesworth it´s hard not to look good or at least produce some numbers.
The 8 sacks will likely get Odom a lot more money than his teammate Randy Starks.
I´d rather take Starks, lees money, still very young (I think he´s 25) once projected as a sure 1st rounder and plays DT, a more pressing need right now.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Tennesse guys are chewed up about him hittin the market. He seems to be valued highly by the fans..There’s another DE on the Titans to test the waters too, but Odom is hands down the aquisition we need..
February 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Bob-
You bring up a good point. Guys are as good as the others around them to an extent. The 7 Passes Defended stat says something about his motor and seeing a play to the end though…
Starks is good, but a little RAW, IMO…
FA is so damn tricky, because you never know who is really just going to bust out the fold out chair and visor once they get paid…
February 27th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
My heart is now set on Chris Long. After watching him at the combine, you can just see the intensity and devotion he has to his profession. I have a feeling that he will become the leader of his defense and raise the level of play of all his teammates simply through sheer tenacity and work ethic. After a couple of years in the NFL he will have the respect of every one of his teammates and his will shall be imposed on everyone around him.
I guess he is my new man-crush…
DRAFT CHRIS LONG! TRADE UP IF YOU HAVE TO AL!
February 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Did you see how stoked he was just to tip that extra chip on the high jump?? Those Stomach to stance drills…The commentators were just laughing at how freaking moto this dude is…
Like I said, maybe he can kick Sands where the sun don’t shine….
February 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Holy crap Dakota!
I take off for 3 weeks and the first night I check in you say THAT!!
I must say, McFadden was very impressive as well.
I sure wish Dorsey was there. He’s still my pick.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Dakota you’re right players always reach their full potential under the genius that is Rob Ryan.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Dakota and Brown in the house, pull up a chair and break out the wine.
I’m going to stay for now.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Saint,
I had to face reality and abandon my McFadden push after the Fargas signing…but, I would still be excited if we got McFadden.
I would be content with Jake Long.
I would be happy with either Ellis or Dorsey, even though I think Dorsey will be much better against the run than Ellis. Ellis, in my mind, will be a poor man’s Warren Sapp that we will have to fortify with a great run-stopping DT somehow.
I would be stoked if we got Chris Long.
We can’t lose…unless Al selects a CB, lol.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I see Soul Patrol, Milkenney, Revenge of Moses, Davis 70,Townsend 93 is acussing a few of us a being Ryan groupies, how annoying is that.
Lucky for me most everyone blows past his crap and reads other posts.
I can’t understand how a ladies man like himself is even blogging, must be a weeknight.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Dakota- My heart isn’t set on C Long, but if he’s available then yes we have to take him.
After researching various DT’s in the league it was surprising to see that both Dorsey & Ellis will be high motor small DT’s compared to Haynseworth and the other top DT’s. It seems to be the best you have to be 6′3 or taller and weigh 320 lbs. Although the DT’s who are 6′ and excel are typically in cover 2 schemes.
I’m afraid either of them will turn out like Patterson, another 6′ DT. Good player but not worth a top 5 pick.
Do we draft DMac and his 4.33 40 and hope his character concerns don’t pop back up or draft C Long if both are available?
Both positions (RB & DE) are set for now, but would be better utilized by a superior player. Long would probably guarantee 12 years of rock solid play while DMac could give Russell a major boost for the next 6 years or until he loses his speed.
After watching the combine I was very impressed with Long as he looked extremely athletic for a DE.
Obviously DMac has the wheels and if a team is willing to send a bounty for the #4 pick, then no way would we trade down.
I’m sure Al has looked several times at trading down, but a man of his cajones wants the world and no one is willing to give it to him. Maybe DMac could give him the opportunity to?
If we could trade down that would be my favorite way to go.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Shoot Mista, I think Chris Long could even persevere through the last year of the Rob Ryan debacle…although I think Howie wants to keep Chris far away from the Raiders.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Soul Patrol wants us dead, I guess?
I’ve been called a lot in my day, but to be told to die over a defensive coordinator, that just sucks.
My feelings are hurt.
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!! AND U PEOPLE STICK UP & ARGUE WITH US SMART RAIDER FOLK OVER THIS FAT PIG P.O.S. , GO KILL YOURSELFS! RAIDERDELL, MADDEN RAIDER, ANGRY HENDRICKS!!HUFF24 , LMN,ETC!!
all year u blamed the players!!calling them busts & bad palyers !!! GO TO HELL!!!, now you’ll pay!!! i am calling you out!!! everyone of yous’!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Dakota
Should I go and kill myself, that would relieve me of this upcoming season.
Who do I will my season tickets to?
I’ll have no life.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Dakota – Here’s Chris Long’s take on being a Raider:
Long, a defensive end from the University of Virginia who could emerge as the No. 1 overall pick in the April 26 draft, was sharp, poised and funny when answering questions.
He talked about the time he had to hide from Raiders owner Al Davis on the car floor when he and his mother visited Howie during training camp when family visitation wasn’t permitted.
“I was young enough to hide on the floor of a car, which means I was pretty young,” Long said.
What would it mean to play for the Raiders, who own the fourth overall pick?
“The same as playing anywhere else, honestly. It would be an opportunity to play in the NFL,” he said. “Obviously there’s so much more to it there.
“I’m not afraid of any situation or any burden with the name. I’ve been dealing with this stuff my whole life. But obviously it will be taken to a new level in a place like that. It’s pressure, but I tend to welcome any pressure with open arms.”
February 27th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Sounds pretty promising to me.. One thing’s for sure. This guy’s malcontention would never effect his game play
February 27th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
it really doesn’t matter who’s at fault kiffin or davis.Who ever coaches the raiders will drown.Al davis is a ridiculous senial old man.He can’t draft only 40 yard dasher track stars.he can’t draft tacklers,and coaches have no power so therefore he has driven the raiders franchise into the wasteland.He was the reason russells holdout lasted and now if kiffin is gone theres another year holding his progression back.Great way to treat the franchise 60 million dollar player mr davis.Im a die hard raider fan but i see no reason for optomism untill a owner change.It’s sickening
February 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Eazy…Back off the ledge, there bro..
ITs all going to be OK. Drink the Kool-Aid, and chill..We’ll get through this
February 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Dakota
The safety you talked about this afternoon doesn’t sound to promising.
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Mike Garafalo, of the Newark Star-Ledger, reports the New York Giants might not bring S Gibril Wilson back to the team. Wilson, who can become an unrestricted free agent Friday, Feb. 29, is looking for a contract that will pay him around $5 million per season. The Giants are unlikely to match what he is looking for, as they would think they are overpaying for a player who is a decent safety but not elite.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
DSM,
I think we take Long over McFadden.
I agree with everything you just said.
Go Lakers.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Dell,
You should at least wait until after tax season to do yourself in…it is the respectable thing to do.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Can’t you have a little faith in the system?
Remember one thing, when Gruden left it was because he wanted to leave. Yes he was traded, but it wasn’t like trading a player. Gruden wanted to go to Tampa.
The coaches who followed in his footsteps have had to deal with everything he knew he was leaving behind, a cash strapped team with old vets and no depth because of horrible drafting.
Obviously Norv & Art weren’t the right hires. Kiffin was a great hire, but apparently is too blunt and probably pissed of Al. But Cable, Knapp, & Lofton could easily run the system set in place.
I want Kiffin, but regardless Al is always going to hire the head coach who is essentially the Offensive Coordinator with higher powers and the DC who will have to listen to his vast knowledge of football throughout the past 60 years.
Jerry Jones hired Jason Garrett prior to the ‘07 season as OC before hiring Wade Philips. Garrett’s been named the next head coach. Al isn’t the only owner who chooses members of the coaching staff.
In two years everyone who has been complaining about Al will be ecstatic at how everything has worked out.
Once the O line is solid and we have two excellent WR’s besides Curry we are going to be awesome on offense. Give Russell a full season as starter and I see big time improvements across the board.
Add to the fact the following players are under 30:
Russell, Miller, Fargas, O’Neal, Curry, Nnamdi, Howard, Morrison, Huff, & Burgess (will be 30 when the season starts).
Two years from now the only player on the list to worry about is Burgess as he’ll be 32. Other than that, most of the young horses on this squad are going to be here for years. Add a few more this year and you are starting to look at a high quality young team.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Dell,
As to Wilson, they did say he was decent didn’t they? I think we only have one arguably decent safety on the roster (Huff), so our choices are 1. overpay for Wilson, 2. draft a safety in a draft where safety is a weak position and forget about one of our other three needs (DT, WR, OT) or 3. stay with Stu.
Not great options. Hard choice isn’t it? Am I missing anything? Maybe Stu can bounce back? Who knows, tough choice…I am just trying to bounce ideas around.
I am excited to see what happens Friday, despite all of the chaos in Oakland, I am optimistic about us signing some decent free agents…not sure why I am optimistic, I just am for some reason…gut feeling I guess.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Dakota
Go Lakers!!
Your post #416 is correct. Good Post.
My point is there are no choices other than some stop gap player, so do we overpay for a player or pay a guy until we find a true SS.
Our division has some of the best tight ends in football, and that probably is a top priority to defend the pass first and defend the run second.
I don’t know of a safety that will be available is better than Huff.
I know Huff is moving to FS, those plans may change.
I’m off to prepare my will, goodnight.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Trippin,
Yeah, I saw those comments from Long. He kind of has to say that right? Can’t really come out and say I would rather not play for the Raiders, otherwise he will take some serious Eli Manning heat wouldn’t he? Those Howie rumors are probably BS anyhow.
Who cares if he wants to be here or not, draft his butt if he is the best player available @ #4.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Dell,
Can I recommend that you also prepare a Living Will and Power of Attorney spelling out your wishes in the event that you fail to finish the job.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
What is going on with Atari Bigby? I haven’t heard anything out of Green Bay as for as him being resigned. He’s a restricted free agent, but he wasn’t drafted and there is no news as to him having specific compensation.
Anyone hear of anything? I would love to sign him as SS and move Huff to FS where he would get his due.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
man it seems as if theres always someone who rolls in here a starts flingin poo on the wall.
it’s not easy to run a football team Eazy. The bottom fell out of an old aged, high priced, veteran loaded team. Yes some coaches were bad but so were the players. The team, albeit probably unintentionally, has been rebuilt. This is a young, talented team with a few (YES A FEW) holes. It needs a couple leaders and a couple of solid role players.
Al Davis is far from senial. He knows exactly whats going on. probably too much. He’s a hard head and he’s set in his ways which pretty much describes every successful powerful individual since the dawn of time. If we have a decent draft and sign some solid FA’s it will not matter if Rob Ryan or Lane Kiffin or Knapp or Cable or Lofton or whoever is coaching. The youth is peaking into solid play. You could see glimpses of it last year. Look at Norv Turner. You are all saying what a bum he is. But somehow having no coaching ability landed him in Hawaii. So does a coach matter?
If your proclaimed bums are making it to the conference championship then coaches don’t matter apparently.
If Turner’s not a bum then Al Davis isn’t hiring bumbling idiots afterall.
If Turner can coach then maybe the problem isn’t the coaching.
BINGO. It was the players and guess what folks? They’re gettin better and they’re young and they are a recipe of only good things to come.
Al may handle things retarded sometimes but he is far from a retard.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Eazy-E,….bingo,…what you said is the truth,..obviously,..I guess I shouldnt use the term “obviously” in here, as most in here are believing in the lunatic..they dream of a great draft pick,..as if that would matter,..Hell he had the number one pick last year and got the guy signed a week into the regular season,..that move really paid off huh?…he hires a coach then castrates him publicly…I bet the great free agents will be lining up come friday ya?…and whoever the old man picks with the 4th pick, well if theres a back exit at the draft, he will take it…strait to Canada,…the point oh blind ones?…as Eazy-E said, until a new regime takes over, its a 3-4 win season, from now on.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Atari is what is termed an “exclusive rights free agent (ERFA)” which means he must accept what the Packers offer or not play in the NFL at all.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Dakota
Consider drafting Ali Highsmith for the SS position. He’s a lightweight OLB, LSU, who is too small for LB in the NFL IMO. He’s played safety before and tackles/hits very well.
Ali Highsmith
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 225 | 40-Time: 4.60
Official Bio
Strengths:
A terrific athlete with very good speed…Fantastic sideline-to-sideline range…Very good tackler…Has fluid hips and does a nice job in coverage…Real active and has a non-stop motor…Versatile with experience at every linebacker position…Pretty productive…Good leader…Solid blitzer and pass rusher…Excellent special teamer.
Weaknesses:
Undersized and doesn’t have the bulk that you look for…A little too aggressive at times…Marginal instincts and he is often late to react…Has trouble taking on and shedding blockers…Needs to get stronger…Will not be an ideal fit for every team.
Notes:
His cousin, Alonzo, is a former standout with the Miami Hurricanes and seven-year NFL veteran…Originally signed with Miami (FL) in ‘03 but he never enrolled due to academic issues…Might be a better athlete than football player…Classic weakside prospect who is equally effective against the run as well as in coverage and could excel in the right situation..Best suited for a scheme like the Colts or Bucs employ.
The only question will be if we can come up with an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick. He probably won’t last longer than that.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
DSM——
YOU ARE THE SMARTEST DUDE ALIVE!
It’s so nice to read something easy on the eyes.
That was the most accurate, educated thing I’ve read in here since I started.
I will rest easier tonight knowing that someone else in this blog has enough common sense and awareness to write a post seeing things for how they really are.
thank you
February 27th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
2sense,…your either an idiot, or purposely stupid…nice point that Norv wasnt a bum after all,…oh, and Moss wasnt a bum after all,…oh, and Shanahan wasnt a bum after all,…Gruden,..and on and on and on,..get the point now 2sense?…Al has destroyed his team,..and will continue to,…but you keep the company line goin,..if that makes you feel better.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Thanks for the info Dakota.
I want Huff at FS, but we can’t move him there until we have some one good enough to cover TE’s.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
DSM,…once again you are wrong,..you have been making a habit of that…Gruden didnt want to go to Tampa,..he simply wanted out of Oakland,..it wasnt Tampa,.it was anywhere but Oakland.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Alameda-
don’t even criticize the hold out. dude, Al did exactly what he had to. only the incompetent owners would give JR that money and not hold him accountable for it. Its bad enough that he is making 30 mil without taking a snap let alone if he decides he just doesn’t feel like playing his agent wants him to still get paid. Yeah thats how his agent wanted it. don’t be an idiot. you should be applauding al davis for that as are many owners throughout the league.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Hey troll, check out this article:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0218/1335853.html
Gruden wanted out and wanted to go to Tampa Bay. He knew where his team was headed and he knew he would be fired once his already old team got older with no depth.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
JB,
That sounds good, but like you said, we don’t have the picks do we? I guess it depends on how we want to spend our 4th rounder: safety? Center? WR?
Depending on free agency of course, I think we will go DT rd 1, OT rd2, or
DE rd1, DT rd2, or
RB rd 1, DT rd2
So how do we use our 4th rounder? Personally, I think Center would be the best value in round 4, deep class, but the lesser need between C, S, and WR. But the safety you pick in rd 4 probably won’t make the team because the class is that weak, and the WR you pick in round 4 will also not contribute year 1 or maybe even year 2…
We need more picks! I doubt Al trades the #4 pick, it would be unprecedented for him, so can we squeeze a 4th rounder out of AW, Rhodes, or LJ? If we draft Chris Long after re-signing Clemens do we then trade Burgess for a 3rd rounder? So many possibilities and I am probably missing 99% of them!
February 27th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
whatever, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA
February 27th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
2sense,…Davis had since february to negotiate with him,…by the way, it was Davis who caved in,..Russell got exactly what he demanded from day one,..not a penny less,..so all that Davis got was a wasted year for Russell,…dont be a fool 2sense.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Dakota- How about Justin Forsett with our 4th round pick? He’s another B Westbrook. Both similar height, weight, & speed.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
DSM,..I wont bother with that link,..as I never believe anything espn spews,..but you go ahead.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
alemeda-
so according to you, if this stuff with kiffin never surfaced then we’d still be a 3-4 win team for the next “however many” years.
what the hell are you so upset about then. and why is this news now? exactly what year did al davis become such an idiot to you?
was it the year after they dealt gruden? an then you gagged on your words all season until the got whooped in the SB only for you to change your tune again.
Tell me then, exactly when did al davis turn into this poster child for incompetence?
February 27th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
theres 3 scenarios
first: 1 round vernong gholston , 2 round best availabe
second: 1 round DMAC 2 round DT the best availabe
third: Dorsey or Ellis in the 1 and then the best WR or OL that fits the system (probably baker)
February 27th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
DSM,…how about a link for Bruce allens exit out of Oakland to Tampa to be with Gruden?..did Allen want to get to Tampa too?..nope, just out of Oakland
February 27th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
DSM,
If we knew he would be another Westbrook we certainly should pick him in the 4th.
However, do we really need another RB? My view on McFadden is based on his potential to be a great NFL RB, that is why I would love to see him running for the Raiders, but once you get past him, I don’t think the Raiders will consider any of the other RBs since we already have Rhodes, Bush and Fargas on the roster for next year, right? If we had 3rd and 5th rounders he would be a great player to take a flyer on based on potential. What do you think DSM?
February 27th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
My 3 scenarios:
1: DMac, round 2 best DT available
2: C Long, ” ”
3: Trade down
February 27th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
chris johnson and dexter jackson have al davis written all over them, and also dante hall asking for a trade so……… watch out for that one
February 27th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Daniel,
I agree with your scenario, but I see you don’t think Chris Long is a possibility…is it because you don’t think he would be a good fit, or do you simply think he will be gone by #4?
February 27th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
i dont want chris long, i know he is a high motor guy that can play inside outside, but i think hes living up to his potential, i dont think hes gonna get better
February 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
i think hell be gone too, i dont want to pay a smaller kerney
February 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Dakota:
I’m not saying we would need another back, but if we could pick a solid player who’ll spell Fargas in a year or two with a player drafted in the 4th I would be very happy.
Forsett has very good hands something Fargas lacks. A combo of Bush & Forsett could provide a lineup for several years.
DMac is simply the best player available if we have a chance at him. His speed could easily be utilized.
Like every draft I assume we’ll make some trades to pick up some extra picks so hopefully we’ll land a C like Sullivan and a LT like Benedict.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
vernon gholston is more of a game changer, and we need him , hes more explosive and has the most upside in the draft i think
February 27th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
So what we have here is a maddenraider clone or is maddenraider…it doesnt matter..the story is always everything is Als fault..these two guys are the dudley do right of the world..all problems lead to the fault of one man…they have only facts of the media and their own opinion…but they are always right..and know all…they were booted off raiders.net and here they are..same boring sport it’s Als fault..over and over again..even a rerun is not as boring as these bozos…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
2sense,…I dont consider this Kiffin stuff to really be a big deal,..its just the latest episode of a man ruining what was once a proud organization,…Im not sure if you even follow whats going on with the Raiders,..maybe you are just a casual fan,..I go to all the games,…a couple away games a year…I follow this crap pretty closely…the truth is a real bummer for us all,…the team is completely at the mercy of a dictator who likely has no desire to win anymore,…probably searching for a reason to get back into court with the city/county..maybe the league again…are you telling me you didnt consider the hiring of Kiffin a joke?…Jesus H Christ the kid wasnt even up for a division 2 college gig,..he was Pete Carrolls errand boy,..he didnt run the O at USC at all…recruiter/coffee boy…and not even the main recruiter…try and step back and look at the situation from the outside,..you will get the picture,…and Russells future?…his first 5 years he will go through 3 head coaches at least,..maybe 5 OC`s…he will bank a boatload of bread, then get the Hell out as soon as he can,…hang in there bud.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
we can trade with the jets at #6 for a 4th, i dont think they will give us a 3rd for 2 spots, impossible, and the grab gholston, the jets want DMAC , altought i want him too but gholston is like the same as DMAC but playing Defense.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Jets trade #6 pick and a 4th rd, for our 4 th pick
February 27th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
DSM,
I like the way you think DSM…I always knew Lakers’ fans were intelligent (I thought you said you were a Lakers fan at some point didn’t you?).
Suns lost again.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
or maybe jonathan vilma , the 6th pick, a 4th and a 7th rounder, for our 4th pick and derrick burgess
I think they have to throw a 7th rounder because of vilma injury last year
February 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Dakota
I’m not as enamored with Chris long as you are. Sure he’s good/great against college level play but I don’t think that’s going to carryover as well in the pros. He’s a little on the light side IMO.
As far as my choice for picks, my first two, assuming they are available, are DT Ellis & DT Laws. Yes, TWO DT’s. We’ve already got a stable full of DE’s and our problem is in the middle.
With regards to our future OLT: Tom Cable said that 2/3rds of the draft prospects won’t fit our system. I don’t think Long is in that 1/3rd. More than likely we’ll be able to find Cable’s choice in the later rounds, maybe the 4th round.
I’d not be adverse to trade Burgess for a late second or early third pick. Maybe we could use that pick for Highsmith to fill the safety void. I’d also use a later pick for a DE to develop and would consider moving Clemons to SSLB.
That new starting line-up would give us:
Richardson, Ellis, Laws, Kelley
Clemons, Morrison, Howard
Routt, Asomugha, Huff, Highsmith
I don’t think you’d be able to run on this group. Pass either as far as that goes.
As far a the center goes, we’ve got some prospects on the practice squad. They may work out or not. I use the 5th, 2-6th round picks for the best available C, WR, DE.
Well, there you have it, my take on the upcoming draft. Of course, FA can alter that a lot so we’ll just have to wait and see. I’d love to get Briggs and leave Clemons at DE. A #1 WR would also be helpful too.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
alameda-
It wasn’t the amount of money idiot. They wanted it as an option bonus. You probably don’t even know what that is. They restructured it and JR is getting the money (actually more money than they originally wanted) in incentive and roster bonuses which makes him accountable.
dude get a clue. youre embarrassing yourself.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Dakota- I like the way you think as well. It seems we are on the same page for the most part.
And yes, a diehard Lakers fan who was happy to see the fat Shaq leave. Bynum, Odom, Gasol, Farmer, & Kobe will lead this team to great heights for several years.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
2sense- stay away from the troll, it’s pointless.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
JB I agree with you, i dont think chris long is going to be that good, my choices are DMAC or gholston and then LAWS
February 27th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
ok that would be, gholston Kelly Laws and burgess, now let me tell you that is kind of scary
February 27th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
but i would say trade burgess for vilma and their 6th or 7 th rounder because of vilmas knee last year and plug richardson in there
February 27th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
We should try to get R. Williams (SS from Dallas) and their tw first round picks, then put Huff at FS. Jerry Jones would probably do it too because Williams is on the trae block (i’ve heard) and it is widley known that JJ wants Mcfadden bad. But Al Davis will probably not trade down. I have to admit though, if we were to get Mcfadden, I wouldn’t complain.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
an ALL OSU starting DE
February 27th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
sorry about the typos, I was typing fast.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
i would say marcus spears DT , not R williams and their 2 1st
February 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
2sense,..Russell got what he wanted and the Raiders got a wasted year,…Davis didnt gain a thing,…you are incorrect about the points of the contract,..not even close,..nice try at guessing/bluffing though,…Davis wanted to be able to void contract for performence issues,..as in if hes a bust,..you can spin it anyway you like,..Davis called Russells agents bluff from February on, and failed…as you just did with your lack of Raider knowledge.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
2sense its Als fault when the sun comes out…global warming..cold nites…plumbing problems..media problems..they live for Als faults..its all they say..
February 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
that would work too. -Daniel
February 27th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Have a nice night everyone,..keep drinking that Kool-Aid!!!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
1st gholston
trade our 2nd for a lower 2nd and a third, like to chicago, they have two 3rnd and they will probably be interested in flacco or henne whos stock is going up and pick Baker or the best OL availabe to play LT
with that 3rd pick take marcus harrison Run stuffer arkansas
4th pick dexter jackson WR
6th pick the best S or DB availabre
th pick the best DL available
February 27th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
thaths the move, the 2 rounder, not the 1st, move between the 40-50 and grab a 3rd round in the process
February 27th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
JB,
I am probably a little biased in favor of Chris Long because Howie is my all-time favorite Raider, but I think your worries about his size are unfounded.
Here is a re-post where I addressed Long’s size issues:
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Scottish,
I am not trying to disrespect you or start an argument, you know I respect your opinions, but I think your comment on Chris Long being a tweener and being better suited for DE in a 3-4 defense (post 134) is incorrect.
Chris Long is 6′3″ 272, here are some other NFL DEs, I am not sure, but I don’t think they all play in a 3-4 defense and here are their heights and weights:
Jared Allen 6-6 270
Dwight Freeney 6-1 268
Jevon Kearse 6-4 265
Justin Smith 6-4 275
Michael Strahan 6-5 255
Most of these guys play in a four man front don’t they? Chris Long’s numbers add up when compared to them right?
Also, here is an article that claims Chris Long would be a bad fit as a DE in a 3-4, but a good fit in a 4-3:
http://nyj.scout.com/2/731453.html
I am just not sure where you are getting the impression that Chris Long can’t play DE in our 4-3. Mayock said he would be best suited for OLB in a 3-4, but that does not mean he can’t play DE in a 4-3 does it?
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Did I change your mind on Long, lol, it is alwyas hard to change someone’s mind, but you have to try right?
February 27th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
alameda-
whatever dude. thats why i asked. when was it that you decided that Al Davis went from the master mind of a proud organization to someone who neglects winning as a priority? back it up.
You just gave me some mumbo jumbo about kiffin’s history. Youre just the type that whines about something to be whiney about. is it the players, the front office, the coaching, the drafting? what? back it up.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
dakota, he is all hyped because of his dad and his play in college, that does not translate to a probowl player or even a sloid polayer in the NFL, i dont think hes gonna be better than he already is.
Im on the gholston bandwagon, get on it!! lol….
February 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
alameda-
youre wrong on the contract. it was in a press conference. im done with you. youre an idiot and are wasting my time.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Vernon looked good too…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
ok who would u rather have dakota, Patrick kerney justin smith combo, or shwan merriman demarcus ware combo, thats chris long and vernon
February 27th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Dakota
Good try but I remain unconvinced. I can understand your attitude towards Howie. He was the real deal. I’ll compromise and suggest that you believe what Howie has to say. He said Chris is good but #2 son is the real mauler of the family. I think that’s the one we should go after instead of Chris. I’ll try to find out more about him but in the meanwhile it’s really got to be Ellis or Dorsey 1st.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
kerney vs ware
February 27th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Stop saying we have to trade burgess. He is in his contract year, that means he have to put decent number this year to make big bucks for the next year FA. So count on Burgess to be a force at DE this year. So Draft 1-DT (Dorsey) or DE (Long), 2-OL (Baker), 4-DT (Okam), 6-SS (Barrett) and 7-WR (Monk)
February 27th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Maybe we should trade away next years first so we can get Vernon Gholston along with Ellis or Dorsey. I’d pick Gholston over C. Long. Just my sense about who’s got more upside.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
so every time a player is in ihis contract year his going to have a pro bowl season? he was injured, we can expect more of the same, he is getting older not younger, and if we can pick vilma for him and a 7thr rounder and then grab Gohlston , that would be awesome
February 27th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Are we running the 4-3 or the 3-4? Ware/Merriman are 3-4 players whereas Kerney and Smith are 4-3 DEs right? So, since we run the 4-3 I guess I would have to go with Kerney and Smith.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
JB im with you, but what makes you think someone would do that, i mena we would need the 6th pick or better to bring them both, its almost impossible, but i like it , lol….. gholston , then the best OL and then the best Dline, bring gibril wilson and we have ourselves a defense!!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
all the scouting reports i read have gholston being a liability against the run. Not too sure if he’s the direction we should be going in.
i’ve read that campbell is just a freak giant and balmer is pretty good at clogging things up. maybe lingering around the early second.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
yeah but hholston can play the 4-3 too, and better i think
February 27th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Ware and Merriman are OLBs in a 3-4 defense…
February 27th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
i am talking about one against one, you want a game changer, you saw the tape, gholston has the quickest first step in the nation or draft, he can play the 4-3 , very well actrually
February 27th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
the best option there shoul be trade with dallas, and have balmer at #22 and then campbell at #28, that would fill 2 needs, awesome, and the could give us R williams then, defense or problem sollved
February 27th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
He will not be a superman because he is in his contract year, but if you look closely at the number, how many players put good number in their contract year? (ie Haynesworth, Willians, Odom…)
I think even if the players say it doesn t count, i am sure they think about it. Look at Sand before he gets the money and after he gets it (even if it was not his contract year, he had a poor contract, now he have a big one)
February 27th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Dakota
This is who I was talking about:
Kyle Long
Offensive tackle
Charlottesville (VA) St. Anne’s-Belfield
Ht: 6-foot-7
Wt: 280 lbs
Forty: 5 secs
Bench max: 310 pounds
GPA: 2.9
Class: 2008 (High School)
This, as Howie put it, is the real mauler of the family. Just imagine what he’ll be like in three years.
He can probably kick his big brother’s butt right now!
February 27th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
night
February 27th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Glenn Dorsey 6’1, 310lbs
Sed Ellis 6’ 7/8”, 308lbs
Laws 6’ 7/8”, 297lbs
Do those numbers concern anyone other than me? The great DTs in the NFL are usually a lot bigger that these guys aren’t they?
February 27th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Sorry JB, looks like we will never have the chance to go after Kyle, he chose baseball over football:
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/117191
February 27th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
night all
February 27th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Dakota
Good find. The news is a bummer to us football fanatics. Baseball – ho humm, boring. He looked like he’d be a great prospect though. He was rated as the #1 OLT in the country as a college prospect and could also be a #1 DE/DT. Wouldn’t that be a pick?
Oh well, maybe he’ll come to his senses and change his mind about football.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Dakota
Do those numbers concern anyone other than me? The great DTs in the NFL are usually a lot bigger that these guys aren’t they?
Granted they tend to be 2-3″ taller but that’s ok. Being lower, they’ll be able to get better/quicker leverage on their opponent. That translates to defeating your opponent. Ellis is said to have one weakness when he rushes too tall. The opponent can get leverage on him. It’s all a game of angles and strength. The shorter frame could be an advantage. Convinced yet? LOL
February 27th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Guess everybody went home. Turning out the lights now. Night all.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I dont give a crap how tall the guy is…what a lot of us are missing is the intangibles part. Im not trying to sound all Football 101 but the combine has everyone looking at numbers, which aren’t all of it. Is the guy a winner? Did he win in college, high school? How has his progress grown up to this point? Is he a leader, playmaker?
February 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Dakota…post 491
I´m concerned too.
Are we looking at slightly upgraded versions of former LSU Tiger Anthony ”Booger” McFarland and USC Trojan Mike Patterson?.
Booger is 6′0 300 and Patterson is 6′0 292.
Booger was drafted to tandem with and later succeed Warren Sapp and they used to call Patterson baby Sapp in College.
Booger has had a fine carreer and Patterson is good player too, but McFarland was the 15th pick and Mike was 31st.
Laws at 34th I have no problem with, but Dorsey-Ellis at 4th? I´d say no, if we want D give me Gholston, Long I don´t mention, we won´t even sniff him.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
The team needs an injury free, 1st round, instant defensive starter
February 27th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
And I´m not just looking at the numbers, I´m looking at what the best DT´s in the league have in common, and that´s massive size.
I would not be upset if we take one of them, at the very least we get a very decent player at a need position and what Farrell just said, those guys are gonna leave everything on the field, no stealing money there.
Still 2 months left…get Rogers and Jenkins!..at least Jenkins.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Farrell makes another good point…
The words stress fracture, right tibia…should not be associated with the 4th pick and a contract worth 20 million in guaranteed money.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Have a good night.
February 27th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
the fact of the matter is the raiders are a proud organization their not the arizona cadinals.So as season ticket holders are you proud of spending all that money to see al davis screw the team up year after year?Davis was a genious back in the 70’s and 80’s he needs to give it up.In the last 7-8 years i can say only 2 great players were picked up rich gannon,namdi.I don’t understand why so many people back him up and agree with him.I get tired year after year with optimism and good players on paper and the same losing seasons happen.Proud organiztions get better the cowboys,steelers have 5 rings and their still trying to win and play competitive football.Davis is just bringing them down to mediocrity.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
if you had just a minute to breathe,
and they granted you one final wish,
would you ask for something,
like another chance
February 28th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Eazy E,
Rockin non stop on the radio…
Davis was a genius in the ’70s because he let other people build his teams, and when I say other people, I mean heavyweights of their time, such as John Madden, Charlie Sumner, Ron Wolf, and plenty of others. These guys were no joke.
Today, Davis can’t get heavyweight personnel guys and coaches to even work for him, anymore. Even if he wanted to sign a real GM anymore, I don’t think one would come here. Look at Lane Kiffin. He’s already got his life boat ready, after one year.
Now watch, Marley is going to wake back up and try and debunk what I just said by saying that those guys were nobodies that Al was generous enough to give an opportunity to…But I think our record then, in contrast to our record today, speaks for itself.
There is no end to the Davis shills’ spin. They will spin, and spin, and spin, and spin, and spin to make Davis look good while making those who really built our great teams look like overachievers. It’s their mission statement. And this is because they’re not Raider fans. They’re Al Davis fans. If Al Davis sold the Raiders and bought the 49ers, they’d be niner fans. While people like you, me, and the tens of thousands of other fans who grew up on either the Oakland or LA Raiders, in their good days, would still be right here, rooting for the silver and black. Rooting for the OAKLAND Raiders. Because that’s what we are, Oakland Raider fans. Not Al Davis fans.
Al created the Raiders? Indeed he did. In fact, you could say that the Raiders are his son. So, if a guy across the street from me is neglecting his son, and his son is starving from malnutrition, do I support it? Do I cheer it on?
February 28th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Alameda Insider, big props to you, too. I’m just sitting back reading a lot of your stuff. It’s good to see that a lot more fans that are sick of Davis’s poor management are starting to show up here. No doubt, Bob Marley, THE RESIDENT AL DAVIS SHILL AT THIS BLOG, who’s primary technique is to discredit Davis critics by looking for any contradictions in their past posts (all whilst letting the contradictions of Davis shills go unchecked), has a following, here. The other Davis shills have sort of looked to him to debunk Davis’s critics, where they will then jump on the pile. But it looks like the numbers are starting to even up, here, and Marley’s sleazy style of defending Davis under the guise of being some sort of a self deputized moderator, could be approaching it’s sunset. And, make no mistake, when Marley goes, so will Oakglenn and the rest of his mindless followers. What would they be without him? After all, Marley said himself, if it wasn’t for him they wouldn’t even know who I was. What does that tell you about THEM? And, they weren’t even insulted! They cheered him on! HE basically said that they’re incapable of spotting and handling an Al critic. Without Marley there to wind up dolts like Oakglenn and point them in a direction, they will eventually go right over the table.
AlamedaInsider and Eazy E, keep em coming. Believe me, we’re not alone. Oh, and wait till Kiffin/Davis finally comes to a head (could be before this season?) This place will be overran with Raider fans fed up with Davis. In the meantime, let’s continue to soldier on through this muck of Davis protectionism. It’s dark and ugly in here, but we know we have right on our side.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:56 am
# The Troll Revealer Says:
February 27th, 2008 at 10:42 am
“Alameda Insider = MaddenRaider
Just thought some of you might like to know this little tidbit of information…”
………
I thank you for the compliment! But I could only wish…
If you read Alameda Insider’s comments, you’ll see that he goes much further in depth than I do. I stay on the surface (since there’s so much there as it is). Alameda Insider, on the other hand, just may be what his screen name says, an Alameda Insider. He knows his stuff, and he’s running this blog right now. Watching you guys try and debunk him is pathetic. And accusing him of being me is not going to get it done. He’s got an extensive knowledge of contract situations that sets him apart from me, and it would be transparent to anyone paying attention. But I can see why you’d rather take the easy way out and just assume him to be me. It’s easier than embarrassing yourself by trying to debate his points head on.
February 28th, 2008 at 1:17 am
YO SOULPATROL2!!!1
If you want me dead, you better come do it yourself, because i’m way too lazy doing it myself!
You could take your alter ego with you, I bet DAVIS70 would love to get out of your head =)
February 28th, 2008 at 1:57 am
My prediction:
The Raiders draft Vernon Gholston in the first round and he saves the Raider franchise by bodyslamming Al Davis at the negotiation table.
February 28th, 2008 at 2:21 am
OH HEY FINALLY ” THE RORBRYAN “POST# 361 EVERYONE!
OH I AM NOT SAYING I CAN STILL PLAY , WHAT I AM SAYING FOR 2-1/2 YRS NOW, IS THAT YOU’RE INEPT, MENTALLY INVALID, YOU ARE EITHER SABATOGING THE DEFENSE FOR THE NFL,PATRIOTS,ECT- MEANING YOU’RE A SCUMBAG!! OR YOO ARE JUST REALLY REALLY THIS FU”K’N STUPID!!!!
EITHER WAY I WANT U & YOUR F’N FAMLY OUT OF TOWN!!!O.K
HEY ANY TIME ANY PLACE MO”"ER F’CK R JUST LET ME KNOW WHERE YOU ARE RITE NOW I WILL DESTROY YOU!!! THIS WILL MAKE ME HAPPY , I JUST KICK YOUR ASS I WILL BEAT INTO GROUND!! ANYONE WHO BULLIES A 75+ OLD MAN INOT KEEPING HIM EMPLOYED DESERVES TO BEAT WITHIN INCHES OF THEIR LIFE!!!! YOU GOT ME LOOOOSSSERRR!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 am
what a sad existence…
February 28th, 2008 at 2:36 am
CopenhagenFan…
I have no problem with him. In fact the top 10 players only if we pick Matt Ryan would i get mad.
Long, Ellis, Dorsey, Gholston would all be nice additions to our D
February 28th, 2008 at 3:04 am
ya know to bad we dont have a big, young,
run defending END , we can plug in for under 1.5mill a year,that is what we need!!!
ya know , to bad we dont have a great young talented FREE SAFETY,6-1-200 @4.30/40 w/ instincts,and always around the ball,coming out this year ! cause we really need that!!!
ya know, to bad we didnt draft any good OLBRS IN LAST 5 YEARS!!,
it would be good if we’d have # 1, #2 & 2- # 3’s as starters!!! instead of all these retreads we are stuck with!
also when are we gonna bring in any good free agent finds!! like a pass rusher waiting to happen!
!that iS what AL DAVIS is know for! those GREAT FINDS!!
well why cant he just draft a MLBR in 6th round & in 2 years turn him into a inside force as A PASS RUSHER!
I MEAN ALSO why cant we have 3 good un-sung def linemen that play well vs run!
and came @ reasonable expense?? !? like a 1st rd talent that slipped , due to a bad combine,& we bag him in 6th rd! or a great undrafted def linemen from a small school,that slipped due to also a bad combine!
NO WONDER WHY RYAN SUCKS !!! 2 SENSE IS RITE!!! AL DAVIS NEVER TRIED ANY OF THE ABOVE !!
WELL AL BETTER JUST BE MORE PATIENT WITH THIS GENIOUS ROBRYAN!!
OK THIS IS HIS 5TH YEAR! HE NEEDS AT LEAST
ANOTHER 5 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE WANTS TO RUN 2 3-4 OR A 4-3 ” 2 SENSE ” YOU WERE RITE !! WE DONT HAVE ANY OF THE ABOVE PLAYERS YET , DO WE ???? HEY WAIT !!! A SECOND!!!! LOOK AT THE NEXT POST COMING!!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:09 am
La Milicia Negra I’ve got a mancrush on Gholston. I just feel he will be a disruptive force who actually makes plays!
We have no playmakers at all.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:11 am
I’m not that keen on giving up the 4th pick in the draft for him but I have a feeling that neither Elis nor Dorsey will not pan out in a way that Gholston does.
February 28th, 2008 at 3:18 am
OH HEY 2 SENSE!!!! i just realized something!we already have all these moves done & presenly on our roster!!! so what is the problem why dont we have a top 5 ranked defense yet???????????hey you ryan as”ol”S !!! whats the problem ya wnat another 5 years of insanity!!!!! MIKE HUFF @S.S.!! BURGESS @ S.D.E.! MORRISON @MLBR! NHAMDI@ WEAK CORNER! 6-2-210 !!! FABIAN AS A RUN SUPPORTING CORNER @ WHOLE 185LBS!! OH YEAH!!!
THE DEF END- THAT IS TYLER BRAYTON! , THE FREE SAFTEY IS MIKE HUFF! , ALL OUR LBRS ARE HIGH DRAFTEES,THAT WERE HIGHLY REAGRDED COMING OUT! THAT ARE PRESENTLY
” UNDER ACHIEVING”"”
DERRICK BURGESS WAS A GREAT FIND BY AL DAVIS , THEN ROBRYAN SAID I’LL FIX THAT ! LEST PLAY EVERY DOWN VS THE RUN ON STRONG SIDE OF BALL!!!! THAT OUTA SLOW HIM DOWN!!!! AND IT HAS!!!
TOMMY KELLY,ANTAJ HAWTHORNE,SANDS,HUNTLEY,RIDDLE,ETC ALL THSE GUYS WERE TAKEN LATE OR AS U.D. FREE AGENTS,
AND ALL SHOWED THEY CAN EXCEL @ NFL LEVEL ! TILL ROBRYAN GOT HIS HOOKS INTO THEM!!! NOW THEY ARE EITHER CUTS IN SEPT ! SO THAT WAY THEY MISS A WHOLE YEAR!! OR THER ARE ON THE D.L. CAUSE OF BEING RIDDEN INTO THE GROUND BY LACK OF COACHING!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 3:47 am
CopenhagenFan…
I totally understand you, after watching Chris Long’s athleticism at the combine – WOW – I mean he didn’t put a foot down wrong! But Gholston is a split pubic hair away from Chrissy!
I would love, Long/Ellis/Gholston. Dorsey slides fast down in my book. I hope Matt Ryan has a great pro-day
February 28th, 2008 at 5:53 am
That picture of Davis on the front page creeps me out!
February 28th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Kirk the one where he looks like Grandpa Evil Ghoulish Pimp ?
February 28th, 2008 at 5:58 am
LMN ….Matt Ryan threw 19 picks last year ! He has a rag arm and seems like a Marijuanavich type pysically …….I don’t see the basis of the hype!
Peter King is a delusional creep when he claims that Ryan will be better than JaMoney. Not that I think JaMoney is all that great….
February 28th, 2008 at 6:04 am
I’ll take Gholston. He’ll be another Strahan! He’s a monster and has speed.
http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-01-FB-
February 28th, 2008 at 6:16 am
C Fan, yes. They took it down now.
Davis looked like he just drank the virgin’s blood.
February 28th, 2008 at 6:22 am
defensive end is a high dollar position…
defensive tackle is not…
if we have to spend #4 money on a player…
it needs to be a high dollar position…
high dollar positions:
cornerback
linebacker
defensive end
quarterback
proven running back
proven wide receiver
left tackle
February 28th, 2008 at 6:24 am
forgot to finish the above post…
if chrsi long is there… must must must take him…
if not… vernon gholston…
yeah, baby…
now that’s silver and black…
all day long…
and into the night…
February 28th, 2008 at 6:30 am
so….
1st round: defensive end (and only because it would be Long or Gholston, otherwise, i would probably go with J Long, OT)
2nd round: best defensive tackle
4th round: best available middle linebacker
6th round: best available lineman (either side of the ball
7th round: maria sharapova
February 28th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Can we trade a 1st next year and maybe dominique rhodes.To some team to maybe get cromartie late round 1 gholston early round 1
February 28th, 2008 at 7:10 am
dream scenario:
Raider Nation, we are a few hours to start the free agency and a couple of months to the draft:
so this is my what i hope for the raiders:
1.- Sign Gibril Wilson SS NY Giants
2.- Sign Bernard Berrian
3.- Sign some offensive tackle (if we do the first 2 things Im more than happy.
In this case we can go to the draft in this way:
1st Pick Sign C.Long/V Gholston
2d Sign Laws/Okam or even D. Connor if available (and go for a DT in the 4th
If we dont sign any ofensive tackle via free agency our draft needs to be:
1st Pick G. Dorsey/S Ellis
2d Pick S Baker
February 28th, 2008 at 7:14 am
What is up with Fabian i heard they were talking trade with the Vikings.Dont know for who
February 28th, 2008 at 7:14 am
all of a sudden everyone’s on the gholston bandwagon. half of the scouting reports classify him as a liability against the run and the other half say he can play both.
hmm who to believe.
I can tell you this. my man is on some serious roids. in the next two years he’s gonna be watchin from the sidelines suspended for substance abuse.
I’m no idiot. i know football players are huge but this dudes veins show he belongs in the WWE. he must be lifting buddies with Triple H.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/story/2008/2/25/132642/691
February 28th, 2008 at 7:18 am
2 post a day that is all i have time for
February 28th, 2008 at 7:20 am
1 more if merriman can do it and get away with it so can he
February 28th, 2008 at 7:28 am
CopenhagenFan…
thats possible, all i’m saying it can’t hurt us if he plays good – and it was a joke that i suggested us picking a QB, havent heard of a team picking top QBs in 2 years in a row =)
February 28th, 2008 at 7:33 am
WAKE UP RAIDER NATION! It is a big day for the Raiders, starting at 10pm MST…I expect big things from Al Davis, he always manages to sign free agents, even when we are seemingly over the cap, so he should be able to land some players with $20 mill under the cap right? That is, if the “money talks” theory is correct and the dysfunction of the Raiders does not scare off all the players and their agents…big day, I am excited! LET’S GO RAIDERS!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Good morning Dakota!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Wake up, wake up wake up you lazy @ss California hippies! Big day, boot up your computers and let’s talk…
HELLO!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Denmark is awake! Probably almost 5 pm over there huh?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:43 am
yup… 16:43
February 28th, 2008 at 7:43 am
I recently heard that people in Denmark are the happiest people on Earth…you must be the only Raider fan over there then!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:44 am
16 minus 12, carry the 43…so 4:43 pm!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Dakota,
Im up state your business.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Nothing new to talk about, I just want you California liberals to wake up, do some work and pay for all your charity cases so we republicans don’t have to carry the entire load…
February 28th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Raiders may scare off talent
By Jason Jones – jejones@sacbee.com
The Raiders and drama have been synonymous this offseason.
So, will the franchise beset with stories of front-office standoffs, angry coaches and a disgruntled owner be able to lure free agents? We’ll find out beginning at 9 p.m. PST today.
The Raiders were about $26 million under the projected salary cap of $116 million at the end of last season. That was before they re-signed running back Justin Fargas and franchised cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. But with LaMont Jordan expected to be cut and Warren Sapp’s retirement, the Raiders will have money to spend.
But are there wide receivers, linemen or safeties who will want it?
WR Bernard Berrian, Chicago Bears
Cost: The market for wide receivers is thin. Berrian is one of the best of the bunch. From $8 million to $10 million guaranteed might land him.
Why he fits: The Raiders need a deep threat, and Berrian is a burner. He’s also a California native.
Why he doesn’t fit: The price might be too high. How will he fit in a West Coast offense?
How he affects the roster: Berrian would start opposite Ronald Curry. Safeties would have to respect Berrian’s speed and threat to open up the offense.
G Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh Steelers
Cost: A lot – $50 million with at least $20 million guaranteed to sign this Pro Bowl player.
Why he fits: He would be the team’s best lineman. Faneca also would be a leader on offense and would help keep the middle safe for JaMarcus Russell.
Why he doesn’t fit: Did we mention he’ll cost a lot? Also, the Raiders’ zone-blocking running scheme doesn’t put much stock in expensive linemen.
How it affects the roster: It would be time to find a new position for Robert Gallery.
S Gibril Wilson, New York Giants
Cost: A nice raise from the $1.3 million he received in 2007. Wilson will be coveted by several teams.
Why he fits: He’s a big hitter, something the Raiders have lacked at safety for a long time, and showed he can blitz and disrupt the running game.
Why he doesn’t fit: The Raiders might not be inclined to pay a lot for a safety who hasn’t been named to a Pro Bowl.
How it affects the roster: Wilson’s presence would allow Michael Huff to play free safety, likely improving the defense.
G Jake Scott, Indianapolis Colts
Cost: A lot less than Faneca. Scott protected Peyton Manning, so that might boost his stock.
Why he fits: He played for Raiders offensive-line coach Tom Cable at Idaho, so he would fit in quickly.
Why he doesn’t fit: After playing for the Colts, he might not want to join a struggling team.
How it affects the roster: Another player who would aid Russell’s development. Scott is accustomed to protecting a franchise quarterback.
DE Mike Rucker, Carolina Panthers
Cost: Relatively cheap, as he’s approaching retirement.
Why he fits: Typical Raiders addition. The Raiders would try to squeeze something from the 33-year-old, who has been productive.
Why he doesn’t fit: The Raiders like second-year pro Jay Richardson, and Rucker would take plays away from him.
How it affects the roster: Another big body at defensive end to help against the run.
About the writer:
Read Jason Jones’ Raiders blog at http://www.sacbee.com/blogs.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Sorry liberals, I really should not have drank a liter of Mt. Dew for breakfast! Makes me speak the truth too loudly for some sensitive ears, lol.
GO RAIDERS!
February 28th, 2008 at 7:53 am
AL Sign Bryant Johnson!
You gotta love Jiff Fisher, on the Pats!
“Not everybody does it. That’s the misunderstanding,” Fisher said. “I know the truth, and the truth is everyone doesn’t do it. As far as we know, only one team did it and, fortunately, we discovered it.”
February 28th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Sean next time just the link will be fine ok, thanks
February 28th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Dakota…
yeah – there is a really easy explanation to it… We have no problems with tax’s, then life becomes really easy =)
February 28th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Lane draft a licker in round 6 or 7 and throw Sea Bass back in the ocean, thanks in advance.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Dakota, WHY is the sportsnews writers as biased as the Fox news reporters? It’s ALL spin & half truths. The real news is NE ripping off the other NFL teams.
February 28th, 2008 at 7:59 am
There are legal supplements that give you great definition and vascularity, not every great physique comes from steriods or HGH.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Yeah this team needs lickers! =)
February 28th, 2008 at 8:01 am
LMN, what are you talking about we have the best Cheerleaders already.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:07 am
I got Canned from ESPN becuase I tried to draft Lickers!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Seems to me that if Kiffin called that fish hack just to clear up the dancing rumor all the other stuff is not true.
Think about it, if Kiffin was on his way out the door he wouldn’t care about the dancing rumor. Al & Kiffin are 2 peas in a pod having a good laugh with the media and some of you folks here.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Oh dam I just realized I mistyped kicker lol.
Hey Roger is “mistyped” a word ?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Al Davis has already surrounded himself with boot lickers. It is not a need position IMHO.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:14 am
stfu you know what I meant
February 28th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Gholston won’t stop the run, beware…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Expect Berrian to be rockin S&B. $10 mil guarunteed. The only deep threat in FA this year…Plenty of possesion guys, but we already have that in Curry…
Can’t afford to draft a difference maker WR this year, only a developer…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Sean Salisbury probably got fired for calling John Clayton the crypt keeper.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Say what TW? Drink another cup of coffee, slap yourself a couple of times and then re-type post 548 so it makes sense!
FOX RULES…Bill O kicks butt!
just kidding, I watch MSNBC, CNN and Headline just as much as Fox…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:19 am
The first round of the draft this year looks pretty good and we have a lot of holes to fill even if we pick up a few key free agents. I would really like to see us trade next years 1st round pick for someone elses first rounder this year like Cleveland did last year if a quality player we covet is still there. I say this for two reasons. 1) We have been at the bottom of the barrel for a long time now and we need to get better quickly especially so J.Russ doesnt get plastered all over the field a la David Carr. 2) If we dont fill a lot of our holes we are going to be picking top 10 again and honestly how many top 10 contracts do the Raiders want to dish out within a 5 year span. Our team will be in cap hell if we keep up this pattern of mediocraty. Id like to know everyone elses opinions on this idea.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:21 am
The chicks on CNN and HLN are way hotter than the ones on Fox…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Dakota, had coffee & I’d rather slap Bill Orally.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am
http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/28/stroud-for-sale/
I would welcome Stroud in a heartbeat – he is one of the best DT’s to play the game!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Don’t you have the hots for Ann Coulter?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:32 am
I do the hand tussle every night thinking of Laurie Dhue from FOX NEWS!! I LOVE HER LIPPS!!
Damn!! She’s HOTT!!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Dakota
I’m up in California, what are your commands, sir.
Boy you are fired up this mornin, the little lady turn away from you yesterday.
I’ll give you an update on the Dakota Highwaythis afternoon.
Will is complete, my only problem is what do I wear?
Brown is here, what a sobbering thought.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Morning Nation, Dell, Dakota, Mistabrown, La Milicia Negra (glad to read that you’re too lazy to kill yourself LMN
)
February 28th, 2008 at 8:40 am
RNP, good call Dhue is hot and those lips!
Mmmmmm
Trippin, if your satisfied with Curry as our possession receiver we might as well resign James Jett.
Bryant Johnson!!
Chitown let Mushin go they will resign Berrian.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Its all about Michelle Tafoya…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Free agency looms in 11 hrs.
Florida Pete has every mojo in his arsenal working to get the Raiders to look at Britt (OT).
February 28th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Dell what should I read into your “sobering” comment ?
Keep it up and i’ll restart the anti RR posts
February 28th, 2008 at 8:43 am
What about Greta Van Susteren and Nancy Grace, lol.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Question..
Jeanette Thompson ( behind the shield )
or
Amy Trask
February 28th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Mistabrown, where did you find what Jeff Fisher had to say about the Pewks?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Berrian denied Chicago’s offer of 5 yr 25mil with 8 in guaruntees. He knows he’s the one…
Curry is an excellent slot/flanker type. Stretching his ass down the field is not his cup of tea, hence the False Starts..He can outman anyone at point of possession.
Higgins hopefully is eating Wheaties as we speak, but we may need a B. Johnson to fill #2…That’s if Tuna or Snyder get JP…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:46 am
RR biog at oaklandraiders.com states his 2006 defense accomplishments. NO MENTION OF 2007
February 28th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Just say yes to Bryant Johnson.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I bet Thompson got the moves between the sheets…Leave the glasses on, too sweetie..
February 28th, 2008 at 8:47 am
M yahoo sports
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Titans-Fisher-Not-everyone-cheats;_ylt=Akd44IKRnoDX_c6YIm_X2zCa2bYF?urn=nfl,69110
February 28th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Lara Logan, CNN
Sharon Tay, MSNBC
Mellisa Stark, MSNBC
I need to watch MSNBC more often!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Trask would be too neurotic and controlling…
February 28th, 2008 at 8:48 am
God no! I hate jeanette Thompson
February 28th, 2008 at 8:48 am
EXLA, I didnt know RR had any accomplishments can you enlighten me ?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:49 am
http://www.gogomag.com/talkingheads/cnn_hln_f.htm
You can’t go wrong with Headline News either!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Trippin we are on the same page..
Jeanette was a Raiderette so you know whats up and yeah the specs are sweet.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Mistabrown, thanks.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
those guys i’m watching NFL with always stop talking when Pam Oliver is on the screen…
What was the name of the girl who had to expone her wedding due to 9/11 and the SuperBowl moving a week?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
LMN – You just aint knowing bout that Brown Suga…Your loss
Mista – where the hell did the James Jett comment come from anyway?? He was all speed, no hands, the exact opposite of a possession WR..I even looked up a definition for you:
They are receivers you are mostly used in the slot (Between the o-line and one of the primary receivers) and put over the middle where linebackers and safties get to. They aren’t considered fast in comparios to others, but have much more steady hands. Drop less passes, and, as I’ve noticed, are taller then most other receivers. Most are 5′9 – 6′0, possession receivers are many times 6′2 – 6′5
February 28th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Mista,
Rob Ryan once finished second to kobayashi in a veinerschnitzel eating contest in Denmark, didn’t he LMN?
February 28th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Good Morning….
I´ve had this in my mind lately, what do you think?…
Consider that Ryan is in the last year of his contract and that unless we make a huge turnaround on Defense, he´ll be gone.
With that in mind, maybe we should just focus on giving Russell some playmakers to grow with for the upcoming season, by drafting McFaddden and Andre Caldwell or the best WR available in round 2 we could accomplish that, throw in an OT in the 4th round as well.
As for the D, sign Kelly and we have 10 returning starters, get a couple of Free Agents at DT, Jenkins would be great or Rogers, but if they´re out of reach then just sign a Randy Starks or another less heralded player to fill Sapp´s spot, let Ryan ”fix”it.
If things go as most expect, the D will fail again, Ryan will be gone and we can go after defensive players in the 09 draft and FA period.
In the meantime, Russell and his new weapons develop their chemistry, take their lumps and get ready to produce big time in 09.
It´s in Kiffin´s best interest to develop a potent offense, Ryan was granted one last chance and while I´m sure Kiffin does not ”want” the defense to fail, he knows he won´t be blamed for it.
Just another way to look at things……
February 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am
RNP, this is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmN1pZMCDo4&feature=related
February 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am
rr had none in 2007.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I like Alex Flanagan a lot!!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Allison Stewart MSNBC
February 28th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Mistabrown…
I would take Pam Oliver over Jeanette thompson any day.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Mista,
Thank you for that.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am
What have I started, can we get back to the NFL please?
February 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Mary Strong is purky, but her nose looks like a beak..
February 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Rogers is gone to NYJ already in a kinky menage-trade with Den and NYJ.
Bob, If we don’t seriously address the D this year, we’ll pay for it miserably for years to come. It will shatter the morale of our keepers. Aso in his contract year, Howard and Morri still have the juice. Burgess…Not a good idea. We had enough juice with McCown in there last year to have a winning season! It was the D and the 150yd running games that ruined us in the 4th quater..Remember! 6 4th quarter leads blundered!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am
By the way, I read somewhere about this Free Agent Spencer Johnson DT for the Vikes, he was the 3rd player in their rotation behind the Kevin and Pat Williams, maybe woth a look.
Can´t say I know a lot about him, but I did read that he played a lot, he was a contributor not a bench warmer.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Brown
“sobbering thought” you are real funny with a few bottles of wine close by, without wine only average funny.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Trippin I wasnt sayin JJ is a possession receiver I just pulled an ex raider out my as$ that sucked and JJ was the first thing that came to mind.
Obviously he was a speed guy with no hands and well Curry is a slot guy with almost no hands.
LMN, thanks I almost forgot about Pam Oliver, she has a large grill but still sexy and id hit it 3 times.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Good morning Mr. Marley,
interesting thoughts.
I have a feeling that the D won’t be a sieve for running backs to pour through this upcoming year. Upgrade a few parts and it will be competitive.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:04 am
The Federal Blog Act of 1998 is not being enforced.
All post about female parts are included in the Blog Act.
Please respect the federal Law.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
LMN, if I had the choice between Oliver and Thompson id have to use my life line and say both, good call.
Dakota, your welcome now go herniate a disk.
Dell, i’ll get back to you later tonight I need to go shopping.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Mista – Come Again??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgLjHsmExN0
February 28th, 2008 at 9:06 am
I just ran across this, I think there might be some truth in there somewhere, what do you think?
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2008/sohn022808.htm
February 28th, 2008 at 9:07 am
M
Good Morning
February 28th, 2008 at 9:08 am
RaiderDell…
I believe talk about females and female part is an integral part of blogging! if its not in your act, you act needs cleaning up!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Dell, would you like to do my taxes for free ?
February 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Based on the prior years all players will be waived by
6:00 pm eastern, for cap purposes and just a professional point for the players to seek employment.
My source of information is the media,hahahah
February 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Yalls..
I hear you, I said, just another way to look at it….
That being said, I don´t trust Ryan, we might be better off setting the foundation for a strong offene right now.
Seems to me like a more promising approach than hoping to build a stout D while Ryan is here.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Trippin that was a great catch the one he had in Denver about 3 years ago in the snow the one he got hurt on was even better.
Having said that how many easy passes did he drop last year ???
ALOT!
A BUTTLOAD!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Marley why wait another year and waste 2008?
If we bring in a new guy in 2009 its going to take time to bring the guys that new DC wants and the players have to learn a new system, now you’re lookin at being competitive defensively in 2010…Kiffin will be gone by then!
DUMP RR NOW!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Have a good day everyone, I´ll see you later.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Brown
I can’t write of wine as a medical excuse for you as a Raider Fan.
I suppose if you can be given a medical opinion regarding treatment and meets the AGI threshold, we could write off all medical bills.
I can see it now, Mr. IRS AGENT I REPRESENT MR. BROWN, AND HIS MEDICAL CONDITION IS BASED ON A RARE DISEASE CALLED ROB RYAN DEFENSE, IT’S BECOMING WIDELY KNOW IN ALL AREAS OF FANS WHO FOLLOW THE RAIDERS.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:21 am
check it out
http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/buzz/2008/02/27/kiffin-denies-dancing-avoids-tap-dance-with-al/
Kiffin denies 100% that he was not out dancing in indy during the combine, does not comment on any other accusations within the article he is defending. By his words, is that a way to say everything else is possible?
F the typos
February 28th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Dell, I never got my 2006 state check. Where do I go to file a claim or bust someone in the chops ?
February 28th, 2008 at 9:22 am
The Ryan’s are living off the rep of Dad. Neither are up to the comparison.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:24 am
So the Eagles cut Jevon Kearse…interesting. We don’t really need him.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:25 am
EXLA, I disagree Rex is doing fine in B-More.
Dakota let the rumors die please the media doesnt need help.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Rex’s D got older and slower last year. No longer able to carry the O. Sounds familiar.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:29 am
I would take Rex over his retard brother Rob any day.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Brown
Call your state, 800-742-7474, I believe your in Nebraska.
Work off this: wwwrevenue.ne.gov
or
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February 28th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Mista,
I was just passing info on…don’t kill the messenger bro.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Nebraska ? What gave you that idea Im in Ca, bay area!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Brown
I’ll help if I can.
I have to go, I know for a fact the next couple for my next appointment is going to be giving towards the Dakota Highway Fund.
Later
February 28th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Dakota you asked what do we think I told you. Get yourself a kevlar vest.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Somebody needs to find RR’s E-Mail address and send him the link to this blog.
I wonder what he would think of the vitriol directed towards His Mulletness.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Brown
Just caught your last post, brain disease, mad cow.
I’ll help you later, along as you are somewhat sober.
I must of thought you were someone else.
i know feel like Soul Patrol2, ugh!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
post 631 “now”
mad cow starting to seep in
February 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
As if RR can access or navigate a computer!
hahaha
You can print this blog and mail it to Alameda..
February 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Mista,
True…fire away!
February 28th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Dell,
You better take a day off…wouldn’t want you to bring down an audit on yourself or a client.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
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February 28th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Pete..
http://www.nakednews.com/
February 28th, 2008 at 9:46 am
“Mistabrown Says:
February 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
As if RR can access or navigate a computer!
hahaha
You can print this blog and mail it to Alameda”
Hahaha. Great idea!!
Fire away:
The Oakland Raiders, Attenion: Robert Ryan
1220 Harbor BayParkway
Alameda, CA94502
510.864.5000
Email us at feedback@raiders.com
February 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
LOL..you idiot laker fans are a joke. Bynum?…please. Kobe…ok I will give you that..probably the best in the NBA….But not the best team by far…you laker clowns will soon find out…Oh..and P.S. this is a Raiders Board. Lets try and stick to the Raiders..and yes, I am a Raiders FAN…But I just get sick of all the laker comments…yes, they are rollin’ NOW….we’ll see later…they can peak all they want in feb & march…
February 28th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Well my work is done here, keep up the bad work everybody!
Pete, that site used to be free during the Clinton admin go figure, sorry.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I have a feeling that was directed at me, lol.
Be a man, post under your usual name and then I will crush you.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Lakerhater,
Jerry Buss is one oldtimer that knows how to reload. Maybe he should give AD a call.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
The Offseason sucks!
February 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
So do the Lakers!
Go Spurs!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am
At least the AFL starts this weekend.
Desperados all the way!
February 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am
KRock,
the FA clock is tick-tocking toward 10 pm. Might have some worthy suject matter soon.
February 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am
K-Rock
The Spurs take every other year off, they are too chickenpoop to go for back to back titles…they leave that kind of hard work to the Lakers.
That being said, old bald-spot is having a decent year for the Spurs, and if uni-brow comes back from his ankle injury they will be tough out once again in the playoffs.
Should be fun to watch.
GO RAIDERS!
February 28th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Send your mail Here:
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Alameda, CA94502
510.864.5000
Email us at feedback@raiders.com
February 28th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Tom Kelly resigned. 7 yrs, $50.5mil
February 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am
ESPN did not give breakdown of the contract into signing bonus or G
February 28th, 2008 at 11:05 am
You guys are crazy not one of them girls is fine.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Well it says they are planning on moving T. Kelley inside to replace Sapp and this is a pretty hefty contract. I think this pretty much takes the idea of us possibly drafting Dorsey away completely. Its looking more like Ellis or Mcfadden now
February 28th, 2008 at 11:11 am
It said it was the largest DT contract ever. Hope his rehap from the ACL was on schedule.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:11 am
EX- LA…
For real??
February 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Didn’t use spell check. I meant rehab
February 28th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Yes, it’s on ESPN.com
February 28th, 2008 at 11:14 am
EX-LA…
Link, URL – SOurce anything? if this is true we halfways resigning. Clemons next!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Heres the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269154
February 28th, 2008 at 11:22 am
The Oakland Raiders stepped forward Thursday on the eve of free agency and signed Tommy Kelly to the largest contract ever given to a defensive tackle.
Kelly
Kelly, a defensive end scheduled to move to defensive tackle this season, signed a seven-year, $50.5 million contract Thursday that has $18.125 million in guarantees. In the first three years of the deal, he will make $25.125 million.
The Raiders’ plan is for the 300-pound Kelly to replace the retiring Warren Sapp as the three-technique defensive tackle in the Raiders’ 4-3 defense. The move is similar to the one made last year by the Detroit Lions’ Cory Redding, a franchise player who signed a seven-year, $47.5 million deal last summer, the highest among defensive tackles at the time.
Like Kelly, Redding was an effective run-stopping end with some pass-rush ability so the Lions believed he could move to tackle, work next to Shaun Rogers and create a solid 1-2 interior defensive tackle punch. The Raiders believe Kelly can emerge as one of the league’s best interior defenders.
Kelly gained the confidence of Raiders coaches by averaging five tackles a game as a starter at defensive end. He’s had 13 career sacks, and the Raiders believe he can be a pass-rushing force at defensive tackle because of his quickness.
First, though, Kelly has to get healthy. He’s coming off a torn ACL that limited him to seven games last year. He had 30 tackles and a sack in those games. Kelly was going to be a highly coveted defender in free agency because he could play defensive tackle in a 4-3 or defensive end in a 3-4.
He came to the Raiders in 2004 as an undrafted free agent out of Mississippi State.
John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am
I wonder how much of the cap space he took?
February 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Great!
Clemons is hopefully next!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Raiders signed DL Tommy Kelly to a seven-year, $50.5 million contract. The deal includes $18.125 in guarantees and $25.125 million in the first three years.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Damn, that’s a lot of money….the contract is probably heavily backloaded, but he’ll get paid fat the first three years though.
Hope he doesn’t turn into Turdell Sands now.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am
The Oakland Raiders stepped forward Thursday on the eve of free agency and signed Tommy Kelly to the largest contract ever given to a defensive tackle.
Damn I Hate Al Davis….all he cares about is money. If he cared about winning he’d open up his wallet and start paying good player to stay in Oakland. Get rid of Al Davis …and his big ego..all he does is take credit for everything.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am
By that I mean…gettin’ paid, then fadin’ away.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am
o/~ The Number Of the Beast o/~
February 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I didn’t even have to wait until 9:00 p.m. EST for good news. Wonder how the media will spin this. Could AD and LK be on the same page.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Kiffin must have spiked Al’s ensure…Davis took forever to sign Russell and now he gives Kelly that kind of money? Kelly and Sands (highest paid pair of back up d-tackles in the league)…Callahan was right…
February 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Say what? HOLY SHITE! WTF ARE WE THINKING???…when did Kelly becomes the best DT in the NFL?
February 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am
With our luck he’ll tear the same ACL early next year.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I meant 9:00 P.M. PST. This EST zone gets me all the time.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Damn, I’m stunned by that Kelly deal. I mean, I wanted to keep the guy but I’m pretty shocked he’s getting that much $$.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am
All Kelly’s agent had to do was walk into Al Davis’ office and say that the Broncos or Chiefs had offered Kelley $45 million and I bet Al dropped $50 mill on the table just to keep Kelly away from an AFC West opponent….same reason Lamont Jordan was not waived to make room for Michael Bush…
Just my speculation, lol.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I hear we are giving $65 million to Jerry Porter. Two year deal.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am
U may be right Dakota….wouldn’t be surprised one bit.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Some Raider fans….you pukes are absolutely pathetic.
Your memories are as short as your manually, well manipulted, peckers.
Kelly is well worth the money….Sapp had nothing but praise for Kelly….and in fact it was Sapp himself that pointed out that Kelly had better stats this early in his career then he did.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:44 am
how much is guaranteed in that Porter deal?
February 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am
$15 dollars
February 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Only a total moron would compare the hold out of Russell for a big contract to Kelly’s signing.
Russell never played a down in the NFL and Kelly has played every position on the defensiveline when asked.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Well, you want to bet we are now taking McFadden.This move sealed the deal.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:47 am
You are a complete moron Draft…just saying….don’t throw stones while living in a glass house.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Dakota- spread over two years, that’s $7.50 a pop…lol.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am
RaiderDogg Says:
February 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pm from post #272
“Also Tommy Kelly isn’t going anywhere. Trust me on this…”
So now will you guys trust that I know what I am talking about? My inside info isn’t always on the money but sometimes I do get solid info.
The contract details haven’t been disclosed yet but I am told that it is heavily loaded on the back end. This is a solid move and it helps to clear up the draft and Free Agency a bit more. The Raiders must be pretty confident about Kelly’s rehab progress.
Maybe the Raiders are looking to somehow get Chris Long or this could mean McFadden will be a Raider. There is still plenty of things that will happen personnel wise before we know for sure which way the draft will go.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am
lunch time, see ya.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:49 am
AD decided on McFadden once he got word of that 40-time.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:49 am
new blog!
February 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Dogg, will my wish come true? McFadden or Chris Long? Excellent!
Okay, really, I am out.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I agree that this is a good deal. We are all going to have to get used to the fact that we are going to have to overpay a bit to get the players we want. I think with Kelly moving inside this doesn’t ensure that we will pick a defensive tackle anymore, perhaps we will look at defensive end; someone like: Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, or Phillip Merling. Like the move glad to see we are keeping productive players on our team.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Kelly is no proven commodity. He’s being paid for his potential (upside)…However, he’s got a broke ACL and he is a 300 Dtackle in the trenches…not good for Acl’s. This is the same move Al made when he resigned Porter for 5 years, 25 million. Where did that get us?
Pay proven players or draft picks, not hurt potential players.
Dakota – your probably right on the agent move, and Al should’ve let Jordan go to KC. That would’ve helped us.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:53 am
The NFL channel says we have only 3.4 in cap room today
February 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Draft-you are correct
Kelly is well worth the money….Sapp had nothing but praise for Kelly….and in fact it was Sapp himself that pointed out that Kelly had better stats this early in his career then he did.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The deal is a three year deal, the key words are $18 million guaranteed.
That translates to 3 years $6 million per year.
Please note Sapp was earning $6.450 Million this past year.
Kelly is receiving Sapp money as if he would have received if he were to play in 2008.
The contract is backloaded by the terms reported by ESPN.
The Raider cap hit is no different, other than Sapp’s retirement will be prorated possibly over two years.
That’s why Sapp is waiting to complete his retirement paperwork until then.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:59 am
RaiderDogg
Nice post, you beat me to the punch regarding the backload of the contract.
I believe this gives them the opportunity to draft Long, for DE or Dorsey/Ellis, DT.
Kelly play DT or DE, and be effective either way.
The options are that no one really knows which way they go, other teams drafting after them.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Dakota,
Lakerhater is my name…do your worst
February 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
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