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No sign of Burgess

Defensive end Derrick Burgess, fresh off his first practice since Oct. 6, was not with the defensive line Thursday as the Raiders concluded warmups and drills and were about to begin team sessions.

Burgess has missed five games with a torn right triceps.

Quarterback JaMarcus Russell and running back Darren McFadden were both on the field after being limited Tuesday. Backup quarterback Andrew Walter was suited up after sitting out the previous day.

Center Jake Grove was not on the field, while linebacker Ricky Brown was present but did not appear to be practicing.

Justin Miller, the cornerback and return specialist claimed off waivers from the New York Jets, was fielding kickoffs during special teams practice, as was Hiram Eugene.

More to come later . . .

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  • http://www.nfl.com The Commissioner

    S&B,

    I am still learning this blog feature of the internet. I hear you are looking for me.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    John Rauch University of Florida a SEC school, no ;-)

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    porter will have 4 sacks sunday.

  • lefty12

    LMN-the reason Shane doesn’t kick-off is Sea Bass is better at it.he is the best kickoff man in the NFL.more touchbacks than anyone by far.(actually best % since he doesn’t get to do it to often).

  • http://www.nfl.com The Commissioner

    I take it the Raider Nation is perturbed at the way the system is being ran in Oakland.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    S&B,

    I am still learning this blog feature of the internet. I hear you are looking for me.
    ===================================================
    Yes I am. Have you booked a flight to Oakland yet?

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • dikembesaysno

    Yea all signs point to him having a good day, unless Super Mario is up for the challenge.

  • http://www.nfl.com The Commissioner

    Mr. S&B,

    I have had many discussions with Mr. Davis, both via email and also by telephone. I can tell you that the NFL will not get involved in the day to day decisions that are made by the organization as they are self governed.

  • lefty12

    all that being said LMN we could have kept Nedney and probably been better off.

  • http://MRisadiksukkingloser Moses

    YOUR TEAM. Is your name on the checks??? See friends. The false ones here want to deceive you. I hear weeping and gnashing of teeth. No one here is gay with what is going on, except MR.

  • Be A Man

    Ryan Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    1st

    Be a man you little sissy.

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    mario henderson has never been super. he is more like a princess toadstool.

  • http://www.nfl.com The Commissioner

    I can also tell you that with the following and support given to the team by the loyal fan base, we do not see any reason to intervene at this time. The club seems to be in a healthy state, regardless of the wins and losses. What problem do you really see going on that needs to office of the nfl to step in to?

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    KoolKell,

    Too bad Rauch passed on. He would probably be the only man with coaching experience that could co-exist with Davis again.

    LOL

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    LMn-i constantly here announcers talk about how effective Sea Bass is.btw,i actually agree with you that he misses way to many easy FGs.but he isn’t as bad as many perceive and over the long haul he is better than quite a few in the league.he isn’t the best i’ll give you that.
    ______________________________________________________

    first.. many of the announcers is pro-raiders.. and there isn’t many positive things to talk about, so they accidental upgrade Seabass performances just so they have some upside thing to talk about.. fact is he is not great, if you look at History’s top 15 kickers he is way below their avg.. if you look at the top 10 playing Kickers, he isn’t among them.. he is just above avg.. and he is the highest paid kicker (afair)

    imagine if we had kept Nedney, drafted Lechler.. and used that 1st on something Gruden would have liked.. then he would demand to be traded..(not the sole-reason, but the igniter)

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk gruden!

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    all that being said LMN we could have kept Nedney and probably been better off.
    _____________________________________________________

    sorry, didn’t see this before after I had posted my last comment =)

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk al!

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk al !

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk rand moss!

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk charles woodson!

  • dikembesaysno

    CRANK,

    At this point, anyone but Kwame would appear super. I hope that with Henderson and Wade starting we will see an improvement in the line’s play this week.

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    fuk deangel hall!

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    Lefty12..

    But am I wrong, I don’t mean there is a rule saying so? why not let Lechler kick KO’s? (if Jani wasn’t available or traded)

    *droool* maaan if we could trade him!

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    ..and then sign Elling =)

  • dikembesaysno

    peace Nation

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    draft crabtree

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    say no to obama

  • lefty12

    LMN-no problem.good discussion without name calling=).personally,i don’t pay too much attention to what the players make-i’m not paying their salaries(thank god).i think they are all way overpaid but there isn’t anything i or any of us fans can do about it .

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    how many days do you think it will take for some crazy redneck to gun down obama? is he going to be riding around in a pope mobile?

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    I can also tell you that with the following and support given to the team by the loyal fan base, we do not see any reason to intervene at this time. The club seems to be in a healthy state, regardless of the wins and losses. What problem do you really see going on that needs to office of the nfl to step in to?
    ===================================================
    First, thank you for reaching out to Al, I hope your conversations with him went beyond normal happy talk. Our problem here is that Al Davis does not treat his coaches with respect and dignity. As a result no qualified coach will come here. In addition, Al Davis refuses to implement a basic management structure that would allow the team to be competitive. He’s trying to do everything himself.

    While the Lions struggle, they believe in a GM and are implementing the required changes. They just hired the wrong guy.

    The Bengals are run by a strong owner. However, said owner gives his coaches more than 18 months to turn things around.

    Because of those nuances, the Bengals and Lions don’t require your immediate attention.

    Also, the press conference was an embarrassment to the league. Since you are already knee deep with the Kiffin & Davis rowe, I am sure that in your due-diligence you seeing the dysfunction that is preventing the Raiders from being competitive.

    Please get involved. If you can take time out for Brett Favre, Pacman Jones etc…you can get involved in a franchise that the entire nation, outside of Raider Nation, believes is beyond repair.

    Request that he hires a GM or credible alternative. Request that he maintains his next coaching hire beyond 18 months. Make sure the next coaching contract is reviewed by you personally. Have a sitdown with Al and the new coach and explain the basics of Coach / Owner relations.

    The Raider Nation is held hostage. Aren’t the fans the customer of this league.

    Thanks Commissioner.. And please let me know when you get to Oakland

    =====

    Where’s the Commmissioner?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Baby Troll CRANK SMOKER is demanding attention, somebody give him a pacifier.

    Come here boy, I got your pacifier!

  • AlisGod (go Warriors go Sharks)

    I see a lot of loserville kitten loving fans are on today….here’s something for you to wonder.
    _________________________-
    An NFL.com report said fired Raiders coach Lane Kiffin played an instrumental role in waived cornerback DeAngelo Hall signing with Washington on Friday. Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato called Kiffin for a scouting report on Hall, the report said. Kiffin endorsed Hall, in part because he had been humbled by his brief Oakland experience.
    _____________________

    Al DAvis told you it was kiffin’s idea to bring him here and you all thought Al was blowing smoke up your a$$.

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    Commissioner,

    Even McDonalds requires its franchisees to maintain basic management and quality controls.

    Just a point of reference for you.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    kell u want to suck my pacifier? its big and brown

  • lefty12

    Shane could kickoff.i don’t knowhow good he’d be at it but it isn’t against the rules.we’ll never know if he’d be any good because al the scumbag will probably keep him until his leg falls off-can’t admit he shouldn’t have taken him in the 1st rd.

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    LMN-no problem.good discussion without name calling=).personally,i don’t pay too much attention to what the players make-i’m not paying their salaries(thank god).i think they are all way overpaid but there isn’t anything i or any of us fans can do about it .
    ______________________________________________________

    Lefty.. namecalling will very seldom come from this alias, thats for sure!

    regarding salary, nah i don’t care about their pay either, but its good as a referencepoint when you compare players.. if a player with more success is paid less than one we have, then thats a very good reference point to either re-do the contract or cut’em and find another and better

  • S&B – Nation Collective

    AlisGod,

    I am not saying that Kiffin was the answer. Although his performance was better than Cable’s thusfar.

    I just want a coach to hang in there for more than 18 months. this is ridiculous.

    Russell has already had 2 head coaches and THREE playcallers.

    We can’t win with this chaos. Not now not ever until this coaching carousel changes.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    if you can punt the ball where ever you will, then why not kick it =)

    Well, when I used to play Madden in 2005, I used Lechler (i had traded seabass) he worked NICE in madden..

    well thats where I got the idea, I know Madden and RL isn’t the same of course.. but still, again as you said we will never get to see it :/

  • 909raiderlifer

    A must read on Jason Jones’ sacbee blog. titled “Running wild(cat)

    They, won’t let me post the link here.

    J.J. does a outstanding job, on breaking down how inept our offense really is.

    (Disclaimer) Not for the faint of heart.

  • lefty12

    ALisODD-you really have to let it go.Kiffen doesn’t work for the Raiders anymore.your constant slandering of the guy is useless.he doesn’t(like he ever did)make any decisions that will affect the team.he’s gone.people with your point of view got their wise.you should be happy about it instead of upset because some supported him.

  • AKIDO

    AL IS DOG,

    AT leadt the REDSKINS MNGMT. respects Kiffins insight.

    Most fans here wouldnt know a good coach if they slept with thier mother…U.P.S guy ask Kiffn, DOes she choke like AL does?

    lol

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    909..

    you are apparently ‘filtered’ like me, just let out the W W W, and H T T P, those in combination is banned for some of us..

  • http://raiderclassics It Was a Fumble

    Kiffin had 9 months to put together a team to start the season. He got rolled 41-14 scoring the 14 after Denver was boarding the team bus for their ride home. Cable had 9 DAYS to pull his team together, and needless to say, there was going to be major dissention. That is being cleared up. This hopefully will be a game that shows the team going in the right direction. Hopefully.

  • http://raiderclassics It Was a Fumble

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Russell has already had 2 head coaches and THREE playcallers.

    We can’t win with this chaos. Not now not ever until this coaching carousel changes.

    —————————————————-

    Can’t argue with this.

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    Ryan Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    1st

    Skullboarder Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    Maybe fargas will remember what Miami is like this week and tear it up!

    Ryan Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
    Going to game this weekend in Miami, hope to see Dmac play, would be nice

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
    Burgess probably doesn’t want to play anyway. We already know Wilson doesn’t.

    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    I think Miami will play us tough, they’re a much better team with something to prove considering we beat them last season.

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
    Any team will play us tough. Our offense is worse than the B&B breakfast from Tom Walsh.

    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    With Cable and Knapp out at season’s end who do you envision the Raiders begging to be HC? Rathman? I hope not.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    draft tim tebow
    ==========================================
    Tim Tebow plays the same type of “Street Ball” that the SEC and Big 12 play. When I say street ball I mean the equivalent of what the “And 1 Mixed Tape Tour” is to the NBA. ON AVERAGE the better QBs come from undermanned programs in the BCS, or non-BCS. I am increasingly becoming convinced of this.

    This is why Russell is struggling. Years of playing “street ball” at LSU is lengthening his adjustment time. I think players that come from lesser programs, without gimmick playbooks, have smaller margin for error and that helps their overall game.

    No thanks to Tim Tebow, Pat Herrel, Colt McCoy or that guy in Missourah. Saying their names is like saying you want “Hot Sauce” to man the point for the Lakers!

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Tom Walsh? Gosh I miss that guy.

    Hell Raiderrrs Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Who would want to play for them. If we were winning games I bet Burgess would have been back alot sooner. None of these guys want to be here.

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    I truly have no idea. Our options are definitely limited, though. Kiffin was what, the 229th choice? Not sure who wants to coach here anymore. This organization sh1ts down the throats of it’s coaches.

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
    Davis should just coach it himself. Get him down there on the sideline in a hovaround.

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
    I’d like to see him use a segway, with a helmet of course, safety first!

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
    Hell Raiderrrs Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Who would want to play for them. If we were winning games I bet Burgess would have been back alot sooner. None of these guys want to be here.
    ______________________________________________________

    Exactly. Can you imagine what the locker room environment is like? Probably like a morgue. Either that or it’s one big party since all the players know they’re getting paid their millions for just showing up.

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    S&B

    Jay Cutler came out of Vanderbilt, an SEC team, no?

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    I’d like to see him use a segway, with a helmet of course, safety first!
    _______________________________________________________

    LOL – you just gave me a picture of Davis on a segway jammin across the field to argue a call with the officials. LMAO!!

    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
    Lol…only problem with Al coaching is he’ll never fire himself. He could make history though and be the first to die on the job.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    From ESPN,
    “Let’s see: Since taking over as interim coach of the Raiders, Tom Cable has taken the play calling away from offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. The result has been four losses in five games, and the Raiders have been outscored 70-13 in the first halves of the past five games. Under former coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders outscored opponents 30-24 in the first half, but they had trouble closing out games. Under Cable, the Raiders get off to horrible starts and can’t recover.”
    ———————————————–
    Where’s the Commissioner?

    Hell Raiderrrs Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    You know guys like Burgess are telling they buddies around the league that they will except league minimum if there team offers up a trade for him in the off season. Just to get the hell out.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
    S&B

    Jay Cutler came out of Vanderbilt, an SEC team, no?
    =====================================================
    I said “ON AVERAGE the better QBs come from undermanned programs in the BCS, or non-BCS. I am increasingly becoming convinced of this.”

    I consider Vanderbilt to be an undermanned program. Cutler had little to work with as far as talent at Vandy compared to what Tebow, and Russell, had at Florida and LSU respectively.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    S&B

    Peyton Manning went to Tennessee, a SEC school, no?

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
    Quagmire’d Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Lol…only problem with Al coaching is he’ll never fire himself. He could make history though and be the first to die on the job.
    ______________________________________________________

    LOL – True. As punishment, he should be forced to coach this team, then get fired 1 year into it, before he can even see his system/coaching begin to take shape. ‘How do you like it Al? Why didn’t you take this team to the SuperBowl in 1 year?’

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    for the most part the players give their all every game.they realize they are not only playing for this year,but for their future also.Burgess has always been a slacker.except for 1 year,he has had a lingering injury every year.he is exactly the type of player we should purge from our team.

    It Was a Fumble Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
    Actually Peyton Manning and Eli Manning both came from SEC schools. Maybe you’ve heard of those guys. They seem to be doing OK.

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    Lefty,

    And for the most part Javon Walker has been really “bringin it lately.”

    Brien Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    Old man stop collecting unemployment checks from the state.

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
    You want an example of a player to purge, use Walker, not Burgess.

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
    i didn’t defend Walker.there are always rules to the exception.Walker and Burgess are the same except Burgess has ability and refuses to use it .Walker is done.

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    both-and anyone else like them.

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    From ESPN,
    “Let’s see: Since taking over as interim coach of the Raiders, Tom Cable has taken the play calling away from offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. The result has been four losses in five games, and the Raiders have been outscored 70-13 in the first halves of the past five games. Under former coach Lane Kiffin, the Raiders outscored opponents 30-24 in the first half, but they had trouble closing out games. Under Cable, the Raiders get off to horrible starts and can’t recover.”
    ———————————————–
    Where’s the Commissioner?
    ______________________________________________________

    S&B – Thanks, but the promoters don’t want to be bothered with facts. Since Cable has taken over, it’s been ugly, no doubt. But they don’t care. Who cares that the offense under Cable is 80 yards per game worse than Kiffin’s (with the same players) and 20 yards per game worse then Tom Walsh? Who cares that this team now gets outplayed from the starting whistle. They sure don’t. It’s all Kiffin’s fault. He ruined it for everyone by being brutally honest in the media. Blame him.

    Keep on keepin’ on, Al!

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
    It was a Fumble & Koolkell,

    Eli Manning went to Ole Miss. Again, another undermanned program. Peyton Manning is the exception and not the rule. Name me all the QBs in the NFL that come from Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Miami, LSU, Alabama, Texas Tech, Texas, Missourah, Texas A&M et. al.

    I stand by my statement. Top tier BCS conference teams rarely produce starting QBs in the NFL. The reason? They play “street ball” which has limited application in the NFL. Pat Harrell and Tim Tebow will find out real soon. Russell is struggling right now because of it.

    BTW, I think Russell will develop into a fine QB. He does have the tools and temperment to be an NFL QB. Namely he is a pass first QB.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    Ray Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
    We will be nothing until Al Davis is gone!

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
    Bart Starr, went to University Of Alabama, a SEC school, no?

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Kenny Stabler & Joe Namath went to the University of Alabama, a SEC school, no?

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    How many sacks does Joey Porter have this Sunday?

    Moses Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Al will lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land!!!!! He has done it before, he will do it again. All your messiahs are now eating at Denny’s. Kiffin has been run, Gruden is lobbying for a college job, Callahan is fixing cars in Paducah. Save us Al. Save us from these Anti Raider heretics!!!!

    Brien Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Now it is trying to ignore me. lol

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Aw jeez another alien believing, kool-aid drinking, nike wearing follower

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    Successfull QBs in the NFL from top tier teams in BCS conferences:

    1. Jason Campbell – Auburn
    2. Tom Brady – Michigan (backup)
    3. Carson Palmer – USC
    4. Peyton Manning – Tennessee
    5. Kerry Collins – PSU – took him 15 years though

    There are others (Russell, Leinart, Quinn, Young) but its too early to label them successfull or busts yet.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    LMN-you forget Sea Bass’s value on kick-offs,probably because he only has to do it at most a couple times a day.also,if he didn’t have to constantly attempt 55-76 yard FGs he would be known as one of the best.but if you don’t like the guy no matter what he does he’ll never make you happy.
    ______________________________________________________

    well why not let Lechler handling kick off, as I remember there isn’t a rule saying kickoff should be handled by a kicker..

    only under kiffin was he asked to kick the long ones, problem is, Seabass missed to many inside 45 during his career… but if love the guy, no matter how bad he is you will always defend him..
    only in raiders eyes is seabass good, in all others he is below mediocre.. and the highest paid..

    It Was a Fumble Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    How many sacks does Joey Porter have this Sunday?

    —————————————————-

    Take the number of pass plays we run, mulitply that by Kwame and you will come up with the number of sacks Joey will have. Right now the number will most like be “many.”

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
    S&B does have a point.not very many QBs today come from the SEC.it’s probably because they don’t run pro style offenses in the SEC.the same could be said about the big 12.guys put up big numbers,but they play in gimmicky offenses ie.Texas Tech.Hawaii was like that with J.Jones coaching.

    Brien Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Old sucka

    909raiderlifer Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Dikembe…

    Porter, will have at least 3. Plus at least 8 tackles.

    SacRaider Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    Moses Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
    Al will lead us out of the wilderness and into the promised land!!!!! He has done it before, he will do it again. All your messiahs are now eating at Denny’s. Kiffin has been run, Gruden is lobbying for a college job, Callahan is fixing cars in Paducah. Save us Al. Save us from these Anti Raider heretics!!!!
    —————————————————–

    Lol.. Didn’t Al lead us to the wilderness to begin with?

    909raiderlifer Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
    Fumble… #41… LOL.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    Kenny Stabler & Joe Namath went to the University of Alabama, a SEC school, no?
    ==================================================
    True they played and were wildly successfull. Just so long ago. But point well taken. I also think that this was pre-street ball era. Just my opinion though.

    I think the SEC and Big 12 play a brand of football today that relies on have vastly superior players and developing plays that expressly accentuate that advantage. The result is an extermely high margin for error for QBs in these systems.

    If I were talking to a kid aspiring to play in the NFL that’s in high school. I would tell him to avoid the Florida’s and LSU’s and aim for a Big East school or an undermanned BCS program running a pro-style offense.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    Moses Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
    Soon friends Al will have us back eating Manna in the Coliseum!! Jamarcus was a good choice, Dmac was a good choice, Zack was a good choice, Mike “Burning” Bush is a good choice!!! These are Al picks. You that hate Al are blind but you can once again seeeeeeeee!

    Stop the Ignorance Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    Hey guys, Al Davis himself is posting as Moses. You can’t fool us Al. I know you’re about as old as Moses so you decided to use it as your handle, but you can’t fool us. Go away, Al. Leave our team alone!

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    LMn-i constantly here announcers talk about how effective Sea Bass is.btw,i actually agree with you that he misses way to many easy FGs.but he isn’t as bad as many perceive and over the long haul he is better than quite a few in the league.he isn’t the best i’ll give you that.

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    S&B,

    I am still learning this blog feature of the internet. I hear you are looking for me.

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    John Rauch University of Florida a SEC school, no

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
    porter will have 4 sacks sunday.

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    LMN-the reason Shane doesn’t kick-off is Sea Bass is better at it.he is the best kickoff man in the NFL.more touchbacks than anyone by far.(actually best % since he doesn’t get to do it to often).

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    I take it the Raider Nation is perturbed at the way the system is being ran in Oakland.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    S&B,

    I am still learning this blog feature of the internet. I hear you are looking for me.
    ===================================================
    Yes I am. Have you booked a flight to Oakland yet?

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    Yea all signs point to him having a good day, unless Super Mario is up for the challenge.

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
    Mr. S&B,

    I have had many discussions with Mr. Davis, both via email and also by telephone. I can tell you that the NFL will not get involved in the day to day decisions that are made by the organization as they are self governed.

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    all that being said LMN we could have kept Nedney and probably been better off.

    Moses Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    YOUR TEAM. Is your name on the checks??? See friends. The false ones here want to deceive you. I hear weeping and gnashing of teeth. No one here is gay with what is going on, except MR.

    Be A Man Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    Ryan Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    1st

    Be a man you little sissy.

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    mario henderson has never been super. he is more like a princess toadstool.

    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    I can also tell you that with the following and support given to the team by the loyal fan base, we do not see any reason to intervene at this time. The club seems to be in a healthy state, regardless of the wins and losses. What problem do you really see going on that needs to office of the nfl to step in to?

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    KoolKell,

    Too bad Rauch passed on. He would probably be the only man with coaching experience that could co-exist with Davis again.

    LOL

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    LMn-i constantly here announcers talk about how effective Sea Bass is.btw,i actually agree with you that he misses way to many easy FGs.but he isn’t as bad as many perceive and over the long haul he is better than quite a few in the league.he isn’t the best i’ll give you that.
    ______________________________________________________

    first.. many of the announcers is pro-raiders.. and there isn’t many positive things to talk about, so they accidental upgrade Seabass performances just so they have some upside thing to talk about.. fact is he is not great, if you look at History’s top 15 kickers he is way below their avg.. if you look at the top 10 playing Kickers, he isn’t among them.. he is just above avg.. and he is the highest paid kicker (afair)

    imagine if we had kept Nedney, drafted Lechler.. and used that 1st on something Gruden would have liked.. then he would demand to be traded..(not the sole-reason, but the igniter)

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
    fuk gruden!

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    all that being said LMN we could have kept Nedney and probably been better off.
    _____________________________________________________

    sorry, didn’t see this before after I had posted my last comment =)

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    fuk al!

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    fuk al !

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
    fuk rand moss!

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    fuk charles woodson!

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    CRANK,

    At this point, anyone but Kwame would appear super. I hope that with Henderson and Wade starting we will see an improvement in the line’s play this week.

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    fuk deangel hall!

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
    Lefty12..

    But am I wrong, I don’t mean there is a rule saying so? why not let Lechler kick KO’s? (if Jani wasn’t available or traded)

    *droool* maaan if we could trade him!

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    ..and then sign Elling =)

    dikembesaysno Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
    peace Nation

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    draft crabtree

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    say no to obama

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    LMN-no problem.good discussion without name calling=).personally,i don’t pay too much attention to what the players make-i’m not paying their salaries(thank god).i think they are all way overpaid but there isn’t anything i or any of us fans can do about it .

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    how many days do you think it will take for some crazy redneck to gun down obama? is he going to be riding around in a pope mobile?

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    The Commissioner Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    I can also tell you that with the following and support given to the team by the loyal fan base, we do not see any reason to intervene at this time. The club seems to be in a healthy state, regardless of the wins and losses. What problem do you really see going on that needs to office of the nfl to step in to?
    ===================================================
    First, thank you for reaching out to Al, I hope your conversations with him went beyond normal happy talk. Our problem here is that Al Davis does not treat his coaches with respect and dignity. As a result no qualified coach will come here. In addition, Al Davis refuses to implement a basic management structure that would allow the team to be competitive. He’s trying to do everything himself.

    While the Lions struggle, they believe in a GM and are implementing the required changes. They just hired the wrong guy.

    The Bengals are run by a strong owner. However, said owner gives his coaches more than 18 months to turn things around.

    Because of those nuances, the Bengals and Lions don’t require your immediate attention.

    Also, the press conference was an embarrassment to the league. Since you are already knee deep with the Kiffin & Davis rowe, I am sure that in your due-diligence you seeing the dysfunction that is preventing the Raiders from being competitive.

    Please get involved. If you can take time out for Brett Favre, Pacman Jones etc…you can get involved in a franchise that the entire nation, outside of Raider Nation, believes is beyond repair.

    Request that he hires a GM or credible alternative. Request that he maintains his next coaching hire beyond 18 months. Make sure the next coaching contract is reviewed by you personally. Have a sitdown with Al and the new coach and explain the basics of Coach / Owner relations.

    The Raider Nation is held hostage. Aren’t the fans the customer of this league.

    Thanks Commissioner.. And please let me know when you get to Oakland

    =====

    Where’s the Commmissioner?

    KoolKell Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    Baby Troll CRANK SMOKER is demanding attention, somebody give him a pacifier.

    Come here boy, I got your pacifier!

    AlisGod (go Warriors go Sharks) Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    I see a lot of loserville kitten loving fans are on today….here’s something for you to wonder.
    _________________________-
    An NFL.com report said fired Raiders coach Lane Kiffin played an instrumental role in waived cornerback DeAngelo Hall signing with Washington on Friday. Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato called Kiffin for a scouting report on Hall, the report said. Kiffin endorsed Hall, in part because he had been humbled by his brief Oakland experience.
    _____________________

    Al DAvis told you it was kiffin’s idea to bring him here and you all thought Al was blowing smoke up your a$$.

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Commissioner,

    Even McDonalds requires its franchisees to maintain basic management and quality controls.

    Just a point of reference for you.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    CRANK SMOKER Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
    kell u want to suck my pacifier? its big and brown

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    Shane could kickoff.i don’t knowhow good he’d be at it but it isn’t against the rules.we’ll never know if he’d be any good because al the scumbag will probably keep him until his leg falls off-can’t admit he shouldn’t have taken him in the 1st rd.

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    # lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    LMN-no problem.good discussion without name calling=).personally,i don’t pay too much attention to what the players make-i’m not paying their salaries(thank god).i think they are all way overpaid but there isn’t anything i or any of us fans can do about it .
    ______________________________________________________

    Lefty.. namecalling will very seldom come from this alias, thats for sure!

    regarding salary, nah i don’t care about their pay either, but its good as a referencepoint when you compare players.. if a player with more success is paid less than one we have, then thats a very good reference point to either re-do the contract or cut’em and find another and better

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
    AlisGod,

    I am not saying that Kiffin was the answer. Although his performance was better than Cable’s thusfar.

    I just want a coach to hang in there for more than 18 months. this is ridiculous.

    Russell has already had 2 head coaches and THREE playcallers.

    We can’t win with this chaos. Not now not ever until this coaching carousel changes.

    Where’s the Commissioner?

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    if you can punt the ball where ever you will, then why not kick it =)

    Well, when I used to play Madden in 2005, I used Lechler (i had traded seabass) he worked NICE in madden..

    well thats where I got the idea, I know Madden and RL isn’t the same of course.. but still, again as you said we will never get to see it :/

    909raiderlifer Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
    A must read on Jason Jones’ sacbee blog. titled “Running wild(cat)

    They, won’t let me post the link here.

    J.J. does a outstanding job, on breaking down how inept our offense really is.

    (Disclaimer) Not for the faint of heart.

    lefty12 Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    ALisODD-you really have to let it go.Kiffen doesn’t work for the Raiders anymore.your constant slandering of the guy is useless.he doesn’t(like he ever did)make any decisions that will affect the team.he’s gone.people with your point of view got their wise.you should be happy about it instead of upset because some supported him.

    AKIDO Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    AL IS DOG,

    AT leadt the REDSKINS MNGMT. respects Kiffins insight.

    Most fans here wouldnt know a good coach if they slept with thier mother…U.P.S guy ask Kiffn, DOes she choke like AL does?

    lol

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    909..

    you are apparently ‘filtered’ like me, just let out the W W W, and H T T P, those in combination is banned for some of us..

    It Was a Fumble Says:
    November 13th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    Kiffin had 9 months to put together a team to start the season. He got rolled 41-14 scoring the 14 after Denver was boarding the team bus for their ride home. Cable had 9 DAYS to pull his team together, and needless to say, there was going to be major dissention. That is being cleared up. This hopefully will be a game that shows the team going in the right direction. Hopefully.

    ^
    ^
    ^
    POINTLESS DRIBLE

  • http://view.playlist.com/12942502411/standalone La Milicia Negra

    if Monte had been DC and we had had a Cover2 Defense, then Hall would be a good signing..

  • Dead Head Davis

    Yeah, for Christ sake Kiffin was 5-20, NFL teams are drooling to use his offense. Not! Welcome to another rebuilding process Lane, just like you had with the Raiders, only you got demoted back to college. Now you can pick one of the bottom feeders to rebuild your reputation.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I think many of the newer Raider fans are as dysfuntional as the Raiders are. They don’t know any different.

  • lefty12

    Kiffin 5-15.Bill Walsh 5-25.Jimmy Johnson 4-25.we will never know if the guy was a good coach or not for our team.good thing Walsh and Johnson didn’t start their HCing careers with the Raiders.