Strictly business . . . as usual
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 27th, 2008 at 11:57 am in Oakland Raiders.
There’s a great scene in the movie North Dallas Forty where the late John Matuszak confronts an assistant coach following a playoff loss and says, “Every time I call it a game, you call it a business, and every time I call it a business, you call it a game.”
It was business in 1979 when North Dallas Forty was released, and with the NFL having developed into a billion dollar industry, even more so almost 30 years later.
Which goes a long way toward explaining why Nnamdi Asomugha isn’t expected to participate in the Raiders’ June 3 minicamp and why he is no lock to be present at training camp when the Raiders start putting together their 2008 roster.
Asomugha is doing the wise thing and playing it very low key, as is his agent, Steve Baker, who declined comment beyond saying there is no animosity between his client and the Raiders.
There’s a school of thought that Asomugha is crazy for not signing his tender as an exclusive unrestricted free agent. The moment he puts pen to paper, Asomugha is guaranteed a figure expected to be just short of $10 million. In the meantime, Asomugha is not under contract and guaranteed nothing. If he is injured while training or involved in a freak accident, the Raiders owe him nothing.
Because it was an exclusive tag, Asomugha can’t shop himself to other teams in hopes of bringing back a contract the Raiders can match or decline, receiving two first-round draft picks as compensation. No team is going to give up two first-round picks, of course, but the whole process of negotiating with someone else can be enough to spark a deal. Asomugha cannot be involved in that process.
You can assume Asomugha, who participated this offseasonin the NFL Business Management and Entrepreneurial program at Harvard Business school, understands the business world is all about leverage. And that he has precious little in that regard. You can also assume he is smart enough to be insured should he be injured while not under contract.
Forget the total value of multi-year deals when it comes to NFL contracts. Score is kept among players and agents by guaranteed money _ the amount of cash a player will get either immediately or very soon the moment a deal is struck.
So far this offseason, the Raiders committed $24.5 million to cornerback DeAngelo Hall, $18.125 million to defensive tackle Tommy Kelly and $16 million each to safety Gibril Wilson and wide receiver Javon Walker.
Last season, they spent approximately $30 million on quarterback JaMarcus Russell and very soon will have to scratch a check in the $20 million range to lock up running back Darren McFadden, assuming the running back isn’t going to press for a deal falling just shy of the $34.75 million No. 3 overall pick Matt Ryan got from the Atlanta Falcons.
There’s being a team guy, and there is being a smart businessman. If you’re the latter, and are considered a valued commodity, how would you feel at being fifth or sixth in the pecking order in a contract year? Particularly when the year’s biggest offseason acquisition is someone who plays the same position?
Asomugha could go the Charles Woodson route and sit out until training camp is over. The time Woodson signed his franchise tender early was when it became apparent to his representatives the dollar figure he was going to get was as good as anything he would likely see on the open market.
The other option, if the Raiders want Asomugha in early, would be to offer him a one-year deal which promises he won’t be a franchise player next year. It was that tactic which New England and Chicago used last year to bring in cornerback Asante Samuel and linebacker Lance Briggs, respectively.
The two sides could still negotiate and agree to a long-term deal later.
Asomugha is going to be a Raider in 2008, and will surely handle his business without ruffling any feathers. He will be back eventually, but for the time being will continue to play poker with only one card, and it’s his call to determine when to fold his hand.
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May 27th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Uno from philadelphia
May 27th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
SIGN ODELL THURMAN!!
May 27th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
DO NOT SIGN ODELL THURMAN!!
May 27th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Sign me!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Nnamdi will get paid, anything else going on in Raider land?
May 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
From pft
There aren’t many guys who started 57 of their first 59 games for a perennial playoff team available on the open market come June. Of course, Shane Olivea’s run as a starter ended when he was benched in November but, still, he put in enough quality work with the Chargers to get a six-year deal in 2006.
He was released at the end of February by San Diego and drew some looks from the Jets before they signed Damien Woody to play right tackle. Even with a history of back problems and some of the shorter arms in the NFL, it’s surprising that Olivea hasn’t found gainful employment for the 2008 season. Well, it would be if he hadn’t found employment with a mystery team.
The 49ers, looking for depth behind Jonas Jennings and Joe Staley, inquired about Olivea’s availability recently but, according to the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat, were told that he’d already agreed to terms with another team. He’s expected to sign with said team in June, presumably after they cleared some cap space. If Olivea were a wide receiver I’d put my money on the Saskatchewan Rough Riders but he isn’t, which makes things much tougher.
Who could it be? Baltimore, Carolina, Denver, Detroit and Oakland all fit the bill as teams that might welcome some veteran competition for the right tackle spot but almost everyone could use some depth.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
As always AL builds with a team of “Individuals” not a Football team.
Jerry what would happen if Asomugha held out the whole year?
May 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
8th
May 27th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Sooner he’s paid the better… we need to get him in to work with Hall and the “new” safeties (plural… as Huff has a new life)
May 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
top 10
May 27th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Pay the man now
May 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I’m Nnamdi damit!
May 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Off topic… Lamont Jordan will be released on June 1? Any interest from other teams – he was a hoss for those first three games.
I know Sapp called him out for being out-of-shape… Has he worked out at all?
May 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
pay DMC
May 27th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
What I dont want is a protracted process with DMAC. He should be in camp ASAP. U
May 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
way he did look out of shape he really didnt have his hip hop run bouncing back and forth
May 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Not signing Nnamdi to a long term deal would be extremely disapponting to me as a Raiders fan and a slap in the face to a class act like Nnamdi. The Raiders should look after their leaders like Nnamdi and not throw money at marginal players on the free agent market at the expense of taking care of their own. I know that’s part of the business but there a few guys they should elevate above that part of the business. People around the league recognize Nnamdi as one of the best. If Nnamdi played on almost any other team he would be recognized as an All Pro and at least a two time Pro Bowler. Why are we giving so much money to a guy that plays the same position and hasn’t played a down for the Raiders who most would consider to be inferior to Nnamdi? I hope the Raiders have at least offered Nnamdi a contract that reflects how much better he is than DeAngelo Hall and how much appreciated his hard work has been over his career with the Raiders.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
write the check come on AL Nnamdi has been solid and a team guy pay the man
May 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I was asking for shane back when he became avail… woed i got from a couple of guys and COW was that he is not a ZBS fit.
COW= Coach on Wheels = Voice of Reason
May 27th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
no-one on this planet is more irrelevant to the Raiders than Lamont “my bad” Jordan…
no-one…
not even maddenraider…
May 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Don’t sign him, Al. And just tell the press that Kiffin wanted him gone. While the rest of the world will know you’re full of it, your loyal following will eat it right up and etch it in stone. You’ve got nothing to lose. Get rid of him so you can afford our future hall of famers like Walker and Kelly.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Got to get back to “work” will chime in when i can. NATION take care.
Peace
May 27th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I appreciate that, Pete.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Does anyone really think Run DMC will be in camp on time?
Does anyone really thin Run DMC will be in camp in time for the 3rd Preseason game?
We’ll be lucky if he comes in at the same time as JaMarcus did last year.
It is more likely that he signs a contract that puts him in camp by the 4th regular season game. Al is not going to want to pay DMC more than JaMarcus but unfortunately with Matt Ryan getting his contract the economics might dictate that that has to be the case.
Funny, before last year, the Raiders had been awesome at getting their draft picks in to camp early.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
We could use another o lineman zone blking or not. We
have a big investment to take care of.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I think he’ll be in… after our experience with Russell last year…they’ll see and know how Al operates…, Ultimately… Russell ended up signing the original deal Al offered… after all that time wasted… yes he got paid…but he lost time …
May 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Considering that McFadden was drafted for the same reason Russell was, to show up Kiffin, I would have to say the negotiations with him will go down in the same manner, if not worse. McFadden is going to want a king’s ransom. The games that Davis likes to play with his head coaches are getting more expensive by the year.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Noway DMC holds out ,Al will have in camp on time. last year was an anomaly
May 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Jerry Mac….. Thanx, for the Raider “world of poker” update. Now, can you find out if AL/Kiff are looking at trying to sign any additional veteran players. Or will any more FA signings be on hold until June, 1.
Thanx, as always for the good work.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
i agree the dmc deal will get done but im worried about Nnamdi
May 27th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Why would Al hire some one to show them up ? He wants to win and he knows the time is short
May 27th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Tonio, have you lost it? It was the other way around. Davis ended up signing Russell for what Russell ultimately demanded. Russell took this franchise to the cleaners. He lost nothing. Not even time, because he never really wanted to play for the Raiders, anyway. He got paid. Guaranteed signing bonus. He hit the jackpot. It’s a done deal for him. Now Al has to find out what to do with the guy. He has one skill: The long ball. That’s it. And, that’s not going to make it in the NFL. My prediction is that Russell will not be a Raider in two years, and we’ll have another retread veteran starting at QB for coach Lofton. Just pick any qb with an arm who’s sitting on a bench somewhere.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
R8R4FER,
Al hired Kiffin to be a puppet. He wants Kiffin to give input, but not to take the team over and be a real head coach. Kiffin did exactly what Al didn’t want him to do. It’s widely reported that the two were clashing from the get go. Davis doesn’t want another Gruden on his hands. He doesn’t want anyone between him and the players. Since Kiffin almost immediately turned out to not be what Al wanted, Davis indeed starting showing him up. He’s been doing it since last year’s draft.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
MR
ur crazy russell will be the man he can make all the throws and hes mobil for a guy his size. I know the whiner blog gets no hits but you should realy hang out there cuz this place is for THE NATION
May 27th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I would have much rather just given Asomugha the contract we gave Hall instead of trading our 2nd round pick for the rights to pay Hall. If we end up losing Asomugha at the end of this season it will be a huge blunder.
I don’t know what Asomugha is asking for or what the Raiders are willing to pay him, but I would really like to see him locked up long-term. Preferrably before training camp so that he can participate.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
MR as usual it’s you who’s “lost it” ( I’m questioning if you’ve ever had “it” in the first place ). The main issue as I recall was how the monies were guaranteed… not necessarily how much. No one is taking AD to the cleaners… as far as your predictions… thanks but no thanks… a-holes and elbows… I guess you have yours to…but .. really… do you hafta share your continued negativity (hardly objectivity) with us?
May 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Anyone else think Nnamdi may NOT WANT a longterm Raiders contract?
Maybe Al has already put a generous longterm offer on the table and Nnamdi isn’t swayed by the immediate payoff. He could play this year, be patient and then Al can’t keep him in Oakland.
This is my biggest fear, that Asomugha and his Cal/Harvard IQ has realized it is better to wait and get his cash somewhere else.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
It’s hard to imagine that Hall’s deal was given with out forethought of Nnamdi or DMC’s coming contracts…
May 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
He does deserve a long-term deal. I damn sure hope he gets it, cuz we need him.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Kiffin is exactly what Al wanted, he hired Kiffin to run the team and thats exactly what he is doing.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
408, I’m far from crazy and you know it. And, I agree, Russell has wheels. I forgot to mention that. He is mobile and has a shotgun for an arm, which makes him the best high school quarterback in the country. But this is the NFL. He’d better know how to hit receivers on timing routes all over the field, facing blitzes and spies to watch for his scrambling, or he won’t last. He hasn’t been put to any test yet, other than a scrimmage against San Diego after they’d called of the dogs. When SD was putting a real D on him, he didn’t do jack. Just wound up getting sacked like 4 times, maybe 5. I’ll have to check the stats.
I haven’t seen this kid do anything yet other than throw an accurate deep ball…IN COLLEGE. In the NFL, he’s still batting 0 for 0. And considering his limited skills, I don’t see him lasting.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I thought he hired Blackholepriest to run the team…
May 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Tonio, if I’m wrong, then how am I being “negative”? Make up your mind. Being negative would mean that I’m at least talking about the truth, right? Otherwise, you could just say that I’m wrong and that would win the argument for you. But no. First you say I’m wrong, then you whine about me being negative, which contradicts your stance that I’m wrong. We’ll just go with negative. Yes, I am negative, because this football team has been so far in the negatives for the past 5 years. When Al gives me positives, ON THE FREAKING FIELD, RESULTING IN ACTUAL WINS, I’ll talk about them. In the meantime, I’m talking about the train wreck that’s right before my eyes. If it hurts your feelings, scroll along. Don’t be such a glutton for punishment.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
4 sacs for 30 yards…. 224 passing yards… against a playoff bound team… trying to get a better seed…
May 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Um, you can be wrong and negative…as in way TOO negative.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Eyepatch, is that another one of your jokes? Kiffin is running the team? LOL. Good one. That and your doozy about Kiffin wanting Lofton. Come on, Eyepatch, give us another one. You’re on a roll today.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
hey thec wassup dawg
May 27th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
MR… You’re wrong… done… argument won.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Come on, patch, tell us Kiffin lobbied to keep Rob Ryan, as well. Close it off with that one, then we’ll get the next comedian on the stage.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
MR talking about maturity?
LOL.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Tonio, wrong about what? You said that Russell wound up taking what Al originally offered. Wrong. You also said that Russell “lost time”. Lost time for what? Do you honestly think this kid gives a rats ass about the Raiders or developing with them? He wanted the money, nothing else. He has an agent. He’s not stupid…well, at least his agent isn’t. And they know how Oakland works. He did not want to play here. The second he was drafted, his agent saw a huge pay day, and a chance for JaMarcus to start a new career in a few years under a more organized franchise, after taking a chunk of Al Davis’s ass. Whoever his future suitor is, they won’t be happy with him either. He’s not that good. But that’s his gameplan. There’s nothing wrong about that. So go ahead and just cry about me being negative.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
you know before Kelly got injuried wasnt he a good player on the outside i believe he was the reason why 2 seasons ago that we were ranked 6th in D
May 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
MR
In regards to post 41. WOW i agree with you for like the first time ever. No one can say for shure how JR will do but I know hes way better than alex smith and you still never answered the question of why a whiner fan would spend so much time here.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Ooops, my bad MR, I am getting my blogs confused…I retract post 50.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
No CB in the league is worth 10 million a year long term. The NFL is a meat market , once a piece of meat is cooked and well done you eat it and then you throw another piece on the grill after you season it. We can let Aso go next year and develop Routt to fill his spot , there will always be a hungry young stud to replace veteran stars. I’ll be glad when these over paid business men are given a rookie salary cap, millions of dollars are being given to too many busts year after year and we fans pay the price with higher tickets and higher prices for cheap material jerseys etc…
May 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
If an owner or GM has a disagreement with a coach about personnel or policy, it must be because he/she is trying to “show-up” the other? Waaa-aaaah! Just as ridiculous as the other non-arguments placed here.
And to pretend that one knows what disagreements there may or may not be — without (really) being on the inside — just adds to the delusional arrogance of a know-nothing trying to stir the pot.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Dakota, give us another opinion on global warming, straight from your pro wrestling think tank.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Yes Kiffin is quoted saying they decided to keep Ryan. MR your ignorance shows in your frustration to spin your fantasy.
May 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
whiner fans dont have much to say cause they didnt make big FA moves or draft picks and they still have a QB that could get replaced thats sad
May 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
408, there are more Raider fans like me than you think. The “you’re a niner fan” accusation is old and tired. Come up with something better, like actually attempting to refute my points. Oh, that’s right, you can’t, because I’m right, so therefore accusing me of being a niner fan is your last card.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
http://globalwarmingcause.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/32000-scientists-dispute-uns-global-warming-claims/
May 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
#37 you are right, we don’t know whether Asomugha really wants to be a Raider or not. That is another variable that we are not privy to. I don’t really see any reason though why it’s better for him to go somewhere else. He could have any number of reasons of course. But there aren’t any obvious ones. I just fear that we had enough money to give him a long-term deal befitting a franchise player before, and now we don’t.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I knew you could do it, patch. Now, keep rolling. Tell us Kiffin believes in the man coverage, no blitz defense, as well. Don’t stop now. Your comedy is on fire! First Kiffin wanted Lofton, now Kiffin wanted Ryan…keep going. This is great.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
MR… you’re wrong… and negative…and I reinstate Dakotas retraction. He’s a grown assman…if he didn’t want to play for the Raiders… he coulda simply opted out… would that have been smart? not imo…but… those that don’t wanna be here… don’t hafta be here…
May 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I’ve gotta run. Eypatch, work on the comedy act. You’re on fire today. Kiffin wanting Lofton and Ryan are classics. I know some people in the biz and I can try and get you on Leno. See you guys tonight.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Pro wrestling think tank = LOL
May 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Sure, Tonio, opt out and pass on easy money. You’re logic is right there with Eyepatch’s comedy about Kiffin wanting James Lofton and Rob Ryan. I’ll come back tonight for more of your guys’ entertainment.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Kiffin has greater influence over the defense this year and has much better players to work with.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I’m gonna repost comment #51 at mid-season, this “MR” guy must not have watched the San Diego game. JaMarcus is not a bust and he will be a Raider for the next 10 years or more barring a career ending injury.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Wasn’t Kiffen who said that “Ryan wanted to leave” at the end of the season? yet… he was still under contract…and w/o a job offering higher than his current position … he couldn’t leave unless he was let go… as tired as the “niner fan” accusation is… it’s not nearly as tired as many that it’s thrown at.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Looks like I ran him off with the global warming link lol.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
MR, you are a hoot. I hope your Chargers crash and burn next year.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Steve Cochran wrote a piece on January 29th that disputes most of the rumors about Lofton if I can find it to link.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
M(ise)R(y) loves company… I’m done giving him some…
May 27th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
lock him up!
May 27th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Dakota,
Get me an image of a pro wrestling think tank…quick
May 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
chargers are underachievers and philip rivers is a panzi cry baby qb who’s gonna get batteries thrown at him this year in oakland
May 27th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Recap of JMac on Sirius radio:
- Feels really comfortable in the offense
- Learned a lot from McCown and Culpepper about running a team and being a leader
- Says coach Kiffin is fun to play for
- With all the RB’s its going to take alot of pressure of him to make plays
- found out hard last year that this league is a business
- its easier to play QB in the league if there consistency in the coaching staff
- all the RB’s bring different things to the table, McFadden is a beast
- went through some adversity in his freshman year in college that prepared him for the holdout and little playing time last year
- has developed a good relationship with Javon Walker
- thinks Zach Miller will be one of the best tight ends in the league
- Weighs 268 right now …. the story that he was 300 lbs gives him fuel to be a better player
- They lost so many games last year by a touchdown or less that they need to close out games
- Has the utmost respect for Al Davis, “its a pleasure to play for him”
- The way Lane and Rob Ryan interact at practice makes it seem like they are getting along
May 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
WARMING THE GLOBE
with your host Dakota!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
BSPN hashmarks blog showing a little love for the Raiders. Picks them as one of the possible surprise “playoff teams” of next season. I can’t post the link, but its on the ESPN NFL front page.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
BET THE F@$%#&G FARM !!!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
hey raidertay you think that will be on espn
May 27th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
tui sucks you sound like a 49 go get bench pressed by vernon davis
May 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-7-318/5-teams-that-could-surprise.html
May 27th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
why trade randy moss, for some higgins kid that aint gonna be on the roster in 2 seasons? why waste a 1st rounder on fabian? Also why is al davis still wearing jumpsuits? does this old foggie think he looks smooth?
May 27th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I got a feeling were gonna blow 5 or 6 games…….again and scrape for 4 wins! DAMN!
May 27th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The Raiders should have placed Nandi on the “non-exclusive” franchise player. That way he could have negotiated wih other teams and the Raiders could have matched his offer or received 2 1st rd picks.
I like Nandi, but I thought Routt also looked very impressive last year and will be just as good.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Pete,
We ranchers are just warming the globe one cow fart at a time:
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/farting_cow.GIF
May 27th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
i got a feeling yall are losers and we gone be a exciting young team on the verge of the playoffs den get TO next season and win are division
May 27th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
raidermike are you a true raider fan seriously
May 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
ok, MR. you want to be seen as more than a one-dimensional raider hater, and you haven’t been given that chance. we agree that much has been done by davis that has held the franchise back. i ask (challenge) you again: what have we done right this year, heaven knows we have not been asleep. and who would you like to see us aquire/cut on june 1st?
May 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Jim(CT RAIDER): how did it go this morning? i’ve had you in mind…
May 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
so back to the point after all the MR madness, what is the deal with aso? did al offer him a deal and aso would rather just by his time and leave after the season? if that is the case can we still place a tag of some sort on him next season?
May 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Actually MR, JaMarcus’s agent wanted an option bonus, which Al Davis was against after seeing what Vick received since he had an option bonus. So when you say crap like “Davis ended up signing Russell for what Russell ultimately demanded” you’re (as usual) incorrect.
To think that Kiffin wouldn’t want Lofton as his WR’s coach is quite hilarious. Someday you may become aware of the succes Lofton had in developing the WR’s down in San Diego and you combine that with our passing attack last year that rivaled that of Tom Walsh’s, it’s easy for a sane person(yes, this excludes you) to realize why Kiff would want him.
Oh, and the comment of Al ’showing up’ Kiff by drafting the top 2 talents from last 2 years–who both play offense–…I bet that’s really got an offensive-minded coach like Kiff ticked off.
BTW, don’t bother listening to Russell’s interview today. It shows how stupid your assertions are.
Lastly, thank you for removing ‘Madden’ from your name. I’m sure John Madden doesn’t want his name associated with a sack of sh*t like you who has nothing to do in his life besided rip his best friend all day and claim to be a fan of said best friend’s team.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
jason taylor bring him in are defensive would be top 5
May 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Some real info from the coach himself and notice how Al went to Kiffin to sell him on Lofton. He also says Ryan is the one that initially wanted to leave and he went to Davis for the final decision. Sounds to me like Al and Lane have been on the same page since day one but last year was a disappointment. Al has been very good to Kiffin no matter how the media spins it and this team will start to win under Kiffin over the next 2 years.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/05/SPQJ1005KG.DTL&hw=offseasons&sn=004&sc=455
May 27th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
and raidermike come on have some faith brotha. 8-8 min.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
#77, Mcfaddenswagon — Why perpetuate the stories of Raiders fans throwing stuff at players? Having been in dozens of professional venues, I can say — without a doubt — that Raiders fans throw far less on the field than fans in most other places I’ve been. And batteries? As an original PSL holder, with a block of seats in an up-close and primo position, I have never seen a single battery thrown — not one. I’m sure it’s happened, I’ve heard the stories, but not very often. There are far fewer such events than there are witnesses who claim to have seen them.
If you’ve been there and seen it, that’s one thing. If so, say how many times it happened before the “fan” got arrested. No doubt these things happen, all over the NFL — but if you’re seen throwing something on the field, you’ll get tossed (at the very least) and probably arrested. Usually with the help of the fans who are there to watch the game in a safe environment.
Not one single real fan would throw something at a player/coach/official at a game. Raiders games in Oakland are loaded with real fans, attending to watch real high-$$ entertainment…not to throw stuff and/or assault others.
McFwagon, I know you’re a fan, but your own stereotyping discredits other real fans.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
#87, I agree, the exclusive franchise player designation did not make much sense. I don’t know that Routt will be just as good as Nnamdi, though. And even if he is, let’s say hypothetically Nnamdi leaves after his franchise year, and Routt starts in ‘09 and kicks ass. Now we have two new problems:
A. Who’s our third corner behind Routt?
B. Now we have to pay Routt a mega contract because he is a free agent in ‘10.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
does jason taylor have enough left in the tank to pay him top money for what 2 years of work? isn’t he still hurting from getting smacked up by kristi yamaguchi (sorry for the spelling)
May 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I dont know spawn. If you see it post the link.
May 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I remember watching donkey fans throwing snowballs with batteries in them at Raider players and coaches one Monday night not that long ago.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
NFL network History of the Oakland Raiders about to come on.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
MRS: in the absence of a comment from your foe, your comments make alot of sense. i’d just like, for once and for all, to see MR either s**t or get off the dam* pot.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I dont like this
Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor has passed word through friends that he wants to play for the Chargers, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune. Sources familiar with the team’s decision-makers have said that the Chargers have no interest in Taylor. He has reportedly requested a trade from the Dolphins, but was quoted this week saying he would like to stay in Miami.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
hayes daze real good writing there, i agree i admitt it was a ignornant comment, and it was more of a overstatement then pure fact….on that note the raider fans are going to let Philip Rivers have it, for his antics last season. I respect your opinion Hayes Daze and your 100% right.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
predictions for 2008 and beyond (you heard it here first):
1. Darren McFadden will have a better pro career than his college career. He will be BETTER than advertised. So many critics claimed that McFadden benefited from a “gimmicky” offense scheme in the Wild Hog, but the way I see it, that only hampered him. All the defensive focus was on him, there was no passing game, and Felix Jones made huge runs because the defense focused on McFadden first and Jones 2nd. In Kiffins’ pillage and plunder west coast scheme, McFadden is going to be a BEAST.
2. Zach “The Truth” Miller is gonna be the centerpiece of our passing games for the next few years. His production in the middle of the field will set the table for deep passes to our recievers. Which will allow our passing game to thrive with mediocre speedsters like Walker, Carter, Shields and Schilenz.
3. The Raiders will double their sack total from last year. With an improved secondary, improved offense and a commitment to more blitzing, courtesy of Lane Kiffin’s first piece of defensive control.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
#100 Jason Taylor would still be an awesome player. He would improve our defense tremendously for the next few years considering what we have (or don’t have) at DE. But considering his age it wouldn’t be wise to trade a high draft pick for him. Miami probably won’t trade him for less than a 1st, maybe a 2nd. Unless we could talk them down to a 4th or 5th (or if they ended up being forced to cut him). Knowing the Raiders, they aren’t going to talk Miami down in price. If they really want a player, they pay what it takes to get him (whether it’s a good price for us or not), and if they don’t really want him, they aren’t going to be the team to get him for cheap.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
The mighty Al Davis, Salute!
May 27th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
This Deal:
Dakota – You toothless, dirty, gun loving hick, How’s it going?
Nice game last night. Oh, thats right, you missed it. You went to the movies with the wifey. How was Ironman? Did she let you get some Skittles?
Typical FAKER FAN.
Okay Faker fan, here’s the wager:
LOSER LEAVES TOWN MATCH
After My Celtics beat your Fakers in the finals you agree to never post your pointless drivel in here EVER, EVER again.
If by some miricle,and the Fakers somehow win the finals, I’ll agree to do the same.
I’m calling you out, Faker fan.
Are you a man or a mouse?
Ask your wife, I mean,…what do you say?
GO RAIDERS.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Trev .. if that happens… I think we’d put in Branch or…Bowe…as the 3rd DB
May 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
we need aso. w/o him, all our dreams of a great backfield come to naught. sign him already, al!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
aso’s going to get signed he has no other play as hes a restricted free agent.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I think the whole Hall deal was made with the total notion that Nnamdi would be with him… AD loves corners…and he loves two good corners twice as much…
May 27th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
MR says: “He (Russell) hasn’t been put to any test yet, other than a scrimmage against San Diego after they’d called of the dogs. When SD was putting a real D on him, he didn’t do jack.”
‘Called off the dogs? My a$$! That’s absolute and total BS (par for your course, though). Russell’s TD pass to Porter came in the third quarter of a game that was still very much in doubt. At the time, San Diego was battling it out with Pittsburgh to see who had to play Jacksonville. And if you think the Chargers didn’t care whether they drew the Jags or the Titans, then you’re even dumber than you smell.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Coinman – Take a bath,
You SMELL like MADDENRAIDER.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
that is my point i don’t think taylor is worth the trade or the money. sure he would improve our defense we are desperately thin at DE. but he is pushing 35, not too take anything away from jason, but i am tired of overpaying for players on their way out of the league. he still had a good season last year and will, more than likely, put up similar numbers this year. but the year after and so on he can’t do it anymore and we end up with another player (like Sapp the last few years) just eating up cash and a roster spot
May 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
RaiderTay: thanks for the info from sirius radio.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I wish we could trade Lamont Jordan for Jason Taylor. I think Taylor has atleast 2 more good years in him. Speed prolongs your career.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
McFwagon, I’d buy you a beer right now if I could. So, I’ll have one for myself and tip my hat your way.
BBB – Great predictions…I think #’s 2 and 3 are more likely to come true. If any two of the three come true, the team is greatly improved. If all three were to come true, this team is a playoff contender immediately — and for years to come. Wow, I remember what that was like!
May 27th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
The real title for that article should have been “31,000 People Who Claim to Have College Degrees Signed Petition that Says Global Warming May Not Be Caused by Humans.” Ironic–bad science to fabricate support for bad science.
Can we get back to the Raiders and off “statistics for idiots?”
May 27th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Bill P,
Sorry dude, I only post under one name, so the bet would mean more to me. You could be MR, or MRS, or Oakglenn for all I know, and if I won the bet you would stay here posting under those names, but if I lost I would man up and leave. Not quite a fair deal. I already put my name on the line against MR prior to the draft and he did not live up to his end, so I am done with those kind of bets…too many spineless a-holes on this blog.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
TheNation: i’d just like to see if there is anything there. if not, i’ll never address MR again. Call me an optomist. i think we’re going to the playoffs. don’t question my loyalty.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
9021 of the people have Ph.D.s you need to read before you make any stupid comments Raider Dawg.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I think the Hall deal was made incase Aso holds out but witht he intention of putting them on the field together.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Look no further than the article below as to why we won’t see Nnamdi in Training Camp.
Pro Football Talk: Porter Injured
Receiver Jerry Porter, one of the Jaguars’ new high-profile free-agent additions, reportedly has suffered a leg injury.
The news comes from our friends at 1010XL in Jacksonville, via the Big Cat Country blog.
Per the report, Porter slammed his helmet onto the ground, but then left the field under his own power. He apparently tweaked his knee.
It’s not serious, but it’s another example of the fact that, from time to time, these offseason workouts will prevent in-season participation.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Hayes,
Dont sleep on prediction #1, everything about McFadden says that he can run it up the gut and to the outside, he has been catching the ball out of the backfield and from the slot in practices. Kiffin is the perfect coach to exploit his unique talents without spreading him too thin. JaMarcus is the key to the long-term future of this franchise, but it will be McFadden that leads the immediate resurgence of the Raiders to national prominence.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
i cant wait for opening game stadiums gonna be rocking…hopefully we make it threw camp and preseason without any significant injuries
May 27th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Dakota, I’m not Oakglenn…again…Eyepatch, thanks for that link…
“We added some really good players who weren’t necessarily an exact need but they were something that was available to us at the time. Kind of like the draft, when you draft the best available as opposed to necessarily the right fit”
Yup I think MR is right, Kiff didn’t want McFadden did he?
May 27th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
every coach wants a player like Mcfadden especially a offensively minded one like kiffen, he’s probably lickin his chops on all the possibilities
May 27th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
i haven’t looked at the article but global warming isn’t necessarily caused by humans. the planet has been here about 4.6 billion years and we have only been around for a couple thousand years to say that we are the cause of global warming is presumptuous. a lot of the science concerning global warming is incomplete, and the propaganda spreaders of the world use this hot button topic to distract us from the atrocities occuring in the world.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
MaddenRaider Slapper Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Dakota, I’m not Oakglenn…_____________________________________________________
MRS,
Good to know. I never said you were.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
pollution, is thinning the ozone, which in turn isnt blocking as many sunreys, which leads to glaciers melting, sea levels rising, global warming.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
yea DMC was a present to kiffin. al wants to make sure he has the tools to win.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Yeah think about how much farting the dinosaurs did, a forty foot lizard fart x1 million plus.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
good point assassin…
May 27th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
sign oddell thurman, if he sucks we could cut him before the season starts. Also, should we sign chris henry? he’s a good receiver with off-field problems. It is Al Davis’ style to sign wanted men.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
the hole in the ozone has been shrinking for years and is now smaller than it has been since the late 90s (not quoting anybody this is just the last i heard). the chemical composition of the atmosphere used to be a lot different than it is today i guess humans are responsible for that change too.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Raiders #1, post 17:
Very nice observation and explanation of the details, and what the Raiders should do. I, for one, totally agree with you. I don’t understand the financial obligations, nor the limits surrounding contracts and bonus money. However, I would expect that the Raiders organization would have forseen what their total cost
would be when they entered “pre-season, the draft and the signing of the franchise player.” Assuming that, assuming they know what they’re doing, then what is the “freaking-problem?”
Note to Raiders Financial Department and Mr. Al Davis:
“We, as loyal Raiders fans, have suffered enough over the past five years. And, before making all these picks you must have accounted for the necessary money.
With that in mind, will you just ‘freaking’ sign Darren MaFadden and Nnamdi Osomugha so that we all can move on and have peace of mind for the up coming season.
Thanking you in advance, Mr. Al Davis and your financial negociators.
Just a Raiders fan from Riverside.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
the nation: this is america, a$$hole. everyone is supposed to get their chance, even those you hate. do you think the Raider organization hasn’t made mistakes? that would be dim-witted. do you hang tough anyway? yes. and hope for the best. that is a fan. i’m sorry to post an angry note, i try to avoid this. but post #116 was inexcusable…
May 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
so my friends dat are hot girlies ran into drew carter in vegas this weekend…..according to them down to earth sweet guy….why is he not in camp?
May 27th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Boy I sure wish that Mr.character would stay away from our Raider blog with all of that negative energy.I don`t know about you Nation but I`m EXTREMELY optomistic about this coming season and beyond.First of all we finally have a “franchise” quarterback.Anyone with doubts just check out the 67.8 completion % and the 167 passer rating as a JUNIOR WOW!! I understand that the pro game is different however those stats definently indicate that he can make ALL THE THROWS.With an average of only 9.1 yard per pass means that most of his throws were short to intermediate.So he is more than just a long passer.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
If we can add talent to any position at a cheap cost, we should do it – we don’t have any bad character people on this team, so I think we can afford to take a flyer on Odel Thurman. We desperatly need more talent at the LB position, and he’s cheap! Same goes for Shane Olivea – he’ll come cheap at this stage (if he’s ours) and the OT position doesn’t require the athletism that the OG positions do in the Zone Scheme.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Carter has been in camp and is jelling with Russell.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
and jelling wit hot chicks
May 27th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Riverside Raiders Fan: agreed. our play-action has to be credible. and the aquisition of hall becomes less than a push w/o nhamdi.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
So far, McFadden has won me over with his personality. If he stays healthy and out of trouble (same thing I say for all our players), he might just live-up to his substantial potential.
So many “ifs” all over the field, and still my optimism is hard to contain. This is finally the re-build year we’ve needed, but it could turn into something special itself.
Is it September yet?
May 27th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
With all of our off season acquisitions our offense should average no less than 24 points a game.Our recievers have enough speed to make the opposing defenses respect us. Our stable of running backs are the best we`ve had since Bo and Marcus.So if they attempt to put 8 in the box we will play action and kill them over the top.And if they drop into deep coverage we will average 6-7 yards per carry so pick your poison.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Is all of the money of a franchise tag contract guaranteed?
If it is, I would tell Nnamdi to sign for the 10Mil this year and goat them into it again next year. That’s $20mil guaranteed and then hit the market in ‘10. He’ll be 28yrs old.
This of course only works if all of the franchise money is guaranteed. What am I missing??
May 27th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
are O-Line was solid last year in running the ball yet we struggled in pass blocking, hopefully they can make some strides and give JMac a chance to look down field.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Saint thats what I was thinking 2 years of trying to sign the one year contract with an uncapped year on the horizon but he had better play well taking that path and not get hurt. If he is smart he will take a cool 70 million this year while he has the leverage and play football.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
As for our defense I feel that our defensive backfield will allow us to focus on stopping the run.We can afford to crowd the line of scrimmage and let our DB`S do there thing.I`m not worried about Nhamdi AL has always liked to pro bowl caliber corners on the field at the same time like Willie Brown-Skip Thomas, Hayes and Haynes, Eric Allen and Charles Woodson just to name a few so Al will keep both corners and build around that.As for our run defense it won`t be as much of a concern because they will be playing catch up
May 27th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
153… I’m Prime
May 27th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Eyepatch, I don’t see how an injury would be that detrimental. If you have a 10 year contract and get hurt in the first year you only get the guaranteed money, right? I don’t know how much security is built into their contracts for injuries and illness.
Seems to me Woodson made out. Nnamdi could do the same thing. Of course, I’d prefer he sign with the team for a long term deal but no way should they still be negotiating when camp begins.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
i will tell you this nnanda and hall are a much better match they the people you names Calvino
May 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
saintkauffman exactly. what if he is just trying to play al for big money? is aso that kind of guy? i’d like to think not.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
i don’t like all these questions surrounding contracts. al break out the checkbook and put the nation at ease.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
MR has caused nothing but havoc on this site. i’ve challenged this person three times to tell us what davis has done right (and he has done good things) and all i’ve gotten is silence. so be it. you guys debate him, and it just adds fuel to his negativity. i’m trying something different. that doesn’t make me less of a fan. pete peterson told me to make posts w/o saying that i’ve been a fan since the 60s. why? i’m proud of it. why should’t i be?
May 27th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
That MR guy is creepy, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered such a loser. He’s obviously not a Raiders fan, I wander why he spends so much time on this blog.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
saintkaufman,
Yes the franchise money is guaranteed but for only one year.If Nhamdi has a career ending injury then he would only get paid for that one year.If he signs a long term deal with a signing bonus of say $30 milion then the signing bonus is his injury or not.
May 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
#155 — OK Spawn, I’ll bite…
Hall and Asomugha are a better CB tandem than some of the greatest to ever play the game? Without having even lined-up in the same backfield yet?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Would any of you guys go into another team’s blog and start talking all kinds of crap about their team? What a waste of time. MR you are one pathetic individual.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
who is MR guy? havent seen any post with that name.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
MR is easy he never backs up any of his theories with links or quotes, he is just trying to get you guys to respond in anger.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
is a long term contract with aso not doable until after june first because of cap nonsense?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
They will have more money after the June first cuts because they can spread the cap hit over 2 years, thne they will sign who they need.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
just finished with the history of the oakland raiders on nfl network. i am drinking kool-aid and getting the fever i cant wait for the season.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
eyepatch: i think you’re right. i’m trying to call his bluff…
May 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
any word on what DMC is looking for in a contract yet?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Wow kinda weird. Just to let everyone know I work at Bestbuy in pleasant hill and I ran into Nnamdi yesterday. He was buying a computer and I talked to him for a little bit saying that we needed him in camp. He said he is going to try to come. Weird at the timing of this article as I ran into him yesterday. Really cool guy though
May 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
They forgot to mention the 76 championship team beat the steelers twice that year and blew out the bengals just to be able to beat the steelers for a second time.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Spawn in 2-3 years you may be correct Nhamdi has yet to make a pro bowl(should`ve been there in 06)Mike Haynes is in the hall of fame and Lester Hayes should be.So hopefully you`re right because that would mean we have the best cornerback tandem of all time.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
R8der0408: we need him. it’s just that simple.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
That part I get Calvino, thanks.
Injury or illness are the only 2 things that can “ruin” it for him. Sorry man, but $10mil today in my bank acct and I’m a playing mutha!!
That’s always been my problem with the franchise option. You get guys that are tagged because of their performance the previous year or 2, then they get the 1 year contract and play not to get hurt. This only hurts the team and usually the player is let go and plays awesome for his next team with a long term deal!!
May 27th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Hey MR NFL network says Davis’s Raiders could have played in 10 Superbowls but got cheated. I know you gotta love that! lol
May 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I have to agree with RAIDER#1, post #17
Asomugha should of been signed to along term contract after Fargas was signed. Hes a homegrown star that works hard studies film to be great. Hes a Kiffin type player and be interesting to know what the numbers were if he was offered a deal by the Raiders.
Especially a year when Al got so involved spent so much money and personally signed and brokered the Deal for CB HALL. ( a big name)
No Way- T.Kelly should of been signed before ASOMUGHA !!! Kelly was rewarded ‘cuase he wanted to leave!? ..what kind of management is that.
I support Mr. Davis but he should had Long Term deal in Place for own #21.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
i was hesitant for a while a asu first couple years but he has blossomed into a great cover corner who can guard big recievers. He took a while to learn offenses but he got it, he still lacks true speed as he occasionally gets beat deep over the middle, but this year with huff and his speed playing deep it shouldnt be a problem.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
i tell you i member contain Owens on his rookie year and after that he has become one of best cb in the league i know what you saying what about bailey and bly well i dont know what happen to them but i know these raiders cb will make it happen
May 27th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I thought he just graduated from some financial institution, he should be fine with a cool 70 million.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
tommy kelly wanted to leave
May 27th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
i love how we dont hide from our failings (superbowl losses) in a raider movie. i hope we are on the verge of starting our next great run. the last few years have been tough but like i always say “every sunday is the superbowl as long as the raiders are playing”.
and to the contract talk nothing is gonna happen with namdi until after june 1st cap spread issue
not to long to the donkey beat down on monday night boys
May 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
That was a rumor there are no direct quotes to support Kelly wanted to leave. He played well and other teams wanted him and Sapp retired is why they resigned him.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
$10 Mill is a lot of coins to normal people like us.However it would benefit the team as well as Nhamdi to sign a long term deal.simply because it gives the team more options to restructure his contract to save cap room to sign future players.Remember those long term contracts as mostly back loaded any way.It benfits Nhamdi because of the signing bonus.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
#172, Calvino — That was the most accurate post of the day.
However…your earlier comment that the WR’s have enough speed that defenses respect us for it, is not supported in fact. They MAY have speed, but they haven’t proven it in their new environs or (allegedly-healthy bodies).
The WR’s with the most flat-out speed are probably our youngest, and those guys don’t yet know how to get open against big-league competition. That type training is the biggest reason why Lofton was hired (conspiracy theory aside)…Freddy B. is no longer here to do it.
The WR’s are as big an “if” as any position on the team.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Ooops, Calvino. Asomugha was at the Pro Bowl. But the other stuff, about the Hall Of Fame, etc., that was right-on.
Lester Hayes had the single greatest season a CB ever had, and helped his team win the Super Bowl doing it — no hollow stats! Lester Hayes was one of the best-ever at his position. Period.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Reports from camp say Russell, Carter, and Miller are already in sync and walker is just a step behind becuase of his conditioning after surgery. Watkins has looked good too.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
yeah wide reciever a proven possession reciever, walker a big play threat when “healthy” which is a coin fip with him, drew carter unproven.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Stabler, Branch, Plunkett, and Hayes should have been inducted already.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
They are better than Porter and he is already hurt.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
curry a proven possession reciever.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Don’t fool yourself Hayes used stickum that year and made some catches impossible to make without it, I remember one interception just stuck to his jersey.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
lester the molester was a beast, master of the bump and run….. yet he was no deion sanders, who was head and shoulders the best at his position.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Hayesdaze #37,
You are absolutely right WR. Is our biggest question,I was only comparing to what we`ve had in the past.But I`m confident that our running game with open up passing lanes and the DB`S will have to play at least 5-7 yards off the line because of the size,speed ,and strenght of our recievers.If they play us head up then we can throw slants and go routes and kill`em
May 27th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Dakota- Typical Faker Fan.
If you had any confidence in YOUR team, you’d man up.
The fact that you admit that the stakes are too high, says ALOT about you.
PU$$Y.
Go Celtics.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
ite i’ll take the bet…lakers to the shiip
May 27th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
on behalf of dakota i’ll take that bet i will abandon this blog if lakers dont beat the celtics, in the ship.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
“BART Bridge Balla Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Hayes,
Dont sleep on prediction #1, everything about McFadden says that he can run it up the gut and to the outside”
The location of the run isn’t the issue with McFadden. The question is whether he can get something out of nothing when the blocking isn’t there, and whether he can hold on to the football. I have doubts about his vision, ability to keep his feet moving when hit, and lateral movement in tight spaces. The reports from camp so far indicate that he is holding on to the ball well but it really doesn’t mean anything until he gets into the games and either fumbles or doesn’t.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Yes Nhamdi was “AT” the pro bowl but he didn`t get the call in time to catch the flight.And that was as an alternate.Hayes and Haynes have never been alternates.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Lol. Whatever troll.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
bill pickel lets bet it,put it on the board lakers over the celtics in 6
May 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
All you need to do is watch the big games McFadden was in to conclude, yes he can do it all. Ask Dorsey, he could not stop him last year.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Eyepatch — Trying to be as objective as possible, and comparing these players to their peers, I’d say these players definitely should be in the Hall…
Yes: Cliff Branch, Lester Hayes and Ray Guy.
Maybe: Ken Stabler and Dave Casper.
Close, but not quite: the great Jim Plunkett
May 27th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
is timmy brown in the hall?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Hayesdaze #37
Dave Casper in the hall.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Trev Jo,
You can keep on doubting DMC, I will be optimistic enough for the both of us. McFadden won’t move piles, but I wouldn’t question his vision or his toughness, he has both of those in spades. My prediction isn’t that he will become Adrian Peterson, I predict only that he will be a bigger playmaker in Kiffin’s West Coast scheme than he was in the Wild Hog, which is a scary thought for defenses.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Mcfaddens a unique player sumwhere in between reggie bush and AP.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Dakota – I’ve been posting here for a year.
Just because I don’t post here every five minutes, that doesn’t make me a troll.
Just face it you have no faith in the Fakers, so it’s too big a risk for you.
You like to run your mouth, but you can’t back it up.
You’re scared.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I watched Brown drop more big catches in meaningful games than any Raider receiver that is not in yet. Branch needs to be is first.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Not sure if this got posted on the blog…
Sup guys,
Just wanted to share my story…. I was in vegas this past weekend and I was in Caesar Palace walking with my girl when I saw this guy. Im like I know this guy and truly it was “Justin Fargas” from the raiders. Justin was a bit quiet not very outspoken, not sure if that is his personality or not. I ask a couple of questions about “if they are going to the super bowl, and how is DMAC” he said that DMAC looks good and fast. I wish I could’ve ask him a few more questions but my mind went blank and could not think of anything. Anyways, I got his autograph, unfortunately i didn’t have any of my raider’s gear with me. But I am glad I got his autograph though…
Then later I went to meet up with a friend of mine at “Tropicana” and I saw this tall, blue eye, white guy. Im like I think I know this guy…. This guy looks like “Madsen, TE, from raiders” I wanted to ask him if he was Madsen but my girl said if he was who I think he was what was he doing at Tropicana? But something inside me said that he was John Madsen from the raiders. For those that know or don’t know Tropicana Casino is not a very fancy casino in vegas. After thinking about it i didn’t go to ask him if he was or not. But thinking about it I really think he was John Madsen. Anyways, this is my story guys and wanted to share it… Next time i won’t listen to my girl..
Go Raiders!!!!!!!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
76 Raiders were the best team ever, Stabler needs to be in the HOF before anyone else then Branch.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Steve Wiznewski deserves some hall of fame consideration,he was a stud anyone out there agree?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Yep, you got me pissin’ my pants Bill, lol:
http://www.junkylife.com/junkyardsaint/wp-content/uploads/pixel_scared.png
May 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
no way timmie brown was the man. never had a great qb gannon close but not great and still put up huge numbers
May 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Mcfaddenwagon – It’s a deal.
Finally, a Faker fan with faith in his team.
Way to man up.
Go Celtics.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Bill Pickel
Dakota is right. Why take a bet from from someone who will just post under another name. When you lose, you’ll just change your name to “PU$$Y.” lol
May 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
dakota let me handle ur light weight….bill lets go me and you dogg, lakers celtics.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Throwing money at guys who have shown little or nothing their entire careers and are coming off injuries, (see Kelly and Walker) and not signing Nhandi would be a travesty. HOWEVER…The delay may have nothing to do with willing parties.
After June 1 you can expect guys like Jordan to be booted to clear cap space. This space will be needed to sign Nhandi and our draft picks.
The delay actually could indicate that a long term deal is brewing once cap room is cleared.
Olivia would be a iffy proposition. He is not a quick guy. If we wanted a guy like him at half the age and price, we could’ve kept Boothe. Better to add depth with guys who actually can become long-term contributors.
June 1st is the next big day in the NFL. Don’t sign Thurman or anybody else until you see who becomes cap casualties. Every team has guys like Lamont Jordan who is a decent back-up type but not worth his salary. It’s not like anybody still on the market is in demand.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Eyepatch, I don’t know what INT that was, could you name the game/year? Unfortunately, what highlights of The Judge that do get shown on TV concentrate on the Stick-Em instead of the man. Lester was The Man on a defense loaded with Hall Of Fame Talent. Watch some old film and see what the NFL knew for about 5-6 straight years…nobody could cover a man one-on-one better than Lester Hayes.
If Lester could speak more clearly in-public when he was younger, at the height of his career, he wouid be in the Hall right now — Raider-hater voters and all.
A guy like Lester would be a huge star in today’s NFL — there are far too few real characters with character in the league now.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Celtics….it took them what, 20 years to rebuild? Lol.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Ha, oops myself.
Maybe: Todd Christiansen
May 27th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Bill, I found your picture on the web:
http://www.aolcdn.com/aolpolltool/klosterman-celtics
May 27th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Dakota – Do we have a friendly wager or what?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
so tim brown is not in the hall yet?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Talk to me again when the Celtics and Lakers are in the finals.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
And Calvino — Another good call. I think when Wiz is up, he’ll have a serious shot of induction — assuming the voters will vote objectively. I know better.
May 27th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Bill
I’ll bet you a jersey that the Lakers beat the Celtics if they are both in the finals.
I don’t care (and no one else does either) if you ever post here again, so your first best is BS. But I will put up a jersey that the Lakers beat the Celtics if they meet in the finals.
Deal?
May 27th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
i say tim brown first ballot hall of famer
May 27th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
question is there any quarterback not in the HOF that has two superbowls? (i dont know the answer)
May 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
HD#37: i agree about Hayes. the way he used to beg recievers to come his way, and qbs to throw in his direction, was nothing short of magnificent. he is one of my favorite Raiders, along with Hendricks and Stabler.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
hey eyepatch where is that info about todays pratice of the raiders
May 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
besides jim plunkett
May 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Lakers will be up 3-1 when the night is done!!!!
Enjoy all!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
hey eyepatch where is the info
May 27th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
There are a couple QB’s in the Hall that have gone to four, and they were both 0-4.
That ‘76 team was great…but, the team with Marcus and Howie and Hayes and Haynes (and so-on) would’ve beat the ‘76 team.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
seatown… add do that … a two time winning coach
May 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Seatown — You’re having surgery soon? Tell Dr. Hayes#37 about it…
May 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
The 0-4 Super Bowl QB’s are Tarkenton (in the HOF), Elway (Later won 2 in the HOF), and Kelly (in the HOF). I don’t think there are any QB’s who have Started in 2 or more Super Bowls (win or lose) and are not in the HOF besides Plunkett. Kurt Warner (1-1) and Tom Brady and Favre (1-1) are not eligible yet.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Flores – 2 Super Bowls and 1st hispanic head coach? Please. Tell me he wouldn’t be in with any other club.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
This TX Raiders fan says…
GO SPURS!
May 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
We should have our own wing, at the HOF, with our current members and all the others that should be in.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Come on Bill, are you a:
http://www.supyo.com/home/crazypics/images_13/Freaky%20Cat.jpg
May 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
#205 I didn’t question his toughness. I’m not sure why you’re so sold on his vision. Seemed he was able to run the play as designed but otherwise did not show patience or find the alternate route when needed. I think lack of vision/lack of lateral moves go hand in hand with him.
And I think you’re crazy if you think he’ll be better in the pros than he was in college. Your theory that the Wild Hog was good for Jones and bad for McFadden absolutely reeks of wishful thinking; That offense was tailor-made for both of them.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
For all the rest of us know, you guys betting against each other might be the same guy betting against himself.
All the macho posturing on an anonymous blog is funny.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Dakota…..#242 looks pi$$ed to me.lol..
May 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Macho?
http://machothesperm.com/MachoBlack.jpg
May 27th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Receiver Jerry Porter, one of the Jaguars’ new high-profile free-agent additions, reportedly has suffered a leg injury.
The news comes from our friends at 1010XL in Jacksonville, via the Big Cat Country blog.
Per the report, Porter slammed his helmet onto the ground, but then left the field under his own power. He apparently tweaked his knee.
It’s not serious, but it’s another example of the fact that, from time to time, these offseason workouts will prevent in-season participation.
……..
Raider TW, things like this make me think of that karma thing
May 27th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Dakota – I think it’s pathetic that you wouldn’t accept my bet, but I WILL ACCEPT YOUR BET.
Faker Fans make me sick.
Go Celtics.
P.S. Your still a pu$$y.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Lol, it is a bet then…I’ll take an XL Bynum Jersey.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
thats funny that porter is hurt
man i use to like that guy
May 27th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
let me get in on this for a paul gasol in white please
May 27th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
i was on a cruise with several raiders just before they won their first superbowl. stabler was just an average guy, although he had just won mvp. we sat in the bar and wondered what was wrong with the warriors. friendly and personable were art thoms, phil villapiano, several linemen who i can’t remember who said madden was an a$$hole. i lost in ping-pong against pete banazak 19-21 (he had just tied o.j.simpson with 16 tds), with stabler buying drinks and george atkinson cheering me on, (he was very approachable but a little intimidating). it was a great experience, and i had heard that the winer cruise the month before had been a great disappointment as the players just stayed alone. anyway, lester HOF, stabler HOF, villapiano HOF. if not, they ought to just close the place.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
sounds like a hellof a time coinman
May 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Lakers by 9. In a hard fought, close game.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
() helps you get by the mods…
May 27th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
k rock… are you seeing a tee shirt with a pair of middle fingers too???
May 27th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
LB Kirk Morrison on NFL Total Access Wed. at 7pm ET.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
lakers by 5 with odom goin for 23 points and 12 rebounds 5 assist
May 27th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
tonio…
Why? Is that in reference to the Spurs comment?
May 27th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Spurs by 15…
No way they blow that game 1 lead if they weren’t sleeping in a freakin Airport.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Dakota: what is wrong with that? the red army was, in WWII, an american ally- and many more of them died defeating the nazis than did americans. for a great read, check out the “battle of kursk”, where they broke the back of german armor forever…
May 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
no…that’s in reference to Porter…at training camp two years ago…
May 27th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Why do you Cali guys not like the Warriors?
May 27th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
LOL…
I forgot about Porter doing that.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
K-Rock, Steve Nash asked me to post this, lol:
http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/spurs-DIRTY-shirt.jpg
May 27th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
i love the warriors
May 27th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
hayes i have two discs that have to come out and then have to be fused together. this was caused by a incident at work. l&i doesnt want to pay so i am playing the waiting game until they change their mind, thanks for asking
May 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
K-Rock,
This is why they don’t like the Ws:
http://sfist.com/attachments/sfist_jon/2226282502_40b21c5c18.jpg
Baron Davis at his best
May 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Hopefully Kirk Morrison will express his desire to return to outside linebacker.And hopefully we can get a proven middle LB like Jeremiah Trotter.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
this isnt a basketball blog ok this is raiders blog
May 27th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Dakota…
I like it.
Nash should get a shirt that says LOSER, LOSER, and LOSER on it.
oh yeah, He can put Nash on the front. No team required, he loses everywhere he goes.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Yeah! Shut up about the NBA already!
May 27th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Lol, good one K-Rock.
Nash is a pu$$y.
May 27th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
college basketball sux and so does nba
May 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
i am play madden 08 now and JLH ran 2 punt return TDs i think we keep him
May 27th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Its not posted yet looks like.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
i am play the BOLTS
May 27th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Saint if Aso attends a camp unsigned he gets no money, if he blows out a knee between this season and the end of next year playing the franchise tag game he looses money.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Seaport — I’m close to someone with similar problems. What level/s will be the fusion?
May 27th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I disagree on the 83 team beating the 76 team for one reason. Nobody could cover Biletnikoff, he is the one who passed on the stickum to Hayes.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
l4 l5 s1
May 27th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
end of the first half and LT only has -4 rushing yards
May 27th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
And Casper. Make that 2 reasons.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
patch… you don’t think Hayes or Hanes could cover Freddy B?
May 27th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
wow Bush ploud merriam and broke merriam leg
May 27th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
The 0-4 Super Bowl QB’s are Tarkenton (in the HOF), Elway (Later won 2 in the HOF), and Kelly (in the HOF).
Elway was NOT 0-4 in Super Bowl games before winning his last two. He ended his career 2-3 in SB games.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Its fun to watch Lambert cry about how the 76 Steelers defense was the best ever yet the Raiders scored 58 points on them, beating them twice. That Steelers team never beat the Raiders again in the post season.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
No not consistantly especially with Stabler throwing to him for a decade .
May 27th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Hayes and Haynes could not cover Branch either.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
chargers choke, post 55:
Nice post, it’s a dose of reality. They definitely need a salary cap on unproven rookies
May 27th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Branch was 155 lbs and played in the bump and run era, 3 Superbowl rings should put him in the HOF without debate.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I think branch would be more of an issue than Freddy.. but I can’t argue too hard either way
May 27th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
that’d be a fun madden game to play though…
May 27th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Branch’s stats virtually mirror those of John Stallworth, and we never hear Branch’s name mentioned with the great WR’s of the day.
Branch’s stats absolutely blow-away those of Lynn Swann — who, without his unbelievable showings in the Super Bowl, wouldn’t even be near the Hall.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Seatown — Sorry, missed your reply. How are your legs? Any issues above L4? Are you walking while you await surgery? Are you getting it done whether or not you have insurance? Big $$!!
May 27th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Once again….DMAC RAN ALL OVER GLENN DORSEY AND THE WHOLE LSU DEFENSE! haha
May 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Swanns stats are not even in any of the top 50 major category’s they rank while Branch ranks 47th for yards and 31st for touchdowns.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
hayes tell your friend i sympathize with them it is not something that one should have to go through. the pain is immense at times and very debilitating. On the bright side i have been told that once the surgery is done it will cut down on the pain and i may get back to some sort of normal lifestyle. when is your friend having surgery
May 27th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
i try and walk and move around a little but the more active i am the more it hurts so i am limited in what i can do. all my issues are in the lowest part L4-L5-S1. The surgery i am told is big money but if it helps and they wont pay i guess i may have to look into paying for it myself. i cant stay like this that for sure.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Had it…The legs are reported much better, with 90% or-so less spasms, but still lots of small ones. Pain in the legs is greatly reduced, with numbness and tingling still. Long time in hardshell back-brace and physical therapy. Rough week in hospital, but reported feeling much better in about one month. Problem is, other problems higher-up are now a big issue. Surgery was given big thumbs-up for what it accomplished.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Branch was better longer than Stallworth… it’s sick that he’s not in
May 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Priceless and timeless.
http://www.raiders.com/common/article.aspx?id=1234
May 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Hey raider nation my kid could use a bit of Raider cheer if u use myspase go to chase castomyspace heis in deepwater tell him never give up on the raiders n his dad loves him thanx
May 27th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Stabler beat all the great teams of his era that faced him at least once.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
yeah i have heard the u are more vulnerable to back problems on the discs higher up once u have the surgery. i am glad to hear that it helped i am a little nervous about the procedure but they say it is the only way i will get better. they have to cut me open from the front and the back to do what they say needs to get done. did your friend have it done the same way or only from the back?
May 27th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
so how do i get that vidoe of morrison being interviewed
May 27th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
i agree stabler should be in the HOF but i just dont know if its gonna happen. And the fact that flores and plunkett are not just boggles my mind.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
coinman: i’m signed. hahahaha i start monday. in the meantime i’m driving up to chicago in the morning. I’m going to the cub/dodger game that will be on espn (8est). I’ll be the one in silver and black! hahahaha
CT RAIDER
May 27th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Stabler’s legend dwarfs anything Lynn Swann accomplished in his career of a few shining moments. Lynn Swann is one of the least-qualified Hall inductees in histroy.
Stabler is as worthy as Fran Tarkenton or Jim Kelly to be in the Hall. Snake was a great QB, in the dirt and in-yer-face. He knew how to win, but his stats are pretty ugly due to his gamblin’ ways.
May 27th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
oh.. one thing.. i fired momentarily when i told my vp that he should remove his KC Chief emblem from his grill (in his office. it was given to him by an ex employee). I have aug 7th off.. dodgers/cards 1pm, and i have sep 15th (raider/kc on the 14th) off!
CT
May 27th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Seatown — can’t say much more, except they had to go through the back down lower. Through the abdomen higher, the new way to do it, cuts a lot less of the big back muscle. That should mean a quicker/easier recovery. Good luck with it, and I’d recommend not waiting too long — you only have one first chance to fix it right, before it’s too late.
May 27th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Well well well…been on vacation for about a week (left the country) ..actually I’m still on vacation until next week. And boy did I come back to some news. Stu is cut? Wow. For the record…I don’t think Stu was necessarily a bad player but a decent player put in bad situations. But in this league we all know decent won’t cut it for long esp when you getting paid bigger bucks. We got the same “decent” play out of a cheaper Hiram Eugene. He will likely start for someone else; but he will likely suffer from the same ailments as he did in Oakland (i.e. poor open field tackling, play it safe, take no risk, lack of instincts type of player).
As of right now I have little faith in Huff. I haven’t seen much for me to grant such blind trust in his ability. Huff missed many open field tackles at SS – MANY (whiffs..). Huff too was a play it safe type taking minimal risks. His coverage skills were good but his tackling was poor. This will be Huff’s last chance and I’m not holding my breathe on it. Wait and see approach here – wait to see him vs Branch. If Huff can’t cut it and Branch looks like a demon; I expect Huff to be adios next year while Branch moves to SS and Wilson at FS. (I think Huff may be more instinctive that Stu).
And Tui is back …oh how the world turns.
May 27th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I appreciate the kind words and the concern. I hope it doesnt take to much longer to get settled and i can get on with the recovering. It has been nice to read the blog as it helps pass the time and now to post a few thoughts and get support from the nation is awesome. I hope to well enough to get to a game in 09′ but until then the directv will have to do. I am logging off for the night but i will c u all tomorrow. less then 110 days til football boys i cant hardly wait
May 27th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Stopping the run? Just man your freakin’ holes and tackle! tackle! TACKLE! That was the biggest problem last year: over-pursuing and tackling. Cutbacks were absolutely killing us b/c of the constant over-pursuit. So I don’t care if they got Hall and Nnamdi paired up so they can easily put 8 in the box. That 8 won’t make any difference if the team constantly over-pursues and don’t maintain gap discipline. (And I’m pointing the finger at you Ryan/Millard/Martindale).
The DT position is weak too. Expect it to be the first thing tested at season’s start. Terdell Sands? What has he ever done in this league to gain respect from the O? T.Kelly? Most injures of his kind takes time to fully recover and regain prior form even if he starts the season. Hopefully he’ll be back full speed by the halfway mark. “I play when I want to” Warren and the rest of the scrubs? …I’m not holding my breathe. Sorry for the gloomy portrait but that’s how it is until further evidence to the contrary.
Best bet is to score quick and fast to take away other teams run games – make them throw – then control the clock with our run game.
May 27th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Well I recant “slightly” ….Wilson may make a difference there with 8 in the box vs Huff last year. It could make a huge difference. ..”could”
May 27th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Jim(CTRAIDER): great news!!! Have fun at the game!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Terrapin: your’e right.gap discipline should be coachable. i liked it when someone said, in response to all the talk about “three techniques” that if the coaches just said: Terdell, get your fat a$$ up there and plug that hole, he will be bright enough to figure it out!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
HD#37: of course stabler belongs in the hall. it is hard to communicate what it was like to be four points down with a hostile crowd, two minutes to go, and to see him under center. he was said to have ice-water, not blood, in his veins. you’d see him with a slight smile and you KNEW it would be biletnikoff for 15, biletnikoff for 12,a couple of runs, branch or siani for 22, and then TD to who knows who with 3 seconds to go. i mean YOU KNEW this!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
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May 27th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
NATION What is UP???????
The 76 Raiders were the S#!T, 13-1, SB winners. Lead by the one and only Kenny the SNAKE Stabler. Every time that team was on the field no matter how far down they were you knew they were going to pull it out. That team has a few HOF’s on it already. Awesome squad……………
Snake was the man, my favorite QB ever.
May 27th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
HOF’s from the 76 squad,
Willie Brown
Gene Upshaw
Fred Bilitnikoff
Art Shell
Ted Hendricks
Dave Casper
*Coach Madden
6 players 1 coach. They have a bunch of other players that should be in the hall
In my opinion best team ever 16-1
May 27th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Gotta hand it to the Lakers.
Fresh legs win the race. Spurs look tired.
May 27th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Spurs get screwed on the last play of the game.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Lakers 93…spurs 91….GO LAKERS.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Yeah baby.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
You guys cheering that win can’t say anything about the Tuck game anymore.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
I hear ya Scotty,…the NBA is a drag,…hey did you know I used to get ready to kill women back in my heyday by listening to Megadeth and AC/DC?….I love metal.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Oh come on K-rock, Barry is never going to get that call. You know it, he knew it…they blew their shot and wanted the ref to bail them out….not gonna happen. Besides, check the FT disparity during this series. The Spurs get most of the calls.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
The fact that Namdi has not signed the tender is a sign that the Raiders and Namdi’s camp are negotiating in good faith. The exclusive franchise tag guarantees Namdi a big pay day especially after the Samuel, Trufant, Newman and of course the D. Hall signings. Namdi is a true cover corner and might be the best shut down corner in the league. He will get a bigger pay day than all the above mentioned corners. Only Samuel can even be considered as being the same caliber of player: I doubt it because he never played man to man coverage in New England’s zone coverage defense.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Spurs got screwed ???
Puh-leeze!
Kobe taking 29 shots and not getting to the line one time?
Odom and Fisher on the bench for most of the game in foul trouble?
How much help from the whistles do you need?
Geeze!
May 27th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Eye Patch, post 188:
And, add Tom Flores…Won “two-freaking-Super-Bowls.”
Coached ten years for us. His win percentage was as close or as good as John Madden, who only won 1 SB?????????????????????????????????????????????
May 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
You have to earn victories in the playoffs. nothing is handed to you.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
SP,
you are a sick fuk…and that means a lot coming from this sick fuk.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Pop just said it was a proper no-call.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Geez Scotty,..thats gross…hey I love that movie JAWS though,…I like listening to Megadeth,..Maiden,…Slipknot…then go meet a nice lady,..then,..well you know,..hey Im the Night Stalker baby!
May 27th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Pop is a stand up dude. He’s not going to make any lame excuses. Tim Duncan was 10-26, how about him making a few more shots instead of crying about a foul at the buzzer.
Class acts from SA.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Pop just didnt want to blame the refs for a loss, that was a foul as plain as day.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
That foul NEVER gets called in the NBA. Whe was the last time a ref blew the whistle at the buzzer?
May 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Well, if you want to cry about it, then the ref should have called the travel Barry did when he shuffled his feet prior to the “foul”, lol.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
SP: get off this site. you are subhuman, and have nothing to offer about the RAIDERS, presumably why we are here…
May 27th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Or,
we could cry about how D Fish’s shot hit the rim, so Barry shouldn’t have even been in that position.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Subhuman,..hey thats a great name for a metal band!…by the way speaking of metal,..we see Hetfield at most games in the west side club…Im not a huge Metallic fan,..corporate metal…but they did play the parking lot prior to Titans afc title game,..that was cool.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Hayes Daze, post 202:
Soooooooo much is put on winning Super Bowls. And, they’re many good players in the HOF who never won a Super Bowl.
So to your list, from my perspective, I would add Plunkett and Flores…they both won “two-freaking-Super-Bowls.” In my opinion, if they weren’t Raiders, but rather from other teams, they would both have been put in the Hall of Fame long time ago.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Look …
With the exception of that last call, this game was clearly reffed in favor of the Spurs. The Lakers will matter of factly have the game called in their favor on Thursday.
NBA refereeing is laughable, but every team has to play through it.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Coinman,..whats worse…me yappin about my dead baby or dorks in here goin on about the boring nba?
May 27th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Scotty,er Alameda is that the norcos and wine speaking or are you this stupid
May 27th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
off topic…Niners released UDFA Ezra Butler. He was projected to be drafted but received a one game suspension in college for pot. He then gets busted last night for DUI and Pot. He was considered great value when they signed him.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
The fact of the matter is is (?huh is that right?)that the Spurs were +13 in FT attempts at home and couldn’t get the job done. Nothing to cry about Spurs’ fans.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Hey Exla…I told you we would rip their hearts out in game 4.
Night all.
Oh yeah….goooo Raiders.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I did this one lady, in L.A., while listening to Megadeths “Sweating Bullets”,…raped/killed one in Watts while jammin to Hells Bells…wish they would throw an Ozzfest here in Quenton.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Night Dakota,..knew the nba would put you to sleep. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…..
May 27th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Seatown Raider, post 228:
JIM “FREAKING” PLUNKETT….WON TWO SUPER BOWLS AND MVP,
but he’s a Raider, which means you have to do a lot, lot more than the average inductee!!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Scott,..Richard,..please,..this is a nice respectable room,…no need for the likes of you guys in here.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Coach on Wheels, post #238:
You’re right on the nail. Flores being a Raider and Hispanic has probably kept him out of the HOF.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Riverside,..my point too,..Im hispanic,…thats why they put me on death row,..that and I like metal.
May 27th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Richard,.. man are you the real Richard Ramirez,.. that dude who likes guys,.. but settled for woman,..
May 27th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Spawn, post 269:
Who appointed you the “blog Security Guard?” Many, many people here post their side comments from sports to politics to childish and even ignorant comments. It’s the nature of the beast. I for one, will post comments when the Lakers win.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
where is maden r,..is he the norco dealer,..or just a laker fan
May 27th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
well with june here soon r we the team that sighned ot from chargers olivia n espn said kr wr from gb is in our plans would rather sighn c henry n thurmon jus asking.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
has anybody heard from alameda,..he got me hooked on narcos and wine,.. he is the insider
May 27th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
If AL died wouldnt you like to see Mark Cuban buy the team?
May 27th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Coinman, post 316…you’re so right on the “fat ass just plug the hole.” It’s rather simple, I don’t understand the problem?
May 27th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
manny ramirez to the raiders
May 27th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
K-rock post 323…
Lakers usually get screwed throughout the hole game, not just on one play, even if it’s the last. Big deal.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
i dont think nnamdi wants to stay here, let nnamdi go to a new team and collect some draft picks.
Its time to allow lane to go back to the ncaa, and elevate james lofton to head coach, jamarcus would do well having an african-american father figure type such as james lofton to guide him.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
J-Hill, post 333:
Again, you’re so right on. Thanks for the stats. Hopefully we can close them out at home in game #5.
Go Lakers.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
lakers and kobe deserves a title, i want kobe to silence all his critics, I also want los angeles to stop asking for an expansion team, and just continue to support the raiders, the raiders need to invite kobe to a game next season and give him a #24 silver & black raiders jersey. Kobe is the franchise player, the reigning MVP, kobe is to the lakers, what marcus allen was to the raiders, a franchise player, underappreciated, and a the hardest worker in the room
May 27th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Arturo: if we don’t keep nhamdi, then our aquisition of hall is less than a push, and we’ve accomplished nothing. we need him. damit al, sign him already!!!
May 27th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
all you laker fans. jeez. i thought this was a raider site. i’m a warrior fan- yes, the team that got jobbed this year. at least i’m consistent…
May 27th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Just checking in. Apologies for not reading all 370+ comments before posting.
I’m not too worried about Nnamdi yet. I agree with Dick V (332) that Nnamdi’s not signing the tender suggests that negotiations continue. You know that AD values corners very highly and that he has no problem paying players what he thinks is fair, including top dollar for top players — especially vets still on the rise. One consideration might be signing DMac first to have a better sense of how much money is available to guarantee over the next year or two as compared to subsequent years. Another might be clearing Jordan’s contract come June 1. Does anyone know if there is an off-season salary cap compliance date coming up?
May 27th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
arturo: you want to get rid of kiffin too? you want us to play “musical coaches” yet again? let’s have some consistency for a change; let the players learn a system and perfect it. you don’t see the successful teams out there changing coaches every year, do you?
May 27th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Look whos at it again…but with a different team. Thank God hes gone.
PFT.com
PORTER GETS INJURED
Posted by Mike Florio on May 27, 2008, 5:06 p.m.
Receiver Jerry Porter, one of the Jaguars’ new high-profile free-agent additions, reportedly has suffered a leg injury.
The news comes from our friends at 1010XL in Jacksonville, via the Big Cat Country blog.
Per the report, Porter slammed his helmet onto the ground, but then left the field under his own power. He apparently tweaked his knee.
It’s not serious, but it’s another example of the fact that, from time to time, these offseason workouts will prevent in-season participation.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
I hope the Raiders are the ones that signed Shane Olivea. You can never have enough talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
F’ the Lakers. You should all move to L.A. crappiest city outside of Mississippi. Real Raiders fans are Warriors fans.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
I also believe that having Nnamdi is one of the reasons AD spent the money to get Hall. The combination of having two top corners is more valuable than the sum of the parts. Because it allows you to play man-to-man consistently, you can do other things with the rest of the defense. Because Nnamdi is such a great cover corner, it enhances the odds of balls being thrown at Hall, increasing his opportunities for interceptions. Also, AD would not have traded Fabian Washington for a mid-round pick if there was any thought of not doing what it takes to keep Nnamdi.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
WOW! So Kawakami believes we have an overpaid QB’s coach listed as our Head Coach right now? Where do these guys come up with this stuff?
PFT.com
WAS KIFFIN KEPT TO DEVELOP RUSSELL?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 27, 2008, 7:03 a.m.
Though some continue to believe that Raiders coach Lane Kiffin will be fired before the start of the 2008 regular season, Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News thinks that Kiffin has been kept around to help develop quarterback JaMarcus Russell, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft.
Even though Kiffin has by all appearances been frozen out of the defensive side of the ball and at best shares offensive authority with coordinator Greg Knapp and receivers coach James Lofton, Kiffin is the guy who’s responsible for the quarterback position. And that’s the position where the team has made its most recent huge investment.
Kiffin raved last week about Russell’s development. “You see the same thing I do: This is not the same JaMarcus we saw a year ago,” Kiffin said. “The way he moves around and the way he’s zipping the ball around and the confidence he’s throwing with. It’s exciting right now.”
Kawakami also believes that one of Kiffin’s goals is to increase Russell’s completion percentage to 65 percent. Assisting in this regard could be 2008 first-rounder Darren McFadden, who could take short passes and take the up the field.
May 27th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
If Al blows this he’s nuts. Nmandi is the best draft pick he’s made since … who knows … a long, long time. Failing to lock him up long-term would just be stupendously unbelievable. There is still time, so no need to be too crazy yet, but man.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Agree, Huff. While QB development is important, the report unrealistically trivializes Kiffin’s role. Kiffin has the keys to the offense — including the running game, the integration of DMac with Bush and Fargas, etc. Teamwide, Kiffin will continue to set the overall tone as he did last year. Plus, who does Kawakami think will decide whether to go on fourth and two? — whether to try a 58-yd field goal or punt?
May 27th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Agree or disagree, I will give Kawakami this: I got to open the sports section this morning and at least read something about the Raiders. And despite his unrealistically narrow view of Kiffin’s role, at least he supports the more general theme that AD does not want Kiffin to go anywhere.
But the notion that Kiffin doesn’t have charge of the offense? I just don’t buy it.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Coinman, post 373:
It’s ok that you’re a Warriors fan. It should go with the territory, or something special and dynamic about the team you love. And, you’re consistent. I like that.
I can’t stand “jumpers.” I mentioned it in a post a few days ago. Jumpers = from one team to the next.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Coinman…correction post 375
May 27th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Arturo, post 371:
You’re way off base on this post. Don’t know where you’re coming from. Then on your post 373 you come out with some love for Kobe (that’s ok as I’m a Lakers fan.)
Sounds like your from LA, so I suggest you update your thinking on our Raiders and go with the flow. Be more positive with what we have, unless you’re a hater.
Suggestion: If you’re from LA, go down to King Taco and eat the best “fast-food-mexican-food-in-all-of-California.”
May 27th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
GRaider i agree
kawakami is just throwing his two cents into the already flooded pool of rumors. i think kiffin’s role in the offseason has been completely understated by the media (especially the draft and the lofton signing) and that al&co. are looking forward to a new season, not back at the garbage these writers keep dredging up.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Riverside: i can’t stand “jumpers” either. i call them “front runners”. being a warriors fan has not always been easy, but i would never change allegence any more than i would change from the raiders. but i respect someone from Riverside being a lakers fan. no offence intended.
May 27th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
bandwagon jumpers are not even fans!
May 27th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
GRaider, post 381:
Excellent Post. Informative and logical, doesn’t get any better than that. Right on. Go Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:22 am
king taco makes the best tacos in cali, there’s no spot like that in norcal.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:43 am
someone on the last strand just reported that he heard dennis green was to replace kiffin. i asked him for his source. hope not…
May 28th, 2008 at 12:55 am
actually coinman,vince lombardi is in alameda talking to al about the hc job.heard this from an inside source.see how easy it is.and hayes-per post 234-no friggin’ way.the 76 raiders were one of if not the best all time nfl teams.they just don’t get the love.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Lefty 12: guess you’re right. no source listed by informant on last strand. agree on ‘76 raider team.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:00 am
dennis green couldnt fix wiper blades
May 28th, 2008 at 2:15 am
Freddy B was on 1140 here in Sac today, and he said that he’s sick of “people” getting excited about players just because they’re athletes. Says the combine is a joke, and nothing means anything until the guy is on the field in an NFL game.
Also said the personnel has been atrocious in recent years. Said we’ve been fielding teams with “back up” players, that probably wouldn’t start anywhere else.
Oh, but he never said anything bad about Al Davis. So, obviously, he still thinks Al is a genius. I mean, I’m sure he wasn’t alluding to Al’s management of the team at all when making the above statements…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:58 am
how many people does there live in the entire bay area?
May 28th, 2008 at 5:59 am
3 down 1 to go,
GO LAKER”S
May 28th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Again MR spins his fantasy, has no proof of what FB thinks about Davis, no link, no quotes, nothing.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:27 am
well we have been a back-up team…. its obvious… but you cant fire all 53men, so few every year, and hopefully some starters…
I was kicked around here over a year ago, when I said Zack Crockett needed to go, ASAP, “how could I say that about someone who has done so much for us” well if he cant do what he has done for us anymore WHY KEEP’EM?
same goes with a lot of players, a lot of fans here fall in love with a guy on the expectations of what he MIGHT bring… we need football players, not athletes or talents and Kiffin knows this, look what he has done with all the Al Davis scholarship kids?
May 28th, 2008 at 6:35 am
Kiffin brought in the most athletic players they could find this off season because they had players like Crockett,Schweigert,Simms,Sapp, ect.. that were considered good players but not great athletes. We need more good players that are athletes and thats what Kiffin is trying to do.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Crockett, Schweigert, Sims, Sapp, GOOD players?
perhaps in 2003, but not since
May 28th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Exactly, the roster had to be overhauled.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:42 am
30% of the 2006 team would never be hired by another NFL team… we have long way to go, before we can brag about our team
May 28th, 2008 at 6:45 am
30% of the 2006 team would never be hired by another NFL team… we have long way to go, before we can brag about our team
50% would be so-so backups on other teams
20% could be starters in other teams…
So all these leftovers will be dumped each year, 7-10 names… and thats why Kiffin hasn’t been fired or anything… we need a guy who can sort out this mess our franchise has become
May 28th, 2008 at 6:52 am
As long as Kiffin does not pull a Gruden again and shop college jobs offers he has Al’s support.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Tui will beat out Walter for backup qb, he fits this style of offense like a glove. He is still the only college qb to run for over 200 yards and throw for over 300 yards in one game.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:58 am
But oh I got lost in the fantasy. Kiffin was quoted saying he never talked to any team college or pro about a job.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Eyepatch…
yeah!
and Kiffin knows, that Al doesn’t live much longer, so if/when Kiffin brings us back from the quagmire he will have star status within the ranks… So if he has the patience he could make him more than the next Madden…
Imagine how it could/would be to have the same Coach for 22 years!! the stability, the continuity, the prosperity…..
May 28th, 2008 at 7:14 am
An exact quote from Kiffin about the Arkansas rumor,
“Huh?” “That’s news to me.”
May 28th, 2008 at 7:56 am
All this Kiffin love, Kiffin better win some games this year or else. Having one coach for several years is great, “if” that coach is worth retaining. Why retain a losing/loser coach? Kiffin will be given every opportunity to succeed and if he doesn’t he’ll be shown the door like the other losing/loser coaches that came before him. This 6th in overall rushing stat is not enough to warrant a long term contract.
Under Norv Turner in 2004 and 2005 we were top 10 in overall passing in the league; should we have kept Norv? No, we should not have and we shouldn’t keep Kiffin either “IF” he has another horrible season. Coaching consistency with a coach with a system that wins not coaching consistency for sake of keeping a coach for 10 years.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Goon…
you’re absolutely right, all these coaching changes we made the last 7 years, obviously made us go to the playoff each year!!! so lets keep firing coaches!
Kiffin, Dungy or Beli wouldn’t win more than 4 with the team we had in 2006! Period. We need to accept we not the top of the pops any more, the only way is to unify our team, not keep changing Chefs!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:20 am
All this talk about the team being overhauled blah, blah, blah. This team has been overhauling players since 2003. Look how young the roster is. This didn’t just happen since Kiffin got here. The “No Scholarship players” quote by Kiffin has now become the AL Davis scholarship kids, amazing. Crockett was one of the most dominating short yardage RB’s in the league. What he wasn’t was a FB or blocking back, ever. He didn’t fit the new scheme so he was release. What sholarship?
Simms was player that most Raider fans hated yet he played the hardest OL position on the field and beat out every other lineman on the roster for the LT spot and he didn’t lose his position until Art Shell forced Gallery to play LT, Gallery didn’t beat Simms for the spot. Hey, personally I don’t like Simms either and Big AL tried to replace him by drafting Gallery, it didn’t work. In 2007 under Kiffin and his open competition strategy Simms beat every other OL on the roster again for the LT position and Gallery was moved to guard. What scholarship?
Sapp was on an AL scholarship? Sapp was the only DL providing any type of consistent push every week. After T.Kelley went down Sapp was by far our best DL men. Warren made a play at times but nothing consistent.
Stuey was a bust, not a scholarship player.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Goon…
you better look at the rosters between 2003 and 2006, not that big of a difference… the cleanup started after shell was fired…
goon all you arguments is the exact reason why we are in the quagmire, past efforts doesn’t help the future! you think we are good, but we couldn’t even beat so-so teams… we will only rise with modern management, not gut-feeling!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:38 am
but its fine with me if you feel we have had a Superbowl contender team in hte last 6 year, all i’m saying is the result haven’t been there, and that I see the reason are a lack of stability, not a man in charge for longer than 2 years, and there for each coach we have hired, had a team he just figured out when his first season was ove, and to many players below standard as starters…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:39 am
But we are not just changing chefs, we’re changing the food as well. Unfortunately the foods and the chefs have both flopped the past few seasons. Sure the 2006 team was a bad team, but that was a different Raider team from the 2005 team that won only 4 games and last year was a different team from the 2006 team that won only 2 games.
I for one believe Big AL was right in firing Callahan, I think Callahan was a horrible coach and deserved to be fired. I think Norv’s firing was the right thing to do. Sure we had a passing game, but not much else including wins. I don’t think Norv is a good HC in this league. Which brings us to Art Shell, the HOF Raider OL man. There’s no-way in the world of convincing me that Art didn’t deserve being fired.
Now here comes Kiffin and you can make every excuse that you want he won 4 games, he failed. Not saying Kiffin can’t get it done, but he needs to prove it with some wins. “If” he does that I believe Big AL will be more than happy to retain Kiffin as the HC for several years.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Morning Goon.
I still think Al should retire.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
goon…
so what does Kiffin need to get to get another year as HC? Year 3 is somewhat untouchable as a HC for the raiders… Gruden was the last one…
So, please answer, how many wins does Kiffin need (within reality) to be HC next year?…your demands and what the official demands are to him?
May 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Goon Sapp was terrible and he finally blew up in Jacksonville and promptly retired. If this season is not an overhaul then call it what you want, but alot of players are being shown the door and more are coming in June. Kiffin did beat the Chefs and Donkeys and gained over 100 yards in KC for the first time since the mid seventies.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:52 am
GOON
Have faith Kiffin brought us Cable,Rathman, we now have loften let the coaches coach and prehaps well get to see some real raider football this year!!!!!!!
GO RAIDERS…..
May 28th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Seeing Kiffin is the only first year coach to stay after a 4-12 season he has a 3 year deal to make them winners especially since Russell is so young.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:53 am
If Kiffin is close to .500 (hopefully better, of course), he’s not going anywhere. On the other hand, Ryan’s defense better not be the reason the team doesn’t do better. A flat, less-than-average defense will have RR out of here as soon as his over-priced salary expires, and maybe sooner.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:54 am
The roster change between 2003 and 2006 was huge. What are looking at? The Raider roster from 2003 to 2006 is glaringly different. After Art was correctly fired IMO, we cleaned house like we have been doing for several years now. Again we have one of the younger teams in NFL because we’ve been bringing players in and getting rid of players.
And what in blazes does a players past efforts have to do with the future, this mystery future that you and some other keep talking about? The future is now not some fantasy 4,5,8,10 years from now to which you or anyone else hasn’t a clue as to what will actually happen. And the modern management crack was just a low uncalled for blow. Now it’s Big AL’s fault that certain players don’t play to their expected abilities.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Thats 100 yards rushing in KC since the mid seventies.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am
goon…
fair enough you feel like that, I just don’t agree and never will…
but how many wins do YOU feel he needs to get his last year of the contract? PLUS what do you think is the OFFICIAL demand?…
May 28th, 2008 at 9:01 am
I never said we had a SB contender the last 6 years, but we’ve had better than 4, 5, or 2 win teams. And which underachieving coach were we suppose to retain? The coach that called my beloved team the dumbest team in football, the coach that won 9 games in two seasons or the coach that won 2 games and divided the team. They all have good arguments for deserving a chance to be a HC, but they failed so they were fired.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Good morning Dakota,
You still think Big AL should retire, why doesn’t that surprise me? Stay tuned I think this year you’re going to be very surprised by this years Raider team with Big AL still in place.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Its pretty simple if they get better, even by 1 or 2 wins, and show statistical improvements and are in most all the games into the forth quarter he will coach a third season. Callahan and Turner each got worse in their second seasons and got fired. Shell started a mutiny and had the worst win loss record of any coach under Davis and some of the worst stats in NFL history is why he got canned after one year.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am
LMN,
“If” Kiffin can get us 7 wins or more he’s back without question. “If” Kiffin can win 6 games he’ll be asked to stay with continued restrictions. “If” Kiffin can win 8 games or more you’ll see Big AL sign Kiffin to a long term deal. “If” Kiffin wins 5 games or less he’s gone.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Goon — You’re right about those coaching changes. With the obvious exception of Gruden, no Raiders HC has deserved to stay in his position since Art Shell’s early days.
Continuity with the right people is needed. Problem is, finding the right people. When Al got tired of outsiders coming in, and things got worse anyway, he tried to go back to his old ally Shell — discounting the disaster of Shell’s earlier tenure, just to have an old-school Raider in charge again. He might’ve felt safe with Shell, but it didn’t take long to figure out the game had passed him by.
Continuity didn’t help us with Callahan succeeding Gruden. Continuity turned into complacency and disinterest.
Before continuity sets-in, we need a solid foundation to be set. Kiffin might be able to do it, and the only way he should keep that chance is by fielding a competitive team from the start.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
we were the dumbest team… I rather have norv or callahan for a 5 year period than Shell for a week! neither Norv or Callahan are caoches that i like, but I’m sure that we would have been better if the merry-go-round of coaches hadn’t happened…
Goon… what are your demands and what are AL’s demands? please divide it, in yours demands and Als…
May 28th, 2008 at 9:19 am
But, I don’t think Kiffin keeps his job with just any ol’ record near .500. If this team jumps out of the gate quickly (yes, please), puts up an impressive early record, and then fades away to a non-factor at the end, the Kiff era might be over.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Eyepatch,
Why are you saying Sapp was terrible when by far he was our best DT while here. If you had said Washington (when he was here) or Sands was terrible I could understand, but in most games Sapp was the only interior DL that provided any push whatsoever. Sure T.Kelley made some plays, but for the most part Kelley has been injury prone. I sincerly hope Sapp, R.Ryan and Big AL are all right and Kelley is a beast this year, but other than that Sapp was the best we’ve had the past few years, as far as DT’s.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Goon,
Don’t worry about me, I do have enthusiasm for next years team, but the only thing that tempers that enthusiasm is Al Davis’ decision to retain Rob f-ing Ryan!
God, that KILLS me.
10-6 if RR can do his job right, 7-9 if he blows it…I just hope Kiffin does not take the fall for Ryan’s shortcomings.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 am
its difficult, because the Ryan-issue, if the O is way better than 7 wins, but we once again will get a 4win season, Kiffin might stay… Its tough…
All I’m saying is I haven’t seen so many right moves by any of our coaches in their first year as raiders HC, furthermore its his first over all!
I like almost every move Kiffin has done, from the get-go. I know if we let him go he will be a superbowl winning coach another place… I just hope we(the fans, the franchise, AL) has enough patience, or Kiffin for that matter…
May 28th, 2008 at 9:23 am
You guys making excuses for the Lakers getting a gift crack me up. When a team you like gets screwed you come on here and cry foul, but then make excuses for teams you like.
Don’t cry about the Raiders any more if you make excuses other places.
It doesn’t matter how many times Rapist went to the line, or how Barry doesn’t sell the call, or whatever.
It was a foul. All the other stuff only matters when you are trying to explain away a bad call. A foul is a foul. Period.
If that was Rapist taking that shot and getting a no-call, half of you people’s head would explode.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
The Lakers are young, talented, and worthy players. They should not need bad no-calls to win a game. Spurs went 5:00 minutes during the last 8 with 4 points and yet the Lakers couldn’t put them away. They should have won that game outright.
Instead, they got a gift.
I’ll be sure and remind you of your excuses for the refs when the Raiders start playing.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:24 am
HD37…
I sooo hope your right =)
May 28th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I think Al will give Kiffin longer leash on life because of Russell. In the Russell radio interview he said he likes playing for Kiffin. If you believe Davis keeps Ryan around because the players like him what about the prized 60 million dollar franchise breaker or maker that likes the current head coach?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:26 am
I am at the point where I don’t care if Kiffin or Lofton coaches this team. I want to see some wins. I don’t care if Big Al brings back Madden to coach this team as long as they are winning.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:27 am
408RAIDER,
Don’t get me wrong, I have all the faith in the world. I hope like blazes that Kiffin turns this Raider ship around. I liked some things that Kiffin did and there were other things I didn’t like, but bottom line is Kiffin needs to win. I also think by him still being here says that Big AL still believes in Kiffin as well.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am
K-rock…
that just don’t make sense….Football is like chess, the guys on the field (no matter how long they’ve been in the business) are just pawns in a game… So who coaches does matter…. we the prime example… too many old farts making decision about something that has changed right under them… Like generals in WW1..to be old fashioned in a modern world never looks good…
May 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Freddie B. on 1140…
Not sure if this was posted already…
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/012838.html#comments_here
May 28th, 2008 at 9:32 am
K-Rock = Spurs fan with panties all in a bundle
May 28th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Another thing on the refs.
Istead of making excuses when your team wins and crying when your team loses, fans should demand that the NBA clean up their horrible officiating crews.
The NBA is far and above the worst Professional Sports Organization when it comes to policing their officials.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Last year was free ride for Kiffin because they had already hit rock bottom the year before but they did get 2 more wins, chefs and donkeys for a change, and could have won many more. He got to evaluate the roster and make changes. Thats why the expectations are so much higher this year.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:37 am
K-Rock says: “You guys making excuses for the Lakers getting a gift crack me up. When a team you like gets screwed you come on here and cry foul, but then make excuses for teams you like.”
K-Rock, it appears a team YOU like got screwed (in your opinion) and you are coming on here and crying foul. And you are calling others hypocrites?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:38 am
LosT…
great, thanx a bunch!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
LMN,
Yes, it was a merry-go-round of caoches, but with the results they posted did you really want Big AL to retain them? And, no I don’t believe we would have been better off with either Callahan or Norv as HC. Callahan was an idoit that destroyed and divided the team. No-one wanted to play for this guy. Norv was so easy going players did what they wanted, when they wanted. Norv is to nice a guy to be a HC. The same was said about Norv in Washington after he was fired there after 7 years and 1 playoff appearance. We’re in total agreement about Art Shell.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:40 am
okay gotta go, gotta visit my father at the hospital :/ now might as well be as good as any, if the talk is going to be basket… I loved to play it as a child, but it never had any of my interest…
C ya, all
May 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
LMN,
No problem…I appreciate it when other fans post info here for me to read also…
May 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Wow. Just got my panties in a bundle? Takes a lot of brain power to manufacture that comment.
I will get over this game. Rapist will get his ring and the NBA will have a thug for its posterboy. Seems like that’s what they want anyway.
I will just remind all of you about these comments when your on here crying foul during the Raiders games.
Hypocrites
May 28th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Freddy is delusional on talent. When you have no talented players you play backups as starters. He was surrounded by talented players his whole career as a player. Maybe thats why he is gone as a coach.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:44 am
K-rock,
I understand your frustration, and if the shoe was on the other foot I would be biothing about it too. Let it out brother. If we Raider fans know one thing, it is how to deal with bad calls.
That being said, the incorrect call on the shot clock after Fisher’s shot with 5 seconds left fell short makes all the biotching about the no-call on Barry’s shot moot doesn’t it? One bad call deserves another? Had the refs made the correct call on Fisher’s shot the game would have been over…so there you have it. The Spurs did not deserve to win that game and you know it in your heart.
Oh, and don’t forget about Duncan’s Texas ten step from half court that the refs let go, lol. And Barry shuffling his feet on the last shot…I guess they never call traveling in the NBA right?
Oh, and all the BS charging calls against the Lakers in the first half…
Oh, and the Spurs being +13 shots at the FT line in San An…
Spurs were given the opportunity and they blew it.
But the series ain’t over yet…I have watched this group of Lakers blow a 3-1 series lead against the Suns just a couple of years ago.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I cry foul when any team gets screwed (except the Patriots, Chiefs, Broncos, or Chargers)
Its the officials that are to blame. Not the teams. Just don’t make excuses like it was a good no-call or whatever.
Just say “Hey it was a bad call, but I’ll take the win.”
May 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am
GOON
agreed we need some freakin wins but this year looks more promissing than the last 5 so be happy drink the kool-aid and pray our man D holds up. Worst case we fire RR and get Kiffins Dads protege next year
May 28th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Dakota says…
“I understand your frustration, and if the shoe was on the other foot I would be biothing about it too.”
……………………………………………..
Thank you brother. That was the most honest comment I have seen on this board.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Too many bloggers here are wearing panties…hahahaha
May 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Try boxer briefs, they don’t bunch.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am
OK, so no one shares my twisted sense of humour…
Tommy Kelly will be on NFL channel today, I think in the studio live.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Kirk Morrison will be on NFL Total Access today at 7PM ET to talk all things Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Dakota,
With all the additions we made on defense this offseason and the returning players we currently have on the roster, we should have an improved defense. Not dominant, but improved. “If” it doesn’t RR will be coaching for the Jets or some other team in 2009.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am
La Milicia Negra, post 413:
Maybe Kiffen should talk to Madden and Flores? They both coached the Raiders for 10 years, each. Madden won 1 Super Bowl and made it to the HOF, Flores, won 2 Super Bowls and will never be inducted into the HOF, but that’s a separate issue.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Good to hear Goon, but you need to make sure AD knows it too, lol.
Al, it is not too late, fire RR now and you might save the season.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
408RAIDER,
Drinking the Raider Kool-aid, man I’m swimming in the stuff. As K-Rock previously posted, I really don’t care who coaches the team as long as we get some wins and get back to winning regularly. And firing RR and hiring Kiffin’s dad would be a like a dream come true. I’m not as down as most are on RR, but I fully recognize that RR is no Monte Kiffin.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:24 am
As LMN posted and Riverside Raiders fan reposted Kiffin should talk to Madden and Flores. Why not? It sure as blazes couldn’t hurt. I’m sure there’s something that Kiffin could learn from both of them. We can only hope that their success rubs off on Kiffin.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am
GOON
im talkin bout this guy
Bay Area News Group beat writer Steve Corkran reports Kiffin likes Bucs defensive backs coach Raheem Morris, and it makes sense.
Morris is schooled in the Cover 2 which dismantled the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII and ignited the tailspin that exists to this day.
The same Cover 2 his dad teaches in Tampa Bay.
If the O pre forms and continues to get better then a 7-9 season might just get AL to start rethinking his man D
or pigs could fly
May 28th, 2008 at 10:32 am
BIG AL’s GOON, post 424:
Your post our insightful, usually well supported from your frame of mind and good to read.
However, stop being so conservative. I believe, because of the last five years, that there is a “Negative-Flu-Bug” going around and infecting many Raiders fans. Besides given them a slight fever, headacke, upset stomach and general body acke, it’s also given these Raider victims, “a general negative feeling, an inability to evaluate our current talent, our up coming schedule and the monsters we have in JR, DM, MC, JF, ZM (offense), plus defensive improvements, etc., etc.”
These infected Raiders fans, carring the “Negative-Flu-Bug,” can’t see the OBVIOUS. THE RAIDERS WILL GO 11-5 MINIMUM, AND PROBABLY 12-4 OR 13-3.
My recommendation: Go get your “FLU-SHOT” immediately, before you get infected and start assuming and projecting 5 or 6 wins, or 7 wins will be good, etc.
Get your “flu-shot” as soon as possible and wash it down with a shot of Jack Daniels and a few beer chasers. You’ll start feeling better and more positive, real soon…like.
GO RAIDERS.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Expect to see a transcript, of J Russ’ Sirius interview over at J. Jones SACBEE site later today.
He answered my e-mail on that, said he should have that later today.
Say what you like about his blog, but I thought it was prety cool of him to take the time to reply, to my question.
On the last play of the Laker vs. Spurs game, last night. To quote the late great Chick Hearn: “No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance.”
May 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am
408RAIDER,
I to have read those reports of Kiffin liking R.Morris. However, I’m willing to give RR another year with some improved talent to see “if” he can turn his defense around before bringing in Morris. Daddy Kiffin on the other hand, would force RR’s immediate removal. And remember pigs flew during Gruden’s run as we played short ball instead of long ball, something critics said Big AL would never allow.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Riverside Raiders fan,
Post 424 was in response to the question, “How many wins does Kiffin have to get next season to be retained. Personally, I think we can win 8 to 10 games next year. Believe me my Raider brothern no negative flu-bug infection over here. Drinking? Man, I’m swimming in the Raider Kool-aid now and forever. Just Win Baby!!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Dakota,
You hit it on the head in #448. The refs tried hard to give the game to the Spurs and they blew it. The game changer was putting Kobe on Manu. He shut him down and in the first quarter threw up brick after brick. If you can’t seal the deal at home with the refs help, you should not bitch. When asked at halftime how the Spurs got back into the game, Jackson said “The Stripe Shirts!” He’ll get fined for that comment.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am
WE ARE GONNA TEAR UP EVERY ONE THIS YEAR!!!!!!! CAUSE WE GOT JUSTIN McBUSH!!!!!!!! JUST WIN BABY
May 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Michael Bush and DMAC with an improved defense spells disaster for the Broncos… Bring it on Shanahan (and you know you covet both of those RB’s while you’re out there picking up Pittman)
May 28th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I think between Henry & Pittman the Donkeys are spending more than all the Raiders running backs on the roster including McFaddy.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am
From what Kiffin said about Ryan staying, it seems clear that this was not a decision taken lightly.
“Al thought about that for a while and we talked about a number of different things, a number of different scenarios that could come up. And then Al decided to stay with Rob, Rob has another year on his contract.”
The fact that Kiffin and AD talked about “a number different things and scenarios” indicates that other candidates may have been discussed, maybe they were not available or maybe Kiffin didn´t have the pull to sway AD just yet, but by looking at other options it seems that AD wasn´t all that happy with Ryan either, otherwise he would have just said “he stays” and be done with it.IMO.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am
By the way, don´t worry about Nnamdi, he can´t go anywhere until March 2010.
Worst case scenario, he plays as a franchise player the next 2 seasons and becomes a FA for the 2010 season when he´ll be 29. I wouldn´t like this and I don´t see it, but it would not kill us.
But more likely, he´ll sign an extension in the upcoming months, DeAngelo Hall said that he was assured Nnamdi would be here for the long term and that was important to him when he signed his deal.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Good points B.
I think the fact that RR’s under contract still… AD has the upper hand in the situation… If everyone’s successful this year …both he and Kiff stay… ( I believe Kiff stays anyway )… Both have been given essentially what they’ve asked for… a chance… with better tools than they had the year before…
May 28th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I was away on a little beach vacation and I have to admit, I had to fight off the urge to use the Hotel´s internet room to see what the heck were you people up to…I guess I can´t live without my Raiders fix and this blog for more than 4 days.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:18 am
BIG AL’s Goon, post 465:
I stand corrected:
I actually knew that, but I was just being a “smart-ass” in that I took the opportunity to post some confidence building hype on our upcoming season. I know I’m probably way out there in the win prediction column, but, I’m a die-heart who always wishes and hopes for the moon. At the same time, if everything falls in place, we have awesome potential to win 11-5 plus games. Playoffs…GUARANTEED.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:29 am
haha…Lake Show pulled it out last night….HUGE win and one more to go!
F DA SPURS!
May 28th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I think it’s safe to say most of us feel the same way Marley…lol… I know I’m checking several times a… no matter where I am
May 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Bob Marley good to hear that your blogging from vacation
this blog and NFL network are how we all survive the off-season.
I’M IN!!
I was always IN!!
IN my past life i was IN!!
May 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am
The refs tried to give the game to the Spurs….(as usual) and it backfired in the end!
Luv it! GO LAKE SHOW…haters!
May 28th, 2008 at 11:35 am
no basketball talk in the Raiders Forum
May 28th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Lol..that´s right Tonio and 666..I´m actually back to the real world now, so I´ll see you guys later.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am
The 10 commandments of Blogging in here
1. Thou shalt not talk politics.
2. Thou shalt not talk Religion
3. Thou shalt not talk about other sports
4. Thou shalt not talk racist to other posters
5. Thou shalt not be a Charger Bronco or Chief fan and post in here
6. We can however talk about super hot chicks and the prices of beer at the game
7-9 I forget
May 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am
10. RAIDERS!!!!!! RAIDERS!!!!!! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am
NATION, What is UP????????
Everyone keeps saying we have to stop the run. We are not the only ones that will need to stop the run, our opponents will have to stop the run also. In 1 year in the ZBS we had the 6th best running game in the league, I expect us to improve to number 1. We will also put more points on the board with our ground game.
Jano will be used very lightly, or heviliy depending on how you look at it. Jano will be kicking more PAT’s, and kickoffs. We may need to get a backup for him, as he might get tired from all the kicking.
bottom line is we do have to stop the run, but they have to stop our run game also as we have the best backfield in the league IMHO….
May 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
stop the run and get consistent pressure on the QB!
Ryan is on watch right now IMO!
More than Kiffin should be thats for damn sure!
May 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Having players is a good thing. But you never know how a coach is going to use them until it’s too late.,
If Norv Turner can take a Randy Moss, and decide to use him as a decoy, I’ll wait and see.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Marley-this has become more of a nba forum than a Raider forum.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
That Laker/Spurs game last night was soooooo weak. The Spurs got screwed. I seem to recall the Lakers getting a similar call that went their way in the regular season against my Suns, when Derek Fisher did something very similar that was not called and should have been.
If Brent Barry was Kobe he would have gotten the foul call. It has become painfully obvious that the NBA wants to feature a Laker Celtic championship so they can dust off all of those old players from the old 80’s rivalry.
You Laker fans are pretty weak too. Always crying foul when things don’t go your way but when the shoe is on the other foot you never come clean. EVER!
Kobe sat there on National tv and said “That was not a foul.” He lies as good as he plays.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Come on Lefty, you know as soon as some news about the Raiders pops up everyone will be back to da raaaaaaiders. It is just a really slow time for NFL new right now…but June 1st is right around the corner (although not as important as it once was due to the large salary cap).
GOOOO LAKERS!
May 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
if i want to talk Oakland A’s i go to their site.if i want to talk Sharks,i go to a hockey site.i feel if you want to discuss the nba,go to a basketball site.everyone here(except mr)loves the Raiders and likes to talk about them.the same can’t be said for the nba.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
The Biggest Laker Sheep of them all^^^^^^^^^
baaaaa baaaaaa baaaaaa
May 28th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
490 is for Dakota
baaaa baaaaa baaaa
May 28th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
That I am.
GOOOOO LAKERS!
May 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Poor poor Suns…the Suns have set and they never got the job done…cry me a river. I loved the Shaq move, lol. Destroyed your cap, team chemistry and future in one fell swoop.
I LOVE IT!
May 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
how anyone can idolize someone who raped a woman,or at the very least assualted her,is behond me.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
beyond
May 28th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
It was behind her as well.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Actually Lefty, he didn’t rape her, he cheated on his wife, big difference.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
LOL! KoolKell that was funny.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I don’t know about idolizing him, but since he is a Laker and the case was dismissed because the woman was a liar, I guess you have to support him as a Laker fan. If he had gone to Chicago, or Phoenix or the Clippers…then he would be a rapist in my eyes, lol.
Call it hypocrisy if you like, I would refer to it as being a fan.
I don’t hear anyone talking about James Lofton the same way you talk about Kobe. Kobe’s case was dropped, the DA in the Lofton case took it to trial…maybe you guys should focus on HC, I mean WR coach Lofton for a while.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
MaddenRaiderslapper’s back. I must have ruffled some feathers with my Freddy B comments.
Again, I must be really boring, considering people are even naming themselves after me, now.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 7:56 am
“Kiffin will be given every opportunity to succeed”
………
The comedy hour continues…
May 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
So far, we have eyepatch turning on Freddy B. One day ago, Freddy waa a hero to eyepatch. But now that Freddy makes it plain and obvious that Davis has no clue how to build a team anymore, Eyepatch insists that Freddy B is a bad source, and was in fact fired for incompetency.
Whichever way the wind blows Davis’s hair piece…
To brush up, everyone, Freddy B on 1140 in Sacramento yesterday, without ever mentioning Al Davis’s name, said that the Raiders have been trying to build teams with “back ups”, and he really mocked the notion of mere athletic skills being factored into how good of a football player someone is. I mean he really mocked it… He also went on to say that the combine is basically a joke.
Now, we know Davis is a firm believer in athletic skills being transformed into football ability. It’s why he’s historically signed fast receivers that can’t catch the ball…
So, a shot across the bow at Mr. Davis? You decide.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The NFL’s program that will send all NFL rookies to the Pro Football Hall of Fame starts Wednesday with the Oakland rookie crop. Inspired by 2007 inductee Michael Irvin, the NFL will send all of its rookies to the Canton, Ohio shrine this summer. The program kicks off with the Raiders.
In just a few hours, No. 4 overall pick Darren McFadden will tour the museum and eyeball the bronzed busts of Marcus Allen, Jim Brown, Walter Payton and all of the other enshrined running backs and get a feel for what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
Hall of Fame, Raiders (adding more to our group)
May 28th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
No MR, when I have time, I’m here to correct your bs like I did in #94…And get over yourself about Freddy’s comments–that I haven’t heard–. He said we didn’t have talented personnel lately? Wow, that’s earth shattering. Luckily, we’ve made and continue to make some smart personnel choices–Morrison, Howard, Nnamdi, Hall, Gibril, Russell, McFadden, etc. that should get us back in this thing.
And I disagree with him about the combine being worthless. If it’s so dam worthless, there wouldn’t be 32 organizations showing up at it now would they? Oh, and you’re also stating Freddy didn’t say anything bad about Al. Another shock. Nearly 99% of the people that interact him don’t say anything stupid do they. And yet you keep babbling about what an idiot he is, even though Al would never give you the privilige to wipe his azz so you’ll never have a clue to his knowledge since you refuse all things like facts and testimony don’t you…I’ll side with their knowledge over yours…I think I hear your timer going off, time for you to get the fries out and ready for your customers.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Biletnikoff’s in the hall, too. Heard the audio from his interview on 1140 in Sacramento, yesterday, Tonio?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Did Freddy B say something controversial?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
My stalker (MR Slapper),
You “disagree” with Fred Biletnikoff? And besides rushing to the local Safeway to get Al his Preparation H, you have what experience in the NFL?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
No M(ise)R(y) I didn’t…
May 28th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Kell, he dissed the notion of athletes being football players, big time. I mean, went on about it and mocked “people” who try to use speed and strength stats to justify someone’s ability to play the game of football. Said the Raiders have been built with “back ups” in recent years. Said the combine is a joke. That’s 3 shots at Al, without mentioning his name.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
That’s cute, T(otal Mor)onio.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Lol, MR have a job? Yeah right, we all know he is 40 years old and still living in his mom’s basement…he doesn’t have a job.
A picture of him in his mom’s basement using her computer was posted here a few days ago….let me see if I can find it….oh, here it is:
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/60/60641/folders/32250/989523FatManAtComputer.jpg
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
~blushes~
May 28th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
The idea of athletes not being football players is (still) ridiculous… as was proven in previous discussions of Bo Jackson
May 28th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Wow, I wouldn’t expect that from Freddy. True though. Freddy’s no athelete.
I remember Ron Wolf as a very hard worker, who spent much of his life on trains getting to those backwater players. It takes more than a stopwatch.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Dakota, Tonio, any thoughts on Biletnikoff’s comments? He said your guys’ hero Al Davis has been building teams with “back ups”. That’s not a ringing endorsement of the dark lord.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
MR,
Kiffin is being given every opportunity to succeed. Kiffin has been allowed to hire his own offensive staff and ST coaches and he’s running his offense. What’s your beef? Oh, the Whiners are about to fire thier Head coach and run Alex Smith out of town. Is that the problem? You’re upset beecause your team is in complete chaos. MR= pure comedy and a complete joke. Thanks for stopping bye, C-ya!
May 28th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Tonio, Bo Jackson’s a bad example. His hip was destroyed in the prime of his career. But, I agree, he could run fast.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“MR,
Kiffin is being given every opportunity to succeed.”
…..
*laugh track
May 28th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Dakota,
#512 lol lol lol Where do you get them. You have a hidden camera in his basement don’t you. lol lol
May 28th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Backups? I wish. More like practice squad players….but we are getting better. We are going to beat your Chargers this season MR. Just watch.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Tonio, there’s been a lot more James Jetts than Bo Jacksons wearing Raider uniforms. But to find character and want to, you need to eyeball guys, family etc.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Dakota, are you telling me that a guy who you admit puts together rosters of back ups and “practice squad players”, as you put it, suddenly now has the ability to build a competitive team? Why didn’t he do it the past 5 years?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
First Scott McClellan, now Fred Biletnikof.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Kool Kell, don’t forget, even Bo Jackson’s hip went in the prime of his career. What was it again, someone pulled his leg out of his socket? Well, poor thing. Maybe we ought to switch to flag football instead of tackle. I love Bo. His character is second to none. But he obviously wasn’t a football player, either. Just a fine athlete, one of the best athletes, that overachieved for a short time on the football field. Can’t deny his stats. But when a guy loses his hip at the age of 29 on one stinking tackle, well…
May 28th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
And the kool aid drinkers in the Bush administration are already coming out against McClellan, as well. Kool aid drinkers are universal. Glad I’m not one. I form my own opinions.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Exla,
I got those and more from the Freedom of Information Act.
MR,
Don’t be scared. Your little Chargers are still going to win the division this year, but the gap has closed and the future in the AFC West is THE RAAAAAAIDERS…as long as Al doesn’t fk it up.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
How old is Bo anyway? Read an ESPN article about Bo a while back and he said he was ready to retire following the season- but the hip injury took care of that. Not to mention baseball was hirst first love, not football.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
*his*
May 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
MR,
Get a clue. Freddie B never once said AL Davis throughout that entire portion of the interview. Freddie was attempting to make sense of why the Raiders haven’t been where they should always be (at the top), the last few years. Newsflash: What Raider fan didn’t know that we’ve been low on talent since the 2002-03 season? Freddie didn’t say anything that any Raider fan doesn’t know, hasn’t said, or thought concerning the last few years. However, that is changing.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I didn’t see anything wrong with him as a football player MR. He was a heckuva college player as well.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Dakota, you didn’t answer my question. What convinces you to believe that Al Davis, who you admitted builds teams with “practice squad players”, suddenly changed this season?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Al, f’k it up…Nah!
May 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
So I sit down with some lunch, got a couple of minutes from my ever so busy day, check the blog to see if there’s anything new, see that Dakota has a pic of MR, take a bite of my sandwich and click on the link….
….thus ending my lunch.
Dang it Dakota!!! Give us a warning label or something.
Lakers in 5!!
May 28th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
# Quagmire’d Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
“baseball was his (Bo’s) first love, not football.”
…..
Like I said, he wasn’t a football player.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
i’m thinking about this…
Davis allowed Kiffin to fire Biletnikoff…
Kiffin made the decision and Biletnikoff is gone…
so now some people here say that Biletnikoff’s judgement is better than Al’s…
there couldn’t possibly be some sour grapes from a man who played 30 yaers ago…
and had a “scholarship” coaching position… (how hard can it be to “coach’ Tim Brown and Jerry Rice…)… i should mention all the other all-stars that Biletnikoff coached/created… i just can’t think of any…
from a coaching standpoint Kiffin made the right call and brought in new blood on offense…
Biletnikoff’s disgruntled assessments have no value…
i think what we have here is a desire on the part of some, here, to take any possible criticism of Al Davis… no matter how oblique, no matter how insignificant… and trumpet that criticism for all it could possibly be worth…
May 28th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I’m thinkin’ Dakota hit you with a bit of sarcasm, MR. I could be wrong…
May 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Bo Jackson hit the baseball as hard as anyone i’ve ever scene
May 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Al’s Goon, listen to the audio of the interview again.
Freddy goes on mocking “people” who use athletic stats to promote a player’s ability to play football. Freddy has only worked for one team in recent memory…so who do you think these “people” are? Again, listen to the audio. He goes on and on mocking people with this belief, almost a whole segment’s worth.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
bo jackson was a athelete how can u call somebody who dominated his position for a small period and was so explosive, not a football player? Thats like saying Ronald Curry is not a wide reciever because he started out as a qb.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Thanks Quag…some people (MR) are sssslllloooooooooowwww.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
My point is simple… football players are all athletes…and yes not all athletes are “football” players… kk james jets yes… an athlete…and not a good football player… but a football player non the less. and because I’m correct about Bo… does that make him a bad example?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Curry will tell you he is a QB playing wide receiver.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Fla Pete,
Biletnikoff’s motives aside, is he right or wrong?
He made 2 points that I know of:
1) People who use athletic stats to judge rather or not someone is a football player are fools. Again, he went on and on mocking “them”. (he’s only worked for one team in recent memory, so it isn’t hard to figure out who “them” is…). He went on to say that for this reason, the combine is a joke.
2) The Raiders have been building their teams with “backups”.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
“Biletnikoff’s disgruntled assessments have no value…”
HOFer, on the payroll for 40 years, no value?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
MR says:
Kool Kell, don’t forget, even Bo Jackson’s hip went in the prime of his career. What was it again, someone pulled his leg out of his socket? Well, poor thing. Maybe we ought to switch to flag football instead of tackle. I love Bo. His character is second to none. But he obviously wasn’t a football player, either. Just a fine athlete, one of the best athletes, that overachieved for a short time on the football field. Can’t deny his stats. But when a guy loses his hip at the age of 29 on one stinking tackle, well…
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Okay, you must be drunk or just plain uneducated in football or maybe both. Do you have any idea how many football players have sustained life changing injuries due to a “freakish” play, tackle or attempted tackle etc.? This is just unbelievable that someone can be this….wow. MR, have you ever heard of the HOF RB Gayle Sayers, just to name one. His career was stopped short due to a knee injury sustained in a game and I believe Sayers was pretty young as well, but I do know he played just a few years just like Bo did.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
so the track stars on the current Raiders roster are athletes and not football players? ie. a bunch of James Jetts.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Regarding the latter point, Pete, no GM who knows what he’s doing builds a team with backups. It’s a direct insult, even if he doesn’t mention Al’s name. Telling your GM he’s building a team with reserve players is like telling a mechanic that he’s better suited to work on lawn mower engines than cars. Again, it’s not a ringing endorsement of the notion that Al Davis “still has it”…It’s a pretty clear insinuation to the contrary.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
wagon… that’s because M(iser)R(y) enjoys the company of disgust and anger… hence the continued… misrepresentation and repetition of the comments…
Remember… “if you repeat a lie long enough… people begin to believe it”
May 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Tonio,
Kind of like Global Warming?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Yeh, Al’s Goon, and I remember Gale Sayers only playing half of the year because he’d rather prance around on a baseball diamond. Comparing Bo Jackson to Gale Sayers? I’ve thought I heard it all from the Davis crowd.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
The lie part….
May 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
mcfaddenswagon Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
bo jackson was a athelete how can u call somebody who dominated his position for a small period and was so explosive, not a football player? Thats like saying Ronald Curry is not a wide reciever because he started out as a qb.
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just because a guy wins the Heisman Trophy… doesn’t make him a football player…
ain’t that right MR???
May 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
You’re funny Dakota…
Yeah… sure… like Global Warming…
May 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Tonio,
add Fred Biletnikoff to the list of people who, according to you, enjoy the company of disgust and anger. Everything he said yesterday is exactly how I feel about building football teams. I’ve been saying forever that the combine is a joke, and trying to calm down people who get excited because some jerk off can run a fast 40 time. I’ve been saying for years, we need football players. I was a relief to know that Freddy B, an NFL hall of famer and a bona fied Raider, feels the same.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Global Warming’s a lie… Democracy’s a Lie… free healthcare’s a lie… freedom’s a lie
May 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Pete, do we really want to go over Heisman busts? And I’m not talking about that statue…Gino Torretta won a heisman, for crying out loud.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Overall losing record since 1989. That hurts people who truly love the Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
M(ise)R(y) =’s Freddy B … yep… the world if officially Flat …and the Moon’s made of Cheese… oh wait… we don’t know the moon’s not made of cheese because no one’s ever been on the moon… *doh*
May 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Ouch!! Thanks for the reality check, KK.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
MR,
I did listen to the Audio. When Freddie B was asked about Big AL, Feddie Spoke on him. When Feddie B. was asked about Mike Lombardi, Freddie Spoke on him. Freddie had no problem saying some negative things about Lombardi so why would he not say something negative about Big AL if that how he feels. Oh I know, because Big AL is a mob boss and he’d have Freddie B. swimming with the fishes, right? What a load of crap. Just like the Raider hating media, trying to make something out of nothing. Nice try, whiner fan.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Dakota, I see you’d rather talk politics than explain your concession that Al Davis indeed has been building teams with back ups (you went on to call them “practice squad players”), and your sudden belief that this same incompetent owner, to your admission, is suddenly capable of building a team. But never mind. Go ahead, talk politics. This is the perfect place for it.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Big Al, so are you saying that Biletnikoff was really referring to Lombardi? Does Lombardi have the final say in Oakland? If so, what’s with the name “Big” Al?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Do you guys realize that if Biletnikoff was on this blog and said the same things he said in his interview yesterday, under any old assumed name, Big Al’s Goon would be calling HIM a “whiner fan”?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Tonio would be crying about Freddy B being “negative”…
May 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
“you’re negative Freddy, negative!!” (in Tonio’s best Michael Jackson voice..)
May 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Nice try MR, again with the Bo Jackson was not a football player comments. Tell me, who was that carrying the running game during the 1990 AFC West title? There are so many football players that are in awe of Bo’s talents on the football field and stated so.
I’ll ask again, what are the other 31 organizations doing at the combine since it’s a joke. And again, I disagree with Freddy stating that the combine is a joke. I don’t disagree with him that are personell has been bad, but if you look at the current situation and personell, this team has a real shot at making a playoff run.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
^^^ would not be concerned about Freddy’s comments…
Michael is a musical genius :p
May 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Big Al’s Goon, MR Slapper, and whatever you call yourself next,
I’m not saying that Bo Jackson didn’t have stats. But comparing a guy who played baseball for half of his NFL season to Gale Sayers is insane.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I’ll check in with you guys, later. Good to know Freddy Biletnikoff shares the same views I do about the Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
MR,your point is well taken.AD HAS
done a pretty bad job as GM,but not just for the last 5 years,but the last20 or so years.we all know where you stand.do you have anything else to add or is that it?that seems to be the only topic you ever want to discuss.it would be nice if you expanded your topics and added more to the conversations.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
you know Gino torretta wasnt ready nfl but he kick some butt in NCAAF in miami why dont you talk about ryan leaf that was a joke . i know Gino wasnt a joke
May 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
And BTW, Michael Jackson is not a musical genius. He’s a pervert with a great singing voice. Quincy Jones is a musical genius, and he produced Michael’s hit albums. Michael Jackson without Quincy is like Al Davis without Ron Wolf, John Madden, Jon Gruden, or Lane Kiffin. Just helpless. See you guys tonight.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Bo jackson put on pads and and helmet and went out there trying to run people over….I’d have to say he’s a football player….If you dress up in brown everymorning and deliever ups packages ur a ups worker
May 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I really have to get out of here. Somebody’s now shilling for Gino Torretta. Only in this blog. LOL. Goodbye.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
say what mcfadden
May 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
It’s the contact that seperates the “Atheletes” from the Football players. Bo Jackson would drop the hammer without a second thought.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Al davis hired and took chances on all those he employed, so where would they be without al davis?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
When Freddie B. was “coaching” and you saw him on the sidelines, I doubt that his headpiece was even plugged in. It was probably connected to the Hegenberger Taco Bell drive-thru.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
>>But comparing a guy who played baseball for half of his NFL season to Gale Sayers is insane.>>
Oh, but someone stating that a guy isn’t a football player because…
A. never went to traing camp
B.hardly knew the playbook
C.had a career average of 5.4 yards/carry
D. was the first player to have 2 rushes of over 90 yards
E. the three longest rushes in the 87, 89 & 90 seasons
F. was in the top 10 twice for rushing yards in a season
G. in the top 5 for yards/carry for two years
H. earned a ProBowl invitation
I. is backed by several NFL players saying that said player was amaziny
…is the work of a sane person?
You’re such a dumbarse.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Actually MR, Fred Biletnikoff doesn’t share a single viewpoint about Al Davis that your stupid arse does, and he has a lot more knowledge of him than you do.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
goodone madden raider slapper brought out the alphabits on the bo haters
May 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Dakota Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
“Poor poor Suns…the Suns have set and they never got the job done…cry me a river. I loved the Shaq move, lol. Destroyed your cap, team chemistry and future in one fell swoop.
I LOVE IT!”
Dakota -
Yes that’s it, distract from the real issuse by hurling insults and bs, it’s all you truly have. You know damn well that foul should have been called last night. Keep hiding your eyes from the truth, the polar caps are melting because of intentionally blind people such as yourself. Let me guess the Holocaust never happened right?
Your complete and utter ignorance is your only true wealth. Typical Laker fan. Laker fans are a microcosm for many of the worst elements of society today. Complete denial of the truth unless it benefits them in some way. I bet if you could make money off of Global Warming you would believe in it whole heartedly. Pathetic.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
MR says…
“Al Davis without Ron Wolf, John Madden, Jon Gruden, or Lane Kiffin. Just helpless.”
Well its a good thing Al was smart enought to hire all these people.
Otherwise, the Raiders might be like the Lions, Cards, Eagles, Oilers/Titans, Seahawks, Bengals, Browns, and other Super Bowl Losers.
They might have been the Broncos without Elway, or the Cowboys without Jimmy Johnson. Maybe the Patriots without Brady.
See my point MR?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I smell a laker hater
May 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Bo ruled.
MR,
I have faith not in AD, but in the law of averages…we have to get better sometime right? This year is it, we improve because of our decent HC and our young, talented players.
Your Chargers are going down once this year and then we will own you for the next decade.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
and LT will not break emmits records
May 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
MR Says:
Good to know Freddy Biletnikoff shares the same views I do about the Raiders.
–Most Raiderhaters also share the sames views you do about the Raiders! That’s because you’re a RAIDERHATER.
Damn pickle kisser!
May 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
So Freddy’s a Raider hater?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
no matter what we do they will hate…there haters…we need them…………we love them
May 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
MR says…
“Al Davis without Ron Wolf, John Madden, Jon Gruden, or Lane Kiffin. Just helpless.”
And what was Ron Wolf without Al or Mike Holmgren? See Tampa and NYJets days.
And what was Jon Gruden without Al Davis, Rich McKay, Monte Kiffin and Tony Dungy’s defense & drafts? See Marquis Walker, Cadilac Williams, Michael Clayton, an offense from a supposed guru that can’t finish in the top half in the league.
But another astute observation MR. Successful organizations need several smart people. Who’d thunk that?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
K-Rock Says:
They might have been the Broncos without Elway,
OOOHHH No, K-Rock, you mean the Donkey’s without a salary cap. WITH Elway they LOST 3 SBs.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Isn’t Jim Kelly in the HOF?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
They should’ve been the Broncos w/o Elway as he was headed to the Raiders. Do a google search on it. I’ve seen Ron Wolf say Pete Rozell nixed the deal.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
That’s why Ad went for Russell… he’s the next (better) coming of horseface…
May 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
can’t ignore from the truth
I now realize that you are the proverbial “Wolf in Laker Sheep’s Clothing”
May 28th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
baaaaaa baaaaaa
May 28th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
That’s true, Madden Raider Slapper, I had the link from a New Jersey paper but it expired. Remember Elway said he wanted on a West coast team. I don’t see any ocean on this side of the Rockies!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Let’s hope Russell has the same fighting spirit and determination Elway had.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
No way is Jim Kelly in the HOF. Guess again KK.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Of course Elway only had 2 coaches in his career
May 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
jim kielly is in the hall of fame
May 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
was inducted in 2002
May 28th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Kelly’s in the Hall, Mods won’t let post a link.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
0-4 in Super Bowls in the Hall. Plunkett 2-2 not in Hall.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Denver just cut Marviel Underwood. So what, you may say.
Three interesting facts about Underwood:
1) He is from Oakland and went to San Leandro High.
2) He played along side Kirk Morrison at San Diego State and was a 4th round pick by the Packers in 2005.
3) He has talent. He had a good rookie year but tore ligaments before the start of his second season. Given the Packers talent at DB, he never got another chance.
If he is fully recovered, Underwood might be worth a look.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
nice inside info on the post scottish
May 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Seatown, I just don’t have too much faith in Eugene as a back-up Safety. Underwood has more talent, the issue is purely his fitness.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
i too believe that is a position of bck-up weakness but as long as we can get some consisent play it doesnt have to be great play from our back-ups whoever they are we should be ok
May 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Elway had 3 coaches: Reeves, Wade Phillips and Mike Shanahan
May 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Lol, friggin trolls can’t take you down man to man so they start posting as you…wussy troll.
#599 was not me.
Hey Laker hater guy…sorry your Suns choke all of the time, lol.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
i think that is why we drafted tyvon branch as well as his special team abilities
May 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Yeah, I thought I missed one. Thanks.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Kelly’s in and deserves to be but I don’t think before the “Snake”. We saw his bust when we went to see coach inducted. As I recall a very moving speech he credited his strength to his then dying young son. And he was walking around with the Gold Blazer. I met Jim Taylor as well. He was standing on the curb waitng for the HOF bus, I told him I didn’t want to bother him for an autograph but I’d like to shake his hand and could my 2 sons and I give him a lift somewhere? He said no thanks, I have to stay with the bus. Great Guy as was George Blanda, Howie Long, Marcus Allen, Kenny Stabler, Lester Hayes, Jim Otto, Otis Sistrunk, Jimmy Plunkett, Chriss Collinsworth, Ed “too tall” Jones, Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, Harry Carson, Rayfield Wright, Dave Casper, Carl Eller, Kick ‘em in the head Ted Hendricks, Big Ben Davidson and, of course, Coach. (just to name a few) Dan Marino, on the other hand…
May 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Dakota i hate that everyone is crying about the foul that should have been called what about the fact that d-fish hit the rim the play before and it should have been a new shot clock. but nobody is saying squat about that. anyway LAKESHOW IN 5 and you know this
May 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I think Eugene will be ok if our d line stiffens up.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Pueblo Co in the house where in pueblo do u live raiderfanindonkeycountry?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
i live in seattle now but i want to move home eventually
May 28th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Seatown,
Right on…See post #448 or so, I covered it.
They want to cry about a no-call but ignore the play from 5 seconds earlier. I would probably do the same if I was a Spurs fan, lol, but since I am not, all I can say to them is….
neeeeeeener neeeeeener neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeener!
May 28th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Seatown, I think Branch will cover Huff at FS and Eugene is pencilled in to cover Wilson. It was interesting to see Rashad Baker getting some time with the first team. I think he has potential, but he is also more of a FS than SS. We need more options at SS.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hey Burgess, aim for Cutler’s insulin pump on the Broncos’ first offensive play of the year! Send him into a coma.
JUST WIN BABY!
May 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
scottish i totally agree the more options the better and i think that whoever plays the best is going to get the spot in the back-up role i think huff and wilson are going to be just fine as the staters and competetion will create at least consistent back-up play
May 28th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
One common roster issue across the AFC West – no team really has much QB depth behind the starter. All the back-ups are distinctly average.
I am still very nervous about going into the season with Andrew Walter and Tui. Surely we need someone better than those two.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Question that can’t be answered until season starts:
Will Lane Kiffin keep the training wheels on McFadden in his first year.
Will Lane Kiffin put more emphasis on passing percentage or touchdowns.
Will the Defense read like a kindergarden book, or will there be nuance.
So I’ll wait until I predict the Raiders crushing domination.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Scottish Raider: underwood sounds interesting. otherwise, it seems that this site is deteriorating again. forget haters. they are the allies of defeat. this business of “musical coaches” has to stop. may as well be now, with kiffin, as ever. players need to learn and PERFECT one system. any will do. do you see successful teams changing coaches every year? no. kiff is as good as most, but this is really his first season with all the personnel changes. let’s stop being stupid for a change.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
scottish it is a valid concern especially with a new LT im hope Cable can get him to play the way he thhinks he can. i think tui is a good one half of a game back up but not game after game. AW is just not in the right system for a pocket passer that is not that mobile. So i guess we have to pray J-Rock stays healthy. and u make a good point this is not just a raider concern it is the whole afc west problem
May 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
i admit being deeply concerned about the LT position. i’d like to see some depth there if this harris crumbles…
May 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
raidersfanindonkeycountry i didnt want your address i just wanted to know what part of town…. lol. Belmont…Bessemer……Westside…..Dogpatch????? I grew up in Bessemer myself imagine that a born and raised raider fan in the heart of donkeyville. I just was raised right i guess thank god for good parents……lol
May 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Kool, three answers (maybe):
1) No, Kiff will give McFadden plays in rotation with Fargas and Bush, perhaps with an emphasis on 3rd/4th quarter action against tiring defenses. I think he will also put McFadden in on passing downs, especially when a blitz is expected. Defenses might hold back on blitzing for fear of giving McFadden a broken field to play in.
2) Kiff will still run first. Firstly, because it is what we are really good at and McFadden, Harris and Wade should be an upgrade on Jordan, Sims and Newberry in the run attack. Secondly, Kiff will not want to overload JR and will look to establish good field position and clock-management through the run. Thirdly, Kiff will want to force opposing defenses to bring 8 or 9 into the bow to stop the run – thus leaving our WRs in single coverage. That is when JR’s arm strength will come into play.
3) I think our defense will be different. I think a fit Tommy Kelly is an upgrade on the 2007 version of Warren Sapp and Sands will improve as a result. I think Jay Richardson will improve further on his promising rookie season. Edwards and Joseph will add more depth to the roster, and Hartwell, if fit, could be a very useful acquisition. We still have two excellent LBs in Morrison and Howard and arguably one of the most talent DB corps in the NFL. And finally, Rob Ryan will be pumped up to do the business. Expect a more aggressive, more flexible, more motivated defense in 2008.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Lets’s hope Robert Gallery can keep his hand in the dirt until the ball is snapped!
May 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
seatown raider
good to know we have decent parents who raise their children in a repectfull manner! RAIDER on my man
May 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
does boston play tonite?
May 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I am reasonably confident about Kwame Harris. Greg Knapp knew him from his time with the 49ers. Harris has good size, good feet and he is supposed to be very smart. So he has the tools. I don’t see a problem on running plays, the worry is on pass-protection.
The LT back-up position is still up for grabs. Apparantly, Henderson is competing with Green for RT and McQuistan is seen as a better Guard than Tackle. Which just leaves Palmer, Wilson and Wand.
Lets hope Cable can weave some more magic.
Oh, and Gallery will be going to the ProBowl next year. Trust me.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Jerry wheres the news we need our fix I thought you were gonna throw on camo and get the undercover dirt! u can do it we believe in u. kinda
May 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
yes they do….big game 5. I want that series to go 7, and I want the Celtics in the finals.
I can’t wait for my jersey from Bill P.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I’m sure Kiffin had his reasons, but he struck me as a very conservative playcaller last year
The QB position is a very important one. Simply handing off is not playing QB.
Kelly, Sands have yet to prove anything. Let’s hope, but I haven’t seen anything to make me feel confident with those two.
On D, the Raiders line up and play the way they have for years. When we had Woodson and James we had a pretty good D. But I haven’t seen the Raiders atop the league in sack since 1967.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
SR: brave predictions. but you agree, we are potentially in trouble at LT, even with cable’s magic. you can’t succeed if you just don’t have the horses…
May 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
aside of Burgess’ pro bowls… leading the nfl in sacks(!?!?)
May 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
speaking of jerseys how many of you guys actualy got those Mcfadden jerseys that were being bet on??
May 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
yeah its gone be nutz lakerz celtics back in it….made for tv moment…you cant write a better script.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
i saw a doode wit a mcfadden authentic number 20 looks golden..
May 28th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
KK-if you had McCown,Culpepper,and a rookie with NO training camp exp.,you’d call conservative plays also.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
u got to be joking golden?
May 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
koolkell he had to be conservative he had a qb who could only throw the ball 15 yards downfield with any accuracy it was a joke to watch them load the box with defenders and have a weak armed qb just watch as they cam or checkdown to hb passes or the run. it will be different this year. scottish made good points about them not being about to just blitz the hell out of us because of the fear of letting dmac get loose and if they do come J-rock can make the throws that mccown could not
May 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
haha ok not golden bad word but it looked like it had been dipped in butter aka clean
May 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
btw Scottish,as of now Wade is the back-up center.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
nfl network had that classic game against denver in the snow where curry had a hellof a catch to win it….and fargas used to wear 20
May 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Can anyone remember when the Raiders were near atop the league in sacking opposing QB’s?
May 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Question that can’t be answered until season starts:
When will MR stop posting as others, particulary Koolkell????
May 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
L12: i didn’t want mcfadden, i wanted clady. but now that we have him, we have to trust that he will make our play-action a concern for opposing defenses. as porter said, and it rang true, when we tried it last year, other defenses just watched.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
mcfaddenswagon
Wheew u had me going there! i heard they might be changing the jerseys this year u see all the guys in camp with the logos on the shoulders those r cool i guess. I think there fine as is but i have no input with MR DAVIS
May 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
It is worth reading the draft analysis on Harris:
BIO: Junior entry who started the past two seasons at right tackle after being used in a reserve role on the left side as a true freshman. First-team All-Conference choice last year after winning second team honors as a sophomore.
POSITIVES: Athletic blocker with the versatility to be used on either side of the line of scrimmage. Blocks with solid fundamentals, gets leverage on opponents, and moves well laterally displaying adequate skills blocking in space. Can slide his feet protecting the edge, adjusts nicely and strong at the point. Jolts defenders with hand punch, controls opponents once engaged in a block and takes them out of the play. Tough and stays with the action looking to take out two defenders out on a single snap.
NEGATIVES: Lacks a true feel for the position; does not effectively use blocking angles or body positioning, misjudges defenders move and overtends or ducks his head which adversely effects his balance.
ANALYSIS: Offers a lot of upside potential which may take some time before it is realized. Not an immediate starter as a rookie but a very solid long term prospect.
Did the 49ers give him time to learn and develop? No, they just threw him in and he drowned. I just think he could be an inspired pick-up for us.
Lefty, good point about Wade. I still expect him to be close to starting by September, but Morris is a really interesting prospect and I can see him pushing Grove off the roster.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Kiffin had Pepper as well. And he’s as of last week, was pitching the idea of JaMarcus completing 65%. Checkdown’s galore.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
no way we cant change are jerseys we’re right behind the cowgirls everyyear in jerseys sales, simple, silver and black,cant go wrong.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Kool, you can expect Kiff to give JR a lot of high percentage options to Miller and Bush/McFadden. I think Kiff would only like JR to throw deep between 8 and 10 times a game.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
are offense should invovle a lot of screens, which where highly effective last year, all different types of run plays, mutliple back sets, are offense is going to have a lot of diversity simply due to mcfadden. And occasionally play action and jamarcus would let it fly. 3rd and long is going to be interesting to say the least this year.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
its one thing to checkdown because of the d but its completely another because you cant throw the ball with any accuarcy and i you and i both saw that Kiff did take his shots downfield but just didnt have the qb’s to execute the plays. dont get me wrong koolkell i know as well as you he is going to be conservative until he knows he can trust the o-line with protecting J-rock. we have to also remember j-rock is a rookie and kiff will have to protect J-rock from J-rock and making rookie mistakes. so conservative is not always bad when u HAVE the ability to to not be
May 28th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
a check down to Bush or Mcfadden =’s 15 yards
May 28th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
It is going to be very exciting this year boys! No QB carousel…get to watch JRuss develop before our eyes…get to watch Mcfadden cut loose (hopefully) Bush will be interesting…Javon,Carter…so much more to look forward to!!! Hopefully the D can stop the run and put some pressure on the opposing qb!!!
And by the way….LAKERS!!! Yeah Baby!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Seatown…everytime I see your name, the Sir Mix-A-Lot song “Sea-Town Ballers” pops in my head.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Scottish
It´s also worth mentioning that Kwame Harris is still very young, he just turned 26 in March. He´s entering his 6th season, but is in fact 2 years younger than Robert Gallery.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Scottish, IMO, QB’s make their money getting the ball to their WR’s. Nothing wrong with a
WR leading the team in receptions.
If he’s going to play it safe with the playcalling like last year, Then it’ll be hard scoring touchdowns. You can’t just let the Defense read your playcalling. Spread the ball around.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
can we give gallary a pay cut please
May 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Look at it this way…
How many years now have all our draft picks and FA’s not lived up to expectation…for whatever reason….we are due to have these guys we bring in pay-off…WE ARE DUE!!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
and we got to young studs in the backfield
May 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
# KoolKell Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
“Will Lane Kiffin keep the training wheels on McFadden in his first year.”
If Lane Kiffin has any say in it, McFadden will ride pine behind Justin Fargas. But I doubt that will be the case.
“Will Lane Kiffin put more emphasis on passing percentage or touchdowns.”
In today’s NFL, the two don’t contradict each other. Putting emphasis on pass percentage is what leads to touchdowns. Putting emphasis on touchdowns (like anyone doesn’t want a quick strike touchdown), is an opposing defensive coordinator’s wet dream.
“Will the Defense read like a kindergarden book, or will there be nuance.”
Rob Ryan is back, despite Kiffin trying to get rid of him. So you tell us.
“So I’ll wait until I predict the Raiders crushing domination.”
Wait, and don’t hold your breath.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Morrison is on NFLN now….let´s see..
May 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
morrison says J-rock throwin laserbeams nice to hear from someone actually seeing him from the defensive side of the ball
May 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
MR, I say Touchdowns are the name of the game. Not passing percentages. They may not be mutually exclusive, but you’re not spreading the ball around when you only throw to the backs or tight ends.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Ok, so Morrison took a first round of questions:
About Russell´s weight: He said he knows him personally and that he´s in the best condition he´s ever been, that it´s not an issue.
He also said Russell is looking outstanding and that everytime he throws he´s right on target…despite receivers being covered, he´s making every throw and he puts some zip on the too.
Tom Waddle asked him about big contracts and wether Burgess or him were more deserving….he said: we need to get better than 4 wins and then chips will fall in line…
About Off-season moves: He said he´s excited about Javon Walker, that when they played him he caught everything at Denver, that it was tough on our CB´s and that he´s gonna help a lot.
He´s like the guest co-host apparently, so he´ll stay there the whole hour, I´ll let you know what else he syas.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Having a decent passing percentage “usually” means that your QB is keeping the ball moving and getting the necessary 1st downs. That means hes moving the ball down the field and getting the team in scoring position because the QB is playing a mistake free game for the most part. Now…its contradictory if the QB is throwing 65% a game with 2 Interceptions. Now hes a pitcher who can strike out alot of batters but lets go of 2 home runs. Completing the passes also means the clock keeps moving and is as effective as the running game.
We may not get the TD we’re looking for but the percentage helps the offense get into scoring position, even if that ends up being a field goal. Thats what the West Coast offense has always prided itself on. Short, quick dumpoffs and slants to keep the chains moving while also keeping the clock turning. Normally, having a higher passing percentage means all those things are happening for the most part.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
what else did morrison say im at work
May 28th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
McFadden is coming up on Total Access as well or thats how I understood it at least.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
That´s it so far dude.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
that´s right Huff24, NFL took our rookies on a trip to Canton and they followed McFadden around, that´s next.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
thats a good point huff because when you complete alot of passes short or to the backs the defense then has to respect the fact the chains are moving they in turn move up and then we go over the top
May 28th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Field Goals is what you get when you have to matriculate the ball down the field 5 yds at a time.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
thanks bob
May 28th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
And then the dink & dunk games gets screwed up by the you know it’s coming Gallery jump offsides.
I agree with AL, too hard to win games with 15 play mistake free drives.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
OMG he said he was a donkey fan growing up that hurts
May 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Tom Waddle is boo boo.
AL, fire Rob Ryan before its too late!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
LMN: sorry, late answer to #492… 4.5 million in the geater bay area.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
lol koolkell its hard to srgue with the fact that we have so many penalties on the o-line hopefully we can clean those up it is dishearting to watch drives get killed by false starts
May 28th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
mcfadden was a donkey fan! he said that a few times! well WELCOM TO THE DARK SIDE!!! Once he feels the love from the BLACK HOLE hell forget all about them donkeys! F#(@ ratface
May 28th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
One false start kills those kinds of drives, those kind of offenses.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Jamarcus throwing laser beams??? Why does that not surprise me.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
we had much less sacks…and less flags…(tho the ones we did get on the o – line were stabs in the gutt)
May 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
maby we can get Dakota to waterboard Gallery into shape
May 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
MB: i’m not that impressed by ryan either, but a consistent system is better than changing systems every year. let’s see what can be done with the current group. is there talent? there hasn’t been for awhile, and now it seems there is (if we sign nhamdi).let’s let them play!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Man, Morrison looked nervous out there. He was stuttering and mumbling under his breath. Brutal!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
KK… hopefully 1) they will happen less in this the second year of the ZBS… and 2) … a high percentage check down to DMC or Bush… will make up for that 10 yard deficit …
May 28th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I agree, however that consistent system put us #31 against the run in 2007.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
i agree with you thats why i said that last year’s offense had no hope cause there wasnt a qb to make any throws downfield i am hoping as well as you that ball control and a little more of an opened up offense will make the difference in scoring tds rather then field goals or drives ended by penalties
May 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Oak- that was music to my ears that he was putting the ball in the right spots even if the recievers were covered i can wait to watch some raider football
May 28th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Tonio, I hope so, but there are many times during the game/season where the Offense is looking at more than 2nd &5.
There are times when you need 15, and they need to be good at those plays as well. Let alone the bomb.
Last year they seems to stuck if they had more than 10 for a first down.
Al will not allow Kiffin to baby Russell this year, I don’t think, and it just doesn’t make sense to do so anyway.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
McFadden at Canton:…Willie Brown showing him around, great experience and all that…. Said he looks up to Terrell Davis because he grew up as a Denver fan. Wants to learn the playbook and do whatever Coaches ask of him. That was it.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
having a high completion % is a GOOD thing people….not a bad thing.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
KK… I don’t think Kiffin wants to baby Russell either… Ad or no Ad… essentially we’ll see a Bronco style offense taking off this year… with an Elway like QB…and a Marcus like RB
May 28th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
last year we had back-up types at qb. that’s true. but there was a reason. the “foundation” wasn’t ready. the raiders had 2 centers in the first 20+ years of the franchise. that’s consistency. and those were the “glory years” that many of you may not remember. jeez, you guys want to fire this, change that, tweak something else. that’s how we keep losing…
May 28th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Kirks nfl video link from today
May 28th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Seatown, we all know about the Howitzer this guy Jam has. What nobody realizes is how mobile and accurate he is, particularly for a big guy.
BHP and a couple of other posters here were arguing with me a few months ago, because I was telling everyone here he’s gonna get physically ripped, and be much stronger and faster. A few posters here were making fun of me for saying that. Guess what? He’s much more ripped, and he’s stronger and faster, and better!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
just timeing routs baby then watch Jam unleash the cannon 50 yards down field to carter who BTW is getting all comfy with Jam
May 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
GO LAKERS!!
SCREW DA GIRL SPURS AND DA BOSTON CHEATS AND DA PEE-STONS!
May 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
and who cares what player followed what franchise when he was young. football is a business, and what matters is who plays for us. look under john matuzak and lyle alzado for former “raider killers” who came to serve us brilliantly. also bob brown, etc.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
i think he has the ability to be one of the greats if he can use all the physical tools he has and becomes a student of the qb position like it seems he is doing it is going to be fun to watch. i think we are on the verge of something special awesome qb 3 headed rb and defense that is trying to improve we cant ask for more on paper anyway
May 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
emmm maybe not…lol… anyways… it’s on the site http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8088b957
May 28th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
i was just kidding coinman it was just funny hearing him lobby for terrell davis in the HOF
May 28th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
If i see JLH streaking downfield, wide-open only to have the pass clank off his hands a la James Jett I am gonna sh!t my pants in frustration.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Quag, don’t forget watching the ball bounce right off Alvis Whitted’s grill 7 yards deep in the endzone versus the Phony Whiners in the preseason last year.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
seatown: fine. then let’s agree to keep the coaching system intact so that he can master these skills. same with the “3-headed running attack”. a new system and playbook every year is going to keep our offense in a state of confusion…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Funny…All of the Kirk Morrison highlights were of him intercepting the ball. Great…we have another Defensive Back at Linebacker. We all know thats what we need.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Morrison´s favorite Raider..Bo.
Waddle says we´ll go 8-8.
Morrison thinks Lakers vs Celtics in the NBA Finals and Boston wins…I guess Dakota won´t be buying a Morrison jersey anytime soon.
Show over.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
i have never once said that changing coaches is the answer i think lane should be the coach and i agree changing systems is just another way to prolong success
May 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I want to go 12-4 more than anyone, but right now 8-8 and seeing progress, would be acceptable.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Bo the athlete/non football player as some would think… imagine that…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
hey fellas it was good to talk footbal today w/o all the other stuff that sometimes happens gonna chill and hang with the wife and watch some hoops i will see you all tomorrow have a goodnight and dream superbowl dreams
May 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
The USC offense that Kiffin helped build rated among the leaders in both completion percentage and yards per attempt, like Kiffin has said, he wants a hybrid type of offense and that´s what he´s working on.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
pft.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k
May 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I’m not a Celtics fan but I’m Irish so that makes me root for them automatically and since the Warriors suck, I’d rather see the Luck of the Irish prevail over anyone else.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Kiffin is trying to do things his way as well as AD’s. AD wants to throw bombs and Kiffin wants to have a controlled offense. I believe Kiffin will work both facets into his game planning which would be something all the other coaches, especially Norv Turner, failed to do. I thought Turner would give us that balance but hes such a coward.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Kiffin didn’t run the show at USC either.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
but he was saw the show first hand,..
May 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Who said he ran it?.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Quag….. Be sure to wear your “paint the house/yard work” pants then,,,lol.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
KK – Thats not entirely true either. He was very much involved. Theres a reason Sarkisian didn’t want to go to the Raiders without Kiffin. Once AD realized Kiffin was the brains of the operation, Sarkisian got the cold shoulder but he made it look like he said no instead of AD saying no. Once AD met Kiffin, AD realized Sarkisian needed Kiffin to run his offense so why hire Sarkisian when you can hire Kiffin straight up?
May 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Bob Marley…Thanx for the Morrison, play by play.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Thats simply my take by the way. I can’t say that I know that for sure but thats how I see it.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
“If Kiffin has any say McFadden will be riding pine behind Fargas.”
LOL! Oh MR, I didn’t think you could top the dumbcrap post of the year in “Bo was not a football player” But yet you topped it by claiming Kiff wants to play an injury-riddled RB over a guy that rushed for 4,590 yards on 785 attempts, averaging 5.8 yards, scored 44 touchdowns at the toughest conference in college football in 3 seasons, and where 20 GM’s in January, according to Charlie Casserly, said was the best player in the draft.
What the hell was an offense-minded coach like Kiff thinking when he said “We had to get him”?…Still LOL at you!
May 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I think Sarkisian was a co-dependant coach who was hiding behind Kiffin.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Kirk liked Bo the most?! An important job for you MR. You better e-mail Kirk and tell him he’s an Al Davis jock-sniffer….Still LOL at you!
May 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I tend to believe what you say Huff… now… add to the fact that Kiffin… ran or was VERY involved in one of the most potent offenses in the country… now he has the chance to do it without the Sark distractions… and to grow on his own ideas… I think he’ll be a stud play caller…and Jmac to Carter/Miller… Bush-DMC-Fargas…have the means of making him coach of the year… (especially with the media not expecting him to finish or start in somecases the season)
May 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Sarkasian, Norm Chow, and the Head Coach, I forget his name. So, there were other people involved there, all I know is the playcalling for the Raiders I saw from his last year, and his love affair with Josh McCown.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrXNwwOlZ30
HUGE hit on Chad Johnson
May 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I think the reason he was so enamored with MCcown… was that he knew what he wanted from Jamarcus… and his skills are more an improvement from Mccowns than would be Peppers… ( tho a young Pepper is a different animal totally )… Kiffin… knowing what he wanted to do later… was laying the ground by utilizing Mccown… ie: rollouts… screens… etc…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Kiffin kept rising trough the ranks of USC´s coaching staff and he kept adding on responsibilities going from Position Coach to Passing Game Coordinator, as well as Recruiting Coordinator until he became the co-offensive coodinator and primary play-caller in the 05 season (Sarkisian was on the field and Kiffin in the Booth), that´s as far as he got because we hired him after that.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Pete Carroll is the HC of USC.
Kiffin took over a brand new team that had sucked the last 4 years. When you just start out somewhere, there are going to be growing pains regardless. Not many teams are immediately great after sucking for 4 years. This team really had to get back to basics so we didn’t see the type of offense you would expect.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Kiffin will hang in there for the long term. This WILL be a good season… get ready for the playoffs
May 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
McCown was a test dummy. Kiffin could tell everyone on the offense, “Look, this is what I want to see. This is what the QB will do and this is what I need you to do.” Now that everyone has the concept of the offense because of McCown’s ability to run it, it will be more natural for the offense to run under JR. McCown is athletic but isn’t a good QB.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I meant 05 and 06 seasons and then we hired him.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Huff… do you buy into the “last year was a throw away year/ experimental year” for Kiffin? ie: doing things on more of a testing grounds for the ZBS and system establishing with Knapp and Cable?
May 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
7yrd. checkdown, McCown was more mobile and knew the Offense better than that pouting slug Bellpepper, thats why he got more time.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Yeah, but Pepper’s a rollout guy too. You see some crazy things as a Raider fan:
I don’t know how anybody sees Randy Moss as a decoy, I’ll never understand that one.
I don’t understand how anybody could see Josh McCown as a NFL QB
May 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I don’t think we should expect playoffs. That would just a big letdown. 8-8 is reasonable. This team shouldn’t have too many expectations other than improving and I think 8-8 is a fair assessment. Can they have a 10-6 record with this schedule? Absolutely…but we have to be fair with this team and understand that its very possible we won’t make the playoffs and we just can’t get too upset about that. Now, if we see 5-11, we have every right to be royally pissed off.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I agree with Huff24 on post 737.
KoolKell
Forget McCown, we have your boy now.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Tonio – I believe the coaches didn’t want to look at it like that. I believe the coaches wanted to win but lets be honest with ourselves. We didn’t have the player personnel to make that happen. I believe Kiffin did everything he could to help this team win and that was their goal but the reality was that this last year was ultimately an experimental year by default. I think everyone could see it. A duck is a duck. Unfortunately, we had to play with the ducks until we could find the Eagles for the next season…ya know what I mean?
May 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
no one should think playoffs….we should hope to see improvement week to week and hope to get a 8-8 record.
As a Raider fan I have learned to keep my expectations low to reasonable so that you won’t be overwhelmingly disappointed in the end. If they do better than you expected…it makes it that much sweeter.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I think it was obvious that Culpepper is not the same player after the knee injury. I think part of it is mental in that he has become more timid but I really think he has lost some mobility and hes not the same QB he was when with Minnesota. Also, Culpepper wasn’t good once Moss left so maybe Culpepper really isn’t as good as we all think he is? Culpepper was terrible without Moss before he got injured. I personally think he was hurting too much last year and theres a reason he hasn’t been signed yet. Hes not a full 16 game QB anymore and he wants to be paid like one and thats not going to happen. On top of that, his attitude is selfish.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If he can’t beat out McCown he should retire asap.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I think he has without his choice.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Hard to say any coach would “say” or want to look at it like that…but… in hindsight… it makes a bit of sense… I’m sure they wanted to win all the time… but … as is said… a duck is a duck… use what you have for what you can…
I think we can sweep the broncos and the chiefs… if we split with SD we’re closer than expected to the playoffs…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Andrew or Tui????
McCown or Bellpepper is yesterdays news.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Hi shut-ins!…any of you goin to Iron Maiden in Concord tonight?….metal rules!!!..so does rape and murder!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Holy crap,..you Nancys still bloggin about backup qb`s???????,…get over it already,..its Russell,..Tui,..then Walter…time to move on now to the next important topic thats dominating your lives.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Out.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
ditto…
May 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Laker Sheep, post 582:
So with your deep wisdom you state: “Laker fans are a microcosm for many of the worst elements of society today.” Sounds like a lot of jealousy and envy in that sound bite, obviously.” So, tell us, what NBA teams represents the “best elements of society today?”
By the way, for informational purposes, you’re statement struck me because my wife and I were shopping at Cosco’s yesterday, I was wearing my Raiders gear, hat, tee-shirt & shorts and a woman pushing her cart & child (from out of the blue) said to me: Your team is made up of thugs and gangsters.
I responded by telling her the NFL doesn’t allow thugs and gangsters to play. Players involved with drugs, crimes, etc, are not allowed to play. I said: All team members come from the same “gene-pool.” 98% of all players come from the NFL draft which is comprised of our college players. She said: “Well, I still don’t like the Raiders.” I said: “That’s your choice and I respect it, but as a closing thought I would like to say that the Raiders are the only professional sports franchise in baseball, basketball, soccor, hockey and football that has a women as a CEO running their franchise.” She said: “So who is she?” “I said Amy Trask.” She proceeded to give me a dirty look and immediately pushed her cart and child away.
What does that have to do with anything. I think it has to do with perceptions. We perceive what we want to perceive about our teams and other teams. In closing, I repete, “what NBA team do you perceive to be the ‘best’ elements of society today.”
May 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
There is one final piece to the puzzle my dear friends…Chad Johnson,..and Odell,..ok,..thats 2 pieces….I wish Megadeth was playin with Maiden tonight,…I raped and killed more ladies rockin to Megadeth then with Iron Maiden,..but Maiden was a close second!!
May 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
I still think Walter is a better QB than Tui. I do think Tui finally found a system that works for him but I don’t know if hes any better than McCown.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Yeah, I´m gonna watch the game…maybe back later.
May 28th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
MR Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I’ll check in with you guys, later. Good to know Freddy Biletnikoff shares the same views I do about the Raiders.
MR or Mo Ron, as he’s known around here has said some of the dumbest things known to man, but this takes the cake. How bout dem Phony whiners, Maddenloser????
May 28th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Huff,..Tui at number 2,..Marc Wilson Jr is 3rd string.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Hello Nation…Love the speculation. I’ve noticed MR is His usuall self. Love Freddy B The Player. The coach…I’ve had my doubts.
Chad J…great player…price probably too high.
Thurman…If His head is right…I’d sign Him.
If I’m speculating I’d bet the Raiders will be top 5 in rushing O.
Jamarcus will have the usuall grwing pains but will obviously make some “Sports Center Plays”
The Raider D will Be 20th minimum or better.
If they can Manage the run D then I would expect higher.
I believe they have enough playmakers on D, and a running game, to provide a a posotive TO ratio.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Riverside: you know i won’t get into it with you about the lakers. but, in a way the raiders are made up of thugs and gangsters. so are all football (and especially basketball) teams. it does’t take a passive mentality to want to do all that mayhem as a career. nonetheless, they also do alot of good in their communities, and to brand only one team as such is ignorant. keep wearing your gear with pride, and challenge all to tell you what team is made up of choirboys. GO RAIDERS!
May 28th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Hello again Nation…with regard to the running back scene…I believe that the depth chart will be established after training camp…by this I mean that if Mc Fadden is clearly “the bomb” then He starts…at half back..over Bush…over Fargus…If all are equal…then Kiffen mixes and matches based on circumstance.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Riverside: besides, that image of the raiders is based on the ben davidson-george atkinson days, and is outmoded and antiquated. actually, we need some more of that raider meanness now. why do you think cities have “raider days” (like denver and KC). that’s based on an old image i’d like to see revived!
May 28th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Coinman…I Hear Ya…I’ve grown up with the Raiders.
1968 was My first game. I have very fond memories of Raiders teams past.
As a fan, I love the idea of Raider Dominance, But In today’s NFL I’d be happy with Raider Relevance.
I’m In…Let’s keep Kiffen and build some continuity.
Then mabey “We” can truely DOMOIATE
May 28th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
LOL…DOMINATE
May 28th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
10-6 or 11-5.
Thanks for the posts everyone! Lots of interesting reads since signing off at 11:10 last night. Nice to get home from work and dive into a lot of pithy discussions.
Nothing to add tonight!
May 28th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
We signed Thurman!
May 28th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Not reeeeeeally!
hahahahahahahahah….made you look.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
DAKOTA…gtfo…SERIOUSLY
May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Dakota…
for real??
or are you joking once again?
May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
LOL…Jackass
May 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
FU Dakota!!
Well I didn’t quite believe it, so no harm =)
well I’m of to visit my Father at the hospital, he is prepped for operation…
May 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Let’s go Celtics let’s go!
Easier matchup for the Lakers.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Joking once Again…Sounds like the title of a song that’s played in a bad movie.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
LMN…best wishes for Your Dad!
May 28th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Seriously LMN? Operation? I hope everything turns out okay for your Dad.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
RaiderLen…
thanx, I’ll know more in 8 hours time :/
May 28th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Tonio, post 705…thanks for the site post.
Wow, this idiot, Tom Waddle is sure a jackoff. It seems we can never have a Raiders take that’s going positive, without some jerkoff, jackoff, donkoff, etc. run his negative jimmer jammers.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Dakota…
thanx to you too, I got up 0400, now checking some news before leaving, I’ll be there 0500 to calm him down, and then the putting him under narcosis at 6… at 1300 he’ll be out of OR…
May 28th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
LMN: I hope all goes well. Thoughts and prayers with your Dad.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
LMN…none of My business, but that sounds like bypass or something just a risky
May 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
thanks to you all…
nope its cancer… kemo and radiation was not an option, so they decided to operate…
well, Im off, and thanks again =)
May 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Coinman, post 763:
Thanks for the comments. I’m positive you wear your Raiders gear with pride as well and you defend our Raider Nation as well. Go Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Riverside: indeed! go raiders!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
LMN: may God be on your side. i’ll keep you in my prayers…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Coinman, post 765:
You’re so right again: MEANNESS…you mean “big-hitters” and we’ve had our share of them over the years…but not lately. We do need the hard, big hitters who put fear into the minds of runners and receivers, especially receivers going over the middle.
Ray Lewis in his prime would have been an awesome MLB for us. A big time hitter, with attitude and a don’t take prisons mind frame.
Until we get those big, hard hitters, with meanness, I’ll settle for hundreds of TD’s THIS YEAR from our Raiders.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Raider Len: we’ll be relevent if we keep continuity of our coaching staff…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
JM change your number….from SI
I DON’T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS, BUT THE AUTHOR IS FROM QUEBEC, AND I LIKE CANADIANS. From Claude Robichaud, of Quebec City: “A little stat to ponder. Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan chose No. 2, but maybe he should have bought No. 12 from Michael Jenkins. Historically, quarterbacks with the No. 12 [Bradshaw, Staubach, Brady, etc.] have started in 22 Super Bowls and won 12. The number with the next-most appearances is 16 (Montana, Plunkett) with nine starts and seven wins. No quarterback wearing the No. 2 has ever started a Super Bowl. Not scientific but interesting nonetheless.”
May 28th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Riverside: we never needed ray lewis. the rules have changed anyway. dan conners and monte johnson did fine for us. they were disciplined and made excellent calls. we always knew that our center was handled with a little legal meanness but alot of COMPETENCE…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Coinman…agreed 100%…wouldn’t mind having a “Tatum” on the roster.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
aussie raider: yes. john madden was very superstitious about uniform numbers. i wish jmarc was 12 or 16.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
come on celtics!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
RaiderLen: you’re right. a little viciousness in the defensive backfield has always had a place, (and doesn’t get noticed by the refs so much)!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Coinman…always good to have the opposing reciever’s thinking about more than just routes!
May 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
RaiderLen: i remember a game in 1976 when lynn swan had an easy catch to make, but although atkinson was out of place, the ball went right through his hands because he heard atkinson’s footsteps! might have changed the game…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Coinman…I can’t claim that I remember that play specificly…but the point is made…soft players are affected by physical play…and that can effect the outcome of games. Hell Atkinson is quoted as saying Swann was “soft”…I love it.
May 28th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
The number is up for grabs isn’t it?
Except JR would have to fork out a load of cash with all the No. 2 jerseys that remain unsold.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Dakota – The Celtics are going to lay the smackdown on the Lakers. Sorry Bro.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Wow.
Wikipedia.com
Daunte was born to a mother who was in prison. However, he was adopted by the late Emma Culpepper, who raised 15 children including Daunte.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Wow again. Culpepper could have been a Yankee?
Wikipedia.com
Because of his athletic ability, there was draft interest from both professional baseball and football teams. Culpepper had a difficult time choosing between baseball or football. In the baseball draft there was interest from the New York Yankees, and Culpepper was seriously contemplating a baseball career in New York, because then-Saints head coach Mike Ditka was planning to draft Culpepper as a tight end.[citation needed] Culpepper decided to take his chance at the NFL, and was drafted eleventh overall in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft by the Minnesota Vikings; he was the fourth quarterback chosen, after Tim Couch (1st overall), Donovan McNabb (2nd), and Akili Smith (3rd). In his first year, Culpepper saw limited playing time and did not throw a pass.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Riverside Raiders Fan Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
“Laker Sheep, post 582:
So with your deep wisdom you state: “Laker fans are a microcosm for many of the worst elements of society today.” Sounds like a lot of jealousy and envy in that sound bite, obviously.” So, tell us, what NBA teams represents the “best elements of society today?”
By the way, for informational purposes, you’re statement struck me because my wife and I were shopping at Cosco’s yesterday, I was wearing my Raiders gear, hat, tee-shirt & shorts and a woman pushing her cart & child (from out of the blue) said to me: Your team is made up of thugs and gangsters.
I responded by telling her the NFL doesn’t allow thugs and gangsters to play. Players involved with drugs, crimes, etc, are not allowed to play. I said: All team members come from the same “gene-pool.” 98% of all players come from the NFL draft which is comprised of our college players. She said: “Well, I still don’t like the Raiders.” I said: “That’s your choice and I respect it, but as a closing thought I would like to say that the Raiders are the only professional sports franchise in baseball, basketball, soccor, hockey and football that has a women as a CEO running their franchise.” She said: “So who is she?” “I said Amy Trask.” She proceeded to give me a dirty look and immediately pushed her cart and child away.
What does that have to do with anything. I think it has to do with perceptions. We perceive what we want to perceive about our teams and other teams. In closing, I repete, “what NBA team do you perceive to be the ‘best’ elements of society today.”
Hey sheep lover -
Learn to read. I said Laker FANS numbskull. Not the actual players. Thanks for proving my point without meaning to. Get a clue.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Coinman….
You may have miss-understood my point on Ray Lewis as I probably didn’t express it well. What I liked about Ray Lewis, and there have been many players like him, many on our Raiders teams as well…is that not only was he a big hitter (he’s lost a step recently) but the most important thing is that he MADE players around him play better. He demanded that they step up…he motivated his whole defensive unit.
On our offensive side of the ball we many have a few players who may make those around them play better…from a Gallery not being off sides…to a FB picking up the blitz…and JR may be that person. When we needed that last touchdown drive with 1 minute to you, the Snake (Stabler) made everyone step up…no dropped passes, no missed blocks…everything perfect and a TD and a WIN as a result.
I don’t see that player on our defensive side of the ball yet. I hope I’m wrong and that we develope that player that has the “meanness” you mentioned, but even more…that big hitter that makes everyone step up.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Riverside. well put, and i understand. we may have that player now, but we’ll have to see. we used to be spoiled in that respect, as we had lots of players who inspired the others to be better than they might have been on other teams. we’ll have to hope…
May 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Just wanted to remind everyone that MaddenRaider is wrong about everything, all the time. That’s it.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Creepy Stalking Weirdo (MR Slapper),
I said that if Kiffin is in charge, Fargas will be his numero uno. That’s right. Kiffin never wanted McFadden. Kiffin wanted a run stopper on defense. But McFadden will probably start, because I doubt Kiffin has any say so over anything anymore. McFadden will block and line up in the slot in Greg Knapp’s offense. In two years, you guys will be scapegoating both McFadden and Russell for how bad we are. I’m sure you’ll have little borderline racist names for them.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
just start winning and nnamdi will stay with a big contract
May 28th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
And, Bo Jackson = Not a football player.
Overachieved at the sport; In high school, in college, and in the NFL. Didn’t want to play pro football. Al Davis made it worth his while. Jackson was impressive until his hip was ruined on one routine tackle. Despite his impressive athletic ability, he did not have a durable frame for football. Doesn’t matter that he lit up Lott and Boz. One stupid tackle, and his hip is gone at age 29. Never plays another down. Add to that the fact that he would have rather pranced around on a fruity little baseball diamond in September and October than get on the gridiron. That’s why the comparison to Gale Sayers is so ridiculous, and outright blasphemous if there’s a football god…
Sayers was a football player. He lived to be on the field. Jackson was an athletic weapon for hire, on a temp basis only. He was overpriced and broke down when he was needed most. Worse than that, the idiotic owner who bought his services, again, at far too high a rate, built his whole team around him with no contingency plan for his demise.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
MR: although i’ve been insulted for talking to you, i put my challenge to you once again. tell us what the raiders have done RIGHT. show these folks that you are not a one-dimensional “hater”. if you are, then just don’t answer. it has been my contention that everyone should get a chance, including the unpopular. it’s up to you…
May 28th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
MR: note: al can’t be a complete moron, even to you. he does have three trophiees, and some of the great teams of history. many of his former players are loyal to him. show us (me) something new!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Coinman, since hiring Lane Kiffin, the Raiders have done nothing right. And when I say Raiders, I’m speaking of management above Kiffin, which is essentially Al Davis. Al and Kiff clashed right from the get go. Al’s biggest priority should be winning, not pulling power trips on his new head coach, or “putting pressure” on him. How stupid. An owner who’s been as bad as Al Davis in recent years doesn’t have the right to test anyone. It’s not like he’s Bob Kraft. His team was the worst in football at Kiffin’s hiring.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Coinman, Ron Wolf is to credit for Al’s 3 trophies. It’s common knowledge.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Coinman, my dog is loyal to me, because it has nowhere else to go. Notice that most players who are loyal to Al Davis don’t have much else, either. A lot of these guys are unemployable. Uneducated and unskilled. The ones that are, not to mention the ones that made enough money to where they don’t need Al, don’t come around Alameda much.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Coinman, I’m out of here. But just so you don’t get me wrong, I root for this team every single game. I’ll be a fan until I die. I’m just realistic. There’s a lot of fans like me but they’ve all pretty much left these blogs alone because they’re tired of dealing with people like Oakglenn. I find him humorous, along with the other hard core Davis shills. It’s good, fun debate. I just hope these guys really aren’t as angry as they act. It’s no way to live. Anyhow, see you tomorrow.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
MR: who hired ron wolff? and of these loyal players, some own golf courses and restaurants, and can say what they want about davis, you, or me. your arguement rings false.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Bob Kraft was no great shakes until recently. and so far as i can tell, all we have is rumor that davis is fighting with kiff. no reputable source confirms this. besides, davis seems to be trying to improve the talent level of the team.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
MR: are you really out of here so fast just because someone wanted to engage you in fair and honest conversation? this would not put you in a positive light (at all). but, if so, our conversation is DONE.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
any raider fans out there
May 29th, 2008 at 1:52 am
Coinman, you seem like one of those really emotional, sensitive types, know what I’m saying?
May 29th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Something fun from donkey land. Maybe they will abduct Davis for MR’s sake.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/28/purported-ufo-video-be-shown-friday/
May 29th, 2008 at 6:43 am
MR Says:
Big Al, so are you saying that Biletnikoff was really referring to Lombardi? Does Lombardi have the final say in Oakland? If so, what’s with the name “Big” Al?
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No, that’s not what I was saying Raider hating whiner fan. What I did say was that Freddie B had no problem saying how he felt so “if” he had a problem with Big AL he would’ve said so. That’s man stuff whiner fan, you might not know anything about that.
May 29th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Eyepatch Says:
Something fun from donkey land. Maybe they will abduct Davis for MR’s sake.
How about the UFO just abduct MR? He’s obviously been probed many times & liked it!
May 29th, 2008 at 6:57 am
MR Says:
Do you guys realize that if Biletnikoff was on this blog and said the same things he said in his interview yesterday, under any old assumed name, Big Al’s Goon would be calling HIM a “whiner fan”?
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“If” Freddie B was on this blog he’d curse you out and tell you to get off MR. Freddie B. is not a weasel he’s a Raider and he said how he felt about what’s going on with the Raiders. The only negative comment said about Big AL was by you. Stop the lies hater Whiner fan or Charger Fan or whoever your a fan of.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Thec,
I hope everything is well with you & expect something your way today or tommorrow.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:08 am
MR Says:
And, Bo Jackson = Not a football player.
Overachieved at the sport; In high school, in college, and in the NFL. Didn’t want to play pro football. Al Davis made it worth his while. Jackson was impressive until his hip was ruined on one routine tackle. Despite his impressive athletic ability, he did not have a durable frame for football. Doesn’t matter that he lit up Lott and Boz. One stupid tackle, and his hip is gone at age 29. Never plays another down. Add to that the fact that he would have rather pranced around on a fruity little baseball diamond in September and October than get on the gridiron. That’s why the comparison to Gale Sayers is so ridiculous, and outright blasphemous if there’s a football god…
Sayers was a football player. He lived to be on the field. Jackson was an athletic weapon for hire, on a temp basis only. He was overpriced and broke down when he was needed most. Worse than that, the idiotic owner who bought his services, again, at far too high a rate, built his whole team around him with no contingency plan for his demise.
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This has to be the absolute most stupidest post in sports blogging history. MR, sir you definitely get the stupid post award. Basically calling Bo Jackson a baseball playing pansy?!! Incredible. Because your mind can’t seem to grasp the fact that Bo Jackson lit up the NFL from 1987 to 1991 and Sayers lit the NFL from 1965 to 1970. Both RB’s sustained career ending injuries and had to retire prematurely from football. What is so hard to understand about that comparison? Open your mind Whiner/Charger fan and allow some knowledge to enter.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:09 am
i DON’T BELIEVE IN YOU jESUS!
May 29th, 2008 at 7:12 am
TW, What up bro. I got the e-mail that it was coming.
thanks . hope all is well with you today. got to get to this meeting….Late
May 29th, 2008 at 7:19 am
BIG AL,
YOU’LL LEARN SOON ENUFF THAT mr is mentally disturbed. He is a fan of San Diego or San Fran & he only posts here for an argument. He knows he doesn’t have to be right, just the fact you acknowledge him feeds his ego. The mental illness comes in when you notice how many times he’s on here to feed his ego. Those who post here the most are fans & want more info on the Raiders, the trolls just want to stir s#!+ with Raider fans. MR is an ULTRAtroll: no real reason to be here but constantly IS. I don’t know what would get rid of him but I do know his ego would shrink if no one would engage his twisted logic.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Thec,
enjoy, it should be their by 10:30 am. with a few extras. You won it, you deserve it!
May 29th, 2008 at 8:18 am
some1 actuallly mad good on a bet good 4 you!!!! I was askin yesterday about all those pre draft bets with no reply. Makes me feel good 2 be part of THE NATION
May 29th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Looking at the current Raiders roster, I dont see lot of depth in the DL positions. The scary thing is those are positions where injuries happen A LOT.
Hopefully we pick up a few more people after June 1, but with these big contracts outstanding (ie Nandi and DMC) I dont see us adding anyone else.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:46 am
yeah, 408RAIDER, I try to look at it as Bush bought it for him(stimulus package) but then again it was my tax $$ anyway. Sigh…
May 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Hey everybody!
Tay… you’re right, our depth at DL isn’t something to brag about, neither is our LB corp, Morrison and Howard is great and I like Robert Thomas as the all round back-up dude, but then its pretty slim. I really hope Hartwell will be our starting ILB
May 29th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Jerry were out of Kool-Aid!!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 8:54 am
nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8088b957
May 29th, 2008 at 8:58 am
La Milicia, hope your father is doing good.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:11 am
DRAFT MCFADDEN!
May 29th, 2008 at 9:19 am
RaiderTW,
Did you see Sharon Stone dropped a karma reference when talking about the earthquake in China. She said: “They’re not being nice to the Dalai Lama, who is a friend of mine. And then all of this earthquake and all this happened and I thought, is that karma? When you’re not nice, that bad things happen to you?”
Do you agree?
May 29th, 2008 at 9:21 am
TW,
More specifically, do you think the earthquake was due to karma?
May 29th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Raiders win the next Super Bowl… due to negative cheating Patriots Karma… and the wrath of the Tuck Rule
May 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Due to GOOD KARMA, the Lakers wrap it up tonight in 5 games per Dakota’s prediction.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am
RaiderTW…
it went super.. they took out the entire cancer knob, so I believe and hope he’ll be fine.
It was bit of a scare, He informed me when i returned from Sweden he might have some “minor” stomach problems… typically old folks, to downsize their problems… well My Mum died of cancer, so we was afraid he too was going to get kemo and later die… But the hospital said wasn’t as grave as in my Mothers case….
May 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Dakota…
I’ve heard a lot of this McFadden fella, what is he about, some baseball player? =)
May 29th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Dakota Says:
TW,
More specifically, do you think the earthquake was due to karma?
i SAW THAT! She doesn’t understand Karma at all. Instant Karma is what she thinks it is. Let me ask YOU do you believe like McCain’s spiritual guide Haygee that Katrina was caused by the sin of New Orleans’ gay pride parade? This begs the question: How do gays cause hurricanes? Both are crazy logic that should be ignored. Stone is known for uncrossing her legs & Haygee is known as a bat s#!+ crazy christian preacher. Neither should garner the news they generate. What do you think?
May 29th, 2008 at 9:45 am
—”Dre’ Bly will miss the rest of Broncos passing camp with a pulled hamstring.
Bly suffered the injury on Tuesday, and is expected to return when team camp starts on Monday. “It didn’t pop or anything, so it’s nothing bad,” Bly said.
May. 29 – 12:39 p.m. ET—
_______________________________________________
Haha (nelson style)
May 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am
RaiderTW…
its typically christian way of thinking, we think in punishments… they think in rewards…
a christian is punished for living a rotten life..
they will be REWARDED a better next life if they live this one right…. to put it simply..
May 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am
TW,
No I do not think Katrina happened because of sin, lol. I think it was due to weather patterns and the damage was due to poor city and county management. And I think the earthquake was due to plate techtonics, not Karma.
If you died in those events it was God’s will. Not Karma’s.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:53 am
karma? gay induced hurricane! Jerry wheres the new fix?????
Sign Nnamdi and McFadden
May 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am
408,
lol, sometimes we get bored here and have to mix it up a little…just sit back and see what comes of it.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:56 am
See what boredom does to people… omg…
May 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I am a Christian and I don’t believe New Orleans was flooded because of gay pride.
Haygee does not speak for me, nor do I think he speaks for God.
I think he speaks for money.
I also do not think a Christian thinks in terms of punishment.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16
May 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am
According to the Contra Costa Times, merging the NFL’s most notorious wide receiver, Terrell Owens with the Raiders’ future cornerstones, quarterback JaMarcus Russell and running back Darren McFadden could be a potent cocktail of offensive talent in 2009. Owens’ three-year contract ends after this coming season and he could command more than the three-year, $25 million pact he got as an Eagles castoff in 2006.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:05 am
not to continue the religious theme …but … what of those who do not believe in him…nor have ever been introduced to “him”… do they by default perish and not have eternal life?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:06 am
But what is more important than 3:16 is 3:17-18
“For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to SAVE the world through him. Whoever believes in him is NOT condemned, but whoever does not believe in him stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”
May 29th, 2008 at 10:07 am
K-rock…
historic speaking and the way of how westerners thinks…
then punishment is way bigger than reward or love…
May 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am
I’d rather have CJ.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Google that question Tonio…
Way to big an answer for me to type.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Dakota…
+1
May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Dakota squats to pee.
Go Raiders.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Dakota
dont get me wrong i enjoy this place. bunch of blogin commics! BTW start my new Job on Monday @ Xenoport didnt even get 1 unemployment check! Bastards
May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
btw…
how many people does there live in the entire bay area?
and i’ve tried to google it..
May 29th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Christianinty is not a western religion…
Its is an eastern religion.
Jesus said the two biggest commandments are this…
“Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
This message of Christ was one of reconciliation, not codemnation.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Sorry guys…
I’m moving on.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Tonio,
That question has always bothered me. I had a family member that was a born again Christian and she insisted that those that did not accept JC as their savior would not get into heaven. I refuse to believe that TW and 3 billion people in Asia and the middle-east, and some Amazonian tribal people in South America who have never even heard of JC are all going to H E L L just because of where they were born or because of how their parents raised them.
There are many paths to heaven, one of which is through JC, and one of which is just living a good life and being a good person IMO.
And don’t take the bible literally…evolution is real. You can’t deny it. Personally I feel G put all of this in motion billions of years ago and no here we are.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am
408,
I guess you’re the one to contact in regards to Restless Leg Syndrome. Good luck in your new position.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:18 am
stfu bro
Laker fans have no idea what life really means. Too hung up on bs. As long as the Lakers win right?
Go Spurs!!!!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Bill Pickel Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
“Dakota squats to pee.
Go Raiders.”
truer words have never been typed.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:20 am
408,
Congrats on the new gig.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Laker Sheep Love Each Other Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Bill Pickel Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 10:11 am
“Dakota squats to pee.
Go Raiders.”
truer words have never been typed.
He was squatting over the Spurs!
Go Lakers in 5
May 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Dakota -
Don’t pretend to give a sh*t about anything. We all know that you are a conservative, right wing, reality denying, head in the sand typical American. Keep buying what they’re selling you, as long as you don’t have to look directly into the eyes of reality!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder
RLS = Prop 215 = medicinal Cannabis!!
Im just a lab tech with invivo exp but thanx 4 the support its hella hard to find work around here!!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
yet another typical loser Laker fan fantasizing about peeing on people. You Laker fans make me ill!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
K-rock…
I’m not disputing what the books says, I’m talking about how the western civilization thinks… personally I too believe in an all loving god, a love with out demands…
But from the 1100 towards today the the punishment idea is the way we westerners think, thats why your former convicts cant vote, not because your love for you nation, but as a prolonged punishment for wrongdoing, thats why men beat their kids only 20 years ago, and some places still happens… Punishment is our first thought, not love…Jesus is the ideal, to love first and only to love…
To sum up, the punishment remark was an answer to why so many westerners have problems with coping the thoughts of Hinduism/Buddhism…
and now i will let it go too =)
May 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
One example you can tell the God of organized religion is a myth is because it is always a man. I don’t recall the American Indians in the bible either, because the people that wrote the books for the organized religions of the world had no idea they existed. An all knowing God that provides devine inspiration would surely tell writers about the American Indians and everyone else in the world not discovered yet.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
What cracks me up is the same Laker fans that are saying “Lakers in 5″ are the very same numbskulls that said “Lakers will sweep their way through the playoffs”. Let me guess none of you lying Laker fans ever said that right?
Pukes
May 29th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Jesus was a Buddhist
May 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Eyepatch….
you nailed it, you should teach kindergarden kids religion, those arguments are solid =)
May 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am
The first writings about a God referred to God as all of the world around us not some figure head for people to follow. Man changed all that to accomodate himself.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Laker Sheep Love Each Other,
Actually I picked them in 7 games and Dakota had the Laker’s in 5. I just didn’t think the Spurs would roll over so easy.
Got it M.R.!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am
BaaaaaaaILOVETHELAKERSaaaaaaaaaaaa
May 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am
BaaaaaaaaaaILOVEOTHERLAKERLOVERSaaaaaaaaaaaa
May 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Now it seems all religion is really used for world wide is to start wars over mythical forces waging war with one another. The message of love and peace does not have to include religion.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Breaking News..
I believe he was j3wish…
of course that was hard to post….
May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am
eyepatch…
once again… you are on a roll
May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I’m not MR got it Numbskull Norm?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am
This gut (MR) tryin to talk smak bout the lakers now geez!!!
Warriors take it all next year!!!!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:36 am
baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaaa
May 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
hey 408 are you really that stupid?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I’m NOT MR you stupid idiots!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
MaddenRaider can kiss my a$$. I am an Oakglenn fan.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Jesus was middle eastern, not some blond haired, blue eyed anglo saxon.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Buddah was a good dude too but I seriously doubt there were more than one.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Some 1 forgot 2 take their meds again
May 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Eyepatch…
For real?
I was sure he was from Denmark, tall and blond, walk on the water down to palestine and spread the word of love… Dang! so he was just a j3w as all the other guys down there, besides the mus1ims and Roman soldiers?
I was sure of he was tall and blond =)
May 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am
My work here is done.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am
btw…
anglo saxon isn’t blue eyed! if they are its because they once got some viking mixed up in their blood =)
May 29th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Laker Sheep Love Each Other Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Dakota -
Don’t pretend to give a sh*t about anything. We all know that you are a conservative, right wing, reality denying, head in the sand typical American. Keep buying what they’re selling you, as long as you don’t have to look directly into the eyes of reality!
_______________________________________________________
Just remember, Dakota is always right.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
RELIGION?!?! All that matters here is what Al Davis’ religion is…
The commandments according to Al:
> Al Davis is the Lord of the Raiders, who brought you out of the land of LA, out of the house of Inglewood, and to the chosen land of Alameda
> Love thy Raiders with all your heart
> Beat thy neighbour as they would beat you if they could
> Remember thy game day and keep it holy
> You shall not covet your neighbor’s tickets
> You shall not bear false witness against Al Davis
> You shall not steal games with bad calls
May 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Dakota for Pres in 2012!
Waterboarding for all!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am
LMN
No muslims yet. Not until the 6th century.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am
and Mccain for your VP Dakota? lol’
May 29th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Confucius say: “Arguing online is like special olympics, if you win you are still a retard.”
May 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am
McCain? Heck no, my running mate would be RaiderDell. I’ll sick him on all the tax problems and we will put this ship back on course.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Jerry do you see what happens when there are no new posts?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:55 am
exLA…
hahaha, yeah thats right, whoops…
just to be safe…. “blessings and peace be upon him”
May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
This is better than having to read about the goddamn lakers.
Basketball is such a weak, lame sport an old man made 5,221 free throws in a row and Labron James cant shoot 50% from the line.
WEAK!!!!
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_most_consecutive_free_throws_made
May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
One of my favorite quotes is:
It would be better for God’s reputation if he didn’t exist.
Meanwhile, I think Al will sign Namdi soon but he has time. Al takes care of his Corners if they stay loyal. I’m with Dakota, sign Chad Johnson!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
are ota’s over or r we gonna get a new fix today?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Golf takes more talent and athleticism.
Please no more laker posts or I will have Satan come into your head while you sleep and take your soul!!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Ted St. Martin was hired by the Lakers to teach Shaq to shoot free throws. Didn’t work.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:59 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder
I told you to shut the hell up about the goddamn lakers you inbreed retard
May 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am
This room is reserved for real Raider fans and you are not one.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am
I’ve tried to google this, cant find an answer… how many people does there live in the bay area… is this a national secret or what?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
7-8 million LMN
May 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
how many names can 1 troll post under?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
666 I hate Laker posts on this site as well, but stick Satan back up your A$$ you freak. Real Raider Fan is here and thats me…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
http://www.bayareacensus.ca.gov/bayarea.htm try this La Mi
May 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Exla,
HOW ‘BOUT THEM LAKERS!
lakerslakerslakerslakerslakerslakerslakers
LAKERS!!!!!!
LAKERS RULE!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am
LMN i think its more like 5.5 mil not shure tho. San Jose is just a tad belo 1 mill tho if that helps
May 29th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Sorry, K-Rock, I can’t get behind a religion that says:
Believe in Jesus or go to hell!
La Milicia Negra, if they are its because they once got some viking mixed up in their blood =)
Odin to me is as valid as the “Christian” god.
On the football side, I think the Patriots’ punishment should be Al Davis has to run their team for the next 7 years!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am
LMN a lot of people…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am
I wasn’t talking to you Temecula (what is that a girls name)
what are you stuck in the 1950’s.
Do you believe in Santa Claus as well?
LMAO
Wake up dude the earth is 4.5 billion years old we evolved here from animals.
There is no such thing as fairy tales flying spaghetti monsters or the devil.
It was a joke you feeble minded fool
May 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am
LMN
The Bay Area had a population of 6.7 Million according to the 2000 census…but the birth rate in that area is pretty stagnant, lol.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Like RaiderTW says what kind of weak minded sheep would get behind a religion that says: (Believe in Jesus or go to hell!)
With the knowledge that we have today not many but maybe back in 1950 with wally and the beaver you could co-exists temecula
May 29th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Dokata please exit the Raider room and go directly to the gay trolling LA laker room with your posts
May 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am
SilverNblack666=M.R.
Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers,Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers,Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders,Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders,Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers,Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers,Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about those Lakers Dakota!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am
My Karma ran over your Dogma!!!!
SilverNblack666, I think Aleister Crowley is closer to being “holy” as anyone who walked the earth. He was so against dogma that he doubted ANYTHING that didn’t produce results. He wasn’t a Satanist(one of the biggest lies told about him) he pursued ENLIGHTENMENT thru Magick.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am
SilverNblack666=M.R.
Thank you. The real Silver&Black666 is well thought out, excellent poster and will be back in here as soon as the season gets close. Mo Ron is posting as some of the excellent posters like COW, Kool Kell, me, Raider Dell, because otherwise, no one would ever acknowledge him. Maddenlosers chief concern should not be anything Raider but whether Shaun Hill or Alex Smith is going to start for His Whiners!!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Which NFL team is the opposite of the Raiders?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am
TW…
LOL, yeah that Odin fella was a pretty wise and conniving old fart – a lot like Al Davis… and I like you proposal for punishment of the patsies…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
6.7 mill…. okay that was I thought just a tad higher number than our entire country =)
May 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
The niners do everything opposite
May 29th, 2008 at 11:20 am
raiderTW…
colts is everything raiders haven’t been the last 7 years
May 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Laker Sheep Love Each Other Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
MaddenRaider can kiss my a$$. I am an Oakglenn fan.
hahahahaha!!! Sweeet! Thank you.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Jerry Mac…. A little help here.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am
RaiderTW
You rock!!
well put
I couldn’t have said it any better myself.
I’M IN!!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am
909raiderlifer
WHHHHAAAAAAA
MOMMY!!!!!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:23 am
btw,Bo wasn’t hurt on a routine tackle,it was a horsecollar tackle-the ones now outlawed.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Don’t argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Laker posts and any non football related posts for that matter are getting annoying on here why not go to the warriors blog and start talkin Basketball this is a RAIDER NATION BLOG about FOOTBALL not laker warrior spur politic ish ya know can I get a GO Raiders or what?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder
you react like a 12 year old. Come on man show us you are a smart human being put together a complete sentance.
One that doesn’t include the Lakers in it.
I can help you. See spot run.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am
SilverNblack666=mr
I attended 130 straight home games over 14 yrs in L.A. and Oakland. All the preseason and regular season games. Who the h*ll do you think you are questioning me being a fan of the Raiders. I also went with the booster club to away games you sh*t faced moron. You talk trash but don’t walk the walk. Go back into your hole and j*ck off!!!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Thank you Anthos
That is what I have been saying
May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Not one mention!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
so if you guys had a choice on who to pick up would it be odell thurman chris henry or another LB that might be on the outs or grady jackson I would actually lobby for all three if I can or even Henry and Thurman
May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder
That was almost a complete sentence. Very good except for the expletives.
Maybe next week we work on your verbs.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
it freakin sucks im at work being able to add to this blog and submit things but when I get home and try to do the same it wont post anything does anyone know what the deal is with that?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Anthos I say Grady Jackson to shore up the run D
May 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Anthos,
I’d wait until the June 1st cuts and see who is out ther. I wouldn’t rush it.
Go Raiders!!
Go —–’-
May 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
666….GFYS. This place goes to hell when the posts get up to 1000 or 48hrs. between them.
Then jackasses like you troll around here with NOTHING to say, but the same old tired B.S.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I grew up in Texas (you don’t have to feel sorry for me) where EVERYONE was a Dallas fan. They had the manequin Tom Laundry who computerized his offense. Raiders had Madden who screamed at officials. I wish I had saved it but there was an article that say the Raiders not Dallas were America’s team because they took in the retched refuse that the other NFL teams didn’t want and turned them into a real fighting machine. Al Davis was the real pioneer that was G Washington. Dallas was this squeeky clean, christian QB, polished white team(uniforms not race) while the Raiders were the down & dirty, Ben Davidson, long haired, get down in the gutter & mud MAN’S sport renegades that stopped at nothing to win games. Dallas is my opposite to the Raiders.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am
it wont let you post from two different IP addresses with the same email address as to keep out trolls like Dakota
May 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Grady would be alright except he is a little old and I would love to have a waaaaaaaaaaay above average LB core with the addition of thurman plus he is a lot younger than grady if I wanted a DT I would def want Grady but I like LB so…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Anthos…
I don’t like Grady anymore, but we are thin so if he only are to play 4 games then okay… I’m all for Thurman, I worry a lot about our LB’s…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am
so if i use my same name at my work and the same one at home it wont work from my home so would I have to change my name or my email which one
THanks
May 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Snb666…
I post from at least 6 different IP’s…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am
909raiderlifer
I was talking football and wanted the damn Laker talk to end and then you but in and you whine like a 49er fan.
I couldn’t resist calling you a baby.
So shut it and back to Raider talk
May 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Yes I agree LMN I check out profootballtalk a lot and liked you comment on the whole kiffen thing a couple days ago kawasaki sux
May 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Anthos…
no, keep your nick and the email…no problems with that…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Come on guys, let’s get back to talking about the Raiders….
(Crickets chirping)
Is it June 1 yet?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am
LMN how the hell do you do that?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am
so how can I be able to post from home and work what do I have to do
May 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Anthos I couldn’t agree more that guy hates on us every chance he gets
May 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I do keep my nick and email but when I submit my post nothing ever shows up
May 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am
This one time…at mini camp….
May 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
thsi one time at minicamp will buchanon was getting off and then disappears
May 29th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Anyone read any good books lately?
LMN, when are you going to read the Master and Commander series?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:39 am
thats weird…
I post from work, there is at least 4 ip’s at the office.
i have two at home, when I visit my father or family I use their ip, never been any problems…
only posting country names, urls and religions =)
May 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Dakota…
I’m reading a book about a tiny town where my great great grand father lived when a part of Denmark was German…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I know this sux I even had to reinstall windows on my comp at home due to a virus and I thought that it would let me but it didnt let me submit anything so when I get home all I can do is read that G_A_Y
May 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Funny how everyone bashes Christians. I have not bashed Raider TW nor Dakota for their beliefs. I may not agree with them, but they are free to choose.
Seems only Christian people get bashed. Everyone else is free except us.
Dakota…
Islam, Christianinty, Hindu, and most other world religions say they are the only way. All say that if you do not believe their way, you can’t get where you want to go.
So if all of them say this, how can they all lead to God?
Also, if they all say this, why do they all have the right to voice their beliefs, while Christians are being silenced and ridiculed?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
yeah lets all talk about religion polotics and lakers and books we’re reading….ON A RAIDERS BLOG
L_A_M_E
May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I wish we had pursued Julius Peppers, that guy was great! He was good for 5 ints a season working the D line. I would have felt better about drafting McFaddy if we got Peppers.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
K-rock…
when have any here bashed you and your beliefs
May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dakota,
This man is a Laker fan and friends with Jerry Buss.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w205/bradcymru/aldavis.jpg
May 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am
who do only windows programs get virus’ ? not Mac’s
May 29th, 2008 at 11:46 am
A Good book is “Born To Witness”, It’s about a young mixed race kid (Liberian Father, German Mother) growing up in Nazi Germany. Touching.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
tonio good question it has to do with the way the operating system is ran macs are diff than pc you dont even need virus protection on macs so I dont know if you go to the apple website they might have an answer for you
May 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Guess who I met this morning?????????Rob Ryan. Going into Safeway, where else. I shook his hand and wished him best of luck, he was nice.
Then he said it looked like I played ball at some time. (Im Tall) At first I was flattered, then I though this guy really is full of BS.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
K-rock,
Because, our nation is no longer ruled by the majority. The minority (and I am not talking race) now dictates to the majority all of our social policies and ways of thinking. So they can bash Christians, but Christians have to shut their mouths and take it.
Just one of the reasons our nation is going to heck in a handbasket.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Tonio…
because of availability… why make a virus that only hit 8% when you can make a virus that hit 92% ???
May 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I wish we would have went after peppers too I knew when I saw him get drafted and watching highlights of him he was going to be a beast
May 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
the bungholes just cut Doug Gabriel….nah we dont need him
May 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Tonio,
Saturday, I did a google seach for ugly women to link here as a joke. As soon as I clicked on the site, Windows told me my computer was infected. It took an expert 4 hours to get rid of it. It overrode my spybot and mcafee protection. What a hassle.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Exla,
I wish Jerry B. would give that guy some tips on how to run a franchise.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am
New Post!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:53 am
K-Rock Says:
Seems only Christian people get bashed. Everyone else is free except us why do they all have the right to voice their beliefs, while Christians are being silenced and ridiculed?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Christianity stomped all over this world for generations killing & torturing if you didn’t convert. I’m just against the mind control aspect of christianity. Decades of tyranny & you say “Everyone else is free except us” in this day & age Muslems are the new whipping boys for the christians meanwhile teaching love for everyone.
You’ve been watching too much O’rielly: War against Xmas/Christianity! hahahahaha
May 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
LMN,i watched the snow game in donkeyville the other day and S.Williams was all over the field-had a great game.when healthy(big ?)he is a more than capable LB.our LBs aren’t that bad if the DL does its part.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
1st, lol,lol
May 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Dakota, the oil and military industries rule this country. If you don’t like people bashing X-mas, take it up with them. They don’t care. X-mas bashing atheists buy gas, too. The customer’s always right. Love America or leave it, crybaby.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am
KoolKell Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
“Guess who I met this morning?????????Rob Ryan. Going into Safeway, where else. I shook his hand and wished him best of luck, he was nice.
Then he said it looked like I played ball at some time. (Im Tall) At first I was flattered, then I though this guy really is full of BS.”
KK -
I have to start shopping at the Safeway in Alameda. I remember you telling us last year that you met Nnamdi there. When you run into JaMarcus let him know I said hello.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Raider TW,
Thank You! I can’t believe even on a Raider site, I have to hear white christian males, crying that they have it so rough. Boo Hoo, people don’t like my religion because we tryed to ram it down their throats for 2,000 years. Sack up, times are tough all over.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Why shouldn’t christian people get bashed? They truly believe there’s an invisible man in the sky and that they’re going to spend they’re eternity in this beautiful fortress up in the clouds. Nut jobs like this deserve to be bashed. Thank god we live in a country where we have the freedom to bash them (no pun intended).
May 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Lefty12
yeah I had high hopes for him too, when he blocked a kick, cant remember if it what a FG, punt or what…
but he is like betting on and old horse.. hope he has it, but he never showed us a total season, the LB’s is such an important aspect of modern football that, this is where i see our greatest concerns…
May 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Dakota-the christian right is the minority that is running this country-that’s why its going to heck in a handbasket.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
“1st, lol,lol”
Please extracate your nose from Dakota’s ass. Have some pride man.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Dogg,
HOW ‘BOUT THEM LAKERS?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
The Catholic church is guilty of many things TW, but they do not represent Christianity as a whole.
You need to educate yourself about Christians and their beliefs and the history of the church before you start agruments.
Muslims are the new whipping boys for Christians? Give me a break.
By the way, I have a degree in Religion and have studied multiple world religions during my university days.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
christians also invented terrorism. Ask anyone in Europe, or the American Indians. christian dirt bags wrote the book on terrorism.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
White christian males? What kind of racist junk is that?
I have not tryed to cram anything down your throat. Plus, try going to a Muslim country and see how much freedom you have.
This is not about America.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Mark Madden got fired from BSPN radio!!!hahahaha for making fun of Ted Kennedy’s cancer. Remember that loud mouth who is always on the NFL network top ten? Pitts. steeler announcer. Good riddence!
May 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
This vicious religious fight on the Raider blog and I get dissed for posting on the Lakers. SilverNBlack666-MR, go back to your crib. Your depends needs changing.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Dakota -
That team from Southern California looks like they can ball a little. That #24 seems to have matured and is truly coming into his own. That was a very hard sentence to type. The California Lakers will beat the Celtics in 5.
On another note I heard a rumor that Baron Davis wants to be a New York Knick! Talk about heck in a handbasket!
May 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
K-Rock,
Brent Barry is an atheist…that’s why he didn’t get the call, lol.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Scott, you watch too much tv
May 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I think jesus christ is a pretty cool fictional character, though. make no mistake, jesus was the original hippie. Even looked like them. Too bad very few christians ever do what jesus would do. they’re the opposite of him. they’re hateful, vengeful, warlike, and most of them actually believe that having hair like jesus lacks “class”. These idiots actually threw out the beauty of their own religion. They only focus on the draconian parts. In fact, anymore, they only focus on the anti gay parts of the bible. Psychologists have proven that most anti gay people are gay themselves. Did a study with 10 anti gay guys. showed them gay porn, and what would you know, their soldiers started showing up to the battle field. They were starting to get hard. Denial aint just a river in Egypt. Add to that the pedophile priests, and it’s quite obvious christianity needs to be abolished.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
One of my favorite scenes form Spin City…
Carter refers to himself as a minority and Stuart sarcastically remarks “What do you mean, a “minority”? You’re black and you’re gay. You cover up two thirds of the Earth’s surface. You’re like water.”
change the black with white and gay with christian… its sop hard to be white and christian… LOL
May 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
LMN,remember our LBs are still very young.now that they’ve played together for a couple years we should see much improvement this year.instead of bringing in castoffs from other teams,let’s let these kids jell together.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
purposely searching for ugly women or ugly anything should produce a virus…lol
May 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I’ve been a fan since seeing tuzak pop out of the limo with two bottles of champagne when they beat the eagles. I was a Raider for life at that point of 12yrs old. No knock on Nmandi, but I just dont see the type of calibur player that this hype has him at. i would like to see some more picks throughout the year due to the avoidance of throwing halls way. I guess Im just comparing him to some of the greats in my opinion like Hayes, Haynes and Woodson b4 the turf toe crap. Just keep pickin em Nmandi and I will write you as a legend if you do.
Raider 4 Life
May 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dakota…
LOL! Maybe it was because he’s a white male, christian terrorist dirt bag who killed indians and little children.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dogg,
Didn’t we have a bet on who would make it further in the playoffs, Ws or Lakers?
http://blog.makezine.com/goggles.jpg
May 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
ohh are we talking terrorism now…
first documented terror attack was in 1807, battle of Copenhagen.. the English deliberately bombarded the civilian quarters…
christian against christians btw
May 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Scott, you live in rather large fantasy world don’t you?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
MR has become the whipping boy for everyone that has someone disagree with them. Instead of realizing that more than one person may disagree with them it’s all MR’s fault. Hilarious.
exlaraiderseasonticketholder needs to realize that many people don’t agree with him, including me and many others. It must be so easy to convince yourself that it is only 1 person that disagrees with you, not the many people that actually do. Denial king. Why don’t you look to the only person that ever agrees with you, just remove your nose from his ass to get started. lol
May 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Not so Kool Kell, ask any native American about christian dirt bags and their terrorism.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Lefty 12…
i dont fear about the abilities of Howard or Morrison they sure both will get 115 tackles this season…
but what about the last 1/2 spots… and if one of our young studs (God forbid) gets on IR…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
sjb… Nnamdi grew into one of the more dominating corners in the entire league… back in the day… when Hayes n such played… coverages and penalties were different…they had more opportunities to gather pics… if anything I think Hall will have more picks than Nnamdi because they’ll be throwing more his way … that won’t mean that Hall is better…just that he had more opportunities…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
You guys need to study the history of Islam before you start bashing Christians.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that non-believers should be killed.
People have done terrible things in the name of science. Does that mean we should kill all the scientist?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Dakota -
Yes we did and I am wearing said goggles as I type this. They are very comfortable and don’t fog up at all! Chicks dig ‘em too. Best bet I ever lost.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
K-Rock Says:
The Catholic church is guilty of many things TW, but they do not represent Christianity as a whole.
—No but they ARE the standard & playbook for the rest of you guys.
By the way, I have a degree in Religion and have studied multiple world religions during my university days.
—Then surley you know that Christianity is the majority in America & most of western civilization. Every moral issue is passed thru them & held our feet to the fire (litterally!) if we don’t conform. America is(was going that direction) with the Declaration of Independence, Bush hijacked your religion to get you to vote for him then turn this country into a huge stinking ple. Before you tell me this is a Christian country stop right there! This country was founded by Masons! Keeping God out of it as much as they could. You’ve ruled long enough but let FREEDOM ring. Don’t lecture me about religion until you admit yours committed atrocities “in the name of god” so horrendous you would make Jesus puke!
I have a couple of degrees too.