McFadden as change-of-pace back?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, September 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quick hits from Lane Kiffin’s press briefing following Friday’s walkthrough as the team began boarding buses the airport for their trip to Buffalo:
– Rookie running back Darren McFadden did very little in practice and will need a pain-killing injection to face the Bills Sunday, Kiffin said.
McFadden will be watched closely during warmups, but Kiffin said it would possible Michael Bush could end up being the lead back, with McFadden coming in for a quicker, faster change-up.
The previous day, Kiffin noted that McFadden’s runs were coming in a “big play, little play,” mode rather than as conssitent yards against Kansas City and expressed concern about a possible fumble as his workload increased.
That indicates that for all the talk of curing McFadden’s fumbling problems at Arkansas, he still does not have the trust of the staff in that area.
– Kwame Harris did not practice and will almost certainly be inactive against Buffalo without what Kiffin called “a big comeback.”
That means another road start for Mario Henderson, who with a little help from his friends and coaches, effectively neutralized Chiefs right end Tamba Hali and was not called for a single penalty.
It gets tougher Sunday. Bills right end Aaron Schoebel has flown under the radar of national consciousness for the most part but his 53 sacks are the most in the AFC since 2003, four more than Indianapolis end Dwight Freeney.
– Wide receiver Javon Walker (hamstring) practiced for the second consecutive day and Kiffin said the Raiders hope to get him involved. Of course, “I said that last week, too. We’ll see what happens in warmups.”
– In Week 1, holder Brian Moorman, the Bills punter, threw a 19-yard touchdown pass to Ryan Denney on a fake field goal attempt.
Now all the Raiders have to do is make sure they’ve got the 19 trick plays covered. The Buffalo special teams, coached by Bobby April, are considered among the best in the league and also among the most deceptive.
“They do a lot of stuff,” Kiffin said. “We’ve got 20 different fakes on film over the years from this, and so we have to be on our toes at all times. They’re not afraid to do anything.”
Kiffin said the Bills have displayed trickery even deep in their own territory.
The Week 1 touchdown pass from Moorman to Denney also included a 63-yard punt return by Roscoe Parrish and a forced fumble by Jon Corto which was later converted to a touchdown.
– The acquistion of 6-foot-6, 310-pound Marcus Stroud has dropped an anchor in the middle of the Buffalo defense, and it’s worth noting that the Raiders have had trouble getting untracked with both the run and pass against teams with elite, powerful tackles such as Albert Haynesworth of Tennessee, the Kevin and Pat Williams of Minnesota, and (when healthy) Jamal Williams of San Diego.
Kiffin didn’t attempt to hide his concern for the matchup between Stroud and Cooper Carlisle, the right guard who has been the Raiders most steady lineman since he arrived. Kiffin said Cooper sometimes has trouble holding his own against big tackles with a huge push.
“He’s on Cooper most of the game, and if there’s something that Cooper isn’t very good at, that would be it. He’s 296 pounds, so he does get pushed sometimes,” Kiffin said. “It is a concern for us and we’ve got a plan, but you can pick five plays out of each of those games where he’s just dominating those plays.”
While defending the run, Kiffin said large, physical tackles, prevent the Raiders from hooking linemen out of a play, and that zone blocking works better run away from players like Stroud then running at them.
Stretching the field on them brings in the possibility of a cut block.
“Once you put it in his head guys are going to cut, and they feel that, now they slow down,” Kiffin said.
– Former Raider tackle Langston Walker, who was part of a offensive line that gave up 72 sacks in 2006, has drawn raves from Bills coach Dick Jauron and by all reports seems to have regained the sense of humor and engaging personality he had in Oakland until things went downhill under Art Shell.
Walker even subbed for left tackle Jason Peters on Week 1 and did a solid job, switching back to his familar right tackle spot in Week 2.
Prone to having difficulties with speed rushers in Oakland, Walker will be faced with Derrick Burgess Sunday.
– In case you haven’t seen it, Kiffin has some support in the form of a web page which wants him retained as head coach.
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September 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
hey nation ready for some football
September 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
TEST I’m a slut TEST
September 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
good to hear
September 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
JaMarcus Russell is going to be key
September 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Huge game for our O line! At some point we’ll have to take a deep shot down the field.
September 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Anyone remember the debate a few months ago about strongside and weakside? Notice the Under Tackle goes up against right guard most of the time……and the LDE goes up against the RT……..the right side of the line is generally the strong side
September 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
RUN BUSH 25 TIMES, THROW AS A CHANGE OF PACE, AND WIN THE TURNOVER BATTLE….AND WE WILL BE FINE
September 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Jamarcus benefits from the conservative-make minimum mistake football.
we have to hit Lelie down the sideline early in the game on first down against run d formation
September 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Even a hillbilly mooseslut knows the strong side is where the TE lines up, which can be either side. Right and left have nada to do with it (except in politics!!!)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Yeah, but with Fargas out and McFadden injured, they’re going to have to lean on JaMarcus more.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Have to hit them with some playaction during the game. This will be the first zone blocking team they face. I don’t believe any of the AFC East teams zone block and I know Jacksonville doesn’t. Seattle may zone block though…..Should be interesting to see how our running game gets established
September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Caribou……..wrong…….in most cases where does the tight end lineup? Not next to the left tackle……..if you believe that then you are badly misinformed my Red state friend
September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Thank goodness Al let Lane get on the plane
September 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I say rest Dmac and bring up rankin from the PS……..turf toe is a b*tch……….Bush gotta carry the load…….as it is we will not run the rock like many think we will
September 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I’m sure Al Davis is hoping the Raiders lose.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
LANSTON WALKER
had some really nice moments on special teams blocking field goals for the Raiders.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Seattle most definitely zone blocks
September 19th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
al Davis never wants to lose Kell…….try again
September 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Repost:
S&B — Kiffin has exactly the same level of responsibility and input afforded to about 75-80% of NFL head coaches. What in his resume makes him deserve more power?
And people saying Gruden calls all the shots in Tampa? That’s a crock — Gru might swing a big bat, but he won’t swing it too hard on that defensive side of the ball, will he? If you lived anywhere near Tampa, you’d all know that Gruden’s been on the hot seat there — kinda like Kiffin is here — for years. Just last year, Jeff Garcia probably saved Gruden’s (job).
September 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
# Brien Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Caribou……..wrong…….in most cases where does the tight end lineup? Not next to the left tackle……..if you believe that then you are badly misinformed my Red state friend
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Brien, sadly you are wrong.. the strong side is the side where the TE lines up, if its left or right doesn’t matter, the ‘STRONG’ comes from more men and more power on that side.. Guard, Tackle AND the TE…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Oh yeah,
He wants Lane to lose.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
KK that has to be the most rediculous statement you’ve ever made, and you,ve made a bunch of them
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
My tea and crumpets friend…………wrong……..the tight ends in most cases lineup next to the RT……..this is just pure fact
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I hope Lane wears a parachute.
Agree with S&B about play action because you know Bill will take deep shots and test our press coverage.
We have to score at leat two touchdowns..Maybe T.HOWARD
is due for int. return.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I say we run it right at Stroud to begin the game. Take away his confidence. 3 guys: carlisle, griffith and bush running through his gap. get low coop! griffith will hit him high and Bush will plow through the middle for 5 yard gains. then pitch it outside to mcfadden for 5-10 yards gains. bush & dmc won’t fumble this game. Russell will hit Miller for a TD pass. We’re gonna find creative ways to get this guy the ball. I want to see 3 WR sets with Curry & Lelie streaking down the sideline and Walker going over the middle. I don’t want Javon in a footrace with that injured hammy. I’m sure he can get open and catch the ball matched up against a nickel or dime corner. Miller against a LB would be a mismatch. They’ll have a safety on him. Hopefully that frees up a WR and hopefully that WR can catch the football!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Tell me why in the phuck the SLB play near the LDE…….who goes up agaisnt the RT?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Why the hell is Thomas Howard a WLB then?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Well rockstar we are gonna have to run it somehwere against that dline……….I doubt we get 150 yards onthe ground……….turnovers and special teams are the only shot to winning this game
September 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Repost:
S&B — Kiffin has exactly the same level of responsibility and input afforded to about 75-80% of NFL head coaches
Maybe, but they’re Coaching in a professional structure, where they have GM’s, and professional personnel depts and aren’t on the verge of a NFL record 6 double-digit losing seasons in a row.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Waiting Euro Road Trip
September 19th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
# Brien Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
My tea and crumpets friend…………wrong……..the tight ends in most cases lineup next to the RT……..this is just pure fact
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yup thats true.. but the term of Strong side, comes from whether the TE lines up left or right side..
seems to me you avoid that fact pretty thorough
September 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Brien..
if the o lines up the TE on left side, most often the LB shift accordingly..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
You seem to miss the fact that the percentage of plays where the TE lines up is next to the right tackle………there is no disputing this
September 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Anybody who doesn’t think that Egomaniac doesn’t want Lane Kiffin to lose his last 2 games is……still in denial.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
come on Criquet I know you are smarter than this
September 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Brien, You’re wrong bud.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
ROCKSTAR
I like the idea of 3 wr’s set..unfortunately the defense wont respect our passing game til we show consitencey with passing for first downs.
We will continue to focus on pass protection and not exotoc formations.
Bills defense arent scared of seeing curry walker and leleie lining up unfortunately.
Maybe its time for CHAD
September 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Brien, although in most cases the TE lines up on the right, what happens when he lines up on the left? Is the right still the strong side? The TE determines the strong side EVERY time, regardless of right or left.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
The Danes do tea and crumpets? LMAO
September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Brien..
sorry, its a waste of time.. now you just seem stupeed..
it has nothing to do what percentage.. dammit..
the definition of strongside is where the TE lines up..
The weak LB/SLB shifts accordingly to what the ‘O’ does, how they line up their TE..
its basic football.. if i know this you oughta know it as well
September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
More like beer and potatoes, me thinks…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
So European Vacation……….you telling me when the TE motions after lining up next to the RT the WLB and SLB just switch……….all the time? Come on stop going to popping pills and raves and listen to god awful techno music and get it in gear my friend
September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I’m sure Al Davis is hoping the Raiders lose.
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KK — You’re SURE Al wants his own team to lose? I guess that would be a sure sign of the terrible aging problems you say he’s going through.
Is it possible that you’re too old to be viable, also? Too old to have an opinion that matters? You’re both certainly too old to run a company, large or small.
I say again, KK — Perhaps you and Al can have adjoining rooms at the old-folks’ home, where you can both talk about your old memories. You know, memories of how Al built, rebuilt, and rebuilt again, team after team over the years, while all you can recall are a few glory teams and Al’s worst moves?
Methinks KK, that in the old-folks’ home, Al would beat you in chess, checkers, or NFL team-running on any given day.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Oh people you outta see Vegas in the last blog….he claims Farglass is our best all around back LOL
September 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
LMN, in handball which is the strong side? Is it the side nearest the lunch room or the side nearest the school bus stop?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Carabtou and KoolKell..
thanks, I might not be as eloquent as you guys, but the point is the same..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Bush needs to work on finishing his runs and not fumbling at the end of them (one lost fumble, and one almost fumble in 15 carries is a little scary)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Lol, Brien just got schooled in football knowledge by a Europ3an!
LMFAO
September 19th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Brien..
no often teh MLB just re-assign the tasks.. but if you have a LB with a nack of covering the TE or blocking him.. you would let him change side to do what his job is..
its basic football, my friend.. oh and btw I think you have my country mixed grossly by another..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Oh yeah, Al Davis wants to be shown up by Lane Kiffin, and listen to more of his lip?
Of course he’s hoping Lane get’s his assz kicked.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Dakota=Zieg Heil!!! What’s up my willing brother
September 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Brien, you gotta improve your Euro bashing lexicon. Raves, pills, techno are actually bay area staples.
Euros don’t believe in daily bathing, brushing their teeth, working for a living, defending their own pseudo-continent, or TV that doesn’t feature David Hasselhoff and Jerry Lewis.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Big E: Chad Jackson?
I know Curry, Lelie & Walker don’t demand double coverage, but I’d like to see a less conservative gameplan this week. It probably won’t happen on the road, but it’s a good time to try while the running backs are dinged up. Russell has a cannon for an arm. A couple bombs might keep the defense honest unless J Russ gets sacked or throws an interception. If we complete a few long passes it may give JaMarcus some confidence
September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I doubt Trent Edwards has the success of Cutler did passing the ball. The Bills will have a balanced attack and try and make us pass to win, wouldn’t you ? Bush is capable of carrying the load and I’m sure he will protect the football. they really need to get Miller going if he not in blocking every down. I think its going to be a low scoring game though. I hope
September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
LMN is completely off……….the tight end generally lines up to the RT…….that is basic football…….in some instances we see the tight end motion to where the LT is but often more than not the strongside is the right side of the line……..what dont you guys get
September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
if there are two TE’s..which side is the strong side?
couldnt resist
September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Carabou Barbie..
well I’m not that into Handball, but I know its helluva viewer friendly sport.. those guys are huge as basketball players and the women usually very hot.. the Danish team that won the olympics in Seoul i hat a teenage crush on two of the girls of the national team..
I liked their small hot shorts =)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
schooled by a Eruopean? Ha at what dressing metrosexual?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Caribou LOL……….people dont rave in the bay area anymore my friend…………pills yup we pop them cuz we are bored LMAO……techno? man im fron oakland no one in oakland listens to that shhhhhit
September 19th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Hopefully McFadden can make a few big plays early in the game to give us a comfortable lead to where we can rest him then let bush handle the remaining load of carries. I hope Mario is ready again, this will be a real challenge for him. I still think we are seeing the last days of Kiffin. Its gonna be a crazy season for us.
IM IN,,,(the strip club with no money)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
be back later……..purple time
September 19th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Brien..
just stop it now, you are humiliating yourself..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Brien: If Kiffen says Fargas is the heart and soul of our offense, I think most people in here will take his word over yours. What’s your beef with Fargas, he has showed more heart the last few years than just about anybody on the roster? He can’t catch, but Dmac can’t block and Bush fumbles in the fourth quarter, so everybody has their strengths and weaknesses.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
LMN, Fine. Handball is an acceptable oppportunity for scoping chicks, as is ice dancing and rhythmic gymnastics… But is it a sport? Not unless you include tetherball and Red Rover too… (sorry, perhaps a vague reference…do you have recess in Europe?)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Brien…
post 59.. LOL now you ARE stup1d.. he wasn’t referring to Oakland..
I think you should take a few hours horizontal and lay off those purple stuff for some time.. =)
September 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Wouldn’t it have been wiser to cut somebody like Madsen or Morris and bring Rankin into the 53?
If Bush gets hurt, we have only a wounded DMC. Rankin would give us some insurance.
The Saints just cut Alvin McKinley to take Harrington as their 3rd QB. McKinley isn’t the biggest or the youngest DT but he is smart and reliable. I still think only having 3 DTs on the roster is an unnecessary risk.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Rockstar
sorry meant chilenz the rookie (sp?)
Maybe you right and this would be the week to connect on some long passes. I know Curry could use the cofidence boost.
Id luv to see it too. I like going deep on first down or even the first play of the game.
Hopefully play action will set it up. I think McFadden will be productive despite toe.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
carabou..
best girls in sports are.. oh let me say in “Sports” are badminton girls and synchronize swimmers..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Brien — You’ve lost this argument before. The strong side of the line, is the side that has the TE on it, period. Technically, the strong-side is the side that has the most players on it…where the TE is during a given play has been commonly referred to as the strong-side for years.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
badminton? They looked like asian transvestites to me this summer. I like the volleyball hoes, maybe just because I’m tall…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
THE RAIDERS WILL WIN, IF…
They hold Buffalo to less than 100 yards rushing (Buffalo has averaged 90 yards on the ground the past 2 games).
Hold Marshawn Lynch to no more than his average of 3.6 ypc.
Pressure Edwards – he’s to accurate to let him have all day like we did against denver. I would match Burgess against Langston (although the Bills really like Langston)…http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/442020.html
Can’t Turn the ball over. We had some fumbles against KC and we can’t afford that against Buffalo.
Offensively we need to gain at least 120 on the ground. This could open up the passing game. Hopefully Mcfaddens toe doesn’t affect him (like to see what he could do on the turf).
Weather should be around 55 degrees with wind at 9 mph, so there shouldn’t be a problem with Russell’s accuracy…But can the receivers hold onto the ball???
This game is winnable…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
carabou..
well if you talk recess sports, then i wouldn’t talk if I was you… do you know baseball..
its a game we stop play when we are about 10.. we call it roundball.. but that is the most pathetic pro sport..grown men with black teeth who play a “sport” for 10 year olds..!?
thats the wuzziest sport ever.. I have more respect for curling…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
The term “strong side” refers to the offensive team formation and not the field itself. In an unbalanced formation with more offensive players on one side of the center than the other, the side with more players is considered the “strong side.” The extra man is usually the tight end and with a right-handed quarterback, he will normally line up on the right side of the line. Hence, the right side of the offensive team’s line is usually the “strong side.”
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL END THAT ISSUE…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
HD#37..
give it up, he simply doens’t understand.. he think that percentage or number of snaps has something to do with it.. he simply doesn’t understand it..
September 19th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
wattup brien?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Cut Sam Williams and bring Louis Rankin!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I’m no fan of baseball either, although it IS a sport. Just a sport that is fixed by the owners: juiced balls and bats and players.
The weakest olympic sport is very clearly handball.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
HayesDaze#37 was right on what he said about the strong side and weak side…
September 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
HayesDayz–
“And people saying Gruden calls all the shots in Tampa? That’s a crock — Gru might swing a big bat, but he won’t swing it too hard on that defensive side of the ball, will he?”
Methinks that if Rob Ryan was running the defense in Tampa that he would be swinging for the fences on the defensive side of the ball.
Kiffin has no input on the defensive side of the ball. Not a top performing defense, but a defense that struggled all last year and for the last 5 years.
I am hopeful that Rob Ryan puts together a defensive game plan against the Bills that allows us to stay in the game!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Save Kiffin go here and sign the petition http://www.keepkiffin.com/Guestbook.php
everyone should understand Kiffin is the best coach we’ve had in 5 years and he has been the freshest breath of a air this organization has had since the super bowl. To lose him would be devastating and would continue this whirlwind of disaster.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
So Europeans have roundball, handball, and football (soccer). Does that make golf “stickball” or the shotput “shoulderball”?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Gentlemen,
In light of the….huh…..recent credit crunch, I vote that we postpone any additional possibilities of another fellow american going into foreclosure on his home.
I say you keep the kid employed, otherwise I will enact a new law in to protect him with secret service due to your constant harrassment of him and your mighty nation, and I will also request a congressional hearing to verify your competence and sane judgement in day to day life decisions.
Sincerely Yours,
Doublya
September 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Lost, I like your optimism. Raiders will have to play near perfect to win with what that have. Also need to contain Roscoe Parrish. I would love nothing more than a win, but honestly I think with the situation at hand it’s nearly impossible. From on article by a former Raider “There are 31 organizations in the NFL and the Raiders who are unorganized”. Al still signs every expense report.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
losT
luv it..you got the temperature and wind speed.
People always over look that but coaches dont.
I am glad this game is now and not in DEC
CHAMPIOSHIP GAME NIGHTMARE
“offsides defense on number #75″ Howie Long
September 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
NATION the bills are going down!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
The worst olympic sport is curling? No debate at all
September 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
the biggest challenge for the team this week is who is going to catch the ball ? Kiffin sounded really confident in Walker Vegas Raiders’ practice today. We need it to be Miller time Sunday with a shot Johnny Lee. I just don’t think this O-line can pass block to be consistent.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Vegas did you post the over under yet?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
LMN-leave baseball alone my friend.the most difficult task in sports-hit that little round ball going 100mph.where else in sports if you succeed 1out of 3 times you are considered good?
September 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
the under is like 36
September 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
What up 408: 36.5 is the total, no movement at all the last few days. Haven’t seen the Raiders under 9 all week, 9 or 9.5. Packers and Titans this week fellas, book it
September 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
thanx
4fer!
September 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
408-i believe its 36.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Maybe we can make some Al Davis masks to wear at the game with signs saying “Al Must GO!!!. The picture of him on ESPN would be perfect. Old man is never gonna get it till he is dead. He controls every stinkin nickel that goes through the door at HQ. He fires anyone who disagrees with him and lets the players do whatever the hell they want. Gannon even said in an interview that even during the playoff seasons it was a struggle everyday. He didn’t know if players would even show up at times. You have a bunch of overpaid, underachieving 20 somethings running around without any sort of discipline. That worked back in the 70’s with Stabler, Stork and the bunch, but not nowadays.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
post 89… Raider head coach
September 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Carabou..
“The weakest olympic sport is very clearly handball.”
“So Europeans have roundball, handball, and football (soccer). Does that make golf “stickball” or the shotput “shoulderball”?”
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its because you run round, in a ring you know its should be called square ball…
but then again pipe down, why is NFL called football, I mean its illigal to kick the ball on most plays.. not much logic there is there?
There are more people who play handball than baseball and american football combined..
Its just that americans love isolation, and domination..
which means, things the rest of the world does is stupid in american optics, and what americans does should the rest of the world do as well, asap preferable , again in american optics..
but if it makes you the big bad wolf to say bad things about a sport.. then fine by me.. it doesn’t change the fact its very viewer friendly live and on tv, its high paced not like american sports where you fall asleep between plays.. it last for an hour, actual an hour, not like 60min becomes 3½ hour rally..
lastly, you would/could dominate the sport within 10 years if you wanted to.. all those athletes who isn’t good enough to NBA/NFL/MLB would have a sport right there.. instead they are used car dealer with lives on their college stardom..
But of course isolation is way better =)
September 19th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
# lefty12 Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
LMN-leave baseball alone my friend.the most difficult task in sports-hit that little round ball going 100mph.where else in sports if you succeed 1out of 3 times you are considered good?
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LOL yeah pathetic..
black Jack or Texas Hold’em should be considered a sport before baseball..
September 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Run like hell! Bush Bush Bush Bush….
You better Run!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I hope the players really give everything for Kiffin against the Bills. The Fans are doing all they can to support Kiffin. The media are 95% supportive of Kiffin. But, the one thing that would really make Al Davis stop and think, would be for the players to produce a performance of precision and intensity on Sunday.
I don’t think Davis is totally clear what his next move will be. I think the criticism and the threats have had an impact and are praying on his mind. If the team put up a great performance on Sunday, it will go along way to shoring up Kiff’s position with the Raiders.
And the key man on Sunday is Burgess – because the one weakness of this Bills defense is a lack of speed along the DLine. They are very strong but they can be outflanked. We need to be very aggressive and go after Edwards. Burgess is the key – although I would like Ryan to release Howard and even the CBs to blitz.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Bob Marley..
Where are you, bro?? I think you’ll kick my azz in FFL this week.. LOL I just hope that AP stays injured, that would be good for my Chester Taylor =)
LOL
September 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Scottish..
I think, or at least thats how I read last game, they played for Kiffin.. if thats what it takes to get’em focused then okay, lets hope its a plan between Al and Lane.. Lol not likely =) I know.. nothing wrong with hoping though =)
September 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
LMN
I’m still with you on the handball thing.. & I still get to pick the cheerleaders when you bring it to the states! =)
September 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Well, I have been saying it on here all week: Mike Bush is getting the start, and McFadden will have limited snaps. I am thinking that Kiffin will mostly use him as a decoy. The 160 yards he pinned on KC, will force Buffalo to respect the kid. So while they are busy watching where we line-up McFadden, Bush will be punching them in the mouth. Turf toe + turf field = a good reason to keep McFadd off the field as much as possible. My 3rd humble prediction; Walker will lead the team in catches for the game, followed very closely by Miller.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
I seem to recall that Harry Truman reportedly had a sign on his desk when he served as POTUS that said “The Buck Stops Here”.
This applies to Al Davis as he is the defacto owner, GM, scout, etc, etc, etc. The last 5 years fiasco in the end lies at his feet and at no one elses.
Al hired Norv, Shell part II, Calahan. Al signed and/or drafted all the players on the roster.
Every decision that was made that affected the roster, coaching staff, fornt office personal, press releases, etc., was given the go ahead by Al.
You can blame the last 5 years of embarassment that has been on the field on all the players and coaches that have played all you want, but it won’t change the fact that Al is ultimately resposnsible for the content and conduct of the organization. He can’t shift blame because he is the owner.
If Al doesn’t get some good football people in top positions of authority and leave them alone to do the job, we face another 5 years of being the worst team in the NFL. We will cease to be the team everyone loves to hate to the team that everyone loves to laugh at.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
On NFlNetwork Wagaman said that several prominant players, naming Namdi in particular, said firing Kiffin would be mistake. Namdi said he has the team playing hard and pointed in the right direction.Even the players want Kiffin to stay!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Al Davis is more and more starting to turn into Charlie Finley in a lot of ways.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
408..
true, haven’t forgot that. they clearly lack here =)
why not make cheerleading a olympic sport it will assure you some more gold medals, its just as logical as when they added soft ball..
September 19th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Walker will find a way to not play, and pick up his check Monday
September 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Hopefully its Langston and not javon
September 19th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
POLE DANCING
the next great Olmpic Sport
September 19th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
At this point Jimmy JJ Walker would be more productive than Javon at this point.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Wheres my f’in post damn it!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I hope you wrong Vegas! We need Walker to ball out!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
DYNO-MITE!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Nnamdi21
you must of said sho3s
September 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
LMN,
I just got back from Zurich and Montreux. Montreux was just like being on the Riviera, gorgeous. I aint tryin to brag, but I bought a lot outside Montreux in Montbovon. Hope to build in 3-4 yrs
I love Europe.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
R8ER JUAN,
YOU ARE ONE STUPID INDIVIDUAL !!! WOULD YOUU RECOGNIZE TALENT IF YOU SAW IT????? IYOU MUST HAVE MISSED THE FOOTBALL 101 CLASS THAT WAS OFFERED !!!
YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED A LOT!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Posted abig long forensic ananlysis of Jerry blog and the f’in thing won’t let me post it.
Nuts.
Anyway…
This gave me some hope.
http://raidernationstation.com/2008_regular_season
The Bills have smacked around some worked over teams the first 2 games.
Jayzuz, the Jags lost their center and BOTH guards!
No wonder the Bills had 7 sacks.
Show them up Oakland. we need a spark and a win now more than ever.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I hope I am wrong too 408, but have we seen anything that would support us thinking that Jovan is going to ball on Sunday. I would rather see Higgins or Schillens or even Watkins get some run
September 19th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Pece nation and let f’in DO IT RAIDERS!!!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
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September 19th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Congrats KK on your purchase. Did you get stung on the conversion, although our dollar has been much stronger as of late
September 19th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Brien,
This argument over the strong side is making you sound like a mentally disabled child trying to read aloud in class. The strong side is where the TE lines up period! Sure he may line up on the right 99 plays out of 100, but that one play on the left side makes the left the strong side. GEEZ and if it is two tight ends then it is double tight! kinda like the Raiderettes hehe they can do the split ya know
September 19th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
I always thought the Strong-Side is what ever side has more people on the line from center. The TE usually changes the balance, but what if there is a two TE set?
September 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Scratch that, I get it
September 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Thanks Vegas,
I had previously purchased Swiss Francs in anticipation, the dollar was already falling. That’s one reason I bought over there. Bush etal are one disaster after another.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
The dollar has rallied the last two weeks, don’t know why with all these tax-payer backed bailouts dilluting the dollar even more
September 19th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Won’t argue with you on Bush, thought I know you won’t agree, Obama isn’t the answer. Neither is McCain for that matter. I am a salesman, and we can smell another one out, and that is all Obama is, a salesman
September 19th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Bush is the answer just give him the damn ball!!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Good one 4FER, nice transition
September 19th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
sign the petition just to show your support for Kiffin, a step toward stability
how many fans will have the balls not oto be Raider fans anmore if KIffin is fired..when is enuff is enuff.
I guess people can like the colors silver n black and willl hate davis or support him…BUT
I am sick of this crap…loosing defending AL..reading BS articles from media who love to Hate..
A whole generation of fans grew up in homes where they hate AL DAVIS and talk about post Davis Era…its sad but true.
whats the future of this team? going to games spenidng money and buying this crap ?
Ill have the balls to retire as a fan. I already loved them and Davis is a heartbreaker.
Kiffin is out-Ill gladly follow.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Little scared about Michael Bush, after he nearly fumbled in the first half, Griffith got in his face and told him something, probably to protect the ball. 4th quarter, he actually fumbled, and thankfully the D bailed him out and gave him another chance to make amends
September 19th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Who thought that two weeks in were already down to one healthy running back? great planning or dumb luck?
September 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Kiffin said, “I thought Woodson didn’t practice anyway, the stories I heard. I don’t think it had anything to do with his toe.”
I loved the Kiff comment on the previous post. Woodson was something else I would see that Dude in the club until 3 in the morning the night before games.
From all accounts that I heard he doesnt workout much and relies on raw talent. If that guy actually worked out he would peobably be one of the best to ever play.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Anyone know who created the website- keepkiffin.com?
September 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I don’t know if luck is the right work 4FER. My Over/under on reverses to WR, to offset the load for the RB’s is 3.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Too bad D Russell followed his example.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I always gnu that Langston Walker was a “Super” Mario wannabe!
September 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
didn’t Langston used to line up in the back field on running plays ?
September 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
J.Russ will have a chance to be a stud this week. Perhaps it is tuck and go or just let it fly, the Franchise will get opportunities this week.
(What does Kid Kiff have to lose?)
September 19th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Screw the negativity about WRs, inexperience, lack of pass rush and Bills special teams, the Shawnee used to disguise themselves and bait the bison to run over a cliff to their deaths of their own free will.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
How could I miss the similarities of the Shawnee and the Raiders ?
September 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Vegas I want Chaz to get on the field but boy genius(kiffin) dosent trust him to run routs 4 what ever reason.. So we gotta hope walker grows a pair and does his thing!
September 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Grow a pair of what legs?
September 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Maybe Curry will grow some hands.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
a pair of tits?
September 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Mike and Grant are having Tim Brown on at 5:30 and he is gonna be taking calls.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Chaz reminds me a lot of what the Chargers have in Vincent Jackson. Big guy at 6′4 225lbs or so and ran a 4.35 40 yard dash.. Raw as can be but athletic as hell. If he can get some more playing time throughout the year I bet he develops in to a great 7th round pick for us.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
R8R4FER,
If Tecumseh were alive and a fan of the NFL, he would definitely be in the Raider Nation.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Im happy for Langston. Remember when that Dude started blockin all those punts. That was some exciting stuff.
I also want Burgess to embarass him on Sun.
Not personal Langston…just business.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
not punts…I meant FGs
September 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Is it me of is Kiff too frickin forthcoming. As a fan I appreciate the insight, but dude keep some stuff underneath the hat.
Belicheat dont tell the media crap.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Langston blocked the kick in the snow against Denver. Porter’s best game ever in the snow. What a joke
September 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
M.. I guess they both wore paint on game day
September 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
bunch of comedians in here!
September 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
And fought a lifelong battle against overwhelming forces. Because it was right to do so.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
At least Tecumseh made good lawn mower engines.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I think I had this conversation with Brien b4.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
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September 19th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
whats up Nation
September 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
“LMN,
I just got back from Zurich and Montreux. Montreux was just like being on the Riviera, gorgeous. I aint tryin to brag, but I bought a lot outside Montreux in Montbovon. Hope to build in 3-4 yrs
I love Europe.”
KoolKell
Nice work man. Here I am talking to you about buying some property in Oregon and your off in Switzerland buying a spot of your own! Big props to you my friend and congratulations on your investment.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Yeah Beer:30! & Blunt:35
September 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
what the hell is turf toe can anyone explain
September 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
the raiders passing game will stay the same until we get recievers that can do more tnan run a 4.4 40. this philosphy has never gotten us any where what we have on our team is a group of james jett’s and rocket ismail’s
September 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Timmy -
orthopedics.about.com/cs/toeproblems/a/toeproblems_5.htm
that should help
September 19th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
hello
September 19th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Fluid sac at the base of your toe either is inflamed or ruptures– I don’t know. Google it. Hurts like hell.
Hey, McAfee lost the naming rights today so it is back to Oak-Alameda Coliseum. Seeing as the rights ‘only’ add up to about 1.2 mil/yr, how about buying it for one year & naming it KIFFY’S PLACE?
September 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
cut and paste link in post #165
September 19th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Turf toe is a condition of pain at the base of the big toe, located at the ball of the foot. The condition is usually caused from either jamming the toe, or pushing off repeatedly when running or jumping. The most common complaint is pain at the base of the toe, but you may also have symptoms of stiffness and swelling.
The name turf toe comes from the fact that this injury is especially common among athletes who play on artificial turf. The hard surface of artificial turf, combined with running and jumping in football and soccer, make turf toe a frequent consequence of artificial turn play. There has also been some blame on athletic footwear. The more flexible shoes, especially used in competition, provides less support to the forefoot joints, possibly contributing to the prevalence of turf toe.
What happens to the toe in turf toe?
When a player sustains a turf toe injury they are actually tearing the capsule that surrounds the joint at the base of the toe. Tearing this joint capsule can be extremely painful. Furthermore, tear of the joint capsule can lead to instability and even dislocation of the joint at the base of the toe. This may lead to accelerated cartilage wear and arthritis of the big toe.
Will turf toe return?
Unfortunately, turf toe can return, and rehabilitation may be slow. Most athletes have trouble when they try to come back to sports too soon after sustaining a turf toe injury. Surgery is rarely needed for treatment of turf toe, but in certain cases it may be helpful. If a bone spur forms, and severely limits motion of the toe joint, surgery to remove the spur may be helpful.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
keepkiffin.com mentioned on the NFL Network at the end of the broadcast. Says 2500 signatures.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Yeah, but out of those 2500 sigs MR posted as me 2200 times. At least he admitted it.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Burgess should have an excellent game this week. Considering who he’s up against!
September 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
ww.wheelessonline.com/ortho
/turf_toe_disloca…
timmy
September 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
http://www.wheelessonline.com/ortho/turf_toe_disloca...
September 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
there was a cool picture to go with it but my link doesnt work just do google image search.. looks like a big time owweee
September 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
we just signed Ben troupe to add depth at TE. This is a good move, and a sure sign that the Raiders are still working to shore up the roster. Troup is an upgrade over Tony Stewart on offense, and with us being a run team, we needed depth at TE badly.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
BTW I love the name of the Stadium. The Oakglenn Alameda County Coliseum. Always loved that name.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
damn jerry getting scooped by Dick V even!
September 19th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Great article on ESPN about looney tune AL. Anyone who doesn’t believe Al has majority ownership needs to rethink that. If Al had less than 50% the rest of the investors would boot his old azz out. Now we are stuck with his desire to win at all cost. Only problem is it isn’t about winning football games. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Al purposely brought Javon in and purposely talked him out of retirement just to fu*k with Kiffin. Those of you who are trying to “save” Kiffin. Don’t bother. Kiffin wants out badly, he just doesn’t want Al to get the best of him. Al really is GWB, Chuck Manson and Hitler rolled into one madman.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Pft posted it within the last hour
September 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Thanks Dogg. My wife is from Switzerland, ya know.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
PFT is like the enquirer for football…
Im just sayin tho
September 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Beleive it or not i still feel good about the year: i think al is challanging Kiffin right now and we are seeing what Kiffin is made of.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
We’re going to need some plays from the passing game Sunday.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Dick V–I hope Ben Troupe doesn’t try to pick up any loose balls on punt returns. Guy should have been cut on the spot.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Al is challenging Kiffin????????
He’ll figure out a way to take credit for winning Sunday, of gloat and fire Kiffin.
Either way he’s covered, right?
September 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Anyone else think Walker is in for a long day against Burgess?
September 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
correction
Al is challenging Kiffin????????
He’ll figure out a way to take credit for winning Sunday, or gloat if we lose and fire Kiffin.
Either way he’s covered, right?
September 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Repost:
S&B — Kiffin has exactly the same level of responsibility and input afforded to about 75-80% of NFL head coaches. What in his resume makes him deserve more power?
Funniest quote I read online in a long time.
Q: for whoever wrote it name me 1 Other current NFL coach that is not allowed to hire or fire his own assistant coaches? Just one, I’ll wait but I already know the answer.
Kiffin doesn’t want all the power, he wants the power to be able to control his own coaching staff and have major input into the needs of the team. Most Head Coaches WORK with their GMs on player evaluations and player needs. It doesn’t mean they don’t have any power. Hell you think that Tony Dungy has no power in Indy when it comes to drafting and signing free agents? do you think he makes a reccomendation? does that mean he has the power of the GM no. What it means is that they WORK together for the good of the team. What do we have here in Oakland?
An owner who is the Gm
An owner who is the Talent Scout (surrounded by yes men)
An owner who won’t let his own head coach hire and fire his OWN assistants.
—-Now tell me again which of the 75-80% of other nfl coaches have the same power as Kiffin. Make it easy for anyone name me 1 JUST ONE other NFL head coach, who cannot hire and fire his own assistant coaches…..
I’m waiting.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Challanging=torture/abuse/humiliate
September 19th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I lost my job because I couldn’t get along with my GM. Al hire me.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Since the Raiders WR corps is questionable at best (except for Schilens, why hasn’t he been upped on the depth chart?) it should be a no-brainer that the ball gets in the hands of JR’s go-to, Zach Miller. I think the problem there though is that they rely on Miller so much on the line to protect JR.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
This was already mentioned but this is a GREAT move by the Raiders. Lets finally add a quality all purpose TE outside of Miller and move Madsen to WR.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
RAIDERS SIGN BEN TROUPE
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 19, 2008, 8:26 p.m.
When Buccaneers tight end Jerramy Stevens was activated this week following the completion of his two-game suspension, the Bucs cut tight end Ben Troupe to make room for Stevens on the 53-man roster.
But Troupe wasn’t out of work for long.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that the Raiders signed Troupe today, giving JaMarcus Russell another target.
Troupe is a 6-foot-4, 260-pounder who is a good athlete and showed a great deal of promise in college at Florida, but he hasn’t lived up to that promise in the NFL. With the Titans last year, Troupe caught just five passes for 47 yards. He played in both of the Buccaneers’ games this season but didn’t catch a pass.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 59 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Troupe is a five-year veteran who the Titans drafted in the second round out of Florida. He has excellent size for the position and is used primarily as a blocking tight end in their double-tight end sets. He has the size and strength to seal off the corner and is athletic enough to sustain his blocks when he wants to. The issue is he often looks a little casual when blocking and does not finish blocks off like he could. Troupe is a good athlete and can make things look easy.
He tends to ease off the line rather than being explosive, does not show a big burst out of his breaks and struggles to separate from good coverage. He has a wide receiving radius and can reach out to pluck the ball in pretty much all areas. He has been a bit of an underachiever and still struggles to show the kind of intensity and all-out effort, which is expected at this level. His production fell off in 2007 as he caught just five passes for 47 yards on the year. With the raw tools he has to work with he is apt to command some attention in the free agent market and Tennessee is not likely to throw a lot of money his way to try and keep him.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
the kid has been calling him out for his handling of operations since the Colts game lasy year, and he tried to jump ship for Arkansas and UCLA. What did you all expect Al to do. I said repeatedly that Kiffin should stick to coaching and just deal with Al quitely while he builds trust with his boss. Kiffin has brought this upon himself. I want him to be here, but he knew who he was calling out, and if he doesn’t he knows now. Lane needs to have a little more respect for Al. Al is not dumb, but he does hold grudges, and does have the authority to run operations.
Now lane knows dversity and what it feels like to be under pressure: how will he respond… I am betting he will respond with victories.
You want to see a team that is hopeless… watch the Bungals vs the Giants this weeend and tell me if they want to play football. All is not well in Oakland, but they are still fighting.
Adversity shows peoples true colors we already know Al’s. I just saw what Mike Taylor and John Herrera were about. Rob Ryan stepped his game up, and I am saying Lane will man up and learn to be more tactful when dealing with th tyrant.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
Hope he can contribute
September 19th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Who’s going to be cut to make room for Troupe ? Anyway welcome aboard to the circus.
September 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
195. Good post Good analysis Huff 24
September 19th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Wishbone-post 184
If you are talking about that play on Sunday, the guy trying to pick up the ball did the right thing. Once the punting team has touched the ball the recieving team can pick it up without risk. The worst thing, if the player fumbles, the recieving team still gets the ball at the spot that it was first touched, but on the upside he could pick it up and return it the other way for a touchdown. I knew that rule and I thought it was rediculous the tv anouncers going on about how stupid it was. They just showed their own stupidity.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
yep I was telling my boy its all good its our ball & he was like fuuuuuuuk here we go again.. No faith
September 19th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
I dunno about the rest of you but I am hoping that,
Kiff has been working on the pass.
JR throws 30 plus times
Javon steps up and the rest of the WR’s step up
Bush proves he can run for 100 yards against a very good NFL defense
Our special teams play great
The defense plays their best game of the year
We win our second game.
Is that too much too ask for?
We are do a little luck for a change.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Totally agree koolaid… I was so trippin on how the announcers didn’t figure that out in the first place…
Re: new TE… w/ the lack of production from our WR’s it’s a smart idea to use Madsen for something …anything yeah?
September 19th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Norv Turner was handed Ted cotrell when he was hired: cotrell is Aj smith’s close buddy.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
If Bush can put up 100’s that’ll be huge… If Walker catches more than 6 for more than 60 yds… that’ll be huge… Ashlie can pull 4 to 8 if he gets hot… Curry is freaking me out, I trust(ed) him more than all aside of the truth miller… 4 first down conversions from Curry… very big… DMC in for 10 touches 80 + yards
September 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Sh!t
September 19th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Whats that I hear, Al signed a big ass blocking tight end?
It sure seems to me that Al has stepped up to the plate when it comes to giving Kiff weapons for his O.
Beat the dam bills!!
September 19th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
add a couple INT’s from our D… I think we can handle this… the Bills were my main concern in the first 1/4 of games… figured we’d beat the bronko’s at home *doh… oh well… expected we’d beat and run over the chiefs… check… hope for a strong showing against the bills… having to fly cross country for a game against a pretty strong Run D… then the Chargers… who knows… I still think we’ve a ways to go against them…even though Russell played pretty well against them last year… that sproles kid is runnin his tail off.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Willis — Head coach not allowed to bring in his own assistants? Ummm, let’s think real hard…one of the favorites to win it all this year would be Dallas, correct? You telling me Wade Phillips wants Jason Garrett breathing up his kilt?
As for picking coaches…
Did Lane, or did Lane not, pick Cable and Knapp — arguably the two coaches he must rely on more than any other on the offensive side of the ball — the side of the ball he was hired to overhaul? Did Lane deserve to pick his own D-Coordinator? Not just yet, for the young coach.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Did someone from here start that kiffin website?…its really getting alot of hits,…maybe it will help…I personally think Kiffin should be told publicly by Davis that for this year his gig is not in jeapardy…if he gets the team in the right direction then he should get an extension,…my take.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Im unsure the logic in Troupe,..someone clue me in,..Im pretty loaded again,..so give me a break.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Telling Kiff his job isn’t in jeopardy would be a bad idea, IMO. However, if, IF Kiffin somehow finds a way to have the team 3-2 or 4-1 (it CAN happen, I tell ya — however improbable)…then Al should tell Kiffin the Raiders would be picking up his option for year-3 of the Kiffin era.
Anything over .500 after the Bye, and Kiff has earned his extension.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I agree Hayes…and I think it will happen.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I voted. I don’t know who started it. But I went in and voted.
Kiffin needs to stay for the simple concept of continuity. The worst thing for a young QB is to go through coaches faster than going through check downs.
Do we want another Alex Smith?
Russell needs to have consistency and learn one philosophy until he gets comfortable reading NFL defenses. He’s not far. This season will make him grow a lot and next year we can have a pretty good QB on our hands. And if he develops chemistry with one of our young WRs, then he’ll be that much better.
But he doesn’t need to worry about whether he’s going to be playing Kiffin’s gameplan or somebody else’s.
Unlike most of the critics, I am worried about our players. Who are the REAL future of this team. When Kiffin gets fired he’ll go find another team. Al Davis will still be owner, and the next HC will still come in, only to get fired again.
But our players will remain the same. At least our young investments. Our QB and RB. Any decisions made, should be made with them in mind. And in turn, that will help the team in the long run.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Al Davis is a j-cat..
September 19th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
I voted too,
I also agree that after the bye week Davis needs to tell kiffin if he stays or goes and if he stays needs to offer an extension at the end of the year if we are even close to .500
September 19th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
You know what i want to know. Why is it that Herrera and the other guy want Kiffin gone. What beef do they have with him? Is it that Kiffin spoke up about some personnel issues and communication issues, and somehow those two were involved and at fault for what was going on? Could it be that they are not doing the job that they are being paid for? If not any of this, then what’s the beef?
Just a thought…
PS- I voted too.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
we signed a TE ben troupe,whoever that is
September 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Why did we sign a TE?
September 19th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Em raider Herrera and Taylor are two lap dogs that are kiss al’s behind. They shown me what they are all about: give them the boot. If Lane stays they will be shown the door.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
To help pass block and run block and maybe catch a few balls?
How many tight ends are in that Arkansas wild pig formation thing, anyway?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
kiffie doesn’t want an extension…
he wants out of town…
i say drive him over to the busstop and give him his ticket…
fire the temp…
September 19th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
I like this ben troupe hire.. He was starter in TENN until they got Bo Scaife.. he will be an upgrade..
September 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
we had no depth at TE. Troupe has the tools. TONY stewartt is justa good special teams player. Madsen is not a TE. I would like to see formation with Troupe, Miller and Madsen. We are a run team and that would allow us to run the ball and still put some pressure on the secodary: Jeff Fisher has always like to use these sort of packages with his run heavy teams.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
So are we cutting one of our TEs? Or are we keeping 4? In which case, don’t we still have to cut somebody else?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
“Thanks Dogg. My wife is from Switzerland, ya know.”
Well I guess that makes you 2 for 2!
have a good night y’all.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
I would also like to see more Chaz Schillens. I have a feeling he will be a starte by the end of the year. I think Watkins might be gone. I know he had a good camp and all, but it is either Watkins or Madsen, and Madsen is a little more versatile and proven.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I almost forgot, does anyone know who will be cut to make room for Troupe?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Em someone has to go. I nominate sam williams, but I know we have like 4TE’s 6 wr and 11 o line man. the cut is coming from one of those positions: most likely either Madsen or Watkins.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I like Troupe. He will be an upgrade, and is only 26.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Dick V.. I agree..
I think, fred Wakefield will be cut, yeas he is a jack of all trades, but nothing more..
September 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
I’m excited to see we got a new TE, but am I the only one wondering when the fark we are gonna get another DT? Week 3, still just the 3 of em, come on John Herrera, whisper the names Ed Johnson and Dre Moore into Al’s hairy ears.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Dick V..
come on man, you know RR doesn’t dare to let Sam Williams go, he is Al Davis’ pet project, so I don’t see it.. if it happens its a sign of Al listening to the media, the critics and less to his usual yes-sayers..
September 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Maybe Dre Moore. It seems like Al is not taking flyers on druggies these days. I think Darrell Russell made him think differently about the issue: as well as Marijuanavich.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
LMN I agree sam is here for the time being. Al loves his draft picks and does not like giving up them. I think Wakefield is safe for now because of his versatility. Like I said, i just can’t see us retaining 6 wr’s since we are a run team.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Al loves the drunks though!
September 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Dick V..
true.. I then think Javon Walker goes on IR =)
September 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
LMN
Kiffen has been saying his passing game is gonna improve once Javon is healthy. Kiff really wants him in there. I believe he’s a big part of why we’re struggling in the pass. JMHO!
September 19th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I think Jerry and the beats are missing a big story line here. Since Kiffin made a big stink about shoring up the back end of the roster, Al has deleivered James Marten, Ben Troupe, and Ashley Lelie.. Those were big reas of concern for the Raiders. I think we are in need of a d line man.
Al is deleivering what Lane wanted and it has been at the expense of Ryan’s defense. Lane says he needs an more talent on the back end and Al has delivered with three players that have improved Lane’s roster. I am convinced that Lane will have an oppertunity to finish out the season: Al is still giving the young coach what he needs. The season is still young and I am seeing some upside.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Dick V
Winning cures everything.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Javon is still recovering from his surgery, but he is getting too much to go on IR. That would be an even bigger embarrassment to Al and he will not allow that.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Ken..
yeah, but if he never ever gonna get ready then let him get a year long breather.. then it would free a bunch of doe that we then could use on all the good left over players.. ehh..hmm
September 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Dick V..
IR players salary doesn’t count against the cap..
September 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
winning does cure everything and Al beleives that which is why he won’t make a moveon lane until he is sure that the Raiders will not win under that kid.
September 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Javon on IR would tell me that we have given up on the season. We just don’t have a good #1 and then for that case a #2. Walker has to find his way onto the field. This is for the Sake of Russell’s growth. Do you really think JR likes seeing recievers that can’t get open and when they do drop passes?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
but big money free agents that go IR week 3 are embarrassing especially when the analysts and critics were saying it was abadmove from the outset. He will be around for the rest of the year: remeber Ronald Curry was in a similar boat in 06 and he really started to produce the last 5-6 games of the season: worst case this what we will see from Javon. it takes time to come back from a ligament tear.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I agree Ken. The Raiders just ahve to ride it out for the first half of the year and rey on the defense and run game and the special teams. The passing game will come around eventually with Russell, and lane’s play calling.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Lelie is way better than Javon will ever be.. even if he just been here some 45 minutes..
September 19th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
My thought is Kiffen knows that his future coaching career depends on the progress Russell makes. He has to have Javon in there. It makes Kiffen look bad to prospective bosses if he can’t produce a passing game.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Dick V..
maybe embarrassing, but if Javon never plays a snap the rest of the year, and we didn’t put him on IR, then we would look even more stup1d, wont you think?
September 19th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
RaiderKen..
btw.. its Kiffin..
September 19th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
LMN
That may be true, but a Javon/Lelie combo with Curry as the #3 will help win games as well as help Russell gain confidence. If everything falls into place we could have a great passing game by week 6-7.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
LMN got it Kiffin maybe I’ll just stick to the kid or lane.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
RaiderKen..
251.. very true..
252.. LoL =)
September 19th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
if I was a a cheaky broncoe fan and we had Lelie and Javon, zone blocking and what not.. to much ammo =)
September 19th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
This is my prediction in this matter. Javon plays this Sunday, he catches about 4-5 balls at most by the half, then third QTR roles in and on the first offensive series, SNAP! goes his hammy… out for the season. The Lelie, Higgins, Schillins, Watkins, Curry era begins.
Raiders 20 Bills 17
September 19th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Well it’s been fun actually talking football on this blog for a change. Gotta go!
September 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
no i don’t that is just trying to hope for the best. He is getting some 12 million this year. He is the best wr the Raiders have. He has produced when healthy. He is down right now, but he just has to battle through it. I am sure Al told him this when he was talking about quitting: quit now and this will define youu, battle through it and you will be back again. Javon will get the same oppertunity that Ronald Curry got. Hopefully he remebers this next March when his roster bonus is due. Javon still is Jamarcu’s best reciever with Zach Miller being right on his tail. With Zach drawing all the attention, Javon needs to step up soon so the passing game can start to open up.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
yeah but still “when healthy” is the key-word here, and I think we all can agree upon he isn’t.. so then goes that theory =)
September 19th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
wll, okay i tone down my negativity, I simply just don’t like the guy, never had high thoughts about him.. no matter how good a season he gives us, he wil always end up as an disappointment, and we all knew it before we hired him :/
September 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Is Javon Walker and Jerry Porter the same person?
JERRY PORTER “NOT LIKELY” TO PLAY
Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2008, 3:20 p.m.
Though he is listed as “questionable” for Sunday’s game at Indianapolis, Jaguars receiver Jerry Porter is “not likely” to play, according to coach Jack Del Rio.
Porter has yet to play since undergoing surgery on his hamstring during training camp.
On the surface, it appears that Porter shouldn’t be listed as “questionable.” The problem, however, is that the next level down is “doubtful,” which connotes a 25-percent chance of playing. If Porter falls somewhere between 25-percent and 50-percent, it’s unclear which label is the more correct label to use.
The good news for Jaguars fans (and fantasy owners whose teams include the Jags’ top two tailbacks) is that Fred Taylor (toe) and Maurice Jones-Drew (ankle) are both probable, which means that there is a virtual certainty that both players will be available for normal duty.
The 0-2 Jaguars play at Indianapolis on Sunday.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
hmm, back to work, those asians just don’t understand to let our ships be.. dammit I fear this one gonna be a long one again..
September 19th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Personally, I think the Lelie-Walker combo is a very interesting one. I really would like to see them all get into synch and see what they can do. But in order for that to happen, they all have to be playing together. Right now, the Lelie-Curry combo is not promising anything. Yet, Lelie has proven to be making some impact. Curry has had some good catches and a TD, unfortunately his drops, and how and when they happened, outweights the good he has done.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
PFT.com
RAIDERS FANS WANT TO “KEEP KIFFIN”
Posted by Mike Florio on September 19, 2008, 9:10 a.m.
We’d like to say that we’ve decided to throw some traffic at a new web site aimed at giving Raiders fans a platform for voicing their support for coach Lane Kiffin because of honorable motivations.
Frankly, we’re doing it in order to be left alone.
We’ve been peppered with e-mails over the past 18 hours or so regarding the creation of the “Keep Kiffin” site, and we suspect that it will only get worse until we post the link to the site and invite any Raiders fans who want to keep Lane Kiffin to voice their support for him.
Beyond our own selfish interests to have less e-mail messages through which to wade, we support this move not because we think Kiffin should stay (we have no opinion at this point), bur because the franchise will be handcuffed until the situation is resolved.
As we see it, owner Al Davis either needs to fire Kiffin or to state publicly that he won’t be fired. The dark cloud of uncertainty isn’t good for anyone, and the longer it lingers the more likely it will be that Raiders fans find something else to do with their shrinking discretionary income, and their scant free time.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Curry should ask Zach Miller how he catches the ball.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
What I don’t understand is why the team practices in the afternoons in a week leading up to a morning game.
The Raiders are notorious for starting slow in morning games, including last week against the Chiefs. It seems to me that the players bodies and minds are accustomed to performing later in the day.
Is there no coach on the West Coast smart enough to think about this? Why not at least give it a shot?
September 19th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
LOL..
just let me say this before I go.. how many of you guys have been bashing Lelie and Javon prior March 2008??
just have that in mind..
September 19th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
LMN — You know I disagree with you on Javon. I really think he’s got a lot left, and he’s wanting to prove it. There is still time left for him to win us over, but not much.
If Walker plays healthy, JaMarcus gets better in a hurry. Like it or not, Javon brings veteran presence, and great ability, with him to the huddle. His problem is making it BACK to the huddle.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
After watching our current receiving core. Walker would HAVE to be an upgrade.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
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September 19th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Raider_Gordo – I guess one answer to that is that its morning on the West Coast but if they’re playing in Buffalo, its 1pm so it may seem worse than it really is. If they play at 1pm Pacific, they’re playing at 4pm on the East Coast.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
I have my doubts about both players, but they are both upgrades to the wr core.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
my patience has run out on Curry. Ifhe can’t catch the ball he needs to go. Cut him and give reps to the young guys. He needs to step up very quickly.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I agree. I cannot understand how you can continue to play Curry when Schilens is catching the ball on a consistent basis. Might as well throw the young guy out there and see what he can do. Hes got speed and makes the spectacular catch. Maybe he can develop a chemistry with JR and become a franchise WR to go along with our franchise group of young players. We hardly every pass anyways.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Peter King the queen gave us no chance sunday.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
it’s kiffie…
K I F F I E…
he also answers to “dipschit”…
and “temp”…
September 19th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Right now on the YAHOO home page theres a story on al davis “power move” that has destroyed the team…not on the sports page,..the home page.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Al davis was the man now he’s just harshing my buzz..
September 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
i’m in florida… so i can’t do it…
could someone do me a favor and go over to kiffie’s house and give him a ride to the busstop ???
thanks…
September 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
going to bed…
take care everyone…
September 19th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Peter king is a journalist. He has some nice takes here and ther, but he is not an analysts that can break down matchups. The Raiders have alotof talent and are not overmatched by the young Bills. It makes for a great story for the Bills to win, a tean that has built a team the right way, but Peter King can’t tell me they are going to line up and just dominate the Raiders. Schobel is a good rush end, but how will he hold up when the Raiders just line up and run at him. They play hard and are well coached, but they are not loaded with talent. TRent Edwards was talking how QB’s have to take their shots down field and all that, but for the most part they have not let him air it out yet. He should pipe down until he has started one full season at least. I hope he challenges D hall and Namdi. He will look foolish.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
A source close to Lane Kiffin told Yahoo Sports’ Jason Cole that Kiffin wants out of Oakland just as much, if not more, than Al Davis wants to fire him.
“That’s the funny part about people asking if he’s worried about getting fired,” the source said. “He’s worried that he might be stuck there the whole season.” Cole predicts that Kiffin will get canned in the next few weeks. Sep. 19 – 8:37 pm et
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Like I said before…this circus must stop and Kiffin has to go…this can’t be fixed even with wins.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Look out Faiders, “Al Bundy Davis” just might start docking your paychecks, if you win again !! Just when “Bundy” was about to fire K. you won !! Wonder what “Bundy” told Lipton ??
Don’t buy anything that is being advertised on the Faider Network, until “Al Bundy Davis” sells the Faiders, wtf he owes it to the fans !!
Just sell baby……….and so it is!!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Lane Says by Lane’s Addiction
Lane says
‘Why won’t Al let me go?
He treats me like a ragdoll’
Screams at the television
Says ‘I don’t owe him nothing,
But if he wants to fire me
Tell him to write a check to me
Or I’ll be here tomorrow
I’ll be the coach tomorrow
Gonna coach tomorrow’
Lane says
‘Have you seen Rob’s wig around?
He feels naked without it’
He knows
They all want him to go
But that’s OK man
Gruden said, ‘I told you so’
Lane says
‘I’m goin’ to Syracuse
What the hell I got to lose?
I can leave right from Buffalo
Shuffle off from Buffalo
Gonna learn to love snow”
He gets mad
The flags start to fly
Al paid big bucks but
They can’t hit
Russell’s got an arm
He just don’t know
Where the hell to throw it
Lane goes
To the bar at one
He walks up there on Lakeshore
He sees
Tommy Kelly’s car there
He pulls Al’s letter
From his pocket
Lane says
‘I’ve never had to quit
I do not get this biz’
He only knows he isn’t wanted
‘I’m only leaving if they fire me
I only hope they’ll fire me’
He gets mad
And he starts to cry
He takes a swig and
He won’t quit!
He hates false alarms
He just don’t know
What else to do about it
Lane says
Lane says …
September 19th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Only in Los Vegas, are they betting on the firing of K.
What day, hour and minute…………..
Just Sell Baby……….and so it is !!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
What about Las Angeles or Son Francisco?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Lane says! Nice I love that song
Dakota Al needs to go not Lane!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
excellent post #195
by D.V
I have no problem with Kiffin..Al needs to get over himself already !
the TRuth is Kiffin knows more about winning today than AL does.
Walker and throwong that money around to Kelly and HAll were desperate attempt at POWER.
I always backed AL but this is the last straw
September 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
HD#37..
I just cant wait for him to prove me wrong, if you know what I mean =)
September 19th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
The problem is Lane doesn’t want to stay. He wants out just as bad as Al wants him gone. No one seems to realize this.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
408…I know Al must go, he botched this situation just like he botched Gruden, but the fact of the matter is Al is going nowhere, and when the coach doesn’t want to be here and the owner doesn’t want him here, well, that has to be remedied or things will only get worse.
Kiffin has to go and we need to put this situation behind us for the good of this team.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Someone needs to take Davis to the pound, put him down. God bless America.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Dakota, who the Hell is going to coach this crazy mans team after Kiffin is canned?
September 19th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Please stop being sheep and signing that dumb a$$ petition! I do not want to be here and I haven’t since trying to get the Arkansas job last year, mid season. I am no better than Bobby Petrino for Christ’s Sake! Damn the Raider Nation is dumb. Dumb as a box of rocks. No wonder Al doesn’t care about you all, just a bunch of mindless sheep.
baaaaaaaaa
September 19th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Who knows Jim, who knows?
We are doomed…the Kiffin situation is poisonous and Al Davis is incompetent….doooooooomed.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
I dont believe Lane wants out. Thats media speculation.
ALL speculation. too much coverage of a negative thing associated with the Raiders.
Yeah and Cable and Napp want out too..they just coach for the hell of it and to make AL look bad..
gimmie a break
September 19th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Whoever it is, Lofton, Fassel,..Ryan…it does not matter, because 2 years from tonight we will be having this same discussion,…”fire Lofton/Ryan/Fassel,…”
September 19th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Big E,..you are in denial,..you dont want to believe whats going on out there,..Lane desperatly wants out,…asap…now,..before kickoff sunday….Big E, you just dont want to take the truth yet.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Big E,
Who doesn’t want out of Oakland? The only people that like it in Oakland are Davis, Trask, Taylor, Hererra and the marginal players with huge contracts…everyone else wants out. Who in there right mind wouldn’t want out from under this mess? Once Davis made it clear to Kiffin that he would have zero say and was going to be treated like shiiet, Kiffin decided he wanted out but Al needed to pay him to get out…
…our HC has one foot out of the door. You can’t tell me that that does not have an adverse affect on his work and the player’s view of him. Come on, it is only human nature…
September 19th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Most likely during the bye Lofton will take over,..Davis will say to us all that Lofton has been the guy hes wanted for coach for years,…it will be all good,…within a month Lofton will be slapped with the reality that hes taken the worst job in the world.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Isn’t jason cole the same cat that said Hip Hop is responsible for the moral decay of today’s young black atheletes? He has been taking shots at Oakland all summer. Who knows whats true? I know that Cincinatti is just as bad if not worse and so are the Rams, but The Raiders are different because….
How many games did Rich Gannon win the “right way” in KC. The Raiders just killed KC in front of Gannon, but KC and Carl Peterson have it figured out?
I wish those former Raiders would back their comments up with a name: at least Warren Sapp has a sack and says what he feels.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Lofton
how do you know so much and be so certain. You got a bet working or something.
this whole quitting and being fires is a difference of what a million and half..pleaze AL threw away money down the toilet with Walker and KELLY. YOU in denial abou that.
Id loose respect for everyone involved if AL cant fire him and KIffin cant just quit. isnt that pathetic!
September 19th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Ok Dakota you can read about Taylor these days on PFT,..but I have known that prick since `92,…hes an untrustworthy, dishonest a-hole,..period….his job title is PR guy,..but hes turned into Als sidekcik,..drives him around,…Taylor thinks hes important now,…Taylor hates Kiffin servely…Herrera is an ex-con…within a few years they will be gone and Trask with run this team,..her and her backers will control the team,..you just watch….and Trask is real close and trusted by Mark Davis also.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I guess I am in Denial then.
I agree that Davis will say he wanted Lofton from the begining. IN two years will de-javu.
Can we agree that RYAN would make a horrible coach.he just a cheerleader ra-ra bafoon.
He has a last name thats it.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I said it in January and February…once the cat was out of the bag with Resignation Letter Gate the only thing that could save the situation would have been a kumbaya press conference declaring Kiffin the unquestioned HC…that never happened and the situation and the season was lost AT THAT MOMENT. Football is a team game and the players have to completely buy in or else the ship sinks.
Some of the players are not dumb and they see what is happening, and then they explain the situation to the dumb players using small words and then everyone knows the coach wants out and the coach wanted the DC out and that everything is a mess and suddenly you get a 41-14 opening game, at home on MNF. GAME OVER.
I don’t blame Kiffin, I blame Al for making the HC position so tedious in Oakland that no one (of quality) would want this job.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Big E,..go to Yahoo sports,..read todays piece on the Raider situation,…Mike Silver may be a Raider hater from way back,..but his story is the truth,..I dont like Silver either, but his story is solid and he has contacts in Alameda.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I believe Lofton takes over during bye…the writings on the wall….its clear.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Al is seceretive and plays everything close to the vest. Aall the variables just become speculation with the types like Cole. I have respect for Schefter, but Cole seems to havea flair for the dramatic. He can hype it up all he wants, but there are alot of teams that are in the same shape who have people in charge that have never won anything
September 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I have to say Dakota has been consistent and had a good feel on this from the begining and it bothered me at first because I felt like an AL apologist.
its a damn shame.
LOFTON
you scare me with your scenarios because I can see that happening.
Raider nation is die- hard but the “building/MNGMT” is the EVIL EMPIRE
September 19th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I believe the only hope is that Trask finds a way for Mark to take over as the man in charge,…Mark finds best gm available,…lets gm run everything…Trask would go along for sure….Herrera and Taylor would be shown the door…hopefully the entire scouting dept too, they suck.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The awful truth is Al Davis is no longer of sound mind,….and Iwas the biggest Davis guy for 30 years,..I have an official nfl football that my old contact there had Davis sign, and I have a pic of him signing it,..back in `97,…the crappy Bugel year,..so its not like Im a Davis hater,..I want the man to simply stay home.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I did read M.SILVER this morning. I read all the links everyday.
I actaully enjoyed it and agreed with it. I know his history and the way he was yelled at a Raider practice by Davis.
WHATs next agreeing with Ralph Barbieri that Al doent care about the fans.
Pig just flew by my window..The world is going to end soon
September 19th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Hey, our scouts might be just fine, but instead of letting them do their job it has been widely reported that Al sends them out to gather only certain specific information that he then uses to evaluate players for the draft…
Hell, we might have the best scouts in the world, but the Al Davis filter tends to hurt their work, lol.
Sad.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
I cant believe bspn is making such a huge deal with ryder cup,..who f`n cares.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
ESPN should have a separate channel that only covers golf, auto racing, WNBA, cycling, bowling, all women’s college sports, and maybe even hockey, and leave the real sports to the regular ESPN channel.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
F the scouts,….have Mark take over with Trask,…get rid of all the losers who were the butt kissers and that was why they kept their jobs,…have the gm clean house and start fresh,…and I say have Mark take over with Trask because Trask is right on,…I see in here she gets alot of crap from fans who are clueless,…shes awesome…and is working hard behind the scenes for a new stadium in the bay area,..Pleasanton actually,…but shes a die hard fan and is doing all she can dealing with what she has to deal with,…in my opinion if she ever left the Raiders would suffer,…terribly.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
It is Friday night, I am out of here.
Night all.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Ya but they are making too big a deal about ryder cup,…van pelt was just on almost crying over that stupid crap.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Plus Amy Trask is married to a guy from South Dakota…she clearly has taste.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I may have missed it but who did we cut to get TE Troupe?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Im out also,…later Nation.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Come on Raider Nation I need so Information? Is every on asleep?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Ice go back and read the last thirty or so posts- Lofton and DAkota had some interesting things to share.
Dark Days in Oakland despite young talent. DAVIS is one SOB
September 19th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Im looking for burgess to have a big game against walker this sunday they better not leave him one on one with burgess or its gonna be a long day. Our recievers need to step up big time because if they tryand come in to stack the line against the run it will be important that we are able to throw the ball, if walker isnt 100% then he dont need to be on the field at all, he will be more of a liability than an decoy, why noe put in watkins he’ss been pretty solid in the preseason. we have to give these young recievers a chance of playing and developing. Its not like were playing against top corners on buffalo, I cant even name the guys on that team so lets roll with shilens watkins and curry, miller and company so we can get a rythem in the passing game
September 19th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
MODERATOR
whats your beef man ?
why did my post have to be moderated and taken off..I dont like you. I read crap in here all the time .
I didnt write anything bad..talk about power control..gee
September 19th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
hey did anyone sign the petition letter on that web site advising al davis not to fire Kiffin?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
lol
September 19th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Big E I went back and I did not see when they said who would be cut to make room for Troupe. If I missed please let me know?
September 19th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Remember Gruden made a tape of a standing DE that AL wanted to have in the defensive scheme. Al really like it. He loves football too much where its almost unhealthy.
Its not funny if our owner is not of soundmind or has alzhiemers or some other illness which could be the case.
SILVER had said in his article that AL would drop a rag and have an employee wipe his shoes..LOL
September 19th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
This moderator has issues. Dakota said AL is not of sound mind..I mention Alzheimer in a serious tone and my post is removed.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
My post mentioned interesting insight on Gruden’s experience with AL but my post was removed. Hopefully someone will find it on the net -if interested. Al wanted to sit in meetings with the defense etc.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Gruden’s experience with AL but my post was removed. Hopefully someone will find it on the net -if interested. Al wanted to sit in meetings with the defense etc.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Did anybody see who we will cut for TE Troupe? Big E I didn’t see anything as far as who we will cut. I don’t care about the GM I just want to know about the team and our players!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I hope the moderator is a program and not a person because that person sucks.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Troupe stats:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493093
September 19th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Ice
I couldnt help you with that? who would you want them to cut?
maybe a lb like Williams would make sense to me.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
ice to me the in-houde disaster and reality of Davis’s control and what the future holds is WAY more interesting that some late addition that got cut from some other team.
a te at that..wippy do dah…the raiders are a mess.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers and running back Darren McFadden of the Oakland Raiders are the FedEx Air & Ground NFL Players of the Week for games played on Sept. 14-15.
Good job D-Mac…..
September 19th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Big E…..We know th Front Office is all fed up….I have been saying that for a few weeks now…But imagine this beast on the opposite side of Miller, in to pass block and Miller opening up the middle. This guy also held records in Florida when he was there for TD Catches…..Not bad if you can get him for player minimum to act as a decoy or who knows, maybe show some of that flare that he did in Florida….
September 19th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
*f-ed
September 19th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
nite all
Raiders 23
Bills 20
Davis fires Kiffin has Lofton fill in and next year we loose Napp Cable and here we go again..the crazy world of AL DAVIS
September 19th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
by the way I apppreciate your optimism COLLECTIVE. I am just coming around to the mess and been in denial I guess.
Yeah addition is an addition for sure. But what you do in college means squat. We need lineman and wrs but will wait for the draft again.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Big E Willaims is the one I would cut they say he was good until he got hurt but when you get hurt by someone on your own team like he did in the begaining. It is not a good sign of what you will do in the future years. Even if you are hurt by Romo. Let this sissy go!
September 19th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
no offense to j-russ, but…
we’re gonna get a real good look at the QB we shoulda drafted last year. hindsight is 20/20 but i’d much rather have edwards throwing ball to clavin johnson. hey, but at least we have javon “what happens in vegas, stays in vegas” walker. talk about a stud.
once again, the brilliance of al davis knows no end….
lynch goes for a buck-sixty, edwards shows j-russ how to protect the football, rob ryan and co. realize very quickly they’re not in kansas city anymore…
bills-27
raiders-6
kiffin-fired
al-still senile
“rational” raider nation-fed up
September 19th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
For all you guys signing the Kiffin petition…
Barring an out-of-body experience by Davis, there will be a fifth coach very soon. It’s not that Kiffin is simply on the outs after refusing to step aside in January when Davis reportedly drew up a resignation letter for him. Kiffin, repeatedly taking verbal shots at the owner in the media, wants out faster than investors can dump their AIG stock.
“That’s the funny part about people asking if he’s worried about getting fired,” said a source close to Kiffin. “He’s worried that he might be stuck there the whole season.”
………………………………………….
The guy you guys are defending doesn’t even want to be here.
Jim Fassel will be the next coach of the Raiders.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
More…
That should be no surprise. Davis has often reportedly overruled coaches when they have tried to fine players or told coaches who needs to play. On the way to the Super Bowl in the 2002 season, the Raiders would regularly fly on a Friday before a Sunday game. According to multiple team sources, the reason was that a large number of players would get drunk on the plane ride to a road game.
“We needed Saturday to get sober so we could play on Sunday,” one former player said.
September 19th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Al Davis…
“If he had his way, we’d have taken Jordan Beck instead of Kirk Morrison, but we wouldn’t let him,” former Raiders personnel man Mike Lombardi said, recalling a draft-day debate he had with Davis in 2005 over which linebacker to select in the third round. “He wanted Beck, but we had coached Morrison at the Senior Bowl and the whole coaching staff believed that Morrison was the best player we had seen there. We all told him, no, Morrison is the guy.”
September 20th, 2008 at 12:07 am
This sucks man! Oh Lord, please lift the plague off of the Oakland Raiders.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:29 am
K-Rock Says:
September 19th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
For all you guys signing the Kiffin petition…
Barring an out-of-body experience by Davis, there will be a fifth coach very soon. It’s not that Kiffin is simply on the outs after refusing to step aside in January when Davis reportedly drew up a resignation letter for him. Kiffin, repeatedly taking verbal shots at the owner in the media, wants out faster than investors can dump their AIG stock.
“That’s the funny part about people asking if he’s worried about getting fired,” said a source close to Kiffin. “He’s worried that he might be stuck there the whole season.”
………………………………………….
The guy you guys are defending doesn’t even want to be here.
Jim Fassel will be the next coach of the Raiders.
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Nnamdi21 says:
Really?
Who’s your source?
This guy?
http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/395.html
Victor Cotto, S&B report from raiderfans.
More shameless rumor mongering.
The only way to shut people up is to win.
“…said a source close to Kiffin.”
Again, with the anonymous BS “sources”.
Pttt.
Give it a rest.
Lets kick ass Raiders.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Yahoo sports article.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Kiffin saga just part of five-year abyss
By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
The height of Rich Gannon’s NFL career was with the Oakland Raiders. As league MVP, he led the team to Super Bowl XXXVII during the 2002 season. He played alongside stars Jerry Rice and Tim Brown for one of the most storied franchises in sports history.
Yet, for all the glory Gannon enjoyed, he can tell everyone what a struggle it was to play for the organization.
“It’s like I’ve said many times, every day was a fight inside that building to do what we did,” said Gannon, now a TV commentator. “We had to overcome adversity in the building and then get on a plane to go try to beat Denver.
“When I played in Kansas City, all I had to do was walk in the door. I didn’t have to worry about guys showing up late for practice or meetings, guys being out drinking until 3 a.m. or missing curfew the night before games. In Kansas City, that stuff didn’t happen. In Oakland, it was an everyday occurrence.”
Photo Gannon, with Davis, in 2004 – his last season with the Raiders.
(Getty/Jamie Squire)
Considering that, it should be no surprise that in the five years since Gannon and Oakland were at the top of their game, the franchise has fallen into a deep abyss. Since the end of 2002, which culminated in a lopsided loss to Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl, the Raiders have lost at an unprecedented rate.
The net result is that the Raiders have suffered five consecutive seasons with at least 11 losses, going 20-62 in the past five-plus seasons in a league that is designed around the principal of parity.
Part of the problem has been that on-the-field leaders such as Gannon, Rice, Brown, Trace Armstrong, John Parrella, Lincoln Kennedy and Bill Romanowski have been replaced by … well, they haven’t been replaced.
“What you have left is all these guys (owner) Al (Davis) loves; these disaffected, talented guys who are only marginally productive and weren’t really even all that productive in college,” one unnamed former Raiders employee said. “They don’t care about winning, but (those are) the guys who are supposedly the leaders.”
While the team has lacked consistent production from players on the field, the franchise has been the epitome of instability on the sidelines. Current head coach Lane Kiffin is the fourth since Gruden was essentially traded to Tampa Bay after the 2001 season.
Barring an out-of-body experience by Davis, there will be a fifth coach very soon. It’s not that Kiffin is simply on the outs after refusing to step aside in January when Davis reportedly drew up a resignation letter for him. Kiffin, repeatedly taking verbal shots at the owner in the media, wants out faster than investors can dump their AIG stock.
“That’s the funny part about people asking if he’s worried about getting fired,” said a source close to Kiffin. “He’s worried that he might be stuck there the whole season.”
So sometime in the next few days or weeks, Kiffin will be fired. While such a move addresses the short-term issue of an owner getting rid of a coach he doesn’t want, it doesn’t solve the bigger problem: The Raiders are an institutional mess.
“They say there are 32 organizations in the NFL, but really it’s only 31,” one former Raiders player said. “The Raiders aren’t an organized team.”
Or as former Cowboys and Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson, now a FOX analyst, said last weekend: “I don’t know that there’s a lot of people who would want to work there. It’s a mess and it’s been a mess for quite some time, I just don’t know how anybody functions in that type of atmosphere. They do have some good young players and they showed that (against the Broncos). I think eventually this team will be one to be dealt with but as far as being a coach there, being an assistant coach, being someone in administration, it really is a mess.”
If there is a center to the dysfunction, it’s Davis. The former coach-turned-executive is a Hall of Famer and has long been considered a brilliant football strategist and football businessman. The problem is that at a time when the NFL has become increasingly sophisticated, Davis is too old school and hands on.
“You want to know how far behind the times he is? He still signs everybody’s expense forms,” another unnamed former employee said. “Not a dollar gets spent in that place that he doesn’t have a say about.”
While that may have been a functional way to do business in the NFL 20 years ago, it’s unfathomable at a time when a majority of the NFL’s teams are worth more than a $1 billion.
Davis’ control goes well beyond monitoring if someone has gone over per diem. Davis makes nearly all the personnel decisions and has systematically eliminated people who used to disagree with him.
“If he had his way, we’d have taken Jordan Beck instead of Kirk Morrison, but we wouldn’t let him,” former Raiders personnel man Mike Lombardi said, recalling a draft-day debate he had with Davis in 2005 over which linebacker to select in the third round. “He wanted Beck, but we had coached Morrison at the Senior Bowl and the whole coaching staff believed that Morrison was the best player we had seen there. We all told him, no, Morrison is the guy.”
Photo Morrison makes a play during the Senior Bowl.
(AP/G.M. Andrews)
Beck was waived by Atlanta after 2006, played part of 2007 with Denver and is now out of football after being waived by the Broncos in August.
Morrison has been a starter since he was a rookie.
While second-guessing Davis on one draft pick is being picky to say the least, what has happened since is indicative of Davis’ desire to control and his lack of understanding what works in the modern NFL.
“Everything is about, ‘Remember when …’ ” said Lombardi, making an open-ended remark about how Davis is trying to conjure past greatness.
For instance, before the 2007 draft, Davis told ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that quarterback JaMarcus Russell reminded him of Jim Plunkett, another chunky-bodied quarterback who won two titles with the Raiders in the 1980s. Plunkett was a No. 1 overall, although long before Oakland picked him up as a reclamation project.
Likewise, Davis’ fascination with defensive backs (the Raiders have used a first-round pick on either a cornerback or safety in five of the past eight years and this offseason signed safety Gibril Wilson as a free agent and traded for DeAngelo Hall) harkens to the days when the Raiders won titles with Mike Haynes, Lester Hayes, Jack Tatum and George Atkinson.
Perhaps even more significant, Davis allows players great latitude. Former Raiders lineman Adam Treu recently wrote a column on nationalfootballpost.com about the blatant uniform violation by the Oakland defensive backs in the season opener. Treu derided it as an affront to league rules and sign that the players had no respect for authority.
That should be no surprise. Davis has often reportedly overruled coaches when they have tried to fine players or told coaches who needs to play. On the way to the Super Bowl in the 2002 season, the Raiders would regularly fly on a Friday before a Sunday game. According to multiple team sources, the reason was that a large number of players would get drunk on the plane ride to a road game.
“We needed Saturday to get sober so we could play on Sunday,” one former player said.
How does the problem get fixed?
“The first step to rebuilding the team is to tell the owner not to walk in the door ever again. The next is to get rid of the front office and then all the personnel people … There’s no structure in place. That’s why nothing is going to change,” said another former Raiders player.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:49 am
My computer crashed today. God says you’re welcome, Oakglenn. But back to our little conversation earlier. Did you ever explain what you meant when you said that you’d rather have Parcells or Polian running the Raiders than Al Davis? Because gee, Oakglenn, that’s exactly what your sworn adversaries in here have been saying all along. You know, the ones you’ve been destined to discredit since they’ve gotten here. Now, looking down the barrel of 1-2 and another coaching change, you’re starting to express your true wishes for Al being replaced? If so, shouldn’t you be done holding Kiffin accountable, then? If you want Al replaced with Parcells or Polian, it has to be for a reason. Any chance that reason is the same reason Lane never could get his first foot forward in this hell hole? Do bother responding, Oakglenn.
September 20th, 2008 at 1:00 am
A.I. (”Jim Lofton”), great article by Silver at Yahoo.com. Thanks for the heads up. Probably the best punch up I’ve seen on this situation. I tried posting it in whole but the mods aren’t having in. Here’s the url, in case anyone hasn’t read it yet.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-thegameface091908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
September 20th, 2008 at 1:04 am
K Rock, your yahoo link is interesting, too. They don’t let me post long s’t anymore. Wonder why. Did I ever offend anyone?
September 20th, 2008 at 4:31 am
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/19/denny-green-is-not-walking-in-that-door-al-davis-oh-wait-w/
Stews: “It’s obvious that some time during the course of the year, Lane Kiffin is probalby going to be dismissed from his job. If that happens and your phone rings and the caller ID says ‘Al Davis,’ do you answer that phone call, Coach?”
Green: “No I do not.”
September 20th, 2008 at 4:37 am
post 345 – that’s why we need a real GM! Can’t trust Al’s judgement on talent.
September 20th, 2008 at 6:16 am
“That is the worst I’ve ever played; that is probably going to be the worst game I ever play.” The 24-year-old Cromartie played Sunday with a tender hip, without the benefit of practice and with his mind elsewhere. The results were a day on which he was flagged four times, including once for unnecessary roughness and once for a face mask, both of which contributed mightily to Broncos touchdown drives in the second quarter. And, according to STATS, Inc., Cromartie was burned 10 of the 11 times he was targeted on Sunday, which contributed mightily to the Broncos’ 350 receiving yards. –”
September 20th, 2008 at 6:38 am
AL thinks we are stupid, but his plan is obvious. He is looking at the schedule and sees that we play at Buffalo and then we have San Diego. He probably is assuming that we will start 1-3 and then he’ll fire Lane during the bye week and use the record as an excuse. I wish this guy would go to the old folks home and drift off into the heavens. We got ANOTHER good young Coach that will be kicking our asses with another team someday because Al is a moron. I support you Lane and so does the majority of the Raider Nation. I have had it with this idiot and his bad decisions. He is ruining OUR franchise!
September 20th, 2008 at 6:40 am
SOMEONE NEEDS TO START A WEBSITE http://WWW.FIREALDAVIS.COM
September 20th, 2008 at 7:29 am
From, Adam Schefter |
Continually looking to improve JaMarcus Russell’s targets, the Raiders signed tight end Ben Troupe on Friday. A former Florida standout, Troupe failed to make his mark in Tennessee or in Tampa Bay this past summer. Oakland has been looking for help at tight end and it has seen enough of Troupe to think he could provide it.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:37 am
If I were Kiff I would bench Dmac,4 the whole season if need be,to make sure this most gifted athlete has the carrer he most definetly deserves.Turf-Toe,I guess,is a weird kind of injury,one that can take from no time 2 all time 2 heal.If Kiff benches Dmac it looks as if he is looking out 4 the long term of our beloved TEAM and Dmac.How could AD fire him then???
September 20th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Hoping for a win. Am I confident? To be honest – nope! Are the Bills overrated? To be honest – yep! But they still are good.
Honestly, if we win and the offense shows up strong; Al must reconsider everything and give Kiffin what he wants. Fire Herrera and Taylor for leading him astray and let Kiffin have input on the defense and more input on personnel if he doesn’t have much already.
The Bills are fully healthy and we are not. Walker has yet to suit up, Fargas is down and DMC is bruised. If Walker can somehow perform at full speed this game I think he and Lelie starts. That will be an interesting combo for JR. Kiffin should strike deep first to loosen the defense up (midrange at least).
Flying cross-country for a 1pm game is brutal. If these boys are focused and end up putting it on the Bills then Kiffin is the f’n man!
Of course, this game will depend on what is suppose to be the strength of this team: DEFENSE! Stop or serverly slow Buffalo’s attack and we have a shot.
If you ask me Marshawn Lynch is an overrated NFL back.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:50 am
who ever started the web site keep kiffin has there head up there azz , first of all he should of never been hired in the first place, second they should just fire him right now , he is a bad cancer for this team,and believe me i know, just wait and see later today when you see who he released, what a joke , any way the raiders will get blown out by the bills with him coaching, but all you kiffin azz kissers better be watchting because thank god this will be his last game he coaches, and yes i have the info. just cant say it. sorry. i would love to.
September 20th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Thanks for the petition link. Everyone should sign this thing. Did you Jerry?
September 20th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Morning NATION
The bills are going down! I took the 9.5 and the over! Yeah! $$$$$$$$$$$$
4eva no concerts this weekend just some classic car show..
I hate when summer
is over.. anyway me and the princess are gonna try to make the best of it!
September 20th, 2008 at 7:56 am
when people started to predict how our season would go.. I was continuously the one who said Bills, Texans and Bucs games would be much more difficult than you should expect..
I’m afraid we will get a whooping tomorrow night..
September 20th, 2008 at 7:57 am
“I took the 9.5 and the over! Yeah!”
what does that mean?
September 20th, 2008 at 7:58 am
post 361: S A D
September 20th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Lynch is the real deal.. I hope the defense has another game like last week!
September 20th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Was a fan…
No hint on who the next coach will be?
How about the position of the player cut?
September 20th, 2008 at 8:03 am
LMN
I bet the raiders would win with the 9.5 points that bills are favored dy and the game would have a total of more then 36.5 points… $50 on each bet
September 20th, 2008 at 8:03 am
This team has really improved if you think back to ‘06 or prior years. Now we look to be a mid-range team that came from the bottom of the gutter. Kiffin has done a great job. Through 2 games the offense is ranked 13th in the league and the defense is ranked 18th; and we are 1-1 – just what a mid-range team by definition should be (i.e. a .500 team).
Maybe Walker & Lelie w/ Jam getting more experience puts us above this mid-range category before long.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Terrapin, You are right on. The team is making the right kind of progress. They are building intelligently. Sure beats 2006 when teams didn’t even have to game plan against us. Why can’t Davis just allow Kiffin to at least get the program back to .500 before bringing in his typical retread du jour.
Hopefully, Kiffin can stay and teach long enough so that the players can coach themselves once Davis fires Kiffin
September 20th, 2008 at 8:07 am
WHEN DOES THE NBA SEASON START? I need to watch the way a real franchise is run….
goooooooo LAKERS!
September 20th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Was a Fan..
if Lane is a cancer, Al is Aids.. when a very sick body, gets the cure, the body starts by rejecting the cure.. Lane is that cure, some might reject him, but we all know he will last to laugh.
If Fired, he will become OC or something like that.. and most likely for the broncos.. and then the patient is stuck on life support..
September 20th, 2008 at 8:09 am
408..
ahh now that makes sense.. I thought it was some train or transportation you took =)
September 20th, 2008 at 8:12 am
By the time we face the Chargers they could be looking mighty desperate if they lose to NYJ. There defense is hurting and hurting bad. The Raiders have a good chance of beating them; but chances are Ryan will get outcoached by Norv and Kiffin will have to bring it with the offense – in particular, the running game will need to keep Norv’s O off the field. I expect that to be a more grind it out kinda game to further wear that defense down and keep SD’s O off the field.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:14 am
NBA sucks! well the playoffs (or what ever they call it) & finals are cool but the rest is garbage unless you got to the game then it kinda rocks! IMO
September 20th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Terp, you really think Kiffin will be around for the SD game? I don’t…mainly because the Raiders sent this to be posted in local papers on Monday:
Post Date: 09/22/08
Job Title: Head Coach Oakland Raiders
Salary: $1,000,000.00 to 2,500,000.00
Location: Alameda, California
Requirements: 5+ years experience in kowtowing, or a Master’s Degree in sycophancy.
Responsibilities: Provide lineup changes and time out management 17 weekends a year. Opinions are not welcome and all staff shall be provided without your input.
Contact: John Hererra
About the Company: We are a dying, non-traditional NFL team, looking for weak-minded coaches to join our team. We offer an unstable work environment for a competent, creative coach with good communication skills. Our long-term goals vary at the whim of our managing general partner.
Website Address: http://www.raiders.com
September 20th, 2008 at 8:16 am
408,
Aren’t you a Jazz fan or something?
September 20th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Even McAfee Inc. has dropped the Raiders…lol.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:19 am
But I hear DEPENDS is trying to get the naming rights to the stadium…but the face stiff competition from Ensure.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:20 am
they…
September 20th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Dakota I really don’t care for b-ball but I root for the Warriors.. Now you know why I don’t get hyped for NBA
Later NATION BE back after the car show….
September 20th, 2008 at 8:28 am
In the summer in the city Hey 408
September 20th, 2008 at 8:36 am
MR Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 12:49 am
“My computer crashed today.”
That’s a complete lie. We all know that you were holed up in your basement watching your Entourage DVD collection. Maybe, just maybe, someday you too can be part of the Hollywood “scene” MR.
LMFAO!
September 20th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Warriors!
Although Dakota is the only persaon that has ever gotten me to root for the Lakers in the playoffs. I think he is some sort of sports svengali.
Speaking of which, Dakota do the Lakers have any spare point guards lying around that they can spare? I still have no idea what happened to Monta Ellis, I just know it wasn’t a basketball injury.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:41 am
You can have Sun Yue for Turiaf straight up Dogg.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Anyone besides me thinking that Kiffin is putting up a smoke screen and he unleashes JaMarcus Russell’s passing game this week. He has nothing to lose. If he doesn’t, the Bills will shut down the ground game. Just needs to make them play us honest.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Here is what happened to Ellis…lucky he just hurt his ankle, lol:
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/username101/15facts.jpg
September 20th, 2008 at 8:51 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 7:57 am
“I took the 9.5 and the over! Yeah!”
what does that mean?
It means you are a total ignoramus.
Go Raiders.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Dakota
I think we will hold on to Turiaf, thanks again for that. Who the hell is Sun Yue? We’ll take that dude with the long, greasy hair that always trips when a foul is called on him. That kid is pretty good.
September 20th, 2008 at 8:57 am
as long as the WRs can hold on to the freaking ball
September 20th, 2008 at 8:59 am
RaiderNation..
yeah, but at least I know what strong side is.. =)
September 20th, 2008 at 9:00 am
wow
September 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
I never, ever once thought I would ever type the following sentence.
I think that Ashley Lelie is going to have a big impact on Sunday for the Raiders. Don’t ask me why, call it a hunch.
Morning LMN
September 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
or should I say afternoon?
September 20th, 2008 at 9:14 am
hey ghost! i dont see anything on the ben troup signing?
September 20th, 2008 at 9:16 am
DMAC did win the ground player of the week!
September 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I don’t think the Bills will “shut down” the run game. They may make it tougher but I don’t think they’ll be able to actually shut it down. Its like trying to “shut down” Micheal Jordan. This run game is just too dominant for that. Its in the realm of possibilities, but I doubt it.
I still see the run game churning out over 100yds.
The rushing attack has faced 8 man fronts since that Miami game last year on a consistent basis. How many teams were able to stop it? KC had 8 and sometimes 9 man fronts the whole game and they couldn’t do squat except get pulverized and lit up for 300yds.
Buffalo’s defense will have to play lights out to shut down the Raiders run game. They will have to.
Believe it or not Fargas is our best runner in so far as decision making and always getting the tough positive yardage. I don’t think Fargas was stopped for negative yardage all season. He is a damn good runner and you all are overlooking him. He has been really impressive so far.
Now with that said, DMC is the most dynamic and talented runner we have who can break it with any touch. He’s a lot tough to bring down I see than I initially thought – a lot more physical than initially thought and runs a lot harder than initially thought.
Bush has that make you miss ability but requires a bigger hole for that bigger body and he’s tough as nails to bring down up high. That’s why you see everyone go for his legs. Many times he just falls forward for that extra yard or two.
Suffice to say, we have the best group of backs in the League. That’s not easy to stop.
Its the passing attack that you all should be worried more about.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Delicate
go to pft.com, they have deets on the Troupe signing.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am
porter is milking the jags too. we would have been screwed either way.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:21 am
-Dogg..
well if you just arrived some 36minutes go, and is our leading WR, then you not totally off..
As I said last night, I think Lelie is better than Javon.. but it would be great to have both ready..
That said, those who bashed Lelie and Javon prior to march 2008, should be careful of what they say..
if you kow what I mean..
September 20th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Nice breakdown Terrapin.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:22 am
I rather have an injured Javon, than an injured Porter.. Porter would just destroy his surroundings, I don’t think Javon is like that..
September 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am
-Dogg..
# RaiderDogg Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Morning LMN
or should I say afternoon?
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good evening, I guess =) its 1825 here now =)
September 20th, 2008 at 9:27 am
so who did we cut to sign him?
September 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am
-Dogg..
# RaiderDogg Says:
September 20th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Morning LMN
or should I say afternoon?
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good evening, I guess =) its 1825 here now =)”
LMN -
Well then it sounds about time that you start enjoying your Saturday Night then. I hope you are off work soon.
I agree with your Porter vs Walker assesment as well.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am
-Dogg..
yup I got home from work, 10 this morning.. my next shift is Monday night..
But now i’m without debt =) that means the MNF game is payed back now =) finally =)
September 20th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Denver couldn’t stop the run game. KC couldn’t stop the run game. And now comes Buffalo – maybe they can limit it but I doubt if they can stop it. I would be surprised if they were able to.
And yes, Denver could not stop our run game. If the game didn’t get so much out of hand you all would’ve been able to see it with more clarity. I saw it during the 1st drive – Fargas was tearing through their defense. Vs KC I saw it on the 1st drive as we were tearing though that defense too.
Lets hope Bush and DMC can do the same to Buffalo. Tough game man. Tough game.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Flower Power..
well I haven’t heard anything yet.. there was this guy ‘Was a fan’ he said he knew and that he was pissed about it – well he didn’t like Kiffin either, so I just thin he was an Alpologist..
But I haven’t heard anything.. yet =)
September 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am
The key to the running game is to run away from Stroud when you can and when you do run at Stround, cut him, cut him and then cut him some more. Get it in his head that we will be cutting him all day long!
September 20th, 2008 at 9:38 am
McFadden’s skinny legs generate more power than the predraft doubters thought. lol
September 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am
i think if JR tosses for 175-225+yds 2TDs and with 150-200yds rushing we will win this game. keep them off the field and wear there D down. then the haters on the networks will have to talk up about us.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Terrapin,
I agree with your assessment about the Raiders being able to run the football. I am sure the game plan assumes mostly 8 and 9 man fronts. The key for the Raiders is two-fold:
1. Maintain a run-first offense for 4 QTRs — no matter how tough it gets. 1 to 2 yds per rush in the 1st QTR can turn into 5 to 6 yds per rush in the 4th QTR
2. Rob Ryan has to put together a game plan that pressures the QB, stops the run, and keeps our offense in the game.
No prediction because I am not comfortable with Rob Ryan’s game planning
September 20th, 2008 at 9:49 am
You know that if the Raiders win it will still be more of the same BS. Even when the Raiders win they still get negative coverage. It will be that way until Al Davis either dies or gets a new heart and brain from the Wizard of Oz.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am
NCDF..
woaw? i don’t thin JR will throw for more than ~150, and I think we will run for 175-225 combined.. so what I’m saying is switch pass and run, the I agree =)
September 20th, 2008 at 9:55 am
#374
brutal but nice contrast
September 20th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Winning three games in row in the NFL is no easy task period, for any team. The bills are due for a loss.
Media makes EDWARDS the next great thing or everyone the Raiders play the hot new team.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Repost
Yahoo’s what next in Davis-Kiffin saga:
cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=9785714&ch=243724&src=sports
September 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Dakota
377 LMFAO your fuggin hilarious dude
September 20th, 2008 at 10:04 am
LMN – I’m afraid we will get a whooping tomorrow night.
Nice prediction LMN. Now I know the Raiders will win. Because you don’t know squat.
Go Raiders.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:07 am
EXLA
Its unlikey will be paaing on the Road in a hostile noisy venue…come on..Raider Lore is filled with false starts.
We have average at best pass block line that requires RB/FB and TE to stay and help.
I m not going to even get started with WRS.
Look for screen passes against a BIlls defense that might over pursue.
If we have 3rd and long will be setting up punting and field position.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:08 am
How much is WALKERS hammy costing AL per quarter/game break down? ouch!
September 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am
RaiderNation..
why don’t you come with some Ideas of your own, in stead of commenting on what I say?
September 20th, 2008 at 10:34 am
To win in Buffalo I believe that JaMarcus will have to make a significant contribution, not the simple milque toast avoidance of mistakes. Fling the rock around a bit and gain some further confidence.
Again, as Terrapin wrote,Ryan’s game plan for the D is essentially the key to whether anything on O will even matter.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
We cant win with a no O Line and a mediocre D line that the DC refuses to compensate for.
Al needs to let Kiffin do his job.
From Silvers SI article. I don’t think Ronnie Lott has a reason to lie:
Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen ’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen . “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott , who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/index.htm
September 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Did we sign Ben Troupe?
September 20th, 2008 at 10:40 am
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/20/SPUP131A5S.DTL
September 20th, 2008 at 10:44 am
run dmc
September 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Hellllllo?
September 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am
I hope it means Bush will see much more action in the 1st Q because I think its a waste of his abilities to first use in lat in 4th Q
September 20th, 2008 at 10:52 am
El Dirty..
yes, we did, and no release yet..
September 20th, 2008 at 10:55 am
After watching the Chefs game it is apparent that Russell had open lanes to take off and run for good yardage.But, was reluctant for what ever reason. This week I think he will run if its there. that might take some of the pass rush pressure off .
September 20th, 2008 at 10:56 am
LMN
Thanks man…That is HUGE! I know he has had some injury issues and hasn’t lived up to potential but he will free up ZM and we need another catcher cuz our starting WR’s suuuuuuuuuck.
September 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Bush is our closer when we have our full stable of RBs he can really wear out a tired defense but I’m sure he will be used in a number of ways this week early and often.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Do we know if Troupe is even activated for this game?
September 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
El Dirty..
totally agree..
so is it Madsen? who’ll go?
September 20th, 2008 at 11:08 am
R8R4FER..
I believe most teams does this at the deadline, not to give up anything at hand to the opposing team.. But I believe he will be..
September 20th, 2008 at 11:09 am
One thing is certain as the Buffys studied last week’s game tape from KC they had to notice that between McDaddy and Mikey, 30 carries 3 fumbles. Hope that is avoidable tomorrow. Let Marshawn do the oops-ing.
A prayer out to Mr Ronald “Clank” Curry to soften those hands of stone. Give J Russ a break.
September 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I don’t see them cutting Madsen… He is the oh sh!t we f&cked up reserve. I think we lose someone on D to make room
September 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
we have many WR’s on roster, 3 TE’s AND wakefield..
September 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
new thread..
its madsen =)
September 20th, 2008 at 11:15 am
whats up nation…..
dam i cant wait for tomorrow
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!
September 20th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
wow! im really impressed with your oakland raiders. the fact that grown men would get upset with being heckeld by some bills fans at the hyatt hotel in buffalo this weekend. i was at a wedding in wich your raiders were staying at and some bills fans attending the wedding wanted to let some raider players know how they felt about them coming into there hometown and in return the raiders got the entire wedding shutdown. man, i guess there paychecks are not big enough to sooth there pain from someone saying “raiders s__k!” i mean, when the raiders go into an oppossing teams stadium and get booed do they decide not to play because there fellings got hurt, they have to be the biggest loosers in the entire nfl. well yeah they are! look at there record recently. i’m not even a bills fan, infact i’m an eagles fan and ill be the first to tell you that if that was a philadelphia hotel, there would of been alot more than a you s__k comment. i hope the bills slauder the raiders sunday and lane kiffin ( who i seen the following moring exiting the hotel, and looks like he could care less about his job) just gives up becuase he realizes hes coaching a bunch of premadonas. what a joke.
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