Warren, Carlisle hurting


Aside from the continuing saga of coach Lane Kiffin, the most significant news had to do with injuries which could cost the Raiders two starters for their game against the San Diego Chargers Sunday at the Coliseum.

Defensive tackle Gerard Warren, who has been Oakland’s most dominant interior defender, has a torn pectoral muscle (it was originally identifed as a neck injury against the Bills). Right guard Cooper Carlisle, who left the game against the Bills and returned, has an ankle injury and may not practice this week.

While most coaches do their best to mask the seriousness of injuries, here is what Kiffin said regarding the Raiders two injured players.

Regarding Warren: “That could be a serious issue for us.”

Regarding Carlisle: “It’s bad.”

Not coincidentally, with Warren out of the game, the Raiders faded down the stretch against the Bills. That leaves Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands as the two remaining tackles. Kiffin also counts Fred Wakefield as a third tackle, but in reality Wakefield is a tight end/offensive lineman/defensive end who only recently began playing tackle.

The Raiders can also move Jay Richardson inside.

If Warren’s injury is for the longterm, the Raiders will be on the lookout for available tackles. It is doubtful anyone could be brought in this week to have an impact.

Carlisle was replaced in the lineup by Chris Morris, who would assume the starting role if Carlisle can’t play. The Raiders prefer to use Paul McQuistan exclusively on the left side.

(Correction: McQuistan, of course, is on injured reserve and out for the year. Brainlock after nine hours of travel headed home from Buffalo . . . thanks to those who pointed out the error)

Another injury of note belongs to Derrick Burgess, who has having an MRI for an triceps injury. Kiffin said it is conceivable Justin Fargas could rest another week, giving him two more weeks, including the bye, before returning to action.

Missed the locker room session while returning from Buffalo, making it just in time for Kiffin’s press briefing _ where the surprise guest was none other than Lane Kiffin.

Some quick hits:

— If the Raiders hope to get Kiffin to resign, it sounds as if they’re wasting their time.

“There’s no way I’m quitting, and that’s got nothing to do with money, at all,” Kiffin said. “That has to do with our players. I talked a lot of these players into coming here at some point – obviously, money has a lot to do with that – in free agency over the last two years. A lot of our coaches, I recruited them and their families to come here and build this thing together. So the last thing I’m ever gonna do is quit, the way that you guys are talking about quitting or even quit behind closed doors, as far as my energy or my passion towards getting this thing turned around.

“Because I believe we can turn this thing around. And there’s a lot of good things going the right direction, and I think we’re gonna turn it around.”

— Kiffin said he hasn’t spoken to Al Davis since before the Denver game and doesn’t feel it is his place to walk into his office and ask for a definitive statement one way or the other.

“There’s so many things to worry about running an NFL team and keeping this team together and coaching it, and our staff, that I’m not about to tell Al how he should be handling this situation,” Kiffin said. “He’s been doing this for a long time, has had great success in the league for a long time. I’ve got enough things to worry about, so I don’t need to worry about telling him how he should handle it. He’ll do what he feels in the best interest of our team, I’m sure.”

That was almost a compliment. He even called him “Al” instead of “the owner.”

— For those keeping score, ESPN and Fox Sports had Kiffin fired as soon as today, the NFL Network said Kiffin would make it through today but that Tuesday is a possibility.

— The bottom line? “Until Al Davis tells me I’m not the head coach, I’ll keep plugging away.”

— The bitter end against the Bills failed to serve as some sort of revelation that the Raiders ought to open things up offensively.

In fact, Kiffin sounds as stubborn as ever.

He talked about playing to position punter Shane Lechler in the fourth quarter and conceded, “It’s very foreign to me. That’s not the way I would want to manage a game. But it is where we’re at right now. And there’s no doubt in my opinion managing the game that way with the way we were playing gave us the best chance to win.”

— Linebacker Thomas Howard told reporters in the locker room Kiffin came to the back of the plane to talk over the game with Nnamdi Asomugha and Kirk Morrison.

— Kiffin said he expected everyone to be hurting with the end result.

“If you’re feeling good about yourself in this organization after that, then you’re not our type of guy,’’ Kiffin said. “Every person should be feeling they could have done something better. I know that’s the way I feel.’’

But he also found the silver lining in the black cloud in stepping up against a difficult opponent on the road.

“I compare that to last year, basically two similar situations where we went on the road, long trips, and that was Green Bay and Jacksonville, two playoff teams that we had to go on the road and play them in a tough environment, and we got handled pretty well,” Kiffin said. “As opposed to yesterday, where we outplayed them, we’re up by two scores with six minutes left. Once again, no one is pleased with the outcome or the way we finished. There are no moral victories, but I do like the direction that we’re going.”

— Kiffin credited Buffalo with speeding up the tempo on the Raiders defense with a “hurry-up, sperad out” situation and cited missed tackles as a culprit in the eventual demise.

If you’re looking for him to say they should have been blitzing . . . sorry. Kiffin said he leaves the defense to Rob Ryan but didn’t seem to have a problem with the strategy.

“Naturally you’re gonna be more conservative on defense in that situation, up by two scores, you’re gonna feel better about letting them complete five-yard passes and making a tackle,” Kiffin said. “And all of a sudden you miss a couple of those tackles and they go for 15, 20 yards now, where before you’re trying not to let ’em get a five-yard completion. That happens a lot of times, and it happened in that game. And unfortunately, it happened fast.”

— Running back Darren McFadden said again he was unaffected by the turf toe injury against Buffalo _ he slipped at least four times _ but Kiffin ins’t so sure.

“Hardly anybody else had any issues with it but him so I’d be surprised if it wasn’t having to do with his toe,” Kiffin said.

— Film review indicated to Kiffin that Gibril Wilson deserved his 15-yard personal foul against Josh Reed.

“From what I saw on the film Gibril deserved to be thrown out. He clearly punched the guy. I don’t know what happened before that because you can’t see it on the film. I’d love to protect him in this situation but there’s no reason for that,” Kiffin said. “No matter what’s happened before there’s
no reason for that and it hurt us. It hurt us with field position and it hurt us by not having him in there. We’re playing Branch, a rookie, instead of a guy who’s one of the highest paid guys and one of the keaders of our defense. I don’t like the decision that he made. I’m sure
Gibril regrets it as well.”


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • howiedoin

    Jerry you seemed to have missed a small incident at the press conference! I have watched that video a couple of times. I am so so proud to be a Raider fan right now! Having the best hour and a half belly laugh, reading comments from all over the country, I would just like to thank the Raider organization but mostly Big John Herrara The 60 year old Gangsta. This has been priceless!!! I didn’t think I could still laugh this hard. Priceless I tell ya!
    Did I distribute a flyer in this room? No! Your a Liar! Did I distribute a flyer in the hall? Oh you might have me there!

  • severeraider-Brothers United


    Is that on raiders.com???

  • severeraider-Brothers United


    Absolutely agree with one statement. You are correct when you said shen you know a team has to pass you should bring the blitz. Some delayed blitzes would have been perfect, especially with the speed of Howard and Morrison. Early on the 4 man rush was as good as a blitz, but later on it faltered and RR should have made more of an adjustment. He needs to watch tape of the eagles d and what they do in obvious passing situations.

  • SouthTexasRaider Says:
    November 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
    “Every team knows that if you just keep the game close with the Raiders they will eventually blow up and lose the game.”

    that schit is pretty f#ckin accurate and on que.
    i bet thats the last sentence in all the opposing teams preparation booklets for us this year alone.

  • some on defence wanted 2 blitz but they were cooked.We need more conditioning,rest Dmac and let Bush carry the load.Get JLH more involved,hes awesome

  • ChargersChoke

    “The Raiders prefer to use Paul McQuistan exclusively on the left side.”

    Hey isn’t McQuistan on injured reserve?

  • Sith Lord Davis

    With all this going on I figured you guys would start talking about how Davis calls the sidelines with plays to run on offense, but I guess that rumor been squashed by Kiffin saying he has not talked to the owner. Now we get to see how the media really does bait the Raider rumor mill by Jason Jones admitting that nobody received the article in question, good luck with more rumor mongering.

  • bank-bank

    Al Davis is so senile that he can’t see how that scrub Rob Ryan called the Dogs off of the Bills in the 4th quarter.Rob Ryan should be Locked up for that move and Fired!!Plus,Al Davis is causing all of this turmoil within his organization and it’s trickling down to everyone else.What about trying to get your team preparred to play football on game day.No,Als got everyone asking them questions about everything else instead of Football.Al and Rob Ryan=problem.Al,lets put all of this internal nonsense to rest and lets get this thing turned around so we can get back to playing football on game day by fighting on the field against our opponents not internally within yourselves.It’s early the season is still wide open.There is time to change for the better but,you must stop this B.S. before its too late!!!

  • Charlie

    The sad thing about all of this is many people seem to think coaching is going to make a difference in wins and losses this season. It won’t because we do not have enough DEVELOPED TALENT yet.
    Coaching will help develop the talent but we are at least one solid draft away from contending for a playoff spot.
    Kiffin and staff are doing a great job with a young developing team. Those that do not think so do not understand how pathetic 2006 really was.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    Thats what is so funny, the only internal fighting is with the press, by media buffs frustrated to get a story from Davis, good luck with that.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    I told you guys Wilson was a liability versus the pass just like they said he was in New York.

  • DirtyBathWater

    This is what we get…….they shoukd know we’re gonna get hit with injuries so they do nothin to add depth to the team. I guess considering playing a TE as a DT is acceptable on this team how pathetic! We should have kept william joseph, shoot bring his arse back damn do something we need more beef! Oline and dline

  • DirtyBathWater

    Wilson hasn’t been exposed to the pass its D.Hall that’s the liability that damn busta. Wilson has been what we needed at the position, solid in the box agains the run and a solid tackler

  • Sith Lord Davis

    He did not look solid getting pushed into the endzone then trying to bitch slap the player that did it before getting ejected.

  • DirtyBathWater

    I agree charlie we have a real young team that is still developing we just need time…..being in a league where they want instant results, we have to have a solid foundation and build this team, and we will be there soon

  • DirtyBathWater

    Sith cmon man that was one play and do you think he can help much when we have a TE in on that play,playing DT getting thrown like a sack of potatoes?

  • Hobs Gnarly

    If Millen gets canned, maybe Al should think about bring him on as GM. I guaruntee none of this front office crap will be going on under him.

  • Diceq

    McQustian is on IR. WE should try out Ed up in smoke Johnson or Rod Coleman

  • DirtyBathWater

    Yo dice ya man im feeling you on those 2 guys is grady jackson still out there?

  • Joe Raider

    #10 hit the nail on the head in responding to Goon and all the other fans out there screaming at Al ” Yo, Fire Kiffin’s azz, yo!” Despite ending the drama in theory, it would hurt Russell’s development.And the team would have to learn yet another system. More importantly, like he said, who is going to coach? Who is going to be willing to take the job. I’m not sold on Lofton as a head coach or Ryan.Calling for Kiffin to fired, especially in mid-season means you aren’t thinking.Finally I am afraid without Warren, LT will hang 200 yards on us come Sunday.

  • Dakota

    morning…is Kiffin still with us?

  • DirtyBathWater

    Yeah scary thought about LT, I agree wholeheartedly we are not prepared to have a coaching change on this team davis and the suits upstairs will destroy the raiders and the development of russell

  • Holy Toledo

    Hey, I am running late so gotta role but you guys have to go to profootballtalk.com and see the fight that went down at the press conference yesterday before it get taken down. Interesting $&it…………

  • La Milicia Negra


    yup, I think so =)

  • La Milicia Negra

    I’ve watched the game 3 times now, I really tried to see it like those who want Kiffin gone.. but I must admit I come up with the same conclusion.. its Rob Ryans fault..

  • RaiderRockstar

    Wakefield will play often on Sunday. we were thin to begin with and Sands isn’t an every down player! Move Richardson there and give Kalimba Edwards more time at DE. Scott and Wakefield could split time at the other side if Burgess injury is serious.

    Activate John Wade and let him back up both guard spots. Kwame Harris backup LT.

  • Lucky Raider Chris

    Kiffin has said it many times. This team does not have a GM . Yesterday was a perfect example of why the Raiders are the Bengal’s of the late 80’s and 90’s. There was talk back then of pressure being put on the bengals owner (Brown)… the same must be done to Al Davis. This just needs to stop man. No one will want to coach here . No one. Should the raiders hire a 25 year old college intern?

  • Kerry Collins

    HA Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha….

    Did you guys see me run on Sunday…..Byatches!!!!!!!

  • Embarassed

    I wonder what a page ad in the Oakland tribune costs for sunday to tell Al to leave kiffin in and to fix his organization, that many fans are fed up with the shennigans, but still behind the team and the players.

    and then signed and a link to the keepkiffin web site.

  • NoLuv4Hoes

    why have we not signed a big fat defensive tackle?

  • Mark H

    As a season ticket holder since the return in 95′ I am done with Al and his goons! I am not going to any more games and giving my tickets up, thats it! The orgainization is a complete embarassment. I know many of the poeple I have sat with in section 118 feel the same way, they are done with old man Al! In fact I hear there could be a big effort this weekend at the Chargers game by many fans who will let Al know they want Kiffin to stay and that Al SUCKS! But I will not be there because I am not giving that myopic old man any more of my $ or loyalty.

  • Cole Ford

    Trade John Herrera for Matt Millen.

  • AL-
    Is that the guy you’re listening to..?
    Judging by his interaction with that lame reporter, I think you need to find more inside guys…you guys operate like some sort of gang it looks like, with Herrara playing the tough guy at age whatever…tell that old fart to sit down and let the KID do the talking..Al, the kid may have displayed a little disloyalty, but Mr. Herrara is not doing you any favors AT ALL…

  • Where did you pluck this guy from? A bar in the Fruitvale District?

  • K-Rock

    Rob Ryan sucks

  • Im Confused

    Embarassed Says:
    September 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 am
    I wonder what a page ad in the Oakland tribune costs for sunday to tell Al to leave kiffin in and to fix his organization, that many fans are fed up with the shennigans, but still behind the team and the players.

    and then signed and a link to the keepkiffin web site.

    I think everyone should print out that Keep Kiffin sign……………Can you imagine a sea of white in the stadium? Wouldn’t it be awesome if someone sponsored a bunch of t-shirts with the logo on it and they handed them out in the parking lot. I think 70 thousand fans, ok I am being optimistic, but a lot of fans in the Mca….I mean Oakland what ever stadium would be a great sight!

    Maybe we could blind the old bastyrd while we are at it!

  • AlisGod

    Alot of you guys crack me up. We COULDNT PLAY MAN IN THE LAST 6 MINUTUES even if we wanted to because our D was GASSED!!! Hello? Even D-Hall admitted he was gassed. Even Kiff had to take a time out because he saw our D was gassed. Stop whining about the D. When your O was only 2-12 on drives, the D will get tired. We got unlucky when they converted that long third down from their 1 and they drove on us.

    Until we start playing some offense, we aint going to win anything. Stop whining already…jeezzzz

  • I mean, did you see this guy? Walking around with his shirt hanging out his waist, then in the middle of the confrontation with Captain Yuppie Tim Kawakami, pull up his pants around his fat waist?

  • #57, thank you…
    three times in the red zone, three field goals..
    What happened to throwing the ball to Zach once, coach.?
    Come on kiff, use your playbook

  • Chile Relleno

    I wish we could just go back to wondering who Kiffin was dancing with at the combine, Ahhh! the good ol days

  • Was watching Mike and Mike this morning, Golic made a great point. He was saying that behind all this front office chaos and dysfunction, the actual team is looking much better than last year, and is quietly improving from week to week. The Denver game was just Shanny with a perfect game-plan to pick apart our defense, KC we pounded them into the ground with our run game, and in Buffalo we lost by a point in the final seconds to a playoff bound team (on the road).

    That seam route to JLH was our first real good looking pass-play of the year, the running game seems to be on track, and despite what RR does to ruin things, that defense clearly has some talent. If we had a half decent offense, we would have destroyed Buffalo on Sunday with all those turnovers and stops in the first 3 quarters. The offense just has not found its rythm yet, but that will come with time. Kiff is bringing Jam along with a good foundation of protecting the ball and managing the game. Soon enough he will be making all the throws.

  • And Al, please tell your GUY he needs a little thicker skin if thats the way he reacts to a 49er beat writer..they already have it in for the Raiders, so don’t waste your time..instead, answer questions only from media typre who have a preference for Raider football, like me……

  • Im Confused

    Hey Raider Fan……Did you see when he gave himself a murphy. It almost looked like backwards mooseknuckle!


  • Al Davis, if you are reading this blog

    Dear Al Davis:

    What is wrong with you? Don’t you want to win games. I know you say you do, but I am not so sure. I have been a Raiders’ fan since 1986, and it has become increasingly more difficult over the years to believe in this team. Your ego and antiquated management practices are preventing your beloved Raiders from winning. You and your team are the laughing stock of the sports world. If you have any sense left, do not fire Coach Kiffin and please, for the sake of all Raiders’ fans, hire a real GM. The game passed you by twenty years ago.


    A Raiders fan.

  • K-Rock

    Its 10:06 AM and Rob Ryan still sucks.

    That is all.

  • K-Rock

    But, but (sniff, sniff) we did blitz in the 4th quarter. You didn’t even watch the damn game!


    Nnamdi21, you sound like a woman. Like having a discussion with my wife.

    I don’t care what your little raidersfan blog friends had to say. THE QB FROM THE OTHER TEAM would know more about the defense than anyone WATCHING THE GAME!


    Edwards all but thanked Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan for calling off the dogs and giving him ample time to set up in the pocket and wait for a receiver to break free time and again.

    “They weren’t bringing their pressure because they wanted to sit in coverage a little bit,” Edwards said. “So, they kind of settled down a little bit, and we were able to hit some throws and get the ball down the field.”

  • Dakota

    Did he say smoke potters?

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  • Im Confused

    This is what I told Tim,


    My man. Glad to see you called that bastyrd to the mat. Although I will say you got punked. As a man, with someone putting their finger in my face, he is trying to bait you yes, but he is also questioning your manhood. I know your a niner guy, but even niner fans have rights. Step up next time like you have a pair and put your foot in his azz. I would have stomped him into next year! Way to go though. Do it again!


  • typical raiders