Cable is coach when under contract
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When is a coach not a coach?
When he’s working for free and not under contract.
That’s the situation Tom Cable still finds himself in today.
“News” has begun to seep out through ESPN and the NFL Network that Cable is expected to be the Raiders head coach, which readers of this space have known for awhile now.
The stories are on point in that Cable is expected to be the head coach. Even Cable expects it, although he has declined comment since the Raiders’ season-ending press conference.
Problem is, until Cable signs a contract which says he is the coach, then he isn’t the coach. Which means that if Al Davis is struck by a sudden inspiration that someone else should be the coach, he can act upon that impulse.
There’s very little chance of that happening, but as much as everyone involved would like this to be over with, it’s up to the Raiders to have Cable put pen to paper and appear at a press conference.
Other items of note:
– Paul Hackett will be announced as the Raiders quarterbacks coach. He’s an excellent addition in that he is a better teacher of quarterbacks than anyone the Raiders had on staff last season, with all due respect to Lane Kiffin, Greg Knapp and John DeFilippo.
(Cable’s contributions were more of aggressiveness and mindset, rather than footwork and technical aspects of the game).
You can bet Hackett took plenty of mental notes watching JaMarcus Russell last year as an advance scout. It was one of the strangest things about the ‘08 Raiders, watching Hackett walk laps around the facility as the Raiders warmed up for practice, and be uninvolved in the development of the future of the franchise.
– John Marshall is scheduled to meet with the Raiders tonight and should merit serious consideration for defensive coordinator.
Marshall had the run of the defense working under offensive coaches Dan Henning in Atlanta, Steve Mariucci in San Francisco and Mike Holmgren in Seattle. But he also has worked under a George Seifert in Carolina, a noted control freak who wanted things done a certain way.
– The hiring of Dwaine Board, Marshall’s defensive line coach in Seattle and also a former 49ers assistant, was made official on the club’s Web site.
– Young Lance is getting some bad ink in the SEC, where he made less than a stellar impression crowing about how much money Tennessee spent in putting together a coaching staff, with columnists portraying him as a spoiled child.
Kiffin remains confident as ever. He even named his newborn son “Monte Knox Kiffin” and will call him “Knox.” After Knoxville, I presume. If Kiffin gets canned in Tennessee, I assume the toddler will have to get used to being called “Monte.”
– In Tuesday’s on-line chat, Anthony asked if the Raiders still got the extra minicamp allotted to a new coach if Cable had his interim tag removed. According to NFL Director of Football Information Vince Casey, the answer is yes. If Cable is hired, the Raiders can have the extra minicamp if they desire.
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January 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
pendejos
January 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
first is for putos
January 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
# 408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY!) Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
LMN
what happened 2 Brøndby?? (link) go Brøndby!
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see 944, i changed it, because I finally found that D-A-D number.. (i changed it back, as verification)
January 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
leave us hanging why dont ya Jerry!
Thanx 4 the fix…
January 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
yuuuuhoooooo Cable!!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Kirk Morrison will be a Bronco in 2009. In tha Bag.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
MORTENSEN IS A GOD DAMNED LIAR!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
LMN…
I thought it was funny that 4eva thought you was chemical ali.. no hard feelings bro..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
# Yalls Trippin Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Kirk Morrison will be a Bronco in 2009. In tha Bag.
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as long as they play him in the middle, fine by me..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Yalls tripping, are you a norteno?
January 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
good to hear.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
no multicultural mutt of sorts..what is it to you
January 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Florida Pete,
Love the focus on the lines and getting tougher up the middle. The only changes I would make to your list is as follows:
1st Round: B.J Raji – Difference Maker
2nd Round: Tony Kropog – Good RT in ZBS (need to deal with right tackle as its a high priority
3rd Round: Jasper Brinkley – The secret will get out about this guy if he performs well at the combine…just get him
4th Round: A.Q Shipley – Fleet footed Center who won the award for the Rimington Trophy for top Center
5th through 7th: Draft prospects at RG, DE and Free Safety
January 28th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
# 408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY!) Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
LMN…
I thought it was funny that 4eva thought you was chemical ali.. no hard feelings bro..
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I have Kurds as friends so, nope, i cant see the funny side… no hard feelings though… I got thick skin, i just would like to know why 4eva, said/thought so..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
You’re talking like a chacon, that’s why, yalls trippin. Some of the players used to buy their grass on 38th street in Oakland. I was just wondering if you were one of those nortenos over there. I want to know if Nnamdi has been visiting you guys. I need leverage on him. I’m going to blackmale that piece of shiiit. Ooops, did I say blackmale? black mail.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
# 408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY!) Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
ufck the donkeys!!!
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Yeah, long time with out that… and while we at it, fu©k uFCK as well..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
S&B NC…
we haven’t got a 5th..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
lmn, if we trade fargas we could have a 5th.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
As for wide receiver…the Raiders should try to bring in a veteran like Armani Toomer. Now he would be a nice addition. A veteran that knows how to run routes and catch the ball.
Otherwise, its going to incumbent that the Raiders coach up and play JLH and Schilens. They played well at the end of the year. Hope to hell that Shields has some talent and that Javon Walker can somehow get back on track.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Thanks for the update, Jerry. I like the news about Hackett as QB coach. He has a good track record in that capacity and should help JRuss’ development quite a bit.
Also good news about the extra minicamp, should Cable be the guy. That would be really nice; it would give him extra time, but maybe more importantly it would be a huge bonus for the young guys that are the future of this franchise.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
S&B NC…
we haven’t got a 5th..
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Oh yeah, gave that away for deAngelo Hall. Oh well, didn’t put much thought into the 5th round pick anyway. Use the 6th and 7th pick to find a Guard, End or Safety… 6th and 7th round is a crapshoot anyway.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
lmn, if we trade fargas we could have a 5th.
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thats what im hoping… btw are you the Jeremy fella from the chicago area?
January 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Yalls Trippin Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Kirk Morrison will be a Bronco in 2009. In tha Bag
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In 2009? Why are suggesting that. Morrison is under contract this year and was 2nd in tackles this year.
The Raiders won’t be trading him. No way!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
YOU’RE A LIAR, JERRY!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
lets name him coach and get going already, we have alot of question marks on the roster, al
January 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
jeremy Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
lmn, if we trade fargas we could have a 5th
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Would make sense if a trade could be arranged. But Fargas commands a decent salary. Raiders may do well to just keep the guy as long as he understands that carries might go down this year.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Plus Fargas is around 28 yrs old and is already injury proned.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
lmn, nah not from chicago.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
glad I could make you laugh 408 =)
January 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
LMN
I posted that picture because when we invaded !raq that dude (ali) kept sayin no we wernt there.. Kinda like Herrera..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
s&b, just worried that by keeping him around we will go through same crap with cable as hc. i think cable would be too loyal to him and that would suck.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Nmamdi,
I work in the financial sector, and you don’t have to explain to me about the “bailouts”. Paulson should be in jail for treason. But this isn’t a Repub-Dem thing, both sides are crooks and it isn’t to hard to figure that out.
But there is a reason Liberal states like New York and Florida, with the highest state income taxes are in recessions, while states with zero or small state income tax levels (Texas, Alaska) aren’t having the same issues. Liberals spend to much money on worth-less projects, CA being a perfect example.
We could go on and on, but I have to drive home so I’ll catch you in 45 minutes.
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um, i don’t pay any state income tax… wanna know why??? cause they don’t ask me to… and i do make six figures… you need a really big income to have to pay income taxes down here…
alaska doesn’t need an income tax because it’s oil revenues pay for everything… including what, 20% of the population being state employees…
pick better examples…
January 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
So who is going to be the offensive coordinator? Hope its not Paul Hackett. Although he can stay as QB coach. No problem with that.
Hopefully Al Davis will find an OC that can put the three running backs to good use AND find a way to use the talents of Miller and JLH.
No 3 yard and a cloud of dust types and please no WCO coaches either.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
408..
still dont find it funny, he is Jr version of Mengele… there is a reason to why he is called “Chemical”…
January 28th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
thinking it will be saunders as oc. al loves to stretch the field and have power running game and that is what saunders offenses are about. didn’t work too well in st. louis for him but he was very successful in k.c.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
408..
though the Herrera-Ali thing is quite funny..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
♫ The World is a Vampire ♫
(whatever that means) lol
January 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
jeremy Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
s&b, just worried that by keeping him around we will go through same crap with cable as hc. i think cable would be too loyal to him and that would suck.
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Agreed. Bush is a reincarnation of Earl Campbell IMO with better hands. Raiders would be insane to not play him. Not only should DMAC and Bush start…but the offense should be designed around these two as running backs. Set up the run and use Miller to keep offenses honest. If JLH and Schilens can step up that would be huge.
If I were a 7th round draft pick from San Diego State…I would find a condo near JaMarcus’ house and be working with the guy every day if possible. Just my opinion though
January 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
EXTRA MINI CAMP!!!
Thats sooo huge with this young team.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
later NATION…
January 28th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
John Marshall is a big disappointment. Another plain, mediocre easy to scout Defense. Just the kind Mr Davis likes.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
LMN we had been posting awhile and you were not in the flow.So I was wondering 2 myself where you were and linked 2 the picture that 408 posted Sooo…you and that picture were in my mind at the same time and VIOLA!!! I never meant no offense and I just thought you could add 2 the post’s we were posting Sorry would never offend you
January 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I work in the financial sector, and you don’t have to explain to me about the “bailouts”. Paulson should be in jail for treason. But this isn’t a Repub-Dem thing, both sides are crooks and it isn’t to hard to figure that out.
But there is a reason Liberal states like New York and Florida, with the highest state income taxes are in recessions, while states with zero or small state income tax levels (Texas, Alaska) aren’t having the same issues. Liberals spend to much money on worth-less projects, CA being a perfect example.
We could go on and on, but I have to drive home so I’ll catch you in 45 minutes.
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Works in the finacial sector but doesn’t know Texas and Alska are doing fine because THEY HAVE REPUBLICAN OIL??!!!
Man, no wonder we’re in finacial crisis…
January 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
i hope al and tom cable realized how special michael bush can be.without much playing time this year he stepped in the final game and won the game for us. he pounded the defense of the bucs until they broke down. i know they were getting the run stuffed down their throats prior to that game but they sure had the lid on fargas and mcfadden. bush can give you that physical presence that’ll make defenders think twice about tackling him. in the 3rd and 4th quarter the bucs d’ was done after steady pounding by bush.I LUV FARGAS BUT I’D RATHER HAVE BUSH AS OUR #1 OR 2 BACK
January 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
♫ The World is a Vampire ♫
(whatever that means) lol”
I believe it to mean that the World sucks the life blood out of us all, slowly and painfully.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Peace,
Secrest out!
January 28th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Plus Bush makes plays out of the backfield. Something that Fargas can’t do.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Well, there won’t be anybody for Al Davis to blame if things don’t work out this year.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
LMN we had been posting awhile and you were not in the flow.So I was wondering 2 myself where you were and linked 2 the picture that 408 posted Sooo…you and that picture were in my mind at the same time and VIOLA!!! I never meant no offense and I just thought you could add 2 the post’s we were posting Sorry would never offend you
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Aww thanks.. hoped you thought me and Ali was alike… peeeeeeeuwwwww, thats a relief..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
♫ The World is a Vampire ♫
(whatever that means) lol”
I believe it to mean that the World sucks the life blood out of us all, slowly and painfully.
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that makes sense… thanks =)
January 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
no prob LMN
January 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hey KK if you read earlier Oakglenn comments he was referring to the 6′7″,365 pound,4.8 second forty yard dash runner,Michael Oher.
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Here’s the actual statement:
Oakglenn Says:
January 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Priest that’s what I think is the problem here, most everyone doesn’t realize this is a fantastic offensive tackle draft class. Guys 6′5″, 340, run 4.8 forties, touch the top of the backboard, don’t just fall out the sky every fifteen minutes and there are like four of them at the top of the draft class.
And just so you know, 6′5″, Joe Staley now the starting Left tackle for the Whiners ran a 4.7 forty. I wipe my ass with both Sh** Lord and foolkell.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
rest of this months service window…
see ya in a while (hopefully it wont take as long as it did last night)
take care, all..
January 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
our d’ will always be eay to read with the man to man scheme, but it can work if we get back to basics and fundamentals, tackling,gap assignments,etc. a dt, mlb,moving #52 to the outside,keeping #21 and cris johnson, maybe adding a fs would help too.of what i hear this marshall guy is a stubborn old man that is detail oriented
January 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Well, there won’t be anybody for Al Davis to blame if things don’t work out this year.
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STFU ass wipe. You are an ass wipe. STFU.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
you gotta point there KK
January 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Well at least Hackett isn’t the offensive coordinator….thankfully.
As I have said this whole time since his name has come up reagrding a coaching positon….he should be no more than a QB coach at this stage of his career.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
(the cable is connected)
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if you know what i mean….
January 28th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
s&b,
you are right about bush. he can run you over or run around you. the guy has great feet. using him as the primary ball carrier would be awesome. mcfadden should be lined up all over the field to create mismatches kinda like n.o. does with reggie bush. difference is, mcfadden can actually run between the tackles unlike reggie. bush 20-25 carries a game and mcfadden about 15 total touches a game and the offense is scary. the d would be so worried about those guys that miller would be one on one with a lb alot.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Paul Hackett is actually a very decent pro football guy. It just seems the more responsibility you put on him, the worse the results are. Having him as an advance scout for us, and then walking around the track while the Raiders are implementing the game plan, probably is a good thing. Having him be QB Coach, also probably is good. Having him be HC or even OC, no good.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
i agree darkknight, hackett should stay as qb coach, hopefully we land saunders as the oc. what do you think.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Off topic a little bit, but I just read on Yahoo that Billy Powell died today. He was the keyboard player for Skynyrd.
Funny, maybe this reveals a lot, but people always reference the fact that they can remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard that JFK was shot, or 9/11 or whatever. I do remember those, but I also recall exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard about that plane going down. Shock and disbelief, seriously. I was bummed for a long time.
Billy Powell, RIP.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Jeremy #59
Agreed, but will Al let a guy (Fargas) who he pays more than the other guy (Bush) sit on the bench?
January 28th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
CABLE IS IN OAKLAND READY IN HDTV RRRRRRAIDERS 2009
January 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
i dont want trestman 4 o.c. for the sole reason that he sucked without jon gruden’s plays. fired in oak and miami the years following
January 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
What happened to him Edward?? Do you know? He was still pretty young. The original skynyrd band opened for the who on part of that 75 tour.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
# Brien(Still Wasted?) Says:
November 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Brien<—–General of Army and loyal subject to King of the blog Oakglenn………….MR learn a thing or two and bow down!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
kk,
if al really wants to just win baby he will. if not, we will be having the same discussions about fargas this time next year.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
trestman sucks as oc. runs dink and dunk. couldn’t even hack it as oc at nc state.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Oak… I’ll try to find out and get back to you. The blurb I read said that he was only 56. Sad, indeed.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Raiders.com posted hackett as qb coach
January 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Well, it will take probably 48-72 hrs. For the presser.
Friday is my bet.
Just let the “Fat Man” coach, Al.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
THANK’S EDWARD TEACH 4 POST-62. HAD NOT HEARD “GIVE ME BACK MY BULLIT’S”
January 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Trestman was also reviled in SF by Debartolo.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
i’m waiting for the draft…
while i am for cable being the HC…
the draft will tell us a lot about him…
the day after the draft i will go on record to say clearly, unambiguously whether Cable will be a success or not…
right now i’m thinking he’ll be here for 7 years…
why seven ? you ask… cause after winning his 3rd super bowl in a row… he decides to bet Russell (who just earned his 2nd MVP) that he can eat 50 eggs…
the cholesterol kills him…
January 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
L.A.RAIDER Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
i agree darkknight, hackett should stay as qb coach, hopefully we land saunders as the oc. what do you think.
^^I would rather have Trestman be the OC ahead of Saunders.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
#75, wow
January 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Pete #32
Meant CA, not FLA. Sorry trying to type quick before leaving the office.
And Oil demand went down last year and so down the price (what about 40+%). So why aren’t those states going to send out IOU’s like CA?
January 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
LA Times obituaries says that cause of death wasn’t official, but that he had some serious heart issues and had called paramedics to his home in Florida complaining of heart attack-type symptoms…
January 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
4eva…..
Bummer about Billy Powell. I saw Skynerd in 76 with Ronnie. Still have “ALIVE FROM THE ROAD” on Vinyl.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
sorry darkknight, trestman’s offense is better suited for tui,…. yikes!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
saunders is a proven guy who likes the power run and vertical game, if he’s interested i say hire him pronto.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
alright i’m done
January 28th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Trestman was also reviled in SF by Debartolo.
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Not only is this a stupid statement but it is completely untrue. His first year in SF Trestman’s offense led the NFL in points scored. The 2nd season resulted in a 12-4 record. After the 2nd straight playoff loss to the Green Bay Packers, the SF press grilled an emotional DeBartolo as he was at the podium. He said Trestman was “outta here.” Hard to revile a guy who as QB coach and OC for you went 33-9 and set tons of offensive records.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Hey. My step dad is having a operation right now for a blood clot in his left lung.
He has always been good to me, we have become closer since my mother passed in 04.
He is a survivor of the Chosen Reservoir, in Korea 1950. (Google, 31st.RCT. Korea.)
He could use a prayer or two.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
gotcha covered man… good luck to old man…
January 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Boy the Oakland Raiders orginization is disfunctional. I remember when the were the golden team of the league, during the last several years they have become the laughing syock of the league. Maybe when Al Davis was 45 he could run the orginization by himself, but he’s too old to do it alone now. Someone needs to tell him face to face. Al you’re too dam old to run this team. Okay Jeff, why don’t you tell him? I’m not telling him Brian. YOU TELL HIM!!! NO JEFF YOU TELL HIM!!!! I got it we’ll make Mikey do it. Mikey’s not afraid of him! HE SHANNY TELL AL HE’S TO OLD TO RUN THIS TEAM! Sure thing….just as soon as the old geezer pays me what he owes me.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
My prayers go out to your step dad and you and your family.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
MY MOCK DRAFT (Scouting reports from profootballscout.com)
1) JEREMY MACLIN, WR, MISSOURI (6-1, 200)
Scouting Report: Maclin is a dynamic all-around performer who excels in multiple areas on the field. He possesses elite speed and quickness and poses a problem for the opposition when the ball is in his hands. He gets a quick release off the line, runs good routes and flashes reliable hands. He’s a playmaker in the open field after making a reception and can take it to the house on any play.
Strengths: Downfield threat; Elusiveness with catch; Hands & concentration
Areas for improvement: Route-running skills
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2) PHIL LOADHOLT, OT, OKLAHOMA (6-8, 350)
Scouting Report: Loadholt is a huge, monstrous tackle who can shed the opposition away with ease. He stays square to the opposition, has good technique and uses his brute strength to his advantage to knock defenders off their rush. He’s a strong run-blocker who drives the opposition off the line and finishes his blocks until the whistle blows.
Strengths: Power & Strength; Size; Toughness.
Areas for improvement: Body control and balance; Feet.
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3) DARY BECKWITH, MLB, LSU (6-1, 232)
Scouting Report: Beckwith is an instinctive linebacker who has great range. He’s disciplined, patient and attacks the line of scrimmage. He hits a gap hard and makes plays in the backfield. He drops well in coverage, flies around the ball and is always looking to create a turnover.
Strengths: Athleticism; Hitting Ability; Pass coverage skills
Areas for improvement: Shedding ability; Size
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4) BEAR PASCOE, TE, FRESNO STATE (6-6, 260)
Scouting Report: Good overall in-line blocker. Moves feet well, gets into position and plays with good leverage. Good build and frame for the position, but speed is below average. Displays soft hands. Uses big frame to shield defenders from the ball. Displays a strong grasp of where to sit working against zone coverage. Also does a nice job of running through tackles and fighting for yards after the catch.
Strengths: Blocking, hands.
Areas for improvement: Speed, route running.
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6&7) Go go for best center, guard, DT or QB available.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
909raiderlifer man I know.The opening notes on Tuesday’s Gone are recognisable instantly
January 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Heard some talk about Brinkley and that he dominated the Senior Bowl practices, and had like 10 tackles in the game.
So why is he supposed to go in 3rd or 4th round?
January 28th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
909… you got it, man. God be with you and your family.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Is that rumor from the same ESPN source that said Martindale would be the new HC a couple of weeks ago? We know how accurate that was. Would make a lot of sense if it was floated by Cable’s agent- just to see what Al’s response would be.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
3) DARY BECKWITH, MLB, LSU (6-1, 232)
Scouting Report: Beckwith is an instinctive linebacker who has great range. He’s disciplined, patient and attacks the line of scrimmage. He hits a gap hard and makes plays in the backfield. He drops well in coverage, flies around the ball and is always looking to create a turnover.
Strengths: Athleticism; Hitting Ability; Pass coverage skills
Areas for improvement: Shedding ability; Size
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we already have one of these…
his name is Kirk Morrison…
January 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
and prayers 2 you and your’s 909
January 28th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Paul Hackett as OC for Kansas City 93′-97′
Offense Rank:
93′ 16th
94′ 5th
95′ 14th
96′ 22nd
97′ 14th
January 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Heard some talk about Brinkley and that he dominated the Senior Bowl practices, and had like 10 tackles in the game.
So why is he supposed to go in 3rd or 4th round?
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don’t know about the practices…
but he did not play in the Senior Bowl…
you must be thinking of someone else…
Brinkley tore up his knee in his junior year…
but he’s all better now, baby !!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Paul Hackett as OC for Kansas City 93′-97′
Offense Rank:
93′ 16th
94′ 5th
95′ 14th
96′ 22nd
97′ 14th
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This was TEN TO FIFTEEN YEARS AGO!! You probably don’t remember 10-15 years ago, but I’ll bet you were a moron back then too.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
McKenzie not Brinkley, jeez
Sorry baked and dreaming
January 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
nite all
January 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Thanks, everyone.
Should know something in two hrs. =or-.
Sudden deal. He called me last night, said he was feeling “puny”.
I guess he made the right call, by going in to the ER.
He is a stubborn ufck. (See, Walt in Gran Torino)
January 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
McKenzie not Brinkley, jeez
Sorry baked and dreaming
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i don’t know, man…
on the small side for me…
i like my middle guys big…
if we needed an outside guy i’d take him…
“J”"B” is the man in the middle for me…
can you say monster ???
January 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
** +or- ** errrrrrrr….
January 28th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Paul Hackett as OC for Kansas City 93′-97′
Offense Rank:
93′ 16th
94′ 5th
95′ 14th
96′ 22nd
97′ 14th
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which year did they have Montana? My money is on ‘94
January 28th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Al Saunders OC Kansas City 2001′-05′
Offense Rank:
01′ 5th
02′ 4th
03′ 2nd
04′ 1st
05′ 1st
January 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
point…
KoolKell…
NEXT!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Post 108 looks very nice. I would like to see that in Oakland, yes I would.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Montana was there in 93′-94′
Marcus Allen was there 93′ – 97′
January 28th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
All our offense has to do is come reasonably close to the Saunders years in KC, and our defense will have the luxury of playing just a little bit looser. Looser players make more big plays on defense. They don’t overreact, they play more instinctively, and they fly around trying to make things happen. Plug a couple of holes there, get some reliable and productive offense going, and these guys might start having a little fun on defense.
I can dream, right?
January 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Saunders would then join the St. Louis Rams coaching staff. From 1999-2000 he served as the wide receivers Coach under Dick Vermeil and later as assistant head coach under Mike Martz. During this period, the Rams won Super Bowl XXXIV in 2000.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
i think the fun has already started…
January 28th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
On January 19, 2006, he joined the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins as the Associate Head Coach – Offense, reuniting him with fellow Don “Air” Coryell alumnus, Joe Gibbs. At the time, his 3-year, $6 million contract made him the second highest paid assistant coach in the NFL behind Gregg Williams. Players such as recent additions Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd have claimed that the signing of Saunders to the Washington coaching staff was a major pull factor in their decision to sign with the Redskins. In this role, he served the team like he did in Kansas City, as the primary play caller and offensive coordinator.
Saunders offensive playbook reportedly has approximately 700 pages of various plays. When the Redskins struggled offensively in the 2006 pre-season and during the first two regular season games, the lengthy playbook became the subject of criticism -both humorous and serious- by Washington sports media. However, desiring not to provide scouting information to opponents, the Redskins only used a small number of plays (estimated by Saunders at around 2% of his playbook) during the pre-season. Beginning with the third game of the regular season, Washington’s offensive production increased but later fell.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell…
a lot of people have been saying that no good OC would want to come here…
and a lot of other people have been saying that no good coach would want to work for Cable…
do you have an explantion for Saunders wanting to come here ???
or is Al Davis holding Saunders’ first born for ransom ???
“sign zee papers…”
January 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Many believe that the pairing of Al Saunders offense and the veteran quarterback Mark Brunell was a bad fit. The Al Saunders offense, an Air Coryell offense, requires a quarterback with a very accurate sense of timing and trust with the receiver which could not be replicated in Washington during Brunell’s 2006 season.
In 2007, Jason Campbell dislocated his left knee in a week 14 game versus the Chicago Bears. Veteran back-up Todd Collins, who took over the reigns and was very effective as he led the Redskins to four straight victories and into the playoffs. Collins’ success can be attributed to the fact that he had been studying under Saunders’ offensive scheme since 2001.
After Joe Gibbs retired as head coach of the Redskins on January 8, 2008 and Jim Zorn was hired as the new offensive coordinator by Redskins’ owner Dan Snyder on January 25, Saunders was fired by Snyder on January 26.
On January 30, 2008, Saunders was hired as offensive coordinator for the St. Louis Rams. After Steve Spagnuolo was hired as head coach in January of 2009, Saunders was informed he would not be retained for the upcoming season.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
KURTIS THE STOCK BOY AND BRENDA THE CHECKOUT GIRL
In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy, was busily working when a new voice
came over the loud speaker asking for a carry out at register 4. Kurtis was
almost finished, and wanted to get some fresh air, and decided to answer the
call. As he approached the check-out stand a distant smile caught his eye, the
new check-out girl was beautiful. She was an olde r woman (maybe 26, and he
was only 22) and he fell in love.
Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find
out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card
and punched out, then left. He looked at her card, BRENDA. He walked out only to
see her start walking up the road. Next day, he waited outside as she left the supermarket,
and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she accepted. When he
dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again, outside of work. She simply
said it wasn’t possible.
He pressed and she explained she had two children and she couldn’t afford a
baby-sitter, so he offered to pay for the baby-sitter Reluctantly she accepted
hi s offer for a date for the following Saturday. That Saturday night he arrived
at her door only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The
baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, “Well,
let’s take the kids with us.”
She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option, but again not
taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally Brenda, brought him inside to meet
her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis
thought, then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a
paraplegic with Down Syndrome.
Kurtis asked Brenda, “I still don’t understand why the kids can’t
come with us?” Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman
with two kids, especially if one had disabilities – just like her first husband
and father of her children had done. Kurtis was not ordinary – - – he had a
different mindset.
That evening Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the kids, went to dinner and the
movies. When her son needed anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he
needed to use the restroom, he picked him up out of his wheelchair, took him and
brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda
knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life
with.
A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her childr en.
Since then they have added two more kids.
So what happened to Kurtis the stock boy and Brenda the check-out girl? Well,
Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner now live in Arizona , where he is currently employed
as the quarterback of the National Football League Arizona Cardinals and has his
Cardinals in the hunt for a possible appearance in the Super Bowl. Is this a
surprise ending or could you have guessed that he was not an ordinary person.
It should be noted that he also quarterbacked the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI.
He has also been the NLF’s Most Valuable Player twice and the Super Bowl’s Most Valuable Player.
AND THE REST OF THE STORY:
Today at church our minister mentioned that when Kurt, his wife and 7 children go out to eat he
has one of his children pick out a family eating at the restaurant. Kurt then tells the wait staff he is
picking up the tab for that family’s dinner annonimously. He remembers the days he was working nights
in the grocery store and feeding his family on food stamps.
Makes it hard not to root for the Cardinals IN THE SUPER
…doesn’t it?
January 28th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Pete
We don’t know anything until papers are signed, but I think I would be happy with Saunders as OC.
But I haven’t heard what you refer to in post 116. The main problem would be finding a quality Head Coach with his staff already filled out. But if it’s Cable, it makes sense.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
One Mushy Dude Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
KURTIS THE STOCK BOY AND BRENDA THE CHECKOUT GIRL
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you’re breaking my heart…
January 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
please raiders hire Marshall..
I hear voice’s in my head they talk to me. They counsel me. they confort me.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
January 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Pete
We don’t know anything until papers are signed, but I think I would be happy with Saunders as OC.
But I haven’t heard what you refer to in post 116. The main problem would be finding a quality Head Coach with his staff already filled out. But if it’s Cable, it makes sense.
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refering to a lot of the negative naysayers who populate this blog…
but like i said yesterday…
if i’m staffing for a new project… i never say i already have a project manager… even if i do…
because i get a lot more applications from ambitious people that i can offer lesser positions to…
January 28th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I think a little too much is being made of Al Saunders’ playbook and its 700 or so pages.
All it means is that the guy’s been around forever and has seen and tinkered with just about everything relevant at one time or another. There is probably no scenario where he would use the entire playbook, as it most likely would contain approaches involving various personnel-type groupings that may or may not be in line with the group he is presently working with.
In short (and this is just my pea-brained no football knowledge best guess here), I think it just means he would just have a lot of options, but not all of them would work with everyone and we shouldn’t expect that JR or anyone else would have to execute the whole book.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Florida Pete…
Who do you see as “potential” for split end. From the scouting combine, at the Australian Open?.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
bedtime for me…
but i’ll check in later most likely…
take care everyone…
January 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
909raiderlifer Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Florida Pete…
Who do you see as “potential” for split end. From the scouting combine, at the Australian Open?.
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Maria Sharapova is still the best looking wide receiver i have ever seen…
yeeeeeeoooooooowwww….
January 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Saunders had Priest Holmes and Tony Gonzales. I think he could put McFadden to good use.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Serena?
January 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Yeah, Kell. McFadden as Priest Holmes, only faster.
That could be fun to watch.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
“a noted control freak who wanted things done a certain way.”
uhh, how the hell do you see things working out with Al if this guy gets hired??
January 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
that is one thing i really like about al saunders’ offenses is that they utilize the tight end. gonzalez in kc and cooley in washington. i really think he would find a ton of ways to use zach miller.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RAJ… I think the “control freak” you’re referring to was George Siefert. Marshall worked for him in Carolina.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
With Saunders as OC in KC
The Leading Receivers
01′ Tony Gonzales
02′ Priest Holmes
03′ Priest Holmes
04′ Tony Gonzales
05′ Tony Gonzales
No Wide Receivers.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
that is one thing i really like about al saunders’ offenses is that they utilize the tight end. gonzalez in kc and cooley in washington. i really think he would find a ton of ways to use zach miller.
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the “Air Coryell” offense Saunders employs was a Tight End down the seem based offense, so yes, Zach should be the beneficiary of that. Think Kellen Winslow Sr. You remember us this year, Zack had a couple of big plays down the seems. We should have gone back to it more. The Air Coryell Offense also relies on it’s wide outs down the field, so that will be interesting to see what Saunders will do in that respect.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
With Saunders as OC in KC
The Leading Receivers
01′ Tony Gonzales
02′ Priest Holmes
03′ Priest Holmes
04′ Tony Gonzales
05′ Tony Gonzales
No Wide Receivers.
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You can’t really blame Saunders. He had Eddie Kennsion and Johnnnie Morton as his wide outs. I’d be looking for Tony Gonzales too.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
it wouldn’t be a bad thing to see the raiders leading receivers as miller and mcfadden if the results are similar.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Again, in 2003 Kansas City under Al Saunders led the NFL in points scored if I remember correctly
January 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
No, with Tony Gonzales on the team, he’s a
Big Wide Out.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Trying to look on the bright side with what appears to be a move to veteran NFL coaches for the staff; if we’re fortunate that approach could bring some old-school back to Oakland, and we could use some old-school here. In that light maybe it is better for Al to have a heavier hand when hiring the assistants. Hell, he knows everbody and probably still has the respect of the older guard. There’s a real chance that he could get people to come to Oakland that Cable couldn’t; who knows?
January 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Edward that is probably right. I think he asked Cable who he wanted Cable told him, maybe some guys weren’t quite right and Davis started making suggestions like Marshall and Saunders. Kiffin wanted Charlie Coe to coach the Wide Recievers and Randy Moss. Just imagine Charlie Coe coaching Moss. Davis brought in Lofton, unfortunately after Moss had left.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Oak… Lofton’s a great example, and one I hadn’t thought of. Sums it up, though, doesn’t it?
January 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
speaking of lofton, any word on what the raiders are going to do with him now. he is still under contract. maybe he takes over a spot as advanced scout now that hackett is qb coach.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
So, I guess Saunders has been on a ZBS team before, but not in KC
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One of the simplest reasons many teams have incorporated zone blocking in their offenses, is that zone blocking rules do not change based on the defensive front. In a “man block” system, blockers are paired with defenders according to certain rules to create a running lane. If the defensive front changes, or if the defense stunts or blitzes, the blocking rules may change. This requires learning multiple rules for the same play. Zone blocking uses very consistent rules that do not change according to the defensive front.
Some teams base their entire offense on it, including the NFL’s Denver Broncos,Washington Redskins,Oakland Raiders, Houston Texans, and Green Bay Packers. Adopting a more complex version of many of this scheme’s core principles (as used by the Denver Broncos), the West Virginia University Mountaineers rely on it in their run-based “spread offense” (devised by former head coach Rich Rodriguez and their former offensive line coach Rick Trickett). The University of Michigan also started using zone blocking under head coach Lloyd Carr in the 2006 season using more of a balanced offense.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Jeremy… The word on Lofton is that he doesn’t have an official “job” yet, but he’s still on the payroll. Most people think he’s going to do the scouting thing, in one form or another.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Edward Teach…
Just talked to the old man, he’s doing ok. Local anesthetic. No problem.
Said it hurts like ” Turpentine on a cat’s ass”.
Google: 31st. RCT. Korea.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
909. Very nice. Glad to hear it.
“Turpentine on a cat’s ass.” That’s classic.
I did a little Army (infantry) time in Korea myself. It gets really cold there.
Very happy for you and your family.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
edward, you served in korea? thanks for your service to our country.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I still would like to know the reason for waiting to name Cable…It doesn’t make Cable look very good….
January 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Lofton could do a lot of things. I think Chaz Sheilins was his special project. I really thought Lofton was a bust of a receivers coach until the last couple weeks of the year, when Sheilins actually started to look good.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
That’s a nice thing to say, Jeremy, thank you.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
no problem edward. i haven’t served but father has served in both usmc and army national guard. i live around camp lejeune nc so i have a great appreciation for all of the armed forces.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Met a lot of guys from Carolina when I was in. Good solid people, every single one of them.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
i live near ft myers…
but i never see any military people…
must be those new cammies they wear…
January 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
haha pete. those digital cammies must be a bitch for the enemy.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Yeah, Pete, I hear the new ones are pretty state of the art…
January 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
# Joey Deertay Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I still would like to know the reason for waiting to name Cable…It doesn’t make Cable look very good….
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I’m sure there are a lot of details to work out, and in lieu of what happened with Lame Kiffin, now even more lawyers are probably looking at the contracts on both sides.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
cable wants to make sure that he can’t be fired for “cause” which will forfeit his remaining contract.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
# Joey Deertay Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I still would like to know the reason for waiting to name Cable…It doesn’t make Cable look very good….
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if i’m staffing for a new project… i never say i already have a project manager… even if i do…
because i get a lot more applications from ambitious people that i can offer lesser positions to…
January 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I wouldn’t doubt there will be a new clause in the Head Coach contract that states,
“If said coach attempts or causes to be attempted any field goal in excess of 73.5 yards, said coach hereby has given up any and all claims to any cash payment for any coaching services rendered.”
January 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Pete, I hear what you’re saying about the “project manager” idea, but I think Al’s approaching this from a different direction than that.
I think he percieved Gruden as too ambitious, and I think he felt that way about Kiffin. In my view, part of the reason he’s looking at some of these older guys is because they DON’T have ambitions beyond being coordinators, and will be here (in theory) for THIS job and NOT the next one. I think we can be pretty sure that Cable doesn’t want to be anywhere else, or he would be right now.
That’s what Al is looking for, in my opinion.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Oakglenn Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I wouldn’t doubt there will be a new clause in the Head Coach contract that states,
“If said coach attempts or causes to be attempted any field goal in excess of 73.5 yards, said coach hereby has given up any and all claims to any cash payment for any coaching services rendered.”
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he should also include a clause stating that “if said coach does not give my 2008 top draft choice darren mcfadden more carries than justin fargas, barring injury to the aforementioned runningback, said coach forfeits the remaining years and compensation of this contract”.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
95.5klos.com streamlink RIP Billy!!!!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
909… nice. I just finished listening to “One More from the Road”.
“Turn it up”, as the man said.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Edward Teach….
Thanks. bro…
January 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Watch….now Al is gonna get mad that ESPN has been telling lies….and he is going to hire Lofton as Head Coach just to spite a couple of reporters.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
edward…
clearly you are listening too much to guys who don’t know Al Davis… and spend their time getting all their information from each other…
use some logic… do some research… and you will see that Al Davis only cares about fielding a winning team…
he does not call the defense…
he does not micromanage…
he is the general manager…
and he does happen to be the owner…
he manages his business like i do mine…
the more attention something needs…
the more attention it gets…
January 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
# Joey Deertay Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I still would like to know the reason for waiting to name Cable…It doesn’t make Cable look very good….
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if i’m staffing for a new project… i never say i already have a project manager… even if i do…
because i get a lot more applications from ambitious people that i can offer lesser positions to…
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Don’t you think though…. a coaching vacancy in the NFL is slightly different than that? I mean….serious Head Coaching candidates aren’t going to accept lesser roles….and I’m sure Al is not interviewing less than capable coaches for “Quality Control positions”…
He would leave that to someone else….Cable maybe?
January 28th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Pete,
Clearly you can’t be serious with the following quote:
“use some logic… do some research… and you will see that Al Davis only cares about fielding a winning team…”
If that is truly the case, then he should fire himself because we have been horrible for the past 6 years.
He cares about winning, if it is AL DAVIS’ way! Which is his prerogative….he owns the team….but come on….REALLY….all he cares about is fielding a winning team?!?!
Then why not fire Kiffin in the offseason…..instead of give him enough rope to hang himself….he obviously cared more about that than winning this last season.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
it is getting pretty late here on the east so i bid you all farewell. we should get a follow up on the marshall interview. he went to oakland today.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Edward Teach….
Good times. 1975 or 76 (I forget) Was at the big “A” in SO-CAL. Skynyrd live was the shiznet.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Back to RAIDERS football:
Let the FAT MAN coach.
Don’t sweat the small s#it.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
The Demon is back….
January 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Pete, I agree with some of the things you’re saying, but one thing is irrefutable: Al Davis wants loyalty. He feels as if he hasn’t been shown that by some of the younger guys, and maybe his health plays into this a little bit, but I think he’s done f***cking around and if this is going to be his last go-round, well, he’s going to do it his way, and with people he’s known a long time and trusts.
Not saying I’m 100% right, just that I’ve been following this guy and his team for a long time and his personality is, and always has been, an agressive one. I don’t imagine he’s ready for the last six years to be his legacy and he’s going to do everything he can to make sure that it’s not.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I think I am getting people to jump on the Bear Pascoe bandwagon…. nice….
January 28th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
909… Still to this day the loudest band I’ve ever seen in concert. Strange, but true.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Now I want everyone to jump on the Louis Rankin Bandwagon and trade fargas for a 4th or 5th
January 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Yalls trippin…
you are a moron.
January 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
955klos.com
January 28th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I see the Big Lebowski
January 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Or: 955klos.com
steam link
January 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
Now that’s how you draft, suckas.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Is there anyone here?
January 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Edward Teach….
Loudest band?
Sammy Hager at the “Swing” in Berdoo 1981. The roof came off that dump.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Louis Rankin is a great 3rd RB to have if we trade Fargas for a pick…..
January 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
yes
January 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I didn’t know I was a site for 70’s and 80’s rock…..
January 28th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Yes what? I’m confused…..
January 28th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Now that’s how you draft, suckas.
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Gotta level with ya Demon, that is a sweet draft!
January 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Demon Raider….
The way I see it. We are stuck with it. The Fat Man is the COACH. We shall see how all the asst. coaches play out.
I think they will kick ass
January 28th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
I agree 100% Oak… If we trade Fargas for a 4th or 5th rounder…. That pick can be for the OL or DL… But if Somehow WR Ramses Barden is there with that extra 4th rounder…. We gotta get him… I think J-Russ would love to have a really good 6-6 WR to throw to…
January 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Stuck with what, 909?
January 28th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Barden didn’t look good in the Senior Bowl game, but I am with you, he could be a real interesting guy, especially in the red zone. He played kind of tentatively, which I guess you can expect. I’d love to see his forty times, he didn’t seem that fast, but guys that size most times are faster than they look.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Honestly, i am fine with Cable as HC cuz look at the improvement of the line since he took over… I think that he’ll do a great job with Mario and turn him into a very good LT… I can see him getting Al to pick up a solid OT in FA, either Max Starks for Pit or Mark Tauscher from GB…
January 28th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Just for the kids:
Check out: ” In My Of Dying” Led Zeppelin.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
I know what you mean about Barden’s Senior Bowl performance. I think he’ll run in the 4.40-4.45 range
January 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“In my time of dying” Errrrrrrrrrr….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Gotta better our defense…. That only will make our offense better….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Demon Raider…..
I’ve been boozing since noon-ish.
As long as we get that swagger backk it’s all good.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Dammit…. Where is everyone?
January 28th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
So Tenn Vols realized that Lil Kitten is a spoiled bratt!!! Tell me something new Jerry. What a punk! Go Ole Miss.
BTW, I am 100% certain Cable will lobby Davis for an Olineman. Pretty sure it is going to be Oher.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
It is all but official… Cable is the HC… I don’t know if Cable will lobby for a OL with that first pick….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I think that Cable will see the need to improve the defense cuz that’ll improve the offense….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Ahhhhhh.. “New Riders Of The Purple Sage.”
Good times.
+ Stevie Ray.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Louis Rankin is a great 3rd RB to have if we trade Fargas for a pick…..
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Tore off some big gainers against pre season scrubs. Can’t catch or block.
Didn’t even finish his runs.
More quick than fast. Kind of like a poor, poor mans Napoleon Kauffman, but not AS quick.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
206. Couldn’t stand the weather
January 28th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Hard to think an ex-Oline coach not wanting a lineman. We get a good line this year we will be competing for the playoffs.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
And I say that cuz the defense will give the offense more opportunities to move the ball and score… The more time the offense spends together the more plays they will make….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Obviously I have been the one person on the blog crying for a Left Tackle in the lst round. Oher, I don’t know about. I don’t know if there is another guy physically like him. He is a classic “freak of Nature.” A guy his size is just not supposed to be that fast on his feet. But, I don’t know if he has the attitude it is going to take to be a very good Left tackle. Right now, I have Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, and Jason Smith all ahead of him.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I think that Cable will see the need to improve the defense cuz that’ll improve the offense….
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To Davis’s thinking, improve the offense to improve the D.
If the D is fresh later in the game because of sustained drives w/ points to defend…
Thats Oaklands built backward Secondary first defensive scheme.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I think Rankin has some solid hands…. Not the greatest, but not the worst. Mediocre blocker. I thought he runs pretty hard. He is very fast and I think he is pretty agile….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Here in SEC country, Oher is the man for me. He had a very good Senior Bowl game as well. He was one of the main reason Ole Miss was competitive this year. I thought I saw that OT from Oklahoma got beat at the Senior Bowl.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
I say build up the run defense first and foremost cuz that is what killed our defense…. The inability to kill drives ad keep the runs short and force 3 and outs…
January 28th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Ali, you’re thinking of Loadholt….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
211. Oakglenn Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Obviously I have been the one person on the blog crying for a Left Tackle in the lst round. Oher, I don’t know about. I don’t know if there is another guy physically like him. He is a classic “freak of Nature.” A guy his size is just not supposed to be that fast on his feet. But, I don’t know if he has the attitude it is going to take to be a very good Left tackle. Right now, I have Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, and Jason Smith all ahead of him.
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Eugene Monroe looks good in pass protect, but so did Chicagos Chris Williams…
Odds are if Cable stays, so does the ZBS. In theory, Tackles are the least important to the scheme.
So is power and straight line blocking which has meant smaller, “less desirable” players in a power blocking scheme, can be utilized and at far less exhorbitant prices.
Check out Tulanes KROPOG!!!
I was wrong last year about McFadden though…
Hard tellin’ with Alphonse. I thought for sure he might look at Dorsey when he was still there.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Namdi 21…..
SRV at the Hollywood Pallidum. 1983 Hella show….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
218. No frikkin’ WAAAAY!
Oh man, thats sooo cool!
January 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I like Kropog…. Good OT that play in a ZBS at Tulane… But I don’t think we need to get a OL til the 3rd… Use the first 2 picks on D… Besides, I think Kropog could fall to the 3rd….
January 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Ali, you’re thinking of Loadholt….
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Load didn’t fare too well in one on one protection drills. Constantly beaten out of his stance, mental errors and technique.
A project that could take years.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Going old school here:
Look up, Flying Burrito Bros.
Or:
Dan Hicks and his hot licks.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Fla Pete, the more attention something needs, the more attention it gets from Al Davis? Nonsense. 6 years of losing by default requires an overhaul of upper management. What moves have been made? Zero. Your fascination with Al’s style of management is delusional. If you ran your company the same way, you’d be out of business. In fact, I doubt you run a company. You’re out of touch with the modern day business world. Your explanation of Al’s style of management reads like some old how-to business book from the 1950s that you’d see at a garage sale.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
220 KROPOG!!!
Supposed to be one of the best linemen drafts in decades,maybe EVER.
Have to see 3-5 yrs down the road who sticks, but lotta potential and talent apparently.
I HOPE Kropog’s around 2nd day, not sure…
Henderson makes things a little better when it comes to taking a pick. We still NEED a RT too, but Mario gives a us a few options. maybe later rounds…
January 28th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Everyone was just dissing Kropog because of the Senior Bowl practices but I thought he looked REAL GOOD in the actual game, and I mean REAL GOOD. He was one of the guys I really wanted to see and he did not disappoint.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Nambdi 21…..
Get back to the old school. Good stuff there.
955klos.com
streamlink
January 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Those of you self proclaimed small business owners who keep saying that you run your businesses just like Al does…cut the b.s. I’m now convinced most of you have never run a business in your lives. Anybody who runs a business in the year 2009 by ignoring all modern day business trends and sticking to a 1950s model gets their lunch eaten. Please stop insulting our intelligence. If you support Al, just say so. But don’t start lying about your lives to justify Al’s ineffective and downright insane model of running the Raiders.
January 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Fla Pete, the more attention something needs, the more attention it gets from Al Davis? Nonsense. 6 years of losing by default requires an overhaul of upper management. What moves have been made? Zero. Your fascination with Al’s style of management is delusional. If you ran your company the same way, you’d be out of business. In fact, I doubt you run a company. You’re out of touch with the modern day business world. Your explanation of Al’s style of management reads like some old how-to business book from the 1950s that you’d see at a garage sale.
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“The problem with genius is people who aren’t may not understand it.”
MVH
Davis lost site of his vision. Admitted it. Made some bad hires thats for sure, but mark my words “Oakland will be back in the hunt by 2010.”
January 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
226. Sweeeeet…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
KROPOG!!!
Konnichiwa bishes!~
January 28th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
If Al wasn’t bound to a profit sharing league of franchises, he wouldn’t last 1 f’n year. The Raiders would be in the hands of smarter and more modern owners by next year’s Super Bowl, or they’d be extinct, along with Al himself, if he chose not to sell. Al is no business man. He’s a fraud who weaseled his way into control of an NFL franchise, and who today runs said franchise like a maniacal wannabe dictator. And don’t bring up Trask. The Raiders do not make money. That’s why a new partner wants out like every other year.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
This is my draft….
January 28th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
If Al wasn’t bound to a profit sharing league of franchises, he wouldn’t last 1 f’n year. The Raiders would be in the hands of smarter and more modern owners by next year’s Super Bowl, or they’d be extinct, along with Al himself, if he chose not to sell. Al is no business man. He’s a fraud who weaseled his way into control of an NFL franchise, and who today runs said franchise like a maniacal wannabe dictator. And don’t bring up Trask. The Raiders do not make money. That’s why a new partner wants out like every other year.
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uh huh…Al’s a fraud who weaseled.
Weasled his way into a 40 = yr career and 3 Lombardi’s.
Just cuz he’s sucked for the last 6 don’t mean he was NEVER capable.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
(Phony MR.)
What is your point????
January 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
You’re fired maddenraider. turn in your little cap.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Yeh, Nnamdi, everyone who’s misunderstood is a genius. Any more fairy tales?
January 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
234. Demon:
Somethings up with Orakpo…some kind of vibe that has him slipping a little.
A small part of it could be Vernon Ghoulston’s completely busty rookie yr.
He could be good like a Mario Williams 2nd yr, but who knows…
Could also be Chris Long’s lack of production, but I feel like theres a negative buzz goin’ round the powers that be.
Not so sure about him….
January 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
MaddenRaider was given the job of cleaning the deep fryer. He couldn’t do it.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Nnamdi, Al only won with Ron Wolf and Gruden. Without them, nada. He’s a fraud. You giving him credit for that success is not an accident. His intention was to trick naive believers like you into thinking he built the Raiders from the ground up. When it comes to x’s and o’s football, Al Davis has had very little to do with the Raiders’ success.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
this years draft is really funny in that there are sooooo many positions still up in the air. I would be shocked if Detroit does not take Georgia QB Matt Stafford #1 overall, but that may not happen.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Oakglenn, why Burger King? Is that where you worked? If you want to go there, I did work at Taco Bell in high school. 20 years ago. Hit away. A lot of people worked fast food when they were younger. But I do eat at Burger King almost every day. Their burgers are the best. The closest to real bbq, out of all the fast food joints.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Oh please, here comes MaddenRaider and his trolls again. and here comes maddenraider saying stupid stuff to bash davis and trolls follow posting garbage. Why does this happen every time he comes here??
January 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
237. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
January 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Oakglenn, what’s funny about this year’s draft is that Al Davis will be doing the Raiders drafting. Believe me, the league is in stitches.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
” Box Of Rain” —-Greatful Dead—- .
January 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
You’ve been out of high school 20 years???? And you eat fast food??? Well, that explains some of the things wrong with your brain. Not all tho.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Nnamdi, name one thing Al Davis has done recently to convince you that the Raiders can win a Super Bowl within a few years.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Nnamdi,
I still see reports that Orakpo could go as high as #3 to KC. But I am still very high on the kid. I still think that he has tremendous ability. I think that he will make it to where Oakland would have to re-sign Burgess after the 2009 year. But the the thing is that a lot of players perform their best when its a contract year.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Yes. I eat at BK almost everyday. What do you eat, soy beans and squeezed fruit juice? Those Swansons t.v. dinners your mom buys you Oakglenn are just as bad as fast food. I only eat at BK, anyway, because their burgers taste like real bbq. I don’t order the fries.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Oakglenn, what’s funny about this year’s draft is that Al Davis will be doing the Raiders drafting. Believe me, the league is in stitches.
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Yeah, I’ll bet they think Johhnie Lee, Chaz Schilens, Thomas Howard, Mario Henderson, Michael Bush, Jay Richardson, Trevor Scott, JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden and Tyvon Branch are all complete draft busts.
There are a few in there thats for sure, Like Huff and Bing, but who DOESN’T pick a few lemons?
http://raidernationstation.com/exclusives
January 28th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
You guys are right in the fact that it is taking time for some of these great pass rushing ends to develop. That’s why Trev Scott was a bit of a surprise. It’s kind of funny that sooooo many teams can go so many different ways. Detroit could go QB or LT, St.Louis is LT or WR, KC needs Defensive line help but might go QB, it’s kind of maddening really. There are no consensus one, two or three guys at the top.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Nnamdi,
I still see reports that Orakpo could go as high as #3 to KC. But I am still very high on the kid. I still think that he has tremendous ability. I think that he will make it to where Oakland would have to re-sign Burgess after the 2009 year. But the the thing is that a lot of players perform their best when its a contract year.
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No doubt DR. A high performing edge rusher is a must for us if we opt not to keep Burgess next year, even if, we’ll need a replacement soon enough or some one the other edge. (Trevor Scott’s 24 tackles, 5 sacks in limted action was a surprise) but just not sure if Davis’ will spend that kind of moolah on the kid.
Just a fellin’ I have about Orakpo is all…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Nnamdi, how many of those guys have ever made a pro bowl? Tie that in with the fact that they play for a losing team, and yes, they’re busts. All of them. Davis’s drafting is a running joke, outside of Nnamdi himself. But Al’s about to screw him up. Al could be trying to lose. Maybe that’s what he’s a genius at. Losing.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Nnamdi I think maddenraider is referring to how great our team was when Jon Gruden did all the drafting. I mean Jon Gruden drafted Tim Brown, Rich Gannon, Jerry Rice, Romo, rod Woodson, Charlie Garner. It’s a shame something happened to all those great draft choices.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
But there is a consensus that the Raiders will be on the bottom of the standings, Oakglenn.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Nnamdi, name one thing Al Davis has done recently to convince you that the Raiders can win a Super Bowl within a few years.
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I nver said SUPER BOWL. I said, “Back in the hunt”.
In 2010 the Raiders deal with the city of Oakland expires.
So does the players current contract with owners.
Remmebr last time this exact scenario happened?
The Raiders moved to LA and won a SB.
Davis is going to do everything he can to make the Raiders a winning and therefore appealing team to prospective cities interested in a pro franchise.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
That’s just it, Oakglenn. Since Al does our drafting, and can’t draft for crap, Gruden had to build with veterans. And, he didn’t do a bad job. Al gets credit for Tim Brown and that’s it. Oh yeh, Al wanted Timmy to return kicks. It was Hostettler who lobbied to make Timmy a number one WR. Al was going to let him go to Denver after the ‘93 season.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Lets own up.
The Fat Man, is our Coach…..yiikes……..
January 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
I’d be surprised if Orakpo was not a very good pro. Question is, is that our number one need, and is Orakpo the answer to that need??? I would say, no and no.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
261.
Some of you Davis haters bend reality a little to suit your mania.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
So you admit it then, Nnamdi, the Raiders have no chance of winning a Super Bowl within the next 3 years, outside of some freakish act of god, right? So, what does that say about Al Davis when I ask you what he’s done to convince you that he’ll have the Raiders in the dance in 3 years, and you’re only answer is: “I never said super Bowl”…???
January 28th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
263. Agreed…
tackles and if Nnamdi goes a DB I guess…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Oakglenn, our number one need is owner.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Nnamdi he is out of his mind. But the good thing is al Davis drafted so poorly in Tampon Bay, that Gruden had to fill that roster up with aged veterans as well.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
263. Agreed…
tackles and if Nnamdi goes a DB I guess…
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Exactly. Prepare for Nnamdi to get out of here. Hopefully that guy Bowie we got for Randy Moss can cover someone out there.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
LOL. A Davis worshiper saying someone else is out of their mind. how funny…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Oakglenn, ask Rich Gannon who’s more to credit for the ‘00-02 Raiders, Davis or Gruden.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
So you admit it then, Nnamdi, the Raiders have no chance of winning a Super Bowl within the next 3 years, outside of some freakish act of god, right? So, what does that say about Al Davis when I ask you what he’s done to convince you that he’ll have the Raiders in the dance in 3 years, and you’re only answer is: “I never said super Bowl”…???
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Nnamdi21 Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
261.
“Some of you Davis haters bend reality a little to suit your mania.”
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Omission is common in delusional people who discount or ignore information that clearly demonstrates they are wrong.
THE REST OF WHAT I SAID IN POST 260 (which you convieniently IGNORED.)
“In 2010 the Raiders deal with the city of Oakland expires.
So does the players current contract with owners.
Remmebr last time this exact scenario happened?
The Raiders moved to LA and won a SB.
Davis is going to do everything he can to make the Raiders a winning and therefore appealing team to prospective cities interested in a pro franchise.”
I’m not going to sit here and walk your stupid azz thru every move designed to get this team to compete, from the draft, thru the adoption of the ZBS ect ect.
Even if YOU can’t see it, other teams can.
Oakland has some gifted players and are a few key pieces away from becoming legit.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
268. Ha!
January 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
I still stand by my draft, dammit
January 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Nnamdi, I didn’t omit anything of value. I just ignored your drivel and responded directly to your moronic point.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
270. Assigning things to people.
You really do need serious medical treatment for your illness.
The fact everyone on here thinks your wrong and an illogical, confrontational person should sink in on you someday.
SEEK HELP.
If not for yourself, than the people forced to put up with you…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
The other teams can see it, Nnamdi? Now I know why I skipped over your nonsense. It’s too funny and I don’t want to hurt myself gut laughing. Name one player in this league who’s even remotely alluded to the Raiders being a SB contender within the next 3 years. Name one.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Nnamdi, I didn’t omit anything of value. I just ignored your drivel and responded directly to your moronic point.
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Exactly…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Or rather, that 3rd round pick should be for the best available OL with that pick. I hope that’s Kropog or G Herman Johnson….
January 28th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
we take cb in 1st from osu then ot in 2nd then wr from penn st in 3rd thats the facts remember this.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Nnamdi, a bunch of die hard Davis loyalists saying I’m wrong is actually evidence that I’m perfectly sane.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Never argue with an idiot. People may not be able to tell you apart.
Logic and reason eludes them…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
LOL. Talk about someone who needs help. You just admitted you’re a moron.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Nnamdi, a bunch of die hard Davis loyalists saying I’m wrong is actually evidence that I’m perfectly sane.
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If that helps you…
BTW, never said I was a “die hard Davis loyalist” you INFERED.
Sign of an ill mind…
Konnichiwa Bishes!~
January 28th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
That’s why people don’t argue with Al Davis, Nnamdi. Arguing with an idiot is a waste of time. Arguing with me, however, and you might just learn something about Al Davis. As it stands right now, you know noting other than the propaganda Al’s forced down your throat like baby food.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Oakglenn, if I were to ask Rich Gannon who deserves more credit for the Raiders’ success earlier this decade, Davis or Gruden, who would he say?
January 28th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
WV… Put the names with them positions and school…. Malcolm Jenkins CB OSU, The OT could by Try Kropog from Tulame and the WR from PSU is Derrick Williams…. Kropog is the only guy I really like of the 3… Williams had a very poor Senior Bowl, at least in practice he just could not hold onto the ball…
January 28th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Nnamdi, why do you and so many other Davis loyalists come with this armchair psycho babble? Is that what you guys do at Raiders’ headquarters these days, read old books on psychology? How about watching game film for a change? The team has sucked for 6 straight years, in case anyone there hasn’t noticed.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
What are some solid FA’s that Oakland can get?
January 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
With Oakland sign Board to be DL Coach, I can see DT Rocky Bernard coming over to Oakland. I like OT’s Max Starks and Mark Tauscher. I think just signing one of them would help out the line a lot. And if Mario struggles to play LT either of those OT’s can be a solid LT in place of Mario….
January 28th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
This is what Oakland is up against when signing FAs…
Cowboys | Colombo contract update
Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:26:42 -0800
Updating a previous item, The Associated Press reports Dallas Cowboys OT Marc Colombo signed a four-year contract extension worth $22.5 million with $11.5 million guaranteed.
January 28th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Damn, I liked Colombo. But, I still think that Starks from Pit and Tauscher from GB are very solid OT’s
January 28th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Oh, I forgot about Khalif Barnes the OT from JAX. He is a starting OT
January 28th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
OT Jon Stinchcomb could become an unrestricted free-agent this offeseason.
Eagles | T. Thomas scheduled to become a UFA
Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:08:41 -0800
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports Philadelphia Eagles OT Tra Thomas is scheduled to become an unrestricted free-agent this offseason.
C Chris L White, listed as 2nd on the Texans depth chart will be available. Texans run the ZBS.
WR Brandon Lloyd (Bears)
DT Jonathan Babineaux (Falcons)
DT Rocky Bernard
January 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I like Rocky Bernard, especially since we got his old DL coach… Tra thomas might be too expensive and he is getting up in years
January 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Last time Oakland was good, they were anchored by a solid veterans on the OL.
Drafting OL and sticking them in as starters is asking for trouble.
1 guy, ok, but not 2 or 3 rookies on the OL at one time.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Oakglenn, if I were to ask Rich Gannon who deserves more credit for the Raiders’ success earlier this decade, Davis or Gruden, who would he say?
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I can tell you exactly what he would say. He would say you should take Ambilify. It controls mood swings and other bi polar mental palpitations. Ambilify. Get a prescription.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
Deal wit it b1tches…
January 28th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
# S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Florida Pete,
Love the focus on the lines and getting tougher up the middle. The only changes I would make to your list is as follows:
1st Round: B.J Raji – Difference Maker
2nd Round: Tony Kropog – Good RT in ZBS (need to deal with right tackle as its a high priority
3rd Round: Jasper Brinkley – The secret will get out about this guy if he performs well at the combine…just get him
4th Round: A.Q Shipley – Fleet footed Center who won the award for the Rimington Trophy for top Center
5th through 7th: Draft prospects at RG, DE and Free Safety
^^Like the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders….I’m just not big on taking Raji at #7….now if the old man were to trade down 5 slots and still get Raji, then I’m all for it.
The secret will get about Brinkley, thats why the Raiders should snatch him round 3 instead of 4.
January 28th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
# Raiders75 (Dez Bryant for 2010) Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Last time Oakland was good, they were anchored by a solid veterans on the OL.
Drafting OL and sticking them in as starters is asking for trouble.
1 guy, ok, but not 2 or 3 rookies on the OL at one time.
^^Agreed!
January 28th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Oakglenn, are you ducking the question? We’ll keep trying. If someone were to ask Rich Gannon who deserves more credit for the Raiders’ success earlier this decade, Gruden or Davis, who would he say?
January 28th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 28th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I like Rocky Bernard, especially since we got his old DL coach… Tra thomas might be too expensive and he is getting up in years
^^Rocky Bernard would be a solid pickup…
January 28th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
If we got Bernard, should we still get DT Ziggy hood in the second? Or use that on OT Kropog? Assuming Al doesn’t sign a Vet OT in FA….
January 28th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
I like C’s Alex Mack and Max unger in the 2nd…. Same with G Duke Robinson if he falls…
January 28th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
WR Hakeem Nicks would be great in the 2nd… Heyward-Bey could fall into the 2nd as well…
January 29th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Here’s a dose of reality for all you dreamers. Bottom line, Cable isn’t anywhere near being a “head-coach” with the abilities to lead a group of players and coaches. He’s a nice guy, grabbing at the money while it’s there, but knowing in those deep crannies of his brain that he’s away over his head. He’s a line coach and that’s it…period.
Even Warren Sapp stated that Cable didn’t know some of the basis defensive sets and covers…basis stuff.
Listen, you dreamers, you Davis lovers. Cable will be the choice because any good coach with the ability to move a team upward is going to be coaching else where. You can’t be an owner in this league, who lives in the past, who is a control freak, who runs the team contrary to his coaches desires and plans, plus an owner who doesn’t pay off his coaches, without being sued first. No one of quality wants to coach for Davis…Cable is all that Davis can muster and that’s why we’ll go 4-12 or 5-11 if we’re lucky.
Stop dreaming about who we’re going to draft and what we need to do, as we have “no foundation” in regard to coaching staff, and especially in the ownership department and that spells “doom!”
January 29th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Al thinks he’s doing things on his own time and damn everyone else, but what has he really accomplished by keep Cable under wraps? All he is doing is confirming Cable as a lap dog, ready and willing to lick on command. Sheesh.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Hey Foreskin…
I hope you didn’t take too much time typing all that sh*t you are spewing.
Warren Sapp can suck these nuts baby!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Another one ready and willing to lick on Al. I think he needs his diaper changed too, why don’t you go and see.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 am
yoo hoo… MR ???
i can’t hear your dumbass drivel…
ya go over to Burger King to feast on some more of their fine cuisine ???
you’re pretty much a joke…
kinda manic… actually, ridiculously manic…
by the way…
did you ever finish that assignment i gave you ???
you know… prove that Al Davis said he didn’t care about B Robbins problems ???
January 29th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Jerry, how do you collect a paycheck? Maybe you should back up the Brinks truck to the BayArea News Group because all you do is take reports from other outlets and regurgitate them. Plum job if I ever saw one.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Personally, i think Jerry is doing a fine job…
we raider news junkies can’t get enough…
but, i believe we participants can hep Jerry by elevating the discourse on this blog…
the raiders front office perception of Jerry could go up…
interviews could be more easily granted…
just saying…
January 29th, 2009 at 4:30 am
post 115,ONE MUSHY DUDE; Thank you 4 that wonderfull story.A GREAT way 2 srart the day!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 4:31 am
OH and GOOD MORNING NATION!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Either big al is looking at one of the coordinators from one of the SB teams or cable truly is going to be the biggest puppet al has ever had. I can just see al wearing a headset in the owners booth or telling cable were bringing the 7 step deep pass back!
GO RAIDERS!!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 5:21 am
[...] McD: Cable is coach when under contract Cable is coach when under contract Cable is coach when under contract – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the hig… __________________ RaideroftheSith aka [...]
January 29th, 2009 at 6:02 am
ANY BODY HOME,U OUT THERE 4EV ?
January 29th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Oakglenn keeps talking about how big and fast Oher is, like yesterday when he said he was 6′7″ 340 pounds and ran a 4.8 second forty. He is only the 4th rated prospect according to the real NFL scouts and is nowhere near as big and fast as Oakglenn claims being 6′5″ 305 pounds and runs a 5.22 second forty. Please Oakglenn do some research before you spew lies to the rest of us. Monroe looks like the better player.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2009&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
January 29th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I’m here Dirt Lot sup???
January 29th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Sith,if Monroe’s da man,do you put him at RT or LT???
January 29th, 2009 at 6:16 am
They way Henderson played to end the season I would think you put whoever you draft at RT.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:17 am
YOUR WAIST’N YOUR TIME SITH, IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME AND EFFORT 2 DO SOME REASEARCH OR MAKE SURE WHAT U ARE SAYING IS CORRECT,SOME R 2 LAZY AND / OR JUST DO NOT CARE ….
January 29th, 2009 at 6:19 am
In fact Henderson and Oher are very similar.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=8280&draftyear=2007&genpos=OT
January 29th, 2009 at 6:19 am
GOOD MORNING BY THE WAY, SITH-4EVA
January 29th, 2009 at 6:19 am
I agrrrrreee Sith,I thought Mario was Super and I think he will B4 a long time =)
January 29th, 2009 at 6:20 am
WOW what a set of bookends!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 6:21 am
This is going to be a coaching staff of guys nobody else wants. And they’ll have no authority. Davis seems to be going out of his way to show the world that Tom Cable, his head coach, will have absolutely no authority.
With McDaniels in Denver and Pioli in KC, we’re falling farther and farther behind.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
not a bad write up from Cam Inman today regarding coach Cable … he’s usually a strawberry douche
January 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Just because Davis has not announced Cable as coach does not mean he has not been told he has the job with no contract in place yet. He has been involved in every interview involving the new staff and we all know how Davis loves to poke fun at the media. They should be happy he gives them all something to write about.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Exactly RaiderfanNY Big Al’s motto has always been;give me your cast-offs,your washed-ups,your disgruntled.Almost patriotic huh???
January 29th, 2009 at 6:29 am
If you want to call coaches with Superbowl rings a bunch of washed up retreads so be it. I think they are getting some very good people.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Paul Hackett, meet Jamarcus Russell. you two have a lot of work to do this offseason together.
John Marshall, welcome to Oakland! we need you. just sign the contract and tell Davis you’ll obey. Then in camp do whatever works. We don’t need another lapdog like Ryan or Martindale
January 29th, 2009 at 6:36 am
SEEM 2 ME ,UNTIL RECENTLY, COACHING STAFF ALWAY’S HAD A COUPLE OLD RAIDER’S, FREDDY B. WILLIE BROWN AMONG OTHER’S. TIME’S THEY ARE A CHANG’N…
January 29th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Russell impressed me last year being coached by Kiffin’s hand picked qb coach with 0 coaching experience at the position. Lets see what he can do with Hackett as his tutor who has 40 years experience, most coaching quarterbacks or as a coordinator.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:40 am
With McDaniels in Denver and Pioli in KC, we’re falling farther and farther behind
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Bill Belichek is responsible for the success in New England, not Pioli. McDaniels is an offensive guru and the donks already had a solid offense. Their defense will continue to be terrible. We control our own destiny. Don’t be scared of any team in this division. 8-8 got the Chargers into the playoffs, remember?
January 29th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Paul Hackett.
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?id=59962
January 29th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Post #193 909Raiderlifer,…Best wishes for your stepdad and family…
Re; Led Zeppelin’s “In my time of dying”
I can’t wait to see Cartoon Network’s Robot Chicken’s enactment of Al Davis,( portrayed as “Assisted -living-drooling-Dracula”), on his knees, singing “…Oh Saint Peter won’t you let me in ?….”)…
The lightning strike from above that follows ,speaks volumes…
January 29th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Hackett was a no brainer for QB Coach. dark knight and I have been calling for this move for a good month now
January 29th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Just because the Raiders informed Gilbride & Moss that they are no longer in the running for Head Coach of the Raiders doesn’t mean that Al Davis is 100 % sold on Tom Cable. Obviously he likes Cable to some degree, but if the Cardinals win the Super Bowl and Todd Haley comes in and blows Davis away in an interview I wouldn’t be surprised to see him offered the job. The chances that Haley even comes here to INTERVIEW would shock me though. He’s now on the hot list of potential HC candidates. He could join Pioli in KC or wait for a better job next offseason. However, if Kurt Warner doesn’t resign with AZ Haley might as well coach the Raiders because the Cards aren’t gonna win 5 games with Leinart as QB …
January 29th, 2009 at 6:48 am
I guess you guys are lucky that you live across the bay and are in the AFC West! What a bunch of losers.
January 29th, 2009 at 6:53 am
When it comes to good living, the Mile High City is tops in the land, according to a national survey released today.
Adults picked Denver as the country’s most desirable big city to call home, with San Diego second and Seattle third. At the bottom of the list: Detroit.
The Washington, D.C.-based Pew Research Center polled 2,260 adults in October about where they prefer to put down roots as part of a broader study of Americans’ mobility.
Thirty percent said they preferred small towns, 25 percent liked suburbs, 23 percent chose cities and 21 percent liked the country.
But asked to pick a few cities from a choice of the 30 largest, 43 percent said Denver, 40 percent liked San Diego and 38 percent gave Seattle a nod.
Orlando, Tampa and San Francisco tied for fourth at 34 percent.
Only 8 percent cared for Detroit, 10 percent chose Cleveland, 13 percent favored Cincinnati and 15 percent liked Kansas City, Mo.
Those polled were not asked to give reasons for the preferences.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:04 am
WHAT DID THE DENVER AIRPORT COST 2 RENOVATE ? 1 BILLION……MABEE U CAN LIVE THERE. LOL
January 29th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Wow… Kiffen getting bad press in the SEC already… Gruden being completely torched down in Florida…. and no one really wants to give Shannyrat a chance… three former raider coaches being exposed for the frauds they are…. seems like maybe old senile Al really did know what he was doing getting rid of these bums after all…
January 29th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Morning guys…
January 29th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Morning LMN =)
January 29th, 2009 at 7:32 am
4Eva! SLD! DirtLot!
January 29th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Thats how I feel LMN it’s wonderfull day!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Man I hope OO is fine,but if he needs another year,maybe we should look at FB in round 6 or 7 imo
January 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t see any of the SB coaches coming here to interview. They would have come in last week when they were on their “bye” week, right?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:37 am
or somebody moving Fargas 2 FB.I think he would make an exellent lead blocker and he could still get 1 or 2 yards when we need em.Then we could un-leash Cerebrus
January 29th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Is Cable still our HC?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wake me in 2010 when we have a new HC and a shot at the playoffs.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:38 am
DLF what does that have to do with anything? Denver, SF and SD were voted top cities to live in. What has slumtown ever been voted into the top 10 for? Best police department?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:38 am
said
January 29th, 2009 at 7:38 am
4eva: I have a feeling that Justin Griffith will return as the starter with Luke Lawton as his backup. Oren O’Neil will start the season on the PUP list
If Griffith or Lawton go down I fear Michael Bush will be forced into that role once again if Tom Cable returns as HC …
January 29th, 2009 at 7:39 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Man I hope OO is fine,but if he needs another year,maybe we should look at FB in round 6 or 7 imo
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It’s going to be intersting to see how the FB plays into our offense with a new playbook. Personally, I’d like to see more 2 TE sets with a singleback, so spend that 6th round pick on a reliable TE.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Best Purps!?!?!?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:41 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Best Purps!?!?!?
BINGO!
January 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Just thinking …
Why is Haley a “hot” candidate all of a sudden? The Cardinals were the joke team of the playoffs a few weeks back. If anything, the D coordinator should be the hot guy. I wouldn’t get too hyped over a guy that has the weapons he has, yet only managed .500 football, right?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I don’t think we should use lower draft picks on a FB or TE. Luke Lawton & Darrell Strong are good enough for depth. We should use those 6th & 7th round picks on OL who fit the zbs or maybe a punter if Shane doesn’t sign the deal Davis puts on the table.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I am okay with Cable as HC as long as the OC makes all of the decisions! Cable can be the rah rah guy in the locker room prior to the game and take the podium in the post game presser to spout his company line of BS, but let people with brains handle playing time decisions and play calling please.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:44 am
RockStar,maybe.Or maybe he will institute a new formation called the “crazy-cat” or something,with no clear defined role as FB-HB,like a right half-back and a left HB
January 29th, 2009 at 7:45 am
GREAT NEWS NO RAIDER LAY-OFFS… With Al Davis wearing doing everything from scouting to coaching the team will not have to lay-off any of Al’s lapdogs…
January 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Jhill: true enough. Haley might be a bum without Warner, Fitz, Boldin & Breaston. I guess we’ll know for sure if Kurt & Edge leave this offseason. If Leinart & Hightower produce the same results, you gotta think coaching has something to do with it.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Cable isn’t capeable of instituting anything….remember, the players had to draw him up simple plays on the sidelines…
January 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Capable…
January 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t see any of the SB coaches coming here to interview. They would have come in last week when they were on their “bye” week, right?
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Coaching staff is not available for interview while their team’s season is still ongoing. if al’s to interview one of them, it has to be after the SB.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:49 am
4eva: we should use more split backs formation.
Problem is, Bush is the #3 guy unless Fargas or McFadden get injured (pretty likely)
January 29th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Tom Cable: I think this guy deserves another chance!
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd347/TFDSsports/Niners%20Raiders%20preseason%20game/P1020790-1.jpg
January 29th, 2009 at 7:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:49 am
4eva: we should use more split backs formation.
Problem is, Bush is the #3 guy unless Fargas or McFadden get injured (pretty likely)
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I think despite his college injury, Bush seems more durable. That was a major injury, wheras Fargas and McFadden go down every other week it seems with minor, nagging injuries.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I agree Rockstar
January 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
LAto theBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t see any of the SB coaches coming here to interview. They would have come in last week when they were on their “bye” week, right?
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Coaching staff is not available for interview while their team’s season is still ongoing. if al’s to interview one of them, it has to be after the SB.
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Are you sure about that? I recall a lot of talk of coaches being able to interview when their team were on a bye. The same way Gilbride interviewed with us intially.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Tom Cable: I think this guy is a scoring machine even though McFadden and Bush combined matched his career TD numbers in less than one full season!
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0915/fantasy_i_fargas_300.jpg
January 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
4eva…
Im in pretty good mood myself, last night, Mexico-Sweden was played in Oakland, at the Coliseum.. and many of “my players” meaning the are playing for my danish club, was on field, and the lone victory goal was made by one of our players..
So im in a good mood, cant wait till they come back to Denmark, and the season continues.. then we can start with the biggest game against uFCK, sukcers!
January 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
whats the “master plan” the front office keeps talkin about, i wonder? whats the point? if al’s lookin at another HC, why would that candidate want a ready-made staff? cable’s our guy, i just can’t fathom why we’re doing things this way….
January 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Oakglenn keeps talking about how big and fast Oher is, like yesterday when he said he was 6′7″ 340 pounds and ran a 4.8 second forty. He is only the 4th rated prospect according to the real NFL scouts and is nowhere near as big and fast as Oakglenn claims being 6′5″ 305 pounds and runs a 5.22 second forty. Please Oakglenn do some research before you spew lies to the rest of us. Monroe looks like the better player.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2009&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
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Once again Sith, you are the one lying. As we now know. And no, I didn’t say Michael Oher. Michael Oher is the 4th best prospect in my mind as well, but certainly not because of his physical attributes, which we will see at the combine. I was using an aggregate of some of the players, making it seem a little cartoonish to demonstrate my point. But my point is, these guys are 6′7″, 300+ lbs run 4point forties and can jump and hit the top of the back board. Not all of them mind you, but some can. The top prospects can. Cut the lies Sith.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Plus I like the name CRAZY CAT 4 a 4mation
January 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am
No way Bush is #3 on the depth chart. I’m not going to even entertain that RR. You’re trying to rile me up man, and I’m not falling for it!
January 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
LAto theBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t see any of the SB coaches coming here to interview. They would have come in last week when they were on their “bye” week, right?
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Coaching staff is not available for interview while their team’s season is still ongoing. if al’s to interview one of them, it has to be after the SB.
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Are you sure about that? I recall a lot of talk of coaches being able to interview when their team were on a bye. The same way Gilbride interviewed with us intially.
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Jhill,
Assistant coaches on the SB teams could have interviewed with other teams LAST week, but not this week leading up to the SB.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:56 am
The point about some of these great tackle prospects is they are complete “freaks of nature”. To run a 4.4 or 4.5 forty yard dash is pretty amazing really. To be 6′7″ 300lbs and run a 4.9 or 5.0 is even more amazing to me. Half a second. In forty yards. And Joe Staley the current starting left tackle of the Whiners ran a 4.7.
January 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I will be rather interested to see how they utilize our backfield. with the distinct running styles of our 3 backs, i say we use em all. theres a lot of options to play around with it. cable seems to like fargas
January 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
LAto theBay,
Some master plan we have huh? Sign some assistants and then name Cable as HC. Wow, talk about blowing us away! I get chills just thinking about the potential!
Anyone here truly believe Tom Cable is capable of leading the Raiders to a Super Bowl in the next five years?
January 29th, 2009 at 7:58 am
That was my original point Dakota …
If they were going to interview here, they already had that opportunity. If it hasn’t happened yet, then what makes fokls think it’s going to happen at all?
January 29th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:58 am
That was my original point Dakota …
If they were going to interview here, they already had that opportunity. If it hasn’t happened yet, then what makes fokls think it’s going to happen at all?
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I was thinking the same thing, but maybe those coaches said hey, even though we can interview we have more important things to worry about right now so if you want us you will have to wait until after the SB because we are busy getting ready for the biggest game of our lives.
That was my hope anyhow.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:01 am
I am quite confident at this point that Al is sticking with the zone-blocking scheme that Cable preaches. I don’t think he is sold on Cable as a head coach, but he absolutely wants him as an O-line coach or possibly OC. But most importantly Al needs Cable to scout lineman in the draft for him, because it is Cable’s system and he picks the players. So he is stringing him along through the Senior Bowl and getting info out of him, until he can find a better candidate or he runs out of viable candidates. Simple enough, and that is Herrera’s master plan.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I am gay and like to suk cox.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Anyone here truly believe Tom Cable is capable of leading the Raiders to a Super Bowl in the next five years?
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By himself? No.
I’m more concerned with how our defense is going to play. With Hackett as QB coach, Saunders or Trestman (assumptions) as OC, and the weapons we have on offense, I’m not concerned about that group at all to be honest. I’m pretty sure we’ll find a RT somewhere, so no real issues there.
But our DEs run defense, hole at MLB, questions at Corner, and Eugene at S are the true obstacles to a super bowl run in the next 5 years.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:54 am
No way Bush is #3 on the depth chart. I’m not going to even entertain that RR. You’re trying to rile me up man, and I’m not falling for it!
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Sorry Jhill, if Tom Cable is our HC that is exactly what is going to happen (barring injury). More and more Fargas up the middle. 218 carries and 1 TD. Kiss the 2009 season goodbye bro.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:07 am
—”Cardinals DL Darnell Dockett revealed that he did not like football as a teenager because he had other priorities. “I actually quit,” Dockett said. “I was used to stealing cars and fighting. I remember talking to the coach, and he asked me if I knew the three-point stance, and I was like, ‘No, but I can tell you how to steal a Buick Regal.’”"—
LOL, cool that he openly admit, he was so as a youngster..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Post # 377 we all knew that already you didn’t have to tell us about your homosexual tendencies.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Why would anyone steal a Buick Regal?
January 29th, 2009 at 8:11 am
here Dakota let me fill up your glass!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
# Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Why would anyone steal a Buick Regal?
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have seen Dockett, that man doesnt walk 100m if he can drive =)
January 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
There seems to be a lot of people really excited about Cable based on the last two games but seem to be forgetting he was also coaching the Atlanta, KC, and several other travesties.
I also keep reading “He really loves the Raiders” Hey, nobody loved Notre Dame more than Gerry Faust.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
outsider we have had our share of people that used Big Al 4 a stepping-stone.Big Al is now singing: I I I I I’m not youre stepping-stone.Big Al has a BIG HEART,imo,but he aint goon do it no more
January 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Why would anyone steal a Buick Regal?
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A Regal? If u have to ask .. well u know the rest.
Lets just say that the Buick Regal was a hot car in the neighborhood back in the day. We couldn’t all have Benzos and Caddys.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am
If its Cable he will stay a long time,imo
January 29th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:52 am
LAto theBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t see any of the SB coaches coming here to interview. They would have come in last week when they were on their “bye” week, right?
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Coaching staff is not available for interview while their team’s season is still ongoing. if al’s to interview one of them, it has to be after the SB.
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Are you sure about that? I recall a lot of talk of coaches being able to interview when their team were on a bye. The same way Gilbride interviewed with us intially.
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Jhill,
Assistant coaches on the SB teams could have interviewed with other teams LAST week, but not this week leading up to the SB.
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Ok, found out that coaches can receive permission to interview from current team but a second interview cannot be conducted until the season ends.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:21 am
hmmm dammit, our peaceful nation seem to see a revival of the rocker war :/
January 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Why would anyone steal a Buick Regal?
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A Regal? If u have to ask .. well u know the rest.
Lets just say that the Buick Regal was a hot car in the neighborhood back in the day. We couldn’t all have Benzos and Caddys.
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I can see why now!:
http://www.hondaacuraautoparts.com/honda-acura-auto-parts-catalog/images/LSD-Door-Kits-Buick-Regal-Lambo-Doors-1.gif
January 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Jhill Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Why would anyone steal a Buick Regal?
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A Regal? If u have to ask .. well u know the rest.
Lets just say that the Buick Regal was a hot car in the neighborhood back in the day. We couldn’t all have Benzos and Caddys.
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o, regals were the sh:t. if u couldn’t floss the german wheels, caddy, or impala, regal was whats up.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:23 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am
If its Cable he will stay a long time,imo
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12 months is not that long 4eva.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I don’t get caught up in the Fargas controversy. It was clear that he was “rewarded” last year for his performance the year before. He was clearly the best back for a lot of reasons that year ahead of Jordan and Rhodes. That may have been sad statement for us, but none the less true. Fargas wasnt THAT bad, he just sucked around the goal line and was injury prone. And it was Kiffin’s decision to make him the #1 back, not Cable. If u were not flat out horrible, u were not benched last year, and u can not say that Fargas was horrible.
This year I expect things to be totally different. It will be Cable’s show to evaluate who his best options are at RB and there is no way he can justify having Fargas as the #1 guy.
I’ll complain about it if and when it happens, but all things being equal, I can’t see Fargas beating out McFadden or Bush.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
I can totally understand why some of you want Fargas cut. It’s hilarious to think that we have to cut this guy just to get the better players on the field.
LMFAO!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Tee time!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
then Bush abd Dmac better learn how 2 block
January 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am
and
January 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
The Cable Guy?….Zzzzzzzzzz….. (bfd)
January 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
thank you 4eva,
Fargas is the best pass-blocker of the bunch, hence he gets more playing time. It aint Madden 09, you can’t just throw in play-makers and juke your way to the end zone.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
BBB…
well I rather have a double TE set with McFadden Or Bush in the backfield, than a normal I formation with Fargas in there..
yeah Fargas blocks better bfd, problem is he runs for yds at the most..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Funny how despite their supposed inability to block the offense scores TDs when McFadden and Bush play and despite being a great blocker Fargas scores 1.1 TDs per year!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:41 am
McDaddy has not proven anything except that his feet hurt. Bush was worn out by having to play one whole great game on his own. Fargas is always a play away from critical injury.
Fargas may be able to block better than the other two but he cannot catch the ball.
Aw hell, keep all three. When breakdowns occur ya gotta have somebody to plug in the backfield.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Fargas cant run OR catch the ball..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Cerebrus Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Hea guys..Huge Raider fan..Post once in a while..
It really is a shame that Tom Cable is the best this (once proud) franchise can do, when hiring a new head coach. He has no NFL head coaching experience and no OC or DC experience. He was a good O-Line coach! THat is it..
How long is Al Davis going to give him to turn this team around? 2-3 years? What if (and its a very good possibility) the team starts off 0-4 or 1-5? Is Al Davis going to fire him mid-season b/c “hes not the guy he thought he hired”.
I really have NO HOPE for this franchise until Al Davis dies!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Cerberus, should be McFadden, Bush and Rankin..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
408!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
“When he’s working for free and not under contract”
Jerry do you really think Cable is not getting paid anything. Even though he is not the HC I would still think he is getting paid for his services. Maybe I am naive.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Can someone pls elaborate on Paul Hackett’s credentials as a QB coach.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:46 am
#406 until our drool rag wearing owner dies or relinquishes control of the team we are screwed.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Angelo,..theres probably people in your family that think theres no hope there either until YOU die,…get a life you loser.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
RaiderTay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
“When he’s working for free and not under contract”
Jerry do you really think Cable is not getting paid anything. Even though he is not the HC I would still think he is getting paid for his services. Maybe I am naive.
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He is just happy with the free catering and airline tickets right now.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
My point is that Cable was scurred to throw Bush or McFadden into the games full time, because he didnt want to get the franchise injured. Now that Bush has shown what a dominating running presence he can be in a game, I am sure that Kelly Skipper’s first task as RB coach will be getting Bush lots and lots of pass-blocking reps at practice.
I want Fargas on the bench as much as the next guy, but it is a process and it takes time.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
#410
Paul Hackett is a coach who served both as the University of Pittsburgh and University of Southern California’s head football coach during the 1990s. From 1989 to 1992 he led the University of Pittsburgh Panthers and from 1998 until 2000, the USC Trojans prior to Pete Carroll taking over. Between his two head coaching stints, Hackett served as the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs from 1993 to 1997.
From Wikipedia
January 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
# RaiderTay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
“When he’s working for free and not under contract”
Jerry do you really think Cable is not getting paid anything. Even though he is not the HC I would still think he is getting paid for his services. Maybe I am naive.
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I think he is paid the same monthly pay as he didduring the season, and if Al doesn’t want Cable he just stops paying..
If Al wants Cable to be HC, Cable will be called in and get a proper contract..
I dont think you are naive… when it was said Cable was at the seniorbowl on Als dime, I dont think it just was traveling expenses that was covered, I think it meant he was paid by the Raiders..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am
# BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
My point is that Cable was scurred to throw Bush or McFadden into the games full time, because he didnt want to get the franchise injured. Now that Bush has shown what a dominating running presence he can be in a game, I am sure that Kelly Skipper’s first task as RB coach will be getting Bush lots and lots of pass-blocking reps at practice.
I want Fargas on the bench as much as the next guy, but it is a process and it takes time.
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So true!
January 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Oakglenn
But my point is, these guys are 6′7″, 300+ lbs run 4point forties and can jump and hit the top of the back board. Not all of them mind you, but some can. The top prospects can. Cut the lies Sith.
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Name one Offensive Tackle that could jump and touch the TOP of the Backboard in the history of Football.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Bush declared on TV that he wanted Gilbride as HC and not Tom Cable. As long as Cable is HC Bush will remain #3 on the depth chart.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:52 am
lets see,when Fargas was called upon he was and is ready.Dmac is the gifted 1,Bush the animal.I really dont care who starts,its a long season and we needed all 3.It all starts in the weight and conditioning room.Bush had all camp,pre-season and regular season 2B IN TOP SHAPE.When he was called upon in KC in 3rd quater he did good.In Tampa he did good but was cooked.Bush does NOT prepare himself.I would not feel comfortable 2 depend on him for 16 games.It seems he is NOT as serious as Fargas is.Wish Bush had Fargas’s determination and HEART
January 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
amen to that 4eva,
240-lb running backs who whine about playing a little fullback do not endear themselves to coaches, especially coaches that are former lineman. I like Bush with the ball in his hands, but he has a lot to learn still.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
4eva..
I dont say its okay, but it must be hard for bush to see drives end because Fargas was ahead of him, Heart is great and all but I think results are more important, and Fargas does not deliver any results, just investments..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
FANS EITHER BBB
January 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
My point is that Cable was scurred to throw Bush or McFadden into the games full time, because he didnt want to get the franchise injured. Now that Bush has shown what a dominating running presence he can be in a game, I am sure that Kelly Skipper’s first task as RB coach will be getting Bush lots and lots of pass-blocking reps at practice.
I want Fargas on the bench as much as the next guy, but it is a process and it takes time.
=======================agree completely
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 8:52 am
lets see,when Fargas was called upon he was and is ready.Dmac is the gifted 1,Bush the animal.I really dont care who starts,its a long season and we needed all 3.It all starts in the weight and conditioning room.Bush had all camp,pre-season and regular season 2B IN TOP SHAPE.When he was called upon in KC in 3rd quater he did good.In Tampa he did good but was cooked.Bush does NOT prepare himself.I would not feel comfortable 2 depend on him for 16 games.It seems he is NOT as serious as Fargas is.Wish Bush had Fargas’s determination and HEART
===========================================agree completely. u 2 said it all with regards to our backfield situation
January 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
hey! bush didnt whine, he just stated the obvious, than he cant lay FB, but did so because he was asked to do so…
Fargas is a better FB than Bush, that says something about how bad Bush is at FB..
January 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
its like saying to JaMarcus, now you are DE, you have the size…
January 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
well Bush has all camp,all pre-season 2 get in Fargas shape.The BIG question is: will he???
January 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
4eva..
the big question is, will fargas get more than 3 runs over 5yds..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
LMN,
Nobody asked Bush for his opinion on whether or not he would make an decent FB. The coach asked him to fill in a little since they had lost their starting and back-up FB’s, it would get him playing time and learn him some blocking skills. Bush balked.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
LMN Bush DID cry.I know ,I gave him a tissue =)
January 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I found the Inman article amusing. He refers to Mr Davis not hiring a “high profile coach”.
As if that would make a difference.
There is not a “high profile” coach that was not aligned with “high profile” talent. That ommision is almost as silly as thinking that a guy like Mike Holmgren lost his “touch”. How did Seifert do in Carolina? How about Ditka and Stram in New Orleans? How has Shanahan done without Elway?
Talent is eighty percent of the game.
Coaching “saviors” do not exist.
Cable will do fine if we draft some lineman this April. Everything else will follow. Were Madden and Flores “high profile” coaches when hired?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
They should have simply signed a FB off of someone’s practice squad instead of trying to ruin someones career by switching them from HB to FB.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
The bottom line is that Bush is not a fullback, evident in college and in that breakout game against Tampa. You can develop his blocking skills in camp and practice without putting his feet to the fire. If anything use him like Gibbs used his, in a more versatile fashion.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
About a decade ago the California state legislature deemed that cable companies were ripping off the public and so a bill was passed requiring cable companies to send reimbursement to consumers. No reimbursement was ever seen, cable bills have been rising ever since and the ultimate revenge may be to saddle us with Tom the Cable Guy (personally I like him even if he may not be HC material)as the Raiders’ leader.
On an unrelated matter, the California state legislature, also some years ago passed legislation requiring insurance companies to make earthquake insurance more affordable to homeowners. The result? Earthquake insurance skyrocketed making it unaffordable even to those who had previously paid outrageous premiums.
On another unrelated matter, The people of Bhopal have as of now, after waiting for a quarter century, received not one dime from anyone regarding Union Carbide’s gassing of the local populace.
On another unrelated matter…
January 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
LMN everyone in Raider-Land was singing Fargas’s praise when in only 7 games he gained 1000.This past year he was injuried and didnt do 2 well.I saw many a time this year where Fargas saved Jmac’s azz.Do you trust Bush’s blocking 2 save the Foundation???
January 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
BBB..
maybe so but the kid had never ever played the spot…
so he stated the obvious, that he couldn’t!
As I said, its like saying to JaMarcus, now you are DE, you have the size… Bush has the size,but never tried it, he is a RB…just as Russell is a QB, he maye have some success, but its more up to luck than ability…
it was foolish of Cable, period.. Cable brought unnecessary heat towards Bush, blame is on Cable on this one..
Any FA FB was better than Bush a FB, so he just stated the obvious, that he does not have those abilities.. btw, reason we were okay the last few season was because we added a FA FB, reject of other teams was better than bush as FB, so to sum up, Bush just stated the obvious..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
That is what they did. The point is this: Bush’s boss asked the redshirt rookie if he was interested in trying something different for a chance to get some playing time. Bush’s response was “No, thanks” If I said that to my boss, my career possibilities would be cut way short.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
LMN everyone in Raider-Land was singing Fargas’s praise when in only 7 games he gained 1000.This past year he was injuried and didnt do 2 well.I saw many a time this year where Fargas saved Jmac’s azz.Do you trust Bush’s blocking 2 save the Foundation???
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woaw! 1000 yds, yeah that was okay..
as I said, Irather ahve double TE set and NO FARGAS, and Bush or McFadden in the backfield… Fargas is more or less waste, he is only a part on this team because of his heart, and because he has been here for so long, and lastly Al finds him good..
its beyond me, but this is symptom of why we are committed to mediocreness, we have no chance on improvement if we base business dicisions on heart and nostalgia.. Fargas is not the sollution, yeah he is kay, maybe a fine fella. bu he cant make us better.. some one else can… thats how i look at it..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:13 am
“I’ve always been a team player,” Bush ended up saying. “So, it’s one of those things. You just suck it up, go about your business and try to have some fun with it.”
“Mike is a very mature guy, so if he has to line up there, he will,” fullback Justin Griffith said. “He’ll get it done.”
Coach Lane Kiffin did not discuss the position change during his news conference.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Perhaps Michael Bush is a distant cousin of the Kennebunkport/Crawford crowd and he thought he had the power to dismiss Cable’s request to try FB. Now that the Bushies have been dethroned perhaps Michael will be more amenable to trying and learning new things such as blocking for his QB.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
and if its true as some have said Cable was learning on the fly,who says Cable wouldnt have added a new wrinkle 4mation,like a Czonka-Kick backfield???It was only 4 a couple of games maybe 3 or 4 but WHO-CARES,when youre team calls on you 4 the good of the team,you pull up your boot-straps,tighten your belt or whatever, 4 THE GOOD OF THE TEAM,imo
January 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
the transition from fullback to running back is similar to wide reciever to tight end. It is not that far of a stretch. Former college linebackers have become pro FB’s for craps sake. He would have been used like Justin Griffith, not O’Neal. Go out and catch a screen pass, block a little, run the ball in short situations, it aint rocket science. Bush should have jumped at the chance to get some playing time, but instead his choice to decline sealed his fate for most of the season.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
# BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
That is what they did. The point is this: Bush’s boss asked the redshirt rookie if he was interested in trying something different for a chance to get some playing time. Bush’s response was “No, thanks” If I said that to my boss, my career possibilities would be cut way short.
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So let me get this, when NE drafted Rich Gannon in the 4th, and said he should be a DB, he said NO, trade me… then he was wrong? he later became MVP as QB for us!?
Bush was right, he stated that Cable was making a mistake.. Bush knew our team would have a harder time wining if he played FB, than if he was benched… he sacrificed possiblities for the team to be better, he knew he couldn’t help the team as FB..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:17 am
People make too much of the Cardinals being 9-7 in the regular season. At one point they were 7-3 with one of the best records in the NFL at the time. They clinched the division around Week 12 and went into cruise control for a few weeks. If they had to play hard all year they probably would’ve gone 11-5.
And now they’re 12-7 and in the Super Bowl, which sounds a whole lot better than 9-7.
I have some questions about Haley’s personality. I think he’s got a little that Bill Parcells dictator thing about him. Which has never been the way for HC’s in Raiderland. And I personally don’t like it. Let other teams hire the @ssholes. But Haley has made some excellent play calls during the playoffs. You have to give him credit. He’s dialing up the plays and is in the Super Bowl.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Blocking is an attitude. Period.
We were in a bad spot because of injuries.
We did get Lawton from the “practice squad”.
Asking someone to block will not ruin their career. It is not as though Bush is a frail 160 pounder.
If you are not good at blocking; practice and get better and be a better all around ball player.
Pandering to BS is what has helped the Raiders attract one dimensional prima donna’s with high salaries that do not perform at crunch time.
Those days are gone.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I know it’s his habit, but you would think Al would learn that his long ruminations over who to hire don’t always work out that well, and he loses prospects along the way because they go elsewhere.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Oh well, I guess some of you will be fine when, due to the mishandling of the situation by the Raiders, Bush leaves when his contract expires and signs with the Broncos and runs all over us for 5-10 years…because Bush refused to play FB, lol, and he didn’t have the HEART of MR. Justin Hands of Stone 1.1 TD/year Fargas.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
and its Not like saying Jmac play DE.If you told Burgess 2 play ILB that would be a closer assessment,imo
January 29th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Charlie,
Im starting to think the same that coaching is not as important as one may think.
First off look at the Rookie Coaches who had more success than the legacy guys.
Second I was thinking about guys who took over talented teams and won Superbowls (ie Siefert in SF, Gruden in Tampa, Switzer (sp?) in Dallas ). If a team is talented you can swap out coaches and ontinue to win.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
LMN,
I am not sure that you understood what happened last year. They were not telling Bush to become the starting FB for the rest of his career. It was a short term solution to a company problem. They asked him to learn some new tricks and help out the team, while also getting valuable playing time to help himself, until they could get Luke Lawton up to speed with the playbook. That’s it. It wasnt a permanent position switch.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am
RaiderTay..
you cant be serious, look at our team for christ sakes, dont come and say coaches dont matter, what about atlanta, what Miami??
January 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Oakglenn names one 6′7″ 300 pound lineman than runs 4.8 second forty.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
# BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
LMN,
I am not sure that you understood what happened last year. They were not telling Bush to become the starting FB for the rest of his career. It was a short term solution to a company problem. They asked him to learn some new tricks and help out the team, while also getting valuable playing time to help himself, until they could get Luke Lawton up to speed with the playbook. That’s it. It wasnt a permanent position switch.
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exactly, and bush new and told them that the team would have a better chance if they just coldstarted Lawton, or any other FB on the FA market..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
bush knew…correction
January 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Remember McFadden’s tricked out ride:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2007/07/18/d-macs-ride-makes-the-haters-come-out/
January 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Here is one for the Gruden haters:
TAMPA – Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive end Simeon Rice became the latest former player to rip Jon Gruden, the Bucs’ head coach for seven years who was fired after the team went 9-7 and missed the playoffs in 2008.
“I think he’s a scumbag personally,” Rice said in an interview Tuesday on Sirius Radio’s “Movin’ the Chains” with Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan. “You know what he told me? ‘Simeon you’ll be here in the next five years.’ I got injured [and] this man’s never said one word to me. I won a Super Bowl for you. I got 13 sacks, 12, 15 every year for you. I balled. I got injured [and] you let me go like it was nothing.”
Rice had 69 1/2 sacks, 25 forced fumbles and four interception in six seasons with the Bucs, five of the years under Gruden. He was released after the 2006 season, when he played in only eight games before injuring his shoulder.
Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl in 2002, Gruden’s first year as coach, but the Bucs otherwise were inconsisent under Gruden and did not win another playoff game after that. They started last season 9-3 but lost their last four games and gave up a 10-point lead in a season-ending home loss to the Oakland Raiders when a win would have secured a wild-card playoff spot.
Rice said Gruden’s biggest problem is telling players one thing, then doing something else entirely. He ran off a litany of players he said Gruden treated badly.
“You look at what he did when Chris [Simms] damn near died on the field he wanted to release him right when he got injured,” Rice said. “I get hurt, my shoulder’s torn off the bone. This dude releases me. You know what I mean? ‘I’m your guy.’ The list goes on.
“Keenan McCardell [traded after a holdout in 2004], that situation was a debacle. Keyshawn Johnson [deactivated by Gruden in 2003], another situation [that] was a debacle.”
Rice went on to offer his opinion about Gruden’s personnel issues this past season.
“Joey Galloway, which was his man, was in the dog house all year because he got injured, broke his ankle or whatever. Brad Johnson, that situation was bad. Brings Jeff Garcia in here, ‘Oh, he’s going to change things.’ I helped recruit him, [and he] released me, kept Jeff and then put him in the dog house. Gets rid of Brian Greise, brings him, starts a controversy. It was chaotic.”
Rice spent the 2007 season with Denver and Indianapolis. He did not play in 2008 and now is a self-described “entrepreneur” who works on music, entertainment and fashion projects.
“You get what you deserve,” Rice said. “That’s what Jon said. He got it now. Everybody gets what they deserve.”
January 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am
believe me I love Bush 2 (=))but can he play every down.Can Dmac,can Fargas???Face it guys we are lucky 2 have all 3
January 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
They should have simply signed a FB off of someone’s practice squad instead of trying to ruin someones career by switching them from HB to FB
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Dakota: we did. When O’Neil landed on IR we claimed Luke Lawton off waivers. When Justin Griffith landed on IR we signed FB Jason Davis from the Bears practice squad. Lawton started at FB and when he got a concussion, Bush played a little FB. Bush played well enough that they cut Davis. It’s not that he couldn’t do it, it’s that he didn’t want to and made sure everybody knew he didn’t want to.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Fargas is a part of the problem, we need to be able to let go of those players that just dont have it.. all this heart and nostalgia, we wot win we keep buddies and nice fellas,.. we need beasts.. Bush may not be so, but fact is Fargas is getting old, he will never be a part of the future anyhow, so let him go, lets trade the guy for a 5th.. he would then help his raiders more than he ever has..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RR,
What is your point? The Raiders still tried to force Bush to play FB. Why cut Davis? Why not let the FB play FB?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Dakota,
nice read about Mr. Chucky.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Trying to move Bush to FB was one of Cable’s top four blunders, which include:
4) The Janikowski fake FG try on 4th & 10 vs. the Chiefs. Ridiculously bad judgement.
3) Bush to FB. The guy has never played the position. It’s completely different than HB and Bush’s talent goes wasted
2) Fargas over McFadden & Bush.
1) Kwame over Mario. Everybody knew it was time to bench Harris about 10 weeks before Cable actually did. In the 5 games in which Henderson started the Raiders averaged about 26 points per game. In the 11 games Harris started, the team averaged about 11 ppg.
I’ll give him credit for some nice calls too though.
–The fake punt vs. the Jets was brilliant and ballsy. Not because it worked but because Alston, unlike Janikowski, was a perfect candidate to execute a play like that and the team really needed a spark since the offense was going nowhere all day.
– JaMarcus seemed to play a lot better after that one week hiatus when Cable kept him out of the Atlanta game.
– Two nice wins against the red-hot Texans and playoff-eligible Buccaneers on the road to close out the season.
– Didn’t show the stubborness that a lot of head football coaches show by being willing to ride Bush in that final game even after the two seemed to be feuding a little and was finally willing to play Henderson over his pet project Kwame by the last 3 games.
– Shook up the defense. D-Hall was cut. Huff was replaced. Alston was an upgrade at OLB. And — aside from debacles in New Orleans and vs. New England — the unit was better after that.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
# Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RR,
What is your point? The Raiders still tried to force Bush to play FB. Why cut Davis? Why not let the FB play FB?
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exactly..
its like letting the nurse play doctor, and the doctor play surgeon… CAble brought on this problem not Bush..
January 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Oaklgenn thinks running a fast forty for a down lineman is going to help him pass block trying to walk backwards, good one Einstein. In fact Staley was clocked on one of those runs at 4.85 seconds. You say the top prospects run fast then why was Staley selected 28th by the niners?
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=16538&draftyear=2007&genpos=OT
January 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Bush and Dmac are young.This is the final year of Fargas contract.We wont draft a RB,imo,Rankin dosent know the book yet.People say playas play best in a contract year.Doesnt it make sence 2 keep Fargas???
January 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
If ya cain’t block, y’ain’t good fer nuthin’ ta yer QB on passing downs. Why do think JJ Arrington is AZ’s 3rd down back?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I long for MaddenRaiders cokc.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
LMN,
Im not saying Coaches dont matter at all. Im just saying if a team is talented enough they can win despite a coach. For cryin out loud we went to the Super bowl with Callahan.
The problem with the Raiders isnt Coaching its a lack of talent at key positions specifically OL/DL.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Post #467 I’ll just change my name since you can’t handle the truth.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:37 am
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts/45281-raiders-make-uninspired-hire-in-cable?eref=fromSI
Never really liked this clown. didn’t know Al was a Clippers fan
January 29th, 2009 at 9:37 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Bush and Dmac are young.This is the final year of Fargas contract.We wont draft a RB,imo,Rankin dosent know the book yet.People say playas play best in a contract year.Doesnt it make sence 2 keep Fargas???
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This isn’t the final year of Fargas’ contract, he signed a 4 year deal last season.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Al is a clippers’ fan? What!
January 29th, 2009 at 9:39 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I long for MaddenRaiders cokc.
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Nice comeback Oakglenn… well done =)
January 29th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I am out, post #467 and 471 are not me and I’ll leave it to you guys to figure who I am next, good luck trolling Oakglenn you need it.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
#455
The crazy thing about those pics, is that it says 4-7-99 in the bottom right, for the date. He would have been 12. When was the pic taken??
January 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Hire Jim Fassel/Chris in NY Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
post 462
all good points. cable made some mistakes. the fake field goal i think being far less detrimental than keeping Kwame as a starter. Not only ineffective but the guy took false start after false start.
It was an adjustment period, and I think Cable, the line, JR, and the Raiders in general, progressed as the season went along. How about the play of our secondary after we cut Hall?
Veteran coordinator like marshall and saunders will help cable’s progression.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
“Welcome to The Faider Comedy Central Network”
“Still and Always will be, The Laughing Stock of The NFL”
Whats wrong with the Faiders ?
#1- Al Bundy Davis and his dysfunction front office
#2- The Cable Guy is not the coach, but is doing the interviews, and sending all the report’s to Al Bundy Davis. Just how accurate are his reports.
#3- Tim Brown, is talking to Al Bundy behind everyone’s back, telling Al Bundy, he wants to coach.
#4- Former Faider Players and Sports News Casters, are telling everyone to, “say away from the Faiders”
#5- The potential Coaches they did interview, didn’t even wait for the second interview, they signed with other teams.
#6- Hiring Secondary Coaches, “BUT” not hiring the Head Coaches first.
#7- In-Fighting between Al Bundy, and the share holders of the Faiders.
The list goes on………
Just Sell or Die Baby……………and so it is !
January 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I relish the thought of Oher coming to Oaklnd since he is 6′7″, 340 pounds, can run a 4.8 second forty and can jump to the top of the blackboard.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am
3298 – Sapp is an overbloated POS! He’ll say anything to try and save his new gig at NFL network. What a useless hot air bag. Sounds like a complete moron! How in the world can a valued offensive line coach i the NFl not understand blocking schemes and defensive fronts? Pull your head out my man!
January 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am
I think Al put the whole interim thing on Cable, and than hired as a new guy, to get the free two weeks of extra mini-camp that goes to “new coaches”.
Also to consider, the one year deal is in the event that the 2010 is an uncapped year, and if there is a lockout, he doesn’t want to have salaries he has to pay. Huge conspiracy theory, I know, but I wouldn’t put it past our fearless leader.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Quit ragging on Oakglenn, he is the smartest piece of sshhiitt this side of Vegas.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Hi all, Do you think Al is waiting to discredit the espn talking heads or because he wants to interview one of the assistants in the Super Bowl?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Miami won because of a QB change and improved line play first. Coaching helped but it was not the primary reason for improvement.
Atlanta had talent prior to the Vick mess. They got Ryan and Turner behind an already solid front and away they went. Coaching helped but it was not the primary cause of the improvement.
How did Gruden do in Tampa?
How about Shanahan in Denver?
How about Del Rio in Jax?
Did these guys all fet stupid or did the on the field talent drop off?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Cable is a crappy judge of talent in my opinion. For me the biggest knock on keeping him as head coach, is that Al and him making our personnel decisions will be worse than Gruden/Allen. Cable wanted Harris, Green, Jeremy “head-nod” Newberry, and his 3rd round selection of Henderson still leaves me wondering. Cable seems to be a good game-day leader, and practice motivator, but please let someone else choose the roster and starters.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Sith wait,you mean Fargas signed a 4 year extension???? Please elaborate.I thought he signed a 3 yr. deal 2 years ago
January 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
4evaRaider I had to change my name because the post you are referring to and another were Oakglenn trolling, but I thought he sigend a three year deal too so it shows you how ignorant the real Oakglenn is even as he tries to troll lol.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
“Did these guys all fet stupid or did the on the field talent drop off?”
this does not make sense to me, what do you mean?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:55 am
No word on the interview with Marshall last night?
C,mon Jerry. Do we have a defensive coordinator or not?
January 29th, 2009 at 9:56 am
comment 1:
They should have simply signed a FB off of someone’s practice squad instead of trying to ruin someones career by switching them from HB to FB
comment 2:
What is your point? The Raiders still tried to force Bush to play FB. Why cut Davis? Why not let the FB play FB?
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Dakota, you said the Raider should have signed a scrub FB from another team after our top 2 went down. WE DID! I proved that to you. what’s my point? seriously? you can’t connect those dots? Why cut Davis? Because Bush outplayed him I’m guessing. Bush as a converted FB was better than Davis at the position. You keep the players who produce more. You don’t think Bush has more value than Jason Davis? Did you watch the game against Tampa Bay? The dude has talent. Get that talent on the field. Is Bush better than Fargas? YES! should Bush help the team out? YES! The Raiders are the only team in the NFL through 4 rounds of the draft that took a chance on him after his injury. Bush sent a letter to EVERY NFL team stating he was healthy BEFORE the draft. He needs to show some respect.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:57 am
4eva,
I think Fargas signed a 3 year deal last offseason, meaning he still has two seasons left on his current deal.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:58 am
“Bush as a converted FB was better than Davis at the position.”
Nope it wasn’t, cable brought this on..Cable is to blame for that mess
January 29th, 2009 at 9:59 am
2/13/2008: Signed a three-year, $12 million contract. The deal contains $6 million guaranteed. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2009: $2.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2010: $1.5 million, 2011: Free Agent. Cap charge: $5,298,333 (2009).
rotoworld.com
January 29th, 2009 at 9:59 am
RR I think you should also add that both Charles White and Marcus Allen played FB in college and both men attribute their time at FB to helping them with their running game as HB. It’s also a team sport last time I checked.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
looks like al needs to restructure fargas’ contract.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota,so in essence it was a extension???
January 29th, 2009 at 10:01 am
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
looks like al needs to restructure fargas’ contract.
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NO, its front loaded, that was the point, point was that he should be traded before his last year.. we can still do it..
January 29th, 2009 at 10:01 am
On February 13, 2008, the Oakland Raiders re-signed Fargas to a three-year extension reportedly worth up to $14 million after incentives with $6 million guaranteed.
wiki
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
thankx LAto TheBay =)
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
LMN: you really think that we would have cut Jason Davis if he was outplaying Bush at FB in practice?
what would be the purpose in doing that? It’s not like Davis or Bush are making a ton of money …
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Oh well, Bush proved himself right in the last game of the season and in doing so he saved Tom Cable’s job…talk about irony.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
fargas did not sign an extension. his rookie contract ran out and he became a free agent. before he could really test the market the raiders re signed him.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I think fargas is too cheap to trade. he has more value on the roster, no matter his position on the depth chart. bush is also coming rather cheap. we need all 3 backs.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
and EX!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
I was late with the info, thx Lato TheBay.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
LMN: you really think that we would have cut Jason Davis if he was outplaying Bush at FB in practice?
what would be the purpose in doing that? It’s not like Davis or Bush are making a ton of money …
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my point is, Lawton should have been in right away.. no need to put Bush in such a position, Davis could have been added to practice squad… Bush is not a FB, never will be.. thats what Cable neglected to see..
January 29th, 2009 at 10:06 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota,so in essence it was a extension???
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An extension? I don’t think so. Fargas’ contract expired after the 2007 season and we re-signed him before the free agent period began. I don’t think that would qualify as an extension. I remember it vividly because I thought my dreams of McFadden went out the door that day, lol.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:06 am
if a trade can be made and another team is willing to take him then fargas needs to go. 3rd string running backs aren’t worth a couple million per year when we could sign rankin or echamandu for the league minimum.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:07 am
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:06 am
if a trade can be made and another team is willing to take him then fargas needs to go. 3rd string running backs aren’t worth a couple million per year when we could sign rankin or echamandu for the league minimum.
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I agree!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
LMN,
This isn’t soccer, you can’t just toss guys in mid-season before they can learn the playbook. They had Lawton, but they needed someone to fill-in a bit when needed, while Lawton learned the plays.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
oh well its a good problem 2 have,imo
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
When you have Bush making pennies, I think he had the second-lowest salary on the team last year, it allows to overpay Fargas. We are stuck with Fargas for at least next year, and nobody is going to give us anything other than 6th round pick for him. You need 3 RB’s in the NFL these days, and we might have one of the best trio’s in the NFL, so you keep that in tact, IMO
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Fargas carries too large of a cap hit to trade. Remember restructuring is more difficult without the labor agreement. Cap charge: $5,298,333 (2009)
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
If Fargas was a REAL team player he would have volunteered to play FB when Griffin went down because he knows Bush is a more talented HB than he is. That would have been what was best for the team right?
So much for Fargas being a team player, lol.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Oakglenn even got Fargas’s contract wrong trying to say he signed a four year deal while trolling, how funny.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Cable gets the HC job, what a bummer. Looks like kissing up to and saying the right things about Al and the Raiders is more important than results. Maybe we win 2 in a row again next year! Joke frachise.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Fargas couldn’t play FB in Kiffin’s offense because of his medical condition: hands of stone.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
# BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
LMN,
This isn’t soccer, you can’t just toss guys in mid-season before they can learn the playbook. They had Lawton, but they needed someone to fill-in a bit when needed, while Lawton learned the plays.
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With all respect, I think I know more about football than you know about soccer… and what a wanker comment..
Lawton was better than Bush, and he would so just if we coldstarted him… Bush was no good, thats fact! heck as i said before, even fargas would be a better FB than Bush would
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I say, with regards to this Bush as fullback issue:
We all know that Bush is a halfback (Cable included).
Some (good) points have been made here that he should just shut up and get some playing time, while at the same time learning new skills and aiding the team where they were in desperate need.
However, I think it really resolved itself. Lawton was brought up to speed. Fargas and McFadden (surprise) were injured, and Bush came in and proved hes no fullback, rather that hes a hell of a halfback.
Yes the Bucs were in decline, losing 3 straight, yes Monte was on his way out. But thats still a monte kiffin-coached defense in position for a playoff berth and playing with desperation. They intercepted JR late, but we bounced back due to Bush’s major contribution. The guy is a beast.
Our FBs are going to be healthy for the start of 09. Bush is a halfback and he proved it.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
No team is going to trade a 3rd round pick or so for Fargas, when that 3rd rounder would probably be just as productive but for about 1/5 the price.
Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd round pick in his prime. Using that scale, Fargas is worth a 84th rounder.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am
They only reason they wanted Bush to play fullback is to give them time to bring in a new fullback and get him up to speed with the offense and Bush was the only back big enough to play the position at that time. Bush moving to fullback was Kiffin’s idea.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:14 am
# Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
If Fargas was a REAL team player he would have volunteered to play FB when Griffin went down because he knows Bush is a more talented HB than he is. That would have been what was best for the team right?
So much for Fargas being a team player, lol.
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Frightening how much I agree with you when it comes to Football =)
January 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am
# vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
No team is going to trade a 3rd round pick or so for Fargas, when that 3rd rounder would probably be just as productive but for about 1/5 the price.
Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd round pick in his prime. Using that scale, Fargas is worth a 84th rounder.
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I haven´t said 3rd round pick, I ahve said I would trade the guy for a 5th and below.. Fargas would then finally make our team better!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Vegas Raider
Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd round pick in his prime. Using that scale, Fargas is worth a 84th rounder.
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lmao
January 29th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Fargas is more valuable on our roster than for a draft pick. As Exla pointed out, his cap hit is too high. We have our long term solution at HB (hopefully) in DMC/Bush. We need all 3. Trading him just leaves another empty roster spot to fill.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am
if the whole team was a team player,the whole team would have volunteered 2 play FB =)
January 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Fargas will restructure if needed, he wants to play in Oakland.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Lawton should have been in right away.. no need to put Bush in such a position, Davis could have been added to practice squad…
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LMN: BBB makes a good point in #510. Lawton did start right away though. As soon as Griffith went down vs the Ravens. The only time Bush played FB was when Lawton got a concussion. Even then, Lawton came back and played the next game. What a warrior. Davis was on the Bears ps, he was not on the street. You can only sign guys from another team’s practice squad if they make your 53 man roster. they can’t make a lateral move. I still think we should have signed Thomas Tapeh instead of Davis …
January 29th, 2009 at 10:20 am
LMN,
If you can find a team that will give us a 5th rounder for him, I would be all ears. But I wouldn’t wait by the phone.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Nice conclusion LA to the Bay, full agreement.
Lets just get some closure on this issue and agree to disagree. Things were said, bad decisions were made in desperate times, but in 2009 Bush is a half-back, Griffith is a full-back, end of story.
..and LMN your football acumen is pretty suspect today, cold-starting FB’s in the NFL is a bad idea. They need to at least learn the names of the plays. Comparing the switch from FB-HB to QB-DE, is a joke. I got much respect for your posts on here 99% of the time, but I take issue with your knowledge of football today.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
all this FB talk really has me missing Zack Crockett
January 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
it would be nice to get a 5th for fargas but more realistically is a 6th or 7th.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I like Fargas, he is a team player and a professional, so I have nothing against him staying as long as Cable pulls his head out of his ass and doesn’t script the first 15 plays for Fargas so that we are down 21-0 to start every game, lol.
Fargas is a great backup HB, and I want him to stay as long as he is used that way. McFadden and Bush provide TDs, Fargas does not. Period. End of story. You can take your better blocker BS and stick it, the results are clear…the offense is better when Bush and McFadden get the ball.
I hope we get a decent OC like Saunders in here to help Cable understand which players should be on the field. That is our only hope if Cable is the HC.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I think if you asked Fargas there would not have been a debate on the blog because Fargas would have played FB. He is a team player.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Bush moving to fullback was Kiffin’s idea.
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excellent point everyone seems to forget, especially the Kiffin lovers. blame cable, defend kiffin
starting ……………… NOW!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Tom Cable is presently working gratis and without contract for Al Davis. Al Davis has shown great loyalty to Tom Cable in allowing him to continue to work for the Raiders without a contract. Al Davis has previously demonstrated his great loyalty to Ed McGah, Wayne Valley, Marcus Allen, John Gruden, the city of Irwindale, and to the Raider fans. Al Davis believes the Raiders will be competitive again.
Al Davis is exploring the possibility of signing Rich Kotite to a 2 year contract as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. If Rich Kotite is hired as head coach Al Davis expects Tom Cable to continue to serve as Offensive Line Coach for the Raiders. A contract for Tom Cable may be explored after Rich Kotite is signed…but there is a possibility that Tom Cable will continue to work free of charge to A.D. Football Inc.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Do you guys know what position Bush played in highschool? Fullback.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Justin Fargas is 4 years older and 25 pounds lighter than Michael Bush. He’s coming off a 1000 yard season. Bush is coming off a broken leg.
you guys do the math
January 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
cable is the perfect hc for al davis because davis doesn’t even have to pay him. davis won’t have to worry about situations like shanahan and kiffin as long as cable works for free.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I thought Bush was a QB in High School.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Bush played Quarterback in high school, was a balla too. Went toe-to-toe with Brian Brohm in the state finals.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am
No he played fullback.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am
And some QB.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Do you guys know what position Bush played in highschool? Fullback.
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Wrong, he was an all-American QB. He was so good, Sprots Illustrated ran a piece on his Kentucky state-championship game against Brian Brohm’s HS team. I think Bush ended up with like 6 TD’s total, but the team lost. Maybe FB as freshman or something, but he was a HS QB. Couldn’t you tell with the beautiful toss he had in the Tampa game?
January 29th, 2009 at 10:27 am
# LAto theBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Fargas is more valuable on our roster than for a draft pick. As Exla pointed out, his cap hit is too high. We have our long term solution at HB (hopefully) in DMC/Bush. We need all 3. Trading him just leaves another empty roster spot to fill.
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RAnkin and Eche is better to 400k a year, then we have the 3 we need… Fargas is part of the problem..
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# Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Fargas will restructure if needed, he wants to play in Oakland.
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GAWD NO, if he is in Oakland after ‘09 season we wont win a playoff game before 2020.. we need that guy out of town, all this mushymushy feelings, “he is a true raider”, “he has heart” and other ridiculous stuff, fact is Fargas isnt any good, and keeping him is a manifest of is staying mediocre..
As i say, investment doesnt cut it, we need results, something all the time Fargas been here we never delivered..
yeah woaw he got 1000yds in 7games.. but how many TD did he get in thsoe7 games? only 4!!! and he made 3 fumbles..
lets talk result, ow many games did he win in those 7 games… fact is Fargas is apart of the problem, keeping guys like him is why we are sick..
January 29th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Rich Kotite is not the head coach of the Oakland Raiders…yet.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Point is he played where they wanted him to play not where he thought he should play.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I believe Bush had 2 games at FB in High School,and I believe he was removed from that duty because his HS coach aid he wasn´t any good… he was a good QB though..
January 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Do you guys know what position Bush played in highschool? Fullback.
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Please post a link to verify that statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bush
High school
Bush attended Male High School where he played quarterback his senior year after seeing action at defensive back, defensive end, linebacker, running back, safety, and wide receiver over his career. As a senior, he led the Bulldogs to the state championship game in Kentucky’s highest class. In a showdown with future Louisville teammate Brian Brohm and his Trinity Shamrocks, Bush threw for 468 yards and six touchdowns and ran for 116 yards and another touchdown in a 59-56 loss. He also caught two passes for 24 yards, returned a punt and a kickoff, and made five tackles on defense.[1]
January 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Bush played a number of positions and played QB in his senior season, he even played WR.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
♫ Good Morning Worm your honour ♫
January 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
You just posted it Dakota thanks.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
# LAto theBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
all this FB talk really has me missing Zack Crockett
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Crockett was money in the bank when we needed 1 yard. He was a hammer!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Farglass sux. Has zero talent. Those who want to keep him are losers. You people are problem. Rankin would be a better 3rd rb. Huggy is pitiful
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
S&B – you and I are on the same page about Raji – that dude is a beast and exactly what we need on the dline – plus if we ever wanted to make a switch to a 3-4, he is a blue chip 3-4 NT – best to come out in a long time. I’ll check out your other prospects on the web, thanks for the info.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
fact is Fargas is apart of the problem, keeping guys like him is why we are sick..
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I agree. I like Fargas, but as long as he’s the starter, he’s stealing carries away from McFadden & Bush, more talented backs. Problem is we can’t cut him due to the cap hit and he holds no trade value. I think he’d play good soldier if he moved down the depth chart, but he seems to be a favorite of Davis & Cable.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
You think Al will hire an OC, or just leave QB’s to Hackett, and have Cable be coach and OC? I asked Jerry this question in his live-chat and he completely blew me off, saying “Off-course they will hire an OC”.
Obviously a long-shot, but is it that inconceivable?
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
You just posted it Dakota thanks.
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It didn’t say he played FB did it.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Dont miss Crockett too much, he is in the scouting department, hopefully finding us the next Zack Crockett. Maybe he will teach our guys the double-Z TD celebration while he is at it.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
nice try troll
January 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I was a big pro-Fargas guy on here, but I lost a lot on that run when he fumbled against KC. Great play call, great-blocking, any NFL caliber RB would have got at least 10 yards or more. Fargas barely gets touched from behind (lack of speed anyone) and fumbles the ball, than gets clobbered. D-Mac or Bush would have easily gotten 15+ yards.
I think Dakota posted the link on youtube once.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
huggy jr wasn’t a full time starter at michigan, then got little carries at usc, then rides the bench until jordans punk ass back goes out for the 10th time. he has hands of stone and absolutely no field vision when running the ball. if the play goes to the 2 hole he runs as hard as he can to the 2 hole even if there are 2 o-lineman, 2 d-lineman, a linebacker, and a safety creeping to that hole.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
It says he played runningback in that article but fact is he did see time at fullback.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Lol @ needing 3 good rbs! Farglass isnt good. What a bunch of p*ussies on this blog. Pitt got 3 good rbs? Az? Bmore?Philly?Ten?Atl?Car? Shut u punks!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Lol @ needing 3 good rbs! Farglass isnt good. What a bunch of p*ussies on this blog. Pitt got 3 good rbs? Az? Bmore?Philly?Ten?Atl?Car? Shut up punks!
January 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
we wouldn’t need 3 runningbacks if fargas was gone because he is the one always getting hurt. everyone talks about him getting 1000yds 2 years ago but he didn’t even finish the season cuz he was hurt.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
It says he played runningback in that article but fact is he did see time at fullback.
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Wow, he played a game in high school as a FB, so now you can declare he played FB in high school!
Well Russell broke out wide as a WR a couple of times last season so I guess you can call him a WR! lol
January 29th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Zack Crockett sucked at FB. He couldnt open up a hole.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:43 am
dakota, don’t forget that sebass is a running back. lol
January 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
lol
January 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Dakota he played in a three back rotation at Louisville and had to play fullback on occasion.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Dakota if I owned a team and you were my RB and a situation arose where I needed you 2 play FB 4 3 or 4 games;Would You would you lmn???
January 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Contrary to popular losers belief on here you dont need 3 GOOD rbs. You want the top 2 to compliment each other i.e. Dmac/Bush. The third guy is just a reserve
January 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I said he played fullback, not that he is a fullback, quit manipulating post just to argue like the whiney little bitch that you are Dakota.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Just got a call that the Cable hire is official. Anyone else see this yet?
January 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Jeremy its a good thig we had Fargas cause twinkle toes couldnt play and something was wrong with Bush,I cant remember what tho
January 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Contrary to popular losers belief on here you dont need 3 GOOD rbs. You want the top 2 to compliment each other i.e. Dmac/Bush. The third guy is just a reserve
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that sums it up. the only time you need 3 rbs is when one of your starters is huggy bear jr
January 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Fullbacks and Halfbacks are interchangeable in certain systems and situations, I can’t believe we are even arguing about this. Teams have players take snaps at both positions all the time and you never hear about it. The only reason this became a story was that Michael Bush decided he would rather whine to the media and sit on the bench, than get on the field and block.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Lol @ needing 3 good rbs! Farglass isnt good. What a bunch of p*ussies on this blog. Pitt got 3 good rbs? Az? Bmore?Philly?Ten?Atl?Car? Shut up punks!
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AZ: James, Harrington, Hightower. All see action through-out the game
B-More: McGinnest, McClain and Rice. All had over 450+ yards this year, none over 1,000.
Car, Ten: Both use a two-back system heavily.
You need 2 or 3 RB’s in the league. Only need two if you have C. Johnson or White, or Williams or Stewart. Bush and D-Mac may enter into that league, but not there yet.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
With saunders maybe the oc Farglass gotta go. Saunders O requires talent at rb. Huggy isnt qualified
January 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Brien Bush or Dmac aint proved sh!t yet
January 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am
saunders O requires rbs to catch the ball so that eliminates fargas from the equation right there.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am
haha…just read that the Niners are going to hire Jimmy Raye as their OC???
He is terrible and even worse than Saunders!
Surprised they are not going with Hue Jackson.
Thats who the Raiders should interview.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Hey, Brian showed up! For those of you who don’t know, Brian revealed to all the cool posters on this blog that he has a petite feminine build and is proud of it. Imagine Jennifer Anniston in a sundress. Yup, that’s our Brian.
So let me guess what your day has consisted of thus far:
1) checking TMZ for all the hot scoop on Jessica Simpson’s new wardrobe blunder
2) downing a Jenny Craig milkshake and still feeling guilty about it all morning
3) calling your ex boyfriend and hanging up when he answers
4) giggling along with Oprah
January 29th, 2009 at 10:55 am
According to your thinking Dakota Bush is a quarterback.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Vegas harrington is barely used and is a tragic bust! McClain is good? Guy is a fullback
January 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I would be all for trading Fargas if they can get at least a 3rd rounder. If not forget it….
Rankin is still waiting in the wings though….
January 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Beeecham ur day consists of worrying about other guys measurements. The 9ers always are hiring for guys like you
January 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
McClain was the leading rusher on a team that went to the AFC championship game. Harrington is a bust, but he gets on the field, and is there kick-returner.
Nobody was complaining about our three/almost 4 RB rotation when we led the league in rushing. Kirby, Crockett, Nap and Wheatley.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I like Fargas, he is a team player and a professional, so I have nothing against him staying as long as Cable pulls his head out of his ass and doesn’t script the first 15 plays for Fargas so that we are down 21-0 to start every game, lol.
Fargas is a great backup HB, and I want him to stay as long as he is used that way. McFadden and Bush provide TDs, Fargas does not. Period. End of story. You can take your better blocker BS and stick it, the results are clear…the offense is better when Bush and McFadden get the ball.
I hope we get a decent OC like Saunders in here to help Cable understand which players should be on the field. That is our only hope if Cable is the HC.
^^Trestman knows how to get the ball in the playmakers and TD makers hands!
January 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am
we wouldn’t even be having this discussion if lame kiffin would have activated bush when bush was healthy in 2007. remember, fargas and jordan were both hurt the last few games so bush would have got some pt. its lame’s fault that fargas was resigned because he had the chance to use bush and didn’t.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am
4eva, and Farglass has proven he sux. Dmac and Bush in limited action did better. There is no debating this
January 29th, 2009 at 11:03 am
# Sith Lord Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Oakglenn names one 6′7″ 300 pound lineman than runs 4.8 second forty.
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Did you not read where I wrote that Joe Staley ran a verified 4.7 forty??? Maybe you were sucking some dudes dikk while I posted that.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I said he played fullback, not that he is a fullback, quit manipulating post just to argue like the whiney little bitch that you are Dakota.
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Riiiiight, lol,…you made a statement that you are now trying to back track from…typical.
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Do you guys know what position Bush played in highschool? Fullback.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am
fargas started 14 games in 08 and only went over 100 yds once. bush and dmac both averaged almost 4 1/2 yds per carry while fargas averaged less than 4.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Jeremy is right. Farglass being resigned and Rhodes let go was dumb from many standpoints
January 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
if ANYONE gains 1000 yards in 7 games in the NFL,it PROVES he DOSENT suk.There is no debating this Brien
January 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
# Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I said he played fullback, not that he is a fullback, quit manipulating post just to argue like the whiney little bitch that you are Dakota.
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SLD… gotta say, you were wrong,better just admit it, then say those who corrected you are whiney..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Thats not back tracking, thanks for clearing that up, he played some fullback in highschool and college, get over it.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am
On draft day you can find a sucker to take Farglass
January 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
if ANYONE gains 1000 yards in 7 games in the NFL,it PROVES he DOSENT suk.There is no debating this Brien
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he was offered those 1000yds, nobody feared us… see how many TDs… FOUR!!!! and how many fumbles, 3!!!
Fargas suck, and no need to sugarcoat it..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
well have some running 2 do BBL NATION.P.S. Brien its a purps run 4me
January 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Oakglenn you stated Oher was this mystery OT that ran as fast as Staley idiot.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Thats not back tracking, thanks for clearing that up, he played some fullback in highschool and college, get over it.
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Lol, hey, at least you finally found the key word: SOME.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
if we can get anything for fargas he needs to go bye bye. even if it is a 6th or 7th round pick. hell, i would trade fargas for some more k-balls and gatorade.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
4eva, my pal, name the good defenses that year he ran well against. How many tds and drops did he have? 1000 yard thing is so overrated. Harvey Williams?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
if we can get anything for fargas he needs to go bye bye. even if it is a 6th or 7th round pick. hell, i would trade fargas for some more k-balls and gatorade.
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yup, 5′er and below..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
# Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Oakglenn you stated Oher was this mystery OT that ran as fast as Staley idiot.
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No I did not, an obviously, you are a troll. You sukk dix too don’t you???
And BTW, Jon Ogden at 6′9″, 5.00 40 had a 32″ vertical. Do the fukking math trolls.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I thought Oher looked pretty good at the Senior Bowl…but his draft stock seems to be falling. Why?
Anyone? Anyone?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Lol 4eva. Enjoy
January 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Theres Oaklgenn the liar, back in full force. Where’s the 6′7″ 340 pound 4.8 second forty yard dash runner Michael Oher when you need him?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Oaklgenn when you were trolling as me you claim Fargas signed a four year extension, can you explain this to the rest of us?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Raiders will not have Farglass in 09
January 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Lunch time.
I am out.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am
When you were trolling Sith Lord Davis, Oakglenn, you claim Fargas signed a four year extension, can you explain this to the rest of us?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I wasn’t wrong about anything LMN lol.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Oher’s percieved intelligence is the problem he is facing, that and the other first-round lineman’s stock is on the rise.
Doesn’t matter to us, Oher is not the agile, quick zone-blocking type that Cable will want.
I am thinking Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Troy Kropog, and maybe Jason Watkins are the early round LT’s that can fit.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Muahahahahhahaha…
im at work, and suddenly i can hear some synth playing through the halls, and my boss comes around the corner with an oldschool 80´s ghetto-blaster on his shoulder playing ‘Europe’ for full blast… LOL
♫ Cherokee – marching on the trail of tears ♫
Bwahahhaha, haven’t heard that for some time..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:23 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
if ANYONE gains 1000 yards in 7 games in the NFL,it PROVES he DOSENT suk.There is no debating this Brien
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ickey woods, bobby humphrey, reggie brooks, gaston green, barry word, barry foster, and list goes on and on. do you remember any of these guys. maybe ickey for that ridiculous dance. all these guys had a 1000 yard season and fell of the face of the earth. 1000 yds doesn’t mean anything. if you do it for a few years and make an impact then it means something.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Harvey Williams? LOL aka “the neck”
Harvey rushed for 1,114 yards and 9 touchdowns in 1995. Fargas hasn’t had a season THAT good…
In 1997 Harvey scored 4 touchdowns in a 38-13 win over the San Diego Chargers. Fargas will NEVER accomplish that feat
January 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
SLD..
well, you were wrong, Bush wasnt a FB, HE PLAYED SOME… you seem to neglect the reason why he was only tried as a FB, he wasn’t any good, so the coach stopped that quickly, I think after just one or two games, at least not many snaps, and this was the main reason why Bush knew he wasn’t going to be any good playing FB for us, either…
January 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Harvey Williams? LOL aka “the neck”
Harvey rushed for 1,114 yards and 9 touchdowns in 1995. Fargas hasn’t had a season THAT good…
In 1997 Harvey scored 4 touchdowns in a 38-13 win over the San Diego Chargers. Fargas will NEVER accomplish that feat
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are you sick!, No, if Fargas was able to score 4 times in a game, I wouldn’t mind keeping him as backup, but 4 scores in 7 games… lol, and 3 fumbles pathetic.. “but Maaaan the guys has heart”.. lol
January 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
No LMN, the reason Bush does not want to be labeled a FB this early in his career is money.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
well whatever.. if you dont want to listen, then I cant help ya… fact is he has been tried before and failed…
but its easier to say something negative about the guy (without merit) than to go look at he history..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Sorry to let you down LMN but I was not wrong about anything. I stated a simple fact that Bush played the position called fullback in highschool and even you know that to be true.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
fargas in his career has 698 carries and 60 receptions and only has 7 td’s to show for it. that is less than 1 td for every 100 times he touches the ball. that sucks.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
# BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Oher’s percieved intelligence is the problem he is facing, that and the other first-round lineman’s stock is on the rise.
Doesn’t matter to us, Oher is not the agile, quick zone-blocking type that Cable will want.
I am thinking Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Troy Kropog, and maybe Jason Watkins are the early round LT’s that can fit.
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That is exactly right. And I have to say I really like Monroe and Smith, and I thought Troy Kropog played extremely well in the Senior Bowl.
While Oher was in High School, his team was killing the opponent, and his High School coach called a trick play inside the opponents red zone. Oher stood up out of his stance and did NOTHING. The play scored a TD and when Oher came to the sideline his coach asked him what the hell he was doing out there. Oher said, “that was such a great play call, I just wanted to watch it.” I don’t know if we want that kind of guy here.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
The Raiders ask him to play one position for two or three weeks and he cries about it after playing both ways in his senior year of highschool? Makes you wonder about the guys heart does it not? I can understand he wants the money but he needs to step to the plate like he has so many times in the past.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Lol
January 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
nice safe, whatever.. you said he PLAYED FB, and he didnt! he was tried at FB… to me thats a big big difference.. if it isn’t to you, its no wonder you say so about Bush..
January 29th, 2009 at 11:34 am
BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Oher’s percieved intelligence is the problem he is facing, that and the other first-round lineman’s stock is on the rise.
Doesn’t matter to us, Oher is not the agile, quick zone-blocking type that Cable will want.
I am thinking Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Troy Kropog, and maybe Jason Watkins are the early round LT’s that can fit.
^^Yeah I think if they stay #7 then the pick will be between Monroe, Orakpo, and J.Smith IF Crabtree is not there. Raji and Maualuga are possibilities as well but as of now I don’t see it happening.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
He was not just tried at fullback, he played the position when they asked him to.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
No LMN, the reason Bush does not want to be labeled a FB this early in his career is money.
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Right. Bush already had a tough enough time getting drafted as high as he did, then hes redshirted for the first year of his NFL career and is 3rd on the depth chart. He wants to have a breakout year or two so he can get a fat contract, be it here or elsewhere.
We all would like to see him contribute in whatever capacity he can (including FB, if called upon), but realistically, homeboy is tryin to get paid.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Brian, are you trying to deny you gave your measurements on this blog?
January 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Jason Smith! no doubt about it, he’ll be our LT for 10 years, then move Henderson to RT..
If Al cant be convinced to dumb Kwame Harris, then move him to RG (carlisle are a FA)
LT: Jason Smith
LG: Robert Gallery
C: I have no idea, FA or draft…
RG: possible Harris
RT: Henderson
January 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I would be shocked if Al Davis chose a defensive player other than CB Malcolm Jenkins at #7 overall.
Most likely it’ll be OT or WR, because that helps Russell the most. Davis wants to score points more than anything
January 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Wow Sith just cant give it up. Verbally he gets clobbered yesterday then comes in with a different name. Big time loser
January 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
# Baron Von Davis Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
He was not just tried at fullback, he played the position when they asked him to.
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just keep digging..
2-3 snaps in one game,1-2 in another, does not make one a FB! period.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
a lot of you claim Bush shouldn’t play FB,then in the next breath talk about lining Dmac and Bush up in the same backfield.well,if we do line them both up at once Bush will be the FB.
LMN-you say we should cut Fargas.aren’t you one of the ones who always talk about character?along with Nnamdi,Fargas has shown more character than anyone one the team the last few years.granted,he isn’t as good as Bush or Dmac,but he is the type of player you want on your team.besides,if Dmac has shown anything so far,it’s that he can’t stay healthy for more than 2 or 3 games in a row.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I am a troll that sucks cokk.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Lefty..
I do talk about character, but that doesn’t cut it, you need some abilities.. something Fargas lacks.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
RaiderRockstar
Ya, if not jenkins (we all know Al likes his speed), its someone to help JR. I doubt its BJ or any other potential NT/DT.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:41 am
RaiderRockstar
Ya, if not jenkins (we all know Al likes his speed), its someone to help JR. I doubt its BJ or any other potential NT/DT.
Ha, left the fargas in there from before. Mod deleted a brilliant remark.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:42 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I would be shocked if Al Davis chose a defensive player other than CB Malcolm Jenkins at #7 overall.
Most likely it’ll be OT or WR, because that helps Russell the most. Davis wants to score points more than anything
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we all know if Al didnt have any around him he would draft 3 CB’s in the first 4 rounds, its just the order he is puzzled about =)
January 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Henderson isn’t a good road grading run blocker which is what you want at RT.he is better suited for LT-long arms,agile feet.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Beecher from Oz, after you claimed I was some fat out of shape hick. See it starts with your obsession of a guys physique
January 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I like Sith and got owned by him yesterday.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
a lot of you claim Bush shouldn’t play FB,then in the next breath talk about lining Dmac and Bush up in the same backfield.well,if we do line them both up at once Bush will be the FB.
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If that too was addressed towards me.. then I said double TE and Mcfadden OR Bush in the back field would be better than having Fargas in there…
thats OR.. OR OR.. not both!!
January 29th, 2009 at 11:46 am
than havng FArgas in there and Bush playing FB…
January 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
LMN-Fargas lacks ability?didn’t everyones hero R.Gannon call him the best player on the Raiders Off. last year(something i don’t agree with btw)?fargas should be kept but as the 3rd back.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
get used to it now because in april you will hear…………………..” with the 7th pick in the 2009 nfl draft, the oakland raiders select, Malcolm Jenkins, cornerback, Ohio State University” (Roger Goodell)
“Wow, i am really surprised at this pick. we all know al davis loves cornerbacks with great speed and ball skills but i would have thought the raiders, with all they have invested in jamarcus russell, would have taken Jeremy Maclin at this spot.” (Mel Kiper Jr.)
January 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
that wasn’t necessarily directed at you-hence the opening-a lot of you.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am
we all know if Al didnt have any around him he would draft 3 CB’s in the first 4 rounds
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I think we’ll take a OT, WR, CB & DL in the first 4 rounds (not sure what order). I’d like to see us draft a Center, but I think Davis will give Grove & Cable one more year together.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
One of the things none of you guys have mentioned is Fargas does NOT cough it up very much. Both Bush and McFadden for whatever reason have put the ball on the ground in their limited duty. You may not like Fargas, but he doesn’t overly turn it over.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
# lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
LMN-Fargas lacks ability?didn’t everyones hero R.Gannon call him the best player on the Raiders Off. last year(something i don’t agree with btw)?fargas should be kept but as the 3rd back.
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yeah i think he lacks general ability.. tons of heart..
what he does is seeking traffic, and then thinks his fiat will move the MACK truck.. seems like he have no understanding of physics.. furthermore his hands is like stone, its a cliché but true..
He does one thing well, he protects hte QB okay.. thats it.. and I cant fathom why so many here is in love withhe guy, I dotn know if its an USC thing or what..
But heart just doesnt cut it. Not IMO at least…
January 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Raji wont be our pick. Please shut the fugg up!
January 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
# lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
that wasn’t necessarily directed at you-hence the opening-a lot of you.
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well.
I answered =)
January 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
fargas has 7 td’s and 9 fumbles (4 lost) in his career. no thanks. rather have dmac and bush.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Other than pass catching, Fargas does not lack ability. He has good speed, he’s tough, he’s developed into a solid blocker, again, Adrian Peterson he is NOT. But he is not a bad running back by any stretch.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I would be shocked if Al Davis chose a defensive player other than CB Malcolm Jenkins at #7 overall.
Most likely it’ll be OT or WR, because that helps Russell the most. Davis wants to score points more than anything
^^ I agree to a certain extent. Only way he picks Jenkins is if it is a GUARANTEE that Nnamdi wants out.
Otherwise….Crabtree, Monroe or J.Smith….I have to see more tape on Smith though and see how it he looks at the combine and at his pro day. Before I annoint a small school player the #7 pick.
With Monroe….at least we know what we are getting.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
we don’t need to draft raji. raji is not a nt and that is what we need. raji is a ut and we have kelly as ut. ut is more of a pass rushing dt and kelly had 4.5 sacks last season which is what you would expect from a ut. get over the love affair with raji. ron brace would be a helluva lot better pick because he is a run stuffing nt. brace might be there in the 2nd.
January 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
don’t need to get a ot in the 1st either. you draft a ot in the 1st to be your lt and we already have a lt in henderson.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Kiffin is a fukkin puzzy.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Has Al Davis retired yet?
And, btw, I’ve changed my mind about Gruden. I think he would be a great fit here. Simeon Rice is bitching because Gruden cut him, when he was injured and useless? Uhm, would someone remind Rice what he does for a living? Also, Tampa’s cap situation just about sabotaged Gruden, and that was Mckay’s doing. Gruden never really had a chance in Tampa. He was hired to bring them a spark that Dungy, for whatever reason, was unable to give them. He delivered, right away. He did what he was hired to do. The guy’s a good coach. IMO, he’s the best candidate out there who might actually come here. If anyone could handle being on the receiving end of an Al Davis overhead projector conference, it’s him. He has a sense of humor. Al should hire Gruden. If Al sticks with Cable, we’re 4-12, again.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Farglass leaves yards on the field Oakglenn and lacks talent. cant deny that
January 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
lol funny
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
We’ve already covered his brother-in-law (from South Carolina) and Thompson (who fled Tuscaloosa for personal reasons). The fact he is claiming to have Auburn’s best recruiter is funny since Eddie Gran was unemployed after being let go. It wasn’t like Kiffin won a bidding war with Southern Cal and Florida for his services. And, wow, bragging about taking Mississippi State’s top recruiter is borderline comedy.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
♫ The Number Of The Beast ♫
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
everyone knows Bush and IF he is healthy Dmac are better than Fargas.but with Dmacs penchant for being hurt,it’s nice to have someone like Fargas to take his place.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
get used to it now because in april you will hear…………………..” with the 7th pick in the 2009 nfl draft, the oakland raiders select, Malcolm Jenkins, cornerback, Ohio State University” (Roger Goodell)
“Wow, i am really surprised at this pick. we all know al davis loves cornerbacks with great speed and ball skills but i would have thought the raiders, with all they have invested in jamarcus russell, would have taken Jeremy Maclin at this spot.” (Mel Kiper Jr
^^^
Yeah I will PUKE if that happens but it wouldn’t surprise me when it comes to Al Davis and his crazy thinking.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I agree to a certain extent. Only way he picks Jenkins is if it is a GUARANTEE that Nnamdi wants out.
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dark knight: we’ll find out pretty soon what Nnamdi’s intentions are. The tag must be applied by 2/19. That’s only 3 weeks away …
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
An you can’t deny I like men.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I kind of agree with Jeremy. DT is not our number one need, and Brace might be the better cheaper pick. Brinkley might shore up our run defense for not a lot of $$$.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
everyone knows Bush and IF he is healthy Dmac are better than Fargas.but with Dmacs penchant for being hurt,it’s nice to have someone like Fargas to take his place.
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mayb nice, but if we at some time want to be great, we need someone else than Fargas.. fargas is apart of the problem, in fact he is a symptom..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I’m counting on Jenkins being gone by the time the #7 pick comes around…..so the old man won’t be tempted into taking another freakin CB.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Here is a guy who coached at the Mecca of West Coast football — Southern Cal — and desperately tried, but couldn’t land, the Washington job recently. That program, which has gone 18-53 in the last six years, blew off Kiffin like a bad cold. To me, it seems with his 5-15 record he would have been a perfect fit in Seattle.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
NEW YORK (AP) Herm Edwards is moving from the sideline to the studio.
Fired as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs last Friday, Edwards joined ESPN as an analyst, the network announced Thursday. He will appear on several ESPN television and radio programs starting next month.
“I’m excited about the opportunity to join the ESPN team and offer my insight as a former player and head coach,” Edwards said in a statement. “I’m going to be truthful with my opinions on all the issues that take place on and off the field of play.”
Edwards, who worked briefly at ESPN last offseason as a guest analyst, was fired after the worst two-year span in Chiefs history. He went 15-33 in three years with the Chiefs after going 41-44, including three playoff appearances, with the New York Jets from 2001-05.
“Herm is well-liked and highly respected throughout the league, and his insights and opinions as a former coach will make a tremendous addition to our year-round NFL coverage,” ESPN executive vice president of production Norby Williamson said.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Farglass leaves yards on the field Oakglenn and lacks talent. cant deny that
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not only that but defenses aren’t worried about him. he is not a guy you have to gameplan for. with dmac and bush the d coordinator has to pay special attention to them. it is a helluva lot harder to gameplan for players that can line up all over the field and can run, catch, and sometimes even throw the ball. dmac and bush are threats to break one every time they get the ball. fargas is a threat to get 5 yards.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I loved the Kiffin article.
Tennessee’s Kiffin may not be ready for SEC
…said ol crazy Al may have just been on to something
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
No GM that tanks 6 seasons straight should still have a job. Al must go.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Orakpo rd 1;A center rd 2;kropog rd 3.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
# Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Farglass leaves yards on the field Oakglenn and lacks talent. cant deny that
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No doubt. Barry Sanders he is not. But a between the 20’s guy who can get some tough yardage and NOT turn it over, he is not bad.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
And this part of the article tops it off. This one is the funniest.
As for the question of whether he is ready for the SEC, let me direct you back to a game last September against San Diego. Instead of letting the first-half clock run out, Kiffin sent Sebastian Janikowski out to try a 76-yard field goal. Now Janikowski is a great kicker but anyone with a working brain knows you can return a short field goal. In case you don’t have a record book available, the longest field goal in NFL history (achieved twice) is 63 yards.
To say the least, the field goal fell short, and two days later Davis fired Kiffin
January 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
RaiderTay
Kiffin doesn’t make the VOLS the best team by being good friends with other coaches or their programs..
He need to get in their face..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
as bad as Herm Edwards was in KC and as much as we make fun of him he was 4-2 in 6 games against Art Shell, Lane Kiffin, Tom Cable and the Raiders in 3 seasons.
Isn’t that sad?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Only Tennessee athletic director Mike Hamilton thought enough to pick him off the waiver wire, offer him $2 million a year and an unlimited budget for his staff, and give him the keys to the kingdom.
And in the process, he did the unthinkable — he made Al Davis look sane.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Fargas is not the problem, he’s just a hard runner. The problem is those who can’t figure out how to get Bush & Mac involved
January 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
oakglenn,
mlb jasper brinkley would be a great pick up in 4th or 5th round and could start at mlb right away. that would free up kirk to move to olb where his skills, especially in pass coverage, are better suited.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Oakglenn Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
# Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Farglass leaves yards on the field Oakglenn and lacks talent. cant deny that
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No doubt. Barry Sanders he is not. But a between the 20’s guy who can get some tough yardage and NOT turn it over, he is not bad
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maybe so, but he turns the ball over when the runs are easy, so that does not even, even it out..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
NEW YORK (AP) Herm Edwards is moving from the sideline to the studio.
Fired as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs last Friday, Edwards joined ESPN as an analyst, the network announced Thursday. He will appear on several ESPN television and radio programs starting next month.
“I’m excited about the opportunity to join the ESPN team and offer my insight as a former player and head coach,” Edwards said in a statement. “I’m going to be truthful with my opinions on all the issues that take place on and off the field of play.”
Edwards, who worked briefly at ESPN last offseason as a guest analyst, was fired after the worst two-year span in Chiefs history. He went 15-33 in three years with the Chiefs after going 41-44, including three playoff appearances, with the New York Jets from 2001-05.
“Herm is well-liked and highly respected throughout the league, and his insights and opinions as a former coach will make a tremendous addition to our year-round NFL coverage,” ESPN executive vice president of production Norby Williamson said.
^^How many freakin football BS analysts to they freakin need over there at BSPN??
Give me a break!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Bush is a better quarterback than tailback.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Where is the “supposed” investigation of the “greivance” Kiffy boy filed against the Raiders? Is it possible the NFL told Kiffy boy he didn’t have a case, and to fuk off? I say yes.
And in the process, he did the unthinkable — he made Al Davis look sane.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
well put KK.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Darkknight-if they keep hiring new guys eventually they might get one worth a damn.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Fargas is not the problem, he’s just a hard runner. The problem is those who can’t figure out how to get Bush & Mac involved
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lol, no? he is the highest paid backup.. he needs 100 att per TD.. the love for mediocre players is what kills franchises..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
fargas gets a “hard” 2 yards on 3rd and 3.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
oakglenn,
mlb jasper brinkley would be a great pick up in 4th or 5th round and could start at mlb right away. that would free up kirk to move to olb where his skills, especially in pass coverage, are better suited.
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Sorry Jeremy, but you can’t possibly know that. How can anybody say a 4th or 5th rounder can come into the NFL & start right away. Particularly at MLB, a defensive play caller, and a position that requires good reading skills.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
This is one of the best articles I have ever read regarding Kiffin.
http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1233137723313770.xml&coll=3
Hillarious. I think my new sloagn is”And in the process, he did the unthinkable — he made Al Davis look sane.”
January 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Where is the “supposed” investigation of the “greivance” Kiffy boy filed against the Raiders? Is it possible the NFL told Kiffy boy he didn’t have a case, and to fuk off? I say yes.
And in the process, he did the unthinkable — he made Al Davis look sane.
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Oakglenn, it takes a helluva lot more to make the old geezer look sane, that train has left the station.. nice try..
I think we will hear about the grievance around April-MAy..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
If Monroe and maybe Crabtree is already of the board and nobody wants to trade, I hope Al thinks long and hard about taking Orakpo with that pick. He is the only player at a position of need who is worth that high of a pick.
Either Alex Mack or Jonathan Luigs should be major priorities for us, 2nd or 3rd round perhaps.
Nose tackles are few and far between in this draft, there is basically the two BC kids and Terrence Taylor.
There is just something about two guys who played right next to each other in college, being taken in the top rounds which doesn’t seem right to me. One or both of them is gonna be a bust, probably Brace. So we should set our sights on Terrence Taylor at some point, unless Al can get a DT in FA or via a trade.
Derrick Williams is the guy I see us getting at WR, if any. 2nd Round should do the trick.
There are plenty of zone-type tackles and gaurds in the later rounds, we should be picking up at least one of Jose Valdez, Seth Olsen, Clif Ramsey, Dace Richardson or Phil Trautwein.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
In Fargas defense, he has not had the best O-line or any QB who can stretch the field with legit receivers. He still has no vision, but for a team like the Steelers or Ravens, he could slam into the pile and get 6-7 yards and probably parlay that into a 1,200 yard season.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
fargas gets a “hard” 2 yards on 3rd and 3.
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Bwaahhahahahhaa, exactly!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
kk,
jasper brinkley was projected 1st round pick before injuring his knee in his jr. year. scouts always shy away from injuries. brinkley came back and immediately made plays again, especially vs the run. of course, there is no sure pick but it works from the 1st round all the way to undrafted free agents.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Fargas isn’t Emmitt,Barry,Bo,or Dickerson so you guys hate on him.however,he is a good NFL back.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Well if Morrison can’t play the SAM position, then Brinkley can play the SAM spot I’m sure.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
lefty,
fargas isn’t even harvey williams, thats why we hate on him.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Seems like there would be some redundancy with drafting Macklin who is a WR/Returner with Higgins having such a break out year.
With all the holes this team has we cant afford to have any redundancy.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Vegas-thats SteAlers not steelers.LOL
January 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
ok,I will agree kinda that gaining 1000 dosent mean sh!t anymore,as some have said.Fargas starts because he knows the play book and he is the epitome of what Big Al cherishes most;A COMMITMENT TO EXELLENCE.He sat the bench for 4 years and was ready when called upon.Is he a better running back than Bush or Dmac,no and no.Is he a better football player than Bush or Dmac,yes and yes,imo for now.Fargas was and still is a great pick by Al.And I’m sure that he helps Bush and Dmac all he can.He’s waaaay more valuable than the 2 or 3 yards that meet the eye.Brien I dis-agree,Fargas will be here in 09 because he’s earned it,and Big Al will honor his contract.Plus like Cable he WANTS 2B ere
January 29th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Crabtree may actually make some sense. I see him as more of a possesion receiver than Macklin.
We dont have a possession receiver unless Javon Walker finds his nuts over the offseason.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
We should trade Justin Fargas to the Rams in exchange for Trent Green.
they need a complement to Steven Jackson and we need an experienced QB to backup Jamarcus.
QB: Russell/Green/Walter
RB: McFadden/Bush/Rankin
looks much better, doesn’t it?
Steve Spagnuolo saw the G-Men use 3 backs in NY. No doubt he’ll want at least 2 in St. Louis …
January 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Why are you guys arguing over Fargas??? The guy is the Heart and Soul of the Raiders. There is no way he is going anywhere.
I dont care if he doesnt play a down all season he is the type of veteran leadership and hard working example you need on this team.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
i don’t think fargas goes anywhere this year. fargas just shouldn’t get the ball 20+ times per game, or 10+ times per game, or 5+ times per game. he should only be in to block or in case of injury. i would still rather see him traded because a 3rd string runningback isn’t worth a couple million bucks.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Jeremy Maclin would be a reach at #7 – like Ted Ginn Jr at #9 a few years ago. WAY too high
January 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I want to see the Bennett video.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
All the Holier than thou fans, who make such a big deal out of “Hard work”, “Character”, “Leadership” blah, blah, blah.
It doesn’t seem to be worth much in reality, judging from the comments you hear about Fargas, Morrison.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
We should trade Justin Fargas to the Rams in exchange for Trent Green.
they need a complement to Steven Jackson and we need an experienced QB to backup Jamarcus.
QB: Russell/Green/Walter
RB: McFadden/Bush/Rankin
looks much better, doesn’t it?
Steve Spagnuolo saw the G-Men use 3 backs in NY. No doubt he’ll want at least 2 in St. Louis …
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that is not a bad idea at all. especially if saunders gets hired as hc because green already has played in that offense and could really help jamarcus.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
i don’t think fargas goes anywhere this year. fargas just shouldn’t get the ball 20+ times per game, or 10+ times per game, or 5+ times per game. he should only be in to block or in case of injury. i would still rather see him traded because a 3rd string runningback isn’t worth a couple million bucks.
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Me neither, I hope we will trade him during he season, because soem team needs a player because of injuries.. he is a very expensive backup IMO too, and I do believe FA dropoffs will be better…
January 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
MaddenRaider
Thanks for the link to that Kiffin article. Looks like that he is a punk no matter who he works for.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
and 2 get a 1000 on that crap team we fielded that year is almost a miracle in itself
January 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
# RaiderTay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Why are you guys arguing over Fargas??? The guy is the Heart and Soul of the Raiders. There is no way he is going anywhere.
I dont care if he doesnt play a down all season he is the type of veteran leadership and hard working example you need on this team.
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I hope you dont mean that, this team needs every of its 53 spots..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Herm Edwards is another pretty good coach who was saddled with a terrible team and had to take the blame for front office mismanagement.
Sound familiar?
Hell,Ditka won a super bowl. You think it was mostly talent or do you think Buddy and Mike schemed their way to success with their intellectual superiority?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
If the Raiders hire Saunders, that’s probably a whole new Passing game, no? And Russell & Co start over?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
nobody is questioning fargas’ heart or work ethic but if nfl teams were built on heart alone, Rudy would have been a 1st round draft pick.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Cushing would be a great fit as a SAM also!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
how old is T.Green-50?LMN-we need him because of injuries.Dmac hasn’t shown he can stay healthy for 2 or 3 games in a row yet.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
and 2 get a 1000 on that crap team we fielded that year is almost a miracle in itself
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ehm NO… we were a top run team.. and other teams let us run down the field because they new we couldn´t make TD’s
January 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Oakglenn, what are you doing? Everyone knows it’s you.
Anyhow, here’s the real MR’s take on Kiffin. Al Davis was the one who said that Kiffin was better than Gruden when he hired him. And, Al has never retracted that. Al has only fired Kiffin for “cause”. So, my support for Kiffin is only based on the great things Al Davis has said about him. The only negative things Al has said about Kiffin concern his subordination. I don’t care about that. All I care about is rather or not Kiffin can coach. And according to Al Davis, he CAN coach. Al’s never retracted the good things he’s said about Kiffin’s coaching ability. I can only go with Al’s opinion, Oakglenn. Now, go ahead and respond, under MY name. Weirdo.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
LMN-we need him because of injuries.Dmac hasn’t shown he can stay healthy for 2 or 3 games in a row yet
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Que?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
and 2 get a 1000 on that crap team we fielded that year is almost a miracle in itself
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not really, remember that lamont jordan was near the top of the league in rushing before he got injured and when fargas was injured rhodes came in with back to back 100 yd games.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
and you guys all thought Joe Echamandiu(?) was the next Emmitt Smith.what team is he starring for now?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Lefty.
Regarding what? is this a guessing game or what?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Oakglenn
Thanks for the link to that Kiffin article. Looks like that he is a punk no matter who he works for.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I rather have Rankin than Fargas, any time..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
LMN-re post 717.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
and you guys all thought Joe Echamandiu(?) was the next Emmitt Smith.what team is he starring for now?
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the only team fargas would start for is the raiders. he wouldn’t be the featured ball carrier anywhere else.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
FARGAG IS THE HEART & SOUL OF THE RAIDER’S… POST-711 THIS WAS SUPPOSED 2 BE SOURCASTIC I HOPE..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Looks like ol’ Kiffy isn’t off to the best of starts. He better win some games, because if he blows off tradition like he did here, and throws up a 4-7, he might be one and done.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
that is not a bad idea at all. especially if saunders gets hired as hc because green already has played in that offense and could really help jamarcus.
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Jeremy: another option is Damon Huard. He’ll be a UFA. He knows the Al Saunders offense and has the experience to mentor Russell. I remember the Raiders were interested before he resigned with KC a few years back. They chose Huard over Green and found out that neither were starter worthy. Croyle either.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Maclin sucks. Hopefully Crabtree falls to 7, because he’s by far the best receiver in the draft.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
maybe he would start in denver but that is only because they had 10 rb’s on ir this year.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Raiderdogg, somebody is posting under my name and saying negative things about Kiffin. Probably Oakglenn, judging by the writing style. Just a heads up. You know me Raiderdogg, and know where I stand on most issues. I have no reason in the world to dislike Kiffin. He is a good coach. He wasn’t loyal to Al? Boo freakin’ hoo for Al. I don’t blame Kiffin. Why be loyal to an owner who has no clue how to build a team today? Kiffin knew that using a ball control offense was the only way to develop a winning identity for this team. Get the ball rolling. I’m glad he shunned Al’s foolish advice to rely on the quick strike. And, I’m pretty sure the grievance is still on. I think it would set a bad precedent if the league were to let Al get away with not paying his coaches. Al will just fire every coach for “cause”. They won’t let him get away with it, though. Goodell is too smart for that. Al’s going to kick down some bread to Kiffin. As well he should.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Oakglenn
Thanks for the link to that Kiffin article. Looks like that he is a punk no matter who he works for.
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I disagree… all that the reporter was saying, was old stuff, he was pissed Kiffin thought he had the best squad of coaches, if he said it any other way he would have been stupid. the reportwer just reported HIS OWN FEELINGS about kiffin.. he didnt report any newsworthy… Nawwww poor guy the reporter is pissed no Tennesians was on the squad..
it was a pathetic article, I can respect if the actually had something on Kiffin… and to bring up the 76yd kick, I still say why the hell not try? if you had a return covered, I say with seconds to go, I would do it again..
it was a very pathetic story, adding no news… plain feelings
January 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
#735
True he would not be a featured back anywhere else, but he would definately get carries on a lot of teams as a 2nd RB. Steelers would give him 8 carries on Sunday if they had him.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Jeremy-read-i am not saying Fargas should be the featured back.i’ve said over and over Bush and Dmac(if he is ever healthy) should be the featured ball carriers.Fargas should be kept for all the intangibles.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
LMN-re post 717.
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ahh, okay! well I would elevate Rankin, I see him running the same way as Fargas, only difference is Rankin seem to have some vision.. which Fargas never had..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
My source for all of the good things I’ve said about Kiffin:
Al Davis.
Al Davis said Kiffin was better than Gruden when he hired him. He’s never retracted that. Al only fired Kiffin for “cause”, not performance. So going by Al’s word, Kiffin is a good coach. Al says so.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
how old is T.Green-50?
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lefty: Trent Green is 38 years old
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Vegas-thats stealers not steelers!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
vegas,
therein lies the problem. we don’t give fargas only 7-8 carries. we give him 28 carries. he should be in to block and in case of injury only.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Actually, Crabtree’s the best player in the draft, so I know it’s not likely he will fall to 7. We need to move up and get him!!
DRAFT CRABTREE!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
MaddenRaider
I was a bit surprised to read your take on Kiffin, I just thought that maybe, now that he was gone, you had a different perspective. Makes sense that it wasn’t you. I am now 0 for 2, when it comes to responding to fake MaddenRaiders.
I had high hopes for Kiffin but, now that he is gone, I honestly don’t give 2 sh1ts about the guy.
It was an interesting article to read though, it seems he pisses people off wherever he goes. Maybe that will work for him, who knows.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Al Davis was about as spot-on with Kiffy’s talent as he was with Javon Walker and Kwame Harris.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
For crying out loud, JerryMac get the finger out and give us some news…
January 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Al Davis is 96. He and John McCain rode dinosaurs together.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Obama just picked the Steelers!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I’ll get it one of these days Lefty
January 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
we were a running team because we cant do anything else and our record was 4-12.Yes it was almost a miracle he got 1000 yards in 7 games and our sh!t record proves it
January 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
LOL. Raiderdogg, you had the right idea, though. You started addressing the fake me as Oakglenn, and that’s usually who it is. Rule of thumb, everyone. When you see someone posting as MaddenRaider saying things entirely out of character for me, just address him as Oakglenn.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Matt Millen would draft Crabtree for sure
January 29th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RRS-i was just being facetious.if he was a free agent fine,but i wouldn’t give up anything to get him.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
lefty,
intangibles aren’t worth a cap hit of $5,298,333 for 2009.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Wow, Vegas. That doesn’t say a lot about Al’s ability to pick coaches or acquire players, does it? Doesn’t sound like you believe in him.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
KK-as and old time Raider fan you should know its stealers not steelers.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
MaddenRaider
I was a bit surprised to read your take on Kiffin
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it was Oakglenn trolling as MR…
January 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Jeremy,i didn’t think his salary was that high.if it is then he is expendable and that is a better argument for letting him go than saying he sucks.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
MR,
Just pointing to the facts. Last 6 years, not very good at much, except pissing all of us off.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
LMN
see post #732
January 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
MR, How can you say Kiffin was a good coach? Did you see the Buffalo game?
Personality aside, his game management was dreadful.
Your hatered for Al does not make Kiffin a good coach.
That is what I don’t understand about you Al haters. Al screwed up badly by hiring Kiffin, but you guys give Al a free pass on that one. I don’t. Al hired the least qualified head coach in the history of the NFL.
If I wanted to bash Al, that would be a great place to start.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
we were a running team because we cant do anything else and our record was 4-12.Yes it was almost a miracle he got 1000 yards in 7 games and our sh!t record proves it
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Keep saying it doesnt make it true.. you grandpa could get a 1000, dont you remember Denver adding whatever RB, and they would get 1500… same deal… whats important is how many TD’s did we get from all that work.. Answer: almost none, 4td is whats important..
you can say from now and till you die that 1000yds is a miracle, but if your team is in top of the run stats, and he meanwhile just gets 4 TD, those 1000yds int worth anything..
January 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
lefty, he is due a roster bonus in a couple of months. i didn’t know it was that bad either until it was pointed out to me earlier. apparently his contract is front loaded.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 8:09 pm
MaddenRaider Regarding your post #746 Al wasnt the omly one that said Kiffin was a good coach.You said it to. Lets go back to your post on Jan 22nd 2007.The facts dont lie
There’s a lot of 30 year olds out there, but, let’s face it, that Gruden was one alpha male little f’r. He didn’t take s’t. And, I really believe that the same moxy is still required to coach the kinds of players that Al brings in. (then again, Kiffin’s been at USC, so that does sort of qualify him in this particular category)
Nonetheless, I can honestly say now that Al Davis has truly made a move to make this team better, for the first time since hiring Gruden. Way to go, ya old nut!
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Why do so many people on this blog claim their “opinions” as “fact”?
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
LMN
see post #732
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yeah okay, but then why adress Maddenraider in post 751? if you knew it was Oakglenn??
furthermore see post 742…
January 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
The problem with Fargas’ contract, it is tough to cut him this year because of the cap hit. But the contract is front-loaded, so next year the rationale would be that he is cheap so can’t cut him than either.
We are stuck, just let him live out his contract, teach the young guys some good work ethic and professionalism, and save some miles on our two young guys.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Marshall
Are you from Detroit? Why a wide receiver?
You really think we are going to be a pass first team?
How about we keep JR upright and give him some time to throw and maybe open some holes for Dmac by drafting an OT.
A WR will do as much good for us as it did for the Dolphins in 07 and the Lions in 08.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
# jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
lefty, he is due a roster bonus in a couple of months. i didn’t know it was that bad either until it was pointed out to me earlier. apparently his contract is front loaded.
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that means he is easier to trade down the road… where as most draft picks is backloaded, because their agents are afraid of their clients being traded before their rookie contract is done..
January 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
LMN
I addressed MaddenRaider the second time because I was responding to post #741. Try to keep up if you are gonna be a smart ass about stuff.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Lefty
The Immaculate Reception is one thing, but the “Steelers are about to win their 6th Super Bowl, Tops in the NFL and twice as many as the Raiders.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
see ya all…
take care, gotta go for an hour or so..
January 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
LMN
furthermore, think about what I said in post #772
January 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
but, if we can find someone to trade fargas to then we are off the hook because they get the contract along with the player. that would then free up a ton of cap space this year.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Why do so many people on this blog claim their “opinions” as “fact”?
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Dogg: because they think they are smarter than the other Raider fans out there. at least the ones they are trying to argue/debate with …
January 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
LMN
I addressed MaddenRaider the second time because I was responding to post #741. Try to keep up if you are gonna be a smart ass about stuff.
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okay, thats why I asked.. if I appeared as a smart ass it was unintentionally
January 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
LMN
ok then
January 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
A Back-Up QB ought to be very high on the Raiders list as well. If Russell goes down for a couple of games, we’re in big trouble.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
if we trade fargas, who should be a 3rd stringer here, for a late round pick or another backup we aren’t losing anything and are saving money.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
furthermore,dont the football players of the Raiders vote on their most valuable player and give them an award 4 that??? Fargas has been voted best Raider 2 years in a row.The players agree he is their most valuable player and I agree as a foot ball player(most say Al should stop drafting track stars or whatever and draft football players,so he did with Fargas)he is.So all you dissers of Fargas dont know the feelings and beliefs of the team you say you love.Pathetic
January 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
771, what’s your point? That commment of mine from 2 years ago does nothing to contradict my point now. There’s someone posting as me, and perhaps that’s who you’re confusing me with.
Kiffin sucks guy, or whatever your name is….
No doubt Kiffin was sabotaging Al this season. Remember, Kiffin was essentially fired a year ago. The media reported that Kiffin was stripped of all authority. Of course, the Raiders denied it, but it was true. He was. Kiffin was being set up to fail at that point and he just decided to kick down the house of cards. It doesn’t say a lot about his character, indeed. but I’m not concerned with Kiffin’s character. After all, our team is owned by Al Davis, who has the character of a pig. I’m only concerned with Kiffin’s ability to coach. He improved the team 100% in his first season, from 2 wins to 4 wins. That’s the same improvement Gruden brought in his first season, taking us from 4 wins to 8 wins. 4 wins isn’t a lot, but coming from a 2 win season, it is a 100% improvement. This team had improved on Kiffin’s watch, until Al ruined it by forcing him to keep Rob Ryan. That was the day Kiffin was fired. Everything that happened beyond that is Al’s fault for not just manning up and firing Kiffin. But of course, Al didn’t want to pay him so he had to set him up for cause. That took a while. We lost in Buffalo because Al Davis prioritized his little game with Kiffin over the success of the Raiders.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
A good WR can help pass-protection, obviously not as much as a top-tier tackle, but it can help. A D can’t cram the box with 8 (saw some teams at times with 9 in the box last year) if they are worried about being beating over the top. Also, D’s are more reluctant to blitz if they are worried about leaving a guy on the island, or are worried about a catch and run threat. Just food for thought if we do draft a WR with the 7th pick.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Why do so many people on this blog claim their “opinions” as “fact”?
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it is a fact that i have opinions…
well… it’s true…
live with it !!!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Rockstar
we all have opinions about the Raiders and most of us feel pretty strongly about them. It just kills me when people get all worked up and insist that their opinion is fact. People get so bent out of shape when you disagree with them.
Personally I know that most people don’t always agree with everything that I say and I thank God for that.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
-Dogg..
I haven’t mixed fact with opinions today.. if you think so, please point out… instead of insinuating…
FACT is Bush was TRIED as a FB in high school, it dint work out, thats why Bush knew he couldn’t be a successful FB fillout for us…
I said I rather see Rankin in instead of Fargas, because I FEEL Rankin has vision, something Fargas doesn’t have.. and that is an OPINION!!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
see ya all… I will respond later…
January 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Why do so many people on this blog claim their “opinions” as “fact”?
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it is a fact that i have opinions…
well… it’s true…
live with it !!!”
Damn it Pete how could you?! Please fall in line and agree with everything that I say.
The fact is that I usually agree with most of your opinions Pete.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
KK-good for them-i still hate them.and i’ll never forget or forgive that game.just me.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
KoolKell, Good point in post 783. I completely agree about the Raider’s needing to land a legitimate back up QB. QB is way too important to have all your eggs in one basket.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Trent Green or Damon Huard would be better backup QB’s than Tui. Especially with Al Saunders’ playbook
January 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Trades just don’t happen as easy as many think they do. I also think people are overrating the talent some of these players on the Raiders could bring in a trade. Also some other thoughts
1. Justin Fargas has limited value at the beginning of the year. He may have some limited value to an injury ravaged team towards the end of the year.
2. Michael Huff is a bonnafide bust and has no value. He would clear waivers if he was released.
3. Javon Walker is a bust amd would also clear waivers if released. Actually, the Broncos tried to trade hi and there were no takers.
4. Drew Carter is not reliable. 3rd knee injury and lets not forget he was the number 3/4 receiver on Carolina.
5. Arman Shields has as much of a chance to be a star as any 4th round pick does…no more, no less
6. Kirk Morrison is not the weakest link on this defense…not even close…no linebacker that gets over 100 tackles is the reason for a bad defense…angles and all….same goes for Gibril Wilson
7. Mario Henderson is as good, if not better than any prospect right now because he has played on the field and played well…no prospect, regardless of what the scouting report says has demonstrated anytihing on the field yet.
8. JLH, Schilens and Shields are as good a prospect as anyone in the draft with Crabtree being the only exception. JLH and Schilens are the only receiving “prospects” to play with Russell
9. Sands/Warren and Kelly don’t scare anyone
10. A right tackle is not drafted in the top half of the 1st round
11. Michael Bush and DMAC have much better upsides than Fargas and deserve to start
January 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Trent Green or Damon Huard would be better backup QB’s than Tui. Especially with Al Saunders’ playbook
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i agree, if saunders is the oc.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
LMN
Honestly I was just pointing you in that frame of thought. If it applies to you, excellent. If not, no big deal either.
You did think I was talking about something specifically so at least the statement caused you to review your perspective. That was my entire intention. Not just for you, but this entire blog.
Not insinuating anything at all. No hard feelings either.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Florida Pete Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Why do so many people on this blog claim their “opinions” as “fact”?
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it is a fact that i have opinions…
well… it’s true…
live with it !!!”
Damn it Pete how could you?! Please fall in line and agree with everything that I say.
The fact is that I usually agree with most of your opinions Pete
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and my opinion is that everyone should agree with me…
and that is a fact !!!
deal with that !!!
(lmao)
January 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
The Buccaneers announced the hiring of Jeff Jagodzinski as offensive coordinator today. He was unemployed for a few weeks after Boston College fired him for interviewing for the Jets’ head-coaching vacancy.
Jagodzinski has significant NFL experience. He was the Packers’ offensive coordinator in 2006 and was the tight ends coach in Green Bay from 1999 to 2003. He coached tight ends for the Falcons in 2004 and was promoted to offensive line coach in 2005.
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Tampa fired Gruden last week and they already have a top notch staff in place.
Raiders still have no one in key positions.
Gee, I wonder why? Let me think….
Oh yeah, Al Davis runs the Raiders. Nuff Said.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
i’m going home early…
talk to you guys later…
January 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Charlie
If we don’t get receiver like Crabtree that is an actual threat then Defenses will not respect the pass and concentrate on stopping the run.
I just have a feeling Al will go after Crabtree to give JR a weapon in the passing game.
Crabtree reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald, whereas Maclin reminds me more of Charles Rodgers.
Keep Crabtree a Raider!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I’m out for the day, everyone have a good day.
Maybe we will have a HC when I return. I won’t hold my breath
January 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
MR, 771 isn’t me.
Stop saying “rule of thumb.”
January 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
OC Jeff Jagodzinski & DC Jim Bates is considered a “top notch staff” ?
that equals in comparison to OC Al Saunders & DC John Marshall imo …
a better thing to say would be: They just fired Gruden and already have a staff in place! We been without a HC for 3 weeks longer and don’t have a HC, OC or DC!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Cables playbook and terminology need to ke kept and Saunders or Trestman can add their own tweaks to the play book, but no way should either Saunders or Trestman be allowed to come in and REVAMP the whole freakin playbook and terminology on Russell. It would cause the offense to regress because of the learning curve needed for the whole offense.
It would set the offense back and that is NOT good!
What is needed is better game planning and preparation, scheming, in game play calling, better red zone play calling and faster in game adjustments from the HC and both offensive and defensive coordinators.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
here is some food for thought, if the raiders don’t announce cable as hc or any other hirings, i.e. oc and dc, today then it will next week before anything happens because starting 2moro thru monday the nfl doesn’t want any teams (except the s.b. teams) to make any big announcements and take focus off the big game.
of course, al davis probably doesn’t care what the nfl wants.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
c-ya LMN =)
January 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Enough with kiffy already, home skillet is gone, get over it, he never was, or ever will be a Raider. Cable on the other hand, bleeds silver and black just like all of us in here. Yes a wide-out would be nice, but not in the first two rounds of this draft. OT, DT, in that order, trade or sign free agents to fill the reciever/mlb spots and presto, results, AFC west championship, playoffs.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
RRs-to some anyone hired by another team is a top notch candidate,while anyone we hire is a bottom of the barrel hire.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Darkknight
I agree, BUT, what’s the use in hiring a Saunders if not for his philosophy?
January 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
lefty,
we could hire whisenhunt as oc, tomlin as dc and dungy as hc and everyone would still say that we just hired a bunch of bums to fill positions.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
KK-2 minds working together is better than 1 mind working alone-in most cases that is.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Any WR needs time and space to operate.
Moss was here and he was ineffective.
Don’t blame Collins. Don’t blame Norv. Don’t blame Art or Walsh. Our offensive line sucked.
Moss could not over come that.
C Johnson in Detroit could not overcome that.
T Ginn in Miami could not overcome that.
Help build the line with a tackle in round one.
Our QB gets better.
Our running game improves.
Our existing WR have more time to run routes.
You can not build the offense starting with skill position guys. We have seen that the last two years in Oakland. Why do we want to make the same mistakes as Detroit? Let’s do something different.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Did I just read somewhere that MR. aka the Blog’s Pinata is still defending Kitten. I think I also read somewhere that LMN still thought that we would have been better off with Kitten still on board……LMAO. What a bunch of morons for Raider Fans.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I’ll buy into the whole Henderson is too small to play LT for a minute….
…then which tackle prospects would be the best fit for RT and what round do we select them in?
Anyone?
January 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
it will next week before anything happens
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Jeremy: i’m thinking Tuesday at the soonest
January 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
S&B, 798
u said it all, my friend.
With regards to trading current personell: Aso is the only player of any real value and will get us a #1 draft pick or a starter (WR/NT/DE?).
Bush may have limited value, but we have no business trading him, leaving only DMC and Fargas in the backfield.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Why does it matter what size Henderson is…Fact is I dont remember him giving up a sack against top tier Rushers this season.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Since it appears we are keeping the ZBS does it still mean that the RT has to be a road grader type of tackle, or could Mario handle RT duties if we went ahead and drafted Oher or Monroe?
Anyone?
January 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Dakota…I’d take Oher in a heart beat. He is very mobile for his size…plus I am jaded due to my SEC allegiace.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Dakota Says:
Correction RT!!!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I’ll buy into the whole Henderson is too small to play RT for a minute….
…then which tackle prospects would be the best fit for RT and what round do we select them in?
Anyone?
January 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Also,
1. Lane Kiffin is gone so its pointless to debate.
2. Also remember that Al Davis hired Lane Kiffin from obscurity and it was Al that sold Kiffin to the public.
3. Al Davis has taken full control after getting burned by Kiffin. He has decided to manage ALL of the assistant hires. Assume he will be more involved than ever before….which is his choice
4. Cable was the last resort hire and was the only “head coach” that could work under the parameters set by Davis
January 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
i wonder if cable’s contract will include back pay for working for free since his contract expired.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Henderson to RT
Oher or Monroe at LT
January 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Darkknight
I agree, BUT, what’s the use in hiring a Saunders if not for his philosophy?
^^Same thing what Knapp did last year….coordinate the offensive game plan by using the playbook and terminology that Cable uses. Saunders should still be able to work in his philosophy within the confines of Cables playbook and terminology.
Allowing Saunders to bring in his OVERINFLATED playbook and a whole new offensive terminology will cause the offense to regress. It takes at least a half a season for a team to learn a whole new playbook and terminology and to execute it efficiently. If not longer….
January 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Brien The Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
I want to see the Bennett video.
Brien The Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Bush is a better quarterback than tailback.
Both posts by a troll. Very nice
January 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Dakota,
I’m not going to pretend to know how to grade out tackles, ZBS or not. I will say we all saw the offense, and LT position, play the best it has in a few years the last few games of last year. He is also faily cheap as a LT, so I say give him a year. There will be plenty of Oher’s and Monroe’s in future drafts.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Charlie Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Henderson to RT
Oher or Monroe at LT
A guy who isnt a good run blocker plays RT? Glad you arent a GM
January 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Marv, 811
I agree with all but AFC championship appearance – seems a bit exaggerated. But we will make progress, and all you guys can say what u want about Cable, but Marv’s right, the dude bleeds silver and black and wants to work with Al Davis. Its so crazy it just might work. We don’t have any top tier candidates willing to work with us, anyhow.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
i don’t believe the team sees Henderson as a right tackle.if they did,why wasn’t he given a chance to displace Green,who everyone believes should be replaced.as far as who we could draft-Kropog-ot in the 2or 3 rd.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Aso is a Al Davis pick, never forget that, he ain’t goin anywhere. He is the best man to man shutdown corner in football, period end of story, Al loves him, drafted him, and he will pay him. Now trading Burgess while he still has relative attractive value may happen, don’t forget he is a liability on running plays as we all know.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Also,
1. Lane Kiffin is gone so its pointless to debate.
2. Also remember that Al Davis hired Lane Kiffin from obscurity and it was Al that sold Kiffin to the public.
3. Al Davis has taken full control after getting burned by Kiffin. He has decided to manage ALL of the assistant hires. Assume he will be more involved than ever before….which is his choice
4. Cable was the last resort hire and was the only “head coach” that could work under the parameters set by Davis
^^The old man is crazy…..
January 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
i wonder if cable’s contract will include back pay for working for free since his contract expired.
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knowing how cheap Al Davis is with coaches, i’d say probably not. He’s lucky he didn’t have to pay for the plane ticket to Mobile, the southern food and Raiders gear he sported there at the Senior Bowl. The work he’s doing at Raiders HQ won’t be considered “work”. Cable is doing this at his leisure.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
darkknight01 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Darkknight
I agree, BUT, what’s the use in hiring a Saunders if not for his philosophy?
^^Same thing what Knapp did last year….coordinate the offensive game plan by using the playbook and terminology that Cable uses. Saunders should still be able to work in his philosophy within the confines of Cables playbook and terminology.
Allowing Saunders to bring in his OVERINFLATED playbook and a whole new offensive terminology will cause the offense to regress. It takes at least a half a season for a team to learn a whole new playbook and terminology and to execute it efficiently. If not longer….
So what offense do you use? Kiffin and Knapp’s thing was scrapped already. Cable had vanilla idiot plays at times but had guts on others. What are we suppose to do? A new offense is what we have to take on. We have no choice
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Is it Cables playbook or Kiffins playbook? Cable was a more aggressive playcaller
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Dakota,
Mike Tepper, Cal 321 lbs
Jose Valdez, Arkansas 313 lbs
These are the two guys I like as RT’s in the draft.
but the kicker is that we already have James Marten on the roster, and he might be better than anybody we could draft in the late rounds.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
mario henderson is the LT. we aren’t going to draft a ot early in the 1st round and pay him all that money to play rt. just not happening. can get a good rt in later rounds. henderson is best at lt because he is purely a pass blocker. you don’t put someone who doesn’t excel in run blocking on the right side. if jamarcus was a lefty then maybe moving henderson to rt would be a good idea but jamarcus isn’t and henderson has his back.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
S&B
I doubt Cable was the last choice. I believe he was the only choice all along. Al wanted to save face by bringing in Gilbride to show that there are coaches still wanting to be here. He brought Moss in for the Rooney Rule.
Personally, I love the Cable choice for many reasons but the primary being that he can work with Al. Peoople should not feel bad for Cable. He got one of only 32 jobs of its kind in the world. There’s no shame in that. How long did Dungy have to endure to finally get a HC gig.
That is the reason why I ABSOLUTELY HATED KITTEN. He thinks he is entitled while Cable relish the opportunity. Something Kitten lovers never seem to understand.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Getting what they can in regards to draft picks for Burgess would be a smart move!
I’m sure some team would be willing to give up at least a 3rd rounder for Burgess.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
i would trade Derrick Burgess for a 3rd round draft pick faster than Jamarcus Russell would trade in his playbook for a bucket of KFC
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Burgess is still relatively cheap.we draft Orakpo 1st,work him in this year and when Burgess leaves next year we have his replacement in place.we get our OT in rds 2-4.ots are deep in this draft.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Hey post832, I said AFC (west) championship, and that is doable.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
i wonder if cable’s contract will include back pay for working for free since his contract expired.
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knowing how cheap Al Davis is with coaches, i’d say probably not. He’s lucky he didn’t have to pay for the plane ticket to Mobile, the southern food and Raiders gear he sported there at the Senior Bowl. The work he’s doing at Raiders HQ won’t be considered “work”. Cable is doing this at his leisure.
False right here. HE was assured he had a job and would be with the Raiders. Obviously his opinion is somewhat valued for him to be at the Senior Bowl. He isn’t working at his own leisure. Cable is a puppet no doubt but he isn’t doing all of this work to not have a job
January 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I said Henderson at RT and thats where he needs to play, end of story.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Dakota,
I’m not going to pretend to know how to grade out tackles, ZBS or not. I will say we all saw the offense, and LT position, play the best it has in a few years the last few games of last year. He is also faily cheap as a LT, so I say give him a year. There will be plenty of Oher’s and Monroe’s in future drafts.
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Henderson played very well at the end of the season, I agree, but we still need another tackle…Green has to go.
So, with that thought in mind can we draft one of the big 4 tackles at #7, let the pick and Henderson battle it out for LT during training camp and the first part of preseason, and let the loser play RT for the remainder of the preseason. Is Henderson big enough, or does it even matter in the ZBS how big he is at RT?
Two great tackles and then add a center we pick up in round two and our line is set for a looooong time.
I just can’t see us taking a WR or MLB at #7…the picks gotta be a tackle…we have so much money tied up in DTs already…I guess DE might be a possibility too.
Tackle or DE @#7….unless we trade Nnamdi, then Jenkins is the pick…
man, too many possibilities to even guess right now…can’t wait for the combine.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
mario henderson is the LT. we aren’t going to draft a ot early in the 1st round and pay him all that money to play rt. just not happening. can get a good rt in later rounds. henderson is best at lt because he is purely a pass blocker. you don’t put someone who doesn’t excel in run blocking on the right side. if jamarcus was a lefty then maybe moving henderson to rt would be a good idea but jamarcus isn’t and henderson has his back.
Please stop making sense. The other idiots may start learning
January 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Tom Cable COY in 2009. Start the campaing now. Figure if he finds a way to go 8-8, that might be the best coaching job in the league.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Burgess is still relatively cheap.we draft Orakpo 1st,work him in this year and when Burgess leaves next year we have his replacement in place.we get our OT in rds 2-4.ots are deep in this draft.
Both guys suck
January 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Great someone wants fargas at another postition, i want fargas on a arena league team thats where he belongs most of their rb go for 1 td a year too. No way any real Raider fan is excited about cable weve become like abused women who will take anything.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Two great tackles and then add a center we pick up in round two and our line is set for a looooong time.
I just can’t see us taking a WR or MLB at #7…the picks gotta be a tackle…we have so much money tied up in DTs already…I guess DE might be a possibility too.
Tackle or DE @#7….unless we trade Nnamdi, then Jenkins is the pick…
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well done Dakota. couldn’t have said it any better myself
January 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Hey Dakota, post818, you are spot on bro, Oher is the man for us, instant improvement where it is needed the most.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Brien, excellent point about putting a weak rush blocker on the right as well as paying all that money for a RT.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I stroke Briens shaft and massage his balls. He likes it.
Gargle gargle, gulp gulp, yummmm….
January 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
can we trade fargas to the cfl and dump his contract on them? then some people could get exactly what they want……marc trestman coaching justin fargas.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
So, with that thought in mind can we draft one of the big 4 tackles at #7, let the pick and Henderson battle it out for LT during training camp and the first part of preseason, and let the loser play RT for the remainder of the preseason. Is Henderson big enough, or does it even matter in the ZBS how big he is at RT?
Financially it doesnt make sense Dakota. Football wise it doesnt make sense. What if the guy we draft aint suited to play RT? We know Mario isnt. Mario being big enough isnt the issue, its the fact he isnt a good run blocker and that is what is required for a RT
January 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
mario henderson is the LT. we aren’t going to draft a ot early in the 1st round and pay him all that money to play rt. just not happening. can get a good rt in later rounds. henderson is best at lt because he is purely a pass blocker. you don’t put someone who doesn’t excel in run blocking on the right side. if jamarcus was a lefty then maybe moving henderson to rt would be a good idea but jamarcus isn’t and henderson has his back.
^^I agree….but if you can get someone like Monroe at #7, your telling me the old man shouldn’t pick him? When it’s clear the team still needs solid O-Line help?
Who would the old man pick ahead of Monroe if he is there that he would want to pay? Orakpo? Maybe…Crabtree? Of course, but I doubt he will be there….will he pay Maualuga more money than Morrison and Howard?
Picking a DT that high and handed him big money for being thE #7 pick is never a good idea IMO. Would you pick a WR like Maclin that high and pay him that kinda money, since he may or not be a starter and solid contributor, since he isn’t a Moss, Calvin Johnson, Fitz type who has it all?
With the #7 pick you want an instant contributor and starter, that will benefit Russell and DMC, and whole offense the most IMO.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Post 856…………awful. I suggest you get a life pronto
January 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Im all for a backup QB as long as:
1. Its a veteran we should spending the majority of the time developing Russell and we need someone who doesnt need a lot of reps.
2. The new person doesnt create any QB controversy. JaRuss is going to have some bad games next year and ou dont want to deal w/ that drama everytime he is not having an Elway performance. We have enough issues.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Tom Cable COY in 2009. Start the campaing now. Figure if he finds a way to go 8-8, that might be the best coaching job in the league.
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If the Raiders go 8-8 in Cable’s first year as official Head Coach, Raider fans everywhere will come out of the woodworks and support this team once again. Games in Oakland can be nasty for the other team when the stadium is full and the Raiders are competitive. Revive the black hole!!!!
8-8 might even win the division again
January 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I like Brien’s meat mustache.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
i would trade Derrick Burgess for a 3rd round draft pick faster than Jamarcus Russell would trade in his playbook for a bucket of KFC
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You only see comments like these when it’s a Black Player. Particularly when it’s your franchise QB.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Jeremy
840.
its tough to say. mario, i think, should be the guy because of his progress and pass blocking abilities and it wouldn’t make sense to move him to RT. Green is probably out and maybe we draft a RT in later round, sure.
But don’t underestimate the pressure Al may feel to get a franchise LT that fits his mold. They missed with Gallery, but hes been a relatively effective guard and not a complete waste. I wouldn’t put it past Al or the staff to stick Mario on the right side.
Of course Al being Al, will probably snag the best player available at #7. Wouldn’t surprise me at all for him to take Maclin or Jenkins.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
can we trade fargas to the cfl and dump his contract on them? then some people could get exactly what they want……marc trestman coaching justin fargas.
Best post so far in 2009
January 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
darkknight,
not saying that he would or wouldn’t be good. i’m just saying that you don’t pay that kind of money and spend that high of a draft pick on a ot if he’s not your lt and we already have a lt.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Brien I know you say Henderson can’t play RT, and others are backing you up so I will accept that opinion.
For now.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
This is how the chips will fall….
January 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
LAto TheBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Jeremy
840.
its tough to say. mario, i think, should be the guy because of his progress and pass blocking abilities and it wouldn’t make sense to move him to RT. Green is probably out and maybe we draft a RT in later round, sure.
But don’t underestimate the pressure Al may feel to get a franchise LT that fits his mold. They missed with Gallery, but hes been a relatively effective guard and not a complete waste. I wouldn’t put it past Al or the staff to stick Mario on the right side.
Of course Al being Al, will probably snag the best player available at #7. Wouldn’t surprise me at all for him to take Maclin or Jenkins.
Not a waste? Please for all that money for a barely above average guard who would never be good in any other scheme but ZBS? Come on
January 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
This is one of the best articles I have ever read regarding Kiffin.
http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/pfinebaum.ssf?/base/sports/1233137723313770.xml&coll=3
Hillarious. I think my new sloagn is”And in the process, he did the unthinkable — he made Al Davis look sane.”
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Good Link!
LMFAO
January 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
like i said in an earlier post, get ready for jenkins at #7.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Brien I know you say Henderson can’t play RT, and others are backing you up so I will accept that opinion.
For now.
I dont need backing. I’ve proved many times I dont need it. Especially since I’m generally right more than I’m wrong
January 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
It seems that most of the teams put there best run-blocker at RT, and the worst run-blocker and best pass-blocker at LT.
So why on earth did Rob Ryan have Richardson lined-up over the LT and Burgess over the RT? I’m confused
January 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
marv-44 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Hey post832, I said AFC (west) championship, and that is doable
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my bad. you’re right, it certainly would be doable but that really all depends on San Diego. We would at least have to go 1-1 with them. If we can finally beat SD again, I say it goes a long way to revive the Raider Nation.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Jenkins or Maclin will be the pick at 7 unless Al goes against conventional Al thinking
January 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
vegas,
because burgess wanted to play that side and bitched until it happened
January 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I agree, Vegas… I wanted to see Burgess play RE….
January 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
With so many holes on the team, I just can’t see going O-line the first two rounds. I mean, O-line at times this year was one of our strengths. WR and stopping the run was clearly the biggest holes on our squad, you have to address one of the two in the first two rounds (especially if we go LT #7).
January 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
It seems that most of the teams put there best run-blocker at RT, and the worst run-blocker and best pass-blocker at LT.
So why on earth did Rob Ryan have Richardson lined-up over the LT and Burgess over the RT? I’m confused
Because Burgess is a wimp and he is overrated
January 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
So Darkknighy01 who would that pick be iyo???
January 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Jeremy-can’t say i like it but it is a distinct possibility.
January 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
In a perfect world your RT would be a pure run-blocker, and your LT would be pure pass-blocker, but in the NFL, pressure comes from both sides, and you run where the holes are, so really NFL teams need tackles that can do both fairly well, generally the best of the two ends up on the left. Henderson could play RT if we drafted another LT, not a problem. That’s what Miller is there for, to help him run-block.
Demon Raider, I like your picks, I am on the same page, but unless your handle is Tommy Trojan, nobody on here can predict a Raiders draft.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
alisgod (F-Kitten Go Ole Miss) Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
S&B
I doubt Cable was the last choice. I believe he was the only choice all along. Al wanted to save face by bringing in Gilbride to show that there are coaches still wanting to be here. He brought Moss in for the Rooney Rule.
Personally, I love the Cable choice for many reasons but the primary being that he can work with Al. Peoople should not feel bad for Cable. He got one of only 32 jobs of its kind in the world. There’s no shame in that. How long did Dungy have to endure to finally get a HC gig.
That is the reason why I ABSOLUTELY HATED KITTEN. He thinks he is entitled while Cable relish the opportunity. Something Kitten lovers never seem to understand
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I like Cable to and supported the hire after the win over Tampa. As for Kiffin, I could care less anymore…he’s gone. One can debate whether to blame Davis or Kiffin but that is a pointless discussion. To me both were to blame.
As for Cable, I don’t like how Davis prolonged this hire this long and still hasn’t named him head coach. There is no rational reason other than he’s waiting for some other candidate to emerge.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
It seems that most of the teams put there best run-blocker at RT, and the worst run-blocker and best pass-blocker at LT.
So why on earth did Rob Ryan have Richardson lined-up over the LT and Burgess over the RT? I’m confused
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Burgess’ right nut hangs lower so it helps him turn the corner from the LDE position or some other lame ass excuse…
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
vegas,
because burgess wanted to play that side and bitched until it happened
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Your right and I don’t understand why he would want to be there. Doesn’t he know he can command more money as a “blind-side” pass rusher? Your best pass-rushers move around, but he usually anchors himself wide of the RT.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Burgess not good enough to play RDE thats why. He knows he doesnt have what it takes to beat a LT. He would rather go against the slow foot RT. But he is an idiot because RDE’s get paid more because they go against LT, who makes the most on the oline
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
that was another problem with our run d is having a rush end lined up over the rt. burgess is strictly a pass rusher and not an every down end. he gets man handled in run game.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Brien 870
Not a waste? Please for all that money for a barely above average guard who would never be good in any other scheme but ZBS? Come on
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I didn’t want Gallery that year, and I’d imagine not many of us did. All I’m saying is that a LT bust like that may have Al trying redouble his efforts to get a franchise LT (honestly I don’t see him doing it, but you just don’t know. I didn’t see Gallery, but I’m no guru).
I’m glad that at least we can stick him somewhere and get him to play. Most would credit Cable for that…
January 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
As for Cable, I don’t like how Davis prolonged this hire this long and still hasn’t named him head coach. There is no rational reason other than he’s waiting for some other candidate to emerge.
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Please don’t get my hopes up….
January 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Look guys, Al is crazy as hell and Cable is an idiot but so what. The players are the ones who win this game. Until we get players that know how to work well under the situation that is in Oakland, nothing will change. It really boils down to that
January 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
LAto TheBay Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Brien 870
Not a waste? Please for all that money for a barely above average guard who would never be good in any other scheme but ZBS? Come on
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I didn’t want Gallery that year, and I’d imagine not many of us did. All I’m saying is that a LT bust like that may have Al trying redouble his efforts to get a franchise LT (honestly I don’t see him doing it, but you just don’t know. I didn’t see Gallery, but I’m no guru).
I’m glad that at least we can stick him somewhere and get him to play. Most would credit Cable for that…
Fair enough
January 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Moving J-Rich (still wish he was with the Dubs) over to Burgess’ spot will make him more important stopping the run (he may be our most stout D-liner) and his long-arms and size could be used more to bat down passes, because most teams threw more often to their right. I am looking for another year of improvement from him. Not a bad 5th round pick, IMO.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
i don’t blame al for dragging cable along. he has cable working for FREE.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
darkknight,
not saying that he would or wouldn’t be good. i’m just saying that you don’t pay that kind of money and spend that high of a draft pick on a ot if he’s not your lt and we already have a lt.
^^^
Sure but Monroe would still make the O-Line way stronger by putting him at RT….and the O-Line needs to get stronger and have more depth.
When they drafted McQ in what the 3rd round I was pissed….he hasn’t done jack crap since then and Kevin Boothe was released and is a backup for the G-Men now. Freakin waste of a draft practically, espeically with the way Huff is turning out to be a nickel or CB at best.
I don’t trust Al Davis drafting a O-Line guy in round 3 or 4 and PRAY that he can start right away at RT. Why not just draft an almost sure thing….just as long as Monroe has long enough arms, a good slide (which Gallery didn’t) and can run block. Which from what it seems, Monroe can do all the above.
Then IF the old man is so hard up for a WR….theN he can look at fast strong guys like Kenny Britt, Hakim Nicks, or a small speedster type in Derrick Willams in Round 2.
The only WR that is worth taking with the #7 pick is Crabtree IMO.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
# Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Look guys, Al is crazy as hell and Cable is an idiot but so what. The players are the ones who win this game. Until we get players that know how to work well under the situation that is in Oakland, nothing will change. It really boils down to that
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Bullshyt. Football is a Organization & Coaching game.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Richardson by far is the better run stopper at de.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
S&B, Al is just weird. I accepted that a long long time ago. Regardless, I look forward to next year. I do think we got some decent talents now. Here’s to hoping for improvement on both lines.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
darkknight,
henderson was a 3rd rd pick and he dominated down the stretch.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Did Al milk this whole situation, putting the interim tag on Cable and having him be a “new hire”, to get the free extra two weeks of mini-camp? Seems like par for the course
January 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Same BS about Cable being the next HC, but they added this to the end of the story:
SBReport has also learned that Cable will have full autonomy in hiring his own coaches and surrounding himself with staffers of his choosing.
http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/1019.html
Full autonomy? hahahahahahah right.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
They’ve got a Cable segment coming up on ESPN’s Around the Horn, in a few.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
not only does al have his hc working for free but he is getting extra mini camp practices. say what you will about al but the dude is a smart business man.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
darkknight,
henderson was a 3rd rd pick and he dominated down the stretch
^^I wouldn’t say dominated but yeah he did well….but remember Henderson didn’t start right away or contribute right away either.
I think Monroe can contribute right away.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Regardless, if Crabtree is not there AT #7, then the old crazy man needs to try for THE love of god to TRADE DOWN!!
January 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
henderson didn’t give up a sack against some of the top de’s in the league. sounds like he dominated to me. we don’t know if mario could have contributed right away because kiffin only dogged him and never gave him a chance. then they spend 5 mil on harris and they don’t want to look like idiots and bury 5 mil on the bench. henderson obviously should have been there from day one.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
49ers get an extra mini-camp too, as do the Rams etc…SFW? Al gets what everyone else gets, that makes him smart?
January 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
# Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Look guys, Al is crazy as hell and Cable is an idiot but so what. The players are the ones who win this game. Until we get players that know how to work well under the situation that is in Oakland, nothing will change. It really boils down to that
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Bullshyt. Football is a Organization & Coaching game.
Kell Organizations do win titles I can agree but its like the pimp game, the hoes are the ones who make the enterprise flourish. Its the same thing here. You can have the greatest owner, gm and coach but if the players suck, what do you have?
January 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
yes, monroe could probably contribute right away but they aren’t going to spend that kind of money on someone to play rt when there are players in later rounds or through free agency that would be cheaper.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It is true that O-lineman, D-lineman and RB seem to have the easiest transition as rookies. But we aren’t gearing up for a title run next year, maybe AFC west title, so we have to do what is best for the long-term. If it is WR for Russell, than we do that. If one of these LT prospects is a future HOF, which I won’t pretend to know, than that’s the way we go.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
darkknight01 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
darkknight,
henderson was a 3rd rd pick and he dominated down the stretch
^^I wouldn’t say dominated but yeah he did well….but remember Henderson didn’t start right away or contribute right away either.
I think Monroe can contribute right away.
So not giving up sacks against marquee RDEs isnt dominant? I like to see your definition of it
January 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Demon Raider,
I don’t like the track record of defensive ends taken high in the first round. Of course there are the Mario Williams and Luis Castillo but most of the 1st and 2nd round picks have been underwhelming:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?year_1=1998&year_2=2008&tm=all&pos=DE&round_1=1&round_2=2&slot_1=1&slot_2=500&conference=any&show=all&lg=ANY&type=
1. Chris Long
2. Vernon Gholston
3. Derrick Harvey
4. Lawrence Jackson
5. Philip Merling
6. Gaines Adams (Hardly the difference maker)
7. Jamaal Anderson (Heading towards bust)
8. Adam Carriker
9. Jarvis Moss (Bronco Bust)
10. Anthony Spencer
11. Tamba Hali
January 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
#908
If the term “suck” was used as pun, than that was pretty clever.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
yeah. when you can get a guy with hc experience (12 games) and pay him nothing for a few weeks of work and then promote him to full time hc and get the extra mini camps for a coach that has already been there, i say that is pretty smart.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
The Amoeba Offense, A New Trend?
Everything about the Broncos will change on one side of the ball.
There will be a new system. There will be new terminology.
The Broncos’ defense transforming from a 4-3 system to a 3-4? Nope. Well, maybe, but more assuredly, the Broncos are about to rewrite their offensive playbook.
Say goodbye to the West Coast offense, versions of which Mike Shanahan directed for the past 14 years. New head coach Josh McDaniels is bringing the New England Patriots’ offense to Denver.
Study up, Jay Cutler.
“Our system is very unique,” McDaniels said in a phone interview Wednesday. “There are not a lot of branches off a tree that uses this system.”
The system? Watch the Patriots’ offensive plays develop from a stadium’s upper level
Denver Broncos and it looks like they’re running the basketball version of a fast-break, three-man weave. Receivers are bunched, receivers are spread, but receivers are constantly running patterns off each other.
The Boston media dubbed it the “Amoeba Offense” for its ability to adapt to its own personnel, or adjust to a defense. And, indeed, against the Broncos in Week 7, journeyman tailback Sammy Morris rushed for 138 yards. By halftime.
“The unique part about that is I know a lot of people associate what we did in New England with the passing game, but we were sixth in the league in rushing this year,” McDaniels said. “It’s the unknown or missing piece that not many people know about or talk about. It’s not the same each week. It won’t be the same. It doesn’t fall into a specific category like the West Coast.”
Former Broncos tight end Shannon Sharpe played seven seasons in Shanahan’s West Coast system and he’s become familiar with the Patriots’ offense through his work as an NFL analyst for CBS. The New England system hasn’t necessarily kept its tight ends busy catching passes — as Broncos tight ends Daniel Graham, a former Patriot, and Tony Scheffler surely have noted.
But Sharpe said the Broncos’ talented receiving duo
Post Poll – Snap Decision
Say goodbye to the Broncos’ West Coast offense. New Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is bringing the New England Patriots offense to Denver. What do you think?
West Coast is the best coast: Broncos were a great offense in ‘08, they should stick with what’s been working.
Bring on the Amoeba: The Patriots offense trounced Denver last season. Let’s try something new.
Go back to the future: Where’d the running game go? Bring back Dan Reeves’ ground-game offense.
How about the single wing? Go crazy and run the option offense. Hey, it works for Akron High.
Doesn’t matter how they score: The Broncos defense is what matters. Fix it or forget it.
of Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall will be well-suited for the New England-style offense.
“It shouldn’t be very difficult, because they have similar pieces,” Sharpe said. “I think Eddie Royal can be every bit as good as Wes Welker. I think Brandon Marshall — I don’t know if he can be as good as Randy Moss because Randy Moss is pretty special. But they’ve got two bookend tackles. You’ve got Jay Cutler, who’s a franchise quarterback. He turns the ball over a little too much right now for my fancy. You can get a running back.”
The New England system was a major reason Mike McCoy, and not Jeremy Bates, was selected to work directly with Cutler in 2009 as the Broncos’ new offensive coordinator. Speaking while still in shock over Shanahan’s firing, Cutler strongly urged the Broncos to keep Bates as his quarterbacks coach.
Was McDaniels’ discomfort with that quarterback-coach relationship the reason Bates was not retained?
“That didn’t have anything to do with it,” McDaniels said. “It was a situation where I felt like the best thing for the Broncos going forward was putting the staff together the way that I did. I’ll spend significant time with Jay. Our relationship will be very important.”
McCoy is familiar with New England’s offense, while Bates, who landed quite well as USC’s offensive coordinator, is embedded in the West Coast offense. McCoy had been quarterbacks coach of the Carolina Panthers, who have run New England’s offense since they hired Jeff Davidson as offensive coordinator in 2007. Davidson was a Patriots offensive assistant from 1997-2004.
It’s a system that helped Tom Brady, a former sixth-round draft pick, pass Peyton Manning as the NFL’s undisputed No. 1 quarterback in 2007. It’s a system that transformed Matt Cassel from a backup college quarterback to the NFL’s eighth-ranked passer in 2008.
If the offensive system is good enough for Brady and Cassel, it should be good enough for Cutler.
“That will all play out in time,” McDaniels said. “I’m not worried about that. I think everyone will love playing in this system. It’s been very, very successful and it takes good players to make it go. And it starts with Jay.”
January 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
What is certain is that we need one more OT, another OG and probably a Center. The only questions are:
1) Is Henderson good enough to play LT and can we focus on finding a RT?
2) Is McQuistan, Morris or Marten good enough to replace Carlisle or do we need to find another OG?
3) Is Grove staying and/or is Wade the answer or do we need to find another Center?
I think the answers are:
1) Don’t know. Henderson might be good enough but, do we risk it? I think we must take an OT – preferably one who could play LT or RT.
2) I doubt it. McQuistan is Gallery’s back-up. Morris is too small and Marten is more of an OT. We need a new OG – preferably someone bigger than Carlisle but, who can still play the ZBS.
3) Yes. Grove is probably gone and Wade is not a natural in the ZBS. We need a new Center.
Given that the FA cupboard looks bare – there are no great ZBS-suitable vets looking to move westward. We need to spend three draft picks on the Oline. Sorry, this isn’t sexy drafting, it is just necessary.
I therefore think we have to take one of the top OTs at No7. It would be madness to pass on Oher, Monroe, Andre Smith or Jason Smith. Even if they play RT, they will be of more long-term value than Orakpo or Curry or Maualuga or any WR. And, for anybody who wants to wait until Round 2, I think Britton, Beatty and Loadholt may have gone before No39.
We could wait until the 4th for a good ZBS-capable OG. Some good prospects, like Ray Feinga (BYU) and Anthony Parker (Tennessee), will still be on the Board and present good value.
This draft is one of the deepest for Centers for many years but, we may have to use a 3rd round pick to get a quality rookie. Someone like Antoine Caldwell (Alabama) or Eric Wood (Louisville) would do nicely.
So, that leaves our Board looking like:
Round 1: Eugene Monroe OT
Round 2:
Round 3: Antoine Caldwell C
Round 4: Ray Feinga OG
Round 6:
Round 7:
You can fill in the blanks.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
yes, monroe could probably contribute right away but they aren’t going to spend that kind of money on someone to play rt when there are players in later rounds or through free agency that would be cheaper.
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Al pays tens of millions of dollars to guys to play on other teams, or sit on their asses, why not pay a few million for a RT that can improve the team? I think a decent rookie tackle that may have to switch to RT and who would be much better than Green in all likelyhood would be well worth the money it would cost to sign the #7 pick.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It is true that O-lineman, D-lineman and RB seem to have the easiest transition as rookies. But we aren’t gearing up for a title run next year, maybe AFC west title, so we have to do what is best for the long-term. If it is WR for Russell, than we do that. If one of these LT prospects is a future HOF, which I won’t pretend to know, than that’s the way we go.
Gearing up for division title says gearing up for SB title IMO
January 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Kell Organizations do win titles I can agree but its like the pimp game, the hoes are the ones who make the enterprise flourish. Its the same thing here.
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STFU, silly boy.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
al is drafting jenkins, maclin, or crabtree (if available). do i think these are the best players for us at #7? nope. but what i think doesn’t matter to al davis. that is the way he is going and it would surprise me and probably the rest of the world if he does something different.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
#908
If the term “suck” was used as pun, than that was pretty clever.
You have lived in the 702 wat too long!!! LOL
January 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
So, that leaves our Board looking like:
Round 1: Eugene Monroe OT
Round 2:
Round 3: Antoine Caldwell C
Round 4: Ray Feinga OG
Round 6:
Round 7:
You can fill in the blanks.
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Round 2: Darrius Heyward-Bey
Round 6: Back-up QB or D-line
Round 7: Fastest guy left
January 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Hoes don’t work as teams, fool!
January 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
#908
If the term “suck” was used as pun, than that was pretty clever.
You have lived in the 702 way too long!!! LOL
January 29th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Hoes don’t work as teams, fool!
Hoes, workers, employees you know what I mean. O.G. spare me the technicalities you understood my point. You are just being an old bitter bastard again. You know I’m right about players are the ones who have to execute and make positive things happen. Al and coaches have a role but they dont play on the field
January 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Kell Organizations do win titles I can agree but its like the pimp game, the hoes are the ones who make the enterprise flourish. Its the same thing here.
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STFU, silly boy.
Kell, that was very homo of you. Silly boy? Oh my god
January 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
No way Eugene Monroe will be there at #7. He’ll either be #1 or #2 overall.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Brien
Football is the ultimate Team Game, which means Coaching. And you’re just a stupid know it all kid running off at the mouth.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Jenkins is a great CB prospect but, he only becomes a factor if we deal Asomugha for two 1st rounders – and we still take Britton or Beatty with the second 1st round pick.
Vegas, I agree that we should use our 2nd on a WR but, I think Hakeem Nicks, Juaquin Iglesias and Derrick Williams are big and better options that Heyward-Bey.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Scottish-ya,but isn’t Bey faster?
January 29th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
al is drafting jenkins, maclin, or crabtree (if available). do i think these are the best players for us at #7? nope. but what i think doesn’t matter to al davis. that is the way he is going and it would surprise me and probably the rest of the world if he does something different.
Al will not select Craptree. Watch him run a 4.5. Craptree doesnt have great athleticism as some of the other guys idiots on here wanna compare him to. Al is selecting Jenkins or Maclin because they are 4.3 guys. I would want to trade down or reach for Maualuga but Al wont do that ever.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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Real Manly.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
yeah brien, al hates trading down but a good mlb is what would help alot. move kirk outside.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Marshall, the order in which the top 4 OTs are taken is very fluid. Oher has redeemed himself with a good last day at the Senior Bowl and some smart judges are marking up Jason Smith. It is seriously possible that Monroe could be on the Board at No7.
The biggest issue is whether Stafford and Sanchez impress enough at the Combine to merit top 5 picks. If they do, then we should get a shot at one of the OTs, if they don’t we might have to default to BJ Raji or Laurinaitis. The top of this Board depends on whether the Lions and/or the Chiefs take a QB.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Not much different where you are at Brien
January 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
If we are to draft a CB, I think Al goes after Victor “Macho” Harris, an excellent bump n’ run coverage corner.
Thinking that Al will only draft Crabtree, Maclin or Jenkins with the #7 because that is his style is a misnomer, Al drafted Robert Gallery #2 overall not that long ago. If Al believes that the lines need to be upgraded (he has said as much) he WILL draft lineman.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Brien
Football is the ultimate Team Game, which means Coaching. And you’re just a stupid know it all kid running off at the mouth.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn old negro spiritual. Team full of players decide the games. A great coach with mediocre or crap players will not last long at all. Dispute that, well fail at doing so if you must
January 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
we will trade Nnamdi Asomugha for 1st & 2nd round draft picks. Then with 4 draft picks we’ll take a OT, WR, CB & DE drafting the best player available at the spot we select in one of those positions of need. Then in round 3 & 4 we’ll take the best avilable C & LB.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
careful about the move Morrison outside talk.last year everyone said huff would flourish when he was moved to FS.how’d that turn out?
January 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Brien, forget Maualuga. He is much better suited to 3:4 than 4:3 and the better analysts are questioning whether he is an every-down player. I think he is over-rated and not a great fit for us.
Laurinaitis is a genuine 4:3 MLB, solid against the run, competitive and a real leader. He might be a reach at No7 but, he wouldn’t let us down.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Not much different where you are at Brien
LOL well Oakland is different game when it comes to that. Vegas is a glam city. Town bizness is grimey ya dig. But I do see your point. Vegas is full of Oakland n-ggas pimpin
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
i would trade Derrick Burgess for a 3rd round draft pick faster than Jamarcus Russell would trade in his playbook for a bucket of KFC
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droolkell: only a moron like you would mistake this for a racist comment. I like fried chicken and I’m not black. If was a fat joke, not a black joke. Get it right old man
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Mario Henderson is not the biggest problem on this team. Far from it. So why use a 1st round pick on a position that is not the biggest need? To me the biggest problems on this team relate to the following facts:
31st ranked defense against the run
32nd ranked passing offense, including the leading receiver having only 22 receptions
Therefore the 1st round selection should go to shoring up the run or giving Russell a bonnafide target downfield.
Raiders SHOULD go Defensive Tackle or Wide Receiver with the 1st pick.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Brien, forget Maualuga. He is much better suited to 3:4 than 4:3 and the better analysts are questioning whether he is an every-down player. I think he is over-rated and not a great fit for us.
Laurinaitis is a genuine 4:3 MLB, solid against the run, competitive and a real leader. He might be a reach at No7 but, he wouldn’t let us down.
Possibly my friend about Rey. Oh What a Rush Jr wouldnt be bad but he is about the same size as Kirk. Both are an upgrade over Morrison tho
January 29th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Mario Henderson is not the biggest problem on this team. Far from it. So why use a 1st round pick on a position that is not the biggest need? To me the biggest problems on this team relate to the following facts:
31st ranked defense against the run
32nd ranked passing offense, including the leading receiver having only 22 receptions
Therefore the 1st round selection should go to shoring up the run or giving Russell a bonnafide target downfield.
Raiders SHOULD go Defensive Tackle or Wide Receiver with the 1st pick.
No DT fits for us at 7 since we need a NT. Raji isnt not Al’s type of player at 6′1. Get over it. Maclin will more than likely be looked at hard along with Jenkins
January 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I agree Lefty, and let me add:
Which player do you think our new DC will contact first about running this defense?? The starting MLB. No coach worth his salt wants to demote a team captain and on-field leader in his first season, just to shake things up. It’s not gonna happen, you guys should focus on either a starting SOLB to replace Brown, or a back-up MLB who can spell Morrison in obvious run situations.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Laurenitis wouldn’t let us down, but i doubt Al will take him at 7. Barring a draft day trade i don’t see him takin a LB in the 1st. Though undersized for Al, dudes a beast. He would be a steal in the 2nd round, but don’t get your hopes up. Look for Jenkins or a WR. Maaaaybe LT.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
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January 29th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
S&B, Raji is the fastest climber on most boards at the moment and he looks like being a Top 10 pick. The question is whether taking a DT at No7 is good value?
Ron Brace (Boston C) and Dorell Scott (Clemson) are other monster DTs and they may be around at the top of the 3rd. Much better value.
And size matters. I guess the Chiefs really regret taking the undersized Glenn Dorsey at No5 last year.
In terms of WR, Crabtree seems locked into Seattle and I don’t think Maclin or Harvin offer enough to go as high as No7.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Jenkins or Maclin will be the pick at 7 unless Al goes against conventional Al thinking
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I think you’re probably right Brien.
I’m thinking the Browns may take Jenkins at No. 5 though. He’s an Ohio State guy, the Browns need help big-time in the secondary and Mangini is a defensive-minded coach.
Here’s my mock draft:
Jaguars: Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia
1) Lions: Andre Smith, LT, Alabama
2) Rams: Michael Oher, LT, Ole Miss
3) Chiefs: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
4) Seahawks: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
5) Browns: Michael Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
6) Bengals: Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
7) Raiders: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
9) Packers: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
11) 49ers: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
11) Bills: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
12) Broncos: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
13) Redskins: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
14) Saints: Evrette Brown, DE, FSU
15) Lions (trade with Texans): Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
16) Chargers: Chris “Beanie” Wells, RB, Ohio State
17) Jets: Aaron Maybin, LB, Penn State
I guess that’s enough for now.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
That’s right, I think the QBs slied out of the top-9.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I think OTs will go in this order:
1 Eugene Monroe
2 Jason Smith
3 Andre Smith
4 Michael Oher
I highly doubt Detroit or KC go with a QB. The new GMs will not want to risk their reputations on questionable QBs.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
I haven’t seen much video on Heyward-Bey, maybe someone could enlighten us, but i don’t think the guy ever got more than 60 catches and never broke 1000. Despite his skills, it would seem if we go WR, we get a more experienced guy, as WRs usually take a few years to develop in this league anyway. Maclins only started for 2 seasons but was a workhorse and racked up ridiculous multipurpose yardage. Juaquin Iglesias got skills, but is he big enough at 6′0”to be our #1? crabtree obviosly has the numbers, but lets take him outta the equation, as it seems he goes to the seahawks.
whos our guy?
January 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
If Crabtree is gone, we should not “settle” for some other crappy WR with the #7 overall pick, especially with all the great lineman available in this draft. There are plenty of fast and tall WR’s in this draft in the later rounds, much better than last year. If we wait until at least the 4th we could probably get:
Brian Robiskie, Terry’s son Ohio St. product
Demetrius Byrd, Jam’s old teammate at LSU
Ramses Barden, 6′-6″ Cal Poly Grad! so high smarts
Aaron Kelly
Jaison Williams, 6′-5″ 240lbs 4.6secs
Austin Collie, BYU’s all-star WR
January 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Brien the Great Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
darkknight01 Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
jeremy Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
darkknight,
henderson was a 3rd rd pick and he dominated down the stretch
^^I wouldn’t say dominated but yeah he did well….but remember Henderson didn’t start right away or contribute right away either.
I think Monroe can contribute right away.
So not giving up sacks against marquee RDEs isnt dominant? I like to see your definition of it
^^I think he would be considered “dominant”, when starts becoming a better run blocker and when he does that over the course 6 games to a whole year compared to 4 games.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Hire Jim Fassel/Chris in NY Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
That’s right, I think the QBs slied out of the top-9.
^^They should slide out of teh top nine IMO…Stafford and Sanchez do not have big upside IMO….and but one of those two will most likely take a QB.
They are almost forced to.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
BART Bridge Brigade Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
If Crabtree is gone, we should not “settle” for some other crappy WR with the #7 overall pick, especially with all the great lineman available in this draft. There are plenty of fast and tall WR’s in this draft in the later rounds, much better than last year. If we wait until at least the 4th we could probably get:
Brian Robiskie, Terry’s son Ohio St. product
Demetrius Byrd, Jam’s old teammate at LSU
Ramses Barden, 6′-6″ Cal Poly Grad! so high smarts
Aaron Kelly
Jaison Williams, 6′-5″ 240lbs 4.6secs
Austin Collie, BYU’s all-star WR
^^Thats what I’m saying also! Picking Maclin at #7 is not value IMO, because their is not that much separation between him and some of these other WR’s that can be picked in round 2 and later IMO.
Patrick Turner should be thrown into your group up there as well. He is 6′4 220 and he runs good routes and has good hands and hasn’t even played his best footbal yet.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Scottish, I disagree with your thinking of drafting 3 OL and that there are no suitable FA OL this year…. I beg to differ. I am pretty high on OL’s Marvel Smith from Pit, Mark Tauscher from GB, and Khalif Barnes from JAX, Mike Goff SDand Stacy Andrews from CIN…. This draft should be mainly for improving the defense….
January 29th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
1- DE Brian Orakpo, Texas
With this pick, we wouldn’t need to re-sign Derrick Burgess. Unless of course Burgess plays great cuz it’s a contract year. But I am solid on Trevor Scott too.
2- DT Evander “Ziggy” Hood, Missouri
Very good DT. I think that he could be a Pro Bowl DT within a few years.
3- C Jonathon Luigs, Arkansas
He is a very good C and he has the ability to even be a first year starter.
4- MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
He’ll be the Michael bush o 2009. A projected 1st round talent dropping all the way into the 4th due to injury. But he will be a very good MLB. Allow Oakland to Morrison to his more natural OLB position.
5- No Pick :’(
6- TE Bear Pascoe, Fresno State
Not the fastest TE, but neither was Zach Miller when we drafted him. Bear has great hands and size at 6′4 258lbs. Better than Madsen, IMO. And he is a very good blocking TE as well.
7- OT Eric Vanden Heuvel, Wisconsin
Massive size, 6′7 320+ lbs. Could develop into a complimentary RT to Hendersons LT.
Now this is a Real Man’s draft…
January 29th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I (really) like your draft demon, but i think Al uses the first 2 picks to assist JR, unless its Jenkins. Than its 2 of the first 3 used to help JR.
January 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Demon Raider Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Scottish, I disagree with your thinking of drafting 3 OL and that there are no suitable FA OL this year…. I beg to differ. I am pretty high on OL’s Marvel Smith from Pit, Mark Tauscher from GB, and Khalif Barnes from JAX, Mike Goff SDand Stacy Andrews from CIN…. This draft should be mainly for improving the defense….
^^Wanting solid FA O-Linmen and getting those FA O-Linemen is a whole different story. Especially when it comes to the crazy old man.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
# FIREKIFFIN Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
MR, 771 isn’t me.
Stop saying “rule of thumb.”
# La Milicia Negra Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
MaddenRaider
I was a bit surprised to read your take on Kiffin
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it was Oakglenn trolling as MR…
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No, that was NOT me trolling as MR. Looks like the trolls are back here in earnest. Best way to avoid them is not call each other out, and concentrate on football related takes.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
# S&B – Nation Collective Says:
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Mario Henderson is not the biggest problem on this team. Far from it. So why use a 1st round pick on a position that is not the biggest need? To me the biggest problems on this team relate to the following facts:
31st ranked defense against the run
32nd ranked passing offense, including the leading receiver having only 22 receptions
Therefore the 1st round selection should go to shoring up the run or giving Russell a bonnafide target downfield.
Raiders SHOULD go Defensive Tackle or Wide Receiver with the 1st pick.
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Now, this is an interesting observation. We had the 32nd ranked pass offense in the league. Dead Last. As a matter of fact there were probably half a dozen college programs that could have done a better job passing in the league than we did. There was one crazy stat, and don’t quote on this but we didn’t convert a 3rd and 10 or longer in like 3 months!! That’s ridiculous. So, what exactly does that mean??
What that means is you most likely are going to have a bunch of 3 and outs, which we did, and our defense is going right back out onto the field. One corollary in all of this no one seems to talk about is our pass defense was not that bad. In fact it was not that bad at all. So, knowing we had a decent pass defense, teams were going to smash the rock at us, which is going to skew our run defense statistics. We had this same exact discussion last year. In reality our run defense was not the worst in the league. Denver, KC and Detroit were terrible run defending teams, much worst than us. The Raiders felt,and rightly so, the best way to improve the defense, was to improve the offense. Particularly the passing offense. Which is why they drafted Jamarcus, Zack, Mario, and JLH, with four of the first five picks last year, and McFadden and Shields last year.
What do you need to have the kill kill passing offense?? Bona fide killer Q. Got one check. Kill protection, especially on the Q’s blind side. Hold on right there. We have a problem. Next?? Excellent targets. Gotta Fix the protection issue before you do anything else.
January 29th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Does Cable want to coach the Tard that is JaMarcus?
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