Raiders confirm Walker; Boller a possibility
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 5th, 2009 at 12:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Without getting into the specifics of the contract numbers the Raiders confirmed that Javon Walker has restructured his contract and will return to the team in 2009.
“This shows Javon’s loyalty and commitment to our football team,” senior executive John Herrera said Thursday. “He’s coming off a season where he was injured, but he’s been productive in the past and it’s not a stretch to think he could be back to that level.”
Walker originally had a salary cap figure of $10.833 million and was due a $5 million signing bonus and a $4 million salary.
Regardless of how the numbers were changed (or cut), the Raiders will be on the hook for at least $1.833 million against the cap _ the pro-rated amount of the original $11 million signing bonus. His salary will also count against the cap.
Market value aside, the give-back is believed to be significant, at a figure much higher than those of previous years which were accepted by other players, including running back LaMont Jordan.
In other developments, Charlie Frye wasn’t the only quarterback who has visited the Raiders of late. Former Cal quarterback Kyle Boller also paid a recent visit to Alameda.
Boller spent last year on the injured reserve list of the Baltimore Ravens. He started the preseason opener but hurt his shoulder in a later preseason game against Minnesota.
His days were numbered the moment the Ravens drafted Joe Flacco out of Delaware.
In 53 career games (with 42 starts) Boller has completed 56.9 percent of his passes for 7,846 yards, 45 touchdown passes and 44 interceptions.
Raiders quarterbacks currently under contract aside from Russell are Andrew Walter and free agent acquisition Bruce Gradkowski.
The Raiders had no comment about the availability of Terrell Owens, who still hasn’t officially been on the official league wire. Owner Jerry Jones confirmed to NFL.com that Owens has been released.
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March 5th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
1st
March 5th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
couldnt resist
March 5th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Hell yeah Boller would be an excellent backup. Damn right Boller can be the clipboard holder
March 5th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Russell – Boller – Gradkowski would be a nice group of arms if you ask me.
Personally I wouldn’t mind us picking up T.O. either. The guy can play football at a high level – we have seen precious few players lately that can do that. Usually T.O. is a model citizen for at least 1 year…maybe we can get a playoff berth out of him and give Russell some confidence.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I doubt it was Jovan’s loyalty to the team, it was the only way he was going to get any more money. He and AL both played their hands well; this was the only possible outcome.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Deth you had a great first line then you lost me with the TO thing. Look we already voted yes on Prop 8 in California. We dont want TO
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Suicide watch for TO in the next few years. I’m not playing. He will kill himself because the spotlight is gone. He doesnt speak well and doesnt have a personality. All he does is do moves right out of Soul Train from the 80s
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
good raider talk with gary today….i like how he snubbed that callers commets about cooper
March 5th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
PFT Reporting that the Chargers are probably not interested in TO…
…there, you little babies can sleep better now, lol.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Is Walker even healthy? What can we really count on from this guy this year? Cmon people, are you really telling me that you’re comfortable with only JLH and Chaz?
Amazing!
March 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
Of course it is. I told yall all this last summer but yet idiots on here like Kell talk about his education, money and job or whatever. People out here in Cali are running up in the houses now. You havent seen nada yet. I know some who are doing the robberies and killing here.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
JHill (New to this Troll Shyt) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Is Walker even healthy? What can we really count on from this guy this year? Cmon people, are you really telling me that you’re comfortable with only JLH and Chaz?
Amazing!
And Shields who the organization loves to death. This is no secret. Very good speed and tremendous hands and route running ability. You will be surprised Jhill next year. The smog will start clearing a lil fromyour system
March 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Jhill= TO a winner? Thank you. HASNT WON A PLAYOFF GAME SINCE 2002 when the 49ers got a gift by the refs. TO is a loser a player and a person. He had a rough childhood in which he found out his real dad lived next door and wouldnt acknowledge him. His sister was his best friend and he never knew it until his father wouldnt allow her to play with him. This happened when he was 9. Dude needs help. Football needs to be on the back burner
March 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
The General is kicking ass today!!! But what’s new?
March 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
You must’ve missed this amoungst the garbage …
I’m not being negative towards Schillens, I like the kid. I REALLY hope Shields is the guy who makes all of this moot. I would love to see Schillens and Shields on the out side with JLH running in the slot. That is the #1 scenario for me.
#2 is TO or Ocho Cinco.
#3 is drafting WR at 7.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Brien=the Terrell Owens of this Blog
March 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
lol
March 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
The only reason the bay area media wants T.O to join the raiders is so they can have more ammunition for negative articles and talk show fodder.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
PFT:
RAIDERS NOT INTERESTED IN T.O.?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2009, 3:45 p.m. EST
OK, we’re kind of getting bored with this — sort of like the “hello” voice. But now that we’ve started it, we can’t stop.
And, actually, this T.O.-related nugget might be the most significant one yet.
Dave Mason of KHTK in Sacramento tells us that he called Raiders exec John Herrera regarding the team’s potential interest in Terrell Owens.
Said Herrera: “We’re as happy as can be right now.”
While it’s not a “yes,” it really isn’t a “no,” either.
And we wonder whether Herrera would still feel as happy as he can be if Tim Kawakami were to put his “f–king hand” on Herrera.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
WeThePeople Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Brien=the Terrell Owens of this Blog
Nope, I’m the Chad Johnson more like it becuz I like women
March 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Brien<——-a Cali boy and all I do is bake cake……and guess where your bitch coming after spring break?!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I dont think TO would want to play here anyway, and i dont see how he helps us. we arent going to the superbowl this year and hes not a good role model for young receivers. we need to bring in TORRY HOLT to mentor JLH , shilens and crabtree.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
JHill (New to this Troll Shyt) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
When did I say TO was a winner?
Here we go ……………..
You want a vetran WR right? And what type do we need in Oakland? A winner. Here we’ve been
March 5th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I say forget TO, there’s plenty of WR depth in this year’s draft. It’s not a SBowl or bust type of year so let’s just continue to move in the right direction.
Sign Khalif Barnes, pickup a DT or two.
Even better than Crabtree would be Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, B.J. Raji or A, Curry but I doubt any of those gys will be there @ 7. If not take Crabtree. If he’s not there Maybin or evn Andre Smith.
So far this offseason is going great IMO.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
kyle Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I dont think TO would want to play here anyway, and i dont see how he helps us. we arent going to the superbowl this year and hes not a good role model for young receivers. we need to bring in TORRY HOLT to mentor JLH , shilens and crabtree.
Speaking of winner veteran WR. Thank you Kyle
March 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
But Kyle no Craptree though. I’ll pass
March 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Brien<—————-likes a freshly tossed salad with his fruit basket!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Raji=lololololololol
March 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Brien<—————-likes a freshly tossed salad with his fruit basket!!!!
yawwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
March 5th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Trolling as me means= you are paying allegiance to the fact you cant stand to me as a man. I’m that intimidating?
March 5th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Springs signs with Pats…man they know how to work the system.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
BBB, and others.
Orakpo has so much athletic ability, that he can play OLB in 3-4 scheme. Now the kid is 21 and he is 6′4 6′5 and about 270. He can add a few pounds. Look at branch, when he was drafted he was 198 and now he is 208. He is strong and fast, and he can add a few more pounds and not lose speed. He is 21 yrs old. He will add more muscle.
That being said, he is not a base end like jay, but he is an every down end, jay did will with 3 sacks last year as a base end who didn’t play every down. Orakpo can play week side end and jay on the strong side ( where the TE is or the extra blocker) so Po can have one on one with the LT. And burgess can play on nickle rusher, and take less snaps on rushing plays.
Now add a NT to that Mix and boom. Instant upgrade on rush and pass D. Then that will allow the DBs to make more plays. Also drop the 2 LB in cover to make plays. Al I can see it, can you. Cmon Al draft Po and a NT in the 3rd or 4th and a center in the 2nd. The perfect draft.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Brien<———–beats em down with ease. Who wants it? No one! I’m the general and I bow to the dual monarchy headed by Oakglenn and BHP
March 5th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I really dont dig Brian OkrapkO but I would take him over midget man Raji
March 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Okrapko is athletic at 6′4 270 running a 4.7 and jumping 39.5 on the vert. I can see Al going that way or reaching for Michael Johnson at 6′7 266 4.6 inthe 40 with tremendous long arms
March 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
2008 4 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
2007 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2006 7 Michael Huff SS Texas
2005 23 Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
2004 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2003 31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
2003 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
2002 17 Phillip Buchanon CB Miami (Fla.)
2002 23 Napoleon Harris MLB Northwestern
2001 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2000 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
1999 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
1998 4 Charles Woodson CB Michigan
1998 23 Mo Collins T Florida
1997 2 Darrell Russell DE USC
1996 9 Rickey Dudley TE Ohio State
1995 18 Napoleon Kaufman RB Washington
1994 22 Rob Fredrickson OLB Michigan State
1993 12 Patrick Bates DB Texas A&M
1992 16 Chester McGlockton DT Clemson
1991 24 Todd Marinovich QB USC
1990 11 Anthony Smith DE Arizona
March 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Got a question for Jhil and Deth.
T.O. is a future hall of fame reciever. Why do you think that Dallas got ride of him? What did he do to Philly? Good reciever though hey? What would he do to a recovering disfuctional raider team then? Is this what you really want? Are you really 49er fans?
March 5th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Nose tackles that would help in this draft Ron Brace or Samme Lee Hill
March 5th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Brien<——you know he is a beast, he’s a dog……he’s a beast you know that he’s a dog
March 5th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I still think that the Patriots will sign TO for the league minimum.
No bets Dakota.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
You buy that hat yet Dogg?
March 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Al, you are the man. now sign Burnett, and a good tackle, or a NT. If not will draft a NT and a T but sign a LB. a Value like burnett will not be found in later rounds of this draft due to the bust factor.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
What do you mean you beat people down? It’s a blog where people post their opinions. You just make yourself look like a dork when you go around trying to find someone to argue with.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Kansas City is switching to the 3-4. They don’t have a nose tackle on their roster, and they already have their two OLBs.
They will not take Crabtree or Aaron Curry. They will draft BJ Raji.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Got a laugh out of “Showtime” signing with the Lions. What a loser, went to the worst organization in football for a few extra million, which if he lives out the contract (highly unlikely) after taxes and agent fee’s adds up, turns out to be not much extra money at all.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Voldemort Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
What do you mean you beat people down? It’s a blog where people post their opinions. You just make yourself look like a dork when you go around trying to find someone to argue with.
Translation:Blah blah blah blah I want T.O. to sign my thong
March 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
edward teach Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Kansas City is switching to the 3-4. They don’t have a nose tackle on their roster, and they already have their two OLBs.
They will not take Crabtree or Aaron Curry. They will draft BJ Raji.
Yes, I’m pulling for KC to do this!!! Great move IMO
March 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
animal control has been called, but they said t”hey dont make house calls for toy breeds.”.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
D
Honestly I have not. I Can’t say that I have put forth much effort yet, but I am a man of my word.
Still thinking about the old Tangerine Dream style, although I heard that the Bucs are bringing those old jerseys back for a couple of games this year. I better get on my sh1t before those cheesey old hats become hip and triple in price.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I really dont dig Brian OkrapkO but I would take him over midget man Raji
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I do agree with you. Also Raji is a NT not a UT and 7th is just too high for a NT. Wilfork, Nagata, and others are late 1st rounders.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
KC took Dorsey last year and their going to take Raji this year? Now that would be a surprise!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I highly doubt Cable wants anything to do with TO. Obviously if Al wants him he will get him, but Cable loves to talk about “changing the culture”, and signing TO would be a huge step in the wrong direction.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
And as for Tim Brown, I was never a huge fan. On most catches he was going out of bounds or to the ground before the ball even got there. YAC = dismal. He had as much chance of taking a slant to the endzone as Freddy B.
I won’t even mention the gall of the self-proclaimed “Mr. Raider” signing with the Suckaneers. I was quite pleased when our GM forced him to hold his long-overdue retirement ceremony at a hotel.
Best WR we ever had. He did have a diva ass attitude still the the man though. Raiders didnt run slants that much until Timmy’s last years come on BO! YAC after the catch dismal? Yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn thats so false I cant believe you even put that up. A guy who is a PR and KR on top of being a WR cant get YAC? Stop it now. Put that Vice Lords chi-town crack down now. Get away from that area near the United Center please. He didnt start going out of bounds until his career was in the twilight. Hey remember a 35 year Tim Brown taking it all the way on a punt return in 2001? Oldest player ever to do that? Yeah he is such a wimp lol
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Brien, you’re a clown. Let me rebut your weak diatribe (rebut means “argue against” for those of you who are products of the Oakhole school system):
1) His YAC were dismal, and that stat DOES matter. Higgins took a short slant to the endzone last year, whereas Timmy would have laid down untouched on the same play. At any point in his career.
2) You are wise to bring up his “twilight” years, which were seemingly endless. He made Rice look young and quick. And yet he was never a deep threat, even before he blew up his knee.
3) We may not have thrown many slants in the 90s, but we threw a LOT of out passes to Timmy, whereupon he immediately went out of bounds. No juke, no stiffarm, no big plays on those passes, ever. Timmy got open well against the zone, either caught the pass or dropped it, and then ducked.
4) You hate any former 49er, but forget that Tim was ready to join the Broncos for the $$$$$ and then DID sign with the Bucs right after they got our coach and beat us in the SB. Some real loyalty and class there from Mr. Raider. He should have retired in Alameda and saved himself the embarassment of being too old even for Gruden.
5) Vice Lords? Crack? United Center? Apparently you study Midwest gangs and know where the Bulls play, but that does not change the fact Timmy was a one-dimensional receiver.
6) Timmy did well as a KR in the early years, which made it even more irritating that he could never break a big play as a WR
March 5th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
So where did we leave off with that Dakota?
Did I miss something again?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Dakota..put me down as a NO to T.O.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Brien,
I like Johnson too but he is a reach at 7th with not much college production except for his SR year. He is also not that strong or apears that way to me. PO did will at Texas for a few years.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
did will, sorry. did well.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Jwiggle, the ball is in your court…you make the call on the bet.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
JWiggle, LOL!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Dorsey is too light to be a nose tackle, Jhill. He’s 305 or so, and from what I hear KC’s trying to figure out what to do with him now that they’ve made the switch. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see him at NT but with Pioli’s experience with Wilfork I think you’ll see them go after the guy that fits the position better.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
JWiggle
Dakota is due to lose a bet, he has been on a roll.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Michael Jackson back
Chris Brown charged
Robin Williams heart surgery
T.O. cut
Down still crashing
Strange day…
March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
JWiggle says: KC will not take an OLB
JWiggle says: KC will draft a player to help Cassell
Dakota says : KC will take Curry or Orakpo
March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
edward teach
Where do you fall on the TO debate? Pro TO or Hell No TO?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
didn’t Tim Brown run a 4.2 something at the draft? dude had speed when he was young. he only has 1000 catches with no QB for most of his career.
Thx, Iimme, we love you.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Dakota Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Michael Jackson back
Chris Brown charged
Robin Williams heart surgery
T.O. cut
Down still crashing
Strange day…”
Can’t help but think that these incidents are all related somehow.
Right Copie?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Timme,
March 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
edward teach Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Dorsey is too light to be a nose tackle, Jhill. He’s 305 or so, and from what I hear KC’s trying to figure out what to do with him now that they’ve made the switch. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see him at NT but with Pioli’s experience with Wilfork I think you’ll see them go after the guy that fits the position better.
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Not saying it won’t happen with a new regime in place. I realize that Dorsey wasn’t Pioli’s pick. I’m just saying it would be very surprising.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Michael Johnson probably has more upside left than Orakpo. I think Orakpo is as big as he is gonna get, like Gholston last year he is maxed out in the muscle department due to superb training.
Johnson has the height you look for, and the speed you want, and has a skinny enough frame to add quite a bit more muscle and mass. The question is, will he.
…and I have to agree with Brien on at least one thing, I am very much against drafting members of the Texas Longhorns program on sheer principle. To many busts coming out of there lately, including one of our own (Huff).
March 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
DOW still crashing….sorry
March 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
4eva
if you are out there, did you see this article?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/article981141.ece
I remember you mentioning this very device and thought this article might interest you.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Need Preston to start @ C, Wade’s worn down. Can Huff put it together this year at FS or SS and Branch play the other S spot so we don’t have to worry about S high in the draft? If we can get these 2 accomplished we’ll be in a great position to just draft best available throughout the draft and finally content. Can Eric Barton be our MLB?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
Of course it is. I told yall all this last summer but yet idiots on here like Kell talk about his education, money and job or whatever. People out here in Cali are running up in the houses now. You havent seen nada yet. I know some who are doing the robberies and killing here.
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Yeah, the Raiders really need to stay in Oakland, where you can either go out to eat and get robbed or stay at home in you $800K stucco bungalow and get jacked. LMAO.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
And as for Tim Brown, I was never a huge fan. On most catches he was going out of bounds or to the ground before the ball even got there. YAC = dismal. He had as much chance of taking a slant to the endzone as Freddy B.
I won’t even mention the gall of the self-proclaimed “Mr. Raider” signing with the Suckaneers. I was quite pleased when our GM forced him to hold his long-overdue retirement ceremony at a hotel.
Best WR we ever had. He did have a diva ass attitude still the the man though. Raiders didnt run slants that much until Timmy’s last years come on BO! YAC after the catch dismal? Yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn thats so false I cant believe you even put that up. A guy who is a PR and KR on top of being a WR cant get YAC? Stop it now. Put that Vice Lords chi-town crack down now. Get away from that area near the United Center please. He didnt start going out of bounds until his career was in the twilight. Hey remember a 35 year Tim Brown taking it all the way on a punt return in 2001? Oldest player ever to do that? Yeah he is such a wimp lol
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Brien, you’re a clown. Let me rebut your weak diatribe (rebut means “argue against” for those of you who are products of the Oakhole school system):
1) His YAC were dismal, and that stat DOES matter. Higgins took a short slant to the endzone last year, whereas Timmy would have laid down untouched on the same play. At any point in his career.
2) You are wise to bring up his “twilight” years, which were seemingly endless. He made Rice look young and quick. And yet he was never a deep threat, even before he blew up his knee.
3) We may not have thrown many slants in the 90s, but we threw a LOT of out passes to Timmy, whereupon he immediately went out of bounds. No juke, no stiffarm, no big plays on those passes, ever. Timmy got open well against the zone, either caught the pass or dropped it, and then ducked.
4) You hate any former 49er, but forget that Tim was ready to join the Broncos for the $$$$$ and then DID sign with the Bucs right after they got our coach and beat us in the SB. Some real loyalty and class there from Mr. Raider. He should have retired in Alameda and saved himself the embarassment of being too old even for Gruden.
5) Vice Lords? Crack? United Center? Apparently you study Midwest gangs and know where the Bulls play, but that does not change the fact Timmy was a one-dimensional receiver.
6) Timmy did well as a KR in the early years, which made it even more irritating that he could never break a big play as a WR
HAHAHAHA do you hear how false this crap is? This leads me to believe you missed many Raider games over your life span. timmy no juke moves? Never broke a big play? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA my god you are an idiot! No YAC? LOL Not a deep threat? Hell how could he be when he had to do everything when garbage crap like Ismail, Jett, Truiit and others were scared to go there. He had to sacrafice for the better of the team otherwise we would have been worse. LOL a guy who did KR and PR cant make big plays out in the open field! LOLOLOLOLOLOL my god you proved how much of an idiot you are!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
Of course it is. I told yall all this last summer but yet idiots on here like Kell talk about his education, money and job or whatever. People out here in Cali are running up in the houses now. You havent seen nada yet. I know some who are doing the robberies and killing here.
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Yeah, the Raiders really need to stay in Oakland, where you can either go out to eat and get robbed or stay at home in you $800K stucco bungalow and get jacked. LMAO.
or they can move to your upscale neighborhood in Illinois with the stuck up white people who dont want to live aroung the negroes right?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I might have to change my name to #84 at this point. Honest move by Walker puts his ratings up in my books. That was a class act. The Raiders can give him more money if he plays better during the new era of no salary cap if they so choose. Either way, I appreciate Walker doing that regardless of whether there was interest elsewhere because in my opinion, hes a really good player who hasn’t head his head on straight but you’d never see a guy like T.O. do something like that.
Honestly, I’d rather have Walker over T.O. T.O. is very talented but hes just not worth the troubles and JR doesn’t need to get yelled at by that prick. If he became a Raider, I would accept it but I certainly don’t endorse it. This is the year that Walker can prove his worth just like it is for Tommy Kelly. The year after an injury is always the hardest. This season should be different for guys like that. We’ve been disappointed with Trio’s of WR’s lately with the likes of…
Moss, Porter and Curry and Walker, Carter and Curry but maybe Walker, Higgins and Schilens can work? IF the Raiders can repair this offensive line through free agency and thats only IF…Then I think we should go with Crabtree. Higgins is a playmaker but hes smaller and more open to injury while returning punts. Schilens has another year to develop in my opinion but with progression. Walker is an unknown. Crabtree would need this next season to recover and get acclimated to the NFL but we’d have 4 exceptional guy to man the position along with Shields possibly and I’d like to see Jamarcus get some serious outside threats.
For me its either Crabtree or Maualuga.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
This is cmoing fromthe idiot who said Timmy never made big lays and couldnt juke anyone lol
March 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
coming*
March 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Dakota… To be honest with you, I really don’t know what to think about TO. So much is made of his alleged tantrums, but if we know one thing it’s that the media only reports the facts when they outsell the hype. When’s the last time we read anything in the national media about the Raiders that even approached reality?
I think we’ve seen that so far Al has approved of Cable’s “team-first” approach, and with that in mind I think Cable will have a say in what happens. I like his outlook on things, and I trust his judgement. If he thinks TO can come here, play hard and not be a pain in the ass, then it’s OK by me.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Just go review 1993 by its self Blow job Schlembechler and come back and talk to me about Timmy not making big plays are ever having a juke move. you have no credibility anymore. you do not watch the Raiders anymore. Go back to the Food network. I’m sure your analysis(afour letter word for you)will be much more justified
March 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Wow didn’t mean to start that one. Crazy times right now, if the Messiah were ever to go to work now would be the time.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
“This is cmoing fromthe idiot who said Timmy never made big lays”
Brien
No one ever questioned Timmy’s ability to get the ladies.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Michael Johnson probably has more upside left than Orakpo. I think Orakpo is as big as he is gonna get, like Gholston last year he is maxed out in the muscle department due to superb training.
Johnson has the height you look for, and the speed you want, and has a skinny enough frame to add quite a bit more muscle and mass. The question is, will he.
…and I have to agree with Brien on at least one thing, I am very much against drafting members of the Texas Longhorns program on sheer principle. To many busts coming out of there lately, including one of our own (Huff).
Actually Johnson gained weight fromthe end of the season and still ran very fast and impressed in drills. Now his work ethic has been questioned so I there ya go
March 5th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
“This is cmoing fromthe idiot who said Timmy never made big lays”
Brien
No one ever questioned Timmy’s ability to get the ladies.
LOL meant plays. Good catch tho
March 5th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Brien
I knew what you meant, just phukking with you bro. Plus Timmy WAS a pimp back in the day.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
BBB, and others
I like Johnson more than PO for his upside. That the problem some times with the draft, you draft a player that has so much upside like Huff, and he doesn’t produce and is labeled a bust. HUff was not a true corner or safety at Texas. he played the wolverine package where the CB plays Safety on a lot of snaps to make plays.Huff is 6 maybe 6′1 and was around 200. the idea was back then was to have him add more muscle to his small frame, and power. didn’t work out so well for huff. That is why I say, if you are going to draft a project, do it in later round.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Timmy never made big plays people. Never! He had no YAC ever!!!! Listen to Blow job Schlembitcher for football knowledge about WR LOL
March 5th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Brien
I knew what you meant, just phukking with you bro. Plus Timmy WAS a pimp back in the day.
Yeah a pimp but couldnt juke out defenders according to BJ S
March 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Why are we fooling with Walker? How about a compromise? If he doesn’t contribute after 4 games – release him!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
My god this site gets better everyday!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
PO will not add 20 pounds of muscle like Johnson may be able to do, but he can add 10 to his stronf frame at 6′4 270 now to 6′4 280. I like My DEs to be atleast 6′5 6′6, and that is why I like johnson.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
TimB: Mr. Davis, I really think I can help you out in the front office. Just let me be the new face of the franchise. I will take all the heat and you can still make all the decisions. We just have to put a spin on things when they go wrong once in a while.
Al Davis: I loved you like a son, but you broke my heart.
TimB: What? How did I break your heart? I played my ass off for you for 16 years, gave you 99 touchdowns and 1070 receptions! How could I have possibly broke your heart?
Al Davis: First off you little sonofabitch you signed an offer sheet with the DENVER BRONCOS that I had to match you little conniving motherfuker! Then you cried until I released you and then you signed with that spotlight-stealing traitorous coach! Herrera, get my gun!
TimB: Maybe I will give you a call in a few days and we can talk some more about this?
Al Davis: Herrera! Herrera, put the damned sandwich down and get me my gun!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Keeping Walker pretty much sets the WR spots.
Carter could also return from injury.
We are in for a big (and long overdue) infusion of draft talent on both lines.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Brien<———waits another 30 minutes ago for the coward BJ S to respond. guys you outta see he posted the same drivel inthe last post…………way after I spoke on Timmy. The coward did it when this post was already 50 plus posts deep. Illinois wimp
March 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
DO YOU PEOPLE LISTEN/READ ANYTHING?
Cable has been talking about ATTITUDE, a MINDSET, and Culture of losing he is just starting to overcome. TO can’t catch enough passes to make up for the damage he’d do.
THREE TEAMS HAVE DUMPED A HOF WR FOR A REASON.
Al, call your pal Jerry and get the scoop before even thinking about this bozo.
Sign Barnes and Burnett and leave the ex-Cowboys to ruin someone else’s team.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
How dare you step to me with weak shyt? I’ll crush you like Borat
March 5th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
DO YOU PEOPLE LISTEN/READ ANYTHING?
Cable has been talking about ATTITUDE, a MINDSET, and Culture of losing he is just starting to overcome. TO can’t catch enough passes to make up for the damage he’d do.
THREE TEAMS HAVE DUMPED A HOF WR FOR A REASON.
Al, call your pal Jerry and get the scoop before even thinking about this bozo.
Sign Barnes and Burnett and leave the ex-Cowboys to ruin someone else’s team.
Apparently they dont LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
March 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Bo Schlembechler Jack@$$!!!!
I can’t believe you have the nerve to hate on Tim Brown like that. How many times did we go to Tim Brown on third down and he converted for us. His knees were not in the best of shape in his career but he still found ways to make plays. Never wore gloves in sun, rain, nor snow but his hands were like glue. In his younger days he did take slants to the house and he was a deep threat. Go back to your film. In his older days Gannon could still walk the chains to the endzone with Tim Brown. Tim would go over the middle to make plays if he had to and most of the time that was his job. Hooks, Outs, slants, drags across the middle. Porter, Jett, Rocket Ismail, Willie Gault, Fernandez, Lofton that was their job to go flying down the sidelines. Tim was a ball player and he had a right to go to the Buccs or anywhere else to keep his career going if he wanted too. He wanted to get his career catching record. So he did it, good for him. He produced when other so called speedsters could not catch a freakin cold. Tim Brown has more class in his right finger for you the middle one, than most of these guys (TO, Moss, Roy Williams)etc. etc. ever will. Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Chris Carter were works of art at their positions. They knew how to use the sidelines to their advantage. Every QB loves a Tim Brown that can move the chains and protect the ball. Who is going to get the ball if they can’t go over your back and extend 4 feet to the sideline to get it. They knew the tricks of the game!!! They did not have to run 4.3-4.4 40 times to be game changers. Know the game next time before you come up lame!!! This a Raider’s blog there are some of us on here who know what excellance looks like dressed in all silver and black.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Charlie Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Keeping Walker pretty much sets the WR spots.
Carter could also return from injury.
We are in for a big (and long overdue) infusion of draft talent on both lines.
Yep
March 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
agreed Raider O,
I like this quote from Johnson though, makes me think he might have the work ethic.
Georgia Tech defensive end Michael Johnson brushed off the comments made by NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock questioning his consistency and desire. “I’ll take it in stride,” Johnson said Sunday at the NFL scouting combine. “I’m here to showcase myself and just have fun, enjoy this whole experience. I love this game.” Johnson plans to complete all of the combine drills and will use Mayock’s statements as motivation. “Any negative energy is motivation and fuel,” Johnson said. “It’s kind of funny, but I’m enjoying the process. I’m not worrying about it.” Johnson holds no hard feelings toward Mayock. Said Johnson: “He’s got a job, and I’m trying to get me one.”
March 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
ROBISKIE?
Robiskie the WR out of Ohio State and son of Terry could be a good possession guy in the 2 nd round.
1st – OT / DT or trade down for Mack.
2nd – Robiskie?
Thouhts?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Bo Schlembechler Jack@$$!!!!
I can’t believe you have the nerve to hate on Tim Brown like that. How many times did we go to Tim Brown on third down and he converted for us. His knees were not in the best of shape in his career but he still found ways to make plays. Never wore gloves in sun, rain, nor snow but his hands were like glue. In his younger days he did take slants to the house and he was a deep threat. Go back to your film. In his older days Gannon could still walk the chains to the endzone with Tim Brown. Tim would go over the middle to make plays if he had to and most of the time that was his job. Hooks, Outs, slants, drags across the middle. Porter, Jett, Rocket Ismail, Willie Gault, Fernandez, Lofton that was their job to go flying down the sidelines. Tim was a ball player and he had a right to go to the Buccs or anywhere else to keep his career going if he wanted too. He wanted to get his career catching record. So he did it, good for him. He produced when other so called speedsters could not catch a freakin cold. Tim Brown has more class in his right finger for you the middle one, than most of these guys (TO, Moss, Roy Williams)etc. etc. ever will. Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Chris Carter were works of art at their positions. They knew how to use the sidelines to their advantage. Every QB loves a Tim Brown that can move the chains and protect the ball. Who is going to get the ball if they can’t go over your back and extend 4 feet to the sideline to get it. They knew the tricks of the game!!! They did not have to run 4.3-4.4 40 times to be game changers. Know the game next time before you come up lame!!! This a Raider’s blog there are some of us on here who know what excellance looks like dressed in all silver and black.
CJ is the fukkin man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Edward Teach,
I am putting you on the PRO TO list for being so Wishy-washy about it!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Timme didn’t want to do drills at the combine, so he cam in and ran 4.2 and went home. as for his abilities, he returned kicks and punts( can’t juke : LMAO). with no real QB before Gannon, Mr. raiders finished his career in Oakland after bringing in 1000 catches, 3rd ever among WR, and he is in the top ten of every record a WR can have. as for his loyalty, he is the same person that wants to help his old team. kids now days, they don’t know Sh!T, but that doesn’t stop them from talking.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Damn Brien
You’re a needy little b1tch. You post on the minute every minute. What are you lacking in life, boy?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Dakota
Time to post the updated list for all to see.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
agreed Raider O,
I like this quote from Johnson though, makes me think he might have the work ethic.
Georgia Tech defensive end Michael Johnson brushed off the comments made by NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock questioning his consistency and desire. “I’ll take it in stride,” Johnson said Sunday at the NFL scouting combine. “I’m here to showcase myself and just have fun, enjoy this whole experience. I love this game.” Johnson plans to complete all of the combine drills and will use Mayock’s statements as motivation. “Any negative energy is motivation and fuel,” Johnson said. “It’s kind of funny, but I’m enjoying the process. I’m not worrying about it.” Johnson holds no hard feelings toward Mayock. Said Johnson: “He’s got a job, and I’m trying to get me one.”
Type of guy Al would reach for
March 5th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Wait Dogg…KoolKell are you Pro TO or Hell No TO?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Raider O
Don’t forget that Timmy won the Heisman as well. He didn’t have a lot to prove at the combine.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
BART Bridge
Saw that guy on NFLN last night. He wouldn’t be bad if he slips to the 2nd round.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
[...] [Raiders] Free Agent QB Kyle Boller Visited The Raiders On Thursday Former Cal quarterback Kyle Boller also paid a recent visit to Alameda. Boller spent last year on the injured reserve list of the Baltimore Ravens. He started the preseason opener but hurt his shoulder in a later preseason game against Minnesota. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
March 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Damn Brien
You’re a needy little b1tch. You post on the minute every minute. What are you lacking in life, boy?
Your wife and your mixed daughters are
March 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
COW,
I like the kid a lot, but I dont think he last to the 3rd. I would like our 1st to DE since IMO there more value there at & than any other possession that we need. and the 2nd I would like to get one of the top 3 centers in this draft. if he is in the 3rd and stranger things have happened, I would love to have him.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
boller and walter as backups is okay but i say we dont go sign TO he isnt the kind of player cable wants he aint a team player.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I think T.O is a lot harder to get along with than Randy Moss.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Raider O
Don’t forget that Timmy won the Heisman as well. He didn’t have a lot to prove at the combine.
Best Raiders WR ever argubly outside of Cliff Branch who should be in the Hall of Fame
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Pro T.O.
Jhill
Samhain
Rockstar
Voldemort
DT42
Raider4Life
NoMoreFargas
Mike
Chris in NY
Da Racoon
Unknown
SacRaider
S&B
Kush
Edward Teach
Hell No to T.O.
Dakota
Oakglenn
COW
M
Bo S. Jackson
Senile King
BuckRaider
Coinman
Kirk
Fillet O Fish
McFaddenswaggon
Hwnrdr
Blackdeath
666
Hubbard Run Me Throw
CJ Legend 34
Lefty12
BBB
Raider O
Brien
They Call Me Assassin
909raiderlifer
RaiderDogg
Darkknight01
Cho-Be
RaiderDell
Lynn from Snot
Randy
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
Vegas Raider
Copenhagen_Fan
March 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I think T.O is a lot harder to get along with than Randy Moss.
Wow the old man said something smart for the first time in months
March 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
Of course it is. I told yall all this last summer but yet idiots on here like Kell talk about his education, money and job or whatever. People out here in Cali are running up in the houses now. You havent seen nada yet. I know some who are doing the robberies and killing here.
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Yeah, the Raiders really need to stay in Oakland, where you can either go out to eat and get robbed or stay at home in you $800K stucco bungalow and get jacked. LMAO.
or they can move to your upscale neighborhood in Illinois with the stuck up white people who dont want to live aroung the negroes right?
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I prefer not to live around abundant crime, thanks. Saw enough in LA, and ethnicity is not the issue. BTW, it is pretty weak to call someone a racist for no reason. Its called prejudice.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I think that means KK is on the Hell No to TO list
March 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Dogg,
I forgot all about the Heisman.Thx bro.
I would love to have another Timme on my team, and that is why I told you guys if Maclin runs a 4.3 or sub, he will be the next Timme and I wanted to draft him in &th. After the Combine I was not so Impressed.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
this tim brown talk is stupid.the guy had 7 or 8 1000 yard season in the row.i`ll take one from j.walker and be happy!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
COW… I agree with you, although it might not seem that way in my earlier post. I was just saying that it ought to be up to Cable. He’s the guy that has to coach the team , and if he feels the least bit like TO would be a problem then he should have the right to say no.
As far as Roy Williams, I don’t think he has enough left in the tank to contribute here, especially with the emphasis our system puts on speed and coverage from the safety position. He did, however, make one of the best plays I’ve ever seen a college player make against Texass (yes, I spelled it that way on purpose) when he was at OU. Texass was backed up at their own two in the 4th quarter in a very close game and faced a third and long. A blitz was called, then Stoops overruled the defensive staff and called it off. Williams ignored the change and blitzed anyway. He leaped over the entire Texass O-line and in midair, slammed Simms to the ground in the end zone for a safety. Game over. Incredible play, and I think he went about 10 places higher in the draft that year because of it.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Brien,
dont forget Mr. TD Carter. He is one of the greats.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Anyhow its time to roll up and roll out, Nice bay area type of weather. must go enjoy this. I had much fun but its time to start the weekend off right
March 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Brien,
dont forget Mr. TD Carter. He is one of the greats.
Yeah he was
March 5th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
By the way, our world is collapsing. Dow down another 300 points, with unemployment numbers coming out tomorrow (and probably another 700,000 jobs lost) watch out.
Of course it is. I told yall all this last summer but yet idiots on here like Kell talk about his education, money and job or whatever. People out here in Cali are running up in the houses now. You havent seen nada yet. I know some who are doing the robberies and killing here.
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Yeah, the Raiders really need to stay in Oakland, where you can either go out to eat and get robbed or stay at home in you $800K stucco bungalow and get jacked. LMAO.
or they can move to your upscale neighborhood in Illinois with the stuck up white people who dont want to live aroung the negroes right?
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I prefer not to live around abundant crime, thanks. Saw enough in LA, and ethnicity is not the issue. BTW, it is pretty weak to call someone a racist for no reason. Its called prejudice.
Never called you racist son. Try again
March 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I would rather sign T.O. than Roy Williams. At least when T.O. is on the field he can play.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Brien<———-supreme
Brien<———-whips them all
Brien<———-time to jet……..at ya later
March 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
no michael johnson!!
draft the highest player on the board..
for once…
please!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
if owens comes cheap, sign him up..
March 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Big Mouths = Low Confidence
March 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
BBB,
Mike Mayock and others have a job to do, and they are human, so they make a lot of mistakes. If that wsn’t the case then Tatupu would have been drafted before Rout, Boldin and S smith would have been 1st rounders, and gallery would have not been “the safest pick in the draft”.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
we need to get T.O!!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Yeah Raider O I think D-line is priority since it is so weak. Maylock was saying DE Johnson was a 1st rounder. I wouldn’t mind D-line in the 1st and Center in 2nd. PLEASE slide to us Mack, PLEASE.
EVERY SB RAIDER TEAM HAD A GREAT Center. Robbins was great just you know..
March 5th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Brien,
I am not a Timmy brown hater by any stretch, but he was one dimensional. His YAC were limited, as was his big play potential. Thats my opinion, you prejudiced blowhard.
But more importantly, you refuse to address that Timmy was eager to join the Donks and then jumped ship for the dreaded Suckaneers. Yet you hate on every 49er who CHOSE to become Raiders. Timmy “Mr. Raider” Brown TWICE CHOSE TO LEAVE OUR TEAM TO JOIN AN ARCHRIVAL.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Dakota, post 93 makes a good point.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
if we are patient we can get owens for cheap, or maybe holt from the rams.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I don’t think that Cal Center will last into the 2nd round.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
BBB,
One more thing about Johnson. If you look at the combine workouts for D linemen. you will see Johnson assisting the coaches and players in the drills, and the coaches were asking him to demonstrate the drills to the other players. Talk about work ethic, but college production is a different story. he had one good year (SR) and that was it.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I don’t think that Cal Center will last into the 2nd round.
I agree, but we can still draft one of the other top 3 centers.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Kool,
I can’t see Mack making it past Pittsburgh at #32. Whoever is anchoring the middle of their line gave up 3 sacks to Dockett in the bowl. They will grab him if he is there.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
no johnson…
its just another ugly reach.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
take the best player on the board..
March 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
RAIDER DRAFT STOCK WATCH
Restructure Walker’s deal – With JLH, Chazz, Walker and Sheilds under contract
WR Draft Pick? LESS LIKELY
No signingof Barnes (yet)
OT Draft Pick? MORE LIKELY
Keep auditioning back-up QBs
QB late draft pick – LESS LIKELY
No DE or DT interviewed
DL pick? MUCH MORE LIKELY
March 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Brien the General(Still gets trolled) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Brien<———-supreme
Brien<———-whips them all
Brien<———-time to jet……..at ya later
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Brien<——is Chris Brown?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Dakota – I’d like to be added to the V.I.P. list of N.O. T.O please.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Thank God the Raiders drafted JaMarcus Russell in 2007! Could you imagine having to rely on free agents in this weak market for QBs.
We’d be talking about bringing in Byron Leftwich or Jeff Garcia or Kyle Boller as a starter. Nevermind a guy like Rex Grossman.
Thank you Al for locking up the QB position.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
#24…done
March 5th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Dakota
“HELLS BELLS”
March 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Glad Walker restructered, his market value probably gave him no choice….He’s got good size and speed, and I saw him make a couple of tough catches last year.
I have a feeling he’ll be comfortable & produce.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I think Johnson is 1st round material but not #7. The other problem is 1st round DEs are pass rushers. We need a balanced run/pass guy. Shoot T Scott can just pass rush and MJ looks alot like Scott.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
if a coach or quarterback cant handle a punk like T.O then they aren’t good enough to win a superbowl anyway.. bring him in.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
COW, BBB, and others,
I like johnson’s potential, and there is a lot of that with him. The problem is , when you say the kid has so much upside and potentail usually translates into nut much production at college, but the kid is an athlete. like I stated the problem with that is with so much potental and upside, the bust factor increases. I say we have taken so many risks before on potential and upside AKA Washington, Rout, Gibson, and others. time for players with college production for a few years, no more one hit wonders.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
look.. DT is too weak for the 7th pick..
the OTs are over rated this year.
take a playmaker. or trade down.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
The thing about these Raiders, the Leaders are JaMarcus Russell & Darren McFadden. Players as yet unjaded, and looking to make a name for themselves. MOTIVATED!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
COW,
Agreed, all the 1st round DEs are pass rushers except for LSU Jackson. PO is strong to play the run from the week side, so you team him up with Jay who also had 3 sacks ( not bad for a base end who didn’t take every snap). you have burgess come in on passing downs instead of Jay. that gives us one more year to develop Scott to take Burgess spot as a situational pas rusher.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Bo Schlembechler Jack@$$!!!!
I can’t believe you have the nerve to hate on Tim Brown like that. How many times did we go to Tim Brown on third down and he converted for us. His knees were not in the best of shape in his career but he still found ways to make plays. Never wore gloves in sun, rain, nor snow but his hands were like glue. In his younger days he did take slants to the house and he was a deep threat. Go back to your film. In his older days Gannon could still walk the chains to the endzone with Tim Brown. Tim would go over the middle to make plays if he had to and most of the time that was his job. Hooks, Outs, slants, drags across the middle. Porter, Jett, Rocket Ismail, Willie Gault, Fernandez, Lofton that was their job to go flying down the sidelines. Tim was a ball player and he had a right to go to the Buccs or anywhere else to keep his career going if he wanted too. He wanted to get his career catching record. So he did it, good for him. He produced when other so called speedsters could not catch a freakin cold. Tim Brown has more class in his right finger for you the middle one, than most of these guys (TO, Moss, Roy Williams)etc. etc. ever will. Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Chris Carter were works of art at their positions. They knew how to use the sidelines to their advantage. Every QB loves a Tim Brown that can move the chains and protect the ball. Who is going to get the ball if they can’t go over your back and extend 4 feet to the sideline to get it. They knew the tricks of the game!!! They did not have to run 4.3-4.4 40 times to be game changers. Know the game next time before you come up lame!!! This a Raider’s blog there are some of us on here who know what excellance looks like dressed in all silver and black.
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And “Mr. Raider” retired at the Hyatt with zero support from the team. Do you wonder why? Hint: It wasn’t because his knees were old or that he didn’t wear gloves.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
maybe T.O could teach our young raiders how to stay in shape in the off season.. or bulk up..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Dakota = NO to T.O.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
wow i’m surprised javon restructured, thats good. its definitely a good sign that things will change. on that note, i’d rather draft a wr with the 1st pick than to sign “it”. keep it positive out there for the young guys, they had enough with the kiffin drama last year. “it” will be a circus
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Vegas Raider, Coach on Wheels, KoolKell who do you think is worthy of 7th round pick?
Roll the dice!!!!! : )
March 5th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Cow, BBB, and others
You add a NT through the draft to post # 158, and I think you go from 31st to top 15. I wanted to say 10 but thats is not realistic for a team who finished last or close against the run the past 3 years.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
bringing Kyle Boller in makes me nervous..
what if he outplays JaMarcus?
they should keep Walter & Gradkowski as backups if they are worried about Russell’s confidence.
Maybe replace Walter with Charlie Frye if he doesn’t fit the new Tollner/Hackett system.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
we need more talent & competition. bring holt or t.o or sombody.. we dont have a #1 or a #2 WR..
higgins is a nice slot guy.. 2 small 2 start for a whole season. shilens is a project.. walker sucks..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
# CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Vegas Raider, Coach on Wheels, KoolKell who do you think is worthy of 7th round pick?
Roll the dice!!!!! : )
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In all sincerity, I have no idea.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Vegas Raider, Coach on Wheels, KoolKell who do you think is worthy of 7th round pick?
Roll the dice!!!!! : )
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All I know is don’t draft a MLB, that would fuk up the planned conversion of Jay Richards to MLB.
So I say draft DT Raji.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Sorry To Repost
# Oakglenn Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Actually, Dakota is right. The one thing that we will take out of Lane Kiffins play book is the more competition you have between the players, the better your team is going to be. Just because Walker restructured does NOT mean we would not go after TO. Just because we signed a bunch of offensive linemen, does not mean we won’t be drafting one high.
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None of you guys are talking about maybe the more important person in Jerry’s article who is Kyle Boller. Based on the post I made earlier, I think bringing in Boller for cheap might be a great idea. Boller was considered the top QB in the NATION coming out of high school before Tedford groomed him and Billick ruined him. He’s a So Cal, so being closer to home probably would work for him. And no doubt it would light a fire under Jamarcus’ ample ASS!! The only down side I see is as soon as Jam throws his first incomplete pass in the preseason, the boos are going to sh** rain down on him, and the chants of “kyle, kyle, kyle, kyle” will start. That would not be good.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
bringing Kyle Boller in makes me nervous..
what if he outplays JaMarcus?
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LOL! Now that is a good one. Have you seem ANYTHING that would lead you to think that he has a chance to overtake JRuss? LOL! I was wondering if he could even compete with Gradowski or Walter
March 5th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
raji is not a top ten talent…
March 5th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Kyle Boller is going to make JaMarcus Russell shiver in his boots????????? (lol)
March 5th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Vegas Raider, Coach on Wheels, KoolKell who do you think is worthy of 7th round pick?
Roll the dice!!!!! : )
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Between Raji and Orakpo. If both are available I would take Raji. One (Raji) addresses are biggest need stopping the run, the other (Orakpo) address our second biggest need on D, consistant pass-rush, especially on 3rd down.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
All this QB talk does seem to indicate Walter may finally get his wish. 5th rounder maybe?
March 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Any fan who boos JRUSS and chants for Boller to come in is an idiot.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
raider O,
My only hesitation with Michael Johnson, is his ability to stuff the run. I think all this talk about his work ethic, etc. is overblown, it really comes down to this: can he gain enough mass and skills from NFL coaches and training to stop the run and become a “complete” DE. If we are not taking a DE in the first, then I still think Robert Ayers is the most complete NFL-ready DE in the draft (could be had in the 2nd Round)
March 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
raji & johnson are top 15 guys in this weak 1st round..
not top 10..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
we signed a bunch of offensive linemen?
March 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Kyle Bollar wasn’t the only BUST QB from the 2003 draft. Byron Leftwich & Rex Grossman join him. Carson Palmer (#1 overall) was injured most of last year…
March 5th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
If it looks like a rat!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
From a Michael Johnson scouting report:
“Needs work and experience in stopping the run. Must get more reps in run situations to better understand blocking schemes and playactions. Will go full-bore at the passer on every play.”
He was used strictly as a situational pass-rusher up until this season, and was a tight end in high school, so it stands to reason that he isn’t great against the run, because he has gotten no reps stopping the run. This is the kind of defiecency that is fixable through coaching.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I highly doubt anyone will be chanting “Kyle, Kyle” unless we were 0-8 or something real extreme like that.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
If we are 0-8 we will be yelling GRUDEN GRUDEN GRUDEN!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
gruden…
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
If we go 0-8 there will be no one there to chant LOL.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
C´mon Al give us the satisfaction of reading you CUT Javon!… this dude has only two 1,000 rec. yard seasons, never caught more than 90 balls in a season and has only one 10+ td season. He’s hurt, he’s old, and he took you to the bank. Need any more reasons? Bring out the overhead and blame it on the kiff! Cut his butt!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
OakGlenn
I have heard on a few occasions Jamarcus speak to the media the importance of his position as it relates to wins and losses, and he has also mentioned how his play will reflect how others will be compensated and how their familys are relying on him.
The interviews tell me Jamarcus is very aware of the pressure of a QB in the NFL.
I don’t believe his personality will ever be concerned about who will be the back-up. Jamarcus knows about pressure, he went to LSU, and played in the SEC.
Boller on the other hand has terrible mechanics, bad decisions on the field, too may interceptions, has a lot to do with his unemployment.
The Raiders believes in Jamarcus, the ball and chain is off this year, let’s see what he can do, without any worry, if his play is sub par he will play and all will be patient.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Just in!!!:
Terrell Owens issued a statement through his website.
It says: I want to thank Jerry Jones, Coach Phillips and the Dallas Cowboys for the opportunity to be a member of the team for the past three years.
A big thanks to the fans — you’ve been awesome! I look forward to the upcoming season and continuing to play in the NFL with the Oakland Raiders.
I would like to extend my thoughts and prayers to the families of Marquis Cooper, Corey Smith and William Bleakley.
Terrell Owens
March 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
league minimum… its a good deal.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
3rd down defense has to be the priority on defense. Too many times we simply couldn’t get off the field.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
If anyone actually chanted “Kyle” at a game, I am pretty sure they would be punched in the mouth. Maybe chant “Boller” or something, but “Kyle, Kyle, Kyle”; I feel fruity just typing that.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
If we go 0-8 there will be no one there to chant LOL.
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Jim Otto will be chanting: Gruden Gruden Gruden!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
gruden……
March 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Rockstar – Walter outplayed Russell last preseason and outplayed McCown / Culpepper the year before. It doesn’t matter. Russell will start and barring a Leinart / V Young style stinkfest he’ll keep starting.
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Who’s worthy of #7?
Ugh! I don’t like this spot at all. This year’s crop is tier thick. Meaning there are 3-4 guys at the top of every position we need that are about the same. I only hope an early run on some light position prompts a trade down possibility for us.
Of course Al drafted Seabass in the first so if he wants Mack bad enough…
March 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
no to boller.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
look.. DT is too weak for the 7th pick..
the OTs are over rated this year.
take a playmaker. or trade down.
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Which OT’s are over rated??? Jason Smith the lst Team All American from Baylor, Michael Oher who started in the SEC as a true freshman and excelled in 34 straight games, Eugene Monroe the prototypical LT who allowed 2 sacks in the ACC his entire last year, or Andre Smith the Outland Award Winner for the best lineman in the country who at 345lbs ran a 5.3 forty???
March 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Well we’ve got RT depth, Crabtree now, I think is off the board. We’ve still got a lot of money invested at DT…… We do need a Center, at this point.
Maybe they DO trade down and zero in on the Cal Center (forget his name)
March 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
im not the only one sayin theres not really any top ten o-linemen in the draft.. they all have weaknessess.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
As I said before trade back and take Alex Mack. the Raiders will have a dominant center again for a decade or so.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
trading back is probly the best choice. unless crabtree slips way down.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Al won’t trade down. Al has made a living out of finding DT value in later rounds. Al likes speed & DBs…We need a starting safety and depth at corner. Al is taking the fastest DB on the board. (and you know it).
March 5th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Any fan who boos JRUSS and chants for Boller to come in is an idiot.
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# BART Bridge Blues Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
If anyone actually chanted “Kyle” at a game, I am pretty sure they would be punched in the mouth. Maybe chant “Boller” or something, but “Kyle, Kyle, Kyle”; I feel fruity just typing that.
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You guys are making me feel alot better here. Thank you. Jamarcus’ MOM is not as big a Jam as I am.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I just spotted Owens driving to Oakland.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
#199
I wish we would, makes the most sense. Help us save some money, get the best player in the country at his position, which is a position currently with a huge hole for us, and maybe get a 3rd or 4th rounder on top of it.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Al will take a db. just to be an a$$.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Mack is the best lineman for the zone blocking system in the draft. He is smart enough to call all the blocking adjustments at the line of scrimmage, has a nasty attitude on the field, and has the size to match up with NFL DTs. Plus his old line coach is now the Raiders line coach.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Oakglenn,
I know everyone keeps saying that the left tackle position is now filled with Henderson, but did you notice if they were still compensating for Henderson by keeping Miller in as an extra blocker the last five games?
I know Miller only had 2 receptions in that last game.
If drafting a LT at #7 that doesn’t need assistance from the TE as much means opening Miller up for receptions, then we’ve got to do it don’t you think?
March 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
trade out of the top ten then find a lineman.
unless crabtree slips to us..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Aloha my friends,..just poppin in for a break from the 88 degree heat,..but man snorkling with those cool turtles is epic,..and doing it stoned and drunk is beautiful,…so whats with T-O?…he gonna be a Raider?…brb, gotta go go load the pipe with Wowie.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I wonder how Mack did against BJ Raji. I’m sure Cable knows.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
He cut Gibril. He’s taking a DB.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dakota,
As long as it’s not Andre Smith I would be OK, not happy but OK. J.Smith or Monroe would be nice, Oher seems like he isn’t top-7 talent. Isn’t C a bigger need than LT?
March 5th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Everything I have read about Mack makes me think he is going to be a beast. He was the cog in Cals offense as soon as he took over as starter and has called the zone blocking assignments since 2006. He can clean 374 lbs a Cal record and can run a 5 second forty at 6′4″ an 316 lbs.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
RAIDERS NOT INTERESTED IN T.O.?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2009, 3:45 p.m.
OK, we’re kind of getting bored with this — sort of like the “hello” voice. But now that we’ve started it, we can’t stop.
And, actually, this T.O.-related nugget might be the most significant one yet.
Per PFT:
Dave Mason of KHTK in Sacramento tells us that he called Raiders exec John Herrera regarding the team’s potential interest in Terrell Owens.
Said Herrera: “We’re as happy as can be right now.”
While it’s not a “yes,” it really isn’t a “no,” either.
And we wonder whether Herrera would still feel as happy as he can be if Tim Kawakami were to put his “f–king hand” on Herrera.
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What Herrera said could be taken two ways, either he means that they are as happy as they can be right now because he’s been released, or they are as happy as they can be with the receivers they already have. Raider answer all the way.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
“Free agent SS Sean Jones will visit the Eagles on Friday.
Philly has a need after Brian Dawkins’ departure. Jones has surprisingly received scant interest on the open market, perhaps due to last season’s knee injury.
Source: philadelphiaeagles.com”
I’m surpriseed we haven’t looked at any SS since we cut Gibril. Jones was supposed to be a rising talent until he got hurt..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
bring TO to Oakland, give him a game by game contract ..lol
March 5th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I would take Oher, Monroe or either of the Smiths in a heartbeat, as long as Cable and Michalczak approved. Regardless of Henderson, we still need better O-tackles on this team. Even if we end up with a glut of them on the roster, that is a great problem to have with a zone scheme, because tackles can just slide inside to gaurd and excel. Get a tackle with the #7 pick, and get another one in the 4th round I say. Then let all of them complete for LT, RT and RG, in that order. Great lineman = dominant line = great team regardless of title, salary etc.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I think Walker has his head on strait now and will have awesome 2009,…Raiders will win west, easily I might ad, and then shock the mother f*ckin world and demolish the Saints in the Superbowl.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Vegas,
C is a bigger need than LT…and I think we should draft Mack, Unger or Woods in round 2. But the talent in this draft is at the tackle spot…and unless Al does something wild and trades down, what else do we do? Draft a WR with 4.6 speed (Crabtree’s rumored 40 time last year)? Draft an UT in Raji when we have Kelly on the roster (Brace played NT for BC, not Raji)? Draft a workout warrior like Johnson (Vernon G part II)? Curry will not last until #7. The linebackers have all been exposed as players with holes in their games. Orakpo is about the only other choice I see at #7.
I would love to trade down and pick up Oher or Andre Smith later in round 1 and pick up Mack in round 1 with an extra pick, but that just isn’t going to happen.
Sitting at #7 kinda sucks this year. Too early to take a C, our biggest need.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Dakota Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Just in!!!:
Terrell Owens issued a statement through his website.
It says: I want to thank Jerry Jones, Coach Phillips and the Dallas Cowboys for the opportunity to be a member of the team for the past three years.
A big thanks to the fans — you’ve been awesome! I look forward to the upcoming season and continuing to play in the NFL with the Oakland Raiders.
I would like to extend my thoughts and prayers to the families of Marquis Cooper, Corey Smith and William Bleakley.
Terrell Owens
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I read that too, but it doesn’t say “with the Oakland Raiders” at the end. LOL. You tryin to stir shyt up Dakota?
March 5th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Raiders will win west, easily I might ad, and then shock the world and demolish the Saints in the Superbowl.
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The Saints have no defense. the Raider stink in pass protection & run defense
the good news: free agency just started and the draft isn’t here yet!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Voldemort, lol, guilty as charged.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe will all be off the board when we pick. St Louis, Seattle, and Cincy all need LTs.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
What ever happened to Ray Willis? thought he made a vist..? I thought we were at least going for quantity over quality at OT..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Al got lucky with Walker restructuring in good faith because he told him not to retire. Owens is not coming to Oakland. When Al gloats on two receivers by name in a press conference those two guys are your new starters. At least it won’t be two guys that can’t play like Swervin Mervin or James Jett. Walker can ride the pine and get 100% healthy.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
What Herrera said could be taken two ways, either he means that they are as happy as they can be right now because he’s been released,
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LOL!
March 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
JWiggle,
Wait just a moment…I thought since Andre fuked up at the combine he was going to fall out of the first round according to some reports, lol…my hope is that teams are still leery of him and he falls to us at 7. We get the most talented tackle in the draft…windfall baby.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Shields or Javon cannot be counted on as #1 receiver so Crabtree isn’t a bad move assuming Cheifs don’t snatch him but we definately need a run stuffing LB and Rey is that guy. A DE that can rush the passer and stop the run would be great to upgrade Richardson for the year and replace Burgess next year but don’t know if that guy is at #7. A NT would be great but there isn’t one at #7 worth taking. Either way great job so far Al, let’s finish up fixing OL thru FA and #2 pick can go toward best WR/ Dlineman/ or S avail (Mack won’t be there)
March 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Huge Raiders fan since I was kid, been watching them for 30 years, has season tickets for 11 years in oakland and gave them up after Randy Moss’ first year and art shells first (and last). BIG FAN. I’m just going to say this to ALL Raiders fans; if the Raiders sign T.O. it is ONLY to sell #81 Jerseys (no, not Schilens) and it WILL NOT be a move to help our young and expensive QB and RB, it will only hurt those two in the long run the minute Owens opens his big mouth in training camp. This is not the guy you want around young developing players. Crabtree is going to slip to #7 with the Bengals and Seahawks addressing those needs. Crabtree is the real deal. I know , I know the O-line. There is quality in the early second round, don’t worry. We don’t need another Gallery or Stinchcomb. Crabtree is greatness in waiting and has a great attitude and will develope nicely with JR and DMC. NO OWENS, NATION!!! Protest it before it happens. If all Al wants to do is sell jerseys, I may need to take a break from being a Raider fan, it’s exhausting. NO OWENS, NO OWENS!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Alex Mack can play tackle.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Don’t trash TIM brown on this. He was a true Raider. He still bleeds silver and black unlike most of the Raiders we have had over the past ten years. Tim Brown was a class player and one of the smartest WR’s in the game. We would be lucky to get another player like him that could score on any play. And don’t forget he never had a great QB to throw him the ball in his WHOLE CAREER!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
brien?
March 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
MaddenRedneck Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Alex Mack can play tackle.
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Yeah, so can Fred Wakefield…so fukin what? Let’s try playing players at their natural positions for once.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
You never heard that from me Dakota! I don’t necessarily think that Al will draft a RT at 7 even if Smith is there. But I’ve said for a while now that 1 bad day at the combine is not going to make that much of a difference when he could still blow up his pro days and individual workout. I’ve even said I would mind if we drafted him at 7 since we are underpaying Mario. Regardless, my famous mock has him going to St Louis at #2.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
crank smoker, why ay mad at me?..cause im getting high and drunk in Kaanapali snorkling with turtles?…all good baby.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I agree Dakota, we should take Andre Smith. Who cares what happened at the combine with a LT, look at the freakin film. Then Mario could play RT? I don’t know how easy/hard it is to switch sides as an OT though, he held his own on the left side exceptionally well, so I would think that a transition to RT would be easier then playing LT, but I don’t know.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
JHill,
We’ll just have to see how Andre’s pro day goes…March 11th I believe.
I am out of here, slow day at work, might as well go home and get something done.
Final list:
Pro T.O. (insane fans)
Jhill
Samhain
Rockstar
Voldemort
DT42
Raider4Life
NoMoreFargas
Mike
Chris in NY
Da Racoon
Unknown
SacRaider
S&B
Kush
Edward Teach
Hell No to T.O. (sane fans)
Dakota
Oakglenn
COW
M
Bo S. Jackson
Senile King
BuckRaider
Coinman
Kirk
Fillet O Fish
McFaddenswaggon
Hwnrdr
Blackdeath
666
Hubbard Run Me Throw
CJ Legend 34
Lefty12
BBB
Raider O
Brien
They Call Me Assassin
909raiderlifer
RaiderDogg
Darkknight01
Cho-Be
RaiderDell
Lynn from Snot
Randy
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
Vegas Raider
Copenhagen_Fan
KoolKell
#24
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow
LA Raider
March 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Nobody asked me but I would be ok with Terrel Owens a Raider….might kick butt to prove he still da man….bring him here, all welcome in Oakland.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
The problem with Tim is that he liked to meddle in team affairs like Davis and most of the time sided with Davis or pouted till he got his way. Not to forget the numerous drops at critical times in critical games or when the temperature got below freezing while crying his way to the Superbowl only to drop more passes under pressure. Lets forget about Tim Brown please.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I say if there is not clear cut blue chip talent like Smith, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Curry and we then have to reach for a guy, why not Mack? Why reach for guys like Maclin, DHB, Michael Johnson when we can take Mack? I’d also agree with Mauluga if it comes down to it. I think we all know those two guys would be productive starters if not pro bowlers for the next 10 years. Versus a bunch of maybe’s with those other cats.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Henderson pitched a shut out versus three of the top DE’s in the present day NFL, Henderson will start at LT.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
March 16 offseason workouts begin where a lot this will shake itself out.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Boller is a good backup for this system – with no WR talent and no threat out of the backfield he still managed a 50/50 TD/INT ratio and 57% completions – he also has familiarity with a vertical attack and some real game experience – much better backup than walter and lightyears better than TUI – Gradkowski’s not a fit b/c he has a weak arm, but again he is way better than Tui and if it came down to it, we could move him around in the pocket and he can manage a game or two – I don’t know what Boller’s attitude is, but he seemed not to complain too much in Balt. even though he got the shaft – With JR getting nicked up here and there, we need somebody that can legitmatly start a couple of games a year – Walter’s attitude problem needs to go and he doesn’t have the talent anyway. Grad may be better then him and they’re probably about the same price. Boller also isn’t a vet that has been sitting on the shelf for a long time and a chance of scenery and lack of pressure of being a bust may be good for him – I’d take a risk on him, but if Kitna’s still around I wouldn’t mind kicking his tires – he’s a great mentor and backup – one of the few that has fire and can acutally lead a team to victory in a pinch. JR, Kitna, and Brad/Boller would be a good mix of experience and talent at the QB position.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
They will bring Owens in if he is cheap and agrees to keep his mouth shut.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I used to catch hell from my friends about Tim Brown. I can’t deny his numbers, or the fact he never had a QB until Gannon.
But that guy got alligator arms going across the middle, and always went down at first contact.
But he knew his position.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Oakglenn,
I know everyone keeps saying that the left tackle position is now filled with Henderson, but did you notice if they were still compensating for Henderson by keeping Miller in as an extra blocker the last five games?
I know Miller only had 2 receptions in that last game.
If drafting a LT at #7 that doesn’t need assistance from the TE as much means opening Miller up for receptions, then we’ve got to do it don’t you think?
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Dakota, not only were they keeping Miller over on Hendersons side, they were sliding the backs to Hendersons side, they were keeping the FB in to Hendersons side, and (I haven’t seen this since Bill Walsh had to go against Parcells and LT in an 1985 playoff game) even sliding THE GUARD back to help out Henderson. When I said this a few weeks back, I got lambasted for it. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OAKGLENN?? NO ONE ELSE HAS SAID THIS!!! Right. Watch the damn game, and then watch the tape. Thank You Dakota!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
look.. DT is too weak for the 7th pick..
the OTs are over rated this year.
take a playmaker. or trade down.
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So if the DTs are too weak, the OTs overrated, no RB rated this high why would anyone else trade up if the #7 is so unattractive?
Take the best player available!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
You guys are right about Henderson. Not quite sure how I missed it. He’s headed back to the bench, right? Must be since we’re clearly looking for a veteran RT, and will draft a LT at 7.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I never noticed Miller lining up on the left side, and I just watched the Tampa Game last week. I’ll watch again.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
maybe T.O could teach our young raiders how to stay in shape in the off season.. or bulk up..
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Quick, get him to talk to Terdell Sands and Tommy Kelly. Also, if the Raiders get T.O, then Andre Smith becomes less of a risk.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
In short the Raiders need to draft a WR or sign Owens and draft a center. Pears will replace Green.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Miller rarely lines up on the left side.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
bringing Kyle Boller in makes me nervous..
what if he outplays JaMarcus?
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Not going to happen. As long as Walker is working hard this offseason he will be fine this year. The guy completed 61% of his passes the last 7 games of the year. And that was with Ashley Lelie and Ronald Curry for a bulk of that time with DMAC hurt and Bush inexplicably underused.
The Raiders have one of the top 10 BEST QB situations in the league.
Russell will do fine this year as long Cable and Hackett don’t get replaced mid-season
March 5th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Any one have thoughts on going after Roy Williams? you can be sure he wont be seen getting dragged 10 yards into the endzone ala Stuey. But he can be a liability in pass defense.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
I just can’t get past these dumb arse QBs like McNabb and Romo ….
Take a page out of Tom Brady’s book and just throw the ball to the #1 guy 7 or 8 times per game, and enjoy the ride. All Brady did was look for Moss, A LOT, even if he was doubled initially and what happened? Record setting numbers. It’s not that hard. Why would you not be looking to get the ball to TO? It makes ZERO sense!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Then, why did Norv Turner decide to use Randy Moss as a decoy?
March 5th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Dakota please take me off the insane fan list and put me by myself in desperate fan category cause after getting so close to a SB and then 6 losing seasons thats what i am.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Probably because Moss was hanging out near Oaksterdam every night.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Our offense was soo bad during the Moss years. It seemed like Norv was such a butter soft dude b/c all we saw was the ball being chuncked up deep to Moss. There was zero imagination. I expected much more. Norv was a joke!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
b/c all we saw was the ball being chuncked up deep to Moss
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I don’t remember that at all.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
First you say you can’t understand dumb arse QB’s not throwing to Owens.
Then you say, all Norv Turner did was chunk the ball deep to Moss????
March 5th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Owen’s mouth won’t win him any battles to get more passing in the offense with Cable dead set on running three running backs till they can’t run anymore.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Nap time.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
al listin to me.if you sign 35yrs old t.o.schillens,higgins will never develope,cable will get fired and russell will be a head case.everything you gained at the end of last year would be lost.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Why is Walter still on the roster? Why not cut him and give him a chance to catch on somewhere else
March 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
We already have recievers that can average less than 4 yards per catch. we don’t need T.O. here.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Tim Brown dropped both those passes in the Super Bowl. Felt so bad for him, his biggest stage and he had a horrible game. The first drop was huge, it was on a third down right when we started to lose momentum. I believe it would have been a different game, still probably would have lost, had he made that catch.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Krappykell no wonder you’re confused. It’s called senility. It happens to people your age, especially when you mix in years and years of wine coolers and Hungry Man dinners.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
What up Nation.
No to TO.
Let the young guys play.
I want to see what Schillens, JLH, and Sheilds can do.
Glad to see that Yavonn restructured.
Mabey He’ll be a pleasant suprise.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
why is sands on the roster?
March 5th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I actually would like to see us get T.O. Yeah, he is a distraction. So were Sapp and Moss. Neither were distractions while part of the Raiders (at least not nearly as bad). We are making moves to secure our O-line this offseason through free agency. Doing a pretty good job I think. Yeah it would be wise to get a tackle in the draft, but not till the 3rd round at least. Tackle’s are deep this year and I believe we can get a solid Tackle then. First pick is either going to be Crabtree or Maclin; both are studs and are going to be the future of the Raiders. 2nd round, I would take one of them hybrid DE/LB’s. They would improve us wherever they decide to put them. Which brings me back to my point. Crabtree or Maclin learning the tricks of the trade from Owens, who has been a dominate WR every single year in the league, would be a good move. I think if we do sign Owens, he is going to realize that this is his last chance. Plus, with Cable wanting to level out the run game and pass game, why not pick up the most dominate WR in the league. This would definately help Russell as well. Everyone is already calling him a flop. Give him Owens and Crabtree/Maclin along with Schillens, Shields, and Higgins at WR, Fargas and McFadden as RB, and Miller as a TE, and a decent O-line for a year or 2. If Russell still isnt doing very well, then I will say you all were right. But im not ready to say it until we give him the chance (tools) to win. Odds have been drastically stacked against us the last couple of years.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
b/c all we saw was the ball being chuncked up deep to Moss
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I don’t remember that at all.
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LOL, What patterns do you recall Moss running? Nothing but deep routes on 3rd and 10 b/c nothing else was working in between. And please tell me you are not comparing How Tom Brady and the NE Patriots used Moss in comparison to Norv and Kerry Collins. You’re kidding me!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Walker hanging around puts the brakes on the Crabtree pick for me. I think Al and Cable are serious about the lines and will draft lineman in rounds one and two.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Sands is still on the roster because they can’t find anyone big enough to replace him.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
BBB,
The NFL network is going to discuss PO after Total Access.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Dakota… I think you misunderstood my post regarding TO. I’m neither pro-TO or anti-TO. I’m pro Tom Cable. He’s a genuine, no-BS guy and puts the team first, and I trust his judgement.
He would have to coach TO. If he’s comfortable doing that, then I support it. If he’s not I’m ok with that, too.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Looks like no T-O,..hey dats cool man,…happy though that Walker restructured, might have a great year.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
# John Herrera Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
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March 5th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
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March 5th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I’m with you NoMoreFargas
I consider myself more desperate than insane. I’m sick of losing. I want players that dominate. I want touchdowns. I’m surprised Al doesn’t have him in Almeda already. I don’t think that he will command a very large contract, this is his last chance. I also agree with Edward Teach, that Cable is a no BS guy, and would simply cut Owens if he starts mouthing off. What do we have to lose? I would go for it!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
dang crank smoker, why ya so upset?…my advice to you is go to maui for a couple weeks,..drink alot,..smoke alot of local pot,…snorkle with turtles,..spend the day at molakini,…hey its workin for me bro.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Sup NATION???
Yvonne restructuring his contract is the best news I’ve heard in a long time…
March 5th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Damn skippy vold, bring him here and if he misbehaves hes gone,..there ya have it.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
yo CS
check the hyperlink!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Isn’t it funny how much more tolerable Walker is now that he restructured? lol. I hated him when his contract was out of control and he was sucking ballz instead of catching them, now I don’t mind him a bit, and have high hopes for him to snap out of it and play some freakin ball like he used to.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Hey 408 !!
Free DIRTY!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
yep Free Dirty!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
408, good link!!! lmao
March 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Boller? ok…I guess…whatever.
How about DT Shaun Cody or NT Gabe Watson (6-3 332!) to replace William Joseph who has yet to be re-signed.
How about FS Josh Bullocks or wrapping up a deal with LB Burnett.
Instead, the Raiders bring in Boller.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
What is this free dirty business?
March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Are the Raiders going to resign Justin Miller? His return game is pretty strong
March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Hey headin back out, getting drunk at bubba gumps in la haina this afternoon,..cya!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
T.O. has better career stats than Jerry Porter, Javon Walker, and Ronald Curry combined.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
That’s true, Val. I couldn’t stand that over paid pansy until today, when he suddenly became an intriguing WR option. Kind of like KrappyKell learning that adult diapers are an attractive option for senior citizens who can’t afford constant dry cleaning bills for their soiled drawers.
Still, you gotta draft Crabtree if he’s there. Then you’ve got Schilenz, Walker, Higgens, Crabtree and Shields. A pretty strong receiving corps, totally unlike Brian, who has a very weak grasp on the English language.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
They should re-sign Miller, that should be a priority. He is a pretty good back-up CB too. I know he got slammed and then burned once in the Bucs game, but overall he had a pretty solid game. He had perfect coverage on Bryant when Baker came over the top and picked it off to seal the victory.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
860….
das how I roll son!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Um, 408, I’m a little bit older than you, but I like your style!!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
no disrespect 860.. just the way I talk das all….
March 5th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Got it, no harm intended, JJ is 53! old!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
put me on the pro TO list
March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Regarding TO.
Dude is a headcase. Talented, but seemingly destructive to the Team concept.
I’m still not convinced that we need to sign nor draft a WR.
Mabey Chaz, JLH, or Sheilds become legit #1 Wr’s.
Provided they can all remain healthy this upcoming season, I’d much prefer the Jamarcuss develope a chemistry with this group.
Let the Young Ones grow together.
Let’s not sign people that get in the way of player developement.
If the Raiders were one WR away from making a Run at the Super Bowl, I’d roll the dice on TO.
This Team, If we can have a 2 productive drafts (2009-2010), and sign some low risk, high reward FA’s, Might be ready in 2010.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
FWIW, the NFLN said they called Al and he said he was happy with the youth we have a WR………
March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Ufck TO..Im just sayin….
March 5th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
S&B (Raji / Orakpo @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Are the Raiders going to resign Justin Miller? His return game is pretty strong
i asked jerry that every tuesday along with rashard baker and he never answers me.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
We don’t “need” TO, too many headcase problems for a team that is developing it’s youth, changing it’s culture, he would derail everything we are attempting to do in the right direction…IMO
March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
FWIW, the NFLN said they called Al and he said he was happy with the youth we have a WR………
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I saw the same thing. Charlie Casserly saying that Al Davis was happy with the receivers on the roster.
Lessens the chance of a T.O signing but you never know. Especially if Drew Rosenhaus starts lobbying Davis after getting rejected by every other team
March 5th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
They say that a QB and a Wide Receiver should have some chemistry. If the Raiders pick up TO, then they should encourage Russel and T.O. to do everything together. And, I do mean everything. Including exploring each other’s carnal desires. Can you imagine how hot it would be to see Jamarcus making out with Terrel Owens in the showers after a long, hard game filled with deep penetration. Don’t get me wrong, the contrast between T.O. and Romo was absolutely delish, but to see the two studs going at it would be very powerful and explosive.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Gibril signed with Tuna’s today…
March 5th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
We don’t “need” TO, too many headcase problems for a team that is developing it’s youth, changing it’s culture, he would derail everything we are attempting to do in the right direction…IMO
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I agree with this 100%.
I want us to win as bad as the next guy.
There are no quick fixes however.
Patientce combined with a clear purpose is the way to get the Team turned around.
This off season it appears as though the Raiders are serious about this approach.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I like Kenny Britt before TO…
March 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
We can pretty much move on from the TO talk since Walker is back on deck. Had Walker been cut, totally different story, but I think it may be a moot point now.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Agree JHill, at this stage, we don’t need a cancer..IMO
March 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I also think the Walker restructuring rules out WR at 7.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I think LT or bruising C with #7…Move Mario to right side
March 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Al needs to stuff the trenches
March 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
If they sign one of these vet OTs they are bringing in for a look, then OT is out as well. Can’t see Mario going back to the bench.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
JHill Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I also think the Walker restructuring rules out WR at 7.
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So all that has to happen now is the Raiders signing Ray Willis or Khalif Barnes and we are almost there.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Considering how well Mario played when he stepped in, I’m surprised he’s not the frontrunner for LT. I know both Kiff & Cable criticized his practice habits. Is he really that much of a slacker until the lights come on?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
JHill Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
We can pretty much move on from the TO talk since Walker is back on deck. Had Walker been cut, totally different story, but I think it may be a moot point now.
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JHill…I believe you’re right.
By the way, If the Raiders took Mack at 7, I would not be disappointed.
Considering the number of holes to be filled, I’d prefer we trade down and still get Mack and a pick, but we need a C that can step in and play at a high level for the next 10Yrs.
If Curry is there for us at 7, then I’d grab him. Otherwise, why not.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Curry does look good,May go in the first 10,
March 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Curry does look good,May go in the first 10,
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860, No doubt he’ll go top 10.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I hate to disappoint but big Al will go DB @ # 7…
March 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Watching BSPN they are re-evaulating each teams need and wants, He has slipped a little in their books, not that he doesn’t have talent, what the teams need.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Who does he have in mind, 408?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Raiders75,
You make very good points on Kyle and Watson, but you lost me with your safety. Attari and ex jaguars # 43( sorry as you all know by now, I have a problem remembering names) he is a good hitter, and can cover.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I hate to disappoint but big Al will go DB @ # 7…
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Party Pooper!
I’ve never considered suicide, or doing a drive by, but if that happens…well who knows.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Just say no to T.O. and yes to Barnes. Andre Smith at #7, Mack at in 2nd and Brinkley in the 3rd.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I’m ssssoooo glad that Walker restructured his contract. I don’t think we need to gamble with T.O. We have some decent receivers right now. If we do pick up a receiver I would much rather have Harrison or Holt.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Attari is a RFA from the packers. He had a great year in 07 and a good one in 08. Young strong, and fast. A little short but he makes up for that with his play.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Watching BSPN they are re-evaulating each teams need and wants, He has slipped a little in their books, not that he doesn’t have talent, what the teams need.
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If Curry slips to us at 7…awesome.
Then we trade up for Mack.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
860…
Hell if I know but we need a safety and Al always goes DB… youll see. I hope Im wrong though
March 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Len…
Guilty…
March 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
ha
March 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
you don’t draft centers number 7 overall just like you don’t draft guards number 2 overall! don’t you guys get it it must be a tackle to be in the top 10
March 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Mad Road Dog Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Just say no to T.O. and yes to Barnes. Andre Smith at #7, Mack at in 2nd and Brinkley in the 3rd.
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I would be shocked if we could land Mack at #39.
I’d LOVE it, but I’d be shocked.
I’m down with Pete’s guy Jasper in the 3rd as well.
After the combine his stock is way up.
I was hoping we could grab him in the 4th, but I don’t think that would be possible now.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Do you think Al will spend that much in the 1st? If history is a lesson, I think Al will plug wit FA’s and pack the lines and FB’s with the draft?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
MRD,
Not my kind of draft, but I can’t say I don’t like it. Brinkley in 3rd. You aren’t risking Brinkley. He will be there at 3 and I think you can get him in the 4th.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
you don’t draft centers number 7 overall just like you don’t draft guards number 2 overall! don’t you guys get it it must be a tackle to be in the top 10
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Let’s suppose that Mack become a Pro Bowl player, would it be considered foolish then?
The Raiders are going to take the player at 7 that they feel will best help the Team.
I’m not saying that Mack is their guy, but He’s a guy I’d consider.
Just sayin.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
408, go stand in the corner.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
mack in the 2nd is good,brinkley in the 3rd is great,but smith in the top 10 is bad.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
LOL Len…
OK but Im taking my Beer with me….
March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I like Orakpo in the 7th. Dude is a monster at the line. Stop the Run, rush, jump. He can do it all. Not ideal at under 6′5, but 6′4 is close enough for me.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
408RAIDER(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
LOL Len…
OK but Im taking my Beer with me….
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I’ll drink to that!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
What ever happened to BRACE?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
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March 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
# Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Attari is a RFA from the packers. He had a great year in 07 and a good one in 08. Young strong, and fast. A little short but he makes up for that with his play.
……….
I had Bigsby on the list but backed off because he is a RFA. Didn’t know if Al could swing the money.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
..
March 5th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
What ever happened to BRACE?
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He’s at the Burger King doing Triple Whopper Curls.
You are what you eat afterall.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
G
March 5th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
That is too funny……..Len
March 5th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
q
March 5th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
lol
March 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
s
March 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Bench press at the combine:
NT T.Taylor from Mich. 37
NT BJ Raji. From Bos. 33
DE. Orakpo. From Tex. 31
March 5th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
860, Seriously, I’d be good with Brace on the team.
He’s got the big body, and appears to have some potential.
Hard to tell what the Raiders will do come draft time.
As we move through Free agency mabey the picture will become a bit more clear.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
408, I noticed the artwork of the Princess in the background, ya gotta love it! Mines 19 and in college!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Where has BHP been at I need my shields update.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
PFT reports Walker deal done a week ago
March 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Len, I like his size, period! NO-one is going to move that dude, enless there is 5 of em….lol
March 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
So why take Raji when you can take T Taylor in later rounds, and still draft orakpo. The strongest and one of the fastest DEs in the draft. Also he has college production to back the combine stars. So does Taylor. Look how many stops behind the line this guy has. He doesn’t have as many sacks as Raji, but he doesn’t have Brace.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
NoMoreFargas Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Where has BHP been at I need my shields update.
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My understanding is that BHP is working quite a bit.
He had mentioned this a few weeks ago.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
860…
its all about the kids.. Oh God 19… I want mine to stay 7 4 ever… I cant stand the thought of my baby being a teenager.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Combine stars = combine stats.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
860Todd Christensen’s Shadow(GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Len, I like his size, period! NO-one is going to move that dude, enless there is 5 of em….lol
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860, Damn straight!
Raider Nation…
Put your hands together for Ron “Angry Whopper” Braaaace!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
why take brace if you can have his teammate raji.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Hear ya there, the good thing is they become upstanding Raider fans, so all hope is not lost! lol
March 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
What do you guys think about Orakpo?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
So why take Raji when you can take T Taylor in later rounds, and still draft orakpo. The strongest and one of the fastest DEs in the draft. Also he has college production to back the combine stars. So does Taylor. Look how many stops behind the line this guy has. He doesn’t have as many sacks as Raji, but he doesn’t have Brace.
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Because Raji is the number 1 DT on the board at 7.
Raji faced most of the double teams / not Brace
Terrence Taylor is a projected 2nd day draft pick (Do we want to depend on yet anothe 2nd day pick to fix the biggest problem on the defense)
Orakpo would be a good pick but he is a speed rusher not a hold the point DE
March 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
So why take Raji when you can take T Taylor in later rounds, and still draft orakpo. The strongest and one of the fastest DEs in the draft. Also he has college production to back the combine stars. So does Taylor. Look how many stops behind the line this guy has. He doesn’t have as many sacks as Raji, but he doesn’t have Brace.
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Raider O, If the Raiders go D in the 1st, I could get behind this.
My preference is for O line or Curry, but again, with so many holes, ANYTHING that improves the overall Team is good by Me.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
If we dont get TO will they draft a wr at 7# what will we have to pay an unproven player. Does anyone think crabtree or macklin will be better next year and he wont cost any near as much and were free to draft line o or d i dont care be we need help in the trenches.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Because Brace is a Nose Tackle.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
# Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
What do you guys think about Orakpo?
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all I know is thats Leftys Guy…. Hey the Guy Knows his beer so Ill roll with it…
March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
We need to let the FA movement play itself out, see what Al has in mind and go from there, not much else we can do…IMO
March 5th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I’d be suprised if the Raiders drafted Raji at 7, but with a new D staff, it would surely be considered if Marshall and company like Him.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Blackdeath,
Read my post on the combine bech press results. What take Raji when you can take Orakpo who is strong enough to set the edge at the week side, and fast when rushing the passer whith nice moves. Tale T.Taylor from Mich who also is a NT and his bread and butter is stopping the run. He didn’t have the stats raji had, but very close. He also didn’t have brace next to him. This guy was double teamed the entire time. And we can get a center or what ever Al wants in the 2nd. T Taylor can be had high in the 3rd, where we pick. What do you think?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Because Brace is a Nose Tackle.
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Raji can play NT or UT
March 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
I’ve been home sick for 2 days, need to run out for ciggs, anybody need anything? Didn’t think so, be back in 15 or 20…………
March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raji can play dt,nt,de.but a sleeper de in the later rounds is conner barwin.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
“Mr Kelly, please go to Mr Davis’s office.
Mr Kelly, Mr Davis’s office.”
March 5th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raji can play dt,nt,de.but a sleeper de in the later rounds is conner barwin.
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One draft site, Walter Football has Barwin going to the Patriots in the 3rd.
I don’t know how other sites have Him rated.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Oh the dude benched 225 more times than Raji. well hell that 4 sure means he is a bettr player. Draft him
March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
barwin might turn out to be the best de in the draft.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
You guys make good points.
S&B,
I understant your point on raji being projected higher than Taylor. A lot higher, but I think raji
Stock is so high due to having brace. Only my opinion.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Brian Orakapo at 6-3 260lbs sounds like more of the same.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raji can play dt,nt,de.but a sleeper de in the later rounds is conner barwin.
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One draft site, Walter Football has Barwin going to the Patriots in the 3rd.
I don’t know how other sites have Him rated.
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Scratch that, Barwin in the 2nd.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Don’t be shocked if Al reels in T.O. anyway. Aside from the talent vs. headaches debate, there are these factors which say it definitely still doable if the Raiders want T.O.:
1) The Walker restructured deal was reportedly done last week, long before T.O. was on the market.
2) The restructured Walker deal makes it much easier to cut Walker without taking a big cap hit.
3) The cap figure for Walker + Owens may be less than the pre-restructured cap number for Walker alone.
4) The Raiders could pencil T.O. in as their No. 1 WR with JLH in the slot. Schilens, Walker and Shields could battle for the No. 2 WR slot. If Walker looks as unfocused as he did last year, the team can cut him or demote him to No. 4/5 WR status and move on with the young guys. If Walker has an awakening, all of a sudden the WR position is a major strength instead of a glaring weakness. Shields, Schilens and JLH can develop in reserve roles for the long-term while Walker and T.O. give JaMarcus some excellent WRs to throw to in the short-term.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
S&B
Raji made his bones at UT, no?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Which one of you little girls posted bunk stuff on my name? Rediculous. Last thing I posted was when the front office almost got Nnam to sign a 6 year deal last year. Before that was the Walker signing.
TO AINT in the O.
I aint got NOTHING right now.
Stay Strong NATION
March 5th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Sign Boller and get rid of Crapkowski!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Raider O,
If the DT/NT position wasn’t so weak I could see taking a flyer on some 2nd day pick. The bottom line is most 2nd day picks don’t make a significant contribution.
The Raiders need someone that can come in and play on day 1 on that D-Line. The current D-Line is rife with 2nd day picks:
T. Kelly – Undrafted free agent
T. Sands – Free Agent 7th rd pick (Chiefs)
G. Warren – Free Agent 1st rd pick -acq for 5th from division rival?!?
T. Scott – 6th round pick (Could be good)
G. Gunheim – Undrafted free agent
J. Richardson – 5th rd pick
D. Burgess – Free agent (3rd rd pick)
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I have no problem with Orakpo. Just not over Raji. If Raji is off the board then definitely jump to grab Orakpo. He can replace Burgess after next year.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I am going to say it again in plain English…..
Davis blew his load on Kelly and Sands. He will not/can not tie up anymore big money on a DT. Period end. Stop talking about BJ Raji. He will NOT be the pick. It WILL be Crabtree or a OL. Thats it, thats all.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I think the odds are Orakpo goes to either KC at No. 3 or Cleveland at No. 5.
I would definitely prefer him to Raji if we go defense at No. 7. If we do wind up signing T.O., you’ve got to wonder if Al is going to maneuver to try to go up and get Aaron Curry. He’s a physical freak, fills a need at OLB and can actually play too. Probably the most surefire pick in the draft. He should definitely go 1, 3, 5 or 6 though. No chance he’s there at No. 7.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
S&B
Raji made his bones at UT, no?
raji can play about 3 or 4 spots
March 5th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
If we don’t draft Orakpo, I will be disapointed. Not a lot of clear cut top players. ( curry, QB, Orakpo, crabtree, and smith). What do you guys think? Agree?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
T.O. is B.O. and he would ruin everything Cable is trying to do here. T.O. is a proven cry baby, whiner, disruptor and cancer in the locker room. The old man should use that money to sign 3 players instead of overpaying for a LOONEY like T.O.!
Draft Crabtree if he is there at #7 unless the doctors do not give a clean bill of health and in the healing process. He has a good attitude….will work hard….has great hands, great body control, knows how to get open, and is physical.
Crabtree catches with his hands alot which is another great sign for a WR. He doesn’t rely on catching the football with his body.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
As it supposes, perhaps Javon (whom y’all have done nothing but trash time and again) has faced a strength in his own mortality. Darent Williams, Vegas, Marquis. Perhaps he realized he has no market value or perhaps he has just done the Raiders a solid. Either way he may be coming to terms with his own life and be willing to shrug off the previous. The man can catch fastballs. Perhaps he can will himself to get open as well.
Kyle. “Fiat Lux” it reads over Sproul Plaza. Viva Los Osos Dorados!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
KoolKell, he can play both. He made his mark by penetrating the lines and swallowing up double teams. His scouting report reads as a DT or NT.
Strengths:
Outstanding mass and bulk…Excellent strength…Stout at the point of attack…Can fill two gaps…Able to occupy multiple blockers…Tough, powerful and nasty…A beast against the run…Can really collapse the pocket…Able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield…Above average athleticism…Quick and agile…Pursues well and has a burst to close…Good instincts and awareness…Will offer schematic versatility
March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
The Raiders Dline is bad, not horrible, just bad. The OL is bad, not horrible, just bad. The Raiders WRs are HORRIBLE, the worst in the NFL. How could you not take one of the top WRs? If Davis has turned over a new leaf and allows football people to make the draft picks they WILL take Crabtree if there.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Raji plays the same position as Tommy Kelly, the 2nd highest paid DT in the league.
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How long has Raji played with Ron Brace, and didn’t he make his bones at UT?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I think the odds are Orakpo goes to either KC at No. 3 or Cleveland at No. 5.
I would definitely prefer him to Raji if we go defense at No. 7. If we do wind up signing T.O., you’ve got to wonder if Al is going to maneuver to try to go up and get Aaron Curry. He’s a physical freak, fills a need at OLB and can actually play too. Probably the most surefire pick in the draft. He should definitely go 1, 3, 5 or 6 though. No chance he’s there at No. 7.
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Chris In NY, Help me out here.
How does the signing of TO relate to AL moving up for Curry?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
K,
Have another glass of Walker kool aid. The dude is done, both physically and mentally. He is a bum and WHEN he gets cut will never play in the league again.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
S&B,
You are high on Raji as I on Orakpo, and we both can make good arguments on why each one should be picked over the other, but we both agree that fixing our D is a priority. 31st against the rin for a few years is sad unless you’re the colts.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Orakpo=Gholston
No thanks.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Run = run
March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Len,
There would be no more need to consider a WR at No. 7, which I think is still a definite possibility despite the new Walker deal. Sure there are other needs, but I could see Al falling in love with Curry’s incredible ability.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Rin = run. I’m sorry but I can’t type.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Interview portion on the question of double teams etc
Sanchez: A big reason for the success of Boston College was the dominance of the defensive line. How did you and Ron Brace play off of each other?
Raji: Well, we told each other that if they were going to double team one of us then the other would have to make them pay. If they would double both of us then it was up to our defensive ends to make them pay.
http://www.faniq.com/blog/Following-the-NFL-Draft-Prospects-BJ-Raji-Boston-College-Blog-20169
Sanchez: You could play many positions at the next level. 4-3 NT or 3-4 NT which are you more comfortable with?
Raji: More comfortable is not the right phrase I believe because I have played plenty of each to be familiar with them. Boston College has prepared me for any situation as far as playing on the football field is concerned, so whatever the teams wants me to do I will.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
And since you probably have no idea what that means….
Gholston was the big talk of the town one trick pony DE going into last years draft. Jets took him early and he was a non factor.
Orakpo=Gholston
March 5th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Gottagetaplaymaker Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
The Raiders Dline is bad, not horrible, just bad. The OL is bad, not horrible, just bad. The Raiders WRs are HORRIBLE, the worst in the NFL. How could you not take one of the top WRs? If Davis has turned over a new leaf and allows football people to make the draft picks they WILL take Crabtree if there.
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The Young Raider WR’s are not bad, they are inexperienced.
Schillens, and JLH played very well at the end of the season when given the opportunity.
If you want to look at a stat sheet to criticize, I’d suggest that you look at what JLH and Schillens did the last few games, and extrapolate that over the course of a 16 game schedule.
That, too Me, looks pretty promising.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
As my governator said ” I’ll be back”
Gotta take my kid to the store.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
When will you mofos ever get over the money? The Raiders always find a way to work it. Who cares what someone was paid last year & the year before & the cap? Kelly is overpaid. So are most all players in the NotForLong. Alameda figures it out. Off we go. Albert Haynesworth is paid a quarter of the cap. So what? Do you think that Washington is going to go broke or be penalized? You guys worry more about salaries than Bruce Allen ever did.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
As my governator said ” I’ll be back”
Gotta take my kid to the store.
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oh, man…
don’t sell your kid…
don’t…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
S&B,
You are high on Raji as I on Orakpo, and we both can make good arguments on why each one should be picked over the other, but we both agree that fixing our D is a priority. 31st against the rin for a few years is sad unless you’re the colts.
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I am glad we are in agreement on the run defense. I will be very pleased if the Raiders get Raji or Orakpo. Hence my title.
Good observation on the Colts run D a couple of years ago. Of course that team also had the best or 2nd best pass defense. And when you have the greatest QB in the history of the league, a ridiculous WR corps and O-Line….and then add that all of those offensive weapons have played in the SAME system for damn near 10 years…then you can afford to get by with a 31st run defense.
Some think the Raiders offense simply has to step up to make the D better. Well, the Raiders could walk to the Moon and they would still only be half way to where the Colts offense was that year!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Ok, I agree he sounds like a beast. What if we get some news T. Kelly has restructured!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
So S&B,
Your saying that they r gonna draft a guy in the exact same position as two of the highest paid players on the team? Who goes to the bench? Hell, in your way of thinking why not take Mark Sanchez. Nope. Davis made his bed with Kelly and Turdell, now he has to lay in it.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Len,
There would be no more need to consider a WR at No. 7, which I think is still a definite possibility despite the new Walker deal. Sure there are other needs, but I could see Al falling in love with Curry’s incredible ability.
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Thanks Chris In NY. I’m not convinced that Al is considering a WR.
But who knows.
I’d love to see Curry on the Roster.
Definitley the surest pick in the top 10.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Toad Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Orakpo=Gholston
No thanks.
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Gholston was moved out of position. He was a DE that was moved to OLB in a complicated defense.
Orakpo will be lining up with a hand in the ground from the DE position.
Gholston will blow it up with Rex Ryan and time. They are going to keep it simple for him and bring him along.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Raji eats people…
stewed, barbequed, grilled, deep-fried…
it’s all good to him…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Toad,
thank you. I requested the name of the next Gholston/Mamula of participants here from this next draft a while back. No one had a name. Orakpo you say. Good enough.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Name a worse recieving core in the NFL, RaiderLen.
Refresh my memory, wasnt JLH playing the whole year? Yea he sure was, dont need to calculate his stats, theyve already been done.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
koolkell raji can also play 3-4 de.i saw it on youtube and he got a sack.i just can`t see sands or warren doing that.and best of all he`s a run stuffer.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
im drinkin henney.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
roy williams is available and better then any safet we gots,..get him too.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Florida Pete,
your commentaries are insightful, humorous and entertaining and I thank you…but is there a Boston College connection in you? Raji-Brace are relatives?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Name a GOOD DE other than Mario who was a high draft pick?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
i outta here, time to strangle the weasel again, brb.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Gottagetaplaymaker Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
So S&B,
Your saying that they r gonna draft a guy in the exact same position as two of the highest paid players on the team? Who goes to the bench? Hell, in your way of thinking why not take Mark Sanchez. Nope. Davis made his bed with Kelly and Turdell, now he has to lay in it.
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S&B, allow me to take this… ahem…
you don’t really think Kelly and Sands are going to play 60 plays every game… do you ???
and if you don’t… then you can understand the need for some backup… yes ???
and you don’t really think that Davis is obligated to punish himself for making a bad decision… do you ???
i mean, with him being the boss and everything…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
im down with drafting andre fo sho.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Gottagetaplaymaker Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Name a worse recieving core in the NFL, RaiderLen.
Refresh my memory, wasnt JLH playing the whole year? Yea he sure was, dont need to calculate his stats, theyve already been done.
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I’ll put it to you this way.
What did they do when Cable started calling the plays?
And do You see them as having reached their ceiling in terms of potential?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
No, I don’t have a problem with Raji the player, or his skills. It’s just that T. Kelly is the 2nd Highest paid DT in the NFL. Terdell Sands is highly paid also.
I would like the guy, I think he makes the most sense at #7. I’m just having problems seeing how it can be done.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
FPete, he would make a great addition, but we dont have a Brace, maybe we need him? Ok had a lot of help making numbers, there are reasons for that….
March 5th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I’m thinking DE is looking like more of a possibility with the 7th overall…
DT just isn’t something they’re interested in.
They’ve got 3 serviceable DT’s to do what they want and thats rush the passer.
Warren’s a fine one gap penetrator and so is Sands.
Kelly’s the versatile guy who can jump inside or out and with his knee a year out from surgery, he should be better and more productive this year.
To fix the run, we need an MLB. Morrison’s a good LB, but would be better served strong side.
Discipline and coaching would help fix the over pursuit and bad angles, but a guy like James Laurinitus, who can be the 3 down backer Oakland desires si the most skilled, but not the best at the point of attack.
He won the Nagurski award as a Sophomore and had 121 tackles and 5.5 sacks his senior year and can cover.
He simply had a bad combine, especially in the 40, His puzzling 4.82 may see the once top 10 prospect slip into the 2nd round which would be a steal for someone of his caliber.
I see Oakland looking at a DE pass rusher maybe with the 7th overall…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Get Preston and our line has good depth (Mcquistan, Green, Wade) all that would be missing on O is #1 WR. Get best avail in round 2 and let WR issue play itself out via competition: JLH @ slot w/ Walker, Schilens, Sheilds, & #2 pick vying for #1 & #2 receiver and O is set. Get Rey @ 7 to make LB our D strength and vastly improve Run D. Corners are solid. Only thing we’ll have to really hope for to be a contender (besides normal health concerns as opposed highly probable health risks we dealt w/ last year) would then be our safety play and our Dline (w/ no obvious NT or rush stopping DE avail thru FA or draft).
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
none of you mo fo`s party like i do, i party like its 1999, you dont,..so eat my dust.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Gottagetaplaymaker Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
So S&B,
Your saying that they r gonna draft a guy in the exact same position as two of the highest paid players on the team? Who goes to the bench? Hell, in your way of thinking why not take Mark Sanchez. Nope. Davis made his bed with Kelly and Turdell, now he has to lay in it.
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Is it June 1st yet? Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren will be making adjustments on their deals before June 1st or they will be cut. Bank on it. Also, the Raiders only have 3 DTs on the roster and with an average age of 29.5 yrs or so.
Davis is not paying Sands and Warren those salary figures. Probably already restructured.
Also, probably not making any roster moves until after the draft. There is no guarantee that Raji will be there and the Raiders 2nd rounder is probably going Center so Hood, Brace or Marks won’t be available at 3
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Let me get this ahem, i will say it nice and slow for you moron
THEY
ALREADY
HAVE
TOO
MUCH
$
TIED
UP
IN
DEFENSIVE
TACKLES
Got that? Good
March 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
brien Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
len stfu, you know diddly squat you putz.
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LOL…Damn, didn’t realize my wife was posting.
Ah…but I really do wear the pants in the family.
Seriously. Really… I mean it!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Gottagetaplaymaker Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Name a worse recieving core in the NFL, RaiderLen.
Refresh my memory, wasnt JLH playing the whole year? Yea he sure was, dont need to calculate his stats, theyve already been done.
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Actually, no. He wasn’t playing all year.
In fact, they benched him because his route running was so bad in practice, they couldn’t trust him.
He did appear in 16 games, but only started 3…
Seems like toward the back half, they started coming alive only after it was apparent, Lofton would not be returning…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
nhambdi, we dont need a fuqqin pass rusher, we need a left tackle…im drinkin henney, what are you drinkin you sonofabitch?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I’ve heard John Madden say many times on his broadcasts, that in order to run the ball, you have to control the NT.
He never mentioned Linebackers.
I don’t know how you scapegoat Kirk Morrison, the 4th leading Tackler in the League.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Get Preston and our line has good depth (Mcquistan, Green, Wade) all that would be missing on O is #1 WR.
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Everyone forgets we’ve already got a really great potential receiver.
His name is Darren McFadden.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
fo shizzle im down with drafting that dude..the other smith dude,..dont know his first name,..i know all you squares wish you was like me, i have 5 bitches in my house, all hot bitches.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
JLH is what he is and will be. A decent 3rd guy who will hit the homerun every now and again.
Chaz is a borderline 4. On a good offense he shouldnt see the field. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. He is just ok. There is not a number 1 or 2 guy on this team.
Please, someone name a worst WR core in the NFL
March 5th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
S&B (Raji / Orakpo @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Is it June 1st yet? Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren will be making adjustments on their deals before June 1st or they will be cut. Bank on it. Also, the Raiders only have 3 DTs on the roster and with an average age of 29.5 yrs or so.
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The Raiders have four DT’s on their roster: Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, William Joseph, and Terdell Sands. Kelly is listed as a DE as he was playing the base DE position as a rookie but I think we can all agree he is a DT on this team.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Appeared in 16 games. How many games are there in a season? 16. Oh so guess that would be ALL YEAR
March 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
nhambdi, you freakazoid, please stfu unless you know anything about the raiders, im the only hustler in here that knows about the raiders….fo shizzle that mother f*ckers.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Get Preston and our line has good depth (Mcquistan, Green, Wade) all that would be missing on O is #1 WR. Get best avail in round 2 and let WR issue play itself out via competition: JLH @ slot w/ Walker, Schilens, Sheilds, & #2 pick vying for #1 & #2 receiver and O is set. Get Rey @ 7 to make LB our D strength and vastly improve Run D. Corners are solid. Only thing we’ll have to really hope for to be a contender (besides normal health concerns as opposed highly probable health risks we dealt w/ last year) would then be our safety play and our Dline (w/ no obvious NT or rush stopping DE avail thru FA or draft).
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The LBs are not as effective if they are shedding blockers all day. That requires a strong D-Line that occupies lineman.
A strong D-Line can make an average LB good.
A weak D-Line will make a great LB look mediocre.
Let’s not rely on “hope” to fix the D-Line. I guarantee that hope alone won’t stop Brandon Jacobs
March 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I’ve heard John Madden say many times on his broadcasts, that in order to run the ball, you have to control the NT.
He never mentioned Linebackers.
I don’t know how you scapegoat Kirk Morrison, the 4th leading Tackler in the League.
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Big deal.
When the majority of those tackles are 5- 7 yds down field…
I can “scapegoat” Morrison because he:
Constantly takes bad angles to the ball.
Over pursues.
Makes bad audibles.
Is weak at the POA
Only average at stack and shed (and thats being generous)
Gets caught flat footed and beaten on an island too often.
Thats why…
Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy and he is what the Raiders want far as coverage goes, but he’s not the man for MLB…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Toad Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Let me get this ahem, i will say it nice and slow for you moron
THEY ALREADY HAVE TOO MUCH $ TIED UP IN DEFENSIVE TACKLES Got that? Good
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No… they don’t… that’s just you’re opinion…
there is no league rule capping any individual players salary…
there is no league rule capping the amount of money paid out for a position…
and here’s something special… just because you signed a 6 year contract with a player… you don’t have to keep him for that long !!!
and here’s what really special… you don’t have to pay him either !!!
oh, god !!! i love this stuff !!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
brien Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
nhambdi, you freakazoid, please stfu unless you know anything about the raiders, im the only hustler in here that knows about the raiders….fo shizzle that mother f*ckers.
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Ah, the ever eloquent Mr. Brien.
I would parry your vociferous and formidable football knowledge pertaining to the Raiders…
But you’ve yet to post any…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Toad Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Let me get this ahem, i will say it nice and slow for you moron
THEY
ALREADY
HAVE
TOO
MUCH
$
TIED
UP
IN
DEFENSIVE
TACKLES
Got that? Good
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Yesterday, the same could be said for the Wide Receiver position.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Sure, bring in TO and certainly JaMarcus will be afforded all that was not given Garcia, McNabb and Romo. When Zach Miller and McF are given more touches than TO he will then begin crapping all over himself and everyone else complaining he is the sole reason for life on Earth.
a former army drill sergeant I worked for in Fairbanks told me one time, “Show me an a-hole at 18 and I’ll show you one at 50.”
March 5th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
453. Bingo.
Guys like Fat Albert will NEVER see the back half of that contract or the full $100 million.
Thats why the guaranteed $ is sooo important.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
im drinkin henney you half-breed, dont bother me,..nhambdi you bubble butt.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
S&B,
How could that have been said? 1 guy? Yea, same thing.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
M 456, well said….
March 5th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
It’s either Crabtree or another DB fellas!!
That’s why you better hope Crabtree falls to #7!!
So far our best move happened in week 9 of last year.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
As if any of this talk matters. When was the last guy Davis picked in round 1 actually WASNT a bust?
March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
later you bunch of stink bombs, im drinkin henney and my bitches are lining up for some hot action tonight,..thats how i roll you mother f*ckers….nhambdi is a homo.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“In order to run the ball you have to control the NT”
-John Madden
March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
456. T.O.’s brashness and obnoxious behavior could be excused when he was new to the League and still setting the world on fire, but your D.I. freind may have been onto something.
He’s had a decade in the League to mellow out and learn football is a team sport.
He is very talented, but if you get your azz dumped by the team that signed Pac Man AND Tank…
Man, thats saying something…
I wonder if his release had anything to do with Walker’s willingness to work out a deal?
Suddenly, there where alot of older, but viable FA WR’s on the market.
Harrison, Coles, T.O.
I know they’ve been working on it a while, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Davis had a n inside on what was about to go down…
He did get Nnamdi and Lechler done before the the NFl’s “surprise” gift of an extra $4 milly…
March 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The next person who uses the word “reach” with regards to any draft pick should have their gonads tied to Kiper’s nostrils.
Choose the man who is needed, not who is available.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
LOL!~
Enjoy your nite B…think I’ll play some GTA too…
March 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“In order to run the ball you have to control the NT”
-John Madden
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So we need a center?
Agreed…
March 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Nnamdi
Defensive tackle (DT) is a position on the defensive line in American and Canadian football. The defensive tackle(s) lines up toward the center of the field, and is flanked by the defensive ends. With the defensive ends, they comprise the defensive line.
Defensive tackles are typically the largest and strongest of the defensive players. The defensive tackle typically lines up opposite outside shoulder of the offensive guards. Depending on a team’s individual defensive scheme, a defensive tackle may be called upon to fill several different roles. These roles may include merely holding the point of attack by refusing to be moved, which also prevents offensive lineman from being able to get to the linebackers and successfully block them on running plays, or penetrating a certain gap between offensive linemen to break up a play in the opponent’s backfield. The former is often referred to as “two gap” play, the latter as “one gap” play. Historically, one gap play was more frequently the role common for a defensive tackle to use as two gap play requires a defensive tackle to be rather large (most DTs who are good at two gap play are over 330 pounds) a development that has only occurred in the last 5-10 years of football. The concept of using one or both defensive tackles in “two gap” play was popularized on the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, who used Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa in this role, allowing their linebackers (especially Ray Lewis) to attack the ball carrier without being blocked by an offensive player. If a defensive tackle reads a pass play, his primary responsibility is to pursue the quarterback, or simply knock the pass down at the line if it’s within arm’s reach. Other responsibilities of the defensive tackle may be to pursue the screen pass or drop into coverage in a zone blitz scheme.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
At some point the Raiders have to invest in that Defensive Line. The Raiders are the softest defense in the league. Teams ignore Nnamdi by not throwing at him and simply run the hell out of the ball.
This won’t change in 2009. Teams will opt to run the ball instead of throwing to likes of Nnamdi, CJ or the coverage LBs.
They will run the ball all day long until the Raiders demonstrate they can stop it.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
go raji 1st. round,mack 2nd.but 3rd it`s got to be brinkley or conner barwin.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I have been saying Center since I read into what Cable was saying during his combine interview.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Good dialogue this evening Nation. A pleasant diversion.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
“Alex Mack,’Nuff said”, says Michalczik.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
To The Point>
“two gap” play was popularized on the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, who used Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa in this role, allowing their linebackers (especially Ray Lewis) to attack the ball carrier without being blocked by an offensive player.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_tackle
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Like John Madden said, in order to run the ball, you have to control the Nose Tackle.
Kirk Morrison doesn’t have that. And the 4th leading Tackler in the League, is not a so what!
March 5th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I want to know what the hell happened from 06 to 07. In 06 we had one of the best defenses in the league. As terrible as we were that year, our D was in the top 5. Then in 07 we get some common sense, if nothing else, from Lane Kiffin on offense and our defense goes to hell. I don’t buy the theory that teams didn’t even try to score againnst us because our O was so bad. In the NFL every team tries to score every time until it is a blowout, or they can run the clock out. And it’s not like we getting blown out, our D was Boss that year. Yeah, we were 2-14, but we lost a lot of close ones, as usual. Sands was great that year, that’s why he got that fat contract. Kelly was playing DE considerably well at the time too, but he is a better DT then Sapp ever was for us, so if anything we should have improved. I just don’t get it. I hope Marshall can fix this BS.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Does anyone else get the feeling that the Raiders are actually conducting business like a pro football team this offseason?
What is the difference? It seems to me it is Cable.
Lance is gone, and now we have a grownup in charge. He is not just thinking about this year, but the years to come.
It appears the orginization is getting behind it. If we don’t win it doesn’t matter, but I am starting to have a glimmer of h- ho- ho- hope.
There I said it.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
That’s exactly what it was. The opposition scored and sat on the ball until they needed to score again.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
teams started running the ball down our throats and we did nothing about it.draft a run stuffer and get more physical up front on both sides of the ball.
round one -raji
round two-mack
thats a start.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I’m down with Raji at 7 to play NT, Sands would be good as a spell guy, but he can’t stay in there more than one play before getting tired. I don’t think Mack will be there for us at 39. We will have to trade back up into the first or earlier in the second, but I’m not sure he will even get by the Steelers at 32…We need him though. I would be fine with Max Unger I guess, but we got Mack’s line coach, and it just seems right for him to be a Raider.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I don’t buy the theory that teams didn’t even try to score againnst us because our O was so bad.
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It was absolutely the case. The bed and breakfast years you’re talking about, right? Teams would literally get a 7 point lead, and never throw the ball again. Look at the pass attempts against us the whole year compared to everyone else.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
interesting info on SFGate:
Apparently Walker, Gallery and Fargas all restructured their contracts before FA began. So all of this has been under wraps for a week. Al and the Raiders are really doing a good job with locking up their players at a reasonable rate this off-season and keeping their business in-house. The only question that remains is when are Terdell and Kelly gonna restructure? I have not seen the Raider machine running so smoothly in the last 7 years.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I like Raji but don’t think he’s an upgrade over Kelly. @ 6′0 don’t think he’s gonna be able to put on enough weight and be an effective NT. Rey is a sure thing as far as run stopping LB which is a need and makes Morrison, and Howard even deadlier in the passing game. There’s not many Ngata’s and Sam Adams out there. If Raji could be Sam Adams/Ngata I’d say get him and your right our LB’s would look much better but he’s not.
March 5th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
The raider’s do not trade down, when have they. unbelieveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Good conversation going on tonight. I see a lot of quotes from Madden which is good because unfortunately, he was our best coach for the last…how many years? That’s right 30 years…
Anyways, its been uncharacteristically quiet this offseason.
March 5th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
interesting info on SFGate:
Apparently Walker, Gallery and Fargas all restructured their contracts before FA began. So all of this has been under wraps for a week. Al and the Raiders are really doing a good job with locking up their players at a reasonable rate this off-season and keeping their business in-house. The only question that remains is when are Terdell and Kelly gonna restructure? I have not seen the Raider machine running so smoothly in the last 7 years.
Yeah…someone is in Al’s ear. but…who? This could be a sign of good things to come. Hopefully. Is it draft day yet?
March 5th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Kyle Boller will make the Raiders instant winners. Good move.
March 6th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Kyle Boller will be an instant second string QB. JR is our guy. So this draft, I am telling you guys there are guys for the o-line in the second round, take crab at 7. Don’t f**k around anymore. Get JR someone to grow with, not TO, that will destroy him. JR is a kid. He doesn’t need some big mouth F’er like TO pointing fingers when he drops that fast ball. Did you see all of TO’s drops last year? I doubt he could even catch many of JR’s frozen ropes.
Tim Brown was a Raider his whole career (dismiss the TB thing) , he is class act and statistically the second greatest WR of all time.
Get Barnes and then draft a solid LT in the second. We also need a fullback, I don’t about Oren O’neil. However, Lorenzo Neal is out there, the greatest blocking FB ever. Would bust holes for DMAC.
DT- should have brought Grady Jackson back. If TK can play to his potential, maybe we can get a beast in the 3rd? I don’t know what’s left there in FA?? Anyone? Cool that Gallery, Walker and Fargas re-structured. Maybe the Raiders are making a move for chemistry?
March 6th, 2009 at 12:30 am
and BTW curry will be gone by 7, and if crab gets picked ahead of us, and we take jeremy maclin? It will be the second dumbest 1st round pick in Raiders history (Janikowski). Maclin is tiny and fast, we have higgins, we don’t need to surround JR with speedy midgets…he needs a tough go-to-run-after-catch-not-afraid-to-go-over-the-middle-guy…..crabtree is like Tim Brown, Hines ward and larry fitzgerald put together.
March 6th, 2009 at 1:40 am
T.O. in Oaktown is like white on RICE! Do it Al, make the move everyone in the NFL wants to happen! He’s a bad boy, we’re bad boys, it’s a match made in heaven! SIGN IT!
March 6th, 2009 at 7:06 am
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March 6th, 2009 at 8:25 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
March 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
interesting info on SFGate:
Apparently Walker, Gallery and Fargas all restructured their contracts before FA began. So all of this has been under wraps for a week. Al and the Raiders are really doing a good job with locking up their players at a reasonable rate this off-season and keeping their business in-house. The only question that remains is when are Terdell and Kelly gonna restructure? I have not seen the Raider machine running so smoothly in the last 7 years.
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I think we were about $10 million under the cap before the Walker restructure and these others. If that’s true, we’ve got to have at least $20 million in cap space. Al is on top of his game.
March 6th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Walker is often characterized as trouble. What I remember is he wanted to retire last year and give back his bonus. And now he restructures his contract. He’s coming across to me as a good kid who has been very mixed up. Maybe he can settle down this year and be productive. Would T.O. ever do either of those things Walker did? Are you kidding me?
March 7th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Tommy Kelly already restructured his deal. Don’t know about Sands though. I really like what I’m seeing as an organization though, everybody is sacrificing right now for the better of the team. Great Javon Walker for restructuring and getting on board. Come out and show everybody what kind of player u can really be this year. I’m not saying we’re a playoff team yet, but we will definetly be competitive this year. Lets sign a vet LE Vonnie Holliday or Kevin Carter. Al SS Roy Williams please!
March 7th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
This is why Raiders will continue to suck big time by making stupid decision like keeping walker around. This guys is washed up and needs to be cut. But now they are saying that he is going to stick around for another season? Come on! how pathetic are we to keep this idiot. for those of u that think it’s ok to keep him, then ur not a real raider fan and don’t know how pathetic this guy is.
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