Digesting the Wilson deal
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 29th, 2008 at 9:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.
This one, I get.
Any free agent acquisition is a gamble, but the signing of Gibril Wilson is worth the risk.
As stated last night, I’m fine with Tommy Kelly getting every dime he can get, but wonder about the wisdom of committing a guaranteed $18.125 million and more than $25 million over three seasons to a player who either has been part of the problem on defense or not special enough to raise the level of those around him.
The rest of the league can’t believe what the Raiders put out to retain Kelly, and maybe they’re right. Then again, no one else had Nnamdi Asomugha as a first-round draft pick, either _ some teams didn’t have him in the top three rounds. So it’s not out of the realm that Al Davis could be right.
But while Kelly’s deal is open to question, Wilson’s signing (six years, $39 million, $16 million guaranteed) is an aggressive move which addresses a chronic weakness in the Oakland defense.
Other than the last great season out of future Hall of Famer Rod Woodson in 2002, it’s been difficult to watch the Raiders’ safety play since they returned to Oakland in 1995. And that’s from the press box, without a rooting interest. Hard to imagine how tough it’s been for Raider Nation.
There have been considerably more whiffs than big hits, precious few interceptions (12 by safeties in 80 games since 2002) and very little in the way of the sort of intimidation Jack Tatum made famous.
Back in 2003, after the San Diego Chargers cut Rodney Harrison, the Raiders had their nemisis in for a visit. Tatum endorsed bringing him aboard, but Davis was lukewarm and Harrison went to New England and played a role in two championships.
Davis thought Harrison might have been near the end of the line. Wilson doesn’t have the rep of Harrison, but he is much younger and a physical presence. Whether he plays strong safety or free safety doesn’t matter. From here, it looks like the Raiders signed a football player, rather than a specimen.
A Raiders official told me that Wilson has more tackles than any safety in the league over the last four years. Tackles aren’t an official stat, so who knows if it’s true. What is true is Wilson played championship football for the Giants and played a role in attaining that championship.
He wasn’t Larry Brown, intercepting passes thrown directly to him by Neil O’Donnell. Nor was he Desmond Howard, breaking free on returns but offering next to nothing as a receiver.
Wilson had eight tackles and a pass defensed against Green Bay in the overtime championship game win. He was an integral part of a defense that shut down the most prolific passing offense in NFL history against New England in the Super Bowl.
During Super Bowl week, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo talked about how Wilson adapted when moved from free safety to strong safety, asking him to model himself after Philadelphia’s Brian Dawkins.
“I remember giving him a whole collection of film on Brian and he studied it and has fallen into that position quite well,” Spagnuolo said. “The free safety in that system has to be a tackler, an active guy, an aggressive guy and that’s what Gibril is.”
Admittedly, it’s easier to look good as a safety with the kind of push the Giants were getting with their front four. The Raiders’ hope is that Kelly becomes Justin Tuck, Derrick Burgess is Michael Strahan and Jay Richardson takes a quantum leap in Year 2. Then if Terdell Sands can resurrect his game and a draft pick or two comes around . . .
All that happening is unlikely, but Wilson’s signing remains a positive move by Davis to address an area that has seen too many Marquez Popes, Anthony Dorsetts, Derrick Gibsons and Darren Carringtons over the years, and too many missed tackles the past three years by Stuart Schweigert and late-season replacement Hiram Eugene.
A few years back, I thought the Raiders made reasonable calculated gambles in signing LaMont Jordan and Burgess to positions of great need. Jordan didn’t work out as well as hoped, Burgess was a success. But it was worth taking a shot. I feel the same way about Wilson.
More impressions on the free agent frenzy:
– Back on Feb. 1, I made the case that the perception of dysfunction in the Raiders organization wouldn’t necessarily affect their ability to get free agents because what players were really after was money. Write the checks and they will come. At least one agent I respect disagreed, and thought it would be tough for Oakland to be a big player.
A little more than 24 hours into free agency, I think we have an answer. The $34 million in guarantees plunked down on Kelly and Wilson have free agents taking notice. Now all the Raiders have to do is pick the right ones.
– Maybe Jerry Porter will excel in Jacksonville, but he always did his best work in Oakland in a supporting role. It may be a reach for Jaguars fans who think he’s their new Jimmy Smith.
– Word is Chicago wide receiver Bernard Berrian could come to town if he gets out of Minnesota without signing a contract. Could be wrong, but he looks like a slightly younger version of Porter from here. An upgrade from what is on hand, to be sure, but don’t get crazy with the money.
– Another “talent” available is Javon Walker, who was released by Denver. But Walker tends to be high-maintenence when things don’t go his way, and the Raiders seem to bring out the worst in those kinds of players these days.
– Miami’s signing of Josh McCown makes you wonder if they’re thinking of drafting Matt Ryan, whether it’s at No. 1 or later if they trade down. McCown isn’t a consistent enough passer to lead an offense for 16 games, but teammates flock to him and he doesn’t mind being a mentor.
McCown is one guy who looked at the Lane Kiffin situation and decided he might be better off elsewhere. But it’s doubtul the Raiders were going to be in the financial ballpark anyway with what he got in Miami.
– Philadelphia delayed its visit with Chris Clemons as it was busy signing Asante Samuel, but Clemons is scheduled to take a physical today. The Clemons camp feels it got lowballed by the Raiders after the Kelly deal.
– So Randy Moss is on the open market. He could still end up a Patriot, but right now all the hearts, flowers and happily ever after talk during Super Bowl week looks pretty staged.
– Center Jeremy Newberry remains in play for the Raiders, and Tom Cable would like him back.
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
first? no way
February 29th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Looks like Philly is going to do whatever it takes to get a big time WR. They are dangling Lito Shephard and draft picks with a proposal to AZ for Fitzgerald (i posted this earlier), but a new team has come into play, that being the Lions, possibly taking the same deal and parting with Roy Williams.
DET and AZ are lacking DB’s and might be willing to do something stupid to rectify the problem. If I’m the Raiders I make a call and see what Huff’s value is to these two teams. Perhaps trading Huff and the #4 pick for Roy Williams might be enough. This would enable DET to draft a blue chip DL to replace Shaun Rogers, plus pick up a WR with their own 1st round pick.
Do you make this trade if DET would be stupid enough to take it? We’d still have a shot at Sam Baker in round 2.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
im first? wow
February 29th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
damn haha thought id try it
February 29th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Good night….I know it´s yesterday´s news with Gib Wilson on board, nevertheless….
Here are the facts on Tommy Kelly´s deal:
Last year, on July 2007:
DE-DT Cory Redding, signed a deal for 7 years and 49 million, with 16 million guaranteed.
Reddding´s Career numbers at the time were 57 games, 118 Tackles, 12 sacks and 4 Forced Fumbles.
– Feb 28, 2008: Tommy Kelly, DT-DE signs a deal for 7 years and 50 million, with 18 million guranteed.
Kelly´s carreer numbers are 49 games, 166 Tackles, 13 sacks and 7 Forced Fumbles.
– DT Corey Williams, Cleveland gave up a 2nd round pick and a deal worth about 18 million in guaranteed money for him.
His carreer numbers are 56 games with 119 Tackles, 17 sacks and 4 Forced Fumbles.
Bottm line:
a) The money Kelly got was only a slight increase over what Cory Redding got last year…
While the Redding deal ”raised a few eyebrows” all you heard was that Marinelli thought he could become one of the best DT´s in the league (he was moving full time to the inside from end as well).
Where was all the rage and laughther we have heard directed at the Raiders over the past 24 hours?.
How come we drove the DT´s price up?? if we did, it was for exactly 2 million dollars, which is the difference bewteen both deals in guaranteed money.
You think the talking heads did not know this? or did you think they decided to have a little Raider bashing fun?.
b) Look at Corey Williams numbers and consider he was playing next to Pro Bowler Aaron Kampman, pass rusher KGB and space eater Ryan Pickett, on run downs people focused on Pickett and on passing downs on the DE´s.
CW is a good player, better than Kelly at this point because he has been playing the under tackle for years, but a tad overrated when you consider the talent around him, also, as opposed to Kelly and Redding, he does not have the versatility to slide outisde if needed.
And most importantly, you have to add this years 38th pick (I think) in the draft to his price.
c) There is no way Kelly is worth 18 million right now, but there is also no way the agents ”forgot” Redding´s deal, that was the parameter and Kelly is a better player.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Huff AND the #4 pick for Roy Williams?? I had to do a double take when I saw that written… I wouldn’t give them either straight up, you have us giving those 2 together. There isn’t a WR in football who is worth Huff and a #4 pick in a draft.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Marley is always on. The Kwame call was nice.
This is a poor free agent class at best. If the player is decent the team is gonna go waaaay out of there way to sign them. Notice how we did that with Kelly and Nnamdi and let Porter, Brayton, and McCown walk.
This draft class is very very deep. Because of the threat of a rookie salary cap underclassmen are coming out in droves. Now it’s time to finish the deal! Get a top notch defensive lineman, some more offensive help, and let’s see what we got.
And BTW, Brown regarding #50, what do you think??
Maddness Raider and Alameda Insider, wrong as usual. Bye. Don’t come back, you have NO CRED. NONE. ZERO. Don’t embarrass yourselves by coming back.
February 29th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
And what were our options on the DL situation?.
Let Kelly walk and then…..
Trade our 2nd rounder for CW and pay him about the same money?.
Jenkins? he went for 3rd and 5th and got 20 million guaranteed.
Rogers? he went for Bodden and a 3rd rounder, maybe we trade Fabian but we don’t have a 3rd.
There is always the Draft but I´m still hesitant to take Dorsey-Ellis. I´m sure some guys will come up with other good options, but right now I can´t think of any…it´s kinda late…
One last note, more of wishful thinking actually, we know Kelly has the tools and from what Jerry wrote about him and his past experience with the media… he´s likely to be pissed that everyone made fun of the Raiders and him…who´s Tommy Kelly???? you are about to find out! (hopefuly).
February 29th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
We’d be the stupid ones for making that trade.
#4 overall AND Huff?
Why, so we can keep Stuey on board at safety?
Sam Baker ?????
C’mon !!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Dell and Oakglenn
Thanks, we´ll see if he actually signs, the agent has said there are a few teams calling and that no decision would be made until a least the end of the weekend. Let´s hope it works out, it´s a risky move but well worth it.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Assassin , there is NO WAY, i would trade #4 overall and Huff for Williams. Shoot, I wouldn’t trade Huff for Williams. Stud receivers are EASY to find. Stud everyone else, is a regal pain in the ASS!!!!!!!!! We’ll find receivers. Shoot, Antonio Gates, undrafted, Rod Smith from Denver, undrafted, Wes Welker of the Patriots, undrafted, we’ll get guys. Don’t worry.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Bob, you’ve been on that one early, you get the props. While I can’t say I’m the biggest Kwame fan, I like what we’re paying for him which basically is nothing for a first rounder. Can’t bitch about the price now can I??!! He is perfect for the scheme. Berrian is still a possiblity. Now who was criticizing the Godfather?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I just wonder what the Harris signing will mean for McQ and big Mario.
I think McQ was solid at RT. The only true weakness, IMO, was Simms. I actually thought that Grove played better than Newberry for that stretch that he was in there.
The O-line overall was far from a weakness.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
You like what we’re paying him?
Did I miss an announcement on Harris?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
sure T.Kelly is overpaid. But if the Raiders didn’t give him that deal, there were plenty of others who would have. Most likely the Broncos. Burgess and Kelly are by far our best players on the DL. If we have a weak DL as everybody believes, losing Kelly would have been disastrous. So like it or not, the T.Kelly signing was a great signing.
T.Kelly, T.Ssands, and G.Warren means we’re not drafting at DT at #4. That’s great because Dorsey appears to be damaged goods and there’s no way S.Ellis is a top 5 pick. That’s laughable. Retaining T.Kelly allows us to get a true impact player at #4, whether it’s C.Long, J.Long, D.McFadden, or V.Gholston. Both Longs will be long gone by #4, so we’re looking at McFadden or Gholston, either of which makes this a much better team.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Alameda Insider- Where are you? Where’s your BS about nobody would be willing to sign with Oakland??
February 29th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Jhill
Final thought tonight for me, I have thought about a lot of these moves and I still come back to us trading down.
If I’m wrong, so be it.
The move down will provide us with a extra dradt choice and I believe they like Clady, from Boise State.
My gut feeling, no source, no media persuaded me, just some logic.
The guaranted money from fourth to seventh is about 8 million dollars.
This draft is deep, extra picks are the premium.
goodnight
February 29th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
I agree we should trade down, but unless someone offers the farm a trade down won’t happen.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
goodnight to you …
Sleep on this,
It takes two to tango!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
I don’t think Kelly was overpaid. I have been writing this for months now and people are finally catching on. You go to the New England and New York Giant rosters and guess what, their defensive lines are littered with low round exceptional players. Well guess what people, you wanna play, you gotta pay!! 6′6″, 305 lb guys that run 4.8 forty’s, bench press a million pounds and can dunk a basketball, don’t fall out the sky every three effing seconds!!!!!! Do any of you know anyone that can do that??? If you do, have him call me!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kelly HAS BEEN CHEAP!! We’ve gotten our $$$’s worth out of him. The organization decided to retain him and pay him. There’s a word for that. It’s called class.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Just to clarify, as there is a lot of sarcasm on this board …
I just don’t know that anyone would be willing to play trade with us. Not only that, another tackle? If so, I don’t think we go after Harris.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
wilson is the key we need to move huff to fs, that is a good enough reason to sign him. i dont know if we overpaid him or not, there is only one way to find out and that is to wait and see how he plays, same thing with kelly.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
by the time camp hits we will a different team and it will show in the win coloum. i look forward to going out a couple times next year always and forever in
February 29th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
DSM, you have good posts. You’re right. Where are the lame pieces of crap that said no one would come here???? No one would sign with the franchise in disarray?? They know who they are. They can suck my dkk.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Sam Baker is the LT for USC. He’s a good fit for our scheme.
I’m surprised everyone is up in arms at the suggestion of letting Huff go. Earlier today, and part of yesterday evening, you guys were saying that Huff is good at covering TE’s but wasn’t productive elsewhere.
I agree that stud receivers are easy to find, but we wouldn’t have to find Roy Williams. We know he can command coverage thus making it easier for Curry and the average WR’s opposite of him.
Giving up the #4 was geared more towards not having to shell out so much for an unproven guy since we’ve spent so much already (should’ve clarified earlier). I touched on this in the last thread re: what the Browns are doing (signing/trading for proven talent and not having to pay 1st round picks).
The addition of Wilson would make it easier to part with Huff. It’d be easier to replace Huff with a guy like Deke Cooper or Ty Law (slower step late in his career but would be a great FS).
This was obviously not a popular suggestion but I think it warrants a thought. My bad if this is way off base.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Pirate, i like your #15.
Dakota, you were dry humpin McFaddens leg 24/7 and then you hopped off. C’mon back the water is warm!
Rounds 2,4,5,6,7 – WR, MLB, DT, WR, OL
February 29th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
c’mon now, other than the newly aquired wilson, Huff is our best safty. If we trade him, than who will play SS if Wilson plays FS? or the other way around? Stuart whateverthefreakhisnameis? Hiram Eugene? i don’t think so, and also the only reason why kiffin kept Hiram was because of the interception he made at the game against the arizona cardinols in the preseason.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I agree with everyone on Wilson…he´s nice and a huge upgrade from our other ”options”.
For some reason, I don´t see Berrian here, I don´t love him but I do like him.
And with the bust rate among WR´s drafted over the last several years it´s appealing to get a guy who has proven he can play in this level
Have a good night everyone.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
how does samuels singing effect namdi and his salary
February 29th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Oakglenn- They’re probably here posting, under different names of course because now they are the morons we thought they were.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
love this. good start so far. and like the other post said, all the drama in Oakland hasn’t really scared off FA players. lets keep it up.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Assassin, remember, everyone thought Nnamdi was a bust of a first-round pick after his first three seasons too, then he came out and had a huge year and is now considered one of the better corners in the league.
Huff has good coverage skills, but he doesn’t intimidate anyone and hasn’t made any game-changing plays. But he’s only been in the league for two seasons, too. Maybe he’ll emerge in year 3. It’s not that uncommon.
Don’t trade him for a 2nd round pick.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
505 you’re exactly right. some of the malcontents who never won anything EVER are now gone. Guys who have played and won Super Bowls are coming here. Think that’ll make any difference?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
DSM, I always look for your posts. They’re Always insightful.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Mista,
I’ve shared my thoughts on McFadden. Now I am worried he might knock up Carol Davis if we draft him.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Berrian is seeking $24.5 million over the first three years of a contract, and has rejected an offer from the Bears of $25 million over five years with $8 million to sign
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/818182,earlybear022808.article
February 29th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Looks as if all the riff-raff has cleared off this site. Good evening and good job gentlemen.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
M,
Not so fast, I am still here.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
R.A.W. Says:
“February 29th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Berrian is seeking $24.5 million over the first three years of a contract, and has rejected an offer from the Bears of $25 million over five years with $8 million to sign
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/818182,earlybear022808.article”
can we afford him?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
R.A.W. There’s a big difference between having Grossman, Orton or Griese throwing to you and having Jam throwing to you. Personally, if I were Berrian, I’d take Jam.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Bernard Berrian is not worth 8 mil/yr. Simple as that.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
M, I’m one of the point people for screwing with the riffraff on this site, and I know it pisses everyone off when I take them on, but none of us deserves them coming in here and pissing all over everything. We don’t deserve that. This is the single greatest fan base in all of sport, and I’m not gonna tolerate idiots coming in here saying stupid stuff.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Dakota,
you live in an underpopulated state, maybe DMc needs to pay SoDak a visit on his way to the NFL.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Assassin, I think the signing of Wilson might have something to do with wanting to keep up Huff but I dunno I didnt call for his head.
Now Huff can go to FS and we might possibly have a nice tandem back there I cant wait to see it. If Detroit needs corners why offer Huff when you can offer Washington, Routt, Bowie, and Carr if he’s not a FA ( i thought he was ).
The Browns are going be a thorn in that division next year.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Oakglenn i always hear changing the attitude of a struggling team, he can only help in that area i will be out there this year to witness a huge improvement next year only got out once last year gonna try for 2 next year
February 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Dakota #35
lmao
February 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I would rather sign Bryant Johnson for $5-6 mill than spend $8 mill on Berrian…neither of them are true #1 receivers, but desperate times call for you know what.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Wow I think I am watching MADDEN or something is this real.. the Raiders signed a hard hitting Safety.. let Mclown go and Brayton.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Chris in NY – Point well taken. Let me clarify that I don’t think Huff is garbage. I’ve been a Huff supporter. I agree with your analogy of the third year turnaround. I was just saying it would be worth taking a shot at someone like Roy Williams since WR is such a deep hole for us.
I’ll chalk this one up to premature posting. The more I write the dumber it sounds to make a deal like this. Keeping Huff, the #4, and signing a guy like Bryant Johnson would solve more problems than getting a guy like Williams. My bad. I can eat crow when it’s well deserved.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Oakglenn/ Marley.. who do the Raiders draft now @ # 4?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Oakglenn,
yes I do realize that and I have been continually amazed by your werewithal in addressing the unsound minds of certain individuals that are a bane to us all. I thank you for every bit of that.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
505 you know you’re welcome. Look me up, and I’ll get ya a beer in the stadium!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Right now its DE’s Burgess& Richardson. DT’s Sands & Kelly. Our D-line is set.
Our Linebackers are MLB Morrison OLB Howard & OLB ?.
We need another linebacker. Draft Keith Rivers! This will be the best Linebacking core in history!!!
Our CB’s Are Namdi & Washington. Were okay but we can upgrade on Fab’s side.
Our Safety’s are now Wilson and Huff.Decent. Put Schweigert on the trade block.
Sign Bernard Asap!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
How bout Draft Mcdaddy and trade him to the Cowgrils for T.O. and Barber???? lol
February 29th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
M,
We in South Dakota enjoy having 1 person per 35 square miles…makes for less confrontation. McFadden, please stay out of South Dakota.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Honestly Native, I think Dorsey will fall to us at 4. Chris Long will go One overall. I think jake Long will go two, Matt Ryan three, and Glenn Dorsey will be sitting there for us!!! He would be a HUGE (in more ways than one) help to our entire team!!!! Leader on a national championship team, a position of need, arguably the best player at his position…..if not Sedrick Ellis would be an absolutely FINE consolation prize!! And I don’t trade the pick!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Im even sick of the name “Berrian”.
Bryant Johnson!
If Bush and Johnson light it up next year Im going to print t-shirts..
“We love our Bush, and proud of our Johnson”
February 29th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
You’re right Mistabrown. Again, the more I think about my suggestion, the more we would get screwed. I don’t know if Fabian would yield Roy Williams. Hell, I’d do that in a second, as I think Routt will be a better Pro long term anyway.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
wilson, Huff, Asomugha, Routt. No problem I can see. Damn, looks excellent actually.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
I wan’t one of those shirts!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Edit:
We love Bush, and are proud of our Johnson!
Make it happen Al.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
M, thanks for saying that, I appreciate all your posts! I have over the last year invited opposing fans to come here and break down games and matchups and football and history, and most are REALLY good about it, and then some want to come in and just be stupid. Well, they get their asses kicked. I don’t want to, I’d rather just talk football with all of you all. That’s all I want to do. Ever.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Mistabrown,
that would become a fine t-shirt addition to the parking lot tailgating.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
If Kwame is RG where will Carlisle go?
He did good for the price last year. I hope he isnt leaving.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Good analogy OakGlenn! I would take either Dorsey or Sedrick. So no one believes AL the GODFATHER doesn’t have anything up his sleeve?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
i think the #4 pick over all should be enough for roy williams.they are crazy to think there getting huff too.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
My opinion, for what it is worth.
Chris Long will not go #1. Dolphins are moving to a 3-4 defense and Chris Long would have to play out of position at OLB since he is only 272 lbs. Reports say that he could do so, but that he is a true fit for DE in a 4-3 defense…so, unless Bill Parcells wants to play the #1 pick out of position, or switch to the 4-3, the Phins are going to have to go in another direction…Matt Ryan. Why else would they jump on McClown? They know he will be willing to mentor Ryan along and not cause waves…
February 29th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
FYI Dakota, im watching the W’s spank the 76ers on DV-R so I dont need a final score, thanks.
BTW, you getting a peek at Brandan Wright?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Later gang! I fulfilled my quota of whacky scenario’s for today. Off to bed.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
See Brown, I’m big on Bryant Johnson. I’d think he would be sweeet here. And you don’t holla to your boy? You still mad at me?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Oakglenn no community service anouncement today for AL or Kiff?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
HERE ARE SOME OF THE BEST FA WIDE RECEIVERS AVAILABLE:
– Bernard Berrian: Would fill speed need. Will probably get more $$$ than he’s worth though.
– Braynt Johnson: Big and athletic (6-3, 216). Kind of a poor man’s T.O. Could be a great pickup. He was drafted in the 1st round the same year the Cards picked Anquan Boldin in Round 2. Has been overshadowed by Boldin and Fitzgerald, but looks much improved from early on. My guess is he’d get something in the neighborhood of what Porter just signed for. I think he’s the best buy of this bunch.
– Donte Stallworth: Haven’t heard much of anything about Stallworth and any teams. Strange. He would also fill the deep threat need of the Raiders. The down side — always an injury risk.
– DJ Hackett: Emerged as Seattle’s best receiver the last couple of seasons. Nice player, but not quite the speed threat the Raiders could really use. Banged up last year but looks like a real good player.
– Javon Walker: Great talent but often injured. Seems like a bit of a pain. Will probably get pretty good $$$ somewhere. Risky.
– Eddie Kennison: Could be a nice veteran pickup if he comes cheap. Has quietly had a good career in KC. Anything left in the tank?
– Drew Carter: Has some big play potential. If he comes cheap he could be a steal and fill a real need.
– Brandon Lloyd: Athletic but seems to always underperform and cause problems. Inconsistent hands.
– Samie Parker: Not a starter but he’s got some speed. I really thought he was going to emerge in KC a couple of years ago but seems to have regressed. Could be a decent No. 3 or No. 4. Sadly, he’s probably better than anything we have on the roster outside of Curry at this point. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the Raiders mix.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Assassin,
perhaps you were just tired when you made such an assertion.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
That is wilson will bring not only talent but a winning character too. sorry computer is out doing this by phone
February 29th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Brandon Wright? I don’t watch the WNBA, sorry Mista, lol.
Lakers finally lost a game, guess the NBA wanted to make sure they don’t run off with the West too soon.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Native as long as the mods don’t edit me, which they constantly do, it’s a problem with me, I know, I can’t seem to curb my language as much as I try, I will post public service announcements to the young readers out there who are fans of the Oakland Raiders, a great pro franchise!!!
Kids, fire is not a toy!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Pirate Arrgghhhhhh at (#15) Yeah, you’re right on in my opinion. Signing Kelly makes it extremely doubtful we’ll go after a DT at #4. I specualted a long time ago that both Ellis and Dorsey are a bit on the smallish side although very talented. Now I’ve heard comments that Ellis tends to get worn down late in the games and Dorsey might be injury prone or simply unavailable when we draft him. Aren’t there other good tackles in the draft? I heard Red Bryant would make a solid pro, but I don’t know much about who else is out there.
Also, doesn’t anyone else think that maybe a big problem we had in our receiver corps was only having four starting receivers? That seems like a ridiculously low number of guys at that position. By the way, what ever happened to Madsen? Wasn’t he supposed to be this all purpose kind of receiver?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
I’ve lived off and on in Arizona so I got to see many Cardinal games. I have been on the Bryant Johnson bandwagon from the day his name came up as a possibility. Arizona never seemed to miss a beat whenever Boldin or Fitzgerald were injured. And Johnson showed me he had the heart to fight for the ball when necessary. That’s big in my way of viewing WRs.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Oak, when was I mad at you ? You like B Johnson too? You like everything I like..but you like what I loathe too!
Noticing what our division is doing????
NOTHING!
Denver- crickets
KC – crickets
SD – Exteneded Billy Volek
HAHAHA
February 29th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Happy Leap day Raider Nation, belated happy Black History Month, V-day, and President’s day!
Night fellas.
Keep it up Al, spend that money, make it rain!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Thanks M,
Seems like its unanimous. Everyone loves BJ.
Come on, Al, make it happen.
Mistabrown (post 61), I’ll take one of those tee-shirts.
February 29th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Dakota that was funny…WNBA
The Lakers lost ? I dont even pay attention to LA. Utah is the only team Im worried about and you should be too.
M, 73 was a laser at my boy Assassin!
February 29th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Dakota,
what do you yourself do with your own personal 35 sq. miles?
February 29th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
thanks oakglenn looking forward to it when my computer is back up will post alot. a little hard by phone it was me and my 2 girls for the bears game next is my turn only. aunt lives in hayward love it out there
February 29th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Mistabrown,
as you’ve not finished watching the Warrior game, enjoy. The kids can play.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
M,
You know what I do, I raise woolly mammoths, hunt T-Rex and gather peyote in the Badlands…
February 29th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
And michael the burner turner is as good as gone..
The Franchise rests on a torn MCL and a jacked up ass toe..LOL
February 29th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
All of a sudden, Im glad to not be the chargers…
February 29th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Dakota,
there probably are few better ways to use your allotment of 35 square.
plus you own 1/8 inch of highway!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Are we not better than KC & Denver going into next year and nipping at SD’s kneecaps ?
YES!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
What would you guys think about trading down from No. 4 for the Cowboys two first round picks and maybe a 4th or 5th rounder on top of that. Then try to trade the Cowboys No. 21 pick to anyone behind us in the first round for an additional later round pick, then signing Jared Allen from the Chiefs and leaving the Chiefs with two very low first round picks as compensation while adding a couple of later picks in the draft for ourselves?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
the posts of the troubles affecting our division foes has me laughing. Thanks Oakglenn, thanks Trippin
February 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
M, you’re welcome.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
That would be such a sweet burn on Peterson and KC.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
I like Bernard Berrian alot. I have heard him talk and I think he is a team first sort of guy. When Rex was being thrown under the bus in Chicago, Bernard was reminding everyone about his own miscues (dropped passes and fumbles) along with the loss of their best offensive weapon Thomas Jones.
Berrian is the type of guy that will work hard and I have never heard anyone question his character. On top of that he is the best Deep threat in Chicago since Willie Gault.
His speed and character really set him apart from Jerry Porter along with his age.
Jerry was always slow and ran bad/ lazy routes. Berrian will be a considerable upgrade.
With the Raiders bad image and Berrian being from Central Cali, he is the perfect fit. The Raiders are the one team that it actually makes sense to pay premium to get the guy. Pull the trigger.
Jamarcus will have a formidable receiving corp with Berrian, Curry, Zach Miller and John Madsen.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Beginning a few months ago you could begin to hear the murmurs in western states, oh damn, here they come again. Raider up!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Mistabrown,
I type slowly. Apologies. Y gracias.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Mista -
Sweet Warriors game. Wright looked solid in the 1st quarter, good to see him get some extended playing time. Monte Ellis joins an elite group after a monster month of February. You’ll see.
Dakota -
Sorry about your boys losing tonight. Not really just trying to be nice.
Oakglenn -
All I can say is how happy I am to see that the PSA’s have finally made a return. Always good sheet man.
Unknown -
Good to know that you are out there doing your thing. Make sure that you interject now and again so we know that you are there. I want to hear your angles on each move as they transpire. I still like your Lito Sheppard thought, looks more realistic by the day.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
The Eagles are hell bent on not giving McNabb any help @ WR.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Bob Marley post #5 was great. After you broke it down like that I can see why the Raiders pulled the trigger. I would have preferred making a play for Stroud, Jenkins, or Rogers, but the Raiders are already light enough on draft picks so Kelly was probably the best move.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Dick V
8 mil. for one WR? Think about it.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Issac Bruce a 9er…Oh well…
When McCree gets done hittin the rounds, no one will think we overpaid for Wilson..
Wilson>McCree.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Randy Moss is still hanging around waiting on some offers. What if Al were to have him back?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Where’s Alameda insider? Damn niner fan.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
A vetran WR with work ethic, speed, and a good attitude.
How much will Stallworth cost because him and Drew Carter are the only deep threats left on the board. Its apparent that Al wants to win now because the Raiders have been crappy running on 5 years now. Who is going to hold it down deep if not Berrian, Higgins?
Draft picks have to go to O line and Dline because the Raiders are so thin up front.
Where does a solid WR come into play if not Berrian, Next year?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Mistabrown,
I read somewhere that the Eagles were considering Moss. Guess someone had a T.O. flashback and nixed that idea.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
What happened to all the Albashers tonight?
February 29th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Dudes if we got Stallworth – that would be a HUGE(!) upgrade over Porter. That kid has always impressed – and I mean way back since he was a Paaacerrrr playing for powerhouse Grant HS up here in SAC. Man amongst boys.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
DickV,
I understand your points about Bernard but he is simply not worth what he is asking.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
M I have thought about it way before he took Chris Carr deep for the win this year. I like Berrian and he is deep threat Al, Jamarcus, Knapp, and Kiffin (insert coach if not him)needs.
I want to say its not my money but hell i have been ponying up cash to watch that weak ass WR corps for too long. Berrian is a character guy like Kelly and he will also bring with him the opposing Teams fear and respect of the deep threat.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Bishop,
I remember thinking that New Orleans got a great pick when they drafted Stallworth. I thought he might have a Larry Fitzgerald type game. Haven’t seen it.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
man all the numbers are wild to me. Al has liquid cash and he will use it to sign it. The 8 million is the dog and pony show, the meat and potatoes is the guaranteed money. Al has let his team become a joke. He has all of us going to work getting laughed at by Niner fans. The hell with Berrian not being worth it. The man is what they need get it done.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Stallworth would be a nice runner up trophy, but the Raiders need some thorough breads right now.
Coming away with the top Safety and WR in FA would be a nice boost to Raider morale all around. That would heal the damaged psyche nicely. We need more of that. Its apparent that the old man isn’t bowing out until he croaks so he might as well spend money to get the players. He probably will take it with him anyway. Get the next Willie Gault Al.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Yeah he wasnt ever the premiere WR anywhere either, he was behind Joe Horn w/ our boy A. Brooks throwing the rock, then he was in the mix in Philly, with TO, then he got thrown in the array of weaponry aka NE Patriots. He would shine in Oak, and definitely be the upgrade we were looking for at the position.
Although he looks to be going to the Browns.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
maybe not with TO in Philly, but yeah, you get the gyst of what I was trying to say
February 29th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
How many of those analyst will be snickering if the Raiders land both Wilson and Berrain. You now what they will say as they stop smiling. Well Al Davis overpaid for both and the Raiders made the worst move in FA with the Kelly signing. You know what we would say, we got some football players.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
we need to get donte stallworth i played with him in high school here in sacramento at grant high school the guy is a #1 and was stuck behind randy moss al needs tobring him home he was allways a raider fan growing up
February 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Talking heads, schmalking heads, … everything each one of them has said, including our host, JMac, has not come to fruition.
Bunch of something about nothing.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
DPH in da house!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
8 million a year 10-15 million might be too much for a GM who has a bean counting owner looking over his shoulders telling him it better work, but to the Raiders who have a demented Don Corleone on his death bed who has money bags for pillows, it is a drop in the bucket.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I live in Rio Linda, I been watching all the stars coming out of DPH/Grant. Next one, if all works well will be Syd Thompson. Kid can play some CB.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
ghs we can get right now at a discount mark my words he is a raider
February 29th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
watch out for jj dontes little brother next year at fresno donte wants to be closer to his home and family and the oppertunity to be a #1 reciever
February 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
JJ going to Fresno next year? thats cool, I been watching Syd play at Cal, keeping tabs on him. He used to be my neighbor across the street; there is another one that was always playing like he was 3-4 yrs older than everyone else.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
i see u rio linda
February 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Most of the “analysts” and commentators have written into their contracts that they have to say negative things about the Raiders. Or so it would seem. They’re like MaddenRaider’s posts here. No need to bother with them.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
later b cool
February 29th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
stallworth or bust!!!!!!!!
February 29th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
G’night gentlemen, ladies.
February 29th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
u either love us or hate us there is no in
between
February 29th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
later peeps
March 1st, 2008 at 12:27 am
Now that we’re getting what we need in FAcy. I told you guy’s that once players take a visit and speak with the coach that things would be fine.
It has a lot to do with the money of course but thse players do NOT have to come here to get that money they are quality playters. Most teams needing their services would pay them so it has something to do with the organization it’s not ALL just MONEY as Jerry would like us to believe.
The organization is representing an image to these players that is NOT being acknowledged in the media. Plain and simple. Wilsn just won a SB and knows he can get paid if not by the Raiders then certainly someone else. So he picked the Raiders NOW WHAT does that tell you?
March 1st, 2008 at 12:39 am
Raiderdogg and Oakglenn, good call. I don’t know if Wilson is great but I have to admit he’s better than anyone I thought we’d get so far.
And, what’s up with you guys accusing me of dodging you…like 5 minutes after the news breaks? Chill out, ey? When you’re right, you’re right. How about we give our debating opponents 12 hrs or so to respond before we assume them to have gone awol? Like I’m on the internet all day, or something. Just so happens I was at Arco Arena watching my high school alma mater (a basketball powerhouse since they started keeping track) choke to a team that isn’t even known for being a basketball school. (karma for rubbing the SB in Patriot fans’ faces?) Before you mock them, might I remind you of who your favorite NFL football team is, and their little reputation for choking as well.
So, we sign a decent free agent. Remember, it’s not like he came here on the cheap. Money did a little talking, here. But it’s still a bigger catch than I thought we’d net. My props to all of you with your positive “inside” info. I mean that.
I still have some questions:
1)Lane Kiffin DID express his desire to switch to the same type of defense his father uses, and even expressed his interest in one of his dad’s assistants. Rob Ryan is still here. Rob Ryan mocked Kiffin a little in a recent interview with the Sac Bee by saying, “I know who the boss is. It’s Al Davis”.
Considering the resignation rumors are all false, are we sure that everything is still ok between Kiffin and Davis, and Kiffin and Ryan?
2) James Lofton was hired as an assistant coach. As far as I know, Lofton has no connections with Kiffin, whatsoever. Does anyone else find it, ugh, I’d hate to use this word, “fishy” that Kiffin would hire him, as the Raiders insisted HE did? We do know Lofton and Davis are friends, however. Brass tacks, guys. Why in the heck does Kiffin suddenly hire some assistant coach that he has no connections to? Is it not at all possible that Kiffin, despite the claims made by the Raiders, had nothing to do with hiring Lofton?
3) Why does Hillary Clinton accuse Obama of being negative when she’s probably the most negative and dirty campaigner since Rove/Bush?
I want answers to all 3 of these questions, and I want them now. Goodnight.
Again Oakglenn and Raiderdogg, props to both of you. Sorry about the discourse, earlier, but you know it’s just part of the game. You guys would be surprised how often I defend the Raiders, and even Al Davis, in the real world. (I’m surrounded by Niner fans).
March 1st, 2008 at 12:42 am
this is my first time doing this……..
I read alot of comments about trading huff for r. williams. WHY? Why down grade a defense that couldnt stop the run and fell in the rankings against the pass? Why trade for a wr theres good ones in FA.
-Donte Stallworth- look at his highlites and he made some good plays even though welker and moss were the primary targets. he can be a deepthreat.
-Bryant Johnson- played behind boldin and fitzgerald, but was consistent, would be a good underneath guy.
sign these two guys so that way if stallworth is double covered downfield, you got johnson underneath who can make plays.
as for the expendable guys, lets see about some draft picks through trades.
-lamont jordan was good before he got injured, worth at least a mid-late 3rd rnd pick
-terdell sands was a waste of money, but hes huge, maybe theres a team dumb enough to give up a 4th rnd pick. Maybe the lions will now that rogers is in cleveland.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:02 am
We have to sign a WR like B Johnson or D Stallworth.
And in the Draft i like J Nelson as well as M Monk from Arkansas. He was tremendous 2 years ago then he got injured begining of last year. He had a sub 4.55 on the 40 but he is a big target. Plus if you look at the combine, he is 6′5 and 34″ vertical jump.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:36 am
Guys, this post is from someone called “JJ”.
He seems to be a real supporter of Al Davis, and believes that Kiffin has zero authority.
His view could kind of contradict what you guys are saying, wouldn’t it? A lot of you are saying that everything is ok with Kiffin and Al. But this suggests something entirely different. And, again, JJ seems to me like someone who’s big on Al DAvis. Read for yourself, and I’d be interested in hearing your guys’ response to his points.
# jj Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
“Well, with Al allowing McClown to sign with Miami we got a pretty clear picture where Kiffin stands as far as authority (none). McClown was a west coast q/b which Al hated and Walter is a big arm q/b which Al loves, and Kiffin had no use for, so we now see who is going to make up the roster. Kiffin had no respect for Walter’s style of play and it showed during the season. Kiffin is done, and Al has taken over the roster. What is going to be interesting is what happens in the draft. Will Al continue to be interested in track speed players or will he draft football players. The second pick will give us an idea of his direction..”
March 1st, 2008 at 1:40 am
And, just so you guys know, I wasn’t scouring the archives. I linked to that thread by clicking on a user name in the “recent comments” section, and actually thought this comment was recent until I read the time stamp.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:46 am
Mcown got paid way more then we could have offered as much as kiff liked him $ for $ there is bang for your buck
March 1st, 2008 at 1:48 am
BErrian would be a great addition at the right price.
The problem is that the WR class this year is very thin.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:53 am
last year we were hailed for the sands signing & it failed now we are said to have paid to much hope the tables are turned and he excels
March 1st, 2008 at 2:04 am
505 Raider, is Kiffin ok with being overridden on McCown? If not, then why should anyone believe that Kiffin is happy here, and thus there is no turmoil? We’ve landed a decent free agent, but money talked. It’s not like he took a pay cut to come here. We had to ween him with financial stability.
My mea culpa to Oakglenn and company for my being wrong about us not landing a free agent. But with all due respect, I’m not getting the vibe that all is well between Kiffin and Al. And the irony of it is, I’m getting this vibe from YOU GUYS, not the media. A lot of you are somewhat suggesting that Kiff has been de-balled, and seem to be boasting about it. Again, JJ doesn’t seem like an “Al basher”, to me.
March 1st, 2008 at 2:05 am
“McCown is one guy who looked at the Lane Kiffin situation and decided he might be better off elsewhere.”
Where exactly is the backup for this. What I heard him say in a Sirius radio interview is that he would be fine being a backup in Oakland, but his first wish is for playing time/starting opportunity. How does that turn into ‘the Kiffin sitch is bad so I’m going anywhere else asap’? Now, if you have info, then spill it, otherwise, I guess you are just looking to stir the pot (which is what you get paid for, so I don’t hold it against you, although if Jason Jones gets a real comment section with troll filters, I won’t bother with the MaddenRaider/Insider trollness that goes on here (excepting BHP, who seems to be the ruler of info/intellect)).
March 1st, 2008 at 2:36 am
C’mon guys the Raiders have really only signed one player and that is Wilson who will probably be a big free agent aquistion. Kelly doesn’t count as a FA signing because they just resigned him and made him the highest paid DT in history to keep him a bit of a reach no matter how you spin it. IF you have to overpay for mediocre talent and I would put Kelly into that market then pro bowl talent is out of reach. Don’t get me wrong I like Kelly and Wilson but DAvis and CO have to show me more. Al was scared he would lose Kelly to the Broncos, he clearly can’t make decisions anymore without being clouded by worrying what the rival is doing. Let them take care of their business and worry about the Raiders Al.
March 1st, 2008 at 2:40 am
I don’t really see BHP and other Raider front office cheerleaders as giving credible information. All they give is one sided and I could say the same for people who claim to be in the known on the Al bashers side. There are always two sides of a story and perception is reality these days whether we like it or not and the reality is it looks as if the Raiders are in chaos.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:05 am
It looks like the least informed of the Raider Nation have their place……on this blog in the wee wee hours.
March 1st, 2008 at 5:42 am
Does anybody know what the Cooper Carlisle situation is? I am wondering if they are thinking he’s “gone” in effect and then having McQuistan at RG and Harris come aboard for RT? (since he too seems to fail at LT). Does this all sound like Jake Long is the guy Al has his eye on?
Second question: baffled by the talk of trading Huff. I know the Raiders put the name out there at least to gauge the market. But Huff alongside Wilson would be the best we’ve had in years. Plus Huff has only had 2 years to work with, with very little support, and I just don’t think that counts as “bust” yet. I’d hate to see us bring in a really good safety, then trade Huff, and therefore pair Wilson with … Stu? Eugene?
March 1st, 2008 at 6:32 am
I hope Wilson plays strong safety, and they move Huff to free safety. That would be an upgrade at two positions instead of one.
Do you guys think that is what the Raiders have in mind?
March 1st, 2008 at 6:35 am
Looks like Al knows the CBA will not be in place in a couple of years and he is signing who he can now. I like the fact we have not signed any aging vets to big deals yet. Get Berrian and trade the pick or take McFadden.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:40 am
I would not give a 4th rounder more or less a #4 for Roy Williams. Remember he play for the kitty cats and they have a loser mentality with our former LB MM as their team pres. Better to get someone in the 2nd or 3rd round and not shell out the big bucks. As the home market in nw ohio, I have to watch them every sunday, and I’m not impressed.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:43 am
If this latest Kiffin rumor about March 15 contract clause and his release is true, then promote Lofton or Ryan and lets get the ball rolling. Lofton brings instant credibility to the offensive side of the ball. Kiffin has apparently lost that support in the locker room. The defense is on board with Ryan. But if Kiffin is our head coach past March 15 then that would squash the rest of the media rumors for me until next year.
March 1st, 2008 at 6:58 am
What is your point Draft Beer about the wee hours, Man this is a global society now. I live near London England. So little minded.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:16 am
The major holes we had to fill were:
1) FS -filled by Huff
2) SS – Wilson
3) DT – Perhaps ok with Kelly, Sands and Warren
4) LT- Jake Long??
5) WR – Berrian?
This means if we sign Berrian and pick Jake Long, that we have made a good effort to get upgrades at all our positions of need.
This means that all of our draft picks can be used to get extra D-Line, WR and MLB (if we want to move Kirk to the outside).
If we get Jake Long and Berriman we are on our way! Not bad for a lousy team with turmoil.
It looks like the Raiders policy of not responding to rumours and just working behind the scenes and focusing on business is working
March 1st, 2008 at 7:19 am
One last comment : If the Raiders get the players they need then I don’t give a rat’s ass if it’s Kiffin or Lofton who coaches the team. Our major problem has been lack of PLAYERS.
McClown going to Miami has no reflection on Kiffin’s status. He’s going to a team he has a chance to play for, period. I actually respect McClown..he’s tough, gritty and positive. He just can’t throw.
By the way, maybe McClown likes playing for the team with the previous year’s worst record? ha ha
March 1st, 2008 at 7:26 am
I would rather take the W/R from the cards.Younger maybe less money to sign him sorry cant remember his name.First time blogger but been reading you guys for a while.You guys crack me up with all the smack you talk sometimes….
March 1st, 2008 at 7:28 am
The smack has been coming from the media more than this site lol.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:31 am
Ryan has this year thats it im sure this is in part his doing as he is in Mr. Davis ear hole.I like gholston alot dude is a freak of nature triple teams could not work on this guy in college.He will be defensive rookie of the year teams wont double team him until his second year…
March 1st, 2008 at 7:34 am
It’s good though shows we really care about our team.We need a west coast version of ESPN.Maybe then we would be a little more informed on our mlb/nfl/nba teams and if you like nhl also…
March 1st, 2008 at 7:40 am
GHOLSTON! YEEEEEEEEAH
man-crush
March 1st, 2008 at 7:45 am
Does anyone know the official status of Sapp? Last I heard he had not yet filed his retirement papers. Not sure what that means for the Raiders, but I did find it odd.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:46 am
Any word on kwame signing yet.Not that it matters any just rollout baby.Russel will have to lose some weight so he can outrun the D/line.Iheard that he is still in town working out & studying film on last year…
March 1st, 2008 at 7:48 am
Sapp will go to Donkeys 1 more year with lynch & they both walk off into the sunset…
March 1st, 2008 at 7:50 am
Come to the Darkside.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:51 am
NC Raider
Carlisle under contract, Gallery under contract, Grove under contract. We have the interior of our line set excpet Grove is too injury prone so we probably will see Newbury but he needs to test the market first because I think he wanted more money than we thought he was worth. Morris is a backup and can play Center or Guard. Our problem is tackles. The keys are
Sims is gone – Great but now who is going to play there? Clady?? Jake Long??
Is McQuinstan going to be ok on the right side? What about Henderson? What is our thinking on bringing in Harris for a look.
Here is a thought on the #4 Pick – trade with Cleveland for Shaffer and some of their picks and Cleveland gets a fast change of pace back (if McFad is there-draft day trade) and we get our left tackle and more draft picks.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:52 am
Bob Marley @ #5 and #8, Raiderdell @ # 17 and Oakglen @ # 20, nicely done. Couldn’t agree with you more. With Chris Clemons feeling the “slighted by the offer” blues I believe the Raiders will now target Antwan Odom @ DE and hopefully will pass on Bernard Berrian and target either Bryant Johnson or my preferred candidate, DJ Hackett.
Dakota, fine piece of clarity revealed @ #67. Minor ephiphany? However, methinks ABC (used to be NBC) and the NBA have conspired to align your beloved Lakers with the trophy. A three pointer bounces over the backboard and all three refs miss it? Repeated mugging of Jarret Jack late in the fourth? Gasol makes his first appearence as a magician; disappearing act in the fourth quarter. Hardly can credit Joel Przybilla.
Brandon Wright finally getting an opportunity to showcase his skills. Perhaps Nellie’s knee-jerk reaction for venting “sourgrapes” effect failing to land the aforementioned (Pow! there goes the win streak) Gasol.
Thought PhilJacks was a bit more savvy than intimating hatched chicken eggs to the tune of “an 18 game winning streak.” openly to the talking head sect. However, the Zenmaster works in mysterious ways. . .
To those that believe one of the three highest priced FA WR’s is the way to go; with the early trend of overspending likely to take seed it is probably more resonable to expect Curry to man the Z receiver spot, hopefully Hackett @ the X and, because JLH has to be vastly improved next year the transition of a rookie WR (s) into the Raider system would be mitigated by deploying either in the slot. Talk about quality depth! WR’s 25 players deep!
If the Raiders are to eventually take a RB I like Matt Forte of Tulane. As far as WR’s, Eddie Royal of VA Tech and Jerome Simpson of Coastal Carolina (reminds me of Jacoby Jones, small school guy for the Texans) have ability, versatility, hunger and are both could prove adept special teamers. If Dakota’s scenario from post # 67 bears fruit (Matt Ryan #1 to the Fins, Jake Long to St. Louis and whatever the Falcons do), whomever is avilable @ #4; the second coming of Shaun Kemp or Chris Long would fetch @ least an additional third rounder and, if it is the Jets a loss of their second rounder could be mitigated by a Raiders second day selection. Thus, Ryan Clady, Trevor Laws and, say, either James Hardy, WR from Indiana (excess character baggage, but a sub 4.5 forty with those hands? Wow!) or Branden Albert, versatile OG from Virginia would vastly improve the Raiders state of the future on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
I know I’m throwing alot of scenarios out there, but one never knows what direction the Raiders are inclined to go. However, with the depth on the OL and @ WR I believe somehow the Raiders need to draft two of each in this draft. And I’ve been a Laws backer the entire season. Alot to admit for me; dispise the Irish big time!
Well, road trip this A.M. Am now fully awake! Next stop; Starbucks!
Late
antispy3
March 1st, 2008 at 7:52 am
so long…
to the nation it’s been a fun nine years in silver and black. sorry for all the false starts over the past few years, ’specially on third down. i also said sorry to jamarcus for allowing him to get sacked for a safety and sacked on the very last snap of the charger game . i did my best gonna miss ya’ll
March 1st, 2008 at 7:53 am
The Donkeys will “sign booger” have the Bucs D/line.Just like when they had the Browns D/line
March 1st, 2008 at 7:57 am
R8DRforLife
Fox radio is the west coast ESPN…. Their radio personalities are based in LA and the 7PM guy (West Coast time) is a Raider Fan… Their regional coverage focuses on the teams of that region more in depth as well on TV. BSPN is great because they bring in a few college games I would not be able to see other than that they suck. They almost always get it wrong and have the nasty habit of cheering on the Raiders to do something – the Raiders do it then they critize the Raiders for doing it. Randy Moss trade(s) a great example of this.
March 1st, 2008 at 7:57 am
Why dont we reunite Doucet with Jamarcus that would be good for his comfort level…
March 1st, 2008 at 7:58 am
(#138) 505Raider is right about McCown leaving: There was no way the Raiders were going to pay McCown $3+ Million per to ride the pines — mentor or not. Even Kiff understands they couldn’t get in a bidding war for him.
Good riddance J. Porter…selfish, polarizing, didn’t want to be a Raider anyway. He’ll look great in the slot for Jax.
The deal for safety Gibril Wilson is exactly what the defense needed, and he’ll be a rock in the secondary for years. What to do with Michael Huff? Huff has been exactly what the Raiders hoped, and does exactly what’s asked of him in this defense (lack of interceptions notwithstanding). Wilson and Huff have the chance to become the premier safety tandem in the league.
Free Agency: I can’t see us making too many big $$ moves, and am satisfied with the approach so far. Tommy Kelly’s “big” contract is going to be middle-of-the-pack very soon, and now he’s also locked-up for years. If he stays healthy, he’ll be worth every penny. If the Raiders add the right, last, piece to the D-line, this defense should be Top-10 in every category in the league — and Rob Ryan has no more excuses.
Of the supposed “best” available receivers on the market (Berrian or Bryant Johnson) — I say go for Johnson right now. Johnson is a great teammate, a self-motivated hard worker, and could be a #1 receiver for half the teams in this league. When Fitz and/or Boldin are out, this guy produces. He produces whenever they go his way, period. He could be had for the same money as Porter — and he really wants to prove just how good he is.
Kiff and Al? A soap opera for sure, but there have been numerous owners who didn’t get along with their coaches — and they won either in spite of, or largely because of, their relationship.
I hope Kiff’s the man — but, for the Caddy he’s going to be driving, he gets no more than a valet key for now. The team will be addressing the offense soon, and if they give him the right tools, Kiffin will have a chance to develop a great program. I really hope he gets the chance.
The question to Kiff is………Are you in?
March 1st, 2008 at 7:59 am
Good info i did not know that.thanks autumwind
March 1st, 2008 at 8:00 am
Barry S.
I know you are a hardworking high character guy but it just killed me that you would elevate for practice and beat out some player and then play worse than him in a game situation. Thats what was so sad about you…
AW
March 1st, 2008 at 8:00 am
NFLN says McCown went to the Bengals not Dolphins.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:02 am
I like the Wilson signing. I think he is going to find it hard to cover people for 15 seconds given the Raider pass rush.
We desperately need help at DT to make the Wilson deal more effective. I would not bet on Sands or Warren being anything more than they have been in the past. We need to draft ELLIS.
We need to rely on Cable knowing something we do not. The Raiders have a solution on the OL that will NOT include using their first draft pick for that position.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:09 am
Burgess not happy with the money he’s making.I smell trade with the cowgirls for a draft pick.That will hopefully give us 2 in the first round.Now what to do…
March 1st, 2008 at 8:10 am
Charlie
An interesting thought is that Warren when he played was fairly effective. If this guy can some how stay healthy, I think he and Kelly are the starters but we are thin in rotation with Sands and both Warren and Kelly are coming off injuries. There are a lot of question marks their to be sure and as I went through some of the rushing statistics this defense was not just bad against the run they were historically bad against the run last year. They gave up 24 rushing TDs leading the leagues 2nd worst by 5 TDs. Their yards per carry was the worst by 0.2 yards per carry. Some of this because the Raiders were blogging with Stu and using 4th string fodder at one Safety and teams were ripping off big runs when they should have been stopped for 10 yards but some of this was on the DL too.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:15 am
DSM,..and others,..read my post from prior Jerry entry…I was in fact wrong about no free agents visiting the island…as I said yesterday, I am hoping to be wrong with a few more free agents,…so Marley, DSM,..and all the others can take shots all day,…please feel free,…and another thing,..I hope Im wrong about Kiffin also.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:17 am
That is cuase Burgess is only a good pass rusher.Last year he was a victim of his own speed.He was so fast the R/T just let him go and the R/B woul take that hole.All do inpart to Burgess flying to the out side so quick…
March 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
1600,
The Brownies have NO 1st rd pick because of the Quinn deal and no 3rd. Thats whay they restricted their QB hoping to get those back.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
#174: Trade Burgess? I wouldn’t move him, and no team is likely give a high-enough pick to get him. This guy’s a guaranteed double-digit professional sack man — something the college kids have yet to prove they can do. The Raiders paid him well when they brought him in, and he’ll get a hefty pay raise with a great season this year. Produce, and get another nice raise.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:24 am
The cowgirls would invision Burgess & ware there for they would take the deal.Next year he would be to pricey to keep with all the money we are spending this year
March 1st, 2008 at 8:32 am
McClown to Msimi is about getting a chance to start and get paid none of which was going to happen in Oakland–JR’s the man–nothing to do with Kiffin as Jerry would suggest. I think Kiff is more like Al than we think and is playing close to the vest like he did at the beginning of the season with the QB situation. He and the staff are probably busting their A#@ off assesssing needs and trying to get the players we need.
Wilson signing sets up the secondary and Huff will be as FS as kiff said he wanted at the end of last season.
I for one am not buying into the coach problem and we are adding football players with winning attitudes.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:33 am
We can also trade rhodes & sign J jones unless he was to much to get.As long as the Donkeys dont get him
March 1st, 2008 at 8:36 am
I just wanted to give props to MaddenRaider. It’s not always easy to admit it when you make a mistake. Much respect.
My apologies for my part in the nonsense. The fact is I really enjoy your posts when they aren’t filled with venom, piss & vinegar. We don’t all have to agree but we can all still respect each other a bit more, myself included.
Have a good day.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:38 am
Maryland Raider,
I think LK and AD are sitting in AD’s office and planning every move. To tick off the media, they release it as if Kiffin has no input. But the moves so far have both their imprints. I smell deception.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:41 am
RaiderDogg,
Simply said:
Nice Post!
March 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am
Morning all…
Been checking the nfl.com list of Free Agents this morning…
Besides the usual suspects at WR: Berrian, Donte and B. Johnson…there are some young guys who have failed to meet expectations, maybe one of them can be signed on the cheap and turn it around…
Kelley Washington: Buried in NE´s bench, talented but troubled.
Keary Colbert: If only for the USC connection, Kiffin should know if he´s worth a shot.
Devard Darling: Former 3rd rounder with size and speed, failed to put it togheter in Baltimore.
Jabar Gaffney: Seems to make plays and was NE´s best receiver before Moss, Welker.
Devery Henderson: Former 2nd rounder, seems like to me like he could be the same kind of player Berrian is if he could hang on to the ball, he´s fast.
Drew Carter: Big and fast, hands questionable.
Ben Troupe: TE former 2nd rounder if you remember him coming out he was a beast, huge and fast, had a strong rookie season with 55 catches but nothing since.
We don´t ”need” a TE but for cheap money he could be worth it for depth and 2 TE packages.
None of those guys would make us feel set at WR but one might surprise us, I´d rather sign any of them than have Dwight and McFoy in the roster.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:46 am
EXLaRaiderSTH
Good point I knew about the 1st rounder but did not know about the third rounder so that probably really restricts them in giving up picks
RD for Life…
No one will trade for Rhodes because his contract is back loaded and not something good to take on. Burgess’ and Washington;s contracts on the other hand are great trade bait. Our #4 may be great trade bait if someone really wants whoever slips to #4 be it McFad or JLong (if they slip) but AD usually wants too much and rarely (never?) trades out of a high first round pick.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:47 am
Imagine the first game between the Raiders & SD super duds we have gholston they have merriman looking at eachother from opposite sidelines trying to outplay eachother.Now that would be a sight to see…
March 1st, 2008 at 8:47 am
Burgess would be outta here lickity split if we could get a #1 for him from Dallas.
Sorry, as they say, I’d be the first one helping him pack his bag.
My thinking is Richardson could start at Burgess’ spot, draft Gholston/Long at #4, and use the additional #1 on the BPA.
To be honest, I’d trade Burgess for a 3rd or better, and just keep going young.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:52 am
Marley,
Link to those names?
Colbert is available? I think he would be a great pick up along with Johnson from Az.
March 1st, 2008 at 8:53 am
With Wilson we filled our SS need, but we still need a good runstopping DT, a nr. 1 WR and one or two guys for the o-line. I think we could give up Huff to fill one of this needs, because Washington and Schweigert are not as good as Huff, but the need on the other positions is way bigger than the difference between a average and a good FS. Roy Williams would be great (I got him in Madden 08) but I doubt that the Lions will let him go. So I pray that Berrian, Stallworth Johnson or Gaffney will find the way to Oakland. Stroud is on the tradeblock, but I don’t know what positions the Jaguars got needs on. However we should bring in a good runstopper and a nr.1 Receiver and draft Long.
greez from Switzerland
March 1st, 2008 at 8:57 am
Burgess & maybe Fabian then we can also get maybe a cromartie or a W/R.Sounds good to me i think the Cowgirls would do it.Then Routt plays the slot
March 1st, 2008 at 8:58 am
I hate to be a worry wart but Huff was not Al Davis’ pick..as I remember he wanted Leinart and was angry when Shell/Ryan chose Huff…
If we do retain both Safeties this year then we are headed in the right direction.
I read the Kelly resigning logic posted by Bob Marley and agree it makes sense esp. if Denver was eyeing him. W all know how Al Davis hates Mike “Shananagans”…we already improved our roster and depleted theirs with the Gearard Warren signing…(addition by subtraction) hahaha. I am sure Al Davis did not want to let them get back at us by doing the same thing.
I guess that all those folks who said we wouldn’t get any FAs was wrong…happily. I believe I posted a few days ago that getting Wilson would make alot of sense and was hammered by someone saying he was a FS not a SS or something and I pointed out that he was previously a SS but was asked to lose weight and play FS…so I will say ” I told you so” to them.
I also like the fact that now we dont have to waste a number 1 on one of my desperation picks Kenny Phillips which I thought could have been converted to SS and let Huff roam at FS. That means that we could still desperately use a LB …HELLO…and a WR or two in FA.
Unlike everyone here I for one think we will be fine with a second tier WR like Donte Stallworth….we dont really need Bryant Johnson or Berrian to make it work guys…because we have young guys ready to step up this year…although either or both would give us a dynamic offense and I know Big Al (Darth Vader) loves that !!!
All this trade talk for Roy Williams via our 4th rounder + Huff is a miserable thought.
I also want to remind you guys that we paid Jerry Porter only 500K less than Moss…that’s right 9.5 M or some crazy number..so Berrian or Bryant Johnson would be a discount compared to that obscene number for a slacker !!! Either would also be an upgrade and keep us getting younger which is even more important.
Add the fact that both Berrian and Stallworth have ties to the Bay area and you have something that smells like this: Berrian and Stallworth in Silver and Black….you heard it first here boys…I say we get them both and Kwane at OT and there is our offense.
If we can pull this off our draft pick is obviously Gholston because that will free up Burgess and the “hounds of hell” will be unleashed. If we go after and sign Jevon Kearse..again my call…we also get a solid DE that will cause double teams and free up Burgess…either way the winner here is Burgess and the Raiders. I dont like the idea of signing anyone over 30 but Al davis has a habit as we all know of letting top notch guys play out their careers here in the hopes of a rebirth…and it has happened…most recently with Burgess.
We are stilll desperately in need of an OLB that’s a fact…so it’s decision time in Oaktown…a game changing LB (Briggs)that will cost us …say…the same as LJordan and JRhodes 8 Mil a year…gosh that’s a tough one…dump two guys we dont really need to make cap room for Briggs….ding ding ding…we have a winner.
I know that Rhodes was perfect coming off his suspension and bench warming…but we have MBush and Fargas and a deep draft of quality “young” legs available guys. I say dump them both…bring in Briggs and let’s dominate our division on D !!!
Of course all this leads to an AL Davis pick of either Gholston or DMac and either one will do the trick…one gets us off the field on D…the other keeps us on the field on O…pick your poison…
either way, if we follow my lead..we are defintely going to take our division…and that is exactly why Al Davis is spending money this year…he knows that Denver has faded..and KC isn’t even close…SD has Norv Turner…a very conservative coach, straddled with an injured QB and RB scarred from their loss in the play-offs and likely having lost their back up RB Michael Turner.
WE put together a dominant D and give Jruss some supporting cast members and look out AFC West !!!
There is fear and loathing running rampant in our opponents coaching ranks…Oakland is on the rebound and any FAs that come our way are just another nail in the coffin for KC, DENVER and SD !!!
March 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
Kearse and Burgess will reunite…Write it down…
McCown leaving is not related to Kiffin. He will compete for a starting job there, Tuna liked what the Raiders did last year with him. Put a cheap,gutsy QB in as a placeholder for the first year of a major rebuild. He will help groom Matt Ryan, and undoubtedly end up dinged up and ridin pine for year 2.
McCown will help them dink and dunk and screen their way through the year. Tuna will order “NO IMPROV..Throw that $hi* away!!”
March 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
Why are we still talking about things that are right in front of our face?
Kelly, Warren, and Sands are our DT’s. Josh Shaw is the 4th guy in the rotation, so why do we need a 5th guy?
DT is no longer a need position.
We may not like it, but it is what it is.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:01 am
Good 1 swiss raider Stroud would be good they need a C/b & we have one for sale a long with a 3rd rounder were in giggidi giggidi goooo
March 1st, 2008 at 9:01 am
Still on nfl.com´s list…
Some cheap, I´d say, options for depth at DT or if Warren gets cut later.
Ian Scott: Nothing spectacular but was a rotation guy for the Bears SB team.
Spencer Johnson: Third man in Minny´s DL rotation, played a lot, can´t say I know more.
Those 2 seem solid guys, unlike this next guy who´d be a total longshot…
Jimmy Kennedy: Typical bust and underachiever, huge at 6′4 330 but Denver got him last year and cut him before he played a down, I´d do the same, get him for the minimum and waive him at the first sign of trouble.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:03 am
#189: I’d trade Burgess for a 1st Rounder, too — but it ain’t gonna happen. I certainly wouldn’t let him go for less than a mid-round #2. Can’t teach the kind of instinct he has for sacks.
Don’t be surprised when Al trades down out of the #4 spot — allowing the team to spend the same amount on multiple players as they would for that one pick. Way too much talent in the draft at positions of need for the Raiders — and way too much guaranteed $$ being spread around right now.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:03 am
The signing of Kelly and potential signing of Kwame Harris tells me the Raiders are probably not taking both a dt and ot in rounds one and two. Since the OT position is soo deep and Long is the only OT valued in the top five, I am guessing that the Raiders will be taking Vershon Gholston. Since Chris Long will be long gone and Clemmons booked for Philly, Gholston now becomes the top player by both need and talent at the four spot. 4.6 forty time with 37 reps in the bench tells me the man is dedicated in the weight room and has that hunger. He will create pressure across from Burgess that will strike fear into OC’s across the league.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Jhill
Link:
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency
March 1st, 2008 at 9:04 am
Bob, we’re going big in FA, this year. Al’s pocketed the dradle, and he’s diggin deep. Don’t be suprised to see the TWO top WR in FA end up here after the weekend.. When have the Raider’s ever had a problem signing FA’s, even with a tight cap space…Dark lord is working it as we speak…
March 1st, 2008 at 9:06 am
Lester- -Trading down would be nice, and I agree, but when in Raiders history has it ever happened?
March 1st, 2008 at 9:08 am
I was wondering about Stroud too, but he´s 30 already and has missed 12 games the last 2 season…
If cut, look at him but giving up something for him? I´d say no thanks.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:11 am
Ian scott would be a nice addition now that they have committed to Kelly.
I agree with Tom that the Kwame Harris signing will complete the line additions for the year. Kiffin and Cable used up this years pick on Mario Henderson, and Mquistain played LT in College. I am guessing that Henderson, Mquistain, and that guy from NE will compete for LT, while Kwame Harris will start RT. Carlisle is at RG. Newberry, Morris, or Grove at center. Gallery at LG to complete the starting five.
Kiffin and cable have to make it work with either Mquistain or Henderson because they banked their futures on it.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:11 am
Bob Marley
WR list:
Remove: Kelly Washington-resigned by the Patriots yesterday.
Remove: Jabar Gaffney-resigned by the Patriots
Source Boston newspapers, Patriots.com
Your list will grow with more WR’s soon to be released.
There are more WR’s that will be released soon, wait and be patient.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:12 am
Bob PFT says Stroud wants a big raise from his currrent 5 million a year salary. i think that prices us out of the stroud sweepstakes.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:15 am
I would like Sam Baker in round two a lot, but the Raiders would have to get someone like Ian Scott in FA to make it work.
I like the idea of bring back both Bay area WR in Berrian and Stallworth. As well as having both Gholston and Kearse in the fold, but that might be too much money.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:16 am
I still think Stroud is worth it to trade for him, but speaking of cut: Al should cut LaMont or Rhodes or even both like Tom Flores mentioned before. That would create some capspace and we would be able to throw more money in the FA-market. The RB-market is just overfilled, so we won’t get anything for them in a trade and Bush could take the place behind Fargas.
I like Burgess a lot, but to trade him is not a bad idea, because you got to give up something to get better. Let’s see what Al & co. will do in the following hours and days
March 1st, 2008 at 9:18 am
Routt is the guy opposite Nmandi. He deservedly played in front of Fabes last year. Outside of that play against GB, I thought he was outstanding. 6′1 with all that speed? Why are we looking to replace him?
March 1st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Trippin: I know the talk is the Raiders have never traded down, but I’m not sure how accurate that is. Anybody on this blog have that info close-at-hand, or is it an assumption?
Regardless, I contend that nothing the team has done in the past should make us believe we can accurately predict what they’ll do this time. Al’s making the moves he thinks the team needs, and I’m sure he’d trade down in a heartbeat if the right offer came along.
I wouldn’t be surpised to see them try to move up into a top-5 spot by dangling some of their picks… especially if they sign Javon Walker to fill a WR position.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:23 am
geez I didnt realize how long that was….I do ramble at times…
March 1st, 2008 at 9:25 am
Tom
In between breakfast bites, I’m still reading your post.
Does it end?
March 1st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Oops….I wouldn’t be surpised to see the Cowboys try to move up into a top-5 spot by dangling their picks…
March 1st, 2008 at 9:26 am
I am extremely happy that everyone here jumped on the Gholston bandwagon which I have been voting for way before the combine! Everyone thought I was crazy. Everyone thought it was a reach.
Well, Gholston, ladies and gentlemen is the missing puzzle to what now appears to be a very formidable defense!
Pound the Rock. Stop the Run. Back to Basics Baby!
March 1st, 2008 at 9:30 am
Tom
Good post, best part below.
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either way, if we follow my lead..we are defintely going to take our division…and that is exactly why Al Davis is spending money this year…he knows that Denver has faded..and KC isn’t even close…SD has Norv Turner…a very conservative coach, straddled with an injured QB and RB scarred from their loss in the play-offs and likely having lost their back up RB Michael Turner.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:30 am
Dell
Ok, thanks for the update.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:31 am
POSTED 12:05 p.m. EST, March 1, 2008
BILLS HOSTING JOHNSON
As free agency gets into its second day, the Bills will soon be sniffing around a second receiver to pair with go-to guy Lee Evans.
According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, receiver Bryant Johnson is on his way to Buffalo for a visit.
Johnson was the front end of first-round back-to-back draft picks by the Cardinals in 2003. He has been overshadowed by Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald.
The guy taken right after Johnson by the Cards, defensive end/linebacker Calvin Pace, is expected to sign with another team soon.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:33 am
Lester – I wouldn’t be suprised if Al had a deal with JJ for McFadden in place. A Barber trade, their first and second…Really would suprise me. Just don’t count on it, that’s all I’m saying. I’m going to stick to Al never trading away a first rounder.He’d rather, I dunno, draft a kicker or punter than do that..lol
We will hit FA hard. Acquire both top recievers. IN comes Burgess boy Kearse. That will put Gholston and Long out of the picture. We will either have McFadden or Barber in the line up next year. I do see Sam Baker in the second, but not before getting Kwame Hrris for insurance…He was a trainwreck for the niners, but a ZBS fit…
March 1st, 2008 at 9:33 am
The Raiders will be a running football team yes, but who exactly will be getting the carries? I like the Huggy Bear Jr.-Crash Test Dummy, but he will not hold up. Love Michael Bush’ potential, but he has not played in two years. Rhodes has the goods, but as an every down back? The soonest Lamont gets cut could not be too soon for me.
Lots of Rbs in the college pool, who’ll emerge on our side?
I fear that Chris Johnson (who according to Blackholepriest could rectify both RB and WR needs) will be gone by the time our 2nd round comes around.
Good morning.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:34 am
Dell, lets not forget that jacked up ass toe either..
March 1st, 2008 at 9:35 am
An unnamed coach in the organization has commented that he is “Very Excited” about Michael Bush this year..
March 1st, 2008 at 9:37 am
I have to say I respectfully disagree with Tom Flores….
”We are stilll desperately in need of an OLB that’s a fact”
So, we sign Briggs for 6 million a year or whatever he´s asking for.
That means on passing downs, you take out either Morrison or Howard who have shown that playing the pass is one their stenghts.
Considering today´s pass happy offensive tendencies that means a whole lot of downs, I´d rather get a MLB to play the run and leave our young guys on the field on most plays.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:41 am
Just hear me out Gholston,Briggs,Nhamdi,Wilson, plus the new look D/T position if we have one.Morrison to the outside with howard.If that doesnt stop the run or at least strike fear in the eyes of an offense.What do you think.The next thing to do would be to come up with a nickname for the defense.How about “RUN AT YOUR OWN RISK” a bit long i know but i like it
March 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
Trippin,
I’m excited to have M. Bush display what he’s got as well. Could be the diamond in the rough. That’s the case then Rb is taken care of for a few years.
Marley, your assessment is as usual. On point.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:44 am
I believe Al Wilson is still out there, I was pulling for the guy about a month ago and then forgot about him, I´ll take him for way less money than Briggs a 1 or 2 year, incentive heavy deal might do it.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:46 am
I think he was hoping Briggs to replace Robert Thomas, not The Firm…I’d say bring in a cheaper guy like NE’s Lua, and make him play the run hard, leave the Pass up to the big boys..
March 1st, 2008 at 9:47 am
I say stay away from McFadden — this guy’s only 20-years-old, and he’s already spoiled and out of control. He may have crazy skills, but imagine what he’s going to be like when he can LEGALLY party wherever and whenever he wants. Another me-first attitude, this prima donna needs to go somewhere else.
Stay away from McFadden, and hope Michael Bush is everything he could’ve been before his unlucky break. If Bush is healthy, the team’s set at RB. If not, they can get a potential starter later than the #4 spot — which again, I would be shopping feverishly.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am
M…I´m sure it´s not, but thanks.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:51 am
Well it’s almost 10′oclock gotta get some $hit done today chat later
March 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
I have often sai that trading down was the right move considering we have so many “need” positions to fill on this roster and was nearly beheaded and told that Al Davis had never traded down..so I assumed it was true…
as far as trading Burgess or any other Defensive stud right now…I don’t see it happening. The possibility of a capless NFL is looming larger every day. If that happens Al Davis is gonna stock up like the old days…and be dominant once again in FA…he will hock the team if need be…sell a portion to make that a reality…(oops done that already)
I like getting younger guys because younger guys are generally more coachable, have higher motors and more to prove. Picking the right ones is the key to our success while maintaining a few vets for stability.
We picked up guys in the draft and off the waiver wires to fill in at WR and O line..we probably pick up another one in round 3 and 4 we have to go WR in round 2 to get top quality there rounds 5 and 6 are gonna be LB and WR again and round 7 another DT or DE
Of course I think we all know that Al Davis is picking Gholston in round 1 if he cant trade down…all he has to do is watch Merriman and the rage fills in his blood…Gholston or C.Long if available…
anyway as I said earlier Miami is taking Matt Ryan or C Long and Lambs are taking Jake Long to replace Orlando Pace…ATL is the wild card …Matt Ryan replaces the “Vick” experience and Dmac with his off field issues gets a pass from ATL…so they take Dorsey…
that leaves us with Gholston…Ellis is a reach but a possibility…we are set at DT thats why I truly believe its Gholston or Dmac…Al Davis doesn’t care how many bitches you impregnate as long as you save enough leg strength to run two TD’s a game hahaha. Besides Al may want sloppy seconds….
March 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
Does anyone really have any clue at all about Mario Henderson? Never heard any word at all about the kid.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:55 am
Lester – Bush’s health is absolutely 100%. If it makes you feel anybetter, Fargas got 1009 yds. on 222 carries with the exact same rod in his leg…
-I agree on McFadden. Just don’t rule him out as an AL move. Al could care less about off the field stuff. Just Win Baby..If anything, we need to draft a Brian Westbrook prototype for RB depth. We need a speedy screen guy to compliment the rest..
March 1st, 2008 at 9:57 am
The one thing the Raiders are is unpredictable. I mean Al Davis is…
What I mean by that is whatever the “cookie cutter” media “logic” is, we usually go in a different direction.
Some of these moves work and others obviously don’t.
The can’t miss and safest pick a couple of years ago was Gallery….anyone else remember?!?!
Well he isn’t exactly heading to the HOF.
Trust your team and hope for the best!!!
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March 1st, 2008 at 9:57 am
Trippin,
last week or so someone, perhaps DSM, I can’t recall, listed Justin Forsett as exactly the same size as Westbrook. And Forsett does have the heart and hands.
March 1st, 2008 at 9:58 am
AD does care about the off field issues. Remember he got burned with Robo Mr. Reefer and nude surfer QB Todd Marinovich.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
M – I like gettin all the cali guys in here. It makes sense…No more whining okey ass Randy’s..Forsett will freefall due to his size..
Raiders are talking to J. Walkers agents right now….
March 1st, 2008 at 10:02 am
Yeah, don’t forget about B. Robbins. The off-field stuff will always come back to haunt you in this day and age.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Marijuanovich!! How could I forget!!
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
Hope Javon Walker is over the self-centered-itis which afflicts so many WRs in the league.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:04 am
M…
I read somewhere that Henderson used to be a 380 pound guy who didn´t play football until, I think, his second year in High School, he started as a senior at FSU and the only opinion I have found was from Casserly who said:
”OT Mario Henderson played well against first-round picks Gaines Adams and Jarvis Moss in college. I liked this pick in the third round”.
When you consider Adamd and Moss were the top pass rushers in that class, it gives me hope.
Other than that, I don´t have a clue, never saw him play.
Oh and of course, Cable called him soft or something like that last year.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:06 am
Yalls trippin
thats right Briggs to replace Robert Thomas and Sam…why would I sit Morrison during pass plays ??? He has quietly turned into the rockstar of our defense…I am just saying we are looking much improved at D Line after drafting Gholston and bringing in Kearse at DE and SS Wilson..now lets solidify our LB core and set the tone…
I guarantee that this is AL Davis’ nod to Ryan…giving him the players he needs to either put up or shut up…
If he can’t coach his way into the top ten with this group he better pack his bags !!!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:08 am
If Gibril Wilson is so good, why didn’t the Giants attempt to match the offer?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:08 am
You bet Al worries about off-the-field stuff, because it can keep his players off the field.
The team would’ve never picked Jamarcus (and guaranteed all that money) if he had the reputation McFadden’s got. DMC might actually be a great guy, but it isn’t worth $30 Million to find out.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Maybe last year was build up the O, now it’s sure up the D, and a couple of finishing touches..
Tom – I like your thinking there. Let’s not give up on Thomas yet, tho. He does have motor. A good rotational guy, IMO.
This is make it or break it for Ryan. Al had to know he wasn’t working with a full deck last year…
March 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Einstein, I suppose you could ask that question about any free agent, right? My guess is that it came down to $$$.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Thanks Marley Esq.,
maybe the kid will develop some determination in himself, toughen up and seize his opportunity. Or maybe he is just a wasted pick as is so common for all teams.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Brown81 – Possibly.. or is it the Giants didn’t think he was worth that much? Just wondering…
March 1st, 2008 at 10:12 am
Marinovich ….that was a nightmare that had to scare AL Davis to death when he picked JRuss at number 1…
but he did it…and now its time to help him out with a supporting cast !!!
can anyone whisper…”Play-offs”…well if Big Al keeps it up…it may turn inot a roar this year !!!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:14 am
Einstein – Giants have to pay big to get Strahan back. I peeked in on a Giants board, and they’re all chewed up about it. He’s not the best coverage guy..
But tell me the last time you saw hits from the S position like this…Rod Woodson??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asDp_CO2R8g
BAWLIN!!!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:14 am
Tom Flores – Play offs? Are you f’n kidding me man? You are whispering playoffs? We don’t even have a number 1 receiver yet.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:15 am
The thing with Henderson is that he costed us 2 third round picks, he better step up, I´m not saying I expect him to become Walter Jones by week 1 but at least make a serious push for a starting job.
He´s our 3rd rounder in this draft, that´s gonna be about the 67th pick, there are 6 to 8 OT´s ranked as 1st or 2nd rounders
Long, Clady, Williams, Otah, Baker, Cherilus and possibly Nicks and Collins.
It´s likey they will all be gone when the 3rd round starts, so we would have to consider wether Henderson is a better prospect than the remaining crop of OT´s that would actually be there at the time of our lost 3rd rounder comes up.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am
Couldnt we trade down. Maybe offer our #4 pick for a reciever and a higher pick? Berrian and Stallworth are visiting today. I wouldnt mind either one but, I would love to pry Fitz away from Arizona somehow
March 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am
Yall
Lyle Alzado was not paid the big bucks AD is investing. He came from Denver, and the others were in a different money era. None would be paid today,s big bucks if it came to character issues.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:18 am
Tom Flores…
”thats right Briggs to replace Robert Thomas and Sam…why would I sit Morrison during pass plays ???”
Because on pass plays you don´t have 3 LB´s on the field, you have to sit at least one, sometimes 2.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Einstein, I see you working. Good question. But, from what I understand, he was the best safety available in FA and the Raiders have a HUGE need to improve their safety play. I think the Giants didn’t feel like paying him what they knew he could command on the open market. Maybe they feel like they have someone to replace him. I dunno, but he’s an upgrade over Stu and Eugene.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Ex – You’re right..Comparing today’s market with that of decades ago is a Strech…Gotta protect your investments by investigating character…
March 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Gholston all the way. He and Burgess will make the QB “go down hard”……and we suddenly have a complete secondary now.
I’d say we have to go with Warren (who showed good flashes, especially in the game against Indy where he DOMINATED), Sands, who needs to get it in gear and Kelly. Screw it…these guys should get the job done!
I like Tom Flores’ post. I too thought of getting both Berrian AND Stalworth. Brilliant.
And while we’re at it, why not pick up Lance Briggs and make a push for the playoffs?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:21 am
Brown81 – I completely agree. I just have a bad taste in my mouth from recent playoff/Superbowl aquisitions. i.e. Larry Brown, Desmond Howard. I am on board with this signing, I was just wondering about a few things. I agree the need at the position is worth it.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:21 am
Henerson, Mquistain, and possibly Kwame have to show and prove. I think mquistain is LT and Harris will be the RT. It is still a shaky tandem at tackle but it is better than Barry Sims and Cornell Green.
Mquis… played well at Rt last year and really solidified the right side after struggling initially against the Titans. He got a lot of the extra help from Zach Miller, Fargas, and the FB’s but he seemed like a football player. I am hoping he makes the transition to LT. The idea of Harris protecting Russell’s blind side turns my stomach.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am
Yall,
Played the link twice. WOW!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am
Hey Einstein post 242…
You came up with the Najee Mustafa-Huff comparison which was great because I love references to obscure former players…got any for Wilson?.
How about Derrick Hoskins?..Johnnie Harris?.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am
Interesting note: None of the other three teams in our division has done anything in the market so far, unless cutting and losing players counts… i.e. Neal, Turner, Walker. etc… dumb bee otches.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:24 am
Einstein, I hear you. The L. Brown/D. Howard deals killed me. I think this will wind up a little different though. Both of those guys fell into the SB MVP while Wilson simply had a solid season and hit HARD. Let’s keep our fingers crossed and go get a solid WR.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:25 am
Rasta Man – The only comparison I want for Wilson is Eric Turner or Stacey Toran. May they both RIP!!
Dan Land?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
Bob ….I have heard a number of good offensive line coaches over the years say that you should not give up too soon on young linemen as it is a hard transition from college to the NFL…So maybe there is hope for a guy like Henderson…I think he is getting some great coaching at this point from Cable.This is the first time in awhile that the line has not had to learn a new system so that should help but it also means that excuse for poor play goes off the table.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
mark my words, Chris Clemens is a one hit wonder.
undrafted
three years w/ Redskins, couldn’t crack lineup
released
picked up by Raiders
a 240 lb DE and people wonder why the run defense sucked
sure, he had 8 sacks. A few were garbage sacks, or credit where pressure came from Sapp or Burgess and Clemons was the one there to make the tackle.
If Clemens had Tyler Brayton on the other side instead of Burgess, does anyone really believe he’d get 8 sacks.
I’m glad he’s gone. The Eagles are suckers is they pay him.
That’s the problem with looking at football stats. People see Clemens with 8 sacks and think he must be great. People look at Huff and see 1 int and think he’s a bust. It’s just crazy.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
Ex: The kid’s a hitter no lie. Major upside too.
I will say it again and no more. We will aquire two of the top WR FA…
Berrian
Walker or Stallworth
As well as DE Kearse..
March 1st, 2008 at 10:27 am
What about Seattle Tackle Sean Locklear?!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
Pirat good post! One good thing to say about Clemmons was is that he was better than Quintin Moses!
March 1st, 2008 at 10:29 am
Kearse aint no tweener DE like Clemons. Bringing in an aging vet only tells me AL is seriously trying to make a run
March 1st, 2008 at 10:29 am
Einstein…
Dan Land…lol, don´t forget his benchwarming sidekick Torin Dorn.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:30 am
Rasta Man – Torin Dorn lmao.. You just “one up’d” me bro… hehe
March 1st, 2008 at 10:32 am
Is there any news on the reported Ebenezer Ekuban visit?
He missed all 2007 with a pre-season achilles injury and the Broncos aren’t battling to keep him. If he has recovered completely, Ekuban could be a nice pick-up. He was actually a 1st round pick for Dallas in 1999.
I still like the idea of trading Burgess for picks and replacing him with Gholston. I am not sure about having both Burgess and Gholston in the same line-up, as neither is great at stopping the run. Richardson, or possibly Ekuban, would have to defend the other side.
The cutting of Sims was a surprise. I know he had a big roster bonus due but I thought we would keep him for another year. We are only saving $200k by cutting him now. It does now look that we will be drafting a OT at the top of the 2nd. Hopefully Baker, but Nicks, Hills and Collins will all be around.
As we are chasing both Berian and Walker, it suggests that we won’t take a WR until Day 2. There should still be some good prospects left at the top of the 4th, including Bess, Arrington, Dexter Jackson, etc.
So, the latest Scottish mock is:
Round 1: Vernon Gholston DE
Round 2: Sam Baker OT
Round 4: Adrian Arrington WR
Round 6: Jasper Brinkley ILB
Round 7: Adam Hill C
March 1st, 2008 at 10:33 am
Another Reason the Raiders should aggressively pursue players like Berrian and Stallworth is because the way the defense is built. The Raiders defense is built to get after the QB, not stop the run. Indy’s defense is built in a similar way: speed rushers, small quick Dt’s, fast but small LB who have trouble shedding the Guards, but they run the cover two which requires more physical corners. Also Bob Sanders plays like an extra LB and get back quickly against the pass.
If Indy had an offense similar to ours, they would struggle against the run like they did in 06. The fact that Payton and Co. keep pressure on opposing teams by scoring and Indy plays ahead the over whelming majority of the time allows Indy to get away with this miniature defense.
The Raiders have the run game, but are way lacking in the receiving corps. The biggest problem with the Wr corps is that they can’t get down field. Both Stallworth and Berrian get down field very quickly which will open up the offense.
Granted Jamarcus is still going to be a few years away from being able to tap potential, but if he doesn’t even have the tools to get it done, how will they now if they can even open up the offense.
Last year the Kiffin new with out a doubt that he could not open up the offense. The possible additions of Harris, and deep threats like Berrian or Stallworth would be like taking the Raiders offensive engine from a four cylinder to a V6. If Jamarcus ain’t ready for that is another story, but at least it can open up a little bit more if needed unlike last year.
The departures of Sims and Porter are addition by subtraction if you ask me.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am
BM – Derrik Hoskins, Eddie Anderson?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am
I’d rather have Chris Canty from Dallas than Ebenezer or The Freak.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
I think Henderson only cost us this years 3rd and last years 7th
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Bob Marley Says:
March 1st, 2008 at 10:15 am
The thing with Henderson is that he costed us 2 third round picks
March 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
Correct me if I’m wrong I’m not quite sure but hasn’t it been said that Gholston’s best fit is as a 3-4 edge rusher?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Whats up with Shane Olivea from SD. He is a solid offensive tackle. I Haven’t heard much interest about him, but it seems like he would give the Raiders another option. I know he is a RT and there are a lot already, but I would like to see a solid competition at lT with the guys on the roster and someone like Olivea.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:38 am
Bob Marlery – What about the perrenial play from Deral Boykin and Darren Carrington?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Raiders2, Gholston could certainly play the edge role in a 3:4, but he does have the speed and strength to play DE in the 4:3. Unlike Chris Long.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am
another thing I don’t understand is people advocating trading F.Washington. The logic goes, we’ve got Aso and Routt looked pretty good, so we don’t need F.Wash and maybe can get a mid-round pick for him. Insanity.
Remember, you need AT LEAST three quality CBs. First, what happens if Aso or Routt get injured (remember, this is football, injuries happen often). Who steps in? C.Carr? a joke, he’s a kick returner, not a starting cb. Maybe you like ultra-raw John Bowie. I’m certainly not ready to throw the job on his lap. Chris Johnson? yeah, that inspires confidence.
I could go on, but it’s completely nutty to advocate trading one of our three corners. We desperately need all three.
On top of all this, look at F.Washington. Everybody knows how Al Davis loves freakish athletes. Al Davis traded up from the 2nd to the 1st round to get F.Wash. That’s how much he wanted the guy. Did whatever it took to get him on the team. F.Wash had a legendary combine, 4.27 speed. Al Davis drooled all over himself.
Now, say what you want about whether F.Wash has lived up to your personal expectations, but Al Davis is the only one who matters and this isn’t the kind of guy Al Davis gives up on after two years. Consider LB S.Williams. Another Al Davis favorite. Any signs of giving up on him. He didn’t give up on Aso, Fargas. The fact is, Al Davis drafts guys he likes and gives them a chance to develop. Some say he keeps them around for too long (T.Brayton, D.Gibson, etc.).
March 1st, 2008 at 10:45 am
Gholston is a great fit for the 3-4 because of his speed and potential to drop into coverage. That being said his pass rushing ability and speed would also make an amazing edge rusher like Burgess, and Dwight freeney. Teach him that bull rush that freeney has and he would be a great fit in the 4-3. The Raiders have to get better on offense for that to work because until the offense can open, opposing teams will continue to pound on the Raider defense. A 260 pound edge rusher will only be another body that will get pounded on, and one more reason not to throw the ball against the Raiders to go along with Namdi, Routt, Fabian, Huff Wilson, Burgess, Morrison, and Howard. Burgess, Morrison, and Howard are all weak at the point of attack, and my guess is that Gholston would be as well.
Bottom line the Maturation of Russell and the Raider passing game is desperately needed in Oakland.
Bernerd Berrian makes the Raiders marginally better at passing, which any improvement at whatever cost is badly needed.
WR have the biggest wash out rate of any position in the draft. The Raiders don’t need draft a rookie that will have to be developed over the next couple of years. A vetran will alow the Raiders to speed up the maturation process.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am
Einstein..
Don´t mess with Eddie Anderson, he was a good player, don´t you think?.
Frozen
A third rounder was spent on him last year and we gave up this year´s third in that trade…right?.
I might be wrong but that´s what I think happened.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am
signing Kearse reminds me of Denver signing Simeon Rice last year. Fond memories, sounded good at the time. I personally don’t think it’s the direction in which we want to go.
March 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
BM – Yeah Eddie was solid, great tackler, great hitter, hands of stone though…
Dick V – in regards to wash out receivers as it related to the Raiders, I think Tim Brown was the last receiver we drafted that was worth a damn…
March 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Bryant Johsnon anyone?
March 1st, 2008 at 10:54 am
Javon Walker-WR- Broncos Mar. 1 – 12:51 pm et
A third of the league is interested in WR Javon Walker.
At least 10 teams, including all four NFC East clubs, have been in contact with Walker. The 49ers, Bills, Bucs, Panthers, Raiders, and Vikings are also interested, but no visits have been scheduled yet.
Source: ESPN.com
March 1st, 2008 at 10:59 am
Maybe you’re right, but I thought the only 3rd we spent on him last year was the one we got from the Patsies in exchange for this years 3rd and last years 7th
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Frozen
A third rounder was spent on him last year and we gave up this year´s third in that trade…right?.
I might be wrong but that´s what I think happened.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
I think V.Gholston obviously could play 3-4 rush LB or 4-3 DE. He played DE at Ohio St. It’s not like he’s too small (6′4, 258, compared Burgess at 6′2, 260).
Size might worry me if he’s the kind of guy that would get pushed around easily.
But just look at the combine. He was stronger in the bench press than all other DLs, stronger than all the huge DTs with 4 inches and 40 lbs on him.
The only one who matched him was LT Jake Long. J.Long is 6′7, 315 and had 37 reps. Gholston at 6′4, 258 had 37 reps.
Plus add to that 4.67 speed, best vertical leap, best long jump.
This is the kind of guy we need at DE. All that being said, I’d rather have C.Long, but I really don’t believe he’ll be there.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am
crap…the whiners got Justin Smith…he was on my a list for DE ahead of Jevon Kearse…
March 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am
I missed the Lambs announcement did anyone hear who they just signed ???
March 1st, 2008 at 11:15 am
1.I am pleased @ the Gibril Wilson signing, I think it means the end of Schweigert as opposed to Huff. This was a big time move.
I am not entirely convinced the Tommy Kelly deal happens if GB doesn’t slap the franchise tag on C. Williams,but they did and I think Kelly can step up. Jacksonville is going to be really upset with Porter over the next 2 seasons, he have never stepped up to be the #1 WR he brags that he is. He is all mouth and no effort.Good riddance, hello Bernard Berrian (Donte Stallworth would be ok as well)! The last thing I have is I honestly don’t think McCowns signing with Miami has much to do with the Kiffin rumors. It looks to me to be identical to the last 2 off seasons for Josh. I think it is partly a matter of money as was stated above, but mostly I suspect Miami gave him some kind of indication that he would at the very least be able to compete for the starting QB job, if not be the starter on opening day. I think that is the bottom line, he would’ve stayed to mentor JaMarcus but Miami offered him more cash and the prospect of starting. In 2006 he signed with Detroit for that reason, and in 2007 he agreed to the trade to Oakland to be the starter. Hell, go back to his leaving AZ, because they drafted Lienart and he had no chance to start. Again see the Detroit Lions reference. He believes he is going to start at QB for the Miami Dolphins in 2008, that is why he is going there. Never mind the reality that is is not starting QB caliber.
March 1st, 2008 at 11:18 am
pirate
I think if we draft Gholston we get Ohio State bookends with Richardson/Gholston and if we sign Jevon Kearse we have pro bookends with Kearse/Burgess until the kids from Ohio State develop…
follow that logic and Early Doucet at WR or Dorsey at DT gives J Russ a teammate with which to build confidence with in the pros…
either way, after the FA signings I am expecting Al Davis to pull off ..I AM IN !!!
March 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am
2nd round could be Trevor Laws too…either guy takes care of my concerns…either a totally dominant defense and ok offense
or a good defense and better offense….
I prefer a dominant D in ‘08 and a good O with progress and hopes for the 2009 draft to complete the offense with “playmakers” at WR…and beasts on the O line. We are two dratfs away from a deep run if all goes according to plan this season…
March 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
So whatever happened to: “No free agents want to come to Oakland because of all the turmoil?????”
First day of free agency and arguably the top safety signs with us YET, “no free agents want to come to Oakland” because AL DAVIS is such a dictator. PLEASE!!!!
March 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
How the hell do you know that McCown looked at “the Kiffin situation” and decided to go elsewhere? Did you talk to him? Were you there at his meetings in Miami? Or are you just making this crap up like you guys usually do? I’d guess it was the latter to keep up this negative spin on how things are since no one talks to you people on the record.
I don’t know why I keep reading this blog crap.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Bernard Berrian to sign with Vikings – announcement forthcoming.
March 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
what about Fabian Washington’s legal troubles?
March 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Jerry,
Chris Clemons signed with Eagles today in a five year deal. It was reported on the NFL network.
Do you know what’s going on with Cooper Carlisle?
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
michael huff is a stud, not charles woodson but he’s a solid young saftey. Gibrils the man I’ve followed him for two years as he was my saftey in fantasy football two years in a row, he doesnt dissappoint. We neeed to draft deandre mcfadden as hes the best available player, unless Howies son drops which i doubt. This years gonna be tough for raider fans, as im sure jamarcus will have his ups and downs, and the defense will have to learn to move together, but they should come together fine as we have a fine young linebacking core. We need speed as are widerecieving core is probably the slowest in the league. Are future is not as dark as most precieve as the raiders have young studs at key positions i think mcfadden will solidfy are running game for years to come.
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