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No sign of Burgess

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 1:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Defensive end Derrick Burgess, fresh off his first practice since Oct. 6, was not with the defensive line Thursday as the Raiders concluded warmups and drills and were about to begin team sessions.

Burgess has missed five games with a torn right triceps.

Quarterback JaMarcus Russell and running back Darren McFadden were both on the field after being limited Tuesday. Backup quarterback Andrew Walter was suited up after sitting out the previous day.

Center Jake Grove was not on the field, while linebacker Ricky Brown was present but did not appear to be practicing.

Justin Miller, the cornerback and return specialist claimed off waivers from the New York Jets, was fielding kickoffs during special teams practice, as was Hiram Eugene.

More to come later . . .

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  • Ryan

    1st

  • Skullboarder

    Maybe fargas will remember what Miami is like this week and tear it up!

  • Ryan

    Going to game this weekend in Miami, hope to see Dmac play, would be nice

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Burgess probably doesn’t want to play anyway. We already know Wilson doesn’t.

  • Quagmire’d

    I think Miami will play us tough, they’re a much better team with something to prove considering we beat them last season.

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Any team will play us tough. Our offense is worse than the B&B breakfast from Tom Walsh.

  • Quagmire’d

    With Cable and Knapp out at season’s end who do you envision the Raiders begging to be HC? Rathman? I hope not.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    draft tim tebow
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    Tim Tebow plays the same type of “Street Ball” that the SEC and Big 12 play. When I say street ball I mean the equivalent of what the “And 1 Mixed Tape Tour” is to the NBA. ON AVERAGE the better QBs come from undermanned programs in the BCS, or non-BCS. I am increasingly becoming convinced of this.

    This is why Russell is struggling. Years of playing “street ball” at LSU is lengthening his adjustment time. I think players that come from lesser programs, without gimmick playbooks, have smaller margin for error and that helps their overall game.

    No thanks to Tim Tebow, Pat Herrel, Colt McCoy or that guy in Missourah. Saying their names is like saying you want “Hot Sauce” to man the point for the Lakers!

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • Quagmire’d

    Tom Walsh? Gosh I miss that guy.

  • Hell Raiderrrs

    Who would want to play for them. If we were winning games I bet Burgess would have been back alot sooner. None of these guys want to be here.

  • Stop the Ignorance

    I truly have no idea. Our options are definitely limited, though. Kiffin was what, the 229th choice? Not sure who wants to coach here anymore. This organization sh1ts down the throats of it’s coaches.

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Davis should just coach it himself. Get him down there on the sideline in a hovaround.

  • dikembesaysno

    I’d like to see him use a segway, with a helmet of course, safety first!

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Hell Raiderrrs Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Who would want to play for them. If we were winning games I bet Burgess would have been back alot sooner. None of these guys want to be here.
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    Exactly. Can you imagine what the locker room environment is like? Probably like a morgue. Either that or it’s one big party since all the players know they’re getting paid their millions for just showing up.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    S&B

    Jay Cutler came out of Vanderbilt, an SEC team, no?

  • Stop the Ignorance

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    I’d like to see him use a segway, with a helmet of course, safety first!
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    LOL – you just gave me a picture of Davis on a segway jammin across the field to argue a call with the officials. LMAO!!

  • Quagmire’d

    Lol…only problem with Al coaching is he’ll never fire himself. He could make history though and be the first to die on the job.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    From ESPN,
    “Let’s see: Since taking over as interim coach of the Raiders, Tom Cable has taken the play calling away from offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. The result has been four losses in five games, and the Raiders have been outscored 70-13 in the first halves of the past five games. Under former coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders outscored opponents 30-24 in the first half, but they had trouble closing out games. Under Cable, the Raiders get off to horrible starts and can’t recover.”
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    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • Hell Raiderrrs

    You know guys like Burgess are telling they buddies around the league that they will except league minimum if there team offers up a trade for him in the off season. Just to get the hell out.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    S&B

    Jay Cutler came out of Vanderbilt, an SEC team, no?
    =====================================================
    I said “ON AVERAGE the better QBs come from undermanned programs in the BCS, or non-BCS. I am increasingly becoming convinced of this.”

    I consider Vanderbilt to be an undermanned program. Cutler had little to work with as far as talent at Vandy compared to what Tebow, and Russell, had at Florida and LSU respectively.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    S&B

    Peyton Manning went to Tennessee, a SEC school, no?

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Lol…only problem with Al coaching is he’ll never fire himself. He could make history though and be the first to die on the job.
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    LOL – True. As punishment, he should be forced to coach this team, then get fired 1 year into it, before he can even see his system/coaching begin to take shape. ‘How do you like it Al? Why didn’t you take this team to the SuperBowl in 1 year?’

  • lefty12

    for the most part the players give their all every game.they realize they are not only playing for this year,but for their future also.Burgess has always been a slacker.except for 1 year,he has had a lingering injury every year.he is exactly the type of player we should purge from our team.

  • http://raiderclassics It Was a Fumble

    Actually Peyton Manning and Eli Manning both came from SEC schools. Maybe you’ve heard of those guys. They seem to be doing OK.

  • dikembesaysno

    Lefty,

    And for the most part Javon Walker has been really “bringin it lately.”

  • Brien

    Old man stop collecting unemployment checks from the state.

  • dikembesaysno

    You want an example of a player to purge, use Walker, not Burgess.

  • lefty12

    i didn’t defend Walker.there are always rules to the exception.Walker and Burgess are the same except Burgess has ability and refuses to use it .Walker is done.

  • lefty12

    both-and anyone else like them.

  • Stop the Ignorance

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    From ESPN,
    “Let’s see: Since taking over as interim coach of the Raiders, Tom Cable has taken the play calling away from offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. The result has been four losses in five games, and the Raiders have been outscored 70-13 in the first halves of the past five games. Under former coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders outscored opponents 30-24 in the first half, but they had trouble closing out games. Under Cable, the Raiders get off to horrible starts and can’t recover.”
    ———————————————–
    Where’s the Commissioner?
    ______________________________________________________

    S&B – Thanks, but the promoters don’t want to be bothered with facts. Since Cable has taken over, it’s been ugly, no doubt. But they don’t care. Who cares that the offense under Cable is 80 yards per game worse than Kiffin’s (with the same players) and 20 yards per game worse then Tom Walsh? Who cares that this team now gets outplayed from the starting whistle. They sure don’t. It’s all Kiffin’s fault. He ruined it for everyone by being brutally honest in the media. Blame him.

    Keep on keepin’ on, Al!

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    It was a Fumble & Koolkell,

    Eli Manning went to Ole Miss. Again, another undermanned program. Peyton Manning is the exception and not the rule. Name me all the QBs in the NFL that come from Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Miami, LSU, Alabama, Texas Tech, Texas, Missourah, Texas A&M et. al.

    I stand by my statement. Top tier BCS conference teams rarely produce starting QBs in the NFL. The reason? They play “street ball” which has limited application in the NFL. Pat Harrell and Tim Tebow will find out real soon. Russell is struggling right now because of it.

    BTW, I think Russell will develop into a fine QB. He does have the tools and temperment to be an NFL QB. Namely he is a pass first QB.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • Ray

    We will be nothing until Al Davis is gone!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Bart Starr, went to University Of Alabama, a SEC school, no?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Kenny Stabler & Joe Namath went to the University of Alabama, a SEC school, no?

  • dikembesaysno

    How many sacks does Joey Porter have this Sunday?

  • http://MRisadiksukkingloser Moses

    Al will lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land!!!!! He has done it before, he will do it again. All your messiahs are now eating at Denny’s. Kiffin has been run, Gruden is lobbying for a college job, Callahan is fixing cars in Paducah. Save us Al. Save us from these Anti Raider heretics!!!!

  • Brien

    Now it is trying to ignore me. lol

  • dikembesaysno

    Aw jeez another alien believing, kool-aid drinking, nike wearing follower

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    Successfull QBs in the NFL from top tier teams in BCS conferences:

    1. Jason Campbell – Auburn
    2. Tom Brady – Michigan (backup)
    3. Carson Palmer – USC
    4. Peyton Manning – Tennessee
    5. Kerry Collins – PSU – took him 15 years though

    There are others (Russell, Leinart, Quinn, Young) but its too early to label them successfull or busts yet.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    LMN-you forget Sea Bass’s value on kick-offs,probably because he only has to do it at most a couple times a day.also,if he didn’t have to constantly attempt 55-76 yard FGs he would be known as one of the best.but if you don’t like the guy no matter what he does he’ll never make you happy.
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    well why not let Lechler handling kick off, as I remember there isn’t a rule saying kickoff should be handled by a kicker..

    only under kiffin was he asked to kick the long ones, problem is, Seabass missed to many inside 45 during his career… but if love the guy, no matter how bad he is you will always defend him..
    only in raiders eyes is seabass good, in all others he is below mediocre.. and the highest paid..

  • http://raiderclassics It Was a Fumble

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    How many sacks does Joey Porter have this Sunday?

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    Take the number of pass plays we run, mulitply that by Kwame and you will come up with the number of sacks Joey will have. Right now the number will most like be “many.”

  • lefty12

    S&B does have a point.not very many QBs today come from the SEC.it’s probably because they don’t run pro style offenses in the SEC.the same could be said about the big 12.guys put up big numbers,but they play in gimmicky offenses ie.Texas Tech.Hawaii was like that with J.Jones coaching.

  • Brien

    Old sucka

  • 909raiderlifer

    Dikembe…

    Porter, will have at least 3. Plus at least 8 tackles.

  • SacRaider

    Moses Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Al will lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land!!!!! He has done it before, he will do it again. All your messiahs are now eating at Denny’s. Kiffin has been run, Gruden is lobbying for a college job, Callahan is fixing cars in Paducah. Save us Al. Save us from these Anti Raider heretics!!!!
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    Lol.. Didn’t Al lead us to the wilderness to begin with?

  • 909raiderlifer

    Fumble… #41… LOL.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Kenny Stabler & Joe Namath went to the University of Alabama, a SEC school, no?
    ==================================================
    True they played and were wildly successfull. Just so long ago. But point well taken. I also think that this was pre-street ball era. Just my opinion though.

    I think the SEC and Big 12 play a brand of football today that relies on have vastly superior players and developing plays that expressly accentuate that advantage. The result is an extermely high margin for error for QBs in these systems.

    If I were talking to a kid aspiring to play in the NFL that’s in high school. I would tell him to avoid the Florida’s and LSU’s and aim for a Big East school or an undermanned BCS program running a pro-style offense.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://MRisadiksukkingloser Moses

    Soon friends Al will have us back eating Manna in the Coliseum!! Jamarcus was a good choice, Dmac was a good choice, Zack was a good choice, Mike “Burning” Bush is a good choice!!! These are Al picks. You that hate Al are blind but you can once again seeeeeeeee!

  • Stop the Ignorance

    Hey guys, Al Davis himself is posting as Moses. You can’t fool us Al. I know you’re about as old as Moses so you decided to use it as your handle, but you can’t fool us. Go away, Al. Leave our team alone!

  • lefty12

    LMn-i constantly here announcers talk about how effective Sea Bass is.btw,i actually agree with you that he misses way to many easy FGs.but he isn’t as bad as many perceive and over the long haul he is better than quite a few in the league.he isn’t the best i’ll give you that.