Henderson could start
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, September 11th, 2008 at 4:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Thursday’s practice and session with coach Lane Kiffin, which preceded Rob Ryan’s press briefing:
– If Kwame Harris doesn’t recover sufficiently in the next two days, Mario Henderson will be protecting the blind side of JaMarcus Russell in what could be the NFL’s toughest road venue.
Henderson took all the reps at left tackle for the second straight day as Harris sat out with a knee injury sustained against Denver.
Kiffin said Henderson’s presence would be taken into account with regard to play calling.
“Part of that depends on how the game’s going. Obviously, the opening script, we will take that into account, Mario’s first time playing and being on the road,” Kiffin said. “We’d take that into account but then we’ll see the flow of the game and see how it’s going.”
Two of the worst beatings I’ve ever seen a left tackle take were at Arrowhead _ Harry Boatswain of the 49ers in the Joe Montana-Steve Young game in 1993 and Pat Harlow of the Raiders in 1998. Of course, both of those came against the late Derrick Thomas, who was virtually unblockable at home.
– Kiffin, who has been blunt regarding Henderson’s lack of progress in the past, sounded cautiously optimistic should he have to start.
“Mario’s had a good week of practice. Over the last two days, has been able to get a lot of reps with the 1s with Kwame being out,” Kiffin said. “If he has to go, I’m sure Mario will go in there and do well and last year we went in there with Paul (McQuistan) playing tackle and were able to move the ball and came out with a win. Our expectation will be the same if Mario’s playing.”
– Derrick Burgess (shoulder) and Gibril Wilson (elbow) did not practice. Kiffin said he anticipated both practicing tomorrow. Harris and Burgess both went out to practice in pads, but didn’t end up practicing.
– Javon Walker practiced for the second straight day, but he may not be 100 percent and Kiffin wasn’t sure he would start if he played.
“There’s still something there a little bit,” Kiffin said. “I don’t know that I would sya he has th ebest burst that he’s had since he’s been here but he looks like he’s ready to play.”
If Walker doesn’t start, Ashley Lelie will open at split end with Ronald Curry at flanker.
– After not getting a run from scrimmage or a pass reception in the opener, Michael Bush may get his first regular-season touch Sunday.
“There were certain plays we had ready for Michael (against Denver),” Kiffin said. “One play that we did call was a pass play where we were trying to get him open in the flat and they had him covered and JaMarcus had to come back on the goal line back to his left to Ashley. Michael has some plays in the gameplan we’ll look to get the ball to him.”
No passing the buck
You’d like to think Raiders defenders will reward Rob Ryan for his loyalty by erasing the stench of the Denver loss.
Before Ryan came to the Raiders, it was a commonplace for defenders to roll their eyes and point fingers when things didn’t go well. It hasn’t happened on Ryan’s watch, even during the worst of times, and the defensive coordinator’s meeting with the press Thursday was a prime example why.
In contrast to Kiffin, Ryan absolutely will not roast one of his own players in public. He may be all over them in the meeting room or on the practice field, but when it comes to addressing the media, he steps up and takes the blame.
There were two reasons he met with the press Thursday _ to shield his players as much as possible from the Denver debacle while preparing for what he hopes is a winning effort against the Chiefs, and to refute Kiffin’s notion the previous day regarding the involvement of Al Davis in the weekly schemes.
The second part was a tricky tightrope, because Kiffin has made repeated references to Davis’ defensive involvement. Ryan had to stick up for himself while at the same time not ruffling the chain of command, and he did it forcefully and respectfully with regard to both the media and the head coach.
Blitzing has long been the cure-all for armchair defensive coordinators. As pointed out in yesterday’s blog, according to the statistical service Stats, LLC, opponents were 9-for-12 with two touchdown passes against Raiders blitzes on third down last year.
Ryan said the Raiders sent a blitz into a max-protection against Denver and paid for it by giving up a big play.
Without ever pulling Kiffin into the fray, Ryan said the three worst plays the defense had against Denver were in a “Tampa 2,” the defense run by Monte Kiffin with the Bucs and Tony Dungy in Indianapolis.
If the Raiders get things right against Kansas City and beyond, expect Ryan’s role to reverse. He’ll recede to the background and let the players take the credit.
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September 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
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September 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Henderson-LT
Ashley Lelie-Split End
Is there any good news Jerry? Oh yeah, that Rob Ryan is a really great guy to work for.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Love the quick updates…really appreciate them, thanks jerry.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
LOL, KS.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Hey Jerry,
When are you going to grow a pair of testicles?
September 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Hope Henderson will do what he has to do for his team.
Unleash Bush!!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
“Tackles are the least important in the ZBS.”
That was said by Golic during the Monday night game.
He should’ve added, unless its Mario Henderson.
Yikes.
This guys looks like Kwame Jr.
I think the position is VERY important and with Harris out it will likely change the play calling, definitely the execution and even help negate Walker’s “comeback”.
Hope McFadden or some one has a break out game.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Well, at least there is no Jared Allen to rip Henderson a new a-hole. Hopefully the boys show up. I wouldn’t mind if Kiff and Ryan never speak again, as long as they both do their jobs.
WR’s need to make plays. Ronald ‘I won the McDonald All America game high school dunk contest’ Curry better jump a lil’ higher than 1 inch next time we call a play for him and Jamarcus lofts it a lil’ bit high. Turn plays like that around and it’s a different ball game.
Sunday is a new day though, and Ryan if anything had to inspire somebody on that side of the ball to take someone’s head off and make some plays.
– I’ll bleed it ’till I die
September 11th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I hear ya, though. We’ve got Raiders Watergate being reported on the previous thread and we go from there to “Henderson might start”? Jerry, we love ya. But file this current blog entry under “We might give a s’t”.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Go Away NOW!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Hey Jerry,
The Head Friggin Coach says the Defense is run by Ryan and the Owner.
Ryan says it’s not so.
WTF are you waiting for? Do you see a story here or not????
September 11th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Raider 5606:
NO doubt!!!
Wonder if Jerry knows why he was M.I.A. against the Broncos?
Know he’s supposed to be the bruiser wo wears down teams and protects leads and that we had to pass more rather than run but sheesh!
Would’ve liked to see what he could’ve done to help…
September 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Hey Jerry,
Gawdamn, you’re a coward!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Has anyone thought maybe young Kiffin may not be ready to run the whole show?
He is young.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Don’t tell me you’re buying this Jive Jerry? I don’t give a ratz ass what Ryan does to shield his players. The facts are the facts and you can’t hide from them. 4 Years of piss poor defensive play and we are suppose to accept this just b/c he takes up for the players. BS!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Jayzuz KK, who pissed in your wheaties?
September 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
feedback@raiders.com
E-mail them and tell them Ryan’s excuses are not enough. We want CHANGE at the top. We want Ryan’s head on a stick! We want Davis to relinquish the crown or the mob will get him.
Muhahahahaha
call them again 510-864-5000
September 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Get your popcorn ready boys. We are in for a laugh or two on sunday.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Ryan actually referenced the 06 defense! Unreal! He even has himself fooled…pathetic.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Not quite 4 yrs Terp.
Seems Burgess and Sappy did ok and Nnamdi made some plays as well year before last.
Looks like the hand of Al is keeping Ryan under wraps far as play calling.
Ridiculous because its obviously not working.
Might as well TRY to blitz and let our guys use their athleticism. They sure don’t have the discipline to play solid.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
KK: Was it Jerry?
September 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Dakota,..that link and number is run by the Raider Image…that 800 number is for the Raiders but that feedback link is the retail department, Raider Image.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Dakota……
September 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Found on Google…
Al Davis Finds Your Lack Of Faith Disturbing
This man does not want your pity. Yes, the Oakland Raiders are 0-1, having created such a large vortex of suck on Sunday night against the visiting Broncos that pedestrians, buses, small businesses and I’m pretty sure my cat were inhaled into the blackness, never to be seen again. So bad was the thrashing that MIT temporarily suspended the laws of mathematics to eliminate Oakland from playoff contention after one week. But Al Davis remains defiant, continuing to openly decry, in order: the NFL, lawn trespassers, children, pets, the City of Los Angeles, the City of Oakland, continence, Mike Shanahan, songbirds, nature, sunlight, the running game, short passes, Lane Kiffin, puppies, and most significantly, reality.
There is one difference between the Al Davis regime and that of Fidel Castro. In Cuba there’s better cigars. Oh, and here’s another one; when Castro became infirm and unable to properly lead the government, he had a brother to take over. Unfortunately, Davis’ only living sibling was crushed by Dorothy’s house at the beginning of The Wizard of Oz.
Things are so bad in Oakland that Davis actually has me feeling bad for Raiders fans. Take this guy, for instance. How can you not feel pity for someone who takes all the time and effort to fashion this costume, only to have to trudge back to the bus stop following the game with nothing for which to feel hopeful? It’s just very sad.
Inside The NFL made its Showtime debut last night, and unfortunately for the Raiders, Warren Sapp is one of the hosts. In a conference call to promote the show, he had this to say about the team:
“As far as where the Raiders are going, they have unrealistic ideas about what their people can do,” Sapp said. “That was the experience I had in the four years I was there. They asked people to do stuff they were physically impossible of doing. They asked a guy who hadn’t coached for 12 years (Tom Walsh) to coach. They’re going to suck.”
Things are worse in Raider land than they’ve ever been, and that’s saying something. “It’s such a toxic atmosphere over there, that no one is willing to go out and give that 101st percent,” said Ray Ratto of CBS Sporstline and the San Francisco Chronicle. “The relationship between Davis and Kiffin is as bad as advertised. They don’t even talk to each other. Davis wants Kiffin to quit, and Kiffin won’t go. And that’s surprising, because Oakland has become a really great place to leave.”
Since losing Super Bowl XXXVII to Tampa Bay following the 2002 season, Oakland is 15-50, including 6-27 4-13 under Kiffin. But you can’t really blame the coach; when he wanted to get rid of defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and bring in his own guy, Davis vetoed the move. So now Kiffin and Ryan go their own separate ways on the same staff — roommates who can’t stand each other, but are forced to live together for financial reasons — with the result being pretty much what we saw in the second half this past Sunday.
Being a Raiders head coach is not exactly a resume enhancer. Although the guy from Los Gatos High might want to come in next year and give it a shot.
This may be the first team in history that’s actually trying to lose. Kiffin wants to be fired, Davis is stubbornly refusing, thus in effect throwing in the towel after Week 1. Many players, no doubt, want out as well. Anarchy reigns! But for now, Al Davis runs Bartertown, and that’s the way things are. Every league needs its unruly, outlaw biker stepchild, I suppose.
http://deadspin.com/5048450/al-davis-finds-your-lack-of-faith-disturbing
September 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
They are talking about us on the radio………Representing the Raider Nation…….
September 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
The Nation has gone mad! I think the only thing now that could happen to make us totally implode is some weird a$$ breaking news that ‘Al Davis is looking into hiring former safety Derrick Gibson for soon to be vacant head coaching position’
September 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
All I know is if the Raiders get blown up by KC I’m going to NyQuil myself into a coma until next April.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
THEC…….He got on talking about the Nation Collective
September 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
At least Walker’s supposed to be playing Sunday.
who knows what the hell he’ll bring to the table.
Total questionmark.
Lets hope its not a skid mark.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
please no ! super mario suks a$s-
September 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
So Ryan is implying that the Tampa 2 defense is a farse? Get a freakin’ clue people. And that is what he was implying!!! Yet Tampa and Indy have ranked in the top 10 in defense year in and year out.
Go sell that baloney to Hillshire Farms!
I’m not saying we will be great at the Tampa 2 but don’t try to sell us a bill of goods that that defensive style is crap. That flies in the face of reality.
If you have your beliefs just say “These are my beliefs” and be done with it. Don’t put up a successful defense as an example and try to ridicule it cause you may think Kiffin wants it. What a f’kn joke.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Nnamdi,
Al Davis is pissing on all of us.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Ted the caller from San Diego on sports 1140 5min ago.Charger fan, your exposed.PAY UP
September 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
LOL……..Ted……Wow…..I am absolutely speechless.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Ryan. If you are unwilling to send blitzers in max protection given these CBs (Aso, Rout, Hall) and our weak Dline then you truly are done. I understand your logic but if the QB is getting all damn day then you don’t have a f*kn choice – you’re goose is cooked any! Might as well get aggressive with it!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Jim Lofton Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Dakota,..that link and number is run by the Raider Image…that 800 number is for the Raiders but that feedback link is the retail department, Raider Image.
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No sheet….oooops, lol.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
In the best T.O. voice “but that’s my owner, man!”
Jerry did you get close enough to see if there was a scent of alcohol in his breath? That has to be the most belligerent interview I have heard. I almost hope they release a video of it.
He sounded like my drunken uncle that always lies when drunk.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
SilverandBlackBleeder POst 26 — LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL,LOL
That would put me over the top too
September 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
So Ryan’s a players Coach.
First though he needs to be a COACH COACH.
Motivate and instil discipline please.
And light a fire under your DT’s will you?
September 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
we’re doomed…
September 11th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
The plot just thickens in Raider Land.
http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner
September 11th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
That group of mediots better have the balls to ask Kiffin why Rob Ryan called him a liar today.
ASK THE HARD QUESTION JERRY!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Didn’t Gruden say Davis was in defensive meetings? Someone please verify if I’m remembering this correctly.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
defense needs more discipline & blitz, blitz, blitz!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
The UNsuper Mario Henderson might start? Yikes! Why not just put Fred Wakefield at LT? He cant do any worse than Henderson.
I hope JaMarcus goes to Church and Blue Cross Sunday morining before the game, becuase he’s gonna need prayer and some good health insurance. IM IN (Fear for JaMarcuss Russell’s Life).
September 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Terp said:So Ryan is implying that the Tampa 2 defense is a farse? Get a freakin’ clue people. And that is what he was implying!!! Yet Tampa and Indy have ranked in the top 10 in defense year in and year out.
Go sell that baloney to Hillshire Farms!
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I think maybe our defesne looked confused when we went Tampa 2. Some missed assignments to be sure.
Don’t think he was implying the T2 is no good.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Jerry, thanks for the info. Its going to be another crappy year if the Raiders don’t turn this around! Enough with the in-house bullsh##t. JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!! Al Davis, STOP micro-managing this team.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Afternoon Nation,
on Monday when I saw Kid Lane be the first to sprint off the field at halftime I thought it was pretty childish, as if he wanted to hide. fortunately for me I fell asleep soon after that and saw none of the rest of it.
no Mulligans in the NFL? too bad.
At least we have “Super” Mario to look forward to on Sunday.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
“We talk about it early in the week. Rob and the owner are in communication,” Kiffin said. “For the most part, I let Rob do his thing over there. He has a belief in certain things and he has a conversation with the owner about that. So that wasn’t the way the game plan ended up the other night.”
At the same time this quote from Kiffin really could have been misinterpreted by us. Just being fair.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Jerry, great job! You are an excellent, reliable reporter, keeping fans up to date. Thanks!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
What happened Nation collective AKA Charger fan.No soup for you.NEXT
September 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Nnamdi21
I hear what you are saying and I thought about that. But it is very suspicious, at least from my perspective, to point out the Tampa 2 out of all other schemes when that is a scheme Kiffin may be in favor of. Things don’t happen in a vacuum.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Why protect the kid Kiffin? Open up the playbook and move Russell out of the pocket or let him throw it quick. I am starting to get the feeling Kiffin is purposely wrecking the ship with his insistance on keeping the offense simple. The Chiefs invite creativity in the passing game and if Kiffin lays another egg he may not be around for week three.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Raidermight hahaha post #37 priceless… hahaha
September 11th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
MEDIOTS?!
Oh man, thats a good one!
Jerry however is a pillar in the Raider online communtiy and yes, I have bashed him a good one now and again, but frankly, for a “secret” organization like the Raiders,he delivers the goods.
Thanks Jerry.
NOW ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS DAMMIT!!!
You know, like why do I still go gaga over blondes when my ex was a blue eyed nazi?
Why are we letting this administration get away this crap.
Shark with hadn grenade or Werewolf with machine gun in a bttle no one can win.
“WHO WILL WIN?!!”
Oh yeah, and how do you know when yogurt is bad?
Peace
September 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Raidermight #37: “He sounded like my drunken uncle that always lies when drunk.”
Dunken Uncle or “Drunkle” if you prefer…
September 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Stepping on egos is always fine by me. Dwayne Bowe should be covered by Nnamdi alone as he is the only viable receiver the Chiefs have. Let Hall cover whoever is left over. Don’t really care if Hall implodes thereafter, if he covers Bowe it’ll be umpteen personal fouls and receptions anyway.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Hall needs to worry about covering his jock strap because thats what Cutler handed him.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Bowe should be everyone’s #1 WR next week in FF.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Sith Lord Davis Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Why protect the kid Kiffin? Open up the playbook and move Russell out of the pocket or let him throw it quick. I am starting to get the feeling Kiffin is purposely wrecking the ship with his insistance on keeping the offense simple. The Chiefs invite creativity in the passing game and if Kiffin lays another egg he may not be around for week three.
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Could be Callahn had it right when he said this is the dumbest team in pro sports.
Maybe he can only run what this young crew can run. They showed they can’t even exectute the basics let alone the more diverse.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I like the fact Hall at least plays with passion and aggression. Somthing Oklands D has been missing of late…
He’s hot and cold. Thats just him I think.
Certinly not a shut down corner by any menas and if some thought that they were wrong.
He’s a playmaker who gambles.
Alot.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
When they starting trying new things they started working to the tune of 14 fourth quarter points.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
talk about a disaster waiting to happen…. the news just keeps getting worse
September 11th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
What was Kiffin trying to do, injure McFadden before week two?
September 11th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
I want javon´s job…
paid for nothing!
what a waste!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Why didn’t Rob Ryan address the fact that hes labeled as Al Davis’ Puppet? This just proved that this is the case. I mean…Who’s Defensive Coordinator goes onto the podium to answer questions? That just says that Kiffin’s authority is minimal and there really is 2 Head Coaches on the team. The Head Offensive Coach and the Head Defensive Coach. Maybe Ryan is petitioning for the Head Head job by speaking up. Hes trying to get some practice in.
Heres the problem. I don’t want to hear Rob Ryan say that hes in charge. I want Al Davis himself to come out and tell us whether that is the case or not but he won’t do that.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I’m starting to notice similarities between BHP and Rob Ryan’s dialogue around here. Funny how BHP defends everything and then Rob has a conference. haha.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Sink or swim & scorched Earth are a couple of demanding and potentially fatal wavelengths to follow as courses of action, but, my God, if you’re not going to be competitive with ultra-conservative offense and a non-attacking defense then why not open the effing playbook and go for it.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
haha is it sunday yet the only way to forget week 1 is to win week 2.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
MR
Next time you post an article you might want to make sure that the author has at least a little cred.
I could have sworn the game was on Monday, not Sunday. When the 1st part of an article is that off, why would you keep reading?
I wish that game never happened, but at least I remember the day it was on.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Hey everybody, look…Rob Ryan is here and he brought donuts. YAAAYYYY!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Probably already posted but I don’t care
PFT.com
KIFFIN’S COMMENTS CONFIRM HE’S NOT REALLY THE COACH
Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2008, 6:45 a.m.
For months, we’ve heard that Raiders owner Al Davis would have no qualms about firing coach Lane Kiffin at any given moment, because Davis views head coaches as fungible.
Under the Al Davis approach, the keys to a team are the offensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator, and the talent-acquisition process. The head coach is merely the guy who pulls it all together on game day, supervising the process of putting eleven guys on the field at any given time.
When it comes to the defense, Kiffin clearly has zero control over what happens — and he admitted it on Wednesday. Addressing the lack of blitzes in Monday night’s game against the Broncos, Kiffin had this to say:
“I’m not going to really get into if I was the defensive coordinator what I would do because that doesn’t really matter,” Kiffin said. “I’m the head coach. I oversee everything and I control what I can control. Do I have the exact belief we do on defense? No, but it’s hard to have the exact belief that we do. So, it is what it is.”
Translation: On at least one side of the ball, I have zero juice.
Indeed, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan runs the defense, and he consults not with Kiffin but with Davis on how to do the job.
“Rob and the owner are always in communication,” Kiffin said. “For the most part, I let Rob do his thing over there. He has a belief in certain things and he has a conversation with the owner about that. So, that wasn’t the way the game plan ended up the other night.”
This disclosure means that Kiffin technically isn’t responsible for any of the 41 points that the Raiders allowed the Broncos to score. But Kiffin’s decision to cover his own ass by saying so exposes that he’s an empty headset with no real juice, and that once the losses begin to pile up it’ll be easy for Davis to cut Kiffin loose and to install someone like receivers coach Jame Lofton or Paul Hackett (whom the team reportedly was looking to retain as a consultant but who doesn’t appear on the web site as a member of the coaching staff) as the day-to-day manager of the process.
How soon could it happen? Given all the money Davis spent to improve and the poor overall performance of the team on Monday and in light of Kiffin’s decision to lift the eyepatch so that we all can see that black hole where one of the franchise’s eyeballs used to be, it could happen soon.
Maybe as soon as next week, if the Raiders are embarrassed by a Chiefs franchise that, in contrast to the Raiders’ decision to break the bank in order to get better now, essentially opted to concede the 2008 decision in the hopes of getting better down the road.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
No worries people. At least we still have a chance to go 15-1.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
LOL
September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
NATION COLLECTIVE!!! your email just got read on 1140 am.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Maybe Jon Gruden, Bruce Allen and Monte Kiffin got together and conjured up a plan to send in Kiffin’s son to take down the Evil Empire. Lane…May the force be with you.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
You got that Collective manifesto on the radio. LOL
September 11th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Great job! we took a step forward! “Nation collective baby”
September 11th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Salisbury breaking it down
September 11th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Ryan is to blame for the defensive players not playing well and Kiffin looks to be distancing himself from the debacle, which to me would be a smart move if you want to keep your job and tell Davis “I told you so”. Calling out a coach is Kiffin’s job, thats exactly what he is supposed to do if he has no power to fire him. Ryan sure looked like a man slowly loosing his job on the sidelines last monday night.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
why would anyone want to sign to play for the Raiders? just goes to show you that Walker, Hall and Wilson are only here to take the old man’s money. it showed on monday night.
Wilson was invisible, Hall got burnt and Walker didnt even show up!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Patrick’s post #41 — examiner article is a good read–
If lane doesn’t indeed make it through the season and ryan or some other re-tread is HC, we are screwed for at least another 5 to 7 years
September 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
IM IN,,,(A State Of Depression)
IM IN,,,(Need Of A Drink)
IM IN,,,(Fear for JaMarcus Russell’s Life)
IM IN,,,(Trouble for betting on the upcoming game)
IM IN,,, ( Debt)
IM IN,,,(Tears)
September 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Anyone with a brain knows Davis is involved with the defense on a daily basis.. hell John Fox Willie Shaw and Chuck Bresnahan all admit it
September 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
As Elvis Patterson already trademarked a certain moniker ages ago, someone needs to come up with one for Hall if the show continues as is.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Screw Al Davis Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
NATION COLLECTIVE!!! your email just got read on 1140 am.
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No sheet? Someone give me a link or details!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
First off, if Henderson starts at LT, we could see JaMarcus get killed — or at least face confidence-shattering pressure. Protecting Russell, physically and emotionally, should be a top priority. But the Raiders will probably destroy him, too.
Second, blitzing is not only about getting sacks. It’s about creating uncertainty and confusion for the QB and offensive linemen, who may then blow assignments and commit penalties. When all three Raider LBs start 8 yards off the line, the opposing offense knows exactly who has to be blocked and where. Last year, Damon Huard told Rich Gannon that it was painful to watch the Raiders on film because they do the same thing on every play.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Rhetoric…
if indeed Ryan has no control over the D then what good would it do to fire him?
if indeed Ryan has control over the D as he intimates, he isn’t exactly padding his resume with vanilla and being outschemed.
so, which is it fellas? can’t be both ways now can it?
September 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Post 33, I hate to call names but you are an IDIOT….
I hate the dis-chargers, i have been a fan since the early 70’s… I rep the nation, and nation only.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
NC-Chaos, they read your e-mail on the Air Bro. they read most of it they even mention the collective……
September 11th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I’ve had enough of this. It really didn’t have to be like this. Ryan has done nothing to justify this loyalty to him. If he were canned this would all be over and we could go on to looking respectable for a change.
SithLord is right. Its a PR battle right now. Kiffin should not accept responsibility for someone he wanted fired. You smartly distance yourself from it and let that person self-destruct. The comment “I can only control what I can control” ring a bell.
If I wanted to fire someone and my boss wouldn’t back me and that person continues to screw up then I sure as hell wouldn’t accept responsibility for it. You won’t here me saying its my fault that much is for sure. I’ll say something like “we’ll try to make it (that person) better – we’ll try” but it is what it is – He has been failing for years now! Thats exactly what Kiffin is saying “We’ll see about blitzing somemore but I can’t fully control it”. And now its Al’s baby for sure cause Kiffin told you to get rid of him.
Even if we blowout KC. There’s not much Ryan can do to redeeem himself in my eyes. Enough is enough.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Ted Reynolds = Thec read my all my post you mindless dupe, i am allways will bleed silver and black….
September 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Why did ryan give that spiel now??????
Why did he not give his spiel after the game??????
That was the funniest thing I read all year. I wish jerry would post the audio version…..
The fans have the power to impact change you guys can make impact the ship so it is righted in a positive manner.
I love al davis, and all he has done, but he needs to retire, or allow the franchise to be run like an NFL franchise.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Oh yeah …and Ryan has a problem with people saying we were “out schemed” well those were his own players words. Just thank DHall who you just tried to protect. According to Ryan, he has nothing but pro bowl players – no wonder they don’t try hard enough ..they all think they’re golden boys. Well they got a reality check Monday.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Terp,
I am right there with you. It is going to take MUCH more than just a win over KC to redeem this bunch of losers.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
A defensive coordinator having a press conference?
How many times do you see that?
This has gone beyond sad.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
post 51, your either a troll or new to this blog…..
glad to get attention from you… keep it coming you dupe, your mind is being controlled by things you dont understand….
September 11th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Lastly, if Ryan don’t want to blitz against max coverage then he’s really saying one of three things:
1. Its a smart move (Denver proved otherwise)
2. He doesn’t have confidence (or balls to do it)
3. He has little confidence in his LBs vs their RBs or he can’t scheme to get someone on his defense a favorable advantage against the protection.
I’m sure Ryan knows a lot about football. But just because you know a lot about defenses doesn’t make you a great DCO.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Maybe he’ll surprise
September 11th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
BAsically Kiffin is a dead man walking. He will be gone by season’s end, if not sooner. We could see Ryan or lofton take us so far down we would have to look up to see the bottom. Until Al takes that last step into the coffin for his dirt nap, this frannchise will remain a punch line. I thought i could not feel as horrible as I did watching the Art Shell 2006 version get tooled by MArty on opening monday 2006, until the shannarat balsted us this past Monday. All of you Al Davis apologists need to put the Koolaide down. You make the Raider Nation look stupid.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Ryan needs to learn how to teach blitz coverages in certain blitz packages.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
What is this the 2nd or 3rd time we’ve heard this speech? Somebody tell Ryan to get some new material cause I ain’t buying that baloney. Go try to sell it to Hillshire Farms.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Henderson,
so it’s all Al’s fault that Kid Lane and Robbo and the players got schooled? as I actually believe in the concept of personal responsibility I find your reasoning a bit odd.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
J.J., posted pretty much the same transcript, over on his blog. With a couple of more Q & A’s
One of them being: Q: Do you and Kiffin, still share grooming tips and beers?
They don’t let me post links. And my piece of antique computer won’t cut & paste. So hop on over, if you want the answer.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Obviously Jerry doesn’t think the blitz is the answer. He brought up the point of his stupid stats twice in the last few posts
September 11th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
post 25 ,YOU dont speak for ME!!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I don’t know what to think. Kiffin says that Ryan meets with Al during the week to formulate the gameplan and Ryan says that it is completely untrue.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
If Al were not such a paranoid old man he would let Lane control the team. Only an idiot can see that this mess has AL’s prints all over it. Al’s meddlesome ways have destroyed the franchise. We got schooled because Al would not let people do their jobs.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Hey guys, I know a lot of you guys make fun of me for being a Christian. However, if any of you are praying people, say one for us down here in TX.
Looks like we are in for a bad one.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Ryan’s nuts are MIA. He is Al’s prostitute. He cannot do anything without asking AL first. That approach is working out so well.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Here’s the link to Jone’s blog with more Q&A’s
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/
September 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
K=rock
Is your real name Ned Flanders?
September 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Fresno State had a motto a couple of year back that The Raiders should adopt. “Just shut up and hit someone.”
September 11th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Just wait. Ryan saved face with Al today at the press conference. He will sign an fat extension or be promoted to HC in the next few weeks.
you heard it here first.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Hand full of whiners,The RAIDERS are AL Davis team!You dont like it,dont buy tickets!!Oh,I forgot,many of you whiners DONT!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Guys…..Thats awesome to hear the email got read….Sucks I had to leave…..the movement is making progress…..
September 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Willie….You sound like a homer…..drinkin the kool aid?
September 11th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Henderson’s motivation to play well is simple:
“I don’t want them all yelling and screaming at me,” he said.
That is exactally what we DON’T need protecting JR’s blind side. If a chance to play in the NFL isn’t enough to motivate his azz, cut him and get someone who is hungry!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Willie
No one is saying that Al hasn’t done great things for this franchise. We are just tired that he hasn’t done the right things for this franchise in a REALLY LONG TIME!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Exactly…….Hey 951….I think he may be someone from the org….trying to put out the flames that the tyrant caused…..
September 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
In the end, it is Davis. I have interviewed and hired a lot of employees over the years. Some of them did not work out despite a perfect interviews but those were rare. We did our best to ensure we hired the right people that had the best chance to produce for us. 99% of the time, they did.
Davis has done a “wonderful” job of hiring Mike White, Norv Turner, Art Shell (second time), Tom Walsh, Bill Calahan, Joe Bugel and on and on and on.
If we believed that these were all bad coaches, then Al Davis must have been really losing his marbles. How can someone supposedly so astute at the game of Football keep hiring coaches that “fail” in Davis’ organization? The one coach that worked out well recently was Gruden and he was sent packing.
In the end, it is all Davis. Coaches are people too and they have their own style of running a team. Those that can put up with Davis’ meddling stayed for a little bit and watch things crumble around them. Those that cannot simply up and leave after one season.
Davis interviewed Kiffin and hired him and gave him a three year contract. So if Kiffin is really “incompetent” then Davis is also incompetent.
Al Davis is no longer good for the Raiders organization. He has basically destroyed his front office, his personnel department and has now turned his coaches against each other. This team is falling apart at the seams. It is similar to empires of old when an emperor loses his marbles and begin to destroy his own empire from within.
Very sad and I feel really bad for Ryan, Kiffin, Lofton, Cable and everyone on the team and even Davis. Davis did much for the and earned the adoration of many fans, including me, but his time has passed, he should have handed the rein off to another person who knows how to run a sports organization.
This “show” has gone well beyond game-day plans and schemes and player skills and qualities, it is now a management level problem all the way to the top.
My bet is Ryan will take over as head coach either before the end of this season or by end of this season.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
It is nice to know that Rob Ryan is a stand-up guy for his players. Too bad he sucks so bad as a defensive coordinator.
His ass kissing of Uncle Al will be rewarded!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Yes, we buy tickets, jerseys, shoes, decals for our cars, etc. But if things don’t change that will stop. Our hearts belong to the Raiders, that will never change. But our money will belong to our wives insted of Al Davis.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Q: Can Hall put that game aside easily?
RYAN: That game that he had, it wasn’t near as bad as people want it to be. There’s a lot of different things that go on in a game. You say it was all him and it wasn’t. A lot of it was a loaded zone where he was deep third and they hit that deep comeback and there’s no one there. (Shoot), that’s not on him. Did he give up a completion or two? Maybe. He was playing a little soft for me in two-minute but bottom line is this guy’s got great confidence, he’s a super talented guy and a damn good player. Will he bounce back? Man I hope we all bounce back. That’s what I’m up here for. We have to bounce back. It’s not one of my players. It’s me right here, all on me. I just want to make sure we got it right.
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Sometimes I think Ryan is delusional. He can’t truly be exonerating Hall. Just say the guy had a rough game but I’m sure he’ll be back. We’ll make sure of it. Don’t pretend the guy was even decent. Even Hall knows he stinked up the joint. I don’t know how you get players to perform like this. They’ll end up thinking they actually did nothing wrong. No worries cause Ryan is not going to crucify me, part of it was his fault anyways.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Kenny King
Check post #114. we’re on the same page man.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Well said,Kenny King. Well said!
September 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Ryan is too touchy feely. He needs to man up and hold his players accountable. If they suck, call them out. If they are real men they can take it, if not cut their sorry azz’s.
September 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Chaos
Are you in the Bay area?
September 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Man, that was THE GREATEST exhibition of dodgeball and unadulterated azz-slurping I have EVER seen a grown man perform in my LIFE. Rob Ryan you deserve an Oscar, Emmy, Golden Globe and the wet Al Davis Nuts trophy for that truly AWESOME performance!! (Oh yeah, and the yearly SUPER-DUMBAZZ plaque for life!!!!!)
“Al’s will be done…”
September 11th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Nope…..So Cal….
September 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
“Did he give up a completion or two? Maybe.” -Rob Ryan
How insane is this guy?
September 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Hey 951….Listnen again….there was apther message set….
September 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
*another*
September 11th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Keep up the good work Nation Collective!
With all the drama surrounding the franchise….its clear our playoffs start this week. THe only thing preventing a total meltdown is a victory against the Chiefs. A loss and Kiffin is fired, a retread hired, and a new game plan that consists of 7 step drops by Russell with our tender offensive tackles providing pass protection…..
……
, I do not want to watch 2006 all over again
September 11th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
The problem we have here is now we can’t put it all on Kiffin. He is the HC and we should hold him fully responsible for the debacle but to be fair we really can’t All as a result of keeping Rob Ryan who he didn’t want. If Kiffin got his guy in there and that defense stunk that bad, he would have no where to hide and we would know the truth. Thats why you let your HC run the ship so they can do what they believe it takes to win. If they lose – you know exactly who to fire.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Ryan always comes to the rescue of his piss poor defenses. Why won’t they return the favor and play for him. They were sleep walking on MNF. Cursing in front of the Media does not prove anything. He said he has been her the last five years. But he didn’t mention that the best his any of squad could achieve against the run is 25th place! You are not going anywhere with if that is the best they can do. Why don’t we all admit that he is just not cut out to scheme a run defense and let’s but our losses and move along.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Terrapin–I could see Kiffin applying a defensive game plan with another young aggressive coach adn being on the same page. Would have done wonders….Oh well, what could have been…Kiffin will be fired if he is not at least 2-2 by the bye week and we will be subjected again to 7 step drops by the quarterback in the phase of blitzes and slow receivers….:(
September 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
If I had to chose between the two, I would rather see Ryan fired than Kiffen. Ryan had 5 years to show us what he can do with players. He has been about as successful as the George Bush!
September 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
This one really got me:
Q: Anything lacking effort-wise on your players part?
RYAN: Not in effort. Sometimes it looked like we were stuck in mud, I swear, the speed of the game. Denver makes you play an adjusting style of game but we’ve done it before an d it just didn’t work out. We were giving up big plays and that’s just not our style and what you don’t want to do against Denver. That was happening and it was damned disappointing. We don’t want to play a game like that. Again, that comes on me. They got us in a couple situations where they got us in a couple different coverages and we just didn’t execute.
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I may be blind and the chances of that is likely; but that defense sure looked like it quit Monday night.
Listen guys, its only reasonable to question scheme we are running if players that left are voicing their opinion. Two notable one’s are Sapp and Woodson. They both pretty much say we didn’t have the personnel to run it – you need pro bowl players across the board to do so. And I for one don’t see pro bowl players across the line. I see good players but not pro bowl players. Do you think they are forcing a scheme on players that don’t have the prerequisite talent?
I’m not saying the scheme is right or wrong – i think it can work with the right players – i’m just saying…
September 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
If you put Patrick Kerney, Tommy Kelly, Albert Haynesworth and Dwight Freeney on the line in that order this scheme would surely kick ass.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
POST 129,Wonderful,stay in the south
September 11th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
i’ll take rob ryan’s ranting and screaming over kiffie’s manipulative bullsh!t anyday…
September 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
post141,dead on right!!
September 11th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
140…..Kiss my Azz
September 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
“I just want to set it straight because, damn, I’ve been here five years and you know what, I don’t think people necessarily have the right story.”
For the record…what has been the Raiders record over the past 5 years? Isn’t it 19-61? Funny, the Raiders plunge into the abyss of professional sports coincides exactly with Rob Ryan’s years as our defensive coordinator. If that ain’t damning then I don’t know what is.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Dont hate the fact that I voice my opinion……dckhead
September 11th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Seriously, all jokes aside…our defensive coordinator was Chuck Bresnahan went we last went to the Super Bowl. Since then we’ve been 19-62. That corresponds exactly to the amount of years that Ryan has been our DC. So if you wanna turn our ship around, I say start with Rob Ryan. Kiffin realized that last year, but Al Davis refused.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
whatever you want to say about him, Rob Ryan has balls whereas Kiffin is an eunuch.
Everybody likes to bash Rob Ryan while most people, including the author of this blog, give Kiffin just about a total pass.
Why aren’t there any blog posts about Kiffin’s pathetic offense? Nothing but excuses is all I read.
Bash Ryan, but why did the Raiders have zero points in the first three quarters Monday night? That’s all on Ryan, I suppose.
Here is Kiffin’s offense in the first half last year:
Week 01 – 0 points
Week 02 – 3 points
Week 06 – 7 points
Week 07 – 0 points
Week 08 – 9 points
Week 09 – 0 points
Week 10 – 3 points
Week 12 – 6 points
Week 14 – 7 points
Week 15 – 7 points
Week 16 – 3 points
Week 17 – 10 points
Those are the facts. That’s Kiffin’s offense. He’s totally overmatched in the NFL. Unlike Ryan who at least takes responsibility, all you get from Kiffin are excuses, efforts to blame things of Al Davis and Rob Ryan, blame the players.
But it’s HIS offense that consistently, week after week, no matter who is playing, that’s unable to put up points in the first half.
People like the author of this blog try to lay it all on the feet of the defense, but what they don’t understand is playing defense is completely different depending on the score. If you’re up by two or three scores, you’re going to be a lot better, because you know the other team has to pass to get back into the game. On the other hand, when you have an overmatched head coach like Kiffin who constantly puts his defense in the worst possible position due to his inability to run an offense that can score some points, of course the defense is going to have trouble.
Ryan deserves blame and should get it. But it’s time for these sportswriters to stop kissing up to Kiffin and point out that he has a offensive philosophy that is a proven failure. Proved over and over, week after week, that his offensive philosophy and playcalling are complete failures.
Now he lies about Ryan and Davis getting together to put together defensive game plans every week. When is the press going to challenge him on this? Either he’s lying or not. Either he has proof that they meet every week or he doesn’t. It sounds to me like another pathetic attempt to lay the blame elsewere.
Maybe the author of this blog can point out the statistics I listed above and question Kiffin why his offense is such a failure and isn’t HE the one to blame for putting the defense in the worst possible situations.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
post 96….. i never thought of it that way and you are soooooo damn right. thats a first.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
# Terrapin Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Do you think they are forcing a scheme on players that don’t have the prerequisite talent?
I’m not saying the scheme is right or wrong – i think it can work with the right players – i’m just saying…
Terrapin I’ll tell ya what I am seeing. And I have posted this a million times on this blog. I am seeing a defensive line that gets blown off the ball and cannot get any pass rush. New England has All Pro Linemen, same with the Giants, Pro Bowl linemen in Jacksonville and Tennessee. What I see is Burgess getting knocked 6 yards downfield on running plays, the same with Warren, Sands falling down and Kelly playing as an average interior lineman. The guy who has played fairly well is Jay Richardson. When you put that all together you have what we all saw on Monday nite. I really like Dmace but I was CRYING for us to draft Dorsey or Ellis or Gholston. Now you guys can see why.
September 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Delicate and Post#96…..there is a ton of pressure from the fans who have been calling the Raiders Facility and letting them know that we are tired of Al Davis and the crap he has done to the team…….then for Kiffen to come out and make the comments he did added to the fire….so Rob had to come out and defend the owner who put him up to it…..
September 11th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I think if you had Bud Carson, Philadelphia’s Jimmy Johnson and Monte Kiffin all coaching our defense, they would not get any improvement because of that defensive line we’re throwing out there. As I like to say, what do you believe, me or your own eyes???
September 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Gholston did nothing against the jets on Sunday
September 11th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Kiffin has been head coach for one season. Ryan has been the self proclaimed ‘Head coach of the defense’ for 5 years, with the same crappy results. I don’t wanna hear jack about Rob Ryan.
All he did was admit what we’ve all seen with our own eyes for years now.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Kush – Gholston, whom I thought could come in and immediately help this defense (Ricky Brown?!) doesn’t start for the Jets. I don’t think they feel they need him right away. I guess Sunday proved they didn’t.
“Al’s will be done…”
September 11th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Did MR post another anti Raider Diatribe from some unknown hack???? I forgot, MR is not a Whiner or Bunco fan coming in here posing as a Raider fan. He’s a real Raider fan posting anti Raider BS. yeah, right.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Well the Jets also let Dwayne Robertson an overall #3 choice leave. They were also 12-4 two years ago, so they must have someone playing on their Dline.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Pirate Arrrrgghhhhhhhh post 147
Last years offense represented a substancial improvement over the previous year. If this years offense is not a substancial improvement over last years then it definately will be time to move on.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
post 150…..im sure of it too, but i was just referencing to the disfunction that is written ALL over it. its so sad to me. i love this damn team and its killing me.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
RYAN SUCKS & AL SUCKS ! …too bad you can’t say that on the Raiders Forum…..they are a bunch of kool-aid drinking AL ball lickers
September 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Post143,Right back at you!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Fang and Delicate……………….You need to do something…….call like a lot of bretheren did today:
The Oakland Raiders
1220 Harbor BayParkway
Alameda, CA94502
510.864.5000
ask for the PR Dept and tell them that you are pissed and want something done…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
whats the deal i heard on grants show about a web site thats for us the fans to try to buy the team?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Willie….your a loser…..one liners…come correct with what you have to say you homer……
September 11th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Delicate…..I love you!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
HAHA our word is spreading…..read on:
For those of you that were not part of the discussion yesterday, I thought I would bring it to your attention that we all have an opportunity here to make our voices heard. Outside of the confines of this blog, the world needs to hear that we are fed up with the tyrant that is Al Davis.
I am personally tired of the dumb comments that I recieve from coworkers, and even people in the stores when I wear my Howie or Lester Hayes jersey proudly.
We have longed for change, and change there will be, but we have to collectively be interested in change. Hopefully by the end of next week, we will have a new website up and running…..it goes by the name of buytheraiders.com……the wheels are in motion Nation……I have personally made contact with the commissioners office and the NFL Network to let them know that we are serious and we are done with the false hopes that Mr. Davis continues to place in front of us, only to find that he pulls the carpet right out from under our feet.
But I must insist, this is not about the long History of the Raiders. Mr. Davis has been very good to us for a long time and that will not be forgotten. But the time is now and the time is right, for the Nation Collective to make a stand against the continuous rhetoric that is tearing our team apart.
I love the Raiders enough to put my foot forward and I hope you all do too.
If that is the case, from this point forward so that you distinguish yourself from the individuals who would like to continue to live in the dark, let it be known by adding Nation Collective to your name…..
There will be more details to follow……..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Post147,great post,RAIDERS!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
i will call them tommarrow and raise HELL….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Here is the letter I wrote to them today and they read over the air:
We the Raider Nation are tired of the tyrant, Mr. Al Davis and his poor decision making that has left our once successful and respected team in shambles. There are members of the Raider Nation who would be interested in the prospect of purchasing share in the team to allow us to have power to make decisions of our Beloved Raiders, like the Packers.
This movement is currently taking shape and has been gathering attention and momentum with the inception of a new website, buytheraiders.com, which is currently being worked on. Our movement is and should be known as Nation Collective.
We are not anarchist, trouble makers, or punks that fight in the stadium, but in fact most of us are the White and Blue Collar workers who own expensive season tickets and/or drive from Los Angeles to watch our team. We are the revenue for this team and feel that we have been forgotten about.
Our hopes is to get enough of a buzz around the potential that we can remove Mr. Davis from his post as the General Managing partner and change can be brought back to the team that so many love to hate.
Now there are a few who are calling for an all out boycott of games. I do not think that will get us anywhere and I do not want it to come to this, as I indicated to them, but know that it is a possibility. There are plans for individuals to contact the Raider Ticket office and ask for a refund for their Season Tickets. There are others who could plan a full walk out of a game during half time. Loss in that type of revenue is not in anyone’s interest.
I am simply asking of you please, to assist us in not necessarily making this a point to dictate to the league that we want Al Davis gone and that is that, but that the Raider Nation is tired of his actions and strangle hold on the team and that it is not helping with the credibility of the team nor league and its good name and that we will make our voices heard. You are a man of great influence and potential to help us reach our goals.
I know you most likely will not respond to this, but if you do get a chance to read this, please understand our frusteration and know that our voices will be heard. We are here to make change and it is going to be news soon enough.
Thank You
Nation Collective – Chaos
September 11th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Ned Flanders…LOL
Not hardly. However, I am also not an idiot who lies about themselves to look tuff and talks trash on the internet.
Its amazing how many 6′4 300 pound ass kickin Raiders bloggers I have found on these boards.
If you don’t pray, then don’t.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
One thing I will say about JRich is he sure does put it on the line and gives it his all. Truthfully, although we got exceptional value out of that pick, he is not yet an all around starter in this league. But yet he’s playing on the right side going up against their best tackles week in and week out. He is one of the defenders who I can clearly see never gave up Monday. And even did KSFO560 afterward like a standup guy with pride.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
it looks good, dont it…my name that is.lol
September 11th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Hang tight K-Rock, we’re with ya man!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
HAHA….yes it does…..welcome…….we need all of the support we can get!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Post 163 Hey jackass,one must get to the Point Quickly,not spewing garbage on and on! ps I think YOU just put out a one liner yourself,moron!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
We are being heard and we will make progress….how many of you would love to have an opportunity to own a piece of the team….To sit in the stadium and make your voice heard in major decisions…….I know I would….I am actualy jelous of the packers who have this right now….and they are a franchise that is on the rise…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Flower, you got it reversed bro… It’s Nation Collective. Justhelping where I can. Out.
“Al’s will be done…”
September 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Should be interesting to see what Kiffin says tomorrow.
i’m sure it will go “I control what I can.” “It is what it is.”
What I don’t get is if Kiffin is pissed he is already pushing big Al’s buttons just come out and SAY it already.
I have had enough of the soap oprah!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Whatever Willie….talk your shyt dumbazz….you can have your opinion…….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
all this disfunction has all us fans hatin on eachother. we need to take it out on others. cant we all just get along….lol
September 11th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
C’mon Ryan…. I don’t care about your pedigree or the schemes or the fact that you can take the heat for the players. Fact is your front 4 can’t pressure the QB. Actually they got handled by a couple rookies. You need to Blitz and Blitz often. They need more help up front. If you continue to give the QB all day to write his memoirs before throwing the rock you’re bound to have open receivers no matter who the DBs are.
Make it happen! Blitz or find a way to bring more than 4.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
oh crap i do. sorry philly.thanx
September 11th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Hey Delicate…..some of the Nation are used to the way things were, and have the same mindset that The Tyrant does…..stay in the hole we are in and complain about it rather then do something about it….there is a saying…..
Some people make things happen……some watch it happen and others wonder what happened…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
i gave my poor dog some left over, heavily peppered hamburger meat…lmfao….hes going to sh!t fire tommarrow.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
good saying.when will the site be up?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
I am a person of action……and I know that the Raider Nation is tired of the current state, so there are a lot of us who are speaking out….is that wrong?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Nation Collective-Delicate Flower Says:
Nation Collective -Chaos Says:
SAME PERSON ???
September 11th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
We are hoping by Monday
September 11th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
we need to hire the billie bean. dude can win with practically nothing till he trades them off.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
post 168 ,Anybody ,please tell me these are RAIDER fans,better yet,tell me/us they are NINER fans!!!Again,#147,YES!Post 168 ,No Thanks
September 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
not the same person. just tired of all the sh!t and joining in.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
blah lah blah…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
NC- Chaos, what is up Bro?????
They Read the Edict that you put own Via e-mail onm live radio Bro……
They did not read it all but they talked about the NATION Collective……
You Should be proud Brother…..
Al can stay the owner, but he needs to change the way the franchise is run if not he needs to leave.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Hey Willie….I have been a raider fan since my inception…born and bred……I have my tattoos and I do have a get up for the games….I travel to places like Philly to back my boys and I talk shyt…..so screw you azz hole…..cause I back my team…..never question the loyality of a true raider fan you troll………….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Hey thec….dealing with this hater troll willie….I can’t believe he is giving me shyt because I have an opinion…
September 11th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Hey willie, did you get around to answering the question i posed earlier.
Willie = Rob Ryan, his response was he is rob ryans bro.
So willie what does that mean you are rob ryans bro?
You guys go out for coffee, play golf, chase chicks what?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
NATION Collective – Thec Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
NC- Chaos, what is up Bro?????
They Read the Edict that you put own Via e-mail onm live radio.
Shawnraiders81:
Anyone care to back that up with a clip or a link?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Willie is rob ryan lol
September 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Nation Collective – Chaos
Here’s another saying I’m sure you can use when the time is appropriate:
There are three kinds of people in this world;
1. those that can count
2. those that can’t
C.
Feel free to use this if needed.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Hey Thec….I sent another afterwards….Grant went off air a few min. after I sent though…..give em hell………
September 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Willie likes to lose i guess, he will be a great lions fan.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Willie works for the org, or is a troll…. funny little man calls rob ryan a stud…. that is some funny stuff willie…
September 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Shawn….see post 168….thats what I sent…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Delicate heard them too….we wouldn’t lie….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
196…. i heard it on sports 1140 at about 5pm pst on the grant napier show on my way home from work…..no sh!t.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
NC-Chaos, did you hear them read the Edict from the NATION Collective? You would have been proud Bro….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Guys, come on this is not Cuba you can try and Have big Al removed all you want it’s not going to happen.
He OWNS the majority of the team, that would be like you guys owning the majority of Apple stocks and someone trying to force you to give them away, it would not be possible.
This is not some government you can “overthrow.” this is a buisness that is already owned and not for sale.
I hate to say it but no mader how wrong big Al is, he can do whatever he wants he OWNS the team.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Hey bro….I actually dont mind ryan….I think deep down he is a good coach….I just think people are putting the blame where the blame shouldn’t be…..it belongs with Davis…..because he will not let our coaches be coaches…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Willie where u at man, answer my questions i called you out before, rob ryan is a stud? how would u know 19-62 thats a stud DCO right?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
not trying to remove him, just trying to have him hand the team over to a good GM and sit back and watch his team get better before he cant see no more. sit back and enjoy his last few moments on earth. you know?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
see shawn…thats the prob…..you guys don’t believe that the fans have a say….and that is rediculous….what do companies always say….it is about the people…without people you are nothing and if there is discontent it needs to be addressed……I think there are a lot of fans who are tired of losing and I think the NFL is tired of the Raiders losing as well….it is not good for the NFL because they lose a lot of attention that way…..we are a huge cornerstone of the NFL and right now we look like a joke…..
September 11th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Has Davis retired yet?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
haha might….you think this happens overnight?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Shawn, To me its not about moving al its about how the franchise is run.
Owner = Al Davis
Head Coach = Al Davis
DCO = Al Davis
GM = Al Davis
Personal Dept = AL Davis
asst DCO = Rob Ryan
Head Off C0 – Lane Kiffin
If you look at the above structure it is not run like an NFL franchise. It is run like someones pet project.
NFL franchises in the 2008′w are ran like fortune 500 companies.
Al can stay the owner for all I care but he needs to but out of internal affairs. He should “play owner” and let his staff run the team.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Like I have said many times dont hate AL… I love the man and what he has done. But we cannot have 7 losing seasons in a row. You fans have all the power. not the frabchise, you want losing to change do something, or be like most sheeple and keep your head in the sand.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
if im not mistaken, didnt miami’s owner give it up to parcels? i bet inside of 3 seasons they are a playoff contender.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
#147
Okay to be fair about Kiffin and Ryan. Here’s how Rob’s Defense did in the first half last year
Gm 1 10 pts allowed
Gm 2 17 pts allowed
Gm 3 10 pts allowed
Gm 4 7 pts allowed
Gm 6 14 pts allowed
Gm 7 6 pts allowed
Gm 8 3 pts allowed
Gm 9 17 pts allowed
Gm10 3 pts allowed
Gm11 19 pts allowed
Gm12 10 pts allowed
Gm13 7 pts allowed
Gm14 14 pts allowed
Gm15 10 pts allowed
Gm16 28 pts allowed ***Most allowed all year***
Now since RR is such a great D-Coordinator and Davis is a guru when it comes to finding players explain to me how come we lost
4 4th Quarter leads and our defense allowed this amount of points in the 4th quarter last year
Gm 1 19 Cost us the game Thanks Al
Gm 2 3
Gm 3 7
Gm 4 0
Gm 6 7
Gm 7 6
Gm 8 3
Gm 9 14
Gm 10 14
Gm 11 7
Gm 12 0
Gm 13 7
Gm 14 7
Gm 15 8
Gm 16 13
Gm 17 6
Okay so you say RR is a standup guy, and that he isn’t the problem. So then tell me if Al Davis isn’t running the defense then why is it the same scheme we ran in the 80’s and 90’s. Who was it that first talked about and ran the Man to Man defense? Who was it that has never had a blitzing team, ever under what seems like 15 different D-Coordinators since 1977. Not one believed in blitzing the QB. Who’s team owner panned the word the QB must go down hard? Who’s team owner has stated numberous times in public and for the press that he doesn’t like blitzing, believes in a 4 man pass rush, and tight man to man defense?
Now to RR, show me one other Ryan who’s team seldom if never blitzes, who teams consistantly under achieve. Your dad Buddy was the blitz guru who basically invented the “Bear” Defense which was not a passive occassional defense it was and is an in your face agressive defense. Your brother Rex in Baltimore loves to blitz and loves to mix up his coverage. Your “2-Superbowl teams” in NE, never played the same defense quarter to quarter let alone game two game. So who’s lying Robo? Who’s kissing who’s A** Rob O?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
do you guys forget what big AL did when the NFL fought him on th move to LA???
HE MOVED ANYWAY,…………….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Shawn……never hurts to try……
September 11th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
214….i would of accepted 7 losing seasons only if we averaged 7 wins, but 4,4,5,4,2,4,?….not acceptible. at least we would always be competitive and just a couple wins from the playoffs.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Delicate….you get it…….
September 11th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Some people get it some dont. The only way this is going to change is that the fans need to stand up, and say we are not taking this anymore. Folks from all over were calling in and all of them were on one accord. That is not by accident. Run this franchise properly is all i want.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
GUYS I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE ALL UPSET WITH AL.
I’M JUST SAYING IT’S GOOD TO SPEAK YOUR OPINION AND MAKE IT HEARD, BUT TO THINK AL DAVIS WOULD EVER SELL HIS TEAM OR GIVE UP CONTROL IS BEOND A DREAM.
BUT MAKING CHANGES FROM DISPLEASURE BY THE FANS I CAN SEE, LIKE PUTTING ROB RYAN OUT TODAY, TRYING TO CALM EVERYONE. THAT IS WAY MORE LIKLEY!
September 11th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
We are ranked 28th in revenue. Yet we have a worldwide fan base?????? huh. How many dis-charger fans in copenhagen?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Shawn, why do you think Ryan came out today???????
How come he didnt do that song and dance on monday or tuesday?
Why now??????
September 11th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
How many years will our young players be set back if we lose on sunday. Word on the street kiffin to be fired if we lose.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
The noise Thec, the noise……
September 11th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
222…..maybe not but the louder we are the more chances we got to be heard by the right peeps.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Did you hear sean salisbury?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
If I was at the press conference I wouldn’t have just asked those easy questions of Rob. If Rob O ever has another press conference please ask him questions such as.
Rob since you said it was all your fault for the bad scheme that went on Monday night. Would you be willing to reliqunish some of your duties or power if Lane Kiffin were to ask you too?
Q: Rob who do you answer too, the Head Coach or the owner? If the Head Coach asks you (tell’s) you to make changes on the defense with regards to certain players, and if Kiffin tells you he wants you to blitz about 50% of the time, will you do it without hesitant?
If Not then you are part of the problem, if yes you are part of the solution.
Q: Rob when you were in NE as a defensive assistant did you HC (Belicheck) not have any say at all in your defensive scheme for the week. Would Belichek allow his owner to determine which players played and which ones didn’t. In fact would Belichek just let the defense and the offense do there own thing, or did he make all his coaches do what he wanted to do?
Q: Rob, last year your defense gave up 4 4th quarter leads, if your team continues to do that this year would you be prepared to resign?
Q; Rob, was Warren Sapp making things up or lying when he stated that during games weird things would happen and the sideline phone would ring and then weird things would happen again? Was Stuart S also lying when he said basically the same thing?
Q: Rob, since you like say our CB are so good, will you personally tell Mr. Davis to sign Asomughu to a long term contract for whatever it takes? Or will you just cowher when it comes to Davis.
September 11th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
That would suck if they let kiff go now…….it is way too late for that……
September 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
NATION Collective – Thec:
DUDE HE CAME OUT MONDAY BECAUSE KIFFIN STATED THAT HE MEETS ONCE A WEEK WITH AL DAVIS AND BIG AL SENT HIM OUT TO TRY AND MAKE NICE.
HE DID NOT COME OUT BECAUSE HE SITS IN HIS WHEEL CHAIR AND READS OUT BLOG, HE SITS IN A WHEEL CHAIR AND READS WHAT THE WRITES ARE SAYING.
LIKE I SAID IT’S GOOD TO VOICE OUR OPINION, BUT LIKE I SAID WHEN AL DAVIS WANTED TO MOVE TO LA AND THE NFL FOUGHT HIM, THE NFL THE NFL THE NFL FOUGHT HIM, HE MOVED ANYWAY.
AND THE NFL IS WAY MORE POWERFUL THEN YOU OR ME OR ANY AMOUNT OF MONNEY…. GET IT?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
No what did he say?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
hell, maybe old AL will have a unselfish thought for a split second and that may start to break him down. or hell maybe i’ll wake up tommarrow 4 inchs longer…lol
September 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
“if you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem” Nation Collective is the only thing about the Raiders worth paying attention to at this point. Nothing else has worked, so now it is time for us fans to save OUR franchise.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I like it Nation, please please keep it up. Shawn doesn’t understand that Davis doesn’t like being embarrassed in public, and maybe just maybe this will help. Hell it can’t hurt, how much worse can we possibly get.
As for moving Shawn, let me ask you this. With as many people as Al has ripped off, and as bad as the Raiders are who in their right mind would want them?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Hey shawn….why were there people in here from the raiders office blogging? moderating? no there were tons of calls made today to them and the word got out to nfl network and other media outlets about out anger……
September 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
this is not a small thing bro…..we wouldn’t be doing this if it were talk….the wheels are in motion….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
231…..maybe THE NFL will hear and im sure they can some how some way intervene and help AL out.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Hey delicate…..we were online with goodell today….he had a live blog on the net today…I still need to listen to whether or not he answered any of our posts….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
you wouldnt have known salsbury was a raider fan the way he spits on them.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Thec……what did he say?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
ya i know, i asked him that same question too. i asked if a certain owner was hurting his franchise if the league coule intervene. i hope he answered it.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Guys Guys Guys, I’m not the “enemy” I am a raider fans like all of you and want the Raiders to Win.
Let me bring my own opinion, enough of the I don’t understand because I don’t agree with you 100% is that not the same thing Al Davis is doing?
All I am saying is this.
1) It was the first game of 08, start getting pissed if this continues for 2-3 more games.
2) Lets make our voice heard. but dpn’t expect Al Davis to step down. be realistic at least.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
POST208 AND OTHERS, I dont agree ,period w/you !you do youre thing,Never will I follow Traitors !My OPINION
September 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Kiffin has done a good job in developing JR amidst troubled times. I do believe JR needs to take a few more shots down field however. I also believe JR would benefit by dropping 10-15 pounds. I know he is a large framed individual but he looked a little sluggish when he did try to hit the road & go upfield Monday night.
I hoping we see more of the “Bush”man in the backfield with, at the same time, Dmac at the flanker position. That combination should stir up the opposition a bit.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Good night,misguided
September 11th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Where’s Coach Elkin’s when we need him…..
September 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Shawnraiders81..I agree 100%!!!..tried telling these guy’s the same thing yesterday and they didn’t want to hear it then either…
September 11th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
good ridence hard headed….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
LOL…empty headset……lol……guys this is something that is stirring and has been for a long time….years have gone by with the Raider Nation living in turmoil and we are tired of it….so the word will continue to spread and change will come….I am very optimistic….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Lanes empty headset:
I agree we should voice our opinions to the Raiders and bring signs to the game and call e-mail whatever to get the voice heard.
But to think that we ca “push” Al Davis out is a joke, this is the same man that Moved his team to LA when the NFL tryed to stop him.
this is the same man that sued the NFL numerous times but yet the NFL could do nothing.
But some of these guys think they are bigger than the NFL apparently……
September 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Shawn…..I know we are not bigger then the nfl….individually that is…..”collectively” we are bigger then you let on to be….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
you are wrong about one thing Shawnraiders: This is not the same man who did all those things, this is a shell of that man. That is the difference, he has become incompetent, and action is needed. We can’t physically remove him, but we can draw the attention of the NFL to this once great fan-base that demands change.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
This is all crap. Does this mean that Al Davis would have gotten all the PRAISE along with RR if the RAIDERS would have creamed the Broncos!! I think NOT!!
Stop being so STUPID!! It’s only one game!! And one game does not make a season!!
Besides Al Davis is not going anywhere until he croaks so stop crying like little BITHCES!!
September 11th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Guys what did the NFL do when he moved to LA?
What did the NFL do when he sued them, the got lawers to fight in the court room, they did nothing to take his team.
but now because BART bride brigade and some other guys all of a sudden the NFL has the power to strip Al Davis of his team?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
so regarding the interview and question and answer session….some of the questions were rediculous, but if you listen to the last few minutes….he says and says it over and over that there are situations that are being evaluated and that the NFL is going to do the right thing to keep all fans interested in the league….and that they listen to the fans……so lets make some noise…..
I am going to forward my email to them too….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
its not worth it Thec and Bart…..these dudes drink the kool aide….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
NC-Chaos, Sean Salsbury waya saying how much he has allways been a fan of the Raiders, how he grew up watching and loving the team, and how because he is in the media he has to be unbiased. He also says he love going into the black hole.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
LOL…..where did he say that?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Yeah Shawn Al has always won, so I guess we shouldn’t even try.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
I wish Al would hire Jon Madden to run the team, but I know better, I wish I was delusional and thought that the NFL or any of us could take the team from Davis.
He owns the team and and can do whatever he wants, once again it would be like me trying to take YOUR house because I don’t like the color it is, but yet I am a fan of it……
Speaking your displeasure MAY cause him to make a change, that is a possibility, not a chance he steps down, he will have to die first.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
salisbury grew up in the Bay Area, I think San Jose or something, I have heard him mention that he grew up a Raider fan before.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
The guy on the radio was saying we lose kiffin is fired. We lose that will set this team back 3 yrs, maybe more.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Hello,Hello,Lets see,when AL Went south,We had 54000 seat stadium.We ALL tried to stop it,failed!!! ITS Als team,not youres!You want to make a point,dont go to the games,dont buy clothing,hats,etc
September 11th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
HAHA…..I got it….
Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net
September 11th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
you know whats funny???
If you guys ran the team it would be the same, I keep reading things like “we drink kool aid and Shawn does not understand.”
Does Al Davis not do the same thing with us, we all think we are right all the time, truth is we need people in control that can see from more than one angle. thats the problem, you folk are the same as Al Davis to me.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
post 261, Your argument is not the same, but i will humor you. Let say you I dont like the way you paint your house because it violates home owner assciation code, i could complain about it.
I put money, time, energy, love into being aq member of the nation. What do I get in return 6 losing seasons in a row.
Kiffin goes how many do we win on interim coach?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
hey shawn…thats why we would be interested in making the raiders an option for the RAIDER NATION…not one of us….many of us…..like the packers…
September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
NATION Collective – Thec Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
post 261, Your argument is not the same, but i will humor you. Let say you I dont like the way you paint your house because it violates home owner assciation code, i could complain about it.
DUDE THERE IS NO HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN THE NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE OWNS THE WHOLE TEAM………..
September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Roger Goodell’s Email Address (NFL Commissioner): Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net
Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027
September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Shawn I am with you totally but #253, BBB I think you have a point and a righteous cause. This franchise is not being run the way it deserves to be run. The way the fans, the players, the organization, the ghosts from the past, deserve to see it run. It is now time to voice some extreme displeasure.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
simple minded isnt he….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Nation Collective -Chaos Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
hey shawn…thats why we would be interested in making the raiders an option for the RAIDER NATION…not one of us….many of us…..like the packers…
ShawnRaiders81: That would be nice, but the diffrence? the pack have ALWAYS been community owned. not the same story here.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
The public. Green bay are the only nfl team to not have an owner. All money earnt goes back into the club.
—————
The Packers are deeply rooted in the Wisconsin city where they were founded in 1919. They were named after a local meat processing plant, the Indian Packing Company, which paid for the first uniforms. Starting in the 1920s, the Green Bay Football Corp. made a series of public stock offerings. In 1950, 1,900 local residents each put up $25 a share to buy the team. They and their descendants remain the owners. No one owns more than 200 shares of Packers stock. And it pays no dividends — every cent goes back to the team in pay or toward the improvement of facilities. The result is a community — and team — spirit unmatched in any other National Football League city. That’s why Packer players who score touchdowns leap into the stands to embrace spectators. That’s why fans at Lambeau Field sing “Amazing Grace” during time-outs. That’s why, as Bruce Adams of the San Francisco Examiner wrote last year, “a group of nuns 75 miles away in Fond du Lac prays for the Packers on Sunday morning and then settles down in front of a television set to watch the game.”
It’s also one reason why a team from the small northern town of Green Bay could beat all the big, bankrolled teams from New York to Los Angeles — the Packers have soul.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
So Gil, Are you a raider fan?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
The result is a community — and team — spirit unmatched in any other National Football League city.
wouldn’t that speak volumes?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Isn’t that what we want?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Shawn i guess you and I will have to repectfully disagree Bro…
September 11th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
You can’t compare modern teams to the GB Packers in the 1950’s. Teams at that point were worth tens of thousands of dollars. Now they are worth hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. It’s a different time.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
There is still 16 teams in the NFL that have never WON a super bowl……So you little bithches should be happy that Al has atleast delivered 3 super bowls with the Raiders.
STOP FRICKEN CRYING!!
I’m sure those super bowl less teams wish they had an Al Davis in their history!
You sound like little spoiled GIRLS!
September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
yeah but the money that we make now compares to the money they made then…$25 then is like $1000 now….whats the difference?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Guys I pray that Al Davis steps down, I never wish that anyone die.
But ALL I am saying is WE SHOULD voice our displeasure, and hope that change is made, just don’t expect Al Davis to release control.
My dad was set in his ways when he was 50, how much more do you think Al Davis is set in his ways, Older people tend to get more stuborn with age.
All we can do is suport the Raiders voice our displeasure and hope that Al Davis does whats best. (pray)
September 11th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Repost:
NATION Collective – Thec Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Shawn, To me its not about moving al its about how the franchise is run.
Owner = Al Davis
Head Coach = Al Davis
DCO = Al Davis
GM = Al Davis
Personal Dept = AL Davis
asst DCO = Rob Ryan
Head Off C0 – Lane Kiffin
If you look at the above structure it is not run like an NFL franchise. It is run like someones pet project.
NFL franchises in the 2008′w are ran like fortune 500 companies.
Al can stay the owner for all I care but he needs to but out of internal affairs. He should “play owner” and let his staff run the team.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Guys I pray that Al Davis steps down, I never wish that anyone die.
My dad was set in his ways when he was 50, how much more do you think Al Davis is set in his ways, Older people tend to get more stuborn with age.
All we can do is suport the Raiders voice our displeasure and hope that Al Davis does whats best. (pray)
He does not like the public to bash him or the Raiders and through that outlet we can and should make progress, but the Whole we will own the team thing…. come on guys.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
I dont want AL Davis to Die I love AL Davis. I hope he lives to be 120 and get to see another dynasty or 2.
I hope he sees us win 5 more SB’s. He can stay the owner for all i care, i just want the team ran like an NFL franchise and if that means removing Al so beit.
We are looking at 6 losing seasons.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
We ALL want the Raiders to be run like and NFL franchise but what say do we have other than to Speak?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Our Head coach is not a head coach but a Head Offensive Coordinator. Yet he will get wack, how is that fair?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Shawn….I understand your position….and to tell you the truth….we set a goal and true logic says to reach high….and thats what we are doing….but one day if you have the option to purchase a share or two in the team would you? I would hope that a true fan such as yourself would love that opportunity right?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I think YOU are all out of youre “collective” minds,oh well,different strokes for different folks.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
listen RR/AD:
if you only blitz on 3rd down and don’t disguise HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you actually change up a f’n package and disguise blitzes then you have a higher chance of success.
Basically, there was not a defensive adjustment and we need not realize (even through the screen us fans watched) that ROyal couldn’t get off the line on man-to man from the line of scrimmage. I want to beat these guys. WTF are they doing?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
So if we lose, and kiffin is fired then what?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Lets not panic! Remember that Kiffin decided to sit out all 22 starters the last preseason game and it showed. Lets give the team a few games before we decide to “burn the house down”
September 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Then we all lose Thec…..we all lose….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
I hope the raiders go 0-16.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Oakglenn Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Shawn I am with you totally but #253, BBB I think you have a point and a righteous cause. This franchise is not being run the way it deserves to be run. The way the fans, the players, the organization, the ghosts from the past, deserve to see it run. It is now time to voice some extreme displeasure.
ShawnRaiders81:
Thats all we can do is voice extreme displeasure and Hope big Al will do something good for a change.
He will by no means step down, in my “kool aid” drinking opinion according to some.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
SC trust me…I am not looking for the house to move an inch….but years bro….years now we have dealt with this…..not a game here or there but years……..it old…..
September 11th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
do all you guys go to the home games?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
LOL Pathetic….wrong blog bro….go find a hole to crawl in……
September 11th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Yes!
September 11th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
i heard on the radio today that kiffin is getting fired this monday after the kc loss.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Chaos the difference is money has depreciated in value about 40 fold, where sports teams have appreciated in value about 200,000 fold.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Real fans want this team to win, If restructuring the franchise means we win games im in.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
nation it is you thats in the wrong blog.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
I bet the Raider sarent apprciate, we are rank 28th in revenue. We have a worldwide fan base yet we are ranked 28th????
September 11th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Pathetic…..that is the buzz…..and….?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
oh,..nation,..you are one of the real fans?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
So you fans dont think you can impact change?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
born and bred….but I dont question anyone elses loyality because of their opinion……whats your beef?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
nation you sound like a real gay fan.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
lol…..why because I speak intelligently?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Let me ask the question do we want 7 losing seasons in a freekin row??????? I had us going 8-8 minimum, i will still stand by that but will we actually get to 8 wins?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
hahaha…..that is an immature statement….real pathetic…..
September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
nation, you are a loser.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Shawn people call me an Al Davis shill which in reality I am not. I’ve said here a million times I can spend weeks going over all the insane things Davis has done. But What’s the point of that?? I do know in reality Davis is not going to just hand over the keys of the franchise, a franchise he built from the ground up thru decades of blood sweat and tears, to someone completely unproven, because some group of people he doesn’t know tells him to.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
yeah sure thing bro…..big bad asz on the net….
September 11th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
and why would I be a loser troll?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
did you say 8 wins nation?…can you tell me where the 1st win is? you wont be able to tell me because its not there…you turd.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
You know what i have learned on this blog, you ignore the ignorant they will go away….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Tard Boy,
Don’t you have any self-esteem?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
because I have ideas….because I am not a troll like yourself?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
yeah Thec…your right…my bad….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
he guys Rob Ryan and Kiffin media time is on Raiders.com
September 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
NATION Collective, sounds like you truely bleed Silver and Black like I do. It’s rough on all of us. Week after week…year after year. Season is still early though, lets not panic yet.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Post 318, thats funny…LOL At least you got the first part of your name right you are pathetic, and funny at the same time hahahahaaa keep it coming…
September 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
I can’t take it anymore — it’s too funny (well, it could be).
An alleged “collective” purports to represent all of the Raiders faithful (again…collective means ALL, not some), and they’re being laughed at all over the place now. The anti-Raiders crowd is loving every minute of it, and instead of laughing with this group, they are laughing at them. Just what real fans want to do to a team they say they love and support. If this were an actual ship, you mutineers would be tossed to the sharks already. Hate all you want, but stop saying you represent all (or even the majority), when you don’t.
I know it’s a way to drive hits to your new web site, and a relative few of the once-faithful have bought into your BS — but you don’t speak for me. And, there are plenty of us fans — who are still fans — who are as upset as anyone else out there. Al hears us, and Al himself is sick of it. But not a single one of you “collectives” has a better idea than “get rid of Al,” or “fire so-and-so.” Give us all a better option — can you find one? Change, just for the sake of change, isn’t going to work.
How many firings have we had in the past few years, and how much has it helped? I’ve been a big Kiff guy for awhile, but he’s losing me fast. Although I think RR was given one too many years to figure it out, and I just can’t stand his schemes/play-calling not working anymore — at least he hasn’t given up…something too many in here are doing. Is that the way you were raised, or is it the way you are raising your own kids? Little Johnny’s high school team gets blown-out, and the first thing you all do is quit? Now that’s showing character for the younger generation. Must be tough to be a T-ball coach in your neighborhoods.
Stop embarrassing yourselves with nonsense like this:
“Fire Rob Ryan and commit Al Davis to a leopard’s colony.” —- **A leopard’s colony?? What?
“most of us are the White and Blue Collar workers who own expensive season tickets and/or drive from Los Angeles” —- **Don’t believe it for a minute! Can you PROVE the majority of your band-wagoners have season tickets? If not, you’re misrepresenting yourselves — which wouldn’t at all surprise those of us who can actually see through the bluster.
“i will call them tommarrow and raise HELL….” —- **Can you even read a keypad or dial?
“I think Al got word and sent his holligan out to stop the bleeding…..but Al….this is bigger then that” —- **WTF is a holligan? Learn the words and THEN you’ll be less embarrassing THAN you already are.
—
Remember — the world you’re reaching out to with your message is an educated one. Lawyers, journalists, talk-show hosts, and even commissioners (believe it or not) usually know how to write and read. They also know how to judge — and they are judging your words and actions, and THEN they are laughing at you…COLLECTIVELY.
Bad enough this team so many of us love is getting laughed at — but to add a quitters attitude to the public perception of what a true Raiders fan is, is nothing short of self-humiliation. You have lost all sense of worth, and have shown a true lack of character. You have reduced yourselves, and your cause, to public ridicule.
Al, Kiff, RR, and the entire team deserves critique. They also deserve a bit — just a little bit — of objectivity and support. That, they get from real fans — but not from hypocrites.
No mutiny from this quarter. Not now — not ever.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
0-16
September 11th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Or just laugh at them coz they are quite funny, and entertaining…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
anyways guys….shawn I like where you are….your where I was 3 years ago….and Thec…..we will do this again tomorrow….but I run a big firm and I have a lot of business to conduct tomorrow so I am getting out…..but we should attack the airways again tomorrow and continue to spread the word that we are here and we will be heard….and whether or not people believe it or want to hear it….the Raider Nation is fed up and we will be the voice of reason……to do something to make the future of the raiders great again….so trolls like pathetic can talk crap when we bash his team in the ground……..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Collective I am all for what you guys are doing. keep the pressure on this organization!
September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
i will be watching the game sunday, kc will open up a can of whup a$$,..take that you turds.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Remember it was just the first game of the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
its a shame oakland won a preseason game,…0-20 would have been a great achievement. go eat a turd.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
hey haze….where did you get that from?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
hayes i meant….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
chiefs suck, come back monday
September 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Hayes….where did you get that from….or did you write it?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
sd beats denver, leaving oakland only winless team in the west,..jim rome today said oakland has good chance at 0-16, he hopes it happens, me too,…you turds.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
figures……must be someone with al on his hip…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
and to insinuate that we have a quitters mentality is rediculous……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
speaking about turds..does Jim Rome have anything better to say!
September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
oh shawn you butt head, i will be here monday to say i told you so…. so take that toilet paper eater.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
I have read some crazy stuff but this is a laugher,
Quote from Hayes,
“Bad enough this team so many of us love is getting laughed at — but to add a quitters attitude to the public perception of what a true Raiders fan is, is nothing short of self-humiliation. You have lost all sense of worth, and have shown a true lack of character. You have reduced yourselves, and your cause, to public ridicule.”
Thats funny because several weeks ago right up until today everyone in the media was laughing at the RAIDERS.
You cant question anyones fan hood but your own. I have been a fan since the early 70’s, we can go 0-20 i will still be a fan. You can post these long diatribes if you want but you have no idea about someone else.
As far as speaking for you, you speak for yourself never said once i rep you or the horse you rode in on.
Not buying you or what you are saying…
Funny how 20 fans got on the radio today saying the same thing.
Hayes save your speech for someone who care BRO….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Chiefs are the arm pit of the AFC west.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
If your defense can’t stop the run (at or near the botton on R Def for the last five years) and this year they can’t stop the pass and/or tackle, then Firing Kiffen will do absolutely nothing to improve this team because Kiffen has no say in the defense.
Fire Ryan! Hire another Kiffen. That will be a House United.
UNITED WE STAND/DIVIDED WE FALL (see MNF)
September 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
thec i agree with hayze,…you just are a dumb dumb who cant handle the truth
September 11th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Nc-Chaos take care BRO….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Where did I get what from? The illiterate examples from you, “Chaos,” and those that support your cause? For a self-promoting guy who says “i run a big firm,” you sure could use your secretary.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I dont think anyone should go….it is too late to make a coaching change……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
shawn, the armpit lost at home monday night in a blowout,..or didnt you see the game?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
If we can’t beat the chiefs then I will freak out, at least the donks have some talent.
chiefs traded theres to the vikings, maybe Jim Rome should have talked about the brilliant GM moves with the chiefs flat out losers.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
From my memory we went into KC last year and beat the chiefs thats what I remember…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
hayes….you can say what you want…..my opinion is my opinion and it just so happens that there are others in the Nation that feel the same….I am glad that you can speak your mind and I do not hate the fact that you are doing so, but this is not something that we all did not see coming…..it has been dwelling in a lot of us for a long time….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
chaos,..i think you should go….. pin head.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
and right now the Raiders,Chargers,and the crapy cheifs are all tied for second in the AFC west at 0-1 thats what i see.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
sure thing….pin head……lol…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
shawn, thats a good strategy,…live in the past, last year, this year looks too scary for you. i like your idea,..hope it works for you. lol
September 11th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
So the media just started laughing at us over the last couple of days right? WE have been the laughing stock of all sports franchises the last 5 years.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Thec says:
“You cant question anyones fan hood but your own. I have been a fan since the early 70’s, we can go 0-20 i will still be a fan. You can post these long diatribes if you want but you have no idea about someone else.”
Thec, that’s what I mean about being a hypocrite — first you belong to a “collective,” which again, means ALL, not some…and you act like youe speak for ALL of us. Then, you say I have no idea about someone else. Your two faces are showing.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Raiders 0-1
Chiefs 0-1
Chargers 0-1
you tell me who is living in the past
September 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders Might Start OT Mario Henderson Week 2 If Kwame Harris doesnt recover sufficiently in the next two days, Mario Henderson will be protecting the blind side of JaMarcus Russell in what could be the NFLs toughest road venue. Henderson took all the reps at left tackle for the second straight day as Harris sat out with a knee injury sustained against Denver. Kiffin said Hendersons presence would be taken into account with regard to play calling. Part of that depends on how the games going. Obviously, the opening script, we will take that into account, Marios first time playing and being on the road, Kiffin said. Wed take that into account but then well see the flow of the game and see how its going. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
September 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
hayes….you dont need to get personal…if you dont like the way we think….thats fine….but we are fans of the same team as you….and we are entitled to our opinions……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
jim rome is usually right, and im a regular caller…jim rome said today the raiders wont win a game… so eat that you loonies.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
No hayes your two faces are showing by how you intepret what I type. Collective does not mean all, or all inclusive. You dont know me, nor do you know anything about me.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
haha….your a clone or what ever he calls you jackazzes…….lol
September 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
chaos your opinion smells like manure.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Jim Rome is a dumb ass plane and simple.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
hey kind of like you …….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Thec,we have not agreed much today,however,the sob is pathetic ,not mr ,is it?Anyway,RAIDERS!!!! 11 SALUTE
September 11th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
hey thec….dont go there bro….he is allowed to think as he does…….hell I wear a lester hayes jersey so I respect the name……but this fight is not between Raider Fans….it is with the way our team is being ran by the tyrant……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
And, the thing to do is add to the laughter? Doesn’t make sense.
And yes, I do know there are many, many, thousands of fans who are tired of the losing. But, I also know there are many, many fans who would never do what you guys are doing.
Hate Al all you want, hate on the team all you want. But don’t say you speak for all of us when you don’t.
If you want your group to have a legitimate name, change it to something like “Some Raiders Some-Time Fans Who Have Jumped Ship.”
September 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders WR Javon Walker Still Struggling With Hamstring Raiders WR Javon Walker practiced for the second straight day, but he may not be 100 percent and Kiffin wasnt sure he would start if he played. Theres still something there a little bit, Kiffin said. I dont know that I would say he has the best burst that hes had since hes been here but he looks like hes ready to play. If Walker doesnt start, Ashley Lelie will open at split end with Ronald Curry at flanker. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
September 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
thec your the typical internet bully,…grow up you wino.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
and that news is not something new…..just turns out that right now people are tired of it…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Hayes…..please do not question my loyality…..I am not questioning yours……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I dont hate AL, I love AL Davis and all that he has done for the NATION and the NFL. ALl I want is to see our franchise run like an NFL franchise. Al Davis in my opinion wers to many hats. We have no real structure.
You can question my fan hood thats cool only I know my heart and if what I am doing will help the NATION, and usher in change I will do it.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
for all you fantasy football people, larry johnson will run wild sunday. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Chaos — you tell me not to get personal…yet, you call people d*ckhead when they disagree with your cause? More hypocrisy.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
no he was getting out of hand…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Hayes….I think we agree to disagree…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
thec stop your crying you crybaby.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I have never ever said i hate AL Davis. I hope Al Lives to be 120. I ope e will be alive to see the NATION win 5 more SB’s.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Take all these players and put them in Belichet “system” and they will succeed. Does Ryan even have “a system”. Five years of this. This season is OVER!! The “armpit” of the league is going to pork the joke of the league
September 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
you all sound kind of gay,..not judging though.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
haha….that was good sir……
September 11th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
hey pathetic……shhhhhhhhhhhhhh there are adults talking……..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Hayes, why dont you change your name to I will follow like a mindless drone. You come in here with this GOD like complex typing this extra long winded dissertation on what ever it was, and questioning fan hood. sorry but not buying it. Our Raiders need to change if we want to start winning. The organizational structure needs to change.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
So hayes….what do you propose the team does to get out of this 5 year hole?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
sir i see kc winning easily, 48-10
September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
sit back….drink a corona….sing cumbaya?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
The new england patriots is run like a professional franchise, not like someones pet project.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Simple Question,will we see Mike Bush at RB this week?And will LK wear a real hat,Raider Black? Later Nation
September 11th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hayes you appear to be a scholar with your long winded post. riddle me this what is the definition of insanity??????
September 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Thec — Collective does, in fact, mean ALL. That’s why I’m telling you guys you are wrong. You do not represent us all.
Your opinions? Hey, you got ‘em, and I sure won’t tell you you can’t have ‘em. But stop telling the world you speak for all of us when you don’t.
One thing you are doing, though…is making the Silver & Black look bad (or, even worse) with this mutiny.
Shawn — You are 100% right…
Not only are 3/4 of the AFC West 0-1, but 1/2 of the league is 0-1.
Quitting now is the last thing we want our team to do — and it’s the last thing the team wants its fans to do. But, that’s what many are doing.
I say to quitters — want to quit? Just take your ball and go home then. I’ll keep my stance, my dignity, and my pride…along with my season tickets.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
there is hope for oakland,..a players strike.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Thats a good question….I hope we see bush….he has been on the sidelines way too long….he could have made a difference in the game Monday…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
i’ll give ryan kudas for taking the heat and being a man. this , however, doesn’t make him suck any less. he is still BY FAR the worst defensive play caller in the NFL. it not just the lack of blitzing, but no stunting, no creativty. this isn’t high school ball. you can just line up eleven guys and play gaps with your corners isolated. if i were a OC in the NFL, i’d have a 10-foot boner if i saw the raiders and ryan’s JV defense on our schedule.
it is complete insanity. this sh!t has been going on for 5 years now with little to no change. i’m starting to wonder if al owes money to the mob or something; if we HAVE TO suck so al doesn’t get whacked. this is the only possible reason rob ryan still has a job in the NFL. he wouldn’t cut it in the big sky conference.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Hayes….why do you feel that we are quitting on the team?
September 11th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
the raiders are already writing off this season…didnt you see the game the other night?…they should ask walker if he still wants to retire…then ask Hall,…curry…gallery…ok, ask the whole roster.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
because we are making it known that we are angry? Maybe you are right….maybe the name is suggestive……but I have made it known all of the postings that I have made to do this the right way…..to ask for change is not going into Al’s office with a gun and putting my flag on the stadium……we are asking that he make a change and let the coaches coach and the team act as a team….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
right now and for the last few years you have to admit that he is stuck in a different world from where the entire NFL is. Grant Napier said it today on his radio show….Mike Ditka said it the other day on TV….Al is ruining the franchise and all he has done to make it a respected name….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Hayes, never said i was quitting stop making baseless assumptions….
My wanting the francise to change has nothing to do with my fan hood. You dont know me hayes, you know nothing about who i am or what I represent so dont act like you do.
You have been making one assumption after another which is totally baseless and quit frankly just wrong.
I will be wearing my DMAC Authentic on sunday, screaming for my team to win.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Thec…I wish the players would speak out…….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
well i am going to bed, keep up the great posts you doe-doe birds. g`night. remember, kc 48-10
September 11th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
not idiots like Sapp who say it to be hurtful, but players who are respected and can make a difference….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
doe-doe birds ROFLMAO….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Gannon, Brown, Bo, Otto, Howie, Marcus….the ones everyone can relate to
September 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
oh wait….they all have……Tim does it every week on TV…..and Howie does too……and so does Gannon………..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
there is only one way…ONE WAY al davis could redeem himself and make me believe he isn’t in the throws of dementia: hire bill cowher as head coach and GM.
cowher knows what it takes to turn around failing, flagship franchise.
well, there’s two i guess…bring back gruden.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Happydaze#37
Thanks for the blog comments, you have been commenting my thoughts for three days.
I decided this was so crazy why participate. Thanks for the sense of your thoughts and words, I really appreciate your views.
Your one person I can count on in a fox hole, thanks for the comments so I don’t have to.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
The players are in a bind. They cant speak out thats the pay check. I would like to know what they thought about ALL the fans that spoke on the bay area radio show. I know those guys listen to the show.
September 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I hope it shows on the field bro…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Chaos — Here are a few definitive ways to really show your displeasure…give up your tickets (if you really have any); stop buying Raiders gear; stop watching the games (when they’re on) and the commercials that go with them; stop listening to the radio when the Raiders are on, and so on.
Al’s not going anywhere — he controls the team, and he pays the salaries. Ride it out, or don’t, your choice — but you’re not going to oust Al with this movement.
You’ll get quite a few hits to your website, though — and probably even sell some T-shirts…to other than Raiders fans, I’m sure. Now, that’s the way to be a fan!
September 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Dell….speak your mind….this is a public blog….don’t be ashamed….
September 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
I am outta here see you guys ltr.
1 NATION
September 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Hayes…I never said this was about profit or to get some website a ton of hits…..and no I will never quit on the team I root for….I have been a fan way too long to let that one go…..
September 11th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
the website will be created to allow people to come out and speak and ask for the old man to change his ways….thats it….and if he does decide to leave, then one of my wishes would be to have the ability to contribute as a part owner of the team….like the packers do…..will that happen? who knows?
September 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
and even though we disagree, I respect your words and opinions….
September 11th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I hope things change quick….cause I am tired of losing and I am tired of the fighting….
September 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Thec — You say you belong to a movement that speaks for all of us, and then you say I can’t question your motives? And, do you really want me to dig up things you have said, that show exactly how you feel, just to show you how two-faced you’ve been? Saying I don’t know you might be correct — but, I can show you your own words. You make my own points for me, and I guess I should thank you for that.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Dell — I thank you for the kind words. We are not alone!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
POST415 YES,ONE NATION !!! not 2 ,stay together!!You all are pissed off,dont go to the games,buy RAIDER gear,etc
September 11th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
TRUE raider fans want al davis gone. HE IS NOT BIGGER THAN THE RAIDERS! the raiders will go on long after he’s gone, and quite frankly i can’t wait for those post-al, AD years.
this is the ONLY place i run into anyone who believes davis can still hack as an owner.
i’m so sick of the notion if you critique big al, you’re not a true fan. i guess i’d rather be an “unloyal fan” than a lap dog.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
One more thing, Chaos — You say you wish the players would start speaking out? Don’t worry, if our coaches don’t stop this immature BS in public (or in the locker-room, there will be plenty of that happening. And that would really be the end of our hopes this year.
Just wishing such a thing leads me to question your support of this team. Just my (sometimes) humble opinion, of course.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I’m a huge Al fan. Will always be. Will never say he should give up the reins until he decides to. Until a judge shows he’s lost ALL of his marbles, not just because he’s made a lot of bad moves. The guy’s only human, and he has a right to do with HIS team whatever he wants. Even when I disagree with much of what he’s done lately, and in many years past.
RGLC — I don’t think Al’s critics are all non-fans. He deserves plenty of the criticism. Some of my best friends are Al-haters!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I’m sure you guys already know, but Grant Nappear on 1140 in Sacramento talked about the nation collective. I thought you guys were screwing around. It’s real. Best of luck. Can people in Sacramento buy in? If the NFL could get it done, it might happen. Get some kangaroo court to side with them. Getting Al out of the picture has to happen. That way, we’re not stuck with Amy Trask after he passes on, who’ll likely run the team the same way he did. To all of you Al sympathizers, give me a break. This isn’t even as bad as what Al did to Wayne Valley. Perfect karma.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
It doesn’t matter. This organization is a joke and 31 other teams are rolling on the floor laughing.
If we beat pathetic KC people on here will be back to talk of a playoff berth. Yeah, until M Lynch and LT take turns shredding Ryan’s D.
Week 1 came and went and we brought in no vets so we have Henderson at LT and gimpy Walker will make another cool 500k to watch from the sidelines.
Pathetic.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
hayesdayes37…
great name by the way. met mr hayes at a charity bball game a few years back; great man…and STILL an impresive athlete.
anywho, i don’t blame you for supporting al. it’s hard to imagine a world where al davis IS NOT running the raiders. the reason?? no one has ever seen it. there no basis for comparison. us young raider fans (i’m assuming you’re older than 25..my apologies if you’re not) don’t know what true raider-dominance looks like. we got a taste when gruden and gannon were there, but that’s about it.
i’ve always been of the notion that “any change is for the better.” i respect al davis for everything he has done, but it is painfully obvious he is no longer an effective owner/GM/coach/whatever. players get washed up all the time, same is true for al.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Yeah, MR — We heard. When the obvious happens, and the NFL can’t take over the team, what will the point have been?
To show that a lot of people are pi$$ed that the team can’t seem to win? Duh, that’s pretty obvious. Besides that, I can’t see a logical point.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
MRS, who cares about Nappear,hes a want to be somebody,get REAL!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Ryan’s a mans man…………period. Kiffin gives me the feeling he likes being liked.
He wants the fans and the media on his side so he continually throws his Boss and others under the busto get the populace on his side and yu guy’s all fall for it because you hate Ryan and Davis.
Most of you don’t even realise that Jerry in this particular blg was actually ripping Kiffin. Most of the writers that cover this team are old school types and find what Ryan did as refreshing.
Kiffin continually rips players coaches and his employer in the media. Something an old school sports writer will find very distasteful. He’s frequently displayed an “above it all” disposition. Something they will see as arrogant.
Wether this kid realizes it or not he is gradually turning the media against him. If he keeps it up they will turn on him, just you wait and see.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Hayes, it won’t happen but not for the reasons you think. The NFL owners love Al Davis because he’s such an easy mark. They don’t want to get rid of an owner who’ll take their washed up veterans for 2 to 3 bucks on the dollar. If Al Davis wasn’t such an easy mark, we’d be a better team and there’d be nothing to complain about. So, it’s not like the NFL would decline to go through with it because the team rightfully belongs to Al Davis, or because they’re afraid of big bad Al. It’s because Al Davis compliments their egos. He’s a lonesome loser. He makes everyone else look succesful by default. Therefore, the NFL’s owners would never allow the league to let the fans buy him out.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Wether Raider fans believe it or not. Mr Davis not running the Raiders doesn’t gaurantee winning. They’re so naive that they think they have some right of passage.
Oh great Dav is is gone now we can start winning SB’s, hw stupid they really are. They should really be careful what they as for. This organizatin could easily turn into the Detroit Lions or the Arizona Cardinals.
They are just sooo sure that the pos Davis era is going to be so sweet, a bunch of blind idiots IMO.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
RGLC — I go head-to-head with the anti-Al crowd all the time…we just disagree, that’s all. No biggie in the scheme of things. I’ll stick with Al, and live with the results, no matter what — until he really shows he’s completely lost it, which he has not. Bad moves? Yeah. Completely lost it? Hardly.
Thanks for the kudos on the name — The Judge was the man, and should have been in the Hall Of Fame long ago. It’s a shame the younger generation never got to see the man in action. At least the sometimes-credible Top-10 list has Hayes and Haynes at #1. That’s something that will probably never change.
The great Raider Lester Hayes had a couple of rough years after his retirement, but he’s always been a class act. Proud to show my respect for him.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Sorry, but I had to re-post:
# GuamanianRaider Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Raider fans,
This loss hurt. I wanted to see better half-time adjustments and it killed me again to see that our best player remains our punter (although Branch brings some curious teams skills). Shane is great, really great, but his position has more of a ripple effect on the game’s outcome, and is not the rock that breaks that plane for a touchdown. For too long on defense we’ve been soft in the middle (and I don’t mean Ryan’s middle). Right up the gut we’ve been vulnerable: running backs, tight ends, wideouts kill us there. What was the play against Baltimore that killed us in the Championship game? (Bronco connection.) I hated them celebrating on our field. Funny, but as I got on to BART I thought of that game, and how the day started with delayed trains and all. On Monday everything went just the opposite and everything was smooth. Everything… the tailgate, hooking up with friends, giving hell to a Bronco’s fan three times during the tailgate until the first drive for each team. Everyone knows the rest.
I don’t get this cancer metaphor that we imagine our team by, and the curative treatment sought is to cut out the cancerous cells on our team. Fire Kiffin, Ryan, write Al Davis’s letter of resignation and put it on his desk. How about living the metaphor how we really live it: family. We are a Raider family. What, we blow something like crap for a Superbowl, five years, and a game and we are seeking divorce papers? How many years of putting up with crap do parents have to handle before they’re done? Most everyone, and perhaps the media has a part in this, especially these blogs, needs to take a bit of Ryan’s stance.
We fans as a collective, especially at the games, need to learn again how to root for our team. Does only five years of adversity (25 if you’re counting from Super Bowl wins) make us throw in the towel, like, gods forbid, another football team, or abandon the family? Booing in the coliseum used to be at refs and opponents. Now we boo “because I pay good money” or “I’m a consumer expressing my displeasure.” You know what? It’s just ugly. Might you boo your kid’s little league team when they’re klutzy? “They’re professionals,” you say, and it’s different. In my heart I don’t remember such behavior by fans in Oakland. How do we get that back, and get off your duff and make noise when we’re on defense, especially when things DON’T GO OUR WAY! Help be a disruptive force, and let’s not let teams take us out of what is the best homefield advantage. Stop having support only when things are going our way. Stop cheering when we are on offense. That’s the time to eat your food and sip whatever beverages you drink. Be intense, passionate, and focused. Two or three years ago I took a friend, Bear’s fan by birth, to some pre-season (exhibition) game. The crowd (and I can only imagine that the season-ticket holders gave away their seats because Oakland fans…) started the wave through the stands. It started behind the Raider bench (BEHIND THE RAIDERS BENCH!) and move passed us in 110. My friend stood up as it rolled and I just sat there. He questioned my lack of participation, more puzzled really. The wave gathered momentum and was coming around once more. I stood up and yelled to stop the wave to as many people that could hear me. Quickly I gave a history of the wave. Anyone know? What I understand is that U of W Huskies started the collective wave and used it to an advantage. Seattle picked it up and it was their signature noise maker for their house. People on the second deck heard these words. People over three sections heard this story. As the wave approached it suddenly stopped, and I was proud of the fans in section 110 and around.
Now… why would I have to do that at a Raiders game? What is all this crying for everyone’s head? We FANS need to step it up too. It’s a house run by a two-year old, maybe three, when we call out for someone’s head because of my feeling hurt. (Expletive here), it’s a tough time when one of your rivals (Ditka… remember that game in 1984 at Soldier Field?) feels sorry for how long you’ve been inept. When our rivals feel hurt for our clumsiness we can only imagine how we feel, because to feel it is too much. So we cut out the cancer, give it radiation treatment by radiating hate. Sarcastic tantrums… doesn’t the way we flippantly address our opinions invite the so-called “trolls” and whatevers? When I was a kid I grew up in places that disliked the Raiders (it WAS easier in those days as we won, and I gloated, so much) and I relished a chance just to talk about the Raiders, even when the banter was shared with an opponent. Seems like these days our opponents are with each other. In the days of exhibition and those leading up to it this year I imagined our cannibalistic criticisms due to missing the live action, games off the 16-game schedule. We did lose big. The hurt of this game echoes all the pain since that AFC Championship celebration. (We needed the two weeks between games that we didn’t get that year.)
I don’t think I’m better than any of you other Raider fans. I’m just another crazy and intense Raider fan in this big family. When we talk about our team we speak in terms of “we”. We can fight, argue, spit venom and slam doors, if you will, and still know that “It’s all about the love.”
We just had a big loss. A blowout, really gnarly blowout by misdirection, trickery, and counter plays. We f’ed up and made us look like we took it laying down. We were dinked by the Rat. He schemed us to look like fools. We plainly need to stop this nonsense. We never got the chance to turn it around on Marty; I really want to flip it on Mike before he leaves. Come on now… we have Kansas City coming up, Buffalo, and then we come home.
Man (or Woman) up, nation. Clean up our own behaviors so we can get down and dirty!
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
I thought we would run better too (although we had a few good ones).
September 11th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
i for one dislike rob ryan and al davis for what, or should i say, what they HAVEN’T done. i counld’t care less how big of a man ryan is,who cares, HE”S AWFUL AT HIS JOB. PERIOD. we’ve been listing to this blow-hard, company man for 5 long years. it’s nauseating, not manly.
i don’t necessarily agree with what kiffin’s doing(airing his laundry through the media) but at least he’s not a puppet. it’s refreshing to see someone stand up to al.
but ryan is a TRUE raider. he looks good off the bus.
ridiculous.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
MR — Actually, Al paying old vets 2-to-3 bucks on the dollar is a reason why the other owners would want him gone…he drives up the price for the average player. So, that’s not a good argument. Next?
September 11th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Guam Man — That was a good read, both times. Keep the faith.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Considering Rob Ryan had a conference at the end of the season and at the beginning of the season, I would say that Kiffin said to Al, “If you are going to take power away from me regarding the defense, then he can do his own conference calls regarding it so that I don’t have to answer these ridiculous questions when I can’t answer them honestly.”
September 11th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
lane kiffin sucks..what kind of coach would sabotage a team just so he can come out right?? obviously, lane kiffin is fukkin our team over by callin the plays he is..he would be happy if our team failed so that he can say i told you so..kiffin aint even that good..back at USC..he was third on the pecking order..word is no one liked the guy..and now i can see why..
at least rob ryan got guts and wont blame other people..lane kiffin is never at fault..what a load of crap!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
post 435,Thanks for the insight ,You actually got me FIRED UP for KC! Been some bickering around here,I hope we see Mike Bush in action,and the defense step up!Talk With you after the game,RAIDERS!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Good post my man but al we have nowadays for fans are a bunch of whinning crybabies. Wh think they have the right to go to the playoffs and win SB’s.
They think if they can’t have that then people should DIE, that’s how sick some these weakass punks are. This society has fallen so low I wouldn’t even compare them to pigs. Pigs have more dignity.
5 measily years of losing and they want blood. Try being the Cardinals fans who haven’t won a thing in 50 years the Lions haven’t won in 60 years. The Chargers have NEVER won anything. It’s been 45years since the NY Jets have won anything, the KC Cheifs have great fans and when was the last time the went to the SB 1968.
These are just a bunch of whinning and crying babies and it’s very hard for me to say ther’re real Raider fans, they’re more like cowards.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
BHP,POST442,AMEN,RAIDERS!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Hostile Takeovers happen all the time. The reality is DAVIS CAN BE REMOVED.
The NFL forced Eddie DeBartalow out of SF for misconduct.
MLB banned Marge Schott from managing the Reds.
The NFL is a collective entity bound by anti-trust laws and with rules in place to remove owners from manging positions.
It’s an interesting idea. Of course, waving “Fire Al” signs at the games and otherwise letting Alknow that HE is destroying his legacy may provide incentive enough to cause change.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Blackholepriest Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
“….a bunch of blind idiots IMO.”
says the pot to the kettle.
we’re not going to start magically winning games the day davis dies. at least some of the dysfunction, and hierarchy BS will die with him. coaches won’t have to look over their shoulder and will actually, gasp, be able to coach. players will be held accountable by, gasp, their coaches(not the owner). we won’t have to overpay for washed up free agents. we’ll draft “football” players, rather than track stars or kickers. and, finally, we might restore a positve, respectable image rather than one of choas and instability.
my friend, perception IS reality; fair or not. this franchis IS the detroit lions. we ARE the cardinals. we ARE dysfunctionl. al davis IS the owner.
at the very least, if al goes, so will rob ryan.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Before it gets too steamy in here again, I’m gonna bail. Been on here all night, and even I’m running out of things to say.
Take care all, and once again remember this:
New England beat the Raiders 48-17 in a massacre one year, and the Raiders went on to win the Super Bowl that ‘76 season.
Can’t win the Big One until you start by winning one. One play, then one series, then one game at a time. Match-ups are everything, and the Raiders match-up against the Chiefs very well this week.
Raider On — and good night!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:03 am
So to clarify BHP, we shouldn’t have a problem with losing?
September 12th, 2008 at 12:05 am
1. I am 24 so I don’t care if the Chargers have never won a Super Bowl… I’ve never celebrated one either. While I RESPECT THE RAIDERS OF THE PAST, I expect to win one in my lifetime. Even thought Charger trolls are obnoxious, at least they have a team that can compete.
2. I hope I am dead wrong. I hope we laid an egg. I hope that we don’t suck. I hope we come back 3 months later and beat Denver at home. And I want to see it this week. The D will show this week because KC is not Denver and Herm Edwards is from around here, so he’s inherintly dumb (for all of you Tom Brady haters.)
3. If we lose this week, Robster is our coach… just picture if you never held your children accountable for when they got in trouble or banged the teacher (okay, maybe just my kid)….. GO RAIDERS
September 12th, 2008 at 12:07 am
BTW I gained a tn of respect for Ryan today. He took care of his troops he stood up and fell on his sword. To protect them. That’s what a man does. When my kids get out of line and cause something bad to happen or are under attack I stand in front of them even when I know they are wrong. Then when we get home I correct them. And that’s what Ryan did but you can rest assure that he roasted their ass in the meetings and that’s how you lead a team.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:08 am
OK — Now I can’t go…
COW — Yes, Fast Eddie was removed by the league (and courts), but that’s because he was involved in illegal activities. Even the most ardent of Al’s haters can’t lay that on him.
To remove Al would take much more than a relative few (even thousands of) unhappy fans voicing their opinions. Remember Georgia Frontieri?
September 12th, 2008 at 12:09 am
HayesDaze,
One of my favorites: “So be it.” The Jedi Knight who wipes dust off the eyebrows of Vance Johnson (a former Bronco). Cool you read it twice, bro. I want to focus on the Chiefs now. Hell, it’s almost Friday and I expect the team to have already done most of its game-plan practices by now. This week’s cuisine? Something with ketchup and mustard, of course.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 12th, 2008 at 12:09 am
BlackHole in the Brain Preist, you need to go to RFN, where they don’t allow people to bash Davis, because everyone thinks if they kiss his a@@ Davis will give them something. Let me tell you Hole in the Brain Davis cares about no one but his self. Davis doesn’t care about the fans or winning, he cares about himself and winning HIS way and only his way. If someone comes in as a GM and he wins, Davis cannot take it, because just like you are hole in the Brain expert Davis thinks he is the only one who can win like he did 25 yrs ago. It took Art Rooney 50 years to understand the notion that Coaches coach, and owners sit in the box and complain. Owners dont coach, shouldn’t coach, and instead should be interested in doing whatever the COACH thinks is best for the team, in order for the team to win. EVERYONE Davis, and his Brain Dead DC should be on the same page as the person AD hired to be the HC.
If your so on Davis’s balls and so against Kiffin go to RFN, where you can be with like fans who think they will somehow somewhere get acknowledged by Al Davis who gives a rats ass about you and your JR PEE WEE LEVEL football knowledge. You do coach JUR PEE WEES right Brain hole.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:09 am
I’ve said this B4, I wonder what the veteran coaches really think about Kiffin in private.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Post 449,
Was probably the funniest post I have read online today. RESPECT< RESPECT for a guy who in 5 years has done nothing, for a guy who cannot even speak a sentence without profanity. Respect for a guy who cannot even be his own man. Wow you must be league president too.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:13 am
I guess im the only one that noticed lane kiffin say ” we had a normal practice 85 % for a weds since were so fukd,awww so soon for the game” ..on the raider website behind the shield
September 12th, 2008 at 12:14 am
next time i fly, i hope the pilot is A MAN!! hope he’s manly. i don’t care if he knows what he’s doing. don’t care. i just want a tough guy flying that plane.
yeah, i’ll bet ryan let them have it in film. he’s been doing that for five years now. HE ALWAYS GETS RESULTS!!!
i lost respect for ryan today. he sounded like a defensive(how ironic) meathead. sounds like 5 years of sucking is finally catching up to him.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Who’s talking about Mr Davis you moron? Al has nothing to do with anything I’ve said,
But I’ll take him over Kiffin in a NY second. Ryan too for that matter. I don’t likepeple who also assign blame everywhere but at themselves and roast his own players in public.
My preferance, and you can have yours. OK pumpkin!!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:15 am
First off, I may not agree with Al, but I will never bash him, but……..
all of you guys posting are old and got to get drunk and celebrate a Raider super bowl…..
I am smart enough to know (through playing D1 football) that the Raiders stood no chance in the super bowl (you can’t beat your maker)… i would have them rather lost to the titans than make that game due to the sheer emabarrasment…. nobody remembers the championship game unless ur a fan of the team that loses (51-3….. i just threw up)…
You old timers….. you’ve seen the glory days and have more patience than me…. I’ve seen the glory days on tapes… I want it IN LIVING COLOR
September 12th, 2008 at 12:15 am
First off, I may not agree with Al, but I will never bash him, but……..
all of you guys posting are old and got to get drunk and celebrate a Raider super bowl…..
I am smart enough to know (through playing D1 football) that the Raiders stood no chance in the super bowl (you can’t beat your maker)… i would have them rather lost to the titans than make that game due to the sheer emabarrasment…. nobody remembers the championship game unless ur a fan of the team that loses (51-3….. i just threw up)…
You old timers….. you’ve seen the glory days and have more patience than me…. I’ve seen the glory days on tapes… I want it IN LIVING COLOR
September 12th, 2008 at 12:15 am
At least when he does get fired he wont blame the food.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Ive said it before I wonder what the veteran coaches really think about Al Davis in private. Coaches like Mike Shanahan, John Fox, Jon Gruden…Etc, and I wonder why NO VETERAN COACH wants to coach for DAVIS. I WONDER WHY DAVIS had to hire a 32 yr old head coach, after firing a coach who had been out of the league for 15 yrs. Brain Hole you don’t get it and never will
NO ONE WITH ANY CREDIBILITY wants to be head coach of the RAIDERS, no one. Not Parcells, not Johnson, not SAunders, not Martz, NOT ANYONE…………NO ONE WANTS TO BE THE RAIDER HEAD COACH. Tell me Brain hole dead…name me what coaches have been beating down the door to coach the Raiders?
September 12th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Hayes I didn’t say it would be easy or is likely to happen. Just pointing out that the, “Al owns it so it can’t be taken away,” argyement isn’t true.
To be fair, current NFL rules prohibit ownership by more than 32 owners. GB was grandathered in.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Does anybody want to talk about Mario’s motivation for playing well is so that people don’t yell and scream at him???
September 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Now we have a mind reader coward. He knws what everyone will do. Even though he’s never met any of them.
Sissy ass fans!!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
KEEP KIFFIN FIRE AL official page http://www.myspace.com/keepkiffinfireal
September 12th, 2008 at 12:22 am
ESRF — You sound just like my kid, and I say that with all sincerity.
I’m not sure who hurts more — those of us who saw the (many, many) glory days and have since lost that amazing week-in, week-out feeling, or you guys who’ve never had the chance to.
What I do know is that if you stick around long enough, it’ll come back around. With or without Al (hopefully with!), it will come back around.
Hang in there, and it will be more than worth it when it happens.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Hayes these suckers don’t deserve it. Let ‘em root for another team. Thjey’re just fans of an idea, don’t have a clue what being a real Raider fan is about.
I can’t have what I want, when I want it then I quit! a bunch of bitches
September 12th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Enough Stupid Raider Fans Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Does anybody want to talk about Mario’s motivation for playing well is so that people don’t yell and scream at him???
sound like mario has some daddy issues. this is a classic davis pick. i’m so sick of guys with “raw” talent. this kid, if i’m not mistaken, didn’t even play high school football. i know it’s happened before, but we’re talking about a trench player. someone playing with the big boy should live and breathe football.it’s not for someone who played intermural ball.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:27 am
COW — I dig it. My point was only that there would need to be a legitimate and legal basis for the league seizing control of a franchise. Being pissed-off at the owner just ain’t enough, as our self-professed collective will soon find out.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Mr 37
I can feel your kid… We love the silver and black… and I was old enough to go around here in NY (school) and talk trash during the Gannon days….. and I LOVED the Gannon days… but it didn’t end up in a BOWL….. and it doesn’t help that i have to live with these punk NYG fans (even though i was rooting for them)… but I still love my home of the bay and all players from here (including brady)
September 12th, 2008 at 12:30 am
#466
You ever hear BDBHP on the radio, talk about funny. Knbr puts him on so 49er fans and real Raider fans can laugh at his stupidity. Atkinson puts him after games so that it will bring a different out of touch point of view. Hell who knows BDBHP probably coached George back in the pee wee lots in his younger days. AT least BDBHP doesn’t speak with something in his mouth like good ole George does.
BTW BCBHP, Mike Taylor says your doing a good job, now go away.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:33 am
To BlackHolePriest,
So, because I’ve never seen a Raider championship means I should not root for the Raiders??? You, my friend, are a sorry story.
I want them to win, at this point I don’t even want a bowl; just consistency (10-6, 11-5), more than you would could ever picture.
You obviously are just blind to the fact that some of us want to win so badly and haven’t lived it. If I was old like you and saw all 3 of the rings hangin on Al’s wall (as he had so proudly displayed monday night), then I might have some patience.
But in the words of Juve the Great….. UP UNTIL THEN???
September 12th, 2008 at 12:33 am
You seem to know whenever I’m on and you listen, yu must be a closet fan, huh sissy!!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Nice Vader, I guess you are the guy that BHP, I mean Bob made take his icon off his site. What a joke Bob thinks that Davis is gonna hire him, or more likely Bob thinks his “insider (actually google or AP) will tell AD, and AD will get mad and not let Bob spend all the money (he’s ripping off from people to attend games with) and then let him not stand on the sidelines. OMG what would happen then.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
ESRF — Keep the faith, you’ll eventually be rewarded for it. Hopefully before you get much older!
BHP — Don’t blow a gasket, dude. Guys (y)our age need to be take it easy this late at night!
And speaking of taking it…no offense, but I’ve got somebody a little more enjoyable to go, umm, hook-up with.
Until later,
Raider On
and
So Be It
September 12th, 2008 at 12:37 am
The term “sissy” went out about the last time Al Davis drafted a pro bowl player, or the last time we actually won a superbowl…tough guy. How stupid.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:37 am
you’re right blackholepriest, i will go root for another team: the al-davis-less oakland raiders.
say it loud and proud: THE OAKLAND RAIDERS ARE BIGGER THAN AL DAVIS!!!
like i said, the raiders will be around a lot longer than davis.
i’m a true raider fan. i don’t do what i’m told. i don’t eat what al is serving. i’m a rebel, not a tool. true raiders go AGAINST the grain…remember?? so who’s the real coward??
the cliff is getting closer for all you lemming davis supporters
September 12th, 2008 at 12:38 am
To Mr Black Hole Priest,
If In&Out (may be too classy for you) started serving dog meat instead of fresh beef, would you say “I’m not eat that” or, per 467 “I can’t have what I want, when I want it then I quit! a bunch of bitches”
I’m sick of eating dog meat
September 12th, 2008 at 12:38 am
ESRF,
I get that IN LIVING COLOR thing, and I want it too. I have extremely long hair now because we have not won three games in a row. It’s hella uncomfortable, and hot. For me? It’s about the love, the only madness that can feel so good, and bring about such suffering…. When we get three then the hair goes to Locks of Love, cancer kids without hair, and they get hair that was fashioned so long all because of the love. You younger fans need this as much as us old(er) timers do. Even at 24 to 0 I could recall a game against Denver (when the rat coached for us) wherein we came back in that mile-high atmosphere to win 30-27. (Steve Smith, bless him, had mirror plays to really get us going.) The point is, quite simply, even then I experienced the adversity of “being down” as an opportunity to rise above, excel from the depths to capture the glory victory (Nike, in Rome
What I was talking about with the fans is really how quickly we “give up” and boo during half-time. I remember games when we would be thrashed for three and a half quarters, and everyone on the team, in the stands, in front of the television, and in earshot of the radio (aaahhhh… Bill King… and no slight to Papa) all expected to “find a way to win.” That’s “Just win, baby” in a nutshell.
My question to us as we… explore our values here is do we have it in us to not know the outcome of something before it happens. The “oh-no, here we go again” feeling is connected to a thought (you can pick one of many represented here each day), and perhaps its just the trauma of the collapse of our beloved team since the Super Bowl. Kiffin is right in this sense: we cannot let past losses continue to let us fumble our way into more mayhem.
I want that in living color thing too. When we get it you can go ahead and play the Fire Marshall.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 12th, 2008 at 12:39 am
RaiderFanNY…post 87:
If Damon Haurd told Rich Gannon what you claim, and no doubt it’s true, that is really off the charts, that is beyond scary. Rob Ryan just doesn’t get it. He could talk his trash if this was his second year, maybe, but not after (5) freaking years. He just doesn’t get it. Al Davis has to be more dysfunctional than Ryan because he has tolerated this garbage for (5) years, and missed his opportunity to end the matter when Kiffin asked that Ryan be fired or replaced. Davis has to be totally senile and he obviously doesn’t listen to anyone. I can’t imagine his son, or Jim Otto, or others close to him…NOT TELLING
Davis that Ryan is a virus and has to be removed. But, apparently Davis doesn’t listen to anyone. Outrageous.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Kid you don’t have a clue. Your a wannabe.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Wannabe??? If I’m a wannabe, that means I’m not a fan that is blind to the oblivious
You are right though…. I have know clue… no clue about what a super bowl tastes like… no clue what it’s like to wear a super bowl champion t-shirt… there, mr priest… you are correct sir
September 12th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Finally before I go to bed, Mr. Priesthole,
I want it more than you. You’ve seen the glory and will settle for mediocrity. I haven’t and I want the best. As in the words of every great American enterprise… OUT WITH THE OLD, IN WITH THE NEW….. THE HUNGRY…. THE NON-CONTENT…. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:50 am
recognize, who you are and then you might have a chance to change. So what!! you didn’t see a SB you didn’t live it. Life’s tough, suck it up!
I didn’t see a lot of things I wish I had seen, but I don’t whine and cry like a bitch.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:51 am
wannabe what??
what you are??? blind?? obidient?? gulable??
is that what a TRUE fan is?? just curious??
September 12th, 2008 at 12:53 am
whoops,
“obedient”
September 12th, 2008 at 12:53 am
If I told you, you still wouldn’t know. True fans don’t have to ask that question.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:55 am
I’m bored, Adios
September 12th, 2008 at 12:56 am
BHP and hayesdaze37 ,Raider ON,nation! ps enjoy BHP on knbr, before that ,ticket 1050
September 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Kenny King…post 121:
Very good post, great analysis and very insightful.
However, I don’t agree with your last point, that Ryan will become the next head coach. At first, it may seem as the most logical continuation. However, when you think about it, maybe not.
1.) Ryan must know in his heart of hearts that he would fail even more so as Head Coach and that he would no longer have Al’s protection. No head coach has had it since Flores (I’m not saying Flores had it, he performed. Two Super Bowl wins).
2.) If the new Defensive Coordinator did a better job than Ryan did, that would reflect badly on Ryan. And, anyone, even a pop warner coach would do better than Ryan has done in the past five years.
3.) The NFL would step in and have Al Davis committed. In fact, Dakota, has already written up the Committment Order, it merely has to be signed.
September 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am
i guess i’ll never get it.
i’ll chalk that up as a good thing.
btw, i’ll be watching this weekend, and yes, i’ll be rooting for the team in black(or white, i guess). and, yes, i still hope ryan’s hopeless schemes match up well with a terrible KC team. even though he clearly sucks at his job, i’ll still cheer his “students” and the jersey they’re wearing. i just hope i “get it” long enough to know what it feels like to be a real fan this sunday.
just curious, BHP, do you play fantasy football??
September 12th, 2008 at 1:08 am
rrf,the NFL is laughing at YOU,and others crying about a loss!MORONS,what other nfl owner spent more money than AL DAVIS? Answer the question,ah,ah,ah ah Sick of u whiners
September 12th, 2008 at 1:11 am
RGLC,
I don’t play fantasy football. I would lose… terribly. The problem is that I would only choose Raider players, and drafting Shane with the number one pick just is not sound fantasy football. I win with the Raiders and lose with the Raiders. “Football’s winningest team” doesn’t sound right as we are within the last five years “football’s losingest team.” Of course, not that you asked me, but I don’t play fantasy football, sometimes football pools though.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 12th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Mr. McDonald
Terribly sorry sir, but I believe you, and the rest of the media, have misread Lane Kiffin’s latest uncharacteristic (but wholly refreshing) reveal into the “highly classified world of the Oakland Raiders”.
“Kiffin’s notion…regarding the involvement of Al Davis in the weekly schemes” was little more than a brief explanation of who is directly responsible for the defense, it had nothing to say about the intrinsic manner of that involvement, or the potential for weekly meetings on the subject. There was only one unique reference, not several “references to Davis’ defensive involvement”, which would need any refutation from Ryan, who was responding (as he said) to certain stories he had read which interpreted Kiffins words, rather than what he had heard straight from KiffinKiffin’s.
I appreciate your contribution to the fans in terms of getting across key interviews and bits of information that help us to piece the story neatly together, but I fear in this case certainly and perhaps in others, your analysis has fallen short of accuracy perhaps for the sake of journalistic sensation.
All the best,
Hanuma, England.
September 12th, 2008 at 1:29 am
post 494,WOW,Right on the money!! post 493,YES,YES, the RAIDERS have been down for five years now,perhaps things will change This Year,keep youre fingers crossed,and knock on wood,RAIDERS!! ps,RAIDER ON!
September 12th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Hanuma,
Well said, mate. I like that idea of hearing straight from Kiffin’s Kiffin! May the players and coaches do right by their designs and change the focus of these blogs and newspeak on Raider football.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 12th, 2008 at 2:11 am
Hayes, stop being an idiot. Al Davis overpaying washed up players does not jack up the price of anything. I challenge you to give me one example of a lousy player that a team had to pay more than what they planned to pay for because Davis brought up his value. They just let it go and let the Raiders have them, because these players suck, anway. If the player is good, and truly coveted (something none of our free agent acqusitions were) he goes to the highest bidder regardless. Every bidder jacks up the price. The only reason the league hasn’t gotten rid of Davis yet, and, they could at any time, is because they LOVE him. His stupidity compliments their egos. He makes even the most medicore owners look succesful, anymore. Taglibue and Goodell are not Pete Rozelle. Al was a winner when Rozelle was commissioner. That’s all that made him relevant. Rozelle hated Al becaues he was a winner and a threat. Tablibue and Goodell love Al for the opposite reason. They represent a league of owners who love their village idiot, Al Davis. He makes them all look like geniuses.
September 12th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Finally saw the tape of the game (arrived in the mail today). The game as described in many of the posts does not match up with the one I just saw. Kiffin said it was a bunch of guys too keyed up and trying too hard, and with regards to our offense I would tend to agree. Some of those personal foul calls were a little ticky-tack if you ask me, but the refs aren’t asking me. Early on, every chance Denver had to make a play, they did, and the reverse was true for us. And we were jacked up like it was a championship game, and it snowballed out of control when it didn’t go well.
Hall underestimated Royal. The whole team did. Obviously. Morrison got scorched for a 72-yd catch. Huff whiffed and gave ‘em an easy TD. Other than that, the tackling was OK, but the secondary was not together, pass rush or not. WE ARE NOT A BLITZING TEAM, we don’t have the people for it, we’re no good at it, and if the defensive backs don’t work together better what the hell difference does the scheme make?
Russell had early jitters, which were passed along to the entire offense, but he warmed up as he went along. You can say I’m too optimistic, but I think he’s going to be terrific, and his progress is worth watching, every chance I get. McFadden and Fargas, good stuff too. I like Chaz #81, too. Let Higgins stick to returns. The pass blocking wasn’t as effective as Denver’s, but it wasn’t that bad, reasonable I think. We moved the ball, but then a screwup here, a slight overthrow there, Curry mishandling a high throw, etc. Killed drives, wasted opportunities. There were two deep balls that just missed. You all saw it too. But I think Russell’s going to get us there, WHEN he fixes that tendency to fumble. No injuries, please.
Looking forward to next week, there will be stuff to see. We’re not good yet, but it’ll turn. Good night.
September 12th, 2008 at 3:10 am
BHP..why do you support the reign of Al Davis no matter what he does and how ever much we lose?
September 12th, 2008 at 3:54 am
the Nation collective is growing like gremlins. I am not sure when all of this started, but give em hell.
That being said: it is still kind of early to hit the Panic button. Lane Kiffin, Rob Ryan, Paul Hackett, don Martindale, Greg Knapp, Tom Rathman, Tom Cable, and Keith Millard are good coaches. The Raiders have a good running game, and Jamarcus is the real deal. The receiver core is upgraded over last year. The defense just got embarrassed; however, there is some talent over there.
al has been upgrading the roster when a player is available: the Offensive tackle from the Cowboys was a nice move, and Ashley Lelie help to shore up the receiving core a bit: I am not an Ashley Lelie fan, but I have seen him produce, and I beleive he is way more capable than Drew Carter of helping this team even if Carter was healthy.
Luke Petigout still might be in play in a few weeks, and I have to say that Johnson from the colts might be a still although that will bring more un wanted bad press to the Raiders.
The Raiders seem to be more active than ever before in shoring up the back end of the roster: which is a direct result from Lane’s lobbying in the media…Lane is getting things done and the Al davis is receptive to his Head Coach.
Jamarcus is improving every time I see him play: thus, Lane is doing his job. I don’t think Lane is going anywhere as long as Jamarcus continues to develop. Lane is in charge of developing Al’s most valuable asset. Al just saw the 49ers destroy a young Qb’s career, and I really doubt he will be quick to subject his QB to that sort of turnover.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:35 am
[...] Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
September 12th, 2008 at 5:05 am
Things I learned from reading this blog.
“I am personally tired of the dumb comments that I recieve from coworkers, and even people in the stores when I wear my Howie or Lester Hayes jersey proudly.”
A female wrote this, right?
September 12th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Shawnraiders81 Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
If we can’t beat the chiefs then I will freak out, at least the donks have some talent.
chiefs traded theres to the vikings, maybe Jim Rome should have talked about the brilliant GM moves with the chiefs flat out losers.
Shawn-I can’t believe you said donks after the way the “BRONCOS” humiliated you in front of a national television audience. That’s the problem with you looooozers, you go around dissing all the teams that look down on u in the NFL West standings. I(t’s your karma dis the teams that beat you and stay in the cellar for doing it.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:10 am
Shawnraiders81 Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
From my memory we went into KC last year and beat the chiefs thats what I remember…..
That’s what all you looooozers were saying about the “BRONCOS” and see how your smack talk and dissing came back to bite you in the “ROYAL” arse.
September 12th, 2008 at 6:03 am
I wasat the game Monday. I was embarrassed to be a raider fan.
I’m not pointing fingers, but the “RAIDERS” are Al Davis’ baby.
In my eyes he is the blame. Why isn’t he talking instead of letting Heckle and Jeckle talk nonsense.
The only way this will change is if the NATION quits!
Quit buying tickets, clothing, memoribilia, Everything that hits his pocket book. Only then will that old bastard open his eyes and smell the coffee.
This debacle has ruined our team for the future. WHo the hell in their right mind would want to coach and play for this so called franchise?
I’ve been a readier fan since 1976 and this is an outrage!
September 12th, 2008 at 6:04 am
HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Thec — You say you belong to a movement that speaks for all of us, and then you say I can’t question your motives? And, do you really want me to dig up things you have said, that show exactly how you feel, just to show you how two-faced you’ve been? Saying I don’t know you might be correct — but, I can show you your own words. You make my own points for me, and I guess I should thank you for that.
Hayes,
You cant show me anything…. you are funny though I will give you that much. Like I said before you have a GOD complex. You want to control how people think or how they should think, and if you dont agree with them you bash them, thats cool. But I am not a mindless dupe, or a sheep. I dont work for the Raider org i am a fan of this team since the very early 70’s. But againd I dont have to prove myself to you or any of the other professional bloggers aroung here.
Hayes you suffer for “putting words in peoples mouth”. you probable work for the current establishment that runs the org. I will humor your little tirad….. Go look up anything I said, to prove your point. to me you are funny and weak at best.
Said it before you dont know me or have a clue about me so dont assume you do, you know what assume means right?
You want to try and discredit someone on a Blog, that is hilarious. the more i think about what you type the more I laugh at you.
Also waiting for your definition of insanity…
No you might need a little help with this one insanity
is having 5 losing seasons in a row and not fixing the problem. The problem doesnt sart with the players it starts with the organization and filters down from there.
September 12th, 2008 at 6:16 am
Jerry,
There is a correction that needs to be made in your article(s) when you talk about blitzing. Blitzing is not to create sacks. You blitz to create pressure, and force the QB to make a throw earlier than he wants.
The reason the other team goes 9 for 12 against the Raiders is because the safety (or safeties, if one is not blitzing) is playing too deep (Stu Schweigert). If the Linebacker blitzes, the safety is suppose to step up and cover that gap. Stu never did that.
When you blitz, it’s all about the coverage behind the blitz. We have better players to better cover when we blitz; and we should blitz (not every down), but like Ryan said in his press, they should be well planned and designed blitzes; to help the Front 4 pressure the QB, force a throw he doesn’t want to make, and create turnovers. A sack during a blitz is a cherry on top of a Sundae.
Another point, “In contrast to Kiffin, Ryan absolutely will not roast one of his own players in public. He may be all over them in the meeting room or on the practice field, but when it comes to addressing the media, he steps up and takes the blame.” This is another reason why Kiffin is not NFL Coaching material. He is quick, as a Head Coach, to throw anyone and everyone under the bus, except himself. Maybe that is why he and Rob don’t see eye-to-eye, and don’t get along. I’ve said it before, the Head Coach is to rally the troops, and build confidence in the team even when things are bad. This is something Kiffin has never done since he’s been here, and something Ryan continually does. Which is why I think after this next week, Rob Ryan will be the Head Coach, not Lane Kiffin.
September 12th, 2008 at 6:25 am
zazzle.com/raidervader
anybody here bought anything from them? what are the shipping costs to Minnesota?
September 12th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Nate Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 6:16 am
edited…
Another point, “In contrast to Kiffin, Ryan absolutely will not roast one of his own players in public. He may be all over them in the meeting room or on the practice field, but when it comes to addressing the media, he steps up and takes the blame.” This is another reason why Kiffin is not NFL Coaching material. He is quick, as a Head Coach, to throw anyone and everyone under the bus, except himself. Maybe that is why he and Rob don’t see eye-to-eye, and don’t get along. I’ve said it before, the Head Coach is to rally the troops, and build confidence in the team even when things are bad. This is something Kiffin has never done since he’s been here, and something Ryan continually does. Which is why I think after this next week, Rob Ryan will be the Head Coach, not Lane Kiffin.
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i thoroughly agree with this…
it’s about leadership…
and it’s hard to follow someone you can’t trust…
kiffie is clearly not a leader… he’s a supervisor… and not a very good one…
ryan, for all of his faults, is a leader… and that means a great deal to me…
kiffie has shown me very little since he’s been here… except a great deal of disrespect for other coaches and the players…
kiffie can go piss up a rope…
remember callahan… same-ol’ same-ol’…
September 12th, 2008 at 7:24 am
Yeah Andrew….sure thing buddy…..
September 12th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Personal attacks will get you nothing….I learned that from our boy Mr. Hayes last night……..but if I am a woman for speaking my mind….then I want to know where my p*ssy is so I can pleasure myself…….
September 12th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Ryan neglected to mention why the defense has been terrible since he arrived. It wasn’t just the Denver game. Remember the opener against New England a few years back when the Raiders started in a 3-4 defense with Grant Irons and DeLawrence Grant as outside linebackers? They wasted all of training camp and the pre-season on this absurd scheme and then scrapped it at half-time of the Patriots game. The Raiders were forced to play a 4-2-5 for most of the season with Renaldo Hill the key player on the D. This couldn’t happen on any other team in the NFL…
September 12th, 2008 at 7:26 am
or maybe I can borrow yours….?
September 12th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Ryan is a great leader????? what has this D done since he has been DCO???? We are 19-62…..
September 12th, 2008 at 7:35 am
rob ryan as head coach? got a nice ring to it if you like losing.
September 12th, 2008 at 7:37 am
http://www.firerobryan.com
September 12th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Jerry, Pay attention to Dakota’s post #42…The Raider Nation badly needs you to assume your intregal part in this process, and report more like Bob Woodward than Barbera Walters….
September 12th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Thec….I have noticed you held it down bro………..glad to see it…..ready for another day of Chaos?
September 12th, 2008 at 7:41 am
I’ll get at you in a minute…..
September 12th, 2008 at 7:43 am
NC-Choas, I am ready my eyes have been open a long time ago. It is not about hating Al as i have stated i love the man PERIOD. But it is time for the org to change. I hope we dont lose against KC….. I dont want to see these young guys have to start over. JRUSS will be hurt the most if Kiffin is let go.
September 12th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Fl Pete..
I fully disagree.. Yup Kiffin is a supervisor, thats a HC’s job, not to be friend with the players, its the OC and DC’s job to rally the troops..
Kiffin called out players, Ryan didn’t.. Kiffins players played acceptable.. Ryans didn’t..
Furthermore.. Kiffin only calls out those players who can take it..
September 12th, 2008 at 7:48 am
My prayers go out to all those people in Texas…stay safe.
September 12th, 2008 at 7:49 am
it’s obvious to me that Rob Ryan is a puppet. He only addressed the media because Al Davis told him to. Davis didn’t want to take partial blame for what happened on MNF, nor did he want his high priced free agent acquisitians taking the blame. That’s why you saw Ryan up there as the fall guy. Ryan said he’s in control of the defense. Kiffin said “i control what i can control” meaning – offense, not defense (or personnel moves). Kiffin is upset, because he’s expected to win with a lame duck Defensive Coordinator, who despite his family’s accomplishments, hasn’t proved to put a good defense on the field in 5 seasons with Oakland. Kiffin wants full control and he needs that in order to put some checkmarks in the win column. Having a HC that is basically just a playcaller or offensive coordinator is a shame. waste of a position if you ask me. young or not, we’ll never know what Kiffin is capable of while he’s still under Uncle Al’s thumb. Al Davis doesn’t trust Kiffin, but he’s trusts Ryan (despite his inability to coach). That is why Ryan was retained and why we’ll probably have a whole new coaching staff next season… and a high draft pick
September 12th, 2008 at 7:49 am
hahahahaa.. the mods deleted my post about the alleged american freedom =)
su©kers..
September 12th, 2008 at 7:49 am
You guys who actually work for the org and post on these blogs are incredible…. You have had a cushy job for sometime now and dont want the apple cart upset. It would be in your best interest that our team win but you like the status quo of losin, and are in fear if the org does change you may or may not have a job.
September 12th, 2008 at 7:51 am
FL Pete..
look out, don’t wear baggy pants (though I think you are bit too old to do such thing) look out you you’ll get a fine =)
September 12th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Kiffin = Head Offensive Coordinator
Al Davis = Head Coach
September 12th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Anyone who suggests Raider fans boycott the Raiders is at the very least, a fair weather fan.
These are the same complaining b!tches who would be running thier mouths right now about the Raiders winning the Super Bowl, if the Raiders would have won on Monday night.
Raider fans support their team through thick and thin.
The rest of you are simply POSERS.
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 7:59 am
The obvious Kiffin bias is sickening as the Raider team, offense and defense both stank yet most want to blame only Ryan when the offense was unprepared, sloppy, and ultimately failed. We didn’t score until the 4th freakin quater and some of you are acting as if that’s fine. We were not the only team starting a new qb. Sure Rryan needs to go but Kiffin has been talking loud and doing nothing since he got to Oakland. They both need to go. Ryan’s defense is horrible and Kiffin’s offense is absolutely pathetic. Yet, another year of we can’t stop anyone and we can’t score on anyone. Fire them both!!
September 12th, 2008 at 8:03 am
FIRE KIFFIN, If that was directed at me ……your wrong. Look up anything i posted, never once said we should boycott anything. We should support this team and the players.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Don’t be too hard on Ryan. We were soundly thrashed in ALL phases of that game. We actually looked better last year. It looks like Nhamdi and Justin Fargas are the only decent players we have to build on. Also looks like we will have the #1 overall pick again.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:04 am
If you go to Raiders.com and go to team and down to statistics, it give the offense only, no defense. Hmmmmmmmmm. lol
September 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
havent given up hope on this team yet. I hope we can turn it around as bad as that game was its not the hole season. MY hope is that we can still go 8-8 minimum and salvage this season. Long term i would like to see the organization ran like a true NFL franchise, and not 1 person doing everything…
September 12th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Morning Raider Nation,
as usual, reading these posts, I find that many of you ascribe unbelievable energy to Al Davis. He’s both D coordinator and Head Coach? Now that is a helluva lot to do for a forty year old and considering Al is 80…
Florida Pete,
post 509, I liked it. I grew quite tired of Kid Kiff’s whining during the past months.
O-line ain’t good enough? Well, if your daughter is homely you don’t tell her that every day before she goes to school do you? WRs can’t catch a lick? Do you tell yout friends not to do something just in case they might fail? QB is raw? Putting your son on a bicycle for the first time will probably end up with barks and bruises, but not trusting him to try is not the way to go.
Dakota,
nice sentiments for Texicans.
hope some say prayers for you in a couple of months when the Arctic winds howl down out of Canada upon you.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:09 am
I am coming to the conclusion that Kiffin comments were taken out of context by the media and that Rob Ryan was being fully honest with his comments.
Briefly: Kiffin said he and Ryan spoke of the plan early in the week but never insinuated that Al Davis altered that plan or was involved with the plan. That was pieced together by us and the media. We pretty much merged his comments together and drew conclusions when in fact he may not have been saying that at all.
We all know Kiffin doesn’t believe in this defensive philosophy. So when he say Ryan has beliefs and has had communications with the owner on those beliefs he may very well have been referring to the offseason.
Go back and read Kiffin’s quote to see what I am saying.
Ryan on the other hand may be saying the same thing, but I don’t think he’s been completely honest about Davis’ involvement. Because when he was asked of Davis’ involvement he gave an open-ended reply “not on a week-to-week basis” and then proceeded to speak of time he has will be spent talking to his wife. That is a skirt around. What I got from it is that Davis is involved but probably not as much as people are assuming.
These are my assumptions and you know what they say about assuming things. So take it for whatever its worth. Still Davis should’ve let Ryan go a long time ago.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Adj. 1. collective – done by or characteristic of individuals acting together; “a joint identity”; “the collective mind”; “the corporate good”
NATION Collective, are those members of the NATION that are tired of losing and want to see the organization structure changed, and the team ran like an NFL franchise.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Well as a diehard Raider fan who is stuck here in wichita ks, I must admit that I’m not really looking forward to going to the Raiders-chiefs game this weekend as much as I’d like to be. There just arent many positives to build on for this game. But then again I thought that last year and we won, which was very sweet. But, I’ll be there in my Raider gear cheering as usual. Hopefully, arrowhead be as gloriously quiet @ the end of the game as it was last year. Go Raiders!!
September 12th, 2008 at 8:13 am
KSRaider1, you should go to the game and support our team. The cooks have a tough staduim to play in. Go to the game and give 120% support to the team. I hope we smash the cooks.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Flores said Big AL talked to him about certain things concerning the team when he was HC but allowed be and his coaches coach. Gruden said it, Norv said it, Art said it, now Ryan say’s it and some of you media droins just can’t let the myth go. Big AL does not coach the team. Notice that Kiffin said that Big AL and Ryan meet not he and Big AL. Well, the original lie being spread was that Big AL controlled the offense and wouldn’t let Kiffin coach. Well Kiffin has not said one word about Big AL calling plays. All the bone-headed, unimaginitive plays that have been called were called by Kiffin. Also, while Ryan is bad defensive coach at least he’s man enough to admit that he has made mistakes. I still want Ryan fired but this Kiffin character admits nothing and accepts no responsibility anything. Kiffin’s last press conference was an embarrassment. I know several of you here don’t agree and that’s understandble as things are changing and we just don’t have alot of strong men anymore. We have more soft, whiney supposed men in world now that accept that kind of diplay and see absolutely nothing wrong with Kiffin’s behavior. Maybe Kiffin knows a little something about footbal, maybe, but he’s definitely no leader, as not of men.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Thec,
as you are assuming the role of Nietsche’s “Ubermensch”, and donning the mantle of speaking for the Jungian collective unconscious, I for one do not need either my concious or unconcious mind spoken for by another. Thank you for your time.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Nice post big Al but the problem i have with it is that if Kiffin was allowed to coach why was he not allowed to build the coaching staff the way he wanted? Kiffin wanted ryan out. He saw that act last year up close and personal no need to see a repeat performance. Most head coaaches get to bring in the staff they want, not kiffin, why is that. you dont have to have the title of head coach to be head coach. you just need the power. Kiffin doesnt have it…
September 12th, 2008 at 8:21 am
I don’t like the fact that Mario Henderson is starting at LT. Somebody on that Chiefs D-Line is going to be AFC player of the week. Actually, I think Zach Miller will have to stay in and help block, as well as the RB on passing plays instead of trying to get open in the flat. Kwame Harris stunk in pass protection anyways, so maybe Henderson will be an equal? Hopefully he has a “super” performance. This is his shot to prove he’s not soft. With soem contact against a different team – maybe he’ll show some aggressiveness. well, scratch that. he looked bad in the preseason too. hmmm. i guess we’ll be running up the middle and to the right all day long on Sunday.
P.S. I’m sick of Kiffin’s whining too, but without a say on personnel moves and his choices at tackle are Harris, Henderson, Green & Wand? What can we hope to accomplish on offense in the passing game w/o protection? remember 2006? Tom Cable is a good coach and gets the best out of his players, but he’s no miracle worker. Only Jesus could turn a turd into a Pro Bowl tackle.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:22 am
BIG AL’S GOON,
well written.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:22 am
LOL……M I like it…..sarcastic yet satisfying…..fine we will not speak for you then….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:22 am
M, never said i spoke for you. You are not a member of the Collective….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
M, what dept of the raiders org do you work for????
September 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Thec….it is a waste of time with these “Goons”……(…..whispering…..drinking the kool aide…….)
September 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Well said. We are rapidly approaching the point of having a team that will go down in infamy, like the ‘80 “Aint’s” or the ‘76 Bucs. I would hate to see that happen to this once proud organization. What was witnessed by all honest observers on Mon. night was a team headed in this direction.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
OK. Now that that’s settled (i.e. Kiffin’s comments could have been misinterpreted) lets focus on something I read earlier.
To be captivated by Rob Ryan’s speech, while admirable, is missing everything tangible about this guy. What’s tangible is HIS defense’s performance every freakin’ year and it has been abysmal!
No one should have fallen for this PR stunt. He did the same crap TWICE last year. His reputation is on the line due to that record and confirmation of that record via his performance Monday night; and he feels he must defend himself. You are what you record says you are. And you are saddling this team with your deadweight.
I couldn’t believe I read someone would prefer Rob Ryan running this team over Lane Kiffin. That’s an introduction to 0-16. That sht was like – whoa! are you serious? That’s like following Adolf Hilter just because he gave a riveting speech. Use your minds here. Don’t let this guy pull the wool over your eyes. HE STINKS! AND 5 YEARS HAS BEEN ENOUGH TIME TO PROVE IT! But I guest losing is OK so long as the guy is taking it all off his players and onto himself? Give me a freakin break.
I don’t care what he gets up there and say. If he is responsible let him be responsible and resign his position. Let Al be responsible and can him and give the authority where it should be – the HC.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Dont worry Nation, I will. Like I said, last year they werent looking too hot going in there either, but still pulled it out. I’ll be cheering my ass off loud and proud til the end. There really isnt much sweeter sounds than 80,000 dejected chef fans after a Raider win in arrowhead. I just hope that even if they lose, their effort is better than last week. Hell it can’t get much worse.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:24 am
LOL…he works for the PR Dept…..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:25 am
M, You have apprently done some reading Nietsche very nice touch. I have a question for you, what should this organization do to get out of the abyss it is in?
September 12th, 2008 at 8:26 am
KS……you are right to a point….it can get worse if the Tyrant remains in charge….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Your comment about other teams going 9-12 w/ 2 td’s is a little misleading because the Raiders did record 3 sacks, which are not included in the 9-12 passing attempts. Not that 9-15 is great.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:29 am
so now we have factions within the NATION not speaking to eachother? well fu©k you guys, my bucket is the biggest so don’t come near my corner in sandbox, okay??
September 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
BIG AL GOON
Actually Kiffin did accept responsibility for loss; its just that it was glossed over in the media’s reporting due to seemingly more “juicer” rhetoric. But I’ve heard him say a few times that he and the coaching staff have to do a better job.
However, him taking responsibility for the defense is another matter. How can you take responsibility of something that you don’t have your fingerprints on? That’s the predicament he is in. I would have a hard time taking responsibility for someone I wanted fired, but was overruled. He doesn’t believe in the system.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Nice response chaos
I just think a grown man who gets a complex because people make fun of his clothes needs to get a new shirt or ignore those who tease him or punch them in the nose.
But to use it in in your anti Al manifesto to inspire others to join your anti Al crusade makes you seem a little immature.
You need a better story then that.
No offense meant
September 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
But B.A.G, I pick no bones with anything else you said in 539. No comments
September 12th, 2008 at 8:30 am
BHP, Christ man having a bad day? Pull your head out of your butt and the view will be much nicer. You lose all credibility calling everyone with a different feeling than the almighty bhp “cowards”? What a wancker. The only intelligent thing you said all day is about Ryan falling on his own sword for his team.
heres to a better Sunday
September 12th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Hey Thec……Lets list our accomplishments thus far….
1.Got Grant Napier to read the manefesto.
2.Made a ton of calls to the raider org. building letting them know we are pissed.
3.Subsequently RR came out and fired at his critics….a goon of big Al trying to piss out the fire.
4.Have added tons of the Nation Faithful, such as ourselves to the movement.
5.Working on a website that will contain blogs and allow people who dont drink the kool aide, and those that do, to speak their mind.
6.Have reached out to the NFL Corporate offices and the commish regarding the abismal state of our team.
Have reached out to the local media regarding the state of our franchise.
7.Have reached out to the rumor mongol shefter to get his take.
Can you add?
September 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am
NC-Chaos, I find it funny that we have Raider employees posting on this blog…. Its too obvious when they post… They are like blind sheeple. I beleive they are afraid of change. A cahnge in the org could mean some of these people will be out of a job.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am
NC – Where are you getting that lie from and why are you believing it? Knapp and Cable were both Kiffin guy’s. Kiffin interviewed Lofton and Rathman before they were hired. The one person that Kiffin couldn’t touch was Ryan. Kiffin was brought in mainly to get the offense up and running. Defense was not really supposed to be his concern. As Kiffin’s background is supposedly offense based. Year two under Kiffin and the offense that he was suppose to fix is still broke yet all he can talk about is the problems with the defense. What about the many problems with the offense? The WR’s can’t catch, the O-line can’t pass block, the offensive schemes seem elementary unimaginative, clock management was poor, way to many fumbles and penalties. People we were jumping offsides in our own stadium on offense!!
September 12th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Drew…….I am all about punching in the face bro…..but I only do it if there is a purpose and right now what would that purpose be? Can I tell them…yeah well my team kicked your azz?Can I tell them that we are the team of this decade? Can I tell them they are wrong? Nope……I can tell them that the Raider Nation is strong and collective though….and that even though there are a few discontent with us voicing our anger and opinions,. we are united on a common front in the belief that something needs to change and it starts with the tyrant……
September 12th, 2008 at 8:35 am
I couldn’t believe I read someone would prefer Rob Ryan running this team over Lane Kiffin. That’s an introduction to 0-16
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thats ZERO – MINUS SIXTEEEN!!!
with Ryan, we would be so bad that wins accumulated in the later seasons would go back to pay dividends for the previous season..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:35 am
You got it covered Bro, I think we have incured the wrath of the Raiders org on this blog. The employees come in post, and bash. Support the existing structure as if losing is okay…
some idiots have the GOD complex to question another persons fan hood….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Some of you so called ‘long time Raider fans’ disgust me. As if you have a monopoly on heart and passion for the Raiders. As if somehow, if we don’t wanna stand by silently, and make excuses for the crap that we’ve been seeing on the football field for years, somehow makes us less of a fan than you. You don’t bleed silver and black anymore than we do.
The bottom line is that we’re tired of being served bull manure and told that it’s cheesecake. We all saw the same thing with our very own eyes last Monday. The offense struggled but had an upside. The defense was clearly the worst I’ve seen in over a year, with Rob Ryan doing the EXACT same bullcrap that lost us the game 6 times last year when we had the lead in the fourth quarter.
We could have been 10-6 last year with an anemic offense run by Lane Kiffin. What part of that do some of you not understand?? Yet some of you are still praising and sticking up for Rob Ryan. Disgusting.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:37 am
sup NATION?
Ok so were gonna kill the chefs rite?! I dont think I am mentally or emotionally ready to go 0-2….
*sigh
September 12th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Hey big al……and where did those players come from…..are you gonna sit there any deny the fact that we have players that were chosen by the tyrant? You can’t. everyone here saus the same….he is in control of player personell……so tell me this….your in charge of the team and getting the “offense” together…..meanwhile I pick the players you get to use….and I tell you that you have to build your plays around an offense that was run before the bed in breakfast was even known……and then I have the nerve to tell you after one year to resign or else……what would you do……try not to think in the perspective of being a raider fan….think of it in pop warner terms…..think of it as a manager of a company…..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Big Al are you rob ryan? You must work for the org….
you are towing the company line, you also made my point. If kiffin was the “head coach” and not the head offensive coordinator I doubt that we would have had 41 points scored on us…. but thanks for responding Raider employee of the month. Al must pay prtty well….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Hey Nation, just checking back in after a haitus and may I say nothing has changed. BHP still wearing Al’s strap. Sheesh, in the spring it was sunshine and smiles and Kiffin is something special. What a moron, what is pathetic is still taking lock step with the person who has been the only constant with the Raiders all these years………AD. Al must go!
Shanarat knows exactly what Al, I mean Ryan will do and he played Al, I mean Ryan like a fool.
This all goes back to the infighting issues that have never been resolved, it’s just so old and tiring.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Chaos & Thec
I’m down with the movement and all but I still like my Kool-Aid!
September 12th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Kush, Keep preaching brother…… but keep in mind some of the Raider employees will ridicule you and as you stated question your fan hood. But keep preaching anyway Kush, thats whats up…..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Hobs….well said……can you imagine a world where shottenhomo and shanarat can’t pin their hat on their hate for Davis….what would they do to get their team going?…….Oh thats the team that owes me $.50 from 30 years ago…….talk about whinning…….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am
NC-408, What up BRO???? I love kool -aid on the rocks served with a twist…….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am
It’s a must win for the Raiders on Sunday and I don’t mean in the sense of if we lose it we are out of the playoffs, I mean if we lose this thing can snowball out of control, the Chefs are supposed to be the worst team this year so it will be interesting to see how bad we can be. One thing for sure is Herm will look at Rat’s play calling and trickery and think he can do the same with the old mindset of Ryan and Davis. It’s sad to see what’s become of Ryan, I am sure he had potential under Belicheat.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am
The bottom line is if Al gave Kiffin the reigns we would know clearly who to blame for it. But he didn’t so we are stuck in this quagmire. A HC that doesn’t believe in the defense (not the players) and accepts no responsibility for it.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:44 am
“The Raiders have shamed, degraded and humiliated themselves in so many other ways over the last five years that some coach-on-coach violence hardly moves the needle. ”
-Ray Ratto
September 12th, 2008 at 8:44 am
408..
I think we have a chance against brody croyle..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Assuming me to ever be part of any organization is quite humorous.
LMN,
hey, how’s the life?
September 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
“Wednesday, Kiffin essentially blamed Ryan and Al Davis for the shoddy defensive performance Monday night, the head coach divorcing himself from any responsibility for the 41 points, the lack of a blitz package and whatever else he could find.
Thursday, defensive coordinator Ryan called Kiffin a liar in as many ways as he could think of in 18 minutes.”
September 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
NC- Add to your list a mention in the Raiders Examiner. I can’t post the link, but it is on raidernews.com, titled “Raider Nation devastated by the state of the Oakland Raiders” the author even drops a link to the website.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
I still think Ryan sounded like a guy whose ass is on the line.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Come on big tryant….I want your answer….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am
M, somewhat like your post…
September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am
We’ll be 8-8 if we’re lucky. And if we do, I’ll respect Kiffin even more for accomplishing that in light of these circumstances.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Have you guys ever seen anything like this before?
“And Sunday, the Raiders play in Kansas City. Not that that should bother anyone at this point. The Oaklands are in full cannibal mode now, eating each other to stay alive a few days longer. The season is becoming irrelevant because, once again, winning takes a back seat to blame delegation.”
September 12th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Hey big al……and where did those players come from…..are you gonna sit there any deny the fact that we have players that were chosen by the tyrant? You can’t. everyone here saus the same….he is in control of player personell……so tell me this….your in charge of the team and getting the “offense” together…..meanwhile I pick the players you get to use….and I tell you that you have to build your plays around an offense that was run before the bed in breakfast was even known……and then I have the nerve to tell you after one year to resign or else……what would you do……try not to think in the perspective of being a raider fan….think of it in pop warner terms…..think of it as a manager of a company…..
Tick tock……..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Ryan still has potential I am sure of it but when you look at what he is doing by being Al’s yes man it does him no favors whether or not he looks like a man’s man.
And remember I wanted Gholston and Laws 1 & 2 cause I knew there was no rush, nothing against McFadden who has been a nice surprise, but was not needed in a sense of what was the most pressing issues.
I am wondering about Michael Bush, is there something wrong with him physically or do the coaches not have confidence in him?
September 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
BHP and Hayes Daze, I respect you guys as fans and you have a right to express your opinions, but you DO NOT have a monopoly on Raider fan hood. Nor do you have the clout or authority to question anyone else’s passion because they are tired of the crap clearly going on in the Raider organization.
Al Davis is the owner,GM,talent scout,and everything else in between. Fine that’s great. You question Kiffin’s manhood, but at what point does Al Davis stand up and take personal responsibility for the worst record over the past 5 years?
Who hired Art Shell and allowed that Bed in Breakfast offense to operate? Who brought in Aaron Brooks? Even though half of you like to villify Lane Kiffin now, who HIRED him, and praised him in front of the media for being wise and a great football mind?
Al Davis is responsible for the glory, legacy, and tradition of the Raiders past. And he is also responsible for the ineptitude, underachieving, and dysfunction that exists now. Period. Some of you guys are pathetic.
P.S. So what if Rob Ryan admitted that he’s sucked over the past 5 years. If a murderer steps up and admits that he killed 5 people, is he supposed to get a pass?
Rob Ryan has not just sucked in one game. He hasn’t even sucked in just 5 games. He has sucked for 5 years. He needs to be fired immediately. Where’s Chuck Bresnahan. We won the division three years in a row and went to a Super Bowl with him as the Defensive Coordinator.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Bart…I didn’t see it…
September 12th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Collective B!tches – Question – If the Raiders win on Sunday will you continue YOUR embarrassing crusade?
What if the Raiders turn it around this year?
Will you continue YOUR sniveling?
Or will you dust off your Raider gear and walk around like a proud peacock?
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Ray Ratto is a blabbering idiot. I saw that guy on NFLN once and that was my sole impression: a blabbering idiot. He didn’t know wtf he was talking about on national tv. He knows nothing about the Raiders and you could tell he knew nothing.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Check out http://www.examiner.com
click on the sports tab, and then scroll down to the article titled
Raider Nation devastated by state of the Oakland Raiders
September 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Fire……..this is not a movement for this year or next….this is a movement for the future of our once proud org……
September 12th, 2008 at 8:52 am
of course we won’t Fire, all that matters in sports is winning.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Committment To Excellence?
(Don’t make me laugh, it hurts) The Raiders have not been able to master the snap count in decades.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:53 am
BHP and Hayes Daze, I respect you guys as fans and you have a right to express your opinions, but you DO NOT have a monopoly on Raider fan hood. Nor do you have the clout or authority to question anyone else’s passion because they are tired of the crap clearly going on in the Raider organization.
Al Davis is the owner,GM,talent scout,and everything else in between. Fine that’s great. You question Kiffin’s manhood, but at what point does Al Davis stand up and take personal responsibility for the worst record over the past 5 years?
Who hired Art Shell and allowed that Bed in Breakfast offense to operate? Who brought in Aaron Brooks? Even though half of you like to villify Lane Kiffin now, who HIRED him, and praised him in front of the media for being wise and a great football mind?
Al Davis is responsible for the glory, legacy, and tradition of the Raiders past. And he is also responsible for the ineptitude, underachieving, and dysfunction that exists now. Period. Some of you guys are pathetic.
P.S. So what if Rob Ryan admitted that he’s sucked over the past 5 years. If a murderer steps up and admits that he killed 5 people, is he supposed to get a pass?
Rob Ryan has not just sucked in one game. He hasn’t even sucked in just 5 games. He has sucked for 5 years. He needs to be fired immediately. Where’s Chuck Bresnahan? We should release Walker and lure Bresnahan out of retirement. We won the division three years in a row and went to a Super Bowl with him as the Defensive Coordinator.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
I hope our team wins……because I am sick to my stomach when they dont….hell I loive the rush I get when it is a tight game and we have to drive down the firld to score and win…..like the blocked field goal in the browns game…..at least we had a chance to win…..so I am not questioning the team…..I am questioning the tyrants motives and his ability to lead……
September 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
I just read it NC-Chaos….. Thats for the heads up 3B
September 12th, 2008 at 8:54 am
This is the sort of stuff the mediots like Ratto and Gay love because they can take comments out of context, portray one coach as calling the other a liar, etc.
Ryan did disclaim the suggestion that he and Davis talk weekly, but he also said a few times he and Kiffin were fine.
How can anyone in alameda not be in a bad mood after that turd that was dropped on monday. no one should be happy with anyone else. but if what is going on is some huge fingerpointing exercise, then i don’t see it. if they wanted to really be “outing” each other, there are more destructive ways to do that. and all of ratto’s talk about the players and team considering Kiffin as a dead man walking, i don’t see that either.
so let’s stop drinking the media’s coolaid. remember how everyone was in a panic in february with Kiffin all but out the door? take a breath folks.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Hey Terrpain,
Who does know anything about the Raiders? You?, fine, when do we win?
September 12th, 2008 at 8:57 am
FIRE KIFFIN, I have on my DMAC authentic right now. Hey fire are you in the Raiders alemeda office or are you working emote today. Wonder how much you get paid to troll the blogs looking for Raider fans who are tired????
Funny you call people a B!TCH but you have zero idea who is on the blog, doubt you would say it to my face “internet tough guy”….
September 12th, 2008 at 8:57 am
“The bottom line is that we’re tired of being served bull manure and told that it’s cheesecake.” lol
September 12th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Get a Grip,
Hey, you maybe stupid, but I know how to read.
September 12th, 2008 at 8:58 am
And Fuk you don’t worry be happy MF’rs
September 12th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Kush, keep preaching Bro nice……..
September 12th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Fire Kiffin…Who hired Kiffin? And Norv Turner? And Art Shell? Maybe Al Davis should fire himself.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Right on NATION Collective,
I’m not trying to preach, but I just don’t understand some people. I honestly think that they’ve been watching a different team than we have the last five years.
Maybe they’ve been watching De La Salle High School Football games over the past 5 years, because to hear them tell it, everything’s fine, Rob Ryan’s great, and we’re just one or two plays from winning the Super Bowl.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:04 am
If you dont like to be called a B!TCH, stop B!TCHING.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Let’s not believe the media, or our lying eyes, let’s just keep kissing Al Davis’ wrinkled assz. Right BHP? That’s your solution to life.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Collective B!TCHES -Answer the question.
If the Raiders turn it around this year will you continue your B!TCHING?
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Kush, Your passion and love for this team is what it is all about. We love this team and are F@CKin tired of the losing, enough is enough…Change needs to occur… I know its one game we have 15 more but 41-14 at home is a F@CKING embarrasment…
We are considered the WORST FRANCHISE IN ALL OF SPORTS……
AN yet I still wear my Raider gear and still talk NATION….. Thats commitment. commitment even though our team that we all love is a failure..
September 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
M Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Assuming me to ever be part of any organization is quite humorous.
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Hi M.. yeah, us independents and mavericks doesn’t need such things.. a reason why we became raiders in the first place =)
September 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
KoolKell #596
Thats the most honest assessment of the last few seasons, I have heard. It would be comical if it weren’t so true.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
LMN
hope your rite bro! Plus Herm blows against us! I just don’t see us going 0-2.. It can’t happen rite.. I keep wakening up hoping it was all a bad dream!@ least jerry is getting alot of hits =/
September 12th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Hobs Gnarly,
read recently that Vernon “Mamula” Gholston has turned into a ghost for the Jets.
… first Raider drive on Monday brought a pass toward the pylon, the Denver defender, clearly beaten, grabs a handful of jersey to impede Raider progress. Ball lands incomplete. Broadcasters Golic and Greenberg wonder why the holding wasn’t called as it was in plain view. (guess they don’t see many Raider games.)
subsequent possession by the Donks results in a third down play that linesman spots a full yard beyond forward progress. Only a challenge from the Raider sideline gets the spot right.
game is still tight as this all goes on.
Curry drops the third and one pass. Game over.
A team in a tenuous state can use any break it can get. Having a fairly refereed game would be a start (ha ha), having a player make a crucial catch or block or tackle would have a great effect.
Al and Robbo and Kid Kiff had nothing to do with any of these three early telling moments in last Monday’s game (other than someone in the booth telling Kid Lane to throw his red flag).
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I got the whole league where I what em’…..over confident…Hey! Where’s my walker, I betcha Kiffin hid it…again.
If I didn’t have to pay the Kid I’d fire his a$$ so I could start blaming someone else, someone who doesn’t have the guts to question my authority.
Good news, found my walker!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Ahhhhh to day is a TuPac day cuz I’m like FTW I just need my Raiders to win a damn game! fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuK
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Fire, what dept in the Raiders org do you work for. Seems to me you are the one b!tching. You are however funny to me… How much do you get from the org to tow the company line? Or are you one of those blind sheeple with his head in the sand? No that would be an ostrich right, my bad…
You act as if I want the Raiders to lose, go look At my history you tool, I want the Raiders to win. You want status quo… Sorry If I dont tow the company line like you do…I have no vested interest only to see the team win, you however have your pay check on the line so I sorta understand your reasoning.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
While it would happen again and again throughout the season of 2006, it would never be as bad until this past Monday night. Since the game, I’ve read and heard from many that the Raiders need a defensive coordinator or a new owner. Some have even brought up the unthinkable and most shocking crime you could imagine, they’ve threatened to defect to another team.
Never have I even considered that an option, nor have I ever understood how someone could change allegiance so easily, until now. There’s a reason why so many non-Raiders fans and haters call citizens of Raider Nation ‘crazy,’ ‘insane,’ or just plain ’stupid.’ It’s not because you wear black or paint your face. It’s not because you root for a football team that they don’t like. It’s not because of the costumes and the unyielding love you have for your team. It’s because the owner of that team has continued to do things the same way over and over expecting different results, and you have defended him and supported him along the way.
-Rob Cologne
Another hater I suppose
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
LOL…………HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
September 12th, 2008 at 9:11 am
If your child comes home with straight F’s that doesn’t mean that you are gonna stop loving your child. But if you truly love and care about that child, you will step in and make the changes necessary to ensure that your child is getting a quality education.
That might mean a tutor, a different teacher, taking away the video games, or something.
We LOVE the Raiders. I just wore my authentic Jamarcus Russell jersey to work yesterday, with my Raider flags on my Silver car. But I am tired of seeing straight F’s on our football report card. If anyone truly cares, they will not sit back quietly while we flunk out of the NFL for a sixth straight year.
Some of you guys are pathetic.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Fire Kiffin,
IF, IF, IF, IF. IF Jesus comes back, I would have to change my opinion about a lot of things, and at this point that is much more likely than the Raiders doing anything this year. Are you that delusional that you actually think firing Kiffin would turn this thing around, and make us a winner. I have never abandoned this team, I was there in person Monday night with my mcFadd jersey cheering, and now I am still supporting this team every way I can, just like I have been since 1980. Continuing to support the management of this organization right now would be blind faith, and Al Davis aint the messiah, ya dig?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:14 am
So what if Im crazy? Yeah I love the Raiders and? Fuk the Haters!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Hey Sheeple,
What part of 19-62 that you don’t understand?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am
We have been called the most pasionate fans, yet the Raiders organization puts crap on the field. We are supposed to accept it, or leave. I will do neither. I will not leave the NATION nor will I continue to except F’s on this teams report card….
September 12th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Fire, waiting on you to tell me what dept in the org you work for Bro???? Is it marketing?
Also where is Tommy Trojan, havent seen him post in a while, hey tommy if your looking from a GO’s eye view “reading” only pop in sometime Bro…
September 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Collective B!TCHES – So anyone who isn’t in PANIC mode after one game, works for the Raiders?
My point is your silly “movement” will be short lived if the Raiders turn it around this year.
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
When a wounded carnivore or Cape buffalo is feeling cornered it has no option but to attack. We’ll see how the Raider PLAYERS feel Sunday about being gouged last Monday.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:22 am
You really do have one of the easiest jobs in the world, Jerry. There is no real life soap opera as intriguing as the Oakland Raiders. Each day brings some new shocking revelation or provocative statement. Thanks for your excellent coverage.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Hey Fire Kiff…..I am not a B1tch as you claim…so I would appreciate if you would keep that crap to yourself…..and you know what….if our movement is short lived, so be it…but we are doing what we feel is right to make something happen…..not just sitting on the sidelines and cheering or walking out of the MAC with our heads down after another loss…..
September 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
FIRE KIFFIN Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Collective B!TCHES – So anyone who isn’t in PANIC mode after one game, works for the Raiders?
Hey B1tch, what is it about 19-62 you don’t understand?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Fire, you either can’t read or dont want to accept it.
we want the team to win. ROFLMAO, I hope we go 15-1, I hope we go to the playoffs, I hope the team can win Al Davis 5 more SB’s….
Your comments are from the point of view of a company schill…
September 12th, 2008 at 9:26 am
M I hope you are right…
September 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
KoolKell,
much respect to your posts over the months, but when I read 19-61 over five years or 19-62 as of today it reminds me of Giuliani’s campaign to just say 9-11 as many times as possible in one paragraph. Tiresome.
I have been watching the S & B since their inception and not all has been great every year. Yes, the recent past has sucked and I do not know the way out of it except for the players to perform. One can blame the suits, but they don’t strap it on.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:28 am
A win against Kansas City this weekend would be awesome. It would really make my Sunday that much better, it would make the beers I will be drinking taste sweeter. But a win sunday is not fixing this team. Sorry FK, but beating a lowly Kansas City team doesn’t make us a great team, that just means we are one place further from the very bottom. Which is about where we have been hovering for 6 years. If we lose at least 10 games this year, it will set the record for most consecutive double-digit loss seasons, and that will put us in the discussion for worst teams of all time. How does the franchise pull out of this nose-dive? The answer my friend is blowing in the (autumn) wind.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:29 am
We are gonna run the ball down the Chiefs throat!!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:30 am
FIRE KIFFIN Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Collective B!TCHES – So anyone who isn’t in PANIC mode after one game, works for the Raiders?
My point is your silly “movement” will be short lived if the Raiders turn it around this year.
Just Win Baby.
————————–
Now you’re name calling. thats real mature how old are you 12?
Nothing would please us more than to have our beloved RAIDERS start winning! I was 1 of the biggest AL supporters in here but enough is enough! 5 years of losses has taken its toll on many of us!(oh god help me I’m starting to sound like MR) You go ahead and keep towing the company line of you want to! My eyes are open…
RAIDER ON
September 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
…..and JaMarcus is going to be throwing a few darts around…….Raiders win by 35…….
September 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
“Kush”, let’s get something straight kids are poeple, football is a game…Kids aren’t that important!
“Fire Kiffin”, like your name! Do you think you could talk to Lane about signing a letter of resignation? I spent all my money on great players this off season.
Oh damn, who took my walker?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:32 am
….oh, and DeAngelo will have 2 – pick 6’s…..
September 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I hope we smash the F out of the cooks….
I hope we paramedic croyle if he is playing, read some thing about him being injured.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Hey pa……hopefully it is not….…..and JaMarcus is going to be throwing a few Farts around…….Raiders win by 35…….
September 12th, 2008 at 9:34 am
The Raiders are going to win this week.
Kiffin will be fired by the bye week.
And the Raiders will show drastic improvement for the remainder of the season.
Mark my words.
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:36 am
What are you going to wave your magic fairy wand and make that happen….he types slow enough to be Al the Tyrant Davis……
September 12th, 2008 at 9:38 am
PA
pass me that Kool-Aid Brother mine doesn’t have enough sugar or something!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Which flavor would you like???? I have many!!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:39 am
ANYIONE THINK WE R GONNA WIN SUNDAY?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:41 am
I do.
Just Win Baby.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
l NegroyPlata
Sup bro?
Hell yeah were gonna win on sunday!
RAIDERS 27 Chefs 20
September 12th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Thec…….he is the tyrant…..
September 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I do
September 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
You MR why don’t you post as your self? We already admitted you were rite so whats with the FK mask @ least change your hyperlink!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
EVERYONE IN THOSE SILVER AND BLACK UNIFORMS THINK WE’RE GONNA WIN SUNDAY, THATS REALLY ALL THAT MATTERS……AND I’LL BE SUPPORTING THEIR EFFORT….
September 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am
So post 644, we win next week but kiffin fired. How does that make any sense. We need continuity not 10 HC is 6 years. Again I ask you what dept do you work for?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am
* Yo not you
September 12th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Some Idiot, posting under “FIRE KIFFIN” is telling us everything is going to be alright.
Oh yeah, how does that work Genius?
September 12th, 2008 at 9:48 am
NC-Thec FireKiffin is MR.. Im surprised you didn’t already spot him.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Anger clouds the mind! So does this grandaddy!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Here’s how I see it.
1. To the old school fans: You are right that our past is glory and there is something to be said for patience. As bad as Monday was, it still was only one game. A victory over the Chiefs, better yet a blowout victory, gives us back our swagger going into Buffalo.
2. However, I don’t believe the anger expressed by “Nation Collective” is the knee-jerk reaction to simply one loss. This is definitely targeted towards 5 years of losing. Not 8-8 or 7-9 losing, but worst team in the league losing year after year after year. Their anger is justified.
3 Regardless of your view, all have to agree that the bottom line is winning. Al Davis knows this as his own mantra is “Just Win Baby” Rob Ryan knows this because he felt compelled to come out and address the media and even said it himself that “kicking arse” solves everything. And Lane Kiffin wants to win, not only for the young players on offense, but I believe he wants to coach here for a long time and knows the best way to shut up Al Davis and get more authority is to win.
Beat the Chiefs!!!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 9:51 am
M,
I have to make it as plain as possible to the sheeple.
And thanks, it needs to be done, and I’m able to do it.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Well said S&B.
Winning is the bottom line. And that’s something we all agree on.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Get blowed out, in your season opener, against a division rival, On a Monday Night National TV audience?
There’s nothing about that, that’s alright. Aint gonna be alright.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:56 am
KK
Sheeple LOL…..
Thanx I needed a good laugh..
September 12th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Other than “Fire Kiffin”, I think everyone should stop posting their comments.
By the way…not that I care what you think…But how do you think I’m doing as an owner?
And if anyone has an idea where my walker is I’d appreciate the input.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:57 am
The Real Mediaiots are the clowns in the Raider PR Dept.
September 12th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Thats just it I am old school. I have been a fan of the Raideers since 1970… My favorite team of all times is the 76 Raiders. that team is the best team ever in the NFL in my opinion better than the 72 fins.
Stabler is my favorite QB ever…. “The Snake” no one will ever be better than him to me. So its not just the young guns who want change, i want change too. i will continue to support the team but man I want us to win and win now…
September 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
so should I start Mcnab or cun tler
September 12th, 2008 at 10:03 am
start Lenny Dawson
September 12th, 2008 at 10:06 am
He Al……I sent your walker fed ex to hell……I have another box for you too if you want……
September 12th, 2008 at 10:07 am
props to you Nation Collective people, heard about you on KHTK 1140 last night before the Sean Salsibury show. If nothing else, you’re making the statement that fans are absolutely sick of this and that’s great. Well done.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Mr why don’t you answer me dude? I’ll totally stop calling you tard boy if you stop having multiple screen names.. Deal?
September 12th, 2008 at 10:10 am
“Ok then, the main questions about the defense have not been answered. Mainly: Why you are transparent in your tactics and formations. Other teams have the book on your defense because there is no variation from year to year- or at least none detectable enough to fool anyone.”
Answer: Because it’s the only Defense Al Davis knows.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:11 am
“NATION Collective,what type of box…like chocolates
Also could you go to hell and fetch my walker…I’d appreciate it.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Jerry….its 10:00 and there is no new news……come on we all know the tyrant can’t go that long without at least pissin his pants……..give us something?
September 12th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Yeah I will take you with me….
September 12th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Hey Common…..thanks bro…..but we dont need any glory for doing what is right…..we are just stepping up and trying to get change to this……????……??????…..what are we right now?
September 12th, 2008 at 10:14 am
A Failing Franshise…..thats what I meant…..
September 12th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Hobs: I wanted Gholston and Laws 1 & 2 cause I knew there was no rush, nothing against McFadden who has been a nice surprise, but was not needed in a sense of what was the most pressing issues.
I think if Kiffin had any say he would’ve kept Dominic Rhodes and used a Fargas/Rhodes/Bush combo this season. We probably would have kept Fabian Washington, instead of dumping him for a 4th rounder and traded a 2nd & 5th (next year) for D Hall a flashy player who is overrated according to the league’s elite receivers. Kiffin probably would have taken Dorsey, Ellis or Clady in the 1st and a Wr in the 2nd. Addressing needs instead of building on things you’re already good at – running the ball & defending the pass. We might have went after Stallworth or Berrian instead of Walker. Probably could have got T-Kelly back in the fold for half the price. Who knows though? Maybe Al Davis is right? If Walker, Harris, Kelly, Wilson, Hall & McFadden all live up to their contracts we should be playoff bound. We sure didn’t see it in week 1 though!
September 12th, 2008 at 10:16 am
when is that buytheRaiders.com website going to up?
September 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
yo NC- Chaos I think some 1 might have already posted this but your voice is being heard brother! RAIDER ON
http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2008m9d12-Raider-Nation-devastated-by-the-state-of-the-Oakland-Raiders
September 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am
yeah, we need that website, up and running. One member of the media has already attempted to access it.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am
RaiderRockstar, Some of your comments make too much sense..if you were with the Raiders I’d fire you.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
“If the Raiders don’t get a clue in Kansas City on Sunday, they’re looking at 0-4 going into the bye … and bye-bye Lane Kiffin. Kiff can beat Mike Shanahan’s dismissal record by a game.”
-Carl Steward
September 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Guys, Fans have the right to their opinions, and if some of us want to express them, fine, let us call the team, call the radio stations, and call the NFLN. Why not? Pressure often can create movement in the right direction. Only the ignorant would question your loyalty to the team. You place team first, whereas others place one man above the team.
On the other hand, don’t just assume that those who ridicule you for voicing your opinion work for the Raiders. It is okay if you are only kidding, but if you are serious, well, then you need to get a grip on the paranoia.
M and Dell don not work for the Raiders, lol. They have much more important jobs. BHP, well, you might be on to something there, lol.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
The website will be up shortly… We are working on it.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am
As the Raiders self destruct there is anarchy in the stands, mob fights.
I am never going to a Raider game again.
You thugs are responsibile for fans not attending, not the Raiders Lousy play.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:25 am
The KC game should not even be close. We should blow them out and demoralize their fans. Will that happen? I am not confident enough to say given Rob Ryan’s continuation in the way he’s running this defense: Absolutely no aggression. None!
If KC scores on the opening drive it may very well be a long day; unless Kiffin’s offense miraculously catches wind and scores right back. I have a bit more confidence in this occurring than I do in that defense after Monday night’s debacle.
Still it won’t be easy for this young offense jump out to a fast start in Arrowhead stadium. That’s why its pivotal that the defense shows up. Will they? We’ll see soon enough.
By mid-late season this offense should be able to hold up its end without an unbalanced reliance on the defense. But they are not there yet and we all know it.
I just don’t understand how Rob O can believe in what he believes in given his lineage and what his brother does in B’more? Its a head-stratcher.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:25 am
“Before this season is over, Davis’ defensive marionette, Rob Ryan, may wish he’d been fired by the man himself instead of just Kiffin.”
-Carl Steward
September 12th, 2008 at 10:25 am
BHP doesn’t “work” for the Raiders, he just thinks he does. If anything he volunteers for the Raiders.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am
The Raiders will commit 5 False Starts in the 1st qrt at Arrowhead.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I am not paroniod, i just know that some of the employees visit the blogs…. Weather M or that hayes guy who is very funny is an employee i dont know. but paraniod is a strong word for this sitiuation in my opinion.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Robert Gallery alone will probably get 5 false starts, and I fear for Henderson. At least Jared Allen is gone.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am
“The one Brett Favre story I’d love to read but haven’t found yet: The one about his new relationship with the Jets’ assistant head coach for offense. A guy by the name of Bill Callahan. Yep, that Bill Callahan.”
-Carl Steward
September 12th, 2008 at 10:31 am
And please stop playing Warren at NT. That sht is a joke! We need a new line period – on both sides cause I know Jam is jealous seeing the other QBs get PLENTY of time to throw the rock.
I’m already jealous of Buffalo. They are playing backups on the line. Trent Edwards is getting plenty time to throw in a nice pocket and they are in no rush to put Peters back in the starting lineup. That’s called depth!
The way Ryan plays defense, it’ll take a miracle to knock off Buffalo with that kinda line.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:34 am
That guy is still alive? I figured he would turn up face down and ‘husked’ in a cornfield on the outskirts of Lincoln. Wow, good for him, apparently Mangini loves Raider rejects, I’ll bet he already has his eye on Kiffin for a position on the staff.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Raider Nation…Good Morning!!!
All, just saw a clip on NFL.com on the Atlatna Falcons…and all I got to say is ‘wow’. Tremendous synergy thoughout the organization; Owner to GM to Coaches to Vetern Players to Young Players.
I’m getting more and more convinced that given the current Raiders organization culture we are in serious serious trouble.
I admire and respect Mr. Davis. But at this age, I wish he would get a real GM and give Kiffin more power.
Seth
Raider Fan Since 1982
‘In Lane I Trust’
September 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Thanks Senile.
I think the Denver loss is going to light a fire for not only our players, but our coaches. Starting NFL players have a lot of pride, especially if they are getting paid a lot and considered a leader or captain. I expect Ryan to blitz against KC and Hall to play in press coverage. I’d like to see Nnamdi on Bowe, but unfortunately the Raiders just have their CB’s stick to a side, so the Chiefs can shuffle their guys around to find a favorable matchup. Anybody think Huff will be all over Gonzalez like he was the past 2 years or do you think since he switched to FS that the duty belongs to Wilson or a LB? We couldn’t contain Kolby Smith last year.. what do you think a healthy Larry Johnson will do to us? I hope the run defense is prepared. I think the coaching staff and players all expected our pass defense to be the best in the league before we even played a game. Then we got embarrassed by Shanny, Cutler & Royal. That opened the eyes for the db’s – prove you’re the best. on paper don’t mean squat. Opened the eyes for the coaches – you still have to scheme. Having the best db’s doesn’t mean they’re all in the best position to make plays. I think we’ll beat KC by 3 or 4 points if we limit the penalties & turnovers. Those killed the momentum for us on Monday night.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am
I finally think Raider fans are fianlly starting to realize that Al Davis is the cancer. I have had season tickets since 95′ and I kept eventhough I lived in Cleveland for 3 years. The sad part of this deal is that Russell and McFadden are going to go to waste because Al is a stubborn myopic person. I truely believe Jamarcus can be a superstar in the NFL but he wont happen under these conditions.
I am done with this organization! I am done with Al Davis! The organization is a joke!
September 12th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Rob Ryan shouldn’t be head coach, but his rant showed Kiffin how a HC should be. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND DON’T PASS THE BUCK!
Way to take one for the team.
Dakota works for the Raiders.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Ryan Clady looked great for his first start at LT for the Broncos. Basicly locked down his side. I wanted to trade down for the guy. Glad we have DMAC though.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Another Statement from Al Davis:
Dear Loyal Members of Raider Nation,
Hold fast my minions; do not allow the logic and common sense of these rebels cloud your loyalty to me! Have faith that I have a vision for our future, a vision of greatness, of a commitment to excellence, to just winning baby. However, I must first shake off this child coach that has dared question me! I, and my loyal assistant defensive coordinator, shall make life very difficult for Kiffin. The world will know that Kiffin is responsible for all of the Raiders’ problems dating back to 1984. I should have never listened to him when I fired Shanahan, or hired White, Bugel, Norvell or Shell! I should never have allowed Kiffin to talk me into denying Gruden power and then trading him to Tampa Bay. This is all Kiffin’s fault, and those that follow that reasoning shall be rewarded when I lift the Marshal Law that has been placed on Raider Nation.
Remember, sign your loyalty oaths and get your temporary loyalty cards in the next 28 days, or face the consequences!
Al Davis
September 12th, 2008 at 10:46 am
POST 692: NATION Collective…..Indeed, Raiders employees do monitor this site. In fact, Jerry has referred to team officals (Ed Herrerra..i think) calling him after seeing or hearing about one of his posts.
Jerry…if you’re monitoring correct me if I’m wrong.
Seth
Raider Fan Since 1982
‘In Lane I Trust’
September 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am
The more I stew the more pissed off I get. Sunday will be a test of pride, man vs. man, and we better fuggin man up. Test of wills, test of pride, this Sunday will really show us what we have in this team, in this organizaiton, and as a franchise.
Buckle down, hide the woman and children, break out the Jack Daniels, it’s on fellas, it’s on…..
RRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDEEEERRRSSSS
September 12th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Rob ryan has risen to his level of incompetance. And with the blessings of the owner. It’s not going to change,we have five years of history…oh but it’s going to change now? It’s a sad state of affairs for Raider Nation.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Jerry is getting scooped by some dude on the other side of the bay! What makes it worse is the deed was done on his blog! Freaking Jerry step your game up guy! Next JJ is gonna be posting his Fix before you! BTW where is to days fix ?
September 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Raderdogg whats up man
September 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Einstein….
I think I speak for the Raider Nation, when I say, “I wish we could suit you up for the game”. I don’t think these players have your same passion and fight. I hope I am wrong.
Seth
Raider Fan Since 1982
‘In Lane I Trust’
September 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am
that’s funny Dakota
September 12th, 2008 at 10:51 am
408:
Jerry wont steup his game up, why should he? He isn’t a Raiders fan, his job is to cover the Raiders, doesn’t meen he has to like it, or even care about it. “Just Pick Up The Paycheck Baby”.
I would like to see the media room if just ONE of us on this list have 1 minute during a media session. All hell would break loose, and it would be fuggin AWESOME.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:52 am
How can you pass the buck when you have not done sheit in 5 years. When your best player on D says if a team game plans for us the D has no answers. Make some sort of changes, take a chance. We have an ostritch as a D cord.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Seth:
Lol, dude I would get killed if I suited up.
Man up, it’s time to man up.
“You can be a winner, you can be a loser, Gotta wake up when you here the rooster. Sometimes its just too simple to live your life wrong. Gotta do right for you when the time come.”
The rooster is fuggin crowing, it’s time to wake up Raiders, gotta do the Raider Nation right, the time has come…
September 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Do us right fellas, make the Raider Nation right again, it’s time to roll. Lets go, win and dominate, lets play some Raider football, kick some arse, take no prisoners. Burn some Chiefs, kill them, poke some holes in their pride. Lets go, man up, fuggin man the phuk up.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Hey guys…..Send your stuff to sportsline@khtk.com…..they actually put our stuff on the air and allow us to voice our opinions..worked yesterday………
September 12th, 2008 at 10:58 am
COME ON, WIN, FIGHT, LETS DO THIS RAIDERS, MAN THE PHUK UP, ITS TIME. THE TIME HAS COME FOR ALL MEN TO MAN THE PHUK UP. PRIDE IS ON THE LINE. LETS DO THIS. WAKE THE PHUK UP AND FIGHT.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:58 am
What up SNB666!
Looking at a big W this Sunday. The Chefs will be saying “Great ooogely boogely”
September 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
“Even though he jumped on that grenade, we’ve got to step it up,” defensive tackle Gerard Warren said. “He can’t step between them white lines, so it falls on us. When he says he’s got to pick it up, the correlation is we’ve got to pick it up.”
ya think? I was under the impression Rob Ryan was gonna jump in and play D tackle when he made those comments
September 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am
Einstein
Well Jerry is being lame the NATION Collective started on his board soon we will have our website up and running! We already flooded the phones @ headquarters and many Nation brothers who wont commit to the Collective are showing their support by contacting NFLN, the org directly and who ever else we can find to listen!
RAIDER ON!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Let’s go Nation, the call is for us to. Lets man the phuk up. Lets go fellas, we are the silver and black, we have pride. Lets stand up and fight, lets go, man up. No more stewing and sitting in the dark with the 45 clip loaded. Phuk the world, we are Raiders, and we are the Raider Nation. We gotta right this ship and wake the phuk up. Man up fellas, man up.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:03 am
408:
I am commited to the Raider phuking Nation, the Silver and Black. My commitment is to my Raiders, and my Raider brother and sisters. Let’s roll my Raider brother. We are one nation, and it’s time this nation steps us.. Long live the Silver and Black.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
LONG LIVE THE SILVER AND BLACK MY RAIDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!
The time is now for the Raider Nation to right the wrongs. Lets roll…
RRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDEEEEERRRSSSSS
September 12th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Statement from Al Davis,
I am sending Rob Ryan out right now to kill the insurgents.
Al Davis
September 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Einstein….doesn’t sound like you….
September 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am
sounds like a troll…..
September 12th, 2008 at 11:06 am
sounds almost like the tyrant…..
September 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
I know Chaos, something hit me this morning my Raider brother.. Not sure what it is, but I have a fire burning, and I am going to poor some phuking gasoline on this sh!t my brother. No more selfish pride, the Silver and Black and the Raider Nation for LIFE….
September 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Einstein
@ the moment I am committed to 2 getting something to eat! The time is now for lunch!
RAIDER ON
September 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Nah fellas, it’s me, it really is. I still have the 12 page businees proposal sitting on my windows desktop.
Fire burning in me fellas…
September 12th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Lol 408. Eat with pride today my Raider brother, because you are a member of the Raider Nation, and we are strong….. ttyl bro.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:11 am
The difference betweent the NFL, other teams, other teams fans, and the Raider Nation is that WE ARE STILL PHUKING HERE. AND WE AREN’T GOING ANYWHERE. KICK US WHEN WE ARE DOWN, IT’S COOL, CAUSE WE WILL RIP YOUR PHUKING HEAD OFF WHEN IT’S OVER AND DONE.
We are the Silver and Black my Raider family. We gotta wake up and fight. The Raider Nation is our lives, and we gotta right this wrong.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:12 am
I know these teams has much larger problems right now, but is anyone else a bit concerned by the teams extremely bad roster situation. We have 3 DT’s on the roster, facing a Kansas City team with a back-up QB and Larry Johnson. We are playing a project player at Left Tackle who wasn’t even in uniform last week. I expect Wilson and Edwards to play, but if they don’t we will have rookies stepping in to play for them. I was expecting some roster moves after that first game, but so far we have only added a RT who doesn’t seem to fit our blocking scheme.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:14 am
I salute all of you my Raider brother and sisters. You are my family, my nation!! Keep you heads up, stick that chin out, and take your shots. We are fighters in the pit, and we will will FIGHT. Silver and Black baby, Silver and Black till we DIE.
Dont give up family, hang in there and fight….!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Thec — The simple “definition” of insanity that you are apparently alluding to is just that…a very simple definition of very complicated mental diseases. There are many ways to be labeled insane, and just supporting a team through thick and thin is not one of them. Instead of asking if I’m insane, you should ask if I’m loyal. Then the answer would be a big YES, thank you very much.
Also, Thec — Unlike you and the self-appoiinted leader of your alleged collective, I don’t call people names on this site. Not my style, and I find it really immature. You, for a guy who is at least 38-years old, would benefit from restraining from that kind of talk, too. It feels good, not to treat people like crap just because you can’t come up with a better comeback during legitimate debate.
I don’t call names, but I do like to point out the contradictory and funny things people write in here — things like this:
Thec says: “Sorry If I dont tow the company line” (That would be TOE the line — i.e, step up to the line.)
Thec says: “Post 33, I hate to call names but you are an IDIOT” (That’s telling him — way to get your point across! Also, contradiction/hypocrisy all in one sentence.)
Chaos says: “Have reached out to the NFL Corporate offices and the commish regarding the abismal state of our team.” (I hope you didn’t put “abismal” in any writing to any corporate office.)
Chaos says: “Have reached out to the rumor mongol shefter to get his take” (Would you mean the “rumor MONGER? Mongol is pretty funny, though. Also — using the guy to further your cause, and bashing him in the same sentence smacks of hypocrisy…after all, isn’t this the same Adam Schefter members of your collective hates and doesn’t believe half(or more) of the time? I’m sure he respects your written letter/email when you can’t even spell the guy’s name right.)
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These are the things I bring up NOT to question anybody’s fanhood (they do that with their own actions). I bring them up to show that, as smart as they may be (or think they are), a few (hundred even) of the “collective” do not speak for all of us.
Our opinions don’t have to be the same, and I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy/girl — but I would appreciate it if the collective would at least make sense when trying to argue for all of us. At least understand the terms they’re trying to use to impress the world. Kind of like GWB when he says “nuke-u-ler” — it’s an embarrassment in the eyes of the world that he can’t even pronounce the word, but he has his finger on the most destructive physical force made by man.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:16 am
BART BRIDGE BRIGADE:
My Raider brother, it is what it is. We must use the weapons we have and fight. What else are we to do? Lay down and die? I think not brother. We must fight, and win!!
Our soldiers are in hostile territory this Sunday, and we must send them our will to fight. To gain back our pride and to fight!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Does anyone know if Rod Coleman is still out there? We need help a DT. Could come on the cheap.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:18 am
To Fire Kiffin…
If the Raiders turn it around this year, will you stop saying “Fire Kiffin”?
Also, since you hate Lane so much, do you blame AD for hiring this guy? If not, who’s fault is it?
September 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am
WHO WOULD YOU START? i need 3 of the 4.
Ronnie Brown
Lawrence Maroney
Justin Fargas
Michael Turner
Thank you in advance!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am
To HELLS BELLS,
We could sign the pot head from the Colts… dude was a beast in the interior that liked to chill out Marley style.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:20 am
NO MORE NATION!! NO MORE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. WE ARE A FAMILY, AND OUR FAMILY IS DOWN RIGHT NOW. WE MUST PICK EACH OTHER UP AND FIGHT.
We are a family, stop hurting each other and support each other. We can have differing opinions, thoughts, and ideals, but the fact of the matter is we are all a family as members of the Raider Nation. We can differ and not agree, but in the end we are soldiers fighting for the same cause, lets unite and stop swinging at each other! Pick your Raider brothers and sisters up off the floor, don’t knock them down.
I hurt, I hurt real bad, and all I have left is my Raider Nation family to support me. I love all of you, and I don’t even know you, but that doesn’t matter because you have a fire and desire of something that is near and dear to me. That common thread makes us family, and we must hang in there and FIGHT.!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Hmmm, the Mike Lombardi guy at CNNSI says that Al has always been involved with the D, Sapp said Al has an involvement during game day, Kiff says there’s an involvement during the week… So I don’t think I’m gonna believe Ryan and his “I’m the man” routine. I don’t care how many superbowls the Ryans have won, Ryan’s D sucks, we’ve seen it, it doesn’t work.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I hear you Einstein, I hope that those rookies (Branch and Scott) can step up on Sunday. I don’t know what it is, but the Chiefs are definitely the team that I like watching lose the most. It seems like the best rivalry games since I have been a fan were always Raiders v. Chiefs. I think Henderson will step up big on Sunday, he doesn’t strike me as someone who is gonna be false starting at arrowhead, he is very laid back. But he needs to discover his mean streak.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am
738
Think hes in for a fat suspension. Not first offence.
I think Coleman could be a steal. If we continue just to rush 4, then we need DTs that can rush the passer.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:23 am
WHO WOULD YOU START? i need 3 of the 4.
Ronnie Brown
Lawrence Maroney
Justin Fargas
Michael Turner
Thank you in advance!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Yes Bart Bridge Brigade, I like your thinking my brother.
“He need to discover his mean streak”.
Yeah my brother, EXACTLY. Great statement, that is what our team needs to do this Sunday, find a mean streak, let it all out, and FIGHT!!
RRRRAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSS
September 12th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Ed Johnson will be suspended for at least 4 games, but its an opportunity for the Raiders to get an elite DT for the future. But we need a 4th DT for the short term.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:26 am
743
Brown, Maroney, Turner. I think we our going to spread around the carries this week whick makes Fargas less attractive.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:26 am
THANK YOU HELLS BELLS!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Put you Raiders gear on this weekend and wear it with pride fellas. Wear the colors with pride!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:28 am
awwwwww shiiiiiiiiiit the spelling and grammar police are back!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:28 am
You can take my Raiders gear when you “Pry it from my cold dead fingers”.
authour unkown
September 12th, 2008 at 11:29 am
The idea that loyalty and change are mutually exclusive is incredibly ignorant. I bleed silver and black and will always be loyal to my team.
This means that I want them to succeed ABOVE ALL.
Wanting my team to change for the better does not make me a fair weather fan, or not a true member nation, it makes me a realist.
Look at the common denominator, RR has outlasted 4+ head coaches…yet we still suck. Methinks the problem isn’t the head coach.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Baller
You could be right. Dude had 41 tackles his first year. 7 in week one. seems to be very active. Could be a steal also. He is a little light though. 296 lbs
September 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Ryan just doesn’t have it. He will never be a D Coordinator on another team. He might be a LB coach, or a d line coach, or a water boy, but no a D Coordinator.
He must have to much of his mom in him…
September 12th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I dont give any creedence to weight, speed, height. Dudes that got heart, and go out there to play the game, rise to the top in this league, because most rosters are filled with content millionaire athletes, scurred of injury and looking bad on TV.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Nation
I agree RR has to go if he can not turn things around. Seems his system is based on winning one on one matchups. But, when you don’t have the best personal you have to scheme better. Our front 4 need help to be effective.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hayes, thanks for proving my point yet again… Trying to discredit someone on a blog is non sense……
I would like to ask you though what dept do you work in for the Raider org? Is it marketing?
I am not the “self appointed leader” of anything. I am just tired of the product we have on the field.
Said it before you have a GOD complex, but i cant be controlled by you or your thoughts. I am not one of the shepple that will shrink when a blog professional questions them or says something i dont agree with.
I think and do for myself. I love this team but my head is not in the sand.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Einstein,
You remind me of an ass kicking platoon leader in Nam.
I’m ready, let’s go!
If we lose, let no one come back alive!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:38 am
I’m surprised nobody has brought up what RR said about (Ryans) being in six Super Bowls, and winning five of them. It’s a cool thing to hang his hat on, but a stat that should only be used if he had won one as a D-coordinator himself.
I think RR should’ve been let go before Kiff was even brought aboard, yet I also understand Al thinking the continuity on at least one side of the ball would be a good thing. It hasn’t worked out that way, and now we need to see if he can salvage his defense — and his reputation — because the players will soon start to revolt otherwise.
Kiffin and Ryan need to man-up, get together, and start acting like the leaders of men they were hired to be. Talking AT each other through the press will quickly lead to an even more ruinous state of affairs — and yes, it can certainly get worse).
Al laid his bed, and he’s certainly not sleeping comfortably in it. Now he (and we) need to ride out the storms brought by his decisions, as painful as it is to do so.
Another 40+ points put on this defense anytime soon, and continuity be damned, RR’s got to go — or we’ve given up all hope for improvement.
No matter how great a job Kiff’s done with JaMarcus (yes, great — he’s taught him very well, and it shows every time we see him…mistakes and all) — he needs to start acting like a head coach, and stop acting like a pouty child. This team needs confidence and character — something the head coach should be overflowing with; Something Kiff seems to be unwilling or unable to show an alarming amount of the time.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Thec — The simple “definition” of insanity that you are apparently alluding to is just that…a very simple definition of very complicated mental diseases. There are many ways to be labeled insane, and just supporting a team through thick and thin is not one of them. Instead of asking if I’m insane, you should ask if I’m loyal. Then the answer would be a big YES, thank you very much.
Hayes, sorry Bro but you nissed the whole point on this one. I wasnt alluding to your insanity, but to the insanity of us beleiving things are going to change with this organization. Sorry I think you over thunk yourself on this one….LOL
September 12th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Twocents:
I’m not a leader my brother, just a soldier standing side by side my with my Raider Nation brothers and sisters. Wear your gear and colors with pride this weekend by brother. I am side by side with you to fight!!
RRRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDDEEEERRRRRRSSSSS
September 12th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Henderson better step up a have a good game. He’s due like a book. The man is a giant. Can he play football? Is the question here. Make the most of it kid.
Good luck.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:42 am
We need a DC in the mold of Jim Johnson. Eagles D might not always be the best but they are always aggressive and nasty. With our secondary being very similar to theres we could apply same pressure as they do. We need to act not react. Could hire away seconday, or linebacker coach and make DC.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Al needs to hire Matt Foley as the head coach. They don’t need anybody to call plays, Al has that handled. That team just needs a damn motivational speaker to light a fire under their asses.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Insanity is the raqiders organization doing the same thing over and over again……
September 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I have never seen a head coach estrange himself from his team like Kiffin has done this year. From publicly humiliating players to disavowing any responsibility for the defense, his actions are hard to fathom. I can’t tell if he is just immature or if he is trying to draw fire from Davis. What team would want this guy coaching after this gig?
September 12th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Won’t tell you where I work (for myself, by the way), but you’re not even close.
408 — Grammar and spelling are very important when addressing educated people with your argument. Mistakes on a blog/forum are one thing, and not such a big deal — but, misunderstanding and misusing words in writings to corporate offices, commissioners, and journalists immediately diminishes the message.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:45 am
HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 11:38 am
“Kiffin and Ryan need to man-up, get together, and start acting like the leaders of men they were hired to be. Talking AT each other through the press will quickly lead to an even more ruinous state of affairs — and yes, it can certainly get worse)”
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EXACTLY!! WELL SAID MY RAIDER BROTHER!!
Time for everyone to man up and FIGHT. Our coaches need to STFU and lead their soldiers into battle and FIGHT!! LEAD THE NATION, LEAD THE SILVER AND BLACK.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Joey Bee Post 761:
YEAH MAN, THATS RIGHT MY RAIDER BROTHER!!
“Make the most of it kid” and FIGHT MAN, FIGHT WITH PRIDE.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:47 am
We love the shutdown corner, but we dont call the plays to take advantage of their skills. With having people they can play man we should be able to get creative with the other players they are freeing up by playing man. Pressurre breeds mistakes. Fear makes other teams game plan different. Under RR they could watch any tape over the last five years and game plan off of it because we never change.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:47 am
NC – Moved on to another conspiracy theroy huh NC?!! Sure, Big AL is involved with player selection and evaluation. However, I’m sure you just conviently forgot that after both drafts Kiffin, your self appointed hero and your #1 ant-Big AL guy specifically said we got the guy’s we wanted not Big AL got the guy’s he wanted. Yet the lies continue. Art said he got the players he wanted after the draft, etc. Getting Randy Moss was a deal that Big AL made and Art said that Moss was finished and Kiffin told Big AL that he didn’t want Moss so Big AL traded Moss for basically nothing. Big AL works with his coaches to get them what the want and need. Look at the wholesale changes to the roster from Art’s year to this year. We have basically a new roster of players and Kiffin is still whining. Kiffin was hired based on his supposed knowledge of offense yet the offense still stinks. I wouldn’t have given him control over the defense either. Kiffin hasn’t fixed the offense so why would Big AL trust him to handle the defense?
September 12th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Trust me hayes i dont care where you work…. you post to me say raiders coporate head qtrs. Does not matter to me one bit. Right now you hold zero weight with me.
I notice you put a lot of thought time effort into your post nice. Still doesnt change the fact that we are 19-62…
September 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I agree with HayesDaze if you are going to address people in a professional manner you will need to mind your syntax.
I also agree that when blogging you shouldn’t be concerned with grammar as much as you would be in writing a business letter.
Imagine if lawyers were as lazy as us bloggers and legal contracts were written with bad grammar?
back to the problem at hand:
What I saw from RR reminded me of the famous Joe Bugel speech when he was on his way out.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:50 am
new thread dorks!!!!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:52 am
The biggest problem that I see with our defense is that it does not match our offense. That is why you have a head coach to coordinate both sides of the ball (and ST’s). We are a running team, that plays a conservative ball control offense, to counter that we need an aggressive defense that can stop the run. Instead we have a defense that is built to slow down offenses, rather than attack them. That kind of defense is suited to a quick-strike, high scoring offense. Furthermore our defensive personnel aren’t suited for this scheme. The D-line is just dreadful, not suited for any scheme, they can’t blitz and they can’t stop the run. The LB’s are quick, excellent blitzers, but they never do, instead they are left to stop the run, even though they don’t excel at that. DeAngelo is a cover corner, he needs help from the safety to be at his best, but we are putting him on an island, which doesn’t sit well with his risk-taking style.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:55 am
NC – For the record I am pretty certain that you are nothing more than a pathetic Charger fan attempting to get the greatest football Nation in the World up at arms against one another. How is not supporting my life long favorite team going to make my team better? I love football to much and I love the Raiders to much to fall for some hair-brained scheme cooked up by some jealous Charger fan. No SB’s, no winning tradition yeah I’d be bitter too. The Nation doesn’t need you our your schemes. Once Ryan and Kiffin are fired we will start getting back on the right track.
September 12th, 2008 at 11:57 am
They look confused and lost in that secondary to often in the game.Ryan in a man of pride,but the defense has not been very good for a long-long time.
Why can’t we bring Huff on a blitz.He did very well in college.
i DON’T KNOW WHY THIS DEFENSE GETS DICTATED TO SO MUCH!
September 12th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Big Al, sorry wrong answer… Been a member of the NATION since 1970. 1 favorite player of all time Kenny “THE SNAKE” Stabler. Favorite team of all time the 76′ RAIDERS. BEST team of all time in my opinion the 76′ RAIDERS. I will allways bleed S&B, even if we go 0-20. lol ….nice reach but wrong.
So big Al what Dept do you work for in the Raiders org?
September 12th, 2008 at 11:59 am
A different take on Ryan and his “approach” to his players- it is the same one with Al Davis and the players, IMHO. That leaves THE PLAYERS WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. This has gone on too long with the Raidahs. Maybe it’s just Ryan’s modus operandi but it is also the Davis way and it has run its course in Oakland. No player accountability, lack of discipline, not enuf talent, ? work habits- these are the 4 things that Kiffin’s been trying to change and he’s not allowed to. This team and franchise are going no where under Al Davis. It is the laughingstock of the NFL. Sad……
September 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Screw Al:
I would start Maroney, Turner & Fargas. Ricky Williams is going to steal a lot of Brown’s carries this season. Brown was a stud before the injury last year, but he’s got a whole new coaching staff and team around him this season. Plus Fargas ripped the Chiefs both times we played them last year. He looked good Monday night, but we weren’t able to run very much because Denver got a lead. 27-0 at halftime means a lot of passing in the 2nd half!
I expect the Raider to run early and often. Hopefully we score first and keep scoring, because our defense looked terrible! Curry’s drop, Russell’s fumble, the bad calls & ball spots certainly didn’t help either… I like what I saw from Chaz & Ashley though
September 12th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
S&B,
Good points, all. Thanks for throwing down.
Einstein,
Keep touting the family theme, baby, till we get back to “just winning.”
And for the folks thinking about the Raider personnel/staff posting on here… I WISH I WORKED FOR THE RAIDERS. I would do my damnedest to keep that job till we won at least one more Super Bowl. Can you imagine being paid to be a Raiders fan, and having opportunities to hear things from inside those closed walls? Of course things would have to be confidential, and when discussing confidential things you necessarily have to be vague and obfuscating.
Two more days till we have a chance to show up as a football team.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Guamanian Raider,
Good points. I never looked at it like that. Hafa adai!
September 12th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
As far as what Ryan said…
Hell yeah it’s on you Ryan. Tell us something we don’t know. And spare us your resume because right about now it ain’t worth the paper its written on. Tampa 2? Are you serious? We have corners who specialize in man to man coverage and your playing Tampa 2? When have the Raiders ever been a zone defense team. We play MAN TO FRICKIN MAN and its up to our guys to win their match ups. Stupid MF! if we haven’t gotten to the QB ALL GAME, you need to adjust and start blitzing. You blitz young QB’s right? Force them into errors right? Moron! Our LB’s are still soft against the run and so is Huff when it comes to tackling. No one was anywhere good enough defensively or along the O-line and they owe us more. And damn it I for one want whats owed to me. They owe it to themselves and their team. Work smarter and harder period or spare us and quit.
September 12th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Okay,
I was at the game on Monday. What happen Monday has not happened to our pass defense in a long time. I was pissed and could not understand what the hell was going on.
I will say this, Ryan run d has been suspect, but the pass d has been good (not great).
During the game I was asking Ryan’s job. Let’s see what happens on Sunday against the chiefs. If it is anything like Monday, I am writing to Al myself.
September 12th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
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September 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
STOP THIS!!! THIS ALL MUST STOP!!!LET THIS SEASON UNFOLD
September 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Henderson starting at LT is not the type of uplifting news I was hoping for after last weeks debacle. Sounds like it will be a bad day to try to pass. Hopefully we’ll keep a FB/RB on that side to help out on pass protection and not get Russell killed. Fargas and McFadden running to the right should be our bread and butter on offense this Sunday.
Im also hoping that Wilson will be ok for sunday. KC will be running the ball a lot and we’ll need his help tackling in the box.
Hoping for a better showing by our boys this Sunday…
September 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
even tho its all f***ed up and Kiffin is acting like a little schoolgirl in the media we should beat the chiefs because Herm Edwards is an overrated coach and we will all go to bed with smiles on our drunken faces Sunday night…………but it still wont make anything change, I’m prepared to ride this Al Davis thing out….he might be outta touch, but I know he cares, he just wont let this team win anymore, just make Al watch old games from the seventies while the real games are being played it will all get better in a hurry….>>
September 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Al to self “dammit when did Sistrunk unretire”
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