The Kiffin review
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, September 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Some quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing Tuesday on a 41-14 loss to the Denver Broncos before an on-line chat between 3:30 and 4:30 p.m.:
– Tackle-guard Paul McQuistan appears to be out for the season with a knee injury. Left tackle Kwame Harris (knee) was feeling better Tuesday morning and Kiffin wanted to see him on the field Wednesday.
– Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a “cheap shot.”
He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside “make everything a 50-yard run.”
– Kiffin thought part of the Raiders trouble was players “trying to do too much” in an opening week game on national television and said he felt bad for the sellout crowd which was expecting much better.
“That place was electric. I havent been here very long, but it was different than any game I’ve been at before,” Kiffin said.
As a result, players wanted to play “harder and faster” and may not have maintained their composure.
“Unfortunately we didn’t play the way we needed for (the fans) to be involved in the game,” Kiffin said. “We screwed that up.”
– Kiffin said the effort level for the most part was good, but said there were a few instances where problems in that area would be addressed.
– When assessing the defense, Kiffin said he thought assignment and communication errors were a bigger issue than poor tackling. He admitted surprise in the Raiders having so much trouble defending the pass.
“I thought it would be a strength of ours, especially with Brandon Marshall out of the game,” he said.
– Rather than be concerned about young players who were absorbing their first NFL blowout and the affect on their psyche, Kiffin was more worried about the veterans.
“Look at the guys that didn’t play well, they werent young guys, they were veteran guys,” Kiffin said. “Let’s worry about those guys before the young guys.”
– To blitz or not to blitz? It’s pretty clear the Raiders chose the latter against Denver and it was an abysmal failure.
“We had 10 third downs, we had pressure one time,” Kiffin said. “It’s something we’re looking at versus Kansas City this week and hopefully we’ll do more of it.”
– Kiffin exonerated DeAngelo Hall for the second of his consecutive unnecessary roughness penalties.
“I can’t find it,” he said.
– When asked if all the offseason turmoil had affected the Raiders on the field for Week 1, Kiffin said, “If it does I can’t go back and change it. I don’t know how that has to do with the penalties we had, the blown assigments, the missed coverages. I can’t change it. All I can do is take it one day at a time . . . we’ve got to find ways to play better, coach better.”
Have got to give Kiffin points for consistency. He has never once gone the “media fabrication” route and tried to sell the notion that there never were any offseason issues between himself and Al Davis.
– If you’re expecting Kiffin to open things up for quarterback JaMarcus Russell against the Chiefs, guess again.
“I think it’s pretty easy to look at something and say we should have passed more. Why did (Russell) play well? Because we were running, because of play-action, the threat of the run, the formations we used. It’s easy to second-guess it,” Kiffin said. “I don’t have any proof except that the guy played well. If I had the chance to re-do it, I wouldn’t.”
The coached praised Russell’s patience and resolve.
“You see a young quarterback in a game like that and things can get real ugly,” Kiffin said, noting last year’s Jacksonville blowout as an example. “He didnt try win game in one play. He didnt luck into things. He earned what what he got with some new players playing around him. He led last night, and when thing were going bad around him he didn’t let it bother him.”
– If there was a turning point in the blowout, Kiffin thought it came when Russell had his lone turnover, with the ball slipping out of his hands for a fumble which the coach said would have been a touchdown pass to McFadden on a screen pass.
“To go down and score after they scored would have been big,” Kiffin said.
– Kiffin didn’t want to form any concrete opinions based on one game, reasoning a win in Kansas City would dramatically change the landscape. He wanted to see a few games before determining team strengths and weaknesses.
“You see it every week in the NFL, all of a sudden someone is the new AFC or NFC champion one week, and the next they’re the worst team in the league,” Kiffin said.
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
It’s just one game.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
It was just one game a year ago, too. And the year before that. And the one before that. Yep, the one before that, too. You got it, one more before that one.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
With Kiffin, Raiders have a chance! With out Kiffin they dont!!!!!!!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
repost:
Just had a thought….what if Kiffin is throwing games to get fired and Rob Ryan is calling off his defense to get Kiffin fired. Remember the defense was pissed at Kiffin last year due to his constant criticism of them and his lack of scoring with the offense, couple that with the fact that he tried to get rid of their unquestioned leader and you have the makings of a full on mutiny. I think RR wants to be the head coach and i think he beleives Al would give him the job.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I am the only real coahc in here Yanez….Without Kiffin is the only way they get me…
I am the only chance PAL!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
There was no pass rush. They were never really in the game. Another losing season is looming.There were no positives except that eventually the game ended.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Here’s another prediction for you all to swallow…
0-4 at the bye week!
Write that down, take a picture, whatever!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Dick V – That previous post was excellent my man!! Jerry might be gettin worried! On point!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
“IF I had a chance to redo it, I wouldn’t”—LOL…OMG!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
All you guys crying about” It’s going to be a long year.” make me sick.
It’s only ONE game, PU$$IES.
If Al fires NOW, we still have time to turn it around and have a good year.
The sooner…THE BETTER.
Just Win Baby.
Just Win Baby.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
screw you kiffin
September 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Lol, why didn’t I think of that…IT WAS THE CROWDS FAULT THE PLAYERS SUCKED SHEET OUT OF THE BRONCOS’ ASSEZ ALL NIGHT! TOO ELECTRIC! lmfao
We are a joke.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
contrary to popular belief, I do think we can and will win in KC. That is our only hope. They dont have a good qb and we played the run well for the most part. Denver shredded us with their blocking. When you can block the passing game opens up. The offense did well in most cases except for a couple minor things. I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. Denver and ratface took it to us. Their schemes were awesome. Cutler was very accurate. Their rookie is the real deal. It’s only one game. We will struggle in buffalo and SD but not in KC.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
DICK V ..that was a very good write up on the previous blog …good read …now let me see what Jerry has to write.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
All of these “just one games” end up in just “just one seasons” that turn into “just one decades”. The raiders have lost more than “just one fan” they have lost “just one generation of fans”. This is a fact that kiffin could care less about.
Al is trying and giving 100 percent (even if his 100 is a competent GM’s 70) can we all say that KIffin is giving his all??? Can we be sure that Kiffin is in that board room fighting tooth and nail with Al to make this team better and shape it in his own image??? No we can’t. To kiffin this is just a job, to al davis this a family and his legacy. Now ask yourself who do u think is trying harder.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Great AlisGod, pencil us in for 1, maybe two wins! 2-14…commitment to excellence! #1 pick in the draft…again.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Can anyone refute that they saw something that was any different than last year?? Vargas plays hard our standout CB Nnamdi Asomugha (Who will prob opt out of his last year) made some plays…QB looks like all the other qb’s that have started the last years since Gannon. The Denver wideout on a pass play was able to throw the ball out of bounds on a play that fell apart… (BTW It was his first game)the first round draft pick JaMarcus Russell didn’t.
Bright side…There are 32 other teams in the league.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
If you goto Raiders.COM and watch a press conference Lane did last night, he makes a verbal mistake and actually says “we’re 0-6, I mean 0-1″
Remember this post fellas.
P.S.
Don’t let me plant a seed in your head. I wouldn’t want any of you weak minded readers thinking I knew how to hypnotize individuals on the internet….
Only thing is…I DO!
So I stand corrected, not an 0-4 start, make it 0-6! Kiffin has to be correct once in a while, even if it is subconsciously!
Later, I gotta give my dog a bath!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
im going out on a limb and say 3-1 in before the bye week.
RAIDER NATION WILL ARISE!
let the hate begin…….
September 9th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
HOW CAN I ENTER THE CHAT?, I REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHEN KIFFIN ITS FIRED
September 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Stay in Texas dude….you belong with President Bush!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
P.S.
I win even when I lose!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
The good news in all of this is Jamarcus played well. Very well. I think Kiff should have taken the reigns off him earlier, but hey, It’s easy to second guess, right Kiff?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
coach elkins just go bath your wife like you said
September 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Coach, we don’t want the POS – I mean POTUS – back here in Texas.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
“Let the hate begin”
lol good one STR
September 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
“We had 10 third downs, we had pressure one time,” Kiffin said. “It’s something we’re looking at versus Kansas City this week and hopefully we’ll do more of it.”
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You have got to be f*kn kidding me? Get Ryan the f*k outta here. Unf*nbeliavble!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
LOL long year.. What the worse thing is the Bay area has two bad teams all the competitive games We’ll be locked out of unless you can afford NFL channel.. I bet by week 10 that Raiders and Niners won’t be on tv due to ratings..Any takers?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Losing McQuistan is a blow. He showed far more physicality than Harris. We need to find reinforcements – and quickly.
We also need to cut Mario Henderson. If he can’t beat out a mediocre journeyman like Green, he doesn’t deserve to be on the roster. Remember, no scholarships.
Perhaps we could pick up another WR – Marcus Monk just got cut be the Redskins.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
to all the “real” raider fans out there…..keep the faith brothers. remember that faith is not something you can hold, touch, grab or see. faith is something you have to believe in.
it gets worse before it gets better…… the worse is behind us already.
keep the faith and the raider nation will arise.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I buried the wife years ago Texas…no hard feelings…
I was only kidding…
I respect a Raider fan in Texas…need more of em..
My bad!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
The worst part of last night was the fact that it could have been MUCH MUCH worse. Rat took his claws off the gas and started running right up the gut…even then Rob Ryan’s defense could not hold them under 5 yards per carry…unreal.
Our D-line sucks, our LBs suck and our DC sucks…oh, so does our secondary.
We are solid at punter though.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Faith is something you have or you don’t…
Problem is, the guy calling the plays “DON’T”
September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Let me break it down Oakglen, The Broncos just dropped back in prevent D.. In other words the receivers had all that room now to make a few plays ..They played loose coverage cause they were up by 30 by then who cares if JaMarcus pads his stats?!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Dakota, you forgot to mention the Head Coach, otherwise known as the MIRROR on the field…
September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Al is God.
Kiffin is a FRAUD.
If you’re a Kiffin lover you should consider yourself a DISGRACE to Raider Nation.
I only hope you b!tcthes hit the bricks when your boyfriend gets canned.
You make us ALL look bad.
Just Win Baby.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
LMFAO Daktoa!!! That was classic bro!!
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
We are solid at punter though.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
LOOKING is correct!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Lechler is the Man Prob Hall Punter if Punters can get in..
September 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
coach my bad on that comment. i shouldnt have gone there at all. my condolences to you and your family.
you are right about the faith though.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
i dont understand the runs up the gut with lightweight backs like fargas and mcfadden.
and where the hell was bush at???
September 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Where is the link to the online live blog
September 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
~~ REPORTS ON THE WIRE ~~
OL James Marten has been claimed off the waiver wire
James Marten – third-round pick in 2007
Boston College
Height: 6-7 Weight: 315 Age: 24
September 9th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I think Kiffin needs to start sending out some tough messages to his veterans. I would cut Curry – he is regressing, slowing and dropping. He isn’t a game-changer and he doesn’t have a long-term future. We have younger, possibly better options in Schilens, Higgins and Watkins.
Failure will not be tolerated. Cut Curry.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
OH and DeAngelo Hall a FIVE YEAR VET got worked by a Rookie and TWO 15 yard penalties… Clueless off season pickup.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
That quote from Kiffin is proof positive that he doesn’t control that side of the ball. Ryan’s incompetence was mind-numbing. Some of you guys singling out Kiffin have got to get a clue.
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This was another great post I ran across. I would help some of you fire kiffin’s understand that he is not the problem.
# Al Must Go Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
#435 Tell me what happend on the first series did I miss something, didn’t Denver go right down the field through our great defense and score 7-0 before we even got the ball.
Then we get the ball go all the way down to the goaline, have potential TD but don’t get it because the TE is held and no call was made, I guess that was Kiffin’s fault. Then on the swing pass to McFadden in which both Mcfadden and Kiffin said he would have scored I guess it was Kiffins fault that JRuss had the ball slip out of his hand.
Then on Denver’s second series I guess it was Kiffins fault again that Denver when right down the field and D Hall (A Davis FA Signee) committed 2 peronnal fouls, yeah thats kiffins fault too. Score 10-0 then its Kiffins Fault that Curry drops a pass that would result in a long gain, and that JRuss overthrows a wide open receiver deep, yeah that was poor play calling by Kiffin. But wait I guess it was also is fault when Denver went right down the field again and scored to make it 17-0. Yeah I see your point. Kiffin calls the defense, tackles players, calls penalties, drops and over throws passes. I got it.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Anyone have the link to the live chat?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Scottish Raider brought up an excellent point. Can anyone think of a time when Curry hasn’t dropped a big catch? It’s like he grabs and prays he doesn’t drop it every pass..Hands of Stone.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Can Anyone get the link to the live chat?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
When is the pro Al crowd going to show up?
You know, they will say stuff like:
The glass is half full! (no, but Al’s colostomy bag is)
Al Davis has done more for the NFL than any other human being! (except in the last 25 years)
Al Davis found one Gruden, he will find the next! (and then fire him)
Al Davis is the Raiders! (Yeah, well right now the Raiders are a pile of sheet, so I guess that make him one too)
Real Raider Fans love Al Davis (Then real Raider fans love a winner who has turned into a loser)
Did I miss anything?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Kiffin made a bad call to go for it 4th down, but the score was 34-7 and the game was already a nightmare. I was happy he went for it.
I rather him let them hang than to do a move like mike nolan and try minimize the damage which has already been done: an example is nolan choice to go for FG instead of getting shut out a few times. kiffin wants the offense to scores touchdowns, and knows a fg in a meaningless game does absolutely nothing for the team. On that same fram of mind, a first down in that situation builds confidence for a young developing offense. It was a bad move, but i can’t blame him for taking shots the game was over either way. The defense was getting killed and they were supposed to be the strength.
if Kiffin takes the Mike Nolan approach to football, the raiders loose that game 34-6 because both 4th qaurter touchdowns came on 4th down.
Kiffin took the “my bread and butter is Jamarcus approach” and opted to build this kids confidence: mission accomplished in that regard, JR made more plays than not, and he finished with a 111 passer rating, 65% completion percentage, and about 7 yards per pass attempt(respectable) two td’s, and no ints.
Kiffin will take those stats and continue to build with this kid. Jamarcus will be down about the loss, but he will take some confidence from this game.
all you trolls on here can call me overally optimistic, but when you have season tickets and are committed to coming to these games week in and week out: what other choice do you really have?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
MERRIMAN OUT FOR THE YEAR?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 9, 2008, 6:11 p.m. EDT
A league source tells us that Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman is expected to miss the rest of the 2008 season with two torn ligaments in his knee.
We’re not yet reporting this as hard news. But given the identity of the source, we have no reason to doubt it at this point.
Merriman played in the Chargers’ season-opening loss to the Panthers.
Stay tuned for more.
pftalk
September 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Link to live chat?
September 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Live chat link is http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_10418817
September 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
WHAT IS THE LINK TO THE LIVE CHAT?????????
September 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Yeah, things could have turned really bad last night, JaMarcus could have lost control and throwed some interceptions which is usually the case in games like that.
To his credit, he stayed very calmed and didn’t make mistakes wich could have destroyed his confidence.
For now, I will try to forget this last game and pray for things to be better in KC (not necesseraly a win but at least a will to win).
September 9th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Looking Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Scottish Raider brought up an excellent point. Can anyone think of a time when Curry hasn’t dropped a big catch? It’s like he grabs and prays he doesn’t drop it every pass..Hands of Stone.
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Sheet, I said Curry was JUNK weeks ago, and BHP and everyone jumped my azz, lol. Guess what…Curry IS JUNK.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Chat link:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_10418817
September 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Terripan,
don’t pay that clown no mind. everyone knows Kiffin is not in control of this team. He is responsible for Jamarcus russell’s develpment: a task that is proving to be much easier than actually coaching for such a dysfunctional franchise.
Al is doing Lane a solid by stripping his authority to a point that all he can control is the development of the QB. Worst case scenario will lead to a successful career fro Kiffin in developing young QB’s.
To blame Kiffin for the debacle last night at the Coliseum is showing you are clueless.
all Kiffin can do is develop the QB: thats it because that is Al wants him to do. He can’t coach the team with Ryan claiming he is the head coach of the defense, and Kiffin limited to just pointing out problems.
Maybe Kiffin will have to bench a few players on that side of the ball if the problems persists: specifically Dangelo Hall and those safeties. I am ready to embrace rashard Baker and tyvon Branch at this point: at least we can say they are young.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Sanji lets see
Cutler Yards per attempt 12.5
Russell 6.9
Oak 3rd down %16.7
And His stats were padded by Soft coverage in the second half.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
STR
I’m tryin to keep the faith….I wasn’t around for the glory years. I started loving the raiders in the abyssmal years. If not for that short time that Gruden was here, i have no good seasons to look at.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Speaking of Branch. I really want to see him at KR, but that cast hasn’t come off yet.
Rob Ryan gave his players no shot – NONE – That says it all to me for a coach to allow that sht to transpire. Good coaches put their players in position to make plays. The defense was nothing more than a bunch of sitting ducks waiting to get shot!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
answer to Post #46……
YES IT IS KID KIF’s fault…
He’s the Head Coach…He’s the one that MANAGES the Practice and Game
He’s the one that prefers to chew players out in the MEDIA instead of taking control on the field
He’s No Gruden
He doesn’t listen to the wealth of Experience Available to him
He was NOT qualified for this job, but was GIVEN the chance because he was a communicator and knew talent
AND he screwed that up, just TOOK the $$ and has done nothing with his OPPORTUNITY
PUT UP OR SHUT UP COACH K!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
i feel you brother
September 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Our D-Line got no pressure all night and our secondary could not cover. Let’s see I think we may have a problem if both of those areas are in the toilet.
PS On all the camera shots of Al He looked like he had one foot in his grave. Suffice to say he did not look good.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Why is everyone trying to blame one person. “It’s Al’s fault”. or Kiffins, or Ryans.
The whole team is at fault. Every player, every coach, everyone in the front office and yes even Al.
We need to fix this, because I left the stadium disgraced.
I don’t give a Sh!T who’s fault it is. We need to fix it by Sunday!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Lets talk about draft…
I think Al definitely has to trade that overall Nº1 pick… should be able to get a top receiver, O.T., and strong LB.
Coach Lofton will take us to high levels…
Lets hope we can fill a need this time instead of a luxury…
Go Raiders!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Kiff looked depressed during his conference. Hopefully he doesn’t carry that over to the team. They have to forget about that game fast.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
That whole game looked like a step back from last year. The defense looked absolutely horrible. Maybe Kiffin should have been aloud to fire Ryan. If the defense doesn’t improve a hell of alot then Ryan should just quit. If he doesn’t he should be arrested for stealing what ever the raiders are paying him. That was just bull crap. and losing that way to the fricken Broncos of all teams. They should just be ashamed. I know I’m ashamed.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I had enough of Curry already. I was never too judgmental of him but after last night ….those drops he had totally took the wind out of the sails and killed this team.
Its like what JRich was saying after the game on radio …there will be a few plays a game that you must make and you don’t know when they will happen but you must make them. Curry failed us BIG TIME.
Those were big plays. Big plays! And to see him catch the TD was like whatever, too little too late. Fans were just looking at him like WTF. And he’s cradling the ball like he’s worried he’s going to drop it.
I’m already liking the lineup of Walker, Lelie better. Sht put Schilens in there a bit more. Curry just killed me. I want this team to move past him.
September 9th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
their biggest problem as we all knew, they have no wide receivers worth worrying about! i would offer next years #1 pick (which will be early) and Fargas to the Cards for Boldin! straight up, no ifs, ands or buts about it! they cant stretch the field because of lack of speed, and they cant catch up to the deep ball Russell throws, nonetheless the ones right to them! go get a receiver Al!!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
So sapp was right when he said ” i know the system, they are in trouble”….
September 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
The worst part of Last nights “game” Was it was The First game After Gene Upshaw’s death.
A total embarrassment to the franchise.
Doesn’t Daunte Culpepper look good now.. knows the offense…
September 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Yeah I see your point.Kiffin calls the defense, tackles players, calls penalties, drops and over throws passes. I got it.
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No. Kiffin calls the offense, puts together the game plan, runs the pratices, and is responsible for preparing his team. He said that players were trying to do too much, that falls directly on his shoulders for not calming down a young team. You act as if RR is missing the tackles and not holding the point of attack. Both coaches are equally responsible for this debacle.
The defense was as ill prepared as the offense and couldnt get pressure or hold the point of attack. He tried nothing and ran out of ideas. Nothing on defense was good, Hall got worked like a part time job by Royal and when we put Aso over there he got burnt as well.
At half time we had no points, and even with denver in nickel and dime prevents, we only put up 14. If RR had held them scoreless in the 2nd half in all liklihood we still lose….thats on kiffin.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR..THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN..Win,Lose or Tie Raiders Til I die!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Kiffin has been here for one losing season so far. RR has been here for 5. his schemes are a joke
September 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I have faith Al will retire
Ryan will be fired
September 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
we should of scored right back on our first possession. but the holding no call on Miller and then the rookie mistake. the offensse looked servicable the D looked rediculous
September 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
FIRE ROB RYAN 2 YEARS AGO.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
the D scheme is a joke…..
September 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Fire are O-Line Fire Curry he cant catch
September 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
For a rookie QB, Russell did great I thought. If we had not been placed in a poor situation by our defense in having to play catch-up all game long, I think Russell would have had a great game after establishing the run.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
The offensive running game looked damn near dominant – as it should. The passing attack was suspect w/ new WRs and a virtual rookie QB – as expected.
But what was unexpected – maybe foolishly so given Ryan’s history – was the doughnut the defense put up last night. They looked like the Shell/Walsh 2006 offense redux. It was that bad.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Last night was a joke and someone needs to be held responsible for that poor excuse that we call a team out there.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Al: I don’t care if Kiff stays or goes. I don’t care if DeHall plays corner, nickel or dime, I dont care if Curry starts, sits or leaves. But please, fire Ryan, give me some hope! Just do that and give us a chance!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
We looked like a bunch of guys playing pick up on D
Hey ryan F@CK you
September 9th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Dakota…
“Who was that scary looking chick standing behind Al in his box last night?”
LO effin L… I haven’t laughed all day, until I saw that come up on the screen over on Jerry’s chat.
And, then his computer takes a dump…to funny.
Thanks..
September 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Al Davis is meddling way to much with this team. AGAIN!
I cant stand to see that this team played so poorly! How do play that poor? It looked like Week 1 2006 all over again. IT was PATHETIC!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I love the NATION, I will be a member if we go 0-20 but RYAN needs to go f2ck him he is a b!tch no balls to blitz….. F@CKin punk
September 9th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
no…really…who was that…I really want to know..
September 9th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
The defense really let me down last night and I cant really blame Ryan I think Al Davis called all those shots last night!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
why after royal had 4 catches and a touchdown on the opening drive didn’t Ryan put Aso on him for the rest of the night? next time hall says that it’s a toss up who is better between him and aso i may die laughing
September 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Ryan is garbage. I bet if we had the AFC pro bowl D last nite we still wouldn’t have stopped em. When it comes to RR leading our D, I like to think of a quote that Bobby Knight once used on one of his players and goes, “Son you couldn’t lead a whore to bed.”
September 9th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
what happen to the mantra
“the qb should go down, and go down hard”
Guess it doesnt apply to us…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Hall got OWNED by a rookie reciever not once not twice but ALL NIGHT! Fabian would have done better and has! No Press coverage ond that side of the field! NO Pressure from our D-line! Worst thing was watching the half time show and hearing Tom Jackson just laugh! It’s emberrassing!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I was there last night and what a crock of shiet!
HALL was out played by a rookie all night, Bad defensive coaching, and our O line sucked.
We are lucky we stil have JRuss alive.
Donkos out schemed us on offense and defense.
I blame Al davis for last nights debacle. He has the iron fist over this team and until he lets the grip go things wont change.
Raiders! I love you man! Keep the chins up!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
The defensive line was, as usual, getting blown off the ball. The corners and safeties had no communication as to who was in deep coverage. Add both those together and throw in a huge dose of coach who was completely confused and 41 points appear.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Maybe the Glare from Cutler’s clean uni blinded the pass rush?
September 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Any chance Ryan takes Kiffs advice on blitzing?“It’s something we’re looking at versus Kansas City this week and hopefully we’ll do more of it.”?… Na, Ryan’s gonna rush 1 or 2 (preferrably Turd Sands) on those 3rd and 4’s…jeesh what a piece of crap!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Sht we damn near do have a pro bowl defense. Dude, there A LOT of talent on that side of the ball. A LOT. So what does that tell ya?
The defense put the offense in such a bad situation the game plan had to be scrapped in 2Q. It was unreal to witness.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Northphillyraider:
Aso got worked when we put him on Royal too…watch the game. Aso doesnt have great quickness, thats something that he admitted to himself.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
<Putting gear in storage til the blight on “commitment to excellence” changes.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Rob Ryan must go down and he most go down hard!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
41 points appear…..nice funny as all hell…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Ok… the best WR on the field last night was Schilings … I saw Loften more than once… “teach” him on the side as he went in… he was excited..interested…and willing… he did what he was supposed to do…. I’m a big Curry fan …but he flat out sucked last night… long gone are the days when he made the wicked one hand catch against Denver in the snow… he can’t be a Captain if he wont lead by example…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
El Dirty, yeah i wanted to reach into the TV on jackson…..he is a fat coackroach I cant stand him , hate his little snickering at half time, he could barely contain himself, Fat F@CK
September 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Curry?!! J-Mac threw that second one 3 feet past him. If Curry had caught the one in the end zone it would have been a great catch of a sloppy pass.J-Mac has been here long enough to have it together by now. Do the names Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan mean anything? True rookies starting their 1st season openers and getting the job done. How long is J-mac gonna get a pass? No scholarships,remember?
September 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Who the hell played at LT after Harris got hurt? anybody?
September 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
we all must admit that Kid Royal…is better than expected…and we wish we had him on our team… … but I think if Hall was in tight… as opposed to laying off… he’d (probably???) have been in better positions to make plays… hopefully he’s as pissed as we are…and plays much better in KC
September 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I feel ur pain Terrapin, I have always been told by non-raider fans that we have a lot of talent but we just cannot put it together.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
what coach in there right mind would want to coach this team…. we need a real DCO. ryan is garbage
September 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Ss… Curry’s known to make those catches… we’re used to him making those catches… I wont put it all on him … it’d had been nice if every thing were perfect…yet… it /we’re not
September 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Im still pissed my boss let me leave at 2:00
Im already on my 5th beer and its all bad! Fuk RR he needs to go and as much as I love AL if he was here right now Id kick him in the A$$ as hard as I could!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
yeah he probably had shot on the endzone catch, but that one down the middle is on J-mac. I’m still on board w/ Jamarcus but the time is now to prove the hype.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
408, post 114 is priceless……
somebody needs to beat the Sh!t out of rob ryan
September 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Schillens was definitely the best receiver in a raiders uni last night. Bring on Koren, Monk, and Adarius, we need serious help at WR.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Whassup smellas??
Ah yes, the Chiefs are going down!
Go Raiders!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
No pass rush, soft defense, D-Line getting blown aside by Denver’s O-Line. Horror!! And inexcusable!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Let’s spread the blame around, the whole team was lousy last night. Let’s get over it and go take it out on the chefs. Go Raiders!!! I’m still in, for better or for worse.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Adarius would be cool, monk is nice. While we are at it lets bring in woodson the QB, and applewhite LB from SD….
September 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
We had better win on Sunday.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Thec
I felt the same way, I wanted to put hands on him soooo bad!
Tonio
Our Defense is PRESS! Royal is fast but there is no way we should have made him look that good! Hall needed to hit him off the line, slow his routes, get him frustrated! Hall did none of those things! He made a fast QB look like T.O. out there there aaaaaaarrgh!
God I live in San Diego! The crap I have had to hear today and last ngiht is unreal! What can I say back NOTHING! We looked like a popwarner team out there!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Has anyone heard of blitzing on defense??? Rob Ryan..are you kidding me??? Was what we saw a “scheme”? You actually planned this? He is the one that should go…not Kiffin. THey looked so bad on defense, I think DeLaSalle could have beaten them. I have been a Raiders fan for 42 years…that was the most embarrassing defensive display I have ever seen.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Speaking of Warren Sapp, his off season comments concerning the Raiders were interesting..this IS coming from a player who was liked by Al (this didn’t come from Jerry Porter, or from Mike Lombardi)
“Stuff happens in that organization that shouldn’t happen in professional sports.”
We’ve had several dozen different players come and go, and are now on our fourth coach in the last 5+ seasons, but throughout it all, there has been only one constant…AND MIKE DITKA CALLED HIM OUT LAST NIGHT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION FOR THE ENTIRE NFL WORLD TO HEAR.
Too bad we couldn’t ever get a tough SOB like Ditka to come here.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
15 – 1 WILL STILL BE A RESPECTABLE RECORD, NO-ONE THOUGHT WE WOULD GO UNDEFEATED!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
WE WILL WIN IN KC!!!!They might actually suck worse than us right now.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Atta boy PA!!
Let’s smash these guys on Sunday!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
we would never get a ditka because he would tell al where to pack it!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
El dirty, I hate the dis-chargers so i will be pulling for the donkeys in that one. I have had to put up with a lot of crap from these fans.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
NO ONE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD LOOK WORSE THAN WE DID IN 2006 EITHER!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Without a doubt, the offense looked tight after they looked good the first couple of series. You cannot expect the best backfield in football to do much if your primary blockers are being pushed around all night.
That said, I agree with Captnsal. Ryan allowed the defense to be embarrassed by obviously not preparing them well and then allowing them to basically quit in the beginning of the fourth quarter. I cannot recall EVER seeing a NFL defense be pushed backwards, but I did last night.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I hated seeing and hearing Tom Jackson at halftime too, but really–COULD YOU BLAME HIM? Crap, there were times during the game I was doing it myself…all of this hype, this talent, the money spent…and for what?
September 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Thec
my boss is a Donkey fan ugghhh!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
OK, I was at the Seattle game in ‘06 and we were no where near as bad as that night.
Let’s bury it and move on to THIS Sunday. Jamarcus is gonna clown those fools!
Go Raiders!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Love Woodson would be a great bacxkup and trade bait later on.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
El dirty, YOu have my sympathy BRO….FUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK
September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I do not scroll up and read others posts in here because the truth is that you are clearly a bunch of know-nothings and only piss and moan in a blog due to no life in the real world,..but as you all know I go to every game and I keep it real,..the way I see it and I se it correctly, is there is a real chance of going winless in 2008,..I have looked at the schedule,..where will the wins be?..against who?…Atlanta?…maybe,..Carolina?..nope,…Houston, nope they come here consistantly and beat Oakland,…there will be no road wins this year,…I see a real chance at a winless season,..but I will be at every game,..dont hate, just keepin it real.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Sup Thec 408 El Dirty everyone.
Everything looked bad last night, the owner, the coaches the players. Kiffin said the fans were great and deserved better.
That dropped pass and that fumble cost us huge. Special teams didn’t do to bad that’s about all the positive things I can find about last night, that and my girlfriend was on tv because she was behind Al Davis in his box when he had his drool rag on his lap.
If we beat KC we can be 1-1
September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Merriman’s Season Over
Shawne Merriman played San Diego’s season opener with two torn ligaments in his left knee. He won’t play again this season, as the Chargers will place Merriman on injured reserve so he can undergo total reconstructive surgery
September 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
We will be lucky if Kiffin wants to be here past this year. Have all you forgotten what the rat has done to us or how about what Chucky did to us, wait even Norv has had his way. Can’t wait for Art Shell to come back just to be thrown under the bus one more time.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
S&B666, what up BRO????????
September 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Yes Thanks for pointing that out. The defense quit man and it was obvious. They quit. That’s when all the bad tackling began and Denver began ripping huge yardage. They quit on Ryan and they quit on the team. The offense kept going at it; but it was futile.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Last year when I called for Kiffin to get fired, I got all kind of hate responses. I called it from the Jacksonville game that if he stayed the Raiders would win the same amount of games this year as they did last year. One Herm Edwards lousy choice to go for it on 4th down and one good field goal kick away from 2-14.
Shananhan has the SAME bad team from last year, added a rookie wide-reciever and looked awesome last night. The Raiders added a Stud running back and a decent corner and got WORKED. How is that NOT coaching???????
September 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Christ, last night really felt like 2006 all over again…we were THAT F*CKING BAD. This club better have stronger character than that club, because if they don’t, then Kiff won’t even last the season, and we’ll be staring at another 2-5 win season.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
If the D continues to sit back and not blitz..The Radiers will be Bltitz on the scoreboard week to week…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
666
sup bro this is some bullisht!
Dirty your boss is a homo!
Thec I feel your pain!
Nation the chefs are going down
Go RAIDERS!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
How long is Kiffin’s contract..I seem to remember it being a 4 year pact but I don’t know who has the options, the team or him.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
WITH NO FRONT RUNNER IN THE AFC, WE HAVE TIME TO STUMBLE, GET BACK UP, GAIN SOME EXPERIENCE, WIN SOME GAMES, TRIP AGAIN, GET BACK UP, PUT A WIN STREAK TOGETHER, MAKE THE PLAYOFFS………ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN, ITS 1 GAME WE’RE YOUNG, TALENTED, AND CAPABLE OF EXPLODING ANYTIME…….THEN LOOOOOKOUTTTTTTT
September 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Jim Lofton,
I have been a Raiders fan zince 1971 and have NEVER been to a game.
Al Davis, who built this team, is now destroying it.
Kiffin is not the problem; Al is. Walker wants to give his signing bonus back and Al talks him out of it? For what? To stay delusioned that you screwed the Broncos our of Walker?
Kiffin wanted to fired Ryan last year and A wouldn’t let him. What Al wants, Al gets.
Lit up by a 6-10 team, at best.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
MERRIMAN IS SHUTTING IT DOWN AFTER ONE WEEK!
Season ending reconstructive knee surgery as heard on BSPN.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Playing like we did last night, the Raiders will be lucky to win one game….Miami.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
USC
September 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Kiffin is… you got to be kidding me. How can you blame that on the coach. He is the only one that has the b@lls to call it like it is. As long as Al has his fingerprints on this team we are doomed. I have love for Al and I respect the man(he’s the main reason that most of us are Raider fans)but his way of running a team obviously does not work in todays nfl.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Alright guys, get it out today but then let it go and let’s get ready for the Chiefs.
It’s 1 stinking game!! We knew we didn’t address sht on the DL and OL this offseason, this is what we have. It’s all about Jamarcus and the offense, screw Ryan!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
I love this team, if we play like we did yesterday we wont win a game…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Kurgan
That’s exactly what is bothering me today. If it was Indy or Dallas OK but no this is not even a good team that hammered us.
That my friend is what is truly depressing about this whole season.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
The raiders will be just fine
September 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Hall sucks he got schooled by a rookie!
Nnamdi is the truth as is Jamarcus!
we need to see some Bush action next week!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
If Kiffin is going to blame anyone it should be himself…..end of story!
Blaming anyone outside of yourself is a loser attitude…
And as the movie line goes…Attitude reflects Leadership…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
People are angry that Al talked Walker out of giving the money back…..look at our receivers without him. Heres to Walker and Schilens as starters.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Actually, Last night did feel like 2006. Only this time it was the Defense who had the Bed&Breakfast game plan… ryan! grow a bean bag and call a blitz!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
So Lou..I respectfully disagree
September 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Also hall and the secondary cant be blamed for the coverage… cutler had a minimum 5 secs to throw. sometimes he had more, so we were all talking about coverage sacks which is a misnomer in my opinion what happened. give any QB even rivers time to throw and he will torch you. thats what QB’s do… Blitz any QB ask brady about his dream of a 19-0 season, or new york giants about blitzing….
what we dont have the personal to let cutler see 8 or 9 in the box? We cant fake sometimes then drop back…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Sever- how many catches did Aso give up 1 or 2? how about hall 6, 7, 8?
and that wasn’t the point anyway. why didn’t the scheme change? the defensive problems from the first quarter continued all night. no change.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
When shannarat and his players were on the sideline laughing… really made me feel like shiet. There is no doubt who has control of that team and the same can be said for ours,
September 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
People are giving Aso a pass as if he didnt get worked by the rookie as well. Some people find a player the like and ride their dik no matter what they do.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
we misses warren sapp last night
September 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
we need a defensive scheme like the one jim johnson runs with the eagles. create pressure create turnovers.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
but atleast nmandi was playing him cloer and almost had a pick
September 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
we had zero blitzes, zero sacks, zero pressures, zero hurries, zero hits on cutler in the pocket…
So our D looked like zero….
September 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Sapp is dancing with the Stars!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
ROB RYAN IF YOU READ THIS BLOG YOU ARE A F@CKIN IDIOT.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
tell me what ricky brown did yesterday or sam williams
September 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
All is not lost. I hope the people who are primarily responsible are forced to watch the entire game film, frame by frame.
Admit the mistakes, vw to do better and never give up.
Get ready for the next game.
The nucleus is there.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
666,408
Whats up guys… Geez I had a rough one last night! Had a get together at my house and everyone was dying laughing at the product we put out.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
morrison got burnt, howard was a no show,and javon walker has no heart
September 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
coverage sacks = rob ryan and the prevent D he runs
Like madded said the prevent, prevents you from winning. replace prevent with rob ryan…
September 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I beleive that the way we play is one corner plays his half of the field. I don’t think we rotate to put a certain corner on a certain receiver….i could be wrong.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Los Angeles Raiders- Other than play like sheit….NOTHING!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Chaz f@Ckin Sch was one of the only players to step up.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Agree…Puton Walker has no heart.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
The game last night was a fluke. Al Davis has ran this team into the ground. Paying big money for no reason. Javon doesnt deserve the money he got. Kiffin is a good coach, but what everyone forgets is that he is shadowed by Al. I love the Raiders, but its time we start realizing that we will never be good until Al is out. Hopefully if he fires Kiffin mid-season, the league will jump in and remove him. The defense will get it together, but Ryan needs to make some adjustments. I expect us to fully rebound against KC because we have too good of team to lose all season
September 9th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Kurgan, I guess I agree with you, but that scenario is a real bummer because no matter what, AL isnt leaving anytime soon,…Kiffin had a smile on his face today at his presser,..he clearly doesnt care and knows the football world knows it isnt his fault, nobody can win in Oakland,…I see no wins this year,..sorry, keepin it real.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
coverage sacks are a figment of rob ryans imagination..
September 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Fire Kiffin crowd…
Again…
Who do we replace him with, and why? Specifics, please.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
ASO did not get worked over by the rookie. How can you get worked over if you only allow 2 balls caught? One by him. Enlighten me please!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
“When is the pro Al crowd going to show up?
You know, they will say stuff like:
The glass is half full! (no, but Al’s colostomy bag is)
Al Davis has done more for the NFL than any other human being! (except in the last 25 years)
Al Davis found one Gruden, he will find the next! (and then fire him)
Al Davis is the Raiders! (Yeah, well right now the Raiders are a pile of sheet, so I guess that make him one too)
Real Raider Fans love Al Davis (Then real Raider fans love a winner who has turned into a loser)
Did I miss anything?”
Dakota -
Yes, you missed something. You forgot to mention how STUPID Al Davis was to draft a running back when he easily could have traded down to get more picks to shore up the O and D Line, especially considering he already had 4 RB’s on the roster.
Instead Al Davis stupidly drafted a luxury pick in McDadden instead of doing the SMART thing. Meanwhile the Raiders suited up 3 DT’s last night. Let me say it again, ONLY 3 DT”S! It figures that you “forgot” to mention that little detail.
Sorry to shatter your image of always being right, but you were wrong about this one Dakota.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
we will redeem ourselves with a win in KC and the only way to look is up after that.
keep the faith brothers
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
LA Raider….Javon didn’t deactivate himself, that was Kiffins call. Javon said several times that he was ready to go, kiffin didn’t have the sack to put him on the active roster. After pre-season game 3 he is shell shocked.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Kiffin wasn’t blaming anyone in the press conference. In fact he was saying it one game. There was a lot of problems, but it was one game, and the issues can still be worked out.
The whole 1 pressure in 10 thrird and longs from the defense is just a true statement. Three press corps was asking about the defense and the lack of pressure, and Kiffin gave the response.
What is he supposed to do act like everything is good, and Ryan called a good game.
Ryan sucked, the defense sucked, Hall swallowed.
You will not find one blogger in the world that will say keeping Ryan around was a good idea. You won’t find one Raider fan uttering they like Rob Ryan as the defensive coordinator for the Raiders. The last couple of them including my self officially jumped off the band wagon last night.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Chad,..you say things like the Raiders will be fine,…rebounds against KC,..the Raiders love fans like you…but Chad, wake up please.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Dirty
Mine sucked as well total buzz kill! Plus I had to peal of a hundi to my coworker this morning! This beer isnt making me feel any better! I just know we better beat the isht outta the chefs or its gonna be a long season!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
I only saw Aso play off Royal one time and that was the catch Royal made. Other than that if Aso on him he played press.
Its safe to say we are all shocked at what we saw on the defensive side of the ball. It was unbelievable. 2006 redux. Ryan gave his players no chance and they quit on him. I just hope its not a continuation for the remainder of the season. If so, we’re screwed. There is no way Ryan should survive this.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Jmarcus played solidly with the conditions. He showed poise and leadership and lets hope the old man doesn’t screw with his development.
Once again as I stated all off season since Ryan was kept for no reason….RYAN SHOULD BE ON WATCH!!
How could the defense be regressing???
ROB RYANS FAULT!
September 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Jim Lofton (A.I.), exactly. Al isn’t going anywhere. So, how does James Lofton, your guy, win with Al Davis bringing in players like DeAngelo Hall?
September 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
i think you’re right severe.
but 75-80% of their passes are going to hall’s side Ryan needs to step in and try something different. bracket him, whatever. there is absolutely no reason to just sit back and watch your defensive scheme get torn to shreds without having a plan B, or C, etc.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Jim Lofton,
Dax3it! There you go with that obvious truth again.
Just stop it.
September 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Oh man…heard people were puking in the stands??
Geez…having a great time in the parking lot…then when the game ends up going bad..they actually start puking? Ugh….lol
September 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
MR
Im on the AL needs to step down bandwagon! He’s still my guy any I still luv the guy but its time 4 him to go and take that fat fuk rayn with him!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Dakota, I know you want my limbs cut off, but you’re post debunking the Al Davis mythology was great. (great).
September 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Why didn’t Rob Ryan have Nnamdi just shadow Royal like MR shadows Oakglenn?
September 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
3-13 ..end of story
September 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
EVERYBODY RELAX, its only one game,..we beat kc next week, steal one in buffalo and the san diego game will be a make or break scenerio going into the bye week, I for one am not giving up yet, yes its a major step back but im looking for a major step forward next week..Im die hard..Go raiders…and if we suck…Im going down with the ship!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Mr
Kiffen is not the problem.. He warned all of us. No one listened.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
*ryan the fat fuk needs to go!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
0-4 …at the bye — bet on it
September 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
STR – I love your enthusiasm bro. I too am trying to keep a positive mentality. It’s just so hard with the outcome last night… But that is another reason why I said earlier that before I change my mind and join the chants of “Fire Ryan”, I want to see how they do against KC. If same outcome, than it is time for him to go.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
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September 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
did gallery fill in when harris got hurt? cause he didn’t look as bad out there as i remember.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
..you can’t beat anyone with that FVCKIN VANILLA DEFENSE <—PATHETIC
September 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
408
I hear ya… I dont see us winning a game with that kind of play
September 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
3-13……. i think not
September 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
The crowd behavior is front page at Oakland Tribune right now. Police were getting reports all night. It’s ugly. You keep getting incidents like this combined with losing and the league can step in. Especially if crowds are continously out of control. The Raiders are a franchise, not exclusive physical property. It’s like being part of a homeowners association. Sure, you own the house. But you can’t just do what you want with it. There’s a charter to abide by. Owning an NFL franchise is pretty much like that. If Al keeps this up, he could lose the team.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
May be we can get Al a job as the “Greeter”
September 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
The rookie was only on aso’s side of the field for 4 plays that i saw with 3 being thrown his way for 3 competions.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Kiffin has the easiest job in football. coach up a young very talented qb that is willing to learn. He is the head coach, but Al makes all the perssonnell calls. Kiffin controls who sits, and who plays: Javon and Kalimba did not practice they did not play.
Kiffin isn’t concerend because some of the messages that he got last night after the game from his friends, and family were Jamarcus looks good, you will be judged by how well Jamarcus Develops.
Bye the bye, if Jamarcus develops the Raiders will be able to compete: unfortanatley we may resemble the Bengals more than we do the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, Eagles, or cowboys.
The dysfunction has to come to an end eventually if this team wants to win.
Best case scenario, the Raiders are turning into the Bengals in a couple of years with this sort of dysfunction.
Hopefully Kiffin will be the coach, so that he can put al to task for making bonehead perssonnell decisions.
Right now I am more interested in seeing Chaz schillens and Ashley Lelie. Javon Walker has to learn to practice before he plays. He has to build a chemistry with the young qb. If he does not kiffin would be wise to develop the younger wide receivers: in particular Todd watkins, chaz Schillens, and JLH.
Ashley Lelie played well, but he was playing the Bronco’s and I expect him to pull a Kaiser Sosai in a few weeks.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
RYAN MISHAPS…
1. NO MAN TO MAN BUMP AT THE LINE COVERAGE ON ROYAL or MOVING NNAMDI ON HIM
2. NO SCHEMING OR IN GAME OR HALF ADJUSTMENTS
3. NO BLITZING FROM ALL ANGLES TO GET CUTLER ON THE GROUND WHEN THE FRONT FOUR WAS IN EFFECTIVE.
4. NO DISGUISING COVERAGES.
5. NO STUNTS BY D LINEMEN
Pathetic job by Rob Ryan and his defense in a home opener that was just like last years?? More proof to me that he does not belong as the D Coordinator!!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
its sad to see all the no faith raider fans in here.
yall will be the first ones tooting your horns when we start winning…….bet on that!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Ryan is AL’s towel boy…he gets to wash out AL’s tears
September 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
El Dirty… no shiet don’t see us winning with that kind of play, are u a rocket scientist??….how many games will anybody win with that kind of play??? The game just snowball out of our favor….but there will be games that snowball in our favor….CHILL
September 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
At least Chaz and Lelie looked solid!
Let Walker retire and give back that 11 million!!
Get Watkins on the field also!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Repairing the Raiders
1. Ignore Al Davis completely. (Hire a quality GM)
2. Let Kiffin fire sorry a$$ Rob Ryan
3. Stop keeping bad draft choices, pick up quality guys off waivers.
4. Trade Fargas for an above average WR
5. More McFadden and Bush
6. BLITZ, BLITZ, BLITZ
7. Find a run stuffing MLB. (Ricky Brown sux)
September 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Before I wasn’t for or against Rob Ryan b/c I couldn’t make way of who was controlling the defense. Was his hands tied or what. But Ryan calls the shots in the game and answers to Davis afterwards. After last night, I’m all for getting rid of this turd. Nothing he can do will redeem him even if we blowout KC. That was just a terrible display for a defense esp one with this much talent and they quit on him. 5 years of subpar defense. Enough is enough.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I was surprised we didn’t see Bush last night…he would have helped…
September 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Brown plays SLB YOU MORON
September 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Real simple;
1.)Curry has been dropping balls for two seasons now.
2.)Tom Jackson makes me want to absolutely lose it with his gloating. God, its excruciating!
3.)This rush four lineman and play the corners on an island defense is not working. Pressure won the Super Bowl last year.
4.)The rushing attack WAS the bright spot, but we got behind, and had to go to the pass. As usual, Shanarat built an early lead, and we had to go AGAINST our strength, the passing game.
5.) We have no one interesting, other than Cooper Carlisle, on the offensive line. NO ONE INTERESTING!
6.)FABIAN WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER THAN HALL, AND CHEAPER…
September 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
hey MR is there a link to that paper?
September 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Speaking of Oakglenn, did he ever show up? I saw SNB 666 up there. Good for him. Florida Pete came out and took his licks in his own pu**y assed way, laden with guilt trips. Typical of him. Is Oakglenn ok? Oakglenn, we know you’re here. Just say something. This is getting ridiculous. You’re going to get it no matter what. Might as well take your flogging sooner than later. Oak’s thinking he’s going to wait it out and if by some miracle we wind up 2-2 at the bye again, he’s going to finally pop up and say he told us so. Don’t hold your breath, Oak. We like you. Come in and let us make fun of you for being a complete blowhard.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
South Texas Raider, the link to the story about fights at the colieum? It’s on the front page of this web site. OaklandTribune.com. First story. Right at the top. At least it was about 15 minutes ago.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
SouthTexas- i am looking forward to bouncing back next week against the chiefs. i think the O looked pretty good. and i have to believe we will put a better D on the field next week. we’re not abandoning ship (at least i ain’t) just venting after the frustration of last night.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Bring back Hartwell….he may be a liabilty in coverage but he can play the run. He also has a swagger that this defense needs….Halls head wasn’t in the game, losing a Dad, even one that you aren’t close to can’t be easy. I’m sure there are many here that can vouch for that. But that excuse ends this week, next week he better have it in gear.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
well i hope the fans put up a better fight than our team did
September 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
First Let Me Give You My George Lopez
FTP Awards.
Mike,Mike & Mike…F**k Them Putos.
Coach Elkins…….F**k That Puto.
Mike Shanahan……F**k That Puto.
Denver Colo……..F**k Them Putos.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
darkknight- i agree bush was in the game just for play action. i wanted to see him lay some wood.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
No faith? no clue bro. I love football, and I ride with my team, but the dysfunction is all over the place. Today, if you watched the press conference between Kiff and the media, and saw how they kept going on about the defense knowing he has no control over: you had to feel bad for Kiffin because he had to bite his tongue, and he had to try to find some way to keep control of this team.
He wanted ryan gone, the nation was split over it, and now across the board we all see how bad a move it was to keep ryan. That defense has amazing talent: A good rush end, one shut down corner, one pro bowl caliber corner (thats what I hear any way), a true strong safety that played great for the champs last season, two young developing line backers.
Last night should have never happenned. If Ryan’s cocky @$$ wants a job in the NFL, he better pull it together real quick.
The season is dangerously close to being over and it is only the second week.
Jamarcus and Dmac will give us something to cheeer about, but the upside will not be realized until the dysfunction ends: Kiffin needs to be allowed to be a true head coach. Give him this year, and let him bring in a new defensive staff next year: Tampa Bay db coach will be free.
Ryan sucks.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Jerry. I didn’t see it anywhere, but what happened to Michael Bush? Why didn’t Kiffin use him with the ball in the red zone on that first drive? Is he either injured or in the dog house? Did anyone bother to ask?
September 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
oh ok, i have a direct link to these comment sites and not the front page. thanks
September 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I do not understand why everyone immediatly wants Kiffin gone. Let’s look at what he has been saying all along
1. Not enough talent, need to release underperformers and bring in competition.
This was confirmed during preseason and the opener. Who can disagree with that statement.
2. Rob should go
I like Rob, but screaming on the side line is not coaching them. All the high priced guy’s brought in and we can get to the QB or shut down the pass. Maybe Kif is on to something here.
3. He does not shy away from the truth
He has stated that he already knew this team is not as talented as the roster appears and I have to agree. We need to dump some of the protected guy’s if they cannot perform.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a die hard Raider fan from the Stabler days. Kiifin knows what it will take to get this turned around. We need Al to stop interferring and let him do what it takes. Everything Kiffin has said, we, all true Raiders, know it is true.
Well two years now and much added
September 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
South Texas Raider, I have all the faith in the world that we will become a good team again..if Al Davis retires. All the faith in the world.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
PA
No I’m not a rocket scientist but I can disclipline a team better than that.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
The ESPN Crew Can Lick The Sweat Off My DITKA.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Darkknight01,
You nailed it on every single point.
How Ryan didn’t see he needed to bring pressure to get to Cutler after the first series, let alone the entire game, is beyond me. WTF. That was horrible.
The d-line deserves some blame too, of course. But it’s Ryan’s job to make changes when things aren’t working out.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=28136380&albumID=2166367&imageID=42568603
funny pic. i know yall saw this one
September 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
The thing that gets me is all this talk about “finally” having 2 cover corners to man each side means we can bring the heat more often w/ not much to worry about – Aso and Hall (and Routt) have it covered.
What do they do 1st time out the game. Blitz 2wice in 4Qs! Run a 3-4 a few times and drop everyone in coverage! This sht is unreal.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
MR,…James wouldnt do any better but he at least seems like he wants to be here,..Kiffin doesnt,…but no he wouldnt do any better,..and Im not hiding the fact Im A.I.,…I do no longer call myself that as my insider has left the island and now works for the A`s in the Fremont ballpark project.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
the game commentary really did suck balls. it was boring and at times felt like they quit paying attention.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I am done with Rob Ryan.. Are we the only team in the league that does not blitz? I have Sunday ticket so I watched a lot of NFL this weekend. Every other team tried to put pressure on the QB. Rushing 3 or 4 men on 3rd down in this league does not work. His scheme is horrible he needs to call his brother and ask for some help.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
terripan I am right there with you. I have been saying that Ryan has had his hands tied for a variety of reasons, but he just sucks. Shanahan knew exactly what he was going to do, and Cutler had the patience and savy to follow the game plan and totally destroy the defense last night.
Ryan got the beating of a life time, and I doubt he can recover. I will be there hoping for the best with the rest of the nation who goes to the game, but Ryan sucks. It is clear as day.
I hate to say Kiffin was right, because he looked like he would hate to say that he was right as well, but Ryan should have been showed the door.
al better keep Kiffin. He is brining along Jamarcus the right way with a sorry @$$ o line, and a make shift recieving corps. The man should be called the miracle worker.
al is starting to resemble Hellen Keller: blind and deaf. He needs to listen and wake up from that fantasy land he is in.
Organizations need structure, and competent people working together. One man can’t run a team from a thrown no more. That was the old days when players ran out the field and made plays. Now you have complicated schemes and packages, and this simple style off football can’t even work with talented players any more.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Yeah anyone asking for Kiffin to get fired is a moron. We do not. I repeat do not need to start completely over again. The offense didnt look fantastic but it was a hell of a lot better than the defense. If it wasnt for a couple players having the jitters & doing boneheaded things than the offense would have done a lot better. Defensively we looked horrible. Where is the good secondary we r supposed 2 have and why doesnt Ryan have some guys blitz some times. If anyone should go its Rob Ryan cause he has yet to prove he has the defense under control
September 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
In fact, there’s something i’ve noticed over the years, and now I know it to finally be true:
It’s not just “defense” that wins championships, it is specifically “pressure on the quarterback” that wins championships. That’s it. Even if the quarterback just has hand in his face, or is forced to adjust his throw.
Next year we need a different scheme.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
D HALL YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED ROYALY.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Both lines played badly last night. Burgess was a non-factor as were all the other D line players. Tommy Kelley helped stuff the run but that was it. Aside from Asumougha, the back 7 were a waste of salary.
On the O side of the ledger, we simply need starting tackles (both) and a dominating Center. The center position has been a problem ever since we lost Barrat Robbins. I guess you just have to be a little crazy to be an outstanding center. We need starting wideouts, some of whom may already on the roster in reserve.
There’s just too much that needs fixing, including the coaching and ownership ranks. As I and a majority of other fans see it, until Al Davis steps down from active involvement, we are destined to be doomed.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
South Texas Raider, I’m with you and I’m a die hard Raider fan but we have to take a good look at what is going on with this team. I can’t wait to start winning again but we have to stand up to Al and let him know that we won’t put up with all the BS. If he thought Kiff was the real problem he should have paid him his money and let him go. He blew millions of dollars on players that did not show up last night. I’m tired of the same old sheit year after year.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
no pressure+no blitzing= rookie torching 2 time pro-bowler and making him look like schit!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Even I a long time Al Davis Worshiper have to say its time.
But who replaces Al and can they make a change or will this team be owned by 10 different people imagine what a mess that would be.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
lofton- i don’t think that kiff doesn’t want to be here, quite the contrary i think that he real wants to turn this thing around. from his comments he just seems disappointed that all the problems he saw last year are still plaguing us despite the fact that he pionted them all out during the offseason.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Lofton, South Texas Raider would love being head coach of the Raiders, too. Oakglenn would leave his wife and kids to do it. So would half the people in here. So, does that qualify them to be coach? Is merely appearing to be more enthusiastic than the current coach the lone requirment to be HC of the Raiders anymore? Why not stick with the coach who at least has some experience at building an offense, especially when Al would never pay anyone with experience and worth a damn like Dennis Green? If Al would spring for a Parcells type, I’d be all for it. Laney can take his frat boy ass back to USC. But Al won’t do that. Someone like Lane is the best we’re going to do.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I say fire them all and start over, keep Russell Mcfadden, Bush.
I would be seriously concerned that my other shut down corner got his ass handed to him by a rookie and the no. 1 receiver is playing with himself in the locker room hoping to get one last pay day.
I’ll be a Raider until I die, but that game was like watching Art Shell all over again.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
I don’t place much blame on Kiffin for this one.
The offense ran the ball well and the playcalling was a little too conservative but not terrible. The offense did have some execution errors, such as:
– JaMarcus’ fumble which may have gone for a TD to McFadden if the ball doesn’t slip out of his hand.
– Curry’s drop on a great play-action call by Kiffin/Knapp on 3rd and 1 which would’ve gone for another TD.
– JaMarcus just overthrowing Curry on what would’ve been another TD (not an easy play of course but one that Brady-Moss, Romo-Owens complete every time).
– The Fargas-Higgins fumble on what looked like a good reverse call. That play killed a nice drive when it was 17-0 and the Raiders still had a glimmer of hope about getting back in the game.
The real problem was the defense. Hall was totally embarrased. The d-line was completely useless. And Rob Ryan did nothing to earn his paycheck.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
SNB666, Al’s problem is his stubbornness. Therefore, anyone would be better than him as long as they let a GM or coach, or both, build the teams.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
i once was a ryan supporter…. no longer.
i once was a sheep of al….. no longer.
i want to win and tired of the schit as well.
RAIDER NATION WILL ARISE BROTHERS!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
I don’t know about Micheal Bush, but I know Darren mcFadden needs to get the ball more. He needs twenty touches: 15-17 carries, 2-3 catches, two touches in the ‘wild hog” at least.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Al Davis must go! Committed to Excrement is his philosophy.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Hell I’m still in just venting!!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Well I believe hes being fired real soon, for better or worse…clearly the whole damn thing needs to be bulldozed and start over…a real GM,..real head coach,..and clearly someone needs to stay home,..are any of those things going to happen?…nope…so as I said, I dont see any team on our schedule who we will beat….keepin it real.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
All you Kiffen haters, you may not remember but Shanarat used to be our coach. He was another young, up and coming coach that Al discovered and look how that turned out Shanarat 2 sb, Raiders 0
September 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
i don’t think jamarcus is used to throwing the deep ball to someone as slow as curry. i honestly think that second deep ball was catchable but curry doesn’t have the speed to separate. next week we should take our deep shots to lelie because, especially considering he has only been with the team a week, he looked to be playing harder than any other receiver (except maybe shilens).
September 9th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
ARE WE SCARED TO BLITZ? THE ONLY REASON CUTLER
LOOKED BETTER THAN J.R. WAS THAT HE HAD 10
SECONDS TO PASS COMPARED TO 2 SECONDS FOR J.R.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Kiffin didn’t use him in the Red zone because he trying to be too cute with his playcalling.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I was almost dead on with my score prediction on last nights game,..I see KC as another loss, 38-10. Keepin it real.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Don’t we get Notre Dame after our bye?…. a match up of two once proud teams
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll180/floresrd508/raiders.jpg
funny pic, im sure yall saw it last nite.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
maybe RR can borrow one of kiffin’s balls and stand up to Al and run a legitimate scheme.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
The word I never really hear mentioned on this blog day after day is “jealousy.” I’m so jealous of other franchises, even ones that don’t have any mystique whatsoever, like the freaking Seahawks. They have wholesome ownership, respect, and solidarity. How much would I love to have the league’s respect, like the Colts or Patriots organizations.
“I’m (still) in”….for life.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
living in philly i am so jealous of all the happy people walking around celebrating a franchise that wins and hasn’t made a coaching change in years.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
A few quick hits 2of als off season deals. javon walker did not play, deangelo hall gets schooled by a rookie and commits 2 personal fouls for 30 yrds in penalties. what a waste of money and roster spots. on the bright side chaz looked good 2 catches and layed out for another one, lelei also looked ok
September 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
“I’m Out”
September 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
South Texas Raider,
ARE YOU LIKE ME AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THE
COWGIRLS? WE NEED TO START WINNING.THE BEST FANS
IN THE WORLD DESERVE BETTER.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I don’t want to see Kiffin go but if it happens I wouldn’t mind Jim Fassel as the replacement. I think he’s terribly underrated as a head coach.
He was Coach of the Year in 1997. Led the Kerry Collins-QB’d Giants to the Super Bowl in 2000. And helped develop both John Elway and Phil Simms early in their careers.
I also think he’s got the personality to get along with Al and he’s hungry for another head coaching shot.
Having said that, we’ve all seen the offense improve a lot since the Art Shell debacle. It’s clear the defense is going backward in that same time and scheming appears ridiculously simplistic. Sorry Rob, but despite what you try to tell everyone in the media, the Raiders defensive players are not so far superior to everyone else that you don’t have to coach.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I’m Out… I’ll support Jerry Jones now until the Raiders show they can dominate again.
Oh it feels good now that I’m going to root for a potential Superbowl team
September 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
If I’m feeling this way now I can’t imagine how Al Davis feels. Its not much of an option now, but I would’ve just wanted to fire Rob Ryan on the spot. Right after the game!
That Wild Hog formation netted Fargas darn near 10yds. It will be more useful when Kiffin has McFadden passing out of it to keep defenses honest. But that’s a dangerous proposition in the NFL.
The offense wasn’t great but it sure wasn’t as bad as the defense. Right after Denver scored they marched right down the field. Those two scoring drives they had were long drives too.
Also you guys have to consider that part of Kiffin running so much, while mostly had to do with protecting JR and his line; he had to to protect that damn defense too. They couldn’t get themselves off the field! The worse thing you want to do is go an immediate 3 and out to put the right back on the field w/ no rest. But lets be real here – The defense dug their own grave.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I think there are many of us “real fans” who would love to see some “idea changes” with the team, and I mean straight up to the top. None of us who love the mystique of the Raiders would really like to see AL Davis go, because to many of us, Al Davis IS the Raiders. Yes, we might WIN MORE if Al passes on, but will we really be the Raiders anymore?
September 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
NO FAHQIN SCHITT!
my only come back is we beat them when we were worse (2005) and the last 3 times we have played them. i shuts them up for awhile. but yes….TIRED!
i have two bros and numerous aunts and uncles that are cowgirl fans….no to mention a brother thats a chief.
next sunday should be interesting…… hopefully i will have power and get to see it. hurricane ike seems to be headed my direction.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
random thoughts–”They are who we thought they were”-DHall loosing composure with 2 personal fouls just like he did with the falcons when he got 2 back to back personal fouls and was in the then coach’s face. Erie coincidence? Veteran shut down corner? my money’s on paying ASO to stay. Ryan has no magic, can’t make adjustments, or develp talent, and expecting him to stay and get different results is stupid.
Saw Kiff’s press conf and saw nothing to change my mind about him, he is all about the offense and you could read between the lines that the d was out of his control.
At least I will be at the Jets Pats game this sunday to see Bret kick the Pat’s and Fumbling Moses’ A
September 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
The only people that have a possibility of getting through to AD about the team problems are the contingent of old Raider players that visit AD. Unfortunately, they all appear to be pu$$y whipped and/or unwilling to possibly get on Al’s wrong side by telling him he’s the problem and not the solution.
Until Al backs away from the table and goes hands off, we will continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
We don’t really want to see him gone… just reduce his role to being the “Greeter” like they do at walmart
September 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
post #280
you were never a fan to begin with then, go back to the cowgirls for all i care.
born and raised in texas and loving the raiders…..forever.
I REPRESENT THE RAIDERS IN TEXAS!
September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
THE ONLY COMEBACK I HAD TODAY FOR COWGIRL FANS
WAS “ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES TILL YOU GET HURT”.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Bronco’s punted once…
Next year Al please address DT,DE,LT,RT,AND WR Thank you P.S. Hire a GM
September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
MR if you missed my posts, basically what I said was this has to be one of the biggest embarrassments in Raider history. Other than the Raider fans who came out firing, we can start by giving our first debacle game ball to Al Davis. Yesterday proved that spending an overall #4 and your other top pick, a fourth rounder, on a RB and CB, the only 2 positions you DIDN’T need, reeks of lunacy.
Kiffin was clearly overmatched. I honestly believe Kiffin thinks he and Shanahan are friends even tho Shanahan tries to run the score up on him. That team was NOT prepared out there. Suzie Kulber asked Kiff if he had any answers and he asked her for suggestions. That’s not funny. That’s embarrassing. To start the 2nd half, Jamarcus completes three straight passes, gets into a rythmn, drives down into Bunco territory, Kiff gets conservative, runs the ball three straight times, and then PUNTS from the Denver 37 on a fourth and 6. Ball game right there.
Ryan had NO ANSWER. As I have been saying for years, the defensive line got NO PUSH on passing downs, and got blown off the ball on running downs. The 2ndary had no communication on who was taking the deep coverages. Couple that with no answers from the coach and you have a 41 spot on the board.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
amen Jb I did not want to see or admit it but last night and 5 yrs of this leaves me with no other conculsion
September 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Well…I was hoping I’d wake up today with a different result from yesterday. Nope. We still suck.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Tim Brown on 1140 in Sac right now. I’ll give a play by play. Just started.
He’s ripping Hall right from the start. Said he made Royal look like a hall of famer.
Said he was at the game. Said you couldn’t do any worse than what Hall did.
Said no adjustments were mind boggling.
Says it’s on Hall, not the coaches. Says the CB has to just get up there and bump and run, no matter the scheme, when he’s getting killed like that.
Says Ron Curry had to make that play. Tim’s kids are screaming in the background. They’re laughing about it now. He’s back on Curry.
Brown says Curry’s drop was turning point. Feels Raider momentum would have picked up and they would have capitalized. Said up till that point the crowd was still loud and into it.
Says the Raiders should have been conservative with passing routes just to get something going.
Questioning team’s chemistry. They don’t “amp” each other up.
Says you can’t count on JaMarcus to be that guy. The veterans have to do it.
Says guys weren’t even giving each other pats on the back when they did something good. They would just go back to the huddle,.
Says team can still rebouhd even if they lose next week. Says the idea that going 0-2 ends the season is “old school”.
Brown says ESPN’s coverage was unfair. Says a lot of teams played bad last week yet their organizations weren’t ripped
When asked if he were GM of the Raiders, what would he do. He said he’d get another playmaker, McFadden type.’
That’s it. You guys all owe me a dollar. That’s the hardest I’ve worked all day.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
southtexas is right on. don’t comeback cowboycowboy you’re not welcome. have fun watching the eagles beating your new team’s arses next monday.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Some of you are shocked at what happened yesterday. Seriously…its been this way for 5 years. We’ve just been trying to be optimistic and positive. Well doing that has done nothing for us. Time to face reality.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
You know people get shot for being busters… Mutiny is punishable by death.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
“Yesterday proved that spending an overall #4 and your other top pick, a fourth rounder, on a RB and CB, the only 2 positions you DIDN’T need, reeks of lunacy.”
I hope Dakota reads this little nugget. Dude needs to come to grips that McDadden wasn’t the right pick. Typical behavior from a self professed “know it all” that is, and I quote “never wrong”.
Whether you admit to yourself or not, McDadden was a mistake. I think the kid is a really talented player but he was too much of a luxury pick for a team that had too many needs to afford any luxuries, let alone the 4th pick in the draft.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Thanks MR. And that the 1st post I’ve read of your’s in ages lol. But you keep writin’ like that and I’ll keep readin’
September 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
the eagles D will stop the cowgirls…..
they better hope that jessica simpson isnt in the stands wearing a romosexual jersey, LOL
September 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
after the way clady handled himself last night i still think we should have traded down, but that doesn’t matter DMC was the pick and he looked alright out there considering the conservative play calling
September 9th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Oakglenn, first of all, welcome back (…as if you were ever gone)
Riddle me this:
Was it Kiffin who opted to keep Rob Ryan?
Was it Kiffin who wanted DeAngelo Hall?
Was it Kiffin who decided to pass up on players available on wavers that could have created more competition in camp?
Was it Kiffin’s idea not to blitz at all vs. Denver last night?
Oakglenn, if you were going to come in here and try to drop this off on Kiffin’s doorstep, you just should have stayed in hiding. Give it up now because it’s not going to sell. Raider fans just aren’t as stupid as you think they are.
September 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
There is a direct correlation between the departure of Bruce Allen and the downfall of the Raiders.
Personnel is a serious issue. I have never seen an offensive line that was so one dimensional. They can run the ball very well but can’t pass block to save their lives.
Yesterday was very painful but there were some tiny, little positives buried in all of the sheet.
This mountain is very steep my friends and it seems that we have regressed. One step at a time.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
wow so were still blaming lane and j-russ. everybody blaming lane should let at the big picture and blame al davis because i gurantee lane kiffin is on here posting the same things. HELLO LANE KIFFIN FEELS LIKE MOST OF US, AND YOU GUYS ARE MAD BECAUSE WHAT? HE CANT DO JACK SHT ABOUT IT SO Y WOULD U BLAME HIM TRUST ME I THINK HE HAS NO CONTROL AND IS JUST A TAX WRITE OFF LIKE ANY OTHER RAIDER COACH, AND IF U TAKE J RUSS AND PUT HIM ON ANY TEAM HE WOULD BE SUCESSFULL ARE WR OR 2ND OR 3RD STRINGERS ON ANY TEAM AT BEST. LANE KIFFIN SAID IT BEST BEFORE THE GAME IF J RUSS FAILS IT WONT BE BECAUSE HE DOESN’T BELONG BUT THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM JUST WONT HELP, THOSE BALLS HE THREW WERE CATCHABLE BALLS AND NO BETTER THROWN THAN A BRETT FARVE PASS BUT THE WR CANT MAKE PLAYS AND THATS WHAT ITS ABOUT THOSE BALLS WERE VERY CATCHABLE JUST NOT TO WRS WE GOT THERE SPECIAL THEY NEED THE BALL TO HAVE VELCRO SO IT COULD STICK TO THERE HANDS AND CURRY DID THE SAME LAST YEAR, NOW WE APPRECIATE TIM BROWN AND JERRY RICE MAYBE AL DAVIS WOULD GIVE THEM A 20MIL GURANTEE TO COMEBACK IM FOR IT
September 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I’m tired of all the missed opportunities to upgrade our team, and the blown draft choices every year starting with Seabass instead of Shawn Alexander
So I’m out until Al Davis croaks
September 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Does anybody know how Chris Clemons did yesterday?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
MistaBrown, did I call it last night, or what? Oakglenn Giagantino has finally surfaced and true to form, he’s blaming Kiffin.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
The fan base deserves a human sacrifice. It should be Rob Ryan. He should have been fired at the end of the last season. We need real talent and we need team – too many individuals. All scholarships should be canceled. If Super Mario is not going to make it, dump his a$$ now and find another prospect. That goes for all project players. All assistant coaches must report to and follow the orders of the head coach. A real “football” GM should be hired and AD should limit his involvement to that which normal owners do. Be a cheerleader of sorts and NOT a dagger in the a$$ of progress. Right now, AD’s hands on approach is destructive with NO redeeming value.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
cowboycowboy will change his name back next week after the raiders beat the chiefs and the eagles beat the cowboys.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
I’m tired of reading Kiffin needs to go. It’s not Kiffin. Kiffin didn’t fumble the ball at the goal line, Kiffin didnt drop two passes that would’ve been for big gains. The offense moved the ball, but due to fumbles and drop passes they werent able to capatalize. All the blame needs two go on Al Davis and his not getting rid of Rob Ryan in the offseason. Has our defense ever consistently stopped the run under Ryan? Has our defense ever consisently put pressure on QB’s under Ryan? This defense has been a joke for too long. All of these big names and we still give up 41 points. FIRE ROB RYAN!!!! Mr. Goodell please get Al Davis to sell the franchise. Kiffin can and will get us there if Al is gone. If not he’ll just be another coach we had that went on to win the Super Bowl. Besides no one wants to coach under Al anyway. His next head coach will probably come from the high school level.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Kiss my a$$ MR
September 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Kiffin had that “deer in the headlights” look all night long. He isn’t the only problem, but he is clearly overmatched. He’s playing checkers while Shanahan’s playing chess.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
kiff was thinking the same thing we were all thinking ‘where the hell is the pass coverage?’
September 9th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
lol, true on that phillyraider…….bet on it
September 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I’m tired of writing the same thing in 15 different versions. We all know the problem begins and ends with Al Davis. Love him, hate him, who cares. Nothing will change until he does. He’s living in the past, in between his bouts of dementia. We, the fans, are paying the price of his disability.
I’m outta here.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
really, because I was thinking “where the hell is the pass rush? How can this secondary continually cover guys for 8 and 9 seconds while Cutler is in the pocket reading a book and throwing balls all over the field?”
September 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Mr,
Kiffin fascilated the Hall trade….
From a recent Hall interview:
His transition from Atlanta has been a smooth one, and Hall talked about his head coach’s involvement in getting him in Silver & Black.
“It’s been cool. Kiffin was a big part of me coming out here. He was the middle man between Al Davis and my agent, definitely a move he wanted to make on this team.”
September 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hey fellow raider fans. I told everybody that we were going to have another horrible season. The moment that I saw them resign, kelly, walker and keep sands, gallery I knew it would be over. Our D-LINE is pathetic, our O-LINE is even worse. They need to get a complete new O-LINE and a complete new D-LINE. Until then, we won’t have a wining season. Were not going to beat KC. If we can’t beat the sorry Denver AT HOME, then for sure we can’t win on the road. For those who say, it’s just one game, well get your head out of your a@@ and wake up. Ryan should be fired. Kiffin is ok. Even if we blitz, it’s too late. our season is over. This one game is just a sign of worse things to come. I’M TIRED OF BEING EMBARRASED LIKE THIS. STOP THE MADNESS!!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Better yet “why are we not blitzing”!
When the camera panned on Ryan he looked like the deer in headlights.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I DIDN’T SEE NO QUIT IN
JaMarcus
Zack
Wilson
Justin
Namdi
West Texas Raider
LETS TURN THIS MO FO AROUND.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Right on BHP, North Philly is confused like Oakglenn. Probably thinks we blitzed all night too!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
priest, i am sure that occured to him as well. why no blitz? hopefully they will change that going into next week
September 9th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Mr,
To say kiffin is not as much at fault as Ryan is a straight B!tch move on your part. His offense only put up 14pts against a prevent defense….man if u dont know what you are talking about u need to stfu.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
West Texas Raider,
Your forgetting Jay Richardson.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
YOUR RIGHT SILVER AND BLACK.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
yo chef I didnt break anything yesterday!
well my heart got a lil dinged up but Im still getting my raider on!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Right on Severe, on post #316
September 9th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Oh, yeh, Severeraider, Kiffin “facilitated” the Hall trade. Oh, what was I thinking? Over here blaming Al Davis for our personnel decisions. I mean, it’s common knowledge Kiffin has complete control over personnel. The head coach always does in Oakland. You’re worse than Oakglenn. Come back when your head’s out of your ass.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
here we go again!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
MR you love wallowing in your own sh*t don’t you? You couldn’t be happier with the way things turned out yesterday.
You make me ill.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Why is Kiffin doing press conferences concerning last nights game TODAY?
Here we are, already a day behind….should be gameplanning for the Chiefs…but our coach is on TV answering questions from last night, might as well be last year…Same difference
Prediction
Raiders 13
KC 27
September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Wow, Mistabrown. What a change of personality. What got into you? Oh, obviously, either Oakglenn or Severeraider jacking your screen name. And, there’s Oakglenn’s IP address for the mods to see the next time he bitches about name hijacking.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
COME ON MICHAEL HUFF NO MORE MICHAEL WHIFF.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Whats good 408,
I thought for sure their was gonna be nothing left to break. Glad to see you held it down. I’m tryin to Raider wit ya but damn it was a tough night at the restaurant. I walk through the door and it was no holds barred. But fuk them, lets take it to the queefs!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
ufck that CE
Raiders 17 chefs 13
September 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Kiffin is a stat coach…
He needs to take his stats and his gay proset Offense back to USC…
JUST WIN BABY!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
M.R. I BET YOU BAG YOUR OWN SH*T.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Chad, I’ll admit, there’s a satisfaction in being right, and rubbing it in your guys’ faces after being told time after time again that I had no clue what I was talking about. Looks like I did know what I was talking about, and you guys were idiots talking out of your asses. 44-14, dude. That’s brutal. Most of you shils were predicting a Raider blowout. Shows how much you morons know.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Hey 408
Read post #18, I wrote it for YOU!
MUAH!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Severerraider … post 15:
I don’t know where you’re been the past five years, but obviously you haven’t paid attention, nor have you seen the obvious. It’s not about Kiffin, it’s about an owner still living in the past, an owner too stubborn to change with what all the winning teams are doing…defensive pressure, among other things. It’s about an owner who continues to make major mistakes, an owner who should be sent to a “leper’s colony,” because he has brain rot.
It’s Al Davis who let Gruden leave, that cost him a Super Bowl win. It’s Al Davis who hired Callahan, a loser who couldn’t even make it in Nebraska. It’s Al Davis who hired Norv Turner, it’s Al Davis who hired Art Shell and allowed him to hire a “bed and breakfast” owner who hadn’t been in football for eight years, it’s Al Davis who made the Randy Moss pickup and the Warren Sapp pickup as well. It’s Al Davis who continues to meddle where he shouldn’t and as a result we have seen the longest losing streak in NFL history. It’s Al Davis and it’s time everyone own up to the truth. He did great things in his youth but his time has past. He should give the time to his son mark, or sell it to John Madden (that would be too good to be true) or just sell it, as any owner would be better than him. It’s “probably” Al Davis who has put the skids on Rob Ryan, as Rob Ryan cannot be that stupid over a five year period as he has been. Someone is pulling and directing his chain, and that someone is the meddler living in the past. His name is Al Davis.
Leave Kiffin alone, he’s doing a great job, considering all the chain around his neck…the chain being Al Davis.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
oh we will redeem ourselves with the quiefs……bet on that.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Actually I have never had a problem with your opinions and I, personally, have never said that you were wrong or an idiot. I just think that you are an a-hole.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Mr,
You are an idiot….the dude said it in an interview himself. There was no need for him to mention Kiffin at all you jacka$$. Get my head out of my ass??? Sure, just as soon as Kiffin gets his dik out of yours. Get you lips off of his swipe and take a breath, maybe then you could think straight.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
i sense a troll lurking in the blog
September 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Correction: 41-14. I forgot, Elkins, Lelie’s heroic play pulled us within 30! He pulled us out of the dirt! LOL,.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I knew releasing hartwell, Shaw and Joseph would hurt….
September 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Just one game my AZZ…
One game every opponent on our schedule got to watch and get a 1st impression of us….
Announcers making fun of us….it was embarassing yesterday…
PERIOD!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
MR is just like all of the other haters, finding joy in the Nation’s collective pain. Phukk You MR!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
see you can’t ever just be cool can you! where the ufck is Einstein @ this is was what I was talking about!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
LOL @ MR…
Yep…caught it in the dirt and pulled us outta the dirt!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Riverside,
Al didn’t let Gruden leave, he traded him. If we play any other team in that Super Bowl Al Davis has Lombardi 4.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
RIVERSIDE,
YOUR RIGHT THE ONE COMMON IN 5 YEARS IS AL DAVIS.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
No, Severeraider, you’re right. It’s common knowledge that Kiffin has complete control of personnel in Oakland. Every head coach does. Al Davis is known for being laxed and letting his coaches run the team. It’s why every coach wants to be here. Parcells, Belichick, all of them. But Al rejected them. They’d be willing to work here for nothing, because Al is so great to work for. He NEVER meddles. So, obviously, yes, Kiffin did…facilitate (lol) the Hall trade. Kiffin is the head faciliator. Sure, Severeraider, whatever ya say.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Terrapin…post 27:
Thank you. At least you understand what’s going on, and hopefully you know that Al Davis has his leper’s brain in it as well.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Split room 2night. If only Kiff had caught those balls and held off Dummerville and Called more blitz packages and didnt fumble on the goaline and didnt hold Millers jersey preventing him from an easy score that was never called or spun Royal out of bounds for a personal foul that put them in scoring range or if he could have pushed that o-line a little harder to disrupt Cutlers time in the pocket then I might side with half the people that think it was Kiffs Fault.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
its good to know we atleast agree on one thing…….
we all love our raiders and want to win.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Chad, is it my fault the team sucks?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
well said riverside raider and its kiffin trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sheet with the roster he has or is given by AD
September 9th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Do you think when Lane screws his wife she screams…
do it to me lane?
or
do it to me coach?
Just wondering….
Coach sounds cooler….
Wonder what she’ll call him here in about two weeks when he’s fired and buried in a legal fees for messing with Mr. Davis….
He’s not going to see a penny of his money, it will be paid to lawyers….Watch for it!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
For all the fans thats try to blem kiffin, its not hes fault, for loosin the game. they should fired Rob Ryan.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
LOOK INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Mr,
Did i say AL wasn’t involved??? Damn dude you are extremely slow. The quote even says Kiffin was the middle man, he was the fascilitator not the ochestrator you nitwit. Jus stfu if you dont know what you are talking about.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
AND SPIN IT!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
SouthTexasRaider…post 30:
You’re living in a dream world, refusing to see or acknowledge reality. As long as Rob Ryan is running the defense and Al Davis is the owner pulling the chains, we’ll continue to have upheaval, turmoil and coaching changes, instead of the real medicine, a change in ownership. I’ll take John Madden.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Elkins, that’s a fine prognosis of Kiffin’s contract… and sex life. So, what about the Raiders? When do the Raiders win again, Coach Elkins? How many people do you blame for the Raiders’ failures before you finally land on Al Davis?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Okay…lets assume they fire Rob Ryan….
Then What?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Al is killing this team with his old school ways.Not Kiffin.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I blame myself!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
The effort was pitiful but the only way Kiffin should get the lion share of the blame is if he really is in charge of the defense. The offense did some good things and I think that they are close to being pretty good. If Mr. Davis is keeping Rob Ryan from blitzing then I hope he will reconsider. Better to get burned occasionally by blitzing, but also force some mistakes and get some big plays that to die by slow torture. If it is Rob Ryan who is deciding to lay back and depend on the front four to provide pressure, which they have already proved they are incapable of, then he needs to change his tactics, or else be replaced. I waited since they end of last season for this game. I will always be a Raider fan, but it sure hurts to see them play like this.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I never blame anyone but myself!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
i could not believe the missed called by the refs in the game.
its hard to play against the zebras along with your opponent, i mean the zebras are a distant relative of the doncHoes….conspiracy anyone, lol
September 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
So its my fault that we’ve only won 19 games in five years….
And I’m doing something about it~!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Oh, now Kiffin is the “middle man” Severretard? I thought he was the “facilitaor”? Middle man would suggest that Al is involved. How dare you blame Al for signing a malcontent cornerback? Let me guess, you blame global warming on Al too, right? Some fan. Go get a whiner jersey. Kiffin is not some “middle man”. He’s the FACILITAOR! It’s ALL his fault!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
If we get rid of Ryan who would take over??? The only coach on our staff now that i would accept is Perry. Martindale would just do the same as Ryan.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
we need a more aggressive defensive scheme: either a new coordinator or Al letting Ryan change the scheme (assuming Ryan can put something better than this together-probably not). hopefully we’ll see something to that effect this week.
i’m done dwelling.
looking forward to (praying for) a win this sunday in kansas city.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
if u want a c then draft alex mack of cal next year. a top grade talent on the ol. thats the problem with going with system guys as your main contributors. they can get rolled in individual matchups. mcfadden and bush will make this system that much better and some talented olineman will make them even better. this was the argument for drafting dmc a truly talented rb instead of some decent rb with fargas. dmc shouldve gotten those pitchouts fargas got. u need players regardless of the SYSTEM. we also need another rush end. simply put we need a couple of quality dlineman. screw underachievers like warren and sands. now that we played 1 game lets go ahead and give chad jackson a uniform. id rather see us start over with some young fresh players than guys who have stuck around in this mess for several years. we need to get rid of gallery grove green sands warren curry. i like curry but he is what he is at this point. just for the sake of a truly new environment they need to go as well as rob-o just so we arent reminded of the recent past. thats how u turn things around. cut the cord with those that have been apart of this disaster even if they r nice guys unless they r special players. none of these guys r special. we most likely will have to do this in the offseason but we need to do it regardless of our record.thats alot of money tied into average players. say what u want about hall but he is/was a probowler these guys arent.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
COACH ELKINS,
THATS WHAT SHE SAYS.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
You guys fall for it every time. MoRon is NOT a Raider fan. That’s why he’s giddy. Is anyone else here giddy?? MoRon is someone who feigns being a fan, lambastes the real fans of a 4-12 team and then hides behind others identities and calls others cowards. Pathetic.
The issue with Kiffin is the team was obviously NOT prepared. The only thing I give him credit for is the 3rd and one play action where Curry dropped the ball. That was a good gutsty call.
They made plays. We didn’t make plays. None of our players with the exception of Jamarcus really didn’t do anything. We got totally dominated on both lines of scrimmage.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Guys…trust me…they changed the scheme yesterday
Problem is….
It was worse than before….
Last season we almost always played man coverage….
Watch the tape again…I have…
We didn’t play man all night….the zone killed us on the play action stuff…
September 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Terrapin…post 46:
You’re wasting your time, these guys don’t get it and can’t see it. They’ll watching a different game or they’re mind-locked in the past. The problem is not Kiffin as you pointed out on the post (post 46, a must read)but it’s Rob Ryan and the owner, Al Davis, who has brain rot and should be sent to a leper’s colony.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Let me re phrase that….
We did play man last night…more than 5-% of the time…
My point was that we played zone when we usually play man all night!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Oakglenn, nice expose` into my agenda here. And, also, nice try blaming Kiffin, yet again. Talk about not being prepared, you should have seen our defense. Kiffin has nothing to do with the defense, btw, retard. You should have stayed in hiding, Oakglenn. I thought a good night’s sleep would inject some common sense into you. Obviously, not.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
We all give Kiffin a pass but the offense is his, everyone knows that no matter who has the title Al Davis is the Def. Coord. of the Raiders. Ryans hands are tied more than Kiffin because he has no control over personell or scheme. Not making excuses, just being realistic.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Shanahan had a great gameplan last night. Kiffin and company assumed the Broncos would do the same as last year……
They did not….
Our scheme was based on the games from last season, and to say the least, it did not work….
September 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
youll take madden……..now thats living in a dream world.
faith is something you have to belive in.
we all know whats wrong with our team and what needs to change, it wont change with all the bickering and fighting amongest the fans. yall bashing each other isnt gonna change anything either. ive been on this site for close to three years and see the same hate and snarls to one another but you know what i have to say to that………GET OVER IT!
any given sunday, just cuz we lost one doesnt mean we will lose them all, geeez. have some faith people. it is ok to vent, but yall sound like nagging wives saying the same refurbished comments day in and day out.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Dakota…post 50 (a must read post)
Thank you, it’s good to see we have a few thinkers who can state the truth, who are willing to point out the obvious. I hear you and I hear Tarrapin. I agree 100%.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
If anyone who is important read this blog and just figured out what happened….
PLEASE DON”T GET MAD @ ME….
September 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Severeretard, give Kiffin a pass? No way! He facilitated the Hall trade! I can not forgive him for that. Hall sucks. And you’ve brought it to my attention that it was in fact Kiffin who facilitated the trade. Kiffin must go. Poor old Al probably advised Kiffin against taking Hall all along. But what power does Al have?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
ryan calls the plays. al sits in the box. ryan needs to grow a pair and keep himself from looking like an ***hole.
that’s it for me tonight.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Coach Elkin admitted it. Post 369 It was all his fault.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Believe me you guys I am very disappointed in both Ryan AND Kiffin. Not one, not the other. BOTH. Their teams were not prepared and could not make adjustments, which last year they seemed to do fairly well.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Dick V…post 59
Good post…right on the mark.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
South Texas Raider, I have all the faith in the world that this team can win if Al Davis retires. All the faith in the world. I believe.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Oakglenn, are you disappointed at all in Al Davis? Does he have nothing to do with last night’s loss, in your mind?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
So scoring 7 points thru 59 and a half minutes of a 60 minute game is having your guys prepared??? MR is a Whiner loving moron.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Oakglenn, Hall just about single handedly lost the game. He’s definitely more responsible than any other player for letting it get out of hand, with his poor play and his penalties. Who’s responsible for him being here?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
It doesn’t matter whether Mr. Davis had anything to do with last nights results. He is not going to be fired. If he is responsible for the schemes I hope he reconsiders.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
RaiderKen…post 66:
Smart move…throw the baby out with the bath water. Go back and read Terrapin and Dakota and maybe you’ll get a clue. It’s clearly not everyone’s fault…it’s mainly Ryan and Al Davis. Fargus, Russell, Miller, MaFadden, Nnamdi, among others, player their hearts out. Kiffin did an excellent job, considering he has two chains wrapped around his neck. Chain #1 = Rob Ryan..Chain #2 = Al Davis.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Oakglenn, would you describe our receiving corp that Al put together as being top notch? You didn’t see Curry drop that pass, moron? What game did you watch? And, you didn’t answer my question. You said you’re upset with both Kiffin and Ryan. But not Al Davis? Was every player on that field not signed by Al Davis? Were both coaches you’re angry at not hired by Al Davis? Do you not see how full of s’t you come off as?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
i feel ya MR and do believe now that al does has to step down. like i said ive been on this site and rf365 for close to 3 years defending al, but it is time for him to give up the helm.
it is time for a new captain.
lets all have faith that big al will see that and step down soon.
but for now, im still love my raiders and sport my gear and tattoos with pride.
bring on the chiefs.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Oakglenn, are you learning disabled in any way?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
You win as a team, you lose as a team. If the secondary had any pass rush, would Hall have been so victimized??? If the offense had scored more than 7 points in 59 minutes, could the defense have taken more chances?? The only thing you hope for is this becomes a major wakeup call for the organization!
September 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Los Malosos…post 85:
Amen to that brother. I totally agree.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Who’s responsible for him being here?
To answer your question MRs: Lane Kiffin and Al Davis, you Kiffin dik rider.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
MoRon is a disingenous lying sack of sh**. Who cares what he thinks.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Oakglenn Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
You win as a team, you lose as a team. If the secondary had any pass rush, would Hall have been so victimized??? If the offense had scored more than 7 points in 59 minutes, could the defense have taken more chances?? The only thing you hope for is this becomes a major wakeup call for the organization!
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dam good point oakglenn.
there never is and never will be and I in team.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Oakglenn, do you not understand that Al Davis signed every single player Kiffin has on offense? Did you not see Curry drop that pass?
Yes, you win as a team, you lose as a team. But in every sport, there is one person responsible for putting that team together. Who’s that guy for the Oakland Raiders, OakGlib?
September 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Riverside,
I notice that you didn’t respond to my post, #74. You are so angry that you can’t see the forest through the trees. Its a o0rginizational failure and that includes Lane Kiffin. His offense was almost as bad as RR’s defense, get it together dude you are waaay smarter than that.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Clearly MoRon did not read my repost number 290. Here in it’s entirety is the post:
# Oakglenn Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
MR if you missed my posts, basically what I said was this has to be one of the biggest embarrassments in Raider history. Other than the Raider fans who came out firing, we can start by giving our first debacle game ball to Al Davis. Yesterday proved that spending an overall #4 and your other top pick, a fourth rounder, on a RB and CB, the only 2 positions you DIDN’T need, reeks of lunacy.
Kiffin was clearly overmatched. I honestly believe Kiffin thinks he and Shanahan are friends even tho Shanahan tries to run the score up on him. That team was NOT prepared out there. Suzie Kulber asked Kiff if he had any answers and he asked her for suggestions. That’s not funny. That’s embarrassing. To start the 2nd half, Jamarcus completes three straight passes, gets into a rythmn, drives down into Bunco territory, Kiff gets conservative, runs the ball three straight times, and then PUNTS from the Denver 37 on a fourth and 6. Ball game right there.
Ryan had NO ANSWER. As I have been saying for years, the defensive line got NO PUSH on passing downs, and got blown off the ball on running downs. The 2ndary had no communication on who was taking the deep coverages. Couple that with no answers from the coach and you have a 41 spot on the board.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Oh, that’s a good one, Severeretard. Kiffin dk rider. So, this by default makes you an Al Davis dk rider.
September 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
DesertRaider post 124:
Right on…Great that Mike Ditka said it like it is. The problem is Al Davis.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Oakglenn, I saw your post. What stuck out was your middle paragraph, and your assumption that Kiffin somehow didn’t give it his full effort because he and Shanarat are supposedly friends. Again, another back handed attempt at dropping this off on Kiffin’s doorstep. One thing was clear this entire off season, Kiffin was the one trying to change things in this town. Al Davis was the one stonewalling Kiffin and overpaying the very sacks of s’t you saw lose the game last night. This loss has Al Davis’s signature all over it, yet I didn’t even see you mention his name. Just more blame Kiffin b.s.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
“Believe”
The faces all around me they don’t smile they just crack
Waiting for our ship to come but our ships not coming back
We do our time like pennies in a jar
What are we saving for [x2]
There’s a smell of stale fear that’s reeking from our skins.
The drinking never stops because the drinks absolve our sins
We sit and grow our roots into the floor
But what are we waiting for? [x2]
[chorus:]
So give me something to believe
Cause I am living just to breathe
And I need something more
To keep on breathing for
So give me something to believe
Something’s always coming you can hear it in the ground
It swells into the air
With the rising
Rising sound
And never comes but shakes the boards and rattles all the doors
What are we waiting for [x2]
[chorus]
I am hiding from some beast
But the beast was always here
Watching without eyes
Because the beast is just my fear
That I am just nothing
Now its just what I’ve become
What am I waiting for
Its already done
September 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Kurgan…post 149:
Good to hear another person, among many others in here, who not only see the truth, but point it out. Well said.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Oakglenn, when you were hiding out last night, I told everyone in here you’d blame Kiffin. A few people said you wouldn’t. They said you’d finally come to your senses like everyone else and just admit that Al has lost it. Were they wrong. I was right twice in one day! About how bad our team still is, as evidenced by the game, and that you would blame Kiffin. Called it, on both counts. I should be in Reno. But then again, there wouldn’t be any bets this easy.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
First off MoRon you are as usual reading into things. I never said Kiff and Shanny are friends. Kiff acts like they are. Shanarat would chop Kiffs head off if he could and he tried to do that yesterday in front of millions of people. That is part of Kiff being unprepared. 2ndly, never confuse effort with results.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
im out brothers.
winning changes everything and after a win over the chiefs sunday it will change for us…..
RAIDER NATION WILL ARISE AND WE STILL WILL HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
In a way I can’t wait for Al Davis to relenquish control, either in life or death. Because then MR aka MaddenRaider will have NO LIFE PURPOSE.
Trust me, he’ll find some negative cause to cling to, just like flies on sh*t.
MR – you used to at least make somewhat astute observations and although I didn’t always agree, I understood where you were coming from. You have devolved into a hateful lil person that revels in other people’s pain.
I would rather be wrong and the Raiders win, than to be right and watch the Raiders lose. You are the exact opposite, which makes me realize that you are not a fan of the Oakland Raiders at all. You may not even be a fan of any team. You just enjoy making people feel bad. Nice life bro.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
And Oakglenn, your guilt trips about me being “giddy” has to be the most disingenuous b.s. I’ve ever seen out of you. Had things gone the other way last night, my god you would have been on a tear boasting to me about how right you were. Oh, and you also would have been in here right after the game, instead of almost an entire day after the game, you stupid clown.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
You have never heard me in here saying Al Davis continues to be a tremendous personnel guy. What I have said is we needed a #1 WR Davis went out and got one. We needed a safety, Davis went out and got one. I have also said, firing the owner is not going to happen. Does Davis need help in the personnel department???? Clearly yes. Where have I said otherwise??
September 9th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
RaiderDogg, should I pack my bags for this guilt trip? You make it sound like I was the one who built this lousy ass team. My god, if I had any control over the Raiders, believe me you’d see at least one blitz per game.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I mentioned the following last night and it may be unfair to every think it? I’m not sure and I may be totally wrong, but that is:
We all know that Al Davis is the problem. We’re not sure if he’s controlling Rob Ryan, but it’s possible and Ryan isn’t standing up to AL, he rather collect his check and the hell to the Raiders defense.
But, aside from that, why isn’t Jim Otto opening his pie-hole and telling Al how bad the defense is being run and that Al Needs to keep his “brain-rot” out of it.
Why aren’t Plunkett and Flores and even Greg Papa opening up their pie-holes and telling Al Davis the same thing. Or, are they keeping their pie-holes shut in order to collect those pay checks. Do they have an obligation to speak up…they must know the problem is Ryan and Davis?
September 9th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Hey…the Al defenders are now out in force. Almost a full 24 hrs. after the game. My god, it took you guys this long to muster up the courage to get in here? LOL. You guys must have really been shaken up.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
eDDIE rOYAL WAS JUST VOTE INTO THE hALL OF fAME ……. D’ANGELO HALL WILL BE GIVING THE INDUCTION SPEECH
September 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Damn Mr get off of Lane’s dik, im sure Monte wants a few more grandkids.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
I am a long time Raider fan, and will always be a Raider fan.
This is the first time I have ever written on this blog.
I have been reading comments on this blog for about 2 months.
So here is my opinion of what is wrong with the Raiders.
Please tell:
Who fired a coach that went on to lead the Broncos to 2 superbowl victories.
Who hired the “offensive guru” by the name of Art Shell.
Who fired the coach that took our Superbowl Victory away. This one still hurts.
Who hired the “offensive guru” again. What a boring year.
Who sign Tommy Kelly to a big contract that even “Suprised” his agent.
Who gave the big money to Hall and didn’t sign our best corner to a long term contract.
You know his name. AD. I like Kiffen, but we will never know if he can coach if AD is still in charge. At least Kiffen has balls enough to step up and challenge the norm.
For all of you Kiffen haters get a clue. If you want Kiffen to go, who do you think we are going to get to take over. Maybe part three of Art Shell.
My Opinion.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Dogg it’s easy to criticize a team that is 4-12. That does not require unbelievable mental prowess. that is MR in a nutshell. And to come here day in and day out and do that is the definition of gutless cowardice.
The real shame was the crowd last nite was unbelievable. After halftime that crowd was unbelievably drunk.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
C’mon MR. We got our asses kicked pretty good too. You should just sip some juice, put on your cute little 49er jammies and have a cookie. Maybe watch Thomas the train.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
That is not Riverside, he is not an apologist. That is another troll jacking names.
The blame falls on Al Davis, Lane Kiffin, and Rob Ryan PERIOD!!!! And when i say period i dont mean the kind Mr has.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Serverer Raider…post 350:
Ya, I know he traded him, but it’s the same thing. Trading him doesn’t make it right. He should have given Gruden a contract that would have kept him, and we would have that #4 Super Bowl. Call it trade or whatever, Al Screwed up AGAIN. He gave us Callahan in his place. Ya, smart move Al.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Fire that sorry ass coach Al, tell him and his punk ass golf visor to hit the road. He wants so badly to be Jon Gruden its pathetic. Kiffin is saying all the right things, as usual, but hes already begun to wash his hands of this mess. Remember what he said in preseason, these arent his players and things are out of his hands. In other words, it aint his fault we suck. Good coaches dont whine and make excuses Lane. This isnt USC where you got 4 All Americans competing for one spot, hes got to do the best he can with the talent he has to work with. Thats what good coaches do.
Hire me Al, Ill fix this mess. I made Jon Gruden bitches. You think Gruden was the coach of that team? HA! Red Ass Rich was the one they feared. I made Tim Brown cry, punk ass! Ill be the best coach this team has had since Madden, f– that Ill be the best coach this team has every had. I can win under Al, I got his respect and he has mine. Its a win win, Im not gonna stomp my feet and whine about how we need to bring in waiver wire scrubs to get better, or send my resume to Arkansas during the season. Ill whip this sorry group into shape and bring back the mother freakin nastiness of the Raiders!!!! Im Rich Gannon bitch!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
It may have just been one game but the way Hall played makes things look really bad for this team this season. He was playing about 10 yards off on every single play and he got beat underneath on a consistent basis for 5-8 yards. He looked absolutely terrible and the fact is that with Asomugha blanketing his man on the other side, almost every single pass is going to go at Hall. If he continues like this the Raiders won’t win a single game all year (unless they bench that overpriced Pop-Tart).
September 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Oakglenn, like there are only two options: Al being the best personnel guy, or Al not being the best personnel guy. How about Al being an awful personnel guy? Because that’s what he is. That was his team that lost last night. Kiffin wanted Ryan gone. Kiffin did not “facilitate” the Hall trade, no matter what Severeretard says, and wanted a more competitive camp, which wouldn’t have costed Al a dime as everyone was off waivers anyway. Al had his ideas. Wanted Rob Ryan. Wanted DeAngelo Hall. Wanted Walker who was out with menstrual cramps last night. Al wanted this mess. Kiffin wanted a competitive team, even if it were filled with no names. It’s not about Al not being the greatest, no, that’s NOT the debate. It’s about Al being one of the WORST personnel people in the game, with last night being more evidence of it. I warned you to stop trying to bulls’t people in here. Again, Raider fans aren’t as stupid as you think.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Same old story, same old song and dance. We keep drinking the coolaid every offseason, every preseason, and dont realize that things will not get better until someone else is at the top running the show and making good personnel decisions. An embarrasment of a product given to us by A.D. The longest running joke in sports noe resides in Oakland.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Jake,
Right on the head…And Ryan doesn’t have the BALLZ to run his OWN defense…
September 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
MR -
No guilt trip intended, just trying to give you some perspective on how you are percieved. You are obviously an intelligent dude but you tend to take way to much joy in others pain for my liking.
You were right, and I have no problem saying it either. It’s the way that you treat people that bothers me.
I do wonder what your trip will be once Al is gone. Will you be a happy guy that looks forward to the future or will you turn on someone else within the organization to keep your fires burning? My money is on the latter. You seem to thrive on negativity.
To put my opinion on record: Rob Ryan ran a high school defense, Kiffin ran a college offense, and Shanahan ran a pro TEAM. The entire Raider organization is to blame, some more than others, but everyone played a part in last night, including your boy Kiffin.
There is much more work to be done and the season is still young.
I have an idea MR, just help us all out by assasinating Al.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
A couple of those plays Hall let his guy go, thinking the safety had him. The safety didn’t. That’s communication. That’s playing together. Kiff should have had them play a little more in preseason, not try to wing it on the job during the season. You wing it in the regular season in the NFL, and it’s going to be a looooong season.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
<<>>
What is one thing that has been a constant throughout the losing streak? Rob Ryan D coord. He has been here since goddamn ‘04. I am tired of hearing that we have to give him a chance, because he has had 4 years to get it right and he hasn’t got it right yet. It is personnel, execution, coaching, scheme. All of it lies with the coords to motivate their squads with a plan that works. Ya’ feel me? I mean, nowadays, the head coach just sets the agenda for the practices and sets the gameplan, and works with the off. coord to call the plays on gameday. Stuff like that. The coordinators execute their respective segments of the team. Greg Knapp has his work cut out for him too, don’t get me wrong, that is evident. And we have seen improvement believe it or not.
But for 4 years running, Rob Ryan fails. Straight up.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
We need a new defensive coordinator immediately, anything associated w/ rob ryan’s defensive scheme is unbearable, this team needs a tampa2/cover2/blitzing team, before watching last night i anticipated the broncos sh**ttn on their own pants, our defense didnt have any exceptional moments at ALL, “In 2009 w/ the first overall pick the raiders select?”…loosing in oakland is inevitable.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Does anyone care what MoRon thinks????? I didn’t think so.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Oakglenn:
Where were you last night…MR was calling you. He was saying: “Come out and play Oakglenn,” but you were no where to be found. Where were you hiding?
September 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Al has earned the right to go out on his own terms, and hes got at least 20 years to live. Get used to him punk asses! Im Rich Gannon bitch!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I have to agree with MR on this one.
The fact is, Al Davis is one of the greatest minds to ever grace the NFL. Al Davis is currently one of the worst personnel men in the NFL.
He used to be great. He’s not anymore. Until he lets go of the reins, the Raiders are destined to be the dregs of the NFL.
From awful free agent acquisition and trades to the horrendous drafts of the past two years. The biggest problem is that they keep compounding their mistakes by trying to fix the old problems instead of addressing the new problems.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
For all you Kiffin haters … how did Kiffin lose the game. JR doesn’t fumble the ball McFadden scores and ties up the game or maybe in the fricken ref calls PI on Miller they would have scored. Higgins drops the ball on the reverse … great call. JR misses a WIDE OPEN Curry TWICE … yes it’s Kiffin’s fault.
41 points scored against … that’s where they lost … who’s in charge of the defense … RR or AD … that’s who got out coached and should be fired. I guess Kiffin was 100% correct in wanting to fire Ryan then he could have brought in Monte who is the best DC in the league in the last 10 years.
You guys need to give your head a shake … everyone knows what the problem is with the Raiders and it’s not the head coach.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Holy smack! I know I’m not reading what I think I’m reading. I respect yall’s opinions and you know who I talking about but blaming Kiffin for this charade is borderline in complete denial.
I know some of you may be in cahoots with the defense and have the inside slant, but lets call a spade a spade – it is what it is – THEY STUNK BIG TIME! Many years running now we have put of with these disappointments on defense. I for one have seen enough.
You never (or very rarely) saw me bag on Rob Ryan. You prob didn’t hear me call for is “firing” like so many other bloggers. Its not my style. I’m very collective and thoughtful of most things. But that charade last night gives me no other alternative than to seek his departure from this great Nation.
Blaming Kiffin is like missing the broad side of a barn. No kidding. The offense wasn’t perfect but it sure as hell wasn’t as bad as the defense. The offense suffered from bad breaks. The defense suffered from INCOMPETENCE! The offense moved the ball. The defense couldn’t stop the ball from moving damn near all game.
I mean really. JRich says they called 2 blitzes all game – All Game. And that is in the face of ZERO pass rush and ZERO QB hurries getting this great secondary embarrassed. And what does Rob Ryan do to further his cause when 4 are not getting there? He calls a 3-4 defense and drops EVERYONE in coverage. Witnessing that was UNREAL!! Its been 24hrs and I’m still shaking my head in disbelief.
That’s incompetence people. That’s not putting you players in position to make plays – its not helping your players on the field.
All preseason we hear of is 2 shut down corners will allow us to bring the pressure more often and w/ confidence this year – Aso and Hall can handle it. And what did Rob Ryan come out with Monday night for 4Qs nonetheless? 2 blitzes, zero pressure.
5 years of this sht is enough. This defense has the talent. I can only be but so patient with piss poor performances year in and year out. But I CANNOT be patient with blatant incompetence.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Bishop I agree with you. That defense last nite completely sucked ass. No excuses. They never had an answer. Not once. At that point the emperor has no clothes. Ryan clearly has to be on notice.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I saw Oakglenn at the Penthouse Gentleman’s Club last night. He was still there when I left around 2 am.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Thec Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
El dirty, I hate the dis-chargers so i will be pulling for the donkeys in that one. I have had to put up with a lot of crap from these fans.
thec
If I was sitting in the cellar of the AFC for the last 5 years I’d show alittle more respect for those above me. I’d be calling them Chargers and Broncos. Show a little respect and you might get some back. If you showed a little more respect to your masters maybe they wouldn’t rub it in so bad every time you lose. Gawd, you have to be sick of getting dissed all the time.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Severer Raider…post 407:
I surely don’t see it that way. Kiffin is doing a great job in my mind. He has no defense, he has an owner who lives in the past and doesn’t allow him to do his job. The kid, in his 2nd year is doing just fine.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I thought while the Raiders did have some real areas of concern the real problem was Cutler and to a lesser extent Royal.It would seem to beat Denver from now on your going to need to keep Cutler of the field much like Manning.I don’t recall seeing to many qb’s in the league with his overall talent package and he seems to be getting better.So playing Denver run the ball run the ball and then run it some more.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Hey Spider
The Bronco’s had to buy 2 Super Bowls just to have 1 trophy less than the Raiders have, who earned their 3.
How can the Master be less accomplished than the slave? You are a moron.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Terrapin don’t get me wrong here. That team last nite was not prepared. On either side of the ball. The defense was CLEARLY the worst team out there. One more game like that and Ryan should be let go immediately. But still, Kiffin is HEAD COACH. He’s ultimately responsible for having his guys ready on both sides of the ball.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
just heard Kiffin has been fired! Al Davis needs to shove a Snickers up his arse!
This blows.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
What makes all the Kiffin groupies so sure that he can coach? Is it his sparkling 4-13 record? Christ, even Gruden milked 8 wins out of that sorry punk ass Raider team in 98 before I came to save their sorry asses.
Good coaches get the most out of the talent they have to work with, Kiffin aint getting it done. Is this a Super Bowl team? No, but they are capable of doing much better. His ultra vanilla play calling doesnt help either. Run, run, pass, punt. Kiffin wasnt even qualified to call the plays at USC, what the hell is he doing calling the plays for an NFL team? I know youre all in love with the guy cuz he looks like you and all the other visor wearing douches you play golf with on weekends, but he aint getting the job done either. You can sit there and say Al sucks and Rob Ryan sucks but then place Kiffin above blame. Doesnt work that way punk asses! Im Rich Gannon bitch!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Slappy, the problem wasn’t Cutler or Royal. The problem was the lack of a pass rush and DeAngelo Hall.
Hall played absolutely god-awful last night. He never once played up on Royal and gave him almost 10 yards on every single play. The big plays against the LBs and safeties could have been avoided if Cutler hadn’t had 5-6 seconds to look down the field.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
The worst part of last night was the fact that it could have been MUCH MUCH worse. Rat took his claws off the gas and started running right up the gut…even then Rob Ryan’s defense could not hold them under 5 yards per carry…unreal.
Rat? That’s Mr. Shannahan to you. No wonder you guys are such looooozers. The karma in your nashun is so bad that you will never crawl out of the cellar. If you don’t start showing more respect to Mr. Shannahan I’m going ask him not to take his foot off the gas next time and really run up the score on your pathetic faders.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Right now we have two choices: turn on each other and the team or hunker down, get in a bunker mentality and start fighting. It’s either A or B.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I think the lack of any pass rush made it extremely difficult on all of the secondary, especially Hall. Cutler had all day everytime he dropped back.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Oakglenn Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
“Kiffin is HEAD COACH. He’s ultimately responsible for having his guys ready on both sides of the ball.”
If he has them ready and your DC has them out of position … who gets the blame. The coach right … because he should fire the DC which he tried and failed.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Spider -
see post #450 you tool
September 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I just crawled out of Shanarat’s a$$ and boy are my lips tired! Show some respect gosh darn it!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Who said Kiffin got fired? Wills Da Raider?
September 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
RaiderDogg, the lack of a pass rush made it hard on the defense but Hall made his OWN problems. Trust me, I was at the game so I could see the sides of the field on every single play and Hall played 10 yards off his guy every down. He looked like a high-schooler. He left Gibril Wilson on an island multiple times and gave up so many short passes for 5-8 yards that it was pathetic. I guarantee that even WITH a pass rush, Royal still would have had a ton of receptions and yards because of how Hall was playing him.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Just heard it on ESPN Radio. Kiffin is done and Paul Hackett will be the HC. Al Must Die! I am cleaning my 9mm as I type this.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
At the game I actually told my Dad that I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kiffin fired after this game, ONLY because it was against Mike Shanahan. I certainly hope that those reports are false but I guess we will find out soon enough. It isn’t reported anywhere else yet so it isn’t likely to be true.
Honestly, Kiffin hasn’t done anything wrong. He has tried his best with poor personnel and poor defensive coordinator.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
JD -
I did see Hall playing off quite a bit but I guarantee you his problems would have been minimal if Cutler was pressured at all. He literally had 7 to 8 seconds every dropback. That is an eternity for any secondary to be expected to cover someone.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Thec
my boss is a Donkey fan ugghhh!
Does your boss know that you called him a donkey fan? Gawd that would suck, having your team smacked and getting canned in the same week.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
I don’t disagree with the lack of pass rush but it had nothing to do with the completions against Hall. Most of the completions to Hall were hot routes. They went to his guy because he was playing so far off. Most of the completions to his side of the field were thrown within the first second or two.
The problem was that Hall wasn’t actually COVERING.
Now, the long plays that went against the LBs and safeties were definitely the fault of no pressure.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Anyways, if Kiffin really had been fired already it would be on ESPN.com, NFL.com, and the NFL Network already. It isn’t mentioned on any of those places so it hasn’t happened yet. That doesn’t mean it won’t though. In my opinion, it would be a mistake but I wouldn’t be surprised either.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I hope you’re joking, Dakota
September 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
**Troll Alert**
Probably MR cuz I pissed him off or whatever, but my last post was #435.
Whoever is using my moniker, I am flattered.
JD and whoever else I was “talking” to, it wasn’t me.
One Nation.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
That was one of the most pathetic performances I have seen from the horrible Raiders. That game was like the last five years rolled into one except for maybe some missed FGs and a few INTs.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I doubt Kiffin is fired but I wouldnt be surprised if he is on the phone with Pete Carroll trying to get his old job back. Punk ass f–kstick, f– him and his visor! Dude isnt even qualified to be a D1 head coach and yet some Raider fans think hes Vince Lombardi. Im Rich Gannon bitch!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
I think all my posts were to you were before your troll showed up.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Yeah JD,
Lack of a pass rush and D Hall were two of the thing I was thinking of when I said some real areas of concern.But I couldn’t help thinking during the game what if we hadn’t taken Michael Huff and taken Cutler..what if..then to make myself feel better I said well at least we didn’t take Leinart which is really where everyone thought the pick was going.We handled Cutler pretty well last year but this doesn’t look like the same player to me.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I don’t get it. How can some of you say the problem is Kiffen when we have sucked for the past five years? What’s the common denominator here? The owner. Al Davis is the problem. He hired Turner, Shell, and when no one else wanted the job because he’s a horrible, meddlening, owner he hired Kiffen. Now he wants to fire Kiffen and hire Loften I guess. Think things will be any better? Our defense sucks, and has sucked. Why? Cause Davis only wants to play a certain defensive scheme. I’ve been a Raider fan for over 30 years and I’ve seen Davis ruin our team the last five. No one wants to come here; he has to over pay them to come here. Would you want to play for a dysfunctional team like this? Of course not. These free agents aren’t the best of the best. They are here for the money; no other reason. You don’t see successful teams overpaying free agents to play for them. It’s called competition. They want to play for a winning team. Which isn’t and hasn’t been the Raiders. Thanks Al for nothing!
September 9th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Firing Kiffin would accomplish nothing. I am convinced that the offense is going to be pretty good but last night they were back on there heals from the getgo. It is hard for an offense to get any cohesivness when the other team is going on long scoring drives almost everytime they have the ball. Replacing Ryan could make a difference.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
lou Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
When shannarat and his players were on the sideline laughing… really made me feel like shiet. There is no doubt who has control of that team and the same can be said for ours,
That shannarat that you refer to is Mr. Shannahan and not only does he have control of his team but he has control over yours as well. And NO they weren’t laughing with you, they were laughing at you. I think that you owe Mr. Shannahan an apology for what you called him. Maybe if greazeball al pays him the money he owes Shanny and you apopogize to him he won’t double the score on you at Mile High?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Kiffin wanted Ryan gone…now i see why!! The D sucks!! No Blitzing, no coverage, and Nnamdi with the hit of the night was the only one playing last night….just my 2 cents.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
If you ask me Kiffins “O” was prepared and fine, but the game just got out of hand after JR fumbled. The defense just couldn’t stop (and i’m not sure why i’m calling it a “defense” anymore until they prove otherwise).
If the defense can’t stop every stalled drive on offense makes the situation worse – it makes them look that much worse. And the scoreboard just lights up like a Christmas Tree.
We all know the offense isn’t there yet to be able to mount a consistent attack every series. No offense is that good anyways save NE last year. But thats the situation the defense put them in.
JRussell passer rating of 111.1 and it could’ve even been better if Curry could manage to maintain some consistency (but wait, dropping some and catching some is consistent in a way). The offense looked way better than the defense in comparison. Kiffin doesn’t call the defense.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
The D was bad, but can get better with more aggressive ply calling; the offense can get better if the play calling becomes more aggressive; forget being conservative, get after it every down..blitz, bomb, run, attack
September 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Terrapin..give it up!We can see what happened for ourselves!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Kick the field goal, get a possible stop, maybe a different game, but it was what it was…
September 9th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Kevin
You are incorrect….Asomuagh let his guy go right by him on the play action pass that Huff missed the tackle on…
It was cover 2…he played the flat…got no jam on the WR…didn’t even tough him…
Didn’t cover a soul on the play
September 9th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
408RAIDER Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Dirty
Mine sucked as well total buzz kill! Plus I had to peal of a hundi to my coworker this morning! This beer isnt making me feel any better! I just know we better beat the isht outta the chefs or its gonna be a long season!
There you go again! I bet if you call the Chiefs, “chef” one more time Herm is going to run the score up on you more than Shanny did last night. When are you loooozers ever gonna learn?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Elkins – you just want to be the HC but it aint gonna happen lol.
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Seriously though: One telling fact that Kiffin pointed out was our young guys were performing better than the vets save a few. Those “young guys” were all brought in by Kiffin. Most of the guys that performed were “Kiffin” guys. What does that tell ya?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
The 48 yarder to Jackson….Nhamdi did nothing..he played poorly as well!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Terrapin….if it doesn’t…then our team will never win!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Spider Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I just crawled out of Shanarat’s a$$ and boy are my lips tired! Show some respect gosh darn it!
I’m listening to the NFL Network and as they are showing the “BRONCO” highlights from last night, Marshall Faulk, Terrel Davis and some blond chick are laughing at the fader nashun. They can’t imagine how one team could be so inept. Maybe I’ll send them and e-mail and ask them if they think it might be a case of what comes around goes around?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
The defense can perform infinitely better but only if they get more aggressive and start blitzing for a change. What Rob Ryan put on display w/ only 2 blitz calls was beyond belief. That was very revealing of him. If Kiffin can manage to make him more aggressive the defense can be hell to deal with. But I have ZERO confidence in Ryan right now. It sounds simple enough but it has been sounding simple for a long time now.
DHall better practice press coverage. That sht was an embarrassment.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
MR…post 432:
Good post. You’re explaining the problem right on point.
Just like one, two, three. If people can’t see it, then they’re in denial and nothing you can say or do will change their minds. It’s a mind set. Loss cause. Until Al sell the team or gets out of the picture, or moves on to join Upshaw (RIP) nothing will change.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
The Raiders along with the Rams are one of the weakest teams in the league on the offensive and defensive lines. We are just incredibly soft and weak and we can’t win anything at the point of attack. That is why we suck.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
HEY SPIDER — GO GET ME A DRINK, YOU FUKIN PRICK, YOU!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Paul Hackett is going to be the HC of the Raiders! THIS BLOWS!!! HACKETT IS TRASH
September 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Knapp, Cable, Rathman, and 2 other offensive coaches will be on their way to Seattle after this season. Jim Mora Jr. has already verbally agreed to deals with them to bring them on his staff when he takes over the Seahawks next season.
Kiffin will be fired next week if the loss is anything like the Denver one. If he makes it to the bye week with a 1-3 or worse record, he’s gone.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Jason, verify your source
September 9th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
The O line did a decent job pass blocking last night and a good job run blocking. The offense is going to be OK. The defense was the worst I have ever seen in the NFL.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Hey Spider
The Bronco’s had to buy 2 Super Bowls just to have 1 trophy less than the Raiders have, who earned their 3.
How can the Master be less accomplished than the slave? You are a moron.
dogg, ancient history. At one time you WERE the Master, but greazeball cheated Shanny out of his money and there was a revolution. When the smoke cleared the slave became the Master and has used the former master as his own personal whipping boy ever since.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Burgess could miss next week too.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
KoolAid – The OL did a decent job pass blocking?!?! What game were you watching?! Maybe they did a decent job relative to the gong shows we’ve put on the field recently.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Bishop916…post 437:
I believe 9 out of 10 Raider fans see the problem is Rob Ryan. For the life of me I can’t understand so much failure in one person for such a “long stretch” of time.
Ryan is beyond bad, he’s off the map. Even if Al Davis is telling him what to do, he has to step up and take some responsibility. You can’t let someone continue to sh&t in your face, when the job you’re doing is being seen by all the other owners and coaches in the league. Ryan actually dropped (11) men back on one play last year…rushed no one. Incredible!
Ryan also ran his mouth about how ten teams would sign him up within two minutes. If that’s true, why doesn’t he just go. Al is probably telling him what to do, but Ryan has to have some leeway. So I still blame Ryan and I feel that he’s there for the check. I feel for Kiffin in that he tried to get rid of Ryan last year, but “know-it-all” Davis kept him anyway and now we’re paying the price of Al’s stupid decision to keep Ryan.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Hopefully Jerry Mac can comment on this situation. I hope this gets to Adam Schefter. Only Adam breaking this kind of news might piss old Al off from firing Kiffin. Al Davis is such a SOB and I hope he dies soon.
REPEAT POST:
Knapp, Cable, Rathman, and 2 other offensive coaches will be on their way to Seattle after this season. Jim Mora Jr. has already verbally agreed to deals with them to bring them on his staff when he takes over the Seahawks next season.
Kiffin will be fired next week if the loss is anything like the Denver one. If he makes it to the bye week with a 1-3 or worse record, he’s gone.
Paul Hackett is going to be the HC of the Raiders! THIS BLOWS!!! HACKETT IS TRASH
September 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Fire Rob Ryan now!!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Still pissed over the game I know for a fact Fabian Washington coulda covered the rookie in the game while our second round pick put some pressure on the big insulin needle, or better yet Fabian could have covered him in practice cause we picked him with our second pick in the draft, but I digress its painful to watch the decline of the Raiders, Al Davis I love him without him there is no Raidernation, but this has to stop I wish we could do like the Packer fans and buy the team out from under him before he moves the Raiders back to LA or Butte or wherever the hell he can get a sweetheart deal. I sooooo sick of this losingand if they go into the bye week 1-3 James Lofton Rob Ryan or Bill Callahan might be coaching the team, this crap just sickens me
September 9th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
ROB RYAN MUST GO 08!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Calm down, folks — It’s just one game. Half the NFL is 0-1 right now, including some teams expected to go deep into the playoffs.
Do you think it hurts us more or less than it hurts San Diego to be 0-1 right now? I guarantee you, it hurts exactly the same.
Fans shouldn’t be embarrassed — they can change their allegiances as easily as taking off their hats (and many do, due to their own weakness of character). But players and coaches, GM’s and owners all should be plenty embarrassed, and determined to rebound with a better effort next week. Not the rest of the year, but next week.
And when next week gets here, they need to worry about the next play — not the last play, or the last play of the game. The next play, period. That’s coaching 101, and that’s where the coaches failed this team.
Kiffin? Failed by not playing the right players at certain times, especially when the starters didn’t get the job done. Staying with Fargas and McFadden exclusively was a failure. It’s quite possible the best complete RB on this team didn’t even get into the game until the 4th quarter. Michael Bush deserved better, as did the rest of the team. The offensive play-calling wasn’t that bad — except we didn’t back-up the Denver D by stretching the field. Curry is not the burner, and he shouldn’t be the guy 40-yards downfield imitating one. The young guys — inexperience and all — should’ve been used more effectively. McFadden was misused about half of his plays, while Kiff was trying to make a point establishing him as an iside threat.
Also — score out of reach or not — there should’ve been an onside kick after each Raiders score…instill a fighting spirit and never-say-die attitude in this team of non-achievers. Laying down was weak BS. Kiffin blew his chance to coach this team right to the finish, ugly as it was.
Ryan? Reinforced his failures as a coach. Good drinking buddy maybe, but certainly no leader of men. DeAngelo Hall needed to be yanked, at least for a few plays. Then, he needed to have his head yanked-off and put back on in the right direction. Yelling at your players (friends) after the score is basically out of hand means nothing, except you’re pi$$ed off. Who wasn’t? Poor scheme and poor execution = poor game. And, RR can’t adjust on the fly — much like the great Raider Art Shell was as a head coach. RR’s failures as a leader are exacerbated with every loss — close or blowout.
The players? Especially on D, they should be the most embarrassed of all — especially the guys breaking their own arms telling the world how good they are. Hall and Morrison especially showed their weaknesses, and no matter how Kiff wants to soften the blow, they should’ve been called to task for their blown assignments. The D-line? Not as bad as in the recent past…just thankful Richardson was all-out, all night. No quit, and lots of pride.
Al? Al didn’t draft to my satisfaction the past few years, but he certainly didn’t miss a single tackle last night. He didn’t set the defense, and he didn’t tell Kiff what to call, who to play, or when to play them. Al’s failings as a GM are no different than any other GM/owners’ are, and at some point his coaches need to coach and his players need to play. On paper and on the field, this team has as much talent as half the teams in the NFL. Ostensibly, that should mean we should be about middle-of-the-road in W-L columns, but we all know we haven’t been. Given that kind of talent (at least middle-ish), the coaches need to be held accountable.
RR should’ve been let go before Kiffin ever showed up, but now it’s too early in this season to do it. Another debacle next week, and it needs to be done regardless. 0- or 1- and anything by the Bye Week, and RR and Kiff should both be gone.
This team isn’t that team…..but back in the day, the Oakland Raiders were absolutely destroyed by the Patriots 48-17 in mid-season. A complete destruction if there ever was one, and an embarrassment to all involved wearing Silver & Black. That team was stacked with Hall Of Famers, and went on to win the Super Bowl in dominating fashion after the ‘76 season.
This team can be better than last year — and as I’ve been saying all along, 8-8 would be a great, achievable step forward. But, it needs to happen one play at a time, and it needs to be done by breaking-down opponents and matching-up to them play after play. That’s done by coaching what you’ve got. This staff has the talent to get there, and just like their players, they all need to learn how to get over their own self-created bad luck.
There is no birth-right to winning football games and championships. Hard work, successful planning, and players who succeed against all odds are how these things happen. An a$$-kicking to start the season isn’t the end of the year…but a repeat any time soon will spell doom for this team (and head coach) trying to grow up.
Raider On!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Well loooozers, it’s been fun and it’s been real but it hasn’t been real fun (that is for you loooozers). Guess I’ll blow this joint and let you looooozers get back to your circle jerk. I’ll probably come back to see what excuses you come up with after the Chiefs give you another good old fashion azz whupping.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Oh no …. we suck again!
September 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
EVERYBODY READ THIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully Jerry Mac can comment on this situation. I hope this gets to Adam Schefter. Only Adam breaking this kind of news might piss old Al off from firing Kiffin. Al Davis is such a SOB and I hope he dies soon.
REPEAT POST:
Knapp, Cable, Rathman, and 2 other offensive coaches will be on their way to Seattle after this season. Jim Mora Jr. has already verbally agreed to deals with them to bring them on his staff when he takes over the Seahawks next season.
Kiffin will be fired next week if the loss is anything like the Denver one. If he makes it to the bye week with a 1-3 or worse record, he’s gone.
Paul Hackett is going to be the HC of the Raiders! THIS BLOWS!!! HACKETT IS TRASH
September 9th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Paul Hackett is going to be the HC of the Raiders! THIS BLOWS!!! HACKETT IS TRASH
Kiffin will be fired next week if the loss is anything like the Denver one. If he makes it to the bye week with a 1-3 or worse record, he’s gone.
Knapp, Cable, Rathman, and 2 other offensive coaches will be on their way to Seattle after this season. Jim Mora Jr. has already verbally agreed to deals with them to bring them on his staff when he takes over the Seahawks next season.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Oh! I forgot! You guys better get to bed early tonight so that you can wake up tomorrow morning and see the beautiful orange and blue sunrise. It’s supposed to be extra spectacular tomorrow and the next day and the next day and…..
September 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
If Uncle Al is telling Ryan not to blitz, Ryan has to be man enough to ignore Davis. If Ryan doesn’t have the balls to do the right thing, he’s the wrong man for the job.
If these pansy coaches do their own thing and succeed then Davis will not fire them. If they continue to fail while doing what Davis tells them to do they will be fired and may not ever get another job.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
From a real newspaper.
“This was no fluke. This was the anti-fluke. This was the future.
Do not consider that the Raiders might very well be as awful as they seemed, granted, that is a very bad football team in Oakland, and not just bad but muddled and aimless, like one of those playground pick-up crews in it for the exercise.
To think that 33-year-old coach Lane Kiffin is going to pull it altogether is to believe that Tinker Bell is a teamster.
But that’s the Raiders’ problem, securely as awful as they were supposed to be. The only way from here is up.
The Broncos are looking down from the top of the standings, the only undefeated team in the division, while San Diego, everybody’s darling, found a way to lose its opener to Carolina, all the more painful because it came in the final seconds.
Kansas City managed to lose and shake up all of football, delivering New England quarterback Tom Brady to the infirmary, to next year, thereby making the NFL playing field not only even but tilting it a bit away from Foxborough.
Many of the darlings of the AFC, not just the Chargers, took it on the chin. The Indianapolis Colts anointed their new home with the humiliation of losing to the Bears, while Jacksonville and Cleveland lost as well.
Only the Steelers were nearly as impressive as the Broncos, and they were supposed to be.
But no team has a player with a stronger arm than Cutler, better moves than Royal, a better end-zone instinct than Michael Pittman, more awareness than Webster, a sense of purpose more pronounced than Elvis Dumervil, a coach with greater leadership than Shanahan, a kicker with greater leg than . . .
September 9th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
90 percent of our problem yesterday was on defense. Rob Ryan should have been fired last year, and should be fired now. No sacks? No hurries? No interceptions? No coverage? Give me a break.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
They should have given the contract to Asomugha instead Hall.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
What happened to the Raider of old. If Gene Upshaw was watching the game he would be shaking his head in disgust. Al should retire and let Kiff do his job.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Hayezdaze#37, what up Bro havent seen your name posted in a while, you must keep a birds eye view. I hear what you are saying in your last post but i think i can speak for most of the NATION in that we cant change allegiance. we are committed to this team, and we are committed to being members of the NATION. I live in san diego, and i get it all the time from dis-charger fans. Have i ever thought about switching, absolutly not. I am a member of the NATION for life. We go 0-20 i will still be here and on the other blogs talking NATION. I guess we ALL are tired of the losing and we NEED some results NOW.
It would be great if this franchise were run like a true NFL sports franchise. Look at things from a business perspective 1 person can only do so much. If 1 person tries to wear to many hats the business will sufffer. that is why you hire people such as GM, and personel department to handle these little nuiaces.
right now i am pissed off but I still Love the NATION ande what it means, just tired of losing, and being embarrassed.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
we need to all take signs to the Game thas say.
“Rob Ryan must go!”
Not Lane Kiffin, Rob Ryan, not a damn Blitz the last 5 years, his dad must be sick.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Oakglibb, as if you couldn’t get more retarded.
We have two options, to either turn on each other, or start hunkering down? Hunkering down? Hunker down, then what?
Sure, let’s hunker down. Let’s hunkder down, and fire Rob Ryan, Oakglenn.
Then let’s hunker down and make the team blitz more.
While we’re at it, let’s hunker down and balance the state budget.
Any other responsibilities you want us to hunker down and be accountable for, OakGlibb, let us know.
Oakglibb, nobody is turning on each other, you dumb ass. We’re turning on Al Davis. Then, in turn, YOU are turning on us. And, it started months ago.
Your use of war time terminology is frightening. Most American sports fans agreed to stop doing this after 9/11 but I guess you never got the memo.
You go ahead, Oakglibb. Hunker down and prepare for the next battle. The rest of us are going to go to work, be with our families, live our lives, attend or watch the next Raider game, praise Al Davis if we kick ass yet on the other hand rip him if we don’t. Get a clue, OakGlibb.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
i’m a kiff fan but mcfadden was under used and bush didn’t touch the field!
Fargas.. i love him to death but 6 yards… we need a threat! we had 6 yards last year. if this is the way we’re going then we should have drafted a DT!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
rob ryan does suck, he is a traitor…. he mys as well be on the donkoes coaching staff…
September 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
props to shanahan for being so creative w/a rookie. i thought mcfadden would have that role!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
rob ryan shows all these blitzes during pre sea and wnat does he do? run a weird as man scheme that gives up 41 points. I am so fu@king embarrased i want to hit something……
September 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Just read the article about the brawling at the coliseum. Dude sucker punched a cop? Notice we haven’t seen Brien in here today….
September 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
we need a dl, a mlb (sorry fans of espn highlights), and a DE.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
oh yeah.. how about a cb who can cover! not a top 20 cb… everyone knows that but espn. he’s a playmaker but not even close to a shutdown cb. i wrote it here yesterday… 12 passes to him… and he’ll see on film he’s not in the same league as namdi! i loved the props Namdi received last night!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Al davis your a great man but you need to retire.
rob ryan you need to be thrown in jail for impersonating a football coach you fu@king traitor.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
week 1 spider. but go ahead and let it out. however, i’m rolling up my newspaper!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
All I have to say after this game is that we need to put it behind us and keep it moving. Most importantly, Nnamdi should be lined up with the opponent’s best receiver every down. I know that Royal was unexpected, but after a while I’m sure we could have put Nnamdi on him every down. Hall is obviously overrated. Ever since we got him, I wasn’t excited. With that said, if he doesn’t show up next game either, we should just start Routt over him.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Whats makes me laugh is that guy on t.v. holding the Kiffin must go sign, when Rob Ryan is the DC that did not blitz all night.
If Kiffin had his say, RR would not be here!
Place blame where it is due!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Fire Rob Ryan now!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
If Kiffin is fired before our first win this year we really might make history and put up the first goose egg for a season. We definitely will if Lofton is the guy. Hackett might get us to our ongoing organizational goal of 5-11. He at least knows how to build an offense. But of course, if he’s serious about winning he’s going to get impatient with Al’s b.s. decisions, start hitting back either subtly or openly, and he’ll be in Al’s doghouse, too. Just get used to a lot of losing till the old man finally faces the fact that he can’t build a team anymore.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
how bored was our best player last night? couldn’t he blitz? follow the receiver in motion going away from his side (like hayes and haynes did). What’s up w/playing receiver man to man on only your side????? I remember the cbs going in motion with their man. my coach told me to shadow and when he goes for a drink of water wipe his mouth with a towel! We wasted our best player. That is totally inneficient!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
MoRon you say the same things over and over and over and over and over and over…ad nauseum. Try something new.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
inefficient
September 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
look blame the secondary if you want but for those of you who were talking about coverage sacks that S#!t is a myth, just like the easter bunny, and santa claus.
coverage sacks = rob ryan = zero
ryan is a traitor, captain kirk should f@ck him up….
or better yet call his own plays, and say go to hell ryan you fat a$$ slob, and them thow him the middle finger…..fat fu@k
September 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Spider Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
“Hey Spider
The Bronco’s had to buy 2 Super Bowls just to have 1 trophy less than the Raiders have, who earned their 3.
How can the Master be less accomplished than the slave? You are a moron.
dogg, ancient history. At one time you WERE the Master, but greazeball cheated Shanny out of his money and there was a revolution. When the smoke cleared the slave became the Master and has used the former master as his own personal whipping boy ever since.”
Spider -
you were responding to my troll, although my troll may be on to something here. Either way, you may consider your own words and realize that What Goes Around Comes Around. It’s only a matter of time that you will be eating your words, so you may want to cut back on the BS. You are borderline obsessed with a team that you hate. Seems a tad bit strange don’t you think?
September 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Jim Fassel will be the next coach of the Raiders. Al will demote Kiffin to OC or Kiffin will quit and lose his money.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Hall was beat when the ref blew the whistle to start the clock. he said him and namdi are 2 and 3! hahah i laughed then and i laugh now. I told everyone he will be exposed coming to the opposite side of namdi. He must have felt like an 1raqi be shot at from every angle!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Is Al Davis in a coma?
Rob Ryan is the worse coach in the NFL, even my 3 month old baby boy could see that!
Why does Kiffin take the heat for something Rob Ryans does???
September 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
*Rob Ryan*
September 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
How in the F@CK are you going to get a coverage sack with zero pressure? What cb in the world can cover for 5,6,7,8 seconds at a time. that double move that they young one put on hall how much time did cutlerk have?
coverage sacks = rob ryan’s dumb traitor A$$.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
In order for Rob Ryan to be FIRED….Al Davis would have to Fire himself!! Al believes in the no BLITZ, Man on Man Coverage of 30 years ago!!! They both are at FAULT here!!!
And this is comming from a person who has DEFENDED Al Davis for a LONG time!!
I think it’s time that he STEP aside and let his SON take OVER!!
But PLEEEASE NOT AMY TRASK!!!
NOOOOOO!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
spider… what good is winning if you’re not WINNING! Get it? sound like a charger fan! lol. 1 playoff win in 10 years??? are you f’n kidding me???
September 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
MR is a turd like creature.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
K-rock….
I have to admit I would be ok with Fassel, he took a team to the superbowl this decade…..
September 9th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Kiffin is catching heat too because the offense couldn’t execute and showed a huge lack of discipline. That’s on the coach. He seemed unprepared, so much so that he asked Suzy Kolber for suggestions coming out of the locker room after the half! I can see it now, Mike Shanahan and Lame Kiffin sharing a glass of vino, and sharing a good laugh about how they just stuck it to Al on national TV.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Dakota, you said you heard on ESPN radio Kiffin was out? I’m at ESPN.com in another tab and not a peep. Sure it wasn’t just someone speculating? Anyhow, it’s likely to happen.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Kiffin would be my first choice, we bring someone else in we start the whole process over again. 3 more years before playoffs 2 possible losing seasons…….
September 9th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Hell, I’d bring Norv Turner back, just GET RID OF RYAN!!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Hall was burned off the ball.
DID YOU ALL SEE THE KEY TO STOPPING (OR CONTAINING) THE ROOKIE FROM DENVER???????? NAMDI figured it out and got a penalty.
that’s my last clue.. someone provide the answer.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Jim Fassel was at Raiders camp wearing Raider gear. He interviewed for the job before Kiffin was hired.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I would LOVE to see Brian Bilick (RAVENS) as our NEW HC!!! He did’nt just take a REAL DEFENSIVE team to the Super Bowl!!! He KICKED the NFL’s ASS!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
OakGlibb, stop being devisive. We need to hunker down. Hunker down, man.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
What pisses me off is this douchebag Cutler calls out Hall suring his postgame pc sayng “he got beat time and time and time and time again.” Maybe he did but as a pro you don’t just say that. Do you hear any of the top qbs making ocmments like that? I’ve never heard Manning or Brady calling out an apposing DB like that after the game. That jackass better watch his mouth or some teams may retaliate against him (ie, cheap shots) in the future.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Jammed him off the line
September 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I don’t care who the coach is here as long as……..
1) They have a say so.
2) They have long term employment, I Kown our bad play comes from changing systems every year.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
last chance. how do you contain him? what did namdi do that resulted in a penalty by the rook???? what is it hall refuses to do because he’s not a lock down DB?
September 9th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I hope JRUSS is a strong minded person, he will be looking a t another HC, and OC in less than a year.
I hope he is stronger than alex smith……
September 9th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
MR is turd like creature who wear 49er hat.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
RAIDER DOGG YOU ARE THE WINNER!
NAMDI CAME UP ON HIM AND HE MOVED BACK OFF THE LINE AND WAS CALLED FOR AN ILLEGAL FORMATION. SO HE GOES BACK TO HALL’S SIDE WHERE HE’ 8 YARDS OFF THE BALL!!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
jim post #555
September 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
We need somebody like a Sarah Palin in the organization to enforce change!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
RaiderAlex…99:..post 443:
Excellent post, well explained. The problem is there are many knuckle-heads who can’t see day from night. They’re going to ignore the obvious. They’ll only see the light when you stick you foot of their a&&es.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
RAIDERDOGG; HOW THE F’ did that not get caught and relayed down to the f’n field? Why did we not adapt and change up???
September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
What’s with the 10-15 yard cushion D.Hall was giving? Our corners should have been pressing these young wide outs at the line to throw off Cutlers timing. This is pass D 101. On the O- side of the ball: Nice job by JR in a tough situation. And cnograts to Justin Fargas for being our only player to take it to them! Showed how to man up and keep fighting!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
anyone recall a single defensive adjustment?
September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Jim
So why didn’t Nnamdi float and follow Royal wherever he lined up? Is Rob Ryan that blind or am I wrong in thinking this?
September 9th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Raider Glory, Brian Billick wouldn’t work for Al Davis in a million years. Do you not think Brian Billick gets the newspaper, not to mention has a direct pipeline to the fraternity of NFL coaches who’ve been feeling sorry for Kiffin all summer long? Billick wouldn’t come here for less than complete control and 30% of the franchise. Anyhow, don’t argue with me. For let us not be divided in this time of war, let us hunker down and prepare for the next battle. The free world is on the line. Raider fans must be united.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Fassel compiled a 58-53-1 record as the New York Giants’ head coach from 1997-2003, leading them to the Super Bowl in 2000, losing to Baltimore. He has interviewed for head coaching jobs in Washington (2004), Buffalo and Oakland. He was Baltimore’s offensive coordinator from 2004-06, but was fired during the season.
Various reports suggest one reason he was canned was because he spent too much time worrying about other head coaching jobs. A league source said Fassel’s philosophy did not mesh with coach Brian Billick’s and that his time there should be ignored.
With Jason Campbell, one appeal could be Fassel’s work with young quarterbacks — notably John Elway at Stanford and Phil Simms with the Giants. He also won the NFC East one year with Danny Kanell.
“That’s darn near a miracle,” the NFL source said.
The Super Bowl team featured Kerry Collins having one of his best seasons.
“The fact that the Giants got to the Super Bowl that year is almost as astonishing as what they’re doing this year,” said CBS analyst Boomer Esiason, who played for Fassel when he was an offensive assistant in Arizona. “He’d be good for the Redskins. I loved his offense.”
Esiason dismissed reports that Fassel wasn’t tough enough in New York.
“He knows how to get in someone’s face,” Esiason said, “and how to hold people accountable.”
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Here is hoping we go into KC and beat the hell out of them, if we lose I think it could be Bye Bye Kiffin.
Although it should be Bye Bye Rob Ryan tonight……
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
LMAO at anyone still paying for Raiderfans.net “inside” info. You may as well burn your money instead of getting taken like that.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Glad we didnt get rid of fargas, he manned up….
cant say the same for that traitor ryan, what if he becomes HC??????
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Has anyone heard from Vince Young!! The last thing I heard was that he was distraught and left home feeling sorry for himself!! O’h yea and he did’nt take his CELL PHONE with him!!!
He must be SUICIDAL!!!
I’m glad we did’nt pick him!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Griffith made some nice catches. i love griffith but Bush should be doing that down field. Correct play calling wrong personnel. bush and mcfadden. fargas should be spotting.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Jim, sure there was a defensive adjustment. Hall started playing further off the line in the second half.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Sorry Jim, I guess I type slow.
Post #564 = Post #567
You tell me bro, I am at a loss.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Raider Dogg: exactly! Namdi was wasted. our best f’n player had nothign to do! WTF. Need to utilize personnel better.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Fellas, Fellas, Fellas, its going to be fine. Denver, unfortunately makes me want to puke saying this, is a hell of a ball club. They most certainly are the real deal. However, give us some time. Things will fall into place, its not how we fall, but how we bounce back up. Watch closely for a big win against KC and another W against those up and coming bills.
Stay positive, There have been worse times for Raider Nation.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
MR, your schtick is funny as hell……
September 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Oh, s’t, these rumors are coming from a fan site’s premium section? Great. You’ll get more reliable info. from Miss Cleo.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
it was a wasted game.
thank God we’re in the afc west! lol!
That was the most basic and pathetic D i’ve ever seen.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
No it was rob ryan sticking it to kiffin, with AL davis looking on. Al should fire himself and take ryan with him….
September 9th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
MR,
Perhaps you’re right!!! What COACH in his right mind would want to come here and deal with Al Davis!!! But if he is not getting offers from anywhere else to coach, he may as well start his comeback with the Silver & Black!!! After All, he did get FIRED,, you know!! He’s not like Bill Cower(Pittsburgh), who can name his next HC job!!
I Vote for BILLICK!!! and thats if Al FIRES KIFF & Ryan….which is highly improbable!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
don’t have an answer.. just more questions. that’s why namdi made so many tackles.. he had nothing to do! he held the edge. our best cover man held the f’n edge on run support w/o any coverage responsibilties.. watch it again and how many times you see him standing there by himself.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Thec — Thanks. I’ve been reading, but too busy the past few weeks to jump in. Nothing much has changed here, especially the anti-whatever crowd fired up since the a$$-whipping.
Al deserves many (not all) of the shots he’s taking…but guess what, people? He’s going nowhere.
It’s time for this team to grow up, period. This isn’t high school, and the team captain isn’t always going to be the coolest guy with the most flowery attitude. This is professional football, and these professionals need to do their jobs as such. Period, end of story.
Every failure last night can be corrected by coaching — every single one. Bad schemes, bad technique, bad play-calling, and poor execution. Where there’s a weakness, cover for it (pun intended) with a strength. Where there is a failure, see why it failed and fix the problem. And no, Al wasn’t even close to being the problem last night. The problem was right down on the field and on the sideline.
This team needs to forge itself a different identity. Every individual (yes, even AL — but this is on the team itself) needs to look in the mirror and decide what they’re going to be. More than embarrassed in the eyes of the public, they should be embarrassed they forgot even the most basic of football fundamentals.
One thing Kiffin was right about — the veterans are the ones to worry about. They let the young guys down…and when the snowball started, they let it continue to grow into an avalanche. They played like rookies, and their mistakes set the tone.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
No k-rock, but if your DCO acts like a bitch and doesnt unleash the dogs your hands are tied. Morrison should call his own plays and say F@CK you ryan, i go this you B!tch….
September 9th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Slow start, hell of a finish, 9-7 or 8-8 record. It’ll be fine.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Yeah I agree Raiderfans.net is a joke, I remember when there “insider” said we signed Jeff Garcia, well it never happened, and he also said Kiffin would not make it to this year and here he is.
They censor EVERY thing you say, and BK is a dumb ass this blog is way more insightful.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
We need to hire Gruden after he gets fired from Tampa, he was a great heaad coach.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I hate anybody whose name is AL, it’a a sickness that can only be cured with norcos.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
we need to hire Buddy RyaN!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I vote for Fassel. Bring in someone who can run a pro offense and maybe even draw a staff that will work together.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
RUSSELL is the real deal. They need to let this kid do his thing.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
With the Raiders down 17-0 lst and 10 at midfield with 3 minutes to go in the half, the reverse call was ridiculous. Jam had just hit 3 or 4 passes and just missed hitting curry for 40 yards. Fargas just busted a 10 yard run. Denver was on it’s heals. YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD TO GET POINTS RIGHT THERE. Even a field goal. That would bring you within 14 and you get the ball to start the 2nd half. You were only 10-15 yards away with all your timeouts. How much is a reverse going to get??? 7-8 yards? And the chances are just as great you’ll lose 10. Well, that reverse lost 15 and killed the drive.
Look, I’m a big time Kiff guy but he made some calls that did not help. The reverse call was one.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Glory
The problem with Billick is he is known as an Offensive Coach. He was initially hired by Baltimore from Minnesota to turn around the Raven offense believe it or not. He is not a Defensive coach. He had great DC’s in Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan and even Robo’s brother Rex. I like his style as a coach but he would need to bring in a decent DC to rival Baltimore’s old D.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
if we’re deciding that we’ll pay DTs all that money to pick grass out of the back of their shirts than we need to get a stoudt MLB
September 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Tarrapin…post 444:
Thanks for rehashing what many of us can see and understand when we have our eyes open and we admit to what we’re seeing. Anyone thinking otherwise is in total denial of the truth. When I saw Ryan go to the three man rush (I believe it was in the third quarter, I couldn’t believe it. Total ignorance.) It’s actually criminal in nature and Ryan needs to go. He has balls if he’s accepting his check on payday.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
kiffin was a major reason the raiders got their asses handed to them last night, he wasn’t in rythm play calling, he’s got to get his head straight, starting mcfadden would help him do that. what the hell is fargas doing starting, kiffin did the same thing last year, starting an inferior player at quarterback in the opener, it doesn’t make sense to me, and it doesn’t make sense to most people, including the players-and the messes with morale, kiffin needs to be a leader, not some kind of counsellor who is leading the moral lifes of his players, he’s a freakin coach and he needs to freakin coach, f what’s best for a player, the raiders are about winning and kiffin better get his head out of his ass and figure out how to do that, starting his best players is the first step, that’s just basic, figure it out.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Hire BILLICK!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
If curry doesnt forget his hands in the locker room, the game is much closer.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
At least we didn’t draft Young
September 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
DMAC did start, he got the first running play. Kiff did very little to get him involved. he could have had a lot more touches.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Raider Dogg,
I would settle for the DEFENSE that Billick had with out Lewis. He is a GOOD coach!!!! I know that his teams will always have a GOOD defense!!
The man can COACH!!
Lewis’s D’ in Cincinnati has beena DISASTER!!
So that tells me that BILLICK had a lot to do with that D’……..and of course players like R Lewis helped as well!!
Hire BILLICK!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
trade fargas, start mcfadden, win win win win. throw more open up the field. get curry going across the middle and send walker long. raiders win big against the chargers in week 4, 31-28 (making them 3-1).
September 9th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
OG -
That reverse play call was creative but ill-timed. Also I think that Fargas blew that exchange and doomed that play by lateraling the ball to JLH instead of handing it to him. That play call should come out early on, when the defense is overpursuing or you are trying to set something up for later. Not during a late half drive, you are right, it was a momentum killer. So was that non call at the goal line when Miller was being mugged, but don’t get me started.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
hire a new owner “a hands off owner”
hire a DCO
hire a true scout department
hire a GM
hire a HC and let him decide on his staff
Run the org like the billion dollar company it is.
take care of the fan base.
win SB’s
September 9th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
MR, im deep in the gambling bit, NEVER LOST NEVER WILL LOSE. putting a G on it.i’m garrenteeing
September 9th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Thec
You’re a whiny little pig, with lipstick, stop crying and be a man.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
The Broncos were throwing the ball with 5min left in the game and up by 3 or 4 TDs and the puzzy Raiders didn’t even break his leg. No pride. Kiffin is now on my hate list. Guy needs to leave today.
Losing is one thing. Playing stupid with no pride is another.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Tilly
That’s right you never lose, where can I buy that bridge, what desert.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
dude get an analogy that makes sense, you sound foolish
September 9th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
dude get an analogy that makes sense, you sound foolish
September 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Glory
Don’t get me wrong, I think Billick is a solid coach. He just needs a decent DC to come with him.
BTW Marvin Lewis doesn’t run the D in Cinci anymore. He obviously oversees the D somewhat as HC, but he is not the DC and never has been in Cinci. Our old friend Chuck Bresnahan was the DC in Cinci for years, but I don’t know who is the DC now.
Maybe Marvin should have stayed a DC, he had much more success, but he also had great tools to work with as you mentioned.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Dogg, you are exactly right. Look at what Shanarat did. He called end arounds, WR running plays, all kinds of crazy sh**. But he didn’t do it when he needed to get points and the defense was on it’s heals. That’s crazy. And like I said, you get points there, get some momentum, get the ball to start the 2nd half, get points there, the crowd is back into it, and it’s a different game………possibly.
The other thing is when you lose games 47-42 your defense is to blame. When you lose 13-6 your offense is to blame. When you lose 41-14, everyone is to blame.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
If Al Fire’s Kiffin and Hires Hackett….I SWAER I will sell my tickets to the JETS/Raiders game!!
I will not go to another GAME until Davis is GONE from the Raider OPRG. for GOOD!!
What a DISASTER that would be!!!
I saw enough of that Idiot…..HACKETT at USC 15 yrs ago!!!
How PATHETIC!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Kiffin had all offseason to get his guys ready for this game. Come out big, make a statement. Instead, the team looked lost.
Kiffin says he can’t figure out how there was such a lack of communication on defense. Who the F would know if the HC doesn’t?
Time for Kid Kiffin to move along and take Rob Ryan with him.
Al Davis needs to follow them out the door and turn out the lights.
September 9th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
MR = Mentally Retarded
September 9th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Tilly
I sound foolish! and your name on this blog is Tilly?
Give me a break retard.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
MR or whoever you are, sorry I can think for myself. very well reaad, and communicate on a plethora of subjects. that being said i dont need you or your idle banter to tell me anything. I seen your act before very droll.
Yeah I was saying score like 34 – 6…. and what?
I sadi it before will say it again, i laugh at you, and hope to see you in person will laugh at your face, cause like i said your schtick is funny….
September 9th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Tilly is the name of the oldest and wizest man in the bible. Know your stuff, it covers my expertice in the field of sports.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
If Davis Hires Hackett…WE may as well bring old ART SHELL back as well!! He is the same type of yes man as HACKETT!!
SORRY<SORRY<SORRY!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Thec,
I couldnt agree more
September 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Thats why I prefaced it as MR or whoever… probable the choclate rain guy……. myopians lol
September 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Tilly…
Did you watch the game? This wasn’t a decent game with a mistake or two that cost us the game.
This was ugly. No discipline, no plan, no execution, and no pride. Stupid penalties, hurt offensive lineman, your #1 WR missing catches in critical spots, Hall looking lost and arguing with the HC on the sidelines, missed tackles, no pass rush, the best rusher we have already hurting, and much, much more.
This team is in trouble.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Tilly
Go back to your bible thumping class, we need no history lesson from a super christian.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Thec
Might be the “TWERP”
September 9th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I’m out.
have a good night Nation and hang in there.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
“Everything is going to be fine?” HAHAHAHAHA I turned to watch the news….anything was better than that beat down. The offense looked a little stiff but this loss is squarely on Ryan. I’m sick of his sh&t. And Hall…shame is the only thing that ought to heard from his lips. I’ve never seen so many players running around like they didn’t know what they were doing…whiffing at eveything…PATHETIC!! Ryan SUCKS, Ryan should have been fired!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Fake MR you might be the twerp, chocolate rain guy.
In any event you are one funny person… your schtick is top notch, you should have your own show in vegas…..myopians lol ROFLMAO…..
September 9th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Hall is Hall, he is a grimey dude who plays without his head. they had a plan, they made small stupid mistakes. physical mistakes are nothing compared to not executing. things didnt bounce their way last night, but if a few did go their way its a different game. lets say miller doesnt get hell at the line on the raiders first drive. TD, at least 1st and goal on the three. Russel has a ball slip out, TD McFadden. Little Shlt. Pass Rush will improve, DENVER IS GOOD, things like that require a better package up front. stop being a pu$s
September 9th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
out
September 9th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Seems to me anyhow,it was the defense that allowed the 41 points! And its Ryans baby! And seems to me that coach Lane wanted to fire Ryan! It also seems common knowledge that Ryans defenses never blitz and so each opposing quarterback and coach knows they can sit back and pick apart the Raiders defense without fear of being rushed ! I say fire Ryan like he wanted !
September 9th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
No pressure, LBS, corners and safeties all either flipping turned around, out of position. Let’s see first drive…Denver marches the length of the field and scores. It looks worse than last year…
September 9th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Some guy named Sue, I mean Tina, oh wait.. Tilly is calling people names on the internet. Wow. You are such a tuff girl.
If “if” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas.
That team was ugly and undisciplined last night.
So what if Miller and McFadden score, we would have lost 41-28.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
FIRE RYAN
September 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
FIRE RYAN! DO IT NOW!!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
All this Fire Rob Ryan talk is hilarious! Where were you guys when I was going round & round with BHP & OakGlenn how much our D and RR sucks?
Terrapin, where were you ? You are all about 8-9 months behind me. I see you guys in my rear view, welcome to reality kids!
Hey OakGlenn, or should I call you Captain Delusional? Tell me 1 more time how RR is a good DC and we play the same D as NYG, c’mon!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Fire Rob Ryan now? Why not 6 months ago? Now this season is a FK’n waste!!
Hall had the worse game of his career! Why ?
Man 2 Man out on an island with no pass rush……ZERO PASS RUSH! Rob Ryan worked his magic on Hall & it only took 1 week!
Im already looking forward to Halls comments when he departs this mess.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Somebody should F@ck ryan up for impersonating a DCO, them throw his a$$ in jail…..
Brown you were right….. ryan is a traitor
September 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Tilly…post 578:
It’s commendable that you’re trying to stay positive and claim that we’ll win over KC. However, if Ryan doesn’t change his defense to put pressure consistently (and he hasn’t done it in five years) then we’ll lose at KC and against the Bills and the dischargers for sure. No one, not even New England can win if there is no pressure from the defense. Ryan had 2 blitzs in the whole game, no sacks, no hurries, zero, nada, zippo. Ryan and Al Davis both add up to zero, nada and zippo, plus blank-ko.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Mista Brown
What’s hilarious is watching some idiot continually post comments about the same guy over and over and over again. When will your love affair with Oakglenn end?
Your man crush must end bro.
You must be one of those guys that’s NEVER right so when you actually are right you don’t know how to act, and everybody still has to hear about it years later. “Remember how right I was a year ago?” Weak bro, weak.
You know what they say “Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again”.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
I agree with Scottish above cut Curry. I like what little we saw of Chaz, activate Watkins in week 2.
Deactivate Curry in week 2 let him watch in street clothes, humble him and let him comeback in week 3 if he doesnt improve let the axe fall.
Fargas plays his a$$ off and his attitude is everything you could ask for but he has no speed and no hands. I want to see BUSH!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
ltr folks
September 9th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Hey Mista you may want to tone it down. You are coming off like a world class prick right now.
Plus we all know that I am the only one that is always right! lol
September 9th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Chad have you spent some time behind bars? You have a twisted idea of a love affair..
September 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Chad
What are you an Investigator? Leave the drama to Hollywood, get a life or find a job as a referee in high school. Oakglenn deserves everything we can dish out, but out, retard.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
I WANT TO SEE BUSH!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
def. is the problem..fire ryan..its one game ..stop ..crying..it can be turned around quik..if you geeks every played football before you know it can be fixed..
September 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Mista Brown
All I know is you never shutup about Oakglen, ever! Seems like love to me, but maybe its obsession. Either way you might want to seek help.
You never have anything with any substance to say except Oakglen this and Oakglen that. And then you usually continue on by patting yourself on the back several times for being right once in your life and then proceed to tell everyone how wrong they are too.
Dakota’s right, you are a 1st class prick! A person that needs a good ass kicking to be humbled.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hey Mistabrown…
Don’t include me. I was all for firing his sorry azz last season and the season before that. Check my past post if you don’t believe me.
Only difference now is I want Kiffin gone as well.
Fassel for HC.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Yeah!
Jerry!!!
What? No mention of “Our man Bush?” (Funny show by the way)
What the what?
Missing him and Walker sucked big time…
I think once Tyvon gets both arms back he’ll start blastin’ some fools.
Hall was an absolute nightmare.
He and Walkers no show mdae Al Davis look like an idiot for throwing giant sums of money at them.
Hope they redeem themselves…
September 9th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
K-rock:
I’m not sure its the Coaches anymore…
I’ve been a supporter of Al, but his dated philosophy of accountability to your team mates and to your self is lost on some of these morally bankrupt players.
In the past, MEN would rather die than suffer being thought a slacking loser who just collects the check.
Now it seems like alot of them do just that.
No humility or pride.
Thought we cut alot of them, but apparently their are many more to go…
September 9th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Davis has emasculated Kiffin and therefore the team. This team played like they did the last year under Bill Callahan… Dumb and with no heart.
Kiffin needs to go before he ruins the career of Russell and McFadden.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I remember K Rock saying fire Rob Ryan years before Mista Brown ever even thought something of that nature.
Good job K-Rock!
September 9th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Fake MR
swing and a miss!
Keep trying though, for an idiot you have some fire. Good for you.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Evening Raider Nation:
Its been great reading everybodys posts today, a lot of good insights I wish Raiders management and players were as passionte as we are about the Raiders.
I think I’m finally past the Denver game and now focusing on the Kansas City game. This game worries me a lot for a couple of reasons:
(1) Really short week, with the late game on Monday and early game on Sunday basically we only have 2 days of full practice with Tues a off-day, Fri a travel day, and Sat a walk-through day.
(2) Kansas City had a great draft, they are a young and hungry team and are a lot better off than last year.
Seth
Raider Fan sice 1982
September 9th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Later Brothers. I’m out.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Seth, want my advice?….dont watch the game this sunday.
September 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Not like a Raider fan to talk and poor salt. Read my earlier post (670). It was a post about Raider football. The games meant more they were funner. It was exciting. I want the Raiders to be good again. This isn’t fun. I slept for more than half the game.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Blaze it 7 Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
“Not like a Raider fan to talk and poor salt. Read my earlier post (670). It was a post about Raider football. The games meant more they were funner. It was exciting. I want the Raiders to be good again. This isn’t fun. I slept for more than half the game.”
Man you put the “MORON” in the word oxymoron. You like it better when the Raiders are good yet you talk sh*t in here all night not having fun making people miserable? Dude you need help, just like most Donkey fans.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
You did roll us last year! It made it fun. I was pissed and wanted revenge. I didn’t forget. We didn’t buy Superbowls. We took them. Like you did with your 3. We don’t suck. And the YMCA is closed so basketweaving is a no go.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
a straight QUESTION? If Mike Shannahan wanted to be your coach tomorrow would you jump at the chance?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Every year the Raiders get the honor of worst free agent signing, or worst loser drafted honor,…last year Russell was clearly a terrible pick,…the bad signings are too many to list,…I just saw more lowlights of D-Hall on eson,..that punk clearly is this years bust in free agency,…thought it would be Walker but nooo, Hall took the title from him,..look for us to once again win the worst free agent signing with a trade for Chad Johnson…and so we go on…players strike please!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
OK Blaze
much respect
thanks for the laugh and have a good one.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
As fas as the % of Raider fans convicted of a felony versus Broncos fans? Who needs help?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Best of luck on the season. Really! Read my post 670. I’m serious. As A Al Davis heart attack.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Just because criminals have good taste in football teams doesn’t mean that the Bronco’s fans are any less felonious.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
A source close to the Raiders said DeAngelo Hall does not like to play press coverage…If this is true (and it appears it IS!) why would we spend 70 mill for such a player unless who ever evaluated him was misinformed/bad judgement. In Atlanta, he played plenty of zone (Cover 2,3 and 4), made a couple of plays and talked his way to two PRO Bowls (good for him). It’s not that D-Hall is not talented enough, he’s just got to be willing to compete. I’ve never known a cornerback who didn’t love press coverage, unless he was uncomfortable about his ability. He appears to be lacking confidence in that area of his game. With ROB RYAN’s D, he’s asking corners to be “shut down” types (ala C-Wood and Al Harris in Green Bay). Hall talks a good one but wasnt willing to compete on Monday night, especially against a ROOKIE wideout! SAD
September 9th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Good luck to you as well, you’re off to a good start fukker!
and I’m out…
September 9th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Hey The Seasons Over,
Broncos won the honor for worst signings last 2 years. Mad money at Walker(which the Raiders should learned from)Travis Henry, The Browncos (Warren, Brown, Ekuban)Dude it will get better. But some thing s have to change.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Peace.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Sooo we traded our 2nd rounder for DeAngelo Hall when we could have drafted Sam Baker USC. Who did Al draft right before DeSean Jackson was picked? Every year we’re in position to pick quality guys and Al makes some inexplicable pick. Al has lost it, this is his mess and his alone.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Carl…post 601:
Where have you been, apparently you haven’t been watching the games. The first play we ran was with MaFadden, then Fargus came in and he ran excellent all night long. Take your blinders off. MaFadden ran excellent as well. They both averaged over 5 yards per carry. Curry dropped a pass right in his hands and that ended the drive.
Also, you’re blaming Kiffin. I guess it’s Kiffins fault the defense never put on any pressure and gave up 41 points. Read the posting on this blog and you’ll see that 8 out of 10 comments about the coaches were negative towards Ryan. Kiffin did an excellent job. Watch the game next time before bashing the wrong person.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I’ve been a RAIDER FAN since “62″, but that doesnt mean a thing. You “wanna be” Raiders “FANS” think your adolesent ranting on any blog is gonna cure us? Do you not think that “AL” does not have the nation in the best interest in his heart? I would not give up Lane, period. Let JR develope as Lane opened him up the other night. Our developing Quarterback, showed so many skill’s and versitility the other night, that will bring the goods to the table. One game and everyone blames Kif, where the real problem has been RR! Period! Al, I know its family, I believe in this, but it’s time to let him go. The Defence has sucked! Period! Why? The Ol was a sight for poor eyes. Why doesn’t JM have more than 1.5 Sec’s of protection? Blame Kif? Not!!! These are supposed to be highly paid professional players, doing their jobs, and everybody laid down. I still bleed Black n Silver, can accept a trouncing from the donkies, they played us well, kicked our butts in every aspect, but when is highly expected additions to this team going to deliver? You need to give Lane a chance to deliver, even if it’s just one game. Let him fail. Faithful since the start.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Are Jamarcus Russell and Darren McFadden, Al Davis picks or Lane Kiffin’s picks? And how do you know?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Sorry, my bad…I put Carl …post 601…it should be Carl…post 598. Same comments apply…carl bashing Kiffin when he should be bashing Ryan and watching the game more closely.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I woke up this morning and I had a horrible nightmare: The Broncos played in Oakland and on 3rd an 30 Cutler stood in the Pocket, watched downfield, still stood in the pocket, looked on his watch, still stood in the pocket, took out his newpaper and started to read it, sat down, still no pressure… then he decieded to throw it, for a TD!
Ohhh wait a minute, that was no nightmare, that was real… FIRE RYAN and bring in a DC who wants to blitz, no matter what AD says.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
az_ed Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Are Jamarcus Russell and Darren McFadden, Al Davis picks or Lane Kiffin’s picks? And how do you know?
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I like Russell, but to be honest I would have picked Gholston over DMAC… but still, this guys should make it and are worth 1st rounders. Waayyy better Picks than Robert Gallery for example, he’s a good LG but if I see who else was available, I’m getting sick: Fitzgerald, Kellen Winslow, Roy Williams, Ben Roethlisberger, Tommie Harris, Steven Jackson, Bob Sanders and many more…
September 9th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Just got back from MY 1500 mile drive to party in a parking lot.I cant wait to go to work tomorow so i can hear it from all the seachicken fans. What a disapointment. Oh well at least everyone in lot was cool for the most part. I hope things get better.
Oh ya Rob Ryan The way i see it you should reinburse me for atleast half the gas money. Im sure i will hear it from some ryan lover for that one.
late
September 9th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
K-rock…post 616:
You’re right about Ryan and Davis…they both need to go, but apparently, for some unknown reason, you’re blaming Kiffin for the defense, when he has made it clear that Al Davis runs the defense. Always has and always will. It’s Al Davis who wants to play the defense like they played 30 years ago, no blitzing…no pressure. Ryan doesn’t have the b&lls to stand up to Davis and just falls in to “lock-step.”
September 9th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Tilly…post 617:
Hey, I’ve had my ups and downs with MR and that’s OK. We can all agree to disagree. However, MR is not retarded. He likes to point out the truth and that pisses many people off. MR has been on point many times and he’s been right about Al Davis and Rob Ryan as well, among many other issues.
September 9th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
How do most Raider fans feel about Mike Shannahan? If he was named your coach tomorrow, what would the vibe be?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
He was already fired….how would you feel if someone told you he was really your daddy?
Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer!
September 9th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Dude chill not a stupid question. Would the Raider fan base support it, or dump on it?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Are you saying Mike Shannahan is the Raiders Daddy? Is that what you’re saying?
September 9th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Shanahan is a good coach. I hate him, but that is because he shoves it up our backside every chance he gets. What would you do if you had to bet your life on that coaching matchup (Shanahan Vs. Rob Ryan)….it’s not even close…he made our defense look like it was coached by a elementary coach. Kiffin is not the problem! Playcalling was fine…we didn’t execute. The Defense was complete chit! Absolutely no pressure on Cutler and the playcalling was spot on….I don’t think they even had more than 2 negative plays. Al Davis and Rob Ryan are a joke.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:01 am
How would I feel if somone told me he was really my Daddy? That’s interesting, I guess at first I would be Hurt with my parents for lying to me all these years. Then I would be angry at my new Daddy for waiting for so long. Boy that’s a tough situation to be in.
So coach what you’re telling me is that Raider fans feel like they are unwanted children? They don’t know who their real father is? Man that’s rough!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Swissraider…post 677:
You’re right on. I just responded to you and the moderator didn’t let my post…post. I got a little too carried away with my comments towards Ryan. I hate the dude.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:09 am
It is going to get even worse when Davis Fires Kiffin. The development of our young team will be retarded for years. How fast do you think our quality coaches (Cable, Knapp, Rathman) will bolt outta here to greener pastures?!? Kiffin will be a successful coach somewhere else when they give him a strong Front Office to back him.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Howie’s Neck Roll..post 689:
Normally, and under any other circumstances, I would say you’re out of your mind. These are professional people, experts in their fields. These experts, professionals, know where to put the blame…Ryan and Al Davis.
However, Al Davis isn’t going to take any blame whatsoever. He’s still living in the past and he’s become a good candidate for a leper’s colony due to his brain rot. Ryan is beyond bad, he’s beyond hope and the only reason Davis has kept him…is that Davis is out of his freaking mind.
I agree, Cable, Knapp and Rothman will bolt if Kiffin is fired. Can you imagine Hackett, Lofton or Ryan as the next head coach. And, sadly, there is nothing anyone of us can do. I’m pissed at Jim Otto, he just sits there in the booth with Al and apparently (I assume) doesn’t say a word, even though he can see Al destroying the team?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Coach you go to bed? I was hopin for an answer. Are they removing posts from the board?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Blaze it 7:
Ya, the moderator zapped me on a reply concerning Rob Ryan. I must admit I really when off on Ryan. Rob Ryan is so pathetic it’s easy to get carried away. So the mod is around and still active.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:28 am
I like your response….I feel ya!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:29 am
I even have to put a spin on my own posts from time to time….
Can’t let the powers that be know what I’m thinking!
Ya know?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Half the time I’m just conversing with the moderators from each of these sites using alias’s…
Whatever, don’t matter to me….
If the Raiders want to wait to win…its fine by me!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Are you guys watching me?, or am I watching you?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Riverside mine got pulled and it was benign. Talked about Davis needing to be replaced as GM only. Keep him around to shake hands. Clean up your stadium make it more of a earner (corporations don’t want any part of a news story with a fan being beaten with their logo in the backround). Decide on a coach and stick with him. Quit changing every 20 games. And stop with the Raider mystique. Bring in football players, not Raider players.
That was the just of it. and it got pulled? Al Davis has someone working at the paper;)
September 10th, 2008 at 12:34 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Bdv0iD3eQ
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Al Davis, has someone working everywhere, and thank God for that fact!
He is on the right side of the fence dude, trust me!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:37 am
The moderators, I’m sure they’re different one, have very little consistency. I can understand when someone uses bad language or makes threats of violence, etc. But, when we merely go a little overboard with our hate and contempt, without bad language or violent threats, we shouldn’t be zapped because our targets were Ryan and Davis. One day we can bash them and the next day we get zapped?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Hayes37 and Thec ,good posts,thanks for a little pain relief,almost as good as vicodin!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Where did the last posts go? Conspiracy! As a Bronco fan I always had a sneaky suspicion that Al Davis was behind 9/11, but now I’m certain!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Guess it’s time to call it a night. I hope to all goodness that Ryan has nightmares all night long, that some kids at toilet-papering his house and trees and that his car doesn’t start in the morning…flat tire and all. As for Al Davis, I’ll keep my mouth shut or the moderator will remove this post.
Good night, Nation.
PS: I hope I dream of our players blitzing and blitzing all night long, like waves on the beach.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:47 am
A silver and black truck just pulled up the street… and two men in black suits are coming to my front door…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:48 am
My name is Blaze it 7 and I am here to serve Raider Nation.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Just wondering,wheres Brien?Maybe the mods will bail him out,you think?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Good night Raider nation! Tom Jackson says don’t let the bed bugs bite. Peace!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:03 am
seriously dissappointing riverside, I guess you are just like the others. You are a kiffin apologist and beleive he can do no wrong….how can u not see that he is much to blame for the loss as Rob Ryan. At least kiffin can run his own offense…Rob can’t even do that. I don’t care of kiffin is in his 2nd, 3rd or 4th year, if he wasnt ready to be a head coach he should go practice with someone elses team. Sean Payton inherited a worse team and put them in the NFC title game, we’re jus asking Lane to go .500, not too much to ask for IMO.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:25 am
ScottishRaider:
Kiffin has been pretty public and forceful about his unhappiness with the play of veterans-especially Walker. He needs to be tougher with his own coaches.
Denver’s defense looked well-coached. Our defense looked badly coached.
It doesn’t matter that Kiffin wanted to fire Ryan. Ryan IS there and he IS the defensive coach. Kiffin, however, is the HEAD coach and needs to as hard on his coaches as he is on some players.
Kiffin needs to get in Ryan’s face and Ryan needs to call his dad and find out how to do it.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:31 am
Payton was given control and allowed to do the things necessary to improve the Ain’ts.Kiffin isn’t allowed to do anything without ADs approval.now,if Davis had allowed Kiffin to fire Ryan and we got the same results as last night one could and should blame Kiffin.BTW,did anyone else notice Kiffin get in Ryans face early in the game and after that they stayed apart?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:05 am
EnglandRaider, let’s cut the s’t.
Kiffin is waiting for Al to fire him. You know it and I know it. What you need to tell us is what Al’s next move is. What is Al going to do now to get his team back to the playoffs again? Unfortunately, instead of Al being concerned about that, he’s instead concerned about saving face in the whole Kiffin debacle.
Kiffin needs to just do his job? Kiffin needs to work with what he has?
Try and understand something:
Kiffin doesn’t have to do jack s’t. He’ll do whatever he wants. The bottom line is what will Al do. How will Al Davis get the Raiders back to being a good team again? How long will it take him to do so starting over with a new coach like Hackett or Lofton? When are Al and his spinmeisters going to focus on that instead of worrying about how they look coming out of the Kiffin mess?
It’s all on Al, EngalandRaider. Not Kiffin. Kiffin will be gone probably by the time half of the “bloggity blogging bloggers” here read this. He won’t matter. Just an ancient memory, like Gruden. He’ll be gone, but the Raiders, and their flaws, will still be here. Then what?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Raiders will be 3-1 by the bye week…Just lay back and relax. Take a picture of that!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:10 am
I don’t feel bad for Kiffin. D.Hall did not perform as expected, got owned by a rookie WR ,that’s what he is talking about.But he is the coach, instead of watching him getting clowned he should have anticipated the situation and get Asomugha involved.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Fire Kiffin and hire who ? Mills College special teams coach?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Once again, somebody posting under my name around the same time Oakglenn is here.
Oakglenn, rough couple of days. I’m not mad at you. Man, has it been a rough couple of days. You guys were predicting a Raider blowout. Well, you got half of your wish, didn’t you?
Know what’s funny?
Most of you Davis shills didn’t show up till almost a day after the game. In fact, most of you came strolling in here around 5 this afternoon. That’s interesting.
Bob Marley is still on a milk carton.
Did Tommy Trojan ever show up?
Brien <— Nowhere to be found. I’m thinking he was the guy in the news who sucker punched the cop. Judging by the way he talks in here, I wouldn’t put it past him.
It’s been rough, Oak. Post under my name. Or under Tilly, whatever. After the week you had, I can’t judge you for anything. Just let it out of your system, buddy. Better you do it on this blog than in real life. Some of us really thought you might have harmed yourself after last night, you know. I’m just glad you’re here. Stay with us. We’re your friends, Oakglenn. You’re a retard but you’re our retard. Let’s see if the Raiders can rebound this week and lose by maybe only 20 or so. Goodnight. …Don’t bother responding.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Once again, somebody posting under my name around the same time Oakglenn is here.
Oakglenn, rough couple of days. I’m not mad at you. Man, has it been a rough couple of days. You guys were predicting a Raider blowout. Well, you got half of your wish, didn’t you?
Know what’s funny?
Most of you Davis shills didn’t show up till almost a day after the game. In fact, most of you came strolling in here around 5 this afternoon. That’s interesting.
Bob Marley is still on a milk carton.
Did Tommy Trojan ever show up?
Brien <— Nowhere to be found. I’m thinking he was the guy in the news who sucker punched the cop. Judging by the way he talks in here, I wouldn’t put it past him.
It’s been rough, Oak. Post under my name. Or under Tilly, whatever. After the week you had, I can’t judge you for anything. Just let it out of your system, buddy. Better you do it on this blog than in real life. Some of us really thought you might have harmed yourself after last night, you know. I’m just glad you’re here. Stay with us. We’re your friends, Oakglenn. You’re a retard but you’re our retard. Let’s see if the Raiders can rebound this week and lose by maybe only 20 or so. Goodnight. …Don’t bother responding.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:25 am
The secondary got scorched. Hall should’ve been dragged, he wasn’t in the game.
True it was only one game, but things have got to change. The offense has got to open up, it doesn’t help when receivers can’t haul in catchable balls! The defense has got to blitz more, pressure the QB.
KC is a winable game.
That crap about Ryan and the defense purposely throwing plays is Bulls**t. Kiffin is the right man for the job you doubters will be eating your words…believe you me.
True fan out!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:30 am
So I wasn’t the only one who saw that, be can only watch and the same goes for the coaching staff ?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:40 am
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September 10th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Good Morning NATION!!! Is RR fired yet or is AL DAVIS fired yet.gotta go 2 work check back later.UFCK the squaws
September 10th, 2008 at 3:25 am
MR you we’re right,I drank the Koolaide and got high as a kite off it.I agree the game has passed AL DAVIS by.God bless him tho,you know what he has meant 2 the NATION and football in general.ONE NATION!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 3:25 am
[...] [Raiders] Raiders RB Darren McFadden To Play Against The Chiefs? Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a cheap shot. He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside make everything a 50-yard run. Source: Inside The Oakland Raiders [...]
September 10th, 2008 at 3:54 am
Maybe if that over – priced loser Deangelo Hall was able to cover that rookie receiver who was half his size , maybe then we could have won. Al’s day has come and gone , Kiffin was right to want Ryan fired , and yes JaMarcus did do a good job , it’s not his fault his receivers suck .
September 10th, 2008 at 5:24 am
What I would do, if I were AD:
- Fire Ryan and bring in a guy who knows something about modern football
- Cut Curry
- Trade all our Draft Picks for WR, OT and DT
- Force Kiffin to: Start Schilens and run DMAC outside
I understand why Kiffin went for the 4th down on our twenty, I mean what do we had to loose? They also went for it on 4th and goal and everybody likes it… that’s 4th down, you can look great or really, really stupid but you got to try it.
Still, with Ryan and Davis we won’t be a playoff contender in the near future, but Russell, DMAC, Miller and Schilens should be able to lead this offense in about 2 years and then…. we’ll see.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
Check out this run that somehow missed the highlights over the weekend.
http://www.rivals.com/video.asp?section=football&pkey=&vidtype=publisher&vidid=6066
September 10th, 2008 at 6:02 am
So I did torture myself and watched the rerun of the game on NASN yesterday. I thought it was more ugly than it actually turned out to be.
Sure the defence was non-existant. And the amount of fouls are intolerable.
But the offense and special teams were quite good IF and WHEN they made a play. Curry not catching balls and the one or other unlucky break (holding penalty not given to Broncos) made the offense look worse than they really played, IMO. I mean they moved the ball, JM played rather well. I think there is reason for hope on offense especially if Kiffin is courageous enough to give other WR’s a tryout. Curry is scared to make mistakes and that causes him to make mistakes/drop balls.
Defence is a completely different story…
Now serious question: If they cannot beat KC now who are admittedly in rebuild mode, whom could they possibly, realistically beat before the bye week and thereafter?? I don’t think the Chargers are out and dead, and the Bills looked really strong. I fear if the defence continues to play badly, even a Patriots offense (with healthy Tom) would not win games for us… I fear it will be 1-3 at best by the bye-week unless the defence gets its act together.
Swissraider, just out of curiosity, where are you in Switzerland. I’m in Zurich
September 10th, 2008 at 6:42 am
Hall is worthless, being embarrassed by a rookie. . . dude, pay us back and retire in shame.
Aso is the only defensive player worth anything on our team.
Jamarcus and DMAC should be given the reigns. Steady mix of ram down your throat and deep balls – to receivers that can catch that is.
I am Raider Nation till I die, but I am sick of watching them play. It is a joke. If they had half of the rage and passion I have for dominating other teams they would be undefeated, simple as that. Where is their domination attitude, their pride, their desire to obliterate anyone who lines up across from them? Even with a worthless defensive coordinator they could win with those three things, but until they find it they will be worthless, game in , game out. What I wouldn’t give for five minutes in the locker room with the team, the coach, and the owner. A combination of Anthony Robbins and Mike Tyson, and they all need to hear it. Every last one of them.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Things to consider;
JaMarcus doesn’t fumble McFadden scores untouched. 7 points
Ronald Curry doesn’t drop the wide open pass, he scores 7 points.
JaMarcus makes a better throw, Curry scores again. 7 points.
That’s 21 muffed points and 2 more TD’s for JaMarcus.
you throw in the blatant no call pass interference on zach miller where the def guy had a handful of jersey and you would have definitely seen a differnt outcome in that game.
not making excuses but this game could have turned out much differently..we have some major talent, albeit young, but a couple of future superstars in the making with russell and mcfadden, problem is this team needs time to gel and quite frankly they just haven’t had that much time together to accomplish that
September 10th, 2008 at 7:18 am
[...] [Raiders] Raiders RB Darren McFadden Should Be Fine For Week 2 Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin said he anticipates running back Darren McFadden (stinger) would play against Kansas City, and that his injury, which aggravated a condition sustained earlier in the week in practice, was the result of a cheap shot. He praised the rookie for running hard and taking gains that were there, rather than trying to bounce everything outside make everything a 50-yard run. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
September 10th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Ok…so we sucked this first game, but we looked better during the preseason, and we have a long way to go. San Diego lost and so did the Colts. This is a game of winning and losing–W’s and L’s. It’s one L. I have been a Raider fanatic for over 30 years, and there will be just one team in the NFL; and they wear Silver and Black!
September 10th, 2008 at 7:28 am
I am telling all of you NOTHING is gonna change until Al is gone. He controls everything and wants to do it his way. He does not care about winning unless it is done his way. Rob Ryan is Al’s stooge and is undermining Kiffin to force him out. If Kiffin quits Al doesn’t have to pay him. Al only hired Kiffin because he was young, cheap and Al thought he would do whatever he said. Now that Kiffin has become a mini Gruden, Al wants him out. Notice the no communication between Kiffin and RR? No blitzing, no pressure, no defense. All on Al’s orders. The cancer on this team is Al himself. Until he is gone expect the same sh*t week after week. Believe whatever you like, but Al is doing this to the Nation on purpose. Until he is gone he will continue to run this organization right into the ground.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Nebraskan Raider, you are right. If you ain’t Raider, you ain’t s#$t.
But, Monta’s Ankle is even more right my friend……………..Al brought greatness to the Nation over the decades, but is now murdering it.
Defending Al now is like defending some dude that was a great husband for thirty years and now beats his wife. To quote Janet Jackson….’what have you done for me lately’?
September 10th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Tommy_H Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Swissraider, just out of curiosity, where are you in Switzerland. I’m in Zurich
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I’m from Lucerne, Raiders are everywhere xD Didn’t thought there would be another real Raiders-fan in switzerland!
September 10th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Al didn’t make one lone mistake the past few years by overpaying for under performers. He does it year after year. He thinks he is still some genius, but doesn’t realize he is an old, senile, hasbeen. He gave the Bears two first rounders for freakin Willie Gault. That was really the bigging of the end. Then came Jay Scroeder, Rocket Ismail, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Jeff George, (Then Gruden came and we had a brief positive change), Randy Moss, and now DeAngelo Hall, Gabril Wilson and Javon Walker. Look at the draft the past 15 years. HORRIBLE. All Al’s picks. Patrick Bates, Ricky Dudley, Derrick Gibson, Robert Gallery and on and on. With the except of Gruden and now Kiffin, nothing but puppet coaches. Art Shell, Mike White, Joe Bugel, Bill Callahan, Norv “pizza face” Turner. NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL AL IS GONE.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Franchise, I agree with you also
So many opportunities blown on offense, but were right there for the taking. A little more poise and tweaking and the offense is a powerhouse. Too right.
The defense, however. Wow. Just, wow. They are an embarrassment to the sport. But, with a proper coordinator there is no doubt that the talent on the defense is enough to be a nasty, nasty squad. Rob needs to be fired, without question, right f@$#%^g now.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:45 am
From the Denver Post:
The Play: The Broncos’ game plan was to isolate rookie receiver Eddie Royal on Raiders cornerback DeAngelo Hall. Royal finished with nine catches for a league-high 146 yards and a touchdown. He also drew two unnecessary roughness penalties to Oakland.
Point/counterpoint: The Raiders’ defensive strength was supposed to be their cornerback tandem of Nnamdi Asomugha and Hall. The Broncos showed great respect for Asomugha, who nearly crippled the Broncos’ season with a vicious tackle on a scrambling Jay Cutler. But with Broncos star receiver Brandon Marshall missing the opener to serve his one-game suspension, Mike Shanahan built his game plan around Royal beating Hall. Afterward, Hall said the Broncos outschemed the Raiders — a term that points a finger at the coaching staff. Cutler scoffed at that notion. “We played one-on-one football with them; we didn’t outscheme them,” Cutler said. “Eddie Royal beat DeAngelo Hall time after time after time. That’s what happened.”
Klis’ take: Never in Shanahan’s 14 years as coach has he had a receiver who could run like Royal. It was ridiculous how the Raiders stubbornly refused to give Hall help. If Royal can’t be covered one-one-one, and Marshall can’t be covered one-on-one, Cutler should be in for a fun year.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Absolutely incredible!! Okay, enough is enough Rob Ryan is a horrible DC. His excuses and reasoning that the defense is on the field alot is valid however, when your in charge of a situation that has been a consistent failure no matter the personnel for multiple years what more proof do you need? However, to let let Kiffin completely off the hook because of some ridiculous unfounded hate for Big AL is just plain wrong. Kiffin is the HC and he has shaped this team into what we see on the field, young, inexperienced and not very talented. Kiffin came to the Raiders cutting players and has continued. This current Raider team is almost completely different from the one he inherited in 2006. So why is Kiffin complaining about the talent when these are basically the guy’s he and his coaching staff wanted? We look horrible on both sides of the ball. The offense couldn’t sustain a drive getting blanked for an entire half and the defense couldn’t get Denver’s offense off the field. Also like I have said on numerous occasions about KIffin not liking vet’s, look who Kiffin decides to be critical of none other than who, the vet’s. Ryan and Kiffin both should be on a major hot seat. More talk and more failure from Kiffin.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Al brings these guys like Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Randy Moss, DeAngelo Hall and Javon Walker in and talks with them about the history of the Raiders. He pumps them full of BS and money yet tells them the coaches don’t mean sh*t. Once they get on the field and the coaches try to control them they are so full of themselves and don’t live up to the hype. Before free agency when guys stayed with their team for 10 years it was different. As long as they won nobody cared. Nowdays that doesn’t work. You can’t pay inferior players(Randy Moss is the exception) huge amounts of money and expect them to out perform others. Once they start losing all the time they lose interest. Mark my words Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall will never ever be pro bowl type player ever again in their careers.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Alot of people are jumping on Curry, which is fair for the performance he gave Monday night. The thought of cutting the guy is just crazy!!! Don’t forget this guy has carried the WR’s the last two years. People forget last season he open the season with 10 catches for 128 yds and a touchdown. If people on here know football, they would know the scheme of the Raiders is running the ball and they went away from the WRs last year. Can you name any guy in any sport that has come back from 3 achilles injuries(one in college) and still perform at a high level. It’s only week one people, give him a chance!! Us Fans need to worry about our high price defense!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Lefty12
Elaborate please sir “did anyone else notice Kiffin get in Ryans face early in the game and after that they stayed apart?”
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K-Rock says:
“So what if Miller and McFadden score, we would have lost 41-28.”
Thats the point! This offense would’ve put up over 20pts that night but it wouldn’t have even mattered. What I saw last night shows that the offense is capable of putting up that many. But again it would not have mattered given Ryan’s defense. We STILL would have gotten blown out!
So why some of you guys like to focus on Kiffin is beyond me.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:53 am
You guys really don’t see why I want Kiffin gone…
1. Not because I don’t think he can be a good coach, just not here right now.
2. NONE of the Assistant Coaches were hired by Kiffin, therefore there is no chemistry with the coaches
3. The friction between Al Davis and Kiffin has most likely caused the other coaches to distance themselves from Kiffin so as not to lose their job when he is fired.
4. Kiffin is a lame duck coach with no power
5. Kiffin has no authority to change anything on the field from defensive shemes to personnel. He calls plays, that is it.
6. The players will not play as a team if their leadership does not model TEAM CONCEPTS
7. The Coaches are all individuals doing their own thing independent from each other, therefore, so are the players.
8. Al Davis fosters this environment because that is how he maintains control… ie Divide and Conquer
9. The Defense is the worst in the league because Al Davis will not change his philosophy
10. The players know they will be put in horrible situations, therefore they don’t try.
11. Al promised to stay out with Kiffin (that is why the team responded better last year). Then he went back on his word and got involved (that is why we had what we got Monday Night)
12. Al needs to bring in a Coach he can trust and allow him to hire his staff and run his program independently. (This will not happen!)
I want Kiffin gone. Not because he is a bad coach, but because he is not the right man for the situation the Raiders are in right now.
I think Kiffin has lost this team because Al has taken it from him.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Rob Ryan needs to be out as well. Maybe he could prove us wrong if not under Al’s thumb.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Just wait until teams really start to abuse our DT’s-three out of shape losers. Why pass when you can beat these guys into paste? No way, no how is this team going to get better. Stop going to the games. Stop giving Al your money. Just stay home. I’ve been a fan forever, but I’m done. It’s just sad to see the clowns they suit up these days. Sad.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Goon, pretty valid points there. Sure, I believe Ryan is a total f$%$up, and kif is doing the best he can. But you bring up an in my face fact; Kif is the HC, and it is his failure for not stepping in and getting Hall help, or out of the game completely.
But as for the sides, the defense stunk everywhere but Aso.
The offense just made heaps of small mistakes at moments that would have been scores, I grade the defense the problem here, with the O not far from being a force to be reckoned with.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Rob Ryan and Kiffin had this unprepared and looking semi-pro-ish (if that’s a word). Big AL was seated in his owners box and while these two are directly involved with the game. How anyone can blame an owner for the failures pf coaches and players is beyond rational reasoning. Big AL wants to win at all costs; Rob Ryan is in over his head as a DC and Kiffin isn’t ready to be a HC on this level. This learning to be a HC on the job crap is getting us embarrassed…at home.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:01 am
I agree with Terrapin (post 46). Rob Ryan’s defensive game plan got ripped to shreds by Shanahan. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has no football IQ.
The offense did miss some critical plays. Regardless though…Denver was going to score at will!!
Kiffin wanted Rob Ryan out of there for a reason. He sucks! Was it 4 times last year the Defense blew a 4th quarter lead?
September 10th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Thanks Tommy H on #726
The defense was a totally capitulation! Why some here focus on Kiffin is beyond me
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Believe it or not I’m 85% over this loss. I’m turning the page to KC. But I’m not drinking any more Rob Ryan Kool-Aid. I’m not making any snap judgments about the game because if Rob Ryan comes out with that same sht vs KC the results will be the same. Bet on it!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:03 am
This DeAngelo Hall thing reminds me of Larry Brown and Desmond Howard deals where we were paying big money and were supposed to getting great players.
Whiff Whiff Whiff
As a lifelong Al worshiper and kool Aid drinker when I saw him Monday night he looked so ill and frail I am thinking he should be in a nursing home. I am not being sarcastic his health cant be good he wont be with us much longer and he should definitely not be running a NFL team.
Like I posted in here yesterday who is the heir to the Raider Throne? We could be looking at a serious court battles and legal mess if he suddenly dies, as I doubt he has made a good decision on who runs the team after he is gone. His decision making in the recent years has been poor.
Sad sad day for Raider fans.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:04 am
excelent input goon… if you can read the sarcasm…
September 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Raider4life – How can us rate our O as not far from being a force to be reckoned with when we don’t have a consistent passing game nor a reliable running game that can sustain drives and keep that Rob Ryan crap defense off the field? No, the offense isn’t as horrible as the defense which can’t stop the run nor the pass, but the O can’t sustain a drive nor pass block. Did you see the limited amount of time J-Russ had in the pocket? Also, I thought we had this solid running game. The O-lines run blocking was nothing to write home about. If some major changes aren’t made we are in for yet another 4 win season.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Terrapin, once again, you are the man!!
FIRE ROB RYAN
September 10th, 2008 at 8:08 am
K-Rock it is scary that the points you made a couple posts ago are spot on. Al passing away is the best team result, as Kif could stay and run it as a pure winner, no interference. But if Kif goes now, who, who is going to be able to do any better with AD at the real helm?
September 10th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Big AL’s GOON Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Raider4life – How can us rate our O as not far from being a force to be reckoned with when we don’t have a consistent passing game nor a reliable running game that can sustain drives and keep that Rob Ryan crap defense off the field? No, the offense isn’t as horrible as the defense which can’t stop the run nor the pass, but the O can’t sustain a drive nor pass block. Did you see the limited amount of time J-Russ had in the pocket? Also, I thought we had this solid running game. The O-lines run blocking was nothing to write home about. If some major changes aren’t made we are in for yet another 4 win season.
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Right, we need changes but not in the offense. Of course pass blocking is still a problem, but this offense looked way better then in previous seasons! The change is need to be made at the DC-Position… and that’s why we won’t win any game!!!
Put the Pro Bowl Offense in there and play the same defensive scheme… the result would still be a loss! Why? Because this fcuking D can’t stop anything!!! Against the run they weren’t that bad but why run it, when your QB can stand about 2 minutes in the pocket and let his receivers get some seperation.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Madden’s Curse – after one season and a game your boy Kiffin is a failure, all excuses aside……if you can read the truth.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Goon,
Yes, there is work to be done for the O.
All I am saying is that there were so many great looks even with bad coaching going on.
You know full well that shy of a couple things, a dropped ball wide open, a slipped ball with DMC ready to score…..we score more Monday night and have a respectable O. But to call the O as bad as our D, I cannot agree on that one.
I don’t want for Al to pass, but as one of many frustrated fans I see few options.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Let’s just pray that RR learnd out of this game, or Huard will look like a future Hall of Famer against us!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:20 am
no def. pressure ,stale offense in the beginning=41-14 blow out! there dbs stunk it up i knew deangelo hall would do what he did because he truly has no discipline at all or technique as a corner.gibril wilson looks lost just as he did at times with the g-men last year. ryan was yelling at them and they did not care.the silver and black has become truly a laughingstock in the league.a complete embarrassment.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
no def. pressure ,stale offense in the beginning=41-14 blow out! there dbs stunk it up! i knew deangelo hall would do what he did because he truly has no discipline at all or technique as a corner.gibril wilson looks lost just as he did at times with the g-men last year. ryan was yelling at them and they did not care.the silver and black has become truly a laughingstock in the league.a complete embarrassment.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Swiss,
Cheers bro, glad you notice the O is much improved.
I feel that they showed glimpses of greatness here and there. Ain’t seen that in God knows how long.
The D showed us #$%t. All night. Thanks for backing me on that one.
You really in Switzerland?
September 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
#728 – That’s what I’m saying. Kiffin made some good call but they didn’t execute. Everyone wantts to blame Kiffin. “F” that! Blame Ryan! What good calls did he make. What a gutless wonder! No balls to stand up to Al and say “F” it, I’m gonna blitz!” No balls and no pride! Kiff wanted him gone and he was right!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Sorry Swissraider your attempt to shield Kiffin from this ongoing horror story is not acceptable. Yes, and I agree the defense is once again horrible. After all the additions and the increased talent the defense is still horrible. However, to completely ignore the fact that we went d@mn near 3 quaters without a score speaks volumes about our Kiffin lead offense. Norv Turners offense was better than the crap that Kiffin has put on the field thus far. Hey, don’t take my word for it, look up the Norv lead Raiders vs. the Kiffin lead Raiders and see for yourself. Ryan and Kiffin both better shape up and turn this thing around or they both should be looking for employment and soon.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:23 am
no def. pressure ,stale offense in the beginning=41-14 blow out! there dbs stunk it up! i knew deangelo hall would do what he did because he truly has no discipline at all or technique as a corner.gibril wilson looks lost just as he did at times with the g-men last year. ryan was yelling at them and they did not care.the silver and black has become truly a laughingstock in the league.a complete embarrassment.looks like another wasted season!!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Raider O as bad as our D? No way! As Jerry said, that D was as bad as our 2006 O.
Unfortunately Russ let that ball slip out. Also, on the play just before that, Miller was held by Denver’s #33. That was BS. If that guy didn’t hold it would have been a TD. If the refs would have called holding, we’d had 1st and goal from just 3 yards out and we would have run for the TD.
That was our only chance because our D was horrible. After that, it got out of hand because our O is built to run, not pass. We can’t get pass-happy with Russell just yet.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:27 am
41-28 still equals a blow out!
I mean really, bagging on Kiffin for not leading a Peyton Manning(esck) offense? Coom’on! You all know Jam is not fully prepared for that. You all know this is not a passing offense yet. Did that AZ preseason game even register?
Bottom line on offense: If Curry doesn’t drops balls and the refs call fair games – they would have easily put up over 20pts.
21pts was right there and cannot be argued. STILL they would’ve gotten blown out! And if you don’t know scoring over 20pts wins you most games in this league.
Denver took the foot off the gas on offense and could’ve racked up over 50pts against this defense. It didn’t matter how much the offense scored. A minority of you guys are focusing on the wrong thing. CLEARLY!
Kiffin’s to blame …What a joke? Everyone knows Kiffin calls the offense and Ryan calls the defense. And Kiffin was about to pull Hall but RYYYAAAAN called a defense that req’d Hall to be in!!! BRILLIANT!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:27 am
True Scootertramp, true. Kif was right to have him booted, he is worthless.
But, Kif should have stepped up and taken control as the HC – he didn’t step up bro, not at all and put RR in his place Monday night.
I would have blitzed all damn night and told Hall to play ON his man, not ten yards off, then he may have actually done well(especially with Cutler having less time to read and throw). I am just a fan, and Kif sure as hell knew all of the above, but didn’t force the issue. Ryan wouldn’t as he is clearly retarded.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Raider4life, how many years are we going to accept a dropped ball here or a slip there constantly giving the O a break looking the other way and depend solely on the defense to keep us in the game only to be disappointed because the defense stinks? For far too many years we as fans have given the offense a pass for failure only to blast the defense for failing to stop the other team; eventhough we know that the defense has been on the field along time partly due to the defense being garbage and partly due to the O not being able to sustain drives and score.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Hey…..
Look
http://blacksportsonline.com/index/2008/09/benard-pollard-fan-club-tshirt.html
September 10th, 2008 at 8:30 am
I asked if they had one for Randy Moss
September 10th, 2008 at 8:33 am
ya kow u “therobryan” dopes really aughta be removed from the planet !!!!!!!!!! MY RAIDERS that would easily be a 11+win team last 3 years WITH A REAL DEF CORDNTR !!! ARE ONce again being UNDERMINED BY THIS FAT P.O.S.!!!!!!!!! NO RUN DEF !!! NO PASS RUSH !!PERIOD!!
THE CHIEFS W/ HUARD @ QB , BOWE @ WR JOHNSON @ RB WILL SCORCH THIS “ROBRYAN” DEF ONCE AGAIN!!! not the raider d ,” the ROBRYAN DEF ” 5.0 VERSION !!!!
LETS SEE HUARD GOES 15-22 242 YDS 2 TDS ZERO INTS , BOWE ON D- HALL GETS 5 @ 20+ THANK GOD RYAN GOT RID OF FABIAN !!! WOW THAT WAS ONE RYANESQUE MOVE !!!! AND LARRY JOHNSON & CO! WILL DLEIVER AT LEAST 200 YARDS ON THE GROUND !!!!!! SO THIS WILL BE A REAPEAT OF LAST WEEK , JUST KC / HERM EDWARDS WILL KEEP THE SCORE UNDER 30
NOW KC HAS JUST ENUFF BEEF UP FRONT TO SLOW DOWN OAK OFF ON CRITICAL 3RD DOWNS, AND ALSO DONT FORGET THE PENALTIES DOWN IN KC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH THE NITEMARES OF THE “SCHOTT” ERA!!!! U JUST CANT GET A BREAK DOWN THE THERE !!! THE REFS WONT LET U WIN THERE !!!! AMAZING!!!
SO HOPEFULLY ANOTHER BAD “RYAN” PERFORMANCE WILL FINALLY ELAS TO THE DISMISSAL OF RYAN & ALL CRONIES MUST GO !!!! IF RYAN GOES & MARTINGDALE STAYS IT IS THE SAME THING & NO IMPROVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!!!!
I VE BEEN THE ONLY GUY HERE CALIMING THIS FOR LAST 4 YEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!
IT AINT THE TALENT !!! ITS ” THE ROB RYAN ” ONLY !!!
PERIOD!!!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Terrapin is right there: So what if the O exected those plays we barely missed? So what if the ref would have called the holding as it was?
We still get spanked cuz our D would get beaten by any of the top ten college teams right now. I would actually like to see that, I would bet money on it with Ryan calling it.
If the D doesn’t change, we lose just like last year, only scoring more points in the process.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am
What a reversal of fortunes we have. Two years ago we all thought it was the offense putting the defense in bad situations. Now, its the defense putting the offense in bad situations.
Kiffin game play was solid given his talent and young QB. From that 1st drive you could see that Denver couldn’t stop the run and the O was going to score.
But sht got out of hand and the defense put the O in a bad situation to play to their weakness and not their strength. Kiffin had to strap is play in the 2Q.
The defense was beyond comprehension horrible. Hopefully they right themselves vs KC.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Raider4Life Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Swiss,
Cheers bro, glad you notice the O is much improved.
I feel that they showed glimpses of greatness here and there. Ain’t seen that in God knows how long.
The D showed us #$%t. All night. Thanks for backing me on that one.
You really in Switzerland?
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Of course the O improved, if anybody tells me anything diffrent, he saw a other game! Miller will be a Pro Bowler in a few seasons, trust me, if Walker can step it up and we fix the LT-position we’ll be an over average offense in this league and with this young guys at the key positions this will be getting something big!!! Just imagine what would have happened, if the Refs saw the holding on Miller, Curry would have bought glue before the game and put it on his gloves and the Refs weren’t paid by the Broncos (The second “personal-foul” by Hall is something you see every game and it’s never called)
I don’t need to back you up, it’s just so obvious!
Yes I am in Switzerland, born and grown up here (of course you can see it on my english) but I play football myself and probably will come to Oakland once to “improve my english” (of course I will do that during the season)! xD
September 10th, 2008 at 8:39 am
You know what….all of you fools are full of it….what kind of signal would it be if we fired a coach right now…..1 game into the season….how many of you have played ball and know what it takes to learn schemes….you change that now, and we will be challenging Miami for a perfect season……we at least have a chance right now to win a few games……lets fix what we can and get through the season…..hell New Orleans started 0-4 last year right and almost made the playoffs so shut the hell up about moving out coaches….Al Davis should die and then we will be ok….I would prefer to have Amy Trask running the team……maybe she will allow our coaches to coach.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Ok Goon, you are right. I AM sick of defending the O for looking good and “almost” making the reception; “almost” scoring. No more BS, either you score or you do not. And they did not. Have not been. No more excuses for these under-achievers.
But I will tell you this much Goon. . . the O has a much better shot at being good than the D does. No question about it.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I don’t think the Raiders should “open-it-up!” I think it takes a while to develop a passing game from scratch. I was disgusted by some of the play calling though. I think they need to pass a bit more during the 1st quarter. They have the running game but teams will crowd the LOS and stop the Raiders. To combat this, Oakland must throw but it doesn’t have to be a 15-40 yard pass. Use Miller and Curry and do what they do best and that is work the underneath routes. Lets go Raiders!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Max E. _ I hear what you’re saying brother and Rob Ryan needs to be canned imo but its too late for that now. The best you can do is elevate someone already on the staff that’s familiar with the scheme; but has A LOT more aggression and the players would love to play for. Thats the best you can do right now and maintain some continuity.
But they have to get someone else in after the season is up. That much is certain after the debacle Monday night.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:48 am
I can accept that….AFTER the season…….
September 10th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I love the Raiders as much or more than just about anyone. However, seeing Al destroy this franchise makes me sick. All of you who think he wants to win more than anything are drinking too much of the Kool Aid. Al wants it done his way more than anything. He doesn’t give a rats azz about us the fans. He is doing his best to get Kiffin to quit so he won’t have to pay him. After that he will install a guy (Lofton)who will do exactly as he says. You’all can’t see the writing on the wall. His fingers are in everything except what Kiffin can control directly. Everything else is Al including the defense. The only way they will win a game this year is by accident. The players very soon will quit all together and just hang on for the money (Randy Moss, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Art Shell) Why do you think all these old time ex-Raiders like Jim Plunkett, Jim Otto, Tom Flores, George Atkinson, ect. don’t intervene? Cuz they are all yes men and bow down to Al. If you keep supporting Al you are a fool. Love the Raiders from afar until he is gone. Until that time comes expect the same old sh*t since coming back to Oakland (Gruden era excluded). NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL HE IS GONE!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Max E Padd………..I agree about how hard it is to learn schemes, and I feel Kif should stick around, but damn dude, Ryan is a cancer in our team and has proven it for four years.
Swiss – mad cool you are Raider Nation and never even lived in the States. Big up. I was born and raised in Vegas and now live in Australia, getting games on tv is a pain in the ass as they are nearly never aired. Only espn games. How is coverage there?
September 10th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Guys…..All I see is a bunch of talk….everyone who walks into the stadium that post on this blog or any other just talk. I never see any signs from the stands that say he should go. I never see anyone picket outside of the stadium saying that he should go….I guess we have to be as bad a Detroit for 10-15 years for that to happen……All a bunch of talk……..
September 10th, 2008 at 8:55 am
I am sure there are ways to put pressure on the NFL to force the Raiders to get rid of Davis…….Hall of Fame or not…..
September 10th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Morning NATION!
Ok we all agree that ryan is the problem. So how come AL doesn’t see it?
September 10th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Or maybe the Nation can purchase the Raiders, just like the Packers…….I am sure there are some sharp business men on here that could work it out…..I have loved this team for as long as I can remember and it kills me that we suck this bad…….I want to do something about it, and if that meand putting up cash, I am down!
September 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
We need to think outside the box, unlike our D-Coordinator.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Rob Ryan is a traitor plain and simple…..
he wants to be head coach so he undermines this team.
how is it that he has been DCO the last 5 years is beyond me. He said he has 10 teams lined up if he leaves the NATION. whatever team takes ryan is plain stupid. ryan works for the NFL and not the NATION. He is here to make sure we lose.
what happended to all the blitz stuff we saw in pre sea?
what we no longer have the personel to blitz. So in reality it doesnt make a diffrence how long it takes to learn a scheme. we are allready F@CK with ryan here anyway….
September 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
I see a five win season with multiple flashes of brilliance from both J Russ and D Mac. I see the D doing very little aside from Aso having a Pro Bowl year.
I see a fair few losses by a td or less, and only cuz the O scores enough to keep it close. The D will stop nothing at all game in, game out.
I ditch work every Monday (sunday game time in the states is Monday morning here) just to watch games and hope for in-game highlights of the Nation, but will be doing it this year without much expectation. And that sucks.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:03 am
408–I’m surprised at you. Ryan is “a” problem, but he is just one of Al’s many puppets. Al wants Kiffin out. So he uses RR to force him out. Al never realized Kiffin’s stubborness or toughness. When Kiffin first started to rebel against Al he tried to force him out. Since that didn’t work he is using other means. Come on people wake up. This cancer is only going to get worse until it is completely removed.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
My reply was zapped. It basically said that Kiffin’s conference yesterday can be summed up as this:
“Monday was horrible. We did some things well, and was burned on a lot of other things. We will try better this week, but if we don’t, at least you know we tried.”
September 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Raider4life – I agree between the two the O does have a better shot at being good. But when will that shot occur? All I see is an O that still….can’t pass block, still…can’t sustain drives, and still drops passes and fumbles. The O continues to look unprepared and overwhelmed. Using the “if this woulda, coulda, shoulda,” argument to defend bad play on the O is real old at this point. At some point, one of these years the O has to execute and if it doesn’t it’s the coaches fault not the owner. The coaches are responsible for having the O and D prepared not the owner.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Max E Padd
that idea is so good it is ridiculous. I swear to God I will kick down dough re mi to own a share of my Raider Nation, and to have brainstorming control over marketing and recruiting; I would give a nut for coaching control.
There is no reason the Nation Collective cannot buy out Al and follow the Packers’ lead. No reason. Think of the dominance the team would have with a Nation of rabid and dark fans behind it, OWNING it.
THAT IDEA IS THE POOP RIGHT THERE. THE POOP.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Sup Thec?
So what do we do? Short of lynching Ryan we have no options.
Its gonna be another long depressing year for the NATION! Some how some way we’ll get thru it!
RAIDER ON
September 10th, 2008 at 9:07 am
True Gooney Goo Goo,
but Al has a head set on inbetween plays to J-Russ’s helmet and Morrison too. Why do you think he gets pissed off when they show him on TV. He can’t call a play and the team actually does good. At least thats what I noticed in the 3rd and 4th on Monday.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Nate–Doesn’t that press Conference sound a lot like “uh well I tried to make the offense run as best I could, but Ryan won’t do anything I say on defense”. “uhh not much I can do, but I’m not gonna give Al the satisfaction by quiting.” “Besides, my wife and I already owe too much on that house we bought and I don’t think Pete will take me back”.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
JERRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY,
We need to know how to buy the team………….This plan needs to be set in motion. We need someone here or somewhere in the nation to call or find an owner from Green Bay and find out how they bought the packers.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Max,
Nice idea. In 2007, Forbes valued the Raiders at $812m. Given the credit crunch, that value hasn’t increased and I would suggest an opening offer around the $770m mark would be sensible. So, if we (the Nation) wanted to retain a controlling 51% share, we would need to find about $390m. If we offered bonds of $100, we would need to sell 3,900,000. A tough ask, but not impossible.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
408, what my NATION brethren…… I love the Idea of the collective buying out the NATION.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:12 am
I got $5K in on it right now.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Monta’s Ankle Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:03 am
408–I’m surprised at you. Ryan is “a” problem, but he is just one of Al’s many puppets. Al wants Kiffin out. So he uses RR to force him out. Al never realized Kiffin’s stubborness or toughness. When Kiffin first started to rebel against Al he tried to force him out. Since that didn’t work he is using other means. Come on people wake up. This cancer is only going to get worse until it is completely removed.
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Don’t be .. I agree Al is also a problem but to think he would purposely put our beloved Raiders in a position to loose just to get rid of Kiffin is just ridiculous .. Come on man he spent big money trying to bring in talent he wants to win he just doesnt know how to any more!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:12 am
True goon, woulda coulda shoulda is ridiculous.
Take responsibility. Be accountable.
The O problems are Kif’s fault. I agree.
But the D problems are Al’s fault mate. Al’s. Why? Because he is the one who kept Ryan in the first place. Yes, Ryan is at fault. Accountability falls on him directly. Responsibility falls on Al.
Now, how bout kickin in on our buyout? Padd has a great idea brewing. . . . .
September 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Gotta talk to my boss (Wife) about a loan……she controls the funds….I just make um….
September 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Selling bonds is interestiong, what would be the ROI on the bonds?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Kiffin is the only god damn coach that has stood up to the imbecil called Al Davis, however you guys dont want him, you want another stupid coach that will try to play the long ball and listen to Davis all year long, resulting in more Art Shell type seasons.
Look at what Kiff has done to our offence with mediocre players and rookies. He made us a good running team and now we can at least have a decent passing game. However Davis continues to give him stupid players like Javon Walker.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Thec Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
408, what my NATION brethren…… I love the Idea of the collective buying out the NATION.
Ok IM In I’ll put up my sons college fun! He don’t like school anyway but the princess’ school money is off limits!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:15 am
We all have to be accountable for our team….no excuses from this point…..If you are tired of it as I am, lets do something about it……we need to put the word out to the press….every blog, every notable reporter, Adam Shefter…..we need to start a website and have raidernews publish a link……whatever you do, do not broadcast to anyone affiliated with the team….al could take the fans to court.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:16 am
no bullshyt guys…………….I am tired of this…………..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Max E Padd,
Why don’t you try some truth versus your continued science fiction. Big AL doesn’t have a headset in the owners box, he uses a phone to call the sidelines. And it only weakens your already lame argument that Big AL is masterminding schemes and plays to J-Russ and Morrison by why of a headset. How ridiculous. And Big AL has ever right to be pissed. Did you not see the game? Were you not pissed? And the 3rd and 4th were much better than the 1st and the 2nd to me.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
The NATION owning the NATION is the best idea i have heard in the last 24 hours.
Problem with NFL ownership is that it is a “good ol boys” network. I love all my NATION brothers no matter what color they are, but to own a team in the NFL you need to be of caucasian decent. I understand the packers situation, but ask yourself who controls the situation?
Hell of an idea non the less…..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
4life says
I ditch work every Monday (sunday game time in the states is Monday morning here) just to watch games and hope for in-game highlights of the Nation, but will be doing it this year without much expectation. And that sucks.
dats gangsta! If only our D would play with that passion we’d be fine!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Thec……
The ROI initially would be 2-3% based on revenue that the team makes from outside sales and ticket sales…..I would assume…..as the team WINS it would obviously go up…..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I cant believe how Raider fans fail to see how good of a coach Kiff is, if our stupid owned would have given him control of the team this last offseason we would now be talking of how sexy we looked on Monday.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I just don’t understand man: This guy was given Nnamdi Aso, Gibril Wilson, Michael Huff, DeAngelo Hall, Tommy Kelly, Derrick Burgess, Thomas Howard, Warren Sapp some years back and he manages to make them all look bad. This sht is laughable if it weren’t so true. I’m just grinning right now.
These are immensely talented players. What we saw Monday night should never had happened.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Padd, all good on the “boss” sitch
i got five g’s to add as well. just dropped ten to go home to Vegas for Christmas or would offer that.
Scottish Raider, nice work on the numbers there bro.
With the net tools out there today such as facebook, you tube, etc there is no reason this can’t be networked into reality. Max may have been slightly joking but I feel it is a brilliant idea.
And if you don’t believe networking would work, people telling people, creating buzz, telling people, blah blah blah, look at amway for pete’s sake. billions for like fifty years. we can use that technique to get word out until the buzz is large enough for s$%t to really start happening.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Max E, term or life of the bond?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:22 am
For anybody interested, here are the full Forbes 2007 valuations:
2007 Forbes List of NFL Team Valuations
The 3 figures are the Team Current Value ($mil), 1-Yr Value Change (%) and the Revenue ($mil)
1 Dallas Cowboys 1500 28 242
2 Washington Redskins 1467 3 312
3 New England Patriots 1199 2 255
4 Houston Texans 1056 1 225
5 Philadelphia Eagles 1052 3 224
6 Denver Broncos 994 2 212
7 Chicago Bears 984 4 209
8 New York Giants 974 9 195
9 Cleveland Browns 969 0 206
10 New York Jets 967 10 193
11 Baltimore Ravens 965 2 205
12 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 963 1 205
13 Kansas City Chiefs 960 7 196
14 Carolina Panthers 956 2 203
15 Miami Dolphins 942 3 215
16 Pittsburgh Steelers 929 6 198
17 Green Bay Packers 927 2 197
18 Tennessee Titans 922 4 196
19 Seattle Seahawks 921 4 196
20 Cincinnati Bengals 912 11 194
21 Indianapolis Colts 911 9 184
22 St Louis Rams 908 8 193
23 Arizona Cardinals 888 13 189
24 Detroit Lions 870 4 189
25 New Orleans Saints 854 16 194
26 San Diego Chargers 826 13 192
27 Buffalo Bills 821 9 189
28 Oakland Raiders 812 10 189
29 Jacksonville Jaguars 811 9 189
30 San Francisco 49ers 799 9 186
31 Atlanta Falcons 796 9 185
32 Minnesota Vikings 782 9 182
So, it would be cheaper to buy the Vikes, relocate them to LA (high profitabilty) and rename them the LA Real Raiders.
Al’s white blanket would go brown at the thought.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
“So, if we (the Nation) wanted to retain a controlling 51% share, we would need to find about $390m. If we offered bonds of $100, we would need to sell 3,900,000. A tough ask, but not impossible.”
The league would find a way for this not to happen, dont even think about it. Give a team to the most dangerous fans the NFL has? yeah right
September 10th, 2008 at 9:27 am
408 you have me pegged. I am gangsta when it comes to my attitude to the Nation. Every trip home to the States I go to a game, and will be at the Cheatriots game on the 14th of December, most likely beating the #$%^ out of a Cheatriot fan if they run their mouth anywhere in my vicinity. I bleed silver and black and the temperature of that blood is always near boiling.
Now, more about buying our damn team. Max you are right about doing it carefully………
September 10th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Sorry to disappoint all of you, but the guy who is next in line is his son Mark. This dude is even more of a nut than Pops. Al is a Hall of Famer and has done great things for the league and made the Raiders great. However, he made
September 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
The NATION as a collective is very passionate could be very powerful. there are a lot of former raiders, and raider fans that are tired of this debacle. At a minimum this will get some press…… I am in.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
MR Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Dakota, I know you want my limbs cut off, but you’re post debunking the Al Davis mythology was great. (great).
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No, I would rather just break all the bones in your limbs and then spend 48 hours grinding the broken ends together…I would never permanently remove your limbs, that would be cruel and unusual.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Dakota,
I thought it was really awesome the way your question about who was behind AD caused his computer to have a brain fart. Good Job!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Mista…that was not me calling you a world class prick in #644 or thereabouts.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Thec Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
The NATION owning the NATION is the best idea i have heard in the last 24 hours.
Problem with NFL ownership is that it is a “good ol boys” network. I love all my NATION brothers no matter what color they are, but to own a team in the NFL you need to be of caucasian decent. I understand the packers situation, but ask yourself who controls the situation?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:30 am
and no I was not joking…..I have thought about this since I saw all of the footage of the owners in GB when they were announcing that Brett would not be back…….and you know what Groot….stop being a pessamist man…….if you are tired of being the butt of all jokes from the NFL, both fans and announcers……like I believe we all are, then something has to happen…..there is no one in this world who wants to live in silence and not be heard, even the troubled Raider Nation……With the right representation, we can do anything, including buying the Raiders!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Repost:
Calm down, folks — It’s just one game. Half the NFL is 0-1 right now, including some teams expected to go deep into the playoffs.
Do you think it hurts us more or less than it hurts San Diego to be 0-1 right now? I guarantee you, it hurts exactly the same.
Fans shouldn’t be embarrassed — they can change their allegiances as easily as taking off their hats (and many do, due to their own weakness of character). But players and coaches, GM’s and owners all should be plenty embarrassed, and determined to rebound with a better effort next week. Not the rest of the year, but next week.
And when next week gets here, they need to worry about the next play — not the last play, or the last play of the game. The next play, period. That’s coaching 101, and that’s where the coaches failed this team.
Kiffin? Failed by not playing the right players at certain times, especially when the starters didn’t get the job done. Staying with Fargas and McFadden exclusively was a failure. It’s quite possible the best complete RB on this team didn’t even get into the game until the 4th quarter. Michael Bush deserved better, as did the rest of the team. The offensive play-calling wasn’t that bad — except we didn’t back-up the Denver D by stretching the field. Curry is not the burner, and he shouldn’t be the guy 40-yards downfield imitating one. The young guys — inexperience and all — should’ve been used more effectively. McFadden was misused about half of his plays, while Kiff was trying to make a point establishing him as an iside threat.
Also — score out of reach or not — there should’ve been an onside kick after each Raiders score…instill a fighting spirit and never-say-die attitude in this team of non-achievers. Laying down was weak BS. Kiffin blew his chance to coach this team right to the finish, ugly as it was.
Ryan? Reinforced his failures as a coach. Good drinking buddy maybe, but certainly no leader of men. DeAngelo Hall needed to be yanked, at least for a few plays. Then, he needed to have his head yanked-off and put back on in the right direction. Yelling at your players (friends) after the score is basically out of hand means nothing, except you’re pi$$ed off. Who wasn’t? Poor scheme and poor execution = poor game. And, RR can’t adjust on the fly — much like the great Raider Art Shell was as a head coach. RR’s failures as a leader are exacerbated with every loss — close or blowout.
The players? Especially on D, they should be the most embarrassed of all — especially the guys breaking their own arms telling the world how good they are. Hall and Morrison especially showed their weaknesses, and no matter how Kiff wants to soften the blow, they should’ve been called to task for their blown assignments. The D-line? Not as bad as in the recent past…just thankful Richardson was all-out, all night. No quit, and lots of pride.
Al? Al didn’t draft to my satisfaction the past few years, but he certainly didn’t miss a single tackle last night. He didn’t set the defense, and he didn’t tell Kiff what to call, who to play, or when to play them. Al’s failings as a GM are no different than any other GM/owners’ are, and at some point his coaches need to coach and his players need to play. On paper and on the field, this team has as much talent as half the teams in the NFL. Ostensibly, that should mean we should be about middle-of-the-road in W-L columns, but we all know we haven’t been. Given that kind of talent (at least middle-ish), the coaches need to be held accountable.
RR should’ve been let go before Kiffin ever showed up, but now it’s too early in this season to do it. Another debacle next week, and it needs to be done regardless. 0- or 1- and anything by the Bye Week, and RR and Kiff should both be gone.
This team isn’t that team…..but back in the day, the Oakland Raiders were absolutely destroyed by the Patriots 48-17 in mid-season. A complete destruction if there ever was one, and an embarrassment to all involved wearing Silver & Black. That team was stacked with Hall Of Famers, and went on to win the Super Bowl in dominating fashion after the ‘76 season.
This team can be better than last year — and as I’ve been saying all along, 8-8 would be a great, achievable step forward. But, it needs to happen one play at a time, and it needs to be done by breaking-down opponents and matching-up to them play after play. That’s done by coaching what you’ve got. This staff has the talent to get there, and just like their players, they all need to learn how to get over their own self-created bad luck.
There is no birth-right to winning football games and championships. Hard work, successful planning, and players who succeed against all odds are how these things happen. An a$$-kicking to start the season isn’t the end of the year…but a repeat any time soon will spell doom for this team (and head coach) trying to grow up.
Raider On!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I’d be willing to come in on that investment as well. It’ll never happen, but I’d be down for sure!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
We could set it up as a unit trust, all shareholders owning a beneficial interest in the team, but with a specific time period; deed to team held in trust by an independent custodian for security, and all shareholders having DIRECT control via proxy vote in regards to personnel.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
The mediocre players on the O were not all selected by Kiffin very true but several were only to have him turn around and say the team lacks talent. Who wanted JLH, Kiffin. Who wanted Mario Henderson, Kiffin. And the list goes on and on. Walker didn’t even play and your blaming him for the loss or lack of offensive production? JLH can’t get on the field and the young WR’s like Chaz etc., well we saw Monday night what a real talented rookie WR can do. Denver loses their #1 WR and they start their rookie and he does well. When our #1 WR went down we had to go to the scrap hep to pick-up A.Lelie. What does Kiffin want? This is almost a completely different team from the one he inherited. Kiffin’s fingerprints are all over this team and he refuses to take responsibility for it’s failure. Blaming Big AL is an easy media driven out. Man-up Kiffin and get out Ryan.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:34 am
enough about the Davis clan….money talks….bullshyt walks….if we came up with the cash, we own the team…ottom line……and I am proud to know that Al Davis did so much for the team and league and just like Gene Upshaw……he will never be forgotten……………but just like a busted marriage and relationship…..we have to move on to what the rest of of need in our lives….success and honor…..not the treatment we have all gotten from everyone out there that hates the team….I want them to hate us, but only because we are kicking their a@@ all over the field…..let them talk crap then…………
September 10th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Well, as I read article after article, I feel as though I need to comment on what I thought of DeAngelo Hall. I think before we start trashing on him, we need to take a look. First, he’s no Asomuagh. We all know that. But seriously, can we blame him for playing 10 yards off when he knows Cutler is gonna have 10 seconds to throw the ball? If we had any pressure at all, it would be a completely different situation. If all he has to do is play 3 seconds (like the time Russel had), He’s good enough to cover. And what the Heck are we playing zone so much for when we have cover corners? Well, it’s because we have NO pressure on the QB. We gotta blitz hard and often. Give our great secondary a chance to make plays, not sit back because the receiver has all day to run around. Just one mans opinion I guess.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:35 am
can i wake up now?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:37 am
So who’s in with the hostile corporate take over of the Raiders?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:37 am
“Kiffin’s fingerprints are all over this team and he refuses to take responsibility for it’s failure.”
Wrong, he takes responsibility, he’s the only one taking the blame while Al Davis and Ryan are taking their naps.
You gave me an example of a 3rd round pick and a 2nd day draft pick, thats all Kiffin got to choose? cause if thats it, I dont see how “Kiffins fingerprints are all over the team”.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Fool,
You can go ahead an keep trying to claim that there were better options than McFadden at the #4 position, but I will disagree. McFadden will be a great RB…those two DTs have a chance to be okay.
I’ll take greatness over medeoracy any day of the week. He was a must pick for us and will be our star, along with Russell.
Now, I certainly think Al blew the rest of the draft on Hall and those track stars when there were plenty of serviceable DTs still on the board.
And besides drafting D at #4 would just have placed another great player in the incapable fat hands of ROB FUKING RYAN…and that would have been a waste of epic proportions. How many players has he failed to develope? How many 1st and 2nd rounders, high priced players and pro-bolw players does this guy need to get the job done?
So you can take your opinion about McFadden and go cry in the corner. Almost everone here agrees that McFadden is going to be a stud. Long, Ellis and Dorsey have show us NOTHING so far. We made the right choice, but blew it by ignoring the important o-lines and d-lines in free agency and the draft.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am
408 and everyone here as well as everyone that is just coming on board, we need to get ownership of the team and do it quick…..all of the nation to won a stake in the team like the packers…..we need to put the word out to the Nation guys….find out what the true interest is in the world in something like this happening……and I think Raiders4life has the ideas to get us there……
September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Dakota:
What up mang? Hey I saw you asked Jerry who the female angel of death was standing behind Al. Classic bro, classic!! I was laughing so hard I fell out of my chair.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Max E. Padd
Wake up dude.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Raider4Life Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
We could set it up as a unit trust, all shareholders owning a beneficial interest in the team, but with a specific time period; deed to team held in trust by an independent custodian for security, and all shareholders having DIRECT control via proxy vote in regards to personnel.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Thec, when you said “at a minimum it will get some press” that is too true.
So what if we don’t actually pull it off, right?
Just getting the ball rolling will shake up the entire league, especially AD and the players.
The buzz alone will do great things.
I am willing to call the team as soon as I get up (it is two thirty am here in Oz) and tell them the fans are going to begin a plan to buy the team. Just that call alone, with more placed to the right media would get things going.
we could start with the Tribune, right in Oakland
September 10th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Einstein….get on board bro…..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
4 life,
I am trying to get Jerry to respond……..tick tock……
September 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hall was told by ryan to play back as not to get beat deep! Heard it in serius this morning! So I’ll give Hall the benefit of the doubt for now but ryan has had far to many chances!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
looks like the live chat would be a great point to go on to………
September 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Exla and Einstein,
Yes, I was surprised as well when I saw that question pop up on the screen. Moderator Jon or whomever must have had a sense of humor yesterday.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:46 am
GrootegoesSC post# 833. You’ll never convince him man. The Davis apologists can’t be reasoned with. They know that every single decision (draft, free agency, defensive coaching) has to be approved by Davis yet they never blame him for the results.
Kiffin had nothing to do with the Kelly money. Nothing to do with the Hall trade and signing. Nothing to do with the Walker contract. Nothing to do with the defensive schemes. Nothing to do with the defensive coaching staff. Yet they want to blame him for our problems. We’re going to be in salary cap hell with a bunch of overrated punks because of Davis, yet they want to blame Kiffin.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Its not Kiff guys…….
September 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
So are we all agreeing on mutiny of Davis?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
I have’nt had time to read all the post but are you guys wanting to buy controlling interest in the team?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
we dont need no stinking salary cap!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
4life,
Lets get the bal rollin……how do we get in touch with one another?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
915
yes sir!
either that or lynch ryan!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Not a mutiny…..a buyout of the majority share of the team………..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Over throwing Davis would be like trying to over throw Sauron in Mordor WITH the ring. It’s impossible.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
“Einstein”…….telling Max to wake up……
bro, how many people told the real einstein to wake up when he spoke of his ideas?
or henry ford?
or newton?
or columbus?
Nobody plans to fail bro, they fail to plan.
If the wake up principle was to be listened to, England would own America to this day, but NO. We said, hey, I see a land free from British rule. And with that dream and passion backing it, whipped their ass.
So………………………
September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
We need 390 Million guys….lets look at that in simplistic terms…..I am going to ask some serious questions here…..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Max E. Padd Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
4life,
Lets get the bal rollin……how do we get in touch with one another?
the408RAIDER@yahoo.com
Im IN
September 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Raider4Life Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Swiss – mad cool you are Raider Nation and never even lived in the States. Big up. I was born and raised in Vegas and now live in Australia, getting games on tv is a pain in the ass as they are nearly never aired. Only espn games. How is coverage there?
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Yeah, I got NASN (North American Sports Network) they show 4 live and 2 as-live games per week, so the Raiders are not often aired… week 4 they’ll be next on NASN! But I’m trying to watch the other games on the Computer, the quality is bad and sometimes I can’t even do that, so I just watch the Scoreboard on nfl.com. Yeah it’s hard, but theres no other option to see the Raiders play and I got to see them play!!!
I’m in with the “buying the franchise”-idea, we don’t even have to really do it, just make it public and it will make some noice! If some people really set something up. Every fan will get to know this idea and if every third brings about one thousand $ we’ll can go far…
September 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
how many raider fans are there in the world…….honest answers please
September 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
The smart move might be for the Nation to take one of eight $100m shares and sell the other seven shares to investors.
Now, if we relocated the franchise to one of the three markets targeted by Goodall (LA, Las Vegas or San Antonio), I am sure we would find commercial and corporate partner willing to take up the seven shares.
This would mean that we wouldn’t own the Raiders but, we could structure the constitution to give the Nation a disproportionate say over football matters (GM hire, Head Coach, veto on trades, etc.).
Not as democratic as the Packers – possibly more realistic given the huge sums involved.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
That’s eefing crazy!!! I like it. IM IN!!! Got to get back to work but I like the idea. Whos going to put it together. Is anyone a lawyer?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Swiss…..exactly thats where I am going with this
September 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Why would Hall have to play back to not get beat deep? Isn’t he one of the fastest players in the nfl? If anyone should be playing in press, it should be him because he can catch up..?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am
come on guys….i need answers to work out $$$$$
September 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
oh 4life bringing the heat on post #853!
Get down with your bad self brother!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:56 am
HOW MANY RAIDER FANS ARE THERE IN THE WORLD??????
September 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Max, hit me up at jamesandpeanut@yahoo.com. We can get this @$%^ rolling for sure. I dont know how long it will take or whatever, but just putting the word out there is more than enough for me. We can brainstorm ideas for the first few days or weeks until we have a strong opening drive mapped out.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
1 Million?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Even if you guys get all the money needed, no way Davis sells the shares.. In his eyes he isn’t doing anything wrong. He thinks he has the best players in the nfl and its the coaches who aren’t bringing out the best in them..
September 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am
5 million?
September 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am
SAC……thats not the point….Mike Ditka said it as best as it could be said….the NFL needs the Raiders to be winners….so they can all hate us……I want them to hate us……but when we win…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
so lets say that there are 2 million Raider fans who are out there……
September 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Sac
I don’t know! why is Ryan still our DC? I was just repeating what I heard on serius!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Goals of the NATION collective
1. Setup True NFL structure within the Raider Organization this would me a clean sweep of everyone including trask.
2. Hire all new blood, new meaning new to the NATION collective. Key hires GM, Player Personnel/scouting dept, and Hr dept.
3. Improve the Image of the NATION.
4. Become relevant by putting a winning product on the field.
5. Increase the value of the NATION. This franchise should be one of the top 3 NFL franchises in terms of value yet the NATION is worldwide we need to capitalize on that. We are 28th….
6. Improve profitability of the franchise.
7. Win SB in 5 yrs max.
8. Build the Dynasty, and return the NATION to it glory.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:01 am
If you guys really want to do your jobs as fans here’s what to do:
Start putting pressure on Al Davis. Blogs, Signs at the stadium, anything a normal fan can do.
Not this “buyout” the Raiders thing.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
out of those 2 million, some just wear the shirt and cause problems……….then there are the semi professional blue collar workers who make money….enough to go to a few games a year maybe and enjoy the team……then there are those white collars who make a lot of money and can carry the weight…..not to mention as stated earlier corporations who would love the revenue…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
no way max, more.
that was what i was gonna post next bro!
think of europe, south america, africa, i know a fair few here in australia bro.
with scottish’s figures at around three hundred mil to buy out, and only one million fans that is an average of only three hundred measley bucks a share dude. any fan would find that money to have a certificate of shared ownership framed on their $%^^ing wall dogg.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Consider me officially in…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:03 am
out of that I could assume that 4-5 thousand people could put up $100, right?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
There is a lot of Raider Fans in Jamaica.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Jerry,
If you are listening, the NATION Collective wants to buyout AL Davis and retain controlling interest in the team. Terms of the deal are being worked on as we speak.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am
ok so based on your assumption though, how many of those would be willing to put up the cash…..$350 is $350…….I know you have to look at the percentage of who will pout up more too….like myself….5-10K would cover a percentage of the fans who dont want in or who can only spot in increments of $100
September 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am
100$ shoot I’ll put in 5000$
September 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Ok, so lets say we do go with this plan and get majority interest of the team, can the first law we institute be NO PHUKING COSTUMES AT THE GAMES BESIDES DARTH RAIDER!!
It’s damn emberassing to see these clowns on T.V. Since when did “Pinhead” and “Gene Simmons” have an affiliation with the Raiders?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
there are a lot of upper echelon guys that are Raider fans and not just the Rappers… You have lawyers, business owners etc… the NATION Collective is a lot more powerful than we think. We need to have a web site buit for this task as well.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
I’m in on this, but I have to be President.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
LOL…….Einstein that would have to be a majority vote…and I can tell you that as one of those costume wearing wearing fools, my vote would be to buy more stock in the team then me…….
September 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Someone get ahold of that moron on PFT, He posts anything!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I’ll put in 4 myself my princess’ and my 3 nephews!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Thec…..Thats what I said earlier……in order to make this gain momentum we need the word out and a fast web designer who could support this move…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:09 am
I will spot the webhosting site……10 bucks a month for this is easily managed.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:09 am
“There is a little Raider in all of us”
September 10th, 2008 at 10:09 am
thats my dogg thec, my dogg. exactly.
return us to greatness. clean sweep of team with a few exceptions.
new era of dominance.
And it doesn’t matter if we can close Al on selling or not, you are missing the big picture sac, sorry bro, which is…..imagine the stir, the changes, when the FANS make a public offer to buy out the team, and it is REAL with REAL money. Just visualize it for a second and pretend you are Al. Message sent. Besides, the closing begins when the money is accumulated, and there is a lot of nasty business in closing and negotiating, gloves off. Espn will beef that up, the NFL will be all over the place about it………gold.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Who is the most famous Oakland Raider fan at this moment in time? anyone come to mind???
September 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Einstein….I am liking you more and more…..that is a great caption for the site……
September 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Kansas…….Me!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Einstein Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Ok, so lets say we do go with this plan and get majority interest of the team, can the first law we institute be NO PHUKING COSTUMES AT THE GAMES BESIDES DARTH RAIDER!!
It’s damn emberassing to see these clowns on T.V. Since when did “Pinhead” and “Gene Simmons” have an affiliation with the Raiders?
———————–
HEY what about my man GORILLA RILLA from the black hole?! He gets to stay too!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am
otherwie I would not have started this conversation about the buyout….I care that much…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am
After a heavy night of drinking and wallowing in despair, I have come to a few conclusions:
1. Al Davis would rather lose than admit he was wrong, that is the only explanation for why Ryan is still DC;
2. Blaming Kelly, and Hall, and Kirk and Huff and all the other defensive scapegoats is pointless at this time, because we do not know what kind of players they really could be under a 21st century defensive scheme and a competent DC that could maximize their potential;
3. The offense is on track for good things, but only if we can keep the opposition from jumping out way ahead and then forcing us to be one dimensional.
4. Russell is a rookie, but performed very well under those adverse conditions, and in a game where we get the lead and can establish a run game, Russell will be deadly…as long as Curry is not his WR;
5. Although I like Kiffin, and I think that his turnaround of our team last year was a testament to his potential abilities, Al Davis’ decision to refuse to fire Ryan and his subsequent request for Kiffins’ resignation hamstrings Kiffin’s ability to coach this team and makes it all but impossible for Kiffin to maintain the respect and attention of the players that he needs in order to win;
6. And finally, that despite many of our wishing it, Al Davis is going nowhere, and we are stuck with the most stubborn and incompetent GM in football, so the only option is to get rid of Kiffin. Kiffin will then sign on with SD or KC or Denver and come back to haunt us for years and years, but that is the sad state of the situation at this time and until Al Davis dies that will be what we as fans have to look forward too. Most fans will swallow all the Al Davis BS and still root for the Raiders, as will I, but I will never forgive him for being too stubborn to realize that he is ruining his legacy, and the legacy of the team we love. The only possibility I can see where I may turn my back on the Raiders is if Rob Ryan is named our next HC…laugh at that thought if you choose, but ask yourself these questions; How is it possible that Ryan is still our DC after all these years of incompetence? And if Davis fires Kiffin who else would want this job? Things in Oakland certainly have not gotten better in the eyes of the NFL community and so the only candidates that we can expect are retread loser coaches like Norv, or children like Kiffin…so Ryan may very well be our next HC. He obviously has the ear of Al Davis, and his is Al Davis’ preference over Kiffin, and he is the type of toady and sycophant that Al Davis loves to surround himself with, and the players love him (because he requests no accountability and allows naps and pizza parties during team meeting), so why not Ryan?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I have a BS and a MS, I nominate myself as President and to lead this revolution of business.
Being serious here, I will run this, I will make this work and successful. Give me the power to make things happen.
UNITE US, UNITES US, DO IT.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
I said famous not bloody…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Ice Cube, there is also a famouse tennis star who is a member of the NATION collective. Icnt think of his name though uggggghhh. I know this i am going to e-mail a VP at a fortune 500 company to se what he thinks.
I will also talk to a freind who setsup websites to see what he can do. we may be able to get this done on gratis for now……
The NATION Collective needs to stand up now…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
hahahaha guys…..lets get this moving……so we need to assign tasks for those who really want to do something about it…..use the internet it is a powerful tool……
September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Andy roddick?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Not sure if someone posted this already.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:14 am
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10421066?source=most_viewed
September 10th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Kiffin would be a good GM, but he is not an NFL Head Coach. We aren’t just 0-1, that was the worst loss we have had in the last 6 years, and it came at the hands of our most hated rival. What did Kiffin and Ryan do? Nothing, they rolled over, and took it with a smile.
If you think, after listening to his conference, yesterday that things are going to be different this weekend in KC; you’re an idiot. Kiffin has no fire. His demeanor, words, and body language was one of defeat. I was not inspired by his ho-hum, “We tried our best, and we will try our best again this weekend” speech. I don’t want them to try their best; I want them to win. That will not happen with Kiffin at the healm, and it won’t happen with a disgruntled Rob Ryan as DC. Both need to go.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:16 am
KANSASBLACK Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Who is the most famous Oakland Raider fan at this moment in time? anyone come to mind???
Carlos Santana!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Thec…..wooooooooo wooooooooo….slow your roll bro…….I dont want these big fortune 500 companies to think they are going to come in and turn this into a monarchy like it is now……we really need to think as to how it is going to be managed from a standpoint of not allowing it to ever get like this again………….
September 10th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Jerry needs to put this in print what we are about to do that would give us some trction, and he could feature this. It would be a feather in his cap that he scopped everyone on this one. Jerry I know you are reading this you need to jump on board. I know you care about the NATION…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
my boy KK would help us build the site and hook me up doing it. He has a web-building company called houseofhancock.com
He has ridiculous big name clients and is one of my closest boys. he likes the niners, but don’t hate on him for that, he supports me in all i do, a true friend.
he can get us on pay per clicks and major search engines, and we could do a site like “buytheraiders.com” or “raiderfansforownership.com” or Raidernationbuyout.com………….i can go all night baby.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
OK so Jerry would only be a piece to this……who wants to call NFL Network?
Their number is in the white pages……
September 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I cant understand the Vince Young drama.
The guy is on a good team that has a lot of promise, they won 10 games last year and are only going to improve. You couldn’t ask for a better coach in Fischer they pound the ball so the weight is clearly not on his shoulders.
But yet he is contemplating retirement? the only person who is talking during trios whole dramatic event is his mother.
Jamarcus Russell is one tough SOB mentally and physically to be able to endure what he has endured already. Imagine if we would have picked VY?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Post 897:
Dakota that post was so inspirational I stood up and said The Pledge of Allegiance, Sang the National Anthem, and hummed the Autumn Wind.
For real though Nation, read 897, Dakota is spot on the current situation of our beloved Raiders.
As in the great song of the SELLOUT band formerly known as Metallica… “SAD BUT TRUE”…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Max e, this guy is a Raider fan, I dont want his company involved the same company I work for i want his “network of people”. It is an Idea i would just pass along matter of factly that the NATION collective is tired of losing and wants to buyout Al davis and return the team to respectability…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Raiders…..I love you man……..ok so layout the design and I vote for buytheraiders.com
September 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Will Smith. Rich as hell to
September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Thec….make it happen then bro….make it happen…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Well, the only good that could come from Ryan being HC is that all of his power would be stripped and he couldn’t fck up the defense any more..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
ok so any takers on the NFL Network, or should I do it?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:23 am
OK so now we have the marketing of the buyout……who else should be sent this information……Hey Einstein….you have good ideas and seem to have a certain flow with words…..Do you want to propose a business plan or a document that depicts what our intentions are as fans?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Does anyone here know how to get in touch with Will Smith or Ice Cube?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Max E Padd
I’ll notify nfl network
September 10th, 2008 at 10:25 am
I am e-mailing him right now. The e-mail will read like this
Hello ????,
I know you are a RAIDER fan I hear some fans of the NATION Collective are trying to buy the RAIDERS, and return them to respectability what do you think about that?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:25 am
915,
Make sure that you tell then to get Shefter onboard…..there isn’t a spokesman yet but there is a lot of resolve in the group……
September 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
right, no fortune five hundreds. the point is for US, the real raider nation, to own the team. all of us.
it feels good to be the ones who got the ball rolling, hey max?
imagine, right now, we are all like the napster dude when he was in his dorm and the light bulb went off. this is our baby. far out that feels awesome.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Point him to this blog so we can get his input…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
got it
September 10th, 2008 at 10:28 am
hell yeah….I have just been waiting for everyone to understand how much we all have a part in this with the disappointment….and guys, dont let a win this weekend derail this…..this should be something that is going to get us going for the future…..I want to live to be one hundred years old and know that I contributed to making the Raiders the team of the decades again in 2010
September 10th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I vote buytheraiders.com
September 10th, 2008 at 10:30 am
we need to do something about it….cause I am tired of the bull already….I am tired of people laughing at us…..me inparticularly and I am tired of losing….I have neverbeen a loser and never stood for being a loser and I will not start now……we have a choice and mines is to be a raider for life…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:30 am
You guys need to form a corporation first…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:30 am
That tennis players name is Brad Garret (I think) he was the coach for Adre Aggasi.
Ice Cube
CC Sabathia
Tom Hanks
George Carlin
NWA (yeah boyeee)
MC Hammer
Slayer (namley Kerry King)
September 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
We need to get the website up and set it up so that we can blog on it. All transmissions should occur here and there….
I can see the NATION Collective pulling this off.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Will smith haven’t been a raider fan since the early 2000, he is a Philly boy now.. Ice cube is rich compared to you guys, but not to real rich people..
No – we need Tiger Woods to buy this sheit, let Kiffin be GM and HC the first 3 years, Kiffin will retire as HC and stay as GM, then Romeo Crennel would be HC.. and we would have a new trophy..
sad part is, if you game Al 5 bucs for the dollar, he wouldn’t sell, so this talk is pretty much redundant..
Now if some of you would put on a KC jersey and go end the old mans misery, then we would be in business.. cold fact, he has to die before we will win the division.. sad part is, Al knows this now..
I will never forgive Al for how he effed his and our legacy up the last 4-5 years..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Will Smith is a Eagles fan right?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Tiger Woods is a huge Raider fan. Maybe we can ask him to buy the team. Between him, Santana, Ice Cube, Brad Gilbert and the rest of us we can get it done, but not in Al’s lifetime. Once he is gone and Mark takes over he can be bought.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:32 am
max, you have my email address, use it when we get off this post.
i am going to email my boy and get on the ball with an answer to the website and the price.
and intent and mission statement is a great idea, and crucial to any endeavour.
i am hitting up darth raider now too.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
thanks for raining on our parade Negra, if you don’t want in then get out!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
666
were talking about buying out the RAIDERS you in?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:34 am
La……..
Come on bro…..thats not the point……the point is that we as the Raider Nation have to speak and be heard…….and when we speak as a group….our voice is louder then that of a tyrant……I will not settle for less from us fans…..we are not that type of crowd….we stand for what we believe in and do something about it……and thus far we have stood by and watched it happen for too long…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Can you imagine firing Kiffin and having then to face Shanarat and Kiffin twice a year each in divisional battles. Thats 0-4 to start every season. Keep Kiffin and we are down to 0-2. lol
September 10th, 2008 at 10:35 am
someone email Rod Woodson, he’ll have our back.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I think the NATION Collective should be involved in developing the mission statement….
September 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
919:
Sure will Max. I will create the document i.e. business plan. But, to prevent this document being a dictatroship type element, I will need input from everyone, so the document is kind of like the Declaration Of Independence…
We the people of the Raider Nation…
Life liberty and the pursuit to return the Raiders to glory…
We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, and that they are governed by certain unalienable rights, that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit to purchase the Raiders..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Hey, wooo! we can’t fire kiffin, he’ll end up taking us to the promise land.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
hey guys……myspace….all of the Raider Nation is up on there too…..I seen rillas site and voo doo…..I know the players are on there too…..we need someone with myspace experience to search and find them…..spread the word……we just need it to catch with one person with a little influence and we could all be sitting in the stauium someday making decisions like a true democracy of our teams future…..GB does it and damn it it is time for the Raider Nation to do it too.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
to be considered they need to have more than $400M ready.. only a few sport men has that ready..
those einstein’s list is just pathetic, they are good for 20-50m not near enough to be in this game..
The buyer needs to have so much doe, that its not make or break for him, it needs to be a pet project..
Furthermore, it needs to be someone who has his business in order, not just a glamour thug..
The richest sportsman ever, Michal Schumacher.. if you could live with a german owner, he never does something half, him and Tiger Woods.. then we would be in business..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:38 am
This is not about having someone with big money owning the team, we will need those heavy hitters to pull so weight, and be a face and voice for the NATION Collective….. The NATION should belong to the people.We put our heart into this team if nothing else the rest of the world will take notice, I am in this up to my eyes…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
LOL……Very true very true……but we have to apoint those with the best understanding of the interest of the Nation to generate the doc. Not everyone can put a letter together…….wait a minuite…….we will need letters from everyone…..we need to get this signed by people to get it moving….kind of like the votes needed to get something put on a ballot…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
What about that Roski guy in SoCal?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Nation, I have already prepared the required document to solve the Al Davis problem, someone just needs to sign it and file it in Alameda.
_____________________________________________________
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
COUNTY OF ALAMEDA
IN CIRCUIT COURT
JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
RAIDER NATION,
Plaintiff,
v.
AL DAVIS
Defendant.
ORDER FOR PSYCHIATRICEXAMINATION
A motion has been made by Raider Nation, the aggrieved party in this case, requesting the Defendant to submit to a psychiatric examination and the Defendant has entered a plea of not guilty and not guilty by reason of mental illness to the charges against him.
It is, therefore,
ORDERED, that the Defendant be committed to the Alameda County Behavioral Health Care Services at 2000 Embarcadero Cove, Suite 400, Oakland, CA 94606 for examination to determine the following:
1. Whether the Defendant has the present ability to understand the nature and purpose of winning in the National Football League;
2. Whether, at the time and place of the request for the resignation of Lane Kiffin as head coach of the Oakland Raiders, the Defendant was capable of knowing the wrongfulness of that act;
3. Whether, at the time and place of the decision to retain Rob Ryan as Defensive Coordinator of the Oakland Raiders, the Defendant was capable of knowing the wrongfulness of that act.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that such determination be promptly communicated to the Raider Nation and this Court. It is further
ORDERED that the Sheriff of this County transport and convey said Defendant, Al Davis, to the Alameda County Behavioral Health Care Services at 2000 Embarcadero Cove, Suite 400, Oakland, CA 94606 and deliver him into the custody of Satan, or his representative and that said Defendant remain in the custody of Satan until the examination is completed.
Dated this 10th day of September, 2008.
BY THE COURT:
_______________________________________
Circuit Court Judge
ATTEST:
______________________________ Clerk of Court
(SEAL)
September 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Ok this was probably answered already as usual I read late and there is like 900 coments already.
But to answer the question in post #108 on the off chance somebody did not do so already.
If i am not mistaken it was very late in the game and because Henderson is neither versistal enough or good enough to be active on game day.
They shifted Green to LT Gallery to RT and Chris Moris took over for Gallery at LG. But it was very late in the game so they did not use that O Line group real long.
a few other quick coments since I took the time to start this we knew the Raiders would go as there line go on both sides of the ball and neither the O Line or the D line did a real good job. D line does well they create pressure on the Qb and stop the run maybe the rest of The d unit as a whole plays better, and we aint all making fun of d Hall for getting schooled by a rookie. Yes it wa disapointing though that the secondary looked so bad in particular the safties. But again the D Line plays better so does the rest of the unit.
As for the O line well they protect a little better and show a little mre disipline the offence will function a bit better but we all know that its not rocket science.
As for Curry we know he cant strech the feild he is a 3rd or 4th WR on most teams.
He always did his best work when he was not the focal point of the passing game.
Maybe start AL even though he only been around for a week and hope he can stay healthy and then start one of the rookies and go from there they aint going to do anyworse and they certainly can motor down the field better then either Curry or Walker. In the end though the O line has to step it up and protect so Miller can be out running pass patterns since he is the only guy that seems to be abel to catch anything.
Whatever what do I know as bad as they played though I felt a lot better when I got to work and the girl that works the shift before mine was more piised off then me about how they was playing.
I think I finally found my dream woman to bad she is in reality to young for me.
Anyway keep the faith guys maybe someday they will be good again in our life time big Al cant live forever unless they already cloned him lol.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:40 am
LOL, DAKOTA THAT IS GREAT BRO!!
September 10th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Max E..
dream on pal.. so you think we the NATION would be a good leader of the franchise?
okay, we the NATION will, cant and wont agree on anything.. draft, HC, cheerleaders, you name it, no fan base is a diverse as our, and you want us to lead our team?
‘Too many chiefs too few indians’
yeah and on paper Sovjet was a good idea to..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Goals of the NATION collective
1. Setup True NFL structure within the Raider Organization this would me a clean sweep of everyone including trask.
2. Hire all new blood, new meaning new to the NATION collective. Key hires GM, Player Personnel/scouting dept, and Hr dept.
3. Improve the Image of the NATION.
4. Become relevant by putting a winning product on the field.
5. Increase the value of the NATION. This franchise should be one of the top 3 NFL franchises in terms of value yet the NATION is worldwide we need to capitalize on that. We are 28th….
6. Improve profitability of the franchise.
7. Win SB in 5 yrs max.
8. Build the Dynasty, and return the NATION to it glory.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Alright black militant, I have had enough of your negativity, move to have Negra removed from “the list”.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:44 am
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September 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
JERRY, You need to start a new post titled:
NATION Collective wants to buy the Raiders.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Negra…..Don’t say you didn’t have a chance……you have a lot of influence here and a lot of people trust things you say…..we need to pull together just like the team and get this rolling…….dont be the randy moss of the bunch…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Then I rather have it like Green Bay where the city own the team, and then let your elective chose who to lead our franchise..
yeah we will fare much better when its 100.000 fans leading us, than a senile old fart who was the best – NOT! then we will get the same, all decisions are based on gut-feeling..
We need some clever people to help this franchise, Kiffin is the first clever hired in a long time.. I was sure Al was on the right track when hi hired him, but ever since Al has been his old self..
‘The Dumbest Team in America’ Maybe he was talking about his players, but truth is the players just do what they are told.. its a sick franchise, and it needs a surgeon stat..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I have to run fellas. I will be back in a bit. Will get a draft proposal and run it by you for input… L8R
September 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
If this were Tiger’s team it would be the best franchise in pro sports. Would hire the best GM & coaches. Probably would be able to get us a new stadium too, but I imagine he would move them to LA. Once Al is gone I think this would be the best possible thing for the organization.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
For those of you in the NATION that can see us pulling this off you have vision, you will be part of the NATION Collective…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Nation,
I would like to nominate myself as GM of the Raiders, along with Raider Dell as Assistant GM. Together we would haul the Raiders out of Al Davis’ pit of hell.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
KansasRAIDER..
well sorry.. just visit this site for a week, and you see why the NATION wouldn’t be able to run a business
But you need to have some realism in your views.. I bet you 3 weeks ago said we would go 10-6, right?
So, no fans shouldn’t run a business, their views are clouded by wishful thinking..
and you want me of the list, LOL, cant you see you just changed tyrant but not system, I bet all employed by the raiders who said whats wrong, has been removed from Als ‘list’.. so there isn’t much change in this is there??
September 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Hey where is 915……did you call NFL Network???????Feelers guys….feelers…..
September 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
The greatness of Al Davis has left him. He obviously is no longer the visionary football mind that he once was. It’s sad. Honestly, I am now begining to doubt his sanity. The other team partners, or his family or a consortium of other NFL owners or even the NFL itself should step in at this point and save this franchise. Can we even field a competitive team at this point? He is ruining this proud organization. We are in total disaray. A laughingstock. It’s a football hell… help me…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Kelly should be an end, Higgins is useless, DMC has the same exact running style as fargas. Where was bush? Kiffin should have gone for the field goal instead of the punt from their 37! Never take points off the board.
On the flip sode, gallery and harris mowed em dwn on running plays. Aso was solid, special teams were decent…
September 10th, 2008 at 10:54 am
LOL if you guys pull it off more power to you but try and make it work in Oakland I am poor i cant afford to go ever see them in LA
at least while they are in Oakland i can afford to take in a game live every now and again maybe me and my to young for me dream lady an take in a game togeather. LOL 
I got to go go to bed almost 11 am past my bed time. Have a good day one and all.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
grootegoes,
Exactly…put tremendous pressure on the old man Al to step down and let it go.
Blogs, signs at stadiums, send complaint mail or email to him or Trask or his son. Flood Raider headquarters with complaint phone calls regarding how Davis needs to step down and bring in a GM…and re organize the front office.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Hey Negra…..America is built on people of this great nation….we all think a little different but we all have eachothers interests in mind when we make decisions that could make or break us as a nation…..we are a nation under that nation…..full of diversity and great minds….not just the thugs and heartless people who only have their ideas in mind….so9 yes you would have your own opinion of what we need to do to make this team better…..and everyone would need to respect that opinion…..and maybe there are enough people who feel the same….but we will never know if we dont try….
September 10th, 2008 at 10:56 am
dakota that was good @$%t right there. Nice letter.
A petition is what you are thinking of max my boy, and e-signatures can be done via buytheraiders.com by logging into a link my boy can provide easily.
enough sigs on that is a great start. and forget about the millionaire celebs. yes, some raider fans will have millions, but remember a wolfpack takes down a big ass meal that none one on one can handle. millions of us kicking in a hundred or more will do it. ever heard of the million man march? #$%t guys, that happened in a city, we have a whole World to unite.
i have more website names but i agree with you guys that my first one was the best. buytheraiders.com is a winner.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Do we all agree………buytheraiders.com?
September 10th, 2008 at 10:58 am
we need to all agree guys…….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am
On a side note, monday nights broadcast team had the worst of all time. The refs blew as well…
September 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am
No More….there was a lot of truth to Ditka though…..Mike and Mike are both haters
September 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I blamed the refs for the first quarter…and then I realized that the team simply sucks azz.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I’m IN
September 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am
“America is built on people of this great nation….we all think a little different but we all have eachothers interests in mind when we make decisions that could make or break us as a nation”
Muahahha what a load of bull manure!! everyone for himself you mean, right? “everyone is the architect of his own fortune”
September 10th, 2008 at 11:02 am
LMN
How ya doing bro? Tuff loss! We finally find something to take our minds of the reality of the impending doom that is our season and your being a total buzz kill!
Come on brother get on board its fun! At least maybe we can open ALs eyes and promote change!!
Ok its a huge maybe but its way better then being bummed out all damn day like yesterday!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I hope the silence is due to people moving to make this happen………….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I’ll throw my $200 million in to buy this franchise.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:03 am
NEGRA-
You are missing the point completely, I am in here all the time, I get what your saying but unlike you I don’t argue with fools because people from a view can’t tell who is who. We are trying to make a statement! If your saying there is absolutely no hope for this season with our team then you should have never been on “the list” in the first place. Yes, I do love this team and Yes my expectations were high. Remember when the grass is cut the snakes will show.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:06 am
I’m IN!!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Maxx E Padd..
I’m not saying I’m Not in, because I knew what happened Monday night looong time ago, but I was just thumped in the head, as the stupid european who doesn’t know sh1t..
but all my worries from prior the draft and right after, all got fulfilled monday night..
I stayed up for watching it, now I have tons of work the next week.. so thanks for nothing Al, eff you too, I got you hint, you don’t want us to watch your games or what?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:08 am
I want this more now then ever……..I want to be happy during the week and I want to have everyone blog about how great our team played and how good our coaches and players are…..but we can’t do that if we leave the problem there…something has to be done about it….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:08 am
LMN #978 you are spot on!!
Nice post I agree 100%
September 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
“Al needs to Go !”
September 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Kansas Raider..
LOL,what a lie, you are in here all the time, then why do you refer to me as NEGRA and not the way that most here does?
secondly, we know Al never will sell, so YES its redundant..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Where is KoolKell I want to hear his opinion.
I know I usually hate on him but desperate times call for desperate measures.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:10 am
buytheraiders.com works for me….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Kansas Raider I am in here all the time and this is the first I have seen of you.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Thec, good call. “Raider Nation plans to buy its team”…………
whole new post.
i have already emailed my friend at houseofhancock.com to help me set up buytheraiders.com.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Hey Kansas and Negra…..put your energy in something positive….we are all frusterated bros…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
LMN- typical blogger on here, run them down and run them down so just incase things don’t go right for the team you can say I told you so. To many people like you on here. But I wouldn’t expect you to know anything about the American Dream.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
# SilverNBlack666 Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Kansas Raider I am in here all the time and this is the first I have seen of you.
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Exactly =)
September 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
s&b666- you don’t have to look very hard at previous threads to find me lingering around… I see you all the time. Hows it going bro???
September 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
A group of investors bought 20% of the team during the off season. I know that they would have liked to get 51% so they could right the ship but they only got 20%.
Rumor has it that Curtis Martin (Jets RB) was part of that group.
Why not just get rid of Al and let those investors have a shot at it.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
http://www.buytheraiders.com
The names says seveal things but more importantly it says that you can “buy” the Raiders.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
I just don’t want Kiffin or any of the offense coaches to leave.
The main reason is because I don’t want Russells development to be screwed with.
Russell is going to be a good one…just as long as Davis doesn’t mind screw him and stunt his development by bringing in different HC and offensive coordinators everyother year.
ROB RYAN IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GO and KIFFIN KNEW IT DURING THE OFFSEASON!!
The old man has lost his marbles and it is pathetic and sad!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Negra- maybe your to busy posting nonsense and not paying attention to anyone elses views?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Rumor has it Troy Aikman was part of that group as well…
September 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am
you guys who are putting in work right now and beleive in what is about to happen should acknowledge yourself hence forth as the NATION Collective.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Aikman was also part of that group. Since Al already sold off some of his shares, i would doubt he would want to part with more.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Its going real bad Kansas Raider because I am one of those people who only follow Football.
I don’t like baseball or basketball so I waited 9 months for us to make improvements and we come out and look like 2006 Art Shell all over again.
I don’t want to wait another 12 months and have the same this happen.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am
silverandblack666,
Troy Aikman was also part of that investment group….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am
hey max my man. guess what website i am on and what i am doing……………………..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Maybe someone can convince Tiger Woods to invest with Aikman and Martin to try and buy the rest of the team from that senile Old Man.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I’m right there with you brother… I don’t mind watching Jayhawks or Georgia Football games but other then that All Raiders All the time. I had a guy from work over to watch the game on Monday – he is a true bronco fan – it hurt.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
# KANSASBLACK Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
LMN- typical blogger on here, run them down and run them down so just incase things don’t go right for the team you can say I told you so. To many people like you on here. But I wouldn’t expect you to know anything about the American Dream.
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sorry you have the terms confused, I’m realistic not pessimistic…
I don’t give a flying Eff about the american dream, I want my team to behave adult, I want it to be run like a modern business, and not some backyard busines from the 70’s..
In april I said, that I figured we at best would end 7-9 and hoped for 9-7 but didn’t believe it..
In april I said we should get Eddie Royal..
In april I said, just wait for DeAngelo Hall to get one of his melt downs and cost us the win in an important game..
In June I said my biggest worry on offense was Javon Walker..
Al was responded with ridicule..
but to make you happy I told you so! Not that it makes me feel good, I wanted them to do better.. but fact is Al will never trade, Fact is this team won’t win the division while Al is a life..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
So if Troy Aikman and Curtis Martin can weasel another 31% of ownership from big Al we are safe from Al being a majority owner.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Raider4life, the website should give us the ability to run a blog…. we will all need to blog in parrallel..
and once the website is up get on the other sites we frequent and blog the hell out of them…. The NATION org will take notice that we are tired of LOSING….
The NATION Collective can and will shape NATION policy….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:20 am
HAHA 4life….I love it bro….lets make it happen
September 10th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Kiffin wants to win but he has no chance with Al &Hippo Ryan. to win you need FOOTBALL PLAYERS and a SYSTEM to which we have no D system and outside of #21 no football players just athletes,headcases and underachievers!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:21 am
The other owners have to be pissed of about what they saw.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Thec……We should link the blog daily and make sure that raidernews adds us in….they drive a lot of traffic…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:21 am
# darkknight01 Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Maybe someone can convince Tiger Woods to invest with Aikman and Martin to try and buy the rest of the team from that senile Old Man.
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No! Tiger woods alone is good enough, if we want another part-owner it should be Michael Schumacher..
together those two could buy 3 NFL teams… they know how to make their doe grow, and they have great personal pride.. thats what we need in an owner..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Buy Al out!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Hey Native…..Do something about it bro……how can you help us in our mission?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Like I said Negra I don’t argue with fools…. But you did just prove my point, good work!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Stop buying tickets MORONS! You will succeed faster in getting it through to AL then trying to by the franchise!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am
LMN,
Find out how to get ahold of those guys…..feelers bro feelers….drive that aspect of it…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Yeah..
I’m gone guys.. gotta pay back my boss for getting Monday night and the entire tuesday off.. and all i got was this crappy t-shirt.. or at garbage rather..
FFFFFffffff… I never been so pissed for so looong time..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Wow, good news. Would we be the first case in which the fans have had enough of losing and actually bought a sports team? That would be a historic event… I’m IN!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I’m telling you NOTHING WILL HAPPEN until Al is gone. He will not give up control. He wants to do everything his way win or lose until he dies. However, I know his mom lived past 100, but not sure about his father.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
It is written the NATION Collective will buy out AL Davis…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Native,
We do not at all costs….DO NOT….quit on our team…….that is absolutley out of the question…..do not stop buying tickets…..we need to do this methodically but not allow the players to think we quit on them….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:26 am
We not morons but we sure act like it! Really its like going to a dance knowing that the girl you liked already had a date! But somehow she was going to leave her date and go for you!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:26 am
as a matter a fact we need to post something to the players
September 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am
HAHA….no confidence….you know what bro….i had sex with her that night…….thats what i am saying….she can dance all she wants with him, but it was me she was thinking about…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Not buying tickets would be a bad idea. WE don’t need the state of the franchise any worse then it is right now…
September 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am
hey Nation, I am now the proud owner of buytheraiders.com
and it is four thirty am here in australia so it is nearly lights out for my ass.
I am not playing games, Max, the site is now owned by myself, the self-proclaimed ringleader of the raider nation. i will fight and die for this team, this family. All of us, together, can brainstorm and get everything done we need, through one another’s individual talents and connections. It is on fellas. It is $%^^ing on.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
As Native says stop buying tickets. Don’t buy any Raider gear. Do not give Al anything. Boycott Al until he is dead.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
and together, we can make this happen….think of how many people would buy in…..all it would take is $100 bucks from every Raider Fan….Stop thinking in millions….take the penny jar out of your room and donate to the cause….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
If there is anything I can do to help this movement please let me know.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
what you call Monday night? Did anyone see the preseason game against the Titans? I mean it was like watching a wwe match on monday night!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Who’s gonna send their money to a guy named Max E Padd anyways?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:30 am
WAIT! 4Life, the site is up?! Really?! Please, I want in on this. Whatever we get done, however far it takes us, this is a first step to something special… I feel it! AL B GONE!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Thec Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am
you guys who are putting in work right now and beleive in what is about to happen should acknowledge yourself hence forth as the NATION Collective.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Hey 4life……You are the man bro……I am willing to give all of my free time to this cause…….I think Raiders, I live Raiders, and I will die in a Raider Casket…..already in my will and has been funded……We will be great again….it starts one step at a time….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Hey Tex……no need bro…Hold the cash…..there will be bonds you can buy and hold onto as a part of your ownership…..We need to investigate how GB set it up….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH….my lifes work is now clear to me….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
I tried hitting the site musted not be cached in the DNS just yet…
September 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
and by the way….you are right……Max E. Padd is immature…..Chaos is my get up name…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Thec….I got under construction….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
The Raiders really are the most dysfunctional team in pro sports. I was asking Jerry in his live chat why he didn’t pound Kiffin harder with the question about defensive pressure. Jerry’s answer was, essentially, that Kiffin doesn’t call defensive plays. Even the media is accepting and participating in this dysfunction. Can you imagine any other head coach deferring completely to his defensive coordinator? Is Kiffin the head coach or not? You can’t answer the question, Kiffin? Well then please send RR out here so we can ask someone who can.
Kiffin has to make veiled criticisms about how few times we sent pressure on third down? Truly sad. And if he’s such a “straight talker” why doesn’t he go ahead and say RR blew the game? I’m afraid Kiffin bears some of the responsibility for this disaster if he can’t explain what happened and what he plans to do about it.
I’ll be the Chefs are watching film and thinking the Raiders are the cure for all their problems. Let’s hope RR has pulled his head out and will do something about pressuring the QB.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
RaiderDogg Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Spider -
you were responding to my troll,
DUH! I DIDN’T THINK I WAS TALKING TO MYSELF.
although my troll may be on to something here. Either way, you may consider your own words and realize that What Goes Around Comes Around.
FIRST OF ALL BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN YOU’LL NEED A GAMEPLAN TO GET OUT OF THE CELLAR. WHO IN YOUR ORGINIZATION IS GOING TO PUT THAT PLAN TOGETHER? GREAZY AL? THE MAN HAS SYPHILUS OF THE BRAIN FOR GAWD SAKE.
It’s only a matter of time that you will be eating your words, so you may want to cut back on the BS. You are borderline obsessed with a team that you hate. Seems a tad bit strange don’t you think?
IF YOU NOTICE MY RESPONSES THEY ARE ONLY TO THOSE WHO RESPOND TO ME DIRECTLY OR THOSE WHO DISS OTHER TEAMS I.E. CHARGERS-DOLTS, CHIEFS-CHEFS, BRONCOS-DONKEYS. SHOW SOME RESPECT AND YOU MIGHT GET SOME IN RETURN. YOU LOOOOZERS TALK PRETTY BIG FOR HAVING A TEAM THAT IS RANKED ANYWHERE FROM 29-32 IN MOST POLLS.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
So for all of you new to this, we are definately working on moving our good friend Mr. Davis from the front office and having a share of the ownership be given to the Raider Nation Faithful….there are way too many of us not to have this happen… The wheels are in motion…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
YOu guys who dont see it the NATION Collective will be able to set policy and put forth those things the “fans” want from this team. as a Collective we have more power than we realize……
September 10th, 2008 at 11:37 am
It’s not necessarily a bad idea if you can pull it off. You don’t really even have to convince Al Davis. He is only the MANAGER OF THE GENERAL PARTNER. You just need to convince the actual general partner to sell.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Tex…..I like your thinking…..How do you propose we approach this then?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
KANSASBLACK Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
s&b666- you don’t have to look very hard at previous threads to find me lingering around… I see you all the time. Hows it going bro??
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Dude I don’t really recall you in here either. LMN is part of the NATION so he’s our brother! You my well also be our brethren and were happy to have you,. I’m just saying your not in here all the time and if you are then you aren’t making comments. It’s all good tho just remember you shouldn’t lie to your brethren!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Sunday Rob Ryan will make the pathetic Chiefs offense look like the Rams of 2001.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Does anyone have a way of contacting Jerry?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
he has an email within this site, checking the contacts…
September 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Nobody would be giving Max, or me, or anybody money. We would be putting it into a trust, an escrow account, all as sharholders with our equal portions, in order to buy the team.
11680, the site isn’t up and running. that will take a little bit of scratch to do, and i need to hear back from my boy with regards to building it for me. but he worked with disney and hewlett packard and stuff so it is all good.
the site is owned though, by the Nation Collective (thank you max for liking that phrase. it is the go)
but there may be a Collective member out there that can do it faster, and cheaper, so hit me up. As I said max, I threw my email address at you in a post like in the eight hundreds or something, so hit me up, i am logging off shortly here, hell, you are all welcome to hit me up with ideas. i have a crazy work schedule but will respond to all of them asap, within 24 hours every time.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Jerry has read everything up to this point i beleive….. He is the all seeing all knowing eye.
Once the site is up every member of the NATION will need to hit websites and blogs and direct them to http://www.buytheraiders.com website. The NATION Collective has enough synergy to pull this off.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Last night on Jay Cutler Live, Jay said;
“our plan was to isolate Eddie Royal with DeAngelo Hall. If he DIDN’T get open like that, we probably would’ve LOST the game”
that’s his exact words.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I am going to make a call someone to get cost numbers on the website…..
For those of you who see and understand this vision and undeertaking acknowledge yourself as the
NATION Collective…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
You can write to the players, coaches and anyone in the organization. Getting a reply is a different story.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
When will the Nation Collective roll out the Guillotines to clean house?
http://www.tomsachs.org/assets/assets_works/98_guillotine_xxl.jpg
September 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Im in
September 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Davis is the majority owner. When he first bought into the team and then got the Raiders in the merger deal, he was a minority owner but the then other owners appointed him General to run the football operations. Since that time he has acquired a majority interest.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Contacted NFL Network and as of yet no response.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Im In, here’s my new name… “NationCollective-Bro-11680
September 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Whats up Oakglenn
September 10th, 2008 at 11:51 am
again, it is nearly five am here and i have been blogging since eleven pm. my boy in the states hasn’t emailed me back yet, and i am about to crash in about ten minutes. i want to have a page and site functional as soon as you guys do. where people can sign the e-petitions, leave contact details as a pre-commitment of investment, and when the legals are worked out we already have all of our investors.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Sweet, I just saw a commercial for Man vs. Wild and he is surviving in….
SOUTH DAKOTA!
Check it out on the Discovery Channel tonight at 7pm Pacific, 8pm Mountain time.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
I just got off the phone and called in a favor from a good friend. He would put the website up for us on gratis, with blogging capability….. He said consider it done….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:55 am
My friend could get this up in a day or 2 max…..
ALL the NATION Collective needs to do is say the word….
September 10th, 2008 at 11:55 am
I think they should do a show on man vs. wild at a Raiders game. Surviving without getting puke, piss or beer all over you and keep from hanging yourself out of frustration.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am
It’s in motion. Good idea, involves a lot of research, but if done right, and with everyone’s help, it is a possibility.
So, when once we own the team, are we changing the name to “The Raider Nation”?…lol
September 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am
For those of you who see and understand this vision and undeertaking acknowledge yourself as the
NATION Collective…..
September 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
I just saw another commercial, but this one was for that new History Channel show, Destroyed in Seconds…
Thursday’s feature: The 2008 Oakland Raiders, Destroyed in Seconds.
September 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
It probably is that hard to survive in a Red state like that I will watch it tonight Dakota.
Could be the best Man vs. Wild yet. It could be about a book trying to survive in Palins library. LMFAO
You know they sensor things like that in countries like China.
What a communist!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
I don’t want Kiffin to go yet….because the offensive coaches will help in continuing the development of Russell. RYAN is the one that needs to go…because if they get another HC and bring whole new terminology and system I think it will stunt and mind screw Jamarcus development and that will be a nightmare!
September 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Dakota,
September 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Dakota, I will roll the guillotines immediately. Or, I will use my vote as a shareholder, to get them rolling immediately.
Repeat after me, you too Max………………….
“I part-own my favorite team”
has a nice ring, eh?
September 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Chad Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Blaze it 7 Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
“Not like a Raider fan to talk and poor salt. Read my earlier post (670). It was a post about Raider football. The games meant more they were funner. It was exciting. I want the Raiders to be good again. This isn’t fun. I slept for more than half the game.”
Man you put the “MORON” in the word oxymoron. You like it better when the Raiders are good yet you talk sh*t in here all night not having fun making people miserable? Dude you need help, just like most Donkey fans.
Chad- there are no donkey fans. Donkey fans do not exist as there is not a team in the NFL called the donkeys. If you are referring to the Denver fans that watched their team punk out your team on Monday night in front of the whole Country they are “BRONCO” fans. Learn that name “BRONCOS” because you’ll be looking up at them in the standings for years to come.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
am I good with 408RAIDER-NATION Collective
or should I roll like NATION Collective-408RAIDER
September 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
How could DeAngello Hall claimed to be one of the top three CB’s in The NFL?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Raider4Life, I have called in a favor from a freind he is ready to do the website, and can have it running in 2 days max…… Time and synergy is of the most importance. the NATION Collective needs to move on this ASAP…. Let us know as soon as you here from your contact…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hey everyone…I have already been hitting other sites with our message. Copy it and send it out to everyone in the nation…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I read your posts all of the time and can tell you that as a die hard fan of this team, I am truely down on how this team is structured and how disfunctional they are right now……That being said, we need to reach out to you to initiate something that could turn our team around for now and the coming future.
We collectivey would like to have Mr. Davis step down and have the fans of the Raider Nation own partial interest of the team.
Now I am not saing that this is something that will happen soon, but we need to have support of everyone in the Raider Nation to have this movement heard.
With that being said, we have a new website that is currently under construction named buytheraiders.com. The complete plan has not yet been worked out, but there are business plans and others within the nation who will and are flexing their power to make this transition happen and end our suffering. We need you now more then ever……Say you are in and join in our struggle to become a once again successful and respected organization….
Yours Truely,
CHAOS of the Raider Nation
September 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
NATION Collective – 408Raider
September 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
ok Im in
September 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I am not really up to speed on this movement, but before a fan group could buy The Raiders wouldn’t the team first have to be up for sale?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I’m familiar with SQL and Database construction, I’m learning it on the job, so if I can help with that, I will. RAIDER ON!!! COLLECTIVELY! lol…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Kool Aid…..Money talks…..the nfl is just as tired of this as we are…..our voices will be heard!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Blaze it 7 Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
a straight QUESTION? If Mike Shannahan wanted to be your coach tomorrow would you jump at the chance?
Blaze-greazy al would veto that deal. Pride means more to him than having a winning franchise.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Raiderkoolaid
DeAngelo Hall is one of the worst CB’s in the league I would say bottom three.
Stu was better in coverage than MeAngelo Hall!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos, I have a freind who develops websites waiting in the wings to get the website up and running. We can be up and running in today…..
NATION Collective needs to say the word and it will be done…. I am waiting to hear from you guys on this…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Hey Thec…..Move on it bro…..have him set it up on a demo site so that we can add here and there, but make sure he makes it about the fans……it is about all of us and how we need to rise up and change our fate…..I am tired of losing….
September 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
4life owns the site name so we will need to figure out who he purchased from and we will have to get a web host. I have enough space on my site to have it run, I just need your help…..Raider11680, on setting it up……Thats what I am talking about brothers……movement….get on board people….
September 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Dakota,
The next episode of Man vs. Wild was filmed this last weekend at the Coliseum. He was wearing an orange jersey. It will be the last episode of the season since he didn’t actually survive this time.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Max, your friend that is willing to do it gratis, sounds fantastic bro. I am in. To get the basics going I think it is important to do it quickly, and I don’t know how long it will take my boy to reach me. When he does though, his work will be unbelievable.
Like i said, that blog will get it out there, but then when we get traffic to the site and a long ass petition signed, hundreds become thousands, thousands to ten thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million. . . while the numbers build we are working out the legals with the Nation Collective, all of our minds pitching in. Then, everyone can invest; and the Raider Nation will be exactly that. An unstoppable, immovable force. A permanent dynasty.
You can meet me in person at the game versus the patriots, whom I despise. i will be wearing my jersy, the only one with Raider4Life on the back of it, and I won’t be hard to find. Just look for pat fans getting knocked out.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
If this season goes down the way I feel like its gonna, the Raider Nation Collective would pick up alot of steam. Our biggest ally in this dispute would be the NFL and Goodell himself. The whispers started last year about the NFL stepping in for the good of the league.
Raiders gear is one of the highest sellers, and competition is better for all teams revenue, so it is in their best interest that Al be removed from office.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
It would probably take around one billion dollars to have a chance to not only buy the team, but to also have sufficiant money to run it.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Check it out.
Ideas…
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=186688716
September 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Al Davis just released this statement
AP:
Dearest Raider Nation,
I have recently received information of a plot to attempt to take control of the Oakland Raiders from me. I just want the true fans of the Raider Nation to know that I am now, and always will be, in full control of the Oakland Raiders, even when I am dead and gone. Those that dare to stand up and denounce me shall face suffering on a level as of yet unheard-of in the history of mankind. Rest assured, I will hunt these plotters down and crush them, and then I will crush their families and even their friends and then I will eradicate their names from the annals of history. This is my vow and I call forth all of my followers to assist me in this endeavor.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I’m in boys….you guys are badasses
September 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
My guy can and will host it all we need is the word from the NATION Collective to move forward…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Dakota……….Small words…..small words…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Where did you find that post…..make sure you tell them that we are here and here to stay……the nation is not a few….we are millions with a common voice…..Win or be gone…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
ok we all understand that it was only one game but come on now..the D gave up 41 points that will be fixed they will bounce back they have the talent…but the o needs some help…first they need to bring up the two young talented backs from washington Marcel Reece and lius Rankin…they are both playmakers and thats what they need…lets git some guys out there who wanna play to win..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
and we see what als words did to Kiffen……he is still our coach……
September 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
max, i got it from justgetadomain.com
i also have another friend out here in oz that can set up the site too, but get on it max it is all good.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Also tell Al thanks for spreading the good news………thew Raider Nation is alive and we are tired of his madness…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Hey 4life…..did you see that crap……………
September 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Dearest Raider Nation,
I have recently received information of a plot to attempt to take control of the Oakland Raiders from me. I just want the true fans of the Raider Nation to know that I am now, and always will be, in full control of the Oakland Raiders, even when I am dead and gone. Those that dare to stand up and denounce me shall face suffering on a level as of yet unheard-of in the history of mankind. Rest assured, I will hunt these plotters down and crush them, and then I will crush their families and even their friends and then I will eradicate their names from the annals of history. This is my vow and I call forth all of my followers to assist me in this endeavor.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
It will be interesting to see what Jerry thinks about all this from his reporter point of view.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
He is not GOD………..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Washingtonstateraider Says:
September 9th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Just got back from MY 1500 mile drive to party in a parking lot.I cant wait to go to work tomorow so i can hear it from all the seachicken fans.
WA-I don’t follow the NFC that closely but I think they call their team the “SEAHAWKS” After the way you loooozers got punked on Monday night you might wanna get the name straight before I submit your post on the Seattle web-site.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
LOL
September 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos,
I am waiting on the word from the NATION Collective to move forward on the building of the website and its contents. I have called in a very exspensive favor, just say the word and the website will be up and running very soon….
NATION Collective what say you?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
If it’s already called in, then you might as well do it Thec. No need to waste it.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Chaos
Yes he is God
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Is this really happining? Are we that bad?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Thec,
I think 4life is right……Lets make a move and do it quick, but lets be methodical about it….if your friend wants to do us this favor I think that is great, but lets brainstorm on it…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
we say YEEEEEEEAH…dethrone the insane fallen king
September 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Go Raiders !!!!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
LOL…..666……Al will forever hold a spot in all of our lives…..I have always loved his ferocity as a fan, coach and owner, but he is fishing in deep water and is making us the laughing stock of the NFL and I am not gonna sit here and take it anymore…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Since when does Darth Raider get equal billing with Jerry on the website. I checked his blog and it only has 21 posts.
Hmmmm…. 21 or 1100? Which should get the top spot on the website?
I think we should buy the Tribune and Contra Costa Times and all the others and fix this!!!
Who’s with me?!?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
so Wiz…..Yes it is real…..but we all have to be in…..not only a few……
September 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos
My email address: thecinot@hotmail.com
we can correspond and determine what needs to go on the site. we can be up ASAP
September 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
lol tex…..your a comedian…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
NATION Collective 915raider
DO IT!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
OakGlibb, you left out Wayne Valley. Tell everyone who he was, and what Al Davis had to do to him in order to become managing general partner.
Also, Al Davis is not the majority owner of the team, and never was. He only owns about 30% of the team. He owned even less than that before some partners sold their shares to him a couple of years ago. The reason why Al Davis is allowed to keep this team in last place year after year is because the legal title of “managing general partner” gives him complete control of the franchise.
If you’re going to swing from someone’s nuts, you should at least learn their history, OakGlibb.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Hey buck….we have to try boss…..we have to try…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
ahhhhhhhh now here comes a big fish…….
MR…….how are you…..?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
nice one dakota, creative. just what we need.
i know it is a long road
i know it is a huge, huge, huge vision
but it is a vision none-the-less.
and all visions have to be seen at the end to have a chance at success.
i for one can fully visualize owning my little piece, having my little say so along with the rest of you, and knowing i was a major part of it happening.
it is the bringing us all together that fully pumps me up.
as we all should be. silver and black. dominant. only dominant decisions are made. pummellings are swift and brutal. why?
because the fans own the team, and the fans make the calls. get some.
GET SOME
September 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Damn, another statement from Al Davis
AP:
Dearest Raider Nation,
I have a $500,000.00 reward for any information that leads to the identity and whereabouts of commentors named Chaos, Thec, Raider4Life, CopenhagenFan, 408Raider, Silver&Black666, 915Raider, or any other commentors with the title “Nation Collective” in their names.
Please, those fans still loyal to the Raider Nation, gather together and crush this rebellion.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Raider4life, I have a vision. This team is a Super Bowl winner if Al Davis retires. No doubt. Within 3 years. I believe.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
lol
September 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Chaos I know because I too worshiped Al for years and years but not anymore he looks bad health wise and might not live much longer.
I just hope that he didn’t make a bad choice on who runs the team after he is gone because all of his decisions lately have been real bad.
The old AD of the 60’s and 70’s would have traded down the last two drafts for more picks and beefed up the O-Line and D-Line.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
LOL………Dakota…….You are a comedian…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Chaos,
I agree something needs to be done. I’m sick, just sick, of sports casters laughing when covering the game! I’m sick of being consistently in the bottom of the power rankings. The NFL made football a big part of our lives and then to see this train wreck that’s replaced all the pride for my team, is inexcusable.
I can’t and won’t be a bottom dweller. Demand better! Demand the best!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
What’s Al Davis going to do? He has a few mob connects, but in the grand scheme of things he’s about as low as the prostitutes. He’s not having anyone whacked. Al’s just one of those guys they used.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
#1132 LMFAO Dakota that’s funny!!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
We should make sure the rest of the Nation doesn’t get the wrong idea about why we are doing this, and make sure they take this seriously, and not view it as a joke. There’s a lot of Al Davis supporters, like me, and I’m sure others of you in the “Collective”, that are not joining this because we hate Al, but because we hate where this franchise has been for the past 5 years or so. We are tired of losing, and of being the ridicule of the NFL. This takes nothing away from who Al Davis is, what he knows of the game, or how he is respected within the football world. This movement is solely with the intent to show Al Davis that his fan base has reached the point of no return, and we will not tolerate losing any more due to stupid personel moves and egotistical decisions. This team, like any other team, survives because the fans allow it, and we, the fans, deserve more than the product that has been put out there for the past 5 years. Enough is Enough, and if a movement like this is what it takes to send the point across, than so be it. Let’s make some noise, and be heard as one, ONE NATION, A RAIDER NATION! (Collective)
NATION COLLECTIVE RAIDER11680
September 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Hey 666…….I do not want him to make the decision on who runs the team afterwards…..That should be the right of the fans……
September 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
We need to brainstorm on the site content, it should not be complex a page or two with blogging capability, an ability to sign a petiotion…. And anything else we need to or deem important. I need to go I will be back in an hour.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
11680…..him the nail on the head……I could not have said it better…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Jerry, We need a new thread:
NATION Collective wants to buy the team
tired of the direction the Oakland Raiders are going a group of raider fans called the NATION Collective have formed a grass roots group with the idea of buying the Oakland Raiders……
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
WTF!? WHAT IS THIS?! YOU GUYS AREN’T SERIOUS RIGHT? THIS IS LIKE SPACEBALLS!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
WTF!? WHAT IS THIS?! YOU GUYS AREN’T SERIOUS RIGHT? THIS IS LIKE SPACEBALLS!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Thec…..thanks bro…and you are right….but we want to make sure that we also place respect where respect is due like 11680 said….It needs to be right…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I hate losing, I hate being embarrased, I love The NATION…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Nation collective, I’ve been kicking your ass for two years now, rather you under separate names, or one name. Have it your way.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
yeah i saw it max, nuts.
I may not have Al’s money or legal team, but when our movement gets that big and if heat like that came from him, it would be on for me. Go time. The spirit of the Raider Nation within me is not conquerable. Ever. Not by him, not by anybody. Funny post though, as if he would say that.
Max, i am all to the good with letting your man get started on the site. the sooner we have it working, even if basic, the sooner the “oh s$%t it is real” factor will sink in.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Dirty….No Joke bro…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Whoever owns this team should be held accoutable to the fans, THE NATION Collective will be the voice for the fans, and hold this team accountable…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
4life….get some rest bro….
September 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
WOW
September 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
We’re blogging! We’re blogging!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Dragging us back to the present predicaments, we might want to take a look at Dylan Gandy OG, ex-Bronco who will know the system and give us some depth behind Carlisle and Gallery.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Another statement from Al Davis:
Loyal members of the Raider Nation,
I have formed a website dedicated to the eradication of this rebellion. http://www.AlDavisshallcrushyouall.org Please visit the site and share your information as to the identity and whereabouts of the fanatics that call themselves the Nation Collective.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
So you want to send a clear message? Then every fan, season and single game ticket holder needs to agree to boycott one big nationally televised home game. Empty that stadium. No one but the teams, announcers and Al in his booth with his spit up towell in his lap… Can you imagine the message that would send? Hell, we can all go to Rickey’s or even MR’s place…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I think the web site should start with everyone singing that they will not buy, watch or do anything Raiders until Al David leaves.
Until The Raiders look like a football team and is at least in the top 20 in the power rankings. ( one will need to be picked.)
Hit them in the pocket book, that’s what makes them pay attention.
See how many people sign it before we spend even one red cent.
But we need to get the word out far and wide, hundreds of thousands of people will need to sign to even get their attention.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos,
So who is doing the site, and what are we putting on it?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Dakota..if Al wants to whack me, so be it….I don’t expect or have the desire to live too much longer anyway.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
stop buying Raider gear. Not that anyone would right now anyway…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I know everyone wants to talk about the score. But I thought this would be interesting, as well.
As it turns out, on plays where DeAngelo hall had his right foot in front of his left when lined up, he was in better coverage. So, that’s a positive point to work with for the future.
Also, DeAngelo Hall’s 40 time is 4.5 seconds. His bench press is 230 lbs. He squats about 300. He uses two 50 lb. dumbells to work on his pecs. Coach Kiffin said a month ago that he’d never seen someone high step through the tires as good as DeAngelo Hall. So, just something to shed some contrast onto the negative reporting about Hall.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
If Javon didnt play because he missed a few practices than Kiff is more clueless than I thought. This is not college. We are not trying to build character. These are professionals. Plaxico did it all last year and went to the probowl.
Kiff – You play to win the game. HELLLLLLLOOO!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
RE: 1159 – but buck, I can’t sing…
September 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
May the Schwartz be with you
September 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Thec……..Did you see the post where I showed the myspace links……Good ideas regarding content, but make it nice and easy for blogging and content research….I have a feeling this could get real big real quick…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
MR Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Nation collective, I’ve been kicking your ass for two years now, rather you under separate names, or one name. Have it your way.
Kicking what?
You go off point and spew your drible over and over most times I skip you and the worst takes on the page but this time I have some time for you and you need to know you don’t matter and nobody cares what you think with your half-witted village idiot banter!
Get a life, and tell someone who cares we don’t!
September 10th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I gotta pay that out Dakota, you got some wit there bro.
MR, I like your vision. And I agree with it. SB winner in three years. But Al must go, as Ryan must.
Tell you what though, with all the technical things in the way and items to accomplish to make owning our team happen, the simplest is the end vision.
The way will be found. I can see a framed shareholder’s certificate on my wall right now, as clear as day. How #$%^ing ridiculous will it be to see it for real? On YOUR wall my friend. ON ALL OF OUR WALLS NATION.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Section 116, you a Davis guy?
September 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
LOL….The Raiders org. will hear the fans…….they will hear the fans…….
September 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Wow, you guys have really stirred the hornets nest:
AP:
Dearest Loyal Raider Nation,
In dangerous times like these we must identify our supporters and crush the rebellion and those that support it. Therefore, I am hereby declaring martial law for the Raider Nation and all loyal members of the Raider Nation must sign the following Al Davis Loyalty Oath:
“I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Al Davis, the Managing General Partner of the Oakland Raiders, true leader of the Raider Nation, and supreme commander of all things Raider, and that I shall at all times be ready, as a brave soldier of the Raider Nation, to give my life for this oath.”
Once your signed and Notarized Oath is received at team Headquarters in Alameda, identification cards shall be issued that you can use as temporary proof of your loyalty to me. Within 180 of receiving this temporary identity car, all loyal members of the Raider Nation must have the name Al Davis tattooed on their inner wrist along with a bar code that shall contain information about your level of loyalty to me.
In 30 days, any members of the Raider Nation that cannot produce either their tattoo or their identity card shall be summarily executed.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Chaos – You should call BSPN. The guys over there would love to see the Raider fans revolt against thier own team.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
that performance was completely and utterly pathetic.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHA….Oh my god Dakota…….I can’t stop laughing……….lol……..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Count me in. I am sick and tired of having every football season ruined by Al Davis and his ridiculous management of this team. The Raiders are an absolute joke to the national media. That monday night game left this balla with nothing but the blues.
NATION Collective-BART Bridge Blues
September 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Dakota–You forgot “and the greatness of the Raiders is in it’s future”
September 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Yeah I know……..but what good would that do…..let them find it out 3rd party…..that way they can put their own spin in on it…..
September 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Who wants Kiffin rumors?
……..
Kiffin a dead man walking?
On today’s conference call with Kansas City area reporters, Oakland’s Lane Kiffin didn’t sound like a coach who expected to be employed by the Raiders much longer. His relationship with Al Davis turned rocky not long after he was hired last year and Monday night’s season-opening 41-14 home loss to Denver obviously didn’t help matters.
“You have to look at the history,” Kiffin said. “History is what it is, that he doesn’t keep people very long. We don’t have a general manager. Everything goes through the owner. That sets up a difficult situation at times.
“Knowing who the owner is, you know from day one there’s no job security.”
The Raiders drafted running back Darren McFadden and spent considerable money in free agency on Gibril Wilson and Javon Walker but were handled easily by the Broncos.
“It was a disappointing loss in all phases of the game,” Kiffin said. “I was shocked. I anticipated that we were going to play extremely well. By the way we played, we didn’t give ourselves a chance to win.”
http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/246
September 10th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
BART,
What can you offer to get the word out?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
if this insanity makes you people feel better and takes your minds off how terrible we looked so be it.but let’s be honest,the nation running the team would be,well,chaos.the only way Davis leaves is in a pine box.so either get used to the present or root for a winning team.we will be terrible until AD is gone,or he somehow lets his coaches do their jobs without interfering(yea like that will happen).
September 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
666–Never ever bring that name up in here again. j/k Lil Bi*ch Stui was the worst football player in NFL history. That’s why he is no longer in the league as I predicted more than 4 months ago.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
NATION Collective= JOKE
September 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Lefty,
You tell that to the Green Bay Fans……..I dare you…..I will get the stats…….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
N.A.T.I.O.N.
National
Alliance to
Terminate
Insanity in
Oakland’s
NFL team
September 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Dakota, you are a nutter. I like it.
Loyal members of the Raider Nation,
I have formed a website dedicated to the eradication of this rebellion. http://www.AlDavisshallcrushyouall.org Please visit the site and share your information as to the identity and whereabouts of the fanatics that call themselves the Nation Collective.
Al Davis
HEY AL, THIS IS Raider4Life. I am quite happy to devulge my true name, my address, and my contact details. There will be no need to bring anyone to me, as the Raider Nation no longer supports you. So sorry, thanks for playing. Thank you for your contribution to the Raiders, and to football. We will always be indebted to you. But now, my aged friend, it is time for a new era, and the Nation Collective will echo our beloved Francise into the record books.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
The championships, the tradition, and of course, the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field — the Packers are a different kind of team. Even more notable is their lack of a traditional owner. Instead of one tightwad billionaire running the show, hiking up prices, and threatening to move the team every season, the green and gold are owned by stockholders.
According to the Packers’ official site, over 111,000 stockholders own approximately 4,748,000 shares. Stockholders don’t receive a dividend from their shares, and no one holder can own more than 200,000 shares (to prevent a crafty maverick from taking control of the team).
The benefits of being a stockholder have little to do with making money. Rather, stockholders have certain voting privileges, giving them a voice in the business end of their team. However, a seven-member executive committee governs the team and handles major corporate management issues.
So that said, how do you get your finger in the Packers pie? We’re sorry to say that you can’t. The official word is, “Not only are the Packers no longer selling shares, but existing shares may not be resold or otherwise redistributed.” So unless you’re already holding stock certificates, your odds of becoming a cheesehead with controlling interest aren’t good. And your chances of getting season tickets are even worse — the average wait is 30 years.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
What else can I say? I’m in!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
#505
Hayesdaze
Im on your ship, great call
September 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Are you guys serious with this whole Nation Collective?
I’ve been working a web site which revolves around allowing the Nation to speak up. Pretty much it was going to be a site to collect comments (non-vulgar) in the hopes that it would have enough response to generate some buzz that would get someone’s attention at the Raiders front office.
The idea is:
- Collect feedback that is displayed on the site
- Every month generate a PDF file that has a collection of comments on specific topics.
- The topics would be derived from changes that happened in the organization, such as an aquisition, coaching moves, and games. Registered users would comment on these topics.
This is not going to be an anti Davis website, but a source for us to just speak out and show our frustration. To me, it doesn’t matter whether Davis listens or not, but just to have an outlet to vent on.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Now that my friends is how a team should be ran……a “collective nation and voice”
September 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
And now for some “Good News”Colston will be out when we play the Saints 10/12
September 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Another important thing to make clear to the rest of the Nation. Aside from the main purpose of this movement, which was previously stated a few posts back, it’s good to let everyone know that we realize that our main goal is a far reach into a long drawn out process of countless hours of research and planning. Owning the team is a far off goal that may seem unreacheable, but it is not impossible. Our more immediate goals is to join all Nation brethren together as one voice, and make as much noise as possible to be heard all the way up to Mr. Goodell’s office. This movement may seem comical now, but if enough of us fans join together and voice your opinions as one, under one name, imagine the impact that can have on this team. So I ask you, are you tired of losing? Are you tired of being laughed at by your fellow co-workers for having a Raider emblem up in your office or cubicle? Are you tired of having your expectations shattered? Are you tired of feeling like you just got kicked in the nurts by your own team you love so much? If so then join us.
I personally think the boycott idea is a good beginning, but it would make a lot more waves if it was done under one name, instead of as individuals.
JOIN NOW!!! The revolution begins today! May the Schwartz be with you all! (sorry, had to add that in)
September 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
# lefty12 Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
if this insanity makes you people feel better and takes your minds off how terrible we looked so be it.but let’s be honest,the nation running the team would be,well,chaos.the only way Davis leaves is in a pine box.so either get used to the present or root for a winning team.we will be terrible until AD is gone,or he somehow lets his coaches do their jobs without interfering(yea like that will happen).
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Good Call lefty..half these clowns could not afford a ticket to a Raiders game..let alone the whole club. We all have to do what we can to ease the frustration..and if this is it for them…have fun with it..but don’t pretend your serious.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Might…….We need to take it a step forward…..it is not going to change….none of us believe that…..not one and we need to do something about it.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Denver will have a fantastic year if putzhead stays healthy
September 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
KK. Day day?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
I see trouble on the horrizon people think its going to be a cake walk in KC but we are forgetting about larry johnson they will run and run hard on us this coming sunday i hope we come out on top but its going to be a really tough matchup regardless of whos the qb in kc. Big test for our D-line this Sunday!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Hey KK……I make 100K a year…….so yea I can afford it………..and no I am not a clown….I am a dedicated fan to my team and a Raider for life…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
and who said that we are not serious…..don’t claim to know unless you are in on the movement….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Can Rob Ryan spell blitz?
With absolutely no pressure from the four defensive linemen, ANY NFL quarterback would look great.
Terrible coaching decision not to go for it on 4th down in the Denver side. Then to go for 4th down on own 20 yard line. Did Kiffin do it to embarass Al knowing Denver loves to score as many points as possible?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
What is it that you do NCC bringing in the big bucks you salnging the rock LOL JK! Seriously though what do you do?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
we want what everyone wants in the nation…..to win and be heard….because we are all a part of the organization…win lose or tie right…..we all have to hear the jokes and laughs at us…..right?…..and it hurts your pride so much when you do that you find excuses right……well I am tired of the excuses already…..I want them to talk crap to me because we busted them us last weekend and half of their team went on IR…..the only way that happens is if we have change…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
LOL..a 100K a yr??..ok…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
cake walk??? are you kidding? As I said before KC offense will be like the Rams of 2001 against RR’s defense.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
4evaRaider Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 3:13 am
Good Morning NATION!!! Is RR fired yet or is AL DAVIS fired yet.gotta go 2 work check back later.UFCK the squaws
4nevaR-You can’t be talking about the “CHIEFS” can you? The team that has the RB naked Larry Johnson who will shred your D to shreds. The same “CHIEFS” that will be looking down at you in the standing on Monday morning? Is that the “CHIEFS” whom you are referring to fnevaR?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
OPS MGR for a World wide Building Efficiency Company……
How many other professionals are there in here…..as I said b4…..we come from many walks of life…..blue collar and white collar…….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
and yes 100K a year…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Monta’s Ankle
I didnt say it would be a cake walk try reading the entire post bro i said people think it will be but it wont!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
For the record, the Nation Collective is an offshoot of a principle called the Mastermind Alliance. Its definition is …………….
The Commitment of two or more people dedicated to common goals and the common good, in a spirit of harmony.
There are two factors at play.
1. We make more money if we work together than if we work apart.
2. No two minds can come together without creating a third and more powerful mind.
THAT is why I called it the Nation Collective, because collectively, we are ONE, the pulse of the RAIDER NATION.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Database Administrator here…
September 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
but thats not the point….I am no different then any of you when it comes to our team…..Just turns out that I am good at the profession I chose and I choose to work hard at my craft and it paid off…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
you see…..we are all good at what we do….some have opportunity and others will…..this is a golden era for us guys….stop living in bubbles and make your voice heard…..we are tired of losing and we want change……..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
We should make sure the rest of the Nation doesn’t get the wrong idea about why we are doing this, and make sure they take this seriously, and not view it as a joke. There’s a lot of Al Davis supporters, like me, and I’m sure others of you in the “Collective”, that are not joining this because we hate Al, but because we hate where this franchise has been for the past 5 years or so. We are tired of losing, and of being the ridicule of the NFL. This takes nothing away from who Al Davis is, what he knows of the game, or how he is respected within the football world. This movement is solely with the intent to show Al Davis that his fan base has reached the point of no return, and we will not tolerate losing any more due to stupid personel moves and egotistical decisions. This team, like any other team, survives because the fans allow it, and we, the fans, deserve more than the product that has been put out there for the past 5 years. Enough is Enough, and if a movement like this is what it takes to send the point across, than so be it. Let’s make some noise, and be heard as one, ONE NATION, A RAIDER NATION! (Collective)
Another important thing to make clear to the rest of the Nation. Aside from the main purpose of this movement, which was previously stated a few posts back, it’s good to let everyone know that we realize that our main goal is a far reach into a long drawn out process of countless hours of research and planning. Owning the team is a far off goal that may seem unreacheable, but it is not impossible. Our more immediate goals is to join all Nation brethren together as one voice, and make as much noise as possible to be heard all the way up to Mr. Goodell’s office. This movement may seem comical now, but if enough of us fans join together and voice your opinions as one, under one name, imagine the impact that can have on this team. So I ask you, are you tired of losing? Are you tired of being laughed at by your fellow co-workers for having a Raider emblem up in your office or cubicle? Are you tired of having your expectations shattered? Are you tired of feeling like you just got kicked in the nurts by your own team you love so much? If so then join us.
I personally think the boycott idea is a good beginning, but it would make a lot more waves if it was done under one name, instead of as individuals.
JOIN NOW!!! The revolution begins today! May the Schwartz be with you all! (sorry, had to add that in)
NATION COLLECTIVE RAIDER11680
September 10th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
so…….who else can spread the word….?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Monta’s ankle
I didn’t want to Bring Stu into this but I couldn’t think of a worse player to compare MeAngelo hall to.
Lets face it he is as low as you can go.
DeAngelo Hall = Stu Part 2
September 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I’m pretty sure the whole buying the team will never work, but what about one voice, one mission. Let Al’s shareholders know we want change, and we want it now! there in lies the power, the power that preserves.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
LOL……666……….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
How can you be serious when all most of you do all day is post on this blog?…Don’t get me wrong..I HATE the way things are right now..it’s BS to wait 8-9 months to see your team play and then have it ruined before half time. and YES, I blame Al for that..but I’m not going to fool myself and think I can get or be apart of some movement to oust him…NEVER HAPPEN.
Even if you get close to the $$ it would take…you’ll need at least that much for all the lawyers it will take to get him out.
and then what happens when YOU lose?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
And who are those shareholders?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
im so sorry but im afraid we are going to lose against Kansas City. Our team, rwally, really sucks.
Fire Kiffin NOW!!!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Kiffin may say that JaMarcus had a pretty good game, but I would still say that he should take some of the blame for the loss.
-The fumble in the 1st quarter in the red zone with the score 7-0.
-The sack in the 2nd quarter on 1st down when the score was still 10-0.
-The delay of game penalty on the same drive that killed our chances to move the chains.
These are rookie mistakes, and he obviously settled down in the 2nd half. Without these mistakes, the outcome of the game could have been much different.
Otherwise, I’d say Rob Ryan should take the lion’s share of the blame. On the first touchdown to Adam Sheffler (I hate the sound of that name!), why was Kirk Morrison covering the tight end?? Why not Thomas Howard? Speaking of Howard, I’m a huge fan, but he didn’t make ANY noise on Monday night. Ryan needs to blitz more often, period. So many of our guys are out of position to make plays.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Raider4Life says……….
Raiders4Life should get a new name that is not so close to my own. it is confusing. not hating on you whatsoever.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Bro you are missing the point……..the nfl will make that appen…..thay are tired of one of the most successful franchises in history losing all of its money and notarity…..we make it hard to sell the brand….thats just how it is….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
It’s understood that losing is part of any sport, and no matter who the owner is, it will happen. But to lose in the way and for the reasons the Raiders have been losing the past 5 years calls for drastic measures. Again, buying the team is what got this started, but we all know that is not a reachable goal in the near future, so let’s start small, let’s join together, and make a point. Let’s start with what will hurt them the most, their pocket. And what is the best way to do that? Boycott, Spread the word, and get as many people involved as possible. Let every one know about this, it will take flight.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Raider4Life says post1210 There are two factors at play.
1. We make more money if we work together than if we work apart.
2. No two minds can come together without creating a third and more powerful mind.
Good logic on point one unless you are talking about siamese twins.I think their earning potential would be better if they were seperated.
On point two what if the two minds were identical twins, then in my opinion their two minds squared would really be four minds
Food fo thought
September 10th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Damn we need spell check Jerry….that sucks that I type that fast and cant spell….lol…..see I can be accountable…..
September 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Where is 408 Raider? I want to speak to him? Anyway, have me made any headway boys?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Ill join you NCC IM SICK AN TIRED OF THE PRODUCT ALL DAVIS HAS PUT ON THE FIELD!!!!! WE NEED A D LINE AND A GOOD O-LINE GOD DAM IT THATS THE BACK BONE OF ANY FOOTBALL TEAM!STOP DRAFTING DBS AL YOU SON OF A B!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
ENP,
Winning at KC is very difficult for us. However, the days of Schottenheimer are over. KC is actually bad enough to lose to us.
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JaMarcus will be more composed this week, and Javon will probably play. I hope to see more balanced and unpredictable playcalling from Kiffin this week. We need to fire Ryan pronto.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Did Jedi break down the game yet?
I am not gonna read 500 posts of its your fault, its his fault
September 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Monta Ankle…post 731:
I hate to admit it but you’re absolutely right, Al is so out of touch and too stubborn to change unless it’s hit idea. Best case senario for us. Al goes into a coma and his son, Mark, sells the team to John Madden, then Al comes out of his coma and lives a good happy life, watching the Raiders win and dominate again.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Post 1229 * Al Davis.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I see KC winnng by at least 10 and then Buffalo by 21. Rob Ryan and Al are going to continue to undermine Kiffin in an attempt to get him to quit. It is very possible this team only wins one game the whole year if Kiffin doesn’t step down. While I think he has done a decent job right now it would be best for him to go. Until Al is gone forever the only thing to do is what he wants. Very sad we have to sit here and take this sh*t year after year. Anyone who believes Al wants to win at all cost is a fool. Al want to do thing his way at all cost. Win or lose.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Thats what I am saying Drew…..Guys we are working on the site buytheraiders.com.
It should be up real real soon and it will be a great spot to get information gathered and your voice to be heard. I know someone posted recently they had something already, but we want to get a petition going to make a difference. We need this to be heard by all in the Raider Nation…and everyone who knows somebody to get the word out….all of the details of a buyout still need to be looked into, but as 11680 indicated, it is a long process and there will be more losses…..but we have to be heard in the world that we are tired of being the shoeprint of the league….that voice will be heard….
September 10th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Step 1: Spread the word to media outlets all over the world that Oakland Raider fans are not happy with the way Al Davis has ran this team lately. Places like PFT will report any news, no matter how unsubstantiated. If enough people start hammering away at a guy like Mike Florio (Head Honcho of PFT) then we could get our point out there.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
how many of you who are calling for boycotts and taking over the team are actually in the bay area or travel to the games?do you think Davis gives a rats ass what someone in Australia thinks?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
It will be interesting how Jerry reports the Nation’s anger and desire for real change in Alameda. I wonder how much the Raiders spend on advertising with MNG will hamstring Jerry’s right to speak.
Any comment, Mr Editor?
I also wonder how John Herrera and the other Raider apparatchiks are feeling, knowing that their master has just about lost all credibility and all external support?
I used to think that Davis was living some Shylockian nightmare but, he is actually more like MacBeth. At the end of the play, MacBeth has lost all but his most loyal and deluded followers. The bloody end is inevitable, his wickedness will ensure his downfall.
I wonder if the ghost of F Wayne Valley will be wandering the corridors of Alameda tonight, with the hint of a smile?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
For those of you need statistical evidence: Through 1 week of football.
Oakland Offense:
TOTAL OFFENSE – 15th
Pass Yds – 22nd
Rush Yds – 8th
Points – 23rd
Oakland Defense:
TOTAL DEFENSE – 29th
Pass Yds – 29th
Rush Yds – 23rd
Points – 32nd
Conclusion: Offense looks better – Defense looks like the same ol’ crap! Lets just hope they get on the same page and Ryan finally learns what ATTACK means.
Is this a trend here? The better the offense gets the worst the defense gets? Or maybe its always been that way but teams just didn’t attack as much b/c the offense wasn’t that good. 1 week down. We’ll see how the rest unfolds.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Another Al Davis Statement:
Dearest loyal members of the Raider Nation,
Although I view the current plot to remove me from power as nothing more than a weak gesture, I want to assure you that I have taken precautions in the event that these disloyal fanatics, that call themselves the Nation Collective, pose an actual threat. I do this simply for security and for the piece of mind of the members of my Loyal Raider Nation, not out of fear, because I have feared nothing in my glorious lifetime.
I have established two trusts that will consolidate my holdings of the Raiders and allow me complete control of the franchise forever. The first trust (Mark Davis Trust) is an irrevocable trust naming Amy Trask as the Trustee and Mark Davis, (and his heirs) as my Beneficiary. In this trust I have placed all my personal wealth and assets, excluding my shares of the Oakland Raiders. The second Trust (Raider Trust) is an irrevocable perpetual trust in which I have named Mark Davis as the Trustee and the Beneficiary and in this trust I have placed all of my shares of the Oakland Raiders.
How does this trust protect us you ask? The Mark Davis Trust shall carry with it the condition that my son, Mark Davis, or his heirs, obey all of the terms and conditions of the Raider Trust, or he will not receive a dime from the Mark Davis Trust. The Raider Trust gives specific instructions as to the certain attributes, characteristics and abilities that I look for in all of my employees and players. Specific charts will dictate what players are chosen in the draft based on combine numbers. Specific age qualifications, attitude characteristics and other true Raider identity specific attributes shall be searched out in free agents. Certain styles and schemes will be specified when hiring coaches and staff and all offensive and defensive schemes shall be dictated through the trust.
Do not lose sleep loyal members of the Raider Nation, I shall always be with you, and your children, and their children, and I will ensure the future of our organization, even from the grave.
Al Davis
September 10th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Dakota Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 9:40 am
“Fool,
You can go ahead an keep trying to claim that there were better options than McFadden at the #4 position, but I will disagree. McFadden will be a great RB…those two DTs have a chance to be okay.
I’ll take greatness over medeoracy any day of the week. He was a must pick for us and will be our star, along with Russell.
Now, I certainly think Al blew the rest of the draft on Hall and those track stars when there were plenty of serviceable DTs still on the board.
And besides drafting D at #4 would just have placed another great player in the incapable fat hands of ROB FUKING RYAN…and that would have been a waste of epic proportions. How many players has he failed to develope? How many 1st and 2nd rounders, high priced players and pro-bolw players does this guy need to get the job done?
So you can take your opinion about McFadden and go cry in the corner. Almost everone here agrees that McFadden is going to be a stud. Long, Ellis and Dorsey have show us NOTHING so far. We made the right choice, but blew it by ignoring the important o-lines and d-lines in free agency and the draft.”
Dakota -
Damn man you sure do to GREAT lengths to avoid having to admit that you are wrong don’t you? I feel sorry for your wife.
I will say it one more time, I know that you are smarter than this.
I NEVER said McFadden wasn’t going to be a star and isn’t a bad ass. My point was that the Raiders should have either drafted D or O line or traded down for more need picks instead of drafting a luxury pick in McFadden. The Raiders have several needs but dumba$$ Al Davis drafted a RB when they already had 4 RB’s on the roster. Meanwhile the Raiders only suited up 3 DT’s on Monday.
The Raiders aren’t good enough to draft a star when they have soooo many glaring needs.
Do you get it yet? I have the feeling that you got it the first time I explained it to you, but you insist on ignoring the point to avoid having to admit that drafting McFadden was a mistake.
Like I said, I feel sorry for your wife. You guys must butt heads all the time, considering that you are never wrong and she is a woman.
Good luck. Sorry your were mistaken, even if you can’t even admit it to yourself.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
HAHA……Dakota…you are making it worse……come on dude…
September 10th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
If you do not boycott the games and gear at least show up to the games with “AL MUST GO” signs. Start sending mass emails & snail mails to Alameda. Nothing is gonna change with this team until he is gone. Doesn’t matter how much better JaMarcus and Dmac get as long as Al is around. Soon nobody is gonna wanna come play here unless they are getting paid a boat load of money (i,e Randy Moss, DeAngelo Hall, Larry Brown, Javon Walker, Desmond Howard, ect.)
September 10th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Thec Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Goals of the NATION collective
1. Setup True NFL structure within the Raider Organization this would me a clean sweep of everyone including trask.
2. Hire all new blood, new meaning new to the NATION collective. Key hires GM, Player Personnel/scouting dept, and Hr dept.
3. Improve the Image of the NATION.
4. Become relevant by putting a winning product on the field.
5. Increase the value of the NATION. This franchise should be one of the top 3 NFL franchises in terms of value yet the NATION is worldwide we need to capitalize on that. We are 28th….
6. Improve profitability of the franchise.
7. Win SB in 5 yrs max.
8. Build the Dynasty, and return the NATION to it glory.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
we all(most of us anyway) knew the offense was young and would take time to jell.as i stated last week,the defense would have to carry us in the early part of the season.well,if the first is any indication,the defense can,t do its part.let’s hope the offense comes around faster than expected.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Very true Monta’s….Although please know that I do not think that the boycotting of the games is necessary……Our team needs us guys……If you want to stage a hold out or a walk out (we kinda do that already)in the 2nd half…..then that would be more appropriate, but our team needs to know that it is not them that is to blame for this rutt…..its the big drooler upstairs.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Kidseven Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I’ll be the Chefs are watching film and thinking the Raiders are the cure for all their problems. Let’s hope RR has pulled his head out and will do something about pressuring the QB.
Tsk..tsk..tsk..Calling the “CHIEFS” the chefs. Is that the best you can do? Know what you’ll be calling the on Monday morning after they punk you out and are looking down on you from the standings loooozer? “WINNERS”
September 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos,
Your guys start on the site?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
and some of you will say that the players are on the field and they play the ame, but the buttons get pushed by someone….and as far as I am concerned…the wrong buttone have been pushed over the last 5 years….so without going too much into detail
buytheraiders.com
write it down, take a picture, I dont give a ……
but go to the site and let your voice be heard…….
(Do it here too) Sorry Jerry…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I do live in the Bay Area and would love to Boycott games, sadly I already paid for my tickets. That gives me an idea though. The first way to get our message out there would be to start a grassroots movement asking for full refunds of season tickets. There is no way Al would give any money back, but just the idea of that would get PFT, ESPN, the NFL, and Al’s other shareholders interested.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Something else to consider. Has DBurgess lost a step? We all know Curry has lost many including his hands.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
No not yet…….you gonna get your buddy right…?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Lefty lefty lefty………..
how many of you who are calling for boycotts and taking over the team are actually in the bay area or travel to the games?do you think Davis gives a rats ass what someone in Australia thinks?
YOU ARE MISSING THE PICTURE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT COMPRISE THE RAIDER NATION ARE FROM. THIS MOVEMENT ISN’T GEARED TO GO AT AL. WE ARE COLLECTIVELY PUTTING A PLAN IN PLACE TO BE IN A POSITION TO BUY THE TEAM.
WE WONT HAVE CONTACT WITH HIM FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND IF YOU WERE HE, DO YOU GIVE A S$%T WHERE YOUR OPPOSITION LIVES? NO. YOU GIVE A S$%T THAT THERE IS OPPOSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AS FOR ME, BORN AND RAISED IN VEGAS, BEEN TO PLENTY OF GAMES, AND LIVE IN AUSTRALIA, STILL MAKING IT TO A GAME EVERY YEAR. NEXT TIME YOU FORK OUT 2500 BUCKS TO FLY 14 HOURS FOR A GAME, LET ME KNOW. RAIDER4LIFE OUT ON THAT SUBJECT.
P.S. IF YOU WERE HALF AUSSIE AND HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP, YOU’D LIVE OUT HERE FOR A WHILE TOO.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
True Bart……Could be a start…kind of like a blue flu?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
That’s a good point Chaos. We have to make sure the players and team knows that this movement is not about them, but the people upstairs. Whether it is via boycott, lynching, tar-and-feathering, or guillotine, we need to send the message across.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos,
Its done he will get on it right now. Give me the link to the myspae stuff so we can get an idea of content. we will need to discuss the content also,…..
I was looking for the go ahead…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Lefty…Stop being a pessamist bro……we are trying to get you to understand that you have a voice….who is it so hard for you to understand that all of the money you pay to see one of the foundations of our lives lose….is actually not worth it? When will it be ok? When gas is $10.00 a gallon. The US Govt thinks so…..Or will it be when that 10.00 a gallon is too much for us to pay to even go out there to watch a game? Frankly I do not want to wait for that time to have change. I want to win now and the way we are structured now, we dont have a chance. Hell the guy that coaches doesn’t have a say in who is on the roster and who is not….Sam Williams….Stu for how many years? Philip Buchannon? Come on guys….wake up…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Usually when a team starts losing the coach is the target of the fans. But in this case, we all know who is responsible……….Al Davis….
September 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Thec:
Post #1100
September 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
The problem is the Fans dont have a say so or voice in what the team does. The owners put this product on the Field and we as true members of the NATION support it.
The NATION Collective is the voice of the FANs. To make ownership accountable to us the fans. they should be held accountable for the actions. we at looking at potentailly 6 bad years, and it has to stop NOW!!!!!
The fans will now have a voice and it will be the NATION Collective.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I think the players would be the first to join us. You think Nhamdi is really a fan of Al’s business practices.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Monta’s Anke…post 734:
A MUST READ by anyone who is a Raiders fan and wants a dose of the truth. Excellent, well presented.
PS: Besides hiring Art (the pass has passed me by) Shell, Davis also allowed him to bring in a Bed & Breakfast owner who had been out of football for eight freaking years to run the offense. That showed that Al was out of his mind.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Fool Says:
…the Raiders should have either drafted D or O line or traded down for more need picks instead of drafting a luxury pick in McFadden. The Raiders have several needs but dumba$$ Al Davis drafted a RB when they already had 4 RB’s on the roster. Meanwhile the Raiders only suited up 3 DT’s on Monday.
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Listen Fool,
McFadden was the right pick. PERIOD. Trade down, lol, why? So Al could draft another Harris/Buchanon combo? Draft what offensive lineman at #4? Long was gone and no other tackle was a realistic top 5 pick. Draft what great defensive player @ #4? One that could change Rob Ryan’s system? Ellis or Dorsey…whom both play where Kelly currently is being paid $50 million to play?
The reality of the situation was that after the two Longs were off the board, the only choice was McFadden. Period. Cry about it if you want, but I was not and am not wrong.
Al has done two things right in the past two years, draft Russell and draft McFadden. Solid O-lines and d-lines are built in rounds 2-5, that is where Al has failed.
You have my answer.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Maybe the NATION Collective is seen as a futile effort for many of you guys, but if you recall, when Kiffin was on his way out, the Nation mobilized here on this blog with an enormous outrage and he’s still here isn’t he?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
They are under contract bro…that would be hard fetched…….
but I did post his myspace site….send him a message…..Post 1100
September 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
to buy something it has to be for sale.Davis isn’t selling the team.look we’re all pissed off at what is happening and i think it’s great you people are doing something to take your minds off the situation.but get real-the Raiders are not for sale and won’t be as long as AD is alive.and you are wrong-AD doesn’t give a sh%t what anyone thinks and that’s part of the big problem.he doesn’t care that there is opposition.i really believe he does care about the Raiders,he’s just incompetent.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Dakota……….on the right path………..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I read these remarks every day and I am always amazed at the comments and the hypocritical remarks that are made. Sure, the game was ugly and they have been for the last 5 or more seasons! But one week you have Morrison walking on water and raining down manna from heaven and then when his true mediocre self comes out , you are mute. Who makes Morrison look good so he can get the kudos every week??? The OLB’s who play their positions as they should-forcing the play inside, to him! All MLB’s look good and get the glory because of the guys on either side of them. For the other’s, it’s NOT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TACKLES but doing the job right! I hope the team does turn around and I am sure the TRUE RAIDER FANS feel the same. but let’s stop making saints of some and dogging others.
The first thing the organization should do is stop separating the teams. THEY ARE ONE TEAM WITH ONE GOAL – WINNING AND BRING PRIDE BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!
I found the fact that the entire team did not “suit up” for that last preseason game absolutely DISGUSTING! I’m certain THAT went a long way toward boosting team morale, huh?!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Lefty..maybe Al’s not selling. But we can voice our displeasure and unify to create a message that tells him he must STEP DOWN as GM in any case!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Lefty……You can say all you want about the team not being for sale, but have you ever popped a zit on your head? A black head that just buggs the crap out of you….At first it is hard to get your hands in the right place and put pressure, but after time you put enough pressure on the root of the problem and it pops with force…..right?
Need I say more…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Dakota…post 897:
As always, great to read your thoughts and insights. You’re so right on that it’s scary. I hope to all goodness that you’re wrong this time. I hope that Al Davis goes into a COMA, he’s become to evil to just pass away and join Gene Upshaw (RIP, Gene), so we’re stuck with the idiot for who knows how many more years.
Dakota, is there any chance, at all, that John Madden could buy the team. John must be a billionaire by now, or at least have the ability to secure the necessary funds?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Terrapin,
I noticed that Burgess has lost a least one step maybe two. I was roundly abused on this site in January when I suggested that the smart move would have been to trade Burgess this off-season – when he still had some trade value. The truth is that the injuries have caught up with him, he doesn’t have the explosion that he used to have.
I also still believe that the Falcons were interested in Michael Huff as part of the DeAngelo Hall trade. We apparently said no deal. Talk about compounding a mistake.
Although we could play Huff at CB?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Riverside……Love the thought…..Now I could approve of that…….
September 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
but still with the fans involved with say on decisions…..the fans bay the bills guys…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Ok, let’s put the “BUY” aspect aside for a minute here. Like I said, that is a long term goal that is in the very beginning stages. What we are trying to do, and our immediate goal, is to get the message across that all of us fans have had it with the decisions being made by one person. Like I said earlier, we are not taking shots at Al, we are just not taking his poor decision making anymore. All great leaders know when it’s time to pass the torch, and they know that once their rule is damaged by what they are doing. Al needs to realize, if not admit this. And if no one else from within is willing to take charge, than the paying fans will. But we need a huge group effort to get this message across, and that’s what the NAtion Collective is here for. To voice your opinion.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Does anyone know Adam Shefter’s Blackberry #?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
We have 1.5 hours to get this out b4 total access.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Doesn’t Rod Woodson coach a pop warner football league team?
Or was that Deion?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Riverside,
Thank you for those nice words, and I would think that Madden certainly should have the money (if he gets a % cut of Madden sales) to at least head a group to buy the Raiders, or at least Al’s percentage.
I certainly would hope that Madden would hire a GM and run it like a real team, but you never know…
September 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Jerry,
I know your there…..Answer you homer….
September 10th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
NATION COLLECTIVE – No wonder you guys think Kiffin has this team headed in the right direction, YOU’RE BRAIN DEAD.
Thanks for the laugh.
Just Win Baby.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Anyone that cries”Get rid of Kiffin” should go back to watching pee wee football. They played Mike “I’ll embarrass Al Davis on national TV any time I can” Shannahan and the Broncos. Shannahan has a personal vendetta against the Raiders, not the players, but the organization. Give him an inch, he’s TAKING a mile, esspecially with the “powder puff” defense that Rob Ryan calls.
NFL QBs should study the game for at least 3 seasons. An ensign in the navy can command an aircraft carrier, but you would want a captain on the bridge. 3 years at a reasonable price, then give him the reigns. But to base your hopes on a kid that is less that 4 years removed from high school, that has not proven himself at the NFL level, is dumb.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Dakota…post 950:
Fabulous and right on point. Maybe you can get Jerry Brown, Attorney General, to sign it. Him and Al had their big fights and Jerry has no love for idiot Al Davis. He would sign the order since it has so much merit.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
and lefty, i appreciate your comments, and they have validity, especially your last post, however no item needs to be for sale in order to get sold.
ABC ALWAYS BE CLOSING
you never know what can happen with enough money and enough leverage. is it a long shot? of course for #$%6st’s sake its a long shot.
Lemmie leave you with this, as I am tired as all hell right now.
Lets do it to own our team – not with me?
Lets do it to piss people off – not with me?
Lets do it because it will be fun to see what media play it gets and the ride will be a blast – still not with me? Then it ain’t for you, all good, I don’t need to sell this idea, it sold itself the second I brought it up. thanks, of course, to chaos’s comment back in post 787, which made me bring it up and push it in the first place.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
PS: Thank god hockey starts soon.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Im just sobering up from monday night, I still can’t bring myself to what happened. I’m going to drink and smoke myself until I’m numb. WTF happened ?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Hey guys….read on……
Hi everyone, and welcome to NFL.com’s moderated chat. Commissioner Roger Goodell will be joining us Thursday, Sept. 11, at 2 p.m. ET to take your questions. Feel free to submit questions early, then log in again at the appointed time to follow along.
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September 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
new post
September 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I just posted.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Here is what I said:
Mr. Goodell,
We the Raider Nation are tired of the tyrant, Mr. Al Davis and his poor decision making that has left our once successful and respected team in shambles. There are members of the Raider Nation who would be interested in the prospect of purchasing share in the team to allow us to have power to make decisions of our Beloved Raiders, like the Packers. Is this feasable?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Dakota Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Fool Says:
…the Raiders should have either drafted D or O line or traded down for more need picks instead of drafting a luxury pick in McFadden. The Raiders have several needs but dumba$$ Al Davis drafted a RB when they already had 4 RB’s on the roster. Meanwhile the Raiders only suited up 3 DT’s on Monday.
___________________________________________________
Listen Fool,
McFadden was the right pick. PERIOD. Trade down, lol, why? So Al could draft another Harris/Buchanon combo? Draft what offensive lineman at #4? Long was gone and no other tackle was a realistic top 5 pick. Draft what great defensive player @ #4? One that could change Rob Ryan’s system? Ellis or Dorsey…whom both play where Kelly currently is being paid $50 million to play?
The reality of the situation was that after the two Longs were off the board, the only choice was McFadden. Period. Cry about it if you want, but I was not and am not wrong.
Al has done two things right in the past two years, draft Russell and draft McFadden. Solid O-lines and d-lines are built in rounds 2-5, that is where Al has failed.
You have my answer.”
All I can say is wow. You and I both know the truth yet you won’t even admit it that you were wrong.
So let me get this straight, according to you EVERYTHING AL DAVIS DOES IS A MISTAKE EXCEPT FOR THE 2 THINGS THAT YOU AGREE WITH? Do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Like I said earlier, I really feel sorry for your wife and anyone else that ever catches you making a mistake. You expend more energy in denial than most and maybe one day you can work through that. Good luck with that.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
To the Nation Collective, the like minds of the Raider Nation coming together………I bid you adou, for as it is daytime there it is only just morning here and I have yet to sleep. For all of the Nation that are in on buytheraiders, this is going to be a fun ass ride, regardless of the outcome.
I always liked stirring up s$#t, and now doing that can have a profound impact, with heaps of fun on top.
Focker, Out.
Chaos, hit me up on my email, feel free to foward it to the rest of the Collective if they ask.
RAIDER NATION! GET SOME!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Andrew’s Mom – fortunately I was on an airplane during the game and my dvr went haywire and didn’t record it – after checking the highlights and reading the commentary, there’s only one thing you can do – forget about it and move on to next week, although it does highlight all my complaints about this defensive scheme (straight man with no blitzing), the d line personnel being out of position (Warren is a three technique and offers nothing in the run stopping department, Burgess is too small to play Strong Side DE, and Richardson is a backup caliber player).
Without a push from the D line any team in any scheme will get eaten up, but it’s even worse in man coverage. As I said before the season started, this team needs to blitz every down and just bring the heat quick so our secondary doesn’t have to cover people for 5 seconds every play, and shoots the gaps on running plays – we’ll give up big plays, no doubt, but we’ll also make plays. Nevertheless I am shocked that the d was this bad – Rob Ryan must use half his salary on home made Kool Aid because he’s the only one that thinks this scheme is good and his players are great (except Al, of course).
Next week, we face an anemic offense and a young defense. We will probably win, but it will be closer than it should be precisely because our D scheme stinks – it either lets the opposing team bleed out the clock which doesn’t allow our zone blocking scheme to wear down the defense, or against good teams, gives up too many points to stick with the run in the first place.
The answer is simple – we don’t have the talent on the D line to run a straight man scheme against the run or the pass – we must compensate by blitzing the run and the pass consistently – teams can either scheme around Burgess and Kelly in the pass game, or provide a little help at times to neutralize our pass rush – warren doesn’t give enough effort and Richardson can be handled one on one. Blitzing is the only way we are going to win the games we should win on paper, and we have the personnel in our secondary to support it (as long as they don’t have to cover for 5 seconds, which the blitz would take care of). I had hoped that Warren, Kelly, Edwards, and Burgess would start – they are all good pass rushers (when they give full effort) and good penetrators in the run game – All we need is one play a series to put teams in obvious passing situations (i.e. second or third and long) and we should win most of those battles just based on statistics. But the fact of the matter is this D line got man handled against an average o line and there’s no need to wait until we’re 1-4 to try new things. In fact, 19-64 (or whatever our record is since Rob Ryan took over the D) should be plenty proof that if you don’t have dominant players on the D line (which we still don’t) the man scheme will not work. I’d rather lose attacking than lose playing the scheme the way it was intended to be played waiting for pressure from the front 4 that is never going to get there.
Whether it’s
September 10th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
The defense was non existant. There was no pass rush. D. hall got beat pretty much every time the broncos threw his way. I even watche E. Royal catch atleast 1 ball on N. Aso. I dont think J.cutler was even remotley hurried during any of his pass attempts. What needs to change? Pass Rush end of conversation. Our secondary no matter how good they are are not going to cover anyone if there is no pass rush. Any quarterback in this league can find an open reciever if tey have all day to throw the ball. Blitz? I dont recall seeing much if any blitzing during that game. Even if I missed a blitz or two it didnt do any good. To sum up this post>>>>LETS GET SOME PRESSURE….WHATEVER IT TAKES
September 10th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
For those of you who see and understand this vision. Feel the magnitude of this undertaking. Want to see this team return to its greatness and glory then
acknowledge yourself as the:
NATION Collective…..
September 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Well I was wrong.
There weren’t many Raider fans at the sports pub in San Diego where I watched the game on Monday night.
Of course this was due to the fact that the game was televised here on ESPN. I don’t have cable so I had to go to the pub.
At least the Philly cheesesteak was good. For nine dollars it’d better be.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
LTR Raider4Life
September 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Keep it going Chaos, Thec, all the Collective………………..I’m out for now boys. Holla later. ………
September 10th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Your 100% right autum wind no pass rush equals bad secondary!!!! great observation.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
raider4life i know we have similar names but ive had this for two years now its cool though no prob great minds think alike.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Hollllly shiiiiiit!!!! You guys are really serious!!! I admire you for saying enuff is enuff and we’re not going to take it anymore. I hope you guys buy out that syph faced loooozer and make your nation respectable again. I do feel bad that I am going to have to warn allthe residents across the bay in SF to make sure they park their cars in their garages and set their burgular alarms every night during FB season thogh. Question: If I chip in .99 cents does that make me the majority owner?
September 10th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Come on Al stick your head out of your ass we need a D-Line and a better O-line!!!!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
No more Defensive backs please for the love of god!!
If we only have good d-linemen our secondary will flurish!
September 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Hey guys…..I already communicated to Adam Shefter……I am hoping to see something today……
September 10th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
We will make our voices heard damn it!
September 10th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Cool i hope it does something i will tune in to NFL Network when i get home tonight!
September 10th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
post 972 :buytheraiders.com,sounds good.Im In!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos Says:
September 10th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Hey guys…..I already communicated to Adam Shefter……I am hoping to see something today……
Nothing was mentioned on tonight NFL Access but I’ll keep my eye on it for you.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:41 am
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For all you morons who think by firing Kiffin things will get better, I just don’t know what to say. You guys are idiots…can’t you see it’s not the coach. It’s Davis. Davis is still living in the 70’s and he picks players like he’s still playing in the 70’s. Coach after coach and no results…who do you think the real problem is. Especially, those fans that come out to the games and hold signs that say “Kiffin Must Go”…it should be “Davis Must Go”.
I just can’t believe people think it’s the coach. It’s like if you were building a house but, instead of being supplied wood and nails they give you straws and tape. You got no choice man. When the wind comes in your going to fall apart. And then everyone comes in and says who built this crap, fire the builder. Freakin’ Morons.
We need to see signs about Davis and not Kiffin. All the true Raider fans must realize this and make this be known…unless of course some of you fans are pu$$ies and can not go to a home game and say anything about Davis.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
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