West’s best offseason
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 24th, 2008 at 5:36 pm in Oakland Raiders.
You want good news?
The Raiders have had the best offseason of any team in the AFC West.
RAIDERS POLL: Rate the DeAngelo Hall trade
There. That wasn’t so hard.
Of course, the Raiders are the only team that has done anything of note in the division, so bringing in DeAngelo Hall, Javon Walker, Gibril Wilson and even Kwame Harris and Drew Carter makes it a veritable landslide no matter what you think of how much they paid.
The losses _ wide receiver Jerry Porter, defensive end Chris Clemons, defensive lineman Tyler Brayton and quarteback Josh McCown _ were more than offset by the gains. They also managed to bring back Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes and Tommy Kelly, and the first two came at extremely reasonable prices.
Division play happened to be one of Oakland’s best areas of progress last season. Until faced with the murderer’s row final four of Green Bay, Indianapolis, Jacksonville and San Diego, Oakland’s back-to-back wins over the Chiefs and Broncos were one of the most positive developments of the past few seasons.
The Broncos have signed LB Boss Bailey, WR Keary Colbert, LB Niko Koutovides, S Marquand Manuel, S Marlon McCree, RB Cecil Sapp and C Casey Wiegmann.
Wiegmann has been a solid center for a long time _ possibly too long. Bailey never seemed to realize his ability in Detroit. Colbert is a No. 2 receiver at best.
The Broncos wanted no part of Walker, deciding the $5.4 bonus was too much for an unhappy player with a history of knee trouble. That risk was assumed by the Raiders at a much higher price. Denver might have second thoughts if Walker regains his form, because Brandon Marshall, the talented receiver who replaced him, has a serious right arm injury sustained in a mysterious accident.
Losing kicker Jason Elam will cost them a game. Based on recent history, it could come against Oakland.
San Diego remains the top team in the division, but they’re only significant addition is linebacker Derrick Smith, a solid if slow linebacker the 49ers didn’t want who could fit nicely as an inside linebacker. Gone is Michael Turner, a valuable No. 2 running back behind LaDainian Tomlinson.
More important to Tomlinson, fullback Lorenzo Neal was released. Count on Tomlinson to lobby hard to bring back his body guard.
As for the Chiefs, who look to be the worst team in the division by a considerable margin, they re-signed punter Dustin Colquitt, and have done little else.
Searching for QBs
Not surprising Quinn Gray signed with someone other than the Raiders. He has aspirations of being a No. 1 quarterback and JaMarcus Russell’s future begins in earnest this season. He’s got a better chance of beating out Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub.
But it leaves the Raiders in search of another quarterback to go with Russell and Andrew Walter. According to the Fresno Bee, Trent Dilfer has been contacted.
If that’s the case, he may be better suited as No. 3 and a mentor, because frankly, I’d take my chances with Walter if Russell went down.
Bad day across the bay
I was pretty dismissive of tampering charges in general a few weeks back after getting an up close look at it going right out in the open at the NFL scouting combine.
It’s bad enough that the 49ers got caught tampering. It’s even worse that they got caught tampering with a player they didn’t even get. Lance Briggs is still with the Chicago Bears.
Profootballtalk.com believes it’s the first enforced tampering charge since the Miami Dolphins lost a first-round pick when it hired Don Shula away from the Baltimore Colts 38 years ago.
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
March 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
NO!
March 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
uno
March 24th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Todd Carter? You mean Drew Carter?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
We need a run stopping DE
March 24th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
We need 10 wins and a division win.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
What happened to Brandon Marshall was that he punched his flat screen after witnessing what contract was awarded to buddy, Javon Walker.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Niners and New England both caught cheating. Damn Al is good
March 24th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Marshall wanted to be a Raider and was jealous that he had to stay with the Broncos while Javon got rewarded. Carter is very similiar in talent to Marshall isn’t he?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Ice Cream sounds SO GOOD!!! Baskin Robbins is got some killer shakes.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
As much as I hate the Broncos…in fact they are the team I hate most in our division, Brandon is a stud WR and I knew it since day one. The question is how will he produce without a legititmate WR on the other side? My guess is his production will drop.
BTW, I hate Philip Rivers more than the Broncos and Chargers combined…the guy is an a$%
He basically tried the entire Black Hole in our last home game.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Huff24
You’ve convinced me. I say draft the naked cheerleader.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
M.I.A. – No worries. Rivers will be exposed by our secondary. No question about it.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
haha.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Cant wait
March 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Huff when you get a chance I need your Fantasy expertise….
March 24th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
WTF – Think about it. How could the naked Cheerleader NOT stop the run? LT would be running around the corner and see her and his whole focus would be taken away. It would be like another defender who could do all the distractions for our team.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
A naked cheerleader could probably tackle better than sweigert, then again who wouldn’t be tackled by a naked cheerleader.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
My fantasy expertise? What makes you think I’m an expert? haha. What do you need to know?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
True.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
**Breaking News** At the wake of Brandon Marshall slipping on a McDondals bag, Al Davis pulled the trigger on another addition to the silver and black and hired the McBurglar from McDonalds as his new Defensive Coordinator.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
From the forums, to the ESPN writers, the Raider haiters are out in full force. Whether it be someone reporting that Jamarcus Russell is 300 lbs, or the forums questioning where Al is getting his money, its easy to see that everyone still hates the Raiders.
Bottom line, hate all u want. On paper, the Raiders have upgraded there team through Free Agency and might do it as well with the 4th pick in the draft next month. Regardless of how much was spent or not spent, each signing has upgraded positions within there team. Isn’t that a goal in the offseason ? For every team?
Go ahead, tell us Jamarcus is 300 pds. We’ll see it come May ( mini-camp).
Tell us Deangelo Hall is overrated. Fine, overrated or not, he’s an upgrade over Washington and Routt regardless. Great pickup and you upgraded your secondary. Who wants to throw at Aso and Hall ?
Gibril Wilson – Best Safety in Free Agency. Again, an upgrade over a guy like Schweigert by a long shot. Again, great pickup. Probably there best of the offseason considering there lack of safety all these years.
Javon Walker – One of the best WR’s available in Free Agency. Don’t think so ? Then why were there 10 teams vying for his services ? But once he hits the Raiders, uhh ohh, its a bad pickup. Again, an upgrade over Jerry Porter. Porter left, they needed some more Wide Outs and they accomplished there goal.
Drew Carter – With Walker and Curry in the Mix, you have a deep threat in Walker and a possesion guy in Curry. Add in Carter who adds to the deep post threat as your #3 and boom, again, an upgrade. No, he’s not a pro bowl caliber upgrade, but nonetheless, an upgrade and fills a need.
Kwame Harris – With Barry Sims gone, you got his replacement. Yeah, tell us Kwame is a bum and swiss cheese. Just don’t say it around Frank Gore, he might tell ya different.
Tommy Kelly – Resigning your own player never hurts. Especially when the player is still young and in his prime. Especially when your down at the DT position. Still rumbling about his contract ? ” Kelly has more skill and will have a better career than I did ” — Warren Sapp … First ballot hall of famer. “Tommy Kelly will be an absolute monster once he fully realizes his talents and abilities.” –Ed Jasper hmmm, maybe Kelly’s underpaid ?
All in all the Raiders have upgraded there defense. One of the worst in the league last year. But as the saying goes, ” theres always next year “. So far, the Raiders are the ones preparing for next year.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Great one WTF…great one.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Hah. I thought the McBurglar was sharing the same cell as Michael Vick? I mean…they wear the same clothes.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Well Done G-Raider.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I like McDonalds…
March 24th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
The thing I dont like about Fantasy Football is sometimes you get players from teams you hate. My brother was cheering for the chefs cause he had gonzalez, I couldn’t do it.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
M.I.A. Raiders, I was there for the game.. On TV they only showed the part on the field. He acted like a little brat on the bench too… Taunting the Away Sections.
Finally got to uploading some pictures I took at that Game including Sapps last stomps on our side of the field.
http://picasaweb.google.com/thirdwisher
There was a lady sitting next to me with an “I Love You SAPP” sign and he noticed it, and point at her:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ThirdWishER/RaidersVsChargersAtOakland/photo#5181039924249119458
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Dakota – Do you like McDonalds or does McDonalds like you?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Tell me about it. I have LT and Marshall. Ouch. But when it comes to fantasy, there is no preference only production. Won a PS3 last year for taking home the trophy but I am in salary cap hell. Its a keeper league.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Direct link to the pictures of Raiders vs Chargers: http://picasaweb.google.com/ThirdWishER/RaidersVsChargersAtOakland
Also got some Raiderettes in the shots.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I think I won my last 2 Fantasy leagues because of free agency. The draft screws you alot of times and you have to be on top of the free agency list and find out whos producing and thats normally how you win. Its just managing players who are up and coming and dealing with the constant injury factor. You can also play on luck. Last year I draft Drew Brees as my #1 QB. I drafted Tony Romo as my #2. Brees sucked and Romo was ranked #2 behind Manning so I flourished. Players do this all the time in fantasy.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Fortunately we do not have a McDonalds in our small humble town.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Brady was my QB all year…bitter sweet because I won the league.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
That is why im stuck. I am maxed out on salary and know who valuable it is to pick up free agents.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
RaiderMight – Good stuff.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I have never played a keeper league so I wouldn’t know where to begin. I play brand new teams each year and I play everything by ear. I couldn’t possibly predict anything right now.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
M.I.A – What does your roster look like? The other posters can just overlook the FFL talk for a few moments, I’m willing to help if I can.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
http://football30.myfantasyleague.com/2008/options?L=24911&O=07
am in my second year in a 12 man keeper league. I took the trophy home last year but with that my players jumped up in price and I am strapped in salary cap hell! The limit is $29 and I have no defense with $1.50 available. Long story short I need to make a trade probably one of my WR for lower cost RB for salary room and RB depth. This league is INTENSE!
I have had 2 trade offers so far…they are:
1.
Giving up: Wes Welker
For: 3rd Pick overall in 1st round, 3rd pick in 2nd Round, Oakland Defense and Devin Hester.
2.
Giving up: Brandon Marshall and my first (12th overall)
For: Rudi Johnson, Laverneus Coles and Jerious Norwood
March 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
PFT.com
HALL’S REAL DEAL? SEVEN YEARS, $66 MILLION
Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2008, 9:09 p.m.
The real numbers are in on the contract signed last week by Raiders cornerback DeAngelo Hall. And just like last year, when the $10 million annual average in the deal signed by cornerback Nate Clements was exposed to be worth in reality a bit over $9 million per year because the eighth year with a base salary of $16 million was literally phony, Hall’s deal has a base value of less than eight figures a season.
A league source tells us that the deal is actually worth only (only?) $66.28 million over seven years. And that works out to a yearly average of $9.467 million, less than the $9.5 million annual average of the deal signed by cornerback Asante Samuel with the Eagles.
The other $3.71 million comes from escalators tied to playing time. Hall might eventually earn those amounts, but they don’t kick in until year five, driving up the annual salaries in the out years of the deals and, as a practical matter, making it more likely that the team will opt to terminate the arrangement after four or five seasons.
Hall’s deal pays out $28.927 million over three years, $34.882 million over four, $43.126 million over five, and $53.659 over six.
The last year has a base salary of more than $12.6 million. Of course, if the salaries continue to skyrocket, $12.6 million could look like a reasonable deal come 2014.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Carefull Jerry, saying something nice about the Raiders could mean you are a closet fan. We still need a franchise LT, you know the kind that can pass block also, so trade down, trade down.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I told you Jerry a team isn’t going to make a formal charge unless they have sound evidence to that fact.
nice to see you at least admit to a degree that you were wrong for a change.
Also Jerry we as real Raider fans aren’t looking for a shill what we want is fair and objective opinions and reporting. We are more aware than you are that we’ve been at the bottom and bad decision have been made and what it will take to get things turned around.
I know it was a joke but, as you said it wasn’t as bad as you thought to be objective. No need of resusitation, see you’re just fine.
BTW thanks for a change.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
NOT SURPRISED!
An Ex niner get’s in trouble with the law (Cedrick Wilson)and the niners loose a draft pick because they have no idea what tampering is. Denver get’s a WR hurt from slipping on a cheeseburger wrapper!!!! Where are these stories and the writers that release these stories on here? and who says bay area writers aren’t biased?
March 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Jerry – props to a fine article.
Its a real breath of fresh air; keep up the good work!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Picking up on an earlier comment on the last thread, in case anyone cares….
Marshall Faulk included the Raiders in his ‘’sweet 16” of NFL teams for 08.
Basically he mentioned the Raiders and their offseason moves and Rich Eisen said: you know the top 12 teams make the playoffs, are you saying the Raiders will be fighting for the playoffs? and Faulk said: yes, if they can block for Russell they should be right behind the Chargers……not word by word but close enough.
I´m a harsh critic of the media and I´m the first to acknowledge that Faulk´s comments are just an opinion, but it´s refreshing to see someone actually come up with their own thoughts instead of just repeating the exact same rehearsed piece.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Careful there with the Fanatsy advice…don´t wanna give up your sleepers.
Remember, the plan is to start a league in one of the public sites for the people of this blog.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Great Idea Bob Marley!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
One pick in the first 3 rounds???
Bueler? Bueler? Anybody??? Is this really true??
March 24th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
MIA
Yeah, when the time comes we´ll discuss the details in here and see how many people are interested.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
MIA – My bad man, left you hanging for a moment. Had to take a work call. Anyway, option one is a great option and you have the right idea of dropping a WR for a lower priced RB. Let’s pick this back up during the season and I’ll give you my best RB that is probably being overlooked. Justin Fargas, Ryan Grant, Derick Ward, Kenny Watson…all of these guys are a good example of who you can grab before their value jumps. If you can get K.Watson now I would do it but I doubt he’s available and his value is probably too high. Sorry for the late response.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Btw Jerry, Thank you very much for some positive notes. Our team has been kicked while down oh too much in the past 5 years, while we understand you have no faith, that’s all we have left. We don’t want to look back, we just hope the future holds something better.
Thanks again for the positive notes.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
The raiders have had a solid offseason. The best move is the one that did not happen: not firing Kiffin and building on what was done last season.
The defense is one pash rusher away from being among the premier unit’s in the league.
Ultimately the offense has to be able to score to play to the strengths of the defense: defending the pass and minimizing the weakness which is that it is an undersized unit.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Yes it was great to hear Falk say the Raiders got snubbed for not being included in the NFL Network’s “Sweet 16″. He really likes what we have done in Free Agency and believes we are a playoff team if we can protect Russell and do some tackling. Let’s get the O-Line and D-Line fixed!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
By the way, on the Brando Marshall incident…
Take a look at Marshall´s history and tell me that you bought the McDonalds bag story or his newest version ”wrestling with a family member”.
- Marshall has had anger management-related issues and incidents. On March 26, 2007, he was arrested in the Highlands Ranch suburb of Denver on suspicion of domestic violence.
- Marshall also experienced legal run-ins while a student at UCF. Marshall was arrested in Orlando on charges of assault on a law enforcement officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct, and resisting an officer.
- On January 1, 2007, Marshall was present at “The Shelter,” a downtown Denver nightclub, along with teammates Javon Walker and Darrent Williams. As the players were leaving the club, Williams was fatally shot in the neck by an unknown assailant.
Walker has stated in interviews that the shooter was likely a nightclub patron whose motive was retaliation after being involved in an altercation with Marshall earlier that night.
- In the early morning of October 22, 2007, Marshall was arrested in the Denver Metro area at the intersection of 14th St. and Blake St. for driving under the influence of alcohol.
Come on.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Brandon marshall is out three months for wrestling with his family in Florida and having his arm go through a TV. He had a torn artery and lacerated tendon. He wont be able to rehabilitate until training camp.
The Bronco’s are in major trouble this season. I think this will be Coach Shananigans last season. He used his last life line with the firing of his GM. Eventually everybody is accountable fot their decisions, and he has made a lot of bad ones recently in Denver.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Bob great post marshall has always been a charecter risk. Shananigans has loaded his roster with these sort of players over the past couple of years: marshall, Kircus, Marcus Thomas, Dre Bly, Travis Henry, Jarvis Moss,…etc. His moment of truth is now, and he is going down after a 3rd straight year of missing the playoffs.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
If we sweep Denver you can pretty much count him out.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Wasn’t there also an enforced tampering charge against the Patriots when they hired Belichick away from the Jets, or something?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
major nerve damage in marshall’s arm is sure to have an effect on his play, especially getting release and breaking tackles, and blocking, which happen to be just about everthing he’s good at, add that to the fact that they no longer have walker and their aging OL is falling apart, and the fact that cutler now has to deal with hall, asomugha, wilson, and huff, i don’t see the donkeys scoring too many points on us
March 24th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
San Fran Whiners and the Denver Buncos. Karma is a hideous bitch goddess, huh?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
KC has a major rebuilding effort on offense, so that leaves Oakland and San Diego to fight for the division this season. San Diego has more pieces in place, and the raiders have more question marks, but Russell is the difference maker. If Russell is the real deal, the Raiders can make the run this year in the AFC west. He has to be able to manage the game and play well in the 4th qaurter. If he can do that the Raiders will win the west. The run game and the defense will give him plenty of cushion. He just has to be worthy of the NO. 1 pick and live up to expectations.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
The Niners are idiots. nolan has to be the stupidest coach in the NFL. Why was he calling about a player that had signed a frachise tender. If a deal is not reached by mid july, those players can not work out a deal for the rest of the season that they under the tag. They have to play out the contract and go into the offseason as a FA with the option of being franchised again.
My point is that SF could not have traded before him because he was going to be a FA either way. So they lost a 5th round pick and 5 spots in the 3rd round for inquiring on a player that they would have never traded for in the first place. Why that retard still has a job is amazing. I feel bad for niner fans when it comes to their management. Say what you want about Al, but he would fired that idiot way before he cost his team draft picks: probably after year one when he trotted Nedney out into that hurricane to kick a 70 yard field goal that got returned by Vasher for the go ahead score. Then he blamed the kicker for saying he could make the kick.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I don’t even see KC rebuilding their offense. Herm Edwards always seems to forget about the offense as he only focuses on the defense.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Dick V, and don’t forget the Chargers only have a lst a 4th and like a 6th in this years draft. So, hopefully they’re stocked up. Personally, I think everyone in Charger land thinks they are still on their way up, I think they’ve peaked, and they are on the way down. Hard.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Dick V, and let’s not forget Nolan utter bungling of his overall #1 draft choice QB. Compared to them, we are the model of consistency and efficiency. Some times when the SF press takes a look at their team, they have to unload on the Raiders. It’s the only way they can stay sane.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
agreed oakglenn, of course, they were in the AFC title last year, so the next step would be the SB, and they’ve never won that and probably never will, at least no time soon, so it’s pretty obvious the only way they have to go is down, losing lorenzo neal is going to hurt them hard, LT will have less blocking and be without a legit backup, the dolts run game will suffer significantly, and by extension put extra stress on a young QB who is coming off a significant injury(as are both of his top offensive weapons in LT and gates), oh, and he will be throwing on a limp to injured targets against the best secondary in the NFL, their D is great, when it comes to rushing the QB, but j.williams is on his last leg and they have alot to be desired at MLB, and have no Ss, the middle of their D is extremely vulnerable and it just o happens that will be the area we will attack, and expose, most, we have a very real shot at winning the division next year, if russell has the kind of year we’re all expecting then this could be a very good year
March 24th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
# RadRaider Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Niners and New England both caught cheating. Damn Al is good
……….
Sure. New England and San Francisco are just riddled with envy of us, right now. Considering their current respective downfalls, neither of them would trade places with the Raiders.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Jerry, nice way to appease the natives. Customer’s always right, huh? But you know what? I still think you’re a great reporter. And that’s as far as my criticism goes. I’m not going to bitch ad nauseam when you post something I disagree with…like some people.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Tommy I agree. Going 14-2 and then 11-6 to me is not going in the right direction. That’s a pretty good drop off. Yeah, change of coaches, yada, yada, whatever. I feel the exact same way about Lo Neal. Losing LO is gonna hurt. Charger doesn’t think so. I think so. My feeling is exactly in line with yours. Their best players on offense, LT and defense jamal Williams look like they’re leaking oil. Jamal is leaking oil badly. There is also something wrong with LT. He is not happy about something. Quietly, some of the long time Charger insiders confided in me that they thought Phillip Rivers was a “puss” in their words. Now, maybe that AFC Championship game changed their opinion. We’ll see. Personally, I think their best days are behind them.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
TT, what’s your opinion of Jam? I don’t think I’ve heard it.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Good evening there, Oakglenn.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
DeAngelo Hall is from Virginia and the local paper here did an interview with him. I thought you guys might be interested. Here it is……..
“When you say it, it does seem like a lot – seven (years) for $70 million. But I mean, the numbers are things you never really worry about. You fight for them when you’re in negotiations and you see what other guys are getting and you know you’re better than that guy, and you want more than him. But once it gets done and it’s time to play football that’s what it is, it’s time to play football.
I’m just relieved, happy to be out of a bad situation in Atlanta. A situation that wasn’t the right fit for me. I’m happy to go to Oakland where I’m wanted, to team up with (cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha), create a great secondary.
I think you can argue me and Nnamdi will probably be the two best corners ever to team up, side by side. We obviously haven’t done it yet together, but we’re both in the prime of our careers. I’m a Pro Bowl player, he’s a Pro Bowl player. It’s just going to be great to have another guy alongside me that I feel confident can hold his own weight. I don’t have to worry about teams avoiding me, because they can’t avoid both of us.
One day (Raiders owner) Al Davis and I talked contract and football for 4-1/2, 5 hours. When I came out the coaches were like, “Wow, you were in there with him all that time?” I was like, “Yeah, man, but it was fun.” He’s a football man, I’m a football man. I don’t think at any one position a player of greatness hasn’t played for him. He has a well of knowledge and I’m dying to pick his brain and learn about the business, the football side and the non-football side.
Asante Samuel, Nate Clements, those are definitely deals I looked at. But those guys are 27, 28 years old. They’re not gonna see the back end of their deals. I wanted to make sure I would be able to see the back end of mine. I didn’t want to load it with a bunch of fake numbers. I think my agents knew that coming up on my last year of my deal I’d be 30 years old. I’ve seen guys get new contracts at 32, 33. I definitely plan on playing out all the years of my contract in Oakland and getting another one in Oakland. I wanted my contract to be as realistic as possible and be able to earn every penny.
Oakland never asked me one single question about (problems in Atlanta). I think a lot of teams raised that question, especially Washington; they were a little bit leery about bringing me out there, because of all that stuff. But I repeatedly told teams, I went over the incident, how it happened, why it occurred, the lack of respect Bobby Petrino had for his players. That was evident in him picking up and just leaving in Week 13. Anybody with common sense would see the kind of person Bobby Petrino was and check my track record and background and know that I’ve never been in trouble or had problems with anybody and would brush it off. That’s what Oakland did.
Around the league, I think there’s a consensus that I’m not a bad guy. I’m a very passionate guy, I’m a very emotional player. That’s what makes me great. I’m not T.O. I’m not a Randy Moss. I’m not one of those guys you’re always reading about. I’m a guy who had one incident one time and that was that. Was it handled the wrong way? Of course, yes it was. I’ve admitted that several times. At the same time, I’m entitled to make a mistake. I’m 24 years old. So I’m relatively young in this game and have a lot to learn. With time and work and patience, I’ll one day be one of those Oakland Raiders going into the Hall of Fame.”
March 24th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Rivers is an out-of-control moron. He will have a meltdown just like Leaf did.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Have you saw Chris Carr”s comment’s after visiting the Bill”s
“Personally I want to get out of Oakland,” said Carr. “I just want a change and a shot to go somewhere else and prove I’m a starting corner or starting nickel back.
well I say dont let the door hit u in th a %%,not like we dont have better db’s and can find some better for kick returns
March 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Hall said everything right except his closing statement should have ended with an…”I’m In”.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Who else was available in the Alex Smith year?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Assassin, you’re right about the last game in Oakland. he was pretty pissed. I actually was right behind the Discharger sideline for that game with some Discharge people. Even Jamie Lee and Brittany Spears think Rivers is Trailer Trash.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Oakglenn, what is “trailer trash”?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Whoa, now that’s saying something. What was he pissed about?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
i’m still here, i don’t know about you but i’d glady trade a 4-12 team that is far more talented than their record and is on their way up with a chance to go to the playoffs for an 18-1 team that was one play away from being universally considered the best team in NFL history and who still has by far the best team in the NFL and who is all but a lock to win the SB, i would gladly trade situations with NE(as long as it says raiders on that helmet), but the whiners may be in the worst situation in all of the NFL; while we are in a good situation going into next season, i stop far short of placing us next to, or ahead, of the best team in the NFL
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
The fact that I told him Jamie Lee and Brittany thought HE was trailer trash. he didn’t like that. The Raider fans behind the bench did tho!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Thanks for the info Midwest.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
tommy that is guess who??? Don’t engage the idiot. She’s been banned now twice here. She’s been banned off other sites, yet she thinks she’s being cute. Don’t answer.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
TT, spoken like a true die hard fan.
But believe you me, there isn’t one single person in the Patriots or 49ers organization, from the owner to the freaking towel boy, saying to themselves, “I wish we were the Raiders”.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Everyone in here Warrior Fans? Am I the only Laker Fan? I hate Rivers, he is such a punk.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Oakglenn, is DeAngelo Hall “trailer trash”?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Carr has some ability. He actually played fairly well for us, all things considered. See ya.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
W’s dude.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Oakglenn, somebody who lives in a trailer could take offense to what you said, email Jerry a hundred or so times, and get you banned. See how this works?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
the whiners would gladly trade places with us, we’re on our way to a possible playoff bid while their on the verge of a top 3 pick next year and regaining the worst record in the nfl over the last few years title, everyone wishes they were the pats over the last decade, the pats and whiners are so opposite that using them in the same argument, by comaring them rather than contrasting them, is moronic, like you
why are you still here?
this has become sad
March 24th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
lakers
March 24th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Thats a nice read he sounds like a real decent guy to me.
Some of you guys say Al lost it or Al has dementia, Al is senile, etc etc and then a guy like D Hall spends 5 hours with him and comes away thoroughly impressed, funny.
Go W’s
March 24th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I really don’t want to discuss the NBA on this site, I REALLY don’t like the Flakes, but, boy do you admire their ball movement.
Tommy, I would say more pathetic than sad.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
and oakglenn, i personally believe JR will retire with the likes of brady, manning, favre, marino, and montana, he has the most outstanding physical abbilities ever to be accompanied by superb passing skills, and he is in a good situation to succeed, he will be great, he should have and average-to-good year this year with next year being a major break out year that sends him to the pro bowl
March 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Kirk….Thanks nice article…Great to hear Hall come across the way he did…optimistic but still realistic… nothing wrong with that.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Thanks for the write up Jerry, and that is a good assessment.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
this game is going alot like last night, lets hope we can get some post production before the late 3rd, if we can put some defensive pressure on GS earlier than last night we will win
March 24th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Go Lakers.
I’d like to compare us to the young Dallas Cowboys with Jimmy & Jerry. Hell, I don’t even understand why the media doesn’t slam the Cowboys and Jerry Jones like they do Al. If Al drafted Quincy Carter he would’ve been roasted up & down.
They went 1-15 in their first year, 7-9 in second, 11-5 in their 3rd, and 13-3 their 4th and the Super Bowl and won again in their 5th year.
Kiffin’s first year he starts to overhaul the roster. After one full year there are barely any of the same starters from the ‘06 team still on this squad and we win 4 games.
Kiffin’s second year should have us at the .500 mark or better.
The third year we should make the playoffs and by the fourth year we should be one of the best teams in the NFL.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Tommy, again, I completely agree. If this guy spends time in the film room, instead of at the dogfights, he is going to be really something special. it’s up to him. But, right now, he only has interest in film, not dogfights. That will probably continue, so……
March 24th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Again, trying to stay away from basketball talk, you’re going to see why I am NOT a big Don Nelson guy. What did LA outscore the W’s what 38-12 in the 3rd last nite???? Nice adjustments coach.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Spurs
March 24th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Sorry Laker fans…
I’m a TX Raider fan…:D
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Did I kill the board?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
dsm, i like the comparison between fast lane and johnson, see some similaritie, but more importantly i see similarities in the teams…
we were 4-12 this year(not 1-15)
we will be 9-7 to 10-6 next year(not 7-9)
we should be about 11-5 or 12-4 by the 3rd year(and kiff will have much more than 3)
and we should be legitimately competing for titles by the 4th
March 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Hey as long as you’re a Raider fan, K-Rock. Nice ending to the half!! Now, let’s see Nelsons adjustments, and how quickly he gives up an 11 point 3rd quarter lead.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Kobe better wake the eff up!!! I like the W’s, but I am a die – hard Laker fan!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Wishful thinking trojan i hope you’re right.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Lakers have the Chokers right where they want them.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
come on fellas this a football blog.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
kiss off 23
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
I like basketball to but im here to talk some raiders stuff
March 24th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
whatever dakota
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
hopefully we can have a 3rd similar to last night, if that happens, look for GS to lose, but seriously…we are going to get gasol back this week, and bynum in about two weeks, so this team will be very scary very soon…
and oakglenn you’re right, i don’t care if you were born and raised in iraq, as long as you’re a raider fan(and not killing people) you’re alright by me, now, if you’re a raider fan born and raised in the U.S., i guess i could live with you killing a few people……
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
It’s not like we are talking nascar for god’s sake, chill out.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I’ll agree with you there
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
sorry 23, but everyone here is eaither a GS or laker fan, alot of banter always goes back and forth and this is a big game….so we can still talk FB, but you’re going to have to live with a little BB talk tonight
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
DSM, that IS an interesting analogy between the current Raiders and the Jimmy Johnson Dallas Cowboys. Also, JJ had the overall number one pick, which he spent on Troy Aikman. Boy, Dallas fans were really questioning that about half way thru his first season. But hey, he’s on the ring of honor now. Hopefully we will have such a good return on our overall #1. BTW, the Dallas Cowboys have not won a playoff game since 1996. Thirteen years. HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
What happened to Florida Pete, he talked some tennis…something about female Russian players???
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Alright i guess i have to roll with the lakers then
March 24th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
That’s what I am talking about 23! LAKERS RULE!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
we still have more playoff wins in the last 6 years than the the cowgirls have in the last 12, any way you slice it the girls deserve alot more shit, but they’re BSPN’s team, so you’ll never hear a word against them…..until you talk to anyone who doesn’t work for BSPN, and then you realize that they’re just as universally hated as we are, if not more…
March 24th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
In order I hate the:
Broncos
Chiefs
Patriots
Cowgirls
The rest I am just indifferent about.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Im from PA and though i keep it to myself do to the fact i would be labeled as a bandwagon jumper i have always rooted for the Lakers and of course the best player in the league Kobe.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Raiders23, RR is a a horses rear-end!
There, are we done talking football now?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
In order I hate:
Broncos
Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
March 24th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
It is hard to hate the Charges because they were nothing more than doormats for so many years that I have never built up a hatred for them. A couple more years of them sweeping us and they will be placed on the list.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
RR?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Say Mista, I can see you’ve lightened up on Ryan a bit!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
There will be no more sweeping us
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
“we’re on our way to a possible playoff bid”
Possible? Well, you shot from the hip there, didn’t you?
Just so you know; Every team in the league is on their way to a ‘possible playoff bid’.
“while their”
It’s spelled, ‘They’re’, in the context in which you’re using it, Mr. USC. I actually like the school, so stop making them look bad.
“on the verge of a top 3 pick next year and regaining the worst record in the nfl over the last few years title,”
…regaining that title from whom?
” everyone wishes they were the pats over the last decade, the pats and whiners are so opposite that using them in the same argument, by comaring them rather than contrasting them, is moronic, like you”
Well, first off, I was only lumping the two organizations together in the context that neither of them want to be the Raiders, and that was it. I didn’t lump them together in any other way.
Now, regarding your calling me a moron; Remember, I’m not the one who’s:
1) Trying to make a convincing argument in support of the Raiders by only having the confidence to proclaim that they are merely on their way to a “possible playoff birth”…
2) Misspelling “They’re”, while borrowing the mascot of a major university as an avatar…
3) Mocking the 49ers record over a three year span, when the Raiders have the worst record over the previous five year span.
“why are you still here?”
It says right at the top of the page, ‘Leave a response’.
“this has become sad”
Being an ardent spokesperson for a team that’s 19-61 over 5 years, if you’re looking for something that’s sad you might want to start in your own back yard. And when you do come to that realization, believe me, I’m right there with you. This franchise has become sad.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I can’t stand LT. Though he is one of the greatest i just have a hatred for him everytime he crosses the goal line
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
The pick is going to be DMac unless C Long is on the board. Drafting DMac or Gholston is essentially upgrading an already decent position with Fargas & Burgess. C Long provides solid rushing D which from I’ve seen and heard Gholston lacks? Al loves speedy RB’s so hopefully it’s DMac.
DMac provides more to the offense then what Gholston will to the D.
It’s about W’s and high scoring offenses. Defenses do win championships, but you don’t need a top 5 D to win the Super Bowl.
Al’s giving Kiffin the keys to building a top notch offense. If Walker succeeds and Russell improves week in & week out, then our offense could become awesome with DMac in our rushing attack.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again until & hopefully after we take DMac: He’s going to provide Kiffin his type of RB combo with DMac & Bush compared to Reggie & LenDale.
If Bush is indeed fully healthy (someone pointed a couple of blogs ago, Bush isn’t a home run hitter and rarely runs longer than 20 yards)he’s capable of a long burst, but with 4.5 speed it’s not going to happen a lot.
However Bush can provide the bruising back Kiffin likes and lacks. We are going to run the ball down their throat, but will get several large gains in the passing game.
DMac will play the Reggie type RB for Kiffin and he’ll be able to utilize his speed in the zone (USC used the zone) for big time gains. FEAR.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
23 doesn’t even know who RR is ….lmao
Oak, there is nothing to say at this juncture, its March man. Did you get a copy of that SB game yet, you know you might familiarize yourself with what a DEF is supposed to be played like.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Im still here, are you even a raiders fan
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Mistabrown – What’s up chief! Looks like your boy B.Wright will be in early tonight. Biedrins is gonna foul out if he keeps this crap up.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
in order i hate:
broncos
chiefs
cowboys
chargers
colts
in order i love(and this will get me in trouble):
raiders(of course)
andthe there’s a significant drop off-
patriots
steelers
and the rest i’m relatively indifferent team although depending on the matchup, i typically have a preference for the outcome of every game, even if it has no effect on me or the raiders
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Sorry mista to disappoint you.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Rob Ryan wants these guys as part of the coaching staff:
http://flipittypes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fat_people.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
The average American eats 53 lbs of bread per year.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Un ciento treinta y nueve
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Rob Ryan.. Sorry mista i had a brain fart.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Just curious, but how many of the Raiders fans are also Lakers, and Yankees fans?
I like all 3 and have met several fans who like all 3 as well.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
http://mycognizance.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/scared-cat-cartoon-kitty-frightened-of-fat-lady-from-behind.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
and oakglenn, i personally believe JR will retire with the likes of brady, manning, favre, marino, and montana,
…………
Then he needs to get out of Oakland. No qb will ever again retire from the Raiders amongst that class, and it’s Al who won’t let it happen. Remember, the only reason Plunkett helped lead us to two Lombardis is because Dan Pastorini and Marc Wilson (Al’s guys) went down with injuries in ‘80 and ‘83, respectively.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Hey Jerious Norwood is on the blog. Awesome.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Lead down to five…bitches! lol…j/k
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
dakota, that’s hilarious, although a little below the belt//which is somehing all of those guys wish they could wear
and maddenraider, are you seriously going to call people out on typing errors on a blog post? that’s even more of a waste of time than you being here, or you being alive for that matter
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Raiders, Lakers, Cubs(was a Dodgers fan for about two seconds), LA Kings…
I thought I wanted to move to LA when I was a kid.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
# Raiders23 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Im still here, are you even a raiders fan
………..
Yes.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
f*&K the Yankees…Raiders Lakers and A’s
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I like the lakers but i did stick with 1 of my hometown teams and thats the Pirates. Go ahead and make fun but ill always like the Buccos
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Than why don’t you have faith?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Teams I hate:
Buncos
Cheats
Whiners
Dischargers
Cowgirls
All others.
Now, why do the Warriors keep bombing from 35 feet???? Why not attack the hole????
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I love the Pirates, they really help the Cubs out at the trade deadline!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“are you seriously going to call people out on typing errors on a blog post?”
If they’re making such errors while in the same breath referring to someone else as a “moron”? You bet.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
# Raiders23 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Than why don’t you have faith?
……
Why don’t you get real?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Madden Raider/whateverthefkhecallshimselftoday is a Broncos Fan from Natrona County, Wyoming.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I figured someone would pick on me. Oh well its all in good fun.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
this order
Raiders
Lakers
A’s
It’s hard to root for the A’s….they get rid of all the good players….sucks to be a small market team.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Dude just ignore the past few years and think positive. I know things havent been good but you never know what could happen.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
raiders, lakers, angels(who cares about baseball…but i guess it would have to be angels), trojans(in every college sport, although FB is the only one that really matters), and ducks(not that they matter either)
and maddenraider, why are you using the term “we” when referring to the raiders?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“that’s even more of a waste of time than you being here, or you being alive for that matter”
…..
Wishing death on me now? Wow. Touchy, touchy. Look, just take an adult course somewhere in basic grammar, and then you won’t have the problem, anymore. And then, name yourself after the mascot of that night school.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
regarding I’m still here, no one cares???
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Hip, the pirates are even a smaller market team.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Raiders
W’s
A’s
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I found a picture of Warren Sapp enjoying retirement:
http://katestelnick.com/badlands96er.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
As the Pirates have been good to the Cubs, the A’s have been excellent to the Yankees!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Well, what the hell, might as well pick sides….go Warriors!.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
“why are you using the term “we” when referring to the raiders?”
…….
Because I’m a fan of the team, and it’s commonplace for fans to refer to their favorite team as “we”. Wow. Looks like an inability to grasp basic grammar is the least of your problems, tonight…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Why are ANY OF YOU engaging that fukking idiot????? She has been banned here twice. She has been banned off other sites!!! Don’t talk to her!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Where do you find that hilarious stuff Dakota?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Great game by the way.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
true 23,
but the A’s….have had potential to take the next step….several times….then trade everything away.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Who is the she be referred to?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
maddenraider, not that i need to defend my intelligence but i have a BS in Business Administration and a Phd in Psychology, you attempting to criticize my intelligence is simply childish…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
As for college it’s WSU football, Gonzaga basketball, and WSU any other sport. Although I root for USC and/or any other PAC 10 team to beat up on any non-conference foe.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
# Who Cares???? Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
regarding I’m still here, no one cares???
.,…………
No one cares about what, my comments? Might want to scroll up and review the thread. My points are getting a lot of responses.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Hey Assassin, can you point Biedrins to the center of the hoop he missed about 6 open looks already!!
B Wright needs to choke Nellie if he dont start seein minutes! Azubukie is playin nice ball right now though.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I agree hip, they draft very well though so you atleast have something to look forward to where as the pirates look to draft the cheapest comodity around.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
maddenraider, not that i need to defend my intelligence but i have a BS in Business Administration and a Phd in Psychology, you attempting to criticize my intelligence is simply childish…
…………..
I’m just pointing out the irony in your misuse of the word “their” (a grade school error), and your actually referring to someone else as a “moron” in the same post.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Why is everyone arguing? Just talk sports and get along.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
23, “she” is maddenraider, who is currently posting under the name “i’m still here”, which is referring to the fact that he is still here after being banned multiple times from this site for posting the same BS….and no he’s not a fan, he’s a common raider hater
March 24th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Here is Jerry Jones and his gay lover:
http://www.megomuseum.com/cbmchaul/images/truckers.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
everyone, isn’t arguing, this is the common crap that maddenraider likes to pull
looks like we’ve got a good game here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Regarding post #177, who cares.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Gotcha trojan.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
23, you will never see me arguing ask OakGlenn.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Hell ya!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
You’re crazy Dakota
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
but in a good way
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Kobe 6-19
March 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Hello Nation,
Teams I hate:
1. dischargers ” worst bandwagoes” for “fans”.
2. chefs, donkeys.
3. Anyone playing the NATION.
4. Rest of the NFL.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
no responses to my 2nd and 3rd favorite teams? i expencted o be crucified
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Golden State- Never every look at Kobe’s numbers through the first 3 quarters because as you’ve seen time & time again, he can shoot 6-25 in the first 3 quarters and go 10-10 plus plenty of FT’s in the 4th.
Let’s look at his numbers at the end of the game.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Oakglenn Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Why are ANY OF YOU engaging that fukking idiot?????
…………….
That’s two violation of forum rules for you tonight, Oakglenn.
First was the “trailer trash” comment, which can be very offensive and is often used as a racial slur.
Secondly is your use of foul language, attempting to disguise it by misspelling the word, something that Jerry also said he was going to crack down on.
It was you who spent your entire Easter Sunday contacting the mods and begging them to ban just about everyone here who doesn’t agree with you, using the simple red herring that they are breaking forum rules. Tonight, you’re breaking blog rules left and right.
Don’t worry, I’m not going to email the mods. But your pathetic violations of the very same rules you spent about 16 hours yesterday whining about is on display for everyone to see.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
oh no maddenraider, there’s a spelling error…..better give some stupid childish criticism about my typing skills
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Is it time for Kiff to speak yet??
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Warriors….you are barely hanging on….and K O B E…is playing like crap…that won’t last boys…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Don´t push it Trojan.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Tommy Trojan – I recognize you’re watching the game right now but when you get a chance would you provide your thoughts on Kroy Biermann from Montana. Seems like a good guy to bring in as an undrafted FA. Productive player with little recognition.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Nice 3rd quarter.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
maddenraider, no one rats on oakglenn because he has earned our respect, you are universally hated on this blog, and for good reason…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Bring on the 4th quarter!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Good night fellow fans
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
TT, hope you guys are right about the dischargers. I live in the san diego area and LT seems a bit off. He may still be stewing about rivers not being worth his salt. Most teams have really figured out the chargers in that rivers is overated. they will never win a super bowl with him. LT is on the decline i hope we smashe his effing head off. I would like to be in rivers head when he faces up and we put 8 in the box.
Rivers has ryan leaf like qualities, he is one interception away from a meltdown.
Only one NATION in sports.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
I read somewhere that Brandon Marshal punched his t.v. upon hearing the Oakland Raiders signed Gibril Wilson and Deangelo Hall, have you heard anything about this Jerry?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Regarding anything i’m still here posts: who cares
March 24th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Teams I hate:
Chiefs- I’ve even taught my 3 year twin daughers to say Raiders No Chiefs (hate is to bad a word teach at this point).
Doncos
Dolts
Seahawks- I’m from Washington and grew up Raiders against all ‘Slugs fans and will never forget Bo against Boz.
Viqueens
Ravens- Have a weird liking for the Browns
Dolphins
I’ve always had a weird liking for the Browns, Cardinals, & Lions. I guess because they’re always underdogs.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Here is an exclusive photo of Barrett Robbins the night before the Super Bowl:
http://silversnowflake.smugmug.com/photos/62159730-O.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
uh ohhhhhh…. Kobe is heating up…. hahhaha
March 24th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Are they at Staples or what?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
no….in Oracle
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
oh no maddenraider, there’s a spelling error…..better give some stupid childish criticism about my typing skills
…………..
For the third time, I was only pointing out your spelling error because you name yourself after the mascot of a major university, and you were also referring to someone else as a “moron”.
Just for future reference, when you’re making a post referring to someone as a “moron”, it’s a more important time than ever to do a quick spell and grammar once over before hitting the submit button. Don’t get mad at me because you committed one of the biggest party fouls in cyberspace.
Also…not that I don’t concede to misspelling “violations”, but truth be told, It was a typo. I just missed the “s”. You, however, used the word “their” when “they’re” was the appropriate word to use. It was no typo. It was an error common for 3rd graders. So, I say again, stop making USC look bad. I like the school.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Thec- I agree with your post #205.
He’s completely capable of a locker room meltdown given the right circumstances. I could easily see it happening this upcoming season with Hall, Huff, and Nnamdi feasting on his stupid throws while he’s playing on the road against the Raiders.
As soon as he starts talking trash he’ll lose his cool when he tries to be like Favre and just tosses it up. The Raiders fans will be raging and giving him hell on the sidelines.
He’s ripe for the picking. I wish I could be at the game and heckle my ass off.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Sure are a lot of Laker jersey’s out there …
March 24th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
The Beard just got blocked by Sasha!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Like the Raiders…..Lake show travels extremely well!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
ROFLMAO at post #214. Man that why i read mostly all the post on this blog. Good for a laugh, every freaking time!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
maddenraider, no one rats on oakglenn because he has earned our respect, you are universally hated on this blog, and for good reason…
……
Thank you for revealing to the mods that your guys’ complaints about rule violations never had anything to do with actual rule violations, and was all along just a red herring to rid the comments section of posters that you disagree with; which will, in the long run, effect the site’s web hits and lose money for the company that owns the site. I was considering making the case to Jerry myself. But why? One of the perps himself just made the case for me. Thank you! Kindly!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Theres no way we could start a fantasy football league. Theres only so many Raiders to go around.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
assassin, biermann has the classic build of a prototype throwback MLB but has the pass rushing repertoire of a quality DE, if he can add 15 pounds i like him as a DE prospect, but right now i see him as a steal as a 3-4 MLB rather than an OLB, i think he has the skills, build, and drive to redefine the MLB position in a 3-4 D, in the right situatio of course, i would love to see him don S&B next season as a ST stud and feel he could be a good long term developmental player at either DE or MLB, but would have a great NFL career for a 3-4 team
March 24th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I know I’ve mentioned Dilfer before and people cringed, but when comparing Dilfer to McCown then IMO Dilfer fills a bigger need as he’s more experienced and can provide better leadership.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Uh oh, I used “effect” when I should have used “affect”. Hey, I’m only human. But I’m not referring to anyone as being a moron, either. But I am referring to you, and Oakglenn, and anyone else complaining to Jerry about rules violations for the sole purpose of ridding this blog of pragmatic and critical fans that you’ve coined as “raider haters”, as being disingenuous, and attempting to control the discussion in an open comments section that you guys have no authority over.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
you’re not hated for no reason, you’re hated because you constantly violate the same rules and show no respect for others, and thus earn none for yourself
March 24th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Alameda Insider, employees of an NFL franchise that’s 19-61 over the past 5 years have a lot of room making fun of anyone else. Maybe they ought to get away from the food spread and get to work…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
i still don’t understand why you spend so much time here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
that was a charge
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Thanks Trojan. I’m trying to see who we could draft as a replacement for Clemons. I didn’t even think about him as an LB. Kind of an Urlacher build when you describe him in that position. I like it. That’s why i ask you because you’re capable of thinking the whole situation through.
By the way, we do need some ST’rs. I think we improved in that area (slightly) last year. Kiffin seems to have a grip on the importance of Special Teams and I think he will put guys on the team that add value there. Jon Condo is a good example.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Why are you still here??? You;ve been banned repeatedly.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The Raiders just released a photo of Al Davis’ new ride for the upcoming training camp:
http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/uploads/funny-vehicles-2.gif
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This is a great game you guys.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
maddenraider, i would really like an honest answer why you choose to waste your time here and everyone else’s for that matter
March 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Isn’t there that kid from Hampton that Davis was high on as a DE???? I don’t think he’s big and strong and fast enough tho/
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
KB24 = STUD
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
lakers got this
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
No NO NO
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Trojan, I’m not interested in anyone’s respect here, nor do I care that any of you hate me. I don’t recall ever complaining about such things, either. So I’m not sure why you’d point it out. I was discussing Oakglenn’s blatant rules violation(s) tonight, and the irony in it, considering he spent about 16 hours in here yesterday going back and forth with the mods, trying to get people banned for “breaking the rules”. Now I’m expressing my amusement in the fact that none of you ever really did have a problem with rule violaition(s), and that you were instead just using the violations as a red herring to get “raider haters” (your guys’ term for anyone who doesn’t drink the Davis kool aid) banned from the site permanently (per your confession).
Regarding my social status here; For your information, I’m only here to indulge Jerry’s information, and discuss and debate the current status of the franchise, and Al Davis’s ability as a general manager, anymore. That’s it. Personal insults are powerless against me.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Oakglenn – Who’s the kid from Hampton? Is he on the roster or practice squad?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
If a fantasy football team were to be created, a 16 team auto pick draft could be done or even possibly creating 4, 10 team leagues.
The league could be a few weeks shorter and then taking the top 8 players from the 4 leagues (4 league champions and then the remainder would be by points scored) or other determined number, and create a post wide league.
However, I actually wouldn’t mind seeing some the jerks be part of the process and hope to see them suck like the Chargers fans they are.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
oakglenn, you’re thinking of kendall langford, who is big and explosive and has decent strength, but he has poor timed speed, he plays faster than he times and appears like a decent DE prospect but his timed speed may hold him out of the first 3 rounds, i like him though if we can get him in the 4th
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
fuk me
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Ya Ya YA YA YA!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
If they blow this game I’m gonna be pissed.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
he will miss one of these
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
maidenraider, that doesn’t explain why a non-raider fan would spend so much time here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
damn, come on odom
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Odom…….SUCKS…..at clutch free throws
March 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Also, AI, I’m not just referring to players, I’m referring to ANYONE in the Raiders’ organization, right down to the towel boys. When you’re a part of an organization that’s 19-61 in the past 5 years, should you be making fun of anyone? I know Lane Kiffin isn’t hanging around the food spread with the lifers in the organization and yukking it up about journos he doesn’t like. He’s hard at work. He’s going to use what’s left of his tenure here to gain experience for when Denver or Tampa hires him in ‘09.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
alameda, are you actually criticizing others for always being wrong?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
“G-raider Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
From the forums, to the ESPN writers, the Raider haiters are out in full force. Whether it be someone reporting that Jamarcus Russell is 300 lbs, or the forums questioning where Al is getting his money, its easy to see that everyone still hates the Raiders.
Bottom line, hate all u want. On paper, the Raiders have upgraded there team through Free Agency and might do it as well with the 4th pick in the draft next month. Regardless of how much was spent or not spent, each signing has upgraded positions within there team. Isn’t that a goal in the offseason ? For every team?
Go ahead, tell us Jamarcus is 300 pds. We’ll see it come May ( mini-camp).
Tell us Deangelo Hall is overrated. Fine, overrated or not, he’s an upgrade over Washington and Routt regardless. Great pickup and you upgraded your secondary. Who wants to throw at Aso and Hall ?
Gibril Wilson – Best Safety in Free Agency. Again, an upgrade over a guy like Schweigert by a long shot. Again, great pickup. Probably there best of the offseason considering there lack of safety all these years.
Javon Walker – One of the best WR’s available in Free Agency. Don’t think so ? Then why were there 10 teams vying for his services ? But once he hits the Raiders, uhh ohh, its a bad pickup. Again, an upgrade over Jerry Porter. Porter left, they needed some more Wide Outs and they accomplished there goal.
Drew Carter – With Walker and Curry in the Mix, you have a deep threat in Walker and a possesion guy in Curry. Add in Carter who adds to the deep post threat as your #3 and boom, again, an upgrade. No, he’s not a pro bowl caliber upgrade, but nonetheless, an upgrade and fills a need.
Kwame Harris – With Barry Sims gone, you got his replacement. Yeah, tell us Kwame is a bum and swiss cheese. Just don’t say it around Frank Gore, he might tell ya different.
Tommy Kelly – Resigning your own player never hurts. Especially when the player is still young and in his prime. Especially when your down at the DT position. Still rumbling about his contract ? ” Kelly has more skill and will have a better career than I did ” — Warren Sapp … First ballot hall of famer. “Tommy Kelly will be an absolute monster once he fully realizes his talents and abilities.” –Ed Jasper hmmm, maybe Kelly’s underpaid ?
All in all the Raiders have upgraded there defense. One of the worst in the league last year. But as the saying goes, ” theres always next year “. So far, the Raiders are the ones preparing for next year.”
Say it out and say it loud, i’m black (and silver) and i’m proud!!!! Totally agree with this, if javon walker went to the bucs or cowboys, everyone thinks it’s the right move, but when he goes to the raiders, uh-oh, bad decision.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
YES
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
WE STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
what a choke job
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
TIE GAME!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Great Game!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
maidenraider, that doesn’t explain why a non-raider fan would spend so much time here
…..
Well, that’s because I’m not a “non” Raider fan. That’s a term you coined for me, for reasons that I can only guess have to do with my refusal to drink the kool aid coming out of this organization right now, the same kool aid that you’re drowning in.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
unreal…lakers beat themselves once again.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
OT, wow, great game!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
OT, wow, great game!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Fisher got too good a look there
March 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
fish should have just stayed at the 3, he never misses from the perimeter…..but this game is awesome all around
March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
“Talk football” – Oakglenn
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Oakglenn Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
“tom, you’re exactly right. Let’s talk football, FA, draft.”
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/02/29/harris-scheduled-to-visit/
March 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
You tell her, AI.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
COUNT IT
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Kobe who???
March 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Anyone want to talk football??
March 24th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Oakglenn, I thought AI and myself were the same person?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Even if we end up splitting this 2 game set. I told you Laker fans last week in the playoffs…..NOBODY wants to play GSW!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
lets go lakers!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Oakglenn, are you talking football, again? Let us know when you change the rules, Oak. For the past two months; It’s “Talk football, guys”.
But for the past couple of hours, you want to talk basketball.
So, self proclaimed prince/tattle tale of this blog, can we talk football again?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Except for Utah..
March 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I say,kobe who????
March 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Well I see Cybil, (maddamraider) is back. Still talking to herself.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
But, for whatever reason, there are those in here that like to impersonate me from time to time,…they can duplicate the name, but not my knowledge.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
better gaurd Jackson!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
AI, I have never taken pride in being mistaken for you. Even when you were spot on when you first came here (as you now seem to be drinking the Davis kool aid, yourself), your racist views were troubling.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Is this a boxing match or a bball game? Everytime a time out is called there is a doc working on Kobe’s face.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Congrats Laker fans. You got away with one.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
And, Oakglenn will contact the mods again, ad nauseam, and eventually they’ll review the blog and find that he’s breaking the rules, too. But I’m sure Oakglenn is getting banned as well, and just resetting his modem or logging on from another location, like his rat hole in Raiders headquarters.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Nice call, reminds me of a Raider game.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Terrible Ending. Otherwise, great game.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Well said, Brown.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
This sucks
March 24th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Assassin- Getting away with one? Without having Bynum who’s a big guy w/o Bynum in the lineup really hurts our triangle.
These past two games were must-have wins for you guys. Lakers gave the Warriors a chance to win two more from them and you could only split it.
Any way I’m out.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
See, you guys talk to that effing idiot, and now there’s arguments and problems. Why is that??? For 24 hours everything has been fine, she comes back, and now there’s nothing but problems again. Why is that??
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Well, too bad the refs blew it, nice game. As a neutral observer I do wish they meet again the playoffs, even if Gasol and Bynum do make a big difference.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Assassin, I think that was a makeup artist working on Kobe. You know, for his close ups.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
DSM – I’m not challenging the fact that the Lakers are better with Bynum and Gasol. The fact is; a game was played and a bad call gave the Lakers a win.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
WTF…got away with one?!?! Should have been a no-call….Ellis was running through Fisher. Stop crying
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
He was running through him because he was being wrapped up. Read the post Bo, I gave Congrats and accepted the loss. Nobody’s cryin’.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
You better hope the Lakers fall to 2nd in West….or Warriors get the 7th spot….Lakers are better than the Warriors even without Gasol and Bynum….with them it is a sweep.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I was referring to all Warrior fans….not you specifically
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Raiders officials ref’n the Warriors game – kobe’s a B!TCH that crys 4much
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I actually like the Warriors….I hope they play somebody else in the first round….not because I think they can beat the Lakers…but because I want to root for them.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
If they had called a charge against Beard in the 4th when he elbowed Kobe the game never would have gone to overtime.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
That was sweet when they beat Dallas. I also like the Clippers….I wish they had stayed healthy….they are fun to watch too.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t expect your attention span to be A-1 considering what I already know about you, but if you’d read the comments, you’d see that it’s Lakers and Warriors fans fighting with each other, and I’m not even in it. Is there anything on the planet you don’t blame Davis critics for?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Dakota….I disagree…that probably should have been a no-call too.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Oak, go ahead, blame me for the 19-61 record. All my fault. My negative vibes, whatever… I’ll accept blame for how bad the Raiders are.
But now it’s my fault Laker and Warrior fans are going at it?
Why stop there?
Global warming?
Anything else?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
sorry about all the Laker posts…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
GO RAIDERS!
FIRE ROB RYAN!
STEP DOWN AL!
night all.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Please ignore her and she will go away!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Why apologize? It was a great game and the discussion was well deserved.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I thought because this is a big game…we could give the follwing a rest for a hour or so:
Davis v. Kiffin
Raiders crappy run D
McFadden v. D-line help
Davis Haters v. Davis Lovers
Rob Ryan Hating
Over-Spending in FA
Draft Mock – ups
Maddenraider v. the world
Trolls v. Troll hunters…
did I miss anything?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
oh yeah…
Kiffin not wearing Raider Gear…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
BJ’s hip, more like, Davis Kool Aid drinkers vs. Me.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Media hates us…
Ref’s hate us…
NFL hates us….
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Nobody’s ignoring me (obviously, yourself included), and I’m not going away. Those two things are evident.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Normally I would like to stick to at least the NFL but it was a blast discussing that NBA game with you all!! Plus a nice break from See Bo’s Post 306!! Nite all!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Yeah… but Still Here,
you go off on tangents and get personal too…I am not a Davis Fan, and nobody messes with me.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Bo, the media doesn’t care about the Raiders.
The refs do what the league tells them to do.
The NFL hates losing money, and little else.
Al Davis is irrelevant to all 3. It’s all on him to make the Raiders better.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Yeah…..I’m surprised though…
When the Raiders are good it is better for the League, in my opinion…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
What a dumb ass… I have voiced my displeasure with Davis on different occasions, but I respect others opinions as long as they don’t disrespect me….which you have a problem with the second someone doesn’t agree with you.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Goodnight, Oakglenn. Sorry your effort to get rid of everyone that disagrees with you went futile. Oh well. Guess you’ll have to just grow up and accept the fact that there are Raider fans with differing opinions of this organization than yours. Sleep well, kiddo.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Later Oak.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Well goodnight gentlemen….back to work tomorrow.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
…voiced my displeasure.
LOL. And I’m sure you just shot it right from the hip. Heck, you’re too afraid to even stick with the claim that you are “not” a Davis fan, immediately backtracking and substituting it with “I’ve voiced my displeasure”.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Boy that didn’t take long did it. See Bo Jax, let’s break this down and see what that lying troll does:
I’m still here. Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
There you have it Bo Jax. How many other fans in here are calling you timid, emasculated, and a loyal mut!!! And now you know why she is banned. What she does is tries to get everyone at each others throats on the basis of their loyalty to Davis. Fortunately, it never works, she’s a total failure, but she tries and tries, and calls names, and posts under different names, and steals other identities, and gets everyone at each others throats. Why are you even talking to her??? She is a liar, a thief, insincere, the worst human qualities. No one should talk to her. She is garbage.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Uh oh. NBA talk. The NFL Season must be officially dead. Anyone out there??
March 24th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I love it that the Chiefs have fallen on such hard times. They invested way too much in an overhyped running back, let their offensive line go to shambles, put too much confidence into a player’s coach, and now they are no threat whatsoever. Let’s hope we don’t make the same mistake they did. Four more years of this and we can catch them in the all-time head-to-head standings.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
the chiefs have no hope. The new ownership does not want to spend money to win. there toast.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
one nation, love the raider nation, but who are we kidding here, with all this big spending it means jack, they will suck again, but i will sit there each and every sunday watching no matter the outcome, hoping that despite all of al davis’s antics, hoping kiffin swallows his pride and deals with the old man, take the raiders into the elite with hard nose physical football, hard hitting, and running north and south, Jamarcus has flashes of becoming a star but still didn’t quite have the oline or receivers but we still started winning, smashing people’s heads in whoever came close, that old mystique was coming back, you can really start to hear the Autumn wind, the media was now saying how dirty the raiders are even though they are winning………ah man at least to be that way again before i die, and i’m only 34 but hey you never know when it’s time to punch, One nation I’m in…
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
LOL Big Chill, right on.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
why do you say they will suck again? If you believed that, you would have to be the craziest person in the world to spend your time following them knowing something would be painful. I don’t do that. 99% of the people here don’t do that. Look at all the comments. Most people believe we are headed in the right direction. If you really believe that, you’re a lost cause.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Who is Erik Meyer that we just signed today (3/24/08)as a quarterback?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Why is She Still Here?? Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Boy that didn’t take long did it. See Bo Jax, let’s break this down and see what that lying troll does:
I’m still here. Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
There you have it Bo Jax. How many other fans in here are calling you timid, emasculated, and a loyal mut!!! And now you know why she is banned. What she does is tries to get everyone at each others throats on the basis of their loyalty to Davis. Fortunately, it never works, she’s a total failure, but she tries and tries, and calls names, and posts under different names, and steals other identities, and gets everyone at each others throats. Why are you even talking to her??? She is a liar, a thief, insincere, the worst human qualities. No one should talk to her. She is garbage.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Good point Delta Raider. I shouldn’t sit here talking about a team that I love even though I am pessimistic about their chances. I should spend all day complaining about strangers on the internet who disagree with me, finding new ways to accuse them of being people that they are not.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Erik Meyer was a promising QB out of Eastern Washington, came out a year or two ago I think.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
By the way, since Delta Raider was too dense to pick up on the positive aspect of Big Chill’s post (and mine), the point is that we will look forward to and enjoy and cherish the upcoming Raider season(s) regardless of the outcome.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
wtf r you guys talkin about
March 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Big Chill – It’s understandable to have the opinion you have because I’ve shared those the past few years. When Randy Moss came here I thought Al was trying to rebuild a championship team. Then he put worthless coaches at the helm and I quickly had the same view you currently have. That said, this momentum shift seems to be of a different tune. Despite a 4-12 record we are making progress. It sounds contradictory because we only won 4 games but we’re definitely making significan improvement. The run game is establishing itself, our position needs are being filled by young players that have proven themselves, we have a good young coach, and our last two drafts produced a starting TE, DE, MLB, OLB, who are productive. The jury is still out on JR, Bush, and Higgins, but they appear to be more qualified to start on other teams in the NFL as opposed to players previously drafted here. Bottom line is we have talent on the roster and coach who can get it done. Most important (and I feel this is the most critical difference) Davis got competitive in the FA market early as opposed to signing has-beens after all the talent was taken. We’re not going to win 10 or 12 games but we are definitely going to be competitive during the growing process of the young talent on the team, and we have a legitimate shot at the division.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Erik Meyer:
http://websrv.ewu.edu/groups/athletics/football/05fbmeyer-kimble.pdf
#2 all-time in division I-AA passer efficiency rating for a career, completing 66% of his passes for 10,261 yards, 84 TD, 17 INT. 2005 Walter Payton award winner as the best player in Division I-AA.
He’s 6′2″, 210#. Was cut by the Seahawks in camp last year, which is not very promising since their #3 QB (David Greene) has disappointed them greatly.
His wikipedia entry is pretty funny although not very factual.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
If even an optimistic fan says that we are not going to win 10 games, then we are going to suck. I’m just sayin’.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
TrevJo – I disagree. Winning the Super Bowl is the obvious goal, but it’s not realistic to predict a 10 win season with JR not having played a full season, a new Offensive Line, A defense that hasn’t had a chance to play as unit, and a coach who doesn’t know how his horses will produce in crunch time. I don’t see a problem with accepting progress for the benefit of the future.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I don’t doubt that we will improve on our win total from last year. I think we had a decent shot at 8-8. But I think if we don’t have good luck with injuries, we are probably looking at 6-10. Still a steady improvement over the last two years. We have definitely upgraded talent at the WR and DB positions. We will upgrade talent with our first pick in the draft. Other than that we are looking at a fairly similar team to last year. We’ve made no upgrades to the pass rush and have in fact regressed in that department now that Clemons is gone. Our only upgrade in run defense is G.Wilson. I like our WRs a lot better than last year, but they are all injury prone. I have cautiously optimistic hopes for Russell, he’s got to be better than what we had last year, but the way he talks about his performances makes it seem to me that he has low standards as far as what he is pushing himself toward. Our offensive line is probably no better than it was last year at this point.
All in all I definitely think the ‘08 Raiders will be better than the ‘07 Raiders. We don’t have as many long-term solutions as I would like for expecting continued improvement in ‘09 and beyond though. We have no promising young OL, our DTs and WRs are middle aged, we have no really promising young DEs. I like our future at LB and DB, although I don’t know how long it’ll work to have such an expensive secondary. Last but not least, at the all-important position of QB, Russell has all the potential in the world, but potential is just that.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Right TCMA, I agree that the Super Bowl is not a realistic goal for the ‘08 season. My problem with the direction we are headed is that it seems like everything we are doing is geared to get as many wins as possible in ‘08, rather than build effectively for ‘09 and beyond. I don’t think our decisions have been prudent in terms of the long-term picture.* That’s all I’m saying.
(*Especially when you consider that Kiffin, a very good coach IMO, will probably be gone sooner than later, and Ryan, a crappy coach IMO, will probably stay around.)
March 25th, 2008 at 12:16 am
DeltaRaider = Oakglenn
March 25th, 2008 at 12:19 am
TrevJo – I can’t disagree with everything you said except for JR’s personal standards. Kiffin stated publicly that he didn’t want JR’s confidence to be ruined by putting him in must win situations and failing (or something like that). My guess is JR was just regurgitating what the coaches were telling him. I think he was put in games for experience and experience only, without the expectation of being great. Post game discussions between he and the coaches were probably positive and I’m assuming they told him not to worry about it, only that they put him in for experience. He probably understands the expectations coming in as the starter with a full off season and no excuses. He’s been a winner and stepped up in big games. I think he’s got the “it” factor he just doesn’t have the experience yet.
I really hope you’re wrong about Kiffin leaving and Ryan staying. I would have a hard time supporting this team if that were the case. Not because I dislike the team, rather I dislike Al Davis and hold him responsible for such stupid decisions. I really do feel that Davis is making a change for the better (regardless of how selfish it is to want to win prior to stepping down) as he was totally out of character when he spent big jack for young proven players. I don’t want to give too much credit yet, but at least he’s doing his part to provide Kiffin with talent, assuming that talent stays healthy.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am
TrevJo and Big Chill,
DeltaRaider and the poster who goes as: “Why is she still here” are Oakglenn.
Rule of thumb: Every post that immediately accuses a Davis critic of being MaddenRaider is Oakglenn, posting under one of his own many aliases. Don’t be fooled.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Oakglenn, take it easy, man. He’s not worth it. We’ve got a lot to look forward too. Just think about Hall and Aso shutting down the competition, and us going 14-2. Don’t let the haters get under your skin. You’re a fan of the best team in football, and they’re just haters.
Goodnight, everyone.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Erik Meyer appears to be a Lane Kiffin pick. If you look at his collegiate stats this guy doesn’t throw interceptions. Kiffin always stresses the importance of not turning the ball over. The kid is not built like JR but he’s got a rocket of an arm and is plenty mobile.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
You’re Nailed Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Trevjo = maddenraider = marysteed = I’m still here= Alamdeda Insider = East Bay Ray = phony Oakglenn =phony Bob Marley = Sideshow Bob = phony Tommy Trojan
March 25th, 2008 at 12:29 am
BTW, Oak, what was your plan you kept talking about yesterday, to get rid of the “trolls”, for good?
Sure you weren’t just hallucinating, like the time Joe Montana told you he wanted to be a Raider? Because all our friends are still here.
And, btw, posts number 23, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 43, 44, 45, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 110, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 220, 222, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 236, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305 and 344 were not me. They’re all sideshow bob, at it again.
It also should be known that I never performed any of my reggae music. That was sideshow bob, too.
Jerry, could you please do something about my identity being stolen?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am
I’m telling jerry on all of you, first thing in the morning!!! I’ve had enough, god dammit!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am
This is my house!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:35 am
You’re Nailed – I’ll take TrevJo from post 346 any day of the week. That was a great post and well worth the discussion. If TrevJo is the person using different alias’ that’s cool with me as long as he and I can talk football like TrevJo does. TrevJo keep bringing it. I’ve got an unusual amount of time on my hands tonight as I’m working on project that requires me to be on call thus a lot of downtime in the hotel. Can’t spend the downtime with my family so I’ll be happy to talk football with you.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Good article Jerry. I agree with you about Walter. I don’t think that guy ever had much of of a chance with the protectin he had in the time he played.
I read the Monte Poole article. Some one should show Monte how to write a sentence. Reading that stuff is like waiting for a punch line that nevers comes.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:48 am
The Raiders will be 10-6 in 2008 and make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years as wildcards. These players alone will add 6 wins to last year’s 4-12 record:
JaMarcus Russell-2 wins
Javon Walker-2 wins
DeAngelo Hall-1 win
Justin Fargas-1/2 win
Gibril Wilson-1/2 win
March 25th, 2008 at 4:13 am
In the playoffs, we will face New England in the first round, and hold Moss to 3 catches in a 19-17 victory. We will then travel to San Diego where we will outscore the Chargers 31-27. In the AFC Championship against the Jaguars, the Raiders will hold onto a 20-17 OT victory. We will face the Cowboys in the Superbowl. Rookie of the year Darren McFadden willshine against the Raiders, who traded down to Dallas from the 4 spot. The Raiders win 30-27 in the first OT game in Superbowl history!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:14 am
RaiderRaul
dont forget our #4 overall pick…whomever he is…will add at least one more game…better count on 11-5…and the division crown…because SD will have to start someone other than Rivers in ‘08 at least until mid season…if not later…and LT has no lead blocker…and the Oline is missing a guy…
yup…Raiders may just win the division folks…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:18 am
I will bet that SD and Norv go a miserable 7-9 in ‘08 and still come in 2nd in the AFC West !!!
“Lights Out” Merriman is gonna be a little upset this year after losing 5 in a row…he may just blow a gasket and get suspended for 2 – 3 games for an on field beat down of Cutler…for Cutlers’ taunting of Rivers on the sideline…on crutches…crying.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 am
BTW
Jerry
thanks for giving us something to chew on as I requested yesterday…it was getting a bit dry the last few days…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:27 am
RaiderRaul
I like it…can I have a piece of that “space cake” you brought over from Amsterdam ???
I think there is absolutely no reson to believe that exactly what you have dreamt is possible…because the Raiders are thirsty…they drank from the fountain of youth this off season and AD along with our roster got about 3 years younger…
Keep it up an dyou just may have the rest of us…drinking AD’s Kool Aid and believing that we are gonna go all the way….why not?
If we draft the right guys…and they listen to everyone around them, except the defensive coaches…and they have won championships in college…and remember how they pulled it off…and they dont listen to anything that Rob Ryan tells them…we could win….anything is possible.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:57 am
JMac
I AM NOT SURE I WOULD CALL PORTER A LOSS!!! HIM GOING AWAY IS A BLESSING. BAD ATITUDE, WORK ETHIC, NO LOVE FOR THE GAME. I WOULD HAVE RATHER KEPT JOSH AT LEAST HE SHOWED HEART ALL YEAR.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:04 am
IF KIFFIN HAS ANY CONTROL OF HIS STAFF HE SHOULD START WITH HAVING RYAN CUT THAT HAIR AND CALL MARINO OR SHULA NOT FOR ADVICE BUT HOOK HIM UP WITH SOME NUTRI SYSTEM. HELL JENNY CRAIG COULD HELP HIM BLITZ MORE THAN BUFFET LINE.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:17 am
Jerry, GREAT discription of our last four games of the season. murder’s row… That my good man is journalism at it’s very best. You deserve an award!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:33 am
Erik Meyer (SI.com Draft Analysis 2006)
Position: QB
School: E Washington
Conference: Big Sky
Ht., Wt.: 6-1, 210
40 Time: 4.72
BIO: Named the Walter Payton Award as a senior, given to the top I-AA player in the nation. Senior passing numbers included 65.6%/4,003/30/5. MVP of the Big Sky Conference as a junior, with totals of 67.8%/3,703/31/9.
POSITIVES: Ultra-productive small-school passer with an excellent feel for the position. Poised in the pocket, displays excellent vision and goes through receiver progressions. Consistently looks downfield, makes good decisions and does an excellent job commanding the offense. Leads receivers with throws and displays good pass placement.
NEGATIVES: Passes with a side-arm release. Cannot drive the ball downfield.
ANALYSIS: A competitive and intelligent signal-caller, Meyer has dominated the small-school level. His mechanics and throwing motion may pose a problem for some, yet his production coupled with outstanding accuracy will get him consideration in the late rounds.
PROJECTION: Mid Seventh Round
March 25th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
Draft McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Good Morning, Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Draft Chris Long & stop the run for once in 5yrs.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Erik Meyer is an interesting pick. And he might just be more than just a training camp arm.
In some of the early 2006 mock drafts, Meyer was actually rated .
1.Matt Leinart, USC
2. Kellen Clemons, Oregon
3. Eric Meyer, Eastern Washington
4. Ingle Martin, Furman
5. D. J. Shockley, Georgia
6. Vince Young, Texas
7. Darrell Hackney, UAB
8. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson
9. Brodie Croyle, Alabama
10. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
March 25th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Raider TW
Long will be long gone by the 4th pick if we are to believe the press. He wouldn’t be a bad pick or Gholston. Just a personal preference.
Draft the Best Available. Just not damaged goods.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Since Al Davis is so senile and has lost his mind and such, who gets credit for all the wins we will chalk up in 08?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Oops wrong button. Where was I….
As you can read in the above CBS Sportsline QB ranking for 2006, Meyer was rated ahead of Young, Croyle and Cutler. But it all went wrong. For various reasons, Meyer’s stock fell and he went from a Day One probable to undrafted. The Bengals picked him up but were never serious about him.
Meyer played ok in Europe. He then missed out on a roster place with Seattle.
He has potential, a big arm and reasonable mobility. Some scouts didn’t like his action and he didn’t come from one of the premier colleges. If he could get some quality field time and some decent coaching, he might just be around in August.
Whatever happened to Ingle Martin, Darrell Hackney and Charlie Whitehurst?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Just a side note. The motor city kitties came to the LA Coliseam and we had a front that included Townsend, Long,Golic et al. First half bottled up Barry. 2nd half, we could not stop Sanders. He could get to the outside, go up the gut untouched. Caught screens. Had a big game against us. His speed killed us. Kind of like what I envision McFadden doing to the opposition if he is there for us.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Scottish Raider,
One problem with Meyer is that he won’t get the time to develop with us either unless JaMar has an injury and then we’re in deep manure. Not sure if they would practice squad a QB as the 3rd qb normally mimics the other opponents.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:26 am
NATION picking at #4, out of the top picks anyone of them outside of a QB could help us. I would prefer we trade down, trade and stockpile. that being said I have a question Would Darren Macfadden still get the top 5 love he is getting if Adrian Peterson did not have the yearhe had?
Is the league now looking for the next “Adrian Peterson”?
AD and DM are two diffrent types of runners. the main diffrence being that AD will look to run you over, and make contact he is that strong. DM on the other had relies on speed and not so much contact.
What also needs to be considered is what made AD so good? Was it the Scheme, the o-line or both? the vikes picked up a o-lineman from seattle that used to block for S. Alexander. Notice how seattle’s run production has dropped off and the vikes have take off?
My point is this, we could put anyone in our backfield and get good results. Does putting DM in our backfield give us great results? I have seen the talk about 1-2 extra touchdowns that may or may not be valid only time or the draft will tell. Does all that speed equate to 2 extra touchdowns a game?
Does DM=Reggie Bush?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Looks like we got the best receiver from Denver, hahahaha…
Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall appeared in court Tuesday after being arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and domestic violence.
Brandon Marshall will miss the next three months after undergoing arm surgery over the weekend.
Police say Marshall was pulled over in downtown Denver shortly after 2 a.m. on October 22, 2007. His arrest came hours after the Broncos defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers 31-to-28 in Denver.
exlaraiders, that’s what the “experts” keep saying but I don’t see Parcells taking him (especially if Al asks him real nice) Atl & Rams have other needs. ANOTHER LONG FOR OAKLAND!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Draft to stop the run. Long, Gholston, Ellis, Dorsey in that order. Crush all opponents in 2008!
I’m stoked about our new secondary. Anybody else?
P.S. See you at A’s opening day next week. Look for the raider flags.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:44 am
SR, I like what we have done. I hope AL keeps it up. I want another present before the draft. Like a chad johnson something that will make bspn say see Al has lost it or dysfunctional what ever the put down is of the day. But at the end of the day the NATION will have the last laugh.
8 in the box sounds really nice. Makes a great parting gift to QB’s and OC’s when you have 2 cover corners.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Today, the only news to come out of Oakland is the signing of QB Erik Meyer. Who? Yeah, that’s what I thought too, but they do need more than two to start the season. So, I guess you think I got that tidbit from the local newswire right? That’s where I should’ve gotten it, but instead I got it from the Oakland Raiders website, under ‘transactions’.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479
March 25th, 2008 at 8:23 am
To post number 57 and JMac, The last tampering charge was against the New England Patriots when they hired Bellicheck away from the Jets.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:39 am
DRAFT MCDADDEN!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Hillary Clinton is a liar…
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html
probably not shocking to most Americans with a brain.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I think it can easily be argued that we’ve had the worst off-season in the league. By all accounts, Kiffin is a lame duck HC. We lost Clemons (a potential stud) and have yet to add a any linemen of significance to a team horribly in need. Effectively, we have 1 pick in the coming draft. Our best hope is to get a stud DT so that at least one side of the ball has the players to constitute a legitimate team (barring injury). In the mean time, we’ve got Kwame Harris as our starting lt (he sucks really bad by the way) and no center. If we get a productive stud at DT, we may win some games with D and a good punter, if Jano can make some 50+ yd field goals. That’s if Ryan doesn’t blow the lead by going soft. Which he does whenever we get a lead. Other than that we’re in great shape.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Jerrys absolutely right. On paper the Raiders have made the most positive moves out of the AFC West. KC is in the cellar, SD arrogantly do not think they need to improve any more and are letting other teams catch-up (if anything they’ve declined due to losing O’Neal and Turner).
But don’t sleep on Denver. They were racked w/ a ton of injuries last year on defense. This year they should be healthy. On offense, they’ve lost Walker which may hurt a lot more than they think.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:54 am
The Broncos have a severe shortage at WR. With Marshall slipping on the McD’s bag (wrestling with a relative) and at the least being out 3 mths and a domestic violence charge from Oct., and our signing of Walker they hace a problem. S.D. will be Turnerized this season and will go downhill. I think 10-6 takes the division.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Just read in the Newark Star Ledger that the Giants are interested in Aso?? Jerry, dakota, LMN, Scottish anybody please shed some light on this nonsense….
March 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Bo- I read the same thing. You have to remember with the cap it’s currently counting Aso’s hit to it, not taking away from it.
Once Aso is resigned, that number will drop significantly as it’ll be pro-rated.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am
if we can beef up our trenches…..WATCH OUT AMERICA. HERE COME THE RAAAAIDERS!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am
#377-Someone get this guy some Kool-Aid. Sheesh.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am
381
Actually I don’t think Aso’s number is towards the cap at all right now because he hasn’t signed the tender. I could be mistaken though
March 25th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Blat…
I completely disagree. The “line is crap” argument is the only thing lame concerning the Raiders.
The line did not give up near as many sacks last year and placed the Raiders 6th in rushing.
Simms left and was replaced with Harris.
Warren will be healthy and Kelly will move inside to DT. Why draft a DT “stud”?
The only place the line needs help is DE. Burgess and Richardson are the only DEs on the roster. Look for Oakland to go after Long or Gholsten.
You also make no mention of the WRs added to the roster and their potential value.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I’m not drinking kool-aid.
I’m tired of the “drinking kool-aid” vs. “hater” crap.
I am a fan who is looking at the team and seeing that the Raiders are filling needs.
Cable made the comment a year ago that he was thrilled with the talent the Raiders had on their o-line.
In one year he made a tremendous difference. He will have another full off-season to continue his system.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Coach Flores,
re: 356 Yeah, sure…it’s some pretty heavy stuff!!
You made a comment about the fountain of youth. Actually, the raiders have been a very young team for 3 years now. Kiffin & Al are being smarter by sign YOUNG free agents, unlike the Gruden years.
Top 5 best Young Guns:
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Thomas Howard
3. Zach Miller
4. Jay Richardson
5. Oren Oneil
March 25th, 2008 at 9:36 am
#377-I smell fake Bob Marley under another name
March 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Agreed K-Rock.
Most of us felt the 2 biggest needs were to address the DLine and get some receivers.
We’ve certainly taken care of receiver, and maintained out interior Dline. DE will surely be taken care of in the coming month, I’m expecting some pretty interesting trades in the near future.
I’m still puzzled how McFadden is being mentioned here, though. Unless of course he drops to the 6th round!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:39 am
And while we’re at it…
Top 5 Young Veterans:
1. Nnamdi Asomugha
2. DeAngelo Hall
3. Javon Walker
4. Justin Fargas
5. Kirk Morrison
notables:
Gibril Wilson, Tommy Kelly
March 25th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Kelly is far more effective at de than at dt. And we need more than 2 guys playing de anyway. I think we’ll really miss Clemons and should have signed the guy while we had a chance. I’ll be shocked if Sands and Warren and the new cast off from the giants prove anywhere near adequate. Under Cable’s system, Simms played reasonably well last year, but he’s gone. If Cable can turn Kwame Harris into an even marginally adequate lt, he should be up for sainthood. I think that requires 3 miracles. This one might be enough by itself. And as long as Jamarcus is allowed to snap the ball to himself, then we’ll be just fine.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am
I’m watching the Oilers-Bills comeback game on NFLN. Man, the oilers got jobbed!!! Looked like officials from a Raiders game.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am
derrick burgess and tommy kelly on the the outside and warren and sands in the inside…. burgess will provide pass rushing and kelly will hep with both…..warren and sands together way 665 pounds, thats a lot of meat.. they can tie up blockers so the linebackers can get to the ball carriers…. with that said we have to find someone the wants to trade up and my hope is dallas so we can get there 2 1st rounders and a 2nd 61 overall. then we can draft keith rivers a beasty linebacker the can play the run….. then also draft another DE to providedepth and also if warren or sands don’t pan out so my guess would b kaleis cambell a 6 ‘7” guy and then move kelly back into the middle to play 3 technique and with the 2nd round draft early doucet if he slips that far and if not a legit LT….. then trade washington hopefully for a 2nd rounder if not a early 3rd rounder…..
March 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I am drinking the kool-aid. I’m not going to sit here and worry about being disappointed. The Raiders have had the busiest offseason in the entire league so far, and I am enjoying it.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Top 5 Veterans:
1. Derrick Burgess
2. Shane Lechler
3. SeaBass
4. Ronald Curry
5. Cooper Carlisle
Gosh, we ARE young!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Pat Kirwan now has the Raiders trading down two spots with the Jets, he thinks they are going for Gholston and has us taking McFadden at 6th.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:49 am
So Cable can get productivity from Simms an Gallery, but he has to be a Saint to get productivity from Harris (a first round pick)
You have no basis to call Wilson a cast-off. He was a FA who was signed to another team. He is also a huge upgrade over the talent the Raiders had a FS.
Even your argument about the center posistion is weak.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Kirwin is saying both Longs as well as Dorsey will be gone before #6
And with the 6th pick of the NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select RB DARREN MCFADDEN ARKANSAS!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Kirwin is wish drafting. He wants this happen more than he really thinks it will.
I don’t buy it.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
He says the Jets might feel NE could try to move up for Gholston, hence the trade with us.
It would be good for us if the NYJ and NE start fighting for position to get Gholston, if he´s there at 4th and we want to move down we should have offers from both.
Of course, I think the Rams could draft Gholston at 2 making this a moot point and we can also decide Gholston is the player for us and reject any offers.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Sorry…
It’s Kirwan, not Kirwin.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Can I ask a serious question…
Why is the country so infatuated with us taking McFadden?
With all of the needs the Raiders have, why do people think the Raiders will draft McFadden?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
b/c its sexy K-Rock …b/c its sexy
March 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Because of Peterson.
Short term memory dictates that the “best” RB in the draft will be a stud. Simple as that. The 3 teams in front of us have true #1 RB’s, we don’t.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Not a knock on Fargas.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Before I was against picking McFadden and instead trading the pick #4 to Dallas for both their #1’s. After studying lots of clips of Dmac I now believe we cannot afford to pass on him. He is a complete back who can run (4.3 40 time), block, throw and even take snaps from center. Fargas and Rhoades are good solid RB’s, but Dmac is a homerun hitter. Combine Marcus and Bo you get Dmac.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Neither the Giants or Pats have a “franchise” back.
Not a requirement for a team to win.
Cowboys, Packers, Giants, Pats, and Colts. None of them have a so called “franchise” back.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Gotta go to class guys…later.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:17 am
K-Rock, you are right. However I believe McFadden is a RB you just can’t pass on. We do have other needs like DE, OT and OLB, but this guy does it all. If we pass on him I think he will come back to haunt us.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
K-Rock
I think that most ”analysts” really feel McFadden is a superstar in the making as well as the best player available and as such, they can´t see him not being a top 5 pick, so they almost have to place him on the Raiders due to AD´s love for speed and athletic prowess as well as his perceived unpredictable nature.
Wether it´s the right choice is up for debate and both sides make good points, I´m personally undecided about it, but I can see where both arguments come from.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Well said Raider4life. With the short life of an NFL back, Fargas has hit his peak. He is a good back with a recovering ACl injury. I should be biased toward Fargas as an USC alum but I don’t see greatness in him. I see potential greatness in McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
More like combime Pee Wee Herman and Bo and you get D-Mac
March 25th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Just hope he doesn’t turn into another Ron Dayne.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Reads like the REAL ‘BOB MARLEY” is posting.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:21 am
LOL…
I think I understand the people who were on the other side of the Russell argument last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Dakota -
I’m here now. Sorry I wasn’t around last night to take my lunps, I was watching the game at a buddys and didn’t get home until 1 am. I am here now to take my lumps.
Mike Delaney sure looks good in a Lakers jersey though! What a game winning play that he made. That ending left a foul taste in my mouth. How do you let an awesome game like that be decided by a blown call? Must all of my favorite teams get jobbed by the refs?!
Anyway, bring it on. It was a good game but the Lakers won. Season series split, which is respectable. I felt like last nights game was a playoff preview. I will tell you this, contrary to what Bo Jacksons Hip thinks the Lakers would not sweep the Warriors in a playoff series. I don’t know how he could even say that after the teams split the season series.
I am all for a first round playoff meeting. Lets do this.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Can’t find what McFaddens yards after contact are. Would like to compare those with Fargas.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:25 am
yes we would beat the Lakers in 7 we will Kobe will not get those kinds of calls in the future playing us especially in the playoffs where anything goes plus with the way we play scrappy defense we’ll be stealing the ball left and right
March 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Frozen… Actually it would be Bo & Marcus with a side of Shuan Kemp & Travis Henry. That’s the only knock on Dmac. Go to youtube.com and check this guys highlights.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:29 am
That´s as far as the media almost universally predicting McFadden to be our pick, nobody knows what the Raiders are actually thinking.
Also, when it comes to mock drafts, most in the media have only a passing interest on the Raiders and every team, they look at the Draft order and say, well, who´s next and who´s left, what do they need and that´s it.
I think fans like us have a little better perspective on what our teams should do, you know, since we watch every single game and play, as well as every single move as small and apparently meaningless as it may be.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:30 am
I’m All about being In and Drinking the damn kool-aid. What I would like to see with such a good-looking secondary is for Rob Ryan to come up with some really nice blitzing schemmes, we don’t blitz nearly enough. Al…… Let the Defense Blitz, a lot!!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:31 am
#385 K-Rock, regarding the o-line. Yes, we gave up a lot fewer sacks last year, but we still were not effective at protecting the QB. 28 teams threw more passes than we did, and we still gave up the 11th-most sacks. Losing Sims and gaining Harris is a wash. The Raiders have a lot of work to do before they can say they have respectable pass protection.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Outside of Mayock, Gosselin, Kirwan and maybe a couple of other guys who really do their homework and have contacts around the leage, the rest of the mock drafters are only guessing.
Exlaseason….
Yep, it´s the real Bob.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Anthos,
The playoff will be a different series entirely and the Lakers will have both Gasol and Bynum back. It will still be competitive but the Lakers should be favored.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Thats so damn true …these analyst are so high on McFadden having him ranked as the best player in the draft that by thei reasoning he MUST be picked say top 10 top 5 irregardless of who’s doing the picking and team needs. So they just MAKE him fit. They can’t phantom him falling out of top 10 or top 5 per say – so Raiders are by their logic the best candidate. So they always put him there.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Anthos,
The Warriors will be very lucky to win 2 games in a 7 games series against the Lakers (when healthy). They are missing their number 2 and 3 best players. They are not the Mavs!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:40 am
I hope someone comes and drafts McFadden so we will be forced to draft a d-lineman. If he is there, I think we will take him. Maybe we will trade Fargus to get back into the higher rounds.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Personally I hope that Bynum and Gasol would be back in a playoff series against the Warriors. Then I wouldn’t have to hear about the “if only’s” and “what ifs”. I want the Warriors to play the Lakers at full strength. But after last night there is always that wilcard of a ref that could sway the game one way or the other with 4 seconds left in OT…
March 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479 Good reading.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Nation,
My new conclusion: C Long will NOT fall past the #2 overall pick guaranteed!
We will choose between Gholston or D-Mac with a slight chance of trading down.
So we have a choice between getting our version of D.Ware/Merriman/J Taylor in Gholston or getting our version of LT/AP/Marcus Allen in McFadden. Tough choice but its a GOOD tough choice to have IMO
March 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Whats up with shady officiating lately trying to help out so-cal basketball clubs win games? I mean how many times do the officials have to help UCLA win games? Then Lakers get one of the most horrendous calls to win a game last night against the warriors…to give them the game (which was a great game until the crappy call) which should have never been at the end of a game like that.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Maybe the Raiders should sign Derek Fisher from the Lakers as a safety. That tackle on Monta Ellis was better than any Stu Schwag tackle!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am
I think we will end of trading Fabian for a 3rd round pick, but I think we need to acquire more picks. Jordan wouldn’t get us higher than a 5th. Right now I believe we only have a 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th. We need to find a way to get a 2nd in order to pick the best DL left. Anyone know exactly how many picks we have???
March 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am
RaiderDogg…Maria Sharapova hits harder than Lil Stui. Hopefully with D-Hall and Wilson back there we will have an above average secondary.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
We have currently have 1st, 4th, 6th, and two 7th rounders.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Honestly, IF and thats a BIG IF ..C.Long, V.Gholston are gone AND the team doesn’t believe Ellis or Dorsey can stand up at NT in the NFL then the team may just pick McFadden b/c there’s no one else. But what I’m saying is that it’ll have to be a “forced” pick. imo. The pecking order:
1. C.Long
2. V.Gholston
3. G.Dorsey
4. S.Ellis
5. maybe even R.Clady
6. then D.McFadden …but I can see them begging Dallas to trade up to avoid making this pick lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Amen Darkknight01
The problem is that the Lakers have been getting all the calls for years and when they don’t get them they cry all night until they do.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I hate the niners and I’ve just loved watching Kwame Harris getting whupped for the last few years. Now we’ve got him!!!! If you’ve ever seen him play, you know he sucks. As to Sands…he quit as soon as the ink was dry on his new contract. And finally, check the stats on our new DT. I haven’t actually seen him play, but from what I hear, he’s been a bust. Hope I’m wrong, but I really doubt he’s our next Burgess. And finally(again), who’s playing center?? I hope it aint Grove and if Newberry is signed, how long do you think he’ll play before something on his worn out body explodes?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Raider4life Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am
“RaiderDogg…Maria Sharapova hits harder than Lil Stui. Hopefully with D-Hall and Wilson back there we will have an above average secondary.”
Oh I feel really good about the Raiders secondary. It’s the Dline that concerns me. Sharapova can really lay the lumber, not really a fair comparison to Schwag.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Please!!
Either call a foul on Ellis for running right into the chest of Fisher or make a no call if they both go down.
LA looks tired right now. Pray you don’t draw them in round 1 Warriors.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Thank you DSM and Analyzer….. I just hope Aso signs the tender or Al is already working on his deal so we can lock him up with D’Hall. Man I would love to have the freak Gholston, But can you just picture Dmac in the back field
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Raiderdogg,
That call last night was horrendous and I have to admit I grew up a Laker fan here in the bay area and still root for them but I have also always rooted for the Warriors….but IF anything….that should have been a no-call. Fisher took an obvious dive and then that Donaghy coached REF saw them on the ground and then made the a call when he didn’t even see the initial contact? What crap! The official should be ashamed of himself for allowing that game to end that way.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
” Combine Marcus and Bo and you have DMAC”? Were you raised under power lines when you were young? Or did you take a likeing to paint chips?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Still no word on Takeo Spikes?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Saint -
Fisher clearly tackled Ellis, in fact he pulled him down on top of him. I saw it from every conceivable angle. If you think otherwise then you are seeing things through a Laker induced haze. Be real bro. That was a BS call and you know it. What if it was the other way around? Kobe would still be crying!
Classless on Fishers part too.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Fisher did’nt start to fall until Ellis drove straight into him.
Should have been a no call, I never want a game to end with officials!
And yes, I am a biased Laker fan!
March 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am
What it Doo Raider Nation
Yesterday morn on cold pizza they said the Raiders were getting a lot of trade offers for Nnamdi, They said the Raiders were NOT listening to any offers and they would like to see how the 2ndary played out this year with the addition to Hall before they gave Nnamdi his long term deal
March 25th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I am not so sure that Chris Long wont fall to us.
Long worked out as an OLB at his pro-day, clearly an indication that Miami wants him to play at that position. If Miami is looking for OLB, then Gholston is a much better fit, he is faster, stronger, and has some experience in coverage. Therefore:
1. Gholston to Miami
2. Jake Long to St. Louis
3. Matt Ryan or McFadden to Atlanta
4. Chris Long to Oakland
March 25th, 2008 at 11:12 am
yes the lakers will and should be at full strength in the playoffs and yes it will be a great series but like i said the whole flip flop foul thing kobe whining that ish aint gonna go down in the playoffs specially in tha biggity O where the number 1 fans are
March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I’m hopeing for Gholston myself. But if we cant get one of these top tier d-lineman, and as much as I hate to admit it, then we obviously have to take a hard look at DMC.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:15 am
you guys should take a look at peter kings si.com article about cowgirls jones wanting Mcdonaldfadden King suggests that the raiders trade the 4 pick for Dallas’ 2 firsts a second and Tank Johnson that would be a good trade I think then we can trade one of our firsts to the bungholes for C. Johnson or Julius peppers
March 25th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Why are people so negative about getting McFadden, like it is a death sentence or something? McFadden is the highest rated player in the draft, we should be so lucky to have him fall to us with the 4th pick. Turn those frowns upside down people, any one of these guys will be a great addition to this young team.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am
saintkaufman Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
“Fisher did’nt start to fall until Ellis drove straight into him.
Should have been a no call, I never want a game to end with officials!
And yes, I am a biased Laker fan!”
Go back and look at the film bro. Fisher clearly pulls Ellis into him. There really is no point in arguing over facts. Also look and you will see Kobe trying to pull his guy down as well. I guess Phil Jackson coaches plays like that. “Just drag your guy down with your back to the official and you will get the call.”
Complete nonsense.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am
BBB…
1st… I don’t think Matt Ryan will go to Atlanta, they won’t waste their 3rd overall on Matt Ryan…
2nd… Gholston to miami, hmm I think they will take a DT.
3rd I C long isn’t gone when its rams turn they will take him, if he is gone, gholston or J Long
March 25th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Bart,
I think the NEED outweighs the talent this year.
And we know where the need is.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
BBB…
it will be a death sentence! it will drag us back step in our development.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Anthos…Yeah Ocho Cinco would be real happy here. We don’t need another cancer like Randy Moss was. Dmac will be a Raider. 1200+ yds. 10+ TD’s.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Alright Dogg. You’re right.
This is like talking about the Raiders on a Charger blog.
Good luck maintaining the #8 spot. Perhaps we’ll revisit this “discussion” in May.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Alright guys…for everybody concernened about the interior line on D, I think y’all are forgetting that pass and run d work exactly the same way as running to set up the pass on offense. With a strong secondary there are simply gonna be more defenders in the box to defend the run. PLUS, our two best d-lineman were playing hurt last season….so virtue of an offseason of rest and stacking up the secondary our defense got a WHOLE lot better.
As for the draft, I think Kiff and Davis SHOULD go offensive. Think about it…we had a SOLID D two years ago and still lost 12 games. No matter how strong the D looks the Raiders still NEED to score points and hold onto the ball in order to win. Therefore, I think the scenario where Davis should pick a defensive player is Chris Long, A) Cuz he’s Howie’s son and that would just be flat out sick! And B) most importantly I think everyone agrees Long is the closest thing to a can’t miss on D. Gholston, Dorsey, etc are all question marks that high in the draft to everyone. DMC is a big play guy, and Jake Long could be the anchor on the O-line we’ve needed since Kennedy retired. Either way I think the Raiders are sitting happy in this year’s draft
March 25th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Let me try again =)
it will be a death sentence! it will drag us a step back in our development.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I feel you on the cancer part but I think Chad J is different than Moss hes’s from LA played college ball in Oregon has a gold grill why wouldnt he like to be on the raiders and if he was he wouldnt complain or hold his head lo like Moss I just think it’ll be diff if not Chad then trade Burgess for Peppers
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I agree Saint, should have been a non-call. I don’t know if Fisher dragged him down, but he wasn’t tackled by Ellis either. I hate when the refs decide games. In fact, I never want to know the refs name. If I know his name, that’s a bad sign.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
drafting for need when you were 4-12 the previous year is useless. We NEED some better players everywhere.
LMN,
I kind of agree on M. Ryan, personally I am thinking that they are taking McFadden.
Miami might take Sedrick Ellis, but that wouldn’t change my scenario that much.
The Rams might take C. Long, but right now if they had to choose between J. Long and C. Long, I think it would be a toss-up.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
saintkaufman Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
“Alright Dogg. You’re right.
This is like talking about the Raiders on a Charger blog.
Good luck maintaining the #8 spot. Perhaps we’ll revisit this “discussion” in May.”
Sounds good to me. Good luck holding onto that #1 spot, CPaul and company might have something to say about it.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:28 am
How is getting a highly coveted, dynamic offense weapon a bad thing for a team that struggled to score. DMAC creates mismatches all over the field, that is what Kiffin is looking for. Read his end of the season press-conference and then tell me that Kiffin is satisfied with the offense that we have.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Truthfully I believe the Lakers wil lbe the Number 1 seed and the warriors will be the number 8 seed
so
Warriors in 7
I B F’in Lieve
March 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Any1 watched tha A’s game last night
March 25th, 2008 at 11:30 am
i got a kick out hearing the BSPN idiot anchor last night when he did the highlights…..
he described it as “monte ellis just bowls over kobe”! and the lakers win the game.
Wow…i didn’t know BSPN are Kobe fans now?
We also know that the national media BSPN…roots against the Warriors and shows them no respect. What a joke BSPN is….so sick of them….
March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I cant see my posts
March 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Sorry Bart.
I think McFadden is alot of hype.
He’s not the quickest, not the fastest, not the biggest, does not possess great moves, etc. He was on an offense that allowed him to get the ball in alot of situations behind a GREAT OLine. His backup had 8.7YPC on 133 rushes!!!
He is a very good north and south runner. But can he get that 3rd and 2 that Fargas can?? He’d be a great kick returner, but I fear an average RB. Oh yeah, IMO.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Darknight01
I caught that 2 on bspn – how his Monte’s little a$$ gonna run over Fisher – Thats a joke – If i were a faker fan than I would just say we got away with one and leave it as that -
March 25th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I see your point on needing to score in the fourth quarter but how many times did we have the lead in the fourth quarter last year only to have the defense fold and give up the lead and the game. Look at the super bowl. The patsies had one of the, if not the, best offenses ever and the giants D shut ‘em down. Thats why they say defenses win championships.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 am
you are outnumbered in that opinion Saint. Look no further than your namesake to see the kind of weapon that McFadden can be. He is the best combination of those attributes that you mentioned and he wont have to move the pile, we have Fargas/Bush/Griffith to do the heavy lifting.
Arkansas’ line wasn’t that great, they have one guy that could get drafted. Felix Jones wasn’t his back-up, they were complimentary backs (like he and Fargas could be)
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 am
BB- To suggest Gholston or Ellis is crazy.
I obviously have a man crush on DMac and believe upgrading Fargas is no different than Gholston upgrading Burgess for as far as I can tell Gholston is a stud pass rusher but questionable as a run stopper.
C Long on the other hand is quite adept at both stopping the run and rushing the passer due to his size.
So if C Long isn’t available which upgrade do you take, RB or DE?
DMac provides immediate FEAR for the opposing D and should help transition Russell’s first year. No one is going to blitz when DMac has the ball for fear of play action to Carter/Walker. One little crease and there’ll be plenty of wide open space for a 4.33 back to burst through.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Did I miss something or did Nnamdi sign the franchise tag or something. See cornerbacks.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14247-NFL-Oakland_Raiders-Oakland_Raiders_Revised_Depth_Chart_and_Draft_Needs-230308
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Defense does win championships with the exceptions of the colts and the Rams look at all the past super bowl winners Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Buccs, the Patriot teams were pretty even but you can say they had a stronger defense so we should most def take Dline in RD1
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
BB- oops, suggest Gholston or Ellis as the number #1 overall pick is crazy.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:48 am
warriors will pone the flakers in a 7 game series!!
DRAFT BABY HOWIE
March 25th, 2008 at 11:49 am
saintkauf,
well maybe D-mac won’t be able to get the 3rd and 2’s…thats where Fargas and Bush come into play….but D-mac can sure get those 2nd down and 10…..50-60 yard TD runs!
Thats a good thing…not a bad thing…
March 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Grim…I agree we need to play a lot better on defense in the 4th quarter. Since we will be drafting D-Mac first why not see what we can do about getting Jason Taylor for a year or two. Give the Fish Fabian Washington and next years 3rd rounder. With Clemons gone we do need another DE to put pressure on the QB. Dolphins need CB’s.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:51 am
why is that crazy DSM? It needs to be a guy that Miami needs, not just the best player on the board. IMO Gholston and Ellis are better fits in the 3-4 than C. Long (if Long switches to OLB)
No arguments from me about DMAC’s skill! Nobody in the first round of this draft can protect JaMarcus “Death Star” Russell better than DMAC next year.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Post 451 Anthos, I like that a whole lot. We can really go shopping with that. I wonder if dallas is that hot and botherd over Dmac? If so lets do the dance.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
What about Bush tho if he had snaps last year and showed he can do his thing will people still be infactuated with McDMAC maybe but remember the last time a team drafted a RB with an injury his last year in College that was Willis Mcgahee hes not all that but he is good and if Bush can be something like that then why draft Dmac if AP got an injury last year and was knocked out for the season everyone would be saying no to dmac cuz looked what happened to Ap
and i know this mAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAn
March 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
If you have an offense that scores a lot of points but can’t stop the opposing teams offense then what? Hope that your defense gets lucky and gets a stop at the end of the game? I would much rather have a great defense with a mediocre offense than a great offense with a mediocre defense.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Saint- Kiffin would use DMac to get a two yard run instead of Bush or Fargas??
DMac will be part of a two-headed monster with either Fargas or Bush. One back gets the 3-4 yard gains, the other goes for 6 or more.
Some say it’s a wasted pick, but for the value we receive in having the FEAR he’ll provide is worth it’s weight in gold.
When Reggie Bush played for USC Kiffin utilized him roughly 20-25 plays a game (although he could’ve been on the field more, but didn’t see the ball) since he could rest him with LenDale White.
From what everyone saw, a speed back in this system can be awesome.
If DMac only touches the ball 20 times a game, it’ll still be worth its weight in the W’s column.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I agree with 2 firsts and the depth in the tranches of this draft if a player is there that a team wants out of those 2 first rounders that we would get from dallas then we can pretty much pick our price and partner and pick a superstar who wants out to trade for
March 25th, 2008 at 11:55 am
dsm raider,
exactly…by picking Dmac…the Raider offense becomes unpreditable and dangerous. By having a player like Dmac who can be in an eye formation or in a split back formation or line up in the slot or as a Wide-out…it would help JMarcs transition and confidence. Kiffin and Knapp will ease DMac into the offense just like AP was splitting carries with Taylor. Dmac doesn’t need to carry the ball as a RB 30 times a game….but getting him 15 touches a game is the way to g…because his presence would keep defenses off balance….big time.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:57 am
dsmraider,
exactly….Kiffin and Knapp just need to give DMac 15-20 touches a game….and have those touches be mixed up as a RB…tailback….and slot/WR. Heck…Dmac can even used for some trickery pass plays where he can throw it.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
If you can have a top 15 defense with an explosive offense, you’ll win more games than you’ll lose every time.
There’s no need for us to work towards having a top 5 D because it won’t happen, but if we can get into the top 15 then we’ll be looking pretty good with a sharp offense.
If your offense can score 25 points a game and your D gives up 21 points a game, you should be looking pretty sharp.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
The Raiders will pick D-Mac for sure. However if Dallas were to give us their 2 #1 and take Lil Stui I would have to reconsider.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Hey DSM.
My opinion is that the only way McFadden becomes such a great success is if he can break tackles on a consistant basis.
Otherwise, I say use the #4 pick on DLine and grab a speedy RB(with moves) later in the draft. Again, he is NOT the fastest nor the quickest back in this draft.
I’ve got nothing against the kid. To me he looks one dimensional in his running style. Maybe that’s because of the huge lanes he got to run through in college. And how many bandwagons will go empty when he puts the ball on the ground 8 times next year?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Although for some odd reason Kiffin didn’t utilize Bush as a decoy in the Rose Bowl against Texas, several other times he would line him up in the slot, have them both in the same backfield, etc.
Simply having Bush in the offense forced the D to account for both backs and thus White would get a huge gain up the gut.
Imagine a combo of DMac/Bush splitting carries in the 4th meanwhile O’Neal is battering and beating down the D.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
ok, guys put me down for Chris Long. Most of you say he will be gone before #4 but if Mcfaddy is as good as you say then I say Maccy will be gone & we’ll get Long. Some way AD is going to draft him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
compelling arguments in both directions what would be best for the team? a superstar RB, or a couple of first an Fa, or 2nd round pick? Which would we benefit most from? will Dmac mean 14 points a game? Will getting dmac give us a quick strike offense and force others to throw instead of run?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I read through all the opinions here about the draft and I must say that most comments have valid reasoning whether they are in support of d-line help or taking the RB at #4.
IMO the Raiders are sitting pretty no matter who they end up taking at #4, or in the event of a trade-down there are many very good options. The Raiders are in a no-lose scenario this draft. Absolutely fantastic!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
He did not have huge running lanes in college, that is a myth. He slipped through tiny holes in college because he has great vision and excellent pre-snap recognition. If that Arkansas line was so great against SEC defenses, that they have two first round backs then why haven’t you heard of any of them being drafted very high? McFadden made his linemen look better, he made Felix Jones look better, and he even masked the awful QB play to make Arkansas a great offensive team.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
The defense folded because we scored no TD’s. Everyone is overlooking what the Giant offense did to the Patsies. Yes the D put pressure on the Pats but Manning was the MVP, not Strahan
March 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Those of you who think D-Mac is overrated need to take a longer look at Howie’s boy. He played in a very weak conference at Virginia. He reminds me too much of Tyler Brayton and wasn’t that piece of garbage a #1 pick? AD is gonna pick D-Mac.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I agree with you M I dont want us to take McMac but if we did I couldnt wait to see if he plays the way we all think he can or if we go D line which is my preffered choice then I couldnt wait till the first game to see how many rush yards we give up ya know
March 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
none of the D-line players in the top of the draft would help stop the run for us next season, with the exception of Chris Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
O-line, D-line… ever my personal preference, as I have no trust that any RB is going to survive the pounding for very long sans injury.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
You don’t believe Dorsey could help stop the run??
March 25th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Jason Taylor is past his days. I only see him lasting 1 or 2 more years. So in 1 or 2 years we would be back to square 1. IMO we need to draft a good young D-lineman to complment the rest of our young Defense. If thats the case, we will be set for years to come. We would finally have a strong base defense from top to bottom. So when we draft next year we can have the luxury to draft the next AP or DMC or whoever the next best thing is. If we had the 6th ranked run D and the 26th ranked run offense then I would be all over DMC. Besides, we only have 2 DE.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I think Dorsey can stop the run I watched a lot of him and he did his thing my only thing aon Dorsey is injuries I dont want him to get injured or end up like a gerard warren or courtney brown I dont know I was hoping we would get him But injury questions concern me
March 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I don’t think AD will risk $20m on Dorsey after all those MRI’s. Even if he slides down the draft and has a productive career, its not worth the financial risk.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
It’s funny how Dorsey went from the top of the draft to being this injury prone player. Some team digs up he got hurt in the 6th grade and now everyone wants a second opinion.
That, my brothers, is draft politics!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Let’s play: What Would You Do If You Were Al Davis!
Here’s what I would do if I were Mr. Davis:
1. Extend Kiffin 1 year as a sign of faith.
2. Fire Rob Ryan.
3. Hire Jim Bates as defensive coordinator.
4. Stop trading our f***ing draft picks away.
5. Sign the best available all-around free agent DE to rotate with Richardson or Burgess.
6. Sign the most intelligent available veteran QB to mentor Russell and Walter.
7. Draft Jake Long or Chris Long or Vernon Gholston (in that order) with our 1st round pick.
8. Draft the best available WR or run-stopping OLB with our 4th-round pick, or DE or OT if a huge steal is available at the latter positions.
9. Draft BPA in rounds 6 and 7.
10A. If no DE drafted, sign best available FA pass rusher to rotate with Richardson (DE from step 4 would then be rotating with Burgess).
10B. Punch Mike Shanahan in the mouth.
You’re turn… go!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
—”Texans released C Steve McKinney
McKinney was scheduled to be backup after the team acquired Chris Myers last week, and the Texans, who have plenty of depth at center, felt $1.35 million was too much to pay a reserve. Both the team and McKinney seem amenable to working out a new deal, however. “I owe it to myself to test the market, but, truthfully, I’d like to come back here,” McKinney said.
Mar. 25 – 3:07 p.m. ET”—
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
oops Your
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Damn TrevJo!
You left nothing out!!
Maybe I would sign Kiffin to a life long contract after leaking that I was going to fire him this Sat.!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Dorsey would sit behind Kelly and Warren on the depth chart. DT’s dont usually have a big impact their rookie seasons.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
AD is gonna take D-Mac and then find a way to get a 2nd rounder. With that pick he will get the best available DE. We had 11 rushing TD’s last season and 3 of them came from Culpepper. D-Mac will have that many alone next year. AD knows he can’t pass on him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Trading Rhodes, Fabian Washington and god-willing Derrick Burgess will get us the 2nd and 3rd rounders we need to fill out the D-line roster. Then we can all be happy: McFadden in the first, Red Bryant in the 2nd, Kendall Langford in the 3rd, Brian Johnston in the 4th.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
BBB
That would work for me
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
No one is going to trade for Rhodes. I doubt anyone will trade a 3rd for Washington. Trading Burgess would be ‘08 suicide.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Either way we go, you all have to admit we sound like a bunch of little kids in a candy store. I am very excited about this coming year for RAIDER FOOTBALL….I’m in…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
That would work for me except for trading burgess for draft picks why would you trade a proven pro bowl veteran for a 2nd or 3rd rounder who will net us an unproven rookie who may or may not make it id trade burgess for another Vet that wil lhelp us now or a package to get another pick in the first
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
keeping Burgess at Stong-side DE is 08 suicide.
Rhodes had two 100-yard games at the end of the season, has won a superbowl, and just re-structured his contract to a reasonable price, and you dont think anybody would want him??
Washington can get a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd; he is very young, with starting experience, and all-pro speed, that is more than can be said about all of the 2nd round CB prospects in this draft.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Why the hell would we trade Burgess? What happens if Fargas goes down again and Michael Bush isn’t ready? Trade Washington, Justin Griffith and Lamont Jordan to somehow get a 2nd round pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
And please somehow get Lil Stui Schweigert off this team. I don’t think I can take another year with the worst football player in NFL history.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
You guys are failing to understand that this team did not get a number of rushing TDs in large part due to the poor QB play. JMcCown and DC were turnovers waiting to happen. (Barry Sims was a false start, -5yds, waiting to happen.)
This team was Top 5 in rushing offense man. Top 5 for crying out loud! What about that says draft RB? This love infactuation w/ DMcFadden is beyond belief. Enough to make the fans of a Top 5 ranking rushing offense go senile and draft a RB with the 1st pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Anthos,
If we could trade Burgess for another vet DE that would be ideal. Either way we need to start the process of replacing Burgess this season, because he was the #2 reason (after Sapp) that our run defense was so bad last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Al Davis is senile …ha ..you guys are the one’s that senile. Beyond belief.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Terrapin,
JaMarcus “death star” Russell wont be that much better next year. Getting McFadden is a way to take the pressure off of Russell while he is still learning. I will agree though that our biggest problem with scoring last year was false starts.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Good luck Terrapin.
I think someone has already got their tattoo of McFadden in S&B.
Fill the trenches!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I’ll kiss everyone’s buts in here if they draft DMcFadden but they won’t so i’m not even faintly concerned about anyone collecting on that promise.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Trev jo…
nice, I would have no problem with that!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
do you guys think, Steve McKinney could join us, he isn’t the long term answer, but he did some good work under gary kubiak, they run the same scheme as us…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Since we landed Hall and Wilson to complement Aso and Huff I have a strange feeling other teams are going to be looking to do a lot of running against a poor run stopping Defense.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Terrapin…make sure you are on here Monday April 28th cuz D-Mac will be a Raider.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
It’s not over yet GRIM.
Our secondary is suspect and had to be addressed. Now they go after stopping the run from the inside. I can’t wait to see what “crazy ‘ol Al” pulls off next.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
LMN – I don’t know much about McKinney but I’m always a little weary of getting someone else’s hand-me-downs. Houston decided to upgrade for a reason.
BBB – Dude, again, Top 5 Rushing Offense. What makes you think JRussell will not already have run support? Man, the stuff you guys make up to justify the pick is obsurd.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
To post 498 we will listen to you since you know alot more than the people who get payed to know what you think you know C-LONG not being good give me a break he is a stud it’s in his blood by the way change you’r name ad a # do something.With that said we will draft Gholston
March 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Raider4Life – nah …i prob won’t be here for a few days thereafter. I’ll take some time to heal cause I’ll be sorely depressed.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Here’s what Dmac can bring to the Raiders…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNhOo0WRoO4
March 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Burgess ain’t happy…he has wanted a new contract since last year….trade the man while he still has value.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Terrapin,
I was once a skeptic about McFadden just like you. I was all for the drafting of Ellis/Dorsey/Long until I started watching some clips of McFadden (as I missed most of the college season studying for a licensing exam). While I would still like to get Chris Long, I think McFadden could be explosive in this offense under Lane Kiffin, paired up with Bush and JaMarcus “death star” Russell. If we end drafting McFadden he will change your mind by the end of pre-season.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
they need to get a 3rd or 4th for Fabian and I think they can.
they have to search for trade partners for Jordan and Rhodes.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
BBB, it’s all wishful thinking on your part.
No one other than us cared that Rhodes was part of a Super Bowl winning team. The Colts wasted no time phasing him out after they traded Edge. One good game in our highly-ranked rush offense is not going to boost his stock a lot. This league is loaded with decent RBs and that’s all Rhodes is.
Burgess is fine at his DE spot. We do need someone bigger that we can rotate in on obvious rushing downs, though. If we trade Burgess we have ZERO pass rush left on the roster.
There’s no chance Washington could get a 2nd round pick from anyone. He’s tiny, and the Raiders tipped their hand as to their opinion of him by putting him behind Routt and then giving up a lot to get Hall. Considering that he is best-suited to be a man-to-man DB, and we are one of the few teams that relies on m-t-m a lot, we’d be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Terrapins right on this one guys. + the fact that you have a healthy Mike Bush tanned, rested, and ready. By drafting MCFadden, what does that tell Fargas who you just resigned, Rhodes who restructered his deal downward and Mike Bush who has worked his ASS off to get into the rotation???
Taking the BPA is an excellent draft philosophy when you are already a winning program. When you have as many holes to fill as the Raiders do on both sides of the ball, it’s preposterous. I mean if you are going to do that, why not draft Matt Ryan????
March 25th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Didn’t everyone say Girrlery was a “beast” and a “can’t miss” pick? Just because a guys dad was great doesn’t make him great. Chris Long might be the next Howie or he might be the next Tyler Brayton. He is much more of a gamble than D-Mac. Who knows if Fargas comes back 100% and if Bush will ever be ready.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Hey Turtle: As for your comment about our top 5 rushing offense:
Actually the rushing offense was #6 and this was based off on yards per game.
Look at another stat in avg yard per carry: We were ranked 13th with 4.1 the fourth most attempts.
As for TD’s we were ranked 18th.
And I bet you thought the ‘06 Defense was just amazing didn’t you?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Q,
Burgess is awful, I cant wait for the Raiders to unload him on another team. Al Davis made Burgess’ career and how does he thank him, by pouting about a new contract with 2 years left on his old one. Get some picks or players for that piece of trash while we still can.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
BBB,
His sack production has declined every year….this year will be no different…he is undersized and one-dimensional…his value will get no higher than it is now…..TRADE him!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Trevjo- Indy didn’t trade Edge and we didn’t give up a lot for Hall.
Edge was signed as FA and we only gave up a 2nd and next year 5th.
If I can trade away a 2nd round pick and next year’s 5th for a 24 year old Pro Bowler, hell yes. Every time.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Speaking of Matt Ryan, did any of you read that article about him talking about Busch saying he still talks to him and Busch telling him how hes chomping at the bit to be able to get in there and show em what hes got? I personally cant wait to see what he’s got…..o.k. that didn’t sound right but you all know what I mean.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Remember that Howie Long played in a weak conference for Villanova and was a second round pick. Though I want to draft McFadden, I just wanted to help the opposing train of thought in case my 1st choice is gone. Chris Long is a quality FB player with great tools. With that said
The Raiders with the 4th pick in the draft select
Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
DSM, where I would back up Terrapin on the rush O was opposing teams knew we were gonna run. That was our stated philosophy, no one was frightened of our QB’s or WR’s or TE’s so, the deck was stacked against us and we still ran the ball fairly well. That’s not going to be quite so obvious this year with Jam one year in Kiff’s system and running the O.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Please Mr fumble we have a better prospect in Bush why take a gamble on Mcfadden we need speed on defense C-LONG or GHOLSTON have that and more their both a physical presence on D line them up on day 1 and watch them go with Mcfadden you might bring tension to a good a backfield
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
About McFadden, I don´t know if you guys agree but here´s the way I see it.
I just can´t remember a guy like him before and I don´t mean it as a compliment, more like a talented enigma.
I can´t think of any RB that you would compare and say, look at him, he´s the next…you name it.
In fact, the closest comparison I can think of a current NFL RB in terms of the PRODUCTION he could achieve would be Brian Westbrook.
Totally different body types and styles, Westbrook being compact, strong and with great moves while McFadden is taller, leaner and more of a speed back but I said production, not styles.
Ideally, you would prefer to compliment each of them with a stronger, powerful more traditional RB. The point is, Westbrook as a pure RB is not what you would desire, neither is McFadden.
I guess you could best describe them as all-around weapons that consistently come up with big plays, That´s where their value is.
You won´t get a 350 carry 1500 yrd. back out of them but you´ll get a 250, 1200 yd back who wll catch 60 or 70 balls for another 700 or 800 yds and double digit TD´s combined.
That´s something neither 28 yr. old Fargas nor 29 yr. old Rhodes can provide. And guys, we are set at RB for 08 but what about beyond next season?. Will those two even be on the team at this time next year? McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Stop the run, pressure the QB, run the ball.
We can already do 1 of the 3.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
All you D-Mac haters need to sit down and watch this guy. You will all be crying when he is a Pro Bowler for the Jets. When was the last time Michael Bush even played in a game??? 2+ years? Fargas was good, but he too is injury prone. D-Mac will be the best RB for the Raiders since Marcus.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Sure Burgess’s sack’s were down, but wasnt he hurt half the year? And didnt we stick Clemmons in there and he got like 8 sacks in his place? Or do I have my facts mixed up?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Terrapin…
I hear ya, on the hand me down argument, but if others hand me downs is an upgrade to us, then why not? I still doubt Grove, and Newberry was good, but he was to easy to read IMHO
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I understand the rushing offense did this when the did knew they were going to run w/o a reliable QB or WR’s.
I also can see a 1,400 yard 10 TD season by Fargas with a QB and WR’s.
However, I can see DMac getting 2,000 + yards both rushing & receiving in this offense in addition to the most important number, 15 or more TD’s.
TD’s win games guys, not rushing for 100 + yards.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Grim, you mean Brian Brohm?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
BBB, you’ve made your real opinion quite clear. You are just mad at Burgess for complaining about his contract. But the guy still has 35 sacks in the last 3 years. Here’s how many sacks the rest of our roster has in their CAREERS:
Gerard Warren 26
Tommy Kelly 13
William Joseph 7
Gibril Wilson 6
Terdell Sands 2
Kirk Morrison 2
Robert Thomas 2
Nnamdi Asomugha 2
Sam Williams 1
Thomas Howard 1
Josh Shaw 1
Jay Richardson 1
Stanford Routt 1
Rashad Baker 1
Michael Huff 1
DeAngelo Hall 0.5
Outside of Warren, who is probably not even going to start, the rest of the rest of the roster barely has as many sacks in their CAREERS as Burgess does in 3 years. Yeah, good idea, let’s get rid of him. While we’re at it, let’s get rid of JaMarcus Russell too. Who cares if we need his skills, wasn’t he squabbling about his contract last year? And hey, we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him! Brilliant!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Chris Long is going to be an excellent pro. Doubtful he will be there at 4 tho. I can’t say I am a big Dmac fan, but boy he looks a lot like Marcus Allen.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The Raiders need to address the run defence, and pass protection part of their team,,We cannot stop the run, 3rd and 4th string running backs run thru our defence like it is nothing,,,our run defence makes all nfl backs look like Barry Sanders ..Then the pass protection, heck the only way for the quaterback to have time to look down field is to roll out on passing downs,,Out of all these years of being a poor football team, have lots of early draft picks, signing free agent after free agent,the raiders still have a defence that cannot stop the run, and oline that cannot protect the passer,,, Yet big Al Davis wants to talk about throwing deep, how in the world are we throwing deep when the qb is running for his life,,
I have been a raiders fan since 1968, we have done a terrible job in the draft, and are wasting money on over the hill free agents,,Here we are in our 5th straight year of 11 losses or more,we had how many top picks when we traded our head coach jon gruden to tampa bay, now the last five years of lots of early picks, yet we are still addressing the same needs, same holes as every year,
Some body up top needs to be fired, we need some body in there who knows the game and wants to get this team turned around,,
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Oh and that was not my case for McFadden, like I said before, I´m on the fence but it´s rather my take on what this guy´s production might be, for us or for someone else.
I might be way off, but I have been trying to figure that kid out for a while and that´s the best I can come up with.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Bob Marley- In a way he reminds me of Robert Smith from Ohio State and the Viqueens. Both have similar builds, however DMac is faster.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I agree with Terrapin- our biggest problem last year was QB play- i still cant believe there are People calling themselves Raiders Fans who think losing McClown was a loss- and think Kiffin doesnt have room to improve- his play calling was pathetic at times- I think kiffin has alot to learn before we’re an elite team again- especially his immature ego in messing with the boss and in making too quick a judgement in sidelining players- I hope he grew up alot this off season…..our recievers were getting open last year and it seems noone could hit them for anything but 6 yard plays- I think we had the fewest long passing plays in the league- I still cant believe we wasted so much damn time on McClown- with the only possible upside is so our idiot immatre coach could have someone he wasnt afraid of around- and then on top of it- the coaches pet bails on him!!- All of you Al Davis haters are clueless – we are lucky to have one of the few owners who cares about football more than money or pencils or oil refineries or whatever— anyway i still hope kiffin stays- and grows up- and quits taking things personally when hes dealing with atheletes making 5 times as much as he is
March 25th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
DSM – bro ..you qoute those stats without and you don’t consider the fact that the rushing attack faced an 8 man front almost every freakin down? (Hint: Bad QB play contributed mightly.) In light of that I’ll say this rushing O is clearly amoung the best in the league. Imagine that same attack w/ compenents at QB and WR that can stretch the field and they do. The stats would be banannas. And this team still needs a RB?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Drafting McFadden doesn’t mean we are neglecting the D-Line. It doesn’t have to be a one or the other proposition. Read Marley’s post regarding McFadden, he could be a special type of playmaker, that would compliment our current stable of backs. After taking McFadden we can address D-line in the rest of the draft, although I believe our D-line will be much better this year (addition by subtraction) without Sapp and (hopefully) Burgess.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Turtle- Like I stated in post 555, Fargas isn’t going to provide Marshall Faulk like numbers, EVER.
DMac could provide those type of numbers and the most important stat of them all, TD’s.
Fargas will be a reliable back with a good QB and WR’s, but DMac can provide an explosiveness that we don’t have.
I have a feeling we are going back to the late ’70’s and we won’t have a first round pick after this year for a few years via trades to stock up.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Dogg,
You still out there? I read your eight or nine posts crying about the Fisher call…come on man, Fisher is 400 years old, if Ellis breathed on him there should have been a foul called, lol.
No, I agree that was a bad call, should have been a no-call. Both players made contact. But it made up for the bad call against Kobe when Beard charged into the lane with elbows flying, so the game never should have been in overtime.
And remember, the Lakers were ahead by two when they made the Fisher call, so there was certainly no guarantee that the Warriors would have won.
I’ll take a match up with the Warriors any day of the week. With Gasol and Bynum in the middle the Warriors’ out of control drives in the lane will be shut down and they will be forced to live and die with the three. Lakers in 5. Warriors win one game when they get hot from the outside, but that is it folks.
DRAFT MCFADDEN!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Terrapin -
How many yards did the team rush for in 3rd quarter/4th quarter when we should have been passing? I think our rush stats are padded late in games because Kiff was afraid to put our QBs’ health at risk.
I think the stats could be artificial, kind of like the Defense last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
GRIM…
who the H is this Busch you are talking about?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Trevjo is right in the fact that pass rushers don’t just fall out the sky every three minutes. We could put Ed Reed and Antoine Winfield back there WITH OUR 4 OTHER GUYS and if a QB is standing there with 4 seconds it’s not gonna matter. They’re gonna get picked apart. Pass rush has been a major major problem for Oakland for years. Trading your best pass rusher is probably not the solution to that. Adding pass rushers is.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I think all these DMac haters were the same clowns who hated on AP last year as well. Correct fellas?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Davis has already let it slip out that he intends to address areas of need in this years draft which is defensive line, they are already stocked at running back with 2 fullbacks and 3 tailbacks, Mcfadden won’t be the pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
TrevJo,
sacks is not a very important stat for a defense that got run on like they weren’t even there. Who cares how many sacks Burgess got, when every single play that he wasn’t sacking the QB they were running the ball to the strong-side and he was already behind the play doing nothing. Burgess is not a great football player, if the games were decided by overall sack count, then maybe we keep him, otherwise he cant stop the run.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
15 TD’s???
This is based off of highlight vids on youtube?
How about a highlight video of his 23 fumbles?
He does’nt even have the best highlight video either!! HAHAHAHAHA
March 25th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hey Patches, don’t forget about everyone’s favorite runing back- Joe!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
McFadden is not as good as AP, but he is much healthier and is very talented in his own right. McFadden will make Russell’s job much easier.
This is our big board as I see it:
Chris Long
McFadden
Dorsey
Gholston
Jake Long
S. Ellis
March 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Im not a DMAC hater at all, I just think our glaring need is on the D-line and not the offensive backfield. If you cant stop the other team from scoring you’re not going to win football games…period. Like I said before, look how many times last year we lost games in the fourth quarter because we couldnt stop the other team from scoring. Thats all we needed was 1 stop.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Now you sound like AL DAVIS draft Mcfadden for his speed thats it. He fumbles all the time cant break tackles got caught from behind by a linebacker yeah he’s fast. Running without pads is nothing throw the pads on see what you got. Let some other team deal with him i thought we were set at running back FARGAS & RHODES an occasional BUSH what more do you want.Sorry we need to stop the run not stock up on runners we already have
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Marley bro …gotta disagree there….McFadden bears no resemblance to Westbrook – none. You even said it, Westbrook has the moves, McFadden doesn’t. Thats a huge problem in my book for a RB. He’s pure speed as I see it. Might as well draft Chris Johnson.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Youre right, it was Brohm.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
AP is classes over McFadden… McFaddens legs stops when he hits contact..McFadden looks like Bush, I was agains bush too..
It’s not that we think McFadden is bad, he is just not worth a # 4th. And there are better players available and those players even fill needs, its a win-win… If we draft McFadden its only Mcfadden who wins, he wins a ton of doe, and we will lose hi scoring games…
March 25th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Half of you guys say C Long might be a bust & half say he won’t be there at #4? Half say McFaddy is the greatest pick on the board, then why won’t he be gone before #4?
Trade Burress? that’s crazy!! package a trade of sweigert/Wash/Huff for picks.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
LMN,
I guess if we draft Glenn Dorsey then we will automatically win a bunch of low-scoring games and we wont pay him a dime? Money will be the same for whoever we draft, it is slotted.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
We need Gholston with over 25 tackles behind the line thats how you stop the run
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14412-Oakland_Raiders-In_Defense_of_Gholston_s_Raiders_Career-240308
March 25th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Alright dude I give up ….you have officially gone off the bridge. You’re on a slippery slope my friend.
**********************************
DSM Raider Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I understand the rushing offense did this when the did knew they were going to run w/o a reliable QB or WR’s.
I also can see a 1,400 yard 10 TD season by Fargas with a QB and WR’s.
However, I can see DMac getting 2,000 + yards both rushing & receiving in this offense in addition to the most important number, 15 or more TD’s.
TD’s win games guys, not rushing for 100 + yards.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Why are all you asssuming Michael Bush will even play this season? Guy hasn’t played one down in the NFL and you all have him being a force. Fargas has never played a full season as the main guy. Rhoades is almost 30. Yeah we are set at RB MAYBE this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Nobody is gonna trade for Schweiggy…not even in a package deal…he has no value.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
McFadden: 38 games, 41 TDs, 785 carries, 38 kick returns, 9 LOST fumbles.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Someone please explain to me why we would keep Burgess past next season. If we get rid of him this year we can get some value for him, and start grooming his successor. We want to get younger on defense, not keep aging players that have seen their production drop for three straight years.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
What scares me about Gholston is every time Ohio State plays an SEC team they get the shit beat out of them.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
LMN- did I throw you off with improper spelling? His first name is MIKE. Does that give you a hint? My bad.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
RaiderTW…You have a better chamce of winning the lottery than finding a team stupid enough to take Lil Stui. That bi*ch couldn’t make a girls 8 & older underwater basket weaving team.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I think stuey will still spend every Sunday at the H.O.T. next season, but he will be wearing a Michael Huff jersey and cheering the team on from Mt. Davis.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Turtle- What, the numbers for Fargas are ridiculous?
If DMac rushes for 1,300 yards and has 700 yards receiving, then that’s 2,000 yards.
15 + TD’s, that’s another very possible stat. Look at Clinton Portis with Denver when he rushed for over 1,500 yards and also had 15 TD’s. In addition he caught the ball for 300 yards receiving and we know he’s not much of a threat there.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Wow, according to this site, Michael Bush never fumbled in college, is this true?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=149846
March 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Gholston looks like the real deal….sure the Raiders brass is picking Jay Richardson’s brain for info on Gholston. Does anyone think he is a better prospect than Mario Williams was coming out of the draft?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Come on Dakota.
Dropping the rock 15 times in 1 season is OK as long as your team fields it?
You guys are like fans of a heavyweight boxer that has tremendous knockout power but keeps getting knocked out and losing.
There will be plenty of action with Russell, Miller, Walker, Bush, Curry, Fargas, Carter…
I want to see the D kill the QB!! Period.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Yeah and Michael Bush has never fumbled in the pros either.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Patches, Gholston is only one player….can’t put the blame on him for faltering against the SEC.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Thats the thing, we are set a RB for this year. But as far as D-line, thats not the case.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Here’s a transcript from Lane Kiffin’s season ending press conference:
Q: Does the system you run make it less likely to have a marquee name in the backfield?
Kiffin: We’ll never just try to find a big name… But that being said, that doesn’t mean that there’s not a big name guy that’s a really good player that we’re not going to go after because we don’t need a big name guy because anybody can run in the system. No. Anybody can’t run in the system. Some guys can be effective and then some guys can be even more effective and be great players in the system…….
I think we can all agree that the biggest marquee Running back name in college is Darren Mcfadden. So for everyone on here claiming that D-Mac is just an Al Davis favorite, think again. Sounds like Kiffin himself expressed an interest in Mcfadden and debunked all of the detractors on here saying that we have ‘Good Enough’ players for our system.
Oh and for the record, Mcfadden doesn’t just run well. He can pass pretty damn good too. Having him on the field is like having two quarterbacks on the field at once. The Raiders will finally be able to get upgrade our often predictable offense and leave opposing defenses constantly guessing and on their heels. But in the words of ‘Reading Rainbow’… Don’t just take my word for it…Take a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI
March 25th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Dakota,
check out this clip on you tibe of Michael Bush getting stripped on a run, and holding on to the ball with one hand like a f’in vice grip, craziest thing I have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoFCkqK2iE
March 25th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Terp
Like I said, I meant from a production stand point, that´s it, numbers if you will.
McFadden could be that guy who carries a permanent bullseye everytime he steps into the field, we don´t have one.
The guy that his coaches enjoy gameplannig about ways to get him the ball in the open field and opposing coaches worry about gameplanning how to stop you from doing just that.
Again, we don´t have one of those and it would be a big help for everyone else on offense if we did.
And like I said before too, you can´t count on the 28 yr. old Fargas and the 29 yr.old Rhodes to even be with the team at this point next year. McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
McFadden is so dimentional, we haven’t seen his skills at RB since Bo! He can hit hole fast, get to the outside, line up at receiver and take a pitch for a pass. If there, we can’t pass on him and we can trade Rhodes/Jordan. We have DB’s, etc that we can look to trade too. We also have Huggybear Jr to carry the ball with him.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bush was already running last season in practice i can assume the coaches know what they got in him.With Mcfadden it’s a crap shoot if Bush was better before getting hurt give him a shot what do you lose his salary is nothing to what you would pay Mcfadden.So draft Gholston we dont have any one on our team like him and pay him instead.Watch him go ape sh!t on opposing Q/B’s
March 25th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Raider4life #598 I have to admit, that was pretty funny.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
It pains me to say it but we would improve more this year by drafting Gholston or another D-liner over DMac-who i love. wait till next draft and get a running back in the second round then to go with Bush. None of the real top teams have sensational running backs- NE, IND,NY,DAL. Its the struggling teams which have the feature backs-STL, MIA, SF, KAN
Take Gholston this draft next year take a good prospect in the 2nd round
March 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Gholston looks like a really intriguing prospect, but he also looks like a steroid investigation waiting to happen.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
DSM
Robert Smith was a good one and I can see the similarities but he wasn´t much of a pass catcher, even if he played some WR in college, which I think I rmemeber him doing, he never caught more than 37 passes in a season. Maybe it´s the way the coaches wanted it but still one would think he should have caught a lot more than that and I think McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
IF Michael Bush can be the same guy he was as a junior in college and IF Fargas comes back 100% MAYBE then we don’t need D-Mac. Nobody knows how good Bush is gonna be. Passing on D-Mac would be a huge mistake that will costs us for years.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Raider4life, Fargas doesn’t have hardly any mileage on him, and the same with Rhodes. Both these guys have backed up for years and they are now in their primes. In the last game Mike Bush played against an SEC opponent, he carried the ball 17 times for 125+ yards and THREE TD’S, all in ONE HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think he isn’t itching to get back on a field??? He’s not a 180lb scat back, he’s 245!! He’s bigger and stronger than our LB’s for crissakes!! And he’s been cleared to play, he’s ready to go, he wants to go, why wouldn’t he succeed??? I guess he could always trip and fall over a McDonalds wrapper and hurt himself.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
“darkknight01 Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I think all these DMac haters were the same clowns who hated on AP last year as well. Correct fellas?”
Wrong, I thought AP was going to be awesome. The only concern I had with AP at all was his durability. AP is an extremely physical back who runs people over like a freight train. McFadden is a pure speed guy, there’s no comparison.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I dont think Gholston will have steroid issues. The NCAA has strict testing policies so I think he should be good. The kid is a beast though
March 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491 You are insane if you think McFadden does not run well, check out the important stats in the Draft Scout Snapshot paragraph.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
BART,
That was impressive, thanks for the clip. I can see why fumbling is not a problem for Bush.
It will take a miracle for a player to come back anywhere near 100% after sitting out of football for two years, but we can hope, right?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
here, here, Oakglenn!! we’re set at RB. As always, we need to stop the run!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Today is McFadden’s pro day.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Look at the schedule that Louisville played while Bush was there. No wonder Bush never fumbled. Almost could be classified a Div 2
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Let’s pass on McFadden and draft another defensive player that can be wasted through the poor coaching of Rob Ryan. That really gets my blood boiling! Don’t you guys see what a waste that would be?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Well put Oakglenn the kid is hungry to get in there produce 2 good years and get a pay raise.Dont gamble on Mcfadden when you have a least expensive same type player on you’r roster already.Nobody knows how good Mcfadden will be either why waste a pick draft the BEAST
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Quagmire’d I can’t say I would put Gholston up there with Mario Williams as a prospect. You’re talking about 6′4″ 264# vs 6′6″ 293#. Gholston is a bit faster and did out-bench Williams at the combine. But when you factor in his size also, Williams is a once-a-decade type freak athlete.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I cannot wait to see Mike Bush this season.
Teams better be ready or they’re gonna get run over!
O’Neal destroys the LB, Bush decapitates the DB!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bottom line is we don’t know how Bush will play. If he is the same stud he was then great go get the best DL. I’m tired of wasted #1 picks like Girrlery, Fabian, Tyler Brayton, Buchanan, Gibson, the list goes on and on. The most important thing by far this season tho is………………………………………………getting rid of Lil Stui Schweigert the worst player in NFL history! If I have to watch one more game with every guy and their dogs running over this piece of crap I’m gonna puke.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
The only way I can see the team drafting McFadden is if Bush doesn’t show up in camp and they lose confidence in him. Otherwise, spending that much doe on McFadden is senseless.
Another senseless move as it currently stands is trading Burgess (unless u get a WHOLE LOT!). ONLY 2 DEs are on the roster – 2~! And only 1 is a bona fide pass rusher – 1~! You guys are makin me laugh at this stuff.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
The question with bush is not wether he can run- that should be a given- he was running at the end of this last season- the question is wether when he takes the first real hit on that leg- if their will be any motion at the site of the repaired fracture- It was internally fixed- ie had a rod- the rod moved- he had it redone- their may have been some radiographic evidence of micro-motion at the internal fixation- bone builds around the fracture site over time- and remodels- its been 12 months plus since the second ORIF or open reduction with internal fixation- we will see how he does with pounding on the leg- I bet it will be fine- maybe painful initiallty but fine- as long as he stays in overall football conditioning and has the desire to be on the field
March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Dakota, Rob Ryan sucks for sure, but on the other hand, if we do draft defense and Ryan still messes it up, maybe Al will see the light and fire him!! Makes me smile just to think about it.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Raider4life,
I beg to differ. The most important thing for the Raiders is to fire Rob Ryan and see if some of these high defensive draft picks, even Stu, can be salvaged with a decent coach.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Bring back Kenny King!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Lets keep Stui and show the D/B’s how not to play then we wont have to worry about Rob Ryan coaching them just say dont do like Stui and thats it
March 25th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
On the other hand…and with C. Long and Gholston gone..
McFadden does carry the risk of turning out a huge bust that´s out of the league in 4 seasons…..while a guy like Ellis should be an above average 10 year starter at DT, not exactly Hayneworth but at least you have something to show for.
It´s up to the team anyways, but as usual an interesting discussion to have.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I will buy everyone a nice cold one if they would PLEAE GET RID OF LIL STUI SCHWEIGERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
This is a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s like OK, your defense sucks, you have Bo Jackson, and Marcus Allen and you want to draft Jerome Bettis instead of Howie Long, or your defense sucks you have Jerry Rice and John Taylor and Brent Jones, and you want to draft Issac Bruce, not Bruce Smith. To me, Dmac is going to be a very very good player. The problem is last year we spent 5 of our first 6 pix on offense, and we have obvious defensive problems on the line. You’re going to take Dmac or Matt Ryan????? I don’t know about that.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Haynesworth is sitting out camp this week and his wife is divorcing him.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
you can’t predict who will be bust with any accuracy, saying that Ellis will be a 10-year starter, is just as subjective as saying that McFadden will be a superstar.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
SI reported Al Davis was infacutated with D-Mac – Coach Kif was asked on Sirus radio who did he like in the draft coming up, he chuckled and said that Darren Mcfadden kid is pretty good…
Chris Long will be gone by the time we pick..
Vernon Gholston Vs D-mac
Do youll really think Mr Al Davis is going to pick Vernon Gholston over D-mac???
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Ryan,J-Long,Mcfadden,then what ever we want that should be the order in witch it happens but who know’s
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Gholston, DMAC, LONG, Dorsey, Ellis…the suspence is killing me.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I would give the #4 pick in the draft to any team that will take Lil Stui off our hands.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Chris Long is the only sure thing in this draft. If he gets to play DE in a 4-3 defense he will be in the HOF. He has the motor, the desire, the work ethic and the skills to dominate in the NFL.
Too bad for the Phins that they play in a 3-4, and that is why they will be forced to select Jake Long or Matt Ryan after they realize no one is going to trade up for the #1 pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
DoeDoe,
I think Al might pick Gholston over DMAC. Gholston is a combine superfreak/workout warrior. DMAC is more Kiffin’s choice.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
rob ryan was forced to adapt to sapp’s wishes, i think our defense will be much better over next two years with more 3-4 looks and more blitzing with GW now that our corners are set–
we cant go wrong with any of the top six guys — ad we cant go wrong trading down for depth across the lines-
Everyone forgets the superbowl team was THE OLDEST team in the league– we have almost noone left xcept Janikowski and lechler– it makes complete sense that it would take the longest time to fix the oldest team—- plus we had horrendous schedules the last three years– all of this is changing – so I am very optimistic- KC is done, denver had serious injuritis last year, but i think we improved more by far, and SD is worse off
March 25th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Folks…I can see we are see debating the RB question…or “situation”…AGAIN…yes, we DO need to grab a fresh set of legs to “eventually” pair with Michael Bush in the backfield…of the future..hmmm how about Chris Johnson from ECU ? I have heard others talking him up here…and what intrigues me most about him..is the fact that he caught a huge amount of passes down the field…which is something we could certainly use since we are very shallow at WR, with prospects that have speed and can actually hang onto or catch the ball. Chris Johnson can be our one, two, punch of the future, with Michael Bush. Like Reggie Bush…Johnson can line up as a wide out…he is the most intriguing top 5 RB other than Ray Rice to me.
Again…I would hate to throw top 5 money at a RB…and would much rather “risk” it on an Offensive Tackle or Defensive lineman.
Chris Johnsons’ speed 4.24 ? certainly puts him smack in the middle of ADs radar!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Were actually having a great debate with no personal attacks, this is great!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Gholston is a Davis kind of guy a freak a beast Al wants to punish the opposing offense this year and it will happen.Look at the AFC west all good running backs with know one to stop them not any more look out here comes the PAIN
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Phins: Matt Ryan
Rams: Jake Long
Falcons:Chris Long
Raiders: D-mac
OR
Phins: Matt Ryan
Rams: Jake Long
Jets: D-mac
Raiders: Chris Long
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
GRIM…
It wasn’t meant like that, I couldn’t find, head or tail in your post. If its Michael Bush, sorry, but then I cant understand what you talked about, Michael Bush and Matt Ryan, didn’t go to the same school did they?
wasn’t it Brian Brohm?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
If you knew Mike Bush, Mike is one of the most competitive guys you’ll ever meet!!! He’s a very, very smart kid. One thing I can tell all of you guys is I’m not overly worried about Mike Bush coming in and competing at a high level. The question you have to ask is whether our needs surpass our desires?? I think they do. to me we have EXTREME NEEDS on the defensive line!!! Extreme needs!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
NFL Network is showing the Colts Raiders 1977 playoff game right now. Just FYI.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Chris Long played for a team that also gets the shit beat out of them by the SEC schools, I would be leary of him.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
BBB,
Chris Long, D-Mac, Vernon Gholston
No matter who it may be i’ll be more than happy – I can make an argument for each one of these players on why we should pick 1 over the other
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
BBB
Yes, I can predict a bust, wether I´m correct remains to be seen, right?.
I only said there is a greater risk that McFadden does not live up to expectations than there is of Ellis not living up to his, simply because McFadden´s are much greater.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Ellis is the safest pick in the top 5.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
If Bush can play like he did in college and Fargas comes back 100% together with Rhoades we would have a three headed monstor. I would have no problem with that and go ahead and draft Gholston, Long or Ellis.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
LMN- yes it was brohm. But thats what I get for drinking at 1pm.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
2005 USC vs Arkansas 70-12 McFadden was no factor with 88 yards rushing.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Fair enough Bob.
But then if McFadden’s expected production is higher than that of Ellis’, shouldn’t we take McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
We have the most value at our pick than the first 3.We might just trade it who knows maybe pick up Early Doucet get J-MAC comfortable then maybe even Trevor Laws
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
My opinion of RB Situation
We will draft McFadden
D. Rhodes= Non factor
M Bush= A huge question mark obviously, if he pans out and is a productive player, we pair him with McFadden for perhaps one of the best, most versatile 1-2 punches in the league. We could then just trade or cut Fargas in a year or two, small contract, wouldn’t be a big deal, he’d be over 30 anyways.
If Bush never really gets healthy/productive, then just pair Fargas with McFadden for a few years, we would still be in very good shape.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
eyepatch,
Arkansas had to throw the ball that whole game because they were behind by so much, of course McFadden’s running stats were low.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
1977, the year instant replay was invented. The Superbowl should have been Dallas vs Oakland.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
McFadden is all they had.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Eyepatch,
Watch last year’s LSU/Arkansas game.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
i think if we take a DT or DE in the first, we should get a MLB in the fourth or earlier if we can trade someone– who do you guys like at run stuffing LB that might be available at the fourth?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I think we go Center in round 4. Sullivan from ND would be nice.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I watched it live.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Dakota, you do realize that Chris Long was a 3-4 DE in college, right?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
i hope we sign newberry back or get the guy from texas who knows zone blocking
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
# Just Win Baby Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Since Al Davis is so senile and has lost his mind and such, who gets credit for all the wins we will chalk up in 08?
……….
Al Davis. For all two of them…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Keith Rivers is also a good pick if we trade out of #4 he would plug his gap with the twins on the outside Howard and Morrison sorry but i like the twins sounds good
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Round 4 there are also some nice DE’s available:
Kendall Langford 6′6″ 290 lbs.
Brian Johnston, wasn’t invited to the combine but had incredible numbers at his pro-day.
Jason Jones, DT/DE hybrid that had a good senior bowl
March 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
BBB
I´m stiil a bit on the fence but assuming the DE´s are gone, as of now I say hell yes, take a chance with McFadden´s potential, you can find above average starting DT´s elsewehere and easier than you can find a McFadden-like weapon.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Trevjo,
Yes, he played out of position because his coach asked him too. He is a OLB in a 3-4. Imagine his numbers if he had played in a 4-3.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Eyepatch- You are forgetting DMac was coming back from his toe injury in that game so of course he wasn’t a factor.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I would go with Beau Bell from UNLV. I know I’ve said it a few times in here but this guy is a monster. I live in Las Vegas and I’ve seen him play. Sure, UNLV is a terrible team but this guy was defensive player of the year in the MWC. I say put him in the middle and move Morrison outside. Our LB’s would be complete. This guy has a motor.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Gholston vs Merriman cant wait let the bodies hit the floor
March 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
K-Rock (Just Say No to DMAC) Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 9:32 am
“I’m tired of the “drinking kool-aid” vs. “hater” crap.”
……..
Then stop drinking the kool aid.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I would pick Gholston, Long, Ellis, or J.Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I’ll take C Long any day over DMac and would be in tears if we were able to take him.
However, once Miami takes C Long, St Louis drafts Gholston, and Atlanta takes J Long, who is left for us?
Dorsey, Ellis, or DMac. Both Dorsey & Ellis aren’t going to provide the impact everyone wants because rookie DT’s don’t make a significant impact.
DMac will provide the team an immediate impact.
He’s the best player available, therefore we take him.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Burgess didn’t come around til around mid season because of missing most of training camp due to having surgery late
Sapp losing all that weight caused him to get pushed around a lot in the begining of the season
When Burgess and Sapp started to come around thats when Kelly got hurt for the year, than the runs started going to Jay Richardson’s side a lot
Gerrard Warren played good by like OakGlenn say not good enough for 5 million plus his injuries
A lot of bad luck – No matter what happens I do not see us getting ran on nearly as bad as last year – Cross fingers and hope we all come in healthy from the start of training camp and make it thru the season and the run D will be better -
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Its too bad AW never had a chance to play with a decent line- i know he is going to be good somewhere- and he doesnt exactly fit our system/ has pissed off the coach– i think miami could do worse than trading AW and Fabian for their second an third picks (they still have them Im assuming)– I still cant believe they are trying to go with McCown as a starter—- heck Tui was much better than McCown and hes still available- I bet Brooks with a decent line is better than McCown—
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Matt Ryan will be this year’s Quinn in terms of a player dropping in the draft. it might be Baltimore before he’s off the board. i would think the chefs take him but their OL is one of the worst in the league and they need lineman more than we do.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
She’s back see yeah
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I´m hoping for the ”other” son of a Raider in the 4th, UCLA´s DE-OLB Bruce Davis, maybe he can fill the Clemons role of designated pass rusher soon. Opinions vary on him though.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Bob,
Yeah I like the two DE’s at the top, but I like McFadden a little bit more than Gholston. What’s great is that all of these guys would be a good fit for the Raiders if we can’t trade down. Unlike Miami which I think are stuck picking from a great group of 4-3 linemen for their 3-4 scheme. Long, Gholston, McFadden, Ellis and Dorsey all fit into our respective schemes, which is a big plus for us.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Dakota
as much as I enjoy the banter…THERE IS NO SURE THING….EVER !!! Anyone is can get injured and never be the same…very few guys bounce back from injury…only the ones’ with heart and overwhelming desire…and I hope that C Long has that “it” to continue if and when he gets his first major injury.
Based on my gut feelings…I would have no problema taking Dorsey…because he played thru his injuries last year…I still believe it is better to find two guys to load up our Dline with youth…and hopefully do a better job at stopping the run…then moving from a top 10 running attack to a top 3 running attack on offense.
I believe we will already acheive that with our current roster…how much better do we need to be on offense ? With the contunuity at QB and a fresh cast at WR…we are set to keep the ball for more than 35 mins a game…now its up to our “defense” to make sure that opposing teams do not score TDs during their 25 minutes of offensive series !!!
…3 and outs…thats what we need this year…that we lacked last year…!!!
if we can get a few drive killing sacks…a few tackles behind the line and a couple of turnovers per game…while maintaining ball security on offense…we will glide to 10 wins…take the AFC WEST…and go deep into the play-offs.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Only 30 or so more days of the McFadden debate!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
4. Raiders
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas: OK, here’s our first major change. I’ve talked to two people inside the organization who say Al Davis has been infatuated with this kid for more than a year. When he ran a 4.27 40-yard dash at the combine, Davis was officially sold. Then he took a long nap.
- Matt Mosely
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
http://www.hogwired.com/pdf2/90292.pdf?ATCLID=1206333&SPSID=33239&SPID=2431&DB_OEM_ID=6100
Here is an arguement for trading down and drafting Sims.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
He was supposed to play in the senior bowl but hurt his knee in practice.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
AD calls him Darrell McFarlane though.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Doc, you would probably be hoping that Phil Wheeler the ILB from Ga Tech or Jonathon Goff the ILB from Vandy would be available. Of course me personally, I would be looking for Josh Johnson the QB from University of San Diego. Not a need certainly, but that kid is waaaaay to good to pass up.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
BBB
Agreed. You like Bruce Davis later on?.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Also our Sam Williams/Robert Thomas/Kirk and Mr 53 were shedding off blocks and following thru there gaps a lot better towards the end of the season than from the begining – Some added hope for next year’s run D
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Bob,
I like Bruce Davis a lot, he is tenacious out there, doesn’t give up on a single play. Kiffin should be real familiar with his career at UCLA, and that is the kind of guy that he covets. Another great legacy player we should look at is Jeremy Geathers from UNLV, he could also fill the Chris Clemons role.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
big board as i see it…(still)
1.Gholston
2.C Long
3.Dmac
4.Dorsey or Ellis
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“While the NFL is abuzz with discussion over Kiffin’s predicament, with endless conjecture about his future, the coach has been rather silent. No official response to the Gentle Shove, wherein owner Al Davis essentially invited Lane to leave. No official comment on the Rob Ryan fiasco, wherein Rob was prepared to move on, with Lane’s blessing, only to be retained by Al. Zipped lips regarding the hiring of James Lofton, wherein Lane discovered Lofton was an assistant coach for the Raiders. Kiffin has been mute about the Great Gear flap, wherein he opted not to wear his customary Raiders attire while coaching at the Senior Bowl.
While 49ers coach Mike Nolan roams the studios of the NFL Network, getting valuable camera time, saving face after an organizational “shakeup,” Kiff’s profile is lower than that of the assistant basketball coach at the local community college.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_8676553?source%253Dmost_emailed.26978592730A3B8C7F471EACE0DA4EF2.html
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Oakglenn, why so high on Josh Johnson? Many scouts have said from his combine that it was the worst display of passing they had seen.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Bruce Davis would be a good pick in the 4th….along with Zbikowski.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I think Poole was drinking at a bar and wrote that on his blackberry, Superbowl lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
“This illustrates the hole in the theory that projects a revival in the wake of Al’s Big Giveaway. As Washington owner Daniel Snyder might tell you, winning is less about spending sprees than having practical, creative, sure-handed, daily leadership.
The Raiders instead have a severely compromised head coach trying to develop an inexperienced quarterback, while supervising a defensive coordinator he likely would have replaced, while trying to avoid contact with the boss and hope to be heard by his players.
Which leaves the Raiders to decide how to present Hall, who is willing to promote the brand. The desire for this was made clear by the Raiders in a recent meeting with executives of this newspaper.
What they discovered is organizational turmoil and a 19-61 record over five seasons make good pub hard to find. Hard to reach, even when it’s right under your nose.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_8676553?source%253Dmost_emailed.26978592730A3B8C7F471EACE0DA4EF2.html
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
DSM
If both top DEs are off the board…I have to admit it is a toss up…and Dmac wins hands down…because we can always find a decent DT in round 2 or 3 after trading a player or future picks…
If Gholston and both Longs are gone…I agree our best choice is to either take DMac or take him and trade him to JJ for their 2 first rounders and their 2nd rounder…obviously that probably wont happen…so DMac it ’tis….
The funniest thing here is…either way, we are gonna end up WINNERS…there is absolutely no downside for us this year picking at number 4…except the money it’s gonna cost BIG AL to get one of these guys into camp quickly so that we dont repeat the nightmare of last season…with Jamarcus Russell.
This is hopefully gonna be our last year to pick so high in the draft…I hope we can take advantage of it and make the right choice for our future. Whatever that brings….hahaha.
Victory…ahhh…I love the smell of NAPALM in the morning…!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
If the raiders draft Zbikowski, then I don’t care who else they get, that would totally make draft day for me. Zbikowski would be a perfect replacement for STU on special teams, right away, and could eventually be an outstanding back-up/run-stuffer for Huff-Wilson.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Eyepatch Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I think Poole was drinking at a bar and wrote that on his blackberry,
…………
Fair criticism. But what’s Davis’s excuse for 19-61?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Tom Flores- I like to think adding DMac is like having Reggie Bush in Kiffin’s backfield to combine him with Michael Bush who can be like LenDale White except he has good hands.
In ‘05, USC’s offense was amazing:
Leinart threw 28 TD’s
Bush 1,740 yards rushing and 16 TD’s; 478 yards receiving with 2 TD’s
White 1,302 yards with 24 TD’s
Russell fills the Leinart role
DMac fills the Bush role
Michael Bush fills the White role
Combine this offense with an average or better D and we are talking about playoffs.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Not what I heard trevjo. The only thing they criticized Johnson on was some of his passes wobbled a bit. Matt Ryan had the same problem and he could go One overall. Do YOU think pro QB coaches couldn’t work that out??? Especially considering he has a 6 to 1 TD to Int ratio????
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
i like the youtube interview with beau bell- the guy is funny- his favorite hobby is sleeping and watching film and oatmeal- good ead on his shoulders… let me see if i can find th eother guys- i cant get the time to watch as much college football as i would like too– you tube is awesome for this stuff…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
The quarterbacks have sucked sinse Gannon left, JR will change that this year and they will start winning again.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Tom,
I can see drafting Chris long over McFadden, but after Chris long, which defensive player in the top ten is going to help us against the run?
Gholston is a small DE that is more of a pass rusher, which we already have with Burgess.
Ellis is a small pass rushing DT like Sapp and would play in Kelly’s spot, which would mean Kelly would be the highest paid DT in the NFL and we would have him playing out of position at DE, lol.
Dorsey can stop the run, but even he is undersized and the same issue would present itself with Kelly.
Neither Ellis or Dorsey can play Turds spot, they simply are not big enough.
I don’t think there is an answer to our run defense in the top ten unless we get Chris Long, who is big enough to take Richardson’s spot and play opposite of Burgess. He will stop the run and pressure the QB.
None of the others really fit. Gholston would be nice, but imagine have a d-line where our two DE’s are both under 266 lbs…wouldn’t teams run on us like crazy?
So if Long is gone we really should pray that McFadden, the highest rated player in the draft, is still sitting on the board for us. McFadden will do nothing but improve our offense and take pressure off of Russell.
Some of you guys act like we are set on offense, but we are far from adequate on offense. Drafting McFadden will do much more for our offense than drafting Ellis, Dorsey or Gholston will do for our defense IMO.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
who cares about Nolan going on NFLN.
Nolan will be gone after this season anyway.
Nolan coming on with “suits” and getting all this silly press is stupid and silly.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
It usually takes a team 5 years to rebound from salary cap issues, look at the Titans for example, unless you have a good quarterback like New england.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Trade down and take Sims in round one along with Barker.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
what about Dan Connor from Penn st or Ali Highsmith from LSU
March 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Gholston is small?
6′4 (with cleats) 266 lbs rock solid and benched 37 reps?
Come on…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Scroll up Tom and see how McFadden did vs Sims and company at home.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
BBB
Yeah Jumpy´s kid, were you the one who brought him up a few days ago? someone did and I looked him up, could be a nice late round addition or UFA.
You know, it´s like these scouts won´t learn that rushing the passer comes naturally to some of these smaller college DE´s and they instantly say, he´s too small, move him to OLB, like with Bruce Davis. Just look at Clemons he´s the same size as Davis and he did fine.
I´m also wondering if we are gonna be the team that gives Tommy Blake a shot, huge risk but if he´s head is on, they say he can play.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I’d like to see Bruce Davis available at the top of the 4th round. He’s pretty light tho??? Doesn’t he go about 240??? I guess that’s OK for an OLB, but still???
Dan Conner is going to go late lst round. Ali Highsmith is someone I really like altho his stock is dropping big time. His 40 time was very slow at the combine. How that could’ve happened I don’t know because he ran down Dmac from waaay behind in that LSU Ark game last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
after watching the you tube clip i remember the usc-ucla game with davis at the end- and the knee to the cal guy they replayed on espn— This guy called out the media after the USC loss– he should fit right in Raiderland-
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Thats the smartest thing Al and Kiff could possibly do is trade down with Dallas, take a DT and a OT.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Jerry-
try not to take the crit. too hard. I was caught a little off guard a few weeks ago when you wrote that you had no rooting interest in the Raiders- or something to that effect- that you basically just worked for them and you aren’t a lifelong Raider fan. At first this kinda upset me then I realized that’s probably a big reason why you’re so good at this. you just report the facts without bias.
I appreciate this much more than a cheerleader who would tell us that everything is gravy and we’re sure to go deep in the playoffs this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Totally agree with that Eyepatch.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
and if you read this far into the comments I’ll be really impressed.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
yeah we need to get some more third throug fifth round draft choices so we can pick up guys like this for the defense– lots of rested and healthy good plus guys are better than a few great but tired ones at the the end of the game on D- which is where we lost them— on teh last drive , or on the 20 yard runs that a good safety will take care of–
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
…..smells like……victory!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Poole is just one more another Raiders hater…its quite easy to find them…whats hard to find these days is someone objective and hopeful…
I guess that pretty much leaves it up to us..the Fans…and a few curious onlookers…like Marshall Faulk…with enough sense to not dismiss AD and his accomplishments as others have…some of us realize that the “Old Man” still has a few Aces up his sleeve…and he has chosen to play them…here and now.
He didn’t get into the HOF for being a dummy…silent owner. Yes, he is brash…arrogant and irreverent…thats what we love about him !!!
AL DAVIS FOR PRESIDENT !!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
another player that the raiders coaches screwed up on besides brayton was with sam williams….he was more of a pass rusher at fresno st…and they went and did someting dumb and converted him to the SAM OLB spot?
Sheesh….
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Jerry needs to get on the bandwagon now before they surprise everyone this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
i am on jury duty today instead of the hospital, but none of the public defenders want me on their cases – so i get to read, watch tube and comment all day
March 25th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Bob,
Tommy Blake scares the crap out of me, he could be all-pro, but if he decides to go to Mexico the night before the super bowl it would kill this franchise. I don’t know that Davis wants that kind of trouble again. I agree about the small DE’s though, I think that is one of the reasons that Al let Clemons go, he is very replaceable, because great, undersized DE’s are always available in later rounds of the draft. I heard that the Raiders showed interest in Geathers at his Pro Day.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Gholston might be “small” but he still benches 450.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
usually noone wants to trade up, but this year as their are six or seven roughly equal dudes on top, i can see good offers for a trade down— if the defensive ends and mcfadden are all gone– than we especially have to trade down- but then there will be less intrest to trade up as well— ideally we trade down a few spots- get one of the DE’s/McFadden and get a some more middle round choices– i think someone above mentioned a new mock draft with that scenario– which site is that on?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Eh, doc, could be worse I guess. You could be ON one of those juries. We REALLY need a surprise steal coming in the late rounds. My theory is with the deluge of underclassmen coming in, and the time allotment for selections reduced, guys are going to slip thru the cracks this time more than ever. Especially USC guys. Most war rooms will probably think that program will be picked over more than practically any other in the nation. If a couple of SC guys fall thru the cracks, hopefully Kiff will be there to scoop em up!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Darknight,
Gholston is not too small to play Burgess’ position, but usually the other DE is much larger and plays the run.
Replacing Burgess with Gholston is treading water in my view.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Dakota -
I’m back from watching last nights game on DVR and I have to say that was not a foul when the Bearded One elbowed Kobe in the face. Kobe was sliding, his feet were moving to the left, clearly not stationary. Textbook blocking foul. Go back and watch it if you can, you will see what I mean, even through those Laker hued shades of yours.
I also watched the ending again. That was stright up Bush League! If that’s what it takes to seal a victory for a #1 seed then I don’t know what to tell you. Bush League.
I am just wondering how the Raiders bogus officiating rap has somehow rubbed off on the Warriors. Guilt by proximity?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Ok DSM
hahaha you sold me…dude you knew I was an SC Fan…in fact I watched that game with Young coming back with a few seconds on the clock to pull off an incredible victory/upset….watched it live from a sports bar/hotel lobby in the Philippines with about 40 other Americans…going wild….that was one of the greatest games I have ever seen…offensively speaking.
If we take Dmac and manage to score 50 points in any home game this year…you will see me bare my ass on the jumbo tron…and then pour beer over my own head…
thats how crazy I am …and how absolutely thrilled I would be to make a complete JACK ASS of myself…should such an incredible feat be accomplished by us merely adding DMac to our offense !!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Geathers is another UNLV prospect outside of Beau Bell and he aint too shabby either. They both would be pretty good additions.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Oakglenn, I did hear that a few of Matt Ryan’s passes wobbled, particularly when he was trying too hard to impress scouts with his arm strength. But what I heard about Josh Johnson was that ALL of his passes wobbled, with no exceptions!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Dakota,
the problem with Burgess is that he doesn’t play his position. He plays on the strong-side, when he should be positioned on the weak-side. Gholston plays on the weak-side, so Richardson can be moved to the strong-side. long story short, Gholston could be an upgrade over Burgess.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
If they draft a DT they can move Kelly and Joseph to DE but looking at the official site team player listings they picked up a OT named Wilson they claim has alot of potential, they could be setting up for McFadden. Check out the roster. http://www.raiders.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=146
March 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Dark Knight
…maybe Kiffin reviewed Williams tape from Fresno at ADs insistence and thats why Williams got a new contract…maybe Kiffin slips him into the front 4 since we are so very very shallow there….who knows…you could be onto something there…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I´ll see you guys later, nice talking to you.
Drray
Maybe you mean the Kirwan mock drfat at nfl.com, he says maybe we trade down with NYJ.
BBB…right on.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
raiders won’t be challenging for any division titles next season…just get used to 6-10 for the next few years. Have you ever heard of team chemistry? You can’t keep changing your roster, coaches, etc and think you’ll be great every year…I can’t wait to see this board after Walker misses the 2nd of the season to injury, Hall blows up on the sideline in Rob Ryan’s face and gets benched by Kiffin and then Al overrules him and makes him the starter no matter what either coach says…great drama for anyone that’s NOT a Raider fan. Thanks for the good times Chokeland!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Bart,
I guess it all comes back to Rob Ryan.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Undersized defensive ends work remember when terrel suggs came out he was sposed to be a top 8 pick but everyone started tlakin about his size and he slid out of the top ten or at ten i think and now look at him
March 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
GRIM,
How did Geathers play against good competition? I really think this kid could be good, but I am not sure what he is capable of coming out of UNLV.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Noraiderluv we all heard that back in 99.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Dakota,
No doubt. It doesn’t really matter who we draft this year, they should all be put on IR to protect them form Rob Ryan’s coaching.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Dogg,
You would have missed the shot anyhow, lol. Losers are bound to lose. Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Dakota
you are right and you are wrong…getting younger and stronger is never a bad thing…the fact remains we cant afford to trade Burgess when we only have 3 DEs on our roster..thats including Kelley…which would be best used inside…so how we end up trading Burgess for anything less than a second rounder is a mystery to me…at least we can replace him with a Gholston/Long and T Laws or Okam…or some other large DT in rounds 2 or 3…and them move Kelley out to DE…that I could see happening I guess…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Kiffin and Davis are working together or the Raiders would have signed Pacman instead of Hall. They like to call him MeAngelo in Atlanta but they forget he is a family man off the field with no issues, that has Kiffins stamp all over it.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Anthos,
Baltimore can afford to play small DE’s because they have great LBs to play the run. We don’t have that luxury.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
For She’s still queer:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479
Over the past week, I’ve read dozens of posts, blogs, and fellow BR writers’ articles detailing the false, and in many cases irresponsible, reporting of the Raiders. Although I don’t necessarily feel that this is only commonplace with the Raiders, one only needs to enter the realm of political reporting to see that, I can’t completely rule out that it’s not conspiratorial to some demented respect.
Stories that pound the Raiders with no quotes, no proof, and usually no facts. Don’t believe me? Read this quote from his ’story’.
written by the infamous Raider Hater himself, Monte Pool of Inside Bay Area:
“Kiffin has been mute about the Great Gear flap, wherein he opted not to wear his customary Raiders attire while coaching at the Super Bowl.”
Super Bowl? Even after being told the error early this morning, it’s still not fixed.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
two more weeks…and I am back in the 3rd world…devoid of pro football…and no internet in my house there…so the likelihood of me being on here is slim to none…until I return just before pre-season starts…I know you guys will all miss my lunacy and sarcasm….I will certainly miss reading you guys posts…for the most part…guys here are witty, knowledgeable,and positively loyal fans of the Silver and Black. I cant claim to be anywhere near as knowledgeable and smart, but I have enjoyed my time and education here nonetheless…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Deangelo Hall hasn’t done anything at Atlanta that would be cause for alarm. He supported a close friend during a very tough time, then he called out a coach who turned out to be a big phony. When the franchise turned on him for pointing out their mistakes he wanted out. I think the Atlanta fans started calling him Meangelo right about the time they were forced to trade him, sucks for them.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
You going to Montana Tom?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I would be surprised to us trade down with the jets unless the Jets want D-Mac badly!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
yeah thats the mock draft- from today on nfl.com– thanks BM…. i was a third of the way done skimming the posts and you saved me a good 20 minutes… I like the idea of taking mcfadden at 6 much better than moving up to take c long at 1, i like the idea of bringing in bruce davis as a legacy later on for DE rotation and getting a MLB– i dont like getting another QB or getting rid of burgess- blog is much better without madden raider/ im still here around — he needs a life or a wife or both
March 25th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
as for deangelo’s friend- wasnt that teh old raiders DT- GJackson?- heck sign him on as part of the rotation if hes not too expensive… could be good on irst and second downs in the second half
March 25th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Did anyone ever give me a slap upside the head for suggesting a MeShawn Johnson signing…one more WR with good hands and bad-ass attitude and swagger…would be helpful to say the least, on this years roster…I believe…just until our youngsters…(JLH, Watkins and Holland)find their way into the starting lineup…I wonder why he hasnt agreed to terms with Parcells yet…???
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
maybe the patriots will trade up three spots and give us our third rounder back plus a fifth—- if either of DE’s AND mcfadden still there at 4– we have lots of options
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Rams re-signed James Hall, a DE. Is this an indication that they will select Jake Long?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Drray says:
blog is much better without madden raider/ im still here around — he needs a life or a wife or both.
Bush & the Republicans won’t let him marry.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Raider TW, you get way too offended when people criticize Al Davis. Try and relax. Is he putting your kids through college? More like, the opposite, considering the windfall of cash going from your bank account to the Raider’s for season tickets.
Also, you should know that BleacherReport.com is exactly what it’s name says, it’s a report…from the bleachers. It’s a fan participation site, the articles there are not by journalists. Anything posted from there goes no further with me than you just posting your own op ed, right here in this comments section. Nice try, though.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Facts are facts, from jounalist or bloggers, try another response.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Full hour of Raiders football on NFL Network is getting to him.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Al Davis was at McFadden’s pro day! What does that tell all you doubters?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
All this talk about Gholston being weak against the run and being a pure pass rusher is Ridiculous!
Guys, Gholston had over 30 freaking tackles for losses last year!! Where are you getting this “weak against the run” bs? Are you guys just duplicating what Mayock is saying? If so then McFadden is behing Mendenhall and J.Stewart..give me a break!
Havent you heard of “coaching”? If he is stronger at pass rushing then coaching will give him the techniques to improve run assignments if that is his problem, which it isnt!
I am a huge Gholston advocate but have kinda switched gears with McFadden for one reason someone here mentioned….We shouldnt be drafting this high (God willing) in the following years so this might be a last shot at obtaining a game changer like DMac.
Im happy with C.Long, Gholston and now Dmac.
And for those that say he is small and undersized check out this article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14412-Oakland_Raiders-In_Defense_of_Gholston_s_Raiders_Career-240308
March 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Okay, I made that up, but wouldn’t it be something if he had?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
It has been since Gannon left inured that we have had serious problems with our offense. It all starts with the QB folks…and I am sooo stoked that we have Jamarcus Russell ready to take the reins for the next decade…hopefully he will get serious about off season training and diet in the future and become the HOF QB we all expect him to be.
God Bless AL DAVIS for taking a chance on him..esp after the young, drafted QB nightmares of the Raiders not so distant past…I still believe like many here that Walter could have been “that guy” with the right Oline and coaching…
I guess we will sign Dilfer and trade Walter…for a low 2nd to mid 3rd round pick as well as Washington…and look to the draft to fill the remaining holes in our roster…
I must say…with all these FA signings and our draft still to come..the chances of us landing some really quality undrafted rookies this season is very very high…as long as Kiff remains the HC…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
But he is no Pat Sims and the buckeyes always get crushed by the SEC, he is overrated.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
BBB- Like I said, Geathers and Bell were pretty much the cream of the crop as you might say. Geathers is a pretty strong DE. If you ask me he’s way underated as far as drafting goes. Hes 6′2″ 256 and runs about a 4.7.He benched pressed 225? 30 times. Hes rated somewhere like 21st out of 162 as faras DE’s go. But then again he came out as a junior. Hes a solid later round pick no doubt. His dad played for like 12 seasons in the NFL. I think his brother plays for the Bengals and his uncle also played for like 5 seasons or something. I’ll have to look it up.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Eyepatch, only someone who’s absolutely insane would put as much faith into an everyday fan’s blogging as they would a journalists reporting.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Well, Jeff Otis is back. As he’s nothing more than a willing arm, I guess we are really just stocking up for some serious practice.
I am going to be interested in whether some of the lesser lights start pressing for a space on the roster. We do need the likes of Jesse Boone, Jonathon Holland, Jonathon Palmer, Chris Morris, Seth Wand and Mark Wilson to be upping the competition. Jon Condo showed last camp that a nobody can become a somebody. We need some nice surprises.
Plus, this is definitely the last and final chance for those camp superstars Joe Echemandu and Will Buchanon to prove they can play as well as practice.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
my 7 year old son…is beating me down…’cause he wants to play online video games…guess its time to relinquish control to my future HOF video gamer !!!
hahaha
cya later guys.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
if we got grady jackson back- we could switch him and sands as nose tackles in 3-4 looks, if sands only has to play half or less, he may be occasionally dominant like he was two years ago before thw contract, plus rob ryan will be happy, i think the presonnel now fit both 3-4 and 4-3 much better than before, especially if we pick up guys like bruce davis later on
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dakota where did you find out about Al Davis at DMac’s pro day?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
The fans know more than the reporters so whats your beef?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dakota Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“Dogg,
You would have missed the shot anyhow, lol. Losers are bound to lose. Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.”
Dakota -
Ok then. Losers lose, like twice already this year the Lakers have lost to the W’s. You don’t have to be such a dick about it. Like I said go back and watch the film. Its all there in black and white. Kobe tried to take a charge but he wasn’t planted. Do you even know the rules of basketball? Or do you just blindly support the Lakers with no real eye on the truth?
I honestly expected more from you, but hey I do expect your type of behavior from a Lakers fan.
“Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.”
That’s exactly what Dallas said last year chump.
I will cut and paste that very quote from you and if the Warriors beat the Lakers in the playoffs you will never hear the end of it. NEVER! You got it coming…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I’m Still Here Says: Raider TW, you get way too offended when people criticize Al Davis. Try and relax. Is he putting your kids through college? More like, the opposite, considering the windfall of cash going from your bank account to the Raider’s for season tickets.
Man, you ARE misinformed, I wasn’t even reffering to Al Davis & I don’t have season tickets. I live in Denver!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Davis has stripped Kiffin of his duty, and Kiffin is entering a lame duck season.
Here:
http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/two-can-play-this-game
March 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Adam Schefter reports that an “inside source” saw Al Davis at Arkansas’ pro day.
More lies to follow….
March 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Whatever the case, TW. You still get pretty wound up when people critically discuss Al, with personal insults, etc. You should really chill. Davis has done nothing for you. You’re not a mut. You’re a man. Act like it.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
madden raider: i have friends who are editors on national publications who know less than some of the bright guys on this blog….. look who goes into being a reporter… teh guys who cant get or hold real jobs and arent talented enough to write real stories–
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
here you go I’m Still Here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102086.html
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Journalist jumping the gun and voiceing thier opinions are common just like bloggers. You got to sort out the fact from fiction. I am still not clear what point you want to make but feel free to expand your thoughts.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
RaiderTW,
Ever get the urge to hunt down Schefter?? Does he still live there??
March 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Maddenraider, what do you have against Al Davis? Did he fingerbang your mom?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Nobody paid attention to this article either http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-raiders26jan26,1,5570875.story
March 25th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
saintkaufman Says:
RaiderTW,
Ever get the urge to hunt down Schefter?? Does he still live there??
No. he’s in NY or traveling. Man, I’ve been agravated by him for more yrs than most Raider fans tho.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
One signing who hasn’t had a lot of attention is Rashad Baker, who we picked up on waivers from the Pats. I suspect he will be pushing Schweigert and Eugene for a back-up role behind Huff and Wilson. Baker certainly can tackle and would easily match Schweigert and Eugene for speed.
One interesting fact for you football anoraks. In 2004, Baker became the first undrafted rookie to ever start at safety in the NFL when he appeared for Buffalo against the Rams.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
i have a feeling the blof is deteriorating again- im out
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
people saying Gholston is weak against the run….are not paying attention to him and his game.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
“The Lakers also got a big break from referee Bob Delaney, who called Monta Ellis for a curious offensive foul on Derek Fisher — who didn’t like the call any more than Ellis — before the Warriors could even inbound the ball with 4 seconds left in OT.”
Dakota -
So even the man himself Derek Fisher didn’t think the foul should have been called? Man you need to try and keep up. Your own team is contradicting you.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I better go before Maddenraider sends me a virus.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I lived in Lakewood back in the early 90’s, went to some Donkey games. You are not in the land of Silver and Black my friend!!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Except when he takes the day off vs the sec.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Oh shite, looks like Dogg is still pissed about the game last night, lol. Dude, if the Lakers lose to the Warriors in the playoff I would not expect you to stop letting me hear about it. I can live with that.
I will never admit to the Lakers getting lucky…I am blind that way I guess, lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
eyepatch,
exactly…”journalists” jump the gun on half of there “stories” what they say is just about as credible as what any of us have to say really.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Put Ohio State in the SEC and Gholston is just another good player on the depth chart.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Dogg, I said it was a bad call. Should have been a no-call. What more do you want me to say?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
gholston was getting iinvolved in the game against LSU…is disrupted a handful of pass plays and was sliding his way to the outside agains the run when he could.
LSU was getting rid of the ball quickly also. Gholston was doing all he could….not his fault that the rest of his teamates didn’t step it up.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Year after year?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
i love lamp
March 25th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Read somewhere that Grady Jackson thoroughly enjoyed his time with the Raiders…think he went so far as to even say it was the best organization he has played for in his career…no bad-mouthing at atll.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Good one Stretch.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Him and Sands are buds I’d say being from East TN.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Dakota -
All I want you to say is that you will buy me tickets to a playoff game in Oakland and we can sit and talk shite the whole game. Is that in the realm of possibilty?
You’re right I am still a little pissed from last night and rightly so, you would be too if the situations were reversed.
You are right, who’s to say that the W’s would have tied it 4 seconds left. Hopefully in the playoff they will let them play, especially in a crucial moment like 4 seconds left in OT.
Either way, best of luck to you and yours and I just hope the W’s hold on to that 8 spot so we can have a 1st round old fashioned barn burner.
Now I must put on some Bob Marley and get centered. Time to let this nonsense go…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I hate Phillip Rivers. Jay Cutler has no one to trow to and Brodie Coyle, enough said. Our secondary should eat up the AFC West QB’s allowing our defense to focus on defending the run. We still desperately need DE help. If we don’t trade down, we need to take either C. Long or Ghoulston, both of whom are monsters and play hard on every play. Our defense should be ranked in the top 5. What about Takeo Spikes?
Offensively we should be ruch for at least 1500-1700 yards with Fargas and Bush. Walker and Curry provide deep threats for JR while Carter will be used more in the slot similar to Wes Welker did last year for NE. Zach Miller will be difficult for any TE to defend and will be JR’s favorite target by mid season.
8-8 record, no worse than 2nd in the division if not the title.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
forgive my typos bro.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
The last two days the Raiders have added twoQB’s to the squad. Looks like most of our pre season games we will see very little of JR and the coach will hold out JR until the season begins…………Also checked out e bay for raider tickets…last year they listed hundreds now have less than twenty.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Just GrandDaddy Baby!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Something that just occured to me. A lot of people (on this board and other places) have tried to compare Darren McFadden to Adrian Peterson. Mostly, IMO, because they had a similar hype level coming out of college. But Peterson is such a physical contact-seeking runner that there doesn’t seem to be any comparison.
McFadden is a speed back. In that respect he is much more similar as a prospect to Reggie Bush. Anyone who assumes that McFadden is automatically going to come in and break 40-yard runs every week should consider Bush’s results. Bush has struggled to establish himself as a runner in the NFL. He has, however, made a huge impact as a receiver out of the backfield for the pass-happy New Orleans offense. But he has rarely been able to break free for long runs, and the big holes he enjoyed to get him into the open field in college have not materialized. And McFadden does not excel in the receiving game the way Bush does.
Now granted, the Raiders do a better job of run-blocking than the Saints do. But, the Vikings do a better job of run-blocking than the Raiders do, with Hutch and McKinnie.
Don’t believe that McFadden and Bush are similar runners? A lot of fans seem to think of McFadden as a back with pretty good size, but in fact he has a very slight build. At the combine, Bush measured at 5′10.7″, 201#. McFadden measured 6′1.2″, 211#. That’s not 10 extra pounds of power, that’s simply from the extra 2½” of height. People keep posting highlight videos of McFadden’s big plays, but it’s rare to see him breaking tackles, he’s always getting to the corner or darting through a big hole and running away from people. As Bush found, it’s not that easy in the NFL.
McFadden ran an official 4.33 40 at the combine. Bush ran a very comparable 4.37. In the broad jump, a good measure of explosiveness, both leaped 10′8″. In the vertical, Bush skied 40½ inches, to McFadden’s 33. Bush is known for his agility, McFadden is not. Bush was known as a great ball handler in college, McFadden has a reputation for fumbles.
I don’t see McFadden being as good of a prospect as either Peterson OR Bush. Don’t believe the hype. If we pick this guy thinking he is a once-in-a-decade type player, when in fact he will not even be the best player available, we will be sorry.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
No Woman Don’t Cry!!
Sorry Dogg, too easy.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
If the season started tomorrow, this would be our likely roster:
QB: Russell, Walter, Meyer
FB: O’Neal, Griffith
RB: Fargas, Bush, Rhodes
TE: Miller, Madsen, Stewart
WR: Walker, Carter, Curry, Higgins, Holland, McFoy
OT: Harris, Green, McQuistan, Henderson, Wand
OG: Gallery, Carlisle, Morris
C: Grove, Boone
DE: Richardson, Burgess
DT: Kelly, Sands, Joseph, Warren, Shaw
LB: Morrison, Howard, Williams, Thomas, Alston, Ekejiuba
S: Wilson, Huff, Baker, Eugene, Cooper
DB: Hall, Asomugha, Routt, Washington, Bowie
K: Janikowski
P: Lechler
LS: Condo
Overall, it looks stronger than last year, but there are still glaring weaknesses at DE and OG/OT.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Dogg,
I wish I had the lettuce to do that, it would be my pleasure. I would not even hold it against you when you kicked my @zz in the parking lot after the Lakers smoke the Warriors.
And you are right; I would be just as pissed as you if the shoe was on the other foot. I am still pissed at the refs in game one of the 2004 finals when they started calling bogus fouls on Shaq which took them out of the series.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Yes, the only dispute to your analogy I can come up with is McFadden is in his early 20’s and is big for his speed at 6′2″ 210 pounds. He can add bulk. He has an uncanny ability to get first downs when you need them. He falls forward most times and finds the seems to stretch out for first downs running or catching and is a threat to take it 80 yards whenever he touches the ball. Defenses will have to game plan for him alone. Huge help for JR in my opinion. If he is there at 4 they got to take him.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I can actually see Kiffin and Davis trading up to get him.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Dakota -
You know if I kicked your @zz I would still buy you a beer. Plus I have a feeling that fighting you would be no easy task. We’d both need a few beers.
I used to get into fights all the time when I was younger, I can be very blunt and borderline dickish and that doesn’t always go over well. The funny thing is the few guys that I’ve gotten into knock down drag outs with have all became great friends with in the end. Sometimes you have to kick the crap out of each other to truly appreciate that other person.
I think I may have the lettuce to at least hit one game in Oakland, we shall see.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
If Bush is for real they trade the pick obviously.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
If we do trade with the Jets so they can get McFadden, I hope we stay at 4 and pick McFadden and then only trade him to the Jets if they choose Gholston. Just make sure we get they guy we want before we make the trade.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92LY161Gww&feature=related
sweet goalie fight from last night with Patrick Roys son.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UIe8WsB1KZ8&feature=related
The fastest back from 0 – 10yrds I’ve seen in this draft.
Has WAY more moves and consistently breaks more tackles than McFadden.
Guess what, he’s not the only one!
Why waste a #4 when you can get guys like this in the later rounds?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
To those that think McFadden gets tackled easily here is a stat that says otherwise. 107 of his 309 non-touchdown rushing attempts saw more than one defender being needed to take him down. And thats in the SEC.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
enough of the mcfad. we NEED D line help. our trenches are really the only thing left to beef up.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
drray Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
i have a feeling the blog is deteriorating again- im out
Let me Guess???????? Oh, maddenraider is here. And the blog begins to deteriorate!!!! What an effing shock!!!!!!!!!!!! How could that be??????? It only happens EVERYTIME SHE IS HERE!!!!
Unitl you all stop communicating with her (Sybil) as most of the long term posters here have, we’re going to continue to have these problems with the blog deteriorating. Here are some of the AKA’s in no particular order:
I’m Still here = Trevjo = EastBay Ray = maddenraider = phony Bob Marley = phony Oakglenn = phony Tommy Trojan = Mary Steed = Joel Steed
MaddenRaidder, am I forgetting any other AKA’s????
March 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
NFLN reported 28 teams had repd at DMAC’s pro day including HC Lovie Smith.
However, they did not mention who, if any, was there from Oakland.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
http://www.hogwired.com/pdf2/90292.pdf?ATCLID=1206333&SPSID=33239&SPID=2431&DB_OEM_ID=6100
Sims vs McFadden take Sims in round 2 and take McFadden in round 1, we have 2 hybrid DT/DEs’ already plus 2 pure DEs’ and 2 pure DTs’.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Stretch, I completely agree with that. Shore up the defensive front, and this team is a .500 or better team. Don’t do it, this team is probably a 6-10 team and while that represents improvement, I don’t think Kiff would survive a 6-10 season.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
saintkaufman Says:
I lived in Lakewood back in the early 90’s, went to some Donkey games. You are not in the land of Silver and Black my friend!!
That’s for sure but Ratface makes it easier for me. You should see how pissed off the fans are especially when bring up the Greise story of his dog tripped him & caused an injury. Now it’s Marshall slipping on a wrapper. I get a lot of milage outta that today. I guess we signed the right WR. I still get S#!+ for the Raider sticker on my truck.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
LIGHTS OUT FOR MERRIMAN’S MERCEDES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2008, 4:26 p.m.
“Someone doesn’t like San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman.
More specifically, someone doesn’t like his car.
According to KFMB-TV, someone stole Merriman’s Mercedes and torched it. The car was found on Thursday of last week, without its wheels and rims.
The car reportedly was worth $187,000, but it was fully insured.
Per the report, police are following up on several leads.
Hopefully, the car wasn’t destroyed by someone caught up in a fit of ‘roid rage.
Just sayin’.”
I was with you guys on this blog all night last night right? Just in case somebody asks, I need an alibi…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Curious to see if the Raiders have published any numbers of us season ticket holders that have gone ahead with initial deposits by 3/21. Interesting if you could grab that information based on this offseason we are having fun with?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I hate to rain on the parade for DMc but some of you guys forget our “O” line cannot pass protect well enough for a rookie QB. We have no LT, one of the most important positions on the “O” line. Forget DMc, he would be great if we did not have so many holes or we are forced to take him for a trade.
Trade down to the jets or Dallas so we can get a ZBS franchise LT at least and then a center or some run support. Mendenhall is a better RB than DMc anyway.
Harris is decent at run support but lousy at pass protection. Henderson was pathetic in preseason and was no where to be found during the season, you want to trust JR’s life to him?. He should have been a starter for a 3rd rnd pick. McMullet is not quick enough for LT either.
If we cannot pass well enough to complement the run game, the run game will eventually get shut down even with DMc.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Yeah, RaiderDogg, you posted about 20 times we saw it.
How much did you get for the rims?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
raiders hsould be able to get there 2nd round back through trading some1. draft gholston 1st an exciting RB second round like jamaal charles. history shows tht running backs can come from no where. the RB wil have no pressure to succeed straight away get a speedy 1 and in a years time wel have bush crushing up the middle and possibly charles round the outside.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I got 4 grand a piece for the rims alone. I just finished installing the entertainment system into my 2002 Isuzu Rodeo. Now I can play XBox 360 in any seat in my truck and in the back. Sound system is sweet too.
The funny thing is the Cedes had these switches in the dash that when you hit them the car shook violently and the lights would go out. Weird.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Yo Dogg,
Just a reminder. Merriman does NOT play for the Lakers!!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I hope they got the stash in Merriman’s glovebox.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
You know, Shawn Merriman is well known as not being quite the sharpest knife in the drawer. he probably found the keys in his own pocket, forgot the car was his, took it out joyriding, and then torched it because he didn’t want his fingerprints on it.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Saint -
Even worse, Merriman is a Charger! At least I have respect for the Lakers. The Chargers do not deserve my respect and they will never get it.
Good one OG!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Draft Mcfadden, how many 2 hundred yard games, did this guy have in college, i’ve followed him for 2 years in college as i did adrian peterson, the thing these two guys do have in common is incredibale burst and vision, time after time i’ve seen Mcfadden explode into the secondary with one cut leaving the linebackers planted, then having the speed to outrun the d backs. I dont know about you, but far to many times have i seen justin fargas misplace his feet and lose balance while trying to make that game breakin cut, that mcfadden does with ease. Mcfadden is a thoroughbread at running back he has everything you want size speed agility, and plays big in big games as seen last year. He’s head and shoulders above the rest of the running backs in this years class. The only nack on mcfadden is they say his legs or dead on contact, keep in mind this is sumthing he can work on, and will work on, its not sumthing like speed which is god given talent. There is no strong arguement that makes sense in not drafting the best available player, especially when that player has the potential to be a superstar running back in the silver and black something we havent had since marcus allen. You can argue that we have fargas, rhodes, and bush. Rhodes is a 3rd down/ utility back. Fargas is comming of a knee injury, and his first 1000 yard season. Bush has yet to prove anything, hasnt played in 2 years. All the winning teams in this league have a solid running game thats the key to success, ball possession. Mcfadden teamed with these other backs, will present hell for opposing defenses, as we’ll have fresh running backs all game long. No better way to improve your Dline then by letting them rest, so they’ll be fresh in the 4th. Think about it shoot me a reply lets talk football.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Problem is there are no franchise ZBLT in this years draft and that position is a gamble as well.
Raiderdog,
Last night was not funny. You just took off without me after I played lookout for you. You promised me the games from the 360 as well as that great bong under the front seat.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder -
No worries bro. I just finished cleaning the bong for you. I apologize for last night. I saw Stan Humphries walking down the street and I got spooked.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Sorry Fabian. I’m more into “a good offense is a good defense” mindset. Thanks for the info.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
“franchise ZBLT”? Did you just make up that term yourself? Please explain what a “franchise ZBLT” is.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
i just dont think were a defensive linemen away from teh superbowl so why not draft the best available player
March 25th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
RaiderDog
Apology excepted. I’ll give you the cell phone with all his girls numbers when I get off the phone with them. Strange though, most of them worked outcall for that company that was busted.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
DMac had a short shuttle time of 4.08?!
WOW!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Fabian…DMc would be a great addition but what about the “O” line. In God I trust not Tom Cable. You got to have talent at all positions to get to the playoffs. The Raiders lost their last Superbowl because their “O” line fell apart when Barret Robbins went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs before the game. Grab J. Long or better to trade down.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Merriman talking to the cops about his car….
“What’s more chicken than messin’ with a mans car?
Boy, I wish I could’ve caught him doing it. I’d have given anything to catch that a-hole doing it. It’d been worth him doing it just so I could’ve caught him doing it.”
March 25th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I made it up, it was lame.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Fabian you’re right but we’re probably a stout defensive line away from being a playoff team! Then we would upgrade from there.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
mad road dog,
Raiders lost there last Super Bowl because there former coach Gruden who built that Super Bowl team…..was 5 steps ahead of Callahan.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
DeAngelo Hall still doesn’t have a number. Current available numbers are…
32, 38, 39, 41, 43, 44, 45, 48 & 49.
Without someone being released, which is very possible, I could see him taking #41 since he recently wore #21. #32 would be the next best thing.
Roster Notes:
#5 Erik Meyer QB – Never heard of him.
#18 Drew Carter WR – He was able to claim his original number.
#28 Gibril Wilson FS
#77 Kwame Harris OT
#84 Javon Walker WR – Original number.
#96 William Joseph DT
March 25th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Darkknight01…
That did not help the Raiders cause for sure but it was not Gruden breaking through the “O” to sack Gannon. Barry Sims could not handle Simeon Rice and Adam Treu subbing for Robbins could not handle Sapp.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I hope Kiffin opens up the playbook with JR because we need to take some chances next year if we want to be successful.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Good Night Raider Nation!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Our game plan in that Super Bowl was horrible. I don’t care how many passes Gannon completed that season, we should have gone into that game thinking 50/50 run/pass ratio on offense. The Buccaneers that year had intercepted 27 passes while only allowing 10 TD passes. Gannon’s 2 TDs compared to 5 INTs is actually BETTER than the average QB’s TD:INT ratio that season! We played right into their hands. Just another example why it’s important to have a balanced offense (for another example, see Patriots/Giants).
March 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Huff funny thing is that was one of my BIG criticisms of Kiffin. He was TOO conservative. Later in the year he said himself he was too conservative and was going to take the reins off some of the players. I think it helped, both him and the team.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I loved the fact that we were so conservative on offense last year. We weren’t going to put up huge numbers that way, but it was a great learning experience IMO. Now the team has confidence that they can run the ball. Whereas in the past, whether it was Callahan or Norv or Shell, if we fell behind we abandoned the run. Even if we open it up more this year, if we are down 7-14 points in game, I believe the team will still have confidence if we keep the running attack involved in the gameplan.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Oakglenn – I think McCown was the reason for him being conservative and I also think he wanted to establish the basics. He needed to get this offense to do the normal things. They needed to learn a new blocking technique. They needed to learn how to protect the QB with different players at each position. They had a rookie TE. Who knew that the RB’s would have so much success? There were so many questions to work with and I think Kiffin felt that if he could limit the mistakes of the offense, the defense would be there to save them.
Unfortunately, the defense faultered when they were supposed to be the backbone and being conservative on offense is the one thing that kept us in the games without letting the games get too far away from us. I don’t think Kiffin knew how to trust the guys on offense so he had to treat them like babies and most of the time, they disappointed him. If they couldn’t handle opening up the playbook then how could he justify it? They would just throw the game away early and none of the games would have been close.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
If AD sees Kiffin taking chances and airing it out and we lose, he will be more understanding because he knows we were being aggressive and forcing the issue. Thats one thing that AD appreciates. He would rather lose by punching someone in the mouth, then lay down and just get beaten. AD would have loved to have Favre on his team because thats what made Favre great.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
http://www.raidernews.com/x/article.php?story=20080325061315366
Great article in my mind. This is how I feel.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I have no link for this, but a friend just called on read on Raidersfan.net or some site that we are talking with Cincy with sending Stu, Rhodes, & a pick next year for Ocho Cinco.
Anyone hear of that?
March 25th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Trevjo- Something just occurred to me about DMac ….
What the heck are you trying to compare their running styles for? When someone says DMac can have a AP type of effect on an offense, they are referring to his ability to run the ball, not how he runs the ball.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
DSM Raider – Haven’t heard.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
The only thing I know about Ocho Cinco is 2wice he has told Mr Al Davis to call him – Once on Jim Rome is Burning and the other on NFL Live
March 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Well trevjo you contradict your hero Kiffin. Personally, I’ll take Kiff’s explanation over yours.
Huff, actually no, the team put up waaay more points early in the season, then it did in the middle of the year. As I’ve said repeatedly in here, to lay the blame on the defense, when you have a 25th ranked offense, an offense that scored 7, 14, 11, and 17 points in it’s last four games, and lost 2 games before that 13-9 and 17-6 to me is kind of short sighted. If you’re losing games 40-30, hey, blame the D!!
March 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
DSM, Chad wants out. Out Out Out!!!! Since the Raiders are taking other teams problems, hey, why not?? I’m sure they’ve thrown a phone call out. Cinncy is not interested in dealing CJ. The feel they can work it out, just like we worked it out last year with Randy Moss!! I think Chad’s a west coast guy, so this might not be a bad fit for him. He’s little. He’s not a big guy. Who knows??? I’m sure there have been some inquiries.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I’ve always kinda liked C Johnson. But after hearing and seeing him this past week on the radio and on Total Access all I can say is, “WTF”?
Total head case if you ask me. Great talent, but WTF???
March 25th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
He’s a headache but he brings it on every given Sunday
March 25th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’ve always thought Chad Johnson was a head case. People think his eccentric antis are entertaining, but think about what kind of person does all that stuff. He’s impossible to talk to. The guy’s compelled by forces that defy reason. Have you tried to take care of a drunk person while you yourself were sober?
March 25th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
DSM, ultimately my point is that I don’t believe that a back who relies on speed as much as McFadden apparently does, CAN have as much impact as Peterson.
Oakglenn, I’m confused, what is the contradiction that you are speaking of?
Also, as far as the offense vs defense discussion, the average score of our games was 17.7 to 24.9. That is bad on both sides of the ball. The average score in the NFL was 21.7. From that, you could make the case that we were worse on offense (4 points below average) than on defense (3.2 above average). Although it’s hard to say, when you consider how much running was done both by us and by our opponents, you would expect fewer opportunities for both teams, and low-scoring games overall.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
A couple of final observations on McFadden.
You also have to consider the fact that he played last season knowing full well that he was gonna be surefire top 5 pick in the Draft.
I can see him not forcing things all the time and trying to remain in one piece, specially when he saw AP drop valuable spots due to his injury concerns and Michael Bush end up in the 4th round after breaking his leg in the 07 Draft.
Also, McFadden will be 20 years old at the time he´s drafted, will remain 20 until a couple of weeks before the season starts, as good as he is, he hasn´t reached his physical peak and probably won´t until he goes trough a full NFL raining camp. AP for instance was already 22 when drafted.
Point is, there´s a good chance we have not yet seen the best McFadden can do.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
McFadden is a once in a decade type back.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI
New video of McFadden. He does run hard, but their OLine reminds me of when Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson would get 6-7 yards before someone would even touch ‘em.
Wow! Awesome athlete.
Still, draft DLine or Jake Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
And Arkansas had no passing game with SEC defense stacking the run he still stomped ass.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Bob that’s an excellent point. Watching Dmac at times, he didn’t seem like he wanted to be there. Now, knowing a HUGE payday awaits him if he doen’t get hurt, can you blame him??? But then again, it seems to me we’ve drafted waaaaay toooooo many guys who played for the money instead of for the game and the money!! The other point I make is he WAS running behind two All Americans. That can’t hurt.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
One thing alot of fans forget is Al does not pay linebackers or defensive ends top dollar, its not his philosophy.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Believe me you guys I would love to have Darren McFadden in silver and black. What I see when I watch tape of that guy is great vision, and unreal acceleration!! Watching tape, if someone told me, he has sub 4.3 speed. I wouldn’t doubt it.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Kelly is now a DT. I bet they let Burgess play out his contract and leave.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
saintkaufman
D-Mac to the Silver and Blac if AD see’s that video
March 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
This may not mean anything, but it worries me:
http://www.raiders.com/team/Default.aspx?id=102
Wilson is listed as FS and Huff as SS, rather than the other way around. Granted, Wilson is also listed as 3rd string, so obviously it’s not final. But it would be encouraging to see him listed at SS and Huff at FS.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
I hope not DoeDoe.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
TrevJo the way the Raiders run their defensive scheme the safeties are essentially interchangeable. It’s actually unique the way they do that, unless it’s an obvious passing down and their dropping Huff into coverage. In other words, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Finally! It’s nice to see someone finally give some credit to Andrew Walter. Everyone seemed to get on his case and proclaim him as unfit to play QB when the fact is that the problems with his play stemmed from an absolutely awful offensive line. When Walter has been given a normal amount of time in the pocket he has showed a lot of positive things. I was honestly very confused by the decision last year to make him the 3rd QB. I think he played better than McCown or Culpepper in preseason and I honestly believe they could have won more games if they had let Walter start all 16 of them. Of course, I am also of the opinion that a monkey with leprosy could have done a better job than Culpepper who hasn’t done anything since Moss left him in Minnesota.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
True Oakglenn. I just hope we see Wilson in the box more than Huff.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Iv’e been saying all along that Huff will remain @ SS because he shuts down TE’s – I dont see Huff moving to FS but everyone else seems to believe otherwise
March 25th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Walter just isn’t a fit in this system.
I saw him play in Seattle in ‘06(the famous Brayton groin shot game) and he got sacked 9 times!! 9 times!! Still a young QB, but you gotta know when to get rid of it for Christs sake. Anyways, he looked slow and scared. We had a couple of big play ops and he completely overthrew everybody each time. He’s one tough SOB, I’ll give him that. I tried to give him 5 in the tunnel but I did’nt want to give him his 10th sack of the night.
What a miserable night that turned out to be
March 25th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
They may be afraid to put Andrew in there lest he show up the 60 million dollar rookie
March 25th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
trevjo, one can only hope.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Those of you interested in McFadden or any of the offense skill players in this draft, do yourself a favor and purchase Matt Waldman’s Rookie Scouting Portfolio. His film study and scouting reports go way beyond what you get just about anywhere else, grading every aspect of the player’s game with specific examples from the tapes. Readers of the 2006 and 2007 edition were not surprised by the success of guys like Ahmad Bradshaw or Maurice Jones-Drew. http://www.fftoday.com/scouting/details.php
The 2008 edition will be available April 1. But Waldman has already finished the analysis for it, including 6 game tapes of McFadden, fully reviewed twice each. Here is what he said in a preview since so many people want to know about Run DMC:
“this former QB repeatedly demonstrated noticeable deficiencies that I believe will prevent him from making a consistent impact as an NFL runner: falling backward when making direct contact against first and second level defenders because he runs with poor leverage; the tendency for his legs to go dead upon the initial wrap-up; lacking the ability to change direction with a hard plant and cut; impatience with his blockers; and poor ball protection techniques. Many people have compared McFadden to Eric Dickerson or Adrian Peterson, but the only thing McFadden currently shares with these two backs is his speed.
McFadden’s power is actually something worth calling into question. I am not skeptical of his strength and athleticism. He has plenty of both to be an elite NFL running back. The problem is his knowledge of how to use it. Any type of power you generate when it comes to delivering or deflecting a blow comes from the legs and hips. Not only do they have to be strong, but they also need to be positioned well to transfer energy from your body to your target. They explain this in more detail on shows that study the physics of martial arts—for example, National Geographic did a special where they hooked up UFC fighters like Randy Couture to sensors that measure force and flow of energy throughout the body.
I know it seems a bit like a jump to apply this to a running back, but its not. Think about a runner heading through the line of scrimmage and they are about to face a DT, LB, or DB greeting them head-on. If the runner’s hips are and knees are bent, his shoulders generally have to be leaning forward so he can explode into the contact. When he makes contact the energy transfers from his legs in the ground, up his hips, and to the point of contact with the defender. A great runner has learned through a combination of repetition and intuitive assimilation of practice and game situations (natural talent) how to subtly change the angle of contact in close quarters while delivering enough of a blow to at least “shed” the tackle, if not just knock guy on his butt. This is why a back such as Eddie George who “ran too high” coming out of college actually was a good NFL player. He was taller than the average back, but he knew how to lower his shoulders and bend his knees and hips so more times than not he exploded into contact.
The same can be said with Eric Dickerson. Most people remember his “upright” running style, but if you watch highlights that don’t involve him running through creases untouched for 40-60 yards and looking like Carl Lewis in pads, you’ll see a guy who could get low very quick and deliver a blow with his shoulders into contact. Adrian Peterson is capable of the same thing. I never once worried about his upright running style. The guy has monstrously great balance. When I first thought about comparisons to Peterson vs. McFadden I would watch how McFadden would get yanked out of bounds by the arm a hit to the hips, or a horse collar and see right away from the standpoint of balance Peterson is way different–he stayed in bounds on plays like this all the time (which is what is one of quite a few things special about his skills). But this also has to do with hip and leg alignment and strength.
When I see McFadden in the hole he gets yanked backwards more than many backs (even compared to 6-0, 200-lb Felix Smith) in the hole or knocked down on is butt from head-on hits because his knee bend and hip bend is just not there. How can you tell? Look at his shoulders. A back like George or Dickerson often ran as if their shoulders were a big hand on a clock pointed to the number 2 or at worst between the number 1 and number 2. A back like McFadden is somewhere between the 12 and 1 and never quite at 1. It’s why when he gets hit in the hole he’ll fall backwards more than the average NFL-quality prospect. A back like Edgerrin James, who is unbelievably good at getting low often gets closer to the number 3 position with his shoulder lean as he is still running forward. You can’t do this unless your hips and knees are bent.
It is not to say that McFadden never lowered his shoulder, but it was generally done in the open field with a significant running start against a defensive back. To his credit, he also ran the designed offensive plays to perfection. Arkansas did a terrific job tailoring an offense around McFadden and Felix Jones by forcing defenses to overplay one and get burned by the other. SEC defenses are aggressive and fast. Arkansas Wild Hog defense really worked well to take advantage of their over aggressive tendencies. It’s a glorified counter play with end around play action to a proven runner with 4.4 speed in Jones. How can a defense not wind up out of position as Mcfadden follows a pulling guard? To Mcfadden’s credit, he follows the play to perfection, but the problem came when McFadden had a reasonably normal freelance opportunity and he didn’t possess the vision or patience to allow these normal alternatives to develop when there were no other choices. I’ve heard McFadden can catch, but after watching six games over a two-year period, I saw a runner who dropped easy passes on a consistent basis.
Like Reggie Bush, McFadden will learn that his speed isn’t as much of an advantage in the NFL as it is in college football. Speaking of Bush, I was very high on the USC back and still believe he has the skills to live up to the hype if he can stay healthy and stop pressing so hard to make the big play. In contrast, I think McFadden is more of a project that can develop into a franchise back if he corrects some serious deficiencies and works his butt off to do so. I believe the odds are against him and he will most likely disappoint because I he’s not as instinctive of a runner as many with far less physical talent but can pick up the secondary hole and run with patience to get 3-5 yards when it looks like they might lose 2-3 yards. The one way I could see how his evaluation is off base is if McFadden’s injuries severely altered his running style and he was generally cruising off his incredible speed, but I’m skeptical this is the case. “
March 25th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Well JD, and believe me I like Andy alot, and I think Andy has a great future in the league, but the problem with his play was not only the Oline. Let’s not forget how appalling the offensive schemes and play calls were!!!
All that being said, I’m a little confused, because if you remember the one preseason game he started against the Whiners, he got picked, fumbled, and had another pass that SHOULD have been picked. Other than McCowns start in Denver and David Carr in the Coliseum 2 years ago, I thought that was one of the worst QB jobs I had ever seen.
Bottom line, he doesn’t fit the scheme, and it’s best to see if we can get something for him.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Wow,
Thanks TrevJo.
Man, could have used that this afternoon!
March 25th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
“has said he slipped on a fast food bag on Saturday and put his right arm through a home entertainment center. Schefter reported that he told the team he was wrestling with family members when he got hurt.”
It’s No Mystery…He just had a FREAK accident…It happens!!!
http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/426135
March 25th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I hate to see guys get hurt under any circumstance but I bet the Broncos are Sh!tting themselves over the loss of Javon Walker and the injury to Marshall. They’re screwed against our secondary. They better hope Travis Henry can do it all.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Don’t worry about the Buncos. They signed David Terrell the lst roudner from the Chicago Bears, cut him and then resigned him when guys got hurt. They’ll just bring him and Rod Smith and Vance Johnson back. It’ll be the Three Amigos part dos
March 25th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
The 3 Amigos vs. Asomugha, Hall and Routt. I’m not scared at all.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
David Terrell and Rod Smith…LOL!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Well Huff Denver could throw Rod Smith, Haven Moses and Sammy Winder against our secondary, and if we don’t have any rush, some one will get open.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
TrevJo
I have never heard of that guy and while his analysis seems serious, the guy is nothing more than a fantasy football guru….come on.
His career highlights when you click on his name are:
2006 SOFA Showcase Auction League Champion
Two-time (2005-2006) Fantasy Auctioneer Experts Invitational Champion
Finalist for the FSWA’s 2005 Fantasy Football Writer of The Year Award
Author of The Rookie Scouting Portfolio
And you said:
”Readers of the 2006 and 2007 edition were not surprised by the success of guys like Ahmad Bradshaw or Maurice Jones-Drew.”
Well, I´m affraid they were surprised by AP´s impact since this guys predicted the following:
”The Vikings will feel compelled to get their big-time talent into the backfield, but don’t expect more than a situational role for Peterson in 2007. Averaging anything more than 10 carries a contest will be a bonus for the Vikings rookie.”
Anyway, I don´t mean to knock on you or your guy, after all, if pro scouts miss out on 50% of first rounders you can´t expect outsiders to do any better.
I´ll just take what he said with a grain of salt and hope he´s very wrong if we do take McFadden and totally on the mark if we don´t.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Oakglenn – I couldn’t agree more.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
The Broncos, when keeping it real goes bad!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
The key is not whether McFadden can play in the NFL. The key is whether Kiffin can put him in a position to succeed. Can our offensive line block for a guy like him? Can the passing game be effective enough to take the pressure off the running game? Will McFadden be a change of pace, 3rd down specialist or a 25 carry back? All of these factors will weigh in on how successful he will be and thats in regards to any team. McFadden could be horrible on our team but tap into his full potential on the Packers. You just never know.
Based on what Kiffin was able to do with Reggie Bush at USC, you would think he would know how to use McFadden but that was college so theres not telling.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Sapp – 2 sacks
Burgess – 8 sacks
Howard – 1 sack
Huff – 1 sack
Kelly – 1 sack (Listed as a DT not DE) hummm…
Morrison – 1 sack
Richardson – 1 sack
Turd Sands – 2 sacks
Thomas – 2 sacks
Warren – 4 sacks
23 sacks. May have missed a few.
I agree. They have to get more pressure.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Just checked the stats. Raiders were 28th in the league in sacks with 27.
Only ahead of the Bills, Falcolns, Panthers, and Bengals.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
This just in… Raiders sign QBs Jeff Otis and Erik Meyer.
interesting to say the least…
-WR
March 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Falcons…
I don’t know who the Falcolns are!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I have it from my contact on the island, regarding the 4th pick…unless something unforseen happens, the pick will be Sedrick Ellis,..this source of mine tells me its a lock,..and this is my main island source…and no its not Artie, who got canned and was never talked about.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
If the Raiders take Ellis at DT, it is a lock that Kelly will play DE. Unless they think Richardson is ready to be a full time starter.
They will have Warren, Sands,Shaw and Ellis at DT.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
And another thing, who gives a F about qb`s…Russell will me Peyton Manninglike with snaps, he will never get hurt and never miss snaps,…dont give any concern to 2nd or 3rd string qb`s,..waste of time worrying about that.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I still hope for Gholsten.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
No blitzing, no sacks. We used to blitz when Gruden was the coach. We need to blitz more, ESPECIALLY in the fourth quarter.
As someone here said, draft D line or Jake Long.
Alameda Insider, Sedrick Ellis would be fine.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Ideally Long, Gholston and then McFadden leads the Ellis, Dorsey, Long group at this moment for me.
Dakota mentioned the Rams resigning James Hall, they cut him earlier but went back and gave him a 2 year deal. While it´s hardly a big move, it does provide them with at least a stopgag option at DE and hopefuly they decide on Jake Long.
I´m still worried that NYJ and NE set out to get Gholston and end up trading up with ATL and not with us.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Damn friggin coin toss
March 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
And once and for all, there is one college player I can tell you right now as a solid gold fact that will NOT be drafted by the Raiders…Darren McFadden,…so enough of all that,…it will not happen even though he will be on the board. My source on the island told me today that Mike Bush will be the workhorse by week 4….sees him in the gym and on the field running daily,..hes ready.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
AI,
If you really have a source, how does he say Russell looks?
March 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Gholston extremely overrated,…Big-10 was down,…the Raiders really like Dorsey, but feel he will only last a couple years with serious leg issues,..hes tough, but wont be able to overcome bum leg…they wont consider him,..its Ellis,..book that.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I like the ideal of Bush getting some PT.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Hip,..I talked to all of you about Russell during that overweight baloney,..hes at the gym at HQ daily, twice daily,..not even remotely out of shape,..my contact tells me he does cardio with Kiffin daily,..on the field with Knapp daily,..hes there every day…dont sweat Russell,..he will be dynamic from game one in 2008
March 25th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
AI, I’m on record saying I’m fine with Ellis, even over Dmac. Move Kelly to NT, Ellis to UT, and opponents, why don’t you try running thru this here brick wall?? Works for me.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Oh and another Russell fact, he may not like it publicized…he lives in a great house in a gated community in the Oakland Hills,..with his mom…neighbors with A`s GM Billy Beane.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I have no prob with Ellis either, except for his college jersey number.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Making me feel all warm and fuzzy with that info. Hope you know your stuff!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Not that I’m all fired up about Sedrick Ellis, but I wish I could take you seriously, AI. How the heck are we supposed to know which AI you are?
March 25th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Ellis has reportedly said, not confirmed by me, that if he is a Raider he would like to wear Derrell Russells number.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Frozen, thats not my problem,..I am fully aware of my clones in here,..they try and bring me down to their level but it doesnt work,…I am the real mcCoy,…my season tix are in 127,..about 4 seats from Charles,..aka Darth Raider.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I hear ya.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I prefer C Long and believe he’s the best DE in the draft.
Long will give you stability at the position with double digit sacks.
Gholston could possibly give you 15 sacks, but how does he help on the run D?
Anyone have good info on Gholston and his rush D against good teams, not the normal Big Ten crap they play?
I hate the Big Ten because if you win against Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, & Michigan State you are set for a bowl bid. Wow, tough schedule. Wisconsin, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and now Illinois can thank the BSC for their cupcake schedules.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Speaking of Charles/Darth,..you guys ever read his blog on the Oakland Trib website?….Im there once in a while,..as Stabler,..because I wear a Stabler jersey to every game.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
So Ellis is #1 on the Raiders board? I find that hard to believe.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
No Dallas trade, then. How about Fabian?
March 25th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Well,..Davis would love nothing more then to have Chris Long,..but knows thats impossible,..he could trade with the Tuna,..but after last year and what he spent this past month, he cant do it…the top pick is toooooo pricey….the 4th pick might be like 20 million less in signing bonus….especially if its for a DT.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
No JHill,..they have Chris Long atop their board.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
LOL. Peter King´s hypocrisy and stupidity were in full display today in his column, it´s about King´s advice yesterday to Jerry Jones on Pac Man :
“I’d especially want to find out about any possible pets on Pacman’s property.”
A reader wrote back to King:
”From Aaron, of Baltimore:
“What the h*ll is this? Peter, to imply that Adam Jones may be involved in illegal dogfighting is the type of substance-free journalism that is ruining the sportswriting profession.
And, to be frank, it reeks of racial undertones. Jared Allen had his share of run-ins but I doubt you would ever recommend a team with an eye towards trading for him ‘look to see if he has any pets on his property.’ Seriously, shame on you for casting such remarks.”
King´s lame, pathetic reply…..
”You’ve implied several things that I did not write, Aaron. “I’d especially want to find out about any possible pets on Pacman’s property.” That’s what I wrote.
Did I say anything about dogfighting? Not a word. But you did. Do you think I wrote this just to be provocative? I did not, and I stand by my advice to Jerry Jones.”
Uhm, yeah right Petey. What did pets have to do, if anything at all, with the Pac Man- Cowboys topic?.
Not that he´s a racist, he´s just a big time moron.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
One last possible move being discussed on the island,…its maybe a 50-50 possibility…dont rule out the Raiders dealing Huff to Cincy for a certain unhappy WR. Im done for the night,..if another AI pops in here before tomorrow night it will not be me.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Sorry if you don´t care about such stuff, I just find King annoying, nothing to do with the Raiders either, it´s just his writting, always the league´s lap dog, always making awful predictions and the backtracking soon after. I just have zero respect for the guy as a supposedly major insider, I do commend him for his trip with the troops.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Huff for Chad Johnson…
Can that deal be made by tomorrow?
Find another SS in the draft.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Well, I don’t see Al letting one of the best players in the league cry out “Come get me Al!” without making a serious effort to obtain him. He might have a hard time getting Cincy to overlook the $8mil cap hit for just Huff,though.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
How about Huff and next year’s 2nd round pick?
March 25th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I can’t pull up the site, however look at the first item pulled up in a search from nfldraftcountdown.com.
They are talking about trading Stu, Rhodes, & a pick next year for Ocho Cinco.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS255US255&q=raiders+bengals+chad+johnson+stu+rhodes
A buddy mine told me had read this as well so it’s quite interesting.
And by the way, Chad isn’t a west coast guy although he went to school out west he grew up in Florida.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
AI money for that pick isn’t even an issue if who they want is there they will nt hesitate to take him. We aren’t part of those respnsible for the cap so why don’t we let those who are do their jobs. We need players and if we can get a great one at that spot trust me they will there are tns of things that can be done to fix that potential problem.
You never run from talent because it might be to rich especially if the talent is ‘SPECIAL’. Let’s just wait and see who’s there that will determine everything unless we can rob someone of their draft for that spot.
Stop worrying about the money there is more than enough to get what we need. Just worry about the talent we get.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Marley, I know we don’t get along well but I absolutely agree with you regarding Peter King. What a sack of s’t. I believe people can be right on some things and wrong on others, and based on what I see in Oakland right now, I believe most of the stories on Kiffin. But that pets comment about PacMan and then the hideous explanation of it in King’s response (”Did I say dog fighting?” LOL!) is a reminder of just how pathetic reporters can be anymore. I’ve lost a lot of respect for King because of this, and I hope it doesn’t go away. Stephen A. Smith will certainly have something to say about it. Probably something along the lines of, “Whaaaat the FFFFF???
March 25th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I’ve been trying to tell these guy’s that we wont draft DMC unless several things happen; one,we have a secure trade partner for him. and that trade partner is willing to pay dearly to get him.
The Raiders like DMC but they’re not crazy about him, if they could steal him yeah but 20 mill gauranteed for a backup NO FREAKIN’ WAY.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
BHP- I don’t understand where you are coming from when you try to say DMac would be a backup?
Simply having him in the offense w/o touching the ball adds FEAR to the D. Is he getting the ball, is there going to be a screen pass, etc.
He only needs to touch the ball 20-25 times a game to be very successful. Combine him with another back, say Michael Bush (who isn’t the home run hitter everyone thinks he is) or Fargas and there’s and instant two-headed RB monster teams won’t want to deal with.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
If Johnson comes here, I’ll be convinced Kiffin’s on lame duck status.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
People talk about Chris Johnson, but like Selvin Young these smaller backs just can’t handle the injury bug from being too little.
Chris Johnson would be a nice 3rd down back, but not a feature or combo back.
In addition to Johnson there’s Steve Slaton and Justin Forsett.
If we were to take any back besides DMac I would be totally on board with taking Forsett with a 4th round pick. He’s a Brian Westbrook clone in size, height, speed, and hands.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Dsm-Raider,
I agree with you,on R-DMC
If what you posted about the players we could trade for Chad was right im all for it, but living in Indy dont see it happening,as far as trading with the Jets and still getting R-DMC,I say no stay were we are cause I could see the Chief’s and cowgirls working a deal last min. to screw us
March 25th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
You know who…
Yeah, I´m glad one of his readers picked it up and called him on it, the guy should have just played deaf because he looked even worse in his response.
Good night fellas, I´m calling it a day.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Anyone want to see Matt Ryan drafted by the Chiefs? We know they need O line help, but if they drafted the next Alex Smith it could be great for the AFC West!!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
DSM there are several backs that give that look all you talk about is homerun hitter. This league is a lot tougher than you think. What you don’t understand what MB brings is dominance tackle breaking dominance. I believe that the next AP is MB not DMC, speed is great but the greatest backs that ever played the game weren’t necessarily the fastest @4.5 40 245 is plenty fast. You’ll see after the 8th carry when DB’s no longer want to tackle this kid and he’s running all ver them late in games because they don’t want t hit him. That’s dominance
Chris Johnson to little for a 3rd down back? your kiddin’ right? we’ll see.
we will see, all you guy’s can think about is McFadden
I’ll be glad when the draft happens so that we can talk raiders instead of why we should draft another RB that wouldn’t even start and pay him tons of money.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
We have one of the most dominant running games in the game right now. MB will carry the load Fargas will come in and run like a mad man. I’ve seen all kinds of runners and the ones that dominant the most are the more physical ones. While Marcus Allen was n speed demon he wa one of the great runners in the history of the game. Bo Jackson was a freak of nature. MB is one of the best size speed ratio runners you’ll ever see and will command the ball 25-30 times a game. With Fargas running like a maniac there is no need for this kid at that price……………period
March 25th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
AI…thanks for the info and Stabler was one of my all time favorites. He partied so hard the night before the game that he would often times start the game with alcohol still in his system. Must of relaxed him.
SaintKaufman…you can’t blame that game on AW, he was playing behind the worst “O” line I have ever seen in the NFL. Blame the HC or the OC because they should have just run the ball as dumb as that sounds. That game was so embarrassing for the Raiders that I have not forgiven AD to this day. In the old days the Raider’s “O” line was always one of their strengths.
TreJo…Waldman’s analysis of McFadden is very similar to the analysis Mike Mayock made of him. Mayock illustrated his analysis by video comparing McFadden’s running style to Mendenhall and Stuart. If C. Long or J. Long are not around at #4 and we do not trade down, I would love to have Ellis
If we draft DMc and he does not live up to his billing, the Raiders are going to look very dumb with all the other RBs on board, especially if Bush excites.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Bob, I agree that Waldman does not have impressive credentials but it’s really his method that’s impressive. You’d really have to read the reports to understand the value of it. Predicting how a team is going to use a player, which you criticized an example of, is completely different than analyzing film on the player to detail the player’s competency in the many aspects of the game, which is what the scouting report is all about.
In the scouting portfolio, in 6 pages of Peterson analysis, he had nothing bad to say about Peterson as a runner other than ball security. He graded Peterson extremely highly for each game analyzed, and the only other consistent knocks were blocking and durability. Anyone who read the report would have come away with a very positive outlook for Peterson’s career. So it’s really not accurate to say he missed on Peterson in the context of his player evaluations.
Anyway, the point is, you can see these things for yourself. Some of the fans here have watched McFadden play a lot more than I have, and some may have even watched him as closely as a scout. But I can say that from what I have seen of McFadden, I have never seen anything that contradict’s Waldman’s concerns about him, and that includes all those highlight videos that are going around Youtube, showing McFadden sprinting without having to be physical at the line of scrimmage, make any sharp cuts, set up any blockers, or show any patience. That is why I doubt the guy.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
I don’t think McFadden strikes fear into defenses. He hasn’t even played a down in the NFL.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
PFT.com
And they got to see McFadden bench-press 225 pounds only 13 times. (He could still kick Fred Smoot’s ass.)
March 25th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Huff24, I don’t know what people see in DMC other than his 4.3 speed as if NO ONE else runs that fast in the NFL. It’s a joke, he’s a very good player and I think will make a decent pro but MY GOD you’d think he was the next Gale Sayers, this kid lacks moves, has tight hips, runs with a narrow base, can’t break tackles and fumbles like crazy. Other than that he’s great.
I like him but I don’t drool when I watch him on film at times he is very ordinary unless you can get him out in the open, then that’s when he shines. But how many times will that happen in the NFL. Not nearly as often as these guy’s think.
On the ther hand MB makes his wn holes, has moves, reaks tackles, finishes runs and flat out dominates.
When I watch his his film I falt ut can wait to see more and to see this kid wreak havoc on this level.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
that’s, flat out can’t wait to see more of MB. That kid can play and will make us one of the lost feared teams in the league you just mark my words, we already have what we need in the backfield.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
It’s funny priest what you’re saying. We were watching tape of Mike Bush and some fans were watching saying he doesn’t look that great to me. I was demonstrating to them on each snap, there are 3-4 defensive linemen in the backfield, and he STILL gets positive yardage. I was amazed at that. They couldn’t see it. But, hey, I shouldn’t expect them to.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
BHP…Awhile back I looked up scouting reports on MB dating back to before his leg was broken and a few of them talked about his speed as deceptive and while not as quick off the line as the lighter guys he had better top end speed than most….Bet he still does and I think he is a guy looking for something to prove.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Jh, I don’t want to break in here and answer for BHP but no doubt. The thing again about Bush that impressed me was the acceleration. That’s something that McFadden has. Another gear. Mike has the same thing. I think a lot of McFadden supporters probably don’t know much about Mike, or never followed him. If Darren McFadden is similar to Marcus Allen, Mike Bush reminds me of Jerome Bettis, with even more athletic ability than Bettis if that’s possible. Of course Bettis will most likely be a Hall of Famer so….. I probably would be more receptive to selecting Dmac if Mike wasn’t on the roster.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
And Bush fumbled how many times in college?………………..Zero?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
And Dmac coughs it up like a four month old baby. Just kidding…I like the kid. I just like his Olinemen more.
Nite all.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
How many times did Tiki McFadden fumble in 2007? — 15!
Morning guys!… or night for you =)
March 25th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Let tell ya’ DMC is just the opposite of Marcus Allen, Allen’s game was moves deceptive strength deceptive speed. great in short ydg/goaline, Marcus had more moves in one leg than Mcfadden has at all. Marcus was one very tough runner even though he wasn’t biult like it he broke tackles consistently and had a great stiff arm. The thing that people don’t really know about Marcus is how strong he was. A great athlete with moves galore.
DMC is just too easy to tackle, you don’t even have to wrap him up, if you hit him solid he goes down. That alone in my mind makes him just a speed back. He doesn’t finish runs and runs very straight linish. What he got away with in college he wont in the NFL.
He is nothing like Marcus if he were like Marcus I’d take in a heart beat. Marcus was unbelievable. Quiet as kept I would compare MB more to Marcus a large version of Maucus not quite the moves and elusiveness but more physical.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
This kid Chris Johnson is faster than DMC very elusive and quick great hands very explosive. He is Devin Hester out of the backfield a nightmare to tackle.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
He fumbled 27 times in his college career if you watch the Bowl Game when they got beat 41 to 14 by Missouri. He was very average, I saw a safety hit him with his shoulder and knock him over in open field.
I thought Felix Jones was every bit as good as McFadden, but he fumbles like crazy too.
I’m sorry as much as I like DMC he just is not the dominant runner people think he is and somene is going to be very disappointed if they pay him $50 mill to carry the ball 25 times a game. Because he’s nt even close to AP.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:54 am
if bush ready and can take a hit- then definitely dont draft mcfadden- Ellis will be fine- better yet if we can trade down a few spots and still take ellis- AI thanks for info- i think i trust your info more than the reporters- just as i said above
March 26th, 2008 at 12:58 am
if we do get cj, I hope chad and walker can get along, all of a sudden we would be set at the reciever position- just like in our secondary- if we take ellis i guess grady jaksons not coming back
March 26th, 2008 at 1:26 am
I just read that post #891 on Waldman very interesting how he articulates the science of athleticism. I study players very hard and understand exactly what he saying but I would never have been able to articulate it with such scientififc brilliance.
But what he says about McFadden you can see in one game tape although you should never scout off one game, sometimes you have to. Brilliant just brilliant.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:38 am
I just saw the McFadden youtube highlight reel, All speed he broke a total of 2 tackles in the whole reel. And ran through gaping holes. He is great when he can get to the edge or perimeter and outrun people.
Again he broke a total of 2 tackles on some 30 or more runs. great backs break 2 tackles on one run. And I’m sure that was his highlight reel over a 3year period. give me a game film so I can see if the guy can really play.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:37 am
McFadden is NOT the man.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:40 am
Remember that Marcus Allen played at fullback his first two years at USC while Charles White was the tailback. Marcus was a hard nosed player. He didn’t run people over but he was a physical player and had strength and guts.
He punished my high school team in the championship game.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:26 am
You think people hate the Raiders now just think how bad they would be hatin’ if we pick up chad johnson. We could go with a 3 receiver set with johnson, curry, and walker? That would be pretty sick!
March 26th, 2008 at 3:53 am
GRIM absolutely!!!! We need some swagger….but only from guys who can back it up.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:34 am
Jesus…McFadden can only do 13 reps at 225 lbs. No way do we want him! That’s high school stuff.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3311410
March 26th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:53 am
Post #891 says it all – Thats the same rant I’ve been making for months now. People – pls open your eyes! and divorce the hype.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Wow, I was just reading an article about Vernon Gholston that said he squatted 405 lbs. 20 times at the combine and bench pressed 455. Thats not strong at all. (LOL)
March 26th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Agree Copenhagen #975. I think he is a puss, not a Raider.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:01 am
DMC did 13 reps of 225 and Gholston did 37.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:06 am
If C. Long is gone at #4, grab Dorsey, enough with the Pac 10 bias. S. Ellis is not worth a #4 pick. Dorsey never missed a game in college, and he played in a real college conference, S E “f*cking” C, if he can play there, he is good enough to hold his own for the Raiderrrsssss!
March 26th, 2008 at 7:16 am
“Blackholepriest Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 1:38 am
I just saw the McFadden youtube highlight reel, All speed he broke a total of 2 tackles in the whole reel.”
Exactly. Here’s the link, first video that comes up when you search for Darren McFadden on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA
17 runs
11 touchdowns
Countless gaping holes
Only ONE run in which he broke any tackles (where a guy got more than a finger on him), and that was against Southeast Missouri State (3:23). No jukes in the entire reel, no spin moves, no stop-start moves. He’s the equivalent of if you played a video football game and held the turbo button down the entire play, every play. All he did was spring toward open space. That won’t be enough in the NFL.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I just watched that you tube clip and all I can say is “WOW”, did you see those holes he was running through?
March 26th, 2008 at 7:25 am
You could have driven a train sideways through those holes.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I wish we could wager on this site, I would clean up on McFaddy fans. Just like I would have on those who didn’t think we would take Russell this time last yr.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Helps to have a couple of all-American lineman upfront, Jonathan Luigs and tackle Tony Ugoh.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:31 am
We dont need Mcfadden, we need his lineman.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:57 am
I just hope one of the big three fall to the Raiders at 4. (Long, Long, Gholston)
If not, I don’t think you can go wrong with McFadden, Dorsey or Ellis. A better idea at that point is to trade down.
I still think Al will do whatever it takes to get C. Long like trade up.
March 26th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Grim is right. How do you have swagger if you can’t block. Not that we can fix our o-line this year…cause we’re way behind the eight ball, but I just hate to think what Merriman and co. are going to do to us if we even think about throwing the ball.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Merriman is going to get a OT, TE and a FB beating on him. With one of them taking him out at the knees.
And if he does find a way to get a finger on the QB, it is 270lb Russell that he will be unable to affect instead of Walter who seemed to fall over from the wind of Merriman running by him.
And Russell will be able to get the ball down the field to a speedy WR in stride instead of when McClown would throw one up that the WR would have to wait for so the DBs would catch up and make the tackle.
I can’t wait for the season. I haven’t been this optimistic for a season since the Raiders beat KC in January 2000 to go 8-8.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Blat please dont post. You are a complete moron, and everything you post is lame azz.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Hey One Nation, what are you going to call him out on?
March 26th, 2008 at 8:10 am
He is going to tell him how much he loves him.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:14 am
trufant down. now its NA’s turn.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Does anyone know anything about these 2 new QB’s we just signed?
March 26th, 2008 at 8:24 am
looks like they are going to have a QB compitition instead of getting dilfer.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Both QB’S are from the old NFL Europa, and are camp arms at best. No chance they make the opening day roster and Otis was there last season with the RAIDERS.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Hey Blat DEFENSE WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS… RF360. einstein get off Blat’s jock. Just Win Baby!!
March 26th, 2008 at 8:43 am
1000th
March 26th, 2008 at 8:44 am
In a way, I’m glad they are not going after Dilfer. The agonizing wait of waiting for him to get up after getting hit and suffering another concussion is not something his family or fans should have to go through. Every concussion is worse and even if he has medical clearance, he is in danger of one day suffering from boxer’s dementia. He should retire like Griese and Aikman before him with the same condition. Like all pro athletes, they don’t want to hang it up thinking they can still proform.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:51 am
I disagree, Sedrick Ellis is a beast. He is worth picking at 4th
March 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am
who did we sign at QB?
March 26th, 2008 at 8:57 am
oh good old Jeff Otis
March 26th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Einstein…can you name our starting offensive line?
March 26th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Einstein is on NFL.com looking for the starting Offensive Line of the OAKLAND RAIDERS it will be a minute BLAT. Just Win Baby!!
March 26th, 2008 at 9:16 am
playing on a stress fracture while using a bone stimulator for over six months….courage indeed but a very bad sign for dorseys longevity prognosis…..we use bone stims for malunion- the flow of electricity along the longitudinal axis of long bones help deposit the initial solid matrix– this is the not the strongest bone- over time concentric lamellar bone must actually replace for strength—also remember he had corrective braces on before….also usually CT used for evaluating bone or plain films…MRI’s mean joint invovement and bone scan mean ONGOING inflammation……all things to be wary of- that said he might just be an old school tough crazy guy- and if the joints arent involved- could be great for four years tops
March 26th, 2008 at 9:27 am
remember that a stress fracture imlies there is more force over time than local strength– it is not from a single jarring hit- ie the deficiency is regionl — unless the underlying imbalance is fixed- it will not resolve—-usually we see this in people who are oovertraining for a marathon– guys who are out of shape doing more than they should- if a young guy is doing this- he is literally playing his legs off- you have to appreciate the tremendous heart of the individual- but question his body— on the other hand- better preparation, more rest, playing say 30 snaps a game instead of the whole game….these might make him a monster
March 26th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I keep asking, but no one says anything. I don’t really watch Ohio State unless it’s a bowl game or the Michigan-OSU game.
Obviously due to playing the likes of Youngstown State, Akron, Kent State, Washington, & Minnesota I can’t really judge Gholston. He did play against Illinois, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, and LSU this year.
Anyone know how well he did against the run against LSU or any decent Big Ten team?
March 26th, 2008 at 9:34 am
beef up the trenches, we make the playoffs. plain and simple.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Drray…I always love your med imput. What do you think of Walker’s knees given Shanarat’s opinion and all the flak AD is getting for betting the house on Walker with his history of bad knees. Obviously the Raider medical staff looked him over so why the difference of opinion?
March 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am
We need to have someone inside the complex getting quotes and interviews from the players…WTF??? Do other teams have this and the Raiders are the only one’s on Lock-Down?!?!
March 26th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Great point MRDog about Drray, I would like to hear what he says about Walker.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:42 am
So far the scenario looks like son of Howie to the fish, so long Jake to the Rams, possibly Dorsey to the Falcons and either Ellis or Gholston to the Raiders at #4 if they do not trade down. Best scenario is to trade down, get the LT and center we need along with a DT.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Although I talk a big game about DMac, I’ve said over & over I prefer C Long over DMac and would prefer to trade down (ONLY if C Long isn’t available) to pick up extra picks.
It doesn’t have to be to Dallas either, just making a trade down with Baltimore we could still probably land Ellis in addition to some extra picks.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:52 am
DSM…I think the good Dr. is making his rounds, what would you do with the #4 pick?
March 26th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Okay McFadden haters, I just e-mailed this video to Al Davis. We are now a lock to draft McFadden.
This video not only shows that he is a much better QB than McClown, it also shows that he is not easy to tackle and he makes people miss. Check out 2:12, 2:50. 3:03, 3:19, 4:08, 4:30, 4:40, 5:05, 5:49, 6:24, 6:47, 6:50, 8:10, 8:43, 9:14…hell, just watch the entire video. WE NEED THIS GUY, HE WILL CHANGE OUR OFFENSE.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI
March 26th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Let’s go get Roy Williams
March 26th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Morning Nation.
Lots of interesting folk visit this site.We’ve got orthopedic knowledge added this morning. Great reads. Trevjo’s post 891 last night was excellent. A pleasure to come here as I almost always learn something I have not previously known.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Plus the humor mixed in with all of it.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Edmontosaurus,
how goes it?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:15 am
i think we should get c. long or gholston. projected line-up
DE- BURGESS
DT- KELLY
DT- WARREN
DE- GHOLSTON/LONG
OLB- THOMAS
MLB- MORRISON
OLB- HOWARD
CB- ASOMUGHA
FS- HUFF
SS- WILSON
CB- HALL
DOESN SOUND BAD AFTER ALL, DOES IT?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Why sign Erik Meyer and Jeff Otis when you’ve got Walter under contract or am I missing something? With having Walter I would think they’d bring DC back for number 2 or 3 guy. Someone has to mentor JR. I just don’t understand having 4 QBs in camp with less than 4 years experience. I really thought the Raiders would beef up the defensive and offensive lines. At least if they got a back-up QB they’d go after a wiley old veteran. Just not digging these 2 moves.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:17 am
DSM…sorry, somehow I missed your 1014 post.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Maybe they’ll sign the Booty soon too?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Cliff,
I think those QBs are nothing more than arms for camps, neither will make the final roster.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Thanks Dakota, I was wondering, just didn’t understand.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:24 am
CliffBranch,
wiley old vet? The entire FA crop of QBs this year consisted of not much. Grossman was the elite!?! Anyway, Meyer and Otis are just work-out fodder unless one of them shines very brightly. No need to worry.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:25 am
M,
You can call me Ed.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Well Cliff, with voluntary mini camps coming up, you definitely need some arms in camp to throw to guys. Jeff Otis basically is there for that, and to carry water to the Big Fellas. Meyer is actually an intriguing prospect. Walter Payton Award Winner as best offensive player in the Nation at Division 1aa. A TON of great NFL players come out of 1aa including Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Terrel Owens. My dad goes to that awards ceremony every year. I’ve gone a couple of times. It’s a blast. The two winners when I went one time were Rashean Mathis and Tony Romo. Pretty above average guys. Great kids. I really liked both of them. So Romo was a similar story to Meyer. Very successful at the Div 1aa Level, then goes undrafted. I think Cinncinatti picked up Meyer undrafted but, yeah, like he’s going to play in front of Carson Palmer?? So, let’s have a look at him. Obviously he’s not going to start here but, I think it’s a very good sign just looking at 1aa guys!!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Anyone know Ray Lewis’s contract numbers and what it’ll take to get him from the Ravens? These ain’t bad numbers for a 32 year old guy with 12 years in the league:
TCKL 120, SACK 2.0, FF 2, INT 2.
Just a thought…
March 26th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Oakglenn,
thanks for the info about Erik Meyer. Very interesting.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Cliff,
I think Ray’s personal number is 1-800-get-away. I think he would come to Oakland if we promised to defend him and his buddies in their next murder case.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Ed. Dakota,
is most of the citizenry in your environs a collective of donkey fans? and if so are they all beginning to peer out at the world with the pinched face-crazed eye look of Shanarat as the Raiders begin their rise once again to dominance?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:44 am
I would be quite pleased for Meyer to have a Jim Sorgi-like career here in Oakland.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Meyer or anyone else for that matter.
Oakglenn,
I know you like Josh Johnson, but wouldn’t it be better for his career to go somewhere that he might actually see the field on gameday?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I’ve been catching up on some post…
Looks like the lines are being drawn like they were last year at this time. The two camps are the ones who want McFadden and the ones who don’t.
McFadden is like Russell. Some see potential, others see bust. I am sure this will get heated in the coming weeks.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Jason Jones answered some questions today, not a lot of real info but worth a read.
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/
March 26th, 2008 at 10:49 am
What it Doo Nation
March 26th, 2008 at 11:04 am
it just does, DoeDoe.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am
how many times does it have to be said.
if a team expects to draft D-Mac and use him as a full time 30 plus carry workload style back….then they will be mis-using him! This is a player that an offensive coordinator and or head coach should use all over the place. As tailback….in split back formation…in a single bacl formation and in the eye. You also can use him in the slot..or the wide-our position. McFadden is the type of player you look to give TOUCHES…..not just carries from the RB position. By having DMac as a weapon on offense teamed with a dangerous QB and other solid RB’s and a decent WR corp with a good TE in Miller. The offense becomes dangerous and more importantly very unpredictable.
I lived in S.D. for ten years and still have friends down there that are Choker fans….and they do not want us touching Darren McFadden! They are scared….I like hearing that.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Does anyone have any solid info on where we stand cap wise?
I have heard a lot of different things.
Links would be great!
March 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Sedrick Ellis is a beast. He is up there with Dorsey, if not better. SC had to order 200 lbs dumbbells for his workouts; at the time, the weight room high was 160lbs
March 26th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Can’t someone push Al Davis into traffic? How much longer can this jerk hold on? He was responsible for making the Silver and black Great but he has now destroyed everything he built. But his dementia filled mind will not take the blame. Until he dies or sells the team the Raiders will continue to fall apart. The offseason has been a upgrade. BUT THE PRICES? FOR PLAYERS THAT HAVE INJURY AND CHARACTER PROBLEMS????? I can see this blowing up in that old farts face
March 26th, 2008 at 11:27 am
bob marley,
read jones article/blog.
I agree. It’s going to be D-Mac or Gholston for us I believe….C Long will be gone within the top 2 picks IMO.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Actually M, I feel the same way about Andy Walter. let him go somewhere, where he can contribute. It would be interesting to see what Josh can do in the pros. He could as early as 3rd round to Chicago. SD is also highly interested in him, since he played at U of San Diego.
K-Rock, last thing I heard was we were 4.5mm under. That’s probably the most reputable quote you’re gonna get anytime soon.
Lastly, the only farts I smell are coming from bama.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I found this article on PFT…(They are a rag, but sometimes interesting.)
RAIDERS STILL HAVE CAP ROOM
Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2008, 8:41 a.m.
Somehow, the Oakland Raiders are still under the offseason salary spending limit.
Per Nancy Gay of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Raiders were nearly $4.6 million under the cap the day before acquiring cornerback DeAngelo Hall. With Hall’s contract costing less than $2 million against the cap in 2008, the Raiders till have more than $2.6 million in cap space.
But keep in mind that, during the offseason, only the top 51 salary-cap numbers count toward the cap. During the season, at least 53 player salaries must be accounted for, and as players land on injured reserve and new ones are signed to replace them, money has to be available under the cap to accommodate these transactions.
So the Raiders will have to find ways to trim some cap room, especially with the fourth overall pick in the draft. One way to reduce the number will be to sign cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha to a long-term deal, since his exclusive franchise tender will consume close to $10 million in cap room.
A problem, however, will come in future years. Keeping Hall’s cap number under $2 million in 2008 only means that $68 million of the deal will hit the cap in 2009 through 2014.
In our view, however, owner Al Davis doesn’t care about 2009 through 2014. He knows that he only has so many years left to try to restore the glory of the franchise. So he’s pushing all of the chips — and all of the cash — into the middle of the table right now.
It might not lead to a Super Bowl trophy, but it should be fun to watch.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Hey Turtle: If you are still here, when you noticed that dude Walden’s recruit info about DMac you might also want to know last year he didn’t think Adrian Peterson would be anything more than a 10 carry back.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Does anyone know how to enlarge the font by using the keyboard.Thanx
March 26th, 2008 at 11:35 am
About McFadden´s Pro Day..
”The bench number is disappointing, especially as the average reps for backs at the combine this year was 21 and several people recently witnessed McFadden put up 20 reps.
However, scouts really couldn’t care less because upper-body strength doesn’t have a substantial impact on a running back’s ability and 13 isn’t an atrocious number.
The short shuttle time (4.05), on the other hand, is jaw-dropping.
In fact, the second-fastest short shuttle time we’ve seen thus far is Illinois RB Rashard Mendenhall’s 4.18 at the combine.”
Todd McShay, espn.com
If you are wondering what the short shuttle drill means, like I was, wikipedia says:
”It is primarily run to evaluate the quickness and change-of-direction ability of players by scouts.
While not as highly regarded a test as the 40 yard dash, it is still an important barometer used by NFL personnel to compare players.”
March 26th, 2008 at 11:38 am
This should lower the number for Nnamdi
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3313104
March 26th, 2008 at 11:41 am
raiderfan Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:34 am
“Does anyone know how to enlarge the font by using the keyboard.Thanx”
Go to drop down menu View->Text Size->Larger. That should help you…
March 26th, 2008 at 11:41 am
I know, it´s only workouts, you have to know how to translate it to the field.
Still, my point is that McFadden will be drafted at age 20, I think he is not a finished product just yet and all the tools are there for him to grow.
Now, if you guys don´t feel like risking the pick to find out, I understand, just saying…
March 26th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Thanks Dogg.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:43 am
DSM, that guy Walden’s read on Dmac was a little suspect to say the least. You could see on the tape, Dmac size up the defenders and then in a burst be gone. I thought that showed excellent field vision. When that guy Walden said he didn’t have field vision I was like huh??? I didn’t watch a lot of tape of Dmac but still, that was something I thought anyone could see.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:43 am
a short shuttle at under 4.10 secs is pretty eye popping! D-Mac did it…
March 26th, 2008 at 11:45 am
when someone comes in 2nd to the all time rushing yards to Herschel Walker…playing in a tough and fast SEC conference….then that player is..umm… pretty damn good and he has to have some kind of field vision but out with 50-60 yard TD runs like it’s a routine thing.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Dogg,
Lakers Rules, lol.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:47 am
I’m not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but after watching that 9+ minute video posted last night of DMac, one thing really stood out to me. Through 9+ minutes of highlights I saw DMac break 2 maybe 3 tackles out of at least 35 different plays. He also seemed to have huge holes to fly right through.
I think DMac has world class speed but I think part of his perceived greatness is an illusion. He was obviously playing behind an above average OLine, he continually had huge holes to run through.
Just some observations from the Dogg House…
March 26th, 2008 at 11:48 am
“Dakota Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Okay McFadden haters, I just e-mailed this video to Al Davis. We are now a lock to draft McFadden.
This video not only shows that he is a much better QB than McClown, it also shows that he is not easy to tackle and he makes people miss. Check out 2:12, 2:50. 3:03, 3:19, 4:08, 4:30, 4:40, 5:05, 5:49, 6:24, 6:47, 6:50, 8:10, 8:43, 9:14…hell, just watch the entire video. WE NEED THIS GUY, HE WILL CHANGE OUR OFFENSE.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI”
Dakota, I watched the video. I’m not sure we watched the same video, though. There were only a few of those where he broke a tackle:
2:50, 3:03, 5:49, 6:47, 8:10 (also 7:10 which you did not list)
Additionally at 4:30 he does a nice stiffarm to keep the defender at bay and get away.
But on many of those he DOES go down. You are giving him credit for falling into the end zone in most cases. That’s not the same as being tough to bring down. On these plays he did not break a tackle:
2:12, 3:19, 4:08, 4:40, 5:05, 6:24, 6:50, 8:43, 9:14
In all, I count 43 runs, 29 TDs, only 6 broken tackles, 5 stiff arms (in each case he and the defender are racing toward the sideline and he keeps the defender at bay), 1 juke, and 3 effective cutbacks. To me, watching that video, he does not look at all hard to bring down, and he rarely made people miss.
As for his passing, I will just say that I have no interest in defending McCown, and we’ll leave it at that.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:49 am
What I don’t understand about the over analysis of DMac is the fact people are using the fact he doesn’t spin are do crazy moves like Reggie Bush therefore he doesn’t have vision?
With the speed he has he doesn’t need to really juke a defender, he can blow by them or stiff-arm them (I didn’t count how many times he did this but it was several in the youtube recent video).
You might say this is the NFL and it’s faster, but have you ever heard an SEC player say after they’ve played a few games that there isn’t much difference in speed comparing the NFL to the SEC? I know I have.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Blackholepriest and Oakglenn
I´ve been reading you latest posts, gotta say you sound overly optimistic about Bush, I´d love it if you guys are right and I guess we´ll find out soon enough.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Dakota -
Who is that kid with the greasy hair that hits those 3’s? Sasha somebody or other. That dude could be a wildcard for the Lakers in the playoffs. People better figure out not to leave that kid alone. I was impressed by him…
Warriors Rule All!
March 26th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Come on, all of those plays people had a change to tackle him and he either made them miss, broke a tackle, stiff armed for more yardage, or scored a up the gut. He clearly is more than just a athletic outside/sweep running HB; that’s all I am saying. I am not claiming that he is Walter Payton or Earl Campbell, just that he is not as easy to tackle as some people here would like you to think.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:54 am
What I find interesting is that many people have said in the past something like: ”we need to stop drafting fast guys, draft players who have produced”.
Well, here we have a nice combination of both, a freakish athlete who produced amazing numbers in the toughest conference, yet it doesn´t seem to be enough.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:56 am
ok ok ok you convinced me about McFadden.. Im in…
if C.Long is gone @ #4…. Come on NATION its BABY FREAKIN HOWIE!!!!!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Josh Johnson will definately be a stud in this league. Hope he goes to Chicago and does big thangs.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Dogg,
Sasha, Fisher and Radmonovic are the guys that break your back. You stop Kobe a couple of times, you force Lamar into some bad shots, Gasol misses a few shots, but then boom, one of those guys hits a big three in your face. It must be disheartening for opposing teams when that happens.
The Bulls had guys like that in the 90s, BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Paxson, Hodges etc. You stop MJ, Scottie, Horace a few times but then one of those other guys hits some shots and it takes the wind out of the defender’s sails.
I think Sasha is a Free Agent and I have a feeling we are going to lose him. He really has had a breakout season. He is a pretty scrappy defender too. I am sure someone will offer him more $$ than the Lakers are willing to give.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Dakota, no way, he charges at the pile, makes first contact with someone within falling distance of the end zone, and you’re impressed that he was able to get in? In some of those cases he doesn’t even really get hit until the moment the ball crosses the plane.
I really don’t agree that he can be classified as more than simply a speed runner when you compare him to what the great NFL RBs do on a consistent basis.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Dakota,
The Lakers have been #1 with me since I first went to a game in 1962 at the L.A. Sports Arena and saw West, Baylor and Co. take a whooping from the Phil Warriors of Wilt, Luke Jackson, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham and Wally Jones.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Fak the Lakers
March 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I never said DMac wasn’t very good. I just made the observation that in that highlight reel I didn’t see him break many tackles.
Maybe he doesn’t need to break tackles because he is so fast and athletic, I just was waiting to see how he responded to contact and I didn’t see but maybe 2 broken tackles. I did see some solid straight arms and incredible illusiveness, but barely any broken tackles.
I didn’t watch any of his games in college and I wanted to see how he responded to contact. Unfortunately I didn’t see what I was looking for in that highlight reel. Maybe I need to watch an entire game of his to get a real idea of his overall game. Obviously highlight reels are just that.
I know you love him Dakota, I don’t want to say anything bad about your man…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Whatever Trevjo, the 40+ TDs and 4000+K yards he put up in the SEC are all a mirage. He sucks. Never makes people miss, never gets tough yardage, whatever. Just remember, you will not have the right to come in here next October and celebrate McFadden’s 200 yard game against the Broncos/Chiefs/Chargers or whomever, lol. I will remind you that you thought he was nothing more than a sprinter.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
TrevJo, Dakota and all..
You guys don´t think that it could be possible that he was trying to remain in one piece?.
I´m not sure you want to risk blowing a knee trying to gain an extra couple of yards and making yourself a nice target for second and third tacklers that you don’t see coming while trying to break free from the primary tackler.
The guy was a lock to be a top 5 pick and he knew it, I think it´s likely he did just enough to remain there. Maybe he said allright give me the ball and I´ll ran as fast as I can and try to avoid breaking something. I know I would.
Go back to the 07 Draft, AP´s injury concerns costed him about 10 million dollars in guaranteed money, it costed Bush a lot more than that and if you don´t think McFadden and his people were well aware of that, you are crazy.
Maybe we´ll see more of what you want once he´s a pro and is playing for contracts, maybe not.
Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but it does make at least a little bit of sense, right?.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Wow, ExLa, you are old (school), lol. I am more of a product of the Worthy, Magic, Jabbar, Scott, Thompson, Rambis Lakers.
Did you get frustrated watching the Lakers loses year in and year out against the Celtics? Man, I would have gone insane watching that period of Lakers’ history. It bothers me even now just looking back without having experienced it. I really want the Lakers to catch the Celtics in championships…I think we are 2 behind, so when we beat them in this year’s finals, just one more to tie!
March 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
IF we draft McFadden, and IF he gets a 200 yard game, it will only matter IF the RAIDERS WIN!
I care about the Raiders. If McFadden can help them win, I am all for it.
Winning is all that matters.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I have no problem if the Raiders draft D-MAC. Im hoping its Ellis or Chris Long; but, lets say they make Dakota’s dream come true & take D-MAC. Now, what do you do about the 3 other RB you have on your roster?
March 26th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Bob Marley- I totally agree with post #1061.
Although I’m very excited for Michael Bush, considering it will have been two full years since he last carried the ball is a VERY big deal.
He can’t be compared to McGahee because a totally different injury in addition McGahee was out for only one season.
I’m sure he COULD be good, but there’s no guarantee. But saying he’s been running all season doesn’t mean squat. He wasn’t getting hit and he not’s in football shape.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Bob,
I think he just out ran everyone. What I noticed in that video is that he never shied away from contact. He never ran for the sideline. He always used the stiff-arm to gain a couple of more yards.
One year in an NFL strength and conditioning program and he will add 10 lbs of muscle and keep his speed. He will be a monster. I can’t wait to watch him run circles around the AFC West.
Replace Fargas with McFadden and all those 5-6 yard Fargas runs turn in to 8-10 yard McFadden runs, and all those 20 yard Fargas runs turn into Raider TDs.
If Chris Long is gone, we have to take this kid.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I was a little kid. My best times were during Showtime. My dad had Byron Scott, Billy Thompson, a coach as clients in his clothing store in Ladera Heights. He also supplied Tuxedos for Magic’s United Negro College Fund August MidSummersNight Charity AllStar Game Banquet. Never got to meet Magic though.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Dakota do you have your McFadden tattoo yet?
March 26th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
McFadden and Bush?
Trade Fargas for picks?
March 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Memo,
If we draft McFadden, we certainly keep Fargas, cut Jordan, keep Rhodes through the preseason to see if Bush has recovered enough to be an NFL back, if he is, then you trade or release Rhodes. If not you keep Rhodes and cut Bush. No big problems that I can see.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
K-Rock, exactly.
“Bob Marley Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
TrevJo, Dakota and all..
You guys don´t think that it could be possible that he was trying to remain in one piece?.”
If so, I want no part of that. Rather have Fargas willing to kill himself for a few yards, and a great player at another position where we really need help.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Sorry Einstein, my body is a temple. But I will certainly order my McFadden jersey as soon as allowed.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Isn’t it interesting how it’s once again cool to be a Raider or a Cowboy…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Your body is a temple? WTF Britney Spears…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Bob Marley -
Doesn’t sound like you are on the fence to me. Maybe you have changed your mind about McFadden recently?
It does make sense that he may have been playing to avoid injury in college but who’s to say that will change once he is in the NFL? Did he play like that his entire college career or was it just 2007?
March 26th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
ExLa,
Nice. I wish I lived near enough to LA to see some games. The only Laker I have ever seen in person was Shaq, but it was his rookie year and he was with the Magic, obviously. The Magic and the Wolves played an exhibition game in Rapid City, SD. I was in a room with Shaq and about 200 other people, but let’s just say he stood out a little bit, lol.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Did Shaq think your body was a temple?
March 26th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Shite, I am never going to live that one down am I? lol.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Wow…
Outside the Lines is doing a story on the lesbian factor in recruiting for NCAAW Basketball. Now that is what all sports fan want to know about…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
why is everybody accusing McFadden of trying to protect his body by avoiding contact? He never shied away from contact when it was inevitable, it is just that most of the time he weaves away from would be tacklers and takes an angle that prevents contact, which is preferable if you want to gain yards. I saw him deliver several nasty stiff-arms, and slam right into defenders when he needed to.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
McFadden better avoid contact if he wants to last. NFL backs that punish go away really fast.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
All Lesbians bodys are temples, just ask Dakota. Maybe they will do an Outside the Lines on Dakotas Temple.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Balla
Its cuz McFaddens body is a temple.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
No one’s saying McFadden is shying away from contact. Bob Marley wondered if maybe it was a possibility that he was trying to protect himself for the pros, but didn’t say he actually believed that to be the case. Most of the time he does try to run around defenders at a wide angle. I think that tactic will be of limited use to him in the NFL. His stiff-arm looked good but it was always used on the outside running toward the sideline. I don’t personally think he was trying to avoid contact, I just think he is not effective at gaining yards after contact.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Why brawl when you can avoid contact. Worked for the Greatest of All Time Muhammed Ali.
K-Rock, I agree, Earl Campbell was great but the injuries catch up when you go through someone and not around.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
At least he didn’t say his body is a wonderland…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
ExLA,
Luke Jackson, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham and Wally Jones never played for the Warriors on either coast and certainly not in 1962. Sixers, yes.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
DSM, a lot of people say that about Bush being out two years. lst off, he’s also young. So, it’s not gonna make that much difference. It’s not like Barry Bonds being out from age 43 to age 45. 2ndly with the leg break it’s not as devastating an injury as McGahee’s knee. + Bush was basically ready to go last year, so he is in decent shape, as opposed to being in a wheelchair for two years. You’re right about not taking any hits, tho. That always takes getting used to.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Dakota, you just punched my ticket on the D-Mac band wagon
March 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Holy smokes, we’re now at post #1101…
March 26th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Well its MArch..not much going on but us arm chair analysts
March 26th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Welcome aboard Memo.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
M,
Before moving to S.F., they were in Philadelphia. The 76’s were a replacement team.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nba/pwar/phlwarriors.html
March 26th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
M, you just shot ExLa’s childhood memories to shite, lol. Not very nice of you.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Dogg
No, I´m still on the fence after Long and Gholston, but McFadden has grown on me and rigt now I´d probably take him over Ellis, Dorsey or Jake Long.
The reason I make his case often now is because I think some guys diss him too quickly, I used to do it too, but I don´t anymore.
Most of the time, when I talk about McFadden I mean his pro potential, not just for the Raiders but for any other team he ends up with.
Who knows? maybe my first position on the guy was right and now I´m wrong, or maybe it´s the other way around.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
You’re right though, he was traded back to the 76’s after the Warriors realized that Nate Thurmond could replace Wilt. It was the 76’s I saw. Thanks, that makes me younger than I felt. Age does that. By the way, the Laker center was Darell Imhoff, whose link to fame was that he was the center for the Kncks the night Wilt scored 100 points in Hershey, Pa. A terrible free throw shooter like Shaq, he was 28 for 32 from the line that night.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Oooo, ExLA smacks M back with some NBA history!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Mitch Kupchik desrves to be GM of the year. After all the crap (including myself) he got from fans & Kobe for not being able to pull off any trades, goes out at steals Gasol from Memphis. Then, he holds onto Bynum who turns out to be a beast. I have to admit I was wrong about Mr. Kupchik, if he was here right now I will lick his balls.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Dakota,
The Lakers have dominated the West since they moved from Minneapolis, and like the Raiders have had a few down years while reloading and retooling. Once again they are on top just like the Raiders will be when:
With the 4th pick in the NFL Draft, The Oakland Raiders select Darren McFadden, Arkansas!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Memo,
I would not go that far, the award is about it.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Looks like memo is just looking for a reason…
March 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
F YOU MAN!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Damn, Memo is gonna let Cupcheck T-bag him…lol.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
FU Magoo say’s “F You All, Suck asses!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
ok, that’s enough ball licking talk!
Back to football…
March 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Its just a figure of speech. All I am saying is I respect the guy. Now Kobe, he can literally tea bag me, since my favorite Laker of all time has HIV.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
simply put Run DMC= a bigger stronger faster version of justin fargas. If fargas was able to get 1000 yards sharing time, imagine what DMAC would do.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
hilarious Memo….ur a good sport.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
The only issue I see if they draft D-Mac is all the money invested in the RB position-then again, look at all the money invested in the secondary.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
As far the McFadden protecting his body stuff, the guy would have been a high pick if he came out after his soph season, he had little left to prove, the only thing standing bewteen him and a 20 million contract was an injury and his obligation to fulfill one more season of playing for ”free”.
No one can convince that was not in the back of his mind and I don´t blame him. It is a business and that was the smart business decision.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I bet Huggy had more than 13 reps on the 225 lb bench press…
March 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Yeah, I don’t get easily offended…I know its all love….out of mockery
March 26th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
FU Magoo says, Davis will trade down. And Pick another Ass Clown… F-U Man!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
This draft stuff drives me nuts every year. Last year i was pulling hard for AP which is head and shoulders the best player in that draft, this year im pulling hard for Mcfadden becasue he seems head and shoulders above the rest.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
C-Web retired today.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
one more month Fabe and you’ll get ur wish…
March 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Justin Fargas at the combine:
27 bench reps
4.35 40 dash
11′05″ broad jump
1.47 10 yards
2.54 20 yards
March 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
The offseason moves do point to drafting D-Mac. The majority of the moves were on the defensive side. Also, they did sign Johnathan Joseph DT, & still have Warren on the roster. If they would of re-signed Clemons, then it will be almost guaranteed the Raiders will take D-Mac
March 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
to steal a term from FU Magoo, C-Webb is an ass clown! Worst signing ever…
March 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Gholston looks impressive but he in between a julian petereson and a julius peppers i think he would fit a 3-4 better then a 4-3.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
can Gholston play the MLB position or Sam Williams’ spot?
March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
doubt it from what i’ve seen hes a pass rushing specialist coming off the corner.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Memo,
Last BB. Worthy was lucky not to have been HIV pos because he roomed with Majic on the road and took the fall for the two hookers he was busted with. one for him and one for Magic. Cost him his marriage but he didn’t want to take Magic down with him.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Fabian, I agree that Gholston is ideally suited to be a 3-4 OLB.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
FU Magoo say’s, “Derrick Gibson does a rusty trombone on Chris Webber…” F-U Ass Licker!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Anyone catch NFL Live today? Anything interesting?
March 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
i would love to see howies kid drop, and are defense would be rock solid for years, yet if hes not there i dont think gholston fits the position needed, although with a player with his ability it give you plenty of options of where to put him, and the offense always has to be away which side he lines up on. Yet with him and burgess we would be some what light on the line giving that kellly did most his damage at de last year.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
do you guys see us using shot gun next year?
March 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Whoa, I leave for 30 minutes and people are talking about licking balls! Settle down Nation.
Mitch has redeemed himself, that is for sure. I still think we should have traded for Sheed in 03-04, but we didn’t and the Pistons beat us in the finals…oh well.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Espn mock draft has McFadden going to Atlanta and Chris Long slides to Raiders @ #4
March 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
In all fairness though, when Worthy got busted with all those hookers; he became one of my all time favorite athletes
March 26th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
oops,
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=snmock08
March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
ExLa,
No way the Falcons select McFadden after signing Turner and going through the MV saga. I could see, however, the Jets trading up to #3 to pick McFadden before we get the chance.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
They did’t call him Big Game James for nothing.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
FU Magoo say’s, “We will use shotgun. We will shove it up Gallery’s ass and pull the trigger…. FU Gallery Lovers!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
new post up
March 26th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
how bout them A’s, rich harden looking good, if his arm holds up will suprise people this year.
March 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
haha, made you look!
March 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
yeah you did facker
March 26th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
A$$hole
March 26th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
If the cowboys get mcfadden there offense is gonna be awesome.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Dakota,
I think you know by my posts that I am on the same page as you with McFadden.
They claimed almost 1 mil votes each of last 2 yrs but I don’t know their accuracy.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Total access Marshall say’s Raiders are a playoff team.They did some brackets top 16 teams they put the Donkeys at 15 and no Raiders.Faulk say’s Raiders should be in that they positioned themselves behind the Chokers
March 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I know how to decimate the entire Broncos team. Throw a couple dozen Mcdonald wrappers & some golden retrievers in their training facility!
March 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
is it me or does everyone forget the raiders where a really competitive team last year that was in most games.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
PHOENIX SUNS BABY. Yall better recognize cuz we got the Diesel!! F the Flakers!!
March 26th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Warriors, baby now that fisher pulled dat hollywood actin job, you know monta gonna take it out on the rest of the league.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
He’s not a diesel anymore he’s a tug boat.JAZZ all the way look out i know they got punked by the Lakers but ask L.A. it’s different come playoff time.As long as somebody beats the Spurs for us were in
March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
haha the JAzz aint winnin shit, they got mini stockton and malone over dere with boozer and williams, and cry baby linko they aint doin shiet in the playoffs.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
the Jazz lmfao. Come on mang.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
how the hell are u a raider and jazz fan there like on complete opposite ends of the spectrum
March 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
They punked the Warriors and the Lakers aint puttin fear into no team.Einstein keep laughing dont look now but the Rockets got you’r #
March 26th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Why do you guys watch basketball at all? It’s still the Celtics & Lakers like it was 20yrs ago!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Raiders,Jazz,and Dodger fan
March 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Just say no to hockey
March 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Chad Johnson to the AFL that is some funny sh1t let him go
March 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Just say no to Nascar and Golf.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I still think the Dolphins will take Jake Long at No1. There isn’t anybody good enough in this draft for teams to want to trade up for the No1 pick and the associated salary. Jake Long will make a proBowl RT for the Dolphins and give them a clock-eating OLine – effective offense being the best form of defense.
The Rams would have wanted Jake Long. Glenn Dorsey is actually a better alternative for them than Chris Long or Gholston.
The Falcons will be under great pressure to take Matt Ryan. They need a QB and either take Ryan or wait and see whether Flacco or Henne are around in the 2nd. I think that McFadden would be their second choice. I know they have just signed Turner but they need an offensive star to reignite the franchise.
Now it gets interesting. If Chris Long and Gholston are still on the Board, Al’s phone will be RED HOT. Both the Jets and the Pats are said to be very, very keen on Gholston. Does Al gamble that Kansas won’t take Chris Long and trade the pick to the Jets for their first and second? Tempting, but no. If he’s on the Board, we must take Chris Long.
If however, Long has gone but Gholston is still there, I think Al should trade the pick. We should still have a shot at Sedrick Ellis (with Kelly moving back to DE) and another good 2nd round selection.
I can’t see the logic in Dallas joining the party just for a shot at McFadden. But, if Jones wants to get one up on the Tuna, they might just be shopping.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I stopped watching hockey on February 27, 1996.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Cant stand golf
March 26th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Oh yeah nice article Scottish Raider.I would still take Gholston if long is gone
March 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Pro day for Dorsey today isn’t it? If he shows everyone he is not injured, then maybe the Rams do take him as Scottish said above. They could then move Adam Carriker back to DE where he belongs. They would have Carriker and the guy that kills people while drinking and driving as their DE’s and Dorsey as one of their DTs, I can see that.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Leonard Little
March 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Yeah that guy. He got 90 days in jail, 4 years probation and 1000 hours of community service for manslaughter, lol. In some states, you get 90 days in jail and two years probation just for your third DUI. WTF happened in Little’s case?
March 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I just cant see al passing on this RB, and kiffen is in love with mcfadden. Gholstons a beast and most guys with his ability find success in the NFL, with there freak like talents. Its a win win me personally, im excited about the raiders again, last year was a hard year to swallow with the jamarcus contract dontas fumbles, mcnown interceptions, and rb’s running all over us. The highlights, offensive line/running game, thomas howard and morrison being all over the field, kelly’s constant disturbance of the oline, zach millars tough catchs, and the support all the raiders fans gave jamarcus.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
the queefs would take long for sure because they need someone to replace allen when he leaves, which he will do next year and likely come here
March 26th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
ok the more i think about are team last year the more i think we need d line help, from the all day qbs had to throw and scramble and kill are coverage, to running backs, constantly breaking us down, so drafting d-line seems like the logical thing to do, freein up more room for howard to make plays, howards a beast always around the ball. Yet the sexy appeal that mcfadden brings is undeniable, best player slippin in our laps, i would be first in line to use mcfadden in the new madden wit his 97 speed.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
G-Raider is correct. We’ve made some very good moves. Now we need to KEEP LANE KIFFIN!
March 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
i second that lane had them playing hard in the trenches last year, had them competing. Lane is good give him time to get his system in place with jamarcus, and get this ship outta the cyclone and on course to the sandy super bowl shore.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Knapp will be the coach for us this coming season.Al will not let him go next year.Maybe he and Kiffin will switch coaching positions
March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
His body is a temple.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
I assume one of ya’all did this …
http://cbs8.com/sports/chargers/story.php?id=122042
March 26th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I didn’t do it, but I think it’s funny.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
NFL is trying to make a rule against long hair.
No Fun League strikes again!
March 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
That is some funny sh1t i live in stockton cali.I know i’am going to see those rims on a skittles or snickers car over here
March 26th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
No one in oakland would ever steal J-RUSS car that is crazy his town were he plays he gets jacked
March 26th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Here we go Raiders, here we go; boom boom.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I hope the chargers draft these two players:
http://montaraventures.com/pix/dingleberry.jpg
March 26th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I don’t know if anyone saw this but they are doing a poll on ESPN that has fans ranking the top 10 receivers of all time. To my astonishment Tim Brown is not even on the list. Are you kidding me. ESPN is a joke in their hatred of the Raiders and it has gone way too far. Brown is statistically in the top 10 of all major receiving stats.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
dakota, i don’t, all jokes aside dingle is pretty talented
March 26th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
ooops
March 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Rob Ryan is pushing Al Davis to draft this kid for the d-line:
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2004/FatFootball.jpg
March 26th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I say we grab this prospect in the seventh round:
http://www.mrblackandwhite.com/photos/uncategorized/football_pic.jpg
March 26th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
1194, that i can live with
but seriously dakota, how much time do you spend lookingfor stupid pictures for jokes?
…not a criticism, but a serious question…
March 26th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Dakota,
Go with end zone with # 4 pick in the draft. I just fell off the McFadden wagon (just kidding)
March 26th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Tommy,
With google it really does not take very long to find funny pictures:
Look at this goober:
http://toole.blogspot.com/football.jpg
March 26th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The Raiders do not need a running back. Fargas Can be a pro bowler if he has a line that can block for the run as well for the Qb. We need to make big improvements on Ol as well as stopping the run. Is there any chance that the Dl will be good with the player’s that we have. I now we need a great DE that can stop the outside run and DT that can clog up the middle. D-Mac is good but we don’t need him. The team is young and we the Raiders can get the job done on defense. We just need to score more on Offense. The games are to close to count on a field goal for the win.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
he draft is not about getting the player who is most likely to fill a supposed hole but to get the player who is most likely to make your team better, and that player is darren mcfadden
March 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
I second that Tommy.
March 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
chester taylor was good for the vikes, ron dayne, tatum bell, and mike bell all had success with the donkeys, but compare that success to the success of portis or peterson, fargas is essentially the taylor to mcfadden’s peterson
March 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Looks like the 49ers were the only team to attend NC State’s pro day, I can see why:
http://photos.tarheeltimes.com/Funny_UNC-related_Photos/slides/Gay_NC_State_Football_Players.jpg
March 26th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
fargas is the short term compliment to mcfadden while bush is expected to be the long term complimate
March 26th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Felix Jones only had 13 reps like McFadden.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Dakota those bodys are temples, please don’t desicate those temples.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
mcfadden has put up 20+ reps before so i don’t put much stock in the pro day #, if you look at his stiff arm you can see the upper body strength this guy has
March 26th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Peterson was great, but one year is not enough to prove to me that we should take MacFadden. If Peterson has an awful year next year most people will be saying that his is a one year wonder. We have good running back but the line has been weak. It reminds me of Barry in detroit and their is no running back out there as good as Barry. So why not take DE or OT, something we need.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
How many fumbles did McFad have in college?
March 26th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Still on the McFadden talk huh? So I took the privledge of watching the highlight reel. Although it is a highlight reel my impression = mostly unimpressed. The ONLY thing that impressed me was his speed but speed alone doesn’t make you a great back. He has a decent stiff arm, but it doesn’t look ferocious. He has very minimal moves, almost non-existent make-you-miss ability, just straight line speed.
This guys is running through huge lanes the vast majority of the time w/ NO contact, sometimes just a fingertip, until he gets to the 3rd level.
He plays with a VERY narrow base = bad balance. That is killa for a NFL rb. Do you see how terribly off balance he looks out there when angling the corner or trying to change direction. Any reasonably angled hit would send him down no problem. He’s like the Eiffel Tower out there. I just can’t see this guy carrying a NFL load as #1. Its just not gonna happen. So you wanna draft a #2 at a #4 spot? ….I’ll pass.
**** And let me tell you guys this, I see that Reggie Bush is a WHOLE LOT BETTER!!! than McFadden. And not an once of that sentence was a joke. Reggie has much better balance, a sht load more moves with great speed. And you see where Bush is at don’t ‘ya? Bush was made Bush b/c he ran in so much space at USC and displayed mindboggling moves. McFadden? What’s he doing? = Running in a whole lotta space and he’s not nearly as good as Bush.
Don’t get me wrong McFadden has talent but a can’t miss prospect? I don’t think so.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
i would love to take an OT and a DE would be nice but mcfadden is even better than peterson, and peterson will no have a down year unless he gets injured, which is out of his control, mcfadden is the best player in the draft and will make our team better than any single player in this draft, there are good lineman later in the draft, but no players in mcfadden’s class at any position anywhere in the draft, he only excuse not to take him is if someone trades ahead of us for him
March 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
exla, 23 fumbles in 891 touches
March 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
So both he and Reggie Bush ran in a lot of space and this guy is not even as good as Bush – yet you all still wanna draft him at #4. Reggie Bush may turn out to be the f*n man – who knows – he definitely has the better talent. He needs to learn how to play in the NFL.
But McFadden does not touch Bush’s talent. And he has a lot of fundamental problems with his game = a project. His running style is not suitable. And I’m not talkin about uprightness – I’m talkin about mere balance and leverage …he has very little and displays very little. He has very little by way of make you miss ablity (very little moves)
March 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
just straight line giberish
March 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Thanks T.T.
Warren Moon holds the NFL record with 161. So it would take McFadden approximately 20 years to surpass the record. 8 per year. He can be taught to secure the ball better by the coaching staff. With the 4th pick in the NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select RB Darren McFadden, University of Arkansas
March 26th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
And the skinny legs…my goodness the skinny legs
March 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Scout.com “Best RB to enter the draft in 20 yrs.”
http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=8&c=1&nid=3295116&yr=2008
March 26th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
exla, factor in how many of those fumbles came when mcfadden lined up at QB(percentage significantly higher because QBs are looking to pass and don’ tuck it…which is why QBs always lead the league…and hold the record) and he oesn’t seem to have a fumbling problem at all he rarely ever fumbles when handed the ball and tucking it away, don’t expect him to have any fumble problems at he next level
and terrapin, bush doesn’t need to learn how to play in the NFL, the saints need to learn how to use him
March 26th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Mcfadden is a product of the system.Dont waste a pick on a maybe when maybe is on our roster.Give Bush a chance
March 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
R&DR4LFE
I believe that a tandum of Bush and Mcfadden would great combo. I don’t need to rehash the negs on
March 26th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Bush was better than Mcfadden if he comes back and plays any where near were he was why pay Mcfadden more than him
March 26th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
oops
R&DR4LFE
I believe that a tandum of Bush and Mcfadden would great combo. I don’t need to rehash the negs on Bush being out 2 yrs but it’s a fact. I hope he proves himself this year but I feal that my fellow USC alum Fargas peaked LY. The cap hit in a trade would not hurt and a 3 for him is good value.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
and everyone says IF, IF, IF,. I want the if to prove out and what a monster combo that would be. Remember the saints with both Duece and Bush.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Peaked he hasnt even played enough yet he is just getting started
March 26th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
The big if is Mcfadden 20 million dollar gamble he will not stop the run.Our biggest problem last time i checked
March 26th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
He is a 29 yr old RB with a recovering ACL injury. Running backs get injured and decline after 30 yrs old.
Shane Alexander comes to mind. After that monster season 3 yrs ago, he started to get injured and that was before they sent the OL to Minn. At 31, they are waiting to release him.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
That was Shaun before I get ripped
March 26th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Dakota (Ed.),
oldest known human remains found in Europe (approx. 1.3 mill. yrs old), it was not nicknamed La Milicia Negra. You still have the record for being the most ancient of Raider fans.
ExLA, I am well aware of what transpired in Hershey,PA in March of ‘62 and who was involved. And of the movement of franchise. Anyway, for you to see the Sixers back then is really cool. Chet Walker was the other member of the starting five, with Billy as the sixth man. That was a great team. Goodrich, West, Baylor, Imhoff, Larussa could never quite get over the hump.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder -
I think the Shaun Alexander situation is more due to getting paid as opposed to being injured. There has been a noticeable drop off in production in Alexander’s game and that began right after he signed that lucrative deal after the 2005 Super Bowl run.
Your point is still valid though. The lifespan of a bruising RB in the NFL is getting shorter and shorter.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Oh yeah, draft a lineman!
And how come SeaBass can’t fill in at DT? Lou Groza did.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
M,
We always had the Great Celtic Dynasty to face in the Finals. ANd how could I forget Chet the Jet Walker
March 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
RaiderDogg,
any RB that has approached the 400 carry mark in a season has never been the same again. Yeah, Alexander lost Hutchinson and he did get big $$, but that one season seems to kill an RB. Jamal Anderson done. LJ in KC is in the same boat. Devastating workload, big contract.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I’m on the “If Bush is healthy, then McFadden makes no sense” side of the fence
I’d rather take one of the DTs and move Kelly to DE.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
ExLA,
every single year I hoped that for once the boys in LA could knock off the Celts. Damn. Same ole story each time.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
There was the year that Jack Kent Cooke owned the Lakers and we had gotten Chamberlain. Stuffed the rafters of the Forum with balloons to celebrate the 7th game victory. Motivated the Celtics and we lost again.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
On last year’s depth chart at RB wouldn’t Fargas have been projected at #3 once Dominic had come off suspension? Assuming that is true, our third running back bagged a thousand yards while starting only half of the games. Cable magic and hard work. Bush, Huggy Bear Jr, Rhodes, Adimchinobe, pick up another RB later on if need be…
March 26th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I hate when this site won’t let you post something legit. Its ridiculous.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Jhill,
I understand the if Bush is healthy side but what if in preseason, he is a no go and we’ve lost out on a great RB?
March 26th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Well it’s time to go
Goodnight Raider Nation!
March 26th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Hello NATION, Dont care who we pick as long as we beat the hell out of the dischargers. I hate them with a passion. If who we draft will allow us to smash rivers head into the ground pick them up. If its 8 in the box I dont care just smash rivers.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Why would he be a no go in pre-season?
He had a broken leg, not a knee or ankle. 2 years 2 recover should be plenty. I’m not saying that he is healthy, but the organization should be able to make that determination prior to the draft with no problem.
Let’s not forget who this guy was. He would’ve easily challenged AP for the first back taken and the Heisman last year if not for the broken leg.
I’ll even throw one better for you out there. I’d like to see Rhodes play with Bush instead of Fargas.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Whoever we pick we are set.
DT = set
RB = set.
Its all good.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
All good, I concur
March 26th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
bush was 100% at the end of last season, he wont have any lingering injury issues, if anything he’ll be rusty and will need the preseason o get ready, but don’t worry about his leg, it’s fine
March 26th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Dont be suprised
Playoffs are in our future!!!!
Big Al is Gettin it done!!!
March 26th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
moderators working over time. or else dinner time
March 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
NFLN showed some footage of Glenn Dorsey at LSU´s pro day, he looked very strong and said all the right stuff about his leg, Mayock moved him back ahead of Ellis as the top DT.
Looks like he´s making a comeback and that´s a good thing for us, we get more options and it increases trade possiblities.
McFadden was on the phone in the same show and said he´s gonna workout for the Raiders and 3 or 4 other teams.
”I know at least one member of the Raiders’ personnel department that is pleading with the team to take the running back.”
Says espn´s Matt Mosley.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
M Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
“RaiderDogg,
any RB that has approached the 400 carry mark in a season has never been the same again. Yeah, Alexander lost Hutchinson and he did get big $$, but that one season seems to kill an RB. Jamal Anderson done. LJ in KC is in the same boat. Devastating workload, big contract.”
M -
That is an excellent point. I didn’t realize that Alexander carried over 400 times in 2005.
With that being said I can see Alexander having a few more successful seasons with the right team before he hangs it up. I have this feeling that he is going to end up on the Jets for some reason. Just a hunch.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Vernon Gholston has to be our pick. We ned DE’s and DT’s.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
well, one of my favorite draft prospects, heath benedict, died…WTF
March 26th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
we really could have used him….
March 26th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
but seriously, my condolences to his family and friends…..but really it would have been nice to have him at LT, lineman are usually better blockers when they’re alive, here’s a question for you, if we had used our 4th on him, and he had died after that, would he be considered a bust? interesting question…..
March 26th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
“lineman are usually better blockers when they’re alive”
quote of the night!
The Raiders could have used that knowledge in 2006.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Heath Benedict died???!!!! I had him pegged as mid-round sleeper. SAD!
March 26th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I think the Raiders are selling McFadden wolf tickets, trying to get someone to trade up for him. Somebody will eventually bite.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Wolf Tickets
classic track from the Bay Area, by none other than The Click…
March 26th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
E-40 is garbage
March 26th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
We’ve now reached the point we did last year when it became clear who we would draft but many could not accept it. Last year it was JaMarcus Russell. This year it is Darren McFadden.
Every possible argument against them comes out, no matter how twisted. The most unrealistic trade scenarios proposed. Every fringe website disparaging the player gets a link. People link to articles on various fan websites as to why this person or that person should be selected instead. The arguments get personal – he’s not smart, isn’t motivated to be a great player, bad character, etc.
With a month till the draft, it’s going to get very tedious. Like it or not, we are drafting McFadden. Get used to it. Learn to like it.
But the tedium will be worse this year. Last year we picked #1, so you could legitimately argue whether we take J.Russ or C.Johnson or whomever. In contrast, we pick #4 this year yet that won’t stop endless arguments about who we really really really really really need C.Long and will be doomed if we don’t take him, even though he clearly won’t be on the board.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Last year was more obvious because we had the #1 pick. You can’t possibly think that McFadden is the clear pick at #4.
March 26th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Otis is there just as an arm in camp, not anyone serious for whoever above that was thinking it was a bad move.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I admit,I was impressed with Mcfaddens speed, however, on that you tube video, look at the size of the holes he ran through. They had to be at least 10 feet wide if not wider. When he ran around the outside he was explosive and made the right angles but you cant run outside all day. Sooner or later you have to run inside. If he comes to the Raiders, he’s not going to get 10ft. holes to run through.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
ESPN.com poll
Greatest Reciever of all time
NO TIM BROWN!!!
Not even top 10?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
No Belitnikof either….hahahahhahaha
They have MOSS and TO!!!!
Are they high?!?!?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Bo’s Hip…
ESPN is Evil and they deserve to die…it’s that simple.
It’s always been us against the World…and we got the world outnumbered
March 26th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Who ever wrote that scouting report saying Mcfadden is the best back the last 20 is insane. He’s not even the best back in this draft. LT and AP are head and shulders better than that kid. I noticed he was sure not to put him in the class of Bo, Marcus, Barry, Walter and even Emmitt.
Write it down there are backs in this draft that will have better careers than that skinny kid.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Was Fargas hurt for the last 3 games or the last 2? I wonder how many more yards he would have gotten if he had gotten the majority of the snaps in the other 4 or 5 games? Saying he amassed 1300 or 1400 yards instead of a lil’ over 1000, would you all still be screaming for Mcfadden?
March 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
McFadden says on Path to the Draft that he has had extensive talks with the GM of the Jets. He said he had limited contact with the Raiders at the combine.
Says he is scheduled to have meetings with New England, the Jets again, and the Raiders.
IMO, the Jets and Pats will look to deal with the Falcons in a trade. McFadden might be gone before the Raiders ever pick.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Also IMO Bush will definitely outperform him next year. Fargas gets no love in here but as far as toughness McFadden couldn’t carry his jock, and that is a high criteria to a rb’s success
March 26th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
yeah they would, because they have this idea that he can outrun the NFL.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
AD is good at FA but terrible at the draft so he probably will draft DMc. Our “O” line is so bad at pass protection if I was JR I would offer to help AD pay DMc’s signing bonus just so he could have another RB to take the heat off him.
March 26th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
MRD AD is terrible at the draft??? how did we get the talent we have??? most of the team was drafted. In fact most of the great teams in the past were largely biult through the draft.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
BHP, while someone who says that Al Davis is terrible at anything is just asking for it in this comments section, it can easily be said that Al Davis has not drafted well. At some point, wins and losses have to be factored into the debate.
You’re saying Al has drafted well due to the talent we have now…dude, I’d hate to beat a dead horse, but with the talent we’ve had in recent years we haven’t exactly lit the league on fire. Having one good game against the Colts (that the Colts still managed to win, btw, by thrashing our defense on their final drive…when it counted most) is no measure for success. Let’s start with the 8 win mark…
And, another dead horse but it needs to be said; You can not bring up the great Raider teams of old in a draft discussion without putting Ron Wolf right alongside Al Davis. I’m sorry, but you can’t. Wolf was able to win one in the ’90s, when Al struggled to get the Raiders to the 8 win mark. There’s no physical evidence of it, but there’s more than enough reason to believe that Ron Wolf did most of our drafting in the good ol days. Not that Davis doesn’t deserve credit. He hired Wolf. But when we’re talking about drafting, period, the brains behind it, I’m giving Wolf more credit than Davis; Again, based on what we do know.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Hey, if our O-line was so bad, how come our Qb’s were NEVER getting sacked toward the end?
Didn’t we go like 3 games in a row without one?
I could be wrong, but I think the line improved massively. We ran the ball well and very few sacks at the end.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I hate the media…
Al gets Hall and is killed for making a bad descision and the amount of money he spent.
Jerry Jones takes Pacman, who is responsible for injuring and almost killing people, and they say it is a great move for the Cowboys. Pacman is scum.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I would much rather see what Fargas and Bush can do for a year. And from what i’ve heard, Bush was ready last year. We just didnt have room for him with Jordan, Fargas, and DR. Busch must have been pretty impressive, enough to keep him sitting around for a year.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Right on K-Rock!!
Al D will never get any respect from those idiots……not until he wins another super bowl………Atleast you cant blame him of not trying??
You must be a fool to think AD is not trying to pick this team up….even the bigget Al Davis haters out there must admit this much!! But I suspect there are a lot of fools out there with their hatred for Ad and the Raiders overcomes the truth!
March 26th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I don’t like the D. Hall signing myself. He was burnt on a lot of plays. Although he’s a good person off the field, his attitude can be his Achilles Heel on the field. He picked a fight with his whole coaching staff last year, on live t.v. These are two reasons I’m not buying that Lane Kiffin, who expressed that he believes in team chemistry, attitude, and body language, wanted Hall. There is just no way anyone is going to convince me of it, and I don’t care what they say in Alameda. With the Raiders, you always have to read between the lines.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
McFadden says the bench press was down because he was nursing some shoulder injuries.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Bench press? Do we have a weight lifting competition on our schedule, this season? I don’t think we do. I understand lifting weights is essential to compete in this league, at least in the vast majority of cases, but I just can not see what someone’s bench press max has to do with what kind of football player they are.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
You would
March 26th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
The point was the shoulder injuries.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
I’m just not interested in the Al Davis arguements any fool that can’t see what this man over the years I’m not going to waste my time trying to convince.
Stupid is as stupid does………Forrest Gump can figure this one out
March 26th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
If Davis stands pat and does nothing with a 4-12 team, “fans” and the national media would have a field day saying he’s lost his touch. If he brings players in “fans” and the media say he spent too much or got the wrong players. It’s ridiculous.
I agree with KRock. If Jerry jones brings in Pacman Jones, Chad Johnson, D. Hall, or other discontented players, they’d call him the greatest GM of all time. Especially with Terrance Newman and Roy Williams having problems.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
BHP, you honestly don’t believe that Wolf should get just as much credit for our drafting in the ’70s and Davis gets, considering their respective time lines of success in this league? Considering Wolf’s success in Green Bay? I’m not bashing Al, but of course it’s likely that anyone who feels they have a duty to defend him at all costs may take it that way. I’m just trying to make the point on our drafting. Al does not draft well. Al, at times in his career, has hired people who have drafted well for us, though. Again, that’s not a hypocritical point. I’m basing this on Al’s slumping results after around the late ’80s and some of his former employees succeeding thereafter.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Listen pal, I’m not interested. You figure it out.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
After being offered the door by Davis……I cant believe Kiffins time in Oakland can last much longer. This is well documented. The whole Raider front office has become a shirade!! If Al plans on keeping Kiffin..than keep him and support him 100%…otherwise DUMP him already and put in his place the next puppet, Lofton or Ryan.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Glory what makes you think he doesn’t support him?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:00 am
C’mon man….
He offered him the door…what do you think???
March 27th, 2008 at 12:02 am
If someone told me to resign from my head coaching position….How could I ever trust him again???
You can see it in Kiffins body language!!
He’s a broken coach!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 am
My personal view is that he wants Al to fire him and cash in on the rest of his $$$$!!
I dont even hear him react to any of the transaction thus far!! Not really!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 am
How do YOU know he offered him the door??? He’s still here isn’t he??? Or did he get fired today??
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Delta, come on. It’s you who’s being ridiculous right now.
First off, these “fans” you speak of, and I’m sure you’re referring to fans who believe that Davis should play a secondary role in football operations anymore, were convinced long ago that Al had lost his touch. We don’t need a 6th straight losing season to figure it out.
Also, “fans” are saying he spent too much because he did! That is a fact. He’s signing these guys for far more then their market value. That’s not success in the free agent department. It’s the other way around. It’s when you can sign players for lower than their value, because they believe they have a chance to get a ring with your team. As far as spending the big mucho bucks, it’s fine if it’s someone like a Ray Lewis.
Basically, using our acquisitions as an indication of success, considering what we spent, is like a guy buying a prostitute and then bragging to his friends the next day about how he scored.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:05 am
So you hang around lane Kiffin and see his body language??? What job do you have??
March 27th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Let’s hope they get their SHIT squared away, before it’s too late!!
Both Al and Kiffin are to blame!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:05 am
First of all he of all people knows a coach can’t do a job successfully without his support, after all he was once a coach. I know hat you read in the media but use your common sense, Davis is one of the most demanding owners in the business do you really believe he would keep sme coach he doesn’t support and let coach Russell???? would you do that? i don’t think so why do you think he would. And please don’t resort to what you hear just think logically.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am
# Blackholepriest Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Listen pal, I’m not interested. You figure it out.
…………
What is that supposed to mean? Why can’t you just present your case? So far, all we have from you is Al’s over all record, in which I agree, he did win for a long time. Noted. Yet, considering what we know about Wolf and Davis, I still believe Wolf should get more credit for our drafting in the ’70s. If you disagree with this point, why not just say so and give your points to the contrary?
“You figure it out” is a cop out.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Delta,
Dont be ignorant man.
Everyone, accept for you, know that Davis offered Kiffin to resign.
Dont play stupid!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I don’t have to hope, it’s not even an issue in the org. it’s just an issue in here which has no bearing on what happens on that team………so we can talk about this crap until the sun shines no more it has nothing to do with them
March 27th, 2008 at 12:10 am
WDYT, that’s ridiculous. 6 years ago he was playing for a world championship. And sorry to tell you, but Ron Wolf was not part of that front office.
+ the issue with free agent signings, look at players that want to renogotiate their contracts. it happens constantly, because the value for those players services has gone up. If these players come in and perform to the level they are capable, he didn’t overpay. If they don’t because of injury or some other reason, he’ll void the big money portion of the contract.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Whens the last time you seen Kiffin Glory? Does he live next door to you or something? How would you know what his body language looks like? And as far as AD trying to have him resign is just a rumor as far as i’m concerned. Until I see some kind of proof besides the usual “insider sources”, or “unnamed sources”, or the “someone in the front office”. It is what it is, SPECULATION. Almost like when you ask someone to pick a number between 1 and 100, it’s just a guess.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Huff24 Says:Last year was more obvious because we had the #1 pick. You can’t possibly think that McFadden is the clear pick at #4.
_________________
maybe not “the” clear pick, but certainly Al Davis’ clear pick, which is all that matters. Definitely as clear as J.Russ last year.
The only thing that will change it is if somebody trades up ahead of us and takes him.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:11 am
And I couldn’t care less, discuss it with someone who cares
March 27th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Glory, prove it. That resignation letter was like the Holy Grail or your intelligence. Some think it exists but no one has been able to prove it.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:14 am
# Blackholepriest Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Glory what makes you think he doesn’t support him?
………
Kiffin has made a whopping two statements, both short ones, since that resignation rumor. He never denied the rumor, he only said that he wasn’t going to talk about what “transpired”. That indicates to me that something certainly did…transpire.
James Lofton is hired. He has no connections to Kiffin. And while neither do Knapp and Cable, Lofton on the other hand is a known “davis guy”. I can not see what use Kiffin would have for him.
Kiffin has told the press that he believes in team chemistry, yet we go out and get hot heads like Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall. And, I’ll believe the Raiders’ statement that Kiffin hired Lofton when I believe pigs will fly.
I believe the resignation rumors are true, and I believe Kiffin is entering a lame duck year. How about giving me your case for the contrary, outside of lip service from team headquarters?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:15 am
BHP,
You cant tell me that everything is o.k. in Raider land,because we all know that there is some in fighting going on. STOP pretending already. Or are you gong to tell me that Al Davis never offered Kiffin the door or that Ryan had one foot out the door before AD, over ruled Kiffin and unfired Ryan…..O’h and by the way……The hireing of Lofton as assist. HC….i’m sure this was Kiffins idea right??
WRONG!!! MAN!! Lets face it!! There are problems!!!
Let’s hope they iron them out!!!
Thats all!!
G’nite all!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:15 am
I’m with Black Hole Priest on this. You fools just want to drum up stupid stuff that has never ever had any legitamacy. We played in the super bowl 6 years ago. Only 8 other teams have played in the Super Bowl since. So, on that basis, we’re in the top 25% of the league over the last 6 years. That’s a better way of looking at it!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Delta,
I hope the Raiders WIN the Super Bowl o.k.!!
But there is some fences to mend, before they can do this!!
GO RAIDERS!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Delta Raider, I’m trying to be as fair as I can while you bend over backwards to defend Al. You’re chopping my points in half and debating the halves that you can beat.
Ron Wolf, I believe, was retired when we went to the Super Bowl.
And, our Gruden/Callahan team was more built via free agency than the draft, anyway.
Gannon.
Garner.
Rice.
R. Woodson
Rommo
the list goes on.
My point on wolf wasn’t to say who’s an overall better GM, but to make the point that Wolf likely had more to do with our drafting in the ’70s than Davis did. Considering that he won the Super Bowl in the ’90s, when Davis could barely scratch the 8 win mark, do you honestly disagree with this? Or are you just vigilantly defending Al?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Delta Raider, chill out, alright? Not being able to handle constructive criticism is a blatant sign of immaturity. You’re now using words like “stupid” to describe what I’m saying, when I’m carefully basing my views on facts, that we know of. Debate like an adult or call it a night.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
WDYT, not really a good write up there. You shoot your own argument by saying Cable and Knapp were not aligned with kiff. so Big Al brings in Lofton. Kiff couldn’t use the help??? This means Al is firing Kiffin???? That’s ridiculous. You would rather have Charlie Coe teach the recievers than James Lofton??? You don’t make sense.
Then, The Raiders needed a number one reciever, Al Davis got one. Now, you don’t want that number one receiver because he’s too much money, or this shows Davis is trying to fire Kiffin??? This is ridiculous. He got a potentially excellent player to help Kiffin with his offense, why??? so he could fire him next week.
The bottom line you say, you’re not going to believe it anyway, so what’s the point of continuing??? You’ve proven your point, you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re not going to change your opinion. Like I said, black hole priest is right.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Lofton as the ass. head coach? Thats news to me.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:29 am
On that subject, I prefer not to pretend something did not happen. It’s clear to see something did. This is my gut feeling of what happened because it makes sense. Al decided not to press the issue with Kiffin because of Kiffin’s overwhelming support from the fans. We know Al doesn’t care what we think, however the question of season tickets holders withdrawing their deposits and reporters and fans questioning the will of Al’s desire to put a winning product on the field must have stung him into action. I can tell just by the reactions of the Davis supporters. They went from Kiffin is disloyal crap to Al has some real affection for him and wants him to succeed. Just my opinion, make of it what you will. It really doesn’t matter anymore what happened I guess, but you can bet if they don’t resolve it, it will fester.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:31 am
“but to make the point that Wolf likely had more to do with our drafting in the ’70s than Davis did.” The only problem I see with this statement is the usage of the word “likely”. Which basically means that you’re guessing.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Whatever you want t believe if that’s what YOU want to believe is fine with me Glory because I DON”T KNOW so if you don’t mind I comment on things I know for sure I ‘ve talked to front office people and I’m satisfied with what they told me. I can’t help if you’re not in agreement, so be it believe as you may.
Those people made convincing arguements that this stuff is blown way out of proportion so I really don’t care I just want to win……….period
March 27th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Grim I don’t know where these guys get all this stuff. We signed Javon so Kiffin can get fired. James Lofton is the Assistant Head Coach (news to me as well) so Kiffin can get fired. It is not going to benefit Davis if Kiffin gets fired, but Kiffin is going to get fired by Davis. These guys are screwy and don’t make sense.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Delta Raider,
Calm down.
Relax.
Breathe.
One thing at a time.
First…
Knapp and Cable hadn’t worked with Kiffin before, to my knowledge. Many people were arguing that Lofton having no connections to Kiffin was no big deal because Knapp and Cable didn’t, either. But Knapp and Cable aren’t “davis guys”. Lofton is. There’s no contradiction there, so I don’t know what you mean by saying I’m shooting my own argument.
Is Charlie Coe the ONLY other option? Why not let Kiffin bring in his own guy? And, again, I’ll believe Kiffin brought in Lofton when I believe there’s a Starbucks on Mars.
My arguments make perfect sense, but I see that you’re going to just keep saying that they don’t make sense, ad nauseam, because it just sounds good.
For the third time, I do not buy that the same coach who’s expressed to the media last year that he believes in team chemistry and attitude lobbied for a hot head like Walker, who the Broncos wouldn’t pay a dime for he was so good…
Delta, try making your arguments based on pragmatism as opposed to pure emotion. You’re just defending Al, and twisting very statement and fact until you make Al look good. You should really get some sleep and try again tomorrow. The whole defending Al thing and waiting for others to get your back works a lot better in the daytime, when the blog is crawling loyal Davis defenders. It looks like we’ve got an even match up between Davis critics and Davis defenders tonight, and you’re just coming undone.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:36 am
If something did happen, so what??? If Kiffin was going to be fired, he would have been fired already. Look at the Phony Whiners. Nolan got stipped of tons of authority. No one there is jumping off a bridge.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Well said Preist, I dont really care if they even like each other, (AD and Kiff)….JUST WIN BABY!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Delta this guy argues with everyone on this site about this crap it’s his lifes work. He doesn’t care if he’s right or wrong he just wants to argue.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am
WDYT, you’re the one blowing a gasket. No one else is. You should take some blood pressure medicine.
You’re argument doesn’t make any sense. Kiffin brought in Coe, the WR’s didn’t play well, but you don’t want to bring in a Hall of Famer, you want your 32 year old coach to take a flyer on some other college guy???? That’s just plain stupid. This is not going anywhere.
WDYT, you’re right. There’s all kinds of problems. Kiff is going to be fired tomorrow. Keep believing that if you want. sheesh.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am
It’s funny black hole priest, he’s not very good at arguing. He just says kinda crazy silly stuff, that has no basis in fact. He would rather believe Peter King than 6.8 Billion people who will tell him Kiffin is still the coach. I don’t get the guy other than the fact that nothing is going to change his opinion. And there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That too.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:45 am
This guy WDYT is the only one coming undone. He is not very smart is he?? Oh well. good nite.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:47 am
Kiffen interviewed Lofton for the job and Al Davis hired him. You make it sound as if Kiffen had nothing to do with it at all.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:50 am
# Blackholepriest Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Delta this guy argues with everyone on this site about this crap it’s his lifes work. He doesn’t care if he’s right or wrong he just wants to argue.
………
Man, that is just weak. I’ll take this as a white towel, that you’ve just given up. Unless you want to point out which points I made tonight were only for the sake of arguing. Every point I made was in response to points already being made.
The problem with you and Delta Raider is that you guys are just way too defensive. Because of this, you make all your arguments based on emotion. It’s almost as if you’re begging us to believe you.
And, don’t think I don’t know where the insults are coming from. You guys are just throwing mud and waiting for the calvary to arrive. I can tell you from experience, they probably won’t be here for another 6 hours. So you might want to actually try and debate like an adult for the time being, because you’re not moving anyone with your defensive attitude.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:54 am
# GRIM Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:47 am
Kiffen interviewed Lofton for the job
…….
How can you be certain of that? And if he did, how can you be certain Kiffin’s input had anything to do with Davis’s final decision?
For the umpteenth time, I don’t buy for one second that Kiffin wanted Lofton here.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:56 am
SOS same ‘ol stuff, the raiders sky is falling. All the while big things are getting done and were getting ready for a great draft.
But the coach and the owners are at odds. They’ll say anything as long as someone will buy into it. Just watch what they do and stop listening to the media. Whe nKiffinis fired then we have something to talk about until then enjoy the offseason and get ready for our first winning season in 5 years, nothing else matters.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:58 am
# Delta Raider Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am
It’s funny black hole priest, he’s not very good at arguing. He just says kinda crazy silly stuff, that has no basis in fact. He would rather believe Peter King than 6.8 Billion people who will tell him Kiffin is still the coach. I don’t get the guy other than the fact that nothing is going to change his opinion. And there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That too.
…….
An emotional melt down ^^, and little more. But what’s to expect from you at this point?
I’m aware that Kiffin is still our coach, on paper. I never said he wasn’t. Show me the thread where I say that Kiffin was fired. I said that Kiffin is entering a lame duck season. Based on what’s happening, I believe that to be true.
Also, beside the point but I don’t mind saying, I never believed there were weapons of mass destruction for one second. I also refer to him as Gov. Bush, because I don’t believe he ever legitimately won an election.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:02 am
BHP, save it for the shrink’s couch, man. You’re way too defensive and your meltdowns have gotten tired. I’ll be here if you want to debate the points. but as long as you’re going to put words into peoples’ mouths and cry because nobody buys your regurgitation of the spin coming out of Alameda, I’ll just sit back and mock you for that. fair enough?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Delta Raider Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:40 am
“you want your 32 year old coach to take a flyer on some other college guy???? That’s just plain stupid.”
………….
Well, there’s a ringing endorsement of Kiffin…
Why was Kiffin hired if his expertise can’t be trusted? Was he hired to be a puppet? If so, it doesn’t look like he’s dancing to Al’s strings, does it?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:09 am
# Delta Raider Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:36 am
“Nolan got stipped of tons of authority. No one there is jumping off a bridge.”
……
The 49ers…now, there’s a standard to hold ourselves to. LOL.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Every day, I go to this web site called raidernews.com, the same site that gives me the link to this page, and one of the stories about the hiring of Lofton said that Kiffen interviewed him for the job. I’ll have to go back through the archives for the story. And I don’t know for certain that if Kiffs input had anything to do with the hiring. All’s I’m saying is the article that I read stated that Kiffin interviewed him for the job. The site raidernews.com, searches the internet every day for any news on the Raiders and puts them all together in one place so you don’t have to do the searching. You outta check it out.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:13 am
now he’s talking to himself again. dude no one cares believe whatever you want. Or continue your personal debate.
nite to the people that matter.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Whoa, did anyone feel an earthquake?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:20 am
I’m in Las Vegas so I didn’t feel anything.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Well I think I’m off to snooz land myself. G’nite all.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:45 am
What they do on paper doesn’t translate to wins on the field. I have to wait until the season starts to give them the title. I am by the way, hopeful for the coming season, just as I was last year and every year after that. We are RAider fans, we think we are going to win the sb every year.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Here’s one way to make the salary cap work with ease (so long as platers and agents haven’t specifically requested payment in US dollars).
http://www.newsweek.com/id/129010?GT1=43002
March 27th, 2008 at 2:09 am
sorry, ‘players’
March 27th, 2008 at 2:49 am
I’d like to be paid in Pounds please.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Hobs Gnarly,
so, no Zimbabwean dollars for you? Could impress the chicks with billionaire status.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:52 am
Kiffin is not entering a lame duck season. He still has 2 years left on the deal before any options kick in.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:00 am
Show some proof that Cable and Knapp are not Davis guys. Kiffin got the best 2 offensive coaches available at the time with Davis’s input. Lofton is a great receivers coach who won’t be beating up on our secondary any longer in SD. Another solid coaching addition with Kiffin and Davis sitting down and making the move happen.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:15 am
Those two were not even thought of if Kiffin didn’t court them. Al detested the zone system that Cable brings and Knapp is a 49ers guy. It doesn’t matter though. Al heard fans loud and clear and he is making a push. I will Kiss Al’s wrinkled butt if he wins the SB this year, especially since I have decided the 100-1 odds is too good to pass up.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:21 am
M it’s hard enough living in the UK getting paid in Dollars, no thanks. Man, I went to see the Eagles in London last weekend the dollar is soon going to be worse than a Zimbabwean dollar, no bang for the buck.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
With the 4th pick of the 2008 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
March 27th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Yeah we need a running back that can only bench 225 lbs 13 times and goes down on contact. I wonder what McFadden can squat?
and by the way………….
Is Porter going to pull a Moss on us??
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3304178&categoryId=2459789
March 27th, 2008 at 6:19 am
I was always a Porter fan, he will have a good year
March 27th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Does anyone really think Al Davis is going to draft another RB when there are obvious holes in the defense? Just from the media saying Al will pick McFaddy is enough to prove to me there’s no chance he will.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Where is your proof Davis despises the zone blocking system? You have none, nobody does. Going 2-14 even makes the old guys try new things especially since that same system you say he despises has beat his ass time and time again.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:50 am
One of the rule changes being considered….Seems to me this would work well for teams with corners that play a lot of man defense….In the area of on-field rules, owners will vote on proposals to eliminate the force-out of a receiver, similar to the college game; it was called 15 times last season. And a force-out would be called only if a defender picked up an offensive player and carried him out of bounds.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:27 am
From all indications, the only reason Davis hasn’t fired Kiffin is because he doesn’t want to pay two years of salary to a guy who is no longer working for the team.
Anyone who would disagree, can you name one public show of support that Davis has made on Kiffin’s behalf this offseason?
March 27th, 2008 at 7:28 am
M…
I think paying in dollars is a good idea, it hasn’t been this weak in centuries, so you get more for your dollar now =) would you like payed the player and agents in Euros? maaaan then the franchise would be poor in one payment… =)
LOL
I love it! =)
March 27th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Link to anyone praising the Cowboys for trading for Pac Man Jones? The guy hasn’t even been reinstated to the league yet, let alone traded.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:32 am
New Rule: Force-out is abolished. (Fine print; excepting any situation, deemed by an official’s discretion, wherein any Oakland Raider within five yards of any boundary can be flagged for the appearance of intending to want to carry an opposing player over that sideline or endline. See tuck rule for clarification.)
upon further review…
March 27th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Muahahhahaha
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/26/2053/
March 27th, 2008 at 7:35 am
eypatch come on, are you serious? it is the dreaded system of the donkeys and niners.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:35 am
LMN,
hey.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Yeah but since the Cowboys want him, they will reinstate him. He’s already being given credit for saying the right things. He comes cheap now, probably for a insignificant pick
March 27th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Well, if he does come cheap, that would be one reason to praise the move, don’t you think? You certainly can’t say we got Hall for cheap. So I don’t see why the media should view the transactions the same way.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:43 am
And yes, I do realize that Pac Man is a total scumbag.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:49 am
TrevJo Says:
From all indications, the only reason Davis hasn’t fired Kiffin is because he doesn’t want to pay two years of salary to a guy who is no longer working for the team.
Anyone who would disagree, can you name one public show of support that Davis has made on Kiffin’s behalf this offseason?
—Yeah, he hasn’t fired him, period. Al wants to win more than we do (look at the recent signings). Lane F’ed up & Al wants him to coach this yr & lead this team past (at least) the Chiefs & broncos.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Right RaiderTW, only because he doesn’t want to pay two years of salary to a guy who is no longer working for the team.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:17 am
La Milicia Negra,
yesterday died the actor Richard Widmark. As a kid one of my favorite movies was one in which Widmark portrayed a Viking leader who cruised south in search of an enormous golden bell and had to confront the leader of the Moors portrayed by Sidney Poitier. The movie, “The Long Ships”.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:25 am
M
One of my favorite scenes fron the movie was to show loyalty, they had to ride the sword of steel.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:29 am
ExLA,
cool. you know the movie.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:29 am
M…
Lol, yeah I seen the one with Kirk Douglas, ‘the vikings’ not that any of the two has much to do about vikings =) but hey, war movies from the 50′/60’s never did have much to do with reality =)
March 27th, 2008 at 8:33 am
M…
i fact, each summer for 7 years I sailed a Longship. its the best boat design even to this day! and the sound the water is making under the keel is just wonderful
March 27th, 2008 at 8:35 am
One of my all time favorites. Stealing the Kings funeral ship to chase the legend of the bee of solid gold.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:36 am
thats bell
March 27th, 2008 at 8:37 am
LMN,
have you ever come across the Michael Crichton book, “The Eaters of the Dead”? It is his enlivened version of an old manuscript (a true account) written by an emissary of the Caliph of Baghdad. The emissary was captured by Vikings and taken as prisoner to Scandinavia. The latter part of the book is absolutely fascinating when one realizes what is being described. (He also writes of the excavation in northern Denmark of a Viking village. The skeletal remains found depict men who towered to 5′7″ tall. They were considered giants in their day. Sidenote: average height of Roman soldier was 5′4″. I know, not the same era but people were certainly quite small back when.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:38 am
I like pontoons.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:42 am
LMN,
that is very cool that you have sailed Longships.
ExLA,
yep, same here, a movie I would watch again today.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Ed.!
March 27th, 2008 at 8:45 am
M…
Vikings had same height as us danes today. due to their high living standards! 6′00″ was quite normal, but just 200 years after the viking era, the height was below 5′5″
remember Napoleons suit looks small, but he was only a few inches smaller than average, today he looks like he was midget
March 27th, 2008 at 8:45 am
and kayaks too
March 27th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Dakota i showed my wife the 7th round pick thats my wife’s best friend her name is Brandi Dahl look her up on images
March 27th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Can we talk about C.long? I think Mr.Davis has to get this guy 4 us!! We haven’t dominated on the D line for too Long.I’m keepin my fingers crossed
March 27th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Ibn Fadlan, was on a trip to Denmark but he never made it to the northern part, he stayed at ‘Hedeby’ a famous viking town, today its located just south of the danish-german border…
Ibn Fadlan, though sailed through Denmark, and told some stories about us.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:53 am
No kidding? I’m I about to be sued?
March 27th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Dakota,
kayaking in the lagoons of Polynesia…unbelievable times.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Im totally, on drafting defense this year with aour first round pick, but if the draft goes Miami C. Long, Rams, Gholston and Atlanta Dorsey, I say bring Mc Fadden to the team, and wait until next year to sign J. Allen From the Chiefs, he is a true Raider!!!!!
March 27th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Did you like what you seen
March 27th, 2008 at 8:57 am
M,
Jet skiing with a hot chick in the Bahamas…unbelievable times!
March 27th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Dahl…
btw, is a danish surname =)
March 27th, 2008 at 8:57 am
that brandi is smokin hott
March 27th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Also we can trade Washington, to Pick Trevor Laws that will be great
March 27th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Very much so, but don’t tell my wife, lol.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Trevor Laws….
mmmmgooooood player =)
March 27th, 2008 at 8:59 am
408Raider,
Raider on! (We hit a hiatus in the comments. RaiderDell can quote blog rules section and verse when it allowable to diverge onto any tangent during the off-season. After post #1300 on day three I’m certain that the rule is engaged.)
March 27th, 2008 at 9:01 am
I have autographed pictures if you like i can send you one.Just need to know were to send it.She likes nerdy white guy from what i hear
March 27th, 2008 at 9:03 am
My bad Im a nube in here but I’v been reading this blog 4 a few months now! I think its great keep it up NATION
March 27th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Thanks for the offer, I think I will just bookmark her picture on the web instead.
Nerdy? I would rather think of myself as well-rounded.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:08 am
how do you think i feel this whole time i didnt know my wife knew her.She would just say i’am going out with my friends and like a dumb a$$ i say o.k.Would never ask with who now i say wait for me
March 27th, 2008 at 9:15 am
R8DR4LFE please end this lame azz conversation and stick to sports. Most of us don’t care about that stupid crap. Join a chat room in the IRC.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Dakota’s body is a well-rounded temple.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Is Jerry on vacation? There must be something to report on…….
March 27th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Jerry- Hey, it’s been 5 days since the last post and you stated a month ago the last time we went two days w/o a new post was the previous offseason when things went blah.
Any news on this Ocho Cinco trade for Stu, Rhodes, and a pick next year?
There’s got to be something to write about, especially with the workouts in addition to the draft coming up.
Has Al visited any of the Pro Days? How about Kiffin or Lofton?
Something please!!!
March 27th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Einstein,
the time-space continuum has met with a warp in the fabric. Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Vernon Gholston, Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis have reached a moment of suspended animation from being banged around so often.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:32 am
M
Fantastic observation. Well done.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Einstein,
or to put it another way E(llis)= MC(Fadden)2 doesn’t quite explain the nuances of all that can and will continue to go on in the Raider universe.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Jim Trotter @ SI reported on Cold Pizza this morning that he spoke to Nnamdi thru text message and Nnamdi said he was happy and all for the addition of DeAngelo Hall and that the defense is that much closer to being a dominate force in the NFL – He also said that Nnamdi did not want to discuss his contract – However last week CP said that the Raiders wanted to see how the 2ndary played out this year before offering Nnamdi a long term deal next year
March 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am
M
The time space continuum of the Raider Nation certainly extends beyond the quadratic level of the dimensional universe. To grasp the full elements of the reality of the continuum, one must extend the beliefs that the continuum actually exists, and the greatness will return to the Raider Nation. The nuances are a fabrication of the minds level to fabricate the existence of three championships and the ability to obtain a fourth. To reach the level of greatness one must trade the 4th pick for eventual greatness by possessing additional picks by in fact releasing the hope that the 4th pick will increase the speed of the continuum, when indeed it will slow down the progression as needed matter on the D line can be obtained by aquiring additional picks.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Come on Einstein, come up with something new, you are getting tedious.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Nnamdi seems to be an outstanding young man. He does not seem to be in the least the all-too-often selfish modern athlete.
Einstein,
In the Black Hole, General Relativity re-forms (into what? No one is quite sure.).
March 27th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Einstein,
1402. Well done.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Dakota dont hate cuz you think McFaddens body is a temple and you want to rock the body that rocks.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Come on Daktoa, you know I got your back mang!!
March 27th, 2008 at 9:46 am
13 reps…not a temple, lol. More like a small alter.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:47 am
You know you want to kneel down at that alter!!!!
hehe, sorry bro, you set yourself up AGAIN!!
March 27th, 2008 at 9:48 am
shit
March 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am
You are losing your touch Dakota. What is the matter with you? Water tainted in SD?
March 27th, 2008 at 9:53 am
I ate some bad wooly mammoth the other morning; I am out of sorts.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Dakota,
think of hot chicks in the Bahamas. All good.
Later Nation.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Dakota
It’s cool, we all have taken one for the team, or been the wing man for a friend. Just remember you don’t have to eat it.
Sheesh, Im on a roll.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:57 am
New Post!
March 27th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Got ya back Dakota!
March 27th, 2008 at 9:58 am
I should have shaved it first.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Nice try ExLa,
What did you think of the game last night? Did Kobe kiss his MVP chances goodbye with his meltdown? I wish he would stop crying after ever damned play. Grow up and be a leader.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:03 am
They are wearing down without Gasol and Bynum. Kind of like last year. When the injuries hit, Kobe could only carry them so far. And the O.T. win Monday drained them. No excuses though, a loss is a loss.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:09 am
My sources tell me that John Herrera has this quote framed and hung in his office:
“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.” Adolf Hitler.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:09 am
one trade that I can see the old man trying to get done is maybe trading Burgess, Jordan and a 2nd rounder next year for C.J.
Doubt anything will happen though…because we dont’ really need to pay another high price for another WR. We seem to be set at WR now. If the old man wants to add an explosive weapon to the offense that can do it all. D-Mac is that player. If he wants a strong, explosive and versatile pass rusher who is solid against the run….Gholston is that player.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:13 am
#1421 is hung right next to this gem on Herrera’s wall:
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.” Adolf Hitler.
Sure, Kiffin and Al Davis are just fine…everything is hunky dory in Alameda.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:19 am
On an offensive note:
DMc will start out a more explosive Fargas with the same speed but with hands that can catch the ball and then block so they say. Of course he will help the Raiders running game but how much will he help the Raidrs over all and how much will he cost?
The passing game has to complement the running game in order for the defense not to eventually cheat up and cloud the line of scrimmage to stop the run.
As it stands right now the Raiders have no dependable LT or center that can pass block for JR. What the Raiders have are turnstile type flag monsters in the passing game.
So far AD has focused on the skill positions once again ignoring quality “O” linemen which is what has brought the Raiders their ridicule and scorn the last five years. AD does not get it and the Raiders will not get to the playoffs until AD wakes up and brings in quality linemen that can pass block as well as run block in the ZBS.
Imagine how well the “O” linemen we have on board right now with their ability to pass block would stand up against the NY Giant’s “D” line .
So we need to concentrate on securing well rounded quality “O” linemen for the ZBS that will allow JR to develop and prolong his health so we can realize his talents over the length of his contract.
Whats more, we need a dependable west coast offense type QB with NFL experience to back up JR. The Raiders are going to need him if we go to war with Henderson and Harris.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:44 am
MRD u have no faith! I believe in Cable! The man’s a freakin magician.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Spot on, Mad Dog.
We know that Tom Cable can organise this talent into an effective blocking line and that we can run the ball in this league. I am sure that a line of Harris, Gallery, Grove, Carlisle and McQuistan can provide the basis for Fargas, Bush and Rhodes to make good yardage – especially behind fullbacks of the quality of Griffith and Mr Pain. The big question is whether Cable can also get the same linemen to offer JR good enough protection in passing situations?
Knowing Kiffin and Knapp, we will run a lot of play-action, we will use the shotgun (a lot), but can we protect JR in the pocket?
That is one of the reasons I would trade out of the No4 pick in exchange for a later 1st and at least a high 2nd. Sam Baker will go at the top of the 2nd – Baker would be ideal because he could play the zone and would be comfortable at Guard as well as tackle. Nicks, Cousins and Collins are other OTs who would seem a decent fit.
We know we can run the football (even without McFadden), the key to real success for us will be if we can also give JR enough protection to use his great arm. If we can…WOW…this would be a very scary offense.
March 27th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Tragic news, ESPN just reported that one of my mock draft favourites has died:
Heath Benedict, a two-time Little All-American offensive lineman from Newberry College in South Carolina, was found dead on a couch in his home.
Jacksonville police said no foul play is suspected in the death of the 24-year-old Benedict, a 6-foot-4¾, 321-pound senior who had high hopes of being selected in the NFL draft next month.
Benedict, who redshirted at Tennessee as a freshman in 2002 before moving on to Newberry, was a native of the Netherlands. He played high school football at the Peddie School in Hightstown, N.J.
Jacksonville police spokesman Ken Jefferson said Benedict’s body was taken to the medical examiner’s office to determine the cause of his death. He was found dead Wednesday evening. Benedict was ranked the No. 4 guard in the draft by Scouts Inc. and projected as a fourth-round selection in April.
Terrible. He would have been a serious option at the top of the 4th.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:02 am
O Cousins maybe be there in round 4 as well.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Cousins is on that late 3rd/early 4th cusp. Another prospect that I like is Jeremy Zuttah from Rutgers. He is 6-3, 303lbs and ran 4.99 at the Combine. He also benched (225)35 times. He would be great in our zone system.
A couple of very late round OT prospects:
Brian Stamper, Vanderbilt.
Tim Silver, Richmond.
Neither will go before the 7th, but both have talent and with some good coaching might be worth a small investment.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Do we see a trade coming.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:19 am
what trade where
March 27th, 2008 at 11:19 am
It is interesting to compare this years OT prospects with Mario Henderson’s stats from last year…and it isn’t great reading.
Henderson could only run the 40yds in 5.11 and only managed to bench the 225 a very ordinary 20 times.
I thought he was a huge reach last draft. Nothing so far hs convinced me I was wrong. Bust looming?
March 27th, 2008 at 11:23 am
ScottishRaider
My comments to you are this, I believe you have looked at the current players coming out.
The Raiders need more choices, the cap is not a issue.
The mock drafts are starting to suggest trades with NE and Jets, if we trade down and receive an extra pick in the second round late, who would be available, that would be NE pick, the Jets will never trade a high second to us, possibly a third round and maybe a future pick.
For the argument let’s say we draft an offensive player, who would be available for a linebacker or DL in the late second round.
Any comments would be appreciated.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:28 am
AD trading down is wishful thinking and goes against his philosophy of the draft(as wrong as he has been lately). Even doing a deal with Dallas flies in the face of what he has done in the past. When was the last trade down by AD?
March 27th, 2008 at 11:29 am
RaiderDell,
2nd round: Red Bryant or Dre Moore for the D-Line!
March 27th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Dakota Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 10:00 am
“Nice try ExLa,
What did you think of the game last night? Did Kobe kiss his MVP chances goodbye with his meltdown? I wish he would stop crying after ever damned play. Grow up and be a leader.”
Dakota -
Kobe had a meltdown last night? Give me some details.
“I wish he would stop crying after ever damned play. Grow up and be a leader.”
Don’t hold your breath on that one. Kobe will always be Kobe. At least he passes the ball more now…
March 27th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Bart
Where can I go other than to the college web site for information on the two mentioned.
I believe Bryant will be gone before Moore, based on Mock drafts seen by me.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Welcome back RaiderDell
Trade down to #7 with NE and get an additional 3rd round pick. With the 7th pick the Raiders select LB Keith Rivers from USC. After picking up a 2nd round pick from another deal, use the 2nd round pick on Trevor Laws. Then with the 3rd round pick start looking Offense.
What I just typed seems eerily familiar…
March 27th, 2008 at 11:37 am
I am kneeling at the McFadden alter…
March 27th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Scottish
I think the Raiders drafted Henderson based on his performance versus last year´s top rated pass-rushers, he played very well against both Gaines Adams and Denver´s Jarvis Moss.
I don´t know if he will end up a bust or not, just saying that´s probably what they liked about him.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:43 am
My deepest gratitude to the Moderator.
I apologize for being banned, my comment “pi***d o**”
was not appropriate.
I have tried to set a standard of great discussion and debate.
I have tried to help clean up the name calling as well.
My question is this, what words are not appropriate, I often see geek, dweeb, death to and individual, moron, stupid, arse, schit, fu**k, hell, racist comments and many others.
I believe it would be in the best interest of all of us to know what is reasonable and I assume the words we have in our post to be reasonable.
You must no my IP as I was banned, so please e-mail me and let me know and I will comply with those standards.
I have yet to use different user names or engage in any activity to demean any blogger here.
I have disagreements, but none as bad as I’ve have seen blogged by others.
I am reasonable and if you assume I should know what is satisfactory, or to know better, please let’s set a standard, so all of us have equal expectations.
Thanks for all you do, and especially to Jerry for his blog comments.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dogg
After post #1440 I’ll be banned again, so I’ll just go on.
Before I go, thanks.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dell, you got banned for saying POed…well that is total BS, WTF are these guys thinking?
March 27th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Dakota
Tax season will never get in the way of my SILVER AND BLACK, and the great discussions that goes on here.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Dogg,
Kobe threw a fit after fouling someone on a three. Got two tchnicals and was tossed. One more technical and he will be suspended for one game…not very MVPish actions of you ask me. Chris Paul now deserves it more than Kobe.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Dakota,
Would you move over a wee bit, you’re taking up all the room at the alter.
Thx
March 27th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Right on Dell.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Dell,
There might not be too much choice in terms of DEs a the top of the 2nd. Maybe Lawrence Jackson (USC) or Calais Campbell (Miami) might slip down. The best option could be the under-rated Chris Harrington from Texas A&M. I expect him to move up the Board.
A better option could be to move Kelly back out to DE and draft a DT. The choice is so much better: Kentwan Balmer (N Carolina), Dre Moore, Trevor Laws and, probably the pick, Pat Sims from Auburn – I think he has the best size/skill combo.
The ILB options aren’t great, although Jerod Mayo (Tennessee) and Curtis Lofton (Oklahoma) are sound prospects. I like the look of Jonathan Goff from Vanderbilt – he was off-radar but had good combine and is creeping up the Board.
Bottom line. If you don’t take an OT, take Pat Sims. Dre Moore is a workout warrior, Sims isn’t – he’s a football player.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I probably need to have different user names or argue with someone, to hide who I am, or better yet constantly change my IP.
My dad always said the world is never fair, I believe it was gospel truth, and right on.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:51 am
ScottishRaider
Thanks, I believe we need to start drafting football players, instead of athletes who look good in spandex.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Dell,
As a taxpaying member of the middle class, I am 100% sure life is not fair.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Holy Crow, Dell, I didn’t know you were banned!!!! Join the Club!! I was banned, mainly because “who do you think” as she’s posting now, posted a bunch of foul racist stuff under my name, which got both of us banned. Of course, that pissed me off, resulting in a tirade from me, which no doubt did not help.
I think the Mods should acknowledge that we had a little war going on in here for the last few months, which resulted in less than satisfactory use of both language and this site, however we have zeroed in on the problem, once the problem was eliminated, even temporarily, 98% of that dissatisfying trouble went away. Now, even tho she is back posting, things for the most part have settled down. We still have a month til the draft so, it’s most likely going to be a little boring around here. Still, no reason to stir up crap. Bottom Line, welcome back, Dell, you were certainly missed!!
March 27th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Dakota
The taxes you paid, in the eyes of our federal “IRS”
You are not middle class.
You are wealthy, get over it and dream of bigger paydays ahead. LOL
March 27th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Actually, Dell, what I forgot to say, was in that melee a week or so back, a few IP’s got banned, because “you know who” was posting under different names. Maybe you just got caught up in the sweep. That’s most likely what happened.
March 27th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Darn those IRS buttheads! (was that too harsh?)
March 27th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
No, butthead is fine. Butthole is over the line. Signed Oakglenn the new self appointed cleaner of all things foul
March 27th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
At DE the 2nd round is kind of weak, but I think the early 4th round has some hidden gems:
Kendall Langford
Jason Jones
Brian Johnston
my personal favorite is Brian Johnston who was not invited to the combine, but put up top 5 numbers in all of the important categories during his pro-day workout. He is a small-school prospect that could be a good find.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Glenn
As I watched from the sideline, it was amusing to see the arguments and language used.
It was not as bad being banned as it was watching some bloggers here not able to recognize certain bloggers style of writing and committing the sin of not being responsible and noticing their was an imposter to the user name, that was funny.
Not funny to the real user name.
I’m back and for how long, oh well, let’s go.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
That was you Dell? Sorry I never guessed it right…I just thought you were buried in 1040s and not posting.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
My standard of posting, (unless I am really pissed off and trying to bring the mods in here) has been anything that can be said on prime time TV should be able to be posted here. So, gratuitous use of the word ass is allowed.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
My last post was March 19, and today is March 27, I am free, sort off.
Also, why is the week the standard for banned language.
To all bloggers this will be the last comment, sorry.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Life-long Raider fan…been following this blog for quite a while…great insights. Al Davis is not afraid of anybody or anything and is never afraid to be the first to try…like playing the cap against a no-cap season. My Draft wish-list:
1) Mini-Me Long.
2) trade down for Cowboys 2 firsts and 2nd or 3rd.
3) gholston or mcfadden – win/win – both are difference makers.
4) all of the above!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
say what now?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Dakota -
Let me ask you this. What if Kobe got a technical in the last game of the reular season, would he then be suspended for the 1st playoff game or would he serve the game suspension at the beginning of next year?
Dell -
I am flabergasted that you of all people were banned. It must have been a mistake. I have never once seen you post anything offensive. I will probably be banned for saying that you shouldn’t have been banned.
Meanwhile we see countless posts that remain although they are clearly offensive. Hang in there and don’t let this discourage you from posting.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Did Dorsey do anything yesterday to bring him back into the top 5 picks?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
P.S. I can tell the difference between you guys and Maddenraider posing as you guys
March 27th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
playoffs
March 27th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
40 YARD dash time for Henderson was 5.11 and that is bad for a man his size 6′7 310??
Come on….
March 27th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Dell, THAT is the thing that drives you crazy!!!! Whoah, OakGlenn cut the racist crap!!! You just hang your head. The sad part is like you, you’ve been in here for months, probably years, and you personally have A TON of cred and handle yourself with such dignity and class . And then some smarmy little puke wipes it out in three posts. I think it was Tommy Trojan who was next on the hit parade and he felt it wasn’t all that much fun watching someone screw you up. Bottom line is what you said, which is you have to be able to tell who is who. It’s actually pretty obvious, once you’ve been here awhile.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
scottish raidr,
i like the chris harrington suggestion…..he is a sleeper IMO…and a 3rd or 4th rounder.
Guys…we need to aquire a 3rd rounder at the very least! It is imperative. I can live with not having a 2nd rounder but a 3rd rounder is all important this year IMO. They should be able to trade Fabian, Routte, for a 3rd rounder.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Here is an update on Draft Beer’s mistress:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342115,00.html
March 27th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I paid my season tickets, the full amount last week.
I was told by others, to rethink your commitment, after one nanosecond, I made my decision.
I’m a Raider fan, and “I WILL” be back.
I can’t wait for the season to start.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I think you just got swept up in the cross fire Dell. I was hoping that wasn’t going to happen to any of the decent posters, particularly Bob Marley who was being identity thefted that day. They said 6 IP’s were banned. So, maybe just a mistake they got you.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Scottish,
Zuttah would be another good pick in the 4th. He has the good footwork to play in the ZBS.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Dell as one that has been banned from several IP addresses on this blog I certainly don’t feel your pain. Quit crying and deal with it. Life isn’t fair, Daddy wasn’t there to change your underwear, and take you to the fair. Does mommy and daddy clean up after all your messes? Just deal with it you whimp.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Jerry, I still want to know who Todd Carter is, lol.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Darkknight
Your post #1467 is great, a 6′7″ 300lb pound young man running a 5:11 forty is great, compared to Ali Highsmith from LSU running a 4:78 at 225 lbs is depressing.
The times are pretty close considering the weight difference,I can’t figure it out, how people miss that stuff.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
He played in the Super Bowl game that Kiffin coached.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Dell, at 6′7, 300 lbs, maybe his manboobs crossed the line one second before the rest of him?
March 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
yesterday I had problem posting and i was in the middle of post….and “someone” was pressing the #1 key…over and over again. I thought it was my work….but I think it was someone on here trying to do some shady things. I was going to be pissed…but now i can post again today! Heyooo
March 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Einstein
I figured somebody would throw a typical comment my way, as be a man don’t be a whimp, etc..
I hope you feel better, now back to Raider football.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
If you get banned just reset your modem, which creates a new proxy IP Address. At least it works for me and I have been banned several times.
Until they get a registration process in here there will always be easy ways around being banned.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
I do, I feel great, thank you. Now go change your diaper.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
M,
This one is for you:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342289,00.html
March 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Raiderdell,
Hendersons 5:11 40 time is great for a man his size IMO.
6′7,310lbs…and someone expects him to run a 4:8??
Amazingly unreal….
March 27th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Wow DarkNight01, that is amazingly unreal. Dude has a motor.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
NEW POST, FINALLY!!!
March 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
DE is the only need Al hasn’t addressed yet….believe that he is focused on C Long or Gholston in the draft.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
random,
I would think so…IF the old man bases his decision off NEED first. Can’t go wrong with C. Long or Gholston IMO…because they are both versatile and talented strong players who would fill a need.
I think Miami goes with C Long because he is a Tuna type of player….Matt Ryan for Tuna at #1 overall is NOT going to happen. Lambs…should take J Long but you never know…they may go after gholston. I think Atlanta goes with Dorsey, J Long or Ryan.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
E,
what i’m saying is unreal is that someone said that his 5:11 40 time was bad? haha
March 27th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I think the old man might be cooking up a deal somehow to get Chris Long….Al looks to be playing “all in” this year.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Dell, guess who it is???? The person who “has been banned from several IP addresses on this blog” is now in here throwing crap around again. Wow. What a total shock. What type of psychological deficiency would you have to have to keep returning somewhere where you are clearly not wanted????
March 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Tech Geek….
muahahhaha, good advise, but we stopped using modems around the millennium, muhahaha LOL
March 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Nope, you got the wrong person Oak. I have always been Einstein, thats the only name I have ever used. Can’t stop others from using it though.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Miami drafts Chris Long….McFadden is available at #4…trade it to Cowboys for picks…trade those picks to Miami for C. Long
The angle being that Dallas doesn’t want to trade all the way up to #1, but Miami wants the picks bad enough to give us a discount
March 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I was saying this a few weeks ago and people here were laughing at me for it. Trade the overall #4 and either Walter or Fabian for the overall #1 and take Chris Long. Seems to solve a lot of problems.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Sorry Einstein. We seem to have some problems with ID’s around here. My apologies.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Son of Howie in Silver and Black seems to make the world a much nicer place.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
No Einstein…no new post yet…
March 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Oakglenn
Genius is always ridiculed at first
March 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
As we get closer to the draft it feels like Long is overhyped and McFadden should be the guy…this Long kid, I don’t think he’s going to come in and dominate..ditto for Gholston, he should stay in school another year..only one fast, explosive player this team needs…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
And to all the guys I called DUMB a few weeks back, well, I’m wrong, you’re right…the pick has to be DMAC how the offseason is shaping up….
March 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
there are 1500 posts here, this is a new one as well…
are this einstein talking about a new ‘thread’ ? or ‘article’ ?? well no, there is no new thread..
March 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
ohh here is another new post…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
and yet another…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Oaklenn
Yeah, in fact, that´s what I was expecting when Schefter said we had a big deal in the making, turned out to be DeAngelo but I´d like to move up for Chris Long.
Hell, I´d trade both Fabian, Walter and the 4th for Chris Long.
That´s a 25 yr. old, former 1st rounder CB and a 26 yr. old former 3rd rounder QB in exchange for dropping down 3 spots, which apparently is what Miami would like to do.
Don´t know if Miami would do it but on the Raiders side I´m all for it.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
cap-wise is that possible?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
“Tech Geek….
muahahhaha, good advise, but we stopped using modems around the millennium, muhahaha LOL”
Hey genius La milicia knownothing -
I use what is called a “Wireless Modem” ever hear of that smart ass? You are a total dickhead aren’t you?And whats with the idiotic “Muahahahaha”? Your posts read like a smart ass little girl that thinks she knows it all only to be sadly mistaken.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Quag..
is what possible?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Bob Marley
“That´s a 25 yr. old, former 1st rounder CB and a 26 yr. old former 3rd rounder QB in exchange for dropping down 3 spots, which apparently is what Miami would like to do.
Don´t know if Miami would do it but on the Raiders side I´m all for it.”
Sounds like a fantasy football trade to me…here’s 3 things I don’t want anymore for the first pick overall lol
March 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Tech Geek
fair enough, I still have that grin though =)
March 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Tech Geek…
my bad, when i think of modems, I think of the original term, a thingy that modulates analog to digital. But if you use a wider definition of modem, then okay, then okay, from radio to digital, there is modem too
we have broadband here, and yes i got wifi, but if I reset my wifi, it wont change the IP… it will just reset the, ehm, the wifi =)
March 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
TechGeek
Post #1481, thanks for the advice, any other pointers send them my way.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
La Loser Negra -
that’s called an “ignorance is bliss” grin. Take your smart ass sh*t somewhere else. Contrary to what you may believe, you are not as smart as you think you are.
I have seen many of your posts on this site and I must say that you are an arrogant cuss that obviously thinks that he is smarter than everyone else.
The funny thing is you are so eager to point out other people’s mistakes but when someone points out your mistakes you kick and scream and do whatever it takes to avoid having to admit that you are wrong.
Pretty pathectic really
March 27th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
LMN, my question was reffering to the Raiders acquiring the #1 pick from the Miami Tunas.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Tech Geek,
LOL, thats some funny shite. Let La Negra have it..
March 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Tech Geek…
I never said I know everything, if I act like it, then its either my fault for giving that impression or its your fault for misinterpret my posts…
btw… if you reset your modem, your dhcp server will remember your MAC adress, and then hand out the same IP again….JFYI
March 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
RD and Bob,actually from a Miami point of view I think it also makes total sense, hence why I was bringing it up. The only issue with this scenario is it isn’t going to go down until Miami has 15 seconds to make their lst round pick. Until then, they will be fielding every possible offer for the pick.
Obviously, Miami has TONS of issues, not unlike us. The reason you would do this deal is Walter really is a good QB prospect, Fabian is a very good CB prospect, both are CLEARLY NEEDS FOR THEM, and you’re going to get another good prospect, depending who is still on the board at 4. Kind of a no brainer if you’re Parcells to me.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Quag
This is my understanding of the rookie pool of the yearly cap.
The NFL instructs teams of the dollar amount to set aside for the upcoming draft.
Last year, the Raiders with the number one choice and high second round and all of the other draft picks were advise to set aside $3.25 million dollars for that draft.
Today as we speak the raiders have no second, third, or fifth rounder.
The cap base on guaranteed dollars, compared to Mario Williams deal for a DL is my point of this topic and your question.
The Raiders need only to set aside around $1.75 million, towards their cap, my numbers found were from past articles regarding the draft dollars.
The Raiders currently have $4 million dollars that is below the cap.
Reports surfaced last week from John Clayton ESPN, that the Raiders are over $130 million, which is adding up all players under contract, for cap purposes the roster of that number probably is correct, but for cap purposes today, only 52 players are counted until 48 hours before opening day the cap number must be adhered to, which for this year 2008, is $116 million.
Potential cap casualties for more room, Jordan, Schweigert, Carr, Stewart, Rhodes, Griffith etc..
The Raiders have room, and flexibility.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I didn’t take the nick ‘tech geek’ or ‘einsten’ for that matter, but if you can’t put your money where talk is, then dont talk…
you are clearly not a tech geek…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Sorry, I guess I am distracted today. I keep forgetting the points I want to make. The point about the trade is it seems it is taking 2-4 years for prospects to develop. For us Chris long seems a ready made prospect, and for Miami both Walter and Washington would seem to be ready to play. Instant help for both teams. That was my point.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Quag…
I think its wishful thinking, the entire calculation will fall apart if Dallas doesn’t want McFadden, which I believe the wont…
Cap-wise it is a fatamorgana…
March 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Thanks for the insight, Dell….good stuff.
LMN, fatamorgana?
March 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Einstein…
my posts about ‘new post’ was just pure fun, nothing else, and if it could clarify the ‘term’ post then it would have been great.
It wasn’t an attack or something but since there was no new ‘thread’ I couldn’t help my self.
March 27th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
quagmire..
ahh, hmm, ehm i dont think its a local term, its an optical illusion, caused by the weather.
Let me rephrase it. I think it is impossible to land a 1st round pick, I think they ones who think that are kidding them self, perhaps its theoretical possible in 2008, but then we will get burned so much more in 2009… and as I understand it, its not until 2010 the CBA ends.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Hey Oakglenn, can you say monkey spunk in here?
March 27th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
RaiderTW…
LOl, looks like it =)
March 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I was trying to open a temporary email account & all of the names I came up were taken so I tried monkeyspunk@……AND IT WAS TAKEN!!!!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
TW, try monkeysplooge@….
March 27th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Griffin should not be let go…the others can be.
Jordan and or Rhodes should try and be traded if anything.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
DK, agreed….if we plan on drafting McFadden, then trade Rhodes for a mid to late round pick or something similar.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Attention Media:
Press Release
Denver Broncos are in a free fall, move off the Raiders and do some reporting.
Raider fans.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/27/krieger-bizarre-offseason-keeps-getting-stranger/
March 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
i think we can definitely get at least a 4th rounder for Rhodes.
In regards to Burgess, i hope he improves against the run next year….right now he is liability against the run. Thats why I want Ghoslton or C Long ahead of D-Mac
March 27th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
LOL…the orange ponies are in deep trouble this coming up season. I have a feeling we are gonna beat the snot of them.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
“I didn’t take the nick ‘tech geek’ or ‘einsten’ for that matter, but if you can’t put your money where talk is, then dont talk…
you are clearly not a tech geek…”
Take your own advice moron. You are clearly an arrogant person. As far as “talking the talk” you assume that everyone has a MAC do you? Like I said before, pure ignorance.
“The empty can always makes the most noise”
Think about it. or maybe go cut and paste an article to try and appear that you have a clue.
Right on Einstein, you the mang!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
DarkKnight01
Here is your response from a denver fan with hope, and many loses ahead, read between the lines, very funny.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by CMoney on March 27, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As Bronco fans we have become accustomed to having a competitive franchise nearly every year of Shanny’s tenure. We NEVER spent millions to make a Super Bowl run for one or two years and then have he classic SALARY CAP FIRESALE ala the Titans, Niners, Raiders, Ravens. Some of these “buy a Super Bowl” franchises have been “rebuilding” for over a decade. While it bothers me that Shanny always tiptoes the salary cap line we do manage the cap as well or better than 90% of the 32 franchises in the league (with exception to the Pats, Chargers, and Colts). That being said, we as Bronco fans are having a hard time facing the “rebuilding” era that seems to be imminent. Remember true fans are “thick and thin” and that criticism should be constructive not destructive. We are younger club than I can remember in the Shanny era with lots of upside. Many of our off season moves have brought in role players and saved us some space under the cap. Taking the hit on Javon (he’s all yours Al) now we’ll free up cap space during the next two years rather than the alternative of screwing up our cap for the next three. Henry saved us almost $6 million, the Wiegman/Myers swap saved us money, Elam walking will potentially save us about $1.5 million. Sundquist was a figure head not a REAL GM, and Shanny’s new digs (aka “Taj Mahal”)has nothing to do with team finances, player salaries, or the organizations layoffs. Ten years ago the fans of Denver would have built that house for Shanny. At any rate, lets look at some of the “silver linings”. Cutler is the real deal, Marshall needs to screw his head on and realize he is a pro now but he his an animal at wideout, Scheffler will be 100% (knock on wood) to start this season and has the speed and hands at TE to be a top 5 TE in the entire league, Henry was leading the league in rushing until he was injured,, had a “false positive” THC test, and was publicly chastised for being a pimp that can’t wrap his tool. The defense played the first half of the season under Bates’ strange version of the 4-3 where Moss was standing up at DE and Bailey was our leading tackler in some of those games. We have a great mix at DE, we are still a player for D. Robertson a DT he spends time in the offensive backfield ala T. Pryce, the best corner tandem in the league, new depth at safety, a new MLB (untested but a special teams freak) that will put D.J. in his natural position to make tackles, and Boss who held Gonzales and Gates to only 2 receptions between the two of them last season. If we can get somebody who can get touchbacks on kickoffs instead of every team starting at the 35 yard line or better, and a YOUNG franchise left tackle (Clady or Williams) for Cutler and the boys to grow with, I believe the growing pains will continue for a couple of years but all in all the franchise is heading in the right direction.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
DarkKnight01
I agree Griffith, is an important piece in this offense, he catches the ball great too, O’neill needs him as mentor a year more, at least!
Rhodes stays, no doubt about that, that why they renegotiated his deal, about jordan, well he is gone, since the didn’t renegotiate his deal…
March 27th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Tech Geek…
try again, you need another nick, you clearly doesn’t know anything about IP or internet…
I talked about MAC address, something each PC has… that means apples stuff has it too. get a new nick, I dont know much about internet, but several times has i showed more knowledge than you… AND YOU ARE THE TECH GEEK!
take a look at this, perhaps you will expand your vast knowledge…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Access_Control
I have used a civil tone tone the entire time, I would appreciate if you did the same…
March 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
they must be rocky mountain high in denver about now
March 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
When we hired Lofton all you heard was how he was going to be the next head coach. I think you have to prove that you can teach wideouts how to get open and be a success at that level before you talk about moving up……….with our new shutdown corners if Loften can teach our wideouts how to get open MAYBE he’s ready for the next level.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Don’t make me start posting funny pictures again!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
uhhh btw I don’t own a mac… but i have several MAC’s
LOL
March 27th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
La Milicia moron
My opinion of you remains the same. Arrogant, know it all cuss that thrives on pointing out other people’s mistakes.
I imagine that you garner similar responses to mine in all aspects of your life, yet you still don’t get it.
I reckon that you never will. FYI only fools use the Wikipedia as a reference. Yet another example of your ignorance…
“an empty can makes the most noise”
March 27th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
dakota…
your welcome, I enjoy them =)
http://nerd.dk/archives/2008/02/20/index.html#e2008-02-20T17_10_56.txt
btw, just saw ghost whisper, I think its fake too =)
dakota, just joking =) you can take it!
March 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
LMN,
What is Ghost Whisper? I watch Ghost Hunters…last night’s episode proved there are ghosts, lol…I think.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Here is Al Davis’ pet cat:
http://www.midmarketmaven.com/uploads/weird-thumb.jpg
March 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
yeah I’m perhaps arrogant, but that doesn’t make you right, all you said has been wrong, in terms of this blog you’ve been oaked!
I used the Wiki to give you a quick clue, I know the stuff on that page, but it sounds like you didn’t and you are the self proclaimed ‘TECK GEEK’ I can easily live with people like you think I’m arrogant, but how can a geek live with himself knowing he doesn’t know anything about IP? that is the question here…
btw its not fair to ‘einstein’ to bring him into this
March 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Dakota…
LOL, something my GF talked me into watch before I went to work =)
that Hewitt is cute though =)
March 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
#1540 LOL
March 27th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Dakota
How close are you to the following:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
http://www.blackhillsbadlands.com/
March 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
wow, great nature!
March 27th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Right next door to all of that. 40 miles or so from here to Mt. Rushmore, and about the same to the badlands.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Jeff Otis, 6-1 210
Erik Meyer, 6-1 215
that two small qb’s if you run out of the pocket the height means less, but I still think is hired to throw the ball during camp…
March 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Dakota…
I’d love to go, maybe I could hire you and your gun as protection =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Dakota
Have you been on the 1880 Train Hill city ride.
They say it’s a 20 mile journey, in an old western train, sounds like fun.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
learn to read ignorant cuss!
Try shining the light on yourself once in a while, maybe you’ll see what the rest of us already do.
Go back to your female army in black and stop talking to me now, I no longer wish to argue with you considering you will never see the error of your ways.
Einstein, you’re right this guy is like a cockroach scurrying around in the dark, hoping to prove someone else wrong because he can’t handle it when he is wrong himself.
Right on mang
“an empty can makes the most noise”
March 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Dell,
Yes, I have been on that ride, but it has been probably 18 years…it was pretty fun then.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I’m not sure if this article has been posted. NBCSports.com Tom Curran, 3/26/08 “RAIDERS’ spending spree rooted in new cap”. Check it out NATION, you want the truth-can all you HATERS handle the truth. Anyways I found it to be great and well researched.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Dakota
I wonder if you can have a party on the ride, seems like a fun way to travel.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Well researched, besides stating Stu & Huff are the safties, which they are but Wilson is the starter.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
so called tech geek….
LOL
I think you, unveiled your ignorance even more, start learning some languages kid! or just start learn!
But anyhoo, this will be my last post for you, I hope too =)
well, I read it again, and still everything you said wrong, I agreed a Wifi modem could be considered a modem, but its really not… and the thing you said it did, was wrong to, then you disclose you as the anti-geek when you assumed MAC had something to do with mac…
you got oaked, live with it, get a new nick, lets talk football, I hope on good terms.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
LoserMentalityNonsense -
The bottom line is I was trying to give someone some helpful advice and you felt it necessary to make fun of me as if you knew what you were talking about.
That’s what I get for trying to help someone out. A know it all arrogant bastard that is never wrong talking to me about “talking the talk”. Unbelievable!
“an empty can makes the most noise”
March 27th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
#87 Dave Casper
Good article, I tried to link it up here, the system won’t allow it.
Where is the Tech Geek, I need help.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Geek just ignore LMN, he is a moron. How can you read his illiterate sentences anyway..
March 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Hey Dell, LMN and the Tech Geek are having a lovers’ quarrel…lol.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I am utterly amazed at not only how wrong you are but also by how much you believe your own nonsense.
I don’t even know what being “oaked” is, I imagine it is some Danish tradition where you stick a piece of oak tree up your arse to see how far it will go. I say no thank you sir, please keep your Danish fetishes to yourself.
It’s people such as yourself that has brought society down the level of ignorance that exists today.
Go on, keep believing your own nonsense no matter how many people tell you differently.
“an empty can makes the most noise”
March 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
NEW POST BY JERRY. SWEET!!! FINALLY!!
March 27th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Yeah, Tech Geek stop the empty can crap & hook up the NATION with the article from #1557.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Dell,
Do you have kids? Kids love the Black Hills. You can start out in Hot Springs, go to the Mammoth Site where they have the largest collection of Mammoth bones in the world. (There was a tar pit that trapped many Columbian mammoths and at least one wooly mammoth, and some other animals like the short-faced bear.) Then you could hit the Evans Plunge, a warm water pool that gets its water from the “Hot Springs” here in Hot Springs.
Then you could hit the Badlands and see some of the most interesting land on the planet. Then you could go through Custer State Park and see the American Bison (Buffalo) and prairie dog villages. Then you could hit Wind Cave National Park and see Wind Cave, one of the World’s largest caves.
Then you could hit Custer and see the Crazy Horse Monument. Then you could hit Mt Rushmore and the 1880 train near Hill City. Then you could hit Reptile Gardens and Bear Country just Southwest of Rapid City.
Then, if you are here in August, you might hit the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally on your way to see Deadwood, made famous by the HBO hit series…Deadwood. Then you could head north to see Bear Butte near Belle Fourche and then over to Wyoming to see Devil’s Tower (made famous by the movie Close Encounters of the 3rd kind).
Fun trip. I hope the SD Tourism Board cuts me a check for this.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Einstein Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“Geek just ignore LMN, he is a moron. How can you read his illiterate sentences anyway..”
Sage advice from an intelligent person. Isn’t funny how many typos and illiterate sentences this dude writes yet he is so critical of everyone else?
Einstein, you the mang
March 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Dave casper…
lol, ive tried to post the link, but i think nbc and sport and com combined is some how banned
March 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
LMFAO “Danish Fetishes” now that is some classic shite!! LOL “I say no thank you sir” lol
If it makes you feel better, I have no idea what being “oaked” is either, not sure I want to, I don’t like the “Danish”, their pastries suck arse.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Whats up Nation
March 27th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Perhaps this way…
http://
nbcsports.msnbc
.com/id/23814644/
March 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
yeah I beat the mods, btw sorry mods =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
look again loser, still isn’t an active link
the only person you beat is yourself!
hahahahahaha
March 27th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
einstein…
try again, several POSTS later… no Jerry hasn’t upped a new ARTICLE and there isn’t a ‘NEW THREAD’…
but many new posts…
March 27th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Dakota
Great advice, yes you due sound like a tour guide.
Why don’t you be the tour guide, sounds like you know where to go and have fun.
Plus you’ll provide bodyguard protection.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
What it do, Doe.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
RaiderDell…
exactly
March 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
bodyguard protection? Dakotas body is a temple.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
socalled tech geek.
of course its not a active link, when there are 2 page break-ups.
it was the only way to post the entire link. the link Dave Casper talked about…
Lets talk football, hopefully on good terms =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
DUCK AND COVER LMN!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342371,00.html
March 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dakota…
oh I know!
believe me, we take it very serious, but heck this is a way to defend freedom of speech, but this guy does it for his own gain, is the popular thought here in DK
March 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Here is the first, third =)……
By Tom Curran
NBCSports.com
updated 4:23 p.m. ET March 26, 2008
Image: Tom Curran
Tom Curran
• E-mail
At first, it was just amusing. Step right up and take a gander at “Crazy Al’s Shopping Bonanza!”
But now it might be time to stop smirking about the Raiders moves from the past month and wonder if maybe – against all odds – they might stand a chance of being good. Or at least move away from being bad.
That’s no small feat. Al Davis’ once-proud franchise has won 19 games since appearing in the 2002 Super Bowl (or one more than the Patriots won in 2007) and better days seemed even more remote in January. That’s when the modest momentum built under new head coach Lane Kiffin in 2007 was flushed when it was learned Davis wanted Kiffin gone because Kiffin wanted to, ya know, coach the team.
The Raiders released a “there’s nothing to see here, folks” statement at the time saying there was no issue. But people know better. With Oakland, there’s always an issue. And what free-agent player would elect to be part of that?
Well, one that is paid handsomely. And that’s the strategy Oakland’s following.
Money Raiders have thrown at players with injury issues, attitude issues and light resumes has caused a few spit takes around the NFL.
Six years and $39 million with $16 mil guaranteed for former Giants safety Gibril Wilson?!
Seven years and $50 million with $18 mil guaranteed for dented-up defensive lineman Tommy Kelly?!
Six years and $55 million with $16 mil guaranteed for oft-injured and irascible wideout Javon Walker?!
Seven years and $70 million for newly acquired, sometimes-petulant corner DeAngelo Hall?!
Three years and $14 million for backsliding offensive tackle Kwame Harris?
Screwy? Well, yes and no. If you haven’t yet adjusted to the $116 million salary cap available to all teams, then yeah, it seems out of whack. But if you have realized that average to good players will now make what very, very good players did when the cap was at $85 million, the money makes a little more sense. Not total sense, mind you, but a little more.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
2/3…..
Lost in the flood of attention to the big-money moves are some of the other moves Oakland’s made. Specifically, signing free agent wide receiver Drew Carter, re-upping running back Justin Fargas and taking a flier on former first-rounder William Joseph, a massive defensive lineman who was on IR for the Giants last year. And don’t forget, they have the fourth overall pick in the draft with an opportunity to add a tremendous player on either side of the ball (DT Glenn Dorsey, anyone?).
When you look at the Raiders defense, you see a secondary that could be very good with two top-tier corners in Hall and Nnamdi Asomugha, and two talented safeties in Michael Huff and Stuart Schweigert. The secondary can only be as good as the front-seven allows it to be, however, and the number of question marks – starting with Kelly – gives pause.
Still, what’s most interesting about this offseason is that Oakland’s been able to do its business without being negatively impacted by the rancor between Kiffin and Davis. Kiffin’s been actively involved in additions on both sides of the ball this offseason. And while the defense is always Al’s, Kiffin’s fingerprints are all over the Raiders offensive decisions.
Offensively, the Raiders are not bereft of talent. They have Dominic Rhodes, Fargas, and LaMont Jordan all in the mix at running back. Tight end Zach Miller had 44 catches in his rookie season and could be the kind of crutch a young quarterback needs.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
3/3….
Which brings us to the biggest issue in Oakland, the development of second-year quarterback JaMarcus Russell. Developmentally, Russell could still be considered a rookie this year. He missed all of training camp last year and that’s where the teaching with your teammates goes on. Until he goes through his first one, he’s still raw, unproven and the elephant in the room whenever any optimism about the Raiders is broached. Incompetence at quarterback could harpoon all the moves Oakland’s made.
So how’s he coming? Hard to say. It would have been great to talk to some of the new Raiders about what made them go to Oakland (aside from the dough). Or to talk to Kiffin himself about how things have gone. But the Raiders deflected several interview requests for either players or coaches. No matter. What gets said in the offseason is normally predictable tripe. Everybody’s excited, everybody’s optimistic, can’t wait to get started, blappity, blah.
In the offseason, words don’t matter much. Making moves to get better do, however, and Oakland – surprise, surprise – has done that.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Nation, hope its okay =) sorry if not…
but as Dave Casper said, its really good. Its hard to find positive spin on raider matter =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
That article sucked. The only hack that makes sense about the Raiders is the owner of this blog.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Maybe the reason the Raiders don’t talk with the media is because the media hacks are all morons… what a novel idea…
March 27th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I can’t believe that article had “talented safety” and Schweigert in the same sentence…pitiful!
March 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Hey Einy, what’s ur prediction for our record this season?
March 27th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Quag
Good catch on that line, typical reporter who at the top lists Gabril Wilson at safety and then proceeds to name Stu at safety, real fourth grade copy.
Maybe he should read his dribble before he sends it out for copy.
It’s fun Raider bashing, and also let’s guess who there going to draft.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
quagmire…
that was a mistake that hist you in the eye, it was weird he didn’t had Wilson in that talented secondary, when he mentioned Hall, I think the sentences should have been, but a ‘mindslip’ resulted in Schweigert…
“When you look at the Raiders defense, you see a secondary that could be very good with two top-tier corners in Hall and Nnamdi Asomugha, and two talented safeties in Michael Huff and Gibril Wilson. The secondary can only be as good as the front-seven allows it to be”
….then it all makes sence =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
The relevance of the prediction is based on the time-space continuum as it pertains to the relevance of trading the 4th round pick to acquire a larger some of matter on the lines related to offense and defense.
The relevance of a prediction from pure knowledge spans the time-space continuum.
9-7, second in AFC West, Wild Card birth. We travel to Jacksonville, beat the Jags. After that the time-space continuum is null, I simply can’t see past that until the draft.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Einstein -
is LMN a media hack? The reason I ask is because he is obviously a moron.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
RaiderDell…
you beat me to it, but same thought though =)
March 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I figure McFadden is the pick, but at #4 you really can’t go wrong….whoever the pick may be will fill a need, that’s for sure.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
LMN – Thanks for the article, but I’m with Quagmire’d, when he decorates Stu as a talented Safety then he loses credibility fast. Perhaps he meant Gibril Wilson.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Tech Geek
No, he cant spell.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
LMN, I watched that video…crazy stuff…very inflammatory.
March 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
indeed LMN, indeed.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Einstein Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Tech Geek
No, he cant spell.
______________________________
You mean Can’t “Einstein”, lol.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
einstein…
good one…
I said last preseason i thought, that if we were lucky we could go 9-7… I was far off =)
but I agree I think we can fight about the division, but that we will lose those important games against; pats, Texans, Bills and Ravens
I think you’re right 9-7 sounds pretty fair =)
March 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Quag
McFadden has the required skills to extend the continuum of the greatness that is the Raiders by obtaining a 4th Lombardi.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Einy, that was a great post….very humorous. You are more optomistic than I…I was thinking the reverse, regardless of who we draft.
I hope to God I am wrong though.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Almost as funny as Stu being a talented safety. Can’t…
March 27th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
optimistic….typo
March 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Dakota Says:
Dakota Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
You mean Can’t “Einstein”, lol.
Actually temple body boy, you are even wrong. The correct spelling and grammar of your above listed sentence is also incorrect. Proper is:
You “meen” “can’t. Mean = shady character of angry nature. And you shouldn’t have capitalized the “C” in can’t.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
and it continues….if McFadden is the pick, how far into the continuum does your vision go?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
You really are dumb. “Meen”, lol.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
The continuum is infinite based on the continuance of time and space in the relevance of the optimistic matter of acquiring additional physical matter on the lines contained by Offense and Defense. The physical characteristics and strength of the matter contained in the knee of a human Javon Walker and the ability of a human named JaMarcus Russel’s ability to span pig skin filled with air through oxygen to the correct destination. That is, however, if the individual referred to as JaMarcus has the time to fling such matter into the air without finding himself laying on the earth.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
That was a joke temple body boy, give me a brake. <—
March 27th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Dude!! Come on already… Russell is the correct spelling of his last name, the individual referred to as JaMarcus.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Tardstein,
Joke? Yeah right. Are you sure you “meent” it as a joke? I “meen”, you sure would look dumb if you thought “meen” was a word, lol!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Jerry, we need a NEW blog….the natives are getting restless!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
And LOL is a word temple body boy kneeling at the alter of McFadden?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Casper
My bad. I get pissed off when people can’t spell Kiffin, I will pay better attention to the correct spelling of our starting quarterback.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Ghost to the post….Ghost to the post!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Hey Casper, is Zach the new “Ghost”?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
LOL, is a commonly accepted shorthand used on blogs Tardstein.
Should I call you Tardstein or Meenstein from now on?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
is any of the current group of receivers gonna lay claim to Timmy Brown’s #81? Tired of seeing receivers in the teens when 80’s are still available.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Dakota…
here is a long one, now you’re warned =)
I haven’t watched it, i watched some other stuff of Wilders and I think I know what the new one is about, just by reading about it.
I have several muslim friends, and jews too. They all interact pretty fine, just as I act between my other danish friends… so this ‘all muslims are evil’ it plain wrong. But the thing is how far can you push free speech? I think its right of the TV not to show stuff like this, but I still think people should say and produce the films the want to.
its a tough subject, In Germany naz1′es is banned, but not in Denmark, Hitz buth Tarihr is banned in Germany but not in Denmark… Not that we support them, the same thing about scientology, they are banned in Germany but their european headquater is in Copenhagen.
Netherland and Denmark is very similar, besides the scandinavian countries, Netherlands are the most like Denmark…
This in mind, its not that those countries are harvesting evil organizations, but more that we have a wider freedom than most.
This is why the cartoons got posted it in Denmark in the first place. The thing is that I think that the existence of so many muslims in the big cities is the main reason to why they wont attack us, because why attack a farm in the middle of nowhere?? I think that if a muslim living her heard about a attack he would tell the government, the fact is, thats what happened so far…
So the only place i’m afraid is when I cross the road on my bike when its red… =)
March 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Lol, temple body boy. You are really starting to get pissed of that I call you that aren’t you. Now you have to result to calling me names. Im telling your mom. Neener neener
March 27th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I don’t know if he is the next Casper, but I do know that I like the kid a lot.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
better than Rickey Dudley?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Courtney Anderson signed with the Bills.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
old news Downer….so did Teyo Johnson, if you care to know.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
yeah! he is better than Dudley!
Zachs job is to make us forget about great TE’s like Christensen and Casper!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Settle down Tardstein…I guess you are one of those weak-minded individuals that can dish it out, but can’t take it like a man. Chill little man, I will stop calling you Tardstein from now on.
Piece of advice though; stop trying to play with the big boys if you can’t handle it.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
C Seth McKinney, anyone?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Ha Ha Ha, that was a joke right…. Casper was a great blocker & Miller is good but the thing I like about his blocking is that he is willing to work everyday to become better & a complete TE. Which I believe Casper was and why he’s in the HOF Baby!!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
better than Ethan Horton?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Dude, I digress… I certainly can’t compete with a guy who’s body is a temple. Actually, nor would I want to.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I kinda like Ethan, give the kid sometime but potentially I would say Hell Yeah!!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
EricFarrell…
steve McKinney?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Im out folks. Late..
March 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
heard Shockey might be on the trading block…how would our offense look with him and Miller in a dual TE formation? Ooooh, weapons!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Einstein, stop trying to use big words. You keep using them incorrectly, lol. Stick to single-syllable words unless you copy and paste like some of your theoretical posts above.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I heard Shockey isn’t going anywhere.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
that’s what they say now, but never say never….especially in sports. Whose to say a draft day trade doesn’t take place? I wouldn’t completely rule it out yet…to the Raiders, I would rule out.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
LMN,
Sounds like a mess. I watched the video and I don’t think it will accomplish much. People already know about the violent tendencies of SOME branches of the Muslim religion, and to make it look like the entire religion is made up of crazies is unfair IMO.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
quag…
personally, I hate shockey, i think he is full of him self and a dumb thug! but he is good =) if he came zach would be the #2…:/
Furthermore, I think it was the Eagles and the Saints were willing to give them a 2nd or something, and NYG said no way…
The thing is, the draft is loaded with TE’s good TE’s so every logic speaks of letting him go.. but then it wil probably be his last contract he lands… so no raider…
March 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
True, true-never say never… I also rule out the RAIDERS as a player..
March 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
LMN, the Giants would be wise to take the 2nd.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Do you think Shockey and a 2nd round pick gets the Giants back into the 1st round?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Dakota…
lol about einstein… he has said there would be a new article all day, I haven’t seen it yet =)
furthermore he calls it new post from jerry LOL hilarious, his mate the tech geek doesn’t ip from if or MAC from mac.. and he is a geek? HAHA, well they are like my friend EBR, all he does here is talking smack about me, no football talk at all, why the H do they do here, Einstein though, he talkd some football, I got to admit that, but he couldn’t handle my grammar mistakes, and then he falls deep inyour trap LOL
He just got Oaked!
March 27th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
“oaked” is derived from what?
March 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
How long is the list of people that despise you MR. LMN know it all? All I can say is wow!
Quag -
To get “Oaked” is a Danish tradition that calls for the youngest man in the family to take a large stick from an oak tree and stick it in his arse. I guess it’s considered some sort of rite of passage. Sounds so wrong to me. But it’s true, read about it on Wikipedia…
March 27th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
LMN,
Maybe he didn’t understand that you are from Denmark and English is not your first language. I think you do just fine given that fact. Heck, you spell better than some of the other posters in here, lol.
I ain’t no English major meeself if ya now what I meen, lol. (sarcasm)
March 27th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
quag…
I cant remember who said it, but after Maddenraider got unveiled for what he was by Oakglenn, some said..
“you got oaked!”
it was pretty fun..
so when I showed what ignorance the tech geek had, I couldn’t help my self, “he got Oaked” =)
March 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Dakota…
good one =)
March 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Tech, that ish was friggin’ hilarious.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Muahahhaha…
Elam went to Atlanta, and then Bonkos made and offer for Olindo Mare, he just signed with Seahawks Muhahahhaa
this is goood =)
LOL
March 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
later
March 27th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
—”Seahawks signed K Olindo Mare. The Broncos made Mare an offer on Wednesday, but were apparently outbid by the Seahawks, who signed Mare to a two-year deal worth $3.5 million. Mare has been brutal for the past two seasons, and Seattle will likely draft someone to compete with him. Mar. 27 – 7:19 p.m. ET”—
March 27th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
alameda,
i don’t buy the Gholston overrated statement. If we pass on him then watch how well the beast does when the JETS or PATS draft him. That would be no good.
I compare Gholston to DWare/Merriman/J Taylor/Patrick Willis….I think he that type of player. If they want Ellis then the old man needs to trade DOWN with the Jets or Baltimore!
March 27th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
yeah i’m outta here, gotta go my round, so to speak =)
March 27th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
alameda,
I think the smart move would be pick a replacement for burgess….which is Gholston….and let Kelley be more of a full time DT….then they can would have a nice versatile rotation with Burgess, Richardson at the set DE positions…..Kelley DT/DE on some downs…Gholston..DE/OLB elephant in the 3-4 packages….and then you have a DT rotation of Warren,Sands,Kelley and Joseph…Shaw and Hawthorne fight to make the team.
I heard we can get a 5th rounder if Shaw signs with someonelse. They should let him sign somewhere else to get the pick if true.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
good lookin Quag!
March 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
it’s c.long or mcfadden and maybe in the third let’s
get bruce davis’s kid. and let’s all stop talking
so much shit. be raider lover not a raider hater
my blood will alway’s be silver
and black
March 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Good article on Gholston……
*6-4, 262 lbs
*4.56 forty yard dash
*455 lb bench press and also squatting 405 lbs…20times!
*37 reps at 225 lbs
*42 in. vertical jump
At his height and weight, those numbers are staggering. All of those are better than Chris Long’s numbers.
Remember now, Burgess always lines up against the opposing teams right tackle, which means he isn’t coming from the quarterbacks blind spot, he’s coming head on. With Gholston coming off of the opposite edge, it creates a death-trap bookend. Especially with the corners locked on so the line can force numerous “coverage sacks”.
For those of you with concern to the run defense, I’ve already got this covered (pun intended). Nnamdi Asomugha and DeAngelo Hall can cover wide-outs securely. Anyone who has questions about Hall’s ability or coverage wasn’t thinking about 2008. In 2008, Asomugha will cover the opposing teams “number one” receiver. Which in some cases, was what Hall had problems with. Now Hall only has to cover the “number two” receiver. I know he can do that. What does this have to do with the run defense might you ask?
With the corners locked down and Huff returning to his true position, this gives the Raiders the ability to put eight men in the box. Gibril Wilson will be that enforcer we were lacking. With Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard stepping up their game each year, eight men in the box should keep runners under 100 yards each game.
It’s all about gap control. Vernon Gholston is a very good run stuffing defensive end. With his athleticism, it will be hard for opposing teams to double team anyone on our line. With a front four consisting of Burgess, Sands, Kelly, and Gholston, it will be tough for anyone to pinpoint a weak spot to double team, keep in mind that having to double team anyone on the front four lets our linebackers have “free range” to roam the field, especially the backfield. Those eight men in the box will get the job done.
Vernon Gholston posseses the speed and power to go against the games best offensive lineman: left tackles. No one else in the draft has that ability to dominate from that position like he does, and that just might be the missing piece to propel our defense back to the days where people will not want to have the football in their hands on offense.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
What is the over/under on what time, this knitting session, hits 2000.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Kirksays,
Glad someone else in here as the same vision on how effective and valuable a player like gholston will be to defense and our whole team in general.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Looks like we are going for 2000. If we get Gholston, on passing downs we could have Burgess, Warren, Kelly, and Gholston along the D line. That would be a pretty formative pass rush.
March 27th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
expect a breakout year from sands this year
March 28th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Calling on the NATION to represent on Bleacher.com
http://bleacherreport.com/sections/Oakland%20Raiders
This site rocks and the Raider Nation lives.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Good article on raiders and Darren Mcfadden
http://bigbenlivingroom.blogspot.com/
June 17th, 2009 at 7:44 am
[...] http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/03/24/wests-best-offseason/ [...]