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D-coordinator candidates a mystery

It’s Day 27 on the seemingly inevitable march to Tom Cable as Raiders head coach, and while there have been hints, clues and confirmed interviews for that job and others, it’s been a veritable information void with regard to the replacement for Rob Ryan as defensive coordinator.

A few names have bubbled to the surface, only to be quickly shot down.

Linebackers coach Don Martindale met with Al Davis and talked a lot of defensive football, but he ended up believing he was a head coaching candidate. When Martindale found out otherwise, he ended up a linebackers coach in Denver.

Ed Donatell, a veteran NFL assistant with experience as a coordinator, was floated as a possibility. He had a logical connection in that he has worked Cable.

The Raiders’ company line? Donatell’s name never came up _ a distinct possibility because Donatell also ended up in Denver, coaching defensive backs.

Around the same time Martindale interviewed, Davis spoke with defensive backs coach Darren Perry. Perry, I’m told, is not a candidate and is looking for work elsewhere.

The most recent name was Tennessee linebackers coach Dave McGinnis. McGinnis interviewed with Oakland in 2004 for defensive coordinator. Rather than wait through the process while there was a phone interview with Eric Mangini, a sought-after interview with Rex Ryan which the Ravens declined and then the eventual interview with Rob Ryan, McGinnis took the Titans job.

Having lost defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to the Detroit Lions, the Titans are expected to hire Chuck Cecil to take his place, rather than McGinnis.

Former Raider exec Mike Lombardi reported the Raiders had talked with McGinnis. A team spokesman said McGinnis’ name has not come up.

Neither has that of Ron Meeks, the deposed Indianapolis defensive coordinator who interviewed with the Raiders in 1998 for the job that went to Willie Shaw.

Meeks would seem an unlikely fit, anyway, given the Colts’ Cover 2 defensive philosophy and a penchant for using smaller, faster players rather than imposing physical specimens.

The Raiders interviewed Green Bay assistant head coach and linebackers coach Winston Moss for the head coaching job, but Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters Moss would be back in Green Bay if he isn’t hired in Oakland _ meaning he won’t be a defensive coordinator here.

Carolina defensive line coach Mike Trgovac declined an offer to return as defensive coordinator but was on the market only a few days before agreeing to join Dom Capers’ defensive staff in Green Bay.

One drawback with the Raiders job is a defensive coordinator comes in knowing there will be a certain way of doing things, with a lot of man-to-man coverage in the secondary and little in the way of conventional blitzing or zone blitzing.

Perhaps the Raiders will talk to Bob Sanders, who was dumped in in favor of Capers in Green Bay but whose team played nearly as much man coverage as the Raiders with Charles Woodson and Al Harris at the corners. Newly hired secondary coach Lionel Washington worked at Green Bay under Sanders.

Washington and Dwaine Board, expected to be named defensive line coach within the next few days, have been the two new additions to what will be a revamped defensive staff.

Sanders is speculation on my part. Your guess is as good as mine, so guess away.

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  • Florida Pete

    Gruden is not and never will be a good coach on an ongoing basis…

    Gruden would be great for a young team… because of the discipline he would bring…

    BUT…

    Gruden would be equally horrible for a young team because he doesn’t like rookies… he likes veterans…

    AND SO

    Gruden would be bad for a veteran team… because veterans can only take his crap for a about a year or two before his welcome wears out…

    he needs to join Kiffie… he can pretend the seniors are veterans…

    now that might work…

  • Florida Pete

    darkknight01 Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    # Florida Pete Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…

    Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…

    ^^The DT’s that I am high on are Peria Jerry, Ziggy Hood, Alex Magee, and Fili Moala.

    Terrance Taylor from Michigan is intriguing as well.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    HAHA !!! so basically you like all of them except for the two Boston College kids that i like !!!!

    hey… you might be right… but i still like my two BC boys…

  • Sweep the leg (This site)

    I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.

    I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.

    They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.

    BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.

  • lefty12

    any fan can’t be happy with the resent history of our Oakland Raiders.we all know the owner/gm hasn’t done a very good job during this time.but i don’t see where it does any good to come here everyday and complain about the old guy-he isn’t going anywhere.what do those that come here daily and point out how bad things have been hope to accomplish?are you just trying to get other people to hate the team and the owner/gm like you seem to?are you hoping to spread your hate so no one will attend games and they WILL be forced to move?what are your real agendas,because you aren’t going to change the old guy.

  • darkknight01

    # Florida Pete Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    my experience with well run, popular blogs is that it does make a difference…

    popular political blogs are actually read by the staffs of politicians… opinions expressed and supported get noticed…

    and action is often taken…

    i know this is true because of the stink about the Dubai ports deal… it was blog activity that really got the ball rolling on that…

    i think the same thing happened last year with the pick of McFadden… i do believe people in the Raider front office read this… and i do think they as least consider what is being said…

    start talking about Jasper Brinkley enough and we may very well get someone in the front office to seriously look at this guy…

    so, if you think your opinions have no weight and that everything is futile… then continue as you are…

    but, if something i say convinces you that we can make a difference, have some input…

    then join the discussion of what we think the team should do…

    ^^I agree….I also believe front office staff may have heard our voices when it came to looking to draft Michael Bush in the later rounds 2 years ago.

    A lot of us were united in our takes of how this team should snatch Bush if the time was right and picking him with the 1st pick in day two that year was a nice wake up call! Good stuff!

    Taking DMC last year ended up being the no brainer IMO unless they traded down of course.

  • darkknight01

    # Florida Pete Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    darkknight01 Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    # Florida Pete Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    i would also like to say that several DTs were very impressive in the Senior Bowl…

    Peria Jerry looked like Jerry Ball out there, very impressive…

    ^^The DT’s that I am high on are Peria Jerry, Ziggy Hood, Alex Magee, and Fili Moala.

    Terrance Taylor from Michigan is intriguing as well.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    HAHA !!! so basically you like all of them except for the two Boston College kids that i like !!!!

    hey… you might be right… but i still like my two BC boys…

    ^^ I don’t like ALL of them, but those are the only ones worth drafting in round 2 or later.

    I don’t take BJ Raji with the #7 overall pick because he is not worth the #7 selection IMO. He is basically a three technique and Kelly is already basically a three technique. And if you want a two gapper just clog space, then those can be found later in round 3 or 4. The ONE DT that I would target with the 2nd Round pick is the Darnell Dockett built and in shape type of DT in Ziggy Hood or Alex Magee.

  • lefty12

    stud DEs are much more difficult to find than DTs.Burgess will be gone after this year.most rookies don’t have any real impact until years 2or 3.take Orakpo this year with our 1st pick and Burgesses loss won’t be so big.also,it will take a lot leverage away from him in trying to get a monster contract.Orakpo can be a part time player this year and step in next year.we would then be set at DE-Orakpo,Richardson,and Scott-for quite a while.

  • Florida Pete

    Sweep the leg (This site) Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.

    I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.

    They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.

    BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    i didn’t want McF, and didn’t like the “lightweight” DT’s (i like my DT’s in the 330 pound class)… but… i did want Chris Long or Vernon Gholston…

    basically, my first rounder would not have impressed…

    now i did lobby for Curtis Lofton in the 2nd… now that would have been a winner…

    you’re welcome to check out my draft preferences above… tell me what you think…

    as for Dubai and Mike Savage… don’t know… but i started rabble rousing in the Crooks and Liars blog about a week before it hit the big time news…

  • RaiderZ

    Florida Pete Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    my experience with well run, popular blogs is that it does make a difference…

    ———
    The BLOG may make a difference but not the stupid comments you all write. Commenting on a blog does not mean you are blogging.

  • darkknight01

    # Sweep the leg (This site) Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    I only saw bits and pieces of the game, I have it dvr’d, but I saw a play where he got pushed around. I can only say what I heard Mayock say.

    I hope that we get a DT this year, I really thought we would be better off with Dorsey than McFadden.

    They made Dorsey sound like the next coming of Joe Greene. No one ever really knows until they suit up and face live bullets.

    BTW, Mike Savage had alot to do with the Dubai situation.

    ^^The media was hyping Dorsey up because they knew we needed D-Line help and they were hoping DMC would fall to the Jets. haha

  • lefty12

    BTW,Orakpo is considered a top 5 talent,where Raji isn’t.better bang for the buck.of course an OT could be the first pick.i’m not convinced the brass is sold on Henderson as much as the people who post here are.

  • Florida Pete

    bedtime for me…

    goodnight all…

  • Glutten for Punishment

    i sure wouldnt mind sharing a new stadium. that would be sweet. McAfee is old and out dated

  • lefty12

    people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.

  • Sweep the leg (This site)

    Florida Pete,

    I went and checked out Jasper Brinkley on my draft site, he sure looks the part. Looks like he could take care of himself. I don’t think I have seen him play. Whats the scoop?

  • TrevJo

    I’m just glad Rob Ryan isn’t the defensive coordinator anymore.

    Here’s an idea, though. Hire a real general manager, let him hire his choice of head coach, and let the head coach hire his choice of coordinators. Never mind, that’s crazy talk!

  • Sweep the leg (This site)

    lefty12 Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.

    ——————————————————- You are right about that, and how many times have we seen a great athlete be a rookie sensation and then flame out because he doesn’t put in the film study, and hard work.

  • darkknight01

    # lefty12 Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    people who knock Dorsey and Ellis should hold there critiques a little longer.M.Williams was laughed at after his 1st year also.

    ^^Mario Williams is a DE…not a DT. I’m certainly not knocking Ellis or Dorsey, but it’s not like they were pass rushing DE’s who are beasts and can do it all. The bang for the buck and the value with making a top 5 pick IMO is not at the DT position.

  • Sweep the leg (This site)

    G-nite all.

  • WillistheFake

    #443 BHP

    Maybe you should re-read post number 101 and follow your own advise.

  • WillistheFake

    Florida Pete

    The only way to go is to trade down and get more picks. We have a lot of needs WR/DT/DE soon to include P/OT/OG/C all are need positions. With that being said look for Al to draft either a CB or RB with the first pick.

  • darkknight01

    # lefty12 Says:
    January 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    stud DEs are much more difficult to find than DTs.Burgess will be gone after this year.most rookies don’t have any real impact until years 2or 3.take Orakpo this year with our 1st pick and Burgesses loss won’t be so big.also,it will take a lot leverage away from him in trying to get a monster contract.Orakpo can be a part time player this year and step in next year.we would then be set at DE-Orakpo,Richardson,and Scott-for quite a while.

    ^^Orakpo and Everette Brown are going to be solid in the NFL I think. They can play down in a 4-3 and some situations they can also stand up and rush the passer or disrupt the run and or drop bacl. More value in taking a DE than a DT with a top 7 pick.

  • lefty12

    Sweep-young players can’t really be judged until they’ve played at least 3 years in the league.maybe the reason they are judged so early is everyone wants to claim how right they were.i’ve read people on here say that Dorsey and Ellis proved last year we shouldn’t have drafted them,while ignoring the fact Dmac also had a mediocre rookie year because they wanted us to draft Dmac(i’m not knocking Dmac,just using this as an example).

  • lefty12

    Darknight-post 518.i wasn’t comparing them-DE vs DT-i was stating you can’t judge a rookie after his 1st year.why are you trying to argue when we totally agree about DEs vs DTs?

  • darkknight01

    Lefty,

    Not arguing, just saying that Williams is different than Dorsey and Ellis position wise.

  • Voldemort

    I think Mario has earned his chance at LT, he dominated some of the best DEs in the league in the games he played in, and for that reason, I don’t think we go OT untill our second round pick, in which we will get a RT. I don’t think it makes sense to pay an RT #7 money. I think our first pick will be J Maclin, I am siding with Mel Kiper on this one, but a lot can change after the combine. Chris Johnson of the Titans was not considered to even be a 1st round pick until he posted that 4.2 40 time last year, so we’ll see. But, if Maclin runs a 4.3 and Crabtree is gone, I bet anything we take Maclin. Here is something to think about though…If we were tragically unable to re-sign Nnamdi, and instead opted to trade him, we would be guaranteed a 1st and possibly 3rd for him, or a first and a player close to his calliber…What if we drafted Maclin with one first rounder, and Leonitus ferom Ohio ST (Badass MLB) with our other first? I would like that look alot! Howard Leonitus and Morrison in that order from left to right as our LB corps would be sick! But, on the whole, I’d rather have Al give the contract he gave to D hall to Aso instead…(7 year 70 million, w/ insentives). I really don’t want to lose Aso or Lechler, but I fear we will have to lose at least one of them. Either loss will be devastating to the team.

  • Voldemort

    Everyone asleep? good night fellas, gotta go to Vegas for a few days on business, so I will check back with the nation on thursday, maybe we wil have a coach by then…lol, I doubt it. Don’t worry about me while I’m gone though guys, I unlike Walker am not a coke head idiot, so I don’t think I’ll have to worry about any drug deals going bad on me. Hopefully I’ll return with my wallet and watch still in my possesion, and my eye socket firmly intact. LOL, later Nation!

  • http://lmnsuxballs.net Come on Man!

    KoolKell is a moron that loves losing

  • Luigi Raideronni

    Yup, KoolKell is a man that loves to lose, this much is painfully clear.

  • Hire Jim Fassel/Chris in NY

    No way is Raji worth the No. 7 pick. That guy has underachiever written all over him. He’s nowhere near the difference maker one of these guys would be:

    The only guys I consider at No. 7 are:
    – Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
    – Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
    – Andre Smith, LT, Alabama
    – Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC

    At least one of those guys should be there. If I had to guess I’d say it could be between Maclin & Maualuga, although I could see Cincinnati taking Maualuga at No. 6. Which is fine with me. I think Maclin might have more upside than any top-10 pick in this draft.

  • http://contracostatimes No More Fargas

    Macklin and crabtree both could be good but damn how bad is the o and d lines you cant go with either one next year. First thing we need to fix is stopping the run if you wanna be a good nfl team run the ball and stop the run! And henderson did great but can he be a full time LT their paying j-russ a lot of money gotta have his blindside. Imagine dmac running free with big holes, imagine miller not having to stay in and block . You win football games in the trenches

  • RaiderDave

    five hundred and thirty second

  • http://www.car.org/ KoolKell

    I’m not sure who I hate more, Jerry or Al Davis.

  • AndrewsMom

    Thats a easy one. You hate Al a lot more then scarymac but not near as much as you hate yourself.

  • http://raiders.com RaiderTW

    Why don’t you pack it up, sonder off and join another NFL fan base? Take Narco Bob & MR with you. Oh, and don’t let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out. I’m positive no one HERE would miss you.

  • edward teach

    The only issue I have with Orakpo is that he weighs 250 pounds. That would be fine if he were a 3-4 OLB, but if you’re going to spend a #7 overall on a guy he’d better be an every-down player, especially on defense. Opposing tackles would have a field day with that guy if he was on the field for running downs; Alex Boone from Ohio State did very well against him in the Fiesta Bowl when the Buckeyes ran the ball.

    Still wouldn’t be a big surprise to see us take Malcom Jenkins there (if the Browns don’t get him first, and they could pass on him because they need a running back).

  • http://PROFOOTBALLTALK.COM DIRT LOT FOOTBALL

    SKIP THIS DRAFT,USE MONEY TO SIGN NnAMDI….

  • RaiderRockstar

    so Darren Perry is not being considered and Mike Trgovac is off the market, huh?

    that’s terrible.

    Dave McGinnis or Bob Sanders might be good candidates. I’d even take Ron Meeks. Just say no to Jim Haslett!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jason Jones (Sac Bee) writes:

    Former Raiders offensive coordinator Marc Trestman reportedly remains a candidate to be the Raiders’ new offensive coordinator.

    Trestman is currently the head coach of the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League.

  • http://PROFOOTBALLTALK.COM DIRT LOT FOOTBALL

    IS TRESTMAN STRICTLY A WCO GUY?

  • http://raidersblog perry

    Here we go another off season with no direction, every thing done in Oakland these days is backwards, Don’t ya think the head coach should be hired first, then he [the head coach], select who he wants to be his other coaches to work under him..This Raider fans is why the team is not in the class of a Pittsburgh, or Indy, or new England,because we have a owner who does not want to let go, and let some one come in here and get this team headed back inthe right direction,, Al Davis folks is the coach, and has been, and that is why we have had 6 straight 11 lose seasons, and no direction,,ALL our good players want to move elsewhere, this is a total mess.
    The bottom line in all of this , is i truly believe AL Davis does not really care,he just wants to get this team back to LA, and screw the Oakland fans,,What other reason is there, no owner in their right mind, who has lost so much in the last 6 seasons would put up with this, and would try to get the team winning again,, No not AL Davis, same results in the win loss column, same way of handleing the off season, will result in the same results on the field in 2009..Lets make a deal, lets trade Al Davis to Pittsburgh, for Mr Rooney, then this team will be onits way back,,
    I ama frustrated raiders fan so sick of AL Davis and the way he doed things
    Aloyal fan of the raidersfor 40 years,,
    Perry

  • RaiderRockstar

    dirt lot: no clue

    anybody else know?

    I know he’s been a top notch QB coach and OC in the league. He’s doing well in the CFL too as a Head Coach

  • DirtyBathWater

    Cmon Davis quit with all the mystery mumbo jumbo and bring the guys so we can focus on this year and the draft,BTW good morning nation!!!!

  • Sith Lord Davis

    No Perry, I think Al is doing the right thing by not listening to morons that think the coach should hire his staff after the last two head coaches screwed it up.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    Trestman had a good stint in San Fran but he is not a west coast offense guy, he got his start at the University of Miami.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    Seifert said this to Trestman at the time “I want you to forget what you know about football and start from scratch.” If that answers your question about his WCO roots. He also was part of Miami’s national championship team coaching Bernie Kosar.

  • http://PROFOOTBALLTALK.COM DIRT LOT FOOTBALL

    WAS HE HERE WITH GRUDEN OR AFTER ?

  • http://. Coyote Ugly

    Post 10 ROFL – Yeah our opponents are really confused by Al’s confusion. There is no way to spin this.

    Whomever is the DC will be handed an outdated philosophy, a questinable secondary entirely up for FA, a pourous overpaid D-line, two of the most overhyped and underperforming LB’s in Raiders history and a in-place staff of assistant coaches with no accountabiity or overall team concept.

    It won’t work.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    Trestman was brought in by Davis to get Gannon over the hump into elite status in 2001 and became OC in 2002 so he was there with and without Gruden.

  • Sith Lord Davis

    That outdated philosophy still wins today with the right players, ask Gruden and Shanahan.