Cable, Davis discuss job
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 7:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
On a day in which it was learned Tom Cable had his first substantive discussions with owner Al Davis regarding being the Raiders head coach in 2009, some of the assistant coaching staff is on the move in advance of the expiration of their contracts on Jan. 13.
Greg Knapp will be the offensive coordinator of the Seahawks, Tom Rathman will be offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers, and ESPN was reporting Rob Ryan would join Eric Mangini’s staff with the Cleveland Browns as defensive coordinator.
Correction: Rathman will be running backs coach of the 49ers.
Also departing will be administrative aide Matt Capurro, who has worked as the assistant to the head coach since 2003 and some day ought to write a book being that he served in that capacity under Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin and Cable.
Capurro elected to take a position at USC.
Cable’s situation since the end of the season has in some ways been similar to that of Callahan, who eventually became the Raiders head coach after Jon Gruden was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers following the 2001 season.
When Gruden was dealt, Davis met with the coaching staff and made him “captain of the coaches” until he decided how he wanted to proceed.
“I wanted to see and we wanted to see Bill function in that role to see how the organization would operate,” Davis said when Callahan was hired March 13.
It was essentially a 22-day tryout, with Davis making the call without interviewing another candidate.
Cable got a head start on the in-season coaching when Lane Kiffin got his wish and was fired. By the end, he had fared better than Kiffin ever did, winning three of his last six games including the first back-to-back wins to end the regular season since 2002.
In the meantime, Cable has had his offseason tryout in terms of supervising self-scouting reports for the staff to prepare for free agency, and beat writer Steve Corkran reports he quietly talked with Davis about something beyond the daily goings-on Wednesday.
The only known outsider to talk with Davis about the position since the end of the season is Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride _ a “discussion” over the phone the Raiders say was at Gilbride’s request.
One name to keep in mind _ Jeff Jagodzinski. Jagodzinski was hopeful being interviewed in Seattle to be offensive coordinator after being fired at Boston College for interviewing for the head coaching job with the New York Jets.
That opportunity evaporated when Mora, as expected, hired Knapp, with whom he worked in San Francisco and Atlanta.
The offensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers before being hired in 2007 at Boston College, Jagodzinski helped quarterback Matt Ryan have a superb senior season, and Ryan was one of the most poised, polished rookies to play quarterback in the NFL in years.
His work in that area could be of benefit to JaMarcus Russell.
Jagodzinski, 45, lost his job at Boston College for following through with an interview in New York after being told he would be fired for doing so. Athletic director Gene DiFilippo (the father of Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo) was angry Jagodzinski did not inform him in advance of the Jets interest.
It may sound a little too Kiffin-like to consider him as a head coaching candidate, but it’s not a stretch to envision Davis talking to him about being offensive coordinator should Jagodzinski not get the job with the Jets.
According to a Chronicle report, special teams coach Brian Schneider could also be on the move, with interviews in Jacksonville and Seattle.
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January 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
1st?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
1st
January 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Go Raiders!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
FREE DIRTY!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
You wonder how DeFillipo Senior would feel about Jagodzinski coming here to work with DeFillipo Junior.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I wouldnt mind if he was our OC. We need to find a HC first though, and I hope that Schneider stays as our special teams coach.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Hey fellas, maybe, just maybe, Al really is going to hire a GM. If that’s the case, it makes sense not to hire a coach before the fact. Of course this could be considered rational behavior, very little of which “ol uncle Al” has practiced these past, oh, I don’t know, 40, nah, 50 years.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
It may sound a little too Kiffin-like to consider him as a head coaching candidate, but it’s not a stretch to envision Davis talking to him about being offensive coordinator should Jagodzinski not get the job with the Jets.
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Once again, Al seems to not have learned his lesson from the last 20 years.
LET THE HEAD COACH PICK HIS STAFF! PICK COACHES THAT DON’T SEE THE RAIDER JOB AS A STEPPING STONE!
Pick CAble and let him build his staff. Geez!!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Marv44,
There will be no real GM. Davis needs to hire Cable and let the man pick his own staff
January 7th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Did Ryan bolt or, was he fired
January 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Here we go again! Al still does not get it! Lettinh good talent go! We should have kept Rathman! The others could go except for Schneider. Now we will see if Robs good and Al was holding him back or he was just bad anyway. Get a coach in place now! Another year of the same stuff so far! Not again!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Do not hire Cable. Just sayin.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Jagz would be a nice OC under cable. I heard John Clayton saying that Jagz wanted out of BC and he took the interview to get out of a situation he did not like. It sounds like a Kiffin likemove to me. That being said, he runs a “west coast” type of offense and he had a hand in matt ryan developing so fast. Beggers can’t be choosers, at this moment in time, we have to take any talent we can acquire.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Check out NFL.COM match up Ravens-Titans
“But the Ravens face an enormous challenge against Chris Carr, who helped the Titans rank first in the NFL in kickoff returns.”
“Cornerback Fabian Washington is a playmaker”
What a hell. It is not the player that sucks in oakland, that’s the coaching staff
January 7th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I would have to say no to Jagz. He seems like the type to use the Raiders as a stepping stone. Have the Raiders not learned from Gruden and Kiffin debacles
January 7th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Camille,
THe Fabian Washington deal erks me. A number 1 pick so you know he has talent. Yet the Raiders consistently fail to develop talent. Why? Al Davis does not value head coaches
January 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Having a hard time being optomistic about any of this. I have seen too many Raiders off-seasons. History dictates that this off-season will be a repeat of the last 5 coaching change overs – a complete failure. This mess starts at the top. I hope for the future Raiders fans that Al Davis sells controlling interest soon. Be prepared for more of the same if he doesn’t. This team destroys talented players. Andrew Walter could be a good QB in another system. Robert Gallery might have been an all-pro LT by now if he had been drefted by someone else. I love my Raiders. Love the history of the team. Love the Raiders alumni. I’ve folloewd this team for 25 years and have more than the last five seasons of memories to carry me through, but I have to admit that I am more than a bit pessimistic about the current chain of command and his ability to return this franchise to greatness.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
[...] is that interim coach Tom Cable has interviewed for the job . I like the job he did at the end of the season, the team won back-to-back games to close the [...]
January 7th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I like turtles
January 7th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
When a fanbase is getting a big hard-on over back to back wins, it is a testament to how pathetic an organization has become. Cable was .500 in his last six games. Most teams fire head coaches for only going .500 – ask Shanahan.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Being picked in the first round certainly does not mean one is talented enough to be in the NFL. The name Tony Mandarich comes to mind. So does the name Brian Bosworth. There are a truckload of others.
Yes, Fabian Washington is talented. He is a talented zone corner. He is compromised in man coverage which is what the Raiders play. Phillip Buchanon had the same issue. They are now on teams which employ systems that match their talent.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I don’t know if Al would go for Jagodzinski. Wouldn’t his interviewing with the Jets after being told not to, fly in the face of loyalty? That is an all important personality trait for Al.
Don’t lose sleep over Fabian Washington. He didn’t want to be with the Raiders and it showed in his play. He couldn’t handle the kind of adversity facing the Raiders. Like a lot of spoiled brat athletes, everything is OK as long as you’re winning. Plus it seems a lot of players going to Oakland get a big dose of reality. The last couple of years I think people are finally believing what a mess it is.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Like other free agents, Fabian Washington went somewhere where he just might win. FAs who want to win go to places like Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indianapolis, FAs who want to get paid a fat contract before they go to a winning team sign with the Raiders. This wasteland is the last place I would want to come as a free agent. I am almost suspicious of anyone who even shows interest in being here at this point. Why do they want to be here?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
# Seattle Raider Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
“Did Ryan bolt or, was he fired”
Rob Ryan’s contract technically ends on 1/13/09 so he was free to do whatever he wanted. Mangini is his best friend and they have wanted to work together for quite some time.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
yo
January 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Mangini and Ryan became pals while working on the Patriots staff together. Mangini was the DC and Rob Ryan was the LB Coach.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
And another thing…..about Cable. Let’s not get carried away about the back to back wins. The NFL is a week to week league. After the Jets beat the Titans everyone was annointing them AFC east champs, superbowl bound, you name it. After the beating from the Broncos on opening day, Jay Cutler was the second coming of Elway (he just may be) and the Broncos were going to tear up the West. A month ago the Eagles were toast. At the beginning of the year the Cowboys were a shoo in. Well, when it was all said and done look how the cards played out. My point is the snap judgments, good and bad, are out of control.
I did like to see the wins. What I liked even more was hearing players get behind Cable. When was the last time you heard that about an Oakland coach? The Raiders very well could have the players they need (stop laughing), but if morale sucks it will show on the field. If Al was to bring in yet another coach, it would have to be a slam dunk, can’t miss, Parcells type of coach.
For that reason I would like to see Cable given another shot. But hiring NFL coaches isn’t my job. I don’t know what makes a person qualified. If Al can find someone better, why shouldn’t he?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
what up D
The W’s made a little run there.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Making it interesting anyway.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Again, someone explain to me exactly who Al Davis is looking to hire that is going to be a better fit than Tom Cable. Tom is also loyal to Davis and can put up with his “management structure”
Stop wasting time since the rest of the coaching staff is gone as it is
January 7th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
S&B -
Maybe they were discussing possible hires for Cable’s new staff.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
good let ryan leave. The way things are going, al ol azz davis is going to hire cable as head coach, because it seems nobody else wants that position, and everybody who mentioned this is right, we do need a president or gm. and by the way who the f*ck is this jack azz herrera who speaks on behalf of davis. this guy wears knee pads, going down on davis. Every damn story that comes out of the raiders headquarters, is supposedly not true, herrera I take it you have no ballz my friend, because I would have slapped al davis already and said, you are pissing me off. Herrera you are a jackazz, your al davis’ puppet.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
S&B…don’t take this as getting in your face, I’m just trying to further the discussion. How do you know Tom is loyal to Al? How do you know he’s not just using the Raiders as a stepping stone as someone said Jagz would? If Cable were to be let go, do you think he would get another HC shot any time soon?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Cable with Jags as o coordinator or QB coach would work.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
next year raiders go 0-16
January 7th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Dogg,
Yeah, the W’s are hanging in there…the always dangerous, never consistent W’s can surprise anyone, anytime.
Celtics lost again…always nice.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
There are not my preferences for the Raiders staff, just some predictions for now.
HC – Tom Cable
Asst/HC – Paul Hackett
OC – James Lofton
DC – Keith Millard
ST – Brian Schneider
January 7th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
I don’t know about Lofton as OC. Wasn’t he our WR coach this year?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
The best thing that could happen was for Mangini to get hired by the Browns. That opened the door for him to get his “Hired in 5 minutes” @$$ out the door. I can only pray that its true. THANK GOD! Now. I cannot wait to find out what kind of defense Rob Ryan truly runs and compare it to next year’s Raider defense. I’d love to critique this whole situation and find out who’s really behind this “Al Davis” Defense.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
D
Considering Kobe only took 6 shots in the 1st half, I won’t be holding my breath. Entertaining game though, good to have Magette back, hate to see JaMarcus’ buddy Steven Jackson on the bench, they need his three’s.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Why are all the coaches abandoning Al’s ship, but Kiffin seems to be getting everyone he wants in Tenn? Maybe he is not the devil Al tried to paint him as?
Interesting days in Raider land. I can’t imagine things getting worse, but losing Rathman and Schneider is going to hurt.
Keeping Cable is going to hurt too.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Who cares, really! Besides you I imagine, nobody!
# Oakglenn’s Revenge Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
You wonder how DeFillipo Senior would feel about Jagodzinski coming here to work with DeFillipo Junior.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
N.O. Raider Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Here’s what else I’m thinking:
Until today we had no clues as to what is gonna happen but now we got two. Rathman and Schnieder. Those guys in my book were keepers and their both leaving. The other clowns are like don’t let the door hit you on the a$$.
Last Sunday Al had a conversation with Gilbride for 90 minutes. You think they were talking about the Giants upcoming game(s)? Al was getting feedback from Gilbride as to who he would bring with him from the Giants staff. He also wanted to know if Gilbride can fit in Cable in the plans in any way. Gilbride agrees to make any type of adjustments to accomodate Cable and Al but tells Al thats it. I’ll try Lofton out next year as well since he’s under contract and a good coach but the rest of the staff are mostly coming from the G-Men. So either the DB, LB, or DL position coach is going to be the next DC in Oakland. My guess is the DB coach.
Then next year we have this: An offensive minded coach who is a QB guru for JaMarcus and he will employ a hybrid ZBS/power-man blocking scheme. The DC will use everything he did under Sagnuola and that my friends will be one helluva team we gonna put out on the field next year.
Al can’t make a move now because he can’t under league rules. When the Giants are done, the sparks will fly. Just pay close attention to Eli Manning and Gilbride at the end of the game if and when they lose. Watch for the “Thanks for everything” embracement.
I wasn’t a fly on the wall but I was the bug in the phone.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Vt Raider
Lofton has already been interviewed for the Raiders HC position twice in the past. Davis obviously thinks highly of him. I would not be surprised at all if he was hired as OC, hand picked by Al himself.
Like I said earlier, these aren’t my choices, just predictions. Although I would be cool with Cable.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Vt Raider,
“If Al was to bring in yet another coach, it would have to be a slam dunk, can’t miss, Parcells type of coach.”
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Which we all know is very unlikely!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Thank God Rob Ryan is gone much to your chagrin I’m sure, Oakglenn & PinkHolePriest.
RR might actually be decent in Clev without AL telling him what to do. Will be interesting to watch. If RR had any balls he would have told AL to eat dog poop & run his own defense but he didn’t so he is garbage.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
It’s not definite that Schneider is leaving. There is definite league interest though, so it doesn’t look good.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Does anybody think Tom Rathman will be a good offensive Coordinator in S.F.? As far as I know, he doesn’t have any play calling experience and that may hurt that team big time. He may also be a surprise but who knows? I guess the only way to find out is to give the guy a chance.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
We’ll probably see DeAngelo Hall in Cleveland within the next couple of years with Rob Ryan there.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Coaches are running from Oakland the only fool still standing is Cable.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Huff
From what I heard Rathman will be the Running Backs Coach for the Niners. I could be wrong.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
ANDRES BIEDRINS, MVP
January 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Dogg I heard the same thing for Rathman. Jerry is prob wrong who knows, cares. Rathman probably would have taken the water boy job to get out of Oakland.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
The Oracle is rockin now
January 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Vt Raider,
Your suggestion of future events may be correct. But his insistance on MICROMANAGING the coaching staff is what gets Davis the designation as one of the worst GMs of the 21st century.
Why can’t he just hire the head coach and let the guy pick his staff? Why?????????????
January 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
RaiderDogg – According to Jerry McDonald’s blog above, he listed him as the Offensive Coordinator for the 49ers.
“Tom Rathman will be offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers”
January 7th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Might as well bring in Jon Ritchie to coach the RB’s.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Huff, the local radio station says Running Backs coach.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Huff
I think Jerry is mistaken.
Mistabrown
Biedrins with another steal! Love that Beat LA chant!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Rathman is RB coach for 49ers.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
RaiderDogg – Ok. Maybe I don’t know so um….I don’t know.
PFT.com
RATHMAN, BACK IN SAN FRAN
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2009, 8:03 p.m.
A familiar name and face is returning to San Francisco.
Per various media reports, former 49ers fullback Tom Rathman has accepted an offer to become the team’s new running backs coach.
Rathman replaces Tony Nathan, whom new coach Mike Singletary fired.
The team has not yet announced the move, reportedly because Rathman has not signed a contract.
Rathman spent the past two seasons as running backs coach of the Raiders. Before that, he worked as an assistant coach for Steve Mariucci, with the Lions from 2003 through 2005 and the 49ers from 1997 through 2002.
As a player, Rathman spent 1986 through 1993 with the 49ers, and 1994 with the Raiders.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Huff
insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_11401079?source=rss
pft.com is also reporting Rathman as the RB Coach. he isn’t ready to be an OC.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Okay, time to shut down the W’s….here we go Lakers!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RaiderDogg – Might as well sign Jon Ritchie to play fullback instead haha. The dude should have never left the Raiders.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Huff
No worries bro. You never know, Singletary has yet to hire an OC. Unless he hires Jim McMahon as his OC, Rathman may just get promoted.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Mangini and Ryan became pals while working on the Patriots staff together. Mangini was the DC and Rob Ryan was the LB Coach.
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Correction: Mangini was the video guy at the time learning the ins and outs of Spygate. Crennel was DC.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
we need to go either veteran such as brian billick,fassel, steve mariucci,etc.
if we are going to go new, then my vote is for Mcdaniels from new england, hire the president from the patriots, who wants out of new england, I forgot the presidents name. Let those coaches hire their staff.
Of course any of these coaches according to espn, and nfl network would have to be on crack to coach the raiders…..
January 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
N.O. Raider Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Here’s what else I’m thinking:
Until today we had no clues as to what is gonna happen but now we got two. Rathman and Schnieder. Those guys in my book were keepers and their both leaving. The other clowns are like don’t let the door hit you on the a$$.
Last Sunday Al had a conversation with Gilbride for 90 minutes. You think they were talking about the Giants upcoming game(s)? Al was getting feedback from Gilbride as to who he would bring with him from the Giants staff. He also wanted to know if Gilbride can fit in Cable in the plans in any way. Gilbride agrees to make any type of adjustments to accomodate Cable and Al but tells Al thats it. I’ll try Lofton out next year as well since he’s under contract and a good coach but the rest of the staff are mostly coming from the G-Men. So either the DB, LB, or DL position coach is going to be the next DC in Oakland. My guess is the DB coach.
Then next year we have this: An offensive minded coach who is a QB guru for JaMarcus and he will employ a hybrid ZBS/power-man blocking scheme. The DC will use everything he did under Sagnuola and that my friends will be one helluva team we gonna put out on the field next year.
Al can’t make a move now because he can’t under league rules. When the Giants are done, the sparks will fly. Just pay close attention to Eli Manning and Gilbride at the end of the game if and when they lose. Watch for the “Thanks for everything” embracement.
^ Interesting, but I don’t trust Gilbride as the HC, but if he were to bring most of the Giants assistants like Waufle as DC or keep Millard as DL coach, and we should hope they run more of the 4-3 aggressive mix that Spags and Jim Johnson run, then that would be nice. However, they still need another DE and DT, OT and a run stuffing LB
January 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag
January 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Huff
Ricthie could probably still play, he was my wife’s favorite player. I think it’s because we look very similar. Although my forehead doesn’t bleed like a professional wrestler like his does.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Don Nelson needs to get fired. His teams have never won a Championship and never will. I say this as a Warriors fan.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
NO Raider
I stand corrected
January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Randolf is going to be a STUD.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Huff
I hate to say it but I agree. Small Ball never wins in the playoffs.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I know it has been written quite a lot about how important cable has been to the team for the last two games. And I know alot of us in the raider nation see the other side in which the raiders got blown out against the likes of the falcons and pat’s. For me as a lifelong raider fan, all I want is a change for the positive. It is really really sad to see how far this franchise has fallen. I remember reading blogs from the past 6 offseasons in which every hopeful change in coach, player personal, and scheme ultimately turned into horrible products and 10plus losing records. To me and like alot of us here, it is really tough to dissect the intricacies of how this organization. And even when we thought at the end of each woeful season it could not get any worse, someway somehow it did. Why? Why? Why? Why? Mr Davis, when I was nine years old, I met you once, shook your hand, and took a picture with you. Later that day we got blown out to the Marv Levy, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas Buffalo Bills. Since I have been alive, I have never seen the raiders win a superbowl live. I was conceived two months after the raiders won their last superbowl against Washington. The glory was in the past and unfortunately no dvd, no tom flores book has filled the type of glory I have seen niner fan, dallas fan, giant fan, steeler fan, bronco fan, patriot fan, bucs fan, ravens fan, experience with winning the Lombardi. I don’t want to be cubs fan, I don’t want to be the 90 year old red sox fan. I want to see the raiders win a ring in my lifetime. For you raiders fan who have seen the raiders win one, two, or all three consider yourselves lucky. Those were the days, unfortunately I never experienced that. I only experienced post superbowl marcus allen, bo hip replacement jackson, jay schreider, jeff hos, etc. The only glory days for me was howie’s last game when the raiders got blown out in the afc championship and 00′, 01′, and 02′. I know, four years, with winning records reaching championship level play, only to falter, to fail, to lose. Please Uncle Al, please know that this raidernation generation exists, the one that has never seen the raiders win a ring. Please think about that next time you make a decision that will affect the next two, three or four plus years.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
RaiderDogg – Theres nothing wrong with looking like Ritchie. I would go ahead and cut your forehead wide open though, make it feel more real ya know? The guy just looks evil. Thats awesome.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
JC can you reduce your post to 5 lines or less, thanks in advance.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Don Nelson is so freakin stubborn with the rookies. Those are the guys he needs to build his team around instead of all the retreads he gets. Hes impatient. This team could improve so much faster if those young guys could just get some playing time and they’re talented. Thats another way Nelson is holding the team back outside of his scheme.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Cable is just as good as Billick, Fassell and Gilbride…however, Cable has the trust of the current roster.
A coaching change would signal to the players “Here we go again” and the new coach would have to spend an eternity just winning over the team.
Al should hire Cable and be done with this. Al is once again damaging the team he cares so deeply about
January 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
sorry hadn’t posted in quite awhile, lot of vent up frustration. Thanks mistabrown, will do next time
January 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
pissedoffraidernation – I completely agree with you. I have stated many times that I want the Josh McDaniels (Offensive Coordinator of the Patriots) to be our Head Coach. The guy calls a great game. I think the remarkable thing is gettin Cassel to play very well after Brady. You’re think of Pioli as G.M. That would be great but you and I both know that its all unrealistic. Those moves would be too good to be true.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Congratulations S & B !
You my friend get the “dumbest post of the year” award only 7 days into this year!
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Cable is just as good as Billick, Fassell and Gilbride…however, Cable has the trust of the current roster.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
John Ritchie? LOL
January 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
your right mistabrown, I forgot the guy doesn’t know powerpoint, let alone windows
January 7th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
# N.O. Raider Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
“Mangini and Ryan became pals while working on the Patriots staff together. Mangini was the DC and Rob Ryan was the LB Coach.
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Correction: Mangini was the video guy at the time learning the ins and outs of Spygate. Crennel was DC.”
N.O Raider
What I should have said was that they became friends when Mangini was the Patriots DB Coach from 2000-2004 under Crennel. Mangini didn’t become the Patriots DC until 2005.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I must be great because I can scout as well as Al Davis. YouTube.com baby haha.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
does anyone ever wonder if jerry mac blogs with us, but just uses random usernames?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Post #78 is dead on
January 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
youtube.com … HILLARRIOUS
January 7th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
aka huff that would be ideal to have the coach that we really would like in mcdaniels, if he can turn cassell into a really good quarterback, could you imagine what he can do with russell, and our running attack, our 3 headed beasts.mcfadden,bush,mcfargas
January 7th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
McFargas…Hahaha. Fargas could only WISH he had a Mc attached to his name. He might be able to catch the ball.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Watched the movie Ghost Town tonight…good flick.
Sounds like Alameda is going to be a ghost town soon…just Al, Herrera, Cable, Lofton, Trask and Taylor sitting around reading media reports, lol.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Josh McDaniels is said to be packaged with Pioli, but those two will never come here unless Al surrendered. Emperor Palpatine had to be thrown to his death. Al would probably get up and start laughing…
One thing, though, before he offers Cable the job…has Al eevn satisfied the Rooney Rule yet?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
No thats OakGlenn using random names..
# hhhrraaidders Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
does anyone ever wonder if jerry mac blogs with us, but just uses random usernames?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
S&B
Believe me, I’m not arguing with you about Davis’ GM abilities. I also agree with you that a HC should be able to pick his staff. The reality is, until Al lets go of certain responsibilities, that won’t happen. I am just as frustrated as the next Raiders fan. I want Al to bring in a GM and let him do the job. But I know it won’t happen. I know Parcells isn’t coming. I was just saying a Parcells type. Someone who knows what he’s doing, is respected around the league etc.
I didn’t say I didn’t want Cable back. My point was, none of us on this blog know squat about running a football team. We know what we’d like to do if we were. Could we get our way if we were? While vying with other teams for coaches, players etc. If we knew, we’d be doing it. How do any of us know who would make a good coach. Everyone thought Romeo did a bang up job with Cleveland last year. No one mentioned their easy schedule, Anderson’s inconsistent play from the day he started. People only looked at the wins.
What if, next year based on the Raiders’ last 2 wins, Cable kept the job. Now you’re happy. Are you going to be just as happy if they start 1-7 next year. Everyone will be calling for Cable’s head. Next year the Raiders have to play the NFC East and AFC North. That’s the Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Bengals, Browns, Ravens and Steelers. The Raiders don’t look to be able to win half of those games. Plus, we went what, 2-4 in division this year? We’re looking at another possible 5 win or less season next year.
All I’m saying is I would rather the Raiders put in due diligence when selecting a coach.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
NY Giant coaching staff….
Offensive Coaches
Offensive Coordinator – Kevin Gilbride
Quarterbacks – Chris Palmer
Running Backs – Jerald Ingram
Wide Receivers – Mike Sullivan
Tight Ends – Mike Pope
Offensive Line – Pat Flaherty
Assistant Offensive Line – Dave DeGuglielmo
Offensive Quality Control – Sean Ryan
Defensive Coaches
Defensive Coordinator – Steve Spagnuolo
Defensive Line – Mike Waufle
Linebackers – Bill Sheridan
Secondary/Corners – Peter Giunta
Secondary/Safeties – David Merritt
Defensive Quality Control – Andre Curtis
Special Team Coaches
Special Teams Coordinator – Tom Quinn
Assistant Special Teams – Thomas McGaughey
Strength and Conditioning
Strength and Conditioning – Jerry Palmieri
Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Markus Paul
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
HhhRRaiders – I have thought that before but it would be too hard to tell. For all we know, hes MR haha.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
McDaniels would be great, but just remember, he had a front row seat in one of the biggest ass kickings in the 21qst century just a few weeks ago and I doubt he wants any part in trying to rebuild something like that.
Pats were up 21-0 before Cable even knew the game started.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
i most definitely would take a mcdaniels over cable anyday. How many points did mcdaniels offense score against cable? forty somethin? Yeah, I’d take that. He reminds of a young gruden with the NFL smarts of being in the league and creativity. Plus working under Bill “lombardi” belicheck, he knows one or two things about how to run a team. I also think he would have instant respect from the players on our roster. Remember what he did last year? Best offense ever.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Dakota – In some ways, I wish that would happen. I wish everyone would leave the Raiders deserted so the league would do something about it. I’d love to see Al Davis on the field as the Head Coach again haha.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Nobody questions whether Al Davis can run a football team or not. Hes great…for the 1970’s.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Mistabrown,
Why are you deluding yourself in thinking Billick, Gilbride or Fassel are any good. Those guys are the classic Davis hires. Coaches that can’t get hired anywhere else. They will be fired next year after a sub-par season.
Cable had the team playing well at the end of the year. Plus a big win over the Jets and Broncos. This is the best this team has played in 6 years.
Why not let Cable get the year. WHy another coaching change THAT WILL NOT WORK. Face it…Davis cannot pick coaches. Give it to Cable and let him get to work
January 7th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Josh McDaniels is said to be packaged with Pioli, but those two will never come here unless Al surrendered. Emperor Palpatine had to be thrown to his death. Al would probably get up and start laughing…
One thing, though, before he offers Cable the job…has Al eevn satisfied the Rooney Rule yet?
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Al’s good. He should have Lofton’s two interviews grandfathered in.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Let the coaches flee just keep the talented players.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Do you think Turiaf has got something to prove?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I wish some real football heads would take over the raiders. this is just ridiculous. I also hope that with all the assistant coaches jumping off ship doesn’t make al davis do something stupid … like hire cable
January 7th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Josh McDaniels is said to be packaged with Pioli, but those two will never come here unless Al surrendered. Emperor Palpatine had to be thrown to his death. Al would probably get up and start laughing…
One thing, though, before he offers Cable the job…has Al eevn satisfied the Rooney Rule yet?
^ LOL
January 7th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Word out of Cleveland back when they were courting him was that Pioli didn’t want McDaniels, he wanted the U of Iowa HC.
What does this say about McDaniels? Pioli doesn’t think the 32 year old is ready?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
#100
LMFAO
January 7th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
We should just forfeit next season and wait until theres no cap. Then we’ll take the league by storm. We may actually have a chance if we can spend every penny we got to overpay every great player in the league. Then, with Pro Bowl players are every position, we just might win.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
S&B, heres my take on it.
It doesn’t matter! AL is killing the team, ok ? So Cable, Fassel, Billick, whats the difference? No quality asst’s are going to come in here. AL dictates a horrible defense to the DC.
Let it be Cable because in the end its 4-12, 5-11, or maybe 6-10.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Damn Mista, this is the offseason! The only time during the year we Raider fans can have hope! Why so gloomy? LOL
January 7th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Huff…That was funny!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
i think there will be a coach after the super bowl
January 7th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
I was laughing earlier about the possible Gilbride, Spags coming to Oakland. Don’t know why I even dreamt that…I guess that is why I was laughing…
January 7th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
does cable have a crew
January 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
hwanrde now that would be great
January 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Oh its the offseason?
My bad..
January 7th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Al wants to draft Tebow with our first round pick and then switch him to TE. Al will then swith Z. Miller to OLB and Russell to RT, and our starter at QB will be Andrew Walter!
WE WILL WIN. WE WILL WIN.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Darkside…
If his staff (which is actually Kiffin’s staff) are leaving one by one (or 3 by 3), I don’t think he will have a crew for long.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Post 121,
Wow…at least I am not the only one dreaming. LOL
January 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
LMAO
Yeah he has a crew, Gilligan, the Skipper, and MaryAnn.
# dark side Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
does cable have a crew
January 7th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
That damned Russian boxer! He is killing us!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Drago?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Mista
Is Al Mr Howell and Herrera is Lovey?
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
The W’s are done.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I say we waive huff, waive walker, restructure kellys contract, use that money to resign aso and lechler, put the rest of the money to invest in pioli and Mcdaniels. VT RAIDER, none of us have ever coached or ran a professional team in our lives, but we all can agree that we know who is a good coach when we see one. that being mcdaniels. Kiffin was a good choice but he had too many people against him, he will do good in tennessee. I knew that art shell was a very bad decision, I knew that getting rid of gruden was the worst decision, and I also know that our owner is mentally ill. I dont need to be in the nfl to know all of those things. But what I do see is that pioli has been almost perfect with new england. and I do see that McDaniels can run up a score on anybody with tom brady or cassell. He can do it with cassel who’s last start was in high school. That is crazy, and I dont have to be a coach to know that the last thing I want is for the broncos to sign mcdaniels as head coach, and have his team kick our azzes two times a year. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A COACH OR NFL PERSONNEL TO KNOW THAT.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Drago.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
what is up my nation brothers….happy new year. my laptop has been in repair, i am at my brothers house and just wanted to chime in to see whats up.
crazy coaching situation we have going on here dont we…
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
man you guys suk!!! U hope al this, u hope al that, quit your whining. I for one hope al moves the team to la so I can read the blog in the times and you can all go back to being the niner fans you are.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Hallelua! If you think NY JETS faded at the end of last season, wait til next season. With Rob Ryan as DC, they may as well kiss NEXT season Goodbye.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Gasol and Bynum finally realize they were playing midgets?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Dogg, yes & yes.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Uuuum, isn’t Ryan going to the Browns and not the Jets?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Hey STR!!!
…will you be our HC? I’d take you over Cable in a heartbeat.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Spags aint coming here but Mike Waufle might…..he coached for the Raiders before…
January 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Ragin – You want to move the Raiders to L.A. and you call us 49er fans? Get the fuk outta here.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
pissedoff…Mcdaniels is an awesome offensive coach at 32. Yes, NE ran it up on everyone last year, except for the Giants the second time when it mattered. Just worried about that good old NE tree of coaches that never amounted to anything after that. Robo, Romeo, Weiss, Magnini (maybe one year)…Who knows, maybe Josh will be the one who will break out of that, and I agree…hope he doesn’t go to Denver!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
If Clevland blitzes next year we will know how much influence Al had with the defense.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Rob Ryan has been saying for years that he was “Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl”. The problem is, he only says it on the way to the bathroom.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
lol, good one Dogg.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Lake show wins….Warriors blow it…
January 7th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Everyone knows that Davis can’t attract good coaches. We all know this. So talking about McDaniels, Parcells, Pioli, Spagnola etc…is a waste of time. The Raiders are who they are and Davis is who he is. not changing. There won’t be a GM either so stop that talk.
The best bet…given the current situation…is Tom Cable.
1. Cable has the support of the players including the QB
2. Cable had the team playing well towards the end of the year
3. Al Davis has absolutely no skills in picking coaches
4. The Raiders have had 10 coaches in 19 years
5. See number 3 above
January 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I’m just happy the hate in Denver has diminished greatly with the loss of Shanahan.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Post 143, You made me spit beer on my keyboard.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Ragin…are you really a Ram fan from LA? Because if you was a Raider fan, you would know better than to call Raider fans Niner fans!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
So McDaniels can come in, win, while dealing with AL? Until Al gives up a certain amount of control, he’s not giving it to Pioli, it’s the same old same old. It doesn’t MCDaniels would be a bad coach, just the same bad situation. We should be used to the Donkeys beating us twice a year by now. Denver is a superior franchise. From the top down they are better run. If McDaniels is looking at both the Raiders and the Broncos, you think he would think twice about going to Oakland? Let’s see, meddlesome owner, crappy stadium, owner could sue the league, move the team, fire me after my first year for 4 wins. Sorry for being a realist. Until Al gives up some control, we are not getting a top tier coach.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
S&B – Well some of us are having fun being in fantasy land ok? Haha.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Everyone have a good night. I’m out.
Congrats on the win Dakota.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I’m out too, late on the East coast
January 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
VT, I agree with you. See post 95. Everyone (should) know that Al needs to keep himself and his walker (the spy) away from everything. As for the stadium part, take a look at Candlestick. That is a crap hole!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Night Dogg. Better luck next time.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Peace out, Nation!!! Hopefully we all will hear something soon…
January 7th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
night all
January 7th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
No vanilla defense of idiot rob ryan? God we may have a chance
January 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Why do we get worked up about Cable. Everyone knows that his forte is O-line coach. He is phenomenal O-line coach. That is his calling. He fell into this HC job and as far as decision making on the fly, or even at halftime, I have to say was not impressive. We need a real head coach. I ideally in the mold of Bellech (as much as I hate that turd). The last game victory fell into his lap also, recall Bush was in there by default. If we had Fargus carry the ball the whole game, Gruden Bucks would have been in the playoffs.
I just think, we need to hire the BEST MAN, based on Merit. Not just because he has “good chemistry” with the players.
The down side, of course, is that if Cable does not get the job then it is back to square one. If your article is accurate, SPC, OC AND DC (thank God, OH please let that be true) are all going to be elsewhere next year. You, know Cable will NOT resign as the OLC. This sucks….. again…. and again
January 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I can’t wait to see how the next Defensive Coordinator runs Al Davis’ defense.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
I dont want Cable as well but what other viable options do you have?
January 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
#24 Aka Huff24 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I can’t wait to see how the next Defensive Coordinator runs Al Davis’ defense.
Wish it was Greg Robinson
January 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
What happened? Rob Ryan out? Who cares. I want Al out. Another puppet at DC. Guaranteed. 2 man under, every down. Watch.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Cable isnt a smart dude and plus he is an Al puppet. I’m sure he will coach in 2009
January 7th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Sirblitzalot – If a rookie Head Coach can make the Ravens and Dolphins and Falcons look good, theres no reason we can’t find a coach who can do the same and turn this team around in 1 year. The problem is that Al Davis will be picking him.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Wow if we keep cable then geez were in trouble what about all the horrible games, not playing henderson when harris was the worst Lt in the nfl and then his play calling I dont like changing coaches all the times but if someone cant cut it you let them go. If we dont keep cable would anyone hire him as a hc no way. Get a real coach draft well and let’s use the best weapons we’ve had in a long time j-russ,bush,miller,dmac build aroung that core and foreget the loser squad of fargas,curry,burgess,kelly,williams these guy dont know how to win and their experince means nothing when its a history of losing!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Al is still the everything for the Raiders and thats the problem. As much as I love Al and defend him alot, these puppets running your style of offense and defense will get us another double digit loss season
January 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I just want to win…………………period
All you geniuses make your predictions about who can and who can’t……I just want to win.
How stupid Al Davis is and how he can’t do anything right…………..it appears to me you all like his players. And that’s how you win with players.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
bhp…………has it been working?
January 7th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Again, the Raiders are not going to get a quality rookie coach. Cable fell into Davis’ lapo due to the ongoing chaos he fosters. Cable may not be the best coaching candidate in the league…but he’s the best the Raiders can do.
Picking anyone else will simply be a replay of the last 19 years of coaches…..Remember, Gruden either quit or was traded/fired.
Al Davis cannot pick coaches. So lets go with a known commodity that wants to be here.
Let Cable pick his staff too. Al has to stop picking the assistants. Man…Al Davis is something else….
January 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Al Davis knows talent but he is having trouble running a nfl organization
January 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
BHP,
My primary problem with Al Davis is the management of coaches. Period.
The roster is actually pretty good. Just have a couple of holes to fill in. Although Al does need an independent advisor before making these free agent deals. But the roster is fine. I actually like it.
Now if Al would just let Cable get prepared for the season. He has to hire all new assistants and get ready for the draft
January 7th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
S&B all we can do is let things play out. The Raiders played the best ball I’ve seen them play in 7years under Cable and I have no doubt that he would do a very good job if given the chance. They just punked Tampa with 2nd and 3rd stringers so it certainnly speaks volumns about what T Cable is capable of if given an offseason and training camp this team could start off very hot.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
There are not my preferences for the Raiders staff, just some predictions for now.
HC – Tom Cable
Asst/HC – Paul Hackett
OC – James Lofton
DC – Keith Millard
ST – Brian Schneider
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I would prefer
HC – Defensive mind coach
OC – Cable with fully autonomy on his offense
DC – College choosen by the HC
ST – Schneider
January 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Coaches are falling like dominoes and Al is once again behind the curve.
“Those coaches weren’t the futa of the Raiduhs. The futa belongs to….Damn it, John-What is this guys name again?” – Al Davis
January 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Yeah, and you’re just a genius……..whew! who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.
All you know is what you’re told and you barely understand that.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
BHP you come in here everyday and pretend that there’s nothing wrong with the Raiders. 6 straight 11 loss seasons. that’s a record. No owner, GM, or coach has ever been that bad, in history, except for Al Davis. He sucks, and so do you. You want more of this?
January 7th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
BHP, Al Davis is retarded, and has no clue as to how to win in today’s NFL. That’s a fact, and you have nothing to refute it with. You coksucker.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Al will wait until every other coach is hired and then choose someone that no one else would even sniff and claim that he was looking at that guy all along.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Clint,
LOL….calling NHP a cock su kka! haha
Thumbs up…
January 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Clint,
LOL….calling BHP a cock su kka! haha
Thumbs up…
January 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Here’s what I would like to see:
1. Tom Cable named head coach
2. Tom Cable given full authority to pick the entire staff
3. Brian Schneider is retained
January 7th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
If wanted to refute it you dumbell you wouldn’t have a clue what the hell the evidence was. Let’s just say you have an opinion what the hell it is I doubt you know. So I’ll let yu discuss this with yourself from here on out. I just can’t muster up the interest.
I’d much rather talk with someone with a thought pattern that’s a little more mature. OK pumpkin
January 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Congratulations S & B !
You my friend get the “dumbest post of the year” award only 7 days into this year!
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Come on MistaClown. You only care about “dumbest post of the year” because you are the defending 9 time champion. and the award has only been given out nine times.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
# Blackholepriest Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I just want to win…………………period
All you geniuses make your predictions about who can and who can’t……I just want to win.
How stupid Al Davis is and how he can’t do anything right…………..it appears to me you all like his players. And that’s how you win with players.
^ Umm…your forgetting about having good coaches, a good personnel man, and a good scouting department as being vital pieces to winning football games. It’s an organizational effort, not just the players on the field.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Not abad list S&B, but to be honest very few coaches name their entire staff. It’s really very rare. I don’t know that it’s as necessary as you think. What Cable needs is the ability to call the shots on the field. If he strongly disagrees with a coach being there I know he has the maturity to take it to Mr Davis and get done what he wants done.
The main thing is he needs to dominate the lcker room and what happens on the field the same as Madden nad Flores. In time he will be given the rest of the responsibilties of naming the rest of the staff and some player movement as well as the draft once he’s won.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Darknight, I didn’t forget anything I just didn’t feel i wanted to add all those necessary things.
Because bottom line I just want to WIN…………period
January 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
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January 7th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
No one is jumping ship contracts r up n this isnt the staff that Cable picked heck Knapp was stripped of duties 2months ago the only thing now is it Cable or a vet hc then Al n hc will sit down n pick staff.Then its about who do we resighn n who do we pursue in freagency.3rd draft ot de or wr thats it.KEEP CABLE THATS R BEST BET N THEN PRAY
January 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
# ragin Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
man you guys suk!!! U hope al this, u hope al that, quit your whining. I for one hope al moves the team to la so I can read the blog in the times and you can all go back to being the niner fans you are.
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Ragin is right. You “fans” are complete idiots. Most of you only say what is wrong. Fire Cable, Fire Jamarcus, fire Davis. You don’t ever say what you would do to build the team. At least posters like BHP, and S&B and others say what they would do to improve the team not just bitch like teen age girls. You people suck. And I;m looking at Mistabrown Darkknight and Dakota here.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Sirblitzalot Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Why do we get worked up about Cable. Everyone knows that his forte is O-line coach. He is phenomenal O-line coach. That is his calling. He fell into this HC job and as far as decision making on the fly, or even at halftime, I have to say was not impressive.
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tom Cable was the offensive coordinator for a #5 UCLA Bruin team a couple of years back. He also ran the #9 offense in the nation at Colorado. He sure came back 10 points down against Chucky and Monte Kiffin a couple of weeks back. You might want to think before you post again.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
It helps to read common sense posters like Scoff and WV Raider 4eva. Not that they agree with me or anything it’s just that they post with some objectivity instead of the anti-AL irrational crap. Insightful fans saw the improvement Cable brought to the table and just hope that he has the ability to get it done over 16 games.
If not he then the coach who’s chosen t get the job done. NONE of us want to endure another season like the last 6 years and want nothing other capable coaches and players that can restore this franchise to greatness.
WE all realise that MR Davis has failed miserably in the recent past and hope that that has come to an end. WE’ll see.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
BHP,
Davis should spend the time discussing philosophy with Tom Cable. If Davis is comfortable with Cable’s philosophy, he really needs to trust his head coach to implement it.
Davis should then spend most of his time working with his scouting team to get ready for the draft and free agency. This is where I would like to see Davis spend 90% of his time once he names the head coach.
Let Cable handle the coaching staff and offseason preparation!
January 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
BlackholePriest what I have learned from this blog is 95% of the posters here have no clue what the hell they are talking about on any level. They just come here to annoy others. They never discuss the game. Look at this Dakota fool. He makes 15 posts and all of them are stupid. He makes not funny sad jokes, talks about basketball and then leaves. mistabrown is even worse. # Mistabrown Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
S&B, heres my take on it.
It doesn’t matter! AL is killing the team, ok ?
Let it be Cable because in the end its 4-12, 5-11, or maybe 6-10.
The team was 3-3 in their last six games. The players know Lane Kiffin was the one who sold them out. Where do these idiots in here come from? It’s just one knee jerk reaction after another: It’s Ryan. It;s Jamarcus. It’;s Al Davis. You idiots need to get a new interest. You have failed at this one.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
S&B what is it that you think Mr Davis does?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Scoff, I know man I’ve been saying the same thing for two years. There were a few more in here that had a clue but they get overwhelmed with all the stupidity and give sort of like myself I come in here maybe twice a week and occsiomally get onti a decent conversation about the Raiders but it’s getting less and less as time goes on and they’re so ignorant sometimes you wonder if it’s actually what they believe.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 am
BHP,
I “think” Davis spends too much time trying to find too many pieces of the coaching puzzle. I think he is currently trying to fill out most of the coaching staff. Certainly I think he is looking for a DC, in addition to the HC. He may be looking for an OC too.
I would rather see him focus on the HC and get ready for the draft and free agency. Focus his time on re-signing Aso, Lechler, C. Johnson.
Dont underestimate the time it takes to get ready for the draft and free agency. Those are full-time gigs in their own right.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:18 am
S&B, Mr Davis’s biggest involvement with the team is player acquisition. I’ve talked to many coaches over the years and contrary to ppular belief MR Davis rarely if ever dictates to a coach what his scheme will be especially offensively. On defense he just has a phylosophy not a particular defense he wants ran. Gruden ran his own offense so did Norv and Kiffin and unfortunately Shell. So Tom Cable will design his offense and implement it. AS well as determine what he thinks should be done on defense, every coach I’ve ever talked to said they ran their scheme.
Now you can believe it or not but it’s the truth. Wh ever he hires you’ll see their own program succeed or fail. Regardless to what the media says.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:27 am
I disagree S&B Mr Davis may inqire as to who the prospective coach has in mind for a staff but HE personally isn’t looking for an OC or DC he may help to convince the guy to come as he did Cable but Kiffin selected Cable.
Mr Davis doesn’t fill out the staff for his HC the head coach does. If there are staff members under contract he may try to get the new coach to consider them but select them himself for the coach NO. Kiffin hired his entire offensive staff and most of the defensive staff and so did Gruden and Art Shell and Norv.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:28 am
“It may sound a little too Kiffin-like to consider him as a head coaching candidate, but it’s not a stretch to envision Davis talking to him about being offensive coordinator should Jagodzinski not get the job with the Jets.”
BHP, Keep in mind, I don’t know how Davis does things. Its ALL speculation on my part. But quotes like this from the Jerry make me think otherwise.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:36 am
jerrymac: “No assurances that Cable would have the call with regard to DC. Kiffin didn’t get the coordiantor he wanted. Al hired Rob Ryan. Jon Gruden wanted Jim Johnson (now with the Eagles) and got Willie Shaw instead. (Shaw actually did a terrific job in his first year).”
January 8th, 2009 at 12:40 am
S&B, I know this may throw you but Jerry really doesn’t know what Mr Davis really does. I read a lot of stuff from Jerry that I know to be wrong but he’s the supposed authority in here. He really does try to work with his coach. I’ve read in here where Jerry will say if they throw the ball long then they’re running MR Davis’ offense………. how stupid is that? To say if a coach calss a nine route then Davis is calling plays…..just plain goofy as if every caoch in football uses the short passing game.
Jerry is a crap stirrer plain and simple.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Hey Al! DO YOUR JOB! You want to run the team than wake up. Losing Rathman and Schneider will hurt the team. While other teams move to lock up head coaches so they can move to lock up the best assistants – you snooze and the Raiders lose. It takes 10 days to interview Cable? What have you been doing, debating with your “cook” about red jello versus green jello?
Before a raider county al-kisser says, “that’s the way he’s always done it” let me point out – the way he’s done it has never been good. Madden, Flores and Shell Act 1 were basically in-house promotions. Since then Gruden is the only 1 of what 10 coaches he has hired that was worth anything. Al needs to get on the job and start locking things down.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:55 am
BHP – Making that arguement in the case of Ryan is foolish. Ryan has been on Davis’ scholarship through Turner, Shell, Kiffin and Cable. His defense posted 1 decent season in 2006 owing largely to teams not even trying. Jerry knows Al just fine based on the reality that al forced Ryan on Kiffin and likely Shell too. “Work with head coaches?” please
January 8th, 2009 at 12:57 am
BHP,
I hope you are right. I really do. THe only thing I want to see is wins. My problem with Davis is only with the way he manages the coaching staff.
I would really feel a lot better (not that it matters) if Davis would lock down the coach search earlier rather than later.
The Raiders actually have something to build on this year. A young QB, DMAC, Higgins, Miller, Schillens, Henderson, Bush…Really are starting to get things in line on the offense and can have a breakthrough if the team builds its chemistry in the offseaso..as opposed to using the first 4 weeks of the regular season.
Coaching is the key to getting the offense on a right foot and Cable provides that continuity. On defense, a new DC means a new system. Get the new DC in there soon so that the Raiders can make intelligent choices on free agents and the draft based on the DC’s system and player evaluation.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:04 am
S&B you are spot on. What al apologists ignore is other teams are moving hard and fast while our GM snoozes.
Matt Ryan was studying film the day after losing in the playoffs getting ready for next year. Russell? Shoot he doesn’t know who his coach will be, or OC.
Miami’s coach was breaking down film for 09. Tenn is locking up Haynesworth before free agency, Dallas cut pacman…
Things are moving and if we don’t act we’ll be left with what ever is left over – again.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:23 am
If Davis doesn’t screw things up with Kiffin, we’re preparing for Pittsburgh right now instead of discussing 7th round draft picks. It’s too bad. Because of how Davis handled the Kiffin situation, we’re now back at square one. Rebuild time. Al Davis really needs to retire.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:25 am
It’s starting to look as if Al really is leaning towards picking Cable as head coach. Good, he showed that he can handle it and those last three games were a real positive. Especially the way he opened it up some for Russell. Cable deserves a complete year to show what he can do at least. It also sounds as if Al might be working with Cable a little already in regard to the team.
Man,I’m tired of reading tea leaves. Get it over with already.
Jagodinski as offensive coordinator might just be a good idea. His protege Matt Ryan didn’t do badly at all. Losing Knapp is not a problem. His play calling and the Kiffin/Knapp play calling was not impressive. They both failed to develop Russell.
Another coach who did real good was special teams coach Schneider. Al, if you really are leaning to Cable, do something about keeping Schneider he’s a proven quantity. Too bad about Rathman, but he was a ‘49 and probably always will be.
We need to get going on a new defense coordinator now that Ryan’s gone to Cleveland. The good ones aren’t jobless for long.
Now that the Raiders have finally interviewed someone for the HC job, how about that “executive” that was promised in Al’s news conference. Too many things just sit around waiting for action to be taken with the greatest ever NFL team.
All in all I’m just happy that things are moving finally.
Man, how long to September?!
January 8th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Wrong no coach can dominate the locker room as long as Al treats the coaches as if they have no authority. Yeah yeah, we all no Al’s top dog but when the players sense the coach has no control who’s gonna play for him? Yes man are all the same.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Is Rob Ryan officially gone or what?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Hey Cable is actually smart. He took responsiblity, didn’t cry or whine, and cooperated with Al Davis (no public drama) and the guys started playing like men.
Give him a chance.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Cable did a fine job. But his accomplishments don’t justify how Al handled the Kiffin situation. If Kiffin is here, we’re in the playoffs, right now.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:25 am
England Raider, I’m not sure about Cable, yet. There’s lots of other options. Lots of tasty rumors out there. Why settle on Cable when the grass is so much greener on the other side? We need change in Oakland, not more of the same.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:28 am
My favorite thing about this blog, guys? Is that Jerry keeps tabs on Al Davis. Jerry knows Al Davis better than anyone. He knows what Al is going to do before he does it. Sure, Al always denies what Jerry reports but Jerry always ends up being right. If you want to know what’s going on in Al Davis’s head, ibabuzz.com/raidersblog. That’s all I’ve got to say.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:36 am
I really hope Cable won’t be the HC again. But whoever it will be, Davis will controll him and therefor we can forget about a winning season. The rumor that Ryan is fired just made my day!!! xD
I hope We’ll draft a LT and DT in the first two rounds!
January 8th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Hello….. Nation.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:42 am
A brand new Raider day to cheer about the possibilities.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:46 am
would john madden as a GM satisfy raider nation ? i personally dont know if thats good or bad but i always liked madden and he cant be worse than al’s become in his aging years. i wouldnt doubt these rumors being you can see al slowing down and i cant see him ever giving away any authority to anyone outside of raider nation again unless it was bill parcells.. madden makes sense for the future. we’ll see !!
January 8th, 2009 at 4:51 am
would john madden as a GM satisfy raider nation ? i personally dont know if thats good or bad but i always liked madden and he cant be worse than al’s become in his aging years. i wouldnt doubt these rumors being you can see al slowing down and i cant see him ever giving away any authority to anyone outside of raider nation again unless it was bill parcells.. madden makes sense for the future. we’ll see !!
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Doubt Madden would even consider going into a frantic day to day struggle over a cushy commentator gig.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:57 am
Madden would be a flop as GM.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:01 am
Be back later.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Post 209:
I understand that you’re not sure about Cable, neither am I, but I think he deserves a shot. Let’s see what he can do as head coach with a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator.
He forced the Raiders to make progress in those last three games and there was no doubt among the players or the coaches as to who was in charge. You could tell that just from watchng the games and the activity on the sideline.
You say we need change in Oakland. Man, I’m sick of changing coaches and I want to see some continuity. I want to see someone building on something. I think Cable is up to the job. He did better with Russell than either Kiffin or Knapp. I would like to some one like Jagodisnski brought in to work with Russell though.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:15 am
This is the biggest HC hiring in a long time in my mind. With 19 of 20 coaches on the staff not under contract after 1/13 the new coach might finally get to pick his own staff. Lofton is the only coach on the staff after Cable’s runs out 1/13. With the young talent on this team we need our asst’s to be teachers and a HC with a plan. That what Gruden provided and we haven’t had since. The next HC or OC has to have a QB development background or J Russ will never become the franchise QB we need.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:18 am
ROB RYAN IS A GONER!!! YES!
TWO MORONS GONE IN 2 DAYS (KNAPP/ RYAN)!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AL!
January 8th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Great Day In The Morning NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Clean slate for Cable to bring in his choices.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Mary Steed Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Cable did a fine job. But his accomplishments don’t justify how Al handled the Kiffin situation. If Kiffin is here, we’re in the playoffs, right now.
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Mary steed AKA Madden Raider.
Gross dude.
No one buys your idiotic claims no matter how many times you say it or who you say it as.
Face it little lady, when you’re wrong YOUR WRONG.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Today is a day to celebrate. No more Rob Ryan!!!!!!! Feels like Christmas and Independence Day all in one. Thank you Eric Mangini and Cleveland.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:13 am
We should trade Nnamdi for at least a `1st and 2nd round pick minimum he doesnt want to be here anymore. Pacman has been released pick him up he struggled in Dallas playing zone but is a beast at man-coverage and can return punts if JLH cant handle the workload.
Thoughts?
January 8th, 2009 at 6:18 am
CABLE,DAVIS DISCUSS JOB. MAYBE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DAVIS’ JOB, WHO KNOWS…
January 8th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Dude===Are you kidding me??? Pick up Pac man? BTW JLH returned 3 punts for TD’s. Nobody else had more than 1. Trade Nnamdi? He is the best player on the team. Sorry, but you have it all wrong.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:20 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Jagodinski as offensive coordinator might just be a good idea. His protege Matt Ryan didn’t do badly at all. Losing Knapp is not a problem. His play calling and the Kiffin/Knapp play calling was not impressive. They both failed to develop Russell.
Another coach who did real good was special teams coach Schneider. Al, if you really are leaning to Cable, do something about keeping Schneider he’s a proven quantity. Too bad about Rathman, but he was a ‘49 and probably always will be.
We need to get going on a new defense coordinator now that Ryan’s gone to Cleveland. The good ones aren’t jobless for long.
Now that the Raiders have finally interviewed someone for the HC job, how about that “executive” that was promised in Al’s news conference. Too many things just sit around waiting for action to be taken with the greatest ever NFL team.
All in all I’m just happy that things are moving finally.
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Hey Cable is actually smart. He took responsiblity, didn’t cry or whine, and cooperated with Al Davis (no public drama) and the guys started playing like men.
Give him a chance.
I am not going to give argument here, especially with ENGLANDRAIDER. That coach from BC did develop Ryan, and we all know what he did. Some may question his loyalty, and he may bolt after a season or two to better himself. But, hey…who wouldn’t? Until Al changes his ways, we would never know if a good quality coach can have success here and actually stay for more than 4 years (which is ho long Gruden stayed).
As far as Copenhagen fan states is actually correct. Cable never wined about it. he kept everything in house, and actually kept in communication with Al, and the players responded. It may have been a little too late, but he did say that he was dealing with an elephant,and not a mouse like he thought. things take time, and like someone else posted on this site, Cable is what we have now, and he WANTS to be here. Will Al give him a chance? Well, we are all not Al, so we wil never know until that time comes.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:24 am
What up Peoples,,,
I honestly think if Al really wanted Cable, he would have just interviewed Lofton for the sake of the Rooney Rule and then hire Cable as coach. I think he really wants one of the top OCs thats currently in the playoffs. That being said Al will probably hire Cable as head coach by default, when the top OCs decide to wait another year for a better opportunity.
Cable By Default.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:26 am
The Dude Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 6:13 am
We should trade Nnamdi for at least a `1st and 2nd round pick minimum he doesnt want to be here anymore. Pacman has been released pick him up he struggled in Dallas playing zone but is a beast at man-coverage and can return punts if JLH cant handle the workload.
Thoughts?
Pac Man was a good player, but I believe that Dallas cut him loose because now that Vegas shooting story took a turn for the worse against him. Witnesses, i believe, now say that he was the shooter. So, PacMan will probably be incarcerated come fall. Besides JLH is probably the most exciting return man we have had in years. he is a threat. No need to replace him, unless for someone more exciting.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:29 am
special teams coach Brian Schneider could also be on the move, with interviews in Jacksonville and Seattle
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NO !!!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:29 am
I hear ya Rockstar, I hear ya.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Jason Garrett interviewed with the Lions. Could he also be interested in the Raiders? You know Al Davis wants an offensive minded HC
January 8th, 2009 at 6:31 am
There is no hope for this team. As other teams look at GMs and credible coaching candidates, Al Davis twiddles his thumbs. If the Chiefs hire Pioli as GM, we’ll be stuck in last place for years. Tom Cable seems like a good guy and deserves better than be given a crappy roster of underachievers and a bunch of third-rate coaches by a paranoid old man.
Davis must go. But he won’t.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Mangini will be introduced as HC today. Then tomorrow he’ll probably contact the Raiders about Rob Ryan. nothing is set in stone yet, but I wish it was!
The sooner he leaves, the better!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Pac Man: 0 INT’s + 0 punt returns for TD = Lots of problems. Why don’t we bring in Chris Henry, Mike Vick, Nate Newton, Travis Henry & Lawrence Phillips while were at it.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Today is a day to celebrate. No more Rob Ryan!!!!!!! Feels like Christmas and Independence Day all in one. Thank you Eric Mangini and Cleveland.
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couldn’t agree more wishbone. I’ve been waiting 5 years to see this day come and it’s finally here
Rob Ryan will look great in turd brown. haha
January 8th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Hwnrdr,
on pacman:
“Outside the Lines” obtained information that police, investigating a separate Atlanta-area case, had been told by an informant that Jones ordered the June 2007 shooting following his dispute with one of the men. Police have said while the case remains open they are not actively investigating.
Nothin to do with vegas or him being the shooter, he ordered a shooting supposedly.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:36 am
If Al has his way, Vick may be here straight outta prision…Lawrence Phillips? Is he even on planet Earth still?
January 8th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Thanks Raiderwoj (post 240),
I knew there was something up with Pacman as to why Dallas let him go and all I heard last night from a friend was gun, shooting, and him. But he always said that it went back to the Vegas incidnet. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I don’t care who WE think would be great coordinators or who Al Davis thinks would be great coordinators. I just want Davis to hire a Head Coach. Then give that HC the authority to fill out both the offensive & defensive coaching staffs.
HC – Kevin Gilbride
OC – Jeff Jag or Jim Fassel
QB coach – Paul Hackett
wr coach – james lofton
OL/asst HC – Tom Cable
DC – Mike Waufle or Sean McDermott
That would be an awesome coaching staff IMO !!!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Phillips is around, jail\prison. He was charged\convicted with attempted murder when he tried to run over some kids on a playground after a pickup game.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:41 am
IF KIFFIN WERE HERE WE WOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFF’S, GOOD GREIF, IS THERE A NEW EXOTIC DRUG ON THE STREET’S OR WHAT ?
January 8th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I’d take Mike Vick as a backup to Russell over Tui any day!
still under contract with ATL though and may not be reinstated by the time training camp rolls around … 2 years away from the game will make you rusty
January 8th, 2009 at 6:45 am
1.I cannot believe any fan of BAy Area football is surprised that Rathman jumped at the chance to work for his old team. 2.Everyone keeps attacking for “not letting the HC hire his own staff. Newsflash! Kiffin hand picked the current offensive staff aside from Lofton.And he hired the guy Lofton replaced! It really shouldn’t come as any surprise that the coaching staff would change as a new head coach takes over. As far as having a hard time keeping the assistants, I don’t think Al is trying to. He probably plans on letting the new coach bring in their own people for the most part. As he did with Kiffin and Gruden. And even Art Shell.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Vick didnt shoot anybody or use drugs. he didn’t abuse women or get in coaches faces. he didnt blame coaches for losses or demand to be traded. he won football games. I could care less if a player gets busted for dog fighting. He broke the law, he served his time. He deserves a second chance and I hope ATL cuts him loose and Davis picks him up. He’s a playmaker. for real. how many football players out there probably go by a different name in public or give women std’s? A TON is my guess …
January 8th, 2009 at 6:48 am
all contracts are up on the 13th.True 2 form Big Al prolly wont show his hand till then.I’m sure “they” already know who,they’re just waiting till the legally correct time imo
January 8th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Joe, Al Davis picked up Rob Ryan in 2004 – not Norv Turner. and he’s lasted 5 years with all of his asst coaches during that span despite 4 changes at Head Coach. You mean to tell me that all 4 HC’s wanted Rob Ryan as DC? i don’t buy it. Kiffin publicly stated he wanted Ryan out … I wonder how many others wanted the same thing behind closed doors with Davis and got denied?
January 8th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Rockstar,
There was speculation that Vick will probably be at one of the Bay Area teams upon release from prision. Vick is a typical Al Davis signing because he has gotten in to trouble and now deserves a second chance. I would take him as a backup to Russell over Tui anyday. Tui was a asad story in itself and I actually feel sorry for both Tui and Walter. Vick can actually be used as tailback, and wr, and also can be used in the wildcat formation. Who knows, though. We do have other holes to fill, but I have a feeling that Al will try and get him.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Gary Gibbs got fired as DC for the Saints. He would make a great LB coach imo …
January 8th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Vick can actually be used as tailback, and wr, and also can be used in the wildcat formation. Who knows, though. We do have other holes to fill, but I have a feeling that Al will try and get him.
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good points. I don’t know how good a WR Vick would make, but he’s got speed. Don’t think he could take the beating a RB has to absorb either. But imagine him, McFadden & Bush in the wildcat, in the same backfield. options galore! I don’t feel sorry for Tui, he was garbage since we drafted him. 3rd string QB’s are easy to replace. It’d be nice to also have a mentor type like Tim Rattay, Trent Green, Brad Johnson or Gus Frerotte though…
January 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Rockstar,
That option would be awesome, but the new coaching staff will have to find a way to disguise that because everytime Vick, Bush and McFad takes the field, the D will know what’s coming. Maybe throw in Russel and have him last second line up as receiver, and hike the ball to Vick…just thinking out loud, sorry. But…that is only if Vick gets out of prision (which he should), and if Al gets him. I agree with you on the mentor type qb, though.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I wonder what coaches from playoff teams Al Davis is waiting to interview besides Kevin Gilbride?
HC candidates: Marty Mornhinweg, Kevin Gilbride, Clarence Shelmon, Bruce Arians, Jeff Davidson, Todd Haley, Mike Heimerdinger, Cam Cameron
OC candidates: Pat Shurmur, Chris Palmer, John Ramsdell, Ken Anderson, Mike McCoy, Jeff Rutledge, Craig Johnson, Hue Jackson
January 8th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Besides, all of them can either run with the ball, or throw it.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:18 am
The only reason I mentioned those guys is because the OC candidates are current QB coaches for playoff teams and the HC candidates are all current OC’s for playoff teams. They might come here for the promotion …
of that list I think I like Haley & Jackson the best.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:20 am
These reports don’t bother me accept for Rathman. He may hurt down the line. He is a future HC in this league.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:24 am
I would Rather lose than have vick,that dog killer
January 8th, 2009 at 7:24 am
I understand that Vick has done wrong as has paid for it, but to you, isn’t that a typical Davis move? I don’t know about you, but I can surely see Vick in Silver and Black. Davis loves to give players a second chance. look at Walker.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:26 am
VICK IS A DOUCHE BAG
January 8th, 2009 at 7:26 am
mods are on their a-game 2day.Must have touched a nerve
January 8th, 2009 at 7:27 am
whatever
January 8th, 2009 at 7:34 am
if you guys want explosive speed,there is this kid Jeff Demps 4 Florida.He is the fastest player 2 ever play at Florida and he is a RB and not a track star.he is a sophmore,if he comes out 4get vick and take Jeff Demps.Watch 4 him 2nite
January 8th, 2009 at 7:38 am
JUST SAY NO TO THE DOG KILLER!
January 8th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Vick is an after thought with Russell taking the next step this season. Maybe in a backup role but thats a big maybe because Vick’s passing ability is nowhere near Russell’s. Vick is Chad Pennington with runningback speed.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Things will not get better in Oakland till Al Davis is out of here,, This owner who once was proud of his accomplishments ought to go hide his head in the sand and be ashamed to call him self an owner any more..This man sits atop this organization and makes the dumbest decisions , and then he wants to blame the coaches and players from within instead if himself,,
I have been a long time Raiders fan, for 40 years and Al wants to piss his fan base off in Oakland so much that his intent is to stab Raiders fans and move them back to LA..Al could care less about loyal Raiders fans, or if the team wins any more,, No owner in their right mind would it back and allow a team to have 6 straight 11 lose seasons in a row , and not be so pissed off that they’d want to hire the best coach out there who could get this team turned around,,No Al davis just keeps doing it his way, well Al it has not worked, and until you are outta of here, the results will continue to be the same on the football field,,
Loyal fan of 40 years
Perry
January 8th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Dakota, 4eva & Keep Cable, Draft Crabtree:
I can understand if you don’t want Vick because his conditioning is bad (2 years removed from football), he might push JaWalrus for the starting job or because he have a greater need for a veteran mentor type backup QB. But to shy away from a player because of dog fighting is plain stupid. It has nothing to do with the game of football. And if you work for PETA, then you’re soft. Go find a game like tennis to watch, not a contact sport. an animal doesn’t have a soul. pets don’t go to heaven/hell. get over it and grow a pair.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
look look son there goes vick a free-man only after 2 years.It MUST be OK 2 mis-treat and kill dogs 4 sport
January 8th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Chad Pennington with runningback speed
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Ennio Morricone. That is WAY too generous of you. He hasn’t played in years. Chad had a pro bowl type season and is probably the most accurate passer in the league. An awesome leader and field general, although oft injured throughout the years. Think the Dolphins could have made the playoffs with Josh McCown or John Beck at QB? no way! I wouldn’t be surprised if they traded John Beck, just like they traded Josh McCown to the Panthers. Chad Henne is probably the backup to Pennington now.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
On Vick, do you really think this guy is going to be good for our team? He’s not gonna want to backup anybody, he’s gonna want a chance to prove he can still be a starter not a mentor.
Hire cable, he took a team that was absolutely horible, that had given up, and got them to win back to back games at the end of the season, a couple meaningless games at the end of the worst season for this franchise in a long time. He had no offseason to run them, no player input, no staff input and went from OL coach to adding HC and OC to his duties. He had to figure at what he had, put them together right and install a new philosophy-all in 13 weeks- and he did. Not to count numerous injuries to key players and a virtual rookie at QB. They even got BLOWN OUT a few times and he still got them playing well when all they had to do was just pickup checks. Give the guy 2 years and lets see what happens. Not saying he’s taking us to superbowl but I think he earned a chance to be HC.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Food for thought about tonights BCS game, the best defense the Sooners have faced this year was TCU (lol), until tonight when they will have to play tackle football again. The Gators have the 9th best defense nationally, 6th in the redzone, 5th in scoring defense, and 2nd in pass efficiency defense.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Brien(Yeeeeeeeeeeee) Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
bhp…………has it been working?
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Blackholepriest Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Yeah, and you’re just a genius……..whew! who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.
All you know is what you’re told and you barely understand that.
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Blackholepriest Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
If wanted to refute it you dumbell you wouldn’t have a clue what the hell the evidence was. Let’s just say you have an opinion what the hell it is I doubt you know. So I’ll let yu discuss this with yourself from here on out. I just can’t muster up the interest.
I’d much rather talk with someone with a thought pattern that’s a little more mature. OK pumpkin
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Yeah, from your prior comments we can really see how “mature” you are BHP. You can’t even answer a legitimate question, lol.
Typical BHP. Comes in here, says he is the only one that knows anything about the Raiders, and then proceeds to circle jerk with his little buddy OG (Calling himself Scoff now, lol).
January 8th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Rockstar I enjoy your comments and youre knowledge of our Raiders and football in general.I guess we butt heads on the vick issue
January 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Dakota you must be thrilled with thr RR news.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Vick hurt his role model status for sure. Lost his house and every endorsement. Lost his job and possibly his career in football. He served his sentence. You think he should rot in jail for the rest of his life for killing some dogs? nobody deserves that, especially if he’s learned his lesson and doesn’t become a repeat offender. Still think you guys need to grow up. Haven’t you made mistakes before? It’s only a matter of time before your wife cheats on you, because it’s obvious you guys don’t have a backbone.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:56 am
I for one can see Vick here ever since that story broke about Vick getting released from prision early. I don’t like what happened and i think that dog fighting is just cruel because I have raised dogs since forever. However, I also do not like Moss because of his me first, quit on the team that pays you attitude, but he is a great player. say what you will about Vick, he was an exciting player that made stupid mistakes. how many of you would want larry johnson? isn’t he a woman beater? Just saying. Have to agree with Rockstar on this one. Dog fighting has nothing to do with football. If he has cleaned up his act, not go near dogs again, and accept that he screwed up in society and concentrate on what made him a star, Vick will probably be a good option anywhere. Like I said in an earlier post, we have other needs that needs to be filled, but I can just see Al paying for him.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I enjoy your comments and youre knowledge of our Raiders and football in general.I guess we butt heads on the vick issue
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Agreed. Same with you 4eva. you’re one of the better posters in here. sorry if I offended you
January 8th, 2009 at 7:59 am
On Vick, do you really think this guy is going to be good for our team? He’s not gonna want to backup anybody, he’s gonna want a chance to prove he can still be a starter not a mentor.
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woj, if he doesn’t accept a backup role, he shouldn’t be signed here. Russell is the future and the face of the franchise. I wouldn’t have him as a mentor type. That’s what the 3rd string QB and QB coach are for imo. The 2nd stringer should be able to play if called upon.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am
#271:
TCU’s D is legit, 2-3 pro prospects. Held Utah to 13 points, while Alabama gave up more than that in about 5 minutes.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Alabama is way overrated.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:04 am
hwnrdr: the cowboys gambled on TO, Tank Johnson & Pacman Jones. They hit on 2 out of 3. not bad. Look at all the crap Brandon Marshall did and only got suspended 1 game. Jared Allen is 1 DUI away from a year long suspension and is the highest paid DE in the NFL. Tommy Kelly got busted. Jarrod Cooper got busted multiple times. Ricky Williams is on his last chance. the list goes on & on …
January 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am
And your trying to tell me TCU has a defense in the same league as Florida’s?
January 8th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Rockstar,
I am far from being a supporter of PETA, but what Vick did to those dogs was cruel and demonstrates an extreme moral deficit. Throw the drug use on top of it all and that is the last thing we need hanging around our young players.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Rockstar its all good ,I just cant STAND 2 see any animal in pain 4 a humans personal gain.No vick should not rot in prison as I believe everyone deserves a 2nd chance,just like Big AL =)
January 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Vick hurt his role model status for sure. Lost his house and every endorsement. Lost his job and possibly his career in football. He served his sentence. You think he should rot in jail for the rest of his life for killing some dogs? nobody deserves that, especially if he’s learned his lesson and doesn’t become a repeat offender. Still think you guys need to grow up. Haven’t you made mistakes before? It’s only a matter of time before your wife cheats on you, because it’s obvious you guys don’t have a backbone.
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Wow, that is fuked up Rockstar. Yeah, women really get turned on when you strangle and drown dogs or support people that do! Maybe women you hang with, lol.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Maybe not in the same league, but they held two top 5 teams (Utah and Oklahoma) to there lowest point total this season. Can’t brush over that.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
No inmates in Pro Football please. The image of the game is already at an all time low.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Al Davis & the Raiders have never shied away from players with checkered pasts, as long as they produce on the field. That has been part of the Raiders mystique and history. Davis gambled again last offseason with Walker & Hall. As we all know he lost big time, especially with the contracts they were offered. Kwame Harris & William Joseph were former 1st rounders we took a chance on. Same with Mike Williams in 2007. Davis is a risk taker, even if some of you are not. The move makes sense and if Vick is released from ATL I think Al Davis will think long & hard about getting him here. Depends on if he’ll come cheap & have other offers. Prison humbles people and I think he’ll be thankful just to play again. He won’t demand to be a starter or ask for $5 million/season.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:11 am
It’s happened again. Last year we needed DL help and what happened the giants upset the pats in large part due to there DL. It drove up the price of DL free agents. Now we want to resign our punter and what happens the chargers punter puts on a show in the playoffs likely driving up the price of premiere punters.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Rockstar:
2 out of 3?? TO is a huge headache and had average numbers, Tank was a backup at the end of the year and won’t be back, and Pacman was Pacman, with a 4.5 avg punt return and zero interceptions.
I call that have 0 out of 3. They even gave up a draft pick for Pacman when the Titans were going to release him anyway and could have gotten him for free.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:14 am
The Gator defense intercepts a pass, on average, every 17 attempts.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Checkered past is one thing, but no inmates please. We don’t want to go there. Families would stop letting their kids watch pro ball. It would be very bad for the $$$ and the game. Letting inmates play is a line you don’t want to cross.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Obama on address on major tv right now
January 8th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Yeah, women really get turned on when you strangle and drown dogs or support people that do! Maybe women you hang with, lol.
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LOL @ Dakota. I live in Missouri. In a town of 300 people. the mayor sent out a letter last month telling everyone to put their dogs on a leash or put a collar on them, because city folks keeping dumping their unwanted animals out in the country and sometimes they turn vicious. bark at people, chase their vehicles, bite children who try to pet them. We’re allowed to “take matters into our own hands”. haha. different world than when I lived in CA in a city of 58,000 people.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Will Vick even be reinstated once he is released? I’d bet the Commish still hammers him with at least a one year suspension.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:17 am
# Dakota Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Typical BHP. Comes in here, says he is the only one that knows anything about the Raiders, and then proceeds to circle jerk with his little buddy OG (Calling himself Scoff now, lol).
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Say ass hole, I haven’t been in here posting for days. The last time of any real substance with Bob Marley and Dell. You on other hand got into it with some troll, and now you are calling someone else me. You are here all day every day, saying nothing of value. Don’t you have a job?? Oh right, you live in Dakota where no one wants to be so you can live on $100 a month. Are you on the dole?? Or do you guard some missile silo in the middle of nowhere for five bucks an hour? And feed your family ALPO brand dog food because you think it’s high class instead of the generic sh**?
I gotta tell you something Dakota. I don’t have time to sit on a blog all day saying absolutely nothing and then throw “your momma is so fat blasts” for another four hours. I have a life. I live in the SF Bay Area. What kind of idiot would do that?? You would. What a fukking loser.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Alrighty then Rockstar…
January 8th, 2009 at 8:18 am
In California people can have abortions. underage teenagers can have them w/o their parents consent. you can kill a child, but if you kill a dog you’re going straight to jail. felony for animal cruelty.
common sense goes out the window with the liberals.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Lets talk about Zoroaster and the invention of the Devil.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Oakglenn’s Revenge Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Say ass hole, I haven’t been in here posting for days. The last time of any real substance with Bob Marley and Dell. You on other hand got into it with some troll, and now you are calling someone else me. You are here all day every day, saying nothing of value.
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Strange how in one sentence you claim not to have been in here for days, yet you seem to know everthing that is happening in the blog…you are full of schit and everyone knows it troll boy.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Lets talk about the Raiders and their coaching search …
January 8th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I just want Davis to hire a Head Coach. Then give that HC the authority to fill out both the offensive & defensive coaching staffs.
HC – Kevin Gilbride
OC – Jeff Jag or Jim Fassel
QB coach – Paul Hackett
wr coach – james lofton
OL/asst HC – Tom Cable
DC – Mike Waufle or Sean McDermott
That would be an awesome coaching staff IMO !!!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Vick hurt his role model status for sure. Lost his house and every endorsement. Lost his job and possibly his career in football. He served his sentence. You think he should rot in jail for the rest of his life for killing some dogs? nobody deserves that, especially if he’s learned his lesson and doesn’t become a repeat offender. Still think you guys need to grow up. Haven’t you made mistakes before? It’s only a matter of time before your wife cheats on you, because it’s obvious you guys don’t have a backbone.
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No thank you to Mr. Vick.
Yes, I have made mistakes before,but I wouldn’t calla prolonged, sustained pattern of animal murder and cruelty for profit and pleasure a “mistake” I’d call it sadistic and disturbing.
Yes, I’m certain PRISON will do alot to heal his questionable moral character. Thats how it usually works.
Let Mr. Vick work the fryolator or join some lame *ss wrestling league and battle Pac Man in a No holds barred cage match.
Loser gets eaten by pit bulls.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:25 am
#295:
Don’t forget that Vick failed a drug test while he was bonded, if he goes for re-instatement that will definately come-up as well.
By the way did I call it last night or what? Warriors kept it close enough, 3 point lead going into the 4th, to lure me in, only to blow it at the end.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Say Ass Hole, read it again. I have not been in here posting for days. I read the comments. Yours I almost always skip over. Obviously, you can’t read well. It’s called reading comprehension. You might want to start. There are adult courses you can take to help your reading and your reading comprehension. It’s called “Reading is FUN damental. It’s designed for 5 years olds. Loser.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Its obvious Cable will be the HC. The curious part is if Lofton will interview or will he force Davis to bring in a minority from outside the organization knowing it would be another token interview.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
And BTW Dakota feeding your family Dog food to save money is not putting “meat on the table.”
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
post 300;BRAVO DAKOTA!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Rathman & Knapp gone. who’s next?
Ryan or Schneider?
what you you think Vegas, Nnamdi21 ?
January 8th, 2009 at 8:29 am
#306:
It would be a huge insult to Lofton to give him the token interview for a third time. Don’t want to do that to someone on your coaching staff, that’s not how you treat your employees.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Oh, so now your story is that your busy bay area life prevents you from posting comments but you have time to sit around reading thousands of comments in the blog?
Nice try troll.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:33 am
The curious part is if Lofton will interview or will he force Davis to bring in a minority from outside the organization knowing it would be another token interview.
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Ennio Morricone: now that Lofton is on the staff, it would be a slap in the face to interview him and deny him again for the sake of the Rooney Rule. Al Davis knows what he has to offer from multiple interviews and from seeing it first hand this season as a part of the staff. Davis should bring in Terry Robiskie or Hue Jackson to meet the requirement if he’s sticking with Cable. Maybe even Romeo Crennel or Leslie Frazier.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Vegas Raider since when does Davis care about how well the employees’ perceive him? Davis has always been a players owner not the other way around.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Wait for it guys, pretty soon Oakglenns Revenge will disappear and a bunch of strange named commentators will show up speaking like they know all of our personalities even though they are “new” and spewing the same senseless BS Oakglenn does.
He really thinks he is fooling people, lol.
What can you expect from the only person MaddenRaider ever broke on this blog?
January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 am
RR lets not be ignorant to the process and what others already think. Lofton might even offer to interview on Davis’s behalf considering his health issues.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Unsure why any team would want knapp, ryan or rathman,…head coaches like to hire the guys they like ot have beers with,..clearly.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Keep Schnieder!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
sure Rathman went to the 9ers. What a freakin traitor man, he didn’t even get a promotion, he just left. God, I hope we keep schneider at least, I couldn’t care less about Knapp’s departure. Why would we let rathman go? Al just didn’t want to give him a new contract or something? If Schneider goes I will really be pissed, our Special teams rockss, I don’t want to lose the coach that built it and runs it. I hope Rob Ryan gets the hell out of town too, but I don’t know who would replace him do you guys? I know Al will make sure it’s a man press defensive scheme though.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Is that it Dakota?? That’s your big response?? That there are lots of people who sound like me?? And MR has somehow broken me??? Even tho 99% of the posts you think are me are actually MR, and I have melted him down on this blog soooo many times and 95% of the time he comes here all he can talk about is me?? Sorry. I got things to do other than talk to you. Go back to your momma so fat blasts.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:39 am
According to Jerry, Cable is quietly preparing for free agency and the draft.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Robiskie was horrible as HC for us long ago & Romeo was horrible in Cleveland. If Harbaugh won’t take the job give it to Cable and let him choose his staff. Now that RR is gone our defense instantly got better. My big concern is the possibility of losing the best special teams coach we have had in the past 20 years. 3 punt returns for TD’s & 2 kickoff returns for TD’s. No other team even close.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:41 am
The Warriors are the Raiders of the NBA (at least the 2003-2008 Raiders).
January 8th, 2009 at 8:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Rathman & Knapp gone. who’s next?
Ryan or Schneider?
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Ryan is already gone.. thank god..
“Browns hired former Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan to fill the same position in Cleveland, according to NFL.com’s Adam Schefter.
Oakland has lost RBs coach Tom Rathman, OC Greg Knapp, and now Ryan, not to mention the assistants Lane Kiffin made off with to college. Buddy’s lesser known son, Ryan’s defenses were dictated by Al Davis in Oakland so we can’t say for sure how they’ll look with the Browns. The Raiders’ 4-3 was awful against the run and used no blitzes. Ryan has experience running the 3-4, however, and will very likely employ that alignment in Cleveland.
Source: NFL.com”
January 8th, 2009 at 8:42 am
James Lofton didn’t have a job before he came here. The Chargers fired him and nobody else tried to hire him as even a WR coach, except us. The only time he’s been interviewed as Head coach is with the Raiders, unless you count Stanford. Lofton is a current WR coach. Any NFL team could interview him as HC. As a serious candidate or just to meet the rooney rule, but nobody has. Lofton can’t be thinking he’s actually got a shot at this and he wouldn’t be self promoting himself to other teams by interviewing as HC with the raiders, because the Raiders already passed on him twice. If you’re not good enough to be a WR coach with the Chargers or a HC with the Raiders, you’re not good enough to be a HC or even OC anywhere else!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Mark,…you can thank Higgins for those td’s,..not some special teams geek…dont be an idiot like the rest of these here in this blog.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Things just keep getting better and better. Good bye Rob Ryan. Big AL take as long as you want and make the right hire. NO HC for any team selects all of the coaching staff. That request is totally unrealistic and not needed. First Big AL has to decide whether he is going to continue with this youth movement crap or is he going to load this team with talented vets and get back to winning now. If Big AL goes the youth route then the Raiders need a coach with an established system and some type of near future plan for success.
If Big AL decides to load the team with talented vets then a coach with prior NFL success and experience would be the best fit.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Bye troll, have a nice day. I’m sure we will be talking to your other names quite soon.
loser.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Lofton not a candidate for hc job, not here or anywhere.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:45 am
thanks for the good news Sac!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Goon,
Do you think Cable should be retained?
January 8th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Al should hire denny green.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Voldemort Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
sure Rathman went to the 9ers. What a freakin traitor man, he didn’t even get a promotion, he just left. God, I hope we keep schneider at least, I couldn’t care less about Knapp’s departure. Why would we let rathman go? Al just didn’t want to give him a new contract or something?
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Rathman left because his contract was up.. He couldn’t wait around until a new coach was hired to see if they’d want to bring him back. He went for the sure thing. Have no hard feelings for him..
January 8th, 2009 at 8:46 am
We play at cleveland next year.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:47 am
RR that has nothing to do with complying with the Rooney rule, Lofton may not give a crap and interview to save Davis the headache.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
I’m not upset that ANY or ALL of these assistants are leaving. I’d like to keep Cable (HC or OL) for the zbs & continuity sake and Brian Schneider for ST, but all the other clowns can walk the plank. The new HC should choose the men to work under him. period.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
4 guys to watch in tonight’s game:
Spikes, LB Florida -could be our first-round pick, great speed, hard-hitter, don’t know if he would be an inside guy.
Loadholt, T OK- Seems to be a guy for the RT spot, hopefully available in 2nd round
Inglesias, WR OK – Great hands, good after the catch, 2nd or 3rd rounder
Murphy, WR Florida – Great speed, seems to be a late first rounder, so might not make it to our second-round pick.
I really want to see how Loadholt does against a quick, physical D-line. The Big 12 has proven to have no D in the bowls so far, so this might be his biggest challenge this year.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Rooney Rule interview
Al: Do you want the job?
Lofton: Yes.
Al: You can’t have it.
Lofton: Okay.
Al: Have a nice day.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
that has nothing to do with complying with the Rooney rule, Lofton may not give a crap and interview to save Davis the headache.
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LOL. I can see James Lofton walking into Al Davis’ office saying “hey Mr. Davis, you want to interview me because i’m black?” LOL
I hope Lofton has more pride in himself than that!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:42 am
James Lofton didn’t have a job before he came here. The Chargers fired him and nobody else tried to hire him as even a WR coach, except us. The only time he’s been interviewed as Head coach is with the Raiders, unless you count Stanford. Lofton is a current WR coach. Any NFL team could interview him as HC. As a serious candidate or just to meet the rooney rule, but nobody has. Lofton can’t be thinking he’s actually got a shot at this and he wouldn’t be self promoting himself to other teams by interviewing as HC with the raiders, because the Raiders already passed on him twice. If you’re not good enough to be a WR coach with the Chargers or a HC with the Raiders, you’re not good enough to be a HC or even OC anywhere else!
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Well the raiders actually hired him like a week after he was fired from the chargers so no other team really had a shot at hiring him.. But completely agree that his place is WR coach and nothing more..
January 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Oh, so now people want the coaching staff? So what Rathman went back to the whiners….great! Who didn’t know Knapp was going to go back to his boy Mora? Not retaining Ryan was huge and I really thought people here would be more happy and excited, but it seems just the opposite.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
RR just because Lofton is a minority does not imply he walks around with a chip of his shoulder.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Man, that would hurt….to walk around with a chip of your shoulder.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
We play at cleveland next year.
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Bob, Rob Ryan won’t have an awesome defense prepared for revenge against us. don’t worry about it. We played the Patriots (his old team) this year and the defense gave up 49 points. We played the Ravens (his brothers team) and the defense gave up 29 points to a rookie QB & rookie HC. We’ll probably beat the Browns 28-3 next season …
January 8th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Knapp and Rob Ryan are addition by subtraction. Rathman seemed like he did a good job, McFadden had fumbling problems in college and Rathman worked exclusively with him on it, and it didn’t rear it’s ugly head this year.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:55 am
To satisfy the Rooney rule, Al will likely interview Denny Green or Willie Brown or Mike Haynes or Ron Rivera or Amy Trask (do women count?).
January 8th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Dakota,
Cable should be retained “if” and only “if” Cable has a plan for success that can be achieved in the near future, say 3 years. If nothing else I’d like to see Big AL retain him as the O-line coach.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:57 am
just because Lofton is a minority does not imply he walks around with a chip of his shoulder.
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I never implied that, but obviously you must have. What does self respect and pride have to do with “walking around with a chip on your shoulder” ?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
cya…will try and be back while at la bou about 1:00.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Goon, I agree that Cable should be retained as o-line coach. I doubt Cable has much of a plan given that he has to have players draw up goal line plays for him during games.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:01 am
RR why would you not interview for a job to satisfy the rooney rule for the man that signs your paychecks from a wheelchair? RR are you a minority or something, I am not quite sure why you keep defending Lofton, saying he would do this and that, and then attacking my post while implying that self respect and pride don’t equate to having a chip on your shoulder.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:02 am
The only plan Cable needs is to draft good o-lineman.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:03 am
After Kiffin was fired and Cable hired I constantly asked Raider fans here to give Cable a chance, the same chance they gave Kiffin. There was so much hate here for Cable. Cable’s a puppet! Cable can’t coach! The team looks worst under Cable; blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Cable did a decent job overall and considering and made a sound case for himself to be considered the Raiders next HC. I wish him luck.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:03 am
bfd
January 8th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Cable not getting job,..Al will hire some youngster we never heard of.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Drafting OL is risky at best. Gallery has finally become a decent olineman, but was nearly a bust. I think our biggest need is at MLB & move Morrison outside. Stopping the run has always been a huge problem so it’s time to get a beast for the middle.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Dakota,
You forget that Cable had to stay within the Kiff/Knapp playbook because of our young, slowly developing QB and rookie RB. I’m sure he has a plan to implement his own offense like he did at UCLA, with his own OC to help him (who that is I can’t imagine). Anyway, a full offseason and camp is the only way we will know how Cable does implementing an NFL offense. He was much better than Kiff and Knapp when calling the plays OUT OF THEIR PLAYBOOK. Give the guy some credit.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Gotta go..cya.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Pacman Jones “I love me some me.”
lol
January 8th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Hey Norco Bob thanks 4 that info!!!I cant wait 2C how we do against the Brown!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I say Cable should be retained as HC as long as he brings in an agressive DC. Sick of seeing our defense sit back and get run over. Build a good young defense like they did in Baltimore a few years ago.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:12 am
You think so Bo? I don’t know about that. I have heard of coaches adding plays or changing plays mid-season. Although young, I would think McFadden could have handled a pitch play like the one he had to draw up for Cable.
And if Cable is planning to scrap the playbook and develop his own, there goes the continuity argument. Why not just hire a legitimate NFL head coach instead?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:12 am
AP Sports Writer Dennis Waszak Jr. in New York contributed to this report:
Mangini has not hired any assistants and plans to meet with the coaches currently under contract with the Browns before making any changes. He has spoken with Crennel about staying with the team, but did not get into specifics about a possible role.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:12 am
post 343 not a chocolate chip =)
January 8th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Or maybe Cable would work well as the OC/Asst. HC, with a defensive-minded HC in the Dungy mold (LeBeau?). I think thats how Al envisioned Art Shell — as a strong leader but not the guy drawing up the Xs and Os. With a real DC and OC instead of Ryan/Walsh, Art could have even succeeded. I sure like how he stood up to Porter’s BS.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Everyone there is hope!!!
Lets all join together and think positive thoughts about RR coaching in Cleveland.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/07/ryan-daboll-expected-to-join-mangini/#comments
I love reading this article!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:20 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJdBL4wE_0
January 8th, 2009 at 9:21 am
We’re f**ked… Staying with the 3-4!!!! Can Mangini at LEAST look at film of the 3-4 his MENTOR put in place the last 4 years here????
Ryan comes of the 4-3 cloth!!!
If he wants to run the 3-4 here, we need AT LEAST 3 new linebackers able to play on day 1 if we want to be anything from a defensive standpoint…
A square peg doesn’t fit into a circular hole!
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Another priceless comment
texasdawg on 01/08/09 at 11:06AM
great, Rob Ryan’s Defense in Oakland was 27th, Cleveland was 26th. ugh…..
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Are some of you guys on the Cleveland blog today.
Jack1961 on 01/08/09 at 11:07AM
unknownrash, outstanding comment about head coaching for dummies, I actually laughed out loud when I read it. As for the new coach, let’s see what he does. Certainly can’t be worse than what we’ve had in the past. I don’t think it would have mattered who was coaching the Jets the last 5 games this year. When your QB throws 9 picks and 2 TDs, your not gonna win. And they still finished 9-7. I would have loved to have finished 9-7. I’m not saying he’s the end all cure all, but he can’t be worse than what we’ve had can he? Hopefully we’ll be pleasantly surprised. Just don’t screw up the draft picks.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by dygs on 01/08/09 at 11:13AM
hey 3-4 haters… pay attention! The Steelers run the 3-4 … Oh, wait, that means Cowher runs the 3-4. Sure you still hate it?
That’s why most fans are idiots.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by CrownRoyal47 on 01/08/09 at 11:14AM
Very impressive, especially inlight of the Romeo era. I like the guy and he is far more intuitive than most of the GM wannabees that post on this site! In the words of Fightin Phil Savage, “**** you, then go root for Buffalo”.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by redbeard1969 on 01/08/09 at 11:19AM
All that matters in the end is if he makes this team a winning team, and can carry it through for years into the future. I don’t care if he was Bill Belichick’s pool boy, or the cabana boy for Bill Parcells … I don’t care if he has a massive chin like Cowher, or a psycho gaze like Shanahan. All I ask is for him to put out a competitive, professional, disciplined team every sunday that can win more games than they lose, and work their way towards the playoffs and super bowl. If he does that, then he is a genius. EVERY coach is a crap-shoot. Look at Joe Gibbs in Washington … he left a winner, came back, and couldn’t recapture the magic … there’s no telling if Marty, or Cowher, or any other retread could recapture the magic. Obviously this year there’s some first-time coaches doing darn good. It’s incredibly hard to predict, so everyone forecasting doom and gloom right now are just a bunch of whiners. Let’s wait and see until he puts his stamp on the team and puts them on the field. Then in retrospect some day we can say if he was a good choice or a bad choice. I’m staying optimistic … hope springs eternal in sports, nowhere as much as it does in Cleveland. Give us a winning team, and we’ll love you forever. Don’t, and we’ll curse your name for eternity. Right now, Mangini hasn’t given us anything yet, so let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and a little time to build the Browns the way he wants. Come on, could he be any worse than Chris Palmer or Butch Davis?
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by brownsaudit on 01/08/09 at 11:19AM
Hey DYGS….
I’m not sure if you’ve watched a browns game in the last 4 years, but WE run the 3-4 also… f*ckin idiot!
WE DON’T HAVE THE PLAYERS ON DEFENSE FOR THE 3-4?????? ROGERS AND THAT’S IT… PAY ATTENTION…
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by KingBrown on 01/08/09 at 11:21AM
“talked to Romeo last night and wants him to stay”
BAD THING to say.
BAD MOVE.
First thing he’s done that I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Romeo proved there is NOTHING he can do to help this team – in a hundred ways.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by LambBone on 01/08/09 at 11:22AM
Mangini smacked it out of the park today. I am really happy with this hire – and happier now that I’ve heard Mangini talk about the Browns.
It won’t be a surprise to me when he does well.
BTW – anybody out there ready to praise Lerner for getting this done so fast. We’re ahead of every other team without a coach and we’re getting ready for free agency and the draft with a staff close to being in place.
I think it’s awesome. Lerner has impressed me ever since Inside the NFL did a piece on him – the only time I’ve ever seen him in front of the cameras. Lerner was talking about the pain he felt growing up watching the drive and the fumble and his desire to bring a winner to Cleveland. He’s the guy I want owning the team – and Mangini is the guy I want coaching.
For those who still don’t like it, the Jets need a few new fans.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by tolen2 on 01/08/09 at 11:23AM
Also 3-4 haters, I believe Ryan was involved with 3-4 in NE. Think he went to 4-3 in Oakland because Al Davis wants a 4-3. Also, Lane Kiffin essentially implied that Ryan never blitzed because Al Davis didn’t like blitzes. So, if Ryan is coaching here, 3-4 should be no suprise.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by LambBone on 01/08/09 at 11:26AM
3-4 – 4-3 whatever. It’s a front 7 – the team needs more better guys in the front seven.
KingBrown – it will be fine if Romeo stays as a coach. A position coach or coordinator is a lot different then head coach. If Mangini wants him – i want him.
In Man-Genius we trust!
(i’m getting the trademark on that)
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by McLovin87 on 01/08/09 at 11:26AM
Anyone think Lerner doesn;t want to be on camera due to the channel 19 fiasco?
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by LambBone on 01/08/09 at 11:29AM
mcLovin87
no
that’s not it at all
he’s shy – period
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by dwgpound55 on 01/08/09 at 11:33AM
You guys are all going crazy over nothing… I think Mangini will be a fine coach for this Browns team. We have Quinn or Anderson (I prefer anderson, but who am i) Braylon, Kellen, JJ, Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison (will be a beast this year, Mangini will play him more bank on it) Joe Thomas. We will either draft a corner (Jenkins, osu) or a linebacker.
We will also run the ball, and then run the ball, and then run the ball because thats what Eric likes. And we should run the ball, I mean Jamal and Jerome together is going to be sweet!
As far as the coaches he brings with him it doesn’t really matter because Mangini will tell them how to run things and they will do it, hence Mangini head coach, the rest assistants. The only thing that matters is that they all get along, and are on the same page. We will rebound next year, and you folks who want to complain now will be hopping on the bandwagon!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by ohioftbblows on 01/08/09 at 11:34AM
BROWNS FANS!!!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by bigbird1954 on 01/08/09 at 11:35AM
WOW what a load of crap. We all knew he was going to be here to coach , but please spare us the BS and just speak the truth ( which would be a first for this organisation). Now how many of you would like to be able to pick your boss, better yet what kind of wuzzy wants to be a figurehead for any coach. Then of course RAC is welcome back, Please Eric tell me your not that okay with the worst defensive group and scheme. These players are more suited for the 4-3 not the 3-4 jumble we used last year. Either get new players more adapt to that scheme or go to the 4-3.
This is not the way to start all this hype the past weeks for what is sure to be years of the same bull and rebuilding merry-go-round with all the build up to success but domed to fail.
OH YEAH WELCOME BACK LOSER>>>>>
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by ohioftbblows on 01/08/09 at 11:38AM
Browns Fans PLEASE WAKE UP.
If you continue to spend money…pay for season tickets…buy browns shirts…jerseys…items..
RANDY will continue to give us crap! He loves the fact that you love them wheather they are good or bad cuz…THEY ARE MY TEAM thick or thin. Give me a break. You think your own boss would say its ok if you dont perform…we will love you anyway.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
If you really want your voices heard stop giving them your money. MONEY TALKS. THEY will wake up if you stop spending!!!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by hotlantadawg on 01/08/09 at 11:39AM
Still getting crumbs off of the Bill Belicheat banquet table long after he has left. Now we are settling for his ball boy! Just great.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by pjm001 on 01/08/09 at 11:39AM
Okay, lets all quit harpin’ about this and get back to supporting the team. Everybody got what they wanted; RAC is gone, Phil Savage is gone, DA will most likely be traded, Mangini wants to run the ball and start BQ. If you dont like the decisions then dont buy tickets, dont watch the games, dont buy the jerseys, etc. For those of you that want the Browns to be exactly like the steelers organization then here is what you do; get off your bar stool, go over to Hopkins and get on a plane headed to pittsburgh or take the 2 hour trip down the pike. Get over your “bromances” with Cower, Marty, Shanahan, Holmgren, Parcels, or whover else does not want to coach in 09.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by jim1130 on 01/08/09 at 11:40AM
Opinions are nice right now, but for me I am simply going to take a “wait and see” approach. This 10-year train wreck has taught me that optimism, at best, should be guarded.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by soupydrek on 01/08/09 at 11:41AM
The 3-4 isn’t the problem on defense, the lack of talent is the problem. They could run a 1-9-1 defense for all I care, as long they have the players to back it up. The 3-4 will be fine if they bring in linebackers who can actually do something.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by adamg1823 on 01/08/09 at 11:42AM
Why don’t we all wait till we PLAY a game…maybe even wait and see who we draft and get as FA’s…they haven’t played a game yet…and the truth is Mangini didn’t play on Sunday’s, his players just like the Browns players are the reason for wins and losses…it is too bad that coaches take the hit, but that is how the game is played…yes RAC was to light on the players, so we need someone who is going to be tough on them, but in the end we need to wait till the season starts to see what he and the new GM puts on the field.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by TDML on 01/08/09 at 11:42AM
Does anyone know if this full press conference is going to go on clevelandbrowns.com? I imagine it would.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by fuzzymunky4 on 01/08/09 at 11:43AM
ESPN is reporting that Heckert has withdrawn himself from the GM search. One of the reasons that he cited was that he would not have a voice in who the head coach would be. That tells me that the Browns already have a “deal” with Kokinis and that the Ravens are not going to mess with it.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by godlesstwerp on 01/08/09 at 11:44AM
Well Mangina, I didn’t want ya but guess we’re stuck wif ya…….sometimes I feel the head coach has 5% influence on the season…if the players don’t play or have the talent, whats the use anyway? (didja immediately think of Crybaby Favre completely screwing up the last 5 Jets games?)
You’re actually onlt there to accept the blame for the losses and praise the players when we win.
The HC/CG (thats head coach/scapegoat)
The negative people, myself included, are frustrated with the lack of championships here in Cleveland, and especially the lame play of the Browns. And of course some of the dopes posting here are wrapped up in only beating the pissburg stilirs (go 3-13 but beat the stilirs twice and its a great season).
Deep down we all know that if you have talented agressive players like the Ravens, for example, the head coach could be Gilbert Gottfried and they’d still be winners. By the way, just who IS the Ravens coach? Gotcha!!!!!
Heres my advice to you:
If any millionaire can’t catch passes, blow him outta here.
If any millionaire doesn’t hustle 100% of the time, blow him outta here.
If any millionaire has the “I’m just here for my check” attitude, blow him outta here.
Simple, isn’t it?
And last but not least, you are a Clevelander and worked for the Browns, so you know about the rabid
fans around here that have waited for generations for a Superbowl ring, us diehards who live and breathe Brown and Orange and last but not least the good ol’ tailgaters. Give us something to cheer for and a winner winner just once and you will be voted the greatest Clevelander that ever lived.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by lbjstays2010 on 01/08/09 at 11:46AM
New coach, new coordinators. It’s an exciting time to be a Browns fan. This team will be completely different in September 2009 as it was in September 2008. I’m not sure if that will lead to more wins, but I’m curious to find out.
Go Browns!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by Bluto1999 on 01/08/09 at 11:47AM
There’s an interesting article at Fox.com regarding the hiring of Mangini. The writer seems to have a good feel for what the Browns fans have been through. In short, he thinks this is a bad move by the Browns, says the word around the league is that Mangini doesn’t get along well with players or coaches. Read it for yourself and draw your own conclusion.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by mcbrowns on 01/08/09 at 11:48AM
This is more crap being shoved down the BEST fans in the NFL! I didn’t know that Romeo and Manginin could have the same parents – they are essentially the same. I AM DONE! 4 PSL’s in section 514 for sale to the highest bidder. Not one mention of SUPER BOWL?! I don’t care what these players do on their own time – I want a WINNER – we deserve it!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by BREAL19 on 01/08/09 at 11:51AM
Browns and Raiders defenses are ranked so low b/c they are always on the field, last year our offense didn’t go 3 and out everytime they stepped on the field. This will be a good situation with Ryan, considering he will be going up against his brother twice a year in Baltimore, provinding he dosen’t get a head coaching job. I can’t wait until the draft we may actually get some guys that the coach and GM want, and not just the GM. So glad savage is gone. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!!!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by Blanton on 01/08/09 at 11:54AM
Seems like a nice enough fella. Got a quirky grin though.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by KingBrown on 01/08/09 at 11:56AM
As the head of the Red Leg force said in Josey Wales (that would be a famous Eastwood movie for all you Steeler fans on the site):
“I don’t wanna hear Wales dead, I wanna SEE Wales dead.”
An analogy can be drawn with Crennel and Anderson:
I don’t wanna hear Romeo and DA gone, I wanna SEE Romeo and DA gone.
There was too much damage done by both. New era needs to begin, without the deadweight. I’m behind this new guy, even though I don’t think he can do the job. He needs to make the moves soon that shows he has NOTHING to do with the failures of 2008, one of our most disgusting years.
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by farinan1 on 01/08/09 at 11:59AM
The Browns are a flat-out embarrassment.
This franchise is and has been in totally disarray.
Anyone that continues to blindly follow (not to mention contribute money) to this garbage organization is an absolute fool.
Sincerely,
A 20-year season ticket holder
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by OHWoofWoof on 01/08/09 at 12:00PM
pjm…AMEN! I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with my brother saying the exact same things. I swear to God. It’s like I posted that. Who else was out there that would be better? No one on these blogs wanted a rookie HC – McDaniels and Spags, out. No one on these blogs wanted a college HC – Ferentz, out.
I read a 100 times how we should wait for Pioli and Parcells to come to Cleveland. LMAO! First of all Parcells won’t go anywhere Pioli is cause that’s his son-in-law. Second, Parcells has a cushy job in South Florida and his team just had the comeback player of the year and was the comeback team of the year. WhyTF would he want to come here where the dead fish stink the city up to high heaven when the winter thaw happens to head up a team whose “fans” think they know more than he does. Third – WhyTF would Pioli leave his job in New England to work under his father-in-law who would get all the credit for the turn-around. Cowher said no. Holmgren said no. Shanahan said, “I’m going on vacation.” In other words – F you and H**l no.
Who the f**k else was he supposed to interview and hire? Maybe BC was really gonna change his mind. Maybe I could be the next starting MLB for the Browns too.
For crying out loud. I’m more pissed at the “fans” of this team than the owner, the coaches or the players. Shut the h**l up and let’s see what happens. If Randy Lerner took Mangini over Cowher then I would have been pissed. What else was he supposed to do? If you’re so disgusted, then you can join PS and RAC and Chud and Mel and the rest of the front runners and find another team. You’re probably the people who leave the stadium in the 3rd quarter anyway so just keep it movin’.
If I was Eric Mangini I would NEVER read the Plain Dealer or any of these blogs. After his interview I started seeing comments about how fat he is. Well, Parcells and Holmgren aren’t exactly a size 8 and know one cares.
I watched an undisciplined, un-focused, lackluster football team for 20 games this year. I hear Mangini calls his players out. I hear he doesn’t talk to the media. I hear he’s an SOB to work for. Please, God let all of that be true.
Many of the “fans” have been calling for Floyd Reese to be interviewed for the GM job because he is smart, savvy and has lots of exec experience. He reportedly signed off on this hiring and said it was a good choice. He didn’t understand why Mangini was fired from the Jets. So, let me guess, now you all think Reese is an idiot too, right?
One more thing…maybe everyone here is just pissed cause Randy Lerner didn’t read all these posts and see the error of his ways and interview some of you with your stellar coaching experience and football knowledge. Gee, I wonder why he didn’t think of that?
Woof!Woof! Here We Go Brownies…
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by tspags on 01/08/09 at 12:02PM
I got that great Browns feeling again just listening to him. Having a guy that understands what this team means to this town is so key. We have not had that since Sam! I’m drinking the koolaid so far! Go MANGENIUS! GO BROWNS!!!!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by yablaka on 01/08/09 at 12:04PM
CRAP!
Inappropriate? Alert us. Post a commentPosted by jrg1263 on 01/08/09 at 12:04PM
None of the proven coaches were beating down the door to be with the Browns. He wants to be in Cleveland and he has to have something for Floyd Reese a respected former GM to be saying he would be his first choice of
I think Crennel may have blew the season in order to get rid of Savage! He gets paid, his buddy gets a job with the organization – THAT HE WANTED TO COME TO ANYWAY! He (Romeo) stays on in some capacity!!!!! If there is one thing about that Belicheck/Parcell tree, they stick together! Kind of like the Bill Walsh tree!
The thing I dig about this fella, he “UNDERSTANDS” the passion. I think Crennel did, but that is Joe Cool and he has a “it is, what it is” attitude.
Mangini is young and psyched to be here!
We are blessed to have a guy, that “WANTS” to be here!
We have been beaten up so badly this last 9 years, it got to turn around sooner or later – we just had to weather the storm! The 9 year storm! Hopefully it is over!!!!!
Now on to the draft!!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Dakota,
For a 09 offense I expect Cable would stick with most of what worked since November and keep the terminology, but also continue to develop Russell…some audibles, no-huddle, and more creativity with DMAC. Continuity should mean keeping the ZBS and playbook terminology, but adding plays and schemes that the youngsters can handle. A whole new offense basically means Russell is a rookie again.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hey Cleveland Brown fan. Get ready to be run over & over & over & over. Also, you guys just saw your last blitz. Thanks so much Mangini. The Raiders will no longer have the worst run defense.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Anyone can be good as a guard!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Linebackers coach Don Martindale, defensive line coach Keith Millard and defensive backs coach Darren Perry haven’t taken new jobs yet.
Neither have Tight ends coach Kelly Skipper or quarterbacks coach John DeFillipo.
I hope they do soon!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Good points Bo.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I wanna know more about the Cable and Davis conversation!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Rockstar,
You don’t like Martindale? He could very well be our next DC. And you forgot Willie Brown.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Where is that wanna be hard core mexican Jaun Pablo Valdez ese?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Willie Brown will always be a Raider. He’s on scholarship with Hackett & Lofton, which may not be a bad thing …
Martindale is another Rob Ryan imo. We can do better
January 8th, 2009 at 9:43 am
At least somebody wants the job here!
Cable, Fassel or Gilbride can’t be any worse than Turner, Shell or Kiffin!
plus none of them will have the “luxury” of Rob Ryan at DC. haha
January 8th, 2009 at 9:45 am
WE MUST NOT LET BRIAN SCHNEIDER GO. Our special teams have been great with him.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:46 am
What I have heard on Bay area radio this morning is Cable met with Al yesterday and has not officially met with anyone else yet. I guess now it’s possible he already met with Lofton to satisfy the “Rooney Rule” & could announce Cable as HC at anytime. Just as long as Rob Ryan stays in Cleveland I will be happy.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
If we don’t hang thirty points on Rob in Cleveland this year it will be a huge disappointment.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
FUK ROB RYAN.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am
RF365 floated the idea of Fassel as HC with Cable as OC… could do worse.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I wonder what Nnamdi Asomugha & Shane Lechler think about Tom Cable? would they be willing to return if he returns as Head Coach? We know that Russell, Fargas and Green have publicly backed him and said he should return next season. You know that these are 2 players Davis does not want to lose. You think maybe he’s met with them about it? He is, after all, a players owner. Loyal to players over coaches.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am
#382:
I could roll with that. Seems a lot better than Kiffen/Knapp or Cable/nobody.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am
If we don’t hang thirty points on Rob in Cleveland this year it will be a huge disappointment.
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no kidding. Wouldn’t it be something if the Raiders had a Top 10 defense next season with no major roster upgrades on that side of the ball? Al Davis would REALLY have some explaining to do then!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Anything is better than Sniffin Kiffin. Dude was a fukn puzzy gringo.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Every coaching job in the NFL is a stepping stone. This is the NFL every coach knows that they may be on the move. Thats the natue of the beast.
As one Coach told me, the NFL stands for Not For Long.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Rockstar,
I bet Nnamdi is much more interested in our new DC. Hell, just losing Ryan could be enough to sway Nnamdi to stay. Also, I wonder if Lechler is tight with Schneider, who WE HAD BETTER KEEP. I doubt any new coach would mind being told he has to keep Schneider.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am
no kidding. Wouldn’t it be something if the Raiders had a Top 10 defense next season with no major roster upgrades on that side of the ball? Al Davis would REALLY have some explaining to do then!
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Wouldn’t it be something? Dude, it will be something. Rob Ryan is a fuking tool job.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:56 am
There is no way in hell that Nnamdi and Lechler will stay in Oakland now. We need a new HC, OC, DC, a GM and a whole bunch of other stuff. Why would Nnamdi or Lechler stay in a messed up organization when he can easily go play for a contender right now?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:58 am
whoever the OC is should be the playcaller. If it was HC Cable & OC Fassel, I would worry that Cable would take over the play calling if we struggled for the first 3 games, like he did with Knapp. I think Fassel might have a vanilla offense, like Knapp did too. Cable likes to take chances. He has wrinkles he likes to implement. I would hate to seem him as OC & OL coach though. Who would coach the o-line? They didn’t do so well under James Cregg or whoever. I think Fassel would manage the team better as Head Coach. I wonder what OL coach would come in here to run the zbs if Cable was OC? and what RB coach?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
We should all be celebrating. Horrible OC & DC GONE & a whiner went back to whinerland. Whoever Al decides to hire will be better than those idiots. The priority right now should taking care of Nnamdi & Lechler & then deciding on the right HC who will get us to the playoffs next season.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I bet Nnamdi is much more interested in our new DC. Hell, just losing Ryan could be enough to sway Nnamdi to stay. Also, I wonder if Lechler is tight with Schneider, who WE HAD BETTER KEEP. I doubt any new coach would mind being told he has to keep Schneider.
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Agreed. good points BSJ. A defense that brings pressure and forces QB to make mistake or get the ball out quickly means more chances for him to get some INT’s. Lechler might stay if we offer him a fat contract. He’s already made the Pro Bowl 4 times as a member of this team and he’s great friends with Jano.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I think Mike Waufle or Sean McDermott should be our DC..
January 8th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Wishbone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
We should all be celebrating. Horrible OC & DC GONE & a whiner went back to whinerland. Whoever Al decides to hire will be better than those idiots. The priority right now should taking care of Nnamdi & Lechler & then deciding on the right HC who will get us to the playoffs next season.
^ Rathman is a good coach…
January 8th, 2009 at 10:06 am
RaiderTay Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Every coaching job in the NFL is a stepping stone. This is the NFL every coach knows that they may be on the move. Thats the natue of the beast.
As one Coach told me, the NFL stands for Not For Long.
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No NFL coach told you sh1t you fukking poser. You are exposed b1tch.
You heard that sh1t on NFL Football Follies. Jerry Glanville was head coach of the Falcons and he said that to a ref when he made a bad call ” The NFL stands for, Not For Long, when you make calls like that”.
You fukkin poser.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Why would Nnamdi or Lechler stay in a messed up organization when he can easily go play for a contender right now?
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the pay is good. friends with the players. like tom cable. respect al davis & the raiders tradition. enjoy living in or around oakland. look forward to the challenge of turning the corner with this team. they know davis won’t live forever! haha
January 8th, 2009 at 10:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 9:53 am
If we don’t hang thirty points on Rob in Cleveland this year it will be a huge disappointment.
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no kidding. Wouldn’t it be something if the Raiders had a Top 10 defense next season with no major roster upgrades on that side of the ball? Al Davis would REALLY have some explaining to do then!
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What would really be something is if our defense sucked and didn’t blitz at all again even with a new DC. The Al would really have some explaining to do..
January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Pretty soon Davis will be able to use drones and their will be no need for coaches.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:10 am
RaiderTay is a fukking poser.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Davis has already cloned himself to insure the organization has continuity at the top. By the time Davis dies his clone will be in position to take over.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I bet Cable has a better OL coach candidate in mind than Cregg, especially now that they may dump the ZBS in Denver.
I feel Cable needs to stay as HC or OC. If OC, call the plays, and let Fassel or Billick become the team leader, pick the DC and focus on teaching our defense how to attack and dominate.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am
4 guys to watch in tonight’s game:
Spikes, LB Florida -could be our first-round pick, great speed, hard-hitter, don’t know if he would be an inside guy.
Loadholt, T OK- Seems to be a guy for the RT spot, hopefully available in 2nd round
Inglesias, WR OK – Great hands, good after the catch, 2nd or 3rd rounder
Murphy, WR Florida – Great speed, seems to be a late first rounder, so might not make it to our second-round pick.
I really want to see how Loadholt does against a quick, physical D-line. The Big 12 has proven to have no D in the bowls so far, so this might be his biggest challenge this year.
^ Another player to watch is Duke Robinson.
I will be scouting Spikes big time though.
He will be a MLB in the NFL I believe.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Davis has already cloned himself to insure the organization has continuity at the top. By the time Davis dies his clone will be in position to take over.
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How do you know the clone already hasn’t taken over?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Pretty soon Davis will be able to use drones and their will be no need for coaches.
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Cyborgs, not drones. Drones aren’t capable of processing thought. Cyborgs can process though, and adapt to their environment and/or situation. Such as the ability to read a blitz, and adapt to the read.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Davis had the entire season to work out the salary cap and figure out what it would take to keep asomugha & lechler in Oakland. he knew they were going to be free agents. they just couldn’t SIGN a contract until after the season. The season ended over 10 days ago and we still don’t have a Head Coach. We haven’t resigned any players.
I wonder if a contract has been offered to these players? The Raiders are good at keeping things under wraps, so we wouldn’t know. Before we slap the tag on Nnamdi, i’d like to make him a offer on a long term deal first. Players think it’s an insult to be tagged. If he refuses and says he wants to play elsewhere, tag & trade him. Lechler should be offered a deal to make him the highest paid punter in the league. If he refuses, at least we tried.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:14 am
El Vato, Davis will use the drones the coach the team through headsets in all the players helmets.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:14 am
RaiderTay, come on man, what other bullsh1t can you spew out today? Fukkin poser.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Now a cyborg replica of Davis is another thought.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Of course Rathman was going to jmp at the chance to be with the Niners. The guy bleeds red and gold. The Raiders wouldnt have been able to retain him regardless of who the coach was.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I wonder if we could hook JaMarcus Russell up to one of those machines that the Russian used in that Rocky movie?
Improve his conditioning, footwork, ball security, etc …
January 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am
They can use the transition tag on Shane I think.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I wonder if a contract has been offered to these players? The Raiders are good at keeping things under wraps, so we wouldn’t know. Before we slap the tag on Nnamdi, i’d like to make him a offer on a long term deal first. Players think it’s an insult to be tagged. If he refuses and says he wants to play elsewhere, tag & trade him. Lechler should be offered a deal to make him the highest paid punter in the league. If he refuses, at least we tried.
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We are at a crucial juncture in Raider Nation land. We MUST re-sign Nam and Hannibal Lechler. Letting either of these two go would be drastic. Lechler has been taken for granted because we haven’t been in any playoff games where punting is crucial. (It is in all games,but the playoffs especially)
Hence Scifers, he was clutch in that game.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Russell needs a good liposuction before the season starts.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
RaiderTay Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Of course Rathman was going to jmp at the chance to be with the Niners. The guy bleeds red and gold. The Raiders wouldnt have been able to retain him regardless of who the coach was.
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Did an “NFL Coach” tell you that, or did you have a conversation with Rathman himself?
Fukkin poser.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Knight;
Mayock (NFL Network) was breaking down Loadholt and didn’t give him high grades – especially against speed rushers. Mayock gave him a 4th-5th rd grade.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Vato,
A guy that comes into my Barbershop is a Raider assistant. I dont have any reason to lie. Maybe he heard it there. Who gives a sh!t who said it first.
Get a life you clown.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I am leaning this way so far:
HC Billick
OC Cable
DC Waufle
STC Schneider
Keep Brown, and maybe Martindale or Millard, and even DeFilippo if Cable likes him.
From the Giants site: Waufle was at UCLA and then Cal (coached Regan Upshaw) before spending 6 seasons in Oakland. He also has grown kids in Cali. Another funny coincidence: “The Waufles live in Oakland, N.J.”
SHOW HIM THE MONEY AL.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Darkknight:
Seems like guards don’t get taken in the first round a lot, but they say he is at the top of the class. Could use a RG and I will be watching how he does. Plus he is a nephew of Smokey Robinson, so that’s pretty cool.
I really like Spikes, seems a little smallish now for MLB, but he will obviously develop a little in size, and he is everywhere on the field, good instincts.
Every-time I watch Oklahoma, that Inglesias kid makes plays. Probably won’t be a “workout warrior” , but we need a polished football WR, not a combine guy.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
clone??? I love clones =)
January 8th, 2009 at 10:29 am
RaiderTay Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Vato,
A guy that comes into my Barbershop is a Raider assistant. I dont have any reason to lie. Maybe he heard it there. Who gives a sh!t who said it first.
Get a life you clown.
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Yeah mang. As if we believe you now bro. You cut hair? nice…..
And I own a tan salon, and an assistance comes in, and he’s like, my girlfriends, little sissters, boyfriends, cousins, friend, told his next door neighbors uncle that Al Daivs said Lane Kiffin is a dork.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
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January 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I don’t think there is much of a chance that Nnamdi and Lechler will stay in Oakland now. We need a new HC, OC, DC, a GM and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Why would Nnamdi or Lechler stay in a messed up organization when they can easily go play for a contender right now?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
El Vato
You little posing troll, is this the troll formerly known as Brien? You little wannabe pootbutt.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
It kinda makes sense to what NORaider mentioned the other day in regards to Gilbride probably being hired as the next HC. Especially since some of the assistants were allowed to leave before their contracts were up.
If they talked it would make sense that the old man would want to know who Gilbride would bring from the coaching staff in NY if he was hired and and he also wanted to see if Gilbride would keep Cable as his assistant head coach/O-Line coach. Cable would also help Gilbride with the evaluation of the team, since Cable would know. Gilbride supposedly would accept Cable as his assistant head coach/O-Line coach.
NO Raider suggested that Gilbride will try and bring one of the position coaches from the defense if he is hired as HC. Most likely Mike Waufle IMO. He is the D-Line coach who was also the D-Line coach for the Raiders during the Gruden years I believe.
Hence why the old man has let most of the assistant coaches leave BEFORE there contract is up next week. Rathman (unfortunately) going to Niners, Knapp (predictably) left to Seattle and Rob Ryan (thank god) is going to be hired on by Mangini in Cleveland as his DC. The special teams coach Brien Schneider is interviewing in J-Ville and may interview in Seattle. I would have liked to see Rathman and Schneider stick around along with Cable but oh well.
We’ll see if this all plays out…but some of it does make sense, otherwise why would the old man let other coaches walk away BEFORE their contracts were up?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:40 am
RAJ ALL DAY Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I don’t think there is much of a chance that Nnamdi and Lechler will stay in Oakland now. We need a new HC, OC, DC, a GM and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Why would Nnamdi or Lechler stay in a messed up organization when they can easily go play for a contender right now?
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You doom and gloom predicting jerk off hater.
Why wouldn’t they stay? They have been here for a while now, and obviously a new start for the Raiders is at hand.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
El Vato
You little posing troll, is this the troll formerly known as Brien? You little wannabe pootbutt.
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Fuk off MR. Nobody gives a sh1t about you.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am
It must be Kevin Gilbride. Typical Al Davis. Just like the Larry Brown signing.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:47 am
El Vato troll
Are you King of the Trolls? I’ve been informed that there is such a thing?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:48 am
WHY WOULD THEY STAY??? WHY WOULD THEY STAY??? I’LL TELL YOU WHY THEY “WILL” STAY… WE ON THE VERGE OF SOMETHING GREAT,GREAT I SAY =)
January 8th, 2009 at 10:48 am
DARK KNIGHT #425 … NO Raider’s post was pretty awesome. nice job connecting the dots guys
“otherwise why would the old man let other coaches walk away BEFORE their contracts were up?”
well. Knapp & Rathman were brought in by Kiffin. So was Mark Jackson, who was also allowed to leave early (with pay). Davis was probably tired of losing with Ryan. Either that of Davis tried to retain him and Ryan bolted in spite of his request. According to Kiffin, Ryan wanted out LAST offseason, so that wouldn’t be a surprise.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:47 am
El Vato troll
Are you King of the Trolls? I’ve been informed that there is such a thing?
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Fuk off MR. Go back to bed little boy.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Vato
You another of the trolls who hallucinates constantly about MR?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Kool, Just ignore the trolls
January 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am
You guys belly ache about the coaching changes. Some of the more ignorant posters in here say, no good coaches are ever going to come here. Well, our offensive coordinator, running backs coach and DC all got signed to other pro teams in what did Ryan say, 10 minutes? Where is the 49er OC right now?? Exactly. Still waiting for his phone to wring.
If any of you really understood Davis you would realize he is going to wait til after the Super Bowl or maybe just before and try to grab some coaching upgrades from the remaining 2-3 teams left standing. That’s what he does. Wouldn’t you want coaches that are on winning teams and from winning programs?? Now, they may not happen this year, but that’s what he does. But, you know, the entire Detroit Lions staff is available for interview right now!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:53 am
On Trolls, I think S.L. Jackson says it best:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f175/bustacaptx/trolls.jpg
January 8th, 2009 at 10:55 am
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Vato
You another of the trolls who hallucinates constantly about MR?
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Fuk off MR.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Ok.
Over and over again, Al Davis thinks if he can snag someone off a Super Bowl team, they’ll bring winning to his dysfunctional franchise.
Over and over that strategy fails.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The ticker on ESPN News made it sound like Davis is going to hire Cable. I only got a chance to glance at it, so I can’t give you the direct quote. And, there is nothing about it on ESPN.com. Maybe they’re just elaborating on the Cable interview story. Did anyone else see this?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am
=)
January 8th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Dakota,
Would you be happy with Billick as HC?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:58 am
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Ok.
Over and over again, Al Davis thinks if he can snag someone off a Super Bowl team, they’ll bring winning to his dysfunctional franchise.
Over and over that strategy fails.
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Over and over your Al Davis love affair just over and over proves that you are over and over MR.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Before some of you guys completely knock Gilbride from the he would or wouldn’t be a good HC debate, he is still very good with quarterbacks, probably the best in the league right now. Good read about why NY won it all last year even before they game was played.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/game-previews/2008/super-bowl-xlii-preview
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am
#438:
Hence the Jeff Hosteleter experiment, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Gibril Wilson….I’m sure I left off a bunch.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Hubbard—I work here in the East Bay and listen to the radio all day long at work. Nothing has been said yet about Cable other than he had a nice long talk with Al. If Al does hire him I’m sure they will announce it.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Dakota,
Would you be happy with Billick as HC?
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Billick stated on either Rome or Dan Patrick he wouldn’t coniser coaching the Raiders. He said him and Al Davis just wouldn’t work. Or something similar to that.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:00 am
How many Super Bowl MVP’s has Davis signed as FA’s ?
Did any of them make a difference for the Raiders?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:00 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am
#438:
Hence the Jeff Hosteleter experiment, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, Gibril Wilson….I’m sure I left off a bunch.
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Wait bro, the “Jeff Hostetler experiment” wasn’t that bad. Hos was a good Raider, and he had some great games. He just couldn’t stay healthy.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Vegas—Come on now don’t put Hoss in the same boat as Howard or Brown. Jury still out on Gabril Wilson.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Thanks Vegas #444
Now it’s Gilbride’s turn. I think.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Brian Billick was supposed to be an offensive genious, but his Ravens offense stunk every season. The Defense won them the Super Bowl in 2000. Everybody knows that. Cam Cameron’s offense this year looks like a juggernaut compared to that crap Billick had on the field. Even with a rookie HC & QB …
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Gilbride was sabotaged by Bethard in SD because he was forced to play Ryan Leaf.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
There’s nothing wrong with hiring a proven winner. Hopefully Big AL is waiting to snag a successful coach off of a Super Bowl team. That would be fantastic. Take your time Big AL. No need to rush.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Hoss was straddled with the Shell/Walsh offense. I just remember he didn’t live up to the expectations.
I like Gibril Wilson, but he didn’t turn the culture around. In fact he punched a guy in his second game here, and got thrown out.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Any long time Davis watcher knows his patterns by heart.
Yet he’ll bring Gilbride in at Midnight for an interview to avoid any publicity, crazy.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 10:48 am
DARK KNIGHT #425 … NO Raider’s post was pretty awesome. nice job connecting the dots guys
“otherwise why would the old man let other coaches walk away BEFORE their contracts were up?”
well. Knapp & Rathman were brought in by Kiffin. So was Mark Jackson, who was also allowed to leave early (with pay). Davis was probably tired of losing with Ryan. Either that of Davis tried to retain him and Ryan bolted in spite of his request. According to Kiffin, Ryan wanted out LAST offseason, so that wouldn’t be a surprise.
^Yeah, I’m not a big Gilbride as HC fan, but he does do well with teaching QB’s and the G-Men do run a zone/slash power blocking scheme. Cable would work just fine as Gilbrides assistant and O line guy. The old man has already probably told Cable that he will be the assistant head coach or head coach and either way he will see a pay raise, thats why Cable is not being allowed to jump ship compared to the others and why would he if he is been already possibly guaranteed a pay hike along with a possible promotion.
The old man has probably already told the other coaches he allowed to leave early what the plan is after he spoke to Gilbride over the phone.
Waufle would be SOLID hire as DC and I’m sure he learned alot from Spags over in NY on how to run an aggressive 4-3 that utilizes and mixes up blitz packages, disguises coverages and can maintain gap control and discipline.
Say what you want, but the G-Men have had a successful system in place over there offensively and defensively and have done well in a tough division.
The key is for the Raiders to follow the G-Mens road map of drafting the last 3 years.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Bo,
Billick? My gut says no way. His offensive stats from Baltimore are horrible, but he was supposedly great with Moss and Co. in Minn. He didn’t have much to work with at QB in Baltimore, so maybe his offensive stats in Oakland would be better? However, I don’t think he is much of a QB tutor, at least he sure didn’t help any of the Baltimore QBs. I seriously doubt he would work well with Al. Billick’s and Al’s egos wouldn’t fit in the same building.
I’d have to say no to Billick.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Brian Billick was supposed to be an offensive genious, but his Ravens offense stunk every season. The Defense won them the Super Bowl in 2000. Everybody knows that. Cam Cameron’s offense this year looks like a juggernaut compared to that crap Billick had on the field. Even with a rookie HC & QB …
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Agreed. Billicks offenses routinely sucked. And he always made the excuse he didn’t have a QB. He even had good RB’s in Priest Holmes and Jamal Lewis.
Cable would be better than Billick.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:08 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Hoss was straddled with the Shell/Walsh offense. I just remember he didn’t live up to the expectations.
I like Gibril Wilson, but he didn’t turn the culture around. In fact he punched a guy in his second game here, and got thrown out.
^ I remember that. That was horrible. Then Hoss was nails as soon as Art was fired and Mike White was hired and allowed to run a more West Coast style offense which suited Hoss perfectly.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
sup Nation?
4eva you ditching work again?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Robiskie was the OC for Hoss until the 94 disaster with Walsh.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
KK,
Doesn’t Al usually snag players from Super Bowl teams, not coaches? Ryan is the only one I recall recently.
You gotta admit Gibril Wilson was a good pickup.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Hoss was straddled with the Shell/Walsh offense. I just remember he didn’t live up to the expectations.
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Agree to disagree I guess. I remember and witnessed several games in which Hoss was fantastic.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Hoss’s best years were with Robiskie.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Wilson is the best safety that the Raiders have had since Rod Woodson. There’s nothing “bust” about G.Wilson.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Billick would be a TERRIBLE choice….
January 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Hoss was the man!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Who is this “supposed” raider fan who is calling Wilson a bust?
Wilson was our best defender next to Namdi.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I hear Rob Ryan’s first move in Cleveland is to bring in Lil Stui and make him the starting SS.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:15 am
468. darkknight01 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Who is this “supposed” raider fan who is calling Wilson a bust?
Wilson was our best defender next to Namdi.
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hold up.. Although Wilson is by no means a bust the dude isnt all that great in coverage.. IMO
January 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Wishbone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I hear Rob Ryan’s first move in Cleveland is to bring in Lil Stui and make him the starting SS.
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LMFAO. Funny thing, that comment is probably true.
I wouldn’t be surprise though if he makes a run and Nnamdi.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Wilson wasn’t perfect, but he sure was better than anything we have seen at safety since Woodson. I’d give the Wilson signing a B+ (got burned a few times early in the season, but that may have been more of a D-Hall problem, and he has a bit of a mouth).
Al gets props for the Wilson signing for sure.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
dark knight: what if Kevin Gilbride wanted to bring in Chris Palmer, Jerald Ingram, Pat Flaherty or Dave DeGuglielmo as OC or OL coach? Think Al Davis would scrap Cable at Gilbride’s request?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Bo #462
Yeah, mostly players, but he snagged Rob Ryan from the Pats.
Whatever, he seems to think somebody from a Super Bowl team is going to change things in Oakland.
It might, if he excused himself from meddling.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Im gonna be pissed if RoBo blows up in Cleveland..
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Vato;
I agree with you…Hoss was the Raiders best QB after Plunkett, until Gannon came along. Hoss took us to a AFC Championship game against Buffalo.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
RR plans to give Detroit a #1 draft pick for Lil Stui. Then bring Sapp out of retirement and sign Pac Man.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am
On another note, Rod Woodson is coaching his son in HS in Dublin with John Parella…I wonder if Rod has coaching aspirations. Especially if Aso leaves, we could use some mature influences on our secondary. I have no idea if Woodson can coach, but when we signed him our whole secondary played better.
I think he is on record as criticizing our vanilla coverages, though (which makes me like him even more).
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Vato—Schroeder was QB in that game. You must be thinking of the Divisional game against Buffalo after beating Denver at home. Hoss was the QB then.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
808raidah Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Vato;
I agree with you…Hoss was the Raiders best QB after Plunkett, until Gannon came along. Hoss took us to a AFC Championship game against Buffalo.
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That game against Buffalo was a heart breaker. I was always dissapointed Howie’s last game was marred by a game losing off sides penalty.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Although Wilson is by no means a bust the dude isnt all that great in coverage.. IMO
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Agreed. Wilson was brought in to be a hitter. A 100 tackles per season guy, good in run support. loves to play in the box. Basically – the anti Schweigert. This is why he plays SS, not FS. Good pickup, not a good cover man though. He’ll never blanket the TE’s like Huff. Remember the donks game in Week 1 when Royal blew by Hall & Wilson repeatedly?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Maybe Al Davis will just punt and name Tom Cable Interim HC again for the entire 2009 season. Make him work another year at IHC for about $700K, lol, and just tell him needs another year to evaluate him as HC material, and then Al will cross his fingers and hope that Cable pans out or that the stink of 08’ washes away enough to at least get some decent HC candidate to answer his phone calls.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wishbone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Vato—Schroeder was QB in that game. You must be thinking of the Divisional game against Buffalo after beating Denver at home. Hoss was the QB then.
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My bad, was that the game we lost like 56-3 or something?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wilson is definitely not a Bust. But the Raiders were still 5-11 and 31st against the run.
Super Bowl player or Coach from somewhere else does not translate in to Raider wins.
Super Bowls go to winning Organizations.
As we’ve seen, you can take a losing player from Oakland, Moss, Collins. And winning players from Super Bowl teams and they do not translate into the other.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Looking back on Gilbride’s first season as a HC in SD he had, try not to vomit, Stan Humphries and Craig Whelihan as quaterbacks and still managed to win four games. Then Bethard made it worse and drafted Leaf.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am
El Vato Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:21 am
808raidah Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Vato;
I agree with you…Hoss was the Raiders best QB after Plunkett, until Gannon came along. Hoss took us to a AFC Championship game against Buffalo.
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That game against Buffalo was a heart breaker. I was always dissapointed Howie’s last game was marred by a game losing off sides penalty.
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Howie was the main reason I decided on the Raiders as my team, and to see him go out that way really sucked…but I don’t think Howie has any regrets. He was ready to start his movie and TV careers…
January 8th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Plenty of players to watch in tonight’s game who fill needs for the Raiders and are projected to be in position for the Raiders to draft:
1st round:
– LG, Duke Robinson, Okla
– LB, Brandon Spikes, Fla
2nd round
– LT, Phil Loadholt, Okla
– WR, Joaquin Iglesias, Okla
– WR, Percy Harvin, Fla
3rd/4th
– QB, Tim Tebow, Fla
– S, Nic Harris (Love this guy. A bit of a LB/S tweener but an intimidator in the mold of Jack Tatum. The Raiders need more nasty, fearless guys like this. Watch this guy.)
The Oklahoma o-line is filled with absolute maulers. I think they’ll be the difference in the game. I wouldn’t mind if the Raiders take both Robinson and Loadholt in the draft.
Go Sooners.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Dakota Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Howie was the main reason I decided on the Raiders as my team, and to see him go out that way really sucked…but I don’t think Howie has any regrets. He was ready to start his movie and TV careers…
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I agree, I don’t think Howie has any regrets, he shouldn’t. Howie was a great Raider and an even better football player. He was tough, and fast, and routinely kicked Elway’s azz. I was a big Howie fan too.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:27 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Hoss was straddled with the Shell/Walsh offense.
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LOL. Vegas Raider was blogging back in ‘93, too. He remembers the Hoss era well. It was hell having to juggle his blogging and trying to get hie white rap group from Galt off the ground.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Gilbride’s consevative Jags offense took them to the AFC title game. Just posting some of the mans accomplishments before saying its a bad idea. I know KK likes to slam Gilbride but fact is his offense has a chance of winning back to back Superbowls. KK you might try and call him a retread, or some one game Superbowl hero type, but I disagree after reviewing the facts.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
It doesn’t matter what coach or GM we bring here. If Al Davis is here, he will micromanage, he’ll end up running the new coach or GM out of town just as he did Gruden and Kiffin, and we’ll still lose. Al would only be making the hire just to appease you guys. Sadly, some of you would be dumb enough to fall for it. (BHP)
January 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
A guard in the first round? Has that ever happened? I know some guys were drafted as tackles and ended up as guards (Gallery), but has a team ever intentionally drafted a player in the first round that they wanted to play guard?
Maybe late first round?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:27 am
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Hoss was straddled with the Shell/Walsh offense.
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LOL. Vegas Raider was blogging back in ‘93, too. He remembers the Hoss era well. It was hell having to juggle his blogging and trying to get hie white rap group from Galt off the ground.
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Well well, what do you know, KoolKell is here, he/she is ignored, so MR changes to himself. Only to be ingored. LMFAO. retard.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Im gonna be pissed if RoBo blows up in Cleveland..
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408, all it takes is 2 more bowls of chili..
January 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
No. 478,
I’d love to have Rod Woodson back as a coach. Knows the game. Amazing player. Likable guy. Any player who wouldn’t respect him would be an absolute fool.
Not sure if he’d do it though. Probably has a lot of money from his playing days and a very cushy job with the NFL Network right now. May not want to give that up.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Im gonna be pissed if RoBo blows up in Cleveland..
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408, all it takes is 2 more bowls of chili..
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LMFAO. That was some funny sh1t bro.
Or just one beer, and the explosin will look like Mt. Saint Hellens.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Dirty Sanchez, aqui esta Juan Valdez Jr. Que quieres con mi. cochino?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Talk about needing attention…. “el vato”.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
MaddenRaider the only thing I disagree with you on is this Raider team will win inspite of Davis.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
El Vato, what cow shyt central valley town do you pretend to be a cholo in?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
dark knight: what if Kevin Gilbride wanted to bring in Chris Palmer, Jerald Ingram, Pat Flaherty or Dave DeGuglielmo as OC or OL coach? Think Al Davis would scrap Cable at Gilbride’s request?
Nah. When reading between the lines…. I think Al has told Cable he will stay on as either HC or at least assistant HC/O-Line coach with a pay raise. Supposedly the meeting with Davis the other day went “well”. Plus it is just smart for a possible new HC to agree to keep a good O-Line coach like Cable around to help with the evaluation of the team since Cable knows the players strengths and weaknesses.
When you look at the G-mens run blocking, they don’t run just a straight up power blocking scheme like some think they do. Their run blocking schemes are mainly zone power blocking.
Cable can teach that no problem with some new ideas and techniques coming from Gilbride.
My main thing with Gilbride is that he better avoid trying to OVERWHEL Russell in the first year in his system and terminology. That will cause a mind screw IMO. Teach him to be confident when audibling is a key IMO but just expand his learning curve to the necessities. If Gilbride is hired he can’t gom in thinking he has Eli Manning right away. He needs to have a certain amount of patience.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dakota & Vato;
I remember watching Howie play when he was a rookie with the Raiders! I’m a Howie Long fan and was able to meet him at the Pro Bowl the year he got inducted into the HOF. He autographed a jersey for me and it hangs proudly in my “Raider Room”.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
HOMO GUY says:
The Raiders are the Lions of the AFC.
The Raiders are sissified losers.
The Raiders are the punching bag for the San Diego Chargers.
The Raiders will lose another 11 or more games in 2009.
So says the HOMO GUY.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
808. your “raider room”? Are you rich?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Hey if Gilbride’s the choice, I’ll support him all the way. I’m just saying Davis has tried the Super Bowl rub-off strategy before, to no avail.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:34 am
808raidah Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dakota & Vato;
I remember watching Howie play when he was a rookie with the Raiders! I’m a Howie Long fan and was able to meet him at the Pro Bowl the year he got inducted into the HOF. He autographed a jersey for me and it hangs proudly in my “Raider Room”.
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Nice bro. Thats a good story. Meeting one of your favorite players had to be awesome.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Chris I don’t know if Rod Woodson would even think about coaching. Coaching NFL players takes a LOT of dedication to the game. Also, sometimes great players do not make great coaches because the game comes easy to them. Think of Barry Bonds as a hitting coach. Or Barry Sanders as a running backs coach. Sometimes guys who were slow, small, or not as good make better coaches because they had to learn the nuances of the game.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
A guard in the first round would be a wasted pick.
The old man already drafted a guard with the #2 overall pick with Gallery and that should never happen again.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
If Gilbride’s the choice, I won’t support him at all. I refuse to support something that I know will not work. My brain just doesn’t work that way. Too smart, I guess.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I’m sure glad to be out of this cesspool. Atleast in Cleveland they’ll give me talent to work with. Yesiree, I’m going to enjoy being in CleveLAND a lto more than that cesspool OakLAND!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am
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January 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dakota,
There’s been at least one guard drafted in the first round each of the last four years. Duke Robinson is almost surely a first rounder, but probably not a top-10 pick. I’d like to see the Raiders trade down for a mid/late 1st and mid/late 2nd and take Robinson there though.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Gilbride’s consevative Jags offense took them to the AFC title game. Just posting some of the mans accomplishments before saying its a bad idea. I know KK likes to slam Gilbride but fact is his offense has a chance of winning back to back Superbowls. KK you might try and call him a retread, or some one game Superbowl hero type, but I disagree after reviewing the facts.
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I agree, after looking at what Gilbride has accomplished as an OC in the NFL he might deserve a second chance at being a HC. I scoffed at the idea at first because I just remembered him for his days in SD, but his work has been great over the years as OC.
Will that make him a great or even a good HC? Who knows, it certainly didn’t work for Norv, but sometimes people fail in their first go around and have success down the road (take Shanahan and Belichick for example.) Gilbride has had plenty of time to sit back and analyze his mistakes in his first go around and he might surprise us as HC.
He would certainly be able to help Russell get better.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
After looking at Gilbride’s resume I am more comfortable with Davis interviewing him than any of the other young, up and coming coaches trying to make a name for themselves.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
the brownies have shaun rogers & corey williams at DT. They paid a truck load for those guys last offseason.
Wanna bet with Rob Ryan they’ll be 31st against the run?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
sup 408 =) No not ditching,just no work at all right now.Good thing Cohleen works 40
January 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
#482 Dakota Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Maybe Al Davis will just punt and name Tom Cable Interim HC again for the entire 2009 season. Make him work another year at IHC for about $700K, lol, and just tell him needs another year to evaluate him as HC material, ….
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Do you suppose any other team would consider hiring Cable as head coach? Not a chance, only the Raiders see a 4-8 record as an improvement.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Charlie Weiss, Super Bowl Pats OC, Tom Brady instructor, did he turn around Notre Dame?
But the Pats kept on winning, I think.
“Organizations win Super Bowls” , Al Davis, 1984?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
MaddenRaider how do you explain the accomplishments of Warren Moon, Chad Pennington or Eli Manning? I know Gilbride personnaly coached all three.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Madden:
Nope I’m NOT rich.
I just have a room in the house where I keep some of my Raiders memorabilia. Auto Howie Long Jersey & Football, Auto Tim Brown Jersey (got both signed at the Pro Bowl), Auto Marcus Allen Football, some signed mini helmets.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ryan’s Hope Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I’m sure glad to be out of this cesspool. Atleast in Cleveland they’ll give me talent to work with. Yesiree, I’m going to enjoy being in CleveLAND a lto more than that cesspool OakLAND!
^ Could luck over there with that crappy secondary ya SLOB!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
# KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Hey if Gilbride’s the choice, I’ll support him all the way. I’m just saying Davis has tried the Super Bowl rub-off strategy before, to no avail.
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Well, you don’t like the idea of bringing in players and coaches from winning teams, as I’ve said, I’m sure we could bring in a bunch of people from Detriot’s staff. And I have heard Mike Martz is looking for a job.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Ron Wolf, Cable beat Denver and Tampa. that’s 16 wins, in Al Davis’s eyes. Al Davis isn’t about making the playoffs. He’s about settling grudges.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
ha ha !
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chargers-tomlinson&prov=ap&type=lgns
January 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am
# Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
After looking at Gilbride’s resume I am more comfortable with Davis interviewing him than any of the other young, up and coming coaches trying to make a name for themselves.
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Of course you are. What choice to you have?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am
808, you have a spare room just for Raiders shyt? You must be doing ok.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Why not take a guard in the 1st round? If you’re confident the guy is going to be a great player, being a guard shouldn’t matter. Was Steve Wisniewski, No. 29 pick overall in the 1989 draft, a bad pick? I guess Tony Madarich, No. 2 overall pick the same year, was a better pick because he played Tackle and Wiz was only a lowly Guard.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I have a Raider Room too, 808. With like 5 relatives sleeping in it.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:44 am
KK you made no sense son, back to the nap mat for you.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am
2005-
32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State New England Patriots
2006
23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2007
29 Ben Grubbs G Auburn Baltimore Ravens
2008
15 Branden Albert G Virginia Kansas City Chiefs
You are right Chris…I guess I have been ignoring the middle-late first round the past few years due to our constant top 10 selections, lol.
You are also right that we would need to pick up another later first round selection to draft your guy…can’t do it at #7.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Reports surfaced prior to Saturday’s wild-card win against the Indianapolis Colts that Tomlinson has a detached tendon that connects one of his groin muscles to his pubic bone———–
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Ouch dude!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Ron Wolf, Cable beat Denver and Tampa. that’s 16 wins, in Al Davis’s eyes. Al Davis isn’t about making the playoffs. He’s about settling grudges.
^ At this point in his life, thats what it seems like unfortunately.
Love the quote from Al Davis after the 1984 Super Bowl win that someone just posted- “Organizations win Super Bowls”
What happened to that Al Davis? Does anyone know?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am
And Norv Turner has never heard of that injury and expects LT to play.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:48 am
LT has a pubic bone? I know Rivers doesn’t. You can tell by looking at him …
January 8th, 2009 at 11:49 am
^ LOL
I can’t stand cry me a Rivers!
He is a douchbag!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Oakglenn
You’re argument that either you raid winning teams or losing teams as the sole choices in building a winning team of your own is as disingenuous as all of the Al Davis apologists nonsense.
“Organizations win Super Bowls”
-Al Davis
January 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am
With Rodger and Williams under my tutilede to put pressure on the QB. The DB’s are going to have it easy! GLAD TO BE HEADING TO CLEVELAND AND AWAY FROM THIS CESPOOL!!!!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Norv Turner’s pock-marked face has more surface area than the state of California.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Coughlin brought Gilbride with him. In their first five years they had basically steady improvement thru out their team. You would think Gilbride would bring some much needed discipline to this team after working with Coughlin. Altho Cable did the same thing: he greatly cut down on Raider penalties the last two weeks of the season.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I don’t think anybody can know the frustration, to be honest with you,” he said. “It’s tough dealing with it. I really sometimes just want to go home and just stay at home and lock myself up and not even go into public, just because all my life, all I’ve ever wanted to do is play football and, you know, win a championship. And to feel so helpless, to be at this point where we have a chance to do it and again, I can’t do anything about it, I can’t play, it’s like I’m being punished for something. It’s tough to deal with.”
waaaaaaaa poor crybaby as$ LT
January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
You would think Gilbride would bring some much needed discipline to this team after working with Coughlin. Altho Cable did the same thing: he greatly cut down on Raider penalties the last two weeks of the season.
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woohoo!
January 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Coughlin, Gilbride and the New York Giants Football Organization.
Simply bringing Gilbride into this backwards dysfunctional organization will leave you as disappointed next year as the last 6.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Tomlinson is a choke artist in the playoffs. He quits.
Must have learned it from the best (Marty Schottenheimer). haha
January 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Oakglenn, you’re so smart. You know so much about football. What’s Al Davis’s record since 2003?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
MR accuses Al of only caring about settling grudges. HILARIOUS. This coming from a guy who will root for any team that he thinks Al dislikes. And you troll this blog hoping to PO anyone who supports Al.
MR, you waste hours and hours of your life here because of a grudge against Al, and HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
MR = personality disorder. I hope you don’t own guns, freako.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Im rooting 4 the chubby guy….
Lunch time..
January 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Ryan’s Hope Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am
With Rodger and Williams under my tutilede to put pressure on the QB. The DB’s are going to have it easy! GLAD TO BE HEADING TO CLEVELAND AND AWAY FROM THIS CESPOOL!!!!!!
^ From one cesspool to another huh?
Not a very smart guy there are ya Rob the Slob??
Well I have known that for the past 4 years with you getting out game planned and out schemed by the other division coaches.
The same thing will be happening to you against Pitt and B-more the next 5 years! LOL
January 8th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Eric Mangini looks like Kevin James from King of Queens. doesn’t he?
he must be upset to leave New York …
January 8th, 2009 at 11:57 am
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Oakglenn
You’re argument that either you raid winning teams or losing teams as the sole choices in building a winning team of your own is as disingenuous as all of the Al Davis apologists nonsense.
“Organizations win Super Bowls”
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Where did I say that you raid winning teams or losing teams as the sole basis of anything??? Man, some of you guys really need some reading comprehension courses. What I said was raiding winning teams is a hallmark of Al Davis, be it coaches or players. I think you would have a hard time disagreeing with that statement. Plus I completely agree with that statement: organizations win Super Bowls. We were fighting for one six years ago. So, KK was it NOT the organization that put us in that position?? Or are you going to claim like one moron in here that all credit goes to Jon Gruden???
January 8th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Scientists have studied Norv Turner’s face and have created all-weather tire tread designs from it.
Check out the Goodyear Pock Tracker 2 SUV tires!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
All Al Davis cares about are grudges. That’s why he’s probably going to keep Cable, for the sole fact that Cable beat Tampa Bay and Denver. Of course, if Al had a clue, he would know Denver sucks and that Cable only beat Tampa because he ran the ball (Kiffin’s playbook) and kept the game out of Russell’s hands. But Al doesn’t have a clue. So he’s going to keep Cable, solely for knocking Tampa out of the playoffs and beating Denver. Al couldn’t care less if his team never makes the playoffs again. Settling grudges is what it’s all about with him.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
New Post!
Raiders sign Cable!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Just saw that the line in tonights game is up to Florida -6. Glad I got in yesterday at -4 (although I don’t think it will make a difference).
Had some interesting prop bets. Bradford pass attempts 39.5 (thinking of the over) Tebow rusing yards 40.5 (seems about spot on, not firing on that one) total yards from scrimmage for Harvin 94 (maybe under???) What do you guys think?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Oakglenn #549
“What I said was raiding winning teams is a hallmark of Al Davis, be it coaches or players. I think you would have a hard time disagreeing with that statement.”
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And what I’m saying is, it hasn’t done him any damned good. He has a significantly losing record since Free Agency.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Gilbride? Come on man. Gilbride aint doing nada. Discipline isn’t allowed in Oakland. You just better win. At this point its gonna have to be Cable as the guy.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
post 518 Shottenhiemer was fired with a 14-2 record.Go figure =)
January 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Hopefully LT’s injury is career ending. I hate that fuggin guy.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Vegas who did you bet on?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Rob Ryan’s most difficult task as Browns DC will be to keep DE Shaun Smith from punching Brady Quinn in the face again.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
KEEP POSTING MADDENRAIDER, YOU MAKE EVERYONE ELSE LOOK SMART, EVEN ME.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
It’s common knowledge Gruden built the 2002 Super Bowl team. Gruden has had success in Tampa. He’s won division titles since ‘03. Davis has had ZERO success since the Super Bowl loss. Do the math.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Eric Mangini looks like Kevin James from King of Queens. doesn’t he?
he must be upset to leave New York …
You talking about Paul Blart: Mall Cop?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
MaddenRaider
So if a team runs the ball, that is considered “Kiffin’s Offense”? It appears that every team in the NFL is running “Kiffin’s Offense”. Thanks for the laugh old buddy.
I seem to recall that it was Cable who said “You pass the ball to score points, you run the ball to win the game”.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
You talking about Paul Blart: Mall Cop?
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yes Brien, exactly!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Vegas Raider didn’t you bet on Detroit over Tennessee?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Oakglenn #549
“Plus I completely agree with that statement: organizations win Super Bowls. We were fighting for one six years ago. So, KK was it NOT the organization that put us in that position?? Or are you going to claim like one moron in here that all credit goes to Jon Gruden???”
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We’ll you Davis groupies are always looking for other scapegoats.
But what has Davis and the Raiders done since Jon Gruden, or immediately before Jon Gruden?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY!) Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I don’t think anybody can know the frustration, to be honest with you,” he said. “It’s tough dealing with it. I really sometimes just want to go home and just stay at home and lock myself up and not even go into public, just because all my life, all I’ve ever wanted to do is play football and, you know, win a championship. And to feel so helpless, to be at this point where we have a chance to do it and again, I can’t do anything about it, I can’t play, it’s like I’m being punished for something. It’s tough to deal with.”
waaaaaaaa poor crybaby as$ LT
^ LT is a cry baby….and he will never win a Super Bowl, especially with Turner as HC and especially since he is on the downside of his career with him starting to breakdown physically.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Vegas,
I disagree. I think the Sooners take this one. The o-line manhandles Florida’s D and the Sooners D comes out fired up.
Hopefully Tebow practiced sliding feet first and ducking out of bounds. If Oklahoma S Nic Harris gets a clean shot at him he may not see the 2nd half.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Dirt Lot Football, I’m sorry I offended you. Just telling the truth. Gruden built that last Raider Super Bowl team. It’s common knowledge. Ask anyone outside of the blindly loyal Al Davis camp.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Rob the Slob reunites with ex-raiders TE John Madsen in Cleveland. Thats a winning combo if I ever saw one!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
All Al Davis cares about are grudges.
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HILARIOUS. This coming from a guy who will root for any team that he thinks Al dislikes. And you troll this blog hoping to PO anyone who supports Al.
MR, you waste hours and hours of your life here because of a grudge against Al, and HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
MR = personality disorder. You solicit abuse to reinforce your extremely low self image.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Ennio:
Went big on Florida yesterday. They are laying 4 points. The line went up to 6, which means everybody is taking Florida, which scares me a little.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
MR, shut up will you? Gruden is trash. Loser at that. He hasn’t built a title winning team yet. How many playoff games has he won since 2002? Do the math on that
January 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
#565:
I did, good one wasn’t it.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Dirt Lot Football, I’m sorry I offended you. Just telling the truth. Gruden built that last Raider Super Bowl team. It’s common knowledge. Ask anyone outside of the blindly loyal Al Davis camp.”
Actually Bruce Allen built that Super Bowl team.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Wow Gruden did build a super bowl loser…….congrats on last place right. IMO Dungy built two super bowl winning teams. Gruden none
January 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I don’t care what Cable says, Raiderdogg. Cable doesn’t have the sack to run the football under Al’s nose. Kiffin did. Cable only had the balls to run it vs. Tampa because loser Al was 3,000 miles away. Kiffin didn’t care. He did what he had to do. That’s honorable. Cable’s a yes man. And since Al Davis won’t be missing any games next year, Cable will air it out and let our running backs rot in the backfield pass blockiing.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Man, Al Davis gets ragged on more then the dumb president in office!! lol
January 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
All Davis lackeys want to talk about is Gruden/Kiffin.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I don’t care what Cable says, Raiderdogg. Cable doesn’t have the sack to run the football under Al’s nose. Kiffin did. Cable only had the balls to run it vs. Tampa because loser Al was 3,000 miles away. Kiffin didn’t care. He did what he had to do. That’s honorable. Cable’s a yes man. And since Al Davis won’t be missing any games next year, Cable will air it out and let our running backs rot in the backfield pass blockiing.
Flawed logic there buddy since we beat the 8-8 texans at home a week earlier with Al there and ran the ball over 30 times then!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Gruden inherited a veteran team assembled by Davis but lacking good quarterbacks is a fact. MaddenRaider’s fantasy land with Gruden, here we go again.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1998/12/14/SPORTS12269.dtl
January 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Bruce Allen…LOL. You guys are reaching, now. Thought Al Davis built it? Thought it was the Raiders entire “organization”? Now, it’s Bruce Allen. Anything to avoid putting the credit where it belongs, with Jon Gruden. It was all Gruden’s team. Ask Gannon.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Gruden’s first year he went 8-8 with an Al Davis built team. Gruden brought some discipline and changed some things but to only give him credit is stupid
January 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Al Davis does get ragged on as much as Bush. Does anyone need to explain that one to you? They’re both idiots.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
All Davis lackeys want to talk about is Gruden/Kiffin.
They don’t want to talk about our GM’s running record of losing 72 out of 92
January 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
MR……….when Gruden got into the playoffs finally in 2000 what two players pushed the Raiders over the top that season? Andre Rison and Willie Thomas? Two guys picked by Al Davis?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Dirt Lot Football, I’m sorry I offended you. Just telling the truth. Gruden built that last Raider Super Bowl team. It’s common knowledge. Ask anyone outside of the blindly loyal Al Davis camp.”
Actually Bruce Allen built that Super Bowl team.
^ Yep! Bruce Allen was the one named EXECUTIVE OF THE YEAR….not Al Davis….
January 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
New post.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
azzhole
January 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
MR
Al ranned the kid back too school!!!
End of story!!!
Al owned that battle!!
Gruden, Shannahan, Turner and the other coaches he fired are still coaching grown men!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Kell, your buddy right there MR is the one who keeps bringing up the Gruden/ Kiffin thing. We all know Al is the blame for the losing the last 6 seasons but to spew garbage like MR is has got to be called out
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I made all of you dum a$$’s look. Like feeding cat $hit to a dog.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Gruden built the offense, brought in Gannon, the running backs, basically everything that was good. Gruden got rid of the scholarship players like James Jett and Larry Brown. He cleaned house. Gruden built that Raider team that went to the Super Bowl. Now that M. Kiffin is gone in Tampa, he’s going to build the same offensive powerhouse there. He balanced it out beforehand because he’s good friends with M. Kiffin and wanted to give him his toys on defense. That’s over now. Look for Tampa to be a powerful ball control offense now like the Raiders a decade ago.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Al Davis an idiot? Come on now you are reaching. Guy is stubborn but Bush gets told what to do. There is a difference
January 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Vegas Raider I just look at both teams schedules on ESPN and I get the impression Oklahoma has not faced a team as fast or as good as Flordia. Florida’s defense intercepts a pass every 17 attempts for example.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I just talk truth, not specualtion and assumption.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Got rid of James Jett? The guy who was there until Gruden left? Shut up MR again you talk out of your 49er hole
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Al Davis, Boss of the Raiders:
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
LOL James Jett was cut by Gruden hahahahaha yet catches a TD pass in Gruden’s last game with Raiders. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
New post!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Unknown, we will never again have a head coach even as good as Lane Kiffin, as long as Al Davis is alive. Kiffin was the best we could do, and Al screwed that up. We would be in the playoffs right now if Al hadn’t have bungled Kiffin.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
MR is an idgett!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Al Davis, Boss of the Raiders:
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12
Sure has but put up the records of all the other years he was the boss Kell. Im not saying Al has ran this organization correctly lately even he has admitted it. Al is a man unlike Kiffin
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
MR, how do you like me now?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Come on MaddenRaider are you really serious?! The Raiders would be in the playoffs with Kiffin? You mean like last year when Kiffin was coach?
Maybe think about letting this crap go, it is not serving you well.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Gruden didn’t build anything but a conservative offense in Oakland. He had no say in the defense, player acquisitions, or coaching changes. Bruce Allen was the buffer for Davis on player contract negotiations.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Hahahahahaha Kiffin would have lost to NYJ, Denver,Houston and TB. We would have had the number 2 pick with a 2-14 record. Even the wimp Jake Grove said Kiffin quit on the team so there
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
My bad. Gruden wanted to get rid of James Jett. He said so a couple of times, but was never able too. And, you’re right, he did score a touchdown in Gruden’s final game. But if it wasn’t for Al’s lousy defense (Anthony Dorsett…), we wouldn’t have even been playing in New England in that snow. Gruden wanted Johnny Harris to play over Dorsett. Al wasn’t having it. Dorsett = Davis scholarship. The dude flat out sucked. Got pump faked by Tent Dilfer and blew his position on that Shannan Sharp play too, in the ‘00 AFC championship. that’s Al, for you.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Al Davis, Boss of the Raiders:
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12
Gruden’s been gone for 6 years.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Gruden didn’t build anything but a conservative offense in Oakland. He had no say in the defense, player acquisitions, or coaching changes. Bruce Allen was the buffer for Davis on player contract negotiations.
That is an accurate account
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Why did he get chased back to school if he is NFL material??? shhhhhhh
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I am back! Now all of you who supported me can kiss my @ss!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Brien<——–still waiting for MR to address the fact he lied about James Jett being tossed away by Gruden
January 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Oakglenn, you’re so smart. You know so much about football. What’s Al Davis’s record since 2003?
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Well, I am smarter than you, and I know much more football than you will ever know. Those things I will agree with. Why don’t we talk about the year before 2002?? We were fighting for a world championship. The year before that was the infamous Tuck Game. That was some good football.
I think your point is the last few years have been disastrous. They have been. It does not take a Rhodes scholar to understand or agree with that. The difference between you and I is you want to boil it down to one thing and one thing only. That is preposterous. Most teams that lose in the Super Bowl go on a downward spiral: The Rams, Raiders, Seattle was in the Super Bowl 2 years ago, this year they were 4-12, the Bears were not a playoff team, NE was 16-0 last year and did not make the playoffs this year.
Al Davis has made some completely disastrous moves. No one is denying that. Is that the only reason this team has played so poorly?? Probably not. Obviously the coaching carousel has to stop turning. Davis needs to get a solid coach, get a solid staff, and let them concentrate on building a system and having continuity here. There are some very very good players here to build around. Does Davis need help in the front office?? Obviously, and even he has admitted it.
Lastly, to change a program around there are a couple of things you need to do: evaluate where you are, emphasize improvement and set high standards. Interestingly, Tom Cable has done just that. Spending a lot of time and energy on what has gone wrong in the past, especially the distant past (meaning more than three years) is a waste. It’s just like Raider fans claiming we are a Super Bowl team because we won Super Bowl XI. It’s irrelevant to winning next year. Fortunately there are a few posters in here that spend their time posting their opinions on what this team needs to do to improve. You, MR, are not one of them.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Oh ok MR LOL
January 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Al Davis, Boss of the Raiders:
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12
Gruden’s been gone for 6 years.
Kiffin was only there for 20 games.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Free MR.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
U DID NOT QFFEND ME MADDENRAIDER, I ENJOY YOUR POST’S . DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL, BUT ENJOY ANYWAY, HAS AL DAVIS’S TIME PAST , MAYBE ,I DO NOT THINK U CAN TAKE ONE 6 YEAR STRETCH OUT OF A 50 PLUS YEAR CAREER AND SAY HE IS A LOOSER.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Oakglenn, you’re a genius. It’s just that you know so much about football. You and BHP. You guys just take all of us peasant idiots to school, every day. So, tell me again, just because I like to hear you say it: What’s Davis’s record again since losing the Super Bowl? LOL.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
My bad. Gruden wanted to get rid of James Jett. He said so a couple of times, but was never able too. And, you’re right, he did score a touchdown in Gruden’s final game. But if it wasn’t for Al’s lousy defense (Anthony Dorsett…), we wouldn’t have even been playing in New England in that snow. Gruden wanted Johnny Harris to play over Dorsett. Al wasn’t having it. Dorsett = Davis scholarship. The dude flat out sucked. Got pump faked by Tent Dilfer and blew his position on that Shannan Sharp play too, in the ‘00 AFC championship. that’s Al, for you.
More false shyt from MR’s mouth. Lousy defense of Al’s? So when the Raiders lost 3 straight games after being 10-3 it was Al’s fault? Look at how pitiful the Raiders offense was that stretch and the turnovers on offense? you remember in Miami and at home vs Tenn? Idiot Marquez Dope messed up the Shapre play in 2000 along with Bresnahan not calling the sticks formation we ran all year on 3rd and long. So MR try again. I’ll slap your BS at every turn
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
List the previous six years KK to be fair because Davis was in control then too. You might as well post every yearly record since Davis took over to be the most realistic.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Mort just reported Al Davis has Old Timers Disease!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
have we got to the point where we think cable is a good coach, because he won 2 games against 2 mediocre teams. did we all forget the idiot play calling he was doing all the other weeks, and yes good riddance ryan is gone, knapp I think was never given a chance to coach the way he wants to. We need a schottenheimer over here or go new, with mcdaniels. we have a very talented team. our offense is a young offense but has proven they can move the ball, our defense was good but could have been great with the talent and experience we had on that side. I would like to get rid of some of these players but now that I think about it, what if they really are good we just dont know it because of the owner and coaches. Please refer to moss, collins, f. washington, p.buchanon. carlisle, carr. walker. the raiders use to be the team that gave second chances, now we are the team that let’s the player realize that he needs a second chance just not with this team…. and they go on to better things with good coaches and knowledgeable owners. Mr. davis you want to save your legacy, hire pioli from new england or peterson from chiefs, and then hire a schottenheimer, or mcdaniels, and let them coach. sign these guys for 4-5 years and let’s give them a chance to build their team.your strategy has not worked for over 10 years then it worked 6 years ago, and then you slipped up again.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Brien<——constantly catches MR goofing up. This is one guy that cant mess with me
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
amazing. oakglenn, unknown, mr & koolkell all get here around the same time and trash yet another thread …
Jerry must not read any of the responses to his blogs or he’d ban these turds by their IP address.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
You’re all suckers…we have current Raider issues to discuss and MR lures you into his old “Gruden is God” argument. Don’t fall for it.
If MR has anything to say about our next group of coaches or GM then read and respond. But he doesn’t.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Dirt Lot Football, Al Davis never had a “time”. He’s been a fraud from day one. More will be revealed about him in upcoming years and he’ll be removed from the hall, watch.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
later clowns!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Texans were a little above average. They lost a few close games. Texans arent that far off. I’d watch out for them next year to win that division
January 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Ennio,
Big 12 hasn’t looked good (2-4 against the spread in bowls), so far, and the D across the league has been so bad, I just don’t see them stopping Florida. But hey, been wrong before.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Uh oh, Bo Slimpecker has just ordered you guys to not stand up for Al Davis when I make fun of him. Listen to your captain, now. Minions. LOL.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Oakglenn,
Al Davis Hires All the Players
Al Davis Hires All the Coaches
Player turnover, Coaching turnover, same result.
Why, if not Al Davis?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Dirt Lot Football, Al Davis never had a “time”. He’s been a fraud from day one. More will be revealed about him in upcoming years and he’ll be removed from the hall, watch.
Haha more nonsense. Al is no different than the other crooks in the NFL. When you get up that high it isnt because you are an honest person. Quit reaching
January 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Oakglenn,
Al Davis Hires All the Players
Al Davis Hires All the Coaches
Player turnover, Coaching turnover, same result.
Why, if not Al Davis?
So that property you are your wife onw you would fire yourself? Stop it Kell
January 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
kiffy was a big part of the problem!! He went out like we thought he would: KICKING AND SCREAMING!!! lol
And 2 dummies here still support him!!! shhhh
January 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Bo S. jackson is right. MoRon always baits everyone here into debating that Al Davis is the cause of all the trouble in today’s modern society. I would rather talk about tonites national championship game: Go Florida!!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Ennio,
Big 12 hasn’t looked good (2-4 against the spread in bowls), so far, and the D across the league has been so bad, I just don’t see them stopping Florida. But hey, been wrong before.
Vegas people forget about defense all the time in championship games. OU has no defense at all. Florida has starting pro players on that defense. 2nd half will be an ass whipping. Gators wins 44-24
January 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
# Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
List the previous six years KK to be fair because Davis was in control then too. You might as well post every yearly record since Davis took over to be the most realistic.
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How is what he did 25 years ago realistic to today?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
My bad. Gruden wanted to get rid of James Jett. He said so a couple of times, but was never able too. And, you’re right, he did score a touchdown in Gruden’s final game. But if it wasn’t for Al’s lousy defense (Anthony Dorsett…), we wouldn’t have even been playing in New England in that snow. Gruden wanted Johnny Harris to play over Dorsett. Al wasn’t having it. Dorsett = Davis scholarship. The dude flat out sucked. Got pump faked by Tent Dilfer and blew his position on that Shannan Sharp play too, in the ‘00 AFC championship. that’s Al, for you.
I want the punk to address this lie
January 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Brien, it’s common knowledge and well documented that Gruden wanted J. Harris over A. Dorsett. Lil Anthony is Tony Dorsett’s son and Al is friends with him. Scholarship politics at it’s ugliest. Dorsett was hideous. All he did was go for the pick, and blew his coverage constantly. He gave up that TD to Sharpe in the AFC title game. He had the deep field and Trent Dilfer wisely pump faked him, knowing he’d go for the pick. Gruden wanted that azzhole out of here but Davis insisted he start instead. Al Davis and his games. With J. Harris playing safety our pass defense would have been twice as good, and we wouldn’t have blown so many plays. Al Davis’s poor defense held Gruden back.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
List the previous six years KK to be fair because Davis was in control then too. You might as well post every yearly record since Davis took over to be the most realistic.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And old person’s brain can go no further than 6 years!! lol
January 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Brien, Oakglenn and Bo Slimpecker Jackson just gave you direct orders to stop addressing me. You’d better obey your masters.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
How about 7 years ago?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Brien
Why are you so fascinated with my married life?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Hi,……I killed my little kid because I was hungry and needed something to eat. Go Raiders.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The more things change the more they stay the same
January 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Brien,
Bo and Oakglenn gave you direct orders to stop taking my “bait”. You’d better get in line and do what they tell you to. They don’t like it when you guys get uppity.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Dirt Lot Football, Al Davis never had a “time”. He’s been a fraud from day one. More will be revealed about him in upcoming years and he’ll be removed from the hall, watch.
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If there is any justice, Al will get inducted AGAIN.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Al Davis, Boss of the Raiders:
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12
Gruden’s been gone for 6 years.
Kiffin was only there for 20 games.
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Year before 10-6 year before that 12-4
Gruden about to get run
Kiffin 5-15
Cable 4-8
Funniest part is Jamarcus has a better winning percentage as a starter than Lame Kiffin did as HC. But enough history. time to look towards the futuah! The Greatness of the Raidahs is in it;’s futuah!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
KK I said lets go back 12 years with the records. Then I want you to claim Davis gets all the credit and blame with the same vigor you list the past six years of play as the only time that counts. Lots of coaches and owners have been around for the past twenty five years so yes its as relevant now as it was twenty five years ago.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
I think there’s going to be a riot in the town, btw. That BART shooting. This is getting ugly.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
AND U HAVE ALL OF THIS INSIDE INFO BECAUSE YOU ARE SMARTER THAN US , OR HAVE CONNECTION’S THE REST OF US DO NOT OR WHAT ? AS LONG AS O.J. IS IN THE HALL OF FAME .THEY HAVE BIGGER ISSUE’S THAN AL DAVIS BELIEVE ME.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The Oklahoma Sooners played 780 minutes of football this season. They only trailed for 18 minutes of the entire 780! Now that is a stat!
I wouldn’t be surprised if big Al was trying to lure Bob Stoops over to the darkside. Then when Stoops turns him down Al will hire someone from his staff and say that was his guy all along.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Why are these cry babies still loving Al’s team??
Can any smart mind answer?? shhhhh
January 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
OJ never tarnished the game in and of itself. He just killed a white bytch and her punk boyfriend. Had nothing to do with football. Al Davis has disgraced the game. He rode to success on the backs of other people, and as more is revealed, he’ll be out of that hall. Watch.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
MaddenRaider
It was pretty much rioting last night.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
RaiderDogg go look up both teams schedule and get back with us on the Sooners.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
6 years prior to Gruden
4-12
7-9
8-8
9-7
10-6
7-9
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45-51
January 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
later Rockstar =)
January 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
The more those idiots riot the more it gives those that want to move the team more reason to do so.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Dogg,
Good stat.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Why are you excluding Gruden? just list all the records from 1998 to now, its not hard unless it bothers you to do so.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Could Marinelli to the Raiders work?
How’s this for your next Raiders defensive coordinator or defensive line coach:
Rod Marinelli.
Yes, he just led the Detroit Lions to a 0-16 season.
And true, he comes from the Tony Dungy coaching tree, meaning he’s fond of the Tampa 2 defensive scheme.
But Marinelli is popular not that he is unemployed. He’s in Houston today and has already spoken with Seattle and Chicago.
Marinelli was a candidate for the Raiders head-coaching job in 2006 before the team went with Art Shell.
The Raiders’ best in-house candidate to be the new defensive coordinator, linebackers coach Don Martindale, could bolt for Cleveland or another job rather than wait and hope to get a promotion from the Raiders.
Defensive line coach Keith Millard’s contract is up and based on what other Raider coaches are doing, he could be on his way to more stable employment.
And Marinelli, who has been around talented defenders as the defensive line coach in Tampa with Dungy and later Jon Gruden, could be intrigued by the opportunity to see if he can push the likes of Tommy Kelly and Derrick Burgess to new levels.
Former Raider Warren Sapp always spoke highly of Marinelli and how he found ways to motivate, challenge and help defensive linemen improve.
Most consider the fiasco that led to the Lions going winless to be Matt Millen’s fault so Marinelli’s reputation as a leader appears to be in good standing.
But I guess finding a head coach should be the priority.
–Jason Jones (Sac Bee)
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Oakglenn #650
Your post is a lie
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Ennio
Already done the research my friend. Just putting stats out there for all to see. Am I saying the Sooners will win? Not exactly. Just putting some numbers out there.
We’ll see what happens tonight. Can Florida’s D hang with being on the field for possibly 15 to 20 more plays than they are used to? We shall see. The Sooners no huddle offense allows them an average of 18 more plays than any other team in college.
Do the math, more opportunities = more chances to score points than the opposing team, no matter who it is.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Should be a good game tonite. Someone was mentioning the Ok WR Inglesias. Pretty good size, not real fast, just a productive player. Something we never look at: actual production. Floridas defense will be too fast for OK tonite. Go Gators!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Thanks D!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
MR and his buddy KK say: “AL sucks!”
Wow, good argument.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Gilbride isn’t my top choice…..Harbaugh would be my guy.
I have to admit though that Gilbride has done a good job with Manning and the G-Mens efficient offense in NY.
He would bring a winning attitude, experience and confidence. Lets hope he has learned from mistakes he made in San Diego, which I’m sure he has since he has been in NY under Coughlin.
The offensive line would maintain some continuity with Cable staying and the ZBS system would be kept but tweaked a bit by Gilbride. Contrary to popular belief, the Giants do not run just a straight up man to man power blocking system 100% of the time. Many of their run plays are actually ZONE power blocking schemes.
Plus Gilbride has been a solid play caller throughout his career overall.
The G-Men utilize a 3 back system and the Raiders have a 3 solid backs with a QB who needs to develop.
If this occurs then lets hope Waufle comes onboard as DC. He can bring that aggressive 4-3 base that utilizes blitzes (unlike Rob Ryan) and utilizes stunts, disguises coverages and blitz packages that he has hopefully learned from Spags who learned from the great Jim Johnson. Waufle also is from California and he still owns a home here.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
One the Dilfer pass Dorsett took his typical horrible angle and overran the play. But let’s not forget the flag-football defense Pope played on the play as well. And the fact that Breshnahan dialed up a blitz on 3rd and 17, up 3-0, and a simple “sticks” defense would have gotten the ball back in good field position for our top-ranked offense. I was at the game and the air was taken out of the place on the TD.
Harris was playing in that game because he had a pick in the second half. Don’t think he was on the field on the Sharpe TD.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
# Ennio Morricone Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Why are you excluding Gruden? just list all the records from 1998 to now, its not hard unless it bothers you to do so.
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Look it up for yourself, dude. Al Davis is Boss of the Raiders. He has a losing record since 1989!!!!!
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Oakglenn #650
Your post is a lie
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
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what we were 11-5 not 12-4??? run for the hills ma barker!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m doing this from memory. Man, you are a sad sorry POS. And nor do I care. It’s so funny because out of the hundreds of people that post here and probably thousands that actually view this site only TWO care what our record was five years ago: MR and KK. The two biggest losers here.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
RaiderDogg I am basing my opinion on the Texas Tech/Ole Miss game as to assessing if the Florida defense can hang with the Sooners no huddle offense. Florida will score often you can bet on that.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
That racism gene will never leave those people; concerning the riots!!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
These rent a cops, man, they’re getting bad. And when I say rent a cops I mean campus cops, public trans cops, etc., as well. They’re getting more and more power by the day, and I knew it would only be a matter of time before they start abusing it.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
DK01 -
Waufle has already worked for the Raiders in the past, so he knows what he would be getting into.
Nice post
January 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
GIVE US A HINT M R WHAT IS GOING 2 HAPPEN 2 CAUS BIG AL’S DEMISE ?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
# HayesDaze#37 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
MR and his buddy KK say: “AL sucks!”
Wow, good argument.
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The Raiders Suck. Is he Boss of the Raiders or not?
6 years straight, who else should I complain to?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Storm the police stations! Kill ‘em all!
Wait, let me get my popcorn ready first…
January 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Oakglenn, they’re brain can only go back 6 years ago!! They have to google anything past that!!! shhhh
January 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I agree, Unknown. A lot of those punk azz cops will always be racist. That gene will never leave them.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Ennio
There is no doubt in my mind that Florida can hang offensively. Just wait until the 4th quarter rolls around and take a look at how the Florida D is responding. If you see a bunch of guys on the DLine grabbing their pants and only in a 2 point stance at the snap, Florida is screwed.
The No Huddle Offense takes its toll late in games when Defenses are fatigued.
Should be a hell of a game though.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Oakglenn
If you don’t care what the Raiders record has been the last 6 years, then you’re obviously not a fan.
And your post is still a fukin lie.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Could Marinelli to the Raiders work?
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Rockstar knowing Raider fan in here, that would be a catastrophe. Not that Marinelli would be a bad hire, it’s just that with the Dungy style Tampa Two, once again the defense is predicated with a front four rush, not a lot of blitzing and keeping everything in front of the defense. It be the exact same Rob Ryan riot in here. Only different.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Unknown, speaking of the last 6 years, what’s Al Davis’s record over the last 6 years? I know he has a larger body of work than just the last 6 years, but I like to hear his loyal minions say it, anyway.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
OMG MR you are a fukking tool.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Ennio
There is no doubt in my mind that Florida can hang offensively. Just wait until the 4th quarter rolls around and take a look at how the Florida D is responding. If you see a bunch of guys on the DLine grabbing their pants and only in a 2 point stance at the snap, Florida is screwed.
The No Huddle Offense takes its toll late in games when Defenses are fatigued.
Should be a hell of a game though.
^ I kinda like the under 71 in this game….
January 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
KK I asked you to post the record from 1998 to 2008, if it did not bother you, because you said that going as far back as 1989 was not relevant anymore. Obviously this does bother you by your response, anyway if 1989 counts then so does the previous two decades before that, so like I said before, you might as well just show the whole record of the Raiders since Al Davis took over because that is what is realistic and most relevant KK.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
KoolKell why don’t you ship every one of your posts back six years ago when people gave a fuk about six years ago. Dude has completely lost it.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Darkknight thats all well and good unless you can’t stop the run, then your offense scores so quickly the defense plays most of the game anyway.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Cable and AL have been meeting in-person and otherwise for days.
Some, not all, coaches have been allowed to talk to other teams before their contracts run out — and those decisions have been made by AL and Tom together.
Cable has a fine offensive mind, not discussed much, and disguised by his Everyman looks. JaMarcus Russell will be fine with whomever Cable selects as OC — because Cable has seen what JaMarcus can do with his particular skills-set.
Get JaMarcus a double-team-worthy WR, and Tom Cable’s offense is top-12 instantly (provided the O-Line does not regress…).
If Michael Bush starts, and McFadden touches the ball 15 times per game (from all over the field), the team will have a top-5 rushing attack.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I get the feeling Florida’s backs are going to run all over Oklahoma.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Guess that racist BART cop wanted to get one last shot in before his way of life is eradicated by the new government in Washington. Obama’s going to drag neanderthals like him into the 21st century, one way or another. The punk resigned, too. that’s good, but it won’t be enough.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
DK01
Considering the Sooners averaged over 50 points a game and Florida averaged over 40 points a game, you may consider the over, even at 71 points, as crazy as that sounds.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
MR
Why did kiffy get chased back to school if he is NFL material??? shhhhhhh
January 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
HayesDaze#37
If Michael Bush starts, and McFadden touches the ball 15 times per game (from all over the field), the team will have a top-5 rushing attack.
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Big ifs there HayesDaze. So far Cable has shown no indication that anyone will start at HB other than Fargas.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
HD#37, Tom Cable is a very very solid offensive play caller. what most people in here do not realize is Knapp was calling most of the plays for the lst part of Cables tenure. After we were getting killed out there and Tom realized Gregg “Taking A” Knapp was gonna cost him his job!! Cable started calling the plays and you saw a much better offensive design.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Is dumba** a race?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Vegas, Obama’s rent a cops will have brains. That’s the difference.
Ennio, Obama definitely cares about Oakland. Use your brain and figure it out. Of course he can’t come out acting like Huey Newton. But he’s watching, and action will be taken.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
HayesDaze#37 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Cable and AL have been meeting in-person and otherwise for days.
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That’s another gawdamned lie. Don’t you lackeys even keep yourself informed. Ah, no need to. Just parrot Davis
“On a day in which it was learned Tom Cable had his first substantive discussions with owner Al Davis regarding being the Raiders head coach in 2009, some of the assistant coaching staff is on the move in advance of the expiration of their contracts on Jan. 13.”
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Oakglenn #690
If an ongoing NFL Losing Record is not important to you. Then you must be a natural born loser
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No. Concentrating on irrelevant losing records is what losers do to embrace losing. that’s you. You loser.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Vegas, Obama’s rent a cops will have brains. That’s the difference.
Ennio, Obama definitely cares about Oakland. Use your brain and figure it out. Of course he can’t come out acting like Huey Newton. But he’s watching, and action will be taken.
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MR what is your race?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Yeah and Obama’s answer to the riots? Send in armored personnel carriers and national gaurdsman, keep it up people.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
ESPN just now reported the meeting between Cable and Davis.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
KK — You’re standard hypocrisy is showing…
KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Hey if Gilbride’s the choice, I’ll support him all the way. I’m just saying Davis has tried the Super Bowl rub-off strategy before, to no avail.
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Unless AL hires somebody who INSTANTLY takes this team to at least a conference championship game, you’ll be the first (or second) guy in here to hang AL from the mast — along with ANY of his picks, as coach or player, who don’t work out.
What a fan.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Anybody see the video of the shooting? That AHole should be in Jail for the rest of his life.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Vegas, we know your race, Vanilla Ice. We also know what race you wanted to be down with at one time. But, since your black peers smelled your white racist instincts from a mile away, they punked you regularly. Now you hang around a bunch of baby boomer compulsive gamblers in Vegas, thinking you’re above ghetto culture. Shyt, degenerate gamblers is actually a downgrade from the hip hoppers. But keep pretending you’ve made it though, Vanilla.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
# vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Is dumba** a race?
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Actually Vegas only in MR’s case. You see he is obviously descended from generations of the so called dumbass race. When he can not sway the argument anymore, he immediately plays the race card. He comes in here only to be pissed all over and shat upon. Even the most simple of insects know to move out of urine and feces. he does not. and other imbeciles (KK) like to mimic him. Next he will be posting under my name. Tomorrow, the pattern repeats ad nauseum.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I wonder if they ran that story by the Raiders first
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RaiderDogg Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
ESPN just now reported the meeting between Cable and Davis.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Oakglenn, come on, tell us Al Davis’s record since losing the Super Bowl. Since you know so much about football, surely you know that.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Oakglenn
“No. Concentrating on irrelevant losing records is what losers do to embrace losing. that’s you. You loser.”
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What a stupid statement. Is that why the Raiders are constant losers?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Good one Darth
January 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I know I’ve been saying that Cable only had the balls to run it as much as he did against Tampa (35 attempts) because Al wasn’t there, but I should probably come clean and admit the week before, against Houston, ‘under Al’s nose’, as I’m so fond of saying, he ran the ball 34 times. I’ll figure out a way to cover up this latest bit of blatant hypocrisy on my part, though, don’t worry. Carry on.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
El Vato, why does my race matter to you?
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Lol, I knew it. Nevermind. You obviously are a complete idiot. LMFAO.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Jmac and Fargas both want Cable 2 stay,so he stays in in some capabilities imo
January 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Alright, KK, if you insist on proving yourself wrong by arguing with me (with your ONE argument)…
KoolKell Says:
HayesDaze#37 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Cable and AL have been meeting in-person and otherwise for days.
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That’s another gawdamned lie. Don’t you lackeys even keep yourself informed. Ah, no need to. Just parrot Davis
“On a day in which it was learned Tom Cable had his first substantive discussions with owner Al Davis regarding being the Raiders head coach in 2009, some of the assistant coaching staff is on the move in advance of the expiration of their contracts on Jan. 13.”
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KK, I know it involves deeper thought, by give this a try:
If you look at what time that report you cite was released — and then go back and look at what I’ve said about Tom and AL meeting and making decisions together — you will see that I was right all along.
Just because Jerry Mac doesn’t report on something every time it happens (whether or not he knows about it), doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
You want the truth, KK? You can’t handle the truth!
Go away mad now, like usual.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Not to mention the Utes kicking everyone’s ass including a bowl game where none of the “experts” thought they would win.
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# 4evaRaider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
lets see:Texas tech beat Texas.Texas beat oklahoma.Oklahoma beat Texas tech….Ole Miss beat Florida.Florida beat Alabama.Alabama beat Ole Miss.Then Ole Miss beat Texas Tech.We need a playoff.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hayez, Jerry knows Al Davis better than Al Davis knows Al Davis. Jerry has Al Davis locked down. That’s why so many of us Al haters are here. We’re fans of Jerry’s. Jerry reports it, it’s happening. Al says it’s not true? It almost always is true, regardless. That’s the long and the short of it, bud.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Big 12 is 2-4 Against the Spread in bowl games? OK. But they’re 4-2 in the W-L column. SEC is 5-2 in the bowl games. Not much difference.
Alabama was the best SEC team to play a bowl game thus far. They got trounced.
Texas was the best SEC team to play a bowl game thus far. They won.
I’ve been a Sooners fan since the days of the Boz, so I’m biased. But I think the SEC is overrated. Not that it’s not one of the best conferences in the country every year. It’s just not head and shoulders above the other conferences as SEC fans like to believe.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
LOL. What in the hell is a riot collaborator?
And, what is my “own kind”? I’m not a racist redneck, so how would hating that punk cop be hating my “own kind”? You took that short yellow bus to school, didn’t you?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Unknown, I know you’re a racist. But most white people aren’t. Don’t try and lump all of us in with your primitive way of life.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Shefter and PFT are reporting that Robbo has been hired by Mangini, but I am waiting for an update from Jerry before I believe it. What’s the scoop J-Mac?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Darth yep I was glad 2 watch that one =) Imo Ole Miss is the most balanced team
January 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Hire Jim Fassel/Chris in NY, Why do you want Fassel? I’m just curious about your reasoning.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Jim Fassell actually asked for a job here. I definitely don’t want someone who actually wants this job. I want Al to be on his knees trying to get someone here. Anyone who actually wants to be here must have puppet written all over them.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
How am I a racist for calling rednecks rednecks? Nothing racist about it. It’s the truth. How can hating unlawful cops be racist? There’s no race involved. It just so happens that most of them do happen to be white, though. hey, can’t help that. And, making fun of the short yellow bus is not racist. Retards are not a race. So, there’s nothing racist about me making fun of you being a retard. It’s just honesty.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
So you are saying then MR that their are reneck black people too? I guess you are one of them and just happen to hate white cops now.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
WHERE’S THIS LOCAL GM, AL? STUPID OLD BlTCH!
January 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
KK got lost looking for me saying exactly what Jerry Mac reported in his blog much later. Then, he got mad and left, like he always does when someone points out his hypocritical ways.
Speaking of hypocrites…let’s get to MR, and see if he quits talking socio-economics (like he understands what that even means) to get back to football…
January 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
post 746 maybe they just love the Raiders
January 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
#732
Just because Jerry Mac doesn’t report on something every time it happens (whether or not he knows about it), doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
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So we should disregard Jerry’s Reporting, the Beat Writer, in favor of your reporting? And then we’ll see you were right all along?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
The Raiders rushed the ball 34 times vrs the Texans, with Al in attendance. The next week, vrs the Bucs, they rushed it 35 times. See what I’m talking about? Cable doesn’t have the guts to run the ball when Al’s there!
January 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
When KK embarrasses himself, he just abruptly leaves.
When MR embarrasses himself, discussions usually go from Tyrant AL to race. Of course, he never starts that talk, though — just steers it and continues it.
Football anyone?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
This may be a better question for Jerry, but what does a special teams coach do and how much can you really practice for special teams?
I mean, they don’t really tackle in practice, so you can’t simulate the major collisions of a punt or kickoff return. Just trying to figure out if Schneider is to take a lot of credit for the last year, or the fact we have two really good kickers and some good special teams athletes.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
DeAngelo Hall’s cousin is healthy and ready to play for Florida tonight. The Gators certainly have some serious playmakers at the skill positions.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Al Davis, as Boss of the Raiders, has a losing record since 1989!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any of you lackeys want to deny that, or do you want to talk about rednecks or Jon Gruden?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Kicking and screaming=miss raider& kiffy
Isn’t kicking and screaming a movie title?? lol
January 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Unknown, you’re still here?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
So, Ernie, did you make up “riot collaborator”? That’s a big word for a redneck. Not bad. But this isn’t scrabble. So please use words that exist, ok, redneck retard?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
This may be a better question for Jerry, but what does a special teams coach do and how much can you really practice for special teams?
I mean, they don’t really tackle in practice, so you can’t simulate the major collisions of a punt or kickoff return. Just trying to figure out if Schneider is to take a lot of credit for the last year, or the fact we have two really good kickers and some good special teams athletes.
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Personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea if we find out Schneiders worth by letting him go. Fact of the matter our ST’s were terrific. I would imagine some of the credit has to go to Schneider.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
HayesDaze
I’m finding that besides being a disgusting Davis scum swallower. You’re pretty dumb as well. When you’re not screaming MR in your sleep, you’re actually delusional enough to think you could get the best of me and chase me off. Jeeezus Christ.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
MR always makes stupid connections.
here’s a good example, if we were talking about the 07 draft and the debate was Quinn vs Russell he might say “anybody who wants Quinn is racist against black people, because Russell is clearly a better QB”.
Then the next day he’ll find people supporting Russell and say “you just don’t like Quinn because he’s gay and there is nothing wrong with gay people. What? Is he not fat enough for you?”
crazy assumptions just to argue with people.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
HayesDaze#37 said:
Just because Jerry Mac doesn’t report on something every time it happens (whether or not he knows about it), doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
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KoolKell Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
So we should disregard Jerry’s Reporting, the Beat Writer, in favor of your reporting? And then we’ll see you were right all along?
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Good try, KK — Your attempt to deflect isn’t working…
Nowhere have I ever said that Jerry Mac’s reporting isn’t more than top-notch. I am one of Jerry Mac’s biggest fans. His blog is the #1 Raiders site in the world for a reason (no, not you and MR).
But, just because you don’t like me should have no bearing on whether or not my statements in here are correct. Go find some, if you’re in the mood to show everybody how often I’m right on the money — as opposed to the bull coming from you and some of your other anti-AL (alleged) insiders, et al.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
MaddenRaider, thats two words.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
One day this blog is cool and then MoRon shows up and the next thing you know it sucks again, would someone run this guy over with your car or something?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
hey Dogg,Jeff Demps RB 4 the Gators,is the fastest Gator of all time(yes faster than Capel)and he a true football player,dosent run track,and hes only a sophmore.And I dont think he even start.Man I hope we can land him
January 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
The big 12 will prevail tonight! Just so you guys know who to put your money on.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m thinking Matt Capurro is the bad luck charm (or maybe al’s spy). He started in 2003 with Callahan, and held the same position thru last year. I am so happy to see him leave. Now maybe we can get back to work.
I’m still so in!
January 8th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
emdub52 Says:
January 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m thinking Matt Capurro is the bad luck charm (or maybe al’s spy). He started in 2003 with Callahan, and held the same position thru last year. I am so happy to see him leave. Now maybe we can get back to work.
I’m still so in!
^ I talked to that guy on the phone a couple of times….when I tried to call in and complain!
haha…your right he has been there since Gruden/Callahan
January 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Darth,
Sorry, didn’t see your message till now. I think Fassel is a very underrated coach. Here are the reasons I like him:
– He has a winning record
– He went to a Super Bowl
– He was coach of the year
– He knows the Raiders and has the personality to co-exist with Al
– He’s a good guy
– He’s passionate to get back on the sidelines
– He wants the Raiders job
– He has an eye for talented assistants (John Fox, Sean Payton)
and, most importantly …
– He’s a QB guru. Elway, Simms, Hostetler were pupils of his. He resurrected Kerry Collins’ career. JaMarcus is the future of this team for good or for bad. We need a guy like Fassel to bring him along and help him fulfill his enormous potential.
January 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Hello….Nation!
January 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Bring Rich Gannon in as Offensive Coordinator. He would also do wonders for Russell.
Cable – Head Coach
Gannon – Offensive Coordinator
Martindale – Defensive Coordinator
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