Reece, Spires signed
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Wide receiver, Marcel Reece, who earned a Raiders helmet Sunday for his performance in the Raiders’ rookie minicamp, also earned a contract with the club.
Defensive end Greg Spires, who agreed to terms the weekend, also arrived in Alameda for the start of an organized team activity and signed a contract.
With the Raiders at the 80-man limit, cornerback Duane Starks and fullback Matt Hahn, an undrafted free agent from Penn State, were waived.
Starks was signed April 15.
The OTA runs through Thursday, with practice on the final day open to the media, which means the first look at quarterback JaMarcus Russell on the practice field in nearly a year. Russell is expected to be among the “97 to 98” percent of the roster Lane Kiffin expects to be practicing.
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May 13th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
1st?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
How much did Duane Starks earn for a month of work? I feel bad for that guy, we have been cutting him earlier and earlier every year.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
RRRAAAIIIDDDEEERRRSSSS!!!!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
4th or 5th
May 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
http://www.sbreport.net/2008/05/13/rob-ryan-talks-oakland-raider-football/
Interesting Read.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
how big is Reece? some have him listed at 6′1 230, others 6′3 240, and 6′4 240.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Raider O…
you might be right, no kickers traded for picks, I just thought i recalled something like that, but good proven kickers in FA are very attractive
May 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
good article Thec.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Good to hear.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
SWEET…..Reese is going to play slot! Watch out!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
O what up????? O i looks to me that you are addicted to this site Brotha!!!!!Its all good so am I……
May 13th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
hayesDaze…
stjernerud is in HOF yeah, but the 5 i mentioned are 10 times more worth a HOF spot
May 13th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Reece could be an exciting addition to this offense, 4.42 speed from a 230 pounder with soft hands is always good. His best fit might be as a fullback though, which is pretty deep on this team. I hope the Raiders can at least develop him on the practice squad a little bit. Might be the heir apparent to Justin Griffith some day.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I’ll take a wait and see approach how good the d will be this season but Ryan has some talent in the secondary thats a given.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Cool! one of our ships was just in the picture in a intro of CSI!!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Raider O and HayesDaze…
what do you guys say to we put the kicker talk to rest now =) I mean the kickers are an important part of the game, but enough is enough =)
May 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
LMN, yes they are, I’m not saying kickers are not important, but when you draft one in the top 15 of the 1st round, you are looking for a probowler for many years,and Jano wasnt, not for lack of talent but off the field issues.I mean c’mon when all you have to do is kick, get paid as much as Jano has been getting, you have to make the kicks maybe not all, but better than what he was doing.that denver game got me angry, he made the kick and the next try misses,why?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
you got it LMN.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
and Then there were 80!
Starks … man… is he looking for a scouting job with us or what?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Thec this site help the time goes by b4 the season starts, I’m addicted to football.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Thec did you know we have a raiders bar in SD?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
How many people can be on the scout team?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
O, I am addicted to this site, and football. Glad to know you live in the southland so we can hook up during the season!!!!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
ohh let me just say this, if i could go back in time, regarding kickers…
I would go say to Al, “dont draft Jano”, and go further back and say “draft Morten Andersen, give the guy a 25 year contract, its worth it”
then i’m done with the kickers talk =)
May 13th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
No, I have been looking for one, but no such luck….
May 13th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
951…
i believe its 12 or 8 on the scout team
May 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Can anyone explain to me how we got the chargers playbook ala James Lofton? Why was Lofton dismissed? He had the receivers playing better IMHO.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I thought it was 25 or something like that. That makes it harder to keep some of these guys that just get beat out around to help them develope.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
man me too, EL told me about it, it’s called Casa Picante in santee.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
O, Is it a NATION only Bar?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
he said a charger fan went there once and was chased out, i love it.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Thec,
That is a Norv move. He wants to bring in his guys. Now we can step back and watch the chokers crumble.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Thats nice nothing like a discharger fan to try and spoil a NATION gathering……idiot
May 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
thats what El said, i never been there, but better believe this season i’ll be there all the time.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
If this magical paridise exsists in Santee, let me know and I’ll make the trip down from the north of Temecula and see you guys on Sunday’s!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
That Rob Ryan article was funky. Exact same answers as two weeks ago with the “new” questions tweeked a little bit. Pretty lame.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
im gonna wear my F the raider hater t-shirt.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Magical Paridise, that says it all.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
951, Post 35 ROFL, you make it sound mythical…..
May 13th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
well said thec
May 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
951, the place is listed in the yellowpages.com, you can call to make sure.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
El said he used to bartend there.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
It will be mandatory barring some unforseen issues that we meet in this “magical place” to become refreshed, and talk NATION, and watch NATION destroy the opposition.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I lived in la mesa for a couple of years and never heard of it. That pisses me off. My roommate was a chefs fan. That would have been my home during football season.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Damn san diego black hole of information!
May 13th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Gotta go, work is over. Jump on the 805 and wait.
SB in 3.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
can u say playoffs
May 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Reece to me is like a bigger,faster,and taller D bowe.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
and he is wearing the #81.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
later Thec.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
O…
why do you got a raider hater t shirt ?
May 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
later thec, be safe
May 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
we(the nation)gotta stick together.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I got my f@(k the Chief’s and Bronco’s shirts. Put on almost 60 pounds now they don’t fit. I have to make it to a few games this year and next year to replenish my supply.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
LMN, it’s a (F) the raider hater t-shirt.
May 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
it says RAIDER NATION on the front, and the back it says F#$K the raider hater.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Raider O…
ahhhhhh that makes sense =)
my local soccer club has a support faction named (translated) “everybody hates us” =) because we are the most wining club (easy to hate – like the raiders)… but sadly the last few years, both raiders and brøndby have had same destinies…. but it looks bright for both two now =)
May 13th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I missed the F =)
May 13th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
1st?
May 13th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
How about Reece as a TE? I thought I heard someone compared him to Shannon Sharpe.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
i got 1 for my wife too, she love it. gotta get her the one that says real women wear black.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
RAIDER O…
We have a Raider bar here in Phoenix too! They’re all over the place!
I’m in!
May 13th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
just saw a couple on ebay that looked cool. One for the misses “pirate wench”, and a kids shirt that say’s: Even I know the Chiefs suck! Go Raiders……they will be here in 2 weeks or less.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
this is a good play from reese Marcel Reese – Apple Cup
May 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
my wife is going to hide my credit cards while Im laid up if I don’t watch out. A month of bed rest is going to drive me nuts……..but at least I’m with friends.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
its on youtube
May 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Thec,
Lofton was dismissed in San Diego to give a job to former Charger and Hall of Famer Charlie Joiner, Joiner was a coach elsewhere and was let go there, when he became available most likely owners and management decided to bring in one of their own,
which is exactly what Al did when Lofton became available.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I tried putting a link on here a couple of times and it keeps getting dropped.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
isnt reece?
May 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
The sqaws fired Joiner and then the sparks added back one of their fireflys.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Good Night Raider Nation!
May 13th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
If Lofton can work with the talent that the Raiders have on the roster the same way he did with the garbage on the chokers roster, they should come around.
Add him and a new Strength and conditioning coach and it looks promising.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
later ex
May 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
What was it COW? “Studs” “Freaks” “Steals”. Too funny.
May 13th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I guess that means no koren robinson?? or no chris henry??/
May 13th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Im so ready for that monday night opener…wings beer..smoke and a raider victory…thats what I need….ps Im not fat
May 13th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Jerry…
Can you get me a pass to Thursdays practice???
May 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Bush is the new a-train Darren McFadden is the road runner beep- beep
May 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
f the donkeys..i say shoot out shanarats other eye and then he will have to wear a patch on it!!!! Then he will look like our logo kinda,then stick swords in his head that will finish him off!!! How sweet would that be??????? lol…..pc
May 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
5 – Thec
Thanks for the link! Glad to see Warren is there working out…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
what are we going to do about stu shweigert
May 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Raider O, post 17:
You’re talking about one of my pet peeves here. I feel exactly the same. A number one pick and Seabass has yet to come through, especially in a game winning situation. Plus his off the field problems. I for one would be happy to see him replaced by some rookie or just a consistent kicker up to the 50 yard range. Ya, Seabass has distance capabilities for up to 65 yards, but that has never won a game for us yet.
As I’ve said before on this site, we need someone in the stands, behind the end
zones waving a volka bottle back and forth when he’s about to kick. Give him a target that he likes…maybe he’ll make a few.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
So how much longer does Kiffin have in Oakland?
If he stays, we might win 8 games this season….with an emphasis on might.
The kid is lost, apparent by interviews recently. The coaching staff is under fire, all of them are talking to the media, which tells you one thing, they’re being set up….
Ha ha
May 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
We have a Super Bowl squad with a copy cat Head Coach who has no loyalty to the sport of football.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Sweigert is a stud, do you recall anyone scoring on long plays last season? A safeties job is to keep big plays from happening. The fact he was the guy making the tackles isn’t his fault, rather, it’s the coaching staff!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
T T T Today Jr……
May 13th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I’m up for a giant cardboard or wood bottle shaped sign on the wall behind the goal post in each endzone. Think we can get it done?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
coach elkins what the hell are you talkin about it seems to me that kiffin may improvement to the team i dont know what you were watching but the raiders never had a running game before until last season the d-fence slipped a bit but i think the big o did ok for themselves
May 13th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
coach, step away from the crack pipe
May 13th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
They couldn’t have got any worse Bill. 4-12 on an improvement is like upgrading from Rasanna to Oprah as your wife….neither is exactly an improvement.
This is the Oakland Raiders. Super Bowl or bust. Kiffin will never even get us to the post season let alone the Super Bowl.
The guy lookslike he’s gonna piss his pants every time he does an interview….
Wake Up!
Amazing
May 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Crack Pipe, lol….hey nation, bait your hook again, your worm is on the ground…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Kif saw the error in his ways last year, he should come in with a better game plan than someone playing “Madden” would use. I love the guts on 4th and short, but 4th and 5+ just shouldn’t happen in the NFL when your struggling. RR should be able to see what is going on now that the hair is under new ownership. And the new Strength and Conditioning coach will keep them going in the 4th this year.
All and all 9-7 or better. period.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
With fans who know so little about football, its easy to see why we’ve only won 19 games in 5 years!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
so coach how many times did they get to the QB this last season
May 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Who is they, the raiders?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
well coach i beat you know it all huh
May 13th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Wow coach, your so insightful. I didnt realize the fans were the ones on the field loosing the games? Thank you for pointing that out. I will have to remember that the next time I try to run the ball out 7 yards deep.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Not many….you’re getting warm…we rarely blitz (bring 5 men) and when we do, its never disguised, ever.
Our man to man coverage just sits there like a lame duck…
Rob Ryan cut his hair cause he knows he’s done too.
Knapp needs to go as well….
May 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
How many college assistants have made the jump from college to pro Head Coach and have been successful?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Nation, what do you want to know….cause I have any answer unless we’re talking about the women in your life!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Kool kell, where are you headed with your statement?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
If the coaching staff is soo bad, who would you replace them with?
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ryan go, he sucks as a DC. If the Raiders could get back to a top 10 rated D this year that is the only way I see him sticking around.
Kif is young and still learning the ropes, would rather have him calling the shots then Shell, Turner, etc. etc.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
And where the hell is Dakota anyways, he seems to be the man around here, when I’m outta the room that is!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Replace them with me!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
The NFL has created a huge problem for itself. The players make 10 times the amount the coaches make. The players know this, so why should they listen.
The players are right in their thinking. The coaches are all out for themselves, using devious tactics like Kiffin and Shanahan last season. All concerned with nothing but their jobs, not the welfare of the team./
Al Davis has to be setting Kiffin up…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
It’s starting to sound a lot like MR talk around here!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
That is all you got? you are pathetic. try answering a question mr. insightful.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Its like American politics inside the game.
The coaches all hire men who they know, all copy former coaches, never letting new innovative minds into the game.
The NFL is tired when it comes to coaching football, and they know it.
Younger coaches with new ideas is the future, if the NFL can create a fan base outside this country.
People are broke everywhere, our dollar is declining, and with that, will be a decline in attendance.
Look at baseball!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
If you could do better, get off welfare, get out and find a job, prove yourself, and then step up.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
You are someone who has to call someone pathetic, don’t try and label me, cause you only end up labeling yourself.
Now what was your question again?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
i’d rather watch tennis then baseball….both are boring. at least with tennis you get to see women in skirts with tight shirts.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
I have already been contacted by the Raiders.
I have already sent them a 400 page playbook, Al Davis has it as we speak.
And I don’t believe in welfare!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
I’m just saying the Coach is green as heck, young and probably intimidated by some (Culpepper, Moss). Probably more comfortable with young scrubs.
That QB media merrygoround last year was bush. Coaching is a people business, and I’ve read he’s got problems there.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Now what was your question?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Coaching is mostly about taking responsibility.
If the team fails, its the coaches job to assume the blame. This only improves the confidence the team has in its coach. Kiffin took no such responsibility. Instead, tried to inquire about another job during the season and tried to get his DC fired. Some leadership!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I wouldn’t even want you coaching Pee~Wee.
So which is it, insightful one……
Kiffin is pissing his pants or young innovative coaches are needed?
I can do with out your Economic Forecast…
So spare me that,
well, come to think of it,
I could do without anymore of your idiotic ramblings
as well…..
But…we’ll just go with this for now.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Are you all blind?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Kiffin is an NFL coaches son, who has had his mouth spoon fed his whole life.
Shanahans kid behind him….
The NFL is a joke!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
If Kif can’t handle the pressure Al won’t keep him around. But the coaching carosel has to freeking stop! Last years QB sideshow was a bit much. Going for it on 4th and long…..also bad calls. He has to step up this year or he will be gone by mid season. With the strenght of schedule the Raiders better be 3-1 no worse then 2-2 by the bye week. If not, I can see him getting canned. Unless they are very close losses.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
The Raiders shouldn’t lose a game, thats how much talent Mr. Davis has on the team this season…..
Still, its always a reflection of the Head Coach, and with Kiffin, there is no hope at all!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
For being a “coach” you sure yap about a Coaches responsibility plenty.
What of the Players & theirs?
What about CHEMISTRY? FAMILIARITY?
None of this matters, coach?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
He had 5 top draft picks on his team at USC and couldn’t beat Texas in college, a 4th down play where Reggie Bush was on the sideline…
Some gameplanner…
Their passing game is pathetic
Their run game’s success is due to Tom Cable and a host of good backs, even though we went against 8 man fronts all year.
We never run out of spread sets, always out of I.
THe Raiders are as predictible a team as there is in the league.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
People can bitch and moan about Kiffin, but he did a better job than Art Shell in his first year.
At least the raiders had some life in them. In the “Horror Show from sHell” year, they looked like the most pathetic NFL team in some time.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Chemistry is the job of the coach. The coach is the man who mirrors the men on the field. Everything he reacts to or ignore is noticed by the team. He is the General, the spokesperson, and the man who assumes blame.
This is his job.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
coach tell me something are you a raider fan doesnt sound like one
May 13th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
You are mad. Keep sucking up to “Mr. Davis” but his “Great off season” is questionable at best. Wilson is the only proven player that was signed. Period. The rest of the players have huge injury concerns or never lived up to their potential. The draft was subpar at best. A 4th round pick for a good servicable CB that was taken in the 1st. Great move. Almost as good as the 3rd rounder last year that didn’t make the team. Player personnel matters need a serious makeover.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Yes, he did a better job that Shell, that is true, but thats just changing the subject.
The subject should be how to get back to the Super Bowl.
Not, is our current coach better than a man who only won 2 games…
common, we’re smarter than that!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I don’t mean to be too negative, but how can a 31 yr old with NO/EXP lead men on an NFL team to the playoffs?
We obviously need continuity in coaching, but Al should have hired a NFL guy, if one would take the job.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Last time I checked “coach” Kif didn’t have anything to do with the USC Defence giving up 200 rushing yards. Lets try again shall we?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I am not really a Raider Fan, I am an Al Davis fan.
He has keep old school values in the league and I want to help assist him in further attempts to keep the league honorable!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Again, you changed the subject….
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
the magic lost.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
ok coach could u make the raiders a much better team you think you could i dont think so i think kiffin did a great job and i believe we will go over 500
May 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Did Gruden have NFL/Playoff experiance before Al hired him? How about Madden? Flores was a player and did a pretty good job as a coach. Flawed logic guys.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
If we don’t win the Super Bowl all talk is simply an excuse, not a reason….
It’s all about number 1 in my book.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I am not really a Raider Fan, I am an Al Davis fan.
you in the wrong site, you need to go to i love men sites.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
nice quote raidernation very well put
May 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Predictions of over .500
What a fan?
Why not spread positive thoughts, see something before it happpens, live a little…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Kif will have a good season this year. The ramblings of some people on here crack me up. Which is quite painful at this moment in time.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Raider951 all those guys had NFL coaching exp.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Raider O that hurt. that was funny man.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Shall we discuss scheme…
You predictions are tiring me…ha ha
May 13th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Kiffin is going to get fired…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Can anybody name a college assistant who jumped to the NFL head coaching job with no exp, and been successful????????????
May 13th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
How that for a prediction
May 13th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
coach i dont really hear anything positive coming from u if you are a raider fan
you think you can coach better than kiffin i dont think so
May 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I’m not going anywhere….what did I say that was negative?
Regarding anything besides our current Head Coach
May 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
You hire a 31 yr old coach with absolutely no Head Coaching experience? What kind of logic is that?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Positive, alright, I’ll start with Justin Fargas.
He will be the starting TB this season. This man is a Raider through and through.
Russell, a great talent who just needs a bit of polishing…
May 13th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
KoolKell – No…but there are plenty of Head Coaches who had previous experience in the NFL or have been former NFL Head Coaches or who have been Hall of Fame Coaching that have come back and have sucked during their 2nd stint. Theres 32 teams with 32 Head Coaches who have been hired for one reason or another. If only 1 wins the Superbowl, is everyone else considered a failure as a coach? Who cares if Kiffin is a “no name” guy. We had Norv Turner, who had Superbowls as an offensive coordinator with the Cowboys who has never been a Head Coach. Its the luck of the draw.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
coach you type negative and i dont believe you are a positive person at all
May 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Reece only has to beat out 27 more freaks and he’s in!
BTW Jerry – Does the 80 man roster limit include unsigned draft picks or are we looking to cut 5 more guys before camp?
Practice squad is a final waiver activity. (Somebody asked)
May 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
This came from a google search.
Madden began coaching after an aborted career as a professional football player — he was drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles, but never made the active roster because of an early knee injury. He had short stints coaching in California at Hancock Junior College (1960-64) and San Diego State (1964-66) before landing a job as an assistant with the Oakland Raiders of the National Football League in 1967
No pro experiance. I guess he didn’t deserve his shot either.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
see what is going on here that member the time Jimmy Johnson got his shot at being a coach from college and drafted QB and than RB the following year what happen to them
May 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Huff24, glad you’re here, can you answer the question?
Can anybody name a college assistant who jumped to the NFL head coaching job with no exp, and been successful????????????
May 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Well Bill, I’ll just have to try and change your mind one day at a time then.
I’m sorry I wasn’t more convincing.
You were the only guy who’s opinion I was trying to sway.
Ha ha!
May 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
I wonder what kind of tweaks Rob Ryan is talking about? You have to wonder if Kiffin sat down with Rob and looked at film so he could point out what he would attack as an offensive minded person. Sit down and look at how easy it is to exploit Rob’s defense. Hopefully Kiffin did that and those are the tweaks.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Hey Huff, what kind of tweaks do you reccommend?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Regarding anything besides our current Head Coach
I am not really a Raider Fan, I am an Al Davis fan
how can it be our coach, if you are not a raiders fan.
you need to go drink some of our kool aide.
May 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
How about a high school coach who jumped to the League with no experince and had success?
Ha ha
May 13th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
KoolKell – I don’t know of any but there are plenty of other coaches with NFL experience that have failed. You know what I mean?
May 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
A coach has a job, and its not to befriend the players, therefore, labeling a coach as a fan would be counter productive.
Does this help explain….
May 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
how do u figure that out coach that u can change my mind
May 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Results, you’ll remember my name, trust me!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I don’t think that analogy holds Huff.
There have been many horses who didn’t win the Kentucky Derby either, but a donkey never has.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
well someone tell coach apply for a head coaching job and see if he gets it
May 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
The difference between a donkey and a horse is the spelling.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
my moneys on the zebra!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
A coach has a job, and its not to befriend the players
ever heard the term A PLAYERS COACH
May 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Apply?, nahh, I just contacted Amy Trask instead, it was much quicker!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Coach – Well. Adding better players as we have, definately helps. I think our defense is very simple and I would want our defense to operate in a fashion similiar to the Eagles. I want bigger defensive lineman across the board with speed as an asset. I would blitz alot and move people around to confuse the offense with formation changes on a consistent basis.
Now…I really like the players we have but I don’t think we disguise what we do the same way the Eagles and Jags do. The thing I notice about our defense is that we rush 4 only too often while dropping our linebackers into coverage most of the time while playing Huff against the TE, playing man on the corners and playing 1 deep safety. If I can figure that out, anybody can.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Yes, I have Raider O. What’s your point?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Too bad Bill Belicheat isn’t available. He would make a great coach. His moral values are just what this team needs.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
KoolKell – Well. What would you rather have? Who do you want as our Head Coach?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
The difference between a donkey and a horse is the spelling
maybe they will start racing them instead of horses in the K Derby.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
well coach you got one thing right a donkey and a horse
May 13th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
What’s happenen Nation
May 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Kool it’s an irrelevant discussion. It’s like the morons who say no team has won a super bowl with a black qb they drafted. There’s always a first time. Kiffin will be judged on his merits just like JR. That’s what’s wonderful about sports.
Can anybody name a 6th rd qb to win multiple SB’s (before Brady)?
Kiffin is already better than Shell and Turner were AND he has room to grow.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Well…If you started racing nothing but Donkeys, I guarentee a Donkey would win.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Huff, I agree with everything you said with an exception of the Jags. Their Defense does not disguise anything at all. However, they do have a great front 4. They win with old school smashmouth mentality and a tough minded attention to detail. Jones Drew and a new up and coming QB doesn’t hurt either.
Back to Oakland, disguising your coverage and blitz package is vital to the NFL game, and we simply, like you said, lack that in the Raider scheme!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Kiffin is not a better coach than Norv Turner, Coach on Wheels, you are going to be ignored until I hear some truth!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
a players coach, is a guy that the players love and respect, he is also a friend to them, a person the players will go to war for.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Yes…Kiffin’s potential to grow, exceeds that of Turner and Shell. No question.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
And yes, we can do this all night….
This is more fun than I anticipated!
Anyone have something interesting to discuss…..
like X’s & O’s perhaps?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
El, i was telling 951 and Thec about the nation bar.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Coach Elkins – Yeah…the Jaguars aren’t as elaborate as the Eagles but I do like how the Jags find HUGE and very fast players for their defense. We tend to find small and fast players and they get worn down quicker and eventually run over to the point that their speed is no longer an asset. If you lose your speed during the game, at least have the size to make up for it.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
you are the coach, you tell us.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
coach what makes you a better person
May 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
A big and slow Biekert got the job done better than a smaller and faster Morrison. I like Morrison but hes a guy who needs protection in front of him in order for him to be successful.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Kiffin has done a better job in Oakland than Turner did. Turner was a yes man who kept guys like Whitted around. Turner bounced Gallery all over the place. If Turner is a better coach he wasn’t a good fit in Oakland.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Good point. However, if a team is going to excel in the playoffs, like against the colts and Patriots, the main competition, a team must be built to beat those teams.
The Jags will not be able to outscore those two teams in the post season. They will make the playoffs, no doubt, but will fail because of an inability to score in games late in the season.
Big and strong, yes, but that doesn’t help when your team is spread out with 4 and 5 wr sets.
See my point.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
If he doesn’t win 9 games (a tall order) he’s probably fired.
I don’t know Huff. We need continuity there for sure. Somebody Al feels comfortable with philosophically, at least 40 yrs old with NFL exp, and support him for the next 5 years.
I think Coaching is a people business for an experienced adult. I’ve read Kiffin is not very good in that area. Has the ability to put people off without realizing it. That comes with exp, but will he get it?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Coach Elkins – Why do you feel that Kiffin is not a better coach than Turner? I just want to know.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Kiffin did better than turner in Oakland, yes, I agree, but he isn’t a better coach!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
huff24 dont go there coach knows football like bo knows
May 13th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
I think Kiffin is a decent OC, but not a good Head Coach. I think Turner is a great OC, and only a decent Head Coach!So, I think they are both Coordinators, but not good in the job of Head Coach!
Understand!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
I called the Giants beating the Patriots for the haters…..
May 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
And the Raiders personnel departments knows it!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
We can do this all night!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Bring Belicheck in here, he’ll cry!
The only guy who I’ll bow to is Al Davis!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Norv Turner has a body of work to analyze, but I don’t think his record was ever as bad as it was in Oakland. The Oakland Raider Organization is a special case.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Where’s Dakota….? He is a football guy for sure…
And who is Huff, he is someone too!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
that was kiffins first year give him a break right now he has brought in some good talent for this up coming season
so coach if kiffin does another bad season i will agree with you but i seen something different in his shceme that will make the raiders a better team
May 13th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Huff24 Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
A big and slow Biekert got the job done better than a smaller and faster Morrison.
Beikerts strength was in reading defenses. It took him awhile to learn how to do that. Remember that this is only Captain Kirks 4th season. Hopefully he improves at that skill this year.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Norv couldn’t deal with the heat in Oakland. You have to love Al Davis and appreciate the man to have success in Oakland. Most people just have to point their fingers at him cause he is just so dam smart. You have to let your ego go if you work for this man, cause if you don’t he’ll break you down mentally just to teach you what football is all about, and most people just really don’t know.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
KoolKell – Jon Gruden didn’t mesh philosophically with AD and was only 34 I believe when he was hired and he was around for 4 years.
Kiffin I believe meets AD on a philosophical level, moreso than Gruden. I think Kiffin and AD are alot alike and Kiffin wants to move and shake things around just like AD but AD still has the final say and Kiffin probably thought he could get away with things until AD had to stop him from getting out of control. There has never been a perfect set of players on this offense before that fits exactly what AD has always wanted and now we finally have it with what I believe to be a young AD at Head Coach.
Madden was also very young when he took over and they were successful for a good 10 year period while earning 1 Superbowl as you would know better than I but you can’t always look for a veteran coach because they’re stuck in their own ways and they are usually yes men who won’t be creative enough to make a big enough impact and God knows we’ve had enough of them already.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
i agree with coach E on Turner, he is a great OC, and only a decent coach, but with Kiffin you can’t say that yet cause he was a rookie coach last year. it was his 1st season in the NFL as a head coach.after some time like 2 or 3 more seasons you can evaluate him.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Bill, you are already starting to agree with me, just go back and read your posts!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Kiffin is a loser, I can see it in his eyes!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
And hear it in his tone!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Madden had NFL experience and a Cadillac team. Hall of Famers galore.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
I just watched the Raider Report, and they showed a clip of Wilson sacking Brady. I thought, “That is why we signed Wilson.”
May 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
you are a soul reader too.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
He has no confidence in his team, and therefore, himself!
Jus look up his acceptance interview and listen to him compared to intervies he did over the weekend. The guy is done!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Gruden also had considrable NFL EXP. OC for Eagles.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Where are all the great football minds in this room….
I have a question?
What are the odds of the Raiders winning the SuperBowl this season?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Oakglenn – I’m certainly not putting Morrison down. Hes a good player but hes not dominant. Patrick Willis is better than Morrison after his 1st year, I’ll tell you that. Hopefully Morrison hasn’t hit a ceiling but maybe Morrison has only been as good as his defense will let him be with the current coaching thats in place. Biekert was a rock.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
coach i dont think you understand
i havent agreed with u until kiffin has a better record but i know they will go over 500 with kiffin
i said i would agree with u if they have a losing season like the same record dont twist my words
May 13th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
man, stick a fork in you, you are done.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I’ll tell you…
They are the same as for any other team…..
One chance in 32
May 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
there you go with the over .500 again.
Way to set your goals high buddy!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
same odds of you being related to MR.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Coach Elkins- 1-32
May 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Peace out.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Just ask the Partiots how important just making the playoffs or finishing above .500 is?
The last game in February is all that matters.
It’s all we AS FANS should be discussing. How to get our team back on top!
PERIOD!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Willis is much more instinctual than Kirk unfortunately. Again, as you say, hopefully Kirk hasn’t hit his ceiling. I don’t think he has.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
coach wanna talk Xs and Os, fine. don’t say he is a looser cause you can see it in his eyes.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
well coach what do u hope for
i know a new coach
well they do have a new tv series coming out i want to be a head coach in the NFL
May 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Morrison is a stone cold stud….
Great against the run, and quick to read play action in the pass….
Really like the future of this kid…
He’s a rock inside!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I said he was a decent OC, thats all you get. Right now, he is a losing Head Coach with a team that should have won 9 or 10 games last season!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Eyes, tone, and body language tell you all you need to know!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I think Kiffin did a great job considering what he took over as a Head Coach. Shell had a ton of NFL experience and that sure as hell didn’t help him much when he returned. We were LUCKY to get 2 wins from him. For Kiffin to take a team that was beaten and battered down over the last 4 years and confused as all hell by the Shell/Walsh debacle, it was absolutely AMAZING for this team to reach 4 wins considering the new system, new coaching staff, McCown at QB, new blocking system and poor players.
Also factor in the fact that the defense didn’t live up to expectations and you have a recipe for disaster but Kiffin is bright and babied this team to 4 wins while letting the young and future players sit on the bench and learn so they could be ready for year 2. Along with that, we were fortunate to get coaches like Knapp, Rathman and Cable and the veteran coaching experience has helped tremendously in shaping this team together. I honestly have to say, with the new additions to the team and the fact that we’re in year 2, we have alot of potential and I believe Kiffin is the right man for the job.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
really coach you think so coach wow you know it all huh coach
May 13th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
won 9-10 games!!!!!!! put the pipe down.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
What show are you referring to BILL?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
someone needs to take your pipe away, you are a danger to yousrelf and others.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Coach, the Pat’s and Fin’s are the only 2 teams in resent memory to go 16-0 during the regular season. Do I think the raiders can do that with the current squad….Hell no. Do I think that they have a real shot at 13-3, yes. With so many variables, qb play, run d, pass d, jano hitting kicks, etc, etc. They have just as good a shot as any other team in the league. Past records are out the window at the begining of each season. With the roster moves, another year of experiance for Kif….etc, I think they will be closer to 13-3 then 3-13. They couldn’t do that with out a coach!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Nice post Huff, but you are incorrect.
Kiffin has no loyalty, he’ll jump ship as soon as he can. Just like he did at USC. If he cared about his team, he would have stayed where he was, not tried to jump start his career with a team that was clearly ahead of his level. He had to kow with a father in the league he would no doubt receive an opportunity at some point in the League, but, he had to have it his way, and he bit the bait that Mr. Davis set in front of him, and he is paying for it now.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
http://www.easports.com/nflheadcoach09/home.jsp
This should be ALOT better than the original Head Coach game. They’ve changed things around and improved everything dramatically with different people making the game.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
9-10 games!!!!!!!!!!!!you really know what you are talking about, put the PS controler and the pipe down.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
pipe 1st.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I do Bill…referring to football!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
coach are you a kiffin hater or a raider hater
May 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Hey Raider O, I love YOU!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Coach Elkins – I’m as incorrect as you my friend. Only time will tell as to what will truly happen and we just have to sit and watch to find out. Being Optimistic…I really think we’re going to have a good season based on our schedule and the improved team. Thats just me of course. We have potential to win 10 games but 8 games realistically.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I am not a Kiffin hater, he simply will never in his NFL career win a Super Bowl, no matter how much talent he has.
Never!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Bill,
May 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
coach so who would u like to coach for the raiders
May 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Captain Kirk is a solid player with a ton of athleticism. If he’s going to the next level, it’s going to have to be a result of maturation above the shoulders. There’s no excuse for him being out of position so much.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Lets be realistic then Huff…
A football season has a mind of its own.
There is a team out there who believes more than the others, and they are the one that will win it all.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Blah…sorry.
Bill, Raider O – Don’t get too bothered. Remember, you won’t always agree with everyone. Just take it in stride.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
If Kiffin is a Raider, then it won’t be the silver and black.
Hold on, I gotta hit my pipe real quick!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Coach Elkins – Maybe…but they could also have more injuries than everyone else and BOOM!…their season changes.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Injuries are just an excuse….
You either do or you don’t….
May 13th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Raiders fans the one thing I know is that they should not have a problem at HB.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I obviously want to win the Superbowl but I at least just want to see a successful team year in and year out. I’m so sick and tired of losing all the time. I’d rather see a competitive team on the field like the Gannon era. Its tough to win the Superbowl.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Coach Elkins – Injuries change the outlook of a whole team. You go from a talented squad to an average squad. Thats not an excuse, thats just a complete turn around of talent and you need it to win. You have to have reliability on the field. Thats why there are starters and bench warmers. Who do you think is going to lead your team to victory?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Coash i told you, you in the wrong site.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Ice – We shall see on that one. Fargas (Injury Prone), Bush (Unknown) and McFadden (Rookie).
May 13th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Its a team sport, and in the NFL it has been forgotten.
Injuries are part of the game, and a team can win with them.
I’ll give you a Raider example.
Jim Plunkett!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
All the players are talented, they just all believe the hype when the hype is almost always BS!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Coach, i disagree with most of what you say. i respect your opinions, well, not the part about loving me.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
AKA
DAVID TYREE
May 13th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Eli Manning vs Tom Brady
impossible you say….
please!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
The Raiders winning the Super Bowl should be so much harder…
please!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Coach Elkins – Ok. And if Jim Plunkett never comes in, what happens?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
It’s a dog fight, a war, and the best team wins it ever year assuming one of them isn’t cheating!
AKA the TUCK!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Why even talk about Kiffin leaving? Especially after 8-10 wins this year? Where else could he go and be in a better coaching situation? What team has more young top notch talent than us right now? I tell you what, There would be a line of coaches trying to coach the Russell/McFadden/Bush show.
8-10 wins without question! Have you non believers even looked at the schedule?
May 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
If a guy gets hurt, you replce him, you caoch him up, you don’t friggin dwell on it, you just work with it.
If you focus your attention on the problem, you’ll never find the solution!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
The reason they have all this talent is cause they’re getting rid of Kiffin….
May 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I almost drove off of the freeway today when listening to Sirius. Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan took a call from a Raider fan asking for their opinion on the Raiders’ chance to compete for second in the division. Both hosts suggested that the Raiders should take second place if they can get in a good camp and keep the team relatively healthy. Kirwin went on to say that he could see the Raiders and Bills as the surprise teams of the year when the dust settles. All of this is predicated on JR playing efficient, and McFadden providing the impact he’s expected to bring. He believes McFadden is going to blow people away. Not because of speed, moreso his versatility. Kirwin feels like the raiders have enough “potential” on offense that will be almost impossible to cover. If the end result is a defense applying one guy to each player of offense then the raiders should score big. Again, assuming JR is efficient.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Have to teach the man something about loyalty!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Huff24 If Fargas can last as many games as he did last year I see him with 1500+ yards and Bush and McFadden are fresh and healthy they should not have any Injury problems. But all is not known so we will have to see what happens. I think Fargas will do great if starting every game. If he does then drafting McFadden will seem like a bad choice but the future if unknown to almost every body. So time will tell.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I should also say that he can see the Raiders throwing it all away if the OL falls apart. However, he is inclined to think that this won’t happen due to the coaching of Cable.
May 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Kirwin???? Is he replacing Kiffin?
Ha ha
May 13th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
So, lets just start with the Broncos…
How are we gonna beat them!
May 13th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Kirwin???? Is he replacing Kiffin?
Funny. He was rumored for the player personnel job last year wasn’t he? He actually has a good relationship with Kiffin so it doesn’t surprise me to hear him speak positively about the Raiders.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Makes sense…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Hey assassin, how are we gonna finish this upcoming season?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
hey coach why not Matt Walsh
May 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Coach Elkins – Well, thinking about whether Kiffin will be gone or not doesn’t help this year at all. I’d prefer to look at the positives of this team and not worry about whether the Head Coach will be here or not. Thats like worrying whether people in your family will still be alive after the year. We just don’t know so why worry?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Ha ha…
What a fiasco that whole deal was….
All they want to talk about are the Rams tapes, deflecting the real issue.
Can’t really discuss that one…
haha
May 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
The broncos are going to be better than most think. They had a lot of injuries last year.
But the best way to beat them is to shut down the TE seam routes and eliminate travis henry. I’ll take our chances with Cutler throwing against our secondary.
I’m sure they’ll blitz the crap out JR so I would expect McFadden/Bush and Miller to have good games.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
There are 3 kinds of people.
“People who watch things happen, people who make things happen, and people who don’t know what’s happening” -John Madden-
Which one are you!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Assassin – Thats the scary part. Kwame Harris NEEDS to be the real deal or we’re effed. We signed a RT that was HATED in Niner land and placed him at LT to be the protector of JR? It better work out.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
for past 4 hours we havent said anything about our new names for bush and McF and hall and nnamd or morrison and howard and hartwell
May 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Coach Elkins – Considering I can’t do much to change the Raiders other than watch and support them, I must be one to watch things happen…thats all a fan can do.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
the broncos have more problems on the D-line than we do.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Assassin, great post.
They also give away too much.
Their RB’s are at 7+ yards depth on all run and playaction pass plays. All drop back and others they are at 6.
Tell you what, we’re gonna beat the S*** outta them Broncos, I promise you that!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Assassin – Who do the Broncos have at TE?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Elkins – If you’re forcing me to predict (assuming the team is relatively healthy) I would guess 9-7 based on our schedule. The reality is probably 7-9 or 8-8 as I don’t think we can get everyone on the same page in one season, especially with a revamped OL and a new QB. We have a ton of talent but none of them have experience with each other which is highly underrated. I’ve said it before on here, players need to know each others tendencies to develop feel and instinct. I would expect next year to be a great season.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
and thier secondary is old. it showed last year when thier line was sorry.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
A fan can spread positive energy throughout the internet and the through their circle of friends and have an affect if they believe in that kind of idea…trust me.
The Raider Nation is waking up, only wish their Head Coach could partake in the situation!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Screw the record, all we want to be is 1-0!
From there, we worry about week two.
Talking about 7-9 vs 8-8 vs 16-0 is all a waste of time!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Raider O – Their D line sucked last year, but this is a new year. They have a stud at DE (Moss) and they added Dwayne Robertson.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Think 1-0 and the direction we’re going is the Super Bowl….Period…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
“The Raider Nation is waking up, only wish their Head Coach could partake in the situation!”
Thats the negative energy the Nation doesn’t need. Ya know what I mean? Leave Kiffin alone so he can help turn our team around.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
So…if we start 0-1…no Superbowl?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Your entitled to that opinion HUff…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Huff24 – Scheffler is the TE, and his backup is Daniel Graham. Scheffler is underrated. He’s as good or better than Miller, and trust me, it kills me to say that because I’m a huge fan of Miller.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
KC, they have a good line on deffense but thats it. no O-line,no QB, and with no QB, or time to throw the ball to thier 2 weapons TE and Bowe, it should be easy to beat them.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
coach you are a waste of time
May 13th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
There’s always someone coming on our blog saying bad things about our Coach LANE KIFFIN.It’s getting old and tired but people keep on saying negative things about our coach.They can’t be RAIDER FANS that would come on our blog and say those things about our coach who has only been here ONE YEAR.Kiffin this and Kiffin that,what’s up with some people,give it a rest.Unless your SCARED of the job he’s doing.If LANE KIFFIN is going to be fired,let it happen and keep it moving.Why keep on saying it over and over and over.Yes’all coaches get FIRED its a part of life but fascination of KIFFIN being fired just won’t stop.I think that the RAIDER HATERS ARE SCARED OF US UNDER LANE KIFFIN!!!!!!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Your mindset (aka-ego) is just to upstage me right now. Thats why you fail, because I have no outcome here, other than the truth. If you want to start a BLOG where we all change the subject feel free, I’ll join in and we’ll get nothing accomplished!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
they had moss last year, and DR has health issues.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Assassin – The question is…with Huff at FS…who covers the TE?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Wow, so many CAPS I think I’m discouraged….
I guess you’re right…
Is it my fear or yours? Or is it his?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Screw the record. We need to worry about guys getting coached up in camp. All of this “potential” needs to get great work in on a limited timescale.
Our record indicates we are undefeated right now. I’d wait ’til week 5 to evaluate our team. Training camp can only accomplish so much. Gametime experience will be the pudding yielding the proof. If you’re a rational fan (and i’m not saying anyone here isn’t, just speaking in general terms) you would give the team at least 4 games to get it together.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Coach, lets not forget no one wanted the job, i like Green but he will not take the job.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
I want the job…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
you are funny.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
i do too.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
COACH WHO IS YOUR TEAM REALLY ITS OK IF IS THE DONKEYS OR THE BOLTS OR SOMEONE ELSE COME ON TELL US THE TRUTH I KNOW YOUR NOT A RAIDER FAN
May 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Bank Bank, great post.
You are correct, almost everyone get fired at some point, or they retire willingly, however, the latters tends to be the cause in this league.
My point is simply that Kiffin will never win a Super Bowl, and thus, should be removed so we can find a more suitable candidate!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Los Angeles Raider, Post 76:
The victory, it doesn’t get any better. The beer is a must have, ice cold…the wings?
I guess the wings are ok, to each his own. The very best is a King Taco burrito, all carna asada, red chili, a little onion and about 4 or 5 tacos, made of carnitas, half with their red chili and half with the green chili. Where, Beverly and Ford, East Los Angeles. On a Friday or Saturday night, from 1 am to 4 am there can be two to three hundred people eating there…many of them Raiders fans, wearing their gear and talking their sh&t. Go Raiders.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
I am a Al Davis fan. I told you.
Check my page if you don’t believe me.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Well…I get tired of fans who say other people aren’t fans if they talk negatively of Kiffin or Al Davis. Coach Elkins can talk negative about Kiffin and still be a Raider fan. I talk negatively about Al Davis and I’m still a Raider fan. I don’t disrespect Coach Elkins for sharing his opinion, I may not agree with everything but he won’t always agree with me either. We’re still Raider fans. Just different.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Huff24 – Agreed. I think Huff can shut down Scheffler, just saying that Denver kills us time and again with their TE’s, and Scheffler is a good TE.
Raider O – Walker, Kelly, Carter, Fargas, etc. all have injury concerns. I see your point but it goes both ways shouldn’t it?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Coach, can you tell me why Kiffin is a bad coach based on sheme or moves he did last year instead of a feeling you have or the looking in his eyes stuf?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Assassin, the TE kills us because he is being covered by the LB’s and they are focusing their attention on the stretch fake.
The SS has to occupy the TE is this situation…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Assassin, ya it goes both ways, but with DR the injury is really bad, teams didnt wanna trade for him but the broncos desperate.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
the broncos wanted kelly if we didnt sign him.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
the broncos D-line problems are not a new thing, look at last year’s draft. all D-linemen.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Kiffin isn’t all that bad when it comes to scheme….he is bad at assuming any kind of leadership when the rooster comes to roost.
Dealing with the press, presenting a confident front for the organization, for the history of the team.
He is a decent coach, just no where the man we need to be the Head Coach.
Kiffin would get his ass kicked in 9 out of 10 bars he walked into( I know this has no bearing in terms of scheme/but I am referring to leadership), and this type of man can not and should not be the Head Coach for the greatest organization in sports history.
Just my opinion…
May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Raider O – If I understand this correctly, Coach Elkins believes Kiffin has bit more than he can chew. He got himself into a situation he cannot handle to prove that he can handle it and he believes hes dug himself a hole he cannot get out of. Am I correct on this? I guess Kiffin isn’t big enough for the job basically.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
coach you are my hero
May 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
You guys all sound like you watch alot of NFL network and ESPN…you sound like analysts.
Do any of you coach football? Do any of you love the sport? Did any of you play?
Do you understand thats its about more than talent? Its about more than toughness? Its about more than scheme?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Would Belichick win in a bar fight and if he did, would it be because he cheated? Or..would he just put his hood over his head and go pee in the corner?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
coach, i really respect your opinion, but if that’s the case Bill B,Dungy,Turner,and others should not be coaching cause they cant fight in bars.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Its about team. And the team reflects its leadership!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Raider O, you got me there…
LMOL
May 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
LOL LOL LOL LOL
May 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Coach, I UNDERSTAND. IT’S ABOUT BAR FIGHTS.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Coach Elkins If it about more then that what is it about?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Peyton Manning would fight for Dungy
L.T. Would fight for Turner..
No one is going to fight for Kiffin!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
As proof of Rhodes speaking out the second he left the building!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I think Belichick would tape fights at the bar before entering the bar first so that he’d have it all planned out before he started the fight. He’d know all the weaknesses of his opponents.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
LMOL @ Huff
May 13th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Zach Miller would fight for Kiffin. Warren Sapp might fight for Kiffin haha. He liked Kiffin.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
And then send Matt Walsh back to deal with the cleanup!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
look Coach, I’m not a Kiffin or RR fan, Kiffin i cant say much about Kiffin cause he was a rookie last year, and I dont like him cause of personal reasons, i just dont like college coaches in the NFL.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Coach Elkin, post #120:
You’re really out there in la la land and you have a biased opinion of Kiffin. For such a young coach, coming into the NFL, coaching for Al Davis, taking a team which had gone 2-14…and you’re ragging on him.
I think you need to change your name to “Coach La La.”
May 13th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I read that interview….
Kinda fishy to me.
What is a writer for Yahoo.COM doing at Warren Sapps daughters soccer game would be a better question….
HA ha
May 13th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Monte Kiffin would fight for Lane.
AD would show up to the bar saying he was going to help a guy fight but he couldn’t remember whether the name of the guy was Lane or Lance.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
nice conversation, you guys are effing lame!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Al Davis would fight for the side that appeared to be at a loss….every time!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I would like us to hire a GREAT DC or OC, but no one wanted the job.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Thanks Young Gun…Very insightful post!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Raider O – I’m starting to sound like a Donkey apologist so this will be my last post about them…They finished 7-9 with key injuries to their RB, DL, TE, and OL. I’m just saying we shouldn’t write them off as a win based on last season. Just like nobody can judge us based on last season. We’ve made a lot changes but so have they. Maybe not FA acquisitions but they’re getting a lot of players back to a healthy state.
All in all, I would consider our makeover better than theirs but they have the trump card, that being a QB who’s played a full season with NFL experience and scheme recognition. I still think we will beat them but they won’t be a doormat of a team, they will be better than last year.
Just trying to be a realist and not an apologist for those bastards.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Big Tough Guy!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
If anyone in here tries to question Kiffin’s ability to coach in the NFL compared to past coaches, just look take a look at USC’s offense since he left.
Kiffin was obviously missed at USC last year, especially against Stanford.
Kiffin made some rookie mistakes, but at the same time he was playing with a patch work offense lacking depth and talent.
Since he’s taken over we’ve added Russell, O’Neal, Griffith, DMac, Bush, Miller, Carlisle, Wade, Walker, and Carter to the offense.
This is a major overhaul that’s a major work in progress primarily due to inexperience and youth with Russell, Bush, DMac, & Miller.
Remember, this is a 3 year process for the team to get back to being serious contenders.
It takes time to properly rebuild a team and Kiffin will still make “mistakes” this year. We have to remember his rebuild and how we are very young across the board.
Once Kiffin has his players in place and Russell has a full year under his belt as starter, Kiffin’s ability to coach won’t be questioned as our offense should become amazing.
Seriously, with Russell, DMac, Bush, Cable coaching the O line, Miller, and one solid deep threat WR and we could really take off.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
all the way off the page! I am the man!
Oh yeah Eff The Lakers
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Young Gun – Great contribution. And we’re lame? Oooo..kkkkk.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Hey Coach Foreskin -
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Huff just trying fit in with you numbskulls
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
can I be effing lame like y’all? gee can I huh huh can I?
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Eff the Lakers
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
As for RR this should be his last chance, you cant keep saying its the players, you cant blame the players for lack of scheme.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Assassin – I honestly think the Broncos will suck. This will be Shanahan’s last season. Guarenteed. The Chiefs will suck too and this could be Herm Edwards last season. If the Chargers finally become the face of Norv Turner, they will eventually crash and the Raider Ship will be alone in the sea, on top of the AFC West in easy fashion.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Dude…You’re disgracing a good movie.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
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does that make you feel better?
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
DSM, good post…doesn’t hold water though!
I am questioning his ability to lead. I am the reason he needs to go. He will not win, no matter what his talent level.
His team at USC had Bush, Leinert, Justice, Lendale White to name a few and he lost in that attempt.
To bring up USC’s lack of success is like saying our country has fallen since Clinton was out of office.
Your argument appears intelligent, but lacks the key points to be considered truth!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
i would fight for lane kiffin
May 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Kobe ate my goldfish!
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Kiffin has plenty of reasons to get in bar fights. His wife is beautiful, he’s got daughters, and he’s a white guy that likes to dance (allegedly).
The “white” comment is for stereotype only as I’m a white boy myself. Everyone knows the majority of us can’t dance.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I love haters, you’re the reason I am who I am….
May 13th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Coach Foreskin probably shouldn’t be questioning other’s intelligence. Your posts read like Oakglenn on acid.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
YES! I’m awesome. Sweet!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Assassin, its not just the players, when your head-coach fires his GM, something is wrong there.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
oh yes
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
I love to dance, but I suck at it…
I would say its more of a bounce!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I speak nothing but the truth Huff, you are awesome. You bring it everytime and you are the most consistent.
did I mention
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Elkin is a punk and a Charger fan. Only a choker will defend Norv.
Chargers will never win anything. Never have never will.
Kiffin was handed a team full of crap that Norv was partially responsible for building.
He is taking out the trash and bringing in quality players.
Coach Idiot, I meant Elkins says Kiffin will never win a Super Bowl. You should take your act on the road. Your ability to see the future should make you some money.
Oh wait… You can’t see the future. Too bad that doesn’t keep you from running your mouth.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
does not sound like a health organization. and we all know what that will do to a team.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Young Gun…..you must be related to Kiffin!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
amen K-Rock
very perceptive of you
eff the Lakers
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I am Kiffin you idiot
learn about it
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
K-Rock, don’t hold back….any facts to add to your case…
NIce to meetcha….
Only been here a couple hours, must be doing something right…..you’re typing my name!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
From Utah I would guess?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I wish Dakota was around. I’m not sure if he knows about the JazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazzJazz
he was talking sweep and everything. I guess that dood was straight up wrong G Fresh!
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Lets talk shop then Kiffin….I have a question for ya…
If you are Lane Kiffin, why not be proud of it, instead of hiding behind a screen name like Young GUN!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
I am from Wichita, Kansas.
I like Jazz music, it was a natural fit
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Last I checked, Kiffin was not the HC at USC. Don’t put the Texas loss on him.
Plus. Last I checked, the defense couldn’t stop VY. That had more to do with them losing than Kiffin’s 4th down call.
Only someone who knows very little about football would try to hang a loss on 1 4th down call.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Well Utah has some money issues in their state, so they’ld benefit from buying a few officials off, like against the Warriors last season….
May 13th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Why hide behind the “coach” moniker when you clearly are not a coach? Ooooohhhh let that sink in a little. Ouch that must sting. It’s ok, better luck next time.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Hey K-Rock, you brought up the USC thing, not me….don’t hide behind the fact that he wasn’t the head coach now that you said they haven’t won since he left!
You lose,
NEXT!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
The USC defense as absolutely TERRIBLE against Vince Young. I couldn’t understand why Carroll didn’t adjust. Shadow that guy for crying out loud, all he kept doing was running.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
preach Huff preach
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
lmao at post#385
May 13th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Deflect Young Gun Deflect!
Find a friend, hurry!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
So…Wilson’s out as Head Coach of the Sharks. We should pay Scotty Bowman as the highest paid HC to come out of retirement.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
good lookin D Fense
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Nice post K-Rock re: Kiffin cleaning up the mess.
Kiffin can blame lack of talent because it’s true. Most of our starters last year couldn’t start on any other team in the league.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I love when people have to use Alias’s!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
deflect? you got owned son. Game. Set. Match.
Now be gone fake ass coach
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Since this thread is vomiting allover itself Im just gonna go off topic and not even give 2 sh!ts..
Mint oreo cookies & milk are sooooooooooooooooooooo fawkin good mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
coach, did you like gruden?
May 13th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I agree Mistabrown, except throw a little schnapps in the mix and you’re all set
good call bro
May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Assassin, wow….I thought you knew what you were talking about.
Morrison
Huff
Washington
Nhamdi
Porter
Both our FB’s
Miller
#34
2 or 3 of our Olineman
Sapp, a future HOF
Nice Point…
But you’re right though
May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Raider O – Shanahan is a coward. That’s why he fired the GM. The Rat used the GM as a scape goat. Everyone knows the Rat makes all the calls thus his team is comprised of his hand selected talent. His true colors will shine soon enough.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
MistaBrown – When I was 9 years old or something like that, I ate almost a full pack of Oreo’s (The 3 Row Pack) and I woke up puking up black oreo’s in the middle of the night. Literally…it was black. Needless to say…I am no longer a fan.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Mista, you crack me up.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
hey Mistabrown, you bring it each and every time. Let this “coach” know what’s REALLY up!
Do your thing bro
May 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Gruden is a very good coach!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
coach i know why u hating on kiffin
May 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
did you try the stawberry oreos.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Gruden is the man that had the greatest luxery of all. Brown Rice.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Huff #391
In the Raider bylaws section 1.0.832.578.8A of blogging says the following;
“GSW Warrior/Lakers talk shall be tolerated but SJ Shark talk must not be spoken between the hours of 6am- 1145pm Pacific Standard.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Young Gun, go back to your gang and get some more guys, you’re gonna need like 10 or 15 more…
Just be happy this isn’t a bar….cause you’ld already be on your back!
Nonetheless, I’m willing to play some more…so lets hear what else you got!
May 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
The Strawberry ones must have a later addition. Never seen them.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Gt him Mistabrown! Do him like you did Oak Glenn
sorry I like instigating, my bad. I owned Coach Foreskin earlier and I figured you would too. You should try it, it’s fun.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
kiffin beat you up
May 13th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Truce?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Young Gun I do not address trolls!
Unless Ive had at least 3 glasses of wine. And since you know Im on oreos & milk right now it aint gonna happen.
No I havent tried strawberry ones O, strawberry oreos ???
GTFO
May 13th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
MistaBrown – Thats funny. That would have more merit except…The Sharks make the playoffs. The Warriors sit at home watching the playoffs.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Elkin is a joke.
Just another Charger fan.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Now the fake “coach” is also an internet tough guy! I could kill 10,000 men with one look bro, you best watch yourself son.
do you know how stupid you are making threats on a keyboard? Tiny man with a tiny mind.
Boom! snap out of it guy. Everything is going to be ok…
May 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Lets discuss Sapps issue….the 3/4 vs the 4/3 Defense…
I know we only apparently have 4/3 personnel, but does anyone here think we would benefit from using a few odd fronts?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Young Gun, please stop with the “jazz” business we dont discuss music, religon, or politics here, thanks
May 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
I love when you haters type my name….you give me even more power!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
No worries Mistabrown, much respect you phuckin wino
May 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I am watching myself SON!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
ok Coach, do you remember his !st year with the raiders?what what was his record with better talent than we had last year? and if he is so good, why did he win the SB with dungy’s team and do nothing after that with a great D and ok O? if you aregoing to say last year, i’ll say they won a bad division and got kicked out the playoffs quickly.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I think this is literally starting to turn into a bar fight. Is everyone here drinking? Someone grab a camera.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Hey Mistabrown, this is for you
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Threats…where!
Cause I said you’ld be on your back? Oh I’m sorry, I meant your knees…
May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Coach Foreskin is obsessed with his name
mommy complex
May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Coach – Okay you got me with that one. But to defend my point, you listed 12 out of 22 starters. The most important position not on your list was QB, two WR’s, a LT, and a Safety. All key positions that kill any team. Not to mention we had zero depth at most positions. Kiffin is justified in claiming that we didn’t have enough talent. We weren’t deep and our starters were marginal with the exception of Morrison, Nnamdi, Huff, Miller, Howard, Fargas, Carlisle, and our FB’s. I’d throw Burgess in there but he was hurt for a while. Washington lost his job to Routt and Porter is overrated. Also, #34 couldn’t start on another team becasue the out of shape slug would be onteh Injury Report on a weekly basis.
Hilarious that you listed #34 instead of his real name. I feel the same way.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Huff why are you crackin on th W’s what kinda fan are you ?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Kiffin tried to find another job during the season…he is a traitor and is being treated as such!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I love my Mother, thank you!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
keep your fantasies to yourself “coach” Foreskin
May 13th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Assasin, you’re a cool cat.
We may not always agree, but we are headed in the same direction. Thats all that matters!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Young Gun, check out my pic, so you can jerk off later
myspace.com/isyoursoul4sale
May 13th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
dont drag assasin down with you
he doesn’t deserve to be asociated with that
May 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I used to F— guys like you back in prison!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Assassin I see you’re talking football with the trolls..
May I suggest a good glass of Merlot or Burgundy?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
lets keep the mothers out of this.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
408 – Mistabrown – Priceless!
Huff24 – No disprespect, but Hockey is never cool. Am I the only one that changes the channel when Hockey highlights come on? The only thing that pisses me off more than Hockey Highlights is Baseball Tonight.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I’ll take a Merlot, thanks Mista Brown, nice to finally meet cha, sorry if I was rude, I had a tick on my ass!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
MistaBrown – I’m a Warriors fan due to locality but I’m not much of a basketball fan in general so its hard to give a sh!t.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Hey Young Gun, you’re a chump…
Our offense this season is pretty much unknown.
What is known:
-The Zone Blocking scheme works under Kiffin, Knapp, & Cable
-Zach Miller has great hands and gets open
What people will soon find out:
-JaMarcus is deadly accurate, has the biggest arm in the league, and is fluid in a moving pocket
-McFadden & Bush will blossom together, and take the “two back” system new meaning & standards
-Javon Walker will light up the AFC West. JaMarcus needs Javon & Javon needs JaMarcus.
It’s ON Raider Nation!!!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
we can state opinions with no mother talk or insulting, maybe some insults. but no mothers.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
lol @ #408, post of the night!
He must be Roger Goddell!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
wow he was in prison watch out we got ourselves a real killing machine
May 13th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Mistabrown – Trying to keep it on track but I fell into a mess it seems.
I will take that glass of Merlot if you’ve got another
May 13th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Nice post Raul!
Zone Blocking is on the outs though….
Time to go back to the smashmouth and teach the loudmouths like Chad Johnson and T.O what this game is really about….
TEAM!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Assassin – I’m born and raised in San Jose so its close to home ya know? I’m not a huge hockey fan but I like hockey way more than basketball and baseball is just boring. I follow all my teams via radio and internet but I’m all football 24/7.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Bill, that was a joke….my first of the night..
Sorry, I never said I was a comedian….!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I used to F— guys like you back in prison!
now i know why you like AD so much, you wanna F#$% him.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
I believe its a movie line…from “ROAD HOUSE”
May 13th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Thanks again…I’ll be signing autographs in the lobby later!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Huff, since you’re not really a fan and thats cool Im down with that but….CAN YOU NEVER MENTION BASKETBALL OR THE WARRIORS HERE EVER AGAIN ?
thanks Huff
May 13th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
you had a dick in your ass? lol
I’m sure you are used to that.
Joke
May 13th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Great! Next blog Headline. PRISON SEX!
Wonderful.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Mistabrown – I will mention it whenever I feel like mentioning it. Hows that?
. I know enough of whats going on to have that power. I just don’t like the game all that much.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
you know coach you are kinda funny but still a A$$ hole
May 13th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
oh wait you said tick ON you ass.
I know you meant dick IN your ass.
Its cool though joke. I got nothing against homosexuals.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Huff24 – Fair enough on the Sharks thing. I’ve been to one game because I was told they’re much cooler in person. I didn’t come away a big fan. Wasn’t the worst event ever but it’s just not for me. I suspect growing up in San Jose adds more incentive to root for them.
Agreed on the Baseball comment.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
wow, everyone is ready for a fight today. why so touchy, well i know why coach is touchy??
May 13th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
This is what happens when there’s nothing to talk about. Just like Thanksgiving Dinner, when I get bored I just yell at my wife, start a scene, then I have an excuse to go home.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Catch you all later
May 13th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Assassin – The problem is that Hockey doesn’t have enough scoring. Its like soccer, I could never like soccer because the field is too big and the scoring takes forever. Hockey is similiar but at least the goals are close. The funny thing is…I’m 10 minutes from the Shark Tank and I’ve never been to a Sharks game. I know…sad. I’ve been to the Shark Tank and seen 2 Sabercat games though. Even my girl has been to 3 games.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Huff I been to the Shark tank once but Rush was there playing music so it was actually fun.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
where is Coach? are you still there.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Coach … I not worried about Kiffin getting fired … I’m more worried about him leading the Raiders to the playoffs and he leaves the team like Gruden.
A coach’s job is to get everyone on the same page and work together … which Lane did. No players said any negatives comments about Kiffin … that tells me that they do have respect for the coach something that didn’t happen since Gruden left.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Raider O – You can’t see him? Hes right there…look ——————————————->
May 13th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
coach is on his knees letting his boyfriend sticking it in his ass
May 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
You guys are brutal.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
dude, i think he is gone, now i feel bad.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
why
May 13th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
ya we were, i feel really bad now.i was playing.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
If you feel bad go bite your pillow this is for grown ups.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
dude, we were brutal. and he didnt insult anyone, he just said the wrong things.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
i am putting up this link in response to the other raider fans (Thec and Raider O)that live in san diego that are looking for places to watch games with the rest of the RAIDER NATION. also if you are out of state check out the link anyways. http://www.vertgame.com/rfhp/faqs_figures/raiderbars.html
May 13th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
grown ups that talk about oreos, dont start mista.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
LOL^
O, good one!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
hey raiders signed that shane simmons linebacker from some small school
May 13th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Thank you Noluv4Hoes.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Bill dont try and change the subject with football talk it aint gon work man!
May 13th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
NLuv4Hoes – Great site. I’m not far from that Cupertino location, that would be ideal if I wanted to kick it with other Raider fans. Normally, I would watch it at home on my 42″ of course but at least I know of another location. Unfortunately, its also a bowling alley. That can get loud.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
no mista brown look it up on ESPN.com really
May 13th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Bill, why would I waste my time looking up some poor guy that will get cut after sweating his guts out in Napa?
Thanks for the info though.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Greg Spires is #94, Marcel Reese is #81, Tranell Morant is #67, Malik Jackson #49, Shane Simmons #48, Edgerton Hartwell #44.
I guess Sam Keller didn’t stick but Brian White did.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
wow what a smart ass
May 13th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Mista, did you try sterling merlot?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Both those guys are QB’s by the way.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
he is bill, dude cracks me up.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
You guys are lame show some true team pride he’s our coach till he’s fired or quits till then be happy with what u got.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
lol
May 13th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
hey coach is back
May 13th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
oak, about 20 min late with your post.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
No O, is it good ?
Who sells it ?
price?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
It had to be said, guys r in here bashing team personal like they can do somthing about.
May 13th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
OakGlenn, anybody can be critical of the coach its a free speech right.
Who do you think you are telling people how to think and what to say?
May 13th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
My step daughters and myself burned a chiefs sweat shirt outside my house prior to a raider/chief game. I’m probably a bad role model..
I have a picture of me w/a raider mask on the goal line at Denver. I didn’t think quick enough because if i could do it again I’d pretend i was wizzing on the pole.
I’m meeting Charlie Weiss next week. I’m thinking of bringing a Raider shirt that says, “It was a fumble” and having him sign it. What do you guys think? I can’t dog him too much.. I’m a big Irish fan.
(PS. My then wife got walking pneumonia at that game. I was in the dog house forever. Now that we’re divorced it’s my greatest memory! haha)
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Mista, its the best merlot IMO, its 2002 reserve, you can buy from sam’s bev&more.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
It doesn’t matter Choakland Raiders stink it up every year man.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Mista, do you like spanish wine?
May 13th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Jim, thats funny.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Yes O
Theres no Sams or BevMo near me..
FEDEX me a bottle O
May 13th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
you have to try Torreoria Gran Reserva 1997, it is great and only costs $17.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Who is 498? WHy up this late and on the Raider site? Uh oh…. a palmer! Wrong site!!!!!! Charger fan dreaming of being a Raider fan…
SOme day. NOT! Keep palming.
WIll that be sensored?
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
you have to let it breath for 30 min. its strong.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
yep it is free speech right but if you haven’t coached or played in the league u can’t bash players or a coach. Those that can do bash.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Oak, thanks for just answering but I addressed you as OakGlenn and you didnt question it!
May 13th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
OAK: how does salisbury get away with it? He’s so critical and he sucked so badly! Did ESPN finally get rid of him?
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Only 17$ ?
I can buy 8 bottles of 2 buck chuck for that !
May 13th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
the sterling reserve is $60, and you want me to fedex it to you?
May 13th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
dude on espn is lame, he could not play and that’s why he hates he’s a hater. Although because he played in the league he gets a pass.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
O, yes please
May 13th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
One of the Raiderettes is being deployed to Afganistan.
This is the beginning of the end for Al Queda.
In all seriousness, God bless and protect her.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I’m currently in Illinois and I met an ex Ram cheerleader last week. She said Dallas, Raiderettes, and “the florida team” (i assume dolphins??) are by FAR the best.
Good luck young lady! I did my tour 6 years ago. I hope you come back the same as you left! and thank you!
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Raiders sign small-school star
May 13, 2008 9:38 PM
Posted by ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson
Here’s another undrafted rookie free agent to keep an eye on: Shane Simmons. The Raiders recently signed the linebacker from Western Washington.
Not saying Simons is going to be an instant success in Oakland, but the kid has ability. Watch for him to make a push to be a special-teams performer.
Simmons lacks ideal size, but he is fast and he has fine instincts. Several scouts thought he was a solid second-day pick, but he fell through the cracks. Simmons was originally at Idaho, but he left the school after his close friend was murdered.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
CR NYC: any personal connection? Did you read that or have you been following him?
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Nickname for Jamarcus, Michael Bush & McFadden: SHOCK and AWE
Also, does anybody know where there is a Raider Bar in Phoenix area?
May 13th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
AZ Ed: Where ever you stop for a beer! COnguer it! I’ve been in Illinois for about 2 weeks and this one bar i walk into the first words I hear are “Raiders SUck” by this one guy. He doesn’t follow sports but he likes to piss me off. THen there is another bar where i met a guy who says he’s good friends w/Morris Bradshaw and he went to a lot of Raider games. ANyway, you have to make your own bar!
CT RAIDER
May 13th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
CT, neither. Following up on an earlier comment from Bill. Off to bed, it’s late here.. If I didn’t just get home from work, I’d feel like it’s the weekend.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
AZ, look at post 475.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
post #475 has a link you can find raider bars anywhere.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
# Coach Elkins Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
“Norv couldn’t deal with the heat in Oakland. You have to love Al Davis and appreciate the man to have success in Oakland. Most people just have to point their fingers at him cause he is just so dam smart. You have to let your ego go if you work for this man, cause if you don’t he’ll break you down mentally just to teach you what football is all about, and most people just really don’t know.”
….
Pfft.
Dude’s 19-61 in the last 5 years. Davis is the last person who should be teaching anyone about football.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Coach La La:
When you brag about beating someone up in a bar, it’s probably because they use to take your recess cookie & milk money from you when you were in grade school.
I don’t think you could make it anywhere other than La La Land, West Hollywood or
parts of San Francisco. Oh, ya, make you and Shanarat could make it with a donkey.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Whichever Strong side LB who wins the starting job is lucky & unlucky…he’ll have the immediate support of Howard and Morrison AND the top swcondary in the NFL: Asoumugha, Hall, Wilson & Huff. The SLB will also be the weak link & target for opposing offenses.
Justin & Justin will start in the backfield, but McFadden & Bush will play EARLY and OFTEN!!
Walker and Miller will be BIGTIME targets for JaMarcus.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Think God he has stopped posting. Let’s not get him going again. It was painful enough to read through.
Nicknames:
JRus = Superman
DMC/Bush = Dynamic Duo (if they live up to their potential)
Funbles and Stumbles if they don’t.
LB’s = The Law Firm still applies.
Nambi/Hall = AT&T. They have a great long distance plan and Nationwide coverage.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 am
RR-
Did you mean to say “Justin and Jordan”? Jordan will not be on the roster after 1 June. They are cutting him and spreding his $4.7 Mil over the next 2 years. No one close to the team has said anything about keeping him this off season.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Realistic stats for 2008?
OFFENSE:
JaMarcus Russel: 3750yds, 21TDs, 14INTs.
Javon Walker: 80 catches for 1200yds & 8TDs.
Zach Miller: 65 catches for 600yds & 5TDs
Ron Curry: 60 catches for 700yds & 3TDs
Drew Carter: 40 catches for 500yds & 2TDs
Justin Fargas: 850yds, 4TDs
Darren McFadden: 1150yds, 7TDs
Michael Bush: 450yds, 5TDs
DEFENSE:
Ranked #2 against the pass
Ranked #16 against the run
Ranked #8 overall in NFL
May 14th, 2008 at 12:34 am
RN951,
No, I meant Fargas & Griffith.
I can’t wait ’till that lazy-ass Jordon is off our roster!!
We’re gonna be DOPE on offense.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Kiffin is planning for Michael Bush to be the next Zach Crockett in short yardage & goalline situations & then some!! O’neil will lay the fat blocks on.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:40 am
RR-
I think Miller will have a larger part in the Offense then 60 receptions. Like the rest of the prediction though. That would have given the Raiders the 2nd most TD in the league last year (on the O side) If the D can come up with 6-10 and special teams 2-3 that would be more then enough to win the AFC West and maybe a first round bye.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am
We’re going 9-7 this season. I can’t wait for MNF: Denver @ Oakland. Shanarat is going down…again. Anyone remember JaMarcus’ first game???
May 14th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Wasn’t thinking about Griffith. FB’s get no love. The Raiders are set there too. The O backfield it tight. The D secondary is tight. If the 2 lines can hold up to their end of the deal and RR can come in with a good plan this year that includes a good blitz package, the Raiders are set.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am
I remember him hitting the sideline on his head thinking he broke his effing neck.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:46 am
RN951,
I like your thinking on Miller. He’s will be a very reliable target for JaMarcus for years to come. Will Kiffen call enough plays for him?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Anyone who thinks they get “power” from writing in this forum has zero. Lots of testosterone-fueled and homophobic remarks proves the point even more (and brings up a few questions).
To stir the pot…ultimately to resort to name-calling, etc., to show how tough one is, actually goes much further in showing one’s weaknesses.
I wonder what happens when people claim on here, “I own you!” ?
Does the weak mind jump around in self-declared victory — with his man-boobs flailing and plumber’s crack eclipsing a shiny, hairless head…always careful to not spill his can of Milwaukee’s Best?
Oooh, how I’d hate to be “owned” by such a powerful man.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 am
He had 44 receptions last season as a check down. With another year under his belt I am hoping for 80 this year. 5-15 yards, moving the chains, keeping the other teams D honest. That will keep JR on his feet and learning the reads he needs to suceed.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Agreed. Really the only starting spots open for competition are:
1. DE opposite Burgess (Richardson, Spiers or Edwards)
2. SLB (R Thomas or S Williams)
3. KR/PR (Branch, Hall or Higgins)
4. RT (Green, Henderson or McQuistan)
Everything else is pretty much set.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:53 am
I think the tough guys finally typed themselves out for the night.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
I think the Return guys are going to be Reece (if he makes the 53 man roster) and Sheilds. If Reece doesn’t make it then Sheilds and Higgins. Sheilds had a 4.37 40. I think that is what he was drafted for. Of course being 6′1″ @ 195 doesn’t hurt either.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Raul — Pretty good guesses, I guess. If those offensive stats were to be close, the team would be playoff-bound.
I’d be pleasantly surprised if Walker came anywhere near those numbers. He’s capable, but I’m plenty skeptical of his injury history.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Lester37,
What the hell are you talking about?? Have you been sniffing too much stickem??
May 14th, 2008 at 1:00 am
I think Burgess and Kelly are the only 2 no doubt about it starters. The other have to earn their spot. On the O side, I think LT, and C are the 2 spots with the biggest ??’s.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Javon Walker will be Comeback Player of the Year. He’s gonna torch the Broncos opening night!!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Raul — I was referring to the earlier, self-proclaimed bad-a$$, who also literally claimed to know everything.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:05 am
Torching the brokeho’s twice is nice. Its what he does the rest of the year that I’m a little woried about. Hopefully the knee is good to go and he will put up 100 reception and 1000+ yards. If he puts up half that he was worth the pick up if it ment getting Porter off the roster.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Kwame Harris will be our starting LT. John Wade is our starting C. Sands will start at DT, alongside Kelly. I can’t wait to see Huff at FS!!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Walker could be Comeback POY — it’s tempting to imagine it. You know Al’s expecting it, too, at those prices.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:07 am
The crap that was flying around here earlier was pathetic. I hate the guys that think they know everything and when you call them on it they pick some random crap, throw it out there and that magically makes them right.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 am
For the amount of money Al ponied up this off season both Kiffin and Ryan better come prepared this year. Anything less then the playoff’s and they are both done. I know RR’s contract is up and Kiffin has a team option for a 3rd year, but who would want to take on either of them if they couldn’t do anything with this much tallent.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Nice jab at Porter! He was a PUNK!!
I think the Raiders are expecting a big comeback year for Javon. JaMarcus will be throwing B-Bs all over the place. McFadden will be slicing up opposing defenses. Kiffin will be one of the most sought-after NFL coaches in 2011.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:15 am
It’s sad when I need to reference my posts to know what time it is. G’night Raider Nation!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Well, there’s usually a good throw-down on here morning and night, good for a few laughs. Boards like this are also a very interesting psychology experiment.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 am
951 — I think Kiff’s here for another year if he goes 8-8 this season. Anything more than .500 — and I bet he’s offered a re-worked contract and extension.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Hazy Daisy,
Are you sure you haven’t been a part of a psychology experiment?? You must be smokin some good stuff there…
May 14th, 2008 at 1:25 am
RR is getting one-too-many chances in my book, and he better make the most of it — or he won’t see another contract anywhere near the one he’s got now.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Raul, why?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:27 am
You’re right about Kiffin, though. After THIS offseason, who wouldn’t want to coach for the Raiders?? (I’m only half-joking here) Maybe Lane’s realizing that he’s in a pretty good situation after all.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:41 am
Raul — I was making fun of some of the earlier posters, that’s all.
Lane may find out, if he hasn’t already, that he really wants to be a college HC. Even if he jumped- ship last year, it wouldn’t have been to a major (Arkansas? Wasn’t happening, no matter who started the rumors). I don’t think any major program would be crazy enough to give Kiffin that kind of position just because he coached a pro team for half a year.
I know I wouldn’t let the young coach pick every member of a staff — he didn’t, and still doesn’t, know enough. If this year is as successful as most of us hope it is, then Kiffin will have a little leverage — and in that case, I sure hope he doesn’t use too much of it.
There’s only one guy in the organization who can’t be replaced in an instant, and he writes the checks.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Well…he can’t be replaced in an instant by anyone else in the organization, that is…
Good morning!
May 14th, 2008 at 2:54 am
#122 Coach Elkins blamed Kif for the play calling when USC lost to Texas at the Rose Bowl. Norm Chow was the OC. Sarkesian (bad spelling) and Kif were assistants.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:56 am
One clue to determine how much a player likes his coach is if the player smiles when his coaches’s name is mentioned during a interview. Just something to think about.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:48 am
YIKES! those were some sorry posts in the 400s. I mean, whatever floats your collective boats- but JEEZ. I thought i had stumbled onto a whiner blog. Is this where the NATION argues about football, or is it where people explore the earliest stirrings of their sexualities? (no need to answer, the question was rhetorical). Well, if you’re satisfied with the discussion quality here, then I guess it’s fine- carry on, gentlemen!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:44 am
HD37,
Maybe those Arkansas-Kiffin rumors got started last year b/c Lane talked to higher-ups at the school about McFadden??
May 14th, 2008 at 5:11 am
I never believed those rumors, it would have been professional suicide by Kiffin.
If you hire a coach, you gotta look aside his age, a coach needs to assemble his own staff, is his ass on the line. why is it coaches has to be old as McCain to be assessed worthy of the NFL? if he knows the game + if he can get his players to do what wants to… I think Kiffins age has great value, we have a very young team, and the young players can relate to Kiffin
well I’m a Kiffin disciple, he is the greatest thing to hit us since Madden or Flores. hope we will sign him 8 year deal =)
May 14th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Successful youngest coaches in the NFL:
Al Davis
John Madden
Mike Shanahan
Jon Gruden
Soon:
Lane Kiffin
What do these coaches have in common?
May 14th, 2008 at 6:18 am
Al davis wasn’t a succesful coach, he was okay, but not great
May 14th, 2008 at 6:20 am
John Madden and Tom Flores was great… and Lane Kiffin will be
May 14th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Hey Mr. Immodest in “Molesto”…
You sure you not hanging out at the Brave Bull?
Think I know you…lol.
How goes my old stomping grounds these days?
May 14th, 2008 at 6:29 am
Lowdown…
what time is it around you 2130?
May 14th, 2008 at 6:37 am
La Milicia Negra,
The Raiders went 9-33 in the first 3 yrs. Al took over & went 10-4. Over HIS 3yrs he went 23-16-3 THAT is successful!! Especially for an expansion team in the 60s. The Broncos didn’t post a winning season for 11yrs. I’m not meaning to come across condescending but the Al bashers must buy or rent but watch, “The Oakland Raiders – The Complete History” just for the history of the firsts Al Davis is responsible for. By the way, the reason he left after 3 yrs? He became Commissioner of the AFL & almost put the NFL out of business. THAT’S successful!
May 14th, 2008 at 6:47 am
I checked out that Rob Ryan interview, but it just sounds like everything else we hear from him. I have a hard time believing anything he says after his comments about Moses and Sands last year.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:58 am
RaiderTW…
yadayada yada… it was a time when people could have 2 jobs and be head coach… Al Davis did good things as a coach, but a great coach he never were.. he stopped in time before it would be obvious to everybody that he didn’t knew everything… But listen I don’t say Al isn’t (or wasn’t great) he just wasn’t a great coach
May 14th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I just said he was a successful coach.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:00 am
RaiderTW…
everything published by the raiders has a certain color to it, its manipulating in a way no party could ever copy =)
May 14th, 2008 at 7:01 am
yeah i know, but to mention his name among Madden, Shanahan and flores is IMO out of touch
May 14th, 2008 at 7:14 am
its manipulating in a way no party could ever copy =)
I don’t know what that means. Facts are facts Al Davis pushed for blacks in the NFL(one of the first & only coaches/owners to do so). He let players be adults (no dress coade, hair cuts, no ban on facial hair, etc). First to have his players travel 1st class. Haters only show ignorance of history for bashing Al. Know your Raider roots 1st is what I’m saying. I’m not ignoring the failures of Al but most bashers ignore his successes. I’m also not saying you’re a Al hater. I for one believe Al is crazy for drafting mcFadden over defense but I have no influence so I just accept & watch the Raiders’ decisions & root for my team.
May 14th, 2008 at 7:20 am
RaiderTW….
hold your horses… i’m not trying to get into a fight about what Al Davis has done for our Franchise… he just wasn’t a great coach
“its manipulating in a way no party could ever copy =)”
All releases made by our franchise is very one sided. The ‘Dem’ or the ‘Rep’ party counldn’t manipulate facts as our Franchise has done… I got the DVD, and its not just facts, its peoples interpretation of facts happen long time ago… But I still love the DVD, and much of it because of how one-sided it is =)
May 14th, 2008 at 7:27 am
I agree with everything you say with the exception of I only pointed out he was a successful coach. even that can be argued. 23-16-3 is not a successful coaching record but it’s a hellaofalotbetter than 9-33 record posted before him. It takes more to turn a very bad team (4-12)into a good one(10-4 the 1st job coaching).
May 14th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I’ve wittnessed many disparaging posts regarding Kirk Morrison. I believe I can address this issue, particularly in comparison to Greg Biekert.
If memory serves Biekert had Grady Jackson , Darrell Russell & Rod Coleman as buffers against offensive fronts.
In his short stint as a “MIKE” ‘backer whom has Morrison been graced with? C’mon, y’all can say it. They all still line up as DT’s for the S & B.
if you are going to compare “Mike” ‘backers skill sets a more apt comparison would involve Lofa Tatupu of the Seattle Seahawks to Capt. Kirk.
Both a bit undersized. Neither considered the most physically gifted ‘MIKE” ‘backers.
How effective would you rate a two time pro bowler whom plays for a perennial playoff team complete with a superior “WILL” ‘backer (Julius Peterson for the Seahawks; Thomas Howard for the Raiders; BTW; while an earlier debate centered around kickers Peterson was picked just before teh Raiders annointed Seabass as immortal. When I hazard back to that particular draft that is the guy I wanted. But I’ll take a younger Howard every day. Just wait & see what he morphs into in this, his third year in the league. Can you say designated blitzer?) occupying the OC” attention & a quick, formidable Dline spearheaded by a high motor DE responsible for 15 sacks (Patrick kerney)?
So let’s endeavor to gauge the effectivity of the Raiders “retooled” Dline before returning to another round of “Throw Capt. Kirk” under the bus.” I wouldn’t even imagine moving him back to the “SAM” “backer. At present I don’t see more than servicable “SAMS” but every defense has it’s achillies heel. Given the Raiders Dline realizes, @ the least a return to respectability I could live with Sam Williams (apt name for a player @ his position) or Robert Thomas.
Regarding Marcel Reece; If he is fortunate enough to make the final cut & contribute on more than special teams he should be deployed as an “H” back. He is cliser to 6′1″ than 6′3. He has proved to be, on the collegiate level, a proficient blocker in space. He enjoys throwing his considerable girth around. and his speed would allow for matchup problems against LB’s & safeties. Everything you would want in a contributing member of the current Raider offensive scheme.
I’ll leave it to y’all to bandy around (or not).
late (too many activities of late to act as a contributing blogger)
antispy3
May 14th, 2008 at 7:42 am
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May 14th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RaiderTW…
LOL yeah its hellovabetter and we needed to improve to lure players to oakland, so Al made his own foundation as a coach to build on when he became GM
May 14th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Anything fun to talk about?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Guess not.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Troy Hambrick is going to the big house for 5 years…didn’t we sign him, or almost sign him once?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Curtis Whitley is dead, I think he played one year for us. Center or guard I think.
Kids, just say no to drugs!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Dakota
You should worry about your Lakers
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Lakers in trouble, momentum on the side of Utah.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
yhe company I work for had its investors pull out yesterday! Anybody need a Lab Technician? Oh well
GO RAIDERS!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
M,
Where are you? I watched Clash of the Cavemen on the History channel the other day…are you one of the contributors to that show???
Lyle Alzado was a Neanderthal. I think some Cro-magnons did interbreed with them! Look at the prominent brow:
http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0705/gallery.beards.moustaches/images/alzado.jpg
May 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Even the Refs want Utah to win.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Your boy kobe needs a backyoutamy!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Dakota
The end could be soon
May 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am
RaiderDell Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Dakota
You should worry about your Lakers
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I always worry about the Lakers.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Dakota
Cut and paste is what the Lakers need to bring back the first two games.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Dakota
The end is real close or never closer.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Dell,
I am not all that worried about this year. If we win it with all the injuries we have had, then great, but the dawn of the next Lakers’ era begins next year when we have the twin towers dominating everyone. It will be great fun to watch us go 75-7 next season.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Dakota
So you sense with all the injurys, time is short, for this year.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Dell,
Kobe will pull us through…Utah will be swept aside, even with getting all the calls and Kobe injured Utah barely won the two games on their home court…now the Hornets or Spurs may present us with problems if Kobe is still injured.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Dakota
The west is shifting, the Spurs looked old and slow in the series with New Olrleans, and last night was very evident.
San Antonio is almost out of the round, the west is definetly going to be tougher than the east for many years.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Dakota
Like the Bulls with Jordan, somebody besides Kobe needs to step up, like Pippin did, or Kerr did for the Bulls.
The games get tighter and the calls seem to go the other way when the ball is not being moved.
Kobe needs some one to score and carry the game at times, during the game.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Lakers will dominate for the next 5 years, but don’t count the Spurs out in the future, they just can’t win back to back titles, but they will re-group and perform well next year. Portland will be dominant soon too. Utah will be great as Williams gets better and better. Denver will improve once they dump AI. The Warriors better make something happen soon, or they are going to be the best team of all time that can never contend in their conference.
The West is crazy!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Dakota
The crowd tonight needs to step up, they sometimes are to laid back.
LA fans sometimes need a strong start to get in to the game.
Let’s hope they arrive on time.LOL
May 14th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Whats up with my OTA Jamarcus fix?? Come on Jerry.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:34 am
….but the Suns and Mavs are falling way behind. Kidd is a shell of his former self, Dirk is soft. For the Suns, Nash is old and can’t stay in front of guys like Paul and Williams, Shaq is a role player, Amare will be asking out soon when he realizes that the new coach is not going to treat him like a king like D’Antoni did…
That will be fun to watch!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Don’t worry Dakota. Jack Nickolson will give the refs a piece of his mind and so will Dyan Cannon. We win by 12 or more tonight.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Dakota
Good luck tonight, let’s hope your optomisim for the Lakers is the same for the Raiders.
Look over the raiders roster, I think there are 5-6 guys over 30.
Let’s hope the future looks good in this area to.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Lakers will win tonight and game 6. They just need to move the ball like they usually do. And Kobe’s back just doesn’t make him as big of a threat to pull defenders off of other men. He had no lift or burst the other night.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Interesting that the Pistons will rest for a week and heal up while the Celtic-Cav series goes to a very physical 7 games. Watch Detroit come out of the East.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am
408RAIDER,
Sorry to hear about your job. My uncle runs a dialysis clinic somewhere in Northern California…San Carlos area maybe…I can give you the info for the clinic if you want.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am
DMAC/BUSH Article If you guys havent read it.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_9224783
May 14th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Dakota
Your the man but no thanks I’ve been networking and already have a few things going. But your offer makes me proud to be part of the RAIDER NATION!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 9:54 am
No problem and good luck 408.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Well, with Reece back for camp I´ll say this again…
I´m hoping he shows enough to take John Madsen´s roster spot.
Madsen is a backup TE who plays more like a WR but does not bring much to the table. Reece may be able to backup Miller and Stewart, a more traditional TE.
Reece is smaller than Madsen but much more versatile, way faster and stronger. He´s also described as a willing and nasty blocker. Plus, he can play WR, TE, HB and FB, and he should be a ST´s contributor right away. That kind of versatility is hard to find.
As for his size, he was listed at 6′3 240 in College, but scouts measured him at 6′0 231 during his Pro Day back in March, he also ran a 4.42 and posted a 36.5 vertical, outstanding for his size, of course he used to run track.
Madsen by the way, was the last Rookie UFA to make the team back in 06.
I know some people don´t care about this kind of guys but you never know, I´m rooting for him, he has a chance.
If you wanna read his full scouting report, it´s at NFL.COM or at cbs sportsline, I posted here before but don´t wanna look it up.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:23 am
By the way, it´s kind of lonely on the Marcel Reece bandwagon so far, look like only a coupls of seats taken…just in case anyone wants to jump in.
I mean, come on, the dude has already earned a Raiders helmet, that oughta tell you something!.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Thec…. If your still on here go up to post #475. There is a link for Nation sports bars in the Diego area, and elsewhere. Had that one in Santee that you, O and El was talkin about yesterday, also listed one in Chula Vista. In your area? Any how check it out.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:38 am
The phone call no one wants to receive came around 3:30 p.m. Monday.
The family of former Carolina Panthers center Curtis Whitley was informed he’d been found dead one day earlier, on Mother’s Day, in his trailer in Fort Stockton, Texas.
“It was completely and totally unexpected,” said Norman Whitley, Curtis’ brother and a sergeant with the Johnston County (N.C.) Sheriff’s Department.
Norman said Curtis had moved from his hometown of Smithfield, just southeast of Raleigh, to Texas in October to get a job. Curtis drove a truck and worked at an oil rig, he said.
Fort Stockton is a town of about 9,000 people in Pecos County, Texas. It’s about 130 miles from Big Bend National Park.
On Saturday, his 39th birthday, Curtis had a phone conversation with his parents.
“He was doing just fine,” his brother said.
At about 1 a.m. Sunday, friends in Fort Stockton saw Curtis sitting on the front steps of his trailer, according to Chief Deputy Thomas Perkins of the Pecos County Sheriff’s Office.
But after not seeing him all morning and afternoon, his friends became concerned and looked for him in the trailer.
Perkins said they found him at about 6 p.m. Sunday lying facedown in the bathroom, dead.
Whitley’s death is under investigation pending an autopsy, but is being called an unattended death.
“There was no foul play that we can see,” Perkins said. “It appears to be an accidental death. There are no signs of struggle or anything to tip us off that it was a homicide.”
Norman Whitley said the family expects Curtis’ body to be flown home today.
A private funeral service for only immediate family members, per Curtis’ request, is planned for Thursday or Friday.
“You know how you sit around and talk about what to do if something happens to you?” his brother said. “That’s what he wanted.”
Whitley played at Clemson and was a fifth-round draft pick of the San Diego Chargers in 1992. He played three seasons there before getting selected by the Panthers in the NFL expansion draft before their inaugural season.
He started all 16 games for Carolina in ‘95, then was given a new three-year contract. He started eight games in ‘96 before getting suspended four games for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy.
The Panthers released him after the season and he signed with Oakland. He played the ‘97 season with the Raiders before getting suspended again. That ended his NFL career.
Charles Chandler: 704-358-5123
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I guess those violations shorten his life
May 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Hey Bob, Marcel won’t even make it out of training camp. Can you say camp casualty?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am
I think Reece would be a good weapon in the slot and as an H back type. Maybe even a good red zone target by using some play action.
He sounds like he can be Gates type of player. Lets hope he continues to work hard and develops.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Starks is the next Alvis Whitted??!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 am
I said George Sr. He was V.P. under Reagan. Good enough to have a Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier named after him. Guess George Jr will have a tugboat named after him.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 am
My goal is to turn this into a political/NBA blog…the plan is working! muhahahahaha
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Strictly Dickly,
Enjoy the voyage!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Ever notice that in Laker fans world the Lakers never lose? Whenever the Lakers do lose it’s all about how the refs screwed them, it’s never that they actually got beat by a better team.
Meanwhile when the Lakers get all of the calls(most of the time if not all)the Lakers win because they are “dominant” not because of the countless handouts and favors that they get from the officials. Laker fans suck. Just like Oakglenn.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:49 am
John Kerry was a woos. A liar someone who married into money. The swift-boaters were right!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Mista…remember, you are a Raiders’ fan; no one blames officials more than Raiders’ fans…pot calling the kettle black my friend.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
ehhh
isn’t McCain married into money??
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am
The day a Laker fan becomes president is the day that the whole world goes to sh*t. Is Bush a Laker fan? I bet he is, most idiots are.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am
six hundred and forty-first!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Remember, Kerry was for it before he was against it.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:52 am
p3wnt
May 14th, 2008 at 10:52 am
I very much like what I see in Reece I hope it transfers to the NFL
May 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Dakota -
Do not lump me in with your Laker nonsense. The Lakers get all of the calls and you know it. You might want to shut your mouth while you are ahead.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Dakota,
You have a sound platform.
GOOOOO LAAKKKEERRSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Does that mean you will stop biotching about not getting all the calls in Laker games? Please please please say yes. I am so tired of the whining. “I am so used to always getting my way, when I don’t, I kick and scream like a spoiled little girl!”
May 14th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Bob,
I will join you on the Reece bandwagon, I think Reece has a better chance making the roster as a Fullback though. He is too short to play tight-end, but as a versatile fullback, he would be exceptional in Kiff’s offense. I agree with you that Madsen might not make it though. I am watching Darrell Strong as someone who might make the roster over Madsen, Stewart and Wakefield. He is big and physical blocking TE, but much younger than Stewart or Wakefield.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Kirk,
That was awesome! Thank you! You get the post of the day award!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am
more proof that bill o’reilly is an annoying pompous arrogant arse!
By the way….Reaganomics works! hahaha…yeah right! :/
May 14th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am
“Maybe we should try having no president for the next 4 years…might work better than electing one of the three tools currently running for office.”
isn’t that how it has already been since YOU voted for that idiot? Nice work Dakota.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am
X,
The color composite change with Obama being elected is a GOOD thing!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Oh wait…
I got it now. Just a black guy in office. Who cares if he is unqualified to run the country.
He is black so that makes him better. Wow. And some people accuse whites of being bigots.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:17 am
ExLa, G.H.W. Supplied the ships for bay of pigs?? Like no one else could have done it?
And, for the second time, his intel background brought us Osama Bin Ladin, gift wrapped and delivered. Hussein to boot.
Do you have anything good on Bush Sr?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:17 am
909, thanks bro, i created a shortcut on my desktop. Good link….
May 14th, 2008 at 11:17 am
K Rock,
No politics. Your rule.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I am onboard the Reece banwagon. I saw his viedo on you tube and that was all it took. The guy will be a hell of a slot receiver. 6′1-6′3 depending on where you look.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am
exlaraiders, try factcheck.org for Swift liars, sorry they’ve been proven liars. Go Raiders!! No more bush & Clinton crime families!!! Sorry Dakota OUR turn for Dem House Senate & Pres!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Vote for Obama…
Then we’ll never see the Raiders in the Super Bowl. We won’t have a Super Bowl because of all the bombs going off everywhere due to the borders being open and unprotected.
That’s just fear talking though. We all know that no one out there wants to hurt America, right?
I mean, come on, who really wants to bomb us?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am
bill o reilly sucks you should see when the rapper camron and dame dash were on his show it was great
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Swift boats were a bunch of drunk hillbillies. They weren’t the best source of information. And, they were powerless, anyways. Karl Rove used 9/11 and the church to bring down Kerry. People really thought Kerry was going to change the American flag to a rainbow flag. No presidential campaign in American history has relied on the dumb rube vote more than G.W.’s 04 campaign.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hey, I’m just joining in.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am
RaiderTW Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Sorry Dakota OUR turn for Dem House Senate & Pres!
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Great, I can’t wait to watch the slaughter of thousands of unborn babies.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Reagan was one of the worst presidents in history
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 am
K-Rock,
Are Raider lapel pins required to post here?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
drunk hillbillies?
Isn’t that a stereotypical response from an angry black man?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
KRock,
What makes Obama better is because he represents true change and would be far more of a reprsentattive for THE people of this country. He is also SMARTER then both McCain and yes Clinton. Also his last name is not Bush or Clinton (which is a good thing) and he actually knows more about actual economics (which McCain has no clue on) I like McCain but he wouldn’t know how to turn around our economy at all and he lets his emotions get the best of him (not a good thing as president IMO)
May 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oLGjhpY9jM
May 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Camron and Dame Dash are idiots. That’s why O Reilly had him on there, he saw footage of them and knew he could take them in a debate. And, he still couldn’t. They just started making fun of him, and it worked. He had to cut out to a commercial. Anthos, there’s a reason you haven’t seen Ice Cube on the factor, yet. O Reilly isn’t going near him.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Darknight, ignore K Rock. The guy comes in here and tells us to stop talking politics, and now he’s talking politics more than anyone in here. And, he’s bringing up Obama’s race a bit too much for my liking. So, I think we know what his problem with Obama is.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
No more Bush or Clinton crime families that care about stuffing there own wallets. LOL
May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
I don’t think America’s trailer parks are in any particular danger, relax.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
What was the site for Nation bars?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am
X,
Got it…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Obama represents change? What does that mean? The Clintons helped the economy flourish. I never heard of anything Obama was the arcitect of that flourished.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am
what the hell has this place become?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I agree x except niether of them are idiots camron is smart but just dont give an f dame dash however is a smart guy and knows the business o reilly just didnt know what he was talking about
May 14th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Sorry Dakota, if you don’t have a womb you don’t get a decision on abortion. I believe in reincarnation, abortion is an issue for “christian” nutjobs controlling the rest of the american population. But don’t feel guilty about the “alive” soldiers dying everyday because you suport Bush.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 am
http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 am
whatever about politicin either way it goes we will have a president and either way it goes some of us will agree with it and some of us wont I myself dont really care just as long as there wont be a republican in the house
May 14th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Nice post #664 RaiderTW
May 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Clinton rode the internet boom to a decent economy…he did little in office to help the economy. NAFTA???
May 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
RaiderTW…
well put =) its not very christian of them anyhooo
May 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Bush is an idiot, but he was better the the alternative.
Obama will not get the nomination because Hillary’s last name is Clinton.
It’s going to be a choice between McCain, Clinton and lets hope Obama runs as an independant.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am
LT, the dot.com boom was the real reason behind the great economy in the late ’90s. But I will give Bill Clinton (not that groupie wife of his) credit for making sure that money went to the middle class. If we had a president like Bush in the ’90s, all that dough would have gone to the top, and you’d see the same economy we have today. Bill Clinton was a good president. But I don’t see anything his wife can do that Obama can’t.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Camron was sporting a sweet jersey and hat in that O’Reilly video.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
N Nations
A Align
F F*&K^NG
T Those
A Americans
May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
She can for the first time in our short history be a trend breaker… representing not only in our country but in the world… that woman are not only capable… but are willing to do what men have said the can not…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
all i can say is, standing outside US, when Clinton was prez everybody outside US wanted to trade with the US, remind the dollar was expensive then, now when the dollar is cheap like candy the market should flourish, but nobody wants to touch the american market due to Bush’s economy…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:33 am
“Clinton rode the internet boom to a decent economy…he did little in office to help the economy. NAFTA???”
When Clinton left office there was a surplus of money to the tune of millions of dollars. As soon as Bush walked through that door a defecit was born.
Your judgement is clearly clouded by your bias.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Dakota for president in 2012!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
I like Obama and I think he’s a good guy, but he doesn’t hae the clout to be president. If he’s elected he will be another Jimmy Carter, and nice guy with grand ideas, but political clout to get the job done.
AND the last time I had a real job, there was a Clinton in office.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 am
The Clinton economy was always successful. He helped create a greater dollar value, which helped US companies compete (buy) technologies. Thats why the internet boom helped the economy.
Clinton also had the only state (Arkansas) that was economically sound during the Reaganomics (tricle down economy) years. Coincidence!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Dakota, your half right, but, as usual, half wrong as well.
The dot.com boom was the mother of the great 90s economy. But Clinton didn’t roll over for corporations like a Bush or McCain would. If Bush were president in the ’90s, you could count on the economy being just as it is today. Bush would have signed bill after bill giving big coprorations control of everything. Clinton didn’t do that.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Low income, uneducated whites won’t vote for Obama because he’s a racist. Figure that one out.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Clinton did everything he could to bring our military down. I came in under Bush Sr, served under Clinton and now Bush Jr. Making my escape in October! If Clintion is eleted my wife and I are moving to Germany.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:39 am
and the “groupie” Hill… though nit directly involved… was there to learn the lessons… good and bad… (us married people in here… I’d think.. would agree that all that goes on in our house is experienced by both…)
May 14th, 2008 at 11:40 am
951 if Mccains elected… you’ll be in Germany anyways… as a part of re deployment … prepping for Iran … don’t kid yourself…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Dakota – That Bill O’Reilly video was hilarious. Its amazing how these guys can just put on a face in seconds. Shows you what great actors they truly are. People are fake.
Also…Should Utah be considered the next Spygate contestant?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
LMN — I know the way you write doesn’t always translate clearly to some people here…but, I’m amazed the regulars let your statement about Al go by without a comment. Too much politics, I guess.
But, to say that Al left coaching before everybody figured out he wasn’t a good coach is ludicrous. Even bigger than X’s and O’s is a man’s (or woman’s) ability to motivate. Al sure could do that, and still does that, in his own way.
But, you overlook the coach in Al — not giving him credit where it’s due. He studied the best, incorporated many of their techniques, changed some, and came into his own style. He was credited for doing these things, not by the organization, but by outsiders. Like any fast-climber, he made enemies, but they sure respected him.
As far as his going on to be an owner and commissioner — and probably the most influential owner the modern NFL has known — no matter how fine a coach he may have been, he had another calling. If he was meant to be a coach, he would’ve known it. He had bigger ideas and he found a way to get them done.
What’s a great coach, anyway? The guy in Denver or New England? I won’t even mention their names in the same paragraph as Al’s. They are great at cheating their own brothers in the league, though.
LMN — Saying Al wasn’t a great coach is the NFL equivalent of saying Abraham Lincoln wasn’t a great lawyer…even if it were close to true, it’d be moot, because they both carved greater destinies.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
TW,
You believe in reincarnation and you call Christians “nutjobs”? Lol.
I have two family members in the military, and they don’t complain near as much about the middle east as you crybaby liberal wussies do. I guess someone has to serve in the military so you spineless jellyfish can go around killing babies in the womb while promoting the rights of murders and pedophiles.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
LT, those are good points. But you will not make a case demonstrating that Hillary will do more to bring back that economy than Obama would, especially considering Hillary’s association with Wal Mart. She’s Bill Clinton’s wife. Nothing more. We always wondered how she could stay married to Clinton. When stories stared circulating of her running for president, that question was answered, wasn’t it?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
okay so how bout them raiders huh
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Arkansas had a booming Chicken farm base, that is how they had a “booming” economy. Junior, grab a book that your teacher didn’t hand you before you try to preach economics. Formulate “Educated” opinions that didn’t come from your educator’s.
Can we get back to Football now?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am
okay so what baout jeremiah trotter or takeo spikes
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Hayes-
#687, Great post! I still think the AFC Championship trophy should be called the Al Davis trophy not the Lamar Hunt. What a slap in the face!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Dakota,
Remember Al Gore created the internet.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Its not far fetched that the Clintons (both) have had a vision for the country that they love.
Yeah Arkansas and their chicken farm…All states had reasons why their states should have been more successful, but only Arkansas had a strong economy. California was booming with agriculture, for example.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Anthos Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 am
okay so what baout jeremiah trotter or takeo spikes
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Depends Anthos, which party do they belong to?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 am
951… Go back up to post #475. NATION sports bar locations, link is posted there..
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Thanks 909
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
they need to belong to the raider party cuz thats always in my office
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
The Clinton’s went from poverty to a fortune of $100,000,000 and not paying to have the stains and rug burns removed from the oval office rugs
May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am
This blog rules!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 am
LMN -
Excellent post #675
May 14th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Spikes and Trotter are too old and slow to be a good fit in S&B.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 am
The moderator will have one heck of a time cleaning this mess up! haha
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Dakota, its just one “delete” stroke away from spotless.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Im not sure what post #699 means, but I will always defend the Clintons.
Obama is going to win anyway and I will vote him. McCain is another “W” term in office.
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 11:57 am
If you really think McCain is another “W” you really dont know anything about politics. There is a reason that McCain has had to run for Nomination 4 times. Check his voting record before you lump him in with the idiot. you would be suprised to see just how much lesss conservative he really is.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:57 am
HeyesDaze…
come on man, no need to talk about his abilities as a GM or a commish because that wasn’t the issue, if the talk was about how good a lawyer lincoln was and not how good a president, then we should stay to the subject RaiderTW and I debated…
and of course you have yours opinion, and I have mine, I dont find Al’s merits as coach overwhelming…
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Repost…
# La Milicia Negra Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:20 am
RaiderTW….
hold your horses… i’m not trying to get into a fight about what Al Davis has done for our Franchise… he just wasn’t a great coach
“its manipulating in a way no party could ever copy =)”
All releases made by our franchise is very one sided. The ‘Dem’ or the ‘Rep’ party counldn’t manipulate facts as our Franchise has done… I got the DVD, and its not just facts, its peoples interpretation of facts happen long time ago… But I still love the DVD, and much of it because of how one-sided it is =)
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# RaiderTW Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:27 am
I agree with everything you say with the exception of I only pointed out he was a successful coach. even that can be argued. 23-16-3 is not a successful coaching record but it’s a hellaofalotbetter than 9-33 record posted before him. It takes more to turn a very bad team (4-12)into a good one(10-4 the 1st job coaching).
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La Milicia Negra Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RaiderTW…
LOL yeah its hellovabetter and we needed to improve to lure players to oakland, so Al made his own foundation as a coach to build on when he became GM
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am
x Hillary’s a U>S> Senator… a College graduate… and accomplished lawyer…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am
LT Crying,
Does the name Monica ring a bell. Or the trail of other’s he did like Paula.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Who do you think the next “veteran” player is going to be that shows up for a spot at camp? My money is on Culpepper coming back.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Tonio Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am
x Hillary’s a U>S> Senator… a College graduate… and accomplished liar.
Just a little edit.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Arlen Specter is calling for an Indpendent Investigation into “Spygate”. More hard earned tax $$ at work accomplishing nothing.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
951 he’s definitely much less conservative than W.. the problem is….. is that he’s compromising himself to be the next W… re: voting records…against W’s tax cuts (originally) where is he now… against “torture” amendments… (how’d he vote?)… wasn’t he who said he could not vote on the bill he brought up on immigration ?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Dakota….#703. lol, There will be only 50 left when the MOD is done w/ the Shop-Vac, w/ this mess.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Kobe’s out for tonights game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
951
I think Culpepper still has his eye on a situation where he can start. If a QB goes down and they have no one to call on. Unless Vinnie Testaverde unretires.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
What the hell, I thought this was a Raider football blog??? This is a 2nd election with terrible candidates, you’d think either party would have groomed someone to be a hands down candidate. So, anyone have any good rumors about adding/deleting players or if Al is moving to a new stadium any time soon?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
LMN — Just stick with the coaching then…how does Al’s short coaching career stack-up against other first-time head coaches? My opinion has little to do with it, except to point out your folly. Every now and then, you go out of your way to ignore stats.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
It’d be great to get Pepper back … he’s already the experience in the system… and as we thought would be last year… he’d still (I think) be a good mentor for JMAC
May 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Post #709 I was referring to the poverty to riches part of the #699. I was currious if the Clintons had done something illegal to gain riches.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Yeh, Culpepper or Difler.. but of course Walter never had a chance being on his ass all the time..use that money on another D lineman
May 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
hmm…
tonio
i’ve tried to submit a post, several times, somehow its illegal to post country names… but regarding your post about being a trend setter, if you got a female president now, you still would be about 25 years behind most other countries, even countries that you usual would think you were better than…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Culpepper coming back would free-up Andrew Walter for trade to the Cardinals.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
HD37
first, I dont give a flying rats ass about stats, I have worked with stats so long that you can give the impression that you want… as a former soccer coach said.. “stats is like a underskirt, it entices you but, it hides what really matters” =)
second, Al was mentioned in the same breath as madden, Gruden, Shanahan and that was what I objected to, RaiderTW and i moved on long time ago =)
May 14th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
I still think Walter was given a crappy deal. He was thrown in behind a turnstyle OL and expected to proform. The kid is shellshocked. Put him behind a good line and watch him dominate.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
LT crying,
They are being sued in California forstealing over a million dollars. 2-part video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&NR=1
They are low lifes.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
TW,
“You believe in reincarnation and you call Christians “nutjobs”? Lol.
I have two family members in the military, and they don’t complain near as much about the middle east as you crybaby liberal wussies do. I guess someone has to serve in the military so you spineless jellyfish can go around killing babies in the womb while promoting the rights of murders and pedophiles.”
Dakota -
The wealth of your ignorance is astounding. I am embarassed for you.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Seriously doubt, Bellpepper will be back.AL/Kiff are going to wait for June 1st. cuts, before bringing in a vet q.b. Like it or not, Andrew is #2.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Just kidding,
Kobe is not out tonight Dakota. You can quit looking for it now.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
ad hand sorry to hurt somebodys feelings…
if Culpepper returns I hope its to take him out back and…
Culpepper don’t deserve to wear SnB! he left once he knew he wasn’t #1 anylonger… you can call him a clown all that you want, but McCown was there for Jammy all the way, you dont think he was better than DC but who is under contract now?
Culpepper dont even deserve to get a rosterspot in canada. Period!
A guy like quinn grey would i love to welcome, but Culpepper he can go XXXX himself!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
whew
May 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
La Milicia: You are one of my favorite posters. I really enjoy your points of view, but I think you should know that few of us think we are better than other countries. Nor are we against having a female president. I won’t vote for Hilary Clinton because I differ with her politically, but I would not hesitate to vote for a woman who I did agree with. Margrett Thatcher was one of my favorite politicians.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
I don’t mind Andrew being #2, I just don’t want to see him #3 because some old has been was signed to mentor JR. Its hard to mentor someone who is starting. The QB coach should be going over the snapshots with the young QB not some washout.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Wow, LMN, it’s late there and you’re getting cranky. Al was mentioned with those other guys because they had all coached the Raiders, that’s all.
Maybe you should just keep talking politics…thought it was going to be an interesting distraction from that.
Any other Raiders-related topics to discuss? Anyone? Buehler?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
951…
I agree, We threw him under the bus, he deserves to be picked up after such tumult… I still think Walter is way better than Romo, if Romo was behind our ‘06 line he would have been dead
May 14th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Thats interesting (post #726). Doesn’t mean they’re guilty, but I’m not blinded by the fact that they helped this country and might be guilty.
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Walter is a great #2, and I like him a lot. I hope he goes somewhere and starts for the next 10-years. Broken record time: Walter, Curry, and a pick for Anquan Boldin!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
LMN
Completely agree with you. I would rather have Dilfer, the 90 year old hack, backing up Walter then DC’s fumbling, sorry azz. That is one thing I don’t want JR learning how to do. DC giving up the ball cost us at least 2 games last year. On the positive side, it did allow the Raiders to get the best RB in the draft, yet cost them the best DL or LB in the draft.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
HD37
it was the middle of the day, and i wasn’t cranky and now its not that late, i’m up the next 5 hours, but I don’t know why I have to explain my self to you, are you the raider conduct police or what?
As said many times before it was a debate with RaiderTW. if you want to join you better read all our corresponding first.
you don’t have to explain what RaiderTW wrote, I understood it the first time…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am
“LT Crying,
Does the name Monica ring a bell. Or the trail of other’s he did like Paula.”
That has to be THE LAMEST ARGUMENT EVER! Wow, you’re really reaching now. Let’s attack someone’s personal life because he is doing such an excellent job, we have nothing else to go on. Pathetic.
George W Bush has admitted to habitual cocaine use and is an alcoholic. He is a draft doding republican. Just because he can’t get an intern to blow him doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it in a hot second. Your argument holds zero validity.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
I’m new to San Jose…can anyone tell me if there’s a good Raiders bar in SJ or the immediate area? Besides Ricky’s?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
If cap space wasn’t an problem and both Chad Johnson and T.O. were available who would look better in S&B.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Strictly…
thanx btw, regarding my post 675 =)
May 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
LT crying
That’s what this Raider country is about. Differing opinions. Peace.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
951…
dont ask such questions =)
I’d say TO because he has proved himself in dallas that he can behave, I think CJ will have better records than TO the next 3 years, but I just don’t trust CJ
May 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Wow, LMN — Don’t know what I did to get you so upset with me. Thought this place was to come to discuss sports and all things Raiders. Thought that’s what you and I were doing. Then, you got mad and closed your mind. You don’t need to explain yourself, I get it already.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Justin Fargus trade to Baltimore for Ray Lewis..
May 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
test
May 14th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
#744 I hope we get the Raiders in the playoffs, this country in the right direction and the right person in the oval office (whom ever that is).
GOD BLESS AND GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Here is what I support…which candidate should I vote for?
Free speech
Free religion
War only when necessary
National security
Right to bear arms
Aboortion only in cases of raappe, iinncest and medical necessity (note: intentional misspellings to get around moderation)
Lower taxes for the middle class
Higher taxes on the rich
Restraints on lobbying
Social programs cleaned up and better regulated
Cleaner fuel alternatives and less dependence on foreign oil
Insurance industry regulation
Lakers
Cubs
ND
LA Kings
Raiders
May 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Man, they’re going to have OTA’s in this heat! It’s going to be even worse Thursday…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Dakota -
If you support all of those things why do you promote idiocy? It’s as if you are a walking contradiction…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Dakota you kind of fell of with the kings thing man. I can let the scrubs slide by but the kings? WTF man? They haven’t been relivant since I was in Jr High and had the great one, Luke and Berry Melrose! I can even over look your misguided support for ND…..wait a second, no I can’t. How the hell can you support CW? Your really a NE fan in S&B clothing aren’t you. lol
May 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Watch out Dakota, your liberal horns are showing. Comservatives are wipping boys for insurance, poluting companies and the rich.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Let it go guys…..Let it go.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Go Raiders!!!
Gov. Bush is the biggest mass murderer in the world. He started as the biggest mass murderer in Texas. I refer to him as Gov. Bush because that’s the only office he was elected to by the people.
Dakota, more people believe in reincarnation than there are Christians on the planet!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Greedo
Its fairly cold in SoCal, what is the weather like up there? OTA’s should be in the heat. Stress the bodies and make the minds stronger.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Hot in Alameda today, tommorrow.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
HD37…
you brought something up, clearly without reading the entire correspondence…then there is no need to talk about it again is there? because if you read it you would know that the issue was done…
I know RaiderTW mentioned raider coaches, he did so, because I said Lane Kiffin will be the next Flores or Madden!
when he listed those coaches I disagreed with RaiderTW about Al’s merit as Coach – nothing more nothing else. and then was that subject done, then you come 9 hours later and pick up something that is passé. I rather talk about something else than this echo…
Mad? No I’m not mad, Im just tired of your routine, you pick up something I’ve said way earlier and then you “pick” on me, and want me to explain myself, and if I don’t want to then i’m obvious mad???… I cant see the reason for this lag, but I’m not mad, and I love to talk about something else…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
MR,
Promoting national security, lower taxes and being against killing babies are my priorities, and unfortunately we only have a couple of choices, so I go with the lesser of two evils…in my view. Right now I am so disappointed in the current choices for president I will probably abstain again, as I did in 04.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
RaiderTW…
I seem not to get through, will you please explain it for me, that you and I are done with the Al davis/coach talk ?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Stoopid Americans have the government they deserve.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Raider TW
What kind of crack are you smoking? These random flyby noncense ramblings have got to stop. Pull your cranium from your rectal cavity and get focused on supporting your team and let issues you know nothing about stay aboue your IQ level. Mayonayes packets don’t vote for a reason. Your making a great case as to why.
The reason more people believe in reincarnation is there are more people from that culture on the planet.
How is that relivent to what the Raiders are doing this offseason?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Why don’t we just have another Civil War?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Yeah!
I would support that, cut you county up in 4 nations!
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Go Raiders!!!
Dakota, maybe your military friends should have gotten 6 defferments like Cheney did or dodge the war like Bush, Rumsfeld, & the rest of the Bush cabnet did. Maybe they are proud to serve their country like the war hero Kerry. Too bad Gov Bush’s white house chose to kill Sadam like his dad didn’t! Either way this war is for oil, remember Bush saying the oil would pay for the war? Lying sacks like most GOP
May 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
More people believed the world was flat before someone proved them wrong.
More people believed that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it before someone proved them wrong.
What does more people believing something have to do with right and wrong?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
well said K.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Reece sounds to be someone we could use in the future. Russell needs weapons to grow up with like Shields and McFadden. Reece will also help build a chemistry in the years to come, not so much now.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
“Stoopid Americans have the government they deserve.”
LOL… Jealousy
May 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
K-Rock,
Reincarnation & The Pearly gates have not been proven or disproven.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Besides politics, it was about the only topic worth getting into on today’s message board.
And, I did read the all the posts, when that one jumped out. Showing what TW said doesn’t change my opinion. What time you wrote it, or when I read your opinion doesn’t matter, it was still ypour opinion, and it got my interest. Didn’t know there were time-limits on comments.
Guess I’ll ask permission next time I’d like to ask a question. “Picking on” someone isn’t my style, but my opinion’s no less valuable than yours.
Have a good one. LMN — this isn’t our day to be in a discussion, I guess.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Jeeeeebus!
Christiano Ronaldo, has a price tag for £100m, thats $194.5m for just one player, and just to acquire him… thats about what Al has used this offseason on several players… and even with a time spread…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
RaiderTW Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Dakota, more people believe in reincarnation than there are Christians on the planet!
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Great! But I already knew the world is full of nut jobs TW. We are all probably nut jobs, living with whatever fairy tale faith we need to get us through life. Personally, I hope you are wrong about reincarnation…who would want to live more than one life on this planet?
May 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Jebus… this place is a freakin powder keg today. I hope Jerry Mac has something, anything, for us. Come on Jerry, at least give us the definitive height of one Reece, Marcel; or even just a weather report from Alameda.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I believe the Raiders are going to sweep both the Chefs and the Donkeys. We might split with the Sparks but we will destroy their QB. I hope!
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I guess there aren’t any good Raiders bars in San Jose. Thanks.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
RaiderTW…
I seem not to get through, will you please explain it for me, that you and I are done with the Al davis/coach talk ?
Sure, I listed 4 of the youngest successful head coaches in the NFL. You said Al wasn’t a great coach, I agreed but said he was still one of the most successful of young coaches. My point was the Raiders hired the youngest coaches ever in a time when old was in: Halas, Lombardi, Landry, Knox, etc.
Al was the inovator when it comes to hiring good young coaches. Let’s hope Lane surpasses Gruden in success.
RaiderNation951 nonsensical to you I’m sure, don’t know what I’m talking about? Why cause you don’t understand? Mayonayes packets don’t vote for a reason? Nice quip, actually the last 2 Pres elections PROVED your vote doesn’t count anyway. Try figuring that one out.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I haven’t found anything on the WR Schilens 40 times. He isn’t even listed as participating in SDSU’s pro day workout.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
HD37…
then I don’t understand what you want of me… am I entitled to have that opinion ?
no there is not time-limits, yuo debate like a teenager, if I doesn’t want to repeat im mad, if I say its a old topic, then you say “Didn’t know there were time-limits on comments”
sounds like my GF’s teenage sister…
I still don’t what you agenda is/was, but if it was to say that you think I’m wrong about Al Davis Coaching Merits, then I got it. But I disagree, hope you think that is okay
May 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
San Jose — If you didn’t find one on the list at vertgame . com, then I suggest you find a bar close to home and make it a Raiders bar. Take your friends, spend a few dollars, and the bar will gladly make you a favorite crowd. Plenty of bar owners would love to host a group of fans every week. Four fans becomes eight fans, eight becomes sixteen, and so on.
After a few weeks, the bar will be flying the colors (if they don’t already), and the alcohol distributors will give them cool Raiders signs, posters and neon lights. Talk to the owners of your favorite bars, they’d probably love to become a fan hangout.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
arlen spectra R-Pensylvania wants to inquire about the NFL cover up of the Patsies/Spygate.
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
San Jose, Check post #476.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Bill Clinton is speaking today at 2:45 at a school in the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, only about 70 minutes from where I live…I almost went, but I thought I had some work to do today, instead here I am, causing trouble on a blog. I may regret not going.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
RaiderTW Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Dakota, more people believe in reincarnation than there are Christians on the planet!
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Great! But I already knew the world is full of nut jobs TW. We are all probably nut jobs, living with whatever fairy tale faith we need to get us through life. Personally, I hope you are wrong about reincarnation…who would want to live more than one life on this planet?
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think about this, if you had lived a bad life you would come back as 49′er fan… woaw thats scary
May 14th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
LMN, I’m not allowed to disagree with you, I get it. You win.
Next!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
NFL.com
San Diego State (March
Seventeen NFL teams were present, and prospects worked out outdoors on Field Turf…
» QB Kevin O’Connell (6-5 ¼, 222): Ran position drills but kept his numbers from the combine for everything else.
» OL Will Robinson (6-5 1/8, 292): Had a 26-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 2-inch long jump, 4.69 short shuttle, 7.32 cone drill, ran position drills and kept his other numbers from the combine.
» LS Tyler Schmitt (6-2 5/8, 236): Had a 7.19 cone drill, and kept his combine numbers for everything else.
» WR Chaz Schilens (6-4, 208): Ran the 40 in 4.38 and 4.39, had a 43-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 3-inch long jump, 4.25 short shuttle, 6.84 cone drill, and ran position drills.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8077566a&template=with-video&confirm=true
May 14th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
That’s pretty good for a guy Chaz’z size.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Dakota
Re post 750, you are with the Democrats the whole way except for the abortion issue (which I realize isn’t exactly a small issue). Given earlier comments I thought you were very conservative, but you listed the tax policies that the dems follow, and those key rights, freedom of speech and religious, are straight up liberalism.
This is probably an argument for more than 2 parties.
You might want to go Libertarian too. Not my thing, but it might fit what you’re saying.
Oh, and good call on McFadden.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Lofa Tatupu was arrested for a DUI, now the Sea Chickens need to cut him for “personality problems” and the Raiders need to offer him a Fat contract!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
San jose…
there is a guy here with a nick containing ‘408′ 408Raider or something, he is from San Jose, he might know stuff, just look for him here =)
May 14th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
TT
Thanks and welcome!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Go Raiders
K-Rock, & Dakota,
There is more “proof” of Reincarnation than there is of God. Google it & see the reincarnated telling stories for CENTURIES of living a past life with the memories of the former plus evidence of birthmarks from the death in the previous life. I don’t care about convincing you guys I’m just defending myself as you are attacking me. In fact there is more proof of reincarnation than there is Jesus was an actual person. Where is your god now???hahahahahaa
zeitgeistmovie.com
I’m done talking to republicans that are so narrow minded they could look thru a keyhole with BOTH eyes., Raider football!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Dakota,
Also sounds like you’ve been living near Jesse Ventura.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
so what happened to free tibet that was a fad or what?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
#789 not all Democrats are pro choice. Not all Reps are pro life. Only the extreem conservatives and liberals fit those stereotypes.
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hahahaa…
I used to have respect for you but its declining…
My last point was….
“I still don’t what you agenda is/was, but if it was to say that you think I’m wrong about Al Davis Coaching Merits, then I got it. But I disagree, hope you think that is okay”
your last remark…
“LMN, I’m not allowed to disagree with you, I get it. You win.”
As I said I don’t believe you’ve read it all, because then this wouldn’t have gone this far… but do you get why I compared you to a teenage chick?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
who yall got Barack or hillary if mcclain wins that would be outrages
May 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Now if the FCC was to get involved for the Pats blocking frequencies for wireless devices during games, a big no-no, then maybe the FBI could ask Walsh some things he might be aware of, or others on the pats staff….
A word of advice from Barry Bonds before you are questioned:
don’t lie, those guys only ask questions they already have answers for.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
722, wow I’m not first but that’s not bad…We are set everywhere else, DDDDDDDDD linemen
May 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
TT…
hola…
have you been scouting next years crop?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
#801 Rey Mauluaga MLB USC
GO RAIDERS
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
LT
You’re right about Reps and Dems not all fitting the party platform, but those are still the official positions of the parties, and most registered Reps and Dems do go with the party line on that issue. So it’s not just a stereotype. But more than a third of the electorate are independents anyway, splitting on the issue. So back to my earlier pitch: more than 2 parties would better capture what Americans actually stand for, and give us more diverse choices.
Damn, I do politics all day every day and so never ever talk politics on this blog. I get on here to escape all that … and I guess just violated my own self imposed no politics rule. Dammit.
Um, so whose the best RDE on the roster now, Raider Nation? Go Raiders.
Oh, and how do you pronounce Schilens? Tommy, I suspect you know the answer to that one … please advise.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
WR Chaz Schilens 40 in 4.38/9. Listed at 6′4 208lbs.
WR Arman Sheilds 40 in 4.37. Listed at 6′1 194lbs.
WR Marcel Reece 40 in 4.40/7 listed at 6′ 231lbs. (played HB for Washington)
For the most part, all fast, desent hands. Lets hope they can run routes and hand on to the ball.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
yummy =)
May 14th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
The anti abortion movement…
People, mostly men, who want to see women punished with a pregnancy for having casual sex. Nothing more. The baby can starve to death in a rat infested housing project, for all the care. Think it’s just a coincidence that most of these people are against welfare, as well?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
My word shut up already, this blog has went to crap, complete crap
May 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
#803 Sorry, no more politics.
RDE Richardson (2nd yr.)
May 14th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
LMN, I obviously struck a chord by questioning your stance. I didn’t mean for it to become what it has. You never answered my questions, you just shut me down. Differing opinions…no biggie. For a guy who keeps saying to let it go, you sure do want to tangle.
If you want to tangle, answer my question about how Al’s record stands-up to other first-time head coaches. If you don’t want to debate it, move on to the next issue that pleases you. Like I said…Next!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Between those three guys(Shields, Schilens, and Reece) I expect to land at least one quality starter, it will be nice to find out which one of these freaks will seperate themselves from the rest, or if the competition will motivate JLH to improve, we have three decent starers and we have plenty of freaks competing, so we have options at the position and these types of competitions are what help keep the OTAs and offseason training camps intereting…..
out
May 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
The same people telling everyone to stop talking politics are the ones talking the most politics, themselves.
Sure…no more politics. Right after you get your views out there…
May 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
KC cut Chris Bober-OG and Kevin Sampson-OT. I think both started a some point for them last year.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
and it’s pronounced “Shilens” although it’s spelled Schilens NC, just be glad you don’t have to pronounce his full first name……..
now……
i’m out
May 14th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
If JLH doesn’t go get the ball aggressively, he won’t make it out of the pre-season. All the talent and speed in the world won’t change the fact he might just be intimidated at this level. Hopefully, he’s over it.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
RaiderTW, you are right about reincarnation.
Plenty of evidence if you look.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
i bet 500 dat teh raiders finish wit more then 7 wins if they finish wit 7 we break even how yall like dat bet?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
LT, I think you’re probably right. I assume it will come down to Richardson at RDE arternating with some rejuvenated veteran — Edward I guess, with Spires over on Burgess’s side, rotating with him? Either way, seems alot less bleak at DE than it did a short time ago.
I am looking forward to seeing the O and D line competitions really get underway. Hope they sign Chukwu to compete at DT too. Just want to see them stop the run …
May 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Tommy, the thre guys you mentioned have talent, but who do you think will make it?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Reese set the UW single reception record with a 98 yarder aginst Arizona. He averaged 19.9 YPR last season.
I can see Schilens and Shields both back receiving kickoff’s and Punt duty sending JLH down the road.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Thanks for the clarification Tommy. Later.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
NC Raider…
I hear ya… I like that we have more paries than 2, I find it very old fasioned to have 2 like US and UK… furthermore I don’t understand how US can be call itself democratic, when so few citizens is able to vote, and that you can lose you eligibility to vote…
in 2004… a total of 122M votes, in a country with 300M citizens… when under 50% of the population decides who to reign over the entire nation, is that democracy?
if the count gets below 80% in DK, we say its a bad election….
May 14th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
NC Raider, I have to disagree with your view of my list and here are my thoughts on each:
Free speech (both parties support this)
Free religion (D)
War only when necessary (R-warmongers D-wussies that think you can talk your way through anything)
National security (R)
Right to bear arms (R)
Aboortion only in cases of raappe, iinncest and medical necessity (note: intentional misspellings to get around moderation) (Moderate Republicans)
Lower taxes for the middle class (Both parties claim this, Republicans actually do it)
Higher taxes on the rich (D)
Restraints on lobbying (neither party really want this)
Social programs cleaned up and better regulated (Both parties mess this up, Ds encourage reliance on these programs to ensure they have a base of voters for the next election)
Cleaner fuel alternatives and less dependence on foreign oil (Ds for the first part, R claim they want this for the second part, neither side can figure it out)
Insurance industry regulation (D)
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That is my platform:
Dakota for President in 2012!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
i got the lakers winning the ship bostons garbage detroits old and rasheed thinks he’s a shooting gaurd lebron still has some things to learn about capturing the ring, new orleans and san antonio strong but i think there going to run out of gas after this series. Lakers will close out Utah in 6. Conferance championship in 5. NBA Champs in 6
May 14th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Denzel Washington for president he fits the description
May 14th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Kirk Says:
RaiderTW, you are right about reincarnation.
Plenty of evidence if you look.
Thanx, Kirk but they won’t look. I wish everone would go to zeitgeistmovie.com order the DVD for seven whole dollars & watch it. Of course you should have watched the Oakland Raiders: the Complete History & watched it several time by now.
THIS MEANS YOU MADDENRAIDER because you aren’t a Raider fan in the first place. Get some edumacation!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I get your point Dakota. I think we interpret these stances and issues differently, but But you certainly have thought it out, and I can’t ask for more than that. If you run in 2012 is McFadden the running mate? How ’bout Tim Brown?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
HD37….
how many times do I have to say this, I don’t know what you want of me, if i haven’t answered your question, then ask it again, but you must admit, you definitely didn’t take the high road, acting like a whiffed teenager
but what is it to question, I just don’t find Al Davis a coaching as something outstanding, as I don’t find most of the 60’s football serious
but as late in #797 I say I don’t get you agenda, so why dont you just elaborate? in stead of saying i’m mad and other childish stuff?
As I said I’d love to talk footbal
May 14th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Dakota…
(note: intentional misspellings to get around moderation) (Moderate Republicans)
Quote of the day… Muahahahah good stuff
May 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Hello LMN. Want to come to the US as ambassador to the Dakota administration? Take your time. It won’t be til 2012 at the earliest …
Oh, and go Raiders.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Lakers need to refocus. Kobe is hurt. I just had back surgery and hope he didn’t do any structural damage to his back on that uncalled foul.
If Kobe can play the Lakeshow in 6,
NO and SA need to take it to 7 with SA winning and being worn out.
Boston sucks. Overrated, underachievers from the east need to bow down to King James and the Cavs in 6.
Det sucks. I dispise everything related to that sheite whole. Orlando choked and should have won that series!
Clevlend and Lakers in the Finals with the Lakers sweeping the Cav’s. Lebron signs with the Lakers when he becomes a FA and all is right in the NBA again.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Enough with the non-Raider football dialog. This is NOT a political forum. We’ve ALL probably had enough of the talking heads promising anything & everything for the sake of a vote. They are all corrupt PC whores willing to do & say anything.
Let’s not contaminate OUR football forum with crap that, at this point in time, means absolutely nothing. Enough of the bureaucrats and enough with the bulls**t. STICK TO FOOTBALL! I can’t saying it any clearer than that.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
TW,
I read some on reincarnation…fascinating stuff. Really. Dr. Stevenson’s study is something I would certainly like more information on.
So, in that belief system, do all people get to come back and do they always return as humans?
Oh yeah….GOOOOO RAIDERS!
May 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
You guys talking politics remind me of Shakespeare’s quote about life.
“It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.”
This country is 60 TRILLION dollars in debt, by any meaningful measurement. Thanks to all of the politicians in office or running for office from both parties.
If you have a family of four, then your family already owes ONE MILLION dollars to pay for CURRENT obligations. But it doesn’t end there, because thanks to Social Security, this country will be over ONE HUNDRED TRILLION dollars in debt by 2017.
Both parties will “save” Social Security by raising taxes rather than by privatizing, which is the only thing that could slow the hemorrhaging. Those tax increases will allow the problem to grow exponentially worse. But hey, that’s the next generations problem, and that’s all the politicians are interested in.
There is nothing you can do about it, nobody you can vote for that will change any of it. You want to change the world, start by changing yourself. The government can only take your money, your freedom and your life. Neither of the first two is a prerequisite for happiness. And when you die, none of this will matter.
Just love your neighbor, take care of your family, and watch the Raiders systematically destroy the AFC West.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
LMN — Thor’s mighty hammer couldn’t crack through your stubborn layer. You keep saying let it go, but you won’t. I have changed the subject at least 3-times, even tried to help a guy find his own Raiders bar, since I asked one question that you took offense to. Since I haven’t gotten my answer, and my opinion doesn’t matter, I’ve moved on to other topics.
But, not taking football in the 60’s seriously? Is that a topic of discussion, or do we need to stay on politics?
May 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I’d Love to be ambassador, one of my friends uncle was Ambassador for Ita1y in DC, He lived in a huuuge mansion was on the board of Boeing as well.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
i would like to see Chukwu make the team also….any big strong DT who is a two gap type would add great depth and competition…
May 14th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
HayesDaze…
I still don’t know your question, thats why I havent asked… do you know it yourself? I’ll try to ask if I can, if you give me the queation again
May 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I still don’t know your question, thats why I haven’t answered…
May 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
they all return Raider Fans
May 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I don’t think there is a 2 gap DT anywhere near this roster right now.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
LT,
i like Clinton (i’ll would vote for her ahead of McCain thats for sure) but Obama is my choice because he represents TRUE change to me. Literally and symbolically for this country because it sorely needs it. An Obama and Clinton ticket would be a VERY strong ticket IMO. The Clintons have had there time in office…and true change is needed.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
darkknight01 Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
i would like to see Chukwu make the team also….any big strong DT who is a two gap type would add great depth and competition…
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On day two of the draft we had our run-stuffing DT in sight, Red Bryant….instead Al traded up for a guy we could have gotten with a trade up in the 5th round…I guess Al though we needed a backup safety/kick returner instead of a run-stuffing DT…go figure.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
all these cats these free agents and rookies aint making the team no matter there 40 times theres a reason there their aka football IQ, bad angles, scared of contact, caught out of position, cant remember the playbook, trouble running routes, trouble reading offenses, the list goes on and on.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Gordo, That was great, i like you post a lot.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Dakota, all people come back until they achieve perfection, and they only come back as people.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“But, not taking football in the 60’s seriously? Is that a topic of discussion, or do we need to stay on politics?”
yeah if the others want to join… a football palyer from the 60 wouldn’t last 10 minutes in modern football…
but please ask me your original question first
May 14th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
mcfaadenswagon, you just described almost the entire defensive unit under Rob Ryan!
May 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I would love for two of last years guys on DL come in and raise hell. Burgess in a contract year is going to have a chip on his sholders, Kelly is going to prove he deserved his contracg, that leaves another DT and DE to step up and make a name for them self. My money is on Richardson and “The Turd” Sands.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Can they even sign Chukwu at this point, don’t they already have their maximum amount of 80 players on the roster? Jerry Mac where you at, this great Raider blog is degenerating into a political blog.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Did you guys know that there are political blogs too?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
951,i agree maybe edwards will do what clemons did last year,or scott if he makes the roster.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Kirk Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Dakota, all people come back until they achieve perfection, and they only come back as people.
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Thanks Kirk. Man, it would be a lot easier to live life if that is what you believed in…no repercussions for your actions. Do whatever you want in life and get do-overs until you get it right! Nice. Convenient too.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
You already know the answer to the question I’ve asked a number of times, that’s why you don’t want to post it. I disagree with, but understand your point — Al wasn’t a great coach. You win. Keep chasing that tail.
LMN, I’m not your enemy, we just have a disagreement here and there. But after the first few times around, I knew we weren’t getting anywhere. Again, no biggie — let’s get on with the day.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I know I don’t post much, but I read everything, and this is getting annoying, I feel like I typed in the wrong website or something. While some of us are democrats, and others are republican, we are all the Raider Nation. Can we please keep to the Raiders?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Just because someone went to a small school, weren’t drafted doesn’t mean that they can’t play the game. I would be suprised is either Schilens or Shields didn’t make the team. I realize that one of the “was” drafted, but there is room for both of them on this roster. God knows it wouldn’t hurt to have them around.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
IMO, scott,branch, nd 1 WR from the rookies will make the roster. maybe 1 LB too.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
LMN — What?! Jim Brown wouldn’t make it in today’s NFL? Gale Sayers? Johnny U?
Now I think Thor’s hammer may have just hit you in the head.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
951, if we keep 2 FB, 3-4RB, and 3-4 TEs, we are not going to have roster space for more than 5-6 WRS.
Walker, Curry,Carter,JLH are a lock to make the roster, so that doesnt leave a lot of spots open for the rookies.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
That’s like saying Pele couldn’t play in today’s soccer leagues.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I think Jackson and Simons (both LB’s) have a good shot at making the team.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
JLH is a lock cause he is our PR.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
HD37
I have no enemies, but wouldn’t be easier just ask the question again than claiming that i know it? it was wrong when i didn’t want to repeat my day, but now that I clearly wants to answer you wont ask??
May 14th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I wouldn’t call JLH a lock. 3 RB’s, 3 TE’s max.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
O — JLH’s roster space is far from secure. The one place he could cement his roster spot is on special teams, and he failed at that last year. He better bring more game this year, or he’s gone.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
HD37…
Muahahaha Pele wouldn’t have left his ghetto in todays soccer…
Pele is nothing
May 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
951, 1 yes, both i dont think so, and this why, Sam,RT,KGB,euka.. i cant spell his name,and others.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
JHL didn’t do anything in the return game last year that someone else couldn’t come in and do. The difference, the FA’s are cheaper. Had JLH run a couple back like P Buc did a few years ago, I would think he was more likely to stick around.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
There is no credible evidence for reincarnation. Only the so-called testimony of people.
The same with every other faith. That is why it is called a faith.
If you believe that, I am fine with it. Both of us will have to face the consequences of our choices.
We both have free will.
My only point was that the number of people who believe something does not validate its truthfulness.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Raider O…
JLH could lose his WR gig, and he has almost lost his PR gig to Branch…
May 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I’m saying JLH is a lock cause he is our PR, we have no one else, not cause he is agood WR.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Pele is great doode stop being ignorant
May 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
thats why he’ll take a roster spot.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I keep looking at Euka and a couple of others that were suspect in special teams last year. If they can’t do the job, they will be replaced. the only 2 LB’s that I think are a lock are the Law firm. But this is RR’s defense. So, he will keep the non tackling scrubs like Stu on the roster eating a space that someone else should have.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
TW, Kell, and all others…
We may not agree on everything, but I would be proud to drink a beer a cheer for the Raiders with any of you guys.
I am still Raider Nation
May 14th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
LMN, bransh is KR not a PR.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
JLH is no lock to make this team; Holland and Branch can return punts. All they would have to do is catch the ball to do better than JLH last season.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Stu will cost us 2.3 mil this year.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Arlen Spector, still bitter about the Eagles loss in the SB…man, he is one irate fan to propose wasting more time and money on spygate.
He should investigate why McNabb performed like he was in a drug-induced coma on the last couple of drives in that SB.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Arlen Spector, still bitter about the Eagles loss in the SB…man, he is one irate fan to propose wasting more time and money on spygate.
He should investigate why McNabb performed like he was in a drug-induced coma on the last couple of drives in that SB.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
why do you guys keep saying branch on PR, he has never done it.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
branch was a KR in college, he didnt do both.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Raider O…
you’re right, I just assumed that when he can handle KR, then he would snatch the PR gig from JLH because we all know JLH cant find the handle on the ball
May 14th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
LMN,
Don’t give up on JLH so fast…I think he is going to win the PR job this year and catch some passes on offense to boot! Kid just went through a tough first year, but if he worked hard in the offseason he could be a nice contributor next year.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
PR and KR are different, i agree JLH didnt do much last year and at tims looked sorry, now at 1st of the season he fumbeled a couple of balls on PR, but towards the end of season he had a couple of goos ones, and he was really good at UTEP as a PR thats why we drafted him, not csause he was the best WR but cause he can do both.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Dakota…
I hope you’re right, I rooted for him last year, I think he gets emotional, on returns, just before he receives the ball he looks like the ice cracks under him
May 14th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
JLH looked great returning punts and kicks in the pre-season, then got doe-eyed during the regular season. He just needs some more reps and he might become a playmaker, but he better start looking over his shoulder, he is gonna have to beat out all of those rookies fair and square for a roster spot.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
he had a 55 yard return last year on a punt, lets see what he can do this season. he needs to learn to how to secure the ball better.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
JLH did ok for what he was brought in to do, that is why I don’t think he is a lock keep a roster spot. Its not like the team has to be loyal to top picks, let alone those taken 5 round up. If he makes it, he better produce this year. there are other WR’s that didn’t that may also get the boot. McFoy, Buchannon(sp). The WR’s should be the most competitive spot on the roster. If you cant return better then JHL did last year, they won’t make the team. I think Scilens and Shields will both have a better showing the JLH. I just don’t have the confidence in him that others do. I hope he proves me wrong, that would make the Raiders better and that is all that matters.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
For the record, I havent ruled him out, he is just on notice…
I liked the pick very much last year, as most you know I didn’t have high thoughts abut Carr, so I still think he could do it, just that if he repeats last year, he’ll lose it fast…
May 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Finally, LMN, here are some coaches’ stats you should compare to Al’s if you want to be fair. There are plenty more examples, too.
Belicheck in Cleveland…..36-44
Pete Carroll…..31-33 combined NYJ / NE
Vince Lombardi in GB in 1959…..7-5 (next year lost the championship game)
Tom Landry…..took 5-years to bring expansion Cowboys to .500, 6-years to go higher
Al’s record easily stands-up to those, and just about any other frist-time head coach the league/s has ever known.
Only thing I said — long ago — was that you weren’t giving Al credit for his coaching ability when he was young. Al’s turnaround of the Raiders, as coach, was the only reason the team was viable. Al the coach got it done.
Where it became this pi$$ing contest, I don’t know, but I’m sorry to confuse the issue with facts.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
HayesDaze37
i’ve backlogged, try to find your question…
is it this…
“What’s a great coach, anyway? The guy in Denver or New England? I won’t even mention their names in the same paragraph as Al’s. They are great at cheating their own brothers in the league, though.”
May 14th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Phillip Buccannon was the last good PR/KR the Raiders had on the roster. It should be a very interestins camp this year as far as special teams goes.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Dakota, you missed the point.
Everything you do comes back to you, in this life or the next. You can’t run away from what you have created. It’s called karma.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
you think deangelo hall returing punts this year?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Back to politics huhahahaha…Edwards just endorsed Obama.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
our PRs and KRs were not good for the past 5-6 years, field position makes a huge difference for the offense, as of now there is no one better than JLH at PR, unless there is something we dont know or a guy that they see potntial in.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
JLH wouldn’t even reach-out for punts last year, he was gun-shy. Ton of talent in the guy, but he better have toughened-up before the pre-season.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Mcfadden, IMHO i’ll say no, cause there is a high risk of injury, and you dont want you 2nd best corner hurt the entire game cause he is a PR,same for Dmac unless you really have noone else. the team invested too much money, and so much is built around them 2 that i dont think the team will risk it, but i can be wrong, what do you think?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Hayes -
You should know by now that LMN is never wrong. Even when proven otherwise. I stopped paying attention to his posts long ago for that simple fact. He’s an arrogant cuss too. Please don’t waste any more of your time going back and forth with a person such as this. I enjoy reading your insights, not you struggling to reach the unreachable. Don’t waste your time…
May 14th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Kirk Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Dakota, you missed the point.
Everything you do comes back to you, in this life or the next. You can’t run away from what you have created. It’s called karma.
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Oh…well that sucks. But it is good to see that they have some checks and balances in their belief system.
So, since my life is pretty good thus far, it means I have been a pretty good person in the past?…or maybe that is why I chose to be a Cubs fan…Karma is punishing me for something I did in the past?…I will have to read up on this stuff. Sounds interesting. Should I start with Karma-sutra? Heard that was a good book.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I doubt that Hall will be returning kicks. That job should be to keep a young WR/CB on the roster. Hall has much more impotatnt duties on the D side of the ball.
JLH hasn’t done a good enough job to call him a lock at PR/KR. He has shown “flashes” but there is a huge difference between a flash and being a productive KR/PR.
I have nothing aginst JHL, I am just not impressed with his production up to this point.
Phil Buc came in right away and went to the house. JLH didn’t, Carr didn’t etc. When someone comes in and shows that they can, JLH is done. I just don’t think he has what it takes. He’s listed at 5′11″, so he is prob about 5′9. That wont cut it. That is why Carter was brought in to play the slot, JLH can’t do it.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
HayesDaze…
well to answer your “questions”
First
“What’s a great coach, anyway? The guy in Denver or New England? I won’t even mention their names in the same paragraph as Al’s. They are great at cheating their own brothers in the league, though.”
- Well I guess that is relative, but you cant be pissed about them cheating, when you in the same breath hail the raiders for their mantra in the 70’s “Rule #1 Cheat” And yes I admire what Mike Shanahan has doen In Denver, I think it was wrong of Al to fire him
Second…
“Only thing I said — long ago — was that you weren’t giving Al credit for his coaching ability when he was young. Al’s turnaround of the Raiders, as coach, was the only reason the team was viable. Al the coach got it done.”
- I’ll repost my this as answer…
La Milicia Negra Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RaiderTW…
LOL yeah its hellovabetter and we needed to improve to lure players to oakland, so Al made his own foundation as a coach to build on when he became GM
If that isn’t giving Al credit to turn the ship I don’t know… But I still don’t think he was a great coach, but that he did a very important job
Hope this satisfy you
May 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Dakota, its Kama sutra, not Karma sutra.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Get it…Karma-Sutra…never mind.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Well, at least Raider O picked up on it…kind of.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
i get it, I was slow on that one.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
East Bay Ray…
My good friend, good to see you back…
as you see further up, I thought Branch was a PR in College, I was clearly wrong…
I have no problem admitting i’m wrong, the thing here is just that most posts in this debate from me, was that I asked for the question again, and the respond was usually “you don’t want to answer”
May 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I got it after i posted, i felt like an idiot.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Thank you, Ray. If nothing else, I do try to stick to facts within the brotherhood. But, just like LMN couldn’t resist reacting, I couldn’t resist the argument. I’m done with that one.
Here’s as much a sports question as any on here today: If a football player gets reincarnated each time he dies, what team will he be on when he reaches perfection?
You know the Cowboys put that hole in their stadium so the heavens looked down on them. They might just claim to own the top spot.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Dakota is buying bazooka bubble gum for the jokes again.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Here is Kama Sutra after judgment day, lol:
http://www.suicidebots.com/robot-art/kamasutra/kamasutra_terminat_013.jpg
May 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
MR,
Promoting national security, lower taxes and being against killing babies are my priorities, and unfortunately we only have a couple of choices, so I go with the lesser of two evils…in my view. Right now I am so disappointed in the current choices for president I will probably abstain again, as I did in 04.”
Well I must say that it is refreshing to get a rational response from someone that usually relies on name calling to deflect from the point.
Your only problem is I am not MaddenRaider. All of you suckers always think there could only be 1 person that disagrees with all of you. I don’t know MaddenRaider personally but he has become the Osama Bin Laden of this board. The name everyone hides behind to talk sh*t to others.
But believe what you will, sometimes it’s easier to just cover your eyes and believe there couldn’t possibly be more than 1 person that disagrees with me.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
LMN, was wrong about branch being a PR, and about kickers being traded, and he admitted being wrong on both, so i wont say he likes to argue, well maybe he does like to argue but he admitts when he is wrong.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Some of you assholes should exchange email addy’s instead of subjecting the rest of us to political diatribe on a RAIDERS blog.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Dalas needed that hole in the roof to allow the stench from the manure to escape to keep from killing all the fans.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
HayesDaze…
hope my answer satisfied your questions…
regarding reincarnation, I posted earlier it wouldn’t be nice if you got bad karma and returned as a 49′er.. (you as the common you)
almost same thought
May 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
today is frank gore’s 25th B-day. hope he goes out, ties one on and forgets who he is supposed to suit up for yet again this season.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Raider O…
yeah I like to argue… in this case I just felt I had answered the question before it was asked, and when I asked for the question again, I got a “you know the question” or “you dont want to answer”
Then I gotta argue! =)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Jerry must have taken the day off.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
ok so we went from politcs basketball football religion haha so thats what a lil hot weather does to raider fans
May 14th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“and forgets who he is supposed to suit up for yet again this season.”
What!? did he do that or what?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
JLH is nearly a lock, he´s not only a PR-KR, but also a potentially explosive WR, with deep speed and very good RAC skills.
Do you guys have any idea how many notable WR´s struggled during their rookie year and even up to their 2nd season as Pro´s?.
Developing a WR requires patience, everybody knows this. You don´t give up on a 3rd round WR because he struggled as a rookie, it´s almost a given tha he will (struggle).
May 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
He went from a top back in the NFC to irrelivant in 1 season. The pulled the Shaun Alexander move.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
LMN, most of us here like to argue.:)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
#920
LOL, yeah, usually it turns in to dogfight, somebody that usually gets on, gets to each others throat…
like a week before the draft or before preseason =)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
LMN — There, you’ve finally painted the true portrait of who you are…you have resorted to saying I said things I didn’t. This is a common ploy in here to change direction, but it won’t work.
Never did I post anything about any mantra, no “rule #1
cheat” — I stated nothing of the sort, never even hinted at it. If you think other people in here can’t see your attempt at back-stroking, you’re sadly mistaken.
You need to go to bed LMN — you’re throwing out terrible statements, not backed by any fact (no player from the 60’s could play in today’s league!?).
I’m sorry I spent so much time on you, but you did get me going. Unfortunately, it wasn’t as intellectually stimulating as I thought it would be.
Mike Ditka, Roger Staubach, Joe Namath, the list of 60’s players who would be just fine in today’s league goes on-and-on…
May 14th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Bob,
I wasn’t saying that I give up on him. I was using him as an example. McFoy, Buchannon and JLH all have to prove they deserve a spot on this team. I don’t see him a the same type of threat you do, but that is my opinion.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
*Pros..
May 14th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
951…
I thought he as player in Miami went to the wrong locker room or something =)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
http://samablog.robsama.com/images/ksatat.jpg
May 14th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I love google, lol
May 14th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Marley — 100% right. Most great WR’s don’t start out in the Pro Bowl. JLH might just be the real-deal, and I hope he is.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
JLH is short, 2 of the UDFA’s are both over 6′, the 2 drafted are 6′1 and 6′4 respectively. Both are just as fast if not faster then JLH. He has to earn his keep this season.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
JLH had the same kind of rookie season Ronald Curry had. It’s not likely, but he could improve as much as RC did. I sure hope so.
Phil Buchanon was a first class athlete with a third rate brain. Why they didn’t duct tape his helmet on his head is beyond me.
If I was the special teams coach I would have assigned one player to tackle PB after any touchdown and drag him off the field before he could draw a penalty.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
LMN-
That would be funny as hell@!
May 14th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
This is a damned RAIDERS BLOG ONLY! Quit talking politics, life, jokes, religion or anything else not related to THE OAKLAND RAIDERS!
So much for freedom of speech…
May 14th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
HayesDaze…
Sorry you got me wrong, I didn’t mean you’ve said that.. it was meant as common you
“Never did I post anything about any mantra, no “rule #1
cheat” — I stated nothing of the sort, never even hinted at it. If you think other people in here can’t see your attempt at back-stroking, you’re sadly mistaken.”
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The raiders had that as a mantra in 70’s, thats why I find it okay that the patsy’s cheated
May 14th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Had Woodson not been here I think PB would have turned out better. I think he was trying to compete too much with CW. The kid had tons of talent and potential and threw it away. What did he do in Houston? Nothing that I remember.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
I hope Spires skills aren’t receding at the same rate as his hairline…if so he’ll be cut before training camp.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Go Raiders!
Dakota said:
Thanks Kirk. Man, it would be a lot easier to live life if that is what you believed in…no repercussions for your actions. Do whatever you want in life and get do-overs until you get it right! Nice. Convenient too.
—Sorry, I had to drive home.
It just makes sense for me.
I look at it more of if you have been here before MANY times you have probably been born both genders(why is sexism apart of your life then?)
many races (why be prejudice?)
lived in many countries (whatttaa you got against France? or say.the Danish?)
been poor and rich(why not give if you got plenty?)
It would explain phobias
genius
the gifted
deja vu
“no repercussions for your actions” No, that’s called karma which explains why you are that way you are because you carry your past lives baggage. Which would explain
Phobias, bad relationships, bad choices, some people, the Midas touch, scapegoats, self loathing, self destruction, etc.
What I’ll bet YOU Dakota would like is you have no one but yourself to blame for advancement, you evolve up the chain of command like Scientology levels but instead of taking all your money it take all of you.
Dakota: Do whatever you want in life and get do-overs until you get it right! Nice. Convenient too.
No, in the eighties the Chinese had a problem with teenagers committing suicide by the dozens because this life wasn’t good enuff & the wanted a reset. Anyone who investigates Karma & reincarnation will see that you want to be a better person just because you want a better life here & the next,for everyone. There are people who believe that infant deaths & early childhood deaths are suicides that need to finish off the last life. Ever been some place you’ve never been before & felt you knew it intimately? No abor ti on i ss ue s
Sorry to the rest who don’t want to hear it.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
LMN-
There is a huge difference between wraping your fingers in the same color tape as your opponents jersey so you can get away with holds, and steeling complete defensive play calling, situational schemes, etc. like the cheatriots did. Imagine how many SB wins the Raiders would have one with Gannon had we not been one of their victims.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Hayesdaze
no I cant go to bed, gotta work, I gotta monitor 72 screen for 3 hours, so I got all the time in the world now, to elaborate… my blunt remarks early in this debate was perhaps due to that I was occupied by something important
May 14th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I hate to say it Quag, but D. Hall = Phillip Buchanon…lots of int’s, but gets burned a lot!
I hope I am wrong about that, but I guess we will see.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Quag-
He and Al will be trolling the sidlines on matching walkers.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Dakota-
Hall should be good, he is the #2 CB covering the #2 WR. He has trouble with taller more athletic #1’s. With Nambi covering the go to guy, Hall should be stellar.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I’m hungry. For food and football.
Hope Kobe’s back isn’t the excuse for not winning their series — it would be great to see the Jazz jump-up and knock the Lakers out of it.
Chris Paul MVP!
Later!
May 14th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
what bout lester hayes and his stickem dat was classic stickem and a jerry curl he prolly coulda just used his jerry curl juice
May 14th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
951…
true. But if the the mantra of the franchise was to cheat, and that rule #2 was if you not cheating you’re not trying hard enough… then I still have no problem, besides its in the past we cant change it…
things like the tuck rule that piss me off, if it happened between Bills and the dolphins in a pre-season game I still would be pissed, because, the refs have no excuse, the got TV-pictures, and most modern sports-production and what is it 14 eyes…
May 14th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
TW, Kirk informed me of Karma:
Kirk Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Dakota, you missed the point.
Everything you do comes back to you, in this life or the next. You can’t run away from what you have created. It’s called karma.
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Oh…well that sucks. But it is good to see that they have some checks and balances in their belief system.
So, since my life is pretty good thus far, it means I have been a pretty good person in the past?…or maybe that is why I chose to be a Cubs fan…Karma is punishing me for something I did in the past?…I will have to read up on this stuff. Sounds interesting. Should I start with Karma-sutra? Heard that was a good book.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
951…got it.
I think the fact that JLH is shorter at 5′11 is not very important, we already have 3 huge WR´s in Walker (6′3 215), Curry (6′2 210) and Carter (6′3 200).
To me, Walker, Curry, Carter and JLH are locks and the 5th WR spot should go to Arman Shields.
I´m hoping Reece makes it as well, but as the 3rd TE/HB-FB-WR utility guy taking Madsen´s spot.
McFoy, Buchannon, Schilens and Watkins will probably be locked in a fierce battle for a spot on the Practice Squad. IMO.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
TW, The Karma-sutra thing was a joke…just FYI.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
karma karma karma is dat why the old school chinnese emperors had 30 wifes?!?!? he musta killed sum 30 evol man in past lives and took there next lives wifes or sumtim
May 14th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Dakota…
what I fear the most, is Hall losing his head, that 65yd penalty, thats ONE 65yd penalty, he got last year really worries me
May 14th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
JLH needs to play with more confidence this year and be more aggresive and less un-decisive on KR.
He needs to run North and South, see a hole, make a cut and be gone…..As a WR he needs work hard and concentrate on running solid routes and catching the football first.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
LMN,
As long as Rob Ryan gives D. Hall a stroking once in a while, and as long as Kiffin lets D. Hall biotch-slap him once in a while on the sideline, and as long as Al Davis lets D. Hall park in his handicap spot and take his golf cart to practice, D. Hall should be fine.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
There will be no Nnamdi vs the opposing #1 and Hall vs the #2. Nnamdi plays RCB all the time and now Hall will play LCB.
They will be matched up with whoever lines up on their side.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
What we all fear in here is Al Davis’ Karma.hahahaha
May 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Bob,
I can see it playing out that way. I am just not sure with Walkers knee if it would be a good idea to let a good WR go. I realize the other WR’s are tall, but the young guys are cheaper. If they are close in talent I can see that playing a big part in weather or not they make the roster. With all the money out this off season, they have got to get deals where they can. I hope JLH comes in and blows the coaching staff away……That takes one more ???? away from this team.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
haha “i just want whats coming to me” “whats dat” “Da World…..and everything in it”
May 14th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Bob Marley…
I like Madsen,but I hope Reece could beat him out, because that means our team gets better…
During last season I cried for tall receivers, now we got them, and If JLH turns out as a great PR then its fantastic, I think he could be a spot receiver down the line.
I really hope Schillens gets a spot but Shields looks like he could be this years Michel Bush, I mean without the injury he would have been taken higher, so perhaps a steal
the rest you mentioned, would be great to have them on our scout team…
btw do you remember, is it 8 or 12 players the scout team has?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Dakota….
Muahahaha good one, good stuff
May 14th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
LMN-
Got this off of Wiki:
Each NFL team may keep up to eight members on their “practice squad” in addition to their 53-member main roster. They consist mostly of rookies who were cut in training camps and borderline NFL-caliber players. Both rookies and young veterans are eligible for the practice squad. However, a player cannot participate on the practice squad for more than three seasons. Practice squad players practice alongside regular roster players during the week; however they are not allowed to play in actual games. They are paid considerably less than active squad players (minimum salary is $5200 per week (2008-2010)[1] for 17 weeks, or $88,400 per season, in comparison to the NFL minimum rookie salary of $285,000). They are also ineligible for many fringe benefits such as service time, pensions, and the like. They hope to be promoted to the active roster either by their current team, or by another team who is scouting them. They retain free agent status and may sign with any team they wish without compensation to the original team.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
chukwu and morant should remian on the practice squad at the very least.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Post 892 – RaiderNation951 – “Phillip Buccannon was the last good PR/KR the Raiders had on the roster. It should be a very interestins camp this year as far as special teams goes”.
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This is an interesting statement (to me) and I feel the same way. It seems like we’ve brought in guys that fit the Special Teams mold. Sure, they’re typical athletic, Raider-style, acquisitions, but we seem to be adding ST’ers as opposed to players to compete for starting roles. Also, we have picked up players with multiple position experience which is an indication they are being looked at for ST’s. For example, Tyvon Branch (S/CB/KR), Marcel Reese (HB/WR/TE), Malik Jackson (LB, but too small for SLB, but fast enough for ST’s), Derrick Gray (DE, fast and built like a tweener), Shane Simmons (LB, fast and productive tackler who certainly will not take snaps away from the FIRM), Darrell Strong (TE, Big and Fast).
Point is, most of the players mentioned above do not appear to be threats to any starting position on the team and appear to be Special Team types that can add depth at multiple positions thus reducing roster spots.
I think it’s clear that Special Teams is a priority and it will be intersting who sticks around after cuts. I suspect we will see more “Jarrod Cooper’s” and less “Sam Williams’” on this years roster.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Two dear old friends, Abner and Fred, had many conversations through their life about death and what they thought Heaven would be like. They made an agreement that whichever of them died first would make every effort to make contact with the one that was still living and tell them what Heaven was like.
Well, Fred was the first to pass away and about a year later, Abner was truly missing his dear friend. One day, when he was once more immersed in grief, the phone rang…and when he answered it, he heard a familiar voice on the line.
Abner said:
“Fred, is that you?”
“Yes it is my old friend, yes it is.”
Abner was overjoyed, and said:
“So, tell me dear friend, what is it like where you are?”
Fred said:
“This is wonderful. You wouldn’t believe what I am experiencing now. The most plentiful food and lushest fields you have ever seen, I sleep in late, have a long luxurious breakfast, and then I go and make love.
If it’s a nice day I go out in the fields and make love some more. I come in and have a long lunch, then I go out into the fields again and make love all afternoon and retire early in the evening.”
Abner responded:
“Heaven sounds so amazing!”
Fred immediately replied:
Heaven? Who said anything about heaven? I’m a rabbit in Minnesota!”
May 14th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Two priests died at the same time and met Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates. St. Peter said, “I’d like to get you guys in now, but our computer is down. You’ll have to go back to Earth for about a week, but you can’t go back as priests. So what else would you like to be?” The first priest says, “I’ve always wanted to be an eagle, soaring above the Rocky Mountains.” “So be it,” says St. Peter, and off flies the first priest. The second priest mulls this over for a moment and asks, “Will any of this week ‘count’, St. Peter ?”
“No, I told you the computer’s down. There’s no way we can keep track of what you’re doing.”
“In that case,” says the second priest, “I’ve always wanted to be a stud.”
“So be it” says St. Peter, and the second priest disappears. A week goes by, the computer is fixed, and the Lord tells St. Peter to recall the two priests. “Will you have any trouble locating them?” He asks. “The first one should be easy,” says St. Peter. “He’s somewhere over the Rockies, flying with the eagles. But the second one could prove to be more difficult.” “Why?” asketh the Lord. “He’s on a snow tire, somewhere in North Dakota.”
May 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
RN951 – I think you’re right about JLH. He’s got some competition for that last (or second -to-last) wide receiver spot. I have to admit that I’m intrigued about Will Buchannon’s prospects. Two years ago he was stunning everybody in pre-season only to get cut. Michael Huff was blown away by his talent and remarked that he was stunned that he didn’t make it onto the field for the U.S.C.-Texas National championship game. Last year he was brought into camp only to get released again. He has 4.3 speed from what I remember and is about 6′3″, but hasn’t played wide receiver for very long since Pete Carroll used him at different positions throughout his collegiate career. I think it’s painfully obvious that in Buchannon’s case as with thousands of other talented but inexperienced players, that the N.F.L. needs desperately to start some type of minor leagues. The Arena leagues and the C.F.L. and the old N.F.L. Europe just don’t cut it. Players need a place to develop their skill and get some type of compensation for it, so that they can develop into regular N.F.L. players. I also think minor league games would be cool to watch on a Wednesday or Thursday night.
Also, I pretty much agree with your assessment of Texas stadium. The Cowboys are basically lame. They used to be a complete abomination when Landry was coaching them. They just reeked of self-righteousness and marketing propaganda. They’re definitely a spiritually lower order life form.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
951…
that was the easy way to do it, I wonder why I din’t just do that =)
so its 8… thanks lets hope I never forget it again. Somebody last night thought it was 25, cant remember who, but I was pretty sure it was either 8 or 12 and no-one didn’t clarified it at the time…
I think there recently have been talks about enhancing both the 53man roster and the scout team, it might be from there I got the 12 guys from =)
but thanks bro’
May 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Assassin-
I agree. It looks like they are trying to fix the problems with ST that popped up last season. Lechler (sp) giving up not 1 but 2 kick returns for TD for the first time in his carreer. I can see him in Kif’s office raising hell over that one.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
LMN-
I thought it was 25. That is why I wiki’d it.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Wow—- Erin Andrews is smokin hot, on bspn, doing a baseball report. holy moly. Way better lookin than that goth chick,
May 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Nice post 951, but if Kiffin is taking crap from a Punter, that he allows to play golf while everyone else is practicing, would be lame. On the other hand, Lechler is one of the best players we have so maybe he does have enough clout to complain to the HC
May 14th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
A lower league for guys that don’t make it would be awesome! Especially if they did it from say Feb-May. That gives teams a chance to see these guys develope, give them time off before the regular season, see them in action prior to the draft, etc. Plus, That gives us more football to follow without having to go Arena.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
approaching magical # 1000…time for a new thread?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
If Guy never makes it into the HOF the Shane doesn’t have a prayer. He IMO deserves it. His punting is incredible and other kickers have changed their style to mirror what he does. I know he took his style from someone else but that is irrelevant.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Dakota, what kinda D did they run in ATL? D. Hall might be better suited to the man coverage we run, where he is able to stay in the hip pocket of the receiver and utilize his speed.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
RN951
Great, then we both got wiser and it didn’t cost us anything… this is what I like about this blog… its sharing of knowledge and views
May 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
He may have took someone’s style but he can execute on gameday. You’re right, if a punter is going to make it to the HOF, it will be him.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Besides, if Kif didn’t listen to Shane, he would kick him in the nuts. Then Kif’s hot wife would kill our punter and our cycle starts all over again with D. Green for 1 year, then some other smuck (lofton) for a year or two, then a 29 year old assistant High School coach with big ideas.
Kiff better listen to Shane or I’m going to loose it.
lol
May 14th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Sorry, for #971, off topic(s) of the day. But dammit, still had to be said..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Quagmire’d – You’re exactly right. A man-to-man D is perfect for hall. He’s got good size, physical, fast, good tackler, and great ball skills, these are the attributes generally recognized by scouting departments when looking for a man corner. I’ll try and find his collegiate scouting report.
I can see him excelling in this Defense, especially with improved Safety play and QB pressure via more guys in the box.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
909-
You want talk about off topic, look up the thread a couple hundred posts. You were ok with the post, just sorry I missed her…it.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
979…pretty funny.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
The Boston Herald printed an appoligy on the Front and Back page of its paper about the Patsies recording the Rams walk-through. Chumps!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
whats is this about lechler pissed about kiffin playng golf, gotta a link?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Just read on KFFL.com different tidbits about OTA’s. Positive news re: Schilens and Shields. Branch working at SS and KR. Courtesy of Steve Corkran.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
giggidy, giggidy, giggidy, goooo, all right!
Sorry, couldn’t resist. I blame the pain meds.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Quick, gimme some! What r u takin?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
909
Post 971…
no need to apologies, I googled her, you just made my day better, thanks bro
May 14th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
How do you post links in here? I keeep trying and they don’t come through.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
951…It has been rather catty in here. Thought I was reading a transcript from the “View”
May 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
lol…….Think god Rosies a$$ wasn’t here!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
she is hot
May 14th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
RN951
regarding urls, I think the mods put a filter up, I cant post ilnks either, I posted the entire text instead
May 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Not Rosie…Erin Andrews…just to be clear.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
LMN – It was a general statement with no fact supporting it. I was just making a pun based on Kiffin’s comments last off-season when a reporter asked how Jano and Lechler were doing and Kiffin responded with “They’re working on their golf game”. I then used that as part of my response to RN951 in reply to post #969.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
LMN… Most welcome..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I found an awesome You Tube for true Nation Fans. Go to you tube and insert Raiders + Sparta. Its 4:37 of awesome Raiders Football!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
How are you doing that Dakota?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Erin Anderson! Hope this makes post #1000 because she deserves it.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Riverside Raiders Fan Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
None of you have asked, but I thought I would offer my opinion on teams learning to play with each other. Players learning their positions and responsibilities and adapting to others around them.
I believe the learning curve starts at the top.
1. coaches (obviously they have the most to learn, in addition to the teaching of players and evaluating their strenght and position on the depth charts.
2. QB (JaMarcus Russell and his back up hold the key)
We know that JR has all the tools to excell in the NFL, he can fire a rocket and he can launch a missle 80 yards if need be. If he can learn the reads and adapt to pending blitzs and if he can avoid the interceptions and fumbles…we’ll do great, but, obviously, he’s the key to our offense.
3. Wide Receivers: They need to get open period, they need to learn their routes and creat separation. They need to hold on to the freaking rocket launched at them. They need to find the open area, even if it means running back towards the QB or breaking it out to an open area. They do have one advantage. If they can get freaking open and JR sees them and has the time to throw…hey, the rocket or missle is going to get there…that’s for damm sure.
4. Line Backers: They have to make the fasts reads and adjustments, be it covering their gap responsibility, dropping back in pass coverage and freaking making their tackles. (we missed to many tackles last years and many of those misses led to long runs.)
5. All others positions, more or less. OT probably a little more than OG, CB a little more than S, etcs.
NOW, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID. I PERSONNALLY DON’T THINK THAT IT TAKES TWO AND THREE YEARS TO BUILD A SYSTEM AND TO LEARN TO PLAY WITH EACH OTHER. Other than our QB (Jamar-baby), I don’t believe it takes
that long. Most of these players, if not all, have played 3 or 4 years of high school football, add 3 or 4 years of college football. By the time they hit the NFL, they either have it or they don’t. They have to learn the playbook. So what, what’s the big deal. They basically need to learn their responsibilities and blend into the system. With their years of experience, with coaches helping them, along with vetran players and their desire to make the team and the big bucks, they’re going to do it. We see if year after year, where a team went 3-13 or 4-12 or 6-10 and they completely turn it around the next year. THEY MAKE A HUGE LEAP FORWARD. SAME WITH THE RAIDERS, WE DON’T NEED THREE YEARS TO BUILD AND LEARN AND PICK UP ANOTHER DRAFTEE HERE AND THERE…NO, WE’RE READY AND WE’RE GOING TO MAKE THAT GIANT LEAP THIS YEAR… 11-5
OR BETTER…PROBABLY BETTER. GO RAIDERS.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
DAMN! Missed it by one
May 14th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
951,
It is a good video, but Rob Ryan’s little part ruins it for me.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Erin Andrews, right?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
TCMA
thanks, for clarifying the lechler thing for me, I got the joke part, i just thought there was some basis behind it…because it sounded pretty valid =)
May 14th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
LMN… #1005, you are correct.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Wonders why it takes only a second to say hello and forever to say goodbye!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Dakota, loved the words of wisdom…great stories…
May 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
D. Bowe in KC had a decent rookie season and JLH stunk, so if one of these young WR’s can beat him out then great. Hall can return punts and/or maybe one of these new WR’s. New guys if as good as any of the elders means less $$ so we can p/u a DT or LB after 06/01.
Post 955 – LOL
May 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Video of McFadden right after the draft…Howie even makes a cameo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX89GoDuo1Y
May 14th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Yeah, but seeing bo blow up Bozworth makes up for Ryan’s little part. I miss the old school, hit in the mouth, step on their back as you run over people. I think Bush and DMC can bring that back.
I know I didn’t want to waist a pick on DMC, but damn it he is a Raider and I deal with it and support him.
I just can’t wait to make the trip to Oakland to see the Battle of the Bay with the whiners.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Hey Moderator…
We want Equality, I can accept not posting urls if all lives by this. I would prefer we could write country names, and post urls it would make it much easier… you about to lose all your “fanbase” get registration and let us live free =)
May 14th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Riverside Fan…. nice post.. 1a} Should be TACKLE the guy with the ball. That must improve dramatically, if we are to be any better than 8-8.imo.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I got film to watch and gameplans to workout for the season…so here’s all I have for you boys today. Its called RED MARBLES!
Remember to keep it gangster, and hug Kiffin for me when you see him, he’s gonna need it!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Riverside,
Learning the playbook is no big deal???? Have you seen one of those NFL playbooks. They are huge. I think that is why a lot of teams play better year 2 and 3 under a new coach. It takes time to learn your assignments and to be able to react without thinking.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
RED MARBLES
I was at the corner grocery store buying some early potatoes. I noticed a small boy, delicate of bone and feature, ragged but clean, hungrily appraising a basket of freshly picked green peas.
I paid for my potatoes but was also drawn to the display of fresh green peas. I am a pushover for creamed peas and new potatoes.
Pondering the peas, I couldn’t help overhearing the conversation between Mr. Miller (the store owner) and the ragged boy next to me.
‘Hello Barry, how are you today?’
‘Hello, Mr. Miller. Fine, thank ya. Jus’ admirin’ them peas. They sure look good.
‘
‘They are good, Barry.
How’s your Ma?’
‘Fine. Gittin’ stronger alla’ time.
‘
‘Good.
Anything I can help you with?’
‘No, Sir. Jus’ admirin’ them peas.
‘
‘Would you like to take some home?’ asked Mr. Miller.
‘No, Sir. Got nuthin’ to pay for ‘em with.
‘
‘Well, what have you to trade me for some of those peas?’
‘All I got’s my prize marble here.
‘
‘Is that right? Let me see it’ said Miller.
‘Here ’tis. She’s a dandy.
‘
‘I can see that. Hmmmmm, only thing is this one is blue and I sort of go for red. Do you have a red one like this at home?’ the store owner asked.
‘Not zackley but almost.
‘
‘Tell you what. Take this sack of peas home with you and next trip this way let me look at that red marble’ Mr. Miller told the boy.
‘Sure will. Thanks Mr. Miller.
‘
Mrs. Miller, who had been standing nearby, came over to help me.
With a smile she said, ‘There are two other boys like him in our community,
all three are in very poor circumstances. Jim just loves to bargain with them for peas, apples, tomatoes, or whatever. When they come back with their red marbles, and they always do, he decides he doesn’t like red after all and he sends them home with a bag of produce for a green marble or an orange one, when they come on their next trip to the store.
‘
I left the store smiling to myself, impressed with this man. A short time later I moved to Colorado, but I never forgot the story of this man, the boys, and their bartering for marbles.
Several years went by, each more rapid than the previous one. Just recently I had occasion to visit some old friends in that Idaho community and while I was there learned that Mr. Miller had died. They were having his visitation that evening and knowing my friends wanted to go, I agreed to accompany them. Upon arrival at the mortuary, w e fell into line to meet the relatives of the deceased and to offer whatever words of comfort we could.
Ahead of us in line were three young men. One was in an army uniform and the other two wore nice haircuts, dark suits and white shirts…all very professional looking. They approached Mrs. Miller, standing composed and smiling by her husband’s casket. Each of the young men hugged her, kissed her on the cheek, spoke briefly with her and moved on to the casket.
Her misty light blue eyes followed them as, one by one, each young man stopped briefly and placed his own warm hand over the cold pale hand in the casket. Each left the mortuary awkwardly, wiping his eyes.
Our turn came to meet Mrs. Miller. I told her who I was and reminded her of the story from those many years ago and what she had told me about her husband’s bartering for marbles.
With her eyes glistening,
she took my hand and led me to the casket.
‘Those three young men who just left were th e boys I told you about.
They just told me how they appreciated the things Jim ‘traded’ them.
Now, at last, when Jim could not change his mind about color or size….they came to pay their debt.
‘
‘We’ve never had a great deal of the wealth of this world,’ she confided, ‘but right now, Jim would consider himself the richest man in Idaho .
‘
With loving gentleness she lifted the lifeless fingers of her deceased husband. Resting underneath were three exquisitely shined red marbles.
The Moral: We will not be remembered by our words, but by our kind deeds. Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath.
Today I wish you a day of ordinary miracles ~ A fresh pot of coffee you didn’t make yourself… An unexpected phone call from an old friend…
Green traffic signals on your way to work… The fastest line at the grocery store… A good sing-along song on the radio… Your keys found right where you left them.
IT’S NOT WHAT YOU GATHER, BUT WHAT YOU SCATTER THAT TELLS WHAT KIND OF LIFE YOU HAVE LIVED
May 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I would like us to take a look at Kenny wright
browns released him
May 14th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
One
May 14th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The playbooks are large, but they are all the same. Just different names for the same thing. Football has been here for a very long time. They haven’t created too many new plays, just different ways to do it…
May 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
LMN-I logged out b4 seeing yer post last night…wasn’t trying to ignore….es tut mir leid brother! Off to get coffee now…looks like some idiot stoked the political fireworks in here last night…moron…what’s wrong with being a drunk hillilly??? He seemed to think it was an insult…hell with that, it takes long hours of dedication, drinking and ignoring the tax collecter….OUT.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Dakota: I didn’t know you were a laker fan. Too bad you guys won’t be around for a Celtic *** whipping!
KG: Take over brother!!!!!!
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Playbook are not all the same. Well, I guess they are up to this point, but they’re about to change!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
The league uses words and ideas for formations and number for routes,
its completely backwards, they should use numbers for formations and letters for routes…
Much better concept, easier to visualize….
But I can’t digress too much info on here….
Ha ha
May 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
a 16 yo kid was just charged with killing Washington S Sean Taylor.
Keeps getting better and better. These kids need better role models.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
BUt yeah, if any of ya’ll see Kiffin, give him a big hug for me….
May 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I’m thinking about buying oak-kc tickets for sep 14th. I’ve been on line the last two nights… thinking if i should pull the trigger. I hate KC! I may have to do it. Anyone live in the area? Anyone to tailgate with?
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I hope your right C.E.! It’s been rough being a Raider fan in KC, going to Arrowhead to watch them lose-except I don’t go last year and they win, go figure…
May 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Dakota #623 wasnt me I was long gone @ 1043am
# Dakota Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Mista…remember, you are a Raiders’ fan; no one blames officials more than Raiders’ fans…pot calling the kettle black my friend.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I’m thinking about coming up for the home opener. I may hit Chokers game in week 4 also.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
These kids need something to do. We were playing sports all day and into the night (when not in school). The weather dictated the sport. We were watched by everyone’s parents. It didn’t matter who you belonged to.. if you mouthed off or did something any parent on the street could discipline you and even worse TELL YOUR DAD! Everyone is isolated now. Bring family back….
I’m done preaching.. should i pull the trigger on the Chicks? (chiefs)
May 14th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Go for it CT. It will help easy your pain of the Celtic’s not beating the Cav’s.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Jim – Yes, very good tailgate (BBQ galore) and the fans are not too bad. My ticket sources have dried up being the home opener for KC, but I have contacted the team ticket office and they said single game tickets will be available towards the end of July (cheaper than ticketmaster, etc). Just check the Chiefs’ website for the # to order tickets.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
1028: kc raider: are you going 9-14?
I’m going out to have a few beers, watch the “C”s destroy James and crew then come back and purchase some tickets!
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
RaiderKC: I’ll wait. If you want i can get an extra one!
Speaking of complaining about officials… there is one with jet black hair doing the celts/cavs game and I wish he’d just ask James for a date or get an autograph or something so he can get back to officiating! I swear the guy is in love w/him.
Peace: I’ll be in a better mood shortly! Cassell great p/u. BY the way, which college team currently has the most players in the NBA?
UCONN BABY!
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
CT, CT, CT,
This is going to be a rough night for you bud. Buy the tickets so you have something “Real” to hold onto.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
ct rairder… Go for it, you have plenty of time, to find members of the NATION to tailgate with.
Try theraidernation.com ,there is a link for Raider booster clubs. Should be one in the K.C. area.
The NATION lives everywhere.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
That’s my plan, I passed on them last year (Thanksgiving), but got to this year! I have one source left that may get me behind KC’s bench, 5 rows up. They haven’t mailed out season tickets yet, so still waiting. I went to Royals game Mother’s Day and two stadiums are under construction. They were built way ahead of their time, but all that stupid county (Jackson Co, MO owns the stadiums) could vote on was to patch it up. Still a good stadium, but come on pay hundreds of millions for cosmetics and not even vote yes on a rolling roof. Passed on a potential SB and Final 4-Idiots!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
CT,
you only have 7 minutes left to get the tickets before tip off. Do it before you put something through your T.V. tonight when Pierce goes 0-fer again and Garnett foul’s out early. Home team aint winning tonight! Unless they are in LA.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
What time are OTA’s supposed to finish up today? Anybody?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
951 I’M GOING OUT. If we lose… it’s not my tv!
also, we’re 0-4 when i go to this bar! i’m trying to kill the jinx!
peace.. tip off not until 7:15 central.
CT RAIDER I used to like james… now i think he’s a B@#$ until the series is over then i’ll like him again…. kind of like magic in the 80s
May 14th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
i’m out. see you in 3 hours.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Not a peep from HQ until tommorrow, uh Jerry?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
** ct raider** Sorry for the mis-spell. Good luck w/ getting your tix.
There is ice COLD beer w/ my name on them, am going to rescue them from their icy plight.
Later, take care all..
Just Win Baby!!
May 14th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
p.s…. GO LAKERS!!!!! out…
May 14th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I guess its time to say farwell also.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
bye
May 14th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Vegas’s over/under on us is 6 games. Take the over
May 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Nice story coach,I would have thrown those Chief marbles away and replaced them with silver/black ones
May 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Raider Tay, post 116:
It’s not neccessarily true. You’re looking at the whole picture. Individually, each player has his own basic requirements and things he has to do. The LG doesn’t need to know the responsibilities of the TE, etc. JR has the most to learn but he’s had a year to master and absorb. And, during practices and peseason they’re running the plays, over and over. Like I said, when you’ve been playing ball since high school and many before then…there is not that much more adaption to your position and requirements. A TE running a deep post or a simple square-out knows basically what to do…along with the slight adjustments and changes his coaches want.
No, everyone wants to make it bigger than what it is.
And, like I said, how do we explain the big jumps that some teams have made from one season to the next. Personal upgrades, coaching upgrades, easier schedule and probably some real studs, like our JR, JF, MB, DM,
ZM, DH, etc., etc.
No, it’s not going to take us a couple years. This is it baby, we’re just going to win. Keep Al baby happy.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Raider Ray, correction…post 1016
May 14th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
RRF…
your email shows up in your nick…
May 14th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
“Studs, Freaks & Steals”
I’m in, I’m in, I’m in yada yada yada!
May 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
The latest Raider news is that we signed Greg Spires and Marcel Reece, and you guys are wondering why people are talking politics?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Cool story Elkins, thanks!
What up Nation?
I guess that’s about all I’ve got for today.
Go Lakers!!!
May 14th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Watched “10 things that changed the game” on the NFL network today. Segment on Paul Brown talked about how he was the first to bring in a lot of black players. Yet, Davis worshippers will tell you that Davis was the first. Just another thing the Davis camp tries to steal credit for.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Paul Brown was older than Davis. But if you try to use this issue to smear Mr Davis, I will have to counter. Because that’s a darmmed lie.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
More reviewing:
Someone said that I need to watch the History of the Raiders DVD.
Own it. Love it. Al Davis was a great owner at one time. That’s why he should have retired 5 years ago, so he would be remembered for his good years. Instead, he’s destined to be remembered for being one of the cagiest owners in sports history, who’s dysfunctional personality ruined the once great Oakland Raiders.
The same person suggested I watch Zietgeist. Watched it. Being an agnostic who’s read several books on the hypocrisy of organized religion, I have to say, nothing in Zietgeist was new to me. But a great film, nonetheless.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Nooooo
My replacement is late, thought I was going home but instead it added a full hour, well the pay just got way better =)
May 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I have been a Raiders fan since 1970 and I have never once heard Al Davis or the Raiders take credit for being the first team to bring in a lot of black players. I have heard him take credit for hiring the first black head coach. (Art Shell) I have also heard him take credit for being the first to hire a woman to a high front office possition, (Amy Trask) but I have never heard him claiming to be the first to hire a lot of black players, which would have been rediculous since NFL teams had hired a lot of black players before The AFL or the Raiders existed. Do you just make this stuff up because you can’t resist the opportunity to run somebody down?
May 14th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I second that…
and never had segregated rooms…first to use films the way we do today, first to use mobile x-ray units… and mush more… but I have never heard them say the first to add black players…
May 14th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
i think it was the KC Chiefs who was the first to have a team in which a majority of the players were black…
the Raiders were not far behind….
May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Those KC Chiefs were tough as a motha. I tell ya. Bobby Bell Willie Lanier, Curly Culp, etc. They were Badazzes. That who the Raiders cut their teeth on.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Florida Pete…
Caroline Woszniacki is going to meet sharapova next in rome… fyi =)
May 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
dammit… and she promised me…
oh, well…
May 14th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Basketball sucks and I hope your team loses.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
most teams back then, (before the 70’s) would draft black players, then (if they weren’t a halfback) have them all compete for the same defensive backfield positions… thus eliminating each other…
KC… had open competition… and fielded very good teams year after year…
finally, the rest of the league caught on and allowed fair competition…
May 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
1067 or 1068 . lame
May 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Ned Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
1067 or 1068 . lame
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May 14th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
post #1067
isnt lame, thats is partly why I dont’ take the 60’s football serious…
the 60’s was full of great black QB that was converted to DB’s… “for God no with a black QB the world would come to an end”
May 14th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Coach El, are you here?
May 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
This day got way longer than it should have been
Im outta here or as Homer would say “So long, Suckers!” =)
May 14th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
yeeeeaaaahhhh booooyyyeeeeeeee
May 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
true dat
May 14th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Kobe is a baller though, y’all shood watch your mouth yo
May 14th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
It’s like that huh?
Big tough guy, you best chill homie
May 14th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I’m out before I say something stupid.
Young Gun will get yours homie
May 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
good call ref
May 14th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
where is 951????? how bout those “C”s!
The rumor about Lamar Odom is and i’m not making this up:
The rumor is he was going to Providence but showed up at the wrong school (U Rhode Island) and they gave him a scholarship. The Rumor is the URI coaches were shocked and went out of their way to basically say, yes we recruited you and made him feel at home. Obviously, URI had no chance at getting him and he was on his way to Providence. I don’t know if it’s true but that’s funny!
I lost a lot of respect for james this series. He can’t shoot at all. I’m disappointed the Cs LET him drive in the first half. It’s the playoffs… they should have knocked him into the 4th row instead of let him get uncontested lay ups! If it’s more than 3 feet away and he can’t used the board.. he’s not going to hit that shot! Another reason to foul him is he is worse than Shaq! He also wines like a Tom Brady bitch! Them two should have flags on and sit in the corner in their lingerie!
CT RAIDER
I’m listening to Raider KC to get my tickets. But it’s going to happen. Raider KC… i’ll see you tailgating!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Nobody whines more than Kobe
May 14th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
except Dakota
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May 14th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
YG: I agree. You should have seen him Whining in court! hahahahahahhaha’
You should have seen him whine when he HAD to purchase his wife that big ass rock! haahhaha
He whines to the media… i wish Shaq just dropped him once!
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
YG: slick follow up. However, i was agreeing w/kobe comment.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Lamar Odom smoked some chronic and ended up at the wrong college? Why doesn’t that surprise me? Sounds like something Big Homie Chitlins would do
May 14th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Hey Jim
I was just re-iterating your point
May 14th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
“i wish Shaq just dropped him once!”
It’s not like Kobe didn’t have it coming. He sang so quick to the cops, what a little biotch! “I didn’t do anything but this guy Shaq does it all the time” SMACK!
May 14th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Kobe’s back is fine. Unles sthey lose, then it’s really bothering him.
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May 14th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
4th qtr he’ll be picked up 4x like Kellen winslow.
“My hero” (said in a women’s voice and southern accent battting eyelashes)
strike last comment. i said it too well.
i forgot he did sing. then he bitched about jackson, shaq, and then the entire team this year. That’s what happens when you hold in your “real desires” and use a wife as a cover.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I like you Jim
Keep bringing it bro
May 14th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Some politics you guys might like.
Sen. Arlen Spector is demanding a “Mitchell Report” type of independent investigation of the Pat’s cheating. Doesn’t trust the league’s handling of the incident.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/14/sports/s092952D89.DTL
May 14th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
You would think Philly has more important issues. He’s pissed because of the Eagles lost to NE. I hate NE and I was at the fumble but this is now taxpayer money. I don’t want to keep getting screwed! Once was enough. If Spector wants to be a sports commish then he should resign his position. And being a CT man he can take Lieberman and Shays with him!
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CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
I’m here to listen to you gloat CT. Good game man. I was all excited 2 minutes until the end of the first half. Freeking Cav’s choked. Too bad Boston can’t win a game on the road. 7 game series.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Now as long as the LakeShow take care of the sorry azz Jazz I’ll consider this a good night. 73-71 so far so good.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Post 849 said he’d like to see Chuckwu make the team. Did NYG cut George Chuckwu from Rice and OAK pick him up?
May 14th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
What’s up Nation, Basketball-It’s all about the RAIDERS. It’s about time the roster has been overhauled and the new culture in OAKLAND is depth and compete for playing time.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Come on Jerry……Why didn’t you give us the goods on today’s OTA’s?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
951.
1. James will never get those layups like he did today in game 6.
2. Celts learned (finally… they are a veteran team and should have learned earlier) that they can dominate w/a half court offense. 3rd quarter they played every possession like it mattered. They almost blew it in the 4th. They need to get their heads out.
They will blow out Cleveland in game 6! I promise. How about big baby!
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Jazz got a little taste of their own over the back medicine tonight, yeah baby.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Lakers Win…….poor young gun….Jazz fall yet again. 3-2 Lakers……yoooohooooo!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I thought Davis was going to break that little guy in half when he went over his back!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
951: do you think you’ll actually be able to meet us in the championship?
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
IF boston wins game 6 on the road I’ll be impressed. I doubt it will happen. Cav’s blew their chance tonight. It should be a good game regaurdless.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
I didn’t know big baby was that flexible. About time he got playing time. He’s ready. Rondo needs to keep his head in the game on defense all the time. He’ll give a couple three minute spurts but most of the time his guys are wide open! Watch him on the backside when cleveland swings he actually stops and watches the play while his players rotate. Then when he plays d he makes things happen. I don’t get it. Rivers and Garnett should be hanging him during days off.
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Good I hope so…..I miss the Glory days of the Lakeshow and Boston Green.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Cavs blew their chance in game 1. it was handed to them. Celts were dead tired from atlanta.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Jim,
Celtics, struggling out East against teams that would not even make the playoffs in the West, lol. Western Conference Championship is the NBA Championship.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
unfortunately, we don’t have the parque floor with the soft spots and we won’t be putting the heat up to the 90s to slow you down this time!
hahahahahhaha
May 14th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
The block Rondo put up was sweet!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I wouldn’t be suprised if it didn’t come out of storage just for Game 1. hahaha
May 14th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
I think its funny that people blame bush for our money issues when we didnt start going broke until the Dems were in the house… and when Bill was in charge the Reps were in house… the CINC has little to do w/ our countries money… everything is proposed
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
25-5 against the over rated west. That’s what they said to Miami and Detroit.
I remember in the 80s when there was only 1 nba team in the West! hahaha
east had philly, knicks, Atl, Det, Chic,
big bruisers and west had flags on their shorts. How dare they get touched.
West puts up nice numbers. especially the 5-25 against the celtics!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I mean.. he is just a 2cnd year RB
May 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
rondo block.. i almost spit my beer over the bar!
the big boys missed the block attempt and here comes rondo. He got up on that one.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
If the Celtics do make it to the finals, do you think they may let ONE African American fan into the arena? Man, those highlights from the 80s showed a sea of white people with bad hairdos…no wonder teams struggled; the opposing team was blinded by the white light!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
If sorry ass greedy bazzterds didn’t get greedy with home loans we would be just fine. Everywhere you look you see a effing forclosure.
Just like the Raiders are going to hang on the rest of the AFC West…….evection notices….being handed to Denver in Week 1, KC and SD to follow.
Like how I tied football in there don’t ya!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
KC Raider: I need to know any bad spots in the stadium (to stay away from).
I’m getting jacked for the game.. it sucks because i need to get to sleep!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Did you see tonights game Dakota……..nothings changed. hahahahaha. I loved the dork in the clown costume. Stupid idiot with clovers all over his black vest………I wouldnt wear something that dumb for all the free beer it would get me………well maybe then.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
my hairdo is changed! I shaved it! I look like Mr. Clean! haha
951: in every local newspaper there are literally pages of houses being auctioned.
My political opinion. I don’t think the govt works well w/businesses and development. 80s and 90s we should have changed our schools to meet our business’ needs. More engineering, more basic business strategies. WE teach the same damn subjects over and over even though the world is not even close to what it was. There should be 2nd languages taught in elementary school. I taught english to 2nd grade Japanese students in Japan. You have to compete w/the world. How many business work w/high schools??? or colleges working w/high schools to develop students prior to getting to college or technical fields or job market. There is a huge disconnect. Companies should be investing more in high schools and getting breaks from the govt by doing so.
That’s my opinion and you can write my name in as an independant.
CT RAIDER
May 14th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I have not watched a Celtics game since 1991…why bother? I’ll pay attention to them when they are done playing CBA teams out East. I will watch them if they play the Pistons, lol.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Are we discussing basketball?
Maybe I’ll just leave!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Topic: Warren Dapp’s issue with the Raiders
I want to know what you guys feel the difference is between the 4-3 and the 3-4 Defense and if you think a team can run both?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
oppps, Mr. Sapp! haha
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Dakota: I agree w/you. Celtic fans and celtic players have always enjoyed team ball not highlights. In the early 90s when the real big three left, the celtics p/u Dominique WIlkens and Pervis ellison. I was sooo pissed. these guys are espn and not celtics. since then we never got our stuff together. THis year is celtic ball led by garnett. passing, defense, i honestly don’t think these guys are all that bright but they have heart. they do stupid stuff at stupid times but they’ll dive for any ball. you can’t ask for much more than their hustle
May 14th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
CE: Did you throw a fit? I’m going to have to call you Kobe if you do that again.
I think we have the personnel to do both. i think we have the perfect mix of players and i would be willing to bet Dakota’s pay check that we do run both this year. I guarantee it or Dakota will pay you!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Do what again? You can bet the house whatever it was I’ll do it again…
Who is our nose in the 3-4 then? Can he 2 gap? Is he a guy who can do it all game if needed?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
CT- Do you guys have the “HighTech High schools” back there yet? MicroSoft has teamed up with several school districts in SoCal to offer basicly Tech Trade schools to high school students to get them interested in the field. It seems to work great. Stimulated students = higher GPA’s and less problems.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Jim,
For all of the winning the Celtics did back when there were 4 teams in the NBA, and the couple of titles in the 80’s they had their time, so I do not feel bad for them, but they did have some crap luck with Bias, Reggie Lewis and Larry’s back problems…what could have been??? Maybe Michael does not get his first three titles?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
You didn’t answer my question either….
Whats the difference, what are the advantages and disadvantages of each, enlighten me, I need to learn something today
May 14th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Say what? Don’t bet my money fool! You can bet my wife’s salary though, lol.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
We can’t play 3-4 all game. it would be in spots. maybe a few 1st downs.
It would have to be kelley or sands. Don’t have a choice. Theyr’e not an adams, ball, or any of the inmovable objects but they can blow up the lines in spots. Definitely not a whole game. it would be spotted.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
951. actually i never heard of that but that’s exactly what i’m talking about. but we need more engineers!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Michael gets whatever titles he earned, if Larry had a bad back then it was meant to be…proof by the fact that it ended the way it did!
Talking about what didn’t happen is a waste of everyone’s time…
“Even the man who has nothing has time”
May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
LB’s are not built to be true 3-4 LB’s. I wouldn’t trust Sands as a NT. Not 1 play let alone an entire game. RR isn’t a 3-4 coach. Hell he isn’t a 4-3 coach…..for that matter he shouldn’t be a effing coach!!!!!
sorry CE you hit a nerve.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Why would you want to utilize the 3-4 on first down? To try to entice a passing team to run perhaps?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
I can run all day on the 3-4? You just use 2 TE’s and outman the opponent on the LOS.
1st Down speaking of course!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
blitz, blitz, blitz….
You know, that thing RR doesn’t know how to do.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
You are correct though Nation 951, its being worked out!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
You are correct though Nation 951, its being worked out!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
larry had feet problem as well.
951: we have “magnet schools” that are specific to either math or sciences or whatever but companies do not dedicate or mentor within the schools. Also, i hate the “leave no child behind”. THe way it is run in CT anyway. My step kids went to a science magnet school for jr high (because their friends did). They didn’t care about the particular subject and i wanted to pull them out because i felt they were robbing someone who really was interested in this field of an opportunity. But when you go to the classes and talk to the teachers they weren’t special teachers. a science teacher is a science teacher. They weren’t involved w/companies and didn’t motivate as our countrie’s future but seemed (my impression) as a job. What i didn’t like about the not leaving someone behind is just that… they didn’t do the work or deserve (effort) to pass and they were moved along. Kind of like pushing the problem along. Remember Dexter Manley.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
MR, post 1089:
Good post. Good to see the Senator cares about the matter. I agree with the Senator. It just doesn’t make sense in regard to destroying the tapes?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Blitzing is also an idea that should be used against the run….the Raider coaching staff has a bit to learn, wonder if they want to learn something new, or if they just want to continue to fail as they have in their past!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
you can adjust when you see 2 te come in.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
RaiderNation951,
Those specialized high schools sound good, but the problem with that is what do the kids do if they decide on one trade when they are 15 and when they hit 18, 21, 25 or even 35 and realize they do not like their career? We need well rounded young people that are exposed to all aspects of education so that they may find their passion in areas they may have overlooked had they not been required to participate in subject they would otherwise have passed on, or they need to have a flexible education that will allow them the ability to change direction later in life, as many, many, many people find themselves doing these days.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I hope so…..I miss having the top 10 D, top 10 Rushing attack, and top 10 passing game. You remember, the Gannon years……Back to back playoff’s………..ahhhhh, the good old days.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
CE: Is it the coaches? NE used 3-4, blitzed, used mega packages…. that’s what ryan intended to do here. remember when he first got here he tried the 3-4 but we only had 2 LBs! That made it tough. hahahah
Are the handcuffs on?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Dakota: we do need well rounded because even on a higher scale they need to learn how the companies interact. I don’t think i’m communicating well. All companies have a cause an effect within different markets and they need to learn that as well. How one idea effects another. I don’t think i’m very clear on my thoughts. maybe because i get up in 4 hours.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Its always the coach? Has to be, that his job.
Not gonna talk about NE, they have been cheating for 7 years. The fact the NFL is ignoring the severity of the issue shows just how corrupt they are themselves. The Raiders owner, Al Davis should be in charge of the whole league, he would not take advantage of this power.
I don’t know, I’m just pissed by the whole thing.
To Answer your question though, the 3-4 allows for much more confusion within the Offensive line, and gives you more speed against a team who wants to pass the football. We can win using either scheme, but to have a team who can do both, would be deadly.
“There are a 1,000 ways to skin a cat”
May 14th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Dakota, the school still taught all the normal classes, but HTH offers classes like C++, Linux, Computer programing, TV productions, radio productions, etc for electives insted of having to take home economics or sewing. The schools are pretty cool. Smart boards in all the classrooms, LCD t.v., projectors etc.
The no child left behind was a piss poor plan that has destroyed education in CA. Terrible follow through on a plan that had potential to actually do good. Just like welfare. Good in theory, bad in follow-through.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
These NFL coaches are way behind though, there are many innovative college and high school coaches who know 10,000 times more about scheme than these NFL coaches….
May 14th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
No, you were clear Jim, and I agree that our education system should have some connection with our business structures, it should be one part of the total education package. My concern is…never mind…I may get kicked off this site if I keep talking about non-raiders stuff, lol.
Night all.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
These pro guy point their finger at everyone but themselves. They all want to point out that they don’t have the proper personnel, it sickens me.
I haven’t heard a head coach take the blame for a loss in years!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
CE: I totally agree w/you on using both. we have players who over lap at their positions and are intelligent. I think we will be able to mix numerous defenses.
i mention ne because that’s where ryan came from. I think we have the personnel to change ON THE FIELD, for short periods of time from 3-4,4-3,dime, nickel
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
maybe not dime
May 14th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Screw education….
Won’t lure me into that discussion, although you almost just did.
Nite!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
951, that does sound like a decent program.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
With the talent of player in the NFL there is no reason you can’t throw multiple looks at an offence.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
CE: let me ask you a question. If ryan came in and demanded to do his job a certain way and his way performed the way it did last year, would al keep him?
If he did it al’s way and failed, would al keep him?
He kept him but i believe and i have NO PROOF that Al had the wand.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I thought it was. My school had a suto HTH program. We had TV, auto mech, retail managment, and a couple of others.
With a 53 man roster, and players making millions, throw them out there and make them play multiple looks. If they can’t find someone who can.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
good night. i need to sleep!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
I don’t understand how the D could have fallen off so much from the Shell year to the Kiff year. Art screwed up the offence so much the D was on the field a lot longer. Kif got the guys to actually play like a team and the D couldnt keep up.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
later ct
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
actually you have an idea. i think the entertainment industry as a whole needs to give back to the people who basically paid them.
i’m tired of people doing concerts for charity when they’re raising the money from the same corp of people who made the singers rich. it’s the same people over an over. entertainers should give out of their own pocket when the perform for a charity (which they charge a fee and write it off on taxes)
May 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
You’re not going to confuse an offensive line with a 3-4, alone. An NFL offensive line that’s worth a crap, and that practices for more than 20 minutes a day, will have no problem picking up the 4th rusher, even the 5th. I know the pre Kiffin/Cable Raiders line would be confused, though. So maybe that’s where you got the idea. They couldn’t handle a 3 man rush. They’re a bad example.
The bottom line is that we do need to blitz more and mix up our coverage. You have to have a pro bowl roster to run 2 Man under every down. Remember that glitch on Madden a few years ago where that defense kicked ass? Wouldn’t give up any yards? You thinking what I’m thinking? Can’t be. No way we’re that pathetic of an organization…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
The thing I like about Ryan is it appears that he wants to win, and his players obviously respect him. They want to play for him, so thats a plus.
However, I think he would benefit from disguising his fronts and coverages a bit more. Movement on defense is vital to playing with the QB. The Raiders have always just say in their front and coverage and said, here we are, look at it, we’re not gonna move, yeap, its 4-3 man free…I mean common, you can play the ego game all day, fact of the matter is, we’ve only won 19 games in 5 years and two of those wins came because we blocked a kick on the last play.
If Ryan demanded anything, and I’m Al Davis, then I admire Rob Ryans balls and his willingness to stand up for his scheme. Did he do this? I doubt it.
If Ryan did it Al’s way and it didn’t work, then yes, Al would keep him. Still only won 19 games in 5 years.
Something’s gotta give.
Sorry, I’ve been busy the last 5 years!
haha
May 14th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
I’d like to jump in here if I may…I think we have the personnel to run a 3:4 but we don’t have the ability to adjust “on the field”. Dropping Burgess and Spires in coverage would be dangerous, plus who would play the second ILB spot? This is based on us having 4:3 personnel in the game and having to adjust to 3:4 on the field.
Now, if we sent in a 3:4 package with TK and JR at the ends, TS on the nose, Burgess and Howard at OLB, Kirk and Rob Tomas at ILB, and the standard secondary, then we could slide Burgess down, slide TK inside, split R.Tomas out to SLB.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Football players are football players, lets not get into trouble changing this idea.
These guys can do whatever they’re told they can do by a coach who knows what he’s talking about!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I agree Assasin, you’re right, we can run the 3-4.
We should run both though!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
yup, Ryan’s gotta give up trying to be his brother and father.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
83 Raiders on America’s Game at 7PM Thurs on NFLN
May 14th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
What you do is you Line up in the 4-3 with Burgess hands down and drop him into coverage or have have him take a step back prior to the snap.
He could spy weakside and this could allow for many more checks on the weakside of the Defensive Front.
Combine this with a roaming SS on the other side and we’re cooking!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
It’s our scheme, it’s our players, it’s the overall lack of intensity. The offense improved, but the defense got worse. And Kiffin is the one on the bubble?
Hmmm…
Confucius say: Somebody running this organization is putting personal grudgy in front of successy….
May 14th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
You have to put your mindset into the opposing Offenses mind.
You do this by taking calculated risks.
The Raiders do not do this.
They blitz like 5 or 6 times a game when its an obvious call!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
1166 – I agree we should run both too, I just don’t want to see us revert from a 4:3 to a 3:4 with pure pass rushers playing OLB. We’ve tried that before and it failed miserably (Brayton @ OLB…please).
I too don’t understand why we draft speed on defense and disregard the advantage by not blitzing.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Kiffin is the head coach….he’s gotta make it work.
Using Al as an excuse won’t fly with me.
He wanted to leave his cushy job at USC and get paid before he was ready…too bad.
We all got problems….
May 14th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
the D will never suceede if they can’t change on the fly. If you don’t practice and execute you will never win. Rob Ryan doesn’t know how to coach up winners. He as proven that time and again. a top rated pass D year in and year out because they play man coverage……not a lot the coach has to do about that. Hey nambi, cover your guy, let the LB’s and Safties make the tackles for the run………….we have seen that fail too many times. That is how we got not only JR but DMC, and if they can’t collectively pull their act together we will be picking top 20 yet again next year.
Anything less then 28+ is a failure.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Assasin…lol, you’re so correct!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
There’s no quick fix to this defense. No scheme is going to improve it. No one or two players is going to improve it, especially the ones that we signed this off season. The optimism for Hall and Wilson is akin to the optimism for No Play Ray. When we signed him we acted like we had signed Tatum in his prime. I don’t buy the optimism in here. I won’t have it.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Executing on the fly….what a concept!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I typed 1172 prior to reading your post Coach. My “pass rusher playing OLB” reference wasn’t intended for dropping Burgess in coverage. I was eluding to Kalimba Edwards or Greg Spires having to drop back.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Coach El, are you still here?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL, I don’t bu what you’re selling either!
And we took him against Super Bowl competition.
Great pick up!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
And, coach, sure, we can pass the buck to Kiffin and blame him. Cool. We’re 4-12 this year, and that puts us at 23-73 over the previous 6 seasons. Think many people outside of the hard core Davis kool aid drinking crowd are going to be convinced that there’s anyone more to blame for that record than Al Davis? Moi neither.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Kiffin is not the problem with the Defense. he tried to bring in someone who he was comfortable with as a DC. Al said no. RR blew his chance to stay. Kiffin said time to go Rob, Al said no. How do you figure it is Kiffin’s fault the D sucks? your logic makes no sence. I realize the HC is overall responsible for the product on the field, but if you keep his hands tied, that takes the blame off the HC and puts it square on you.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Wilson is a top 3 safety? Based on what, your own personal power rankings?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Al Davis built the AFL prior to being 23-73, lets not forget that.
If you are in the league as long as him, you’re bound to have some down years, personal karma, know what I mean!
Al Davis is a human GOD!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
RN951, exactly.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Hey coach, I’m sorry things got out of control yesterday, I feel like i started the hall thing. I respect you and your opinions, I dont agree with them, but still respect them, i was having fun and i thought you were too, and then it got out of control, again I’m sorry.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Wilson won the Super Bowl, he helped to shut down Moss and T.O last season.
If you’re gonna base anything on recent results, these are them! Facts are facts!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
The only fix for this defense is a change in philosophy approved by AD. Until then, we better hope we sign the best cover corners, the best tackling safeties, the fastest and best tackling LB’s, and the biggest DL’s in the game…and hope they gang tackle.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Coach, I haven’t forgot Al Davis helped build the NFL (as opposed to your subtle claim that he built it single handedly), but there’s no reason to forget how lousy he’s been since Super Bowl 37, either. Being down for a couple of seasons is one thing. But no GM worth a crap goes 5 straight seasons in the tank and keeps his job. 6 straight is unheard of. But not when the GM is Al Davis, because he’s the owner too.
And, Al Davis is no god. He’s not even a good GM in the NFL. Get real.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Dude, no apologies, this is football….
Good talk though, I come on like an egotistical ass—hole…but I do it so you’ll judge me, its just ME…hopefully you’ll learn to like it!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
So basically, coach, Wilson is one of the 3 best safeties in the NFL because you say he is?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Assassin, so be it, we can still make it work.
MR. I digress…you are correct, he isn’t a God, but you are talking about him….so he’s cooler than you and I are together!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Coach, you didn’t even know who Wilson was until we signed him, did you?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I think i do like it, but c’mon Wilson one of the best 3 safeties!!TROY, ED, WILSON from the cards, i will say he is one of the top 10.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Mr.
to answer your question…yes. Based on my opinion, which in football, is everything, he is a top three safety. He is tough, and the reason you haven’t heard much about him is because he plays in NY. He is a bad ass dude, you’re gonna like him, I promise!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Wilson is a top 3 safety in terms of solo tackles. Nearly leading the league at that position in solo tackles is impressive when you play on a good defense. Their defense wasn’t on the field all that often thus he had fewer opportunities to make tackles. A good example would be to compare his production to Huff’s; Huff had almost as many tackles as Wilson but Huff was on the field significantly more.
Wilson is not another Larry Brown or Ray Buchanon.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Because I’m talking about him he’s cooler than me? What kind of assed backward, idiotic logic is that?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Wilson is a top three safety when he has the best defensive line in the NFL. We don’t know how he’ll do w/our line.
i couldn’t sleep. i need to go back to bed.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
I didn’t know who he was until we signed him, you are correct, but thats because I don’t care much about opposing teams personnel.
After King Al picked him up, I noticed his toughness against T.O in the playoff game last season and then his coverage against Moss in the Super Bowl.
Combine that with the fact that Mr. Davis took him away from a Super Bowl contender and yes….I say he is a top 3 safety.
Good Work though…
Wish I had all the technology you pool your resources from, but yeah…
I can make it work.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Coach, we didnt hear about him cause he plays in NY, on of the more media infested cities.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Wilson can tackle, Stu could not.
Hall can play man to man, fabian and Stanford attempted to.
Hartwell is an improvment in speed, tackling and football IQ.
3 big improvments over the mess that was last season.
Huff will no longer get blown up by LT at the 5 yard line and knocked 3 yards deep in the endzone.
We have people in place to make the secondary better. The pass D was 6th last year. This year it should be top 2.
Run D was 30th last year. IF the DL steps up and pulls its collective head from its rectum, they should be top 10.
The O will be improved with JR at the helm,
Walker is MUCH better then Porter,
Curry is a mediocer (sp) #2
Carter is better then JLH and Dwight coming out of the slot.
DMC/Bush should be dynamite.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am
I’m not disagreeing coach, I believe it can work. I just don’t trust Ryan to make it work based on his “project” players in the past
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am
It’s my logic Dickhead….should we talk about you opinion next…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am
So then, it would be more accurate to state that he is one of the best 3 safeties in the NFL, according to YOU, an Al Davis kool aid drinking loyalist, who probably didn’t even know who Wilson was until stories started circulating of the Raiders being interested in him, as opposed to claiming that he flat out is one of the best 3 safeties in the NFL, as if that ridiculous claim could somehow be substantiated. He’s not even a pro bowler.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Gotcha!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 am
so Coach who are the best 3 safeties in the NFL?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Wow, you must be Al Davis himself…
ladies and gentleman…
On the man himself could put me in my place…
Again, I digress….dickhead!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am
we havent’ heard about wilson because he plays in NY???? hahahahahha
the reason that is so funny is all i ever hear is “the reason you don’t know …so and so… is because he doesn’t play in NY, the media capitol of the world”
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am
OMG, the lunatic admitted it! Dude, most Davis loyalists are pretty much towing the company line and lying about their admiration of Wilson going back to his college days. But I respect your honesty in that you had no clue who Gibril Wilson was until the Raiders signed him…despite him being one of the top 3 safeties in the NFL!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am
I quit….
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Okay, lets figure it out…
Which teams who made the playoffs last season have better safties…
This is fair….
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am
You pick!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am
TROY from the stealers.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Desmond Howard, Larry Brown.. ahahhahahaha
Larry brown must have been a top 3 CB playing for the SB champ cowboys.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
I play fantasy football in an IDP league where we’re required to draft individual defensive players and Wilson was on of my safeties. He and Chris Harris from Carolina put up big points each week because of solo tackles and/or forced fumbles.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
A dead guy beat Wilson out for the pro bowl roster. Sean Taylor. Sure he’s not at least the 5th or 6th best, coach? And, should we even be calling you coach considering how football challenged you’ve revealed yourself to be? For now on, I’m calling you Waterboy Elkins.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Attari PIgbe packers
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Non Playoff teams cannot enter this discussion…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Non Playoff teams cannot enter this discussion…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am
You quit, Elkins, only after resorting to name calling after being taken to task for a ridiculous claim. Fair enough. I’ll call off the dogs.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am
pitt
indy
jacksonville
Green bay
Washington… close
all have better safeties
May 15th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Bob sanders Colts.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 am
I’ll be the waterboy for free
And have Kiffin pissing his pants in 5 minutes!
And you already know that!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 am
I agree with Jim, maybe not washington.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:08 am
MR
You went to taylor…..come on man. The guy was a sympathy vote.
Even before he died he wasn’t one of the best. He was good, but not one of the top 3.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 am
If Wilson sucks so bad, why did you pick him up?
How come he shut down Moss and T.O who are known for attcking the middle deep area of the field.
I love how we took the little bit of bait I threw on the ground and just ripped my ass with it…
Makes me feel more love than I have in months..
lol
I love it!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I watched Wilson play almost every game. ALl my buddies are giant fans (i’m from CT). He’s a good tackler. DOn’t forget they had the #1 pass rushing defense (without blitzing). QBs make quick decisions and get rid of it quickly. Fast linebackers. He can be an excellent addition. However, he worked w/the best Dline in the NFL. Remember the 85 bears. The secondary looked great. Had they been on any other team they sucked! but when it’s a three step get rid of it…they looked great.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:10 am
RN, I’m aware of that. I was just poking fun of someone in here who claimed that Gibril Wilson is one of the best 3 safeties in the NFL. He’s already backed down from his claim, and I’ll respect him for that. But if anyone here seriously wants to make the case that Wilson really is one of the best 3 safeties in the league, then I guess the comedy hour continues.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am
you must not be married or you’d get it more often!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Thought we were talking about scheme….
Gibril Wilso is going to win us the Super Bowl next season based on this conversation…
Write that down..
My karma will defeat yours!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Pitt: Polamalu is great but who is their free safety? Exactly.
Indy: I like Bethea but he isn’t that good and Bob Sanders is way too overrated.
Jacksonville: I know about Reggie Nelson, don’t remember who the other guy is.
Green Bay: Atari Bigby is up and comming Nick Collins is the other one right? Not so speacial.
Washington: I would completely agree if Sean Taylor was still with us. But LaRon Landry will be great. Somebody has some big shoes to fill.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 am
I can’t remember taylor’s replacement but is another nasty safety.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Coach Elkins Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Makes me feel more love than I have in months..
You are one lonely SOG.
You just set yourself up for that one. I’m sorry man i just cant help myself.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:13 am
If I get to coach Wilson then yes, the conversation continues, he IS ONE OF THE TOP 3 SAFTIES IN THE LEAGUE.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:13 am
if that happens then that’s all of our karma. that’s what all we want., oh yeah and to beat NE in the playoffs on the way there!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
we will win the SB next year!!!! dude, i want some of what you’re smoking.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Wilson is a decent player, but he’s not good enough to change the Raiders’ defense. He’s not that kind of player. He’s the kind of guy you plug in to a system that’s already clicking on all cylinders. Now Hall would be that kind of guy, if he wasn’t inconsistent. He’s 100%, or 0%. Can’t rely on a guy like that, either. Our defense is one of the worst in football. They can not stop the run, period. And there’s no way that in this league you’re going to score enough points to force your opponent to pass the ball. Most offensive coaches will stick to the ground game even when down by 20 points, if there’s time on the clock.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
I’m divorced….isn’t that a pre-requisite of a great football coach!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Mr. you have too many rules in your assessment of players.
The more rules you have the rule breakers you create.
Gibril Wilson is a top 3 saftey. Period.
And the Raiders are about to be great, and it isn’t because of DeAngelo Hall either!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:18 am
The top 3 Safeties by category:
Solo Tackles – Sammy Night, Gibril Wilson, Von Hutchins
INT’s – O.J. Atogwe, Ed Reed, Atari Bigby
Sacks – Roman Harper, Corey Chavous, Bob Sanders
What does this mean? Nothing. It’s all debatable based on how many games they played, how many plays they were on the field for, how good the defense was, how bad the other team was, blah blah blah…HOWEVER, I think it’s fair to say Gibril is going to make the tackle. It’s also fair to say he’s a top 3 safety in terms of solo tackles. It’s nice to know he will usually make the tackle when he’s one-on-one with a RB.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Bring the dogs back….
I got a quote for you all!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Coach, who are the other 2 top safeties.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 am
espComment: Wilson, a four-year veteran, was drafted in the fifth round out of Tennessee by the Giants and basically been a starter since Day 1. He has good measurables with athleticism, quickness and adequate speed going for him. He is a downhill player that thinks run first, pass second. He has come a long way in learning how to play under control and avoid missing plays by over running or whiffing in space. He plays like he wants to be an intimidator yet lacks the premier size of some safeties. He strikes a good blow and will wrap on tackles and can drive the ballcarrier back after contact. He is adequate in his backpedal and has a little tightness in his hips when he has to open and drive on the ball laterally, but he is quick to accelerate and can close on the ball better than most. If he guesses the wrong angle initially, he struggles to make it up, as he lacks a second gear to catch up. He can match up against most tight ends but will struggle trying to man up on some of the better ones. He is inconsistent getting a jump on the ball from zone and appears to guess where the quarterback is going with the ball at times.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 am
From NFL.com
Rank Player Team POS TT ST AT SAC SFTY PD INT TD YDS LNG FF RCD TD
1 James Butler NYG SS 29 24 5 0 — – — – — – 0 — –
2 Gibril Wilson NYG FS 27 15 12 0 — – — – — – — –
3 Rodney Harrison NE SS 26 19 7 0 — 3 1 0 10 10 0 — –
4 Sammy Knight JAC SS 20 14 6 0 — – — – — – 0 — –
5 Clinton Hart SD SS 17 12 5 0 — – — – — – 0 — –
6 Atari Bigby GB SS 16 12 4 0 — – — – — – 1 — –
6 James Sanders NE FS 16 12 4 0 — – — – — – 0 — –
7 Marlon McCree SD FS 12 9 3 0 — – — – — – 0 1 0
8 Brian Russell SEA FS 12 9 3 0 — – — – — – 1 —-
These are just from the playoff’s.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 am
And he’ll cover T.O. and push his ass outta bounds and only to have TO not stand up for himself, you would have had to see it (playoff game).
Instead, knew he’ld get his ass punked again and just ran back to the huddle!
It was a minor play, however, its subtle plays such as these that show the toughness of your team. And Dallas lost.
And the Giants won the Super Bowl.
And to bring up another fact, I predicted this against the PATS.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am
My quote:
“I didn’t come here to sace Rambo from you, I came here to save you from him”
May 15th, 2008 at 12:24 am
My quote:
“I didn’t come here to save Rambo from you, I came here to save you from him”
May 15th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Coach, you also predicted that the raiders are gonna go the SB next year.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Why are you all so into this discussion anyways.
I thought we were discussing the 3-4 vs the 4-3 Defense.
I need to get going, I have Raider work to do….
Any other interesting needs in this meeting…?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 am
3-4 is over-rated.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Raider O….
If you are truely a Raider fan, you would know that this was a certainty each and every season.
I believe they will win every super bowl from here on out…
It comes with the territory..
Leaders take first steps, and they have to believe in those steps or they will end up in second place.
Ask the Pats how fun second place can be?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:28 am
its a way to hide your blitz.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:29 am
dallas lost because they’re stupid. they had a drive at the end of the game in nyg territory and got a procedure call. it made it 1st and 20. three straight plays of 30yard passes go incomplete instead of making it closer. they go for it on 4th and game is over. if you know you’re going to use 4 downs then get yardage to prepare for the 4th down attempt.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:29 am
The Patriots won’t win another Super Bowl as long as Belicheck or Brady is on their team…
Write that down
Oh Yeah, and we’ll beat the PATS by 2 scores this season…
Remember I said that!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Good point Jim, I agree
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 am
i believe they’ll win it and i also believe Reggie Kinlaw was the best NT in superbowl history. watch that 83 game against the HOF line! he is what made it go. if you see the all sb teams they have the pretty names if you watch the games KINLAW dominated!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:31 am
IF I am truely a Raider fan, i am a true fan, I’m not the one who said I’m an AD fan an not a raiders fan, remember,
May 15th, 2008 at 12:32 am
38-45 Yard line is what I call the Blue zone, and I go for it on fourth down and less than 2 yards….
Almost all the time…
Netting 15-18 yards on a punt is hardly as effective as going for it on 4th down.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Kinlaw got low, no doubt, just watched that recently, in fact , the video is on my myspace page!
Maybe you already knew that!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:35 am
We need our fans to believe….all of them…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:36 am
i think kiffin did a good job in that area.
i like what charlie weiss did against lsu (JRs big game) but it back fired.
He knew ND couldn’t stop lsu. ND was inside their own 10 and new if they punted the speed of lsu could have brought the punt back for a td or at best inside the 20 of nd so he went for it!!!!!! 1st drive of the game!!!! i stand by his call. they didn’t make it and lsu scored on the first play! hahahah
May 15th, 2008 at 12:36 am
i think kiffin did a good job in that area.
i like what charlie weiss did against lsu (JRs big game) but it back fired.
He knew ND couldn’t stop lsu. ND was inside their own 10 and new if they punted the speed of lsu could have brought the punt back for a td or at best inside the 20 of nd so he went for it!!!!!! 1st drive of the game!!!! i stand by his call. they didn’t make it and lsu scored on the first play! hahahah
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 am
13-3 is a very viable ending to this season. 3-13 is also viable if the D continues to regress. I think we will be closer to 13-3 then 3-13.
Top 2 in rushing attack, top 10 in Rush D (practice will pay off going aginst DMC/Bush)
Top 10 in passing O, top 2 in passing D
Special teams will be top 5 in pts scored and field position.
13-3.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 am
i’ve been a kinlaw fan for 25 years! I was in awe and i can’t believe no one ever talks about him (media). He’s one of my favorites of all time. the beast from oklahoma
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Kiffin did do a ood job in that area….but I think teams benenfit in 4th down run situations by spreading it out a little…2TE’s with a Wing and 2 Backs should be used specificall for goalline…not 4th down…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 am
i never post but i wish coach elkins would leave and never come back he is obiously bored out of his mind and likes to argue and i think his is not one of us
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 am
…Our defense is one of the worst in football. They can not stop the run, period. And there’s no way that in this league you’re going to score enough points to force your opponent to pass the ball. Most offensive coaches will stick to the ground game even when down by 20 points, if there’s time on the clock…
——————————————————
MR – How much time on the clock are your suggesting?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Howie Long said that defense couldn’t have functioned without him!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:40 am
absolutely. if you notice ne always had brady sneak a few yards on a drop back to get a crucial 3and 2. but now that brady is a big strong hero he’s too good for that and that’s why they’ll never win another bowl. He won 3 proving himself and doing it all to win and he lost one as the big bad ego qb.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:40 am
good nite all.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Yep
May 15th, 2008 at 12:41 am
nite 951…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 am
or ted hendricks, or mike haynes, rod martin… that was a very talented defense. sean jones, Bill Pickel, come on.. did he really say that?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 am
CE; you got me worked up. i have to get up in a few. damn it!
good night
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 am
thanks seatown…Nice to meet cha!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 am
i know u r signing autographs l8r but seriuosly did u get laid off yesterday and have nothibg else to do but b here all day
May 15th, 2008 at 12:46 am
i have a broken back and im not in here as much as you
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 am
ok, I’m gotta go, good night, and Coach, again sorry about yesterdy.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 am
I work for Al Davis without the benfit of pay….
All day and night…
Just blogging to take a break…
No autographs just yet…haven’t assumed a reason to make them worth anything just yet, but its inevitable!
p.s. Jim, yes Howie said that!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:48 am
I’ll forgive you when we win the Super Bowl!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Ouch! Sorry to hear that Seatown.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 am
How did you break your back?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:50 am
i figure if i give you a little grief u could win me over like the rest
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Coach – I’m sure you’ve addressed this before, and I’m somewhat of a regular but have been busy this week with work, what level of football do you coach?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Assassin, I’d say at any point in the 3rd quarter, they’ll run the ball down by 20. I know our division opponents will. All 3 of them. Yes. We’re that bad at stopping the run. In the 4th quarter, I’d say any deficit within 14, with 10 minutes or more on the clock, a team will still run on us. And, this is assuming we have those kinds of leads; Of course we’re going to scapegoat Kiffin if we don’t. Only the Raiders. Only this franchise puts all of these radical football ideologies above what simply works in this game.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:52 am
i broke it at work waiting on surgery two disc discectomy and 2 level fusion
May 15th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Well, Assassin, he did swear that Gibril Wilson is one of the top 3 safeties in the NFL, so I hope he’s not one of the Raiders coaches. If he is, it explains a lot.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:54 am
i read u guys all the time it passes the time with bspn and the lakeshow at least i have something to do
May 15th, 2008 at 12:54 am
sorry to hear that to seatown and ce;
Howie was never the same when he went hollywood. I was pissed when he was offsides 3x in the 2nd half against buffalo. Chester McGlogton had a broken leg. (ps we should have went for it on 4-3 but shell punted. we didn’t stop buffalo once in the 2nd half but he must have thought we suddenly would. buffalo ran out the clock! we had 3-3 and did a draw to nick bell. i’ll never forget it because my sister was getting married in one room and i was sneaking out to the bar to see the game in the other. hahahaha
he was very valuable because he played so many positions on the line but w/o haynes? w/o hendricks, that would have been more major than w/o long because we had jones,pickel, townsend.. kinlaw… so that was stupid to say.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am
lol @ MR…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am
it has been 15 months and labor and industries doesnt want to pay 4 it so im home bound with alot of time on my hands
May 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Off Topic, but hilarious:
Rotoworld.com 1:25am ET
Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger says Mike Williams “needs to stay in shape so he can run more than two routes in a row.”
May 15th, 2008 at 12:59 am
OK, we have one person in here tonight predicting us to go 13-3 (the opposite is more likely), and another one slamming Howie Long. Amazing. Yeh, I’m glad we’re not stuck with players like Howie Long anymore. Thank god we have Tommy Kelly!
May 15th, 2008 at 1:04 am
MR – I’d agree with the analogy for the most part, but it is probably more of a case-to-case scenario depending on the team you’re playing. For example: Any team playing the Colts or Patriots will have no choice but to pass the ball if they’re behind by 20 in the 3rd…in my opinion.
Not that we are the Colts or Patriots.
The reason I questioned the timing is because you’re suggesting our run defense “is” the worst in the league, as opposed to “was” worst in the league. I know we can only judge based on last year but we’ve made improvements that should suggest our run defense will improve. To what scale, I would be just be guessing if I made any prediction, but I would certainly stand by a prediction of us being better than last year.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Man it’s late, gotta go.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Howie wasn’t a one man show. DId you watch him in the early 90s? he was about his looks and didn’t care anymore. watch the games and decide for yourself. Was he just so great that we should ignore everything. that’s for Packer fans (favre). EVERY TEAM would have cut him because of his stupid plays and decision making in the last 6 years (he had a good season last year). Not GB. He won them a sb so keep him until he decides when the team can move on.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:18 am
townsand and jones became stars on other teams so it wasn’t howie making them better
May 15th, 2008 at 1:43 am
well i will tell you this year is the year for the raiders if they sign this McFadden so he can get to work
May 15th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Aaron Wallace
May 15th, 2008 at 6:10 am
and now back to our regularly scheduled programming…
May 15th, 2008 at 6:26 am
Why is the 49er fan MR referring to the Raiders with “we”? Howie played past his prime and lost a few games for the Raiders by jumping offsides so much. He was basically forced to retire because of his performance on the field and holds a grudge till this day. Don’t listen to the fortywhiner MR, he has been wrong since he started posting in here and never has any links to back his fact finding missions.
May 15th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Anyone remember the reff that called pass interferance on Torin Dorn late in the first half vs Buffalo in the playoffs that kept them in the game? Replay shows the players never touched.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Howie Long played one year to long in the end but man he was a great player in his prime. Man that Greg Townsend was not to bad himself.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:18 am
P.S.
To everyone out their in the Raider Nation you heard it here first. I told you we were going to draft D-Mac. D-Mac and Bush in the backfield at the same time or Fargas and Bush in the backfield running out of the I formation with McFadden playing slot was just to good to be true. I could have never imagined we would get both of the best offensive weapons to come out of the SEC, in the last couple of years, in D-Mac and J-Russ Duce. That’s right, I said it, Jamarcus Russells’s new nickname you heard it here is J-Russ Duce(2)that J-Rock thing from highschool was not getting it.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Oh my GOD this site is getting more pathetic by the hour! you moderators, are you against registration because you are afraid of losing your job?
the way you delete posts is like shooting birds with cannons… Pathetic! this was the best site… now its not even a top 10 raider site…
Pathetic!
May 15th, 2008 at 7:45 am
oh oh 1505 will be deleted within the hour!
May 15th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Lol that would be 1305 =)
May 15th, 2008 at 8:39 am
LMN
What was deleted?
May 15th, 2008 at 8:47 am
xLA
everything between post 1299 and 1300 was deleted or between 0221 and 0610
May 15th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Yep,
All the politics went bye bye. lol
May 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
well I dont know, look at posts before below 1000 and there are plenty of politics, and not anything wise =) but it still there, but I guess its just me that gets censored, as I said Pathetic, and everything I’ve said has been civil
May 15th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Censorship is never a good thing.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:16 am
One of the five people charged in Sean Taylor’s murder has pleaded guilty.
Defense attorney Michael Hornung confirmed to the Associated Press that defendant Venjah Hunte agreed to a guilty plea and will cooperate with prosecutors. Hunte will be sentenced to 29 years in prison.
Richard Sharpstein, a lawyer who is serving as the Taylor family’s spokesman, said Taylor’s relatives were satisfied with the plea arrangement.
“It appears on the surface that he’s gotten a deal,” Sharpstein said, “but he still serves at least 80 percent of the 29 years, which is a long stretch. It’s no slap on the wrist. It’s severe punishment and [Taylor’s father] and other family members were consulted and they approved the prosecutor’s decision.”
May 15th, 2008 at 9:24 am
LMN: Do you think there are big staffs working on this site 24/7?
Do you understand that the chain of newspapers that produces this site is the cheapest, most cutthroat company in journalism? Do you think Jerry has an assistant? (Maybe, but prolly not). Do you think there are web developers twiddling their thumbs at ANG because they have so much time to change registration policies? Editors with free time to cafefully cull the responses to blog entries?
Yes, I see that this is a big hit for the paper, but newspapers are not so nimble in the digital age. Just be grateful that a hardworking reporter is giving you fresh things to comment on almost every day IN THE OFFSEASON.
You say this is not even in the Top 10 Raider sites — yet here you are! Perhaps if you said: “This is not even in the top 10 of Raider bulletin boards in terms of technology and spam/troll management,” you would have been right. In terms of reporting on the Raiders, this is clearly the best site out there.
And no, I don’t know Jerry or work at the same company. But I was a daily newspaper reporter and editor for many years.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Well sir!
how do you explain the posts been deleted? how do you explain any posts being deleted? one thing is the filters so most can’t post urls, but selective deleting cant be a robot job!
yes I’m here, it’s because i like the guys debating here. Furthermore, I like Jerry Mac’s articles but its pathetic that non commercial or low income sites, can give there visitors registration and this ANG site cant… either no censorship and let the all good and all bad flourish or total censorship…
but sorry if I hurt your feelings for dissing this site, knowing how good it has been its just sad what it has become…
and if this falls down to being on my top15 raider site, I still would come by, but it would be my first page as it has been….
May 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
correction… can give their visitors, and wouldn’t be my first….
May 15th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Chill the F out
point taken but chill the f out! =)
May 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Kobe on his only dunk attempt in game 5:
“I didn’t know if I was actually going to quite get up high enough to do it,” he said. “I kind of felt like Luke Walton.”
Priceless!!
Oh sorry, Go Raiders!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:02 am
LMN,
so what was in your posts that might have gotten them deleted?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:03 am
ohh I know most of you don’t care, I just think you all should know…skip it if you like =)
Later today (most likely) will the winner team of the Danish Soccer Championship for the first time have an american member, furthermore he is the captain and from California!… His name is Danny Califf, he plays for a club called Aab, Aalborg Ballclub.
Not the best player, but helluva leader…
May 15th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Raiderwoj…
this is the sad part, I cant remember!, but I was pretty fond about it =) it was a reply to RN951, thats why i was pissed =)
I’ll let it go now, It wasn’t about football anyway… but still a clever reply got snatched, and thats sad =)
May 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
SaintKaufman…
thanks to you and wiki I now know who Luke Walton is, I thought at first it was something from ‘The Waltons’
May 15th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Well I’m guessing it had to do with #1263, while I like his predictions, and hope for the same, it’s really hard for any team to go from 4-12 to 13-3.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I’m stickink with my 8-8 prediction! Any more wins and Ill be doing backflips of joy. Anything less and I’ll do the drunken stumble!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:24 am
408…
yeah I hear you… I want 7-9 and within realism I hope for 8-8… doubt 9-7 but of course would take it
I fear Bills and Texans more than most, I think them and Browns are doing something interesting…
btw, there was a San Jose guy here a few days ago, he asked about a raider-bar in San Jose, do you know any?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am
If JR can give us solid play, like protect the ball and minimize turnovers the O will be fine. I think our D has improved personnel wise enough to get rushig yards down to about 120ypg and gofrom 22nd overall to around 15th. Our schedule looks weak enough that if we play solid football we go 9-7, if we play better than expected 11-5. Denver is a huge game week 1, we win we have the confidence to keep winning, we lose we will have alot of trouble in the 15 following games. I just can’t see us losing that game.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Best Raider bar in SJ? My buddys garage. Top notch BBQ, loads of ice cold beer, and big bottles of JD, Crown, and Vodka. There is also a punching dummy for when you get frustrated.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
oh great the moderator is a communist sympathizing boy lover who spends all his time when he’s not here at smallboys.com ….freak…moderate my words but leave all the other lunies on here to swear…fine…I’ll get ya.
Remember, I’m reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal lowdown.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
La Milicia,
This the Oldman from PFT365. I live in San Jo and we used to drink beers at a place on 4th street accross from 4th Street Bowl a couple of years back, but I heard the owner wasn’t doing too well, healthwise. I’ll check it out and let you know.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Hey Oldman!
great, hope the San Jose guys sees this, we the NATION gotta help eachother, because we know nobody else will =)
LOL
May 15th, 2008 at 10:36 am
LMN, just to let you know you can’t copy & paste a URL but I’ve had luck typing it out & it getting past the mods.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
LMN house of pizza downtown but whiner fans show up sometimes! Last time we had a raider niner game it was a brawl in the parking lot. so I dont know if thats his seen
May 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Yeah, I was reading a blog on Sportsline.com yesterday and the donky’s were raging until Raider Homies started posting from all over the world. Some dude from England went off. It was so cool I didn’t even post. I’m not the type to kick a dude when he’s already getting his arse kicked.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
RaiderTW…
I know about the urls, the thing is it posted for about an hour then they removed it, later they removed more…
though Dakota is still able to post urls, thats also a part why i’m pissed, not that dakota can, but that some can others cant
May 15th, 2008 at 10:42 am
RaiderTW…
Lowdowns post got removed too, and a reply from a thirdpart to lowdown…
May 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am
408,
Have you ever partied at 4th ST. Bowl? There was a bar accross the street that was 100% Raiders. But i think the owner passed away a few years back. There’s always Ricky’s in San Leandro.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Raiderwoj Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Best Raider bar in SJ? My buddys garage. Top notch BBQ, loads of ice cold beer, and big bottles of JD, Crown, and Vodka. There is also a punching dummy for when you get frustrated.
Yeah dude my place too!!! LMAO
We dont have a punching dummy tho!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am
the NATION is so cool, when I’ve been several times to Oktoberfest in Munich, Germany, i’ve wore a Raider Cap or a jersey or something, instantly you got a friend you never knew! =)
May 15th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Tell you what, thought we were gonna have to replace him the way last season went, he got abused badly.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am
How sweet, many of you California guys can now get married, at least until the US Supreme Court sets you “straight” again, lol.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am
I want a punching dummy too, its to expensive in pillows. After the Shell-season I had to buy a new sofa and new fluffy pillows, because they were smashed to small flat post stamps
May 15th, 2008 at 10:52 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
RaiderTW…
I know about the urls, the thing is it posted for about an hour then they removed it, later they removed more…
though Dakota is still able to post urls, thats also a part why i’m pissed, not that dakota can, but that some can others cant
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They must like me…I am good for their comment count…Job security.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Oldman
Yeah I missed out on the place across the street but have had many a beer at 4th streetbowl. Im from the westside tho!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Dakota…
LOL, yeah perhaps thats partly why I’m pissed too, both of us are good for their comment count, but I guess I don’t count as much because I’m foreign…. =)
May 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
LMN
He’s $400, but it may be worth it in the long run depending on how the season goes.
http://www.karatesupply.com/Bob-XL-Punching-Bag_p_58-831.html
May 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
well I dont know, look at posts before below 1000 and there are plenty of politics, and not anything wise =) but it still there, but I guess its just me that gets censored, as I said Pathetic, and everything I’ve said has been civil
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They can censor foreigners via the Patriot Act (it supersedes the Federal Blog Act of 1998)…beware LMN, they may send the Gestapo after you next!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
On espn2 Bryan Pittman, the long snapper of the Texans
from 1/2 court hiked the ball for a basket.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:58 am
cuz, did we get dat guy from green bay yet?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Dakota…
Muahaha, good one =)
May 15th, 2008 at 11:06 am
RaiderWoj…
Great, now I just need to buy a jersey to him =), perhaps I can borrow, My friends patsy jersey =)
I’m not violent, but I’d alway liked to smack brady around, just once or twice…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:07 am
For some reason the moderator won’t let me link the best article I have ever read about Al Davis. Everyone needs to read, Just Live, Baby! by Brian Curtis of the The New York Times. Check it out in the sports section under teams/Raiders. Six pages of correct reporting about the world of Al Davis. Enjoy!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Eyepatch…
most here cant post links anymore, paste the entire text…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=412151
Charles in trouble; He better start doing some of those Nutrisystem commercials to earn a little extra cash.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Its six pages long.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Milicia, just google “Just Live, Baby” it’s right at the top.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am
“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-davis.html”
Take the quotes off and then copy and paste it into the drop-down.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:16 am
You guys know about raiders.com don’t you? They post raider news from a lot of sites daily. That’s how I found Jerry’s column.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:23 am
RaiderTW,
thanks man! love new raider sites, this 1 looks pretty good.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Eyepatch…
yeah its good, have read it, we gotta remember that this is almost a year ago, now Al is even older :/
May 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Well it just goes to show you he is not in control of the on the field descision making the rest of the media would like you to believe. He lets the coaches coach because he has to. That was my problem with Shell coming back, he was a average coach with Al standing over his shoulder before. Then when he gets full control the second time around, he is the worst coach in Raider history. Al made the mistake of rehiring him and trusting in his judgement. Thankfully he was replaced with Kiffin.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
did the DE gunsheim from washington get cut? I hope not…I think he can bring something to the table eventually. I hope Malik Jackson makes the team.
If Hawkins plays well and contributes and Shields doesn’t….I’m gonna be pissed at our scouts.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Dakota,
One more.
Go Lakers!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
haha….Barkley the warrior hater in gambling debt…thats no surprise….he hated on the warriors last year and because he probably put as crap load of money on dallas last year! LOL
May 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Man that article really pulls me in different directions: I want the Raiders to win just FOR Al Davis, but at the same time I want to yell at Al Davis and tell him to quit and get someone in here that knows what the hell they are doing…
I hope the old coot gets it right one more time…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Dakota,
I won’t even acknowledge that statement. Dude!
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Exla,
Oh yeah…GOOOOO LAKERS!
Lunch time, I am out.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am
The corrupt refs tried to help out the jazz last night also…too bad it backfired!
Lakes should close them out tomorrow!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dakota….. Booze/Ladies/Football.
This is in your wheelhouse.
bustedcoverage.com
Worth a drive-thru, enjoy….
May 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am
909,
Thanks, there seems to be some good stuff on that site!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Believe me, Al is in full control of his faculties. Granted, he fought in the Civil War, but ever since taking over the franchise, I’ve seen some of the greatest football player don the “Silver and Black” Al derserves all the credit as well as the blame. He is the Raiders.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Interesting page, lists all NBA salaries
http://www.insidehoops.com/nbasalaries.shtml
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Oldman,
He may be “in full control of his faculties”, but his faculties are not up to par for the NFL anymore…sounds like he even understands that…too bad he might pick a guy like Upshaw, head of the weakest player’s association of the big three sports, to run the team someday.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Oldman,
nobody disagrees with you on that, but had he turned the keys over to guy like Bill Polian after 2002 season, I bet our last 5 years would have been much easier on the eyes…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Jerry, the first thing out of your mouth today should be a Russell update, OKAY?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
It’s hot as hell in Alameda today!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Dakota… Most welcome. I just stumbled on that site, doing some research on my new favorite #2 subject: Erin Andrews.I’am getting close to my p.h.d on her.
Anyway, somehow figured you’d like that site also.
Just another sick mofo I guess.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
KoolKell
I’m very surprised that the top players isn’t paid more…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
The first news must be of those players getting cut before camp, especially Lamont Jordan, Stuart Schweigert and (potentially) Jake Grove and Fred Wakefield.
These guys won’t command any trade value, so they need to be cut from the roster by June 3rd – at the latest!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
C’mon Jerry, we got OTA’s goin’ on and an open day today (unless I was missinformed) what’s goin’ on?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Scottish…. Hope I’am wrong on this one, buy for some reason I think little Stu will stay for now. AL likes him for some reason.
Koolkell… 94* at the moment here, up over 100* fri.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Al Davis designed the uniforms, hired smart people to build his football teams, and took credit for their work. We’ll be fine without him.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Great link, 909; Busted coverage.com
love the video of the mascot taking down the fan.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Scottish,
I doubt Grove will be cut since he can backup the C and both G positions. Too valuable to be released.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
so Nation, who do you think is gonna be the first veteran to get cut? Lil Stuey, Jake Grove.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Al may like Schweigert. The Alameda press department may think he’s great. But the ugly truth about Mr Schweigert is that he is too slow, can’t hit and misses tackles. He may be media-friendly but he is also a complete waste of money. Schweigert’s salary in 2007 added up to a staggering $2,174,094 and his cap value is currently $2,332,428.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
LMN-
Were you going to light me up for messing with CE again last night and it got deleted?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
raidersfanindonkeycountry
way to represent in donky land RAIDER on my man
May 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
LMN,
Back from Lunch, a couple of tacos and a beer. I’m good. I’m sure you guys have already beat this dead horse into the ground, but if you had majority ownership of a sports franchise, are you saying you’re going to pay someone else to make your decisions? My answer is “NO”. AL is training his kid to stand post as if it were the “US Mint” and probably with the same shrewedness. It’s tough to say what would have happened but it’s AL’s business model that has us posting on this blog. It was Al decision to change our uniform from a “white” background on the shield and numbers to “Black”. Sorry guys, but I don’t know anything else. I was born in 1950, I had to watch the winers before the birth of this franchise, so excuse me for being locked in. Enough spewing,It’s cool to talk about my team in the off-season. This blogging thing is cool.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Dakota, you may be right. The same also applies to Morris and Boone – both of whom are listed as Centers, but both have featured as Guards. I just Boone and Morris are better value than Grove. Jake has had too many chances.
And I am still upset that we cut Adam Spieker so early. The kid had real potential.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
LMN, I don’t know, 20 million per seems like a very high wage to me.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
If Hartwell can play I can see that making Thomas expendable. I don’t think LB is a spot they need to loose anyone but Thomas isn’t that good.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Scottish,
Boone and Morris have played in what, a combined 1 NFL game? Grove certainly has not lived up to expectations, but he should be a serviceable backup, and he seemed to take the demotion okay last year.
I can’t imagine that Grove has an exorbitant salary cap number, but you would know better than I.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Grove bought a house in Alameda, he aint going nowhere.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Grove was a 2nd pick in the 2nd round. He could be making what $4 mil?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Robert Thomas is terrible value for his $3m salary, he costs 3x Sam Williams!
I say cut both of them. Alston and Gbaja-Biamila are better value and we might have found another good one in Malik Jackson.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Grove’s cap value is $822k.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
at that much.. .Grove is a serviceable backup… Thomas I think… will be gone… I think it was the reason Gbaja came back this year …
May 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
David White/Sfgate.com
Thursday, May 15, 2008
JaSkinny Russell, Curry surgery and more OTA news
Plenty of Raiders news to breakdown from the first day of access to OTA practice.
Here are some quick hits. Since rookies aren’t allowed to attend until next week, there won’t be a Darren McFadden update.
1. Quarterback JaMarcus Russell looks slim in that red No. 2 jersey. Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said he’s in great shape and Russell said he’s down to 269 pounds.
“I was never even close to 300 pounds,” Russell said of the offseason rumors.
2. Wide receiver Ronald Curry is hurt again.
After an injury-free 2007 season, Curry had foot surgery two weeks ago and will miss at least another two weeks.
Center Jake Grove (knee), defensive tackle Tommy Kelly (knee), safety Jarrod Cooper (knee) and linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba (knee) also are out recovering from injuries suffered last season.
Free safety Stuart Schweigert “tweaked his leg” during practice Monday, Kiffin said, and hasn’t practiced since.
3. LaMont Jordan is nowhere to be found.
Which is no surprise, but Kiffin hardly gave Jordan a free pass for skipping the voluntary workouts — something he always does for Derrick Burgess, who is continuing his tradition of avoiding OTAs.
Left guard Robert Gallery is another non-injury absence. He got married and will return next week.
As is their custom, kicker Sebastian Janikowski and punter Shane Lechler were out.
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha is gone because he hasn’t signed his exclusive franchise tag offer, and is thus not under contract. Kiffin said Asomugha will attend the mandatory minicamp June 3-5.
4. Depth chart update
Michael Huff has been moved from strong safety to free safety, making room for free-agent Gibril Wilson in the box. Kiffin said they may still alternate.
And, free-agent signee Edgerton Hartwell is getting a look at middle linebacker. If the longtime run stopper does well, don’t be surprised if Kirk Morrison is moved to strong-side linebacker.
Backup tight end Fred Wakefield, who missed all of last season with a knee injury, is experimenting at defensive end.
The depth chart isn’t official, but here’s who took the field first.
Offense: QB JaMarcus Russell, RB Justin Fargas, FB Justin Griffith, LT Kwame Harris, LG Paul McQuistan, C Chris Morris, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Cornell Green, TE Zach Miller, WR Javon Walker, WR Drew Carter.
Defense: RE Kalimba Edwards, NT Terdell Sands, DT Gerard Warren, LE Jay Richardson, SLB Sam Williams, MLB Kirk Morrison, WLB Thomas Howard, RCB Stanford Routt, LCB DeAngelo Hall, SS Gibril Wilson, FS Michael Huff.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Oldman,
Yes, I would hire someone to build my teams for me if I were an NFL owner, and I thought it would give my team a better chance of winning.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Backup tight end Fred Wakefield, who missed all of last season with a knee injury, is experimenting at defensive end. ??? wow
May 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Curry’s out… the reason for signing the “invited” star of the rookie mini camp (?)
May 15th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Great, between both the starting WR we have one good pair of legs……..I hope Shield and Reese are ready to step up because JLH will be starting by week 4.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Kit, great post, thank you. see that Jerry, get to work.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
RN951…
“The no child left behind was a piss poor plan that has destroyed education in CA. Terrible follow through on a plan that had potential to actually do good. Just like welfare. Good in theory, bad in follow-through.”
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It was about welfare and social security, I dont think many americans know what it is… Here in DK, we have had it for 60 years and everybody can read and write, over 90% are bilingual most are trilingual… All (most amreican) tests say we are the happiest people on earth, though we have one of the highest taxes in the world.
If you live on the streets its either because you have a mental problem or you have chosen so – never because you are poor.
With Welfare and Social security its binary either you do it, or you don’t, uh and by the way I know it works, because I have lived in it all my life. Never paid for anything and but I gladly pay my tax!
May 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Huff at FS, music to my ears.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Hey kit, take Jerrys parking spot and tell him to take the bus. He doesn’t deserve A/C for leaving us in the dark! Thanks for looking out for us poor deprived Raiders fans.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
LMN-
It just doesn’t work that way here. Too many people don’t want to pay taxes or “cheat” the system. You guys have a flat tax don’t you? Everyone pay’s the same amount?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
KoolKell…
yup, $22m are a lot of doe, I just thought it was more being in the US. But I guess my assumptions was wrong. Take one of the highest paid soccer players in premier league is paid $195m
May 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Wakefield started as a DE. When he was first with the Cardinals he rotated with Kyle Vanden Bosch. He only switched to TE in 2006, after a spell at OT. He is very versatile and at 6-7, 295lbs, is big enough to play DE.
It also means that Marcel Reese has a real chance of unseating either Stewart or Madsen as a back-up TE.
Interesting about Morris playing Center. Is Wade injured?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
RN951
mostly…
I pay 44% but the highest income pay 60%, thats the toptax..
May 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Wakefield made $1.125 Mil last year and never steped on the field. He is gone if he doesn’t make it at DE.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I know most here doesn’t care, but I think you should know anyway…
Aalborg BallClub, Aab, just wont Gold Medals in the Danish Soccer Championship, with 2 rounds to go…
Their Captain, Danny Califf, a Californian Native, more a great leader than a great soccerplayer, is the first american to be on the winning team.
Its 9 years since Aab won last, and this is their 4th overall, The Club was founded in 1885, yup that was 1885…
footote, tonight Aab beat my team, BIF, they are currently placed 8th, but at least we have won 10 times, and got 9 2nd places, we were founded in 1964…
Danny Califf will next year play for FCM, the current #3, he made a 4 year deal on a free transfer ( as a free agent in NFL)
May 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
And I bet Curry is feeling sore and nervous – with Shields, Schilens, Holland, McFoy, James and Watkins gunning for spots on the roster behind Walker, Carter and JLH.
Hope Kelly’s injury isn’t serious.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
If Hartwell is back to where he was w/the Ravens… we’ll have improved greatly… with him in the middle…and Morrison and Howard… working the edges…that’ll be wicked
May 15th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Trying to make the “Scott” conversion with Wakefield.. could be interesting…
May 15th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
The problem with the Defense is it’s basically the same front 7 as last year, where the problem is.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Kiffin is really shaking things up on this roster, Huff at FS, Morrison at SOLB; both moves that the fans have called for at various times, Kiffin is done taking Ryan’s advice on personnel.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
LMN, I don’t care how “No Child” works in Denmark, or wherever it is you’re from, here in America it’s designed to break the teachers’ union, and nothing else. And, like you said, you guys have the taxes and the treasury to make sure no child really is left behind. In America, we certainly do leave children behind. Or, “childs behind”, as our retard-in-chief would say. Denmark doesn’t have the draconian drug laws we have, either. You guys aren’t the loading dock for cocaine that America has been since the ’80s, with a prison industry looking to fill their units with poor minorities who take the bait and jump into the coke game.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
BBB…
I think you’re right, Kiffin said #I want these people to line up, and I want them to line up on these spots, then you do your schemes and defensive calls”
May 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
exactly LMN,
we started seeing it last year with Lil Stuey getting benched finally. I think it is the uneasy truce that Al was able to forge between Lane and Rob, that the media was never privvy to: Kiffin chooses the players and puts them in place, Ryan calls the plays. (and of course Al decides the scheme)
May 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Well said MR
May 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Lets just hope RR is trying to land another job after this season so he will do what it takes to have a good D. Otherwise he could be a lame duck trying to take Kiff down with him. If that happens I could see him without a headset early this season and one of the spot coaches calling the plays.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
MR…
you’re mostly right, but about the loading dock for cocaine is plain wrong, that would be Spain or Netherlands… but once you’re in the EU, you are free to roam across the boarders…
May 15th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
LMN,
Point taken. Why not make a change for the good. That’s what my ex told me. I’ll always be a beer drinking grey hair. I’m locked in.
Great post Kit. Sounds like it’s going on again in Alameda.
Oldman
May 15th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
NEW POST
May 15th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
LMN, the United States isn’t a loading dock for cocaine? Are you nuts?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I wish Kiffin the best and all, but he needs to get something done before he deserves all this praise, IMO.
Having the #6 rushing game is great, but we also were #31 in passing and #25 overall. “Nervous” Norv guided us to a #17 overall offense with the #8 passing game and we were #32 in rushing in 2004. In 2005, Norv gave us more of the same #21 ranked offense, #10 in passing and #29 in rushing.
Not saying that Kiffin can’t get it done, but he needs to prove it. No excuses for Kiffin or Ryan this year or the door.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Goon, the offense improved under Kiffin. Fact. The defense worsened under Ryan. Fact. Split hairs over Kiffin’s number all you will, but when you consider the offense improving, the defensing declining, and the fact that KIFFIN is the one in Al’s dog house…well, to quote Randy, it’s just “fishy”.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
MR Says:
Al Davis designed the uniforms, hired smart people to build his football teams, and took credit for their work. We’ll be fine without him.
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It’s called being a good manager/executive. Having the insight to hire and delegating work to highly skilled individuals who did a great job. Three Super Bowls and one of the most successful franchises in profesional sports. Sounds to me like Big AL has done a great job.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
MR Says:
Goon, the offense improved under Kiffin. Fact. The defense worsened under Ryan. Fact. Split hairs over Kiffin’s number all you will, but when you consider the offense improving, the defensing declining, and the fact that KIFFIN is the one in Al’s dog house…well, to quote Randy, it’s just “fishy”.
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Get your facts right. The RUSHING game improved under Kiffin, so far. You split the hairs I’ll talk fact and only fact unlike you. Quoting Randy Moss? That say’s it all pretty much right there. Quitter, whiner, girly-man. The only thing “fishy” was his performance on the field while with the Silver and Black.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
OldMan…
you said point taken, what point did I make? please clarify in the next thread…
May 15th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Goon, response to your first post:
Agreed. Al Davis did a fine job of hiring the right people in the ’70s and ’80s. Since then, with Gruden’s brief tenure being an exception, he’s failed to do that. Kiffin has brought improvements, but it seems Al is now running him out, too.
Which bring me to my response to your second post:
Our overall offense has improved under Kiffin. That’s a fact. We were ranked 32nd in both points and yards in ‘06. We improved to 23rd in points and 25th in yards under Kiffin in ‘07. That’s not great, but mathematically it is a significant improvement. So, check your facts.
And, I agree, Randy Moss is a whiner. But his analysis of the Raiders when he was here, was spot on. It was certainly “fishy”, and it still is today, considering that this off season Kiffin was the one put on the bubble while Ryan was given a vote of confidence, despite Kiffin bringing improvement and Ryan’s defense declining. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, well put, Randy. Things in Oakland remain “fishy”.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Eyepatch,
I found that NYTimes article, it was interesting. It made me officially hate Jerry Porter. The guy was parking in Al Davis’ parking space last season…what an A-Hole.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Where did you hear that Morrison is moving to SOLB??? Pls provide a link.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Good morning Raiders fans. Mayyourday be great and yourweekendeven better. And, that’sdouble for our Raiders and all the players trying to make the team.
Like most of you,I’m really excited about the players we have and the coaching staff in place. We’re going to win many games and in the few we do lose, we’re going to be in the game to the end, and that’s a major upgrade when you’re battling and only one big play from getting back in the game or actually winning it. Maybe our new team that’snow a real time contender will wake Seabass up to where he actually make a game winning kick.
Go Lakers in Utah tonight, GO RAIDERS!
May 18th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Trade a draft pick next year for a short term commitment of services from DE Jason Taylor. If Parcells does not want him, he’d probably take less money to play in Oakland because it would put him closer to his Hollywood aspirations. If Hartwell takes to the MLB position and Morrison swings to the SLB, the whole D will be remade. I can just picture the INT’s from opposing teams, with Taylor and Burgess closing in on their QB’s and they have to throw to all the ballhawks in the D, Morrison, Howard, Nmamdi, Hall, Wilson and Huff. Chills just thinking about it.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:17 am
guys.. did u know that theres a rAIDER bar in chula vista.. “the stargazer” a raider fo sho bar.. every sunday.. nuthin but luv baby!!
August 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Brien…That defense couldn’t stop the run…you guys don’t know a thing about football!
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