West’s best offseason
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 24th, 2008 at 5:36 pm in Oakland Raiders.
You want good news?
The Raiders have had the best offseason of any team in the AFC West.
RAIDERS POLL: Rate the DeAngelo Hall trade
There. That wasn’t so hard.
Of course, the Raiders are the only team that has done anything of note in the division, so bringing in DeAngelo Hall, Javon Walker, Gibril Wilson and even Kwame Harris and Drew Carter makes it a veritable landslide no matter what you think of how much they paid.
The losses _ wide receiver Jerry Porter, defensive end Chris Clemons, defensive lineman Tyler Brayton and quarteback Josh McCown _ were more than offset by the gains. They also managed to bring back Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes and Tommy Kelly, and the first two came at extremely reasonable prices.
Division play happened to be one of Oakland’s best areas of progress last season. Until faced with the murderer’s row final four of Green Bay, Indianapolis, Jacksonville and San Diego, Oakland’s back-to-back wins over the Chiefs and Broncos were one of the most positive developments of the past few seasons.
The Broncos have signed LB Boss Bailey, WR Keary Colbert, LB Niko Koutovides, S Marquand Manuel, S Marlon McCree, RB Cecil Sapp and C Casey Wiegmann.
Wiegmann has been a solid center for a long time _ possibly too long. Bailey never seemed to realize his ability in Detroit. Colbert is a No. 2 receiver at best.
The Broncos wanted no part of Walker, deciding the $5.4 bonus was too much for an unhappy player with a history of knee trouble. That risk was assumed by the Raiders at a much higher price. Denver might have second thoughts if Walker regains his form, because Brandon Marshall, the talented receiver who replaced him, has a serious right arm injury sustained in a mysterious accident.
Losing kicker Jason Elam will cost them a game. Based on recent history, it could come against Oakland.
San Diego remains the top team in the division, but they’re only significant addition is linebacker Derrick Smith, a solid if slow linebacker the 49ers didn’t want who could fit nicely as an inside linebacker. Gone is Michael Turner, a valuable No. 2 running back behind LaDainian Tomlinson.
More important to Tomlinson, fullback Lorenzo Neal was released. Count on Tomlinson to lobby hard to bring back his body guard.
As for the Chiefs, who look to be the worst team in the division by a considerable margin, they re-signed punter Dustin Colquitt, and have done little else.
Searching for QBs
Not surprising Quinn Gray signed with someone other than the Raiders. He has aspirations of being a No. 1 quarterback and JaMarcus Russell’s future begins in earnest this season. He’s got a better chance of beating out Sage Rosenfels and Matt Schaub.
But it leaves the Raiders in search of another quarterback to go with Russell and Andrew Walter. According to the Fresno Bee, Trent Dilfer has been contacted.
If that’s the case, he may be better suited as No. 3 and a mentor, because frankly, I’d take my chances with Walter if Russell went down.
Bad day across the bay
I was pretty dismissive of tampering charges in general a few weeks back after getting an up close look at it going right out in the open at the NFL scouting combine.
It’s bad enough that the 49ers got caught tampering. It’s even worse that they got caught tampering with a player they didn’t even get. Lance Briggs is still with the Chicago Bears.
Profootballtalk.com believes it’s the first enforced tampering charge since the Miami Dolphins lost a first-round pick when it hired Don Shula away from the Baltimore Colts 38 years ago.
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March 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
NO!
March 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
uno
March 24th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Todd Carter? You mean Drew Carter?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
We need a run stopping DE
March 24th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
We need 10 wins and a division win.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
What happened to Brandon Marshall was that he punched his flat screen after witnessing what contract was awarded to buddy, Javon Walker.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Niners and New England both caught cheating. Damn Al is good
March 24th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Marshall wanted to be a Raider and was jealous that he had to stay with the Broncos while Javon got rewarded. Carter is very similiar in talent to Marshall isn’t he?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Ice Cream sounds SO GOOD!!! Baskin Robbins is got some killer shakes.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
As much as I hate the Broncos…in fact they are the team I hate most in our division, Brandon is a stud WR and I knew it since day one. The question is how will he produce without a legititmate WR on the other side? My guess is his production will drop.
BTW, I hate Philip Rivers more than the Broncos and Chargers combined…the guy is an a$%
He basically tried the entire Black Hole in our last home game.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Huff24
You’ve convinced me. I say draft the naked cheerleader.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
M.I.A. – No worries. Rivers will be exposed by our secondary. No question about it.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
haha.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Cant wait
March 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Huff when you get a chance I need your Fantasy expertise….
March 24th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
WTF – Think about it. How could the naked Cheerleader NOT stop the run? LT would be running around the corner and see her and his whole focus would be taken away. It would be like another defender who could do all the distractions for our team.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
A naked cheerleader could probably tackle better than sweigert, then again who wouldn’t be tackled by a naked cheerleader.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
My fantasy expertise? What makes you think I’m an expert? haha. What do you need to know?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
True.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
**Breaking News** At the wake of Brandon Marshall slipping on a McDondals bag, Al Davis pulled the trigger on another addition to the silver and black and hired the McBurglar from McDonalds as his new Defensive Coordinator.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
From the forums, to the ESPN writers, the Raider haiters are out in full force. Whether it be someone reporting that Jamarcus Russell is 300 lbs, or the forums questioning where Al is getting his money, its easy to see that everyone still hates the Raiders.
Bottom line, hate all u want. On paper, the Raiders have upgraded there team through Free Agency and might do it as well with the 4th pick in the draft next month. Regardless of how much was spent or not spent, each signing has upgraded positions within there team. Isn’t that a goal in the offseason ? For every team?
Go ahead, tell us Jamarcus is 300 pds. We’ll see it come May ( mini-camp).
Tell us Deangelo Hall is overrated. Fine, overrated or not, he’s an upgrade over Washington and Routt regardless. Great pickup and you upgraded your secondary. Who wants to throw at Aso and Hall ?
Gibril Wilson – Best Safety in Free Agency. Again, an upgrade over a guy like Schweigert by a long shot. Again, great pickup. Probably there best of the offseason considering there lack of safety all these years.
Javon Walker – One of the best WR’s available in Free Agency. Don’t think so ? Then why were there 10 teams vying for his services ? But once he hits the Raiders, uhh ohh, its a bad pickup. Again, an upgrade over Jerry Porter. Porter left, they needed some more Wide Outs and they accomplished there goal.
Drew Carter – With Walker and Curry in the Mix, you have a deep threat in Walker and a possesion guy in Curry. Add in Carter who adds to the deep post threat as your #3 and boom, again, an upgrade. No, he’s not a pro bowl caliber upgrade, but nonetheless, an upgrade and fills a need.
Kwame Harris – With Barry Sims gone, you got his replacement. Yeah, tell us Kwame is a bum and swiss cheese. Just don’t say it around Frank Gore, he might tell ya different.
Tommy Kelly – Resigning your own player never hurts. Especially when the player is still young and in his prime. Especially when your down at the DT position. Still rumbling about his contract ? ” Kelly has more skill and will have a better career than I did ” — Warren Sapp … First ballot hall of famer. “Tommy Kelly will be an absolute monster once he fully realizes his talents and abilities.” –Ed Jasper hmmm, maybe Kelly’s underpaid ?
All in all the Raiders have upgraded there defense. One of the worst in the league last year. But as the saying goes, ” theres always next year “. So far, the Raiders are the ones preparing for next year.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Great one WTF…great one.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Hah. I thought the McBurglar was sharing the same cell as Michael Vick? I mean…they wear the same clothes.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Well Done G-Raider.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I like McDonalds…
March 24th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
The thing I dont like about Fantasy Football is sometimes you get players from teams you hate. My brother was cheering for the chefs cause he had gonzalez, I couldn’t do it.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
M.I.A. Raiders, I was there for the game.. On TV they only showed the part on the field. He acted like a little brat on the bench too… Taunting the Away Sections.
Finally got to uploading some pictures I took at that Game including Sapps last stomps on our side of the field.
http://picasaweb.google.com/thirdwisher
There was a lady sitting next to me with an “I Love You SAPP” sign and he noticed it, and point at her:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ThirdWishER/RaidersVsChargersAtOakland/photo#5181039924249119458
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Dakota – Do you like McDonalds or does McDonalds like you?
March 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Tell me about it. I have LT and Marshall. Ouch. But when it comes to fantasy, there is no preference only production. Won a PS3 last year for taking home the trophy but I am in salary cap hell. Its a keeper league.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Direct link to the pictures of Raiders vs Chargers: http://picasaweb.google.com/ThirdWishER/RaidersVsChargersAtOakland
Also got some Raiderettes in the shots.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I think I won my last 2 Fantasy leagues because of free agency. The draft screws you alot of times and you have to be on top of the free agency list and find out whos producing and thats normally how you win. Its just managing players who are up and coming and dealing with the constant injury factor. You can also play on luck. Last year I draft Drew Brees as my #1 QB. I drafted Tony Romo as my #2. Brees sucked and Romo was ranked #2 behind Manning so I flourished. Players do this all the time in fantasy.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Fortunately we do not have a McDonalds in our small humble town.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Brady was my QB all year…bitter sweet because I won the league.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
That is why im stuck. I am maxed out on salary and know who valuable it is to pick up free agents.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
RaiderMight – Good stuff.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I have never played a keeper league so I wouldn’t know where to begin. I play brand new teams each year and I play everything by ear. I couldn’t possibly predict anything right now.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
M.I.A – What does your roster look like? The other posters can just overlook the FFL talk for a few moments, I’m willing to help if I can.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
http://football30.myfantasyleague.com/2008/options?L=24911&O=07
am in my second year in a 12 man keeper league. I took the trophy home last year but with that my players jumped up in price and I am strapped in salary cap hell! The limit is $29 and I have no defense with $1.50 available. Long story short I need to make a trade probably one of my WR for lower cost RB for salary room and RB depth. This league is INTENSE!
I have had 2 trade offers so far…they are:
1.
Giving up: Wes Welker
For: 3rd Pick overall in 1st round, 3rd pick in 2nd Round, Oakland Defense and Devin Hester.
2.
Giving up: Brandon Marshall and my first (12th overall)
For: Rudi Johnson, Laverneus Coles and Jerious Norwood
March 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
PFT.com
HALL’S REAL DEAL? SEVEN YEARS, $66 MILLION
Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2008, 9:09 p.m.
The real numbers are in on the contract signed last week by Raiders cornerback DeAngelo Hall. And just like last year, when the $10 million annual average in the deal signed by cornerback Nate Clements was exposed to be worth in reality a bit over $9 million per year because the eighth year with a base salary of $16 million was literally phony, Hall’s deal has a base value of less than eight figures a season.
A league source tells us that the deal is actually worth only (only?) $66.28 million over seven years. And that works out to a yearly average of $9.467 million, less than the $9.5 million annual average of the deal signed by cornerback Asante Samuel with the Eagles.
The other $3.71 million comes from escalators tied to playing time. Hall might eventually earn those amounts, but they don’t kick in until year five, driving up the annual salaries in the out years of the deals and, as a practical matter, making it more likely that the team will opt to terminate the arrangement after four or five seasons.
Hall’s deal pays out $28.927 million over three years, $34.882 million over four, $43.126 million over five, and $53.659 over six.
The last year has a base salary of more than $12.6 million. Of course, if the salaries continue to skyrocket, $12.6 million could look like a reasonable deal come 2014.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Carefull Jerry, saying something nice about the Raiders could mean you are a closet fan. We still need a franchise LT, you know the kind that can pass block also, so trade down, trade down.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I told you Jerry a team isn’t going to make a formal charge unless they have sound evidence to that fact.
nice to see you at least admit to a degree that you were wrong for a change.
Also Jerry we as real Raider fans aren’t looking for a shill what we want is fair and objective opinions and reporting. We are more aware than you are that we’ve been at the bottom and bad decision have been made and what it will take to get things turned around.
I know it was a joke but, as you said it wasn’t as bad as you thought to be objective. No need of resusitation, see you’re just fine.
BTW thanks for a change.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
NOT SURPRISED!
An Ex niner get’s in trouble with the law (Cedrick Wilson)and the niners loose a draft pick because they have no idea what tampering is. Denver get’s a WR hurt from slipping on a cheeseburger wrapper!!!! Where are these stories and the writers that release these stories on here? and who says bay area writers aren’t biased?
March 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Jerry – props to a fine article.
Its a real breath of fresh air; keep up the good work!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Picking up on an earlier comment on the last thread, in case anyone cares….
Marshall Faulk included the Raiders in his ‘’sweet 16” of NFL teams for 08.
Basically he mentioned the Raiders and their offseason moves and Rich Eisen said: you know the top 12 teams make the playoffs, are you saying the Raiders will be fighting for the playoffs? and Faulk said: yes, if they can block for Russell they should be right behind the Chargers……not word by word but close enough.
I´m a harsh critic of the media and I´m the first to acknowledge that Faulk´s comments are just an opinion, but it´s refreshing to see someone actually come up with their own thoughts instead of just repeating the exact same rehearsed piece.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Careful there with the Fanatsy advice…don´t wanna give up your sleepers.
Remember, the plan is to start a league in one of the public sites for the people of this blog.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Great Idea Bob Marley!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
One pick in the first 3 rounds???
Bueler? Bueler? Anybody??? Is this really true??
March 24th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
MIA
Yeah, when the time comes we´ll discuss the details in here and see how many people are interested.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
MIA – My bad man, left you hanging for a moment. Had to take a work call. Anyway, option one is a great option and you have the right idea of dropping a WR for a lower priced RB. Let’s pick this back up during the season and I’ll give you my best RB that is probably being overlooked. Justin Fargas, Ryan Grant, Derick Ward, Kenny Watson…all of these guys are a good example of who you can grab before their value jumps. If you can get K.Watson now I would do it but I doubt he’s available and his value is probably too high. Sorry for the late response.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Btw Jerry, Thank you very much for some positive notes. Our team has been kicked while down oh too much in the past 5 years, while we understand you have no faith, that’s all we have left. We don’t want to look back, we just hope the future holds something better.
Thanks again for the positive notes.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
The raiders have had a solid offseason. The best move is the one that did not happen: not firing Kiffin and building on what was done last season.
The defense is one pash rusher away from being among the premier unit’s in the league.
Ultimately the offense has to be able to score to play to the strengths of the defense: defending the pass and minimizing the weakness which is that it is an undersized unit.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Yes it was great to hear Falk say the Raiders got snubbed for not being included in the NFL Network’s “Sweet 16″. He really likes what we have done in Free Agency and believes we are a playoff team if we can protect Russell and do some tackling. Let’s get the O-Line and D-Line fixed!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
By the way, on the Brando Marshall incident…
Take a look at Marshall´s history and tell me that you bought the McDonalds bag story or his newest version ”wrestling with a family member”.
- Marshall has had anger management-related issues and incidents. On March 26, 2007, he was arrested in the Highlands Ranch suburb of Denver on suspicion of domestic violence.
- Marshall also experienced legal run-ins while a student at UCF. Marshall was arrested in Orlando on charges of assault on a law enforcement officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct, and resisting an officer.
- On January 1, 2007, Marshall was present at “The Shelter,” a downtown Denver nightclub, along with teammates Javon Walker and Darrent Williams. As the players were leaving the club, Williams was fatally shot in the neck by an unknown assailant.
Walker has stated in interviews that the shooter was likely a nightclub patron whose motive was retaliation after being involved in an altercation with Marshall earlier that night.
- In the early morning of October 22, 2007, Marshall was arrested in the Denver Metro area at the intersection of 14th St. and Blake St. for driving under the influence of alcohol.
Come on.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Brandon marshall is out three months for wrestling with his family in Florida and having his arm go through a TV. He had a torn artery and lacerated tendon. He wont be able to rehabilitate until training camp.
The Bronco’s are in major trouble this season. I think this will be Coach Shananigans last season. He used his last life line with the firing of his GM. Eventually everybody is accountable fot their decisions, and he has made a lot of bad ones recently in Denver.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Bob great post marshall has always been a charecter risk. Shananigans has loaded his roster with these sort of players over the past couple of years: marshall, Kircus, Marcus Thomas, Dre Bly, Travis Henry, Jarvis Moss,…etc. His moment of truth is now, and he is going down after a 3rd straight year of missing the playoffs.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
If we sweep Denver you can pretty much count him out.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Wasn’t there also an enforced tampering charge against the Patriots when they hired Belichick away from the Jets, or something?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
major nerve damage in marshall’s arm is sure to have an effect on his play, especially getting release and breaking tackles, and blocking, which happen to be just about everthing he’s good at, add that to the fact that they no longer have walker and their aging OL is falling apart, and the fact that cutler now has to deal with hall, asomugha, wilson, and huff, i don’t see the donkeys scoring too many points on us
March 24th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
San Fran Whiners and the Denver Buncos. Karma is a hideous bitch goddess, huh?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
KC has a major rebuilding effort on offense, so that leaves Oakland and San Diego to fight for the division this season. San Diego has more pieces in place, and the raiders have more question marks, but Russell is the difference maker. If Russell is the real deal, the Raiders can make the run this year in the AFC west. He has to be able to manage the game and play well in the 4th qaurter. If he can do that the Raiders will win the west. The run game and the defense will give him plenty of cushion. He just has to be worthy of the NO. 1 pick and live up to expectations.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
The Niners are idiots. nolan has to be the stupidest coach in the NFL. Why was he calling about a player that had signed a frachise tender. If a deal is not reached by mid july, those players can not work out a deal for the rest of the season that they under the tag. They have to play out the contract and go into the offseason as a FA with the option of being franchised again.
My point is that SF could not have traded before him because he was going to be a FA either way. So they lost a 5th round pick and 5 spots in the 3rd round for inquiring on a player that they would have never traded for in the first place. Why that retard still has a job is amazing. I feel bad for niner fans when it comes to their management. Say what you want about Al, but he would fired that idiot way before he cost his team draft picks: probably after year one when he trotted Nedney out into that hurricane to kick a 70 yard field goal that got returned by Vasher for the go ahead score. Then he blamed the kicker for saying he could make the kick.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I don’t even see KC rebuilding their offense. Herm Edwards always seems to forget about the offense as he only focuses on the defense.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Dick V, and don’t forget the Chargers only have a lst a 4th and like a 6th in this years draft. So, hopefully they’re stocked up. Personally, I think everyone in Charger land thinks they are still on their way up, I think they’ve peaked, and they are on the way down. Hard.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Dick V, and let’s not forget Nolan utter bungling of his overall #1 draft choice QB. Compared to them, we are the model of consistency and efficiency. Some times when the SF press takes a look at their team, they have to unload on the Raiders. It’s the only way they can stay sane.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
agreed oakglenn, of course, they were in the AFC title last year, so the next step would be the SB, and they’ve never won that and probably never will, at least no time soon, so it’s pretty obvious the only way they have to go is down, losing lorenzo neal is going to hurt them hard, LT will have less blocking and be without a legit backup, the dolts run game will suffer significantly, and by extension put extra stress on a young QB who is coming off a significant injury(as are both of his top offensive weapons in LT and gates), oh, and he will be throwing on a limp to injured targets against the best secondary in the NFL, their D is great, when it comes to rushing the QB, but j.williams is on his last leg and they have alot to be desired at MLB, and have no Ss, the middle of their D is extremely vulnerable and it just o happens that will be the area we will attack, and expose, most, we have a very real shot at winning the division next year, if russell has the kind of year we’re all expecting then this could be a very good year
March 24th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
# RadRaider Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Niners and New England both caught cheating. Damn Al is good
……….
Sure. New England and San Francisco are just riddled with envy of us, right now. Considering their current respective downfalls, neither of them would trade places with the Raiders.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Jerry, nice way to appease the natives. Customer’s always right, huh? But you know what? I still think you’re a great reporter. And that’s as far as my criticism goes. I’m not going to bitch ad nauseam when you post something I disagree with…like some people.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Tommy I agree. Going 14-2 and then 11-6 to me is not going in the right direction. That’s a pretty good drop off. Yeah, change of coaches, yada, yada, whatever. I feel the exact same way about Lo Neal. Losing LO is gonna hurt. Charger doesn’t think so. I think so. My feeling is exactly in line with yours. Their best players on offense, LT and defense jamal Williams look like they’re leaking oil. Jamal is leaking oil badly. There is also something wrong with LT. He is not happy about something. Quietly, some of the long time Charger insiders confided in me that they thought Phillip Rivers was a “puss” in their words. Now, maybe that AFC Championship game changed their opinion. We’ll see. Personally, I think their best days are behind them.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
TT, what’s your opinion of Jam? I don’t think I’ve heard it.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Good evening there, Oakglenn.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
DeAngelo Hall is from Virginia and the local paper here did an interview with him. I thought you guys might be interested. Here it is……..
“When you say it, it does seem like a lot – seven (years) for $70 million. But I mean, the numbers are things you never really worry about. You fight for them when you’re in negotiations and you see what other guys are getting and you know you’re better than that guy, and you want more than him. But once it gets done and it’s time to play football that’s what it is, it’s time to play football.
I’m just relieved, happy to be out of a bad situation in Atlanta. A situation that wasn’t the right fit for me. I’m happy to go to Oakland where I’m wanted, to team up with (cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha), create a great secondary.
I think you can argue me and Nnamdi will probably be the two best corners ever to team up, side by side. We obviously haven’t done it yet together, but we’re both in the prime of our careers. I’m a Pro Bowl player, he’s a Pro Bowl player. It’s just going to be great to have another guy alongside me that I feel confident can hold his own weight. I don’t have to worry about teams avoiding me, because they can’t avoid both of us.
One day (Raiders owner) Al Davis and I talked contract and football for 4-1/2, 5 hours. When I came out the coaches were like, “Wow, you were in there with him all that time?” I was like, “Yeah, man, but it was fun.” He’s a football man, I’m a football man. I don’t think at any one position a player of greatness hasn’t played for him. He has a well of knowledge and I’m dying to pick his brain and learn about the business, the football side and the non-football side.
Asante Samuel, Nate Clements, those are definitely deals I looked at. But those guys are 27, 28 years old. They’re not gonna see the back end of their deals. I wanted to make sure I would be able to see the back end of mine. I didn’t want to load it with a bunch of fake numbers. I think my agents knew that coming up on my last year of my deal I’d be 30 years old. I’ve seen guys get new contracts at 32, 33. I definitely plan on playing out all the years of my contract in Oakland and getting another one in Oakland. I wanted my contract to be as realistic as possible and be able to earn every penny.
Oakland never asked me one single question about (problems in Atlanta). I think a lot of teams raised that question, especially Washington; they were a little bit leery about bringing me out there, because of all that stuff. But I repeatedly told teams, I went over the incident, how it happened, why it occurred, the lack of respect Bobby Petrino had for his players. That was evident in him picking up and just leaving in Week 13. Anybody with common sense would see the kind of person Bobby Petrino was and check my track record and background and know that I’ve never been in trouble or had problems with anybody and would brush it off. That’s what Oakland did.
Around the league, I think there’s a consensus that I’m not a bad guy. I’m a very passionate guy, I’m a very emotional player. That’s what makes me great. I’m not T.O. I’m not a Randy Moss. I’m not one of those guys you’re always reading about. I’m a guy who had one incident one time and that was that. Was it handled the wrong way? Of course, yes it was. I’ve admitted that several times. At the same time, I’m entitled to make a mistake. I’m 24 years old. So I’m relatively young in this game and have a lot to learn. With time and work and patience, I’ll one day be one of those Oakland Raiders going into the Hall of Fame.”
March 24th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Rivers is an out-of-control moron. He will have a meltdown just like Leaf did.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Have you saw Chris Carr”s comment’s after visiting the Bill”s
“Personally I want to get out of Oakland,” said Carr. “I just want a change and a shot to go somewhere else and prove I’m a starting corner or starting nickel back.
well I say dont let the door hit u in th a %%,not like we dont have better db’s and can find some better for kick returns
March 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Hall said everything right except his closing statement should have ended with an…”I’m In”.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Who else was available in the Alex Smith year?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Assassin, you’re right about the last game in Oakland. he was pretty pissed. I actually was right behind the Discharger sideline for that game with some Discharge people. Even Jamie Lee and Brittany Spears think Rivers is Trailer Trash.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Oakglenn, what is “trailer trash”?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Whoa, now that’s saying something. What was he pissed about?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
i’m still here, i don’t know about you but i’d glady trade a 4-12 team that is far more talented than their record and is on their way up with a chance to go to the playoffs for an 18-1 team that was one play away from being universally considered the best team in NFL history and who still has by far the best team in the NFL and who is all but a lock to win the SB, i would gladly trade situations with NE(as long as it says raiders on that helmet), but the whiners may be in the worst situation in all of the NFL; while we are in a good situation going into next season, i stop far short of placing us next to, or ahead, of the best team in the NFL
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
The fact that I told him Jamie Lee and Brittany thought HE was trailer trash. he didn’t like that. The Raider fans behind the bench did tho!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Thanks for the info Midwest.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
tommy that is guess who??? Don’t engage the idiot. She’s been banned now twice here. She’s been banned off other sites, yet she thinks she’s being cute. Don’t answer.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
TT, spoken like a true die hard fan.
But believe you me, there isn’t one single person in the Patriots or 49ers organization, from the owner to the freaking towel boy, saying to themselves, “I wish we were the Raiders”.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Everyone in here Warrior Fans? Am I the only Laker Fan? I hate Rivers, he is such a punk.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Oakglenn, is DeAngelo Hall “trailer trash”?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Carr has some ability. He actually played fairly well for us, all things considered. See ya.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
W’s dude.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Oakglenn, somebody who lives in a trailer could take offense to what you said, email Jerry a hundred or so times, and get you banned. See how this works?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
the whiners would gladly trade places with us, we’re on our way to a possible playoff bid while their on the verge of a top 3 pick next year and regaining the worst record in the nfl over the last few years title, everyone wishes they were the pats over the last decade, the pats and whiners are so opposite that using them in the same argument, by comaring them rather than contrasting them, is moronic, like you
why are you still here?
this has become sad
March 24th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
lakers
March 24th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Thats a nice read he sounds like a real decent guy to me.
Some of you guys say Al lost it or Al has dementia, Al is senile, etc etc and then a guy like D Hall spends 5 hours with him and comes away thoroughly impressed, funny.
Go W’s
March 24th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I really don’t want to discuss the NBA on this site, I REALLY don’t like the Flakes, but, boy do you admire their ball movement.
Tommy, I would say more pathetic than sad.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
and oakglenn, i personally believe JR will retire with the likes of brady, manning, favre, marino, and montana, he has the most outstanding physical abbilities ever to be accompanied by superb passing skills, and he is in a good situation to succeed, he will be great, he should have and average-to-good year this year with next year being a major break out year that sends him to the pro bowl
March 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Kirk….Thanks nice article…Great to hear Hall come across the way he did…optimistic but still realistic… nothing wrong with that.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Thanks for the write up Jerry, and that is a good assessment.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
this game is going alot like last night, lets hope we can get some post production before the late 3rd, if we can put some defensive pressure on GS earlier than last night we will win
March 24th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Go Lakers.
I’d like to compare us to the young Dallas Cowboys with Jimmy & Jerry. Hell, I don’t even understand why the media doesn’t slam the Cowboys and Jerry Jones like they do Al. If Al drafted Quincy Carter he would’ve been roasted up & down.
They went 1-15 in their first year, 7-9 in second, 11-5 in their 3rd, and 13-3 their 4th and the Super Bowl and won again in their 5th year.
Kiffin’s first year he starts to overhaul the roster. After one full year there are barely any of the same starters from the ‘06 team still on this squad and we win 4 games.
Kiffin’s second year should have us at the .500 mark or better.
The third year we should make the playoffs and by the fourth year we should be one of the best teams in the NFL.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Tommy, again, I completely agree. If this guy spends time in the film room, instead of at the dogfights, he is going to be really something special. it’s up to him. But, right now, he only has interest in film, not dogfights. That will probably continue, so……
March 24th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Again, trying to stay away from basketball talk, you’re going to see why I am NOT a big Don Nelson guy. What did LA outscore the W’s what 38-12 in the 3rd last nite???? Nice adjustments coach.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Spurs
March 24th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Sorry Laker fans…
I’m a TX Raider fan…:D
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Did I kill the board?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
dsm, i like the comparison between fast lane and johnson, see some similaritie, but more importantly i see similarities in the teams…
we were 4-12 this year(not 1-15)
we will be 9-7 to 10-6 next year(not 7-9)
we should be about 11-5 or 12-4 by the 3rd year(and kiff will have much more than 3)
and we should be legitimately competing for titles by the 4th
March 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Hey as long as you’re a Raider fan, K-Rock. Nice ending to the half!! Now, let’s see Nelsons adjustments, and how quickly he gives up an 11 point 3rd quarter lead.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Kobe better wake the eff up!!! I like the W’s, but I am a die – hard Laker fan!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Wishful thinking trojan i hope you’re right.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Lakers have the Chokers right where they want them.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
come on fellas this a football blog.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
kiss off 23
March 24th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
I like basketball to but im here to talk some raiders stuff
March 24th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
whatever dakota
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
hopefully we can have a 3rd similar to last night, if that happens, look for GS to lose, but seriously…we are going to get gasol back this week, and bynum in about two weeks, so this team will be very scary very soon…
and oakglenn you’re right, i don’t care if you were born and raised in iraq, as long as you’re a raider fan(and not killing people) you’re alright by me, now, if you’re a raider fan born and raised in the U.S., i guess i could live with you killing a few people……
March 24th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
It’s not like we are talking nascar for god’s sake, chill out.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I’ll agree with you there
March 24th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
sorry 23, but everyone here is eaither a GS or laker fan, alot of banter always goes back and forth and this is a big game….so we can still talk FB, but you’re going to have to live with a little BB talk tonight
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
DSM, that IS an interesting analogy between the current Raiders and the Jimmy Johnson Dallas Cowboys. Also, JJ had the overall number one pick, which he spent on Troy Aikman. Boy, Dallas fans were really questioning that about half way thru his first season. But hey, he’s on the ring of honor now. Hopefully we will have such a good return on our overall #1. BTW, the Dallas Cowboys have not won a playoff game since 1996. Thirteen years. HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
What happened to Florida Pete, he talked some tennis…something about female Russian players???
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Alright i guess i have to roll with the lakers then
March 24th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
That’s what I am talking about 23! LAKERS RULE!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
we still have more playoff wins in the last 6 years than the the cowgirls have in the last 12, any way you slice it the girls deserve alot more shit, but they’re BSPN’s team, so you’ll never hear a word against them…..until you talk to anyone who doesn’t work for BSPN, and then you realize that they’re just as universally hated as we are, if not more…
March 24th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
In order I hate the:
Broncos
Chiefs
Patriots
Cowgirls
The rest I am just indifferent about.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Im from PA and though i keep it to myself do to the fact i would be labeled as a bandwagon jumper i have always rooted for the Lakers and of course the best player in the league Kobe.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Raiders23, RR is a a horses rear-end!
There, are we done talking football now?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
In order I hate:
Broncos
Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
March 24th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
It is hard to hate the Charges because they were nothing more than doormats for so many years that I have never built up a hatred for them. A couple more years of them sweeping us and they will be placed on the list.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
RR?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Say Mista, I can see you’ve lightened up on Ryan a bit!
March 24th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
There will be no more sweeping us
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
“we’re on our way to a possible playoff bid”
Possible? Well, you shot from the hip there, didn’t you?
Just so you know; Every team in the league is on their way to a ‘possible playoff bid’.
“while their”
It’s spelled, ‘They’re’, in the context in which you’re using it, Mr. USC. I actually like the school, so stop making them look bad.
“on the verge of a top 3 pick next year and regaining the worst record in the nfl over the last few years title,”
…regaining that title from whom?
” everyone wishes they were the pats over the last decade, the pats and whiners are so opposite that using them in the same argument, by comaring them rather than contrasting them, is moronic, like you”
Well, first off, I was only lumping the two organizations together in the context that neither of them want to be the Raiders, and that was it. I didn’t lump them together in any other way.
Now, regarding your calling me a moron; Remember, I’m not the one who’s:
1) Trying to make a convincing argument in support of the Raiders by only having the confidence to proclaim that they are merely on their way to a “possible playoff birth”…
2) Misspelling “They’re”, while borrowing the mascot of a major university as an avatar…
3) Mocking the 49ers record over a three year span, when the Raiders have the worst record over the previous five year span.
“why are you still here?”
It says right at the top of the page, ‘Leave a response’.
“this has become sad”
Being an ardent spokesperson for a team that’s 19-61 over 5 years, if you’re looking for something that’s sad you might want to start in your own back yard. And when you do come to that realization, believe me, I’m right there with you. This franchise has become sad.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I can’t stand LT. Though he is one of the greatest i just have a hatred for him everytime he crosses the goal line
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
The pick is going to be DMac unless C Long is on the board. Drafting DMac or Gholston is essentially upgrading an already decent position with Fargas & Burgess. C Long provides solid rushing D which from I’ve seen and heard Gholston lacks? Al loves speedy RB’s so hopefully it’s DMac.
DMac provides more to the offense then what Gholston will to the D.
It’s about W’s and high scoring offenses. Defenses do win championships, but you don’t need a top 5 D to win the Super Bowl.
Al’s giving Kiffin the keys to building a top notch offense. If Walker succeeds and Russell improves week in & week out, then our offense could become awesome with DMac in our rushing attack.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again until & hopefully after we take DMac: He’s going to provide Kiffin his type of RB combo with DMac & Bush compared to Reggie & LenDale.
If Bush is indeed fully healthy (someone pointed a couple of blogs ago, Bush isn’t a home run hitter and rarely runs longer than 20 yards)he’s capable of a long burst, but with 4.5 speed it’s not going to happen a lot.
However Bush can provide the bruising back Kiffin likes and lacks. We are going to run the ball down their throat, but will get several large gains in the passing game.
DMac will play the Reggie type RB for Kiffin and he’ll be able to utilize his speed in the zone (USC used the zone) for big time gains. FEAR.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
23 doesn’t even know who RR is ….lmao
Oak, there is nothing to say at this juncture, its March man. Did you get a copy of that SB game yet, you know you might familiarize yourself with what a DEF is supposed to be played like.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Im still here, are you even a raiders fan
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Mistabrown – What’s up chief! Looks like your boy B.Wright will be in early tonight. Biedrins is gonna foul out if he keeps this crap up.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
in order i hate:
broncos
chiefs
cowboys
chargers
colts
in order i love(and this will get me in trouble):
raiders(of course)
andthe there’s a significant drop off-
patriots
steelers
and the rest i’m relatively indifferent team although depending on the matchup, i typically have a preference for the outcome of every game, even if it has no effect on me or the raiders
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Sorry mista to disappoint you.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Rob Ryan wants these guys as part of the coaching staff:
http://flipittypes.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fat_people.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
The average American eats 53 lbs of bread per year.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Un ciento treinta y nueve
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Rob Ryan.. Sorry mista i had a brain fart.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Just curious, but how many of the Raiders fans are also Lakers, and Yankees fans?
I like all 3 and have met several fans who like all 3 as well.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
http://mycognizance.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/scared-cat-cartoon-kitty-frightened-of-fat-lady-from-behind.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
and oakglenn, i personally believe JR will retire with the likes of brady, manning, favre, marino, and montana,
…………
Then he needs to get out of Oakland. No qb will ever again retire from the Raiders amongst that class, and it’s Al who won’t let it happen. Remember, the only reason Plunkett helped lead us to two Lombardis is because Dan Pastorini and Marc Wilson (Al’s guys) went down with injuries in ‘80 and ‘83, respectively.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Hey Jerious Norwood is on the blog. Awesome.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Lead down to five…bitches! lol…j/k
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
dakota, that’s hilarious, although a little below the belt//which is somehing all of those guys wish they could wear
and maddenraider, are you seriously going to call people out on typing errors on a blog post? that’s even more of a waste of time than you being here, or you being alive for that matter
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Raiders, Lakers, Cubs(was a Dodgers fan for about two seconds), LA Kings…
I thought I wanted to move to LA when I was a kid.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
# Raiders23 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Im still here, are you even a raiders fan
………..
Yes.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
f*&K the Yankees…Raiders Lakers and A’s
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I like the lakers but i did stick with 1 of my hometown teams and thats the Pirates. Go ahead and make fun but ill always like the Buccos
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Than why don’t you have faith?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Teams I hate:
Buncos
Cheats
Whiners
Dischargers
Cowgirls
All others.
Now, why do the Warriors keep bombing from 35 feet???? Why not attack the hole????
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I love the Pirates, they really help the Cubs out at the trade deadline!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“are you seriously going to call people out on typing errors on a blog post?”
If they’re making such errors while in the same breath referring to someone else as a “moron”? You bet.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
# Raiders23 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Than why don’t you have faith?
……
Why don’t you get real?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Madden Raider/whateverthefkhecallshimselftoday is a Broncos Fan from Natrona County, Wyoming.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I figured someone would pick on me. Oh well its all in good fun.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
this order
Raiders
Lakers
A’s
It’s hard to root for the A’s….they get rid of all the good players….sucks to be a small market team.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Dude just ignore the past few years and think positive. I know things havent been good but you never know what could happen.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
raiders, lakers, angels(who cares about baseball…but i guess it would have to be angels), trojans(in every college sport, although FB is the only one that really matters), and ducks(not that they matter either)
and maddenraider, why are you using the term “we” when referring to the raiders?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“that’s even more of a waste of time than you being here, or you being alive for that matter”
…..
Wishing death on me now? Wow. Touchy, touchy. Look, just take an adult course somewhere in basic grammar, and then you won’t have the problem, anymore. And then, name yourself after the mascot of that night school.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
regarding I’m still here, no one cares???
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Hip, the pirates are even a smaller market team.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Raiders
W’s
A’s
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I found a picture of Warren Sapp enjoying retirement:
http://katestelnick.com/badlands96er.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
As the Pirates have been good to the Cubs, the A’s have been excellent to the Yankees!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Well, what the hell, might as well pick sides….go Warriors!.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
“why are you using the term “we” when referring to the raiders?”
…….
Because I’m a fan of the team, and it’s commonplace for fans to refer to their favorite team as “we”. Wow. Looks like an inability to grasp basic grammar is the least of your problems, tonight…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Why are ANY OF YOU engaging that fukking idiot????? She has been banned here twice. She has been banned off other sites!!! Don’t talk to her!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Where do you find that hilarious stuff Dakota?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Great game by the way.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
true 23,
but the A’s….have had potential to take the next step….several times….then trade everything away.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Who is the she be referred to?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
maddenraider, not that i need to defend my intelligence but i have a BS in Business Administration and a Phd in Psychology, you attempting to criticize my intelligence is simply childish…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
As for college it’s WSU football, Gonzaga basketball, and WSU any other sport. Although I root for USC and/or any other PAC 10 team to beat up on any non-conference foe.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
# Who Cares???? Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
regarding I’m still here, no one cares???
.,…………
No one cares about what, my comments? Might want to scroll up and review the thread. My points are getting a lot of responses.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Hey Assassin, can you point Biedrins to the center of the hoop he missed about 6 open looks already!!
B Wright needs to choke Nellie if he dont start seein minutes! Azubukie is playin nice ball right now though.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I agree hip, they draft very well though so you atleast have something to look forward to where as the pirates look to draft the cheapest comodity around.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
maddenraider, not that i need to defend my intelligence but i have a BS in Business Administration and a Phd in Psychology, you attempting to criticize my intelligence is simply childish…
…………..
I’m just pointing out the irony in your misuse of the word “their” (a grade school error), and your actually referring to someone else as a “moron” in the same post.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Why is everyone arguing? Just talk sports and get along.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
23, “she” is maddenraider, who is currently posting under the name “i’m still here”, which is referring to the fact that he is still here after being banned multiple times from this site for posting the same BS….and no he’s not a fan, he’s a common raider hater
March 24th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Here is Jerry Jones and his gay lover:
http://www.megomuseum.com/cbmchaul/images/truckers.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
everyone, isn’t arguing, this is the common crap that maddenraider likes to pull
looks like we’ve got a good game here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Regarding post #177, who cares.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Gotcha trojan.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
23, you will never see me arguing ask OakGlenn.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Hell ya!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
You’re crazy Dakota
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
but in a good way
March 24th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Kobe 6-19
March 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Hello Nation,
Teams I hate:
1. dischargers ” worst bandwagoes” for “fans”.
2. chefs, donkeys.
3. Anyone playing the NATION.
4. Rest of the NFL.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
no responses to my 2nd and 3rd favorite teams? i expencted o be crucified
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Golden State- Never every look at Kobe’s numbers through the first 3 quarters because as you’ve seen time & time again, he can shoot 6-25 in the first 3 quarters and go 10-10 plus plenty of FT’s in the 4th.
Let’s look at his numbers at the end of the game.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Oakglenn Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Why are ANY OF YOU engaging that fukking idiot?????
…………….
That’s two violation of forum rules for you tonight, Oakglenn.
First was the “trailer trash” comment, which can be very offensive and is often used as a racial slur.
Secondly is your use of foul language, attempting to disguise it by misspelling the word, something that Jerry also said he was going to crack down on.
It was you who spent your entire Easter Sunday contacting the mods and begging them to ban just about everyone here who doesn’t agree with you, using the simple red herring that they are breaking forum rules. Tonight, you’re breaking blog rules left and right.
Don’t worry, I’m not going to email the mods. But your pathetic violations of the very same rules you spent about 16 hours yesterday whining about is on display for everyone to see.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
oh no maddenraider, there’s a spelling error…..better give some stupid childish criticism about my typing skills
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Is it time for Kiff to speak yet??
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Warriors….you are barely hanging on….and K O B E…is playing like crap…that won’t last boys…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Don´t push it Trojan.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Tommy Trojan – I recognize you’re watching the game right now but when you get a chance would you provide your thoughts on Kroy Biermann from Montana. Seems like a good guy to bring in as an undrafted FA. Productive player with little recognition.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Nice 3rd quarter.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
maddenraider, no one rats on oakglenn because he has earned our respect, you are universally hated on this blog, and for good reason…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Bring on the 4th quarter!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Good night fellow fans
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
TT, hope you guys are right about the dischargers. I live in the san diego area and LT seems a bit off. He may still be stewing about rivers not being worth his salt. Most teams have really figured out the chargers in that rivers is overated. they will never win a super bowl with him. LT is on the decline i hope we smashe his effing head off. I would like to be in rivers head when he faces up and we put 8 in the box.
Rivers has ryan leaf like qualities, he is one interception away from a meltdown.
Only one NATION in sports.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
I read somewhere that Brandon Marshal punched his t.v. upon hearing the Oakland Raiders signed Gibril Wilson and Deangelo Hall, have you heard anything about this Jerry?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Regarding anything i’m still here posts: who cares
March 24th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Teams I hate:
Chiefs- I’ve even taught my 3 year twin daughers to say Raiders No Chiefs (hate is to bad a word teach at this point).
Doncos
Dolts
Seahawks- I’m from Washington and grew up Raiders against all ‘Slugs fans and will never forget Bo against Boz.
Viqueens
Ravens- Have a weird liking for the Browns
Dolphins
I’ve always had a weird liking for the Browns, Cardinals, & Lions. I guess because they’re always underdogs.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Here is an exclusive photo of Barrett Robbins the night before the Super Bowl:
http://silversnowflake.smugmug.com/photos/62159730-O.jpg
March 24th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
uh ohhhhhh…. Kobe is heating up…. hahhaha
March 24th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Are they at Staples or what?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
no….in Oracle
March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
oh no maddenraider, there’s a spelling error…..better give some stupid childish criticism about my typing skills
…………..
For the third time, I was only pointing out your spelling error because you name yourself after the mascot of a major university, and you were also referring to someone else as a “moron”.
Just for future reference, when you’re making a post referring to someone as a “moron”, it’s a more important time than ever to do a quick spell and grammar once over before hitting the submit button. Don’t get mad at me because you committed one of the biggest party fouls in cyberspace.
Also…not that I don’t concede to misspelling “violations”, but truth be told, It was a typo. I just missed the “s”. You, however, used the word “their” when “they’re” was the appropriate word to use. It was no typo. It was an error common for 3rd graders. So, I say again, stop making USC look bad. I like the school.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Thec- I agree with your post #205.
He’s completely capable of a locker room meltdown given the right circumstances. I could easily see it happening this upcoming season with Hall, Huff, and Nnamdi feasting on his stupid throws while he’s playing on the road against the Raiders.
As soon as he starts talking trash he’ll lose his cool when he tries to be like Favre and just tosses it up. The Raiders fans will be raging and giving him hell on the sidelines.
He’s ripe for the picking. I wish I could be at the game and heckle my ass off.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Sure are a lot of Laker jersey’s out there …
March 24th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
The Beard just got blocked by Sasha!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Like the Raiders…..Lake show travels extremely well!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
ROFLMAO at post #214. Man that why i read mostly all the post on this blog. Good for a laugh, every freaking time!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
maddenraider, no one rats on oakglenn because he has earned our respect, you are universally hated on this blog, and for good reason…
……
Thank you for revealing to the mods that your guys’ complaints about rule violations never had anything to do with actual rule violations, and was all along just a red herring to rid the comments section of posters that you disagree with; which will, in the long run, effect the site’s web hits and lose money for the company that owns the site. I was considering making the case to Jerry myself. But why? One of the perps himself just made the case for me. Thank you! Kindly!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Theres no way we could start a fantasy football league. Theres only so many Raiders to go around.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
assassin, biermann has the classic build of a prototype throwback MLB but has the pass rushing repertoire of a quality DE, if he can add 15 pounds i like him as a DE prospect, but right now i see him as a steal as a 3-4 MLB rather than an OLB, i think he has the skills, build, and drive to redefine the MLB position in a 3-4 D, in the right situatio of course, i would love to see him don S&B next season as a ST stud and feel he could be a good long term developmental player at either DE or MLB, but would have a great NFL career for a 3-4 team
March 24th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I know I’ve mentioned Dilfer before and people cringed, but when comparing Dilfer to McCown then IMO Dilfer fills a bigger need as he’s more experienced and can provide better leadership.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Uh oh, I used “effect” when I should have used “affect”. Hey, I’m only human. But I’m not referring to anyone as being a moron, either. But I am referring to you, and Oakglenn, and anyone else complaining to Jerry about rules violations for the sole purpose of ridding this blog of pragmatic and critical fans that you’ve coined as “raider haters”, as being disingenuous, and attempting to control the discussion in an open comments section that you guys have no authority over.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
you’re not hated for no reason, you’re hated because you constantly violate the same rules and show no respect for others, and thus earn none for yourself
March 24th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Alameda Insider, employees of an NFL franchise that’s 19-61 over the past 5 years have a lot of room making fun of anyone else. Maybe they ought to get away from the food spread and get to work…
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
i still don’t understand why you spend so much time here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
that was a charge
March 24th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Thanks Trojan. I’m trying to see who we could draft as a replacement for Clemons. I didn’t even think about him as an LB. Kind of an Urlacher build when you describe him in that position. I like it. That’s why i ask you because you’re capable of thinking the whole situation through.
By the way, we do need some ST’rs. I think we improved in that area (slightly) last year. Kiffin seems to have a grip on the importance of Special Teams and I think he will put guys on the team that add value there. Jon Condo is a good example.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Why are you still here??? You;ve been banned repeatedly.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
The Raiders just released a photo of Al Davis’ new ride for the upcoming training camp:
http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/uploads/funny-vehicles-2.gif
March 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This is a great game you guys.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
maddenraider, i would really like an honest answer why you choose to waste your time here and everyone else’s for that matter
March 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Isn’t there that kid from Hampton that Davis was high on as a DE???? I don’t think he’s big and strong and fast enough tho/
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
KB24 = STUD
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
lakers got this
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
No NO NO
March 24th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Trojan, I’m not interested in anyone’s respect here, nor do I care that any of you hate me. I don’t recall ever complaining about such things, either. So I’m not sure why you’d point it out. I was discussing Oakglenn’s blatant rules violation(s) tonight, and the irony in it, considering he spent about 16 hours in here yesterday going back and forth with the mods, trying to get people banned for “breaking the rules”. Now I’m expressing my amusement in the fact that none of you ever really did have a problem with rule violaition(s), and that you were instead just using the violations as a red herring to get “raider haters” (your guys’ term for anyone who doesn’t drink the Davis kool aid) banned from the site permanently (per your confession).
Regarding my social status here; For your information, I’m only here to indulge Jerry’s information, and discuss and debate the current status of the franchise, and Al Davis’s ability as a general manager, anymore. That’s it. Personal insults are powerless against me.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Oakglenn – Who’s the kid from Hampton? Is he on the roster or practice squad?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
If a fantasy football team were to be created, a 16 team auto pick draft could be done or even possibly creating 4, 10 team leagues.
The league could be a few weeks shorter and then taking the top 8 players from the 4 leagues (4 league champions and then the remainder would be by points scored) or other determined number, and create a post wide league.
However, I actually wouldn’t mind seeing some the jerks be part of the process and hope to see them suck like the Chargers fans they are.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
oakglenn, you’re thinking of kendall langford, who is big and explosive and has decent strength, but he has poor timed speed, he plays faster than he times and appears like a decent DE prospect but his timed speed may hold him out of the first 3 rounds, i like him though if we can get him in the 4th
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
fuk me
March 24th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Ya Ya YA YA YA!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
If they blow this game I’m gonna be pissed.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
he will miss one of these
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
maidenraider, that doesn’t explain why a non-raider fan would spend so much time here
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
damn, come on odom
March 24th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Odom…….SUCKS…..at clutch free throws
March 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Also, AI, I’m not just referring to players, I’m referring to ANYONE in the Raiders’ organization, right down to the towel boys. When you’re a part of an organization that’s 19-61 in the past 5 years, should you be making fun of anyone? I know Lane Kiffin isn’t hanging around the food spread with the lifers in the organization and yukking it up about journos he doesn’t like. He’s hard at work. He’s going to use what’s left of his tenure here to gain experience for when Denver or Tampa hires him in ‘09.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
alameda, are you actually criticizing others for always being wrong?
March 24th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
“G-raider Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
From the forums, to the ESPN writers, the Raider haiters are out in full force. Whether it be someone reporting that Jamarcus Russell is 300 lbs, or the forums questioning where Al is getting his money, its easy to see that everyone still hates the Raiders.
Bottom line, hate all u want. On paper, the Raiders have upgraded there team through Free Agency and might do it as well with the 4th pick in the draft next month. Regardless of how much was spent or not spent, each signing has upgraded positions within there team. Isn’t that a goal in the offseason ? For every team?
Go ahead, tell us Jamarcus is 300 pds. We’ll see it come May ( mini-camp).
Tell us Deangelo Hall is overrated. Fine, overrated or not, he’s an upgrade over Washington and Routt regardless. Great pickup and you upgraded your secondary. Who wants to throw at Aso and Hall ?
Gibril Wilson – Best Safety in Free Agency. Again, an upgrade over a guy like Schweigert by a long shot. Again, great pickup. Probably there best of the offseason considering there lack of safety all these years.
Javon Walker – One of the best WR’s available in Free Agency. Don’t think so ? Then why were there 10 teams vying for his services ? But once he hits the Raiders, uhh ohh, its a bad pickup. Again, an upgrade over Jerry Porter. Porter left, they needed some more Wide Outs and they accomplished there goal.
Drew Carter – With Walker and Curry in the Mix, you have a deep threat in Walker and a possesion guy in Curry. Add in Carter who adds to the deep post threat as your #3 and boom, again, an upgrade. No, he’s not a pro bowl caliber upgrade, but nonetheless, an upgrade and fills a need.
Kwame Harris – With Barry Sims gone, you got his replacement. Yeah, tell us Kwame is a bum and swiss cheese. Just don’t say it around Frank Gore, he might tell ya different.
Tommy Kelly – Resigning your own player never hurts. Especially when the player is still young and in his prime. Especially when your down at the DT position. Still rumbling about his contract ? ” Kelly has more skill and will have a better career than I did ” — Warren Sapp … First ballot hall of famer. “Tommy Kelly will be an absolute monster once he fully realizes his talents and abilities.” –Ed Jasper hmmm, maybe Kelly’s underpaid ?
All in all the Raiders have upgraded there defense. One of the worst in the league last year. But as the saying goes, ” theres always next year “. So far, the Raiders are the ones preparing for next year.”
Say it out and say it loud, i’m black (and silver) and i’m proud!!!! Totally agree with this, if javon walker went to the bucs or cowboys, everyone thinks it’s the right move, but when he goes to the raiders, uh-oh, bad decision.
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
YES
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
WE STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
what a choke job
March 24th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
TIE GAME!!!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Great Game!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
# Tommy Trojan Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
maidenraider, that doesn’t explain why a non-raider fan would spend so much time here
…..
Well, that’s because I’m not a “non” Raider fan. That’s a term you coined for me, for reasons that I can only guess have to do with my refusal to drink the kool aid coming out of this organization right now, the same kool aid that you’re drowning in.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
unreal…lakers beat themselves once again.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
OT, wow, great game!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
OT, wow, great game!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Fisher got too good a look there
March 24th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
fish should have just stayed at the 3, he never misses from the perimeter…..but this game is awesome all around
March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
“Talk football” – Oakglenn
March 24th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Oakglenn Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
“tom, you’re exactly right. Let’s talk football, FA, draft.”
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/02/29/harris-scheduled-to-visit/
March 24th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
You tell her, AI.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
COUNT IT
March 24th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Kobe who???
March 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Anyone want to talk football??
March 24th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Oakglenn, I thought AI and myself were the same person?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Even if we end up splitting this 2 game set. I told you Laker fans last week in the playoffs…..NOBODY wants to play GSW!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
lets go lakers!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Oakglenn, are you talking football, again? Let us know when you change the rules, Oak. For the past two months; It’s “Talk football, guys”.
But for the past couple of hours, you want to talk basketball.
So, self proclaimed prince/tattle tale of this blog, can we talk football again?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Except for Utah..
March 24th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I say,kobe who????
March 24th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Well I see Cybil, (maddamraider) is back. Still talking to herself.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
But, for whatever reason, there are those in here that like to impersonate me from time to time,…they can duplicate the name, but not my knowledge.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
better gaurd Jackson!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
AI, I have never taken pride in being mistaken for you. Even when you were spot on when you first came here (as you now seem to be drinking the Davis kool aid, yourself), your racist views were troubling.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Is this a boxing match or a bball game? Everytime a time out is called there is a doc working on Kobe’s face.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Congrats Laker fans. You got away with one.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
And, Oakglenn will contact the mods again, ad nauseam, and eventually they’ll review the blog and find that he’s breaking the rules, too. But I’m sure Oakglenn is getting banned as well, and just resetting his modem or logging on from another location, like his rat hole in Raiders headquarters.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Nice call, reminds me of a Raider game.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Terrible Ending. Otherwise, great game.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Well said, Brown.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
This sucks
March 24th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Assassin- Getting away with one? Without having Bynum who’s a big guy w/o Bynum in the lineup really hurts our triangle.
These past two games were must-have wins for you guys. Lakers gave the Warriors a chance to win two more from them and you could only split it.
Any way I’m out.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
See, you guys talk to that effing idiot, and now there’s arguments and problems. Why is that??? For 24 hours everything has been fine, she comes back, and now there’s nothing but problems again. Why is that??
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Well, too bad the refs blew it, nice game. As a neutral observer I do wish they meet again the playoffs, even if Gasol and Bynum do make a big difference.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Assassin, I think that was a makeup artist working on Kobe. You know, for his close ups.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
DSM – I’m not challenging the fact that the Lakers are better with Bynum and Gasol. The fact is; a game was played and a bad call gave the Lakers a win.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
WTF…got away with one?!?! Should have been a no-call….Ellis was running through Fisher. Stop crying
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
He was running through him because he was being wrapped up. Read the post Bo, I gave Congrats and accepted the loss. Nobody’s cryin’.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
You better hope the Lakers fall to 2nd in West….or Warriors get the 7th spot….Lakers are better than the Warriors even without Gasol and Bynum….with them it is a sweep.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I was referring to all Warrior fans….not you specifically
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Raiders officials ref’n the Warriors game – kobe’s a B!TCH that crys 4much
March 24th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
I actually like the Warriors….I hope they play somebody else in the first round….not because I think they can beat the Lakers…but because I want to root for them.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
If they had called a charge against Beard in the 4th when he elbowed Kobe the game never would have gone to overtime.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
That was sweet when they beat Dallas. I also like the Clippers….I wish they had stayed healthy….they are fun to watch too.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t expect your attention span to be A-1 considering what I already know about you, but if you’d read the comments, you’d see that it’s Lakers and Warriors fans fighting with each other, and I’m not even in it. Is there anything on the planet you don’t blame Davis critics for?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Dakota….I disagree…that probably should have been a no-call too.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Oak, go ahead, blame me for the 19-61 record. All my fault. My negative vibes, whatever… I’ll accept blame for how bad the Raiders are.
But now it’s my fault Laker and Warrior fans are going at it?
Why stop there?
Global warming?
Anything else?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
sorry about all the Laker posts…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
GO RAIDERS!
FIRE ROB RYAN!
STEP DOWN AL!
night all.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Please ignore her and she will go away!!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Why apologize? It was a great game and the discussion was well deserved.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I thought because this is a big game…we could give the follwing a rest for a hour or so:
Davis v. Kiffin
Raiders crappy run D
McFadden v. D-line help
Davis Haters v. Davis Lovers
Rob Ryan Hating
Over-Spending in FA
Draft Mock – ups
Maddenraider v. the world
Trolls v. Troll hunters…
did I miss anything?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
oh yeah…
Kiffin not wearing Raider Gear…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
BJ’s hip, more like, Davis Kool Aid drinkers vs. Me.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Media hates us…
Ref’s hate us…
NFL hates us….
March 24th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Nobody’s ignoring me (obviously, yourself included), and I’m not going away. Those two things are evident.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Normally I would like to stick to at least the NFL but it was a blast discussing that NBA game with you all!! Plus a nice break from See Bo’s Post 306!! Nite all!!
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Yeah… but Still Here,
you go off on tangents and get personal too…I am not a Davis Fan, and nobody messes with me.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Bo, the media doesn’t care about the Raiders.
The refs do what the league tells them to do.
The NFL hates losing money, and little else.
Al Davis is irrelevant to all 3. It’s all on him to make the Raiders better.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Yeah…..I’m surprised though…
When the Raiders are good it is better for the League, in my opinion…
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
What a dumb ass… I have voiced my displeasure with Davis on different occasions, but I respect others opinions as long as they don’t disrespect me….which you have a problem with the second someone doesn’t agree with you.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Goodnight, Oakglenn. Sorry your effort to get rid of everyone that disagrees with you went futile. Oh well. Guess you’ll have to just grow up and accept the fact that there are Raider fans with differing opinions of this organization than yours. Sleep well, kiddo.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Later Oak.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Well goodnight gentlemen….back to work tomorrow.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
…voiced my displeasure.
LOL. And I’m sure you just shot it right from the hip. Heck, you’re too afraid to even stick with the claim that you are “not” a Davis fan, immediately backtracking and substituting it with “I’ve voiced my displeasure”.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Boy that didn’t take long did it. See Bo Jax, let’s break this down and see what that lying troll does:
I’m still here. Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
There you have it Bo Jax. How many other fans in here are calling you timid, emasculated, and a loyal mut!!! And now you know why she is banned. What she does is tries to get everyone at each others throats on the basis of their loyalty to Davis. Fortunately, it never works, she’s a total failure, but she tries and tries, and calls names, and posts under different names, and steals other identities, and gets everyone at each others throats. Why are you even talking to her??? She is a liar, a thief, insincere, the worst human qualities. No one should talk to her. She is garbage.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Uh oh. NBA talk. The NFL Season must be officially dead. Anyone out there??
March 24th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I love it that the Chiefs have fallen on such hard times. They invested way too much in an overhyped running back, let their offensive line go to shambles, put too much confidence into a player’s coach, and now they are no threat whatsoever. Let’s hope we don’t make the same mistake they did. Four more years of this and we can catch them in the all-time head-to-head standings.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
the chiefs have no hope. The new ownership does not want to spend money to win. there toast.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
one nation, love the raider nation, but who are we kidding here, with all this big spending it means jack, they will suck again, but i will sit there each and every sunday watching no matter the outcome, hoping that despite all of al davis’s antics, hoping kiffin swallows his pride and deals with the old man, take the raiders into the elite with hard nose physical football, hard hitting, and running north and south, Jamarcus has flashes of becoming a star but still didn’t quite have the oline or receivers but we still started winning, smashing people’s heads in whoever came close, that old mystique was coming back, you can really start to hear the Autumn wind, the media was now saying how dirty the raiders are even though they are winning………ah man at least to be that way again before i die, and i’m only 34 but hey you never know when it’s time to punch, One nation I’m in…
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
LOL Big Chill, right on.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
why do you say they will suck again? If you believed that, you would have to be the craziest person in the world to spend your time following them knowing something would be painful. I don’t do that. 99% of the people here don’t do that. Look at all the comments. Most people believe we are headed in the right direction. If you really believe that, you’re a lost cause.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Who is Erik Meyer that we just signed today (3/24/08)as a quarterback?
March 24th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Why is She Still Here?? Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Boy that didn’t take long did it. See Bo Jax, let’s break this down and see what that lying troll does:
I’m still here. Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Bo, I’m not the only one here who goes on tangents and gets personal.
And, maybe you’re not a Davis fan. But the reason nobody messes with you is because you’re too timid to discuss Al Davis’s shortcomings. You’re emasculated, and are accepted so long as you keep your trap shut regarding Davis. I wouldn’t exactly refer to that as them not messing with you. You’re just being a loyal mut.
There you have it Bo Jax. How many other fans in here are calling you timid, emasculated, and a loyal mut!!! And now you know why she is banned. What she does is tries to get everyone at each others throats on the basis of their loyalty to Davis. Fortunately, it never works, she’s a total failure, but she tries and tries, and calls names, and posts under different names, and steals other identities, and gets everyone at each others throats. Why are you even talking to her??? She is a liar, a thief, insincere, the worst human qualities. No one should talk to her. She is garbage.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Good point Delta Raider. I shouldn’t sit here talking about a team that I love even though I am pessimistic about their chances. I should spend all day complaining about strangers on the internet who disagree with me, finding new ways to accuse them of being people that they are not.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Erik Meyer was a promising QB out of Eastern Washington, came out a year or two ago I think.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
By the way, since Delta Raider was too dense to pick up on the positive aspect of Big Chill’s post (and mine), the point is that we will look forward to and enjoy and cherish the upcoming Raider season(s) regardless of the outcome.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
wtf r you guys talkin about
March 24th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Big Chill – It’s understandable to have the opinion you have because I’ve shared those the past few years. When Randy Moss came here I thought Al was trying to rebuild a championship team. Then he put worthless coaches at the helm and I quickly had the same view you currently have. That said, this momentum shift seems to be of a different tune. Despite a 4-12 record we are making progress. It sounds contradictory because we only won 4 games but we’re definitely making significan improvement. The run game is establishing itself, our position needs are being filled by young players that have proven themselves, we have a good young coach, and our last two drafts produced a starting TE, DE, MLB, OLB, who are productive. The jury is still out on JR, Bush, and Higgins, but they appear to be more qualified to start on other teams in the NFL as opposed to players previously drafted here. Bottom line is we have talent on the roster and coach who can get it done. Most important (and I feel this is the most critical difference) Davis got competitive in the FA market early as opposed to signing has-beens after all the talent was taken. We’re not going to win 10 or 12 games but we are definitely going to be competitive during the growing process of the young talent on the team, and we have a legitimate shot at the division.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Erik Meyer:
http://websrv.ewu.edu/groups/athletics/football/05fbmeyer-kimble.pdf
#2 all-time in division I-AA passer efficiency rating for a career, completing 66% of his passes for 10,261 yards, 84 TD, 17 INT. 2005 Walter Payton award winner as the best player in Division I-AA.
He’s 6′2″, 210#. Was cut by the Seahawks in camp last year, which is not very promising since their #3 QB (David Greene) has disappointed them greatly.
His wikipedia entry is pretty funny although not very factual.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
If even an optimistic fan says that we are not going to win 10 games, then we are going to suck. I’m just sayin’.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
TrevJo – I disagree. Winning the Super Bowl is the obvious goal, but it’s not realistic to predict a 10 win season with JR not having played a full season, a new Offensive Line, A defense that hasn’t had a chance to play as unit, and a coach who doesn’t know how his horses will produce in crunch time. I don’t see a problem with accepting progress for the benefit of the future.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I don’t doubt that we will improve on our win total from last year. I think we had a decent shot at 8-8. But I think if we don’t have good luck with injuries, we are probably looking at 6-10. Still a steady improvement over the last two years. We have definitely upgraded talent at the WR and DB positions. We will upgrade talent with our first pick in the draft. Other than that we are looking at a fairly similar team to last year. We’ve made no upgrades to the pass rush and have in fact regressed in that department now that Clemons is gone. Our only upgrade in run defense is G.Wilson. I like our WRs a lot better than last year, but they are all injury prone. I have cautiously optimistic hopes for Russell, he’s got to be better than what we had last year, but the way he talks about his performances makes it seem to me that he has low standards as far as what he is pushing himself toward. Our offensive line is probably no better than it was last year at this point.
All in all I definitely think the ‘08 Raiders will be better than the ‘07 Raiders. We don’t have as many long-term solutions as I would like for expecting continued improvement in ‘09 and beyond though. We have no promising young OL, our DTs and WRs are middle aged, we have no really promising young DEs. I like our future at LB and DB, although I don’t know how long it’ll work to have such an expensive secondary. Last but not least, at the all-important position of QB, Russell has all the potential in the world, but potential is just that.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Right TCMA, I agree that the Super Bowl is not a realistic goal for the ‘08 season. My problem with the direction we are headed is that it seems like everything we are doing is geared to get as many wins as possible in ‘08, rather than build effectively for ‘09 and beyond. I don’t think our decisions have been prudent in terms of the long-term picture.* That’s all I’m saying.
(*Especially when you consider that Kiffin, a very good coach IMO, will probably be gone sooner than later, and Ryan, a crappy coach IMO, will probably stay around.)
March 25th, 2008 at 12:16 am
DeltaRaider = Oakglenn
March 25th, 2008 at 12:19 am
TrevJo – I can’t disagree with everything you said except for JR’s personal standards. Kiffin stated publicly that he didn’t want JR’s confidence to be ruined by putting him in must win situations and failing (or something like that). My guess is JR was just regurgitating what the coaches were telling him. I think he was put in games for experience and experience only, without the expectation of being great. Post game discussions between he and the coaches were probably positive and I’m assuming they told him not to worry about it, only that they put him in for experience. He probably understands the expectations coming in as the starter with a full off season and no excuses. He’s been a winner and stepped up in big games. I think he’s got the “it” factor he just doesn’t have the experience yet.
I really hope you’re wrong about Kiffin leaving and Ryan staying. I would have a hard time supporting this team if that were the case. Not because I dislike the team, rather I dislike Al Davis and hold him responsible for such stupid decisions. I really do feel that Davis is making a change for the better (regardless of how selfish it is to want to win prior to stepping down) as he was totally out of character when he spent big jack for young proven players. I don’t want to give too much credit yet, but at least he’s doing his part to provide Kiffin with talent, assuming that talent stays healthy.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am
TrevJo and Big Chill,
DeltaRaider and the poster who goes as: “Why is she still here” are Oakglenn.
Rule of thumb: Every post that immediately accuses a Davis critic of being MaddenRaider is Oakglenn, posting under one of his own many aliases. Don’t be fooled.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Oakglenn, take it easy, man. He’s not worth it. We’ve got a lot to look forward too. Just think about Hall and Aso shutting down the competition, and us going 14-2. Don’t let the haters get under your skin. You’re a fan of the best team in football, and they’re just haters.
Goodnight, everyone.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Erik Meyer appears to be a Lane Kiffin pick. If you look at his collegiate stats this guy doesn’t throw interceptions. Kiffin always stresses the importance of not turning the ball over. The kid is not built like JR but he’s got a rocket of an arm and is plenty mobile.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 am
You’re Nailed Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Trevjo = maddenraider = marysteed = I’m still here= Alamdeda Insider = East Bay Ray = phony Oakglenn =phony Bob Marley = Sideshow Bob = phony Tommy Trojan
March 25th, 2008 at 12:29 am
BTW, Oak, what was your plan you kept talking about yesterday, to get rid of the “trolls”, for good?
Sure you weren’t just hallucinating, like the time Joe Montana told you he wanted to be a Raider? Because all our friends are still here.
And, btw, posts number 23, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 43, 44, 45, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 110, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 220, 222, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 236, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305 and 344 were not me. They’re all sideshow bob, at it again.
It also should be known that I never performed any of my reggae music. That was sideshow bob, too.
Jerry, could you please do something about my identity being stolen?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am
I’m telling jerry on all of you, first thing in the morning!!! I’ve had enough, god dammit!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 am
This is my house!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:35 am
You’re Nailed – I’ll take TrevJo from post 346 any day of the week. That was a great post and well worth the discussion. If TrevJo is the person using different alias’ that’s cool with me as long as he and I can talk football like TrevJo does. TrevJo keep bringing it. I’ve got an unusual amount of time on my hands tonight as I’m working on project that requires me to be on call thus a lot of downtime in the hotel. Can’t spend the downtime with my family so I’ll be happy to talk football with you.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Good article Jerry. I agree with you about Walter. I don’t think that guy ever had much of of a chance with the protectin he had in the time he played.
I read the Monte Poole article. Some one should show Monte how to write a sentence. Reading that stuff is like waiting for a punch line that nevers comes.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:48 am
The Raiders will be 10-6 in 2008 and make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years as wildcards. These players alone will add 6 wins to last year’s 4-12 record:
JaMarcus Russell-2 wins
Javon Walker-2 wins
DeAngelo Hall-1 win
Justin Fargas-1/2 win
Gibril Wilson-1/2 win
March 25th, 2008 at 4:13 am
In the playoffs, we will face New England in the first round, and hold Moss to 3 catches in a 19-17 victory. We will then travel to San Diego where we will outscore the Chargers 31-27. In the AFC Championship against the Jaguars, the Raiders will hold onto a 20-17 OT victory. We will face the Cowboys in the Superbowl. Rookie of the year Darren McFadden willshine against the Raiders, who traded down to Dallas from the 4 spot. The Raiders win 30-27 in the first OT game in Superbowl history!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:14 am
RaiderRaul
dont forget our #4 overall pick…whomever he is…will add at least one more game…better count on 11-5…and the division crown…because SD will have to start someone other than Rivers in ‘08 at least until mid season…if not later…and LT has no lead blocker…and the Oline is missing a guy…
yup…Raiders may just win the division folks…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:18 am
I will bet that SD and Norv go a miserable 7-9 in ‘08 and still come in 2nd in the AFC West !!!
“Lights Out” Merriman is gonna be a little upset this year after losing 5 in a row…he may just blow a gasket and get suspended for 2 – 3 games for an on field beat down of Cutler…for Cutlers’ taunting of Rivers on the sideline…on crutches…crying.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 am
BTW
Jerry
thanks for giving us something to chew on as I requested yesterday…it was getting a bit dry the last few days…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:27 am
RaiderRaul
I like it…can I have a piece of that “space cake” you brought over from Amsterdam ???
I think there is absolutely no reson to believe that exactly what you have dreamt is possible…because the Raiders are thirsty…they drank from the fountain of youth this off season and AD along with our roster got about 3 years younger…
Keep it up an dyou just may have the rest of us…drinking AD’s Kool Aid and believing that we are gonna go all the way….why not?
If we draft the right guys…and they listen to everyone around them, except the defensive coaches…and they have won championships in college…and remember how they pulled it off…and they dont listen to anything that Rob Ryan tells them…we could win….anything is possible.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:57 am
JMac
I AM NOT SURE I WOULD CALL PORTER A LOSS!!! HIM GOING AWAY IS A BLESSING. BAD ATITUDE, WORK ETHIC, NO LOVE FOR THE GAME. I WOULD HAVE RATHER KEPT JOSH AT LEAST HE SHOWED HEART ALL YEAR.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:04 am
IF KIFFIN HAS ANY CONTROL OF HIS STAFF HE SHOULD START WITH HAVING RYAN CUT THAT HAIR AND CALL MARINO OR SHULA NOT FOR ADVICE BUT HOOK HIM UP WITH SOME NUTRI SYSTEM. HELL JENNY CRAIG COULD HELP HIM BLITZ MORE THAN BUFFET LINE.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:17 am
Jerry, GREAT discription of our last four games of the season. murder’s row… That my good man is journalism at it’s very best. You deserve an award!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:33 am
Erik Meyer (SI.com Draft Analysis 2006)
Position: QB
School: E Washington
Conference: Big Sky
Ht., Wt.: 6-1, 210
40 Time: 4.72
BIO: Named the Walter Payton Award as a senior, given to the top I-AA player in the nation. Senior passing numbers included 65.6%/4,003/30/5. MVP of the Big Sky Conference as a junior, with totals of 67.8%/3,703/31/9.
POSITIVES: Ultra-productive small-school passer with an excellent feel for the position. Poised in the pocket, displays excellent vision and goes through receiver progressions. Consistently looks downfield, makes good decisions and does an excellent job commanding the offense. Leads receivers with throws and displays good pass placement.
NEGATIVES: Passes with a side-arm release. Cannot drive the ball downfield.
ANALYSIS: A competitive and intelligent signal-caller, Meyer has dominated the small-school level. His mechanics and throwing motion may pose a problem for some, yet his production coupled with outstanding accuracy will get him consideration in the late rounds.
PROJECTION: Mid Seventh Round
March 25th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
Draft McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Good Morning, Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Draft Chris Long & stop the run for once in 5yrs.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Erik Meyer is an interesting pick. And he might just be more than just a training camp arm.
In some of the early 2006 mock drafts, Meyer was actually rated .
1.Matt Leinart, USC
2. Kellen Clemons, Oregon
3. Eric Meyer, Eastern Washington
4. Ingle Martin, Furman
5. D. J. Shockley, Georgia
6. Vince Young, Texas
7. Darrell Hackney, UAB
8. Charlie Whitehurst, Clemson
9. Brodie Croyle, Alabama
10. Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
March 25th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Raider TW
Long will be long gone by the 4th pick if we are to believe the press. He wouldn’t be a bad pick or Gholston. Just a personal preference.
Draft the Best Available. Just not damaged goods.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Since Al Davis is so senile and has lost his mind and such, who gets credit for all the wins we will chalk up in 08?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Oops wrong button. Where was I….
As you can read in the above CBS Sportsline QB ranking for 2006, Meyer was rated ahead of Young, Croyle and Cutler. But it all went wrong. For various reasons, Meyer’s stock fell and he went from a Day One probable to undrafted. The Bengals picked him up but were never serious about him.
Meyer played ok in Europe. He then missed out on a roster place with Seattle.
He has potential, a big arm and reasonable mobility. Some scouts didn’t like his action and he didn’t come from one of the premier colleges. If he could get some quality field time and some decent coaching, he might just be around in August.
Whatever happened to Ingle Martin, Darrell Hackney and Charlie Whitehurst?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:20 am
Just a side note. The motor city kitties came to the LA Coliseam and we had a front that included Townsend, Long,Golic et al. First half bottled up Barry. 2nd half, we could not stop Sanders. He could get to the outside, go up the gut untouched. Caught screens. Had a big game against us. His speed killed us. Kind of like what I envision McFadden doing to the opposition if he is there for us.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Scottish Raider,
One problem with Meyer is that he won’t get the time to develop with us either unless JaMar has an injury and then we’re in deep manure. Not sure if they would practice squad a QB as the 3rd qb normally mimics the other opponents.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:26 am
NATION picking at #4, out of the top picks anyone of them outside of a QB could help us. I would prefer we trade down, trade and stockpile. that being said I have a question Would Darren Macfadden still get the top 5 love he is getting if Adrian Peterson did not have the yearhe had?
Is the league now looking for the next “Adrian Peterson”?
AD and DM are two diffrent types of runners. the main diffrence being that AD will look to run you over, and make contact he is that strong. DM on the other had relies on speed and not so much contact.
What also needs to be considered is what made AD so good? Was it the Scheme, the o-line or both? the vikes picked up a o-lineman from seattle that used to block for S. Alexander. Notice how seattle’s run production has dropped off and the vikes have take off?
My point is this, we could put anyone in our backfield and get good results. Does putting DM in our backfield give us great results? I have seen the talk about 1-2 extra touchdowns that may or may not be valid only time or the draft will tell. Does all that speed equate to 2 extra touchdowns a game?
Does DM=Reggie Bush?
March 25th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Looks like we got the best receiver from Denver, hahahaha…
Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall appeared in court Tuesday after being arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and domestic violence.
Brandon Marshall will miss the next three months after undergoing arm surgery over the weekend.
Police say Marshall was pulled over in downtown Denver shortly after 2 a.m. on October 22, 2007. His arrest came hours after the Broncos defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers 31-to-28 in Denver.
exlaraiders, that’s what the “experts” keep saying but I don’t see Parcells taking him (especially if Al asks him real nice) Atl & Rams have other needs. ANOTHER LONG FOR OAKLAND!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Draft to stop the run. Long, Gholston, Ellis, Dorsey in that order. Crush all opponents in 2008!
I’m stoked about our new secondary. Anybody else?
P.S. See you at A’s opening day next week. Look for the raider flags.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:44 am
SR, I like what we have done. I hope AL keeps it up. I want another present before the draft. Like a chad johnson something that will make bspn say see Al has lost it or dysfunctional what ever the put down is of the day. But at the end of the day the NATION will have the last laugh.
8 in the box sounds really nice. Makes a great parting gift to QB’s and OC’s when you have 2 cover corners.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Today, the only news to come out of Oakland is the signing of QB Erik Meyer. Who? Yeah, that’s what I thought too, but they do need more than two to start the season. So, I guess you think I got that tidbit from the local newswire right? That’s where I should’ve gotten it, but instead I got it from the Oakland Raiders website, under ‘transactions’.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479
March 25th, 2008 at 8:23 am
To post number 57 and JMac, The last tampering charge was against the New England Patriots when they hired Bellicheck away from the Jets.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:39 am
DRAFT MCDADDEN!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Hillary Clinton is a liar…
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html
probably not shocking to most Americans with a brain.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I think it can easily be argued that we’ve had the worst off-season in the league. By all accounts, Kiffin is a lame duck HC. We lost Clemons (a potential stud) and have yet to add a any linemen of significance to a team horribly in need. Effectively, we have 1 pick in the coming draft. Our best hope is to get a stud DT so that at least one side of the ball has the players to constitute a legitimate team (barring injury). In the mean time, we’ve got Kwame Harris as our starting lt (he sucks really bad by the way) and no center. If we get a productive stud at DT, we may win some games with D and a good punter, if Jano can make some 50+ yd field goals. That’s if Ryan doesn’t blow the lead by going soft. Which he does whenever we get a lead. Other than that we’re in great shape.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Jerrys absolutely right. On paper the Raiders have made the most positive moves out of the AFC West. KC is in the cellar, SD arrogantly do not think they need to improve any more and are letting other teams catch-up (if anything they’ve declined due to losing O’Neal and Turner).
But don’t sleep on Denver. They were racked w/ a ton of injuries last year on defense. This year they should be healthy. On offense, they’ve lost Walker which may hurt a lot more than they think.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:54 am
The Broncos have a severe shortage at WR. With Marshall slipping on the McD’s bag (wrestling with a relative) and at the least being out 3 mths and a domestic violence charge from Oct., and our signing of Walker they hace a problem. S.D. will be Turnerized this season and will go downhill. I think 10-6 takes the division.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Just read in the Newark Star Ledger that the Giants are interested in Aso?? Jerry, dakota, LMN, Scottish anybody please shed some light on this nonsense….
March 25th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Bo- I read the same thing. You have to remember with the cap it’s currently counting Aso’s hit to it, not taking away from it.
Once Aso is resigned, that number will drop significantly as it’ll be pro-rated.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:17 am
if we can beef up our trenches…..WATCH OUT AMERICA. HERE COME THE RAAAAIDERS!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am
#377-Someone get this guy some Kool-Aid. Sheesh.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am
381
Actually I don’t think Aso’s number is towards the cap at all right now because he hasn’t signed the tender. I could be mistaken though
March 25th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Blat…
I completely disagree. The “line is crap” argument is the only thing lame concerning the Raiders.
The line did not give up near as many sacks last year and placed the Raiders 6th in rushing.
Simms left and was replaced with Harris.
Warren will be healthy and Kelly will move inside to DT. Why draft a DT “stud”?
The only place the line needs help is DE. Burgess and Richardson are the only DEs on the roster. Look for Oakland to go after Long or Gholsten.
You also make no mention of the WRs added to the roster and their potential value.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I’m not drinking kool-aid.
I’m tired of the “drinking kool-aid” vs. “hater” crap.
I am a fan who is looking at the team and seeing that the Raiders are filling needs.
Cable made the comment a year ago that he was thrilled with the talent the Raiders had on their o-line.
In one year he made a tremendous difference. He will have another full off-season to continue his system.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Coach Flores,
re: 356 Yeah, sure…it’s some pretty heavy stuff!!
You made a comment about the fountain of youth. Actually, the raiders have been a very young team for 3 years now. Kiffin & Al are being smarter by sign YOUNG free agents, unlike the Gruden years.
Top 5 best Young Guns:
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Thomas Howard
3. Zach Miller
4. Jay Richardson
5. Oren Oneil
March 25th, 2008 at 9:36 am
#377-I smell fake Bob Marley under another name
March 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Agreed K-Rock.
Most of us felt the 2 biggest needs were to address the DLine and get some receivers.
We’ve certainly taken care of receiver, and maintained out interior Dline. DE will surely be taken care of in the coming month, I’m expecting some pretty interesting trades in the near future.
I’m still puzzled how McFadden is being mentioned here, though. Unless of course he drops to the 6th round!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:39 am
And while we’re at it…
Top 5 Young Veterans:
1. Nnamdi Asomugha
2. DeAngelo Hall
3. Javon Walker
4. Justin Fargas
5. Kirk Morrison
notables:
Gibril Wilson, Tommy Kelly
March 25th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Kelly is far more effective at de than at dt. And we need more than 2 guys playing de anyway. I think we’ll really miss Clemons and should have signed the guy while we had a chance. I’ll be shocked if Sands and Warren and the new cast off from the giants prove anywhere near adequate. Under Cable’s system, Simms played reasonably well last year, but he’s gone. If Cable can turn Kwame Harris into an even marginally adequate lt, he should be up for sainthood. I think that requires 3 miracles. This one might be enough by itself. And as long as Jamarcus is allowed to snap the ball to himself, then we’ll be just fine.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am
I’m watching the Oilers-Bills comeback game on NFLN. Man, the oilers got jobbed!!! Looked like officials from a Raiders game.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am
derrick burgess and tommy kelly on the the outside and warren and sands in the inside…. burgess will provide pass rushing and kelly will hep with both…..warren and sands together way 665 pounds, thats a lot of meat.. they can tie up blockers so the linebackers can get to the ball carriers…. with that said we have to find someone the wants to trade up and my hope is dallas so we can get there 2 1st rounders and a 2nd 61 overall. then we can draft keith rivers a beasty linebacker the can play the run….. then also draft another DE to providedepth and also if warren or sands don’t pan out so my guess would b kaleis cambell a 6 ‘7” guy and then move kelly back into the middle to play 3 technique and with the 2nd round draft early doucet if he slips that far and if not a legit LT….. then trade washington hopefully for a 2nd rounder if not a early 3rd rounder…..
March 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I am drinking the kool-aid. I’m not going to sit here and worry about being disappointed. The Raiders have had the busiest offseason in the entire league so far, and I am enjoying it.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Top 5 Veterans:
1. Derrick Burgess
2. Shane Lechler
3. SeaBass
4. Ronald Curry
5. Cooper Carlisle
Gosh, we ARE young!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Pat Kirwan now has the Raiders trading down two spots with the Jets, he thinks they are going for Gholston and has us taking McFadden at 6th.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:49 am
So Cable can get productivity from Simms an Gallery, but he has to be a Saint to get productivity from Harris (a first round pick)
You have no basis to call Wilson a cast-off. He was a FA who was signed to another team. He is also a huge upgrade over the talent the Raiders had a FS.
Even your argument about the center posistion is weak.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Kirwin is saying both Longs as well as Dorsey will be gone before #6
And with the 6th pick of the NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select RB DARREN MCFADDEN ARKANSAS!
March 25th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Kirwin is wish drafting. He wants this happen more than he really thinks it will.
I don’t buy it.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
He says the Jets might feel NE could try to move up for Gholston, hence the trade with us.
It would be good for us if the NYJ and NE start fighting for position to get Gholston, if he´s there at 4th and we want to move down we should have offers from both.
Of course, I think the Rams could draft Gholston at 2 making this a moot point and we can also decide Gholston is the player for us and reject any offers.
March 25th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Sorry…
It’s Kirwan, not Kirwin.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Can I ask a serious question…
Why is the country so infatuated with us taking McFadden?
With all of the needs the Raiders have, why do people think the Raiders will draft McFadden?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
b/c its sexy K-Rock …b/c its sexy
March 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Because of Peterson.
Short term memory dictates that the “best” RB in the draft will be a stud. Simple as that. The 3 teams in front of us have true #1 RB’s, we don’t.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Not a knock on Fargas.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Before I was against picking McFadden and instead trading the pick #4 to Dallas for both their #1’s. After studying lots of clips of Dmac I now believe we cannot afford to pass on him. He is a complete back who can run (4.3 40 time), block, throw and even take snaps from center. Fargas and Rhoades are good solid RB’s, but Dmac is a homerun hitter. Combine Marcus and Bo you get Dmac.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Neither the Giants or Pats have a “franchise” back.
Not a requirement for a team to win.
Cowboys, Packers, Giants, Pats, and Colts. None of them have a so called “franchise” back.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Gotta go to class guys…later.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:17 am
K-Rock, you are right. However I believe McFadden is a RB you just can’t pass on. We do have other needs like DE, OT and OLB, but this guy does it all. If we pass on him I think he will come back to haunt us.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
K-Rock
I think that most ”analysts” really feel McFadden is a superstar in the making as well as the best player available and as such, they can´t see him not being a top 5 pick, so they almost have to place him on the Raiders due to AD´s love for speed and athletic prowess as well as his perceived unpredictable nature.
Wether it´s the right choice is up for debate and both sides make good points, I´m personally undecided about it, but I can see where both arguments come from.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Well said Raider4life. With the short life of an NFL back, Fargas has hit his peak. He is a good back with a recovering ACl injury. I should be biased toward Fargas as an USC alum but I don’t see greatness in him. I see potential greatness in McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am
More like combime Pee Wee Herman and Bo and you get D-Mac
March 25th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Just hope he doesn’t turn into another Ron Dayne.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Reads like the REAL ‘BOB MARLEY” is posting.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:21 am
LOL…
I think I understand the people who were on the other side of the Russell argument last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Dakota -
I’m here now. Sorry I wasn’t around last night to take my lunps, I was watching the game at a buddys and didn’t get home until 1 am. I am here now to take my lumps.
Mike Delaney sure looks good in a Lakers jersey though! What a game winning play that he made. That ending left a foul taste in my mouth. How do you let an awesome game like that be decided by a blown call? Must all of my favorite teams get jobbed by the refs?!
Anyway, bring it on. It was a good game but the Lakers won. Season series split, which is respectable. I felt like last nights game was a playoff preview. I will tell you this, contrary to what Bo Jacksons Hip thinks the Lakers would not sweep the Warriors in a playoff series. I don’t know how he could even say that after the teams split the season series.
I am all for a first round playoff meeting. Lets do this.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Can’t find what McFaddens yards after contact are. Would like to compare those with Fargas.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:25 am
yes we would beat the Lakers in 7 we will Kobe will not get those kinds of calls in the future playing us especially in the playoffs where anything goes plus with the way we play scrappy defense we’ll be stealing the ball left and right
March 25th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Frozen… Actually it would be Bo & Marcus with a side of Shuan Kemp & Travis Henry. That’s the only knock on Dmac. Go to youtube.com and check this guys highlights.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:29 am
That´s as far as the media almost universally predicting McFadden to be our pick, nobody knows what the Raiders are actually thinking.
Also, when it comes to mock drafts, most in the media have only a passing interest on the Raiders and every team, they look at the Draft order and say, well, who´s next and who´s left, what do they need and that´s it.
I think fans like us have a little better perspective on what our teams should do, you know, since we watch every single game and play, as well as every single move as small and apparently meaningless as it may be.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:30 am
I’m All about being In and Drinking the damn kool-aid. What I would like to see with such a good-looking secondary is for Rob Ryan to come up with some really nice blitzing schemmes, we don’t blitz nearly enough. Al…… Let the Defense Blitz, a lot!!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:31 am
#385 K-Rock, regarding the o-line. Yes, we gave up a lot fewer sacks last year, but we still were not effective at protecting the QB. 28 teams threw more passes than we did, and we still gave up the 11th-most sacks. Losing Sims and gaining Harris is a wash. The Raiders have a lot of work to do before they can say they have respectable pass protection.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Outside of Mayock, Gosselin, Kirwan and maybe a couple of other guys who really do their homework and have contacts around the leage, the rest of the mock drafters are only guessing.
Exlaseason….
Yep, it´s the real Bob.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Anthos,
The playoff will be a different series entirely and the Lakers will have both Gasol and Bynum back. It will still be competitive but the Lakers should be favored.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Thats so damn true …these analyst are so high on McFadden having him ranked as the best player in the draft that by thei reasoning he MUST be picked say top 10 top 5 irregardless of who’s doing the picking and team needs. So they just MAKE him fit. They can’t phantom him falling out of top 10 or top 5 per say – so Raiders are by their logic the best candidate. So they always put him there.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Anthos,
The Warriors will be very lucky to win 2 games in a 7 games series against the Lakers (when healthy). They are missing their number 2 and 3 best players. They are not the Mavs!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:40 am
I hope someone comes and drafts McFadden so we will be forced to draft a d-lineman. If he is there, I think we will take him. Maybe we will trade Fargus to get back into the higher rounds.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Personally I hope that Bynum and Gasol would be back in a playoff series against the Warriors. Then I wouldn’t have to hear about the “if only’s” and “what ifs”. I want the Warriors to play the Lakers at full strength. But after last night there is always that wilcard of a ref that could sway the game one way or the other with 4 seconds left in OT…
March 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479 Good reading.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Nation,
My new conclusion: C Long will NOT fall past the #2 overall pick guaranteed!
We will choose between Gholston or D-Mac with a slight chance of trading down.
So we have a choice between getting our version of D.Ware/Merriman/J Taylor in Gholston or getting our version of LT/AP/Marcus Allen in McFadden. Tough choice but its a GOOD tough choice to have IMO
March 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Whats up with shady officiating lately trying to help out so-cal basketball clubs win games? I mean how many times do the officials have to help UCLA win games? Then Lakers get one of the most horrendous calls to win a game last night against the warriors…to give them the game (which was a great game until the crappy call) which should have never been at the end of a game like that.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Maybe the Raiders should sign Derek Fisher from the Lakers as a safety. That tackle on Monta Ellis was better than any Stu Schwag tackle!
March 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am
I think we will end of trading Fabian for a 3rd round pick, but I think we need to acquire more picks. Jordan wouldn’t get us higher than a 5th. Right now I believe we only have a 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th. We need to find a way to get a 2nd in order to pick the best DL left. Anyone know exactly how many picks we have???
March 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am
RaiderDogg…Maria Sharapova hits harder than Lil Stui. Hopefully with D-Hall and Wilson back there we will have an above average secondary.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
We have currently have 1st, 4th, 6th, and two 7th rounders.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Honestly, IF and thats a BIG IF ..C.Long, V.Gholston are gone AND the team doesn’t believe Ellis or Dorsey can stand up at NT in the NFL then the team may just pick McFadden b/c there’s no one else. But what I’m saying is that it’ll have to be a “forced” pick. imo. The pecking order:
1. C.Long
2. V.Gholston
3. G.Dorsey
4. S.Ellis
5. maybe even R.Clady
6. then D.McFadden …but I can see them begging Dallas to trade up to avoid making this pick lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Amen Darkknight01
The problem is that the Lakers have been getting all the calls for years and when they don’t get them they cry all night until they do.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I hate the niners and I’ve just loved watching Kwame Harris getting whupped for the last few years. Now we’ve got him!!!! If you’ve ever seen him play, you know he sucks. As to Sands…he quit as soon as the ink was dry on his new contract. And finally, check the stats on our new DT. I haven’t actually seen him play, but from what I hear, he’s been a bust. Hope I’m wrong, but I really doubt he’s our next Burgess. And finally(again), who’s playing center?? I hope it aint Grove and if Newberry is signed, how long do you think he’ll play before something on his worn out body explodes?
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Raider4life Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 10:49 am
“RaiderDogg…Maria Sharapova hits harder than Lil Stui. Hopefully with D-Hall and Wilson back there we will have an above average secondary.”
Oh I feel really good about the Raiders secondary. It’s the Dline that concerns me. Sharapova can really lay the lumber, not really a fair comparison to Schwag.
March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Please!!
Either call a foul on Ellis for running right into the chest of Fisher or make a no call if they both go down.
LA looks tired right now. Pray you don’t draw them in round 1 Warriors.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Thank you DSM and Analyzer….. I just hope Aso signs the tender or Al is already working on his deal so we can lock him up with D’Hall. Man I would love to have the freak Gholston, But can you just picture Dmac in the back field
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Raiderdogg,
That call last night was horrendous and I have to admit I grew up a Laker fan here in the bay area and still root for them but I have also always rooted for the Warriors….but IF anything….that should have been a no-call. Fisher took an obvious dive and then that Donaghy coached REF saw them on the ground and then made the a call when he didn’t even see the initial contact? What crap! The official should be ashamed of himself for allowing that game to end that way.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:00 am
” Combine Marcus and Bo and you have DMAC”? Were you raised under power lines when you were young? Or did you take a likeing to paint chips?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Still no word on Takeo Spikes?
March 25th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Saint -
Fisher clearly tackled Ellis, in fact he pulled him down on top of him. I saw it from every conceivable angle. If you think otherwise then you are seeing things through a Laker induced haze. Be real bro. That was a BS call and you know it. What if it was the other way around? Kobe would still be crying!
Classless on Fishers part too.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Fisher did’nt start to fall until Ellis drove straight into him.
Should have been a no call, I never want a game to end with officials!
And yes, I am a biased Laker fan!
March 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am
What it Doo Raider Nation
Yesterday morn on cold pizza they said the Raiders were getting a lot of trade offers for Nnamdi, They said the Raiders were NOT listening to any offers and they would like to see how the 2ndary played out this year with the addition to Hall before they gave Nnamdi his long term deal
March 25th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I am not so sure that Chris Long wont fall to us.
Long worked out as an OLB at his pro-day, clearly an indication that Miami wants him to play at that position. If Miami is looking for OLB, then Gholston is a much better fit, he is faster, stronger, and has some experience in coverage. Therefore:
1. Gholston to Miami
2. Jake Long to St. Louis
3. Matt Ryan or McFadden to Atlanta
4. Chris Long to Oakland
March 25th, 2008 at 11:12 am
yes the lakers will and should be at full strength in the playoffs and yes it will be a great series but like i said the whole flip flop foul thing kobe whining that ish aint gonna go down in the playoffs specially in tha biggity O where the number 1 fans are
March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I’m hopeing for Gholston myself. But if we cant get one of these top tier d-lineman, and as much as I hate to admit it, then we obviously have to take a hard look at DMC.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:15 am
you guys should take a look at peter kings si.com article about cowgirls jones wanting Mcdonaldfadden King suggests that the raiders trade the 4 pick for Dallas’ 2 firsts a second and Tank Johnson that would be a good trade I think then we can trade one of our firsts to the bungholes for C. Johnson or Julius peppers
March 25th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Why are people so negative about getting McFadden, like it is a death sentence or something? McFadden is the highest rated player in the draft, we should be so lucky to have him fall to us with the 4th pick. Turn those frowns upside down people, any one of these guys will be a great addition to this young team.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am
saintkaufman Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am
“Fisher did’nt start to fall until Ellis drove straight into him.
Should have been a no call, I never want a game to end with officials!
And yes, I am a biased Laker fan!”
Go back and look at the film bro. Fisher clearly pulls Ellis into him. There really is no point in arguing over facts. Also look and you will see Kobe trying to pull his guy down as well. I guess Phil Jackson coaches plays like that. “Just drag your guy down with your back to the official and you will get the call.”
Complete nonsense.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am
BBB…
1st… I don’t think Matt Ryan will go to Atlanta, they won’t waste their 3rd overall on Matt Ryan…
2nd… Gholston to miami, hmm I think they will take a DT.
3rd I C long isn’t gone when its rams turn they will take him, if he is gone, gholston or J Long
March 25th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Bart,
I think the NEED outweighs the talent this year.
And we know where the need is.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
BBB…
it will be a death sentence! it will drag us back step in our development.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Anthos…Yeah Ocho Cinco would be real happy here. We don’t need another cancer like Randy Moss was. Dmac will be a Raider. 1200+ yds. 10+ TD’s.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Alright Dogg. You’re right.
This is like talking about the Raiders on a Charger blog.
Good luck maintaining the #8 spot. Perhaps we’ll revisit this “discussion” in May.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Alright guys…for everybody concernened about the interior line on D, I think y’all are forgetting that pass and run d work exactly the same way as running to set up the pass on offense. With a strong secondary there are simply gonna be more defenders in the box to defend the run. PLUS, our two best d-lineman were playing hurt last season….so virtue of an offseason of rest and stacking up the secondary our defense got a WHOLE lot better.
As for the draft, I think Kiff and Davis SHOULD go offensive. Think about it…we had a SOLID D two years ago and still lost 12 games. No matter how strong the D looks the Raiders still NEED to score points and hold onto the ball in order to win. Therefore, I think the scenario where Davis should pick a defensive player is Chris Long, A) Cuz he’s Howie’s son and that would just be flat out sick! And B) most importantly I think everyone agrees Long is the closest thing to a can’t miss on D. Gholston, Dorsey, etc are all question marks that high in the draft to everyone. DMC is a big play guy, and Jake Long could be the anchor on the O-line we’ve needed since Kennedy retired. Either way I think the Raiders are sitting happy in this year’s draft
March 25th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Let me try again =)
it will be a death sentence! it will drag us a step back in our development.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I feel you on the cancer part but I think Chad J is different than Moss hes’s from LA played college ball in Oregon has a gold grill why wouldnt he like to be on the raiders and if he was he wouldnt complain or hold his head lo like Moss I just think it’ll be diff if not Chad then trade Burgess for Peppers
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I agree Saint, should have been a non-call. I don’t know if Fisher dragged him down, but he wasn’t tackled by Ellis either. I hate when the refs decide games. In fact, I never want to know the refs name. If I know his name, that’s a bad sign.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
drafting for need when you were 4-12 the previous year is useless. We NEED some better players everywhere.
LMN,
I kind of agree on M. Ryan, personally I am thinking that they are taking McFadden.
Miami might take Sedrick Ellis, but that wouldn’t change my scenario that much.
The Rams might take C. Long, but right now if they had to choose between J. Long and C. Long, I think it would be a toss-up.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:24 am
saintkaufman Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 11:21 am
“Alright Dogg. You’re right.
This is like talking about the Raiders on a Charger blog.
Good luck maintaining the #8 spot. Perhaps we’ll revisit this “discussion” in May.”
Sounds good to me. Good luck holding onto that #1 spot, CPaul and company might have something to say about it.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:28 am
How is getting a highly coveted, dynamic offense weapon a bad thing for a team that struggled to score. DMAC creates mismatches all over the field, that is what Kiffin is looking for. Read his end of the season press-conference and then tell me that Kiffin is satisfied with the offense that we have.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Truthfully I believe the Lakers wil lbe the Number 1 seed and the warriors will be the number 8 seed
so
Warriors in 7
I B F’in Lieve
March 25th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Any1 watched tha A’s game last night
March 25th, 2008 at 11:30 am
i got a kick out hearing the BSPN idiot anchor last night when he did the highlights…..
he described it as “monte ellis just bowls over kobe”! and the lakers win the game.
Wow…i didn’t know BSPN are Kobe fans now?
We also know that the national media BSPN…roots against the Warriors and shows them no respect. What a joke BSPN is….so sick of them….
March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I cant see my posts
March 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Sorry Bart.
I think McFadden is alot of hype.
He’s not the quickest, not the fastest, not the biggest, does not possess great moves, etc. He was on an offense that allowed him to get the ball in alot of situations behind a GREAT OLine. His backup had 8.7YPC on 133 rushes!!!
He is a very good north and south runner. But can he get that 3rd and 2 that Fargas can?? He’d be a great kick returner, but I fear an average RB. Oh yeah, IMO.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Darknight01
I caught that 2 on bspn – how his Monte’s little a$$ gonna run over Fisher – Thats a joke – If i were a faker fan than I would just say we got away with one and leave it as that -
March 25th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I see your point on needing to score in the fourth quarter but how many times did we have the lead in the fourth quarter last year only to have the defense fold and give up the lead and the game. Look at the super bowl. The patsies had one of the, if not the, best offenses ever and the giants D shut ‘em down. Thats why they say defenses win championships.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 am
you are outnumbered in that opinion Saint. Look no further than your namesake to see the kind of weapon that McFadden can be. He is the best combination of those attributes that you mentioned and he wont have to move the pile, we have Fargas/Bush/Griffith to do the heavy lifting.
Arkansas’ line wasn’t that great, they have one guy that could get drafted. Felix Jones wasn’t his back-up, they were complimentary backs (like he and Fargas could be)
March 25th, 2008 at 11:46 am
BB- To suggest Gholston or Ellis is crazy.
I obviously have a man crush on DMac and believe upgrading Fargas is no different than Gholston upgrading Burgess for as far as I can tell Gholston is a stud pass rusher but questionable as a run stopper.
C Long on the other hand is quite adept at both stopping the run and rushing the passer due to his size.
So if C Long isn’t available which upgrade do you take, RB or DE?
DMac provides immediate FEAR for the opposing D and should help transition Russell’s first year. No one is going to blitz when DMac has the ball for fear of play action to Carter/Walker. One little crease and there’ll be plenty of wide open space for a 4.33 back to burst through.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Did I miss something or did Nnamdi sign the franchise tag or something. See cornerbacks.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14247-NFL-Oakland_Raiders-Oakland_Raiders_Revised_Depth_Chart_and_Draft_Needs-230308
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Defense does win championships with the exceptions of the colts and the Rams look at all the past super bowl winners Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Buccs, the Patriot teams were pretty even but you can say they had a stronger defense so we should most def take Dline in RD1
March 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am
BB- oops, suggest Gholston or Ellis as the number #1 overall pick is crazy.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:48 am
warriors will pone the flakers in a 7 game series!!
DRAFT BABY HOWIE
March 25th, 2008 at 11:49 am
saintkauf,
well maybe D-mac won’t be able to get the 3rd and 2’s…thats where Fargas and Bush come into play….but D-mac can sure get those 2nd down and 10…..50-60 yard TD runs!
Thats a good thing…not a bad thing…
March 25th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Grim…I agree we need to play a lot better on defense in the 4th quarter. Since we will be drafting D-Mac first why not see what we can do about getting Jason Taylor for a year or two. Give the Fish Fabian Washington and next years 3rd rounder. With Clemons gone we do need another DE to put pressure on the QB. Dolphins need CB’s.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:51 am
why is that crazy DSM? It needs to be a guy that Miami needs, not just the best player on the board. IMO Gholston and Ellis are better fits in the 3-4 than C. Long (if Long switches to OLB)
No arguments from me about DMAC’s skill! Nobody in the first round of this draft can protect JaMarcus “Death Star” Russell better than DMAC next year.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Post 451 Anthos, I like that a whole lot. We can really go shopping with that. I wonder if dallas is that hot and botherd over Dmac? If so lets do the dance.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
What about Bush tho if he had snaps last year and showed he can do his thing will people still be infactuated with McDMAC maybe but remember the last time a team drafted a RB with an injury his last year in College that was Willis Mcgahee hes not all that but he is good and if Bush can be something like that then why draft Dmac if AP got an injury last year and was knocked out for the season everyone would be saying no to dmac cuz looked what happened to Ap
and i know this mAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAn
March 25th, 2008 at 11:53 am
If you have an offense that scores a lot of points but can’t stop the opposing teams offense then what? Hope that your defense gets lucky and gets a stop at the end of the game? I would much rather have a great defense with a mediocre offense than a great offense with a mediocre defense.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Saint- Kiffin would use DMac to get a two yard run instead of Bush or Fargas??
DMac will be part of a two-headed monster with either Fargas or Bush. One back gets the 3-4 yard gains, the other goes for 6 or more.
Some say it’s a wasted pick, but for the value we receive in having the FEAR he’ll provide is worth it’s weight in gold.
When Reggie Bush played for USC Kiffin utilized him roughly 20-25 plays a game (although he could’ve been on the field more, but didn’t see the ball) since he could rest him with LenDale White.
From what everyone saw, a speed back in this system can be awesome.
If DMac only touches the ball 20 times a game, it’ll still be worth its weight in the W’s column.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I agree with 2 firsts and the depth in the tranches of this draft if a player is there that a team wants out of those 2 first rounders that we would get from dallas then we can pretty much pick our price and partner and pick a superstar who wants out to trade for
March 25th, 2008 at 11:55 am
dsm raider,
exactly…by picking Dmac…the Raider offense becomes unpreditable and dangerous. By having a player like Dmac who can be in an eye formation or in a split back formation or line up in the slot or as a Wide-out…it would help JMarcs transition and confidence. Kiffin and Knapp will ease DMac into the offense just like AP was splitting carries with Taylor. Dmac doesn’t need to carry the ball as a RB 30 times a game….but getting him 15 touches a game is the way to g…because his presence would keep defenses off balance….big time.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:57 am
dsmraider,
exactly….Kiffin and Knapp just need to give DMac 15-20 touches a game….and have those touches be mixed up as a RB…tailback….and slot/WR. Heck…Dmac can even used for some trickery pass plays where he can throw it.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
If you can have a top 15 defense with an explosive offense, you’ll win more games than you’ll lose every time.
There’s no need for us to work towards having a top 5 D because it won’t happen, but if we can get into the top 15 then we’ll be looking pretty good with a sharp offense.
If your offense can score 25 points a game and your D gives up 21 points a game, you should be looking pretty sharp.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am
The Raiders will pick D-Mac for sure. However if Dallas were to give us their 2 #1 and take Lil Stui I would have to reconsider.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Hey DSM.
My opinion is that the only way McFadden becomes such a great success is if he can break tackles on a consistant basis.
Otherwise, I say use the #4 pick on DLine and grab a speedy RB(with moves) later in the draft. Again, he is NOT the fastest nor the quickest back in this draft.
I’ve got nothing against the kid. To me he looks one dimensional in his running style. Maybe that’s because of the huge lanes he got to run through in college. And how many bandwagons will go empty when he puts the ball on the ground 8 times next year?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Although for some odd reason Kiffin didn’t utilize Bush as a decoy in the Rose Bowl against Texas, several other times he would line him up in the slot, have them both in the same backfield, etc.
Simply having Bush in the offense forced the D to account for both backs and thus White would get a huge gain up the gut.
Imagine a combo of DMac/Bush splitting carries in the 4th meanwhile O’Neal is battering and beating down the D.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
ok, guys put me down for Chris Long. Most of you say he will be gone before #4 but if Mcfaddy is as good as you say then I say Maccy will be gone & we’ll get Long. Some way AD is going to draft him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
compelling arguments in both directions what would be best for the team? a superstar RB, or a couple of first an Fa, or 2nd round pick? Which would we benefit most from? will Dmac mean 14 points a game? Will getting dmac give us a quick strike offense and force others to throw instead of run?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I read through all the opinions here about the draft and I must say that most comments have valid reasoning whether they are in support of d-line help or taking the RB at #4.
IMO the Raiders are sitting pretty no matter who they end up taking at #4, or in the event of a trade-down there are many very good options. The Raiders are in a no-lose scenario this draft. Absolutely fantastic!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
He did not have huge running lanes in college, that is a myth. He slipped through tiny holes in college because he has great vision and excellent pre-snap recognition. If that Arkansas line was so great against SEC defenses, that they have two first round backs then why haven’t you heard of any of them being drafted very high? McFadden made his linemen look better, he made Felix Jones look better, and he even masked the awful QB play to make Arkansas a great offensive team.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
The defense folded because we scored no TD’s. Everyone is overlooking what the Giant offense did to the Patsies. Yes the D put pressure on the Pats but Manning was the MVP, not Strahan
March 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Those of you who think D-Mac is overrated need to take a longer look at Howie’s boy. He played in a very weak conference at Virginia. He reminds me too much of Tyler Brayton and wasn’t that piece of garbage a #1 pick? AD is gonna pick D-Mac.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I agree with you M I dont want us to take McMac but if we did I couldnt wait to see if he plays the way we all think he can or if we go D line which is my preffered choice then I couldnt wait till the first game to see how many rush yards we give up ya know
March 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
none of the D-line players in the top of the draft would help stop the run for us next season, with the exception of Chris Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
O-line, D-line… ever my personal preference, as I have no trust that any RB is going to survive the pounding for very long sans injury.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
You don’t believe Dorsey could help stop the run??
March 25th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Jason Taylor is past his days. I only see him lasting 1 or 2 more years. So in 1 or 2 years we would be back to square 1. IMO we need to draft a good young D-lineman to complment the rest of our young Defense. If thats the case, we will be set for years to come. We would finally have a strong base defense from top to bottom. So when we draft next year we can have the luxury to draft the next AP or DMC or whoever the next best thing is. If we had the 6th ranked run D and the 26th ranked run offense then I would be all over DMC. Besides, we only have 2 DE.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I think Dorsey can stop the run I watched a lot of him and he did his thing my only thing aon Dorsey is injuries I dont want him to get injured or end up like a gerard warren or courtney brown I dont know I was hoping we would get him But injury questions concern me
March 25th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I don’t think AD will risk $20m on Dorsey after all those MRI’s. Even if he slides down the draft and has a productive career, its not worth the financial risk.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
It’s funny how Dorsey went from the top of the draft to being this injury prone player. Some team digs up he got hurt in the 6th grade and now everyone wants a second opinion.
That, my brothers, is draft politics!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Let’s play: What Would You Do If You Were Al Davis!
Here’s what I would do if I were Mr. Davis:
1. Extend Kiffin 1 year as a sign of faith.
2. Fire Rob Ryan.
3. Hire Jim Bates as defensive coordinator.
4. Stop trading our f***ing draft picks away.
5. Sign the best available all-around free agent DE to rotate with Richardson or Burgess.
6. Sign the most intelligent available veteran QB to mentor Russell and Walter.
7. Draft Jake Long or Chris Long or Vernon Gholston (in that order) with our 1st round pick.
8. Draft the best available WR or run-stopping OLB with our 4th-round pick, or DE or OT if a huge steal is available at the latter positions.
9. Draft BPA in rounds 6 and 7.
10A. If no DE drafted, sign best available FA pass rusher to rotate with Richardson (DE from step 4 would then be rotating with Burgess).
10B. Punch Mike Shanahan in the mouth.
You’re turn… go!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
—”Texans released C Steve McKinney
McKinney was scheduled to be backup after the team acquired Chris Myers last week, and the Texans, who have plenty of depth at center, felt $1.35 million was too much to pay a reserve. Both the team and McKinney seem amenable to working out a new deal, however. “I owe it to myself to test the market, but, truthfully, I’d like to come back here,” McKinney said.
Mar. 25 – 3:07 p.m. ET”—
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
oops Your
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Damn TrevJo!
You left nothing out!!
Maybe I would sign Kiffin to a life long contract after leaking that I was going to fire him this Sat.!!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Dorsey would sit behind Kelly and Warren on the depth chart. DT’s dont usually have a big impact their rookie seasons.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
AD is gonna take D-Mac and then find a way to get a 2nd rounder. With that pick he will get the best available DE. We had 11 rushing TD’s last season and 3 of them came from Culpepper. D-Mac will have that many alone next year. AD knows he can’t pass on him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Trading Rhodes, Fabian Washington and god-willing Derrick Burgess will get us the 2nd and 3rd rounders we need to fill out the D-line roster. Then we can all be happy: McFadden in the first, Red Bryant in the 2nd, Kendall Langford in the 3rd, Brian Johnston in the 4th.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
BBB
That would work for me
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
No one is going to trade for Rhodes. I doubt anyone will trade a 3rd for Washington. Trading Burgess would be ‘08 suicide.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Either way we go, you all have to admit we sound like a bunch of little kids in a candy store. I am very excited about this coming year for RAIDER FOOTBALL….I’m in…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
That would work for me except for trading burgess for draft picks why would you trade a proven pro bowl veteran for a 2nd or 3rd rounder who will net us an unproven rookie who may or may not make it id trade burgess for another Vet that wil lhelp us now or a package to get another pick in the first
March 25th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
keeping Burgess at Stong-side DE is 08 suicide.
Rhodes had two 100-yard games at the end of the season, has won a superbowl, and just re-structured his contract to a reasonable price, and you dont think anybody would want him??
Washington can get a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd; he is very young, with starting experience, and all-pro speed, that is more than can be said about all of the 2nd round CB prospects in this draft.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Why the hell would we trade Burgess? What happens if Fargas goes down again and Michael Bush isn’t ready? Trade Washington, Justin Griffith and Lamont Jordan to somehow get a 2nd round pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
And please somehow get Lil Stui Schweigert off this team. I don’t think I can take another year with the worst football player in NFL history.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
You guys are failing to understand that this team did not get a number of rushing TDs in large part due to the poor QB play. JMcCown and DC were turnovers waiting to happen. (Barry Sims was a false start, -5yds, waiting to happen.)
This team was Top 5 in rushing offense man. Top 5 for crying out loud! What about that says draft RB? This love infactuation w/ DMcFadden is beyond belief. Enough to make the fans of a Top 5 ranking rushing offense go senile and draft a RB with the 1st pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Anthos,
If we could trade Burgess for another vet DE that would be ideal. Either way we need to start the process of replacing Burgess this season, because he was the #2 reason (after Sapp) that our run defense was so bad last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Al Davis is senile …ha ..you guys are the one’s that senile. Beyond belief.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Terrapin,
JaMarcus “death star” Russell wont be that much better next year. Getting McFadden is a way to take the pressure off of Russell while he is still learning. I will agree though that our biggest problem with scoring last year was false starts.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Good luck Terrapin.
I think someone has already got their tattoo of McFadden in S&B.
Fill the trenches!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I’ll kiss everyone’s buts in here if they draft DMcFadden but they won’t so i’m not even faintly concerned about anyone collecting on that promise.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Trev jo…
nice, I would have no problem with that!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
do you guys think, Steve McKinney could join us, he isn’t the long term answer, but he did some good work under gary kubiak, they run the same scheme as us…
March 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Since we landed Hall and Wilson to complement Aso and Huff I have a strange feeling other teams are going to be looking to do a lot of running against a poor run stopping Defense.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Terrapin…make sure you are on here Monday April 28th cuz D-Mac will be a Raider.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
It’s not over yet GRIM.
Our secondary is suspect and had to be addressed. Now they go after stopping the run from the inside. I can’t wait to see what “crazy ‘ol Al” pulls off next.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
LMN – I don’t know much about McKinney but I’m always a little weary of getting someone else’s hand-me-downs. Houston decided to upgrade for a reason.
BBB – Dude, again, Top 5 Rushing Offense. What makes you think JRussell will not already have run support? Man, the stuff you guys make up to justify the pick is obsurd.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
To post 498 we will listen to you since you know alot more than the people who get payed to know what you think you know C-LONG not being good give me a break he is a stud it’s in his blood by the way change you’r name ad a # do something.With that said we will draft Gholston
March 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Raider4Life – nah …i prob won’t be here for a few days thereafter. I’ll take some time to heal cause I’ll be sorely depressed.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Here’s what Dmac can bring to the Raiders…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LNhOo0WRoO4
March 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Burgess ain’t happy…he has wanted a new contract since last year….trade the man while he still has value.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Terrapin,
I was once a skeptic about McFadden just like you. I was all for the drafting of Ellis/Dorsey/Long until I started watching some clips of McFadden (as I missed most of the college season studying for a licensing exam). While I would still like to get Chris Long, I think McFadden could be explosive in this offense under Lane Kiffin, paired up with Bush and JaMarcus “death star” Russell. If we end drafting McFadden he will change your mind by the end of pre-season.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
they need to get a 3rd or 4th for Fabian and I think they can.
they have to search for trade partners for Jordan and Rhodes.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
BBB, it’s all wishful thinking on your part.
No one other than us cared that Rhodes was part of a Super Bowl winning team. The Colts wasted no time phasing him out after they traded Edge. One good game in our highly-ranked rush offense is not going to boost his stock a lot. This league is loaded with decent RBs and that’s all Rhodes is.
Burgess is fine at his DE spot. We do need someone bigger that we can rotate in on obvious rushing downs, though. If we trade Burgess we have ZERO pass rush left on the roster.
There’s no chance Washington could get a 2nd round pick from anyone. He’s tiny, and the Raiders tipped their hand as to their opinion of him by putting him behind Routt and then giving up a lot to get Hall. Considering that he is best-suited to be a man-to-man DB, and we are one of the few teams that relies on m-t-m a lot, we’d be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Terrapins right on this one guys. + the fact that you have a healthy Mike Bush tanned, rested, and ready. By drafting MCFadden, what does that tell Fargas who you just resigned, Rhodes who restructered his deal downward and Mike Bush who has worked his ASS off to get into the rotation???
Taking the BPA is an excellent draft philosophy when you are already a winning program. When you have as many holes to fill as the Raiders do on both sides of the ball, it’s preposterous. I mean if you are going to do that, why not draft Matt Ryan????
March 25th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Didn’t everyone say Girrlery was a “beast” and a “can’t miss” pick? Just because a guys dad was great doesn’t make him great. Chris Long might be the next Howie or he might be the next Tyler Brayton. He is much more of a gamble than D-Mac. Who knows if Fargas comes back 100% and if Bush will ever be ready.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Hey Turtle: As for your comment about our top 5 rushing offense:
Actually the rushing offense was #6 and this was based off on yards per game.
Look at another stat in avg yard per carry: We were ranked 13th with 4.1 the fourth most attempts.
As for TD’s we were ranked 18th.
And I bet you thought the ‘06 Defense was just amazing didn’t you?
March 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Q,
Burgess is awful, I cant wait for the Raiders to unload him on another team. Al Davis made Burgess’ career and how does he thank him, by pouting about a new contract with 2 years left on his old one. Get some picks or players for that piece of trash while we still can.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
BBB,
His sack production has declined every year….this year will be no different…he is undersized and one-dimensional…his value will get no higher than it is now…..TRADE him!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Trevjo- Indy didn’t trade Edge and we didn’t give up a lot for Hall.
Edge was signed as FA and we only gave up a 2nd and next year 5th.
If I can trade away a 2nd round pick and next year’s 5th for a 24 year old Pro Bowler, hell yes. Every time.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Speaking of Matt Ryan, did any of you read that article about him talking about Busch saying he still talks to him and Busch telling him how hes chomping at the bit to be able to get in there and show em what hes got? I personally cant wait to see what he’s got…..o.k. that didn’t sound right but you all know what I mean.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Remember that Howie Long played in a weak conference for Villanova and was a second round pick. Though I want to draft McFadden, I just wanted to help the opposing train of thought in case my 1st choice is gone. Chris Long is a quality FB player with great tools. With that said
The Raiders with the 4th pick in the draft select
Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
March 25th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
DSM, where I would back up Terrapin on the rush O was opposing teams knew we were gonna run. That was our stated philosophy, no one was frightened of our QB’s or WR’s or TE’s so, the deck was stacked against us and we still ran the ball fairly well. That’s not going to be quite so obvious this year with Jam one year in Kiff’s system and running the O.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Please Mr fumble we have a better prospect in Bush why take a gamble on Mcfadden we need speed on defense C-LONG or GHOLSTON have that and more their both a physical presence on D line them up on day 1 and watch them go with Mcfadden you might bring tension to a good a backfield
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
About McFadden, I don´t know if you guys agree but here´s the way I see it.
I just can´t remember a guy like him before and I don´t mean it as a compliment, more like a talented enigma.
I can´t think of any RB that you would compare and say, look at him, he´s the next…you name it.
In fact, the closest comparison I can think of a current NFL RB in terms of the PRODUCTION he could achieve would be Brian Westbrook.
Totally different body types and styles, Westbrook being compact, strong and with great moves while McFadden is taller, leaner and more of a speed back but I said production, not styles.
Ideally, you would prefer to compliment each of them with a stronger, powerful more traditional RB. The point is, Westbrook as a pure RB is not what you would desire, neither is McFadden.
I guess you could best describe them as all-around weapons that consistently come up with big plays, That´s where their value is.
You won´t get a 350 carry 1500 yrd. back out of them but you´ll get a 250, 1200 yd back who wll catch 60 or 70 balls for another 700 or 800 yds and double digit TD´s combined.
That´s something neither 28 yr. old Fargas nor 29 yr. old Rhodes can provide. And guys, we are set at RB for 08 but what about beyond next season?. Will those two even be on the team at this time next year? McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Stop the run, pressure the QB, run the ball.
We can already do 1 of the 3.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
All you D-Mac haters need to sit down and watch this guy. You will all be crying when he is a Pro Bowler for the Jets. When was the last time Michael Bush even played in a game??? 2+ years? Fargas was good, but he too is injury prone. D-Mac will be the best RB for the Raiders since Marcus.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Sure Burgess’s sack’s were down, but wasnt he hurt half the year? And didnt we stick Clemmons in there and he got like 8 sacks in his place? Or do I have my facts mixed up?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Terrapin…
I hear ya, on the hand me down argument, but if others hand me downs is an upgrade to us, then why not? I still doubt Grove, and Newberry was good, but he was to easy to read IMHO
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I understand the rushing offense did this when the did knew they were going to run w/o a reliable QB or WR’s.
I also can see a 1,400 yard 10 TD season by Fargas with a QB and WR’s.
However, I can see DMac getting 2,000 + yards both rushing & receiving in this offense in addition to the most important number, 15 or more TD’s.
TD’s win games guys, not rushing for 100 + yards.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Grim, you mean Brian Brohm?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
BBB, you’ve made your real opinion quite clear. You are just mad at Burgess for complaining about his contract. But the guy still has 35 sacks in the last 3 years. Here’s how many sacks the rest of our roster has in their CAREERS:
Gerard Warren 26
Tommy Kelly 13
William Joseph 7
Gibril Wilson 6
Terdell Sands 2
Kirk Morrison 2
Robert Thomas 2
Nnamdi Asomugha 2
Sam Williams 1
Thomas Howard 1
Josh Shaw 1
Jay Richardson 1
Stanford Routt 1
Rashad Baker 1
Michael Huff 1
DeAngelo Hall 0.5
Outside of Warren, who is probably not even going to start, the rest of the rest of the roster barely has as many sacks in their CAREERS as Burgess does in 3 years. Yeah, good idea, let’s get rid of him. While we’re at it, let’s get rid of JaMarcus Russell too. Who cares if we need his skills, wasn’t he squabbling about his contract last year? And hey, we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him! Brilliant!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Chris Long is going to be an excellent pro. Doubtful he will be there at 4 tho. I can’t say I am a big Dmac fan, but boy he looks a lot like Marcus Allen.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The Raiders need to address the run defence, and pass protection part of their team,,We cannot stop the run, 3rd and 4th string running backs run thru our defence like it is nothing,,,our run defence makes all nfl backs look like Barry Sanders ..Then the pass protection, heck the only way for the quaterback to have time to look down field is to roll out on passing downs,,Out of all these years of being a poor football team, have lots of early draft picks, signing free agent after free agent,the raiders still have a defence that cannot stop the run, and oline that cannot protect the passer,,, Yet big Al Davis wants to talk about throwing deep, how in the world are we throwing deep when the qb is running for his life,,
I have been a raiders fan since 1968, we have done a terrible job in the draft, and are wasting money on over the hill free agents,,Here we are in our 5th straight year of 11 losses or more,we had how many top picks when we traded our head coach jon gruden to tampa bay, now the last five years of lots of early picks, yet we are still addressing the same needs, same holes as every year,
Some body up top needs to be fired, we need some body in there who knows the game and wants to get this team turned around,,
March 25th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Oh and that was not my case for McFadden, like I said before, I´m on the fence but it´s rather my take on what this guy´s production might be, for us or for someone else.
I might be way off, but I have been trying to figure that kid out for a while and that´s the best I can come up with.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Bob Marley- In a way he reminds me of Robert Smith from Ohio State and the Viqueens. Both have similar builds, however DMac is faster.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I agree with Terrapin- our biggest problem last year was QB play- i still cant believe there are People calling themselves Raiders Fans who think losing McClown was a loss- and think Kiffin doesnt have room to improve- his play calling was pathetic at times- I think kiffin has alot to learn before we’re an elite team again- especially his immature ego in messing with the boss and in making too quick a judgement in sidelining players- I hope he grew up alot this off season…..our recievers were getting open last year and it seems noone could hit them for anything but 6 yard plays- I think we had the fewest long passing plays in the league- I still cant believe we wasted so much damn time on McClown- with the only possible upside is so our idiot immatre coach could have someone he wasnt afraid of around- and then on top of it- the coaches pet bails on him!!- All of you Al Davis haters are clueless – we are lucky to have one of the few owners who cares about football more than money or pencils or oil refineries or whatever— anyway i still hope kiffin stays- and grows up- and quits taking things personally when hes dealing with atheletes making 5 times as much as he is
March 25th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
DSM – bro ..you qoute those stats without and you don’t consider the fact that the rushing attack faced an 8 man front almost every freakin down? (Hint: Bad QB play contributed mightly.) In light of that I’ll say this rushing O is clearly amoung the best in the league. Imagine that same attack w/ compenents at QB and WR that can stretch the field and they do. The stats would be banannas. And this team still needs a RB?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Drafting McFadden doesn’t mean we are neglecting the D-Line. It doesn’t have to be a one or the other proposition. Read Marley’s post regarding McFadden, he could be a special type of playmaker, that would compliment our current stable of backs. After taking McFadden we can address D-line in the rest of the draft, although I believe our D-line will be much better this year (addition by subtraction) without Sapp and (hopefully) Burgess.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Turtle- Like I stated in post 555, Fargas isn’t going to provide Marshall Faulk like numbers, EVER.
DMac could provide those type of numbers and the most important stat of them all, TD’s.
Fargas will be a reliable back with a good QB and WR’s, but DMac can provide an explosiveness that we don’t have.
I have a feeling we are going back to the late ’70’s and we won’t have a first round pick after this year for a few years via trades to stock up.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Dogg,
You still out there? I read your eight or nine posts crying about the Fisher call…come on man, Fisher is 400 years old, if Ellis breathed on him there should have been a foul called, lol.
No, I agree that was a bad call, should have been a no-call. Both players made contact. But it made up for the bad call against Kobe when Beard charged into the lane with elbows flying, so the game never should have been in overtime.
And remember, the Lakers were ahead by two when they made the Fisher call, so there was certainly no guarantee that the Warriors would have won.
I’ll take a match up with the Warriors any day of the week. With Gasol and Bynum in the middle the Warriors’ out of control drives in the lane will be shut down and they will be forced to live and die with the three. Lakers in 5. Warriors win one game when they get hot from the outside, but that is it folks.
DRAFT MCFADDEN!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Terrapin -
How many yards did the team rush for in 3rd quarter/4th quarter when we should have been passing? I think our rush stats are padded late in games because Kiff was afraid to put our QBs’ health at risk.
I think the stats could be artificial, kind of like the Defense last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
GRIM…
who the H is this Busch you are talking about?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Trevjo is right in the fact that pass rushers don’t just fall out the sky every three minutes. We could put Ed Reed and Antoine Winfield back there WITH OUR 4 OTHER GUYS and if a QB is standing there with 4 seconds it’s not gonna matter. They’re gonna get picked apart. Pass rush has been a major major problem for Oakland for years. Trading your best pass rusher is probably not the solution to that. Adding pass rushers is.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I think all these DMac haters were the same clowns who hated on AP last year as well. Correct fellas?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Davis has already let it slip out that he intends to address areas of need in this years draft which is defensive line, they are already stocked at running back with 2 fullbacks and 3 tailbacks, Mcfadden won’t be the pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
TrevJo,
sacks is not a very important stat for a defense that got run on like they weren’t even there. Who cares how many sacks Burgess got, when every single play that he wasn’t sacking the QB they were running the ball to the strong-side and he was already behind the play doing nothing. Burgess is not a great football player, if the games were decided by overall sack count, then maybe we keep him, otherwise he cant stop the run.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
15 TD’s???
This is based off of highlight vids on youtube?
How about a highlight video of his 23 fumbles?
He does’nt even have the best highlight video either!! HAHAHAHAHA
March 25th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hey Patches, don’t forget about everyone’s favorite runing back- Joe!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
McFadden is not as good as AP, but he is much healthier and is very talented in his own right. McFadden will make Russell’s job much easier.
This is our big board as I see it:
Chris Long
McFadden
Dorsey
Gholston
Jake Long
S. Ellis
March 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Im not a DMAC hater at all, I just think our glaring need is on the D-line and not the offensive backfield. If you cant stop the other team from scoring you’re not going to win football games…period. Like I said before, look how many times last year we lost games in the fourth quarter because we couldnt stop the other team from scoring. Thats all we needed was 1 stop.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Now you sound like AL DAVIS draft Mcfadden for his speed thats it. He fumbles all the time cant break tackles got caught from behind by a linebacker yeah he’s fast. Running without pads is nothing throw the pads on see what you got. Let some other team deal with him i thought we were set at running back FARGAS & RHODES an occasional BUSH what more do you want.Sorry we need to stop the run not stock up on runners we already have
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Marley bro …gotta disagree there….McFadden bears no resemblance to Westbrook – none. You even said it, Westbrook has the moves, McFadden doesn’t. Thats a huge problem in my book for a RB. He’s pure speed as I see it. Might as well draft Chris Johnson.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Youre right, it was Brohm.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
AP is classes over McFadden… McFaddens legs stops when he hits contact..McFadden looks like Bush, I was agains bush too..
It’s not that we think McFadden is bad, he is just not worth a # 4th. And there are better players available and those players even fill needs, its a win-win… If we draft McFadden its only Mcfadden who wins, he wins a ton of doe, and we will lose hi scoring games…
March 25th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Half of you guys say C Long might be a bust & half say he won’t be there at #4? Half say McFaddy is the greatest pick on the board, then why won’t he be gone before #4?
Trade Burress? that’s crazy!! package a trade of sweigert/Wash/Huff for picks.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
LMN,
I guess if we draft Glenn Dorsey then we will automatically win a bunch of low-scoring games and we wont pay him a dime? Money will be the same for whoever we draft, it is slotted.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
We need Gholston with over 25 tackles behind the line thats how you stop the run
March 25th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14412-Oakland_Raiders-In_Defense_of_Gholston_s_Raiders_Career-240308
March 25th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Alright dude I give up ….you have officially gone off the bridge. You’re on a slippery slope my friend.
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DSM Raider Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I understand the rushing offense did this when the did knew they were going to run w/o a reliable QB or WR’s.
I also can see a 1,400 yard 10 TD season by Fargas with a QB and WR’s.
However, I can see DMac getting 2,000 + yards both rushing & receiving in this offense in addition to the most important number, 15 or more TD’s.
TD’s win games guys, not rushing for 100 + yards.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Why are all you asssuming Michael Bush will even play this season? Guy hasn’t played one down in the NFL and you all have him being a force. Fargas has never played a full season as the main guy. Rhoades is almost 30. Yeah we are set at RB MAYBE this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Nobody is gonna trade for Schweiggy…not even in a package deal…he has no value.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
McFadden: 38 games, 41 TDs, 785 carries, 38 kick returns, 9 LOST fumbles.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Someone please explain to me why we would keep Burgess past next season. If we get rid of him this year we can get some value for him, and start grooming his successor. We want to get younger on defense, not keep aging players that have seen their production drop for three straight years.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
What scares me about Gholston is every time Ohio State plays an SEC team they get the shit beat out of them.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
LMN- did I throw you off with improper spelling? His first name is MIKE. Does that give you a hint? My bad.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
RaiderTW…You have a better chamce of winning the lottery than finding a team stupid enough to take Lil Stui. That bi*ch couldn’t make a girls 8 & older underwater basket weaving team.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I think stuey will still spend every Sunday at the H.O.T. next season, but he will be wearing a Michael Huff jersey and cheering the team on from Mt. Davis.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Turtle- What, the numbers for Fargas are ridiculous?
If DMac rushes for 1,300 yards and has 700 yards receiving, then that’s 2,000 yards.
15 + TD’s, that’s another very possible stat. Look at Clinton Portis with Denver when he rushed for over 1,500 yards and also had 15 TD’s. In addition he caught the ball for 300 yards receiving and we know he’s not much of a threat there.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Wow, according to this site, Michael Bush never fumbled in college, is this true?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=149846
March 25th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Gholston looks like the real deal….sure the Raiders brass is picking Jay Richardson’s brain for info on Gholston. Does anyone think he is a better prospect than Mario Williams was coming out of the draft?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Come on Dakota.
Dropping the rock 15 times in 1 season is OK as long as your team fields it?
You guys are like fans of a heavyweight boxer that has tremendous knockout power but keeps getting knocked out and losing.
There will be plenty of action with Russell, Miller, Walker, Bush, Curry, Fargas, Carter…
I want to see the D kill the QB!! Period.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Yeah and Michael Bush has never fumbled in the pros either.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Patches, Gholston is only one player….can’t put the blame on him for faltering against the SEC.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Thats the thing, we are set a RB for this year. But as far as D-line, thats not the case.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Here’s a transcript from Lane Kiffin’s season ending press conference:
Q: Does the system you run make it less likely to have a marquee name in the backfield?
Kiffin: We’ll never just try to find a big name… But that being said, that doesn’t mean that there’s not a big name guy that’s a really good player that we’re not going to go after because we don’t need a big name guy because anybody can run in the system. No. Anybody can’t run in the system. Some guys can be effective and then some guys can be even more effective and be great players in the system…….
I think we can all agree that the biggest marquee Running back name in college is Darren Mcfadden. So for everyone on here claiming that D-Mac is just an Al Davis favorite, think again. Sounds like Kiffin himself expressed an interest in Mcfadden and debunked all of the detractors on here saying that we have ‘Good Enough’ players for our system.
Oh and for the record, Mcfadden doesn’t just run well. He can pass pretty damn good too. Having him on the field is like having two quarterbacks on the field at once. The Raiders will finally be able to get upgrade our often predictable offense and leave opposing defenses constantly guessing and on their heels. But in the words of ‘Reading Rainbow’… Don’t just take my word for it…Take a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI
March 25th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Dakota,
check out this clip on you tibe of Michael Bush getting stripped on a run, and holding on to the ball with one hand like a f’in vice grip, craziest thing I have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgoFCkqK2iE
March 25th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Terp
Like I said, I meant from a production stand point, that´s it, numbers if you will.
McFadden could be that guy who carries a permanent bullseye everytime he steps into the field, we don´t have one.
The guy that his coaches enjoy gameplannig about ways to get him the ball in the open field and opposing coaches worry about gameplanning how to stop you from doing just that.
Again, we don´t have one of those and it would be a big help for everyone else on offense if we did.
And like I said before too, you can´t count on the 28 yr. old Fargas and the 29 yr.old Rhodes to even be with the team at this point next year. McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
McFadden is so dimentional, we haven’t seen his skills at RB since Bo! He can hit hole fast, get to the outside, line up at receiver and take a pitch for a pass. If there, we can’t pass on him and we can trade Rhodes/Jordan. We have DB’s, etc that we can look to trade too. We also have Huggybear Jr to carry the ball with him.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Bush was already running last season in practice i can assume the coaches know what they got in him.With Mcfadden it’s a crap shoot if Bush was better before getting hurt give him a shot what do you lose his salary is nothing to what you would pay Mcfadden.So draft Gholston we dont have any one on our team like him and pay him instead.Watch him go ape sh!t on opposing Q/B’s
March 25th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Raider4life #598 I have to admit, that was pretty funny.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
It pains me to say it but we would improve more this year by drafting Gholston or another D-liner over DMac-who i love. wait till next draft and get a running back in the second round then to go with Bush. None of the real top teams have sensational running backs- NE, IND,NY,DAL. Its the struggling teams which have the feature backs-STL, MIA, SF, KAN
Take Gholston this draft next year take a good prospect in the 2nd round
March 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Gholston looks like a really intriguing prospect, but he also looks like a steroid investigation waiting to happen.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
DSM
Robert Smith was a good one and I can see the similarities but he wasn´t much of a pass catcher, even if he played some WR in college, which I think I rmemeber him doing, he never caught more than 37 passes in a season. Maybe it´s the way the coaches wanted it but still one would think he should have caught a lot more than that and I think McFadden would.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
IF Michael Bush can be the same guy he was as a junior in college and IF Fargas comes back 100% MAYBE then we don’t need D-Mac. Nobody knows how good Bush is gonna be. Passing on D-Mac would be a huge mistake that will costs us for years.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Raider4life, Fargas doesn’t have hardly any mileage on him, and the same with Rhodes. Both these guys have backed up for years and they are now in their primes. In the last game Mike Bush played against an SEC opponent, he carried the ball 17 times for 125+ yards and THREE TD’S, all in ONE HALF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think he isn’t itching to get back on a field??? He’s not a 180lb scat back, he’s 245!! He’s bigger and stronger than our LB’s for crissakes!! And he’s been cleared to play, he’s ready to go, he wants to go, why wouldn’t he succeed??? I guess he could always trip and fall over a McDonalds wrapper and hurt himself.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
“darkknight01 Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I think all these DMac haters were the same clowns who hated on AP last year as well. Correct fellas?”
Wrong, I thought AP was going to be awesome. The only concern I had with AP at all was his durability. AP is an extremely physical back who runs people over like a freight train. McFadden is a pure speed guy, there’s no comparison.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I dont think Gholston will have steroid issues. The NCAA has strict testing policies so I think he should be good. The kid is a beast though
March 25th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491 You are insane if you think McFadden does not run well, check out the important stats in the Draft Scout Snapshot paragraph.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
BART,
That was impressive, thanks for the clip. I can see why fumbling is not a problem for Bush.
It will take a miracle for a player to come back anywhere near 100% after sitting out of football for two years, but we can hope, right?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
here, here, Oakglenn!! we’re set at RB. As always, we need to stop the run!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Today is McFadden’s pro day.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Look at the schedule that Louisville played while Bush was there. No wonder Bush never fumbled. Almost could be classified a Div 2
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Let’s pass on McFadden and draft another defensive player that can be wasted through the poor coaching of Rob Ryan. That really gets my blood boiling! Don’t you guys see what a waste that would be?
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Well put Oakglenn the kid is hungry to get in there produce 2 good years and get a pay raise.Dont gamble on Mcfadden when you have a least expensive same type player on you’r roster already.Nobody knows how good Mcfadden will be either why waste a pick draft the BEAST
March 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Quagmire’d I can’t say I would put Gholston up there with Mario Williams as a prospect. You’re talking about 6′4″ 264# vs 6′6″ 293#. Gholston is a bit faster and did out-bench Williams at the combine. But when you factor in his size also, Williams is a once-a-decade type freak athlete.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I cannot wait to see Mike Bush this season.
Teams better be ready or they’re gonna get run over!
O’Neal destroys the LB, Bush decapitates the DB!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bottom line is we don’t know how Bush will play. If he is the same stud he was then great go get the best DL. I’m tired of wasted #1 picks like Girrlery, Fabian, Tyler Brayton, Buchanan, Gibson, the list goes on and on. The most important thing by far this season tho is………………………………………………getting rid of Lil Stui Schweigert the worst player in NFL history! If I have to watch one more game with every guy and their dogs running over this piece of crap I’m gonna puke.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
The only way I can see the team drafting McFadden is if Bush doesn’t show up in camp and they lose confidence in him. Otherwise, spending that much doe on McFadden is senseless.
Another senseless move as it currently stands is trading Burgess (unless u get a WHOLE LOT!). ONLY 2 DEs are on the roster – 2~! And only 1 is a bona fide pass rusher – 1~! You guys are makin me laugh at this stuff.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
The question with bush is not wether he can run- that should be a given- he was running at the end of this last season- the question is wether when he takes the first real hit on that leg- if their will be any motion at the site of the repaired fracture- It was internally fixed- ie had a rod- the rod moved- he had it redone- their may have been some radiographic evidence of micro-motion at the internal fixation- bone builds around the fracture site over time- and remodels- its been 12 months plus since the second ORIF or open reduction with internal fixation- we will see how he does with pounding on the leg- I bet it will be fine- maybe painful initiallty but fine- as long as he stays in overall football conditioning and has the desire to be on the field
March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Dakota, Rob Ryan sucks for sure, but on the other hand, if we do draft defense and Ryan still messes it up, maybe Al will see the light and fire him!! Makes me smile just to think about it.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Raider4life,
I beg to differ. The most important thing for the Raiders is to fire Rob Ryan and see if some of these high defensive draft picks, even Stu, can be salvaged with a decent coach.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Bring back Kenny King!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Lets keep Stui and show the D/B’s how not to play then we wont have to worry about Rob Ryan coaching them just say dont do like Stui and thats it
March 25th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
On the other hand…and with C. Long and Gholston gone..
McFadden does carry the risk of turning out a huge bust that´s out of the league in 4 seasons…..while a guy like Ellis should be an above average 10 year starter at DT, not exactly Hayneworth but at least you have something to show for.
It´s up to the team anyways, but as usual an interesting discussion to have.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I will buy everyone a nice cold one if they would PLEAE GET RID OF LIL STUI SCHWEIGERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
This is a bit of an exaggeration, but it’s like OK, your defense sucks, you have Bo Jackson, and Marcus Allen and you want to draft Jerome Bettis instead of Howie Long, or your defense sucks you have Jerry Rice and John Taylor and Brent Jones, and you want to draft Issac Bruce, not Bruce Smith. To me, Dmac is going to be a very very good player. The problem is last year we spent 5 of our first 6 pix on offense, and we have obvious defensive problems on the line. You’re going to take Dmac or Matt Ryan????? I don’t know about that.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Haynesworth is sitting out camp this week and his wife is divorcing him.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
you can’t predict who will be bust with any accuracy, saying that Ellis will be a 10-year starter, is just as subjective as saying that McFadden will be a superstar.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
SI reported Al Davis was infacutated with D-Mac – Coach Kif was asked on Sirus radio who did he like in the draft coming up, he chuckled and said that Darren Mcfadden kid is pretty good…
Chris Long will be gone by the time we pick..
Vernon Gholston Vs D-mac
Do youll really think Mr Al Davis is going to pick Vernon Gholston over D-mac???
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Ryan,J-Long,Mcfadden,then what ever we want that should be the order in witch it happens but who know’s
March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Gholston, DMAC, LONG, Dorsey, Ellis…the suspence is killing me.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I would give the #4 pick in the draft to any team that will take Lil Stui off our hands.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Chris Long is the only sure thing in this draft. If he gets to play DE in a 4-3 defense he will be in the HOF. He has the motor, the desire, the work ethic and the skills to dominate in the NFL.
Too bad for the Phins that they play in a 3-4, and that is why they will be forced to select Jake Long or Matt Ryan after they realize no one is going to trade up for the #1 pick.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
DoeDoe,
I think Al might pick Gholston over DMAC. Gholston is a combine superfreak/workout warrior. DMAC is more Kiffin’s choice.
March 25th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
rob ryan was forced to adapt to sapp’s wishes, i think our defense will be much better over next two years with more 3-4 looks and more blitzing with GW now that our corners are set–
we cant go wrong with any of the top six guys — ad we cant go wrong trading down for depth across the lines-
Everyone forgets the superbowl team was THE OLDEST team in the league– we have almost noone left xcept Janikowski and lechler– it makes complete sense that it would take the longest time to fix the oldest team—- plus we had horrendous schedules the last three years– all of this is changing – so I am very optimistic- KC is done, denver had serious injuritis last year, but i think we improved more by far, and SD is worse off
March 25th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Folks…I can see we are see debating the RB question…or “situation”…AGAIN…yes, we DO need to grab a fresh set of legs to “eventually” pair with Michael Bush in the backfield…of the future..hmmm how about Chris Johnson from ECU ? I have heard others talking him up here…and what intrigues me most about him..is the fact that he caught a huge amount of passes down the field…which is something we could certainly use since we are very shallow at WR, with prospects that have speed and can actually hang onto or catch the ball. Chris Johnson can be our one, two, punch of the future, with Michael Bush. Like Reggie Bush…Johnson can line up as a wide out…he is the most intriguing top 5 RB other than Ray Rice to me.
Again…I would hate to throw top 5 money at a RB…and would much rather “risk” it on an Offensive Tackle or Defensive lineman.
Chris Johnsons’ speed 4.24 ? certainly puts him smack in the middle of ADs radar!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Were actually having a great debate with no personal attacks, this is great!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Gholston is a Davis kind of guy a freak a beast Al wants to punish the opposing offense this year and it will happen.Look at the AFC west all good running backs with know one to stop them not any more look out here comes the PAIN
March 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Phins: Matt Ryan
Rams: Jake Long
Falcons:Chris Long
Raiders: D-mac
OR
Phins: Matt Ryan
Rams: Jake Long
Jets: D-mac
Raiders: Chris Long
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
GRIM…
It wasn’t meant like that, I couldn’t find, head or tail in your post. If its Michael Bush, sorry, but then I cant understand what you talked about, Michael Bush and Matt Ryan, didn’t go to the same school did they?
wasn’t it Brian Brohm?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
If you knew Mike Bush, Mike is one of the most competitive guys you’ll ever meet!!! He’s a very, very smart kid. One thing I can tell all of you guys is I’m not overly worried about Mike Bush coming in and competing at a high level. The question you have to ask is whether our needs surpass our desires?? I think they do. to me we have EXTREME NEEDS on the defensive line!!! Extreme needs!!!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
NFL Network is showing the Colts Raiders 1977 playoff game right now. Just FYI.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Chris Long played for a team that also gets the shit beat out of them by the SEC schools, I would be leary of him.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
BBB,
Chris Long, D-Mac, Vernon Gholston
No matter who it may be i’ll be more than happy – I can make an argument for each one of these players on why we should pick 1 over the other
March 25th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
BBB
Yes, I can predict a bust, wether I´m correct remains to be seen, right?.
I only said there is a greater risk that McFadden does not live up to expectations than there is of Ellis not living up to his, simply because McFadden´s are much greater.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Ellis is the safest pick in the top 5.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
If Bush can play like he did in college and Fargas comes back 100% together with Rhoades we would have a three headed monstor. I would have no problem with that and go ahead and draft Gholston, Long or Ellis.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
LMN- yes it was brohm. But thats what I get for drinking at 1pm.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
2005 USC vs Arkansas 70-12 McFadden was no factor with 88 yards rushing.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Fair enough Bob.
But then if McFadden’s expected production is higher than that of Ellis’, shouldn’t we take McFadden.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
We have the most value at our pick than the first 3.We might just trade it who knows maybe pick up Early Doucet get J-MAC comfortable then maybe even Trevor Laws
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
My opinion of RB Situation
We will draft McFadden
D. Rhodes= Non factor
M Bush= A huge question mark obviously, if he pans out and is a productive player, we pair him with McFadden for perhaps one of the best, most versatile 1-2 punches in the league. We could then just trade or cut Fargas in a year or two, small contract, wouldn’t be a big deal, he’d be over 30 anyways.
If Bush never really gets healthy/productive, then just pair Fargas with McFadden for a few years, we would still be in very good shape.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
eyepatch,
Arkansas had to throw the ball that whole game because they were behind by so much, of course McFadden’s running stats were low.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
1977, the year instant replay was invented. The Superbowl should have been Dallas vs Oakland.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
McFadden is all they had.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Eyepatch,
Watch last year’s LSU/Arkansas game.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
i think if we take a DT or DE in the first, we should get a MLB in the fourth or earlier if we can trade someone– who do you guys like at run stuffing LB that might be available at the fourth?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I think we go Center in round 4. Sullivan from ND would be nice.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I watched it live.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Dakota, you do realize that Chris Long was a 3-4 DE in college, right?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
i hope we sign newberry back or get the guy from texas who knows zone blocking
March 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
# Just Win Baby Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Since Al Davis is so senile and has lost his mind and such, who gets credit for all the wins we will chalk up in 08?
……….
Al Davis. For all two of them…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Keith Rivers is also a good pick if we trade out of #4 he would plug his gap with the twins on the outside Howard and Morrison sorry but i like the twins sounds good
March 25th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Round 4 there are also some nice DE’s available:
Kendall Langford 6′6″ 290 lbs.
Brian Johnston, wasn’t invited to the combine but had incredible numbers at his pro-day.
Jason Jones, DT/DE hybrid that had a good senior bowl
March 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
BBB
I´m stiil a bit on the fence but assuming the DE´s are gone, as of now I say hell yes, take a chance with McFadden´s potential, you can find above average starting DT´s elsewehere and easier than you can find a McFadden-like weapon.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Trevjo,
Yes, he played out of position because his coach asked him too. He is a OLB in a 3-4. Imagine his numbers if he had played in a 4-3.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Eyepatch- You are forgetting DMac was coming back from his toe injury in that game so of course he wasn’t a factor.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I would go with Beau Bell from UNLV. I know I’ve said it a few times in here but this guy is a monster. I live in Las Vegas and I’ve seen him play. Sure, UNLV is a terrible team but this guy was defensive player of the year in the MWC. I say put him in the middle and move Morrison outside. Our LB’s would be complete. This guy has a motor.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Gholston vs Merriman cant wait let the bodies hit the floor
March 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
K-Rock (Just Say No to DMAC) Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 9:32 am
“I’m tired of the “drinking kool-aid” vs. “hater” crap.”
……..
Then stop drinking the kool aid.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I would pick Gholston, Long, Ellis, or J.Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I’ll take C Long any day over DMac and would be in tears if we were able to take him.
However, once Miami takes C Long, St Louis drafts Gholston, and Atlanta takes J Long, who is left for us?
Dorsey, Ellis, or DMac. Both Dorsey & Ellis aren’t going to provide the impact everyone wants because rookie DT’s don’t make a significant impact.
DMac will provide the team an immediate impact.
He’s the best player available, therefore we take him.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Burgess didn’t come around til around mid season because of missing most of training camp due to having surgery late
Sapp losing all that weight caused him to get pushed around a lot in the begining of the season
When Burgess and Sapp started to come around thats when Kelly got hurt for the year, than the runs started going to Jay Richardson’s side a lot
Gerrard Warren played good by like OakGlenn say not good enough for 5 million plus his injuries
A lot of bad luck – No matter what happens I do not see us getting ran on nearly as bad as last year – Cross fingers and hope we all come in healthy from the start of training camp and make it thru the season and the run D will be better -
March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Its too bad AW never had a chance to play with a decent line- i know he is going to be good somewhere- and he doesnt exactly fit our system/ has pissed off the coach– i think miami could do worse than trading AW and Fabian for their second an third picks (they still have them Im assuming)– I still cant believe they are trying to go with McCown as a starter—- heck Tui was much better than McCown and hes still available- I bet Brooks with a decent line is better than McCown—
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Matt Ryan will be this year’s Quinn in terms of a player dropping in the draft. it might be Baltimore before he’s off the board. i would think the chefs take him but their OL is one of the worst in the league and they need lineman more than we do.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
She’s back see yeah
March 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I´m hoping for the ”other” son of a Raider in the 4th, UCLA´s DE-OLB Bruce Davis, maybe he can fill the Clemons role of designated pass rusher soon. Opinions vary on him though.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Bob,
Yeah I like the two DE’s at the top, but I like McFadden a little bit more than Gholston. What’s great is that all of these guys would be a good fit for the Raiders if we can’t trade down. Unlike Miami which I think are stuck picking from a great group of 4-3 linemen for their 3-4 scheme. Long, Gholston, McFadden, Ellis and Dorsey all fit into our respective schemes, which is a big plus for us.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Dakota
as much as I enjoy the banter…THERE IS NO SURE THING….EVER !!! Anyone is can get injured and never be the same…very few guys bounce back from injury…only the ones’ with heart and overwhelming desire…and I hope that C Long has that “it” to continue if and when he gets his first major injury.
Based on my gut feelings…I would have no problema taking Dorsey…because he played thru his injuries last year…I still believe it is better to find two guys to load up our Dline with youth…and hopefully do a better job at stopping the run…then moving from a top 10 running attack to a top 3 running attack on offense.
I believe we will already acheive that with our current roster…how much better do we need to be on offense ? With the contunuity at QB and a fresh cast at WR…we are set to keep the ball for more than 35 mins a game…now its up to our “defense” to make sure that opposing teams do not score TDs during their 25 minutes of offensive series !!!
…3 and outs…thats what we need this year…that we lacked last year…!!!
if we can get a few drive killing sacks…a few tackles behind the line and a couple of turnovers per game…while maintaining ball security on offense…we will glide to 10 wins…take the AFC WEST…and go deep into the play-offs.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Only 30 or so more days of the McFadden debate!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
4. Raiders
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas: OK, here’s our first major change. I’ve talked to two people inside the organization who say Al Davis has been infatuated with this kid for more than a year. When he ran a 4.27 40-yard dash at the combine, Davis was officially sold. Then he took a long nap.
- Matt Mosely
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
http://www.hogwired.com/pdf2/90292.pdf?ATCLID=1206333&SPSID=33239&SPID=2431&DB_OEM_ID=6100
Here is an arguement for trading down and drafting Sims.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
He was supposed to play in the senior bowl but hurt his knee in practice.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
AD calls him Darrell McFarlane though.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Doc, you would probably be hoping that Phil Wheeler the ILB from Ga Tech or Jonathon Goff the ILB from Vandy would be available. Of course me personally, I would be looking for Josh Johnson the QB from University of San Diego. Not a need certainly, but that kid is waaaaay to good to pass up.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
BBB
Agreed. You like Bruce Davis later on?.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Also our Sam Williams/Robert Thomas/Kirk and Mr 53 were shedding off blocks and following thru there gaps a lot better towards the end of the season than from the begining – Some added hope for next year’s run D
March 25th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Bob,
I like Bruce Davis a lot, he is tenacious out there, doesn’t give up on a single play. Kiffin should be real familiar with his career at UCLA, and that is the kind of guy that he covets. Another great legacy player we should look at is Jeremy Geathers from UNLV, he could also fill the Chris Clemons role.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
big board as i see it…(still)
1.Gholston
2.C Long
3.Dmac
4.Dorsey or Ellis
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“While the NFL is abuzz with discussion over Kiffin’s predicament, with endless conjecture about his future, the coach has been rather silent. No official response to the Gentle Shove, wherein owner Al Davis essentially invited Lane to leave. No official comment on the Rob Ryan fiasco, wherein Rob was prepared to move on, with Lane’s blessing, only to be retained by Al. Zipped lips regarding the hiring of James Lofton, wherein Lane discovered Lofton was an assistant coach for the Raiders. Kiffin has been mute about the Great Gear flap, wherein he opted not to wear his customary Raiders attire while coaching at the Senior Bowl.
While 49ers coach Mike Nolan roams the studios of the NFL Network, getting valuable camera time, saving face after an organizational “shakeup,” Kiff’s profile is lower than that of the assistant basketball coach at the local community college.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_8676553?source%253Dmost_emailed.26978592730A3B8C7F471EACE0DA4EF2.html
March 25th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Oakglenn, why so high on Josh Johnson? Many scouts have said from his combine that it was the worst display of passing they had seen.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Bruce Davis would be a good pick in the 4th….along with Zbikowski.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I think Poole was drinking at a bar and wrote that on his blackberry, Superbowl lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
“This illustrates the hole in the theory that projects a revival in the wake of Al’s Big Giveaway. As Washington owner Daniel Snyder might tell you, winning is less about spending sprees than having practical, creative, sure-handed, daily leadership.
The Raiders instead have a severely compromised head coach trying to develop an inexperienced quarterback, while supervising a defensive coordinator he likely would have replaced, while trying to avoid contact with the boss and hope to be heard by his players.
Which leaves the Raiders to decide how to present Hall, who is willing to promote the brand. The desire for this was made clear by the Raiders in a recent meeting with executives of this newspaper.
What they discovered is organizational turmoil and a 19-61 record over five seasons make good pub hard to find. Hard to reach, even when it’s right under your nose.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_8676553?source%253Dmost_emailed.26978592730A3B8C7F471EACE0DA4EF2.html
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
DSM
If both top DEs are off the board…I have to admit it is a toss up…and Dmac wins hands down…because we can always find a decent DT in round 2 or 3 after trading a player or future picks…
If Gholston and both Longs are gone…I agree our best choice is to either take DMac or take him and trade him to JJ for their 2 first rounders and their 2nd rounder…obviously that probably wont happen…so DMac it ’tis….
The funniest thing here is…either way, we are gonna end up WINNERS…there is absolutely no downside for us this year picking at number 4…except the money it’s gonna cost BIG AL to get one of these guys into camp quickly so that we dont repeat the nightmare of last season…with Jamarcus Russell.
This is hopefully gonna be our last year to pick so high in the draft…I hope we can take advantage of it and make the right choice for our future. Whatever that brings….hahaha.
Victory…ahhh…I love the smell of NAPALM in the morning…!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
If the raiders draft Zbikowski, then I don’t care who else they get, that would totally make draft day for me. Zbikowski would be a perfect replacement for STU on special teams, right away, and could eventually be an outstanding back-up/run-stuffer for Huff-Wilson.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Eyepatch Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I think Poole was drinking at a bar and wrote that on his blackberry,
…………
Fair criticism. But what’s Davis’s excuse for 19-61?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Tom Flores- I like to think adding DMac is like having Reggie Bush in Kiffin’s backfield to combine him with Michael Bush who can be like LenDale White except he has good hands.
In ‘05, USC’s offense was amazing:
Leinart threw 28 TD’s
Bush 1,740 yards rushing and 16 TD’s; 478 yards receiving with 2 TD’s
White 1,302 yards with 24 TD’s
Russell fills the Leinart role
DMac fills the Bush role
Michael Bush fills the White role
Combine this offense with an average or better D and we are talking about playoffs.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Not what I heard trevjo. The only thing they criticized Johnson on was some of his passes wobbled a bit. Matt Ryan had the same problem and he could go One overall. Do YOU think pro QB coaches couldn’t work that out??? Especially considering he has a 6 to 1 TD to Int ratio????
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
i like the youtube interview with beau bell- the guy is funny- his favorite hobby is sleeping and watching film and oatmeal- good ead on his shoulders… let me see if i can find th eother guys- i cant get the time to watch as much college football as i would like too– you tube is awesome for this stuff…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
The quarterbacks have sucked sinse Gannon left, JR will change that this year and they will start winning again.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Tom,
I can see drafting Chris long over McFadden, but after Chris long, which defensive player in the top ten is going to help us against the run?
Gholston is a small DE that is more of a pass rusher, which we already have with Burgess.
Ellis is a small pass rushing DT like Sapp and would play in Kelly’s spot, which would mean Kelly would be the highest paid DT in the NFL and we would have him playing out of position at DE, lol.
Dorsey can stop the run, but even he is undersized and the same issue would present itself with Kelly.
Neither Ellis or Dorsey can play Turds spot, they simply are not big enough.
I don’t think there is an answer to our run defense in the top ten unless we get Chris Long, who is big enough to take Richardson’s spot and play opposite of Burgess. He will stop the run and pressure the QB.
None of the others really fit. Gholston would be nice, but imagine have a d-line where our two DE’s are both under 266 lbs…wouldn’t teams run on us like crazy?
So if Long is gone we really should pray that McFadden, the highest rated player in the draft, is still sitting on the board for us. McFadden will do nothing but improve our offense and take pressure off of Russell.
Some of you guys act like we are set on offense, but we are far from adequate on offense. Drafting McFadden will do much more for our offense than drafting Ellis, Dorsey or Gholston will do for our defense IMO.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
who cares about Nolan going on NFLN.
Nolan will be gone after this season anyway.
Nolan coming on with “suits” and getting all this silly press is stupid and silly.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
It usually takes a team 5 years to rebound from salary cap issues, look at the Titans for example, unless you have a good quarterback like New england.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Trade down and take Sims in round one along with Barker.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
what about Dan Connor from Penn st or Ali Highsmith from LSU
March 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Gholston is small?
6′4 (with cleats) 266 lbs rock solid and benched 37 reps?
Come on…
March 25th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Scroll up Tom and see how McFadden did vs Sims and company at home.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
BBB
Yeah Jumpy´s kid, were you the one who brought him up a few days ago? someone did and I looked him up, could be a nice late round addition or UFA.
You know, it´s like these scouts won´t learn that rushing the passer comes naturally to some of these smaller college DE´s and they instantly say, he´s too small, move him to OLB, like with Bruce Davis. Just look at Clemons he´s the same size as Davis and he did fine.
I´m also wondering if we are gonna be the team that gives Tommy Blake a shot, huge risk but if he´s head is on, they say he can play.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I’d like to see Bruce Davis available at the top of the 4th round. He’s pretty light tho??? Doesn’t he go about 240??? I guess that’s OK for an OLB, but still???
Dan Conner is going to go late lst round. Ali Highsmith is someone I really like altho his stock is dropping big time. His 40 time was very slow at the combine. How that could’ve happened I don’t know because he ran down Dmac from waaay behind in that LSU Ark game last year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
after watching the you tube clip i remember the usc-ucla game with davis at the end- and the knee to the cal guy they replayed on espn— This guy called out the media after the USC loss– he should fit right in Raiderland-
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Thats the smartest thing Al and Kiff could possibly do is trade down with Dallas, take a DT and a OT.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Jerry-
try not to take the crit. too hard. I was caught a little off guard a few weeks ago when you wrote that you had no rooting interest in the Raiders- or something to that effect- that you basically just worked for them and you aren’t a lifelong Raider fan. At first this kinda upset me then I realized that’s probably a big reason why you’re so good at this. you just report the facts without bias.
I appreciate this much more than a cheerleader who would tell us that everything is gravy and we’re sure to go deep in the playoffs this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Totally agree with that Eyepatch.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
and if you read this far into the comments I’ll be really impressed.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
yeah we need to get some more third throug fifth round draft choices so we can pick up guys like this for the defense– lots of rested and healthy good plus guys are better than a few great but tired ones at the the end of the game on D- which is where we lost them— on teh last drive , or on the 20 yard runs that a good safety will take care of–
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
…..smells like……victory!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Poole is just one more another Raiders hater…its quite easy to find them…whats hard to find these days is someone objective and hopeful…
I guess that pretty much leaves it up to us..the Fans…and a few curious onlookers…like Marshall Faulk…with enough sense to not dismiss AD and his accomplishments as others have…some of us realize that the “Old Man” still has a few Aces up his sleeve…and he has chosen to play them…here and now.
He didn’t get into the HOF for being a dummy…silent owner. Yes, he is brash…arrogant and irreverent…thats what we love about him !!!
AL DAVIS FOR PRESIDENT !!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
another player that the raiders coaches screwed up on besides brayton was with sam williams….he was more of a pass rusher at fresno st…and they went and did someting dumb and converted him to the SAM OLB spot?
Sheesh….
March 25th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Jerry needs to get on the bandwagon now before they surprise everyone this year.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
i am on jury duty today instead of the hospital, but none of the public defenders want me on their cases – so i get to read, watch tube and comment all day
March 25th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Bob,
Tommy Blake scares the crap out of me, he could be all-pro, but if he decides to go to Mexico the night before the super bowl it would kill this franchise. I don’t know that Davis wants that kind of trouble again. I agree about the small DE’s though, I think that is one of the reasons that Al let Clemons go, he is very replaceable, because great, undersized DE’s are always available in later rounds of the draft. I heard that the Raiders showed interest in Geathers at his Pro Day.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Gholston might be “small” but he still benches 450.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
usually noone wants to trade up, but this year as their are six or seven roughly equal dudes on top, i can see good offers for a trade down— if the defensive ends and mcfadden are all gone– than we especially have to trade down- but then there will be less intrest to trade up as well— ideally we trade down a few spots- get one of the DE’s/McFadden and get a some more middle round choices– i think someone above mentioned a new mock draft with that scenario– which site is that on?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Eh, doc, could be worse I guess. You could be ON one of those juries. We REALLY need a surprise steal coming in the late rounds. My theory is with the deluge of underclassmen coming in, and the time allotment for selections reduced, guys are going to slip thru the cracks this time more than ever. Especially USC guys. Most war rooms will probably think that program will be picked over more than practically any other in the nation. If a couple of SC guys fall thru the cracks, hopefully Kiff will be there to scoop em up!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Darknight,
Gholston is not too small to play Burgess’ position, but usually the other DE is much larger and plays the run.
Replacing Burgess with Gholston is treading water in my view.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Dakota -
I’m back from watching last nights game on DVR and I have to say that was not a foul when the Bearded One elbowed Kobe in the face. Kobe was sliding, his feet were moving to the left, clearly not stationary. Textbook blocking foul. Go back and watch it if you can, you will see what I mean, even through those Laker hued shades of yours.
I also watched the ending again. That was stright up Bush League! If that’s what it takes to seal a victory for a #1 seed then I don’t know what to tell you. Bush League.
I am just wondering how the Raiders bogus officiating rap has somehow rubbed off on the Warriors. Guilt by proximity?
March 25th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Ok DSM
hahaha you sold me…dude you knew I was an SC Fan…in fact I watched that game with Young coming back with a few seconds on the clock to pull off an incredible victory/upset….watched it live from a sports bar/hotel lobby in the Philippines with about 40 other Americans…going wild….that was one of the greatest games I have ever seen…offensively speaking.
If we take Dmac and manage to score 50 points in any home game this year…you will see me bare my ass on the jumbo tron…and then pour beer over my own head…
thats how crazy I am …and how absolutely thrilled I would be to make a complete JACK ASS of myself…should such an incredible feat be accomplished by us merely adding DMac to our offense !!!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Geathers is another UNLV prospect outside of Beau Bell and he aint too shabby either. They both would be pretty good additions.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Oakglenn, I did hear that a few of Matt Ryan’s passes wobbled, particularly when he was trying too hard to impress scouts with his arm strength. But what I heard about Josh Johnson was that ALL of his passes wobbled, with no exceptions!
March 25th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Dakota,
the problem with Burgess is that he doesn’t play his position. He plays on the strong-side, when he should be positioned on the weak-side. Gholston plays on the weak-side, so Richardson can be moved to the strong-side. long story short, Gholston could be an upgrade over Burgess.
March 25th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
If they draft a DT they can move Kelly and Joseph to DE but looking at the official site team player listings they picked up a OT named Wilson they claim has alot of potential, they could be setting up for McFadden. Check out the roster. http://www.raiders.com/Team/Default.aspx?id=146
March 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Dark Knight
…maybe Kiffin reviewed Williams tape from Fresno at ADs insistence and thats why Williams got a new contract…maybe Kiffin slips him into the front 4 since we are so very very shallow there….who knows…you could be onto something there…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I´ll see you guys later, nice talking to you.
Drray
Maybe you mean the Kirwan mock drfat at nfl.com, he says maybe we trade down with NYJ.
BBB…right on.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
raiders won’t be challenging for any division titles next season…just get used to 6-10 for the next few years. Have you ever heard of team chemistry? You can’t keep changing your roster, coaches, etc and think you’ll be great every year…I can’t wait to see this board after Walker misses the 2nd of the season to injury, Hall blows up on the sideline in Rob Ryan’s face and gets benched by Kiffin and then Al overrules him and makes him the starter no matter what either coach says…great drama for anyone that’s NOT a Raider fan. Thanks for the good times Chokeland!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Bart,
I guess it all comes back to Rob Ryan.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Undersized defensive ends work remember when terrel suggs came out he was sposed to be a top 8 pick but everyone started tlakin about his size and he slid out of the top ten or at ten i think and now look at him
March 25th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
GRIM,
How did Geathers play against good competition? I really think this kid could be good, but I am not sure what he is capable of coming out of UNLV.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Noraiderluv we all heard that back in 99.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Dakota,
No doubt. It doesn’t really matter who we draft this year, they should all be put on IR to protect them form Rob Ryan’s coaching.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Dogg,
You would have missed the shot anyhow, lol. Losers are bound to lose. Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Dakota
you are right and you are wrong…getting younger and stronger is never a bad thing…the fact remains we cant afford to trade Burgess when we only have 3 DEs on our roster..thats including Kelley…which would be best used inside…so how we end up trading Burgess for anything less than a second rounder is a mystery to me…at least we can replace him with a Gholston/Long and T Laws or Okam…or some other large DT in rounds 2 or 3…and them move Kelley out to DE…that I could see happening I guess…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Kiffin and Davis are working together or the Raiders would have signed Pacman instead of Hall. They like to call him MeAngelo in Atlanta but they forget he is a family man off the field with no issues, that has Kiffins stamp all over it.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Anthos,
Baltimore can afford to play small DE’s because they have great LBs to play the run. We don’t have that luxury.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
For She’s still queer:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14479
Over the past week, I’ve read dozens of posts, blogs, and fellow BR writers’ articles detailing the false, and in many cases irresponsible, reporting of the Raiders. Although I don’t necessarily feel that this is only commonplace with the Raiders, one only needs to enter the realm of political reporting to see that, I can’t completely rule out that it’s not conspiratorial to some demented respect.
Stories that pound the Raiders with no quotes, no proof, and usually no facts. Don’t believe me? Read this quote from his ’story’.
written by the infamous Raider Hater himself, Monte Pool of Inside Bay Area:
“Kiffin has been mute about the Great Gear flap, wherein he opted not to wear his customary Raiders attire while coaching at the Super Bowl.”
Super Bowl? Even after being told the error early this morning, it’s still not fixed.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
two more weeks…and I am back in the 3rd world…devoid of pro football…and no internet in my house there…so the likelihood of me being on here is slim to none…until I return just before pre-season starts…I know you guys will all miss my lunacy and sarcasm….I will certainly miss reading you guys posts…for the most part…guys here are witty, knowledgeable,and positively loyal fans of the Silver and Black. I cant claim to be anywhere near as knowledgeable and smart, but I have enjoyed my time and education here nonetheless…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Deangelo Hall hasn’t done anything at Atlanta that would be cause for alarm. He supported a close friend during a very tough time, then he called out a coach who turned out to be a big phony. When the franchise turned on him for pointing out their mistakes he wanted out. I think the Atlanta fans started calling him Meangelo right about the time they were forced to trade him, sucks for them.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
You going to Montana Tom?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I would be surprised to us trade down with the jets unless the Jets want D-Mac badly!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
yeah thats the mock draft- from today on nfl.com– thanks BM…. i was a third of the way done skimming the posts and you saved me a good 20 minutes… I like the idea of taking mcfadden at 6 much better than moving up to take c long at 1, i like the idea of bringing in bruce davis as a legacy later on for DE rotation and getting a MLB– i dont like getting another QB or getting rid of burgess- blog is much better without madden raider/ im still here around — he needs a life or a wife or both
March 25th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
as for deangelo’s friend- wasnt that teh old raiders DT- GJackson?- heck sign him on as part of the rotation if hes not too expensive… could be good on irst and second downs in the second half
March 25th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Did anyone ever give me a slap upside the head for suggesting a MeShawn Johnson signing…one more WR with good hands and bad-ass attitude and swagger…would be helpful to say the least, on this years roster…I believe…just until our youngsters…(JLH, Watkins and Holland)find their way into the starting lineup…I wonder why he hasnt agreed to terms with Parcells yet…???
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
maybe the patriots will trade up three spots and give us our third rounder back plus a fifth—- if either of DE’s AND mcfadden still there at 4– we have lots of options
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Rams re-signed James Hall, a DE. Is this an indication that they will select Jake Long?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Drray says:
blog is much better without madden raider/ im still here around — he needs a life or a wife or both.
Bush & the Republicans won’t let him marry.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Raider TW, you get way too offended when people criticize Al Davis. Try and relax. Is he putting your kids through college? More like, the opposite, considering the windfall of cash going from your bank account to the Raider’s for season tickets.
Also, you should know that BleacherReport.com is exactly what it’s name says, it’s a report…from the bleachers. It’s a fan participation site, the articles there are not by journalists. Anything posted from there goes no further with me than you just posting your own op ed, right here in this comments section. Nice try, though.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Facts are facts, from jounalist or bloggers, try another response.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Full hour of Raiders football on NFL Network is getting to him.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Al Davis was at McFadden’s pro day! What does that tell all you doubters?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
All this talk about Gholston being weak against the run and being a pure pass rusher is Ridiculous!
Guys, Gholston had over 30 freaking tackles for losses last year!! Where are you getting this “weak against the run” bs? Are you guys just duplicating what Mayock is saying? If so then McFadden is behing Mendenhall and J.Stewart..give me a break!
Havent you heard of “coaching”? If he is stronger at pass rushing then coaching will give him the techniques to improve run assignments if that is his problem, which it isnt!
I am a huge Gholston advocate but have kinda switched gears with McFadden for one reason someone here mentioned….We shouldnt be drafting this high (God willing) in the following years so this might be a last shot at obtaining a game changer like DMac.
Im happy with C.Long, Gholston and now Dmac.
And for those that say he is small and undersized check out this article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14412-Oakland_Raiders-In_Defense_of_Gholston_s_Raiders_Career-240308
March 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Okay, I made that up, but wouldn’t it be something if he had?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
It has been since Gannon left inured that we have had serious problems with our offense. It all starts with the QB folks…and I am sooo stoked that we have Jamarcus Russell ready to take the reins for the next decade…hopefully he will get serious about off season training and diet in the future and become the HOF QB we all expect him to be.
God Bless AL DAVIS for taking a chance on him..esp after the young, drafted QB nightmares of the Raiders not so distant past…I still believe like many here that Walter could have been “that guy” with the right Oline and coaching…
I guess we will sign Dilfer and trade Walter…for a low 2nd to mid 3rd round pick as well as Washington…and look to the draft to fill the remaining holes in our roster…
I must say…with all these FA signings and our draft still to come..the chances of us landing some really quality undrafted rookies this season is very very high…as long as Kiff remains the HC…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
But he is no Pat Sims and the buckeyes always get crushed by the SEC, he is overrated.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
BBB- Like I said, Geathers and Bell were pretty much the cream of the crop as you might say. Geathers is a pretty strong DE. If you ask me he’s way underated as far as drafting goes. Hes 6′2″ 256 and runs about a 4.7.He benched pressed 225? 30 times. Hes rated somewhere like 21st out of 162 as faras DE’s go. But then again he came out as a junior. Hes a solid later round pick no doubt. His dad played for like 12 seasons in the NFL. I think his brother plays for the Bengals and his uncle also played for like 5 seasons or something. I’ll have to look it up.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Eyepatch, only someone who’s absolutely insane would put as much faith into an everyday fan’s blogging as they would a journalists reporting.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Well, Jeff Otis is back. As he’s nothing more than a willing arm, I guess we are really just stocking up for some serious practice.
I am going to be interested in whether some of the lesser lights start pressing for a space on the roster. We do need the likes of Jesse Boone, Jonathon Holland, Jonathon Palmer, Chris Morris, Seth Wand and Mark Wilson to be upping the competition. Jon Condo showed last camp that a nobody can become a somebody. We need some nice surprises.
Plus, this is definitely the last and final chance for those camp superstars Joe Echemandu and Will Buchanon to prove they can play as well as practice.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
my 7 year old son…is beating me down…’cause he wants to play online video games…guess its time to relinquish control to my future HOF video gamer !!!
hahaha
cya later guys.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
if we got grady jackson back- we could switch him and sands as nose tackles in 3-4 looks, if sands only has to play half or less, he may be occasionally dominant like he was two years ago before thw contract, plus rob ryan will be happy, i think the presonnel now fit both 3-4 and 4-3 much better than before, especially if we pick up guys like bruce davis later on
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dakota where did you find out about Al Davis at DMac’s pro day?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
The fans know more than the reporters so whats your beef?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Dakota Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“Dogg,
You would have missed the shot anyhow, lol. Losers are bound to lose. Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.”
Dakota -
Ok then. Losers lose, like twice already this year the Lakers have lost to the W’s. You don’t have to be such a dick about it. Like I said go back and watch the film. Its all there in black and white. Kobe tried to take a charge but he wasn’t planted. Do you even know the rules of basketball? Or do you just blindly support the Lakers with no real eye on the truth?
I honestly expected more from you, but hey I do expect your type of behavior from a Lakers fan.
“Bring it on in the playoffs, we need an easy 1st round matchup to rest us for SA, NO or Utah.”
That’s exactly what Dallas said last year chump.
I will cut and paste that very quote from you and if the Warriors beat the Lakers in the playoffs you will never hear the end of it. NEVER! You got it coming…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I’m Still Here Says: Raider TW, you get way too offended when people criticize Al Davis. Try and relax. Is he putting your kids through college? More like, the opposite, considering the windfall of cash going from your bank account to the Raider’s for season tickets.
Man, you ARE misinformed, I wasn’t even reffering to Al Davis & I don’t have season tickets. I live in Denver!!!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Davis has stripped Kiffin of his duty, and Kiffin is entering a lame duck season.
Here:
http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/two-can-play-this-game
March 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Adam Schefter reports that an “inside source” saw Al Davis at Arkansas’ pro day.
More lies to follow….
March 25th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Whatever the case, TW. You still get pretty wound up when people critically discuss Al, with personal insults, etc. You should really chill. Davis has done nothing for you. You’re not a mut. You’re a man. Act like it.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
madden raider: i have friends who are editors on national publications who know less than some of the bright guys on this blog….. look who goes into being a reporter… teh guys who cant get or hold real jobs and arent talented enough to write real stories–
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
here you go I’m Still Here
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/01/AR2005090102086.html
March 25th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Journalist jumping the gun and voiceing thier opinions are common just like bloggers. You got to sort out the fact from fiction. I am still not clear what point you want to make but feel free to expand your thoughts.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
RaiderTW,
Ever get the urge to hunt down Schefter?? Does he still live there??
March 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Maddenraider, what do you have against Al Davis? Did he fingerbang your mom?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Nobody paid attention to this article either http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-raiders26jan26,1,5570875.story
March 25th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
saintkaufman Says:
RaiderTW,
Ever get the urge to hunt down Schefter?? Does he still live there??
No. he’s in NY or traveling. Man, I’ve been agravated by him for more yrs than most Raider fans tho.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
One signing who hasn’t had a lot of attention is Rashad Baker, who we picked up on waivers from the Pats. I suspect he will be pushing Schweigert and Eugene for a back-up role behind Huff and Wilson. Baker certainly can tackle and would easily match Schweigert and Eugene for speed.
One interesting fact for you football anoraks. In 2004, Baker became the first undrafted rookie to ever start at safety in the NFL when he appeared for Buffalo against the Rams.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
i have a feeling the blof is deteriorating again- im out
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
people saying Gholston is weak against the run….are not paying attention to him and his game.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
“The Lakers also got a big break from referee Bob Delaney, who called Monta Ellis for a curious offensive foul on Derek Fisher — who didn’t like the call any more than Ellis — before the Warriors could even inbound the ball with 4 seconds left in OT.”
Dakota -
So even the man himself Derek Fisher didn’t think the foul should have been called? Man you need to try and keep up. Your own team is contradicting you.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I better go before Maddenraider sends me a virus.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I lived in Lakewood back in the early 90’s, went to some Donkey games. You are not in the land of Silver and Black my friend!!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Except when he takes the day off vs the sec.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Oh shite, looks like Dogg is still pissed about the game last night, lol. Dude, if the Lakers lose to the Warriors in the playoff I would not expect you to stop letting me hear about it. I can live with that.
I will never admit to the Lakers getting lucky…I am blind that way I guess, lol.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
eyepatch,
exactly…”journalists” jump the gun on half of there “stories” what they say is just about as credible as what any of us have to say really.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Put Ohio State in the SEC and Gholston is just another good player on the depth chart.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Dogg, I said it was a bad call. Should have been a no-call. What more do you want me to say?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
gholston was getting iinvolved in the game against LSU…is disrupted a handful of pass plays and was sliding his way to the outside agains the run when he could.
LSU was getting rid of the ball quickly also. Gholston was doing all he could….not his fault that the rest of his teamates didn’t step it up.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Year after year?
March 25th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
i love lamp
March 25th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Read somewhere that Grady Jackson thoroughly enjoyed his time with the Raiders…think he went so far as to even say it was the best organization he has played for in his career…no bad-mouthing at atll.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Good one Stretch.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Him and Sands are buds I’d say being from East TN.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Dakota -
All I want you to say is that you will buy me tickets to a playoff game in Oakland and we can sit and talk shite the whole game. Is that in the realm of possibilty?
You’re right I am still a little pissed from last night and rightly so, you would be too if the situations were reversed.
You are right, who’s to say that the W’s would have tied it 4 seconds left. Hopefully in the playoff they will let them play, especially in a crucial moment like 4 seconds left in OT.
Either way, best of luck to you and yours and I just hope the W’s hold on to that 8 spot so we can have a 1st round old fashioned barn burner.
Now I must put on some Bob Marley and get centered. Time to let this nonsense go…
March 25th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I hate Phillip Rivers. Jay Cutler has no one to trow to and Brodie Coyle, enough said. Our secondary should eat up the AFC West QB’s allowing our defense to focus on defending the run. We still desperately need DE help. If we don’t trade down, we need to take either C. Long or Ghoulston, both of whom are monsters and play hard on every play. Our defense should be ranked in the top 5. What about Takeo Spikes?
Offensively we should be ruch for at least 1500-1700 yards with Fargas and Bush. Walker and Curry provide deep threats for JR while Carter will be used more in the slot similar to Wes Welker did last year for NE. Zach Miller will be difficult for any TE to defend and will be JR’s favorite target by mid season.
8-8 record, no worse than 2nd in the division if not the title.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
forgive my typos bro.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
The last two days the Raiders have added twoQB’s to the squad. Looks like most of our pre season games we will see very little of JR and the coach will hold out JR until the season begins…………Also checked out e bay for raider tickets…last year they listed hundreds now have less than twenty.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Just GrandDaddy Baby!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Something that just occured to me. A lot of people (on this board and other places) have tried to compare Darren McFadden to Adrian Peterson. Mostly, IMO, because they had a similar hype level coming out of college. But Peterson is such a physical contact-seeking runner that there doesn’t seem to be any comparison.
McFadden is a speed back. In that respect he is much more similar as a prospect to Reggie Bush. Anyone who assumes that McFadden is automatically going to come in and break 40-yard runs every week should consider Bush’s results. Bush has struggled to establish himself as a runner in the NFL. He has, however, made a huge impact as a receiver out of the backfield for the pass-happy New Orleans offense. But he has rarely been able to break free for long runs, and the big holes he enjoyed to get him into the open field in college have not materialized. And McFadden does not excel in the receiving game the way Bush does.
Now granted, the Raiders do a better job of run-blocking than the Saints do. But, the Vikings do a better job of run-blocking than the Raiders do, with Hutch and McKinnie.
Don’t believe that McFadden and Bush are similar runners? A lot of fans seem to think of McFadden as a back with pretty good size, but in fact he has a very slight build. At the combine, Bush measured at 5′10.7″, 201#. McFadden measured 6′1.2″, 211#. That’s not 10 extra pounds of power, that’s simply from the extra 2½” of height. People keep posting highlight videos of McFadden’s big plays, but it’s rare to see him breaking tackles, he’s always getting to the corner or darting through a big hole and running away from people. As Bush found, it’s not that easy in the NFL.
McFadden ran an official 4.33 40 at the combine. Bush ran a very comparable 4.37. In the broad jump, a good measure of explosiveness, both leaped 10′8″. In the vertical, Bush skied 40½ inches, to McFadden’s 33. Bush is known for his agility, McFadden is not. Bush was known as a great ball handler in college, McFadden has a reputation for fumbles.
I don’t see McFadden being as good of a prospect as either Peterson OR Bush. Don’t believe the hype. If we pick this guy thinking he is a once-in-a-decade type player, when in fact he will not even be the best player available, we will be sorry.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
No Woman Don’t Cry!!
Sorry Dogg, too easy.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
If the season started tomorrow, this would be our likely roster:
QB: Russell, Walter, Meyer
FB: O’Neal, Griffith
RB: Fargas, Bush, Rhodes
TE: Miller, Madsen, Stewart
WR: Walker, Carter, Curry, Higgins, Holland, McFoy
OT: Harris, Green, McQuistan, Henderson, Wand
OG: Gallery, Carlisle, Morris
C: Grove, Boone
DE: Richardson, Burgess
DT: Kelly, Sands, Joseph, Warren, Shaw
LB: Morrison, Howard, Williams, Thomas, Alston, Ekejiuba
S: Wilson, Huff, Baker, Eugene, Cooper
DB: Hall, Asomugha, Routt, Washington, Bowie
K: Janikowski
P: Lechler
LS: Condo
Overall, it looks stronger than last year, but there are still glaring weaknesses at DE and OG/OT.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Dogg,
I wish I had the lettuce to do that, it would be my pleasure. I would not even hold it against you when you kicked my @zz in the parking lot after the Lakers smoke the Warriors.
And you are right; I would be just as pissed as you if the shoe was on the other foot. I am still pissed at the refs in game one of the 2004 finals when they started calling bogus fouls on Shaq which took them out of the series.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Yes, the only dispute to your analogy I can come up with is McFadden is in his early 20’s and is big for his speed at 6′2″ 210 pounds. He can add bulk. He has an uncanny ability to get first downs when you need them. He falls forward most times and finds the seems to stretch out for first downs running or catching and is a threat to take it 80 yards whenever he touches the ball. Defenses will have to game plan for him alone. Huge help for JR in my opinion. If he is there at 4 they got to take him.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I can actually see Kiffin and Davis trading up to get him.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Dakota -
You know if I kicked your @zz I would still buy you a beer. Plus I have a feeling that fighting you would be no easy task. We’d both need a few beers.
I used to get into fights all the time when I was younger, I can be very blunt and borderline dickish and that doesn’t always go over well. The funny thing is the few guys that I’ve gotten into knock down drag outs with have all became great friends with in the end. Sometimes you have to kick the crap out of each other to truly appreciate that other person.
I think I may have the lettuce to at least hit one game in Oakland, we shall see.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
If Bush is for real they trade the pick obviously.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
If we do trade with the Jets so they can get McFadden, I hope we stay at 4 and pick McFadden and then only trade him to the Jets if they choose Gholston. Just make sure we get they guy we want before we make the trade.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92LY161Gww&feature=related
sweet goalie fight from last night with Patrick Roys son.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UIe8WsB1KZ8&feature=related
The fastest back from 0 – 10yrds I’ve seen in this draft.
Has WAY more moves and consistently breaks more tackles than McFadden.
Guess what, he’s not the only one!
Why waste a #4 when you can get guys like this in the later rounds?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
To those that think McFadden gets tackled easily here is a stat that says otherwise. 107 of his 309 non-touchdown rushing attempts saw more than one defender being needed to take him down. And thats in the SEC.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56491
March 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
enough of the mcfad. we NEED D line help. our trenches are really the only thing left to beef up.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
drray Says:
March 25th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
i have a feeling the blog is deteriorating again- im out
Let me Guess???????? Oh, maddenraider is here. And the blog begins to deteriorate!!!! What an effing shock!!!!!!!!!!!! How could that be??????? It only happens EVERYTIME SHE IS HERE!!!!
Unitl you all stop communicating with her (Sybil) as most of the long term posters here have, we’re going to continue to have these problems with the blog deteriorating. Here are some of the AKA’s in no particular order:
I’m Still here = Trevjo = EastBay Ray = maddenraider = phony Bob Marley = phony Oakglenn = phony Tommy Trojan = Mary Steed = Joel Steed
MaddenRaidder, am I forgetting any other AKA’s????
March 25th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
NFLN reported 28 teams had repd at DMAC’s pro day including HC Lovie Smith.
However, they did not mention who, if any, was there from Oakland.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
http://www.hogwired.com/pdf2/90292.pdf?ATCLID=1206333&SPSID=33239&SPID=2431&DB_OEM_ID=6100
Sims vs McFadden take Sims in round 2 and take McFadden in round 1, we have 2 hybrid DT/DEs’ already plus 2 pure DEs’ and 2 pure DTs’.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Stretch, I completely agree with that. Shore up the defensive front, and this team is a .500 or better team. Don’t do it, this team is probably a 6-10 team and while that represents improvement, I don’t think Kiff would survive a 6-10 season.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
saintkaufman Says:
I lived in Lakewood back in the early 90’s, went to some Donkey games. You are not in the land of Silver and Black my friend!!
That’s for sure but Ratface makes it easier for me. You should see how pissed off the fans are especially when bring up the Greise story of his dog tripped him & caused an injury. Now it’s Marshall slipping on a wrapper. I get a lot of milage outta that today. I guess we signed the right WR. I still get S#!+ for the Raider sticker on my truck.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
LIGHTS OUT FOR MERRIMAN’S MERCEDES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2008, 4:26 p.m.
“Someone doesn’t like San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman.
More specifically, someone doesn’t like his car.
According to KFMB-TV, someone stole Merriman’s Mercedes and torched it. The car was found on Thursday of last week, without its wheels and rims.
The car reportedly was worth $187,000, but it was fully insured.
Per the report, police are following up on several leads.
Hopefully, the car wasn’t destroyed by someone caught up in a fit of ‘roid rage.
Just sayin’.”
I was with you guys on this blog all night last night right? Just in case somebody asks, I need an alibi…
March 25th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Curious to see if the Raiders have published any numbers of us season ticket holders that have gone ahead with initial deposits by 3/21. Interesting if you could grab that information based on this offseason we are having fun with?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I hate to rain on the parade for DMc but some of you guys forget our “O” line cannot pass protect well enough for a rookie QB. We have no LT, one of the most important positions on the “O” line. Forget DMc, he would be great if we did not have so many holes or we are forced to take him for a trade.
Trade down to the jets or Dallas so we can get a ZBS franchise LT at least and then a center or some run support. Mendenhall is a better RB than DMc anyway.
Harris is decent at run support but lousy at pass protection. Henderson was pathetic in preseason and was no where to be found during the season, you want to trust JR’s life to him?. He should have been a starter for a 3rd rnd pick. McMullet is not quick enough for LT either.
If we cannot pass well enough to complement the run game, the run game will eventually get shut down even with DMc.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Yeah, RaiderDogg, you posted about 20 times we saw it.
How much did you get for the rims?
March 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
raiders hsould be able to get there 2nd round back through trading some1. draft gholston 1st an exciting RB second round like jamaal charles. history shows tht running backs can come from no where. the RB wil have no pressure to succeed straight away get a speedy 1 and in a years time wel have bush crushing up the middle and possibly charles round the outside.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I got 4 grand a piece for the rims alone. I just finished installing the entertainment system into my 2002 Isuzu Rodeo. Now I can play XBox 360 in any seat in my truck and in the back. Sound system is sweet too.
The funny thing is the Cedes had these switches in the dash that when you hit them the car shook violently and the lights would go out. Weird.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Yo Dogg,
Just a reminder. Merriman does NOT play for the Lakers!!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I hope they got the stash in Merriman’s glovebox.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
You know, Shawn Merriman is well known as not being quite the sharpest knife in the drawer. he probably found the keys in his own pocket, forgot the car was his, took it out joyriding, and then torched it because he didn’t want his fingerprints on it.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Saint -
Even worse, Merriman is a Charger! At least I have respect for the Lakers. The Chargers do not deserve my respect and they will never get it.
Good one OG!
March 25th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Draft Mcfadden, how many 2 hundred yard games, did this guy have in college, i’ve followed him for 2 years in college as i did adrian peterson, the thing these two guys do have in common is incredibale burst and vision, time after time i’ve seen Mcfadden explode into the secondary with one cut leaving the linebackers planted, then having the speed to outrun the d backs. I dont know about you, but far to many times have i seen justin fargas misplace his feet and lose balance while trying to make that game breakin cut, that mcfadden does with ease. Mcfadden is a thoroughbread at running back he has everything you want size speed agility, and plays big in big games as seen last year. He’s head and shoulders above the rest of the running backs in this years class. The only nack on mcfadden is they say his legs or dead on contact, keep in mind this is sumthing he can work on, and will work on, its not sumthing like speed which is god given talent. There is no strong arguement that makes sense in not drafting the best available player, especially when that player has the potential to be a superstar running back in the silver and black something we havent had since marcus allen. You can argue that we have fargas, rhodes, and bush. Rhodes is a 3rd down/ utility back. Fargas is comming of a knee injury, and his first 1000 yard season. Bush has yet to prove anything, hasnt played in 2 years. All the winning teams in this league have a solid running game thats the key to success, ball possession. Mcfadden teamed with these other backs, will present hell for opposing defenses, as we’ll have fresh running backs all game long. No better way to improve your Dline then by letting them rest, so they’ll be fresh in the 4th. Think about it shoot me a reply lets talk football.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Problem is there are no franchise ZBLT in this years draft and that position is a gamble as well.
Raiderdog,
Last night was not funny. You just took off without me after I played lookout for you. You promised me the games from the 360 as well as that great bong under the front seat.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder -
No worries bro. I just finished cleaning the bong for you. I apologize for last night. I saw Stan Humphries walking down the street and I got spooked.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Sorry Fabian. I’m more into “a good offense is a good defense” mindset. Thanks for the info.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
“franchise ZBLT”? Did you just make up that term yourself? Please explain what a “franchise ZBLT” is.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
i just dont think were a defensive linemen away from teh superbowl so why not draft the best available player
March 25th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
RaiderDog
Apology excepted. I’ll give you the cell phone with all his girls numbers when I get off the phone with them. Strange though, most of them worked outcall for that company that was busted.
March 25th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
DMac had a short shuttle time of 4.08?!
WOW!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Fabian…DMc would be a great addition but what about the “O” line. In God I trust not Tom Cable. You got to have talent at all positions to get to the playoffs. The Raiders lost their last Superbowl because their “O” line fell apart when Barret Robbins went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs before the game. Grab J. Long or better to trade down.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Merriman talking to the cops about his car….
“What’s more chicken than messin’ with a mans car?
Boy, I wish I could’ve caught him doing it. I’d have given anything to catch that a-hole doing it. It’d been worth him doing it just so I could’ve caught him doing it.”
March 25th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I made it up, it was lame.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Fabian you’re right but we’re probably a stout defensive line away from being a playoff team! Then we would upgrade from there.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
mad road dog,
Raiders lost there last Super Bowl because there former coach Gruden who built that Super Bowl team…..was 5 steps ahead of Callahan.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
DeAngelo Hall still doesn’t have a number. Current available numbers are…
32, 38, 39, 41, 43, 44, 45, 48 & 49.
Without someone being released, which is very possible, I could see him taking #41 since he recently wore #21. #32 would be the next best thing.
Roster Notes:
#5 Erik Meyer QB – Never heard of him.
#18 Drew Carter WR – He was able to claim his original number.
#28 Gibril Wilson FS
#77 Kwame Harris OT
#84 Javon Walker WR – Original number.
#96 William Joseph DT
March 25th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Darkknight01…
That did not help the Raiders cause for sure but it was not Gruden breaking through the “O” to sack Gannon. Barry Sims could not handle Simeon Rice and Adam Treu subbing for Robbins could not handle Sapp.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I hope Kiffin opens up the playbook with JR because we need to take some chances next year if we want to be successful.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Good Night Raider Nation!
March 25th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Our game plan in that Super Bowl was horrible. I don’t care how many passes Gannon completed that season, we should have gone into that game thinking 50/50 run/pass ratio on offense. The Buccaneers that year had intercepted 27 passes while only allowing 10 TD passes. Gannon’s 2 TDs compared to 5 INTs is actually BETTER than the average QB’s TD:INT ratio that season! We played right into their hands. Just another example why it’s important to have a balanced offense (for another example, see Patriots/Giants).
March 25th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Huff funny thing is that was one of my BIG criticisms of Kiffin. He was TOO conservative. Later in the year he said himself he was too conservative and was going to take the reins off some of the players. I think it helped, both him and the team.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I loved the fact that we were so conservative on offense last year. We weren’t going to put up huge numbers that way, but it was a great learning experience IMO. Now the team has confidence that they can run the ball. Whereas in the past, whether it was Callahan or Norv or Shell, if we fell behind we abandoned the run. Even if we open it up more this year, if we are down 7-14 points in game, I believe the team will still have confidence if we keep the running attack involved in the gameplan.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Oakglenn – I think McCown was the reason for him being conservative and I also think he wanted to establish the basics. He needed to get this offense to do the normal things. They needed to learn a new blocking technique. They needed to learn how to protect the QB with different players at each position. They had a rookie TE. Who knew that the RB’s would have so much success? There were so many questions to work with and I think Kiffin felt that if he could limit the mistakes of the offense, the defense would be there to save them.
Unfortunately, the defense faultered when they were supposed to be the backbone and being conservative on offense is the one thing that kept us in the games without letting the games get too far away from us. I don’t think Kiffin knew how to trust the guys on offense so he had to treat them like babies and most of the time, they disappointed him. If they couldn’t handle opening up the playbook then how could he justify it? They would just throw the game away early and none of the games would have been close.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
If AD sees Kiffin taking chances and airing it out and we lose, he will be more understanding because he knows we were being aggressive and forcing the issue. Thats one thing that AD appreciates. He would rather lose by punching someone in the mouth, then lay down and just get beaten. AD would have loved to have Favre on his team because thats what made Favre great.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
http://www.raidernews.com/x/article.php?story=20080325061315366
Great article in my mind. This is how I feel.
March 25th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I have no link for this, but a friend just called on read on Raidersfan.net or some site that we are talking with Cincy with sending Stu, Rhodes, & a pick next year for Ocho Cinco.
Anyone hear of that?
March 25th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Trevjo- Something just occurred to me about DMac ….
What the heck are you trying to compare their running styles for? When someone says DMac can have a AP type of effect on an offense, they are referring to his ability to run the ball, not how he runs the ball.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
DSM Raider – Haven’t heard.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
The only thing I know about Ocho Cinco is 2wice he has told Mr Al Davis to call him – Once on Jim Rome is Burning and the other on NFL Live
March 25th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Well trevjo you contradict your hero Kiffin. Personally, I’ll take Kiff’s explanation over yours.
Huff, actually no, the team put up waaay more points early in the season, then it did in the middle of the year. As I’ve said repeatedly in here, to lay the blame on the defense, when you have a 25th ranked offense, an offense that scored 7, 14, 11, and 17 points in it’s last four games, and lost 2 games before that 13-9 and 17-6 to me is kind of short sighted. If you’re losing games 40-30, hey, blame the D!!
March 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
DSM, Chad wants out. Out Out Out!!!! Since the Raiders are taking other teams problems, hey, why not?? I’m sure they’ve thrown a phone call out. Cinncy is not interested in dealing CJ. The feel they can work it out, just like we worked it out last year with Randy Moss!! I think Chad’s a west coast guy, so this might not be a bad fit for him. He’s little. He’s not a big guy. Who knows??? I’m sure there have been some inquiries.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I’ve always kinda liked C Johnson. But after hearing and seeing him this past week on the radio and on Total Access all I can say is, “WTF”?
Total head case if you ask me. Great talent, but WTF???
March 25th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
He’s a headache but he brings it on every given Sunday
March 25th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’ve always thought Chad Johnson was a head case. People think his eccentric antis are entertaining, but think about what kind of person does all that stuff. He’s impossible to talk to. The guy’s compelled by forces that defy reason. Have you tried to take care of a drunk person while you yourself were sober?
March 25th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
DSM, ultimately my point is that I don’t believe that a back who relies on speed as much as McFadden apparently does, CAN have as much impact as Peterson.
Oakglenn, I’m confused, what is the contradiction that you are speaking of?
Also, as far as the offense vs defense discussion, the average score of our games was 17.7 to 24.9. That is bad on both sides of the ball. The average score in the NFL was 21.7. From that, you could make the case that we were worse on offense (4 points below average) than on defense (3.2 above average). Although it’s hard to say, when you consider how much running was done both by us and by our opponents, you would expect fewer opportunities for both teams, and low-scoring games overall.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
A couple of final observations on McFadden.
You also have to consider the fact that he played last season knowing full well that he was gonna be surefire top 5 pick in the Draft.
I can see him not forcing things all the time and trying to remain in one piece, specially when he saw AP drop valuable spots due to his injury concerns and Michael Bush end up in the 4th round after breaking his leg in the 07 Draft.
Also, McFadden will be 20 years old at the time he´s drafted, will remain 20 until a couple of weeks before the season starts, as good as he is, he hasn´t reached his physical peak and probably won´t until he goes trough a full NFL raining camp. AP for instance was already 22 when drafted.
Point is, there´s a good chance we have not yet seen the best McFadden can do.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
McFadden is a once in a decade type back.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJGTC-StZGI
New video of McFadden. He does run hard, but their OLine reminds me of when Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson would get 6-7 yards before someone would even touch ‘em.
Wow! Awesome athlete.
Still, draft DLine or Jake Long.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
And Arkansas had no passing game with SEC defense stacking the run he still stomped ass.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Bob that’s an excellent point. Watching Dmac at times, he didn’t seem like he wanted to be there. Now, knowing a HUGE payday awaits him if he doen’t get hurt, can you blame him??? But then again, it seems to me we’ve drafted waaaaay toooooo many guys who played for the money instead of for the game and the money!! The other point I make is he WAS running behind two All Americans. That can’t hurt.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
One thing alot of fans forget is Al does not pay linebackers or defensive ends top dollar, its not his philosophy.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Believe me you guys I would love to have Darren McFadden in silver and black. What I see when I watch tape of that guy is great vision, and unreal acceleration!! Watching tape, if someone told me, he has sub 4.3 speed. I wouldn’t doubt it.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Kelly is now a DT. I bet they let Burgess play out his contract and leave.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
saintkaufman
D-Mac to the Silver and Blac if AD see’s that video
March 25th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
This may not mean anything, but it worries me:
http://www.raiders.com/team/Default.aspx?id=102
Wilson is listed as FS and Huff as SS, rather than the other way around. Granted, Wilson is also listed as 3rd string, so obviously it’s not final. But it would be encouraging to see him listed at SS and Huff at FS.
March 25th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
I hope not DoeDoe.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
TrevJo the way the Raiders run their defensive scheme the safeties are essentially interchangeable. It’s actually unique the way they do that, unless it’s an obvious passing down and their dropping Huff into coverage. In other words, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Finally! It’s nice to see someone finally give some credit to Andrew Walter. Everyone seemed to get on his case and proclaim him as unfit to play QB when the fact is that the problems with his play stemmed from an absolutely awful offensive line. When Walter has been given a normal amount of time in the pocket he has showed a lot of positive things. I was honestly very confused by the decision last year to make him the 3rd QB. I think he played better than McCown or Culpepper in preseason and I honestly believe they could have won more games if they had let Walter start all 16 of them. Of course, I am also of the opinion that a monkey with leprosy could have done a better job than Culpepper who hasn’t done anything since Moss left him in Minnesota.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
True Oakglenn. I just hope we see Wilson in the box more than Huff.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Iv’e been saying all along that Huff will remain @ SS because he shuts down TE’s – I dont see Huff moving to FS but everyone else seems to believe otherwise
March 25th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Walter just isn’t a fit in this system.
I saw him play in Seattle in ‘06(the famous Brayton groin shot game) and he got sacked 9 times!! 9 times!! Still a young QB, but you gotta know when to get rid of it for Christs sake. Anyways, he looked slow and scared. We had a couple of big play ops and he completely overthrew everybody each time. He’s one tough SOB, I’ll give him that. I tried to give him 5 in the tunnel but I did’nt want to give him his 10th sack of the night.
What a miserable night that turned out to be
March 25th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
They may be afraid to put Andrew in there lest he show up the 60 million dollar rookie
March 25th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
trevjo, one can only hope.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Those of you interested in McFadden or any of the offense skill players in this draft, do yourself a favor and purchase Matt Waldman’s Rookie Scouting Portfolio. His film study and scouting reports go way beyond what you get just about anywhere else, grading every aspect of the player’s game with specific examples from the tapes. Readers of the 2006 and 2007 edition were not surprised by the success of guys like Ahmad Bradshaw or Maurice Jones-Drew. http://www.fftoday.com/scouting/details.php
The 2008 edition will be available April 1. But Waldman has already finished the analysis for it, including 6 game tapes of McFadden, fully reviewed twice each. Here is what he said in a preview since so many people want to know about Run DMC:
“this former QB repeatedly demonstrated noticeable deficiencies that I believe will prevent him from making a consistent impact as an NFL runner: falling backward when making direct contact against first and second level defenders because he runs with poor leverage; the tendency for his legs to go dead upon the initial wrap-up; lacking the ability to change direction with a hard plant and cut; impatience with his blockers; and poor ball protection techniques. Many people have compared McFadden to Eric Dickerson or Adrian Peterson, but the only thing McFadden currently shares with these two backs is his speed.
McFadden’s power is actually something worth calling into question. I am not skeptical of his strength and athleticism. He has plenty of both to be an elite NFL running back. The problem is his knowledge of how to use it. Any type of power you generate when it comes to delivering or deflecting a blow comes from the legs and hips. Not only do they have to be strong, but they also need to be positioned well to transfer energy from your body to your target. They explain this in more detail on shows that study the physics of martial arts—for example, National Geographic did a special where they hooked up UFC fighters like Randy Couture to sensors that measure force and flow of energy throughout the body.
I know it seems a bit like a jump to apply this to a running back, but its not. Think about a runner heading through the line of scrimmage and they are about to face a DT, LB, or DB greeting them head-on. If the runner’s hips are and knees are bent, his shoulders generally have to be leaning forward so he can explode into the contact. When he makes contact the energy transfers from his legs in the ground, up his hips, and to the point of contact with the defender. A great runner has learned through a combination of repetition and intuitive assimilation of practice and game situations (natural talent) how to subtly change the angle of contact in close quarters while delivering enough of a blow to at least “shed” the tackle, if not just knock guy on his butt. This is why a back such as Eddie George who “ran too high” coming out of college actually was a good NFL player. He was taller than the average back, but he knew how to lower his shoulders and bend his knees and hips so more times than not he exploded into contact.
The same can be said with Eric Dickerson. Most people remember his “upright” running style, but if you watch highlights that don’t involve him running through creases untouched for 40-60 yards and looking like Carl Lewis in pads, you’ll see a guy who could get low very quick and deliver a blow with his shoulders into contact. Adrian Peterson is capable of the same thing. I never once worried about his upright running style. The guy has monstrously great balance. When I first thought about comparisons to Peterson vs. McFadden I would watch how McFadden would get yanked out of bounds by the arm a hit to the hips, or a horse collar and see right away from the standpoint of balance Peterson is way different–he stayed in bounds on plays like this all the time (which is what is one of quite a few things special about his skills). But this also has to do with hip and leg alignment and strength.
When I see McFadden in the hole he gets yanked backwards more than many backs (even compared to 6-0, 200-lb Felix Smith) in the hole or knocked down on is butt from head-on hits because his knee bend and hip bend is just not there. How can you tell? Look at his shoulders. A back like George or Dickerson often ran as if their shoulders were a big hand on a clock pointed to the number 2 or at worst between the number 1 and number 2. A back like McFadden is somewhere between the 12 and 1 and never quite at 1. It’s why when he gets hit in the hole he’ll fall backwards more than the average NFL-quality prospect. A back like Edgerrin James, who is unbelievably good at getting low often gets closer to the number 3 position with his shoulder lean as he is still running forward. You can’t do this unless your hips and knees are bent.
It is not to say that McFadden never lowered his shoulder, but it was generally done in the open field with a significant running start against a defensive back. To his credit, he also ran the designed offensive plays to perfection. Arkansas did a terrific job tailoring an offense around McFadden and Felix Jones by forcing defenses to overplay one and get burned by the other. SEC defenses are aggressive and fast. Arkansas Wild Hog defense really worked well to take advantage of their over aggressive tendencies. It’s a glorified counter play with end around play action to a proven runner with 4.4 speed in Jones. How can a defense not wind up out of position as Mcfadden follows a pulling guard? To Mcfadden’s credit, he follows the play to perfection, but the problem came when McFadden had a reasonably normal freelance opportunity and he didn’t possess the vision or patience to allow these normal alternatives to develop when there were no other choices. I’ve heard McFadden can catch, but after watching six games over a two-year period, I saw a runner who dropped easy passes on a consistent basis.
Like Reggie Bush, McFadden will learn that his speed isn’t as much of an advantage in the NFL as it is in college football. Speaking of Bush, I was very high on the USC back and still believe he has the skills to live up to the hype if he can stay healthy and stop pressing so hard to make the big play. In contrast, I think McFadden is more of a project that can develop into a franchise back if he corrects some serious deficiencies and works his butt off to do so. I believe the odds are against him and he will most likely disappoint because I he’s not as instinctive of a runner as many with far less physical talent but can pick up the secondary hole and run with patience to get 3-5 yards when it looks like they might lose 2-3 yards. The one way I could see how his evaluation is off base is if McFadden’s injuries severely altered his running style and he was generally cruising off his incredible speed, but I’m skeptical this is the case. “
March 25th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Well JD, and believe me I like Andy alot, and I think Andy has a great future in the league, but the problem with his play was not only the Oline. Let’s not forget how appalling the offensive schemes and play calls were!!!
All that being said, I’m a little confused, because if you remember the one preseason game he started against the Whiners, he got picked, fumbled, and had another pass that SHOULD have been picked. Other than McCowns start in Denver and David Carr in the Coliseum 2 years ago, I thought that was one of the worst QB jobs I had ever seen.
Bottom line, he doesn’t fit the scheme, and it’s best to see if we can get something for him.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Wow,
Thanks TrevJo.
Man, could have used that this afternoon!
March 25th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
“has said he slipped on a fast food bag on Saturday and put his right arm through a home entertainment center. Schefter reported that he told the team he was wrestling with family members when he got hurt.”
It’s No Mystery…He just had a FREAK accident…It happens!!!
http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/426135
March 25th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I hate to see guys get hurt under any circumstance but I bet the Broncos are Sh!tting themselves over the loss of Javon Walker and the injury to Marshall. They’re screwed against our secondary. They better hope Travis Henry can do it all.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Don’t worry about the Buncos. They signed David Terrell the lst roudner from the Chicago Bears, cut him and then resigned him when guys got hurt. They’ll just bring him and Rod Smith and Vance Johnson back. It’ll be the Three Amigos part dos
March 25th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
The 3 Amigos vs. Asomugha, Hall and Routt. I’m not scared at all.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
David Terrell and Rod Smith…LOL!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Well Huff Denver could throw Rod Smith, Haven Moses and Sammy Winder against our secondary, and if we don’t have any rush, some one will get open.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
TrevJo
I have never heard of that guy and while his analysis seems serious, the guy is nothing more than a fantasy football guru….come on.
His career highlights when you click on his name are:
2006 SOFA Showcase Auction League Champion
Two-time (2005-2006) Fantasy Auctioneer Experts Invitational Champion
Finalist for the FSWA’s 2005 Fantasy Football Writer of The Year Award
Author of The Rookie Scouting Portfolio
And you said:
”Readers of the 2006 and 2007 edition were not surprised by the success of guys like Ahmad Bradshaw or Maurice Jones-Drew.”
Well, I´m affraid they were surprised by AP´s impact since this guys predicted the following:
”The Vikings will feel compelled to get their big-time talent into the backfield, but don’t expect more than a situational role for Peterson in 2007. Averaging anything more than 10 carries a contest will be a bonus for the Vikings rookie.”
Anyway, I don´t mean to knock on you or your guy, after all, if pro scouts miss out on 50% of first rounders you can´t expect outsiders to do any better.
I´ll just take what he said with a grain of salt and hope he´s very wrong if we do take McFadden and totally on the mark if we don´t.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Oakglenn – I couldn’t agree more.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
The Broncos, when keeping it real goes bad!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
The key is not whether McFadden can play in the NFL. The key is whether Kiffin can put him in a position to succeed. Can our offensive line block for a guy like him? Can the passing game be effective enough to take the pressure off the running game? Will McFadden be a change of pace, 3rd down specialist or a 25 carry back? All of these factors will weigh in on how successful he will be and thats in regards to any team. McFadden could be horrible on our team but tap into his full potential on the Packers. You just never know.
Based on what Kiffin was able to do with Reggie Bush at USC, you would think he would know how to use McFadden but that was college so theres not telling.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Sapp – 2 sacks
Burgess – 8 sacks
Howard – 1 sack
Huff – 1 sack
Kelly – 1 sack (Listed as a DT not DE) hummm…
Morrison – 1 sack
Richardson – 1 sack
Turd Sands – 2 sacks
Thomas – 2 sacks
Warren – 4 sacks
23 sacks. May have missed a few.
I agree. They have to get more pressure.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Just checked the stats. Raiders were 28th in the league in sacks with 27.
Only ahead of the Bills, Falcolns, Panthers, and Bengals.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
This just in… Raiders sign QBs Jeff Otis and Erik Meyer.
interesting to say the least…
-WR
March 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Falcons…
I don’t know who the Falcolns are!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I have it from my contact on the island, regarding the 4th pick…unless something unforseen happens, the pick will be Sedrick Ellis,..this source of mine tells me its a lock,..and this is my main island source…and no its not Artie, who got canned and was never talked about.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
If the Raiders take Ellis at DT, it is a lock that Kelly will play DE. Unless they think Richardson is ready to be a full time starter.
They will have Warren, Sands,Shaw and Ellis at DT.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
And another thing, who gives a F about qb`s…Russell will me Peyton Manninglike with snaps, he will never get hurt and never miss snaps,…dont give any concern to 2nd or 3rd string qb`s,..waste of time worrying about that.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I still hope for Gholsten.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
No blitzing, no sacks. We used to blitz when Gruden was the coach. We need to blitz more, ESPECIALLY in the fourth quarter.
As someone here said, draft D line or Jake Long.
Alameda Insider, Sedrick Ellis would be fine.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Ideally Long, Gholston and then McFadden leads the Ellis, Dorsey, Long group at this moment for me.
Dakota mentioned the Rams resigning James Hall, they cut him earlier but went back and gave him a 2 year deal. While it´s hardly a big move, it does provide them with at least a stopgag option at DE and hopefuly they decide on Jake Long.
I´m still worried that NYJ and NE set out to get Gholston and end up trading up with ATL and not with us.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Damn friggin coin toss
March 25th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
And once and for all, there is one college player I can tell you right now as a solid gold fact that will NOT be drafted by the Raiders…Darren McFadden,…so enough of all that,…it will not happen even though he will be on the board. My source on the island told me today that Mike Bush will be the workhorse by week 4….sees him in the gym and on the field running daily,..hes ready.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
AI,
If you really have a source, how does he say Russell looks?
March 25th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Gholston extremely overrated,…Big-10 was down,…the Raiders really like Dorsey, but feel he will only last a couple years with serious leg issues,..hes tough, but wont be able to overcome bum leg…they wont consider him,..its Ellis,..book that.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I like the ideal of Bush getting some PT.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Hip,..I talked to all of you about Russell during that overweight baloney,..hes at the gym at HQ daily, twice daily,..not even remotely out of shape,..my contact tells me he does cardio with Kiffin daily,..on the field with Knapp daily,..hes there every day…dont sweat Russell,..he will be dynamic from game one in 2008
March 25th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
AI, I’m on record saying I’m fine with Ellis, even over Dmac. Move Kelly to NT, Ellis to UT, and opponents, why don’t you try running thru this here brick wall?? Works for me.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Oh and another Russell fact, he may not like it publicized…he lives in a great house in a gated community in the Oakland Hills,..with his mom…neighbors with A`s GM Billy Beane.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I have no prob with Ellis either, except for his college jersey number.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Making me feel all warm and fuzzy with that info. Hope you know your stuff!
March 25th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Not that I’m all fired up about Sedrick Ellis, but I wish I could take you seriously, AI. How the heck are we supposed to know which AI you are?
March 25th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Ellis has reportedly said, not confirmed by me, that if he is a Raider he would like to wear Derrell Russells number.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Frozen, thats not my problem,..I am fully aware of my clones in here,..they try and bring me down to their level but it doesnt work,…I am the real mcCoy,…my season tix are in 127,..about 4 seats from Charles,..aka Darth Raider.
March 25th, 2008 at 8:52 pm