Goodell on the Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 15th, 2008 at 12:30 am in Oakland Raiders.
How NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell responded to media questions regarding the Raiders and the state of Bay Area football:
Q: Why did you come to Oakland?
Goodell: I try to get around to every stadium every couple of years. I haven’t been out here yet so . . . this is a game that we had picked a couple of months ago. I’m glad I’m here.
Q: Your impressions of this stadium facility, one of the oldest in the NFL?
Goodell: It is. And it’s something that we’ve been meeting with a lot of people today about how to address that from a long-term standpoint. It’s clear, and I think everyone accepts it, that something has to get done here with a new stadium at some point. And I’ve had a chance to talk to some of the leadership here about how we can help in that process. There are a lot of passionate fans here, as you know, from talking to fans here.
Q: Both the Raiders and 49ers need stadiums _ any chance they could agree on a common stadium?
Goodell: That’s complicated by a lot of factors. The teams here have to come together. The communities have to come together and say, ‘This is the best way to get something done.’ I don’t know if that’s the best solution here or not. But that is something that I think needs dialogue and everyone is going to have to evaluate that as one alternative to the long-term solution for both teams.
Q: What is the challenge now in getting the G3 stadium fund replenished in light of the credit crunch and is it more difficult to gain financing?
Goodell: A couple of things. First, the G3 fund expired just over a year ago, so that funding is not available right now. Clearly, in this economic environment it makes building anything more challenging. And we obviously, as you know, have issues on the labor side in which we’re trying to look at our labor costs, and the increased risks in building stadiums like this. We’re probably building a stadium in New York that’s going to be about $1.8 billion.”
Q: Other sports have said the economy is having an impact. Is it having an impact on the NFL?
Goodell: Unfortunately earlier this week we advised our people that we’re laying off 150 people. So yeah, we’re seeing it on a variety of levels. We’re seeing it on our sponsors, our partners, our broadcast partners. Clearly our fans are being faced with either less disposable income. There are a lot of challenges.
Q: The Raiders have not been competitive for six years now. Does it fall within your realm as commissioner as something to address?
Goodell: Not individually, no. Competitiveness . . . I think we’ve got a very competitive league. The Dolphins showed how fast you can turn a franchise around. The Atlanta Falcons have showed how fast you can turn a franchise around. This franchise has been competitive for decades. I’m sure Mr. Davis and the Raiders are going to turn that around.
Q: Is there ever a situation where you could see yourself stepping in in that regard as far as (ensuring) competitiveness?
Goodell: I’ve got enough things to do. No. (Laughter). I work for 32 teams. I can’t work for one. And I’m not sure I’d be much help, by the way.
Q: How important is it for the Raiders to remain here in Oakland, with their lease coming up in a couple of years?
Goodell: I think it’s important for all of our teams to stay in their communities. This is something we’ve focused on an awful lot over the last 10 or 15 years, in trying to make sure we create an environment where the team can be successful, the community can be successful and together they can create a partnership that’s going to do great things for the fans and the community.
Q: Did you meet with Al Davis today?
Goodell: I did.
Q: How would you characterize the relationship of the NFL office with the Raiders?
Goodell: It’s better than it has been in many, many years. We’re working together on issues. We’re trying to do things that will benefit the NFL and the Raiders together in the communities that we both represent.
Q: What about the Los Angeles market, have you thought about it much?
Goodell: Yes (laughter). Well, listen the reality is, the NFL is going to do great without Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is going to do great without the NFL. My thought has always been, together we can do better. We’re having good dialogue with the people there trying to create an opportunity that is good for the community and is good for the NFL. It would be great to be back there. We know we have millions of fans in that market and we would love to be back there. But it has to be back in a way that is good for the community and the NFL.
Q: Can you share with us any of your meeting with Al Davis?
Goodell: No. Nothing that is significant. We talked about a variety of different issues. I don’t mean it was that secretive.
Q: So, you can’t divulge any details?
Goodell: No, we had a good dialogue about a variety of things that are happening in the league. And that’s part of what I do when I go to markets is want to hear from owners, I want to hear from club people, I want to hear from fans, I want to hear from the media.
Q: How important is Davis to the way the league works?
Goodell: He is very valuable to us because he has been through this. He has seen it from a variety of different perspectives, as a coach, as a commissioner, as an owner. He has a very good sense of the game of football and what’s necessary to make sure the game stays competitive. So, he can help us.
Q: Will the 49ers receive any of the (stadium) money?
Goodell: That’s what we have to address as a league and certainly with our players association. The program was very successful. It got a lot of stadiums built. But it has to be done in a way that makes sense for the collective 32 teams, and that’s what we’re going back and evaluating.
Q: Are you concerned that the 49ers or Raiders might bolt for the L.A. market?
Goodell: No, we’re worried about the California market, in general. If you look at where our stadium situation (stands), San Diego is trying to address a stadium situation, San Francisco, the Oakland Raiders. So, collectively we have to try to address these matters on a statewide level as well in our local communities.
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December 15th, 2008 at 12:43 am
It makes sense for the Raiders and the 49ers to share a stadium. With the state billions over budget, it doesn’t make sense to waste hundreds of millions on two seperate stadiums with funding being cut to schools and hospitals.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Pittsburgh started the season with the worst pass blocking line in the NFL
Ben Rothelesberger had ZERO pass protection and he did fine.
Jake Delhomme started the season with a rookie tackle in Jeff Otah.
Joe Flacco(a rookie) has played all season with a rookie LT in Jared Gaither
Pennington had a rookie LT in Jake Long, AND has a new system to learn.
Matt Ryan(rookie) had another rookie Tackle in Sam Baker
Jay Cutler has a rookie LT in Ryan Clady
ALL These guys have rookie protectors at tackle, and they seem to be doing fine
Stop making excuses for JaBling, he said himself that he was ” special”
Today we saw a backup Pats QB along with his backup Left tackle just shred us to death…..
Whys it that all these guys can produce with rookie tackles, yet JR cant even throw a simple out pattern without it being 6 yards off target…
Wake the EFF up for godsakes… the line isnt the problem , he just plain sucks…..
December 15th, 2008 at 1:19 am
why on earth do people campare JaBling to Aikman and Manning?
Aikman was playing on a team with 27 rookies, and still threw for 389 or something yards in one game.
Manning threw for 26 td’s as a rookie.
JaBling would struggle to break 75 yards passing in most games, and even when he does its cos of YAC by Higgins.
There is no friggin comparison.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Last I checked neither Aikman or Manning had Stud LT blindside protectors as rookies either.
Stop making excuses for JaBling.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Everyother young QB is the league has a raw deal, you think all of them waltz in with all pro lines, and pro Bowl WR’s ???
NO, the differene is the decent Qb’s make thier WR’S into household names cos the can actually throw an accurate pass(even on the run)
JaBling cant even throw a simple out pattern without it being 5 yards off target, that hasnothing to do with Oline.
Gimme a break.
Stop making excuses for JaBling.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Manning was selected first overall in the 1998 draft by the Indianapolis Colts.[3] In his rookie season, he passed for 3,739 yards with 26 touchdowns, set five different NFL rookie records, including most touchdown passes in a season, and was named to the NFL All-Rookie First Team
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Wheres the comparison between JaBling and Peyton , cos I sure as hell cant see it.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Please no more excuses for this Dud of a QB, he has the worst footwork of any QB since Leinart.
You think you can coach around that? after 3 years in this league?
Good Luck
December 15th, 2008 at 1:29 am
3 years next year I mean.
JaBling is an offical bust.
No all pro tackle can save you If you have the accuracy of Ken Dorsey, and cant even manage a simple Checkdown
December 15th, 2008 at 1:34 am
Rather than concentrating on getting a new Raiders stadium,, I suggest they focus really,,really hard on getting a new Raiders team. Why have a brand new beautiful stadium, only to bring that same old terrible looking team in it to lose. Change the team first, update the uniforms, change the attitude in that organization, change the owner, get rid of the stupid costumes in the black hole, get a real head coach, get some pride back in the Raiders. Did I mention update the uniforms? New stadium,,,,PLEASE!!!
December 15th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Post #2 may be correct. Russell overthrows and underthrows even when the receiver is wide open. A lot of his passes which actually go to the receiver aren’t caught but there are so many receivers dropping the ball-even Miller-that you have to think that he just doesn’t have the right touch on it.
The Raider offense is predictable because they can’t audible and they can’t change plays at the line of scrimmage because they’re “keeping it simple” for Russell. That puts a huge burden on the offense whether they’re good or not.
When it comes to the defense, Rob Ryan’s style of coaching just doesn’t seem to pay off. In this game, New England scored on EVERY possession until six minutes in the second quarter.
We still have some great individual players and with a proactive GM can turn this around just as fast as Miami.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:02 am
I wont say JaMoney needs to be taught footwork, I think he needs to be taught how to hold on to the ball. I dont understand how someone whos hands literally wraps around the football cant hold on to it. I dont wanna make too many excuses for him but he did get drafted into the gates of hell called the Raiders. The coaching situation here is just GOD awful. I honestly believe a players production on the field is a result of what they’ve been coached to do. Everybody says Ryan and Flacco are miles ahead of Russell, and right now that is true, but their coaching efficiency and stability is miles ahead of Russell as well. Take Russell and send him to Atlanta and bring Ryan to Oakland, and I’d be willing to bet my last dollar that Ryan would look like Russell, and Russell would look like Ryan. The same goes for Flacco. Remember the stupid mistakes Russell is making this year are the stupid mistakes he should’ve been making last year, but uncle Al chose to wait until September to finally pay the guy. I know he didnt wanna pay a rookie all of that money, but hey,,if you dont wanna fork over 60mil to a kid then stop putting the team in a losing position to end up with expensive top picks. We cant blame that on Russell.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:18 am
I was pleased with progress JRUSS made today, no doubt his footwork sucks, with a good Qb coach that is fixable. Jruss had nice dump off’s to DMAC – he had not shown the ability to do that all year. No kool aid here, just saying.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:28 am
I’m all for using public funds to build NFL stadiums. It creates minimum wage jobs, and minimum wage jobs make people cling to guns and religion, and that’s what it’s all about.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:34 am
We all know that Al needs to bring in a GM (obviously), but a GM will do us no good if his decisions are gonna be overruled by uncle Al. We all know Al will always have the last word on what happens in Raiderland. Thats why we didnt lock up Asomugha to a long-term contract, but then bring in the most overrated corner with a ton of red-flags (as well as yellow ones) and give him a 70million dollar contract (slap in the face). We take a kicker in the first rnd. when Gruden wanted a young runningback named Shaun Alexander. Some will argue that Alexander is out of football now while Seabass is still playing, but I dont think Im out of my mind to believe we would’ve won more games with Alexander. We trade our first rnd players for 4th rnd draft choices (that makes my head spin). Our current 4th rnd players are on IR while our fomer 1st rnd players are legit starters on winning teams. Uncle Al trades a good head coach for cash & draft picks (still cant figure out how you trade a coach,,hmm) now the Raiders are strapped for money, we have nothing to show for those draft picks, and we cant get a good coach in here to save our lives. I. J.S. (Im just saying)
December 15th, 2008 at 2:34 am
Roller, JaMarcus will be here forever. Al Davis will never admit that he screwed up with Russell. He’s now made it clear that he drafted JaMarcus, which means JaMarcus will always be on the verge of busting out and playing like a hall of famer, in Al’s eyes. How long will he be here? Think Vince Evans. As long as Al’s alive, JaMarcus will either be our starting qb or he’ll be a back up that Al will constantly lobby for to whatever head coach benches him.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Yeh, Rick, Seabass is still playing and he’s obviously the most valuable player in football. We’d be in deep trouble without Jano. So those guys using that logic to justify him being drafted over S. Alexander make a lot of sense…
December 15th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Seabass is only still in the league because he’s on the Raiders. nobody else would sign his drunk, fat ass to anything more than a one week contract to step in for their injured starter.
December 15th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Dont foget about the time Uncle Al took Derrick Gibson when Gruden wanted Todd Heap..
That one worked out GREAT didnt it ???
December 15th, 2008 at 2:57 am
Call me crazy, but didnt “Uncle Al” take Phillip Buchanon over some guy name Ed Reed? Ed Reed is a pretty good safety isnt he? Robert Gallery over some dude what’s his name! uh,, Larry Fitzgerald. Ben Rothlisberger anyone?
December 15th, 2008 at 3:15 am
Raiders 2009 Roster:
Probably staying:
2 JaMarcus Russell QB 6-6 260 2 LSU
9 Shane Lechler P 6-2 225 9 Texas A&M
11 Seb. Janikowski K 6-2 250 9 Florida State
15 Johnnie Higgins WR 5-11 185 2 UTEP
19 Todd Watkins WR 6-2 190 1 BYU
20 Darren McFadden RB 6-2 210 R Arkansas
21 N. Asomugha CB 6-2 210 6 California (Franchise)
22 Justin Miller DB 5-10 195 4 Clemson
26 Stanford Routt CB 6-1 195 4 Houston
27 Rashad Baker DB 5-10 200 5 Tennessee
28 Gibril Wilson S 6-0 210 5 Tennessee
29 Michael Bush RB 6-1 245 1 Louisville
31 Hiram Eugene FS 6-2 200 3 Louisiana Tech
37 Chris Johnson CB 6-1 200 5 Louisville
50 Isaiah Ekejiuba LB 6-4 240 4 Virginia
51 Chris Morris C 6-4 305 3 Michigan State
52 Kirk Morrison LB 6-2 240 4 San Diego St.
53 Thomas Howard LB 6-3 240 3 UTEP
55 Jon Alston LB 6-0 225 3 Stanford
57 Ricky Brown LB 6-2 235 3 Boston College
58 Kalimba Edwards DE 6-6 265 7 South Carolina
59 Jon Condo LS 6-3 250 2 Maryland
61 Gerard Warren DT 6-4 330 8 Florida
69 James Marten T 6-8 310 2 Boston College
71 John Wade C 6-5 300 11 Marshall
75 Mario Henderson T 6-7 300 2 Florida State
76 Robert Gallery T 6-7 325 5 Iowa
80 Zach Miller TE 6-5 255 2 Arizona State
81 Chaz Schilens WR 6-4 225 R San Diego St.
86 Tony Stewart TE 6-5 260 8 Penn State
87 Ashley Lelie WR 6-3 195 7 Hawaii
89 Ronald Curry WR 6-2 210 7 North Carolina
90 Terdell Sands DT 6-7 335 8 Tenn.-Chatt.
91 Trevor Scott DE 6-5 255 R Buffalo
93 Tommy Kelly DE 6-6 300 5 Mississippi St.
96 William Joseph DT 6-5 310 6 Miami, Fla.
98 Jay Richardson DE 6-6 280 2 Ohio State
Probably going: Cut, Out of Contract or Traded
8 Mar. Tuiasosopo QB 6-1 220 8 Washington
16 Andrew Walter QB 6-6 230 4 Arizona State
24 Michael Huff SS 6-1 205 3 Texas
25 Justin Fargas RB 6-1 220 6 USC
32 Michael Waddell DB 5-10 180 4 North Carolina
39 Darrick Brown DB 6-4 200 R McNeese State
44 Luke Lawton FB 6-0 240 3 McNeese State
54 Sam Williams LB 6-5 260 6 Fresno State
56 Derrick Burgess DE 6-2 260 8 Mississippi
64 Jake Grove C 6-4 300 5 Virginia Tech (Opt out)
65 Dylan Gandy G 6-3 290 4 Texas Tech
66 Cooper Carlisle G 6-5 295 9 Florida (Opt out)
74 Cornell Green T 6-6 315 9 Central Florida
77 Kwame Harris T 6-7 325 6 Stanford
95 Marquis Cooper LB 6-3 230 4 Washington
97 Greyson Gunheim DE 6-5 265 R Washington
Given that we have little room for expensive FAs, we are going to have to rebuild this roster through the draft.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:18 am
In case you were wondering: O’Neal, Griffith, Shields and McQuistan should remain if they make it off the IR. O’Neal is unlikely to be fit for September. Griffith and McQuistan aren’t locked into contracts.
And I don’t care about John Bowie.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:36 am
Now that we’re going to be picking really high in the draft, I’m putting my vote in for Rey Maualuga. We could use some toughness as well as some leadership (ala Ray Lewis). I love Crabtree but Im really feeling Sting-Rey.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:44 am
Rick,
We MUST take a top LT in the first: Oher, Monroe or Smith.
I would love us to get either Maualuga or Laurenaitis and we certainly need a true MLB and another warrior/leader BUT, this franchise is lost if we don’t upgrade the OLine.
By the way, Laurenaitis would be a better fit than Maualuga in our 4:3. Alternatives would be Scott McKillop (Pittsburgh) or Worrell Williams (Cal) – both are big, run-stuffing tacklers and should be around at the top of the 4th round.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:51 am
Knock on Maualuga: As much as I’ve enjoyed his play as a Trojan, he plays out of control, no gap discipline, uses his speed to make up for mistakes. In these ways, he doesn’t sound like the man we need in the middle- it sounds like he will fit in too well with our error-prone defense. We need an elite LT.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Brothers,, I agree with you all about the elite tackle, Im just afraid they’ll do like they did Gallery and shift him all over the line only to have him to end up at Guard. I’d rather have a MLB playing reckless and knocking somebody’s block off than have our defense playing as soft as they do, or another cotton ball tackle like Kwame Harris. We’re gonna have to draft both anyway so I guess we’re just gonna have to pick our poison. Eitherway we have a long way to go.
December 15th, 2008 at 4:45 am
A very long way to go…
December 15th, 2008 at 4:54 am
Hollyroller/others -
Your knocks on Jamarcus are ridiculous. If you listened to Gannon you would understand how poorly any qb plays with terrible OTs like we have. How much time did Cassel have to throw today? How well did his running game do? His accuracy would improve significantly if he had guys making plays for him, or getting open. How many guys were as wide open as faulk or wes welker?
December 15th, 2008 at 5:02 am
Need oline in my opinion. followed by dline and WR. We have to win in trenches. On another note, I think Javon stays. We owe him $5m in March b/c he got injured. So I think keeping him will cost the team only an additional $1m. Since we’re unlikely to get any people in free agency, we will need him to be one of our WRs. Provided his head is screwed on right, and he isn’t a cancer, we will need him since the rest of our group is so bad. Also, cutting him will have big negative impact on salary cap.
Good news is this team could turn around quickly with the right GM/coaching staff. My gut is our d could be fine if we had the right attitude/scheme.
December 15th, 2008 at 5:25 am
Dan,
I suspect the Walker is so mentally fragile that he might walk away in the off-season. How comfortable is he going to feel playing for a new Head Coach, a new OC and in probably a new system.
Good points about the Pats. Despite all the so-called experts saying that Josh McDaniels runs a high-complexity offense, the reality is that the Pats are very successful because they do the basics very well. Their Tackles are rock solid on pass-protection, good feet, strong arms. Their Guards/Center front-up physically and don’t make mistakes. Therefore their QB has time and space to operate. Add a collection of experienced and smart WRs and RBs who can all block, catch and run, and you have the recipe for a consistent and dynamic offense.
I am sure that Russell would be a success in McDaniel’s offense. More time, better targets, more confidence, better coaching. So, we have to replicate the Pats. That means:
1) Draft 2 quality OTs who can pass-protect as well as run-block.
2) Upgrade on Grove and Carlisle – we can find better, bigger, smarter linemen. And both Grove and Carlisle can void their contracts in January.
3) Turn McFadden into a Faulk-clone.
4) Replace Fargas with Bush or Rankin. Fargas can’t catch or make big yards in space.
or, even better.
5) Make Josh McDaniels Head Coach of the Raiders.
Never happen.
December 15th, 2008 at 5:39 am
I think first and foremost we need Uncle Al to hire a real, and I mean real head coach. If you notice for the most part, the team plays with the same attitude and energy the coach dislays, Cohwer’s team alway played with that intensity he has, the same can be said for Gruden, Harbaugh, Billichek, Dungy, even Tomlin , Mike Smith, and Sporano (Parcells). They’ve also been allowed to run their teams without the interference from the owners. The big question is will a hardcore coach take the job. Thats why the Raiders are terrible and the Cowboys will be going through another coaching change as well come the end of the season.
I. J. S. (Im just saying)
December 15th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Thank you, Jerry, for pointing out (in the previous thread) how idiotic it is of the Raiders not to play McFadden until they’re hopelessly behind. Then again, name something the Raiders do that ISN’T idiotic. They’ve got to be the only team in the league that would draft the consensus best running back in the draft and then leave him on the sidelines as much as they do. I’m so fed up with this mess, I can’t tell you.
On a brighter note, I was at the game yesterday and was pleasantly surprised by Russell. One thing about going to games, as opposed to watching them on television, you can can pick on things — vibes, if you will, that you simply cannot sitting in your living room, watching it unfold on the tube. I was not only expecting Russell’s performance to be poor, but his body language, as well — happily, neither was the case, in my opinion. He doesn’t quit and can lead. Give him some decent tools with which to work (O-line, WRs, 21st century offense and a defense that doesn’t let the other team score literally every time they have the ball), and he’ll blossom.
Oh yeah, one more thing: anyone know why Stewart fair-caught that kickoff? Everyone sitting in my section was scratching their heads over that.
December 15th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Skloomsh,
I am as clueless as you about McFadden being on the bench in favor for Fargas. I love Fargas’ heart, but he needs to be put in as a situational runner and use more of the “thunder and lightning” that we have drafted the last 2 years (Bush and MC). As for Stewart fair catching that ko…???I was so sick of what product they have put on the field these last few years and especially in the rain and cold yesterday, I had to walk out. I didn’t even feel like drinking beer after awhile. So….Houston’s up next week. It is time for a great tailgating bash in D lot and move on…
December 15th, 2008 at 6:52 am
It looks like we will get a new stadium,dont know when tho.Al has eniugh money to wait 4 the right time and place.So we b abuilding through the draft.Massive O-line and D-line here we come
December 15th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Andre Johnson will kill us.Best receiver in league,imo.I wanted him when he came out of Miami,but he was long gone by the time we drafted.Nnamdi’s stock will go up or down after going against Johnson.Like I said,hands down,Johnson is the best receiver in the NFL,imo
December 15th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Is Al capable of making any kind of positive move with this team? based on his cirrent history …forecast more of the same for the next ? years
December 15th, 2008 at 7:13 am
PTB (post 35),
NO…not without a very good GM that can have his way with Al.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Although we may rebuild the line, the question is what kind of line do we build? What kind of coach are we gonna hire, and what type of scheme will we be running to determine what type of lineman we draft? Will we stay with the ZBS or go big and nasty? Will one guy make that big of a difference? Who do we keep? It would be interesting to see Gallery back at Left Tackle, McQuistan at Left gaurd, Mario Henderson at right tackle, draft a true center, draft a right guard, and move Kwame Harris as far away from Oakland as possible. Anyone think that might possibly work? I. J. S. (Im just saying)
I wanna hear some feedback.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:15 am
This team has plenty of talent, but is poorly coached. McFadden and Bush should be the running backs, not Justin(no touchdowns)Fargas. JLH should be the starting wide receiver. Rob Ryan should have been fired last season for using a predictable vanilla defense. The offensive coordinator should be fired for never using misdirection. A blind man could see what is wrong with this team, but Al Davis can’t.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Hey Rick,
All good points. If we saty with the zbs, maybe two new tackles may work. If we go with big and nasty (Shell, Upshaw back in the day), we will have to draft those kind of players and start all over again. That will not be fixed overnight. Sometimes, we can get lucky, but I think luck has ran out on Al. We need a GM that can keep Al away (maybe unlikely) and start from top to bottom.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:22 am
BTW: Kwame should be shipped to…???Agree with you on that one…far away as possible!!!
December 15th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Rick The Hunter:We drafted Chris Morris,a true center 3 years ago out of Michigan St.At 6′4″ 305lbs he played center and DT in high school.3 year starter at Mich St,allowed 1 sack his final 2 years.Wasnt given a chance 2 start aqt center this year,with Grove giving his chance.At least someone in management was far-sighted enough 2 think Grove might get injuried and this kid Morris wont be ready till next year,so all-in-all Wades aqusition was an EXELLENT move.I think Morris will be ready next year and even tho he was a 7th round pick,I think {hope}he could end up being our starter 4 a long time.The Big-10,is known 4 power and speedy RBs,so the kid knows how 2 run block and he’s B-I-G =)
December 15th, 2008 at 7:52 am
yep the real MR has been right quite a few times,opened my eyes too.We disagree over Kiff tho =)
December 15th, 2008 at 7:57 am
4eva,,
If thats the case then it sounds as if we may already have the players we need but the line is not assembled correctly. If true then that would allow us to draft at other positions in need at the top rounds. Which would bring me back to my vote for Rey Maualuga (Crabtree will be long gone) then snatch the best wr in the 2nd rnd. I wouldnt be mad if we took Jeremy Maclin either.
December 15th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Do you guys want to know why McFadden doesn’t get the ball very much despite him being our clear cut best offensive player? Lane Kiffin wanted to draft him, so I am now taking out my frustration about Kiffin by ruining McFadden’s career. That is how I roll. Ask Marcus Allen.
Cable is following orders on McFadden. Cable is a good, loyal soldier. The first thing my next new head coach will need to understand is that McFadden does not become our featured running back. In two or three years I want to be in a position to try and blame our woes on the McFadden selection and I will be able to place that blame directly on Kiffin for drafting McFadden.
Yes, I know it crushes our team, but that is how I operate. I have to have my priorities, and winning is a step or two below revenge.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Oh Jeeshhh…post 44
December 15th, 2008 at 8:05 am
I think the defense was tired in the first quarter, that is why the Patriots scored 738 points before the last echo of the introductions died out. Rob Ryan is a great defensive coordinator, and I might just make him head coach.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:10 am
…I heard something quite disturbing, while listening to Greg Papa on the post game show. While replaying only the four touchdowns scored by the Raiders, and none of the Patriots,…all the while gloating that the mighty Raiders have scored, count ‘em, FOUR!!! touchdowns, I clearly got the impression that:
1) Anyone just tuning in to the radio broadcast would have thought the Raiders had, in fact won the game. 2)This is consistant with the pathologically delusional mindset of our resident Napoleon, Jellyfish and Caveman…. 3) Objective reporting has been deliberately undermined and strictly forbidden by you-know-who…
Greg Papa should be ashamed of himself….Although Laker announcer Chick Hearn , for example, clearly wanted the Lakers to win, he wouldn’t pull any punches when the team faltered….Yo Greg…Don’t you ever notice those men whose balding has progressed to the ” Rings of Saturn” stage, try the pathetic combover ? Everyone knows what they are doing…Stop trying to make chicken soup out of chickensh*t.
Giving up not only the most first half points since the 70’s merger,but 7.1 yds per carry as well , need to be both openly acknowledged publicly,and addressed publicly-( not to mention Chubbustus’ “Look at me Mommy- I’m trying!” mantra…)…
Any GM that can turn this mess of Biblical Proportions around, would write his ticket to Canton, Ohio, based on that miracle itself…
I wonder if the laughter was still present in the Raider locker room after the game….
December 15th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Hey Senile,
That is sad…very sad.
If there was laughter in the locker room after (which I am sure there probably was some), they should all be sent running laps in the rain and cold, or sent packing…
December 15th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Listening to Rich Gannons comments on KNBR him saying Justin Fargas is probably the best player on the team…He wasn’t far off. I.m.o. He has heart toughness and grit. thats what you need from your running back. Look theres room for all these guys to fit. We dont have a good O.C. and thats where it all starts. we should be running a wildcat type offense or spread offense with lots of play action an screens to Mc Faddon. pound it with bush an fargas mix in some J.Russell to miller more crossing routes and a legit reciever who can run precise routes an create space.And only a good G.M. will do this for us. Not Mr. Davis
December 15th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Rick; I agree we have most of our O-line.Next season I think our line may look like this: LT-Mario Henderson,LG-Robert Gallery,C-Chris Morris,RG-???,RT???.We could get a RG-RT in FA or get them in rounds 2-7.OH YES I want Rey Maualuga too!!!If I remember correctly Millen played ILB at 260 lbs,same as Rey,and with the speed of Howard and Morrisson,we could also think about 3-4.We would still have 6 picks 2 draft DTs OTs DTs OTs.I also think we hane our receivers too =)
December 15th, 2008 at 8:21 am
There are so many contradictions in this thread. For example, Al pulls all the strings but doesn’t want McFadden to play? That doesn’t make sense given Mcfadden is a classic Al pick. Plus the guy also has a ton of heart. Perhaps he’s no A.P. and can’t break tackles, but lets look at the upside. He’s got great open field speed and he works his butt off.
He’s always making blocks and running full out when he’s not in the play – and note that he made the three tackles vs San Diego. Every time he plays, I’m more glad we drafted him. Agree with group that it’s a joke he doesn’t play more.
As for draft, we’ve made a bunch of mistakes, but much of that is bad luck. All the pundits thought Raiders were so smart to draft Gallery and idiots for drafting Nnamdi. Also, we had worst luck with kickers b/f drafting Jano. Nedney, Husted and our buddy Cole Ford cost us plenty of games. So a reach of course, but at least we solidified a position that had bee a glaring weakness
Reality is Al does his best and puts his money where his mouth is. Unfortunately, we need a change.
Our only hope is strong GM/Coach, even if they’re inexperienced. Our D could turn it around in a year (7-9/8-8) if they played disciplined and tough. Hell, if we caught a few breaks this year, we would have easiliy beaten Chargers (1st time), Bills and Chiefs.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:22 am
This all started when al davis Sniped Bruce Allens futile attempts to keep Gruden here. When Davis traded Gruden that took Al ittle of allens mojo an when he left we been in a down spirale ever sense. I.M.O.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:26 am
and lets not 4get we have Mauricio Lopez on the development squad; he’s a 6′1″ 329lbs DT from Mexico via European league
December 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
The Raiders used to be misfits with a purpose to win,now the Raiders are just misfits.
I would not accept that the Raiders,until a few weeks ago,have players that want to “Randy Moss”the Raiders.They feel they are better than the Raiders and feel they must be dealt to a winning organization to play at their pinnacle.The Raiders also have the “Joey Porter” on the team.Players that play at peek levels at all times.They take pride in their positions,they carry the weight of the team on their shoulders,but they expect every player on the team to play at that level as well.The Raiders also have players that coaches should Know without a doubt,lacks the skill set to be on the Raiders.
Players like Nnamdi, Fargas, Wilson,and Mc Fadden are the type of players that play at the top of their game every week.what the discerning circumstance is keeping or releasing a player that will or will not give their all every week for their team,organization and fans.It is imperative the Raiders weed out the quintessential slacker as well as the underachiever.Both result in the lack of accomplishment of the Raiders.
I did not want to let this go without mentioning.R Gallery has really regained respect from me. He is a every down player,another illumination of a player that will play with ferocity for the Raiders.
Raiders Be With You.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Senile King’s Aricept,
Great point about the lack of objective reporting from Greg Papa. It is disappointing as well as poor reporting. And you were right on the money concerning the late Chick Hearn. He would let you know when the Lakers were not playing well and didn’t care what anyone else thought about it. I’ve now officially given up on trying to listen to Greg Papa calling the Raidahs.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Trade Nnamdi for Boldin!
December 15th, 2008 at 8:36 am
If Al Bundy Davis, wants a new stadium, he must put a competitive team on the field. Then he will get National TV coverage, where all the money is………..
I have followed Bundys actions. He has taken alot of money out of the tax payers pockets, in Kailorina….
Just sell baby…………and so it is !!
December 15th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Sac,
I love Boldin, but trading a great CB for a great WR just doesn’t make sense. WRs are easier to find (even thought we can’t seem to find one). It would have to be Boldin and a second round draft pick for Nnamdi to be fair. Al could then draft a track star CB to try and replace Nnamdi.
Better solution: Pay Nnamdi and get him a decent coordinator and some safety help. Draft a WR in the second round (LT in the first round).
December 15th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Anyone else notice that Chris Johnson has come back to earth?
December 15th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Q: The Raiders have not been competitive for six years now. Does it fall within your realm as commissioner as something to address?
Goodell: Not individually, no. Competitiveness . . . I think we’ve got a very competitive league. The Dolphins showed how fast you can turn a franchise around. The Atlanta Falcons have showed how fast you can turn a franchise around. This franchise has been competitive for decades. I’m sure Mr. Davis and the Raiders are going to turn that around.
Q: Is there ever a situation where you could see yourself stepping in in that regard as far as (ensuring) competitiveness?
Goodell: I’ve got enough things to do. No. (Laughter). I work for 32 teams. I can’t work for one. And I’m not sure I’d be much help, by the way.
Q: How important is Davis to the way the league works?
Goodell: He is very valuable to us because he has been through this. He has seen it from a variety of different perspectives, as a coach, as a commissioner, as an owner. He has a very good sense of the game of football and what’s necessary to make sure the game stays competitive. So, he can help us.
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This is what us Raider fans wanted to know. good Q&A session! sounds as if the commish will not step on Al Davis’ toes, nor should he. Cable & Ryan are a couple of baffoons. The sooner they get axed, the better off this organization will be.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Sac – good thought. Andy – good point.
Concern is that I don’t see Nnamdi signing with Raiders even if he gets a worthy contract. IMO, he needs to see some improvement in organization before he signs long term. We could keep him around another year with franchise if he doesn’t sign, but then we would likely lose him even if we had a decent new organization in place. Since he would be a free agent and would be upset we franchised him two years.
So I think we franchise, without exclusive rights. Then he can negotiate with other teams and we could match. If that doesn’t happen we have to trade him. Boldin would be great, as would fact he’s in Arizona and we would rarely face him. If not for a player, since Boldin would likely refuse to sign with us long term, then trade him for picks.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:48 am
BTW, Nnamdi is a class act and our best player, so I wouldn’t want to trade him, but don’t want to lose him for nothing.
December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Russell, Fargas, McFadden, Higgins & Miller all played fairly well yesterday. We scored 3 TD’s on offense and another on special teams! Rob Ryan’s defense layed an egg yesterday in front of the commish. 49 points? Didn’t we just give up 34 to San Diego? Davis has to feel terrible, not only with Roger there, but with ex Raiders Moss & Jordan tearing it up. What do we have to show for both players? John Bowie. Thanks Lane! Davis spend high dollar to make this the best secondary in the league. What did we get in return? 3 TD passes from Rivers last week. 4 TD passes from Cassel this week. We can’t stop the run, we can’t stop the pass, we can’t rush the passer (where is Burgess?), we can’t keep teams out of the endzone. I’m sick of Rob “the slob” Ryan, his excuses and his supporters. He needs to get a haircut and head to New York. He can ruin their defense for the next 5 years …
December 15th, 2008 at 8:51 am
“The Best Comedy Act in the NFL”
“The 3 Stooges”
Moe = Al Bundy Davis
Larry = Ryan
Curly = The Cable Guy
Just Sell Baby………………..and so it is !
December 15th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Rob Ryan has been a large factor in the losing the past 5 years. Anyone that thinks otherwise should get a medical examination.
Are there still people out there that support Rob Ryan, other than Al Davis and the always positive Kirk Morrison?
December 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
All you Faider Fans can talk about trades and signing, for hims and tho es…………..
But until the 3 stooges sell and depart, expect more of the same…………….
Just Sell Baby………and so it is !!
December 15th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Andy and Dan, I would love to keep Nnamdi but agree with Dan in the fact is he’s not going to sign long term. No matter how much money we throw at him, hes not going to stay. Established receivers are harder to find than you think. Look at all the first round busts. Finding a WR in later rounds is a gamble (just like finding any studs in later rounds). And the raiders draft history lately suggests trading for an established player is much better than trading for a draft pick. Boldin is a run after the catch WR. Thats exactly what we need. The way our O-line plays, we have to have short drops, short routes, and get the out quick. Boldin can take any of the short passes to the house or break tackles to get 1st downs.
I believe Boldins benefit on offense is greater than Nnamdis benefit on defense. Our D is still getting torched with Nnamdi on the field..
The thing that could hurt this deal is Javon Walker. Boldin would want at least that contract and is Al willing to pay 2 receivers that much money..?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:00 am
FUN FACTS:
New England’s 277 yards rushing were its most since getting 281 against Cincinnati in 1985.
The only time the Raiders allowed more points at home came in a 55-21 loss to San Diego in 1981.
Thanks Rob, you stinking loser. The Pats were your old team. Why didn’t you show up on gameday? Moss & Jordan did…
December 15th, 2008 at 9:00 am
I think Al messed up last spring by franchising Nnamdi and using the money he saved on Nnamdi’s signing bonus to sign guys like Hall and Walker instead of just locking Nnamdi up then. Al was trying to get the most bang for the buck, but it might blow up in his face in that Nnamdi might not be willing to sign with the Raiders after the insane 2008 season. Should have locked him up when he was still willing to sign with us. Hopefully Nnamdi will still sign a long term deal with us simply because he doesn’t want to play 2009 under the franchise and risk getting hurt and losing millions. Not a great motivation as far as fans are concerned, but hey, at this point I would take it. Losing Nnamdi would just be another kick to the kidneys while we are down.
Forget trading Nnamdi for just picks, what chance is there of Al making good use of the picks? About a 10% chance? We need an established player and picks if we have to trade Nnamdi.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Hey, I was right about Cable and the end of the season. Imagine that.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:12 am
We need an established player and picks if we have to trade Nnamdi.
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I like this conversation going on between Andy, Sac & Dan. What do we get if Asomugha stays another year? We’re paying over $12 million for a 1 year disgruntled player. No need to prolong what we all know if going to happen. The Raiders aren’t going on a Super Bowl run next season, so Asomugha isn’t a need. What good does 1 shutdown corner do? Rivers & Cassel combined for 7 TD’s the last 2 weeks, plus those teams ran the ball down our throats. Nnamdi alone doesn’t make this defense good. I say we look to the future and get what we can get for him, be it players or picks. If those draft picks all turn out to be busts? well, at least we got something in return. There is always a chance those players could be the next Asomugha or Miller. The only downside to trading Nnamdi in my opinion, is that we’d most likely select another DB in round 1 or 2 of the NFL draft, despite MAJOR needs on both the o-line & d-line.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Andy Farmer:Unequivocally Nnamdi is the best choice for the Raiders long term. There should be every means taken to secure him long term.Your logic is unsurprising.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
so monte kiffin is leaving the Bucs.Since Dungy left the Bucs got lucky and won the S/B with Dungys players,and Gruedan acted line it was his team.Now its all the players that Gruedan drafted or traded for.Bucs are slippin with no end in sight.gruden ruined us and now its showing up the same way in Tampa bay.Yep monte is getting out while the gettings good
December 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Rockstar,
You have a point about trading Nnamdi and the current state of our defense, however, there is a small voice in my head that says keep all the defensive players and see what the next defensive coordinator can do with them before blowing it up. Imagine if we find a decent defensive coordinator and let him build around Nnamdi, Morrison, Howard and Kelly? Maybe a decent DC can develop Huff and Routt? Maybe those players really are worthless, but with all the high draft picks Ryan plowed through over the years, playing them out of position and not developing them, I tend to think that maybe another DC could salvage some of them and maybe this defense isn’t as bad as it looks under Ryan?
Make sense? I think we have talent on the team, but we lack coaching.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
The Texans have won 4 straight, the Raiders have lost 3 straight
have we ever beat the Texans? doesn’t look like this game will come easy … they beat the Bengals 35-6 in week 8. Hopefully this won’t be THAT bad of a loss!
December 15th, 2008 at 9:21 am
we are 0-3 against Texans
December 15th, 2008 at 9:22 am
nice 2 see you post DAKOTA =)
December 15th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Andy, the problem is Nnamdi is not going to sign long term. Look how frustrated hes been. Hes starting to say theres something wrong with the organization, and through all the years hes never done that before. If he was going to sign, he would have done so by now. I don’t want to let our best player leave and we not get anything for him..
December 15th, 2008 at 9:24 am
There will be no hope for the 2009 season if any of the following events occur:
1. Cable is retained as HC
2. Ryan is retained as DC
3. Ryan is promoted to HC
4. Anyone on the current staff is promoted to HC
5. Anyone on the current defensive staff is promoted to DC
December 15th, 2008 at 9:26 am
THE HOUSE MUST BE CLEANED OUT!!!
December 15th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Agreed posts #79 & #80
December 15th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Nmadi proved how valuable a stud cornerback is to a defense. Answer: Not very much, especially when they miss multiple tackles like he did yesterday.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Who has to go:
Al Davis (not gonna happen…but we can hope)
Cable & Staff (wouldn’t mind him going back to O-Line)
Ryan and staff
Tui and Walter
Bush or Fargas (trade one of them for proven reciever)
Harris
Walker, Curry, Lelie, (roll with the young guns)
to be continued…
December 15th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Both our lines were like water yesterday, why keep em?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Rob Ryan might be able to do some things differently but he has had success elsewhere.
Our defensive line is so bad that no amount of scheming is going to make a substantial difference until we upgrade that area.
As far as motivation is concerned, players need to self motivate and self police as needed. Nnamdi has had a chance and so far he has “defended” the players.
The team lacks professionals on the field. JR will hopefully grow into that.
Mr Davis has tried to bring in veteran “leadership” and was conned by the likes of Walker and Hall.
We need a solid draft on both lines this April.
I think we need to have a good understanding from Nnamdi of what he really wants to do. If he wants out we have no choice but to maximize our return.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Andy, I agree with everything in post #74, except this “keep all the defensive players” … I think most of the problems are coaching, but not all. Even without Burgess & Asomugha, I think there is a lot of talent and potential on the roster defensively. Try not to laugh guys, i’m being serious. Scott, Edwards & Richardson at DE. Maybe add a veteran to that mix who isn’t always hurt and isn’t as one dimensional or angry about a contract. I think between Routt, Huff & Branch, that other CB occupied by Nnamdi can be filled on the roster. maybe even Darrick Brown or John Bowie could challenge? obviously Huff & Branch can play safety as well if they can’t crack the CB job. Eugene & Baker aren’t bad. Wilson can hold his own. Chris Johnson is good, not great. See what i’m saying? Fix the run defense and add a DC who likes to create pressure and the pass defense gets better automatically. With or without Nnamdi Asomugha. We are looking at an entirely new coaching staff on both sides of the ball and we need players who will buy into the program. He’s not one of them. Neither is Curry.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:37 am
We need a solid draft on both lines this April.
I think we need to have a good understanding from Nnamdi of what he really wants to do. If he wants out we have no choice but to maximize our return.
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well said!
December 15th, 2008 at 9:38 am
be back later … lunch time
December 15th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Quick fixes: (assuming the present coaches are gone)
Rebuilding Process:
-Get rid of zone blocking
-Draft Rey from USC at MLB or trade down (Unless Smith from Alabama is available)
-LT Takle is the main priorty. Hopefully, we can find one in the second round. Draft a right guard and a center for the future. Move Henderson to RT
-Use other draft picks to make both sides of the line solid.
-Cut Curry and Huff (if he can’t play CB)
-Start Schillens and Walker until Higgins is ready to take Walker’s position.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:39 am
SacRaider,
We don’t know if a long term offer has even been made to Nnamdi. Who knows? Like I said before, Al seemed to franchise Nnamdi last season so that he could spend money in other areas, but it backfired. I don’t know that for a fact, but that is just how it seemed to me. So maybe the Raiders have not made the big offer to Nnamdi yet? We don’t know. With Tom Condon as Nnamdis new agent, we may find out real soon what Nnamdi’s intentions are, but for now it is only speculation.
That being said, if I was Nnamdi I would want out too, but if I was faced with signing a $12 million dollar franchise tender, or sitting out the 2009 season I would sign the tender. No way I could ever make that much money up in a deal in 2010. Once I came to grips with that reality, I would then have to decide if signing a long term deal would be best, and once you sit down and think about it, of course it would. If I sign the franchise tender for $12 million and get hurt that is it, but if I sign a $70 million dollar deal with $30 guaranteed and I get hurt, I will have almost tripled my money. It would be very difficult to pass up that kind of an offer from the Raiders if it were to come. You have to take the money, the game is too violent and can end on any given play, and it is way too much to risk turning down a huge contract just so you can leave a bad situation.
It would take a special person to have the resolve to sit out a year or turn down a long term offer.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Hey at least McSkinny looked good yesterday. He may turn into a Reggie Bush type back, great out of the backfield and average taking a handoff.
Not that it would have mattered, but the officiating was so horribly one-sided yesterday. The Pats had like one or two penalties on them all game, and zero in the first half. On Welker’s first half TD, Faulk just ran down the field and started blocking well before the ball was thrown, no flag.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Vegas, there is a reason the penalty calls were one sided. The Patriots are a well coached and disciplined team. We all know what the Raiders are.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Also, Sign Asomugha to a long term contract if really wants to be a Raider.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Andy (#79),
Add to the list:
Al Davis in any capacity.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:45 am
i strongly believe that Rich Gannon needs to talk to Al and MAKE him sign him as our next head coach. RG would bust in that locker room and weed out all those who dont want to be there and make the others play their hearts out. RG was and is a Raider and is very vocal and crital of what he sees. thats the type of hcoach we need who isnt scared to speak his mind. if you remember, Rich was practilly running our offence and was always using the audible when he saw loopholes in the defense. we need to bring back the screen pass and the quick drop off passes and the entire west coast offense back to the nation.
And thats why Rich Gannon has my vote for our next Head Coach cause he knows how to run that west coast offense.
I agree that Uncle Al limits our coaches and does things that make us scratch our heads but not too long ago we won 3 consecutive div tiles and were in the big show with the same man we call uncle Al calling the shots!!!!!!
December 15th, 2008 at 9:46 am
This Andy Farmer guy sounds a lot like Dakota. Is that you Dakota?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:47 am
If it is you Dakota, welcome back. You are one of the few posters here that makes sense and is well spoken.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Is it that obvious?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am
What the hell? Who is Dakota?
December 15th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I think Nnamdi has made it pretty clear he wants out. Offer him a max contract but if he declines, franchise him. We could be in trouble trying to trade him however, since his agent could very well stir up a controversy and force our hand like with Randy. In that case, we could end up with something like a low first or 2nd rounder for him (in worst case).
Then use the pick for DL. We have enough decent dbacks so that a stud DL would be better than Nnamdi because he would stop the run and pressure the QB… Of course that assumes we get lucky and draft a stud DL…
I do also agree with Andy that a sharp D coordinator could turn the current team around. Isn’t run D a matter of toughness and sound schemes? I think (hope)the right GM/coach can get that out of our current roster.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Vegas – agree with you on the penalties. I saw that specific play you’re referring to. There was also another one when Jamarcus fumbled and Raiders recovered. Seymore from patsies gave one of our oline a cheap shot. Worse than what happened with Kelly last week vs SD. Of course, no mention of it by announcers.
It wouldn’t have changed the outcome, but more fairness should be expected. At least someone could have ripped seymore for being a cheap shot artist like Kelly got ripped vs SD.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Was up my nation?????????
Life is no good down here in Tacy.
The Raiders will never pull through this. Just ask Mr. Shannahanahan
December 15th, 2008 at 9:59 am
I see Bronco fans.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
And de@d beat Raider fans!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Dan: I saw that as well, let’s see if Seymour gets fined this week, which would be an admittance of a missed call. Again it wouldn’t have changed anything, it just shows that a disciplined team gets the breaks from the refs, in any sport.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Where are KoolKell and S&B? I’d just like to say I TOLD YOU SO!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I thought Nnamdi received offers but turned them down? Don’t really know tho so could be just rumors..
I can’t see Nnamdi sitting out a season to force us to trade him. Too classy. If he doesn’t get what he wants this year, he’ll do like Woodson and play out the term and then just leave. That’s what i’m afraid of happening. I would hope its ends up like Jared Allen.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:01 am
By the way, we’re in line for the 5th overall pick.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Nnamdi is Soooooo Overated! He was continually burned yesterday, and not just by WR’s. I saw King Nnamdi get burned by RB Kevin Faulk! Come on man.
Hey Nnamdi – Stop believing your own hype cuz that’s all it is, HYPE! You suck, now shut your fukking mouth!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Watched an episodeof “L.A. Ink” with kat von D. Not sure when it was from, last year maybe…
Anyway, she tattooed a guy who is an architect (Designed the Staples center) and he mentioned he is currently working on an NFL stadium design to be built in LOS ANGELES…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Yeah, I got ink done from that guy too.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
If we were foreced to ditch Nnamdi getting a killer wide (They mentioned jokingly T.O. to Oakland on last nights game) and a 1st round pick could go along way toward helping us.
My thoughts are Al sticks with Javon giving him 08′ as his year to recover from knee surgeries (same for DT Tommy Kelly) and try to use Spider man Arman Shields.
Because we need a WR so bad, Al probably won’t get one, but Housh seems to be getting mentioned.
I had Mark tauscher peggedas a possible FA signing at tackle but he shredded his knee this week..which means we’ll probably sign him to the largest contract ever awarded the position…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I got it on my neck, it says “209″!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:14 am
#113: West High Alum, 98
December 15th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I know Arman Shields went to Richmond, but when did that earn him a nickname already? He hasn’t even stepped on the field, haha.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:16 am
I got a tattoo. On my dick…of a bigger dick…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Playaaaa Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Nnamdi is Soooooo Overated! He was continually burned yesterday, and not just by WR’s. I saw King Nnamdi get burned by RB Kevin Faulk! Come on man
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Lining him up on Gonzales exposed him too. Then again, Gonzales beats everyone…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Oakglenn
I didn’t recognize your sarcasm last nite. I was out of my mind with anger.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:22 am
The point is a great DB still cannot single-cover most of the great WR’s, and also they can just line up the great WR on another guy and render Nmamdi useless (especially when ol Rob makes zero adjustments).
December 15th, 2008 at 10:25 am
When the QB has all day to throw, even good DBs get beaten.. Since we play exclusively man D, give the QB time and eventually someone will be open.. Has Burgess completely disappeared or what?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I think I agree with the trade Nmandi chatter. simply because of the dollars he’ll command.
too many holes to fill elsewhere to give him 12 mil a year. there is not one example of a team giving a corner huge $, and that team benefiting significantly.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I think we’ve done ok snagging some DE prospects so I don’t see us taking a DE inthe 1st round.
Not that Scotts the be all end all, but he shows Millard knows what he’s doing and Burgess, Clemmons, Richardson show we can get some production out of guys others may have looked past.
09′ looks like its going to be deeeep in great Oline prospects, but again, if we stay ZBS are we going to spend a high pick there?
I know wwhat you’re thinking, we need tackles! BUT,they are the least important in the ZBS. had it not been for injuries and unforseeable under production (NOBODY thought it was going to be this bad) by wides, loss of both receiving / pass blocking FBs hurt more than many realize and made the tackles look even worse.
Crabtree at WR?
I’m down, but like I said earlier, probably go with Walker…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Hey Sac,
You are right. Lester Hayes did say that playing man is easy, if and only if the front 4 gets a pass rush. Cassell had all fn day to decide what to do with the ball and where…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Drew Carter will be the WR that Al hooks his wagon to next year because he hasn’t really had the chance to fail like the rest of them. Higgins has been making strides, but Davis is a fool and will probably bury him in the rotation behind Schillenz and Carter.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
SacRaider Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:25 am
When the QB has all day to throw, even good DBs get beaten.. Since we play exclusively man D, give the QB time and eventually someone will be open.. Has Burgess completely disappeared or what?
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I would’ve thought D. Burg would’ve turned onthe jets here at the end to bolster some value for his imminent departure next year.
Dinged too much…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I love nhamdi but ive said once ill say it again, he will never be woodson he cant tackle that well welker went right through him for that td. How in the hell do you wait so long to get d-mac in the game guy needs 20+touches a game. Forget crabtree get boldin and draft o-line and d-line.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am
124. Pooh Farter’s knees make him little more than furniture.
I doubt he’ll be in the NFl next year and not with Oakland. Signed a one year for 08′ as a trial deal. Gone baby gone…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am
“The Panthers had three sacks on Sunday but Carolina star defensive end Julius Peppers was shut down by Denver rookie left tackle Ryan Clady. Peppers, who has 12.5 sacks, didn’t register a tackle.”
Ahh, what it would be like to have an O line..
December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am
BOLDIN!!!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Here’s our 1st round priorities:
1. LT
2. WR
3. CB (Pressuming that aso doesnt sign a long term contract)
4. MLB
5. DE
6. OG or C
If aso doesn’t sign a long term deal in the offseason, it’s best to just franchise him then trade him cuz it would be obvious that he doesn’t wanna be here.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:34 am
I hope you’re right, but logic seems to elude this team sometimes
December 15th, 2008 at 10:34 am
SacRaider Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:32 am
“The Panthers had three sacks on Sunday but Carolina star defensive end Julius Peppers was shut down by Denver rookie left tackle Ryan Clady. Peppers, who has 12.5 sacks, didn’t register a tackle.”
Ahh, what it would be like to have an O line..
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Dude, we had Kwame Harris man! No need to trade down and take someone like Clady!
KC seems to have gotten burned by their “Greatest draft of the decade!” Both thier line guys fizzled, but usually takes a year or two to get up to speed so you never know…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:35 am
jhill Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I think I agree with the trade Nmandi chatter. simply because of the dollars he’ll command.
too many holes to fill elsewhere to give him 12 mil a year. there is not one example of a team giving a corner huge $, and that team benefiting significantly.
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D. Sanders really helped the 49ers and the Cowboys, but other than that I can’t think of any recent ones.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:35 am
R.A.W. – I think some better run stopping DT would fit nicely into the mix as well.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:37 am
R.A.W.
Lots of O line prospects next year, not sure if we spend our 1st rounder on “the least important O line position in the ZBS” plus could be some decent FA’s avail too…
I agree, we need HELP there big time, but not w/ the #1 pick…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
If we could stop the run at the line of scrimmage better, our LBs would look a lot better than they do trying to back up a porous D-line.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
the only thing that matters at this point is who the next gm is going to be. its going to all trickle down from there. if its the same old story of Al puppets, then it won’t matter who the coach is, who we draft, or what FA we keep. it will be the same 70s offense and defense we’re seeing now with the same type of blind loyalty that has Fargas starting over McFadden.
until a fundamental change is made in terms of the philosophy of this team, we’ll be stuck. the only thing that should matter is production. if that means getting rid of everyone, then that’s what it means. who cares if someone is a good raider? give em a jersey and let him be a fan. but get his ass off the team if he sucks … how hard is that?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:37 am
R.A.W.
Lots of O line prospects next year, not sure if we spend our 1st rounder on “the least important O line position in the ZBS” plus could be some decent FA’s avail too…
I agree, we need HELP there big time, but not w/ the #1 pick…
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Cable won’t be here next year so chances are we won’t be running the ZBS..
December 15th, 2008 at 10:39 am
RUN STUFFING MLB please!
Move Morrison out of there! CONSTANTLY making bad audibles, over pursuing and out of position.
Great player and glad to have him, but a failure at MLB…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:39 am
2 more games to put a cap on another miserable season in Oakland.
This will be Al’s last hope. I think he has one more off season in him. I don’t care what others say, his health is declining fast.
Fans can only hope that his last gamble will pay off or we will be in for 2 or 3 more years of crap. It will take the new MG that long too undo the damage.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
lets wait to see J Russ with at least 1 WR & OT before we call him a bust. His confidence is shot, his footwork is of a scared QB. He needs weapons and 1 system. If he doesn’t get a system to grow into he will end up like D Carr unsure and scared of getting sacked. It was nice to finally see some screens to DMC, moving J Russ again in the pocket, and sticking to the run. Look at the WR drops, think if that was a good WR. The D’s back 7 is what is killing us. Not attacking WR’s and giving up on runs. We need a MLB to attack the middle. Love Morrison but he isn’t big enough.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
138.
I can’t see abandoning the ZBS. How the hell are we going to rebuild THE ENTIRE LINE from ZBS swift to straightline power in one year?
We stay ZBS with or with out Cable who, btw, stays…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Maybe Al can bring back Gruden after the Bucs fire him.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:42 am
141. Agreed…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:42 am
People we should consider trading:
- DE Burgess (worth a low 2nd to 3rd round pick)
- CB Aso (worth possibly two 1st rounds, mostlikely a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick cuz we all know that Aso has more value that roy williams)
- CB Rout (worth a low 4th round to a 5th round draft pick)
- S Huff (probably our best DB not includeing Aso or CJ, considering the Fabian Washington trade last year, I’d say this one is ranging from a low 2nd rounder to a 4th round draft pick)
People who will probably will get cut:
- WR Javon Walker (unless he takes a huge paycut, which still isn’t worth it, he’s not staying)
- DT Tommy Kelly (probably the best DT we have, but far overpriced, this one is a 50/50)
- QB Andrew Walter (no one reallly cares)
- OT Kwame Harris (you all know the reason why he has to be cut)
- CB Standford Rout (could be traded, could stay, we’ll see)
Noticeable players that need to be resigned:
- CB Aso* (not sure if he’ll stay, we’ll see this off season)
- P Shane Lechler (Last year in his contract, we must sign him, not sure if “franchising” him would be a good idea though)
For our draft priorities go see post #130
*If aso doesn’t sign a long term deal in the offseason, it’s best to just franchise him then trade him cuz it would be obvious that he doesn’t wanna be here.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am
22-72 (Soon to be 22-73) aka K-Rock Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Maybe Al can bring back Gruden after the Bucs fire him.
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wouldn’t that be somethin’?
BTW, Al needs to spring for all of his DB’s to attend “PRIME U” like Chris Johnson did this last off season…Stan Routt, you listenin’?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am
GILBRIDE TO RAIDERS?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2008, 8:18 a.m.
On Sunday, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that Raiders owner Al Davis is interested in possibly hiring Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride to be the team’s next head coach.
Gilbride, who has spent nearly five full seasons with the Giants, worked as quarterback Eli Manning’s position coach for three seasons before taking over the offense.
And Gilbride fits the profile of a potential Raiders coach. The 57-year-old had one prior stint as an NFL head coach, losing 16 of 22 with the Chargers before being fired six games into the 1998 season. In the following ten years, his name has yet to percolate back to the short-list of head-coaching candidates — possibly due to his failure in San Diego and possibly because his name still triggers for many images of the fist to the face he took from Buddy Ryan when both were working for the Oilers in the earlt 1990s.
“He has no business coaching the pros,” Ryan later said about Gilbride. “He should be selling insurance. . . . He’s a wimp.”
Still, Gilbride has presided over the dveloped of Eli Manning, and Gilbride might provide the Raiders with the last, best chance at salvaging the career of JaMarcus Russell, the first overall pick in the 2007 draft, three years after Eli was the top selection.
Of course, if Gilbride were to take the job in Oakland, Davis might finally have to part ways with defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, whose father is Buddy Ryan.
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Please God no!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 am
El Chupacabra
Oh yea, I forgot about that.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Well, we went from straight line power (in name only) to ZBS in one year, so returning wouldn’t be that hard. Cooper and Green (i think) will both be FAs, and Harris should be so we’ll get new personnel in there anyways..
And how can Cable possibly stay? He has only 2 wins and the team is not competative.. For sake of continuity, i wish he would stay, but he is not a good HC.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Burgess I think is out of contract after this year. so is Nnamdi, Carlisle, and Walter. There is going to be some wholesale changes here.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Oh no Sac Raider, Cable stays but certainly NOT as head coach.
I think building down to ZBS is waaaaaay easier than building power no doubt at all.
Cooper’s a prime example. He’s our best lineman and he was dropped by Denver…
Harris and Gallery are 1st round picks. Waaay harder to build a traditional O line and I don;t see Al blowing huge sums on the trenches. Not his philosophy.
It would seem counter productive to take the best thing about your team the last 3 years and scrap it, but w/ this out fit? You never know…
December 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am
22-72 (Soon to be 22-73) aka K-Rock
Don’t you mean “Soon to be 22-74″?
anyways can you put up the link where you found that GILBRIDE TO RAIDERS article, I can’t seem to find it.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am
145, we won’t have the cap space to cut all those players.. We’ll take the hit on all the bonus money and can’t afford that..
December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am
I agree that drafting Oline #1 is not likely. like it or not, Henderson, Gallery, and McQuistan are locks for starting positions on the oline. only ?s are Grove and Carlilse, and if where McQ plays. Henderson has the rest of the year to audition for LT, and so far so good. I remember McQ filling in for Green last year and McQ was solid. frankly, I was surprised Green got his job back at the start of this season. worst case McQ takes over for Carlilse and we draft a RT is the 2nd or 3rd rd.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Tracy high alum “95-96″
Duncan-Russle alum “97-98″
December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 am
22-74 – Florio is an idiot.
Of course, who are our realistic choices? Fassel, Denny Green, Gilbride or some no name. Al needs to relinquish control, but not to some fool like these guys. Depressing really.
Anyone know the contract status of Lechler/Burgess? Wouldn’t want to lose them too. And I doubt we bring in any free agents. Who would want to play for us?
December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Walker probably will and Kelly definately will be here next year. Our biggest need on D is an above-average MLB. Anytime a team runs a screen or a draw, our LB’s are nowhere to be found. I hate to say it because I like the guy and think he could be an excellent outside backer, but Morrison is padding his tackle stats when teams are just running the ball in the second half to kill the clock. He had ZERO tackles in the first half!
December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 am
As my names implies, the writing is already on the wall…colossal waste of money and Holyroller couldn’t be more correct – stop blaming the line and receivers for everything, JaBustus can’t hit the broad side of a barn and you can’t teach accuracy.
December 15th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Nnamdi21, yeah, just depends on the O-linemen you have (size). Like no way Carolina can switch down to ZBS with its current roster..
ZBS is definitely our strength but not a lot of coaches run it. The new HC would have to be on board for us to keep it.
And no way Cable goes back down to being line coach after HC expecially since his contract is up this year..
December 15th, 2008 at 10:57 am
So did Henderson play OK yesterday? Couldn’t really tell myself and didn’t have audio of the game, so don’t know if he was burned or had any penalties. Didn’t see any glaring errors, but wouldn’t be the first time I missed something.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 am
#158: I say two blatent drops, one by Miller in the end zone and one by JLH on a nice pass over the middle that would have went for big yardage. Another time he spun away and threw a beautiful 40+ yard pass in the face of the rush, that hit Schillens in stride but some Pat made a nice play to break up. He needs improvement, but he is like 22 years old, he WILL get better.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Why not draft oline number 1? We just need to land a stud like Joe Thomas/Jake Long/Clady. Or maybe a stud DL, but I think guys like Howie Jr and Dorsey have been big disappointments, so you never know.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Draft priorities:
OT
OT
DT
DE
Skill positions will have to wait. We have to invest in the lines before we can even evaluate the skill guys(including DB’s) we currently have.
Free agents are IMO more risky than draft picks. Unless you find that unique situation where a team has a glut of talent at one spot and somebody has to go (Gannon) you usually wind up with little value relative to the salary:
Burgess(Injury prone in Philly)
Sands(enough said)
Warren
Walker
Hall
Carter(injury prone in Carolina)
etc etc etc
December 15th, 2008 at 11:02 am
One of the things the Anti Al crowd never brings up is how many projects he saddles his coaching staff with. Not only does the coaching staff have to game plan, teach, break down film, and then make position recommendations each and every week, but then they have to bring guys like Mario Henderson, John Bowie, JLH, Chaz Shilens, Oren Oneal, Trev Scott, Jon Alston, Tyvon Branch, Hiram Eugene, Paul McQuistan and turn them into NFL players. Davis gives the staff a bunch of raw projects other teams wouldn’t try, but expects them to win NOW!! tough assignment. Mario Henderson is not going to be the Left Tackle. right Tackle maybe, but we need a bona fide LT!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:05 am
couldn’t be more right about the MLB need …
our d has talent but lacks discipline. most if not all of the big runs happen on cut backs due to lack of gap discipline. LBS constantly overpursuing and being out of position. all between the ears people … all between the ears.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
You have to build your team thru the draft anymore. Have to. It’s too expensive to do it thru free agency. If you have a hole or two to fill, Free agency is an excellent way to do that. We have too many holes to fill. We need to bring in as many new players as we can draft and sign as many undrafted free agents as we can, and see where that takes us.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:10 am
164
Great point. In the past we might have one project on the whole team with alot of playing profesionals available to help. With the exception of Burgess, our current defensive line is made up entirely of projects if you consider Kelly coming off of ACL surgery.
That is why we need to draft well and go with young hungry guys instead of some free agent with a ton of baggage. We have tried that and it does not work.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:12 am
First Round LT
Second Round WR (backup pick = MLB)
Third Round MLB or RT or WR
Fourth Round DT or C
Sixth AD project
Seventh AD project
December 15th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Jhill what you are saying in #165 is exactly right. But it is harder to correct than you would think. You want your players, particularly your linebackers to be aggressive. Then, other teams use that aggressiveness against you.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I want my LB’s to step up and make a tackle on a screen pass that isn’t 15 yards down the field. Not a whole lot to ask
December 15th, 2008 at 11:15 am
167, we’ve also tried drafting well and that hasn’t worked. who is our last 1st rounder to become a star? Nnamdi? and that was back in what, 2002? I agree we need to build thru the draft, but we need to have a good draft to build off of first..
December 15th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Morrison is a FA after this year. You guys might get your wish and have a new MLB..
December 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Dan Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 am
22-74 – Florio is an idiot.
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Florio was only reporting that…
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that Raiders owner Al Davis is interested in possibly hiring Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride to be the team’s next head coach.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am
K-Rock:
thanks for that Gilbride info. He would be a great addition to the staff. Fassel seems desperate for a job if he’s looking into CFL Head Coaching gigs. Maybe he’ll be brought in as OC, in the same capacity Greg Knapp is in. He’ll work with Gilbride to devise a plan, but Gilbride would be the play caller and HC. Ryan won’t be retained. good riddance. Maybe Gilbride could bring Mike Waufe back here as DC? That would be a HUGE improvement. Gibril Wilson would be happy with these moves. Al Davis always trys to pull pieces from a winner. He loves to take players and/or coaches from championship teams and hopes they’ll have repeat success here. Gilbride to Oakland makes sense. I like it. Russell needs all the help he can get!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Well there’s a high powered offense to model after.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:24 am
I don’t think Morrison is a FA after this year, sac
December 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am
it all goes back to how do we know what we have at any position with th inept systems on offense and defense? I mean, we can all see things like Harris and Green being bust, and Captain Kirk not working out at MLB … That’s obvious.
but whose to say that a better scheme on D might put Morrison and Nmandi in better positions to make plays? whose to say that a better d coordinator wouldn’t make adjustments and disguise some coverages or blitzes?. how about 2 deep safeties instead of 1 deep ALL THE TIME.
don’t get me started with the sorry defensive everything!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
The Raiders used to be misfits with a purpose to win,now the Raiders are just misfits.
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^^^^ QUOTE OF THE DAY!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:28 am
J-Hill: Good points, but I don’t think a philosophy change can fix shoddy tackling like we saw yesterday. But a better plan could put more pressure on the QB, thus helping everybody do there job better.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I think Morrison is a FA after the season. He was a 3rd round pick and signed a 4 year contract.. This is his 4th year in the league.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am
the Giants manage to use 3 RB’s and all have success. I think that is what Al Davis wants in Oakland with Fargas, McFadden & Bush. He sees Gilbride as a guy who can bring Russell along, like he did Eli Manning. Problem is the Giants have an o-line and receivers. We don’t! If we dump Tom Cable and the ZBS we’ll need 5 new starters on the o-line. Walker, Shields & Carter will probably all be back next season, but who knows if they’ll be healthy? and if they are, how productive will they be? I think Lelie & Curry are both gone. Higgins & Schilens should get as much playing time as possible these next 2 games … they are a part of our future plans
December 15th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Gilbride = Another Davis puppet. Personality wise, he’s right there with Norv Turner. He’s smart and can be a great play caller on a team coached by someone else, but under Al Davis he’ll be a flunky. Gilbride would have more control coaching a team owned by Buddy Ryan.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am
#164
Good point!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Which reminds me, it’s safe to say that Gilbride would demand that Rob Ryan is out before he steps foot here.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:38 am
# MR Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Which reminds me, it’s safe to say that Gilbride would demand that Rob Ryan is out before he steps foot here.
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That alone would make him my candidate.
Gilbride in 09!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
That alone would make him my candidate.
Gilbride in 09!
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me too. Gilbride, you’re hired!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
New England showed us a bunch of looks they have not used before. We showed them every look we had shown before. What was the score, 21-0 New England in the first half?
December 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
I see a lot of people saying trade Nnamdi. I dont think so. We cant afford to wait another 3yrs for a corner to emerge on our team. I think we should trade Burrgess (if still under contract)
Put 15 pnds. on Trevor Scott ( I think he may breakout)
Move Gallery back to L. Tackle (leave him there)
Put Henderson at R. Tackle
McQuistan at L. Guard
Draft Rey Maualuga 1st rnd
Move Morrison back to OLB
Draft O-line 2nd rnd. (there’s a stud at Baylor cant think of his name)
Draft Best WR or DT in 3rd rnd
Draft best Lineman throughout remainder draft.
Get rid of everyone else who is unworthy to play in the NFL
PRAY FOR A MIRACLE!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
sacRaider wonders, “Has Burgess completely disappeared or what?”
No, I saw him yesterday. He jumped offsides on a crucial third down when we still had a chance, however tiny, of climbing back in it. Typical dumb Raider.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Gilbride would be a terrible HC. He’s been a head coach before and was lousy. Tom Coughlin is in charge of the Giants offense.
Plus, if Gilbride fires Rob Ryan he risks Buddy coming to take another swing at him.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Rick The Hunter Says:
December 15th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Get rid of everyone else who is unworthy to play in the NFL
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Then they wouldn’t have enough players to field a team. They would have to forfeit the season.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:50 am
RTH, what happens after next year when Nnamdi leaves and we get nothing in return? We’ll still have to wait for another CB to develop. Might as well get something out of him now..
December 15th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Gilbride would be a terrible HC. He’s been a head coach before and was lousy. Tom Coughlin is in charge of the Giants offense.
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Tom Coughlin is not a play caller. He’s a good coach though. I like any coach who preaches discipline, even Art Shell. Shell just chose the wrong guys to run the offense and coach the offensive line. Somebody here needs to talk about toughness!
December 15th, 2008 at 11:55 am
After watching Andre Johnson yesterday I’m back to thinking maybe the Raiders should take Crabtree with their No. 1 pick. Crabtree has similar skills and JaMarcus needs a real receiver. Then take Phil Loadholt in Round 2, additional o-linemen later in the draft and hope Henderson ups his game.
I actually thought JaMarcus had one of his best games yesterday. Not sure why everyone is so critical. He made some nice throws and I don’t recall one receiver running free and clear all game. He definitely needs to work on his footwork and habits, but I’m back to believing he can be a great QB, given time to develop, an o-line that gives him time to throw and receivers that can get open.
December 15th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Rockstar is right. I think the coaches preach it and preach it, but boy these guys don’t want to play physical football. In the last San Diego game, San Diego came out and popped us right in the mouth. We collapsed. San Diego then started to humiliate us, which got a little fight out of us. Then San Diego punched us in the mouth again, and that ended the game.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
#2 Holyroller, I don’t wish to make excuses for Russell as I certainly don’t think he has performed well. But these other teams with rookie tackles and such are still getting much better pass protection than what our tackles are providing. It is a personnel situation we have to address. I would rather have a rookie like Long or Otah or Baker than Kwame Harris out there. The other thing is, most of these teams you mention (notably Pitt, Carolina, Baltimore, and Atlanta) all have something huge that the Raiders don’t which is a good defense. Take a lot of pressure off the passing game when you can hold teams to 20 points per game, which we can’t.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Things that have transpired since the Al Davis defense was relevent:
The West Coast offense.
Free Agency.
The microwave oven.
The VCR.
The end of the Cold War.
The Personal Computer
Punk Rock.
Hip Hop.
The Bronze Age.
The invention of fire…
December 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Gilbride has a 6-16 head coaching record.
Did you see the Giants’ playcalling last night? Terrible. No attempt to run the ball even though that’s their strength, even with Jacobs out.
And besides, if playcalling alone made for a quality HC, Norv Turner would be a freakin Hall of Famer.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Here’s the problem with trading Nnamdi, Uncle Al would ask for two 1st rnd picks and no one is dumb enough to do it (not even the Redskins). Teams will just wait until the draft so Al can trade him for a 4th rnd pick. Hmm!! This cant be good. I guess we’re gonna lose him one way or another. Oh Jeez!
December 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Oakglenn (It Was A Fumble), why are you telling us stuff that we knew IN AUGUST?
You’re talking about how lousy this team is, how soft they play, how they don’t care, etc. A lot of us were saying that before the season even started ,Oakglenn, and you were telling us how wrong we were.
You were telling us this would be the year. You were telling us Russell would pitch 3000 yards, Walker would have a grand receiving, and McFadden would have 1500.
You were the one who insisted that there was no rift between Davis and Kiffin, and that everything was made up by the press.
You insisted that we would be playing for home field advantage at this point in the season.
Basically, you were wrong on every single front, Oakglenn.
Now, you’re acting like you’re the authority on how bad this team is, lecturing those of us who knew the team was lousy all along.
You know, I kind of respect the kool aid drinkes who stick to their guns. But the ones who guzzle the kool aid then try to be all pragmatic when they’re wrong? Take a hike, It Was An Oakglenn.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Oh, and Gilbride “developed” Ryan Leaf.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I don’t mind gilbride as an oc/qb coach, but I don’t know abot hc.
I’m going to stick with my Cowher dreams. we need an established NFL hardnosed disciplinarian, with the gilbrides and lebeaus as coordinators. establishedguys with NFL success instead of the next up and coming.
no more on the job training with the coaches for cryin out loud!
December 15th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I was hoping we could avois being in the TOP 5 for a draft pick, but I’m not so sure anymore.
1. Lions (0-16 baby)
2. Rams (2 wins)
3. Chiefs (2 wins)
4. Bengals (2 wins, 1 tie)
5. Seahawks (3 wins)
6. Raiders (3 wins)
Rams play the 49ers this week, so if the Rams win, they might fall below us. Also not sure where we’d be placed if the Rams & Seahawks both finished with 3 wins. Donks & Cards each have 8 wins. If the 49ers win, they’d have the same record as the dolts. Dolts won’t beat the Bucs or Donks, will they? strength of schudule is interesting …similar. Also, the Chiefs play the Bengals in Week 17. Bengals would drop below us with a win. Chiefs? not sure …
December 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
what if the Raiders pick in the TOP 5, both OT Andre Smith and WR Michael Crabtree are gone and nobody wants to trade up? then what?
December 15th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Hey MoRon, go find where I said that. What a turd.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
mlb usc …
December 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Hey MoRon, while your at it, why don’t you post as me as usual and lick my asshole.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Rockstar,
I could definitely see that scenario happening. I guess we go best 0-lineman available there. Probably Oher from Mississippi. I’ve seen there’s a LT from Virginia who is also highly touted.
Maualuga is a great player and it’s hard to argue with that pick. Yesterday’s game notwithstanding, I just think the offense needs a lot more help than the defense right now.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
How many people are posting as now MoRon? what a lying sack of shi*.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
#189: He jumped offsides after we called a Timeout on Defense to set up our 3rd down defense. Is that even possible with any other team in the NFL, that they would call a timeout on Defense to setup the D and they come out and jump offsides? Unbelievable
December 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Coach, if you want to know when to give the ball to McFadden, here’s a hint. Everytime Houston gives Slaton a carry, give one to DMac. Slaton has 230 carries and 40 catches to 100 carries and 22 catches yet their yards per touch are about the same. I really like Slaton but nobody had him near as good as DMac coming out of school. There’s no use owning a horse if you don’t ride it.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
It doesn’t matter guys, we already know whats going to happen. Al is going to bring in another washed up coach, all of our good players are going to want to leave and we are going to have another losing campaign again next year with a bunch of players who don’t really want to play.
It is just sad to me that there is already names floating around that we know aren’t going to help us in any way what so ever. No one good will want to come here.
By the way, any team that has that many points put up on them in the first qtr. shouldn’t even be able to call themselves an NFL team.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I could definitely see that scenario happening. I guess we go best 0-lineman available there. Probably Oher from Mississippi. I’ve seen there’s a LT from Virginia who is also highly touted.
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I agree. which positions would be best to fill in the draft and which would be best to fill in free agency? we need a ton of help and I don’t think one draft can solve the many areas of need. Backup QB would obviously be a free agent. Then you got WR, LT, RT, C (unless we resign Grove), RG (unless we resign Carlisle), DE, DT, LB and P (can only franchise one player). I’d like to resign Carlisle if we keep the ZBS and I think we should make an offer to Lechler to be the highest paid punter in the league. He deserves it and we really got our use out of him the past 6 years!
December 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
It’s official, Monte is joining Lane at Tenn. I don’t know if the cover 2 will work in college but it’s a shame he couldn’t have brought him to Oakland. (Plus it would have driven Chucky crazy)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-buccaneers-kiffin&prov=ap&type=lgns
December 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
The NFL’s version of the kiss of death? Drafted by Al in the first round. Your future is sealed baby!
December 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
hollyroller,
the difference with young qb’s being successful is plain and simply COACHING…don’t you get it?
Flacco and Ryan are not great by any means either, but they have received GOOD solid coaching the whole year!
With Jamarcus, he has done through THREE different coaches calling plays for him….now THAT is silly and ridiculous.
You should know better than to judge a rookie QB in his first year of pro ball. If anything all the signs point to Russell getting better…he has all the tools….he just needs a better HC and who knows how to develop a QB into a game manager and knows how to teach a young QB what it takes to win in the NFL.
Jim Harbaugh is that type of coach IMO.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I agree the offense would appear to need more help, but the reality is the help on the sideline or being misused as a WR. I like the idea of going after houszmenzadah(sp).
the front 7 of our D has to be addressed. it just has to. we have to concentrate on building a solid smashmouth defense.
then we could just run mcfadden and bush 40 times a game and run playaction to miller, houz, or higgins. mix in a few screens and we should be in business.
it all starts with the d
December 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Kevin Gilbride has already proven to be a terrible HC.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
With the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, The Oakland Raiders pick: Some dude who was really good in college who’s potential will not be fully realized until he is traded away from this joke of a franchise in about three to four years.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
nfldraftcountdown has the top part of the draft looking like this..
1 DETROIT LIONS: MATTHEW STAFFORD, QB, GEORGIA
2 ST. LOUIS RAMS: ANDRE SMITH, OT, ALABAMA
3 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS: AARON CURRY, OLB, WAKE FOREST
4 CINCINNATI BENGALS: CHRIS WELLS, RB, OHIO ST.
5 SEATTLE SEAHAWKS: MICHAEL CRABTREE, WR, TEXAS TECH
6 OAKLAND RAIDERS: EUGENE MONROE, OT, VIRGINIA
7 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS: JASON SMITH, OT, BAYLOR
8 CLEVELAND BROWNS: MALCOLM JENKINS, CB, OHIO ST.
9 SAN FRANCISCO 49′ERS: SAM BRADFORD, QB, OKLAHOMA
10 GREEN BAY PACKERS: BRIAN ORAKPO, DE, TEXAS
they explain this about our pick:
“The Raiders are a terrible team with a ton of needs yet one glaring weakness somehow manages to stand head and shoulders above the rest. That really says something about how bad Oakland’s offensive tackles are. That is why even though they have plenty of holes to address the Raiders are almost forced to take a blocker with this selection. To say Kwame Harris has been a free agent disappointment would be an understatement and how Cornell Green has managed to hold onto a starting job for two years defies explanation. The Raiders already have two high draft picks and a ridiculous amount of money invested in JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden so it only makes sense to bring in someone to block for them. Eugene Monroe is the consensus top senior offensive tackle in what is considered to be a very strong class and he will try to follow in the footsteps of former Cavaliers D’Brickashaw Ferguson and Branden Albert. Plugging Monroe in at left tackle and moving Harris to the right side would give the Raiders line a major boost and at least give their offense a fighting chance. The other main consideration here will most likely be a wide receiver and Michael Crabtree could tempt Al Davis but he needs to suppress the urge to make a splash and do the right thing. There is no question that Russell, McFadden and Crabtree would form one of the most exciting sets of triplets in the league but all that talent would be essentially rendered useless with an offensive line like they have now.”
December 15th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Kevin Gilbride would seem to fit Al’s theory of hiring retreads with bad records if he can’t find someone 32 years old.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
The most important move of the offseason will be the retirement of Al Davis and the hiring of a TRUE GM/Personnel director and new coach that will be kept around for at least 4 years.
The next investments will be to do whatever it takes to help Jamarcus in his development. A new coach who knows what it takes to develop a young QB and run an offense and get a solid new LT to protect Russell.
December 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Eugene Monroe would probably be a better pick then Oher actually….
December 15th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Gilbride may have been a crappy coach once before, but Belichick was 36-44 through 5 crappy years in Cleveland, was hated and ran out of Cleveland. He ended up landing on his feet pretty well.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
here’s my take:
WR: free agency – bring back Drew Carter and go for TJ Houshmandzedah. Would like to part ways with Walker, but I doubt Davis will do it leaving us to cut Curry & Lelie (no problem)
C: free agency – leader of the o-line needs experience for both the line & Russell’s sake. Can’t try to learn on the job like Grove did.
RG, RT: free agency – McQuistan & Henderson might be able to fill these positions, in case they can’t somebody better than Seth Wand or James Marten would do.
LT: franchise LT’s are hard to come by. I think you need to draft one high in round 1.
DE: Scott & Richardson are the future. Edwards is here as the situational pass rusher, but we need leadership here. A veteran who isn’t oft injured like Burgess might help.
DT: Kelly, Sands, Warren & Joseph all have talent, but have fallen under the Rob Ryan “can’t stuff the run” curse. I think these guys have what it takes, but until proven otherwise, this is a MAJOR position of need. Sands & Joseph wouldn’t be hard to replace. I’d take a DT in round 2 or 3.
LB: Either move Kirk Morrison to OLB or sign a stellar OLB, because the LB corps isn’t complete. I’m not convinced Morrison is big & strong enough to stay at MLB, but he’s a good player at any LB spot. round 1 seems way too high for a MLB imo, especially with the needs on both lines …
CB: franchise Nnamdi and trade him if he refuses a fair long term deal. What happened to Asante Samuel, Marcus Trufant, Terence Newman, Antoine Winfield & Nate Clements after they got paid? notice I didn’t even mention DeAngelo Hall?
December 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The Raiders HAVE to draft a left tackle with their top 5 pick. Don’t fall into the trap of signing a wide receiver or middle linebacker. The glaring need is left tackle. Plain and simple. Other thoughts:
1. DMAC not playing until the 2nd QTR is inexplicable and unforgiveable. People here are saying Russell’s numbers were inflated because of screens to DMAC…WELL THAT’S WHAT A PLAYMAKER IS SUPPOSED TO DO…MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR HIS QB! If DMAC played full time as the starter, Russell’s numbers go up, our receivers numbers go up, and the offense scores points
Cable deserves to be fired on the spot for his mishandling of DMAC. FIRED!
Geez, a 4th overall pick being used like he was an undrafted free agent from South Dakota State!
December 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Watch it S&B!
December 15th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
If Gilbride was hired….then he needs to hire Waufle as the new D-Coordinator….and lets hope Al gives them at least 4 years, to right the ship.
A bookend LT is needed BADLY and then they can let Henderson, McQ or Harris compete at RT. I have had enough of Kwame though.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Tackle is a huge need but WR ain’t far behind.
Who would you rather have, Andre Johnson (Texans) or Joe Thomas (Browns). Both are Pro Bowl players who were drafted Top-5 in recent years. You could argue for either, but to me Johnson is a real difference maker. I respect o-line play as much as anyone but I think an exceptional playmaking WR is harder to find.
That’s why I’m back to thinking the Raiders should take Crabtree if he’s there and solidify the o-line through other means.
Look at the top-5 receiving yards leaders in the NFL right now. Four are 1st-round picks (Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson. Steve Smith is the other one. He was taken early 3rd round).
December 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Fassel would be a better HC overall than Gilbride….
December 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Gilbride would be a deflating hire. The coaching hire equivalent to when the free agent signing of Larry Brown after he was Super Bowl MVP.
At least Belichick had one good year in Cleveland and his defenses were consistently among the best in the league when he was a coordinator. I don’t think either could be said of Gilbride.
I’m still pushing Jim Fassel as the perfect fit for this job aside from unrealistic candidates like Bill Cowher.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Lt or MLB or DT or De; maybe we pick-up a WR in F/A,no way do we draft a WR this year
December 15th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Chris in NY,
What do you think about Harbuagh or Del Rio?
December 15th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I agree…as much as I like Crabtree…we don’t really need to draft a WR that high when a solid LT is needed and a vet run stuffing MLB is needed along with another DT and DE. A stronger Center is needed as well.
December 15th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Darkknight,
I don’t know much about Harbaugh. He was a tough, good QB and supposedly Al likes him as a coach. I haven’t really followed his coaching career and I don’t think I’ve ever sat and watched Stanford play in recent years. I know the Cardinal is not great but some jobs are tougher than others. I guess I just don’t know.
I’m not all that excited about Del Rio. Two playoff appearances in 6 years and currently mired in a disappointing 5-9 season. He strikes me as the kind of coach who gets really frustrated when things don’t go well and points the finger solely at the players, which I never liked much and I’m sure most players don’t respect that either. If you’re Parcells or somebody like that it’s one thing, but I don’t think Del Rio has the stature to do that. We could do worse, but I don’t think he’s necessarily a good fit.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
The good news is our OT situation can’t get much worse (if any) our OTs lead the league in false starts and sacks allowed. The kids from Virginia and Miss are what we need next. Then the best oline avail in round 2.
Add that to a new coaching staff/GM and we’re off to the races (7-9)!
December 15th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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December 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Here is my updated Raider draft board. This is what I think it should like based on what is the most important need positions.
1. Davis- LT
2. Oher- LT
3. Crabtree- WR
4. Monroe- LT
5. Orakpo- DE
6. Johnson- DE
December 15th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
They can get a Cente, WR, or DT/DE in round 2 and 3 if necessary if they go with an OT in round 1…which they should do.
December 15th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Harbaugh has shown he can get the most out of the talent that he has in the college level. Plus he knows the NFL game and what it takes to win. He is Captain Comeback….and he has that Gruden/Gannon instensity that this team needs. His brother has done well in B-More as well….and he should be able to teach Russell what it takes to be a successful NFL QB.
December 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
The only way Godell could help the Raiders was to push Al out of the skybox.
December 16th, 2008 at 1:24 am
I hear you guys bagging on JR and I couldnt agree more. I live in Long Beach and I try to get my family up to Oakland for a couple of Raider games a year. Now, with Russell quarterbacking, the Raiders wont see a dime of my money. Jamarcus Russell is HORRID!! and painful to watch. Russell has no clue of how to “manage” an NFL game. He plays with no fire, no direction and looks completely lost on the field. He has no clue on how to look for checkdown receivers. He has no clue on how to run a no-huddle, he has no clue on how to change a play at the line, he has no clue on how to read a defense and anticipate a blitz, which requires getting rid of the ball extremely quick. He has horrible footwork. He has horrible touch on his passes. In short, Jamarcus Russell is a “DISASTER” . He has a huge contract with no desire of getting better. Instead of being in Alameda working out all day with his receivers, this guy seems to only be concerned with cruising around in his Escalade with 30 inch rims and hanging out at Warrior games like he is some celebrity. Raider fans didnt deserve this clown.. Oh, and did I mention that Russell loves to fumble inside the 10 in almost every game.. Like I said, this guy is painful to watch.
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