A Raiders win is a must for Kiffin
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, September 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A wise man, or maybe it was colleague Carl Steward, once reasoned that if you’re talking about “must win’’ games early in the season, then the season is already lost.
That said, when the Raiders face the Chiefs Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, it is about as close as you can get to a must win in early September.
Anything remotely similar to 41-14 face plant Monday night against the Denver Broncos could have severe ramifications.
When the team’s public relations department dispatched defensive coordinator Rob Ryan Thursday to refute what coach Lane Kiffin said the previous day, it can be taken as a sign that the coach one columnist called “frat boy’’ is at the very least on double-secret probation.
My feeling all along , based on the Kiffin-Al Davis postseason standoff, was that the coach was in trouble if the Raiders hit the bye week 1-3 or worse.
The across-the-board failure in Week 1, which took place in front of the team’s new investors, may have sped up the process.
If the Raiders were to lose convincingly to a very mediocre Chiefs team Sunday, Kiffin may not make it to Buffalo for Week 3.
This was Kiffin’s assessment on his standing with the Raiders when asked about it on a conference call with Kansas City media:
“Knowing who the owner is, you know from Day 1 there’s no job security,’’ Kiffin said.
It’s not much different than what Kiffin said the first day of training camp, but it takes a more ominous tone given the Monday night debacle and the coach’s 4-13 record.
As poorly as the Raiders played against Denver, it was a game they had a reasonable expectation of winning. They were at home, playing a team they beat convincingly last year in Oakland. I talked with a few fans on my Southwest flight to Kansas City, including one who takes a few road trips a year and goes back to the pre-Coliseum days.
He was convinced the Raiders would win. I thought enough of their chances to write the ill-fated “10 reasons the Raiders will beat the Broncos’’ blog.
At the time, taking into account a win at Arrowhead last season, it was within the realm of possibility the Raiders would be 2-0 and have a boost of confidence heading into difficult games in Buffalo and at home against San Diego.
Instead, they’ve got a chance to be 0-2, and considering the opposition the next two weeks, it could well be 0-4.
It’s worth considering that the Denver game was a mulligan and will have no carryover. That seems to be the prevailing hope both in the locker room and with the coaching staff.
It’s not exactly, “Commitment to Excellence,’’ but the slogan for this week was something along the lines of, “We’re not that bad _ honest.’’
Coaches and players took turns accepting responsibility. Kiffin said it was the job of the coaches to get a team that looks good “on paper’’ to play well on the field. Ryan took the blame for the defense.
DeAngelo Hall said it was his fault, and other defenders said they had communication errors which turned into a death spiral.
Hall will get his share of chances to redeem himself Sunday, because it looks as if Nnamdi Asomugha is in for another lonely season at right cornerback. Kiffin was engaged in conversation with defensive tackle Tommy Kelly both on the way to practice and again after practice Friday.
I’m guessing the name “Larry Johnson’’ came up more than once.
Ryan described the Raiders defense Friday as a system which puts what he believes to be great players in position to win one-on-one match-ups.
The same could be said for Oakland’s offense, which will live or die with hits ability to run the ball with quarterback JaMarcus Russell playing his first game at Arrowhead, his blind side likely protected by first-time starter Mario Henderson.
An 0-2 start is no time to panic, but an 0-2 start for a team with an unprecedented five-year run of losing and a coach who exhibits an air of defiance toward his employer could make this a must win for Kiffin.
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September 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
1st bit@es!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
A must win game? Maybe. A non-informative post? Absolutely!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Hall had better redeem himself. Mario had better step up too. You too, defense. All of your respectability and balls are on the line.
September 13th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
If we lose, Kiffin is gone!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Hey Willie – what do you want? 17, 20, 30pts by the offense? Why? So the defense can give up 28, 35, 45pts? You take your pick!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
“We’re not that bad _ honest.’’
Prove it!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I have a feeling based on what I have read that if the Raiders lose this week…bye bye Kiffan and hello having the 1st or at best 2nd pick in the draft. At least the offseason gave me hope.
September 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Terrapin,I want a team effort,a kick a-s game,Whatever it takes!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I think this Al Davis sniping may well pay off, you can thank me later.
“The across-the-board failure in Week 1, which took place in front of the team’s new investors, may have sped up the process.”
September 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
The “Silver and Black” publication is also reporting the same thing. I hate to say this, but I truley believe this will be coach Kiffin’s last game with the Raiders.
Seth
Raider Fan since 1982
“In Lane I Trust”
September 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
In a bad situation like this, the true professionals show through. Kiffin must continue to do his best and control his side of the ball. He must motivate his players, make sure they improve and start executing. It does not matter if the defense falls asleep on the field, it is not even about winning or losing, it is about the offense scoring every chance it has the ball. It is about executing on each and every play and making sure no single opportunity is left wasted on the field. These people, from Kiffin to players are paid very well, even at the veteran’s minimum. They need to earn every penny of that pay regardless of whether they agree with Davis. That is the true mark of a professional.
As for the defense, we can all agree it is broken. Players are mostly blameless because we have had different players here over five years and we still have the same problems. It is clear by now who is responsible.
As a whole, the Raiders did not come out looking ready. They seemed to be on neutral while the Donks were on fire. Either coaches are simply not doing their jobs or Davis’ meddling is costing the team. Let’s hope the Raiders come out in KC ready to play.
Please do keep a proper perspective when dealing with a professional sport organization. THis is a multi-million dollar business and we are the paying customers. If they cannot put up a good show, I am sure we can save our cash and spend that on something else that we all enjoy. There are many fans (I know many of them personally) who are heavily invested in the Raiders with season tickets (and the disgusting PSL’s), costumes, hotel reservations, plane tickets, time, effort and emotion. I can appreciate such interest and as long as they still enjoy the whole experience of being out in a ballpark to enjoy a game, win or lose, then it is all good and dandy. When they become overly emotionally invested, then it ceases to be fun and it is no longer an entertainment. If we dislike a TV show, we stop watching it, we do not seek to take over the TV station or the studio in order to change the show. We could but it is unnecessary. I think keeping the proper perspective is good.
For me, after retiring to Idaho in two weeks, I will not be coming back for games until either Davis or someone else can put up a good product. I really don’t care about losing or winning, just wanting the players and coaches to put up a good show, so we can have a fun game to watch. In the end, this is a game play by millionaires, they better put up a good show or I will not pay to see them.
I still have my collection of tapes and DVD of past games worth keeping. When we are not boating, fishing or walking, and I feel like a game of pro football, it will be fun to revisit the old games. Does anyone remember what happened the last time it rained like crazy and Gruden’s Raiders played against KC with Wheatley being the workhorse? Now that was a game worth watching!
Hope you all enjoy tomorrow’s game. DO some BBQ, mingle with fellow fans in your backyard, then watch the game just for fun. Please don’t take it all too seriously.
Cheers!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Davis is writing a handbook on how to build and destroy a franchise. Take notes!
September 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Ok folks, we’ve all vented out our frustration all week about the lost to Denver, now it time to wipe away the tears stand up get back on board and have some faith that they’ll right the ship, and get a win against the Chickenheads. If we play good and win then all will be good, but if we lose,,,, James lofton my be our coach at Buffalo. Lets hope we can win this one.
Raiders:24 Chiefs:13
IM IN,,,(fear of Lane Kiffin’s job)
September 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I think Kiffin/Raiders will lose tomorrow. Put the pressure on AD to fire him. R. Ryan/Lofton will coach team. we could go 0-16. Just like New England……………..my badd……….
September 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
another week same result. the raider nation has seen this before. new coach one year, fired coach, new coach, high hopes, high draft choices, losing record. Al just needs to let the Head coach make decisions and just sit in his chair (frail) and watch. It is pathetic for the long time raider fans of times past to see the losing every week since Gruden left. Al, allow Lane to coach it might pay off. The season is early and he should not be fired if they lose. players will step up and play… let them
September 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Kenny King,lets ALL have a BBQ at youre new place! Good Luck!!!! Salute
September 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Again it comes down to an owner who NO ONE will work for. Die Nut Job!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
If it is a must-win for Kiffin it is a must win for the entire team. Kiffin runs the ony areas of this team worth watching.
Ryan puts guys in 1-on-1 match-ups? That’s a great system if the guys are named Long, Hayes, Haynes, Tatum and such. Everybody bashes Stu but it is funny, Huff looked just like Stu last week.
It is a coach’s job to evaluate a player and put him in a position to suceed. That is the approach Kiffin is taking with Russell, Cable is taking with Gallery and so on. But the outdated AD/RR defense doesn’t do that. Like the Shell / Walsh before them, they put players in “impossible” situations (to quote Sapp).
If Kiffin goes, the season goes with him.
Maybe KC will hire him and he can join Shanny and Norv in owning the Raiders twice a year.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
post 17,I will and -
September 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I know this may sound weird, but we should be rooting for denver to beat san diego. If Denver beats san diego, our blowout won’t seem so bad. We also should win this game to redeem ourselves. But in my opinion, we need to blow out KC, to actually redeem ourselves. If we win/lose a close one, it will only show that we are still on ties with KC, bottom of the division.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
The Pac 10 is having a day like we did last monday.
UNLV might upset AZ State but USC is gonna roll it up on the nutsackeyes
September 13th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Kenny King thanks for the post. Good perspective. Honestly some of us are too emotionally invested, and this is starting to hurt, my current streak of not missing a game goes back to 99. And I wish I had some footage of Big Zack Crockett marching through the rain! Thanks for the counseling, Nation for Life.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
fireing kiffen wont help we will still have same o-line and d-line consisting of average players. whats a new coach going to do suddenly make them pro bowlers. to many system changes is why were where we are at. personell director is who should be replaced.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Keep Kiffin Fire Al!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
You mean Al Davis, Radraider?
September 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I would love to see Denver bushwhack SD.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Go to the Keep Kiffin Fire Al MySpace page myspace.com / keepkiffinfireal
September 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
http://www.myspace.com/keepkiffinfireal
September 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Nobody ever mentions my all time favorite Raider.
He played in the last SB we won.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I don’t think I can root for the Donkeys under any circumstances. I hope they both lose…
September 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
We’re gonna lose , Kiffin wants out and to get out and still get paid he has to be fired. Man, he’s smart ,he hates the situation he’s in, the rest of the NFL knows the way things are run in Oakland so he’ll have no problem finding another NFL position and he’ll still be getting paid by Al! Hope that’s not his strategy because I want him to stay and turn the ship around, hope he gets his way and they toss Ryan instead. Come on guys no other team out schemes you the entire game the way the donks did us Monday night!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
RAW the problem is we really are on par with KC. Denver blew us out and SD is a much better team.
Denver winning doesn’t redeem us. We still stink. The only redemption is WINNING. The only success, talent, mystique is winning. We have won 3 division titles since 1995. When we did it was the 3 years we didn’t do things “the Raider way”.
The fans are in such denial about how bad this franchise is they actually think blowing out pathetic KC would mean something? Get above 500 for the first time in 5 years. Then we’ll be doing something.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Probably the worst read of Jerry McDonald for me.
Very disappointing. Gee Jerry, just think of all of the wonderful material you boys will have if Kiffin does get fired. I mean, that’s what it’s all about, right??
September 13th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
postjackass,31,You worry about norval,we will be fine!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Post 18, Huff was trying to avoid the type of penalty that Hall got but his carefullness became thoughtless and got us scored on.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Saint – Yeah, it’s Jerry’s fault the team is run that way.
If Jerry would just write about how great things are, the Raiders would win!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
kiffen should only be fired for shooting his mouth off to the press. everyone already knows what saying if he would just do what he can with who hes got he wouldt be adding fuel to the fire. hes starting to sound like he wants us to feel sorry for him. man up and grow a pair. win or lose al cant keep having a coaching turnstile and expect to live to see the raiders in another SB
September 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Huff BLEW a tackle that resulted in a TD. There is no penalty for tackling a guy with the ball. Huff whiffed.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
COW — This was one of your best posts ever. Winning is the only way, and winning any way IS the Raiders way…
Coach on Wheels Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
RAW the problem is we really are on par with KC. Denver blew us out and SD is a much better team.
Denver winning doesn’t redeem us. We still stink. The only redemption is WINNING. The only success, talent, mystique is winning. We have won 3 division titles since 1995. When we did it was the 3 years we didn’t do things “the Raider way”.
The fans are in such denial about how bad this franchise is they actually think blowing out pathetic KC would mean something? Get above 500 for the first time in 5 years. Then we’ll be doing something.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
37 – Kiffin should “man up and grow a pair”? Like a$$ kisser Ryan? Kiffin is the only guy here willing to man up and speak the truth.
Telling the press, “oh we’re super talented and everything is great,” would be responsible?
September 13th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Everybody calm down. If you will take a minute to remember, the NY Giants started out 0-2 last year and things worked out pretty well for them.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
All right
Okies – Huskies
Nutsackeyes – Trojans
Cheesebadgers – Bulldogs
Time for some west coast redemption
September 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
This was Kiffin’s assessment on his standing with the Raiders when asked about it on a conference call with Kansas City media:
“Knowing who the owner is, you know from Day 1 there’s no job security,’’ Kiffin said.
Does that sound like a coach that thinks he is going to be around. He knows Al Davis is fuming right this minute. He is going to fire Kiffen after tomorrows loss and he is going to make Kiffen take him to court to get his paycheck. This goose is cooked, stick a fork in it.
GAME OVER!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Ok I’m back what did I miss?
September 13th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
KEEP KIFFIN FIRE AL!
I like that slogan, I’m gonna tell it to ever Raiders fan I run into for the next little while. Heck, I’ll tell it to every football fan I run into over the next little while.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
oh I didn’t miss much…
September 13th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
If losing tomorrow gets Lane fired Im all for another blowout.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
well that pretty much sounded like a “fire kiffin” post on this forum, maybe jerry keeps the blog alive with the speculation…but like always the media continues to tear down the raiders.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Sir youre right,..he will get fired after the game,…tuesday morning…wish he would get fired now…why wait?
September 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Jerry, do you think you could get just a LITTLE more sarcastic? Some folks might not get the point.
Make or break game=bs.
The team is rebuilding and if Kiffin could get his finger out of his ear we might just do very well. He needs to start acting like a HEAD coach. If he has a problem, don’t complain to the press-they might get sarcastic like Jerry-just GO and talk to the man. Coach, you need to get in the face of players AND coaches.
Last year we had an improved team and it was because of Kiffin. This year we have some unbelieveable young players: Russell/McFadden/Aso/Miller, etc. We should do even better in this second year of Kiffin’s coaching.
Sunday morning will be a new dawn, a new day and an old enemy and we WILL beat them.
ANDREW’S MOM:
Marcus Allen?
Go Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
kenny king…..best post ever man, cudos
September 13th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Scary you better get your fat butt blogging.
JJ has been blogging all day and has lots of info.
September 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Frank Hawkins
We are about tha same age and went to school in Vegas.
I met him a few times after his football days and was always amazed at how “small” he was.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
If some of you get your way and kiffin is gone…
We get a new candy azz coach that will look and talk like a hc step to the podium and tell the media what a over talented team we have, or were “one player” from the superbowl….which is what al davis thinks anyways, so enjoy 5 more years of the same. It doesnt matter who the coach is, the players have been blaming there crappy play on the turmoil and coaches in raiderland for ever why should it stop now with a young coach who is willing to tell the damn truth. At least the guy has the balls to tell it like it is. Team full off no pride paycheck cashing lazy players that always have a excuse, or someone to blame, untill that stops we go 4-12 or worse year after year.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
37 – Kiffin should “man up and grow a pair”? Like a$$ kisser Ryan?
At least Ryan stood there and took responisbility for that total debacle. What has Kiff done??? Whined it’s everybody’s fault but his. Let me tell you something, Mularkey and Smith in Atlanta had NO PROBLEM having Matt Ryan, who had never even sniffed an NFL game in his life, throw a 50 yard strike on the lst play of their game for six!!! The Georgia Dome crowd went nuts, they won the game, and their franchise has a good feeling about itself! What the fook has Kiff done?????? I said at the time, Kiffin better have a couple of early pass plays mixed in. He didn’t. When Jamarcus still had a very good game all things considered, Kiffin took the credit for that. Fukk Kiffin.
It looks like the guys who threw $100mm+ in Al’s lap to buy some of this franchise just became all of our best friends!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
and if he goes Im gonna sit on the sofa and watch, its free I live too far away for the 1 or 2 games a year I have made it down to oakland to watch this crap any more.
A very special thanks to the media clowns who get paid to sell the turmoil and never let it die that continues to help things along in raiderland year after year. This blog being the biggest might be one of the worse at times I think.
Enjoy the games guys, hopefully we see a good effort pride game if not then the players once again prove they already know blaming someone else works time and again. Pretty pathetic that we continue to pay these guys wages.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
One question for all you hire and fire people. Al fires kiffen tomorrow, Who will be dumb enough to be our head coach
September 13th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
another yes man el dirty of course
September 13th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Post 34 Willie the new guy , you don’t even realize what my tag means. The chargers always choke , I hate them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You’re the dumbass jackass!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
It won’t do AD any good firing Kiffin at this time. Actually it would backfire on him and point the fickled finger of fate right at him. If Kiffin goes, the team goes right down the dumper. The following weeks will produce even worse results than what we’ve seen. Then EVERYBODY will know for sure that the wrong guy got fired and it was uncle Al’s fault all along. Just one person’s opinion.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Snake
Exactly! Doesn’t fix the problem. We have a better chance this year with the staff that we have, period. We can hire and fire people in the off season when it should happen. not week 2
September 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
James Lofton, Paul Hackett, Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Rob Ryan, Don Martindale, Wink Martindale, some young up and coming inexperienced punk from a winning tradition that shouldn’t be a Quality Control Assistant ends up being head coach.
The point is there are plenty of options at HC, it’s what to do with the personnel decisions.
KoolKell -
You are the only person that I have ever seen that wants credit for stating the obvious!
“KoolKell says:
September 13th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Hey people, I have been telling you since day 1, the fukking sky is blue ok! Can’t you see that?! I want credit for being the first person to say this!”
September 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Trojanville looks beautiful tonight.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Dirty #57
They are mounting an air horn as we speak on AD’s walker. I understand he ordered a new motorized scooter equipped with a loudspeaker, air horn and whistle. I presume there will also be a towel rack on it for his lap “Binkie” too.
SURPRISE! MEET YOUR NEW HC – AD HIMSELF.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
September 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
lol jim fassel cmon guys. You have to see my point. We should be screaming GM!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Do the Raiders want a HC derived from my urine or do they want the real deal?
The new investors will make me an offer that I can’t refuse, which will includes full control over coaching and personnel. It will be my show and Al davis will die a happy man.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Picture this scenario: AD fires Kiffin Monday AM. As Kiffin leaves the “Entire” coaching staff resigns except for Rob Ryan and walks out the door with Kiffin as a sign of solidarity. Wouldn’t that just chap Uncle Al’s buns? I’ll file that under scenes we’d like to see. We could call it sending the boss a message – the big red one.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
After the Denver game, I am now convinced…Mike Huff is a bust and has no business being a starter in this league
September 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
JB
I can see that happening
September 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Dirty aren’t you on the short list?? That would be cool. Head Coach El Dirty. You probably would do a decent job too.
I’m not advocating Kiffin getting fired. I’m advocating Kiffin growing the eff up. This is the NFL. This is NOT college. When has Kiffin EVER said he believes in his team and his players??? When has he said that??? Jesus, just yesterday he was praying for the weather to be crappy to keep the game close. What kind of message is that to send your players????
September 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Dirty
If you read my entire post you would see that is exactly what I said about personnel. Maybe read someone’s entire post before you criticize it.
Like E-40 always says “Learn about it!”
September 13th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
That would be just desserts. If only…
September 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
El Dirty I hope you took my statement well. It was meant to be a compliment.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Post 18 — Coach on Wheels – “Maybe KC will hire him (Kiffin) and he can join Shanny and Norv in owning the Raiders twice a year.”
That about says it all…Al Davis blames Kiffin for the defensive performance that is led by a coach and system that he (Al) insisted on.
I really hope the Raiders win if for nothing else but to preserve Kiffin. We need him and I like the way he is developing Russell.
Go Raiders
September 13th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Chad #65, hilarious.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Snake 54,
You mean if KIFFEN get’s his way don’t you? Most of us would like Kiffen to stay. But with free rein of his team. Kiffen simply cannot coach Al Davis’s team. Nobody can coach Al’s team. Al present mental state is the reason.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Chad
Relax I was just laughing about thinking Jim Fassel about our head coach.
OakGlenn
Calling the kettle black there huh buddy. Calling me retarded? look at your whole career on this blog. Why don’t you get upset and call your mods on me. eat a d!ck.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Oak
Ignore post 78 got mad at my kid sorry
September 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
POST 59,YES,youre right,MY BAD,took it the wrong way,im the jackass,not the 1st or last time ,either!RAIDERS!!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Post 50 – You are right that Kiffin improved this team last year and we should do better in Kiffin’s second year. We are a young team still in building mode.
Post 37- The difference between the Raiders and the Falcons is that their defense had a plan and played well and backed up Ryan. The Raiders defense had a plan and played like crap. Who’s fault is that? Yes Kiffin is the “Head Coach” but we all know he doesn’t have any say in the defensive plan. I am sure he would like to but he IS NOT allowed to.
I know we would all like to win now but we are a young team and most of our key guys are locked up for the long run with the exception of Nnamdi. It may seem imperative that we win now but for heaven’s sake, it will take time with some of the young guys and lack of depth on the roster.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
The Frat boy must go.
Just Win Baby.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
OFFER ENOUGH MONEY, MIKE HOLMGREN MAY TAKE THE JOB. HEAR THIS IS HIS LAST YEAR IN SEATTLE !!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Sorry Dirty, when you wrote who would take the HC job I thought, hey how bout one of us? Then when I went back and read who would be “stupid enuff”, I went, oh sh**, that is not what I wanted to say!! I enjoy your posts Dirty!! Sorry about that!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Thanks Kenny King for the great post. I live in Kansas and have been to Oakland to see one game – the game you were posting about – 12/28/02 – Raiders win 24-0 in a downpour to clinch homefield through out the playoffs. I was hanging around the Raiders facilities on Friday before the game and got to meet Jerry Rice inside and I also got to talk with Zack Crockett in the parking lot.
Fans I hope we do not lose tomorrow, it hurts when you have rooted for so long and you root so hard. I think the Raiders will run it all bleeping day! 25 year fan and still sticking with my team.
I think Hall will score on Defense Sunday!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Here is just my humble opinion……
I think the whole situation could go from “the sky is falling.” to “we could be a playoff team.” IF we win this game.
I think to many people including myself and the media have put to much into the monday night game, yes it was very very bad, but it was week 1 in the NFL.
Ever year you see this, one week a team looks great and the next week they lose or vise versa.
Anyway one thing is sure, Al Davis is to prideful to keep losing and Kiffin is to prideful to take the blame and just points it back at Al Davis, or Rob Ryan and once again vise versa.
Thats could be the the making for a disaster but if we start wining everything will smell much better, and if we keep losing Kiffin will be gone it’s pretty simple.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Oak
I enjoy your posts as well
September 13th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
you have to appreciate a man like lan kiffin who will give you the truth and shoot straight from the freaking hip, al davis dont like him because of it and he dont like being told that the team that he put together is not good enough, and guess what kiffin is right A.d went against all logic this offseason in signing broken up players to all kind of money J.W, Carter, Kelly. and did nothing to improve the most important areas on our team (offensive and deffensive line) Kiffin has been saying it did anyone listen??? nope ask RR and he will tell you that we have the best guys out there and the scheme is working even when we have a loosing record. If A.D dont get his old hot dogg fingers out of the way we will continue to loose. For a man like Davis he should know that WINNING teams have continuity(if I spelled that right) they dont have a new coach every year like we’ve had the last few years, its impossible for us to win going this path, and the firing of kiffin is only gonna set us back. Thanks a bunch Al for destroying the greatest team on this planet!
September 13th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Fellas if that wasn’t a wake up call on Monday nite I don’t know what is. I really thought the Raider defense thought they could just go out there, line up, and things would take care of themselves. Well, clearly that ain’t the case. Hopefully everyone, including Davis just woke the fukk up.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Well said Shawn. Thanks for not letting me be the only guy on that donkey blog.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Oak
the defense was the most upsetting thing for me monday
September 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
man for man I think we have most of the advantages when it some to matching up against k.C. so Im praying make a statement and come out big
September 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Dirty obviously the communication in the 2ndary was a big problem. That will improve with more playing time together. That’s an easy fix. Can the Defensive line put any pressure on the QB without sending extras ??? That’s a big one. We’ll see tomorrow.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
“Can’t we all just get along” I am so tired of the Raiders dirty laundry being hung out to dry on the NFL channel, radio, newspapers, etc. and this is only week 2. Quit passing the blame and play some G D football. No one is missing a paycheck!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
“James Lofton, Paul Hackett, Jim Fassel, Dennis Green, Rob Ryan, Don Martindale, Wink Martindale, some young up and coming inexperienced punk from a winning tradition that shouldn’t be a Quality Control Assistant ends up being head coach.”
Chad, what you dont realize is that the first choice was Bobby Petrino, and he used Davis to up his contract for the eventual position he QUIT on with the Falcons … then Sarkisian bowed out, then Kiffin was the last on the list…Lofton would be another stop gap….maybe Green would squeeze out a few wins…but the bottom line is this isnt turned around until they assemble a GM….
one person suggested Bill Cowher. Cowher could come in as a consultant but Would Davis really give him access and keep hands off?
so, the next step would be an up and coming college coach….what college coach would step into this pressure cooker?
this could be a lost franchise…and it has been since the trade of Jon Gruden and loss of Bruce Allen as GM
September 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Oak
Agreed! The line needs to put the heat on the qb. Our DB’s have no chance if the QB has a whole quarter to complete a pass. We need Huard to scamper because the last thing we need is him to get a rythem with Bowie and Gonzales.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
MEDIA REPORTING KIFFEN LIKLEY TO BE FIRED MONDAY!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Post #83.
You may be joking but I must admit that the thought occured to me and I wondered if it occcured to Mike Holmgren. After all, he’s retiring?! Isn’t he in his fifties? Isn’t he from the Bay Area?
On the other hand, isn’t Nolan a dead duck and wouldn’t Nolan like to run the team that his mentor Bill Walsh made great.
Also, on the other hand, wouldn’t Holmgren bring more of that west coast crap or variation of. Walsh invented the west coast because his running backs sucked. The Raiders have THREE-count ‘em-good backs.
The west coast stuff and Al Davis just don’t mix well and it turns my stool green.
Holmgren IS competent though-most of the time.
It seems to me that there is a great opportunity awaiting with the Raiders for a person smart enough to seize the day. That opportunity will fall to whichever successful coach is around when Al semi-retires or retires. It could be Kiffin and it could be someone else.
For decades, Al was the coach and then the general manager. It was only,I think, in the nineties that the multi-owners of the Raiders gave gave Al a small piece of the team.
Who is to say what the next general manager/coach might get from the multi-owners of the team.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Typho: wouldn’t Holgren like to run the team that his mentor Bill Walsh made great?
September 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
EL DIRTY I will back you up anytime in a donkey blog!!!!!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
post 97…… link???
September 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
1 NATION!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
post94,YES,RAIDERS!!!!ps,an early breakfast,Baileys and coffee,mato juice/vodka,and FOOTBALL!!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
yo Dirty r you over it yet? Well the time is now cuz we got a game tomorrow. USC is owning BTW…
Go RAIDERS
OH yeah Kid Rock concert tonight lots of whores…
September 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
# ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
EL DIRTY I will back you up anytime in a donkey blog!!!!!!!!
———————-
I got both y’all
1 NATION
& Ufck the donkeys
September 13th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
408
What will be the score tomorrow?
September 13th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
come on, guys! my butcher, who is a loyal raider fan, asked me what i thought of the denver game. i said that i have no opinion until i see what happens against k.c. i remember getting whipped by new england the year we won our first super bowl in ‘76. it was the only game we lost. it is an old sports saw: “once is a fluke. twice is a trend. three times is a problem.” well, we’re not there yet!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Raiders 24 Chefs 17
September 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Tim Kwakamini is reporting Kiff may get fired
September 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
408
Now I’m over it. Thanks brother.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Well we been sayin it all week so Tim isn’t sayin any thing new. I just read the article and he can fukk himself to.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Does everyone remember Gruden and Woodson’s first game in the NFL the chief blowout on monday night, things will get better, the did for Gruden…..
September 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Dirty
yes sir! I’m gonna bag me a drunk 1 floozy tonight @ the kid rock concert! No princess to hate on me tonight!
We will win! FUK the KC chefs!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Get it 408!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Chef whats good brother? no disrespect with the fuk the chefs my man! you ready to beat down KC?
September 13th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Dirty
September 13th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
All that is going to happen, is that Kiffin loses his job, someone else (Lofton) takes over, we have another loseing season, and all the progress actually made, is lost, again… Changing the philosophy of how play football every year or two, is not going to win you football games. Changing the coaching staff, means a different game plan, which in turn, means changing the players to fit the game plan. All you accomplish is starting over at the begining, again.
Give Kiffin a chance, and play out his contract. I mean, what could have happened if Al had kept Shanahan instead of fireing him? We still would still probably had a bad ending to that year, but look at what he’s done since then? Can’t say he hasn’t been succesful. but he might have been succesful for us. Let Kiffin run the team as he wants to, let him run it as a head coach should. Personally, I thing Ryan needs to go. 5 years with the team is enough. He hasn’t exactly a number 1 defence that I know of. But he has been around for some of the worst years of the franchise…
September 13th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Damn right 408, I smell ya on the Chef thing. Dont waste your time with the Tim Kawakami write up, same shhhit different toilet.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
yeah hall better redeem himself. nnamdi iz gona have another lonely season.. which sux.. i waz hopin they would throw to him more.. but he’ll pry beat his “thrown to” attemptz last yr with a low 20-30.. hall needz 2 step up, period
September 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Im goin bigger than beer bottles on Suday if we lose 408, LOL Im rippin flat screens off the bar walls.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I wish Mr.Davis would have fired Kiffin at halftime on Monday. There is a guy that was sitting by me on Monday dropping f-bombs on everyone that did not think that Kiffin was Vince Lombardi. I see a 4-13 career record and All I have done is ? everything he ever does. I have never seen a coach that is so quick to give up on an easy Fg to go for it on 4th and 7. A Head Coach that passes all blame to others…….That is one hell of a Leader!! Maybe tomorrow Lane can go for it on 4th and 20 from the Kc 7, Then we will toss a screen pass for 3 yards. Fire Kiffin 5 minutes before Kickoff tomorrow because that is what a little female dog like him deserves!!
Booker Russell
September 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Dave
That’s what I feel as well. I would keep Ryan as my LB coach.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Drew Rosenhaus is shopping Anquan Boldin around and now he says he wants to play for the Dolphins…AD needs to take a stab at this guy cuz we are truly pathetic at WR right now
September 13th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Was this an ax Kiffin post? or just bullsh**t. If Kiffin is axed our season is done. Anybody that Davis hires will be a yes man like Ryan. Davis has to stop micro-managing the team with antiquated plays on defense,and Ryan should grow some balls.
September 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Nation
They say I’m cocky, and I say What?
It aint braggin’ motherf@ckrer if ya back it up
September 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
hell yeah Chef if you read about some drunk guy burning down headquarters u know whats up! ….
later NATION got a concert to attend!
September 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
310
Link please
September 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I still don’t know what to say. Disgraceful.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
El Dirty:
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ANQUAN_WANTS_TO_BE_A_FIN/332046
September 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
If Kiffin gets fired at this point in time it will be for throwing the owner and Rob Ryan under the bus, not to mention many of his players. If he wins he could fend it off, and if he were to keep winning he could fend it off indeffinately. I hate to see him go because I think the offense is heading in the right direction and is not far from a breakout and because I don’t think the problems on defense are his fault, but whether he was lying when he said Rob Ryan met with Al Davis everyweek to formulate the defensive game plan or whether Ryan was lying when he said he didn’t, either way Kiffin threw Ryan and Al Davis under the bus.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
POST130,ditto that,let the party begin!All that matters in the morning is,raiders!!!
September 13th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I look forward to seeing Ryan as a former Raiders Assistant in that coaches tirade coors light commercial next year, that should be classic
September 13th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
310 Raider,
Funny Shhhhhhit!,
September 13th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Fire Kiffin before the game…why bother to wait? The game wont even be a game, Kiffin will just walk through it,…he better board team flight home with a parachute.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
310
He would look damn good in silver and black. Thanks for the link.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I hope Kiffin gets fired so that we can have Lofton or whoever some in and suck for 14 games so that at least we know we still suck and people don’t go in to next year thinking “oh it’ll be different with Lofton”. This isn’t a coach issue – it’s an organization issue.
September 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I honestly don’t belive Lane Kiffin is that bad of a coach. Al is just getting old and stubborned. I mean, Lane came from USC. He knows what a winning team looks like, but more importantly he saw first hand how a Championship, powerhouse team is built. Lelt him do his thing, how he saw it done, and sit back and take the accoladates Al. But no, you choice to break the bank and some players, namely J. Walker. I honestly don’t think this is Lane’s fault. Think about it, who in there right mind would take a job with us right now? We need to built all over again, and it starts in the front office and the decesion being made up there. Russell and McFadden has honestly been the only good two drafts in years. Let me not forget Nandi. Bottom line, Al needs to not let his pride inter with the team. Let Lane do his thing. Besides, who in there right mind would take a job with us rigiht now?
September 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Peace Nation
Its on 10 AM be there!
September 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
This isn’t Kiffin’s fault. The offense actually wasn’t that bad Monday night (they could’ve been better, though). It was the defense, though, that was an absolute train wreck. Whiffed arm tackles, long 3rd down plays, not to mention Hall getting beat like a rented mule all night long. If we are to believe what Rob Ryan and Kiffin are saying, then this mess is Ryan’s fault (and Al’s). I would much prefer to see Ryan gone before Kiffin. However, Kiffin still needs to shut his pie hole and just coach. Quit talking about Al and his situation here and do your job.
September 13th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
All I want to know is after Kiffin gets fired who would be dumb enough to take the HC job. A loser … right? Because anyone with a brain knowns all you are is a whipping boy for the owner not a coach. I can’t wait for the press conference … it’s going to get real ugly for Al and the Raiders. Everyone should boycott the Raiders next home game and send a message to Al … the coach is not the problem it’s the owner.
September 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Good to see that KS is representing in here…. Anyone gonaa be at the game tomorrow? If so tell me where and we’ll have some beezos!
September 13th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
instead of a boycott, stay in the parking lot and leave the stadium empty
September 13th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Raiders have been in trouble for a long time. Please don’t fire the coach because no one on this earth would apply for that job not even a Raider Nation fan.
September 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Kenny King…post 11:
Good post. I agree, if Kiffin’s offense can be productive, he stays, even if we lose. If it’s not productive, Davis may fire him because it then shifts the blame, his blame, to someone else. It’s the old smoke and mirrors game. Kiffin gets fired, but the real people at fault are: Davis and Ryan.
September 13th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Cheers
September 13th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
yo WIZ,my raider friend,how are you?RAIDERS
September 13th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I MISS JON GRUDEN…..Thanks for trading him AL DAVIS. All you had to do was pay Gruden a few million more…instead you spend 60 million on Jamarcus Russell who has the intelligence level of a 5 year old and will never be anything in the NFL…..I never thought I would say this in my 30 years of watching Raider football, but I now sincerly mean it….I WISH AL DAVIS WOULD GIVE IT UP. OUR OWNER IS THE PROBLEM FOLKS….NOT LANE KIFFIN
September 13th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Kansas Shi-tty has two aging corners, not a lot of pass rush, and they traded their best defensive lineman, jared Allen to Minnesota in a youth movement. We should be able to pass on this team. Our most consistent player in the opener was Jamarcus. We should be able to use the pass to set up the running game, and wear their Cheat asses out.
They are going to try to do the same thing to us. The only difference is aside from Gonzalez and Bowe, their receiving corp is worse than ours. Huard is not a good QB. Larry Johnson has been run into the ground by that franchise and isn’t the same player he was three years ago. This game really should be ours for the taking.
September 13th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
TWO WORDS………….Brian Billick
September 13th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Although I know this comment was made in jest, it does betray a certain misfortune of perspective. The sky is not blue. Blue is the trick the sun creates by shedding a little light on our atmosphere, the airs of our personal perspectives. The sky is Silver and Black, peppered with Black Holes. Silver and Black IS the color of the cosmos, and that’s just plain beautiful. City lights diminish its beauty. Our Raider cosmology is silver and black, and the brilliance of our stars seems from here to be played out some several light years ago. However, the sky is blue, as in sad, down in the dumps, as we wait for the heaviness we’ve carried for the past five season (Super Bowl loss onward) to be lifted onto the shoulders of Victory (Nike), more times than not, over the season. Again, though, the blue sky reveals our embodied personalism that becomes clear in the light of day. No wonder we get so few night games anymore. It’s as if we are under some sun spell that weakens us under the moons reflected light. Our reflections carry what ails us. Now… if we could just use Athene’s shield to reflect against this Medusa image that turns our receivers hands to stone we might finally be able to confront this monster with our swords out and swinging.
I pay no attention to this “conjectures” regarding a firing or whatever until it happens. What if we beat the Chiefs? We only going to talk about how we lucked out because they were too ___________ (fill in the blank)?
The sky is Silver with shimmering stars (wobbly) and black in its ‘negative space’.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 13th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Garthraider,
I am drunk. and you?
September 13th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
I am in full preperation mode. If I can’t see the game, I won’t know how bad we look.
September 13th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
People got a life when we realized it was the end for Kiffin. I wonder who will coach for the Raiders for the rest of the season. I wonder who will coach for 2009 and 2010 and 2011 and 2012 because thats what we will come across every single year Al Davis is still the owner.
September 13th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
God, please don’t let this bottle let me down!
September 13th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I guess Kiffin will get his wish finally the dude has been trying every trick in the book to get fired.
September 13th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Huff24, I wonder how I will be able to drink that much.
The more we lose, the worse it gets. It really makes me sick to my stomach to see this happining to our beloved team.
I am of this thinking.
Al Davis made this team what it was, and is. Therfore I will stick by him through thick and thin, FOREVER!
I can not, and will not ever waver in my love for him, nor the RAIDERS.
The ways of the NFL may be getting away from him somwhat, but he may just figuar it out. If he does before he leaves this worls, look the fu@k out NFL, we will be back.
Besides, if someone else were to own this team, would it be the same? Would the history mean the same? Would we still be the RAIDERS, the way big Al has made us?
If it were some everyday rich guy that owned us, how would you feel?
September 13th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
EL DIRTY I will back you up anytime in a donkey blog!!!!!!!!
It would still be the same outcome: Broncos 41 faders 14
September 13th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I think the notion that no one wants to coach the raiders because its a train wreck is a farce. Lets face it, money talks and thats the bottom line, for the right amount a coach like Billick or Cowher can be lured in and I think that’s what we need, a strong personality guy, not a ‘yes’ guy, someone who AD will not dare to impose his will on on a daily basis, someone who has won a superbowl this century, someone who can rally his team and make them better.
Kiffin just simply does not possess the qualities needed to be a head coach in this league. He just doesnt have the bravado, the *alls needed to earn some clout and respect. This guy doesnt have what it takes to crack the whip and be intimidating enough to make things happen and now way is he worth $2 million I mean I could have gone out there with a high school scheme and gone 4-12 for a hell of a lot less.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
no way in hell a respected coach would come here unless AD gives him more controll and he butts out.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Spider
You know how I know ur a sniveling little coward? You speak my name whem I’m not around to hear it. You think I’m “Typical”? You think I wouldn’t defend what’s dear to me because you so say so? I don’t need to defend my girl in a blog where some pathetic sniveling donkey fan lame with a keyboard rants. She would probably kick your pathetic a$$. Next time wait till I’m arouns if u want to voice ur opinion about me. your a ameture troll here. we deal with professional trolls with decent argument. Your just a joke.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Spider, go kill yourself please.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
faders408: Hey Shawn, do you know how to keep a fader from masturbating?
shawnfader81: No fader 408, how?
faiders408: Have him paint his whacker orange and blue and then he will only beat it once every 6 years.
shawnfader81: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Best post ever 408!
September 13th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
If the raiders fire kiffin who are they gonna bring in to coach? And don’t tell me James Lofton or anyone elso who would dare coach the raiders would be better than kiffin. Hell, we cant even get dennis green to coach our team.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
I dont know who can fix this train wreck but i have seen enough to know that it aint going to be Kiffin. he just doesnt care enough due to the beef he has with AD. Therefore he just wants out ASAP without taking any blame.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Spider
You know how I know ur a sniveling little coward? You speak my name whem I’m not around to hear it. You think I’m “Typical”? You think I wouldn’t defend what’s dear to me because you so say so? I don’t need to defend my girl in a blog where some pathetic sniveling donkey fan lame with a keyboard rants. She would probably kick your pathetic a$$. Next time wait till I’m arouns if u want to voice ur opinion about me. your a ameture troll here. we deal with professional trolls with decent argument. Your just a joke.
I love you too el dirty cochino. What part of my anatomy did you say you’re girl friend was gonna kiss?
September 13th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Kush Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Spider, go kill yourself please.
And deprive myself of reading you fader loooooozers wallow in your sorrows? NO HOW, NO WAY.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Charlotte
Like I said your just a joke with a number next to it… You gotta try harder buddy. I take $hits more interesting than u.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
a must win game??? are you kidding?? kiffin’s fate is already sealed. it’s a matter of “when” not “if”. as the throws of dementia worsen, al has become almost as predictable as his piss-poor defense.
but, we’ll eat it up; especially the al sympathizers. we’ll all sing of the attributes of james lofton as false hope and blind faith keep us at bay until al’s next firing. i just hope ryan’s head is next on the chopping block. firing ryan would rank number 1 on a short list of rational things al davis has done in the last 10 years.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Jerry,
Your saying that if the Raiders have another bad showing in front of new investors that Al Davis was forced to selll shares to as ruled in the settlement that Lane Kiffin will be fired. The defense got embarassed and Kiffin wanted Ryan gone. I hate to say this because I know I will be ridiculed by the Al’s a senile a hole crowd, but Al is smarter than that. His offseason moves have blown up in his face, and he has had to endure two coaches he ousted win Super Bowls. Al will not make a move on Lane this year until the mob turns against him, and starts calling for his head. Everyone put the cover back over the panic button. All of you have just gotten way to consumed by all this. It is not time to give up on the season yet. Relax and back away from the edge.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Even though I get ignord here I must say Kiff isnt GRUDEN n maybe he should go now I dont think there is any long term hopes of him staying if he does turn us around n win.Now here is blind faith but what if Bucs just blow this year n he s out. dang Gruden offered old job back with all this young talent.I still think Norv went a year to early n I think RYAN SHOULD GO MONDAY IF WE SUCK.I guess at least Al cares to much n is blinded by on paper that we should contend but all is not lost if we fire Kiff better now then 4 n 12 n not knowing if Lofton can do it. I think its Fassel or Hackett. Next year Ditka or die lol tc go raiders n think god 4 direct tv in wv all u see is steelers n redskins.JUST DONT STOP CARING WE R THE THE RAIDER NATION BE DAMNED EVERYONE ELSE IS BORING AT LEAST AL KEEPS US IN THE NEWS YEAR AROUND N EVERY YEAR NEW FAITH AL BY GOD.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Being a Raider fan is becoming a god damned nightmare. I am no longer being entertained by what happens on the field but what happens in the headlines and blogs. What a joke. What disgrace. I hate being a Raider fan. It sickens me. I am only entertained by the drama that goes on btw the coaches, front office and AD, like watching the bold and the beautiful. Also reading the blogs during the Denver game really entertained me. Just about everyone was calling for Ryan’s head. Even a 1st grader could have devised a better scheme on defense for christ’s sake
September 13th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
I’m a Raider fan since 76′ season. Superbowl against Minn. was the first game I remember watching. Been a fan ever since and I do probably invest to much emotion. I have a real hard time dogging any players because I want them do good so bad. Once you reach Anthony Dorsett levels and the stupid crap Al Davis pulls, it’s on. No Al would be the best thing that could happen.
Go Raiders!
September 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Tim C,
I had a similar thought about Gruden earlier in the week when I saw Jeff Garcia speaking out and Greise being named the starter for Sunday’s game versus Atlanta.
Marriuci will also be in the mix. If anything Al has learned that bottom feeding retreads don’t work, up and coming coaches are getting offers from everybody now, but Retreaded coaches that will ask for a good salary has not been ruled out. Money is everything. AL has always tried to low ball coaches, and if he fires Kiffin he will hire a proven coach and cough up the 4 milly a year.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Just a thought but when we got Shell back it was because a guy from Louivile name bp god at least we avoided that.I think Fassel would be the best choise but if Ryan cant do it he should go to or hell make ryan head coach he is in the last year of contract knapp calls plays guys kiff wants fired n al knows it n we can still make playoffs helll may be tied 4 1st tommorow but get kiff out now we are in he isnt .
September 13th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Charlotte
Like I said your just a joke with a number next to it… You gotta try harder buddy. I take $hits more interesting than u.
No…..19-62 or whatever your pitiful record the last 5 years is a joke. The way you looooozers came onto the Bronco Blogs and were telling us how you humiliated us the last time we played and how we had to cheat to win the first game (icing a hungover kicker is not cheating) and bragging how you were gonna cream us is a joke. Calling the other 3 teams that have looked down on you from atop the AFC West conference the last 5 years names is a joke. Your syph faced owner is a joke. Your coaches are a joke. The pirate with the patch over his eye that is your logo is a joke. Your logo should be a carp swimming at the bottom of a cess pool. And after the “CHIEFS” take you out tomorrow at Arrowhead the joke (of the NFL) will have more people across the Country laughing even harder.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Tim c 40,
Do you talk to your mamma with that mouth?
September 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Google pink taco to see me.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
When Bobby Petrino got the drop on Lane and took the job with Arkansas in the middle of season, he ended his career in the NFL, and Mike Lombardi’s as well. Now Lombardi is reduced to free lancing as the token Raider Hater.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
no but your mom likes it when i talk nasty lol god what was so bad n if I did offend I TRULY AM SORRY REALY.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Charlotte
I was one of those people that went on the donkey blog. I had fun and chatted it up with a few people. It was all for good argument. I also showed up when we lost like I said I would. Seriously Donkey fan in the last 5 years what has your team done besides watch another team come playoff time and have their players beating their woman and getting gun charges. Your team is a joke as well buddy go slip on a mcdonalds bag for me and land your face in a computer.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I think spider is about ten and has vowed to make the world pay since he realized it’s been his dad breastfeeding him this whole time.
Al Davis needs to realize if he loves seeing the Raiders win, he must get a proven coach who he can trust enough to let make all roster decisions. It must be hard when you get old to hand over the car keys but, if you love it you must set it free.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
PDX……..that was hilirous…..his dad was breast feeding him…….I cant stop laughing……and for the record Spider….you had me rollin a min ago too……the whole carp thing and the joke about jackin off…….
September 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
long day boys….catchin up on some bloggin…..
September 13th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
see we have some few and far betweeners that have joined again…..and I see they are seeing the truth…..
September 13th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
then there is willie……man he is troubled…..
September 13th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I think a trade 4 a tackle would be a wise thing pitt says they r willing to trade a lineman.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
please tyrant….i can’t believe I just asked please……have mercy on Kiff…..we want him to have a free pass……please bring in chad johnson to be our wr coach and move lofton to defensive coach…..that would make sense……please hire anthony dorsett as our db coach…..he can teach them a thing or two about how to tackle…….hey what about shottenwhiner….he loves us, maybe he can be our new PR guy…….
September 13th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Chaos
Its been real interesting reading your posts. Its sounds like your making quite the movement.
September 13th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
well, being that I am the hayes proclaimed leader of the group….I guess I can speak on it a bit….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Tim………..my wie is getting mad at me because I am laughing too hard and waking up my kids……
September 14th, 2008 at 12:00 am
stop bro…….that crap is too funny dude…..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Chaos
I’m serious… I respect the vision… Just seems like mission impossible 4
September 14th, 2008 at 12:03 am
anyways El…….all we are trying to do is make it known that a lot….and I mean a lot of Raider Fans are tired of the tyrant……….not tired as in well golly jeez, I guess I will just have to watch porn and eat cheezy poofs until next week when we play another game and hopefully get a win…..but tired enough to make a statement in open public away from the shield of the Oakland Tribune regarding our disgust…..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:03 am
El Dirty Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Charlotte
I was one of those people that went on the donkey blog
COCHINO, IT’S THE “BRONCO” BLOG AND WHO INVITED YOU TO JOIN ONTO OUR DISCUSSION?
I had fun and chatted it up with a few people. It was all for good argument. I also showed up when we lost like I said I would. Seriously Donkey fan
THAT’S “BRONCO” FAN TO YOU FADER.
in the last 5 years what has your team done
STAYED OUT OF THE CELLAR THANKS TO YOU LOOOZERS.
besides watch another team come playoff time and have their players beating their woman and getting gun charges.
KINDA LIKE THE WAY YOU INBRED GREASY AL OFFBREED DO OTHER FANS AT YOUR STADIUM?
Your team is a joke as well buddy go slip on a mcdonalds bag for me and land your face in a computer.
IF MY TEAM IS SUCH A JOKE WHY DOES YOUR TEAM GOBBLE UP OUR CASTOFFS AS SOON AS WHE CUT THEM?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am
following up on 196….what is the mission impossible…..making him hear what we are saying….or the buying the team thing……
September 14th, 2008 at 12:05 am
hey spider…..is shaw still on your team…..?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:06 am
sloppy seconds the day after he is cut…….castoff? Nah…..just cut because he sucked so bad he couldn’t make the tyrants defense……
September 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am
but he fits well in your scheme right……?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am
First If we do win what does it do for us I still think Kiff if heck we go to the superbowl hes is outta here n I like him but as you I have hope in every coach but if he is gone do it now see what Loften or Fasell can do or shock the world n bring in green or ditka now that would be funny could you omagine big mike n ryan together guys even that is worth the price of a ticket or sunday ticket .
September 14th, 2008 at 12:08 am
PDXRaider Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I think spider is about ten and has vowed to make the world pay since he realized it’s been his dad breastfeeding him this whole time.
Greazy al is everyone in choaklands dad. He told all of you that he was going to breastfeed you from the get go. He just didn’t tell you that it wasn’t his tit you were sucking on.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Charlotte
Real easy donkey fan… poor personnel department, my boy chaos here will tell you all about it. And Charlotte I got it right its DONKEY FAN! still waiting for a point here. All I hear is stupid ozzing out of u.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Hey Tim……the tyrants dream is over…..he is so old and out of touch, he missed some ingredents in the jungle juice he was feeding everyone and the buzz is wearin off……..now he is sitting in his pressbox pissing on fans from the comforts of his wheelchair……by the way, did you see him put down the coach calling headphones that have a direct link to those green dot helmets on the 4th down play from our 20…..he called the punt team off and told russel to go for it…..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I think Silver and Black Illustrated stated insiders said that if Kiffin was gone, then Knapp would rejoin Mora’s staff up in Seattle or something like that…again, the turnover, lack of credibility and leadership has undermined Oakland for about 5 years, now.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Chaos
Buying the team, I’m sure he has heard u already.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Hey spider….I like our crap talk sometimes, but come on dude,….you must be tired because the last was zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..sometimes a comedian runs out of jokes……..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:14 am
but I like the world laughing at me….means we mean something to them……..same when they argue with me…..means I struck a nerve….you know a lot about the world laughing right……..especialy come playoff time……..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:17 am
please collective shield….cover me from the poisonous arrows that pierce my heart……
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
El Dirty Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Charlotte
Real easy donkey fan… poor personnel department, my boy chaos here will tell you all about it. And Charlotte I got it right its DONKEY FAN!
AS A “BRONCO” FAN AT LEAST I HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO TOMORROW. BY DAYS END THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE MY BRONCOS COULD HAVE A 2 GAME LEAD OVER YOU IN THE DIVISION. AND IT’S ONLY THE 2ND GAME OF THE SEASON.
still waiting for a point here. All I hear is stupid ozzing out of u.
COCHINO, I THINK THE OOZE YOU ARE SEEING IS FROM THE POX ON GREAZY AL’S FACE. YOU SHOULDN’T BE SUCKING THE PUSS THAT DRIPS OUT THEM. NO TELLING WHERE THAT OLD COOTS FACE HAS BEEN.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Charlotte
I thought I was helping your writers out. When I got on your “blog” there was 4 posts by 2 guys. Very good conversation by the way you guys know your stuff. lmao
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Ohhhh — I feel like venting…
Spider — You creeping along in here…is just one of those things that happens when another team’s fans can crow a little. All kinds of things creeping around this place lately. Just remember, you’ll be eating that crow again someday.
Oh, remember this, too — the bigger-picture perspective:
Everybody knows that the Raiders have three Super Bowls to Denver’s two. Everybody knows how the owner of the Broncos cheated his fellow owners — by using his own secret pay system — to get those trophies, too. Way to earn ‘em, Bronc’s. Woo-Hoo, nothing like being labeled cheaters!
Fact is, since the real genius behind Denver’s success (Elway) retired, Denver’s been an also-ran as much as the Raiders have been. Records don’t show any Super Bowl wins in your books since then, so there’s really nothing to be bragging about. That is, unless you really like wearing T-shirts that say stuff like, “I LOVE MY TEAM THAT WON ONE PLAYOFF GAME BEFORE BEING (orange) CRUSHED,” and other similar things. Wow, those would be shirts to be worn proudly. Kinda like “Participation Certificates.” Ummmm…how many championships lately?
But back to the owner…When Pat Bowlen pulled his stunt, hiding those secret payments from his own league, it showed a lack of character that any self-respecting fan of the team should be ashamed of. Caught cheating, even before the Patriots were caught cheating. Instead of winning by not dealing his NFL partners a fair hand, Pat Bowlen doomed your championship teams to always be looked at with a jaundiced-eye — the proverbial *asterisk* should apply.
Our own old man Al would never do what cheating Bowlen did (at any age, no matter how desperate). Al would tell cheating a$$holes like that cheater Bowlen what he was going to do, right to their faces whether they liked it or not, and then he’d go do it — legally, and without mercy. Even with a walker, he’s still got the ball$ to take on cheaters like Bowlen. None of this hiding the truth, like that cheater Bowlen, gaining financially from cheating his partners.
I’d venture to say, whenever Al sees the cheater Bowlen… he reminds that cheater Bowlen about the times that cheater Bowlen cheated his own league. That cheating ba$tard Bowlen cheated his own league. Just to get trophies he didn’t deserve. And yet, he still has less trophies than Al and the Raiders do…
At least that’s something to feel pretty good about on this side of things.
Ahhh…that’s better
September 14th, 2008 at 12:22 am
guys i norm like to just read good raider posts long day bartending n a few jokes dont hurt but why does other fans come here god doesnt their teams have a site yes but BORING NOT 1 TEAM IN THE WEST CAN TALK CRAP COUNT THE TROPHYS THE RECORDS N SHUT THE PHUCK UP.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Nation Collective-Chaos Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Hey spider….I like our crap talk sometimes, but come on dude,….you must be tired because the last was zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..sometimes a comedian runs out of jokes……..
Guess the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz’s are because it’s later where I am than where you are and I’m getting ready to hit the sack, that and you guys are really getting boring. For the last 3 days you looooozers have been say the same old tiresome things over and over. Maybe tomorrow I’ll go over and see what the “CHIEFS” are saying about you guys. Their blogs aren’t as amusing as the fader blogs but htey’re more believeable.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:25 am
yeah el I know he has…..things happened out of the ordinary this week……even with the whole kiff firing thing…that has been a blip on the radar for a while now…..but I feel that he has heard and probably went pee in his pants………..then comes the PR Dept….who we called this week and rose hell with …….telling the tyrant about our displeasure and he went to RR and said”now you listen here my deciple…..the flock are fu@kin one another right now and they are includin me in the mix…..this could ruin my name and we could lose out on bringing Javon Kerse and dre bly here next year when nnamdi and burgess leave because I am broke…..do you want that to happen deciple? then go out there and take it in the azz like I showed you how in the video I made…….that will impress the hell out of them……..I will deal with that voice of reason on offense later this week……
September 14th, 2008 at 12:25 am
ooooooh burned by Hayes… lol
September 14th, 2008 at 12:26 am
When you draft DBs in the first round of 5 out of 8 drafts your lines will suck. Madden said the Raiders should draft an offensive tackle this year and he was right.
Not blitzing is a receipe for disaster in the NFL, because blitzing creates turnovers. Al Davis is living in the past, and Rob Ryan is his little butt boy.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 am
EL DIRTY DOES YOUR MATE GET MAD AT SCREAMING OUT OH YES YES SHARPE THEN SPIT ON HIS BACK THEN GO NO I AM ELWAY GET IT RIGHT.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Dang,Raid didnt work,back to the store again.Remember,pal,RAIDERS have KICKED youre ASS over the years in denver,post 204,you sound like a gaybird,see you the 23rd of NOV,be sure and check back in w/the fellas,s–t he-d
September 14th, 2008 at 12:28 am
El Dirty Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Charlotte
I thought I was helping your writers out. When I got on your “blog” there was 4 posts by 2 guys. Very good conversation by the way you guys know your stuff. lmao
The rest of the bloggers probably had better things to do than cry on each others shoulders about how the world would be better off without a 79 year old senile owner.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Spider,
Here’s a story for you: wiki, wiki, wiki.
and to Raider fan who posted about spider going to hang himself….
“Arachne was the daughter of Idmon of Colophon, who was a famous wool dyer in Tyrian purple. She was a fine weaver in Hypaepa of Lydia. She was as skillful as the finest artist of the day and much praise was given to her in Hypaepa, where she had her workshop.
This all went to her head and eventually Arachne became so conceited of her skill as a weaver that she began claiming that her skill was greater than that of Minerva,[2] the goddess of wisdom and war as well as the weaving arts. Minerva was angered, but gave Arachne a chance to redeem herself. Assuming the form of an old woman, she warned Arachne not to offend the gods. Arachne scoffed and wished for a weaving contest, so she could prove her skill. Minerva dropped her disguise and the contest began.
Minerva wove the scene of her victory over Neptune that had inspired the people of Athens to name their city for her. According to Ovid’s Latin narrative, Arachne’s tapestry featured twenty-one episodes of the infidelity of the gods, disguised as animals: Jupiter being unfaithful with Leda, with Europa, with Danaë.
Even Minerva admitted that Arachne’s work was flawless, but was outraged at Arachne’s disrespectful choice of subjects that displayed the failings and transgressions of the gods.[3] Finally losing her temper, she destroyed Arachne’s tapestry and loom, striking it with her shuttle, and struck Arachne on the head as well. Arachne realized her folly and was crushed with shame. She ran off and hanged herself.
In Ovid’s telling, Minerva took pity on Arachne. Sprinkling her with the juices of aconite, Minerva loosened the rope, which became a spider web, while Arachne herself was changed into a spider. The story suggests that the origin of weaving lay in imitation of spiders and that it was considered to have been perfected first in Asia Minor.”
Weave away, little spider. Point out the atrocities of our gods, mock venomously. Remember spider, we are Raid… and don’t make us open up a can. Raaaaaaiiiidddd… eeerrrrrrrrrsssss!
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 14th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Al,
Because I know you sit up late and read the 197th post on JMacs blog…..
Please retire. You were great for a long time. Your time is over. Let some young football minds come in and run things. Your fantastic legacy will be there…although now, with a footnote about the last 5 horrible years of your control of the team. Please retire.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:32 am
I mean 200 and somethingth…..lol
September 14th, 2008 at 12:33 am
And beat down keeps coming Charlotte…
September 14th, 2008 at 12:33 am
GuamanianRaider…….did you major in dawsons creek?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:33 am
For those on the east coast much less west coast these 1 pm games just dont feel right I for one think kc should be 3pm there time better tailgating better for Raider fans every where heck bars in west cant even serve can they?
September 14th, 2008 at 12:35 am
Kirk is right. You gotta have O-line and D-line. The failure to fix this hasn’t been made.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Do you think AL can operate a computer, or do you suppose their is some azz kissing yes’um reading it to him. But none the less I agree. So i’ll say it to.
Al Davis please retire and take now what is left of your legacy before it is foreshadowed with the inability to properly run our once proud francise.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
I am not making fun….I just like the philoso….philos…phil….p-h-i-l—-sorry gotta wiki it b4 Hayes makes fun of my spell checking…….philosophy
September 14th, 2008 at 12:37 am
there you go chef….cook it up bro…..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:39 am
dear el dirty tell your mom i am sorry i didnt call her back the bar painted over the number in the mens room but itching n burning was because of the fact she dropped the saucsa on my cronch why trying to get in bed.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:40 am
hey chef….no al can not operate a computer…….he is too busy eating cheese balls and watching porn to want to learn……plus I think the alz….als…alhals….crap………………………………………………….Alzheimer’s is gonna make him forget after 5 min anyways…..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am
lol spider….your a troll…..dont make bad of tim like that….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am
dirty….that had troll written all over it…….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Guys….long day….I need to retire…..at least I can admit it…….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Tim
I see why they ignore u go to bed. Your making charlotte look intelligent.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:43 am
does anyone think the oline with money n expectations would be better with lt gallary lg morris c grove rg same rt harris I DO.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Lol, Al’s Hiemers is right. Know wonder why his finger is the way it is. But I hear if you use your other hand its like someone else is doin it. That would explain the towel.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Guamanianraider,are YOU ready for some RAIDER football?May I ask of youre pre game ritual,bloody mary,eggs,salsa,etc ps post 219ILL read it again!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am
LOL Chef…….I like the Al’s Heimers……that is good sheet mang……….I need to add that to the Nation Collective menefesto that has been on the RADIO and other WEBSITES……..
September 14th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Good night nation, See ya 2mmorrow for what I hope will be our victory blog.
Raiders 17 Queefs 13
September 14th, 2008 at 12:46 am
yeah me 2 chef…..ltr….
September 14th, 2008 at 12:47 am
el man just playing still dont know why u called me out 4 badlanguage bad typing yes but he man its gameday lets enjoy.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:48 am
HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Ohhhh — I feel like venting…
I WOULD TOO IF I HAVEN’T SEEN AT LEAST 3RD PLACE IN 5 YEARS.
Spider — You creeping along in here…is just one of those things that happens when another team’s fans can crow a little. All kinds of things creeping around this place lately. Just remember, you’ll be eating that crow again someday.
ALIAS HAYES-I WOULDN’T EVEN BE ON THIS SORRY ASS SITE IF SOME OF YOUR LOOOOZER BUDDIES HADN’T COME TO MY BLOG AND START SHOOTING OFF THEIR MOUTHS. i HATE TO SOUND REDUNDANT BUT YOU LOOOOZERS CAN’T EVEN TALK THE TALK LET ALONE WALK THE WALK.
Oh, remember this, too — the bigger-picture perspective:
Everybody knows that the Raiders have three Super Bowls to Denver’s two.
AND WHAT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE PLIGHT OF YOUR ORGINIZATION TODAY? AT LEAST WHEN YOU WERE WINNING THOSE 3 SB’S YOU HAD THE ORGINIZATION TO BACK UP THE TALK.
Everybody knows how the owner of the Broncos cheated his fellow owners — by using his own secret pay system — to get those trophies, too.
Way to earn ‘em, Bronc’s. Woo-Hoo, nothing like being labeled cheaters!
YOU MEAN BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE SALARY CAP AND GREAZY AL COULDN’T REMEMBER WHERE HE PUT HIS BRYLCREAM?
Fact is, since the real genius behind Denver’s success (Elway) retired, Denver’s been an also-ran as much as the Raiders have been.
IF YOU’RE HAPPY WITH WINNING 4 OR 5 GAMES A SEASON, WHO AM I TO BURST YOUR BUUBLE?
Records don’t show any Super Bowl wins in your books since then, so there’s really nothing to be bragging about.
YOU DON’T GET THE POINT DO YOU ALIAS SMITH? YOUR BOYZ ARE THE ONES THAT CAME ON MY BOARD BRAGGING HOW THEY WERE GOING TO BEAT THE BRONCOS. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND BESIDES I HAVEN’T BEEN BRAGING ABOUT HOW GOOD MY TEAM IS….JUST BEEN LETTING YOU KNOW HOW SORRY YOUR TEAM IS:-)
That is, unless you really like wearing T-shirts that say stuff like, “I LOVE MY TEAM THAT WON ONE PLAYOFF GAME BEFORE BEING (orange) CRUSHED,” and other similar things. Wow, those would be shirts to be worn proudly. Kinda like “Participation Certificates.” Ummmm…how many championships lately?
GOSH I HAVEN’T SEEN THOSE T-SHIRTS. LAST TIME I WAS IN CHOAKLAND I DID SEE SEVERAL “WE SUCK” T-SHIRTS THOUGH.
But back to the owner…When Pat Bowlen pulled his stunt, hiding those secret payments from his own league, it showed a lack of character that any self-respecting fan of the team should be ashamed of. Caught cheating, even before the Patriots were caught cheating. Instead of winning by not dealing his NFL partners a fair hand, Pat Bowlen doomed your championship teams to always be looked at with a jaundiced-eye — the proverbial *asterisk* should apply.
Our own old man Al would never do what cheating Bowlen did (at any age, no matter how desperate).
CAN I HAVE SOME OF WHAT YOUR DRINKING/SMOKING? GREASY AL HAS BEEN KNOWN TO PUT DEAD HORSE HEADS NEXT TO ANYONE WHO OPPOSES HIM WHILE THEY WERE SLEEPING.
Al would tell cheating a$$holes like that cheater Bowlen what he was going to do, right to their faces whether they liked it or not,
LOL, THAT’S NOT HOW HE SPREADS HIS SYPHILUS. ONCE THE PUSS FROM HIS FACE IS EXPOSED TO FRESH AIR IT’S NEUTRALIZED.
and then he’d go do it — legally, and without mercy. Even with a walker, he’s still got the ball$ to take on cheaters like Bowlen. None of this hiding the truth, like that cheater Bowlen, gaining financially from cheating his partners.
I’d venture to say, whenever Al sees the cheater Bowlen… he reminds that cheater Bowlen about the times that cheater Bowlen cheated his own league. That cheating ba$tard Bowlen cheated his own league. Just to get trophies he didn’t deserve. And yet, he still has less trophies than Al and the Raiders do…
At least that’s something to feel pretty good about on this side of things.
MY LAWYER WILL BE FILING PERJURY CHARGES AGAINST YOU IN THE MORNING.
Ahhh…that’s better
September 14th, 2008 at 12:49 am
hey el the only charlette is the web
September 14th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Good Night Raider Nation. Hope tomorrow’s game brings us happiness, sunshine and blue skies.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:51 am
U KNOW THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT A SPIDER IS THE SUCK.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:52 am
N U STEP ON THEM
September 14th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Tim
That wasn’t me talking about your language
September 14th, 2008 at 12:54 am
ANY GROWN MAN NAMED SPIDER LISTENED TO TO MUCH SHA NA NA N PROBALLY LIVES IN MOMS BASEMANT WHILE WAITING 4 SIS TO SHOWER.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:55 am
HEY EL THEN IGNORE THE JOKES MAN SORRY I AM TIRED N JUST BORED 2NITE
September 14th, 2008 at 12:57 am
GO RAIDERS N GO CHARGERS THAT HURT.
September 14th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Hey Jerry, it’s a must win for Al Davis, too. Long live The Collective, mother f*****s!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Ok Goodnight Charlotte
as for invading your donkey blog
“I’m not sorry! I’ll do it again!” = Pee Wee Herman in a Cheech and Chong movie.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
anyone who blames kiffin is STUPID……he tried to fire ryan but our dumb@ss owner wont let him. What do you expect???? we all see it is the defense that sucks here….
So stop being STUPID and saying its kiffins fault…
FIRE RYAN !!!!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:02 am
I’m sure Kiffin’s really worried. He can’t wait to get fired. This is like xmas to him. And who could blame him? Working for Al Davis is hell. It’s like working for Leona Hemsley, except that even Hemsley knows you can’t play man coverage an entire game.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Oh, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t talk about the dead. Sorry. I won’t mention Al Davis again.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:04 am
I’m blogging in this bitch! I’m KIFF-in! Soon as Kiffin’s gone, I’m gone. I’m not sticking around for this crap.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Dear Spider sorry u spend your nites wishing you loved the Raiders but it takes more then a name maybe Fonzie at first then learn to be a real man try silver first n work your way up to black then get rid of the boyfriend buy a hooker get a raider tix n just try think john wayne at a a ac dc cocert do a shot n pretend your a man well then go back to denver stare at your elway poster n then ask your mom to rub your hamstring .
September 14th, 2008 at 1:07 am
I know the K.C. fans are preparing for a feast in 8.5 hours. If the Raiders win, it will be in spite of Kiffen. Knowing this is his last game, Kiffen has no reason to save Jruss’ life. There should be some time consuming (QB sacking) fly route plays. After all if Jruss get’s clipped and tears his acl, pcl and mcl, no skin off of Kiffs back. Dmac is a crazy good back and if Kiffen gives him a chance (and the o-line can create some daylight) Dmac can win this on his own. They only problem (MAJOR) is RR’s defense is part of the equation. They have to NOT let K.C. score first (translation: K.C. cannot win the toss!).
I plan on DVR the game and watch it when I get back from church. I will lift them up in prayer.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:08 am
hey oak did your mom find out if your going to be a new bother yet just wondering I KNOW THERE MUST BE AT LEAST 12 OF US WORRIED ABOUT THAT NITE.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:11 am
HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO OAK OAK OAK OAK OAK NOW U KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME BETWEEN YOUR MOMS THIGHS.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:14 am
As I’ve stated before….for me, the Raiders are like a beautiful young and intelligent daughter that got influenced by a greedy, egomanical, manipulating, creepy old pimp, who turned her into a pock-marked, scraggly crack ho….
September 14th, 2008 at 1:15 am
tim c 40yrs of raider nation Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 12:54 am
ANY GROWN MAN NAMED SPIDER LISTENED TO TO MUCH SHA NA NA N PROBALLY LIVES IN MOMS BASEMANT WHILE WAITING 4 SIS TO SHOWER.
And anyone with fader in their name would be a grownup? Me thinks not. Anyway, no matter how you slice it or dice, tomorrow evening you girls will still be in the cellar drinking sewer water. Did I forget to say the laughing stock of the NFL as well?
September 14th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Chaos,
don’t think I ever watched dawson’s creek, so I missed your dis, I think.
Willie,
Tomorrow is a pancake breakfast at this seniors center with the family, and then a buddy comes over and we get hungry for some football. Ritual? Stouts and Porters when I’m at my home, but that gets tougher with all the kids. Tomorrow there will be six… kids, and six points from the touchdown. I’m looking for Jano to kick four extra-points. Wear Biletnikoff jersey and hold, toss a football. TV is too loud, and so am I. Should firing happen then so be it. I am not thinking about that for those guys, I’m thinking about them thinking about x’s and o’s. Want to see some stout run defense and I want to see our running backs with the ball in their hands, in many varied ways. Want the TE to have around six passes thrown his way: it’s Miller time.
Game two: the season is no longer a novelty.
Chaos… still trying to figure out your reference.
Raider on,
Guamanian Raider
September 14th, 2008 at 1:17 am
i am back real name so u possers get ready not safe real talk 40yrs back up smack no chance hey if not a raider go to your own site i know yawn but hey your team . n one day may care enough to type right.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:19 am
tim c 40yrs of raider nation Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Dear Spider sorry u spend your nites wishing you loved the Raiders but it takes more then a name maybe Fonzie at first then learn to be a real man try silver first n work your way up to black then get rid of the boyfriend buy a hooker get a raider tix n just try think john wayne at a a ac dc cocert do a shot n pretend your a man well then go back to denver stare at your elway poster n then ask your mom to rub your hamstring .
That makes just about as much sense as greazy al’s personell selections.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am
I doubt that’s our Oakglenn.
But anyway, I have a response to the real Oakglenn from earlier today…
I don’t see where I said that good caliber coaches weren’t hard to find. I don’t know what you’re responding to there.
If you’re going to accuse me of living in a trailer park, you should at least work on your grammar.
calibre is actually spelled “caliber”.
mulitmullionares is actually spelled “multimillionaires”. Although, maybe you meant to spell it that way since you were referring to trailer parks. Get it? “MULLETmillionaires? But, of course, you’re not smart enough to come up with that. So what am I thinking?
The only reason I brought up Shaw and Breshnehan was to make the point that Gruden had more control than Kiffin had. Neither Shaw or Bresh were running a typical Al Davis defense. I wasn’t making a case for Shaw or Breshnehan, just pointing out the fact that Gruden had control of defense when he was here. Kiffin obviously doesn’t. Hence, my point, that Davis wanted another Gruden, but refused to let him become another Gruden, in regards to stature and presence.
So, you spent all that time responding to a point that I’d never even made. And, as far as I could see, you never addressed my point that Gruden had more control than Kiffin.
Oaklgnen, so far, this just isn’t your season…both the Raiders and your blogging are off to a bad start.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Raiderscott 253,
Nobody thinks that Ryan is better than Kiffen. I think Kiffen is going to do well wherever he ends up. He is leaving because HE WANTS TO, not because WE want him to. But as long as Al Davis is the owner of this rich man’s toy, nobody can wrest it from his grip. So don’t get mad at us. I agree FIRE RYAN!!! I have been saying that for years. It is not personal it is just business. We are all in a situation we cannot change, so like an abused wife that stays for the kids sake, we have to divorce ourselves from our emotions and mentally let the Raiders go until the inevitable.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:21 am
spider dumbass its a raider site not 40yrs of dodgers or lakers or having sex with your mom 4 that matter although after the itching burning problem i stopped her yesrs ago which reminds me how old r u you mite want to refer to me as dad or sir.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:26 am
Sorry I WAS DISTRACTED MY POODLE WAS HAS HAVING SEX WITH MY CAT N WELL I COULDNT TYPE. ALL I THOUGHT WAS IF WAS JUST A BIRD DAMN WHAT A NITE N JUST WIST WISH ME N SPIDER COULD HAVE A GLASS A WINE N WELL ENOUGH OFF TO ADULTFRIEND FINDER LOL.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Jamie Dukes make the ultimate statement regarding the Raiders on a video on nfl.com
“We’re all just wasting our time until Al Davis gets a head coach who agrees with all of his philosophies”
100% correct……Al wants it his way. Fine….but why not get a coach who’s 100% in tune with Al, instead of having all the BULL all the time! WE’RE WASTING OUR TIME until Al gets a true puppet or gets out!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Breshnehan is the D coordinator at Cincy
September 14th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Mr did you get your test back my brother did say he is worried. he sayed the wartswill go away but they can cum back.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Guamanianraider,sounds good,OK,pancakes,eggs,salsa,chips,bloody mary,beer,and a few partners,and a RAIDER WIN!!! ps,Looks like Kiffin could be history,is what it is! Enjoy the Game,talk at you later!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Just took my yearly, WV. Whatever me and your brother did I came out clean. Sorry.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:49 am
Could you guys please stop posting as Oakglenn? You do realize he immediately blames me and starts posting under my name, don’t you? Thanks, guys. Really.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Kiffin’s already history. Lets say we win tomorrow. We still don’t beat Buff or SD. And, we’ll only win tomorrow because everyone’s on the bubble. Suddenly we’ll be blitzing, players will be playing at 120%; Then, in Buffalo, it will be back to normal. The Raiders don’t do win streaks. You know that.
Anyhow, what do you guys think was Kiffin’s jump the shark moment?
I say it was after the Miami game last year, when he said this in response to a reporter asking him if he was “satisfied” with being at .500 going into the bye: “Being satisfied at .500 is the exact type of thinking I’m trying to rid this organization of.”
That was it, right there. IMO.
September 14th, 2008 at 1:59 am
MR you’re right…Kiffin is gone………The different thing this time is that a majority of the fans can now see that the situation is the same as it has been the last 20 years (except for the Gruden period)and that firing Kiffin is not going to make us better.
Same old stuff that is destroying this team and Kiffin is not the problem. Kiffin is not a great coach, he’s ok and has a chance to be great but he’s still not the problem. The problem is the old wacked out pimp daddy who has turned our beautiful daughter into a crack ho.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:02 am
Mr.
I read what u said… Thanks bud enjoy the game tomorrow goodnight.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Al has pulled his crap on the coaches and made his lame free agent pick ups and lousy draft.
Now the coach has quit, the players have quit and the fans are quitting….done deal.
Oh yeah, just fire the coach.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:34 am
I know it’s late but f it it’s Saturday. I’ll be up for the game tomorrow. But anyhow, those of you in LA..have you seen the pictures from that train wreck yet? My god, unbelievable, man. I’ve taken the metrolink before. Riverside Raider, I’m sure you have. It connects Riverside to just about everywhere in the southland. Orange County, Oceanside, Downtown LA, Union Station, Burbank… Anyhow, 18 people confirmed dead. Now they’re saying the engineer was text messaging. I don’t even know what to think anymore. Makes all this Raiders stuff seem trivial, that’s for sure. But anyhow, enjoy the game tomorrow. Well, try to, anyway. Because we might be even worse than KC if last week was indicative of anything.
September 14th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Sup Nation? What’s crackin?
September 14th, 2008 at 2:56 am
I will say this much. Al firing Kiffin only makes our goal of the fans buying the team that much easier. The more stupid decisions he makes, the easier it will be for us to have millions of pledges.
I cannot believe Kif isn’t gonna make it. I am absolutely blown away by the ignorance of that decision. And Ryan stays? J$%^s C%^$t~!
September 14th, 2008 at 3:03 am
[...] in the Bay Area, they are already talking about Sunday’s game being a must win situation for the embattled coach of the Raiders, Lane [...]
September 14th, 2008 at 3:11 am
It is a must win, but with Al set in his ways as it is, even a blowout of the Chiefs may only buy him a couple weeks. I am so blown away at where Al has put this franchise that I don’t have words to describe it.
September 14th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Been a Raider fan since 1976 (9 yrs old) after everything I’ve read I gotta say I believe Kiffin is our guy but at this point are the players divided between Kiff and Ryan, if so we cant win games, as much as I hate to say it just give Ryan the team this morning and lets play football, Al will have to back Rob after all the crap for the past year, and Kiff will go to another team and win alot of games like all the others before him, on paper we have the potential to look like USC last night, so if all the drama is keeping us from being there then just end it baby and move on. Thx for the vision Kiff and best of luck in your future….
September 14th, 2008 at 4:29 am
The road to redemption starts today for the Raiders. Last week was canceled,
I hope we win and win big. I dont want anyone to get fired. I want this team to finish 8-8.
Lets hope the players on defense earn their paychecks this week.
The entire defense should have given Al his money back for that crappy performance at home.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:01 am
The sports writers act like The Kiff will be worried if he gets fired, he will say Halleluah and we will all await the next coach to be fired, then the next then next and so on and so forth. Cant we call see that the Raiders org is way off beat of what is the norm for NFL success. Stability , character. Players with character will produce winning nor not, without their egos being stroked. You get paid then WORK. Its a job. If I didnt produce Id be fired on the spot. The days are long gone when you can take a talented reject and give a second chance because then charactor counted, a man stood up as a man . Men are no longer men of their word, they act on feelings not committment.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:02 am
Good Morning NATION!!! Sup? First of all I stated last week that the donkeys are NOT that good and we are NOT that bad.Second for all of you wanting the donkeys 2 beat the dis-chargers,that is not in our best intrest.If donkeys win they are 2-0,in the division.If dis-chargers win they would be 1-1,donkeys would be 1-1,in div.IF we win we would be 1-1 in div,and squaws would 0-2,but only 0-1 in div.You MUST win your div.first.The NFL truely makes strange bed-fellows thats 4-sure!!!I know how some here feel about dis-chargers,donkeys and vice-versa,but a donkey win puts them in the driver seat early
September 14th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Oh I fogot … my guess this week is:
Raiduhs 27 KC 21
last week I had Denver 24 US 14
September 14th, 2008 at 5:11 am
I actually disagree with Jerry about Kiffin. If anyone is going to get fired in the early season, I think it’s gonna be Rob Ryan. He laid a MAJOR egg on Monday night, and JaMarcus had a 110 QB rating. The miscues on offense were on the rookie QB, not the coach. Our offensive scheme was good, but our defensive scheme sucked big time (even Robbo admitted as much). If Davis fires Kiffin before Davis, he’s an even bigger moron and more senile than I already thought.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:17 am
oh-yeah RAIDERS:17 squaws:16 last week I had us winning 34-6 so what do I know?????????
September 14th, 2008 at 5:20 am
First, let me refute the notion that Kiffin doesn’t believe in his players. You will never see a coach that goes for it so much on 4th down if they don’t believe in their players. I don’t care what he says in public. But what he says in public, if negative, is true with respect to that player(s) and I’m sure he and his staff let that player know before it ever came up in the media.
We have a lot of “junk” players on this roster. What do want him to feed the myth that the Raiders are fully loaded and primed for a SB run like Rob Ryan? What would that really solve except make a team think they’re already the best thing since slice bread and only need to work on a “few” kinks here and there?
September 14th, 2008 at 5:27 am
why doesnt Davis just say we dont have a head coach position available. and hire all coordinators. All you sports writers act as if Kiffen will be upset if Davis fires him, no such thing, the man will be celebrating until we all see who the next head coach to be fired will be.
The announcemt should go like this:
The raiders announce that the next head coach to be fired is…….
How can Davis pay Hall and not Asoumgh,, Kelly but not Burgess, he has no loyalty to his own, the man has unfortunatelty gone frightenly mad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Which is the only team to have a new head coach for each of its last 6 years?? Isnt that just a wee bit peculiar
September 14th, 2008 at 5:31 am
The same thing ATL did with MAtt Ryan; Kiffin did with Jam. Jam’s first play in the NFL was a roll out where he found Jerry Porter open on the sideline (after his other reads were not open) for what I believe was a 10-15 yarder. So that’s not true.
Besides that, I really wouldn’t point to May Ryan as an example. He really only threw like 13 passes all game and completed like 9 or so. MTurner did all the work.
September 14th, 2008 at 5:53 am
#86 ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Here is just my humble opinion……
I think the whole situation could go from “the sky is falling.” to “we could be a playoff team.” IF we win this game.
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Rob Ryan pretty much zapped all my confidence in winning possibilities with the defense’s performance vs Denver. Now I’m in a wait and see mode – one week at a time. Hopefully they get it together starting this week – but we’ll have to wait and see.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Sup NATION!
I need a win! A dominating performance will make me feel way better about our direction! Fuk I hate denver KC and dago!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:03 am
post 210 HayesDaze#37 RTFO!!! No matter what RAIDERS DONT CHEAT THEY JUST KICK A$$. lil’ spidy just had his comeuppance.On this glorious day in RAIDER-LAND,I am going to the local watering-hole 2 catch the game with the guys.In honor of youre most exellent #210 post,I am taking my #37 jersey off the wall,which Ive had since the 1983 season,and am going 2 wear it 2 the game.Damn BRO we should ALL vent like that sometimes.Man that post got my blood boiling.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:15 am
The Raiders are going to win this game! If Al Davis still sees fit to fire Kiffin after a win….the Collective will have increased by one more person….
September 14th, 2008 at 6:15 am
HEY 408 good morning!!! Ufck the squaws
September 14th, 2008 at 6:19 am
If ryan’s defense doesn’t come up with a decent game and we lose…fire ryan. He can always mow al’s lawn.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:21 am
A “yes man” cannot turn this team around; Davis is going to fire Kiffen because he’s not a “yes man” and the team will keep losing…maybe the new investors can get this idiot to step back and let someone more competent run it (see George Steinbrenner)
September 14th, 2008 at 6:29 am
Morning 4eva!
I was reading the posts I missed last night! Kid Rock concert was cool he had RUN DMC come out for like 10 mins during his set wich was freaking awesome!
Oh yeah I want to break all 8 of that insects legs just for fun!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Napolean Harris isnt playing today
September 14th, 2008 at 6:31 am
Ufck the chefs! ufck the donkeys & ufck the chokers!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Man 408 you get 2 have ALL THE FUN tHE 408 rocks!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:33 am
Terrapin..
I totally agree with your post #292
September 14th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Has an NFL coach ever been fired during a game? That would be cool! Imagine Al going down to the sideline with 3 or 4 goons, he whacks Lane in head with his cane while grabbing the headset. Then the goons beat the hell out of Kiffin, breaking both knee caps with their billy clubs, leaving him laying there on the side line writhing in agony. Al hands the headset to Rathman and says “better turn this $hit around kid!”
September 14th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Morning LMN
you ready for some redemption?!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:39 am
All the talking heads this morning are saying Kiff is gone and Al said kiff is not the mAn he hired last year.
I dont like hearing this, but I bet it all dates back to Kiff pushing for the ARK job halfway into his first season.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:39 am
4eva last nights concert was @ Knocti in the 707 Lake County.. But the 408 Rocks…
September 14th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Get your arse up Scary and start blogging.
You took a pass yesterday while JJ scooped you.
Get busy blogging or else………..
September 14th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Looksl like Mort is at it again just so ESPN can have fun talking about the inhouse beefing as usual in this morning’s pregame show. Dude is talkin’ bout KIFF WILL BE FIRED REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TODAY. Not sure if ya’ll have read it but here is the link. It’s one of the top stories this morning on ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3587018
September 14th, 2008 at 6:42 am
I bet Kerry redneck Collins blows up today.
The termites will not want VY back.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:44 am
Morning Andrews Mom
Still best year ever? I havent given up on our boyz yet… I like Kiffin and hope he is our coach for a long long time!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:48 am
That Mort report is depressing. The fact that those rumors are swirling around would make me not even want to coach today’s game and I hope Kiff isn’t thinking like that, but who could blame him? Damn Al, why would he handle the situation like this and leak something like that if it’s true? He better not fire that guy tomorrow, especially if we win.. Or hell, maybe he should, and then Al himself should resign and hand the reigns over to Amy Trask. Something…anything….please help this nation!!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:51 am
We’ve been having the same conversation for five years. What’s the common denominator in this mess ? And that’s your answer.
September 14th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Hey AL DAVIS if we loose this one,the entire NATION will have one question for you; HOWS ARE A$$ TASTE!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:58 am
AL we love you but please 4 the love of the NATION cut the crap already!
September 14th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I’m not up in the bay so I don’t know what’s happening with the local sports radio. Please tell me it ain’t true my boy Kiff is gonna be gone tomorrow…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Morning 408..
September 14th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Silver&BlackBleeder
I stopped listening to bay area sports talk but the pre game fix starts in 1 hour @
http://www.ksfo560.com usually strait up Kool-Aid check it out bro….
September 14th, 2008 at 7:03 am
NFL network just did a show on AFC matchups.
Matchups with winless teams was the last segment.
They went through evry 0-1 matchup but skipped the Raiders-Chiefs.
I have not given up on the
Best year ever!!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:09 am
PTB – BINGO!
Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Appreciate that NC408. Don’t know if you’ve went over to ESPN.com yet this morning, but Mort’s story on Kiff being gone by Monday is the top headline. I think Mort loves reproting on our inhouse chaos. A lot of the times it is bogus though. Good to know I got a link where I can get some straight up biz and no nonsense. Good lookin’ out…
September 14th, 2008 at 7:12 am
Besides I will say the same thing next year.
I want the Raiders to win.
I get excited about every game.
If they are 2-12 then I will be hoping and talking smack about them knocking whoever they play out of playoff contention. And thats my SB.
I am not happy about losing but I wont let it rent space in my head.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:13 am
KIFFIN is not the prob.I am so sick of Al. Lets fire KIff and bring in someone who doesn’t want this mess and can’t hire his own staff-that makes sense. Its a revolving door. Someone start a petition to get Al out, or Ill be back on board when Al passes on. This is just comedy, i mean seriously, you have to laugh when u watch this dysfunctional team, up and down the board. we are a joke. u think the players like it in Oak. Theres no passion for them to play. K.C. will “run” all over us today. we don’t have the guts!!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Oh yeah, all the ESPN stories about the rift between Al & Kiffin are all mediaiot conspiracies. Yeah, yeah, I feel better now.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:20 am
You a bay guy also Kell? Luckily living down here in SoCal, I get a good mixture of truth mixed in on the local radio along with ESPN crap… I would imagine the amount of falsehoods running rampant in the Bay area are worse though.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Jerry said
“The across-the-board failure in Week 1, which took place in front of the team’s new investors, may have sped up the process.”
Nice hatchet job, scary
The investers got to see the future of the offense
and that looked very bright.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Where there is smoke there is fire. Al has been preparing for this every since he brought Lofton in. Look at it this way. If he fires Kiffin and they go on to be 8-8 he takes the credit, if they suck and we get the #1 overall pick again he blames Kiffin.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:24 am
I live in Alameda. I can see the goalposts of the facility from my front porch.
And everybody at the barber shop thinks Al Davis should go sit down somewhere
September 14th, 2008 at 7:25 am
From Scott Ostler:
Due to an electrician’s error last Sunday, the Raiders’ defensive helmet radio receiver was patched into the order-taker’s radio transmission from the In-N-Out Burger just across 880.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Who wants to bet that Kiffin goes to SD or KC or Denver and haunts Al Davis until his dying day. God I hope that doesn’t happen, but it seems likely enough. Al Davis is a flippin moron. If he fires Kiffin I’m not going to anther game all year, I’ll just watch from home.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Silver&BlackBleeder
yeah I read that garbage I hope it isn’t true! Mort dont know isht from shineola..
but I fear he may be rite on this 1 AL is a stubborn old fool! Hes my guy and all but he should have just paid chucky instead of putting us thru this BS! anyway enjoy the pre game fix
September 14th, 2008 at 7:29 am
post 322 408 thanks 4 the link!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Wassp Nation! Bless you Coach Kiffin for opening a PUBLIC window into the mess that Ol’ Wrinkled has formed around my once proud Raiders. Anyone here that chooses to forget the string of one-years firings (which launched the Shanahan curse), the Bed & Breakfast O, the schaolarship player years (which Kiffin had the BALLS to challenge and put an end to), the fake pass-D stats (because teams just chose to ram the ball down our throats), etc., ect., etc.
ALL OF THAT falls squarely on Ol’ Wrinkled’s walker, er shoulders! No owner in the league does this kind of insane sh!t in ONE season, let alone CONTINUOUSLY. For all of you “Kiffin just shut up and coach” raideraide drinkers, obviously he’s tried to just coach. This guy has helped this franchise out IMMENSELY with his brave, no fearless, expose of the megolomaniac’s insane meddlings. Best of luck in your next, NORMAL, workplace Kiff!!!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Does anyone think that this situation, no matter who is the head coach, will ever get better? As long as we have yes men for coaches that kiss up to Al things will remain the same. I mean seriously we are the joke of the nfl. Al Davis has been a maverick to the game of football but his refusal to change and adapt to the new nfl is what will keep us from ever getting back to respectability. And Rob Ryan needs to be gone right along with the head coach if changes must be made. His scheme is outdated or he is just as Lane put it “conspiring with the owner” and it’s Al’s scheme and not Ryan’s. I hate seeing the raiders be the sorriest team in the nfl,but the raiders get back to respectabilty one of two ways: either Al DAvis’ philosophy changes(changes scheme and hires a GM) or he passes away and things have to change. Which do you think will happen first? I think we all know the answer to that question.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Al is God.
Frat Boy is a Fraud.
Just Win Baby.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Al Davis need some meds and settle down. Let the kid coach and win some games. LOL.. the Raiders don’t have any stability firing coaches every single year. I hope the kid stay and win some games. I like Kiffin play calling.. he mixes things up. It’s different than what the past coaches instigate in the offense.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Leftcoast Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Does anyone think that this situation, no matter who is the head coach, will ever get better?
As long as Al Davis is involved -NO!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:40 am
When Charles Woodson rose up, and made a heroic play, out of no way, and forced that Brady fumble. I thought, he’s a true legendary Raider. Al Davis thought otherwise. Sorry Al, you’re the only true Raider
September 14th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Who wants to bet that Kiffin goes to SD or KC or Denver and haunts Al Davis until his dying day. God I hope that doesn’t happen, but it seems likely enough.
I’ll take that bet. The Frat Boy doesn’t scare me.
Just Win Baby.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:44 am
It’s not Ryan’s scheme!!!!!!!!!!
Btw, If Rob Ryan can’t coach defense, he would be the ONLY Ryan who can’t. Not likely.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:47 am
Kell, everybody at the barbershop is right! It’s a sad day 4 the nation ’cause Al is only gonna throw Lofton or Rathman in the top spot, and they’re gonna try to be so loyal to Al it’ll be to a fault, and the next thing you know, we’re takin’ 8 step drop backs again.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Lane will not haunt us. He will be lucky to get a decent college job.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:49 am
S&B Bleeder Post 345 – D@mn good point, my man!!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Rob Ryan defense have no discipline. The roughing penalties isn’t Kiffin fault. The CBs got burned by an unknown rookie costing the Raiders points. I cannot believe Ryan is a former Bears DC! The Bears shut out offenses like nobody business. Ryan is a fraud.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:50 am
0 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 52 seconds left until the Oakland Raiders visits the Kansas City Chiefs.
WE WILL WIN TODAY!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Just over two hours!!!!
Scary, start blogging, dam it!!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 7:51 am
I can’t wait to go back the late 80’s Marc Wilson 2 runs and incomplete offense.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:51 am
How you doing this cold morning Adrews Mom?
September 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Philly Raider, you are right about that, and I’ve been feeling the same way. Kiffin’s constant out in the open arguing actually is helping us, ’cause it’s casting a big stage light on the franchise. The only good thing about last week’s loss was the fact that more people on t.v. started talking about Al and his senile behind. Usually I’m against this and I think the media is just trying to ruin us even more, but it’s important to keep a focus on what Al is doing and how he is constantly f’ing up. The only way he’ll see he is in the wrong is if someone stops kissing his behind and tells it like it is instead of saying it behind closed doors.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Of course there’s no dicipline. The Raiders haven’t been able to master the snap count either in 20 years.
Players don’t respond to emasculated coaches.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:55 am
We’d gotta give KC a dose Bush up the middle. DMC and Fargas cannot get it done up the middle. Let’s see some fly patterns to Lelie and Walker. I cannot believe the speed we’d have at WR and NOT using it! Let’s stretch the field for the run and bombs away. Russell can throw deep with accuracy. I like Russell style of attacking the field with the medium and deep passes.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Kiff might be the first coach to make Al really look in the mirror. Even if Al fires him, he has to take a serious look at his franchise from outside the box and see that the young man had some logic to all his press conference outbursts. I mean, at first, I didn’t know what Kiff was doing with all that out in the open venting, but if anything he is helping us in a demented way.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:56 am
todays the day to the rest of our F’d up season. fireing kiffin will only screw thing up 10 fold.THANX AL MUTHA F&%#$@! DAVIS, YOU OLD PRICK.
September 14th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Is the sky still falling?
September 14th, 2008 at 7:57 am
Right S&B! BTW, Oaktown Post 348, I DO believe Rob Ryan CAN be an effective DC. He HAS proven before. However, what Kiffin has exposed is Ryan DOESN’T run his own defensive philosophy. Exactly like where the the B & B offense came from!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 7:59 am
#356
I agree, Kiffin did us all a great favor.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Is Kiffin really arguing? My take is he is simply being matter of fact about a very dysfunctional situation. I never understood the whole ‘Veil of Secrecy’ Al Davis keeps. Maybe it could be justified if we were consistently winning the division and were the undisputed best team over the last 20 years. But we are not. Nobody wants to know what we are doing because we are struggling just to be mediocre. Look at the ‘Hard Knocks’ show on HBO. There isn’t anything there that nobody doesn’t already know. In the end it’s just football x’s and o’s not WMD’s.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
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# RaiderMight Says:
September 14th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Is the sky still falling?
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sadly yes it is but this @ss woopin we’re
bout to put on the chefs will help me have a great day
September 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Man all this crap makes me not even want to go to my bar and watch the game. Al needs to be fired. The NFL needs yo step in and mediate this crap of organization that the Raiders have become. The only tem in pro-sports worse off than the Raiders are the horrible NY Knicks. Al Davis, please step down immediately. Kudos to Kiffin for having balls and speaking his mind! Kiffin is going to be a quality coach somewhere, someday for an owner or school who will let him do his job. Al your simply PATHETIC!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:03 am
….I had a dream last night…I found myself in a dank dungeon. The only object in the room was a T.V., although on, was displaying only static. Suddenly, a picture appeared with this disclaimer, “The following message is being brought to you by the N.F.L. Emergency Broadcast System”…In the message,The Raider’s HQ and subsiquent address had changed to 1313 Mockingbird Lane, home of … “The Munsters”. This new not-for-prime -time-reality show would star:
Rob Ryan as Herman Munster…”Darn,darn,darn,darn,darn…”
Al Davis as Grandpa
Lane Kiffin as Eddie Munster
Amy Trask as Lily Munster
Sarah Palin as Marilyn
( I understand that in the first episode,a petchulant Eddie goads “Spot” into attacking Grandpa….).
September 14th, 2008 at 8:03 am
This franchise cannot move forward as long as a senile, wheelchair-bound, 79-year-old man with a drool wipe, is running the franchise.
In the corporate world, what happens when no one wants to work for the boss? You fire the boss, or you watch as the boss sinks with the ship.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Re the Cockran article:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10458917?source=rss
Nothing typifies the abject state of this franchise more than the Davis brown-noses briefing against Kiffin without the guts to face the public.
I am also hacked off with so-called Journalists like McDonald and Cockran who act as the patsies for Davis’s sycophants. We all know that ‘front office sources’ means John ‘I love the taste of your shoe-polish, Mr Davis’ Herrera. But Cockran and McDonald play the charade of “several front-office people, who spoke on condition of anonymity”. Just pathetic.
This franchise is rotton to the core. And that includes the second-rate MNG hacks who don’t have the personal integrity to hold anybody inside Alameda to account.
The sooner this franchise changes hands and moves to a city and a press-corp that deserves it, the better.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Oaktown good call, where was Bush last week? We gotta use this kid. He’s a power runner with the ability to take it to the house. Give Fargas less carries, he’s one dimensional.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Just attack! We’d might get an upset win today. The offense gotta attack and put up the points. The Raiders cannot get behind all the time before half time. This is a must win game against KC to save Kiffin’s job!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
post 345 Silver&BlackBleeder You just may have hit the bull’s eye on the stament of going back 2 8 step drops: I think it would be worth checking out 2 see Jmac drop back 8 and RIFLE that Rock
September 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
If Kiffin is let go…I’ll bet anything he becomes Denver’s “assistant OC” until end of the year.. which he becomes assistant or coach and shanahan becomes GM.
bets??
September 14th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Post 364, FUNNY sh!t!! lol!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:07 am
sorry..
which he becomes OC or HEad coach after season ends. (not assistant or coach)
September 14th, 2008 at 8:08 am
just drink baby
September 14th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Just because his daddy and twin are good defensive coaches doesnt mean Ryan is also. but i have to agree KK it is more likely that he is a good defensive coach and its just that raider philosophy of line em up and our guy will beat your guy. That is Classic Al Davis old school train of thought. unfortunately for us the game has evolved and Al Davis hasnt
September 14th, 2008 at 8:09 am
we have to hit Al in the pocket book!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Al is the problem. He’s been the problem. Remember before he hired shell he couldn’t find a coach for a very long time. This very very sad, and the franchise has hit rock bottom. Al owns the team, it’s his decisions that are breaking the team apart. I mean, a coach can’t make decisions of his coordinators?? Ridiculous, only in Raider land. Basically Kiffin is the O-coordinator – and that is it. I’m more concerned with the long term impact to JRussell and Macfadden…Sad very Sad.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Bush prove he can get the inside yardages. Give KC a dose of Bush up the middle, DMC pitch outs to the outside and Fargas spells out DMC. We’d get it done, Russell gotta take chances throwing deep to Lelie and Walker. Just attack and stretch the field for the ground game! Raiders football baby!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:10 am
I mean we are talking about a guy that can throw it on his knees 80 yards.Jmac could end up being the maddest bomber of all,if they let him
September 14th, 2008 at 8:11 am
and futher more we cant pass block
September 14th, 2008 at 8:12 am
WTF
ksfo is breaking my balls! I cant get my pregame fix to work! bad omen
September 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am
WTF
September 14th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Football economics say, despite the Raiders sucking for so long they have been profitable because there is a very established customer base that will spend money on this team (us). The P/L may look red this year after Al’s spending spree. This might motivate the other investors to finally do something about it. Force a hostile take over and insert a normal business structure associated with other successful franchises.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Call me a pessimist, but I have a bad feeling about today’s game. Henderson starting at LT, Kiffin on the ropes and Ryan possibly our next Head Coach. I see us losing this game like 17-7 or 14-3. The odds are against us. What turmoil this season has already become. There is no way in hell I’m going to the Miami game this year and wasting my money and getting heckled by *ussy ass Dol-Fans.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Sup Nation!
Today we deliver a blow that will be heard around the NFL!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Whitted ain’t on the roster dropping the deep passes. Lelie and Walker will snatch the medium and deep passes all day. Russell can deliver!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Shame on you I Dress in Black, posting a LOGICAL solution to this madness is verbotten!! lol!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Last week I was 8 – 8 against the spread. Not bad for opening week. I have adjusted my poll based on the almighty formula and have made my predictions. Last week, my biggest differences vs. Vegas were Cleveland, NE and Oakland. Looks like Vegas knows what they are doing!
Tenn at Cin Tenn by 3
Buff at Jack Jack by 9
Oak at Kan KC by 5
Ind at Minn Minn by 1
Chic at Car Car even
GB at Det GB by 8
NYG at St.L NY by 11
NO at Wash Wash by 3
Atl at TB TB by 7
SF at Sea Sea by 7
NE at NYJ NE by 7
SD at Den Den by 1
Mia at Ariz Ariz by 11
Pitt at Cle Cle even
Phil at Dal Dall by 7
Biggest differences this week against the Vegas spread:
NE by 7 (Vegas = pick em)
GB by 8 (Vegas = GB by 3)
Ariz by 11 (Vegas = Ariz by 6.5)
Cle even (Vegas = Pitt by 6.5)
Again, I go strictly by the formula. I do not agree with all of the picks (Oakland must win!) but the formula rules.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Morning Dirty!
super mario better protect Jamarcus!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Man, I’ve been a Raider fan my whole life. From growing up as a kid in CT, to moving to KY and going to school, to this point now, and I’m currently living in Oxnard in SoCal. I’ve been to several road games when I was living in Louisville (Colts, Rams, Titans) over the years, and can’t wait to finally make it to a Raiders home game and go thru that experience. My question for ya’ll Bay area cats is does anyone ever come to the games with “Give it up Al: Just Quit baby” signs? Or do people have too much of a respect for what he’s done in the past to do that at a game as a fan of the squad? I promise if Al would see that more often, he’d have to seriously think about what he’s doing. Whenever I watch the home games on T.V., people always hold up the “Fire Kiffin” signs and Al probably thinks he’s doing a good job and it is all on the coach. Us as fans need to really let the guy know, or do we alreay do that at the games? Somebody fill me in whose a regular please…
September 14th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Im getting only the commercials on the link 408
September 14th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Boomer talking about us on BSPN!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:21 am
If anything, holding up “Give it up Al: Just Quit Baby” signs would make the new investors see how we really feel, or do they know? How on Earth could they think Al is doing a good job?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:22 am
408
He better do something! 3rd rounder waisting roster space.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:23 am
4 eva it will come on but my lame as$ mac wont load the player I even installed a patch thingy so I can do WMP Ufck!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Also, Al should’ve just honored his contract with Shanahan. Al, was it worth 200,000. Mismanagement.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:24 am
silver&blackbleeder. Holy crap! i went from ct, to ILL, to MO! Where are you from in CT?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Can’t wait till that senile idiot is gone. Just go away baby! What sort of stupidity will Al engage in next? What a loser. Can’t wait till he is gone!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Why don’t more of the national talking heads bash Al Davis?? No one calls it how they see it.. Everyone is afraid of the old man. Kiffin has big balls, calls it how he sees it, and is committed to win. Period. Al Davis is not committed to win. He’s committed to doing it his way. Stubborn and old. The best years have passed Al Davis. No GM, Al Davis signs off on everything. Al Davis picks his players. Trade a 2nd rounder for an overrated corner. Lots of $ for overrated D tackles. the Coach can’t select his staff. Al Davis signs Lofton as coach. Al Davis says no you can’t fire the D coach… If you recall Gruden wanted to fire the D coordinator back in the day too but Al Davis said No… Sad. Same thing being repeated. Kiffin is a good, direct, and solid coach. He wants to win. Al Davis just wants to do it his own way. Al Davis needs to always have someone he’s arguing with. When will it end?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:26 am
getting ready to go to Hooters. my first year in 10 w/o having the ticket!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Oh sorry Philly i got sidetracked.. Let me restate that, We are going to go 15-1 with Lofton at the helm. D-Mac will rush for over 2200 yards and Russell will be the first person ever to inducted to the HOF in only his second year.
All hail Al Davis
September 14th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I hope the donkeys and the chokers kill each other today!
Yo dirty I’m going up against Thec today in FF that guys roster is stacked.. =/
September 14th, 2008 at 8:29 am
New investors. Sounds like it will be Kiffins last game. Too bad they don’t put a majority of the stock up so A.D. can be canned also. I would love to see Tom Flores be the new “Manager of the General Partner” or whatever BS title A.D. is using these days. Only then will the bleeding stop. Kenny King was right on “I’m out” until this corporation starts putting out a product that I at least don’t have to be ashamed of.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 am
awwwww shiiiit 408 408 408
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 am
too late to go 15-1 (played 2 games by the time he takes over)
13-0?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Head’n down to the local sports bar to watch the game.
This is a must win game if I have ever saw one. Come on Ryan….stop being stubborn and give us a game plan to win…Kiffin, let’s see the offense move the ball…
Davis–Just sit there…I don’t care what the outcome is, just sit there. No firings, no manifesto, no leaking to the media. When we win, just stop and enjoy it…Lawd knows we haven’t had too many chances to enjoy much around here. And by the way, if Davis fires Kiffin after a freekn win in WEEK 2, then the NATION COLLECTIVE can add another member to the ranks
September 14th, 2008 at 8:30 am
hahahha
14-0!
13-1?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
I’m pulling for the Players today. Just Win baby! Good Luck/out.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
408
He drafted like a guru… This is fantasy… any given sunday GOODLUCK! He wooped my a$$ last week!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Post #366- Scottish You are the man! I agree with you whole-heartedly. The team needs to be taken out back, burned as moth infested trash and started all over in another city with new owners, press core etc…. We fans living nearby lose out somewhat because they might move somewhere far enough to make it finacially impossible to follow. But I am a RAIDER fan not an OAKLAND fan. Wherever they play I will be a fan, just get rid of the old man. He smells…….
September 14th, 2008 at 8:31 am
408 408 yeah
September 14th, 2008 at 8:32 am
POST 400 – LMAO!!!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Good morning my dear friends,…sadly, I see no reason to make any change to my early week prediction,…outside chance that due to weather it might not reach the level of a blowout as predicted….enjoy Lanes last game fellas,…if you think you will be happy with his firing, it will be nothing compared to his joy.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Hmmm, very interesting Jerry seems to be backing Al. When did that turn around happen?
Can someone tell me what has happened to Michael Bush?
If Kiff gets canned, we will have a version of Shell 3 regime in Lofton/Ryan/Knapp three headed monster. You know don’t laugh but they need someone like Marty to come in here and teach football hardnosed. I never thought I say that.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Jim, I was born in New Haven. Elm City boy
September 14th, 2008 at 8:34 am
JaMarcus and McFadden must be wondering, “How do I get out of this?”
Al Davis, it’s time to go! Don’t let the door hit you in the back of the wheelchair on your way out. You are a detriment to everything and everyone that is involved with the franchise, from the players to the fans.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Well, at least we shouldn’t be out coached. Herm couldn’t out coach …………..well,………….Kiffin.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
The nightmare continues. No team can have success when it changes head coaches every year. If Al Davis just wants a yes man as his head coach, why the hell doesn’t he just coach the team himself.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
How can anyone have any respect whatsoever for a loser like Al Davis? He is such a pathetic joke that people are no longer laughing at the Raiders, they actually feel sympathy and just shake their heads when the Raiders are brought up. More importantly, he obviously does not know how to run a business as he is running the team into the ground.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:36 am
ufk! 410 is lame!
Dirty u b@stard! yeah looks like Im starting out o-2 its all good tho I shoulda stuck around for the draft but this princess of mine comes first! Mija harshed my FF buzz… LOL
September 14th, 2008 at 8:38 am
SBB; i was born in watertown but moved to Meriden. Right up 91 from you.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:40 am
408
You have a good team u will do fine.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Ok Im getting pumped!
RRRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEERRRS!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Al Davis must be going crazy. And I don’t mean that flippantly or disrespectfully.
He sat there and watched that same pile of excrement defensive performance that all of us saw last week, yet SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY, Rob Ryan’s job is secure! After five years of the same crap on defense, Rob Ryan’s job is secure!
Whether you like Kiffin’s attitude or not, Kiffin has been the only bright spot on this football team. He brought in Knapp and Cable, who turned us into one of the best rushing teams in the league last year, and cut our league leading sack total in 2006 by almost half.
He tried to create a new atmosphere of not using the refs as an excuse for failure, but just going out an executing with the team concept of “I’m In.”
What the hell has Rob Ryan done to improve this team! Give up 41 points at home in front of the whole country on a nationally televised game! Yet somehow, someway, his job is secure.
I’m so sick of this crap. I love the Raiders, and will always root for the players on the field. But this state of affairs is sick and disgusting. It is time for Al Davis to go. Period.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Just now on BSPN, the group posed the question, “Who’s most on the hotseat, Kifin, Linehan, Lewis?” Nearly all chose Kiffen. Ditka said Kiff definately doesn’t want to be here anymore. Carter said, “Who wants to coach under Al Davis?!”
Earlier with just Boomer and Mort, Mort said he believes Kiff will be another Shanahan (whom Kiff has outfoxed previuosly and is 1-2 against in just two years with ZERO support).
Point is, seems even the mediots know what the Raiders REAL issue is. BTW, Jerry is not going to go after Al in his blog and to think he would is CRAZY!! The guys family has to eat!!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:46 am
This game will either be a blowout loss or close win. It will not be a convincing victory because Kiffin does not run a high powered passing attack. It is a grind it out, low scoring offense with little punch due to NO OFFENSIVE LINE.
Kiffin will be gone this week.
Al Davis will hire Lofton or Fassel as the next HC. This organization is a JOKE.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Kush, last 3 posts ALL right on target bro!!!
“Al’s will be done…”
September 14th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Good Luck Coach Kiffen whereever you may go. Thanks for standing up and telling it like it was.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Jim Fassel is desperate enough to take this job.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Al is the owner. His job is to hire competent people on defense and offense, and then LET THEM DO THE JOB THEY WERE HIRED TO DO. Period.
Emperor Al Davis is acting that tiny little dictator from North Korea who walks around with the stunna shades on all the time threatening to blow up anybody who opposes him with nuclear weapons.
If Al doesn’t trust his coaches to do their jobs, why the hell doesn’t he just do it himself. Period. Because he wants to have someone else to blame when things fail, that’s why.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:51 am
I’m ok with Kiffin being fired. But i’m still “in”, and I still want to kick KC’s asssssss today.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Kush you are absolutely clueless if you think Ryans job is secure. It’s anything but that.
The difference between Ryan and loudmouth Kiffin is Ryan gives a damn. Now he needs fix his side of the ball or else he will follow Kiffin.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Jim – The Bridgeport Ferry still in operation?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:53 am
WTF I still cant get my pre game fix!
4eva I need details bro come on spill the beans!
September 14th, 2008 at 8:55 am
All of this started because Kiffin wanted a college job. Al Davis would not let Ryan go because he was scared Kiffin would leave for the NCAA. This gave Kiffin the excuse he needed to act like a child and throw a tantrum. Al put the clamps down and decided to do things his way again (which is never a good thing!). Now everything is messed up.
Can’t really blame Kiffin though. I think he understood half way through last year that he had made a mistake leaving USC.
Al Davis is like any of us. He LIKES having friends working for him. Only problem is none of Al’s friends have any talent.
If Fassel is a friend of Davis, maybe there will be enough trust there to allow him some freedom.
If Lofton is hired, expect more losing.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Well Ryan seems to think he’s allowed to do his joband so do you because you keep saying he’s a lousy coach.
Kiffin has yet to say that Davis wont let him COACH. He says he wont let him make personnel decisions (a big difference between the two).
September 14th, 2008 at 8:57 am
You know the tell on Kiffin as viewed by Shanahan last game they opened up with trickery. I wonder if ole rat face was nervous about being out matched?
September 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Raaaaaaaaaiiiiiideeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrs
September 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Given some of the discussion regarding defense and blitzing and Ryan and Davis etc:
The Raider front four must be able to bring pressure in order for a blitz to be effective. Only then are you somewhat assured of the blitz really disrupting the play. On Monday night our front four was getting manhandled. What Ryan said is true, if you blitz the Broncos the odds are they pick it up and make a big play.
Today the Chefs line is not as good as Denver’s. We may blitz more and it may work TODAY.
The key is how does our front four match with the opponents Oline.
Our problem has been and will continue to be that our defensive line is weak. We need to build it starting with next year’s draft.
Until then we will continue to get ripped by good offensive lines.
September 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Black Hole Priest, I hope you’re right. I honestly hope that you are right and I am completely wrong.
As much money as Al Davis threw around last offseason, why did he care whether or not Rob Ryan was at the end of his contract or not, when Kiffin wanted to fire him?
I know you’re not a fan of Kiffin, you make that clear all the time. But the fact remains, Kiffin showed IMPROVEMENT on his side of things last season. Rob Ryan gave up 6 4th QUARTER LEADS LAST SEASON.
That translates from 10-6, which should have been our record last year with a trip to the playoffs, to 4-12 which placed us at the bottom of the division yet again.
You tell me BHP, as much money as Al Davis spent last year, and with his so-called “commitment to excellence”, and “just win baby slogans”,
why wasn’t Rob Ryan fired last year???
September 14th, 2008 at 9:00 am
That’s why Ryan was ready to bolt to the Jet’s in two seconds, right BHP.
Your getting old
September 14th, 2008 at 9:00 am
If Rob Ryan truely loved and respected the RAIDERS 4 everything they have stood 4 since their inception to the NFL he would release himself
September 14th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Then why are all his friends working in the NFL?
One of his best friends is owner of the most talented team in the NFL. And he is very fond of Rathman and Knapp some writers say.
Some of you have about as much common sense as a slug. “none of his friends have any talent” who did you get that from some little girl. Have an opinin that at least makes some sense.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:01 am
If they had a decent WR the offense would be much better. Where is Boldin?
September 14th, 2008 at 9:01 am
No one is getting fired this week! Maybe by the bye week. You heard it here!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Kid Lane standing up and telling like it is? Hmmmm, not so sure Kiffie really knows what is going on. His words to the effect that coaches don’t last long around Big Al, well kid, 90+% of head coaches don’t last long in any NFL organization. Players don’t last long, hell even stadiums don’t last long.
My guess is if Kid Kiff had been a tad less petulant toward Al Davis he would’ve found a long leash over time. As it has been he wanted, without any experience or resume as an HC anywhere at any level to be given free reign over all decisions. Kid Lane didn’t deserve that immediate respect from Al, so instead of learning at the feet of a legend he decided to go balls to the wall in a power play. Result, instead of a long leash he received just enough rope. Won’t bother me when he is axed.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Only he can honestly answer that Kush I don’t know but Kiffin hadn’t done enough himself to real warrant making that decision. He has to win first.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Ryan is a good coach, but it’s obvious he is handcuffed. Can you imagine the Pats not blitzing on a cruicial 3rd down or his father? It’s obvious the influence Davis has on him.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:04 am
anybody aware of a tv station the does live internet broadcasting ???
if you know what i mean …
September 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
News flash, Al IS THE PROBLEM AND HE”S NOT GOING AWAY!!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
A fish rots from the head down. It’s hard to defend an owner when the team has performed so horrendous for the past 6 years. When you’ve had 5 coaches in 7 years, or whatever the amount is, you have to figure it’s the person making the hiring decisions.
Like Alex Smith having 4 offensive coordinators in four years, it’s hard to have consistency when change happens every year.
On a political note- Go Obama! Many similiarities between McCain and Al Davis: you can’t reinvent yourself when you are so set in your ways-something about old dog and new tricks.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
408 i cant get the link????????????????????
September 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
If you recall, Ryan got up on the podium, and gave one of his “Blame me, our players are great, everything’s ok, we just had a bad day, bullcrap speeches last year as well.
He does it every year, because he has SUCKED for five years. He is the self proclaimed “Head coach of the defense.”
So if our defense has sucked for five straight years, yet Ryan is the “head coach of it” then WHY IS HE STILL HERE!
Because getting rid of him would make too much sense, and that’s not something that exists within the Raider organization right now starting with our Owner/GM/Talent Scout/Coach.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Charlie,
post 438 reads well, thanks.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:07 am
This past 5 Raider seasons are a great case study for NFL tems and corporations on how micromanagement, personal conflicts, and egotism can usurp individual talent and determination everytime. I have a prediction, Kiffin will be fired by the bye week only to resurface at some time in the near future as the offensive coordinator/assistant head coach/heir apparent to Shanrat and the dreaded Donkeys. His comments this week alone are the resume builders that will make him a lock for that job!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:07 am
IMO I think this kid realised last year that he ws in over his head, he was now dealing with MEN and not kids. He is trying to cover his ass by blaming everyone but himself.
Truth be told he sucked just a bad as Ryan last week but he gets no heat. He obviously doesn’t talk to Davis and is coaching the way he wishes then why isn’t HIS side of the ball productive?
No one addresses that and I wonder why?
September 14th, 2008 at 9:09 am
M, coaches come and go but to be a sucessful team you have to have some continuity. You can’t have 5 different coaches in 5 different years. It kills this season and next years if they change, but you can’t have a disfunctional situation either, so either way you are f..ked
If Al is really looking for someone to take the reigns, the best way to do so is without the old man looking over their shoulder, just do it. Get someone proven, get Marty for GM, hate his guts but respect the football man.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Rich Gannon is saying his opinion
September 14th, 2008 at 9:10 am
well I’m off 2 the bar I believe we will win,I hope they let Jmac drop back and let his athletic abilities rule the day.YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS IT’s ON GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Rich
was smirking when he mentioned Mario’s name. Ugh
September 14th, 2008 at 9:12 am
If Al Davis fires Kiffin, he’s gonna end up regretting it in a Mike Shanahan style.
Hopefully he won’t go to KC…facing Shanahan twice a year is already painful enough.
Al, there’s a position called General Manager. Hire one of those and let the team run on it’s own.
It’s time to let go…and watch from the skybox without picking up the phone.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Davis not wanting to give Kiffin free reign is not my problem. I understand that. But then it’s up to Davis since he’s the GM to step in and make wise, sound, football decisions.
It shouldn’t take Kiffin to have to step up and call out Ryan’s crappy performance over the past 5 years. Al should have made that call himself.
It shouldn’t take Kiffin to stand up and say, Hey Al we should get rid of Alvis Whitted, and all the rest of these “scholarship players”, who don’t produce on the football field. Al should have made those calls himself, long before Kiffin ever got here.
The fact that Al davis can’t see these things himself, and it required Lane Kiffin to butt heads with Al about it because he realized that our team cannot win as long as these things are in place, shows that Al Davis is not competent to do that aspect of the job.
He needs to sit back and OWN the team, that’s it. Then hire competent people to handle the various duties of a football team, and then trust them to do their jobs without constant interference. Period.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am
How can this team win with the work environment that has been created…from the top? Just the fact that I’m hoping for a win, not confident in one, is where we have landed. How many of us really BELIVE we will win today?
September 14th, 2008 at 9:15 am
When you are a coach of one of the 32 teams in the NFL, you should _expect_ that you form your own staff and have a major say in personal decisions. Obviously that doesn’t apply to the Raiders, where Al tries to hire HCs that he can promptly castrate.
Do you think Lane is speaking out in the media just because he is petulant and immature? No way, he wants out of his miserable contract he undoubtedly regrets signing. And why does he regret signing it? Because it turns out Al is a micromanaging loser with a crippling ego that will continue to plague the team until Al is gone. Who’d of thunk it?!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am
kiffie has demonstrated no talent since he has been here…
oh… that’s not true…
he does have a talent blaming everything on everyone else…
let him go, al…
this is one that will not come back to haunt us…
ps… denver, please pick him up if he is released… make him your head coach…
September 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Daniel So Cal,
having seen lots of rotting, actually the head is last to go, so I don’t see the analogy as apropos.
BHP,
glad you pointed out the O’s failings with regards to the Kid’s lack of accountability for that. I would like to see the training wheels come off of Mr Franchise Qb. Might as well go down swinging (and not by the rope Kid Lane has hung himself with).
Hobs Gnarly,
Marty??! Oh my God nooooooooooo.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am
sbb: yes he is. hahaha kidding. i believe so. I’ve never used it. My dumbass drives all the way around.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am
M, I’ve lst all respect that I had for the kid.
I think he is a very good coach but he’s in over his head. Some of the things he said in training camp were so puzzling, I’m thinking doesn’t this kid know cut downs are coming and he’ll have a chance to improve the roster. It was wierd what he was doing and it smacked of panic. I’m not sure he is confident that he can get it done at this level. So he’s forcing the inevitable.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:18 am
As much as I hate the gutless, spineless SOB that is Randy Moss, he called it two years ago when he said that there was something, “fishy going on in the Raiders organization.”
There definitely is. I mean WTF? Are Rob Ryan and Al Davis lovers or something. This crap is ridiculous.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:24 am
M, now you’ve touched on my pet peeve. This kid gloves treatment is confusing. No one wants to just throw Russell to the wolves but at the same time. Kiffin wasted valuable time last year when it was obvious we weren’t going anywhere. He sould have gotten him game ready as best he could. On the road in the snow. All the things he has to do to get ready for this season.
The training camp and preseason he hardly let the first team play together knowing they needed to get ready on defense and offense. And he didn’t get this team ready to play IMHO.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:24 am
kiffie terminated eight coaches from the raider staff right after he was hired…
he replaced those coaches with his own people…
he demonstrated serious weakness in his deciesion making process last season…
so why then would Al allow kiffie, who had been shopping for a better gig, to have any more control over anything ???
the biggest mistake al made this year was not firing kiffie when he first found out that kiffie was shopping his resume…
piss on kiffie… he doesn’t even wear silver and black… let alone bleed silver and black…
September 14th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Florida Pete,
I can remember last January when this blog site was all stirred up about Kid Kiff’s potential demise. You didn’t see that it as that big of a deal to keep him then (nor did I), just as you have expressed now. Kid never earned even a portion of the millions he has made from the organization by any stretch. Don’t let the door hit you etc. etc…
September 14th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Rob Ryan might as well have been on his knees in front of Al’s wheel chair instead of that podium this past week. That is the sort of dysfunctional transparent boot-licking (and I’m being kind) required to remain a member of the Raider organization.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Kush why Ryan is still here? is a good question especially after Monday Night. He really lst me with that performance and he needs to get it fixed, that’s assuming that he is capable.
I like Ryan but perfrmance comes first and we haven’t performed in some time and there’s no rope left.
The noose is around his neck and the rope very tight.
Get it done or goodbye………….period.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am
BHP,
you are so right on with the notes from last season. Yes, no need to get Mr Russell killed, but as “Nowheresville” was the name of the team train last year not putting JaMarcus out there was a waste.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:33 am
I think that we may not be seeing the big picture here: If Big Al gets id of Kiffin now, we are in the drivers seat to bring in: A.Bill Cowher; B. Pete Carroll. Big Al may already have the jet on the tarmc waiting to bring the SC staff up to take over after the bye week!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Well looks like everyone is getting clarity now with respect to this whole situation. CBS analyst just blasted Davis publicly.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:41 am
How can you blame Ryan? Despite what he may have said on Thursday, Al’s the one calling the shots, Al’s the one who insists on running that ridiculous, ‘let’s rush the same four guys every time’ defense. It might have worked in 1983, but it sure as heck won’t these days. Even Lester Hayes said that if they’d had today’s rules back when he played, they couldn’t have gotten away with what they did.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:44 am
No one is gonna come coach the Raiders that has any experience, no one period. Unless Al is gone.
Yes M, Marty he knows players
September 14th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Ditka is being kind and blaming the dysfunction on penalties.
September 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am
You think I like saying Marty? I want the Raiders to win and who is out there as a GM that can have an instant impact? Marty
September 14th, 2008 at 9:46 am
To have a respectable season they must.
1. Keep the kiff
2. get a WR (Boldin) at all costs
3. Let Ryan coach without imput from Davis
September 14th, 2008 at 9:54 am
To have a winning season, all the above plus
1. Al retires
2. Hire a real GM
3. Clean house. Front office and scouts
September 14th, 2008 at 10:07 am
All this is on Al Davis. He will not hire a real coach and he want to control everything. Al for the Raiders stop what your doing, hire a coach and stop trying to control everything.
September 14th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Guys – I have been a RAIDERS FAN for over 35 years and this is as bad as it gets. We are 19 – 62 since the Super Bowl. Can you see AL DAVIS needs to go and we know he is not going anywhere. I have loved this team for DECADES and quite frankly it is embarrassing to even watch them these days. I mean who threatens to FIRE their head coach after GAME 1 ??? Everyone this is SAD . No NFL coach with any dignity would even take this job and become AL’s PUPPET .
September 14th, 2008 at 10:12 am
OMG….>RR is calling like his job is on the line………..
September 14th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Wind aided or not. 56 yds. WooHoo!
September 14th, 2008 at 10:20 am
is justin tv broadcasting the gm
September 14th, 2008 at 10:21 am
where cn i find the gm online
September 14th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
300 yards on the ground. My most excellent scenario. And I liked that JM had a chance to pass the ball around even if he was ineffective. Woo Hoo!!!!
September 14th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Ok great game, Lane was right Raiders can only run ball, big surprise. Kiffin is not the problem, Al Davis, draft busts (Robert Gallery), No blitz defenses (again Mr Davis) is the problem. Davis is a former brilliant legend that the game has left behind, but won’t let go. I have a feeling his stubborness will lose a potential good coach that will kick our butts later. Ex: Shannahan constant thorn, John “Chuckie” Gruden kicks our buts in superbowl, probably the fans most popular coach since Madden for good reason. Give Kiffin a chance and let Ryan cut lose on defense and this team can instantly be respectable even with sorry receivers. We have the backs and defense talent to win, just blitz babie
September 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
A wins a win but all we do now is prolong the drama, its only a matter of time before Kiffin gets the axe and we as fans are back to square one. Even thru all this bull**** it was nice to see the Raiders win a game even if the passing game was a little suspect today….On to Buffalo with or without our coach….(geesh)
September 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
I’ve stuck with the Raiders through the good and the bad, but if Al fires lane, that’ll pretty much be it for me.
Mr Davis needs to take responsibility for his own actions, and realize that he’s the sole reason for the us being the laughing stock of the NFL for the last 6 years. He can’t see talent when it hits him in the face (see draft history), and even when it does (Lan Kiffin).
He needs to let go of control, and realize the game has past him.
September 15th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Ok two GAMES two radically different results. Before the season some had San Diego as potential Superbowl Champs…. Denver spank them 9ok not a true spanking 1 point win)
But WHAT if Denver are that GOOD….the result on Monday does and can be looked at differently!
Other GAME….we spank KC in KC at home after THEY have a not bad week versus the Pats!!
What to make of the Raiders! Is the sky falling or is it somewhere in between.
Onto Buffalo….for the collection of more evidence before the final verdict!!
September 15th, 2008 at 5:41 am
I just bought the coolest shirt at this site on myspace. I am soooo sick of davis’s shlt. If he does can kiff I am gonna split. It say’s keep kiffin fire al. I got a bumper sticker too. If everyone had one maybe it would help. It is helping me. myspace.com/keepkiffinfireal
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