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Training camp, Day 3

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, July 26th, 2008 at 7:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Quick hits from the Raiders’ lone practice Saturday:

– It was probably to be expected after the aerial display featuring JaMarcus Russell the previous evening, but the Raiders came back to earth Saturday afternoon in a snappy practice that was wrapped up in under an hour and 40 minutes.

Things were much more difficult for the near-rookie, as Russell mixed in some nice balls with several that were broken up and nearly intercepted, as well as one badly thrown pass late over the middle that free safety Michael Huff read perfectly and snared on a dive.

Coach Lane Kiffin said he was more interested in watching Russell convert the routine plays than the sort of Star Wars show he put on Friday night.

“We’re not going to coach those special throws that he makes where he’s running over there and he throws back and makes those great throws. That’s who he is and very few people can do that,” Kiffin said. “But those happen one time a game, maybe two times. We’ve got to get him to do everything right, the little things, the little completions and the timing of everything.

“That’s all the stuff that wows the fans and people watching but that’s not what makes you a good quarterback. A good quarterback plays with great discipline, he takes care of the ball and he throws things on time. We’re going to have to get that going with him. He’s continuing to improve on it. We’re giving him a lot of reps. We’re wearing him out on purpose for conditioning, not just his arm but his body.”

Said Russell about what was important: “The small detail things. When you pay close attention to that, then things will be better for you instead of being Superman all the time.”

– During one seven-on-seven sequence, Russell was nearly intercepted by DeAngelo Hall while looking for Johnnie Lee Higgins along the sideline _ a pass that could have been a defensive touchdown. His next pass, intended for tight end Tony Stewart, was tipped in the air and nearly intercepted by Sam Williams.

– Two plays later, Marques Tuiasosopo, who also threw well Friday night, was intercepted by linebacker Robert Thomas on a pass intended for Jonathan Holland.

– In a team sequence, Russell fared better when on back-to-back throws. Drew Carter made a difficult, physical catch with Chris Johnson draped all over him on a 12-yard out, and Russell followed it up with a touch lob for 20-plus yards to tight end John Madsen in stride.

– Early in practice, with the running backs breaking out of one drill and heading toward another at the horn, Kiffin threw a high pass which nearly caught an unsuspecting Darren McFadden right in the face guard, with McFadden reaching up at the last second to knock down.

At the conclusion of practice, Kiffin was talking to an assistant coach only to be nearly struck by a Shane Lechler skyscraper. It was caught by Rashad Baker.

“Was that Shane or the JUGS machine?,” Kiffin asked as he went to the podium to speak to reporters. When told it was Lechler, Kiffin said, “Don’t think he didn’t do that on purpose.”

– Rookie receiver Arman Shields, who has had some impressive moments through the early sessions, incurred the wrath of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp for a half-speed route.

“C’mon rook. Break on it,” Knapp barked. “When you break on it, you might want to go toward the ball and not off the field. You’ve got to focus when you’re tired.”

– Running backs coach Tom Rathman was instructing running backs how to stop in their tracks in the middle of a zone then break outside to get open underneath. He used Justin Griffith to demonstrate how it was done before turning to second-year fullback Oren O’Neal and McFadden.

O’Neal ran the route well enough, but didn’t look up in time and Russell’s pass glanced off his hands.

“Gotta have it, `O,’ ” Rathman said.

Next was McFadden, who ran into the middle and then peeled off without stopping first.

“No, sit first. You’ve got to sit first,” Rathman said.

– Left tackle Kwame Harris missed practice with a sore lower back and is expected back Sunday morning. In his place, Paul McQuistan, who has been seeing time at left guard, moved outside to tackle. Also playing left tackle were Seth Wand and Mario Henderson, who is competing with Cornell Green on the right side.

Raiders tackles have had difficulty slowing the charge of Derrick Burgess (almost always on the left side, a few snaps on the right) and Kalimba Edwards from the outside. Kiffin conceded it is that area where Harris will need to get up to speed.

“He’s been a better run player for us so far,” Kiffin said. “We got some things in the pass protection going back to the left side — he hasn’t been there for a while — that we’ve got to work out, that (Tom) Cable’s working on with him. We got a lot of hopes for him, and we’re going to need him.”

– The Raiders appear to be running the ball well and crisply with Justin Fargas, McFadden and Michael Bush, although until they face a team in a different uniform, it will be tough to tell how good they really are.

– Linemen who false start have been told to take laps around the field, with McQuistan and Brandon Robb among those to make the circuit Saturday.

– Rookie end Trevor Scott has had some difficulty disengaging and making his presence felt a pass rusher. A converted tight end, Scott is listed at 6-foot-5, 255 pounds and actually looks smaller out of uniform.

One one play, with Louis Rankin breaking free, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan yelled, “C’mon Trevor, you’ve got to hold that edge!”

“It’s definitely something that takes getting used to,” Scott said. “Coming from college to the NFL, there’s really no comparison. Guys are just phenomenal, and the O-linemen have great feet, and that’s where coach (Keith) Millard is really telling me to hone in on my techniques and trust my technique and have my technique beat theirs. Use agility and quickness and try to get around them.”

– Huff, sometimes invisible while lost in among the bigger players at strong safety, has been conspicuous not only with his playmaking, but his enthusiasm for playing free safety.

“I’m out there running around, having fun, make Gibril (Wilson) take on all the tackles and guards and fullbacks and all that,” Huff said. “I can stay back there and make plays.”

Huff is doing a good job reading the offense, but is having a hard time figuring out his weight pattern. He said he tried to bulk up to last year and finished the season at a skeletal 193 pounds. Now that he’s a free safety, he is up to 205.

“I know it’s strange, but I feel quick out there, real fast,” Huff said.

– If Tommy Kelly is as good as the Raiders seem to think he is, that $18.125 million guaranteed won’t seem so bad after the $22 million guaranteed Glenn Dorsey got from the Kansas City Chiefs.

It was just a day or two ago that Chiefs exec Carl Peterson was spouting his usual nonsense about Dorsey’s contract demands, only to cave in and pay what the market demanded he pay.

– Kelly has been putting in overtime on the cardio machines after practice, working on getting his weight down. He has been one of the last players to leave the field house.

– Safety Greg Wesley (back spasms) and linebacker Grant Irons (hamstring) missed practice and are day-to-day. Defensive end Fred Wakefield (flu-like symptoms) was back at practice and even played a few snaps inside at defensive tackle.

– If Al Davis is the kind of guy who worries about these things, he hates the idea of LaMont Jordan joining New England, where he could join Randy Moss and show up the Raiders by putting up big numbers, and even warned his agent to make sure he went somewhere else.

More logically, Davis is pleased to see Jordan wind up in a place where he is buried behind Lawrence Maroney and Kevin Faulk, putting him only one rung above the Fargas-McFadden-Bush mountain he faced in Oakland.

– The Raiders have a double session today with the first practice at 9 a.m. and the second at 7 p.m.

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  • http://none MR

    And, Dakota, we talked about the comedy thing. It’s not really funny if it’s only funny to your own tight knit group. Do you honestly believe any casual observer would come in here and think your put downs are good? The whole pretending to be a shrink routine? It’s only funny to you and the other “MR haters” in here, and that’s only because I get so far under your guys’ skin. Nobody outside of your guys’ little circle jerk thinks your funny, Dakota. Nobody.

    Look, Dakota, I have a thick skin. If somebody comes up with a good put down directed at me, I’ll let them know it. I enjoy good jokes, even if I’m the butt of them. But if it’s just some retard repeatedly playing the shrink routine and accusing me of living in my mother’s basement…oh, and can’t forget the “camel toes” thing yesterday (the average 8th grader would think that was stupid, let alone adult…), the joke’s really on you, and your inbred crowd that relishes in them, thinking such soft, brainless quips will somehow deter me in here…

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    MR Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Dakota, if I needed a shrink,

    Christ ALMIGHTY, if there is one person on the freaking planet that needs psychological help badly dude, it’s you. Literally HUNDREDS of people here have recommended you get some type of help. Including two long time posters Dakota and myself. Seek help son.

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    Hilarious. How about the one in the crib???

  • Dakota
  • http://raiders.com 408RAIDER

    I liked the 1 of the bear with that dudes head in his mouth after that story about the 2 russ1anguys got ate.. that isht had me LMAO

  • http://none MR

    And with the photos, Dakota. Posting links to photos to put people down is something we did back in 1996 on AIM. You’re a little late for that party. But then again, you probably just learned how to use the internet last year.

  • HayesDaze#37

    Yeah Dakota — Stick to calling people retards and idiots. That’s the more mature way to insult people.

  • http://none MR

    Oakglenn, I’ll see a shrink if you do. We’ll go together, because you’re here as much as I am. And you’re much more emotional and worked up than me. So by default, that makes you more in need of therapy. But I’ll go with you. I believe therapy can only make a person better. I like to exercise my brain in all ways possible. My worst nightmare is to become some simpleton who truly believes that posting random google images and captioning them with someone’s name is clever and witty.

  • raider11680

    I think MR might be Aaron Brooks…

  • Dakota

    Well MR, it was rather difficult to post photos using my dial-up smoke signal connection in 1996, but now we have high-speed smoke signal connection…so sit back and enjoy.

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    He looked so cute as a baby.

  • Thec

    NATION what is up? Some of you guys want to debate as if this is the high school, or college debate team. this S#!t is really laughable. also trying to change ones “opinion” or their perspective on the team sepesically if it is positive is also very laughable.

    Jokers R US hahahahhhahaha. Ignore the ignorant.

  • http://none MR

    Hayez, when I call someone a retard or an idiot, it’s because it’s true. But I don’t have “camel toes”, and it’s not me in those photos Dakota is posting. So you’re comparing apples to oranges.

  • Thec

    Raiders 31 – donkeys 0

    Super bowl in 3…….

    Now what?

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    Or, we can all just post 19-61, the last five years, ad nauseum.

  • http://none MR

    # raider11680 Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    I think MR might be Aaron Brooks…

    …….

    Do you make more or less money than Aaron Brooks?

  • raider11680

    camel toes….lol

  • Thec

    Archair debaters, GM’s, and shirnks. This place is great for entertainment alone.

  • raider11680

    More I believe… how about you.

  • http://none MR

    Hey, Oakglenn, how long till you tell the others to ignore me? LOL. Cause we can see you’re doing a fine job of it right now…

  • HayesDaze#37

    MR Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
    And, Dakota, we talked about the comedy thing. It’s not really funny if it’s only funny to your own tight knit group. Do you honestly believe any casual observer would come in here and think your put downs are good?

    ——————

    MR — take out Dakota’s name there, and add your own. This is what we all recognize as your two-faced, hypocritical ways. Keep losing credibility (like there is any left) with every post.

    So predictable it’s almost funny.

  • http://none MR

    Watch, give it an hour or two…and Oakglenn is going to go off on one of his tangents about how the only reason I’m here is because you guys keep engaging me, and that if you guys just ignored me, I’d go away. When he does, and he WILL, be sure to refer him to the comments in the past 10 minutes.

  • Thec

    Hey guys let me practice on my debate skills by arguing inane facts or issues that have much ado about nothing. I am a lawyer but i debate online…..nice.

  • http://none MR

    Hayes, I don’t try to be funny. Everything I say, I say because it’s true. For instance, Dakota is a retard. That’s not a quip or a joke. He is retarded. He admits he’s slow. He brags about it. It’s kind of a redneck thing, I guess.

  • Dakota

    Camel toes??? I think you are refering to my queef reference?

    Here is a refresher:

    62. MR Says:
    July 25th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Dakota, True of False: Denver, in the modern day era, has found ways to beat us despite us looking better than them on paper?

    67. Dakota Says:
    July 25th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Shhhh, did you guys hear that? I thought I heard a queef in post #62…you know, a pu$$y trying to communicate…

  • http://raiders.com 408RAIDER
  • Thec

    Has the rumor been dispelled on DMAC?

  • HayesDaze#37

    And (hopefully) one last thing — I’ve never even clicked on one of Dakota’s links. Nobody here needs to do that to figure out the real MR. He does a bad enough job of that all by himself.

    Football anyone?

  • http://none MR

    Countdown to Oakglenn’s lecture about ignoring MR (even after he spent the past half hour going at it with me), in less than an hour. Stay tuned…

  • raider11680

    I’m only speaking for myself, but the only reason I keep replaying to you is because I find amusing how you keep making yourself look like anything else but a raider fan. It must take a lot of cojones to sit around and post on other people’s special interest sites just so that you can see how much of a wave you can cause.

  • Dakota

    MR Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    Hayes, I don’t try to be funny. Everything I say, I say because it’s true. For instance, Dakota is a retard. That’s not a quip or a joke. He is retarded. He admits he’s slow. He brags about it. It’s kind of a redneck thing, I guess.
    ______________________________________________________

    I’m not retarded retarded retarded!

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    Actually MR I made one post directed at you to get psychological help. Once again, hundreds of posters here on this site, from all over the world, have directed you to do that. They haven’t directed me to do that. They haven’t directed Dakota, or SB666, or Raiderdogg. Just you. Seek professional help. I am done with MR again.

  • Andrews mom

    I have been doing some homework and have come to a conclusion.
    These are the greatest QB’s of the modern era.

    Montana
    Plunkett
    Staubach
    Elway
    Bradshaw
    Griese
    Brady
    Marino
    Star

    I was thinking about adding Aikmen but …… well I dont need to repeat the rumors.

  • Andrews mom

    Opps
    I meant add Stabler to my list

  • http://none MR

    I agree, Hayez, back to football.

    So, what kind of chance does a team have when they’re 19-61 over the past 5 years, and still have the same GM?

  • http://none MR

    OK, Oakglenn has just declared he’s done engaging me. So, that means we’ve got about a half hour until Oakglenn lectures the rest of you and demands you ignore me. He’s pretty much on schedule…

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    11680 it’s called trolling. Someone here posted a whole diatribe about it a couple of days ago, and one of the most interesting parts of this was the writer said trolls will come in and repeat themselves over and over. Just like MoRon.

  • http://none MR

    Uh oh, are we sure Oakglenn’s done? Remember, referring to someone in 3rd person is the same as engaging them. So, he’s got some more engaging to do, before he quits and then lectures the rest of you on engaging me. We’re behind a few minutes, now…

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    Andrews Mom, personally I don’t have Joe Montana at the top of my list only because Montana was surrounded by Hall of Famers. Brashaw was the same way, but both are incredibly good QB’s no doubt.

  • http://none MR

    Listen, you guys, make sure that none of you address me or mention my name, again. That way Oakglenn will be easier on you in about a half hour, when he goes off on his tangent demanding you guys ignore me. The nail sticking out is the one that gets hammered.

  • HayesDaze#37

    There are plenty of guys sore after the first few days of practice. Harris should be fine — better to rest a sore part, than to risk a season-long lingering injury.

    And, it takes awhile for new coaching and techniques take hold. We want all players to rely on their coaching and technique when it’s crunch-time. Anybody remember what Gallery said last year about keeping his head while in the trenches, in the heat of battle? That’s what Cable needs to get from Harris, and if they’re as good as their potential suggests (Harris AND Cable), it’ll be a great success.

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    I smell someone melting down again in a few minutes. hence my post #283.

  • Dakota

    What about that one guy….Brett Ferver, or Bruce Favur…he was pretty good.

  • raider11680

    Well MR, when the GM is also the majority owner, you don’t have much of a chance to do anything about that.
    Plus, on a Al Davis note, I think it’s funny that now that the Raiders have been on a slump all of a sudden Al Davis is this senile character. Old, yes. On his last leg, oh hell yes. Ok, and maybe a little senile too, but still, that doesn’t take away from the fact that he was a major player in bringing the AFL and NFL together. Or that he took a Raiders team that was falling apart and turn it into a championship team. Just because the current state of the franchise is not what we might want it to be, doesn’t mean Al Davis is a horrible owner. Let’s not forget the positives people.
    However, I do agree that he should be passing the torch soon. And I think that how much money he spent this off season is an indicator that the end of his rule might be very close.

  • http://none MR

    Oakglenn, tell us about the time Joe Montana told you in a Wendy’s bathroom that he wanted to play for the Raiders. Remember that?

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    Daze the guy who has had the best camp so far is Jason Richardson. Dude might be developing into a PLAYA.

  • http://www.Raiders.com Oakglenn

    #283

  • http://none MR

    Raider11680, you’re asking for it. Oakglenn has just stopped engaging me, finally. You know what that means? His lecture to the rest of you guys, where he demands that you guys ignore me, is coming within minutes. Don’t be the nail sticking out.

  • http://raiders.com 408RAIDER

    Payton is better than brett IMO

  • http://none MR

    Oakglenn, Montana wanted to be a Raider, remember? Tell us that story, please? He told you in an Arby’s bathroom, or something like that?