Russell content handing off _ for now
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, September 18th, 2008 at 6:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Thursday’s media window and locker room availability, with quotes relayed from Medianews beat writer Steve Corkran:
– Interesting take from Bills quarterback Trent Edwards Wednesday about the philosophy of playing it safe and avoiding turnovers, comparing his own experience to what JaMarcus Russell is going through this season.
“There’s a fine line you have to walk to know when to check the ball down and when to take chances, too,’’ Edwards said. “It’s kind of an instinctive thing you’ve got to have. A coach can tell you not to turn the ball over but you have to take your shots or you’re not going to put points on the board.’’
Russell, as cool as ever, said he is content to execute Lane Kiffin’s plan of being better safe than sorry. Russell has drawn raves from the coach, even during a 1-for-12 streak against the Chiefs, because he used his strong arm to throw the ball out of bounds rather than run the risk of a turnover.
“That last game or any game, control the ball and not give it away and give them a free chance to do whatever they want to with the ball, then you’re going to be pretty good,” Russell said. “I was just going out there, if it wasn’t there, check it down or throw it away. That’s basically what we go through throughout the year. We did that in camp so that’s basically what I try to go out there and do.”
Russell didn’t deny a part of him that would like to throw more often.
“Deep down inside yes. But the team player part of me says whatever it takes to win,” Russell said. “If I have to go out there and hand off 100 times in a game and we win, I’ll hand off 101 times. No matter what it is to win that game I’m going to be that team player and go out there and help out.”
— Herm Edwards once said, “You play to win the game!,” in an infamous postgame tirade which will some day be a beer commercial once he’s retired. Here is how Kiffin explained it: “I was talking to (Russell) between series, `Don’t take any risks. We don’t care about stats. We want to win the game.’ . . . as you had the momentum and you had the game, the thing you couldn’t do was turn the ball over, and he did a good job.”
Kiffin said in a different situation, Russell may need to reverse field and go for a big play, depending on the circumstance. It just happened that Sunday in Arrowhead Stadium wasn’t one of those times.”
– Running back Darren McFadden has been practicing with a steel plate in his shoe and concedes his turf toe injury is bothersome.
“You think you see a guy with turf toe, ‘Oh, it’s just a toe, he can go with it,’ ” McFadden said. “Once you get it, you understand why because every move that you make on it, it all revolves around your toe, and it’s pretty painful.”
Charles Woodson needed pain-killing injections every week to get through the 2001 season, missing practice every day and playing on Sunday.
McFadden said he wasn’t sure if he would need to take a shot. He said he was timid running on it at first but that the pain seemed manageable.
As far as running with a steel plate in his right shoe, McFadden said, “It made me feel like I was running flat-footed. I feel like once I get used to practicing with that, playing with that, I’ll be all right.”
– While discussing turf toe, the possiblility of injections and all the practices Woodson missed in 2001, Kiffin said, “I thought Woodson didn’t practice anyway, the stories I heard. I don’t think it had anything to do with his toe.”
– Sounds as if Justin Fargas, who almost certainly won’t play against Buffalo, doesn’t stand much of a chance of being Wally Pipped even if McFadden and Bush burst to the forefront with games similar to the ones they had in Kansas City.
Not as long as Kiffin is around, anyway.
“We’ll be on the safe side with Justin. That does hurt us in a number of things because he is the one veteran back that understands our protections the most,” Kiffin said. “To me he’s kind of the heartbeat of our offense by who he is. If you can be in our locker room before games and on our sidelines during games, this is a guy that keeps these guys together with his energy. He’s just a dynamic competitor that we’ll miss if he can’t play. The young bucks will have to go and step up.”
– Tampa Bay may be the season-ending opponent on Dec. 28, but that doesn’t stop Kiffin from bouncing ideas off his father Monte, and vice-versa.
“When we’re playing somebody from the system he’s in defensively. I might bounce something off him like ‘hey has anybody ever done this to you? What would be your adjustment here?,” Kiffin said. “And he’ll call me and say ‘Hey defenses keep doing this. I know you guys run this play, what are you telling the quarterback? What are you telling the backside tackle?’ It’s just competing to help each other.”
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September 18th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
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September 18th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Hey Lane,
““There’s a fine line you have to walk to know when to check the ball down and when to take chances, too,’’ Edwards said. “It’s kind of an instinctive thing you’ve got to have. A coach can tell you not to turn the ball over but you have to take your shots or you’re not going to put points on the board.’’
September 18th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
finally Thanx Jerry!
September 18th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Kiffin has no choice. Our receivers, except for Miller, are garbage.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I don’t have any clever or stupid to say so I leave it be, oh there I go, I said something =)
September 18th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
2 days, 15 hours, 1 minute, and 16 seconds left until the Oakland Raiders visits the Buffalo Bills.
Thanks for the update Jerry. Even though your information was relayed, your post was more detailed and creative then the SacBee and SFGate.com.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
I rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy..
September 18th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
RaiderMight..
yeah I’m pretty pleased its an early game =)
September 18th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Father knows best. And once Kiffin gleams all these little gems from his dad, we’ll be just that much better. That is, assuming he’s still here which I hope he is. Who knows, maybe his dad will join him on the sidelines when Rob Ryan decides to go elsewhere after his contract is up this year. Now that’s a blivet situation if I ever seen one.
For those of you who are not familiar with a blivet. It is 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag. Picture daddy Kiffin in the middle (running the defense) with Al Davis on one side and Lane Kiffin on the other side. Now THAT IS A BLIVET.
At this point I could point out that a good GM could easily defuse that blivet. Hint, Hint, Hint…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
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September 18th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
no kidding take a chance, come on al fire kiffin, he only knows 4 plays , and does not know how to use the talent on the team, , kiffen if you stay use your talented players and let the dam offensive cordinator call the plays it is knapps job not yours, right know you are bad , get it fixed or be fired, the only reason we won kc is because they are really bad , and yes i was there, mabey next game you wont miss the team bus get with it kid kiffin. run some two tight end sets with madsen it will help miller
September 18th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Although I understand the analysis offered to explain the play of JaMarcus Russell in last week’s Chiefs vs. Raiders game, I saw something totally different at the game. What I saw was a Quarterback that threw the ball to the receiver too early. It appeared that he just showed up to the game without the benefits of the offseason and training camp. I was suprised. In fairness, his receivers did not help him..i.e. when the ball hits the hands, the receiver must catch the ball. We need to see the veteran receivers on the team to take a stand and help this Quarterback. If not, then get the rookies in so that JaMarcus can establish a relationship with them. The key to the game this week against the Bills will be determined in the offensive and defensive line trenches. I give the Raiders a shot in beating the Bills if they can play smart, intelligent, and mistake free football. Please do not jump the count defense!
September 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Repost, and it’s even more to the point, the closer we get to game time:
Michael Bush — Will probably be shouldering the load for this team Sunday. He needs to stay healthy while doing it, we are suddenly thin at RB.
JaMarcus — Your time has arrived, son. Take control and run a confident, winning offense. Take control.
Kiff — Just keep on winning. The coach who turns this mess around, and wins while doing it, isn’t likely to go anywhere. Get this team to rally around you, and build the TEAM. Show the reasons you deserve a contract extension (with more responsibilities even?), and then we wouldn’t be hearing so much rumor-mill B$.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Raiderfans
Sign the petition. Let Al know how you feel. Keep Kiffin!!!!
http://www.keepkiffin.com
September 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
d08
Larry Fitz
September 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
fire the temp…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I will say this, it was really windy in KC, and the announcers seemed to think that it was affecting ALL the QB’s in the game. That said, I want to see a much improved performance from JaMarcus. I realize he is what ammounts to being a rookie and that there will be mistakes, but I want to keep seeing improvment from him.
In a year or so it will finally click and we will have ourselves a QB. Until then he has to be able to make plays when they are there and otherwise be smart. Eventually we will be able to turn him loose.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
408
Sorry doing this by phone
September 18th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
William Hronis
I agree. I felt that for whatever reasons, JR was a little of on many of his passes. Many were also simply dropped too. You are right, if it hits you in the hands, you must catch it. I personally don’t have great expectations for Walker and maybe I’m not being fair to him. It’s just that I subscribe to the philosophy that you can’t make a difference unless you are there. To date, Walker has failed that benchmark in spades.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
And, one more repost, since I’m interested in the responses it might bring:
MR — Plenty of people have game after age 40. Speak for yourself…and, sorry.
KK — You should be attributing that psycho-babble, since we know you didn’t write it yourself. Any astute reader of it would know that among other things, it applies in general terms to the masses.
You’re one who keeps telling us how long you’ve been around — so, it’s likely you’re suffering from some of the things you’re asking us to read about. Unless those same age-induced changes don’t apply to you, because you’re different somehow?
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At what age does one reach when automatic, compulsory retirement is forced upon him…even when he owns his own business? How close are you to that enforced maximum age, KK, and will you willingly just stop doing what you love when you’re told to do it?
September 18th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Walker hasn’t done anything this year but take a whole lot of money to the bank. Al should have let the bum retire when he wanted to. At that point we could have pursued someone else. Now we are stuck with someone who doesn’t want to play and does not have the desire to play anymore. Whatever was left of Walker ended in Las Vegas.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
408
ok well I needed someone now no worries
September 18th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
gah. Mcfadden is going to be slowed and this is a good defense.. i really hope he isnt dealing with this all year.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Curry (among others) needs to help a LOT more than he has been — but it’s time for JaMarcus to step it up. JaMarcus needs to be the man telling guys like Curry to step it up.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
How many times has the pass him them in a bad spot? Like their hands. These receivers are definetly not helping build confidence in the passing game.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Al Davis Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
MR Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Brien, I just like Entourage because I worked in Hollywood for a brief time.
Working as a male prostitute at Vine and Hollywood Blvd qualifies as working in Hollywood??? I guess.
MR Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Money will always buy you sex.
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I guess you got to earn a living some how.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Kiffin has definitely GOT to let Jam play a little more. Not turn this into a passing offense, that would be disasterous, but get Jam more involved than just handing it off.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I think, if M. Bush does carry the team like a good RB can, then we might be able to use McFadden much less. If we can somehow get to the Bye successfully, using McFadden less than we’d like — but still churning up yards — it would go a long way to helping McFadden’s toe heal. Long season, and we need a healthy stable again.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Kiff and the Raiders can get away with playing it ultra-conservative when the defense is totally dominating and the running game is piling up 300 yards, but most weeks — especially this one — you’ve gotta let JaMarcus make plays and risk a turnover or two.
Any time they’ve let him loose he’s shown he can make good decisions and put the ball in tight spaces. 8 minute drives that end with 0 points don’t do us any good. Let the kid throw it around some.
If I was coaching the Raiders I’d come out and throw the s–t out of the ball on the first drive this week. You’ve gotta think Buffalo is fully expecting us to run the ball. I say, let’s script 10 plays and go no-huddle, with pass after pass after pass on the first drive. I think it’d take them totally by surprise.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Oakglenn you’re right. Sell her!
September 18th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Chris I completely agree with post #29. Plus you want to slow the pass rush down some Lane: MIX IN A DRAW PLAY!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Once Bush takes the field as the starter, Fargas and McFadden will be in the rear view mirror. Bush will become a pro bowl player, and it starts this season, Sunday.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
the only way you are going to help McFadden’s toe is to sit him down…
kiffie won’t do it…
hell… if he saw a cast… he’d start him and make sure he got 30 touches…
MBush is healthy and ready to go…
i say a healthy Bush is better than a 90% McFadden…
and even if he is not… McFadden will not be 100% until that toe is healed…
oh…
i notice discussion of age has become the topic of the day…
as one of the more senior posters here (age 55)… i want everyone to know that i feel fine…
and i’d feel even better if Al fired that young fcuk kiffie…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Anyone watching the West Virginia vs Colorado?
Looks like WV is running the Raiders offense.
Navy won last week with 0 passing yards. That’s right… 0 passing yards.
Rumor is the Navy coach designed his offensive game plan after watching the Raiders v Broncos game.
September 18th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Kiffin is coaching his quarterback. Look, JaMarcus does not have:
1. Jason Peters and Langston Walker anchorig the tackles
2. Lee Evans, a receiver that defenses have to plan for and opens up space or a stable number 2 receiver
3. That 1st year of camp and regular season due to contract holdout
4. The distraction of not knowing if his coaches will be around from week to week or the stress of knowing each play he makes has his coaches career on the line
Please don’t make the Russell vs. Edwards comparison. If Rob Ryan does his job, hopefully Edwards will see his share of turnovers when he takes a shot downfield
September 18th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
release the scholarship coach…
September 18th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
http://www.keepkiffin.com
September 18th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Angling for a return of Art Shell and the Bed and Breakfast offense aren’t ya Florida Pete
September 18th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Pete,
Have you ever had turf toe? If bad enough, it doesn’t heal in a week, or two or even three…you have to be completely off your feet for 4-6 weeks and then it might, yes might, heal….and I mean completely off your feet…no walking to the water closet, no walking to the fridge…
It really is a pain, lol.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
nope…
kiffie is a temp…
he could go 14-0 the rest of the way…
he ain’t stayin’…
no matter what Al does…
so fire the temp…
September 18th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Oh, and I said water closet because I thought you were old enough to know what it is…hee
September 18th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Dakota Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Pete,
Have you ever had turf toe? If bad enough, it doesn’t heal in a week, or two or even three…you have to be completely off your feet for 4-6 weeks and then it might, yes might, heal….and I mean completely off your feet…no walking to the water closet, no walking to the fridge…
It really is a pain, lol.
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believe i had it in the army… you need to treat it like a broken bone…
in my case it took a year to heal…
of course… “turf toe” isn’t in the Army cedical field manual…
September 18th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Dakota Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Oh, and I said water closet because I thought you were old enough to know what it is…hee
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yes… indoor plumbing…
i am familiar with the term…
September 18th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
You had it too huh…I got my playing basketball and it really screwed with my baseball swing…it took two years to heal for me but I never stopped playing. Hopefully DMAC can rest it in the offseason.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
If Al Davis hadn’t made Oakland into the most toxic head coaching environment in the NFL maybe he could have avoided this entire mess by hiring a quality HC instead of some 32 year old glorified USC ball boy. Fuk Al and Fuk Kiffin.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Good evening dear friends,..the way I see it for this sunday is we have no shot whatsoever,…McFadden has turf toe,…Huggy out…Russell isnt ready to throw the ball in the NFL, might never be honestly,…no receivers at all to throw to if he could…and last but not least Buffalo is a good team,…and thats why Kiffin is still the coach, Davis knows these next two games are sure losses,..he will can Kiffin during the bye…and let Lofton run this sinking pirate ship the rest of the year…my advice?…stay loaded like me.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I was watching some of the KC game today,..Im telling you, Russell isnt an NFL qb,…not even close…he wasnt even dominating at LSU,…all he was was a huge arm and you know who likes a qb with a strong arm,..doesnt matter to him that the guy isnt an NFL qb,..hes just a big dude that can heave it 100 yards,..bfd….5 for 17…55 yards,..oh brother,…thats awful.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
i’m holding my breath on Russell… he’s got a lot of elway in him…
and a damn good backup in Walter…
September 18th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
http://www.keepkiffin.com/Home_Page.php
September 18th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Jerry??? Or anyone else?????
Please correct me if I am wrong but didn’t Kiffy want to draft Trent Edwards out of STANFORD or at least it was circulated in the media??????????
September 18th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Jim you’re harshing my buzz bro… Didn’t you say KC was gonna beat us by like 13+ points last week?
September 18th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Why even get on the plane to Buffalo? The year’s over, and the coach is fired, and we don’t yet know if we’re actually on to something here.
Good teams improve, believe in it, improve again. A positive cycle that Kiff has a chance to start.
At what point to the fans buy-in? Guess what folks…with a win in Buffalo, the Raiders could prove to themselves and to the rest of the NFL, that they’re for-real. Imagine going into the Chargers game 2-1, with a good chance of making it 3-1 at the Bye. It can actually happen, starting this Sunday.
Yes it can.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Kiffin has to go…the situation cannot be saved. Everyone knows Kiffin has one foot out the door and is burning every bridge in sight. Al fuked it up and now things are beyond repair…therefore Kiffin has to go, but only because no one can fire Al Davis.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
FREE DIRTY!
September 18th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Maybe Dirty’s girl can post in here while he is gone?
September 18th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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September 18th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
WHEW!!! Its been one helluva week and I can’t wait for it to be over. Anyone in banking, asset management or the like know what I’m talking about. Just pure hell – pressure, volume, work and more work.
Anyways, first things first – saw that piece from PFT.com about Herrara and Taylor; and they are doing the Nation a huge disservice. Unbelievable to be honest. Kiffin should make it one of his goals to get both of them booted from the organization – just like Lombardi. Just get rid of all the freakin’ losers man. These guys need to be strung up and set out as an example.
How the hell do you even consider the Raiders media exec a successful person at his job is beyond me?
Kiffin – A word of advise if its not too late: Angle to get this dutchbags out of the organization if you want to save your own hide.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
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Too much of this “if I were coach” how I would bring along JR crap going on. We all know he must throw the ball to be any kind of successful QB in this league but to be frank; the team around him is not fully develop or ready for that yet. All he has is ZMiller and his RBs right now with below average protection; which doesn’t make for a successful deep passing attack.
He has a bunch of WRs who either can’t hold onto the ball – where he shows little confidence in them – or he’s very unfamiliar with – and that shows as well. You can’t expect the world out of the passing game with those weapons.
We all want to see it NOW – but you all must deal with the reality that its not there yet and not try to force it upon him or the team (with your collective voices) when its not there. It could do more harm than good – like getting your franchise beat to hell.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Dakota,
If Kiffin does go…you can be rest assured the replacement will be a SIGNIFICANT downgrade.
My guess:
Jim Fassell, Rob Ryan, James Lofton and the Bed & Breakfast offense, which will be sure to ruin Russell. Walter would just up and quit….how anyone can get excited about those names is beyond me
September 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Of course Javon Walker would probably love a coaching change
September 18th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
S&B,
I know…we are doomed.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Dakota…
My thoughts exactly. I stated this several post back. Kiffin will land on his feet. Besides, this is an ugly business and Kiffin would not be the first coach to get fired because of personality differences.
Al needs to go ahead and do the deal and move on to the next guy. This season is in the tank anyway.
1. Walker – hurt
2. Kelly – hurt and DUI
3. Fargas – hurt (who didn’t see this one coming?)
4. McFadden – hurt
5. Russell – Needs more time on the bench ( Like Rodgers and Romo)
September 18th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Actually 408 I said Oakland would lose by more then that,…I did come in here right after game and admit my failings…invited all to rip me if they like, a few did, justifiably…but I dont see anything good coming out of this game,…hope Im wrong again,…5 years of seeing loss after loss up close from my seats has turned me into a real neg-head.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
K-Rock,
Right, just drop the axe Al, get this embarrassing BS over with and hire another c0ckpuppet as HC.
As to Russell, he will be fine…and keep playing the kid; he will learn more being on the field than just sitting there getting fat on the sidelines. Russell is like Darth Helmet…he is currently surrounded by a$$holes, so let’s not be too quick to judge…he is only on start #4. Elway in his first 10 starts…7tds, 14 ints, 47% completion percentage.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
A very fitting article written by Jerry McDonald a couple of days before Kiffin became the Raiders Coach:
- “With his connection to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers through his father, there is a perception that Lane Kiffin wouldn’t be a serious candidate to coach the Oakland Raiders because of a negative review by a certain former coach.
It goes like this. Lane talks to his father, Monte Kiffin, the Bucs’ defensive coordiantor. Monte tells Lane all about the Raiders through the stories he heard from Jon Gruden.
Perhaps Lane talks to Gruden directly. It wouldn’t be the first time. When Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian took over the USC offense following Norm Chow’s departure to the Tennessee Titans, one of the first things they did was hole up at One Buc Place for a few days to talk offensive football with Gruden.
Gruden, the theory goes, would warn poor Lane about big, bad Al Davis and the ultimate failure that awaits should he get the job.
And there you have it, the Evil Empire rejected by another prodigy, derailed by the one that got away.
Except that doesn’t explain why Kiffin is at the facility, interviewing with Davis, having slipped into town late Sunday night.
If Kiffin has gotten the lowdown on the drawbacks of donning silver and black, why would he bother?
Because he may have heard more good things about being coach of the Raiders than you might think. I’ve had conversations with Gruden about the Raiders over the years, both while he was in Oakland and after he was traded. He makes it a point to stay out of the Raiders business.
It’s not like Gruden would want to coach for Davis all over again, but any hard feelings about the way it ended are ancient history, and the next time you hear him publicly knock the Raiders or Davis will be the first time.
Yes, Gruden and Davis disagreed on some issues. That goes without saying _ conflict and debate are at the very core of how Davis operates.
He would also tell Kiffin coaching the Raiders was the biggest break of his career and four of the best years of his life. Not as good as taking a tire iron to the Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII, perhaps, but still pretty special.
Davis, Gruden would say, can be difficult and demanding. If you’re every hoping for an “atta boy,” a pat on the back or a time where he says so much as a “well done,” you’d better look at another job.
But it’s not an impossible situation. A coach who can stand his ground and make his case can get some things he wants and needs. Particularly on offense, Gruden was pretty much his own man in terms of philosophy and use of personnel.
He listened to Davis because Davis was his boss. But he coached to his own belief system, perhaps infusing things Davis said that makes sense, and quietly disregarding what he disagreed with.
I remember Pat Swilling, during Gruden’s first year, summing it up like this, “He coaches like he knows he can get another job.”
Gruden didn’t pick all his coaches or the 53-man roster, but he was forceful enough about some things that he was able to sell Davis. He picked his battles, prioritizing what he thought was most important _ much like people in business do every day.
Frankly, as a 34-year-old head coach, he was probably better off having to run a Davis gauntlet rather than simply get his way.
He didn’t have Rich Gannon the first season. His quarterback was Jeff George. During a subsequent draft, Davis sat down with some media members and said, “Jon needed a quarterback who could move” with regard to Gannon’s acqusition.
It would be the same deal for Kiffin. If it looked as if he was making progress, Davis would be more inclined to get him what he wants and needs. The moment Kiffin showed weakness, Davis would assume more of a position of power.
I bet Gruden has trouble believing Sarkisian actually turned down an NFL job _ particularly one with an above average defense, the top pick in the draft and a nowhere-to-go-but-up scenario after a 2-14 season.
Gruden would tell Kiffin to bust his rear trying to make things work, rather than worrying about the things that don’t.
Whether Kiffin, or New England’s Josh McDaniels, for that matter, eventually becomes the Raiders coach is up to Davis and the candidates involved.
But they woudln’t be scared away by anything Gruden had to say. In fact, it might be the opposite.”
September 18th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
In my opinion, I think Oakland would do better with Brady Quinn, to me hes more NFL caliber…I also think Kiffin thinks the same thing….I think Kiffin would rather have had Quinn.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Jim
I hear ya man! I hope your wrong too.. Also I wasn’t trying to rip on you. Just wanna win some freaking games!
September 18th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Im hip to those elway stats dakota,..but all knew elway was dynamic/pro style while he was in high school,….hey Im raiders for life, but I think elway was the best qb ever.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
LOL…. Quinn…..
AL DAVIS BANISHED HIS BEST TACKLE EVER BY BLAMING HIM FOR NOT DRAFTING MATT LEINART AND “SETTING US BACK TEN YEARS”….. AL, NO NFL CONTRACT LASTS 10 YEARS…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… Al SUPPORTERS SMOKE CRACK
September 18th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
ya 408,..we are tired of losing,..the tailgating is suffering…you can only drink so much to swallow the horrible football…we know the only hope, davis dying,..hey I hate to say it like that, but thats the reality…we are all grown up here right?
September 18th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
I fully agree with Kiffin’s philosophy, especially at this point in Russell’s development. It’s all about taking calculated risks right now. Let Russell learn the system and the NFL-level game during his first few years until he is savvy enough to perform at a hgher level; he certainly has the tools. Besides, it’s not as if we have the receivers to be more dynamic in the passing game as of now.
Hopefully Al can recognize that he has a good young coach on his hands and can iron-out his differences with Lane. After all, we’ve all seen the results that an Al Davis-type of coach have given us over the last 5 years.
Should Kiffin go, I can see him developing into a stud coach that hands us losses a la Shanahan..
September 18th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
JUST WIN BABY
September 18th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Those of u clowns saying fire kiffen are morons. One Whos going to replace him .Two ever since kiff came we have been playing competive ball. Three Fire kiff and j russ learns a whole new system that usually works out for young qbs in the nfl, having to learn new systems with new coachs. Idiots
If you want kiffen gone, then your a dumbass plan and simple.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
FROM PROFOOTBALLTALKRUMMORMILL
TAYLOR, HERRERA HAVE THE EAR OF AL DAVIS
Posted by Mike Florio on September 18, 2008, 11:44 a.m.
While the Lane Kiffin termination watch continues, we’ve picked up some interesting details about the current dynamics in the Raiders organization.
As we hear it, Davis currently is consulting with only two members of the organization regarding Kiffin’s fate: Mike Taylor and John Herrera.
Taylor is a media relations exec, and Herrera appears to be a jack of multiple trades, but apparently not a football guy.
It was Herrera, we’re told, who distributed in the press room on Wednesday the ESPN.com article regarding the folly of Kiffin’s decision to air dirty laundry regarding issues with defensive game-planning.
So why do Taylor and Herrera have Al’s ear? Apparently because they’re telling him what he wants to hear. And the strongly-held belief is that both Taylor and Herrera want Kiffin to be kaput.
It’s an aspect of human nature no different than Shawne Merriman’s search for a surgeon who would tell Merriman that he could play without knee surgery. At times, we all pick and choose the folks to whom we’ll listen based on what they’re telling us. And we opt to ignore those who say anything other than that which we want to hear.
Though it’s not publicly known whether others in the organization are of the same mindset as Taylor and Herrera, it’s safe to assume that, if they were, Davis would be talking to them, too. Since he’s only talking to Taylor and Herrera, it’s also safe to assume that the rest of the front office disagrees with what’s happening.
And so, as we understand it, when Kiffin says, “As crazy as it sounds, I know as much as [the media],” he’s telling the truth. The even more amazing part of this is that the rest of the organization, but for Taylor and Herrera, are getting their information from the media as well.
As Kiffin said, it sounds crazy. And that’s because, well, it kind of is crazy.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Al Davis’ Words:
“Knowing what we know now, should you have told us to pick Leinart over Huff?” Davis asked Shell, according to Danny More, Shell’s longtime agent.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Stop posting the PFT article. It has been posted 20 times already.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Native, all in here, they all visit PFT probably every 20 minutes,..you dont need to post articles from there.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
An Art Shell ally is baffled by Al Davis’ comments
Posted by Tim Kawakami on January 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pm | Categorized as NFL, Raiders
“Do you really think it was Art who drafted Michael Huff last year? Come on!”
A good friend of Art Shell had just called my cellphone this morning, and after saying hello, that’s the first thing Shell’s friend said to me. Quite loudly.
“Al picked Huff! Al makes every pick!”
I laughed and realized that the Art Shell Friend (ASF) had read the coverage from yesterday’s bizarre Al Davis performance at the Lane Kiffin introduction and was outraged over the spin and half-truths and maybe more-than-half-not-truths told.
I told ASF: Well, that’s why I asked Al so precisely about Huff and the pick.
To my surprise when I asked about personnel authority Tuesday, Al said Shell drafted Huff (ahead of Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler), I questioned that to Al’s face, and Mr. D. got mad at me, told me I didn’t know what I was talking about.
ASF: “Art had the same amount of input on that pick that Al’s given to every Raider coach in every draft–NONE. What’s with the revisionist history going on there yesterday?”
Which, of course, makes sense. Total Raider sense.
On this point, and on several others, Al is once again in typical Big Vague Mis-Direction Mode–it’s never Al’s fault, never, ever, even though Al has total power, total discretion disgression (oops, that’s what I get when I type these things really fast), hired everybody, over-ruled everybody and made every pick, for years and decades and eternity.
This time, he’s blaming Shell–once a pillar of the franchise, one of his favorite Raiders of alltime–for screwing up on Jerry Porter and Randy Moss, screwing up the offense, and yes, messing up on the Huff pick.
Davis has earned that right–it’s his franchise, he’s won more than his share, he’s a football sage.
But if I’m Shell or a friend of his, Davis’ changing of facts to suit his whims and vanity would tick me off even while admitting that nobody did a good job in 2006, most especially Shell.
I need to point out here that I’m sure ASF was NOT calling at Shell’s behest. Shell will be quiet about this just as he was quiet after he was fired the last time.
This was just ASF–who hasn’t always been pleased with what I’ve written about Shell, by the way–needing to vent after hearing and reading about Davis’ comments yesterday.
The Huff pick probably is a small point, but for ASF it was hugely illustrative about the Big Vague Mis-Direction. There were many people in that draft room. There are many people who have been in draft rooms with Al over the decades.
And now Al wants us to believe he sat quietly and meekly as Art Shell overpowered him with his own conclusion. Please.
Does anybody think for a second that Al let Shell make that pick?
Apparently, Davis brought up his revisionist Huff/not-Leinart version of the truth during the final meeting on the day Shell was fired–much to Shell’s shock and befuddlement.
Some other points made by ASF that sound authentic to me:
* Yes, Shell hired Tom Walsh, his old friend, but Davis had always liked Walsh himself and had tried to hire him back to the Raiders several years ago, according to ASF.
Given that Davis fully supported the hiring of the bed-and-breakfast offensive coordinator, ASF says Shell did not appreciate the lack of backing from Davis when Walsh went up in flames.
Basically, according to ASF, Al sold out Walsh and Shell and kept his fingerprints off of the Walsh hire.
(It’s never Al’s fault!)
* Davis and Shell have publicly left the door open for Shell returning in a front-office capacity in 2007, but ASF says Shell almost certainly won’t walk back into the Raider HQ “unless he’s wearing boxing gloves.”
* ASF said that Shell wanted to trade Porter immediately after his combative off-season meeting with the disgrunted WR, but Davis and Mike Lombardi overruled him.
Then when things got totally out of hand, Davis only agreed to try to trade Porter if Porter returned $4 million of his signing bonus, which, of course, was not too likely. Impossible, actually.
* Shell, of course, couldn’t stand Lombardi (and vice-versa), but he also felt that John Shoop (original tight ends coach who replaced Walsh as off-coor mid-stream) was forced upon him.
* Shell had few problems with Moss, but Moss just wanted out. They had a meeting during the season in which Moss explained that he’d play much better in a winning situation and wanted to be traded.
I don’t imagine that went down well with Al, who assumes the Raiders is still the ultimate winning situation.
Mostly, ASF said Shell is just disappointed that he was given such a short time, with so little backing from his beloved boss and so much political back-stabbing from almost everybody in Raider HQ.
Shouldn’t Art have known that this is the situation? I asked ASF. You know, he’d been through this once before.
“He wanted,” ASF said, ”to be the one who fixed it.”
September 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Post Date: 09/22/08
Job Title: Head Coach Oakland Raiders
Salary: $1,000,000.00 to 2,500,000.00
Location: Alameda, California
Requirements: 5+ years experience in kowtowing, or a Master’s Degree in sycophancy.
Responsibilities: Provide lineup changes and time out management 17 weekends a year. Opinions are not welcome and all staff shall be provided without your input.
Contact: John Hererra
About the Company: We are a dying, non-traditional NFL team, looking for weak-minded coaches to join our team. We offer an unstable work environment for a competent, creative coach with good communication skills. Our long-term goals vary at the whim of our managing general partner.
Website Address: http://www.raiders.com
September 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
So basically, when Huff turns into an All-Pro….. Guess who’s going to take the credit????
Darth J3W
September 18th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Man Im depressed tonight,..the Norco isnt doing its magic for some reason,..maybe this damn movie Im watching, Michael Clayton,…its disturbing,…major corporation poisoning ground water/soil just to speed up harvests, hundreds dying…ya its just a movie but I bet theres alot of truth in it…this world sucks.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Native, you posted an article that we all read already,..I told you, we dont need your help, we all visit PFT about every 20 minutes. Thanks anyway though.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
http://am570radio.com/main.html
Go here and listen to Kiff and Morrison interviews.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Willie,
Go suck your thumb….No one cares about what you say….
September 18th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I hope the JETS beat san diego monday night,…maybe we beat them the following week and go into our bye looking at sd being 0-4.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Dude I have told you multiple times, I dont buy booze in the coliseum,…or food,..we get drunk tailgating and pig out,…I give no money to beer/food concessions,..ever.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Native,
I dont have a choice……..
I bought tickets to the Jets/Raiders…..30 yrd line…..13 rows up!!
Does anybody want them????
50% OFF!!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Good game between the Giants and Snakes tonight.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Go Dodgers!!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Movin on,amazing how a traitor jumps in two or so minutes,must be posting under 4 or 5 names,only thing that matters, OAKLAND RAIDERS!!!!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
AI
How u been? Always a different handle with u lol
September 18th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Haha, good deal man. Sorry to hear that you’re bummed.. Maybe our Raiders can cheer you up on Sunday.. Seems unlikely, however. Btw, when is the last time we won two in a row, out of curiosity??
September 18th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Last year nyc.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
# Dakota Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Post Date: 09/22/08
Job Title: Head Coach Oakland Raiders
Salary: $1,000,000.00 to 2,500,000.00
Location: Alameda, California
Requirements: 5+ years experience in kowtowing, or a Master’s Degree in sycophancy.
Responsibilities: Provide lineup changes and time out management 17 weekends a year. Opinions are not welcome and all staff shall be provided without your input.
Contact: John Hererra
About the Company: We are a dying, non-traditional NFL team, looking for weak-minded coaches to join our team. We offer an unstable work environment for a competent, creative coach with good communication skills. Our long-term goals vary at the whim of our managing general partner.
Website Address: http://www.raiders.com
_________________
^^^^ Beautiful.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Ok chaos,..if thats it I guess…you arent a person who would sit back and let someone talk crap,..I guess that makes you someone with real conviction, to not let anyone in a blog talk crap,…your inner circle must be really proud of you, look up to you.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Regarding Shell not picking Huff…No s’t. That’s a no brainer to everyone who understands what a joke Raiders’ management is. Someone posted a great piece a couple of years ago about how Shell had built an uber f’n offensive line when he first got here in ‘89 or whatever but Al traded them all. Anyone know of it, or remember who the guys were?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Goodnight.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I Lame still our coach?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Jim,
let it go my brother..
youre best bet is to ignore people who come in here to fight.
Just ignore.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I dont find Huff especially good, I like Donte Whitner.. but I guess we all can agree picking Leinert would have been a huge mistake..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
LMN,
good morning
don’t you ever sleep?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Yeah sure thing Welieie……..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
MR….>Got Directv?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
M..
nah, i’m still paying back the MNF game..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
LMN
sup bro how was your game today? I wish I liked another team besides the RAIDERS and the A’s…
September 18th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
LMN,
Huff is a very avg. player….. but it beats having Schweigert back there!! Dont you think??
I think that dude is out of football now.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Dakota Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Dakota
u haven’t gotten some in a minute huh
………………………………………….
I get piped every night. I’m goooooooooooood
muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
_________________________________________________
hmmmm, not me, lol
September 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
MR
Do you come in here trying to pick up on guys??
Thats wrong…..you know that.
Dude,,,,try E-harmony..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Mr.
Lol I can’t claim I have sex all the time cuz I dont … but I always start my morning with a kick start… its the only way to wake up… F@ck Foldgers!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
RIP Geogi Kitov
Goooo Raiders!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Mr.
Lol I can’t claim I have sex all the time cuz I dont … but I always start my morning with a kick start… its the only way to wake up… F@ck Foldgers!
____________________________________________________
Always put the tent away in the morning…
September 18th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
LOL..
they just deleted my post about Arla.. LOL
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
MR……They took off my last post….someone one must have complained….(caughcaugh willie caugh caugh) Freakin Mods…….but the rumors are true….once they have their precious around the finger bro…..thats it…its like the lights come on and they go shopping…..and then the kids come and no love for daddy…..so then what….blog time……
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Dakota
We C I 2 I
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Does anyone listen to the PMS show in L.A.??
I listen just to hear that traffic chick…Tiffany Brazil……I get a BONER when I hear her say…”Hello Money”…
She makes me come just by hearing her…..She’s not very attractive…As a matter a fact I think she’s going bald!! But her voice is SEXY, Sexy, Sexy…..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
ufk the bills we got this!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
DE donde la Dirity.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
LMN…..these mods are rediculous…..maybe herrera is the mod…..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
408..
thanks for asking.. but NO it sucked.. in the first half we played like a bag of nuts.. but in the second half we controlled the game, but too late.. 1-2 so the return game in Norway will be difficult :/
September 18th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Depressed…..Are u in LA?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Jackie Johnson on KCAL 9…..OMG…….
September 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
They talk about Lofton taking over at HC…hell! he can’t even help the recievers learn how to catch the damn ball!That is his job as of now right?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
I just think the chinese bought this ‘paper’ and can’t handle the public to speak about them..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
yea bro,
Upland
USA
September 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Every time I go off on the Chin3se govt the mod appears…he is either a chin3se spy or the chin3se govt is moderating this blog…
September 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Los dos Raiders
September 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Exactly LMN, lol.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
LOL…..Maybe…..So he will be……uuuuhhhhh Mista…..uhjellie…..mackadonno….you writa stolie on tha laiders?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
NCC,
Jackie Johnson…..Is that the blond weather chick??
The one with the big MELONS???
Muy Caliente HOT!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
El Dirty Racoon
En el caurto
September 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Jackie Johnson on KCAL 9…..OMG…….
September 18th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
MR must have left with that gay guy
September 18th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
LOL…..Dude….I could not believe that shyt…..Then the wifey caught my eyes rollin bro….and you know what sucks….shes ingaged to the freakin punter from the dischargers……what the hell?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Dakota,
FCUK CHINA and ALL their FCUKED up Merchandise.
Recall everything from those commie bastars!!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Los dos Raiders
skin it baby
September 18th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Hey MR and Dakota,
Did you get the link for the interviews on the radio here in LA?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
LOL..
in 20min time, two choppers arrive in South Dakota and arresting the alleged t3rrorist and meanwhile the same happens in Denmark..
later an internet group tries to explain that these two individuals are victims of an conspiracy.. all supporters of this internet group all mysteriously disappears..
.. and Jerry’s blog dies..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
NATION I’m trying to quit smoking =/ cigarettes not pot… It sucks but… a win on sunday will realy help my cause BTW 4 days with no smokes I think I got this!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
LMN?
LMN?
Sheeet, I think the Chin3se secret police got LMN!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
408
Congrats! First weeks is a BIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I did Chaos, but I am too depressed to even think about this circus anymore.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
My bad guys….
Dakota…..google Jackie Johnson….she will get you through the night…..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Dakota..
lol.. well did you get to read my post about arla before it got deleted?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
LMAO
Hey I got a thing 4 Ch1ne$e women!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
The chinese secret police????
Those commie bastards probably own this Raider site now!!
Hey China!!.. stop killing our people with your crappy sh!t!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
no, post it again.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
But dont click the 3rd picture….trojan virus on it….
September 18th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Dirty,
levantarse aca en lista y la falda
September 18th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
then again….Maxim had some free sites of ammatures….youporn and xtube for all of the loners in the house…..
September 18th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Its to much gay going around here!! Nothing but the devils!!!!!!!!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Thanx dirty! My princess hit me with the ” Daddy I don’t want you to die” now I gotta quit cuz I promised her! But I think the worst is over
September 18th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I am watching THE INVASION on HBO right now…I am trying to decide which movie is worse…The Invasion or The Happening…right now I am leaning towards the happening, but it is too close to call at this point.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Fcuk you UNKNOWN…Go to bed you little sissy!!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Dakota…..answer me damn it…Do you have Directv?
September 18th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
http://www.keepkiffin.com
September 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Dakota,,,
AWE c’mon bro…..
I LOVED THE Happening…….
Especially when that crazy old bitch slapped the little girls hand when she tried to grab a cookie!!
That was fricken crazy!!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
408..
I quit it pretty easy, but each time i’m ouyt drinking with the guys, when i’m hitting beer number 4, i just can keep my thoughts away from cigarettes.. well then you just have to drink some more and you’ll forget it =)
September 18th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Nation Collective-Chaos Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
MR….>Got Directv?
Nation Collective-Chaos Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Dakota…..answer me damn it…Do you have Directv?
_________________________________________________
Lol, you didn’t ask me bro…
but no, I have Dish Network.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Racoon
tienes a practicar tu espaniol
September 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Yeah Fu(k u b!tch unknown bendajo
September 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
hmm
work calls, first they say i have to be her, now they actually also wants me to work, how dare they, I’ll show them.. =)
C ya guys, back in an little hour..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
C what I mean. Another sheman wants me to take it to bed. I only screw hot freaks like britney spears!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
I don’t know if the site is still up, but a college buddy of mine swore by a site called thehun.net
muhahaha
September 18th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Bro….A few friends have it and split their bill….One has the account and the others mooch off the account…..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Dirty,
I am, yall are me estudante partners
September 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
LMN
yeah I just been smoking More Herbs but when sunday comes & the beers start being consumed is when the real test comes,, Also when I smell cigarette smoke that’s ufckin weird how my body kinda shakes 4 a sec or 2
September 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Bro forget the stills…..Waste of time……
September 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Nation Collective-Chaos Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Bro….A few friends have it and split their bill….One has the account and the others mooch off the account…..
___________________________________________________
Your friends are going to jail.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Dirty, stay tuned. It will get mucho gusto
September 18th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
unknown,
How is Britney looking these days, anyway???
The last time I saw her , it looked like she just staggered outta her trailor home!!
Drunk and Fat!!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
LOL…..They been doing it for a while now…..I think they are ok…..Unless the chineese govt….crap…..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
don’t make me repeat this….copy and paste this into your drop down list thehun.net
you WILL thank me later.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Brien got busted today:
http://www.billingsgazette.com/rednews/2001/03/08/build/breaking/images/ronald1.jpg
September 18th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
LOL…..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Dakota you idiot….everyone went to that site…..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
depressed raider
I caused that!! This thing aint nothing to play lil brudda. I filled her up with this “CocoNUT” juice!!
I beat-it-up in layman terms!!!!!!!! U know how we do it!! Feel me
September 18th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Dakota I hope I dont get a virus but thanks for the link!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
shoot, sorry Jerry, your blog is now dead!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I have never, I mean my college buddy has never got a virus from that site…
September 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Damn the blondie…..jesus…..
September 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Ha Ha I was wondering why it was so quiet.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
hey remember when huff posted that p0rn? Im gonna try it some day
September 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I’m gonna make the wifey bleach her hair now.,……
September 18th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Night all
And MERRY FUKING CHRISTMAS!
Remember…you risk going blind…
September 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
7th one down…….
September 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Later nation Dakota has me doing research on this other site @ the moment! LOL
September 18th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
NATION Collective-408RAIDER Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Later nation Dakota has me doing research on this other site @ the moment! LOL
One more thing. Could you research the diameter of my poot hole. It’s expanding. Nite all.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Where did all the humans go?
September 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
chirp
September 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
188th !!!!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Damn !!
September 18th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
ha ha
chirp
September 18th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I can’t believe what this blog has become!! It’s rampant with gay references.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Unknown Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I can’t believe what this blog has become!! It’s rampant with gay references.
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Chirp
shut up homo
Chirp
September 18th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
mr=miss raider is the ring leader of the gay fest!!!!
Now she is moaning like a cricket!!! ohhhhh
September 18th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I can’t believe everyone bounced! Ha Ha… No Shame
September 18th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
All signs point to the Raiders getting their asses handed to them in Buffalo. Lets hope they show something.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
donde to
September 18th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Dark Force
I have to agree with u… I hope J-Mac can wake up and turn into superman sunday
September 18th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Racoon
Where what?
September 18th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Where am I? I am in a fog of booz and pills.
the more I drink the more I need the pills, then I fell bad and drink more
September 18th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Nice couldn’t wait for hell?
September 18th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Shaoc,We gots direct vt,maybe someday,rotiart
September 18th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
All better wake up,were being sold out,maybe this country needs a wake up call! USA,Raiders
September 18th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I love how everyone has jumped on the “Blame Davis, Poor Kiffin” bandwagon. Al wasn’t the one who went out and publicly badmouthed his own team and coaching staff and owner, trying to wash his hands of any blame reguarding their pathetic loss to Denver. Kiffin was being a little bitch, plain and simple. He may not like the ownership or the way the company is run, but that doesn’t excuse his team from performing like sh_t and him from taking any blame for it.
I agree that the situation won’t improve till Al’s gone. But you can’t put all the blame on Al. He’s not on the sidelines Sunday calling the plays, and he’s not wearing a headset in the owner’s box either. It’s on Lane to read the Defense and call plays. If he can’t do that efficiently, it’s not Al’s fault.
Prediction……Kiffin will be FIRED after a 1-3 Record during the BYE week…And thats not Al’s Fault……
Bank on it!!
September 18th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Nation Collective – Fcuk the 70’s #77
Outstanding informative post. A must read for all Raider supporters. It just substantiates what many of us have been saying.
September 18th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
1-3 and fired.
Or, Kiffin’s record this year could be 2-2…or even 3-1 at the Bye. Either of those two records should, and probably will, keep him around…as long as the team continues to improve, that is. That’s the way it should be, too — earn that extension so many people think you deserve, coach.
September 18th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Kiffin is money I cant get enough of this guy!!!
– While discussing turf toe, the possiblility of injections and all the practices Woodson missed in 2001, Kiffin said, “I thought Woodson didn’t practice anyway, the stories I heard. I don’t think it had anything to do with his toe.”
September 18th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
chaos,lets see ,=moron=ttrojan
September 18th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
just got love this site but for the last time n i know javon has done nothing so far n may not put up numbers we want but if he di retire in preseason n gave back money the only cap we got this tear was his 1 million salary next year would have been 16 the 11mil sighning this spring n the 5 we owe march 1st. plus who would have sighned hell the same street agents r still or was the best we can hope is the guy gets ready to play that n after the injurys isnt that bad i will miss farges but like seeing bush n pray turf toe goes away n dammit let jr throw long lelie is going to the guy wait n see. bad tping but 13hr bar shift sorry long live al n keep kiff pleaseeeeeeeeeee
September 19th, 2008 at 12:06 am
#77…great post
all you al sympathizers always talk about what it is to be a raider. what loyality means. you talk about this like al davis is the pillar of word. give me an effing break. post #77 reminded me of how “loyal” big al really is.
art shell is arguably the greatest left tackle to play the game, and unquestionably one the greatest raiders. what has that gained him when it comes to mr.davis? he has been fired TWICE by mr. loyality. so when all you hacks talk about kiffin not being loyal, save it. al davis cares about one person and one person only: al davis.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Hayez, Al should just fire Kiffin. Hire someone who he KNOWS can win. Or, does he not know anymore?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:20 am
KEEP IN MIND RAIDER NATION…as per rf365 anthony carroll
The Bills are currently 9½-point favorites to top Oakland, which, if prognosticators are correct, would be the first time in a decade. Buffalo last beat Oakland back in 1998, 44-21, in a Week 15 shootout; since, they’ve lost contests to the Raiders in 1999, 2002, 2004 and 2005. Keep in mind, in ‘04 and ‘05, the Raiders were a combined 9-23, meaning roughly 22 percent of their wins over a span of two years were thanks to Buffalo.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:20 am
UH yea AL left you to go make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in the number 1/2 tv market in the country and then came back and not ever said nothing about the fans…”ERRRR u pomised me SELL-OUT GAMES OAKLAND”!!!
Reminds me of the Beavis and Butthead Lawyers we are going to SUE THE school, the parents, teacher O and the little girl too!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:34 am
#210, RGLC — Regarding #77…actually, I’ve never quite understood the point of that Kawakami article printed 1 1/2-years ago, except that Kawakami just wanted to stir it up (duh).
Are we giving Art the blame, or are we giving Art the credit, for the Huff draft/signing? Huff has done everything asked of him, and it seems he’s getting better all the time. As safeties go, Huff’s at least in the top-10 in coverage, for the most part he’s a sound tackler (everybody blows one now and then), and he’ll be a great blitzer when he’s allowed to.
Post #77 just brought up a tired non-argument about who’s responsible for bringing in Huff. I say, the article was proven moot — because whoever was responsible for the pick made a good choice, even if Leinart comes on in the next year or two. Huff’s a good pro, getting better all the time.
The great Raider Art Shell was given a second chance by Al, and only proved what we already knew more than 10-years earlier…a Hall Of Fame lineman doesn’t necessarily equate to a great head coach.
After twice proving his loyalty to Art, replacing him for the second time was one of Al’s smartest coaching moves ever — following one of his worst, in bringing Art back in the first place.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Hayez, has Al Davis ever done anything wrong in your eyes, ever?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Sure, too many Al mistakes to list.
Hmmm…Todd Marijuanavich, Jim Lachey, Art I & Art II, leaving Oakland (not that I blame him), and many, many, more.
But, Al can do what he wants with the team, and I have a choice to stay a fan or not.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:03 am
If you “can’t blame him” for leaving Oakland, then why do you say it was a mistake?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:06 am
HayesDaze, we’re all fans. So you make no sense whatsoever when you say that you have a choice to stay a fan or not.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:31 am
A MUST READ: Go to Yahoo.com…nfl sports, and read the article by Michael Silver, Yahoo Sports, 9/19/08.
You idiots, who blindly support Al Davis, for whatever reasons, some out of so called loyalty, need to take your heads out of your azz’s and see Davis for what he is or what he has become: Davis = Power freak, who has gone insane over the years, and is too sick too see it.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Al Davis has been a power freak his whole life, where’s the story?
OG — I think there are a lot of reasons the Raiders should’ve stayed in Oakland, even if the team got screwed by the coliseum and city. I think Al could’ve found a solution that didn’t involve moving to L.A., but I understand why he went that direction. The move didn’t work the way it was meant to. I think the team should’ve stayed up north — even though I spent as much on them in L.A., just minus the PSL’s.
We all have a choice to remain fans, and to decide at what level to remain loyal to the guy making most decisions. Just so happens, I’ll support the guy until I think he’s hopeless. I just haven’t reached that point yet…and to believe that stuff now, at 1-1 in this young season, seems like throwing in the towel already.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:49 am
For those of you still waiting for that “hopeless,” feeling to come upon you, there’s another insightful article by Jason Cole, @ Yahoo.com, NFL, sports, dated 9/19/08, which give additional insight to Davis’s insanity and quest for power, even at the expense of his dysfunctional franchise and his loyal fans.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Understanding that an owner (Davis) has lost it for some time now and that said owner is the root cause of 99% of all related problems, has nothing to do with rooting for
the Raiders. Some people imply that if you dislike what the owner is doing to the team, bringing it down, then you’re not rooting for the team and that you have given up.
There is no correlation between the two, for those of you to ignorant to understand that. We’re still Raiders fans, but we oppose the insanity of the owner.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Good night Raider Nation, have a good Friday, a good weekend, and hopefully we enjoy a win against the Bills on Sunday.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Hopefully Kiffins careful grooming of Russell isn’t stunting his growth. I beleive that JR should get a chance to make mistakes. I beleive at this point being careful is the smart move, but some time soon the leash should be removed. The best teacher is failure, Kiffin alluded to this after the loss to Denver in regards to the film session. How can Russell learn from adversity if we keep him sheltered like a child??? I think we should let him learn by making mistakes, he has the self confidence and work ethic to do so. I, like many of you, would gladly take a few extra losses now for an All-Pro QB in the future. If he does well Kiffin looks like a genius, if he fails then we are looking at Crabtree, Maclin, or Harvin in the draft. Assuming that Kiffin doesnt get fired it looks to be a win win situation.
NC-Chaos and allies,
Congrats, you all have developed quite a following. I want to clear it up once and for all for those who dont know, brothers united is just my way of reminding everyone that we are all fans of the raiders (except mr) and want this team to succeed. Besides chaos you are a la cat like me so if u do succeed then it only makes our city look better LOL.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:11 am
MacFadden and Fargas limited or out will be a huge disadvantage to overcome… If the Raiders can pull this one off, they may indeed be onto something… a win would be sensational, I’d say. I’m praying…
September 19th, 2008 at 5:56 am
“The first step to rebuilding the team is to tell the owner not to walk in the door ever again. The next is to get rid of the front office and then all the personnel people … There’s no structure in place. That’s why nothing is going to change,” said another former Raiders player.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:10 am
In addition to the yahoo article, there is an article the writer wrote 12 years ago about the dysfunction that includes player quotes at the time etc….The Sports Illustrated article is really eye opening. I just thought Davis was controlling, but read that article and he is a real jerk.
vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/4/index.htm
A MUST READ: Go to Yahoo.com…nfl sports, and read the article by Michael Silver, Yahoo Sports, 9/19/08.
You idiots, who blindly support Al Davis, for whatever reasons, some out of so called loyalty, need to take your heads out of your azz’s and see Davis for what he is or what he has become: Davis = Power freak, who has gone insane over the years, and is too sick too see it.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Al Davis is SUCH a maverick!!!!
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(From SI) “In 1988 Davis ordered Shanahan to play Willie Gault , a former Olympic sprinter, ahead of Brown . Shanahan refused because Brown ’s superiority to Gault was so obvious in practice. “That was the biggest fight we ever had,” says Shanahan . “No one had ever stood up to him. Everyone there is afraid of him, so that’s the behavior he expects.”
Even after he was fired, Shanahan says Davis tried to bully him. “He told me that if I went to the Broncos , he wouldn’t pay me the $250,000 he owed me [under the terms of his contract],” Shanahan says. Shanahan resisted, saying, “I have a contract.” According to Shanahan , Davis replied, “I’ll get you.”
September 19th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Al Davis, whether you like him or not is the owner, GM and personnel dept of the Raiders. Is he senile, crazy, controlling, power hungry? maybe. The fact of the matter is that as long as he’s around there will be little value placed on our head coach (whoever it may be) therefore he will be paid little. The only guys to come in for the Raiders next coaching candidacy will be washed up guys nobody wants (Dennis Green, Jim Fassel) or first time head coaches (James Lofton, Rob Ryan, Tom Rathman, Greg Knapp). One thing that bugs me the most about this is that for players to excel they need stability. same coaches, playbook, schemes, players, etc. having a new offense or defense every year under a new coach isn’t going to win you any games..how are you going to improve and perfect your craft? I think Al Davis is expecting Sean Payton/Eric Mangini results in a first year head coach, which doesn’t happen very often. Now you guys can slam Al Davis and repeat the same dumb comments about him day after day, but what does that accomplish? Do you really think he’s going to step down or give his coach complete control of the team? no way! All you can do is hope for the best. Hope Al Davis lets Kiffin finish out his contract and see how much this team can improve under his guidance. If Kiffin is still the HC beginning the 2009 season we’ll likely have a new D-Cord. Hopefully one hand picked by Kiffin. Davis is cheap, which is probably at least part of the reason he didn’t want to release Ryan and all his asst coaches before their contracts were up and pay high dollar for new coaches to come to a team with a losing record the last 5 years. Say Kiff finishes 8-8 and keeps his job. Coaches are more likely to come coach a team thats 8-8 than 4-12, right? Look at all the playmakers we got on both sides of the ball. All we need to do is build up the lines. Ryan is a lot more conservative than he looks, when it comes to play calling anyways. Imagine what a coach like Jim Johnson or Dick LeBeau could do with the talent on our D! Even Gregg Williams or Monte Kiffin would have us the top 5 defense every year.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:04 am
what is going on with Curry. the guy use to have hands and now he is close to being replaced. I think he has lost his ability to concentrate on catching the ball. Jamarcus can’t afford a w/r who can’t catch, so maybe its time to look at the other w/r’s. I think he needs to be shocked into understanding that he can be replaced. He should know his job is not secured as he seems to think it is.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:18 am
I think playing for a team that has sucked monkey nuts for a long time has happened to Curry. I think it has sucked the joy out of his soul. I think Moss saw the same thing and said “time to write my own ticket outta here.”
The good lord helps those who helps themselves. Kiffin figured that out as well.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:28 am
Good Morning NATION!!! hopefully Kiff will turn Jmac loose.Hopefully our receivers can catch the ROCK.Back in July several posters in the know ststed M.Bush was like a caged bull,salivating at the chance 2 hit somebody.Well I say run him into the ground,maybe he could have the same kind of impact of a Earl Campbell,they have the same build with Campbell maybe a little stronger and Bush a little faster.RAIDERS:21 bills:17
September 19th, 2008 at 7:28 am
“The word is spreading about the Raiders and Al Davis ,” says Seattle Seahawks fullback Steve Smith, a Raider from 1987 to ‘93. “The way they collapsed last year was typical. The Raiders have had more talent than any other team the last 10 years. They should have won at least three Super Bowls during that time, but they didn’t because Al screwed everything up.”
September 19th, 2008 at 7:29 am
“There’s so much confusion there, it’s unbelievable,” says Greg Skrepenak, a Raiders tackle for the last three of their 13 years in Los Angeles and last season when the team returned to its old base, in Oakland . Skrepenak signed with the Carolina Panthers as a free agent in February. “The problems were selfishness and a lack of cohesiveness. You had guys walking out of meetings, coming in late or not showing up at all. There were guys talking back to coaches and coaches yelling at each other. You’re never really sure where the decisions are coming from, and it seems like everything’s a big secret. Ultimately the decisions fall on Al Davis .”
September 19th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Get ready Raider fans. Bend over and take it like a man cuz here comes Al.
PS: Thanks for all that jack big Al
September 19th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Davis has a history of undermining his coaches, and one source says that despite his lower profile in 1995, Davis pulled his share of power plays on White. Several times he showed up at practice and waited for White to approach him after drills. As White walked toward him, the source says, Davis walked away.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:31 am
On the front page of SI this morning
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/09/15/tracker/index.html
September 19th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Davis gave up on linebacker Matt Millen , who won Super Bowl rings with the San Francisco 49ers and the Washington Redskins after his 1989 release, and on receiver James Lofton , who was also waived in 1989 and went on to start in three Super Bowls for the Buffalo Bills . And the blame for the Raiders ‘ well documented quarterback problems can be placed largely on Davis , who traded for Jay Schroeder in ‘88 and stuck with him for five seasons, even after Schroeder was outplayed by Steve Beuerlein in ‘89. “Al wanted Jay to be the starter because Jay was the guy he brought in, and he felt Jay was more a Raider-style quarterback,” says Beuerlein, whom Davis traded to Dallas in 1991 and who now plays for Carolina.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Davis ’s treatment of Shanahan ’s successor, Hall of Famer and former Raiders tackle Art Shell , was equally heavy-handed. Sources say Davis meddled with game plans during the week and sent notes to offensive coaches requesting specific plays during games. “Some strange play would appear during a game,” Jamie Williams says, “and players would look up to the press box and say, ‘That was Al.’ ”
After hiring White to replace Shell before last season, Davis seemed to make a conscious effort to remain in the background. However, in an interview last fall, White conceded that Davis regularly faxed him plays and called him with suggestions, sometimes in the middle of the night. (White canceled an April interview with SI because, according to his assistant, he was instructed to do so by Raiders senior assistant Bruce Allen .)
September 19th, 2008 at 7:38 am
But can a team thrive in a workplace filled with confusion and paranoia, one in which team officials, according to Moss, Jamie Williams and other former players, eavesdrop on interviews and locker room conversations and report back to Davis ? “Players say the walls have ears,” Skrepenak says. “I think Al can find out information, because locker room talk always got back to the head coach.”
Nor are the coaches immune to Davis ’s snooping. Shell says two or three unnamed assistants “backstabbed” him before his firing. “You’d go into staff meetings,” says one former assistant, “and the whole thing was orchestrated for people to turn on each other. And the more you discredited people to Al, the better off you were.” According to one former assistant, Davis would use film sessions to criticize play-calling. During reviews of plays that failed, Davis would solicit an opinion from a coach who wasn’t involved in the call, and that assistant would have no choice but to criticize his coworker.
In such an environment it’s tough to sell a team concept. “We have to look at the organizations that have won Super Bowls in recent years and how they got that way,” says Raiders defensive tackle Chester McGlockton . “Then, from our owner on down, we have to get our house in order.”
September 19th, 2008 at 7:41 am
The list of those vanquished by Davis is extensive. In recent years his treatment of two employees in particular—popular trainer George Anderson and future Hall of Fame running back Marcus Allen—damaged team morale. Anderson , who had been with the Raiders since 1960, three years before Davis arrived as coach and general manager, says he was forced to retire in 1994 for refusing to do a television interview condemning a book written by former team physician Robert Huizenga. In the book Huizenga said Davis and the coaching staff pressured team doctors to clear injured players to return to action too soon. Five years earlier Huizenga had successfully treated Anderson ’s wife of 42 years for Hodgkin’s disease. “The word loyalty is bandied about much too casually in the Raiders ‘ organization,” Anderson says. “For Al Davis , loyalty means, ‘You be loyal to me. I’ll think about being loyal to you.’ ”
Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen ’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen . “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott , who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
Says Allen , who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
September 19th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Mr. Davis is prepared to turn this franchise around, just like John McCain is prepared to rescue our great economy!!
70+ YRS. OF EXPERIENCE + MAVERICK = ???
Mr. Dakota, do you know the answer?!?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:46 am
The fundamentals of this team… I mean economy… are sound!!! Just ask a maverick!
September 19th, 2008 at 7:46 am
if you are going to sail the next few days, I strongly urge you all to stay the hell away from Malacca strait..
September 19th, 2008 at 7:48 am
I just returned from the gubanatorial water closet, but I did remember to wipe my Malacca. Straight, too.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:50 am
From PFT this morning:
RAIDERS FANS WANT TO “KEEP KIFFIN”
Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2008, 9:10 a.m.
We’d like to say that we’ve decided to throw some traffic at a new web site aimed at giving Raiders fans a platform for voicing their support for coach Lane Kiffin because of honorable motivations.
Frankly, we’re doing it in order to be left alone.
We’ve been peppered with e-mails over the past 18 hours or so regarding the creation of the “Keep Kiffin” site, and we suspect that it will only get worse until we post the link to the site and invite any Raiders fans who want to keep Lane Kiffin to voice their support for him.
Beyond our own selfish interests to have less e-mail messages through which to wade, we support this move not because we think Kiffin should stay (we have no opinion at this point), bur because the franchise will be handcuffed until the situation is resolved.
As we see it, owner Al Davis either needs to fire Kiffin or to state publicly that he won’t be fired. The dark cloud of uncertainty isn’t good for anyone, and the longer it lingers the more likely it will be that Raiders fans find something else to do with their shrinking discretionary income, and their scant free time.
The movement is picking up steam Nation Collective, we need to continue making noise until it reaches Goodell.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:51 am
1. Davis ’ abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his sho3s. “I saw him make someone wipe his sho3s in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan , who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
“If you don’t do what he says to do, when he says to do it, you’re on the (sheet) list,” Steve Smith says. Tight end Jamie Williams, who spent 1994, the last of his 12 NFL seasons, with the Raiders, likens Davis to an “ev1l emperor. There’s no one to challenge him because he’s surrounded by yes men.”
September 19th, 2008 at 7:53 am
I tried posting that last part of the article 10 times and you know what the problem was? It wouldn’t let me post the word sho3s, lol. Can you believe that sheet? Sho3s as in footwear, lol.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Well, after reading all those stories from named sources, I think it paints a pretty good picture of our beloved Al Davis.
He is a pr1ck.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Dakota,
That SportsIllustrated article is unbelievable! The stuff Davis is pulling just isn’t right. Thank goodness that Kiffin has exposed this nonsense.
Great job on the keepKiffin website and other initiatives. I am sending an email to ESPN to get some on air mention.
We know that the Raiders Execs are reading the media based on Hererra passing out that ESPN article slamming Kiffin. So we also can infer that they are reading the tea leaves on blogs like this, t.v and new websites.
Keep Kiffin — Beat the Bills
September 19th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Well, I guess the Karma gods finally caught up with poor Al Davis. He can no longer swagger into the locker room and drop a towel at his feet and make someone clean his sho3s, now he has to drop a towel on his lap and hope that someone cleans the pi$$ off his thighs and the drool off his chin.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Don’t be so hard on the maverick, Mr. Dakota! All those nasty old remarks were from people Mr. Davis had terminated. Sorta like that police chief I forced out up in Alaska!! [smile]
Do I smell grapes that are sour?! I think I do!! [smile]
September 19th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Mass defection! It’s the only way. Threaten the Raiders income, hit them in the wallet is the only we the fans can get their attention!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Sure, everyone is lying except Al Davis, lol. Get a fuking grip.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Surrounded by Yes men. HA HA HA!!!!
Sounds like he has the same problem Michael Jackson does. Nobody around him to say no Al you can’t do that. How pathetic is this team.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Somebody in the organization needs to spike the ensure Al drinks every day. I also would like to see a pair of fuzzy dice hanging from his walker.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:09 am
There is a MySpace page too….Keep Kiffin, Fire Al
September 19th, 2008 at 8:09 am
we had two incidents in the malacca strait this morning, nothing happened eventually, but as I understand it it was pretty close.. 3 war ships was ordered to aid those two incidents, that scared them off =)
September 19th, 2008 at 8:12 am
LMN,
The needed 3 warships??? I would’ve sent in Al with his walker in an inflatable
September 19th, 2008 at 8:13 am
#254: When you are a maverick, many folks will lie about you. Especially after they feel the downside of your maverick decisions.
The fundamentals of this team are as sound as our great economy!! [smile...pause...smile]
September 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am
….Robert E. Lee , despite being vastly outnumbered, routinely found ways to soundly defeat the Army of the Potomac…This isn’t to suggest that Kiffin is in the same company, but if he can,.. somehow,…continue to win, his postponed departure will pay dividends for our young players as well as brighten his resume….
September 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am
ABA..
LOL, yeah we just wanted them away not to come back stronger and beat us later =)
September 19th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Free at last, free at last, thank GOD allmighty we’er free at last.
Lane has been fired!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Vote Malacca/Palin in 08!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Robert E. Lee was quite a maverick!!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:18 am
CB..
you don’t now what the malacca strait is??
September 19th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Ed Hochuli is gaining my respect…he is receiving hate filled e-mails and he is responding to them all with an apology.
Time to let up on Ed and simply move forward discharger fans…it’s not like this was as bad as a made up rule in the playoffs.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Robert E Lee Still lost the war,…
September 19th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Dakota..
did you read PFT’s piece about him? it was quite good, I laughed my butt off when I read this..
“Part of the problem, as we see it, is that Hochuli has allowed himself to become a celebrity in a profession typically made up of guys who shun the spotlight. His physique, demeanor, and voice make him come off less like a pointy-headed rules stickler and more like a retired superhero who had “work for the NFL” on his bucket list.”
profootballtalk.com/2008/09/18/will-hochuli-be-able-to-still-do-the-job/
September 19th, 2008 at 8:24 am
LMN,
Well sure I do! I can see Kuala Lumpur from my house!! [smile]
September 19th, 2008 at 8:26 am
aha
September 19th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Raider Nation: Come together and send Al a message:
http://www.keepkiffin.com/
September 19th, 2008 at 8:28 am
I can see Koala Lump Piles from my house.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Mr. Buck,
Losing is not the point to a maverick!! Haven’t you read through the comment section here? Mavericks make decisions on GUTS and channel BLAME to where it belongs!! Like that SEC guy John wants to fire!! In your heart of hearts don’t you know the tanking economy is his fault?!?
September 19th, 2008 at 8:31 am
I have a dream.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:32 am
It is to win the Super Bowl…again
September 19th, 2008 at 8:34 am
CB
You can only protect yourself for so long. Then you start coming apart at the seams.
Just because you are a Maverick, doesn’t make you right. It would seem that money makes you right.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:34 am
AS an Oakland RAIDER.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:35 am
With Al Davis
September 19th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Kiffin is now rumored to be interested in the University of Washington head coach gig, asumming Ty Willingham is on the way out.
I can’t understand why you guys would want to “keep” a guy who clearly DOESN’T WANT TO BE HERE.
Just Win Baby.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Mr. Dakota,
That whole shoe cleaning story is just a bunch of moosepoop from the liberal sports media. The Raiders staff was begging to do it!. If you were in Mr. Davis’ presence, wouldn’t you kneel and anoint his feet with a servant’s hand!?
September 19th, 2008 at 8:39 am
CB I’m not Dakota but, only if he was paying me 10 mill a year.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Mr. Buck,
Your logic is on a bridge to nowhere!! Thanks but no thanks!! Being a maverick means not caring what is right!!
Try to think outside of my box!! [smile]
September 19th, 2008 at 8:41 am
FIRE KIFFIN — First read this article at link below and let me know what you think of AD’s ownership style
vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/4/index.htm
To your point on the UW job: It would appear to me that Lane Kiffin is being prudent about managing his career. If the organization is saying that he will be fired anytime, AND, there is nothing he can do to change this, should he not look for other opportunities.
I think he wants to be here! I think he enjoys being a head coach and he has a plan. Freekn Al is more interested in losing games than in winning..and the truth is, its been like that for a long time……
September 19th, 2008 at 8:43 am
CB the trouble with the box is people are winning games in there, and that’s what we need to be doing!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:44 am
FIRE KIFFIN
Did you start that rumor? I haven’t read that anywhere…I have however read a quote strait from Kiffin saying “I want to be here”. Anyway, when you work for a senile power hungry old fool, then what’s wrong with having a couple of back up plans? I would.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Out of curiosity, I know many Raider players rallied to support Steve Smith with his ALS, but did Al Davis do anything? After those unkind words, I wonder if Al still helped him…
anyone know about this?
I am looking for ways to redeem Al.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:45 am
S&B
You took the words right out of my mouth.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:48 am
After reading that SI story, I think Al might be headed toward an eternity of cleaning the sho3s of Mike Shanahan and all the other people Al sheet on.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:50 am
I think the team shows up and puts in a good effort this week in spite of all the attention on Kiffin. With all the focus on the coach the players can go on with their business , playing football.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am
fire kiffin…
if EVERY media outlet reported i was getting fired, i’d be looking for “new oppurtunities” as well. what’s so wrong with that.
if kiffin DIDN’T want to be there, he would have quit, or not accepted the gig.
IT’S AL DAVIS WHO DOESN’T WANT HIM THERE.
kiffin is gruden2.0, and al can’t stand the idea of sharing some of the spotlight.
http://www.keepkiffin.com
September 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am
IF WE BEAT BUFFALO
I think we should keep Kiffin regardless but if we beat Buffalo he should be given a contract extension on the spot.
Think.
We will be facing a playoff caliber team on the road.
Buffalo has beaten two playoff teams.
Our #1 RB is out
Our #2 RB is dinged
Our #1 WR hasn’t played all year and is dinged
our #2 WR (Carter) is on IR
our #1 LT is injured
Our team is distracted by the herrera / taylor rumor mill (guess we know who those two “sources” are)
Our big time DT is coming off an arrest
Our QB will be making his 2nd road start
Our HB will be making his first start
Our LT will be making his 2nd start
Our #3 WR and a guy we signed two weeks ago start at WR
Heck, take away Addai, Harrison, Wayne and Indy’s LT and they wouldn’t win in Buffalo. If the Raiders win Kiffin should get an extension on the spot.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Al Davis is a j.o.o., what do you expect?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Coach on Wheels,
Those are facts that the Davis Chaebol doesn’t want to deal with facts. They are busy prepping Jim Fassell, James Lofton and Rob Ryan on the finer points of play calling from the booth.,
September 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am
unreal
September 19th, 2008 at 9:02 am
I would release Walker if he has anything less than a decent game i.e. 4-5 catches for 65yrds and a TD. I know thats asking a lot for a guy making that kind of jack.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:03 am
FIRE KIFFIN – You still don’t get it.
As long as Kiffin is on termination watch at Oakland, his name will get mentioned in every story about coaching vacancies.
The first story (Ark?) over the offseason started when some talking head on bspn threw Kiffin’s name up. Kiffin didn’t apply for the job. His name was mentioned in regards to Syracuse last week.
Kiffin is rumored to be interested… Where do you think it comes from? Kiffin tells ________ he’s interested, who tells _____ and so on until it hits bspn?
RUMOR and SPECULATION.
Shoot, I SPECULATE Kiffin will be hired by KC next season to become the next Shannyham. Run with it.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:03 am
The most surprising thing about that article was the fact that Al Davis knew how to use a fax back in 1995…or that he even had a fax machine at that point. Remember what Lombardi said about there being no computers, lol. What a joke.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Na Al gave some one a towel and told them to fax it!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Al Davis made the Raiders what it is today. Well,… I submit to you, what is it?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:06 am
i hate to be negative but i reallt dont think we got a chance in hell with our key injuries and our PATHETIC WR whos milking 11mil from us like moss did.i hope im wrong but history has shown to me that just when im in, it goes to sh!t and im back in the pissed off saddle again……
September 19th, 2008 at 9:08 am
And what team is going to show up? The one that played Denver, or the one that played KC?
KIffin needs a big day on Sunday.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:12 am
I love this about him…….Nothing like a biatch slap in the face to the media for all the horsecrap they give him…..small but speaks volumes…..
For the first time this week Lane Kiffin didn’t have to answer one question about his job security, his relationship with defensive coordinator Rob Ryan or owner Al Davis. In a welcomed respite from the drama, Kiffin was actually able to concentrate on football.
“You guys alright?,” Kiffin joked with reporters after no one asked him a question in
September 19th, 2008 at 9:13 am
reference to his job. “Is everything OK?”
September 19th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Football 365….Predictions:
Thread 5: “Prediction Time” (Posted Sept. 18, 10:18 a.m. EST time)
Thread maker: “Bills: 27, Raiders: 13.”
Next seven predictors: Bills 30, Raiders 7 … Bills 24, Raiders 13 … Bills 41, Raiders 10 …Bills 38, Raiders 10 …Bills 47, Raiders 9 … Bills 31, Raiders 9 …Bills 37, Raiders 10.
Total: Bills 275, Raiders 81
Mine: Raiders 23, Bills 21.
Wait, let me try that one again. I mean business.
MINE: Raiders 23, BILLS 21.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Mr. Dakota,
Avoiding computers is a surefire sign he is a maverick. Ask John!! He does not use computers, yet still is enough of a maverick to invent the BlackBerry!!
As we all know from the convention, John had his computer-using-parts crushed in prison in Hanoi (like I know where THAT is!!). So if you mention he only understands 80s technology you are not putting COUNTRY FIRST you unpatriotic heathen!!! [sneer, and finger wag]
September 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
AHHHHHHHHHHHH The Bleacher Report……Facts Facts Facts……
I’ll focus on the NFL draft for one. Let’s look at the 2003 draft, after Al traded Head Coach Jon Gruden for draft picks. Let’s look at how those picks were used.
1 (31) Nnamdi Asomugha, CB California
1 (32) Tyler Brayton, DE Colorado
2 (63) Teyo Johnson, TE Stanford
3 (83) Sam Williams, LB/DE Fresno State
3 (96) Justin Fargas, RB Southern California
4 (129) Shurron Pierson, DE South Florida
5 (167) Doug Gabriel, WR Central Florida
6 (204) Dustin Rykert, OT Brigham Young
7 (246) Siddeeq Shabazz, SS New Mexico State
7 (262) Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus
10 picks in the draft, five selections in the first 100 picks, and the Raiders have two starters, three still on the roster, and six that are no longer in the league.
I like CB Nnamdi Asomugha, but I can’t understand how a team with two first-round picks can pass on WR Anquan Boldin and DE Osi Umenyiora in favor of DE Tyler Brayton.
In the second round, in need of a TE and OLB, the team passed on TE Jason Witten and OLB Lance Briggs in favor of TE Teyo Johnson.
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Stink finger
September 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Javon Walker…Now that is one guy that is hoping that Kiffin gets the boot!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:20 am
leave the gun take the canoli
September 19th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Hey Dakota,
I just got some bad Karma off my chest bro, so I think it is gonna help this weekend……..I had the heebie jeebies about a cell phone that was accidentally put in my stuff during one of my photo shoots and the lady called me but I lost her number. I didn’t really make an effort to call her back, and I think it is my fault we lost so bad against Denver.
The big man upstairs must have known there was some guilt on my part and had another lady send me an email today, regarding a seperate subject, but she has the capabilities of getting in touch with the woman who lost her phone…
I feel better and I think it is gonna feed our mojo for this Sunday!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Great post 292, this loss on sunday might seal Kiffin’s fate, too bad cause were headed in the right direction. I think that he will be fired after the fourth game, we should be 1-3, And Ryan “THE VAGINA” takes over. Then what ?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:25 am
NC-Chaos,
I’m sure that Teyo Johnson probably had a better 40 time than Witten…you know that can’t miss statistic.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:27 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Kevin-Hench?authorId=231
September 19th, 2008 at 9:27 am
I think all we fans need to temper our expectations and not get too wrapped up in what will happen this season. Enjoy the games win or lose but do not expect victories. Don’t set ourselves up for a downer. THis is not about “team loyalty”, this is about being smart.
It is now very clear that, as in any decaying corporation, the incompetents in the Raiders organization are doing what incompetents do in all organizations, they are wasting time, effort and company resources on meaningless office politics. This is how incompetent people fight to stay employed because they have no other employable skills.
It is true of empires of old too when corrupt officials had the ears of a weak emperor and in the process, destroyed the empire from within. Davis reminds me of just such an “emperor” or dictator. He surrounds himself with yes-people, listens only to them, and lives in a Raiders-Reality-Distortion field, completely out of touch with the real world.
I think Davis is done as a leader whether he knows it or not. I believe the Raiders, once a proud and profitable business that cared about its fans, is also done as long as Davis remains at the helm. As a team, Raiders’ demise will be agonizingly slow for the fans. I think the decline and decay will continue until the team loses so much money to force a sale. Only then will we see meaningful improvements.
So do not set yourself up for a fall on Sundays. Enjoy the game for what it is, just another entertainment business. Remember that you are paying money for a ticket to enjoy a full day at the park and share fun with fellow fans, win or lose. Don’t let all that get into your heart and ruin your day.
Take care all!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Yup….He sure ran his own azz out of the league didn’t he….
LOL you look up his name in a search engine and his picture comes up as a ghost with a question mark on it!
Just like the vision in the Tyrants head right now!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Our whole front office sucks, face it Al Davis lost it. He has too many enemies, from Marcus Allen to Shanarat to Gruden to Bruce Allen to Tom Jackson, and many more. He has to put somebody who is really gifted to turn this around from the top to bottom, I say make John Madden the GM, at least he’s still current on, how to win in the nfl.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:33 am
http://WWW.KEEPKIFFIN.COM
SIGN THE PETETION!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:33 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6919640
September 19th, 2008 at 9:33 am
“As to why Davis hasn’t pulled the trigger already despite his reported unhappiness, maybe he hasn’t finished scouring the bed and breakfasts of America to find his next offensive coordinator. Is there a single person in Raider Nation who is happy that Al is still calling the shots?”
_____________________________________________________
Well, there is Brien, Willie, BHP…..FIRE KIFFIN…..who else?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I think he must fire somebody, but not Kiffin. Do you realize how ahead of the game we would be if Al let Kiffin fire Vagina Ryan last year. We would now have a another scheme on defense that actually stops the run!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:42 am
“Bills left tackle Jason Peters won’t get a break while trying to return to full game shape Sunday. Peters will line up opposite Raiders end Derrick Burgess, who hopes to keep up his recent run as one of the league’s premier pass rushers.”
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6623
Shhhhhh, don’t tell the Bills that Burgess plays LDE…they are fooled by Rob Ryan’s illogic.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:42 am
321: Me and John!!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am
this is the link i saw earlier http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl#
September 19th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Filet – You’re right.
I treat the once proud Raiders like an ex-wife. I give up money and get nothing in return. I expect disappointment and on those 4 times a year something good happens I’m pleasantly surprised.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:06 am
MR Says:
September 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am
“Brien, I just like Entourage because I worked in Hollywood for a brief time.”
LMFAO!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Post 320 — James Lofton, Jim Fassell, Willie Brown and all retread coaches everywhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if Davis brought in Greg Robinson from Syracuse…
September 19th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Morning NATION!
I wanna make Big AL clean my sho3s!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:09 am
does anyone else hate the fact that we get so much information about injuries in the news: like which foot of mcfadden’s has the turf toe, or what part is aching on someone else? i’m sure that’s more information than is required to be disclosed for the injury reports. why tell the other team info they can use to know where the wound/injury is? even if you have a steel plate…
September 19th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Post 329 — Injury reports keeps the folks in Vegas happy and all the millions of people that gamble in parley sheets, Vegas bets or personal bets with friends
Gambling turns million of casual fans into passionate fans.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:12 am
LMN adds ‘Fu©k Forever’ to the playlist and let the speakers blast!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:14 am
“Sgt. Hulka won’t always be here to be that big toe…”
September 19th, 2008 at 10:15 am
KK #315, Very depressing post, but true I’m afraid. The Dysfunction/Dementia seems to get worse every year.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:18 am
kennyking,
You hit the nail right on the head in regards to your comments about what is going on within the Raider bizarro world of running a front office.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:25 am
that article on FOX about the looney Al Davis is sad but hilarious!
I told you the old man should be in the looney bin…i’m tired of his irrational, incompetent BS!
He must be a masochist! LOL
September 19th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Dakota Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 9:42 am
“Bills left tackle Jason Peters won’t get a break while trying to return to full game shape Sunday. Peters will line up opposite Raiders end Derrick Burgess, who hopes to keep up his recent run as one of the league’s premier pass rushers.”
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=6623
“Shhhhhh, don’t tell the Bills that Burgess plays LDE…they are fooled by Rob Ryan’s illogic.”
Dakota
This is the first year that I have seen Burgess line up on both sides, not strictly LDE. I expect more of the same…
September 19th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I don’t care if Kiffin stays or goes. I just want the players to know who thier coach will be on Sundays. I don’t want a head coach who has to look over his shoulder after every loss or comment to the media. Either Kiffin & Davis need to kiss and make up or Kiffin needs to go so we can move on with our lives.
To the guys who want to keep Kiffin and get rid of Al Davis: you’re not a true Raiders fans. Go cheer for the next team Kiffin coaches. You’re loyal to a guy who has 5 wins over a guy that has 3 super bowl trophies? stupid. Davis needs a GM he can trust that can make everyone happy: owner, coaches and players. And don’t compare Gruden to Kiffin either. Chucky won the SB and Kiffin’s gameplans thus far from what i’ve seen have been vanilla and predictable. Thats why Shanny tore us up. He found a way to attack the offense & defense. If you want to give credit where it’s due for the running game (the only thing we got going on offense) give it where it’s due. Tom Cable & Tom Rathman. Davis selected Fargas, Bush & McFadden – not Kiff.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:28 am
After the success of Invincible, the NFL is looking to make a movie about the Raiders.
Lloyd Bridges will play Al Davis much like he played the President in Hot Shots!
Emilio Estavez plays Lane Kiffin.
Scene : Al and Kiffin in Al’s office
Al: You know what’s wrong with this team?
Kiffin: No sir.
Al: No energy! Look out there! They’re hardly moving.
Kiffin: That’s a picture sir.
Al: Kenny! Ken! Snake! Throw the ball man!
Kiffin: It’s a photo from 77 sir.
Al: Don’t let them hold the ball so long! He’s been holding it all day! Branch has to be open.
Kiffin: I’ll look into it sir.
Al: Okay (Kiffin exits) Kenny! Throw the ball!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Anyone else ticked off about Javon Walker. We saw this coming from the moment it was announced he would be signed
September 19th, 2008 at 10:30 am
RICH GANNON FOR GM!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am
sometimes the entire thing boggles the mind, the complaints from y’all and from HC about the situation in Alameda.
having lived myself among the poorest of the poor in Asia and having been shown hospitality by the downtrodden of five continents I find it difficult to buy the reality of “woe is me” from Kid Kiff and the various fans on this site who bark about giving Kid Lane all the power in the world.
Stress is hacking into the brown earth waiting for rains that may or may not come now that the climate is changing in order to attempt to feed your loved ones.
“Pressure”, as Lee Trevino put it “is not about sinking a putt to win a major golf championship. Pressure is when you are betting on 18 holes of golf in a foursome and you don’t have any money in your pocket.”
Kiffie is being paid millions of dollars to do something which is of no consequence to anything essential for anyone. It is entertainment. Hell, in his position I’d be laughing inside at whatever anyone threw my way. Bring it on.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am
COW -
Lloyd Bridges has been dead for a couple of years…oh wait that means he would be perfect to play Al Davis.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am
nice post M
September 19th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Some people don’t understand that we as Raider lifers are sick and tired of Al’s BS the last 5 years, we want the team to be competitive and whenever we see a glimpse of daylight, “floggin” Al comes in and we take two steps back. Have you seen are record the last five years? I’m sick and tired of it because it all goes back to Al’s decisions and pressure on the coaches.LET KIFFIN COACH THE DAMN TEAM!!!! If that means telling Ryan how to coach, so be it….. Let Kiffin succeed or fail on his own, you might be suprised……
September 19th, 2008 at 10:35 am
RaiderRockstar!
You make the same mistake so many do on this blog. One can respect and appreciate and value Al’s successes and his contributions to the NFL and to our team. but if you’re going to invoke history to support one’s allegience to Al, then you have to also see the past 5 year and look at that history. And that is not good. And if part of the problem is that no one wants to work for Al, then that responsibilty is with Al.
Few are advocating dump Al, keep Kiffin. But many want Kiffin to stay because he seems to be turning this very floundering ship around, he’s kept the players through a tough year last year and he’s bringing our franchise players along. He’s not perfect and he’s not infallible, but we think he should stay AND HAVE AL’S PUBLLIC SUPPORT!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I want to see our WR’s actually make plays this week. No dop balls that hits you right in the hands and some rollouts early to bring more confidence to JR. Pound the ball with Mike Bush. This is going to be his coming out Party! Raiders 24- Bills 20
RRRRRRAIDERRRRRRRS!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:35 am
“To the guys who want to keep Kiffin and get rid of Al Davis: you’re not a true Raiders fans” – No TRUE Raider fans like losing.
Are you a RAIDERS fan or an Al fan?
See, when Stabler got to old, or Brown or any other great, it was okay to say they needed to leave for the good of the Raiders. Al needs to go for the good of the Raiders. By “go” he doesn’t have to sell. Just be like 90% of the NFL owners and let people do their jobs.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:36 am
nation collective,
Yep! That draft was huge and Davis AND Ryan screwed that up.
Should have kept Brayton at DE instead mind screwing him and experiementing with him as a 3-4 OLB?
Should have kept Sam Williams as a pass rushing DE, instead of moving him to SAM LB spot?? IDIOTIC!
Drafting Teyo in the 2nd round was a reach obviously….I like Teyo, but they could have got him later and the also mind screwed him also….they should have kept him as a SLOT WR or HB.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:37 am
fu©king Ryder Cup.. it means we won’t get teh early game sunday night..
September 19th, 2008 at 10:38 am
COACHONWHEELS,
Exactly….some of these guys continue to be in love with old man Al..when it is OBVIOUS he is hurting the whole organization and stunting the growth of the team.
He has lost his marbles!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:39 am
kennyking says only a sale of the team would facilitate change. If only that were possible.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:39 am
COW..
thanks, then I don’t have to say it..
September 19th, 2008 at 10:40 am
RaiderRockstar == And who is our QB, who is making his 4th start of his career, supposed to throw the ball to? How do you manage a QB who is a rookie.
Opening up the playbook and taking 7step drops ain’t going to cut it!
Kiffin only has 5 wins. But the talent level last year was, well, not optimal:
1. Starting QB is now a 3rd string backup
2. Other starting QB is out of the league “earlier than expected”
3. The rookie QB wasn’t signed by the front office until the 1st week of the year and missed training camp
4. Starting Free Safety is out of the league (in his 4th year)
5. Strong safety was playing out of position
6. Starting left tackle is now a backup with the 49ers
7. Starting Center is now a backup with SD
8. Starting running back is now 3rd string in NE
9. SLB is out of the league
This year he has to contend with Javon Walker’s B.S…That’s the biggest gap right now.
Let’s give Kiffin at least his contract to see what happens before we go back to that time tested Bed & Breakfast Offense you AD guys are clamoring for
September 19th, 2008 at 10:42 am
you are all a bunch of suckas, C.O.W. I’m looking in your direction…
September 19th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Dogg – I know Lloyd is RIP. So’s Emilio’s career but Lloyd was still perfect for the part.
Maybe the guy who plays J Jonah Jameson in Spider Man.
Al: The man is a menace!
Trask: He’s helping people sir.
Al: If he’s helping why doesn’t he wear Raider gear?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:43 am
nice post M #341
Kiffin doesn’t have a say on personnel or staffing? Doesn’t put together the defensive gameplan? that’s less for him to worry about. He’s a young guy with no NFL experience and no head coaching experience. His job is to put together an offensive gameplan. Put the best guys in and have them execute. score points. He even has a helper in Gregg Knapp. do your job Kiff! $2 million is more than you were making as an asst at USC. This is your shot to prove yourself. Don’t blow it by talking trash in the media about fellow coaches, players or the owner. You wonder why people & players don’t respect him? That should be dealt with internally! How is he supposed to tell Walker & Hall not to run their mouths to the media if he’s doing the same thing?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Hey Tyrant……..Message to the Tyrant…………
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
You feelin us?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Oh man….BED AND BREAKFAST OFFENSE WILL DESTROY JAMACUS RUSSELL AND THE WHOLE OFFENSE IN GENERAL….AGAIN! Lets all pray that doesn’t happen!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:46 am
GRUDEN MAD AT CLAYTON FOR DECLARING HIMSELF A STARTER
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 19, 2008, 11:43 a.m.
Buccaneers wide receiver Michael Clayton said on Wednesday that he’s ready to enter the starting lineup in place of the injured Joey Galloway.
Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden would like Clayton to know that the coach is the one who determines who’s playing and who’s not. Stephen Holder of the St. Petersburg Times reports that when Gruden addressed reporters, he took a swipe at Clayton for speaking too soon.
“A couple players have already spoken that [Galloway is] not going [to play], but I’ll make that decision, okay?” Gruden said. “I’ll decide who starts, too. As long as I have the title here as head coach, I’ll do that.”
Man, I miss that Chucky attitude. In way, Kiffin reminds me of Gruds. He will probably be out the door just like Gruden.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Look, no one can make a determination after to games that JMarc can’t be a NFL QB. Thanks just plan stupid.
Troy Akmin’s 12th start in Dallas had these stats.
Comp-Att-Int 9-25-3 68yrds in a 0-35 shutout
Dallas was actually shut out 3 times his first year.
John Elways 1st start on the road,
Comp-Att-Int 5-16-1 1yrd (YES, ONE YARD)
Dan Marino 1st road start
Comp-Att-Int 9-23-0 26yrds
Get my point?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:47 am
RaiderDogg,
thanks.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
sorry that should be two, not “to”
September 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
COW
Lloyd Bridges was too nice of a guy to play Al Davis. What about James Caan as Al. Emelio is too old to play Kiff, how about Keifer Sutherland?
Emelio Estevez was stellar in Repo Man.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
The GM hasn’t spoken with him in two weeks, so how is he supposed to handle these personnel problems internally?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
is there any college football worth watching tonight?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am
McRaider,
Exactly….people who expect Russell to throw the ball 40 times a game and go deep every down in his first year HAVE LOST THERE MARBLES JUST AL DAVIS HAS!! LOL
September 19th, 2008 at 10:50 am
New post!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:51 am
RaiderRockStar,
good perspective in post 356
September 19th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Those who want to take the team away from Al Davis aren’t even being realistic. Al Davis is the owner and his life is The Raiders. He isn’t going to sell for any amount of money. The league isn’t going to take the team away and if they tried they would get their butts handed to them in court. Having a bad team for awhile isn’t grounds to take a team away and if it were they would have had to have taken Tampa Bay, Cinncinatti, and St. Louis away in the relative recent past, and there is no way that group is going to be able to raise the billion plus dollars it would take even if they could force a sell.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:53 am
nobody likes losing. see Al’s motto “Commitment to Excellence”. Am I a fan of Al Davis or the Raiders? They kind of go hand in hand. Al Davis is the Raiders. Can any of you tell me you were a Raider fan before Davis became owner? I’d be a Raider fan even if we finish with 4 wins each year for the next 5 years. That’s called being loyal to a team. If Davis steps down, i’ll still be a Raider fan. If he doesn’t and we start winning again all you haters are going to change your tune. Winning cures everything, as they say.
I agree with most points in posts 344, 345 & 347. Let the coaches coach, let the execs do their jobs and publicly state whether the rumors are true or false.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:54 am
7 above .500 seasons in the last 21 years.
No Super Bowls EVER without a GM helping build the team (Wolf / Allen)
Tied for most 11 loss seasons in a row (5).
6 playoff appearances in 21 years
19 wins in 5 years
He can’t even get it right on draft day after the fact. Leinhart over Huff. Hey, Leinhart stinking it up.
The Davis legacy is going down the drain. If he showed the smarts to back off, he would help his legacy.
“Haters” aren’t making Al look bad. He’s doing it all on his own.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I find it ironic that there has been a website constructed to “Keep Kiffin” yet it seems to me that he is trying to get fired.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:56 am
RaiderRockstar,
I am with you 100%
Al is the closest thing this leauge ever seen to a footbal GOD.
Al for life!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:57 am
if JMarc had a WR like Tim Brown on the team, he would be doing much better. Our WR are so average it’s pathetic.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:57 am
I didn’t see many names from here on the keepkiffen.com comment section. Come on fellas, whether you like Lane or not, at least for this season we need him for 16 games, go sign the petition!!
September 19th, 2008 at 10:58 am
M post 341
You have the right perspective on things. Every thing except “now that the climate is changing.” The only thing that has ever been consistant about this earth climate is that it has been in a constant state of change since the world began.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:59 am
COW, many, many teams would trade thier stats for the list.
Only one thing matters each year, WINNING the Super Bowl.
If you do not win it all, you are a loser! 31 teams each year end up losers!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Dallsa, San Deigo, Green Bay, Carolina, Minasota, Seatel
They can’t toutch that
September 19th, 2008 at 11:02 am
If there is any truth to the letter thing in the off season then Kiffin asked to be fired so that he could get paid his full contract, but didn’t want to quit and not get paid. It seems like he has been trying to get fired ever since but doesn’t want to do anything that will keep him from being paid.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Other than the fact he is old and owned the team in 1983 when 25 years ago they won a super bowl, why should Al keep running the team?
There is an abundance of evidence he needs to step aside and be a silent partner.
Why can’t you “real fans” come up with any good reason he should stay in charge?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 am
RESPECT
He earned it!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Is there a petition circulating in St Louis to keep Scott Linehan as HC? He has a much better W/L record than Kiffin at 14-20 as opposed to Kiff’s 5-13 career record.
Why soooo much effort to keep an immature coach that has yet to prove anything except that he doesn’t take any responsibilty for his teams woes, unlike Linehan? Kiffin has yet to show that he is anything but a glorified college assistant that points fingers at everyone but himself…
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Vegas you throwing down any jack on the game?
Wiz 76 SB is the goal but you cant tell me going 4-12 is the same as a team that made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.. @ least their fans had fun durring a winning season!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Has Al Davis lost his mystique? possibly. Yes, there have been a lot of bonehead moves and lack there ofs during the last 5 years. It’s easy to point that out when you’re losing. Everybody who has actually spoken to Mr. Davis says he knows more about football than anyone. Hall, DMC, Kiffin (when hired) and Ryan. So how can you say he’s lost his mind? clearly he hasn’t. The man is 79 years old. I’d be surprised if he didn’t slow down a little. If we don’t make the playoffs this year or next I imagine he’ll give the team to his son. His son has already been doing a lot of his leg work trying to find a place to build a new stadium
September 19th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Wiz
We haven’t won a SB in 25 years so by your definition, Al is a loser. Actually, if we use your definition 3 SBs almost 45 years isn’t so great.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:08 am
408,
It IS the same!
I have fun EVERY year. Nothing is worse than the last game of the year, every year you don’t win it all!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Ok,..I have been up all night on Norco and vino,..battling it,…anyway, I signed the website comment section to support the coach….maybe it will make a difference.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:09 am
RaiderKoolAid,
yes, climate in flux, when taken in Geologic time perspective is something that has always taken place. My particular reference in this case was from the farmers’ viewpoint, as in within the memory of a few generations there could be something relatively reliable with regards to rainy seasons and dry seasons. I have spoken with the people who work the earth for a living in farflung places and they have told me that their ability count on the coming of the rains at a certain time of year has drastically altered within the past couple of decades.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:09 am
To keep changing coaches every time there is a losing season is kinda like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Then should we have ousted him 25 years ago?
Where is the line in the sand?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Coach on Wheels, it doesn’t matter whether you are right or not that Al Davis should step down because he is the owner and the only person that could make him step down is he himself.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:10 am
408: I usually don’t bet on or against the Raiders, so won’t be touching it. Tempted to tease them up to maybe 13, but the Packers +3 is my big play this weekend. Will be at the Hilton to support the squad since it’s not on local TV.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Wiz -
GB, Dallas and Tampa have all won SBs since 83. Carolina an expansion team and Seattle have played in them. What would they trade for?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am
COW, because he owns the team. Some losers here call me an Al Davis shill, but the reality of it is I understand you can fire the players, the coaches, the staff, the concession people, the parking attendants, but you can’t fire an owner. If the owner of your local coffee shop keeps effing up your drink order but somehow really enjoys making coffee drinks and doesn’t see anything wrong, your only choices are to go with it, or go to a different coffee shop. Or bitch like a woman.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:15 am
There perspective of the last couple of decades does not take into account of what has typically happened over geological time. Civilazations have come and gone over the past several thousands of years because of changing weather patterns.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am
No!
Silver and Black 4 life
September 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Oakglenn, you suck Al’s ballz like a woman, so I would watch who you are calling a woman, lol.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:19 am
# WIZ 76 Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:08 am
408,
It IS the same!
I have fun EVERY year. Nothing is worse than the last game of the year, every year you don’t win it all!
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I disagree bro.. I had way more fun @ the games and tailgating while gruden was here than I have lately.. I get you point Im just saying It sucks when we cant even get a win in our own CASA!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:19 am
good posts.. 389, 390, 391 & 394
well said
September 19th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Hey Crickets
Speaking of ballz, try having some and post under your regular name you lil girl!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:19 am
So what if I suck Al’s balls!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Wiz – YOU SAID (not me) that the SB is the only definition of winning. Using YOUR definition, Al is a loser. Make of it what you will.
You and other Al lackeys want to redefine what is acceptable to suit Al. Fine. Art Shell was just as successful as Gruden. Todd Marinovich was as good as Jeff Hostetler? You claim 4-12 is just as good as 12-4 and losing in the playoffs? Please.
Still waiting to hear how Al running the Raiders is good for the team.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:21 am
COW
you have made it abundantly clear what your feelings are regarding Al, but what about Kiffin? Just curious…
September 19th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I am the biggest troll on this site and I can suck whatever balls I want!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Art are you posting as OG again?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am
408 408 408 408
September 19th, 2008 at 11:25 am
408 408 408 408 yeah!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:26 am
fuk! lats try 408 408 408
September 19th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Oak -
First, I don’t personally have the power to cut Walker or trade Moss or anything else. The idea that we can’t make it happen so why talk about it is antithesis to this blog.
What’s silly is it okay to point out how Stu, Moss, Jordan, Sims etc…should go for the good of the team but don’t mention Al!
Again, ownership is irrelevant. He should “go” from activly managing the team.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:28 am
The bottom line is winning football games; starting with the Buffalo Bills. Davis doesn’t care about winning games. If he did, he would announce that Kiffin is the coach and let him get through the year and then evaluate him. Davis has been exposed big time over the last week or so. Media, ex-players, ex-staff, ex-coaches and the Raider Nation itself.
The only thing anyone here wants is to win football games. To do that, the coach needs authority to do his job! This campus intrigue is why a Javon Walker can get away with the raw and uncut B.S that he has been able to get away with since he was signed.
Keep Kiffin! No Bed & Breakfast! Mix in the Blitz!
Go Raiders beat the Bills!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Hey MR
Entourage? Honestly? LMFAO!
How can you sit there behind your keyboard and talk smack about a show that I enjoy, and you come in here talking about Entourage? That show is for losers who can only dream and wish that they were part of the Hollywood “scene”. Now that is PATHETIC! The funny thing is you actually admitted it.
Let me guess, you must have several posters of Kevin Dillon hanging in your basement or is Jeremy Piven your guy?
LMFAO!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Its pretty sad how the Media uses the worse pic ever of Al.
And they use it all the time to mock and belittle him.
And some people wonder why Al wont have anything to with the media.
I will sink on Als ship with him.
Once he leaves we wont be the Raiders anymore.
We will be just another team in the circus that is the NFL.
In other words NFL = WWF = Nascar
September 19th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Dogg -
I’m results oriented.
Kiffin was given charge of two areas. Offense and Special Teams.
Both of these areas have improved. KIFFIN brought in Knapp and Cable. The offense and offensive line especially have improved greatly since 06.
Kiffin actually pays attention to special teams and it shows. He knows how to use Jano and has him hitting touchbacks and trying FGs nobody else would.
If a guy is doing that you give him more areas to improve – not less.
AD brought in another retread WR coach and that area has regressed.
Give Kiffin the WRs and Defense and see what happens. He’s improved every other area he’s been given.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Al Davis sold his soul to the devil, so he will live for 100 more years….Sorry nation.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:35 am
keepkiffin.com
September 19th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Post 373, nice recognition of irony!! [nose scrunch and smile].
For those choosing to quote from the Word (post #358 fr. Chaos), let me clarify your scriptural reference by referring you to the following passage from Saint Al’s Epistle to the Alamedans:
“The path of the maverick NFL owner is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the commissioner and the tyranny of the media. Blessed is the coach, who in the name of pride and poise, shepherds the injured free agents through the valley of the red zone, for he is truly his owner’s keeper and the finder of lost greatness. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious lawsuits those who would attempt to poison and destroy my Raiders. And you will know my name is Mr. Davis and you will clean my sho3s when I lay my vengeance upon thee, baby.”
September 19th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Andrews Mom
Were all going down with the ship!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:37 am
That picture of Al off of the Foxsports website says it all. I can’t stop laughing! lol!! Wow!!!!!
rrrrrrrr!!!! too funny.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Al’s Grim Reaper Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Al Davis sold his soul to the devil, so he will live for 100 more years….Sorry nation.
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fuuuuk, just take me now then.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
COW, I want Bill Polian and Bill Parcells to be GM and Asst GM as well. Ain’t gonna happen. You can’t compare ownership with players. Players you can talk to and scream at. I do it every game. How often do you guys get to scream at an owner???? Sure we can all play GM on this blog by saying get rid of Moss, draft Dmac, etc. We can all voice our opinions on Davis. But to sit here day after day, year after year and post hundreds of posts demanding the owner go from doing what he has done for almost 50 years is pathetic. Let me ask everyone here, if any of you can figure out a way to get rid of an owner of a sports franchise, PLEASE, let me know the steps, because I would do ANYTHING to get Fischer and Wolf out of owning the Oakland A’s.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Take the Minnesota gopger -7 over FAU and Rutgers -5.5 over NAVY. Both of theses plays are like running into an open vault!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Gophers and Scarlet nights
September 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
COW
Thanks for the response, I appreciate your opinions and perspective. I happen to agree with you as well.
I just don’t know how realistic it is to think that Al will be ousted. I think the only way he steps down is in death. A petition sure as hell isn’t going to do anything. I could be wrong.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:42 am
HendersonNV: Who do you like Sunday, I love the Packers at home, home dogs have been a money maker so far this year. Don’t know much about Rutgers, but didn’t they get smashed last week at home?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Dogg,
Why don’t you back off MY BOY MR with all your hate? He doesn’t deserve that kind of treatment!
JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Davis is like the Revolutionary, Fidel Castro, who wins the revolution, but 50 years later is still wearing the battle uniform and still talking revolution even though he is in charge.
vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/4/index.htm
Davis should be more like George Washington. Win the Revolution, serve a couple of terms and step down and give someone else with a little more energy and ideas a chance!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Vegas
what’s the over/under for the Raider game this weekend, do you know?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Oak -
Screaming about the players is just as pointless. As long as Al is in charge we will lose.
As for how often you scream at owners – it happens all the time. You proved this in your rant about the A’s. ESECIALLY in Als case. HE chose to be GM/Coach. He deserves to be held accountable.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Top Story from FoxSports.com:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8581524
It is largely critical of Al Davis for all you Al haters out there.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Dakota
I don’t have time to hate, but I have plenty of time to rub a dogs nose in sh*t when he craps all over the place!
Plus he’s a chickensheet
September 19th, 2008 at 11:46 am
D
I also know damn well that you don’t me to help you in your conflicts, especially considering that you work for the CIA. I was just tired of reading you two going back and forth.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Dogg: I saw it at 36.5, about to go to the book for lunch, so I will post a for sure number, but that’s what it was a few days ago. Pretty low, never see much lower than 32 in the NFL
September 19th, 2008 at 11:48 am
That SI story painted a vivid picture of what a POS the person Al Davis is, as well as being an incompetent GM.
Shine your own sho3s you sadistic fuk.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:49 am
The players will be the ones who decide if Kiffin stays or goes. Play well he stays, suck and he goes…
September 19th, 2008 at 11:50 am
D
probably just as tired as you are of reading me and YOUR BOY going back and forth. You do understand why I had to point that out to the idiot though right? Railing on me because the Shield is for suckers that can’t get it up unless they have a gun in their night stand then hours later he’s talking about how much he likes Entourage because he wishes he was a writer in LA. PATHETIC. I couldn’t resist.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Dogg
I agree – I don’t think Al will be ousted. I think the petition will only fuel Al’s ire. He can’t stand a coach people like more than him. (see Gruden, Jon)
But for me, I’ll keep pointing out the real problem with the Raiders.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:51 am
thanks Vegas, I’ll take the over as it stands now. Put me down for a c-note unless things change dramatically.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Wonder if Al would hand over the reins to a guy like Holmgren.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Oh I know Dogg. The second he posted that Entourage comment I knew it gave you an arrow for your quiver…fire away bro!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
“I think the petition will only fuel Al’s ire. He can’t stand a coach people like more than him. (see Gruden, Jon)”
Exactly what I am afraid is going to happen.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Didn’t Holmgren get fired as GM with Seattle?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Any 1 want to talk about how we will beat the bills?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:55 am
RaiderDogg Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:53 am
“I think the petition will only fuel Al’s ire. He can’t stand a coach people like more than him. (see Gruden, Jon)”
Exactly what I am afraid is going to happen.
GOOD I HOPE HE HAS A HEART ATTCAK AND DIES………Ok maybe I am not so mean to wish that upon anyone, but maybe some heartburn……=)
September 19th, 2008 at 11:56 am
408,
I am surprised you can type today…lol.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Oakglenn, you say you want Bill Parcells to be GM.
I ask you then, what’s wrong with Al Davis?
Can’t he do the job?
Doesn’t a real Raider fan believe that Al Davis still has his marbles, and can still build a team?
If you say you want Bill Parcells as GM, then what you are saying is that we will very likely never win until we have a GM like Parcells. Otherwise, why would you want him? If we can win with Al Davis, then you’d be fine with Al Davis, and just hope for the right help and right players. But you’re clearly saying you want a Parcells type.
If you believe that, Oakglenn, then you know we’ll never win with Al Davis in charge. So then, why bother? Why do you continue defending Al Davis? Why do you continue to blame the coaches? What chance do the coaches have, Oakglenn, with Al Davis in charge? There must be a reason you want Parcells instead of Davis. Whatever that reason is, don’t you think it’s the same reason a head coach will never be able to get the job done here?
Since your credibility is officially gone, Oakglenn, why not just admit now that Lane Kiffin did everything he, or any head coach, possibly could to turn this team around, and that Al stonewalled his efforts? If you don’t agree with this scenario, Oakglenn, then I ask again, what’s your problem with Al Davis? Why do you want Parcells instead?
September 19th, 2008 at 11:56 am
KeepKiffin.com
Signed it.
To all of you who support letting Kiffin go I’d like to know who you would like to replace him with this year. And who do think will take the job next year. What is that like 6 coaches in 6 years. Thats brilliant. That’s exactly how you build a winner.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Get off Big AL’s back and stop with all the freakin complaining. Gesh… Most here whine and complain like we’ve never done anything. It’s hard to believe from the these comments that the Raiders are one of the winningest football teams in the NFL including the last 5 years. Look at Seattle Seachicken fan or Detroit kitty Kat fan or even Philly pigeon fan their teams have never won the big game. We just played in and lost the SB in 2002-03. If Kiffin wins he stays. If he doesn’t then he’s gone.
People are so worried about coach longevity but look at the HC’s we’ve had since Gruden. Which one of those losers did any of you want us to keep long term? Norv Turner? Bill Callahan? Oh,I know Art Shell!! You wanted Art Shell as the HC long term. Give Kiffin a chance to either succeed or fail. Don’t just hand him the team on a Silver and Black platter for the sake of having a long term coach. Besides if Kiffin were such a great prospect then why aren’t any other NFL teams interested? If Kiffin were fired today he would end up back in the college ranks.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
#445 another moronic statement not worth a response.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
People are so worried about coach longevity but look at the HC’s we’ve had since Gruden. Which one of those losers did any of you want us to keep long term? Norv Turner? Bill Callahan? Oh,I know Art Shell!! You wanted Art Shell as the HC long term.
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No, we just want to fire the MORON that hired all of those losers.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Dakota
hey I had to clear my history and all that!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Goon,
You are an idiot! 18 games and you want his head……..what a retard….You obviously do not know football……You do not know what ot takes to teach your methods and break bad ones….You don’t know how to run a system and make it successful….
Even with Gruden it took him 4 years to get the team above 500. 4 years….Not 18 games….
Get a clue!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
REPOST:
Oakglenn Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
…I want Bill Polian and Bill Parcells to be GM and Asst GM…
September 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Oakglenn Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am
COW, I want Bill Polian and Bill Parcells to be GM and Asst GM
September 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Dakota,
Sorry but you can’t fire an owner but your free to go jump on the bandwagon of another team. Why deal with Big AL and all the Raider drama, right?!! Go be a Donkey fan or even a NE Patsy fan. They have so many NEW and johnny come lately fans they would never know.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Vegas,
I like betting against the Raiders in games like this.
They way I look it at….if the lose and the favorite covers then at least I get paid for my team losing….if they win….then I don’t give a crap about the money!
That being said…I like Fresno St to cover (might be a trap though) I like Carolina to cover against Minnesota…S Smith is back and Minny has problems passing the ball. Carolina is a well balanced team right now. I like the Titans as well.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Raiders 24 bills 17
September 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Oak -
Screaming about the players is just as pointless. As long as Al is in charge we will lose.
As for how often you scream at owners – it happens all the time. You proved this in your rant about the A’s. ESECIALLY in Als case. HE chose to be GM/Coach. He deserves to be held accountable.
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The point with the A’s is fans stopped going to games. But the ownership group STILL didn’t get the message. So what did the ownership group do??? Got rid of players with high salaries to offset the decline in revenues. This all goes back to my orginal statement. If you don’t like the business, don’t patronize it. That’s what A’s fans did. Personally, I am not advocating that with the Raiders, but if you want to send the owner a message, there’s your avenue.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Goon says:
“. We just played in and lost the SB in 2002-03. If Kiffin wins he stays. If he doesn’t then he’s gone. ”
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I love when people prove themselves wrong in their own post.
Who was the coach we lost to in that SB? Gruden He won. Did he stay? Only with Al is winning unimportant. Al’s ego is more important than winning just like it is for his lackeys.
Must be lunchbreak in Alameda. All the Al employees, er I mean supporters are on.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Oakglenn, why do you want Polian and Parcells? Just answer that? You said it.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
BIG AL’S GOON,
Your hilarious in a sad way.
I root for the team, the players, certain coaches, and the team name.
Certainly NOT the crazy old owner who fell off his rocker when he gave Gruden away instead of signing him and Allen to extensions.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I agree Oak. I expect many a blackout this year.
Still going to rant about Al though.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
NCC,
You are the biggest fool on the internet. You waste your time everyday whining and complaining like a spoiled child about something you have absolutely no control over. What a fool. Get a clue. Fool get a life. There are other teams you can go be rah-rah about because one or two whining fans like you will not be missed I guarantee that. Go be a Colts fan so you stop irritating everyone around with your constant whining.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Dakota,
…your free to go jump on the bandwagon of another team.
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Lol, same old pathetic line….
September 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Al Davis’ flunkies never talk about winning or losing games on the football field. Only the legacy of Al Davis.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
COW, this is America!! Be the way you wanna be!! MR is a gay Hollywood prostitute. I mean I wouldn’t do it, but somehow it works for him.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Big Al same question – How are the Raiders better off with Al running them?
If you can’t answer that (nobody has) you are an AL fan, not a Raiders fan.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
COW,
Put the drink down and back away. Your weak attempt at spin was sad not me, buddy. Go cry a river and drown yourself. Big AL this and Big AL that, WAH-WAH-WAH!! Ya big baby!! I prefer just Win Baby!!
Gruden wanted more money and Big AL wasn’t willing to pay so he traded him. Hey we got Aso out of the deal. And Gruden has lost alot of the magic he once had. We will be back and all you fair-weather fans will not be allowed on the Raider bandwagon!!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Oak – LOL
Yeah, I’ll pass on that too.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I cant believe all you guys bounced last night LMAO!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Al Davis thinks he’s bigger than the team. He thinks he’s God!
Fuk the players
Fuk the fans.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Darkknight,
Big AL didn’t give neither Gruden or Allen away. Check your facts before you spew hatred, oh I forgot your probably a Raider-hater anyway. Dis-Charger fan is that you?!!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Still waiting Big Al. Just back to name calling? Sad.
How are the Raiders better off with Al running the show?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
everyone sign this let’s get Al Davis’s attention let’s hurt his pocket book.
http://www.keepkiffin.com
September 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Al Davis whole career, is that of a man, standing on the shoulders of others, and taking the credit and aggrandizing himself.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
COW,
The Raiders are better off with Big AL running the team that who? The owners of Philly that don’t pay their play-makers so they walk and the fans wonder why they’ve never won a SB. Or maybe you’d like the owners of the Detriot Kitty Kats that again have never won a thing and are perpetually at the bottom of the NFL. I could go on but for what?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Al Davis: “Fuk all the great players, who made all the great plays on the gridiron”
I am God!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
still LMFAO at MR, what a complete loser. Still dreaming of being part of the “Hollywood” scene you fukking idiot?
lol
September 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Titans are another team I like a lot DarkKnight. That D is pretty awesome, and Kerry is way better than VY
September 19th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Goon,
If Kiffin gets fired, he will be picked up by either the Chefs or the Donkeys as OC. Or, he can go back to HC in the college ranks. He will have his choice.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
BIG AL’s GOON Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
COW,
The Raiders are better off with Big AL running the team that who? The owners of Philly that don’t pay their play-makers so they walk and the fans wonder why they’ve never won a SB. Or maybe you’d like the owners of the Detriot Kitty Kats that again have never won a thing and are perpetually at the bottom of the NFL. I could go on but for what?
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How much worse could it get with a new owner? We already hold the record for futility in the NFL. Most years with 11 or more losses in NFL HISTORY!
Let go of the 1970’s…the time for change has come. Your loyalty to Al Davis is a disloyalty to the Oakland Raiders.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
yo Dirty
some of us had to get up early 4 work!
thats my story and Im sticking to it!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Texguy -
Yes I’m sure that there are several teams looking for a backstabbing leader that throws everyone under the bus to avoidd having to be accountable in every way!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Why is the Raiders organization better off with Al running the show?
I’m not a philly fan. Saying we’ve won more SBs than Ariz doesn’t answer either. What does Al Davis bring to the table that makes the team better?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I would like to see Kiffin stay. He is a very smart x’s and o’s guy and Al Davis hired him for his football I.Q. I think given the chance he could develoup a very dynamic offense and he is only a couple of pieces of the puzzle away. The down side is that he doesn’t know when to close his mouth. How many of us could keep our jobs if we constantly undercut our boss to other people. If he is fired it will be because of his mouth and not his coaching ability.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
post #477 was not me, although I do have to agree with it whole heartedly!
Nice post Dogg troll!
Dakota
I apologize for “accidently” revealing your profession.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Gene Upshaw
Jim Otto
Art Shell
George Blanda
Willie Brown
Jack Tatum
Dave Grayson
Howie Long
Free Bilitenkoff
Dave Casper
Ken Stabler
Those who made it happen on the field, are the heroes. Al Davis, you are the owner, ok?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
El Dirty Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I cant believe all you guys bounced last night LMAO!
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Amazing wasn’t it, lol!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
still LMFAO at MR, what a complete loser. Still dreaming of being part of the “Hollywood” scene you fukking idiot?
lol
That’s only if being a male prostitute at Hollywood Blvd and Vine constitutes being part of the “scene”.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
No worries Dogg!
Just make sure you have your financials in order because an IRS audit might be coming your way.
Just a hunch.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Al Davis, you never threw a Touchdown pass, ran for a touchdown, or stopped one, ok? You are a old man living off the feats of others and claiming to be God!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
OG
MR’s prostitution is all in the name of “research”.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Mr. Was killing me with the cricket handle! Chirp Chirp HA HA HA HA
September 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
?????,
Telling the truth is not throwing others under the bus. Was he inaccurate about any of his statements about his players? Or, maybe he should be more like RR and always tell the media that we have the best defense around, when you know it isn’t true.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
COW, it’s actually you that needs to get a clue. Gruden wanted more power. That’s why he’s gone. It had nothing to do with money even though Tampa can afford to pay a lot more than we can. If you think Bruce Allen did anything but negotiate contracts and do his political speeches while here you’re beyond stupid. Gruden is the GM and coach in Tampa. Few coaches have that power in the league and even less win with all that power. That’s why he’s gone. If he was comfortable in just coaching the team he would still be here.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
When I said CIA I was referring to the Coalition Interested in ousting Al. What did you think I was talking about?
Now call off the dogs will ya?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
A Bronco/49er mole has ruined our franchise – Romo. Any mental lapses from Al can be directly attributed to Romo’s poison:
“Another recent Davis confidant is Bill Romanowski, the All-Pro linebacker who played his final two seasons in Oakland. After suffering more than 20 concussions in his playing career, Romo, as he’s known, set about creating a “brain fuel” that would restore his mental powers… Romo dubbed his brain fuel Neuro1 and now markets it as an elixir to help you “confidently recall names and facts” and to “enhance one’s quality of life and performance.” Feeling fully revitalized, Romanowski recently called his former employer and said, “Mr. Davis, I think I can change your life!” Davis summoned Romanowski to Oakland, and now, Romanowski says, he visits Davis three or four times a year to discuss nutrition. When I asked if Neuro1 had enhanced Davis’s mental acuity, Romanowski paused and then said, “Well, you talked to him, didn’t you?”
September 19th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Al Davis, you never threw a Touchdown pass, ran for a touchdown, or stopped one. You are a old man living off the feats of others and claiming to be God!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Gene Upshaw
Jim Otto
Art Shell
George Blanda
Willie Brown
Jack Tatum
Dave Grayson
Howie Long
Free Bilitenkoff
Dave Casper
Ken Stabler
Those who made it happen on the field, are the real heroes. Al Davis, you are the owner, ok? Not a football player. Just the Owner!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
MR’s “screen play” depicts a disgruntled Raider fan who leaves the “scene” in San Francisco because his team moves to LA. He follows the team to LA, and once the team realizes their “#1″ fan has actually moved to LA to follow them, the team packs up it’s bags and moves back to the Bay Area. The end.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Slapper – How are the Raiders better off with Al running the show?
BTW – Thanks for the “Gruden wanted power” info. The next time an Al lacky claims “Kiffin will be given more power when he wins some games,” I’ll remind them of that. Don’t worry, I’ll quote you.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
How in the hell did the owner of a football team, fashion himself into a football god?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
KoolKell you are MY hero. Because I actually give 2 sh1ts about your opinion and I am really impressed by your 3rd grade education.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Al Davis is in the Hall of Fame. What other NFL teams have won 3 super bowls under one owner?
posts 447, 454 & 462 make a lot of sense
September 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Big Al-in post 447 you say”give Kiffin a chance to succeed or fail”.i believe that is what everyone is saying-let him succeed or fail without undermining everything he tries to do.if he then fails nobody would say he has to stay.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
GOON,
Yeah I forgot….your senile old man PUSHED THEM AWAY by letting his ego get in the way (as always) and by being CHEAP!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Tard Boy,
Playing with yourself, may feel good.
But it aint sex. Loser.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Some of you speak as if you actually have any idea as to what goes on behind closed doors at Raiders HQ. Probably the same people that think their vote in November will be heard or counted.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
As long as the Raiders are under sound financial management no one can take the team away from the boss unless he makes nice and sells it.
The new 2008 Forbes NFL financial rankings are out. The one of most interest to the citizens is this one here …
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sportsmoney_nfl08_Oakland-Raiders_300874.html
OK, 31st in total value is not so hot, but that’s the selling price, for a small market team, at it’s competitive nadir, in a 40-plus year old multipurpose facility. Whaddaya expect? We’re just greasy and grungy, and we would be so even at 12-4.
But in operating income, an important number, Raiders are ranked 12th, even with the recent outburst of player expense increase. Last year, 2nd. And the Raiders keep it all, too. Debt to Value Ratio is 6%, 4th in the league, very nice. Expect that number, along with the total value, to increase if the Raiders ever privately finance a new stadium.
The bottom line is that Davis does a fine job making finacial decisions for a small market team. Anyone wanting to take his property away from him doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Sorry, thay aren’t going to be socialized just yet.
What you guys REALLY want, I think, is a fresh approach to football decisions. Me, too. Somebody that we don’t know, haven’t heard of, who can come in and bring us fans something new. But the question resounds … WHO? Hope not that dinosaur Parcells. Wouldn’t you like someone unproven and hungrier, like Big Al was himself, once? I agree that it is time for Al to let go of that part of the operation. Someone to actually go out and look at players instead of watch film. Someone with legs, who can travel.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
coach:
I agree – I don’t think Al will be ousted.
then why do you keep blabbing your opinion and trying to make other people feel stupid for having an opinion different than yours? You’re the one wasting all this time talking about something that you know isn’t going to happen. what is the point of that?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
KK
ask your alter ego Unknown about that. I’m sure the memories from this morning are fresh in your mind oops I mean his mind.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
We won 3 SBs!
Yep. And the Romans conquored the known world. How come were not speaking italian?
Al is about as relevant in the NFL as those Roman numeral we use to mark super bowls.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
MADDENRAIDER,
Lets see the team was on the way up and doing well when Gruden was here….and then once he leaves….the team has been in the freakin TOILET since!
YEAH…IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING IT WAS A BAD MOVE BY THE OLD SENILE MAN BT LETTING GRUDEN GO!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
COW, KoolKell is wondering whatever happened to that reacharound you promised…
September 19th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Texguy,
Kiffin will not be hired by any NFL team if he is fired. He has a combined record of 5-13. Kiffin would be lucky to get back on the USC coaching staff. Nah, on second thought Kiffin is such a Carroll loyalist Carroll will brig him back in some roll for sure. But no team other than the Raiders is interested in Kiffin. Lane that is. Monte wouldn’t last a few hours before being snapped up by some team.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
What you suckers don’t know or realize is that Gruden was leaving no matter what I did. At least I got something for him instead of letting him just walk away. So many of you here are either ignorant or just plain history revisionists.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
AL DAVIS,
Here is a concept for ya!
HIRE A FREAKIN GM!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
The slapper is 100% correct in statement #494.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
It probably takes Al at least five minutes to get from behind his desk to his door. How the hell is he a personnel man?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
DarkKnight, Gruden and Davis mortgaged the team’s future for a playoff run…even if Gruden stayed the team was going to go through a down period. We were too old and cap constricted. And then Gannon tried to steamroll a linebacker, broke his neck, and REALLY put us in a “greatness of the Raiders is in the future” mode.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Hey things could be worse, we could have Matt Millen as a GM
September 19th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Rockstar – Its a blog. If people weren’t wasting their time on pointless chatter they’d have to shut it down.
I don’t try to make people feel stupid but the Al supporters do nothing but name-calling. I may disagree with opinions but I don’t name-call. If people want to call me names or claim I’m not a fan – I’m going to respond.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
garble garble gag, garble
sorry guys I forgot to take KoolKells nuts outta my mouth, ya feel me dawg? Ya Herd?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
And drafted Charles Rogers and Mike Williams in the top 10 of the draft. Both are out of football as we speak.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Post 517 is an excellent paraphrase of verses 12-16 of the Epistle of Saint Al to the Alamedans.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Read about how Al Davis is destroying the Raiders. Great read!
sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface091908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
September 19th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Lefty-12,
Lie to yourself. For most here it wouldn’t matter what Kiffin did they would still be cheering for everything that he does. Kiffin is your Brad Pitt!!LOL!! He can do no wrong. Even whne Kiffin is wrong he is still right, right?!! Please, calm down and let the guy have a chance. If he succeeds he’ll stick around unless he asks for too much money. If he fails then he’s toast. With only 5 wins in his short coaching career I say stop all the praise and all the hate and let the guy do what he can.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
I just wanted to let you guys know what an awesome job Al Davis has been doing for the Denver Broncos! First he lets Mike Shanahan go after just one year of coaching, and Shanahan has brought us two Super Bowl rings, and now he has rebuilt this team to start challenging for another. I can’t think of another team right now with so much youth and upside as the Broncos. Davis also gave Shanahan personal incentive to do his best to embarass the raider nation every time we play them. And just recently, Al Davis was kind enough to sign Javon Walker to a huge contract, which cleared any money the Broncos would have still had to pay him after cutting him. How’s that working out for you Al? I’m glad you talked Walker out of retiring this summer. I’m not sure what more Al Davis could do for the Broncos?! Thanks uncle Al!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Al and his flunkies ARE FEELING THE HEAT.
Otherwise they would be commissioning the Kriedler piece.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Post 512 — and when you take away that glimmer of the Gruden years, the record gets really bad!!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
no matter what happens this season… kiffie will be telling all of us to kiss his a$$…
i say kiss his a$$ now…
kiss it goodbye…
fire the temp !!!
September 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Hey BJ aka Bronco Joe
You have no one but your owner to thank for those rings. Do you honestly think Shanahan put in on the 2 SB Rings the Bronco’s bought? No freakin way, he is way too cheap.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Slapper – How are the Raiders better off with Al running the show?
The Raiders are better off to me with Al Davis running the show because he’s the last revolutionary in a league(&country) of corporate facists. I’d personally like to see him get another personnel guy in here to help him with personnell decisions. This league has always descriminated against Al and he called them on their sh!t, and they’ve taken it out in bullsh!t penalties, screwed him on stadium deals, etc. It doesn’t excuse what the last 5 years personnel decisions, but what cracks me up about all you dipsh!ts is that you claim that Kiffin is the brilliant head coach that can’t be released. I personally would keep him around, but don’t you morons find it hypocritical that you say Al has not competent to run the football team, yet sing the praises of a guy that ONLY Al Davis would hire. Makes perfect sense to me in this country full of dumbasses.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE: Previous reports have suggested that brain atrophy is associated with aging and that there are gender differences in brain atrophy with aging. These reports, however, neither exclude silent brain lesions in “healthy subjects” nor divide the brain into subregions. The aim of this study is to clarify the effect of gender on age-related changes in brain subregions by MR imaging.
METHODS: A computer-assisted system was used to calculate the brain matter area index (BMAI) of various regions of the brain from MR imaging of 331 subjects without brain lesions.
RESULTS: There was significantly more brain atrophy with aging in the posterior parts of the right frontal lobe in male subjects than there was in female subjects. Age-related atrophy in the middle part of the right temporal lobe, the left basal ganglia, the parietal lobe, and the cerebellum also was found in male subjects, but not in female subjects. In the temporal lobe, thalamus, parieto-occipital lobe, and cerebellum, brain volume in the left hemisphere is significantly smaller than in the right hemisphere; sex and age did not affect the hemisphere differences of brain volume in these regions.
CONCLUSION: The effect of gender on brain atrophy with aging varied in different subregions of the brain. There was more brain atrophy with aging in male subjects than in female subjects.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Finzel – Good post. It seems Al allows his hires to handle the finances. Were he to take the same approach on the management of the team, things would be better.
I don’t want Al “ousted” or to die or whatever. Just hire a GM and let the coaches coach. Be a silent owner and stop worrying about who gets credit. Just Win.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Caribou,
At least with Gruden and Allen in the fold, the franchise would have had STABILITY, PROPER ORAGANIZATION AND SYSTEM CONTINUITY they would have had direction and the game of musical chair HC’s would have been over at least for another 4 or 5 years. The team would have most likely remained competitive and would maintained the respect that Gruden brought us back to.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
“Al and his flunkies ARE FEELING THE HEAT.
Otherwise they would be commissioning the Kriedler piece.”
Wow that 3rd grade education is really paying off! LOL
I think we know what you were trying to say, but still. Man you are stupid. Don’t get all adventerous and try out for the show Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader, we all know how you would do. It would make for good tv though, watching some idiot try to figure out how many states in the US border an ocean.
KK: Der I um (stammer) I’m not really sure, so I will say 2.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
507 is a briliant post.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Brain: Brain function varies normally as people pass from childhood through adulthood to old age. During childhood, the ability to think and reason steadily increases, enabling a child to learn increasingly complex skills. During most of adulthood, brain function is relatively stable. After a certain age, which varies from person to person, brain function declines. Different aspects of brain function are affected at different times:
Short-term memory and the ability to learn new material tend to be affected relatively early.
Verbal abilities, including vocabulary and word usage, may begin to decline at about age 70.
Intellectual performance—the ability to process information (regardless of speed)—is usually maintained until about age 80 if no neurologic disorders are present.
Reaction time and performance of tasks may become slower because the brain processes nerve impulses more slowly.
However, the effects of aging on brain function may be difficult to separate from the effects of various disorders that are common among older people. These disorders include depression, stroke, an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism), and degenerative brain disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease
September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
look goon,i don’t put anyone on a pedestal.all i said was let the guy do the job he was hired to do without undermining what he is trying to do-then make a judgement.instead of just babbling maybe you should learn how to read!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
KK
don’t pretend to know how to do anything but cut and paste and article that you somehow found on the internet.
Plus I have seen you already post it several times before, it wasn’t funny any of those other times either.
Here’s an idea:
If you are unable to formulate your own thought process keep your stupid mouth shut.
Ignoramus (look it up)
September 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
As to why Davis hasn’t pulled the trigger already despite his reported unhappiness, maybe he hasn’t finished scouring the bed and breakfasts of America to find his next offensive coordinator. Is there a single person in Raider Nation who is happy that Al is still calling the shots?
freakin hilarious….and possibly true
September 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Hey COW, how does Al not let the coaches coach. I’ve never read ANYTHING where a former or current coach said ‘I had to run this … because Al Davis made me.’ Does he talk strategy with his coaches? Absolutely. But please provide concrete evidence of him not letting the coaches coach.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“look goon,i don’t put anyone on a pedestal.all i said was let the guy do the job he was hired to do without undermining what he is trying to do-then make a judgement.instead of just babbling maybe you should learn how to read!”
I let Lance run his offense with ZERO undermining. You truly are clueless aren’t you? See post #507.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Slapper – Exactly! Al should run the show by LETTING SOMEONE ELSE DO IT. You’re saying the same thing we are.
Nobody is saying Kiffin is great but it would be nice to see what he could do if he was allowed to function like 31 other head coaches.
Al’s Title is of no concern. His legacy as a revolutionary would benefit if he showed the wisdom to surround himself with winners instead of yes men.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
It’s just time for a man with a drool towell and diapers to step aside gracefully from being the face of this once proud organization.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I’m happy he’s calling the shots Nation…Of course, the flipside to your question is if Kiffin’s job is so unbearable why didn’t he just quit? And don’t even f-ing try the “he needs the money” bullsh!t
September 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I don’t want Al “ousted” or to die or whatever. Just hire a GM and let the coaches coach. Be a silent owner and stop worrying about who gets credit. Just Win.
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well said.
in your opinion, is a true fan and loyal fan the same thing? imo it is.
as the saying goes “win, lose or tie, Raider till I die”.
so many people talk about giving up on the Raiders (ie. picking another team or waiting until Davis dies to root for them again) if Kiffin is fired. In my mind that makes no sense. Isn’t that the same as saying “i’ll be a fan, as long as we’re winning” ??? I want the Raiders to win more than anybody. My guess is Al Davis does too. If he wanted to lose he could have saved himself a lot of money this offseason
September 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“It’s just time for a man with a drool towell and diapers to step aside gracefully from being the face of this once proud organization.”
Spoken like a man that speaks from experience. Is that what your boss said to you when he found you drooling all over Unknowns nuts while he was wearing a diaper?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
KK — Al never threw a TD, ran one, or stopped one on an NFL field. But, he’s never claimed to be a god. He rules his empire the way he wants, but that’s not claiming to be anything…it’s a demonstration of who runs HIS team. And, every coach he hires knows the chain-of-command before he signs on the dotted-line.
And…your waving the banner for those players you say Al should give the credit to? He does just that, and in at least half of those names you listed, he has maintained at least a part-time professional relationship with. So, you whine about Al not supporting his great players, and then you cite a bunch of players that Al has been honoring for years.
KK, your hypocrite ways are showing again. Other than the “fire Al” refrain, do you have anything else to say about the team — pro or con? If not, methinks you’re just looking to stir the pot.
BTW, KK — You never answered whether or not YOU were subject to the same age-related mental deficiencies you attribute to Al. If you ARE subject to those same deficiencies (you are human, after all), doesn’t that mean your own opinions should be disregarded as much as Al’s are? You’re getting up there in years, old-timer.
Who decides when you’ve “lost it?” Is the cut-off the last 5-years, the last 10-years, the last 25-years, or an entire body of work? The person who decides which cut-off to use is usually the person arguing a favorable point for their cause.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
post #549, I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thats why he has this info at his fingertips, his doctors e-mailed it to him.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
MaddenRaider — The fear I have of firing Kiffin is two-fold:
1. Kiffin has developed a modern approach to offense that many of us believe can be successful. We fear a reversal back to the Bed & Breakfast Offense and visions of 7 step drops and bombs down the field
2. Given that Kiffin is at least competent — we also realize that young QBs suffer when they end up getting multiple offensive coordinators/philosophies in their formative years. Firing coaches every year or two produces Alex Smith’s and Vince Young’s and not Peyton Manning and Donvan McNabb’s
3. Al Davis has hired two count’em 2 competent coaches since 1987 -I’ll give him credit for Art Shell part 1 & Jon Gruden- Although he ended up firing both of them!
Davis needs to step back and bring in some personnell help and let his coaches do their job. Bring in a Ron Wolf or Bruce Allen. Al has to realize the league has passed him buy and simply playing fantasy football with the roster don’t cut it. I’m still waiting on Javon Walker to clean up his attitude and get on the field!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Slapper – Rob Ryan. Concrete Enough?
The Head Coach was not allowed to hire a Def Coor or fire him. Kiffin is not allowed input into the style of D run or the bringing in of players to run it. It is also a huge weak spot.
Four blown 4th quarter leads last year or Kiffin is 8-8?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Gene Upshaw
Jim Otto
Art Shell
George Blanda
Willie Brown
Jack Tatum
Dave Grayson
Howie Long
Free Bilitenkoff
Dave Casper
Ken Stabler
Those who made it happen on the field, are the real heroes. Al Davis, you are the owner, ok? Not a football player. Just the Owner!
Don’t try to take the glory or the credit away from these guys. The guys who gave their all on the gridiron. Back the fuk off!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
>>Nobody is saying Kiffin is great but it would be nice to see what he could do if he was allowed to function like 31 other head coaches.
Al’s Title is of no concern. His legacy as a revolutionary would benefit if he showed the wisdom to surround himself with winners instead of yes men.>>
LMAO!! No I’m not saying anything like youl. Even Kiffin admitted in his interview with Al that ‘I wasn’t gonna tell him what he wanted to hear’, and f-ing Al decided to hire him. Guess that’s means Al only hires yes men doesn’t it?
What exactly is different in Kiffin’s job than the 31 other coaches in the league? Marvin Lewis had no idea they were re-signing Chris Henry, it was reported that Gruden wanted to cut Chris Simms last year but the Glazers wouldn’t let him, does the guy in Miami have the same powers that his boss Parcels yearned for, did Holmgren and Nolan not get their GM powers stripped from them? Was it Wade Phillips decision to hire Jason Garrett? Sounds like “TOTAL CONTROL” to me LOL!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Any suggestions for a new Raider GM that Al trusts? That NY Times article from 07 said Al had spoken to Upshaw often about needing one, implying Gene should do it. Plus, Al knows his son can run the business side for the next several decades, but not the football end.
I am not saying any or all of these would be welcomed by myself, or even successful, but could help mediate between coaches and ownership:
> Art Shell (of course, Al would still be the personnel decider but Art could bring much needed structure).
> Matt Millen (at least he wouldn’t be blamed for ruining TWO teams).
> Tom Flores (I see little impact from quiet Tom).
> Freddy B (may have burned his bridge to the ground with the “too many backups” comment).
> Ted Hendricks (has Al’s trust but does he have football IQ?)
> Sean Jones (smart, youngish, trusted, and my preferred choice).
> Tommy Trojan (nailed Al’s draft this year, and putting up HUGE numbers on register #4 at RaiderImage store).
> Steve Mariucci (an odious, yet not wholly unlikely choice).
So WHO DO YOU BOZOS WANT TO TAKE THE JOB?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Great Coach on Wheels -post 558- I missed that point.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
And Hackett and Fassel could also be considered candidates…
September 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Al Davis has Mismanaged his way through 4 Head Coaches since 2003′
HE HIRED TOM WALSH FOR GAWDSAKES! that should be plain enough for any flunky cultist to understand.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
the coliseum is now back to being the oakland alameda county coliseum. Maybe AL buys the naming rights and calls it Als Shoe repair home of the retreads
September 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
It’s a good thing he got into the HOF when he did. Because his legacy is almost completely shot.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
And the only guy Kiffin thought of replacing Ryan with was a guy in Tamper who isn’t available. So Kiff wanted to Al to fire Ryan(pay him money) and not have an available option to replace him with. Makes sense to me. By the way how the cover 2 stop the run which has been one of our bigger problems…And if you noticed my last post and looked around the league you’ll see that coaches are often kept around even if the head coach didn’t hire them.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Slapper – Al surrounds himself with people like Herrera, Taylor, Trask, Ryan etc… The reality is as soon as Kiffin tried to exercise some control over his staff, Al stepped in and not only spare one yes man he hired anoter in Lofton.
If Kiffin only had to deal with a GM signing a WR he’d be waaay better off. Lewis is allowed to run an offense and defense of his design.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
“Al Davis has Mismanaged his way through 4 Head Coaches since 2003′
HE HIRED TOM WALSH FOR GAWDSAKES! that should be plain enough for any flunky cultist to understand.”
Your wealth of stupidty is astounding. EVERYBODY but you knows Art Shell hired Tom Walsh and Davis approved it. Walsh was Art’s guy, not Al’s.
KoolKell please do not speak of things of which you do not know. You’re just embarassing yourself.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
hey al,name another headcoach that has no say on the make-up of his roster.it looks like you are the one without a clue.we Kiffin was hired the real AD said it was due to his knowledge of college players,then al doesn’t take any input from him,strips him of any say.but if you Davis apologists would read posts what i said was let him do his job and then judge him on the results.if he fails,he fails and he should be let go.btw,you can’t judge someone after18 games.he inherited a team that won 2 games the previous season.what was he supposed to do,win a super bowl with a team that won 2 games?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I wonder if Willie Brown could be a GM…
September 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Ever since the coliseum put up the Mc Afee logo on the stadium the Raiders seem to have caught a virus.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
C.O.W.
Please don’t use Cinci as an example of how things should be. Your ignorance and lack of real knowledge regarding this entire situation is causing you to make serious errors in judgement.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Slapper – Are you kidding? There are no available DCs but Kiffen Sr? Please. BTW – If he wanted Kiffin Sr he could get him by calling him an Asst HC and thus he’d be getting a promotion and be allowed to break his contract.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Willie already was the mayor of SF he might be qualified
September 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I have really been impressed by Jay Richardson! he will be a beast one day…
who picked him up? Kiffen?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
lefty, I don’t have time to explain it to you, again. Just read post #507 and understand that you know NOTHING!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
We all know Al’s screwed up a number of times in his long AFL/NFL career. Not exactly breaking news.
KK — Why won’t you answer the questions about age? Are you going through the same changes everybody else goes through as they age? If so, why should your opinion matter anymore? Just because you think it does? That’s the way you accuse Al of thinking.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
I have really been impressed by Jay Richardson! he will be a beast one day…
who picked him up? Kiffen?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
He’ll bring in some docile loser with no backbone, and them blame the poor idiot at the end.
The Chikensheit won’t even come out and speak to the media himself. He hides behind his flunkies.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Al – I didn’t Slapper brought up Cincy. All of your lackys bring up bottom feeders to compare you to. Wonder why?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Paul Hackett as Head Coach?? That WOULD BE AS TERRIBLE OF A CHOICE as when he hired NORV TURNER!! LOL
Ugh!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
All of the good decisions were made by Kiffin, the bad ones by me.
Thats all you idiots seem to think.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Has anyone else noticed Richardson’s play? i say better than Clemons when it comes to defending the run
September 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
HayesDaze,
Don’t be stupid, I’m not the issue. Al Davis’s management of the Raiders is.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
al,and i suppose you working in the mail room makes you an insider.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
KoolKell telling someone else not to be stupid? Thats like the sun telling a light bulb not to shine!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Al Davis Flunkies,
Do you care at all about winning?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
MaddenRaider (MDR) – my response
MDR-”Marvin Lewis had no idea they were re-signing Chris Henry,” — The Bengals are 2nd to us in incompetence and poor performance
MDR-”it was reported that Gruden wanted to cut Chris Simms last year but the Glazers wouldn’t let him,” — no one is saying Kiffin should have total personnel control just significant input.
MDR “does the guy in Miami (Sparano) have the same powers that his boss Parcels yearned for”,–Sparano got to hire his own staff
MDR – “did Holmgren and Nolan not get their GM powers stripped from them?” — again no one is saying that Kiffin should be Coach & GM. Holmgren and Nolan pick their own staffs. But many of us would like a competent GM to help out Al Davis.
MDR – “Was it Wade Phillips decision to hire Jason Garrett? Sounds like “TOTAL CONTROL” to me LOL” — Err, Wade Phillips was hired on a successfull PLAYOFF team rather late in the process with all the pieces in place. Jason Garrett was not the reason the 13 AND 3 NFC EAST CHAMP Cowboys lost IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!No one on this board had a problem with Ryan being retained when Kiffin was hired. But after a 4-12 year of poor defensive performance (31st against the run) Kiffin, and any head coach, should have the right to make a change, which Kiffin tried to do.
Al Davis does not run this team correctly. Its archaic and very disruptive. Read the article in the link below and let me know what you think!
vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/4/index.htm
September 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
mail room? Are you referring to your own life?
In case you haven’t noticed I am one of the most powerful people in the NFL. I am THE insider. So STFU little man.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Without Al Davis, Mike Taylor would be at McDonalds. He knows it too.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
“Without Al Davis, Mike Taylor would be at McDonalds. He knows it too.”
The sad thing is that he would probably steal your spot as the fry cook! Careful what you wish for genius.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
you are nothing but a fool!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
525 – Extra…Silver RIPS Davis
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface091908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
September 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
JMac wont be able to do anything but hand off until Walker gets healthy. Who knows when that will be.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Al Davis,
Unfortunately, you’ve become the laughingstock of the professional sports industry.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
let me get this straight
You assume you have any idea as to how things are really run in an organization that you have never been a part of, yet I am the fool? Look in the mirror son.
Post #507, read it, learn it, and then stfu!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
RaiderTay — Javon Walker has been a huge disappointment. Hopefully he can get on the field and contribute this weekend
September 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
which is still light years ahead of fry cook on the food chain!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
563,
Al Stated that Tom Walsh is a Genius…Al must have liked him…
September 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
To all of you wanting a GM to spare us 5 more years of underperformance, PICK ONE! And please pick someone who Al would consider, not some mercenary. Someone who would stay after Al dies/retires.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
I never said any such thing LoseT
September 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Al Davis, you’ve become a laughingstock! Stop it!!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
At least I make people laugh KoolKell, people just feel sorry for you stupid a$$, except Unknown of course. That dude will follow you into any trench
September 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
you are obviously a wanna be who would like to be a big man but will never achieve it.my pity goes out to you.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis, save what little of your legacy you have left. Please.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis is king of the world and Kiffin better recognize are leave right now!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
September 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Tard Boy, You are a nobody. I was talking to the real Al Davis.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
My friend works at Chili’s in San Leandro and saw Dmac there last night with is sister………..Dmac said he is ready for Buffalo…………good stuff. also said he is a down to earth fella
September 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
KK — You say Al takes all the credit, and should give credit to his players and coaches. Then you say things like:
“The Chikensheit won’t even come out and speak to the media himself. He hides behind his flunkies.”
—————–
If Al came out and addressed this media-fueled non-story (hopefully a non-story), wouldn’t he just be vilified for taking all the press and limelight from Kiffin?
A weak vote-of-confidence for a head coach who still hasn’t proven himself to his team and organization is nothing but harmful. Kiffin needs to earn a contract extension, and he’s getting the chance to do it.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
That is Mr. Raider-tard to you good sir
September 19th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Al,
Your slippin…You hired the wrong Walsh…
September 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Al Davis, ITS OVER.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
seriously.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Hayes= making sense
September 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Was DMAC limping Brien?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Al Davis, It’s over sir. I don’t want to see you get beat down any more. Please.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
He was sitting down according to my friend…….so I dunno Governor
September 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
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I hope someone who cares about him will throw in the towel, and keep him from taking more punishment.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
DMAC must really be “down to earth” if he is grubbin at Chili’s with an 8 figure bank acct. Hope he stayed away from the green onions…
September 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Caribou Barbie -Post 595 – Let’s get John Guy for General Manager. He is currently the VP of Pro Personnel for the Buffalo Bills and he used to work for the Raiders.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
similar?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
I hope someone who cares about him will throw in the towel, and keep him from taking more punishment.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
S&B, lst, Marvin Lewis has one foot in the grave and one on a banana peel in cinncy. 2ndly, Jon Gruden has a TON of input in personnel in Tampon Bay, and he SHOULD HAVE BEEN RUN OUTTA TAMPA LAST YEAR. 3rdly, Saparano has 10 years in the NFL. He has contacts to build a staff. Kiffin isn’t close.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
S&B, no thanks, and for one reason – Langston Walker. But I did like their recent draft pix.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
post 614 lol
September 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
well ok Caribou not similar exactly maybe?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
BTW, HayesDaze you know that WASN’T ME, last nite. That was MR posting as me. As usual.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
EXACTLY!! Now you’re thinking like a maverick! [smile...nose twitch]
September 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Good post oaklgenn……..idiots on this blog wanna say the Raiders arethe worst franchise but the Bengals are by far worse than we are
September 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Maverick? Like not knowing the Bush Doctrine or answering question straight forward?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
KK — Maybe you’re too old to be viable. Too old to have an opinion that matters. Certainly too old to run a company, large or small.
Pehaps you and Al can have adjoining rooms at the old-folks’ home, where you can both talk about your old memories. You know, memories of how Al built, rebuilt, and rebuilt again, team after team over the years, while all you can recall are a few glory teams and Al’s worst moves?
Methinks KK, that in the old-folks’ home, Al would beat you in chess, checkers, or NFL team-running on any given day.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Caribou Barbie — John Guy is the best choice because we just need someone that is competent AND familiar with the Byzantine management style of Al Davis. Is Guy the best. No, but just like our head coaches, its hard to get the best to work for Al
September 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
“Justin Fargas is the heartbeat of our offense.” Huh? He’s only the third best running back on our team.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Oakglen says — 3rdly, Saparano has 10 years in the NFL. He has contacts to build a staff. Kiffin isn’t close.
How do you know Kiffin doesn’t have the network to build a staff. I bet that his network would expand exponentially if people around the league were confident that Kiffin had the normal control a head coach is supposed to have.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Fargas is the best all-around back on our team, hand down. Were you claiming Bush was a better back when he fumbled the ball on the first carry of what was the most important drive of the game?
September 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
And don’t tell me about the TD run, the Chiefs had quit and any viable NFL RB would have scored on that play.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
S&B — Kiffin has exactly the same level of responsibility and input afforded to about 75-80% of NFL head coaches. What in his resume makes him deserve more power?
And pople saying Gruden calls all the shots in Tampa? That’s a crock — Gru might swing a big bat, but he won’t swing it too hard on that defensive side of the ball, will he? If you lived anywhere near Tampa, you’d all know that Gruden’s been on the hot seat there — kinda like Kiffin is here — for years. Just last year, Jeff Garcia probably saved Gruden’s career.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Excuse me…..Garcia probably saved Gruden’s TB job, not Gruden’s career. Big difference there.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Vegas hahahahahahahaha. Farglass the best all around back? But he cant even catch?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Vegas you are too funny……….I think you get drunk too much watching Wayne Newton sing my man
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I don’t understand why so many people on here take shots at Fargas. Is he a pro-bowler, no just a notch below. Has he shown more heart than just about any other player on the team (Nmadi excluded)? Absolutely. The young guys are learning from Fargas, blocking, work ethic, etc., not vice versa.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
hey brien
September 19th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Brien: Dmac can’t block, Bush looks like fumbling is going to be an issue, and neither are the short-yardage back Fargas is, not yet at least. I don’t like Wayne, but did watch the girls at the Rio last night as I plowed through 6 or 7 captain and coke’s
September 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
brien your buddy saw dmac at chilis last night?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
so now the mcafee is gone?..called the oakland-alameda county coilseum again?…cool!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
sup jim
September 19th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
It is still calledthe Oakland Alameda County Coliseum………..only wimps call it something else
September 19th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Damn right Jim he did
September 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Farglass a notch below a pro bowler? Man you sure you drinking or taking lines of the Tony?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Farglass could have never made the inital 50 yard run and would have never tight roped the sideline to score the TD…………vegas you are absolutely wrong
September 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Farglass cant even catch out the backfield……….come on now!!! Bush/McFadden= best thing to happen to the Raiders in many years………..just you watch
September 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Gentlemen,
In light of the….huh…..recent credit crunch, I vote that we postpone any additional possibilities of another fellow american going into foreclosure on his home.
I say you keep the kid employed, otherwise I will encat a new law in place regarding your constant harrassment of him and your mighty nation, and I will also request a congressional hearing to verify your competence and sane judgement in day to day life decisions.
Sincerely Yours,
Doublya
September 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Harry Truman reportedly had a sign on his desk when he served as POTUS that said “The Buck Stops Here”.
This applies to Al Davis as he is the defacto owner, GM, scout, etc, etc, etc. The last 5 years fiasco in the end lies at his feet and at no one elses.
Al hired Norv, Shell part II, Calahan. Al signed and/or drafted all the players on the roster.
Every decision that was made that affected the roster, coaching staff, fornt office personal, press releases, etc., was given the go ahead by Al.
You can blame the last 5 years of embarassment that has been on the field on all the players and coaches that have played all you want, but it won’t change the fact that Al is ultimately resposnsible for the content and conduct of the organization. He can’t shift blame because he is the owner.
If Al doesn’t get some good football people in top positions of authority and leave them alone to do the job, we face another 5 years of being the worst team in the NFL. We will cease to be the team everyone loves to hate to the team that everyone loves to laugh at.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
The multible coaching changes is the primary factor for what we’ve seen the last 5 years. ( The rehiring of Shell & Co. being the biggest mistake)
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