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A Raiders and Moss reunion

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, December 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Randy Moss is living the good life with the New England Patriots, where by all accounts, he’s been a team leader and professional enough to meet or exceed the exacting standards set by Bill Belichick.

The same Moss who used indifference as a weapon to get himself traded from the Oakland Raiders to the Patriots for a fourth round draft pick.

In preparation for Sunday’s game at the Coliseum agaisnt the Raiders, Moss and the Patriots will be practicing at San Jose State this week. They opted to remain on the West Coast following a 24-21 win over the Seattle Seahawks rather fly home and then double back.

It’s doubtful the Raiders will be sending a police motorcade to bring Moss to the Coliseum, as they did when the trade with Minnesota for Napoleon Harris and a first-round draft pick became official.

In 29 games with the Patriots, Moss has 159 receptions, 2,334 yards and 31 touchdowns. In 29 games with the Raiders in 2005 and 2006, Moss had 102 receptions for 1,558 yards and 11 touchdowns.

Al Davis is still steaming over allowing Lane Kiffin to talk him into dumping the most explosive receiver of his era, saying the coaching staff didn’t feel they could deal with Moss.

Kiffin’s version, of course, was much different. Kiffin said Moss told him his problems were not with the then-rookie coach, but with the organization.

Considering the rejuvenation of Moss, one could conclude it was the Raiders which dragged down the receiver rather than Moss contributing to the continuing demise of the Raiders.

In reality, Moss and the Raiders were bad for each other.

Through training camp and the first four games of the 2005 season, Moss was everything the Raiders expected and more. There was a miracle a day in Napa, the most incredible training camp I’ve ever seen from a Raiders player. Some of his catches defied description.

“Randy and C-Wood (Charles Woodson) used to go at each other all the time,” Raiders wide receiver Ronald Curry said Monday. “I never had seen anyone get the best of C-Wood time and again but Randy seemed to be one of those guys that did.

“A lot of guys struggled against C-Wood, but Randy came in and did well against him. To me, that pretty much told me how good he was.”

Through four games, Moss had 19 catches for 466 yards and two touchdowns. There were scoring plays of 73 and 64 yards, plus another of 79 yards. When the 2008 Raiders finish a 16-game season, there won’t be a single wide receiver anywhere near 466 yards.

Following a bye in Week 6, Moss went up for a leaping attempt against San Diego, came down in a heap with injuries to his pelvis and groin, and from that point on, things were never the same.

He played 24 more games and was only over 100 yards twice. He finished 2005 with 60 catches for 1,005 yards, with injuries assuming much of the blame.

In 2006, there was no magic in training camp, and Moss looked ordinary. The week of the opener, Moss said on a weekly radio spot that things were “fishy” in Oakland.

Moss dropped passes, blamed the miscues on being unhappy, loafed his way through pass routes and had 42 catches for 553 yards and three touchdowns through 14 games before calling it quits with an ankle injury.

There was some speculaton among NFL types that Moss had lost his legs, and that being a jump-and-catch receiver who relied on speed and athleticism rather than precision, he would never return to the form of his prime with Minnesota.

Davis did not agree, but reluctantly traded Moss for a fourth-round draft pick. The owner went on record at Rich Gannon’s retirement press conference saying he had regrets about trading Moss and that he was convinced Moss could still play.

The fourth-round pick for the Raiders turned out to be Cincinnati defensive back John Bowie, who never left the bench in 2007 and is on injured resrerve this season.

As Moss re-ignited with the Patriots, former Raiders defensive back Jarrod Cooper noted, “That’s OK. At least we got Bowie.”

Raiders coach Tom Cable was delighted to plead ignorance where Moss and the Raiders were concerned.

“I was not part of any of that,” Cable said. “I knew he was here. I thought he was going to be here. So I really didn’t know anything about that.”

The Moss situation spoke to the declining state of the franchise. Once upon a time, the Raiders were a perfect place for an iconoclast. The various behaviorial quirks and “I play when I want to play” persona would have been welcomed and even celebrated.

But without a self-policing group of veteran players and with a dearth of victories, Moss simply quit trying until he got his way and was sent out of town.

He remains reviled not only by some in the media but by old-school players and coaches who believe there is never any excuse for giving less than a best effort, regardless of the circumstances.

But there was a big difference from Moss and the 49ers-vintage Terrell Owens, who moved about as a loner in the locker room with many teammates not knowing what to make of him or having outright dislike for him.

Moss engendered very little ill-will amongst his teammates despite an obvious lack of effort. Curry said he would remember Moss as No. 18, the number he wore in Oakland.

“Randy was great in the locker room. He was great to be around,” Curry said. “I’d take him any day. He was a good person.”

Curry shrugged off the Moss years in Oakland as a blip on the radar screen.

“A pro is a pro. You’re here to play. People are going to have off years, down years here and there,” Curry said. “Two of his down years were here. It didn’t make his career. It might have made him a little hungrier. That may be one of the reasons why he is doing what he’s doing now.”

That’s not the kind of credit Davis had in mind when it comes to the legacy of Randy Moss.

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  • Larry Brown, MVP

    Randy Moss, whatever. The guy´s a quiter. I don’t watch many Patriots games, but I know Moss aint no Hines Ward, he’s got no fight. I was really happy when he left. He might be the most dangerous weapon in the NFL when playing with Brady, but here in Oak he looked like Javon Walker, Jerry Porter, Roland Curry, etc. No fight, no effort, no interest, etc.

  • RaiderRockstar

    There’s still some time to cast your Pro Bowl votes. The Raiders have two players that should be in the game:

    CB Nnamdi Asomugha & P Shane Lechler

    VOTE VOTE VOTE!

  • hwnrdr

    I’m here Rockstar…just that bosses are in now, so…

  • RaiderRockstar

    *The Raiders waived cornerback Michael Waddell today. The team hasn’t promoted anyone from the practice squad or signed a player yet.

    This would be the ideal time to promote another young player to get a head start on evaluating talent for next season.

    TE Darrell Strong or FB Marcel Reece would make sense. The Raiders have only two tight ends (Zach Miller, Tony Stewart). Unless the Raiders plan to bring back Luke Lawton, getting a look at Reece, a converted receiver would also make sense.

    That Reece could also be an H-Back which would also help with the need for a third tight end at times makes him a sensible option.

    -Jason Jones (Sac Bee)

    ***

    John Madsen or Darrell Strong would be good options for the 53 man roster.

  • RaiderRockstar

    The following players were released this week, maybe the Raiders should consider …

    WR Robert Ferguson
    DE Erasmus James
    CB Brian Kelly
    S Calvin Lowry

    ***

    Why did the Raiders bring in guards Coston & Gandy, then cut them both after only a week? Are we looking for another guard? Shouldn’t we be looking for tackles?

    Another thing I’d like to mention. ex-raider Darnell Bing just officially made the Lions 53 man roster after being promoted from their practice squad. Congrats! He and Quentin Moses were wastes of 3rd & 4th round picks. woohoo!

  • Filet o’ Fish

    kat Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 4:21 am
    Nobody wants to play in Oakland. Nobody.

    ………………………………………….

    very true!!!! they will sign here but they sure dont play hard. its the AD way.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Rookie Peyton Hillis joins tailbacks Andre Hall, Michael Pittman, Anthony Alridge and Ryan Torain on IR. Plus, Selvin Young, the starter when the season began, has carried just once in the last two months because of a torn groin. The Broncos are now down to their seventh tailback in Tatum Bell. The Broncos will promote Cory Boyd from the practice squad to compete with P.J. Pope to serve as Bell’s backup.

    Bell was selling cell phones at a local mall when he was re-signed last month. After a dismal season in Detroit, he was jettisoned by the Lions and went to work hawking cell phones and wireless plans at a kiosk at the Aurora Mall before the Broncos came calling again last month.

    ***

    where is spider? HAHAHAHAHA !!!

  • http://ibabuzz 4evaRaider

    just a thought;since “Tis the Season”,how ’bout every time you guys hear the song-On The First Day Of Christmas,in honor of Ja-Blingus,when they sing the line Five-Golden Rings,change it too 5 Golden BLINGS!!! Just something 2 think about =)

  • Filet o’ Fish

    GO KINGS!!!!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    4eva – Russell showing off diamonds and fur coats, while playing like complete crap on the football field is a disgrace to the Raider Nation. I understand the loss of his godmother has probably taken his toll on him, but he has to recognize his responsibility as a leader of this football team. It’s not about looking good, it’s about playing good. 2007 & 2008 Russell has been a theif. Davis made a financial committment to him in good faith, but Russell either doesn’t have what it takes, or isn’t putting in the effort. In either case, we’re screwed. Hopefully he dedicates this offseason to improving his game. He can’t use coaches or teammates as an excuse, he has to take it on himself to be a Pro Bowler or he will get the BUST label. Nobody that has pride would want that label slapped on them.

  • http://none MR

    Post 208. Man that was so fugging lame.

  • http://www.raiders.com JaMarcass “Bust” Russell

    I already have the “bust”. I suck ballz.

  • BIG AL’s GOON

    S&B – Nation Collective Says:

    Big Al’s Goon,
    The fact that we went 10-6 in 2001 only makes the inept draft more alarming. The Raiders should have been able to focus on one or two positions. AND the Raiders wouldn’t have had to worry about pressing those players into service.

    Tui was a great pick. Unfortunately the owner could settle in on a coach. Therefore no one there to tutor the QB while he sits watching GAnnon prepare. Then we bring in Collins which effectively ended Tui’s career.
    And all those veterans were at the end of their careers. Kennedy, Romo, Woodson, Rice, Gannon, Brown, all those guys were done within 1 or 2 years leaving the team with nothing. Why? Because Al Davis can’t draft AND he was relying on other teams dumping their aging stars (which didn’t happen)!

    All of the above began the 6 year (and counting) trek through Hell that we are on right now. Enjoy the view!
    ——————————————————

    The Raiders had a different philosophy back then. The Raiders weren’t trying to build the entire team through the draft like the last few years. Tui was a great pick? I don’t know about that, but Collins was brought in a back-up to Gannon in case Gannon went down which was a great move. Collins as a starter not my choice, but as a back-up to Gannon good idea. All those veterans were at the end of their careers?

    First of all Kennedy, Romo, Woodson, Rice, Gannon, and Brown were not done and we got some very productive, winning years out of all of them. Kennedy played for several years only shorted by injury. Romo was let go due to a fight with a back-up TE, Rod Woodson suffered a bad injury, and Rice and Brown were both hated on and forced off the team at the start of the youth movement crap. Also please don’t forget that the above list was just a few of the proven vet’s that made up that winning team. Did you forget about RB Charlie Garner, LB William Thomas, RB Tyrone Wheatley, G Steve Wisniewski, TE Roland Williams, G Frank Middleton, FB Zack Crockett, CB Eric Allen, DE Trace Armstrong, and RB Terry Kirby. This Raider team was a veteran team and a winning team. What did they leave the Raiders with you ask…..they left the Raiders with a winning culture and attitude. Something the youth movement hasn’t done. So, no I’m not enjoying the view, but unlike many here I didn’t like the view when I first saw the culture changing on the team.

    Several older veteran players expressed their concerns as they were being shown the door and were easily brushed off as old disgruntle players not ready to let go. I said it was bull then and I’m still saying it’s some bull now. The Raider draft should be to do whatever is necessary to get Jordan Gross, Julius Peppers, Tra Thomas or Marvel Smith, Terrell Suggs, Albert Haynesworth, T.J Houshmandzadeh, and Amani Toomer. Now that would be a real draft that could turn this team around. I know we can’t get all these players, but these are the type of players that we should be going after. Depending on the draft to build this team has been a disaster.

    Big AL needs drafting help, but even with help it’s still a major gamble. Many here loved the Raiders draft the last two years, (you couldn’t tell from the negative talk, but it’s true most here loved the players the Raiders selected the last two years yet all you read, hindsight knowledge, is how horrible the players are. Now people are starting their draft campaigns again only to forget what they said and how they felt about a player before he was drafted. D.Bing is a perfect example.

  • http://www.raiders.com JaMarcass “Bust” Russell

    I am sorry to say this, but I could very easily end up being the WORST draft pick in Raiders history. Yes, the worst, even over Patrick Bates and Anthony Smith.

  • http://www.raiders.com JaMarcass “Bust” Russell

    I hope Nnambdi breaks both of Moss’ legs and it’s a career ending injury and Moss can NEVER play another down of football again. Then he goes into bankruptcy, loses everything and all his money, then ends up working as a Janitor like Dakota at Mt. Rushmore monument.

  • Just sell Baby……..

    Ever since K was fired, the Faiders have been going down hill all the way. Funny thing is Cable and Ryan, are saying, as they pat each other on their backs, “Things have improved”, “we are moving the ball and stopping the run”………….Truth is there has been zero improvement at all, things have gotten worse. Just log on to NFL Stats, stats don’t lie as Cable and Ryan do……….. Al Bundy Davis has been asking one of the Raider Greatest of all time, to contact potential coaches, that have not returned Bundys calls. One call was returned to the Greatest of all Time, he said no way, and went on and told The Greatest to stay away ! The Greatest of all time is calling another potential coach as I’m here in his home, a NFL TV Analyst, a former NFL QB in fact, the Greatest Raider of all time, just gets his voice mail, for the 4th time………………

    Just sell Baby…………and so it is !!

  • RaiderRockstar

    JBR -

    Moss already has a lucrative business selling fruit juice or some crap like that. Plus he has ties to nascar and bass fishing. He’s ready for life after football.

    He finally realized his dream of becoming rich off of lemonade stands. You could tell his passion was never football. That’s just what he was good at.

  • http://www.raiders.com JaMarcass “Bust” Russell

    POST 216 Bull Sh!t. You pathetic liar. Anybody can spew anything. Take the kotex out of your azz, it goes in your vag1na retard.

  • http://www.raiders.com JaMarcass “Bust” Russell

    RR

    lol. Lemonade stands. Probably was his passion when he was a po boy on da streets. What a moron.

  • RaiderRockstar

    “Ever since K was fired”

    ***

    things were terrible BEFORE Kiffin was here, WHILE Kiffin was here and now AFTER Kiffin is gone.

    “the Faiders” ? really? are you a donkey fan? get lost clownboy…

  • Shark

    I am hungry for fish filet.

  • Just sell Baby……..

    My boyfriends former lovers next door neighbors cousin who does the nails of guy who knows this delivery man that talks to a homo that walks the streets who gives head to this guy that knows somebody said that Al Davis is trying to find a coach, and nobody will return his calls so he hired a great raider to make the calls, but the guys friends cousin said he doesn’t like the way I suck d1ck because I don’t massage the balls so he wont tell me.

    Just sell Baby…………and so it is !!

  • RaiderRockstar

    LOL @ #222 … i KNEW he was a donk fan!

  • Just sell Baby……..

    and a cok fan

  • Just sell Baby……..

    I stroke the shaft like none other

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    What up clowns?

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    No clowns in the house I see.

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    Davis shills?

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    Sheeples?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Chaos,

    spider will be here later to proclaim Tatum Bell as the best thing since sliced bread.

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    Yeah but I am feeling tired today and wanted to screw around with the Davis crowd.

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    Get the blood boilin……..Coffee is not working.

  • RaiderRockstar

    well … hmmm

    If you can find anything pro Davis in my posts from #185 – #210 feel free to discuss or debate. I’ve been in & out of here all morning. still managed to get all my work done & now it’s lunch time. whoop whoop

  • RaiderRockstar

    Coffee is not working

    ***

    stop drinking decaf man! try folgers columbian :)

  • K-Rock

    # Hwnrdr Says:
    December 10th, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Hey Holyroller,
    With the ridiculous salary that Russell is getting, he could take all of us fans out for steak and cough up the whole bill…You are right, though. He needs to step up and become a leader…

    ……………………..

    Russell needs to stay away from the steakhouse. If he takes his O-line there too much, he will be playing on the o-line next season.

    Maybe they should all go to Subway.

  • http://Clownsrus Chaos

    Dude, I had an awesome workout this morning too. I just don’t get it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    K-Rock:

    maybe Kiffin had Russell & Sands in mind when he had the team on a veggie diet during the offseason? Too bad these guys don’t have self discipline. They are keeping Krispy Kreme in business!

  • K-Rock

    Raiders need to draft an OT & DT, and then sign a veteran QB to push Russell.

    And oh yeah, somehow find a competent Head Coach. (More chance of me having sex with Jessica Alba)

  • RaiderRockstar

    Walker & kelly were beefy too. I thought Brad Roll was a good strength & conditioning coach?

    He got Ron Curry in the weight room for the first time in his life …

  • K-Rock

    Rockstar:

    Raiders and self-discipline do not go together.

    Raiders get beat up in Vegas while doing drug deals.

    Raiders commit penalties like its a Pro-Bowl Stat.

    Raiders go to Mexico and get all farked up the night before the Super Bowl

    Raiders do back flips in the End Zone, slow up and taunt opposing players, and other retarded acts. (Dancing after a tackle while getting beat by 50 points)

  • RaiderRockstar

    sign a veteran QB to push Russell

    ***

    it’s a good thing we didn’t get Jeff Garcia in 07 or Trent Dilfer in 08. Both would completely outplay Russell in camp and practice. Plus they’d have a better grasp of the playbook, watch film more often and be a better vocal leader. I didn’t even mention accuracy or footwork … maybe it’s a good thing we got Walter & Tui behind Russell? a decent veteran might cause a Kerry Collins/Vince Young situation.

  • http://ibabuzz 4evaRaider

    post 211 youre welcome =)

  • RaiderRockstar

    what do Russell, Walter & Tui all have in common?

    zero pocket awareness. turnover prone. zero leadership

  • RaiderRockstar

    Al Davis should hire Richard Simmons as a motivational speaker. 1 condition. no short shorts.

    and also Dr. Phil , even though he’s not a real doctor, he has common sense. one thing the Raiders (especially management) are sorely lacking …

  • K-Rock

    If a vet QB pushed Russell all the way to the bench that would be fine with me.

    Perform or go home.

  • RaiderRockstar

    be back later … lunch time

  • K-Rock

    Dr. Phil was a real Dr.

    He gave up his license when he came under investigation. Better to give up the license than face criminal charges. :D

    We talked about that in Marriage & Family Counseling the other day. My professor hates his guts. LOL!

    I took my last final today! I graduate Sat. morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DT42

    I want CJ on Moss and Ash on Welker, I think that CJ can handle Moss and Welker will get crushed by Ash. after that whose gonna beat us Lamont Jordan??? Might be a fun game to watch after all.

  • http://ibabuzz 4evaRaider

    Congradulations K-Rock,you ROCK!!!!!!!!!!

  • SupaDupaPoopaScoopa

    DT42

    CJ couldn’t handle Vincent Jackson but he can handle Moss? Put the pipe down bro.