Wilson latest to go from ‘08 spending spree
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders search for a strong safety continues.
A little more than a year after winning a championship with the New York Giants and cashing in with a lucrative free agent contract with the Raiders, Gibril Wilson is looking for a job.
Wilson, along with wide receiver Ronald Curry and defensive end Kalimba Edwards, were released Friday as the Raiders began to clear the books for the signings of Nnamdi Asomugha, Shane Lechler and the still-unnannounced signing of Chris Johnson.
The Raiders must be at $123 million when free agency begins Feb. 27, and were reportedly $8 million under before the signings of Asomugha, Lechler and Johnson.
A team official confirmed the moves, which were listed as transactions on Raiders.com, with no comment.
In all, the cuts cleared $6.2 million in salary cap space.
Wilson was due a $2.5 million salary and had a pending roster bonus of $4.5 million. With a salary cap figure of $8.4 million and $7 million in pro-rated bonus money from his original signing bonus of $8.4 million, it the release cleared $1.4 million in cap space but will mean $7 million in dead money under the cap.
Curry, due $3.5 million in salary, had a $4.1 cap figure and $1.8 million of pro-rated bonus money for a $2.3 million savings.
Edwards, with a cap figure just under $3.2 million with $697,500 in bonus pro-ration, clears another $2.5 million from under the cap.
The Wilson dump is the latest black mark on last year’s offseason spending spree, which included huge deals with Tommy Kelly, trade acquisition DeAngelo Hall and wide receiver Javon Walker.
Wilson finished the season with 129 tackles, second on the team to Kirk Morrison, withfour passes defensed, two interceptions and 1.5 sacks.
Despite the numbers, he wasn’t nearly the in-the-box force the Raiders had hoped for when they signed him early in free agency.
Wilson, during the first quarter of the season, called playing for the Raiders a “soap opera” as the Lane Kiffin-Al Davis feud dominated the news. It’s conceivable the Raiders offered Wilson a chance to stay at reduced rate, much as they did LaMont Jordan in 2007.
Curry’s release comes as no surprise, and in fact he was told days ago a release would be forthcoming.
Edwards started 11 games for the Raiders after arriving as a free agent from the Detroit Lions. He finished with five sacks, but had none in the last eight games, missing the last two because of injury.
For now, tackle Kwame Harris, another 2007 acquisition, remains on the roster. Should the Raiders cut Harris, it would represent an $7.2 million savings against the salary cap.
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February 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
get rid of turd too!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Al Davis still sucks.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
How is Terdell Sands, Gerard Warren and Tommy Kelly still on the roster. These guys are horrible at what they do and need to be cut outright. Sands and Warren will generate cap savings too.
So now the Raiders have another hole at strong safety.
This is being done to get Malcolm Jennings! I hope against all hope that the Browns draft Jennings 1st!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Drop the turd like a bad hamburger from McDonalds, smell it for a minute, fan the door so it resinates throughout the building, don’t wipe, flush, and don’t wash your hands. Bye bye Turd with a bit of Sands…..
February 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
If Al Davis had dumped that money from a helicopter over East Oakland, it would have been put to much better use.
But, we move forward. Kwamie Harris next!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Paul, a lot of these players would have been fine if we had a system for them to grow in. Al drafts guys that are fine athletes and have some football potential, but in his leather helmet system they never get a chance to grow. Then dumb fans like you get all excited when Al cuts them, as if Al’s doing it to make the team better. It’s called SCAPEGOATING, genius.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I’m glad Al’s finally making the right moves. Anyhow, I’ve got a client. Gotta run. Ahh, who am I kidding? I work part time at Safeway, and pretty much spend the rest of my time on this blog.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
This hate campaign on my good buddy terdell sands needs to stop. Look at it: you ran me out of town and the D got worse, run terdell out, and you’ll have the worst D in the league. It was all Rob’s fault!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Look, everyone, this blog is under attack by trolls right now. Ignore them, and I will handle them. Talk football. I’m keeping contact with the mods right now and we’re working on a way to get rid of these trolls, for good! So just talk football, ignore the trolls, and I’ll handle it. If any of you talk to the trolls, I’ll have you banned, too.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Repost
Rooks
1. Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
2. Emanuel Cook, South Carolina
3. Patrick Chung, Oregon
4. William Moore, Missouri
5. David Bruton, Notre Dame
6. Kevin Ellison, USC
7. Michael Hamlin, Clemson
8. Nic Harris, Oklahoma
9. Clarence “Chip” Vaughn
10. Stephen Hodge, TCU
11. Derek Pegues, Mississippi
12. Otis Wiley, Michigan State
Vets – FA
Will Allen S UFA 6-1 200 5 Buccaneers
Rashad Baker S UFA 5-10 200 5 Raiders
Yeremiah Bell S UFA 6-0 205 5 Dolphins
Atari Bigby S RFA 5-11 213 3 Packers
Michael Boulware S UFA 6-3 220 5 Vikings
C.C. Brown S UFA 6-0 208 4 Texans
Mike Brown S UFA 5-10 207 9 Bears
Josh Bullocks S UFA 6-1 207 4 Saints
John Busing S RFA 6-2 221 3 Bengals
Sean Considine S UFA 6-0 212 4 Eagles
Chris Crocker S UFA 5-11 200 6 Bengals
Keith Davis S UFA 5-11 207 6 Cowboys
Brian Dawkins S UFA 6-0 210 13 Eagles
Reed Doughty S RFA 6-1 202 3 Redskins
Abram Elam S RFA 6-0 207 3 NY Jets
Nick Ferguson S UFA 5-11 201 9 Texans
Jamaal Fudge S RFA 5-9 194 3 Falcons
Vincent Fuller S UFA 6-1 190 4 Titans
Matt Giordano S UFA 5-11 200 4 Colts
Mike Green S UFA 6-0 200 9 Redskins
Rodney Harrison S UFA 6-1 220 15 Patriots
Renaldo Hill S UFA 5-11 205 8 Dolphins
Dawan Landry S RFA 6-0 220 3 Ravens
Jim Leonhard S UFA 5-8 186 4 Ravens
Brandon McGowan S UFA 5-11 207 4 Bears
Jon McGraw S UFA 6-3 208 7 Chiefs
Lawyer Milloy S UFA 6-0 216 13 Falcons
Jarrad Page S RFA 6-0 225 3 Chiefs
Jermaine Phillips S UFA 6-2 220 7 Buccaneers
Pierson Prioleau S UFA 5-11 188 10 Jaguars
Nate Salley S RFA 6-1 216 3 Panthers
James Sanders S UFA 5-10 210 4 Patriots
Gerald Sensabaugh S UFA 6-0 204 4 Jaguars
Darren Sharper S UFA 6-2 210 12 Vikings
Tank Williams S UFA 6-2 223 7 Patriots
George Wilson S RFA 6-0 212 3 Bills
February 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Oakglenn Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
The team believes that with the emergence of Rashad Baker and Trev Scott, the two released players weren’t needed, and they probably aren’t needed.
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Hope you are right. I really want the Raiders to focus their 1st day draft picks on fixing D-Line and O-Line. Not the secondary
February 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Surprised about Edwards. I though he was a good third end to have around. And I liked Wilson. But oh well, the wheel turns. Must drop Harris next….
February 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I think this sign-em & cut-em strategy by old AL will revolutionize the NFL! Think about it, its genius, you tie your hands up so you can’t spend anymore, yet in reality you don’t spend! Al is gonna make big bucks this year…Genius, just genius
February 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Anyone else want to get banned??????? Huh??????? Huh??????????????????????????
That’s what I thought. Now, back to football. I like the moves Al is making. Gibril Wilson was awful in man coverage. When playing on the weak side, he tended to favor the slot back who was lined up at a 30 degree angle and this confusion in coverage caused a gaping hole in the flat which led to opponents mixing up a lot of xyz scat formations on us. Anyone who knows football knows this. But you guys would rather bash Al. Just blame Al.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
You’re dead on right, Stu! I won’t get you banned.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
You’d figure they’d cut players who are no good.
Gibril didn’t fit as well in that system, but they didn’t play him in the box enough.
Oh, well. Lets see if this makes sense come August.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Sign-em & Cut-em. This man gets it! Why didn´t Bob Craft think of it before?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
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Anyways.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
If you’re the CEO of a company and blow through that much money on bad investments you’re out of a job…period
February 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Im pissed!! We cut a guy that led a superbowl team in tackles. The guy was a leader and brought the wood. He hid the fact that we only had 2 LBs and a crappy DL.
Cable claims that he wants to bring in quality guys, but they cut Wilson and is trying to sign Jerry Porter. What a load of BS….UNBELIEVABLE!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Stu, thank you for recognizing Al’s genius. Al is a genius. People don’t notice it because they aren’t geniuses.
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Thanks, Oak. This blog is virtually unreadable sometimes.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
What a moron to use stuey schweigert as a moniker..probably the worst free safety in football..how are we to read your post with such a dumb name..what a great name,genius!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hostile Raider Fan, you obviously don’t know anything about football. Come back when you do.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I’m not trying to start anything, that’s a lot of wasted money. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE FIRED!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Anybody see the combine? When are the DB’s running the 40?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Edward Teach, thank you for thanking me. You will not be banned, for that. The rest of you are in hot water. All of your mothers are whores! I blog!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I pull chicks.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I bite boners!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Cable claims that he wants to bring in quality guys, but they cut Wilson and is trying to sign Jerry Porter. What a load of BS….UNBELIEVABLE!!!
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This is the cosmic wheel balancing out all the unbridled optimism of yesterday.
F*ck it, its still sh:tty.
Theres a better player available for cheaper to fit the system, I’m sure.
I don’t like that we’re cutting a proven guy here and creating yet another area of need, but I trust that they’re looking to solve it somewhere.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
BTW that Oakglenn posting here is a troll.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Test.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Do we need the best pass coverage SS when we have these so called “lockdown” corners.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Cable claims that he wants to bring in quality guys, but they cut Wilson and is trying to sign Jerry Porter. What a load of BS….UNBELIEVABLE!!!
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This is the cosmic wheel balancing out all the unbridled optimism of yesterday.
F*ck it, its still sh:tty.
Theres a better player available for cheaper to fit the system, I’m sure.
I don’t like that we’re cutting a proven guy here and creating yet another area of need, but I trust that they’re looking to solve it somewhere. Now all we need is for Al to die a fast, painful death, and we’re back in the swing of things.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Stuey can you count to 40?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Now he’s trolling me, too. Oakglenn, you’re a loser.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Not really LAtothe Bay. We haven’t seen Porter around here, and Wilson really did underperform. There were times he seemed to mail it in. And he was the ONE GUY who was paid to come here and NOT mail it in.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Oh, your the REAL TJ. Sorry, won’t bother you again.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
TJ, norco bob, can you please stay on topic? I’m in contact with the mods and we’re getting people banned. Plus, you don’t want to be here when BHP gets here. He’s got it in for you, big time.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Has anybody seen Brien lately?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I don’t like that we’re cutting a proven guy here and creating yet another area of need, but I trust that they’re looking to solve it somewhere. Now all we need is for Al to die a fast, painful death, and we’re back in the swing of things.
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Except that we’ve never had success outside of Al Davis tenure.
They don’t cut Wilson just to go scrambling. They’re looking to pick up someone, maybe someone specific.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
LatoTheBay, why do you care so much about Porter? Do you talk about any other players?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Oakglenn, you know as much about football as Koolkell, which is nothing little girl.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I thought I was nice last night telling BHP he was banned from KNBR, how is that mean?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
The REAL Brien or one of the fake ones?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
LAto TheBay Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Now he’s trolling me, too. Oakglenn, you’re a loser.
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Oak, someones trying to f*ck with ya.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Why, Bob, are you and Brien going to have sex?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I’m not trying to start anything, that’s a lot of wasted money. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD BE FIRED
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I agree kk! However, don’t you think Obama should be fired for giving out more welfare than Al can imagine, to a bunch of failed companies and people???
Please, please, answer that!!! shhhh
February 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I wouldn’t mind the Raiders drafting Malcolm Jenkins, but not to play Safety
February 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Keep it up, Bob. Because I’m getting people banned from this blog. I’ve had enough of you trolls. I’m in contact with the mods. And, you couldn’t hold BHP’s jock strap.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Porter is like a cheap suit, looks good on losers..I have some pills and wine,any takers?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
What’s up, Oakglenn. To be honest, I wanted to keep Wilson. He was solid. I think Al’s losing it. But I’m still a fan. I’ll probably drop my season tickets after this season, though. I think we’re going to suck.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Malcolm Jenkins would look good in Silver and Black. So would Andre Smith the LT from Alabama
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Wilson being axed means that Tyvon Branch will move to the SS spot and probably Huff to the WS . Just a guess but I think the youth movement is in full effect.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Jockstrap..gag,gag,puke..lickety split good
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
No, we can pick up a SS in the 3rd, but why create another area of need without a strategy?
(Unless of course Al Davis is crazy and Cable is a puppet, yada, yada, yada to avoid fodder for the trolls).
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
MMMMMMM….JED YORK.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I hate black people.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Just a stupid troll who won’t give up LA. I can post a different name every single time. Then they get tired and go away. Watch.
Right now, even with Wilson and Edwards gone, the number one priority still is offensive line. We can get safeties later in the draft.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
MissRaider, we know you’re trying to become I to get attention!!
Be more clever as we can see your hyperlink!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Well, actually, I like the ones that can run fast and play football, but that’s about it. Other than that, they should still be picking cotton, as far as I’m concerned. Hey, I’m a traditionalist. I have a right to my views, right, libbies?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
LAto theBay Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
No, we can pick up a SS in the 3rd, but why create another area of need without a strategy?
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Remember, we have Mike Huff and Rashad Baker in the wings. We don’t necessarily HAVE to draft a safety.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Wilson being axed means that Tyvon Branch will move to the SS spot and probably Huff to the WS . Just a guess but I think the youth movement is in full effect.
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Actually, this may make quite a bit of sense. Al locks up his vets at CB and figures he can develop his S’s as they go.
I still say a vet at FS.
We’ll see.
I’m out. Later, Nation. Be good.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I can see hyperlinks.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
If they didnt want to pay Wilson then they DEFINITELY not going to want to pay Brian Dawkins.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Draft Jenkins and move Chris Johnson to Free Safety?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Brian Dawkins is 12 years in the league. And that is 12 years of really knocking heads. No reason to bring him here.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
# Samhain Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Draft Jenkins and move Chris Johnson to Free Safety?
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Nope. Leave Nnam and CJ on the corners, Huff and Baker as the safeties.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Samhain Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I wouldn’t mind the Raiders drafting Malcolm Jenkins, but not to play Safety
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To play what then? Corner? Or use a top 10 pick on a nickel back?
I thought Wilson provided physical toughness that was sorely lacking on this team. Now the Raiders have one more GAP to fill. This also distracts from fixing the D-Line and O-Line IMO. For $1M I would have kept Wilson on.
I also don’t get how on Earth guys like Terdell Sands, Gerard Warren, Kwame Harris and Tommy Kelly are still on the roster. Don’t get it!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Oakglenn, your people ate each other in cave in Europe. That’s why your people stole the Indians house.
Oakglenn, your people are beasts. Look at them now. Their slave money has ran out and their eating each other again.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Thanks Jerry…
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Didn’t Wilson say ” I went from winning a Super Bowl, to this?” I didnt like the guy, sorry.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
S&B, they paid big $$$$ to bring Gabril in here, and at lst he provided some leadership and did an adequate job, but as the season wore on, he really didn’t seem to want to be out there, hence why he is no longer out there.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
No way we draft a safety at 7 , its not the biggest hole to fill . Both sides of the line should be addressed 1st
February 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I just paid my season tix in full baby!!!…1800 bucks down the…nah,..all good,…money well spent,..cant wait to tailgate,…nothing beats getting drunk at 6:00 in the morning and bar b quing wings at 8:00 in the morning…currently though Im watching total access and eating vicodins.
oh by the way, by paying in full early, I get a gift card from the Raider Image!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Look, in a perfect world we get Crabtree at #7. I just can’t see Seattle passing on him.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Doesn’t surprise me at all, MR. I knew that all along. Unions are for dumb people. Nanny states are for dump people and minorities, who are dumb by default, that’s why they don’t control the country.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
All of you feel the same way I do about minorities, and you guys know it.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
This blog is stupid.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
LOL. MR, about time you’re lightening up and realizing that blacks were put on this earth to be made fun of. The truth will set you free.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
No way we draft a safety at 7 , its not the biggest hole to fill . Both sides of the line should be addressed 1st
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Exactly. Start with LT, altho now, DE looks more like a possibility.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
That breaks down to 100 bucks a game not bad
February 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Brien would like me if he kicked it with me! I date Kings cheerleaders! I’m a pimp! I really haven’t been on a date since my mom forced me to take my cousin to the prom. But this is a blog and I can pretend I’m someone important here.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Say 5 year old troll, are you done being stupid yet?? Or do you want to act like a 5 year old more??
February 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I have 2 tix in section 127,…61 a pop,..speaking of pop,..think its time to pop another vicodin.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Trevor Scott and Burgess are pure speed rushers I would like to get someone who is more of a every down player.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Lynn, Trevor Scott and Burgess? Are you high?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
What I love is 10 years from now when stupid dummass troll thinks back on what he did with his life it’s not, I picked up chix, I got in shape, I jammed on my instrument, I saved the world, it’s I sat on the internet and typed stupid dummass sh** on a keyboard that no one read. Good use of your life loser!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Bob do you pop them out of a Raider Pez dispenser?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Oakglenn, your cave men have finally ran the Indian’s country in the ground.
We can’t go back to euro and get eaten in the caves again?
Where would we be without scrong Africans, Oakglenn?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Alot of them there teams that went deep into them there playoffs had themselves some of them there pro bowl safeties. You feel me?
I’s be surprised at Wilson’s departure. Felts he was solid this hear last year compared to who’ve we’ve had had and that there former 7th overall Huff.
I’s be betting you that Huff stays…
We best look at who’s there at saftey or maybe a LB where who might just translate?
Or, could it be best we just take that there Malcom Jenkins with that there’ 7th overall?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Nnamdi, did you pass the 3rd grade? Comment 118 is a mess. Oh, of course you didn’t. You’re black. It’s straight from the classroom to BET and kool aid, at that age.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Racism and sexual orientation aside, the Oakland Raiders have made some serious moves this off season.
Few saw Nnamdi back in the fold.
Few saw BOTH Lechler AND Nnamdi back in the fold both BY the Feb 27th deadline.
Add that to the fact we now have a coach thats will be here for the 2nd year in a row and one would have to admit, its been an interesting off season.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Nnamdi21,
I don’t like the move of getting rid of Wilson. The guy added toughness to a defense that’s been soft to the touch.
Now it adds one more gap on a team with several. Problem is that Davis’ fixation on the secondary might influence the draft. And that’s not good
February 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
The mods have stepped in for you Oakglenn. I was ripping into your carnavorish people.
Have too go to fat burger until close tonight.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Dakota, you can continue using my name while I’m gone.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Unknown Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Nnamdi, did you pass the 3rd grade? Comment 118 is a mess. Oh, of course you didn’t. You’re black. It’s straight from the classroom to BET and kool aid, at that age.
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Wrong again UNKNOWN.
I’m an intelligent thinking rationalizing American who KNOWS the time for red neck Republicanism and racial bias is OVER.
God fearin’ Southern politicians have run our country TRILLIONS IN DEBT and bankrupted our economy while the ultra elite rake in hundreds of billions of our tax money.
Spout all the niceities you like, but the fact is:
Republican policies ruined
Our economy
Our jobs
Our enviroment
Our privacy
Our food
and our future
I’m a REAL American.
One who doesn’t buy the dated antiquated Victorian Christian “values” hateful, uniformed people cling to like its the only salvation.
The time for compassion, reason and logic is at hand.
No matter the color.
Go Raiders!~
February 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Only my Raiders would fill a significant need one year, then drop him the next after he finished 2nd on the team in tackles!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
S&B (The Raiders select BJ Raji, DT Boston College) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Nnamdi21,
I don’t like the move of getting rid of Wilson. The guy added toughness to a defense that’s been soft to the touch.
Now it adds one more gap on a team with several. Problem is that Davis’ fixation on the secondary might influence the draft. And that’s not good
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I know it!
Frankly I’m shocked.
Just when I thought we had Davis’s secondary first defensive scheme filled out, he goes and dumps the most productive safety we’ve had in YEARS.
Bet this means we won’t be taking a D line amn with the 7th overall…
On the bright side, it could mean Tyvon Branch could be ready to bubble.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Damn Nnamdi, you are on fire today!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
– The Wilson cut makes little sense. Yes, the guy was definitely making too much money. But you can’t cut him when it means only saving $1.4 million in cap space while carrying $7 million MORE in dead money. I’ll bet Jerry’s right, the Raiders probably asked him to restructure and he said ‘no thanks.’
– Edwards was pretty good early on last year but with Burgess, Scott, Richardson and Gunheim all coming cheaper he became expendable.
– This won’t be the end of the cuts. They’ll probably have to cut Harris just to get under the cap. Then Huff, Warren, Sands and others may be gone if they want any FAs or just to sign their draft picks.
– At least Al is starting to admit mistakes and take action. It started with cutting D-Hall and is reflected in the Nnamdi, Johnson and Lechler signings (If we re-sign Jerry Porter ignore this comment completely).
– I REALLY hope Oakland is eyeing Nic Harris, S, Oklahoma in the 3rd round. A lot of teams are looking at him as an OLB, but I think he could be the second-coming of Jack Tatum. Tough, big-hitting, hard-nosed player with a nasty streak. Adding Maualuga or Brinkley at MLB to go with Harris at SS would inject some much-needed intimidation and toughness to an already athletically-gifted unit.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Damn Nnamdi, you are on fire today!
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Well, truth must be told.
You can back reality all day long.
Too many people prefer illusion to despair.
Time to get real and fix this mess before we become America, owned by GE / Disney Corp.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
135. Chris,
Good post.
I agree, especially about the Porter part. Good ridance!
Bringing him back would be a mistake.
I’m not sure about drafting a DB.
Doesn’t seem like something Al would do!~
February 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Nnamdi21,
At least Davis retained your namesake. I just don’t understand how guys like Kwame Harris and Terdell Sands remain on the roster.
Hopefully Tyvon Branch can fill right in. Maybe they saw something in practice…
Oh, better hope Wilson doesn’t end up on the Broncos or Chargers. Both those teams need safeties.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I’m not all that bothered by Wilson getting cut. I was shocked at first, but he didn’t change that much for us in the long run, and he was overpaid. I am excited for Tyvon Branch, I think he’ll do great for us.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
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February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
wow…
there is a message here… and it began with the release of Hall…
play hard, play well… be at the top of your game and you will get paid…
if you don’t… you will be dealt with… one way or another…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
if you don’t renegotiate… there’s the door…
it’s a little scary to release Wilson… considering the breath of fresh air he was after the disaster of the past 6 years…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
but we do have guys already on the roster
February 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
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February 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
who can step up and fill those boots…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Chris,
Your post 135 is spot on. Especially the 1st point about saving only $1M by cutting Wilson. Plus Wilson might run to the broncos or chargers. Seeing how this guy is a west coast guy. Not good.
Problem with taking a safety in the draft is that it takes away a pick from filling the DT, SLB, RT, RG gaps. Reduces the options in the draft strategy. And worse yet if Davis takes Jenkins and tries to convert him to safety.
At least Davis hopefully has learned his lesson of spending on free agents.
Now if he would only get rid of Sands/Warren and Kelly!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
okay, i found the problem… here is the entire post with a purposely mis-spelled word…
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February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
wow…
there is a message here… and it began with the release of Hall…
play hard, play well… be at the top of your game and you will get paid…
if you don’t… you will be dealt with… one way or another…
if you don’t renegotiate… there’s the door…
it’s a little scary to release Wilson… considering the breath of fresh air he was after the disaster of the past 6 years…
but we do have guys already on the roster who can step up and fill those shues…
what’s needed more than anything is up front help… especially on defense… stud DT’s will make ordinary safeties and corners look very good…
with Cable’s clear influence, i think we have one of us (raider fans) in there moving this team in the right direction…
i look for a serious emphasis on bringing our O and D lines up to snuff… the D line needs more help than the O…
i have to say it… we are heading in the right direction…
keep in mind the message i mentioned above…
achievement = big paycheck…
under-achievement = smaller paycheck or no paycheck…
i am on board with Cable…
go get ‘em, coach…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Peter’s Picks for 2009 (revised 1/25/09)
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Our 1st round pick…
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he starts day one:
Defensive Tackle
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B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 325.
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Now i should say that BJ (his friends call him Mr Raji) is not very bright… but hell, the only instructions he needs is: do NOT eat the guy with the ball, tackle only… then explain… tackle means throw to the ground…
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Introducing our 2nd round selection:
Defensive tackle
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Ron Brace, Boston College
Height: 6-3. Weight: 329.
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In a 4-3 alignment the above two DT’s in rotation with Kelly, Sands and Warren would give us an unrelenting run defense and pressure all along the line for a full 4 quarters. We could rotate K, S and W on a weekly basis on and off the inactive list.
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Our 3rd round selection:
Offensive Lineman
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Augustus Parrish, Kent State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 308.
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Could be RT or Guard…
or a truly excellent blocking dummy…
schit, it’s all a crap shoot…
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Here is our 4th round selection: a brand spanking new middle linebacker, this guy will have people asking whether Dick Butkus had an illegitimate child:
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Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
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Here’s our 6th round draft choice…
probably 2nd string center next year, full time starter the next… also he plays 4 of the line positions…
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Dallas Reynolds, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 328.
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Our 7th round draft choice should be:
Defensive End (and Burgess’ replacement)
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Derek Walker, Illinois
Height: 6-4. Weight: 272.
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This guy will kick ass…
i think.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Nnamdi21,
only the childish, the evil and the smallest souls would ever think that disrupting this blog with hate and negativity would be worth the while.
No need to engage them. They give nothing they gain nothing. They are what you may call vampires. Taking the life’s blood while only diminishing themselves.
Be thankful that you are not them. Amen.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
S&B and Pete,
I sure hope you guys are watching the senior bowl for yourselves, and have DVR. You can see play after play where Raji is being single blocked by Caldwell and Wood. It was only the first drive so far, so you haven’t missed much of his no show. Tell me one play he makes, when you see it, that says “Hey, that is the guy I want at #7!”
February 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
stupid.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I can’t see bringing in Porter after the cuts they’ve made He seems to have worn out his welcome both with the team and the fans and was awful in J ville . I’m sure there are a lot better options
February 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
America Inc. is already owned by Disney, GE, PGE, ATT, ExxonMobile and whatever other corp.s she has sodden herself with.
The last best hope of Earth done be a ho. Oh well…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Yeah JHill,
Raji was invisible in that game. Mayock — a Boston College alum — was up Raji’s butt all week but his name was basically never mentioned the entire game. It is just one game, but if the guy is such a sure thing he should’ve been able to at least make some noise. The South ran all over the North squad in that game. Raji never got notice, but the South o-line sure as hell did.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Wow! I’m surprised they cut Wilson. He was one of our better defenders after Nnamdi.
They should have kept him or try to restructure, but maybe he didn’t want to restructure? I’m a little disappointed with the release of Wilson and I hope they can resign him at a lower price tag.
When is Kwame gonna get the ax?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
PFT says:
“Per RaiderBeat.com, Wilson reportedly refused to reduce a $4.5 million roster bonus that he was due to receive in March.”
February 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
G. Wilson will probably end up a Denver Bronco.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I predict Al is going to wait until 11:59 pm on Feb. 26 to cut Kwame Harris — just to make the fans sweat.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Cutting Kwame will free up over 7 million against the cap? That’s a no brainer. If Kwame doesn’t get cut you can bet it is because he is on a Tom Cable scholarship.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
C in NY,
Yup. I’m just trying to figure out how he went from the 15 – 22 range before the Senior Bowl, and now he might go as high as 5?!?!?!
Must be nice for the BC players to have Mayock as the lead talent analyst for the NFL Network. Ryan skyrockted last year, and now Raji. Can’t be mad at them I guess, I just hope we don’t fall for it.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Or maybe Kwame has already agreed to restructure.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
So what does it tell you about what the COACHES THINK that Edwards was cut and Burgess is being shopped, yet Warren and Sands are still on the team?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Hmmmm…Wilson gets cut, but not Kwame? WTH?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
No big deal about Wilson getting cut, especially if he was a malcontent. See ya, especially for 8 million a year. Looking forward to seeing Branch in that spot.
Kwame has most likely restructured to a zero roster bonus, and $250k a year with incentives if he wins the RG spot.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
They’re probably not finished yet. Sands, Harris probably are out too.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
There’s another week to go before they have to be under the cap/pay roster bonuses. Not sure what the point of waiting is. Maybe they are offering some of those guys restructured deals and are in negotiations. Maybe there’s a lot of beuracracy and paperwork that goes into it and they need time to go through the steps after spending time working on the deals for CJ, Lechler and Nnamdi.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
JERRY,
Any word on whether Walker is healthy enough that the Raiders could cut him now and avoid being obligated to pay him his big bonus check?
February 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
# Just Win Baby Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
G. Wilson will probably end up a Denver Bronco.
^^^Yeah or the DisChargers and that would be terrible.
It’s too bad about Wilson…he was a local guy as well.
Hope Raiders can sign him to a reduced deal…but I doubt it will happen…
February 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
# JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
So what does it tell you about what the COACHES THINK that Edwards was cut and Burgess is being shopped, yet Warren and Sands are still on the team?
^^^They are going to look at DE with the #7 pick….or lets hope Andre Smith falls to #7.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Wilson was never as good as he was in NY maybe it was the scheme or the supporting cast but I don’t think he makes or breaks the team . Hello T Branch your up.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Wilson was due a $2.5 million salary and had a pending roster bonus of $4.5 million.
he wasn’t nearly the in-the-box force the Raiders had hoped for when they signed him early in free agency.
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Don’t want to restructure to average safety $? See ya!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Burgess is being shopped but I think he’ll be around for one more year. He’s in a contract year so he’s likely to up his game, plus he’s VERY cheap for a proven pass-rusher. Unless someone is willing to give up at least a 3rd round pick — or knowing Al, maybe even a 2nd — he’s not going anywhere. I doubt anyone gives that up either.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
– The Wilson cut makes little sense. Yes, the guy was definitely making too much money. But you can’t cut him when it means only saving $1.4 million in cap space while carrying $7 million MORE in dead money. I’ll bet Jerry’s right, the Raiders probably asked him to restructure and he said ‘no thanks.’
– Edwards was pretty good early on last year but with Burgess, Scott, Richardson and Gunheim all coming cheaper he became expendable.
– This won’t be the end of the cuts. They’ll probably have to cut Harris just to get under the cap. Then Huff, Warren, Sands and others may be gone if they want any FAs or just to sign their draft picks.
– At least Al is starting to admit mistakes and take action. It started with cutting D-Hall and is reflected in the Nnamdi, Johnson and Lechler signings (If we re-sign Jerry Porter ignore this comment completely).
– I REALLY hope Oakland is eyeing Nic Harris, S, Oklahoma in the 3rd round. A lot of teams are looking at him as an OLB, but I think he could be the second-coming of Jack Tatum. Tough, big-hitting, hard-nosed player with a nasty streak. Adding Maualuga or Brinkley at MLB to go with Harris at SS would inject some much-needed intimidation and toughness to an already athletically-gifted unit.
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Yeah, the Wilson cut makes little sense and thats too bad…he was the best safety this team has had since Rod Woodson.
The old man needs to trade Burgess for at least a 2nd rounder if he can.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
This just in…Al says he fired Wilson for “cause”…. It was also reported that Wilson also could not shoot free throws.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
We just can’t take a RT at 7. We just can’t!
DE at 7? Who do you have your eye on?
I like Mauluga at 7. moving Morrison to SLB.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Wilson was never as good as he was in NY maybe it was the scheme or the supporting cast but I don’t think he makes or breaks the team . Hello T Branch your up.
^^^Lets hope he is ready and he doesn’t get injured.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
# JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
We just can’t take a RT at 7. We just can’t!
DE at 7? Who do you have your eye on?
I like Mauluga at 7. moving Morrison to SLB.
^^^Maualuga would be a great pick! Intimidating, nasty hitter who will bring toughness to the defense.
Try not to look at Andre Smith as “just a RT”. He can become a DOMINATING RT and this team needs DOMINANT O-Linemen to protect and support Russell and DMC.
If Andre Smith slips to #7….value dictates that the Raiders take him.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
he was the best safety this team has had since Rod Woodson.
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That is a truly sad story for the state of our safety postion because Wilson was not that good. HIs run support was so effective that we ended up 31st against the run. And he couldn’t cover anyone, or watch anyone’s back in pass coverage. Remind me of the big hits he had? Any of them will do. And dude was going to quit in the middle of the season? He wanted no part of being here so good riddance.
I’d rather have the guy in the 3rd rnd your talking about than a guy who doesn’t want to be here.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
why not cut harris now
February 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
# JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
he was the best safety this team has had since Rod Woodson.
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That is a truly sad story for the state of our safety postion because Wilson was not that good. HIs run support was so effective that we ended up 31st against the run. And he couldn’t cover anyone, or watch anyone’s back in pass coverage. Remind me of the big hits he had? Any of them will do. And dude was going to quit in the middle of the season? He wanted no part of being here so good riddance.
I’d rather have the guy in the 3rd rnd your talking about than a guy who doesn’t want to be here.
^^^It’s sad but true. He racked up tackles because the D-Line stunk against the run and lets hope the D-Line or LB corp is beefed, mixed in with good coaching, so that Branch, Baker and Huff are effective.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
DK,
Let’s just say I’d be surprised if we took a RT at 7. I acknowledge that it is one of our top two needs, second only to LB. I think we are more likely to take LB or DE and take an OT in the 3rd. I realize it could go the other way in that we take a OT first, LB 2nd, and DE 3rd.. Or any combination of the three.
But I’m still hoping for Mauluga.
!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
^^^I wouldn’t complain at all if Maualuga was the pick….
February 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Like Morrison, yeah he racked up tackles, but they were “garbage” tackles, if you know what I mean. In other words, where are the impact tackles that those two are making? The ones for losses, or the ones that cause turnovers? Those guys are not playmakers. We can pay someone average money to make average plays.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
something is fishy about cj’s deal not official
February 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Well i think they did gud, releasing these guys, defense rank 31st last yr. Only two guys who perform well are the CBs A.M and Johnson. All the others stats numbers mean nothing with that ranking. So let build something around A M & Johnson. Get a DT, a MLB,they have 2 speedy OSL already get a steady veteran in the middle will help, remember R.Woodson at safety?, they can convert an veteran DBs to that position too, since they like man coverage so much they need taclkers at FS n SS. Pass rushers are ok, just bring some undraft rookies in n who know they might heat up the battle there too. Let give some young guns a chance to fight for a spot that will keep all the older guys on the edge it will be fun, for the team and the fans…i think we need fresh air 222 Al, and i hope the defense will attack more instead of playing ‘lets hope they willn’t score’ -change it to ‘lets go after the ball-mash them in there face-hit them as harddddd as we can’, i rather see their offense payyyyyy for points rather attacking our defense and keeping us on our heels.
As for the draft i hope the focus will be on offense, let just go offense and there should be 2 or 3 guys out of 7 picks that can help right away, instead of jumping all over the place. Look at their draft history there are more busted than keeper just like multiple choice Al you rather pick all As than jumping all over the places, you least get 1 or 2 right
just some of my crazy ideal, praying for my team 2 be gud again very day,
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February 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Wilson couldn’t cover!it just goes to show that just because a guy can lay someone out once in a while and be loved by the fans,the coaches value a complete player more.to all of you who keep bringing up that he was 2nd on the team in tackles-S.Schweirgt led the team in tackles 3 or 4 years in a row.and this doesn’t mean we will draft a safety early.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
someone said he’ll probably end up in our div.i hope so,miller could have a field day with Wilson trying to cover him.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
At halftime, Mayock and the other announcers just called out Raji and Brace for being invisible in the first half. They said they haven’t called Raji’s name ONE TIME.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
# JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Like Morrison, yeah he racked up tackles, but they were “garbage” tackles, if you know what I mean. In other words, where are the impact tackles that those two are making? The ones for losses, or the ones that cause turnovers? Those guys are not playmakers. We can pay someone average money to make average plays.
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February 20th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
i’ve also noticed,for what it’s worth,that Raji has dropped on Mayocks top 20 board.he isn’t in the top 10 anymore.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Ok guys, now we need a SS. Is there any in the FA or draft that would be worth looking at? If Huff stays, I will hate to see him back at SS. He covered arguably 2 of the best TE’s in the NFL and covered them well. However, was garbage against the run. What was Branch in college? A SS or FS? Hopefully, he is ready to go and stays injury free.
As for Burgess…if he stays, I believe that he will be trying to pad his stats so that he can get paid. But isn’t he 30? Hopefully Big Al and the Cable guy (along with Marshall) knows what they are doing. After all, Cable and Marshall should know what they have.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I believe Justin Griffin should also be cut. He is to much finesse for his position!!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Well unless we get another FB, we need Griffith. Especially if Oneal is not healthy enough to play this year. (Gawd, I hope he is…)
February 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
WHY NOT CUTT HUFF ?
February 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
does anyone know if there is a place where you can get Charles Davis’s player rankings?
February 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Lawton was as physical as Griffith, plus much cheaper. The only advantage he has over Luke is pass receiving. Why would you want your FB to catch a lot of passes anyway!!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
226-because he was the 7th pick.he covers TEs well.and he probably reworked his contract.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
everyone is down on Tommy Kelly… Let’s watch him this year – a year removed from knee surgery. We will probably see the 2007 version – or at least closer to it than 2008. Everyone is too quick to jump him. He wasn’t necessarily a liability coming off of injury.
The cutting of Wilson probably came down to a choice between him and Huff. Wilson was deemed too expensive for the effort and talk. Baker, Huff, and Branch plus a cheap veteran teacher at S wouldn’t be any worse than last year. We need line help on both sides – but if you have a no-brainer at #7, then you have to pull the trigger (Crabtree).
February 20th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
comments from Tom Deinhart at the combine…
DEFENSIVE LINE:
B.J. Raji is good and did a good job at the all-star game. And his sidekick at Boston College, Ron Brace, is good. They are big and good, the type of interior linemen the NFL teams like. …
[Ole Miss'] Peria Jerry is good, but he’s more of an undersized 3-4 guy. …
[Northern Illinois'] Larry English is a good pass rusher. He was an undersized guy. He is a linebacker who ended up at end. Most teams have him as a linebacker. He has a great motor and plays hard. He doesn’t have many holes. …
I also like [Penn State's] Aaron Maybin. He can come off the edge, but I don’t know how big he is or how he’ll fit in a scheme. …
[LSU's] Tyson Jackson, to me, is buyer-beware. He is pretty, he is body-beautiful. But he really has a difficult time finding the football and making plays. He just doesn’t make any plays. He was a real disappointment to me. …
[Texas' Brian] Orakpo is a good one. I watched him the other day. He plays on his feet like we would have him do, but I don’t think that’s his forte. He is better with his hand on the ground.
LINEBACKERS:
The linebackers are really strong. USC alone has four or five linebackers who likely will get drafted.
[Rey] Maualuga, [Brian] Cushing, [Clay] Matthews and Kaluka Maiava, who will be really good in a 4-3. …
Then you have [Wake Forest's] Aaron Curry, who to me is the best of them all. I really like the kid. He can play outside, he can play inside, he plays with passion. He won’t be limited by scheme. …
[Ohio State's James] Laurinaitis? You have to give him credit for all the tackles he made. In a 4-3 scheme, I think he’ll be pretty good, but I don’t know what he would bring to a team that plays a 3-4. He isn’t a real take-on guy; he is more of a runner.
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
[Ohio State's] Malcolm Jenkins is big. When it is all said and done, with his speed, he may end up being a safety. …
I think Cary Harris from USC is pretty good.
[Oregon's] Patrick Chung is a good safety, a good player who can hit. …
Another guy I want to watch is [Kevin] Ellison of USC. He is good and big. But he isn’t as big as their other safety, [Taylor] Mays. That guy looks like a defensive end. He is enormous. And he didn’t come out!
Tom Dienhart is the national senior writer for Rivals.com. He can be reached at
February 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
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February 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
GOOD POINT LEFTY, THANKS, POST-166 WELL SAID ALSO..
February 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I don’t know about Charles Davis, but here is a website with the power rankings.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcfse.asp
February 20th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
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i don’t know why i agree…
i just do…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
All I know is that if Kwame Harris is not cut (of course that means he did one heck of a restructure), then we will not be drafting OT at 7. McQuistan and Harris will get looks at RT and RG before they go that route, and it looks like Green will be retained as a backup. With those 3 guys on the roster, ain’t happenin’!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Unknown: Exactly. But if Oneal is not ready, wouldn’t you need both Griffith and Lawton? Just saying…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Hwnrdr-thanks,i’ve seen that.i was just wondering about Davis.i’d like to see his rankings.he seems to be really tuned in to the college game,plus the more rankings the better to compare.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Isn’t it funny how both the Raiders and Warriors had (have) a JRich?
Anyways…Kwame taking a $0 bonus and league minimum will be the only way I say let him stay. Not even then, will I like him on the roster…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Jenkins at SS
Huff/Branch FS
Next 2 months will tell a lot about the direction this team is moving.
Are we gutting it and building a core of young talent to be the future of this team?
Are we relying on the draft, full of unknown potential for our impact players, or the re-emergence of has-beens, maybe-was, and never-will-bes?
Are we adding a seasoned veteran to the squad somewhere or promoting from within?
Time will tell….
February 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I hear ya Lefty. Been searching on Google for awhile. Not finding it yet. Still looking…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
we could always draft a second TE and go to a single back set …
Just sayin …
February 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Jhill,we could always cut one of them after the draft although Cable did say Green did a good job.makes you wonder what they see that we don’t sometimes.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Oneal would be the starter with Lawton as the backup. We can add any cheap castoff as the 3rd string.
Griffin I believe has a nice contract for a FB. He is a good character guy, but, we need good players!!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
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129 Tackles is 129 Tackles. I am not calling Al crazy. I guess he has a plan. But the guy contributed 129 Tackles.
That’s a contribution.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
look guys,we are not going to draft a DB in the 1st or 2nd rd.it won’t happen.everybody overreacts whenever we make any moves.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Lefty,
Even with 2 of the 3 remaining on the roster, I can’t see us going RT at 7. 2 of the 3 end up gone, I can see it.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Okay TE…what’s that kids name from Texas Tech? I’ve read somewhere that he may be a good fit. Then, we don’t need Griffith…I like your thinking JHill.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
He tackled just like a lot of others tackled. Morrison was in the top 10 in tackles, yet, everybody agrees he is not a nasty MLB!! He’s more suited for OLB!!
Hall had more int’s than Nnamdi last season, but, who would you rather have out of the 2???
My point is you can’t always go by stats!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Jhill-IF we draft a OT at # 7 i don’t think it will be to play RT.but it does seem that LB,DE or WR will be our pick at #7.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
129 Tackles is 129 Tackles. I am not calling Al crazy. I guess he has a plan. But the guy contributed 129 Tackles.
That’s a contribution.
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What did it contribute to? Certainly didn’t help the run game. Certainly didn’t help the 3rd down defense. They never even pretended to act like he could cover the Gates and Gonzales’ of the league. He made zero plays in the passing game and was constantly out of position. Other than the safety against SD, tell me the highlight plays you rememeber from this guy? How many plays for a loss or turnover did he make? and for 7 million? Al tried to keep him at a reasonable salary, but he didn’t want to be here. Anyone else not want to be here? Let’s get them outta here as well!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
What do they say? Stats is something that is put on papaer…Good point there, Unknown, but I think I know where Kell was going with that post. But it is said and done…need to get Branch up and ready if he is the one to take over…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
we have to remember we have a whole new Def staff.maybe after watching tape the new staff feels Huff is what they want at Safety.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Trevor Scott will start.
For all those who think he’s just a pash rusher what’s your basis? He’s played DE for 3 years (2 in college and 1 in the NFL)
He’s a beast and will continue to grow and work hard. He made some rookie mistakes but I challenge anyone to name a DE who has more upside?
February 20th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
It’s whole new year, and more importantly a whole new defensive staff lead by a brand new DC. I’m looking forward to the speed of Huff and Branch at S next year.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Lefty, we say the same thing so many times, that I think I’m going to just kick back and watch the Laker game right now. You have my/our perspectives covered, LOL.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Agreed Raider4Life,
Expecting big things from Scott this year, and I like the way Gunhiem played at the end of the year.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Jhill and Hwnrdr, Wilson wasn’t garbage in my opinion, but, he didn’t play up to that salary!!
He and huff are the complete opposites: Wilson can hit but can’t cover himself with a blanket. Huff can cover but couldn’t hit a wall with his hand if he were standing in front of it.
Wilson wasn’t even on camera on some of the huge plays he gave up!! For that salary we can do a lot better!! We have too!!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Later!i agree.it could be that we aren’t married to a certain player.we look at the roster and try to be realistic!LOL
February 20th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
whats going on stu any luck or news when u will be playing again
February 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Unknown Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Jhill and Hwnrdr, Wilson wasn’t garbage in my opinion, but, he didn’t play up to that salary!!
That right there is what Big Al is probably going with now. “I paid y ou to do this, you didn’t. Take a pay cut or leave…” Makes sense. Only thing that doesn’t is Kwame Harris. Unless he did restructure for league minimum, why is still here?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Raider4Life Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Trevor Scott will start.
For all those who think he’s just a pash rusher what’s your basis? He’s played DE for 3 years (2 in college and 1 in the NFL)
He’s a beast and will continue to grow and work hard. He made some rookie mistakes but I challenge anyone to name a DE who has more upside?
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from what i can see… young mr. scott out-performed all those big name 1st rounders…
trevor scott was an outstanding pick…
and i do happen to think he will get better… much better…
now we just need to get my man derek walker in the 6th or 7th and we got ourselves one of them tandem thingys…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Well Jhill,
Al Davis threw away a lot of money of Wilson, Walker, Hall, Sands, Kelly, no? What 40-50 million in guaranteed money?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
it’s not your money KK…
looks like they’re getting things fixed…
look for even more changes soon…
good ones…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Koolkell, stop concerning yourself with my money and just worry about the buck fifty in your own life savings.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I dont understand why we didn’t just cut Michael Huff, if we needed the money so bad. But, what’s done is done, so time to root for Tyvon Branch.
They way I see it:
SS-Tyvon Branch
FS-Hiram Eugene
CB-nuff said
LB’s-Morrison, Howard and Brown (hopefully a rookie SOLB to develop
DE-Richardson, Gunheim, Scott and a rookie (or Burgess)
DT-Kelly, Warren, a rookie and a FA like Rocky Bernard or Marcus Tubbs
Oline-Henderson, Gallery, Grove, Robert Felton and James Marten – with a few talented rookies on hand to battle for playing time at C, RG, RT and LT!
TE-MIller time!
WR-Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Walker, Carter or another FA, and maybe a rookie
QB-Russell
HB-nuff said
FB-Griffith, O’Neal and I hope Frank Summers from UNLV
February 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
wow…
there is a message here… and it began with the release of Hall…
play hard, play well… be at the top of your game and you will get paid…
if you don’t… you will be dealt with… one way or another…
if you don’t renegotiate… there’s the door…
it’s a little scary to release Wilson… considering the breath of fresh air he was after the disaster of the past 6 years…
but we do have guys already on the roster who can step up and fill those shues…
what’s needed more than anything is up front help… especially on defense… stud DT’s will make ordinary safeties and corners look very good…
with Cable’s clear influence, i think we have one of us (raider fans) in there moving this team in the right direction…
i look for a serious emphasis on bringing our O and D lines up to snuff… the D line needs more help than the O…
i have to say it… we are heading in the right direction…
keep in mind the message i mentioned above…
achievement = big paycheck…
under-achievement = smaller paycheck or no paycheck…
i am on board with Cable…
go get ‘em, coach…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
good point Pete.the changes that are being made seem to be positive changes-signing players who have good work ethics and want to be here and cutting players who don’t fit in or don’t want to be here.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
BART Bridge Brigade Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I dont understand why we didn’t just cut Michael Huff, if we needed the money so bad. But, what’s done is done, so time to root for Tyvon Branch.
They way I see it:
SS-Tyvon Branch
FS-Hiram Eugene
CB-nuff said
LB’s-Morrison, Howard and Brown (hopefully a rookie SOLB to develop
DE-Richardson, Gunheim, Scott and a rookie (or Burgess)
DT-Kelly, Warren, a rookie and a FA like Rocky Bernard or Marcus Tubbs
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we need a lot more DT…
MLB = Jaspar Brinkley…
DE = Derek Walker…
check them out…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Harris wont be here long!!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
KooklKell, stop letting your hate for me be the reason why your brain has taken a hard hit.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
i was in south america for a while i missed the press conference naming cable head coach i only see a 4 minute sound bite on this site anybody got a link so i can see the whole thing wanna hear the q and a with grandpa davis !!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
hey Al,how about talking football instead of attacking posters you don’t agree with.the school children were here this afternoon.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Florida Pete,
I have doubts about Brinkley in the middle, but I really like that Walker kid.
You should also check out Robert Ayers, Zach Potter and Cyril Obiozer. I think Marshall and Board are gonna want to bring in a few bigger DE’s to strengthen the line. All of the ends in Seattle are at least 270 lbs, but we only have Richardson who is that big.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
It’s not my money, for sure. I wish I could throw 40 million out of a helicopter window.
Yeah, I think Cable will be a good influence on Davis. I like what they’ve done so far.
I’m just saying, that’s a helluva lot of money to throw away. Anybody else would have been fired.
In Cable we trust?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Brinkley is my favorite find…
i think he will be the Michael Bush of this draft…
before this guy got hurt a year and a half ago, he was rated best MLB in the SEC…
i think he’s still really good…
and very very big… 270 pounds big and relatively fast…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
KK-the bankers and the head of the auto companies haven’t been fired.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
This clearly signals the planned conversion of Tomas Howard to strong saftey.
The release of Kalimba Edwarsds signals the planned conversion of DE Jay Richards to MLB.
These moves are necesary in order to stay under the cap. Especially after throwing all of that cash out of a helicopter.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Pete-i like your Brinkley pick better than your pick at #7.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
You know how much Al Davis loves his “project players”
February 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Luke Lawton is no where near OO, not even close.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Maybe we should look at what Seattle has at Safety. It could be someone Marshall has in mind to bring from there to us to replace Gibril.
As for the draft:
There was an article down here in the Times-Picayune today about Troy Kropog. He thinks he’s going 3rd round. Maybe Cable has an eye on him and is getting some feedback from head coach Toledo who was at UCLA a while back. Tulane runs a ZBS.
I wouldn’t mind this draft for first three rounds:
1. Crabtree
2. MLB Spikes from Florida
3. T Troy Kropog
4. DT (best left)
6. DT (best left)
7. OL (any spot that fits)
February 20th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Luke Lawton is no where near OO, not even close.
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BHP
Otto was a center, Lawton is a running back. Big difference.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Luke Lawton is no where near OO, not even close.
BHP, you self serving piece of krap. You aren’t even near being a zero your own self. I’d say you’re lucky to be a negative 99. You pompous worthless SOB!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
J Brinkley sounds like he’s built like Lavon Kirkland was with the Steelers. If he plays like that I’m all for it. Kirkland was 280 his last few years in Pittsburgh.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
actually if you look back over the years,some of them have been better than his “normal” picks-Cannon,Hendricks-DE to LB,Christenson(fb to TE),Casper-OT to TE,and others.also,Shall was a nobody from a small college.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
This clearly signals the planned conversion of Tomas Howard to strong saftey.
The release of Kalimba Edwarsds signals the planned conversion of DE Jay Richards to MLB.
These moves are necesary in order to stay under the cap. Especially after throwing all of that cash out of a helicopter.”
I ain’t about to play safety homie. No offense bro but I am a Linebacker! And that whole Jay Richards playing MLB is crazy talk. Plus my man’s name is Jay RICHARDSON! Show some respect homie.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
KK-oren Oneal!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I see the interest we may have in Jerry Porter. It looks like we are clearing cap space and instead of going after Devery Henderson for $20 million we could get Porter for two or three gift cards to “going out of business” Circuit City.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I am at a loss when it comes to these moves.
I am withholding judgment until I can see what Cable has in mind.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Blackholebishop
why so much hatred for BHP. save the upper stress and take a deep breath..life is to short to be this mad at someone on the internet..
February 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Can anyone tell me what’s up with John Bowie? What is he projected to do for us this year? What kind of option is he?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
N.O. Raider Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Maybe we should look at what Seattle has at Safety. It could be someone Marshall has in mind to bring from there to us to replace Gibril.
As for the draft:
There was an article down here in the Times-Picayune today about Troy Kropog. He thinks he’s going 3rd round. Maybe Cable has an eye on him and is getting some feedback from head coach Toledo who was at UCLA a while back. Tulane runs a ZBS.
I wouldn’t mind this draft for first three rounds:
1. Crabtree
2. MLB Spikes from Florida
3. T Troy Kropog
4. DT (best left)
6. DT (best left)
7. OL (any spot that fits)
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Spikes did not declare for the draft.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
KK-oren Oneal!
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yeah he’s ok I guess, don’t throw more money at the guy by any means.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
75-it is very simple-Wilson wouldn’t rework his contract and wasn’t worth what he would have made.Curry-self explanatory.Edwards-was always out of position vs the run and part of the reason we were 31 against said run.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Thanks Sweep The Leg.
Then we should go DT in round two (maybe Brace) and then go MLB (maybe Brinkley) in the 4th.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Brinkley really doesn’t look like he’s 270 at all he looks more like 250 at the most. He has talent against the run but may struggle vs the pass. I would like to see if he can change directions or flip his hips and run. If so then he may be a find.
There are some very good safeties in this draft that will be available in the middle rnds.
But I can’t say I didn’t see the K Edwards thing coming he just struggled to much vs the run and the pass. T Scott is a much better player. Gunhiem is interesting his size and speed could develope into a nice player.
Another player some laughed at in here is Marcel Reece I would not be surprised to see him play a sort H-back role, he has some talent.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
The Real TJ In Mountain View Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Blackholebishop
why so much hatred for BHP. save the upper stress and take a deep breath..life is to short to be this mad at someone on the internet..
TJ, you don’t know this braggert like I do. I’ve followed him from board to board for the last 2-3 years. It doesn’t matter who he posts as. Sometimes he posts as Darwin2004. Sometimes as IMOROM. And occassionally as Nmaste. He always brags about who he knows and how important he is. He’ll get people thinking that he’s a real great guy and then turn around and call those same people idiots if they ever disagree whith them. BHP, when push comes to shove no one cares who you blow!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Maybe we should go DT in every round, and hope for the best.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
With Gibril gone I suspect Nic Harris or Kevin Ellison will be on the Raider radar come day two of the draft. I wouldn’t mind either one. They’re big hard hitting run-support safeties.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Jano could play DT better than Tommy Kelly for gawds sake
February 20th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Lefty12, he’s just a little slow. everyone knew except him. lol
February 20th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Brinkley really doesn’t look like he’s 270 at all he looks more like 250 at the most. He has talent against the run but may struggle vs the pass. I would like to see if he can change directions or flip his hips and run. If so then he may be a find.
Now you’re a weight expert! What makes you think that you’re such an expert on everything you self serving piece of krap?
February 20th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
give it a rest Bishop.we all get it,you don’t like him.how about talking football instead of attacking someone you don’t like.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
TK will show you KK, for a bad year his #’s aren’t that bad. They’re just not the type of #’s the money demands.
I hope he comes in under 310 you’ll see a better 3tech than any drafted in the last 2 years………period. If we let him go get the QB.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Bishop-during the day and late at night there is enough of that crap happening on here-people calling each other names,hating on each other.sometimes it’s nice when in the evenings(west coast time) we can all come here and just talk football.maybe it’s because the children are doing their homework,i don’t know,but it is refreshing to talk about the Raiders without the childish behavior.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Amen Left.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Now Al Davis’ pathetic Goons come out to impersonate me. Just like the Hitlers Brown Shirts, bursting into a peaceful meeting throwing chairs around. Can’t you dumb fukkers defend yourselves logically? Obviously not, It’s Kool though. I’ve been heard.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
TK will show you KK, for a bad year his #’s aren’t that bad. They’re just not the type of #’s the money demands.
I hope he comes in under 310 you’ll see a better 3tech than any drafted in the last 2 years………period. If we let him go get the QB.
My take: blackholepuke is really Richard Simmons in drag.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Bishop-during the day and late at night there is enough of that crap happening on here-people calling each other names,hating on each other.sometimes it’s nice when in the evenings(west coast time) we can all come here and just talk football.maybe it’s because the children are doing their homework,i don’t know,but it is refreshing to talk about the Raiders without the childish behavior.
My take: Poncho and Lefty have man crushes on blackholepuke.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
nobody cares what your take is.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Channing Crowder is about to become a FA next week. We should make him an offer. He’s a fast nasty MLB.
That nasty MFer lets piss roll down his legs during training camp instead of leaving the field to use the bathroom. He also said when he takes showers, he only washes his ass (front & back) and face. That’s the type of dirty MFer we need on defense.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Norco Bob (STUPID BOB) says:
February 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I just paid my season tix in full baby!!!…1800 bucks down the…nah,..all good,…money well spent,..cant wait to tailgate,…nothing beats getting drunk at 6:00 in the morning and bar b quing wings at 8:00 in the morning…currently though Im watching total access and eating vicodins. oh by the way, by paying in full early, I get a gift card from the Raider Image!!
You must be the stupidist piece of garbage in the world! I just don’t understand how could you give your hard earned money to the NFL’s most pathetic organization which in return don’t give a FUK about it’s fans. They I mean Al aka old fukin goat just believes in ripping off suckers just like yourself. I just don’t understand how somone is willing to give this joke of an organization their money. This organization is a fukin circus and is not worthy of a fukin cent.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
lefty
Listen to your own advice…dont respond to the hate..were use to it..as raider fans thats how we roll..
February 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Amen Left
February 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
later Raider fans,i forgot it was Friday night and the children are allowed to stay up and don’t have to do their homework for a couple of days.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Lefty, I appreciate your statement about the hate that is seen on this board. However, don’t be duped by BHP. He’s a con artist and he’ll stab you in the back when it fits his need. Just like on the other boards his arrogance and bragging have caused more hate than all the other posters combined. I’ve noticed on this board you have posters such as MR, Oakglenn, Brien, Dakota to name a few that generate bad ill amongst other posters here. On the other boards there aren’t that many posters causing havoc. Therefore, you don’t notice the arrogance of BHP so much here. Ignore the others for awhile and focus on what BHP says and how he treats other posters. You’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
BTW,earlier tonight someone said this site sucks.actually that isn’t true.what sucks is the immature people who come on here and ruin it for those that like to discuss our team.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Adios…Left
I’ll leave the obvious to do the obvious.
Adios sports fans.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Black Hole Bishop Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Lefty, I appreciate your statement about the hate that is seen on this board. However, don’t be duped by BHP. He’s a con artist and he’ll stab you in the back when it fits his need. Just like on the other boards his arrogance and bragging have caused more hate than all the other posters combined. I’ve noticed on this board you have posters such as MR, Oakglenn, Brien, Dakota to name a few that generate bad ill amongst other posters here. On the other boards there aren’t that many posters causing havoc. Therefore, you don’t notice the arrogance of BHP so much here. Ignore the others for awhile and focus on what BHP says and how he treats other posters. You’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.
My take: bhp is half Richard Simmons and half colon cowhair. What a mixture!
February 20th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Bishop-Priest and i often have a difference of opinion.with me,when i present my views to him and talk reasonably with him,even though we disagree,we don’t resort to name calling and we get along.that is all i can ask for.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
BTW,earlier tonight someone said this site sucks.actually that isn’t true.what sucks is the immature people who come on here and ruin it for those that like to discuss our team.
My take: poncho and lefty has to be talking about bhp. No one else fills the bill as well.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I don’t know what you guys are talking about in knocking Justin Griffith. Who cares if the guy gets the highlight-reel, pancake block once every other game? He takes his man out of the play every time. There’s a reason the Raiders had three different, average backs (Jordan, Fargas, Rhodes) have 100 yard games each in 2007. Griffith is easily one of the best FBs in the NFL. O’Neal has potential and he has that size to ring people’s bells. But Griffith was clearly the superior, more consistent FB when they both were healthy. Lawton is a stop-gap.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Chris,i can’t believe that was the real KK-just one of the children who likes to ruin this site-say stupid things and wait for the responses.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Bishop-Priest and i often have a difference of opinion.with me,when i present my views to him and talk reasonably with him,even though we disagree,we don’t resort to name calling and we get along.that is all i can ask for.
The time will come that he will turn on you for disagreeing with him. Look through the threads of this blog and see how many others he has put down or called names. This piece of krap is a tool and a con artist. Take my word for it.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
This piece of krap is a tool and a con artist. Take my word for it.
My take: I thought he was a Tupperware salesman?
February 20th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
*1) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri or Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
2) Phil Loadholt, T, Oklahoma
3) Fili Moala, DT, USC or Nic Harris, SS/LB, Oklahoma
4) Jasper Brinkley, MLB, South Carolina (unless taken Maualuga at No. 7)
6 & 7) Best available G/C/DT/TE
If we could ever trade this pick to Philly for Nos. 21 & 28 or to Detroit for No. 20 & 33, I’d do it. I wish the Raiders could land another pick or two somewhere in those middle rounds.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Great, now we need two safties. Can somebody please explain the logic behind cuttin G Wilson? That guy was good for us.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Do you think they’ll make a run at Haynesworth???
February 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
# Unknown Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Lawton was as physical as Griffith, plus much cheaper. The only advantage he has over Luke is pass receiving. Why would you want your FB to catch a lot of passes anyway!!
^^^How about another critical area of need which is LEADERSHIP. FB’s need to catch the ball in certain situations…..you don’t want a hands of stone FB. Blocking FB’s who can catch the football are the type of two dimensional FB’s that are needed in this league. Plus O’Neal is not going to be ready and I don’t trust Lawton. A FB needs to be drafted late in tbis years draft.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I hate the releasing of Gibril Wilson. He was the best tackler on our team last year. I am pretty pissed right now. I know that Rashard Baker was very operunistic when he got his chances, but G Wilson was our best tackler and best run stopper. I hate this cutting!
February 20th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
# Voldemort Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Great, now we need two safties. Can somebody please explain the logic behind cuttin G Wilson? That guy was good for us.
^^^Exactly…it sounds like a panic move made by the old man. Wilson was the best safety we have had since Woodson and then they cut him and now most of the money is dead money anyway? Weird, they should have kept him for at least one more year before cutting him. Now they will just give the safety spot to an unproven guy like Branch?
Can the kid hold up for a full year? I guess we’ll find out. They better not use him on KR’s, if they want him to play SS.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
# Voldemort Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I hate the releasing of Gibril Wilson. He was the best tackler on our team last year. I am pretty pissed right now. I know that Rashard Baker was very operunistic when he got his chances, but G Wilson was our best tackler and best run stopper. I hate this cutting!
^^^^
Yeah, I don’t like it either….it seems like a way to hasty of a move. If they would have upgraded the D-Line and added a LB, then Wilson would have been even more effective. Weird….
February 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
# N.O. Raider Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Channing Crowder is about to become a FA next week. We should make him an offer. He’s a fast nasty MLB.
That nasty MFer lets piss roll down his legs during training camp instead of leaving the field to use the bathroom. He also said when he takes showers, he only washes his ass (front & back) and face. That’s the type of dirty MFer we need on defense.
^^^He would be a great addition….
February 20th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
N.O. Raider Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Channing Crowder is about to become a FA next week. We should make him an offer. He’s a fast nasty MLB.
That nasty MFer lets piss roll down his legs during training camp instead of leaving the field to use the bathroom. He also said when he takes showers, he only washes his ass (front & back) and face. That’s the type of dirty MFer we need on defense.
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do we really need a player with an ass on both sides of his body ???
February 20th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
This whole thing about it being Al’s money, and he can do what he wants with it. What a thing to say, at this time of our nation’s history when we could very well be entering another depression. Shows the true arrogance of Al Davis and his faithful. While the rest of the country is tightening the belt, Al is throwing money away because he can, and his loyal ditto heads are boasting about it. Another exhibit to just how much of obnoxious windbags hard core Davis loyalists are. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I knew it was you Oakglenn you bastridge. I thought the crack was making me paranoid
February 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
“Now Al Davis’ pathetic Goons come out to impersonate me. Just like the Hitlers Brown Shirts, bursting into a peaceful meeting throwing chairs around. Can’t you dumb fukkers defend yourselves logically? Obviously not, It’s Kool though. I’ve been heard.
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I knew it was you Oakglenn you bastridge. I thought the crack was making me paranoid”
Paranoia self destroya
February 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
# Raider4Life Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Trevor Scott will start.
For all those who think he’s just a pash rusher what’s your basis? He’s played DE for 3 years (2 in college and 1 in the NFL)
He’s a beast and will continue to grow and work hard. He made some rookie mistakes but I challenge anyone to name a DE who has more upside?
Once he hits the 260-270 pound range and improves his technique and shows that he can play everydown, then I’m sure he’ll be fine. As of right now….he is a situational pass rusher.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I still say convert DE Jay Richards to MLB and watch the Run D get way way better.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Well said, Oakglenn. Davis kool aid drinkers don’t realize how much of asses they really are until someone points it out. Good job.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
lol, Troll, your parents have to be sorry. Gawd, I hate to be you. Yikes.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
What is the point of cutting Gabril? Maybe he did not want to be here anymore. With all the other crap on the team not sure why they cut Gabril. What other safties are out there?
Al, is blowing so much money for not.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Here’s what I think. Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard aren’t perfect, but both made big plays in Rob Ryan’s defense. That third linebacker position? It’s been a sore spot for several seasons. Davis doesn’t like to blitz much, so forget a rush-backer type. But if Oakland can find a big run stuffer to clog the lanes and push Morrison outside, the team will have addressed a major concern.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Wilson was the best tackler on the team-yea,when he was in the proper position to make the tackle-which wasn’t as often as it should have been.plus he is a DB and part of his job is covering receivers and he wasn’t very good at that.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I was thinking about the safety spots earlier. The fact is that the Raiders finally admitted that free safety Michael Huff wasn’t cutting it last year and sent the former first-round pick to the bench. Now they must admit that Hiram Eugene and Rashad Baker might be better as backups, too. And while we’re on the subject, the jury is still out of 2008 free-agent acquisition Gibril Wilson. Need numbers here.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Something I have really been trippin on is Rookie Trevor Scott was one of the Raiders’ nicest surprises last year, but he may never be a three-down player because of his size. Jay Richards may progress into a solid starter at MLB, and Derrick Burgess may stay healthy and happy for a few more seasons. Just to be safe, these guys need more bodies at D-end. Capiche?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
lol, Troll, your parents have to be sadly sorry. Gawd, I’d hate to be you. Yikes.
Have you completely given up on a decent, productive life?
Even though you stalk me, I really do pity you. You must be suffering like hell.
Gnite.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
# N.O. Raider Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
J Brinkley sounds like he’s built like Lavon Kirkland was with the Steelers. If he plays like that I’m all for it. Kirkland was 280 his last few years in Pittsburgh.
^^^^
Thats why alot of us think the guy would be a great pick for this team. He is built like a tank for a MLB or SAM.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I still say convert DE Jay Richards to MLB and watch the Run D get way way better.
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This is one of the most retarded ideas I have heard. Who in the hell would convert a mediocre DE into a MLB? A slow DE at that. RichardSON ran a 5.07 40…. And why do you keep saying Richards? It’s RichardSON. Show me one team that has successfully converted a 5.07 40 DE into a stud MLB….I like the idea of signing Crowder. He would be a very solid MLB.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
KK,you are trolled so often it is hard to tell when it is really you.i’d like to believe some of these totally off the wall posts are not really you.or,maybe they are you and i give you too much credit.now you can tell me to go f@#$ myself.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
What were the odds of the Raiders signing both Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler without using the franchise tag on either? About the same as the chances of owner Al Davis getting caught by paparazzi in a lusty embrace with Lane Kiffin in a booth at Francesco’s restaurant. Even Davis himself admitted recently that it would be hard to retain both his punter and his shut-down corner. Signing each, without invoking the franchise by-laws, was a stroke of genius, the kind that renews hope in this debilitated franchise. It’s getting harder for me to resist the urge.
Go fuk yourself Lefty12
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Something I have really been trippin on is Rookie Trevor Scott was one of the Raiders’ nicest surprises last year, but he may never be a three-down player because of his size. Jay Richards may progress into a solid starter at MLB, and Derrick Burgess may stay healthy and happy for a few more seasons. Just to be safe, these guys need more bodies at D-end. Capiche?
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I agree about more DE’s but that’s it. other than that….. You’re retarded. Jay RichardSON will never progress into a solid MLB. How retarded are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
That’s a stupid troll Lefty12, don’t listen to him.
He has been chasing me ever since I proposed the Jay Richards to MLB scenario.
He is just an uneduacated hater that can’t stand that I am right.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Sorry,KK,i guess i was wrong thinking more highly of you.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I would like to draft Brinkley as well, assuming that we don’t get Curry….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
My feeling is that it seems the Raiders have been reluctant to draft a tackle early since getting flamed for taking Robert Gallary with the overall No. 2 pick in 2005. Get over it. Kwamie Harris and Kornell Greene were a two-pronged disaster in 2008. And while young Mario Anderson did better than expected in the late stages of the season, he offered no proof that he is a long-term solution here. This team HAS to use one of its first two choices on a 310-pounder with nimble feet and a mean streak. Someone like the Wizzanator, good ole #76. Someone that grabs balls in the pile and twists the hell out of him. I want a biter!
February 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Then, KK, I guess you are just as uneducated as your troll cuz you can fukin’ spell Jay RichardSON’s name right and the idea of moving him to MLB is just so retarded. It’d never work. He is a DE, not a MLB…. Get it through your head….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
everyone seems to be sold on Brinkley.the only question i have is why aren’t the so called experts?he is never mentioned in the top of anyones prospects.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I get the impression that the Raiders loved what they saw from second-year pass catcher Johnny Lee Hoskins and rookie Chad Schildens as the season wore down. The rest of the crew made too much money and caught too few passes. JaMarcus Russel desperately needs more options. As it stands, someone like Ole Miss’s Jackie Maclin could be the default choice at overall pick No. 7. That is if Mack isn’t still on the board.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
The reason being, Lefty, is cuz he had a knee injury in ‘07…. He was projected to go 1st or 2nd, until his injury.Since then they haven’t talked about him much. I call it the Michael Bush effect.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Demon-i don’t think it is really KK.i might be wrong,but i don’t believe he is that stupid.then again it could be him stirring the pot.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Fuk Brinkley, you guys don’t know sh1t.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Lefty12
It’s me, I ran that fukkin troll out, as usual. I own him.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Demon-if he was still that good,wouldn’t he at least be mentioned as a sleeper or as someone who would have been a higher pick if he wasn’t injured.i haven’t heard him mentioned anywhere but here,and to be honest,that isn’t a glaring endorsement.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I get the impression that the Raiders loved what they saw from second-year pass catcher Johnny Lee Hoskins and rookie Chad Schildens as the season wore down. The rest of the crew made too much money and caught too few passes. JaMarcus Russel desperately needs more options. As it stands, someone like Ole Miss’s Jackie Maclin could be the default choice at overall pick No. 7. That is if Mack isn’t still on the board.
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LMFAO!!!!! Who the fuk is Jackie Macklin from ole Miss?!? There is no player by that name from that school…. LMFAO!!!! You are one of the stupidest guys I have ever encountered….. Maybe you were thinking of WR JEREMY MACLIN FROM MISSOURI….. That was too fukin funny….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I still can’t believe how much money Al Davis wasted last year. He would have done better dropping a pile of cash over Fruitvale Bart.
Thats why he has to do things like move Jay Richards to MLB to help stop the run.
It makes too much sense, football wise and salary cap wise.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I didn’t really hear anything about Michael Bush before the 2007 draft, but I do know that he fell in the draft. Another reason why Brinkley hasn’t been talked about much is cuz he had a average senior year as he was recovering from his knee injury.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Demon
Fuk off you know what I meant. It’s getting late and I’ve had a few.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
i may be naive,but i still don’t believe that is the real KK.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
His friends call him Jackie, Google it smart ass
February 20th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
307 isn’t me guys
February 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
I’m off to bed, this troll is messing me up. Think about the Jay Richards project, you will soon see what I see…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
308 not me fellas
February 20th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
For all you Al Davis slaves, Al Davis lovers and Al Davis loyalist, here’s a statement from Jerry Mac worth repeating. It helps prove that Al Davis has lost it and that he’s the reason why we’ll remain in the bottom half of teams with less that a 500 record.
“The Wilson dump is the latest black mark on last years off season spending spree, which included huge deals with
(losers) Tommy Kelly, DeAngelo Hall and **Javon Walker.”
**Javon Walker = Idiots of all idiots. Bought 10 bottles
of champagne, at $1500.00 a bottle, too spray people on the dance floor, then almost got beaten to death that night and was found laying in the street unconscious. What a prizk!
We need a General Manager to run the team without input from senile Al Davis, but that will never happen. So, we’ll remain below 500…year, after year, after year.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
well then there is no reason for you to follow the team or post on here ,right?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Wrong…lefty:
All the more reason to post here. We don’t need blind slaves and idiot followers, who will run off the cliff with the rest of the sheep. We need people who will call the shots as they are. People who will express both the good and the bad. Lately, last six (6) years, it’s been
mainly bad. Open your eyes. Maybe you should start using the right side of your brain. Then we can call you Righy.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Why would they call him Jackie if his name is Jeremy? Doesn’t make any sense to me….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Good night Raider fans. Have a good night and a better tomorrow. On the positive side, they say what goes down…must come up! So, maybe, just maybe, this will be the year we start that upward movement of winning more than eight (8) games, passing that 500 mark.
We’ll get an indication come the draft and during free agency. No way we can do worst than last year, so we should do better in both areas…lets hope!
February 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
branch has the size and speed to be a great safety. 6′0 210 4.34 40 and apparently a hard hitter. Add a dt and a linebacker to the defense and as long as everyone plays to their potential it should be a dominate defense. With O’Neal hopefully back next year the run game should be back to number 1 in the league, especially with McFadden and Bush getting more looks. Now as long as Russell can continue to play like he did at the end of the season, and the youngster produce, mainly Henderson, the raiders could be looking at the playoffs.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:15 am
doubt it happens but if the chiefs dont take curry… any chance the raiders pick him up he would definitely be the best pick at 7 besides crabtree
and everyone talkin about jb.. i don’t know much about him but scouts on espn say he doesn’t look like an every down backer and can struggle in pass protection
February 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am
post296,had a few cocktails?moron kk
February 21st, 2009 at 12:22 am
I hate my life.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:26 am
I have a meaningless existance,…I have no life whatsoever,…I come in here and blog…then I masterbate,..then I come in here again,…go eat alot of food and get fatter…I am ugly…but at least I have all of you, and you are all in the same situation as me,..thank God we have each other.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:30 am
wattup crew. raiduhs makin some noise. draft crabtree or a left tackle.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:37 am
actually a lt at 7 is the smart move.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:40 am
as the cult once said,..ciao baby!!
February 21st, 2009 at 1:18 am
LT at 7 is the worst move.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:50 am
LT @ 7 is necessary if we are to compete for the division. Not a flashy move, but it is time to secure the team’s foundation. Henderson showed that he may well have a place on the team, but we need an elite left tackle for a QB like JR who needs time for recievers to run routes and get open. I don’t think JR will ever have the quickest style in the league. And I don’t like the Wilson cut. Great job yesterday, Al, but you’ve got some of us fans thinking: “Oh, no, not again” today, I fear.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:59 am
And so, less assured than the day before, the Nation sleeps…
February 21st, 2009 at 5:08 am
I almost feel like crying… how more of this can I take? I really ask myself, why do I care, and when should I stop caring???
What good does it do to have Nnamdi, and NOT HAVING A SS??
Gibril, was a point saving SS, we are truly FU©KED!
FS should be Branch, now, then let the mediocre Baker and the mediocre Eugene and the mediocre Huff battle it out on SS…
these releases has the look of mostly being a way so save face for Al… Comon, man Huff, Sands, Kelly and Harris all needed to be fired before Gibril and Kalimba… I can live with the Kalimba release, but Gibril, wont make any sense…
Man im pissed!
February 21st, 2009 at 5:10 am
# darkknight01 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
# Unknown Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Lawton was as physical as Griffith, plus much cheaper. The only advantage he has over Luke is pass receiving. Why would you want your FB to catch a lot of passes anyway!!
^^^How about another critical area of need which is LEADERSHIP. FB’s need to catch the ball in certain situations…..you don’t want a hands of stone FB. Blocking FB’s who can catch the football are the type of two dimensional FB’s that are needed in this league. Plus O’Neal is not going to be ready and I don’t trust Lawton. A FB needs to be drafted late in tbis years draft.
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finally some wit here! DarkKnight, I agree with ya! on lamost everything you’ve said in this thread… (Gibril was a leader too)
February 21st, 2009 at 5:29 am
Scott has been in the 260-270 range before and he can easily get there again but he doesn’t want to lose his speed which is his greatest attribute
February 21st, 2009 at 6:02 am
I hate to say it but Al Davis is right. If you don’t want to be here, then get the f*ck out. Kiffin, Wilson and whomever. Don’t want to be a Raider, you’re out of here.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:26 am
ExLA,
eloquently and excellently said, sir.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:31 am
hey LMN this is from 408
Thanx 4 caring brother!! I’ve been working 2 jobs so I have little time to get my blog on.. plus they set up a fire wall @ my day job and I have to wait till our Raider bro IT guy gets back so he can clear me a way to Jerry’s Blog.. Im still alive And I miss you all…
PS we signed Nnamdi!!!
FREE DIRTY!!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 6:48 am
4eva..
Classic FOUR OHH EIGHT!
Thanks, bro’
February 21st, 2009 at 6:50 am
“excellently” ??? I dont believe that is the real ‘M’ furthermore, how did he suddenly become attached to Oakglenns hip?
February 21st, 2009 at 7:00 am
I knew Rob Ryan was the major problem. He had 1 great season and Al stuck with him through all the bad ones. I am soo glad he is gone!!
February 21st, 2009 at 7:15 am
some folks in here questioned why they never heard of Jasper Brinkley and why so many of us are high on him…
we’re high on him because we think we can get him later in the draft… he’s not a 1st rounder…
but he was !!! two years ago when he was also 1st team SEC… he was projected into the 1st round of this year’s draft…
Walter Football has him rated as the 10th best… that’s why i see him as a middle rounder…
what makes him stand out is his size and speed… otherwise i would never have mentioned him…
it’s a rare combination … size … speed…
here’s some history…
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 267.
1/10/09: Coming off a terrible knee injury, Jasper Brinkley regrouped and qualified for the All-SEC Second Team.
12/7/08: Jasper Brinkley has 54 tackles, five TFL and 2.5 sacks… not bad for a guy coming off a nasty knee injury.
5/11/08: Jasper Brinkley was a late first, early second-round prospect before suffering a nasty injury during the 2007 season. He has to prove himself all over again this year.
2007: Jasper Brinkley is out for the year with a knee injury. He may apply for a medical redshirt and return to South Carolina in 2008.
A member of the All-SEC First Team, Brinkley is a monstrous linebacker who will be able to play numerous positions on an NFL team because of his impressive size and speed. Brinkley and Vince Hall, the top inside linebackers of the 2008 class.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:19 am
Lefty, JHill, Chris in NY,
The Raiders need plumbers right now. They need guys that would be on Mike Rowe’s “Dirty Jobs” program.
This team can’t stop the run because of the Owner’s fascination with highlight reel guys. Gibril Wilson had 125 tackles. Morrison had another 130 tackles. Why was this? Because teams ran the hell out of the ball and the front 4 could do nothing to stop the run. Specifically the Defensive Tackles.
Its amazing that Morrison, Howard and Wilson are called out but the sorry DTs get a free pass.
Here’s my prediction:
If the Raiders go into next year with Kelly/Sands/Warren and some reject free agent like Bernard…this team will go 5-11 or 6-10 next year.
The Raiders are going up against trench teams this year. Teams that can run the ball. The NFC East, Steelers, Ravens, LT & Sproles, and run 1st offenses like the Jets, Browns and Bengals with Cedric Benson.
I am with Florida Pete. Not only should the Raiders take Raji at number 7….they should also use the 2nd round pick to grab another DT.
Just Win Baby!
February 21st, 2009 at 7:21 am
chore time =)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
Fl Pete…
Man, Im starting to think, all us here should give you and brinkley a room… LOL =)
everyother post from you has something to do with Brinkley.. we get it mate, you like the fella, you ant us to pick him before or in the 4th round.. we get it… =)
February 21st, 2009 at 7:41 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
Fl Pete…
Man, Im starting to think, all us here should give you and brinkley a room… LOL =)
everyother post from you has something to do with Brinkley.. we get it mate, you like the fella, you ant us to pick him before or in the 4th round.. we get it… =)
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you are hurting my damn feelings…
i read the overnight posts and saw several that indicated Brinkley as an unknown… if he’s so special why have we not heard of him, etc….
but i do believe… putting him in the middle, flanked by Morrison, Howard and some fresh young stud DT’s would give us an instant credibility as serious run defense…
and… i should say… my emphasis has always been defense first…
defenses win championships…
offenses win games…
February 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
Revised Mock Draft: Stop the freekn run!!!! Need plumbers!
1. B.J Raji, DT Boston College
Outstanding mass and bulk .Excellent strength. Stout at the point of attack…CAN FILL 2 GAPS…Able to occupy MULTIPLE BLOCKERS…Tough, powerful and nasty…A BEAST AGAINST THE RUN…Can really collapse the pocket…Able to PENETRATE AND MAKE PLAYS in the backfield…Above average athleticism…Quick and agile…Pursues well and has a burst to close. Good instincts & awareness.Will offer schematic versatility
2. Ron Brace, DT Boston College
Excellent size and bulk…Very quick off the snap…Great strength…Is stout at the point of attack…DOES A TERRIFIC JOB AGAINST …Gets a good push up the middle…Will collapse the pocket…A powerful tackler…Shows the ability to shoot gaps and penetrate at times…Nice instincts / awareness…Lots of experience…Improving and has upside.
3. Troy Kropog, RT Tulane
Good size with a large frame…Great athleticism…Very light on his feet…Quick and agile…Excellent pass protector…Smart with good awareness…Good mobility to get to the second level and pull…Moves well laterally…Natural knee bender…Technically sound…Uses his hands well…Nice balance…Outstanding work ethic…Tough…Has a fire in his belly…Lots of experience…A team leader…Still has some upside.
4. Zack Follet, OLB California
Very physical with good strength…Reliable tackler…Excellent in pursuit…DOES A NICE JOB AGAINST THE RUN…CAN TAKE ON & SHED BLOCKERS…GOOD PASS RUSHER AND BLITZER…Has a burst to close…Very intense and competitive…A BIG HITTER…Has a non-stop motor…Superb instincts…Hard worker…Tough and durable…Has a lot of special teams potential… Productive and really had a terrific senior campaign.
5. deAngelo Hall
6. Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn
Great athlete…Very quick…Light on his feet…Good strength…Is stout at the point of attack…Competitive with a good motor…Excellent mobility and range to pull and get to the second level…Durable…Hard worker…Team leader…Still improving and has upside…Nice pedigree.
7. Find the best safety available to compete
February 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
“you are hurting my damn feelings…” LOL good stuff =)
Yeah I can certainly see why you like him and I agree, not that I want to rip up in an old discussion, but you know that I feel its a reach to pick the guy in the 4th..
Man I was so happy, and suddenly its tough business to be a raider fan again, man this franchise knows how too kill a buzz..
February 21st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Florida Pete,
Keep selling Brinkley! The Raiders need to get tougher. The Nation needs to understand that games are won with defense and toughness.
Better to talk about Brinkley (big combine for him) then to talk about another safety, wide receiver or cornerback.
Keep on em!
February 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
repost…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
wow…
there is a message here… and it began with the release of Hall…
play hard, play well… be at the top of your game and you will get paid…
if you don’t… you will be dealt with… one way or another…
if you don’t renegotiate… there’s the door…
it’s a little scary to release Wilson… considering the breath of fresh air he was after the disaster of the past 6 years…
but we do have guys already on the roster who can step up and fill those shues…
what’s needed more than anything is up front help… especially on defense… stud DT’s will make ordinary safeties and corners look very good…
with Cable’s clear influence, i think we have one of us (raider fans) in there moving this team in the right direction…
i look for a serious emphasis on bringing our O and D lines up to snuff… the D line needs more help than the O…
i have to say it… we are heading in the right direction…
keep in mind the message i mentioned above…
achievement = big paycheck…
under-achievement = smaller paycheck or no paycheck…
i am on board with Cable…
go get ‘em, coach…
February 21st, 2009 at 7:58 am
I heard Cable in an interview. The quote of the whole thing was “Hey, my attitude is that if they don’t want to be here to hell with ‘em. We want people here who want to be here.” I think that is what is happening.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:02 am
Florida Pete says,
“what’s needed more than anything is up front help… especially on defense… stud DT’s will make ordinary safeties and corners look very good…”
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Exactly. This is the theme for the offseason. A 4-3 defense relies on good D-Line play and the DTs are the core of a good run defense.
The Raiders should sell-out and fix that D-Line and start inside out….Tackles and move out!
February 21st, 2009 at 8:02 am
la milicia negro, will you please go be a crybaby elsewhere?. you are a poor excuse of a man, hey if you are a female it makes sense to be on here crying, but youre probably a dude who is one of those guys that cries alot, you sure do in here.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:07 am
Wilson was one of the only 08′ guys that did anything positive, but it sounded like he wasn’t happy here. I would rather have seen Harris cut than Wilson, but oh well….
Harris not being cut yet is a scary thing, makes me think Cable has some lame idea to try him at RT or RG…RT would be a certain disaster, everyone on Earth knows Kwame was piss poor at RT in SF too…fuk
Here is a list of Free Agent S:
Pos Pos
Rank Rating Name Type Yr Ht/Wt College 2008 Team Signed Team
S 1 Jermaine Phillips UFA 7 6-1/214 Georgia Tampa Bay
S 2 Oshiomogho Atogwe Fran. 4 5-11/210 Stanford St. Louis
S 3 Brian Dawkins UFA 13 5-11/210 Clemson Philadelphia
S 4 Sean Jones UFA 5 6-1/215 Georgia Cleveland
S 5 Mike Brown UFA 9 5-10/207 Nebraska Chicago
S 6 Rodney Harrison UFA 15 6-1/218 Western Illinois New England
S 7 Darren Sharper UFA 12 6-2/210 William & Mary Minnesota
S 8 Lawyer Milloy UFA 13 6-0/210 Washington Atlanta
S 9 Corey Chavous UFA 11 6-1/208 Vanderbilt St. Louis
S 10 Josh Bullocks UFA 4 6-1/207 Nebraska New Orleans
S 11 Dawan Landry RFA 3 6-1/220 Georgia Tech Baltimore
S 12 Renaldo Hill UFA 8 5-11/190 Michigan State Miami
S 13 Yeremiah Bell UFA 5 6-0/205 Eastern Kentucky Miami
S 14 Jarrad Page RFA 3 6-2/220 UCLA Kansas City
S 15 Will Allen UFA 5 6-1/200 Ohio State Tampa Bay
S 16 Atari Bigby RFA 4 5-11/211 UCF Green Bay
S 17 James Butler UFA 4 6-3/210 Georgia Tech NY Giants
S 18 James Sanders UFA 4 5-10/207 Fresno State New England
S 19 Jim Leonhard UFA 4 5-8/185 Wisconsin Baltimore
S 20 Keith Davis UFA 6 5-11/207 Sam Houston State Dallas
S 21 Nick Ferguson UFA 10 5-10/201 Georgia Tech Houston
S 22 Abram Elam RFA 3 6-0/207 Notre Dame NY Jets
S 23 Marquand Manuel UFA 6 -/- Florida Denver
February 21st, 2009 at 8:11 am
I like Gruden, but man, he seems like a major A-hole on NFL Total Access doesn’t he? lol he never lets anyone finish a statement without interrupting. And did you guys see him ripping Gabkowski a new one? Lmfao, that was funny.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:12 am
wilson wasnt worth a fig, glad hes gone,…hey total access just did a piece on gradkowski and gruden,..I think gradkowski should get a shot at starting qb,…jamarcus russell hardly proved hes won that job….matter of fact if it werent for the money he likely would have been cut,..he stinks.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:14 am
i would take gruden over cable any day of the week….especially on sundays.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
think i will have a cold beer.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:36 am
Repost:
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
S&B and Pete,
I sure hope you guys are watching the senior bowl for yourselves, and have DVR. You can see play after play where Raji is being single blocked by Caldwell and Wood. It was only the first drive so far, so you haven’t missed much of his no show. Tell me one play he makes, when you see it, that says “Hey, that is the guy I want at #7!”
February 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Repost:
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
At halftime, Mayock and the other announcers just called out Raji and Brace for being invisible in the first half. They said they haven’t called Raji’s name ONE TIME.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
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# JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
So what does it tell you about what the COACHES THINK that Edwards was cut and Burgess is being shopped, yet Warren and Sands are still on the team?
February 21st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Stu, if that is really you. You ran yourself out of Oakland. You were great on special teams play other than that, I am sorry you had nothing coming the last two years. You were done in my eye’s when they were going through pre-game introductions all of your team was lined up to run through and you were shaking the hand of a Chief player. You had no intention to get in that line and be a part of our team. This was unreal and it showed how much of a team player you were. Raiders For Life!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 8:44 am
# Blanda Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:02 am
la milicia negro, will you please go be a crybaby elsewhere?. you are a poor excuse of a man, hey if you are a female it makes sense to be on here crying, but youre probably a dude who is one of those guys that cries alot, you sure do in here.
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I cry where ever i want to… but this shyt could make big grown men cry.. this just brings us back to the shell years..
this franchise is run without a plan, they just shoot from the hip, and hopes everything ends up fine..
you cant develop if you throw away the cornerstones each year… this is just ludicrous..
but you hiding behind yet another new moniker makes you a coward, I rather be a girl than a coward..
February 21st, 2009 at 8:45 am
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Repost:
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
At halftime, Mayock and the other announcers just called out Raji and Brace for being invisible in the first half. They said they haven’t called Raji’s name ONE TIME.
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i did watch the game…
Raji at 7…
February 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
whats with all the repost? we “heard” ya the first time..
February 21st, 2009 at 8:48 am
Crabtree is out for 10 weeks with a stress fracture in his foot. Won’t be able to run before the draft.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
whats with all the repost? we “heard” ya the first time..
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Repost:
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
S&B and Pete,
I sure hope you guys are watching the senior bowl for yourselves
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Does that answer your question?
February 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
That’s amazing Pete. Before the SB, he was rated no where near the top 10. So what exactly did you see that suggests we take this guy at 7?
February 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
Jhill…
nope..I watched the senior bowl, its done, its over…
February 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
whats with all the repost? we “heard” ya the first time..
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no you didn’t…
otherwise, you would have said something like:
“Florida, you are without doubt the most insightful, knowledgeable, articulate individual on this blog… no-one knows more about the upcoming draft, the needs of the team, and the overall direction this team should go, better than you…”
wait, there’s more…
“Florida, i want to thank you for your contributions to this blog and want you to know that each of us appreciates your sharing your insights with us…”
yeah… that’s it… that’s raiderin’ baby !!!
February 21st, 2009 at 8:53 am
I TOLD U GUYS THAT MICHEAL CRABTREE HAS FOOT PROBLEMS. HE HAS A STRESS FRACTURE IN HIS FOOT. WHY WOULD WE PICK HIM HES ONLY 61 3/4THS PLUS A SLOW 40 MAYBE FOOTBALL SPEED BUT WE DONT NEED ANOTHER JWALK
February 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am
Wasn’t it you Pete who correctly pointed out how we drafted Scott in rd 6 and he outperformed all of the higher drafted DEs? That same logic will hold true with the DTs we draft in the later rounds compared to whoever else drafts Raji in the first round.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
okay.. so all your reposts are about selfrighteousness ?
very nice…
February 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Isn’t it you LMN who begs people to read a post before they respond?
You obvisouly didn’t do that as it is not addressed to you. It is clearly addressed to the Raji supporters S&B and Pere. I shouldn’t have to point that out.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:59 am
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
That’s amazing Pete. Before the SB, he was rated no where near the top 10. So what exactly did you see that suggests we take this guy at 7?
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i did bring up your site that you indicated last night…
and that site indeed does not think highly of Raji…
but there are other sites that think very highly of him…
you hang you hat on your information and i’ll hang my hat on mine…
and i liked what i saw of Raji at the senior bowl…
February 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
okay.. so all your reposts are about selfrighteousness ?
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LOL … You’re on one this morning!
Pete didn’t do the reposts, I did!
Why are you even in this? Do you want Raju at 7 also?
February 21st, 2009 at 9:03 am
I’m not trying to be sarcastic Pete, I really want some solid info on Raji. It just seems like he came out of nowhere with you and S&B. I didn’t see him play in college, I only saw SB week and the game. If you and S&B wouldn’t have been pumping him up, I wouldn’t have even paid attention to the guy. And again, last year I wanted Dorsey, so I see the need for a DT.
Gimme some info my man!
February 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am
# JHill (Rey Rey at @ 7) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Isn’t it you LMN who begs people to read a post before they respond?
You obvisouly didn’t do that as it is not addressed to you. It is clearly addressed to the Raji supporters S&B and Pere. I shouldn’t have to point that out.
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“It is clearly addressed to the Raji supporters”…. lol thats a reach… Clearly??
no it wasnte adreesd to me, it wasnt addressed at all, it was a repost of what we read last night… and No you wasnt the only one reposting to day..
but its a nice way to get to 600 post per day, we just repost everything from the day before…
good work..
February 21st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Did you guys read that George Mason University elected a man as Homecoming Queen? Now that I think of it, Oakglenn hasn’t been around here in awhile. That would explain a lot.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:07 am
JHill (Rey Rey at @ 7) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am
Wasn’t it you Pete who correctly pointed out how we drafted Scott in rd 6 and he outperformed all of the higher drafted DEs? That same logic will hold true with the DTs we draft in the later rounds compared to whoever else drafts Raji in the first round.
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oh… you’re asking me if i can guarantee that Raji will be as good a pick as i think he will be…
i can’t…
but we are stuck with drafting someone at # 7…
my favorite MLB can be had later in the draft…
i think receivers are a dime a dozen…
we are 31st against the run…
we desperately need help up the middle…
i think our O line is adequate… i think Mario deserves another year… (in other words, that position can wait another year to be addressed)…
so… what does that leave us with ???
sounds like DT to me…
and the best DT on the board is Raji… would he still be there 10 positions down… if we were offered a trade… probably…
and if we are offered a chance to trade out of that spot, i would take it…
February 21st, 2009 at 9:09 am
Repost:
JHill (Tryin’ 2 B Realistic) Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
S&B and Pete,
I sure hope you guys are watching the senior bowl for yourselves
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I don’t know, something must be getting lost in the translation again. No matter how many times I look at this, it clearly says S&B and Pete!
February 21st, 2009 at 9:17 am
so if i some day say “you guys” then would S&B and Pete know i was addressing them?… not likely
February 21st, 2009 at 9:17 am
it sure looks like Al Davis is definitally consulting with someone. Wonder Who? Its very nice to see he is keeping his own talant instead of going out and signing retreads.
GO Raiders!!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 9:18 am
WOW!!! looks like we wont be drafting crabtree! OT it is.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:22 am
i bet Al still drafts him in later rounds acually now that i put more thought into it.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:22 am
Brinkley over Maulaga allows you to sleep at night with Raji at 7?
Ok … Well there it is. I wouldn’t root against that per se, but I’d rather have Mauluga and Brace than Raji and Brinkley.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:24 am
A triangle is one of the basic shapes of geometry: a polygon with three corners or vertices and three sides or edges which are line segments. A triangle with vertices A, B, and C is denoted ABC.
In Euclidean geometry any three non-collinear points determine a unique triangle and a unique plane (i.e. a two-dimensional Euclidean space).
The 2 Raider defensive ends are the polygon,a&b Wilson is C along with Huff.If A&B are not doing their job correctly it falls to C. That is the reason the Raider Safties ALWAYS make so many miss so many tackles. The Traiange is only as strong as its three points. If A&B are weak C collapses. My point here is A&B have to be replaced so C can support support the shape .
February 21st, 2009 at 9:28 am
once upon a time in the west Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:24 am
A triangle is one of the basic shapes of geometry: a polygon with three corners or vertices and three sides or edges which are line segments. A triangle with vertices A, B, and C is denoted ABC.
In Euclidean geometry any three non-collinear points determine a unique triangle and a unique plane (i.e. a two-dimensional Euclidean space).
The 2 Raider defensive ends are the polygon,a&b Wilson is C along with Huff.If A&B are not doing their job correctly it falls to C. That is the reason the Raider Safties ALWAYS make so many miss so many tackles. The Traiange is only as strong as its three points. If A&B are weak C collapses. My point here is A&B have to be replaced so C can support support the shape .
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interesting…
but aren’t there 11 players on defense ???
February 21st, 2009 at 9:33 am
Oline drills on now …
February 21st, 2009 at 9:33 am
Yes Pete, But we all know it starts at the D-Ends to collapse everything to the inside so the body could digest the food.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:46 am
JHill,
There is plenty of info on Raji and any other top 20 prospect. My focus on this draft is fixing the 31st run defense in the NFL. Too many games the Raider defense could not hold up and too many times got run out of the house.
The run defense is ranked 31st! You can’t win with that kind of defense. Just can’t win, no way no how. The Raiders have a good secondary, but what good is it if teams can just pound it out against the front 7 reliably!
Why Raji? First, I think that the DTs are the weakest position on the team, and for a 4-3 defense that only amplifies things. In the 4-3, the DTs are there to disrupt the line, get some penetration and finally to keep the linebackers clean. The fact that Gibril Wilson and Morrison have so many tackles and yet the run d is so poor suggests that running backs are getting to the 2nd level way too manyt times.
Raji does all the things on that the Raiders have lacked. He is dominating his opponent, getting penetration into the backfield and is acknowledged as stout against the run. I can’t think of anything needed for this pathetic defense then that.
Secondly, Kelly/Waarren/Sands are not physical enough. They don’t take on blockers well and quite frankly just disappear for entire games. When was the last time the defensive line just dominated a game or set the tempo? Warren and Sands are castoffs with no upside. Kelly was paid a ridiculous amount of money when his best work was actually at defensive end. The fact Kelly got a bunch of money doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t make plays.
Third, I think Morrison and Howard are good linebackers that need to get better. Not horrible linebackers that need to be replaced. Just last year, those two guys were thought of as Pro-Bowl candidates. A lot of upside with those two. Replacing Morrison with a rookie won’t give the Raiders the same bump that replacing Sands/Warren and getting Kelly some help will.
Finally, drafting DT’s and D-Line heavy signals to me that the team is committed to getting tougher. Not committed to getting faster.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:47 am
Jay Richards at MLB, you know I am right. Just deal with it.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
Good Morning Nation!!! LMN, Good Afternoon
JHIll…you like Rey Maualuga and Brace…good choices, but what about that other USC lb? Cushing, I think his name is.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:03 am
S&B…
The problem is that you are drafting exclusively for need and that´s the easiest way to screw up a draft.
With a top 10 pick you have to evaluate what you need and what’s available, we do need a big DT but Raji was manhandled at the Senior Bowl and most of the guys he faced in the game don’t even carry a first round grade.
If there was dominant DT available you take him, but that’s not Raji, IMO.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:03 am
JHill (Rey Rey at @ 7) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
okay.. so all your reposts are about selfrighteousness ?
My take: he must be talking about bhp blackholepuke?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am
what a loser
February 21st, 2009 at 10:11 am
Glutten for Punishment Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am
what a loser
My take: buttholepriest must have pissed off a lot of people last night.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:13 am
Let´s wait and see what John Marshall can do to make the defense better vs the run and what Dwaine Board can do to get the most out of Kelly, Warren and Sands…provided they bring all of them back.
Ryan is finally gone and while Marshall is hardly a household name, I’m pretty sure he will do better.
I know that´s not gonna make anyone feel comfortable but I´m willing to give those guys a shot before investing more than 20 million in guaranteed money to a questionable player like B.J. Raji.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:14 am
Ive been hearing the argument from some friends that cuting Wilson may be a big show of confidence in Tyvon Branch. Hopefully theyve seen something in practice that warrants the move. for example cutting DHall for CJ.
If that is the case I still worry that Brach has not shown the ability to stay health (broken arm, shoulder surgery).
February 21st, 2009 at 10:15 am
S&B,
The issue is player vs player, not postion of need. Everyone knows the run defense needs to improve, that’s no news flash. You are totally discounting what the COACHES think. Warren, Kelly, and Sands are still on the roster despite what you think, right? Yet we cut our starting DE and starting SS. Maybe the COACHES think those positions need immediate improvement moreso than DT? It is what it is.
With those FACTS in mind, Rey Rey and Brace or Curry and Brace are arguably better selections for the immediate improvement of the run defense than Raji and Brinkley. Top rated LB and a numer 2 or 3 DT versuse a top rated DT and a LB that I haven’t seen on anyones top board?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Crabtree has slight stress fracture in right foot. Will require surgery and will be down 10 weeks.
No Crabtree at 7
February 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
Black is black, I want my baby back (unless: “If they don’t want to be here then the hell with them.”
Grey is grey, (how’s the weather in Danmark today?)
What can I do?, when IIIII’m feeling blue (not really)
February 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Crabtree injury sure scambles the draft. Need to stay away from him like poison ivy. Stress fractures of that type can be chronic and end or limit a career. Just act Bill Walton. The fact he had surgery and they had to use a screw in ominous even though T.O. has that done.
From PFT: Continuing the extremely common practice of college sports information departments inflating heights and weights, Crabtree has shrunk from an anticipated 6-foot-3, to 6-foot-1 3/8 and 214 pounds
February 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
That’s ask Bill Walton.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
I like Curry, but I have a funny feeling that he will be gone by #7. If Rey falls to #7, then that may be a possibility. You think Brace will fall to the 2nd? From what I seen of Raji (per youtube), he was a force, but may be a bit too small and overrated. I did see that he was manhandled at the Senior Bowl. But the draft as we all know is a crap shoot. Hopefully the coaches can choose well this year. Parts of ‘07 and ‘08 were good picks (steals). Hopefully Branch can step it up…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:24 am
M Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
Black is black, I want my baby back (unless: “If they don’t want to be here then the hell with them.”
Grey is grey, (how’s the weather in Danmark today?)
What can I do?, when IIIII’m feeling blue (not really)
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Los Bravos.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am
Left foot for Crabtree
February 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
M
This is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVWNZPOUhO8
February 21st, 2009 at 10:28 am
Marley Esq.,
been a long time. Good morning.
and so, in the end, the Stanford man, the one anointed by you a year ago, will do his greatest work by simply leaving and allowing the Raiders to save $6 million dollars. I say, good enough godspeed to the ex-Cardinal, ex-Whiner, ex-Raider. (Must of us cannot say that our absence causes joy among the citizens of a Nation, nor that our departure saves anyone that much money.)
February 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
What’s Up Hwnrdr?
Love Cushing, but I don’t think we’d have a shot at him in rd 2, and 7 is certainly to high to take him.
If u can find a way to get him on the squad, that would be awesome!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
ExLA,
thank you sir. I enjoyed Los Bravos. very cool.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am
Hey M…
Lol…I knew you wouldn’t let it go…
In my defense, I never said I wanted him to become our starting LT, that was Cable’s idea….I thought he could play for us in the right side at G or T.
I still think he may be able to play there for us, if he’s willing to sign for the vet’s minimum, I would bring him back and give him one last shot, if it doesn’t work out you just release him.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am
Heard this coming down the pipe but didn’t want it to happen. Al said leave the 4.5 milly on the table and they said no, and this is the result.
Don’t know if its positioning or not but the raiders have talked about moving ahead of cincy to take A. Smith, that’s if the lions do not grab him at 1.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:41 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
M
This is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVWNZPOUhO8
My take: Los Bravos was good but LOVE and Arthur Lee ruled!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
Marley Esq,
just having some fun with it. Don’t know about the further experimentation. Alex Smith continues to wake up in a cold sweat remembering the last time Harris tried the right side.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
Andre Smith is a big bust waiting to happen. Guy can’t get himself ready for the combine at all. Pathetic. No way!
All teams draft for a combination of need and best available. Especially the bad teams. Using the logic of best player available, if Stafford is considered a top 10, do the Raiders pick him? What if Knowshown Moreno runs a 4.2 on the 40?
Its a combination thing. Raji is rated a top 10 prospect AND the Raiders most pressing need is at DT.
I am willing to bet cash that Morrison is not being considered for replacement. Guarantee it.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
I agree JHill…Cushing will be too high at 7. Dreaming, but wouldn’t it be nice to have Cushing and another lb on the team…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:49 am
M
Yeah, it’s cool…
I’m thinking one final shot at RG for the minimum and that’s it.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
No to Crabtree (what exactly is a crab tree? I have seen blue tree crabs in the Tuamotus, but never a tree of crabs of or for crabs alone.), no to Macklin, no Maualuga, no to Raji, just say offensive tackle and go from there.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
Why dont the Raiders draft a Defense coordinator this long haired drunk/ truck driver wana be really sucks,,,,,L.T. from san diego always runs agaisnt the raiders 180+ yards and 3 td i’ll bet you when he sees raiders schedule next sunday he says ohhh stats game coming up.. Al you are stuck in the 70s……..sell the team..
February 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am
S&B: I don’t think that Stafford will get past the top 3, but even if he was available, I say we don’t get him. What kind of message would that send to JRuss? I agree about Smith, though. Didn’t he plan to forego his Sr season prior to the bowl game? Some have said that Smith just put himself before the team, and that is what we do not need!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:54 am
Huh? Post 414
February 21st, 2009 at 10:54 am
Marley Esq.,
notice I didn’t refer to him by name to see if the knuckleheads around here would figure it out (I knew you would understand). Names seem to derive Pavlovian responses from the crowd.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
[...] Word is the Raiders are looking at bring back Jerry Porter but Jerry McDonald does not believe it so. Raiders also cut DE Kalimba Edwards and WR Ronald Curry and ex-Giant SS Gibril Wilson. [...]
February 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
Hwnrdr,
I used Stafford as an example of why “best player availabe” is not the best way to draft. Especially for a struggling team like the Raiders. That’s what I meant.
The Raiders need a defensive tackle AND Raji might be available at 7. Great player and fills a huge gap on the defense. Kelly/Warren/Sands are terrible.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
Hwnrdr,
aloha bra,
re: post 416. You could repost Huh? throughout the day after nearly every other post and it would most likely be the appropriate response.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
S&B-
Hey man, I’m just telling u what I hear. I’m def not saying I agree with it. The only OL person I wanna see us grab is Mack and that could be done later, although I’m told he WILL be a first rounder as well.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
If Monroe and Taylor are off the board at 7, we better not consider OT. Smith and Oher are not worthy of the #7 pick.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
I got ya S&B. Best player available is still a crap shoot. Look at Grove and Gallerey.
M…I know what you mean…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith, not Taylor. Andre Smith and Oher not worthy of of 7.
My bad.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
God I get tired of reading all you idiots speculating as to whom we might draft, etc….What difference does it make? Al will F it up, and we will continue to suck. Enough said.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
JHill (Rey Rey at @ 7) Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
If Monroe and Taylor are off the board at 7, we better not consider OT. Smith and Oher are not worthy of the #7 pick.
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Agreed. Monroe and Taylor just cemented a top 5 pick, maybe top 3. I wouldn’t draft Smith in the 1st round period. How can someone with that opportunity not be ready to go. No way I pick Smith.
Oher needs some work, but he is still 1st round…probably mid to late. But Smith, man he lost some money today
February 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Ok, let me try another way, LOL.
Wouldn’t you say the coaches have done a pretty good job of sitting people on defense they don’t think are productive? Hall, Huff, Wilson, Edwards, Routt, etc.
Why is it that Warren and Sands have not been let go?
Is it at all possible that the coaches disagree with those of you who say they are not productive? Is it at all possible there are other factors that THEY consider to be holding back our run defense?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:09 am
Also not taking Crabtree either. He is only 6′1 and he his speed is average. Plus he played in a video game offense so his numbers are inflated.
I gotta believe the Raiders 1st pick at 7 has to be on the front 7 of the defense.
Of course, here’s hoping Malcolm Jenkins is off the board given that Gibril Wilson got released.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am
Dakota Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
God I get tired of reading all you idiots speculating as to whom we might draft, etc….What difference does it make? Al will F it up, and we will continue to suck. Enough said.
My take: kudos to this poster. Why do the rest of you fader fanz think that all of a sudden Big Al has come out of his coma?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am
Viva Las =)
February 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am
Dakota,
so, you are saying that McDaddy at #4 was a f&Ck-up? And JFranchise, and Miller and Bush and JLH and Schilens and Mario and Tyvon and Scott? Pretty decent f&Ck-ups recently I’d say.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
Umm…Big Al hasn’t come out of his coma but he did make some out of the ordinary moves.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
Umm…Big Al hasn’t come out of his coma but he did make some out of the ordinary moves.
My take: he certainly did and in doing so has guaranteed the faderz will dwell in the cellar if the AFC West for years to come.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
thats not Dakota
February 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
Hey, I’ve got no problem with liking the Raiders, don’t get me wrong, but why lie to yourself? Al lost it about twenty-five years ago and he’s not going to regain it any time soon, at least not in this lifetime. I guarantee he will botch this draft, just like he always does.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:26 am
Oh, I’m me, all right, 4eva, but the question is, are you you?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
4evaRaider Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
thats not Dakota
My take: hey, hey, hey if it’s not he’s smarter than the normal fader fan.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dakota Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:26 am
Oh, I’m me, all right, 4eva, but the question is, are you you?
Now that’s a question for the ages.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:32 am
Thanks, TBFH. You’re not so bad yourself.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dakota Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:32 am
Thanks, TBFH. You’re not so bad yourself.
My take: this poster better beware or fader nashun will turn on him and call him names.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
me me ???
February 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
So if we had no intentions of taking Crabtree at #7, and because of this injury he slids out of the top 7, it kind of screws us a little. And if DET doesn’t take a QB, we might be looking at 2-3 LT’s gone before we draft, and the best DT, DB and LB gone as well.
What if Curry, Raji, Jenkins, both LT Smith’s and Monroe are all gone when we pick? Who do we grab?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am
If people are going to ‘turn on me’ for speaking the truth, for saying what I believe, then so be it. I am not afraid. I’m my own man.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Vegas our ankles
February 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
What if Curry, Raji, Jenkins, both LT Smith’s and Monroe are all gone when we pick? Who do we grab?
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highly likely scenario regardless of the crabtree injury. Mauluga is the choice.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
ok I promise 2 slow down its only 1500 but daaaaaaaamn these fosters are SWEEEEEEEEEEEt 2day =)
February 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am
I think Curry will go top 3. Maualuga just may be there. But…that depends on the FA, if any. Keep your eye on a DB, especially if he runs a very fast 40…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
I think the real question you need to ask yourself here is……
Do you like dags?
Go Raiders!!
February 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
Hey Vegas, you’re right. Detroit may be looking to bolster their defense, so Stafford may be on the boards for a while. The Rams may take him because Bulger didn’t turn out to be Kurt Warner. Although, their line sucks, also. So they may skip on qb, too. If Stafford reaches to KC, he may go there.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Gotta agree with Inmans’ article.
Gruden is great on NFLNetwork!
Him and Mooch are hilarious and they have great football knowledge. I like seeing them both give Dukes a hard time in a funny way!
Good stuff!
February 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
J-Hill,
I hear the Rey-Rey talk, just worry a little about the USC high picks not really performing up to there draft standards. The Seattle LB was probably been the best pro of late, and he was a 2nd or 3rd (can’t remember) pick, so I like the Matthews kid in round 2 maybe.
Hwndr,
Can’t see KC taking a QB with the new GM from the Pats. He watched late picks Brady and Cassell excel, they probably will grab Curry. So if DET passes on Stafford, we may have a great opportunity to trade down as no QB’s will be off the board yet at #7
February 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
That would be a great scenario Vegas. Al has never traded down, but he also hasn’t admitted mistakes as of late, also. Never know!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Curry, Edwards…fine, WHY WILSON?
I still can’t believe this. I guess we will roll with Rashad Baker then? He was good when he was in there, but I don’t think he can lay the wood like Wilson can.
We should have at least tried to trade him instead of out right cutting him.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
J-Hill,
I hear the Rey-Rey talk, just worry a little about the USC high picks not really performing up to there draft standards. The Seattle LB was probably been the best pro of late, and he was a 2nd or 3rd (can’t remember) pick, so I like the Matthews kid in round 2 maybe.
Hwndr,
Can’t see KC taking a QB with the new GM from the Pats. He watched late picks Brady and Cassell excel, they probably will grab Curry. So if DET passes on Stafford, we may have a great opportunity to trade down as no QB’s will be off the board yet at #7
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hmmm… now that is interesting…
getting a call from a team wanting to trade up solves a lot of problems for us…….
February 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
If we suck again next year,(which we very well might, we probably have the hardest schedule in the NFL)then we need to draft Talor Mays, I know that is thinking WAY to far ahead, but all of a sudden we have huge problems at saftey. I wish that kid would have come out this year, damn.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Voldemort Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
If we suck again next year,(which we very well might, we probably have the hardest schedule in the NFL)then we need to draft Talor Mays, I know that is thinking WAY to far ahead, but all of a sudden we have huge problems at saftey. I wish that kid would have come out this year, damn
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Great, more defensive backs. If this team is terrible again, all one will have to do is look at the run defense.
This Raider team hasn’t been able to slow down the run in 6 years. Coincidentally, the worst 6 year stretch in league history.
This draft will say a lot about what the Raider priorities are.
NFL Rank:
Defensive Sacks – 13th
Pass Defense – 10th
Run Defense – 31st
Points Given Up – 24th
I know what I would focus on if I were the GM. Of course I am not….
February 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Crabtree is out 8-10 weeks. He may not even be able to have a pro day workout. This will possibly cause his draft status to slip.
The Raiders may have a legitimate shot at him with the #7th pick now. Very interesting….both Andre Smith and Crabtrees’ stock seem to be slipping to the #7 pick.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I hope Crabtree slides to us because of his foot issue. According to NFL.com, Terrel Owens and Jonathan Stewart each had basically the same operation. TO’s was awhile back; didn’t seem to affect his play (too bad they couldn’t have screwed his mouth closed while they were at it, though) at all. Stewart had his right before the draft. like Crabtree will, and Carolina still took him 13th overall. He doesn’t show any ill effects, either.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Avoid Smith and Crabtree in the draft. Most important predraft weekend and Smith shows up out of shape and overweight. Crabtree suffers strss fractures. I wouldn’t want to gamble on them. Especially Smith. poor work ethic.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I hope Jason Smith is available at no. 7 he looks solid as hell and could be our solution to our problems at RT.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Exla… Crabtree suffered A stress fracture, not stress fractures, plural. I’m an endurance athlete, and while I’ve never had one myself I know several people that have and have healed and been fine. Once you get it fixed properly, it’s not a chronic thing. You get it fixed and move on.
I know some in here will say, well it’s the NFL and that’s different, but those folks don’t do Ironman.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Gruden great on NFL network? Gruden would be great here. Al Davis is the one who’d be great on the NFL network. Oh, but they wouldn’t hire him. After all, they’re covering the 2009 NFL, not the 1963 NFL. Davis loyalists like to mock Davis’s adversaries that are now out of the league…as if Davis would be in the league if he didn’t own a team.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Paul Kruger DE from Utah might be a good 2nd round selection, 15.5 tackles for a loss last season. Watched this guy one game and he was a beast, just plain relentless.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Avoid Smith and Crabtree in the draft. Most important predraft weekend and Smith shows up out of shape and overweight. Crabtree suffers strss fractures. I wouldn’t want to gamble on them. Especially Smith. poor work ethic.
I wouldn’t rush to judgement on Andre Smith just yet….lets see how he does at his Pro Day before some of you rush to judgement.
His weight is down to 330, and he says he hasn’t worked out as hard to be ready for the combine. If he keeps his weight at 330 or maybe 325 at his Pro Day that will be good. If Andre Smith slips to the 10th spot in the draft….some team will be lucky enough to get a potentially DOMINATING RT.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
LMN – I almost feel like crying… how more of this can I take? I really ask myself, why do I care, and when should I stop caring???
LMN, I didn’t raise no whiners. Act like you have a pair. Suck it up son!
February 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I’m betting that if Andre Smith comes to Oakland Cable and Micalchuk will work him so hard he won’t have to worry about his weight.
Those guys are old-school line coaches, and if Cable’s statements during the offseason are any indication our linemen are going to work very, very hard. Terdell and Kelly had better be ready, too.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Gruden great on NFL network? Gruden would be great here. Al Davis is the one who’d be great on the NFL network. Oh, but they wouldn’t hire him. After all, they’re covering the 2009 NFL, not the 1963 NFL. Davis loyalists like to mock Davis’s adversaries that are now out of the league…as if Davis would be in the league if he didn’t own a team.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Michael Crabtree might just make a great receiver. But so might Hakeem Nicks or Jeremy Maclin. Crabtree is only 6′1, so forget comparisons to Fitzgerald, Owens or Moss. His speed is in question and he played in a video game offense.
And why on earth would the Raiders take a chance Andre Smith. No way…That guy is a late first round pick.
Focus on defense and in this order!
1. Aaron Curry
2. B.J Raji
3. Rey Maualuga
4. Brian Orakpo
If any of these 4 are not available then TRADE THE PICK DOWN! All the way down. Hell, right on out of the 1st round for all I care.
DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE
February 21st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
S&B… all due respect, but Crabtree IS a great receiver. There isn’t a pro scout out there that doesn’t think he is.
41 touchdowns in two years. I don’t care what offense got you into the red zone, once you get there you have to get it done. 41 touchdowns is remarkable. Especially when they know you’re going to get the ball.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
What they need to do is put certain training and weight clauses in their contracts to insure the fitness. Football prep is now a year round endevour and with these large contracts, failure is no longer an option.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Gruden on the NFL network is must see TV. This is better than Entorage. Looks like I’m going to need alot more tissues.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 1:33 pm
What they need to do is put certain training and weight clauses in their contracts to insure the fitness. Football prep is now a year round endevour and with these large contracts, failure is no longer an option.
^^^^
Agreed!
February 21st, 2009 at 1:42 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 5:10 am
# darkknight01 Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
# Unknown Says:
February 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Lawton was as physical as Griffith, plus much cheaper. The only advantage he has over Luke is pass receiving. Why would you want your FB to catch a lot of passes anyway!!
^^^How about another critical area of need which is LEADERSHIP. FB’s need to catch the ball in certain situations…..you don’t want a hands of stone FB. Blocking FB’s who can catch the football are the type of two dimensional FB’s that are needed in this league. Plus O’Neal is not going to be ready and I don’t trust Lawton. A FB needs to be drafted late in tbis years draft.
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finally some wit here! DarkKnight, I agree with ya! on lamost everything you’ve said in this thread… (Gibril was a leader too)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I might agree as well if you knew how to spell correctly. shhhhh
February 21st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Crabtree has a stress fracture. Like Bill Walton? Like Sam Bowie?
Please Al, pick an offensive tackle or a defensive end or a middle linebacker.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Edward Teach,
Crabtree might well develop into a great receiver. I don’t doubt that. Any player rated as a potential 1st round pick, let alone a top 10 pick certainly has star power.
However, the Raiders right now need to be focused on fixing that pathetic defense. 31st against the run is an abomination. To focus on the offense suggests that the Raiders are capable of getting into shootouts week-in and week-out. They may get there someday, but not next year.
The best bet is to have a defense that can keep this young offense in the game. A defense that doesn’t get down by double digits in the first half so that the offense doesn’t have to go out of its game plan.
Plus receivers can be had throughout the draft and I’m not sure any receiver in the draft is that much better to what’s on the roster now.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Exla… I think they do that already for some players when they sign, although I can think of a couple of guys on our roster that should have had those things written into their last contracts.
Don’t know if Al’s that type of owner, but I agree with you that these guys make way too much money and have way too many people counting on them to be out of shape.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Cut Harris already, and Sands too!
February 21st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
The Kansas City Chiefs and the Oakland Raiders may be in the market for a left tackle in the draft.
They have to be careful about Alabama’s Andre Smith. He is showing signs you don’t want to see out of a top prospect.
A couple of months ago, Smith was considered a top candidate to be the first pick of the draft. Smith is still a top prospect because of his immense football talent. But Smith’s growing off-field concerns could cost him.
The Chiefs have the No. 3 overall pick and Oakland has the No. 7 pick. The Raiders are more likely to be in the market for a tackle than Kansas City but it wouldn’t be a shock if the Chiefs opted for a tackle.
Again, Smith is certainly worthy of the Chiefs and Raiders’ attention because of his skills, but both of these teams cannot afford to take a risk.
The draft is loaded with tackle talent this year so there are other options. Gambling on Smith just may not be worth it for the Chiefs and the Raiders.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:55 pm
S&B… we are completely on the same page when it comes to run defense. The consensus seems to be, though, that the receiver group is top-heavy this year and that there’s more depth in the lines. Also, don’t know if you had a chance to read it or not, but I posted a link to an interview with Tony Sparano and Cable that was done at the combine. They talked exclusively about the offensive line, but I thought it gave great insight into Cable’s mindset when it comes to linemen in general. He looks for talent, of course, but he wants guys that are going to be relentless for four quarters and then want to fight you in the tunnel after the game. Here’s the link:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ed3d33&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
February 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Edward Teach,
I read the article and also heard an interview he did on Satellite Radio. Cable is going to look for hard work guys and is going to rely on his techniques and not be influenced by polls, draft status etc…
He’s going to be looking for guys with good athleticsm too. I think that Smith and Oher are not his type of guys. My guess is he will find someone in the 2nd or 3rd that will get things done for him.
I hope Cable’s influence will persuade Davis to absolutely NOT DRAFT Malcolm Jenkins. That’s my biggest fear. No knock on the guy BTW, just that the Raiders have more pressing needs and have invested too many picks in the secondary
February 21st, 2009 at 2:08 pm
S&B
Get real, Davis just shelled out some serious money to lock up Nnamdi and C.J. for the next 2 or 3 seasons, he’s not gonna draft Jenkins and pay 20 another million for a third CB.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:12 pm
S&B… I hope you’re right about Jenkins. I looked at the number of DBs he’s drafted in the first round (easy to lose track, you know) and man, there’s a lot of them.
Hopefully he’s waiting on Taylor Mays next year. And hopefully we will have won enough games that we won’t be in a position to draft him.
Was the radio interview the same one as the one on the website?
February 21st, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Edward Teach,
The interview was on Sirius Radio. He talked about getting the job and hiring the staff. He also spent time discussing Russell’s development. Said he is already in the building working with Hackett and that they are assuming nothing and working everything bottom up. Said Russell is ready to be the leader.
Said he is optimistic about the team and the way they played down the stretch. Talked about attitude and players having a desire to be a Raider.
It was a good interview. Also talked about Henderson and the receivers.
Wasn’t that far off of what the interview posted on the website.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
By the way, if we draft an Offensive Tackle at 7th and he can’t beat out Henderson, we would have the highest paid Right Tackle in the NFL.
Vernon Carey is the highest paid as of now, he signed for 6 years and 42 million, about 16 guaranteed.
Last year the 7th pick got around 19.5 million guaranteed money, which means we’re gonna pay at least 20 million guaranteed to our guy.
Do we really wanna make some kid, who hasn’t taken a single snap yet, the highest paid RT in the league?.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Thanks, S&B. I’m really starting to like the guy, and it seems that the team is behind him also. Nowhere to go but up, right?
Gotta run. Nice talking to you.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Bob… I’m a Crabtree guy, and have been from the start. No argument here.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I dont like the fact that we let gibril go, he was a good player for us. I guess you cant have that much money spent on db’z, with huff nnamdi and cj’s big contracts, we couldnt afford him, Id rather have him than huff. MH better pick it up this year or he’s toast. We need to get rid of Kwame and Walker, and Sandman too. Hurry up n cut em…
February 21st, 2009 at 2:32 pm
DHall, Wilson…waiting for JWalker…
Best front office in footbal
FIGHTING IT OUT WITH THE LIONS FOR WORST FRANCHISE IN FOOTBALL…ACTUALLY LIONS HIRE SCHWART AND ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION..
CORRECTION…RAIDERS ARE THE WORST FRANCHISE IN FOOTBALL
February 21st, 2009 at 2:33 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
By the way, if we draft an Offensive Tackle at 7th and he can’t beat out Henderson, we would have the highest paid Right Tackle in the NFL.
Vernon Carey is the highest paid as of now, he signed for 6 years and 42 million, about 16 guaranteed.
Last year the 7th pick got around 19.5 million guaranteed money, which means we’re gonna pay at least 20 million guaranteed to our guy.
Do we really wanna make some kid, who hasn’t taken a single snap yet, the highest paid RT in the league?.
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Well, let’s think about that for a second. If we have a guy number 7 overall that cannot beat out a 3rd rounder that has played very sparingly for two years, either Henderson is a tremendously great find or we really shanked our scouting. We would then have maybe the best BARGAIN at LT in the entire league. Not a bad prospect. The point being is if we have TWO excellent LT prospects, that is a very HIGH CLASS problem to have. I WISH we had that problem. That was like when the Whiners had Montana and Young.
Right now, we arguably have the worst set of offensive tackles in the entire league which has led to tremendous problems for our entire team. Let’s say the guy at #7 cannot beat out Henderson. Well, you can always ship him out, and I mean trade him. What if he does beat out Henderson, which to me, does not seem like a huge longshot: well, then you have a marquee left tackle, and you can move Henderson over to the right side for the next 8 years. Seems like a pretty solid solution to a very pressing problem.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I agree Aram I thought Gibril was the lone free agent acquisition who actually earned his money last year.
The guy played hard for us probably not worth the big bucks and probably wouldn’t restructure his contract.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I am Sam
Good movie
February 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Gibril Wilson didn’t wanna play for the Raiders anymore plus he wouldn’t restructure his roster bonus and he got released. Yeah it leaves us with a whole but with Tywon Branch coming back it’s not that huge of a whole that we can’t fix. Look now for the Raiders to contact Dallas about safety Roy Williams. A real physical intimidator safety we haven’t had since Atkinson and Tatum. Jerry Porter maybe a short gap stop for us if we can’t pull off a trade for Ocho Cinco. I wouldn’t give Porter alot of guaranteed money again though, he has to prove himself all over again if he wants to really come back. If this happens, look for the Raiders to go all out to sign Julius Peppers away from the Carolina Panthers. I heard we are shopping DE Derrick Burgess right now and Carolina would be a great destination for him to go. We could trade Burgess, a pick this year and a future pick next year. If we sign Peppers, and say OT Khalif Barnes? This would be absolutely great!!! We could then concentrate on the draft. Players on the team would surely restructure their contracts if we were to try and make a run at a Julius Peppers. I know Nnamdi and Chris Johnson would be estatic.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I would like to see us have a dominating RT weather he is the highest paid in the league or not. As long as we manage to fit it under the cap, I couldn’t care less, it’s not my money, and I care more about winning than I do about Al’s bank account.
I would love to see us draft Andre Smith or Mike Oher first, and then some how trade back into the late 1st and get Alex Mack or Max Unger. However, we need to help our run defense as well. I think drafting Jasper Brinkly to play MLB could help alot with that though, and we could get him in the 4th round probably. Not only would it be an upgrade at MLB, but Morrison is a DOMINATING SLB! It is his natural position, and he would be a HUGE upgrade over Ricky Brown, or whoever.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I will now GUARENTEE that Cable will NOT allow the old man to draft Jenkins!
Write it down…..the RAIDERS WILL NOT DRAFT MALCOLM JENKINS!
February 21st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Cant wait to see who drops to us in the 2rd. With crabtree injury if macklin runs a sub 4.3 watch out he could leap him.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Early in the season Gabril looked good. But later in the season you could see him mail it in. Games where the defense did not show up, who is responsible?? Sands?? Jamarcus??? Sorry, but Kelly, Morrison, Wilson and Nnam are one, two, three and four in that department. Wilson was brought here to provide leadership, not watch guys waltz into the end zone turn to their team mates and say, “that was EZ.”
February 21st, 2009 at 2:46 pm
And BTW we are not going to take Malcolm Jenkins. I would find it hard to believe Cleveland would not grab him before us, especially if Aaron Curry is gone before 5 which is a distinct possibility.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Jason Smith is the only guy who looks like a #7 pick so far. Monroe only put up 22 reps, and Oher 21. Oher is messing up some of the drills too.
Wood and Unger look really good as multiple position Olineman. Might be worth our #2 on for of those guys.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I think the Raiders should draft Marcus Jenkins. He is one hell of a Corner. Perfect for the Nickel packages until he takes over as a starter.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Mauluga is going to have to light up the combine to get back into the projected top 20 on NFL Network. Right now Laurinitis is #11 and Rey Rey isn’t even in the top 20. Curry and Orakpo are both in the top 5 as OLBs. Raji is #14.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Just checkin in with my dear friends,…hey man I paid my invoice yesterday and am once again on schedule to receive a great gift card from the Raider Image for paying in full quickly,…so Im all ready for 2009,..and by that I mean Im ready to get drunk and stoned again on sundays…as for today, Im on 3rd Norco,..feelin great.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The draft pick will be Crabtree,..thats a lock,..only Seattle can stop it, not any of you.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
If the Raiders draft Marcus Jenkins then Gibril Wilson or Nhamdee could mentor him.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Crabtree has a stress fracture in his foot that needs surgery and will keep him out for at least 10 weeks and WILL cause his draft status to plummet.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
According to KoolKell we should draft CB Marcus Jenkins! lmfao.
Next up KoolKell will start in on his “Jay Richardson to LB” routine.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I have a question for the Davis die hards…
If Al didn’t own the Raiders, name one team that would hire Al Davis, in an capacity, today. Let’s hear it. I need my afternoon laugh.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:14 pm
MR,..you are of course wrong again,..Im in noooooo way miserable today,…nice combo of Norcos and Budweisers,…couple tokes too of some hash,..killer buzz goin,…you on the other hand, as usual, just unhappy,..jealous…hey I hope things get better for ya bro….good luck.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Glenn,…(ya right its glenn),…only losers like you MR ask “what if” questions,..too bad for you that you are drowning in your own failures that you need to try and find fault in successful people,…hey the bottom line is Al owns an NFL team and you are spending your saturday complaining in a blog,..Al wins, you lose.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Boob
I see you are still a drug addled addict that has zero clue about football. Just an excuse to abuse more drugs and your miserable little existence.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Oakglen the Detroit Lion’s would I mean after all they hired Mat Millen.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I suggest you people in here that do nothing but complain,..maybe go get high,..have a beer,…enjoy life,..more to life then wasting your time in a blog exposing your incredible jealousy…my opinion of Al Davis is hes a great owner,..in the hall of fame,…globally respected,…but there are those like sports talk losers and people with no life that like to throw daggers in a blog,…lol,…poor losers.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
“Ding” “Ding”
Round two of the Norco Bob and MR “chat fight” is about to begin.
Maybe they are the same person like in that movie fight club?
February 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
MR,..you are fooling nobody in here anymore, and you havent for a long time. lol
February 21st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Multiple MR in here, hey MR, I am hip that youre insane,…maybe you were born crazy, but likely you developed it over the years,..you have been here years ya?…lol…hey I am out, take care all,..(all being MR)…lol.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The cutting of Calimba Edwards signals the transformation of Jay Richards into a MLB. Mark my words Davis lackeys.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Getting Crabtree would be great at #7 because his contract will not be as high as a normal #7 pick because of his injury.
His contract has a chance to be heavily incentive laden with injury clauses since he wasn’t able to workout at 100% for teams.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Guys dont get hung up on Wilson he wasnt that great and complained, we are getting rid of thoses guys.Raiderforlife Boston MA otnom@netscape.net
February 21st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The cutting of Calimba Edwards signals the transformation of Jay Richards into a MLB. Mark my words Davis lackeys.
^^^
Huh??? That would be one of the dumbest moves ever!
February 21st, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Voldemort Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
“If we suck again next year,(which we very well might,”
My take: I have no doubt that the faderz will suck again next year.
“we probably have the hardest schedule in the NFL)”
My take: just another fader excuse.
“then we need to draft Talor Mays, I know that is thinking WAY to far ahead, but all of a sudden we have huge problems at saftey. I wish that kid would have come out this year, damn.”
My take: even if the faderz can get him next year it will be way too late to help this hapless team.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Highest paid RT (draftee) and lowest paid LT Mario. Or highly paid though not unusually highly paid LT (draftee) and lowest paid RT Mario. Either scenario works for me.
If McQuistan is the answer as some of you suggest, then I hope it is a question by consensus between Michalczik and Cable. All I see is that the Raiders have ONE and only ONE legitimate starting OT on the roster as of now, Mario. Not TWO, ONE. Capische?
Protect JaMarcus Franchise. Grab an OT and move on to the next round.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Norco Bob Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The draft pick will be Crabtree,..thats a lock,..only Seattle can stop it, not any of you.
My take: Norco Bob Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The draft pick will be Crabtree,..thats a lock,..only Seattle can stop it, not any of you.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
M Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Highest paid RT (draftee) and lowest paid LT Mario. Or highly paid though not unusually highly paid LT (draftee) and lowest paid RT Mario. Either scenario works for me.
If McQuistan is the answer as some of you suggest, then I hope it is a question by consensus between Michalczik and Cable. All I see is that the Raiders have ONE and only ONE legitimate starting OT on the roster as of now, Mario. Not TWO, ONE. Capische?
Protect JaMarcus Franchise. Grab an OT and move on to the next round.
My take: I’m the lowest paid dick sucker, (sometimes I pay), but I’m cool with it.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
So, is Rashard Baker our SS now?
February 21st, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Lydon Murtha, Jamon Meredith or Alex Boone are all looking like decent RT picks in the draft. We could get Murtha or Boone in much later rounds.
…and I am calling it now, after Robert Ayers runs the 40, he is gonna rocket up the draft boards, we will be lucky to get him in the 2nd.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:54 pm
# Voldemort Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
So, is Rashard Baker our SS now?
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No. Rashard would most likely play the weak side and Mike Huff would play the strong side. Hiram Eugene and Tyvon Branch would back up both positions. Eugene is still most likely listed as lst on the depth chart but Rashard outplayed him.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:55 pm
BBB, this guy Lydon Murtha is an athlete that’s for sure.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Crabtree should fall to us with his boken wheel. The question is: Is he worth the risk.
The NFL doctors said it wasnt a big deal, but on the other end he already wasnt considered fast. Thats heavy.
I think Jason Smith just leapfrogged over crabtree to the top of my big board.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Darkknight01,
Injury or not Crabtree is not taking an incentive laden contract. His pay will be slotted based on where he is dreafted. Its already predetermined.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Crabtree having a stress fracture in college does not bode well for him in the pro’s. Look at Dmac. He was never hurt in college and he got hurt immediately. #7 is BIG money to pay a guy to sit in a soft cast on the sidelines.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Sup NATION???
February 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Hey, everyone. Got a question for the nation. If Al Davis weren’t an NFL owner, would he be in the league today? What team would hire Al Davis, and all of his wisdom, as GM? Name a specific owner who’d hire him, and rest on Al’s expertise to get their team to the Super Bowl. Come on, I need a laugh.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:24 pm
LOL. I think the answer would have to be no one, Unknown. But it’s not about winning. It’s about supporting the Raiders no matter what, and discussing meaningless third string players to distract people from how bad we are.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:25 pm
# Unknown Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Hey, everyone. Got a question for the nation. If Al Davis weren’t an NFL owner, would he be in the league today? What team would hire Al Davis, and all of his wisdom, as GM? Name a specific owner who’d hire him, and rest on Al’s expertise to get their team to the Super Bowl. Come on, I need a laugh.
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Shut your hole, that’s who would hire the Legend of Al.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I think New England would hire Al Davis. Bill Belichick has said that he admires Al. So, do the math. If Belichick admires Al, it would be a steal to get Al Davis at GM and let him run the show. Who would you rather have???????? Belichick?????????? Or the guy he admires???????? Oh well. New England’s loss. Just so happens, we still have the greatest mind in football, right here in Oakland.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
So, Turd On The Run (fitting name, btw, for YOU), you can’t come up with a team that would hire Al Davis? Wow. We have a GM that nobody in the league would hire. That speaks volumes as to our chances of winning a Super Bowl any time soon, doesn’t it?
February 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Is my butt is flat enough for you Oakglenn?
February 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
# RaiderTay Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Crabtree should fall to us with his boken wheel. The question is: Is he worth the risk.
The NFL doctors said it wasnt a big deal, but on the other end he already wasnt considered fast. Thats heavy.
I think Jason Smith just leapfrogged over crabtree to the top of my big board.
^^^As of now….Jason Smith is going to St Louis at #2 most likely….
February 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Do you have to Troll others just to get an answer you want Turd?? You troll are a dumbass loser.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Is my butt is flat enough for you Oakglenn
Give to some bum that wants it.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pm
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February 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I have named myself after you troll.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:41 pm
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February 21st, 2009 at 6:44 pm
GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU 408, WHERE YOU BEEN ?
February 21st, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I’ve been working 2 jobs and my PC broke down on me… So I decided 2 stimulate the economy and buy a new 1….
February 21st, 2009 at 6:55 pm
MISS’D YOUR POINT OF VIEW, GLAD YOUR BACK, WHAT’S YOUR OPINION ON NnAMDI / LECHLER SIGNING’S ?
February 21st, 2009 at 7:03 pm
226
im stoked about nnamdi… Im on the fence about Lechler I mean the dude’sjust a punter but if big Al wants to give him a ufck load of money then good 4 shane.. Im still worried about the O line and Mcfragile tho..
February 21st, 2009 at 7:21 pm
The only logical choice is Crabtree. Do any of you follow the Raiders? Are you aware how many catches the leading wr on the team had? Oh brother.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I remember reading some post talking about Bear Pascoe…here is some info from the combine:
Bear Pascoe/TE/Fresno State: Pascoe is considered more of a pass catcher, yet he was the slowest tight end on the field. He never broke 4.9 seconds in the 40 and looked very sluggish in pass catching drills.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Here is a nice little tid bit about Crabtree:
Want versatility? The best WR in this draft, Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech, can also play quarterback. He starred at the position as a junior and senior in high school. He could have played hoops for Bobby Knight, too. (He now is dealing with a stress fracture.)
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3923822
February 21st, 2009 at 7:51 pm
My question stands, losers.
What team out there would hire Al Davis as GM, you know, for his expertise and keen eye for talent (lol), if he were not an NFL owner? You guys still haven’t answered. Just some stupid nonsense about “in al we trust”.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Oakglenn, I know Kiffin sucked. I really hate Cable, though.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
This just in…Im in the Hall of Fame and youre not. That sir is called scoreboard. Once again, you keep losing. Bad habit of yours.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Mayock has changed his player rating dramatically. I had Curry as #1 overall and now he does, now that the Detroit Lions are talking to him.
I had Robert Ayers in the top 2 or 3 DE’s now he has him rated as the top Dlineman. Which I’m not sure i agree with but Ayers size and skill are impressive. Crabtree is awefully good but I would like to see him run the entire route tree.
Personally I haven’t seen a DT that worthy of a top 10 pick but Rey-Rey and Curry and Cushing IMO will all go in the top 10. Also the DE from USC I think should rise and approach the 1st rnd.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Mayock has changed his player rating dramatically. I had Curry as #1 overall and now he does, now that the Detroit Lions are talking to him.
I had Robert Ayers in the top 2 or 3 DE’s now he has him rated as the top Dlineman. Which I’m not sure i agree with but Ayers size and skill are impressive. Crabtree is awefully good but I would like to see him run the entire route tree.
Personally I haven’t seen a DT that worthy of a top 10 pick but Rey-Rey and Curry and Cushing IMO will all go in the top 10. Also the DE from USC I think should rise and approach the 1st rnd.
My take: STFU buttholeprick you bore me to tears.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:37 pm
If Crabtree needs surgery, can’t he schedule his own workout for teams ahead of the March 26 Pro Day at Texas Tech? This way he can run the 40 and have the surgery done about 3-4 weeks sooner and be recovered 3-4 weeks sooner? Is there some rule against it? That RB from Wyoming, Devin Moore, who wasn’t invited to the combine held his own workout for scouts already.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Some people are so freakin dumb it’s ridiculous.
Who drafted these players?
Nnamdi, T SCott, T Howard, K Morrison, Z Miller, JLH, Chaz, J Richardson, MBush, DMC, JRuss, and added a lot of UDFA’s like T Kelly, R Curry, H Eugene, and so on.
If you think that other GM’s don’t have hits and misses, then it just shows how freakin dumb you are. The draft is a crap shoot at best…..it is not an exact science.
The Pittsburgh Steelers do the best job in the draft year in year out IMO because the same coaches and scouts have been there forever. They have a system and a style of player they want. And they screw up on player evaluations all the freakin time.
Dumbell
I’ve said it a thousand times if you can get 40% of the players you draft to be quality starters you have a great program. There are just too many things that can go wrong and they usually do or else thet draft would be held every other year. But the life of the average player is 4 years. And that’s not because they die off. This is just a very demanding game that weeds even the most talented and dedicated players OUT.
Everyone in here just about raved over DMC one guy called him the best HB to ever come along over Sayers and OJ even Jim Brown. Haven’t heard from him lately have ya’. You just NEVER know for sure until the career is over. Matt Forte should’ve been drafted a lot higher. Jarod Mayo should’ve gone a lot higher.
How did Joe Montana last until the 3rd rnd?
IT is not an exact science…………….period
February 21st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
darkknight01 Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The cutting of Calimba Edwards signals the transformation of Jay Richards into a MLB. Mark my words Davis lackeys.
^^^
Huh??? That would be one of the dumbest moves ever!”
What the hell do you know? Whole lotta nada!
February 21st, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Some people are so freakin dumb it’s ridiculous.
Who drafted these players?
Nnamdi, T SCott, T Howard, K Morrison, Z Miller, JLH, Chaz, J Richardson, MBush, DMC, JRuss, and added a lot of UDFA’s like T Kelly, R Curry, H Eugene, and so on.
My take: DUH! It was your daddy Big Al.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:56 pm
my take: yuk fu
February 21st, 2009 at 9:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 8:56 pm
my take: yuk fu
My take: another buttholeprick ass kisser.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
True Blue Fader Hater
my take: Your head is so far up your ass that you have to blow your nose to fart.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:14 pm
S&B-on your earlier post(#337 at the time i read it)you make a prediction about the Raiders if Kelly,Sands,and Warren are still on the team.since you totally over react to any moves we make,and since almost all your previous predictions have been wrong,i’m not worried.in fact,that might be a good sign.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
True Blue Fader Hater
my take: Your head is so far up your ass that you have to blow your nose to fart.
My take: typical juvenile fader comeback. Big Al’s breeding is showing in these loserz.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Lefty
Who in the hell do you think you are?
February 21st, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Gibril Wilson getting bounced signals the transformation of Tomas Howard to play Strong Saftey. You guys will thank me later.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm
True Blue Fader Hater Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
True Blue Fader Hater
my take: Your head is so far up your ass that you have to blow your nose to fart.
My take: typical juvenile fader comeback. Big Al’s breeding is showing in these loserz.”
Is that all you got? muahahahahahaha
February 21st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm
True Blue Fader Hater Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
True Blue Fader Hater
my take: Your head is so far up your ass that you have to blow your nose to fart.
My take: typical juvenile fader comeback. Big Al’s breeding is showing in these loserz.”
Is that all you got? muahahahahahaha
My take: this poster couldn’t handle what I got. He should go to work selling Tupperware for butthole prick.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm
BHP, rather than read another one of your long winded diatribes, why not just give me the short list of teams that would hire Al Davis as GM if he weren’t owner of the Raiders. Let’s say Davis loses the Raiders somehow. Some lawsuit or something. What ever. Roll with the hypothetical. And let’s say Al Davis’s services as general manager and top personnel guy are now available for hire. Who hires him, BHP? What team? What team? Remember, Al is capable of building a Super Bowl team. So surely, teams would be falling over themselves to hire Al Davis as GM, right? What teams would try and get him? Come on. Give me my Saturday evening gut laugh.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Unknown, aren’t you the troll who can’t find his ass with both hands and help from his gay posse??
And the True Blue Fader Hater, when no one will ass ram him, he goes out to the forest and sodomizes himself with a stick.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Oakglenn, can you tickle my fancy?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Troll don’t you have any imagination? you have been posting as oakglenn and maddenraider for days now. Don’t you have anything to do? It’s Saturday night. Don’t have a date do you? You know, fat, bald and stupid is no way to go thru life son.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
unknown, next time you visit the pro football hall of fame, please come visit my area, they have dedicated a whole wing of the building for me,…um,..unknown, tell us all,…where can we go visit a place to see all your great accomplishments?….lmao!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Mr. Davis all you have to do to find Unknown’s and fader haters great accomplishments is look up some dudes rectum.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Zzzz….:(
February 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Turds,…easy on MR,..thats one troubled dude.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:20 pm
If you ever want a case study in mental illness,…go look back at this blogs archives,..MR very prominent in here,..several years ago,…you think he tells anyone in his real life hes been doing this?…maybe he doesnt even realize it anymore that hes been living a double life,…Im curious if it ever comes close to spilling into his real life…but make no mistake,…MR is a sick man, he can no longer tell where his real life meets his internet life,…his double life,…but now all he has in his miserable life is to come to a place where he cannot be seen and spew his bitterness and jealousy,…so all in here should go easy on MR,…hes sick.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=withbigmoneyonthelinemic&prov=tsn&type=lgns
February 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
BTW…576 explains us ALL! lol
February 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Vee are all vell aware of dis maddenraiders psychological deficiencies. He is a case study und vee have found his problem. He has what is known as “Keine Schwanz” or “No Dik” syndrome. See he comes to bully others on this internet, and when he himself gets bullied, he runs away, hence the No Dik Syndrome name.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 am
Kein Schwanz, Herr Doktor, nicht Keine.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 am
Germans rule!!!
Get some DT’s on this team, MACH SHNELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 am
Just skimmed through the past eight hours of posts. Not a single one worth reading. That gentlemen & ladies is talent of a form that this or any universe shall gladly shed once this small backwater planet and her most venal lifeform, human type beings, are dealt what they most deserve. Deselection.
10% brain usage? Some here might strive to use .000001% of their brain cells as a vast improvement. Disgusting.
Raider on.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 am
Funny Cable didn’t mention DT as an area of need for the draft. Kelly / Sands scholarship?
Funny Harris isn’t cut yet. Scholarship?
Entering FA and the draft the needs seem clear but the scholarship factor is the unknown.
Pick draft choices before FA is silly.
Needs -
Back-up QB
True #1 WR
RT
RG (Carlisle is FA I beleive)
C (Grove FA)
DE (According to Cable)
DT (Although the Raiders may not think so)
SLB (or a MLB w/Morrison move under new DC)
SS
This team needs linemen badly. The offense could end up with a 60% turnover this year.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:16 am
I still don’t understand cutting a starter to only save 1 mil. on the salary cap?
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:21 am
BHP..Have you given up on McFadden?
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 am
jesus, that must have been a troll who used Oakglen’s name, when he stated the New England would take Al Davis as GM!
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 am
C_Fan…
good to see ya back! where have you been?
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 am
COW…
yup, thats why I was so pissed about us releasing Gibril, he might not want to be here, so what? lets start with the ones that dont DESERVE to be here…
Harris, Sands, Kelly, Yvonne… All Alvis Whitted players..
I predict Kalimba to have a 2005 D. Burgess year, would be fair =)
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 am
Man that story about Northeastern’s Brian Mandeville, is almost heartbreaking…(woaw – no pun intended)
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 am
JHILL..
you said that you didnt believe the bucs wanting to re-sign Buchanon… when I showed you my source you said you still didnt believe in it… will this help??
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RE-SIGNING BUCHANON HIGH ON BUCCANEERS’ AGENDA
Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 21, 2009, 6:24 p.m.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are intent on locking up unrestricted free agent cornerback Phillip Buchanon to a long-term deal, which has become the team’s highest business priority since franchising wide receiver Antonio Bryant and re-signing quarterback Luke McCown and defensive tackle Ryan Sims.
According to Scott Reynolds of Pewter Report, Buccaneers General Manager Mark Dominik met with Buchanon’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, on Friday at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis. Dominik also met recently with representatives for wide receiver Michael Clayton and strong safety Jermaine Phillips.
“I had a very good conversation with Drew on Friday and we understand that we’re going to circle back and talk some more for the next few days and see if anything makes sense for both of us,” Dominik said. “I’m constantly talking to the agents of our players to see if they match what we’re willing to do and what makes sense for us. I’m not ruling out anybody right now depending on what they want to do and what we can do.”
As for Bryant’s recent gripes about the restrictive nature of the one-year tag, Dominik said he remains in touch with the receiver’s agent, Lamont Smith.
“I understand where they are coming from,” Dominik said. “I have a good working relationship with Lamont Smith and I have a lot of respect for Antonio Bryant as a player and hopefully we’ll find a way to make both sides happy. But I’m glad he’s part of our team.”
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 am
Hej LMN! I’ve been here all the time, but basically just read instead of writing anything, because there are so few people that have anything to say about football other than argue and throw insults at each other.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 am
The one good thing that I see right now is that players who ARE performing are getting the money while others who bitch, don’t perform and have big contracts get cut.
Go with some young dudes and try to give them a chance. Even HUFF deserves a chance now! Come on HUFF! Get something going!
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 am
GOOD MORNING GENTELMAN, WHAT TIME IS IT IN YOUR PART OF THE WORLD L M N,? COPENHAGEN-FAN, DO YOU GUY’S THINK THE RAIDER’S WILL GET ANYTHING FOR DERRICK BURGESS?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 am
Cable is doing what should have already been done in this blog, cutting the whiners and complainers that create a negative experience while bringing down everyone else. Wilson was terrible in coverage and never delivered the big hits a safety with his salary is expected to produce.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 am
sec226..
its past 2 o’clock in the afternoon here… 14:10…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 am
LOL, I knew you were going to post that article, I saw it yesterday. What took you so long?
Your point was still mute as the whole topic was about you wanting Dre Bly if he was cheap. Buchanon was still a bust in Oakland AND in Houston. And so what if he’s going back to a cover two defense as the nickel corner. SO WHAT! Dre Bly would still suck in the Raiders defense, cheap or not.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 am
I still don’t understand cutting a starter to only save 1 mil. on the salary cap?
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They cut him to save the actual 7 million in real money. Al has never cared about the cap. It’s never been an issue. But Wilson certainly wasn’t playing like a 7 million dollar a year safety. And when he didn’t adjust his salary? See Ya!
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 am
Jhill..
man sometimes you are a fool…
you said he was a bust, and i asked you if you meant the raider or the bucs version… because he has been a 1st round pick worthy in the cover 2 scheme..
some here said they liked bly, I said, only if he was cheap.. mostly because we are low on CBs..
I said this over and over again, and each time you wrote something else…
fact is I was right about Bucs wanting to re-sign Buchanon, because they think he is good, in their scheme… SO HE IS NOT BUST…
we were idiots to draft a guy not suited for our demands… just like hall… gibson…huff(?)
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 am
# JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 am
I still don’t understand cutting a starter to only save 1 mil. on the salary cap?
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They cut him to save the actual 7 million in real money. Al has never cared about the cap. It’s never been an issue. But Wilson certainly wasn’t playing like a 7 million dollar a year safety. And when he didn’t adjust his salary? See Ya!
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he didnt play like a 7mio SS, hmm well I think he did, he played better than any SS has done in Oakland since Rod..
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 am
man sometimes you are a fool…
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That’s an insult where I come from, so you can just stop talking to me if you feel that way.
I don’t know what you’re problem is, but once again you’re arguing AGAINST YOURSELF. You admit once again that you wanted bly. Reasons: If he’s cheap, and because we’re low on corners. You just said it again.
What’s the problem?!?!?!?
In my opinion (there, is that better?) again, I say IN MY OPINION Buchanon IS A BUST. If you think that he is a “————” (you fill in you own adjective) player, then good for you. A high first round draft pick CB that FLOPS with two different teams before settling in as a role player on a team that run primarily zone is a bust first round pick in my book.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:43 am
hmm well I think he did, he played better than any SS has done in Oakland since Rod..
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LOL, well apparently Al and Cable disagree with you. I guess were all fools, LOL!
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 am
Section 226- The sad truth is that when we get rid of players we rarely get anything of value in return! I don’t expect Burgess to get us anything big.
We usually just cut guys or give them away for very low round picks, without getting any value….Lamont Jordan, Dominic Rhodes, Fabian, Randy Moss etc etc.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 am
oh Jhill…now I get it….Al used the same strategy on Wilson that he used with Kiffin, save some money out of his own pocket instead of thinking of the team ha ha
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 am
The only financial matters that concern me are figures that affect the Cap and our ability to win. Not overpaid guys, who Al broke the bank for in error.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 am
you are right that was an insult.. I seldom use those, but it was fit this time..
again you pay to much attention to the bly thing, it was in a conversation, with someone who wanted him, I said, I ONLY wanted him if he was cheap, he would be great on ST, and could be a nickle… but he had to be cheap!
X: I think we should take Bly…
LMN: I dont think thats a good idea..
X: I think we could get him cheap..
LMN: he has to be very cheap, I then can see him here..
its not like I was actually advocating for the guy..
The raiders were the fools to select Buchanon (he cant chose whom to draft him), and TEX was even stupider (and Buchanon was stupid as well), when they knew how he were in M2M in oakland, with TEX having the same scheme.
Monte Kiffin on the other hand, he knew he could get a cheap man that fitted his scheme… so good that Morris now wants to re-sign him, something you believed was untrue…
I never said I WANTED buchanon or Bly…
But hey conflicting posts from you isnt a new thing, I said prior to the senior bowl we should draft Jason Smith, you said NWIH would we draft SOME tackle out of BAYLOR… Something you said after the Senior Bowl as well, and then suddenly a few weeks later we can see JHILL saying he could see us drafting Jason Smith.. I still dont know what to make of that..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 am
CF,
Huh ?!?!?
How can you compare those two scenarios? Cutting a safety that the team didn’t feel was performing and who didn’t want to be here vs the firing of a coach?
Apples to Oranges.
Do you really think he played like a 7 million dollar a year safety? It’s well documented that they wanted him to stay, but he refused to restructure his deal and demanded his release. Heck, he quit half way through the year even telling reporters how he’s never been part of such a circus and couldn’t wait to get out of here.
What’s with all the fuss about guys who don’t want to be here? Let them walk!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:02 am
Florida Pete Says:
February 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
repost…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
wow…
there is a message here… and it began with the release of Hall…
play hard, play well… be at the top of your game and you will get paid…
if you don’t… you will be dealt with… one way or another…
if you don’t renegotiate… there’s the door…
it’s a little scary to release Wilson… considering the breath of fresh air he was after the disaster of the past 6 years…
but we do have guys already on the roster who can step up and fill those shues…
what’s needed more than anything is up front help… especially on defense… stud DT’s will make ordinary safeties and corners look very good…
with Cable’s clear influence, i think we have one of us (raider fans) in there moving this team in the right direction…
i look for a serious emphasis on bringing our O and D lines up to snuff… the D line needs more help than the O…
i have to say it… we are heading in the right direction…
keep in mind the message i mentioned above…
achievement = big paycheck…
under-achievement = smaller paycheck or no paycheck…
i am on board with Cable…
go get ‘em, coach…
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 am
achievement = big paycheck…
LOL, good one!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 am
Jhill- I think that the issue I was trying to point out and the correlation between the Wilson and Kiffin “firings” plays out like this:
1) Al knows he wants to fire Kiffin, but doesn’t because he doesn’t want to pay him 2 mil. He keeps a lame duck coach and forces his hand, almost begging Kiffin to sabotage the team so he can fire him for cause and save the money. Bad deal for the team, as valuable time is wasted and JaMarcus suffers for it, retarding his development.
2) Al thinks Wilson is a cancer who is badmouthing the management. He is 2nd on the team in tackles and although he doesn’t deserve 7 mil, that’s his salary, the very salary Al negotiated.
Al cuts Wilson and saves himself 7 mil, but only 1 mil on the cap, and still has to replace him, perhaps with another free agent who will probably extend the cap damage if it’s not a total bum.
Get my point?
My final point is….why can’t we work with these problem guys and get them to PERFORM? Why do we WASTE so much energy and money on guys and then give them the boot and get NOTHING in return?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 am
Florida Pete…but we don’t have stud DT’s? So we might as well have just kept Stu, I guess?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 am
Just pisspoor management by Al. And please don’t use the “at least Al admits his mistakes and takes action” excuse. That is just LAME.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:13 am
Ok LMN,
Now I see what every is talking about. You just a euro clown dude. You want to argue and throw cheap insults around, no problem. I’ll just keep killin you on the posts.
You can twist the Bly thing all you want, but ONCE again you say you wouldn’t mind him being one the team. What a clown! You say you want him on the team, but you argue with me that you’re not saying it, LOL! I didn’t say you advocated for the guy, I just reminded you that you said you wanted him on the team. Again, what’s the problem? Are you now saying you don’t want him under any circumstance? Or are you still ok b/c he’s still unsigned, bringing him in for cheap? It’s not that hard dude, I mean clown!
I absolutely said 3 weeks or so ago that I we wouldn’t draft Smith form Baylor. But the difference between me and you is that I don’t have to be right all the time. And wasn’t there a thing called the combine yesterday where OL guys were competing and working out? Think me seeing him compete with Monroe and Oher might have had something to do with that?
Conflicting posts, LOL!!!! I’m not wedded to a ceratain player like some of you are so you just might see my opinion change. Isn’t that the point of the combine and pro days? For these players to improve their images?
Once again, you are a effen clown!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 am
CF,
I agree that the Wilson deal ended up bad for us. But Al wanted Wilson to stay, but Wilson didn’t want to be here. Not quite sure that overpaying him to stay is the answer. What else could we do but cut him, especially with Branch (another young player Al specifically singled out) waiting to take his place?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 am
JHILL..maybe try to trade Wilson? He’s not a horrible player with no value. He was pretty good on NY. I’d like to see Branch get the chance absolutely, but we should have had the best D-backfield in the NFL last year, and ended up breaking the bank on 2 guys who we cut.
Maybe it’s a good sign that people who don’t produce get cut. I have no problem with that, but when you have guys with some value, it would be nice to get something for them when you realize they didn’t pan out.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 am
And I still don’t think we will draft Smith or any OT at 7. LET ME MAKE THAT CRYSTAL CLEAR, so I don’t come on here reading some crap about JHill advocates Jason Smith. Mario is our LT and you don’t take RT that high in the draft.
But if Al does select an OT, it had better be one of the top 2 on the board, as with any position drafting at #7. You want the top 1 or 2 guys from a postion, not the 3rd or 4th best player. So if Jason Smith works his way up to the top 1 or 2 spots at OT, good for him. I still say we need to go with a LB at #7 or DE.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 am
Jhill..
you shouldnt write angry, you trip over some words…
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 am
We should take that kicker who can bench more reps at 225 than most of our linemen ha ha
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 am
I think we do trade players when we can, but there isn’t alot of value for those guys at the time they are released. Remember we did try and trade Jordan. He was told to stay away from mini camp while we tried to trade him. He ended up signing with NE as a 3rd string back, and only played when Maroney and Faulk got hurt. Same with Rhodes. He was signed as a backup and only got run when Addai went down. We got a 4th for Fabes who was benched for Routt. Fabes got run when McAllister went down for the season. You know Al is going to always try and get something. Just not sure what the market would have been for Wilson with the team trading for him having to give up a draft pick and pay that 7 million.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 am
Yeah, and dude ran a 4.6 as well. Another USC product. Dude should work out at LB or someting, LOL!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 am
JHILL good point. Nobody in their right mind would trade for Wilson and pick up that heavy salary. Good point.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 am
Jhill..
you shouldnt write angry, you trip over some words…
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LOL, is that the best you could come up with clownboy? You want to be my spellcheck guy now? Why don’t you check my posts for grammar and spelling, edit them, and then repost them for me. At least then you’d be adding some value to this board.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 am
Damn I wish we needed a placekicker, you guys really need to see the all around combine performance of USCs kicker. It was amazing.
WHY IS DUDE A KICKER?!?!?!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 am
his bonus was only 4.9.. the rest was paid… still a bundle though..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 am
Jhill…
LOL, at least you dont hide behind some fake moniker..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 am
Hey LMN,
I used alot instead of a lot …
Could you clean that up for me, and repost it?
Thanks!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 am
grammar police is in another precinct, im only the name police..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 am
but you shouldn’t write angry.. try to relax..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 am
In college, we got an F on any paper that contained errors such as “alot” instead of “a lot”. I always remember that one ha ha.
Back to the Raiders.
Since AL is trimming the fat, I think he should go 100% youth movement. Don’t try to reload. Dump the turds and trade down and stockpile picks and fill the roster with young guys who will kill for success.
No big time free agents, and hold continuity in the coaching staff. Give it 2 years and see what happens!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 am
C_Fan..
you know he wont… this team is packed with Alvis Whitted guys…
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 am
his bonus was only 4.9.. the rest was paid… still a bundle though..
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Wilson, due a $2.5 million salary and a $4.5 million roster bonus in March, was signed to a six-year, $39 million deal last offseason
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Your grammar may be good, but I see you skipped a couple of math classes.
Teacher : Class … what is 2.5 + 4.5?
Anyone? Anyone?
LMN: 4.5 ???
Teacher: Nooooooo.
Anyone? Anyone?
Little Johhny: Uh, 7?
Teacher: Good job little Johnny.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Bueller ??? Ferris Bueller ???
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 am
but you shouldn’t write angry.. try to relax..
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don’t throw in the white towel already! I thought you wanted to go a few rounds?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 am
LOL Pete, I started to go with that, but LMN is no Bueller. LOLLLLLLLL, oh that is funny!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:53 am
Jhill..
in a trade, the new team will have to pay the bonus, and the salary will be on the old team.. so they had to pick up the roster bonus on 4.9…
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 am
# JHill (vs. LMN) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 am
but you shouldn’t write angry.. try to relax..
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don’t throw in the white towel already! I thought you wanted to go a few rounds?
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you are the classic example fro the “us and them” culture..
I only corrected you, that you were wrong in that you said Bucs wouldn’t re-sign Buchanon… and you were fired up..
thats why I said sometimes you are a fool… but i guess its the culture speaking..
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 am
and you still shouldn’t write angry…
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:53 am
Jhill..
in a trade, the new team will have to pay the bonus, and the salary will be on the old team..
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Are u serious? The old team has to pay the salsry? LOL! This isn’t even a fair fight. I’m done with you. Go argue with the other clowns about middle eastern philosophy, wars, soccer, and all that other crap and leave the Raider football talk to the grown ups.
Beat it!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
well against the cap the old team sticks with the, inbound yearly, salary..
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
you are the classic example fro the “us and them” culture..
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WTF does this mean? Oh, you’re a little angry and mistyped something?
LOL! Clown boy strikes again!
Ok I’m really done now!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 am
Jeremy MaClin.
I think we need to add this guy to the mix, I believed this guy was smaller but he’s been officially measured at 6′0, 198, that’s legitimate NFL WR size.
In fact, MaClin’s background kind of reminds me of Tim Brown coming out, Brown was almost the exact same size (6-0, 195), had the same kind of blazing speed (4.38 forty) and was known for both his return and receiving skills.
MaClin is not only a speedster, by all accounts he has very good hands and will go over the middle.
The Tim Brown comparison was mine and it maybe too much, but I have also heard the names Torry Holt, Steve Smith and Joey Galloway when speaking of MaClin.
If you want a comparison from last year’s draft, think of a better sized DeSean Jackson, he’s supposed to have the speed, acceleration and separation ability usually reserved for smaller players.
Let’s see how he does today.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 am
# JHill (vs. LMN) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
you are the classic example fro the “us and them” culture..
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WTF does this mean? Oh, you’re a little angry and mistyped something?
LOL! Clown boy strikes again!
Ok I’m really done now!
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LOL, of course you dont get it.. do you know anything – besides raider-history??…
The “us and them” culture, is like you, Bush, and many others… you define yourself(the “Us”) by what you ARE NOT.. and everything thats not “us” is bad, almost evil-like, therefor, everything thats an “them” must be a threat, by the reason, that its not an “Us”…
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 am
That certainly puts Maclin back in the conversation Marley. Big say for the wideouts today, should be a good look.
It’s not out of the question for us to add a good young WR to the mix. A big factor might be what we have in the 6′1 195 Armond Shields.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 am
I’m not saying we take MaClin just yet, just that he may be someone to consider, earlier mock drafts mentioned him as our pick and I thought they were insane but after looking into the guy, I’m intrigued.
Specially considering Crabtree’s injury and the fact that he’s not really that big, the players Crabtree has been compared to like Fitzgerald and T.O. are 6′3 225, they need their size to dominate and Crabtree is 6′1, 214…MaClin is not that far behind at 6′0, 198 and he’s supposed to have elite speed and RAC skills.
Maybe MaClin first and OT second?.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:18 am
Hey Dum Dum, I mean LMN,
you just continue to amaze us. The WTF was for the word you used between “example” and “the”. Take a look!
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you are the classic example fro the “us and them” culture..
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You really are a short bus candidate.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:23 am
I actually like the Wood kid from Louisville in the 2nd, or maybe Unger b/c they can play both G and C. Unless of course we resign Grove. If we do go OT in the 2nd, Britton and Loadholt looked good yesterday, and project to be outstanding RTs. Just wonder what that would mean for McQuistan. I don’t see him as a wasted draft pick, so he’d have to be plugged in at RG.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 am
LMN…to be fair, I can think of very few countries in the world that are more “us vs. them” than Denmark
But have to admit that JHILL is trying to discredit your arguments by framing himself as a real Raider fan and you as an outsider ha ha
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 am
Bob Marley…If MaClin is a bigger version of Action Jackson then that would probably be the right deal for us.
Do you think he can step in right away?
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:30 am
I’d love Max Unger. When is he projected to go?
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am
JHill
Yeah, there will be quality OL available with the 39th pick (2nd round) and even with our 71st pick (3rd round) and if we plan on keeping Henderon at LT, it makes a lot more sense to draft our RT in the second round instead of in the top 10.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 am
Just pisspoor management by Al. And please don’t use the “at least Al admits his mistakes and takes action” excuse. That is just LAME.
There you IDIOTS go blaming everything on Al. Don’t you realize that the man is a football god and a mastermind?
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 am
Butthole…I’d blame Kiffin, but he’s not here
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:38 am
CF,
LMN is discrediting himself. Grown ups does not translate to real Raider fans. Grown ups translates to non juvenile conversations, even if we disagree. You and I didn’t agree on every point, but it didn’t degenerate into a silly conversation. Same with Marley. He can talk about Maclin without me getting crazy b/c I think Shields might be the guy.
But it is what it is. It’s Sunday, it’s a great day, and I’m done with the madness. Looking forward to check out the combine in a half hour.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 am
But since Al is the acting GM, makes the contracts and signs the checks, then it would only be logical to blame him for huge contracts to guys that are cut in the middle of a season or right after the first season.
Try to explain how it works to an idiot like me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 am
JHILL..I have no problem with people that disagree with me. Just as long as their arguments are not personal and are logical. So I have no problem with your views not meshing with mine.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 am
Need an OT at #7.
A DT misses an assignment and it might cost you an extra ten yards.
An OT misses an assignment and JR could be done for the season.
Offensive line is the heart of a team. Cable will get an OT in the first round.
Will go with DT and DE in rounds two and three.We finally are on the right track getting away from high priced free agents.
We will go young in the secondary and WR with what we have today and rebuild the line through the draft.
This is playing out well.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 am
Copenhagen
I don’t know, WR’s usually take some time to develop but if we start Schilens and JLH we can bring MaClin along slowly, but then again, Jackson eneded up with 60 plus catches and over 900 yards as a rookie.
At least he would see the field on certain packages, screens and stuff like that.
Having McFadden, JLH and MaClin on the field at the same time gives you 3 guys who can score from anywhere on the field.
And let’s not forget that Schilens at 6′4 225 ran a 4.38 last year.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 am
Butthole…I’d blame Kiffin, but he’s not here
It’s all a joke to you guys. The Raider Nation would be nothing without Al Davis. My insiders told me that there will be more changes come. Unlike any you have ever seen before.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:45 am
Marley- I assume that he would be on the field 33-50% of the time giving us some major pop and explosiveness with the other guys.
My only concern is, should we make that move, and pass up somebody who can come in a start full time right away?
As you say, there is value down the line on the OL, so maybe it’s worth it. But then we still need to address DE!
Anyway, I think you’re right, but then we have to understand that we are 2 years away and stick with that plan and not try to get it all done this year.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 am
Butthole..insiders? Inside your butthole?
But no, it’s not a joke to me. The joke is ON me, because Al has taken my beautiful daughter of a franchise and turned her into a crack smokin’ pock-marked, strung out ho’.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 am
I was talking to some of Raider management last night and I’m really impressed with who they have slotted for the draft. Mr. Davis is still showing he has what it takes. I promised I wouldn’t leak out my information but I’m so happy to see that the Raiders are going to pick Beanie wells with the number 7 pick. Kudos to Al Davis.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 am
Copenhagen
That’s right, I find it hard to predict who we should take on Round 1 without going over what would be available in rounds 2 and 3.
I usually say take the best player available if you have a top 10 pick and look for need in the following rounds.
Of course, you leave out certain positions with your 1st pick, in our case, we are not taking a QB, RB, TE or CB in round 1.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 am
Marley….I fully agree. Although, I like the idea of taking OL in the following rounds instead of at the 7 position. So WR or DE or LB is the deal in my thinking.
Let’s NOT blow it!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 am
If we draft a WR that high, he needs to be starting from day 1. If we don’t think Maclin or Crabtree can beat out any of the guys we have now, I say wait until they later rounds to get a WR.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 am
Is BJ Raji worth the 7th pick?
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 am
It’s amazing to me that a lot of these RBs are outperforming the OL on the bench press. Am I the only one trippin off of that?
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 am
I´m actually starting to hate our position in this Draft, at 7th there are no clear-cut favorites.
The “safer” players like Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith and Aaron Curry will be gone, Crabtree and Andre Smith have issues now, Raji and Oher are very talented but inconsistent and with some character issues.
Seems to me like Everette Brown, Brian Orakpo and MaClin come with less question marks, even if Brown and Orakpo are strictly edge rushers at least you know what you are getting, same with MaClin.
I don’t know, there’s still plenty of time and a lot can happen.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 am
lmn is a loser homo who watches soccer, like a little girl.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am
I don’t think Raji is worth the 7th pick to the Raiders with the investment in Kelly and the Warren/Sands combo still on the roster. Or with the huge hole we have at LB with only Morrison and Howard signed, and us needing a physical presence in that group.
I’d like to see Curry or Orakpo at SLB or Mauluga or Laurinitis at MLB as our first round pick. Whoever ends up tops on our draft board at those positions.
Wood in the second, and a DT in the 3rd, hopefully Brace, Hood, or Maola.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am
Not to start with politics as it’s not my style as I’m apolitical but I thought this was funny.
“BAIL’EM OUT! ????
Hell, back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country and our banking system to the same nit-wits who couldn’t make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!”
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am
WR is not happening until the second day of the draft if at all.
See Detroit last year.
With Miller, Dmac and Bush catching swings and screens and being a run first team we will not have a WR with more than 40 catches next year.
Look at what is unfolding.
We are getting back to basics. We have plenty of skill guys.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 am
Orakpos interview was pretty interesting. He said he’s played all 3 LB spots at Texas, and only went to DE with his hand on the ground this past year. It’s not a question of if he can play SLB, it’s already on tape. He was very confident and again, it was very insightful.
Ayers from Tennessee is another guy to keep on the radar..
Combine is very informative.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:17 am
Charlie,
Let Maclin come in here an run a cool 4.25, bust a 40 inch vertical, on top of him measuring a true 6 ft 200lbs? If you think he won’t be considered at 7 if that happens, then see Darren McFadden last year. We’ll know any minute now the WRs are working out now.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
testing
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
I think the question is value, is MaClin that much better than the guys who will be availabe in rounds 2 and 3?…same with the OT position, outside of Monroe and Jason Smith, are Oher and Andre Smith 20 million dollars better than everyone else?.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 am
testing….
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 am
Lot of fast DB’s in this draft you know what that means..
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Seems to me like only Brian Orakpo and Everette Brown are clearly better at what they do than the rest of the field, they say Ayers is good but he won’t be available in the 2nd round.
I keep coming back to those two players.
1st round.- DE Everette Brown-Brian Orakpo.
2nd round.- OT William Beatty, Loadholt or whoever is the best available.
3rd round.- A guy like WR Demetrius Byrd from LSU or a DT like Marlon Favorite, also from LSU.
4th round.- Stanford C Alex Fletcher, this is a guy I definitely want.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 am
I wouldn’t write off Crabtree. Listening to Mooch and Gruden talk, his foot is not that big of a deal.
As far as top-end speed, Gruden: “The guy scores 41 touchdowns in two years. I don’t care if he runs 4.38, 4.48 or 4.58… he’s a great player.
Mooch: “This just in; Jerry Rice ran a 4.5. He had a prett good career, if I remember right. I don’t need to see this guy run. We’ve all seen him on film, and he’s a great player.”
The general consensus was that he just needs to take the time to rest and recover, and he’ll be fine. Both of these guys have coached for a long time, and I would imagine they know what they’re talking about.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 am
JHill
We are not set up to take advantage of a prolific WR.
We have a developing QB behind an average Oline. We have a very good pass catching tight end.
We have the potential for a powerful running game.
Oline improvement must be the priority.
We have already seen what a highly skilled WR did with an average supporting cast with Moss. You think Maclin is better than Moss?
Don’t blame Collins or Jordan or Turner. A weak Oline was the cause of the problem.
Build the lines and start winning now.
Mr Davis already said as much when he pointed to the mess Detroit had with Calvin Johnson.
What about Ginn with the Dolphins in 2007.
We will not make the same mistakes.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 am
Read this as u evaluate LB vs. DT and tell me if Sand/Kelly/Warren are helping us.
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The question NFL teams are looking to answer between now and the April 25-26 draft is whether those players fit into a 3-4 or 4-3 defense.
The ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 have very different responsibilities than the ends and tackles in a 4-3. They’re primarily asked to occupy blockers while the linebackers make most of the plays, with outside linebackers providing the bulk of the pass rush. In a 4-3, ends and tackles generally are the main playmakers and are expected to generate most of the pressure on the quarterback.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edccdd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 am
Jhill…
come on, man… this is crazy… all i did was correcting you about bucs wanting to re-sign buchanon..
I said you were a fool, yup, but only because you brought up another conversation.. and distorted my words..
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 am
A brief and quote from Raider DT B.J Raji
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Another exceptionally strong area among the draft-eligible defensive linemen is tackle. The premier prospects in this class are B.J. Raji from Boston College, Peria Jerry from Mississippi, Fili Moala of USC, and Evander Hood from Missouri.
The 6-1½, 337-pound Raji missed the 2007 season because of academic ineligibility. But he did make a tremendous comeback last season, and that, along with a strong Senior Bowl performance, vaulted him to the top of the defensive tackles in the draft. He offers tremendous strength and shows the ability to consistently tie up multiple blockers.
Asked what kind of player the team that drafts him will get, Raji said, “I think they’ll get an overall defensive tackle who can do both — get to the quarterback, stop the run.”
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 am
Key words from my post 682:
“shows the ability to consistently tie up multiple blockers:
Raji sees himself as “an overall defensive tackle who can do both – get to the QB, STOP THE RUN”
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Key Raider Stat:
Raiders Run Defense: 31st in the NFL (2nd worse in the league)
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
Sorry:
2nd WORST in the league
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
Charlie… If Al Davis thought we couldn’t throw the ball Ted Tollner would not be here, and neither would Paul Hackett. Also, if you read and hear what Cable says about O-linemen you’d know that he isn’t necessarily locked in to top prospects. He looks for toughness, attitude and work ethic as well as talent and feels like guys with a great amount of both can be made great. Translation: they don’t have to be first-rounders.
The main problem with Miami and Detoit selecting WRs that high is that they didn’t have anyone to throw the ball to them. That is not an issue for the Raiders. Besides, I don’t think you can compare Ted Ginn to any of the top wideouts anyway. He was just a dumb pick.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
I think Caldwell controlled Raji pretty well in the senior bowl.. but I can see why you like the kid..
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 am
edward teach Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 am
I wouldn’t write off Crabtree. Listening to Mooch and Gruden talk, his foot is not that big of a deal.
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I changed my mind on Crabtree after reading he had the injury all year and played outstanding. NFL teams only found out about it after the intense exams given players. The 40 times are straight line speeds, not what you do after the catch, the jukes and cuts.
By the way, heres some early Sunday time for WR’s:
In the early goings of Sunday’s Scouting Combine workouts, a handful of receivers showed excellent footspeed.
Among them (unofficially), Deion Butler of Penn State dashed to a 4.28, Percy Harvin of Florida hastily put up a 4.37, Darius Heyward-Bey of Maryland blazed a 4.32, Johnny Knox of Abilene Christian nailed a 4.25, and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri made the clock stop at 4.40.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
exLA…
I wont be able to see todays combine until tomorrow, so I dotn know how they have fared this far…
but i like Robiskie in 2nd or 3rd..
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 am
Teach
I’m not counting out Crabtree due to his injury and I don’t care what he runs as long as it’s under 4.6.
What concerns me is that his game was supposed to be similar to Fitzgerald, Owens, Brandon Marshall, Marques Colston and those guys are all at least 6′3 and 225, Crabtree is only 6′1 215.
The guy has the longest arms at the combine so that helps but I´m not sure he can dominate NFL CB’s at that size.
It appears to me that doesn’t have enough speed to create separation and he doesn’t have the sheer size adavantage to overpower defenders.
I still like the guy but I’m not so sure he belongs in the Fitzgerald, Owens class.
Fitzgerald 6′3 225
Owens 6′3 230
Marshall 6′4 230
Colston 6′4 225
I won’t even mention freaks like Andre and Calvin Johnson who are just as big but can also run below 4.4.
I guess my problem is that I can’t find a player to compare him yet.
But like you said, Gruden and Mooch certainly know what they are talking about, I don’t.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am
Charlie, Post 679
Excellent post. A wide receiver in Oakland is not going to make a huge impact. Especially a rookie WR. It’s going to take a rookie a year or 2 to get a hang of being an NFL wide receiver.
Meanwhile other positions like OL and DL can come in and contribute right away on day 1.
Plus, Higgins and Schillens already have a leg up on any rookie coming in. I was for Crabtree until his measurables came in at a very average 6′1. The Raiders have too many holes right now to use the 1st pick on a receiver
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 am
Edward
We had Collins throwing to Moss and it did not work.
You have to have an offensive line that consistently protects the QB and we do not have that.
A good WR is not going to protect JR as much as a solid running game and a good Oline.
We have other weapons that will help a developing QB alot more than a fast WR running down the field waving his arms and jumping high.
What did Jake Long do for Miami?
They gave an average QB like Pennington some time and they turned it around.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 am
A good defense also protects the QB. When the defense can keep the score close, it allows the Raiders to stay within the game and not have to drop back and throw every down.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:23 am
Charlie and all..
The question is this, at this point it looks like Eugene Monroe and Jason Smith will be gone, it’s likely that Andre Smith regains his status and Cincy takes him at 6th.
What do we do if we only have Michael Oher available? I like Oher but he’s certainly a risky pick, boom or bust type of guy.
You stil take him?.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am
Bob Marley,
If OT is the pick, I would say no to Oher at number 7. How much better would he be than guys like Britton, Kropog, Meredith and others that will be there in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I would have to say no. I like Monroe and Smith for sure and more because those guys are more athletic and would seem to better fit Cable’s ZBS.
I still say go defense in round 1.
1. Aaron Curry
2. B.J Raji
3. Rey Maualuga
4. Brian Orakpo
Otherwise trading down seems to be a good idea. And for goodness sake, no WR
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
If I were picking for these teams I’d go with:
Detroit: Stafford, they have serviceable former 1st round picks Backus and Cherilus at T, they have 2 first round picks, they can afford to pass on another T here.
Rams: Monroe, seems like an obvious pick.
KC: Curry, Pioli-Belichik drafted Mayo last year and it paid off.
Seattle: Jason Smith, Walter Jones likely gone, they need to keep Hasselbeck healthy and they’re running Knapp’s offense now, they need some agile blockers.
Browns: Malcom Jenkins, they don’t have any CB’s.
Cincy: Andre Smith, they can’t afford to lose Carson Palmer again.
Oakland………?
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 am
—”Ohio State WR Brian Robiskie ran an unofficial 4.51 forty at the Combine. This is a fine time for the possession threat. At 6′3/207 with elite blocking skills, Robiskie has starting potential in a West Coast or run-heavy offense”—
I can see my kid, Robiskie did okay… man I wish for us to get our hands on this one..
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 am
I really like a receiver that can block.. I think he is exactly what we need to get healthy on O.. and then hopefully a LT or DT in 1st
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 am
My reason for an OT at #7 is this:
A DT misses an assignment and it might mean an extra ten yards.
An OT misses an assignment and JR could miss the season.
Th Oilne is the heart of your football team. It is the ultimate defensive weapon keeping the other team from having the ball.
I completely agree that the Dine is in AWFUL shape which is why I go DT in round two and DE in round three. Day two becomes best athlete available.
February 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 am
Bob Marley,
Interesting take…You have a QB going first? I think Detroit is shellshocked. They are going defense or O-Line
1. Detroit – Aaron Curry, OLB Safest pick and their run defense is worse than the Raiders
2. St. Louis – Eugene Monroe, OT Their line was garbage. Bulger can be good with help.
3. Kansas City – Brian Orakpo, Fewest sacks and the Pats have a history of building the lines
4. Seattle – Jason Smith, OT – Best player available and fills a big need for them
5. Cleveland – Malcolm Jenkins, CB – Thank Goodness, now the Raiders can’t get him
6. Cincy – Michael Crabtree, WR – No Housh and maybe no Ocho Cinco…Would have be OT but Oher and Smith are probably going to be right tackles now.
7. Oakland – Who knows…but it should be Raji or Maualaga…
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
I also heard Andre Smith left the combine yesterday without telling anyone.
He is probably out of the first round.
Monroe,JSmith or Oher appear to be the best available.
I would hope one of them will be available at #7.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 am
Charlie,
I agree with you about needing to upgrade the OLine. If Henderson didn’t step up and play like he did, then I would be screaming for OT at number 7 for the reasons you listed in your post.
Assuming Henderson is the guy at LT, I think the Raiders will find their RT in round 2 or 3 that can be the upgrade to Green. If the Raiders didn’t run the ZBS then I could see taking Oher or even Andre Smith.
But Cable is looking for other traits like heart, intelligence, tenacity. I bet he finds that in the interviews and will go 2nd or 3rd
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 am
S&B
Curry at 1st?.
I guess it could happen, but the last time a LB was selected 1st overall was 1988, you think Curry is worthy of that spot?.
I understand he’s supposed to be the safest pick, but man if I were the Lions I’d have a hard time giving a LB a 5-6 year deal worth 50 or 60 million.
And the Lions might have a shot at Laurinaitis and maybe even Rey with the 20th pick.
I guess, we’ll see.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
Robiskie will be a star in the league. Got routes, football smarts and decent speed. He runs as fast as Jerry Rice and that’s enough speed for me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Well, I’m sure you know Robiskie’s father played and coached for the Raiders, we didn’t get Howie’s kid but maybe we get Terry’s.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 am
Bob…agreed….although I’m afraid he’ll be gone before the 2nd round. My hunch is we’ll take either Raji or Oher at 7th.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Bob Marley,
The Lions said that they are going to negotiate with 3 – 4 candidates prior to the draft and use the number 1 pick to get some leverage. Albeit not a lot of leverage.
Regardless, I think the Lions are going either Curry or Smith/Monroe. I just can’t see them taking a QB right off the top given that there are a lot of question marks surrounding Sanchez and Stafford.
Remember, the Lions have not drafted well in the last 10 years. I think the GM is sensitive to that
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am
S&B
If Oher,Monroe and JSmith are gone by #7 that will tell you how important the OT position is to a rebuilding team.(Yes we are rebuilding).
As I said in my earlier post, I think Andre Smith has some real issues having left the combine early. We do not want another project.
That would leave us needing a DT at #7 and boping a Beatty(UConn) or Britton (Arizona) falls to the second round similar to Zach Miller.
I am not real comfortable with that strategy but at least we will still ahve a line focus on day one.
Forget about any more skill guys.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 am
Charlie,
I don’t think Oher is rating out as a top 10 pick anymore. Smith is too much of a gamble for a 5-11 team trying to turn the corner. I also think Cable looks at guys differently and wants a match for his system. That generally means slightly smaller more athletic guys. Does Oher fit the bill. Certainly Smith does.
I think the Raiders are going to grab a guy like Kropog, Meredith or Parrish in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
Unfortunately, Andre Smith’s meltdown eliminated any chance of Smith or Monroe falling to 7
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 am
S&B
Yeah, maybe they pass on both Stafford and Curry, settle on Jason Smith or Monroe and move Backus or Cherilus inside.
That would work for me considering they also have the 20th and 33rd pick.
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Robiskie is having a 1st round pick day at this combine
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
It just wouldn’t be wise to discount WR at 7. I’m the biggest LB at 7 guy we have on this blog, but if Maclin or Crabtree impress the coaches enough, I can understand the pick. Especially knowing that we can get knowing that we can get a starting Olineman in round 2 and a solid DT in rd 3. Too many holes to fill to lock into a certain player and position.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
They really need a rookie salary cap. Its ridiculous that a guy gets paid million guaranteed based off of college.
The 1st pick overall really doesn’t deserve much more than maybe $5M guaranteed. Seriously.
Make all rookie contracts 2 yr deals and let it fly
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
I think we should consider taking Smith, from Penn State. Nobody ever mentions him. If he’s not available, I’m leaning toward Hanson, from Wisconsin. Talk about a beast!
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 am
# alisgod (Pls draft Robiskie) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
Robiskie will be a star in the league. Got routes, football smarts and decent speed. He runs as fast as Jerry Rice and that’s enough speed for me.
# Bob Marley Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Well, I’m sure you know Robiskie’s father played and coached for the Raiders, we didn’t get Howie’s kid but maybe we get Terry’s.
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thanks both on acknowledging this kid, I was starting to think I was the only one =)
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:08 am
# S&B (The Raiders select BJ Raji, DT Boston College) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
They really need a rookie salary cap. Its ridiculous that a guy gets paid million guaranteed based off of college.
The 1st pick overall really doesn’t deserve much more than maybe $5M guaranteed. Seriously.
Make all rookie contracts 2 yr deals and let it fly
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I agree on the cap for rookies, but dayum, 2 years only.. dayum! but i like it! =)
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Oher and Andre played in the same Conf SEC. Andre had a better team yet Oher made first team all American and his team gave up the fewest sacks. Jason is nothing but a gloried workout Athlete. His film is not impressive. He reminds me of another converted TE Athlete that became overrated…Andre Wadsworth.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Pls draft Robiskie?
I don’t think he’ll be around in the 2nd rd, and I don’t think you’re suggesting we draft him at 7, are you?
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 am
JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
It just wouldn’t be wise to discount WR at 7. I’m the biggest LB at 7 guy we have on this blog, but if Maclin or Crabtree impress the coaches enough, I can understand the pick. Especially knowing that we can get knowing that we can get a starting Olineman in round 2 and a solid DT in rd 3. Too many holes to fill to lock into a certain player and position
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To take a receiver at number 7 given the plethora of needs on this team is risky. I would have to say that if the coaches think Crabtree or Maclin are going to become elite top 5 receivers then go ahead. BETTER BE RIGHT! With guys like Nicks and Robiskie available later, I would be disappointed in picking a WR that high with the issues at OT, DT and LB.
There are just too many good prospects on the lines and linebacker.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Jhill…no I dont think the Raiders will draft him at 7. However, I have never been a big fan of “do you draft a guy at 7 or 11 or 30th”. Let me ask you this. Should Ed Reed have been drafted #1 overrall in his class? He was drafted late 20’s. Who cares if you draft a guy at 7 or 30th, the bottom line is will he be a probowl player? If you had to draft Wes Welker all over again and knowing the way things have panned out for him, would you draft him in the top ten?
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
Raider needs:
LB – Only Morrison and Howard are under contract. There is zero physicality at this position, and that us unacceptable. Mauluga or Orakpo solve that immediately. Mauluga if you want a MLB, and Orakpo if you want an OLB. Curry will be gone.
RT – Green and McQuistan are still on the roster. I personally think that McQuistan will get this spot or RG. with Green being retained as a backup
C – Grove is a free agent, and he may be out of our price range. I like Wood from Louisville here in rd 2
RG – Carlisle is a FA. Is Cable planning another experiment like Gallery by moving Harris to RG? He hasn’t been cut yet, so wassup? If we resign Grove, I still like Wood in rd 2 to play RG.
DT – We need a 4th DT. Having only 3 DTs was a big problem for us last year. If we end up cutting one of our DTs, it becomes an even bigger need. DT in rd 3
DE – Need to start thinking about a replacement for Burgess. Plus we already cut Edwards. We may already have our 4 DEs with Burgess, Scott, Richardson, and Gunhiem. But will Burgess be traded, or stay healthy? DE in the 4th rd
Rd 1 Orakpo/Rey Rey
Rd 2 Wood
Rd 3 DT
Rd 4 DE
rd 6 DT
Rd 7 LB/STs
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
alisgod (Pls draft Robiskie) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Jhill…no I dont think the Raiders will draft him at 7. However, I have never been a big fan of “do you draft a guy at 7 or 11 or 30th”. Let me ask you this. Should Ed Reed have been drafted #1 overrall in his class? He was drafted late 20’s. Who cares if you draft a guy at 7 or 30th, the bottom line is will he be a probowl player? If you had to draft Wes Welker all over again and knowing the way things have panned out for him, would you draft him in the top ten?
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I agree with you. Especially given you only get 1 pick per round AND trading down is not always available. If the gap gets too large, then you have to explore trading up from 2nd.
If I ran the draft I would rank the position based on need and best available alternative. For example, DT = 5, OT = 5, LB = 4, DE = 3. Then I would score the players on some scale like 1 – 10 and then pick accordingly.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 am
How much work do you think a rookie WR will get with a run first team and developing QB?
This is not like the Colts drafting Gonzalez.
I am amazed that anyone who has watched the Raiders this season does not see poor lineplay as being a much higher priority than a WR especially after the Detroit mess.
No WR in this draft is close to Calvin Johnson.
All WR’s recievers need time to work. Without an Oline you have Kerry Collins to Randy Moss. How did that work out?
Let’s take a WR NEXT YEAR at number one.Our lines have been neglected for too long.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
Alisgood,
I’m sure the GMs would pay big money for that perverbial hind sight crystal ball you speak of. If the draft was done all over again knowing how those players produced, of course they would go higher. In theory I agree with you b/c I want Mauluga at 7. A lot of folks have him in the 10-15 range, but I’d take him within the first 2 seconds of us being announced as on the clock.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
Charlie says,
“Let’s take a WR NEXT YEAR at number one.Our lines have been neglected for too long.”
I wish that you could be in the draft room in late April.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Jhill
A fourth DT does you no good if the other three suck.
Most teams have starters that play 80% of their teams defensive snaps.
This is not a personal attack, but what the Raiders have done on their Dline is NOT the model upon which to build a winner.
The offensive line is not much better.
You have to take a look at the emabarrasments we sufferered at Baltimore and against the Falcons and Patriots. The Chargers generally push us around as well. The names you are tossing around are backups on every other NFL team.
We have not lost consistently over the last six years because of weak WR play.
We have a franchise QB. Protect him first.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
JHill says,
I want Mauluga at 7. A lot of folks have him in the 10-15 range, but I’d take him within the first 2 seconds of us being announced as on the clock
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Some folks have Raji at 5-10, I can only hope he isn’t taken by 7….
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Outside the box…
last year’s draft provided first round depth at RB. DMC, Stewart, Mendenhall, Johnson, Jones. This year there are but Knowshon and Beanie Baby no?
the two teams drafting directly prior to the Raiders have an aged Jamal and a much retreaded Cedric as their runners. would either Ohio team take a shot at Wells or Moreno (in my estimation an excellent talent)at the top of the first?
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Charlie, you are right. The game is won on the line.
Al Davis doesn’t realize this, which is why we have sucked for so long.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:51 am
For example, DT = 5, OT = 5, LB = 4, DE = 3
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A position that had 3 players on the roster gets a 5 as area of need vesus a position that isn’t even occupied getting a 4? If we lined up today, who would play SLB?
We just cut our starting DE and are shopping the other starting DE, yet that position is a 3?
It’s just your opinion that the current group of DTs need to be upgraded, but it doesn’t look like the coaches agree with you. It’s not that I don’t agree with you, that’s kinda immaterial. Again, look at the actions of the team. There has been zero moves made at DT, yet we changed or are changing the DC, the SS, SLB, and RDE.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:52 am
As far as Maclin, don’t the Raiders already have him in JLH?
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 am
I see you idiots are still throwing your 2 cents in. What does it matter what you think or who you want to draft? Mr. Davis calls all the shots. That’s why he is a very rich man and a genious and has brought us 3 superbowl winners. If he would have listened to just one of you we would have only been winning 5 to 6 games a year instead of being 3 time superbowl champs. Did any of you ever figure that you spend too much time wasting your time speculating what Mr. Davis is going to do? I have friends on the inside and I wish I could let you know what they are looking at in the draft. But if I were to let it slip yhat they are planning on drafting Beanie Welles with the 7th pick, they would never confine in me again. So I’m not telling you who the Raiders are picking with the 7th pick.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 am
You have to take a look at the emabarrasments we sufferered at Baltimore and against the Falcons and Patriots.
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You keep referencing these 3 games, but what did the DTs have to do with these games? There was no run game to speak of from Baltimore, it was the Joe Flacco show. He made 3 or 4 big plays that game for TDs, even caught a pass,
Atlanta was the Matt Ryan show, and NE was the Matt Cassell show. Oh, and you forot the NO game where Brees lit us up.
I don’t recall one game where we lost because we were getting run on up the middle and couldn’t stop it. Not one.
And S&B, please don’t regurgitate the Cable quote for the 1000th time. So what they had a couple of bad weeks, who didn’t? Give me a specific game or two that we lost because of our run defense.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
And S&B, please don’t regurgitate the Cable quote for the 1000th time. So what they had a couple of bad weeks, who didn’t? Give me a specific game or two that we lost because of our run defense.
Los Altos High School.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
OakGlenn,
Thanks so much for your in depth analysis but your opinion means nothing in here. Nobody cares really. Keep up the bad work anyway as I’m sure you have nothing else to do.
# Oakglenn Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
I think we should consider taking Smith, from Penn State. Nobody ever mentions him. If he’s not available, I’m leaning toward Hanson, from Wisconsin. Talk about a beast!
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
The names you are tossing around are backups on every other NFL team.
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I assume you are talking about Green and McQuistan? Agreed on Green, but it’s not my call that he’s still on the roster. You guys have to start dealing with the realities that are already on the squad. You can not sit here and tell me that Oher is going to be any better than Green or McQuistan. For that matter, Harris. I wouldn’t touch Andre Smith at 7, JMO. And Monroe and Jason Smith will most likely be gone. We’re talking about the 7th pick here, not if we need Oline help or help at DT. Of course we need to improve our line play, but the best available impact player for us might not be OT or DT. There will most likely be better value with a LB pick.
And our Oline did not suck the last 4 games of the year. It just didn’t, which is why you saw the offense, and particularly JRuss perform much better. We can already run block with the best Olines in the league and LT pass blocking is shored up. RT, RG, and C are not addressed with the #7 pick in the draft.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jhill
The pass worked because the opposition could run at will. If you stop the run a team becomes more predictable.
Further, a defensive line is also paid to rush the QB.
Teams pass on us because we can not bring pressure with four.
Unlike most teams we must blitz to have a chance for a sack.
Every defensive weakness we have traces back to a defensive line made up of cast offs and day two picks.
We have 64 million reasons why we need to pick an OT at #7 otherwise I would go DT.
Our line play sucks and we will not win until it improves.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Mistabrown
You are one of the WORST trolls in here. Just STFU for once, you obviously don’t know jack squat!
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
“Our line play sucks and we will not win until it improves.”
Chill out fader fanz the year 2020 isn’t that far away. Not really.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Our Oline has improved from embarrassing in 2006 to average in 2008.
Henderson has had three good games. Let’s hope he is the answer.
Gallery solid.
Grove free agent often injured.
Carlisle aging free agent.
Green aging free agent whose play was marginal.
We have invested too much in Dmac and JR to do anything else but improve the offensive line with our first pick.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
JHill says,
“There will most likely be better value with a LB pick”
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The only LB that is consistently rated higher than Raji or Oher is Aaron Curry, who I would take in two seconds if he were to fall to 7.
But the LBs (Maualuga, Cushing etc….) are all rated lower than Raji, who is considered a top 10 pick
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
LOL. BHP thinks we’re going to forget his claims of “something big” being in the works. Yeh, it was something big, alright. About 275 lbs. of head coach. And, his hyperbole mirrored Al Davis’s. Al said a big personnel guy was coming to Oakland. I still think Davis was begging either Madden or Wolf to come back, and both said “no thanks”. And, whoever came up with the point yesterday about how no team would go near Al Davis if he were available? One word: Brilliant. Nobody responded. That very question just my be the kryptonite we were all looking for to silence the Davis kool aid drinkers. If Al knows so much about the game, surely someone out there would hire him as GM. I think the other owners think the same of Davis’s expertise as we do. It’s a fairy tale.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Also building on Charlie’s point, if the strength of this defense is the pass with two lockdown corners and Morrison and Howard then wouldn’t it make sense to next toughen up the run defense.
Provided the safety question is answered, you gotta think that opposing OCs are going to be running first and throwing second. So the Raiders can expect a full course serving of running back going into next year.
And the DL as its currently constructed, ain’t gonna cut it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
LOL. BHP thinks we’re going to forget his claims of “something big” being in the works.
My take: never listen to the buttholeprick.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
The Raider DT is on NFL Network!
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Jay Richards to play MLB for the Oakland Raiders, You heard it here first.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
The man says he can play 5-technique too. So the Raiders could move the guy up and down the line.
Draft him!
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
S&B…lol.
I’m watching B.J. seems like a nice guy too..
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Linebackers are heavily dependent on the line infront of them.
Lewis has Ngata, Merriman has Williams etc.
LT had Burt.
These guys work in tandems.
Rey would not be the force he was in college behind our Dline. USC’s Dline controlled the line of scrimmage amking thier backers look awfully good.
He would not be up against the Huskies and Cougars.
Again build the line first. Our Dline is pathetic. 31st against the run, most rushing touchdowns given up by a team in the last six years, little pressure on the QB.
That is not because of Wilson or Rob Ryan.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Bob Marley Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 pm
S&B…lol.
I’m watching B.J. seems like a nice guy too..
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Yeah, took the questions well. Trying to run a 5.0 40…also put up 33x on the press.
I wonder how many reps Terdell Sands could do?
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Charlie Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Linebackers are heavily dependent on the line infront of them.
Lewis has Ngata, Merriman has Williams etc.
LT had Burt.
These guys work in tandems.
Rey would not be the force he was in college behind our Dline. USC’s Dline controlled the line of scrimmage amking thier backers look awfully good.
He would not be up against the Huskies and Cougars.
Again build the line first. Our Dline is pathetic. 31st against the run, most rushing touchdowns given up by a team in the last six years, little pressure on the QB.
That is not because of Wilson or Rob Ryan.
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The question NFL teams are looking to answer between now and the April 25-26 draft is whether those players fit into a 3-4 or 4-3 defense.
The ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 have very different responsibilities than the ends and tackles in a 4-3. They’re primarily asked to occupy blockers while the linebackers make most of the plays, with outside linebackers providing the bulk of the pass rush. In a 4-3, ends and tackles generally are the main playmakers and are expected to generate most of the pressure on the quarterback.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80edccdd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Whatever you guys say about the line. All I know is you don’t draft RT, RG, or C at #7. It doesn’t mean those aren’t positions of need, it just mean nobody draft a those position what high intentionally. RT maybe, if you have a left handed QB. Other than that, not happening.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The only LB that is consistently rated higher than Raji or Oher is Aaron Curry, who I would take in two seconds if he were to fall to 7.
But the LBs (Maualuga, Cushing etc….) are all rated lower than Raji, who is considered a top 10 pick
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Again, a Mauluga-Brace/Hood/Maola, Laurinitis-Brace/Hood/Maola, Orakpo-Brace/Hood/Maola, Curry-Brace/Hood/Maola combo all sound better than Raji-any 2nd rd or lower LB combo.
We do have more than one pick fellas!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 have very different responsibilities than the ends and tackles in a 4-3. They’re primarily asked to occupy blockers while the linebackers make most of the plays, with outside linebackers providing the bulk of the pass rush. In a 4-3, ends and tackles generally are the main playmakers and are expected to generate most of the pressure on the quarterback
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So now we need Raji at 7 to help with the pass rush?
Unbelievable!
I guess you couldn’t come up with any games we lost because of our run defense (still waiting). So now lets switch it up to QB pressure? LOL!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The great news is that Mr Davis is now looking at value. Player production as compared to the contract.
I am guessing Tom Cable has had alot to do with the change but that is immaterial.
We are going in a different direction. Mr Davis already said he will be investing to build the lines when we cut Hall.
Tyvon Branch will probably take over for Wilson for alot less money. That is why the move was made.
You think Kelly noticed? How about Walker?
We got our franchise QB after a terrible 2006.
Mr Davis made the mistake of either thinking our lineS were good enough in 2007 and 2008 or else he listened to the wrong people.
Whatever the case, thankfully a new day has arrived.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Whatever you guys say about the line. All I know is you don’t draft RT, RG, or C at #7.
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Can’t argue with that. DT is NOT an area of immediate need. LT is. This draft has some of the best LT prospects in the last 5 years. Normally there might be one or two, this years draft has three or four. And let me ask you guys a question. What if Mario Henderson CAN’T cut it at LT?? Then what happens?? We all saw what happened when Kwame Harris got repeatedly run over. When your LT gets smoked repeatedly, you have the 31st best offense out of 32 teams. Which means your defense is going to suck ass as well, unless you have an incredible defense with incredible leadership and players with personal fortitude.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Merriman has Williams etc.
LT had Burt.
These guys work in tandems.
Rey would not be the force he was in college behind our Dline.
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Lawrence Taylor and Shawn Merriman?
So the DTs help our OLBs? Wow! Anything to make an argument.
And there is no such thing as an NFL LB running free which is exactly why we need a much more physical Mauluga instead of Morrison. Antonio Pierce was on the other day talking about that exact point. We need a MLB who can take on block and shed them. MLBs ALWAYS have a blocker assigned to them.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
What if Mario Henderson CAN’T cut it at LT??
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What if he can?
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 have very different responsibilities than the ends and tackles in a 4-3. They’re primarily asked to occupy blockers while the linebackers make most of the plays, with outside linebackers providing the bulk of the pass rush. In a 4-3, ends and tackles generally are the main playmakers and are expected to generate most of the pressure on the quarterback
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So now we need Raji at 7 to help with the pass rush?
Unbelievable!
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Once again, have to agree with Jhill on this one. Our pass rush was ranked about average, and actually was much better than advertised because opposing offenses were throwing timing balls very quickly off the snap to NEGATE the pass rush. And this was with our best pass rusher, Derrick Burgess out for half the season. Defensive line is not an area of immediate neeed.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
No way we draft Smith or Oher at 7. Just not going to happen.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
# JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
What if Mario Henderson CAN’T cut it at LT??
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What if he can?
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Answering a question with a question is not really acceptable. But to answer your question, then you would have either 1) one of the best tackle tandems in the league, or 2) an excellent set of LT’s one of which could be traded for very high value considering one you would have at a very low salary number. Not a bad position to be in. And it beats the hell out of, drafted a WR or DL, LT is no good, and our team blows donkey dix.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
# S&B (The Raiders select BJ Raji, DT Boston College) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I wonder how many reps Terdell Sands could do?
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I can answer that. Sands can lift a 35 pound ham thousands of times.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I think Rey and Cushing are going to surprise some people here. Also Robert Ayers IMO should be in the discussion. I really don’t see why Orakpo is rated any higher than he is.
So far Jason Smith has impressed me tha most of all the OT though I haven’t seen Andre Smith. But even Jason Smith is not what I consider a can’t miss OT in fact I haven’t seen one as good J Ogden and not close to O Pace. These guuy’s are good but IMO somehat overrated. J Smith reminds me of J Long last year whom I really liked. But W Beatty IMO could be as good as any of then if he developes.
So IMO W Beatty in the 2nd would make me very happy.
Mike Wallace the WR in rnd 4 would be a very nice get.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Answering a question with a question is not really acceptable.
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LOL!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Actually I’m hoping That Andre Smith drops to 7 it would be good to have that type of talent available if the coaches see what they ant to see before the draft from.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Personally Priest, I think Cushing is going to make the better pro than Mauluga. Ayers is climbing up the draft boards right now, but you have to wonder where has he been the last three years?
Andre Smith, unfortunately, is falling off the table right now, which could be good for us. He left the combine unannounced, which was REALLY foolish, and is going to have his own workout day. Oooookkaaay. Whatever. Maybe he should get on the bench and start lifting with the other prospects.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
No sight of a Grove resigning yet, so I’m going to stick with Eric Wood in the 2nd rd. If Raji is truly the man, then I want the guy who was handling him one on one from the C and G position.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
If Andre Smith dropped to #7, I would be jumping up and down!!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
first time post.i thought everyone in here were raider fans.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Gotta say Jhill I completely agree again. Wood is going to be an excellent player. The thing that makes Alex Mack such a good prospect is Mack is a very very smart guy. You want guys like that!!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Adam Schefter
Curtain closing on Raiders’ high-priced ‘08 free agents
Posted: February 22nd, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Javon Walker, Oakland Raiders
Last offseason, Oakland spent millions to sign CB DeAngelo Hall, S Gibril Wilson and WR Javon Walker.
Already, Hall and Wilson have been jettisoned — Hall cut during the season, and Wilson cut after it. Now, Walker could be next.
Walker is due a $5 million bonus payment March 3. It is likely that the Raiders would rather release him than pay it. Thus, for the second straight offseason, an AFC West team is likely to release Walker.
If and when the Raiders release Walker, he will count against their salary cap for an eye-popping $14.16 million. It is a huge number to absorb, but the Raiders believe it is the right move to make.
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If they cut Walker, we REALLY know they mean business!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
first time post.i thought everyone in here were raider fans.
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We wish. Basically, you are going to find the greatest Raider fans in the world here, and some absolute Raider hating garbage. It’s not hard to see who is who.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Oakglenn
You talk like we can draft any of the LT prospects.
That’s not gonna happen, Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe will be gone.
Andre Smith may or may not be available, but here’s the latest on him:
“Sources later said Smith’s interviews with teams have been going horribly. He’s been inappropriately dressed and has been giving a number of conflicting statements as to why he was choosing not to workout at the combine.
Several offensive line coaches have already suggested Smith be removed from their team’s draft board and there’s no doubt his draft stock is falling.”
Then there’s Michael Oher, the one guy who scouts consider the riskiest pick, could well be better than any of the other guys or….a major bust.
It’s not as simple as you make it out to be.
Andre Smith and Michael Oher have all the talent in the world, they should not be available at 7th, if they are it’s only because there may be something wrong with their heads.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
the real oakglenn.cushing better than maualuga,based on what?
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I disagree at this point on Andre Smith. I just don’t think we can take the chance on a potential headcase. Dude gets kicked off the team before a big bowl game, doesn’t show up in shape to the combine, and then the “miscommunication” on his part that caused him to leave the combine early. I mean, what is this guy thinking?
Oh, and that little thing about us already having a LT, and not drafting a RT at 7.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
That being said, I’d take a long look at both if they were available…..
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Nice to see you back Bob. This is your time of year!
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Jhill, Shefter is talking out of his ass. As usual. Not that I want “Jivin” here, but what would you do? Pay “jivin” 6 mil and hope he somehow shows up in a position of need, or take a $14mm+ hit against the cap, which is MORE than the amount Nnamdi and Jamarcus cost, for no production. Probably best to keep him thru camp and see what happens. And if he retires again, there you go.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Guys, something is wrong with Andre Smith.
Too much inconsistent behavior.
We do not need another project.
Cable will go with Beatty or Britton before we deal with a personality disorder.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Oak I think the coaches are already jumping up and down at that possibility.
I would take a very long look for reason to not take a prospect of his ability. If he’s what they say he is.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Charlie,
We’re going in a different direction?
We’ve just set a record for consecutive 11 loss seasons and we’ve made NO CHANGES in upper management. What color’s the sky in your world?
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Say what you want about the rumor monger, but he’s usually right about the Raiders.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I read this morning that Russell’s ankle surgery, might cause him to balloon to 300lbs…….Nah
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Let me just say this about an OT at 7 like Andre Smith or Michael Oher, they BETTER be able to beat out Marion and start at LT. If we go into the season with our #7 pick at RT, then that would not be good.
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
JHill,
You asked if I could find one game that the run defense lost. Well, maybe I can’t point to any 1 game. How about all of them. Everyone feel free to comment on the defensive performance for 2008 and what the focus should be.
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Buffalo = 116 rush / 262 pass
San Diego = 141 rush / 154 pass
New Orlea = 122 rush / 319 pass
Baltimore = 192 rush / 183 pass
Atlanta = 252 rush / 201 pass
Carolina = 162 rush / 57 pass
Miami = 222 rush / 160 pass
K.C = 146 rush / 156 pass
San Diego = 158 rush / 214 pass
N.E = 277 rush / 210 pass
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Honestly, I cannot fault Andre Smith for not showing up to the Sugar Bowl. He had nothing more to prove at the collegiate level, he spoke to some “agents” which is against NCAA rules, and basically they advised him that if he gets hurt in the Sugar Bowl, it could cost him $50-120mm. What would any of you do?? Play in the game, or sit back and cash a check for $50-120mm?? It’s not like he got caught stealing car stereos out of Nick Sabans car.
All that being said, the recent stuff is REALLY bad. It shows a lot of immaturity and someone is giving him VERY bad advice. That is not good. I am also not sold on the theory that either Monroe or Jason Smith would not be available to us. I think Stafford goes one, Curry goes two, Malcolm Jenkins goes, that leaves the two tackles in three spots ahead of us.
Lastly, blackdeath the reason I say what I say is in college football, there are guys opposing teams just stay away from. You can’t really do that so much in the pros because everyone is really good. In college you can. Cushing was one of those guys. That just forced plays to Rey, which made him look better than he is. JMHO.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Charlie Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Guys, something is wrong with Andre Smith.
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Charlie like I said, I don’t fault him for the Sugar Bowl, in fact, that was probably the RIGHT decision. Remember, these are kids. And some are much more immature than others. There might be a little silver and black lining in all of this in that based on football production, NO WAY, Smith should fall to #7. No freaking way.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I wouldn’t draft M Oher that high (#7)……..period I simply don’t believe he has the talent to beat out Mario. Monroe is a much better pass protector than run blocker which I like, it’s much easier to teach run blocking.
None of them are polished as they’re portrayed to be. But they all have great potential.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Let me just say this about an OT at 7 like Andre Smith or Michael Oher, they BETTER be able to beat out Marion and start at LT. If we go into the season with our #7 pick at RT, then that would not be good.
the raiders need to address the run defense first
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
The Real Oakglenn Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Jhill, Shefter is talking out of his ass. As usual. Not that I want “Jivin” here, but what would you do? Pay “jivin” 6 mil and hope he somehow shows up in a position of need, or take a $14mm+ hit against the cap, which is MORE than the amount Nnamdi and Jamarcus cost, for no production. Probably best to keep him thru camp and see what happens. And if he retires again, there you go.
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Depends…remember, the cap hit does not necessarily equal the actual cash that’s paid out. Al saves $6 Million REAL dollars by cutting Walker. The cap hit hurts future moves but is not an actual cash hit
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
# JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Pls draft Robiskie?
I don’t think he’ll be around in the 2nd rd, and I don’t think you’re suggesting we draft him at 7, are you?
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Gawd NO! =) I hope we pick a LT or a DT in 1st round..
I have been suggesting the kid as a 2nd round pick for a while, and some here said that was a reach, that he would be there in 3rd round, I just hope we get him in 2nd, because he can contribute in the pass and run game right away..
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
BTW you guys it’s nice just to be here just talking football. Real football. Raider football.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Yvonne Walker is outta here….Who’s next from the free agent bust that was 2008? Hmmmm.
On the clock:
1. Kwame Harris (you betcha)
2. Terdell Sands (Uh-oh JHill)
3. Tommy Kelly (JHill, you might want to stay away next week)
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Oak the USC defense was so freakishly talented that you could afford to avoid any one from Dline to secondary there was 1st rnd talent. Only at corner could you really question that. Those guy’s made each other better……trust me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Could not afford…………
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Honestly, I cannot fault Andre Smith for not showing up to the Sugar Bowl. He had nothing more to prove at the collegiate level, he spoke to some “agents” which is against NCAA rules, and basically they advised him that if he gets hurt in the Sugar Bowl, it could cost him $50-120mm. What would any of you do?? Play in the game, or sit back and cash a check for $50-120mm?? It’s not like he got caught stealing car stereos out of Nick Sabans car.
All that being said, the recent stuff is REALLY bad. It shows a lot of immaturity and someone is giving him VERY bad advice. That is not good. I am also not sold on the theory that either Monroe or Jason Smith would not be available to us. I think Stafford goes one, Curry goes two, Malcolm Jenkins goes, that leaves the two tackles in three spots ahead of us.
Lastly, blackdeath the reason I say what I say is in college football, there are guys opposing teams just stay away from. You can’t really do that so much in the pros because everyone is really good. In college you can. Cushing was one of those guys. That just forced plays to Rey, which made him look better than he is. JMHO.
are you kidding me?brian cushing played DE as a freshman and sophmore . maualuga has always been a MLB and became a starter his sophmore year.what are you talking about?
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Oak the USC defense was so freakishly talented that you could afford to avoid any one from Dline to secondary there was 1st rnd talent. Only at corner could you really question that. Those guy’s made each other better……trust me.
IN BUTTHOLEPRICK WE TRUST!!!!
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
I’ll take a stab at that list …
Buffalo game, Lynch was held to 83 yards on 23 attempts. Morrison makes that tackle on Lynch on 3rd and 8 swing pass on Buffalos own 8 yard line, and the game is over.
The SD game, LT was held to 60 yards on 20 attempts, until he got that late 40 yard touchdown with 1 minute to go in the game after Harris got blown by for another forced fumble.
NO game, Bush held to 27 yds and Duece to 65 yds. You’re kidding though, right? We all know Brees was picking on the LBs all game with no adjustments from Ryan.
Balt – Held McGahee to 58 yds on 23 carries. 3 points on offense and Joe Flacco breaking out had a little more to do with this loss than our DTs.
Atl – we had negative yards and zero first downs in the first half. Our OC got benched that game, not our DTs. Turner got the ball 31 times that day, and yeah NO ONE showed up for that game.
Carolina – Holding a team to 17 points is not a bad game. Williams rushed for 140 yds on 20 carries, but 70 of them came on one TD run.
Miami – Miami ran the wildcat pretty well on everyone and RB is a top back. No shame giving up 100 yds to him, and we held them to 17 points. Good job D.
KC Held Johnson to 92 yds on 24 carries. Thigpen added 50 yds scrambling.
SD game LT 25 carries 91 yds. Sproles on the screen passes for 2 TDs and Vincent Jacksons 160 yd receiving day killed us there. Oh, and we only 7 points on a KR.
NE – that game was over when it was 21 to nothing with 3 min left in the 1st QTR. Matt Cassell killed us in his first game back from his dad passing, not RBs. Jordan had 100 yds in the 2nd half when the game was long decided.
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There ya go. Still don’t see how an upgrade at DT helps any of these outcomes.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
These guys maybe young, but they are being paid grown men money. Andre has no excuse. Look, every other “kid” graduating school has professional job interviews that have a lot more stress then running around with a football and pay a lot less.
If a kid can’t get ready for the combine, what they heck is going to happen during the off-season.
Spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a kid with maturity issues like this. Not a 1st round pick, let alone a top 10
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Oak the USC defense was so freakishly talented that you could afford to avoid any one from Dline to secondary there was 1st rnd talent. Only at corner could you really question that. Those guy’s made each other better……trust me.
IN BUTTHOLEPRICK WE TRUST!!!!
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February 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Afternoon Nation…
I’ve been to Raider.com site looking over the roster.
I’m curious as to why T Kelly is listed as a DE.
I’d not noticed that before.
Is a change of position in the works?
Also checking the transactions page looking to see where the ax will fall next. lol
If Kelly is moved back to DE then that may tie into the rumor of Burgess being shopped.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I’ve got inside information that Mr. Davis is going to make a big impact in free agency. From what I’ve been told, I wouldn’t be surprised if we go 16-0 and on to the superbowl! Trust me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
are you kidding me?brian cushing played DE as a freshman and sophmore . maualuga has always been a MLB and became a starter his sophmore year.what are you talking about?
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What are you saying? Cushing played DL as a freshman and sophmore and then moved to LB because as he got older, they used his athletic ability more and more. Normally as guys get older, they get bigger and slower. Cushing got bigger, faster and smarter. Cushing could probably play DL, OLB, ILB in the pros. Versatility = extreme value. Maualuga can’t play anything but ILB. That’s what I am talking about.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
MR
The biggest mistake Mr Davis has made was thinking that professional free agents would produce according to the contracts they were given.
Unlike Mike Haynes and Ted Hendricks and Rich Gannon etc.etc.
we have had Walker, Kelly, Hall etc etc.
Mr Davis has always paid up or near the cap and his goodwill has been largely taken advantage of. Those days are over. We will pay for production.
We are in the midst of the biggest house cleaning this franchise has ever seen. Players are now accountable. Tom Cable and others have gotten Mr Davis to see that what we have doing does not work.
We will draft to improve the lines in April.
You do not see a difference?
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
that all makes sense S&B but how ’bout we first se what the issues were. It’s hard to believe it’s not something going on that’s very serious. So far we don’t know what that is but to have a talent o his ability drop can’t hurt.
I don’t complain when I get a gift. You do your own research on the kid because what’s bad for someone else may be good for you.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
2. Terdell Sands (Uh-oh JHill)
3. Tommy Kelly (JHill, you might want to stay away next week)
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LOL!
I’m not there agents, I could care less if they get cut. I’ve already said that Sands is making too much money to stick as a backup. Where we differ is I accept the fact that the coaches may think Warren and Sands are worth keeping despite what I may think. Again, I say I wanted Dorsey last year, so how do you figure I’m wedded to Warren or Sands. Sorry if I just don’t think Raji will be a better player than those guys.
Now talk about us getting Haynesworth, or Hampton, or Ngata, then I’m all for it. But some rookie DT whose now dropped to 14th on the board of the one guy (who happens to be an alumni from his school) who was pumping him up on NFL Network? Still not convinced.
But let me say that if he convinces the coaches and we do end up drafting him, then I’ll be 100% on board. Just don’t see it happening.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
# JHill Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Atl – we had negative yards and zero first downs in the first half. Our OC got benched that game, not our DTs. Turner got the ball 31 times that day, and yeah NO ONE showed up for that game.
Carolina – Holding a team to 17 points is not a bad game. Williams rushed for 140 yds on 20 carries, but 70 of them came on one TD run.
KC Held Johnson to 92 yds on 24 carries. Thigpen added 50 yds scrambling.
NE – that game was over when it was 21 to nothing with 3 min left in the 1st QTR. Matt Cassell killed us in his first game back from his dad passing, not RBs. Jordan had 100 yds in the 2nd half when the game was long decided.
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There ya go. Still don’t see how an upgrade at DT helps any of these outcomes.
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And if you go and watch these games you will see exactly what I am talking about short and medium timing routes which were used to negate our pass rush and did for the most part. Also as Jhill notes, Thigpen scrambling for 50 yards and a couple of crucial third down conversions were the responsibility of the LB’s and safeties NOT the DL. And if you also remember, late in the KC game with us leading, Gabril drops a sure INT that hits him right in the mits. That right there would have won that game.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I know a lot of you idiots out there don’t know much about the Raider orginization. But trust me fools I do. I know more people in the chain of command than you idiots know people. Trust me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
oakglenn cushing has zero chance to play end in the pros .ZERO!maualuga will impact from day 1.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
that all makes sense S&B but how ’bout we first se what the issues were. It’s hard to believe it’s not something going on that’s very serious. So far we don’t know what that is but to have a talent o his ability drop can’t hurt.
I don’t complain when I get a gift. You do your own research on the kid because what’s bad for someone else may be good for you.
But you idiots know that all my research is good. Twice as good as any research you idiots do. Because I know people in high places and you idiots don’t know squat.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Our 2nd round pick?.
Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, 6′2, 210, 4.3 forty.
Best size-speed ratio in the Draft, fastest 40 yard time and top 10 in vertical jump, broad jump and bench press.
“One of the most impressive players on the field in the morning session was Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey.
Scouts were impressed but not altogether surprised by his 4.30-second 40 yard dash, the fastest recorded this year.
It was his improved fluidity and consistency of his route-running and secure hands that really caught their attention”.
The last paragraph is exactly what I wanted to hear about this guy.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Bob, Heyward-Bey wont last that long with that showing. He’ll go in the top 20.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
# S&B (The Raiders select BJ Raji, DT Boston College) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
These guys maybe young, but they are being paid grown men money. Andre has no excuse. Look, every other “kid” graduating school has professional job interviews that have a lot more stress then running around with a football and pay a lot less.
If a kid can’t get ready for the combine, what they heck is going to happen during the off-season.
Spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a kid with maturity issues like this. Not a 1st round pick, let alone a top 10
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One thing that most of you probably have never had experience with is the whole college recruiting scene. Imagine that YOU are a top collegiate prospect and you have Charlie Weis the Head Coach of Notre Dame in your living room talking to your parents while, Nick Saban the Head Coach of Alabama is dressed in a $4000 Armani suit waiting in your parlor, and Phil Fulmer the HC of the Univesity of Tennessee is in a car waiting in the driveway. To talk to YOU. Just imagine that for one second. And all of that is NOTHING compared to what is going on right now with some of these prospects.
Now they can legally start talking to agents. Their friends want them to use this guy, their family wants them to use another guy, their coaches a different guy, their former team mates in the league a different guy, and every one is telling them something different. Go to the combine, don’t go to the combine, go to the combine but don’t run or lift, have your own pro day on your terms. It has to be a bit overwhelming especially for a kid just past his teens or for a kid who has no family or serious established friends he can trust. That is not his fault.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
bob marley your right as soon as heyward-bey ran that 4.3 in the draft he became the raiders 2nd round pick but i don`t agree. it`s not my call.i like ron brace.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
More on Heyward-Bey…
“Darrius Heyward-Bey’s reputation preceded him this week in Indianapolis, where the NFL scouting combine will mint fresh millionaires and unmask impostors for it’s April draft.
Scouts already know Maryland’s mercurial wide receiver is lightning in a bottle, a touchdown waiting to happen, that he has tantalizing size, long arms and extraordinary athleticism.
They also know he is not a polished receiver, that he can be inconsistent catching the ball, and that he occasionally would disappear from the Terps’ offense last season as a junior.
What they don’t know – at least yet – is how his unique combination of skills will translate in the NFL. But early draft projections have him taken in the first round or, at worst, at the top of the second.
Mike Mayock, a draft analyst for the NFL Network, is among those intrigued with Heyward-Bey’s talent. When he watches tapes, Mayock sees the explosiveness that generated eight plays of 50 or more yards in three seasons at Maryland.
“You look at his combination of height, weight and speed, and you want to believe he’s a top 10 pick,” Mayock said. “At other times, it doesn’t look like he catches the ball naturally”.
“I feel like I need to do more [film study] on him. Watching him makes me want to know more about him.”
Coach Ralph Friedgen gave Heyward-Bey his blessing in early January when the soon-to-be 22-year-old decided to forgo his senior year at Maryland for the NFL.
“If he runs a slow time [at Indianapolis], he’ll still be faster than most of the guys running,” Friedgen said. “He never ran slower than 4.2 for me. And it doesn’t look like he’s running [hard].”
Heyward-Bey was a world-class sprinter at McDonogh, where he ran track, played basketball and debuted in football as a freshman. In fact, football was the only sport he didn’t play growing up in Silver Spring, where he was a basketball prodigy of some renown.
But Dom D’Amico, McDonogh’s football coach, could see the long-term potential in Heyward-Bey, even if he was uncomfortable in pads at first.
“He was as raw as you could get,” D’Amico said. “But you always saw something special in him. … His speed is NFL-caliber. His demeanor and how hard he works, those are the things that make you want to help him develop. You can’t get a kid with better character.”
Heyward-Bey’s speed, if not his ultimate career direction, was evident from the beginning. By the end of his junior year at McDonogh, he decided football was his destination, even though he was a first-team All-American in track in the indoor 60 meters.
He chose Maryland and football over LSU, track and the Olympics. Redshirted his freshman year, he served notice he was a player to watch in 2006 when he caught touchdown passes of 96 and 65 yards in a 14-13 victory over Miami.
Mel Kiper Jr., an ESPN draft analyst and a Baltimore native, said the Terps “didn’t make a concerted effort to get him the ball enough. He’s got to get it six to eight times a game.”
Friedgen said defenses forced the Terps away from Heyward-Bey.
Still, when told of Mayock’s assertion that Heyward-Bey did not catch the ball naturally, Friedgen said: “His technique has got to be better. Darrius knows that.”
Ben Dogra, who helps represent Heyward-Bey at CAA, knows there are players coming out with better statistics. But he doesn’t think anyone is coming out with better potential.
“He’s a young player,” Dogra said. “They’ll have to project him. You’re not going to take him in the first round based on pure numbers”.
“His [college] production is a function of the offense, a function of him developing. He started football at a later age. He’s still learning it. In two or three years, with better coaching, nobody knows how good he can be.”
From baltimoresun.com
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
oakglenn cushing has zero chance to play end in the pros .ZERO!maualuga will impact from day 1.
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Ooooookayy. Whatever.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
JHill,
Please name a good defense that does not have an imposing defensive line. Have you forgotten that a defensive line is also supposed to rush the passer.
Rarely does anyone call a max protect against us because we can not rush the passer. They run five man routes with four seconds to throw and you blame the secondary?
We have cast offs and day two picks on the line and you want to blame coaches?(Burgess was let go by Philly beacuse of injury problems)
I understand that a good Oline will help the defense but thirty first against the run last year and you are blaming linebackers and the secondary?
You have got to watch more games.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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February 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
oakglenn cushing has zero chance to play end in the pros .ZERO!maualuga will impact from day 1.
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Ooooookayy. Whatever.
i`m not trying to argue with you.their both good players.i just know more about maualuga than most.EUREKA HIGH SCHOOL!
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Actually Blackdeath my fault totally. I read too fast and didn’t see the word end. So I thought you were saying Cushing has zero chance to play in the pros. My fault totally! Sorry.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Charlie-most teams got their passing success against us with short,quick crossing patterns,not passes thrown down the field.the better Scott got as the year went along,the less time opposing QBs had to throw.our DTs were always double teamed,which is what you want.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I just reread # 492 and # 797. Macklin possibly at seven. However the worst run D for the last 6 years or so shows that teams just ram it down our throat. And yes we need O line help real bad. Can we get peppers? Don’t see Lewis coming. The problem with taking O or D line help that high (# 7) when maybe we can draft 2 thru 6 for comparable talent & less cost. Please no porter or TO as FA. In the last 10 years, how many stud O or D line talent was taken by any team drafting 1-7? JUST A QUESTION!
PS I am happy we keep Shane & NHANE!!!!
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Lefty
The point is watch how many of those patterns included five receivers. The passes you are alluding to were not three step drops. The only way we get close to the QB is with a blitz.
It is a compromised scheme before the ball is snapped because the offensive coordinator knows we can not bring pressure without a blitz.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
no problem oak glenn .i just want the raiders to draft the new rey-rey of the nfl.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
no problem oak glenn .i just want the raiders to draft the new rey-rey of the nfl.
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You are certainly not alone in that blackdeath!
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I agree with everyone that says we need to draft to improve the lines. Obviously JR is the franchise and I’m confident that protecting him and blocking for MBush and Dmac will be a priority come draft day.
What I see in here, though, is that some are forgetting that we have more than just a first round pick. This is a very deep draft, by all accounts, for offensive linemen and our head coach and O-line coach are very accomplished and experienced in that area. Cable himself has said repeatedly that (and I’m paraphrasing here) you don’t have to be a top prospect to become a good lineman in this league. Any doubts about him backing that up should be alleviated by the improvement of our existing line under his tenure.
Our O-line gave up 39 sacks last year; not terrible when you look at it closely. How many of those sacks did we give up because JR was basically a rookie QB? How much improvement did we see in that area after Mario took over at LT and Cable got things running the way he wanted them to?
I’m going by the last three games here because that’s when Cable says that the team really started to gel and get an idea of what he wanted them to do; here is idea of how our O-line performed during that stretch:
New England…
117 yards rushing / 4.3 average yards per carry
2 sacks in 33 pass attempts
Houston…
139 yards rushing / 4.1 average yards per carry
1 sack in 25 pass attempts
Tampa Bay…
192 yards rushing / 5.5 yards per carry
1 sack in 21 pass attempts
The numbers don’t lie. It’s not as bad as some would have us believe. Run defense is another story, of course. We’ll have to see how the coaches evaluate that and react to it come draft day, but that’s another topic.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Charlie-that is why we need better play from our DEs and LBs.i think everyone agrees we could get better players at DT,but we also have other needs that are more pressing.and as if Jhill says,we can get much better by taking say Rey Rey 1st and Brace in the 2nd-in MY OPINION-that is a better way to go.i also am not that sold that Raji will be THAT great of a player.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
edward teach you sound like someone who want`s to go defense in the first round.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
a player we should probably keep an eye on is Thomas-WR-ASU.built like TO and i believe he ran a 4.3 today.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
i miss stu schwiegert . he was underrated
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
From Profootballtalk
RAIDERS TO CUT TIES WITH LAST OF HIGH-PRICED ‘08 ADDITIONS?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2009, 5:10 p.m.
After cutting cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the middle of the 2008 season and recently sending safety Gibril Wilson packing, the Oakland Raiders could soon complete the trifecta when it comes to admitting error with its prized offseason acquisitions from a year ago.
According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the Raiders might soon release receiver Javon Walker.
Walker, per Schefter, is due to pocket a $5 million roster bonus on March 3. The Raiders could sever ties with him in order to avoid having to cut the check.
If they do, Schefter says that Walker will still count for a whopping $14.16 million against the salary cap in 2009.
The net dead money, however, would be far lower than that, since if Walker stays he’ll at least count $9 million against the cap this year, based on the $5 million bonus and his $4 million salary. The proration from his 2008 signing bonus would undoubtedly push the number over $10 million.
Moreover, the Raiders would save $9 million in real dollars by cutting Walker.
Last season, Walker appeared in only eight games, and caught only 15 passes for 196 yards and a touchdown. At one point in the preseason, Walker reportedly considered retiring and paying back his bonus money.
In hindsight, the Raiders should have taken him up on his offer.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
yeah . hope we draft rey maualuga
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Left I think you’re talking about Mike Thomas from Arizona. He’s closer to 5′11″ 200 but ran a good 40 time. He’s a player along with Mike Wallace from Ole’ Miss. Very similar players with great speed and versatility.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
shiit , why dont he retire now? save management hella money .
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Blackdeath29…. (that’s a great handle, by the way)… I am actually in favor of taking Crabtree with the 7th pick. He’s about as much of a lock as anyone in the draft and I just don’t see anyone on defense other than Curry from Wake Forest that’s worthy of being chosen that high. It would take a miracle for him to be there at 7, though.
People will talk about our young guys and the fact that Walker and Carter will be back, and Arman Shields is the real deal, etc. I respect that sentiment, I just don’t agree that it makes us solid at that position. Carter and Walker are both damaged goods and (if they make the opening day roster) are way more vulnerable to career-ending injuries than we should be comfortable with. Shields, I don’t think, has ever caught a regular season pass in the NFL. Which leaves us with JLH and Chaz. Not enough, in my view, to go into the season with when we might have the oppportunity to grab the next really good one in this year’s draft.
We drafted JR for a reason, and hired Ted Tollner to run the passing game. Paul Hackett is one of the most repected QB coaches in the business. Crabtree is a dynamic player and in my view would help to take that part of our offense to a whole new level.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Priest-i do believe that’s who i am talking about.i didn’t watch a whole lot today,but did see him run the 40 and a drill.the announcers seemed to be talking him up.to be honest,i won’t be surprised if we take Crabtree since he might fall now.not my choice,but as always,whomever we pick i’ll support.as i always say-the players come and go,the uniform stays the same.i support the uniform.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Bob Marley Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Our 2nd round pick?.
Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, 6′2, 210, 4.3 forty.
Best size-speed ratio in the Draft, fastest 40 yard time and top 10 in vertical jump, broad jump and bench press.
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Just the sort of spreadsheet credentials that makes Davis go Kapow!
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Oakglenn, it is nice to see people talking Raider football. But I don’t know if I’d call Raider football “real” football. Have you observed the Raiders’ results over the past 6 years?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
maddenraider, how does my azz taste?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
LOL. Hey Marley, what’s Darrius Heyward-Bey’s body fat percentage, while we’re at it? How about his blood type?
I remember Howie Long talking about when he was drafted by the Raiders, there was no technical talk about size, speed, agility. They just gave him a helmet and told him to get out there, because they already knew he was a football player. Ahh, the Ron Wolf Raider days.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Al Davis, how does my azz taste?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Guy’s I love Crabtree’s talent and would love to have that talent. I just don’t feel we need a WR that high. But i felt the same way about DMC last year. Crabtree is every bit as talented as DMC at his position IMO.
My point is I want as many very talented players as possible available when we pick that makes a lot of things possible as well as trades. So please Andre Smith drop and Crabtree drop to #7 and I hope some sucker gives us the store to get one.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
last time I looked I own the AFC West. maddenraider, how does my ass taste?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Old man…
Yeah, but Casserly was on NFL Network 5 minutes ago and said that Heyward-Bey just cemented his status as a 1st round pick, showed good hands and his speed translated well into his route-running.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Draft Crabtree.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Hope we hear soon that walker got cut,..who cares about “dead money”,…there is no true salary cap anyway, never has been,..a device made up by the owners to use to get rid of high priced players. …no team has EVER gotten rid of a player because they couldnt fit him in under the cap….goodbye walker.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
cya later, im watching nascar.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
That’s what I meant BOB a kid with that skill level no way he last into the 2nd rnd unless extenuating circumstances. Attitude, drugs…etc;
But these issues with Crabtree and Smith are good news for us because we’re at #7 if both drop then hopfully both QB’s jump into the top 6. Then we will be in fat city. The phone will be ringing…
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Old man…
Yeah, but Casserly was on NFL Network 5 minutes ago and said that Heyward-Bey just cemented his status as a 1st round pick, showed good hands and his speed translated well into his route-running.
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I’m all for anything that makes the Raiders better. I’m not a draftnik myself. But I know you are.
I’m just saying he has all the Davis goodies. Tell me about his desire.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Priest-i like your thinking on this one.Crabtree and Smith drop-someone loves them and we get to reap the benefits.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
although Davis hasn’t done it before(trade down out of the top 10) it would really be to our advantage if someone gave us an offer we couldn’t refuse.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Left I just want to pick up an additional pick and drop to say 11 and still get Rey Rey. That’s what I want but Big Al doesn’t trade down that often because he wants to ROB teams and they find better deals than what he’s giving them. It has nothing to do with “Al Davis never trades down”. There are just players that he wants more than what the other team is willing to give HIM to move up.
He does get caught falling in love with certain players (DMC) where maybe he should see what’s left more. Great talent intoxicates him too often.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
The combine gets great tomorrow, the best players in the draft hit the field tomorrow.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Don’t be naive and judge Andre Smith too soon people….
Lets wait until we see his Pro Day workouts before judging him.
It seems the Raiders will have their choice between Crabtree, Andre Smith, Maualuga and maaaaaybe Orakpo or Raji.
There are plenty of solid WR’s who will be there in round 2 like Britt and maybe Nicks. Plenty of DT’s in round 3 like Taylor or Moala.
Right now I’m leaning on Crabtree, Andre Smith, Maualuga or Orakpo with that #7 in no particular order. Raji weighed in at 337 at the combine and was 334 at the senior bowl?? Too fat for me and he will get tired….
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I guess I am trying to understand the downside of drafting OT,DT and DE on day one and pick a WR in round 4.
I have never seen a first round WR turn a bad team into a good one. Look at the Cardinals. They have had enormous WR talent but did not start to win until Whisenhunt came out and started to focus on line play.
Clearly Warner was crucial but my point is great WR do not make that much of a difference in the WIN column.They need a HUGE supporting cast to make a difference. We do not have the supporting cast ranking 31st against the rush and starting a 32 y/o RT that was brought in as a back up.
I just do not see how a Crabtree or Maclin as a rookie will be that much better than our young guys.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
BHP…864
Yeah, you’re right, he’s definitely a combine “winner” or “riser” as they like to call them.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Regarding trading down; not sure that Al would do it, and others have indicated his history with that.
What wouldn’t surprise me is our trading a high pick next year to one of the elite teams in order to get an additional first rounder this year, or trading a combination to someone to get an additional pick in the second.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Al is like a six year old on Christmas, every draft day.
Over-excited and impatient.
Not that he doesn’t get it right sometimes, but we have all seen him reach for the bright shiny object (Rickey Dudley).
If BHP’s dream scenario happens, it would put Al in his element though. He is very good at squeezing every bit out of a trade partner.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Man I hope you guy’s are watching this post drill with Jon Gruden and you’ll see why this guy is sooo dynamic as a coach he just gets the juices flowing.
When I first saw him as a rookie HC he blew the hat off my head. He is as intense a coach as you’ll ever see. I’ll never forget standing on the sideline watching him and Gannon go at it. It was EPIC.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
darknight01 funny you said that about raji he`s had weight issue`s.and i know it`s just one game but he got manhandled at the senior bowl.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
BHP
Can you give us the edited version of Gannon vs. Gruden?
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Another DT that should be there in round 2 and maybe 3 is Terrance Taylor.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Priest-the saying”al never trades down” just isn’t true either.he does it all the time,just not in the 1st RD.
Charlie-i think a lot of people on here agree with you to an extent.if we could get a top 2 OT-fine.or the best DE.the only thing i see is one person on here is pushing Raji and some of us don’t think he should be the pick.we feel there are other more glaring needs-for instance we only have 2 LBs,we cut our RDE and are shopping our LDE.our OL is full of questions.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Lefty
I would hope we could resign Brown as we talked about late last week.
I am all for however we can improve our line play.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
S&B,
I still have to say no to Raji with that #7 pick S & B.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Nobody worry about Raji. Facts are Facts. Al drafts measurables. 6′1″ DT don’t get drafted by the Raiders. Just ask Dorsey.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Brown should be no more than a STer or backup.he was really one of our weak spots on Def.-more so than Kelly,and that is the point.people complain about Kelly,Warren,and Sands but seem to find a guy like Brown acceptable.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Oh man! I was bugging Gannon was on the field in a key drive and the crowd was going crazy and Gruden was sending in plays that Gannon didn’t want to run. And he would curse at Gruden to hurry up and send in plays. Grduen would respond likewise yelling an screaming because Gannon was changing plays. He once said you run the funk what I tell ya’ and Gannon just went bullistic. To say the least the drive was successful but how it got there was must see once in a lifetime stuff for soemone like myself.
I would’ve loved to see Stabler and Madden. But that will always stay with me. But it really happens much more than anyone wants to believe. It’s not unusual but it was for me to be there and witness it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Offensive line production for the last three games of 2008, projected over 16 games:
149 yards rushing / 4.6 yards per carry
That would have made us the fourth-ranked rushing offense in the NFL in 2008.
421 pass attempts / 21 sacks
Would have been sixth in the NFL for fewest sacks given up.
Add some depth there and a dynamic, playmaking receiver and there you go.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Bet we see DMC split out or in the slot alot more in 09′…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
so who’s gonna play safety?? I hope Al doesnt go DB with the #7 pick…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Heres and article on Walker’s rumored release…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
I wouldn’t mind looking at WR Kenny Britt in the upcoming draft.
Not elite speed, but big body and good desire.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Priest-Madden and Stabler were much more amicable.Stabler didn’t get all bent out of shape like Gannon-much more even keel.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
408-i don’t think we have to worry about that.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Nnamdi21 the kid should lineup whereever there’s a weakness to attack the defense and we have to get him involved early to force the defense to matchup and then we run at them. DMC’s soph. season should be spectacular.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
so who’s gonna play safety?? I hope Al doesnt go DB with the #7 pick…
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Tyvon Branch and Hiram Eugene?!
I would not be surprised to see the #7 go to Malcolm Jenkins and convert him to FS…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Blackholepriest Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Nnamdi21 the kid should lineup whereever there’s a weakness to attack the defense and we have to get him involved early to force the defense to matchup and then we run at them. DMC’s soph. season should be spectacular.
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Amen to that my brutha…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Nnamdi-to be honest that would surprise the hell out of me.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I hope your right Lefty…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
That’s what I meant BOB a kid with that skill level no way he last into the 2nd rnd unless extenuating circumstances. Attitude, drugs…etc;
But these issues with Crabtree and Smith are good news for us because we’re at #7 if both drop then hopfully both QB’s jump into the top 6. Then we will be in fat city. The phone will be ringing… and I will be the first to know what the pick is. Unlike the rest of you idiots I have connections.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
did any1 see maclin @ thr combine??
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
866 BHP said:
“I would’ve loved to see Stabler and Madden. But that will always stay with me. But it really happens much more than anyone wants to believe. It’s not unusual but it was for me to be there and witness it.”
Apparently Kenny the Snake was one coooool mutha facku especially when the pressure was on…
AWESOME!
love the ode schoo’ baby…
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Nnamdi-to be honest that would surprise the hell out of me.
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I know, but Davis does draft alot of DB’s don’t he?!
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Oh man! I was bugging Gannon was on the field in a key drive and the crowd was going crazy and Gruden was sending in plays that Gannon didn’t want to run. And he would curse at Gruden to hurry up and send in plays. Grduen would respond likewise yelling an screaming because Gannon was changing plays. He once said you run the funk what I tell ya’ and Gannon just went bullistic. To say the least the drive was successful but how it got there was must see once in a lifetime stuff for soemone like myself. But then again, none of you idiots will ever have the chance to something like that in your entire lowly lives. Because you don’t have connections like I do.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
that’s why one of my favorite stories was when the Raiders were playing,i believe the sea of hands game against Miami,and Stabler went to the sidelines and Madden was going ballistic and Stabler looked up at all us crazy Oakland Raider fans and says”man,John,the fans are sure getting their moneys worth today”.Classic!
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
I don’t know why you guys waste your time on this board? I know everything and should start my own blog to keep you idiots informed.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Patrick Turner is a beast. We need to get him and Crabtree.
Maclin looked nice.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
You see the difference between me and you scumbags is I know all there is to know about football and you priks don’t know squat. Of course I’ve been rubbing elbows with Al’s boys for as long as I can remember while you jokers still have to pay to get inside the colliseum. Losers!
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Patrick Turner ain’t sh1t, no offense. Crabtree has a bum wheel and isn’t in the picture.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I know Left, plus Kenny called his own plays.
But Gruden was part ways on the field and ready to take Gannon on, and Gannon was ready to oblige. For a second I thought something was going to happen and if there weren’t the type of vets playing with Gannon maybe something would’ve. It was crazy to watch.
We’ve gone the safety route just 3 years ago and the guy has panned out. We simply can’t risk it with the talent available at the top of this draft also our needs are not in the secondary that’s the only area that I’d say we’re very good.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
The thing that really bugs me about you idiots is when I come on board what I tell you is gospel. Yet there are those of you that still doubt me. Admit it peons, it always comes back to bite you in the ass.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I know Left, plus Kenny called his own plays. But with my contacts I knew what plays were going to be called before anyone else did.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Butthole prick you are so transparent, you are fooling yourself and no one else. Moron.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Priest-exactly.that is why it would be nice to move down a few spots-right in front of the donkeys and maybe get the player they want-Rey-plus extra picks.although,i’ve noticed ,at least on Mayocks board that Cushing is now rated higher than Rey albeit at different positions.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Buttholeprick Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I know Left, plus Kenny called his own plays. But with my contacts I knew what plays were going to be called before anyone else did.”
You just sound like a jealous B!TCH
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
We’ve gone the safety route just 3 years ago and the guy has panned out. We simply can’t risk it with the talent available at the top of this draft also our needs are not in the secondary that’s the only area that I’d say we’re very good.
Besides my insiders will be letting me know who the pick is going to be within the next week. It’ll be really big. When I get the okay I’ll brag to you losers who it is.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
prick-i’m stuck on here because my wife is watching the AAs.please save your garbage until later so for the next few hours those of us who like to can talk football.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Now, now guys. I know that you all wished you could get all the inside dope just like I do. But you are just little insignificant people who don’t matter. Where I rub elbows with anyone who really counts. I know, Iknow, you all wish you could be me. Dream on losers.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Left12, Cushing is one hell of a player. He may just turn out to be a better pro, who knows? But I would take either player and be extremely happy. I’m thinking the way things are going we are going to have our pick of 4-5 truely great players as far down as #7 and that’s what you want.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Well losers, I know as soon as I leave the board you idiots won’t have anything to discuss. Heading for a business dinner. Big Al might even be there. If I’m not too tired when I get home I might give you idiots the privelidge to know what I was able to find out. But if I were you idiots I wouldn’t hold my breath.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
# lefty12 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Priest-Madden and Stabler were much more amicable.Stabler didn’t get all bent out of shape like Gannon-much more even keel.
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Of course Stabler was calling his own plays, and John was working with the defense for the most part.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
that is why the draft is such a crap shoot.should teams go by what the guy has done,admittedly against lesser talent than he will see in the NFL ,or go for the guy who everyone sees the pot
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I hate to admit it guys but that little troll prick is right. I do sometimes sound like I am better than the rest of you. It’s just that when I was little my dad was always off visiting clients. He never had time for me. We never went to games together. He never went in the backyard to throw the ole pigskin around with me. This little troll made me look at myself in the mirror. And let me tell you what, I didn’t like what I saw. I turned out to be just like the old man. Reminds me of that Cat’s in the Cradle song by Harry Chapin. I apologize to all my brothers in the Raider Nation. I’m going to be a better Raider brother. Finally, I won’t be bragging about all the big people I know. I just hope that all of you, my brothers can find it in your hearts to forgive me for acting like such a jerk
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
# Joey Bee 1 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Patrick Turner is a beast. We need to get him and Crabtree.
Maclin looked nice.
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We need guys who are going to make us a much more PHYSICAL football team. And I mean, MUCH MORE. Crabtree having a stress fracture is a problem. Maclin got up slowly EVERY SINGLE RECEPTION he had as a collegian, and if you don’t believe me, Maclin got hurt at the buffet table at the combine for crissakes! Guys like Ron Brace, Andre Smith, Jason Smith, Moala, Clay Matthews, guys like that will help our team the most.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
sorry-everyone sees the potential in and looks good in workouts.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
# lefty12 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
that is why the draft is such a crap shoot.should teams go by what the guy has done,admittedly against lesser talent than he will see in the NFL ,or go for the guy who everyone sees the pot
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“you have to realize, you are going to be wrong 50% of the time.” Bill Polian, one of Oakglenn’s favorite personnel guys.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
If any WR would be taken by the raiders, i vote for Robiskie.
He has everything. I thought he was slower than he did at the combine.
He is very agile and he has very goo hands.
He will be the best WR coming out of this years draft.
He also has a big plus. His father is WR coach for the falcons. So if he needs to improve on something or work on something during the offseason, it will be very easy for him to work on it and improve it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I think we should take another punter, just in case.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
No, phony Oakglenn, but maybe a troll should go shoot himself in the head. That would be good.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Hey fellas, this is the real me. Am I the only one who noticed that ‘phony Oakglenn’ is redundant? Good one, troll!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:14 pm
duh, duh, duh, real me, duh, duh, oakglen, duh, err, frip
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Camille, I said the same thing months ago. If Robiskie is available early in the 3rd round you grab him. Now it looks like he will go 2nd round.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Man how I hate my troll. Grrr. He just really gets under my skin. I think I’m going to tell him to kill himself again. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I have to go watch the Oscars for a little bit to see who’s going to win best show tune. I love musicals. So if anybody posts as me, they’re someone else.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
actually I love my troll. I own him. He sits here and waits all day and nite for me and others to show up. I own his life. It’s hilarious. Joke is on you loser.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
That’s what I want to aspire to in my life. To sit on an internet blog and try to imitate others for idiotic reasons. What a great use of my time. I must be a super genius to do that. I’m a super genius troll. I guess I will never make it onto a stamp tho.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Wow. So, I sit here and post as someone else. That is the greatest thing ever. It really is. It requires genius and fortitude. They give out Nobel prizes for trolling don’t they? No I meant I get an Oscar for being an internet troll. Or the Heisman for trolling a football site right?? There has to be some award for wasting my life.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I’m sure that my ‘psychological games’ are really starting to get to him. No doubt he’s about to crack and leave here for good. I’m a genius, I really am.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 pm
there you are troll. Back again. I win again. Stay here, don’t go anywhere. Spend your time posting as me. It’s great. You’re getting over. You are a super genius. Here, we’re calling Stockholm to get you a Nobel for that. What a turd. hahahaha
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Let me guess troll. You’re fat, bald, stupid and you wack off five times a day cause no female human would touch you with a 40 foot pole. And you have no future. Or any hope. You should die.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Say, I’ve got a good idea: I’ll make fun of him. Yeah, that’ll do it. I’m Oakglenn, damn it. I’m a god around here!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:50 pm
I was the voice of my generation. I created tons of great songs. If I spent my time on an internet site being nothing but a moronic tool, I would shoot myself.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm
You wish you were Oakglenn.
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I AM Oakglenn, damn it! I own you, boy. My head games are really messing with your head, I can tell. Especially my Kurt Cobain one, that was brilliant AND humorous. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CIA calls and tries to hire me. I could make a terrorist confess. I am Oakglenn, hear me roar!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Yo Nation, lets cut walker…hes a bum!
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
How do I become an internet troll? That must be a great thing. Do you need a great mentor to help you become an internet troll?
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
You are beginning to melt down Oakglenn troll. You are cracking. There is only one way to end your pain. And it is painless.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Im pretty sure Al will make a run at Haynesworth, I sure hope so.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
That sand negro movie must be good, I will go see it, if its available anywhere.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I think we are lucky to be at 7 this year. All the talent level are pretty much similar from 1 to 7 IMO. There’s not any super stud can’t miss prospect except for Curry and maybe Raji. Lots of folks are jumping on the Jason Smith bandwagon but workouts dont mean anything to me. The film does. He didnt make first team all american and I believe he plays way too up right. Anyone we pick at 7 is going to be fine for those top 15 prospects.
On another note, any of you guys think Mayock is much better than Kiper? I read Kiper’s chat Q&A and he was dead wrong on Moreno’s speed vs Wells. He was also way off on Jenkins and White.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
slumdog millionaire is a good movie. Solid script, well acted. At the end of the movie, the troll kills himself.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Camel, we can’t afford Haynesworth’s salary. We dont have room for the cap to take his salary.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Heres and article on Walker’s rumored release…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
I wouldn’t mind looking at WR Kenny Britt in the upcoming draft.
Not elite speed, but big body and good desire.
^^^^I would accept it if the Raiders pass on Crabtree and pick A Smith, Maualuga or Orakpo and then snag Britt or Turner in Round 2. Big fast, physical WR’s who have good hands are the type of WR’s this team needs. Not track guys….
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:05 pm
why spend so much money on one F.A. when there are so many other positions that need to be filled???
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
These sand negros at the oscars,..betcha some are al qaida.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 pm
There is no salary cap and has never been one.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
where’d he go?? He was just OWNING this blog. hahahaha
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
What do you care how much the team has to spend for haynseworth?…bfd…its only money, and not yours so stop being concerned about it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 pm
We don’t have the money to dip into the free agent market again. And if you guys have noticed, the best free agents (Lechler, Nnamdi, Jordan Gross) get snatched up by their own teams. Otherwise, you just end up over paying for garbage.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
there were 4 games we should have won last year:
1. vs. the Bills. Prevent D in the 4th prevented us
from winning.
2. The 1st game vs. the Bolts. No offensive output and
poor D in the 4th quarter.
3. The loss to the Dolphins. Had the lead in the 4th,
why cant we close games? Poor coaching.
4. The 2cnd game vs. the Chiefs. Why is the who called
the fake FG???? Horrible play calling.
If the Raiders would have won those 4 games (that they should have won) they would have won the division.
The solution….HIRE COMPETENT COACHES!!!!!!
It doesn’t matter who we get in the draft or in F.A. we still have the worst coaching staff in the NFL.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
You are all still whiners , get a life.Especially you racist fools.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Camel Jockey Says:
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
What do you care how much the team has to spend for haynseworth?…bfd…its only money, and not yours so stop being concerned about it.
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Dude, you’re an idiot. Last that I checked we’re still in the cap era you dumb a$$.
February 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 am
Again.
Do we take the chance on Crabtree (stress fracture) at # 7 WE NEED TO START GETTING THINGS RIGHT
DO I HAVE TO REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT THE LAST 6 YEARS
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