Letter from Davis to Kiffin
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, September 30th, 2008 at 5:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A copy of the following letter was displayed on an overhead projector as owner Al Davis outlined his reasons for firing coach Lane Kiffin. Davis said the letter was sent following the Denver game and served as evidence as communication between the two. Kiffin said the two had not talked since before the Broncos game.
September 12, 2008
By Hand Delivery and Federal Express
Dear Lane:
Over the past months, you have made a number of public statements that were highly critical of, and designed to embarrass and discredit this organization, its players and its coaches. I left you alone during training camp in hopes that you would cease your immature and destructive campaign.
However, you continue to make public statements that are critical of the organization, its players as a whole as well as individual players. Such statements constitute conduct detrimental to the Raiders and I will no longer stand silently by while you continue to heart this organization.
Further, you rontract is quite clear that you work “subject to the direction and supervision of the General Partner’’ and that the General Partner has the “exclusive right to do all things, which in its sole discretion are necessary to maintain and improve the Club, the football organization and their activities.’’
I realized when I hired you that you were young and inexperienced and that there would be a learning process for you. Your mistakes on player personnel and coaches were overlooked based on our patience with you. But I never dreamt that you would be so untruthful in statements to the press as well as on so many other issues. Your actions are those of a coach looking to make excuses for not winning, rather than a coach focused on winning.
For example, with the exception of Gibril Wilson, you were involved in recruiting all free agents and determining salaries for them and you were explicit in your desire to sign Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall amongst others. All were a must to sign in your eyes, Hall in particular, because he played for Greg Knapp in Atlanta and Knapp gave him high grades. Do not run from that now.
I do realize that you did not want to draft JaMarcus Russell. He is a great player. Get over it and coach this team on the field, that is what you were hired to do. We can win with this team!
In regards to your recent fabrications about the defense, during the final cuts you made every cut on offense and every cut on defense except for Wakefield on defense and Wand on offense. Further more, during the game Monday night Rob played your Cover 2 defense and we got killed on an approximately 50-yard touchdown pass and approximately 70-yard gain that led to a field goal.
You meet every week with the defensive coaches to go over both the past game and to get a general feel for what will happen during the week in practice. You have the ability and authority to provide your input during those meetings and the preparation fo the game plan. I do not have weekly meetings with Rob _ you do.
During the week no one has ever gold you what to do on either offense or defense. In addition, no one has ever told you during a game what to do on either offense or defense and you call every play on offense. During a game if you want to blitz more, all you have to do is let Rob know what blitz you want and he will do it.
Although you continue to use the media to express your dissatisfaction with others, no one has publicly pointed out to you that in 4 preseason games and one regular season game played this year, your offense has scored one first half touchdown. That put tremendous pressure on the defense.
I know hta tyou wanted to bring your father in to run the defense and that Monte told me he wanted to come here even though he is under contract to Tampa. However, I did not wan to tamper with another team. In any event that was over seven months ago. Do not also run from the defense and your responsibilities.
This letter constitutes notice that if you further violate any term of your contract, in any manner whatsoever, you will be terminated for cause. I trust that this will not occur.
A.D. Football, Inc.
By: (Al Davis signature)
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September 30th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
In Cable I Trust!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Foolkell=SELLOUT
September 30th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
WIN LOSE OR TIE………………..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Kiffin was acting like an idiot.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
cant wait for kiff’s press conference tomorrow – al made a compelling case, good enough to get the players on his side…was it the truth? who knows.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
To the point…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Too much drama. Who the hell do we even play next?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Only in Raiderland. How come no one asked Al about his health? He looks quite ill.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I don’t know who is telling the truth…but I saw a much improved football team who, if were given time with the same system, were going to improve a lot. You can’t fire coaches so often and consistency or improvement.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Listen if Kiffin wanted the Arkansas job he sold out his players the first year on the job.
Im a Raiders fan not a Lane Kiffin fan, I liked him but I think he was looking out for his best intrest and not the best intrest of the team.
Tom Cable is the right man for the job, the maturity is night and day between him and Kiffin.
I’m glade Al brought up the two timeouts, that was really bad, and the 76 yard field goal
September 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
faiderdogg, wanted to urgently meet Oakglenn at the last game. faiderdogg, Oakglenn is not gay like you. muhahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
The immature one – make that paranoid and deathly afraid of someone speaking the truth – is Davis.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
So what has Lane Kiffin done since this letter was supposedly sent to him, which violated his contract?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
This letter looks like it was written up this morning
September 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Why would Kiff want these players here and then after they are signed say the opposite? makes no sense
September 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I think Al Davis is making some of this crap up to make himself look good.
Can’t wait to hear what Kiffin has to say on this tomorrow!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Only in Raiderland, what a zoo. So Al Davis is putting all the blame on Kiffin.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Davis has a case, but that does not make him morally right. It is clear that this was a well orchestrated and Machiavellian move on Davis’ part. This is how it seems to me: Kiffin wanted to improve the team by getting rid of Ryan, just like any coach would, and Davis was pissed because he does not believe in letting coaches do their job (which is why we are perpetual losers). Kiffin was pissed because Davis tried to force him out, and then Kiffin said f*ck you old man, your going to have to fire me. Davis let the saga go on so long so he could build his case of insubordination and not have to pay him. The whole thing was the typical wrangling of dictator. It is clear Al Davis knows his history. He is smart, I will give him that.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
ShawnRaiders81 has nailed it. The rest of you can just shut up.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
SLVRNBLACK,
Exactly….it doesn’t make any sense because this crap was just made up by the old man or Herrera so they can try and save face.
Lets see what Kiffin says tomorrow!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Tom Cable is the next glutton for punishment – no credit when they win, all the blame when they lose. Little control over personnel. Davis is a wingnut, we won’t win again until he dies.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
We may never know how much of Davis’ comments are B.S, and how much was true. But, if everything he says in that letter is correct (which I doubt), then Kiff is a whiny dufus. My hunch though is that Al is full of it.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Dickota Retard,
Your conversation is that of a 10yr old retard.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Dickota Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
“faiderdogg , don’t address me boy.”
Excuse me? Wow your ignorance has really confused you beyond all comprehension. You have no idea who it is that you are talking to yet you make many assumptions.
Take a look around you. The negativity that surrounds you is of your own creation, it is you that chooses to live this way. In the end, when you log off, it is you that you must face in the mirror. The face of ignorance and hate. As you read these words begin to understand why they piss you off so much, yet ring so true…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
You are the only ape in the zoo. muhahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Crazy.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
What a mess…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Who would work for AL? He showed that you either kiss my ass or you can be fired without cause.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Say what you want about Al, but this letter makes it pretty clear that Kiffin is indeed a liar and a fraud. We now know who the “inside source” has been this offseason until now.
We wanted to hear from Al, and he revealed more than we could’ve imagined. Yet people are criticizing Al for airing “dirty laundry” about a guy who disgraced his team and feeling sorry for this weasel Kiffin?
Talk about drinking the kool-aid…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Retard Boy,
What’s the matter, did the black kids take your lunch money everyday? Weakling
September 30th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I was watching Michael Lombardy on NFL network and he hates Al Davis and said that Kiffin was intersted in the Arkansas job and that Petrino left ATL so fast because Kiffin was probably going to take it after the year was over.
That’s all I need to hear, I don’t care about all the other BS if Kiffin wanted OUT when his motto was “I’m IN” than thats the last straw for me.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
This letter was extremely inflammatory and contradict everything kiffin has done for the past 8 months. In each instance where al could have percieved some sort of wrongdoing by kiffin, al has basically written in the letter that it was kiffin’s fault. The only fault Al has taken was by not firing him sooner and for firing him in the first place. As long as Al continues to have a high level of impatience with the product on the field and our players don’t have a chance to develop we will be continually rebuilding.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I’m on Kiffin’s side. It’s clear the will to win is making him go crazy. I am sad to say I was embarrassed with Davis’ news conference today, especially regarding Monty Kiffin, one of the most well respected coaches in the league.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
faiderdogg, you are a dummy from thinking some fool on a blog can sell you a house in another state. You are a hin pecked little squid, that comes here to vent from your little pathetic up bringing. It’s not our fault you are broke and can’t afford Cali, BOY. muhaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
You know I’ve admired Al since I was 5 years old and my dad introduced me to football and the Raiders. But that frikin letter is crap. And it pisses me off. Lane made this team better and would have kept making it better. The players liked and played for him. Why did Al bring out that so called 3 week old letter. Shiit He probably had someone type it up for him yesterday. He’s trying to control the damage to him and his organization. To late for that Al.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
This letter looks like a template, fake.
And get a load of how Al Davis signs.
A.D. Football, Inc.
WTF is that??
September 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Um, were those all Al’s typos, or Jerry’s?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
KoolKell, I wouldn’t engage in his racism, with him. There are to many black kids doing long prison terms because, of what you just said.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
My friend was a d-line coach at Idaho with Cable from 2000-2003. Granted Cable was 34 when he took the job, but the reviews were piss poor. Apparently, he is sorely lacking as a leader of men, which is sharp contrast to what Al has to say. We are f’d!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I don’t know who is lying or what but I do feel both men have valid points. Also, on ESPN, Chris Morensen was asked if he did what Mr. Davis stated about Kiffin being asked to resign and he didn’t answer the question. I am more inclined to believe Al’s version moreso than Kiffin’s. I will listen to what Kiffin has to say.
Some things were interesting…like Monte Kiffin wanting to come here.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
So……………
Are there any questions?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
BUT AL YOU MISS THE BIG PICTURE!!
MAYBE KIFFIN SHOULDN*T HAVE TALKED TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT OUR PROBLEMS; BUT FACT IS HE HAS BEEN RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING HE’S SAID!! AND FACT IS IT WAS COMFORTING THAT SOMEONE FINALLY ADDRESSED IT!!
WE ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM AND YOU THINKING WE ARE; THATS THE BIG PROBLEM!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
maybe a quick proofread Jerry lmao…..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Retards keep to the topic. This is not the place to play your stupid grab ass game.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Al is doing exactly what he is accusing Lane of doing. Airing laundry.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
A.D. Football, Inc.
WTF is that??
September 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Kiffin’s not a standup guy, neither is Al Davis.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
JT, that’s how the Raiders are actually owned. As a partnership with the General Partner in a corporation.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
JT
that means Al Davis Football Inc…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
And LMN, I am not Dikota.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
What the hell kinda operation you running here Al? Give the man a phone call this aint the 10’s…letter delivered by hand, by fedex, by a trained labrador and shiet! who gives a f@ck! Our O line sucks, our wr suck, our best def player is not under contract, we have 3 dt’s. What the hell is Cable gonna say? Its his fault that Javon is a biotch and that the Dline is gassed at the end of games? That its his fault JRussel is a rookie? etc…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Guy’s all of this is a moot pint…..
Kiffin wanted “out” With the university of Arkansas job
Kiffins catch frase was “I’m In”
See the contradiction there, I don’t want ANYONE who does not want to be here.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
THAT DENVER GAME WE DID NOT PLAY COVER 2! if we played a true cover 2 then deangelo AND nnadi would have been bumping at the line covering the short routes with both safties split, most of the game we were in a cover 3 pressing nnadi though, and having deangelo in a deep third with royal killing us right in front of deangelo! get it right al…..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I’ll reserve judgement until tomorrow. Al isn’t as far gone as I thought. The training wheels were definitely taken off of Jamarcus against the Chargers. He’s paid too much money to hand off an entire 2nd half like he did in Buffalo! IN CABLE WE TRUST (HEAVEN HELP US).
September 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Dickhead -
With the money that I make from selling my 3 bedroom house in Cali, I can buy 4 houses in Oregon, genius. It’s simple math really, which explains why you couldn’t possibly understand.
That’s not even including the sizeable inheritance that just came through for me, RIP G’Mo. It’s nice to have some real money in this time of uncertainty.
Good things happen to good people but then again, you wouldn’t know anything about that either.
Good luck with the rest of your pathetic little existence.
I am out for real, hang in there Nation.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
RaiderNation,
Now you can get your hopes up all over again, right? Until the inevitable, AGAIN.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
I won the debate against the sellout since she didn’t bother showing up. I wouldn’t have showed up either if I know I sold-out my race! I love this game.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Brien wtf are you talking about you little biotch?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Al has had it abundantly clear that he is impossible to work for. He exposed that he meddles in game planning and that a coach can be fired for the slightest reason. The most damning aspect of the presser is that Kiffin was right to want to fire Ryan and Al would not let him do it. Al still believes Ryan is at the top of his field. Ryan’s resume puts him in the toilet. The current dysfunction within the Raiders will make almost impossible for them to climb out of the cellar.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
“Im a Raiders fan not a Lane Kiffin fan, I liked him but I think he was looking out for his best intrest and not the best intrest of the team.”
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Im a raiders fan, not a Al Davis fan, I liked him but I think he was look out for his own interest, not the best interest of the team – By that I mean, Als hunger or claim for complete power overrules rescuing our franchise..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
SLVRNBLK81:
You and I both know that Al Davis loves man coverage and I will bet you my years pay checks that Al would not have oked any cover 2 or cover 3.
He is a man to man in your face fan.
Come on man! i’m not on Al’s side its fact he has fired more people than most, but you are smarter than that!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
LMN:
Come on, I know what your saying and I’m not an Al fan either but he built the Raiders. It’s common sense.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Shawn #52 is just one of the great points here. My point for the last few weeks is Kiffin acts like he has no confidence in his guys. To hear Davis confirm that, to me that was the kiss of death right there. Get him away from our team.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
faiderdogg, inheritances don’t make a man. That’s what makes a spoiled woman, derelict! Get off of your but and go to work so your snotty little kid can look up to his mom! muhahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Yeah we know he loves man to man but how many times have we played it versus soft zones this year? Al isn’t to blame for calling these plays that seems too much for me, but placing the blame on kiff is not the right way to go.
At the same time Lane isn’t right either but that will be on tomorrow’s post Lane interview.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Who cares what Kiffin says tommorow?
He is no longer a Raider.
And he never was.
Long Live Al.
Just Win Baby.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Retard Boy,
Do you have any football comments?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
# Brien Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
I won the debate against the sellout since she didn’t bother showing up. I wouldn’t have showed up either if I know I sold-out my race! I love this game.
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to get that straight.. if a black man and a white woman or white woman and a black chick falls in love, they are sell outs?
excuse me what decade is this? the 60’s? wake up man, what a pathetic remark..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
faiderdogg, what tool did you use to murder granny with, to inherit her fruit stand?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
If this letter is true… FACK KIFFIN!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Actually SLVRNBLK81, the first TD of the game was a 2 deep safety defense. The proverbial cover 2.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
“you were involved in recruiting all free agents and determining salaries for them and you were explicit in your desire to sign Javon Walker and DeAngelo Hall amongst others”.
I think the part of the salaries is a lie. We all know Al overpaid them
September 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
One thing I will say is that Al needs to fir that dumb John Herrera too, that guy has no buisness in PR at all!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
*fire*
September 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Kool Kell,
Did you watch the press conference or read a full transcript? Al Davis accepted blame for this mess and also owned up to not admitting his error. So no, he didn’t shift the blame entirely on Kiffin.
Everyone wants him to speak and when he does everyone accuses him of lying and being a tyrant. Kiffin is made out to be some kind of hero after leaking to the press and selling our team short and not giving them the best chance to win.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I hate to agree with Marty S., but he said On Sirius NFL radio that Al has accomplished great things in the past, but the game has clearly passed him by. I hate to agree with Bozo the Shotts, but he is right. The Raiders have circled the drain and will set records for ineptitude after this season. It is funny how avoided speaking of the 6 year mess he created.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
So I guess that means that Fire Kiffin will change his name to Fire Cable now?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Al passing all the blame onto Lane for the Raiders sucking? I’m sure Al gave Lane the power to bring in and determine the salaries of these free agents. It’s you Al, and your control that has us where we are. Why didn’t you just fire his a$$ three weeks ago.Horse krap.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
probably a re-post but pretty good take by Florio…
As for ME, I want a coach with the same passion for the Raiders as we have (and clearly our OWNER has)…it is clear Lane was NOT a Raider and was coaching for his next job…this guy is not Shanahan…or Gruden…we won’t see him roaming an NFL sideline anytime soon…and I suspect not a REAL division one college program…he belongs upstairs in a booth sending in recommendations to a REAL coach…
I’m IN and looking forward to the rest of the season…and I suspect the players appreciated how their OWNER and new HEAD COACH went to bat for them today…
I’m not willing to project Cable as the next Madden…but I’d rather take a chance with him than continue a season with ‘boy wonder’…I can’t take another game without a couple of consecutive first downs to help preserve a lead and give the defense a rest…Kiffins game management was AWFUL…anyone that says otherwise was not watching the last two games!
This team is NOT that far away…
DAVIS ACCUSES KIFFIN OF PROPAGANDA, LYING
Posted by Mike Florio on September 30, 2008, 5:34 p.m.
At the outset of a stunningly candid press conference regarding the team’s decision to fire coach Lane Kiffin, Raiders owner Al Davis explained that Kiffin was fired for “propanganda” and “lying” that had gone on for months. Kiffin was “bringing disgrace to the organization,” Davis said, calling Kiffin on multiple times a “flat-out liar.”
One thing is clear to us: The 79-year-old Davis still seems to be as sharp mentally as he ever has been, and we tend to believe every word he’s saying.
He claims that Kiffin at some point got the idea in his head that he could get out of his contract and still get paid, and that Kiffin tried to accomplish it by complaining regularly about his situation.
Davis went on to read from a three-page letter given to Kiffin on the Friday before the Week Two game against the Chiefs, which letter was prompted by Kiffin’s comments that he has no involvement in the defense, and that coordinator Rob Ryan works directly with Davis on this point.
Also, Davis said that Kiffin called every play on offense during his time with the team, and that he split the play-calling duties with an unnamed assistant coach on Sunday against the Chargers.
After the Week Three loss to the Bills, Davis said that he asked Kiffin point-blank why he didn’t use his final two time outs. “He takes exception when you question him,” Davis said.
Davis then made a snide remark regarding the 76-yard-field goal attempt at the end of the first half of the Week Four loss to the Chargers, which prompted us to question whether Kiffin was trying to get himself fired.
Asked whether Kiffin was daring Davis to fire him, Davis said, “That’s a good question.”
The rift apparently arose seven months ago. Davis said that Kiffin wanted to his father, Monte Kiffin, to run the defense — and that Monte Kiffin wanted to do it. Davis claims that the Raiders opted not to pursue the elder Kiffin because he was under contract with the Bucs.
Davis claims that Lane Kiffin wanted to fire defensive coordinator Rob Ryan after the 2007 season. “I can’t win with this guy,” Kiffin supposedly told Davis.
Davis said that Kiffin didn’t want to draft quarterback JaMarcus Russell, because Kiffin thought he’d be the “overweight guy” and the “uninterested guy.”
Said Kiffin after the 2007 season (per Davis), “We can’t win with this.”
Davis also confirmed that Kiffin wanted the Arkansas job, which Kiffin previously denied. Lane was “upset as hell” about it when Bobby Petrino left Atlanta to get the job. Kiffin then supposedly targeted another college job.
As to reports that Kiffin was presented with a letter of resignation, Davis said that the document was an attempt to resolve Kiffin’s situation if he were to get another job, at the college level. Davis said that Kiffin, whom he called a “professional liar,” then turned that into a claim that Davis had presented him with a resignation letter.
Davis ended his remarks, before fielding questions, by stating unequivocally that the team will rebound from this, and that the Raiders will win.
Frankly, we were riveted by the press conference. Davis rarely speaks publicly, but when he does he brings the heat. And we get the sense that he treats his people well, if they are willing to treats others well, too. Particularly compelling to us were comments from Davis regarding his desire that long-term players not simply be discarded, and that Kiffin take care of ex-Raiders.
Davis has a clear passion for his team, and we have a newfound affection for Davis, and for the Raiders. Though there are problems with the franchise that need to be addressed, Davis deserves our deference and respect, and we’re more than happy to give it to him.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
You are less than OJ, you scum of your race. I keep on winning since you won’t answer the question.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
did anyone see Kiffin being interviewed on bspn?very interesting.said he felt embarrassed forA.scumbag Davis.i guaranteed he takes the high road tomorrow due to attorneys advise.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
# ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
LMN:
Come on, I know what your saying and I’m not an Al fan either but he built the Raiders. It’s common sense.
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my true respect stopped mid 80’s, I had some proforma respect till mid 90’s… I wanted to win a SB before he died to pay back what he did in the 60-80’s but now I simply just want him dead, I know its horrible, but its the truth.. :/
Another thing, I will most likely be a Kiffin devotee for years, I will forever be a raider fan, but I hope al dies and I will root for whatever team Kiffin joins.. High School, college, or NFL..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
The Letter, was obviously crafted as a tool to get Al Davis out of his contract with Kiffin.
How about the Javon Walker, D Hall remarks in that letter. Oh yeah, they’re not gonna quit.
Al Davis cannot handle his own organization anymore.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Plunkett:
I’m not trying to be a jerk, but when you side with people like Marty what buisness do you really have posting in a Raiders blog?
Everyone know that he hates everything Raiders why would he say anything good about this org?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I don’t believe that letter was posted by Al Davis. I don’t believe it’s wording would come from a man as experienced as him. Al Davis would never formally phrase his feelings like, “Get over it and coach this team on the field”, or, “Rob played your Cover 2 defense and we got killed”.
Plus, anyone who has ever been fired from any position knows fine well you don’t get a letter like this handed to you right before you get canned.
I think this entire story is made up.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Ass Sniffin,
AL did not accept responsibility for the 6 year mess we are in. I think you need to listen to it again. I wanted to hear his thoughts about how he f’d the Raiders up.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Brien..
now that you illustrates what kind of brain power you have.. have you found out what ’strong side’ means??
September 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Winning What, Brien? You obviously don’t know what winning is. Go back to stroking Al.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Al & Lane…The reason these two D1ckheads hate each other so much is because they’re actually perfect for each other.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Another troll bites the dust=faidermutt
Muhahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
No, Dynomite.
Cable is a man.
I fully expect him to win coach of the year and lead the Raiders back to the playoffs.
Just Win Baby.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Brien Winning What for godsakes. You obviously have nothing going on in your life.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
foolkell=faidermutt
September 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I’m calling bull puckie. This is a scam by AD to save face. It’s not just Kiffin we are talking about here, it’s everyone that has ever worked for the Raiders. They all say the same thing.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I am a self made man with more than enough money to last my childrens kids and their kids too. It’s called getting a college education and doing something with your life, once again, something you obviously know nothing about. The inheritance is just a sweet lady leaving something nice for her grandson.
You will rot in hell for disrecpecting my dead grandmother, among many other things I’m sure. If you were in front of me and had anything to say about my family you would be picking your teeth up off the ground. Believe it son! You have no idea.
Now be gone racist, ignorant fool. I will no longer respond to your ignorance and hate, you do not deserve my respect or time. Look in the mirror and see the face of ignorance and hate.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Story on interviews by Davis, Kiffin and ASOMUGHA.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
They seemed to like him alot.
This story also makes it sound like Al is circling the drain.
Any thoughts on who replaces him when the inevitable comes?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Of course the letter is “true,” in a technical sense, it was drafted by Al and his lawyers just like anyone else would do. It needs to be deposition proof. But even if Lane was on board with the signings (and i dont think he ever said he wasn’t) it doesn’t mean he had to keep sucking the players off when they were dogging it in training camp…, does it?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
ShawnRaider81,
He is a tool, but he is correct. That how bad things are that clowns like Marty can be right about how f’d things are.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I don’t buy any of Al’s bull**** anymore.
Especially the Cover 2 B.S. You don’t throw in Cover 2 once in a blue moon and expect it to work. It takes practice. Guys don’t just magically know how to play zone defense effectively.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Plunkett:
Al said he picked the wrong guy.
Al said it gets him down to see the team in this state.
Al said he has responsablility for the 5 coaches.
Where we watching the same press confrence???
September 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
If Al is displaying a letter to the press with proof of it being sent to Kiffen then it’s because he’s going to use the letter as proof of insubordination when Kiffen files suit to retrieve all the money he’s owed.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
did we all really trust kiffin? al does a good job persuading us though. if its half true.. he needed to be fired.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Raiderhogg, stay on topic. No one cares.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
At least Brien’s been uncovered. Time for me to move on. You pathetic little fukker. Ok I’m done.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
the letter is real…
the letter indicated that it was delivered via Fedex…
the reason it was delivered via fedex is to document the delivery date…
right now i cannot be more proud of being a fan of this franchise… and i am particularly a fan of Al Davis…
Mr. Davis, thank you for ridding the raider nation of this cancer…
for the rest of you… what we have witnessed was a power play on the part of kiffie… designed to wrest control of the raiders from Al Davis…
kiffie thought lining up fan support, support from the media, and perhaps others in the front office would somehow gain him full control…
kiffie was wrong…
piss on kiffie…
long live Al Davis… doing it his way…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Come on Kell, they are getting the best of you. Fight back unlike, Obama.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
this came about 9 games to late , but thank god it is done, now resign madsen move him back to wr , and start using all the talent this team has, and finally knapp gets to call a play and not have it over ruled, come raider al lets go
September 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I just don’t understand why Raiders fans would side at all with Kiffin if he really wanted to take the Arkansas job in the first year of his contract.
Once again Kiffin had his saying posted at training camp “I’m In.” when he really checked “out” when a nice college job came along.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
LMN -Another thing, I will most likely be a Kiffin devotee for years, I will forever be a raider fan, but I hope al dies and I will root for whatever team Kiffin joins.. High School, college, or NFL..
LMN – You are a disgrace. I would be appauled if you were a Raider fan.
You should to learn to respect what you can’t understand.
LONG LIVE AL!!!
Just Win Baby.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
this letter is so bush league………..including the typo’s………AL this was your hand picked coach….that was the next savior of the franchise……….again…….when are you going to write yourself a letter…………………..we are going to burn in raider hell for this one………………………the worst is yet to come………….I like cable but he sounded like fukan PALIN……………
September 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“FIRE KIFFIN Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
No, Dynomite.
Cable is a man.
I fully expect him to win coach of the year and lead the Raiders back to the playoffs.
Just Win Baby.”
You’re delusional. We’ll be lucky to win 4 games this year.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
ShawnRaider,
Accepting responsibility would be speaking about being stupid enough to hire Tom Walsh. Hiring Shell and Walsh destroyed his credibility. This situation just verifies senility.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Re-post
Prediction: Kiffin’s press conference tomorrow will not be a real blockbuster…
…it will probably have a lot of “I don’t really wanna go into that,” and, “I have lawyers for that,” and, “It is what it is” kind of talk. Similar to what he told Trey Wingo.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
sukk a dik all you haters
September 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
“Florida Pete in disguise Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
the letter is real…
the letter indicated that it was delivered via Fedex…
the reason it was delivered via fedex is to document the delivery date…”
Which just shows that Al is more intersted in covering his ass than he is in helping his head coach succeed.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I just hope we beat N.O. and all the Raiders gather at mid-field at give Al the finger.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
the typos in the letter are mcdonald’s…
dumbass…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Plunkett=MR
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Let’s move on…the deed is finally done. Al got his revenge and he gave up the 2008 season to do it.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
yeah long live al, long live another ten years of 4-12 seasons.. this will be great, at least I have nothing that can disappoint me anymore.. well get a .500 record the year after al has gone..
look al without caps, thats how little I think of the man..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
The letter is dated September 12th. When was the letter delivered and by whom?
The letter is said to be evidence of communication between Lane and Al. It is written communication. Lane has said there has been no verbal communication. There is a difference. Do we really believe Al and Lane were in constant verbal communication?
HCs do make negative comments about players, sometimes coached in gentle language and sometimes not. Is this a cause for firing?
Al says the contract says Al has the right to do whatever he wants. Fair… However, HC does have the right to advise or disagree with final decisions. Were they all supported by Lane? Questionable and not provable since private conversation. That is not insubordination.
Al said Lane could tell Rob to have defense blitz. Question, could Rob ignore coach? Not really answered.
Lane had ability to provide input at meetings. This is not the same as the ability to make final decisions among his coaching staff. The statement seems to indicate Lane did not.
Lane made some poor football coaching decisions late in games or at half-time. So do a lot of coaches. It can be grounds for firing, but not insubordination.
Al says Lane was involved in most decisions including salary. What does this mean? I doubt it meant he had final decision. He made his recommendations and may disagree but Al made the final decisions.
We are now in a Al said and Lane said situation. I have no doubt each has grievances. Al should have kept this inside the organization–he only provides evidence for Lane and since it was so harsh, Lane can fire back to protect himself. He might not..He might take the high road with a few statements to say, I did not lie, etc…, but a great group and we would have improved.
Lane is losing money, but to him it may be worth it to get out of this situation. His contract was for two years and a option. The option really does not count in the financial loss. Thus, he only loses the months to the two years is up.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Plunkett Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Raiderhogg, stay on topic. No one cares.
……………………………………………….
Plunkett, I got rid of that troll. No need to waste your time getting caught up with a craven.
Lets talk Raiders now
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Guys you can’t post a letter in a public hearing and say this was personally delivered by Fed Ex, and have it not be true. Come on. Now, I will hold my opinions on this until Kiffin responds, but there is absolutely nothing that Davis said that doesn’t have some semblance of truth.
1) Kiff wanted Monte as DC
2) Kiff traded Moss for nothing
3) Kiff did want these players
4) Kiff thought he couldn’t win
5) Kiff wanted the Arkansas job
6) Davis drafted a resignation letter as long as Kiff finished out the year. Scumbag Petrino ran for the Arkansas job lst.
When you consider all these things, now all of a sudden a lot of things that have happened in the league make sense.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
The fact that Kiffin wanted to take the Arkansas job is a sure sign that he could not deal with Davis and his meddling.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Who is MR? I am not mentally retarded.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
# HayesDaze#37 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Re-post
Prediction: Kiffin’s press conference tomorrow will not be a real blockbuster…
…it will probably have a lot of “I don’t really wanna go into that,” and, “I have lawyers for that,” and, “It is what it is” kind of talk. Similar to what he told Trey Wingo.
___________________________________________________
of course, he has future jobs to fight for, without mentioning the 3mill al still owes him..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
The soft zones are partially a result of injuries and fatigue. Not having Warren, Burgess, Asomugha or Routt for stretches of the 2nd half necessitates adjustments. Kiffin does deserve the blame for poor clock management and strategy. Obviously, his team and winning weren’t his only focus.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
TrevJo Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
“Florida Pete in disguise Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
the letter is real…
the letter indicated that it was delivered via Fedex…
the reason it was delivered via fedex is to document the delivery date…”
Which just shows that Al is more intersted in covering his ass than he is in helping his head coach succeed.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
no… it is a formal warning… a documented warning…
something an employee better pay attention to…
we have a little file with letters just like that one in my office…
if i get one too many… you’re fired…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Liked Lane alot but the Arkansas job really makes me mad.
If he did not want to be here good ridance, move on, get over it.
I want someone who wants to coach this team, not looking for there next college dream job.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
That Letter sounded a little like Tard Boy, by trying to put Javon Walker and D Hall in between him and Kiffin
September 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Raiderstud, Al is an old man, so the typos are excused, a lot of people his age can’t type at all, and why would someone his age want to use spell check?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Here you go guys, a 7 minute video on espn – lane kiffin has already responded – he said he was embarrassed for davis, said davis was the liar, and basically refuted everything generally, calling it painful to stomach.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportscenter/index
I’ll be interested to see what lane says in his press conference tomorrow -
September 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
yeah and you can probably see alaska from florida too deekweed………..what AL did today was basically give us another sub – 500 season………….period
September 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Plunkett Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
“Who is MR? I am not mentally retarded.”
I can just hear you saying that in your special “retard” voice! hahahahahahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Those of you who were “persuaded” by Al’s presentation or by the “evidence” in the letter are the reason why our jury system is scarey and why our democracy is in so much danger. Forget the fact that you’re shallow unthinking, uncritical kool aid drinking fans. Either use your brains or just confess to the lobotomies.
christ!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
wow, what a press conference. Al was making his case for the Raider nation: not for Kiffin, goodell, the nfl, or any court of law. Al knew that many in the nation really liked Lane and were pissed about this whole situation. Al has used up his last bit of capital with that press cnference: he knows it to that is why he didn’t hold any punches. Al might have just flushed his case with Kiffin down the toilet: which i am fine with, but he also just did major damage control and basically made a plea to the nation to give him time to figure it out. I have been on Kiffin’s side, but Al made one hjell of an aurgument against kiffin and painted a very nasty picture of kiffin being a proffesional liar and conceivably trying to throw games. If it is true he spoke to Al, after the bills game and he told the press the next morning he has not spoken to al davis before the denver game, he is a liar: which tells me i have to question his integrity. I know Al wants to win before the reaper collects his @$$.
There has always been something about that arkansas job that just did not fit You knew someone was lying and i guess it was kiffin.
I am a season ticket holder, and i swore i would not buy anymore tickets if kiffin got fired. either way it is still embarrassing to be a raider fan, and i don’t know about re upping my tix, but i have to say the crypt keeper made one hell of an argument that will be talked about in great depth for the coming future. Only in the Raider nation does this happen: any other sport or team i would have lost interest in years ago.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Alchemist, in the press conference Davis said he and Kiffin talked in the airport on the way home from the Buffalo game, in front of Brad Rolle, one of the defensive assistants and a couple employees. Davis asked him where he put the timeouts at the end of the game?? In his suit jacket?? Davis then asked the reporter when Kiffin said he last talked to DAvis. “Before the Denver game.” Yeah, he said it twice. It’s hard to believe that independent reporters would be in on some scam to discredit Kiffin.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
One last thing faidermutt. The reason people think white people are weak and lazy spoiled brats is because, people like you who wait for inheritances and brag about it. You sorry little weezle. You and the sellout foolkell.
Go away loosers, you have been defeated once again.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Now, MR — Being the master spinner you are, I noticed you’ve already tried to shift attention away from all of your WRONG ASSumptions (i.e., Al calls the defense, Al calls the offense, Al does all the hiring/firing of players and coaches, etc.).
MR — Keep calling people names, keep flaming other people just for their opinions, while trying to make yourself look like a hero. Everybody knows your opinions shift with every little shred of info that comes out. Pointing out when you’re right — but conveniently leaving out how often you’re wrong — just continues your record of a lack of credibility.
Keep hammering on KK, though…it’s pretty funny watching one guy with little to say prod another guy with little to say. Never know what we’ll get, but it’s usually funny.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
The entire Shell/Walsh fiasco is what really tore the Raiders apart and set us back. After that dumb and dumber combo we wanted someone to believe in. Kiffin seemed like a breath of fresh air after Shell/Walsh, because the bar as so low after those two. We are still paying for Al’s decision to hire Shell again.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Al Davis the the REAL cancer….
September 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
“Alchemist Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
The letter is dated September 12th. When was the letter delivered and by whom?
The letter is said to be evidence of communication between Lane and Al. It is written communication. Lane has said there has been no verbal communication. There is a difference. Do we really believe Al and Lane were in constant verbal communication?”
I agree. This seemed like an obvious point to me, but most people here seem to be missing it.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Now we need a fire John Herrera web site like the keep Kiffin one, need that idiot out of here.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Lane Kiffin seemed immature, in over his head, smarmy, uninformed, difficult to deal with, and sulked when he didn’t get his way. He is not leadership material.
Signed,
Sarah Palin
September 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
i hope im on the jury of the civil suit cause lane wil get paid al is such a scum bag egomaniac its funny how he tries to put all the blame on kiffin.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Kiffin wanted Hall and Walker and wanted to pay them all that money…..SUUUUUUUUURE…Yeah right Al…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
TrevJo:
Davis said he talked to Kiffin in buffalo about the timeouts too……
September 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I think the typos are Jerry’s…he transcribed the letter…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
TODAY DAVIS SHOWED JUST HOW CLASSLESS HE REALLY IS. THE “FUNNY THING” IS HE ACTUALLY THINKS THIS -HELPED- HIS CASE. HE LOOKED LIKE A BITTER HEARTLESS OLD MAN. I PITY HIS DEHYDRATED SOUL. HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF (BUT IM SURE HE ISNT). DAVIS’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS HES 79. THE WAY HE CONDUCTED HIMSELF TODAY I THINK HIS TRUE AGE IS 9. TODAY THE PLANET WITNESSED AN IMMATURE SHRIVELED UP HUMAN BEING.
DAVIS YOU ARE A VINDICTIVE, SAD SACK OF USELESS PROTOPLASM.
SORRY LANE, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY DIDNT DESERVE ANY OF THIS TODAY.
RAIDER NATION WISHES YOU THE BEST.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
All i can say is WOW. I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Kiffin was a little whiny bi+ch who didn’t know what the hell he was doing except trying to fu*k Raider Nation. Al did not sound like some nut at all. He showed time and time again how Lane tried to mess with him. Tom Cable to me looks and acts like the real deal. A big, strong former player who will expect his players to go balls out. To be quite honest and contrary to public opinion I think this is a great day for Raider Nation. Everyone on the same page. Not saying we going to the playoffs, but at least all the Kiff sh*t is over and behind us. Now go kick some freakin aZz.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
This is something that happened and it’s over with except for the legal part that’s no ones business except for Kiffen and Al’s legal team. But the question is this, are you a Raiders fan who’s going to climb on board and continue supporting the Raiders or are you going to cry over spilled Milk?
September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Again, lst off, Kiffin said there has been NO COMMUNICATION, between he and Al DAvis. Not verbal. Not Written. If that letter is a fake, Davis is in serious trouble. But Davis hasn’t won trillions of dollars in lawsuits faking documents. 2ndly, CLEARLY, there was all kinds of communication. Kiffin said Davis communicates with Ryan, not him. Clearly he needed to go.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Listening to Al’s earlier brief. “I just couldn’t go on much longer with the uh, what I would call, propaganda, the lying, that had been going on for weeks. And months, and a year, and time.” Wow, that sure is quite a lengthy period, whichever one it is. LOL
September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
In light of everything…Welcome Tom Cable. You’ve been a good line coach and seem like a stand up guy. Don’t let Al ruin you.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
l0rd al’s scrotal:
Don’t sign for all Raidernation if Kiffin wanted that Arkansas job in year one than he was never a Raider. Maybe you should be in a Razorbacks blog and take a hike.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
OakGlenn come one dude. Of everyone one here I thought you would be objective bout thangs.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Hayes Daze is exactly right. The biggest loser in all of this funny enough isn’t Lane Kiffin. It’s MR.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Wishbone, I said in one of my posts above, I will withold judgement until Kiffin has said his peace. he gets his day in court with me. But basically EVERYTHING Davis said, I had already suspected and posted on this site over the last few months.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Damn Al, use spellcheck every once in awhile, or hire a proofreader…perhaps Javon Walker can do it.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Dickota Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“One last thing faidermutt. The reason people think white people are weak and lazy spoiled brats is because, people like you who wait for inheritances and brag about it. You sorry little weezle. You and the sellout foolkell.
Go away loosers, you have been defeated once again.”
KoolKell hates Raidermutt you fool!
September 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Art Shell & Al Davis were on the same page as well.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
I have been refraining from posting this out but now is the time.
YOu may or may not believe the story that is up to you but it is true. I give my word.
A couple of weeks ago I was lucky enough to make the trip to Kansas City and even luckier to stay at the Raiders hotel (a coincidence).
After going out on the town I went back to the hotel bar where I met with a player’s parents. We got to talking about their son and then Kiffin. Their account was the same as Al’s and they stated despite my perception that Al was meddling again, they said that the players were on al’s side with only a few exceptions.
I didn’t let that change my perception of what was happening and my disdain for being in turmoil yet again. But with Al’s story being the exact same as the player’s parents, it makes me think that there was more going on than I knew and was inspired to sign some keep kiffin thing.
I am with al that we will be better and this process is hard, but maybe Kiffin wasn’t so clean in all this.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Oakglenn has been right on, Kiffin is not the perfect one in all of this, I don’t think we are siding with Davis either he has screwed things up.
I have to ask what has Kiffin done to get this love fest from raider fans? he wanted another Job in Arkansas in year one, and would have run Like Bobby Patrino…..
September 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
davis is the scumbag-have the balls to fire the man face to face.i don’t have a problem with Kiffin getting fired,it’s the way he did it.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Bottom line, Kiffin’s ego killed hilself. Why he wanted the college HC job in the middle of the season? If he just hang around and showed his desire to stay, he will gain his power gradually. Look at how Pittsburg head coach doing. He did not get his power to hire any assistant after Cower left. He just shuts up and tries to win the game. You earn repespect from performance and not from big mouth.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
KEEP DRINKIN TEH KOOL AID SHAWN. HOPE IT TASTES GOOD. AL SASY IT DOES SO IM SURE ITS DELICIOUS….(FOOL)
=====
# ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
l0rd al’s scrotal:
Don’t sign for all Raidernation if Kiffin wanted that Arkansas job in year one than he was never a Raider. Maybe you should be in a Razorbacks blog and take a hike.
September 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Wow – Either Al is telling the truth, or Kiffin is. There is no middle ground here. I like Kiff, and I think he has potential as a coach, but he was clearly not ready for this job:
1) poor clock / game management;
2) unwillingness to take responsiblity or blame;
3) overly conservative play calling;
4) immature handling of difficult situations.
On the other hand, I think he could have grown into it if given a chance to control all the aspects a head coach at any other franchise has control over. I really do think he was turning things around, but now we start over…again…
September 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I thought the troll cried and disappeared. I was wrong. It’s still here.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
re post156-wrong!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I’m black you fukkin idiot! A very rich black man that earned and worked his way to the top. You know what they say, the Rich getting Richer. Sucks to be you sucka!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
How come Kiffin has never really praised JaMarcus and said how much he wanted him here and all that? No wonder JaMarcus has been held back. Phil Simms called JaMarcus “legendary”, yet Kiffin throw three times in the second half against Buffalo. Anyone ever hear JaMarcus come out and support Kiff? I haven’t. How in the hell is JaMarcus suppose to prove himself with a head coach who never wanted him in the first place?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Rain, you bring up a good point. Did this team go from 2-14 to 14-2 under Kiffin?? Did the one job he was hired to do, get the O running happen?? I liked Lane, but if he didn’t want Jamarcus Russell and didn’t have confidence in him, which clearly he didn’t, he needs to go RIGHT NOW.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Lefty12, this is 2008, not too many people are fired face to face. I would rather be fired by phone, that way I won’t have to be arrested for choking the phone.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Compete and flirt with contention this season, playoffs and beyond next. Bank on it.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
faidermutt, excusssssssssse me weak black man. You are running to Oregon since it’s cheap to live there. You would get a bigger house in Cali if you could. Liar
Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
September 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Just one thing before making a clear comment :
SCREW YOU DAVIS !!!
*feel better*
September 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
#160 Fool. Nobody speaks for KoolKell, BUT KoolKell
September 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
“Wishbone Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
How come Kiffin has never really praised JaMarcus and said how much he wanted him here and all that? No wonder JaMarcus has been held back. Phil Simms called JaMarcus “legendary”, ”
Dude, get it straight, calling his ARM STRENGTH legendary is not nearly the same as calling the player legendary. It takes a hell of a lot more than a good arm to be a good QB.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Exactly Wishbone. Phil Simms said, watching this guy on TV does NOT DO HIM JUSTICE. Phil is exactly right. I have posted on this site soooo many times, how I watched Elway develop early in his career and I have gone on record saying Jamarcus eerily reminds me of John Elway. Except Jamarcus is more POLISHED than Elway was coming out. How you couldn’t have wanted this guy and how you couldn’t have tried to utilize his talents, well, I guess NOW WE ALL KNOW.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Just as I said before about the mismanaged end of the first half. Kiffin had no faith in JaMarcus and basically just wanted him to think he couldn’t get it done. That is BS to do to you QB. Same thing for the 4th quarter in Buffalo. I think Kiffin wanted to try to prove to Al he was wrong about drafting JaMarcus by doing that sh*t. Good fu*king riddance Kiffin you little bi*ch. At very least Cable looks and sound like an NFL head coach. Kiffin not only manipulated all of us but the media too. Not saying Al shouldn’t back off and go away, but glad to know Kiffin was really the problem.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Same thing but a nice write up at the end.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
Kiffin had waaaay more freedom than alot of people thought.
IF the letter can be believed. It seems like something Al would do. He’s pretty law and business savvy you know…
September 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
To those of you crying how Kiffin deserved to hear his fate face to face, not on the phone. I think he forfeited that courtesy when he started lying and leaking. You want to be treated like a man, then behave like one.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Kiffin was right to pullthe brakes on J Marc. came out a Junior and most people say ti takes YEARS for a QB to learn a west coast style offense. Russell has looked streaky with his mechanics and has NO pocket pressence.
With our **** takcles, he simply didn’t seem ready to be “unleashed”.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
The Gallup poll is tilting toward Al big time
September 30th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
TrevJo—Simms wasn’t talking bout just arm strength. You ever watch any of JaMarcus’ games at LSU or high school?? Dude made Elway look like Steve Bono. JaMarcus will be a Super Bowl QB, but he needs a head coach who will support him and believe in him not some punk who wouldn’t have drafted him. Fu*k Kiffin for the simple fact that he never wanted JaMarcus.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?pollId=61107
September 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Not ready hell, this is the NFL, put him in coach!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
before firing an employee, we document them…
we bring them in… talk to them…
present them with a document outlining our objections and get them to sign it…
failure to sign is grounds for termination…
Davis has a receipt for the delivery of that letter…
as an employer, i can tell you that the potential for a lawsuit demands documentation…
Davis has the goods…
take a hike kiffie… oh, and quit hiding behind your family in order to get sympathy…
man up…
September 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
yo Brien,what up ,im glad sh-t is over,see what a guy that WANTS to be here can do.Might have to switch to CABLE,see after 3 straight wins,silver/black
September 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Who gives a damn about the results of some espn poll? Is that supposed to mean something? You really are an idiot sometimes.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
YOU ARE ALL HOPELESS LEMMINGS.
AL IS A CLASSIC MANIPULATOR/CONTROL FREAK.
CASTRO HAD NOTHING ON GOOD ‘OLE AL….
September 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Anybody else wants Big Brien The Champ to expose their pathetic life?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
LOL.. smart guy, it should make you wonder though..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
This letter seems to be pretty damning evidence against the ole Kiffster.
Its like he went.”Whats that? My foot? SHOOT IT!”
September 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Hey, Davis has one of the best Legal teams in the Country, and if you don’t believe me, just ask Mike Shanahan.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Fraud boy, you are insane.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Wishbone I posted in here 2 weeks ago why I thought Shanarat went for two on the final play in their game against San Diego. What I posted was Cutler had made two of the most boneheaded plays in NFL history right before they scored the “gift” TD Ed Hochuli gave them. My reasoning was Shanahan was sending a message to his team, and the fans that he believed in all of them but in particular Cutler. YOU NEVER ONCE EVER HEARD THAT FROM KIFFIN. Kiffin never said that about any of his players and certainly not Jamarcus. All you EVER heard was how none of them could get anything done.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Bottom line. If Al didn’t have proof of Kiffin and his BS he wouldn’t put it in front of the media and he wouldn’t let it go to Goodall if he thought there was a chance he could lose. Today was actually a good day for Raider Nation because the little bi*ch Kiffin is gone and now everyone is on the same page. Cable looks, acts and talks like an NFL head coach. JaMarcus I will be is a happier guy cuz now he doesn’t have to deal with some punk who never wanted to draft him.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
If Al is all about winning as he claims to be, he should have said he fired Kiffin based on his failure to win (25% winning percentage) football games. Instead he said he fired him because he was a liar and misled the media. He said he would have fired him even if the Raiders were 3-1. Whatever happened to “Just win, Baby?” Basically he used the press conference not so much to explain why he fired Kiffin as to explain why he wasn’t going to pay him. After all the money he spent on players in a futile effort to turn the team into a winner, whats another couple million in payoff money to a fired coach? Al came off an an embittered cheapazz baztard who can’t let go of the past; still angry about trading Randy Moss for a 4th round draft pick. He reminded me of Humphrey Bogart as the nerotic Captain Queeg in The Caine Mutiny. The only difference was that Al didn’t bring up the “stolen” strawberries.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
“Wishbone Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
TrevJo—Simms wasn’t talking bout just arm strength. You ever watch any of JaMarcus’ games at LSU or high school?? Dude made Elway look like Steve Bono.”
Yeah I watched him. He played with an awesome surrounding cast and was a good college quarterback. Your comment that he made Elway look Bono is absolutely ridiculous. He wasn’t even expected to be an early 1st round pick until they annihilated an overrated Notre Dame defense with a horrible defense on national TV.
It’s really disingenuous of you to sit there talking about all the praise Simms gave Russell’s arm and not mention that the broadcasters made it very clear that his accuracy has been a problem. I don’t want to sit here and bash Jamarcus but at the same time it does not make sense to be sitting there comparing him favorably to John Elway.
It’s also a mistake to make it out as though Kiffin’s offensive philosophy was all about Russell. We had horrible pass-blocking offensive linemen and a pathetic receiving corps. It would have made no sense to go out there and expect such a young an inexperienced QB to carry those guys.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
If the letter is true, Kiffin should go to Vegas. He has the poker face. I’m beginning to have second thoughts why the Raiders played poorly in the 2nd halves; especially the 4th quarters. I don’t believe the Raiders can’t close if they wanted to. It’s messing up my brain!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Leaving out Kiffin’s pouty high school personality, and the contract squabble that’s just beginning…
Kiffin built a solid foundation under JaMarcus. Then, for whatever reason, failed to pull the trigger with the kid — willing to take the bad with the considerable good.
I absolutely do not think Kiffin lost games on purpose. But, I absolutely know that the one way Kiffin could get out of here (besides insubordination) sooner rather than later, was by losing games without putting up a fight.
Kiffin needed to go, and now it’s time for an ENERGETIC adult coach take charge of this team. And, AL came right out and made that a mandate from the very start…
Cable needs to make the entire team appreciate him the way the O-line does, and I think he can do it. A great move by Al — and it gives Cable an opportunity to look good, no matter what his record is, as long as the team responds. Hopefully, his charisma and knowledge will win the team over. No matter what, I don’t think they’ll quit on him, or any other coach in the building.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Oakglenn you are wise. Within 3 years not only is JaMarcus in the Pro Bowl, but Super Bowl MVP. Book it.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
One thing that i can point out is that Deangelo Hall stated in an interview before the season that Kiffin played a major role in him coming here.Secondly, we realize that if Al Davis is lying about any of this he is in for a major slander lawsuit. If that were to happen it would most defenitely prompt Goodell to step in and do something about Al because at that point it would be damaging to the league and the integrity of the game to have a slanderous owner. i highly doubt that Al Davis would risk his franchise and his legacy to make Lane Kiffin look bad, Lane’s playcalling and media dealings had already taken care of that.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
thank you mr.davis for showing kiffins 2 faced side.why didnt he call that time out ? cause he is either a ahole or stupid! he has hated on jruss and keeped his hands tied. free up the offense and keep playing up on the wr and going after the qb for 4quarters and we will win..al is the raiders f the haters..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Raiderbaitor if he would have said that, he would be on the hook for the $3.5mm he still owes Kiffin. Al is a crafty old bird. Al figures he can pay $500,000 in legal fees, setttle with Kiff for a mill, and still be $2mm ahead.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Book it Wishbone.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
“Raiderbaitor Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
If Al is all about winning as he claims to be, he should have said he fired Kiffin based on his failure to win (25% winning percentage) football games. Instead he said he fired him because he was a liar and misled the media.”
Well said. It’s ridiculous. And this is all by design by Al from (at least) 6 months ago. Kiffin wouldn’t resign so Al started this careful campaign to undermine Kiffin and put things in a position where he could try to pull this “with cause” crap to save himself a few million.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
So Al allowed a 30 year old to spend his money like a drunken sailor on shore leave? I never knew Kiffin was authorized to negociate contracts also. But I thought all the signings were negociated while Kiffin was in the penalty box and not allowed to play with others?
Al must have demensia. Kiffin’s response to Al on these issues was probably,”Sure Al whatever you want”.
Is it just me or does a letter actually cound as talking to someone?
Al obviously has “AL-timers”.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
In the end, I guess I’m glad Kiffin is gone. He was just waaay to conservative. Maybe he can be reunited with Josh McCown down the line.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Wishbone I posted in here 2 weeks ago why I thought Shanarat went for two on the final play in their game against San Diego. What I posted was Cutler had made two of the most boneheaded plays in NFL history right before they scored the “gift” TD Ed Hochuli gave them. My reasoning was Shanahan was sending a message to his team, and the fans that he believed in all of them but in particular Cutler. YOU NEVER ONCE EVER HEARD THAT FROM KIFFIN. Kiffin never said that about any of his players and certainly not Jamarcus. All you EVER heard was how none of them could get anything done.
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take a step back and see what you just puked up.. So you say Cutler a VET is like Jammy.. well Jammy is the closest you can to be a rookie.. Cutler is the best qb in AFC West.. even Rivers is better than Jammy right now (just not last game lol) lets say we are 3 years from now an Kiffin was HC, I bet he would take a lot more chances with Jammy.. but it seems to me you are forgetting how he plays, and just think of how he will play some day.. sorry the game doesn’t play that way, cant just skip some steps.. I bet Kiffin would have use Jammy a lot different by the end of the year than week 1.. now we will never see though.. but your comparison is ludicrous..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Hearing of the firing brought a sense of relief to me as though I had just taken a ginormous year long dump. I hope it wasn’t in my pants though just to spite myself. I just want to see the drama come to an end and win some ball games.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
I win, I win, I win, I win. I’m King of this blog, I win, I win, I win.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
“671raider Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
I don’t believe the Raiders can’t close if they wanted to. It’s messing up my brain!!!”
Why don’t you believe it? They haven’t been able to close games since the days of Rich Gannon and Rod Woodson. By the way, the common denominator since then isn’t Kiffin, it’s Ryan.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Al showed that he cares more about saving money by not paying his coaches than winning football games. Tom Cable is the new Raider interim lame duck coach. Good luck Tom! Who will be the coach next year? Who would want the job after Davis has shown that after he fires you, he will try to screw you too?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
As Florida Pete wrote, “man up”, something the Kid would not do. Welcome Tom Cable and all success!
And how many of you feel foolish with your “woe is Kiffin” crap. Al knows that everything he said and everything Kid Kiffie did and said is documented and unassailable in law or he would not have presented it. You haters never understood, to be a man, Gruden was, means to hash it out with Al, not to whine about what wasn’t undr your Xmas tree.
All good.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
In the end, I guess I’m glad Kiffin is gone. He was just waaay to conservative.”
Good point, we were much better off with Tom Walsh calling 7-step drops every play.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
HappyDaze #37
Great comment post #202, I was wondering if you like the line by Davis complaining about only three passes in the Buffalo game, and then remarking about the “WOODY HAYES football” run only concept, to me that was funny.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Brien,
Get a life you pathetic loser, jeeeezus h christ. get a life.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Trevjo,i was against the J-rock pick and would still much rather have had “the Prototype” with the 1st pick and Trent Edwards in the 3rd. I was pulling for us to draft CJ first overall and take either Stanton or Edwards but alas we selected Jamarcus. That being said, i read in several publications that Jamarcus was the most talented QB in the draft but was also not near Quinn in polish. He was also rated above Brohm if he were to have come out that year. The ND got him recognition but him havng the best workout for a QB in history cemented his status.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Raiderbaitor, if Al was required by law to pay Kiffen the money, that’s one thing, but for you to say that he spent all this money on players so what’s a a few million to pay off a fired Coach is ridiculous, would you actually give someone money if you weren’t required by law to do so? If your answer is yes then please hand your money over to the person nearest to you.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Raiderbaitor if he would have said that, he would be on the hook for the $3.5mm he still owes Kiffin. Al is a crafty old bird. Al figures he can pay $500,000 in legal fees, setttle with Kiff for a mill, and still be $2mm ahead.
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yeah he is crafty alright.. he’ll set back the team a year for sorry 2mm but he has no problem wasting 16 mm on Yvonne walker and all the rest he wasted on hall?? logig will never be al’s strongsuit
Funny how you all find ways to defend his missteps!?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
TrevJo, I don’t know why you are talking to that sellout black boy.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
How can some of you guys think that Davis is lying about ALL this stuff? The guy has a dated letter proving that Kiffin wasn’t truthful about communicating with him. I am not the biggest Al Davis fan and I am sure Kiffin will share his side of the story tomorrow to clarify a few things. In the end, the blame is probably somewhere in the middle.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
ROD WOODSON FOR COACH!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Brien the champ..
have you ever won anything??
September 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
LMN, once again you miss the point. But, you have to have some intelligence to get my point. My point was about Shanahan believing in his players. It makes no difference if they are vets or rookies. He feels the same way about Eddie Royal. Shanahan believed in Cutler right away and Cutler has done some REAL DUMB STUFF ON A FIELD. About The other thing TrevJo was saying my comment is this: without looking it up, name one player on that 1984 rookie Bunco team Elway took to the playoffs. They didn’t have anyone. Elway put that team on his shoulders. But Reeves believed in him. Name one player Kiff came out and supported. ONE. Even players he lobbied to have signed he turned coat on.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
HayesDaze37,
enjoyed post 202 very much. Good to read your input.
Too many whiners hereabouts who always thought that Kid Kiff was somebody he only pretended to be. Perhaps it is a generational thing. Rebel and be ultra-conservative at the same time.
Up with Cable. A wise choice as he is the man distinctly responsible for the turnaround in offensive competiveness.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
COACH ELKINS U CALLED IT! WHERE HAVE U BEEN?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
“This letter constitutes notice that if you further violate any term of your contract, in any manner whatsoever, you will be terminated for cause.”
So what did term if Kiffin’s contract did he violate since the KC game? Does anyone know?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
188 … Exactly right. Waaaah, my poor wife. Are you kidding me? You are a head coach in the National Football League and you just flushed it away. What a douche. (Oh, and your wife is daughter of a coach, who married the son of a coach, she gets it. She knows what she signed up for.) Unreal.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Cable is garbage. Awful HC at Idaho.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Everybody needs to step away and think bout things. I have admitted my mistakes about Kiffin. This punk was a spoon fed white ***** (won’t go there). Al documented all of his leaks to the press and whinings about not wanting JaMarcus. You think Al is gonna come forward with all this and it ain’t for real??? Al may be old, but he got lawyers up his you know what. Bottom line is Kiffin has proven to be a bi*ch leaker to Kawakami and the media and now proven he wanted no part of JaMarcus. How would you feel right now if you JaMarcus??? I’d feel like finally I’m free and can show what I can do. Fu*k Kiffin and now lets turn JaMarcus and the boys loose.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
What the hell. A loser from europe who was slaughtered by Dakota a number of times,for talking about the USA in a negative manner, wants to battle me. I’m going to give you one chance to repent. Since, you’re young and immature like Kifin.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Wishbone….you da man!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
“I don’t want to win in the media, I want to win on the field. Now, let me blow up this letter on the wall and air out all of my dirty laundry so that all of you media folk can see it clearly.”
oh brother….
September 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Oakglenn..
Kiffin, mention, Nnamdi as one of the best CB’s in the league, he said Kirk was the leader of the D, He said Griffith was of tremendous importance especially in the locker room, he even said he believe Sands would have a good season, if healthy…
He said he always and still do after he is fired, that this team is good and it is about to be great..
then answer me, name ONE player Kiffin called out in the press that didn’t deserve it? nah didn’t think so..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
but it seems to me you are forgetting how he plays, and just think of how he will play some day..
How do we know how he can play if he has been getting handcuffed this whole time. If the reports are true and Knapp called the plays for the SD game for the 1st time this season, Jamarcus is much more prepared than you give him credit for. 22-37 for 277 yards a TD and a fluke Int is a pretty good stat line for a supposed rookie.
Lately your post have lacked the usual intelligence and football knowledge that you are known and respected for. Its as if you will support Kiffin to a fault and are willing to compromise your own reputation to do so. Not trying to bash you or anything like that just makin an observation, i hope that you take it in stride and see it for what it is.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
its so hilarious how these kiffin backers even with this letter is still making excuses. It sounds just like the excuses McShame is making for Palin.
Al and his goons fedex’d to him. That way he has a tracking mechanism (thats Human Resource 101) and yet Kiff went on tv to blab blab about how he never hears from Al. The kid wanted no part of the Raiders and yet go around saying I’m In. BS. And you call yourself Raider Fans. The kid couldnt careless about the players and the Raiders. He wanted to go to Arkansas.
Yet you kiffin backers are still making excuses and spins.
Gotta give props to Oakglen for taking the heat. Good job bro.
AL IS GOD…..THE MAN IS A MOB BOSS. REASONS WHY I LIKE HIM EVEN MORE THAN EVER.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
LMN, and I have written this all year. If this team was 4-0 right now, I’d be outraged. This team is 1-3. It’s 5-15 since Kiffin took over. Throw out the lame Shell II regime and Kiffin has actually a worse winning percentage post Super Bowl. Does that look like a 5-15 team to you??? It doesn’t to me.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
How would you feel if you were Walker or Hall? Not wanted by your own team? Didn’t Al bring back Walker when he was ready to retire? Wasn’t Rob Ryan defending Hall?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Nnamdi is a well spoken bright individual…he is out of here as soon as he can shrug off that tag. 5 coaches in 6 years….gotta be a record.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
Plunkett—JP might be one of the best Raiders of all time so might wanna use the name wisely. You ever see an Idaho game? No defense, no recruiting, no hope of getting any decent players. Oh but wait a minute. Cable and ATL was number one rushing offense in the NFL and turn ours around quickly. As I said before, he looks, acts and talks like an NFL head coach. Cable HC = JaMarcus will get to show why he was first pick. Mark my works guys JaMarcus will be the next superstar of the NFL (that is if the NFL will accept him)
September 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Ryan,
If that letter is dated after the Denver game the Kiffin violated the terms of the letter, according to Al, when he said he didn’t talk to Al when he spoke to him, according to Al, prior to the Buffalo game.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
LMN – Give it up.
Kiffin is a loser and so are you.
Deal with it.
Just Win Baby.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Yeah, Al certainly thre Walker and Hall under the bus…but at least he gave them $$$$$$$ before he did it.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Moertwnsen was trying to say that he got the letter from a raiders exec…hmmm…Kiffin? ofcourse
September 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
LMN
You change a position to suit your comments too much lately.
This morning responding to M you stated Hall, Walker and Kelly were a bust, just after 4 games, and you decided after a retort from M to drop the subject.
Now in post #211 you respond to OakGlenn with this last sentence:
I bet Kiffin would have use Jammy a lot different by the end of the year than week 1.. now we will never see though.. but your comparison is ludicrous..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So let me get this straight Kelly, Walker and Hall are busts after 4 games but Jamarcus after 4 games will be better later in the year.
Wow you just stepped into it big time, how can you give one player more time to improve than others on the roster.
LMN, think before you write, please.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Brien… gahaha, i’m immature??
LOL, just look at every other post from you, I would cry myself to sleep if I ever wrote anything like that..
btw, have you found out what ’strong side’ means??
and fyi, Dakota and I are fine, don’t bother stir anything up, its just a thing we do when we are bored i guess..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
LMN, sounds like exactly what Kiff would say because he didn’t say it to them he said it for himself. He NEEDED those guys. Nnamdi, Capt Kirk are the leaders of the defense, Griffith was his guy, and for that one comment you brought up about Sands I could post twenty saying the guy should be cut. And Sands has been excellent the last two weeks.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
What’s your take on this Dell??
September 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
OakGlenn
What part?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I agree with what you said. My first thoughts about the Buffalo game was Kiffen threw the game and his play calling is more high school than nfl. but hey, there are so many Davis haters. Why? because he never speaks then when he does because of his age he is senile etc. None of us will never know the truth because we will chose to believe what we want to. I just get the feeling what Davis was airing out was more truth than fiction. Kiffin was here for a year, wanted out to take the Arkansas job and that is when I lost respect for the guy. I mean it could have been us instead of Atlanta but some just dont view it that way. Kiffin was a young child working in a mans job, and as expected he got beat down.
# Lame Sniffin Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Kool Kell,
Did you watch the press conference or read a full transcript? Al Davis accepted blame for this mess and also owned up to not admitting his error. So no, he didn’t shift the blame entirely on Kiffin.
Everyone wants him to speak and when he does everyone accuses him of lying and being a tyrant. Kiffin is made out to be some kind of hero after leaking to the press and selling our team short and not giving them the best chance to win.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Let’s see what Cable can do with the offense. I got a feeling he’s going to run Bush alot more than DMC. DMC is injured. It shows in the game. I see more running plays and slants/swing passes ton the WRs or DMC. Nothing long but short and medium to the speedy Lelie and Walker getting them in the game early. Cable has HC experience regardless if it’s college. The letter shock me! I hope Al Davis didn’t fabricate it. LOL
September 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
“Oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
LMN, and I have written this all year. If this team was 4-0 right now, I’d be outraged.”
Wow, that’s a pretty big if, don’t you think? Considering the team averaged 3.75 wins PER YEAR in the four years prior to Kiffin’s arrival.
Let’s see… propaganda, coach and owner having problems, team losing, coach not having control of hiring his staff, owner meddling with draft picks, all of these things happened before Kiffin’s arrival. The common denominator is Al Davis. You’re only fooling yourself if you try to portray it otherwise.
I’m outta here, gonna go play some football, and forget about the joke that Mr. Davis has turned a once-proud organization into.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Cable isn’t the only guy to have a terrible record in his first big HC job — lots of guys learn, and come back better a few years down the road. It’s obvious Cable has something going for him — he’s proven it at numerous locations now.
After 3/4 of 3/4 of the games we’ve played, this team looked like a 3-1 team, not the 1-3 cave-in they turned into.
Cable won’t be a 3/4 coach.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
So let me get this straight Kelly, Walker and Hall are busts after 4 games but Jamarcus after 4 games will be better later in the year.
Wow you just stepped into it big time, how can you give one player more time to improve than others on the roster.
LMN, think before you write, please.
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How I can give a player more time to improve than others, you ask??
Well its pretty simple, Vets vs Rookies.. Kelly, Hall and Walker all are vets, we knew what they was about.. Jammy just learning, he had one start prior to this year.. then you consider how long a contract they have.. and what you get in return by the end of that contract..
I stand by Hall was a bad signing I said that prior to the draft.. I said prior to the preseason that Walker was my biggest concern on offense.. still stand by that..
September 30th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Dell,
Like i said in 238, LMN is a big Kiffin fan. He is being loyal to the coach he beleived in, can’t really blame him for that. The thing is that he would rather make himeself look bad and support Kiffin then realize the truth about the guy. If Lane gave Al that type of loyalty he would still be employed.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
LMN
238 was for you, if you care to respond.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Kiffin sold his team out when he took those 2 timeouts with him on the plane ride home from Buffalo……real professional
September 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
I can’t wait for Lane Kiffin v. The Oakland Raiders!
Discovery and depositions alone should make for hours and hours of entertainment!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Fellas just think bout it. Kiffin is an in experienced 30 something guy who didn’t know what the fu*k he was doing. You think he gonna cover all his bases and Al just willy nilly doesn’t consult all his lawyers before holding the press conference? This is the best possible thing that could happen. Cable gonna bust his as* to get everyone to play 4 quarters. Kiffin didn’t know how to lead an NFL team and didn’t know how to win as a head coach. Dude played to not lose instead of beating the hell out of the other team. Now it’s time to show what the Defense and what JaMarcus, DMac and the Offense can really do.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I think Kiffin turned out to be not only young but totally immature and a weasel. But it’s not like uncle Al is innocent or naive. Coach after coach and it’s not his fault, right? I’m sick of it all.
Just WHEN baby?
Has anyone listened to Ralph and Tom today? Brutal.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Hey Dakota.
How does it feel to ALWAYS be wrong?
Go Raiders!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
PA Raider,
Al sold this team out when he drafted a QB that didn’t fit the offensive system that his new head coach was trying to install.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
7 yrs – 5 coaches…..and Al wants us to believe it’s the coaches to blame?…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
September 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
You mean always right BP.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Oakglenn..
you didn’t answer me.. but funny how I answer you.. you said kiffin didn’t support any of our players.. and if he did it was to protect his azz.. weird.. statement.. even if its to protect his azz he still said it..
He was the question from the previous post..
“name ONE player Kiffin called out in the press that didn’t deserve it? nah didn’t think so..”
September 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
If Al Davis is just fine to coach for, then why does he have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find someone to work for him……?
September 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I realized today that Al Davis looks like this guy:
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September 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
This team is not a bunch of bums. This is a damn good team with some of the best young talent in the NFL. All we need is one top tier receiver, a dominant OT and some real leadership. Maybe Cable will give that part and maybe we can put super Mario at LT and move Kwame back to RT. Trade for RW-11 and we are a playoff team. A full year for JaMarcus to develop and who knows what can happen. Al made the best decision possible today. Thought he was headed for the looney bin, but I was WRONG.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
LMN doesn’t know football from a beach ball.
That explains why he liked Kiffin.
He also liked the Clown.
Just Win Baby.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
# severeraider-Brothers United Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
LMN
238 was for you, if you care to respond.
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yup I read it, i seem to miss the question??
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
This was all done so Davis doesn’t have to pay Kiffin the rest of his contract. This wasn’t because Al wanted to address the media to tell his side of the story, this was so Al has some sort of “proof” that Kiffin was being insubortinate. Al is calculating in everything he does and he’s still very sharp. He’s just so set in his ways and stubbor and no one else can do the job he can. Enough with these games he’s playing. He needs to hire a GM and assume the role of an owner. Until he quits meddling and trying to control every damn aspect of this team they will continue
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Dell — Woody Hayes was fun to watch, especially that fateful day. A little too much of my kind of coach.
Does anyone remember the Tampa Bay game back in the day, when we had the ball on their 1-yard line…and instead of punching it in, we decided to kneel down (twice!) to get better FG position, only to miss the FG and lose the game?!
That’s how this team has felt every game, even when leading on the scoreboard. Like it was kneeling-down instead of plunging forward.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
In the Kiffin era, how many games did the Raiders go into the 4th quarter with a lead? … then seem to change there play calling to a very conservative “1st down – run left, 2nd down – run right, 3rd down – pass incomplete or sack, 4th down – punt” Making the Defense work extra had in the 4th quarter.
I would bet most games have the good defenses get beat in the 4th quarter when their offense cant stay on the field. Look at the Ravens last night. Or Chicago week 3 and week 2.
The Raiders should be finishing games like how they started the San Diego game. Only if the lead is so far ahead and the run cannot be stopped should the Raiders be so conservative.
It’s time to take the training wheels of JaMarcus and let him try and win a game instead of wearing out our D and killing out RBs.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
LMN
You are so good at moving the bar as we say in America to suit your argument. So let me get this straight you have Kelly coming off major ACL surgery within 12 months, and expect him to just tear up opposing Offensive line man, but he hasn’t so he was a waste of money.
Hall is playing in a different defensive scheme and is paid to much and is a bust after 4 games, and Walker coming off his third knee surgery in four years, plus got jacked up in Vegas plus, tore a hammy in camp is a bust.
So rookies get a pass, but vets don’t, so in your eyes Fargas is a bust to, he is injured.
You argue like you know what is fair, based on the years of playing and age.
I get it, so when is Jmarcus a bust in your way of thinking.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
The reason Al made the media wait an extra half hour before his press conference today is so he could finish drafting this letter with his attorney….it’s just so convenient that the letter addresses every talking point that puts the blame on Davis, and turns the blame to Kiffen.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
You can argue that Kiffin was or wasn’t a decent head coach until your face turns blue, but it is fact that Al Davis is the worst GM in the NFL. When a coach asks for a certain type of QB to run the offense that you recruited him to run, your answer should not be “f*ck you, I do what I want. You’ll coach whoever I pick” When a coach wants to instill coaches and players that fit the system you recruited him to run, you can’t say “please keep all the crappy athletes I have collected over the years, and work with the coaches I don’t have the balls to fire.” Stop with the Lane Kiffin sucks and Fire Kiffin chatter, it’s over he is gone, there is nothing to argue about, because he never got a chance to do what he was recruited, BY AL DAVIS, to do.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
post 260,great point,even the Al haters cant explain that!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
The one thing that stands out to me is that this situation festered way too long. Davis, as GM, should be talking to the coach on a DAILY basis. This statement is even more true because Kiffin, never being a head coach of anything let alone an NFL franchise, should have had this mechanism as a teaching and communication tool. Someone has to be talking to the GM if it isn’t the head coach. So, thinking that the assistants had gone behind Kiff’s back – yeah, they probably did. Also, Davis was giving Kiffin time to grow into the job, but the shortsidedness was from the fact that Kiffin, according to Davis, was seeking his counsel outside of the Silver and Black headquarters. That is bizzare. In the end though, if the Arkansas job process happened as Al reflected, Kiffin should have been given his release. Davis had “just cause” from that incident alone. Kiffin, it sounds, wants to go back to something familiar – the college ranks – which isn’t a crime, but isn’t being fair to the Raiders whether he got the job or not. In the end, his comments about “Mr. Davis has a decision to make” I believe refers to the letter sent to him shortly after the Buffalo game. Also, not using his two time outs in Buffalo and the 76 yard field goal attempt (in which they could have run a play or two more) was action designed to drive Mr. Davis to today’s press conference. Eventually, we’re going to hit on the right combination, and begin winning again.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Dell, all of it.
LMN, you answered your own question, so I didn’t think I had to.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Cole Ford would remember
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
When is Darth Raider going to finally man up, and throw Emporer Al down the bottomless shaft?
USE THE FORCE!!!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Way East Bay,
Agreed, it is way too convenient that Al places the blame for every free agent pick-up on Kiff, except the only one that has worked out: Gibril Wilson. Al Davis has a stunning amount of audacity, I will give him that.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Go White Sox!
September 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
WAY—Are you serious? You think Al is that stupid with all his lawyers?? C’mon dude you gotta be high. You must have just stumbled on this blog and went out yesterday to the mall to buy some Raider gear. Or maybe you are Kiffin’s 11 yo nephew.
September 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Kiff did a great job in a doomed situation. That letter is BS. Please!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
seems that youre on the ralph and tom side of the bay,post279 yes ,hes gone,yes,yes,yes,yes
September 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I can’t believe Cable is actually a head coach, let alone a head coach of the Raiders. Could this be anymore bizarre? Cable? Coach??
September 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
# severeraider-Brothers United Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Trevjo,i was against the J-rock pick and would still much rather have had “the Prototype” with the 1st pick and Trent Edwards in the 3rd. I was pulling for us to draft CJ first overall and take either Stanton or Edwards but alas we selected Jamarcus. That being said, i read in several publications that Jamarcus was the most talented QB in the draft but was also not near Quinn in polish. He was also rated above Brohm if he were to have come out that year. The ND got him recognition but him havng the best workout for a QB in history cemented his status.
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I totally agree, I was a CJ rooter to and an edwards fan because he an walter is very alike..
that said, I think Jammy’s mind is way more fragile than we might accept, not the mental part, I believe he is strong mental, but the information overload is tough on him, many of his mistakes in SD game, was pure bad luck, but some of them was also repeats.. thats both good and bad, because if we recognize his mistakes, he can learn from it, if not its BAAAAD..
this what I’m talked about in my answer to RaiderDell.. Jammy’s learning curve just started, thats why I can have more patience with jammy than with the vets like Walker and Hall, that I before the arrived had lost faith in
September 30th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Guy’s It’s time to move on Kiffin is no longer the HC of the Oakland Raiders and there is NOTHING we can do about that, If you are still on board lets just move on.
I’m just glade that we can get back to playing football, sick of hearing about the HC is he staying or going, at least davis did something!!!!! now lets move on….
September 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
I know this is very very very preliminary, but let’s take a look at the winners and losers of this sad debacle:
First,
The Winners
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Al Davis
Jamarcus
The offense
Rob Ryan
The Defense
Tom Cable
Fire Kiffin
James Lofton
Greg Knapp
The Passing Game
The Raider Fans
The Raider Nation
Now,
The Losers
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Lane Kiffin
MR
September 30th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
hopefully al will find an offensive tackle or two, and maybe a center to get cable going. and to all you “in cable we trust” people out there: now, we ALL have to have the same trust, because no matter if kiff, al, and/or the media have been telling the truth about anything, the coach is now cable. that’s that…
September 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Its not over Shawn. As long as Davis is running this team, history will keep repeating.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Here´s what Al Davis had to say after it was over and the reporters circled around Al to talk some more….
From Tim Kawakami:
“There’s a reason why I don’t ask Al Davis questions at his formal news conferences–such as today’s all-timer: Because he’s always much better and more lucid in the informal give-and-take of the post-press conference gaggle.
Today it happened again. He cracked jokes. He asked me if I was applying for a job with the Raiders (no!). He gave Annie K. a nod.
He’s a beaut. That double-dip Al press conference was incredible. But you’ve heard most of it or seen it or have gotten astonished word of mouth from the TV or radio.
This is what you couldn’t hear–but what the most determined Al-ologists crave: The relaxed Al, taking on all questions, just being Al, crazier than ever.
–A partial transcript of the gaggle…
-Q: Kiffin had that reputation at USC as a tough personality to like. Do you think you didn’t vet him well?
-AL DAVIS: No, I think he conned me like he conned all you people.
-Q: Why not fire Kiffin in training camp?
-DAVIS: Because I still thought there was hope. I’ve got a young quarterback. I still thought there was hope that he could see the light. Where he really popped off and started, it was Rob Ryan after the Denver game.
-Q: Who did Kiffin want to draft instead of JaMarcus?
-DAVIS: There were several. Every day it was different, that’s the thing. He didn’t want Russell. At one time he wanted Brady Quinn. At one time Calvin Johnson. At one time to trade it.
-Q: Why did you trade Moss if you knew he was good?
-DAVIS: They didn’t want him.
-Q: They?
-DAVIS: Not the coaches. They were coming in brand new. That was a big thing on their minds.
Plus, you know how many teams turned him down. That guy in Green Bay thought he couldn’t run any more. Even Denver, where they’ll take anybody, turned him down.
But what’s his name knew he could run, he’s a friend of Belichick’s. Mike Lombardi. Mike sold what’s his name, Belichick, on the idea that he could run. They tampered with him. I remember Bob Kraft saying that he had to look him in the eye and all that. They went down and worked him out, he could run. He’s their team, of course, with the quarterback.
-Q: Mike Lombardi was a loyal guy for years…
-DAVIS: Mike Lombardi? Yes, he was all right.
-Q: And he’s taking shots at you…
-DAVIS: That’s part of life. You just live with those things. He was with me eight years. Mike Lombardi has been fired from every job he’s had. Every job. He can’t get a job. Last year he was fired from a job he was working for for nothing. He was fired from Denver. But he does have ability. He does have some ability.
But he was bad to Shell. Not necessary. You can’t get that in an organization, somebody in the organization bad-mouthing the coach.
-Q: Nobody can do that?
-DAVIS: Well, you can do it a little bit, seriously. But it’s tough, you know. It just wasn’t right. Shell was… been here all his life. I just… would stick up for him, so both of them had to go.
-Q: You’ve also got Lofton, Rathman, Knapp, Ryan… A lot of guys you passed over for Cable. What was the main reason you picked him and not those guys?
-DAVIS: Because I think he can do a better job. With the team.
-Q: With the organizational structure, is all you need is a new head coach to fix things?
-DAVIS: No. No, I’ve got to one or two other things. I mentioned some other things, Jerry, that are coming up here. Possibly a work stoppage. Possible an uncapped year in 2010. We have to prepare for that.
Stadium. There’s a lot going on. Trask is involved in a lot of that stuff, Amy Trask. There’s a lot going on in the business side of football today. We have the negotiations with the players, that was a blow that hurt me personally, because he was a close friend, Gene Upshaw.
And I’m running into that quite a bit now, losing people. I lost Jack Faulkner the other day. I don’t know if any of you know him. He was with the Rams. I had to talk to him while he was on his deathbed. I guess there’s no one left but me. Maybe I’m the only one left who can talk to these guys.
-Q: Do you think this organization have a need for any more football people?
-DAVIS: Yes, I do. There’s one guy I’m looking at now.
-Q: A senior executive?
-DAVIS: It would be an executive role, yeah.
-Q: Would you wait until the off-season before making the move?
-DAVIS: Yeah, I’d wait ‘til this off-season. Yeah, I’ve talked to the person, pretty much. It’d be unique. He’s local.
-Q: Can you give us a name?
-DAVIS: Local.
-Q: Your son Mark has been around a lot more recently. What aspect of the organization is he involved in?
-DAVIS: He’s business and perhaps he’s doing some work on stadium. Business and stadium. He doesn’t want to get involved in football. He used to know all the players. He still does. They were his vintage—Cliff Branch and all those guys, Fred Biletnikoff, all those guys.
He never understood how I could let someone go. He just doesn’t want to get into that part of it.
But he will own it some day. That is… if they let me go to my maker.
-Q: You said to somebody that you wanted to win two more Super Bowls and then retire…
-DAVIS: I didn’t say retire. I just want to win two more.
-Q: But could you retire?
-DAVIS: All joking aside, sure.
-Q: It keeps coming up, so Al, how’s your health?
-DAVIS: Other than the quadriceps and a little trouble with the walking, based on total balance, I’m fine. I’m healthy. You’re going to have to have me around for a while.
I’m fine, really. I take all the tests four times a year. I get a check up on everything, echo and all those things. All the blood work, I do that four times a year.
My mother, you know, she lived a long time, 103. I hope nothing happens. Because disease is the one thing, boy I tell you, it’s tough to lick. It’s tough to lick those goddamn diseases. I don’t know why they can’t.
It bothers me they wont let us use… and it doesn’t mean that I’m Republican or Democrat… the stem-cell. I think it could help.
-Q: I don’t think we’ve talked to you since last year when you sold a 20% stake to outside investors for the first time. Can you explain why you did that?
-DAVIS: You should’ve called me. The fact (is that it wasfor)… estate planning.
-Q: For Mark?
-DAVIS: Well, obviously.
In 2011, that rule comes back. You know it’s down to about 10% in 2010 or no estate tax and then I think in 2011 or 12, right in there, the estate comes back… you have to correct me, does it go back to about 48%?
-Q: You’ve had other coaches who’ve gone through the Raiders to future success. You think that could happen with Kiffin?
-DAVIS: Here’s what I would say: When Shanahan left me, he went to Denver. He was there for about four or five years as an assistant and they fired him for insubordination. Dan Reeves and he had a big battle. He went to the 49ers and he learned their style of football and when Dan Reeves failed in Denver, the first guy they had was Wade Phillips, I think… then he brought Shanahan back. And Shanahan had success. But Shanahan has an asterisk next to those two Super Bowls, because they were caught cheating.
Now Norv Turner does a good job as a coordinator and he’s doing a good job as a head coach. Now let’s see what he does. He’s got a good team. Let’s see what he does. I might have been impetuous with him. But he was a good guy.
If you remember with Norv, the first thing Norv did was let Tim Brown go. And I had to have a press conference up in Napa about Tim Brown leaving. And then about two games into the season, he forgot that Jerry Rice caught a pass in every game. He forgot to throw him the ball and he broke his streak. They threw him the ball, it went through his hands and then they didn’t come back to him. And so Jerry Rice said he wanted to be traded.
I’m not making excuses here. And then the next year I got him Kerry and Randy and it was pretty good. But we couldn’t win so that thing didn’t go.
Now who else was here?
-Q: Gruden?
-DAVIS: Jon. You’ve got to make your own decision. Jon was a good coach. But don’t forgot, I took Jon, no one else even knew who he was.
Jon’s first two years, he was in tough. He won a big game that kept him alive. You know which game that was? Kansas City… that’s pretty good. You ought to be over here with us…
The Tuck Game was the undoing of a lot of things.
-Q: Was it accurate that you talked Javon Walker out of retirement during training camp?
-DAVIS: I don’t know. See, that’s the problem. I’m pretty close to some of the players and I try to stay away from them. I stay away because I don’t want the head coach to be upset.
Javon can play. He can play.
-Q: Do the new minority partners have any option to buy in the future?
-DAVIS: Everyone has an option to buy a limited. But not to buy the… no… No, I have options to buy a limited. Everyone has that option.
No, as long as we’re alive, and then there’s the possibility of Trask. I think I want to do something for her. That’s Amy Trask. Other than Carol and Mark, no… other than maybe her.
-Q: Are you looking for more investors?
-DAVIS: No. I could have them in a minute. I want to see where we’re going to end up with the stadium.
-Q: How is the stadium stuff going?
-DAVIS: We’ll see. We’re working with the city of Oakland. We’re working.
-Q: Could you stay at the Coliseum after the lease expires in 2010 the way it’s set up currently?
-DAVIS: Of course we want a new one. I wouldn’t negotiate with you right now or with the media. I don’t know if the newspapers will be in existence (in 2010).”
September 30th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
LONG LIVE AL!
WITH CABLE WE WILL BE ABLE……
September 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I think you people are missing an important point; just because person A drafts a letter and sends it to person B it does not mean everything in that letter is true. And the only items that letter proves, if Al can show it was actually delivered to Lane Kiffin, are items that occurred after that letter was delivered. All of the accusations about previous incidents are not proven simply because Al wrote them in a letter.
Use your brains. This was a well thought out and calculated first strike in what will soon become a lawsuit.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
LMN dude I like JaMarcus, it’s easy to say now oh yeah I wanted Trent Edwards all along, I bet if you ran the team you would not have thought twice on who to draft at QB you me and most would have drafted JaMarcus.
It’s easy to be an arm chair QB/GM/Owner.
I try it all the time…..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
LOL
Asomugha was in NFL Network and denied all of the stupid locker room crap Al was talking about.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b43d02
EVEN THE PLAYERS DENY IT
September 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Oakglenn—Once again you are wise. Enough said. Raiders for life and now its time to beat the hell out of other teams and win some games.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Oakglenn, Winner: Rob Ryan and Fire Kiffin Loser: Everyone else, including Al Davis.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
BART…Can’t JaMarcus throw the 7 yard out for that “offense Kiffin wanted to run”….hahahahahahah…CLOWN
September 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Oakglenn,
You are fool if you think Lane Kiffin is a loser in this. He went from not being able to land the Minnesota Gophers head coaching job, to the short list for several college and NFL head coaching positions. The only losers in this whole charade are the paying Raider fans. If you feel like a winner today, my friend, then you need to take a long look in the mirror.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
correction:
Now,
The Losers
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oakglenn
September 30th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
What will be fun to watch one of two things.
1) If Cable can win then some people in here will all be on the bandwagon, “cable was the best pick to run the team, we should have picked him over Kiffin in the first place thats who I wanted.”
2) He continues to lose and some people here “Al Davis sucks he needs to take a dirt nap.”
September 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Oh I’m sorry PA Raider, I was just quoting your hero Al Davis. But then when do facts and logic matter to a sheep. Try reading the blog that precede these comments.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
If you were watching live on NFLN you just knew there would be more to come after Horton was interviewing Cable while everyone else could be seen gathered around in the back….
September 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
lmn, you are a freak who can’t get enough of the USA. Stay ostracized in your little cubby hole. You faidermutt amd foolkell that sellout are 1 in the same troll. Im going to finish your wanna-be Misses Brien self.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
John Madden has called Davis “his best friend.”
Ok all Davis haters you can never play Madden again!
I am no big fan of Davis, But Kiffin did nothing great.
2 timeouts left and you CAN NOT KEEP THEM.
76 yard field goal & the worst clock managment.
He was no Bill Walsh.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
BART….Try recognizing athleticism and greatness and winning…..something Al Davis has done his entire life. WE WILL WIN AGAIN…..AND WE WILL WIN WITH THIS TEAM…..Al Davis is RAIDER
September 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Marley what was more???? I turned my TV off when John get your F****** hand off me Herrera said it was over.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
This is not the same as ‘89 and Kiffin ain’t no Shanarat. Kiffin will never be an NFL head coach again cuz he broke several rules that Al lives by. Shanarat never leaked BS to the media behind his back and Shanarat never came out and said he didn’t wanna draft a guy. Any of you guys ever hear JaMarcus say how much he loved Kiffin or supported him?? Think not. Kiffin will be lucky to be the head coach at Baylor or Washington St. After all this how many QB’s in his system will trust him?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
John Herrera is behind all this crap.
Watch Mort tomorrow saying he was informed by Herrera
September 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
LMN,
Yvonne Walker????? Too funny. Please excuse me, I’ll be using that one.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
anyone have a transcript, or a FULL video of the press conference? I’d like to watch it if I can thanks?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Fu*k Kiffin and fu*k the MF media. Kawakami, Nancy Gay, Ann Killion, Rat Fatso, KNBR, Adam Schefter and the rest are all a bunch of rumor mongoring aholes who love to fuel the fire and spread more sh*t. Fu*k all of them.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Wow, that is your response PA! Nevermind, I thought I was having an educated argument with a fellow football fan. You just keep supporting Al Davis blindly, that will work out just fine for someone of your intellect.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
so now we go through “he said, she said I said” everyone will have their own version of events no doubt Lane will refute all that Al said….
how long has Cable signed on for? Is he mearly the interim coach for the remainder of the year?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Kiffin is gone and fuk you too.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
He broke Uncle Al’s two most sacred rules of all. Loyalty and secretiveness. He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. The players will play for Cable. Silver and Black for Life!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
There a 2 Kinds of Raider Fans:
1. Al Davis Azz kissers
2. Fans who want to win.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
If letter was fedex on date of letter, Sept 12th, then when did Lane receive it. The earliest, Saturday, Sept 13th or perhaps, Monday, Sept 15th. Did Lane say anything publicly between Sept. 13th and Sept 28th that shows cause for firing for actions after the letter?
That will be an interesting question for lawyers, if Lane decides to go to arbitration.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Is it odd that there has been vitually nothing from the Robbo haters recently? I have seen him outschemed over the years but I never hated what him. He may not have become a great coach in three games but since the first game the D has done everything anyone could ask for given that humans beings only have a certain amount of energy over a given time frame.
I realize that it may be undefendable on this site to appreciate Robbo’s D, but damNation, those men have been screws to the wall for three games now. (As Fouts put it on the Buffy broadcast, “a great Raiders defense”.)
Now to recreate the chickenS playcalling in the red zone and the second half.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
BBB, honestly, I don’t think Kiffin is going to come out of this smelling like a rose. Some small college program will take a chance on him to try to lure recruits, but, he really did not come off well in all of this. I’d be shocked if Michigan or Penn State would look at this guy and jump at him now. And even if they did, we’d be looking at Nuehisle or Ty Willingham all over again. There is no way he is going to be a NFL Head Coach any time soon I don’t think.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I think the verdict is still out on Kwame Harris. He was horrible in SF but Cable wanted him because he thought he could play. I thought he was blocking pretty well in the Denver game until he got the back of his leg rolled up on. Against SD he really struggled, but that was coming off injury after being out for two weeks. I don’t think he should be judged by that one game. Lets wait and see how it unfolds. I hope Cable proves to be right about him.
Here is to a new start. Go Raiders
September 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
And on third down.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
No, Kiffin probably deserved what he got. But what does that have to do with the Raiders being the laughingstock of the NFL.
Kiffin didn’t cause that.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Let me try to answer you the best i can…..
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# Raider Dell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
LMN
“So let me get this straight you have Kelly coming off major ACL surgery within 12 months, and expect him to just tear up opposing Offensive line man, but he hasn’t so he was a waste of money.”
–No I would have liked us to pay him some money or let him go, sigh clemons and Nnamdi to longterm deals
“Hall is playing in a different defensive scheme and is paid to much and is a bust after 4 games”
–Never liked the guy, he was a bust in my eyes before he arrived.. He loses his temper to quick, that was my biggest concern. Him getting burned is nothing new, not just a scheme thing. That said, I liked the idea of getting a good CB opposite Nnamdi to keep the field aligned..
“Walker coming off his third knee surgery in four years, plus got jacked up in Vegas plus, tore a hammy in camp is a bust.”
–Never liked him either, neither as a GB or a bronco, Lelie on the other hand I like.. none of what happened to walker while being a raider has been good for him – so bust yes.. I liked the move of carter, he is on IR, but in my eyes not a bust yet..
“So rookies get a pass, but vets don’t”
– absolutely not, my patience is just way stronger with a young guy that still hasn’t dissappointed me, If some vets is in my black book prior to being a raider, those remarks don’t go away just because he suits up ins SnB..
“so in your eyes Fargas is a bust to, he is injured.”
– to be honest I don’t think we should have re-signed him, I think he broke the bank, even if its small money its way more than he is worth, he got money for what he has done, its fine by me, but i wouldn’t have signed him.. I rather have kept Domonic Rhodes.. but a bust he isn’t because now with ‘OO’ on the IR he is the only guy who hurts the ‘D’
“You argue like you know what is fair, based on the years of playing and age.”
– I don’t know what that means, but I argue from what I believe, cant do it any other way =)
“I get it, so when is Jmarcus a bust in your way of thinking.”
– I say by the end of 2010 I’ll give you an answer on that one, but another HC change will not do him any good. The positive thing here is, Knapp is still here, he was the hands on guy, with Jammy..
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hope that satisfy you..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
LMN,
Yvonne Walker????? Too funny. Please excuse me, I’ll be using that …………………………………
Yep, girls just won’t to have fun. Girls girls gurls like they
September 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
# KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
LMN,
Yvonne Walker????? Too funny. Please excuse me, I’ll be using that one.
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your wellcome..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
# KoolKell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
LMN,
Yvonne Walker????? Too funny. Please excuse me, I’ll be using that one.
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your wellcome..
That’s right euros can’t spell either. Get the hell out of here girl, before I run you out. It’s welcome dummy. OMG
September 30th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
foolkell go back to your ghetto.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
BBB, going with this Kiff thing for a sec, you have to look at it one of two ways: The last two weeks, was Kiffin actually trying to win games?? And if he was, and that was the best he could do, he is not a very good coach. If he wasn’t, and he was sabotaging things to get himself fired, which was brought up in the press conference, then, he is destoying a team, a franchise, personal relationships, a league, for his own personal gain. Either way it is pretty damning.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
BBB
Pease support this, Kiffin wanted to resign after 10 months on the job to pursue a College job.
Kiffin asks Davis if he would sign off on the change and have no monetary damages to the University that hires him.
Davis then has staff compose a letter to have him sign to resign his position and then refuses.
So let me get this, Kiffin wants to be paid while he looks for another job, doesn’t sign the resignation letter and complains to Mortensen that Davis sent him a resignation letter. The request was from Kiffin to be released and Davis gave him his blessing to leave as long as he signed the letter.
He crys to the media Davis is forcing him out and the fans are led to believe Davis is a jackass, all the time Kiffin new of the situation and could have just stated he made a mistake inquiring about a college job and this incident would have been over.
The incident stayed through the season and yet you want us to give Kiffin a pass on this childish ploy.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
# ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
LMN dude I like JaMarcus, it’s easy to say now oh yeah I wanted Trent Edwards all along, I bet if you ran the team you would not have thought twice on who to draft at QB you me and most would have drafted JaMarcus.
It’s easy to be an arm chair QB/GM/Owner.
I try it all the time…..
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first I never said I’m right, I just say how I see it.. big difference there, or at least it is to me
Secondly.. Well I said I wanted CJ and Trent Edwards.. I fully stand behind Jammy, I did so seconds after we picked him.. I give till the end of 2010 then he needs to be in the top 10.. I also said we shouldn’t have traded our 2nd pick to Atlanta so we could have picked Eddie Royal..
If you don’t believe me, just go back to JarryMac’s blogs for the past two drafts..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
FIRE CABLE Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
nate Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
i’m changing nation collective’s name to boy collector based on how many hours he logs on here talking to guys
September 30th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
STR,as You said ,with Cable WE WILL BE ABLE,Raiders will kick ass the rest of the year,RAIDERS!!!!!JRUSS for ten years ,min!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I, for one, am going to give Tom Cable a chance. I am sure that if we go 2-10 the rest of the year Mr. Al The Buck Stops Here Davis will blame him and the search for coach number 7345 will begin again in January. But for now Cable is our guy…even if he looks like a McDonalds employee.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Brien..
I’ll go now, work calls.. in the mean time I advise you to study the game, you might start with what ’strong side’ means..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Why do I think “Fire Cable” is either Kiffin or MR?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
C ya guys.. if I haven’t answered you and you want one, then get back to me when i’m back.. I’ll do my best try then..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Dakota..
“even if he looks like a McDonalds employee.”
Okay a last one.. Hey dakota, doesn’t 90% of the NFL employees look like the work for McD??
September 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Shawnraiders81
Yeah there was more but not on TV, it was the usual chat between Al and the local media, Kawakami seems to be the one who always gives us the details….I copied his report on post 296.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
post 339,he reminds me of MADDEN,give the guy a chance,besides,Round Table comes to mind,Raiders
September 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I knew there was another side to this story. Davis always delivers.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Davis’ ploy to turn Russel against Kiffin was so obvious. It was pathetic how he tried to convince us that Kiffin didn’t want him. I hope Russel sees through the deception.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Dell
Post 335 was right on.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Oakglenn,
Nobody cares about loyalty in the NFL or NCAA. Al’s original choice Bernard Petrino sabotaged his former team in the NFL, and landed on a nice plum college head coaching gig. Lane Kiffin was on nobody’s radar a year and a half ago, and now, whether you believe it or not, he has done enough in Oakland to be praised by almost everyone who has been watching (outside of Raider Nation). He will have a better job next year than he did this year, and last year, and every year before that.
That makes him a winner. Us fans that shelled out money for season tickets, and now watch helplessly as we start all over from scratch, we lost.
Note: You want to know the real reason Al waited this long to fire Lane Kiffin? Season ticket sales went way up this year, Al was not going to jeopardize that. After he sold all that he could, he waited for Kiffin to lose some games and struggle, and make some negative remarks, then SNIP.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Thanks Marley!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Marley Esq.
good evening, thanks for the post of the AD Q & A session. It was real, rather than a bunch of supposition.
Although the haters will realize none of it.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
with cable we will disable!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Most interesting bit of the “chat” with reporters afterwards…..
-Q: Do you think this organization have a need for any more football people?
-DAVIS: Yes, I do. There’s one guy I’m looking at now.
-Q: A senior executive?
-DAVIS: It would be an executive role, yeah.
-Q: Would you wait until the off-season before making the move?
-DAVIS: Yeah, I’d wait ‘til this off-season. Yeah, I’ve talked to the person, pretty much. It’d be unique. He’s local.
-Q: Can you give us a name?
-DAVIS: Local.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
It was good to see Al finally come out and tell his side of the story.
He put his integrity on the line (if there is any left) by calling out Mort’ Monte Kiffin and others. I hate all the coaching changes and was a Kiffin supporter But, if Al is telling the truth Kiffy was a boy in a mans game, and we’re better off without him.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Bob,
I wonder if he is looking at Mariucci. Hell, even Millen would be an upgrade. Somebody needs to act as buffer between Al and the Scapecoach when scholarship coaches and athletes need to be removed.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I wonder who the executive would be, God forbid Mat Millen.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
BART Bridge Brigade Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Oakglenn,
Nobody cares about loyalty in the NFL or NCAA.
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Wrong.
AL still cares about loyalty. It’s probably his best trait.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Nation – does it really matter at this point wtf Kiffy has to say? I say him on BSPN with Tre Wingo and he looked like he was ready to cry, or had been crying.
Fuk Kiffy at this point, he is no longer a Raider. He is now the enemy just like everyone else.
IT IS NO LONGER AL DAVIS vs. LANE KIFFIN. Kiffy is gone, he is no longer a Raider, and some of us question wether he EVER was.
No more defending Kiffy, he is gone, and is now the enemy.
This is war biotches, which side are you on?
As for me, I am on the side of THE OAKLAND RAIDERS.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
post349,how are ralpf and tmo doing for ya,hater! ps warm kell,=TIRED
September 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
And for those of you who “cute up” with your “yvonne”, what exactly has Javon done detrimental to the Raiders? He has not pulled a Moss or T.O. screaming to the heavens that he is the greatest incarnation of anyone on Earth. Kid Kiff threw him a bone or two the first two plays and then abandoned him. We should see more of Javon now that the husband of the pregnant wife is outta here (driving his Mercedes), oh woe is him.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Dell 335 was an absolute classic.
BBB, I am not disagreeing with you. Those watching at a distance might not know what happened. Davis’s statements were pretty damning. I will bet they will settle this out of court, Davis will pay Kiffin something, but only if he keeps his mouth shut about Davis and the organisation.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
AS FOR ME I AM ON THE OAKLAND RAIDERS SIDE.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
How did Knapp get leap-frogged?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Watch Javon and DeAngelo COMPLETELY turn in around now that KIFFY is gone and wont be putting them down.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Einstein
I am with you, the football side.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Bob Marley,
I think that guy is no other than Steve Mariucci. Mooch has been defending Al on NFL network. Al said some excoaches on TV has been calling. It makes sense. Cable worked for Mooch. That is why Cable agreed to interim because Al wants to see how Cable works out. If he doesnt work out, the mooch will have him work as one of his assistants.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
BART
Yes, Mariucci would seem to fit.
When AD referred to a TV guy today I´m pretty sure it was Mariucci, I was watching when he said what AD said.
Plus, Cable was Mariucci´s OL Coach at Cal, maybe AD just talked to him about Cable or maybe they talked a little more.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
BBB, the only thing about Bob Petrino is he better be in Arkansas for awhile, because who is now going to hire him after all the bridges he torched??
September 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Go Raiders, long live the King, and F–k Kiffin, f–k him and his childish antics. Im glad his sorry ass is gone. Never seen a coach get so much love for doing so little. Soon people will see that we are better off without his sorry ass.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Seattle,
Because Greg Knapp wasn’t a Raider fan growing up and Tom Cable was, lol.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I think mooch would be a good coach to have!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Right on Dell!!!
Welcome to the Raider Nation, the nation that bleeds silver and black!!
Guys, you are missing the pointe here. It doesn’t matter if you like Al Davis or not. WE are THE OAKLAND RAIDERS, Lame Kiffy is not. He is now the enemy just like Lombardi, Mortenson, Shanny, Sh!tenheimer, the list goes on…
September 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Al is a senile old man. I am an Oakland Raider Fan….for Life!!! But I hate Al Davis, and I have for many many years. Kiffin made his share of mistakes….but he never hurt this team…only this prideful old man’s feelings…Even Asomugha said the MAJORITY of the players wanted Kiffin there.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
I was a Raider fan Hmmmmmmm……..
September 30th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Mortenson is a stand up guy. Davis is the professional liar.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
POST 363,Think hes headed to Seattle next year,hope the collective goes with him
September 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Dakota what is your CURRENT stance on all this? Im asking because I care, and I respect your opinion.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Hey Cole, you shoot any magicians lately? Say hi to Charlie Manson for me!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Cable has awful credentials for being a HC. He was awful at Idaho!
September 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
If some of you have noticed, Al Davis cares more for the Raiders than anyone. Think Kiffie gave a damn about the Raiders? He may have cared about a football team but it is not the same. It could have been Arkansas or Syracuse or SC. He was never real and in the end he showed it… sure “I’m in” to what?, to who?, where?, why?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
I believe Davis about as much as I believe Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin, which is about nada.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Marley
Post #367 is what I had thought when he said that after reading your comment(tim Kwakami) after the presser was over.
Mariucci is a Walsh guy, and has ben a GM, and HC and understands the current game today.
I would bet before Walsh died Davis had many conversations about Mariucci.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Cable just laughed when they brought up maybe being the permanent head coach…..he like Asomugha, and anyone else who has a chance, are going to get out of this hell hole! Sad.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
COLE FORD:
WITH A name like that how do you expect ANY of us on this blog to take ANYTHING you say seriously?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Cables credentials are no worse than Kiffins. Lame didnt even call the plays at USC. At least Cable wont be sending his resume to Arkansas during the season.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Oakglenn,
He could replace Nick Saban at Alabama, when Saban moves on to a better program. Bottom Line is winning in most organizations, except ours. I like that Al is really loyal to his players and wants to treat them like family, but when that comes before winning, then Al is not honoring his commitment to excellence.
If Petrino wins at Arkansas, he can have any job he wants, maybe even with the Raiders (after Al is gone of course)
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Brien, you’re too stupid to be ashamed of yourself. That’s pretty fuked up. Wow.
Bob Marley,
Do you have any new Raider propaganda we should be aware of? How this is all going to work out?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
[...] also disappointing to hear that he didn’t want to pick JaMarcus. The letter Al Davis displayed at the presser stated that fact and some other interesting things, including the [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Tom Cable is going to work out fine. Cable knows how to run an offense, especially when you don’t have blue chippers 5 deep.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Hey Go Raiders, I haven’t shot any magicians lately, but Al Davis sure pulled off one hell of a magic trick today. Hmmm…….that gives me an idea.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
plunkett :
so negative, remember Bill Belacheat and his track record with the Browns…. Think outside the box….
September 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Bob Marley post 296 omfg WOW….fking davis is still there guys….unreal!!! ok im back on the wagon fk kiffin….the one thing that caught my eye…jon was a good coach, have to make up your own mind (everyone forgets grudens family lives in florida and part of the reason he wanted out was to be near them)
Unreal day in raider nation wowowowow
September 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
BTW hiring Cable is the ONLY sound decision that Kiffin made while he was here.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Well Saban is doing a pretty good job right now at Alabama so I don’t see that happening anytime soon. I would have a hard time believing any pro team would take Bob Petrino unless he wins a string of national championships out of a weak program.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Al Davis is out of his mind…if anyone thought his press conference wasn’t the most idiotic, childish, insane display of how mind numbingly f’ed up this organization is, then I feel sorry for you and Al.
That was painful…to watch this old man act like a child and try to prove his case by blowing up a letter he sent to Kiffin!!! Amazing, I couldn’t believe anything he said after he started the conference saying that Kiffins first response after hearing he got fired is “Does this mean I don’t get paid?” B.S.!! The Al propaganda machine is in full effect.
Has Tom Cable been fired yet?
September 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
“KoolKell” got it! So Al- since your’e such a freakin genius (oh know He’s passed- RIP Bill) who’s to blame ? all the other coaches you fired? If you know so well whats best for the nation, why haven’t you hired him;because if you really knew , we wouldn’t be going thru this all over again! yeah that’s right- he’s coaching in Tampa- and now the next best thing we had going is headed to Syracuse! I love the Oakland Raiders- I hate Al Davis- this reminds me of how I felt when they left for LA- remember, that was another winning move- and EVERYONE EXCEPT DUMBASS AL was wrong!SCREW AL DAVIS
September 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Howie’s Neck Roll :
If Cable did not want the job he could have said no….
September 30th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Goodnight friends, I can’t wait till Kiffin’s press conference tomorrow.
September 30th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
For All of you Who Just Wrote Off the Team,
Always remember, before you decide to give up on an organisation, any organisation, whether it’s your employer, your family, your friends, your team, don’t do it while you are in an emotional state. You’ll regret it later.
Your Friend,
Brett Favre
September 30th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
chrisco,frisco is waiting for youre d— a–
September 30th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Shawnraider81
I noticed you in here pointing out some great comments on this whole situation, let me say throughout the day.
You spoke for me on many occasions, thanks.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Look for the F YOU ALICE signs in sect.#238. Poor Tom Cable, unfortunately he’s next! Even Namdi said this would suck
September 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Hilarious to me that when Al finally speaks there is disbelief as to his words. The interview transcribed in Marley Esq.’s post is revealing.
The only news program I find to be non-insulting is Olbermann’s Countdown. Why? Because he reports all the things that are there which no one else talks about. God rest Molly Ivins, she had the most brass of them all.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Never a dull moment in Raderville,
pull the string on the left, and scream for cheese!
Later Nation.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Thanks Dell!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
post 396,DICK,you write like a collective loser,kiffie is out,yes,yes,yes
September 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
That’s my point Oakglenn, you forgot all the slimy crap that Nick Saban did to get out of Miami. Saban is a proven “professional liar”, and yet he is the toast of Alabama right now. The NCAA doesn’t care what former NFL coaches did off the field when making hiring decisions, especially with regard to the Raiders. Remember Bill “Stupidest Team in America” Callahan? Landed on his feet as head coach of Nebraska, and now is back in the NFL as a play-caller. This little tirade by Al Davis did nothing to Kiffin’s stock.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
wow this is a nice written out letter. it doez seem like it waz written this morning. lol. i personally think that lane waz doin the best job he could have done.. since he did have limitz.. he didnt want rob ryan az defense coordinator.. and us raider fanz see ytf not! plz dnt b in denial and say al davis is a smart GM and lane kiffin sucked az a coach
September 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Get over it. I’m not leaving a scrong black man.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
what did randy moss getting traded for a 4th rounder and getting rid of zack crocket have to do with the fireing? Firt time Al looked like a fool. Zack i dont know why Al brought that up unless it was to try and get the players on his side.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
My buddy was the d-line coach at Idaho from 2000-2003. The reviews of Cable were awful. He is a fine o-line coach, but not a HC. He will be a train wreck. Anyone who would be a for the Raiders is nutless at this point. That is reality.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Einstein Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Dakota what is your CURRENT stance on all this? Im asking because I care, and I respect your opinion.
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E,
Well, I am happy to see the circus end INSIDE the Raiders. I think Al wanted Kiffin gone last January and it took him 9 months to build a case and I think he threw away the 2008 season to get his way. I think the locker-room was certainly affected by all of this and without a united group of leaders the players were unable play to their full potential. I still do not trust Rob Ryan and think that he will remain our Achilles heal, but hopefully Al will let him leave after this season. I hope Cable can unite the players and the staff in the common goal of turning this franchise around. I think Kiffin’s chance of leading this team ended in January, but he had us going in the right direction and Al’s decision to retain RR was a major mistake. I think Kiffin tried to change the team’s culture and that was his downfall, and things spiraled out of control and some of the blame lies at his feet. He certainly was not a great coach but he gave a lot of us hope.
I am disgusted with Al for throwing away this season to win a personal battle with a 33 year old HC. I am disgusted with Al for passing the buck on the free agent flops (and for still crying over Randy Moss) when the entire world knows Al has final say in all things Raiders. I am not shocked at Al’s admission that he has a difficult time letting players leave, even when they are past their prime. But Al will never change and so I just have to cross my fingers and hope that Cable is the man to lead the team despite Al’s dysfunction.
What else can a fan do?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Also in this letter, Al is subliminally referring to Hall and Walker as bad moves by Kiffin. He tries to take credit for Gibril Wilson. Lol. He then says that Rob used Cover 2 defense against the donkeys. Can somebody explain to me why Rob didn’t bring that up to the media when he spoke to them for a long time after the donkey loss? Omg, this makes me frustrated. This is the second young, good coach we are letting go through our hands.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Shawn no coach in his right mind will get near Oakland.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
kiffin b!tched up after Al said no to kiffins daddy being defense coordinator.. Al already knew what time it was with kiffins punkass after he heard about kiffins interest in arkansas..
we’ll see what atiitude the players take but im sure their all happy and excited about playing under Tom Cable..
September 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Well its been fun, gotta go. Want to end on a positive note though. Whether you want Al Davis to step down or not, everyone of us in the Raider Nation can agree on one thing tonight: We want Tom Cable to kick a$$ and take names against the Saints.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I think Al Davis and Kiffin are both to blame, but it’s over now. For Lane, it was just business, he was not a Raider by far. Cable stated that he was Raider Fan long before coaching.
I’m just glad this sh*t is over, and we can finally play some ball with ease and WIN..Watch for the turnaround.
IN CABLE WE TRUST.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
plunkett:
Thats strange we just fired one and named another thats 2 in one day…..
Drunk?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Al wants to blast a coach for acting unprofessional in the very same breath he tells the press how Kiffin never wanted Russell!!! What did that accomplish? Childish…reads a letter saying how Kiffin needs to take responsibility for this team losing while at the same time tries to absolve any blame for himself by calling out all the mistakes this team made, BY NAME (Hall, Walker,) and saying it was all Kiffins decision…wasn’t kiffin already in the doghouse before Hall, Walker, etc, and not making any personnel decisions??
It’s true what they say…you begin as a child, you grow up to be an adult, then you grow old and become a child again.
Has Tom Cable been fired yet?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Funny how the writers always write stuff about the Raiders but when they get a chance to validate their writings in front of Mr. Davis, THEY all get real scared.
Mortensen was on espn bumbling about how he gets his source from a RAider exec. Al called Mortensen out in public. All Mort has to do is furnish the resignation letter that he has but he didnt even mention it. What a punk.
Jerry Mc…Can you now admit you were manipulated by the lame kitten.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3618948&categoryId=2378529
look at Kiff being classy and staying real, I dont care if what he did was true or not, he has shown more class and maturity to the media than Al Davis in 1 day.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Dakota:
I feel you bro!!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Dakota said it best. Can you say NO fallacy?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Shawn,
No coach with any nuts will work in such an environment.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I am sure your hero, Tim Brown, would agree.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
See the interview with Kiffin on BSPN. Congrats to Kiffin not falling for the PROPAGANDA from trey wingo towards the raiders.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Al looked everyone in the eye. He did not fake emotion or make stupid facial expressions to over emphasize emotion. His body language was smooth. He did not hesitate when answering questions.
All signs of speaking truthfully.
When Kiffin was on ESPN tonight, he took pauses before answering and looked down and to the left before answering every question. He also forced facial expressions. Also a lot of blinking and shoulder shrugging during his responses.
All signs of speaking untruthfully.
Al would not have done this if he did not have the evidence he needed to hang Kiffin.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Shawn,
Just because you coach for the Raiders does not mean you want to be there. Cable and Knapp needed a place to land after Atlanta. They were far from hot commodities.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Fromdabay wtf are you talking about? post 426
September 30th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Alisgod
So true. Today he was right there, fire away at the monster.
They sat on their hands knowing they had been manipulated by bad sources and reading other press releases.
What happened to journalism 101: be objective and factual.
So easy to distort the facts and kill the guy in the press, real fun.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
plunkett:
I think Tim Brown would coach here given the chance…
not sure why we are ever talking your contradict youself.
“no coach will want to come here.”
Raiders fire Lane Kiffin (coach a)
Raiders HIRE Tom He can say no Cable. (coachB)
Thats two coaches who DID COME HERE!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Al is an idiot. He should have hired monte and kept Lane. What a senile old fool!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I just watched Kitten on BSPN again and Trey Wingo was nailing him for the remarks about meeting with Al. All Kitten has to do is say ” I stand by my previous comments and I will leave it with my lawyers”…yet what he do…oh….I am not going to get into that. When someone call you out in public you defend yourself…unless you were a punk to begin with….
September 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Post 427: K-Rock
Good points, I took a class on Interrogation techniques once, and you are exactly right.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
So the underline question to ask……….Are we going to win with Cable?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Those of you who think Al came off well are too dumb even for this blog. He came off like the tragic and pathetic figure that he is. It will an entire decade before this franchise gets out of the gutter. Al will still have you lemmings stoned.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Plunkett, These guys did not have to come here if they did not want. Thats a lame excuse.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Just remember- IF Al had this “Letter” right after Denver, why the hell didn’t he send it then? Pure FKN BS!!!!!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
It’s almost too bad the 76 yd FG attempt against SD wasn’t blocked and/or returned for a Charger TD.
Then all of the idiots here now lamenting Lame Kiffin’s departure, would have been screaming for his dismissal at halftime.
Just in case wasting the two timeouts in Buffalo, or 2 passes in one half – didn’t convince you that Kiffin was an idiot and a sorry excuse for a coach – surely his decisions at the end of the first half against SD should have.
It’s unbelievable that people are defending Lame Quiffen. The guy was a joke.
Goodbye Lame, you will not be missed.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Post #435, Godwilling.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
K-Rock
Do you have a link,to the interview.
If not I can look tomorrow, little tired here tonight.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
That’s right. TRAGIC AND PATHETIC! SHOULD BE FIRED!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Nation collective chaos,
What about cable makes you think he can lead? O-line vs. HC? Big difference. He is not ready!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Kiffy is full of sh!t. Fuk him for putting us in this situation. He is NOW the ENEMY.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Nah I was just asking…..I asked if you guys think we could win….I never gave him my vote….
September 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Shawny,
Noone else wanted them? Why is your girl with you? She had no better choice…
September 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
we will be 1-15 this year, unless we manage to beat the chiefs again, 2-14 at best. Probably no better than 6-10 for the next decade, (or whenever Al dies)hopefully it happens before the next decade.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I hate that this drama has gotten this far, but just glad it’s over. I think Al has lost it though. No real coach would want to take on this mess. Kiffin screwed himself by airing laundry to the media, so that falls on him. Truth be told though, Al came off looking just as childish and petty as Kiffin. All it was, was a smear campaign to try and get his players and fans to like him since, for the most part, the players were behind Kiffin, per interviews from players such as Nnamdi. I’m so sick of the old man, for those of you people who think “Al is God” and all that BS, what is your spin in favor of Al for trading Gruden? Have you noticed that Al will smear all his coaches after they’re fired, saying it was the coach’s decision to draft a particular player that is a bust?? He’s just a childish little punk who is senile, egotistical and doesn’t even realize he has brought this once proud franchise to the laughingstock of the NFL.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Plunkett Post 346:
THen go find a new team you fugging pus$y. Leave the Raider Nation, you obviously can’t handle it anyway.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I can’t say I know about him, other then the fact that he is a bruin dogg…..and I can’t stand bruin doggs……but other then that, I know we can run the ball…….so the question is still out then…..can he lead us to the promise land and how long does he get to prove to the Raider Nation that he is the man?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Voldemort,
You speak the truth, but some of the tools on this blog will flame you for that type intelligent insight.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I don’t think AD is passing the blame on FA´s, he simply pointed out that Kiffin was a part of the process.
Kiffin said so himself last week: “I talked a lot of these players into coming here at some point — obviously, money has a lot to do with that — in free agency over the last two years”.
DeAngelo Hall said: “It’s been cool. Kiffin was a big part of me coming out here. He was the middle man between Al Davis and my agent, definitely a move he wanted to make on this team.”
September 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
RaiderFan, you praise Al Davis?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Its not a matter of loving or supporting AL at this point, its a matter of being an Oakland Raiders fan. Who gives a fuk about Kiffy at this point. ITS OVER.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
so what happens when Cable and Knapp reunite with Mora another new coach and system for Russell? see Alex Smith
September 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Einstein,
I can’t be a fan if I do not want to rim AL’s senile azz like you? Go paint yourself and look like an idiot in the black hole, tool!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Kiffin had this young team geared up for winning. I hope Cable can make an impact; however, after hearing Nhamdi state what we all could see from the style of play from the last three games, that the players were, indeed, behind Kiffin, I don’t see why the players would really give a sh*t any more. Way too much soap opera and not nearly enough football. The only positives out of all of this is that Cable seems to be highly respected amongst the O-Linemen and he does know his stuff… How this translates into “team” unity, only time will tell… We better march, convincingly, over The Saints or I’ve finally found a few free hours every week…
The Rams are abhorrent. That coach had to go… They won’t win a game this year; but they might have someone at the helm that will, at least, be around a few seasons. The Rams, in a sense, are getting ready for next season this season in Week Five. If Cable is unable to right the ship, he’s gone at the end of the year (to Seattle) and we’re right back to the same place we and the players know all too well… And we all know this place all too well.
Man… I just want to see some football and I’m tired of shellin’ out cash to Whiner fans…
September 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
#427, you are absolutely correct. You can always look at someone’s eyes and see how they move. When they move is when they are thinking how to respond “correctly”. When you speak the truth, you dont have to think. YOu just look dead on.
The kitten wanted out last year. He couldnt careless about us. Yet all these yoyo’s are crying. Crying for who 5-15 and Mr. rejected by ARkansas and Minn.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
I was really dissapointed to see Nnamdi look almost lost on the NFL Network, although it really seems like they are trying to make Cable seem like he is a good guy in the locker room…..Now I guess it is time to let the coordinators be coordinators and Tom Cable guide the way……I am truely lost right now, because I do not know about this guy to feel confident that our team will fall in line behind him, other then the fact that he might put some fear into them…..but we see where that got kiffin…….kind of a lose lose right now
September 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
How can ANY of us on this blog take you serious Voldemort for wishing Al Davis was dead?
That is just fugging juvenile. To wish someone was dead because YOU don’t agree how he is running the Raiders?
Jeez us man, take a step back and thing about what you are saying.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Plunkett:
Now your getting just plain stupid.
1) You use Marty S. early today and agree with him like he has a No spin view of the Raiders cause he loves this org.
2) You say no coach will come here yet we just had one fired and then hired another WELL RESPECTED coach.
3) Your contradict yourself with everything you say now you have to talk about my girl, can’t use the one brain cell so make it personal…..
3)
September 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
100 percent behind Al on this one…Raider Fans, don’t let the media make you mind up for you..
the old man spoke form the heart to me and sounded like he was speaking the absolute turth..not saying I didn’t like Kiffin, but he gave off the spoiled, arrogant vibe from the jump..I think a lot of us just really wanted to like him, but deep down we know he wasn’t Raider material…
Al made the right call, and all you people who want to sell tickets to the games and want out (SPINELESS) email me, I want your tix….
September 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
NCC
Let me answer your question the way I saw him speak today.
I know speaking well doesn’t mean success, your actions and your record will determine how good of a coach you are.
My comparison is not to be as a look a like only the personality he has.
He looks and sounds like a young Bill Parcells during his NY Giants tenure.
Strong personality, gruff, matter of fact and gets yourattention right away.
Will he win, let’s see what happens.
I like the personality traits, that’s a start.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Shawny,
I am sure your girl looks like she has been hit with a bag of nickels, because Ugly chicks end up with morons. Also Marty was right. get past your hate, because we are a laughing stock of a franchise. I am not in denial. When Al is dead things will get better.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
POST#10
YO SOY FANATICO DE LOS RAIDERS NO DE KIFFIN
September 30th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Nnamdi looked lost..lol
understand they are in the media, on a national stage, and unlike Lane, Nnamdi realizes that some things have to stay in house.you probably think the U.S will be better off with Sarah Palin, right?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Plunkett:
Dumb people on this blog start insulting when they know they are over matched.
Check mate.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Cable is not a respected HC candidate, see Idaho 2000-2003.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Al mentioned something about Amy Trask ending up with a part of the team along with Mark Davis.
I wonder how Carol and Mark feel about that?
September 30th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Those asking for links to the Kiffin response…
I have not seen it on the net. It is on ESPN News every 15 freakin minutes though.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
#438, Richard you are so naive. In the state of California, you have to have given warning and before you fire them. Al can’t run to the press with this letter unless he gives Kitten time to adjust to his warnings. That is HR 101. Al didnt want to pay the kid so he needed cause to fire that punk and legally not pay him.
Don’t be so naive man. Al, the schemer, was working with his attorneys to make sure they cross their T’s and dot their I’s before they can LEGALLY not pay him.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
post 448 rager…..gruden wanted out, he had enough and wanted to be near his older ailing parents in florida….and I was a huge chuckey fan….al blew it by not locking him long term before it became apperent he was the bomb, and gruden used his leverage wisely by saying it would be his last year. no twist there…the trade actually seemed like one hell of a deal untill chuckey killed us in the sb lol
September 30th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Raider Fan……….Why do you believe him so much? What has he ever done for you to give him a hall pass? I think some of what he said today might have been true, but the smear campaign was the most rediulous thing he could have done. Here he is in front of the WORLD calling Kiffin out, and its ok? Yet Kiffin cant call him out, cause he is being young and juvenile? Just because you have notes documenting things you objectively see as being insubordinate, does not mean that Kiffin does not have things that the tyrant did or said that he will not use against him.
Here is the thing, take the high road and done talk down on him. He could have done that, but he decided to play on the same playing field as Kiffin and it shows that he has lost that touch with who he was. He is a ghost of his past!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Nnamdi said guys (players) respected Lane because they know his number one goal was to change things and change the losing.
Nuff said for me.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
That is why you attacked me first. You are the quintessential Raider Fan that gives us all a bad name. Myopic blindly loyal imbeciles like you still believe AL is on the cutting edge of pro football. How bad does it have to get until you quit shooting tongue darts up AL’s AZZ.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
“A laughingstock of a franchise”..
the most cliched term used in sports..
so I guess all those Jets, Bengals, Lions, Chiefs and Cardinals teams from the ’80’s up till now are wayy ahead of the game, right..?
A lot of media members have favorite sports teams as well, and honestly they love to hate the Raiders because their teams could never beat them…
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I can’t stand Shannarat but Al Davis ripped him off for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now, this letter, IMO is just a precursor to a multimillion ripoff of Kiffen. I am not taking sides because I questioned some of Kiffen’s moves but Al is being a slimy businessman with this letter. And to think, Kiffen is aobut to have his third child. Who is gonna feed those kids? It was supposed to be Al! Al is getting what he deserves. Imagine if he let Shannahan develop the raiders they way he developed the Broncos teams. Imagine that.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Plunkett:
man not even sure why I am wasting my time.
Cable is looked at as one of THEE best o-line coaches in the NFL, so go to sleep give it a rest come back tomorrow, think of some more insults and try to act smart for the sake of us all.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Dakota
You should be happy Trask will be a co-owner. Maybe she will move the team to your neck of the woods.
The stadium deals here may go nowhere.
How does the SOUTH DAKOTA RAIDERS sound.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
462,I,as a season ticket holder ,will join with you ,ideas?Anyone who goes home crying,get over it,raider nation will kick ass!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Yeah, Al “looked” straight ahead into the eyes of those in the room? Hell, he didn’t even know who was in the room! Kif could have been in row 1 and Alice would have taken a media question from him. The game and living life has past the dumbass up! Al, you’re as pathetic as your shoulder pads (quote from “the Snake’) in your jackets and the walker you’re shuffling around with!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
If Kiffin wanted to be here he would have just shut up and coached the team, and then been re-evaluated at the end of the season.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Hellllllllo Laaaaaaadies! I see the circle jerk is still going on. Choakland is a combination of the View, Peyton Place and the Jerry Springer show. I can’t believe that some of you girlz are buying into greazy al’s propaganda. But then it’s been known throughout the land that the fadersz are nothing but a bunch of sheeple. Up until the 80’s I can see why some of you sheeple might have bought into slime ball’s BS but good gawd sheeple it’s a new millenium and time to let go of the past. I have to admit I was shocked to see that greaze ball could still talk. Last time I saw him on MNF his lap rag couldn’t hold the drool coming out of his mouth. Someone must have given the old coot an adreneline shot or someone is a fantastic puppet master. Think it was Cable pulling the strings? To those of you who realize that slime ball is the problem with the fader nashun, my hat goes off to you. For those of you that think syph face is still king let me know what funny farm they send you to and I’ll send you highlight reels of the faderz next win in the year 2020.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Plunkett:
Your the fan that became a fan cause your liked the colors.
Go jump on Martys bandwagon.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
The real Plunkett is a loyal Raider. Loyal to this day.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Raider Dell Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Dakota
You should be happy Trask will be a co-owner. Maybe she will move the team to your neck of the woods.
The stadium deals here may go nowhere.
How does the SOUTH DAKOTA RAIDERS sound.
________________________________________________
Rapid City Raiders has a ring to it.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I believe Al, someone who has a lot more NFL experience and is a Hall of Famer, rather than some college QB coach who couldn’t get the “O” down the field enuff with his conservative azz playcalling…
AND MEMO to you Gruden fans…
same thing..Al basically told Gruden to stop “dinking and dunking” down the field and attack thsoe guys…you have Tim Brown and Jerry Rice and the league’s No. 1 rushing attack..attack and blow their azz out..!
But Gruden wanted to dink and dunk and play the time of possession game
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
You know what Snake, I forgot the whole thing with his brother, my bad. Either way, there are still a lot of decisions Al has made that were not good and he’ll try and cover his @ss. I’m just so sick of the constant drama that seems to revolve around here. I’m not sold on Cable as HC material, but I think he’s one helluva OL coach (think Norv Turner characteristics). Anyhow, thanks for the refresher on the Gruden saga, that reminds me of why I hated Chucky lol
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Plunkett Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Myopic blindly loyal imbeciles
————————————————-
Just ignore this fool. This is that chocolate rain myopian jerk off that runs his mouth in hre. Just ignore him. He is a troll just tyring to piss us off.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Kiffin wasn’t a great coach, closer to average….but he did make some changes for the good and had a chance to be a good coach.
You poor souls who fall for the same old trick from Al Davis…White, Bugel, Gruden, Turner, Callaghan, Shell, Kiffin…excitement now that things would turn around after each one was hired after the last “loser” was fired, about how the winning would start….now cable, what a joke.
Meanwhile teams with the same coaches that have been in place for years go on to win superbowls…
September 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Shawny,
You waste your time, because you have no life. I am sure you caught wood when Al was pontificating about the great players he signed and his desire to win. You are too ignorant to see that the Raiders are a punch line, because of Grandpa Al. As long as Al can sift through the White Trash pile and find fans like you then then he will believe that 20-65 is not really happening.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Here is the link to Kiffs Statement…..
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?categoryId=2378529&brand=null&videoId=3618948&n8pe6c=2
September 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
lol@ all the haters wanting al to die soon read post 396…..Al states, I get cked 4 times a year, im great lol
nite all fking crazy day, one thing for sure davis cant hold a hour long press conference fulla lies, the media hates his azz…and respect it, thats why they all steer wide. he had his case made for him…kiffin got screwed day one with no owner support, then wanted out…loyalty always #1 with the tyrant lol
September 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
post 468,What were kiffins rec for the job?At least Cable was,HC,OC,far more than kiffie
September 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Plunkett:
Go to sleep, we are all board with you.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I mean, look at the Chargers..what have they really won?
Their fans come into OUR blog because of the beatings they took from our great franchise over the years, and they get a few wins in a row against us and crow about it. Seriously, when as Raider fans have we ever felt so “fired up” about a Chargers win, no matter how many in a row?
no real point in the current discussion, I just wanted to say this…
September 30th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Shawny,
I like to be insulted in proper English. Did you get grammar in the special ed. trailer? You probably rode the short bus with a Raider Helmet and a drool catcher.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
I see,nation collective is out in little force,all hiding behind bogus handles,losers
September 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Jeez us Plukett. Fugging go away you jerk off. Your credibility is SHOT. So just get the fuk out of here you moron.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
AO Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
RaiderFan, you praise Al Davis?
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I praise Al Davis when praise is due and I bash him when that’s deserved too.
Al deserves alot of criticism. He was the one that hired Kiffin. He has to be held accountable for all the horrendous personnel decisions. I blame Al for drafting stiffs like Gallery and Grove and not assembling an offensive line that can pass protect. I blame Al for every wasted draft pick and poor free agent signing. The Raiders have sucked for the past 5 years and no one deserves the blame more than Al Davis.
That being said, I’m from the old school. I remember when the Raiders were great and a Superbowl contender every year. I remember when the Raiders were mavericks that made the mantra ‘Just win, baby’, a reality and when there really was a silver and black mystique.
And I know Al Davis was the driving force behind all those years of excellence.
For that reason alone, I will never throw Mr. Davis under the bus. That’s called Raider Pride and loyalty.
Lame Quiffin was an idiot. His clock management alone proved that. Why anyone is upset that he’s gone is beyond me.
Criticize Davis all you want. He deserves the heat for the current sorry state of the Raiders. But don’t insult the intelligence of realistic Raider fans by crying about Lame Kiffin’s departure. Kiffin was a joke.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Ouestion for “CHRISCO”..
How many SuperBowls did Belicheck win in Cleveland…?
You need good players and a good coach to win..
just like it was mentioned earlier, what team without any stars or mediocre players ever won the Superbowl?
NONE
September 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
NEW POST
September 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
RaiderFan in Oakland Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
I believe Al, someone who has a lot more NFL experience and is a Hall of Famer, rather than some college QB coach who couldn’t get the “O” down the field enuff with his conservative azz playcalling…
AND MEMO to you Gruden fans…
same thing..Al basically told Gruden to stop “dinking and dunking” down the field and attack thsoe guys…you have Tim Brown and Jerry Rice and the league’s No. 1 rushing attack..attack and blow their azz out..!
But Gruden wanted to dink and dunk and play the time of possession game
So isn’t that what we are trying to do now….Do you hold onto leads by throwing the ball 70 yerds every play and stop the clock on incompletions? No you play to extend the drives and “keep the defense off the field”…..I thought that is what most of the complainers of his offense in here say?Gruden ran the offense that stayed on the field. Dinking and Dunking it may have been, and it won us the AFC West and the got us deep in the playoffs for the years he was here…….
September 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Plunkett:
Then you would know that you don’t spell english with a capital E at the end of a sentance smart guy.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
RaiderFan:
Al admitted it, and accepted the criticism, and expects it. But he even stated its over.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Einstein go back to the basement. Your mom is calling.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Kiffin= terrible time clock management
September 30th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
ALisgod- point taken- Nnamdi sure sounds like this was a BS move. Al said, “We will win,……We will win…” have’t heard THAT in the last 5-6 years.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
The nation is divided so much now, we need to come together and support our team. The Lane Kiffin Era is over, we need to worry about what we are right now. Kiff is the past y’all. Tom Cable is now.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
#471. Agree wit u. Al was probably goin over everything wit his lawyers. Maybe that’s why the press conference started so late.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Nation Collective-Chaos is right- dink and dunk may seem boring, but by now 3 more SB rings would be a hell of alot better than going on another coach!
September 30th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Over the years Mr. Davis as been running this storied club into the ground. A few years back the LA Dodgers had Milton Bradley on the team and one night during a game he went out of control on the field and dugout. Vin Scully on the air said that “Bradley has lost it”…Change the name…”Al has lost it” Coach Mike in Denver has taken pleasure in kicking the crap out of Oakland for years and Kiffin will do the same with another team… this club has turned into the “BLACK EYE of the NFL”
September 30th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Chrisco Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Meanwhile teams with the same coaches that have been in place for years go on to win superbowls…
………………….
Who would that be?
Giants, Eagles, Colts, Patriots, Broncos coaches have been around awhile, but who else?
Steelers – HC’s 2nd season
Chargers – HC’s 2nd season
Cowboys – HC’s 2nd season
Redskins – HC’s 1st season
Ravens – New Coach
Saints – HC’s 3rd season
Who are these long term coaches that keep winning Superbowls?
Bill with the Pats is really the only one I can think of.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
ShawnRaiders81 Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Plunkett:
Now your getting just plain stupid.
1) You use Marty S. early today and agree with him like he has a No spin view of the Raiders cause he loves this org.
2) You say no coach will come here yet we just had one fired and then hired another WELL RESPECTED coach.
3) Your contradict yourself with everything you say now you have to talk about my girl, can’t use the one brain cell so make it personal…..
3)
I don’t respect Cable as a HC. He might be a decent line coach but there has to be a reason that his only gig as a HC was with Idaho. NO ONE WANTED HIM AS A HC, EXCEPT YOUR SENILE PAPPY. How many REAL coaches do you think will be knocking at grease balls door when the season is over? Be honest now!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Kiffin will coach KC next year—I mean it.
The letter was written by Trask I’ll bet. She may think that cover 2 is something you get at Bed Bath and Beyond, but she is a good lawyer.
Is anyone bothered that Al was so intent on not paying Kiffin that he was willing to tank the beginning of the season with all these distractions to save $4 mil. And this after pissing away all the money on Javon Walker. What the hell is going on? If this were the sixties again, I would swear this was one big LSD trip.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
RaiderFan,
Exactly…Belichick learned to be a good coach through experience and then found a solid organization that was willing to back his gameplan for success…unlike the Raiders who have to look for a coach who will actually take the job and then tell him to execute his gameplan with a bunch of left over parts from previous coaches regimes…the raiders don’t have a chance to keep good players or good coaches with Al running the show b/c they all bolt for the door nowadays.
Don’t forget Al offered the HC job to Sean Payton a few years back and he said no thanks, now look at him…if you think Kiffin was bad, just wait til you see the reaches Al brings in once Cable is fired…no one with a bright football future will ever take this job while Al is in charge.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
scumbag,turncoats,collective sh-t disturbers,good nite,dont let the AL bite!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
buster Says:
September 30th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
scumbag,turncoats,collective sh-t disturbers,good nite,dont let the AL bite!
and his name is buster folks…he will be here all week!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I’m so sick of all you supposed Raider fans calling our new coach “retarded”, and talking about how you wish Al Davis would just die. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
You guys have stuck with this team for the past six years and NOW you want to sell out because the face of the Raiders and one of the NFL’s greatest figures of all time, dared to fire some punk from USC who has had NO RAIDER LOYALTY and wanted to leave anyway, and was USING US AND YOU to pad his resume, and mind you blew 7 4th quarter leads in 2 years, and you guys want to take HIS side??? Are u guys frickin’ kidding me?
Show some respect for an NFL hall of famer. Some respect for the guy who created this team you CLAIM you love, some godd%am respect for a guy who wants to win as much as we all do…AL FREAKIN’ DAVIS.
Sure take a guy like Lane Kiffins word over the man who brought us 5 Super Bowl appearences and the last one only 6 years ago. Go ahead and follow the great Lane Kiffins career. Have fun with it. I’m stickin it out, NOT seeling out for some geek who could care less about Raider tradition or anything else Raider. How could you guys take his side over Al Davis? Where is your loyalty?
Quit talking about ow we suck and how we’ll never win and all that crap and let’s get excited about what’s coming next, or go buy your Chiefs hat becuz I could care less.
AL FREAKIN DAVIS. I’M IN!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Can’t wait to see what Cable does. He was my favorite. Even though the Alameda paper said Brian was.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
[...] Oakland Tribune has the letter Al Davis recently sent to Lane [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
post519,yes SIR,got to give COACH CABLE a chance,we will be rewarded with this choice,cant wait for no/bush/brees
September 30th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
[...] Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis: “I sent (Lane Kiffin) a letter…. If you’ll bare with me, it’s about three pages.” [...]
September 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
#519 “What the hell is wrong…” Wake up! 5 coaches in 6 years is whats wrong! And FREAKIN AL DAVIS knows how to pick a coach? Whatever. I’ll be at the OAC Coliseum loyally. If Alice could only remember is that tomorrow.. next week, Sunday, Saturday,….. he didn’t even remember whether he was talking about “yesterday” or some other day. Reeaaalll nice!
September 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Brien just called,says he will be working with the Oline,has some pointers for Grove,Harris,and Gallery.Cant wait for NOrleans,kick that a-s
September 30th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
#519 “please show some respect for a hall of famer”. Hall of fame BSer for the last 5 years.
September 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
K-Rock,
not sure how far back you went for those teams and I’m not sure I explained properly, how many Head coaches have won in their first 2 years as a head coach or in just 2 years with a single team…not many, only 2 since 1990 have won SB with less than 2 years HC experience;
year – coach – years w SB team – years as a HC in NFL
07 – Coughlin – 4th yr – 12 yrs as HC
06 – Dungy – 5th – 11 yrs as HC
05 – Cowher – 14th yr
04 – Belichick – 5th yr – 10yrs as HC
03 – Belichick – 4th yr – 9yrs as HC
02 – Gruden – 1st yr – 5th as HC (Oops #3 Al.)
01 – Belichcik – 2nd yr – 7yrs as HC
00 – Billick – 2nd yr
99 – Vermeil – 3rd yr – 10yr as HC
98 – Shanahan – 3rd yr – 5yrs as HC(Oops again Al.)
97 – Shanahan – 2nd yr – 4yrs as HC (Oops Al.)
96 – Holmgren – 5th yr
95 – Switzer – 2nd (handed keys to a SB team.)
94 – Seifert – 6th yr
93 – Johnson – 5th yr
92 – Johnson – 4th yr
91 – Gibbs – 11th yr.
90 – Parcells – 8th yr.
September 30th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Not defending Al Davis, who has been a terrible owner for the last 10 years, but giving negative press releases about your organization should get you fired. If you are unhappy, you resign; you dont gossip in a way that insults the managment.
If you dont beleive me, give it a run at your current place of work and see how it works our for you.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Al Davis is the worst owner in all of the NFL he should either die or sell the team because he has no clue on how to run a NFL team anymore. The facts are that you have had 4 new coaches in 6 years. What issues does he have???
September 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Al Davis loves The Raiders more than any of you clowns do.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:03 am
How do you like the Coach killers? Last 2 teams The Bills have played have fired their coach.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:22 am
Ok first of all kiffin was not problem. Yes he might be a little conservitive with calling the plays but still look at what he did in one year with this team. Art shell brought this team down and kiffin revived it. Al has fired so many coaches that i lost count, the problem is not the coaches it Al, he doesn’t give the head coach any authority, and yet he is making up excuses saying that kiffin had all the authority as a head coach, are you kidding me, this is freakin Al Davis were talking about here, everyone knows Al makes all the calls. Personally I hope kiffin finds another job and be sucessful with it so he can show Al Davis what a retard he is for letting him go. The letter totally sounds made up, he was just pulling S*** out of his a** to make himself look good in the press, hell he could never look good if even tried wrinkly bastard. Plus this makes it harder for Jamarcus because he now has to pretty much start all over again thanks to Al. I don’t think Al thought this through pretty well, he is hurting the organization more than helping it. I’m a huge raiders fan and don’t get me wrong but with this happening i think were in for another double digit losing season again.
October 1st, 2008 at 12:43 am
I don’t know who typed/wrote that “letter”, but whoever it was was either senile and demented, or completely unprofessional.
With so many ridiculous typos, I find it hard to believe someone got paid to do that. More like Crazy Al just decided to type it up last minute and hasn’t heard of spell checker.
Course, he’s so old, I’m surprised he even knows about computers.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:01 am
That letter was made rather hastily and explicitly for the press. Does Al Davis believe the public to be a bunch of fools? Does he expect this letter to serve as an article of evidence of cause? Yes and yes! Regardless, old man Al is the one who is the fool in the eye of the people, including Raider Nation.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:58 am
Until Davis gives it up and lets someone else have a little say.. The raiders will suck which in that case Al live till your 150
October 1st, 2008 at 6:06 am
5 coaches in the last 6 years! You all have problems and it starts from the top. I don’t care whose lying or not, there is a pattern of disfunctional relationships between Al and his head coaches. Has it been the head coahes every time? Why doesn’t any other franchise have this pattern? In the NFL, if you don’t perform then you lose your job, but were not talking about performance. Has any head coach for the Raiders gotten along with Al Davis? I’m just saying that he might just be the issue.
October 1st, 2008 at 6:12 am
How can anyone believe what al davis said in his press conference. You have had previous coach’s wanting out because he meddled to much and they had no say in what players they wanted not to mention how he treats his players when they disagree with him. examples of this would be Marcus Allen and John Grudden. I don’t see any proven Coach in the NFL wanting to take the HC job as long as al davis is running the team. One of the things that good teams have is a good chemistry among the players and coachs and that will more than likely not happen when a coach has his coaching staff and players forced on him. To say that Kiffen had any real say in what players were brought in I don’t believe. Yes he could say yes he wants this person or no he doesn’t but in the end al will do what he wants even if that goes against what his Head Coach wants.
October 1st, 2008 at 6:30 am
Why is it that every time Al Davis fires a coach, he makes it seem as if the problem is all the fault of the coach? The Raiders have been terrible for a long time. The only constant in that time is Al Davis. The problem with the Raiders is not Lane Kiffin, or any other coach (except clueless Art Shell). The enduring problem is Al Davis. But he will never admit it. That is why the Raiders won’t improve until he is somehow out of the picture. The next news conference is on the clock. You know, the one where Al Davis blames the Raiders’ problems on Tom Cable.
October 1st, 2008 at 7:30 am
I liked what Kiffen was doing . He had us playing hard & we had to just learn how to closeout games. As far as Davis goes, he hired this man then denied hiring him then went as far to write Kiffen resignation letter so if anyone hurt this team it was him & his tactics. WE ARE A GOOD TEAM JUST LET US PLAY RAIDER FOOTBALL !!!!!!!!!!!
October 1st, 2008 at 8:30 am
If you take what AD says as the truth, and I tend to take more of what he has said in the interview than what Kiffin has said, he has reason to fire Kiffin. Now, most in the media have been on Kiffins side of this but it is Kiffins responsibility to talk to the owner. That is his boss. I had the same type of situation in my past job where I didn’t get along with my boss and I didn’t communicate with him and it ended up costing me my job. When I look back on that time, I realize that I was in the wrong for not taking responsibility for my own action and opening up lines of communication with the man who was paying my salary. Kiffin should have made more of an effort to do that and not been so immature about this.
How much authority did he expect to have as a brand new coach with no track record? Did he really think he was on the same level as a Belichic or Parcells? He had a losing record. Sure, the players liked him but he made coaching/time management mistakes that cost the team wins. That cannot be overlooked. I know that he will be a better coach because of it and I think AD said that he knew Kiffin would make some of these mistakes but was going to overlook them because he had faith that he would learn from them.
I think AD did the right thing by bringing this into the media because it can shed some much needed light on this subject. Lets get it all out on the table. The Raiders and AD have taken a lot of heat for not being media friendly in the past. This is what you wanted. Eat it up.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:50 am
Can someone post a link of the full interview with Al Davis and the Media? I didn’t see it and I would like to see the whole thing. Thanks
October 1st, 2008 at 8:50 am
I can’t believe what I just witnessed yesterday, like I have said before Mr. Davis doesnt talk this whole time throughout these couple of months and when he talks he messes it all up. Not only do we not have a proven coach but we also have a owner who is desperate. Even if it were true about Lane Kiffin which I really doubt it was true, but if it were true he should not have fired him that way. Espn did a segment last night of coaches and players that have been let go by Mr. Davis and where they have been after the firing, and they have done very well for themselves. Come on Mr. Davis you dont expect us to believe that Kiffin did all the decision making. Everybody know that you make all the shots in this organization. You have embarrassed all you loyal raider fans yesterday with what you did. Kiffin was headed in the right direction, if it was his call he would have had his dad in our side calling defense, but no we kept ryan who has blown the past two games. Not Kiffin. He showed that he was improving our team, with what he had, meaning with what Mr. Davis gave him. I think the next firing should be the owner, and all the raiders fans vote on his firing,because we are the owners of Mr.Davis. In my eyes YOUR FIRED MR.DAVIS!!! If we put up a projector with a powerpoint about your mess ups we would be here all day.That was a low blow about Jamarcus Russell and how kiffin didnt want him, kiffin kept it low key, just like every coach, it was clear when you would hear kiffin talking that he wanted jamarcus russell. Mr. Davis you have embarrassed your fans. You put Cable in a situation where he knows he’s not going to produce like a head coach because the season has started. I hope cable does a really good job not for you but for his loyal fans. As for kiffin he was a good coach and was only going to get better, kiffin is going to get his money,just watch, and he’s going to take a nfl coaching position and just our luck its going to be Kansas City Chiefs postion, and hes going to ram it down our throats because of our old clueless leader,Mr.Davis.
October 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
I have never known Al Davis to lie when he speaks. I am not so sure about Kiffin not wanting Jamarcus Russell though. Kiffin did say at last seasons ending press confrence that Jamarcus Russell would be the starting quarterback. It all makes sense that Kiffin was going to Arkansas. Kiffin now will at best be an offensive coordinator for a few years because he did lie about things. If I were head coach, I think everytime Al would try to meddle in my plan, I would be like damn it Al, what the hell. The Raiders are actually a good football team too. I think they will play just as hard for Cable as they did for Kiffin. I just hope we can get more than 6 wins this season.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:18 am
Man…the old man does look like the Emperor.
It sucks that he will be in charge until he passes basically…he said it himself. Now the only way this franchise gets turned around completely is when he his son takes over…and even Davis said his son has no interest in football, just the business side of things.
So that means if Mark Davis inherits the team one of two things will most likely happen.
1. He cleans house and HIRES a GM and head of player personnel and hires a whole new scouting department and then they can make all the decisions.
2. He sells the team to someone who will make the necessary changes to get this organization and team back on track.
October 1st, 2008 at 10:19 am
Norv Turner still stinks…the only reason why Turner is doing well supposedly is because the Dolts have far more TALENT and they have LT!
Turner SUCKS as a HC!
October 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am
DJOHNNYG,
What has the old man done for this franchise the last 5 years??
NOTHING but embarassment…the old man doesn’t know when to just LET IT GO!
Stop being a Davis LapDog!
October 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am
prudog45 Says:
October 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
The record speaks for itself 5-15, 11 loses going into the fourth quarter,with leads, this sh&& was above Kiff’s head he just could not adjust in game situations , so GET HIS A## OUTTA HUR”””””GO RAAAIIIDDASS , let’s see what Tom Cable can bring to the table, if the same results continue GET HIS A%% OUTTA HUR”””””
October 1st, 2008 at 11:53 am
How do we as Raiders expect to believe the mess that is going on it’s like the congress.Look I been here a Raiders fan since 1972 and back then it was for the love of the game now it money. We have to look at the situation we have leads and we still make mistakes that kills us. Deangelo Hall First game late hits we was already beat.And the offense is scoring with the Kiffin sceme. But with all the talent on defense we can’t stop the ball they {San Deigo} scored 25pts in less than 7min. now we could not stop the run before Kiffin came and who was the defensive coach ROB RYAN, he is not his Dad or His brother. So when Kiffin as to fire him he was right. I think Mr Davis Hired Lane Kiffin and after that Mr Marty Shotimer became available and it was too late so he then. Keep Ryan so Kiffin would fail and he get rid of him and try and get a legit coach. Bad Mangement. So Kiffin was doing good but these guys are getting paid and not producing Hall,Walker and the front line give up too many sacks and who we now have as a head coach the offensive line coach scrap another year. I am a true fan but like congress Mr Davis what about the fans? Remember the days we pound the ball and we demanded respect with fear today if you go around some of the old receivers and just say Jack Tatum they wet there pants. Now it’s pretty boys there was only one Deion Sanders. So lets get physical. Or I am out of Raider Nation until!!!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
You know I was an Al Davis basher too, until I heard what he had to say. He was thinking the same thing I was thinking and have been thinking the past two weeks. Stop hand-cuffing the best arm in the league!! The guy can heave for 60yds. off his back foot!!!! At least try to air it out. And the waning seconds of the first half of the game against the Chargers was the perfect opportunity to do so. Instead we kicked a 75 yard field goal???? WTF? Let Russell do what he came here to do. If you are one of those Faux fans and you say we don’t have the recievers, look at Favre he threw six TD’s last week. And he did it with WORSE recivers than what we have with the exception of Cotchery. Favre just makes nobodies into viable threats. It can be done!! And from what I have seen Russell has the arm to do it. Kiffin, though I liked him, was too conservative for me. Throw the damn ball. See what the kid can do. And for God’s sake get McFadden more involved. He can do a lot of things. I surely hope we didn’t draft him to run between the tackles. We have backs for that. McFadden can offer another recieving threat if utilized correctly. Kiffin failed to do that. Hopefully Cable will realize that we CAN win right now!!! But McFadden’s role will have to change slightly to do it. Somehow I don’t think he would have a problem with that. You would think Kiffin(being an OC at USC) could have used McFadden similar to the way he used Reggie Bush in the Trojan offense but no. These are the things that can get us over the hump. I can’t be the only one who sees it…
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