D-coordinator candidates a mystery
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, January 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It’s Day 27 on the seemingly inevitable march to Tom Cable as Raiders head coach, and while there have been hints, clues and confirmed interviews for that job and others, it’s been a veritable information void with regard to the replacement for Rob Ryan as defensive coordinator.
A few names have bubbled to the surface, only to be quickly shot down.
Linebackers coach Don Martindale met with Al Davis and talked a lot of defensive football, but he ended up believing he was a head coaching candidate. When Martindale found out otherwise, he ended up a linebackers coach in Denver.
Ed Donatell, a veteran NFL assistant with experience as a coordinator, was floated as a possibility. He had a logical connection in that he has worked Cable.
The Raiders’ company line? Donatell’s name never came up _ a distinct possibility because Donatell also ended up in Denver, coaching defensive backs.
Around the same time Martindale interviewed, Davis spoke with defensive backs coach Darren Perry. Perry, I’m told, is not a candidate and is looking for work elsewhere.
The most recent name was Tennessee linebackers coach Dave McGinnis. McGinnis interviewed with Oakland in 2004 for defensive coordinator. Rather than wait through the process while there was a phone interview with Eric Mangini, a sought-after interview with Rex Ryan which the Ravens declined and then the eventual interview with Rob Ryan, McGinnis took the Titans job.
Having lost defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to the Detroit Lions, the Titans are expected to hire Chuck Cecil to take his place, rather than McGinnis.
Former Raider exec Mike Lombardi reported the Raiders had talked with McGinnis. A team spokesman said McGinnis’ name has not come up.
Neither has that of Ron Meeks, the deposed Indianapolis defensive coordinator who interviewed with the Raiders in 1998 for the job that went to Willie Shaw.
Meeks would seem an unlikely fit, anyway, given the Colts’ Cover 2 defensive philosophy and a penchant for using smaller, faster players rather than imposing physical specimens.
The Raiders interviewed Green Bay assistant head coach and linebackers coach Winston Moss for the head coaching job, but Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters Moss would be back in Green Bay if he isn’t hired in Oakland _ meaning he won’t be a defensive coordinator here.
Carolina defensive line coach Mike Trgovac declined an offer to return as defensive coordinator but was on the market only a few days before agreeing to join Dom Capers’ defensive staff in Green Bay.
One drawback with the Raiders job is a defensive coordinator comes in knowing there will be a certain way of doing things, with a lot of man-to-man coverage in the secondary and little in the way of conventional blitzing or zone blitzing.
Perhaps the Raiders will talk to Bob Sanders, who was dumped in in favor of Capers in Green Bay but whose team played nearly as much man coverage as the Raiders with Charles Woodson and Al Harris at the corners. Newly hired secondary coach Lionel Washington worked at Green Bay under Sanders.
Washington and Dwaine Board, expected to be named defensive line coach within the next few days, have been the two new additions to what will be a revamped defensive staff.
Sanders is speculation on my part. Your guess is as good as mine, so guess away.
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January 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
1st
January 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
1st
January 24th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I am gay
SUPER GAY!
January 24th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
bill romanowski?
January 24th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Good to hear.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
WTF.. I THINK ITS TIME TO START MAKING SOME COACHING DECISIONS??
January 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Al is going to be the DC….Cable just doesn’t know it yet…
January 24th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Herman Edwards
January 24th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
SOMEONE…
January 24th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
9. No need to panic. Most peices are in place including head coach. Just not advertizing or playing our hand too soon. Advantage in keeping your opponents unsure.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
MARGARITO OR MOSELEY TONITE GUYS??
January 24th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
herm edwards couldnt guard kenny king when he was playing
January 24th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
IS IT REALLY GON MAKE A DIFFERENCE??
January 24th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
DICK VERMEIL
January 24th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Repost from 3 months ago….
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Bob Marley Says:
October 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am
As of now, these are some of the guys I’d like to take a look at:
Titans: Dave McGinnis Assistant HC/LB and Chuck Cecil-Secondary.
Packers: Winston Moss- Assistant HC/LB and Lionel
Washington-CB`s-Nickel packages.
Giants: Mike Waufle-DL.
Philly: Sean McDermott-Secondary.
NE: Pepper Johnson-DL.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
ANDY REID
January 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I want herman edwards for DC. Thoughts?
January 24th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RAY LEWIS…TERDEL SUGGS
January 24th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Sanders or some up and coming unknown from combine …anyone crazy enough to use man to man,with limited blitzing
January 24th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Bobs thats spooky man
what u smoking?
January 24th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Lionel Washington is already on staff, Moss was here but probably won’t get it and McGinnis may have a shot.
Mike Waufle remains my favorite, too bad we haven’t heard anything on him.
Besides his ties with the Raiders, he was on the same staff at Cal with Cable for a year, Waufle as DL coach and Cable OL coach, so at least they know each other.
But McGinnis would be a very good choice too.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
What advantage is that, Nnamdi? The way I see it, our opponents aren’t unsure of what’s going on in Oakland, they’re either laughing their asses off or thanking the powers that be that they’re not a part of it.
This dysfunction is such a part of who the Raiders are now that even putting together a partial staff of losers is seen as progress.
Didn’t use to be this way.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
watever.. just make sure u get rid of kwamw harris
January 24th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
think Board is DL coach already
January 24th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Hire me Al!!
January 24th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
ocho cinco?
January 24th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
We are a mess and will always be as long as Al is still breathing!
January 24th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
andre rison…ha!
January 24th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Herman Edwards for Def. Coord. 2009 Campaign!
January 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
pencil neck harvey williams
January 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
im kool with herm
January 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
One more thing about Waufle….he deserves a shot as a Coordinator, he didn’t get it in NY, maybe he can get it in Oakland.
That Bob Sanders guy might work too, he’s coached under Jim Bates most of his Pro career and was with him all the way back to 1990 at Florida, I have always liked Bates.
From their days at Miami, Bates and Sanders ran a nice defense with big DT´s and Sam Madison/Patrick Surtain playing a lot of man Defense, they continued that approach in Green Bay with Al Harris and Charles Woodson, it looked a lot like what we were trying to run, but they got the job done most of the time.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
ere’s a thought: Herm Edwards
I’m already on the record as stating that it’s a bad idea to hire offensive and defensive coordinators before the head coach is in place. But for some reason, Al Davis isn’t heeding my advice. (Maybe because during the summer, I predicted Atlanta would be the worst team in the NFL.) Davis had scheduled a meeting with Scott Linehan, almost certainly to discuss the O-coordinator job, before Linehan accepted a similar role in Detroit.
So if Al insists on just being Al, here is a name to mull: Herm Edwards.
Would Edwards, just fired as Chiefs head coach, consider becoming the Raiders’ defensive coordinator? Maybe not. He’s a two-time NFL head coach and still considered a superior defensive mind. He may be convinced he’ll get another head-coaching job, or at least have his pick among D-coordinator positions, and Oakland isn’t exactly at the top of most coaches’ lists these days.
But here are three reasons Edwards would make sense here:
1) Once again, Davis is filling major coaching slots as quickly as tectonic plates slide across the globe. That’s a negative in many regards. But it can serve the owner sometimes when people become available late in the game. There aren’t many coordinator positions open at this time. If Edwards had his heart set on coaching in 2009, the Raiders would be among his few options.
2) Edwards has California roots. He grew up in Seaside, just north of Monterey, and played for two years at Cal. He brought his Jets to Oakland five times in three years (2001-03), and each time spoke glowingly to the Bay Area press about hanging out at his favorite East Bay Starbuck’s.
3) Maybe, just maybe, Edwards is pissed at the Chiefs and new GM Scott Pioli for not giving him another year to get that team on the right track. If so, there would be no better way to stick it to them than to go to work for Davis, the Hunt family’s greatest nemesis.
At the very least, Edwards should try to schedule an interview with Davis. In Oakland ” as Lane Kiffin found out ” a guy can go from assistant-coach prospect to head-coach candidate as quickly as you can say “spurned by Steve Sarkisian.”
January 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
KEITH BUTLER for DC, the linebackers coach of the Steelers since 2003. Very, very succesful.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
What about Haslett?
January 24th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
where did charlie garner go??
January 24th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
seaside .. thats my high school.. home of the spartans!!!!
January 24th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Al has not hired a coach because he forgot the coaches contracts expired! he just goes about his daily non sense thinking bill callahan is at the senior bowl for him
January 24th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
so u guys didnt answer my question… moseley or margarito for tonites fight??
January 24th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Margarito.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
The Orl..Oakville Readers are just debacled. I can make this into a doggone good team. I can go to the doggone playoff like i did with the Arlington Cardinals…I mean the Detroit Cowboys to be more precise..
HIRE ME Mr. Al David!
January 24th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
KIMBO SLICE…..
January 24th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
yeah.. shuga shame looks like he dont got enuff gas??
January 24th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
peas yall.. gots to go to da store for some 24’s….
January 24th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
January 24th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Bob Knight!
January 24th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
This may finally be the year Al Davis names himself as the Defensive Coordinator. I’m sure he can do it from the booth.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Herm Edwards doesn’t want to be a Defensive Coordinator.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
HERM DOESN’T WANT TO BE A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR
Posted by Mike Florio on January 24, 2009, 12:12 p.m.
One minor fact overlooked in Friday’s termination of Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards is that Edwards doesn’t plan to work as a defensive coordinator.
According to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com, Edwards said that he’s going to choose between taking time off, working in television, and working as a defensive backs coach.
We’ve previously heard rumblings that Edwards could land in Indianapolis, with the Colts.
One reason Edwards might not want to be a defensive coordinator is because he’s never been a defensive coordinator. Instead, his head-coaching career started eight years ago with the Jets, when he jumped from defensive backs coach into the top job.
Coincidentally, the position of defensive backs coach with the Bucs is currently open.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
The biggest DC candidates are probably Jim Haslett and Mike Waufle.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Where’s Willie Shaw these days?
January 24th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
The most desperate guy will be our DC. Haslett fits the bill right now.
January 24th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
There doesn’t seem to be any information on Willie Shaw that I can find.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Yeah, I think Willie Shaw worked for Gruden in 98 or 99.. Thought he was a pretty good DC.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Shaw was the last decent DC for us. Bresnahan wasn’t all that great and Rob Ryan was a disaster. I think Shaw left because him and Gruden didn’t get along however if I recall. That was probably the starting point of problems between Gruden and Al Davis. We know what happens when a Head Coach doesn’t favor the Defensive Coordinator (Davis’ Puppet).
January 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Just wait when Al Davis gives the nod on the 3-4 which is coming back when the depth on defense is there. It will be fun when the Raiders can blitz successfully which they will once the defensive coach can attack but the personal must be available along with the 4-6 which i think can come back in time. Just waiting on a Left Tackle and dolphins away!!
January 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
The DB and DL coaching positions are solid, both Washington and Board were pretty good players and have had success as position coaches.
Board has been coaching DL for 15 seasons and his teams (49ers and Seahawks) have made the playoffs 11 times.
Washington has coached 3 very good CB’s with Green Bay, he developed Mike McKenzie, turned Al Harris from a nickel back into a Pro Bowler and he’s getting the most out of Charles Woodson.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Herm Edwards anyone?
January 24th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Clancy Pendergast for Head Coach with Marc Trestman as Offensive Coordinator
January 24th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Rob – That sounds like a dream. Thanks for sharing your fantasies that will NEVER come true.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Or Clancy Pendergast as HC with Al Saunders as Offensive Coordinator.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
i went to seaside high back in ‘69…
2 years later basic training at ft ord…
Kenny Stabler came down to visit ft ord…
threw a hand grenade an ungodly distance…
and now all i want are :
2 DT’s, 1 DE, 1 MLB, 1 C, 1 OL and…
Herm Edwards for Defensive Coordinator strikes me as a fine idea…
right up until the moment someone convinces me it’s a schitty idea…
January 24th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I don’t think Pendergast is that good. Yes…His defense has stepped up a notch in the playoffs but they have been terrible all year. They remind me of the Colts defense during the Colts Superbowl season. The Colts Offense got the team to the playoffs and the defense showed up in the playoffs and saved the team from Manning’s poor playoff performances.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
With that being said, I’ve seen Pendergast do some similiar things to our defense. I saw him rush 3 and drop everyone else quite often. Davis LOVES the prevent.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Herm Edwards could never be a DC for The AL. Herm likes tTampa 2 style of defense and the AL doesn’t.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Florida Pete – Read up on my previous post. Herm Edwards has NEVER been a Defensive Coordinator. He has been terrible as a Head Coach and he doesn’t WANT to be a Defensive Coordinator. Is that not enough? The fact is…YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!
January 24th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
The Cardinals offense scored a ton of points against the Eagles. In Raider fashion, the Cardinals defense allowed the Eagles to get back into the game. The Cardinals offense saved them.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Herm Edwards does not want to be a defensive coordinator he wants to be a secondary coach which is what he was before he got tha jets job so no herm will not be here in tha O
January 24th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
• In his first season at defensive coordinator in 2004, improved the team’s overall defensive ranking from 26th to 12th. In 2005, Pendergast’s defense improved to 8th overall, the unit’s first top ten ranking since 1994 (3rd).
• Helped guide defensive tackle Darnell Dockett to his first Pro Bowl selection in 2008, strong safety Adrian Wilson to his first Pro Bowl selection in 2007 and defensive end Bertrand Berry to an NFC leading 14.5 sacks in 2004, earning the free agent acquisition his first Pro Bowl appearance.
• In 2005, strong safety Adrian Wilson collected a team high eight sacks setting an NFL record for the most sacks in a single season by a defensive back.
• The Cardinals defense set a new franchise record with 551 interception return yards and six interceptions returned for touchdowns in 2007.
• The 2007 defense also set a modern NFL record by holding the Detroit Lions to -18 rushing yards on eight attempts in Week 10.
All this was done on a team that spends the majority of money on offense.
Cards were 16th in the NFL against the rush this year with 110 yards per game compared with Oakland giving up 158 yards per game.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
oh…
that kid Jerrey out of ‘ol Miss reminded me a lot of Jerry Ball…
taking him instead of Raji would not hurt my feelings…
January 24th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Hire a Defensive Coach – The Cardinals have been inept on Offense until this year and they got lucky in a weak @$$ NFC West Division. They happened to get hot at the right time but don’t let this year fool you. We are who we thought they were. They will be a one hit wonder, just like the Seahawks in 2005, whether they win or lose.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Hell, I’m just throwing out names.
Looks like the Raiders will be doing the whole Art Shell thing again this year.
Al will hire some deadbeat right before the draft
January 24th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
# 24…
i’m not suggesting that we force the man to become a defensive coordinator…
but… if he came a knocking and wanted the job… i think he would be a good fit… (and might make an excellent mentor for Cable)…
Winston Moss is another somebody i could see running our defence… and definately would be a god fit… i do like bringing back Raiders past…
January 24th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
#24 Huff sucks
January 24th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Florida Pete – First. Edwards would likely run a Cover 2. That goes against Al’s ideas. Second. I seriously doubt he’d be knocking on Oakland’s door. Third. Why would he mentor the current Head Coach? Fourth. Green Bay is keeping Moss unless he’s hired by the Raiders as the Head Coach. Its already been stated.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Dikembesaysno – Talk to Al Davis about that.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
It’s too bad that Charlie Sumner is 71 years old, He was the best DC the Raiders have ever had. The Raiders ‘83 defense was underrated, definiely one of the best defenses of all time.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Its too bad we’ve sucked since 83.
January 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
#24 if you could pick some one in the draft to take Huff’s place and his jersey number who would it be?
January 24th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
I’d like to see us go after Derek Pegues (Mississippi State) or Louis Delmas (Western Michigan) we need a FS, maybe we could address the need in the 3rd round. Then again we’ve been SOOOO successful drafting safeties, I mean Derrick Gibson, Stuart Scwheigert, and Michael Huff? 4th times a charm right?
January 24th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Hey Florida Pete,post 65,I spent Xmas 1970 at Ft Ord,would have bought you a beer,or maybe I did!Anyway,perhaps Al will get a GM,and A friggin HC and DC!Later
January 24th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
#24 Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Florida Pete – First. Edwards would likely run a Cover 2. That goes against Al’s ideas. Second. I seriously doubt he’d be knocking on Oakland’s door. Third. Why would he mentor the current Head Coach? Fourth. Green Bay is keeping Moss unless he’s hired by the Raiders as the Head Coach. Its already been stated.
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MR… try to follow along…
I… I would like it if Edwards became our DC… and it would be good with ME if we could get W. Moss for DC…
1. if edwards wants to run a cover 2 AND he’s able to convince al to go with that… case closed… no problem…
2. see one above…
3. well, if he does not… then i guess he wouldn’t… case closed… no problem…
4. if Green Bay wants to keep Moss… case closed… no problem…
um… clearly… you failed to understand my meaning… how about now???
January 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I just read the article about the league urging the Raiders and Niners to build a stadium together. They were weighing the pros and cons of it and it had the fact that you could sell 2 season tickets for each seat listed as a pro of the deal, but what happens when we have a against the Niners? What if a Raider fan and Niner fan have the same seat? Who is home team? Also they would have to have 2 home locker rooms and 2 practice feilds. And you know Davis…they would have to make our practice field a sound proof dome that’s locked up like fort knox if we were practicing anywhere near another team. As much economic sence as it may make, I don’t see us ever sharing a stadium with another team, especially a rival. Al would have us back in LA before that ever happened.
January 24th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
# FIREKIFFIN Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
LMN is hopeless.
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Absolutely! and add drunk to that part =)
January 24th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
LMN is hopelessly drunk…
January 24th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
LMN is hopelessly drunk…
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True… its a good night =) right now we waiting for the coffee to the Irish.. Coffee =)
January 24th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
love irish coffee…
my recipe:
2 shots Bushmills
4 ounces very hot coffee
1 teaspoon brown sugar
must be brown sugar… and please god, no whipped cream, no cinamon, no anything else…
and anyone attempting to introduce a cherry to the misture should be shot…
January 24th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
THIS JUST IN: V.A.Cant has been hired as DC. Together, AD and vacant will dictate our defensive scheme. AD will be issued an official NFL sidelines headset which he will use in his luxury box, in concert with vacant, to run the defense – as it’s always been.
This announcement comes as no surprise. The #2 DC person is not really important anyway. All they are required to do is yell “YES SIR BOSS”, and the band will play on.
There will be no change to our business as normal approach. It’s AD’s way or the highway.
January 24th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Megan Fox for DC. Then there would be a reason to watch the pathetic Raiders on Sunday.
January 24th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Florida Pete..
The girls here wanted a Marshmellow of all things on top.. wha tgives?
well as long they stay here will he sun goes up =)
January 24th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
# MikeyGaGa Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Megan Fox for DC. Then there would be a reason to watch the pathetic Raiders on Sunday.
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Dakota knows im not that keen on republicans but I’d do Dana Perino =) and Lidnsay Soto too =) *RRRRRrrrrr*
January 24th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
hmm btw.. I do not know if either are republicans =) whooops =)
January 24th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
dana perino is very doable…
January 24th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
marshmallows are basically puffed sugar…
get the ladies to try brown sugar…
(they’ll never go back !!!)
January 24th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Artie Gigantino could meet with Al and throw something together during the week.
January 24th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
JT the Brick?
January 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Al will allow Haley to bring in his own staff.
January 24th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Florida Pete – I don’t know why you addressed me as MR but I’m Huff24. If someone doesn’t agree with another, that doesn’t automatically make them MR. Maybe we didn’t see eye to eye but thats all. No big deal.
January 24th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Why not try learning a little bit about football B4 making sweeping ignorant ass statements pretending you have a freakin clue.
January 24th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
HIRE HALEY Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Al will allow Haley to bring in his own staff.
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Cable is our HC. We are more likely to get Boldin than Haley.
January 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
A long time ago I learned that it’s better to let someone assume you don’t know crap than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
There are a lot of things going on that we just don’t know but to constantly assert that something or someone is stupid when you have zero idea as to the actual happenings or facts. Is the personification of stupidity.
We are all waiting and wondering what’s going on and who will be the HC and the staff. But to say who will come here and who wont for some particular reason or other as if you have first hand knowledge. Is some real punk ass crap.
LMN makes all these statements about Martindale and Milliard are friends of Al Davis so there is no way they will be fired and in less than a week both are gone.
Huff24 wants everybody to believe that only a desparate DC will come here, as if he’s talked to all the available parties and is well informed.
The truth is several quality DC’s have interviewed and are very interested. Such as McGinnis and Moss but he’s too damn bias to even acknowledge the obvious. This is the kind of moronic behavior that permeates this blog and dumbs down the convo that might
take place if this crap weren’t so prevalent.
January 24th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
It would be good to talk some Raider football instead of a bunch of dumbass rhetoric.
January 24th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Harvey Williams had the most spectacular pencil neck in the history of the NFL
January 24th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Blackholepriest you’re nuts. Our team is horrid. The coaches are bailing for USC.
January 24th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
The question I would ask is who are the winners and the losers in the Senior Bowl game?? McKillop and Delmas looked like they belong. It was kind of fun to see Unger and Mack playing side by side on the same offensive line. Mitch King also looked pretty good out there. And those were just the north players.
January 24th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“LMN makes all these statements about Martindale and Milliard are friends of Al Davis so there is no way they will be fired and in less than a week both are gone.”
As if LMN would ever admit to be wrong, about anything. This is the very same moron that shouts to the roof tops when others are wrong and even ridicules them. But he disappears whenever he is wrong, just long enough to make up some nonsense or act like something got lost in the translation. Every excuse except “I was wrong”
Come on man!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:07 am
JERRY MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME INTERVIEW WITH AL JOHN HERRERA, AND DON MARTINDALE. WHY WOULD A GUY THINK HE WAS A CANDIDATE? WERE YOU IN THE INTERVIEW? THE RAIDERS ARE DENYING THE INTERVIEW BECAUSE MARTINDALE TOLD THE OLD B…. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIS ORGANIZATION. THE RAIDERS WILL HIRE WHOEVER DOESNT HAVE A JOB WHEN ALL THE OTHER JOBS ARE FULL. WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE DESPERATE (THE OUT OF WORK COACHES) AND THEY ARE CHEAP. GO RAIDERS. MAKE IT ANOTHER YEAR OF DOUBLE DIGIT LOSSES.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Come on Man – I was born in 1982 stupid. Maybe you should know what you’re talking about instead.
BHP – All the teams around the league are just about done putting their football staff together. The Raiders aren’t even close. Does this not bother you? We just had the worst 6 year record EVER. It doesn’t take a fukin genius that something is wrong but you can keep lying to yourself about it. Somehow you think that Al Davis is in control of the situation and he just has this miraculous plan that nobody knows about. Hes going to surprise the world, thats why hes so secretive. He can’t possibly let everyone know all his amazing secrets. Dude, this show is getting old.
And no…I won’t stop being a Raider fan so quit with that sh!t. I just want the Raiders product to become better and I’ll let it be known all I fukin want until it actually happens. Deal with it because I’m real fan who gives a sh!t.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Voldemort, either the Raiders or Niners would be the home team for a particular game, and the home team’s season ticket holders will have their seats, first dibs. Just like the Lakers/Clippers and Giants/Jets. Even BHP and Florida Pete know that, and the two of them put together are about as smart as Bill Callahan.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:06 am
With “Superior Players” like Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands who needs a D Coordinator. Just lace ‘em up and let play!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:27 am
BHP is Al’s beach man, I have never seen anything like it. Geez, what’s he got on you man? Oh I know, you are one of those dress up every sunday, go to the game and live in the Raider lore (from the 60’s & 70’s) when we were truly awesome and you don’t want to give that up. Yesterday is gone my friend and carrying on the same way we used to when we were revelent is just painful for those of us who live in reality. Haven’t you heard, nothing stays the same. We suck is the bottom line and it’s not just these last six years which have been horid beyond belief, it’s been a circus for a very long time and in this economy you can’t make much money running a circus.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:51 am
where Al Davis went wrong…
it started with hiring Shanahan…
until that point in time, there was a hierarchy…
a succession of coaches that came up from within the organization…
but to bring in ratface, fresh from an enemy team, who had no respect for Raider tradition or the Raider way of doing things was a disaster…
replacing him with Art Shell restored Raider tradition, but clearly Art Shell was not a good choice…
he was simply never prepared… a time-out needed to be called with virtually every change of possession or extraordinary play… but we had exceptional players throughout the roster… with the exception of quarterback…
i used the joke that the league had a rule prohibiting the raiders from having a quarterback… just to keep things even…
the trade of Lachey for Shroeder was a disaster, picking Marinovich a big mistake…
but now it seems to me that we can get back to the Raider tradition of old… promoting from within… (and yes i know callahan was a disaster once his first regular season ended…) he clearly couldn’t command respect…
i think Cable understands Raider tradition, the Raider way…
he’ll build this team from the line back… he knows better than anyone that it all starts up front…
i am impressed with this guy… i think he’s prepared… i think he will surround himself with good people… i think he commands respect…
Al Davis knows he’s the guy…
January 25th, 2009 at 4:19 am
i watched the Senior Bowl last night…
nothing impressive about the DE’s that i saw…
but… there be DT’s in this draft !!!
and though they might not have impressed, i really liked the two Boston College DT’s… they drew double teams all night…
January 25th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Peter’s Picks for 2009 (revised 1/25/09)
Our 1st round pick…
he starts day one:
Defensive Tackle
B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 325.
Now i should say that BJ (his friends call him Mr Raji, is not very bright… but hell, the only instructions he needs is: do NOT eat the quarterback, tackle the Quarterback only.
introducing our 2nd round selection:
Defensive tackle
Ron Brace, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 329.
In a 4-3 alignment the above two DT’s in rotation with Kelly, Sands and Warren would give us an unrelenting run defense and pressure all along the line for a full 4 quarters. We could rotate K, S and W on a weekly basis on and off the inactive list.
Our 3rd round selection:
Offensive Lineman
Augustus Parrish, Kent State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 308.
Could be RT or Guard…
or a truly excellent blocking dummy…
schit, it’s all a crap shoot…
Here is our 4th round selection: a brand spanking new middle linebacker, this guy will have people asking whether Dick Butkus had an illegitimate child:
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
Here’s our 5th round draft choice…
probably 2nd string center next year, full time starter the next…
Dallas Reynolds, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 328.
Our 7th round draft choice should be:
Defensive End (and Burgess’ replacement)
Derek Walker, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 272.
this guy will kick ass…
i think.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:11 am
I nailed Sarah Palin, grizzly style Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Voldemort, either the Raiders or Niners would be the home team for a particular game, and the home team’s season ticket holders will have their seats, first dibs. Just like the Lakers/Clippers and Giants/Jets. Even BHP and Florida Pete know that, and the two of them put together are about as smart as Bill Callahan.
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MR…
i’ve had stool samples that could compete with you intellectually…
but… i will admit that even you are smarter then Callahan…
a flea turd is smarter than Callahan…
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 am
i have to say that the last several posts have truly elevated the overall discussion on this site…
well done…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:41 am
# Come On Man Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“LMN makes all these statements about Martindale and Milliard are friends of Al Davis so there is no way they will be fired and in less than a week both are gone.”
As if LMN would ever admit to be wrong, about anything. This is the very same moron that shouts to the roof tops when others are wrong and even ridicules them. But he disappears whenever he is wrong, just long enough to make up some nonsense or act like something got lost in the translation. Every excuse except “I was wrong”
Come on man!
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Our favorite Liar is back!!!!
First I said they should have been fired several years ago, and Isaid since they haven’t they must be friends of AL…
They were, If Martindale hadn’t said he was HC candidate he most likely would have been our DC today..
Secondly, Mr Liar… I said it ONCE… “all these statements” as you write is plain wrong..
Third, I admit they were gone less than a week after that statement, but at that time they both were in Als corner – so to me its an honest mistake..
Fourth, you should thank me, hadn’t I said they were friends of Al, they might be running our joint…how sick would that be?? lol..
Fifth, its rather pathetic if this is all you got, is this your ammunition?? lol, you must really don’t like me, if you go several days back to find something to shoot down.. lol, you seem as a pathetic little boy…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:42 am
…and to the rest of the NATION… Mornings.. please don’t talk to loud, today, please =)
January 25th, 2009 at 6:44 am
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 am
i have to say that the last several posts have truly elevated the overall discussion on this site…
well done…
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yeah I nice Monologue you had going there Fl Pete, and if nobody praises one, you might as well do it yourself =) lol
January 25th, 2009 at 6:51 am
[...] candidates a mystery D-coordinator candidates a mystery D-coordinator candidates a mystery – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the hig… __________________ RaideroftheSith aka [...]
January 25th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Morning NATION,its gonna be a boring Sunday without football,imo
January 25th, 2009 at 7:21 am
BHP. you used to be somebody that a person could listen to. Now you’ve just got your head in the sand.
Al has no secret plan, and you know it as well as the rest of us. He’s going to settle for whomever is desperate enough to take the jobs still left to be filled, and based on what we’ve seen so far virtually every single one of those coaches will come from a losing program. He will then tell us that the coaches he’s chosen were his first choices all along, and we will all know that isn’t true. He will meddle in coach/player relations just like he always does, undermining his head coach and creating general choas within the team. He will insist that his DC implement his famous “built backwards” defense that has performed so spectacularly for the past several years. And so on.
Tom Cable is loyal. Big deal. Tom Cable’s Raiders got blown out each and every time they played a good team this year. Denver? Fired the coach, and the defense sucked. Houston? Fired their entire defensive staff after the season. Tampa? See: Denver. Tom Cable loves the Raiders. Terrific. So do I, but I’m not qualified to coach ‘em. Tom Cable is a freakin’ cheerleader, BHP. We don’t need cheerleaders; we’ve got Raiderettes for that. We need football coaches.
Don’t even bother to tell me that it’s all speculation and I don’t know what I’m talking about. We have six consecutive years of proof of what I’m saying here, and it’s right there on the football field for all to see. Including you.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Florida Pete for GM!….you are a freaking genious.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:48 am
The process of selecting assistance is way overblown. If these guys were that critical to success then why do they move around so much?
The head coach is Cable and that is about all of the continuity we need. Cable communicates well with Mr Davis and he has had a positive impact on getting the right players to do the right thing.(If that means Huff is a nickel back so be it).
Coaching comes in a distant second to player talent when it comes to wins and losses.
The cold hard reality is that the team GM and owners have the largest impact on this aspect of team management.
The determining factor to our progress will be the April draft. Our last two have been pretty good.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:48 am
sorry- assistants
January 25th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Any here watched USA vs Sweden at Home Depot Center on tv last night?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:06 am
nope
January 25th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Charlie… The recent turnarounds of the Ravens, Falcons and Dolphins completely contradict what you’re saying about coaching “coming in a distant second to player talent when it comes to wins and losses”. The reversal of fortune for the Dallas Cowboys underscores the importance of coaching as well, only in the other direction. They are as talented as any team in the league, but the ineptness of their coaching staff has made that talent virtually useless.
The Raiders’ inability to find and/or stick with a coach, staff and philosophy has resulted in them having the worst record in the NFL over the past six seasons.
Coaching matters. Ask the Patriots. Better yet, ask the players on the Dolphins, Falcons and Ravens.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:21 am
[...] Not sure what all the fuss is about. Everything I have read, suggests that Cable is the guy and it is merely hasn’t been announced yet. So what? In short we HAVE a HC and Al merely has to remove the interim label. Now DC is still a huge question mark. See D-coordinator candidates a mystery – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the hig… [...]
January 25th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I am not saying coaching is not a factor. It is just not any where near as important as talent. Dallas is not that talented. Many overhyped, overpayed players with reps established at combines or during past seasons due to Jerry Jones meddling similar to what we have experienced in Oakland.(Talent = physical capabilities and the mental faculties to apply them while staying out of jail)
The other examples you cited all have solid line of scrimmage talent or acquired it last year(Miami).
Do you really think that all of the coaching changes we have been through point to coaching inadequacy?
I would argue that our talent is bad especially along the lines of scrimmage.
If you have solid line play and a decent QB you win in this league. Simple as that.
The story line of every NFL franchise is that the Onwer and GM who are responsible for talent acquisition point to poor coaching if a team does not win. When did you ever hear an owner or GM say “we just do not have enough talent to compete”? Never.
Coaches are largely scapegoats for poor talent selection.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Do we have a coach yet?
January 25th, 2009 at 9:06 am
No Coach ! Just a Moronic Owner !
January 25th, 2009 at 9:16 am
PFT, has a story about us sharing a stadium with the 9′ers.. finally some logic in the bay area..
January 25th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Do we hava coach yet?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Do we a have a game this week?
January 25th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dakota the turd complains that we didn’t hire a coach. If we hried a coach the first week, he would say Davis should’ve taken his time and interviewed all the candidates after the conference finals. Dakota is a whiny turd.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am
# La Milicia Negra Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:16 am
PFT, has a story about us sharing a stadium with the 9′ers.. finally some logic in the bay area..
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LMN talking about logic? thats an insult to logic.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:00 am
So to bay area citizens.. wasnt meant like that… I just mean, 2 worn down staduims and 2 teams that need a spark..
So Finally!! =)
January 25th, 2009 at 10:01 am
that should have been sorry to bay area citizens…
I hate this Keyboard :/
January 25th, 2009 at 10:03 am
My pet name for Dakotex is WHINY TURD.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:04 am
After Al announces The Cable Guy has been named head coach, what are you shut-ins going to snivle about?…all you have in your miserable lives is whining about how the Raiders havent hired the latest yes-man,…you losers should pray that Al doesnt announce anything til Napa,…if he does, you all are in real trouble,..you might even have to go outside!
January 25th, 2009 at 10:06 am
LMN,…seeing how I go to every home game, if we share a stadium with the 9rs, Im cool with that because it will be in my home town of beautiful Santa Clara,…and since I will be at every game, I will leave my seat good and ready for the 9r guy who has it for their games,..its called diahrea.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am
“i am impressed with this guy… i think he’s prepared… i think he will surround himself with good people… i think he commands respect…
Al Davis knows he’s the guy…”
Who President Obama?
Oh, Cable, well maybe he can be a savior too. God knows the Raiders need one.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:11 am
“Another day at the Faider Comedy Central Network”
“Still the Biggest Joke in the NFL”
All the good Head Coach prospects are finding other jobs. Lets face it, Al Bundy Davis wants a Head Coach he can control, or in other words a “Company Man”.
The word has been out for awhile, from sportscasters to former Faider Players. They all say the same thing over and over, “just stay away from the Faiders” !!
The prospects that were interviewed, they never waited for the second interview. They hooked up with another team quickly. Whats that telling you Faider Fans !!
Just Sell or Die Baby……………..and so it is !!
January 25th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Aaron Curry with the #7 pick. Better prospect than Patrick Willis, has all the tools to be a dominate LB.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:21 am
*dominant
January 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am
whats with all the coaching staff talk but not head coach talk. Can we get the main piece first. At least make it look like he had something to do with HIS own staff. No wonder no one wants the head coaching job in oakland
January 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Hmmm, City of Industry oks infrastructure for new Los Angeles Stadium and the NFL reacts by suggesting the 49′ers and Raiders share a stadium. Interesting timing. Hmmm. LOL No NFL money needed so they have no control.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Chargers going to LA. It’s a done deal.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Chargers are not going to L.A. They are staying put, unless they pay AD his $35 mil AFC territorial rights the NFL has not given back from the move to L.A. It’s the NFC teams that have a free ride to the new stadium.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Davis will never share a stadium after the NFL tried to force him to live with the Rams, it won’t happen. A more likely outcome would be Davis moving the team to Industry.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Hey I see Norco finnaly showed up again.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:51 am
The NFL hates privatly funded stadiums because there is no tax revenue from the citizens, something Davis tried to get done twenty years ago.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Exla, Hard to see a judge agreeing with someone voluntarily vacating an area 15 years ago yet still retaining rights to that territory. That would be the equivalent of the Brooklyn Dodgers trying to extort money out of the new New York Mets stadium deal. Not that it can’t happen, I’m sure that is a very exclusive area of law, and I am not qualified to expound on it. One reason no one has come forward is they don’t want to get into a multi million dollar legal battle with Davis over it, I agree with that.
All that being said, the Dischargers have given legal notice to both the Stadium and City and County of San Diego that they are out of their lease and not renewing. There are no plans on the board for any new stadium in San Diego and in the last 15 years young people have rallied around the Discharge in San Diego, LA and Orange Counties. It’s kind of a no brainer really. The team has been winning recently, the SD market is no comparison to the LA market, the team originated in SD, there is enough money in LA to get the deal done, there is really only one thing impeding the entire thing: a guy named Al Davis.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Al needs a DC that can successfully coach a 1960’s style D in today’s NFL… The job qualifications are: i)be a miracle worker, ii)have tons of luck, and iii) be on the good side of the refs so they let our d guys hold ala Lester Hays….Or, Al could wake up and smell the coffee and realize the Cold War is over and the game has evolved….
January 25th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Oakglenn
The Chargers originated in Los Angeles in the old AFL days. Maybe that’s what you meant to say.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Lester Hayes didn’t hold people, although he did use stick ‘em.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Did Al Davis coach the LA Chargers?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Acey, that was exactly what I meant to say. Thank you for that correction.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:06 am
If Al coached the LA Chargers then he has the rights to LA. Can’t go wrong with that line of thinking.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Hays didn’t hold people just like Tatum didn’t aim for the head…
January 25th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Hey Norco remember you said Gruden’s time in Oakland was unbearable because Al chewed him out in front of his family for loosing the AFC title game in 2000? How do you explain what Gruden actually said about his time in Oakland. Are you insinuating Gruden uses a company line because he was a company man as a coach you so dispise? I have been waiting since yesterday for your response or are you going back into hibernation from the facts. “There seems to be some people that want to say that I had a bad experience there (Norco). I didn’t have a bad experience there, I had a good experience there. And again, I had a good experience there” John Gruden. Still waiting on your proof Gruden hated Oakland Norco, its been two days now.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/25/SP0M14V36B.DTL
January 25th, 2009 at 11:09 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 6:41 am
# Come On Man Says:
January 24th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“LMN makes all these statements about Martindale and Milliard are friends of Al Davis so there is no way they will be fired and in less than a week both are gone.”
As if LMN would ever admit to be wrong, about anything. This is the very same moron that shouts to the roof tops when others are wrong and even ridicules them. But he disappears whenever he is wrong, just long enough to make up some nonsense or act like something got lost in the translation. Every excuse except “I was wrong”
Come on man!
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“Our favorite Liar is back!!!!
First I said they should have been fired several years ago, and Isaid since they haven’t they must be friends of AL…
They were, If Martindale hadn’t said he was HC candidate he most likely would have been our DC today..
Secondly, Mr Liar… I said it ONCE… “all these statements” as you write is plain wrong..
Third, I admit they were gone less than a week after that statement, but at that time they both were in Als corner – so to me its an honest mistake..
Fourth, you should thank me, hadn’t I said they were friends of Al, they might be running our joint…how sick would that be?? lol..
Fifth, its rather pathetic if this is all you got, is this your ammunition?? lol, you must really don’t like me, if you go several days back to find something to shoot down.. lol, you seem as a pathetic little boy…”
LMN
How stupid are you? I am not BHP Mr Dumbass. It doesn’t matter, all you did was prove my point anyway. Thanks for that. Idiot.
Come on man!
January 25th, 2009 at 11:11 am
San Diego will keep the Chargers. Davis has always said the NFL forced him out of LA because of the stadium issue. Davis will take them back to court if they try and stop hin from moving back there in a year.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Al Davis was offensive end coach under Sid Gillman for the L.A. Chargers in 1960 and the San Diego Chargers in 1961. Guess he has the rights. LOL
January 25th, 2009 at 11:16 am
What in the hell does an Offensive end coach do?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Oakglenn
That’s what I thought you meant, you seem to know your sh1t.
On another note, I am lmao at this Come On Man character. He really let LMN have it, very funny. I have to say that I agree with this guy, so many people on here are never wrong and LMN seems to be the king.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Al does not have the rights according to the most recent litigation but isn’t it interesting that the timing is working out in Al’s favor? Al will jump at the chance for a new stadium the NFL had denied the Raiders in the past.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:17 am
The truth of the matter is Davis can claim that the league forced him out of LA but proving it in court will be a different story. A Especially 15+ years later when some of the players are no longer alive. And I don’t mean the football players. Bottom line is if you are doing a $700mm stadium deal and you give Davis $30mm for the LA rights, it becomes a $730mm stadium deal. Not out of the realm of possibility. Now, almost anyone I know would rather pay $2-4mm in legal fees and try to win the case. Gotta like those odds.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Hitman
Here’s a thought, maybe learn to spell the name of the person that you think you know so much about.
Until then, please don’t speak about stuff that you aren’t informed about.
You probably don’t even realize that I am talking to you.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Oakglenn it won’t matter, the lease is up just in time for the new stadium and they cannot prevent Al from moving back there. They are also talking like they want two teams again.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:20 am
$730mm is actually on the low end as far as costs for a new stadium in this day and age. Try more like $930mm and that is still on the low end.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Davis build a stadium in Hollywood park with private funding and the NFL got pissed, thats what started the whole LA stadium mess.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Only thing the Court ruled was that AD had to honor his lease in Oakland until it expired. Did not rule on territory.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:22 am
But they did rule in favor of Al twice on moving. There is nothing they can do to stop him.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:24 am
In LA a bad Raider team would still generate 40,000 in attendence compared to Oaklnd’s 20,000, where do you think the NFL will want the team?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:24 am
FFF, you are going under the assumption that the team, the league, and the City and County of LA would all be in favor of that. I would have a REAL HARD TIME believing any ONE of them would be in favor of it, more or less all three.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Mike Waufle is OK. But I prefer Ted Pancakes.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:30 am
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 11:24 am
In LA a bad Raider team would still generate 40,000 in attendence compared to Oaklnd’s 20,000, where do you think the NFL will want the team?
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I would highly disagree with that as well. Two years ago, coming off a 2-14 season, the Raiders opened at home in the Coliseum and when the Oakland Raiders ran into the Coliseum 65,000 fans were all on their feet, screaming their heads off!!!! OVER A 2-14 team!!! That, would not happen in LA in 10 million years. The Raiders don’t sell 20,000 tickets to games. And If you are going to tell me the Raiders are going to sell 80,000 tickets right now in LA coming off 6 straight 10 loss seasons, let’s end the conversation right now.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Let em know Oakglenn
January 25th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Wow. It takes a scenario of moving the team to LA to make Oakglenn realize just how serious 6 straight losing seasons is. Whatever it takes, I guess. Welcome to the real world, Oak.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Clark
do us all a favor and take a permanent family vacation!
January 25th, 2009 at 11:36 am
The issue with LA is it’s not like the Raiders are Los Angeles’ only option. They have probably 6 teams realistically. The Vikings, Bills, Whiners and Chargers just to name a few, not to mention expansion options. The Rams would be a much better option going back to LA than the Raiders. Every one of those teams have some momentum, could move into LA WITHOUT TONS OF BAGGAGE, and would probably be better options for both the City, the fans and the team. Honestly.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Sorry but I went to games in LA and they always had over 30,000 in attendence and averaged around 40,000 during the bad years. I know you would like them to stay in Oakland but from all the reports the Raiders on one of three teams high on their list and the league would like two teams in the LA market.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Well, “Clark”, it’s not that I don’t realize the Raiders have had 6 losing seasons. 6 very bad losing seasons. In fact, it probably pains me more than anyone else. The difference between me and some of the others in here is basically all my attention and effort is in getting this team better. Not bitching and whining. Bitching, moaning and whining does not make the team better.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Florida Pete, Tom Cable understands the Raider tradition and is going to build with the lines? Uhm, somebody tell the piece of swamp trash that Al Davis believes in building teams from the perimeter on in..
Florida Pete, stop talking football. The more you do it, the dumber you look.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Oakglenn, what you do is make suggestions leaving Al Davis out of the equation. Then when anyone does bring up the fact that the team will never win with Al micromanaging, which is a fact, you accuse them of bitching and whining. Speaking of bitches, how is your mom?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Hayes. There, I learned to spell it. Now what, are you going to give me gay classes to?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Oakglenn, how many tricks did your mom turn today?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 11:36 am
“Sorry but I went to games in LA and they always had over 30,000 in attendence and averaged around 40,000 during the bad years. I know you would like them to stay in Oakland but from all the reports the Raiders on one of three teams high on their list and the league would like two teams in the LA market.”
Bro, where do you get your attendance numbers, they are so wrong?! Check your source or maybe do some actual research instead of pulling random numbers out of your ass.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:43 am
lmao @ Hitman
January 25th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Took you long enough, lol
January 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Acey40Deuce, were you born gay, or was it something you and Oakglenn realized while camping together?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am
FFF, again, you are not addressing the point. I went to games in LA as well. Games here sell out. Even with a bad team. That is not going to happen in LA. But Again, regardless of what you believe, you have to understand it would take the NFL, the Raiders, and the City and County of Los Angeles to ALL AGREE that it would be in ALL their best interests to move there. The Raiders for one, are not going to do that. that do not feel it is in their best interests to do that. If they did, they would not have left. 2ndly, the Rams, and Dischargers are MUCH better options for LA, the league and those prosective teams. So are the 49ers. Just the facts.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Well, I learn fasts okay. Now, please be my spelling monkey and correct me every time I spell sumething wrong. Kisses.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Acey40Deuce, you have such a tough name. I take it you’re a butch? Tops?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Clark, you’re the one bitching. Why don’t you go change your tampon.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:47 am
time to ignore Maddenria, errrr “clark”.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Oakglenn, in the past 6 years, what has Al Davis done to convince you he can still build a Super Bowl winning team?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Clark
what an intelligent argument that you have formulated. Does your head hurt? I see that your lack of intellectual prowess has forced you to rely on childish insults because that’s all you got! Lmao, how sad.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Hey Acey are you that stupid? From 1988 to 1993 the Raiders attendance was 96% of the league average. In Oakland its droppedf to 85% “The Raiders have never done as well as they did in LA and I would imagine you could charge higher ticket prices in LA.”
LMFAO Read this and weep Oakglenn and Acey.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/last_days_of_the_raiders/Content?oid=820946&showFullText=true
January 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Hitman
You are the one who chooses to speak on subjects that you are ill informed about, not me.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Raiders are moving back to Los Angeles, btw. LA fans are dumb enough to flood into the stadium even when the team loses. People up here are too smart for that. In LA, Al can charge fans through the roof and they’ll still show up in droves to show off their fruity costumes. Most of the fans that go to the games in Oakland are from LA. The bay’s about money. People up here feel insulted when someone tries to hustle them. That’s why Al gets no love. But in LA, everyone gets hustled and they like it. Guess it’s the weather. LOL.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Al Davis has convinced me it’s time for you to change your tampon Maddenraide, errr clark.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Yeah eddie the hitman anderson, i still remember that 87 yard interception return, thats how free safety is supposed to be played. the hit on jesse hester against the colts, broke the dudes ribs.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am
eddie anderson and derrick hoskins,
January 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Like what dud? that 20 years DBs were allowed a lot more contact than today? please ace, my point is that hays held,, not because he was cheating, but because it was allowe…now please be a gay moneky and correct my spelling. thanx honey.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am
FFF, I actually love the East Bay Express. solid leftist paper. They were really against the Raiders coming here, for the reasons all communities are not building stadiums right now. I do not consider them an authority on pro sports and certainly NOT the Raiders.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am
“Hey Acey are you that stupid? From 1988 to 1993 the Raiders attendance was 96% of the league average. In Oakland its droppedf to 85% “The Raiders have never done as well as they did in LA and I would imagine you could charge higher ticket prices in LA.”
LMFAO Read this and weep Oakglenn and Acey.
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/last_days_of_the_raiders/Content?oid=820946&showFullText=true”
FFF
How stupid are you? Do the math genius, and get back to me.
85% of 62,500 is 53, 125 not 20,000 idiot!
Also 40,000 seats sold out of 90,000 is less than 50% genius. Like I said, do the math genius.
The LA Coliseum where the Raiders used to play had a capacity of 90,000. Something that would know if you actually did research before spouting off at the mouth as if you actually know what you are talking about.
It’s always the stupidest person that questions other’s intelligence.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am
The City of Los Angeles and their stupid politions and Coliseum Commission have no say in the matter. That’s what drove AD away the last time. Similar to the false promises of Oakland.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Hitman
whatever you need to tell yourself. Just do me a favor and leave me out of your little gay fantasies and stop calling me honey. It’s creepy.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am
excuse the spelling
January 25th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Oakglenn, it’s not hard to be an authority on the Raiders. All you have to do is realize the game has passed Al Davis by, and people who still support him are retarded. If the East Bay Express has that down, and they do, then they’re an authority on the Raiders.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:56 am
lmao
January 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am
FFF, what you keep ignoring is the fact that the team that left Oakland for LA was the most successful, feared team in all of sport. The one that returned, was a shell of it’s former self, with a disinterested fan base more interested in wearing outlandish costumes and making spectacles of themselves than watching football. The team that left had won 10 or more games a year for over a decade! The one that returned lost all it’s mojo and was mediocre. And if you think that is somehow lost on the Raiders and their organization, again, let’s end the conversation right here.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Oakglenn how long have you been a fan? If you have been one as long as I have you know how Davis feels about getting a new stadium. Oakland is on the clock, with a old stadium that is still 164 million in debt, to get a new stadium built for the Raiders, it won’t happen there.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am
so who the raiders gonna draft, pro football weekly says its maclin,
January 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am
so funny to see all of these troll scramble, very entertaining.
They lose every argument and then rely on childish insults and the like. So predictable but yet still so funny.
Thanks fellas
January 25th, 2009 at 11:58 am
The best team the Raiders have ever fielded was in LA Oakglenn.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:58 am
FFF
Numbers don’t lie, you do, to suit your ill informed argument.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Once again this is maddenloser and his trolly troll friends trying to entice a fight with name calling and stupidity. Best thing to do is ignore them and discuss real Raider issues. Moving to LA is not a Raider issue.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Acey a half filled 90,000 capacity stadium is around 45,000, get a grip man.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 11:58 am
The best team the Raiders have ever fielded was in LA Oakglenn
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Now, dude is bordering on preposterous. First he was silly, now he has devolved into insane.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
People up here are too smart for that.
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hahahahahaha
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Moving out of Oakland is a very near Raider issue as in 2010.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Oakglenn
You are correct sir. It’s obvious who the troll is. It’s still fun to ruffle his feathers and get him all worked up. It is just so easy.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
dont sweat the spelling exla, there’s a spelling milf in here that will correct it if you make a mistake.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Acey what this knucklehead does not understand is Davis moved the team back for a reason. He had options to remain in LA. He didn’t want to stay in LA. The team sucked in LA. End of story.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
The 83′ Raiders were the best team they ever produced, period.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
“Acey a half filled 90,000 capacity stadium is around 45,000, get a grip man.”
This doesn’t even make sense fool. You said earlier that when the Raiders played in LA there was 40,000 people there. Which is less than 50% of capacity. Do you understand?!
Talk about getting a grip, damn man.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Oakglenn nobody was ever afraid of the Raiders. Are you really this stupid? People don’t make it to the NFL because they’re afraid of getting hit by Jack Tatum. Every player in the league then had taken a crack at some point in their football lives from the mean Jack Tatum in their home town. The Raiders won football games because they had good football players and good coaches, and a good personnel guy in Ron Wolf. Sure, the Raiders pushed the envelope on nasty play, as did some other teams (raiders were vilified for it due to Davis v. Rozelle), but if all they did was deliver late hits and party, they’d probably be 4-12 every year…gee, like today!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
They wouldn’t build him a new stadium in LA.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
we never got to see Bo Jackson in Oakland, thats why the raiders have only had 3 playoff teams since the return, in 1995 bo wouldve been everything oakland needed to return to the playoffs for a serious run at a super bowl. its too bad that had to happen, 6 carries 77 yards. broken hip. then howie retires, oakland had to rebuild that team too, al drafted leon bender and he passed away, i hope oakland never goes to to los angeles.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Hitman
I corrected your stupidity which including talking smack about someone that you didn’t even know how to spell their name. Grow up. Just stop including me in your gay rhetoric and stop calling me honey, it’s sickening.
EXLA is a proven intelligent person. It isn’t about typos, it’s about intelligence. Something you clearly lack.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Moving out of Oakland is a very near Raider issue as in 2010.
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Let me look. Wow, guys it’s 2009. If a team was going to move in 2010, wouldn’t there be a lot of plans already in place that somehow, we would all know about??? Doesn’t that make sense??? I think this troll thinks Davis is going to play Raider home games in the Vaughns parking lot on Sepulveda. Dudes a joke. Time to move on.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Nice post Mose, nice to see some intelligence contributed to the conversation.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Yep and I said 40,000 is alot better than 20,000 in Oakland, there moving out and there is nothing you can do about it. If most NFL stadiums have at least 60,000 capacity then whats 96% of that? What the Raiders averaged in LA from 88-93, which is higher than what I stated, nimwit.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Yeah the plans happen to be developing in LA and not in Oakland, sad for you.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Mose, let’s not forget Eric Turner, the All Pro Safety dying. Think we could have used an All Pro Safety in the late 90’s??? How’s about Leon Bender, a real nice 2nd round DE dying?? We have had some weird bad breaks in the last 10 years. But, we’ll get better. We’re already getting better.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“Yep and I said 40,000 is alot better than 20,000 in Oakland, there moving out and there is nothing you can do about it. If most NFL stadiums have at least 60,000 capacity then whats 96% of that? What the Raiders averaged in LA from 88-93, which is higher than what I stated, nimwit.”
I don’t have the patience to explain it to you again moron. Good luck in life, you clearly need it.
ok lets try this again:
85% of 62500 is over 53,000 not 20,000! Damn you are dense.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
And that’s what we’re missing today, Oakglenn. Our Ron Wolf. Who is the Raiders’ Ron Wolf today, Oakglenn? Go ahead, give me a name in the organization that’s as valuable to us today as Wolf was in the ’70s. This is going to be hilarious…
January 25th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
When you start getting 20,000 goons showing up for games its time to move.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I’m out of here, these idiots are a huge waste of time.
Good luck Mose, EXLA and Oakglenn, you will need it trying to have an intelligent conversation with these morons.
Throw some facts in the face of their blatant misinformation and/or lies and they will rely on their only weapon, childish insults that I haven’t heard since grade school.
I feel sorry for their parents, how can anyone be proud of that?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
They can raise the ticket prices in LA and still get more attendance than they do in Oakland by lowering the ticket prices.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
“When you start getting 20,000 goons showing up for games its time to move.”
Again, you aren’t making any sense. So now you are trying to tell me that you were just talking about goons at the game? That’s so lame bro.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Acey is getting all pissy, boo hoo.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
FFF
The Raiders sold out 6 of their 8 games at home this year, and the Raiders were not a winning team.
Just so you know the phrase “sold out” means they sold every one of the 62,500 tickets.
You must be a glutton for punishment, because you keep setting yourself up to be proven wrong!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Yeah the plans happen to be developing in LA and not in Oakland, sad for you.
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Certainly not sad for me. In fact it is good for LA. Problem is for them to open that stadium in 2011 or 2012, they will have to break ground basically immediately. And who is going to do that with out a major tenant?? Which major tenant could commit to moving there immediately??? Well, Chargers have given notice, Whiners play in a stadium that makes the Oakland Coliseum look like the Taj Mahal, The Vikings are ready, willing an able to move, probably should look there first. They came here to Oakland to talk and Roski was told the Raiders are not interested. If you want the Raiders in LA, it’s sucks for you.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I grow impatient of the continued idiocy on this blog.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
i remember watching the raider closely from about 1987 to this time, i hate some of the fools in this blog talking trash i know that, but anyways, when the raiders lost to the bills in the afc championship in 1990 51-3, the time to rebuild was on, marinovich wasted his talent but he played against the chiefs, in the last game of the 1991 season and i believe the playoff game the next week, he played good in the final regular season game but we still lost, timmy brown finally started showing his worth as a reciever, he also had a terrible knee injury in his first game of the second season, so it took him some time. what im getting at, is when we got back to oakland, hostetler was past his prime, our o-line was not great, harvey williams,napoleon kaufman, derrick fenner, were the backs, tim brown and james jett were the recievers, we scored points, but our defense was terrible, i remember patrick bates lasted a year lol number one pick, but al finally got the players and coaches to succeed, since weve went to the super bowl in 2002, only the pats, colts, steelers have been to the bowl in the afc. dont feel so bad about our raiders they will be back in 2010 to win the division,
January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
The stadium is in a slum. Graffiti is on everything not covered up or inside a building.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
# Clark Griswold Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
And that’s what we’re missing today, Oakglenn. Our Ron Wolf. Who is the Raiders’ Ron Wolf today, Oakglenn? Go ahead, give me a name in the organization that’s as valuable to us today as Wolf was in the ’70s. This is going to be hilarious…
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MaddenRaider we have refuted this very argument at least 5,000 times on this blog. Yaaaaaawwwwn. You bore me. time to go.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
FASSEL STILL IN JOB-HUNTING MODE
Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 25, 2009, 12:06 p.m.
Former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel has yet to spark the interest of Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis despite sending Davis a letter asking to be interviewed for the team’s head-coaching position, the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
“I think I know as much about the organization as any coach out there and can do what it takes to make the Raiders great again,” Fassel said.
A former NFL Coach of the Year, Fassel has struggled to find NFL employment since being fired by the Baltimore Ravens as offensive coordinator in 2006. Known for his past work with quarterbacks Kerry Collins, Phil Simms and John Elway, Fassel has a prior stint as the Raiders’ offensive coordinator.
John Fassel, Fassel’s son, was recently promoted by Davis to coach the Raiders’ special teams.
Fassel reportedly had a “terrific” interview with the St. Louis Rams, but that job went to Steve Spagnuolo.
Of course, the growing trend in the NFL to go with younger, unproven coaches could be working against Fassel, 59, as well.
Among the recent NFL hires who didn’t have prior head coaching experience: Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Tony Sparano, Ken Whisenhunt, Rex Ryan, Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, Raheem Morris, Jim Caldwell and Mike Singletary.
The article points out that four coaches with a total of five Super Bowl rings (Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Tony Dungy and Mike Holmgren) have either left or been fired from their jobs since the season ended.
That’s a ton of institutional experience sitting at home, and it will be extremely interesting to see what happens in the 2010 hiring cycle when Bill Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden and others are expected to be heavily pursued for sideline gigs.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
NFL ASKS 49ERS, RAIDERS TO LOOK INTO SHARING STADIUM
Posted by Josh Alper on January 25, 2009, 11:30 a.m.
With both Bay Area NFL teams looking for and failing to find new stadiums in a rough economic climate, the NFL is asking the 49ers and Raiders to discuss joining forces to construct a new venue to house each team.
“The NFL has encouraged us to explore the possibility of a two-team facility to address the economics” of building a new stadium, 49ers president Jed York said in an interview with MediaNews this week. “I think it’s important you look at all of your options. If that’s a possibility, that’s certainly something we’ll explore.”
There is a blueprint available for a joint stadium venture. The Jets and Giants are currently building a new stadium, set to open for the 2010 season, at the Meadowlands in New Jersey. The total cost, $1.6 billion, is being split between the teams and the venue will use video technology to cover the facility in each team’s colors and logos when they are hosting games.
“It just makes much more economic sense for two teams to be in one building, if you can get through, well, we call it the ‘Blue’ and the ‘Green’ issues,” said Giants CEO John Mara. “Out there, it would be the ‘Black and Silver’ and the ‘Crimson’ issues.”
The NFL provided $300 million to help the teams build the stadium. That’s more than they usually provide for new construction, but the shared burden as well as the enhanced revenue provided by doubling the home dates made it feasible for the league.
The 49ers have been looking into a stadium site in Santa Clara, which could work for both teams. There are direct rail links from both San Francisco and Oakland and they’ve already done a lot of groundwork in terms of environmental impact studies. Those are for one team, though, and the addition of a second set of home dates could raise complaints from local residents, according to MediaNews.
The Santa Clara project is budgeted at $916 million, and it is difficult to see each team being able to finance a stadium at that cost by themselves. Raiders owner Al Davis is notoriously hard to deal with, something that some see as a stumbling block to any potential partnership, but while the Raiders won’t comment on the deal, specifically, they won’t close the door either.
“There seems to be a perception, fostered in large part by the media, that the 49ers and the Raiders have an adversarial business relationship and that perception is wrong,” said Amy Trask, the Raiders chief executive. “We enjoy working on league business matters with the 49ers and our two organizations have a shared respect for one another.”
If the two teams did join forces to build a stadium in the Bay Area, it would be a blow to Ed Roski’s efforts to bring a team to Los Angeles. The developer recently announced plans to build a stadium in Industry, part of Los Angeles County, and both the 49er and Raiders have been considered potential tenants.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Oakglenn
Take over from here. These idiots need to be set staright and I no longer have the patience for such stupidity. I commend you for fighting the good fight.
I’m off to go play 18 holes with my hot wife and enjoy the sunshine.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
CARDINALS’ HALEY: ‘I LOVE MY JOB’
Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 25, 2009, 10:41 a.m.
As speculation continues to swirl that Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley could ultimately emerge as the Kansas City Chiefs’ new coach after initial reports centering on Mike Shanahan, Haley made it sound as if he has little, if any desire to leave the Valley of the Sun.
“Like I’ve told everybody else, I love my job here,” Haley told the Arizona Republic. “I love the guy I work for (Ken Whisenhunt) and the guys I work with, and I love the guys I coach.
“I’ve got five kids, so the last thing I’m thinking about is moving anywhere. I’m just enjoying what’s going on right here and the fact that we’ve been able to do something nobody else has been able to do.”
Of course, Haley naturally doesn’t want the focus to be on him as the Cardinals prepare to play the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl.
Plus, if Haley wants to work for Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli, a good rule of thumb for him is to not talk about Chiefs business. Kind of like that whole Fight Club thing.
Per the Republic, the Chiefs haven’t requested permission to talk with Haley yet. Any prospective interview wouldn’t take place until after the Super Bowl.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Show your proof the Raiders turned down the offer from LA already, where is it?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
First of all the lease expires at the end of the 2010 season, not 2009. Second, I sat through all the remodeling promises in L.A. and was really miffed my seats were going to be Stadium Club Seats at 4 times the price. Then they took out the Olympic Running track and raised the playing field. Then they removed 13,000 seats on the peristyle end and erected the “Pirates Cove” the earlier Black Hole. All the time lying about the luxury boxes and amenities that would have really modernized the Coliseum and kept AD in L.A. Moved back to Oakland on the promise of politians. AD has regretted the move back since. In 1999 was going to move back but the Court ruled he had to honor his lease until it expired at the end of the 2010 season.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
“The stadium is in a slum. Graffiti is on everything not covered up or inside a building.”
And the LA Coliseum is in a nice neighborhood? Wow you are pretty stupid.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Eric Turner was a great raider, that was a sad day when i read that in the newspaper that he has passed.
we also had an ageing albert lewis, and terry mcdaniel who was good when he was in his prime. pro bowl.
the thing was rob fredrickson wasnt all that great of pick in round one, parick bates, marinovich, nick bell, chester was good but still a pain in the arse and a sellout, darrell russell, even mo collins and matt stinchcomb didnt last along time.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
The new stadium will not be near Watts.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Mose, that is EXACTLY right. Davis made a calculated gamble by trying to “reload” after the last Super Bowl loss, with Kerry Collins and Randy Moss. We should have torn it down then and rebuilt. That’s the bad news. The good news is we now have some very promising young players to build around and the franchise has bottomed out and on it’s way back to the top of the division.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Come On Man I figured you smarter than that.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Oakglenn… Just because you and others don’t know about plans for a move to LA in 2010 doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
Hell, we ARE going to hire a head coach in 2009, but we don’t even know the plan for that one. Some of us THINK we do, and make statements like, “The Raiders will do this. Bank on it.”
The fact is, unless your name is Al Davis you don’t KNOW anything. You just think you do.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
You should really call yourself “Stupidity from Idiocy”
January 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
napoleon kaufman retires early, what if steve wiznewski hadnt retired, would he have saved b-robb from his collapse,
did yall see the dame on monday night football when napoleon mccallum dislocated his knee, i about puked up spahgetti. greg robinson was another pick that got hurt his rookie year, forcing al to sign harvey williams who had 2 good years as a raider.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
that includes you Teach
January 25th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Roski never came to Oakland. And with the secrecy of the Raiders, all communication would have been back channel.
Oakglenn, are you Chris Mortenson? LOL just kidding, I’m outta here before you get personal.
Go Raiders.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Come On Man sounds like a man from San Fran to me. Do you grope your boyfriend in public to shock the tourist?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
PFT.com
Raiders radio man Greg Papa says Al Davis is fine with him criticizing the team.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
i think al truly, believed mike lombardi and norvel when he said Robert gallery was a unbustable pick, same with grove,
i think al made a great trade for moss, getting rid of napoleon harris, trading phillip buchanon to the texans for 2 picks haha, doug jolley to the jets for a high second haha, but he messed up the sam williams pick. he definantly tried to get reload with moss and collins, and jordan. only thing is those players all quit on al, collins didnt, but us as fans got tired of seeing him check down or throw the ball away lol, im happy we are rebuilding now,
Russell
Mcfadden
Bush
Schilens
Higgins
Miller thats alot of young talent thats getting much needed experience, this draft is vital for al to get some good players.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Insults: the fallback for a lack of anything intelligent to say.
If the shoe fits, Come on Man…
January 25th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Oakglenn is frantically searching for a link, that does not exist, to prove his myth that the Raiders have already turned down any offers from Roski or he has logged off in anger.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The Raiders’ denying something, as we have seen quite often lately, is hardly reliable.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
When people are leaving the organization for parallel or lesser positions….there’s a BIG problem. What I don’t get is why meddles with defence so much when he was an offensive oriented guy in his coaching career…was he not?
Like, I know Al is Al and does things HIS way…but after a while, wouldn’t even he admit that how he goes about his business isn’t getting it done? And you can only blame other people for so long?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
#257 is a very good and factual post. I forgot Davis tried to move them 1999 while still under contract, good one.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
cause when russell is on his game, he can complete any pass, when his o-line blocks good, he makes the right choices, when the running game clicks and the defense plays well the raiders win,
i dont mention fargas, because i think he part of that raider past, i like the way he plays and blocks on passing plays, he runs harder than anyone else, but he shouldnt be getting mcfadden and bush’s carrys. i just hope orenthal is doing well, we need that lead back.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
There are ALOT of TV’s in LA.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
i wonder if al will move micheal huff to corner, or trade him. dude is makin too much flow to be on the bench.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
It doesn’t matter. If I posted a link, you wouldn’t believe it any way. If you don’t remember Roski being here pitching LA three weeks ago, I can’t help your memory. As I said, there is not just one party in all of this. There are multiple parties all that would have to agree. The NFL does NOT WANT the Raiders in LA for a variety of reasons. What you guys all refuse to understand is there are probably fifty reasons for the Raiders NOT to move to LA, and fifty reasons for the Raiders to stay here. Which NO OTHER franchise has to overcome. What I would love is to see the officials of the City and County of LA coming forward saying they are ready, willing and able to embrace the Raiders with open arms. And the next question is why would they do that when they could have the Rams and/or the Chargers with no drama, litigation or problems or baggage.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am
FFF, I actually love the East Bay Express. solid leftist paper. They were really against the Raiders coming here, for the reasons all communities are not building stadiums right now. I do not consider them an authority on pro sports and certainly NOT the Raiders.
^^The East Bay Express is great because they call out corrupt politicians and the corrupt elite out on their collective bulls**t!
The teams that will look to move to LA and the city of industry deal will be the Discharger chokers, Raiders, Minnesota, and possibly the Niners and possibly Jacksonville.
With the league “urging” (which means telling them) the Niners and Raiders to seriously start talking about sharing a stadium together, then they damn well better listen. To me hat is the best option for both these teams and the bay area fans as a whole.
Think about it…the Niners will have a tough time convincing the citizens of Santa Clara to build that staduim. The Raiders will have a tough time convincing Dublin to play ball with them as well. The city of Oakland sure as hell can’t afford to be building any new stadiums in the next 5 years.
The old man will try to go to back to LA but the league may not want the Raiders down there. Tagliabue told the city of San Diego that they won’t get anymore Super Bowls unless they build a new stadium and that city is in debt also and the citizens were already ripped off by the politicians and John Moores with the stadium they built for the Padres.
I think it’s going to be the Chargers or Raiders that wind up in LA.
If the Raiders want to stay here then they better start having rational conversations with the Niners about sharing a state of the art stadium like the G-Men and Jets are doing.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
So now Oakglenn your backpeddling on the Raiders turing down Roski with some long winded opinion you have of how you would like the events to unfold. Where did you get your information on the Raiders turning down a stadium offer in Industry? Where is it Oakglenn? Saying nobody will believe you is a cop out for not knowing what you are talking about. Sounds like from your view Roski came to Oakland first with his deal, which further validates what everyone already knows about Davis moving the Raiders somewhere in 2011.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
The part going under the radar is that they want two teams in Industry.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Good afternoon dear friends,..suffering through some crappy java at La Bou to get some free wifi….whats new?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
As I said earlier,..Im all for a shared stadium with the 9rs,..Im in the minority here,..Im not a 9r hater like most Raider fans,…I go to 1 or 2 games a year at the stick,…no big deal,…and the best part is the stadium will be in my home town of Santa Clara,…dont live there currently but will consider a move back if deal goes down.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Speaking of free wifi,..there will come a day, maybe in 5 years or so,..when all internet access is free,..its a f*ckin crime that there is an industry charging for it,…paying for internet access and our screens bombarded with advertising,..total bullsh*t.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
My contact in Alameda did confirm to me the Raider game in dallas next season is on Thanksgiving….I of course will be there.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
And another thng,..got my tix for Slipknot at ARCO in March,…that gig will rock.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
The idiots playing rap near us at Raider tailgates suck,..we drown them out with old school metal,..thrash metal.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Norco I posted a link you can read about Gruden that settles your fiction that his time in Oakland was unbearable. Try not to get too angry and attack the facts with insults.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I told you bud I am aware of all the praise he gave the Raiders,..you didnt post anything I didnt already know…lol.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
However old friend,..you seem to not look deep into what the real issue was regarding Jons entire stay in Oakland,…feel free to ask and I will be happy to help you out,…always glad to help out a fellow Raider fan,..even one that doesnt go to all home games.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
For the newcomers, Oakglenn thinks Davis has turned down any offers that Industry might have thrown his way at the same time reports are surfacing Davis will listen to any stadium offers involving the 49ers, try not to burst out laughing.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
The very best case scanrio would be for Jon and Bruce to return,..with the assurance, in writing, that Al would stay away,..just enjoy the games from the owners box, like an owner should.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Norco just trying to nip in the bud any more conflict over issues we disagree on.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Fact,..I can tell you that the whole stadium stuff is being handled by Trask,..and shes in discussions with the Yorks regarding Santa Clara,…but my opinion is that both would rather have own stadiums,…no new stadiums for either within the next 15 years or so.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Looks like Davis has no choice now and has to stay away because he can’t walk at all anymore.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Ok fact,…but I never disputed Jon gave praise,..evenm recently,..Jon wil ldo the same with the Bucs,…thats his style,..what he says in private is quite different.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Als leg probs havent kept him away,..he works that motorized wheelchair fine,..and loves his golf cart,…sucks getting old my friend, we will struggle to walk at some point in our lives also.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
As I said earlier,..Im all for a shared stadium with the 9rs,..Im in the minority here,..Im not a 9r hater like most Raider fans,…I go to 1 or 2 games a year at the stick,…no big deal,…and the best part is the stadium will be in my home town of Santa Clara,…dont live there currently but will consider a move back if deal goes down.
^^Norco,
The Raiders and Niners sharing a stadium in Santa Clara
just seems to rational and smart doesn’t it?
It seems as though that would be the smartest BUSINESS decision these two teams can do to each get what they want.
Sometimes the easy and most rational decision is to hard for egomaniacs to consider.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Just like the last ten years or more. I still see visions of Davis floating over the practice field barking out orders to the db’s from his gravity machine.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Dangit,..La Bou is closing,..gotta run,..catch ya all later,..and dont trip on no hc,…no game anytime soon,..let the rest of the league be in a hurry and hire the wrong guy…(Denver)
January 25th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Norco, LA can handle a team till the new stadium is built but my point is whoever gets to Davis first with a good deal wins, and it won’t be the city of Oakland because they owe 164 million on a worn out stadium.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
rkknight01 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I think it’s going to be the Chargers or Raiders that wind up in LA.
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Exactly. I agree with that statement and I am not backpedaling at all. What I have said that no one seems to be able to refute is Al Davis cannot just unilaterally decide where he wants to play his home games, unless he wants to play them in the backyard of his home over on (whoops, almost said it) in Piedmont. So, there has to be an agreement amongst a TON of people. What I have said, is LA has waaaaaaaaaaay better options for teams than bringing Davis back. That’s a fact. And The Dischargers at this moment in time are a much better option for LA. The Dischargers, the politicos of LA, and the NFL all know it. Now, maybe some of you don’t believe it, but you better start accepting it.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Got a 10 minute stay,…litrle do they know though that I can still access from parking lot when they close,..they dont power off modem inside.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
good one MR. I agree. Actually, I had to post that one as MR just for old times sake!
January 25th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Fact,..I can tell you that the whole stadium stuff is being handled by Trask,..and shes in discussions with the Yorks regarding Santa Clara,…but my opinion is that both would rather have own stadiums,…no new stadiums for either within the next 15 years or so.
^^ Lets hope they are both talking and being rational about sharing a state of the art stadium, that will use digital technology to accomadate both teams needs on gameday. If both teams want stadiums in the next 5 years, then that may be their only shot.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
They are getting two teams in Industry not one.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
L.A. will not allow the Raiders back down there, ever,..and its got nothing to do with Davis,…comprende?…Al can die and they still will never invite them back,…do you people need me to tell you why or are you hip to what I mean?…look for an expansion team or maybe the Chargers.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
act From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
For the newcomers, Oakglenn thinks Davis has turned down any offers that Industry might have thrown his way at the same time reports are surfacing Davis will listen to any stadium offers involving the 49ers, try not to burst out laughing.
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This statement makes no sense. Try again.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I could see the Chargers and Raiders in Industry before anyone else unless they work out a deal with the 49ers, but Al hates to share a stadium which will be a factor.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
L.A. will not allow the Raiders back down there, ever,..and its got nothing to do with Davis,…comprende?…Al can die and they still will never invite them back,…do you people need me to tell you why or are you hip to what I mean?…look for an expansion team or maybe the Chargers.
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Norco I can’t say I have seen eye to eye with you on a lot of things but tell me why. I would like to know.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Davis has not turned down any offers, simple enough?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Darknight,..let me tell you something,..me and my friends go to every damn home game,…I never have ever heard once anyone complain about the place?…whats the prob with the coliseum?…whats this state of the art crap?…digital what?…wtf are you talking about man????????????…this is football dammit not some theme park,..if people dont like it screw them…it amazes me how damn gay football fans have become that they whine that the stadium isnt glossy enough,..enough already,..the coliseum rocks.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Division rivals in one stadium would be revolutionary to say the least lol.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Let me tell you one thing Glenn,..due to GANG ACTIVITY, the Raiders are no longer welcome in L.A.,…and never will be,…get it now?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I got word from a semi-solid contact in Alameda that the Raider will announce within a year that they will get a lease extension at the coliseum for like 10 yars or so,…they arent leaving the coliseum anytime soon,..I for one think thats great news.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
The city managers in L.A. basically can live without the NFL back there,..and they all will do whatever it takes to keep the Raiders out of there,…the LAPD,…hated the Raiders there,…they have a somewhat handle of things down there now and know they would lose it if the Raiders came back.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I gotta split,..cya.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
When do the leases of the other candidates expire like the Chargers and Rams? Viking fans are not going to let the team walk away quietly, I don’t see them moving and the Saints are now out of the picture as well. The fanbase is in place for California teams to move there though.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Norco, Davis tried to move out of Oakland in 1999, nothing has changed since then no matter what your sources say.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Let me tell you one thing Glenn,..due to GANG ACTIVITY, the Raiders are no longer welcome in L.A.,…and never will be,…get it now?
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Norco as I said I do not agree with you on a lot of things but this I COMPLETELY agree on. The NFL likes a squeaky clean image. The league prides itself on being good clean fun!! The entire gang element that now surrounds the Raiders is a product of LA and both the Raiders and the league really don’t like that image. The gang element that comprised a lot of the Coliseum fans in 1995 has ebbed a bit in the last 18 years which is probably a good thing.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Darknight,..let me tell you something,..me and my friends go to every damn home game,…I never have ever heard once anyone complain about the place?…whats the prob with the coliseum?…whats this state of the art crap?…digital what?…wtf are you talking about man????????????…this is football dammit not some theme park,..if people dont like it screw them…it amazes me how damn gay football fans have become that they whine that the stadium isnt glossy enough,..enough already,..the coliseum rocks.
^^ If I have to explain it to you…then I’m just wasting my time.
If you think the old man stubborn man is happy about his situation and stadium deal he got into with Oakland ….think again.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
And no, Davis did not try to move the team out of Oakland in 1999. There was a lawsuit stemming with the City and County about the failed seat license debacle. Those rumours were part of some legal rangling but was never serious. So, once again, now we have two very solid reasons why LA politicos will never take the Raiders back. Gang activity and the law suits that follow Davis wherever and whenever he goes.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
GARCIA ON GRUDEN: GOOD RIDDANCE
Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 25, 2009, 8:39 a.m.
It’s safe to say that Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia won’t be exchanging Christmas cards with former coach Jon Gruden in the wake of Gruden’s recent firing. As far as Garcia is concerned, it’s a classic case of addition by subtraction.
Speaking out for the first time last week since Gruden and General Manager Bruce Allen were dismissed with Raheem Morris named the new coach and Mark Dominik elevated to Allen’s old job, Garcia said the team “needed the change.”
Garcia had become disgruntled over the Buccaneeers’ flirtation with Brett Favre as well as their hesitancy to renegotiate his contract prior to last season.
“I know for me, personally, going through that with him was a very difficult time, disappointing time,” Garcia told WTSP-Ch. 10, per the St. Petersburg Times. “But the one thing that I always tried to look back on or reflect on was that I wasn’t the first and I won’t be the last. If it continues to be this way with players, it is going to get to a point where somebody who is above or in control will say, ‘Enough is enough.’ I think that’s what it got to.
“There are players who were here … before I got here who had their own experiences of how they were treated or how they were misled. For the two years that I was here, I enjoyed my experiences on the field with Coach Gruden. But there were some things that obviously rubbed me wrong. And I’m sure they were not easy to deal with.”
Finishing off his verbal attack as if he was engineering a long, methodical drive, Garcia said that Gruden should be held accountable for the Buccaneers’ late-season downward spiral that cost them a chance at the playoffs.
Obviously, the Glazer family agrees as they executed dramatic changes in management and the coaching staff after consulting with players since the close of the season.
“Statistics don’t lie,” Garcia said. “When you look at how the team played in December, when you don’t finish strong like you need to finish, and especially when you’re in a playoff hunt like we were this year, we have to be accountable as players. But everybody has to take responsibility.
“With Jon being … the head guy here a number of years and having different players come in and out and yet the end of the season not really changing as far as how the team is finishing … then that’s something that needs to be focused on. And you need to find answers. And if the answer was changing the head coach and changing up the staff a little bit, then that’s what they had to do.”
Garcia will celebrate his 39th birthday Feb. 24, and it’s unclear what the outlook is for him in Tampa Bay.
“I am open to listening if they want to talk,” said Garcia, who completed 64.9 percent of his throws for 2,712 yards, 12 touchdowns and six interceptions for a 90.2 passer rating. “The ball’s not in my court. It’s in theirs.”
January 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Oakglenn, who do the Raiders have in their front office right now who’s as valuable to us as Ron Wolf was in the ’70s, regarding player personnel? Still waiting.
Norco Bob, I think SF has free wi fi, and other cities and regions will follow suit. Obama’s going to get that crackin nation wide, no doubt. It’s actually better for business to make wi fi free. It’s no coincidence that’s why it’s already free at most restaurants, coffee shops, hotels, et al.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
FROM PFT:
Former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel has yet to spark the interest of Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis despite sending Davis a letter asking to be interviewed for the team’s head-coaching position, the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
“I think I know as much about the organization as any coach out there and can do what it takes to make the Raiders great again,” Fassel said.
A former NFL Coach of the Year, Fassel has struggled to find NFL employment since being fired by the Baltimore Ravens as offensive coordinator in 2006. Known for his past work with quarterbacks Kerry Collins, Phil Simms and John Elway, Fassel has a prior stint as the Raiders’ offensive coordinator.
John Fassel, Fassel’s son, was recently promoted by Davis to coach the Raiders’ special teams.
Fassel reportedly had a “terrific” interview with the St. Louis Rams, but that job went to Steve Spagnuolo.
Of course, the growing trend in the NFL to go with younger, unproven coaches could be working against Fassel, 59, as well.
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Come on Al. Fassel is the perfect fit for this team. At least get him in for an interview.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Only the real conservative states will still be paying for internet in 2 years. Those idiots get what they deserve. They want unregulated capitalism, there it is, on a platter. Those of us living in the 21st century, on the other hand, will enjoy just opening our web browsers on our lap tops, with no internet bill. Have it your way.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Oakglenn, I’ll check in later to see if you’ve ever answered my question. I just want one name, of a person more valuable to this organization today, from a personnel standpoint, than Ron Wolf. You say you’ve debunked this argument before? Sure, moron. Because you didn’t give us a name then, and haven’t now. What are you trying to do, keep it a secret? LOL. come on, if there’s someone in our front office today more valuable than Ron Wolf, you’d think you’d be proud to tell us who it is. Obviously, the name you have in mind is too embarrassing to say in public. Which is why I’m hoping I can bait you into saying it because I live for clowning your dumb ass.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
# Clark Griswold Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
And that’s what we’re missing today, Oakglenn. Our Ron Wolf. Who is the Raiders’ Ron Wolf today, Oakglenn? Go ahead, give me a name in the organization that’s as valuable to us today as Wolf was in the ’70s. This is going to be hilarious…
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MaddenRaider we have refuted this very argument at least 5,000 times on this blog. Yaaaaaawwwwn. You bore me. time to go.
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for the millionth time.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
First off, why are you calling me MaddenRaider? If I were MaddenRaider, I’d call myself MaddenRaider.
Secondly, if you had a name to give us of someone more valuable to this team today than Ron Wolf was in the ’70s, you would have given it. But you don’t have a name. Because you know there isn’t one. I know you want to say Al Davis but you know you’ll get laughed right off of this blog if you do. Well, you might as well throw Al’s name out there because you’re getting laughed out of here anyway.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Oakglenn, simple, simple question. Is Al Davis a better personnel man today than Wolf was when he was here?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
# Clark Griswold Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Only the real conservative states will still be paying for internet in 2 years. Those idiots get what they deserve. They want unregulated capitalism, there it is, on a platter. Those of us living in the 21st century, on the other hand, will enjoy just opening our web browsers on our lap tops, with no internet bill. Have it your way.
^^ Yeah and look where unregulated “conservative” capitalism got this country the last 8 years.
Nice job “conservative” greedy dim wits!
January 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
“Division rivals in one stadium would be revolutionary to say the least lol.”
Since when are the 49ers and Raiders Division Rivals? Are people really this stupid?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
This idiot Oakglenn avoids questions and then says that he “refuted” the point. Can someone explain that to me? How do you refute something by running from it? I’m asking this idiot once simple question which would require no more than a two word answer, and he won’t do it. And he’s saying he’s refuted it? does he smoke crack, you guys? Or is he just retarded? Then, he keeps calliing me “MaddenRaider”. Unbelievable. This guy must have been pulled out of school in the 1st grade.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Clark Griswold = MR
are people really this stupid?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
so transparent
January 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Later, Oakglenn. I know you’ll never answer my question because you know there’s nobody in this organization today as valuable as Wolf was in the ’70s. But keep spinning your way out of it, idiot.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Teach
my statement towards you earlier was meant as to remind you that you don’t know any inside info either. The Raiders are a mystery and I was agreeing with you. Not very eloquent of me, my apologies, even though all you did was respond in a childish manner like most do on this site.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Clark calling others idiot?
Are people really this stupid?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
maddenraider are you getting stupider by the second?? I didn’t think that was even possible.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
MaddenRaider aka Clark Griswold aka Fact From Fiction aka every other alias that you use:
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
January 25th, 2009. 1 Week to the Superbowl. No Head Coach. No Offensive Coordinator. No Defensive Coordinator. At least we have a Special Teams coach. We also have the #7 Overall pick in the Draft. Man, things just couldn’t get much better than this.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
By the way the old man needs to trade downand OUT of that #7 pick in the draft, ESPECIALLY if Crabtree is not there.
Trading down is the way to go since there will be no clear cut player to take at #7.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Come ON Man Its quite possible the Raiders and Chargers could wind up in the City of Industry deal because they are looking for two teams, do you have a GED?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
When’s the last time Al Davis traded down?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Come ON Man Its quite possible the Raiders and Chargers could wind up in the City of Industry deal because they are looking for two teams, do you have a GED?
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This guy has now hit rock bottom. No two teams in the same division could share the same facility for a large variety of reasons. Instead of posting stupid idiotic things on a football blog, go out, try to get your GED. Education is the path to success son.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Oakglenn Oakland is considered to be more dangerous to live in than LA so your gang model fits in better for the Raiders in Oakland, but thats one of the reasons they will leave Oakland.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Come ON Man Its quite possible the Raiders and Chargers could wind up in the City of Industry deal because they are looking for two teams, do you have a GED?
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This guy has now hit rock bottom. No two teams in the same division could share the same facility for a large variety of reasons. Instead of posting stupid idiotic things on a football blog, go out, try to get your GED. Education is the path to success son.
Oakglenn just OWNED you FFF!!!
Thanks for the laugh Oakglenn. I surprised the guy even knows how to spell GED! lmao
January 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Why are those two teams being considered then and why are they not talking about this issue yet? you guys ar eunder the impression they only want one team in Industry, they want two.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Oakland will trade Aso to AZ for Boldin and they find a way to sign LT Jordan Gross. They will use their first 2 picks on defense. Most likely picking either DT BJ Raji, DE Orakpo or LB Curry if he’s available and DE Paul Kruger, OLB Brian Cushing, DE/OLB Clint Sintim, DT Evander Hood or NT Ron Brace in the second. And they’ll get depth for the OL in the 3rd either OT Alex boone or C Jonathon Luigis…..
January 25th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Hey you guys I hate to bust your bubble about 1999 but here it is, a link to prove my point about Davis wanting to move the team, something you Oakglenn can never produce. Davis is considering moving the team back to LA, 1999.
http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/Mark’s%20View/Thought22.htm
January 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I was tired of hearing you guys bitching about where Al’s dumbass will move the team
January 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Al Davis in 1999 “there is no future for this team in Oakland.”
January 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Can’t help it, I had to put these morons in their place, or so called Raiders fans from way back lol.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Al Davis to the Chicago Tribune in 1999 “That opportunity in Los Angeles belongs to us.”
January 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Trading Nnamdi to Az for Boldin could be a possibility I’d would ask for their pick as well
January 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Come on Man… I am very much aware that I don’t have inside information. Maybe I should let it go, but there are folks in here that act as if they do and it gets a little tiresome.
As for your apology, it’s accepted without reservation. As for my response to what you’re apologizing for, I would read what you wrote that caused me to respond. Not exactly mature on your part, and certainly unprovoked.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Haha found another link Oakglenn, how long have you been a Raider fan eight years?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/1999/02/20/raiders_moving/
January 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
They might include their pick seeig as to how it would be 31st or 32nd. Percy Harvin or Heyward-Bey could be there for that pick. And I would really like Cushing with that pick, especially if they went DL (Orakpo, Brown, or Raji) with that first pick. That would be awesome to get DE, OLB and DT with the first 3 picks….
January 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I am waiting for an apology Oakglenn.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
FFF
Not one person in here has disputed the events of 1999. Also not one person in here has disputed how utterly unintelligent you truly are.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Teach
no hard feelings bro, you obviously have a brain, unlike FFF and Clark Griswold.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Dude, you’re leaving links from like a decade ago…. Everyone shut up already about where the team could move to, if they move at all. It’s giving me a headache from being around all this stupidity. If you’re a loyal fan, such as I am, it shouldn’t matter where the team ends up….
January 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Demon
set em straight
January 25th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Davis turned down a LA stadium proposal from the NFL in 1995 because he did not want to share a stadium with another team, which could make him look other places.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Oakglenn did. Now where is he? Logged off like he always does when he is wrong.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“Davis turned down a LA stadium proposal from the NFL in 1995 because he did not want to share a stadium with another team, which could make him look other places.”
This statement is completely contradictory of your previous statements. Are you really this stupid?
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Demon I linked facts not fiction. Where is Oakglenn?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Hey stupid, read the other posts before you comment. The Raiders are the ones that are changing things up by listening to what the 49er deal might offer, you need to learn to read.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
MR is losing it again, I wonder how many times he has uttered Oakglenn’s name in the last 6 hours
January 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
They were facts from a decade ago. Besides, I predict a stroke for Al within the next month. At least, that’s what I am hoping for anyways. His senility is causing him to run this team ass backwards…
January 25th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
“Hey stupid, read the other posts before you comment. The Raiders are the ones that are changing things up by listening to what the 49er deal might offer, you need to learn to read.”
You constantly contradict yourself yet you question my intelligence?
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Then some idiot says that LA no longer wants the Raiders? Keep drinking that koolaid. Who is MR? Are you Come On Man to MR? Do you like MR?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Hey stupid, read the other posts before you comment. The Raiders are the ones that are changing things up by listening to what the 49er deal might offer, you need to learn to read.
Was that aimed at me, dingleberry?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Oakland will trade Aso to AZ for Boldin and they find a way to sign LT Jordan Gross. They will use their first 2 picks on defense. Most likely picking either DT BJ Raji, DE Orakpo or LB Curry if he’s available and DE Paul Kruger, OLB Brian Cushing, DE/OLB Clint Sintim, DT Evander Hood or NT Ron Brace in the second. And they’ll get depth for the OL in the 3rd either OT Alex boone or C Jonathon Luigis…..
^^That would be a fair trade IMO.
Ziggy Hood would be a solid pick in round 2! I’m hight on him. He reminds me of Darnell Dockett a solid built 6′3 290 pound DT who can also play DE in some situations. Cushing is gonna be gone by the time the Raiders pick in round 2. Taking Ron Brace in round 2 is a reach since there will be other 2 gappers later in the draft and since Sands is already one of those types. DE Paul Kruger would be a reach in round 2 IMO. Sintim would be a good pick in round 2, he can play down as a 4-3 in some spots and be a standup pass rusher in a 3-4 alignment.
Jonathan Luigs would be a better pick than Boone. There will also be a ZBS system type of RT in round 3 also.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Who is MR?
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Speaking of free wifi,..there will come a day, maybe in 5 years or so,..when all internet access is free,..its a f*ckin crime that there is an industry charging for it,…paying for internet access and our screens bombarded with advertising,..total bullsh*t.
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It will just be free to you, but it wont be free since it will be paid by my taxes.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I have posted in here for two days and I have no idea who MR is, never seen a post by him.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
You are only fooling yourself
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Yeah, I agree with you, Darkknight. The trick in drafting OL is drafting the guys that fit your system. They might not even be the best ones on the board at the time you pick. But I’d rather have a good OL that perfect for my system than have a great OL that might never succeed in my system….
January 25th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I am now convinced that the Raiders should take BJ Raji with the number 7 pick overall. Over Crabtree and over Mauluga. The Raiders don’t play defense because the Def Tackle position is garbage. This team will never win unless the DTackle position is dominant.
NO TEAM CAN WIN WITH A 31ST RANKED DEFENSE!
No tweener players! No players that supposedly play different positions! No development hopefull from the 4th round…none of that. Get a real defensive tackle right now and with that pick. No glamour picks
January 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I know that Brace is a reach that early in the second, but I think he’d be an upgrade over Sands. And a lot of people are projecting Kruger to be a high 1 or a low 2 pick.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I meant 31st ranked RUN defense
January 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I also would support a trade of Aso to the Cardinals for Boldin. Nnamdi no longer wants to be with the Raiders. He’s tired of all of the losing. Trade him and get value. Boldin and a draft pick would work nicely and give Russell a target to hit!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
S&B, I can see Oakland trading down to like 10 to get more picks and they’ll still be able to get DT Raji. But, also I really like DT Hood in the 2nd round also.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
When is the last time the Raiders traded down?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Amy Trask in 1999 about the Hollywood Park deal “The fact of the matter is we had in place a transaction which would have delivered a privately funded, sate-of the art stadium to the whole Los Angeles area if the league had not destroyed the transaction.” The key words where the league is involved are “privately funded”.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/16562
January 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
FFF, shut up already about the LA thing. We’ve all stopped talking about it, dingleberry. I don’t know if the raiders have ever traded down before. But there is a first time for everything.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
S&B, I can see Oakland trading down to like 10 to get more picks and they’ll still be able to get DT Raji. But, also I really like DT Hood in the 2nd round also
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I hear you. If this can be pulled off so be it. But I also wouldn’t be opposed to just taking the guy. If the Raiders can draft Michael Huff at number 7, they can draft this Raji kid too.
I actually think Raji may be the “safe” pick in the draft this year. Defensive tackle is a disaster for the Raiders. At least Schillens and JLH showed promise at the end of the year.
Terdell Sands and Warren are not going to help the Raiders nor are they going to get any better.
Draft Raji…That’s my pick for 2009. Time to stop the run!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Getting a vet receiver through trade or free agency will get the Raiders by in 2009. Especially with Miller out there already.
Right tackle can be found in the 2nd round, or look for a SLB that can play right away.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I agree about the whole stopping the run bit. But it helps to have good run stopping LB’s also. Our LB’s are namely coverage type guys.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
They wouldn’t need a RT if they can find a way to sign LT Gross and move Henderson over to the right side.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
If anything can save the Raiders, maybe its having no Salary Cap? Al Davis was last successful in an era with no salary cap so with no restrictions, he can spend freely and create a winner.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Demon Raider is a relevant discussion because of the rumors that Davis wants to share a stadium with the 49ers, which I happen to think is b.s., and the lease expires at the end of 2010 while there are plans for a new stadium near LA. Here is another link to prove my point that Davis has already turned down a previous offer to share a stadium and even went to court over it.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/05/22/MN117882.DTL&type=printable
January 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I agree about the whole stopping the run bit. But it helps to have good run stopping LB’s also. Our LB’s are namely coverage type guys
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True. But one thing is fairly certain, MLBs are not very good if they are having to shed guards all day. I think the Raiders should adopt the so-called “inside out strategy” that everyone is big on these days.
Linebackers need defensive tackles to do their job. Defensive Tackles don’t necessarily need linebackers to do their jobs.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I’m reposting:
Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Peter’s Picks for 2009 (revised 1/25/09)
Our 1st round pick…
he starts day one:
Defensive Tackle
B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 325.
Now i should say that BJ (his friends call him Mr Raji) is not very bright… but hell, the only instructions he needs is: do NOT eat the guy with the ball, tackle only… then explain… tackle means throw to the ground…
introducing our 2nd round selection:
Defensive tackle
Ron Brace, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 329.
In a 4-3 alignment the above two DT’s in rotation with Kelly, Sands and Warren would give us an unrelenting run defense and pressure all along the line for a full 4 quarters. We could rotate K, S and W on a weekly basis on and off the inactive list.
Our 3rd round selection:
Offensive Lineman
Augustus Parrish, Kent State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 308.
Could be RT or Guard…
or a truly excellent blocking dummy…
schit, it’s all a crap shoot…
Here is our 4th round selection: a brand spanking new middle linebacker, this guy will have people asking whether Dick Butkus had an illegitimate child:
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
Here’s our 5th round draft choice…
probably 2nd string center next year, full time starter the next…
Dallas Reynolds, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 328.
Our 7th round draft choice should be:
Defensive End (and Burgess’ replacement)
Derek Walker, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 272.
this guy will kick ass…
i think.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
That Oakglenn poster must be a Raider fan since 2002 if he has no recollection of the 90’s Raiders and Davis lol.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
They wouldn’t need a RT if they can find a way to sign LT Gross and move Henderson over to the right side.
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Problem is that Left Tackles are in high demand throughout the league. So Gross is going to be getting high salary offers from franchises that have had much more success than the Raiders.
Therefore, the only way the Raiders get Gross is if they offer some ridiculous salary offer. Probably not the right thing to do given that Henderson did okay this year at the position.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
And the road to the biggest joke of a coaching staff continues
January 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
What really sucks about all the non-decision making by Al is our rocket scientist Jamarcus Russell is not learning a new system that the new coach will bring with him. If its Cable is he going to run Kiffin system, I doubt it, because when Cable took over he began to change Kiffin’s philosophy about passing so that means they will change the number system and color code used and our scientist at q/b is going to have to learn all over again, now that should scare the hell out of all of us. The guy has a problem now seeing the complete field, and with a changed system he is going to have start all over again. Jamarcus has to get in shape first of all and he must be in camp to practice practice and practice some more, and apparently he isn’t big on practice if we can believe what Kiffin was pissed about last year and his routine of watching film and learning to read defenses. I think Kiffin was correct when you watch how Jamarcus would threw into coverages. I know the last two games he did better, so, how about the last five games he starts getting better. I think all of us are putting to much into the last two games. If we don’t improve both lines it is not going to make much difference who the qb is going to be. Currently most people agree the Raiders have two good (not great) offensive lineman who appear to be improving (Henderson&Gallery) but I still have some doubts. Then when you look at the defensive line it is pretty much agreed that none of the current starters are very good. The tackles have done nothing to help stop the run or put pressure on the q/b, the ends usually are good at half their game.
Good at stopping the run, but no pass rush and the other is good at pass rush but can’t read run..I just hope we don’t go load up again on w/r’s and r/b’s in the draft but look at positions we really need to improve on. In the first four picks we have to select lineman on both sides of the ball then an outside lineback and d/b’s
January 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
They should draft Michael Oher, he would start as a rookie.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Davis needs to stick with the SEC players in the first round.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
i think we need to stay out of the free agent market this year…
there are only 3 free agents i would be interested in:
Hushyourharshingmybuzz, WR, Cin… way way way way too expensive… we wouldn’t be able to field the rest of the team…
Devery Henderson, WR, NO… still doesn’t like to catch the ball… uh, we already got some of those… but, he is really, really fast though…
Eric Barton, MLB, NYJ… uh, if we don’t go for my man Jasper and for the right money… he’s good for another year or two…
January 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
They should draft Michael Oher, he would start as a rookie.
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Yes but Mario Henderson is far better than Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren.
So wouldn’t it make more sense to use our 1st round pick to fill the hole created by the uninspiring play of Sands and Warren then to replace Henderson who actually did a good job this year?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Florida Pete,
TJ Houshminzadeh would be a nice addition but he will have other options that will pay him the same as the Raiders. Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Tennessee and Chicago all need wide receivers and would be more attractive options for the same salary. Unless the Raiders are going to way overpay….I hope not!
Devery Henderson looks much better thanks to Drew Brees and their system. I think he could be a free agent bust. all speed to me
Eric Barton would be a good signing and shouldn’t be expensive and would let Morrison move outside
January 25th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
“They should draft Michael Oher, he would start as a rookie.”
Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
“They should draft Michael Oher, he would start as a rookie.”
Either MR & FFF are the same person or FFF is blatantly ripping off someone else’s ideas.
Either way you look at it, it’s pretty pathetic.
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Eric Barton won’t come back to Oakland.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
our GM is such a loser. this is such a joke that we got no coaches yet. as usual he waits till the last few are clinging for a job so he can low ball them to come here. poor JR will never succeed. no wonder he held out so long. money cures the pain of losing.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Florida Pete,
TJ Houshminzadeh would be a nice addition but he will have other options that will pay him the same as the Raiders. Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Tennessee and Chicago all need wide receivers and would be more attractive options for the same salary. Unless the Raiders are going to way overpay….I hope not!
Devery Henderson looks much better thanks to Drew Brees and their system. I think he could be a free agent bust. all speed to me
Eric Barton would be a good signing and shouldn’t be expensive and would let Morrison move outside
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you’re making my point…
but if we don’t draft a MLB… i do think Barton would like to come back… unless another team shows a lot of interest…
losing Barton to begin with was a bad personnel move… i really liked him…
but here’s the guy i want:
Here is our 4th round selection: a brand spanking new middle linebacker, this guy will have people asking whether Dick Butkus had an illegitimate child:
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Florida Pete,
I hated that the Raiders let Barton go too. As for the draft, I think its important for the Raiders to draft football players and play those players in their natural position. No tweeners either. When they draft a tackle that tackle better be suited for the ZBS. If they draft a DT, let the guy be a bonnafide DT. None of this DT/DE B.S!
Raiders have to get real serious this year. No injury cases and redshirts like they did with Shields
January 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Jerry,
Like the Smiths song:
What diference does it make?
Al Davis and his old ways of old, same thing every year. I dont see the raiders winning more than 5 games.
Its same old same old with Al Davis. The chargers already have penciled in 2 wins this coming season againts us.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
S&B…
that’s my attitude as well…
Gallery should have started at left tackle his first year… and left there…
if you draft a DT, play him at the position… otherwise he’s a project…
we don’t need projects… projects are for teams that just got through winning the super bowl…
uh, that’s not us…
if you saw my list above, i want those guys to play the position listed…
Jasper Brinkley, is exactly what we need in the middle of our 4-3 linebacking group… with Morrison on one side and Howard on the other…
get those 2 DT’s i’m suggesting… and there will be no more bullschitt about not stopping the run…
by the way… the line on Morrison before he was even drafted was that he couldn’t shed blocks… so what do we do??? release Barton and pop Morrison inside…
hear the sound of that loud buzzer??? that’s the one telling us we screwed up…
January 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Hey at least this MaddenRaider knows fact from fiction, still waiting to here from this elusive MR though.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Haha found another link Oakglenn, how long have you been a Raider fan eight years?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/1999/02/20/raiders_moving/
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I am waiting for an apology Oakglenn.
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# Oakglenn Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
And no, Davis did not try to move the team out of Oakland in 1999. There was a lawsuit stemming with the City and County about the failed seat license debacle. Those rumours were part of some legal rangling but was never serious. So, once again, now we have two very solid reasons why LA politicos will never take the Raiders back. Gang activity and the law suits that follow Davis wherever and whenever he goes.
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If you actually READ that article, it says as my post above states that there was some legal rangling. The Raiders claimed they could void their lease for a fee and be gone. I’m sure they could. If they really wanted to leave, they would have just left and let the lawyers sort it all out. What was the City of Oakland and Oakland Fan going to do??? Drive down to LA and physically move them back??? The City called them on their bluff and the Raiders didn’t move. There was a reason for that: they never wanted to be in LA in the first place and they certainly are NOT moving back. As for an apology, if you want me to apologize for you being stupid, that I cannot do.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Please don’t tell me you have been here for the past two and a half hours arguing the same stupid point.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
c’mon Oakglenn, it’s easy…
just say: “i’m sorry you’re stupid…”
and be done with it…
what’s the harm ???
January 25th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Hey at least this MaddenRaider knows fact from fiction, still waiting to here from this elusive MR though.”
Are people really this stupid?
Come on Man!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
c’mon Oakglenn, it’s easy…
just say: “i’m sorry you’re stupid…”
and be done with it…
what’s the harm ???
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LOL. Pete I gotta be honest with ya, I’ve missed you around here!!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Florida Pete,
Don’t forget what the Raiders did to Michael Huff. Playing him at stong safety screwed him up IMO…Who else? Tyler Brayton bounced around, Gallery, Tommy Kelly…
Any concerns with Jasper’s knee injury?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
So, gentlemen, according to the prevailing thoughts that inhabit this site there should be no actual reason why the Oaktown Raiduhs need to hire any DC.
Since most of you postulate that any DC is a neuter without any input into scheme, personnel or alignment, simply a sycophant to the managing general partner, why exactly would you care if McGinnis or Meeks or Winston Moss was coordinator?
Personally I do believe that having a genuine defensive mind at DC is of great help, but reading the blather here I am left to wonder why most of you would even bother to comment on the lack of DC at present as you believe that nothing will change anyway.
Either Davis calls all defenses and there is no need for a DC or the DC calls the defense and then there is need for one. Which is it?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
that injury was his junior year…
this year he played every game…
i think this guy is a stud…
and in the 4th round, we get him cheap…
think M Bush on the D side of the ball…
January 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
The Raiders will pick some yes man that gets along with AL. Probably some newbie getting his feet wet instead of somone with experience.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
you know…
when i hire somebody…
i do kinda expect him to say things like… “yes, sir”…
i never hire someone to tell me… “no, sir”…
think about that…
January 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I was disappointed about how the coaches handled Gallery and Huff. And I believe Barton left like 7 years before Oakland even drafted Morrison. I would rather that Oakland drafted one DT instead of 2, just cuz DT is actually one of the hardest positions to gauge talent level for a college DT and how well the will transition to the pros. I like Jasper Brinkly, but if Oakland can get a 5th round pick, I’d love to see them draft TE Bear Pascoe.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Please M, don’t try reason with these knuckleheads. Pleeeeze! God knows what could happen!!
January 25th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Florida Pete,
Don’t forget what the Raiders did to Michael Huff. Playing him at stong safety screwed him up IMO…Who else? Tyler Brayton bounced around, Gallery, Tommy Kelly…
Any concerns with Jasper’s knee injury?
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don’t forget Darnell Bing…
i’m still confused over that one…
and you’re right… tyler brayton should have been a success… but we managed to turn him into a failure…
i think Cable will fix that…
January 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Actually Toneeg2360 the new trend is exactly that. Hiring guys with no HC experience instead of some retread. Look at Wisenhunt, Pioli, Tomlin, Mike Smith, Jim Zorn, John harbaugh, etc.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I am actually very high up on McGinnis as DC or LB Coach. I think he would be a great coach for the team
January 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Oakglenn,
yeah, I should better stick to illogic.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Demon Raider,
I agree with you about McGinnis.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Does anyone know if we’re gonna keep D.J. Hall for next season, I think he could have an impact at WR.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Villapiano for DC.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Howie for DC.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Seriously, McGinnis would be great.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Okay….. since I’m talking to myself, later.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
S&B…
that’s my attitude as well…
Gallery should have started at left tackle his first year… and left there…
if you draft a DT, play him at the position… otherwise he’s a project…
we don’t need projects… projects are for teams that just got through winning the super bowl…
uh, that’s not us…
if you saw my list above, i want those guys to play the position listed…
Jasper Brinkley, is exactly what we need in the middle of our 4-3 linebacking group… with Morrison on one side and Howard on the other…
get those 2 DT’s i’m suggesting… and there will be no more bullschitt about not stopping the run…
by the way… the line on Morrison before he was even drafted was that he couldn’t shed blocks… so what do we do??? release Barton and pop Morrison inside…
hear the sound of that loud buzzer??? that’s the one telling us we screwed up…
^^Gallery didn’t have the footwork and his arms were too short to be a LT. Al Davis and his scouts blew it by missing that during evaluations.
However, it does look like Gallery is becoming a heckuva LG and if he may have a shot at the Pro Bowl next year.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
^^Drafting Brinkley in round 3 or 4 would be a steal of a pick IMO.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Evander “Ziggy” Hood is the DT they need to draft in Round 2! He is a beast and is not just some fat out of shape two gapper.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
i don’t like sub-300 pound DT’s…
and honestly, that’s my prejudice…
my assumption is that they’ll break down if used more than about 20 plays per game…
again… it’s my prejudice…
i like DT’s in the 330’s…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
in the Senior Bowl…
both Raji and Brace were double-teamed whenever they were in the lineup…
personally, just for grins, i would have lined them up side by side just to see what would happen…
but i don’t believe they were ever in the game together…
look way north of this post to see my draft preferences…
it’s all linemen and one MLB…
draft like i’m suggesting and we’re good to go…
with or without Nambdi…
please, Al, please do not go for a big money free agent… we are nearly there…
all we need are young, fresh, big uglies up front…
and Jasper Brinkley…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
oh, i should say…
Perria Jerrey did impress the schit out of me…
sub-300 pounder, but looked and played like Jerry Ball…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
#422 M great pst as was several of Oak’s and Fl. Pete
These knuckleheads in here don’t knw they constantly speak out of both sides of their months. Because they don’t know what to think they make these idiotic moronic statements as if they know the facts.
Most of their comments are just based n the fact that they hate Mr Davis and wish he were gone so on that premise comes all the ignorance.
There are psoters like myself Lefty12, Oak, Fl. Pete and others who are as frustrated and anxious as they are but we don’t make stupid statements that hold no water.
If you don’t know don’t act as if you do and there wont this circular reasonings the permeates this blog. Man I find myself reading their crap and it’s so stupid I just move on to something else because it has zero to do with anything worth discussing.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Pete… good point on the sub 300 pounders, particularly at the position Brace will play. Gotta have sand in the britches to make it work there.
I’d be surprised if we took anyone at or under 300 anyway; that was the knock on Dorsey and Ellis coming out last year, from our perspective anyway. Also, I think I remember Kiffin saying that we basically had no interest in either one because they played the same position as Tommy Kelly and weren’t stout enough to hold down Terdell’s spot. It’s why I think Brace will go a little higher than maybe he would in a different year; if you look at all the nose tackles in the draft this year he’s the only one that’s big enough to play the position at the next level. That’s why I hope we don’t snooze on the guy; fat guys with talent are hard to find and tend to get snapped up, particularly by the 3-4 teams.
I don’t know about the #7 overall. It would not surprise me in the least to see Al take Malcom Jennings, particularly with the Nnamdi situation. If Crabtree is gone and there’s a feeling that we can get a “system” tackle and/or center later on, well… he’s done stranger things, and we all know what he considers the cornerstone of his defense to be.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
i think we’re good to go on skill people…
well, we are if you think as i do, that WRs are a dime a dozen once you remove the top 10 players…
just find phuckers that can run a disciplined route and then catch the ball… i don’t even care about after catch yardage… just catch it…
so i have to believe Al knows… we need trench people… and i honestly believe if we were to draft as i am suggesting…
man o man… we be there… playoffs baby… no doubt in my mind…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Oakglenn Davis will move the Raiders out of Oakland in 2011, catch the games while you can girl.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Huff24,
I read your little silly protest, so you care huh? you call yourself a Raider fan that gives a crap and that makes you special huh? Well it doesn’t sucka’ your johnny come lately ass with all your Al Davis knowledge about what he does or doesn’t do is still silly stupid.
The last 6 years has been hard on everyone especially the old guard this something we’ve NEVER seen B4. The Raiders have always been competitive. I for one hate this crap, but I know what wins in theis league. So I’m just waiting until we can get these young talented players we have to the point where we can compete again.
Several of us have our own issues with Big Al but as Oak said earlier whinning and crying never slved anything. I’m sure he’s doing his level best it just hasn’t worked out. But soon it will. After all he’s done in the past I have to allow him is misses. He biult this I just stood back and enjoyed it for years.
Peace y’all
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
if we lose Nambdi… i can almost guarantee we take Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State…
what???
you’re kidding???
they’ll sue???
okay, okay…
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, THE Ohio State University
January 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Yeah yeah yeah he’s moving the team to LA.
And Disneyland is his destination, yeah right!
January 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Fl Pete,
As you’ve speculated I agreee they will go heavy on the two lines . That will get us competitive quicker than anything.
Adios y’all
January 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
take care, my raider brother…
January 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
post 429 . I’m talking about a defensice coordinator. I’m assuming Cable is the hc. Ryan had no experience as a defensive coordinator and he didn’t seem to learn much on the job. It will be easier for Al to ramrod a vigin d coordinator vs someone who has been around the block. We need someone with experience who can work on the fly and prevent the late game meltdowns Ryan couldn’t stop.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I guesss you cant read Mr. I said in post #454 what he is and Raider is not even close.
Commitment to Excellence.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
If Cable is the HC next year AND if the RAIDERS dont’t draft an O-Lineman with thier first pick, I will not watch or support them at all next year!!!!!!!!!!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
You fools keep spending hours and hours digging up draft bull$hit to copy & paste here for the next 3 months as your some expert. Our great scouting dept will get shot down by AL like they do every year.
Our great coaching staff made up of leftovers and derelicts that nobody else would hire will turn those young men into OUTSTANDING football players….pro bowlers!
Just Win Baby!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
BHP, 99% of us “posters” that wanted Rob Ryan fired for the last 3 years while you and your left tit OakGlenn said
“No, hes a good DC he just needs players”
We are dumb ones right, you and your left bewb are the smart ones here. Isn’t that what you are telling us Einstein ?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
jeezus… i hate walking in on a circle jerk…
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people complain about Al ..
others complain about those who complain about Al.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
mistabrown, long time no see. Thank God. I miss your foolish ignorant posts. We all need someone to make fun of. You are an easiest target in here. moron.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
# Fact From Fiction Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Oakglenn Davis will move the Raiders out of Oakland in 2011, catch the games while you can girl.
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So I guess I can take your word over Roger Godell, Al Davis and almost every Los Angeles Area politico. Whatever you say dude. Put down the pipe.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Oak the joke..
I knew you were it was just a matter of time before you couldn’t take it no more and hit your keyboard.
You are here 24/7 aren’t you ? Posting like a mad midget on meth. Dozens of screen names to “support” yourself and lick BHP’s balls.
A tough job you have there lil feller!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Oak,
Roger Goodell did nothing more than “suggest” Oakland & SF try and make a joint deal on a stadium so what word are you taking over FFF?
Yes Oak Im here to point out all the moronic krap you say because most of these guys dont have the brains to see what a tool you are.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
raider on
January 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
And lastly mistabrown, fat, bald and stupid is no way to go thru life son. There’s nothing you can do about two of them. You are born stupid and bald. But instead of being in here, you should get your dumb ass on a tread mill. That you can fix, you stupid bald fat fukk.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
OakGlenn wheres your right tit? Do you feeble minded gumps split shifts in here defending this mess or is it just a coincidence he leaves and you pop in ?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
i 4 1 say keep the raiders in oakland
January 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
BHP,post 444,I must say that YOU act as if you know,w/dumb ass comments about youre INSIDE INFO!So please STFU ,let things play out,youre boys are paid to give you info,WRONG info
January 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Mark my word Cable man does’nt know it yet, Al’s going to bring Chuckie n Allen back, n offer Cable man the OC or back to the OL coach. Just hurry up and do something Al, cuz what ever u do will not be a surprise to the Raider Nation, GOD BLESS THE BLACK HOLE
January 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
OakGlenn, you dont feel stupid at all defending arguably the worst franchise in the NFL?
If not for the Det Lions & Cinn Bengals the Oakland Raiders would have no competition for bottom feeders. Even with that company we have the worse record last 6 years.
Keep posting you tard.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Mistabrown
What rock did you crawl out from underneath of? It has been so nice with you gone, I hate to see you return.
You speak of bottom feeders and that’s exactly what you are. Cockroach of the blog.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Oak,
Roger Goodell did nothing more than “suggest” Oakland & SF try and make a joint deal on a stadium so what word are you taking over FFF?
Yes Oak Im here to point out all the moronic krap you say because most of these guys dont have the brains to see what a tool you are.
Mistabrown Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
OakGlenn, you dont feel stupid at all defending arguably the worst franchise in the NFL?
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So lst this clown guy defends some moron on a blog over the commissioner of the National Football League and then makes a statement about me defending my team. Is this guy a complete utter total moron or what??? Actually mistabrown, it’s easy to criticize failing things. That does not require much brain skill. That’s what we expect from you. Low dirt ball ignorant crap.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
“You fools keep spending hours and hours digging up draft bull$hit to copy & paste here for the next 3 months as your some expert. Our great scouting dept will get shot down by AL like they do every year.
Our great coaching staff made up of leftovers and derelicts that nobody else would hire will turn those young men into OUTSTANDING football players….pro bowlers!
Just Win Baby!”
Regurgitated nonsense that someone else wrote, nice insight genius. You are a tool.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Mistabrown is a whining little girl
January 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Only Al Davis lackeys don’t care about winning or losing.
When your GM has 25yr losing record, fans of the team speak out!
January 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Mistabrown
Please continue your little hissy fit. Please continue to demonstarte to all how b1tchy your really are.
You’re nothing but a whining, complaining little B!TCH
January 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Oh Christ, another whiny ignorant piece of sh** just arrived. Funny how one just arrives right after the other.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
KoolKell hasn’t formulated a new thought for months now, just the same old nonsense repeated over and damn over.
Got anything new that we don’t already know? I already know the answer.
You got nothing!
Now just STFU PoolSmell
January 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
“The National Football League is urging the 49ers to explore sharing a new stadium with the Raiders, hoping the Bay Area could follow the lead of the New York Giants and the New York Jets, who have joined forces to privately finance the most expensive stadium in U.S. sports history”
January 25th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Now Mistabrown is spewing old news that we have been hearing for some time now. I am beginning to think that Mistabrown is KoolKell. Same m/o, same lack of intelligence, same b!tchy attitude.
Mistabrown & PoolSmell are the same women!
January 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Mistabrown rails on everybody here for cutting and pasting stuff, then minutes later he does the exact same thing. Dude acts as if he has a clue, fukking walking contradiction.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
fukking hypocrites
January 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
mistabrown in a bitch. So is Koolkell. That’s all they do is bitch. throw ‘em a couple of tampons.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Only Al Davis lackeys insist that complaining about losing is whining
They insist that you take the losing and shut-up! Because Al Davis is infallible.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
The Al Davis flunkies insist that we should accept losing and not “Whine” about it.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
i like talking about football…
and i am sure some of you would wonder… uh, so why are you here??? reading the last hours worth of posts… i would say that’s a good question…
Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Peter’s Picks for 2009 (revised 1/25/09)
Our 1st round pick…
he starts day one:
Defensive Tackle
B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 325.
Now i should say that BJ (his friends call him Mr Raji) is not very bright… but hell, the only instructions he needs is: do NOT eat the guy with the ball, tackle only… then explain… tackle means throw to the ground…
introducing our 2nd round selection:
Defensive tackle
Ron Brace, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 329.
In a 4-3 alignment the above two DT’s in rotation with Kelly, Sands and Warren would give us an unrelenting run defense and pressure all along the line for a full 4 quarters. We could rotate K, S and W on a weekly basis on and off the inactive list.
Our 3rd round selection:
Offensive Lineman
Augustus Parrish, Kent State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 308.
Could be RT or Guard…
or a truly excellent blocking dummy…
schit, it’s all a crap shoot…
Here is our 4th round selection: a brand spanking new middle linebacker, this guy will have people asking whether Dick Butkus had an illegitimate child:
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
Here’s our 5th round draft choice…
probably 2nd string center next year, full time starter the next…
Dallas Reynolds, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 328.
Our 7th round draft choice should be:
Defensive End (and Burgess’ replacement)
Derek Walker, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 272.
this guy will kick ass…
i think.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Pete keep pasting us that useless information over & over, you can even say your talking “football”.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Post #477 was for the idiot that post on #459.
Follow along numnutz..
# Come on Man! Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Mistabrown rails on everybody here for cutting and pasting stuff, then minutes later he does the exact same thing. Dude acts as if he has a clue, fukking walking contradiction.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
lol @ revised picks as if anybody cares or notices if you change your mind on our 5th round pick
lmao
January 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
and you would be doing what, mista brown ???
are you suggesting that talking about your hatred for Mr Davis is talking football ???
or explaining to all of us fans of the team that we what ??? should not be fans ???
what would you have us do, mistabrown ???
please… some guidance…
what should one do on a Raider blog after the season is over ???
January 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Do you have to accept the status-quo of double-digit losing to be a “real Al Davis Fan”?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Florida Pete,
Mike Mayock has Raji listed as his #1 DT, and he said that he played poorly at the senior bowl (his practice habits were inconsistent also). I am curious to see if he falls a bit in the boards.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
my experience with well run, popular blogs is that it does make a difference…
popular political blogs are actually read by the staffs of politicians… opinions expressed and supported get noticed…
and action is often taken…
i know this is true because of the stink about the Dubai ports deal… it was blog activity that really got the ball rolling on that…
i think the same thing happened last year with the pick of McFadden… i do believe people in the Raider front office read this… and i do think they as least consider what is being said…
start talking about Jasper Brinkley enough and we may very well get someone in the front office to seriously look at this guy…
so, if you think your opinions have no weight and that everything is futile… then continue as you are…
but, if something i say convinces you that we can make a difference, have some input…
then join the discussion of what we think the team should do…
January 25th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
The Al Davis flunkies insist that we should accept losing and not “Whine” about it.
^^I sure as hell aint a lap dog or a flunky or a whiner.
I know what it is going to take to get this damn team and organization turned around and it’s too bad that the owner and GM seems to not have a freakin clue.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Aw great Mista “doo doo” brown and StoolKell are in here.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
This site Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Florida Pete,
Mike Mayock has Raji listed as his #1 DT, and he said that he played poorly at the senior bowl (his practice habits were inconsistent also). I am curious to see if he falls a bit in the boards.
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i watched the game and Raji was double-teamed at all times… i would say his teammates didn’t take advantage of the situation…
i read that he impressed mightily during the practice week…
i still say let’s take him… and Ron Brace (who was also double teamed at all times) too…
January 25th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
# This site Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Florida Pete,
Mike Mayock has Raji listed as his #1 DT, and he said that he played poorly at the senior bowl (his practice habits were inconsistent also). I am curious to see if he falls a bit in the boards.
^^Yep…I say NO to taking a DT with the #7 pick thats for damn sure.
Trading down should be the #1 option if Crabtree is not there. If a trade happens down to 5 spots….a solid player will still be there, like Oher, Maualuga, Everette Brown, Maclin, Jason Smith.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…
Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…
January 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
The Al Davis flunkies insist that we should accept losing and not “Whine” about it.
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Once again, who here says any of us should accept losing??? The issue with you is you are a bitch. Now, take the tampon out of your mouth.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
# ndablackpit Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Mark my word Cable man does’nt know it yet, Al’s going to bring Chuckie n Allen back, n offer Cable man the OC or back to the OL coach. Just hurry up and do something Al, cuz what ever u do will not be a surprise to the Raider Nation, GOD BLESS THE BLACK HOLE
^^ If Gruden and Allen are brought back and Cable kept as assistant HC/O-Line coach that would be great for the organization and team. It would allow the old man to make for the mistakes of the past.
Gruden would need to settle down a bit though when it comes to mentoring and teaching Russell. He needs to avoid mind screwing Russell with his crazy offensive terminology and expectations of perfecting it.
Then hire Trestman as QB coach.
Too bad all this has a very slim chance of happening.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
i’m against taking a skill player at any position in this draft…
unless… we lose Nambdi… then clearly we’ll target Malcolm Jenkins…
although, if it were my draft… i would stay with the plan shown above…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…
Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…
^^The DT’s that I am high on are Peria Jerry, Ziggy Hood, Alex Magee, and Fili Moala.
Terrance Taylor from Michigan is intriguing as well.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Gruden is not and never will be a good coach on an ongoing basis…
Gruden would be great for a young team… because of the discipline he would bring…
BUT…
Gruden would be equally horrible for a young team because he doesn’t like rookies… he likes veterans…
AND SO
Gruden would be bad for a veteran team… because veterans can only take his crap for a about a year or two before his welcome wears out…
he needs to join Kiffie… he can pretend the seniors are veterans…
now that might work…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
darkknight01 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…
Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…
^^The DT’s that I am high on are Peria Jerry, Ziggy Hood, Alex Magee, and Fili Moala.
Terrance Taylor from Michigan is intriguing as well.
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HAHA !!! so basically you like all of them except for the two Boston College kids that i like !!!!
hey… you might be right… but i still like my two BC boys…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.
I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.
They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.
BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
any fan can’t be happy with the resent history of our Oakland Raiders.we all know the owner/gm hasn’t done a very good job during this time.but i don’t see where it does any good to come here everyday and complain about the old guy-he isn’t going anywhere.what do those that come here daily and point out how bad things have been hope to accomplish?are you just trying to get other people to hate the team and the owner/gm like you seem to?are you hoping to spread your hate so no one will attend games and they WILL be forced to move?what are your real agendas,because you aren’t going to change the old guy.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
my experience with well run, popular blogs is that it does make a difference…
popular political blogs are actually read by the staffs of politicians… opinions expressed and supported get noticed…
and action is often taken…
i know this is true because of the stink about the Dubai ports deal… it was blog activity that really got the ball rolling on that…
i think the same thing happened last year with the pick of McFadden… i do believe people in the Raider front office read this… and i do think they as least consider what is being said…
start talking about Jasper Brinkley enough and we may very well get someone in the front office to seriously look at this guy…
so, if you think your opinions have no weight and that everything is futile… then continue as you are…
but, if something i say convinces you that we can make a difference, have some input…
then join the discussion of what we think the team should do…
^^I agree….I also believe front office staff may have heard our voices when it came to looking to draft Michael Bush in the later rounds 2 years ago.
A lot of us were united in our takes of how this team should snatch Bush if the time was right and picking him with the 1st pick in day two that year was a nice wake up call! Good stuff!
Taking DMC last year ended up being the no brainer IMO unless they traded down of course.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
darkknight01 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…
Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…
^^The DT’s that I am high on are Peria Jerry, Ziggy Hood, Alex Magee, and Fili Moala.
Terrance Taylor from Michigan is intriguing as well.
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HAHA !!! so basically you like all of them except for the two Boston College kids that i like !!!!
hey… you might be right… but i still like my two BC boys…
^^ I don’t like ALL of them, but those are the only ones worth drafting in round 2 or later.
I don’t take BJ Raji with the #7 overall pick because he is not worth the #7 selection IMO. He is basically a three technique and Kelly is already basically a three technique. And if you want a two gapper just clog space, then those can be found later in round 3 or 4. The ONE DT that I would target with the 2nd Round pick is the Darnell Dockett built and in shape type of DT in Ziggy Hood or Alex Magee.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
stud DEs are much more difficult to find than DTs.Burgess will be gone after this year.most rookies don’t have any real impact until years 2or 3.take Orakpo this year with our 1st pick and Burgesses loss won’t be so big.also,it will take a lot leverage away from him in trying to get a monster contract.Orakpo can be a part time player this year and step in next year.we would then be set at DE-Orakpo,Richardson,and Scott-for quite a while.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Sweep the leg (This site) Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.
I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.
They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.
BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.
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i didn’t want McF, and didn’t like the “lightweight” DT’s (i like my DT’s in the 330 pound class)… but… i did want Chris Long or Vernon Gholston…
basically, my first rounder would not have impressed…
now i did lobby for Curtis Lofton in the 2nd… now that would have been a winner…
you’re welcome to check out my draft preferences above… tell me what you think…
as for Dubai and Mike Savage… don’t know… but i started rabble rousing in the Crooks and Liars blog about a week before it hit the big time news…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
my experience with well run, popular blogs is that it does make a difference…
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The BLOG may make a difference but not the stupid comments you all write. Commenting on a blog does not mean you are blogging.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
# Sweep the leg (This site) Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.
I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.
They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.
BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.
^^The media was hyping Dorsey up because they knew we needed D-Line help and they were hoping DMC would fall to the Jets. haha
January 25th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
BTW,Orakpo is considered a top 5 talent,where Raji isn’t.better bang for the buck.of course an OT could be the first pick.i’m not convinced the brass is sold on Henderson as much as the people who post here are.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
bedtime for me…
goodnight all…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
i sure wouldnt mind sharing a new stadium. that would be sweet. McAfee is old and out dated
January 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Florida Pete,
I went and checked out Jasper Brinkley on my draft site, he sure looks the part. Looks like he could take care of himself. I don’t think I have seen him play. Whats the scoop?
January 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
I’m just glad Rob Ryan isn’t the defensive coordinator anymore.
Here’s an idea, though. Hire a real general manager, let him hire his choice of head coach, and let the head coach hire his choice of coordinators. Never mind, that’s crazy talk!
January 25th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.
——————————————————- You are right about that, and how many times have we seen a great athlete be a rookie sensation and then flame out because he doesn’t put in the film study, and hard work.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.
^^Mario Williams is a DE…not a DT. I’m certainly not knocking Ellis or Dorsey, but it’s not like they were pass rushing DE’s who are beasts and can do it all. The bang for the buck and the value with making a top 5 pick IMO is not at the DT position.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
G-nite all.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
#443 BHP
Maybe you should re-read post number 101 and follow your own advise.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Florida Pete
The only way to go is to trade down and get more picks. We have a lot of needs WR/DT/DE soon to include P/OT/OG/C all are need positions. With that being said look for Al to draft either a CB or RB with the first pick.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
stud DEs are much more difficult to find than DTs.Burgess will be gone after this year.most rookies don’t have any real impact until years 2or 3.take Orakpo this year with our 1st pick and Burgesses loss won’t be so big.also,it will take a lot leverage away from him in trying to get a monster contract.Orakpo can be a part time player this year and step in next year.we would then be set at DE-Orakpo,Richardson,and Scott-for quite a while.
^^Orakpo and Everette Brown are going to be solid in the NFL I think. They can play down in a 4-3 and some situations they can also stand up and rush the passer or disrupt the run and or drop bacl. More value in taking a DE than a DT with a top 7 pick.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Sweep-young players can’t really be judged until they’ve played at least 3 years in the league.maybe the reason they are judged so early is everyone wants to claim how right they were.i’ve read people on here say that Dorsey and Ellis proved last year we shouldn’t have drafted them,while ignoring the fact Dmac also had a mediocre rookie year because they wanted us to draft Dmac(i’m not knocking Dmac,just using this as an example).
January 25th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Darknight-post 518.i wasn’t comparing them-DE vs DT-i was stating you can’t judge a rookie after his 1st year.why are you trying to argue when we totally agree about DEs vs DTs?
January 25th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Lefty,
Not arguing, just saying that Williams is different than Dorsey and Ellis position wise.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
I think Mario has earned his chance at LT, he dominated some of the best DEs in the league in the games he played in, and for that reason, I don’t think we go OT untill our second round pick, in which we will get a RT. I don’t think it makes sense to pay an RT #7 money. I think our first pick will be J Maclin, I am siding with Mel Kiper on this one, but a lot can change after the combine. Chris Johnson of the Titans was not considered to even be a 1st round pick until he posted that 4.2 40 time last year, so we’ll see. But, if Maclin runs a 4.3 and Crabtree is gone, I bet anything we take Maclin. Here is something to think about though…If we were tragically unable to re-sign Nnamdi, and instead opted to trade him, we would be guaranteed a 1st and possibly 3rd for him, or a first and a player close to his calliber…What if we drafted Maclin with one first rounder, and Leonitus ferom Ohio ST (Badass MLB) with our other first? I would like that look alot! Howard Leonitus and Morrison in that order from left to right as our LB corps would be sick! But, on the whole, I’d rather have Al give the contract he gave to D hall to Aso instead…(7 year 70 million, w/ insentives). I really don’t want to lose Aso or Lechler, but I fear we will have to lose at least one of them. Either loss will be devastating to the team.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Everyone asleep? good night fellas, gotta go to Vegas for a few days on business, so I will check back with the nation on thursday, maybe we wil have a coach by then…lol, I doubt it. Don’t worry about me while I’m gone though guys, I unlike Walker am not a coke head idiot, so I don’t think I’ll have to worry about any drug deals going bad on me. Hopefully I’ll return with my wallet and watch still in my possesion, and my eye socket firmly intact. LOL, later Nation!
January 25th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
KoolKell is a moron that loves losing
January 25th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Yup, KoolKell is a man that loves to lose, this much is painfully clear.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
No way is Raji worth the No. 7 pick. That guy has underachiever written all over him. He’s nowhere near the difference maker one of these guys would be:
The only guys I consider at No. 7 are:
– Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
– Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
– Andre Smith, LT, Alabama
– Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
At least one of those guys should be there. If I had to guess I’d say it could be between Maclin & Maualuga, although I could see Cincinnati taking Maualuga at No. 6. Which is fine with me. I think Maclin might have more upside than any top-10 pick in this draft.
January 26th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Macklin and crabtree both could be good but damn how bad is the o and d lines you cant go with either one next year. First thing we need to fix is stopping the run if you wanna be a good nfl team run the ball and stop the run! And henderson did great but can he be a full time LT their paying j-russ a lot of money gotta have his blindside. Imagine dmac running free with big holes, imagine miller not having to stay in and block . You win football games in the trenches
January 26th, 2009 at 4:22 am
five hundred and thirty second
January 26th, 2009 at 4:57 am
I’m not sure who I hate more, Jerry or Al Davis.
January 26th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Thats a easy one. You hate Al a lot more then scarymac but not near as much as you hate yourself.
January 26th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Why don’t you pack it up, sonder off and join another NFL fan base? Take Narco Bob & MR with you. Oh, and don’t let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out. I’m positive no one HERE would miss you.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:02 am
The only issue I have with Orakpo is that he weighs 250 pounds. That would be fine if he were a 3-4 OLB, but if you’re going to spend a #7 overall on a guy he’d better be an every-down player, especially on defense. Opposing tackles would have a field day with that guy if he was on the field for running downs; Alex Boone from Ohio State did very well against him in the Fiesta Bowl when the Buckeyes ran the ball.
Still wouldn’t be a big surprise to see us take Malcom Jenkins there (if the Browns don’t get him first, and they could pass on him because they need a running back).
January 26th, 2009 at 6:12 am
SKIP THIS DRAFT,USE MONEY TO SIGN NnAMDI….
January 26th, 2009 at 6:39 am
so Darren Perry is not being considered and Mike Trgovac is off the market, huh?
that’s terrible.
Dave McGinnis or Bob Sanders might be good candidates. I’d even take Ron Meeks. Just say no to Jim Haslett!
January 26th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Jason Jones (Sac Bee) writes:
Former Raiders offensive coordinator Marc Trestman reportedly remains a candidate to be the Raiders’ new offensive coordinator.
Trestman is currently the head coach of the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:43 am
IS TRESTMAN STRICTLY A WCO GUY?
January 26th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Here we go another off season with no direction, every thing done in Oakland these days is backwards, Don’t ya think the head coach should be hired first, then he [the head coach], select who he wants to be his other coaches to work under him..This Raider fans is why the team is not in the class of a Pittsburgh, or Indy, or new England,because we have a owner who does not want to let go, and let some one come in here and get this team headed back inthe right direction,, Al Davis folks is the coach, and has been, and that is why we have had 6 straight 11 lose seasons, and no direction,,ALL our good players want to move elsewhere, this is a total mess.
The bottom line in all of this , is i truly believe AL Davis does not really care,he just wants to get this team back to LA, and screw the Oakland fans,,What other reason is there, no owner in their right mind, who has lost so much in the last 6 seasons would put up with this, and would try to get the team winning again,, No not AL Davis, same results in the win loss column, same way of handleing the off season, will result in the same results on the field in 2009..Lets make a deal, lets trade Al Davis to Pittsburgh, for Mr Rooney, then this team will be onits way back,,
I ama frustrated raiders fan so sick of AL Davis and the way he doed things
Aloyal fan of the raidersfor 40 years,,
Perry
January 26th, 2009 at 7:02 am
dirt lot: no clue
anybody else know?
I know he’s been a top notch QB coach and OC in the league. He’s doing well in the CFL too as a Head Coach
January 26th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Cmon Davis quit with all the mystery mumbo jumbo and bring the guys so we can focus on this year and the draft,BTW good morning nation!!!!
January 26th, 2009 at 7:05 am
No Perry, I think Al is doing the right thing by not listening to morons that think the coach should hire his staff after the last two head coaches screwed it up.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Trestman had a good stint in San Fran but he is not a west coast offense guy, he got his start at the University of Miami.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Seifert said this to Trestman at the time “I want you to forget what you know about football and start from scratch.” If that answers your question about his WCO roots. He also was part of Miami’s national championship team coaching Bernie Kosar.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:12 am
WAS HE HERE WITH GRUDEN OR AFTER ?
January 26th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Post 10 ROFL – Yeah our opponents are really confused by Al’s confusion. There is no way to spin this.
Whomever is the DC will be handed an outdated philosophy, a questinable secondary entirely up for FA, a pourous overpaid D-line, two of the most overhyped and underperforming LB’s in Raiders history and a in-place staff of assistant coaches with no accountabiity or overall team concept.
It won’t work.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Trestman was brought in by Davis to get Gannon over the hump into elite status in 2001 and became OC in 2002 so he was there with and without Gruden.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:18 am
That outdated philosophy still wins today with the right players, ask Gruden and Shanahan.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:20 am
I wish Davis would go back to another so called out dated philosophy he used in the 60’s, 70’s, and part of the 80’s, the 3-4 defense. Oh wait, the Steelers still run that don’t they?
January 26th, 2009 at 7:21 am
THANK’S SITH, COULD NOT RECALL EXACTLY. WOULD U WANT HIM BACK AS O.C. ?
January 26th, 2009 at 7:25 am
His offenses always move the ball and score points but he loves to pass too much imo, but if Cable calls the plays that would not be a factor. He is better than most anyone else out there still looking for work and is better than most of the newbies other teams scooped up too soon, so yes. He has been coaching since 1981.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Here you can check him out for yourself.
http://www.coachmarctrestman.com/
January 26th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Trestman has a blog you know and writes for cnn/si.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Do we have a coach yet??
January 26th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Trestman won a National Championship with Bernie Kosar as a red shirt freshman, I wonder what he could do with Russell?
January 26th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I would like to see Trestman as HC with Cable under him but I get the feeling Cable has the job already. I just want Cable to coach the o-line and call the plays because he likes to run the football.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Q: If Cable is the guy Al wants as HC what is the upside of letting this drag out for so long?
A: There isn’t an upside. Al doesn’t think Cable is the guy and he is only the last resort option. Al would give this job to Narco Bob over Cable if he could just get Narco Bob to return his calls.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:48 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Trestman was brought in by Davis to get Gannon over the hump into elite status in 2001 and became OC in 2002 so he was there with and without Gruden.
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LOL, please show me where you got that info.. Al DAvis had nothing to do with the hiring of Marc Trestman..
He was hired BY GRUDEN, and when Gruden left Trestman was elevated BY CALLAHAN… Al Davis had nothing to do with it..(maybe that is why it worked)
January 26th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Norco Bob,call Big Al asap
January 26th, 2009 at 7:56 am
LMN,
good afternoon
So, if something works for the Raiders, then AD had nothing to do with it. If it doesn’t work, then AD had everything to do with it.
Odd that in a world of grey something could be so black and white.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:59 am
the funny thing is: Bruce Allen, Jon Gruden, Bill Callahan & Marc Trestman are all available this offseason. RIGHT NOW in fact. If Al Davis could ever get past his pride, he’d get these guys on the phone asap and try to reunite the last staff that had success in Oakland. Even Chuck Bresnahan is available! (just kidding)
January 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Sorry for the long post but I could not get just the link. Not my usual style.
The Shared Stadium And Other Dreams Of The Pipe, Part II
You have to hand it to Jed York and the 49ers (well, you don’t have to hand them anything, actually, but play along). They are keeping the Santa Clara stadium dream in the public eye in a most creative way — hinting around about a cost-sharing roommate they don’t have.
In this case, of course, it’s the Raiders, and the 49ers have been cheerful in carefully but aggressively advancing the notion that the Raiders would become equal partners in their YorkTown paradise. In fact, through the Mercury News’ Mike Craig, who typed up a fascinating advancement to the story Sunday, the NFL is also playing along, saying the 49ers and Raiders should play together on this.
Hey, fair is fair. The 49ers are playing to what they hope will some day be their home base, despite the clear evidence to the contrary.
But we still have the four obstacles before this can possibly happen, plus a fifth that would assure that it can’t. In order:
Location: The Raiders would have to be compensated for moving further from their fan base, or the stadium wouild have to be moved up the 880 Waterslide. And besides, the 49ers don’t even have the Santa Clara land yet, remember?.
Money: It’s still $915 million, and the meter is running.
Culture: The 49ers and Raiders regard each other with less cheer than the Giants and Jets ever did, and while Raider executive Amy Trask can paper over those difficulties all she wants, they still exist.
Trust: The Raiders have been historically active in the arcane legal art of litigating against one’s partners, and even if the climate for that has changed, the 49ers would need to be wary.
But here’s the fifth, and it would be the ultimate deal-killer.
At some point, Al Davis will pass control of the Raiders to his son Mark, if Al doesn’t change his mind on what he has said publicly on several occasions. There is no indication that running a football team burns in the son’s soul as it has the father’s, which means that he could very easily and without a single pang put the team up for sale as soon as possible, with the highest bidder probably being someone who would look longingly toward Los Angeles instead of Santa Clara.
This would leave the 49ers in some state of constructus interruptus, after having gone to the trouble of buying all the hard hats and orange vests.
And yes, this is not only foreseeable, but very much in play. Unless Mark Davis is an idiot, he will keep all his options open, and until then, we don’t know what options he actually has. For this shared stadium thing to even be discussable, the Raiders would have to promise in writing to keep the team in the Bay Area for years, and like anyone in the corporate world these days, years can quickly turn to weeks.
It alone should cause the 49ers far more pause than they are showing before they keep flogging this story as doable. They are giving us the illusion of a partner they don’t have and can’t guarantee for the stadium they can’t pay for in a location they don’t have in a city that might not be able to afford their end of a deal that doesn’t exist. And the more they do this, the sillier they will look, as seemingly improbable as that might be.
In short, sedating Jed York for awhile might not be a bad way to go here. If he can get around all these landmines and get the thing done some day, there’ll be plenty of time for hysterical preening. For now, how about a Johnny Walker Blue with a six-aspirin back for our little dynamo?
Posted By: Ray Ratto (Email) | Jan 26 at 06:30 AM
January 26th, 2009 at 8:02 am
M..
No.. absolutely not, but Trestman was not Al Davis’ man, just look how muh time they needed to convince themselves they needed to Talk to Trestman..
I 100 behind Trestman as OC, but his tenure in Oakland was not credited Al.. just to be honest.. it was merely a correction..
I said it was working, yup, and I do think everytime Al tries to touch the Offensive side it will die, so I rather sure of Tresman wasn’t an AL-man..
I could say the same thing about the defensive side.. but there 10 years of proof that our D have been dead (Als side of the ball)
January 26th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Al would give this job to Narco Bob over Cable if he could just get Narco Bob to return his calls.
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False. Norco Bob thinks JaMarcus Russell is a bust. Al Davis thinks he’s the future of this football team and the face of this franchise. That alone would disqualify him. Davis favors players over coaches, remember?
January 26th, 2009 at 8:03 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 7:59 am
the funny thing is: Bruce Allen, Jon Gruden, Bill Callahan & Marc Trestman are all available this offseason. RIGHT NOW in fact. If Al Davis could ever get past his pride, he’d get these guys on the phone asap and try to reunite the last staff that had success in Oakland. Even Chuck Bresnahan is available! (just kidding)
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Bill Callahan is locked up in Cleveland..Mangini took him with him, right away in fact.
Trestman is under contract in Canada..
January 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am
M..
one cant just make up your own history as SLD does.. need just an ounce of honesty..
January 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
By David White:
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But don’t worry, team officials said: They have a plan, and this is all part of it.
“We have very specific reasons for doing it this way,” said senior executive John Herrera, a key member of Davis’ ever-shrinking inner circle.
“When it’s all done, there will be a very detailed explanation as to why we are moving the way we are. We’re connecting the dots and we’re doing things the right way.
“This is a very well-thought-out, reasoned game plan.”
It’s certainly unique, if nothing else.
No other team in the NFL with a head-coaching vacancy after the season has used this approach: interview coordinators, hire or fire assistants, etc., before naming a head coach. Everyone else hired a coach first, then gave him a say in who would be doing what on the staff.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
LMN: I didn’t know Bill joined Cleveland, but it doesn’t surprise me. I thought the Jets were still deciding what to do with him ala Schottenheimer Jr. Thanks for that info.
Jason Jones (Sac Bee) reported that the Raiders are considering Marc for the OC position and last week it was reported that Marc was at the Senior Bowl trying to find work in the NFL again. He was planning on approaching 2 clubs, the Raiders being one of them.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Yes, Dakota,
but as I have mentioned previously, at least thirty of those teams who have gone out and hired their coaches and staffs in a traditional manner will end up not winning the Super Bowl next year.
The failure rate, if the sole goal is to win the championship, is astounding when you see it like that.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:22 am
So did any of you watch the Senior Bowl? Just my view:
I was very impressed with the C from Oregon and I thought Michael Oher did a good job, but it sounds like his stock is falling to the mid to late first round area. That DT from BC, Raji, was all practice hype and didn’t do much in the game.
Alex Mack mainly played guard and looked okay, but I would have liked to have seen him play more C. However, he did show versatility by playing guard.
That Oklahoma WR looked good. I wasn’t very impressed with Robiskie. That FB from LSU looked pretty good, except for the missed block at the goal line. Some of the RBs looked good, but who cares about that?
The LBs didn’t impress me at all. Rey had a good hit but he really looks stiff and unathletic out there. His buddies from USC are not even in the discussion. QBs all looked weak, but again, who cares? There was one CB that really stood out, the guy that dropped the INT, but hopefully we keep Nnamdi and don’t have to worry about CB in this draft.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:27 am
How much does it matter who the coordinator is? Davis sets the rules. The team will run a straight-up 4-3 with man-to-man coverage on the corners, little blitzing and absolutely no surprises. Two seasons ago, KC quarterback Damon Huard said he fell asleep watching Raider film because the defense does the same thing every play.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:28 am
M,
So what you are saying is that Al can do it any way he wants just because 30 other teams will also fail to win the SB?
I guess Al can go ahead and draft women too…he will just be one of many teams that fail to win the SB so it’s okay.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Ahhhhhhhhhh the dreams of the pipe =)
January 26th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I missed the Senior Bowl because I was getting a train run on me. What did I miss?
January 26th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Dakota,
my sole point about the hiring of coaches and staff is what’s the hurry? everybody seems to want to snatch up the next “brilliant coaching mind” or to retread a coach who has worn out his welcome elsewhere. doesn’t really seem to get most teams anywhere they want to be.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I got a question for you, Nation.
Who do you think knows LESS about football, Dakotex or La Feminine Napkin?
That’s a tough one.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Well Dakota if we look at it at a diffrent angle,it might start 2 make sence.I suggest Big Al is putting in his own system(per usual)and he getting the best people 4 that system ,a-la ZBS he wants the right fit.This is the big part: Big Al SAW when the season was lost,this guy named Tom Cable got the players to respond just like their “ancestors” did.Imo that was HUGE.Sooooo Cable is our HC,he loves the Raiders and the players see that,obviously.Big Al is giving Cable the tools 2 return da Raiders 2 GREATNESS,imo
January 26th, 2009 at 8:46 am
M,
I have no problem with the length of time it takes to hire a coach; I have a problem with the quality of the candidates we now have to resort to after the embarrassment Al Davis has brought upon the Raiders.
Gilbride, Cable, Fassel, Moss? Are you kidding me?
January 26th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Interestiong quote from Chris Mortensen on ESPN’s “The Herd” this morning. “I told Lane Kiffin when he was fired, atleast I get paid to lie. You are no longer getting paid for your lies” Very weird quote.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:50 am
“One drawback with the Raiders job is a defensive coordinator comes in knowing there will be a certain way of doing things, with a lot of man-to-man coverage in the secondary and little in the way of conventional blitzing or zone blitzing.”
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Therein lies the problem. Doesn’t matter who we get. It’ll be the same ole sh1t. Been a Raider fan for a long time and can’t remember when we’ve ever deviated from man defense with little blitzing.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
# Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 8:46 am
M,
I have no problem with the length of time it takes to hire a coach; I have a problem with the quality of the candidates we now have to resort to after the embarrassment Al Davis has brought upon the Raiders.
Gilbride, Cable, Fassel, Moss? Are you kidding me?
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I hear you brother. The mourning continues for this team. The legacy is dead.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Dakota,
point taken
January 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
or maybe it makes no sence at all
January 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
RaiderTay,
Mort said that to Kiffie? Wow.
January 26th, 2009 at 8:57 am
4eva,
might as well see a thread of hope in the manner of action or inaction whichever it may be.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Who knows what Mort meant with that quote? What was the context? Was he being facetious? Hard to tell what someone meant unless you hear how that person said it.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Well Dakota if we look at it at a diffrent angle,it might start 2 make sence.I suggest Big Al is putting in his own system(per usual)and he getting the best people 4 that system ,a-la ZBS he wants the right fit.This is the big part: Big Al SAW when the season was lost,this guy named Tom Cable got the players to respond just like their “ancestors” did.Imo that was HUGE.Sooooo Cable is our HC,he loves the Raiders and the players see that,obviously.Big Al is giving Cable the tools 2 return da Raiders 2 GREATNESS,imo
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4eva,
Hey man, if that is what is happening and you can see the good in the situation I am happy for you. I hope you are right about Cable. I like to look at the entire picture and I saw 4 of the most embarrassing defeats in Oakland Raider history under Cable, but if you fall under the spell of the recency effect then I am happy for you. By judging a man by two wins at the end of the season (one of which he only won because a player he refused to play had to play due to injury) then you allow yourself to be content with the choice of that man as head coach, despite his 15-43 overall record as a HC.
I hope I am wrong about Cable, but I doubt it. I like him but he needs to get back in his comfort zone and coach the o-line.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I have no problem with the classic Raiders man-press coverage, but the no blitzing is a killer. Maybe you can get away with that if you have Howie Long and Lyle Alzado coming off the ends, but how often are you going to have two guys like that?
When Rob was dialing up occasional blitzes in the first half of last season it seemed to work pretty often. For some reason we abandoned the blitz later in the season. Thomas Howard could be a tremendous weapon as a blitzing LB. Alston too. If we ran a defense like LeBeau or Rex Ryan or Jim Johnson (go figure, all three blitz-heavy coordinators were in Championship games) I think we have enough talent to be a top-tier defense.
But as frustrating as the defense can be, I think the offense was the bigger problem last year. Part of that was sticking with Kwame at LT for most of the season. Another part was JaMarcus was basically a rookie QB. But to me the offense definitely needs more attention in the draft. That’s why I’d go:
1) Maclin, WR, Missouri
2) Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
And then continue to address o-line, get a backup QB and defense through the rest of the draft.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I assume Mort was being sarcastic because Al accused both Mort and Kiffin of being liars. He wasn’t serious.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:21 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 7:48 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Trestman was brought in by Davis to get Gannon over the hump into elite status in 2001 and became OC in 2002 so he was there with and without Gruden.
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“LOL, please show me where you got that info.. Al DAvis had nothing to do with the hiring of Marc Trestman..
He was hired BY GRUDEN, and when Gruden left Trestman was elevated BY CALLAHAN… Al Davis had nothing to do with it..(maybe that is why it worked)”
LMN you are such a piece of work and so full sh1t!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Yea I assumed he was being facetious, but even in that context it was still weird.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Don’t overlook how much better Mario Henderson played than Kwame Harris, too:
Raiders Avg. Points Per game in 2008:
With Henderson starting (5 games): 26
With Kwame Harris starting (11 games): 10.5
Cable’s inability to make this switch much sooner in the season is a major reason I don’t trust him as our head coach.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am
If anything it solidified to me that Kiff was the one feeding Chris Mortensen.
On the flip side if he really said that to him why would you poke fun at a guy who just got fired.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
LMN
It is widely known that Al Davis hires all of the assistants, have you not been paying attention for years? Now suddenly Gruden hired Trestman just to suit your wrong argument? Get a grip, you are wrong. Again!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RaiderTay Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am
If anything it solidified to me that Kiff was the one feeding Chris Mortensen.
On the flip side if he really said that to him why would you poke fun at a guy who just got fired.
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RaiderTay,
I am sure Mort and Kiffin both think Al and the Raiders are a joke and what he said to Kiffin was probably taken by Kiffin as a joke. They both probably laughed their asses off when Mort said that to Kiffin.
Just my speculation.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
LMN
It is widely known that Al Davis hires all of the assistants, have you not been paying attention for years? Now suddenly Gruden hired Trestman just to suit your wrong argument? Get a grip, you are wrong. Again!
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Wrong, Al doesn’t hire all of the assistants. Any Raiders fan with a brain knows Kiffin hired Knapp and Cable, so it is logical to assume that Gruden may have had a say in hiring Trestman.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Dakota
Many a truth is said in jest. Mortensen was being honest. Both men have been caught in several lies. Ever since Kiffin left, Mortensen’s “inside info” has all been wrong. When Kiffin was here he was feeding Mortensen real inside info, probably on the daily.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
# Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
LMN
It is widely known that Al Davis hires all of the assistants, have you not been paying attention for years? Now suddenly Gruden hired Trestman just to suit your wrong argument? Get a grip, you are wrong. Again!
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LOL, no, its just fact that Gruden and Callahan was the reason for his career in Oakland.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
LMN
It is widely known that Al Davis hires all of the assistants, have you not been paying attention for years? Now suddenly Gruden hired Trestman just to suit your wrong argument? Get a grip, you are wrong. Again!
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Wrong, Al doesn’t hire all of the assistants. Any Raiders fan with a brain knows Kiffin hired Knapp and Cable, so it is logical to assume that Gruden may have had a say in hiring Trestman.”
May have had a say? Talk about speculation, that is the definition of the word.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
The joke was on anyone who ever believed Kiffie at all. From his “I’m in!” beginning he was looking for a way out. The only way the “I’m in!” statement would not be a lie is if it what he is used to saying to his wife to let her know that he is in the process of screwing her.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Assuming Crabtree is gone, I think the Raiders should definitely take Maclin at No. 7. Think about the playmakers that would give this offense:
RB1: McFadden – Explosive, strong runner and very good receiver
RB2: Bush – Big, strong rusher and excellent receiver
RB3: Fargas – Hard, tough runner with decent speed and a 1,000 yard season in 2007.
WR1: Maclin – Blazing rookie WR with good hands coming off a 100-catch season (in 14 games)
WR2: Schillens – Big, fast target with good hands and a lot of upside
WR3: Higgins – Big-play guy whose great at picking up YAC and one of the best return men in the game
WR4: Shields – A talented WR with a lot of upside if he can stay healthy
TE: Miller – The best young TE in the game
So if we draft Maclin to be a true No. 1 WR, we can focus the rest of the draft and free agency on shoring up the o-line and defense.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
floridapete; what the hell are you smoking? Ft. Ord was NEVER a basic training base. Ever.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Dakota..
I was just going to post that about Cable..
January 26th, 2009 at 9:37 am
LMN
The “reason” is much different than the guy that actually did the hiring. Give me a break with your nonsense. I that you are never able to admit that you are wrong, you can’t convince me otherwise. You are a liar that makes stupid stuff up just to suit your argument so you never have to admit that you are clearly wrong. Again. LOL
January 26th, 2009 at 9:41 am
LMN
Just like when Dakota owned you a few weeks back, when he had to spell it out for you that Bates did the play calling for the Bronco’s last year.
He OWNED you, clearly proved you wrong, yet you never admitted it, not once.
There are so many more examples of your atrocious behavior, yet I don’t have the time. At some point you will just have to realize that I am right. LOL.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
M Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
The joke was on anyone who ever believed Kiffie at all. From his “I’m in!” beginning he was looking for a way out. The only way the “I’m in!” statement would not be a lie is if it what he is used to saying to his wife to let her know that he is in the process of screwing her.
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M,
Come on man, you don’t know that kiffin was looking for a way out right away. You can’t know that. For all we know Kiffin was 100% committed to the Raiders but Al didn’t keep his promises and that is why late in 2007 or early 2008 Kiffin wanted out. Who worth his salt wouldn’t want out? That is why we have to settle for a lap dog like Cable.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Guys/g@ys, gather around and give me your best shot!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:48 am
When CC (coach-cable)took over we were in total dis-array,imo.The webs of deceit had 2 be cleared away so the sun could start 2 shine inside,and kiff spun many -a-web,imo.Unfortunitly I saw those 4 terrible losses,but maybe it was 2B expected per above statment.Yes as you all know the glass is half-full imo,but the way he brought the team back,it was like a snow-ball affect.2 bad he didnt have pre-season and all 2 be prepaired.He WILL be prepaired come September
January 26th, 2009 at 9:48 am
“so it is logical to assume that Gruden may have had a say in hiring Trestman.”
What a firm statement. You assume far too much, probably in life as well. But you can still tell me how wrong I am based on your ASSUMPTIONS! Are you for real?
January 26th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I own man on man porn!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
M Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
The joke was on anyone who ever believed Kiffie at all. From his “I’m in!” beginning he was looking for a way out. The only way the “I’m in!” statement would not be a lie is if it what he is used to saying to his wife to let her know that he is in the process of screwing her.
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“M,
Come on man, you don’t know that kiffin was looking for a way out right away. You can’t know that. For all we know Kiffin was 100% committed to the Raiders but Al didn’t keep his promises and that is why late in 2007 or early 2008 Kiffin wanted out. Who worth his salt wouldn’t want out? That is why we have to settle for a lap dog like Cable.”
Dakota calling someone out for ASSUMING that they know what was going down.
Hypocrite!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
LMN/Dakota,
You guys are goofy. No OC or DC gets hired by the Raiders without Al’s approval. Kiffin wanted Knapp and Cable, sold Al on them and Al said OK, they’re hired. Same with Gruden, Callahan, and Trestman. So at least give Al the credit for buying into Gruden and Callahan’s offensive ideas. When Al traded Gruden, he no doubt re-evaluated Trestman as OC and OK’d him again. Unfortunately the same is true of Tom Walsh. Al gives his coaches the opportunity to convince him of their vision. He is often wrong, but when Al was right (with Trestman) his share of the credit should be acknowledged.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
LMN you are such a troll
January 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Amen BSJ!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Come OnMan..
funny how you dont live up to your own standar, huh? you keep lying but thats okay?..
yup, Dakota “Owned” me, if that means he showed me that I was wrong when I thought it was the HC calling the Offensive plays..
Furthermore… I admitted so!… so Come on Man… you have nohigh ground.. you cant live up to your own standards, and your claims (that I dont admit when Im wrong) are also proved wrong…
January 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
4eva,
I hope you are right. But Al is already working at undermining Cable. If Al wanted the players to believe in Cable he would have named him HC after the season ended one month ago. Now the players are just sitting around waiting for news just like us (or on ESPN stumping for Gilbride) and thinking Al must not have confidence in Cable. Then when Cable is named HC everyone will know Cable was not Al’s first choice and the players will think that they can walk all over him just like they walked all over Al’s previous lap dog coaches.
It never ends. Lol, how is that for glass half empty?
January 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
LMN
The only liar in here is you. I have not lied once. This is just a pathetic attempt to ignore the truth about yourself.
Do what you have to do to continue your life of denial.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:56 am
LMN
Furthermore you NEVER admitted that you were wrong about Bates, NEVER! To the point where Dakota had to post and tell you “not to worry about it, it was an honest mistake”. Your response was “OK” not “I was wrong” or anything close to that. The sad thing is the biggest lies you tell are the ones you tell to yourself. Good luck with that.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
LMN/Dakota,
You guys are goofy.
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Dakota, let me beat you to it…
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/3feec1f6b409c48b5210888b8ecf4d7be22f901c_m.jpg
January 26th, 2009 at 9:58 am
LMN
While you are scrambling to fabricate some fake post to back up your lies, you might consider trying to prove, in any post, where I have lied. I have not lied about a damn thing and you know it. You are a pathetic little man.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Dakota
any more assumptions that you would like to claim as fact?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Some one has to hold you two lovers accountable
January 26th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Bo,
Technically, Al has to sign off on everything Raider related, but the point was Kiffin hired Knapp and Cable. He went out and recruited them and at the end of the day Al signed off on them, but it was Kiffin that really hired them. Al obviously gives his HC more latitude in hiring offensive assistants, so it is likely he did the same with Gruden. That was my only point. No one knows for sure.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
LMN & Dakota
You both get proven wrong and you both magically disappear? How convenient.
Let me guess, now one of you suckers will post as me or some clever take on my name and then say stupid crap, just like you did a few minutes ago. Pathetic.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Dakota
That’s right, ignore the truth. So predictable. Don’t you stand by the nonsense that you say?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Dakota
Don’t you remember how wrong I was based on your ASSUMPTIONS?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Dakota likes to tell everyone else how wrong they are but when he is wrong he will just ignore you.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:12 am
lmao
January 26th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Dakota
That’s right, ignore the truth. So predictable. Don’t you stand by the nonsense that you say?
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What are you blabbering on about?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
=)
January 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
hey Jerry, how about a new fix? this one was from Saturday …
Raider fans want to know. Did Davis ever interview Trestman or McGinnis?
who else might they be interested in for OC & DC?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
LMN/Dakota,
You guys are goofy. No OC or DC gets hired by the Raiders without Al’s approval.
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Absolutely, not even a janitor gets hired without Al approving..its a symptom of the Mental-disease that are raving our franchise..
But that was not my case at all, SLD had the Claim that Al found Trestman, and that it was him who elevated Trestman to OC…
Thats not the case… Gruden “found” Tretman, and Callahan elevated Trestman to OC.. AND OF COURSE DID AL APPROVE or else it wouldn´t had happen..
January 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
LMN & Dakota
You both get proven wrong and you both magically disappear? How convenient.
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No need to argue with you, for each comment you post, you make an argument against you… so no need..
January 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
See ya guys..
Take Care, it time for me to make some dinner =)
January 26th, 2009 at 10:18 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
LMN & Dakota
“You both get proven wrong and you both magically disappear? How convenient.
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No need to argue with you, for each comment you post, you make an argument against you… so no need..”
LMN
This doesn’t even make sense. Nice try.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Dakota
That’s right, ignore the truth. So predictable. Don’t you stand by the nonsense that you say?
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What are you blabbering on about?
Dakota Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Come on Man! Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Wrong, Al doesn’t hire all of the assistants. Any Raiders fan with a brain knows Kiffin hired Knapp and Cable, so it is logical to assume that Gruden may have had a say in hiring Trestman.”
You tell me how wrong I am and you back up your argument with pure speculation and assumption. Get it yet?
January 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Come on Man,
What is your usual name on this blog? Maybe if you posted your comments under your usual name and without the childish website address people might take you seriously? Just a thought.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
LMN
You can’t run from the truth about yourself forever
January 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
For those that want crabtree, he may be available at #7..
“Pro Football Weekly reports there is talk circulating that the Seahawks “could” have interest in impending free agent T.J. Houshmandzadeh.
As a chain-moving possession threat who rarely drops passes, Housh would be a solid fit in Seattle’s West Coast attack. Pro Football Weekly doesn’t think the Seahawks will want to rely on youngsters Logan Payne, Courtney Taylor, and Ben Obomanu again. Payne and Obomanu are both coming off injury.
Source: Pro Football Weekly”
January 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I see all the anti-Davis flunkies are still here living in fantasy land thinking all the whining will help their mission to remove Davis, good luck schmucks.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Dakota
Here’s a thought:
How about facing the issue instead of trying to distract from the point with your nonsense about my name. LMN is a tool, you are inching very close to where he is.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Anyone that thinks ANYONE other then davis makes ALL the decisions is just delusionally irrational and therefore cannot be reasoned with.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
new post!
January 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Come on Man,
It was widely reported that Kiffin hired his offensive assistants. You can call that assumptions if you would like, I really don’t care.
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Inside Bay Area: Kiffin hires two for Raiders
New Raiders coach Lane Kiffin has made his first hires by tabbing USC graduate assistant Yogi Roth as an offensive assistant and one-time USC director of football operations Mark Jackson for a front-office role, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Kiffin still is waiting to hear back from Greg Knapp on whether he intends to accept an offer to become the Raiders offensive coordinator and from Tom Cable on whether he wants the Raiders offensive line post.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Mr Davis makes ALL staffing decisions regarding coaches.
What some of you may not realize is that he does solicit input from various people within and outside of the organization prior to making the decision.
Where Mr Davis has failed us is the 2000 to 2003 drafts. The 2009 draft will have a much greater impact on our team than who the DC or OC will be.
2007 and 2008 drafts were solid. Let’s hope for the same in 2009.(No WR before round four).
January 26th, 2009 at 10:58 am
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January 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Hire Jim Fassel/Chris in NY Says:
January 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Assuming Crabtree is gone, I think the Raiders should definitely take Maclin at No. 7. Think about the playmakers that would give this offense:
RB1: McFadden – Explosive, strong runner and very good receiver
RB2: Bush – Big, strong rusher and excellent receiver
RB3: Fargas – Hard, tough runner with decent speed and a 1,000 yard season in 2007.
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So if we draft Maclin to be a true No. 1 WR, we can focus the rest of the draft and free agency on shoring up the o-line and defense.
^^Taking a WR #1 who does not have the skill set or freak ability of Moss,Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitz and expecting him to be a #1 WR in his rookie season is a futile way of thinking.
January 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Does anyone really believe what the papers write? Are there that many clueless people? I guess so,look who’s running the country.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Did you see the game Al Davis? This was a game of new thinking and ways of attacking, not your warmed over 70’s schemes. Both teams got a young, fresh-thinking coach and put talent on the field, something the Raiders with you selection on draft day have been unable to achieve in 25 plus years. Hint: Get a front office person that knows football and let him hire a new coach and let them do the draft selections, since it is obvious that you do not know what the f-ck you are doing. Success will not return to RaiderNation until we change course. If Arizona can go to the big game, why not us? Talent Al, we need talent. Not the over the hill players you keep dumping on us year after year and try to pass off as players. These people are a joke and I personally will not pay to see subpar bullsh-t any longer.
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