Looking for a middle man
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 10th, 2008 at 11:55 am in Oakland Raiders.
Sixth in a series of concerns regarding the makeup of the 2008 Raiders with the reporting date approaching on July 24 at the Napa Marriott:
Lane Kiffin would never admit it, but the Raiders’ startling lineup will be set when the team reports to the Napa Marriott on July 23.
The only gray areas for the silver and black are at right tackle, where Mario Henderson hopes to unseat Cornell Green, and center, where a three-way battle between John Wade, Chris Morris and Jake Grove will be one of the most interesting competitions during training camp.
Kiffin has warned against reading too much into minicamp lineups, but the largest share of first-team reps during media availability periods has gone to Morris, the third-year player out of Michigan State.
Wade worked with the first team during one of the organized team activities, while Grove, who was thought to be the center of the future when he was drafted after Robert Gallery in 2004, has been rehabbing a knee injury and could be getting his last chance to claim the position assuming he is healthy enough to play when camp opens.
Morris is the least powerful and talented of the three players but may be the best at executing the cut blocking that the zone blocking concept requires. It is not unusual for zone blocking teams to utilize smallish centers who can move, guys who wouldn’t have a chance to even make a roster on power blocking teams. Denver did this for years with Tom Nalen.
Wade, 33, would be another temporary fix along the lines of Jeremy Newberry, although a more durable one.
In five seasons with Jacksonville and Tampa Bay, Wade has started 106 out of 126 games played. He is a smart, capable veteran who Kiffin said would be similar to Newberry in terms of being a leader to a relatively young line.
Although Newberry wanted to return, and Tom Cable wanted him to return, chances are Al Davis made the right call on this one. It was remarkable to see Newberry hold up as well as he did, and it’s difficult to imagine it happening again. He is probably better off as a backup at this stage of his career, which is what he will be in San Diego.
Grove came out of Virginia Tech with the reputation of having a nasty streak, and was in fact a bigger star at defensive tackle than as an offensive lineman as a high schooler in Virginia.
But all that attitude hasn’t been enough to move defensive linemen consistently at the NFL level. As a result, Grove has worked on building up his upper body while rehabbing his knee. It remains to be seen whether the added bulk will hurt Grove in terms of executing the footwork the blocking scheme requires.
Kiffin went out of his way to talk up Grove as an important part of the center competition. Short of that, if he is healthy enough, Grove would be the most likely of the three players to bring something back in the form of a training camp trade.
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July 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
nope
July 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Raiders anyone??
July 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Yay! Third
July 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
My Life AS MR Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
MR its good for you to bring up ol stuff..but when you get dinged by Marley you cry about him going back to find your garbage on RF.net..
…..
No crying at all. It is what it is. I said “from the start”, and that wasn’t true. From the start, I thought Shell would be like Gruden. But by the pre season, it was obvious to me Shell was a puppet. He ditched the run in the pre season, and never went back to it Obviously, crazy Al felt that he didn’t sign Aaron Collins (or was it Kerry George??…oh now, I know who it was…JaMarcus Walter!!) to hand off the ball, and Shell buckled. At least that’s my take. But I was off board before the season even started, and that’s what I meant. Were you? Or did you believe Shell would “bring back the discipline (mark your words…)”, all the way till December?
Anyhow, you guys are welcome to fish up any quote you want from me on the web. I’ll back up anything I’ve ever said. But have you seen Marley’s ridiculous explanation yet for saying, in the same breath, that Sapp was referring to Turner and Shell when bashing the organization, but that he was also somehow lying??? You’ve never seen me flip flop like that. I just misjudged Shell’s character coming in. I thought he was his own man. But it turned out he’s just another pushover that the crazy one hired because he was easy to control.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Of course, when I say marley said Sapp was lying, I’M the one who is lying, because what he actually said was ’should be taken with a grain of salt’, but what do you want from me, accuracy? Yeah, right. Good one!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Jerry another good article…
I didn’t know Grove was a D-line guy in high School… Was he a run stopper, then I have an Idea when and how to use him again =)
I really hope Wade only is an interim center and that Morris will take over the spot during the season
July 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
LMN,
In high school most guys (if they’re that good) play both ways. Meaning offense and defense.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
MR Says:
June 28th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Hey, about the bet with Dakota. I lied to him. Big deal. I respect the respectable. Dakota? Come on. I’m here. Deal with me, ladies.
MR Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Of course, when I say marley said Sapp was lying, I’M the one who is lying, because what he actually said was ’should be taken with a grain of salt’, but what do you want from me, accuracy? Yeah, right. Good one!
..
Accuracy..you have nevernever been right about anything..and of course we knwoo..you lie alllllllllll the time..nice try..liar..thug
July 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
What he hell is happening Raider Nation!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
137..
but rather than let him sit on the bench, I’ll try him out to see if he could stop the run, his upper strength is good enough…
well I know its just speculation, but if we cut him it would be another high pick wasted..
July 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Cut blocking or no, you need power on 3 & 1, no?
July 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I would hate to see him get cut.
Grove was an absolute stud at VaTech….nobody can dispute that. I’m sure most of us thought he’d be the next in line of great Raider centers.
He needs to pull his head out, get healthy, and get his mean-on back.
Look on the bright side, at least we’re not JAX and had our former first rounder Matt Jones busted for coke.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The Raiders couldn’t resign Newberry even if he was decent last year. They needed to get better, stronger and younger at the position. You really want Grove to be the take charge guy.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Don’t worry, though. I’m sure Al will figure something out — he always does, god love him!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Grove has been plauged by injuries and has been victim to different coaches this will be his year to excel! Watch
July 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
El Dirty..
hope your right…
July 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
JERRY MCDONALD, JON BECKER, MODERATOR theres TWO KoolKells here please get rid of one
July 10th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
KK,
If there’s one position Al’s had consistent success at it’s Center: Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Robbins (pre-meltdown)….still hoping Grove is the next guy.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Yeah they’ve been good there traditionally. And I think O-lineman develop slower than other positions. It’s a strength position and older guys are stronger than younger ones. Grove could still be the one.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Can’t help you, my man.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
i didn’t get the chance to read the article…
but it struck that MR is a middle man…
oh…
what???
oh…
pivot man… pivot man… got it…
sorry… the term is pivot man… not middle man…
apologies to all middle men out there…
July 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
hmm
im not in my groove… this could go expensive :/
July 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Jerry, get off you ass and fix this site…ban these jokers…hell, get rid of me if you must…just clean this place up!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
grove better step up or get thae ufck outa here…
July 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I agree we need a solid c to man the middle It was hard to watch especially when we played tenn watching haynesworth, even though he real real good just completely destroys our guys and we haven’t a chance to run our plays I also recalling shaun rodgers blowing things up like he’s an allstar, we need someone who has the strength to atleast hold their ground because russell is gonna need time and I would hate to see when we run a playaction pass russell will have his back to the line for a moment get crushed unexpectantly because we get destroyed in the middle
July 10th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Lamar Odom might get traded for Ron Artest and Kenny Thomas…
There Jerry, I am going to start the NBA talk again unless you clean this mess up!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Nba talk is out especially the fakers
July 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Grove ain’t it… he will never be it…
Wade will work until we find the right guy…
but Grove??? no… he’s done…
less than ordinary at best…
July 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Jerry Mac….
Nice read, keep ‘em coming.
This will be one of if not, THE most important lineup decisions that Kiff & staff will make at this years camp.
Wade, could be the guy to start, for the fact Russell is going to need all the help he can get, in reading the blitz. This is where a experienced vet at Center can help him the most in this regard.
And the opposition will be giving Russell a ton of blitz looks at him, just to try and confuse him and to test him. Or to try and put him on his considerable backside.
Jerry, I had a hunch that it was the wrong NAPA for old Chevy parts..
July 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I havent’ written in here in a while (except for quick posts) due to the craziness.
CT RAIDER
July 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Fl Pete…
think you’re right, I think his injuries just made him worse
July 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
LMN
Me too!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Hey Dakota,
About 80 year olds, T Boone Pickens is championing alternative energy strategies. Proposing Wind Farms all through the Dakotas.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
MATT JONES arrested for cocaine possession. said he was in his car cutting it up w/credit card. I thought he was going to be a great player! always hurt, though. qb at arkansas and wr at jacksonville.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Dakota; if the league allows that trade i’ll never watch bball again. it’s getting ridiculous. They’re suppose to be fair trades.. Gasol was a x-mas gift!
How about philly dumping 2 players and a #1 for a #2??? WTF???? how is that fair??? they didn’t even get a player. they just wanted to free up $ for Brand. how can you trade a #2 for a #1 BEFORE the draft????? the league is a joke.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
tony sparano from nh, ct
belechick Wesleyan u in Middletown, ct….
mangini went to Wesleyan in middletown, ct
three coaches from the nutmeg state!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
And because we all know that ‘ol Robbo/AL don’t blitz. Russell won’t see much until the season starts, cause he sure as hell won’t see many blitzes in camp.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
You know who copped the dope for Matt Jones?? Javon.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Better hope it wasn’t another #1 pick from Arkansas. That hooked up Matty.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
can’t be true… Javon woulda got hisself robbed before he would have been able to give it to Jones…
July 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
T Boone Pickens is an old-school oil guy, and he knows we can’t drill our way out of this mess. Solar panels in the Southwest and wind farms in the midwest, lets do it. BTW, why does Matt Jones have to do his yayo in his car? Couldn’t spring for a room at the motel 8 to be a little more covert?
July 10th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I wonder how Javonagogetsomeblow Walker is doing. The two prisoners have pleaded not guilty. I can’t wait to hear their story.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Morris is a certainty for the roster because he can also cover the OG position – and we don’t have much depth behind Gallery and Carlisle. Unless Wade struggles with the scheme, his leadership and toughness will be invaluable. That makes Grove the odd-man-out.
I wonder if Kiff is talking Grove up in order to increase his trade value, or whether Grove too may make the transition to OG?
And don’t forget Jesse ‘Mr Headlights’ Boone. He just may surprise some people in camp and find a spot. Had anybody heard of Jon Condo last July?
I still think RT is more of a worry that Center. I have read the postings about Green and Henderson, but nobody has yet explained why McQuistan is not in contention. He did a solid job in the last four games of the season.
I disagree with Jerry, I think this OLine is far from settled and that Kiff, Knapp and Cable are going to be tinkering with the line-up well into August. Expect some surprises.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
CT RAIDER Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Dakota; if the league allows that trade i’ll never watch bball again. it’s getting ridiculous. They’re suppose to be fair trades.. Gasol was a x-mas gift!
How about philly dumping 2 players and a #1 for a #2??? WTF???? how is that fair??? they didn’t even get a player. they just wanted to free up $ for Brand. how can you trade a #2 for a #1 BEFORE the draft????? the league is a joke.
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Why? I hate that trade. I’d take LO over Artest any day…Artest has to play one-on-one to get his shots…bye bye triangle.
I don’t know…Kobe + Artest would be a great defensive combo…
July 10th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Yeh, when Marley says that you should take what Sapp says “with a grain of salt”, what do you think Marley is implying there, that Sapp is being honest?
Again, I’d have to straddle the fence, spin, and flip flop with every single comment from here on out in order to do it half as much as Marley does.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
o/~ You know where you are? you are in the Jungle, Baby, and you gonna DIIIIIEEE o/~
July 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Denver just scored.
Broncos 7, Raiders 0.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Hey Dakota,
About 80 year olds, T Boone Pickens is championing alternative energy strategies. Proposing Wind Farms all through the Dakotas.
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that blows
July 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Axle Rose is gay. It’s common knowledge. That’s why Slash isn’t going back. Sorry, LMN.
Broncos 10, Raiders 0. Broncos hit a 40 yarder after recovering a J Russ fumble. J Russ dropped back 7 steps and got pounded by a lb and a corner. Ball went straight into the air. Kiffin’s headset isn’t even plugged in. He’s reading a book. 10-0, Donks.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Raider mount drive, come up with field goal. 10-3, Denver. Raiders drive consists of mostly short passes and running. While Jano boots extra point, Greg Knapp is on the sideline phones..his face is red, and he looks intimidated.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Denver 13, Raiders 3.
Raiders ball.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
INTERCEPTION. J Russ drops back 7 steps and fires down field just as he’s pounded by 3 blitzers. Ball lands practically in Bailey’s lap.
Denver Ball, on Raider 45.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
MR…
I don’t give flyings rats ass about who is and who isn’t gay, fact is, they made some fantastic albums and some of the best rock songs…
tried some Pink Floyd earlier, kept losing, changed to guns, and now in the lead…
July 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
I think McQuiston is more of a power player.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Raider D holds. Donks settle for another FG. 16-3, donks.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
FUMBLE.
Russell is pounded again, dropping back 7 steps. Denver D lineman lands on the ball. Bronco’s ball, Raiders 35. Lane Kiffin looks up from his book, then looks back down and flips the page. Knapp looks dejected. Sideline phone is ringing.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
TD Denver. 23-3.
Halftime.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Second half. Denver stays on the ground, shreds the Raiders D to their 25 yard line. Settles for field goal. 26-3, Donks.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
At halftime MR’s mom comes down stairs and is somewhat surprised to find her son jerking it to pictures of Joe Montana; he usually uses a picture of Steve young.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Raiders 3 and out. Punt. Now late in 3rd quarter. Denver’s previous FG drive to open the half took 10 minutes off the clock. Rob Ryan is livid…yelling at Knapp. Raiders’ D is watching the argument while drinking gatorade.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
A male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask
over his mouth and nose. A young student nurse appears to give him a
partial sponge bath.
>’Nurse,’ he mumbles from behind the mask, ‘are my testicles black?’
>Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, ‘I don’t know, Sir. I’m only here
to wash your upper body and feet. He struggles to ask again, ‘Nurse,
please check. Are my testicles black?’ Concerned that he might
elevate his blood pressure and heart rate from worrying about his
testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and pulls back the covers.
She raises his gown, holds his manhood in one hand and his testicles in
the other. Then, she takes a close look and says, ‘There’s nothing wrong
with them, Sir. They look fine.’
>The man slowly pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her, and says very
slowly, ‘Thank you very much. That was wonderful, but listen very very
closely, ‘Are – my – test – results – back?’
July 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Kiffin is now asleep. Camera’s on him.
Denver is steadily running the ball. Down to Raider 25 now. End of 3rd quarter.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bell slashes Raiders’ D for a 15 yard TD run. 33-3, Donks. Ryan is still yelling at Knapp. Kiffin wakes up, sits up on bench. Smiles. Starts counting money.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Half way through 4th quarter. Denver has allowed some of their fans to suit up. McFadden slices for 20 on a draw play.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Another handoff to McFadden. This time he slashes Denver’s 3rd string D along with some of their fans for 30 yards. Raiders within striking distance.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
MR squirts a little more Jergens into his palm for round two.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Shell was an idiot, just ask the coaches he coached against. They will tell you he never made halftime adjustments and his answer to blitzes was to hold everyone in to block but 2 receivers. More crap from Jerry about Davis making the call on Newberry. Kiffin is calling the shots and Davis is just signing off on what he wants to do. Give the Davis is the Sith Lord a rest, maybe we can put him into a Darth Vader suit when he can no longer sit in his wheel chair. Then he can live forever so you guys always got something to pin on him, lol.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Russell nails Walker with a 20 yard bullet! Tooooouchdowwwwn…..RRRRRRRAAAAAIDeerrssss!~!!!!!
Walker taunts fans in back of end zone. Points to the special eye shield on his helmet as he’s pelted with plastic beer bottles.
33-10, Denver. 2 minutes left in game.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
The four questions that will determine the success, or not, of next season:
1) Can we stop the run?
Well, I think Sapp’s retirement will help. He was a pale shadow of past glories last season and he left Sands very isolated. Much depends on Kelly’s fitness and whether Warren and/or Joseph can make a consistent contribution. I think we will be better but still vulnerable against the better running attacks.
2) Can the Oline bully opposing DLines and create enough openings for our talented backfield?
We have arguably the deepest backfield in the league – three top-class RBs (Fargas, Bush and McFadden) and two very capable FBs (Mr Pain and Griffith). We should be hopeful that Cable can extract further improvement, but we don’t have too much depth on the roster.
3) Can we give JR enough pass-protection to keep the defense from flooding the box?
Harris has genuine ability but he is a big risk. RT looks a real problem and we don’t want Miller just reserved for blocking duty. I expect Kiff to move that pocket and to try keep JR away from the rushers rather than rely on the blocking.
4) Can we find a DB who can successfully mark out the slot receiver?
Asomugha and Hall should be a match for the wide-outs, but many teams will use a 3rd WR against us – remember how the Colts tormented us last season? Routt appears earmarked for the Nickel, but he has much to prove. We could do with somebody like Rashad Baker, John Bowie or Chris Johnson making a real shot at this 3rd position, because it could be our achilles heel.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Newberry, another 30+ year old has been Kiffin has weeded out, just like Sapp.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Raiders onside kick fails. Denver kneels. Game over. 33-10, Broncos. Ryan runs right to locker room. Security wakes Kiffin up on bench, Kiffin proceeds to shake hands with Shanahan.
Following monday, Raider announce Lane Kiffin is still the head coach, and is still in complete control of the team. They also insist that there was never a rift between Kiffin and Al. Kiffin unavailable for comment.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
The Raiders are going to win the opener.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Raiders win game 1 27-10. Shanahan resigns.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Evening fellas…I´ll be quick:
MR says:
“But by the pre season, it was obvious to me Shell was a puppet. He ditched the run in the pre season, and never went back to it.”
Fact: During the 2006 pre-season the Raiders were ranked 6th in rushing attempts with 32.6.
Fact: Over the first 6 regular season games of 2006 the Raiders ran the ball 160 times and threw it 163.
Fact: The Raiders passed more than they ran in just 2 out of those 6 games. In 3 games they ran it more and in another game the running and passing attempts were even.
Note: The Raiders had double digit deficits to overcome after 3 quarters of play in 3 of those 6 games.
Fact: Over the first 6 regular season games of 2006 the Raiders averaged a respectable 26.6 carries for 116 yards.
Note: 3 of those games were vs Defenses ranked in the top 12 vs the run in 2006 (Bal(2), SD(7) and Den(12).
July 10th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Scottish…
4) Can we find a DB who can successfully mark out the slot receiver?
Asomugha and Hall should be a match for the wide-outs, but many teams will use a 3rd WR against us – remember how the Colts tormented us last season? Routt appears earmarked for the Nickel, but he has much to prove. We could do with somebody like Rashad Baker, John Bowie or Chris Johnson making a real shot at this 3rd position, because it could be our achilles heel.
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I hope they in slot-situations let Hall cover the slot, because he is better to cover than Routt and we need that in the open, and then let Routt have the outsides, because he then have the sidelines to help him…
in normal situation, its of course Nnamdi and Hall on both sides…
And remember Routt is taller than Fabian… so all in all way better backfield =)
July 10th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
What the heck are you guys talking about? Jerry! Jon Becker! Moderator! Come on, man!
July 10th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Post # 74 was directly related to this post from last night………
Bob Marley Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
LOL…
I read post 842 and did a simple google search, here´s what I found:
- MR posting on raiderfans.net on 10-20-2005:
“The fastest way for Al Davis to clean up his current MESS is to retire, and hand the team over to someone who can bring our team back to it’s success that it saw in 2000.
Art Shell would be good enough for me.”
- Now here´s what MR said today, post 817 to be precise:
“Of course even a Davis loyalist can now admit Art Shell was a mistake. But you see, us smart fans called it from the start.”
July 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
MR. you got way to much time on ur hands to write all that nonsense up, is that the best thought of ur day imagining the raiders lose to the broncos, and u have rather detailed visions of lane kiffen i smell a man crush.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
MR is a pathetic, lying, fraud boy 49er fan that lives in his mother’s basement.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
i think at heart he wants to be a raider fan but he doesnt fit in so he’s rebelling ha
July 10th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
i don’t know about anybody else..but this Javon Walker thing really tiks me off…..its so frustrating because I ‘ve supported and careed about the Raiders for over 20 years but guys like Javon Walker could care less…..so why should I care?
July 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Ah, come on now. MR’s not that bad. I kind of like the little rascal, to be honest.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
The Oakland Raiders has been shopping LaMont Jordan for a couple weeks now and the Detroit Lions are one of the few teams that have shown interest in the running back.
June 9, ESPN.com: The LaMont Jordan stalemate in Oakland has started to move some. The player recently visited the Detroit Lions, his agent Alvin Keels said.
It was a pre-trade visit arranged by the Raiders and Lions. Oakland has been trying to trade Jordan in the past month. The team kept Jordan out of its early June minicamp as it attempted to deal him. Yet, the market was slow and the visit to Detroit was the only real movement in a possible trade.
However, there has been little contact between the Lions and Keels since Jordan’s visit and it is unknown if the Lions will proceed in finalizing the trade. It would likely take a sixth or seventh-round draft choice to get Jordan.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Come on Jerry, clean this up or I am going to cry.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
It makes it tough to root for the guy doesn’t it Seth? Lamont in Detroit, sounds like a perfect match.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
7th round draft choice for Jordan? Now that’s funny, dude is falling off the radar fast.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
What’s the name of those little fish who attach themselves to the Shark looking for scraps? that’s you troll (lol)
July 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
immah go wit guppies…javon walker still has a chance to redeem himself with 9 touchdowns 65 catches with are run first offense thats huge
July 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
MR. mybad man i say some pretty harsh stuff your way and you always seem to dissappear after u dont have to runaway just don’t try to rambo this blog.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
7th round pick for Lamont, sounds like a steal. I mean we only got a 5th round pick for Moss, a Hall of Famer.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
If Al Davis trades Jordan for a six pack of beer and Davis buys the beer we still would be getting the better end of the deal…
July 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Marley, fair enough.
But if I could add to that…and I’ll be quick:
Week one, vs. SD: We ran the ball 20 times to SD’s 48 times.
Week two, vs Baltimore: We ran the ball 26 times, which is a little better but certainly not enough. Unless you’re the 2002 Raiders, the modern day Colts, or the ’80’s Niners, it’s just stupid to rely on your pass. You have to run the ball in this game. Period So, we’re into week two without running the ball more than 30 times per game.
Week four (3 was our bye), vs. Cleveland: We run the ball only 24 times. Less than 30, again. Note, all of our opponents have ran the ball 30 plus times on us thus far.
week five , vs. 49ers. We run the ball 23 times. The niners run the ball 41 times. Un f’n real. I’ve never heard of the 49ers running the ball that much.
NOTE——We’re 4 games into the season, Marley, and we’re yet to run the ball 30 times per game. And this with a very green passing offense with a first year qb.
Week six, vs. Donks: FINALLY! We run the ball 30 times (exactly). Denver runs it 31 times. They beat us by 10…which is a lot smaller of a margin than what they usually beat us by. We run the ball 40 times, and wear out their defense, who knows…
week seven, vs. Arizona. WE RUN THE BALL 37 TIMES, AND DESTROY THEM. First win of the year. Only second game we run more than 30 plus yards, when our first string demonstrated they could establish a run in the pre season.
week eight, vs. Steelers, we run the ball 29 times and win. So, one game where we run the ball less than 30 times and come out with a victory. A win is a win. So I have to give props. But I think we all know this formula doesn’t hold up.
week nine, vs. Seattle. We run the ball 13 TIMES!!! and Seattle easily handles us 16-0. Seattle ran the ball 39 times.
week 10, vs. Donks: 26 rushes. Loss.
week 11, vs. KC: We run the ball 34 times, yet come up short. Again, one of the few cases to work against my theory.
week 12, vs. Dolts, again: We run the ball 26 times. Lose.
week 13, vs. Texans: 26 rushes, loss.
week 14, vs. Bengals: We run the ball 16 times. Get crushed 27-10. Cincy runs the ball 39 times!
week 15, vs. Rams: We run the ball 18 times to their 35. Get crushed.
week 16:, vs. kc again: 24 rushes to their 38. Get crushed.
week 17, vs. Jets: 22 rushes to their 37. They kill us.
Marley, all you demonstrate with your “facts” is that there are teams that didn’t need to run the ball as much as we did. If we couldn’t figure out by week 5 that our pass heavy attack wasn’t working, then maybe we’re in the wrong league.
Now Marley, if you want to convince me that Art Shell, who lived for pulling out and knocking ends and linebacker into the middle of next week on running plays back when he played the game, would insist on airing it out this stubbornly, even when faced with the obvious fact that it isn’t working, then you must think I’m as stupid as Oakglenn.
You know good and well who was …calling him on that sideline phone…and telling him to throw the ball. Al doesn’t sign quarterbacks to hand the ball off, even when it will help us win.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Well StoolKell Troll,
At least you got a name that fit’s ya now (snicker, snicker)
July 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Ill take any trade 4 jorden @ this point BTW who wants him?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
And when it comes to stool, I know what I’m talking about.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
# mcfaddenswagon Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
MR. mybad man i say some pretty harsh stuff your way and you always seem to dissappear after u dont have to runaway just don’t try to rambo this blog.
….
oh it’s cool man no offense taken man and sorry don’t mean to rambo this blog but hey it’s fun to lower my level of grammar down to yours kind of makes me feel like i’m retard just like you.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
the team that gets Jordan, their fans get free fries at the coliseum, next time they visit…
that sounds about fair =)
July 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Has Matt Millen lost his touch? Only a 7th round pick for Lamont. The old Millen I know would have gave us two 3rds and a 4th
July 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
hey wheres 4eva I heard he had alot of work but sheezs he’s neglecting his Raiderizm… LOL j/k 4eva where eva u are
July 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
ha, thats what i get for trying to help you up, haha, but yeah you left out the 2008 New England pats, only the most dominating passing attack ever.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
2007*
July 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
ufck the patsies
July 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
MR Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Al doesn’t sign quarterbacks to hand the ball off, even when it will help us win.
———————————
Your not a Raider fan you just play one.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
all this talk about stool… reminds me off…
O/~ The evidence before the court is, Incontrovertible, there’s no need for the jury to retire o/~
o/~ In all my years of judging, I have never heard before
Of someone more deserving, The full penalty of law o/~
o/~ The way you made them suffer, Your exquisite wife and mother, Fills me with the urge to defecate! o/~
July 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
MR, that was 2006 and the Shell/Walsh era, come on at least look at 2007 with Kiffin and company. To your point, Al Davis wasn’t calling Shell he calls the Defense, when Shell was re-hired he stated that the Rams offense (greatest show on turf) was the old RAIDERS offensive scheme (per say)and Walsh would bring that to Oakland and the linemen would block, block and block some more. For Shell’s comments regarding the Power running game he would bring back. The Offensive Linemen stated after Shell was fired that the blocking scheme change from week to week, and they were confused by the way Irv & Jackie would change there coaching approach each week, that should tell you that your blaming the wrong guy for Shell losing the respect of the players. Not to mention the Porter issue-that was all Shell. That was the problem with Shell coming back, he was in over his head and the NFL had pasted him by and at the bed & breakfast Walsh was pasted by in 1988. Now knowing that Shell is a GREAT RAIDER, don’t even try to say Al Davis was calling for the chuck and duck-it was all Shell and Walsh face the facts.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
ok enough with all these bs stats, the reason we couldnt run the ball last year is, are offense would constantly go three and out, leaving are defense on the field to get ran on, so MR. all them bs stats aint nothing. This year will be different.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Plus all are 1st and second down penalties putting us in 1st and 2nd and longs.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
What was Al Davis thinking for godsakes, Tom Walsh!!!!!?????
July 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
With out B. Simms hopefully we won’t be in as many of t those 1st and 2nd and longs. That guy really knew how to kill a drive.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis actually said after the hiring of Shell and Walsh being named OC, that “Walsh has a lot of football knowledge so we will see”.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Kool:
Hey he made a helluva omellette!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I love, admire and respect Al Davis, but I just wish he hadn’t hired Tom Walsh, that’s all. I’m sure he had a good reason, though.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
And we saw alright!!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Yeah, why, year after year, do the Raiders shoot themselves in the feet? please
False Starts like a mfer, at just the right time.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
In Coach Cable the NATION must Trust!!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Well Stoolkell, what was the reason he hired Walsh?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Stoolkell, you still there? you said:
“just wish he hadn’t hired Tom Walsh, that’s all. I’m sure he had a good reason, though.”
What reason?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Im KOOL and KELL… thats why im koolkell.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Stool, you know anything about football?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
i know that im kool and kell.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
That’s cool, Stoolkell, I understand. How can you be expected to know what’s going on Al’s mind? None of us mere mortals can. But I have to admit, I agree with you: he must have had a good reason. See? We can be friends, even if you are a troll.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
enough with this trolling crap
July 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Yes, i must admit in my 15 years if seriously fowwing football, tom walshes raider offense was close to the worst ever I’ve ever seen.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
My personal little troll?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
of seriously following*
July 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
That offense was hideous. Remember in the Ravens game, I think week 2, when Aaron Brooks fumbled the snap like the first three plays on offense, turned into a couple of turnovers and an injured shoulder. Good times!! Didn’t even seem like they practiced.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Stool, you’re a psycho
July 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Ignore MR and don’t respond to his posts. He lives in a smelly trailer in Sacto, has a lap dog named Montana and walks around in a Steve Young Jersey. That’s why he posts all that Anti Raider garbage. Just ignore him
July 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
But Hey,
Art Shell and his er staff, were hired, what, a week before the draft?
Mismanagement?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Ha Ha, Yeah are coachin staff looked like they belonged in the early 90’s with there calls and play design, are players looked like peewee players, that was bad, only bright spot was well can’t even think of one.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I just remember goin to opening day against the chargers, and falling alseep by halftime are offense was hidious.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
That first Art Shell game in 2006 against SD was horrifying, appalling, and downright dreadful to boot! We looked like a women’s powder puff team. Art was in a diabetic coma on the sideline. Al sharted himself in anger. Jim Otto stomped his feet in disappointment. Shanahan was at home watching the game on the TV installed in his tanning bed, laughing his azz off.
It was bad, real bad.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
MR…post 93.
Uhmm…what?.
Let me explain something to you, your claim that “Davis ordered Shell to ditch the run since the preseason” is the argument here…so:
- It´s not about how many times your opponent runs the ball. That has nothing to do with the argument.
- It is however, about the Pass-Run ratio. After 6 weeks we had a 50% Pass-Run ratio, it didn´t mean much because the offense was bad, but that was nowhere near an “air it out” offense, it is as balanced as it gets.
- Finally, you do realize that when your team is down in the 2nd half they will eventually be forced to abandon the run, do you?.
And usually, the team with a lead will sit on it and try to run the clock out, right?.
Well, in 06 the Raiders faced double digit deficits before the 4th Quarter even started on 8 out of 16 games.
- See MR, it´s not about throwing numbers out there, you have to look at the context and analyze it.
So, stop trying to work your way around the argument here, just wave the white towel and I´ll let go.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
hey tommy trojan: you out there?
July 10th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
yeah art shell makes you appreciate lane kiffen.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
say uncle mister
July 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
In the first Art Shell game against SD, the only play that worked was a quick pass to Moss, who turned it upfield and got a first down or two. Then after one play, he threw the ball in the face of SD defender got a 15 yard penalty and that was that.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
The Raiders’ 2006 season ended faster than a MR romantic encounter with Steve Young.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Yeah I only remember three moss plays as a raider, first game against new england that was electric, game against KC i believe where he got called for pass interference in the endzone, and when he got caught from behind against the cowboys.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Are we set at D line? What about picking up a veteran like Sam Adams? Are you guys aware of the New Raider parking lot restrictions? There is now a zero tolerance for amplified sound…no more bands, DJ’s etc. Police now have the right to ticket you and confiscate your equipment. The new restrictions are posted at http://www.raiders.com. I urge all Raider fans to contact the Raiders at (510) 864-5000 x3224 or email jhamilton@raiders.com. Let’s not lose our right to the pregame festivities that differentiate us from all other NFL teams.
JB
July 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
go raiders
July 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
LOL! Who does this remind you of?
Turn it up really loud!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dMkUkD46EA
July 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
steve young… from greenwich, ct! sorry.. no more.
WHat do you guys think of trading a #3 to GB for Favre.
Then trade Favre, Joseph (DT FROM NYG) and a 4th to Minnesota for one of their stud DTs? Kevin WIlliams. Or even a #4, gerard and favre for kW?
GB will not trade to their division.. BUT WE CAN! Or to CHicago for one of their DL.s
thoughts?
July 10th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Pipe Dreams.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
The Pre-Trial hearing starts tommorrow in the Thugs Kick The Sheit Out Of Javon Walker Case.
It will be interesting to hear the evidence and the “lure”.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Jim (ct raider)
In theory sounds great, but in reality won’t happen.
Farve has 2 yrs remaining at 12 mil per. No team in it’s right mind will pick up that. Not even AD. My belief is he feels dissed by GB and will force their hand to release him. He probably will end up in Minnesota or Chicago but as a FA.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Dakota: LO is a waste. You guys need some power and strength. you need a rodman that can shoot. odom is too soft. He’s good for the regular season but the playoffs and definitely the championship is a different animal.
speaking of animals… ROmanowski… enfield, ct
July 10th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
CT is that Connecticut?
July 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Jim (ct raider)
With Bynum back, the Lakers create a new position. Power Guard.
Bynum Center
Gasul Power Forward
Bryant Small Forward
Odom Power Guard
Fisher Point Guard
July 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
hahaa power guard. that’s pretty good. but then he’ll be trying to beat guards off the dribble. …
there was a story of ralph sampson complaining that he wanted to be a guard (at 7′4″). coach said, “everyone wants to be a guard until you do guard drills”
Odom will be trying to drive against faster guys. if he could be a power guard against a big guy then maybe.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
i like the farmer kid. he has guts. takes it to the whole no matter what. he has a future.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Odom is no Magic(no one is)but handles the ball well in the open court and on the break.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
LMN: YES
See.. if my bipolar kicked in I’d say, “how come we need to know euro/mid east countries but they don’t need to know our states?” but I’m taking my meds and I only say,… yes ct = connecticut.
can i mix meds and beer?
July 10th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Phil Jackson said they would try it in training camp as an option.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
break is a different world. especially in playoffs when you don’t get many… you have to take a guard who is in your face off the dribble. first step is key.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
open court is comparing a run and shoot (the hawaiian) in college against a nfl team. everything is easier in space.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
i meant run and shoot passing qb (the hawaiian) and think he can play in the nfl
July 10th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Odom would present a problem in the 1/2 court game the playoffs have become.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I just wasn’t sure, is there any NFL teams over there?
July 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
how? he wasn’t? he’s in between speed and strength. he may be able to post up like jalen rose but jr was quick. odom is quick due to his competition. we’ll have to see.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Good discussion Jim, yes we’ll see.
Goodnight Raider Nation!
Go Raiders!
July 10th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
meds + beer = zzzzzzzzzzzzz
July 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Is a draft pick all we can trade Jordan for? Couldn’t we atleast trade him to a none division rival for a practise squad guy? We’d still take the cap hit and wed pay very little for the new guy?
Obviously a pick would be nicer, but atleast we should get him out of the division. While he’s healthy he can be productive. I’d would rather keep him out of the hands of the Queefs.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
92591 Raider Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
MR, that was 2006 and the Shell/Walsh era, come on at least look at 2007 with Kiffin and company.
……
That’s beside the point. I’m addressing another one of Marleys’ lame attempts to discredit me. Pay attention.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Ignore MR and don’t respond to his posts.
………
They will when you finally do, Oakglenn.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Who gives a fart where Jordan goes??? He’s a backup at best.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Marley, why do you think we ran the ball only 13 times against Seattle in ‘06? They won 16-0. So, it wasn’t because we were trailing. We just came off of two straight wins, where we ran the ball significantly more than usual in one of those wins. Seattle’s run D was 22nd in the league in ‘06. So, surely it wasn’t because we were facing the Steel Curtain, either.
No spinning, Marley. Just give me your best reason as to why we ditched the run in a campaign for a third straight win, a feat we haven’t reached sine ‘02 (and still haven’t reached to this day), when we ran the ball 29 times and 37 times in our two previous games, AGAINST BETTER RUN DEFENSES, to the tune of victories?
Don’t just throw numbers out there, Marley. Put some context behind them.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Memo to Jerry
Start a basketball blog so we dont have to listen to wannabee ballers talk BB in the off season.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I dunno whats worse, the wannabee ballers or the KST’s.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
What am I saying? I must be losing it. I would take a KST anytime anyday over a wannabee baller.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
MR..let me interrupt this wipe out by Marley of your facts and your about face lets change the argument scenario..you seem to not understand the argument..this is not a political site..this is a football site..you always create the illusion like a politician that has just flip flopped..your hero Muhammad Obama is a prime example.. dont leave the argument ..face Marley head on..i know you cant..liars never remember what they say..because they always lie.. your past comments are here for all to see..do you think were so blind not to remember your silly arguments..you have no credibility..just a sissy changing the facts to suit your argument..if this was presented to a jury..you would lose..loser..
July 10th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Face Marley??? Show your face no-named troll?
July 10th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Bye Mo. Why don’t you take your little Forty Niner Dog “montana” out for a walk and get some excercise you fat fukk.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Some anonoymous troll steps out from behind a bush, and demands you face somebody. geez.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
MoRon, MoRon, MoRon, MoRon, Moron, lives in a trailer decked in forty niner colours, with a little dog named Montana and a toilet that doesn’t flush.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Suprise,.. espn has the raiders te situation as 20th in the nfl! they’re dumbasses.
Zach Miller is an athletic player who uses his deceptive speed to stretch the seam. Miller has reliable hands and shows great awareness in traffic, and his quickness, agility and size allow him separation from defenders. He isn’t a physical blocker but gains leverage early in the play with technique and quickness. John Madsen is a young, undersized player but gives head coach Lane Kiffin another decent target in the passing game with his ability to flex off the line or line up as an H-back and create mismatches.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
im going fishing
July 10th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
#165, dumb A$$ check the rest of the post then check yourself MORON. Nice try in a lame attempt to make a pointless point DORK…
July 10th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Once and for all: 1) If Gannon says something positive about the Raiders, he’s nothing but a koolaide drinking shill; if he says something negative about them, he’s telling it like it is; 2) When I say ‘from the start’, it means from in the middle sometime; 3) I don’t have to be consistent, but you do. Got it? Good. Oh yeah, I forgot: 4) Ron Wolf. That is all. Carry on.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
MR…post 168.
Very simple, Seattle scored on each of their first 3 possessions of the game to take a 13-0 lead and they dominated the time of possesion battle to the tune of a 12 minute edge.
Seattle ended up controlling the ball for a whopping 36 minutes vs Oakland´s 24 and they held a 13 point lead for most of the game.
Those are the same adverse conditions that I described in my previous post, thank you for providing a good example MR.
But hey, why stay on the Seattle game? Let´s see….
The previous two games before Seattle the Raiders ran it 37 and 29 times, the following two games after Seattle they ran it 36 and 34 times respectively.
What was the common denominator between all those run heavy games?? they were close and the Raiders held a lead into the 2nd half in each of those games.
It allowed the Raiders to have some control and to execute their gameplan. A gameplan that, judging by the number of carries involved, obviously included a heavy dose of runnning the football.
Wait…30-plus carry games? past mid-season?….
That´s impossible!.
MR please tell us that story again, you know, the one about how Al Davis ordered Art Shell to “ditch the running game since the preseason and he never went back to it”.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Have a good night everyone.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
yo momma
July 10th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
#92, from 92591 Raider. Is by far, the BEST line/post of the day.
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
I think Baron Davis should not have signed with the Clips after Elton split.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Hey, kids & adults alike, vote early & often.
That’s how they use to do it, way back in the day. In CHI-town.
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
There are places that are worse…I used to blog on the Mercury web site a few years back, then I came here and its way better here than most forums even with intellectuals like MR.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
You know you guys, 99% of the posters here are solid stand up Raider fans. A very few posters here lie, steal others identities, and come here to make a mess of the site and piss everyone off. If you can’t tell the difference, then you deserve this site to be the mess that it is. They’ve accomplished their goals.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
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Jerry, is not the one to snivel to.
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
# My Life AS MR Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
MR..let me interrupt this wipe out by Marley of your facts and your about face lets change the argument scenario..you seem to not understand the argument..this is not a political site..this is a football site..you always create the illusion like a politician that has just flip flopped..your hero Muhammad Obama is a prime example.. dont leave the argument ..face Marley head on..i know you cant..liars never remember what they say..because they always lie.. your past comments are here for all to see..do you think were so blind not to remember your silly arguments..you have no credibility..just a sissy changing the facts to suit your argument..if this was presented to a jury..you would lose..loser..
……..
Posts like this are the reason that 70% of the country is anxiously awaiting January 20th of next year, when Republicans will no longer control the White House. Sorry if that’s too political.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
909 It doesn’t matter. Dude, I’m the point guy for this. My name has been stolen more times than probably every one else on this board combined!!!! The point is there are haters that come here repeatedly just to ruin this for Raider fans. The long term posters have pointed them out, repeatedly. But when these haters come back, some posters embrace them like they’re Raider Hall of Famers on a sea cruise and then the cycle starts again. Registration isn’t gonna do squat. Ignore the lame haters trying to ruin the site. It’s pretty obvious who they are.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Speak of the devil.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
As a 30+yr. registered REPUBLICAN.
Make CHANGE happen…
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July 10th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
“Very simple, Seattle scored on each of their first 3 possessions of the game to take a 13-0 lead and they dominated the time of possesion battle to the tune of a 12 minute edge.
Seattle ended up controlling the ball for a whopping 36 minutes vs Oakland´s 24 and they held a 13 point lead for most of the game.”
…….
Marley, you’re not the only one with access to NFL.com. It’s open to the public. You should really consider that before making such a lame case.
The opening drive of that game the Raiders passed every down and went 3 and out. Fine. Nothing wrong with keeping them honest and seeing if they’ll give you the pass.
Now, here’s the Raiders’ second drive of the game. It’s still the first quarter, Marley. And they’re only down one score.
J.Brown kicks 70 yards from SEA 30 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-OAK 20 (10:39) L.Jordan left guard to OAK 19 for -1 yards (C.Darby, L.Tatupu).
2-11-OAK 19 (10:07) A.Walter sacked at OAK 9 for -10 yards (sack split by L.Tatupu and C.Darby).
3-21-OAK 9 (9:33) (Shotgun) L.Jordan right tackle to OAK 11 for 2 yards (R.Bernard).
4-19-OAK 11 (8:58) S.Lechler punts 29 yards to OAK 40, Center-A.Treu, downed by OAK-S.Schweigert.
—Why don’t you try a different running play on second down, instead of going back to the pass that Seattle is obviously being stingy against, and especially when you’ve succeeded with the run the previous two games, and you’re playing a defense that isn’t great against the run?
Now, here’s the Raiders’ 3rd possession. They’re now down by 10, but it’s still the first quarter!
J.Brown kicks 70 yards from SEA 30 to end zone, Touchback.
1-10-OAK 20 (5:46) A.Walter pass incomplete short middle to C.Anderson. PENALTY on SEA-J.Peterson, Defensive Pass Interference, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 20 – No Play.
1-10-OAK 25 (5:41) A.Walter pass incomplete short left to R.Williams.
2-10-OAK 25 (5:36) A.Walter pass short left to R.Moss to OAK 43 for 18 yards (M.Trufant).
1-10-OAK 43 (5:02) A.Walter FUMBLES (Aborted) at OAK 43, recovered by OAK-J.Fargas at OAK 39. J.Fargas to OAK 39 for no gain (R.Davis).
2-14-OAK 39 (4:21) A.Walter pass short middle to Z.Crockett to OAK 45 for 6 yards (L.Hill, B.Fisher).
3-8-OAK 45 (3:40) (Shotgun) A.Walter pass short left to R.Curry to SEA 44 for 11 yards (L.Tatupu).
1-10-SEA 44 (3:03) A.Walter sacked at 50 for -6 yards (R.Bernard).
2-16-SEA 50 (2:28) A.Walter sacked at OAK 45 for -5 yards (C.Terrill).
3-21-OAK 45 (1:59) (Shotgun) A.Walter sacked at OAK 39 for -6 yards (C.Terrill).
4-27-OAK 39 (1:31) S.Lechler punts 61 yards to end zone, Center-A.Treu, Touchback.
—11 play possession, and not one run play. Both first downs came via big plays from Moss and Curry. Fine. But how does the drive end?
If you want to make the case that it was Shell and/or Walsh’s call, go ahead. Of course, this would contradict your claim that we didn’t prematurely ditch the run. But of course, you also claimed that Sapp was referring to Turner and Shell when blasting the organization last week, and in the same comment also suggested Sapp was lying, by saying that his statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. So what’s to stop you here.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
You know, Marley, I don’t know if I’ve ever asked you this. So I will now.
Why do you believe the Raiders have been as bad as they have been since the Super Bowl loss?
What single INDIVIDUAL person is MOST to blame for it?
And, most importantly, why?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
MR you are to blame.
OK I will vote because the mentally stable Raider fans in here asked me to.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
and marley what person would most like to eff my a
July 10th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
MR…#199….
AS much as it PAINS me to admit. A valid, point raised by yourself.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Marley, you know my clones from me. And you know the question. I know you’ve got the courage to answer it. So I await to see your response tomorrow. Goodnight, everyone.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!
rsenkarik@bayareanewsgroup.com
OR……..
cpmyers@bayareanewsgroup.com
HURRY…BE THE SECOND, NOT THE LAST ONE…..
(sorry I was 1st.)
July 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
See 909 you miss the entire point. Here is a guy who posts as others, rips the Raiders at every turn, posts racist crap, tries to tear this site down, and you agree with him. there is your answer right there. Why would anyone at the Bay Area News Paper Group do ANYTHING, WHEN you put up with the mess???? And CONDONE IT???????? And they know what’s going on. It’s up to YOU to stand up to this crap not agree with it.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Oakglenn…#205.
I did not “agree” Just said.” A valid point raised by yourself.”
Sometimes a broken clock, is close every few years.
rsenkarik@bayareanewsgroup.com
cpmyers@bayareanewsgroup.com
What the EFF are you waiting for.
GET OFF YOUR ASSES!!
July 10th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
someone please eff my A
July 10th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Oakglenn…..#194
My bad, I missed #194.
Thanks for being on the POINT. Toughest job in the platoon/squad.
I am merely, attempting to get others, that have been bitching about how, this once fine and best place to get your RAIDER FIX. Has gone to hell in a hand bag. To do something about it.
My MAIN, point was to provide, contacts for the rest of the contributors who, participate on this, the BEST of all the www. places to get your RAIDER FIX on. And to do SOMETHING about it!!! To make it the BEST again!!!
Nothing more, nothing less.
rsenkarik@bayareanewsgroup.com
Interactive Media V.P.
OR…….
cpmyers@bayareanewsgroup.com
Sr. Web Producer.
GET OFF YOUR ASSES & DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT…
OR QUIT YER BITCHEN…. DAMMIT!!!!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND CRASH THE ABOVE, E-MAIL, LOCATIONS………..NOW & OFTEN!!!!!!!!
July 11th, 2008 at 12:02 am
BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH………BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA….. SHEEP…WTF??????????
July 11th, 2008 at 12:10 am
LNM…You like Guns? I play in a Guns band here in Copenhagen…I’ll keep you updated !
July 11th, 2008 at 12:28 am
CopenhagenFan…….
Interactive Media V.P. Regan Senkarik. contact info:
rsenkarik@bayareanewsgroup.com
OR…..
Senior Web Producer. Chris Myers.
cpmyers@bayareanewsgroup.com
Do you want to clean this, once fine place to get your RAIDER FIX, up- or not..
contact, the above sites, to get the ball a rollin….
or…
don’t BITCH…
July 11th, 2008 at 12:54 am
what up with Huff?
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/archives/013716.html
He be illin’ at Amigo Gay Sauna ..
July 11th, 2008 at 12:55 am
909…what is it I’m supposed to write to them about? That there are trolls here? ha ha….
July 11th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Matt Jones is a thug!
What the hell is up with these guys? Making a ton of money and then doing coke in a car??
July 11th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Cope…#214….
YES……YES……YES…..
Nothing gets done… If you wait for others, to do it for you…..
rsenkarik@bayareanewsgroup.com
OR….
cpmyers@bayareanewsgroup.com
DO IT…TYPE IT NOW..
Or, quit yer BITCHIN…….
…….your…(for, LMN.)
July 11th, 2008 at 4:03 am
cant freakin sleep again Morning NATION!!!!!!!! Ok I emaild both those dudes but who cares once a site gets registered its even worse besides I like the trolls there funny and when said troll starts doing the uber gay stuff I just skip them… RAIDER ON…
July 11th, 2008 at 4:08 am
July 11th, 2008 at 4:09 am
LMN
i need the hook up on some more smileys please…
July 11th, 2008 at 5:04 am
408…
okay lets see how it goes
= : ) 
= ; ) 
= : D 
= : (
= 8 O 
= : ? 
= 8 )
= : P 
= : |
:O = : O
:X = : X
July 11th, 2008 at 5:04 am
ahh two misfires… dammit
July 11th, 2008 at 5:05 am
July 11th, 2008 at 5:07 am
:O = : o
:X = : x
the : o and : x is the only ones without caps….
July 11th, 2008 at 5:08 am
the : o and : x is the only ones without caps….
okay een gang til for prins knud…
July 11th, 2008 at 5:11 am
CopenhagenFan…
yup I love Guns’N'Roses… its the soundtrack of my childhood =)
well I’m very fanatic about music, genres doesn’t mean that much to me, I have a big variety of tastes =)
July 11th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Man, I can’t wait until training camp opens. Dodgers are inconsistent, so I am ready for some football! I’m curious to see what we do for Lamont Jordan. No chance we can trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick?
July 11th, 2008 at 6:05 am
SFlaR…
we cant get anything, not with so many RB’s vets as FA…
if we get a 7th, we are more lucky than Pats was with their 4th for Moss
July 11th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Hi Jerry…What’s the story with Nnamdi’s contract? If he doesn’t sign a long-term deal by the deadline, what happens? Can the team franchise him again next year? It really bothers me that Davis hasn’t given a long-term deal to the best player on the team — who happens to be a great guy — while he’s giving huge money to guys like Walker and Hall.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:12 am
4 days left to the signing deadline.. btw
July 11th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I totally agree RaiderfanNY, why don’t you throw the money at the guys we have that have already proven themselves like Asomugha and Burgess!!
July 11th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Anyone want to buy a seat, turnstyle, or relic from their old stadium thats gone:
http://www.ballparkseats.com/
July 11th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Although Kiffin plans on being conservative with Russell, I hope we get to see his big arm at least a couple of times each game by going downfield. He seems to have established a bond with Carter. Open it up a little Kiff!
July 11th, 2008 at 7:15 am
Camp is thisclose….anyone ready for a return to glory for the Silver and Black!
Raider Brotherhood Forever!
July 11th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Phil Mickelson’s house is for sale. Check it out!
http://www.prudentialcal.com/Listing/ListingDetail.aspx?Search=7f3dc658-29f4-4570-9150-b4d4f2d96b43&Listing=29895270&IRPAgentID=9513498&Image=1&First=21&Last=30&pagesize=10&SearchType=city&ListingDistrictTypeID=&FirstLetter=&Sort=1&Cookies=&UseColorBar=false
July 11th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Your mother is sooooooo fat she………..
July 11th, 2008 at 8:04 am
How does it feel to be obssessed with an 80 year old man who doesn’t even know you exist? Word to the wise, don’t mess with Marley. Oakglenn is more your speed. Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Matt Jones is a whiteboy thug ….
July 11th, 2008 at 8:10 am
LNM me too..Guns was big when I was attending college in L.A.
I’ll let you know when we have some gigs!
July 11th, 2008 at 8:12 am
MR…you’re pretty obsessed with an 80 year old man who doesn’t know you exist in my book. You’re really obsessed actually!
July 11th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Guns and Roses blow. Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Guns and Roses do blow. Copenhagen, where did you go to school in LA?
July 11th, 2008 at 8:31 am
CopenhagenFAn…
please do =)
MR what do you listen to? avril lavigne or carrie underwood?
July 11th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Mr and Bo sitting in a tree…
July 11th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Bo I attended UCLA
July 11th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Are we sure MR isn’t Al Franken in disguise?
July 11th, 2008 at 8:52 am
hmm Okay then we can take Travis Henry our of the equation
July 11th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Guns & Roses? How about Iron Maiden, Saxon, UFO, Exciter?
July 11th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Pffff
Iron Maiden, yeah okay, but the rest can take a hike
July 11th, 2008 at 9:19 am
UFO was actually very rockin’….I think I’ll pick up Strangers in the Night again, this time on CD…I think my cassette tape wore out ha ha
July 11th, 2008 at 9:25 am
LNM.. oh. Travis Henry failed a drug test again….
Ganja must play a HUGE role in his life if he gives up a million dollar (or more) a year career. I hope he has like a good education to fall back on.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Copenhagen,
UCLA was too close to home for me…I went to Venice High, and then Occidental (got there just after Obama left).
July 11th, 2008 at 9:26 am
LMN,
If you ever see MR and I sitting in a tree, run for your chainsaw.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I guess I’m too young =)
July 11th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson,
What was the name of the Ice Cream store near Venice Beach. Rose something?
July 11th, 2008 at 9:36 am
I saw Guns/Roses open for the Stones at the Colosseum, and Axl whined about heroin for 10+ minutes before deciding to take a lap around the track. He made it about 200 yards before a fan laid him out like Tatum did Stingley. It was awesome.
When the Stones came on they completely blew them away. To this day I get a headache every time I hear Paradise City. G&R = nancyboy band, sorry.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Bo…
Muahahah, deal, mercy kill/euthanasia or just to cut you down? LOL
July 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
The Rose Cafe is a restaurant on Rose Ave and Ocean (I think), but I don’t remember a name of an ice cream shop.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson,
Right. Brings back memories like Tito’s Tacos at Washington Place and Sepulveda.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:42 am
LMN, I would have only climbed the tree to ring his neck, so the chainsaw is needed to make it look like an accident LOL.
MR: Just kidding. Really. Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I grew up on Tito’s and now its 2000 mi. away. Thanks.
Actually, I miss very little about Venice and LA. Too much crime, cocaine, traffic and superficial idiots.
It was fun to go the school that produced Dana McLemore, even if he was a Whiner. And such a great nickname – Gondoliers. Go GONDOS! Grease was filmed there too, and recently J.P. Losman came out of Venice High.
July 11th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Bo…
woaw, great argument, you saw them live, and they sucked?? well so what? they made 3 divine albums, something Rolling stones never did, they made a track here and there that was good…
to make a compact album, is where you judge how much a band matter, and they made 3… pink floyd made even more, black sabbath made 2 and metallica made 4… and so on…
Guns are heavy weight champs and they retired while they were on top…
Ozzy today is pathetic to look and hear, in the 90’s he gave helluva show…
Stop while you’re good, and let people remember you as such…
apropos Favre now re-enters, might look like a fool and ring-wreck and then its that we would remember him by, not his good games and so on, same thing as bands…
July 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am
My first concert was Guns and Roses opening up for Iron Maiden (Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Tour. Maiden was good “CAN I PLAY WITH MADNESS”
July 11th, 2008 at 10:05 am
So what that I saw them live and they sucked? You’re right, LMN, I should like them because you do. That makes much more sense than an opinion based on my own experience.
Its like me telling you that Denmark is an armpit. So what that you live there and like it.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Did you guys see where Phil Gramm called Denmark a nation of whiners? He did say Denmark, didn’t he…
:8
July 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am
oops
July 11th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Has LeCharles Bently signed any where?
July 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Raiders running back LaMont Jordan, who Oakland is actively shopping for a trade, visited the Lions recently according to Jordan’s agent Alvin Keels. Jordan was held out of Raiders minicamp in June as the team has actively been trying to deal the running back.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Guns and Roses, who i do like, are known for having HORRIBLE AND I MEAN HORRIBLE concerts! Axel forgets words..music sucks… and that is when they do show up for their gig!!!!
July 11th, 2008 at 10:12 am
forget all the bands in the world….the Greatful Dead is the best live band that ever existed!
July 11th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Re: Bentley.
“Close to 10 teams have been tracking Bentley, charting to see his condition and, at this point, his pricetag. Teams that have expressed varying degrees of interest in Bentley include Buffalo, Cincinnati, Miami, Oakland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Francisco and Seattle. Each has a need along the offensive line, but no team’s offensive line needs are any greater than Miami’s and St. Louis’. The Rams efforted to sign former Raiders offensive tackle Barry Sims, but lost him to San Francisco. Early in July, Bentley might be the first player teams target when they return from a July 4 vacation.”
July 11th, 2008 at 10:15 am
I have to believe Rob Ryan is a Jerry Garcia fan (and Cherry Garcia too, lol).
July 11th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Rob Ryan, cleanly shaved and eating ice cream:
http://pro.corbis.com/images/CBR003527.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B7901B598-57B2-404B-8D4F-EC71B3404D32%7D
July 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
LMN
thanx 4 the smileys!!!!! G&R are cool but my all time favorite album is THE WALL Pink Floyd there awsome in concert BTW….oh yeah GO RAIDERS
July 11th, 2008 at 10:21 am
I’ve always been a fan of Grove since we drafted him. Even though he has had his down times, I’m still rooting for the guy…same with Gallery. Hopefully he can take that next step this year. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wade there.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Bo…
and I shouldn’t like them because the likes of you and MR thinks the suck? I don’t think so, and those concerts I’ve seen with them was great…
408… I agree, and no problem…
I’m off, has a concert to go to… hope they don’t suck.. or starts fighting in th airport as they did in 95..
July 11th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Bo,
Where did you get that from? Miami has that beast Samoan, Samson Satele…
July 11th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I have a concert to go to… even….
and Bo, I too think he is a gratefull dead fan
July 11th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Finally found someone who wants Lamont Jordan. According to his agent the Fort Wayne Indiana School District needs someone to clean the cafeteria after school hours.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:33 am
LeCharles Bentley news:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=69&f=1922&t=2624420
July 11th, 2008 at 10:33 am
OAK…I think that there will be teams who would take LaMont….they just won’t give us anything because they know we’ll cut him because we’re loaded at RB.
The problem with Lamont is that if he’s not a starter then he’ll probably be in worse shape physically than he normally is, making him less of an interesting backup.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Exactly Cope. Best to just let him walk and end the “drama”. funny what you said about the dead. I think I only saw those guys 110 times. They kept following me everywhere I went, kind of like MR.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Denver would love Fat boy Jordan. I don’t see why the Bears don’t make a push either.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:40 am
OAK…the Dead is the best experience anyone can have
I took in my fair share of shows, one of the most memorable being a show in Vegas with Steve Miller opening and a huge sand storm and thunder blasting accross the desert during the middle of “Looks Like Rain”.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:44 am
DeathbyTatum (great name) ha ha.
AL would never trade Lamont to Denver, and Denver would never offer anything of great value. You see, neither Shannarat or Al wants to lose face by making a trade that would give the other an advantage.
However, they did work out the trade for G. Warren. But I just don’t think that Al will trade him to Denver.
The Bears are sticking with their rookie 2nd Rounder to be the “man” this year. His name escapes me.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:45 am
the more I think about a possible trade of Lamont, the more I believe that the trade of Moss to N.E. was all Kiffin! No way Al lets another team pull an “Al Davis” recclaimation project on him for a 4th rounder…..hmmm.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Cope,
Denver wants him, but they will not make a push for a trade because Shann knows that Davis will eventually release him.
The back’s name is Forte…from Illinois if I remember correctly.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Tatum…yeah that’s the ticket…yeah Forte…any relation to IKE Forte from the Pats in the 70’s??
July 11th, 2008 at 10:50 am
You know what sucks about living in Copenhagen? They don’t even have Copenhagen Snuff, only this crappy Swedish stuff…”General Snus” ….it’s the pits.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Why are you in Copenhagen? Red Man is my choice.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Did you guys see this story? Olivea’s suspension has been rescinded…is he worth the risk if his head isn’t into the game?
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10893614
July 11th, 2008 at 10:56 am
ooops, Giants already signed him.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Tatum…I met this Danish girl many years ago…got a divorce now I’m stranded here. Not bad though…plenty of hot chicks ha ha
July 11th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Dakota…yeah…the Giants were quick on the draw.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Cope,
Raw deal. In the service or just on a spiritual journey?
July 11th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Speaking of chwew, my buddy just loved Kodiak. How can you say you’re chewing tobacco when it tastes like gum?
July 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Tatum…the spiritual journey type of thing. It’s been an eye opener. The only things I really miss are, 1) good rock and roll radio, 2) Sports and 3) Good Mexican and Chinese food, a Philly Cheese Steak and 4) Copenhagen.
How’s the Red Man treating your gums and choppers? ha ha
July 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
AL’s..I used to chew Kodiak to freshen my breath after a long day of Cope.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I used to chew Copenhagen until my dad caught me when I was 15 and made me eat the whole can. That was worse than the time he made me smoke a whole pack of camel straights at 16.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Al’s…eat??? jesus….is your dad like the dad in American Beauty? ha ha
July 11th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Cope,
He told me when I was twelve that tabacco was a dirty habit…because he smoked 2 packs a day…and if he ever caught me using tobacco before I was out of the house, he’d make me eat it or smoke it. I was forwarned but like all youth, had to push the boundary.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:14 am
25 years later and my stomach still rebels when I see some chew….
July 11th, 2008 at 11:15 am
We need some Raiders news!
July 11th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Al’s,
I seriously laughed so hard when I read that. My grandpa was a Cope chewer from way back. Went away to Vietnam, came back chewing Cope and drinking Bud. I perfer Chew and Plug to Snuff…snuff just makes me sick and pale.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Grizzley is pretty popular here. Red Man just started making suff…hesitant to try it.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:25 am
DEATH,
My uncle chews Red Man. When he is done, he set’s his plug on the window sill to dry. When it dries, he smokes it in his pipe. That is enough to make me sick just thinking about it.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:27 am
arnt you suppose to snort snuff?? thats pretty hardcore IMO
July 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am
As far as the center position is concerned, I’m glad Newberry took his head nod to SD.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:31 am
testing
July 11th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I got a similar chew story. Went to a Tiger’s game when about 10, and after the game went to the bullpen railing for autographs. When the pitchers left there was a bag of RedMan sitting there. Dad held my ankles while I grabbed it and my cousin and I begged to chew some on the way home. Surprisingly Dad said SURE, SON. Problem is, he forgot to tell me to spit….longest drive home ever. Thought I was dying!
July 11th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Seeing all those smileys makes me think that I’m shopping at WalMart.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Bo,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, god…I can’t imagine swallowing that much…HORRIBLE
July 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am
LeCharles Bentley would like to play guard, our two strongest positions on the line. And is he a ZBS-type athlete? I thought he was more of a road grader ala Larry Allen…
July 11th, 2008 at 11:42 am
The first time I chewed Red Man, I knew to spit because I grew up watching my grandpa spit into anything he could get his hands on. The only thing is, it burned the living hell out of my lip.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Right now, my friends and I are on a mission to find some old school chew that one of their grandpa’s chewed. Day’s Work Plug.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Raiders won’t sign Bentley because LeCharles is too classy of a name.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Best live band I’ve seen is RUSH. Neil’s drum solo is worth the price of admission. After 30+ years they play the older material better now. Awesome shows with no opening band.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Come on…LeChalres fails compred to Jon Paul Foschi or even Lincoln Kennedy. How many Napoleans have we had? LeCharles will be further down the list of classy Oakland Raider names.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Bo,
What area of the country do you live in? 2000 mi. puts
you in my vicinity.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
ExLA:
I’m in a northwestern suburb of Chicago, where you can still get a 3000 sq. ft. home on a 1/2 acre for 250K. Left LA after OJ whacked his old lady down the street, the quake broke my freeway, and the riots charred my old hood.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
We should offer a nice incentive-laden contract to Mr. LeBentley Charles, put him at left guard and try Gallery at RT. I know, I know, it is almost sacriligious to suggest it, but I still believe Gallery could be a decent tackle in the ZBS. Plus, now that he’s married he’ll play a lot meaner.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Rush opened for Kiss in my high school
July 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Old school chew : Levi Garret
July 11th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
…I still believe Gallery could be a decent tackle in the ZBS. Plus, now that he’s married he’ll play a lot meaner.
_______________________________________________________
LMFAO
July 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
After I got married I fouled out of every game in my bball league, and my softball coach had to tell me to stop showing up loaded and talking trash from left field.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Einstein,
You got that one right!
July 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I didn’t listen to him of course. After trying to catch a high fly with my orbital socket, I realized my choice was the bar or the park. It was tough… bar vs. park… bar vs. park. Now I’m a golfer.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Ron Wolf
July 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Dakota,
You follow the Big Ten out there on the prairie? Gallery was such a mauler at Iowa for Ferentz, and then he shows up in Alameda and plays with his tail between his legs. Still don’t understand it. Could be he stopped the roids after college…
July 11th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
July 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
MR’s Top Ten Raider players and/or coaches:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Ronnie Lott
3. Roger Craig
4. Kwame Harris
5. Charlie Garner
6. Bill Walsh
7. Barry Sims
8. Jim Plunkett
9. Rod Woodson
10. Terry Kirby
July 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
11. Tom Rathman
July 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
is Tom Rathman #11? I think he finished his career with the Raiders.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
12. Marquez Pope
July 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
#12 Joe Nedney
July 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Rathman was on the team in 94, and is now RB coach.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Nedney was a raider 1st
July 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
13. Dana Stubblefield
July 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
So was Barry Sims….he made the list
Might as well throw Matt Millen on that list.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Lynerd Skinnerd concert 2marrow should be a great show..
July 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Millen was a beast I never understood why we let him go!! It drives me crazy how we always let our studs go play 4 some1 else and sign some looser to big bucks… sheeze It ruff being a RAIDER fan sometimes…
July 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
14. Bill Romanowski
July 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
MR’s Names for his Pets:
10) Kwame
Bono
9) Keena
7) Y.A.
6) Bunzy
5) Brodie
4) Rathman
3) R.W.
2) Eddie D.
1) Montana
July 11th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
OG
u got a link to the picture of MR and his doggie with the jammies????
July 11th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
yeah 408 doesn’t everyone? ask Dakota, he’ll come up with MR in his cute little 9er jammies in 5 seconds.
July 11th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
15. Ted Washington
July 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Dakota
whats up I gotta see this^^^ please help… I always give MR the benifit of the doubt cuz he says he bleads silver and black like the rest of us…..
July 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
16. Howie Williams
July 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Bleeds
July 11th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
17. Kevin Gogan
July 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
18. Elton John
19. RuPaul
20. George Michael
21. Boy George
July 11th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
22. right said fred
July 11th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
23. Milli
24. Vanilli
July 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
BSJ,
Great knowledge.
Riki Ellison
July 11th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
25. Pawn owner, security guard, and gim (leather helmet dude) all from Pulp Fiction
July 11th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
25. Pawn show worker, security guard, and gimp (leather helmet dude) all from Pulp Fiction
July 11th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
26. Perez Hilton.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
And that’s all she wrote! Beer time…
July 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Odell Thurman. Wanted on assault charge.
per.pft.com
July 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Favre asks for his release…I am telling you, he is going to Minny…
July 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Favre will stay retired…
July 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
…but he wants to wear S & B!
July 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Doesn’t, Minn. open in Green Bay?, in the game prior to the Rat hunt on 9-8.
And wasn’t GB planing a big ‘ol sap filled send off, for Coach Madden’s favorite player of all time.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Sorry guys, my MR in 49er jammies picture is awaiting moderation…
July 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Favre to Minn. won’t happen…GB won’t let him play for a team in the same div. Especially not a team that is going to make a run at the Super Bowl in ‘08.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
MR baby picture:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/2526956516_dbb8c6c5c8.jpg?v=0
July 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
You might think that after his last bad experience with the bubbly, Javon Walker would not have been out spraying bottles of Dom Perignon on people partying in a Las Vegas nightclub.
You might.
You might think the Oakland Raiders would have figured out Walker could be bad news at any price, much less the US$16 million he was guaranteed to play wide receiver for them.
You might.
Unlike the Raiders, Walker has an excuse of sorts. Like many athletes he’s young, dumb and so flush with money that he can’t wait to buy $900 bottles of champagne just to shower people with.
Just how dumb really comes into focus when you think about what happened with Walker just 18 months ago when police believe champagne spraying by a teammate touched off a fight in a Denver nightclub. When it was over, Walker was in a limousine cradling a dying Darrent Williams in his arms.
Al Davis isn’t that dumb, just increasingly desperate. The architect of the great Raider teams of old isn’t getting any younger and he badly needs someone to catch the balls thrown by JaMarcus Russell if the Raiders are going to have a chance to win again.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Recent MR picture:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2336/bag2te0cg3.jpg
July 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
#366…..LOL.O effin L
July 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Ron Wolf was Al Davis’s biggest puppet ever.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
The Grateful Dead sucks. Thats a band to go see and listen to if your old, ugly, your old lady is ugly. The songs all suck. The followers are bascically homeless people.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Wolf was a great GM and learned a lot from Davis.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Try Jazz Is Dead Jamarcus.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
But he was a Davis puppet, Al really did run everything back when Wolf was around, he was not using a walker or wheel chair.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
They, tell me that I had a good time at the Dead shows I went to back when..
July 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
808Raidah Says:
July 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Favre to Minn. won’t happen…GB won’t let him play for a team in the same div. Especially not a team that is going to make a run at the Super Bowl in ‘08.
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Well, GB can either let him play for GB or release him…there is no way anyone is trading for that huge contract. If they release him he can go anywhere he wants…including Minny, or maybe Chicago…but I think Minny is closer to the top than Chicago at this point…just my opinion.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Bill Walton and Phil Jackson are huge dead-heads, and last time I checked they were not homeless.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
I think Davis had a system of evaluating players and he made sure Ron Wolf used that system when it came to acquiring players.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Now we will eventually see a long response by MR because he has this groping fettish about Wolf.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
His backfield mate, NFL star running back, LaDainian Tomlinson chose not to play in the AFC Championship Game and had MCL surgery. He, too, is supposed to be ready for the season opener. But will he still have that incredible burst that has made him a future Hall of Famer?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
GB has a third choice and that would be to do nothing. Maybe not the best PR move, but GB holds all the cards. GB doesn’t have to do anything.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Bush likes The Grateful Dead and he lives in the white house. I bet if they asked Obama if he likes The Greatful Dead he would flip flop depending on the crowd. I still am wondering how many boxes of knives Jesse Jackson got in the mail.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
GB is paying Rogers big bucks to wait on Farve to finnaly quit is why they don’t want Farve around.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
My boy Rodgers is getting the shaft!! Butte College baby!
July 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
There is a U.S Senator that is also a big time Dead Head.
Want to say, Sen. Leahey, from Vermont. but can’t swear on it.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
808,
Well, I think that if Favre wants to come back, then they have to accept him back and pay his contract…so if that is what you mean by doing nothing, just letting him be on the roster and paying him big bucks and relegating him to backup QB, I don’t think that will set well with Packer fans…
Why not just let him go?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
The other two question marks are up front. One is All-Pro tight end, Antonio Gates, and the other is center Nick Hardwick, the mainstay of the offensive line. Both are coming off of foot injuries. But the Chargers have yet to say whether either one will be ready for the opener.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Still, San Diego’s question marks are minor compared to Oakland’s.
The biggest one perhaps is not on the playing field but in the front office, namely, Al Davis. First off, he finishes the season by asking his head coach, one-year neophyte, Lane Kiffin, to resign. Kiffin refused. At the very least, he would force Davis to fire him so he could collect the contract money owed to him.
Davis, known for being rather miserly in his old age, opted not to fire Kiffin and save a million dollars.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Then, in a burst of sheer madness, Davis turns around and spends $255 million, hoping to fix what’s wrong with the Raiders. The only problem is that he, himself, is what’s wrong with the Raiders. Davis, a control freak, has turned Oakland into perennial AFC West cellar-dwellers.
Davis has been a miser for so long that he has forgotten how to spend wisely. With a pressing need to bolster a defense that was third in the NFL overall in 2006, but dropped all the way to 22nd in 2007 and 31st in yards allowed rushing, Davis drafts Darren McFadden, another running back.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Myths are hard to prove, huh KoolKell?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
going fishing for yellowtail tomorrow
July 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The San Diego locker room is still in a tail spin since Rivers played on a bum knee and LT didn’t, a bad omen for Chargerland.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
The Raiders had just signed Justin Fargas to a long-term contract and have a decent backup in Michael Bush. The top defensive tackle in the nation, LSU’s Glenn Dorsey, was theirs for the asking. But, no thanks, Davis wants to add some flash and sell tickets rather than win games.
Yes, McFadden is versatile. Yes, he will add some punch to the offense. But with Warren Sapp retired and a defense that was 31st in rush yards, you cannot let Glenn Dorsey go to the Kansas City Chiefs, which is what Al Davis did.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Catch and Filet.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I had yellowtail raw at a suhi bar the other night, the fatty under belly where the silvery skin was attached is very tasty.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Dorsey really looked good against McFadden, lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Then the Denver Broncos dump injury-plagued Javon Walker after catching only seven passes in six games. What does Davis do? He signs Walker to a six-year $55 million contract with $16 million guaranteed. Those seven catches must have really looked great on film.
Then, further bad luck struck the Raiders. Walker was beaten, robbed, and left unconscious in Las Vegas last week. He is expected to recover in time for training camp, to see how much of that $55 million he can earn.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
The defense was 31st against the run because of Sapp in particular.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
And what does Denver do? Turn to Brandon Marshall, who as of today is being investigated by the NFL.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Oh and btw, all you Travis Henry fans will welcome the news I guess, he failed another drug test.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
he only thing Raiders’ optimists really have going for them is an easy schedule. That should guarantee them two wins—Atlanta and Miami. If they can somehow put together a half-decent defense, they may manage to steal three, maybe four more wins at most.
Just a few samples of what they’re saying.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Marshall vs Walker: Domestic violance, dui, driving on revoked liscense without insurance vs beaten and robbed in a drunken stuper. I’ll take Walker anyday.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
MR is trolling today and has no fire to spit with lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Wow, Kell.. have you been drinking someones’s 9er’ aid today??
July 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Wow, Kell.. have you been drinking someone’s 9er’ aid today??
July 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Shanahan is finnaly seeing that when things start going bad they do it in a hurry and tend to stay that way for a while.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
my bad on the double post..oops
July 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
KK:
DMac was the right choice. Davis made a lot of moves this off-season and I we improved.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
san diego and baja are great places to go offshore fishing.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
reasons al drafted mcfadden
1. He loves speed
2. Sells tickets/jerseys
3. closer to the championship with him
4. Help out his young QB more weapons
5. Worked for the vikings with AP
6. just paid thomas kelly a lot of money
7. Glen dorsey had a injury problem
July 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
KK:
Dmac was drafted for his skills, but the Raiders are also trying to surround JRuss with talent.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
the tastiest part of the tuna is the cheek. i order it every time i go to my fav sushi restaurant.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I just hope we don’t see Cutler with his eyes rolled up in his eye sockets screaming “I love Al Davis” after the team doctors miss diagnose his low blood sugar and refuse to give him a candy bar and a cola on the sidelines.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
The Raiders don’t rebuild; they just reload. So goes the thinking of owner Al Davis. No one dares mention the dreaded “R” word in Davis’ presence.
But it’s difficult to call what the Raiders have done the past five seasons anything other than rebuilding. Just about every player from their 2003 Super Bowl team is gone. Young players man most of the so-called “skill positions.” The Raiders no longer take on players who are on the verge of retirement.
It’s all part of coach Lane Kiffin’s grand plan to make over the Raiders in short order, rid the locker room of its losing mindset and do whatever it takes to make the team relevant again.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
i don’t know how to spell it “kama”
July 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
yes we finally got things in order, the only thing i didnt like is all the money we through at kelly im sure we could have gave him a smaller contract was anyone bidding for the guy?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Defense
Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan likes to keep things simple, for the most part. He asks his cornerbacks to play man-to-man coverage, his linemen to apply pressure on the quarterback and his linebackers and safeties to concentrate on run support. He doesn’t like to blitz as often as most coordinators.
On occasion, Ryan will switch to a three- or five-man line in an attempt to create confusion for the offense. However, he counts on his base defense to perform well enough so he doesn’t have to resort to too many looks.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Quit with all the Davis did this and Davis did that from his walker please. Kiffin is remaking the team with Davis’s blessing, nothing more. Anytime you see Davis hand pick a clone of Shanahan you know he has given the keys to the coach. A west coast style offense, heavy on the run with a cut blocking scheme. Like I said before, it took Gruden 7 tries to finnaly beat Shanahan, it took Kiffin 2.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Kelly would have gotten more on the open market.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I hope farve goes to the ravens or miami..I want some revenge for what he did to us last year
July 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
jake grove defensive player of the year…!lol
July 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Johnny Reb,
That’s your opinion, I respectfully disagree. Your speculations are no more worthy than those people in NFL circles. I’ve been following this guy since 1964, local boy, Frank Youell Field Alumni.
I respect your dedication, but it just aint so.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
The book on: Nnamdi Asomugha
A rival sizes up the Raiders’ top-flight cornerback:
“Asomugha is the rare kind of player who can make those around him better because of his ability to excel in man-to-man coverage and help his teammates recognize tendencies. His instincts are matched by few at his position. He has that rare combination of size, speed, instincts and tackling ability, something matched perhaps only by Champ Bailey.
“Asomugha took a while to develop into a front-line player but, once he gained confidence, he elevated his game into the stratosphere. Sometimes, you have to remind yourself just how good he is because teams rarely throw his way. You get the sense that he has the work ethic and character to keep getting better, even though he is at the point in his career where he is going to be among the highest-paid players in the league. . . .
“Having someone like Asomugha on your team is a luxury few teams have in that you know you’re going to get a standout performance from him every game and you don’t have to worry about him getting into any trouble off the field. It’s mind-boggling how this guy hasn’t been selected to a Pro Bowl yet.”
July 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
lets bring in more wide receivers…let them compete…forget all those extra special teams players..
July 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
GET BACK TO WORK PEOPLE! IF I HAVE TO WORK SO DO YOU!
July 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
The Walsh west coast offense set up the run with the pass, Shanahan sets up the pass with the run instead. That I can see Davis signing off on, he likes to run first. I think that was the fundamental problem between Gruden and Davis from the beginning. Davis wanted to run and throw deep, then start the dink and dunk game if needed. Gruden wanted to pass then run. Passing underneath, rarely going over the top. The Gruden offense met its match against a Tampa Bay defense designed to stop the pass first. And thats exactly what they did.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Travis Henry is addcted to that kalifornia Kush
July 11th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
any word and Aso?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Football is not complicated and I have been a fan for four decades now so I know a little about Davis and how he operates, in and out of his walker. I bet his vision is barely 20-30 if its even close to that. He is 79 years old for gods sake lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
You can’t get over it because they play again this year, what if they meet in the Superbowl again in 2 years? But I highly doubt that because Gruden’s Bucs will be over the hill by then.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Al Davis is a sports icon haha
July 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
seriously , Why is lamont jordan still on the roster…??? i’ll take a wide receiver working at the local market over him right now
July 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
can’t wait to see him in his black and white jump suit stroller or no stroller he will be on the field.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
He’s a tackling dummy for our linebackers.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
You don’t think Lane knows how to beat dear old dad’s defense? He knows exactly how to do it, runa and run some more. 45-0 ring a bell?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Al Davis make ALL FOOTBALL RELATED DECISIONS for the Raiders. If you think otherwise, you obviously are delusional.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Grant irons??? =u have to be fu^#%# kidding..al davis is giving this kid too much love just cause his pops played for us…man…u killing me today!!
July 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Bottom line
The Raiders play only one team that finished with a winning record or made the playoffs last season in their first 12 games this year. Davis made a series of bold, expensive moves designed to jolt the Raiders from their five-season funk.
The dynamic McFadden joins Russell on offense. Add it allup and things are seemingly rosy. However, there are just too many question marks to think Oakland can make the leap from 4-12 to playoff contender in one season. This team would do well to win eight games and show continued progress in its rebuilding process. SN prediction: 3-13, fourth in AFC West.
Steve Corkran covers the Raiders for the Contra Costa Times and Sporting News.
ouch!
July 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Dakota it’s Friday man who is working??
July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Vegas,
I heard the Pre-Trial Hearing was to start today in Vegas. Anything?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
vegas prolly has us at 7-9
July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
You guys live in fantasy land if you think Davis can run the franchise from an office chair without help from those around him, the real world just does not work that way. Irons is just being given the chance to catch on to another team, he won’t make the Raiders squad. At least they are helping the guy out. Cockran can have his opinion, lets see what he is saying in 2 months.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Vegas, I have to wait in my office for 8 more minutes…told a client I would be here…he hasn’t shown yet. Normally I am out of the office by noon on Friday…this is really messing up my weekend!
July 11th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I want the raiders to win more thatn anyone,but putting all our hopes on a 2nd year rookie qb, a rookie rb and a wr’s corp thats never worn the silver and black before this year is a hard sale. if walker isnt ready who are the raiders putting in JOhny morant?? ouuch .Prediction 8-8
July 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Davis’ world works that way….everyone knows it but you Johnny.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Drew Carter ring a bell?
July 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
yes, i agree but with the running game we have we will be in most games.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Dakota go drink from the holy grail, you might convince me.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Now just hold on a second there, young fella. I wasn’t talking to you, I was talking to him. You kids need to get your facts straight. I got mine. That’s what I’m talking about.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Russell already had his timing down with Carter, Miller, and Bush at the OTAs, now McFadden gets his chance soon enough.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
We’re going to have a nice madden team to start a franchise with.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I drink this:
http://www.eurobrews.com/HolyGrailPoster600.jpg
July 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
No wonder you think Davis is in control of all things Raiders, I bet you get more angry as you drink.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
No, I get angry because I can’t drink all of the time.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
I blame Davis for all the bad hires over the years and/or bad coaching decisions, like Shell over Shanahan.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
yes yes yes davis is a bold man, and sometimes gives people to many chances, and we have lost a coach or 2 a player or 2 due to his hard headed, egotistical nature, but hey thats why his is where he is.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Dakota: Fannie and Freddie are messing up my weekend!!
Wagon: The Raiders over/under for wins is 6, but the niners are 5.5.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The only worse thing than a Raider fan pining over Gruden is a Raider fan pining over Shanahan.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I paid off my student loan through Fannie Mae…can’t blame me Vegas.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
thanks for the info vegas
July 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I’m taking the over, I think this team is going to rally around Russell’s leadership. 8 wins.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
KK:
Haven’t been able to listen to local radio today, so I got no scoop. No news on Fox 5 websites, who broke the story and have been on top of things from the beginning.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Think about it a momment before you go insane, Shell picks Aaron Brooks to be the starting quarterback, without mind you, any competition, over all the other possible quarterbacks around the league they could have brought in just to take a look.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I am out…
As to Favre, I predicted this in early March…look it up and remember…
Dakota is ALWAYS RIGHT! (except for my Lakers in 4 or 5 prediction)
July 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Thanks Vegas, Out.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
bastards get to go home at 4 i still got another hour.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
KK:
I think we can get 8 wins, and we talked about it before, week 1 is a playoff game. Win and who knows, with some momentum and a little luck (Rivers, LT injury) the division should be attainable. Lose ugly week 1 at home to the donkeys and watch out.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I agree, talent wise we are better then the broncos.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I still can see them 3-1 or 2-2 at the bye and in a tie for first in the division or sitting in second.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
So wagon did you get your #20 jersey yet??
July 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
i can see us goin 4-2 in are division
July 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
nope debating if i want a mcfadden, hall or thomas howard jersey
July 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
we should be able to run all over denver everyone does.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I remember posting on this blog about wanting Adrian Peterson instead of Jamarcus, and than telling everyone how right I was when AP blew up this year. But now I look at it, and I would rather have Jamarcus and D-Mac, than AP and Matt Ryan. So I guess I was wrong and apologize to everyone I yelled at on her.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Sports news has us going 3-13
July 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
haha yeah jamarcus has something about him that you can see him being a better dante culpepper.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
The hell with Sports News
July 11th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I’ve been telling you guys the Raiders just got lucky, something special is about to happen for this team.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
vegas has all the best predictions, and they got us goin 6-10 which is about right, because we have a rookie qb who has yet to win a game.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders got the best 2 skill position players in back to back drafts in the country (sec) and it will start showing immediately, starting with game one.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Aikman went 1-15.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
That sucks
July 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
mcfadden touchdowwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn raaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyddddddddassssssssss
July 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
anyone know who we play at home for preseason and the dates by any chance?
July 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Next the league will alter the draft selection process so no team gets back to back top five selections because of the Raiders lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
The more I live here, and betting on games is a big hobby of mine, the more I see Vegas being so right it is scary.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I’m outta here fellas, it was nice actually talking football
July 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
ok i just check out are schedule we have 12 games that i can see us winning. but that includes beating the broncos twice and chiefs twice which is hard to do.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I wonder if California will still be on fire by the time training camp opens on the 24th.
Seriously, this is getting out of hand.
Living under a cloud of smoke for 3 consecutive weeks has been great!
July 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
IMO the Raiders got a huge break being able to play all thre division opponents in the first four weeks.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Where going to know where we stand in the division real fast.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
it’ll be nice to win the first two to get jamarcuses confidance up.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Rebel,
The Raiders will have the home field advantage. The other teams, except for maybe San Diego, won’t be used to constant smoke inhilation.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
travis hengry will ha
July 11th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
But 6-10 Wins me a grand. Stupid charger fans bet me that we wouldn’t win 5 games! jerks
July 11th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
you should have offered him a lifetime bet the chargers never win the superbowl.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
NATION WHAT IS UP???? el dirty can i get in on that action bro?
We win 8 games minimum you can take that to any bank…
same as cash.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I already did! I bet them they wouldn’t win a superbowl in the next 5 years 100 bucks a year we are now on year 5 I will be paid 500 come Dec.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
charger fans are idiots
July 11th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Thec
I wish I could get them to bet more! We made that bet before the draft! Now the want to lower the amount! lol
July 11th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
yeah i loved niner fans reaction after the draft when we got mcfadden, u can see the jealousy.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
WE NEED TO DOMINATE EVERYONE 16-0!! (I can dream)
July 11th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Wow. Fun, knowledge, good Raider talk, good spirits, something seems to be missing…………can’t put my finger on it tho.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
El Dirty..#499
sweet, good call on that one.
rusted bolt, fans never have been the sharpest knife in the ol’ drawer..lol.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
dischargers wont ever win a SB it is not their birthright to win.
Winning in the NFL is a NATION birthright.
It is not in the dischargers DNA to ever win a SB.
I expect this group of NATION members to win at least 2 SB’s.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I got a bet with a discharger fan. I bet him that we would gain 230 yards or more on the ground.
dischargers have a good defense, the achilles is williams, his knees are shot doubt if he makes it thru the season, they have no real backup. to the mediots who gave them the title of AFC west allready dont count on that just yet.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
They have this year to win after that they spiral
July 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Thats 230 yards on the ground in 2 games.
easiest money you will ever make……
July 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
ite raider nation out for the weekend, yall have a good one, its getting closer….
July 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
N-O-R-V-A-L. Will work his ineptitude, this year. The division is ours for the taking.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
The funny thing is no one is really talking about the injuries. Last I heard LT was crying that he felt pain when he cut….what a pu$$y, i dont have any respect for him. the thing i want to see that i know is going to happen is that we paramedic rivers. Hardwick may or may not be ready which is why they signed our garbage. hardwick is the anchor of the o-line and with him out it is going to be tough. The big key for the dischargers is gates. he is not fully healed from his injury but he is a gamer and will suit up unlike that biotch lt, f him anyway.
i say te window closes shut on them and there starting backup qb, and they slink right back to the rightfull place of being nothing.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
909, your right this division is more open than most think. The back up to that biotch lt is sproles, and hester. ROFLMAO
July 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
norv turner when he gives interviews sounds like an incompetent idiot… i cant stand that guy.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
NATION out u uys soak it up the time is drawing near for us to take our rightfull place, and in the process give the middle finger news to all the haters, doubter, mediots, and bandwagoners.
I see and hear of lots of imitations, but there exist
only one NATION.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Thec…
It seems that you have a deep seated, hatred for ol’ Phillip ehh??…lol..
July 11th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
That’s a good bet
July 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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July 11th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
You guys, have a good weekend. And all you NO-CAL’S, hang in there w/ all the fires & smoke up there.
Just talked w/ a friend, who was in the Sac-Town area today on business , he said the air quality was pretty rough… hang in there..
Mother Nature, can still be a bitch…
July 11th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
If Al has any nuts at all he will sign FARVE to a one year contract. Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
we dont need that old guy we got Jamarcus…..
July 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Signing Favre would set Jamarcus back in his development and his moral would be shot….dumb move.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Yeah we need to sign Nnamdi ufck everybody else Nnamdi deserves hes scrill ya dig..
July 11th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Are you guys telling me you’d rather have JaMarcus (basically a rookie) Russell starting at QB for the Raiders NEXT YEAR than Brett(Hall of Fame)Farve? Oh, I forgot who I was dealing with. Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
yes thats what Im saying
July 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Russell is a rookie. Farve had a great year last year. The guy can still play. You don’t think the Raiders offense, not to mention the coaching staff, would benefit from all of Farve’s experience? Don’t bother responding.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
We need to keep rebuilding cuz that reload bs hasnt been working 4 us lately… BTW I asked all day and no 1 could produce the picture of you (MR) in the jammies (whiner) and the dog montanna so ur still a raider fan in my book…
July 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
The Raiders wouldn’t need a run defense with Farve at QB. The Raiders would win the Super Bowl NEXT year with Farve at QB, and the following year Russell would be ready to take over. Russell would benefit more than anyone. Gruden would do it. Don’t bother reponding.
July 11th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Ron Wolf would do it. Don’t bother responding.
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