Final: Chiefs 20, Raiders 13
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 30th, 2008 at 4:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Scoring
KC–Larry Johnson 2-yard run (Connor Barth kicks PAT), 13:43
KC–Connor Barth 27-yard field goal, 8:54
Oak–Sebastian Janikowski 51-yard field goal, 2:55
Notes:
– Tyler Thigpen hit Dwayne Bowe with 13-yard dagger and a first down, with Oakland calling its third time out in succession with 2:31 to play.
The Chiefs, taking over at their own 20, gained 3 yards on a run by Thigpen and 5 yards on a carry by Larry Johnson, with the Raiders calling time out at 2:48 and 2:43.
Johnson later carried 15 yards to the Oakland 46, with the Chiefs assistants requesting the “victory” formation, meaning all Thigpen has to do is kneel on the ball until the clock runs out.
– Janikowski’s 51-yard field goal came after an unimpressive drive which saw the Raiders drive 46 yards in 11 plays, with Russell misfiring on some open passes but getting one first down on a scramble and another on a pass to Zach Miller.
The Raiders have all three of their time outs with 2:55 left to play, meaning they can keep deep if they wish and count on stopping the Chiefs offense.
– After a dropped pass by Miller, Russell ran 21 yards on fourth-and-10 to keep the Raiders alive. Russell nearly had a pass intercepted by Derrick Johnson, with Gunther Cunningham nearly having a stroke in the coaches booth next to the press box.
– A pair of misfires by Russell to open receivers Ashley Lelie and Ronald Curry, leading to a three-and-out, led to a smattering of boos with 8:00 remaining as the Raiders punted the ball trailing by 10 points.
Boos also followed a 2-yard loss by Fargas on first-and-10.
Although officially a sellout, the unofficial crowd count numbered considerably less, and the Coliseum was growing more empty as fans began heading for the exits.
–Fargas began to lose possesion on a carry when with Rocky Boiman getting a hand on the ball, with Bernard Pollard knocking it loose, and the Chiefs recovering at the Oakland 38-yard line just one play into Oakland’s possession following the Chiefs score.
A 26-yard by Thigpen got the Chiefs close, with Kansas City ruining its chances for a touchdown with help from a delay-of-game penalty on third-and-5 from the 6.
Barth came in to kick a field goal when Thigpen’s short pass to Brad Cottam came up short.
– The Chiefs finished off a 16-play, 91-yard drive that ate up 9:24 of the clock when Johnson scored from the 2 with 13:43 remaining.
Thigpen rushed for 8 yards on second-and-12 from the 19, then ran 9 more yards on a quarterback draw to the 2 before Johnson went in for the score.
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November 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Raiders can still make the playoffs…..right?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
great loss Cable!!! that fake fg was real dumb! cost us the game
November 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Al Davis tricked me! He said, “WE WILL WIN”!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Kiffin would have easily won this game KoolKell.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
You guys will learn if you watch how Singletary coaches his guys.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
that was a TEAM lose.we aren’t any good but the true fans will still root for the team.the more i read this site the more i realize most of the people who post here aren’t fans.fans root and support their team all the time,not just when they win.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I’m defeated, I give up. Norv will be fired. Next season, we will dominate with a good coach. At least I still have the Raider game to look forward to. Chargers 42, Raiders 9
November 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I told you Tom Cable is just as good as John Madden!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Oakglenn, I admit Kiffin is no NFL coach. But, what is Cable?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Im crushed. I didnt see the game but i suspect we didnt block or tackle and Jr didnt have that breakout game yet
November 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
MR Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Kiffin would have easily won this game KoolKell
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arent you the same people?? lol
November 30th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
yeah and true fans can be critcal of the same team they love when they loose and make dumb calls that arent needed like that fake fg my gosh man take the freakings pts. they wouldnt have gotten that td
November 30th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Oh well, theres always this Friday. There is no reason we cant beat the discharge. They suck. We dont. Game over!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
MissRaider, thought we would make the playoffs with a 5 win boy’s talent… How stupid!! lol
November 30th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Damn. That was a bullsh!t call wit the fake field goal. We should’ve ran the ball down their throats. I’m pretty sure that call cost tom cable next year’s head coach opportunity. We need a dope WR cuz NO WR on the team can run routes or catch. Crabtree all the way in the draft.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Despite our record, the Chargers are ten times better than the Raiders. Andrews Mom, you are one serious clown.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
This game takes care of the Cable question.
He will be gone, along with Gregg “This offense makes me want to take a” Knapp.
See ya later Cable. Can you please take Rob Ryan with you when you go?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I am really dumb.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I think our boys ate too much turkey. We arent that bad.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Once again I am forced to apologize to my son for making him a Raider Fan. This sucks
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
We wont be able to draft Crabtree..
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Me too.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
5 win boy, where y’at??? lol
November 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I prayed that the Raiders would win but they didn’t. God does not exist. I have wasted my life.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Andrews Mom, you are dumb. You are that bad, the Chargers aren’t as bad as their record.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
My god, can we hold off on annoiting Cable coach of the year now? He literally lost us that game. Say what you will about Kiffin, but what the hell was Cable thinking?
What was Jano gonna do with it anyway? That has to be the stupidest F***ing play I have ever seen. Not only was the play call terrible, but the whole design sucked. Does Jano run a 4.3 fourty? Does he play QB? What the hell. Screw Cable. Oh and his project Kwame Harris went back to blowing every play after a decent game last week.
I haven’t been this pissed about a game in a while. Not even opening night.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
You fools are wasting your time with MR. Al sucks.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Tsk tsk troll dont be mad at me because I root for the raiders no matter what happens to them. No mattter what you say when you troll as me I will always root for the team.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Bring back Kiffin, nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Jamarcus played horrible. It would not matter if WR’s were open, because he would have missed them. He needs to grow and take off the bling from his ears. He looks like a complete moron.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Should’ve known winning two games in a row was too much to ask out of these Raiders. The play calling was plain stupid. Time to cut the “Cable” off. Guess we can go back to talking about the draft. I have a feeling Crabtree will end up in Seattle so Im thinking Rey Maualuga would look good in a Raiders jersey or any offensive lineman willing to block. Watch out for a reciever named Jeremy Maclin, he could challenge Crabtree for the top wide reciever spot. And for the love of mankind, can we please get a head coach? A real head coach!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Jim Fassel our next head coach! Crabtree this years first round selection of the raiders! Al Davis gets a heart attack and sells the team! We hire a GM! The Raiders go to the Super Bowl and WIN!
That’s 5 simple steps to go back to the good old days of winning and rediscovering the lost art of winning here in Oakland!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Oh yeah. Rob Ryan, I forgot all about him. What a joke. EVERY TIME his defense has one good game, they come out and blow the next game. He’s a joke, he clearly doesn’t prepare his players the right way.
Oh, shoutout to Fargas for the fumble, and Gibril Wilson for the dropped INT, as well as Kirk Morrison for being the worst linebacker on the team.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Thanks again Rob Ryan! made KC look like the NY Giants with that 91 dive TD….
Sucker
BTW you need balzz to call that FG Fake,,,
Go Raiders!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
# K-Rock Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I prayed that the Raiders would win but they didn’t. God does not exist. I have wasted my life.
……….
First off, I would never pray for a football game, other than asking God to keep players safe.
Second, even if God did not exist, living my life helping others is not wasted.
But posting under others names would be a different story.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Death Pirate,
wait until next week and you will be on suicide watch after the Raiders get beat down by the chargers again…
November 30th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
RAw-did you watch the game?we had WRs open all day-our QB(who is young and inconsistent) couldn’t hit them.all aspects of our team were responsible for todays lose.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
R.A.W, how about a left tackle? Kwame Harris needs to get bumped to right tackle or get cut next year.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Raiders made my day!
Happy bout this loss!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Committment, I expect us to get beat, but not by ourselves. Other teams can beat us, I’m used to that, but when we are taking ourselves out of the game, that kills me.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Wilson not getting the int lost the game.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Bring back Norv after he is fired.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Death Pirate, it’s your head coach and owner. Don’t be silly, son.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
I’ve seen enough of Tom Cable.
I’ve seen enough of J. Russell.
I saw enough of Al Davis years ago.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Yeah!!!
Now I have a nice pretext to come back here and troll all the week!! When the Raiders win I have no business here because I have no arguments…
Oh! and I hate myself!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
MR come get a taste of my manchowder.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Darthpirate
Hell that will do. Kwane Harris sucks so bad I didn’t even know he was there blocking. Damn he’s the reason why we have more penalties than everyone except the cowboys. Smack here’s a list of who should get cut:
Kwane Harris
Javon walker
Cornell green
Ronald curry
Gregg knapp
Tom cable (as a hc and play caller)
Did I forget anyone else?…..
Oh silly me how could I forget about Al Davis
November 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Norco, don’t waste your time. Leave that up to Oakglenn.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
RAW, you won’t to keep Ryan. You are one of the many Al shields I see.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Arrggghhh! The lament of the Raider fan. Another season down the drain!! Well…
Can’t complain about the fake field goal, if Lechler didn’t get fancy with the hand off, (through the legs!?! Seriously!!) it was a TD, Stewart released nicely, and the pass would have went for a TD, and I like the aggressive play calling, the hook and ladder play was great, and the Raiders controlled the game for the first half.
Fargas had a great game, and I am usually one of his toughest critics, but the fumble was a nail in the coffin, things like that happen in this league, but terrible timing.
And SERIOUSLY when is Gonzales going to get called for pushing off!! All game, every play! Maybe Miller should learn from that example.
Very sad to see the defeat on the sidelines at the end of the game. Russell tried to do too much and force too much, but it was great to see him use his legs. Especially the hit he laid on the KC corner.
But when is JR going to NOT telegraph his passes. stares down every pass, a look off might help once in awhile.
So NOW we play the young talent. Thursday against SD will be a character game.
How much character does this team have? That will be a great test, One only has to think back to the ATL game to see the last test of character that we failed miserably, so I’ll put it out there to anyone associated with the organization that may read this blog. How much character does this team have? The SD game on national TV will tell the tale.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Jmac couldnt hit the side of a reservation 2day.It was also crystal-clear that we need a true MLB.When youre DE over run the play time and time again you need a Kick-azz MLB who will knock the hell out of anyone.kc got so many yds up the middle after our DE W-A-Y overran the play.We need MLB then OT
November 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Lefty121…whatever
True our wr were open. But who cost us the game? Fake field goal? What’s sea-bass gonna do wit the ball? Kick a punt or run wit a 6.4 forty time speed?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Give Lofton a chance. Lets see what he can do.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Norco Bob is an idiot
November 30th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
# OldRaiderFan Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Once again I am forced to apologize to my son for making him a Raider Fan. This sucks
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LOL…
November 30th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Ggnringo, he’ll get over it.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Hey Charged up,
Better than your record shows? You guys stink. You have always stunk. SD = No Superbowls, No World Series Championships, hell your not even good enough to have an NBA or NHL franchise. You’ve been a stain on the American Sports landscape since day one. The only thing more pathetic than your team, is the fact that you come into a Raider blog. I love that you do, because I’ve witnessed first hand what a joke Charger fans are since I moved here in 1972. You’re the first to sell your tickets when you are bad, even to your bitterest rival, the first to jump on the bandwagon during one of your decent years. There’s been about 8 of those over the last 40+ years. You will always be a third class sports city, and when the dolts head for LA, or Vegas or to Hell, where they belong, I will be right here to enjoy the ABORTION that is SD Charger Football
November 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
MR
Did u see my last couple of comments? I said al needs to either have
A heart attack or sell the team. Maybe u should make a myspace advertising the raiders. Put it headline like: OAKLAND RAIDERS for sale at $2.99 and some tapioca
November 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
RAW-the whole team cost us the game.coaches,Def.,Off.,and ST.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
RAW, you and everybody else seems to be bolting for the door. Al is the good guy.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
BRING BACK MARC WILSON.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Wow wheres d-mac and bush so sick of fargas, wow guy got a 1yd td run great. We need a true mlb morrison aint cutting it.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Lefty
True true, but I soley blame that playcall. C’mon, u have darren, justin. Hell let russell run wit it but jano?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
if Wilson got that interception we coulda ran away with a win there
November 30th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
MR
What the hell, weren’t u the one who made the “keep Kiffin fire al Davis” myspace?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
kwame harris had only one good game in his body and used it in denver, then back to his same old false start penalties like today!! Wade had one called on him as well, again the oline needs desparate help!! I was using the kc game as a litmus test and we failed!!!
U have to beat the teams u’re supposed to beat. The game started off well prior to the bs fg debacle and then got worse. We have to consistently have both dmac and fargas in the game, mis-direction,and most importantly execution! All the creativity in the world will not help if you don’t execute. well i will still bee rooting for the raiders to be the spoilers for the chargers!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
J/R, J-Monkey,J/No/NfL. J/Sucks—-No matter what we call him, he is a first round draft pick that is a fricking BUST—basicly he is arena football leage @best. I cancelled my NFL ticket for next year and refuse to buy anymore Raider gear till AL Davis is dead or we go 8 and 8 until then I am done, Cable is a good line coach, but Ryan is a joke of his family and our fans. I am drunk and venting, but J/Russ needs to go back to the farm and toss the football throught the tire all day-every day until me makes two in a row!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
WOW … you are playing the 28th rated pass defense and your $61 million man can ONLY complete 1 fricken pass to a WR … can you say BUST. LOL rookie QBs Flacco and Ryan can do that on their first series.
OK let’s hear all the JR excuses.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RAW-we had plenty of opportunities to make plays after the fake and we didn’t.Wilson dropped an int.,Russell missed Higgins and Curry for sure TDs,our Def. couldn’t get a stop for mostof 2nd half.plus other plays.if that fake would have been in the 4th QTR it’s a different story.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
THIS TEAM STINKS AND HAS STUNK SINCE THEY CAME BACK TO OAKLAND MINUS GRUDEN’S YEARS AND CALLAHANS 1 YEAR…PATHETIC
November 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Damn. What the hell, I’m starting to think that the miners got the better of the tackle in barry simms than us wit kwane Harris
November 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Russell will be a good QB when he has some good coaching and at least one NFL caliber receiver. But, it is highly questionable whether Al Davis will give him what he needs to succeed.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
RAW, when will you learn that Al has been the problem for the last 6 years. Are you Oakglenn by any chance?
November 30th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
I think we are officially in the draft sweepstakes for Rey Maualuga. Crabtree will be gone by the time we pick.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Lefty
Once again I agree wit u, I’m just mainly upset wit the fake. What the hell does jano run a 4.3 forty or something? If so why the hell did we draft d.mac? The answer is jano doesn’t run a 4, he runs something like a 6 or 7
November 30th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Man ol man we have a lot of problems with not one answer. geez
November 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
This is what we will be getting with an inexperienced QB and a weak Oline. Some good games and some bad games.
Our priority is to keep getting the young guys experience and bolster both lines on draft day.
One play did not lose this game. We are too inconsistent on offense and we are going to have to wait for development and draft an OT in round one.
November 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Hey guys, heres a preview of my press conference.
“Kwame played well. He played real well. He just over thought a few times and faked himself out, he’ll be fine.”
“Well on the fake field goal we normally have Jano run for a 15 yard gain in practice, we had worked on it all week, and it worked every time when we didn’t have the defense out there.”
“JaMarcus missed a couple of throws, but he’s getting better, last week we saw what he was capable of.”
“Rob Ryan did a hell of a job getting his guys out there ready to play, Kirk Morrison is a hell of a player.”
“That was on me.”
November 30th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
MR
According to post #60 you say al Davis is a good guy
Then on post # 72 you say that al Davis is the problem
ARE YOU OAKGLEN OR SOMETHING
November 30th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Whoever wrote post 78 was brilliant
November 30th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
KC were not only bad in pass defense but worse in run defense!!! We obviously run better than are a passing offense. did not run enough and they did not stop it by any means either. Just bad play calling plain and simple. The wilson drop was a thud off his helmet! it basically went threw his hands when he jumped up to make the play. He still should have caught it!! but thats what happened on that one
November 30th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Coach Cable (Interim) Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Hey guys, heres a preview of my press conference.
“Kwame played well. He played real well. He just over thought a few times and faked himself out, he’ll be fine.”
“Well on the fake field goal we normally have Jano run for a 15 yard gain in practice, we had worked on it all week, and it worked every time when we didn’t have the defense out there.”
“JaMarcus missed a couple of throws, but he’s getting better, last week we saw what he was capable of.”
“Rob Ryan did a hell of a job getting his guys out there ready to play, Kirk Morrison is a hell of a player.”
“That was on me.”
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That was on Al, actually, MR.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
AL, JUST DIE BABY!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Post 78
Nice, now we’ll be a winning team cuz tom cable has just identified our problems…by complimenting them
November 30th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
KoolKell that was me. I worked hard on that post
Maybe winning two straight was too much to ask.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Hmm, I wonder if there was a phone call to the sidelines for the fake field call. Does that happen on special teams too?
November 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Post 78 — Spot on
November 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Sorry DeathPirate. MR, usually makes those comments.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I see someone has been trolling as me. We all, already know who it is!!!!
That boy kiffy really put together a good team. lol
November 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
This game today was a bitter, bitter disappointment.
The tone of this game was set with Cable’s wild a$$ playcalling. When you have a young team playing a team like K.C…the goal is to accumulate points early and put the pressure on K.C.
Cable just lost his opportunity to be head coach next year with his playcalling in the first QTR.
JaMarcus Russell needs a lot of help. A lot! I would like to see how the Raiders practice. I don’t think Russell is getting good coaching.
Should have NEVER got rid of Lane Kiffin
November 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
if the fake had worked you would all be on here talking about what a great call it was,that it’s good to see us using some imagination in our play calling.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
So is Jim Harbaugh basically out of the question now?
November 30th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
looks like we’ll be 3-13 picking in the top 5,,,,,,again. bring on Sting-Rey Maualuga. Oh and now would be a time to start Mario Henderson for the remaining season, afterall, Micheal Huff on defense is nowhere near as bad as Kwame Harris on offense. Might as well put Huff back in the line up as well.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Left 12, I think that play call was a little too imaginative.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Cable wont have his voice cracking at the press conferences like that little boy we had!! You supporters can get over that..
November 30th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Kiffin doesn’t work here any longer.get over him.it’s too bad he wasn’t allowed to put the team together.then at least we could either blame him or give him credit.but let us not forget-he didn’t want Hall or Walker,and the people who have replaced them are improvements.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
WTF, on what planet was that fake fg attempt going to work!! with jano running for the first down!! LOL! I would think there is not one of us here that thinks that would ever work!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Can we stop with the Kiffin vs Cable crap now? Maybe they both suck.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
THANKS LEFTY POST-96
November 30th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Darth-true,but that one play didn’t cost us the game.it was one of the many bad plays that resulted in the lose,but not the only one.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Bad loss. SMH. And Russell continues to be unimpressive. Fake FG was mind-blowing. But, they\’ll beat SD Thursday nite. Count on it.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
if the fake had worked you would all be on here talking about what a great call it was,that it’s good to see us using some imagination in our play calling.
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B.S — gimmie the fake field goal against the Patriots where we know we will need something extra to win.
Against the Chiefs? You just accumulate points (Field Goals or TDs) and put the pressure on the Chiefs to manufacture points. YOU DON’T GIVE THEM 7.
That play call was the difference
November 30th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Bad coaching today. Horrible decisions early in the game. Russell was on in the beginning but as the game goes on he misfires. I have to wonder what type of shape his body is in. He’s sucking wind – maybe it’s those big-ass earings that’s weighing him down. He needs to drop some weight. NO SACKS – NO INTS BUT NO TDS. He look exhausted by the end of the game. A rocket for an arm but has to hit the bulls-eye. Our franchise needs to start to step up and I think he will be a good one but it’s p to him. On Michael Bush – he needs to be showcased for a draft pick. I do think his future is here. Today put us back AGAIN- NO ONE STEPPED UP. A WASTED OPPORTUNITY AND AT HOME AGAIN. If everyone coached and played better no reason why a 27-10 win should not have happened today. It’s a shame because the AFC West is horrible this year.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
AND POST-98
November 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Maryland, I certain hope that was a passing play on that fake fg. If it wasnt then it is a very dumb call. Cable lost the game for us today. He singlehandledly cost us 13 points swing today by goign on 4th downs. He is trying to hard to score a TD in the first half and it bit him in the a$$ today. Good thing Thursday is coming up fast.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Kiffin doesn’t work here any longer.get over him.it’s too bad he wasn’t allowed to put the team together.then at least we could either blame him or give him credit.but let us not forget-he didn’t want Hall or Walker,and the people who have replaced them are improvements
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I’m p&ssed….WE JUST LOST TO THE CHIEFS!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Jim, It is mind blowing how bad the AFC West is. If the Raiders were even halfway decent we would be in contention for the playoffs.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
At least I have my Sharks to root for. Between the Raiders, A’s and the Miami Heat, I’m in for a lot of losses. It feels so weird to go from watching teams that don’t have a prayer to watching a championship (stanley cup) contender.
The difference is in how the organizations are being run.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
S&B colllective ditto for me too!!!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
We got caught looking at Thursdays game, thinking this was a gimme and trying to have too much fun instead of keeping our eyes on the prize.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Please tell me Nation—-who is the best coach/ GM combo for next year for this debacle? My vote would be for GM that dude on NFL NETWORK and for coach I think Steve ( MOOCH) or D-Green maybe throw the keys to this mess to Marty ball or the Chin Cowler..Hell I can’t spell—anyhow give me some feed back. MMMMMOOOOCH!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
S&B-i didn’t mean i agreed with what we did.i was just saying what most would have been saying if it had worked.believe me,i was screaming for us to kick the FG.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I have lost all confidence in Russell’s accuracy. Besides all the other hiccups during the game, his horrible passes stuck out to me the most. It’s like his arm has a mind of its own. Oh well, if we win the next 4 and Denver loses the next 4, we might have a chance at the playoffs. Haha, fingers crossed.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Coyote. Are you talking about Pat Kirwan? If so, he actually knows Al Davis. He’s on Sirius NFL radio too.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
i DO NOT want any ex-whiner coach coaching our team.Knapp is bad enough.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Has anyone considered that maybe poor execution was the problem on the fake FG?
The fake punt was great against the Jets.
We are playing alot of young guys and we are getting them experience. Draft for both lines this April,keep Cable and maybe we get to eight wins next year.
If anybody wants to complain blame the 2003-2006 drafts. We threw away four years.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Asomugha, looked no better than huff covering tight ends. Asomugha started complaining when kiffy got fired. He should be traded for some picks..
Primetime, was rarely tested but, still affected the game.. I don’t see that in Asomugha!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Some thoughts….
Fargas sucks. Why this guy starts is beyond me. McFadden and Bush are better.
Ditch the “Wildcat formation.” It doesn’t work. You got a quarterback you are paying $30 million dollars to, and you are going to make him a wide receiver?
Tell Russell to run the ball more and eat less BBQ. He weights 270, and he’s afraid to run the football?
Russell is rushing his throws and thinking too much. Hire Rich Gannon to coach him even for one day.
The trick play + Fargas + Wildcat Formation beat us today.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
#118 ooooh did you say tight end?
November 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Oh yea, Rob Ryan deserves a kick in the nuts for his inability to stop the same exact play to Gonzalez for a buttload of third down conversions in a row. A kick in the ass too for letting Thigpen run circles around the defense.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Once again, where was Michael Bush. How come he does not become the red zone back. 2nd and 3..and we keep on running Fargas.
Cable needs to go. His refusal to properly use Bush, DMAC and Fargas in situation is just tired now. I am tired of complaining about NOT seeing Bush in the red zone and short yardage. Sick and tired of not seeing DMAC get more touches. Just sick.
The impulse call to fake the field goal on 4TH AND 10…..is unacceptable. Going for it on 4th and 2 AFTER FAILING THE FAKE ON THE PREVIOUS PLAY is unacceptable.
Cable is not a head coach and he lost this game today
November 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Dmac=7carries for 13 yds.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Funny how last week all these “bring back Kittens” were no where to be found and they reared their ugly heads again after this loss.
The team is fine. The coach is fine. The talent is decent enough with a few more players to be added. Cable tried too hard today and changed the game for us. give credit to Gonzales…his pushoffs were awesome and it maintained their drives in the 2nd half. The Gonzales we saw today was the Gonzales that we saw when Elvis GrBac was their QB. He was unstoppable with those pushoffs.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Unknown, relax and keep the faith man. Primetime was never assigned to cover a TE. Aso had his hands full with this big TE today. Gonzales stlll is a monster if they throw him the ball. The reason why they have been sucking is they stopped throwing him the ball ever since Green became their QB..give him his dues.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
This game can be summed as: coulda, woulda and the ever popular shoulda
November 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Hellllllllllo! Laaaaaaaaaadies! And Charged Up (the Ozzie Osbourne wannabe). Which one of your teams is going to win on Thursday? Thusly being the team to run the table and take the AFC West division
WAY TO GO NINERS!!!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I don’t think Lechler and Janikowski should submit the tape of that fake field goal try for their Harlem Globetrotters audition.
However, Cable has a future as the next “Red” Klotz.
A fake FG run on 4th and 10 by a 260-pound kicker? Brilliant.
Oh well, it was worth a try. Only a 10-point swing. How much did we lose by anyway?
November 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
AlisGod,
Cable’s playcalling lost the game today. The Raiders are not good enough to leave points on the floor. Today the Raiders left 6 points on the floor. In addition, the Raiders GAVE the Chiefs 7 on that B.S fake.
Cable still does not know how to properly utilize our running backs. What possible justification is there for NOT using Bush in the red zone?
Let’s start talking about who the next head coach will be….
November 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
I sure hope we hire a decent coach in order to COACH these players. When will Al figure out that you need a coach; this isn’t the 70’s when we had great players, a mystic, and people wanted to come here. This is reality now where we have average players; a losing tradition, and no one WANTS to come here. Oh wait, Al has already screwed over our chances at getting a decent coach. I remember the last two guys got the job be default…
November 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
alisodd-it’s funny,you and unknown are the ones who keep bringing up the ex coach who was let go10 weeks ago.most of us have gotten over him-too bad you can’t.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
wildcat is useless with out the threat of pass. Let Dmac throw it and all of the sudden it gets a little more respect.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
S&B – Nation Collective – That would be Jim Harbagh
November 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
AlisGod, I’ll never leave the RAIDERS!!! Never!!!
But, Asomugha, has been very critical publicly lately.. He wanted to keep kiffy and Hall. He is starting to become a cancer!!! With a new scheme, we wouldnt need an $80 million dollar cornerback. He will only get you 2 or maybe 3 picks a year!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
#114 yes Pat Kirwan–he is a numbers and football guy that is up to date around the NFL–Al Davis yes men need to go and take J Russ with them-my reason is simple/ J/Russ is and has no idea what is going on-Free agent QB for about a quarter of J/Russ pay and oh ya the Q/B won’t be fat and in accurate —aaahhhh i hate losing every tear–Al Davis YOU SUCK!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Should have NEVER got rid of Lane Kiffin
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satisfied now Lefty?
November 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
You can’t rip Nnamdi. He wasn’t even on Gonzalez for most of those catches. Wilson was.
And that’s not even an abnormally great game for Gonzalez. So Wilson wasn’t even that bad, although he did drop a lollipop of an interception.
This game is all on:
1) Cable, for the special teams fake FG. Worst call ever. Janikowski has only missed once or twice inside 50 all year. That was from 43. And it was a 4th-and-10! You really expect him to take the ball 8-yards-deep in our own backfield and outrun the KC defense for a 1st-down?!?! With our offense, the odds are we end up lining up for another FG try a few plays later anyway.
2) The offense. Looked good early but couldn’t finish those first few drives with TDs. Got sloppy late with drops, bad throws and fumbles.
The defense basically gave up 13 points and got us 7. The offense should be able to make up the difference.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Unknown Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
AlisGod, I’ll never leave the RAIDERS!!! Never!!!
But, Asomugha, has been very critical publicly lately.. He wanted to keep kiffy and Hall. He is starting to become a cancer!!! With a new scheme, we wouldnt need an $80 million dollar cornerback. He will only get you 2 or maybe 3 picks a year!!!
Imagine if he goes to the Broncos, poor ole JR would be out of the league the following year.
WAY TO GO NINERS!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
there was allot of debate back in April on who the Raiders should take in the draft Dorsey vs. McFadden. Frankly I was underwhelmed by both in today’s match up.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
i wonder if Russell’s inaccuracy is partly due to the fact that he isn’t in proper shape.maybe if he lost about 25 lbs. his accuracy would improve.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Unknown, I hear ya. I know you wouldnt leave the Raiders. I was referring to Aso.
However I still feel that with Aso and Johnson, the opposing QB doesnt have receivers to go to. Gonzales is a freak of nature as a TE. I remember him back to the Elvis Grbac days and he played like that today. I mean he caught a lot of tough balls….however, I think he gets away with tons of push offs.
Cable lost the game for us today. Nation is correct that giving freebies to KC was a mistake. Cable is trying to hard to score a TD in the first half. He needs to back off and take the points. 13 point swing today from Cable. Take away those 13 points and the game would have played very different. Looking forward to his post game conf tomorrow.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
McFadden had a few nice catches. Fargas played great outside of the fumble. But I still think it’s time to let McFadden star.
Dorsey has been a huge bust so far. Still plenty of time for him to turn it around though.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
He has no receivers.
November 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
i said most not all.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Unknown,
Aso admitted he may have problems with Gonzales before today. Aso’s main game is man press but you can’t do that to a TE with so much weight diff. The Raiders should have double Gonzales today. That was a mistake on Rob Ryan.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Even with the bad offense, I say it was the defense.. Those qb runs was crucial and we didnt stop any of them..
November 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
We need to bring in Jim Fassel. JaMarcus has all the potential in the world. He just needs to get his footwork and a few other things fixed. Fassel is the man to do that.
Imagine this team with its ability to run the ball, play defense and have an elite QB with, hopefully, an upgrade at WR and OL in the off-season. That’s a contender.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
granted,our WRs are not great,but so far our QB hasn’t shown the ability to consistently hit them when they are open.today he had plenty of open receivers and missed them.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Unknown 145,
True. It was so obvious a QB draw was coming on that 3rd-and-4 when KC eventually scored the go-ahead TD. Can’t believe the defense wasn’t ready for that.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
AlisGod, the contract should get is to much for us to afford. He has proved he can’t improve our defense by himself..
We could get a lot for him, I know!!
Our problem is scheme and sot run defense!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Soft run defense, I meant.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
where was Huff today?i thought he was our TE shut down guy.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
THAT’S THE ? LEFTY’ DOES Q.B. MAKE THE RECIEVER , OR DOES REC. MAKE THE Q.B.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
The contract he should get, I meant..
I’m as bad as the Raiders today!! lol
November 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I guess a 9-3 lead at the half was not acceptable today since we won big last week. Why the coaches tried to get greedy today in the first half or expected more from their players on the 4th down plays Jerry will have to ask them that qestion. The fake FG was not a challenge to the players but more of a bad call. The 4th down try to the endzone was a challenge to Jamarcus. Hopefully they had a reason to believe from watching him in practice that he could make that throw in the game. Just tough to ask a yong QB to make that throw when the defense is playing well. I guess the coaches do not know the capabilities of their players as much as they should or else those plays would not have been called. The lousy Chargers are next.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Ronald Curry, Higgins, Lelie= You tell me!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Draft positioning will heat up 2 games from now!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Jamarcus Russell looks like he ate Steve McNair
November 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Unknown, you have a good point. If we can trade him for a legit O lineman and draft, I’ll do it in a heart beat.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Section 226-it’s probably a little of both.but you could have the best WRs in the game and if the QB can’t get them the ball they will look mediocre or worse.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
226-also,if you are paying your QB $60 million you’d think he could make avg. WRs look better.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Seriously, what is Russell eating? I know he’s wearing rib protectors, so you can’t really see his gut but the back of his neck looks like a pack of hot dogs.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Jim, you can tell Cable is pressing really hard to score a tD in the first half. He pulled the same stunts last week in Denver too. I hope he learned his lessons today. It is not about how many points you score but it is about getting that W.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Our receivers did not show up. Lelie played like he has in every single game but his revenge game versus Denver: Like he could care less if he were out there. At least Todd Watkins looked like he wanted to be out there.
That game hinged on three plays. The fake FG, Fargas’ fumble in the second half, and Wilson dropping a sure INT. We make any of those plays we win. We didn’t. We lose. That’s the margin of error in the NFL. If we can’t beat a 1-10 team in our own yard, we are the worst team in the AFC West Division.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
i haven’t given up on Russell yet,but i’d like to see some serious dedication.and he could first show that by losing at least 25 lbs. and getting in better shape.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I guess an inferior team CAN beat a superior team on any given Sunday. A superior team should never overlook an inferior team. But it DOES happen!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I AGREE W/YOU LEFTY, WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A REC. LEAVE HIS FEET 4 A BALL OR GO OVER THE MIDDLE MORE THAN 1 TIME A GAME.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Yeah, Russy has some accuracy problems.. But, what I like about him is he doesn’t turn the ball over.. I forgot about the fumbles… lol
I actually blame the wr’s more than him, especially Curry… Curry hasn’t made 1 big play yet for Russy!! A lot of times all good qb’s are bailed out by good wr play!!
For example, Steve Smith made an unbelievable catch at the end for Delhomme today!! If it was Curry, it would’ve been an incomplete or int, a 100% of the time!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
No one is talking about the miss on Higgins. According to Buerline, it was his fault. Higgins was supposed to break to the middle on that pattern and he never did. That would have scored 7 right there.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
The third down pass to Lelie on the left side was so close I could have caught it. Jamarcus delivered it right where he should have. Lelie never even looked for it.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Russy’s size has nothing to do with accuracy.. Do any of y’all think he was 225 at some point in college or the pros??? No.
Jani’s weight has nothing to do with his accuracy!!
The bottom line is he’s a baby learning how to play the NFL game!! With a healthy Mcfadden, left Tackle and at least 1 good wr, you’ll see a much better Russy next year!! Not a Peyton Manning, but, a better Russy!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Curry was 3 yds behind the DB on the 4th down play and was overthrown,although he shouldn’t have dived for the ball,he should have kept running.Higgins was behind his guy the play or two before,although if he would have turned inside he MIGHT have gotten to the ball.but a good throw by Russell and either of those would have been a TD.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Well misery loves company and my silver lining is the SuperChokers lost as well. Talking about under achieving.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
AlisGod, I blame Russy for that 1. He could have just loft the ball for an easy score!! Manning or Brady makes that throw 50 out of 50 times!!! That was Russy’s fault that time!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Lefty, that miss on Curry was bad. You want to be a big time player you need to make those. That miss on Higgins I think was higgins fault. He never adjusted his pattern after reading the safety. I doublt he even bothered to read the safety. Higgins is a headcase.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
it is true we don’t have franchise WRs to make our QB look good.but we supposedly have a franchise QB who should make avg. WRs look good.so far not so good.but i haven’t given up hope.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
AlisGod (go Warriors go Sharks) Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Well misery loves company and my silver lining is the SuperChokers lost as well. Talking about under achieving.
I still want to know who is going to win on Thursday, run the table and win the division!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Lefty you are exactly right. Perfect play call, ball was perfectly delivered and Curry should have just kept running. He didn’t. Over on downs.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
yeah, Russy is not known for touch passes. He will have to learn that. I will give him time since he is so young.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
The major problem with Jamarcus is his conditioning. His accuracy will continue to improve as his weight goes down. Tendonitis in the knee at his age is a sign he nedds to get down. If he plays well and we win some more games that’s fine with me. I don’t ask the bartender to put the Raider game on every Sunday so I can look forward to another Top 5 draft pick. Life’s too short. 1984 is a long time ago.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
a perfectly delivered ball would have hit him in the hands.but he should have kept running-he might have gotten to the ball.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
MC FADDEN CAN CATCH , SO CAN MILLER, A GAME BREAKING WIDE-OUT W/NO FEAR WOULD BE HUGE IMO
November 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
With Russell is it’s not like he is standing back there with a hour to throw. His line is getting shoved back in his face, his receivers are piss poor at best, Zack Miller is the only guy who shows up week in and week out, and once defenses take him away, basically it is “ball game is over”. Russell had a bad game out there today. You expect that from a young QB. He is going to be inconsistent. The Raiders need to take a play out of the KC playbook and try to get the guy some other players on offense. KC took Brandon Albert LT in the first round to go with Brian Waters their pro bowl guard. They have a future hall of famer in Tony Gonzalez. Just imagine if Jamarcus had those guys.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I think JR’s biggest issues are his techniques. You are usually not accurate throwing off your back foot except for last week’s pass to Lelie. He needs to be more disciplined and hopefully in time.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
WHAT IS PERFECT PLAYING WEIGHT FOR 6-6 PLUS Q.B. ?
November 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I don’t know AIG, the first few passes Jamarcus threw had a lot of touch on them.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
gotta go-thanks for the conversation without the bs.go Raiders.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
AlisGod, I really believe next year can be a good year!! Me and the Nation says the same thing every year!! lol
Seriously, here’s how: There will be major changes! Cable wont be back, even though I think he can win with the right talent! The entire offense and defensive staff will be gone also, except for a couple of die hards like Lofton or somebody!! Al knows he is getting older and wants another S. Bowl victory and will bring the right players and coaches, along this time!! Besides, Russy will have worked out the kinks and will be in his 3rd year!! It took Cutler’s 3rd year to become somebody!!
Finally, I can’t wait to see Al’s Super Bowl victory press Conference!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I am convinced that Russell is not receiving very good coaching. Russell was a very accurate quarterback in the Streetball League (SEC) completing 65%.
I think the substandard coaches that Al Davis continues to bring in is hurting the development of Russell, DMAC, Bush et al
November 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I am convinced that Russell is not receiving very good coaching. Russell was a very accurate quarterback in the Streetball League (SEC) completing 65%.
I think the substandard coaches that Al Davis continues to bring in is hurting the development of Russell, DMAC, Bush et al
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree. That’s what I just posted about.. The right offensive head coach can do wonders with Russy!!!
Andy Reid was awesome with McNabb’s development!!
November 30th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I am convinced that Russell is not receiving very good coaching. Russell was a very accurate quarterback in the Streetball League (SEC) completing 65%.
I think the substandard coaches that Al Davis continues to bring in is hurting the development of Russell, DMAC, Bush et al
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“Russell’s a very accurate quarterback” Thats not entirely true.
Russell was never forced to be accurate in school. He had receivers who would run under or go and get errant throws.
No such in Silver and Black.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
We need an offensive coach that knows QBs. Russell was considered a top prospect by several scouts, GMs, pundits etc….
The Raiders have never been good at developing young players. They better get a real coach in here this winter.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
AlisGod (go Warriors go Sharks) Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I think JR’s biggest issues are his techniques. You are usually not accurate throwing off your back foot except for last week’s pass to Lelie. He needs to be more disciplined and hopefully in time.
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Doesn’t set his feet.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
SECTION 226 Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
MC FADDEN CAN CATCH , SO CAN MILLER, A GAME BREAKING WIDE-OUT W/NO FEAR WOULD BE HUGE IMO
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McFadden had a few nice grabs today, but I’ll tell you right here right now, he was NOT 100% against the Chiefs.
Slip slidin’ on cuts and goin’ down with very very little contact.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Unknown, i am not as opti as you but if you are right I aint complaining. I think we are very close. We controlled the game today but the little things killed us. Give Russ a lil more time to learn with his receivers. Better yet allow Russy to audible when he learns the book. I say keep Cable and continue on this.
Pick up a couple of Olinemen in the offseason and we are competing for the div again. Superbowls are too distant for me right now. Win the div is all I want for the next step next year.
November 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Nnamdi21,
I no longer believe in drafting QBs from the SEC or Big 12. Those conferences play streetball. Like the And 1 Mixtape is to the NBA.
Anyway, Russell looked really, really bad again. I just challenge the preparation and what they work on in practice. How can the QB not have any rhythm with any of his receivers. Everything is high or off target.
Russell can still be good. But the clock is running. Too bad. Because if Russell fails, it will be back to the retread rejects that the Raiders have run through as QB for the last few years.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Nnamdi, you are seeing the same thing I am then. I agree 100%. He relies on his arm and will not be accurate until he learns to not throw off the back foot.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Nnamdi, correct again on Russell’s comp % in college. he had guys like Bowe that goes up for jump balls. We dont have anyone doing that consistently right now other than Miller.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
AlisGod, we all know Cable won’t be back!! Russy will have to learn another system, but, with the right attacking scheme we should be much better!! We should save a lot of money by erasing walker, huff, hall, and burgess since his deal is up this year!! I know he doesn’t want to stay here!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Can anyone say: DENVER BRONCOS 2008 AFC WEST CHAMPIONS?
November 30th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Russell is an incredibly accurate QB. There is no denying that. He has developed some bad habits, kind of winging it at times. That can be corrected. The way he is running for his life most of the time you can hardly blame him.
This was another classic team loss. Poor coaching decision to go for fake FG. Ryan took too long to figure out how to stop Thigpens running. The offense reverted back to their #32 ranking. The defense could not make a stop when it had to. Janikowsky and Lechler screwed up a play.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Well I just read that they had that fake FG play in there since last year and they worked on it every week. I am trying to figure out how Kiffy and Cable think Jano can run 10 yards to even have it in the playbook.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Unknown, If Cable goes 6-10 I think he will be back.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
AlisGod (go Warriors go Sharks) Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Well I just read that they had that fake FG play in there since last year and they worked on it every week. I am trying to figure out how Kiffy and Cable think Jano can run 10 yards to even have it in the playbook.
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Do that on 4th & 2 not 4th &10!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Spider Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Can anyone say: DENVER BRONCOS 2008 AFC WEST CHAMPIONS?
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Can anyone say: Eliminated in round one after “winning” the biggest joke of a division?
Listen, Brandon Marshall is one Daquiri away from expulsion and your RB’s are one injury away from suiting up Shanahan.
Ease down little lady…
November 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Cable said, “The Fake FG wasn’t that big a deal at the time, well, obviously the touchdown was a big deal…”
Gee, ya think?
Let’s see. You have a change to go up 6-3 and keep the confidence up, but instead you hand KC a 10-3 lead and kill the moral of the players.
Nice job coach.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Well, AIG, that play was right in front of me, I didn’t think Jano had a snowballs chance in hell of getting two yards, more or less 10. That was a bad play call. For the 2nd year in a row, we have a rookie head coach. Rookie coaches are going to make rookie mistakes just like players. Chalk that one up to experience right there.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
AlisGod, I think the entire staff needs to be gone including Lofton!! It’s no way in the world we will win 3 more games with this talent!!!
The players need not look any of these losing coaches in the eye next year!!
Besides, Al didn’t even know Cable’s name when he became interim coach!! I still don’t believe Al hired him!! lol
November 30th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
What a day!!!!! Broncos, Nuggets and MR’s Niners WIN!!!! Chargers and faders LOSE!!!! Spider is going to sleep well tonight!!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Cable lost this game pure and simple. Quite frankly, bad coaching has plagued this team all year.
Buffalo – Poor offensive and defensive playcalling in 4th QTR
San Diego – Kiffin on the 76 yard kick instead of trying to get closer, Defensive playcalling killed the team
Carolina – Offensive game plan was a disgrace
Miami – Another 4th QTR Collapse
K.C – Nuff said
Al Davis HAS to get help picking the next coach
November 30th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Cable excepts no responsibility for play calling. Deciding instead to blame turnovers and time-of-possession in the 2nd half.
What about the 1st half coach?
Cable – “I think you need to be creative and have creativity. It gives the players something to focus on and go out and be creative and have fun doing it.”
Fundamentals are not enough for these guys? They need trick plays to have fun?
How about focusing on their assignment and executing basic fundamentals without error and penalties.
Shouldn’t winning be the main priority?
For Cable, it’s having fun and being creative.
He found really creative ways to give this game away today.
Hope it was fun.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
*accepts*
November 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Raiders play A.F.C football….Another Fourth-quarter Collapse!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
K rock, it was only 1 trick play!!! Games are won in the 2nd half!! That’s how the good teams do it in the 4th quarter in any league!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
# Unknown Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
K rock, it was only 1 trick play!!! Games are won in the 2nd half!! That’s how the good teams do it in the 4th quarter in any league!!
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At what point did you start thinking the Raiders were a good team?
This team needs to get leads early and build on them.
They are not built to play from behind.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Unknown,
THe trick play resulted in 7 free pts for K.C. Our team is not good enough to give away points.
raiders should have been up 9-3 at half time. Play straight up…
Cable has to go
November 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Raiders new mascot should be a blind squirrel
November 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
You can’t blame this loss on Tom Cable. That is a ridiculous statement. But again, so many fans have been blaming all our losses on Rob Ryan as well. In the 2nd half, Fargas fumbles on our side of the field, untouched, after a 10 yard gain. That right there probably cost the game. Wilson dropping a sure interception, that sustained a drive that resulted in the winning margin. That right there was the game. Jamarcus had a bad game. The receivers did nothing. Any ONE of those things cost this game. To blame any ONE of them, is ridiculous. Team loss.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
K rock, we had numerous leads this year and lost them!! Most of the close games we had this year we lost them!!!
It doesn’t matter if we have leads in the final 4 games, we’ll be lucky to win 1 with this dearth of talent!!!
K rock, a field goal instead of the fake would brought us this same fate, today!!! Look at our record and talent that kiffy left!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
this one hurt. there is no excuse for losing to KC. they are only a TINY bit better than the lions.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Oakglenn’s Revenge Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
You can’t blame this loss on Tom Cable. That is a ridiculous statement. But again, so many fans have been blaming all our losses on Rob Ryan as well. In the 2nd half, Fargas fumbles on our side of the field, untouched, after a 10 yard gain. That right there probably cost the game. Wilson dropping a sure interception, that sustained a drive that resulted in the winning margin. That right there was the game. Jamarcus had a bad game. The receivers did nothing. Any ONE of those things cost this game. To blame any ONE of them, is ridiculous. Team
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Thank you!!!
How many different ways can I say we HAVE NO TALENT!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I am not giving excuses to the players either.
Cable did not lose the game. The Raiders lost the game.
Cable did make mistakes that put his players in bad situations.
He got behind and went away from the running game too fast in the 2nd half.
Russell had a bad day.
Miller dropped passes.
Higgins made a bad read when middle of the field was open.
Plenty of blame to go around, but it starts with the coach. Young players + bad coaching = loss
November 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
200. OakGlenn
Yup.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Unknown Says: How many different ways can I say we HAVE NO TALENT!!!
You’re just now figuring that out:-)
November 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
FAHQ!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
One main reason I brought up Cable was because I was interested in seeing if he would take the heat and assume some responsibility for the poor play calling.
He did not. He defended it.
How about, “This one’s on me fellas. I made some bad decisions early and let KC into this game. I will learn and be better next time.”
November 30th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Oakglenn’s Revenge Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
You can’t blame this loss on Tom Cable. That is a ridiculous statement. But again, so many fans have been blaming all our losses on Rob Ryan as well. In the 2nd half, Fargas fumbles on our side of the field, untouched, after a 10 yard gain. That right there probably cost the game. Wilson dropping a sure interception, that sustained a drive that resulted in the winning margin. That right there was the game. Jamarcus had a bad game. The receivers did nothing. Any ONE of those things cost this game. To blame any ONE of them, is ridiculous. Team loss.
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F’in A. Guys didn’t make plays. Gibril’s bobble of a sure pick would’ve killed a KC drive and kept points off the board. Little plays like a lob ball 3rd and long to Gonzales added with all the rigga ma roll killed us.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
can we please get a real, qualified NFL head coach
November 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Bottom line. We got f’in cute and disrespectful with the Chiefs and it cost us.
Take this **** seriously Cable and Co.!!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
That game was a horrible display, the Raiders almost looked as bad as the Chargers and that’s a low blow for sure.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Spider, I”ve been knowing this for about the last 4 years. A team with talent doesn’t win 4 games a year!! You didn’t know that?
November 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
# Spider Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Unknown Says: How many different ways can I say we HAVE NO TALENT!!!
You’re just now figuring that out:-)
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Had enough talent to spank the Broncos in Denver.
Just young and inconsistent talent that needs to be molded by an experienced HC.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Nnamdi21, Even our announcers on the radio were saying we got too cute. I think disrespectful was a great word to use.
They were riding a little too high after that win last week.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Miami has 1 terrible season and goes out and overhauls the front office and coaching staff.
Raiders have 6 terrible seasons. Does nothing.
November 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Bottom line. We got f’in cute and disrespectful with the Chiefs and it cost us
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That’s right. Just play straight up and we win.
Cable has too much of that Dick Vermeil feel good stuff for me. That doesn’t work in Oakland. I don’t care what anyone says, that hocus pocus fake field goal AND going for it on 4th and 2 lost this game.
Get a real coach
November 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
KC started TWO ROOKIE CB’s = RAIDERS WR’s caught ONE ball for ZREO YARDS !!!! baaaaaawaaaaahahahaha
November 30th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
K-Rock Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
# Spider Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Unknown Says: How many different ways can I say we HAVE NO TALENT!!!
You’re just now figuring that out:-)
………
Had enough talent to spank the Broncos in Denver.
Just young and inconsistent talent that needs to be molded by an experienced HC.
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k rock, that’s 1 game.. The lions wont have talent if they win 1 game this season!!
We will be switching coaches every year if we kept 75% of these losers!!
November 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
This was a classic case of recievers and QB not oln the same page. Russell struggled badly today and at one point his confidence was obviously shaken.
Russell needs to really work on his footwork in he offseason it’s very sloppy at times. You can’t arm the ball in this your mechanics must be sound and his are erratic at best that is the biggest reason for the inconsistency.
Lelie’s head was not in this game. He ran bad routes several times of which Oak has already mentioned. When that happens the QB starts guessing and that I believe led to Russell loss of confidence.
Russell is still leaning on one player way too much. If e would spread the ball around he would be more successful IMO. When Lelie wasn’t into the game, Russell continued to go to him when Higgins was beating his man like a drum. Russell must get that fixed.
Fargas’s fumble killed us I really felt we would win until that happened. Bad timing, horrible play. If we answered with a TD on that drive we win this game……………period
Everyone keeps calling for DMC to get 20 carries I disagree to a certain extent. He’s just not himself, he’s misreading blocks and is struggling seeing holes. The last few weeks since he’s been back he’s missed several opportunities for huge plays. As he starts to see those more then yeah, he should start but today he should’ve made bigger plays with the touches he got. I’m not sure why but he struggles carries the ball out of the backfield, there are cutback lanes and he never sees them.
Our lack of big plays 40+ yards is killing this team, we work too hard to score. I feel that is our biggest problem. Everything is short of the goaline it’s mistifying.
November 30th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
2nd and 3 in the red zone….How come Bush does not get the ball? Fargas is not a short yardage back! Cable is a terrible offensive coach
November 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
DarthPirate Says:
November 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Nnamdi21, Even our announcers on the radio were saying we got too cute. I think disrespectful was a great word to use.
They were riding a little too high after that win last week.
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yup, yup. http://www.raidernationstation.com
November 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Black hole Priest said:
” I’m not sure why but he (DMC) struggles carries the ball out of the backfield, there are cutback lanes and he never sees them.”
He sees them just can’t cut.
Turf toes still bad…
November 30th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
238. Bush makes more sense in short yardage but not sure if they trust him with ball security…
November 30th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
241. To be honest, I’m not sure that Bush is a short yardage back. He seems to be better in space.
November 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Nnamdi is exactly right. We did get too cute and it pissed them off. The other excellent point Nnamdi makes is they made plays. We didn’t. We had that game in our grasp and gave it away. When they needed a first down, Thigpen busted gains for 20 yards on his own. Look at the ball he threw to Gonzalez on the left boundary on third and 14 in the second half. How do they make that play??? The final third down conversion with CJ all over the reciever. Their guys came down with it. Their guys made the plays over and over. Our guys fumbled the ball without being touched. Our guys couldn’t get open. Our guys dropped int’s. Our guys got cute on a fake punt and effed sh** up. That’s the difference between wins and losses games in this league.
November 30th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Once again we can go back to letting rob ryan call the run D when we are trying to get the ball back, what happen to cable calling all the plays? other than that I thought, besides the loss, our offesne looks better…charged up, we are beating you guys on thursday so dont look forward to it, 17-10 RAIDERS
May 30th, 2009 at 3:07 am
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