Receivers still not catching on
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, August 20th, 2008 at 3:37 pm in Oakland Raiders, Regular Season (2005).
Quick hits from Raiders practice Wednesday:
– After watching as footballs continue to litter the ground after glancing only temporarily off the hands of intended receivers, Lane Kiffin was asked whether the challenge he issued to his receivers to improve their play had been met.
“Unfortunately, I haven’t seen it,” Kiffin said. “I don’t how many (drops) today, probably seven, and a number of them with our frontline guys. So we’ll see. We’ll come out here tomorrow and the plan is for these guys to play a lot in the game and get some shots to produce.”
Running back Justin Fargas dropped a pair of easy swing pass opportunities from Russell. Russell moved on a reverse roll to his left and found Drew Carter, only to have the pass dropped.
Todd Watkins, one of the most reliable receivers in camp, mishandled an easy opportunity on a medium depth pass over the middle.
During one goal line drill, Javon Walker tried to make a difficult catch near the goal line but was unable to come up with it, a play that happened right in front of Al Davis, who was seated in a golf cart watching practice.
Walker gave Davis a quick wave, but got nothing in return. (The two talked after practice).
Moments later, Walker lined up in the left slot, only to be repositioned by Ronald Curry, who sent him to the other side of the field. Walker was able redeem himself in some measure by catching a short pass in the end zone in front of Darrick Brown, in the same corner where Davis was still watching.
Kiffin was asked if the dropped passes can be contageous.
“Definitely I think it can. I think it’s like anything, it can affect people around you no matter what it is,” Kiffin said. “Then all of a sudden that confidence in your group, one of your guys starts to lose it and it can start affecting guys if you don’t have an extremely confident group that’s done it for a long time.”
– Tight ends Zach Miller and John Madsen continued to secure the ball consistently, and were joined in that regard Wednesday by Tony Stewart, who returned from a toe injury.
– When the Raiders finally struck with a deep pass, it came from the unlikely combination of Marques Tuiasosopo to Drisan James on a 30-plus yard corner route. James appeared to catch the ball on a dive despite tight coverage from Nnamdi Asomugha and Michael Huff.
Touchdown?
Senior executive John Herrera, standing at the goal line, said yes.
Mark Davis, son of the Raiders owner, said no.
– Russell had a good sequence during a third-down drill in a team format from varying distances. He opened with a short completion to Miller which was short ot the first down, but followed with a first down strike to the right sideline to Chaz Schilens, a successful conversion on a slant pass to Walker, a third-and-4 conversion to Madsen and a third-and-9 conversion to Ronald Curry before Carter’s drop of a deep pass.
– More good work from Russell in a red zone drill _ a 22-yard TD strike to Carter over Brown and consecutive touchdown passes to Madsen and Stewart.
– The Raiders are working with Russell to get rid of the ball when things don’t open up, a problem which dogged Walter in the Art Shell-Tom Walsh era where the coaching staff held to the archaic strategy of waiting until a receiver broke free _ regardless of the length of time.
Kiffin conceded the coaches can talk all the want, but the real learning would only come on game day.
“It’s one of the hardest things that you do because it only happens on game day,” Kiffin said. “He doesn’t get hit in practice. That’s why veteran guys are better than young guys. That’s why when you have a rookie you have to be careful with what you do, in my opinion.
“Those things come with experience from the game. That’s the only way you can get it. You can’t do it in practice. You can say as much as you want: ‘Ball gone, ball gone’ when it’s got to be gone but it’s not the same as getting hit in the back of the head when you hold onto it too long. ”
“That’s why we’re playing him a lot in the preseason. That’s why we’re also at times going to be conservative with him.”
– Russell made a nice read on a Stanford Routt blitz, hitting Carter for a gain in the area Routt vacated to rush the passer.
– Louis Rankin broke into the clear on one run, with defensive coordinator Rob Ryan taking strong safety Gibril Wilson to task.
“That’s your fit, Gibril. Close that (bleeping) fit, Gibril,” Ryan said.
– Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly was called for offsides and proceeded to take another of his “laps” around the field. It took Kelly 1:40 to take approximately three-quarters of a lap at a walk-jog pace.
“That was disappointing because it was third down and it wasn’t even a hard count,” Kiffin said.
Kalimba Edwards was also sent running, and by comparison looked like Usain Bolt.
– Players who Kiffin ruled out for the Arizona game Saturday night were cornerback John Bowie (knee), linebacker Grant Irons (back), wide receiver Arman Shelds (knee) and kickers Shane Lechler (quad) and Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring).
Safety Hiram Eugene (hip) did not practice but Kiffin was not ready to rule him out.
Kiffin said if Saturday were a regular-season game, Lechler probably would not be ready to kick but there was a possibility Janikowski would be ready. The Raiders have their first cutdown Tuesday and may have to keep both Aaron Elling and Glenn Pakulak if Lechler and Janikowski aren’t ready to resume practice or kick against Seattle in the preseason finale.
– With Davis in attendance for the first time at a practice session in Alameda, the session lasted more than two hours, although it was scheduled to be a more brief practice than Tuesday.
“Everything that didn’t go right we repeated, we didn’t let anything go by, (we) really kept ‘em out here for a long time and pushed ‘em through it,” Kiffin said. “It was good to see their reaction to it, and guys worked extremely hard.”
– Thanks to those who participated in the weekly on-line chat. We’ll probably have to adjust the time and later the day of the chat, as noon is running into practice and interview time and Wednesday during the regular season is the busiest day of the week with interview sessions and conference calls with opposing teams.
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August 20th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Hello
August 20th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Die Firsters!
August 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
What are you coaches feeding these guys???? Stop with the fried chicken already.
How bout some stickem?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
What about Nnamdi’s foot?
…………
Walker gave Davis a quick wave, but got nothing in return. (The two talked after practice)…… WTF I hope AL asked for his money back…
August 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Why no metion of Al giving Javon the finger?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
mention
August 20th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
BFD
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Javon should go to prison for stealing from the elderly. Shannahan is just having a hell of a laugh everyday as he reads this column from the tanning bed.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
“Just, catch the damn ball, Javon.”–Al Davis..
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
sounds like we better be running two tight end sets, miller as the tight end madsen in the slot where he can do his damage, he sould be lined up like dallas clark of the colts, we would be deadly like that , it is time we use the talent the players have and quite holding them back
August 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Eddie Royal > Javon Walker
August 20th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Great report, thx Jerry.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Why again did Davis talk Walker out of retiring?
August 20th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Players who Kiffin ruled out for the Arizona game Saturday night were cornerback John Bowie (knee), linebacker Grant Irons (back), wide receiver Arman Shelds (knee) and kickers Shane Lechler (quad) and Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring).
Now, does anybody remember this ridiculous post from BHP?
Blackholepriest Says:
August 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
His father says he’ll play next game. the kid is chomping at the bit. His father and I talked a lot about Davis and the Raiders.
He also said that Tampa was courting Shields as if he was Beyonce’. they were sure he would be there when they picked in the 5th. He meantioned 2 other teams as well but I can’t recall because we talked so long.
We kind of hit it off real cool, going to go to games together. So we’ll see.
August 20th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
re-post from last thread…
I’m thinking (hoping)that alot of the dropped balls are due to the force that JR is putting on the ball….our receivers need to be set up in front of a Juggs machine on full tilt. Get used to a higher velocity ball.
But I’m just an armchair QB
August 20th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
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August 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
KK
Who is the we in that comment?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
oh my bad shields
August 20th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Next time Al should get out of that cart and pick the ball off right in front of Walker and say “that’s how you catch a ball”
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
FIRE LOFTON!
Just Win Baby.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
KK, way to dodge the question loser.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Troll has returned.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
damn russell is looking great…he’s going to carry this offense more than our running backs i feel, especially when push comes to shove and we are down points in need of a quick score
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Somebody call Freddy B and have him bring the jar of stickum
August 20th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
FIRE EVERYBODY!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I’d prefer a dump off pass short of the 1st down than one dropped past the marker.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
408: post # 4 LMAO.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
After watching, everyone drop passes today. Maybe Al, got on the phone, looking for a veteran un-employed, receiver. Who has a proven record of being able to CATCH, the damn ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
post #5 was great as well
August 20th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
408,
Supposedly the “we” is Arman Sheilds father and BlackholePriest. lol.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Maybe J Russell is not that good?
Maybe thoes passes are too hard, and a little to off?????
August 20th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Maybe after watching practice Al realizes he needs to go after Boldin
August 20th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Think people, if JRuss was throwing it too hard the coaches would tell him. Thats not the problem, our receivers suck.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Thank you MR, aka Fire Kiffin, aka Wiz 76, aka Jon Grudens Wife for applying for the position of busboy. We regret to inform you that we have decided to go in a different direction and have hired someone else for the positon.
Sincerely,
Denny’s
August 20th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
All of these guys caught the ball well in college. So what they come to camp and forget????
August 20th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Go get Boldin now !!!!!
He is worth a 1st round pick…….
Get ‘em Al……..
August 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Hey man, easy, the real Wiz is in the house. No I am not a troll, nor a hater, just a life long RAIDER that is a realist.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I have confidence in Curry, we don’t ask to much of him and he in turn doesn’t give us too much. But Carter and Walker scare the crap out of me. It is not inprobable that between those two one will suck and one will be hurt. Al go get some capable WR’s!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
In other news: “Broncos Center Tom Nalen, to have another surgery on his left knee.”
Per,pft.com
August 20th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I hope they have to amputate
August 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Nalen should just get it amputated.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
[Comment From FIRE KIFFIN]
From what you have observed, how is James Lofton intercacting with the players? Is he a “player’s coach”? How would you compare Lofton’s coaching style to Kiffin’s?
jerrymac – Fire Kiffin: Interesting case with Lofton. He looks to be a very good coach. The receivers are getting more instruction than they ever got before, part of it was Freddy B. had self-starters such as Brown and Rice and a head case in Porter. But the thing is, the Raiders receivers have been pretty awful all through camp. So I’ really not sure what to make of his coaching.
Just Win Baby.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I just can’t believe that our receivers are that bad. You have to catch when you get to the NFL level.
The hardest part is not catching the damn ball, it’s running crisp routes and getting open. When the ball touches you hands, you should catch it.
I never played at the NFL level, but I played through JC and a little simi-pro. I wasn’t a superstar, but I could catch the damn ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
You posed a good question FireKiffin….could it be lofton? he is always praised as a great WR coach. I just dont know. I think our receivers just suck (at the least, they do in practice, from what Jerry tells us).
August 20th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Walker and Carter have to start building confidence in Russell, why would he have confidence throwing the ball in tight coverage to one of them when they drop passes in freaking 7 on 7 drills
August 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
This isn’t Lofton’s fault. NFL receivers should already know how to catch the fricken ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Rob Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
“Javon should go to prison for stealing from the elderly. Shannahan is just having a hell of a laugh everyday as he reads this column from the tanning bed.”
Greatest post ever.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
This in in no way a coaches problem when the receivers cannot catch a pass. This team does not have a proven big play receiver. Walker will at best be a no one, at the rate he has been going. I wish AD had just gotten his money back and maybe we could have made a play for boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I’m wondering if their not being challenged enough. are they bored? Feel over worked? What?!
If I was Lofton i’d call up Fred and ask if they make CLEAR stick em, then I’d bathe these guys uniforms in it.
Personally I think their gonna be just fine once the season starts.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Lots of cry babies in here today. Go change your diapers and get a squirt of mommas milk.
Only big boys in here today.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Nalen is one tuff SOB. When this guy hangs up his cleats, the game will have lost a true football player in every sense, Strong, mean, nasty, durable, smart. He is as close as you can get to our own great centers. Robins, mosebar…ect but most of all the best of the BEST Jim Otto!.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hello Mod.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Bull crap Wiz. Don’t compare a donkey to some of the greatest Raiders to wear the Silver and Black.
You moron troll.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
NATION hwat is up???????
Lofton is a great WR coach. Lofton is not the problemhe is not the one with the hands issue…..
August 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Robbins one of our own “great” centers? Dude you are an idiot.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
– Thanks to those who participated in the weekly on-line chat. We’ll probably have to adjust the time and later the day of the chat, as noon is running into practice and interview time and Wednesday during the regular season is the busiest day of the week with interview sessions and conference calls with opposing teams.
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LoL, JerryMac, nobody here has forced you to choose Wednesday.. why not Tuesday in the first place?? thats your laziest day.. Furthermore, not so clever to choose noon either.. most west coasters would I presume has their break around that time… And for us guys from across the sea its not that great if its too late, I’m the only one of the europeans who post here who has a freaky job, so I can sit here all the time =)
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
hhhh!! Are we still droping balls? Maybe we should change our “Just Win Baby” slogan to “JUST CATCH BABY”. YA KNOW?!
August 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Nalen is a donkey and a communist
August 20th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Wiz is a troll idiot.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
No man you are wrong. I hate the Big teeth donkeees Elwroode Shanna a$$ hats as much as anybody. And I hate Tom Nalen as well. I whis he would have gone away long long ago. The facts are the facts, he is not as good as our greats, but who is? No one. But T.N. has to be the runner up. A very distant second to all of our greats.
God why did B. Robins have to go overboard…
August 20th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Maybe we are a bit spoiled as we witnessed two of the greatest receivers of all time in Tim Brown and Jerry Rice dawn the Silver and Black.
Even still , Lofton sucks.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I got a quick question. Based on some of the threads I have read in the past few weeks, do you mean to tell me that whenever the Raiders win a game both MR and Fire Kiffin are disappointed, because it shows MR that Al Davis may know what’s going on, and it shows Fire Kiffin that Kiffin may be a good coach for this team? That’s shameful to call yourselves Raider fans and be disappointed whenever they win. If the Raiders make the playoffs this year, does that mean MR and FK are going to stop being Raider fans?
I can see it now:
Greg Pappa – “And with this victory the Raiders will go to the playoffs!”
MR and Fire Kiffin, screaming at the TV – “NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! This can’t be happening! They were supposed to suck this year! What bad things am I going to say about the Raiders now?”
August 20th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
The true test of how good a coach Lofton is will be the development of the young guys. Veterans are veterans, if 50 million dollars doesn’t motivate Javon than I doubt anything Lofton says will
August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Wiz, whatever dude, try some damage control is post 60. You are still an idiot for even mentioning him even in the same sentance as Raider greats, and for bringing up the name Barret Robbins.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Sorry, but teach someone how to properly catch a pass happen in little league thru freshman ball. You do not have to coach how to catch a ball in the NFL. Sounds like they are getting open, which means Lofton is coaching them just fine.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
VIncent Vega,
What is your background in Pro Football?
Are you able to make a comment on a situation without letting your personal bais get in the way?
Not all of the best players can be RAIDERS, can they?
August 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
WHY?
Why is Lofton a great coach? San Diego with Lofton developed ZERO WR’s. Now in Oakland we have WR’s who may be getting worse the longer he is around.
Performance is key – not how they sound and definately not if they are popular with players. WR’s under Lofton stink.
“Lofton was a great WR as a player” they say. Yeah, Art Shell was a Hall of Fame OT. Need I say more?
We need a WR COACH. Not some old WR.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Wiz,
Vincent Vega is probably 666 Troll. Fk him, don’t bother.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
RaiderNathan..
who the heck is that, some pseudo-nick adapted for moment?
well as for your joke, good stuff =)
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Robins had a problem, as I do. We just kinda do things without thinking too much about the outcome when we are not on our meds. Doesent everybody have some kind of hang up? Robbins was destin to continue our tradition of great RADIER centers.
August 20th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Give it some COW, post # 65 hit it right on. A WR coach is supposed to teach the veterans little nuances and such and the young guys how to play at the NFL level, but not catching the ball. Pitching coaches in baseball don’t teach how to throw the ball forward, they show them little tricks and secrets, grip the ball etc..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Robbins was destined for a casket and football saved his life for a few years
August 20th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
KoolKell,
Your right man, I did it again.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
In 2007 Al let Kiffin control everything but the Defense – the result? Every area improved except Defense which directly cost the team a .500 record.
In 2008, Al tampers with the WR coaching position. The result? So far they have gotten worse while every other area of the offense has improved.
Hmmmm, coincidence?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Post 72. that could be true.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
How do we know Lofton isnt showing them the little tricks? I dont agree with the notion you blame the WR coach for dropped passed, its nott like we are throwing to Lofton.
Also the chargers recievers did play better last yeaqr. How much of that could be attributed to the Wr coach?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
COW..
then go figure, some here even want him to be our HC.. LOL
August 20th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I don’t know much about the cap hit we would’ve taken, but why the hell did Al talk Javon out of retiring? I think we would have enough cap space without Javon to go after Boldin… Javon, retire! … message to Al, stay away of Joe Horn.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I won’t call Lofton a great coach. I can’t even say good. I don’t even have a opinion on whether he is good or bad.
I do know that it is not his fault that our receivers can’t catch the frickin ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Jivin Walker + somebody, for Boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Ah Vegas…refer to iffin’s “coaching” yesterday. Jerry heard Kffin cal out Walker’s improper hand placement right before Walker dropped the ball. That’s coaching. Where was Lofton? Yelling general things like, “Hold onto it!” is not good coaching. Telling Walker where his mechanics need to improve is coaching.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Was it Shells fault Gallery can’t pass block?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Is it Saragausa’s fault Gannon forgot how to pass?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Not me.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
The thread is about WR’s still not catching on.
Route Running, Burst off the Line, Reading defense etc
The problem is catching the ball. Can you teach an NFL player how to catch a ball? Quite frankly that should have been learned at aroung age 4, then progressed with technique changes.
than in my opinion is not Lofton’s fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
COW, Have you ever played football? Were you a WR.
Anyone who has ever played WR would tell you that at this level you should not have to coached on how to catch properly catch a football.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Good point COW, but shouldn’t Walker know where to have his hands placed already? Seems like something that could be taught to the young guys, but a veteran should be on top of these things. But you are right, if Kiffen is teaching technique and Lofton is just shouting words of encouragement, than we have a problem
August 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
UMM Lofton was SD’s WR coach FOR YEARS before they let him go. The WR’s improving last year? No. SD stank when Norv tried to use the WR’s. He gave up and went to all LT and they started winning.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Catching the ball is not what a coach should be teaching at the NFL level. What it boils down to is we do not have a top notch NFl receiving corp. In fact we may not have a college receiving corp.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Vincent Jackson improved for SD last year, but he also had problems with drops.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I watched all of SD games and can sya they were bad becuase of the QB with the noodle for an arm.
Also in the playoffs it was chambers, and jackson that kept them in the game not LT. Lt was a non-factor in the playoffs. It was the WR’s….Gates wasnt even a factor.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Either your pinkies should be touching, or thimb and index finger making a dimond shape. Which one to use depends on where the ball is.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
“thumb”, not thimb
August 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I think the droppsies have also affected the RB’s (at least Fargas), is that on Lofton? On Kiffin? On Russel?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Maybe the WR’s are just behind from being neglected, with the emphasis being on checkdowns?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
McR and Vegas – At this level -
Vince Young throws off his back foot, Higgins doesn’t tuck in the ball, Higgins fields punts inside the 5, Russell HAD poor footwork before coaching, McFadden was taught by Rathman basic ball security, defenses have to practice tackling and so on.
“They should know” is almost an admission that coach stinks and we’re making excuses. NFL players need coaching just like any other level.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
True, McRaider. But what if the ball is off the mark, say 2 feet? Is it then a inproperly ran rout, or a poorly thrown pass, or is it timing?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
So based on your post 96 they need to be coached on how to catch a football? WOW…..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I agree with COW, I have 7 salesmen working for me all with at least 10 on the road, I still have to preach the basics every now and then.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Yeah COW,
You can’t assume because they are Pros that they know everything. I see the Raiders do things everyweek that’s unexplainable.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hell, even Tiger Woods, has a “swing” coach.
You, can always improve your game. Even at the pro level. With the help of good coaching.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Teach your childern well.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
CATCHING A BALL IN A MAIN TASK FOR WR!!!!!!!!!!!
Vince can still throw a ball
McFadden can still hit the holes and run
At this level a WR is coached on to get open, how top full DB’s and to get off the line quickly, how to break on the ball. NOT HOW TO CATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Tom Nalen of the donkeys having knee surgery, maybe hell be back for opener, thats just terrible!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
# McRaider Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
COW, Have you ever played football? Were you a WR.
Anyone who has ever played WR would tell you that at this level you should not have to coached on how to catch properly catch a football.
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Have you ever played “at this level” No? okay, then you don’t know what you are talking about either..
Of course, the fundamentals needs to be there, but to claim that a receiver coach doesn’t correct their hand placement is just plain wrong..
I know its another position but its a good example… remember how Tiki Barbers Coach told him to hold the ball differently than he had done most of his career?? well it reduced his fumbles dramatically…
Of course Assistant coaches as Lofton needs to correct the small stuff, all pro’s fundamental needs to be corrected or better finetuned…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Tiger has a swing coach …
Kobe has a conditioning coach,
Lebron has a shooting coach …
Of course our players need coaching to GET BETTER.
You think Tiger doesn’t know how to hit a golf ball? What’s the point of him having a coach?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Correction
Sorry just a little frustrated
At this level a WR is coached on how to get open, how top fool DB’s and to get off the line quickly. and how to break on the ball. NOT HOW TO CATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
You guys understand what a “checkdown” is right?
I mean, nobody thinks it is a called play to a RB or TE ala the Walsh era 49ers. You know it’s not that right?
See, a check DOWN means the QB FIRST looked up the field for a WR to be open and rather than be sacked, he checks down to a safety valve.
This happens because? Anybody? BEcause THE WR’s AREN’T GETTING OPEN!
See Russell’s quote from yesterday. He talks about how the play call had 2 GO routes (deep passes, bombs) but HE decided to checkdown because nobody was open.
If you don’t like checkdowns don’t blame Kiffin, Russell or anybody but our sad sack WR’s.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I sse ya 909 ..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I have a eating coach.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
# 909raiderlifer Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hell, even Tiger Woods, has a “swing” coach.
You, can always improve your game. Even at the pro level. With the help of good coaching.
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exactly.. But McRaider seems to think Lofton is a route teacher… then he has done bad work with higgins..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
So we are to “assume” that Lofton isnt trying to correct the “small stuff” ? So we need to also assume Lofton knows nothing about coaching and should be fired right? I for one am not buying that. Unless someone that has been at camp tells me that is the case then i will beleive it. Everything else on this board is purely conjecture.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Yea, but, It’s my understanding the coaching has emphasized checkdowns in the first chapters of JaMarcus’s school books.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
NOt how to catch in general, man, c’mon …
How to go from being able to catch 90% of balls to 95% of balls. Or how to move from 95 to 98 %.
We’re not just talking about pitch and catch here. We’re talking about making catches with someone trying to knock you into next week.
You’re trying to make it seem way too easy.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Blaming a coach for a WR not catch passes is dumb as hell. I have never heard is a coach at the NFL level being blame for receivers dropping passes. WOW!!!
So when Randy was here, it was Freddy B’s fault that he was dropping all the passes.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
totally disagrre with post 111, you put the blame on lofton because higgins ran the wrong route? That was all on higgins. He went the wrong way on his route. Mental error, not coaching in my opinion.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Watching the Olympic Track guys, any guess’s on who Al Davis has his eye on?
lol. hhaaaa
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Bolt.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
How many balls in warm ups or with the machine do these guys get thrown at them during PRACTICE?????
August 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Guys, people need good coaching. McR I agree a guy playing pro WR should no how to catch BUT Walker missed Alot of time lasst year. Maybe he could use a coach helping him focus on the fundamentals. Players get sloppy and develop bad habits.
If WR’s are catching then focus on route running. WAIT! A pro WR needs to learn to run an OUT pattern? See we can do the “they should know that” game all night. Until they master a skill the coach should be hammering it non-stop.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
A coach can help you improve your game and as a result maybe a guy catched more balls with someone drapped on him, or he gets open more often and as a result catches more balls.
I get that. But these guys are dropping balls with no one on them. The pass that javon dropped in the last game was not the coaches fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Higgins in new the NFL and maybe he can’t be coached. It is not the WR coach if the guy can’t remember the play and were he should be.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
thec…
you miss my point, my point is that Lofton is a RECEIVERS COACH, not a route coach or something like that, his job is to teach them or correct, finetune their mistakes or show what hte do right and get rid off what is wrong..
I’m saying its Loftons responsibility to do that.. McRaider seems to think his job is to learn tehm which route to run…
And if that was the case Higgins hasn’t learned yet..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
In route running there are a lot of tricks that help get you open. I just think catching a ball should come natural for a guys that has been in the league for 4 or five years.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Of course WR is a position where Al meddles the most. Most of those guys are scholarship players anyway. Most of his track guys are not used to contact. Curry was a QB
August 20th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
McR – Of course it isn’t ALL the position coach’s fault.
BUT
When a UNIT performs well and improves (see Offensive Line / Cable) or a UNIT performs poorly and is not improving (see WR’s / Lofton) you have to look at coaching.
I loved Freddie B as a player but as a coach I thought he was just okay. Outside the uber talented Tim Brown we developed ZERO top notch WR’s under his watch. Kinda speaks for itself.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
LMN,
Higgins probable doesnt know the playbook and plays well enough to know what play was called. So is that the coaches fault? higgins may have an issue with the nomenclature, he went right when he should have went left. I am sure they practiced that play a thousand times and executed it. Now game time, and lights are on Higgins had a mental blue screen of death….
So waht you are suggesting is that its loftons fault?
Sorry could never agree with that.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
After that assz whooping, maybe Jivin needs contact lenses?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I did not say that a wr coach only teach a player how to run a route.
Tricks to make db bite
tricks to get off the line without being jammed
Wr blocking
finding a spot in the spot in the d and sitting
Not running yourself out of play
These are some other things that a WR coach works on.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If Higgins doesn’t know the playbook in his 2nd year, he should be released. Oh I forgot, he’s on scholarship
August 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
post 129, so how come non of that stuff is mentioned in the write up as to what the problems are? The problem is fundamental catch the damn ball.
Maybe are WR’s just need to have the machine throw them 5000 balls each.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Oh McR don’t think for a moment I’m letting any of the WR’s off the hook. Jerry just raised the question of Lofton so I talked about it.
Asomough proved that dedicated player can develop great hands. Morrison too. Where’s that dedication from our WR’s?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Mcraider good points Bro….. I am not buying its the coaches fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
90% of the posts in here are pretty stupid. Have some of you been drinking at work??
August 20th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
How many times have you mentioned the scholarship thing Koolkell?? or you keep forgetting what you just said Old man?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Oh Yeah! Javon Walker!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Coach the recievers haven’t played a down yet. What are you saying??
August 20th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Let’s see how many open looks Miller gets when the rest of the league finds out that our receivers can’t catch.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Repetition is a sign of good marketing.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Hey KoolKell,
Are you for giving something of worth up for Boldin or not?
Don’t think I’ve read your take on it yet.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
If you are talking about my grammer, sorry! I am mutli-talking and really not paying attention to what I am typing. I am also typing with emotion. I love football and I love the WR position.
I agree that the great receivers do work on developing great hands. A good idea would be the machine throwing 1 hour a day.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
So ZMILLER being in his second year is catching everything. Chaz my dark horse to make the team is making catches as a rook. But our mainline guys are dropping balls and we blame the coach?????????
Right….
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Thec..
get off the war path will ya..
pick a fight with another, I don’t say either Higgins is good or bad or that Lofton is good or bad..
All I know is I’m glad Lofton is receivers coach and Freddy B isn’t..
My point was that a coach no matter what level should correct the fundamentals and if he doesn’t, he doesn’t do his job IMO..
and Hand placement is corrected at the top-level as well..
my example was Tiki, after over 6 years in the league he was asked to do all his fundamentals all over and it reduced his fumbles..
August 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Repititon is a good sign of Alzheimers.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
CoW Post 132: Don’t forget T Howard. I believe he spent many, many, hours and days improving his hands.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Remember the fundamental truth..
Teaching and learning is binary, which means to achieve optimal education, both provider and recipient needs to be the best..
- Bad teachers + good students = mediocre result
- Good teachers + bad students = above mediocre result
- Good teachers + good students = optimal result…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN,
Not waring with you BRO…..
You stated your opinion I stated mine. We can agree to disagree Bro… Relax have a cream soda.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Wideouts dropping the ball is not Loftons fault!Running the wrong routes could be traced to coaching,however,at what point does the receiver need to get IT DONE!
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN, we’re talking football. the oblong brown ball. you’re still on soccer. It’s a different game son.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
RaiderMight,
I’d love to give up Walker + something for Boldin. Maybe Walker + draft choices. Maybe even Walker & Fargas.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Who the hell is RaiderPhil? Another of 666 alts?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Thec: The fact that the younger guys are cathing better may be because they are more willing to learn and work on a such a basic skill.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
dumb individuals + dumb posts = dumb sh** on internet
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I’ve posted here a ton of times kool kell. You must have forgot again. You have dementia old geezer?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
At the end of practice, Al Davis was asked how he thought the team performed. His Response: “I think we are leading in the overall medal count”.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
# McRaider Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
If you are talking about my grammer, sorry! I am mutli-talking and really not paying attention to what I am typing. I am also typing with emotion. I love football and I love the WR position.
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well its a hard bargain… why should we pay any attention to what you write, when even yourself don’t??
And typing with emotion?? what does that mean?, are you sitting and crying in front of your keyboard??
thats no excuse for being wrong…
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Loftons not to blame if guys can’t catch the ball. but I’ve been seeing a lot fo dropped passes in games. It’s not just a Raider problem.
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
RaiderPhil
Fine, if you don’t like the conversation why don’t you go watch television?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
# Thec Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
LMN,
Not waring with you BRO…..
You stated your opinion I stated mine. We can agree to disagree Bro… Relax have a cream soda.
__________________________________________
so what is my opinion?
August 20th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Psot 152, So in my opinion that goes back to what COW said about dedication, which has nothing to do with the coach.
Could be that the vets have ate allready and are fat i.e. walker. Young guns that can ball like Chaz are hungry to make the team.
BAD example of dedication:
Walkers dedication to the NATION, instea of rehabing, and working out go to vegas and purchase a A$$ whooping.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
is it just me or is it getting hot in here? Big AL was at pratice to day! So maby that made the guys a lil nervous.. That’s still no excuse for all the dropped balls.. These guys need to do whatever it takes to get their isht together!! Jebus… Its the WR’s fault they developed the droppsies maby it is contagious so hopefully when sombody steps up and startes catching the damb rock it will rub off on the rest of these clowns…. sheeze
August 20th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Okay LMN, You want to go the semantics route? Let me clarify, You said what you said, and i said what i said.
Done keep it moving Bro….
August 20th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I love the conversation old man. You must have forgot again. Don’t forget to take your pills. They help you remember.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I don’t like the idea of someone not doing their job (receivers not catching the ball) and than blaming someone else ( WR coach). There is plenty of blame to spread around, but first and foremost it is the one making the errors.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
“Discipline is a yearly issue with the Raiders, who usually rank near the top in penalties committed.”
Jason Jones
August 20th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Thec..
thanks… because I haven’t said my opinion..
I’ve used the examples to discredit McRaiders idea that a Receivers coach didn’t coach Hand Placement.. Which I find ludicrous..
That said..
I think Lofton will be a good asset but I don’t see him as holding the grail..
JLH, before this season I said we should dump him if it wasn’t for his draftvalue.. after his return to hte endzone I mellowed a bit… still worried about him..
Now THAT is my opinions…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
“Kiffin (thankfully) doesn’t buy into the conspiracies that the NFL is out to get the Raiders.
He believes the Raiders need to develop a mental toughness to prevent penalties.”
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
1 NATION
RAIDER NATION
chill brethren we all want the team to win..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
With the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select: Usain “Lightning” Bolt, the Jamaican Sensation.
Al Davis comments: He is the classic Oakland Raider receiver. He can run really, really fast and his name sounds really, really fast. “Lightning” is much, much, faster sounding than Rocket or Jett.
“He will start off returning kicks and after receivers coach James Lofton teaches him how to run routes and catch a football, he will become our #1 receiver; ahead of Chris McFoy, Jonathon Holland, and Drisan James.”
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Vegas Raider..
I haven’t seen anybody blaming anybody, have you??
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
What it do 408?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
LMN, I stand corrected Bro no prob……
Not waring with you either cause the way I see it all of us are members of the NATION. We love this team to death and want them to succeed.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
LMN: I am blaming the receivers for not catching the ball, other posts are telling me I am wrong for that, thus placing the blame elsewhere
August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Believe it or not, I actually root for the Raiders. I just think it’s way past time for Al Davis to still be doing the GM job.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
# Thec Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
LMN, I stand corrected Bro no prob……
Not waring with you either cause the way I see it all of us are members of the NATION. We love this team to death and want them to succeed.
________________________________________
exactly! the only NATION to be world wide =)
they should trademark that..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas
Reading the heated discussions going on in here! WOW we do have passion! Now if we can just get the team to play with the fire that is in this blog we’d be set!!
Superbowl in 3 or less!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas, I am blaming whoever the ball is thown to. It hits your hands it should be a ctach. Thats what you get paid to do.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Vegas…
yeah but you said the receivers was blaming the WR coach..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
.. I haven’t read anything like that..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
If only his “good friend” Bill Parcells would have taken the GM job.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!!!
hey nation if the new guy does good against the cards will yall get on the new guy wagon? Im so sick of Jano loosing games for us!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
# Raiderbaitor Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
With the first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select: Usain “Lightning” Bolt, the Jamaican Sensation.
“He will start off returning kicks and after receivers coach James Lofton teaches him how to run routes and catch a football, he will become our #1 receiver; ahead of Chris McFoy, Jonathon Holland, and Drisan James.”
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LOL good one =) I never heard about a first overall who returned kicks..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Thec: We are on the same page, better coaching wouldn’t hurt, but catch the damn ball!!
LMN: Didn’t mean the receivers were blaming Lofton, but other posts here were in essence calling Lofton out for our receivers poor showing so far. I am not saying he is a good or bad coach, time will tell, but professional WR dropping passes in 7 on 7 drills is unacceptable and, IMO, either the thrower or the catcher’s fault and that is it
August 20th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
You guys left keep holding it down. We all know there is only 1 true NATION and that is the……….
RAIDER NATION
Late
August 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Vegas..
okay, my bad, because if the receivers did that, they were entitled a whoopass on Uncle Als knee..
on a second thought, his knees can’t handle it, we let Knapp give them a whooping =)
August 20th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Detroit released Taye Biddle. Grab him. Can’t be worse than (insert name of Raider WR here) at catching the ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
I wouldn’t mess with Knapp, dude look fired up after Higgins ran the wrong route the other day vs. Tenn
August 20th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Taye Biddle….hmmmm never heard of him but I’ll take him!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
408: You know the Raiders are 2-0 against the spread this preseason and I am going to be on them again Sat. Only laying 3 points, not a problem the Raiders are the kings of the preseason bet
August 20th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
if we could have given Boldin that Walker money none of this would be happening and can we dump higgins already? dude cant even run a rout
August 20th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
And I’m on board for the Aaron Elling era to begin
August 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Marcus Pollard got cut. We can move him to WR and insist it was his “natural” position all along. “He played WR when he was 8 years old on the street in front of his house and looked like a freak.”
Taye Biddle 3 catches 37 yards last year in just 2 games.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Vegas
though about ur last bet after the loss even posted @ least Vegas won with his 4 points! Good luck my man!! Did you happen to catch the cards chefs game?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
LMN #182
Most fast receivers can also catch a football. Why can’t the Raiders draft one that can do it?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Marcus Pollard can catch
August 20th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Raiders minus 3 at home against the Cards with Wheinart starting? I’m in!
August 20th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
408,
Caught a little of it, chiefs are going to blow this year. I’m out, have to go physically remove my wife from the slots
August 20th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Watching Hawkins play for Tenn last week and knowing we passed – ahhh what if?
How many 4th rd picks did we have before he was taken? Sheilds and Branch?
August 20th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The Raiders drafted Bum Knee Shields with the pick immediately before Hawkins. Although Hawkins played 20 minutes away at Cal, Al Davis “found” Shields playing 3000 miles away for the Richmond (Virginia) Spiders. I think they are an Arena Football League Team.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell,
RE: post 150
I was actually contemplating the Walker + Fargas combo, but don’t know how interested they would be in that deal. Both would come with a big cap hit, while boldin would come with a maller hit to us.
Thanks to the bloated deal that Javon got, kinda makes it hard to trade him without him agreeing to restructure.
I’m affraid that they would probably as us for players such as Nnamdi, Kirk and Fargas.
I would ne willing to part with Fargas and maybe a 2nd and 3rd (we seem to screw up the 3rd pick often anyways) round pick, but nothing more.
Before the preseason WR struggles, I wasn’t too concern with Javon, but now that I hear every other reciever is dropping everything he is even more of a liability.
Freaken mental cases!
I really hope the running game and tight ends can carry the O enough for some of these overpaid kids picks up the slack.
Atleast we know that with us running a lot, it limits the chances of Harris missing a tackle and Russell getting tagged for an injury.
God, I can’t wait for the season to start. This game against the Cards will be nice to see. Time to test the pass D some. It will be nice to see the starters for more than a few series. we know those WRs sure need the pactice. maybe Javon will wake up by playing more than 12 snaps a game.
GOOOOO RAIDERS!!!!!!! I want to drink the kool-aid, but it smells a little funky.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
http://www.asylum.com/2008/08/08/bia-and-branca-feres-make-synchronized-swimming-hot/
clearly the best two athletes available…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
RaiderMight,
I’m not very good at the cap figures and such, but I would think Javon would have to go somehow. I can’t see Al paying him & Boldin.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
al… baby…
next time Javon “Champagne” Walker talks about retiring…
have the papers ready…
August 20th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
RaiderMight..
I said a few days ago..
a 4th, Walker and Fargs = Boldin..
August 20th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I would be for walker,fargas and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for boldin. Just don’t think that anyone will be touching Walker other than us for a long time. His head is not on straight. Al should have just let him walk when he wanted to, and that would have freed up some money.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Fargas+JLH+Shields+McFoy+D.James for Boldin and J.J. Arrington.
Raiders get one really good receiver for 4 really crappy ones.
Arrington hasn’t done much running the ball behind the Cardinal’s crappy O-lines. He will do much better here. He can also return kicks. Had a 76 yard return last week.
August 20th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I’m so tire of scholarship Seabass. His “production” numbers are there, but his biggest misses have been from distances other kickers wouldn’t have made either.
What annoys me is that since he was drafted, coaches have seen him make these long attempts in practice and preseason, so come the regular season, they have the false confidance that he can make them: partly because of his draft hype. “these are the kicks we brought him in to do.”
Well he has a very low percentage of making them, but they keep trusting in him. Ellings can make the simple ones and even 56+ yarder ones (titans game) in practise and preseason. But, I bet you the coaches would be trying a lot less miracle attempts with him.
Sure with Ellings we miss the leg, but he’s shown he can make the higher percentage attempts. For less money.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Yo Raider Might I saw you @ the other blog… I would be into trading Fargas but only for Boldin.. Nobody wants Walker tho
August 20th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Thec Says:
April 27th, 2008 at 9:16 am
So that leaves us with 1 pick. So we are set until FA/cut time. Nice
pickup lavelle hawkins, and justin forsett.
Hell justin forsett could run back kicks.
I took a lot of heat from the “Blog Pros” when i said we should draft Hawkins… Seems like some of you “pros” dont know jack.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
If Boldin forces the issue in AZ, the Cards would need to replace him. I don’t know how they are at RB, but Walker + tempting bait might get it done
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
FL Pete..
oh my, those were shaped by the Gods..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
yup…
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!!
i just likev saying that
August 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
AZ has edgerin james
August 20th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Sup Thec?
r you down with the new guy?
August 20th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I out for good this time….
1 NATION ……Raider NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Thec
Don’t forget they drafted Hightower, and have JJ arington too
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Figures were posted in here yesterday about Jano’s production, indicating he’s above average. Maybe, but I definately don’t trust him in the clutch.
He hits the goalposts more than any kicker I’ve ever seen.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
I agree, the salary for Javon and Boldin couldn’t exist on a team. That’s why I think Javon and Fitzgerald wouldn’t work either.
I think that the decision not to let Javon walk was made by Al not wanting him to go to another team and pull a Randy Moss. If Javon offered the sining bonus back and Al took it, the contract would be voided and he could unretire and go to another team.
If that was mem I would have let him go regardless. even if you try to keep players from teams they still end up there sooner or later. Look at LaMont.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
408, I like what the new guy brings. Not sure if he will stick…. Looks like a good pickup, ish he was here at camp to increase the competition.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Good point LMN, I like JJ Arington…
August 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Gotta go guys
Be good folks
1 NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell..
Jano is JUST above avg, we dumped Joe Nedney who has been far better than Jano in the same period..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Thec..
you gonna love Hightower too, they got their Michael Bush/LenDale White in him.. Only they got him in the 5th round..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Boldin is pushing the issue. From the things that I have read, neither party is willing to budge on contract negotiations or a trade.
Love to make a trade for him to replace Walker, jsut don’t think anyone would be willing to Walker off of our hands.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
I just don’t trust Jano anymore. There is no other player that makes me cringe at the fact that the game depends on them.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
we have a golden opportunity to show Walker to ARI and baiting them for a trade.. we gonna play them next..
we (and our Run-D) gonna get a taste of Tim Hightower too..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice for the teams to meet on Saturday and say. clean trade? Done!
August 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
No doubt, Nedney has been a better kicker in the interim. Al thought he was getting a freak, (he loves freaks) No way he’d admit that mistake.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
The Cardinals might take Walker….plus about 10 million dollars and a 1st round draft pick.
Walkers salary is about 5 million dollars. You don’t think they know he has stunk in practice and games and thought about retiring? They would want a retirement protection clause in the trade agreement.
Better pray that Kiff keeps riding and calling out Walker and that he stinks it up in the next game. Maybe he will be frustrated and embarrassed and will actually retire.
Fargas is the Raiders only real trade bait.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
# RaiderMight Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
I just don’t trust Jano anymore.
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Anymore? I never trusted him, his stats has been just above avg, and the only reason the NATION likes him is because of his long kickoffs and the nauseating propaganda from the Raiders of how good he is, he is maybe close to be statistic leader in Oakland but compared to great kickers he is in fact mediocre..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
And that’s the problem with the organization. Al runs everything, ego wrapped up in things needing a cold eye, no checks and balances.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Yes, anymore. when he came out of college, he had good stats. everyone had hope in him. a few years later I lost any chance of trusting him.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
If I remember right, the year before we drafted Jano, we lost 3-4 games by less than a field goal. I don’t remember who was kicking back then but whoever it was they were awful. Jano was a huge move compared to the other guy.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
2 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes, and 59 seconds left until the Arizona Cardinals visits the Oakland Raiders.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
# KoolKell Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
No doubt, Nedney has been a better kicker in the interim. Al thought he was getting a freak, (he loves freaks) No way he’d admit that mistake.
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Jano had 2/8 season with above 80% avg on FGs
Nedney had 6/7 season with above 80% avg on FGs, he was out entire ‘04 season..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
# ctraidersfan Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
If I remember right, the year before we drafted Jano, we lost 3-4 games by less than a field goal. I don’t remember who was kicking back then but whoever it was they were awful. Jano was a huge move compared to the other guy.
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We had Joe Nedney, and he was kicking a very importan game winning FG that year, we treated him like dirt, wasted a 1st round pick on a guy who never reached Joe Nedneys level..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
just go look at the stats, Joe Nedney has been far superior to Jano, the entire time we had Jano..
Jano sux and he is just above avg..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I remember losing last minute games on missed field goals. Pretty sure that was why we drafted him in the 1st round.
At work and cannot look up the stats
August 20th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Thec–
Raiders could certainly have had Hawkins and probably Forsett also. Davis doesn’t seem to like Cal guys. Asomugha turned out well though.
I’m the one who proposed the Boldin/Arrington trade. Was kind of kidding about the four receivers though.
Actually, all four of those guys together make about a 5th of Walker’s salary and probably have a better chance to succeed than he does.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
CTraiderfan..
yeah, you’re right that was why, and his kickoffs wasn’t long enough to please Al Davis..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Couple things from the post by Jerry.
Why isnt Al Davis in his office working on bringing in more personnel instead of chilling on a golf cart? He should fire himself from that position and bring a true personnel director.
Its a full time job Slacker…
I cant wait for roster cutdowns… it will be very interesting to see who stays.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I never understood why one didn’t let the punter handle the kickoff..
I mean the kickers job is to score points within the posts.. and a punter is a kicker who tries to place the ball in a certain spot, when you have the specialized guy who can that stuff why not use him.. especially when you have a punter who can kick so long..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Wow. Some guy plays one game and makes three kicks (one hitting the upright) and now everybody and their momma wants to dump Seabass.
I’m not his biggest booster but I don’t seem to remember all this negaivity toward him before last week. What a difference one game makes.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Raiderraider–
I SAY: CUT ‘EM ALL. LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!
August 20th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
So LMN, your claiming that you knew that Nedney would outperform Jano when we drafted him? I am sure everyone thought that Jano would be better that Nedney was. No one thought he would develop in to a nice kicker.
My point is not to compare him to a shoulda/woulda situation, but to compare to Ellings and claim his time is done with us.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
RaiderMight..
nah, i didn’t know anything..
but to dumb a guy like nedney and to waste 1st rounder on a Kicker.. and then to keep him when he clearly isn’t what they expected..
THATS FOOLISH
August 20th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I think its time to change my moniker to “Al, Please retire”.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Yes. That was a foolish pick. Didn’t agree thenm don’t agree now.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
cr4p! I just realized that next game is played on saturday, I won’t be following live this time…
August 20th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I will give you updates.
August 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
You gotta admit that it was a nice kick in the game on Friday night, I believe Jano will be there this year. Maybe in the coming year they will sign a legitimate kicker and give Jano some competition.
I doubt it but it would be nice
August 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
RaiderMight..
I learned to live with the pick, but that they didn’t release him when he clearly was outperformed by so many other kickers, then I was even more pissed…
So, no I never liked him, first for his draft pick, and that I liked Nedney… Later for his poor play and that Nedney outperformed him..
then the waste of the pick complete IMO..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/jessica-alba-first-red-ca_n_119547.html
the raiders should hire me to scout …
i do know talent when i see it…
yeeah, baby… i’m just raiderin’
August 20th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
“Jamarcus hands off to McFadden…”
“Jamarcus picks up McFadden and throws him 10 yards…”
“ah, looks like they’re gonna have to measure…”
August 20th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Another one bites the dust:
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“Broncos center Tom Nalen will have another surgery on his left knee this week, calling into question whether he will be ready to play for the start of the season.
Coach Mike Shanahan described the surgery as a “clean-up,” and he said he hopes Nalen can go when the Broncos open the season on Monday night, September 8, at Oakland. But it sounds awfully optimistic to think that a 37-year-old coming off his second knee surgery of the summer will be ready to play in less than three weeks”
profootballtalk.com
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August 20th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
As far as people wanting to trade for boldin, real simple, trade our first round pick for him and throw in drew carter…now as far as the post saying al doesnt like cal guys, check your stats, we had jeremy newberry last year(cal),we have echemenidu(cal)we drafted namdi(cal), we also drafted ryan riddle(cal) a few years back.also langston walker who is now in buffalo and was with us was also from cal…so I tend to disagreewitht he point of al not liking cal players.Al likes athletes and will do his best to draft the best possible, and yes unfortunately we have had a bad luck of the draw in the past, but we are getting better with our picks of russel, miller, and recently mcfadden…
August 20th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
and regarding Elling..
I watched him when he was in MIN and then I liked him too.. thought we would bring him in last year, but no.. CIN did and When I read he had ruined his leg in a TACKLE, I liked him even more..
August 20th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
FL pete..
254.. good one =)
August 20th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
thanx
August 20th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Im a fan of JANO ,and for that matter,WALKER.Its pre-season,relax!Lets throw stones after a few games IF they are not showing up.I believe they WILL do well.Im sure someone will give me heck if they dont! Raiders!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I like the idea of a 1st rounder and Carter for Boldin, the Cards would be pretty crazy to turn it down too, I doubt they will get a better offer. The sad thing is, if we didn’t pay so much for Walker, I bet Al woul already have Boldin in Black.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Raiderbaitor Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Wow. Some guy plays one game and makes three kicks (one hitting the upright) and now everybody and their momma wants to dump Seabass.
…………………
4get that POS
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Could we just step back for a second and examine this Anquan Boldin “trade scenario”?
Many of the people who are suggesting Walker be part of a deal for Boldin are also wanting to get rid of him because he is, to paraphrase, “a head case who can’t catch the ball”.
Can anyone see how ridiculous it sounds to suggest he should be part of a deal for Boldin? Why on earth would anyone think the Cardinals would do something like that? It’s just dumb.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I don’t care how we do it, but we have to find a way to bring in Boldin. I think we would be a lock for the playoffs, probably the division if we got him. We would be a force for years, just imagine how explosive our O would be. But on the other side of that, we can’t forget about Nnamdi, he needs a long term deal too. Too much to do, to little money. If you think about it, it’s all Walker’s fault. lol
August 20th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
dumb = fans here & higgins …perfect match.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
its preseason!? yeah and? Jano sucked most of his career..
A Kicker needs to be in place before reg-season..
August 20th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Is that all you have to contribute to the conversation FANG? you just wanted to say that the fans on this blog are dumb?
ok… no one asked you to be here
August 20th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
FANG..
Are you Brien?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Fang..
how old are you? are you a ‘goth’??
August 20th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I don’t think there will be any trade involving us unless Walker walks away. Too much money tied up with him and his hands of stone.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
CtR..
nah me neither, but what else to talk about? its the best subjects, because its so uncertain..
August 20th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Fang = he who we do not spesk of
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!
I never get tired of saying that!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
speak
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY
August 20th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
La Milicia Negra, You are the one who is wrong and Doesn’t know $hi+. I guess when you can’t satisfy your woman in bed it’s your dads fault for not teaching how to do it right.
The player dropping the damn ball is the player’s fault jackass! I don’t care how you look at it.
Bet you never played a sport either. At least not football.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Is ther any wide receivers here that would blame a coach whenever they dropped a pass? Just wondering.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Post 266,disagree w/you,time will tell. USA
August 20th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
LMN… I have been following American football for almost 50 years now, and I have seen many, many kickers replaced at various points in the season for various reasons. They come, they go. They can be replaced at any time during the year. No reason at all to have a “kicker in place before the regular season starts”.
Kicking is pretty straightforward. It’s not like they have to learn the offense or anything. Snap, spot, kick. Pretty simple.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
McRaider
now your name calling? sheeze some peoples children!
Can’t we all just get a BONG?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
408 a bong with purple grapes up in it?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Hey don’t blame Jano for not be able to kick the ball. That is the special team coach’s fault.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
yup!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
408 or….can we just all get a loan…….from the bank?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Post 274,AGREE
August 20th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
sorry 408, I got a little pissed when I saw La Milicia Negra’s posts.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
This guy! Mcraider whats up bro why are you so angry? If you dont hit the Bong why dont you puff a J?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Mcraider doesn’t know jack shhhhhh…….when a player drops the ball it is Al Davis’ fault!! Dont you know that?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I don’t sound that angry, do I?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
McRaider dont be sorry bro every1 has a rite to an opnion!! Thats why we come here to exchange ideas and points of view… Were good brethren just chill LMN is a good dude as im shur you are also!! Hit the Bong!!
Oh yeah
NEW GUY NEW GUY NEW GUY!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Smoke em if you got em. Try the Purple Urkle, highly recommended. The Cheese is always nice…
August 20th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
I just hate when people make excuses for other by placing the blame on someone else.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Well, I don’t hit the bong, but i do need to down a cold one.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
IMO you sound angry thats why I suggested the BONG
August 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
McRaider Al Davis is the one who misses tackles and throws INTs…..its all his fault
August 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
McRaider….cold one sounds nice…….must run up stairs……vaminos
August 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Brien Says:
Mcraider doesn’t know jack shhhhhh…….when a player drops the ball it is Al Davis’ fault!! Dont you know that?
LMAO!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Dogg Cheese!! MMMMMMMMM Cheese
McRaider I to down the cold one!! See we can always find some common ground!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
I’m with ya, McRaider. I played the wideout too and for someone to say that it’s my coach’s fault that a ball clanked off my hands is just misinformed. A good coach can teach me little things, like how to get off a jam better, run routes a little better, etc., but if I’m playing at that level catching the ball is not something he needs to be coaching.
If I drop a ball it’s because I’m not concentrating, not because I don’t know how.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Brien remember when you said Al Davis is on Scholarship?
I am seriously still laugh when I think about that!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Edward……when you fail to focus on your task in all sports you shall f–k up
August 20th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
McRaider,PASSION is the RAIDERS ,naysayers are DOWNERS,RRAAAAIIIDDDEERRSSS!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
If Al Davis doesn’tstep it up in this week we may have to release him……….gee I hope some other team doesnt pick him up and he comes back to haunt us
August 20th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
edward teach,
That’s what I’m saying.
I have never dropped a ball and said the myself, “Damn why didn’t the coach teach me how to put my hands up?”
August 20th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Edward Teach..
show me where I said that, please..
August 20th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Show you where you said what?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Brien, you must have a bong in one hand and a cold one in another. lol
August 20th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
La Maricone Negra to answer you earlier question……….I’m old enough to drink at a bar with you, old enough to rent a car but not old enough to be president of the USA
August 20th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I wonder if we could get a 1st round pick for AL?
Probably not because he is on Scholarship!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
sup 666
did you post on JJ’s new fix?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Mcraider shhhhhhhhhhh also next to my foot is a tall pitcher of Al Davis kool aid
August 20th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
666 naw he is an older wiley vet we can get a 3rd and a conditional 5th rounder for him…he can go to playoff team and add quality depth
August 20th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Let’s hope you don’t get tested. The al Davis Kool Aid will get you in trouble.
August 20th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
McRaider..
you were the one who said a receivers coach doesn’t teach them to catch the ball.. I agree with you that the fundamentals needs to be there before the arrive to the league, but a coach in NFL still teaches them to catch the ball..
and yeah you sound like have a hissy fit alle the time..
Furthermore you sound very proud of being a former receiver.. nice for you.. doesn’t mean you know whats going on in the NFL.. ..apparently..
August 20th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
ouch
August 20th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
McRaider lets hope not…..I’m black so I got my purple kool aid mized with purple promethazine and a purple blunt on it ways to being sparked
August 20th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Brien..
so that would be 22?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
later NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Yeah 408 It was nice to see you over at JJ’s!
Did you see Jerry’s response when he was asked about adding registration to this page?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Later 408!
August 20th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
old enough to rent a car without paying the extra cash for being under_____
August 20th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Brien is probably 27 or 28
August 20th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
My age is such an issue with you LMN for a pointless motive I bet
August 20th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
yo Brien,what up? How much u give up for the niners YORK?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
666 b-b-b-b-b-bingo
August 20th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Brien..
you got me there, I know you need to be 35 to be prez, I know you need to be 21 in the US to buy alcohol..
So assumed you were just above the limit..
My guess would be 25 then?
August 20th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
25
August 20th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
If you don’t blame coached for drops at the high school and college level, you don’t blame them at the NFL level.
This all started by people making excuses for our recievers droping passes. The last time my coach had the explain hand placement to me, I was a junior in high school in my first year playing organized football.
If my hand placement was wrong after that, there was no coaching, I had the sprint a lap around the track.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree
August 20th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
What up SNB666?
I’m off to watch Monday night’s episode of Weeds y’all.
Have a good night Nation
August 20th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Purple this …
Purple that …
Here we go again!
August 20th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
RaiderDogg..
it was GREAT =)
August 20th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
# Brien Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
My age is such an issue with you LMN for a pointless motive I bet
___________________________________________
No, but apparently it was a tough to answer..
you have a certain way you speak, a certain way of language, the way you behave.. so I asked, so I could compare with others here that I assumed was older..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
McRaider… I agree with you, but what do we know? We just played the position.
And, please, don’t someone say that if I was any good I would have kept playing. I’m 5-9 and my best 40 ever was 4.65. Short and slow. My hand placement was not a problem, though. Mostly due to good coaching. In junior high.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Jhill..
noo don’t talk purple… is it lakers talk??
August 20th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
# edward teach Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
McRaider… I agree with you, but what do we know? We just played the position.
And, please, don’t someone say that if I was any good I would have kept playing. I’m 5-9 and my best 40 ever was 4.65. Short and slow. My hand placement was not a problem, though. Mostly due to good coaching. In junior high.
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So you don’t think receivers coaches of the league never correct the players hand placement??
August 20th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
edward teach,
Short and slow was my problem also, but I could catch a pass.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
sorry… double negative.. hope you get my question..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
That was good LMN … close, but no cigar.
But since you bring it up … Football in September mean were one month away from Bball.
YesSirrr!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
FYI
Brien refereced Purple a few post back …
August 20th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Jhill..
ahh though someone talked basket.. well I didn’t get that purple post Brien did..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
LMN,
Ever been to Amsterdam?
Hint Hint …
August 20th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
So you don’t think receivers coaches of the league never correct the players hand placement??
I think that a player may sometimes regress, but a good reciever would know when his hand placement was off. You should not have to be told by a coach.
Edward, Correct me if I am wrong, but either you catch the ball with your index and thrumb making a diamond shape, or with your pinkies touching. it depends on how the ball is coming at you. You also don’t let the ball touch you body catch it with your hand.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Awww to heck with the dance …
Brien is talking about smoking good No Cal weed.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I wouldn’t say never, LMN. What I would say is that most of these guys catch pretty well or they wouldn’t be in the league to begin with, especially the veterans. It’s usually a concentration issue, or lack of effort.
The interesting thing about our guys is that they have good days and bad days. That leads me to believe it’s more about concentration (fatigue?) than anything.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
wattup brien
August 20th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
McRaider..
yeah I don’t think the way you form your hands to grasp the ball change so much, but more that where the hands and ball meet eachother..
I remember certain situation, when Jerry Porter was Rookie there was a segment where he was told he needed to meet the ball earlier… that he should meet the ball like a basketplayer…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
edward teach Says:
That leads me to believe it’s more about concentration (fatigue?) than anything.
Edward, I completely for got about Fatigue, That plays a very big part in being able to concentrate and catch the ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
McRaider… yeah, I think the fundamentals are the same no matter who’s coaching them. That’s actually the easiest part about learning the position, I think. Route running, learning how to recognize and beat defenses, beating your man individually, blocking… those are in my view harder to learn and master than catching the ball.
Not to mention trying to concentrate when you know you’re going to get drilled.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
La Milicia Negra, I completeley agree with post #344.
Very good point
August 20th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
completely
August 20th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
The interesting thing about our guys is that they have good days and bad days. That leads me to believe it’s more about concentration (fatigue?) than anything.
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Totally agree, so has Kiffin said, both about the receivers and about Jammy..
I’m not talking about Us specifically, I’m talking about receivers coaches…
I agree the fundamentals needs to be tehre and they is of course.. but a coach does these finetunings each day…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
They may also be lacking confidence right now. if you don’t have confidence, you will struggle catch the ball.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
I think the saying “you practice like how you play” has some meaning here. Practice they have good days and bad days. Which also means that some games are going to be good and some bad. At this level they should be all good days, which translates into good game days. I have a hard time expecting them to all of a sudden turn up a notch for games, when they have a hard time doing that for practice.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Whats going down brother?
August 20th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Promethazine Promethazine PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPromethazine
August 20th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
A strange and elusive thing, confidence. You have to catch the ball to have it, and you have to have it to catch the ball.
I’m feeling very zen at the moment.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
we need to remember that the QBs are better in this league so the way the ball hits is harder than most are used to..
I remember, a segment I saw about Donald Driver after his first season, he said he had broken 2 fingers because Brett Favre threw the ball so hard.. he never tried anything like that before..
Then the receivers coach has to teach the new guy to expect the ball comes faster and harder, and that they can’t be too rigid in their shoulders because then the ball bounces out of/off their hands because of the velocity…
there is some adjustment when the arrive to the big leagues.. everything that was automatic before need to be re-learned..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Which is very unusual for a pirate.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Kickin bro,..watching Escape from new york….hey Im goin to arrowhead week 2,..tryin to talk your boy into joining me…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
yawn….NO… really….
yawn….
that’s it
Carry on Nation
August 20th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
# edward teach Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
A strange and elusive thing, confidence. You have to catch the ball to have it, and you have to have it to catch the ball.
I’m feeling very zen at the moment.
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yeah its like a egg or chicken thing…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
edward teach Says:
“Confidence. You have to catch the ball to have it, and you have to have it to catch the ball.”
MAN, Can you have Kiffin post this on each of the reciever’s lockers.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
oooooooh Dave go to Narrowhead in front of those inbreeds of Missouri? Dave is going to spend sunday night in Mayberry LOL
August 20th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Everybody’s except JLH, McRaider. He’s trying to learn the playbook and we don’t want to give him too much too soon.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Jim…….there is a gonna be a movei called “Escape from Oakland” if thiese crazy nuts dont stop this robbery and killing shhhhit around here
August 20th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
JLH= is fine………just watch this season!
August 20th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
La Milicia Negra,
Another good point about technique, but this cannot be corrected over night. So hopfully our wr will get better.
WR do have to adjust to that way another QB throws, ut I would bet that if Chad J, Larry Fitz, or Torry Holt was on this team, They would be catching most of JR balls. Just like Zach Miller is.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
JLH is having a hard time with the play book. Besides the speek of the game, I think the playbook may be tough to handle for a lot of young players.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Speed of the game
August 20th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
McRaider..
well those were my points when I said, I thought you were wrong..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Zach Miller= the man…….T Gonzo is a wimp these days and Gates foot is an issue…..Denver’s tight end?…..end result= Miller about to be the best TE in the division just you watch
August 20th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Past my bedtime, gentlemen. Thanks for the conversation…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
JLH= big play machine will be utilized this season
August 20th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
ya he probably wont go,…hey were looking forward to saturday,..starters supposedly play 3 quarters…big tailgate, as usual,..come by,…unsure if isaac is there,..might be in jail right now…
August 20th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Well this game we wont be seeing alot of Cards fans I believe………they are porlly sunbathing and not paying attention until the regular season starts
August 20th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
back to zach miller
August 20th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
1H 20M to go and I can go home.. the sun rose about an hour ago, so i’m gonna have a nice trip home =)
August 20th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
miller has hands stickier than mines in college when it pertains to young ladies wallets LOL
August 20th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I still think that you are wrong about blaming Lofton who just got here. do you recall how many dropped passes we had last year and the year before that. Also javon Walker is no rookie, he caught bombs from Farve and should b able to catch them from J Russ.
Also we are talking about in game adjustments that most good recievers make. This guys are dropping passes on 7 on 7 drills.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Edward Teach..
good night, sleep tight =)
August 20th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Lane needs to fine those recievers every time they drop the ball… like a kangaroo court.
Tim Brown did it the year we went to the Superbowl and it worked out really well except for Timmy dropping one in the endzone…oh well But these current players need to feel the sting of money being taken from them $1000/per drop to their favorite charity.
Anyone got Lanes phone number?
August 20th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
McRaider..
I ask you again, where have I said that?
August 20th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Mighty Raider: Post 207:
I’ve been raging on Seabass for months on end…does no good. You’ll even get these guys supporting him with all these stats and so forth. It’s wasted effort and useless.
Al will keep him and many fans will support him, but when the game is on the line, AS ALWAYS, and he’ll do it again this year, he’ll miss. He’ll shank it left or shank it right, but he’ll miss. When we’re leading by 13 and there is two minutes in the game, he’ll make it. Why, because the kick didn’t matter.
So besides shanking the ball and missing, he’s also very good at kicking off the rear-view mirrors of cars in parking lots. Usually at 2am in the morning in the parking lot of some bar that he’s left. He’s been there…done that. Ya, Seabass is on scholarship.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Javon Walker if healthy will be a 1000 yard plus WR……just relax people
August 20th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
McRaider..
show me where I blamed Lofton for dropping balls (giggle)
August 20th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
I cant remember a Raider roster with this lousy a wide receiver group…slow,..droppin balls,..whos the go to guy?…walker?…curry?..I guess curry, but hes a 3rd guy on a decent team of receivers.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Seabass is worth keeping around more than sorry ass Grove
August 20th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Not interested,try the other side of the bay!
August 20th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Walker, Curry, Carter, Higgins and Watkins= far better than 2007 WR unit
August 20th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
brien,..seabass sucks,..period,..should have been canned 4 years ago,..if he was a 6th rounder he would have been cut in year one.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
man I hate those athletes who run with their sunglasses on… the look so stupid..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I am not saying that a receiver coach doesn’t point out errors. That is their job. if a player’s hand placement is wrong the coach may point that out, but the player should know that. I still get out there at the ripe age of 36, if I don’t get my head around quick or get my hands up in time, I know even when I get called on it. My buddy would say, “man you gotta get those hands up?” he said, but I already know it.
When Kiff told Lofton his hands were wrong, he should have already knew that.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
#380, RR — Kiff can’t fine guys for drops, it’s not something coaches or teams are allowed to do. The NFLPA would have a cow. What the players do, the players do. If a guy wanted to tell Timmy B. to shove his fines, he’d be perfectly within his rights to…but, he’d be ostracized by his own teammates for not being part of the team-building process.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
This group of WR’s is 100 times better than last years group. BTW, Porter is STILL not practicing with Joke-sonville. Our number three WR last year was Doug Gabriel. You know where Doug Gabriel is right now??? Working a car wash in Hayward. Give me a break Jim. This group is phenomenal compared to that group.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Brien, I’ve been saying that about Miller from the beginning. But the only thing missing is having the Oline do some B+ or above pass blocking and have a WR do some B grade playing, and you can rest assure Miller will not only be the best TE in the division, but very possible the league. I’m going as far as saying that next year, Miller will be in the Pro Bowl for sure. (Unless he makes it this year)
Mr. McDonald, I say you move your livechat to Friday at 5 or Wednesday night…let’s say 7? If that doesn’t interfere with your personal life that is…
McRaider – I like that saying about confidence.
Apparently Ranking can return kicks. Has any one heard of this? Someone get the stats from his college years.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
brien,.. maybe better wide outs then in 07,..but we better lead the entire league in rushing this year,…I think its possible.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
glenn,..i said i cant remember a raider roster with this bad a wide out group,.i dont remember last year,..had an exorcism.
August 20th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
we are keeping seabass jim whatever the case be……….I dont think he sucks……he isnt the reason for team woes
August 20th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
# McRaider Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I am not saying that a receiver coach doesn’t point out errors. That is their job. if a player’s hand placement is wrong the coach may point that out, but the player should know that. I still get out there at the ripe age of 36, if I don’t get my head around quick or get my hands up in time, I know even when I get called on it. My buddy would say, “man you gotta get those hands up?” he said, but I already know it.
When Kiff told Lofton his hands were wrong, he should have already knew that.
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Thank you, that was my point exactly, though I think you meant another name last in your post..
I never said Lofton is to blame, I said I don’t think he holds the grail, nor that he ever will become HC anywhere in the NFL..
I’ve said I’m glad he is here and that Freddy B isn’t WR coach anymore..
August 20th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Oakglenn
Good Point Jackoffville is looking at Joe Horn because of the rash of injured they are having at WR right now including our favorite Jerry Porter.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
i dont think we have to lead in rushing as much as we have to be a top 20 run defense and top 10 in turnovers on defense and top ten in rushing
August 20th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Oakglenn you miss the fun I had last night with the troll!!! She copied my name and still was flustered I had alot of fun
August 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
I think COW was blaming Lofton and you came to his aid. it seemed as though you agreed with him that Lofton could be the reason.
I said that WR coached would not have to coach a player how to catch at the NFL level. I still say that. Yes there are adjust, as there are at all positions, but if a player can’t catch most of the balls thrown to him, he won’t be in the NFL that long.
unless his name is James Jett
August 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Garthraider post 260:
I’ve said this before and I’ll never say it again: last time, just for you. jano/Seabass/whatever, will miss when the game is on the line. Always has and always will.
However, if you put two people, one in each end zone, and when Seabass lines up for a field goal, the guy in the end zone he’s kicking too, only needs to wave a Volka Bottle back and forth…as a guide, so to say…then fat A&s will kick it straight. Volka and rear-view mirrows on cars in parking lots are his favorate targets…always have been, always will be.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Ok then,..hey gotta run brien,..see ya in the lot saturday!
August 20th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
ok jim take care!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
A receivers coach is there to teach every little thing that needs taught. Every coach teaches basic fundamentals, but with his own little techniques thrown in. Route running and attention to detail are just as important as hand-placement and ball-handling. Lofton needs to get better results out of his squad, or his chances of moving up the coaching ladder are going to stall in a hurry.
For all you guys talking about how bad Jano suck$ — try being just a little more objective in your critiques. His FG percentages and total points scored put him in elite Raiders territory, and he will soon break all records for Raiders kickers. Where he has his faults, he also has his strong points.
This is a game of field-position…can you imagine how bad RR’s defense would’ve handled the last few years if Jano’s kick-offs only made it to the 15-20 yard line? With our Special Teams giving up 20-30 yards (or 50!) per return, most offenses would be starting on our side of the 50.
Just like the trade fantasies we share here, suggesting cutting Jano needs to be looked at from all angles, not just his (above-average) FG percentages. Let Elling make a name for himself during this off-season, then let’s all watch him go have a very ordinary career elsewhere (of course, his finest day will come vs the Raiders — it’s the way of the NFL world).
August 20th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
James Lofton will be the biggest acquisition of the season……….he made a mediocure group come together in SD and wil do wonders in Oakland………thanks
August 20th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
McRaider…
never said such a thing, I just laughed that some ‘fans’ here once thought Lofton could be HC for the Raiders… if that ever happened Art Shell would look like a genius..
gotta go, can’t reply on further comments..
see ya
August 20th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Seabass<——-kicks a big time game winning FG to propel Raiders in victory late in the season that leads to AFC West crown
August 20th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3545644
that’s too bad…
not.
See ya soon Norv
August 20th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
So let me clarify, I believe that a coach will teach a player how to make adjustment that would help them catch. I don’t think that the spend a lot of time coaching on the hand placement for player that have been in the league for 5 + years. Great receivers adjust on the fly. We don’t seem to have those type of recievers.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
it a reciever has to “think” about it…
well…
u know
August 20th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Slow your role Raider Nation. You guys sound like you are all frekn panicing. Don’t you see, Kiffen is simply stacking the deck. The open-swallow media is writing as fast as Kif speaks, doing what they routinely do, and that to smear how lousy the Raiders offense is. Don’t you recall last week. Kiffen was spreading the same negative review on Raiders practices. The Titans expected a jalopy to hobble into their stadium and then bend over and say “be gentle please”. So what happened on game day? The Raiders totally dominate the Titans, (save for two morons going out of bounds). That beautiful precision display of offense was a gem to watch. Post game interview, Kiffen is praising the leader of the offense for his perfect performance. So Saturday night after the game, all you doubting Thomas mf’s will be shell shocked by a shock and awe performance by these “underachievers”. Mark these words. You doubters will eat your words!
Go Raiders!
August 20th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Javon Walker has everything a receivers coach wants, including (once) great hands. I still believe he’ll show up soon.
As far as hand-placement — these guys all have their own unique way of catching the ball, and they all need to work continuously to stay in good form and habit. Lots of bad habits come from individual workouts, workouts with college and high school buddies, workouts with strength and conditioning coaches, etc. Training camp is when they’re supposed to come in and do it the right way. The right way = my way or the highway…and Lofton’s way better start getting results like right now.
If Lofton was as valuable to the Chargers as some believe he was, the Chargers would’ve never let him go, and they would’ve probably given him a pay raise to boot.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
The receivers will get better once JaMarcus makes them better. Not only will his play dictate it, but his attitude will also. And anyone who thinks Kiff won’t sit-down Javon for non-performance has another think coming. As soon a JaMarcus makes it clear (through play or verbally) that he has no more faith in any one of his receivers, that receiver will be on a very short leash indeed.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Post 403,let the games play out,I think Jano will get the job done,w/touchbacks as well as field goals! PS, my mom and sister live in Riverside,any Raider bars u suggest? Also,whats wrong /Absolut/smirnoff/STOLI RAIDER NATION
August 20th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
“If Lofton was as valuable to the Chargers as some believe he was, the Chargers would’ve never let him go, and they would’ve probably given him a pay raise -to boot.”
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Rightly stated dude. Lofton hasn’t shown sh!t IMO. He should be turning his group around and making them perform without the headcoach having to do the motivational speaches.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Coach on Wheels
I think you got this one wrong.
“Coach on Wheels Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Ah Vegas…refer to Kiffin’s “coaching” yesterday. Jerry heard Kffin call out Walker’s improper hand placement right before Walker dropped the ball. That’s coaching. Where was Lofton? Yelling general things like, “Hold onto it!” is not good coaching. Telling Walker where his mechanics need to improve is coaching.”
- That´s not what happened at all, here´s what Jerry wrote:
“Walter’s pass was a wobbler and slightly underthrown, but Walker had so much separation it didn’t matter. He put his hands up at an awkward angle, “poor hand placement” as Kiffin might say, and the pass thudded off his hands and to the ground.
- Kiffin didn´t actually say anything, the term “poor hand placement” is one Kiffin used to explain a couple of McFadden´s drops earlier in Camp and Jerry mentioned in reference to Walker.
Here´s where Jerry got the term:
- “(McFadden) He’s had some inaccurate hand placement on some catches, which is a surprise because we didn’t see much of that in the camp before,” Kiffin said.
“Inaccurate hand placement” is Kiffinese for not being ready to catch the ball.
I think it´s worth mentioning bceause it became a topic after your post.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
#414, Sir — You are correct. The sky hasn’t come close to falling yet. Two preseason games are just important scrimmages, not the end of the world.
Relatively speaking, end of the world is 1-4 at the Bye, 2-6 at the mid-point of the year, or 4-12 at the end of it. Any one of those records could be the end of the NFL coaching world for Kiff and some of his coaches.
Right now, our record is the same as the Pats and the World Champion Giants. As a biased realist (ha), I think this team will have a had a successful turnaround to get to 8-8 this year — but it would be a devestating thing to miss the playoffs once again. Right now, playoffs are in sight, and it’s not that far of a reach to say that, considering what our division looks like on paper. Likely? Probably not…but very possible.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
I´m not sure what to make of Lofton yet, but he´s received a lot of praise since he got here, not only from Jerry but also from the other people who covered Camp.
- Jerry called him an “extremely impressive coach” on his team assesment from a couple of weeks ago.
- An example of the precision the coaches staff insists on during camp, wide receivers coach James Lofton urging wide receiver Todd Watkins to run his route just a shade farther.
“I need fifteen-and-a-half,” Lofton said. “I need that extra half-yard.”
- Rookie wide receiver Chaz Schilens was taken to task by receivers coach James Lofton on one pass, when quarterback JaMarcus Russell threw behind Walker, Lofton criticized Walker for being four yards off on his pattern.
- Wide receivers coach James Lofton continued to school his young receivers, hoping to get more consistency, Arman Shields was lectured for catching a pass and leaving the ball where it could be knocked loose by a defender.
“You’ve got no chance with that ball in the inside arm. No chance,” Lofton said.
- On one pass, wide receiver Will Buchanon was criticized by Lofton for giving up too much space on the outside and being forced out of bounds by a defender.
Those are all from Jerry´s Blog, it seems to me that Lofton is far from just a cheerleading type of coach, from those bits he seems to know what he´s doing.
Drew Carter had this to say: “coach James Lofton was very, very influential in why I came here. He’s definitely a great coach and definitely can teach me a lot of things as a receiver.
I feel I’m the type of receiver he was, taller guy, faster guy and I feel he’s helped me out so much already and it’s only been three months”.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
“Riverside Raiders Fan Says:
August 20th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
I’ve said this before and I’ll never say it again: last time, just for you. jano/Seabass/whatever, will miss when the game is on the line. Always has and always will.”
Really?….
Since 2003, when given the chance to kick a game winning/tying Field Goal in the 4th or in OT, Janikowski is 8 for 9.
His only miss was at Denver last year, the “timeout” game where he split the uprights from 52 yards out on his first try at one of the toughest places to play.
Finzel came up with the info.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Marley — I firmly believe Javon’s failings (on the field) are due to his loss of confidence, and I think he’ll get back his mojo. Drew Carter is a vet who can use Lofton’s guidance to reach the next level (where Javon used to reside, at least for a little while). Where Lofton’s success will truly be measured is in the development of the youngsters, and there have been some glimpses of improvemnet in a few of them. But, if his front-line guys don’t step up, bringing in Lofton can’t be considered much of a success. Just like I have faith in Javon, I have faith in Lofton to get it done. At least, that’s what I’m telling meself.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
i think kiffin is losing confidence quickly! i think he knows his WR suck and his D is still not cohesive. We have a bunch of talented parts on d and not one bit of a team.
Offense.. he knows Russell needs margin of error and his receivers not only can’t get his back on margin of error but can’t catch the f’n ball that hits them in the chest!
Special teams: SUCK! We need a KR/PR and maybe even some blocking!
Great running game, though.. until 15 men line up in the box (or atleast will look like 15 men). I hate to sound negative because i love my team but this is frustrating!
August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Damn, the one time I visit the blog this late and everyone´s gone…lol.
August 20th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Oh there´s Hayes and Jim…
August 20th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
And — Jano almost broke the NFL record for longest FG last year, too. Of course, he hit the post. Jano’s hard luck will change as soon as the team’s hard luck changes.
Ahhh, optimism.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
This is better than you-know-what…and you know that’s coming, as it always does.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Jim — Aren’t you in STL?
August 20th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
BOB, as usual you put facts in the way of another stupidarguement. These guy’s KK and COW are just nit-pickers looking for any reason to blame AD it’s such a pathetic exercise.
As usual everyone gets all riled up over nothing. COW is desparate to prove that we have crap for WR’s. And KK makes the dumbest comment of the day saying Davis meddles with WR and that’s the problem.
I wonder what these two would do if we were actual successful and won games with these bums at WR. Probably try convince everyone that they were not the same guy’s.
What a couple grumpy old men.
I’ve said from day one that this passing game would have to develpe ad it will take time. That’s all you’re seeing. The QB and WR’s getting comfortable with each other. Russell’s fast ball is no joke and they’re going to have get used to it. It could take the entire year before it’s prolific. B ut by this time next year we should have one of the most dangerous offenses in the league.
But IT TAKES TIME!! everyone wants everything RIGHT NOW well IT AINT going to happen. This is the most difficult part of any offense to get running smoothly. But once it’s here, it’s here for good.
This is the most Whine and Cry group I’ve ever seen. GIVE IT TIME!!
As for Arman Shields he may be slated for IR as I stated to his father. His father told ME that HE thought he would play this weekend. What was I supposed to do argue with him. I told him that the owner does this with all players he deems are special talents, he simply wont allow an anxious coach to ruin him. So we’ll see what happens.
Thanks for twisting wat I said KK.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Hayes
I don´t particularly like or dislike Lofton and I´m not sure if he can coach or not, I may take a look at his SD tenure to see what he had to work with and how did they do, but all along we´ve heard good stuff on him, specially from Jerry, so I´m willing to wait until the season starts before calling him a failure or a fraud.
I just think today it was Lofton´s turn for the “whine of the day”.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Marley — I won’t give up on Lofton until I’ve got good reason to. Same as anybody on the team. They’re doing the best they can with what they’ve got. If it ain’t good enough, sayonara, and good luck. Otherwise, I’ll go down with the captain and crew if need be.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Lofton had one guy “break out” in SD — that does not a great coach make. But, I really like his hands-on, vocal approach. Results are the only thing that matters to me.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
-So, is Tommy Kelly a lazy turd?? I mean, it seems like he’s on his last breath or something. What the hell??
-Ok, so Al Davis was at practice. Did any reporters ask him about his reaction to Kiffin’s comments??? Do you think Lane asked him to observe so he can finally release some people and bring in more competition???
-I like that Lane is pushing his manager, Al. He’s doing the right thing. I just don’t know if doing it publicly is the right thing, but it DOES hold people accountable. And guess what, he’s the head coach, so he SHOULD have the authority to do so.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Hayes
Well said.
And according to every report Watkins looks great and Schilens is coming on, so that´s a couple of youngsters getting better.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
IT’s the same ol’ crap all the time in here BOB these guy’s will hit the ceiling evertime Jrry farts something negative. They’re as fickle a bunch as you’ll ever want go see.
Every player that makes a mistake or doasn’t develpe to their liking is on SCHOLARSHIP. It’s enough to make you want to puke.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I’ll give the Al haters just a bit of due…he deserves some criticism. But THE man has always done whatever he could to improve the team he rightfully controls. His team, his money, his decisions. Not an issue with me.
Kelly is no sprinter, but his body isn’t made for that. In the middle, dead weight is as valuable as quickness is on the edge. It’s a long season, and guys like Kelly, Sam Adams, Grady, et al, are all cut from the same mold. Kelly doesn’t concern me too much, as long as he’s able to perform in the 4th quarter come Monday the 8th.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Boys, the past hour’s been quiet but cool. Nice sharing thoughts and time with you, but I gotta hit it.
Hold down the fort, and I’ll catch you later!
August 20th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Another thing I happen to think Kiffin himself has ben quite impress with Lofton’s coaching style, unfortunately results have been slow but like I said this is a process for several reasons.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
BHP — There’s no puking in football! Oh wait…there is. Nevermind!
Later
August 20th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
I’m done as well, I just couldn’t believe all whining.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Haze Daze…
I usually agree with many of your point, but you have missed the whole point. Seabass has many points because he’s been kicking for us many years, and it a slam dunk on extra points and field goals under 40 yards. What many of us are saying is that he has LOSS so many freaking games when it counted…he has loss so many opportunities to keep us in a game where we wouldn’t have had to go pass crazy to catch up in the last few minutes of a game. Under pressure the guy sucks, big time. Added to the insult, he has cause us over the years…is the “freaking-fact” that he cost us a number one pick. You would think he could have won a few games for us.
Your stats on him and all the points he scored and the fact that he’s going to be the all time leading scorer…HAS NEVER WON ONE FREAKING GAME, NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL…SEABASS SUCKS UNDER PRESSURE…THAT WHAT WE’RE SAYING…!!!!!
August 20th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
BHP
Take it easy my friend, I like both KK and COW, I think you and those two are as much a part of this blog as anyone. I´m sure they just wanna win, unlike some other people who visit this blog posing as fans.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Riverside
You should read post 420, it was meant for you.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Blacjholepriest,
good evening,
The impression I have of Kid Lane, our blessed coach, is that after reading his “straightshooting” talks about things Raider, he does begin to sound to me as if he is spending a lot of time expounding on team deficiencies. As if he wishes that he had the recruitment power of SC to sign a hundred players of national quality rather than realizing he is in a competitive business requiring that he make the present situation work for the best.
Any comments? I am not around the team so your reflections would be appreciated.
And hey to Marley Esq.,& HazeDaze37
August 20th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
That´s it for me as well, good night.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Perhaps my comment came in too late as everyone seems to be signing off. It’s late here in Missoula but…
August 20th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Night all.
Good morning LMN.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Wednesday has always been Al’s day to attend practice. Until his current health issues, Al always attended defense day on Wednesdays, save when his wife Carol was in a coma and he was by her side. It’s good to see him out there, and I like the touch of his absent reaction to Walker’s wave, only to chat him up following practice, lending his sagacious football sense——not quite the bedded horse’s head but that he better behead the Bronco’s on 9/8. Heads will roll, bells will toll, and the Turk pays a visit soon (and no, I don’t mean Dan).
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
August 20th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Nice post as usual Bob. I stand corrected on the Kiffin actually calling out the hand placement. I agree that Lofton may or may not be a good coach. My entire point (long ignored by the “we’re perfect” crowd) was that I think coaches should be evaluated in terms of results. Lofton’s results so far?
Shocking! Evaluate people based on results? Noooo!
BHP – I have no desire to “prove our WR’s are crap”. First, I don’t have the ability to prove they are crap any more than you can prove they’re any good. I guess it is okay to (again) ignore their actual performance and talk about how good they are but heaven forbid I say, “hmmm maybe they should catch a pass.” Second, I don’t want them to stink. I’m a Raiders fan. Sadly, that hasn’t made me blind/ignorant enough to think dropping passes is a-okay.
Just a question. SO FAR, what have our WR’s “proved” regarding their performance level? What did Walker prove last week at Tenn.
The passing game will take time because Russell is a rookie. It shouldn’t take time because a trio of vets like Walker, Carter and Curry can’t catch.
BHP maybe you can come up with some fact to support the “everything will be fine” arguement? BTW – I didn’t say AD was making them drop passes. Why so defensive?
August 20th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
I suspect that it is too late for Shields to make the active regular season roster. At this point, the Raiders have decided to put him on injured reserve. For that reason it is doubtful he will play during the preseason.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Bob Marley:
You can come us with all your “so-called” stats, but I’ll stick to my memory and those of “the many” that watch all the Raider games together since Seabass was taken as a number one. Sure he’s hit on some key field goals, big freaking deal. He’s paid millions and he’s a number one pick. He suppose to hit many, not some.
But, nevertheless, he has loss more freaking games than he has won. He’s always shanking left or shanking right and there are many people in this blog that know that for a fact. The almost doesn’t count, only the three points.
Enough said…I’ll agree to disagree, let not beat a dead horse into the ground. I just hope, and I hope when all hope is gone, that he makes up for all the “sins and games loss” and that he makes the kicks this year. The law of averages is on his side, big time.
August 21st, 2008 at 12:06 am
All this talk about the wideouts and Lofton have me thinking…. All of our receivers except Watkins, perhaps McFoy, James, Holland, and Higgins are coming off injuries (the type that usually takes two years to get your legs back under you… Tim Brown, Eric Allen, etc.). They play a tad tentative. It’s good to hear that JaMarcus’s passes are bouncing off their hands… he hits their hands. We just have to play through this. AB from the Cards would be great to throw into our corps (and accept the retirement from Javon should he wiff, with an option to return after dealing his… jarring life experiences). I don’t think their bodies are quite back yet, and that is what we have to work with from X to Z. Higgins, pardon me, still plays tentative from fear, which is probably wise, really. Seems to mess with his orientation and judgment on the field… but I like his cartwheel and flip. I’d like to see that against Denver, and not only in the preseason. JaMarcus is not without his sure-handed weapons in Miller and our to be unveiled “rookie” runningbacks, and throw in Madsen for good measure.
We would be a killer team should our wide outs make those chain-moving and deep strike catches. For now, I’m going to enjoy our average running game of 230 plus yards, and its ripple effect on the rest of our team. Bring out the Cards, and work out those kinks between Russell and the wideouts.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
August 21st, 2008 at 12:30 am
I can understand Kiffin’s frustrations about Davis holding onto wasted roster spots.
Here’s a list of players that need to be released…PRONTO:
1. Darrick Brown, CB. This guy REALLY sucks.
2. Grant Irons, LB. Dude, you’re NEVER “Game Ready”.
3. John Bowie, CB. Uh…yeah. Let’s rid ourselves of the last remnant of Randy Moss.
4. The 2 kickers.
5. Sam Williams, LB. I’m sure we’ll keep him forever, just don’t pay him much. He’s OK at against the run, but horrible against the pass.
6. Mario Henderson, OT. Another typical horrible Al Davis project pick. Ya gotta have talent Al!!
7. Tony Stewart, TE. He’ll catch the pass, but NEVER get a single YAC.
8. Adimchinobe Echemandu, RB. Sorry guy, but you had your best chance last year. The added weight (about 5-10lbs) did not help your cause either and slowed you down a bit. Good luck Joe.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:40 am
great article on the silver N black,still need Bolton
August 21st, 2008 at 4:56 am
Our passing game sucks…live with it…listen to BHP. It takes time to develop and we have a rookie QB and fringe WR’s with little experience or some guys who have never been studs and never will be studs.
Jevon Walker is the only one who can make a real difference. Let’s see if he can.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:58 am
Raider Raul 53 > get rid of the 2 kickers???!! A pro bowler and a no. 1 pick ? For who?
What a maroon.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:00 am
RIP Gene Upshaw. You’ll always be a Raider.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:03 am
Gene Upshaw passes away at 63. Talk about a bumber.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/21/report-gene-upshaw-dead-at-63/
August 21st, 2008 at 5:11 am
RIP Gene thanks for your commitment, to the raiders and to the sport..
August 21st, 2008 at 5:12 am
once again… boldin is out there?? …..any takers?? boldin in silver and black!!!!!!!!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 5:12 am
Gene Upshaw,
Highly controversial, left on an island, outcast in his own office, misfit in the league office, envied by peers, took no sh@! and always gave it his all.
TRUE RAIDER,
REST IN PEACE
August 21st, 2008 at 5:13 am
WHO CARES IF WIDEOUTS AINT “CATCHIN THE BALL ” , THEYLL COME AROUND !!!!! WHAT WE GOT NOW IS A SHOT AT HISTORY !! RUNNING THE BALL WE CAN HAVE 2 1000 YARD GUYS FARGAS/BUSH / MCAFDDEN OR ANYONE ELSE KNAPP PUTS BACK THERE !!OAK NEEDS TO KEEP KIFFI AWAY FROM THE PLAYCALLING IN THE RED ZONE THIS YEAR , LOOK @ 07 EVERYTIME HE ‘”" FUMBLED THE BALL IN THIS CATEGORY”
& SURE ENUUF HE ALREADY STARTED THIS YEAR BY RUNNING ONEAL DOWN NEAR GOAL LINE VS TENNY TO “ICE THE GAME ” INSTEAD HE RUNS THE WRONG GUY @ WRONG TIME !!! & WE LOOSE!!! NO MORE TIME OR PATIENCE FOR THIS GUY COSTING US WINS THIS YEAR !! LAST YEAR HE WAS THE REASON WHY WE WENT 0-2 VS LIONS & DENVER !!! 1ST STARTING MCOWN & NOT DANTE ( 12-0 VS LIONS ) VS DETROIT !!& PULLING LAMONT OUT VS DENVER IN OT & PINNING HIS HOPES ON ROAD FOR A WIN WITH A 59 YD FG ??? U KNOW YOU ALL ARE ON HIS SIDE WITH HIS ” I CANT BRING IN ANY NEW PLAYERS ” CRAP !!! WELL LOOK AT HIS TRAK RECORD 07& 08 EVERY MOVE HE MADE HAS & DID NOT WORK !!!!PERIOD !!!!
HE IS A “MENTALLY IMPOTENT” & AL KNOWS IT !!!!
ALL THEY GOTTA DO IN 08 , @ IST SNAP VS DENVER IS “POUND THE BALL ” 25 ATTS IN 1ST HALF !!!& WE WIN !!!IF THIS TEAM JUST SIMPLY RUNS THE BALL 45 TIMES ( WHICH IS A UNUSUAL AMOUNT ) THERE IS NO TEAM THAT STOP THEM !!!!! ” NO ONE “!!!!!!JMARC SHOULD NOT NEED TO HOIST UP THE BALL MORE THEN 17 ATTS GAME !!! WHO CARES ABOUT WIDEOUTS WHEN WE GOT THE BEST RUNNING GAME IN THE NFL !!!!! IN ORDER TO MAKE THE RUN GAME THE DIFFERNCE U ACTUALLY HAVE TO COMMIT TO RUNNING THE BALL!!!! IT IS THAT SIMPLE
WE GOT GALLERY READY FOR THE PROBOWL ( WATCH HIM, HE WILL BLOCK 2-4 GUYS EVERY RUN PLAY) BRING ON DORSEY IF HE CAN PLAY, GALLERY WILL BURY HIM ON THE FIRST TO THE LAST PLAY OF THEIR FIRST GAME YOULL SEE!!
OH PS THE BOX SCORE SHOULD READ 48 ATTS @4.5YDS CARRY FOR OVER 200 YDS EVERY GAME !!!! WHY NOT ???
OH I AM SURE THERE ARE FEW OF U LOOSERS THAT THINK !!” WELL HOW DO U RUN WHEN THE DEF PUTS 8 OR 9 IN
” THE BOX ” !!
WELL DO U REALLY THINK THE D WANTS TO PUT 8 OR 9 IN THERE ???? ANY D WILL USE THAT AS A THREAT OR A PROP !!!! A “REAL D” WILL WANT TO DEFEND THE RUN ON THE WAY TO THE SACKING THE QB !!!!
OK SO WHO CARES ABOUT THE ” PASSING GAME “
August 21st, 2008 at 5:22 am
I’m wearing my #63 jersey today. RIP Upshaw.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:30 am
Hahaha SOULPATROL 2
you and your caps.. pathetic =)
August 21st, 2008 at 5:46 am
.02 worth. Get used to lofton. If Kiff caves and ejects or at the end of the year davis will be poised to make the move he wanted to make after last season. lofton as HC. Talk about dark day’s. I pray not,however the big man upstairs doesn’t seem to listen to raider fans anymore. Although he did put one raider great out of his misery.
RIP Gene. You were a true raider.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:51 am
if Lofton ever becomes a HC, Art Shell would look like a genius compared to…
August 21st, 2008 at 5:52 am
R.I.P. Gene Upshaw.
Thanks for your service to the NFL and for being a Raider.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:54 am
Agreed. 100% al has alway’s had lofton as a reserve HC choice but has not up to now has refrained. When Kiff is gone there will be nobody else that will take the job.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:56 am
And they will be very dark day’s.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:02 am
yup
August 21st, 2008 at 6:03 am
Saying Art Shell will look like a genius compared to anyone is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read in these blogs lmfao.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:06 am
In 1979 I moved to an NFL city for the 1st time & the team there aquired a QB that had the same problem with his receivers dropping the ball. The real problem is he threw it so hard the receivers weren’t used to it because his arm was so strong. The coach made them adjust to the QB because the corners couldn’t reach the WRs on time. This QB was BIG too & could run. He only missed 2 games because he couldn’t be hit hard enough by the lineman.
JaMarcus looks exactly like this type of QB & I hope he develops into a better QB than this one.
I’m talking about John Elway. His receivers couldn’t adjust to him until about 5 games into the season. Reeves wanted a running team but would ALWAYS get behind because of it & tell Elway to just do what he does. This is why Elway holds the record of most comebacks because they were losing in the 4th quarter to teams they should have never been behind to at least half of those comebacks. I look forward to JaMarcus putting Elway to shame in the NFL.
RIP
Gene Upshaw
August 21st, 2008 at 6:07 am
Art shell has at least some experience..
All Lofton is, a WR coach and a former player.. nothing more..
To think he by default will be good HC is ludicrous to me..
August 21st, 2008 at 6:09 am
RaiderTW..
“The real problem is he threw it so hard the receivers weren’t used to it because his arm was so strong.”
I said the exact same thing last night, just about Driver and Favre.. Driver broke his fingers because Favre hit him so hard..
August 21st, 2008 at 6:16 am
Dammit! the 49′er rulings isn’t over yet, they take it to CAS, and try to win it by the desk.. pathetic, why not just admit the best won the race..typically these warmblooded Mediterranean guys, logic isn’t their strong suit.. oh well I’m sure we will win by the desk too, come saturday..
August 21st, 2008 at 6:20 am
JaMarcus because of his arm strength can put the ball in places that only the receiver can get to. But he also has to develop his short game with touch. Jay Schroeder could throw the deep ball with the best of them but threw too hard on the short patterns.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:21 am
If Lofton was so bad of a coach in San Diego why did they do so well? Matt Simon got fired at the same time after making LT a superstar. Turner will regret both moves. Oh I forgot about to mention Martyball versus Shell, but we won’t go there. Marty is the one that landed Lofton btw. Turner lost the big game yet again and had to find someone to take the fall, lucky for the Raiders it was the chokers two best offensive coaches.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:25 am
Look at the short,medium and long game JR developed at LSU. If he had a competent WR corp. there would be no worries. But we have a group of beotches. Period. WAH. my hands hurt. WAH I can’t see the ball.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:27 am
They may not be able to catch Russell’s fast balls yet but they can run block.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:27 am
If you remember the receivers in dolt land where constantly being ridiculed for under achieving. Look at the numbers.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:36 am
sith thingy..
if you think SD is so great then I will advise you to become a SD fan..
Lofton kicked out of SD, the reason he stayed there under Norw was that he was under contract.. not like he is for the raiders, they can kick him out whenever the feel..
Lofton was in SD for 6 season.. just the last 1½-2 seasons their receiver were good.. I don’t think you can credit Lofton that.. definitely not all..
And to say that merits him to be a better HC than Shell is ludicrous.. Shell was one of worst HC the game ever had, but Lofton would take that title and run with it if he ever became a HC..
August 21st, 2008 at 6:37 am
Yeah two recievers with 90+ yards recieving in the playoffs, whens the last time the Raiders did that?
August 21st, 2008 at 6:41 am
hey Copenhagen…YOU’RE the dumbass. The 2 kickers i’m referring to are obviously Elling and that other guy who’s punting for Lechler right now. You’re pretty stupid, dude.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:43 am
I never said anything about Lofton becoming a head coach lol, please no more manipulating to prove your point. When Lofton arrived the Chargers were the doormat, now look at them. You guys are way out there. Go back and watch Lofton’s receivers rip up Oakland week after week over the last few years, no wonder Kiffin snatched him up so quickly. Now the Chargers have a bed and breakfast offensive style receivers coach in Joiner.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:45 am
Turner starts dismantling a 14-2 coaching staff, brilliant!
August 21st, 2008 at 6:45 am
When we had a HC that had an O-line, that had a running game,a QB that had a clue. It’s before 3rd stage dementia kicked in on old al.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:47 am
Have little more faith in our team. Lets wait until AZ game to see what the hell is up. Look on the bright side, at least our receivers are getting open. As far as replacing Kiffin with Lofton, I would think it would be a better move to replace him with Cable or Knapp, and then make the other the OC. At least we would could keep both of them on our team, I still believe those two are the real reason were having any success at all. I myself think Kiffin is a good coach but still is young. Lets remember, this is his first job in the nfl, not to mention,its a head coach job, and hes working for Uncle Al, which is never a easy thing, even under good circumstances.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:48 am
R.I.P. Gene Upshaw
August 21st, 2008 at 6:49 am
An d if you think Kiff hired lofton you really are clueless. How many times did lofton interview for our HC job?
I need say no more. That comment on Kiff hiring lofton has got me pissing I’m laughing so hard.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:50 am
Knapp and Cable will be joining Mora JR. in Seattle next season.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:52 am
I like Kiff. I just wish he had an owner and a GM that had a clue.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:52 am
lol you guys are so funny, Scapegoat Al worshippers. Lofton had one year on his contract when he got fired and Kiffin hired him after the interview.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/01/28/oakland-raiders-coach-lane-kiffin-to-interview-assistant-james-l/
August 21st, 2008 at 6:53 am
# Raider Raul 53 Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 6:41 am
hey Copenhagen…YOU’RE the dumbass. The 2 kickers i’m referring to are obviously Elling and that other guy who’s punting for Lechler right now. You’re pretty stupid, dude.
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well your post wasn’t that obvious.. so try again
August 21st, 2008 at 6:56 am
There is nothing more pathetic then someone that needs the media to do their thinking for them. Welcome to the new world order. You hear they found bigfoot last week?
August 21st, 2008 at 6:56 am
Where are all the Lofton will be HC by the preseason preachers now? Kiffin’s job has never been in question and you guys just keep the media ball rolling.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:57 am
RIP Gene.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:57 am
Sith thingy…
Sith Lord Davis Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 6:43 am
I never said anything about Lofton becoming a head coach lol,
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# Sith Lord Davis Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 6:03 am
Saying Art Shell will look like a genius compared to anyone is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read in these blogs lmfao.
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Well we were talking about Lofton as HC was Idiotic..
Then you came and said your piece about Lofton.. so why join the conversation, without knowing what the conversation was about??
August 21st, 2008 at 6:57 am
Can we just wait until after the first reg. season game to start bashing on how bad our team sucks? Lets just wait and see, with all our first team in they just might surprise some people.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:58 am
R.I.P GENE UPSHAW
August 21st, 2008 at 6:58 am
bldslvrnblk..
post 493.. LOL good one =) your nick is hard to write and remember :/
August 21st, 2008 at 6:58 am
BTW, As morbid,selfish and vindictive as this might sound, I truly wish the news about Upshaw had been about al.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:59 am
I know what it was about and when you brought Art Shell into the conversation it turned ugly for you.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:01 am
Raider Raul …post 452
Read my earlier post 402, 440 and 450 and you’ll see that I don’t have a high value on fat a&s Seabass, but I would keep him this year and bring competition next year or cut him out right if he loses us another game this year.
Shane Lechler is a pro-bowler, get real, you “couldn’t” cut him if you wanted to…he’s one solid rock in our special teams game. He’s awesome.
Mario Henderson needs big time work, but we lack so much depth, we’re forced to keep him and he’s still a project for Cable…give him the benefit of the doubt and keep him through the year and through mini-camp and training camp next year as well. By then, if he’s not playing at a high caliber level, you cut him…but I would bring in much offensive line competition. Not only for him but for Grove, Wade, Paul, etc.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:01 am
davis don’t want to pay out the million dollar door prize dumb azz. Just like the money he owed shannarat when he canned him. When either Kiff has enough or the end of this season when his contract expires,bank on lofton as being the next in line,.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:02 am
sith thingy..
apparently you don’t because that was the beginning of the conversation between bldslvrnblk and me..
Shell is the worst HC the game ever saw, if Lofton became HC he would take that title and run with it..
August 21st, 2008 at 7:03 am
Just remember bleedsilverandblack bldslvrnblk
August 21st, 2008 at 7:04 am
“Shane Lechler is a pro-bowler, get real, you “couldn’t” cut him if you wanted to…he’s one solid rock in our special teams game. He’s awesome.”
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best punter the game has had since Ray Guy, nothing more, nothing less..
August 21st, 2008 at 7:05 am
bldslvrnblk..
yeah okay, but still a vowel would help me a lot, LOL =)
August 21st, 2008 at 7:08 am
If this new punter closes the preseason strong, I say we keep him. I’m running lean on loyalty and the team is low on talant in skill positions. Trade Lechler for Boldin and a pick. We have a younger strong legged punter for less cap and an upgrade at a position in dire need.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:09 am
a e i o u and sometimes y
August 21st, 2008 at 7:12 am
#63 will be missed. One of the all-time great Raiders.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:12 am
Another assumption about Scapegoat Al. He goes on a record spending spree to turn this team around and help Kiffin win, yet he won’t make a small payout to get rid of a coach he doesn’t like? Scapegoat Al worshippers in full force today. Until someone does worse than Art Shell as a Raiders coach in the modern era any new HC is a notch above Shell until proven otherwise, no matter who it is.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:15 am
I think james Lofton should suit up for the game.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:17 am
who and what are you talking about, who doesn’t Al want to fire, because it costs to much?
August 21st, 2008 at 7:20 am
some of your soccer ladies, looks quite good =)
August 21st, 2008 at 7:23 am
You can’t argue with ignorance. I will agree with you in that until a raider HC shows worse then shell he is the worst. However if you excercised the muscle between your ears, with luck it would enable the thought process to envision just how bad it could be with lofto in the position. al would love it. He’d have another subordinate with his nose buried firmly between his arse cheeks.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:24 am
Scroll up and read your fellow Scapegoat Al worshippers to find out.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:26 am
Seattle hired a OL coach this year and feel the guy is one of the best in the league. If Seattle wins their division again, I don’t think Mora is going to pull any assistant coaches in until he shows what he’s worth.
On another Seattle note, if they cut Justin Forsette – RB/PR/KR – the Raiders need to pick this kid up. The kid was electrifying against the Bears. He is currently on the bubble and needs to have good games the next two preseason games. If he doesn’t, he’s cut. That could solve the Raiders return problems very quickly.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:31 am
If Al wanted Lofton he would have hired him long ago. Your pulling your own strings now. Al wants Kiffin unless he starts loosing and I just don’t see that happening. Like I said the starters would have passed all over the Titans if they had played a real game, but the run defense still looks very suspect because the linebackers still have trouble shedding blocks. They will be blizting on running plays if it does not improve, which is not a good thing.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:37 am
well I guess its just really hard to answer a simple question..
I can’t see if you are talking about Kiffin or lofton or somebody else..
I know that Lofton can be fired asap, and it won’t cost much.. Al has never been afraid to fire staff members, but he has always been afraid to let go of players..
Most of the raiders staff are hired as consultants, wich means they can go whenever they want to, and Al can fire them whenever he wants to.. we are about the only franchise who conduct their staff that way..
August 21st, 2008 at 7:39 am
“Until someone does worse than Art Shell as a Raiders coach in the modern era any new HC is a notch above Shell until proven otherwise, no matter who it is.”
that sounds like someone covering his ass.. nice try though =)
August 21st, 2008 at 7:40 am
R.I.P. Gene Upshaw.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:43 am
And he can fire Kiffin anytime he wants. 4 million is a drop in the bucket now with two new investors. But he hasn’t and from the looks of it has overhauled the roster to fit Kiffins needs, even without the desired depth yet.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 am
All the old school owners run the show the same way, Bud Adams can hires and fires at will just like Davis.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 am
Does anyone think we should pull another old vetern receiver like Joe Horn into the mix? We could get him on the cheap and he may be able to school some of the young receivers. Also insurnace not if but when Curry gets hurt.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:45 am
RIP Gene Upshaw. You will be missed.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:51 am
I think the whole Al Davis -vs- Kiffin situation is way out of proportion. I think the media has nothing else to talk about during the preseason so every little thing Kiff says to get his team fired up we look at it as a blow to management. Our team sucked Raider nation for the last three years. Everyone should be talked about including management, coaches and players. Winning takes care of all these issues. The whole NY Giants team from coaches to players were put on the chopping block until the won the superbowl. I can’t wait until the season gets started.I am ready to watch the Raiders make up for some ugly years of football by knocking the Broncos right on their @$$ in the first game of the season. Go Raiders!!!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 7:51 am
Can we trade Walker, Carter and Shields for Boldin? Or Walker and a First round pick?
August 21st, 2008 at 7:53 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
August 21st, 2008 at 7:43 am
And he can fire Kiffin anytime he wants. 4 million is a drop in the bucket now with two new investors. But he hasn’t and from the looks of it has overhauled the roster to fit Kiffins needs, even without the desired depth yet.
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true.. 4m isn’t much when the avg franchise is worth 700M-1000M..
August 21st, 2008 at 7:57 am
RIP #63 – Say hi to Run-Run…
August 21st, 2008 at 8:00 am
R.I.P. Gene Upshaw:
Those of us around to see your awesome play on the left side of the line with Art Shell next to you were really blessed. Probably one of the best left guard, left tackle combinations in the NFL history, and both ended up in the Hall of Fame. Run left behind Upshaw and Shell was always a positive gain, especially in the red-zone when we needed those six-big ones. You’ll be missed Gene Upshaw.
I’m sure that Al Davis will have some parting words regarding your greatness as a player and your numerous contribution as President of the Players Union. Best of
everything to your family in their hours of need.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:05 am
RIP Mean Gene.
Just Win Baby.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 am
Highway 63.
peace.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:10 am
Fellas, c’mon…Jano is about to become the all-time leading FG kicker for the Raiders this season. No matter how much we all complain about Seabass, he’s not going ANYWHERE for a LONG TIME. Lechler is the best NFL punter of all-time…even better stats than Guy. Have some respect for these guys, use your brain before typing, and stop making BAD ASSumtions.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Why is everyone always dogging Art Shell? He was let go before he could finish his plan…He needed to get an influx of talent…
How to do that? Well you start by losing so you get good draft picks…His prize pick??? Jamarcus Russell…Shell had this kid pegged long before anyone else…Pure Genius!
Al is lucky that Shell’s plan panned out; Of course Al will take credit for drafting Russell – Although it was Shell who saw the future…
August 21st, 2008 at 8:19 am
O and I forgot to mention,,,This is why Shell did NOT pick Leinert and of course Al bashed him…I bet Al is not bashing him now!!!
August 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am
Rest in Peace Gene. Thank you for all the great years.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am
oh yeah… that reminds me.. cant remember who used it as an argument, HeyesDAZE or BHP, just when I left last night….
to be all time leading kicker for the raiders, isn’t the same as being a great kicker..
August 21st, 2008 at 8:26 am
New Thread… guys
August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 am
So Shell planned a 2-14 season to get Russell? lmfao
August 21st, 2008 at 8:32 am
I like seabass, and he could kick it a mile, except for a win, he shanks it right. lol I know that was cruel, but hey he does kick 60 yard feild goals in warm ups, lol
August 21st, 2008 at 8:54 am
Damn…
Upshaw died at his number! What an era his play was for us. Rest in peace you old advocate.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
August 21st, 2008 at 8:57 am
Oh boy…. If justin forsett is available he should all ready be in alameda for practice today. I wanted us to pick him up after the draft see above post
This would be a score he can run back kicks pr/kr and play a little). Get this guy into camp now.
August 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am
Joe Horn is looking at MIAMI as a possible team. Al needs to give his agent a call to see if he wants to become a #1 WR and let JRuss throw it to him. After the game Sat, Al needs to sit down with AZ GM to see if he can’t work a deal to trade Fargas and a late round pick from ‘09 for Boldin. Be trading big contracts for proven players. Al should have let Walker go when the window opened up last month. What a mistake!!! I hope the
August 21st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
No receivers who can catch + no line that can block + predictable defense = long year yet again. Can not watch this team until Davis steps down
August 21st, 2008 at 4:21 pm
We do not know what we have. Old die hards like me know we have hope. But, what happens in Sept. will justify or dash such optimistic discussions like, ‘Playoffs, playoffs, what? playoffs…’
Dr. ECO
August 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I just heard about Upshaw. Oh, that is bad news. I saw him play life so many times. He was the real thing. As an off the field person he is football’s Jimmy Carter. He went on to demonstrate greatness as a businessman and family man beyond the number 63.
Dr. ECO
August 21st, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Get rid of walker and go after joe horn. He is available. Dam sure he is 1000 times better then walker. We are in for another embarrassing season. Horrible offense(recievers & o-line). JR will be seeing alot of blue skys on Sundays due to him being on his back most of the time.
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Trade for Boldin!
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