Wilson not practicing
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, September 11th, 2008 at 11:42 am in Oakland Raiders.
Gibril Wilson was not in pads and without a helmet Thursday as the Raiders went through warmups and drills before starting the team session in preparation for Sunday’s game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Returning to practice were left tackle Kwame Harris (knee), defensive end Derrick Burgess (back), safety Tyvon Branch (shoulder) and cornerback DeAngelo Hall (elbow).
More to come after practice and media sessions . . .
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September 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Hell: The Raiders are trying to climb out of it.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I feel I must clarify my point. I am not saying Kiffin’s offense blows or that he is the problem. I think he is in over his head. Like I said before he would be better served as an OC or someything else, because he is breaking every rule when it comes to solidarity within an organization as the HC. Even if the Raiders were Safeway, his behavior wouldn’t fly. As the boss you don’t sell your subordinates down the river, even if they deserve it. You take the heat and handle it in house.
I guess Terrapin and Lefty don’t understand this.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
NATION!!!! i will order over 200 signs and have them delivered to someone. i need that someone to hand them out in front of the gates and the whole NATION has to picket together!
who’s in? i am fortuante enough to afford the expense. gauranteed!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am
why wasn’t he not practicing?
September 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Order the signs and go to the game. Maybe we should get a commercial filmed or take out a newspaper spot to petition the games?
September 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Marley,
Kiffin said last week, that he didn’t see the Denver game and it’s rivalry as anything different, “just another game, why should we play better against them over any other team”
I can guarantee, Mike Shanahan doesn’t feel that way, nor Marty Schotheimer.
He’s young, not from around here. He’s young!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:52 am
All of these guys out after one frickin game. This was a serious ass whoopin up and down the roster.
Hopefully Kiff is not stupid enough to pull a Javon on all of these guys.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:53 am
KK
excellent point
September 11th, 2008 at 11:53 am
I agree RaiderDogg. At this point Kiff is hurtin us more than helpin.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:54 am
i am ordering the signs right now…
i need some ideas on wha to put on the signs? any suggestions?
September 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am
You must be kidding me. Kiffin over his head? You don’t get wins in this league if you’re over your head. You don’t even display a respectable offense if you’re over your head (Walsh ring a bell).
Solidarity within the organization? What f’kn solidarity? Mr. Davis through that sht out the window a long time ago. This offseason as a matter of fact with Kiffin.
Kiffin wanted a new DC b/c Ryan sucked. Thats what you are supposed to do to better your organization – i.e. get rid of the weak links. If you want to fire someone & they know you wanted them fired what makes you think you are going to get along anymore? I know I wouldn’t trust that SOB.
Davis should’ve gave Kiffin what he wanted then b/c Ryan did NOTHING to justify keeping him – NOTHING!! Now we have this mess.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am
lefty12 Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Dakota-remember what i said last week what would happen if we lost.well,it’s happening.
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Well, I guess it was not just the fact that we lost, but the way that we lost and the reasons behind that farce of a game, lol.
The straw that broke the camel’s back.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Repost:
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I called and the woman forwarded me to the PR department, and then I had to leave a message. I said I was a concerned long-time Raider fan from SD and that I am disgusted in how Al Davis has handled the Kiffin Situation and by how Rob Ryan has not been held responsible for the awful efforts of our defense over the last few years, and that the fact that Al Davis even attempts to participate in the scheming of the defensive game plan is repulsive. I told them that I will refrain from purchasing Raider gear until Al steps down as GM and Head Coach.
I’ll bet no one listens to that message, lol.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
It’s starts with Al DAVIS
September 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
WOW Jerry is such a wealth of information and knowledge.
Wilson not in pads and not practicing. Gee, really? Cool, thanks Jerry. I’m sure there isn’t a single person who read that statement that isn’t possibly thinking WTF is wrong with Gibril. I didn’t see him hurt in the game did anyone else?
But hey, we don’t need to know what is wrong with him do we?
Jerry is an F’n tool.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
How the f8K is Kiffin hurting the team more than he’s helping? You want Rob Ryan to run this damn team? Will that help? Congratulations you’re now looking 0-16 right in the face!!!!
How the hell is it hurting by pointing out what is wrong? It only hurts if you are in denial and can’t deal with reality! With all due respect.
Look at the facts as they are. It is what it is. The offense is improving and the defense continues to STINK!! And Rob Ryan has been there throughout.
Still, I think this defense has enough talent to turn it around. But he must get aggressive with it b/c the front 4 is not that strong.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Daktoa did you ask them who the female harvenger of death was standing behind Al? Or are you and I still the only one’s who noticed her?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Terrapin
I have a feeling if Kiffin had total control and things didn’t work out he would still defelct blame in the media. He needs to learn when to STFU.
Sorry if you don’t see that but that’s ok. If we all agreed this place would be boring.
I agree with OG in that the stats you presented are not a direct reflection of the entire game.
Also I never said it was all Kiffin’s fault. I do think that the players don’t respect Kiffin at all for his antics in the media. They also know he has no real power but still his media crap is Bush League.
Also Kiffin IS over his head whether you realize it or not. How many wins has Kiffin gotten for this team? 17 games, 4 wins. This league is about winning not whining.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Gentlemen,
For those of you that were not part of the discussion yesterday, I thought I would bring it to your attention that we all have an opportunity here to make our voices heard. Outside of the confines of this blog, the world needs to hear that we are fed up with the tyrant that is Al Davis.
I am personally tired of the dumb comments that I recieve from coworkers, and even people in the stores when I wear my Howie or Lester Hayes jersey proudly.
We have longed for change, and change there will be, but we have to collectively be interested in change. Hopefully by the end of next week, we will have a new website up and running…..it goes by the name of buytheraiders.com……the wheels are in motion Nation……I have personally made contact with the commissioners office and the NFL Network to let them know that we are serious and we are done with the false hopes that Mr. Davis continues to place in front of us, only to find that he pulls the carpet right out from under our feet.
But I must insist, this is not about the long History of the Raiders. Mr. Davis has been very good to us for a long time and that will not be forgotten. But the time is now and the time is right, for the Nation Collective to make a stand against the continuous rhetoric that is tearing our team apart.
I love the Raiders enough to put my foot forward and I hope you all do too.
If that is the case, from this point forward so that you distinguish yourself from the individuals who would like to continue to live in the dark, let it be known by adding Nation Collective to your name…..
There will be more details to follow……..
September 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Hey Htown….throw it up again………….
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Chaos I truly admire your dedication bro. I really do. I applaud you man, and I can really feel your pain. Keep it up man.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Terrapin
for the record I don’t want Ryan or Davis making decisions either. My opinion on Kiffin is based solely on him and his own actions. Don’t get me started about the other 2 stooges.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Not blitzing ever is like putting “lipstick on a pig”.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Terrapin I’m not advocating that Kiff gets fired. Davis and Ryan probably need to go first. But he is NOT acting like an NFL head coach.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Dakota Post 17
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….Al must go…….
September 11th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
the def doesn’t just stink-it gets worse every year.two constants-Al Davis,R.Ryan.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
You guys really are delusional.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
If Rob Ryan ever becomes head coach of the Raiders I am done…. Let’s hope that Monday was a wake up call, and we don’t ever see a showing like that again, maybe these guys will actually come out with some fire this time. I really hope so because I’ll be at the game.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Oakglenn-he isn’t working for a typical NFL organization.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Kiffen completely embarressed his players by going for that fourth down in the 4th quarter at his own 20. He has never manned up and excited ANY responsibility for what is going on. I only think he is a small part of the problem, but he definately is part of the problem. And we need to quite trying to say one side of the ball is more to blame than the other. The D was obviously terrible and we didn’t score any points through 3 quarters at home against an average defense.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Einstein…….I share in the dedicated truth of all Raider Fans………We are all tired and someone has to speak out…..I am glad to see that there are many of you who are willing to give that few minutes it takes to call the facility and make then hear us…..the ones who put the bread on the table…..the ones who go to the Raider Images and buy the gear…..and spend all of your hard earned dollars every week to buy the NFL Package and have bar b q’s at the games and fly the flag high……we as the nation have to stand up for what is right…..and right now Al Davis is not right……..
September 11th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Regarding KK’s post #6
Sorry to repost:
# Oakglenn Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
KK, I thought the same thing. Here is Lane thinking “oh well, Mike Shanahan is my friend, it’s all good”.
Now Here comes Shanahan with a machete in his hand to lop Kiffs head off on National TV. Shanahan would have put a 70 spot up on the board if he could have. Wonder if Kiff still thinks they are friends.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Obviously fellas, there is a lot of truth to the rumors that the media is floating around about Kiffin blabbing off at the mouth because he could care less if he had the job or not. I don’t believe he wants to get fired though, and I think he is trying his damndest, yet at the same time, I don’t think he’ll hold his tounge for anything considering the ’situation’ with Ryan and Davis. Davis has to at least admire the kid for not backing down off of that stance. Turner and Callahan never had the heart to say crap about how the organization is run. Shell of course was loyal to a fault so we don’t even have to get into that. Kiff’s only problem is believing that if he continues to say something about how the organization is run, Al will change.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Hey Vegas…….he is like us bro…..fed up and he is sending a message…..you F*%^ with us……we will make your life hell……..Welcome to the Raider Nation……………
September 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dakota:
I got it bro, the femaled angel of death standing behind Al was the lady that answers the phone. She came up to Al’s booth to ask him WTF she is supposed to say to all the callers on Monday morning and throuhout the week that want him FIRED.
CHAOS:
You should have an Active X program on your web page with Donald Trump pointing to Al saying… “You’re Fired”…
September 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Right on OG
I don’t see the offense’s improvement as Terp does. I saw an O-line that couldn’t pass block to save their lives. I saw wr’s dropping balls and getting zero seperation. I saw a drive killing reverse play call at the end of the half when the Raiders desperately needed points.
The running game improved last year, not this year. Yes they can run the ball, but as soon as they try to pass no one up front knows what the hell they are doing.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Einstein….I will make it happen bro…….
September 11th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Rob Ryan needs to go, but that won’t happen until Al goes.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Terrapin Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am
You must be kidding me. Kiffin over his head? You don’t get wins in this league if you’re over your head.
I don’t know Terp. 4-13 or a .235 lifetime winning percentage is not a lot of wins in this league. And I can break down every game he’s coached and show knucklehead moves Kiffs made that did not help his own cause. Keeping the reigns on Jam, and stalling the drive to end the 2nd half come to mind in the last game. I’m not saying get rid of him, but he no longer gets the pass he got last year. Honeymoon is over.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
E-mail them at: feedback@raiders.com
At least voice your opinion. It probably will not do much, but it is better than just sitting around and doing nothing.
I sent them links to this blog and told them if they wanted a true sense of the mindset of the Raider Nation they should read this blog, lol.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Repost:
From Goodell’s NFL.com Q&A:
Commish, I’m in the military and had a great visit with you when you came to visit us in Kabul, Afghanistan. (I was the guy with the Raider flag) That was one of the highlights of my deployment. A few weeks prior to your visit we had Eric Davis and Coach Nolan come see us. Do you envision more NFL coaches & players supporting additional visits to military bases next year? I hope so, it was huge to see guys make the extra commitment to come see us and show their support.
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Raider support all the way to Afghanistan. Fighting a war and being part of the Raider Nation with his Raider flag.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Einstein,
I think you might be on to something there! #36, lol
September 11th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Even if Kiffen didn’t believe any of this was his fault, there is plenty of coaches in all sports who deflect the blame to protect his players. You earn a lot of respect in locker rooms when you do that. Kiffen refuses to accept any blame, and that may not lose any players respect, but it sure isn’t helping him gain any either
September 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Terrapin
When you are going into your 17th game as a Coach and your offense scores 0 points in 3 quarters….it´s not improving.
Let me ask anyone this..
If I had told you before the game that Denver would score 17 points in the 1st Half would you have said: you are crazy and don´t know what you are talking about?.
I don´t think so.
But what if I had told you that the Offense would be held scoreless after 3 quarters?.
You would have cursed me out and told me I was crazy and stupid.
What exactly were you people expecting the Defense to do on MNF?.
I don´t know about you but I knew Denver would move the ball on us, it was Mike Shanahann, one of the best play-callers of this era vs Rob Ryan, enough said.
I expected Denver to score 10-14 points in the 1st Half, they scored 17.
But I was also expecting our offense to do their part as well, I expected a 3 to 6 point lead tops for either team at the Half.
We weren´t up against the Steel Curtain.
Shanahan comes ready to play, we know he scripts his first 15 plays every game and then runs them no matter what.
But Denver ususally tails off as the game goes on and I expected us to be in a position to win the game in the 2nd half, but you can´t win when you are down 27-0 after 3 quarters, 27-0…that means you didn´t show up on defense and you didn´t show up on offense.
This has got to be the only place were an offense does not score a point after 3 quarters and doesn´t even reach the opponets 20 until the 4th quarter…and someone is actually claiming that the offense looked good.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
NEED ADVICE:
I live in SoCal, I have spent thousands of dollars on the Raiders through gear, NFL Sunday ticket, going to the games etc.. Most of all I have spent blood, sweat, and tears on the Raiders since I took a dive head first out of the uterus that fine spring evening in May 1974.
Who do I speak with when I call? Who do I ask for?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Look out everyone, if you disagree with Terrapin you must be delusional.
I could say the same about you Terrapin. You are so blinded by your love of Kiffin that you are failing to see the forest through the trees.
That’s ok, perception is reality right? In that sense we are all delusional.
It is kind of immature to insult people because they don’t agree with you, instead of accepting the fact that everyone has an opinion and respecting that.
Oh well, maybe you can call the media and sell us all out. That’s what Kiffin would do. Al Davis would just fire your a$$ and Rob Ryan wouldn’t let you blitz no matter how much you wanted to.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
right Dogg and who makes up the roster-AD.Kiffin can go out and block or catch the passes,that’s on the players Davis has assembled.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
lefty
learn to read. I am not going to completely re-hash my point, again, just because you fail to grasp the concept.
I have said several times that it isn’t all Kiffins fault. He is just acting like a little b*tch to the media. Everyone is to blame.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Man, those questions for the commish were all major softballs. One idiot asked what the GU 63 patch was about. Ridiculous. So much for getting an answer out of Goodell.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
E-mail the NFL Network and see if Adam Shefter will pick this story up:
nfln.fans@nfl.com
I am going to e-mail them and give them links to this blog, and who knows, maybe our discontent will be on Total Access, and we know Al will not ignore that, lol.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
OK. I’m going to try to refrain from disrespecting people. Its just that some things appear so clear to me that I don’t have the patience for other povs sometimes.
A few things to point out: No other coach in the NFL is in the same predicament as Lane Kiffin. What other team’s HC has no control over one side of the ball with the owner ad-lipping on the game plan? What other team’s HC faces the same restraints as Kiffin? Kiffin can’t reach out to any other coach in the LEAGUE b/c no other coach faces the same problems as he is w/ this management structure!
So spare me your feelings about how he acts different than other coaches in the league when those coaches situations are not even in the same ball park as his.
No one will agree 100% with someone’s coaching style or the plays they call. What matters is ARE YOU GETTING THE JOB DONE!! Thats all that matters in this league. Kiffin’s getting what he can control done. Ryan aint’ getting jack done with what he controls!
The players don’t seem too concerned as you guys seem to be about Kiffin coaching style. All I keep hearing is “Kiffin tells it like it is”. “The whole offensive staff tells it like it is”. They don’t hide jack from the players and tell them they’re all great players like our defensive staff (RR) does. Don’t be concerned about a Professional Player’s feelings. Let them be concerned about that!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
I agree with Marley 110%
September 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Oh and that was not an endorsement of the defense or Ryan by any means, it´s just reality. I didn´t expect much from them and they didn´t “dissapoint”…But I expected a lot more from the offense.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
It’s funny Dogg, I thought they should just run at Denver like Kiff said they would, because it was a good matchup, and it takes the heat off your young QB.
But I would’ve started the game with a slant pass, and then went to the run just to keep the Denver D thinking. The fact the Kiff opened with 8 straight runs screwed up everything. Initially it worked well, because Denver was thinking pass, but then their defense tighened up and it ended up PUTTING PRESSURE ON JAM TO MAKE PLAYS. The one long pass that almost put us back in the game, was A FREAKING BUSTED PLAY! Kiff didn’t call that. The one good call I liked, was the pass on 3rd and 1. That was a solid gutsy call, which will help in future games. But that was about it.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
excellent posts Vegas and Bob Marley
September 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
RaiderDogg,
Refresh my memory, who hired Kiffin again?
You are right, Kiff is going about this all wrong, almost as if he wants to get fired and no longer really cares.
Wow, a college assistant offensive coordinator isn’t even willing to put up with Al, for this job anymore.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
What was it 6 blown 4Q leads and now all that’s Kiffin’s fault too? You guys just keep the excuses comin’ bub. Yeah RR is the golden boy and Al Davis is untouchable. Kiffin points out the problems and no one wants to hear it. Its called dealing with reality.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
take your own advise Dogg!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
If we are all going to attempt to send mass emails to Shefter or PFT, it would make sense to have a common thread, so that they are all noticed easier. I suggest that everyone use the exact same subject line for your email. Something like “Raider Nation Collective” or “Raider Nation to Boycott Al Davis” something catchy that will be noticed by interns stuck filtering through these emails.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
RaiderDogg–What should he do in the press conference; Lie??? He is being asked questions on subjects that he formally has no responsibility for. Therefore he has no choice but to defer the question of defense and personnel to Rob Ryan and “the owner”. If he sat there and said “no comment” or “I can’t answer that” we all would be thinking “he’s incompetent” Those sessions with the media are called press conferences. The coach is supposed to answer the quesstions to the best of his ability. As the designated “head coach” his chief job as spokesperson is to answer media questions. No matter how unpleasant the answer may be.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
This has got to be the only place were an offense does not score a point after 3 quarters and doesn´t even reach the opponets 20 until the 4th quarter…and someone is actually claiming that the offense looked good.
Bob that is exactly right. When you lose 41-14 EVERYONE takes some blame. Jay Cutlers Jersey WAS ACTUALLY GETTING CLEANER as the game wore on. I didn’t know that was even possible. Blame Al for giving us Defensive linemen who can’t play. Ryan had no answers, Kiff got us a whole 7 points in 59 minutes. Did I miss something?????
September 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Terrapin:
If Kiffen wants to deal with reality, the reality is HIS team, on both sides of the ball, was not ready to play and extremely undisciplined. Both are direct relations to coaching. I hate Rob and AD more than Kiffen, but he gets no pass here. As one post said “the honeymoon is over”
September 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Lefty – ok, I guess. Sorry if I was rude. Not intended. I will re-read your posts and see if I can discern anything that I didn’t the first go round.
Terrapin – you know how I feel and I am not saying everything is Kiffs fault, I just think he handles media stuff all wrong. The REALITY of the situation sucks all around.
BBB -
The mmajority if not all of the blame falls directly on Al’s doorstep and I have never said otherwise.
OG -
Did you notice how Denver’s offense started the game with 3 tricky/misdirection/gadget type of plays? All of those plays wren’t intended to work as much as they were intended to set up more plays for later. Keep the defense honest so to speak. Even if you can run the ball down a teams throat you should still mix it up at the beginning of the game to keep them guessing.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Kiffin is sounding more and more like a man who knows he is leaving…and soon. He has almost stopped caring about Davis and Ryan…they can’t touch him.
Has he been told he’s finished and is just working his notice? I doubt it. Kiffin wouldn’t keep something like that quiet.
No, I suspect that Kiff has an exit strategy. College or NFL?
He’s given up on the Raiders organisation but, I think he still has enough pride and professionalism to keep working with this offense.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Marley – I already addressed the offense not scoring until 4Q, but just for you I’ll repost it. The post still applies to this conversation. I can’t keep saying over and over that the offense is a work in progress; but the defense should already have its sht together!!!
# Terrapin Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I can see that a few of you just won’t stay sober to see clearly the problem here. I can’t do much to clarify things for you. Its not up to me. YOU have to be able to objectively see for yourselves.
Through 1 week of football TOTAL OFFENSE ranked 18th TOTAL DEFENSE ranked 29th.
We all know Kiffin doesn’t call the defensive plays. We all know Al Davis has some involvement with the defense. Why some of you guys simply ignore this fact is beyond me.
That 41pts could’ve been much worse if the offense scored early and often. MUCH WORSE! That defense looked like Art Shell’s 2006 offense.
I am under no illusions. The offense is a work in progress esp in the passing attack. YOU ALL KNOW THIS! So why do you expect them to be playing lights out the 1st game of the season with the holes they have???
Yet, they could’ve put up a lot more than 14pts. Try 28pts! That 4th down fumble by Jam cost us 7 (and the noncall on ZM) and that drop – take you pick – by Curry cost 7pts. And you guys are bagging the offense?!?!?
GET REAL! What I just pointed out above is the reason WHY we didn’t score till’ the 4Q! Denver couldn’t stop us – we stopped ourselves. But that’s what young offenses with subpar talent in certain areas do. Not surprising.
The defense on the other hand? They couldn’t stop sht despite having pro bowl talent across the board and veteran presence. Rob Ryan f’ked that game up big time from the 1st drive! More him than Davis to be honest b/c he is calling the plays on the field.
And you nitwits calling for Kiffin firing are beyond belief ignorant. I’m serious. Why the f*K would you want to fire someone who’s actually getting “what they control” right? You give him more control. Thats what you do. You don’t fire the damn guy. Thats moronic.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
S&B, Kiffin is asking a female sideline reporter for advice on how to win a game on national television. Clearly he had no answers or he would have said what they were.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Fire Kiffin
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I have some work to do…see ya.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Kiffin has done nada to deserve more power
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Terrapin
you keep mentioning making excuses and berating people for doing so, yet that is exactly what Kiffin is doing in the media. You can’t have it both ways.
In your view everyone should be fired except Kiffin? I think everyone has a hand in this nonsense. Stop making excuses for an inexperienced, immature HC that doesn’t have any experience running a football team on any level.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
OG -
Did you notice how Denver’s offense started the game with 3 tricky/misdirection/gadget type of plays? All of those plays wren’t intended to work as much as they were intended to set up more plays for later. Keep the defense honest so to speak. Even if you can run the ball down a teams throat you should still mix it up at the beginning of the game to keep them guessing.
That my friend is exactly right! We didn’t do that. In fact we did the exact opposite.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Okay I e-mailed NFL Network. Please do the same at:
nfln.fans@nfl.com
The more people who contect them, the more likely the network will carry the story.
This is what I wrote:
Dear NFL Network,
Please pass this message on to Adam Shefter, we all know he hates the Raiders anyhow, so he might like reporting this story. The Raider Nation is up in arms at the current state of the Oakland Raiders. Many fans are incredulous at how Al Davis decided to retain Rob Ryan and ask Kiffin for his resignation. Many of us are tired of Al Davis’ meddling ways and are calling for him to step aside as GM and assistant defensive coordinator. The largest Raider blog on the internet can give you a taste of the current mindset of the Raider Nation. Please visit these links for more information:
(I sent them links to Kiffin review and Kiffin leaves defense to Rob and Al)
Thousands of comments on these blogs should give you an idea at how explosive the situation currently is; people discussing boycotts of games and merchandise, attempts to organize a web site for the fans to voice their concerns and even thoughts of an attempted buyout of the team.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
If Lane Kiffen loses more games and gets fired, he will not transition into another NFL head coaching gig. Certainly college, but the NFL doesn’t hire coaches with .250 winning percantages, no matter how s**tty the situation was
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Inside the 10 yardline a mike bush sighting would have…….we know farglass and dmac arent getting those tough yards in goaline scenarios
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
yep, plenty of blame to go around…
Lane Kiffin: hired by Al Davis after Steve Sarkisian turned down the job.
Rob Ryan: hired by Al Davis and retained by Al Davis after the head coach asked for a new D-coordinator
DeAngelo Hall: Signed by Al Davis in the off-season, instead of paying Nhamdi
JaMarcus Russell: Drafted by Al Davis, and subsequently held out of camp because of negotiations
Gibril Wilson: Signed by Al Davis in the off-season
D-Line: Warren, Kelly and Burgess are all Davis signings
O-Line: Gallery, Grove are Al picks, and so far Henderson is the only O-lineman we have drafted to fit the line scheme.
Curry: Al Davis scholarship superstar
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
# Brien Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Kiffin has done nada to deserve more power
Brien that is the entire point.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Kiffin starts curry and keeps him in after the obvious terrible play he showed is beyond me
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
It starts with Al Davis. Tom Walsh as OC. Art Shell. Davis giving input for the Defense… Wow.
Good experience for Kiffin. He will taking these lessons and apply it somewhere else where there aren’t as many organizational challenges – it’s hard enough trying to win in the league, but to have to fight challenges and disputes in the front office is just ridiculous…
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Dakota you should run for president. You are an agent of change
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
just dropped in to see what was going on…this blog has gone nuts!
oakglenn, bobmarley and raiderdogg seem to be the only reasonable guys on this blog…
kiffin is in way over his head…this isn’t powderpuff…it’s the NFL!
not here to defend Rob Ryan, the defense was a disaster…but Kiff’s effort to fire him last year via the media was another example of what a joke he is…
he had a great opportunity (one which is father has always wanted)…remember there are only 32 of these jobs and many owners are far worse than AD…
his job is to lead…leaders don’t throw their players, coaches (and owner) under the bus when they lose! how does he get players to play for a “team” when he is all about himself…
al might be a tough guy to work for, but what owner isn’t? Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson after winning 2 super bowls! Would you rather work for the ownership of the Bengals (Marvin Lewis seems to be in control there, huh?)? How about the Cardinals? Redskins? Rams? 49ers? Could go on and on…
this guy needs to go back to a booth upstairs where he can make suggestions to a real head coach!
hopefully AD will correct things before this goes any further…
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
ya Oak,you’re right.Kiffin fumbled when a completed pass would have been a TD by DM.Kiffin not Curry dropped a sure TD pass.Kiffin not Curry(again) slowed down on a bomb that would have been a TD.Kiffin also overthrew has WRs on 2 other sure TDs.Kiffin isn’t perfect,but you can’t put this one on him.BTW,ask any coach how difficult it is when the steamroll starts.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
If Kiffin was let go, I would hope he does not sign a confidentiality agreement so he can disclose what really goes on in Oakland. I want to hear all the details. That may be the only way to put the screws to AD and Ryan.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Kiffin offense= gruden offense………very boring and non challenging to a team
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
The guy has no control over the defense. How many times must this be pointed out. So why should he take responsibility for it? B/c his title says HC? But in reality its Senior OC. That like Jam taking responsibility for the defense getting raped for 41pts.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
S&B
Is Every head coach in the NFL honest at their press conferences? That’s kind of naive to think that. Just ask Bill Belichek how honest he is or even Mike Nolan for that matter.
There are plenty of cliche’s available in that situation such as “Our defense needs to address some areas of concern” or “we just didn’t get it done out there” and the list goes on and on.
Bill Cowher after the SB loss to the Cowboys, when O’Donnel threw 2 picks to basically lose the game for the Steelers, did Cowher say “It’s the OC’s fault” or did he say “O’Donnell sucked it up out there”? No he said some coachspeak and then behind closed doors he tore O’Donnell a new a-hole. Does any of this make sense to you?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Colts starting defensive tackle Ed Johnson was arrested on a drug possession charge early Wednesday, the team said it would waive him.
Pick him up Al!!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Kiffin wants Harris as LT…….Green at RT and Grove at center…………please send his ass on
September 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I guess Al Davis made Kiffin start Lelie when you got young guys like Schilens,higgins and Watkins who deserve that spot since they been here all off season busting thier butts
September 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
vegas raider Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Dakota you should run for president. You are an agent of change
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I am not old enough yet, but in 2012, watch out!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Yeah I’ll vote for Dakota…………fascism is coming back yeah baby!!! Which number will I take for the concentration camp?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Terrapin
If that´s your “answer”…we´ll leave it at that.
I didn´t expect the offense to be a steamroller, but I sure as hell didn´t expect a big round 0 after 3 quarters and no red zone trips until the 4th.
And I´m pretty sure you didn´t either.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
al made Kiffin try to run trick plays early in the season?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Terrapin and Lefty
I apologize for not making my point clear enough to either of you. You both seem to completely miss the entire point of my posts. No biggie. Have a good day.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Brien Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Yeah I’ll vote for Dakota…………fascism is coming back yeah baby!!! Which number will I take for the concentration camp?
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You’ll have your own special camp, way up north…
muhahahahaha
September 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Lefty
We’re arguing with the mob bro. They’re completely unreasonable. No one is saying Kiffin is perfect or the offense is perfect. No one expected the offense to be perfect. If you did you clearly set the bar way to high given the rookies in the lineup.
Of course Kiffin bears responsibility within that loss; but its minor compared to the responsibility that defense (which he doesn’t control) bears.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
This isnt college and we dont have it right now to run trick plays so early in the season……..Kiffin’s playcalling stinks
September 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Guys, we’re not building rockets here. It doesn’t take a genius to see that Kiffin is not the problem. Is he the best coach in the league? No. Does he have a lot to learn? Yes. But you need to ask yourself why we’ve been total crap for the last decade. I realize we had a good run during the Gannon/Gruden era, but Al can’t take all the credit for that. If he has superior scouting ability and predicted that Gannon would be an MVP, then what the hell has happened in the last five drafts?
No coach can succeed here that wants to run the proper system/schemes. It’s a “take-it-or-leave-it” scenario with Al and the best we will ever get is a talented coach that is willing to be a puppet. At the end of the day, regardless of how good the coach is, we need talent. Al Davis is fully responsible for that.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Thanks dakota it means alot………….Zeig Heil the republican party
September 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
one thing ill give the reupublicans credit for……they do know how to pick hot pieces of ass……..mcain’s wife and palin can invite me into their black holes anyday we dont have to duscuss politics
September 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Hey the Raiders are only 3.5 point underdogs Sunday. Two of our wins last year were at home to Denver and in Kansas City. If we don’t win Sunday, not a whole lot of wins left on the schedule
September 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Terp
actually you guys are the only ones that refuse to see that WE ARE NOT just blaming everything on Kiffin. But you guys go ahead and cling to that if it makes you feel better.
Arguing with the mob or arguing with reality? Depends on where your sitting I guess.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
YOU KNOW THINGS HAVE BEEN UGLY FOR A WHILE, WHEN THE SPORTS MEDIA STARTS FEELING SORRY FOR THE RAIDER FANS.
BLITZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
The crisis will escalate when Knapp, Cable and Rathman all announce their move to the Seahawks to work for Jim Mora. None of them have contracts with the Raiders, none of them were selected by Al Davis.
Perhaps Davis has written off this season and will look to start afresh with a new Head Coach, a new OC and a new coaching team – apart from Lofton – in 2009.
Just pathetic. Why doesn’t he just sack Kiffin? Kiffin is rubbishing Davis in the media on a daily basis. Davis obviously can’t stand Kiffin and wants rid. It can’t be money related because Davis is happy to waste millions on losers like Walker and Hall.
It makes no sense. As much as I like Kiffin and think that he will make a top class NFL coach one day, this dispute is killing this franchise. The easiest solution (not the best but, the easist) would be for Davis to fire Kiffin, take the flak and appoint his own man to the job. At least then we would have a united coaching staff.
Unless Knapp, Cable and Rathman have said they would walk if Kiff got fired. And Davis can’t hold them – because they don’t have contracts.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Post 11,
Nailed it!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Man all in all the Raiders are not as bad as they looked Monday night…….team got too much talent to stink like this………but Kiffin must go and didnt want to be here since the middle of last season………..you guys would keep someone who doesn’t want to be kept? You want to keep someone who takes shots at the owner through the media like he just did with the kc media? come on
September 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Marley – Is the “answer” debatable? I think not which is why you didn’t bother. This game is about making plays and those plays weren’t made which cost us pts.
To say the offense didn’t score in 3Qs if a FACT. But to imply that they could not have scored or did not come close to scoring is completely inaccurate. Just saying they didn’t score in 3Qs misses everything before then.
The play calls were there. The execution by the players was not. So you can blame him for not having the players executing properly – be my guest – but its not as strong of an argument than implying that the offense (i.e. Kiffni’s playcalling) was incompetent for 3Qs which you are implying.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I think many of you spend too much time in the Raiders bubble, ignoring the national media. Get on ESPN, SI, Sporting News, etc.. They have all been saying the same thing for years: Al Davis is turning this team into a national punchline. Nobody who cares about winning wants to work for him. The players that he drafts look gooding getting off the bus, have great track times, but are not football players. This isn’t some opinion that a few Raider fans have, this is pretty much common knowledge outside of the organization.
No other owner is the head of scouting, no other owner meets weekly to discuss the defense, no other owner acts as general manager, no other owner has traded a coach away after he took the team to the playoffs, no other owner has sued the NFL as often as Al, no other owner has moved TWICE, and no other owner has had a worse record over the last 5 years.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
post 11 outta be nailed into the coffin and never dug up again
September 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I remember scratching my head after several offensive play calls, but Kiffin is obviosluy learning as he goes.
What I want to know is if the Raiders run the same ZBS as the Bronco’s how come the Raiders o-line can’t pass block like the Bronco’s? I did see the Bronco’s getting away with plenty of holding but still.
I wish the Raiders could get away with holding at the point of attack too. The Raiders would be much more successful.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
BBB,
Best post of the day!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Raiderdogg- zone blocking has nothing to do with pass blocking is why
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
So explain this to me…Several defensive players said that we couldn’t get pressure on Cutler because they were in Max protect mode most of the time, with only three guys running routes. So we’re rushing four, we have three allegedly playing man on their limited routes, soooo what are the other four guys doing on defense?? Picking their nose?? Were Howard and Huff even on the field? I know Morrison was there because he kept showing up 5 yards behind his guy as they crossed into the end zone.
Of all the disappointments of Monday, the absolute total collapse of our D was completely astonishing. They had no drive, no energy, no desire, and ultimately no clue. The offense looked terrible as well, but that looked to be execution issues that with a few 3rd down conversions would have helped a great deal. But our D was so pathetic it was clear that Denver could go up and down the field at will, sapping the life out of the whole team and stadium.
We’ll see how they react in KC, but I have no confidence in Ryan/Davis on the D. If we can’t play D, we force the offense to throw more which will just cause that group to spiral out of control as well. Guys, if you can’t stop anyone you might as well not show up.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Saying its okay for an offense to not score for 3 quaters of football is ridiculous. Using the excuse that the offense is a work in progress is a pathetic attempt to shield incompetence from the truth. We were not the only team that started and inexperienced QB for the first game however we were the only team to be shut out for 3 quaters. Lame excuses, and more lame excuses. Rob Ryan whines that the offense keeps the defense of the field to long yet he can’t get the defense off the field no matter what the situation is. Kiffin whines to the media that he has ideas about the defense. What about the ideas for the offense? We get blanked for 3 freakin quaters and Kiffin has ideas about the defense. Big AL get us some real coaches asap!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I agree with you guys about Kiffin not taking HIS share of responsibility (Young Punk). Brcause they’ve had problems scoring the ball since he’s been here, and he’s 4-13.
On the other hand, I admire him for not allowing himself to be scapegoated by Al, by being honest with the media about his lack of control or authority. He’s throwing it right back in Al’s face, where it belongs. Because he’s Head Coach in name only. Al won’t fire him because he’d have to pay off his contract. What kind of lame mismanagement is that? Terrible.
I was pleased with the tone of the Press Conference this week. The local cowed media, is beginning to ask some tough questions for a change. Maybe Jerry will, grow a pair.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
denver has guys that know how to pass block and arent garbage like harris and green
September 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
# Brien Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
post 11 outta be nailed into the coffin and never dug up again
LOLOLOL…that was funny dude …com’on bro its all good
September 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
BBB
Did you watch the HBO Hard Knocks on the cowboys?
Jerry Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is just as hands on as Al Davis, come on.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Jerry grow a pair lol………..in what galaxy?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
oaklandlonghorn Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
his job is to lead…leaders don’t throw their players, coaches (and owner) under the bus when they lose! how does he get players to play for a “team” when he is all about himself…
That, is exactly right!! His job is to lead, not bitch and whine. He is being paid millions and millions of dollars to figure it out. Throwing everyone under the bus is NOT figuring it out.
# lefty12 Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
BTW,ask any coach how difficult it is when the steamroll starts.
Lefty that is exactly right. I have been around this league a long time, and there are and were head coaches that as soon as they walked out onto the field, they had complete control of that game!! They would NEVER allow a game to get out of control. Kiffin let that game get completely out of control.
Terrapin Kiff’s offense got 7 points in 59 minutes. How is he absolved in this????
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Live chat @ PFT.com 4:00pm ET. Let them know what’s up in the Raider Nation.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
This is what I sent to the NFL:
Dear NFL,
I am a long time Raiders fan who is extremely upset about the current state of my beloved franchise. I have spent nearly 34 years loving this team, laughing and crying, and spending hard earned money for a team I love as much as life itself. I don’t know who to turn to for assistance. I know if I contact Raiders headquarters my thoughts will fall on deaf ears, or ears covered by the hands of Mr. Davis. As a Raider fan I appreciate Mr. Davis, however, I believe the game has passed him by, and I can’t stand by and watch him destroy the team and franchise that means so much to me and my life. Please help us. Most of the Raider Nation are hard working people who love their team, we are passionate, however we are respectful. The Raider Nation is arguably the most die-hard and loyal fans in professional sports. We can’t sit by anymore and watch Al Davis destroy this team. His motivations and actions regarding the state of the franchise are mind boggling and certainly destructive and counterproductive to the development of the players, coaches, and most of all the fan base that support the NFL and the Raiders through ticket and merchandise sales.
The Raiders are part of the NFL and as such, we are asking for you assistance. We are a strong nation, we are not looking for sympathy, we are asking the NFL for assistance in making our voice heard around the NFL world.
Please visit http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog for a first hand account of our frustrations.
Raider fan since 74
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Ryan 420..
its okay to be hands on when you consistently takes the right decisions (as Al did in hie early days) but if you are hands on and consistently wrong.. then its a really bad thing..
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I’m just as mad as everyone else about monday’s lost but ive been saying it for months……..there are guys starting or playing in the wrong position on this team………….richardson is a LDE………warren is a UT………morrison is an OLB………harris is a RT……grove shouldnt be starting and green shouldnt be starting……….also ricky brown shouldnt be starting
September 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Ryan420raider,
I know you are not trying to compare the f*n cowboys to the Raiders right now. Jerry Jones has created a winner, he brought in Bill Parcells to run that show, and allowed him the flexibility to do what he needed to get the job done. Parcells wouldn’t touch the Raiders with a 10 foot pole, because Al Davis would force his hand on everything.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Screw Al Davis…..I think a great slogan would be
“In Lane We Trust”…..
Einstein Says…I agree, I think Jerry is a great writer but this was a weak post.
Seth
Raider Fan since 1982
September 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I’m just saying that watching that HBO thing, man jerry jones is in on everything.
They haven’t won a playoff game in how long?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
we haven’t won a game in how long?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Brien,post106,agree w/you,hope it happens!Raiders
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I’m trying to figure out how kiffin is getting so much backing from people………..he started mccown when that guy is horrible………..he kept green out there when green was obviously horrible…..he actually started farglass over the much more talented rhodes………he played mike williams in crucial situations and not playing at least higgins who has speed……..he called bad plays last year and still has out of position people and calls bad plays thus again……….but he should get more control i get it………….al davis is a stubborn man and we all know this but dammit kiffin gotta show more to get more……ever worked for a boss and he just gave you anything you asked for without earning it? come on
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
RaiderDogg–Kiffin was asked specifically about the lack of pressure, blitzing and game plan. Hard to answer the question, even with misdirection, when you truly don’t know the answer. Belicheck, and those like him, can give a short answer because they truly know the right answer. Kiffin doesn’t because he has no role in the defense and no role in the personnel on the roster.
Kiffin has talent and his no-b.s style is what is needed to win. Accountability etc…Just look at the Javon walker. (when the lights come on) that’s an Al Davis guy. Kiffin says show me in practice….Its all B.s. Kiffin is smart like Shanahan. You can tell. Look at how he’s building Russell (which is probably the only joy he gets right now) diligently and carefully. Not be launching rockets down field (that’s Davis sh&t) Kiffin says, build from the bottom up whilst respecting the limitations around him.
Russell and the fans will be the biggest losers of the Kiffin vs. Davis saga. Thanks Al
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Was going to make the same point #118. And in the last ten years we have won, by my count , 4 more playoffs games than the ‘boys have. Of course they are currently in a little better situation than us
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
In all organizations, there’s a time for public honesty, and there’s a time for keeping things “in house.” For years the Raiders have emphasized the “in house” approach, even to the point where no one was held accountable to anyone for anything, during the year, we were all fed “coach speak,” and b.s.. Then at the end of the year, coaches (often bad coaches) got fired. But what chance did they have of succeeding if no one believed a word they said? NONE.
so now our coach keeps some stuff “in house” but calls a lot of it like he sees it. I think that is actually fairer to the players and staff who are doing their job. If there are players who are doing what is asked of them, but other areas of the organization aren’t getting teh job done, then it is Kiff’s job to call out the problems on that. At least that way the players know Kiff’s bottom line is winning. if some players are dogging it, call them out. those who are performing, they get praised in public.
i still think he’s going in the right direction, notwithstanding monday’s game.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
There is a difference between not winning a playoff game, and embarrasing yourself every time you step on the field. FYI, who has won a Super Bowl more recently, stats can be manipulated any way you want, but what I have seen the Raiders putting on the field for the last 5 years is indisputable, they are awful, and going nowhere fast.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
“Ryan 420..
its okay to be hands on when you consistently takes the right decisions (as Al did in hie early days) but if you are hands on and consistently wrong.. then its a really bad thing..”
Lets not forget that Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson after winning 2 Super Bowls because Jerry wanted to make all of the personnel decisions. Sound familiar? I wouldn’t call bringing in Barry Switzer or Dave Campo in to replace a Super Bowl winning head coach cosistently making the right decisions. Switzer, pulled a Gruden and won a SB with Jimmy Johnson’s team so please don’t try to convince me that he was a good decision. The next year when Switzer was really the HC making decisions, they sucked donkey balls.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Yes we get it, Al sits in and dicusses the defensive game plan with the D.C. That system worked just fine back in the day when the Raiders were suiting up the likes of Willie Brown, George Atkinson, Jack Tatum, Villapiano, Otis Sistrunk, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado, Howie Long, Lester Hayes, Vann Mcelroy, well you get the picture, these guys were hard-a$$ed down in the dirt football players. Today is a new and differnt era, I think they call it change, well that’s all we hear these days is change, well we sure have changed alright, from the most feared franchise in the leauge to a bunch of back-peddlin slackers, who by the way, 80 percent of have no effin biddness wearing a Oakland raider uniform.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Yeah, I feel bad for JaMarcus & Dmac. I think they are committed to handling themselves the right way. Although they get paid millions, I know, but they are likley to have their careers f’d up here.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I don’t know if this has been posted yet. But it foes right along with what everyone is saying here.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/09/10/SP8L12QPVC.DTL
September 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Raiderhomey – Did that system work when went to the Superbowl in 2002???
September 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
An owner really only has one major decision that they should have to make, and that is choosing the GM. Jerry Jones chose Bill Parcells, and Al decided to let a senile, wheelchair-bound relic run his football organization. The score is 1-0, Jones.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Jerry Jones is another example of how a hand’s on owner is detrimental. Mark Cuban anyone?
Look we’re all saying Al has lost it, but obviously he’s still got it, because nobody in the front office or close to him can slap him around and tell him whats what.
BLITZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
all–let’s not forget that Jerry Jones’s Cowboys, after firing Johnson, have been in the wilderness until he brought on Bill Parcells. And best believe, when Bill was in Dallas, he had direct responsibility for the offense and defense AND significant input in personnel!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Terrpain
“To say the offense didn’t score in 3Qs is a FACT. But to imply that they could not have scored or did not come close to scoring is completely inaccurate. Just saying they didn’t score in 3Qs misses everything before then.”
They didn´t reach Denver´s 20 yard line until the 4th Quarter when the game was 27-0.
They didn´t come close to scoring at all, in every game you will see a dropped pass or a fumble or a bad play by soemone, but that is no excuse for going scoreless in 3 Quarters.
The first 7 drives included a fumble, 5 punts and the end of the half.
The socre was 27-0 and The Raiders had barely reached 100 yards on offense.
After 17 games, Kiffin´s teams average 6.5 points at the Half and 10.5 after 3 full quarters.
Monday we actually regressed, we didnt even reach 6.5 at the half or 10.5 after 3.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
RaiderDOGG..
i’m not.. i’m saying that the curren Al Davis isn’t half as good as the current JJ, so they who think they are alike shouldn’t use JJ as an example to make Al look good..
September 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
“Kiffin has talent and his no-b.s style is what is needed to win.”
What makes you think this is the winning formula? 4-13 doesn’t even resemble that remark.
If a coach doesn’t know the answer or even if he does and shouldn’t say it, he will always say a cliche or soundbyte just to give the journalists something to write. There are 31 other HC’s in this league, and chances are many of them don’t agree with how things are run on either side of the ball, but they are not front and center with the media selling them all down the river.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
cricket …crickets …yeah i know ..you can’t argue with reality. it is what it is. deal with it!
i give kiffin no passes. no breaks. but i am under no illusions on what went down monday night. to focus in on kiffin is like missing the broad side of the barn and thats how it is – reality folks.
the whole espn crew was pointing it out clear as day. if you chose to ignore it – so be it. kiffin’s not exonerated, but he clearly shouldn’t be the main guy to blame either. you can say 75-85% of that lost rested on the shoulders of rob f_n ryan and his non aggressive behavior. a guy who kiffin wanted canned!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
RaiderDogg…post #2:
I don’t know where you’re coming from, but apparently you have put the blinders on. The blame is all on senile Al Davis, and Rob Ryan, who runs the defense with AL, in which the Head Coach is excluded from their meeting. Our record of 19 & 62 is a clear indication that Al has loss control of his mental faculties and he is now dysfunctional. Kiffin is doing an excellent job in light of all the chains wrapped around his neck by Davis.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Brien, I dont want to bash Kiff.
However I have a question about system Kiff is using for JR.
People talk about keeping Kiff to keep JR progressing, but isnt this system all wrong for JR’s skillsets?
He is more of a drop back, stand in the pocket untill a WR comes open.
At some point the Raiders need to address this and put a huge Oline in front of JR.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Al Davis thinks everything is about Al Davis. But back in the day Ron Wolf was on trains and busses and back roads all year finding those diamonds in the rough that made the Raiders great. Picking up talent when the Raiders, at that time were drafting last.
Al Davis is all about aggrandizing Al Davis, period.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
LMN
I knew what you meant, and it was an excellent point. I honestly can’t stand JJ that’s why I said that.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Give Kiff a past if the offense showed up, but they were nowhere to be found either.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Wasn’t Kiffen supposed to have been hired because of his creative offense-mind? We probably have one of the blandest offenses in the league. 8 straight runs to start the game. One time he has D-Mac taking a direct snap, and Fargas got a solid 6 yards, and never saw it again. His one trick play netted -15 yards, when he has Fargas, who isn’t very good at much but crashing into people, rocket a throw at Higgins from 2 feet away. But a win on Sunday and I take it all back
September 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Wow
it seems that almost everyone has completely misconstrued what I have been trying to say, with Riverside being the latest.
Did I say this was all Kiffin’s fault? Not once. Some of you see 1 or 2 words and just assume you know what I am typing or something.
Terrapin is right, Kiffin isn’t exonerated by any means but neither is Al Davis or Rob Ryan for that matter.
Why is it so hard for some of you to understand this? I am not blaming Kiffin, learn to read and stop pretending you know what I’m talking about if you don’t actually read and think about what I am saying.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
terripin get off ur knees for kiffin..every post ur sucking the guy dry!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
A.M. yes hotness………iagree this system isnt the best for Russell……….Knowing the offense we were gonna run in 2007 i was in the Brady Quinn camp……Russell needs an offense to showcase that arm……..this play it safe dink and dunk crap wont help him in the long run……..we seen knapp in atlanta with vick a strong armed qb playing in the LESS coast offense……….just not gonna work
September 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Thisis the 1st year that I have season tix. I dont know if I can stomach 7 more games of this crap that they call football.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
lane kiffin sucks!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Riverside
take YOUR blinders off long enough to actually read and think about a post before you respond to it. Damn.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
This is in no way Kiffin’s fault. None!!!!
Defense got blown out whistle to whistle. Defense is supposed to set the tempo and support an offense that we all knew going in is trying to find itself. Especially a defense with 8 starters (9 in nickle) that are anywhere from solid to potential pro-bowl. Our defense should be forcing turnovers and giving our offense excellent field postion. Not getting torched for 17 pts in the first half and 24 in the second. Remember, there were no INTs and the only turnover (a fumble) happened in the red zone in Denver territory.
This offense, and most teams, don’t do well when they fall behind by double digits. Especially with a QB starting his 2nd game and an offense that is run first!
This is ALL on Davis and Ryan..PERIOD
September 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I thought by midseason open up the playbook but its gotta happen now!!!! Kiffin is gone by monday if we lose………..wanna bet?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
“They didn´t reach Denver´s 20 yard line until the 4th Quarter when the game was 27-0.”
Wrong – they got deep into denver territory primed to score on their 1st drive until ZM got held then Jam fumbled the rock. completely wrong.
“They didn´t come close to scoring at all, in every game you will see a dropped pass or a fumble or a bad play by soemone, but that is no excuse for going scoreless in 3 Quarters.”
Wrong – How can that not be an excuse for going scoreless. That IS why they didn’t score! If you don’t execute i.e. catch a damn pass you don’t score! If Denver’s TE doesn’t catch the pass they don’t score! The TD was there bro. It was there – the whole Denver booth was like “o sht!”
“Monday we actually regressed, we didnt even reach 6.5 at the half or 10.5 after 3.”
Wrong again IMHO …this offense is better than last year.
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I don’t argue any of your other points:
“The first 7 drives included a fumble, 5 punts and the end of the half.”
“The socre was 27-0 and The Raiders had barely reached 100 yards on offense.
After 17 games, Kiffin´s teams average 6.5 points at the Half and 10.5 after 3 full quarters.”
September 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Thanks Hell Raiderss,
Nancy Gay:
If you are sincerely disgusted with the state of your once-mighty franchise, be it the 49ers or the Raiders, then take action. No more blaming the beat writers and columnists for stating hard truths that you’ve known in your hearts for years. No more pleas to fire the owners on Internet message boards.
Demand that Al Davis – yes, even though he is 79 and frail – stand before you. Not Jim Otto or Amy Trask. Make Al Davis explain why he has committed nearly $200 million of the Raiders’ future this season to unproductive free-agent signings. Why does he misjudge talent and character, year after year?
Davis must explain why he refuses to let his head coaches coach. Why he has almost entirely disbanded his personnel department, starting with the departures of Bruce Allen and Michael Lombardi, until now. Do you really think Mark Jackson makes a football decision?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Andrews Mom Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Brien, I dont want to bash Kiff.
However I have a question about system Kiff is using for JR.
People talk about keeping Kiff to keep JR progressing, but isnt this system all wrong for JR’s skillsets?
He is more of a drop back, stand in the pocket untill a WR comes open.
Actually Andy’s mom, did you not see the broken play late in the first half where Jam escapes the rush runs to his right and let’s go a frozen rope 50 yards down the field that clanks off Currys hands??? Jam can throw on the run, and that is the perfect match for the Kiff O. Notice how Cutler did it over and over.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
For starters none of you guys are wrong. Nobody knows what Kiff is capable of if he had full control. But at the same time he has said his piece and needs to focus on winning and not selling Al out and telling us what we already know.
If some of you are really going to make up signs for the game. Please be respectful. Don’t make the rest of us look bad. Al was once a great man in this league and has earned the respect. Al is like that old player who doesn’t know when his skills have dissolved. Hopefully he will figure out he doesn’t have to run the Raiders to be the Raiders and hopefully he will hang up his cleats soon
I would like to see someone take out a full page ad in the bay asking him respectfully to step down and let the young guys run the team.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
no mike bush sighting inside the 10? unacceptable
September 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Blame is as follows:
1. Al Davis – need I really explain?
2. Rob Ryan – need I really expalin? Defense sucked, BLITZ YOU FUGGIN RETARD.
3. Lanke Kiffin – This team simply wasn’t prepared for the game mentaly or physically. And, don’t give me this crap about not having good players. You are a fuggin coach, so COACH them. What about the U.S. hockey team that beat Russia, they were a bunch of scrubs, and they beat the finest hockey team ever assembled.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
any of you that think Kiffin is completely above reproach are just drinking Kiffin-aid.
Is it all his fault? Nope. Should he be accountable for his team not making it happen? Hell yes, he’s the HC!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
The defense went out there thinking they were good enough to stuff anyone and anything. Wrong. Hopefully this is a major major major wakeup call to the defense.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Oakglenn…….how is curry starting? he isnt a starting…….Schilens,Watkins and Higgins need to be the top 3 guys……..walker has zero heart, lelie is a loser and curry is done……at least for us……..walker let me down big time
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Hell Raiderrrs Says:
“If some of you are really going to make up signs for the game. Please be respectful. Don’t make the rest of us look bad. Al was once a great man in this league and has earned the respect. Al is like that old player who doesn’t know when his skills have dissolved. Hopefully he will figure out he doesn’t have to run the Raiders to be the Raiders and hopefully he will hang up his cleats soon”
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Dude that paragraph just about made me puke on my keyboard. Be respectful? Ok at least say “PLEASE Al Davis resign”.. Make the rest of us look bad, we all ready do moron. Yes, Al was ONCE a great man. What respect has he earned unless you are a fan of the Raiders before 1983? He wont figure it out. Next..
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Oakglenn………..no ryan is messing up big time having richardson at RDE………it hurt not hacing edwards………burgess should have been traded and let richardson be a LDE……warren is a UT not an NT
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Durnig the next game, if the Chefs score a TD in the first qtr, Kiffin should send Ryan into the locker room and take over the defensive play calling. If his play calling improves our defense mid-game, Al will either have to let him have more control, or fire him. Either way, Kiffin would have what he wants.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Thats why I dont think its that a big deal to fire Kiff.
I dont want him fired at this point but I hope Al gets rid of RR.
I know I am in the minority, but I believe if Kiff keeps standing up to Al and the O keeps improving,
I THINK AL WILL GIVE KIFF MORE CONTROL.
I also think Kiff is well aware of this.
My opinion is like everyones else. Most opinions are mostly BS, but some have more truth then others.
I am looking for the O to keep making strides and Kiff will get more and more control because he reminds Al of himself.
If Kiff doesnt do well and gets canned he will be lucky to get a head coach gig at Morehead state. But if he pulls this off he can write his own ticket to one of the top ten primo head coach college gigs, not to mention the NFL.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Terrapin
“They didn´t reach Denver´s 20 yard line until the 4th Quarter when the game was 27-0.”
Wrong – they got deep into denver territory primed to score on their 1st drive until ZM got held then Jam fumbled the rock. completely wrong.
WHAT?.
JLH returned the kickoff to Denver´s 35. The offense didn´t get there themselves.
They took the ball at Denver´s 35 and ran 10 plays for 18 yards and 0 points.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
The signs should say:
“FIRE ROB RYAN”
September 11th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Wattup Nation! Listen, everybody who blogs here is frustrated and dejected about our beloved team’s continued dismal showings. Yeah, I get ALL kinds of flak from my boys about rooting for a team “WAY on the other side of the planet.” I don’t give a sh!t about that, I’ve loved this team since the Madden era and I was in single digits (age) then.
Point is, we should be angry. We should be able to ask why the organization we out faith and money and time into can’t reward with simple good competition. Most of us, that’s all we expect this year anyways.
I’ve got two best buds. One is diehard Cowboys and the other is Steelers to the death. I’m talking lamps and crocs and sh!t. Me too! The one thing I can’t defend when we get into these SUPER-HEATED arguments that true fans get into, is WHY we keep looking like the Special Ed step-child of the league!!
Sure, the Steelers went through some rough times and so did Dallas. How did they get back on track?! How?! How?! Good sound front office decisions and support! That’s it. No secret formula, no miracle schemes. Just common sense decisions from top to bottom.
Point blank, as Ditka said Monday night, “It starts at the top.” Stop bashing Kiff for framing the TOTAL fukkin dysfunction for us to see, FUKKIN THANK HIM for it. Or just keep blindly giving up your cash, time, and loyalty without a peep. As for me, I’m not a SHEEP!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Fire Rob Ryan? no, the signs should say:
“Why didn’t you leave when you were politely asked?”
or…
“The coach didn’t even want you”
or…
“Get a clue brother, FUGGIN BLITZ”
or…
“Just quit”
September 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Terrapin
–“Monday we actually regressed, we didnt even reach 6.5 at the half or 10.5 after 3.”
Wrong again IMHO …this offense is better than last year.–
Well that was my opinion too, but your opinion or mine will not make it so.
0 points after 3 quarters is reality, you have the numbers right there, as of Monday the offense got worst.
Next week may be another story, I´m confident that it will be.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Einstein
Ive been a fan since 1970 So yeah I was around when they were great. I have a ball signed by the entire Super Bowl XI team. Yes when they were great. The NFL owes alot to Al. Am I defending Al for what he is doing today. Not at all. But I don’t want to see Nation members make fools of them selves and I have to listen to it everwhere I go.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I think it is worth printing the whole piece by Nancy Gay:
“Bay Area NFL fans, you are angry, fed up, frustrated. Don’t apologize. You have earned the right.
Now it’s time to do something about it.
If you are sincerely disgusted with the state of your once-mighty franchise, be it the 49ers or the Raiders, then take action. No more blaming the beat writers and columnists for stating hard truths that you’ve known in your hearts for years. No more pleas to fire the owners on Internet message boards.
That is not going to happen. They are not selling.
Do something about it. Make the owners, whose teams opened the 2008 season with maddeningly predictable results, explain themselves to you.
Demand that they conduct town-hall meetings across the Bay Area and tell you, the ticket-buying, jersey-wearing fans, why your once-proud favorite franchise is an NFL embarrassment.
Demand that John, Jed and Denise York get microphones, take hard questions and give honest answers about their football product, a 49ers team filled with high draft picks and big-money free agents who consistently fail to deliver.
You don’t want to hear Jed York telling you yet again why the 49ers need $136 million in redevelopment funding from Santa Clara to build a $900 million stadium. That won’t fix this.
Demand that Al Davis – yes, even though he is 79 and frail – stand before you. Not Jim Otto or Amy Trask. Make Al Davis explain why he has committed nearly $200 million of the Raiders’ future this season to unproductive free-agent signings. Why does he misjudge talent and character, year after year?
Davis must explain why he refuses to let his head coaches coach. Why he has almost entirely disbanded his personnel department, starting with the departures of Bruce Allen and Michael Lombardi, until now. Do you really think Mark Jackson makes a football decision?
Think about it: If Ted Kennedy, who is dealing with brain cancer, can muster the strength and conviction to stand before the Democratic National Convention and deliver a rousing speech, why can’t these Bay Area owners stand before their fans?
Five seasons have passed since either the 49ers or the Raiders were contenders. Neither franchise has sniffed .500 since 2002, when both won their divisions.
Remember when we thought it was all coaches Steve Mariucci’s and Bill Callahan’s fault? Could we have been that naive?
The 49ers and Raiders share this: In the past decade, they have proved to be colossal organizational failures.
You can blame the coaches, or the players. But look where it starts: It’s ownership’s fault.
The York family failed to install a competent front office, after alienating Bill Walsh and Bill McPherson and ignoring advice on how to run the franchise from such NFL personnel experts as Ron Wolf and such wise former 49ers players as Steve Young and Ronnie Lott.
Instead, the Yorks turned over a football dynasty to a carnival barker, Terry Donahue, and a Stanford MBA with zero football background, Paraag Marathe. When it became obvious that Donahue had to go, the Yorks made an even more catastrophic mistake.
They turned over their football operation to one man, Mike Nolan, who had not been an NFL head coach and had zero front-office experience. When Nolan showed he was in over his head, the Yorks refused to fire him as head coach. Then they promoted Nolan’s right-hand man and a college scout, Scot McCloughan, to general manager.
You saw the results of that expertise Sunday: No draft pick from this year cracked the 49ers’ starting lineup in a 23-13 loss to Arizona.
On a good team, you expect this – draft picks are for reloading, tools for the future. On a bad team, they are for rebuilding. A team that has won 25 games in the past five seasons does not have the luxury of allowing a first-round defensive end, Kentwan Balmer, to waste away on the bench. Or watching the No. 1 pick in 2005, quarterback Alex Smith, ruined by mismanagement and injury.
As for the Raiders, you saw all you needed to see Monday night when Denver ran up 41 points on them. You saw coach Lane Kiffin – who has reminded us relentlessly on the record that he had little input on coaching or personnel decisions this past offseason – watch helplessly while his offensive line crumbled and his defense failed to blitz. Think that was his call?
Look upstairs for the answers, Raiders fans. To the owner’s booth.
Candlestick Park and the Coliseum were once Houses of Dread. Now they are crumbling relics that amplify the decay of the franchises they house.
The dysfunction must stop. Sell your tickets, burn your jersey – it’s time you tell the owners that you have had enough.
More important: Demand that they listen.”
Fine words. Fine sentiments.
Come on, Jerry. Speak the words of truth to the Nation.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
#125 Bart
Jerry doesnt know cowwboycrap. He probaly learned most everything he knows from 4 hour talk sessions with Al Davis.
The cow ho’s have not won a playoff game in over ten years. He was smart enough to hire tuna and give him control. Tuna built that team and it is typical tuna all the way.
Then Jerry started meddling and hired TO. Tuna is gone and its all downhill for the sorry biitches from here on end.
Sure they may get lucky and win one with the remnants of Tunas Team but I doubt it.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Hell Raiderrrs:
Thats the difference between us. I wasn’t even born in 1970. This is a “what have you done for me lately” league. And as such, Al hasn’t done a single thing. Try taking a walk in my shoes brother. I can’t even remember Superbowl 18 I was so young. But I do remember loss after loss after loss, with this franchise getting worse and worse, because of what or whom? Al Davis.
So take your sympathy for the old man somewhere else, because most of us don’t want to hear it.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Andrews mom:
Hopefully you are correct about Al givingg Kiffin more control. However, he needs to give him more control of the defense. He needs to gameplan with Ryan to get him to put more pressure on the QB without losing the man coverage.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
You people continue to blame Kiffin when he has no power. So, are you saying that Kiffin paid Walker like a top 5 WR? Are you saying Kiffin traded a 2nd and signed Hall for 7 years and 70 million? Did Kiffin sign Kelly to 50 million? Did Kiffin want to run a 4-3 man defense with no blitzing?
Some of you use the argument that Kiff hasn’t done anything to deserve power. Ummmm….excuse me? It doesn’t work that way in the NFL folks. In order for a coach to truly run his system he needs the power to decide on which players come in or go out and which coaches to hire. Even then it usually takes 3 years. Are you all on drugs? Were you expecting Super Bowl after what Shell did to this team? LMFAO!!! Get a clue folks.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Kiffin is beyond reproach with this mess:
1. We all know he has no role on defense….
2. Rookie QB in his 2nd start…no interceptions
3. When down by 17 –gotta throw– and we know where that’s going to get us with our o-tackles (the worst in the league)
4. Teaching Russell from the ground up — you won’t see 60 yd bombs — but you will see Russell check down and hit those short and medium range passes…especially without any receivers that have sure hands or blazing speed, and again, behind the line that can’t passblock for longer than 2 or 3 seconds
WE fire Russell…then you can bet a derivative of the Bed and Breakfast will be installed and that will be the end of Russell’s development!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
The offensive line is terrible but Kiffin has nothing to do with the offensive line either?
WAKE UP KIFFIN LOVERS! He is just as much to blame for his antics and the Raiders futility as everyone else. Stop sukking the mans dik already!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Scottish Raider…post 429:
Excellent post, except I don’t agree that Kiffin should walk away from 2 million a year, because we have an idiot, senile owner who is behind 99% of all the problems. I don’t know what Kiffin was making at USC as assistance offensive coordinator, but probably $200,000 per year at best. It’s easy for us to say, just walk away, everyone will understand. Then sit by your phone and wait for that call. I don’t think so. None of us in this blog would walk away from $2,000.000 (two million)
per year, just because Al “the great vertical genius of long time ago” Davis wants you to resign. He told Davis to go fzzk yourself, fire me idiot. Kiffin has a family to support, and even though the situation is unbearable, he has the bzzls to carry on. He’s getting valuable experience and it will all be rewarded in the future. I just hope the team that he will head-coach is not in our division. I don’t want a rerun of Marty & Mike kicking our butts constantly.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Mr. Davis doesn’t have to respond to any of this!
The only leader I see in this whole situation is Mr. Al Davis. Mr. Davis would love for someone to assume this role but sadly, this country only produces self serving individuals.
I have a question.
Can someone please point out to me where Mr. Al Davis has publically blamed someone for the Raiders lack of success? You know what, you cannot. This is the type of honor this man shows his players, his fans, and even his coaches.
Those who have worked work him disrespectfully play their cards leaving the organzaition and show that they never truely had bought in-in the first place. Those of you who take the bait, and listen to these fools are also part of the problem.
Lets not forget fella’s. A man has to be given an opportunity to be the coach of the Oakland Raiders before he can be fired as coach of the Oakland Raiders. Since Lane Kiffin came on board over a year ago, he has complained to his boss and now he is using the media. Is this the type of leadership that will lead us to victories? No, it is not! Leadership takes the blame even when a situation is out of their control. This is how leadership is built, in fact, it is the only way it’s built.
Each day that passes some former Raider takes a stab at Mr. Davis, incorrectly assuming his silence for weakness. Silence is an attribute of the strong when in a position of power. People who have responsibilities to those who work for them understand this fact. It’s would be very easy for Mr. Davis to respond to any of the absurd claims, but what would that solve? Why should he drop to Kiffin’s level? Instead, he is letting the kid hang himself publically. Why is it so hard for you all to accept this. Many, including myself, have seen this coming for months now.
Al Davis and the Oakland raiders will be on top of the NFL universe again, it’s just a matter of time.
END OF STORY!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
post 185 is for fools that can’t see, fools like S&B who can’t stop sukking Kiffin off long enough to understand what the big picture is.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Chad–What O-Lineman did the personel department bring in? Kwame Brown?? What O-Lineman did we draft? Super Mario? Did we use any draft picks this year to find a Ryan Claddy??…this line is only serviceable thanks to Kiffin, Cable and Knapp
September 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Peace. This crap is ridiculous.
Kiffin gets no pass from me but if you want me to tell you why we got blown out that game; it didn’t have much to do with Kiffin as much as it had to do with Rob Ryan.
Warren is no where close to being a NT. That sht is laughable. I saw him get run at in the preseason playing the nose in the 3-4 and he got pushed back 5 yards off the double.
You all wanted 3-4 under Rob Ryan? Well you see what 3-4 is under Rob Ryan. He drops everyone in coverage. That sht was unbelievable. F8kn laughable is what is was if it weren’t so real.
Year after year after f98kn year we expect more from this defense. Maybe we are the stupid ones to expect it under Rob fkn Ryan. Ya’ think?
Pass judgment on the offense after mid season. Thats being fair w/ a new QB, new tackle and rb. Thats what you guys were expecting anyways – that is if you are reasonable. And I’m not being contradictory. I’m not passing judgment on defense based on ONE game. I’m passing judgment based on the incompetence Rob Ryan showed ALL damn game coupled with his history leading this defense for 4 years!
I have taken the silver and black shades off folks. I suggest you do the same. The disclaimer on the back reads: “Will warped your vision!”
September 11th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Others in here are complaining about the offense. They moved the ball and were threatening to score when it was 10-0. Kiffin dialed the right play – he couldn’t have predicted the ball slipping out of Russell’s hand. The play before was a great call too. Play action to Miller – that was a TD if #33 didn’t get a fistful of jersey!
Also, Kiffin can’t help that Curry dropped both deep balls. He called the right play and the guy was open. You can’t predict that.
The running game was effective and if it weren’t for our D giving up a score on every drive, we would have worn them down. That was the plan after all. You don’t ask someone like Russell to win you a game this early in his development. Look at how Roethlisberger was developed.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
MR is planning on printing up a bunch of “die you old bastard” signs for the next home game.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Kiffin RULES!! Kiffin for Prez!!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
stop sukking the mans dik for christs sake. This is disgusting how blind so many of you are that are telling everyone else how blind they are!
A bunch of numbskulls in complete denial.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Viva La Mexico!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Post 188 says:
END OF STORY!!
Yes that was the end of a very long fictional story filled with dribble and babbling nonsens filled with bullsh!t and a cherry on top. Good thing that is the end of the story, cause it SUCKED.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Our offense is built by running the football, passes to the tight end and DMAC, and an occasional long pass down the field when the running game is really humming. Just like last year. You guys seem to be hankering for that Bed and Breakfast sh&t that ruined Andrew Walter. Kiffin is running the offense EXACTLY the way it needs to be run! If the defense is going to give up 30 and 40 points then the Raider offense is forced to throw often and predictably often. And when this happens behind our tender defensive tackles…..and wide receivers with their challenges….well you know what happens next
September 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Dakota…post 73:
Will do. Thanks for all your efforts, you’re truly a real Raiders fan, loyal and concerned about the direction that this dysfunctional owner is taking the team. What I don’t understand, are these clueless, defenders, of Davis and Ryan?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
any of you that think Kiffin is completely above reproach are just drinking Kiffin-aid.
Is it all his fault? Nope. Should he be accountable for his team not making it happen? Hell yes, he’s the HC!
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Dogg, I certainly do not think Kiffin is above reproach. He was tentative last year, and the offense didn’t blow us away on Monday for sure, but just sit back and think about 2006.
Remember that disaster of a season? We were unwatchable. I think we can all agree that last year Kiffin came in and our team looked like an actual NFL team. He maybe didn’t make all the right decisions, but what 32 year old coach does? But he took us 5 steps towards respectability. Remember the look on Shanahan’s face when we kicked the sheet out of the Broncos? Priceless.
But that was back when Kiffin had some control over his fate and had the respect of the players. Kiffin made the right call on Rob Ryan and Al Davis ignored him and then slapped him down in front of the entire world.
Now we have a group of players that know Kiffin is a dead man walking, and they see the friction between Rob Ryan and Kiffin, and Kiffin and Davis, so they have no united leader to rally behind, and that is a very important element of winning don’t you agree?
This really isn’t about Kiffin, it is about what caused Kiffin to go from a head coach that had the ear of his players, to the Kiffin that is emotionally drained and seemingly numb to the current situation.
Sure, Kiffin could be handling things better, but he had us on the right track, and he gave Davis great advice, but Davis blew it all up over ego, and now we are all paying for it. That is the real picture. I for one think Kiffin has to be fired now because the situation is unworkable, but I despise Al Davis for making it that way, and I don’t blame Kiffin for standing up to him and demanding that he be fired and paid, because Kiffin did nothing that merits the treatment he is receiving. Who wouldn’t look for another job when your boss is always sheeting on you?
I don’t care who the head coach is as long as the owner steps back, allows the coach to coach and hire his assistants and have some influence over player selections. The problem with this franchise is that Al Davis does not seem capable of allowing that situation to occur, and that is how you win in today’s NFL. You have to give the coach authority and respect otherwise the players become divided and the system breaks down.
This isn’t about one game, this is about a long, long history of Al Davis making very poor decisions and running an NFL franchise deep into the ground.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Einstein
How intelligent does a person have to be to imitate a dead scientist?
Nice handle!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
OK lets all agree to disagree.
1. Al is old.
2. Kiff is young
3. Ryan is fat and ugly.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
You know what #187 is rediculous….get your head out of the clouds and wake the hell up…..Al Davis is taking us all to an early grave…about the only thing that can save us now is the end of days in 2012……..and I am sure we will have a losing record then too with him in control….as far as I am concerned he has become the antichrist…..
September 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Terrapin
I gave up on Ryan 3 years ago, I have not given up on Kiffin just yet, we didn´t do a good job on offense on Monday but he has done better in the past and I´m pretty sure we will show up in KC.
I was talking about Monday´s game specifically and used some stats from last year to make a point, but I know Kiffin can and will do much better.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
the is a live chat with MIKE FLORIO OF PFT
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
September 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I hope that everyone has an excellent day. Maybe we should all consider ending the Blame Game because it doesn’t get us any where any way.
I apologize if I have offended anyone with my points of view, I never intend on being the a-hole that I am perceived as in a discussion. In the end we are all Raider fans that just want to see our team have some success.
Keep the passion alive people, it’s all we really have left.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I appreciate Kiffins honesty. Now we know who to look toward for accountability for the Defense. I don’t think he’s insubordinate or ruining our team chemistry.
If you are straight with all involved, I think the players appreciate it and can move forward without questioning where they stand or where to go for things.
5 years of mediocre defense with 1st round picks is not the head coaches fault.
It’s the boss and his beotch. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
MUCH RESPECT TO THE NATION
September 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
#163 oak
I am not an x & 0 guy.
Just a long time fan and Al homer.
Why are people saying its a bad fit?
Nobody can convince me that smaller linemen for the cut blocking scam ……errrrrr scam is better then the the line Dallas has and the Giants & Pittsburgh, etc, etc.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Elky:
What you didn’t like the fact that I hated your post in 188 and though it sucked badly? Sorry to hurt your feeling sweetheart.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Post 188 should be striken from the record.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I appreciate the response buddy…didn’t bother me in the least…
I just don’t like your handle?
Why? Do you have a problem!
Hey, call me Lane Kiffin, I’m just being honest!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Bill Walsh and Einstein are personal friends of mine….
September 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Dakota -
That was a very insightful and thought provoking post. It just so happens that I agree with you 100%.
That was probably one of your bests posts ever! Keep up the good work bro.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Dakota..it was okay….better than normal, that for sure.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
I just don’t like your handle?
——————————
What? Is that a question for me? I’m not sure, do you not like my handle? I am confused…
Being honest about what? Post 188? That is not honesty, that is your opinion, and opinions are a good as an A HOLE ON AN ELBOW.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Al Davis is the only personl in this whole situation who DOES NOT TALK SHYT!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
One more point: we didn´t abandon the run on Monday, we ran it 30 times and thew it 26. Things didn´t work out well but I give Kiffin credit for that.
He could have gone pass-happy and Russell could have made some mistakes that he doesn´t need to make right now, instead, he was the lone bright spot, kinda.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Read post 140 Andy’s mum
September 11th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
My posts are always facts…..
I only speak the truth!
I think elbows and assholes are good too, so that also a fact, not an opinion.
My post in 188 is about Mr. Davis’s leadership….he doesn’t play these trivial games…he lets the situation handle itself!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
First of all, to return to glory, Big Al needs to die. I mean no mal-intent here, as in a suggestion of homicide; death needs to come naturally by non-criminal means, as in sudden heart attack or stroke.
Once the Raiders are free of the over-the-hill, alzhiemer-stricken, incompetent, unqualified Tyrannosaurus AL (tyrant lizard/aka T-Al), who, unfortunately over the years learned to make money through frivolous ligitagtion instead of fielding great football teams, the minority owners can reclaim their franchise and possibly return it to the pursuit of excellence.
Meanwhile, Rob(the retard/”forget about the blitz”)Ryan should be castrated, and sent, bound and gagged, on the first red eye flight to Tierra Del Fuego, along with D’Angelo Hall, most of the defensive and offensive lines, and possibly Seb Janakowski (with a full vial of date rape pills just in case the native girls don’t like him) – banished as it were amongst some strange and indigenous peoples, to line up and fling coconuts at one another, with memories of their wretched, untalented selves, infants and losers in a game of men.
Meanwhile, until I read T-Al’s obituary maybe I’ll try out for the Raiders; it should be easy enough to hornswaggle T-AL out of at least $50M (with $20M or so guaranteed)
Sincerely,
Richard Smith
September 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
is it possible that Rob Ryan won’t blitz because he doesn’t want to go against Al’s wishes?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Dude I was going to respond to your post at 219, but some things are just better left unsaid. Game over bro. Game over. Lol…..
September 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Anyone willing to call themselves Eintein is obviously lacking in many departments…..
Let me guess, you also drive a real big truck?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
That is very possible Dogg.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I believe I got the last word in…..in the same minute no less…
So at 1:56 pm on 9/11
I WIN!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Fellow Raider fans,
Do not pay attention to Bob Marley, Oakglenn, or Coach Elkins. They are not Raider fans. They work for the team, and despite what their primary job duties are they have been ordered to come in here and play damage control. They’re basically here to undermine anyone who suggests that Al Davis has lost the ability to manage an NFL franchise. Soon as these guys get their pink slip, they’ll do the same thing for any other pro or college team they work for.
Mind you, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt. If they in fact do not work for the team, they would then have to be the most delusional and retarded sports fans in existence. I’ll let them decide.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I, for one, am sick and tired of the constant whining of Lane Kiffin. Your team is in trouble when your coach is a cancer. This guy is unprofessional and very immature. Let’s not forget, this is the same guy who was lobbying for the Arkansas job early in the season last year. Maybe Al does things a little unorthodox. However, if he did’nt, would Kiffin even be the head coach? The guy was only a “co-offensive coordinator”. Frankly, I think he gets too much credit for the success of Reggie Bush, based on his failure to use Mcfadden properly.
As for Rob Ryan, I have been saying for three years now that this guy has no clue. In a division where you play against L.T., Larry Johnson, and whomever Denver lines up in the backfield, the best ranking vs. the run this guy could muster is 25th. The cupboard is not bare; there is talent on the defensive side of the ball. This guy was severely outcoached by Shanahan; just like last year with Mike Martz. Please Al, overlook the bloodlines and coaching pedigree and get rid of this guy! To the rest of the Raider Nation, keep the faith!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
I agree with the statement that Kiffin is done. He lost his mojo when Al dicked him in the off season, by reversing the Ryan firing and thereby making him a lame duck.
Kiffin has lost the respect of his team, primarily because Al cut off his nuts.
We are doomed for another 3 years at least. We’ll lose Cable, Knapp and Rathman, and have to revamp the entire offense and Jammy’s growth will therefore be stunted.
You can already see that Kirk Morrison is regressing, Hall is a bust, Jevon is a bust, Carter was damaged goods and now toast, Kelly is out of position and damaged goods with his bum knee that prevented him from getting into shape, Huff is a bust, Wilson looks like hell in our defense, Burgess is outgunned because he’s lost a step and out of position, Richardson is out of position, Mr. Pain is out for the year with a career threatning injury, Harris was never any good, Sands is a highly paid bust………..
Thank god we have 3 running backs. Oh yeah, we gave up 2 decent backs up for nothing in return because we loaded up on a position where we were stacked and blew off our real needs at OL, DL and WR.
This is ridiculous and Al Davis is to blame.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Dakota 199
Good post, can´t entirely agree or disagree but when it comes to the anti-Davis crowd, that´s as good as it gets.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Send me a trophy…
It should read….
Einstein challenged the great coach at a war of verbal word online, and LOST…..
Nahh, you’re right….
You win….I was just teasing you!
Later fella’s
September 11th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Post# 215 – you’re absolutely correct. He only makes life miserable/impossible for his coaches and for Raider fans and.
But, gotta hand it to him for not talking crap! Never mind that he barely talks to the media anyway.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Kiffin lost his mojo when he lobbied for the Arkansas job mid season last year.
Ryan never had any mojo.
Cable needs to teach the line how to pass block!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Coach Elkins what team are you the coach for?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Who says Davis doesn’t talk crap? “Commitment to Excellence”….”Team of the Decades”…..”Pride and Poise”……sounds like crap talk to me!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
BART Bridge Brigade…post 108:
Excellent post…best of the day…a MUST READ, especially your last paragraph. You have clearly pointed out the problem, with facts to support your case. However, there will still be those who ignore the truth and will defend Davis to the bitter end. I’m sure all Raider fans appreciate what Al Davis has done in the past and the great organization he built. But there comes a time in place when everyone has to move on. That’s one of the problems. Davis refuses to move on and he has created these problems. He’s too blame and that’s why many of us our pointing out the problems, such as your excellent post.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Elky:
You have departments? What, is that like some multiple personality bullsssh!t?
No, I don’t drive a truck.
Why are you so infatuated with koks and a$$$ holes?
Dude you need to check yourself, you are bagging on me for using a blog handle, this coming from the same guy who quite possibly has the WORST myspace page I HAVE EVER SEEN. That is a complete disgrace to the Raiders and the Raider Nation. Your God Father Al would b!itch slap you like the pu$$ssy you are if he saw that crappy as$$ page.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Riverside
just because someone actually agrees with you doesn’t make them right. It just means that there is one more idiot in the world.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Guys, remember what I said. Bob Marley, Oakglenn, Coach Elkins: NOT Raider fans. These guys work for the team. Frankly, if they were really fans and don’t work for the team, they’re so retarded I’d be ashamed to call them fellow Raider fans, anyway. They can’t be that stupid. And, I don’t think they are. These jackasses work for the team in some capacity, maybe even just as clerks. Most of you are smart enough to see through their b.s. but just in case any of you were warming up to them, now you know. Don’t pay attention to them. You know what you see on your own t.v. screen. You know how bad this team’s been. You know Kiffin has only been here a year and a half. Don’t let these clowns turn you against your own instincts. That’s what they do. They’re spin meisters. Their job is to convince you that YOU’RE STUPID, you don’t know what you’re seeing or what you’re talking about, and that they’re here to inform you. Tell them to talk to talk to the hand.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Lol, it’s complete chaos in here.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Post #234. You make a good point. The facts will be ignored. There are many good posts in here with supporting facts, etc. But the Davis apologists will resort to name calling. See post# 236. Just proves the point.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
once we win on sunday all of yall will be singing a different tune
September 11th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
EINSTEIN…POST 122:
EXCELLENT…WELL DONE, CLEARLY WORDED…THANKS.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Realist:
I am not a Davis apologist, I am bantering WITH a Davis apologist. Catch up on the posts dude.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
If you were the headcoach of the Raiders, would you like to manage only half the team-if that? Additionally, you don’t pick the players you have to coach and win with. Instead, the owner sits back, plays headcoach, calls the defense, picks the players, and makes all team decisions, then washes his hands of any responsibility when those decisions fail. Kiffin is right for speaking out, and I suspect he will be gone shortly!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
SouthTexasRaider beating the Chiefs should be a given….winning that game won’t mean a thing.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
to Terrapin,
I know this post was a while ago, but you said “you don’t get wins if you are in over your head in this league”
Well, I think you said it. Kiff is 4-17. Not many wins.
If the HC isn’t at least in charge of the team and I mean the whole team how can you blame just him? I look at as the main reason we lost was our D. Our Offense was moving the ball early and should have had points, but even though we didn’t if we had stopped them once we would have been close at least.
It’s time to stop talking about last week and move on. They have to rebound and play well at KC or else. Too many injuries also already. Seems odd too that most of the injuries are to players that have big contracts. hmmmmm.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Ok Nation, so let’s see where we stand.
Correct me if I’m wrong please, but from all that I read, I think it’s safe to assume that we all agree with this:
- We are all tired of losing, the way this franchise is being handled, the decision making, Rob Ryan, and the constant signing of over rated free agents.
- We are tired of having an owner who doesn’t let his coaches coach.
- We are tired of getting our expectations up, only to have them shot down, stepped on, and spat on once the season begins, by our own team none the less.
- We are tired of being tired.
- We can see improvements in the offense.
- We can see the same old defense, eventhough Monday they looked a lot worse.
- And we can agree that there’s major need for change starting from the top.
Did I miss anything? So why is it then that we can’t unite as one voice and make some waives?
We all know bitching and complaining is not going to get us anywhere. We all know that the front office has to know that the fans are upset, hell, I bet they are upset themselves, or at least they better be. But do they care about us, the fans? Probably not, they count on us to keep buying the jerseys of the high priced free agents they keep bringing in that end up doing nothing for the team.
So if you want to stop buying merchandise, than do that. If you want to pickett outside HQ, than do that, if you want to call someone, than get on the phone, if you want to send an email, than start typing. Do what you think is best, but do it as one voice. So that we can get the message across that the Nation has united, and we are asking to put a stop to all the nonsense within the organization. If we do it as one, we will be heard.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Did someone say Chaos….?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
And the point for taking all Kiffin’s headcoaching authority away? Al wants Kiffin to resign!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
You guys can rant and rave about the offense but it has improved, as terp has posted current nfl rankings.
This mess will never end until Al Davis stops acting as the DC and GM. Hey al call Mr Rooney of the Steelers as ask him what your involvement should be!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Hey South Texas…..The point is that even if we do win on Sunday….Al needs to go….for all of our benefit……for the long term before we stab someone in the stadium again…..he is driving us nutts…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Azzhole Florio wouldn’t answer any questions about the Raiders on the live chat! Azzhole!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
(Tom Hanks screaming) …WILSON! WIIIILLLSON!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Philly,
I emailed him earlier today too….he doesn’t believe us I guess….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Guys, you can go back and forth with BOB MARLEY, OAKGLENN, and COACH ELKINS all you want to. Go ahead, don’t let me cut in on your dance. But just know you’re arguing with team spin meisters who will never admit they’re wrong. They will just twist your words and change the subject to distract the blog readership from your points. Can’t you guys see it? Just sit back and review the whole comments section today. See it for yourself. You’d have to be blind not to see it. Their pattern is so obvious it’s painful to watch you guys take the bait repeatedly. Just make your point about how Al Davis is obviously ruining this team, then let these idiots say whatever they want in response. Remember, there are more of you, now. And, YOU have the truth on your side. The person with the truth on their side doesn’t have to explain anything, especially when that person is in the MAJORITY. Just leave your mark and let this blog run like an unbridled horse. At the end of the day, it’s BOB MARLEY, OAKGLENN, AND COACH ELKINS making the asses out of their selves. You join in, and it changes the topic from Al’s horrendous management of this team to Kiffin being disloyal and you guys not being real fans. See what I’m saying? Just read between the lines, everyone.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Repost:
Gentlemen,
For those of you that were not part of the discussion yesterday, I thought I would bring it to your attention that we all have an opportunity here to make our voices heard. Outside of the confines of this blog, the world needs to hear that we are fed up with the tyrant that is Al Davis.
I am personally tired of the dumb comments that I recieve from coworkers, and even people in the stores when I wear my Howie or Lester Hayes jersey proudly.
We have longed for change, and change there will be, but we have to collectively be interested in change. Hopefully by the end of next week, we will have a new website up and running…..it goes by the name of buytheraiders.com……the wheels are in motion Nation……I have personally made contact with the commissioners office and the NFL Network to let them know that we are serious and we are done with the false hopes that Mr. Davis continues to place in front of us, only to find that he pulls the carpet right out from under our feet.
But I must insist, this is not about the long History of the Raiders. Mr. Davis has been very good to us for a long time and that will not be forgotten. But the time is now and the time is right, for the Nation Collective to make a stand against the continuous rhetoric that is tearing our team apart.
I love the Raiders enough to put my foot forward and I hope you all do too.
If that is the case, from this point forward so that you distinguish yourself from the individuals who would like to continue to live in the dark, let it be known by adding Nation Collective to your name…..
There will be more details to follow……..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Kiffin has almost no passion when he coaches. This is Kiffins biggest problem….the guy is like a robot out there. I was once told that it is easier to lead with ignorance on fire than intelligence on ice, Kiffin is attempting to do the latter. Lane has all the football knowledge in the world crammed in that head of his, but if he can’t instill a fire in his players than it is useless. We came out on monday and play uninspired football, they were excited, but uninspired. He coaches like he interviews, he has all the flare and charisma of Ben Stein (clear eyes guy).
I think that the young coach from Tampa Bay has a contract that expires this year. I forget his name but i was talking about him a year ago and i was told that Tampa doesnt even let coaches interview elsewhere while they are still under contract. He is there DB coach and was D coord at K State in ‘06 but his name escapes me right now. If you know it could you help out??? I think the combo of him and kiffin could work wonders for this team.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Beating the Chiefs should be a given. However, when you have Al undermining Kiffin and trying to make him quit it makes it difficult. If the same sort of defense is played there isn’t a team in this league the Raiders will beat. If they win Sunday it will be by accident and by the offense playing really well. It will only delay the cold hard truth. Kiffin will either resign or be terminated with the next loss. GUARANTEED!!! Al will install his choice of puppet as head coach and here we go all over again until Al is dead.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
We need to force him out…………I am not waiting until he dies people…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
#205 Raid dog
Good call (although nothing you said upset me)
You will sleep the sleep of a contended man.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Chaos – The guy comes on a football chat and answers questions about Greenday and Kiss??!! Like I said, AZZHOLE!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Do your part….
Call:
The Oakland Raiders
1220 Harbor BayParkway
Alameda, CA94502
510.864.5000
I did and so did many others today….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin
September 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Everyone should read this post:
Dakota Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Dogg, I certainly do not think Kiffin is above reproach. He was tentative last year, and the offense didn’t blow us away on Monday for sure, but just sit back and think about 2006.
Remember that disaster of a season? We were unwatchable. I think we can all agree that last year Kiffin came in and our team looked like an actual NFL team. He maybe didn’t make all the right decisions, but what 32 year old coach does? But he took us 5 steps towards respectability. Remember the look on Shanahan’s face when we kicked the sheet out of the Broncos? Priceless.
But that was back when Kiffin had some control over his fate and had the respect of the players. Kiffin made the right call on Rob Ryan and Al Davis ignored him and then slapped him down in front of the entire world.
Now we have a group of players that know Kiffin is a dead man walking, and they see the friction between Rob Ryan and Kiffin, and Kiffin and Davis, so they have no united leader to rally behind, and that is a very important element of winning don’t you agree?
This really isn’t about Kiffin, it is about what caused Kiffin to go from a head coach that had the ear of his players, to the Kiffin that is emotionally drained and seemingly numb to the current situation.
Sure, Kiffin could be handling things better, but he had us on the right track, and he gave Davis great advice, but Davis blew it all up over ego, and now we are all paying for it. That is the real picture. I for one think Kiffin has to be fired now because the situation is unworkable, but I despise Al Davis for making it that way, and I don’t blame Kiffin for standing up to him and demanding that he be fired and paid, because Kiffin did nothing that merits the treatment he is receiving. Who wouldn’t look for another job when your boss is always sheeting on you?
I don’t care who the head coach is as long as the owner steps back, allows the coach to coach and hire his assistants and have some influence over player selections. The problem with this franchise is that Al Davis does not seem capable of allowing that situation to occur, and that is how you win in today’s NFL. You have to give the coach authority and respect otherwise the players become divided and the system breaks down.
This isn’t about one game, this is about a long, long history of Al Davis making very poor decisions and running an NFL franchise deep into the ground.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Al Davis = Harvester of Sorrow
September 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
You know what….they don’t believe we are serious either….they think this is some plot…..that is until I told them I was going to the media with our discontent
September 11th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
NC-chaos,
what do propose that we do, besides raise a Billion dollars to buy the Raiders??? Im all for taking this team back and although im not in Oakland i stand strong with my northern brothers, but what is your course of action???
September 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Oakgleen,had to leave for awhile but about post 120-did you see the Buffalo/seattle score,or the
Pitt. score.it happens and once the ball starts rolling there isn’t much even the best coaches can do about it.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
To “Coach Elkins”:
Whaddaya thinkin….???? If your intelligence fails you, then use logic: the Raiders were destroyed by the candy-ass, smirky little freak, Shanahan….yee gods man,reason it out: 1) Coach Kiffen attemtped to fire Rob(the retard/”forget about the blitz”)Ryan; 2) he (Kiffen) was overruled, (and by the way, effectively de-nutted), by the genius, T-Al; 3)thereinafter, T-Al and Rob the retard, in a joint and psuedo-phantasmic delirium (a sort of psychodramatic, delusionary grandeur, timewarped back into the glory of the 70’s and 80s, when the Raiders were the Raiders), pretended to foster competence. 4) and you blame that on Coach Kiffen?
The point is, how can you defend T-Al? The Al Davis of old is way gone, my friend.
We would all be better served to hit up an elderly care facility, recruit some alzheimer victims, stick them 8 in the box, probably with much better results.
I’m sorry Coach, but T-Al and Rob (the retard) gotta go. And unfortunately, maybe you too.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
fire kiffin fire kiffi fire kiffin fire kiffin fire kiffin
….and…
hire the next scapegoat hire the next scapegoat hire the next scapegoat hire the next scapegoat.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
sorry-Oakglenn
September 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
you could hear this PR guy flaming in the ears……he all of a sudden got interested in the conversation……….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Hell Raiderrrs …post 138:
Thanks for the link, good read. I’ve always trashed Nancy Gay, as I see her as a Raider hater. However, she sure wrote a telling article which is hard to argue against. I don’t pay attention to the 49ers, so I wasn’t aware of how bad they had dropped as well. I guess the whole bay area has had it bad, be you a Raiders fan or a 49ers fan. You have to admit, she’s on point.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Why would any good coach wanna come here to be the head coach? Al isn’t gonna pay the going rate and he isn’t gonna let him have any control. No GM would come here either cuz he knows he would really be doing his job. The only reason why guys like Wilson, Walker, Hall, ect. come here is for the money. You cannot win with that kind of organization. If you ran a real business like that you are gonna go bankrupt. Raider will NEVER be a good team or organization ever again until Al is dead.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Oakglenn, who do we replace Kiffin with? Who’s our next scapegoat?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
OG -
So since you work for the Raiders how about hooking a brother up with a job?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Sell the team to a group of Japanese investors that know nothing of football and hire Terry Bradshaw as GM, with Elvis Toast Paterson as coach and we may improve.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Someone said Jerry Jones is like Al Davis, but he really is far from Al Davis.
Jerry Jones let JJ run the show and they won 2 SB, then Jerry got an ego the size of Texas and thought he could do it himself…and he did win a SB with a puppet coach, but then things went down hill.
That is where the similarities end, because Jerry Jones was smart enough to realize he couldn’t do it alone, so he hired Bill P. Al Davis can’t make that jump, so really, Jerry Jones is hands on, but he was smart enough to step back enough to allow the coaches to coach…Al isn’t there yet, and never will be.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Or better yet…Joe Klecko as coach…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
RaiderDogg, you could probably get a higher position with the Raiders applying yourself. I didn’t say Oakglenn was Al’s right hand man. I said he works for the team. He probably works in the mail room. either way, he must work for the team, or he has to be the single most retarded Raider fan I’ve ever encountered on the internet.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
We need to make noise…..outside of this blog……we are stronger in numbers guys……..put the word out and have people email the nfl network….call the nfl office….make our voice be heard……purchasing shares of the raiders in in our futures…I feel it in my heart of hearts…..but we need to put pressure if we expect these guys to hear us…..you need to remember something guys, we are the Raider Nation……….we are deep in society in every walk of life…….we have our hands on whether or not the league and or team can survive…..but you have to look at it from a stand point that each and every one of you make a difference……and it will take each and every one of you to make that difference……
September 11th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Oakglenn, who do we replace Kiffin with? Marley? Coach Elkins? It seems Kiffin is not good, right? Who do we replace him with? Who’s the next scapegoat?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Does Mark Fletcher still work for the Raiders?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Brien<——just called the Raiders headquarters and the lady is wondering why so many are calling today and not on tuesday after monday’s tough game
September 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
He was a good fraternity brother
September 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Davis defenders think that we sit here and somehow enjoy talking about our dysfunctional situation. I for one just want wins. But it is hard to win when you have one man making decisions of defensive planning and personnel choices without the necessary input from a head coach.
I hope to all that is right that the Raiders beat the Chiefs and beat them badly! I want a reason to go to Buffalo next week and watch my Raiders. But I will not drive 5 hours, buy a jersey to represent, and spend $300 dollars on tickets, food etc…to watch an 0-2 team and then have to watch them get that beat down live and in person with all the ridicule.
Just win baby!!!! hey Al, let Kiffin do his damn job
September 11th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Brien<——–also gave my support of Al Davis……..I’m a kool aid drinker and I’m not on Kiffin’s side here he has done nada to earn shhhhhhit
September 11th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Lol A. Friend post 282.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Brien……I told you…..they think we are gonna stop, but it does not stop until we get what we want……Al Davis to be gone……..and who ever is in the mail room or anywhere else in the Raiders Org…..we are gonna make it happen……….mark my words……what did they say in pulp fiction…..
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Al Must Go……………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Al Davis= king of the world
Kiffin= loser bum who needs to know his place
September 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Remember all the things Sapp said after leaving the Raiders? Phones ringing on the sidelines all the time, ect. Gee I think an ex-player saying that the organization is messed up has some weight. Face it people the Raiders are fu*ked up as hell and they gonna stay that way until the Godfather is DEAD. Soon nobody will want to work for Al and soon players won’t want to play for a losing organization.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Al must stay for life!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Rumors of a stadium walkout for the SD game. Any truth? They did it in Tampa years ago. “Dump Ray in the bay”. Now it’s “dump Al in the bay”, just another bay on the other side of the country. Same concept. It got some traction back then. The media would so have our backs. We know that much. Some of us have to call the local news stations and tell them what we’re going to do. Man, they’ll take care of the rest. They’ll be in the parking lot with cameras to interview fans.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Who is Kiffin’s agent? If we could contact him, he would know how to get the word out about our displeasure of Al Davis…that would give kiffin some leverage in his battle against the Evil One!
Muhahahaha
September 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
If you think for one second Rob Ryan doesn’t talk sh!t about Kiffin you are crazy. You know that fat a$$ is jealous of him because he is younger and 237 lighter than Rob Ryan. He creates division with this team, and division within the franchise. It’s obvious who is the issue.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Friend…..Do you work for the Raiders……?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Kiffen will return to haunt us just like Shanahan, Gruden , trust me on this
September 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Need to call and email Raiders HQ everday over and over. AL MUST GO! AL MUST GO! AL MUST GO!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Funny questions you ask there buddy……very inquisitive…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
But as I’ve been railing this off-season. YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON MANAGEABLE DOWN AND DISTANCE.
The clock and score, have to be taken into account.
You cannot rely on one facet of the game. To be good, you have to be able to do all thing well
September 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
And COACH all things well too, right KK?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
A. Friend
Tuesday’s episode of the Shield was pretty good. You may want to give that show another chance…
September 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Pulp Fiction= one ofthe most overrated POS movies ever
September 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
The Nation Collective is coming for you Al…………..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I still have faith in Al.
I think he will start to yield more control to others even go so far as a GM.
And I am hoping that more control includes giving it to Kiff. Al needs to make sure Kiff can stand up to adversity and Kiff seems to be laughing in the face of adversity even as he stands on the end of the plank with one eyed, one legged pirates poking at him with long knives.
That will win Al’s respect.
I cant help but be a full time optimist for my all time favorite team.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Brien why do you post on this site?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
On the other hand, if you’ve got no useful offensive tackles or wide receivers, what the heck else can you do?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Brien…..yeah but there were good quotes bro…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Kiffin looked for another job last year, whatever damage that has been done to Kiffins player relationship is self inflicted. If he was the leader of the team than they would rally behind him in the face of adversity, but i have a feeling that they feel as betrayed as Al Davis does. Players always have the back of their coach as long as he has their back, look at what the Browns did for Romeo and the Giants did for Coughlin. They were on their last leg and all but abandoned by the ownership, but they were the leaders of their team. The players responded to their leader and it is amazing because Coughlin wasn’t even well liked by the players.
How Al is handling this is wrong because if he isn’t gonna let Kiffin coach he should let him go. I think that he actually beleives in what Rob Ryan is doing though. Al is about consistency and if he feels something will work he will stick to it. If everytime we got blew out or shut out we changed the coach or the coordinator we really would be hard pressed to find anyone to fill the jobs. Perfect example of this is Art Shell. We all know that he is one of Al’s favorites, but Al knew that he couldn’t get the job done, and that no amount of consistency with what Art was doing would help. After analyzing the situation and realizing that he would get ridiculed by the media for it, he decided to go ahead and get rid of him.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Only punks would do a walkout for the SD game………you pu$$ies deserve a coward’s death
September 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Andrews Mom:
If your comments are right on post 306, that is a helluva way to treat somebody just to gain their trust and loyalty.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Andrews…….how long have you been in the dumps????Do you have a good job?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
post 306 obviously an idiot why have the name Einstein when you are hair brained moron?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Do you stay in relationships because they are convienant?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Andrews Mom has more sack than some of the men who post on this blog
September 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Why cant Al davis enjoy his last years away from business? why cant he tour the world or something and let his son control the raiders. we would be in a better boat
September 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Do you work for the same company that you have been with for 30 years because you drink the Kool Aid that one day you will be a Manager….and you wont have to clean the pits of the office the rest of your life?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Raiders will be 0-3 and without Kiffin for the SD game. Need to get the word out to all ticket holders to bring signs saying “AL MUST GO”! I’m not gonna take Al’s sh*t anymore. Also, start writing to the San Jose Mercury News, SF Examiner, Chronicle, Oakland Tribune and CC Times. Call into KNBR (yeah I know they are azzholes) and voice your hatred for Al and what he is doing to our organization.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Brien? Post 314.
What?? WTF are you saying? I didn’t understand an SINGLE phuking thing you said in your post. Are you speaking in retard, because I don’t speak retard buddy. But it’s cool if you are, I’m not dissing the “special” bus riders.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Al made kiffin start Grove right? A guy who wouldnt start at center on any other team inthe NFL except ours while at least an above average center like John Wade is inactive? Bullshhhhhhit
September 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Just move the team to LA that will solve all of the problems.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn to the retard talk……..only retard talk came from post 306
September 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDogg, I love the Shield. New season? Thought they were still doing re runs.
To the person who asked; Yes, I do work for the team. I have an idea who Bob Marley is. He’s high up, let’s put it that way. Oakglenn and Coach Elkins are a couple of flunkees and i think I have an idea who they are. Although all of those guys have the same bonehead, die hard mentality. It could be any of them.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
The way you put the respect for Al bro is over and done with….I lost faith in the old man years ago…..and the only reason I have not made a big issue of it is because I thought that one day he would step aside….but I see not that the old guy can’t do it anymore…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Fire Kiffin and be replaced by WHOM? Rob ryan who can’t even coach up a Defense that he has had for 5yrs—-Please–How about immediately fire rob ryan and have kiffin appoint his own DC then he would be a real HC. But that will not happen as long as AD is involved. Those of you who think he does not have the ears of his players–esp on offense are delusional! And i am all for making some noise about this situation as nation collective suggests
September 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I like boobies!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Phuck LA!!! LA almost destroyed the franchise…….the team never belonged in scum ass west hollywood LA anyways
September 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
The worst scenario would be if Kiffin was fired and Rob Ryan took over.
That would be like Brien posting on this blog… oh wait he does, or so I think, I can’t understand his sentances.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
and he is making my life miserable with the STUPID decisions he is making…..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Fire Kiffin and replace him with anyone we cant be any worse……I’ll take Lofton shhhhhhit
September 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
3-1 when the bye week comes around.
let me hear the bashing remarks.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
post 328= that was awful………try again lackey
September 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Brien–Are you gonna follow someone blindly no matter what they do to you? How much more abuse will you take until you say enough? If you are a true Raider fan you cannot stand for this. This team has a realistic shot of not winning a game this year. You will still bow down to Al after that?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Lots of talk about the walkout. If you guys do it though, remember, to contact the press first. The press will be there with cameras. There’s so many reasons for this I don’t know where to start. Let me just give you a hint: team security. Need I say more? …Not to mention some fans who won’t be happy with what you guys are doing. The cameras are your guys’ best weapons. Only a few people have the balls to commit assault on live t.v. You guys will be fine. Just call KTVU or any local station, let them know what’s going on.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
SouthTexas…….damn right the bashing wouldnt go on…..he should be 3-1 with this team!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
South Tex…..I wish bro…I wish….maybe the Cowboys….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Somewhere today Art Shell is laughing.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
If Brien thinks boycotting the SD game is a bad idea, then I for one think it must be a really good idea. Brien,with every word you type, you are making yourself sound dumber and dumber. Please stop, you are destroying your own integrity faster than Al Davis.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Come on not winning a game? Start back taking the meds my friend
September 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Brien is exactly the epitome of what Al Davis has created. Let me help you illerterate Brien.
Dakota, I think the harvenger was Briens mom…
September 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
STR, if we are 3-1 going into the bye week I will change Al’s diapers for him, and give Ryan a tummy rub.
….I just dry-heaved a little….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Richard…post 219:
Excellent…right on point with tons of humor. You should write some one-liners for Jay Leno. Your post was the best of the day, so far. Thanks.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ the imbecilic post by “triple” B. You stay down with your team no matter what!!!! You boycott it shows how much a wimp you truly are
September 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
I think the calls made these guys realize that they should take us a little more serious…..huh Friend…….Who put the word out?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
If you want to make a statement just wear a bag over your head (like you wish your wife would), that will get you on TV then flash the Al must go sign.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Mom talk= go back to 5th grade Wil Valderama
September 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Marley
Where did Russel fumble in the 1st?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
SouthTexas—whatever you smoking I want some. I would bet my truck, my house, my dog, my son and my life they won’t be 3-1. That isn’t a dream or fantasy. That is straigt up impossible for this team.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Bag over your head? no we will leave that to the jets of the 90s
September 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
A. Friend
They are already 2 episodes into this season, which is the final season of the Shield.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
LMFAO post 339
September 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
nice ……boobies………
September 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Monta….Sounds like you listen to country music.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
post 337……..Art isnt laughing he has his clipboard taking more notes
September 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
A. Friend……Who put the word out?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Country Music= redneck classics
September 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Brien you are a complete tool.. lol
September 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
post 348= oh my god LMBAO
September 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Monta says:
I would bet my truck, my house, my dog, my son and my life they won’t be 3-1
Thats country.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
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September 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I’m a tool alright
September 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Brien = IDIOT
September 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
SO, to post# 246, do we all agree???
September 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Dogg,
I don’t think you saw my post last night, the chick on the Shield I was talking about played Paula for about 10 episodes, her man plays Gardocki or something like that
Paula…was that the actress that you were thinking of?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
rich Gannon= zzzzzzzzzzzzz ……….WATCH OUT FOR DERRICK BROOKS!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
You guys are acting like your are planning to overthrow Cuba or something. It’s just football, and we have a winnable game on Sunday
September 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Nation–Dude I live right here in the East Bay. You think people who own trucks & dogs listen to country crap? C’mon now.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Notice how the level of discussion, and education for that matter, drops when Brien comes in. It’ like our keyboards were manufactured at the trailer park chemistry center Brien lives at.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
A walkout would be a huge statement. It’s a brilliant idea. It lets Al Davis know he’s lost his constituency. Part of the reason he does the arrogant things that he does is because he thinks he has a legion of fans that will follow him over the edge. After the SD game, he’ll no longer have that assurance. Everything else has been tried. Bags on the head? Come on. You have to make this big. Again, contact the press. Get the ball rolling. There is nothing wrong with what you guys are doing. Most of you are consumers paying major $$$ for b.s. year after year. It’s an exercise of your first amendment right. Start with a peaceful demonstration in the parking lot. If security asks you to leave the stadium, then leave. The message has been sent. They can’t do anything to you if you’re en route to your car and leaving. And if they try to, they can say hi to their mothers on candid camera while they’re doing it. This is why you have to call the press. Also, you have to factor in some Davis die hards like our friend Brien here. Most of these guys are all talk but one of them sucker punched a cop last week. So it needs to be paid attention to. But just make sure you do 3 things: 1) contact the press 2) Do not break any law 3) if you’re asked to leave, leave. Doing these 3 things will absolve you from any legal consequence. Best of luck.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
trailer park= place where white people live………try again sir
September 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Einstein…………yawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnn to the education crap……..this is a blog about the Raiders. We are not discussing anything academic……be serious
September 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
LOL…….Just kiddin bro….Dont take it personally….
September 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Vegas,
they might have a easier time tring to take over CUBA.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Walkout= huge idiot brigade
September 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Bags over the heads wont work, most people will think it’s just Raider fans and their costumes.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Kiffin’s days seem pretty clearly numbered.
Whether or not you see his actions and reactions in the media as showing refreshing candour or disloyalty doesn’t seem to be the point.
Anyone honestly think when Kiffin gets fired things are going to magically improve……..?
There’s only one guy who might believe that the only thing keeping the Raiders from greatness is Lan(c)e Kiffin.
I think it’s a fair assumption that some if not all of Cable, Knapp & Rathman will be gone shortly after. So where would that leave us.
Almost certainly with a 6th consecutive losing season, needing a completely new coaching staff, a complete rethink in terms of player personel dept, with gaping holes in the roster at multiple positions and a smattering of young talent.
Forget its the raiders. What might a credible turnaround plan look like for a team in that situation.
Well for starters it’s going to take more than a single offseason. You’re looking at 3 years minimum. And over that time you’re going to need consistency in the coaching staff, scheme philosophy and a coordinated approach to player personnel that fits you’re system needs. and you’re going to need some luck.
Forget it’s the Raiders how might you start. You kickstart the plan by making the dual appointment of a new GM and Head Coach. You want experience, you want them to be philosophically compatible and to make them accountable you make it their show. They gut their respective staffs however they see fit and you start your 36 month clock.
Three seasons, three draft, three offseasons with a common approach building a roster to play a certain way. If you’re not making pretty serious headway in the turnaround by then it’s time to ring the changes.
To me that sounds like a completely rational way to go about trying to get us out of this mess and start tp build a winning dynasty.
The fact is that an approach anything like this has zero chance of happening with Al around.
And what’s Al’s big turnaround plan….?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
NATION lol………..well you can go to Castro Valley and they are blasting country tunes lol
September 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Friend……Who put you up to this?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Dakota
Honestly I was just talking some mess because I thought she was your ex girl and not your ex’s sister. I figured she deserved some heat for being your ex.
I will have to go back and watch some of the earlier stuff to refresh my memory in order to give you an honest opinion. I have all of the previous seasons on DVD, what season were they featured in?
September 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Brian = Spider
September 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Didn’t Detroit try this walk-out thing last year, and Matt Millen is running things into the ground still. Save your energy folks
September 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
vegas raider Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
You guys are acting like your are planning to overthrow Cuba or something. It’s just football, and we have a winnable game on Sunday
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Yes, this is our BAY OF PIGS…..but with lipstick!
We are doomed to fail, but must try anyhow!
September 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
lol, A. Friend is like that dude on the shoulder saying “DO IT, DO IT, COME ON DO IT”
September 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
come on idiots…….a walkout? Are you serious? The Lions fans had the orange out thing remember? Did Millen get fired? Pointless
September 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
#376 – that’s what we are all saying bro..
September 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Hey Brien….I am with you….Support the team guys….We have to hit big al where it hurts the most…..his thought that we owe him for something….your loyality is what matters most to him….but that does not mean walking out of a game or boycotting the games….it simply means stepping up and making noise
September 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Brien is the name and no I’m not spider……if you go back a few blogs ago you saw me and Spider arguing………..try again B*itch Gannon
September 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Jerry,
Just read your ten reasons why the Raiders will beat the Broncos. Do you know anything about football? That was brutal.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Do Not Ever, FORGET
September 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
post 386……..that makes more sense than anything…..a walkout looks bad on us
September 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Dakota
Honestly I was just talking some mess because I thought she was your ex girl and not your ex’s sister. I figured she deserved some heat for being your ex.
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Lol, thanks man, don’t worry about it.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
forget what 909?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
This blog is at least exciting todat unlike the GOP convention
September 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
So you were having an argument with yourself? Thats ALMOST as smart as the stuff that comes out of your mouth.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Walking out of a stadium is a peaceful demonstration, not a “takeover”. See what’s happening here, guys? They’re equating the walkout to violence. That’s where the Cuba comparison is coming from. That’s why they’re raising that red herring. It’s a subtle threat. Ignore it. As long as you don’t break any laws, you can walk out of a stadium and demonstrate in the parking lot, until you’re asked to leave. When you’re asked to leave, leave. That’s all. Message sent. I promise you, if there is any violence committed it will be by people against the walkout, like the guys in here raising the Cuban revolution comparison. THEY are the ones who’ll try and make it that way. And they’ll be on camera when they do it. But I doubt they will. Most of these guys are all talk.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
B*itch Gannon go play in traffic you moist snatch
September 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Brien, Al Davis is not going anywhere ,Kiffin may be ,and soon if the Raiders lose this week.Kiffen is like a spoiled kid,again,shut up and coach!!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
#386, standing up and making noise? I believe they call that cheering, but I am not sure, its been awhile since I was able to do that at a Raiders game. I don’t think cheering at games is gonna get any point across, other than “yay team”
September 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Friend needs help
September 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I do love me some moist snatch!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Tolworth Raider–If (when) Kiffin is fired, Davis will revert back to a retread coach and that means Lofton (interim), or Hackett and don’t forget about Fassel. Regardless, it will mean a bed & breakfast derivative offense complete with 7 step drops and long developing routes to “take advantage” of Russell’s cannon arm….Of course Al will ignore our “tender” offensive tackles capability to block long enough and that will result in JaMarcus taking a lot of sacks. Al might, and I mean, might, go out and sign a used up tackle way beyond his prime, another free agent to get one more pay day. B.S….You know what? Al should have never fired Art Shell. Art was the perfect coach for his mentality. A coach who wouldn’t care about the lack of control over the game plan. Perhaps Al should have just hired a new OC and left Art in their. Al can’t handle the youth, energy and new ideas of a Lane Kiffin
September 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Einstein
Its a dog eat dog world and I hope Al is just throwing everything at his dog in the hopes it will eat shanahan’s dog.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
So people, do we agree or what? Brien, do you at least agree with the fact that Al Davis has made very poor decisions in the past few years? Do you agree with him bring so involved with the coaching? If you don’t, than you agree with some things needing change, right?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Willie I know this brother!!!!! Kiffin is gone monday if we lose this winnable game
September 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
A. Friend = Guevara
September 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Nation no doubt nothing worse than signing Fairy Rice June 3rd, 2001
September 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Rich Gannon once ate a 72oz. steak, he spent the first 45 minutes doing his waitress and the next 15 finishing the steak.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
lol Gannon
September 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Yeah something needs to change……..Kiffin needs to be ousted pronto
September 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
A walkout is probably the only answer. Take it from someone who speaks to Al Davis at least 3 times per week. It’s just the kind of thing that would get to him. He’s different than Matt Millen. Al Davis relies on your guys’ support more than he’ll ever let on. Of course, it’s hard for you guys to believe it because he treats you like crap. But it’s true. He banks on you guys backing him up. If you guys let him know you’re not there anymore, with a surprise gesture like this, it would work. He’ll at least keep Kiffin for another year.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
post 407……….virtual reality doesnt count
September 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
And Brien needs an education.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
9/11/01
September 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Bart…..You know thats not what I mean bro….I am not talking about cheering for the team…..although I think you should still do that….what I am saying is that when we get the website up…buytheraiders.com….post on the blog….sign the petition that we are getting together to get the Tyrant out of the Owners box……make the NFL know that we are sick of the old man and want change….and if we are not heard at that point, then take drastic measures…..but no violence….that does not speak volumes….it makes us as bad as the people of the world think we are…..a bunch of idiots and the last time I looked, I was not an idiot…..
September 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Brien
Stfu with that LA sh!t dogg, real talk. You dont know squat about my city so shut yo fukkin face. LA brought us a Superbowl, I don’t give a fcuk what u think that we did to the raiders but you can shut that LA dissin up right now. The raiders were no where near west hollywood homie, they were in south central.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
A couple of years ago the Lions fans organized a “Millen Man March” to protest Matt Millen’s equally inept management of the Lions. The fans had a protest march to the stadium, complete with signs and everything. Got some tv play and was organized through the radio station
September 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Friend……….yup sure anything you say
September 11th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Phuck LA and the smogged out air you breathe
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Vegas Raider, I’m a capitalist, a hard core conservative Republican, and I’m pretty sure I’m more successful than you. So save your Che comparisons.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Seriously, get me Kiffin’s agent’s number and I will get Adam Shefter’s number from him and give Adam a call.
Our anger will be known to Al and the world.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
ill wait to until then to tell yall i told you so
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Most my life
Whats a job?
Im a Raider fan, Alhomer and an it is what it is type of guy. Just sharing some more random thoughts to make some people think.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
LA didnt bring a damn super bowl……..the 83 team was damn near the same as the 80 team……when the Oakland guys started leaving the franchise started falling and its been a struggle ever since……..I know alot about your city
September 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Post 416 from one SoCal to another, AMEN BROTHER.
Brien time to get back to cleaning the restrooms, your break is over. Get out of the student library, log off the computers, and get back to your janitorial duties. Gotta pay that rent bro.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
S&B – I agree. I simply don’t see how things will improve until Al steps down. I think we’re doomed to keep repeating the cycle of the last 5 years until he does.
And another thing if Al doesn’t listen to his head coach, doesn’t listen to the scoreboard, doesn’t listen to our record over the last 5 years. Then what in the world would make anyone think he’ll listen to the fans.
Tolworth
September 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Hey Friend….Thats rediculous…….we need stability ion the coaching ranks…enough with the coaching changes already…..we want the Tyrant gone…..and you can tell him that………
September 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
south central homie……….you gonna c-walk for me homie……..westsider riders…….coem on ice cube i mean mack 10 or is it WC?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Crop circles are Rich Gannons way of telling us that sometimes corn just needs to lay the F*** down.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Brien time to get back to cleaning the restrooms, your break is over. Get out of the student library, log off the computers, and get back to your janitorial duties. Gotta pay that rent bro.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
lol from one socal guy to another? so you guys are swapping tongue rings with each other?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Lol Brien I am a 51 year old year old cement mason.
I made the nickname up last year to defend and stick up for Andrew when he was outplaying everyone but kiff would not let him play
September 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
B
Brien time to get back to cleaning the restrooms, your break is over. Get out of the student library, log off the computers, and get back to your janitorial duties. Gotta pay that rent bro.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Einstein sure………you do keep trying I’ll give you that……futile your attempts maybe butthe effort is there……….call you the 2007 Raiders
September 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
2002..”Gruden is a traitor, Callahan can run this team”
2003…”Callahan is in over his head, he needs to be ousted pronto”
2005…”Norv Turner is an overpaid OC, we need a new coach to instill some discipline, Norvall needs to be ousted pronto”
2006…”Art Shell? Art Shell? WTF?”
2008…”Lane Kiffin is in over his head, he needs to be ousted pronto”
2009…”James Lofton is in over his head, he needs to be ousted pronto”
September 11th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
A. Friend…..what position do you hold in the organization…….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Einstein and I’ll go back to cleaning restrooms and you can go back to fellating producers so you can get involved with your “hollywood” career as an actor
September 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
because it seems like you would like to see some madness come of the Nation…..why? How does that help you any?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I dont do none of that sh!t and i aint none of those dudes, but I am La born a bred. Whats your hang up with La, you sound like a hater and a wannabe. I got mad respect for your opionions on football and even your political views, but like i said before when you diss my city its like a slap in the face of me and my family whom have done so much for this place.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
LOL. Chaos, as far as Al Davis knows I’m in his corner one hundred percent. He’ll never figure out it’s me. He’ll suspect about 3 other people of doing what I’m doing before he’ll suspect me. I don’t know how to explain this to you guys. But believe me, a walkout is all that will work with someone like Al Davis. You guys have to understand how much Al takes advantage of your loyalty. He factors it into every risky decision he makes. A gesture like this would be just the intervention he needs. In fact, intervention is the best word to use. Obviously, Al Davis isn’t going anywhere. But this type of intervention lets him know that he can no longer take the fan base for granted. They will show him up, just like a coach would.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Hey guys….I am a So. Cal guy too….and I do not suck c*ck…….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I better stop talking on LA………severe and his crip homies may get me……..all that jeri curl juice flying at me may be too much to endure………homie
September 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Tolworth–Its pretty bad. I don’t think he will listen to the fans. However, we do know that he hates losing. That’s the only saving grace really. I just wish he would get some help. Didn’t Ron Wolf used to work with him for years? Also Bruce Allen. I don’t get it. Hopefully, Kiffin can get the offense to really give it to the Chiefs. Hopefully, Al realizes how important continuity is with a young QB like Russell.
Then again, maybe power is more important than principle.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
yo brien
September 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I’m pretty sure if anyone gets fired this season it is going to be RR, if Al thinks its a good idea to let Kiff go, then he is more off his rocker then I thought, hasn’t he learned that lesson. 434 good post Bart!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
get over the no cal so cal deal…
September 11th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Chaos, I can’t tell you my title but I can tell you this, it doesn’t matter. We have guys called Quality Control managers who file paper work and guys titled Utility Clerks who write out players’ contracts. Job title means nothing here.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
My fault homie I dont want you and the big homies to get active on me
September 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
You guys would be smart to stop listening to “A. Friend” pronto, somethings not right here.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
But how do you know so much about Al’s inner workings….he doesn’t tell that crap to anyone….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
So whats new with the Raiders today?…any good news or is it the same ol crap,…lousy team,..idiot coaches…insane owner…etc.,…seems like that was what we were talkin about a year ago….same as it ever was
September 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
NATION……the problem is when people say the Raiders need to go back to LA is when I get pissed…..LA is and never was the home of the Raiders…….it was a 16 game road trip and those people down there didnt do a damn thing to add on tothe legacy damn near killed it……..those are facts
September 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Kansas
Most of us are already that smart.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Kansas…..Thats what I am getting at….almost like its Shannarat talking over there….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Hey Jim Lofton the Raiders should go to LA then Al can win again you know
September 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
How do you think the defensive planning meeting with Ryan and Davis went today. Anyone predict any changes in the defensive game plan?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
LA Raider Brien… Need to get away from you in the Gay Bay.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Sup Jim?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
LOL. There’s the threat again, guys. Listen, these guys are smart. They won’t come right out in threaten you, but they will subtly do it. Comparing the walkout to a communist takeover, this is to make you feel as if your demonstration is unamerican or unpatriotic. Now you have KansasBlack (note the name..”black”) saying, “you guys would be smart” to ignore me. It’s another threat. Again, this is why it’s important to contact the press. They’ll take care of everything. Trust me on this.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Jim L.
The only good news is for you; you might be up for a promotion sooner than you think. Good luck!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I have nothing against the LA Raiders, I was born in 80 so when I started following the NATION thats what they were, Bo Jackson Baby! Wait, maybe he wants a job, last I heard he was making BBQ sauce. And Bo KNOWS BBQ sauce!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
gay bay? and what is west hollywood?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
If the DMV can take the drivers license away from someone no longer capable of driving safely. The NFL should likewise be able to stop Al Davis from further screwing up this franchise. The commissioner should be able to force Al Davis to hire a competent GM and to create an environment where Al only speaks to the GM. Further, the Head Coach should be allowed to be the Head Coach and control who works for him and who doesn’t.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Oh look here comes Briens little B!tch to suk his d!ck. Jim Lofton err Brien, err Spider.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Bro I used to go to every home game here…Grew up 3 blocks from the stadium….and no I do not think the org was almost dead here…..I think the Raiders were well respected and can be thought of that was for both locations…..there was never anything wrong with the LA Raiders…..especially when they won the SB on my B-Day in 84
September 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
or hollywood period?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Chaos, you’d flip if you had one conversation with Al Davis. He spills his guts on a daily basis. That close to the vest persona is for the public, which includes you guys. Understand, to him, fans are no higher on the pissing troth than the outsiders. He takes advantage of your guys’ support. Period. But to us, he’s an open book. I could write a hundred books on Al Davis. I just wouldn’t want to deal with the litigation.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Einstein………i see hollywood has already worked his magic on you
September 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Can we sign Ed Johnson?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Ay brien if you really wanna take it there homey we can, i aint never banged in my life cuz i dont need to hide behind no street or no crew. Damn, jehri curls, crips, c-walk, lol you are having delusions of grandeur.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
alot wrong with the LA Raiders……….they werent the real thing
September 11th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Brien in a man hater in the Gay Bay.. Some dude popped his azz cherry, err broke his heart.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Lofton doesnt consider that good news Bart.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
A Friend….The media has been contacted….we are working on that right now….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Ay homie………dont disrespect the blue I’ma get my big homie Snoop D-O double gizzle on you
September 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
A. Friend, are you that scare looking lady we saw on MOnday standing behind Al?…. “Lady Death”… lol
sorry, had to ask.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Everything starts with and ends with Al. The sooner Davis lovers stop living in the past the sooner they will see this. No wonder the rest of the football loving country laughs at the Raiders. Anyone with eyes who follows football can see he is the problem with this organization, but please Davis lovers tell me how awesome our team was in the 70’s and 80’s.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Brien likes it prison style, reminds him of home.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Right Einstein……….and you are a “virgin” with the men of hollywood……okay
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Brien,
Chill bro…dont make this conversation about some lame topic…..we need to deal with the issues at hand……how do we change the problem….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
“A.Friend”-
Al really is batpoop crazy if he is willing to give me a job and I live in Ks. Kansas = Where I live. Black = one of the two best colors in the world, (silver being the other)
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Einstein,..you couldnt be more wrong about brien,..hes at every game and hits our tailgate every game,..heres an idea, YOU come by our tailgate and say that to him when hes standing in front of you,…ok?…A lot,…silver bronco,…see ya there?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Don’t worry Jim, Al Davis will promise you complete control of the team and oversight over the personnel.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Brien<———never been to prison……try again
September 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
ok i admit that i am gay. whatca want? lay off ok. i am really starting to pissed off at cha all.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
475 = priceless
September 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I love men i cant help it.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
brien why do you even bother with little dorks like einstein?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Brien
You sound like an idiot, i bet your san fran lover really digs those Dreadlocks and and flip flops you wear. Quick question, is he a hair puller???
Al Davis gets mad support in LA….fcuk the raider haters and the LA haters.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
kiss my a$$ chaos, dont tell me whjat to do you. you are worthless in trying to do this. stand up for the raiders quit lying down like my momma.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
lol
September 11th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Raider 11680, no, I’m not her, and I’m not sure who you’re talking abou8t. I didn’t see any lady standing behind Al.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Its not worth my time Brien…Let it go bro….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Tim for me to go back to my custodial occupation lol…….take care
September 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
post 87 Andrews Mom I would hope in our current state Ed Johnson would be signed by now.OMG all of us understand we need SOOO much help on d-line.The NATION TRUELY SHOULD OWN THE NATION.But its prolly all quiet on the “up-grade front
September 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
shut up severeraider. yes he is a hari puller and he likes it when i leave my flip flps on ok.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
You guys fighting over Oakland and LA, Crips, Bloods, etc. If you guys had any idea how much Al has capitalized on that culture, with no concern whatsoever over the blood it’s shed, you’d seriously reconsider the gang life.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
see when I start to lose I leave. can’t take the heat because i am a pu$$y.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
A. Friend Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Fellow Raider fans,
Guys, remember what I said. Bob Marley, Oakglenn, Coach Elkins: NOT Raider fans. These guys work for the team.
Say Bob Marley and Coach Elkins, what departments are you in???
Say Bob Marley, what department are you in????
September 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Hey guys….Repost:
Gentlemen,
For those of you that were not part of the discussion yesterday, I thought I would bring it to your attention that we all have an opportunity here to make our voices heard. Outside of the confines of this blog, the world needs to hear that we are fed up with the tyrant that is Al Davis.
I am personally tired of the dumb comments that I recieve from coworkers, and even people in the stores when I wear my Howie or Lester Hayes jersey proudly.
We have longed for change, and change there will be, but we have to collectively be interested in change. Hopefully by the end of next week, we will have a new website up and running…..it goes by the name of buytheraiders.com……the wheels are in motion Nation……I have personally made contact with the commissioners office and the NFL Network to let them know that we are serious and we are done with the false hopes that Mr. Davis continues to place in front of us, only to find that he pulls the carpet right out from under our feet.
But I must insist, this is not about the long History of the Raiders. Mr. Davis has been very good to us for a long time and that will not be forgotten. But the time is now and the time is right, for the Nation Collective to make a stand against the continuous rhetoric that is tearing our team apart.
I love the Raiders enough to put my foot forward and I hope you all do too.
If that is the case, from this point forward so that you distinguish yourself from the individuals who would like to continue to live in the dark, let it be known by adding Nation Collective to your name…..
There will be more details to follow……..
September 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
time for me to go mop the boys restroom. im outta here like the raiders leaving oakland.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Friend go back to the broncos blog. And I bet you bought your wife a diamond ring?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Jerry….you can not stop that from posting….take off the replication filter….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I’m a lontime Al watcher as well, only from the outside.
Friend’s posts have the scent of truth to me. So far.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
The Cheifs are going to kill us! That will be funny. Im officially throwing in the towel folks, I have been a Raider fan since 1962 (two years after they were established) I’m damn near as old as Al and 100 times more sane. I have this great sence of optamism every year, and this camel just caught his last straw. Say what you will about me folks, but I’m quite tired of the constant state of misery. This is not the team it was in the 70’s and 80’s, or even the 90’s for that matter… I’ve been having these thoughts since around the time Al “traded” Gruden, but, now I’m really just done. I’ve enjoyed my 40+ years as a proud member of the Raider Nation, but, unfortunatly, I can no longer call myself such. Take care youngsters, and mayou last longer than I. I have never been a bandwagon hopper, and will not root for another team, but it has weighed much too heavy on myheart to continue to pray for a resurection of Mr Davis’s sanity, and our respectability. Later Nation…wont be see’n ya.
-George Potter…Raider fan for 46 years…Ex Raider fan for 4 days.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t know who you are, but I could figure it out within hours. Not that I really care. I already know who Marley is.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I really hope the Raiders win this weekend. Then the conversation can shift to issues like, can we beat the Bills….nice to dream…Unfortunately, the current conversation is justified.
Come on Al and Rob…put a game plan together to beat the Chiefs so that I can go to the Bills Raiders game
September 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Davis knows the gaem hasn’t changed.
Still pass, still throw, still tackle.
But the players have.
Some of them don’t have pride, nor honor and aren’t above “stealing” their money by under preforming, sitting out “injured” or being selfish.
The gangstar mentality spoon fed by the media and practiced at the highest levels of Government mean that Davis’ antiquated way of “letting men be men” and letting them show up like they did in the 70’s when they “Played hard, but worked harder” attitude is gone.
He is a brillaint football mind and the gaem has changed that much.
The attitudes, honor and pride of some of its players has.
Until Davis allows for this or at lesat grants the power to fire or dicipline, Kiffin is little more than a teachers aid.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
During the game when the MNF crew were showing Al Davis in the box, and laying blame at his feet. He saw it, and I saw him whine about it. Go back and take a look.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
4eva
Hopefully Al is on it.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
A. Friend Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Vegas Raider, I’m a capitalist, a hard core conservative Republican, and I’m pretty sure I’m more successful than you. So save your Che comparisons.
First of all it was a joke. We are in this together, I am a capitalist, somewhat conservative , and would be more than happy to compare paychecks. Killers don’t talk my friend
September 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
A Friend…what does it matter who he is? Why would there be division inside the organization anyways….oh wait….Al Davis….
September 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
It seems pretty obvious that Kiffin just isn’t an N.F.L. caliber coach, Rob Ryan isn’t an N.F.L. caliber Defensive coordinator, and Al Davis isn’t an N.F.L. caliber general manager.
Last year someone posted an outstanding comment about our ex-personnel man Ron Wolf. Wolf was trained by Al Davis and developed on his own to be a top guy for finding talent. He’s the main reason that Green Bay ended their quarter century doldrums from 1969-1994 or thereabouts. Al has never replaced him and I beleive he’s mistakenly thought that he built the great Raider teams all on his own.
Al has made big mistakes in hiring staff and in getting players. He always hires offensive minded coaches for some weird reason. John Madden is in the H.O.F. and was promoted from the defensive staff. Al Davis is the owner and is not going anywhere, so he needs to make up his mind and take a stand to hire a GM or at least someone with talent and independence that can scout and run the on field operations, and understand the fundamentals of staffing an N.F.L. franchise……….specifically that the game is won in the trenches and that you HAVE to have good line play on both sides of the ball in order to win. Then that guy needs to find a decent head coach. Someone who understands the responsibilities and culture of the N.F.L. When Kiffin made the same cardinal mistake that Callahan did in criticizing his players in front of the media, that showed me that he just doesn’t have the mentality and/or maturity to have the top job. It can be done if Al is willing to change his ways. Maybe he can coax Ron Wolf out of retirement? It couldn’t be more difficult than invading Cuba.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
A. Friend is no friend of the Raider nation. He’s a san diego fan baiting your asses.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I have seen it all.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Kansasblack, believe me, one day I might be at the Broncos blog telling their fans to do the same thing. But today I’m here. Hey, there’s a reason I named myself friend. I’m trying to help. Making the Raiders a good team again rests on your guys’ shoulders. It’s just that you’ve been told the solution is the opposite, to support Al Davis. No, the solution is to outright protest him. Let him know he can no longer take advantage of you. If I were with the Broncos, why would I be giving you advice that would make your team better? Over in Denver, believe me, they want everything here to stay the same. They like the Raiders just as they are. Read between the lines, Raidersblack.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I’m Sorry, I meant KansasBlack, not Raiderblack.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I know who I am.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
C4,…dont let the door hit you in the a$$….good riddance loser.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Well nation, it looks like we’ve just lost one of our oldest members.. you guys catch post 504 from C4?
It’s sad to see a member go, but I can’t say I don’t understand where he’s coming from. It’s damn hard to face my co workers being the only Raider fan at work. But I like you C4 am no bandwagon hopper, and that is probably why I’m the only Raider fan at work.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
jeremetrious, first of all, am I with San Diego or Denver? Those are two mutually exclusive camps. Secondly, if I were with San Diego, why would I be giving you guys advice that would help your team? Try and understand something, Denver, SD, KC, and pretty much the entire league, LOVES the Raiders just as they are. It’s one less team they have to compete with. It’s an easy “W” on their schedule. They don’t want change. They like everything in Oakland as is. If I were with the Chargers, I wouldn’t be telling you guys a thing. I’d just be sitting back and enjoying the train wreck. San Diego doesn’t want to change a thing about Oakland. Let Al do his thing. Make no mistake, the Chargers and the Broncos are the biggest Al loyalists. They support everything he does, because it helps them. Is this not making sense to you?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Nnamdi21–The game has changed. Yes players still throw, catch, run, tackle, throw in kick too. However, that is on the field. However, off the field, Davis was able to take advantage of a relatively unsophisticated front office and scouting infrastructure that existed in the 70’s and 80’s. And even through the 90’s, teams are much smarter about what players they keep or release from their rosters. Davis used to have better players and was able to spot players with talent that were under the radar. That’s not happening. So the talent is more even now, or better than ours. Davis needs to update his tactics. Namely, allow the experts (read Kiffin) manage the game planning and get some freek’n help in the personnel department and make sure your draft picks and free agents match what your coaches are trying to do on the field (read Angelo Hall,,is he press coverage or not)
September 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Silver blood
Nice points
September 11th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Come on guys, don’t you know who A. Friend really is???
September 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
# A. Friend Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t know who you are, but I could figure it out within hours. Not that I really care. I already know who Marley is.
A.Friend since you know who I am what don’t you tell the crowd??? Or is this another thing you are completely full of sh** about.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Just to get off topic for a sec..
But did you guys even know that the reason other owners praise Al Davis’s style so much is because by doing so, it coaxes him into giving up more for their expendable veterans than they would normally get? It’s almost like telling your kid that he’s the best at cleaning bedrooms, and that you’ll time him, just to motivate him to do it. They talk great about Al, Al buys it, then they offer him a veteran who can’t play anymore for more than his value and Al bites, thinking THEY’RE the idiots. If they dissed Al in public, it would let him in on what they’re doing. This is the perception of Al Davis around the league. They don’t want Al Davis to change. They like Al just the way he is. So a rule of thumb: Whenever someone is in a blog like this promoting some type of change in the Raiders’ organization, I can assure you that it is not someone working for another NFL team. They’re the last people who’d be doing it.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Silver Blood … Black Veins Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
It seems pretty obvious that Kiffin just isn’t an N.F.L. caliber coach, Rob Ryan isn’t an N.F.L. caliber Defensive coordinator, and Al Davis isn’t an N.F.L. caliber general manager.
I think Blood and Veins summed it up pretty nicely right there. The question is could you bring in Jim Fassell and Mike Nolan, and have Al give up personnel decisions to get this team back on the right track?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
A Friend–I don’t think the league likes the fact the raiders are this bad….maybe if we were an 8-8 ball club but not this. Reporters in Denver and K.C have bemoaned the fact that the Raiders are just bad. K.C barely made the deadline to sell-out the tickets. Ditka even said the Raiders are a team you love to hate. And there is a reason why all of us are catching hell from co-workers, friends, etc…because everyone loves to hate the Raiders and give its fans sh&t.
This current situation isn’t about hating Davis or Ryan or any of that. Its about winning and for a Raider team to be this bad for this long is unacceptable and everyone wants to change it!!!
I wish Davis was as ahead of the curve now like he was 20 years ago. But the Art Shell experiment didn’t work and this exercise we are going through now isn’t working.
If Davis and his lackeys want the vitrol to stop, then start winning games…This weekend would be a great start
September 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I am not on another team nor do I want to be…I didnt sit on a chair getting inked for 3 hours to jump ship…….I am tired of Al Davis and his Bullshyt……he needs to go…
September 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Oaklglen–Stop trying to set us up to accepting Mike Nolan or Jim Fassel…I say set up because you know doggone well that Davis ain’t going anywhere. The fact you bring up those two show tha you are in lockstep with Al Davis’s approach to this thing. No, Fassel and Nolan would be fired in 2 to 3 years and the Raiders would still struggle mightily!!!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
S&B….thats bullshyt….I am not gonna rest until the tyrant is gone…..and someone with thoughts like you need to go elsewhere…..I hate pessimists……..with the entire Nation behind the movement we can make anything happen….why is that so hard to believe?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
S&B, listen to yourself. I know Raider fans love to say that the league is better when the Raiders are winning, but it’s pure nonsense. The other owners couldn’t care less. It’s all about their own profit. They are doing fine. Ok, A 10 win Raider team might add a little more tv revenue, but it’s not nearly as valuable as having a team in their league that they know will not compete year after year. You’re speaking from a fan’s perspective. I’m speaking from an NFL franchise’s perspective. But, you can think whatever you want.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Oaklglenn–Re post 526: what other team at this point would even consider hiring a Jim Fassel or Mike Nolan? And given the answer to this question, why should the Raiders have to put up with such uninspiring hires? We konw the answer of course.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
A Friend….I do side with him on that…..the Raider Nation does not care about when people talk shyt about us, when we are winning…..I loved it when they would talk crap about us when we were winning the AFC West and going to the bowl…..thats when times were good and the crap didn’t stink….but now that we are in a rutt…the talk needs to be about why we are there and why the NFL needs to intervene…
September 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
S&B, the other teams in the league have an owner who’ll take their washed up veterans for twice, even three times their value. Do you think they want that to change, just to have another 10 win team in the league? You have to remember, the owners are not football fans. They’re business men. The fans are football fans. The two are mutually exclusive existences, with mutually exclusive paradigms on what the NFL is and what it should be.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
it is getting bad guys….real real bad….worse then any other team ever in the NFL….and facts are facts
September 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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September 11th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
A. Friend–A Raider team on top increases the gate when they travel. A Raider team on top, with its controversy and mystique, puts eye-balls on the t.v set.
I guarantee a Oakland Raiders vs. New England playoff rematch gets higher ratings than a New England vs. Houston Texans….
September 11th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Nation Collective – Chaos —- I am all for what you are trying to do. Really! Just don’t know if you will be successful in getting him to quit or sell the team or step down. You might get him to think about firing kiffin a few minutes longer, but it did not work in Detroit with Matt Millen. They had a “Millen Man March” AND the fans at one game wore the colors and cheared for an opposing team when the season was lost.
Again, I hope you make progress
September 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
S&B….One step at a time bro…..I cant let this get too far out of hand….one step at a time..
September 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
GREAT NEW POST!
RYAN LIES HIS ASS OFF AND GOES MAD!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders will win by 35 points this weekend!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
and right after the game Davis calls it a career
September 11th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
McFadden goes nuts, DeAngelo with 2 pick 6’s
September 11th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Just a whole total Raider domination…how sweet it would be to finally see a game like that. I took for granted how awesome we were back during the Gannon days. I miss those days
September 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Jim Lofton Says:
September 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
C4,…dont let the door hit you in the a$$….good riddance loser.
You are a foolish young person, as I once was. Wait around all you want, I’m surprized I even offended you so much, I thought it was a pretty respectful farewell.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
post 408 nice post
September 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
post 480 sorry
September 11th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I’m soo used of writing 408!!! U there 408???
September 11th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
post 504 George Potter BROTHER SINCE 1962 46 YEARS.It is my honor 2 introduce myself 2 you.I am 4evaRaider kenneth hert,Raider fan since 1964 when I was 6 years old.I am asking you 2 reconcider.True it is not what it once was;but come on MY BROTHER,if us old-timers dont carry us on,maybe no one else will.I read post where we have fans that wernt born or didnt see the light when we was DA BOMB.Im sick 2 but I will NEVER waiver and Im here 2 tell you I wont let you either.I love and respect you George Potter,and am greiving 2,but a RAIDER NEVER QUITS;THE RAIDERS RETURN 2 GLORY IS INEVITABLE!!!
September 11th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
POST 518 JIM LOFTON; how dare you.C4 is a TRUE RAIDER BROTHER!!! youre the loser ufck you
September 12th, 2008 at 9:45 am
This place sure has gone downhill. Where there used to be football discussion, you have people making up conspiracy theories to support their beliefs that they ‘know’ to be true. The trolls have changed their tune to be even more disruptive. I used to think that Steeler fans were the dumbest fans in football (my wife’s family is from there and I’ve been around Steeler fans way way too much because of this), but the total lack of intelligence here is disgusting.
Unfortunately they changed most of the post so the comments now have to get a ‘hit’ when you want to just read the post. But given that they advertisers are now being associated with the tone of this place.
So, for me, the trolls and haters have won. I can’t read this drivel any more. Jones posts most of the same stuff on his blog anyway.
September 13th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Ok guys n gals!
Bottom line: This is a team that is pshycholocally and emotionally spent. The players don’t even believe in themselves anymore.
We STILL continue to be the most penalized team in football and the refs hurt us again in the Denver game with key penalties on important drives. THEY ALWAYS DO BECAUSE THE ENTIRE LEAGUE HATES AL DAVIS!!
Why Blame Kiffin when it is clear that Davis is behind the hiring of a whole bunch of clowns in the past several years. Men who did not have the balls to tell Davis to go to hell. Gruden did, and left when it was aparent Davis ego was too big to let him continue to run the team. What did Gruden do the next year? Kick our as**ses with a totally new team.
Do you really thing ANYTHING is changed if we luck out and beat a sorry KC team? No, No, and hell No.
This organization and team need a total overhaul. Al Davis in the old folks home, a retooling of the inept administration and ‘old allegiances.” A whole new coaching staff and an exodus of overpaid, whining palyers.
The Raiders must face the fact that they have too start from zero, with a very young team just like the A’s. Develope their talent with good coaches and just tak the losing as a sign they are growing and will compete someday.
Everything abouth this organization stinks from top to bottom and its also time the commissioner stepped in.
The Raiders are an embarrasment to the NFL and its fans. Raider fans deserve much more. This fiasco needs to end and soon.
For any part of this current season to be salvaged, the Raiders will need to put together a string of victories, leaving no dought as to the improvement. One win here and there when the team is under fire means nothing.
For the senile fool that is Al, any firing of Kiffin at midseason or otherwise means NOTHING. Having Ryan as a head coach is rediculously hysterical!
Lastly, ever notice how succsessful coaches are when they leave Oakland (Gruden, Shannahan, Turner, and even Callahan in Nebraska). Wonder why??
Ladies and gentlemen, a house divided cannot stand.
mjolniir
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