Barnes deal shows Cable-Davis on the same page
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, March 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.
In contrast to the ugliness of the previous regime between owner and coach, this is how the relationship is supposed to work.
Tom Cable got what he wanted in left tackle Khalif Barnes, according to an ESPN report. Al Davis got what he wanted, waiting until contract terms were favorable on a player who has had some off-the-field issues.
Barnes reportedly signed a one-year contract, meaning if he puts a good season together, he can seek bigger money next year when he will still be only 27 years old. From the sounds of it, Davis did a good job selling Barnes on that notion.
Having Barnes aboard will also keep a fire under Mario Henderson, and also ideally move Cornell Green to the bench, the role he was supposed to have for two seasons.
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March 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
March 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
now lets STOP THE RUN
March 14th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Lets go after Tank Johnson
March 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Go Al….you totally got this one for el cheapo.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
draft raji get wr in 2nd
March 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Khalif Barnes, Jaguars. Age: 27.
What happened to this guy? Khalif Barnes had a brilliant rookie year, but has since completely fallen apart. He gave up 7.5 sacks and was whistled for nine penalties in 2008. Maybe a change of scenery will help him.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
This is the best off season in years! Sign Torry Holt to a two year deal and we will be set on offense.
Trade down for more picks OR pick the best Defensive player available.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
If we can some how get RAji and Mack/Unger in this draft. It’s game over. There’s no way the Raiders passing on either Mack or Unger in the 2nd round.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Nice to see things working the way they should work. Yeah we seriously need to draft a lot of defensive players. Find some people who can plug the holes and stop the run. Would love to see Torry Holt given a shot as well. Id think he should have at least a couple years left and could teach the youngs guys a bit
March 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
DRAFT MACK
March 14th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Oakglenn
You might have to do without Andre Smith’s big titts this year.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Here’s to hoping that a new way of doing things leads to a new outcome!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I’m the man!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Man, it is soooo nicceeeee to have harmony in Alameda this year. I give all the credit to Cable. His willingness to be humble and patient with Al is paying off big time.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
13 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
cable will wok his magic with barnes like he did with gallery…. we need to stop the run
March 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
If we can get Tank and Raji, wow that would give some boost to the D line.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Raji, Orakpo, or Everette Brown in that order. if we go WR, it better be Maclin cuz Crabtree is an imposter in my opinion. He’s slow, never seen a double team, doesn’t run half of the NFL route tree and isn’t as good run after the catch as had been advertised.plus, he’s coming off an injury and may not be ready for training camp. keep rebuilding in the trenches and take a WR or Center in 2nd round.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
15 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
What about giving our 2nd to the Saints to get WR Lance Moore?
March 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Al Davis is having an outstanding offseason. Disciplined, smart and not overspending.
Now, this should really end any discussion of using the number 7 on a OT. WR is very improbable given the support for JLH and Schilens, the restructuring of Walker and the debut of Shields. Plus a healthy DMAC to help in the slot.
Now its all about that defense! With Seattle getting Cory Redding in the trade that means they don’t go DT. The only obstacle that remains are the Bengals. Hopefully the Bengals seek an OT for Palmer which will let Raji fall nicely to us at 7.
Someone tell the linebackers that help is on the way!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I like the idea of signing Tank to a one year deal too….
March 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I would still love to see Al go after Shaun Cody and Sharper.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
What about giving our 2nd to the Saints to get WR Lance Moore?
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No, a Center in the 2nd is the higher priority.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Looks like Justin Miller is coming back to us per Yalls Trippin. So if Old Al can get Tank, Raji, and Max/Unger and Robiskie then we will have a fantastic offseason.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Cody, yes. Sharper, not so much. He is getting pretty old…
March 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
STOP THE RUN
WE SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED WITH THE JUST THE TEAMS IN OUR OWN DIVISION (should I say chargers)
1 and 2 round = DEFENSE, AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT OUR SECONDARY
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
i under stand the raiders like the deep ball.. but moving the chains wins games… and stopping the run wins titles
March 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Interesting timing…the Hawks acquire a DT today and now the Raiders have signed an OT? Gotta’ figure that the Raiders now expect the Hawks will take an OT like Monroe and the Raiders will look at o-line after the 1st round. I think this means the Raiders will either go d-line (Raji or Orakpo) or WR (Maclin or Crabtree) with the 7th pick.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
What about giving our 2nd to the Saints to get WR Lance Moore?
We aint giving up no picks this year,imo
March 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I agree with you S&B that C is a higher priority in the 2nd round, but what if both Mack and Unger are gone by then or we were able to trade down with Philly or Detroit?
March 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
This is our worst move of the off season Barnes is another Harris and I hope his ass rides the bench all year long.
We still need a Center.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
This is a sweet pickup. Good job cable guy and al.
GO RAAAAIIIIIDDEEERRRSSS!!
March 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I’m picking a WR in the 1st.
I’m picking a C in the 2nd.
Then I’ll deal with the defense.
Sorry boys, but JaMarcus needs to make signifigant stides this year. The Greatness of the Raiders depends on it.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I like this move. Now I can see us taking B.J. Raji at #7 then taking Hakeem Nicks in the 2nd rnd. but wouldnt be surprised if we traded back up into the 1st rnd. to get Darrius Heward-Bey (D-Bey). Anyway I like the signing of Barnes.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
alisgod (Pls draft Robiskie) Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
If we can get Tank and Raji, wow that would give some boost to the D line
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Tank can be had very cheap and Raji can be a difference maker.
Plus the training camp competition would be incredible. Sands, Warren and Johnson could compete for a roster spot.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
The best part of this deal is right here:
[B]“Cornell Green to the bench, the role he was supposed to have for two seasons.”[/B]
March 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Also, props to Al on not going crazy paying big money to mediocre players.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Damn, they already got Barnes with the Raiders at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalif_Barnes
March 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
raji is weak + he’s the only top 15 DT.
he’ll be gone before #7.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
666
I don’t know. Cable sees something in the guy. I’m just happy Davis/Cable appear to be on the same page.
But he did give up 7.5 sacks last year.
March 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I agree with you S&B that C is a higher priority in the 2nd round, but what if both Mack and Unger are gone by then or we were able to trade down with Philly or Detroit?
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If Mack and Unger are gone, you still have Eric Wood sitting there
Strengths:
Very good size and bulk…Excellent strength…Super tough and real physical…A finisher who plays with a nasty demeanor…Light on his feet with nice footwork…Can pull and get to the second level…Quick and agile with decent athleticism…Intelligent with a first-rate football IQ…Intense and competitive…Hard worker…Has a ton of experience.
Or trade up by giving the 2nd and 3rd. I would have no problem with that. But I don’t think both players will be gone when we pick at #40
March 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
eric wood from louisville is rated up in the top three with mack and unger.the raiders will get one of them in the second round.i like mack as he is the strongest one.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
as long as Harris, i mean Barnes signed cheap..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
S&B, Raji and Tank now makes the most sense. Al is on record to say he liked Henderson. Maybe Cable sees a reclamation project with Barnes on the right. We are there with at least a mediocre line if we get Mack/Unger in the 2nd round. That means Raji or a DE in the first. Macklin or Crabtree would mean crap if Russell dont have the time to throw or the running game doesnt have lanes.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
DarthPirate Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
The best part of this deal is right here:
[B]“Cornell Green to the bench, the role he was supposed to have for two seasons.”[/B]
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Yes!!! Any upgrade at that position equals at least 1 victory
Remember the false starts and holds at the goalline.
That will go away
March 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Raji is fat and lazy. he’ll be just like Warren.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I think the Raiders would love Mack due to his coach being familiar with him but you are right that there are 3 good centers to be had in the 2nd round. But there is only one legit DT in Raji.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Raji is one mean SOB. I have seen him interviewed and play. He is feisty as case in point with the critique/response to Mayock. This guy is legit.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
alisgod (Pls draft Robiskie) Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
S&B, Raji and Tank now makes the most sense. Al is on record to say he liked Henderson. Maybe Cable sees a reclamation project with Barnes on the right. We are there with at least a mediocre line if we get Mack/Unger in the 2nd round. That means Raji or a DE in the first. Macklin or Crabtree would mean crap if Russell dont have the time to throw or the running game doesnt have lanes.
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The Raiders still have Mario to fall back on should Khalif falter. Also, the Raiders still can use a third round pick and bring in a guy like Troy Kropog who could start.
Tank and Raji makes our defense look professional now and would be great for getting the existing DTs to step up their game next year
March 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Barnes is a false start/holding machine…+ sacks…
only Harris was worse last year..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Tank is weak too…
thats why he’s still availible..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Big AL #34 Jamarcus does need help… with field postion and more 3 and out on d it will help..and not thinking he has to win the game by myself. Look at the t.b game last year the d did a good job of giving him a short field (and shane ) we need to stop the run first
March 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Well at least its a one year deal and we are not paying him bunch of money.
The other thing is Cable is not afraid bench a guy if he is sucking.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
raji will be another overpaid fatty who lacks motivation..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I’m higher on DT’s Peria Jerry and Ziggy Hood than I am on BJ Raji….
March 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Later boys. Another good day to be a Raider fan this offseason. I love getting them cheap. Good Job ol Man.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Cable took all year to bench Harris!!
that guy lost us game after game!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Thanks.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
raji will be another overpaid fatty who lacks motivation..
or he could be a sean rodgers.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
and cable took all year to bench the starting WRs.
this will set Henderson back…
unless Barnes wants to play RT.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I’m higher on DT’s Peria Jerry and Ziggy Hood than I am on BJ Raji….
those guys are 3 technics.the raiders need a 1 technic.sands is they only one and hes not very good.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I’m thinking Barnes is to compete for the RT job.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
rodgers…lol
March 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
MaddenRaider, you are powerless, friendless, and insignificant.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
take Crabtree #7
take a C in the 2nd.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
KoolKell I hope your right
March 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Harris part two hooray!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I’m higher on DT’s Peria Jerry and Ziggy Hood than I am on BJ Raji….
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Jerry and Hood have less versatility than Raji. Raji is a better 1 gap penetrator and plays the NT position and can take on double teams and win. Raji also plays the run better.
That’s why Raji is rated as a top 10 pick while Jerry is in the 15 – 25 range while Hood is a late 1st or 2nd round pick.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Then, I’d rather have NT’s Ron Brace, Jason Gilbert, Terrance Taylor, and Chris Baker….
March 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Raji is overrated in the top ten..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Why does everyone keep saying that Raji was the NT, when it was Brace who was the NT that freed up Raji?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
line men always put in subpar inconsistant seasons, then move way up in the draft if all the skill guys don’t run a 4.3…
this is an example of one of those years..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Crazy Ol’ Barrett, hiatus, MACK!
Do it at #7 and hear the screams! The WOOHOOs from Michalczik and Cable are the only ones that matter.
Why screw around with hoping and trading up. Just pick the man and be done with it.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
raji will be another overpaid fatty who lacks motivation..
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Orakpo will be another work out warrior
Smith will be another LT bust that can’t keep his weight.
Crabtree will be another overpaid receiver that can’t get separation
Maclin will be another overpaid receiver that can’t run good routes..
and on and on and on
All draft picks carry risk. There are no sure things when it comes to the draft.
Raji is as good as any prospect in the top 10 and will be an outstanding pick.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Raji has very little explosion + he’s fat…
so the project him as a NT.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Great idea ALisgod
I would love the idea of getting raji in the first round and mack in the second round. any chance of brian robiskie falling to us in the 3rd? Or will he be too slow for al?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Not terribley flattering…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
March 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Why does everyone keep saying that Raji was the NT, when it was Brace who was the NT that freed up Raji?
because raji can play nt,ng,dt,ut, and de in the 3-4 knowone has come along like that in a long time.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
everyone make sure to boycott raidernews.net
March 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
i meant boycot RAIDERFANS.NET
March 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
if people wan’t you to change positions before you step on the field, ….like Raji or the LTs then they arent top ten pics..
Crabtree….
March 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
75. Tend to agree and maybe Dorsey and Ellis, last years monster DT’s in the draft will start to produce THIS year. Last year they had little impact with the Chiefs and N.O.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Raji is lazy fat & slow so have fun with that again…
March 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
75. Tend to agree and maybe Dorsey and Ellis, last years monster DT’s in the draft will start to produce THIS year. Last year they had little impact with the Chiefs and N.O.
once again 3 technic guys knowhere close to the run stuffer raji is.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Dorsey was soooo much better than Raji in school…
How is this kid a top ten pic?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
# M Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Crazy Ol’ Barrett, hiatus, MACK!
Do it at #7 and hear the screams! The WOOHOOs from Michalczik and Cable are the only ones that matter.
Why screw around with hoping and trading up. Just pick the man and be done with it.
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I agree! I don’t think he’ll be there by the Raiders 2nd. Why mess around!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
great news! one year deal? We can now sign a solid LE vet like Vonnie Holliday, and sign SS Roy Williams to maybe a long term contract now. Lets go to the draft baby!!!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Then, I’d rather have NT’s Ron Brace, Jason Gilbert, Terrance Taylor, and Chris Baker….
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The 2nd round is going to be devoted to a Center unless something changes in free agency. Ron Brace will be gone and probably Jason Gilbert.
As for Taylor or Baker, how do you figure that a 4th or 5th round prospect grades better than a top 10 prospect that is could go as high as 3 to KC?
What is it in their games that you see that is superior to what the folks are saying about Raji?
The DT position is one of the most important positions on the field from a game impact standpoint. We should invest in this position with an infusion of elite talent and stop with the duct tape approach
March 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
well every 2 or 3 years AL wastes a top ten pick on a DT who doesn’t work hard and gets dumped after the first contract…. so go Raji i like loosing!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
# v-a Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
i meant boycot RAIDERFANS.NET
These clowns still around? I have never seen a site claiming it costs thousands a year to run it when we all know anyone can start a site for less than a couple hundred a year. These clowns rip people off charging for a service that 80% of their insider info is complete b.s.
I guess it shows how gullible some people are. That site is a joke
March 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I know that Al might want to take a look at anyone who has won the Freddie B award twice, but how often have the Raiders taken a WR in round 1. Timmy. Otherwise?
Put it this way, Millen did not learn his draft stuff at the knee of the Godfather.
then again Al said that he does not value consistency over being right. Crabs at #7? Reasonable.
drafting Alex Mack solid.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
v-a Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
i meant boycot RAIDERFANS.NET
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I SECOND that…complete A holes in charge over there…
March 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
take Crabtree! look how many superbowl teams ha a dominate WR..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
B.J Raji DT, Boston College
Outstanding mass and bulk…Excellent strength…Stout at the point of attack…Can fill two gaps…Able to occupy multiple blockers…Tough, powerful and nasty…A beast against the run…Can really collapse the pocket…Able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield…Above average athleticism…Quick and agile…Pursues well and has a burst to close…Good instincts and awareness…Will offer schematic versatility
March 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
85. so, Raji’s a two down guy?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
B.J Raji DT, Boston College
Elite size, bulk, and strength to play defensive tackle in the NFL and hold up against the bigger offensive linemen … Complete wall in the middle of the defensive line against the run … Somewhat athletic with fluid hips … End-to-end defender who can make plays outside of the phone booth … Best pass rush move is the bull rush … Very strong hands, occasionally manhandles opponents … Tough and plays through pain … Solid stamina despite his size … Able to play the highly valuable 3-4 nose tackle/zero technique.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
how many sacks did Raji have? tackles in the backfield? not many… thats why he moved up after the season…
Crabtree was the best player in football for two years. his only two years..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Nnamdi21,
show Raji a no huddle and he’ll be crawling between plays.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
i don’t care whos good after they hire an agent and a publisist… i want production.. CRABTREE!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Raji is going to KC. A qb to the hawks and the rest ahead of the Raiders will be OL. We will take defense in the 1st only if curry is there or we will take mack at 7 if we cant trade down.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Monroe,J. Smith,Raji in 1st
Robiskie,Mack,Unger in 2nd
March 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Raji will eat another baby as soon as he signs up…
just like fats tits A Smith..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Dorsey was soooo much better than Raji in school…
How is this kid a top ten pic?
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Comparing one player to another player is meaningless.
So what. Haloti Ngata was drafted in the 1st round. So was Broderick Bunkley and Tommie Harris. Amobe Okoye is a 1st rounder. Kevin Williams was taken at 9.
And there are plenty of busts too. But you can play this exercise with any player at any position. Let’s talk about Left Tackle busts!?!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
centers don’t go in the top ten.. sorry…
March 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Take a WR 50% of the probowl WRs were 1st rounders.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabtree…
cant anyone read a stat? he dominated!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Barnes… lets see, he’ll give up close to ten sacks, 20 penalties, hmmmm.
a good 20 drives down the tubes…
good call AL!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Naw please stop with all this BJ Raji mess! All we need is a player like Terrance Taylor in the 5th round to add to our depth at DT. Our DT’s will be just fine thank u! We can now release Cornell Brown, we picked up James Martens from the Cowboys last year and he should be able to back up at either tackle spot next year. If Pears beats out Mario Henderson at right tackle that would be even better news.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
would someone take my dik out of maddenraiders azz?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
at least he was cheap.
hope he’s a backup.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabtree…
cant anyone read a stat? he dominated!
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Games are dictated on the lines. Wide receivers are valued depending on the offense deployed. The Raiders are a run 1st offense with two backs that catch the ball, a tight end that catches the ball and they have a deep threat with Higgins/Shields and Schilens and Schilens has the ability to go up and get the jump ball.
Crabtree will be a player. But where the Raiders are right now, the D-Line and O-Line have to be the prioritiy.
Plenty of teams win games with decent receivers….no team wins with just a substandard line.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Barnes is just training camp fodder. someone to keep Henderson and Ohers feet to the fire.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
right now Henderson is the only decent LT we have..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
# 112 the Cardnals just won with an average line..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
cant be Raider fans in here, so much hating on players we’ve signed? That was a good move to solidifying our O-line. Man dude has went up agaist some of the best pass rushers in the game?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
This is good news. Now, we can concentrate on getting Jason Smith or Michael Oher with the number 7 pick, and then a DL in the 2nd and Jon Luigs in the 3rd.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
we dont have a starting WR… Shilens will Never draw a double team… and Higgins is too small to start. he’ll be dead by week 5 if he starts.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Raiderkev25 Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Naw please stop with all this BJ Raji mess! All we need is a player like Terrance Taylor in the 5th round to add to our depth at DT. Our DT’s will be just fine thank u! We can now release Cornell Brown, we picked up James Martens from the Cowboys last year and he should be able to back up at either tackle spot next year. If Pears beats out Mario Henderson at right tackle that would be even better news.
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We’ve tried the undrafted free agent and 2nd day draft pick route on the D-Line. The result is the worst run defense in the NFL (next to the Lions) AND one of the worst overall defenses in the NFL.
I doubt the Raiders are going to be a number 1 offense next year. It took Peyton Manning and Tom Brady a few years IN THE SAME SYSTEM to have prolific offense.
Plus, if the defense gets rolled over in long drives and gives up points, then the offense has to get out of its game and start throwing every down.
Fix the defense…and not with backup players from the 2nd day of the draft
March 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Barnes sucked against his competition!
he was replaced by an older guy!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I don’t think there is hating on the players we’ve signed, I just see Oher at LT, Luigs,at C, Felton at RG, right there you have some of the best offensive linemen to EVER come out of the SEC. Add Gallery in there and move Henderson or Barnes to RT, and you have a formidable offensive line.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Crabtree winning the Freddy B award 2 years in a row, surely means something to Al Davis.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Fat boys like Raji is why we suck so bad in the second half of games…
March 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
We all know about Barnes’ struggles last year, but what was his play like in the 4 years prior?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
But will Davis go spastic pulling the trigger on a WR with a 4.6 40 time?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Yes Crabtree! nobody is that good at WR two years in a row… he was doubled all year, and even in a spread, with 18 other guys to go to, he still got the Bilitnikof award twice!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Barnes got worse every year of his career..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
no waY al drafts a wr with 4.6 speed.raji on the other hand is 330 pounds.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
No Fatties!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
why don’t you turds like wining!
fatboys get tired in the fourth quarter..
Raji is just the same old crap..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Yes Crabtree! nobody is that good at WR two years in a row… he was doubled all year, and even in a spread, with 18 other guys to go to, he still got the Bilitnikof award twice!!
texas tech has been running that offense for years.when
was the last time a wr from that team was any good.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
when did Crabs run a 4.6? oh never..
March 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
when did any other WR put up those #s.. in any offense?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Barnes played great before last year, (but a lot of players stunk on Jacksonville last year.) Kwame Harris never played great. I think the change of scenery will work for Barnes.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
#1 talent on the board….Crabtree
March 14th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
just get raji, mack, and robiskie and its all good
March 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Clues on where the Raiders won’t pick at 7
I wanted to play the young players. All year long, I wanted to play the young players. In the last two games, Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. That was about the only time, that someone started to play those two guys regularly, where they could show what they could do where they could run and show their speed. Higgins had other opportunities, but it was great, if you take five touchdowns in two games, and even whittle it down to two touchdowns in 16 games apiece, we’ve got tw o guys who are catching eight touchdowns apiece. I think the youth of this team, if you really follow it and watch it, has really got a chance to be pretty good, and he believed in the youth and played them, and showed us what they could do those two young guys, for just as an example.
—-Al Davis
March 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
texas tech has been running that offense for years.when
was the last time a wr from that team was any good.
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blackdeath brings up a good point here. The Big 12 has historically been known as a run first, run defense type of conference. How many great players in the passing game have come out of the Big 12?? Really, not that many. Now, defensive linemen, offensive linemen, and running backs??? The Big 12 is a good place to look. But WR’s and CB’s, and QB’s, not quite so much.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Raji is fat.. another 4th quarter looser…
take Crabtree so Higgens can keep returning punts.. he;s a tiny slot WR not a starting Flanker.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
my fault i forgot the great raider carlos francis.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
wow big 12… have you heard of Jerry Rice or Randy Moss….? Playmakers are playmakers…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Fracis? how many B awards did he win by his second year? how many tds?
March 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
wow big 12… have you heard of Jerry Rice or Randy Moss….? Playmakers are playmakers…
big 12???????????
March 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
whatever, take another fat lazy turd AL, see if that same old way works this time…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
WRs can come from any conference… even the big 12..
they don’t get as many greats cause they mostly run..
but if you find 1 you take him!
March 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
how can Crabtree be the best player on the board for nearly 2 years and suddenly fall just cause he missed a 40 run?
March 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
you don’t EVER run a 40 on offense…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
WRs can come from any conference… even the big 12..
they don’t get as many greats cause they mostly run..
but if you find 1 you take him!
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You’re right. WR’s could come from outer space, for all we care, and frankly some of them probably do. But the point is, sometimes a WR will excel in his conference, but only because that conference does not match up well to that style of play. In the NFL, everyone is very good, so that advantage goes away very very quickly.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
how can Crabtree be the best player on the board for nearly 2 years and suddenly fall just cause he missed a 40 run?
look knowone has anything against crabtree.we are just sick and tired of the run defense being treated like a redheaded step child.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Rji is no answer.. fat and slow dead by the 4th qtr.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
we need an upgrade at DT but we don’t need another fat contract for a lazy fat kid..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
you don’t EVER run a 40 on offense…
and in the nfl there is no such thing as a slow corner.4.6 slow corners get moved to safety on draft day.4.8 get moved to weak side linebacker.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
the D in the big 12 is fine… again, how did Rice do after college. where he played against 0 pros?
March 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
again when did Crabtree run a 4.6…. never!!
March 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
They are going another year with Javon Walker, and youngsters.
Unaddressed, is Center.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Lions traded for Linebacker julian Peterson today which means they won’t be picking up curry. He may fall to us…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
rice is not from the big 12.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
you guys drink that Davis koolaid don’t cha?
drafting giant monster after giant lazy underachiving monster… they look great on the bus… terrible in the 4th qtr..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Let me flot you guys this Idea, Say the Det. Lions don’t want to draft a QB first pick like its being reported but they still want and need a QB. So trade our firs pick for their second pick in the first round, I think number 20 and their 2nd round pick. We pick up either H. Bey or H. Nicks and then the center Mack.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Rice was from a terible 1-a school… my point was the competition for Crabtree was plenty good enough in th big 12..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
there are 3 good centers in the draft.. use some sense and wait till the 2nd round.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Restructuring Walker seems to take Crabtree off the table.
The O-line pickups seems to take the Tackles off the table.
The Starting Center is gone.
The Safeties are gone.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
you guys drink that Davis koolaid don’t cha?
drafting giant monster after giant lazy underachiving monster… they look great on the bus… terrible in the 4th qtr..
over the last 20 more 300 plus fat guys have made the probowl than 4.6 wr(rice,bolden)and by the way rice and bolden are fast they are 100 meter guys not 40 guys.but still two in 20 years are not good numbers.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Restructuring Walker seems to take Crabtree off the table.
The O-line pickups seems to take the Tackles off the table.
The Starting Center is gone.
The Safeties are gone.
your right but i think they will draft a center in the second round
March 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
when did crabtree run a 4.6……….never lame.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Walker is garbage… we resigned him so we could afford to bench his tired azz.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
its all about # 158
March 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
if you guys were in charge we’d take Grove & Gallery every year..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Rice was from a terible 1-a school… my point was the competition for Crabtree was plenty good enough in th big 12..
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Walter Peyton came from a small school too, but that is not a realistic type of comparison. The issue with Crabtree and Maclin for that matter, is when they both went up against NFL calibre talent, they both fell off the wagon, Maclin worse than Crabtree. The college game is a COMPLETELY different game than the pro game. That’s what makes scouting so tough. We all know Crabtree played great. No one is doubting that. The question is, will he be nearly as good at the next level?? Will his game translate to the next level?? I don’t know how well it will.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
You’re calling me lazy, MR?
I am someone.
What have you ever done with your life?
That’s right. You are powerless, friendless, and overall inconsequential.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
it will
March 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
i just hope Cable can transform Kawmi2, i mean Barnes into a decent T.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
why would we take that guy (Barnes) without even talking to Pace??
March 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
if you guys were in charge we’d take Grove & Gallery every year..
fine .your right they draft crabtree .it still does nothing for the run defense.by the way calvin johnson did not break any records in collage but crabtree will never be as good as him.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Blackdeath29
Yeah, that’s the wisdom. I’d just as soon have Mack, than Crabtree, Raji, or the other mentionable s.
Stability at Center is a Raider Trademark. (when they were good)
March 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I mean Barnes is lazy, penalty ridden, and he gives up sacks on the blindside…WTF??
March 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
BECAUSE IT`S COLLEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Centers dont go in the top ten!
trade down and we can talk.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Blackdeath29
Yeah, that’s the wisdom. I’d just as soon have Mack, than Crabtree, Raji, or the other mentionable s.
Stability at Center is a Raider Trademark. (when they were good)
i like mack too,i love mack but they want draft him at number 7.so i have to hope they get him at number 40.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
and C johnson is a freak… but Crabtree wil be great.
the best hands in the draft… thats why these lames compare him to Fitz, its the crazyglue hand & the perfect routs…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
the raiders are going raji in the first it makes since.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
40 speed is not the only speed used to get open.. + we run a west coast O. his agility & cutting speed along with his size & hands will tear up this league..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
i got news for you .he is not larry fitzgerald not even close.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
The difference between #7 & 40 is several million. Yet, as a fan, I see Center as the biggest weakness on the roster, as of now.
Later guys.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
no fat Raji! we have done much better getting DTs in the 5th round for pennies..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
west coast offense?
March 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ok now we know what we WON’T draft, an OT.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Hands, Crabs might have the best in football, as good as Fitz. or Rice watch him play! not run a track!
March 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Al’s sagging etc.
C’s don’t go in the top ten! Why not? Because draftniks say not? BFD. All great Raider teams have had that essential player. Did I say essential? Yes essential player in the middle. Draft Alex Mack and move on to the next round. Done deal.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
The Barnes pick-up is a good one. I watched all of there games last year and his numbers from last year should be thrown out the window. Last year he played on a team where the entire line was injured and one of his linemates was almost shot to death and had his leg amputated. If anything, judge him off of the prior year when this team was one of the top teams.This kid is way better than Harris and Cable should be able to coach him up.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
The Raiders aren’t going for Raji. He has not shown enough to merit that high of a pick. And remember, this Raji guy was not eligible to play two years ago, because he wouldn’t go to class. Not the kind of guy you want to sink $40mm in.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
zone blocking, slant patterns, three step drops. ya west coast. like USC…
March 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
# RAJ ALL DAY Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ok now we know what we WON’T draft, an OT.
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I don’t think that’s true at all. I think what this means is they are trying to do EVERYTHING possible to get this offense on track. If that means taking an excellent LT at #7, I am sure they will not hesitate to pull the trigger on it.
March 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
M
great. C in the first and then in the second we can take an equaly good center! yay!!
waste, waste, waste. thats the raider draft way..
March 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
M
lets take another kicker in the first since it dosen’t matter where you draft for position..
March 14th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Jano was a need pick if you have any memory of Cole Ford. I did not mind the pick, still don’t.
let’s see, Michael Huff, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Vernon Gholston, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, Robert Gallery, Reggie Bush among the many who are drafted in the high picks because you are only supposed to draft QBs RBs CBs LTs and DEs for that money right? Oh yes and all the Det WRs.
Screw it. Pick whoever it is that you want regardless of position. All the MoFos are overpaid anyway.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Nice stop gap for a year, now get Oher around pick 11_15 and Mack around 25, then NT then SOLB Good job Mr. Cable!
March 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
zone blocking, slant patterns, three step drops. ya west coast. like USC…
learn your football.the 49ers did not invent zone blocking or slant patterns.they did invent the dirty cut block on the back of guys knees,and they did employ alot of 3 step drops.and speaking of usc they use a zone blocking with power the same as cal.and they got it from nfl teams.the raiders and broncos where the last two pure zone blocking teams.usc also runs a 4-3 under defense with the ss in the box ,same as the raiders ,but i did notice the raiders switch to a 4-3 over the last two games.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Ok, here is da real deal. Let’s look at what is our teams trouble? We were bad in passing and stopping the run. Good in stopping the pass and running the ball. So we addressed the offensive lineman, keep in mind we still need a C and G. To be better in passing, we need an elite WR, Crabtree is a legit threat and talent we can’t pass on. So offensively we are there. As far as stopping the run, we been bad for ages and we just need an upgrade from the current players we have. Personally, I thought we were gonna cut Sand and Warren. We need to draft an outside linebacker who can stop the run more than coverage. Our linebackers are more coverage rather than run stoppers. A solid nose tackle will help us, so personally I still think we need to find more talent
March 14th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Demon Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
What about giving our 2nd to the Saints to get WR Lance Moore?
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Hell no! Although he catches everything in sight, dude is a midget. We coulda went after Laverneus Coles (who’s faster) if we wanted that. Moore will not be as productive with a QB that is almost a foot taller with a rocket arm. Brees is perfect for him.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
I saw a post earlier that suggested Curry might be available at #7 due to today’s trade…now I know why us Raider fans get a bad wrap.
In case you haven’t noticed, the Lions HC is a defensive guy. Curry is going #1 to the Lions regardless of the Peterson trade.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Oh yeah, this offseason’s really a good one !
Now the priority is to sign Holt or Harrison in order to help our young WR, and sign Raji at #7 and Mack or Unger in the second round !
March 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Barnes is and will be better than Harris. This is not a bad hire based on who’s available.
The Raiders do need a Center badly, and will draft one with one of the first two picks. I wonder if they’ll get an offer to trade the #7, move down to get Mack, and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. Probably not but that would be cool by me.
Otherwise you’d think they would just take the best player available, which would be Curry/Crabtree/Raji in that order. I think any of those three would bring a welcome improvement to their position.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Lions – Curry
Rams – J.Smith
Chiefs – Orakpo
Hawks – Monroe
Browns – Maclin
Bengals – B. Wells
Raiders – Crabtree
Jags – A.Smith
March 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Forget about 40 times. They don’t run in drawls and track shoes in the games. I think Al has another FA pickup up his sleeve so our draft board may change.
As of today, Crabtree’s the pick.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
IMO, center is the most glaring need.
Wade is 2 years older than anyone on the team. I hope he has a couple of great years ahead. I don’t believe Morris is the answer.
What are the FA options? (Buffalo’s Duke Preston?)
March 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
What’s up nation?
March 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Raji
Orakpo
Trade Down for Mack & Brace.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
I wanted Shaffer, but Barnes is a better RT. He is stronger than Shaffer. Al you are the man. One year Deal, and if he performs we can resign him or franchise him. I love it. Who said the man lost it?!? Crazy talk.
Al sign chris Mc to play safety, and draft a D lineman in the 1st.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Al Davis likes touchdowns, and he likes playmakers. Michael Crabtree scored 41 touchdowns, caught virtually everything thrown to him and accounted for about seven million first downs in two years.
It is delusional to think Al won’t draft him because he doesn’t run a scorched-earth 40 yard dash.
Let’s not fool ourselves; we are very thin at wide receiver and there is no way Al pays a big, strong-armed QB like JaMarcus that kind of money to hand the ball off all the time, and take the risk of being one injury away from having to bring in some stiff that nobody else wants to try and get open and catch the ball. Not with Crabtree on the board. He knows JRuss needs weapons, and if Crabtree is available there’s no way he passes on him.
I think.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Chris Mc can be a PB FS for a few years. He can be like Rod, sign him big Al.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
If the Lions bypass Curry, I could also see the following order…which is not good for us:
Lions – J.Smith
Rams – Monroe
Chiefs – Curry
Hawks – Maclin
Browns – Orakpo
Bengals – Crabtree
Raiders – Take your pick…asmith/raji/maualuga
March 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Teach,
Al loves players who run fast 40s. The only player we drafted who wasn’t that fast was Nnamdi. The thing is when Nnamdi was drafted, he was drafted to play Safety. Now for a S he had speed. So Al has not drafted a slow skill player in the first ever.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
KoolKell hates me but keeps saying who he would like to have on the team with my money.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I don’t see the Lions passing on Stafford.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
NAKED truth,
Raji plays the same spot as our fat Tommy Kelly???
Great idea to drat him…nothing like being without a NT. And a NFL level starting Center for that matter by passing on Mack for a dwarf DT.
Russel Maryland played the run, not the pass, for you wise @sses that are going to mention Maryland was 6′1…oh yeah…and Jerry Ball was a run stopper, not pass rusher.
So Raji helps us stop the run how???
March 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
219, LMAO.
You are the man Al.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Mr. Davis, do you guys need a water boy?
March 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
this davis/cable duo is feeling pretty darn good. now lets get the dline stouter and lets win some FU@$%#% games…………….
March 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Raider 0, we might, KoolKell had the job of water boy but he kept tripping and falling, it’s hard to run water while wearing a skirt and high heals.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I said it a few times, I like T Taylor. He was the strongest at the combine 37 reps. WalterFootball and Draft Countdown say his bread and butter is stuffing the run. My kinda guy. He is short but build well at 6′0 and 315 pounds.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I don’t think the Lions will pass on Stafford either…at pick #20. The commish better make a seat for him in the Green room similar to Brady Quinn. Mark Sanchez is passing Stafford, the niners are the first team with major need at QB and they would take Sanchez. Jusy my thoughts.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I like Taylor too. He could be had on Day 2. Good value to fill a need. He’s not a starter but who cares, we need to rotate our DL anyway. We don’t have an elite player at the position.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Mr. Davis, I’m your guy. I will work for free, and you know how much you love that.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
We didn’t break the bank to get Barnes,we needed someone to man up w/ Mario, competition will make them both work harder. Good work Mr. Davis As for the draft, i’d like the C from Cal, but i don’t care as long as they are an IMPACT player, period.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Al bring in Holt, Crabtree will be gone at #7, and if Walker can’t bounce back, at least you’ll have a class act like Holt.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Assassin,
If you don’t think he is a starter, and many agree with you ( I don’t, and I can see him starting next to Kelly on day one, comes out on passing downs.). We can draft Brace or another DT in the 3rd. T Taylor can be had in the 4th.IMO
We can draft the best value at 7 since we need a lot of help, and a center in the 2nd.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
take Crabtree or Maualuga in the 1st, one of the top 2 C’s in the 2nd, if they are gone which I doubt take Tyrone Mckenzie Lb S.Florida take a Safety or a Center if we havent already gotten one in the 2nd. Pick up Tank Johnson
March 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
O,
There’s no doubt Raji could start from day one, but I don’t want to pay him #7 money for the exact reason you mentioned…he’s not a 3 down player. I don’t want to confuse this, I’m a Raji fan, just not at #7.
As for Brace and Taylor, I don’t care which one we draft, I just want one of them. Preferably Taylor in the later rounds. That would mean that we spent earlier picks on WR, C, LB, etc.
I’ll be a happy fan if Brace or Taylor is on our roster.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
We’ve heard alot of negative things about Barnes. I’m happy that we have depth with experience if anything. The more competition, the better the outcome hopefully. This will be a test run for Barnes and if it works out, we pay him more money in an uncapped year. No big deal but it helps us focus on some other areas on our team and that is good in itself.
March 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Raider O… I hear what you’re saying, and you may be right about that.
Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part, but just this once I would love for him to draft a football player to play out there instead of a track star. JLH may turn out to be a real good player, but in reality Cliff Branch was the last burner we had that actually did anything. Don’t have a problem with those kind of guys on the roster, but somebody’s got to be able to go over the middle, make the tough catches, be a real threat in the red zone, and get first downs. Crabtree made a career out of exactly those things in college.
Speed isn’t everything. Ask Arizona… besides, it’s not like Crabtree’s slow (although every time somebody in here that doesn’t want him posts, his 40 time seems to get slower… now he runs a 4.6 lol).
Just sayin’…
March 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
218 Raider O, Nnam was a S, we drafted him to be a CB after a “by chance” meeting with our scouts, he was slotted to be a 3rd rndr. Miller is slow but he was a second rd pick that we traded down for
March 14th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
218 Raider O, Nnam was a S, we drafted him to be a CB after a “by chance” meeting with our scouts, he was slotted to be a 3rd rndr. Miller is slow but he was a second rd pick that we traded down for……
March 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Scout.com has Khalif Barnes listed as the 9th best Offensive Tackle on the free agent market. The positive to that is he has only been in the league for 4 years so he is still very young and hes a big guy at 6′5 325lbs. Maybe Tom Cable and the new Offensive Line coach from Cal can turn this guys future into a bright one with their teachings.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Barnes is also from Spring Valley, CA so hes a native so maybe being home will help his career as well.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Khalif Barnes
Has been a mainstay at left tackle in his first three seasons with 41 starts … Part of offensive line that helped Jaguars rush for the two highest single-season totals in franchise history the last two seasons … Jaguars led NFL in rushing yards from 2006-07 with 154.1 average … Jaguars set a single-season franchise record for rushing yards in 2006 with 2,541 (158.8) including a single-game record of 375 rushing yards vs. Indianapolis in 2006 … Started final 12 games of the 2005 season as a rookie … Is one of just six offensive linemen in Jaguars history to start 12 or more games as a rookie … Teammate of wide receiver Reggie Williams at Washington … Was 52nd overall selection in the 2005 draft, the fourth offensive tackle drafted behind Jamaal Brown, Alex Barron and Michael Roos …
COLLEGE
Only allowed three sacks in final two seasons … Started at both right and left tackle after moving from defensive tackle as a redshirt freshman … Anchored offensive line from the left tackle position the first five games of senior season before fracturing wrist … Was All-Pac 10 Conference honorable mention as a junior left tackle … Graduated with a degree in criminal justice.
PERSONAL
Single … Lives in Spring Valley, Calif. … Attended Mount Miguel (Spring Valley, Calif.) High … Recorded 120 tackles and nine sacks at DL as a senior … Member of the San Diego Union-Tribune’s All-Academic first-team … Named All-League and All-CIF in 1998 and 1999 … Voted the conference’s Defensive MVP … Also lettered in basketball … Sister, Ijlal, plays basketball at San Diego State and brother, Ahmad, plays football at Texas Southern … Participates in a variety of community outreach activities which include time spent at a local YMCA where he along with other teammates helped pass out sporting goods equipment to the youth … Attended the annual Food Drive Kickoff event … Joined teammates by making a contribution toward Thanksgiving and holiday outreach events …Supports and attends team-sponsored events … Full name: Khalif Ehmad Barnes.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
#24 Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Scout.com has Khalif Barnes listed as the 9th best Offensive Tackle on the free agent market.
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How many free agent tackles were on the market??? Probably 9. That’s not good. I would be surprised if Barnes made the team.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
RAIDERS REEL IN BARNES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:58 p.m.
Earlier today, our friends at RaiderBeat.com reported that talks between the Raiders and tackle Khalif Barnes were back on, and that a deal could soon be done.
And soon is now — Barnes is a Raider.
According to John Clayton of ESPN.com, the Raiders have signed Barnes.
But if Clayon is serious when he says that the one-year with underachieving Barnes constitutes a “free agent coup,” we suggest that Clayton sleep off whatever it is that he’s been smoking or drinking.
Barnes was a chronic underachiever in Jacksonville, who nearly lost his starting job last year to Richard Collier.
Then there’s the whole “KKK Devil” thing, followed by the abandoned Mercedes that he wrapped around a tree thing.
So, yeah, they scored a real coup, John. Maybe next they’ll trade for Donte’ Stallworth.
But, hey, at least Clayton will get an extra-large fruit basket this Christmas from the guys at Priority Sports & Entertainment.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Barnes was 9 out of 33. That doesn’t make him good but it doesn’t make him the worst either. I’m just curious to see how this works. It may not but we’ll have to see. Tom Cable wasn’t the greatest Head Coaching selection ever either but this is all a wait and see so lets do just that. I don’t expect much to change until it actually does either way.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Barnes is going to make the probowl you pitty-pats,…i love the signing…go raiders.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
I would still expect us to take a LT at 7 overall, and Barnes most likely not making the roster. Unless you cut either Pears, Green or Henderson. Maybe Green. We need to get “Art Shell” back out there in the Silver and Black. This is the draft to do that!
March 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
#24,..you use the number of the worst player on the team and you think your opinion should mean anything?…you bubble butt…huff sucks and so does your theories,..you dumb dumb.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
oakglenn you are clearly a retard, always have been…you pickle head.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Liberace, go away. no one cares what you think.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
you all know diddly squat.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
If Khalif Barnes was worth keeping the Jaquars would not have let him hit the market. The word is he is mediocre as he gives up sacks and false starts alot. That is why the Raiders signed to a one year contract.
The Raider’s last six years of losing is a direct result their bad “O” line. Anyone remember Nov 6th, 2006 the Monday night game against the Seahawks? Where the Raider QBs were sacked 9 times and spent the rest of the game running for their life. The “O” line is the foundation of the football team, the secret ingredient that makes everything else work. Secret because the success and failure of every game is directly related to how well the “O” line functions.
A DOMINATE blocking “O” line keeps the offense out of 3rd and long, it allows the running game to get the first downs that sets up the passing game and allows the defense to rest. A dominate “O” line elevates the game of every other position not the othe way around.
However, contrary to popular believe, a dominate “O” line cannot be obtained in the later rounds. The Raiders have proved this time and time again. If the Raiders are to get back to the Superbowl, Al Davis has to make the sacrifice of spending his money on the “O” line and not the prima donna positions until the the “O” line is dominate.
Henderson is not a lock at LT as he needed lots of help the last two games. So the #7 pick has to be Andre Smith and a center in the 2nd round. As hard as it is for some fans to draft “O” line with the higher picks, it is a fact that the premiun talent is only available with a high pick. Build the line this year and get it done once and for all.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
you care troll patrol guy or you wouldnt have responded,..you fuzz ball!
March 14th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
road dog go take a long walk off a short pier, you buzz killing tree frog!!
March 14th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
The only thing I can say in defense of Barnes is that the Jags have had sh!t for receivers and we know how that goes. Its very possible that nobody has gotten open on that offense and the QB has had to hold onto the ball longer than he has desired. The Jags have had a great running game and they have focused on that but seriously…the last good receivers the team had was Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell and Mark Brunell was QB.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
by the way the raiders will sign torry holt, so there you mutton heads!!
March 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
24 you shush, you and huff are both inbreds.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I will say this however…I’m not against the team drafting an Offensive Tackle. I’m down for whatever improves the team and I agree that the offensive line is crucial. Whatever the decision ends up being, we can only hope its the right one.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
huff being cut before draft after nobody will trade for his sorry keester.
March 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Barnes has gone downhill since they drafted him a couple of years ago. With Barnes we are really in a no win situation. If he sucks, we lose, if he does really well, he’s a high demand free agent next year, and we are back to square one.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Assassin,
I agree 7th is a reach for Raji, and I like Orakpo. I do agree with youon having a NT in later rounds. Watson from the Cards was a 4th. One if the top 3 centers in the 2nd would be nice, and then draft the best value to fill a lot of our needs.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Yo homies.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
LOL- Im the joker that wanted Gholston. I guess you cant be right all of the time.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Eric Wood or Jon Luigs should be available in the 3rd round. Both of them would be excellent centers. We don’t need to take the #7 pick and use it on Alex Mack.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I got a tattoo today, the numbers 666 on forehead. looks awesome!!
March 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Raccoon,
Thought he played both S and CB at Cal, but I could be mistaken since I’m not a Cal fan. We drafted to play S, and Norv thought he can play CB, so we gave him a shot at it after playing FS his rookie season. That’s what I remember, but you know what happens after years of morning sessions. lol
March 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
alex mack sucks.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
southern cal got automatic bid today.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
And since we didnt get the DE last year, my vote goes for Orakpo.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Ok, OT is out at 7, LOL … Sorry Oak!
It’s probably a good thing, as there is no way you really wanted to go into this season with a rookie C, rookie OT, and the inexperienced Henderson all starting, right?
Crabtree won’t last until 7.
We are not drafting Raji with Warren and Kelly still on the team. We have two starting DTs. Unlike Seattle, we did not cut one of them.
At this point, the most glaring need is C. There is no guarantee that Mack, Unger, or Wood will be on the board when we pick. I think that may be significant in that those are probably the only 3 guys who could come in and START right away. Which of course is exactly what we need.
I think there is a realy chance we see a C in the 1st rnd. Whether it be trading back a few spots, or outright drafting one at 7, it’s got to be the play. We simply can’t take the chance of missing out on one of the top 3 guys for a guy who won’t start.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Barnes?
March 14th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Grim,
Give the Kid a chance under Ryan’s D. He will use him the same as Suggs. The kid played DE at OSU, not OLB in a 3-4 scheme. He needs time to learn how to cover, and read plays. His job as a rookie should have been very simple, rush the passer. I’m not ready to give up on him yet. Ya, Ya, I wanted him or Dmc last year.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Let’s safely pencil in McQuistan as the backup LT, and Green as the backup RT …
We still have Pears, Barnes, and Henderson fighting it out for the starting spots.
We are not drafting OT at 7.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
I want Orakpo too. He is more of an every down DE. He can play the pass and run well.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Im so stoked were getting o-line help right from the get go. Now we need to focus on the D-line whether its from the draft or free agent. But I dont see a lot of quality players in free agency so draft it is.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
We simply can not start the season with Wade or Morris at C. Unless Morris is by some miracle the guy we’re all looking for, someone please tell me what the plan is.
Hoping for a 2nd or 3rd rd pick to be that guy can’t really be the plan, can it?
Crabtree and Curry will be gone when we pick. Do we really need Maclin over a starting C? Orakpo instead of a starting C. At this point, I see nothing more important that filling that role in the draft.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Barnes is terrible. I supposed they signed him to replace Harris. I don’t like this signing at all.
7.5 sacks allowed, 9 penalties, and a DUI.
A least it’s only a one year deal.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Orakpo would solidify our line right away. And thats exactly what we need even though we only have 3 interior linemen. So I would like to have either Orakpo or Rajji.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Ocrapo will not be the pick at no. 7
March 14th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I hope he’s there at 7. And I agree, OT in the 1st is a long shot now. Barnes only has a one year deal. Maybe Al did that to draft an OT and have him sit a year, or it was about the money. Also he wants to see what Mrio can do with a full season.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Orakpo is not going to have more of an impact than C. Long or Gholston did in their first year. Orakpo would eventually solidify our line, but I don’t think he wouldn’t start over Burgess this year.
I not going to sit here and say anything bad about Orakpo. He’s going to be a lights out player. But we can’t afford to not address the starting C position. We would basically be forced to trade back into the bottom of the first round to enusre a shot at at least Unger. We can not just “HOPE” that one of the 3 guys will be there in the 2nd at our regular spot. That would be a HUGE gamble.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Why will Orakpo not be the #7 pick? Hes pretty solid. And plus, theres no superstars like Mcfadden to cloud our main purpose. Which is to shore up our D-line.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Chances are, Burgess will get hurt. Just like every year. And when he does, it will be nice to be able to plug another pass rusher in his place thats able to pick up the slack. You have to remember, this is Burgess last year on his contract so sooner or later youre gonna’ have to replace him.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Man, if we can get Holt for a couple years and then draft the Good DT, Raji, in the first and trade up to get Alex Mack (Go Bears!) at the bottom of the 1st, say with next year’s first pick or something, then we can get a receiver in the 3rd and we are done completely on OFF. Work on the D line and LB/ SS later in draft or next year and we are the class of the division.
March 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
LOL. We’ll see. Best case scenario is that the team starts winning, the media gives Cable the credit (and they will), and Al starts playing the same games with Cable that he did with Gruden. Again, that’s best case scenario. Likely scenario is that Cable is a typical Davis puppet, and Al’s trying to make it look like he’s giving Cable control. We’ll see. We’ll see how much we’re running that football.
March 14th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Im just hoping O’neil comes back healthy. I think that was a big hit when he went down. I think that hurt us more than most think.
March 14th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
BTW, today’s the first time I’ve heard ANYONE mention Tom Cable, in weeks! Tells you how much control Cable really has. Herrera has more control than Cable. Cable is Norv Turner, with about 3 more chins.
March 14th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Barnes’ form was as shakey as Harris’ last year. I can’t get too excited about this signing.
We should still be looking at OT in the first.
At present we still dont have any bona fide starters at LT or RT
March 14th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
CRABTREE IF THERE AT 7 WE WILL SIGHN PACE at ot next week then well the pick at 7 is the ? crABS OR ?
March 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
LISTEN HERE,Big AL ,and CABLE and RAIDERS who read this!The coaches and CABLE already know our needs even before you do!COACH CABLE and the new 2009 DRAFT-ROOKIES know the NFL is hard and ROUGH N TOUGH,and he knows AL and the WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!This man has brought us from the dead,and is a farmer who has PUT UP THE PANTS that others don’t have.He has the coaches in place,I said that before!He knows we have to stop the run,so the backfield can pick them off.CABLE KNOWS 3 AND OUT.CABLE KNOWS THE OFFENSE WHEN ITS OUT,MUST STAY OUT.CABLE KNOWS,WHEN OUR OFFENSE IS OUT THERE IS PAYBACK TIME!He also knows “HOW SWEET IT IS”when the NFL WEST IS LICKING!!!This man won’t TAKE SHH and he will address this new RAIDERS TEAM!He already knows “THE SINGLETARY LAW OF THE WEST”I wan’t players that wan’t to win,because with the others I,can’t work with them ,I can’t coach with them,I can’t win with them!SO this tells you, he knows,and said HE WHO DON’T WAN’T TO BE A RAIDER COME TO MY OFFICE IS OPEN,COME GET THE PAPERS AND LEAVE!BUT THOSE WHO WAN’T TO WIN FOLLOW ME!
March 14th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Cable knows AL is watching.The whole world is watching!THE SINGLETARY RULE OF THE WEST.I wan’t PLAYERS THAT WANT TO WIN!
March 15th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Mock Draft
1. Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
2. Alex Mack C California
3. Ramses Barden WR Cal Poly-SLO
4. Ricky Jean-Francois DE LSU
6. Chris Baker DT Hampton
7. Spencer Adkins MLB Miami
March 15th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Oher at 11_15 then Mack around 25, then NT then SOLB Work your plan Mr. Cable
March 15th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Oh, and again, it’s a relief to hear you guys talking about Cable for the first time since, well, he got hired pretty much. I was starting to wonder if he still worked here.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Actually, it’s me. Cable basically is Norv Turner with additional chins. I’ve always said that.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:30 am
There good value at S this draft. Moore, Chung, and others have grest size and good speed. If we can trade down ( big IF since Al doesn’t like doing that), draft a center, WR, Michael Johnson, and S, then in our 3rd draft Brace. It’s late and I can dream. lol
March 15th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Grest = great.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:12 am
I vote we trade down and try grab Perry or Mack in the first round and i’m still a big fan of getting Robiskie in the second – maybe we could trade down in the first and up in the second in the same trade..
March 15th, 2009 at 2:25 am
we have to stop the run or we will never get better..Raji and/or Maualuga make the most sense in Rd.1..grab a receiver in Rd.2 and then O-line and D-line the rest of the draft
March 15th, 2009 at 2:36 am
I really love khalif barnes! But I would much rather be with kwame Harris he has a monster c•<+
March 15th, 2009 at 4:41 am
Good Morning NATION
March 15th, 2009 at 4:44 am
Rumor ’round Tampa is the Bucs giving the donkeys their 1st and 3rd for Cutler.Bucs already gave Cleavland their 2nd 4 Winslow
March 15th, 2009 at 6:06 am
My guess is McDaniels is po’ed Cassell went to the Chiefs.
If the trade with Tampa goes down, look for Garcia in Denver.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:08 am
…i need a drink. baadd.
he-hicks!
March 15th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Who are the top DTs in the draft? Raji, Hood, Jerry? Is Raji definately the best?
March 15th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Anyone think we should go for Curry or Cushing??
March 15th, 2009 at 6:36 am
DRAFT MACK =)
March 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Cushing is only a two-down-LB. although he would be a upgrade on the Raiders, he isnt worth a first from the Raiders perspective. or a second, imo.
and as long as Terdell Sands, TK and Warren are under contract, i cant see the Raiders invest a pick in a DT in the first three rounds of the draft.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Good Morning Nation,
UKRaidersFan89, If Curry is available @ #7 I would imagine the Raiders would take Him.
Cushing appears to be a fine player as well.
If the Raiders were to select cushing I’d think it would be in some sort of trade down from the 7th spot, or a trade up back into the 1st round.
Both players fill a defensive need.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Morning 4eva,
I want the Mack too.
For the very same reasons you’ve stated previously.
Plug and play for 10yrs.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Yep RaiderLen,the last time we dominated games was when we had a dominating Center Robbins
March 15th, 2009 at 7:03 am
the Raiders actually have only four CBs on their roster.
with the fourth guy on the depth chart being, John Bowie…
i would say the Raiders need to get a CB at least as much as they need a DT.
what happened to Justin Miller? is he still out there? thought he did some good things in Oakland coming in late during the season. he must want starters money or i’m guessing he would be signed by somebody by now…
March 15th, 2009 at 7:07 am
A rumor was floated earlier last week that J Miller has signed a 2 yr deal with the Raiders.
The source of the rumor has predicted previous signings prior to any official anouncement.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Al is still the man…..
March 15th, 2009 at 7:36 am
AL seems to be on top of his game this off season.
I’m very encouraged.
It looks as though He and Cable have a plan and are deliberately putting the pieces together.
The draft will be very interesting.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:54 am
This would be a good draft
1.Alex Mack-Center
2.George “Duke” Robinson-Gaurd
3.Terrance Taylor-DT
4.J.B.shhhhh-???
5.Rickey Jean Francois-DT
7.Tyler Roehl-FB
March 15th, 2009 at 7:58 am
This is good news. Barnes, Henderson, Pears, Green, not the greatest but a start. I’m hoping Barnes and Pears work out at both tackle positions, we draft Raji or a safety in the first and Max Unger in the 2nd. WR in the third and LB/DE in the 4th.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:08 am
So did cable tell al he will work his magic with barnes just like he did with kwame harris i’ll be exctied when we start winning. we still can’t stop the run!
March 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Torry Holt must be signed,..today.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Draft orakpo. fo sho.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:23 am
great job, lets draft a center Alex Mack,this kid is 6′4″ 315 a team leader and I believe the center we need.our running game would be off the chain.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I think this move steers us in the direction of DT in round one.
Sands should not be in the NFL. He can not even stay in shape. He is an embarrasment.
The concept of a center in round two is interesting.
A DE in round three would make a good day one.
Day two will most likely be best available athlete.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Trade that 7 pick for Boldin.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Does “off the chain” mean good?…please clarify.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Draft anyone but that Raji dude, hes a gauruntee bust.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:35 am
While alot of my fellow Raider fans have valid points,their are a few who really dont have a clue.Trade up,trade down,draft him,sign him.Before you make some of these STUPID comments,THINK.What is a players worth,what wll he cost us etc.Some of these comments border on some of you being delusiinal. Thank You .NOW STOP THESE INSANE REMARKS without credable facts.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Well Im off to church.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
My mock:
Curry if hes is there. If not trade down and grab, Mack, Brce and brinkly, with our first three picks then go wr (Rameses) from cal Poly and saftey (chung)
March 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Hey there it looks like Issac Bruce wants out from the Whiners. I think he would be the perfect pick up to show are young guys how it is done. He does not complain plays hard and runs good routes and he proably wants to play only a year or two more.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
1st round – defense
2nd round – defense
3rd round – defense.
The Raiders won’t get better until they stop the run on a consistent basis. This means strength in the middle of their defense: d-line, middle linebacker and safety.
I agree with a previous post. Stop the run. Lechler becomes a bigger weapon, and the offense has a shorter field.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Raiders lack toughness. Yes the D needs an upgrade in the middle of the field
March 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I llloooovvvveeee it! Hahahahaha
Cutler’s Denver area house up for sale
15 hours, 29 minutes ago
Buzz up!120 votes PrintDENVER (AP)—The Denver Broncos insist quarterback Jay Cutler isn’t on the market. His house, though, is another matter.
Cutler put his 7,516-square-foot, four-bedroom, seven-bath home in suburban Castle Pines up for sale for $2 million. A listing on real estate Web site REcolorado.com shows the agent as Fuller Sotheby’s International Realty.
Douglas County property records show Cutler paid $1.34 million for the house in August 2006.
Cutler still has a condo in downtown Denver along with his offseason home in Nashville, Tenn.
The Pro Bowl quarterback and new coach Josh McDaniels are in a dispute over attempts to trade him two weeks ago.
The sale was first reported by KMGH-TV and The Denver Post.
On Saturday, Cutler was a no-show at a fundraiser at Invesco Field, and team spokesman Patrick Smyth said the quarterback didn’t attend because he didn’t want to distract from the evening. The fundraiser was in honor of Broncos longtime trainer Steve Antonopulos and raised money to fight children’s’ diseases.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Al bout to reach if he dont trade down. Mack may be the pick or a DE
March 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Cutler hissy fit is too funny. Its Broncos time for losing season after losing season now! This pleases me
March 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Blue, despair and agony on end. When will Al Davis learn? Khalif Barnes is a bad deal…he gave up 7 1/2 sacks and committed 9 penalties last year, not to mention the Raiders gave up the right to draft a OT in the deal.
Losing has become a culture with the Raiders because they devalue talent on the “O” line.
I use to like Cable but he is the one that wanted Kwamee “Turnstile” Harris at LT and we all know how that worked out. Now he is the moving force behind bringing in Barnes when the Raiders could have had Andre Smith, a stud of a dominate LT that would have been a fixture for years.
The “O” line has to be dominant in the run and pass blocking becuse it keeps the offense out of 3rd and long, sets up the passing game as an option and keeps the defense off the field. It forces opposing teams to throw the ball more to play catch up rather than running the ball down the defenses throat.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
daft heyward-bey
March 15th, 2009 at 9:33 am
draft heyward-bey
March 15th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Defensive draft next month. Very obvious
March 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am
RaiderTW,
looks like the Commodore is setting sail. HaHaHa. Must be rough being a peevish multi-millionaire.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Raider TW if you liked the first part of the story then you will like part2
When news broke that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler is selling his Denver-area home, the “nothing to see here” crowd was quick to point out that Cutler owns other property in Denver, and that he has been wanting to sell the house in question for a while.
We wonder what they’ll be saying now that the house in which Cutler’s parents live is up for sale, too?
According to NBC 9 in Denver, the 4,100-square foot home has landed on the market, for a mere $835,000.
Even if Cutler’s decision to sell his own house was a coincidence, Cutler can’t blame cluelessness on this latest development.
Clearly, he wants out of Denver. And, clearly, he and his family are moving forward as if he’s going to get his way.
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March 15th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Andre messed up by himself. Al wasnt starting a rookie at LT as it is anyways.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Mad Road Dog,
Cable has some help by Michalczik this year. Things will work out. The entire Jag world fell apart last year (after that O-lineman got shot), not just Barnes. New season, new day.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
good to read that some of you like 4eva, Scott and Len understand the importance of C in the scheme of things.
Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Robbins, ????, MACK!
March 15th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Good morning Nation,
Al is the man, and the old man is learning new tricks. Gotta love it. Maybehe learned to trade down, and pick more value.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:02 am
sounds like Barnes definatly will be one of if not the highest motivated player we suit up next year.
but i still dont like our promise…maybe it is for the first day or something. its bad cause this is a unusual deep Tackle class
now if we sign one of the Bills big Centers i wouldnt mind a dominant, impact Guard at two…
March 15th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Cutler is a cry baby. Look at JR, when was told about Kiffin wanting him. Gave the Media a smile and said: that’s news to me. JR is a cool cat. I want that in a QB.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Road Dog
We have so many holes on the Oline and Dline that we are opting for some FA help on the oline. A one year deal is not a big risk. Cable is figuring we are better off with some experience at the OT spot so JR does not get exposed to too much risk.(The rataionale being the best rookie in the draft may not be much better than a guy like Barnes at least in year one).
I think we will draft a DT and DE on day one of the draft.
A center is a possibility in round two.
We are at least realizing our lines are the priority this year and we are not foolishly going after wide receivers and defensive backs.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Dont forget about Burgess too. He is in his last year too.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
M…hope you are right but I think a better senario would be to pick up Pace and draft Smith so the Raiders are in a can’t miss situation. I still think Henderson is more of a guard type and with pickup of Antoine Caldwell at center the Raiders would be set. Now they have 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th rounds to go defense.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Miss,St is looking good vs 1-a-c .Used 2B 10-A-C BUT KIFF JOINED THE VOLS
March 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
If we fix both lines this year through FA and the Draft, I think we can make the playoffs. JR threw 13TD and 8INTs last season, both are young RBs act more than 4 yards per carry, so if we can keep the O on the field longer, and help our run D, we can make the PO. IMO. Now I don’t think we go deep in the PO, but just get in, maybe 1 and out!
March 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Al Davis on the receivers:
I wanted to play the young players. All year long, I wanted to play the young players. In the last two games, Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. That was about the only time, that someone started to play those two guys regularly, where they could show what they could do where they could run and show their speed. Higgins had other opportunities, but it was great, if you take five touchdowns in two games, and even whittle it down to two touchdowns in 16 games apiece, we’ve got tw o guys who are catching eight touchdowns apiece. I think the youth of this team, if you really follow it and watch it, has really got a chance to be pretty good, and he believed in the youth and played them, and showed us what they could do those two young guys, for just as an example.
—-Al Davis
March 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Hopefully, after 40 years Al is beginning to realize that the game is won in the trenches, not with 40 times.
If you have a good O line and D line, you don’t need much else.
Plus, linemen last twice as long, so it’s like getting two players for the price of one.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Charlie…yes, any player is a gamble but as long as Al continues to focus on the lines the Raiders are moving in the right dorection.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
More draft clues:
NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi confirms that free agent offensive tackle Khalif Barnes has signed a one-year deal with the Oakland Raiders. According to Lombardi, the Raiders have also promised NOT TO CHOOSE AN OFFENSIVE TACKLE in April’s NFL Draft.
Barnes, 26, was drafted in the second round in 2005 by the Jaguars and has started 57 games in his four-year career. Barnes will compete for a starting job, as the Raiders cut veteran left tackle Kwame Harris last month.
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Andre Smith will not be the number 7 pick
March 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
yeah-baby
March 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Given Al’s views on the receivers and the promise not to draft a Tackle to Khalif Barnes, the #7 pick comes down to B.J Raji, Brian Orakpo or Aaron Curry. I put Curry last because there is no way he falls past Cleveland.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
oh,I promise,I promise
March 15th, 2009 at 10:25 am
If we make the playoffs we can do some damage, I don’t think we will go 1 and out. If we somehow make the playoffs, we will already have proven that we can do damage, look at the schedule. We will have to beat 4 or 5 superbowl favorites just to get in. Personally, I see us going 4-12 or 5-11 next year. The schedule doesn’t give us much of a chance. We are so far behind most of those teams that it’s not even funny. The sad thing is that when we complete our horrible season next year, it will reflect badly on Cable and he will probably be fired. This team has a lot of youthful talent, and I think they are definantly headed in the right direction, but we are screwed next season.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
S&B,
Cleveland has no legit receivers and only an aging Jamal Lewis at RB, why would they pick an LB? So that Robbo can work miracles?
March 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
S&B
I have to give you credit.
It looks like the Dline will be the priority in the draft. I have agreed with you that statistically our Dline was the worst unit on our team but I thought we could get a good OT in round one then focus on Dline rounds two and three.
Barnes allows us to focus on the Dline in round one.
Is Raji the guy?
March 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I think Trading down is our best option, but Al doesn’t do that. I’m not sure now if Raji and Orakpo are really worth the pick? Orakpo couldn’t stay healthy in college, and I like brace as much as Raji. There are rumors that the eagles are interested I’m trading up for one of the OTs. What do you guys think??
March 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Deathwing,
nothing favors but the bold. just gotta go for it and see what happens.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:32 am
My updated Raider picks to reflect recent developments]
1. B.J Raji, DT, Boston College – When u rank 31st against in a 4-3 the finger gets pointed at the DTs. Especially given lackluster play from Sands, Warren and also a lack of depth. Raji is a playmaker
2. Max Unger, C, Oregon – Center is the huge gap with Grove moving on. Unger is every bit as good as Mack and can be ready to go day 1. Plus he plays any position along the line.
3. Jasper Brinkley, MLB, S. Carolina – Big physical hitter that can run. Gives John Marshall versatiity in the defense. Can play either Brinkley or Morrison inside or at SLB. Great value here at 3 and gives competition for the SLB slot
4. Mitch King, DE, Iowa – Big 280 lb defensive end that can hold the point on the run game and provide depth
6. Anthony Hill, TE, NC State – Good blocking tight end with good hands. Makes a good 2nd TE
7. Safety or Guard for depth and competition
March 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Nice draft S&B. I agree 100%
March 15th, 2009 at 10:38 am
M Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
S&B,
Cleveland has no legit receivers and only an aging Jamal Lewis at RB, why would they pick an LB? So that Robbo can work miracles?
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Unless Braylon Edwards is put on the street they will wait for round 2 to get a receiver. Their defense was bad last year and they lack LBs. Curry is the best LB in the draft. They would draft him for the same reasons the Raiders would.
Like the Center position this year, there is no running back that grades out in the top 10. RBs are deep this year too.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am
yeeeee!
March 15th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I do agree about the schd, but we only have to win our division. I see SD as the only contender , and I think their time is done. Look at last year, do you really think that was all due to Merrimen not being there? They had their 4 yr window and couldn’t do it. LT and Jammal are getting older, and Norv is an OC and not a HC. Now if we can slow the run, and pass better, we can win our division. Two teams have new coaches, and new D scheme. I like our chances, but the scud is hard, so maybe a .500 this yr and PO next year.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Charlie Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
S&B
I have to give you credit.
It looks like the Dline will be the priority in the draft. I have agreed with you that statistically our Dline was the worst unit on our team but I thought we could get a good OT in round one then focus on Dline rounds two and three.
Barnes allows us to focus on the Dline in round one.
Is Raji the guy?
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Raji should be the guy unless Cincinnati screws it up for or Green Bay / Denver trades up to get Raji.
From what I’ve seen and read about Raji he is exactly what the Raiders need. The big thing he does is consistently take on double teams. That alone is worth a 1st round pick for the Raiders. If we can somehow get Howard and Morrison running free, with their speed, our defense starts looking really good. Also, Raji is a penetrator. Again, the Raiders make very few plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Finally, Raji has the athleticism to move up and down the line to make the tackle.
Sounds like a 1st round pick to me. For the Raiders its perfect:
Value: He is a top 10 rated pick / Plays both UT and NT
Need: DT position is the weakest on the defense
March 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
S&B
That’s a good draft, but 3rd for JB is high. I also like Clemons in the 3rd if we take Raji in 1st. I can’t wait for the draft.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
it sure is nice to see that the drama in the AFC west is not coming from Alameda.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Raider O Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I think Trading down is our best option, but Al doesn’t do that. I’m not sure now if Raji and Orakpo are really worth the pick? Orakpo couldn’t stay healthy in college, and I like brace as much as Raji. There are rumors that the eagles are interested I’m trading up for one of the OTs. What do you guys think??
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When you are 5-11 you take the best prospects you can get your hands on. Raji bring more to the table than any other DT in this draft. Orakpo is the best DE in the draft and can really pressure the passer. Both of those guys would be great picks. Although I would prefer Tyson Jackson at DE because I think Burgess/SCott are our pass rushing DEs. Especially if Scott gained the 15 lbs of muscle someone posted here before.
The Eagles are going to stay pat where they are. They will either trade their #1 and #3 for Boldin or use the two #1s to get a tackle and a running back. They lost Buckhalter to the Broncos and need to give Westbrook some help.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:50 am
S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:44 am
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i like your new draft order…
i would be very happy with that…
March 15th, 2009 at 10:52 am
S&B
If we draft Raji in the 1st, IMO we shoud draft
Unger in the 2nd
Clemons in the 3rd
JB, or the best DE available in the 4th.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am
We only have 3 Ss on the roster, and all 3 seem best suited for FS.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Raider O Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
S&B
That’s a good draft, but 3rd for JB is high. I also like Clemons in the 3rd if we take Raji in 1st. I can’t wait for the draft.
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I’ve heard that 3 is high for Brinkley. But he did really well at the draft and some have him going as high as 2. I think if he’s there at 3 the Raiders reach a little and get him. Having Morrison, Howard, Brinkley and Brown is a good linebacking corps. Plus a little depth and competition is good too.
Actually the Raiders could give a very legit 3-4 look at times with those backers.
I know of the hole at safety. However, I have a personal ban on drafting defensive backs before the 5th round. All those picks at DB should have NO holes. Time for Huff and Branch to step up.
Bring in a vet at safety in case one of these two don’t pan out. You still have Eugene, although unspectacular as a stop gap
March 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am
S&B
I cane argue with that logic, and the only FA Ss I would like are RFA D Landry ( he was a 6th round pick), and Chris Mc if he is willing to play FS.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Jay Cutler finally met face-to-face with Josh McDaniels over the weekend, but nothing was resolved, leading to doubt that the Denver Broncos quarterback will show up for the new coach’s first team meeting Monday.
Team spokesman Patrick Smyth told The Associated Press on Sunday that the coach and quarterback, involved in a simmering feud over trade talks, met Saturday at the Broncos’ training facility and both sides agreed to regroup and continue conversations.
Denver station KCNC-TV reported that the meeting didn’t go well, and The Denver Post reported that words were exchanged between Cutler and McDaniels.
The Broncos insist they’re not going to trade Cutler.
love when the rivals fight..
March 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Cane = can’t. Sorry, but I can’t type on this Itouch. I have big fingers.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am
What up smellas?
I hate to see you guys using common sense logic and trying to apply it to The Al Davis Draft Strategy logic. This is where many a draft day dream have been crushed!!
Good luck with that DT in the first logic. We’ve been screaming that for years and have gotten, well, crushed…..and then ran over! Cheers.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Some want a BJ
Some want something known as an Orakpo
Some want an arbor of shellfish
Some want a sort of Maualuga
Some want a spicy dish
Some want a diner named Andre
Some want to give out and move to a new place
Some want a duck
Some want a bear
Center is all I have hope for.
Raider On.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I love it too.
If I was Cutler ( a PB QB ), I would demand a trade. How dare the new unproven coach?? lol
March 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Blackdeath29,
It is great watching the Broncos meltdown like they are.
I will say this. Look at how JaMarcus Russell handled all the adversity he’s faced. The holdout, the coaching changes etc…Never complained and maintained an balanced attitude.
Cutler is not behaving like a leader…although I love it! Broncos are crazy! How do you dis a franchise QB like Cutler. and he is that good.
If Cutler goes, the Broncos, who aren’ that good anyway, are entering 3-13 territory. Plus a new offense that might not suit Cutler’s skillset. LOL
Raiders are the #2 team in the division behind the Bolts. And the Raiders are not that far behind.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Raider O Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am
S&B
I cane argue with that logic, and the only FA Ss I would like are RFA D Landry ( he was a 6th round pick), and Chris Mc if he is willing to play FS.
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Raiders definitely need to bring a solid veteran at Safety. No doubt about it. Maybe they will wait until after their OTA or Draft to bring someone in.
Davis might just wait a little bit to get the best deal.
He’s done a decent job so far
March 15th, 2009 at 11:19 am
davis drafted mcglocktin,russell,it`s time to draft raji.besides it screws denver fron running a 3-4 effectively.ron brace will go quickly in the second round.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
348 Who did Al promise not to take a takle too.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Mack in the second mack in the first or Mack at 7 just get Mack!!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Multiple Raiders officials are saying that Michael Bush is no longer on the trading block.
Bush is expected to be part of the Raiders’ “three-helmeted rushing attack” next season, so it looks like the fullback experiment has been scrapped for good. We expect Bush to have a larger role in the Oakland backfield in 2009.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
March 15th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Great Signing – the one year deal lets us kick his tires for a year, he is going to love working for Cable, and if we can improve to 7+ wins (we have an insanley tough schedule this year), we probably won’t have to franchise Barnes if he plays well, which he should because he’s playing for his next contract – I actually see them kicking Barnes over to right tackle, not Henderson – I don’t see why you move Henderson to RT when he played so well last year at LT in terms of pass blocking and the weakness in his game is run blocking which needs to be the strength of the RT who plays on the strong side vs. bigger SLB’s, SS’s, and of course Strong Side DE’s (we are the only team in the league that features a 6-2 255 pound strong side DE). Either way we now have 4 decent to good OT’s instead of one (Henderson) plus a backup (Green) and a bunch of practice squad players providing “depth”. It will be interesting to see if McQuistan beats out Green or Pears for the 4th OT position – if not, that would be a good sign for us because I thought McQ did a decent job when he had to fill in so if he gets beat out we have a good competition going.
Now that we can pass on a 1st round offensive tackle, the pick is either Crabtree or Maclin (I’m not ruling out Davis reaching for Heyward-Bey either since he’s now a legitimate 1st round talent), Raji, or possibly Curry if he drops.
Everyone that wants a wide reciever at #7 needs to remember we’re switching schemes in the pass game and running a vertical system based on play action and the running game – think about what Kansas City did with Trent Green, Tony Gonzales, and Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson – you want to know who their recievers were when they were first in the league in scoring? Johhnie Morton and Eddie Kinnison (total scrubs)!
My point is basically this – we don’t need great recievers to run this system – and we probably don’t want to tie 1st round money into one anyway – first, McFadden is essentially going to be come a WR on third downs either out of the slot or flexed out wide or out of the backfield, but with Bush having great hands and run after the catch ability too, we’re probably going to want both of them on the field – Jerry always cites JLH’s 22 catches and Chaz’s 16 catch season as a reason to draft a WR, but as we all know our offense didn’t evolve until the last three weeks of the season when Cable started airing it out during the blowout we suffered vs. the Patriots – everyone on the team cites the second half of that game as the turning point of the season where they knew they could play with the better teams – so the improvement JLH and Schilens demonstrated over the last couple of weeks, along with Cable calling a more vetical game plan and Henderson stepping up as a pass blocker is what we need to focus on -
First, if you extrapolate the the stats JLH and and Chaz put up over the last two weeks you get: JLH: 62 Catches 968 yards 16 td and Chaz: 48 Catches 784 yards 16 td. No, I’m not retarded and I don’t think they will each score 16 td’s a piece over the course of a full season, but the yardage and catches are a good indicator and their ability to score is what Davis was touting in the press conference. JLH is entering his third year, typically the breakout year for WR’s, and Chaz has a year under his belt and his measurables (6-4, 220, 4.38 40 yard dash, 41 inch vertical, etc.) are similar to Calvin Johnson’s so he has the ability – he also showed he can catch in traffic and his route running improved dramatically.
We have enough young weapons with first round talent and playmaking ability – Maclin’s relatively slow 40 time, height, weight, and lack of route running experience basically makes him the same as JLH was coming out of college – JLH has shown he can take it to the house and I don’t think we need another WR like him – Crabtree is slow from what I’ve seen on his youtube highlight films, and he is best suited for a west coast system where he can use his tackle breaking ability, hands, and body control skills – I’d pass on him as well. We could use a veteran WR that can push Chaz or beat him out until he gets another year under his belt, but other than that, I’d say let the young guys that are going to be with JR for a long time develop and build that chemistry in a system that is very friendly to WR’s.
Which brings me back to Raji – there are only two DT’s in this draft that can play NT in the NFL – Raji and his teamate Brace – Raji is a first round talent and Brace is a second round talent – if we don’t take Raji, it is entirely possible that Brace is snatched up in round 1 or a team trades up to get him with one of the very first picks in the second round – to guard against that, we would have to trade up to get him, which is a waste of a pick when we could have got the better player (Raji) with our first round pick where the value matches the talent – if Raji isn’t there, then I hope we trade down to acquire the extra pics we’ll need to grab brace or draft Curry if he’s sitting there and hope Brace is there in the second or make a trade for NT – I can’t believe we didn’t sign a decent NT – Grady Jackson was ripe for the taking and at least would have given us some more flexibility in the Draft – maybe Terdell Sands is the new Sam Williams – simply put, if we can’t stop the run we can’t win, and we haven’t acquired a single new defender yet, much less a defensive lineman.
Here’s my draft, first person listed is the person I want in each round:
1. BJ Raji, NT Boston College or Arron Curry, LB Wake Forest (if we get curry then my round 2 pick is ron brace, NT, BC)
2. James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State or Jasper Brinkley, LB South Carolina (I almost prefer Brinkley except for some medical issues)
3. Johnatan Luigs, C, Arkansas or Max Unger, C/G Oregon
Luigs actually won the Rimmington Trophy as the best center in the NCAA in 2007 and was a finalist in 2006 and 2008 and is a good ZBS fit (so are mack and unger though) – he’s got more bulk to him though than either mack or unger which should help our inside run game. He’s a steal at this point imo but it’s where he is ranked.
4. Brian Robiskie, WR Ohio State or Kevin Ellison, SS USC – I don’t think Robiskie will drop this far but you never know – I think he could thrive in a vertical system and he is the most polished reciever in the draft – we just have other needs – Ellison is bad dude in the mold of Troy Palamalu and Roy Williams. It’s about where he’s ranked, about 10 picks lower – he might still be there.
5. Pat White, QB/WR, West Virginia or best available – Walter has an attitude problem and he never did a thing on the field with the exception of a preseason game vs. the 49ers in his rookie year. His contract is also up afte this season – Pat white is small and has a below average arm, but he could develop into a good backup and he could run some wildcat plays and play some WR as well – good versatility in addition to what could develop into a competent back-up QB or good slot WR.
I’ll need more time to look at the rest of the prospects, but a bigger DE to replace Burgess, a MLB to back up Morrison, another FS, WR, or OL, would all be good. We might also take a flyer on a QB like Pat White that We still have room Rhett Bomar who has all the phyiscal skills but got himself kicked out of Oklahoma.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Al Davis is the reason the economy is in trouble. He is also the reason Lane Kiffin is having problems. I’d suck off Lane though.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Yep if old Al keeps this up I will buy an Al Davis #1 jersey and wear it all season long. I promis!
March 15th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Oher at 11_15 then Mack around 25, then NT then SOLB
March 15th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Just call me the Parrot.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
M is a poser. Dirty is Dirty
March 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Raji is an under tackle! Quick penetrating DTs are not NTs. Al will never take a short DT in the first. Stop it. Shows you dont pay attention.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Brein is a wanna be tuff guy
March 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
STOP IT EVERYONE!!!! Al will draft draft a CB.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Yes! JLH and Schilens are suited for vertical O. Craptree isnt needed for this offense
March 15th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Raji is not worth the overall number 7. Laurinaitis will be gone early in the 2nd, but Luigs in the 3rd might be an excellent choice. Robiskie will be long gone by the 4th, but Ellison will probably be there.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
if 382 is right, and we are changing offenses’.
then A.D and Cable are A-holes…
look what changing systems left and right did for S.F & A. Smith.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Raji is an under tackle! Quick penetrating DTs are not NTs. Al will never take a short DT in the first. Stop it. Shows you dont pay attention.
raji is more than just a ut.he can play nt and de in the 3-4 as well nt in the 4-3
March 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
For everyone that is saying offensive line, you fools are forgetting that we signed James AMrten off the Cowgirls practice squad mid season as a tackle prospect.
Read up on him, he seems like the real deal. As for the draft we have to go defense line , Center with the 2nd round and Offensive line with the 3rd round….
March 15th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Raji plays the same position as Kelly…
1 overrated DT is more than enough..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Mack
Brace
Brinkley
March 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Great…we signed Kwame Harris 2.0.
big fukin deal
March 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Iceman, what that means is they have decided offensive line is the major weak point of the team and they are doing everything they can to fix it. Marten is a good player, and the Cowboys did not want to part with him, but that does not mean he is our starting RT. We are loading ourselves up with offensive linemen, mainly off the scrap heap. If we draft a dynamite LT at 7th, the competition is going to be very tight and some good players will most likely emerge.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Great…we signed Kwame Harris 2.0.
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Can’t really disagree with this statement. It’s not like we got Anthony Munoz 2.0
March 15th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
if A.D won’t take Crabtree then just trade the pic…
we could take a less valued position later in the round, and get a better lineman like Mack..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Barnes is a racist Harris 2.0
March 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Barnes will compete 4 RT
March 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Pace is still unemployed!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Barnes was told he’d compete for LT.
i hope Henderson wins the job..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Barnes’ one year contract shows that tackle is still an option at #7. Al is obviously not comfortable with Barnes or Harris.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
harris is gone..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Barnes cant handle LT and Mario knows this.If any thing Barnes back’s up Mario
March 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
408
March 15th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
A 26 yr old Barnes on a 1yr 1.5 mil deal is an acceptable roll of the dice.
If He plays well, mabey he get’s paid in the following year.
It’s a pretty good risk /reward arangement.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Barnes’ one year contract shows that tackle is still an option at #7. Al is obviously not comfortable with Barnes or Harris.
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that is exactly right. And neither is Cable.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
i dont see a top 5 lineman in the draft….
and three Ts & a DT will be gone before we pic…
take Crabtree or trade down for better value…
March 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Defense End then Center in the draft….
March 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Sorry…meant Henderson…not Harris in post 406
March 15th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
and Barnes will start, unless we pop for Pace..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Pace is an injury waiting to happen…and too much money….
Scoff I am with ya but thats kinda like throwing sh*t against the wall and seeing what sticks…
Mario should stay at LT and BArnes should only get a shot at RT or RG
March 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Dakota, S&B is quoting Lombardi as saying Al made a promise to Barnes that we would not go OT in the draft.
I confirmed the quote on National FootballPost.
Ironicly, Lombardi had the Raiders drafting Andre Smith with the #7 in his previoius day’s mock draft.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
there are no DEs in the top 7, only hybrids..
we wont fix it all this year so take the best player on the board.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
RaiderLen, you are more of a Raiders’ insider than Mike Lombardi is at this point.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Andre Smiths floppy tits wont look good in Silver & Black
March 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I am really glad how this offseason is starting to take shape,
Now if we can only hit it on the head in the draft we will be on our way back to greatness…
Oh yeah JR needs to get more dedicated and put in more time and lose about 10-15 more LBS, plus get rid of all that SFS bling bling he wears at the post game, thats F*cking nuts
March 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Dakota, lol
I’m just passing along what I’ved read.
So yes, consider the source.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Art Shell’s floppy tits were glorious in silver and black!
March 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
How about MAurice Evans from PSU as a defensive end?
March 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
…in his playing days…
March 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Gotta hit the gym…see ya.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Pace might come cheap for silver toung A.D
March 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
If Pace were to come cheap,then why not.
Let all these fellas fight it out in camp.
Iron sharpens iron.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
I understand that people want who they want in the draft, but C and DE are clearly the #1 needs.
DE – We cut our starter Kalimba Edwards, and the other starter is injury waiting to happen to say the least. We need a starter out of this draft, not a prospect.
C – John Wade and Chris Morris! We need a starter out of this draft, not a prospect.
C and DE have to be the first two picks. And we might have to give up something to trade back up into the back end of the first round to ensure we get one of the top 3 C. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Az are likely to go C in rd 1, and there’s no guarantee one of the 6 or so teams ahead of us in rd 2 won’t take a C. We simply can not afford to miss out on Mack, Wood, or Unger.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Barnes is bigoted not racist! Learn the difference
March 15th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I love it when a plan comes together….
March 15th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I promise=smoke screen,imo
March 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
# S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
More draft clues:
NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi confirms that free agent offensive tackle Khalif Barnes has signed a one-year deal with the Oakland Raiders. According to Lombardi, the Raiders have also promised NOT TO CHOOSE AN OFFENSIVE TACKLE in April’s NFL Draft.
Barnes, 26, was drafted in the second round in 2005 by the Jaguars and has started 57 games in his four-year career. Barnes will compete for a starting job, as the Raiders cut veteran left tackle Kwame Harris last month.
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Andre Smith will not be the number 7 pick
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This makes no sense. Why would the Raiders be held hostage by a guy on a one year contract???? What if, and this is more probable than not, Barnes sucks ASS????? Well, we just let 4 of the top LT prospects in a generation just walk thru the park. And what is Khalif Barnes somehow morphs into the 2nd coming of Anthony Munoz?? Well, he is no longer under contract, and you would have to franchise him and pay him the equivalent of the top 5 LT’s in the league. In case you guys don’t realize this, LT’s make more than QB’s in some instances. This doesn’t make sense.
So, what makes sense?? Lombardi reaching and pulling stuff out of his ass to try to remain relevant?????…..Bingo.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I am not racist I hate everyone equally….
March 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Raji isnt a 4/3 NT to Al style
March 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
2 Cs wont go in the first..
and most hybrids don’t work out… its too much risk at #7.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Barnes, Henderson, Pears, Green, and McQuistan are on our roster at OT. We can pretty much pencil in Green and McQuistan as backups, leaving Pears, Henderson, and Barnes to compete for starting jobs. We are not adding another prospect at 7. When Barnes’ contract is up, and there is an subsequent open spot, then maybe.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I am not racist I hate everyone equally….
I think Al had his fingers crossed when he told that line to BArnes…no way he would say something like that
March 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
#433 A Smith and his balony tits is NOT one of the best LT prospects in a generation…. you are nuts…
he’s not even the best of this class..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
J Hill
What about MArten…sheesh….ever hear of him? or Wilson who went on IR last year?
March 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
A.D lied to Barnes & Lombardi, he will do watever he wants.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
JHill,add Mark Wilson 2 da list =)
March 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Raji wont ever be selected by Al
March 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I understand everyones passion but cmon, lets keep a level head and perspective here…
March 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
and yep ICEMAN Martin2 =)
March 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
and who’s that guy from Arkansas???
March 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Raji is a joke as an nfl nose tackle
March 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Jhill who does Al reach for?
March 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
AS for Wilson and Marten, don’t know how long they are going to be around with us picking up Pears and Barnes. I’d suspect that if they had anything to offer, we wouldn’t have picked up 2 new guys. But regardless, it adds to the point that we won’t go OT at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
trade down for more pix… or take Crabtree and finish off the O.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Robert Felton
March 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
are we gonna ad a WR ever??
March 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
4eva, Johnathan Luigs is his name
March 15th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
If Barnes were to morph into Anthony Munoz I’d have no problem paying him as 1 of the top 5 Tackles.
This, of course is not likely to happen.
Either the guy performs at a level that improves the overall talent on the O line, or he gets cut loose.
Mabey before the regular season ever begins.
The onus is clearly on HIM to perform.
I don’t see this as a hostage situation at all.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Jhill who does Al reach for?
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If it’s a reach, then I’d say he’d reach for a position instead of a player. If there is a “surprise” then I’d say/hope it is (1) a trade down, or (2) drafting C at 7.
Who could really be mad at Mack at 7 and Brace/Hood/Moala in the 2nd. Please tell me how coming away with Mack and Brace does not INSTANTLY improve the squad?
March 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
At least Barnes is cheap… of course he sucks..but..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Craptree sux for the vertical O
March 15th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
thankx Brien,but I was thinking of who we signed last year from Dmacs school.But yeah J.Lugis is current Arkansas C =)
March 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Jhill, Mack or DE is what I see if we dont trade down
March 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Jhill who does Al reach for?
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If it’s a reach, then I’d say he’d reach for a position instead of a player. If there is a “surprise” then I’d say/hope it is (1) a trade down, or (2) drafting C at 7.
Who could really be mad at Mack at 7 and Brace/Hood/Moala in the 2nd. Please tell me how coming away with Mack and Brace does not INSTANTLY improve the squad?
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Mack
Brace
Brinkley
I’d prefer we trade down, get an extra pick, and do it like this.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
We do not need a pro bowl LT. We just need a decent LT, who won’t jump offsides. We just need for Barnes or Henderson to play solid at their positions. Barnes could get a mid level deal, and all will be fine. Frickin Barry Sims was our starting LT when we got to the SB, need I remind you. Jamarcus Russell and McFadden are making the big bucks. They shouldn’t need pro bowlers blocking for them.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Alright sportsfans, you tell me which of the D-lineman available at the top of the draft is worth the 8 or 10 million dollars per year they are gonna sign for. Not a single one. There is no Mario Williams or Bruce Smith waiting there at DE, nor a Haynesworth at DT. If Raji or Orakpo is the best anyone can come up with then by all means draft somebody else at another position in slot #7.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Don’t worry B, Crabtree won’t be there when we pick.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Mack at #7 is like buying $30 pizza at a steak shop.
pizza is good, but your at a steak shop!
we can get the pizza cheaper anywhere else!
We can trade the # 7 pic for the best center in tr league!!! and still ask for an extra pic..
March 15th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Barnes, Henderson, Pears, Green, and McQuistan are on our roster at OT.
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So let’s evaluate this: Barnes=bust. Pears=backup Denver gave up on Henderson, jury is still out, but if the organization was completely sold on him, it’s doubtful they would be signing every tackle prospect available. Green=backup/cut McQuistan=possible RT prospect coming off majory injury.
What I am seeing here is a boatload of backups and castoffs, not a solid starter here. That’s what #7 is for.
March 15th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
this years Ts aren’t that great… sorry..i agree with 461
March 15th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
The DEs that Al will want are Okrapko or Johnson. I doubt Curry falls and Rey may be too high.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
We do not need a pro bowl LT. We just need a decent LT, who won’t jump offsides.
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Notice how the glory years of the Raiders coincided with us having a HOF Left Tackle. Once Shell and Upshaw were gone, and replaced with castoffs, so were our Championship aspirations.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
so we trade down…
or, trade for Boldin..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
if there was a grate LT, let alone 3 of them he would go #1.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
this years Ts aren’t that great… sorry..i agree with 461
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That’s fine, but you are contradicting 80% of NFL GM’s and 90% of the scouts that get paid to do this professionally.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Jhill yea Craptree wont. If he is we will let him go to Jax
March 15th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Mack at #7 is like buying $30 pizza at a steak shop.
pizza is good, but your at a steak shop!
we can get the pizza cheaper anywhere else!
We can trade the # 7 pic for the best center in tr league!!! and still ask for an extra pic..
No we cant
March 15th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Mack at #7 is like buying $30 pizza at a steak shop.
pizza is good, but your at a steak shop!
we can get the pizza cheaper anywhere else!
We can trade the # 7 pic for the best center in tr league!!! and still ask for an extra pic..
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True. Mack at #7 would be considered a reach, and overpriced.
The best scenerio is a trade down, get an extra pick, and then land Mack.
I want continuity at the center position with an elite talent.
Mack has the goods to be that guy.
Guarantee if the Raiders were to take Mack at #7, after his 1st pro bowl appearence, nobody will be stressed as to when he was drafted or how much He’s being paid.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
fix the line thru free agency… add the starpower playmakers in the 1st rd of the draft..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
if there was a grate LT, let alone 3 of them he would go #1.
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3 of the top 8 picks are slated to be LT’s. That seems pretty damn solid to me. And ST. Louis really wanted Jake Long last year, but Parcells grabbed him.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Mack at 15- 30… great, at #7 its a waste.. we could ask for change..
whos the best C in the league??
March 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I only like J Smith and Monroe at LT. I am unsure about A Smith and Oher.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
3 Ts because they play T… they were ranked much lower during the season..
Ts always climb in the draft cause of their position..
Centers do not..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
There is no guy at 7 worth it unless its Curry. No impact guys at all.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
478 is right… and we pic #7 they will be gone..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
if Crabtree falls he’s worth it.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
We drafted Jano in the first why not draft Mack? Im with that! Why not?
March 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Crabtree will make JRuss everybody’s hero..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Craptree dont fit in our scheme!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Jerry,
A coach being on the same page with Al Davis is rarely good news. Historically (especially in recent history), it’s been the coaches who’ve battled Al that produce wins. I don’t see how Cable and Al agreeing on a veteran lineman really changes anything. Sounds like the village idiots here (i.e., Brien, Oakglenn, BlackholePriest, FloridaPete, and the various aliases they troll under…) are starting to get under your skin, and you’re appeasing them. Good luck with that, Jerry. Soon as something goes wrong with the team (probably within a week or so…), and you dare bring it up on your blog, they’re going to kill the messenger again and blame you for the Raiders problems. Don’t take my word for it, Jerry. You have access to your own archives. Happy Sunday, everyone.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
You guys, the draft is really inexact science. Rarely Among the top 4 prospects will they go, 1,2,3,4 in the pros. In other words, the 4th player taken at a position may very well end up being the best pro player. It happens at every position. Look at the 83 QB draft. Elway went lst, and he was arguably the best, Marino was the 5th Q taken. Behind Todd Blackledge. So, bottom line is you could take the 3rd or 4th LT and STILL get the best pro player. Oher, might end up being the best pro.
Who are you going to trade down with?? Philly?? They are an older team that is in PERFECT position right now to rebuild. Detroit?? They need their pix worse than we do. Best case scenario is stay put, grab a LT and groom him into a pro bowler.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Mack at 15- 30… great, at #7 its a waste.. we could ask for change..
whos the best C in the league??
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Guarantee if the Raiders were to take Mack at #7, after his 1st pro bowl appearence, nobody will be stressed as to when he was drafted or how much He’s being paid.
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And there it is …
I already said that trading down is the preferred option, but that takes another team to tango. If we’re stuck at 7 with Crabtree, Orakpo, Curry, Jason Smith, and Monroe all off the board, then there is no player left at 7 that will help us more that the top C in the draft. I don’t give a glam slam flam about where the guy is drafted.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
we could have traded Jano’s pic for the best kicker in the league + a 2nd or 3rd rnd pic. worst pic ever…
EVER!!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
MR i never trolled like you have!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Barnes told ESPN that he is intent upon rewarding Raiders managing general partner Al Davis for his commitment.
“This is a great opportunity and place for me to start fresh,” Barnes said. “I’m excited to be part of helping this franchise get back on top and I will have a shot to be the starter at left tackle and that’s all I can ask for.
“I have a lot to prove and I’m betting on myself by agreeing to a one-year contract. Mr. Davis has a track record of taking care of his own guys, and he promised me the same, if I take care of my business on and off the field.”
The difference I see so far between Barnes and Kwame Harris is their attitude when they were traded to the Raiders.
Barnes seems confident, eager and ready to prove himself and show what he’s worth. Harris seemed timid, unconfident, and unsure of himself. It seemed as if Cable believed in Harris more than Harris believed in himself.
It’s too early to determine if Khalif Barnes performance on the field will be better than Harris, but his early attitude coupled with the tutelage of his coaches looks more promising than Harris.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Brien,
posts 480 and 483. Bingo!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Center is just not that important… the problrs are found in any round..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
# Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
There is no guy at 7 worth it unless its Curry. No impact guys at all.
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What Brien is saying is exactly right. This happens in every draft that 1-5 has a certain talent level, 6-10 not quite, 11-20 more falloff, 20-40 more falloff. The interesting point of this draft is it can so SOOO many ways depending on what Detroit and KC do. We could end up with Curry, and believe me, I would love to have him.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Jano is cool
March 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
JHill,
you understand.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Oak,
It’s just that it doesn’t seem like Cable and Al agree with your OT analysis. The same way they disagreed with all of us on Harris and Green last year. They just see something that maybe we don’t.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Clearly, gentleman, it was my hardhitting expose yesterday that convinced Al Davis to settle for Barnes rather than take a chance on Andre Smith in the draft…
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Florida Pete Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
This just in !!!!
Before PFT, before CFT, before KFSR…
Andre Smith cleared to play by his gynecologist…
His poor pro day was mostly my fault said the doctor…
I told him losing too much weight after giving birth was not a good idea…
But I am certain he can perform well at the pro level…
(football, that is)…
March 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Oakglenn is the king. Im unsure about Andre Smith tho but my noble king says he is great and Im loyal
March 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Jano is worthless… we had Nedney who kicked a game winner against K.C.. our first win against them in forevr.. then we cut him for mr. wide left…
Nedney was and is still more acurate than potato Jano..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
The difference I see so far between Barnes and Kwame Harris is their attitude when they were traded to the Raiders.
Barnes seems confident, eager and ready to prove himself and show what he’s worth. Harris seemed timid, unconfident, and unsure of himself. It seemed as if Cable believed in Harris more than Harris believed in himself.
It’s too early to determine if Khalif Barnes performance on the field will be better than Harris, but his early attitude coupled with the tutelage of his coaches looks more promising than Harris.
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This is the truth.
Cable said Harris has issues with confidence.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
# JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Oak,
It’s just that it doesn’t seem like Cable and Al agree with your OT analysis. The same way they disagreed with all of us on Harris and Green last year. They just see something that maybe we don’t.
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Jhill, say this again, I don’t quite follow you here.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Florida Pete!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Center is not that important? On planet football Center is dead-on essential to make all of the line calls, handle the snap and engage the beasts of the pit. Perhaps on other planets Center is of no positional importance.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Al likes Henderson. The signing of Barnes displayed that
March 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Harris had issues with blocking, holding, standing still, & not sucking Dikk in general..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
who was the last Center taken in the top ten??
March 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
# Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Oakglenn is the king. Im unsure about Andre Smith tho but my noble king says he is great and Im loyal
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LOL. Right back at ya!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
M Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Center is not that important? On planet football Center is dead-on essential to make all of the line calls, handle the snap and engage the beasts of the pit. Perhaps on other planets Center is of no positional importance.
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Yes,Yes,and Yes.
Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Robbins, ….long pause…Mack
March 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Jano was a solid pick. He was worth the pick
March 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
most competent guards can be moved to center in a pinch..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Jano was not worth the pic…. hes not an allstar… he’s sloppy & inacurate..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
So let’s evaluate this: Barnes=bust. Pears=backup Denver gave up on Henderson, jury is still out, but if the organization was completely sold on him, it’s doubtful they would be signing every tackle prospect available. Green=backup/cut McQuistan=possible RT prospect coming off majory injury.
What I am seeing here is a boatload of backups and castoffs, not a solid starter here. That’s what #7 is for.
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Sorry Oak, I forgot to attach this to the earlier comment. I just don’t see OT at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Mack is a great pick. Im on board Al. Makes us better in 09
March 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
who was the last Center taken in the top ten??
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AL likes to be the 1st one on the block to do something.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
were Otto, Mosebar, or koo koo bird Robbins top 10 pics?
March 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
someone here said earlier that the center was not important…
well… let me say this about that !!!
without a center, all you would have is 10 guys standing around … collecting delay of game penalties all day…
so, let’s not hear any more talk of centers not being important…
i think i’ve proved my pooint !!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
trade down or take Crabtree..
we will regret not having a passing game for the 4th year in a row…
March 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
every posish is important..
but not all belong in the top 10..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
who was the last Center taken in the top ten??
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Because no one has ever done it before means we shouldn’t do it? If we can’t trade back up to the back of the first round, we might not have a choice. I wish it were as simple as converting McQuistan to C.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
id rather have a good T than a Kicker or a Center…
QB is so important that we were right to pass on super talent Calvin J.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
some positions carry more value…
and with 3 top Cs we can wait till rd 2.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Tom Cable runs a ZBS that he is confident in. His OL Big Board is different than the NFL consensus. That’s the way it is. Also, they don’t like Andre Smith or Michael Oher…Otherwise they wouldn’t have made this move.
As for Center at #7? Centers are never rated in the top 10. In fact no interior lineman are. They are late 1st and 2nd round prospects. Taking a Center 15 picks higher than where he would go in the draft is incredibly stupid. And referencing a bad decision to draft Janikowski is no justification for making another bad decision.
There are three elite Centers in this draft (Unger, Mack, Wood) and another good prospect (Jonathan Luigis) so reaching 15 spots to take a center is ridiculous. Mack is even or slightly better than Mack/Wood.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
whenever A.D throws away draft value and pics guys way too early we suffer…. big time..
top teams make the most out of their drafts..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
thank u 523
March 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
trade down or take Crabtree..
we will regret not having a passing game for the 4th year in a row…
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It seems to me that the passing game was pretty good the last few games of the year.
I don’t believe it was conincidental either.
JLH, CHAZ, Miller. developing young talents.
A good run game, and some time to throw.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
you could probably move most offensive guards to Nose Tackle, in a pinch. Doesn’t mean they’d be any good at it.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Trevor Scott, DT, Oakland Raiders
The Oakland Raiders, a team that has made more than its share of poor personnel choices in recent years, might have unearthed a gem in Trevor Scott. He looks like the real deal.
Expect the sixth-round pick in the 2008 draft to have a major role in Oakland in 2009. Scott is one of the most intriguing young pass-rushers in the NFL.
Through 14 games, Scott, a Buffalo product, had five sacks. That was only four fewer than the entire Kansas City defense had at that point in the season.
Scott was a surprise to make the Oakland roster, and his play during the season has been even more unexpected. He is a very active player who has a great burst. He consistently puts pressure on opposing quarterbacks.
At 6-foot-5, 255 pounds, Scott has a classic pass-rusher’s build. While he might be a situational player now, Scott has the look of a player who could develop into a Pro Bowl pass-rusher and become one of the league’s most dynamic sack artists into the next decade
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=predictions09/nfl
March 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
m
mack is not even the best center on most boards…unger is
nobody ever wastes pics on Cs in the top ten wakey wakey!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
thank u 528
March 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
M Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
you could probably move most offensive guards to Nose Tackle, in a pinch. Doesn’t mean they’d be any good at it.
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or you could move the kicker to Nose Tackle…
about the same result…
but… if you would put our punter in there at Nose Tackle…
well…
it would be like knowing when the big crash is going to happen at the Indy 500 !!!
pop the fuqqing popcorn ’cause it’s gonna be spectacular !!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
our biggest need is at DT & WR…. since all the money is spent on our DTs already….WR WR WR Crabtree..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
We already have the highest paid CB and the highest paid P in NFL history, I say go for the trifecta and make Mack the highest paid C in history as well.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Al, you are the man, and Barnes has a good attitude about the 1yr deal. Haveing him compete with Mario at LT can only help the 2 players, but more importantly JR. I think Mario wins the Job, and Barnes goes to the PB as a RT, with Gallery at LG next to him in Miami.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
It’s funny because it’s true.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
man , fukk it . draft all o – line , d- line and linebackers !! no recievers . damnit!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
man… Jeff Saterday gets mentioned once and the world goes Center crazy!!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Florida Pete,
I like it. SeaBass at NT. Hey Lou Groza did something similar and ended up in the Hall of Fame.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
i beleive the best draft would be 2 take the ole mi9ss tackle at 7 . then all defense with rest of pics. // change our image . sign tank johnson and plaxico burress.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Unger isnt better than Mack. Lacks strength
March 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
fat Seabass is a nt. can’t even run strait..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
isnt priya rai the sexiest porn star out there ?/
March 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
539 thats the draft stategy that got us 6 years of double diget losses…
draft for value… at #7 there are no linemen…
March 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
oh my bad , wrong blog . uhhhh – yeah the raiders need to run screens this year . yeah
March 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
I am reposting this again for those who missed Al’s comments about our young receivers. Also consider Javon was re-signed AND Shields is coming back (6′0 195 4′38 40)
Al Davis on the receivers:
I wanted to play the young players. All year long, I wanted to play the young players. In the last two games, Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. Higgins and Schilens accounted for five touchdowns. That was about the only time, that someone started to play those two guys regularly, where they could show what they could do where they could run and show their speed. Higgins had other opportunities, but it was great, if you take five touchdowns in two games, and even whittle it down to two touchdowns in 16 games apiece, we’ve got tw o guys who are catching eight touchdowns apiece. I think the youth of this team, if you really follow it and watch it, has really got a chance to be pretty good, and he believed in the youth and played them, and showed us what they could do those two young guys, for just as an example.
—-Al Davis
March 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Jhill, it’s kind of funny because everything that has happened, to me at least, points to the fact that they ARE going to go for more Oline help. Before any of this started, everyone here was saying how Mario is the starter. I said no way. Al himself comes out and says Mario did very well. I said, no way. Then they get Pears. I still said no way, or RT at best. Then Barnes. Again, I am saying no way. Barnes is a short term solution to a long term problem. All this means to me is they are VERY serious at addressing our offensive tackle problems. That’s what this means to me.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
only well coached teams can run good screens…
we’ll see hat Cable has got…
March 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
you know whop the best player in this draft is right ?? watch 4 years from now .. errone gonna be sayin we shoulda got rey maualuga . a real beast
March 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I have two dildoes I use on myself. One is named Gruden, and one is named Kiffie.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
but we havent ran a screen in like 5 years -
March 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
dorianGray Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
you know whop the best player in this draft is right ?? watch 4 years from now .. errone gonna be sayin we shoulda got rey maualuga . a real beast
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The best player in the draft could be a guy that’s undrafted. Its the way things are.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
take Crabtree, hands like that are special…
Shilens dropped passes left and right, JLH will get hurt if he plays too much…
we neeeed a WR..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Brinkley will be the All Pro linebacker out of this crop…
March 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Like Al, I’m amazed with speed and size. The team needs to slow the run, and you don’t do that by drafting a DE like Orakpo. We need another DT to play next to Kelly, I like Brace, but we also need a center. Now I like Unger more than Mack, and reports say he’s better suited for the ZBS. If we can draft the best available player in the 7th ( no OTs ), draft Unger and Brace (if Raji wasnt picked in the 7th) in 2 and 3, and draft Clemons in the 4th. By doing that, we fix the Run D, get a center, and the best Value at 7. Win, win situation. Let me know what you think.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
chaz schiilens is the truth on madden09 . damn wish he can ball like dat in real life — , i miss my ex , she was a great cuddler . nice round butt too .
March 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
or trade down take rey… take a C,, then take a WR..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Pete, Who do you like better?
Crabtree or Maclin?
March 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Shilens did not drop passes left and right. That’s BS, you are making stuff up to get people on your Crabtree wagon.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
i’m with u 554
March 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
i wonder if she misses me ? i should call her ,, oh . yeah crabtree might be da possesion reciever that teams covet . move the chains . and napolean harris is available
March 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
558 what? sorry preseason & the reg..
thats why he didn’t get a shot to start early.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Florida Pete Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Brinkley will be the All Pro linebacker out of this crop…
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I like Brinkley because he adds versatility to the linebacking corps. Now you can put Brinkley or Morrison at MLB or SLB. Adds competition to the positions. So if Brinkley loses out to Morrison, you put him at SLB because he’s a hard hitter with vision. Or, give Marshall the option of putting a couple of 3/4 looks with Morrison and Brinkley on the inside, Howard and even a Burgess or Scott on the outside. Plus Ricky Brown becomes a solid backup…which is what he is.
If you add Raji you increase more versatility on the D-Line. Again, you could support 3/4 looks by kicking Kelly to the outside DE with Richardson.
Just a thought.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Shilens is a fine up and comming #2..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
florida pete who da hell is brinkley ? and raider o . who drafts centers high ? we definitely need tackles / on offense and def.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
564 yes we do but not from this top ten..
March 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I am organizing an angry mob of Raider faithful to show up at the courthouse tommorow in full Raider gear and signs ect. to jeer Kiffin and show support for Al.
We are sure to end up on BSPN.
It’s going to be epic.
Show up in your gear and put the fear of Al in that little punk.
We are going to be a part of Raider history.
Join us.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
i hope b.j. raji is as good as many think. these d-tackles are harder to figure out than q.b.`s . ahh wheres darryl russell when u need him ?
March 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
angry mob can we throw none threatening objects at kiffin if we show up ?
March 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
we run a zone block system so we don’t need elite Ts..
spend the money on a playmaker… we need to score…
Denver, S.D, & K.C have highoctane Os..
March 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
dorianGray Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
florida pete who da hell is brinkley ? and raider o . who drafts centers high ? we definitely need tackles / on offense and def.
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Jasper Brinkley is a big MLB from South Carolina who suffered an ACL injury in his junior year. He is a big hitter up the middle with speed. He tore it up at the combine and now he is rated to go as high as the 2nd but most likely the 3rd or 4th. Had it not been for the injury he would be in discussion with the top guys.
Brinkley is a good choice for a team like the Raiders who have a good MLB but could use conpetition and has a need at SLB, which Brinkley can play with his size and speed.
Perfect pick at 3 for the Raiders.
BTW, Florida Pete was on this guy from start!
March 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Darrel Russel is dead… just like the careers of most of our DT pics from the first rd..
March 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
564 yes we do but not from this top ten..
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No team, let alone the Raiders, are going to draft a Center in the top 10. NFW
March 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
dont need elite tackles ? huh ? tell that to jamarcus russell`s ass/back at the end of the season .
March 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Darrel Russel is dead… just like the careers of most of our DT pics from the first rd..
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Chester McGlockton provided a few pro-bowl seasons for the Raiders.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
nope, ask Rich Gannon or Joe Montana or bla bla bla…..
March 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Agreed 565. Dorian, I’m saying draft a center in the 2nd ( or 3rd, but I think there is more chance of Brace lasting till the third than Unger). do you think that’s high for one if the top centers in this draft?!?
March 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
oh well im bout 2 go fornicate with my girlfriend`s cousin ,, thats how we do it in memphis . RAIDER NATION .
March 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
dorianGray Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
florida pete who da hell is brinkley ? and raider o . who drafts centers high ? we definitely need tackles / on offense and def.
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Jasper Brinkley is a big MLB from South Carolina who suffered an ACL injury in his junior year. He is a big hitter up the middle with speed. He tore it up at the combine and now he is rated to go as high as the 2nd but most likely the 3rd or 4th. Had it not been for the injury he would be in discussion with the top guys.
Brinkley is a good choice for a team like the Raiders who have a good MLB but could use conpetition and has a need at SLB, which Brinkley can play with his size and speed.
Perfect pick at 3 for the Raiders.
BTW, Florida Pete was on this guy from start!
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Yep. It would be great to see this guy in a Raider uni.
And yes, Pete had this guy pegged 3 months ago.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
the molester was ok his first 3 years..
March 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
2nd rnd is perfect for a center… but not the top ten.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
If anybody hasn’t noticed, Chris Johnson’s name is on the Team Roster on Raiders.com despite not being on the transactions page as being re-signed. I would think that answers the question as to whether hes truly on the team or not with a new contract. Maybe he just wanted to keep it low key.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
NO RAIDERO . DRAFT DA BUM . U SHOULD MAYBE BE THE RAIDERS G.M . NOW , GOODBYE
March 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
if we take another T it should be O.Pace.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Positives: Prototype size and strength for the inside linebacker position. … Immediate impact defender for South Carolina after transferring from Georgia Military College, and improved gradually. … Shows some burst as pass rusher on the blitz. … Good short-area quickness to elude blockers. … Reliable open-field tackler and can be a punisher inside. … Intimidating presence whose size and power project nicely as a 3-4 inside linebacker.
Negatives: Relies on his physical attributes and is still developing his instincts and technique. … Too often looks to slip blocks instead of using his size advantage. … Struggles with his hand placement and is slow to disengage. … Can be fooled by misdirection and lacks the explosiveness to recover. … Lacks the instincts and foot speed to be a factor in coverage. … Missed all but four games of the 2007 season after tearing his ACL. … Underwent surgery September 2007 and wasn’t the same player in 2008, when his athleticism was nowhere close to what it was pre-injury.
this is from nfl.com
March 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
No center or guard should go in the top 10.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Who’s with me?
March 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
oh yea, screw you guys ….. i’m going home..
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
jasper brinkley i forgot to add.sorry
March 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Big Al Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Pete, Who do you like better?
Crabtree or Maclin?
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didn’t we do this yesterday ???
i wouldn’t take either…
if forced to take a receiver, it would be Darius-Bey…
in the 2nd…
March 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
The Barnes signing is great, if only to create legitimate competition at the tackle position. As of now we’ll have Barnes and Henderson battling on the left side, Pears, McQuistan and Green on the right.
I’d still like to see us take a tackle in the later rounds (4th or 6th) but now we can concentrate on other needs.
There are a number of good veteran receivers on the market, I assume Al’s waiting for their prices to come down. Because adding someone of Holt or Toomer’s caliber to what we already have (Walker, Higgins, Shilens, Shields) would seal up that position.
If we do land a vet, I’d like to see us grab either Raji or Orakpo in the 1st and Mack or Unger in the 2nd (I’m leaning towards Unger now because of his versatility – dude can play any position on the line).
In the 3rd go defense again, grab Chung at S if he’s there or a big DT like Moala.
4th round I’d be stoked if Zack Follet, LB from Cal was still on the board. Sure he’s more comfortable ont he outside, but now you’ve got competition for Ricky Brown and special team help.
So to sum up
FA – Tory Holt or Amani Toomer
Draft -
1 – Orakpo, DE
2 – Unger, C/G/T
3 – Moala, DT
4 – Follet, LB
March 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
FBs too.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Blackdeath29,
Good post. OF course Brinkley had a very good combine which confirms he still has his speed.
He won’t have to be a 3-down backer in Oakland because of Morrison and Howard.
If the Raiders can get Raji, Unger and Brinkley 1,2,3 they would be setting themselves up nicely for next year. Upgrade the D-Line, O-Line and Linebacker.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Pete, I see you have trouble answering a simple question. I had a cushy position lined up for you in the orginization but it obvious you have trouble making a commitment to excellence.
Good day sir.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
b.j. raji. for those of you who keeps saying he is just a under tackle
Positives: Flashes rare burst off the snap for a man his size and can penetrate into the backfield and disrupt the play without necessarily making the tackle. … Good strength and mass at the point of attack to create a pile. … Good short-area lateral quickness. … Experienced. Missed the 2007 season due to academics, but leaves BC with 38 career starts. … Locates the ball quickly and works to make the play. … At his best lining up at the nose, though he flashes the initial burst off the snap to be effective as the under-tackle in the 4-3 alignment. … Strong enough to pull down ballcarriers with just his arms. … Arguably the single-most dominant player during the week of practice at the Senior Bowl.
Negatives: Marginal height for the position. … Only adequate to shed blocks due to his short arms and lack of sustained quickness. … Rare quickness in confined space, but lacks the speed to sustain and struggles to make an impact outside of the guard box. … Flashes the burst off the snap for the three-technique (under tackle in the 4-3 alignment), but is only a marginal pass rusher. … Relies on his initial burst off the snap and an occasional spin move to pressure. … Reliable tackler, but lacks the balance and lateral quickness to break down and make the tackle in space. … Most effective when operating as part of a rotation. … Maturity is a concern. … Has struggled with his weight, playing in 2006 at more than 350 pounds. … Was suspended for the first half of the Clemson game in 2006 for throwing a punch at a Central Michigan player. … Missed the entire 2007 season due to academics.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Florida Pete Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Big Al Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Pete, Who do you like better?
Crabtree or Maclin?
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didn’t we do this yesterday ???
i wouldn’t take either…
if forced to take a receiver, it would be Darius-Bey…
in the 2nd…
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Agreed. The Raiders have no business taking a receiver number 1. Contrary to all the rhetoric, neither is a great upgrade to Schilens and JLH. Plus the Raiders are not running the west coast and won’t be running a bunch of bubble screens. Short passes will swallowed up by the Miller and the RBs out of the backfield.
Schilens and JLH will put pressure on opposing safeties and CBs allowing Miller and RBs to do their work.
Also, all the mock drafts have Maclin a late 1st rounder unless the Raiders are stupid enough to take him at 7.
No to wide receiver. Develop the exciting talent on the roster.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
They say Chung is one of the top 3 Ss, so I don’t think he will last till the 3rd round. Clemons is also good if Chung was gone. There is good value at S between 2nd and theend of 4th, and you will see a lit taken between the 3 rounds.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
put Brinkley at MLB…
he comes out on obvious passing downs…
leaving Morrison and Howard…
Aso and Johnson…
and whoever as the nickel…
and a double whoever at safety…
yeah, baby… that’s raiderin’…
March 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
the raiders are lock into a center for their second pick
March 15th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Raider O,
I wouldn’t mind seeing a safety taken in round 4. If there is a position on the field that John Marshall can significantly influence, maybe its safety.
Rob Ryan had the safeties doing the impossible instead of playing centerfield on passing downs.
Nevertheless, an upgrade or stop gap is needed. If through the draft fine, I understand the need, still prefer a veteran with experience.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
BARNES TO MOVE?
Somebody’s gotta play RT. If Henderson has LT locked up it is likely Barnes goes to RT where he will face lesser quality pass rushers on average. It wouldn’t take much for Barnes to upgrade the RT spot.
Draft prediction update -
Thinking DE or DT in rd 1 although Maclin is the darkhorse. Cable called out DE as position of need.
Mack or Unger should be there in the 2nd.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
the raiders can draft who ever they want at mlb but if they bo not get a elite run stuffer it will not make any differance.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
If Kiffin was still here, I think we would have a good shot at the playoffs next year.
Cable is a clown.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Without restructuring the DT contracts, I can’t see them going Raji.
And I don’t know if there’s a DE this year worth #7. But a quality 3 down DE is definitely needed. Our light pass rusher DE’s are a liability against the run.
Situational DE’s give offensive play callers an advantage, they can call run on 3rd down.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
kiffi won 5 games out of 20.cable won 4 out of 12 and had the team playing better than it had in 5 years
March 15th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Barnes on a 1 year deal is a good signing.
During his first 3 seasons as the starting LT, Jax won an average of 10 games, their offense ranked in the top 10 in scoring every year and made the playoffs twice.
Last year Barnes slipped, but everyone sucked in Jax, they were supposed to fight for the Super Bowl and ended up winning 5 games.
I’m giving Barnes a mulligan on that one.
Unlike Kwame Harris, Barnes has had success in this level and he’s been an important player for a playoff team.
Let’s look at Barnes last year (his worst season):
He gave up 7.5 sacks last year, including:
2 vs Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
1 vs James Harrison (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Kyle Vandenbosch (Pro Bowler)
Also last year, Barnes held without a sack the following players:
Aaron Schobel (Pro Bowler)
Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
Jared Allen (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Suggs (Pro Bowler)
Obviusly, Barnes played division rival Freeney and Mario twice.
What about the running game?…
“The Jaguars averaged 6.04 yards per carry running off left tackle in 2008, the second best mark in the league.”
Bottom line:
Barnes is just 26, has plenty of talent and if he can keep his head in the game and stay out of trouble, he can definitely turn into a steal.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
one year contracts are good
players play their best when their next contract is on the line
March 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Sorry that I can’t get on board this everyone else does this so we should do it to mentality. I still have heard no solid reason for not addressing out true needs. We need 2 starters minimum at DE and C, and NO ONE is arguing that. We need a 4th DT that can play right away. That’s our first 3 rounds, like it or not. Sorry if it doesn’t fit that mold that allows us to get your personal favorite, but it shouldn’t be about that.
We are not going to get a starting C in the 3rd rd. We MIGHT get one in the 2nd. MIGHT! Same with DE. What would be stupid is ignoring the obvious and gambling on a DT in rd 1 when you need starters at DE and C.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Saggin Jaw is a fukin liar. Makes claims but cant cite examples of Schilens dropping and JLH gettin hurt! You are an idiot
March 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Good info on Barnes Bob!
Damn good info on the sacks he gave up.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
jhill
it`s all a gamble.the raiders have holes.unless they make some trades they only have 6 picks.it`s not that nobody does`nt want a de it just has to wait.you pass on raji that type of player only comes around about every 5 years.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
your right they are not going to get a starting center in round 3.they will in round 2.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Jhill youre right
March 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Good info on Barnes Bob!
Damn good info on the sacks he gave up.
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Agreed, It gives some insight as to the level of competition.
Barnes should be entering His prime.
I hope Cable and Co can coach him up and get maximum return on investment.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
you pass on raji that type of player only comes around about every 5 years.
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A player like Raji comes around only every 5 years?
LMFAO!
March 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Raji? Stop blackdeath. Raji is not that type of rare talent. Liar
March 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
A player like Raji comes around only every 5 years?
LMFAO!
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It’s true!
The planet Raji is due to come around again in 2014.
This according to the JPL, NASA, and SETI.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
you can count on one hand the number of dt`s in the nfl that can play nt,ut,ng,de in 30`s or 40`s front.
March 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Coach On Wheels Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
If Kiffin was still here, I think we would have a good shot at the playoffs next year.
Cable is a clown.
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after reading your first sentence…
i thought you were the clown…
March 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
He isnt more highly touted than many DTs over the last ten years. You sound less credible when you lie
March 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Raji cant play a 4/3 DE. You are a liar
March 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
he can play 3-4 de .
March 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Craptree and Raji arent Al players
March 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
your right they are not going to get a starting center in round 3.they will in round 2.
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Jesus H. Christ, of course you can get a starting center in the 3rd round. Shaun O’hara the leader of the NYG line was undrafted. So was Jamaal Jackson of Philly. Jeff Saturday arguably the best center in the league was undrafted. Tom Nalen was a 7th rounder. Come on you guys, there are going to be some VERY good centers available in the 3rd round.
The issue with Barnes is that he has played worse and worse each year. So, there is something wrong there. And then if he slips again, we are in the same situation we are already in only worse. If he excels and does well, he is out of contract. Barnes is a stop gap measure until we can get a real LT up to playing level, be it Henderson or someone else. To me the smart move would be to draft a bona fide LT and groom him his lst year while Barnes is out there and then let him take over in year 2. Problem solved.
Lastly, we are not going to the Super Bowl next year. We have problems on practically every unit. Big problems. This is going to take AT LEAST another 2 solid drafts to fix. So the smart thing would be don’t panic and try to solve every issue this time. Get some EXCELLENT prospects at need positions and groom them.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
3/4 de isnt needed in oakland
March 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
their has been no d-lineman in the last 5 years comimg out of college that can do that at the next level.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
yeah cable also liked what he saw in kwame harris
March 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Oakglenn is king!
March 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
No dlineman cant play dt and de in 4/3 maybe but not 3/4. Keep trying son
March 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
weneed robiskie Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
yeah cable also liked what he saw in kwame harris
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True. Just didn’t see what was between Kwames ears, or his chest cavity.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
To me the smart move would be to draft a bona fide LT and groom him his lst year while Barnes is out there and then let him take over in year 2. Problem solved.
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If the LT was really bona fide, he would start year 1, right? The flip side of your argument is a wasted pick at 7 if Barnes and Henderson work out. Ideally the problem solver is Barnes and Henderson doing exactly what they did last year, and working up from there.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Raji sucks
March 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
3/4 de isnt needed in oakland
if you can jump back and forth between a 4-3 and 3-4 you would deadly.but i would rather have him at the nose.and i repeat their has been no d-lineman in the last 5 years that can dt,ut,ng,de .i`m waiting for a name.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
So now Raji is a DE?
March 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Oakglenn Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
your right they are not going to get a starting center in round 3.they will in round 2.
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Jesus H. Christ, of course you can get a starting center in the 3rd round. Shaun O’hara the leader of the NYG line was undrafted. So was Jamaal Jackson of Philly. Jeff Saturday arguably the best center in the league was undrafted. Tom Nalen was a 7th rounder. Come on you guys, there are going to be some VERY good centers available in the 3rd round.
The issue with Barnes is that he has played worse and worse each year. So, there is something wrong there. And then if he slips again, we are in the same situation we are already in only worse. If he excels and does well, he is out of contract. Barnes is a stop gap measure until we can get a real LT up to playing level, be it Henderson or someone else. To me the smart move would be to draft a bona fide LT and groom him his lst year while Barnes is out there and then let him take over in year 2. Problem solved.
Lastly, we are not going to the Super Bowl next year. We have problems on practically every unit. Big problems. This is going to take AT LEAST another 2 solid drafts to fix. So the smart thing would be don’t panic and try to solve every issue this time. Get some EXCELLENT prospects at need positions and groom them.
you misunderstood i did`nt say it could`nt happen i said the raiders will get one in round 2.their locked on mack.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
So, BJ is a two down player, Jasper is a two down player and ReyRey is a two down player. So what exactly are they supposed to do against a hurry-up or no-huddle offense?
March 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I THINK THIS YEARS DRAFT CLASS IS THE WORST IVE SEEN IN A WHILE AT LEAST THE TOP 15 THEY’RE ARE A LOT OF STEALS IN THE DRAFT LIKE MY MAN ROBISKIE MARK MY WORDS TYPICAL RAIDER AKA WE NEED ROBISKIE
ALL THE GEMS OR IN THE LATE 1ST AND 2ND ROUND
March 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Jesus H. Christ, of course you can get a starting center in the 3rd round. Shaun O’hara the leader of the NYG line was undrafted. So was Jamaal Jackson of Philly. Jeff Saturday arguably the best center in the league was undrafted. Tom Nalen was a 7th rounder. Come on you guys, there are going to be some VERY good centers available in the 3rd round.
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In this case, were talking about getting someone who can step in from day 1, without question. We need a C NOW. You’re not possibly suggesting that we gamble on “possibly” getting one in rd 3 or possibly undrafted. It would be different if Wade has another year or two, then we could grab that good “prospect” in rd 3, and look for him to start next year.. This year, we HAVE to get one of the top 3 Cs. Those are the only guys projected as day 1 starters.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Blackdeath29
I have senn Albert Haynesworth do all of those things, but, obviously, he is on a planet all by himself(he almost is a planet) when it comes to D-lineman.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
So now Raji is a DE?
raji lined up as a de on some plays in the 3-4,with ron brace at the nose.when raji lined up on the nose in the 3-4 ron brace would go to the bench because he was not quick enough to play de.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The one year contract for Khalif is a great move. Even if the Raiders were to draft a tackle at #7 Barnes couldn’t tank the season because it is a contract year.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
So now Raji is a DE?
raji lined up as a de on some plays in the 3-4,with ron brace at the nose.when raji lined up on the nose in the 3-4 ron brace would go to the bench because he was not quick enough to play de.
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Got it.
I don’t see Raji as a DE in the NFL. In the 3/4 or otherwise.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Voldemort Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Blackdeath29
I have senn Albert Haynesworth do all of those things, but, obviously, he is on a planet all by himself(he almost is a planet) when it comes to D-lineman.
which makes me right because albert haynesworth came out about 8 years ago.like i said before you can count on one hand the players that can do that.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
For all of you who crap all over yourselves about the record of the Silver and Black the past six years, what is it about not having a great center that you don’t understand? sure, in the third or sixth round you could pick up Jake Grove all over again. And…???
March 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Sorry that I can’t get on board this everyone else does this so we should do it to mentality. I still have heard no solid reason for not addressing out true needs. We need 2 starters minimum at DE and C, and NO ONE is arguing that. We need a 4th DT that can play right away. That’s our first 3 rounds, like it or not. Sorry if it doesn’t fit that mold that allows us to get your personal favorite, but it shouldn’t be about that.
We are not going to get a starting C in the 3rd rd. We MIGHT get one in the 2nd. MIGHT! Same with DE. What would be stupid is ignoring the obvious and gambling on a DT in rd 1 when you need starters at DE and C.
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JHill,
Do we need a DE? Yes, but what is needed is a strongside DE. A guy that can stack up against the run, that’s what the Raiders need. A guy like Tyson Jackson or Mitch King from Iowa. They DON’T need another pass rusher. Burgess is still here and Trevor Scott is as good as any prospect that was drafted last and I’ll say this year. In limited time he got us 5 sasks. If he can get us 15 lbs that would put him at 270lbs.
Center is a need. I am in 1000% agreement. There are 4 starter capable centers in this draft. At least 2 of them will be available when the Raiders pick in the 2nd.
DT is a third need, and the biggest. There is no denying that Sands and Warren are liabilities at NT AND the Raiders have a lack of depth. I know you don’t want to hear this, but Raji is the best prospect in this draft and MIGHT be available at #7. An example of Value meeting Need. Not drafting an OT and not drafting a WR. So it will be Raji at #7 if he’s there.
If not, then I see the Raiders getting Orakpo, even though they should look at Tyson Jackson as the better fit.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Don’t forget about Duke Preston from the Bills. He’s still out there, is 6-5/325 and can play center or guard. There were reports that his visit here went very well. He’s only 26 (same as Barnes), and would be great competiton for Carlisle at RG or whomever ends up in the mix at center.
Just because we haven’t signed him yet doesn’t mean we won’t. Everyone (including me) thought Barnes was off the radar, too.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
There is a reason that Oakland made no counter-offer against Miami for Grove and the answer certainly isn’t Wade.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
At least 2 of them will be available when the Raiders pick in the 2nd.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but Raji is the best prospect in this draft and MIGHT be available at #7. An example of Value meeting Need.
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You are assuming that 2 of the 4 (not quite sure who the 4th is, Caldwell?) will be available for our pick in the 2nd. But of course you have to because of your man crush on Raji, LOL!
Best prospect in the draft? LMFAO S&B! You’re right, I don’t want to hear that.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
edward teach Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Don’t forget about Duke Preston from the Bills. He’s still out there, is 6-5/325 and can play center or guard. There were reports that his visit here went very well. He’s only 26 (same as Barnes), and would be great competiton for Carlisle at RG or whomever ends up in the mix at center.
Just because we haven’t signed him yet doesn’t mean we won’t. Everyone (including me) thought Barnes was off the radar, too.
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PLEASE let this happen! I’d much rather prefer Preston than a rookie C. It would certainly mean another need has been taken care of.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
curry is a solid player at linebacker.but raji can do too many things to pass up.
March 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
At least 2 of them will be available when the Raiders pick in the 2nd.
I know you don’t want to hear this, but Raji is the best prospect in this draft and MIGHT be available at #7. An example of Value meeting Need.
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You are assuming that 2 of the 4 (not quite sure who the 4th is, Caldwell?) will be available for our pick in the 2nd. But of course you have to because of your man crush on Raji, LOL!
Best prospect in the draft? LMFAO S&B! You’re right, I don’t want to hear that.
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Watching the NCAA tournament selection and made a typo. Raji is the best “DT” prospect in the draft is what I should have said.
As for Centers: (Mack, Unger, Wood, Luigs)
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Crabtree, Curry, and Orakpo will all be gone at 7. They are clearly the top 5 all around talents in this draft. If ANY one of these guys are available at 7, then our pick should be pretty easy. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE is a reach after that.
Throw this business about too high at 7 out the window. Gun to your head, who is the player that has the best chance at a pro bowl career? That’s the guy I take regardless of position. I can draft an interior linemen at 15, but not 7 spots higher?!?!?! That is LUNACY! 8 frickin spots means I have to gamble on a “sexy” position instead of a “meat and potatoes” position? I guess that’s why I’m fat now! Give me the meat and potatoes!
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
So, the best WR from college, winner of consecutive Fred Biletnikoff awards is less a prospect than BJ?
Let’s see, BSPN (aka Bostonian bootlickers), Boston College player…damn, you’re right! No hype involved. Raji and Brace should go one-two in the draft. definitely the best players out there. Bar none. (Whatever happened to old Bar None?)
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Henderson is the guy at LT until he loses the job…
March 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Seattle Raider Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
IMO, center is the most glaring need.
Wade is 2 years older than anyone on the team. I hope he has a couple of great years ahead. I don’t believe Morris is the answer.
What are the FA options? (Buffalo’s Duke Preston?)
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Why isn’t Buffalo trying to keep him?
March 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Crabtree, Curry, and Orakpo will all be gone at 7. They are clearly the top 5 all around talents in this draft. If ANY one of these guys are available at 7, then our pick should be pretty easy. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE is a reach after that.
Throw this business about too high at 7 out the window. Gun to your head, who is the player that has the best chance at a pro bowl career? That’s the guy I take regardless of position. I can draft an interior linemen at 15, but not 7 spots higher?!?!?! That is LUNACY! 8 frickin spots means I have to gamble on a “sexy” position instead of a “meat and potatoes” position? I guess that’s why I’m fat now! Give me the meat and potatoes!
jhill your right most of the time but not on this one.why draft a guy nobody wants to about pick 25.if you want him that bad trade back and get some extra picks plus your center.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Oher at 11_15 then Mack around 25, then NT then SOLB or best ava
March 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Draft Crabtree. You a-holes.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Crabtree, Curry, and Orakpo will all be gone at 7. They are clearly the top 5 all around talents in this draft. If ANY one of these guys are available at 7, then our pick should be pretty easy. Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE is a reach after that.
Throw this business about too high at 7 out the window. Gun to your head, who is the player that has the best chance at a pro bowl career? That’s the guy I take regardless of position. I can draft an interior linemen at 15, but not 7 spots higher?!?!?! That is LUNACY! 8 frickin spots means I have to gamble on a “sexy” position instead of a “meat and potatoes” position? I guess that’s why I’m fat now! Give me the meat and potatoes!
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JHill,
Its the whole value vs. need play that you are arguing. Valid discussion.
As for “sexy” positions….since when is a defensive tackle considered a “sexy” position. Raji is a top 10 prospect. That’s not me saying that. That’s NFL consensus.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Raji is the best “DT” prospect in the draft is what I should have said.
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Ok cool …
And I don’t dispute that he is the top rated DT in THIS draft. It’s really not saying much as this is not a stellar crop coming out. I would argue that the gap between Moala, Brace, Hood and Raji is not that large.
That being said, if we were to pick up Preston … Ah I still can’t see it. Sorry! I think that DE and OLB are bigger issues than DT. I would be more than happy with one of the 2nd rd DTs. More than happy! And I would definately go DT in rd 2. I recognize the need to add a young impact player at that position.
I think I would be more inclined to go with the highest rated DE at 7. Burgess is done after this year one way or the other. I think that Scott, at 6′5 will be develop into a solid base end. At 6′5, he’ll be able to carry 270-275 really well, and hold that spot down. He played a lot of base end last year. I’d keep him there and draft a DE to go against the LTs at 7.
I pretty much agree that LB is out at 7 b/c there are too many instances were that guy will be on the sideline on 3rd down. The only thing that may contradict that is Marshall likes the 3-3-5 set on passing downs. In that case, one of the DTs come out and we rush one of our LBs. If that’s the case, the LB is back in play at 7!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
If Crabtree is available at 7, and we dont pick him, we deserve to keep the horrible offense going,..our offense has been the worst in the history of recorded man for the last 6 years, and a playmaker is there for us, but you idiots yappin bout a center,…you are all losers.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The NFL draft trade is the biggest gambol in all of sports. Most $,future, pride, and embarrassment at stake!!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
jhill why do you like mack so much?i like mack as do most people on this site,but not at #7.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
if you want him that bad trade back and get some extra picks plus your center.
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I’ve said a thousand times that that is option #1. I’d take as low as a 3rd and a 4th to move back to 17ish, but I’d hope for a 2 and a 3.
But if I couldn’t get anyone to trade up then F what everyone else would do. If your the type of person who doesn’t do things just because someone else hasn’t done it, then I hear you. I’m just not that guy. Not once have you said that the guys we are talking about aren’t good players. Your only reasoning is no one else has done it before. Think about what you are saying!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Scenario, you trade back from seven to say 21, plus a third rounder in the bargain. At 19 you become paranoid that someone else is going to get your guy so you give the 21 plus a third to move up a spot to get your guy. So you end up with who you wanted to save a few million. So what? Who invented this stupid idea of “reach” and “can’t draft that position so high”? Not one single entertainer of any ilk is worth what they are paid. It is all very simple in that.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
JHIll,
The gap between Raji and the rest is pretty sizeable. Raji a top 10 and the rest low 1st or 2nd. Raji would be top 10 last year as well. The reason I think is because of the versatility he brings. He can swallow up multiple blockers like an NT and has the speed and penetration ability of a good UT. Just my opinion.
The only OLB in the 1st I would take is Aaron Curry. Jasper Brinkley in the 3rd would also be a great pickup.
I wouldn’t mind a Center pick up in free agency. That would expand the things the Raiders could do in the draft. Could definitely lock down one of those linebackers in the 2nd or a run stopping DE.
Anyway, you have to admit things are starting to move towards Raji at #7. The only team that could mess this up is Cincinnati. The key will be Seattle at #4. Do they take Eugene Monroe or Michael Crabtree. If they take Crabtree then Cincy takes Monroe. If Cincy goes Monroe, then Cincy will be looking at Raji or an Orakpo/Everette Brown.
Just my opinion
March 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
jhill why do you like mack so much?i like mack as do most people on this site,but not at #7.
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I’m not wedded to ANY player, including Mack. For the 1001 time. If we could trade back to 17-25, then great, let’s do it. Or if we can trade back up to the back of the first round, then great let’s do that! Wood, Mack, OR Unger are all day 1 starters. ANYONE of them will do. Just make sure you get one. Sitting there waiting for one of them to drop to us in the 2nd rd is a HUGE gamble, IMO. It very well could happen, but if we’re sitting here on draft say settling for Luigs or Caldwell and hoping they pan out as a starter is taking an unnecessaary risk, IMO.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
jhill the gap between brace,hood,moala is a lot bigger than you think.you go into senior bowl with these guys plus peria jerry and you come out number on almost everybodys board.mack went in with unger,wood and came between out 1-3.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Buffalo signed free agent center Geoff Hangartner from the Carolina Panthers. Preston is an UFA, and also started at guard for the Bills until he replaced Melvin Fowler at center. Don’t know why Buffalo wanted Hangartner instead.
Preston played center at Illinois, and was All Big-10 twice, if I remember right. Rated as very athletic for his size (6-5/325).
March 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Anyway, you have to admit things are starting to move towards Raji at #7.
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I still don’t see it ….
We haven’t cut Warren, Sands, or Kelly yet, so no I don’t see it. Warren and Kelly are being paid starters money. And so is Sands as you have repeatedly pointed out. Every single “obvious” non performer has been cut or let go in FA, yet those 3 are STILL HERE!
The minute we cut anyone of those guys, I’ll be right there with you!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
jhill the gap between brace,hood,moala is a lot bigger than you think.
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No it isn’t. And in fact for what everyone is screaming for, a run clogging DT … a 1st and 2nd down DT … Brace is the better prospect than Raji!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Re; #669. I agree with Jhill. The starters are still here and they’re getting paid as well.
I’ll believe we give #7 money to a DT when one of those guys gets let go. Too many other places to spend it.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
This is like the 40th time I have posted this so read carefully slow minded dim witted bloggers:
Al Davis is happy with the WR position and there is no way he is taking a WR at #7
This is directly from his mouth not mine.
DT, Orakapo, Center, MLB maybe but no way is it a WR at #7.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Brace I agree with. I’ve said all along that he’s a better option than Raji because he can play the nose, too, and we don’t have to spend the #7 overall to get him.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
The roster is subject to change up through June 1st. I think they are waiting to see how the draft shakes up before making anymore cuts.
Warren and Kelly restructured contracts and Sands can still be cut for a cap benefit.
Kind of like the running back situation last year. Had LaMont, Rhodes, Fargas and Bush and still drafted DMAC and cut Lamont and Rhodes before camp started.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
SilverNblack666 Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
This is like the 40th time I have posted this so read carefully slow minded dim witted bloggers:
Al Davis is happy with the WR position and there is no way he is taking a WR at #7
This is directly from his mouth not mine.
DT, Orakapo, Center, MLB maybe but no way is it a WR at #7.
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We are not all dim witted. Some of us are just dullards.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
edward teach Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Brace I agree with. I’ve said all along that he’s a better option than Raji because he can play the nose, too, and we don’t have to spend the #7 overall to get him.
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Don’t agree about the better option…but the problem with passing on Raji at 7 is that the Raiders can’t get Brace or any of those other guys at #40 because of the need to draft a starting caliber Center
March 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
666… Al Davis also said that Mario Henderson was our left tackle. According to Barnes, he was assured that he would get to compete for that job and it was a big reason why he signed with the Raiders.
Don’t believe everything you hear (especially from Al).
March 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I believe we have plenty of needs on defense and offense that needs to be addressed this year. It is true we not going to the superbowl but god damn i am tired of 4 wins a season. We need to be above .500 and make it to the playoff and get respected, feared and loved once again. The way to get there is hard but it starts with good drafting and solid free agency. Barnes will surprise alot of ppl since he wants to be paid next year. He will be hungry and his drive will improve henderson. We can find a solid center in the second round and remember some veterans will be cut June 1st. Our main needs offensively is a WR threat who can command a double coverage, this will free our TE and improve our running game. Higgins is a burner therefore we don’t need Maclin, we Crabtree and scouts compare him to Andre Johnson from Texas. As far as our defense goes, seriously I think we need more help than the offense. Not only we need to stop the run but we also need good Safety and run stoppers linebackers. Our DL are weak and requires a major upgrade. Bottom line, if we can draft a WR, C, DT, LB and get a mike brown for our safety or roy williams we can win 9 games easily. We have the fans and the AFC west division is weaker with the chiefs and broncos being in rebuilding mode. We can win against SD if we stop the run and especially LT n Sproles.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Too early to tell what’s going to happen in the draft with the O-line, but it certainly appears that we’re looking at more free agents there than anywhere else.
No safeties brought in yet, no receivers, only one linebacker, and no defensive linemen. Quite a few O-linemen. Just a little interesting, that’s all. Makes you wonder what they’re thinking and who they’re really looking at in the draft.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
edward teach Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
666… Al Davis also said that Mario Henderson was our left tackle. According to Barnes, he was assured that he would get to compete for that job and it was a big reason why he signed with the Raiders.
Don’t believe everything you hear (especially from Al).
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I’ve said it before; How can you tell when a coach or GM is lying before the draft? He’s speaking.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Trade for me!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Kind of like the running back situation last year. Had LaMont, Rhodes, Fargas and Bush and still drafted DMAC and cut Lamont and Rhodes before camp started
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Stop it S&B! Raji in not to Warren and Kelly what DMac was to Fargas and Bush. Just stop it already. Raji is not hardly the draft prospect that DMac was. Raji’s biggest supporter and Alumi Mike Mayock has him rated as the 11th best player in the draft S&B, CMON! The NFL.com mocks all have Raji going 12 to Denver. Sporting News – 9 to GB. You must be a big Mel Kiper and Todd McShay fan b/c they are the only guys I really see on him like you are. And they are not as high on him as you are. They site the 3-4 teams who need a NT as teams that would jump on him. I do not see one 4-3 team projected to take Raji.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Sands is gone!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
but the problem with passing on Raji at 7 is that the Raiders can’t get Brace or any of those other guys at #40 because of the need to draft a starting caliber Center
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You can get Brace if you draft C in the first round!
Oh I forgot. We pick 8 slots to high to consider it. LOL! 8 frickin spots man!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Haha JHill,
Now you know what I was going thru last year with McFadden and you guys!!
Just let it go man. Once locked on, it’s over!
March 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
ron brace can only play nose tackle .hood,jerry can only play the undertackle.maola can play the undertackle and maybe 3-4 de.raji can and has played ng,nt,ut,dt and de in the 3-4.boston college just had their pro day and ron brace vs. b.j. raji was discribed as the turtle vs the hare.and raji is heavier and stronger and you guys say it`s close.ron brace 5.5 career sacks.raji 8 sacks last year alone.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Lamont and Rhodes didn’t have anywhere close to the contracts that Kelly, Sands and Warren have. Lamont was injury-prone and Rhodes didn’t even want to be here. Bad comparison.
If you want to do a comparison, use Crabtree vs. the wideouts we have now. We “appear” to be OK there, but a closer (objective) look will show that we aren’t. Crabtree, like Dmac before him, is rated as probably the best player in the draft. The folks that say there’s no way we’ll go there at #7 just aren’t looking closely enough at what we have now, and what Al’s done in the very recent past.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Lamont and Rhodes didn’t have anywhere close to the contracts that Kelly, Sands and Warren have. Lamont was injury-prone and Rhodes didn’t even want to be here. Bad comparison.
If you want to do a comparison, use Crabtree vs. the wideouts we have now. We “appear” to be OK there, but a closer (objective) look will show that we aren’t. Crabtree, like Dmac before him, is rated as probably the best player in the draft.
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Bingo!
March 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
from PFT.com
REPORT: LIONS LIKELY TO DRAFT A LEFT TACKLE
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 15, 2009, 7:05 p.m.
With the NFL draft coming up and the Detroit Lions deliberating on what to do with the top overall selection, Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com is certain that they’ll opt for a left offensive tackle rather than Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford or Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
People were talking a lot about McFadden coming here last year in this Blog now it Crabtree.
I just don’t see it with all of our O-Line and D-Line holes to fill.
I guess that didn’t stop us last year from taking McFadden
March 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I just want all of you to know and I said it here first!!
Arman Shields will have a better pro career than Crabtree!!
March 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Q: what do you do if you’re 31st against the run ???
A: get Stu schweigert to come back ???
Q: no…
A: uh, call maddenriader and ask him to stand in the middle of the d-line ???
Q: um, excellent idea… but… no…
A: draft BJ Raji, the very best DT in the draft ???
Q: well done, grasshopper…
March 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
just want all of you to know and I said it here first!!
Arman Shields will have a better pro career than Crabtree!!
The single most uniformed comment ever made here. And that is really saying something.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Pete, STFU!
We got it. You want Raji.
The dumbest part of your take is that Raji won’t even be there at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Coach On Wheels Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
just want all of you to know and I said it here first!!
Arman Shields will have a better pro career than Crabtree!!
The single most uniformed comment ever made here. And that is really saying something.
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uniformed: A distinctive outfit intended to identify those who wear it as members of a specific group…
eh ???
March 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I can’t believe how smart Al is getting in his old age.
The way he handled the Barnes signing was fantastic.
Now, sign Tank Johnson to the same type of deal and trade down on draft day.
We’d have a shot at Mack, Robiskie, Moore(SS) and Brinkley.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Pete, Did Dorsey improve KC’s run defense last year?
Raji isn’t half the prospect Dorsey was.
Don’t be so simplistic.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
WHy does everyone keep talking about Arman Shields when most of you never saw him play, he has been hurt even in college (bad knee), pre-season gets hurt and you all are already talking about this guy as if he is the next best receiver. I hope he is great but right now he is just warming a roster spot. Don’t pass on a WR because you have a guy no one knows about.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how great Raji is. I am not saying he is not but I need someone to school me on what they see in this guy. WHen I look at him on video, he looks strong but does not blow me away.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
YEAH , DRAFT REY MAUALUGA
March 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Coach On Wheels Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Pete, Did Dorsey improve KC’s run defense last year?
Raji isn’t half the prospect Dorsey was.
Don’t be so simplistic.
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in my view of things Dorsey is small…
too small…
Raji is a very big, powerful, 325 pounds of strength capable of handling 600 pounds of angry beef…
only two DT’s last year were considered superior… i considered them both undersized…
this year there is a serious crop of DT’s about 6 of them… and Raji is the best of them…
oh, and hey… you have your opinion… i’ll have mine, thank you very much…
in my book, the only people who need to STFU… are people who tell others to STFU…
March 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
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March 15th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
IF DA WASHED UP HACK – RECEIVER WOULD RETIRE WE COULD SIGN PLAXICO
March 15th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
DA RAIDERS HAVE M.BUSH/JUGGERNAUT ON THE TEAM . WE BETTER RUN RUN RUN . LIKE DA GIANTS
March 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Pete, Keep pissing into the wind.
Raji will be gone at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Coach On Wheels Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Pete, Keep pissing into the wind.
Raji will be gone at 7.
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and if he is gone before we pick, then my opinion of him will be somewhat validated…
March 15th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Both 7 and 8 were traded in last years draft. NE traded back 3 spots to 10 and got a 3rd rd pick.
Baltimore basically traded back 10 spots and got the same 3rd rd pick.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
trading down to pick up extra 2nd or 3rd round picks is an excellent idea…
takes two to make that trade though…
March 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Pete, Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Agreed that it takes two …
Just saying that it looks like we are in the prime trading area being at 7.
What would be hilarious is someone else trading up to 7, and then taking Raji.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Fargas is gone!!
March 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Looks like WR, LB, and DT are all pretty deep in this draft. S, C, and LT are huge needs for us and the draft is not plentiful at these positions. Our best option IMO would be trade out of #7. There’s good value in rounds 2 and 3. This is where we need to stockpile picks. We could easily draft a C, DT, WR, LB that could all start. We also need a S but there are none in the draft that can cover half the field so I suspect we will struggle again this year at the position.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Rumor has it that Sanchez is flying up the boards.
Somebody, Jets maybe, will want to jump ahead of SF to grab him.
Who knows?
March 15th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
One of the reasons I think we’re going to emphasize offense in this draft is that we know what we’re working with and where the real holes are. Cable has two years with this team and the vast majority of it was with the offense. He knows who can do what he wants done and who can’t.
The defense is another matter. Marshall is a genuine 4-3 coordinator, but he doesn’t as yet know what he has personnel-wise. I’m sure he’s looked at plenty of film and (hopefully) identified some things that Ryan did that he would do differently. Trouble is, unless he knows the players he doesn’t actually have a handle on what he can do or what he can’t.
I’m sure if there’s a glaring need that it will be addressed, but my guess is they’ll tread lightly on that side of the ball this year and give Marshall time to see what he has before making any big changes.
March 15th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Fargas is not gone, he just won the CTE award. Al loves this guy as do his teammates.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I don’t know Teach, I think Cable has a lot of bullets on offense already. DMac, Bush, Miller, and JRuss for starters. We just added an two OTs. Walker, Schillens, and JLH will get every opportunity to fail before we bring in a WR other than a Crabtree type, who will be gone before 7. I can’t see any other offensive positions at 7 for us unless we start talking about C.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I saw this Bo Jackson clip on youtube last night and I got a little teared up man. Watching Bo Jackson crush every opponent to “running down a dream.” It is like watching a ghost man. DMAC and Bush take notes and make a play for me for old time sake!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnf5Tq-AcY&feature=related
March 15th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I don’t know Teach, I think Cable has a lot of bullets on offense already. DMac, Bush, Miller, and JRuss for starters. We just added an two OTs. Walker, Schillens, and JLH will get every opportunity to fail before we bring in a WR other than a Crabtree type, who will be gone before 7. I can’t see any other offensive positions at 7 for us unless we start talking about C.
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JHill, I know what you are saying but do you really feel confident with the receivers we have now? Besides
Miller (love this dudes game)I think the rest of WRs whould be either plan B Projects or 2nd option WR on any other team. I am not saying Schillens, and JLH are bad receivers especially the way Schillens is growing I just think natural progression on any other pro team would have these guys as second options. JLH is a game breaker but not a chain mover. We need a consitant chain mover and the WR in free agency are just to burned out for the money. We need a WR in the draft.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Jhill… Maybe I should clarify. I was speaking mainly about the top of the draft. We are suspect at RG, center is obvious, and in my opinion so is WR. In what order those are addressed depends, of course, on who’s there when we pick.
I could be worng about this, but it’s just a feeling I get. Marshall may have his eye on someone that he will lobby Al to take early, too. I just think that the offense and where to go with it is much more of a known quantity than the defense is at the moment.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
This is for all of you Tim Brown haters. Watch this man score a TD on a kick return way after his prime years. If you look at the end of his run Jerry Rice runs out on the field. That lets you know it was post 4.4 40 time.
Look for a WR with desire!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I know we really didn’t start looking like an offense in general until the last 6 weeks or so. And looked even more likea real offense once Harris was benched, so I really don’t know what we have in the WRs. I feel really confident in JLH as a #2 WR. I don’t think it could be any better as he runs all the under neath routes that gives him a chance to score on any play, and he goes deep. Schillens has the size and speed to be the guy we’re hoping for in Crabtree. All we really need for him to be is a solid possession reciever.
In theory, with our RB attack, two solid #2s should be sufficient for next year. I really believe we have to see what we have in the guys we already drafted before we spend another draft pick of a WR. It’s not like JLH, Schillens, and Shields haven’t produced. They need a chance to perform.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Also check out how Tin Brown does that shoulder dip, shoulder shrugg move to throw off defenders. It is just those extra juke moves that a WR like Tim Brown does that you can’t see in a 40 time. That is what I look for at WRs in college.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I can’t wait to see D-MAC with a good pair of feet this year. He needs to make some more effective juke moves but he can get up field. D-MAC also needs to hold on to the rock!!!!!
March 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Draft Crabtree…if you f*ckin morons can think of a better pick lets hear it, if not, stfu and go to bed.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
dmac is a bust you butthole.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
COW your just a babbling retard that likes to talk trash at bloggers predictions while not having the nut sack to make your own.
So little man who will we take at #7
What makes Crabtree so good he is no CJ or even close to Fitzgerald!
Arman Shields is going to surprise people just like Bush did so shut your cake hole you half baked wanna be semi intelligent dolt!
March 15th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Makes sense JHill, I just have a problem with a WR corps were none of them went over 500 yards in a season. That is just pretty pathic and well I don’t know what Arman Shields can do. I mean he is a guy that maybe did not get cut last year because he was hurt. Walker is a nut job.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
i piss on the whole lot of ya.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Crabtree = Deon Branch
Hype
He broke his foot in practice
March 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
JHill Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Agreed that it takes two …
Just saying that it looks like we are in the prime trading area being at 7.
What would be hilarious is someone else trading up to 7, and then taking Raji.
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Look for Denver or Green Bay to do just that. I think the chances are pretty good for that happening. Both teams have huge holes at DT….Almost as big as ours.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
gnite to all you bastards.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
The Raiders will take Maclin at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Jhill… the only WR in this draft worth the #7 overall is Crabtree, in my opinion. Maclin is overrated. Not crazy overrated, but he’s not #7 overall, IMHO.
There was a guy from The University of Houston that I thought we should have grabbed if we had the chance a couple of years ago; Donnie Avery. Similar build and stats to Maclin, but he ran a 4.28 in college. Rams beat us to him, they took him at the top of the second (where we got Miller, so it’s not like we screwed up). I see Maclin as a similar player; Avery is a pretty good pro (actually took one or two kicks all the way back this year and caught 50 or so balls), but not nearly worth a pick that high.
It will interesting to see what happens if Crabtree’s gone at 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I dont know what you guys are smoking a Center in the top 10? I cant think of a single C in the last 10 yrs that went that high the highest drafted C that I can think of is Jeff Faine and I think he was a mid first rounder, can anybody tell me the names of the OLineman that play for the Cardinals the only one I can think of is Levi Brown and as far as I know he was the only 1st rounder, my point is you dont have to have all first rounders to have a good offensive line, you just need solid performance from each guy as a unit, when that unit has a weak link it can affect the entire line and thats what I think happened to Khalif Barnes last year the guy has been in the league for years and didnt give up a sack in his rookie year and 3 sacks his last 2 years in college, the guy is solid, and he doesnt seem to be the head case that Harris was, the problem with Harris to me was that he was too cerebral the guy had the speed and the footwork but couldnt seem to put it together mentally unfortunately for some players this is why they become busts, I dont think this was the problem for Barnes he had a line that was decimated by injuries so I give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and if he wins Henderson can move to RT and with a C in the 2nd rd and yes 1 or both of them will be there the OL should be fine.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
By the way, 666, it doesn’t take “nutsack” to make predictions.
Any retard can throw slop against the wall and hope that it sticks.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Is there ANY chance that young Chris Morris can step in and be our starting C for the next 10 years?
Dude is 6′4, 305lbs!
Any chance at all?
March 15th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The receiver situation goes to the heart of the Raiders problem. THEY DON’T DEVELOP PLAYERS! There is almost an absolute reliance on free agents.
I will say this again:
Trevor Scott, Michael Bush, Mario Henderson, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Tyvon Branch, Kirk Morrison and even Ricky Brown (though not full time) need to play. How else do you discover the next T.J Houshminzadeh or Marques Colston. The Bart Scott’s and the DE for the Giants.
The Raiders draft players like Shields and end up putting them on the scrap heap before letting them play.
On the other hand free agents like Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren are given lifetime keys to the kingdom and show up out of shape, injured and unproductive
March 15th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
COW you avoided the question…..Who are we taking at #7
March 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Just looking over Morris a bit more …
He was the 7th ranked C coming out of Michigan State. He put up 33 reps on the bench, had a 29 in vertical, 9′5″ broad jump, ran the 40 in 5.28. Those pre draft #s are WAY better than Unger, and right there with Eric Wood. Plus he has 2 years under Cable.
Hmmmm ………….
March 15th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
666 are you drunk?
See post 732.
Armen Shields will have a better career than Crabtree??????
March 15th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I dont understand this Crabtree issue, the man is injured and he still hasnt really dropped in most scouts eyes and half the people in here think the guy is a bust good thing none of you are GM’s, if this guy has bust written all over him I really want to what reciever in the last 10 yrs put up numbers like this and didnt produce in the NFL, Carlos Francis was in this same offense and didnt put up numbers anywhere near Crabtree’s ohh yeah neither did the other WR’s on his team this year or last, so it kinda seems like this guy may have a quite a bit of talent.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
The best move for the Raiders in the draft is picking BJ Raji and then moving Tommy Kelly back to DE
RDE-Kelly
LDE-Burgess
UT-Raji
DT-Warren/Sands Rotation
March 15th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I’d say the Raiders are in the process of developing their young players right now.
From 2005 thru 2008 21 of the 30 players selected are on the current roster.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
javon will have a great year, no need to take a wr in hte draft, stable is there. these guys are not immune to the economy, they are now getting the fact that their million dollar homes are worth half what they paid, their stock portfolios are tanked, they’re just like everyone else, it’s a job and you must peform, raiders have had the talent, just zero performance, thank the almighty for the econ downturn, will make these athletes start acting like the rest of us, put up or shut up, or be canned
March 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
666, Where did you go little man?
March 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
702… Wes Welker also played in that offense. He has turned out to be a pretty good player, and he’s not even on the same planet with Crabtree, talent-wise.
Crabtree is the real deal. Hopefully we won’t have to watch him prove that somewhere else.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I love watching COW and Petey-boy at each others’ throats. It’s like watching a couple retards try to slap each other with blindfolds on.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Another question for the couch GM’s why would anyone draft any other WR before Crabtree to me he is the only WR that has the potential to make a difference this year for us, I think Maclin will be okay but I want a WR that is going to be a #1 for us immediately otherwise I would rather address other needs and let our WR’s that we have develop. Why is Maualuga not getting serious consideration at #7? I know he is hurt but the guy has been impressive for a few years, have we forgotten about Lofa Tatupa a pro bowlers who didnt put up Maualuga numbers, Keith Rivers starter in Cincy his rookie season, If we took Maualuga 7th and a big stout DT by the 4th the run defense vastly improves, also Rob Ryan was a terrible Defensive Coordinator as long as this guy is half way descent the defense will be alot better.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Kell, sort of like watching Brien and yourself.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
702, I agree. I just don’t think Crabtree will fall to 7.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
What are we going to do about the safety position? the safeties I like are projected to go in the 2nd and I think that C is a little more important but it is a need that we must address for a starter and depth, I like the little I saw from Tyvon Branch I just prefer my SS to be in the 215 to 225 area. I like Kevin Ellison out of USC as a later round prospect.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I love watching COW and Petey-boy at each others’ throats. It’s like watching a couple retards try to slap each other with blindfolds on.
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i get the impression that you’ve recently been slapped around by a retard with a blindfold on…
this should teach you and everyone else here, to not give your address out to MaddenRaider…
March 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Youre probably right Coach on Wheels but I have had a little faith since the injury because he wont be be able to workout before the draft
March 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I’d be happy to draft Crabtree but Jeremy Maclin looks like someone Al Davis would want based on his speed and playmaking ability. Now, if I was drafting, I’d want someone with a different style to play opposite of Higgins and that would be Crabtree but having 2 speedster/playmakers could be intriguing to Davis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI
March 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I hope you are right.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Im at the warriors game and its not lookin good rite now dam refs and their techs
March 15th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Craptree is irrelevant to Al. Wont be the pick
March 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
666, Blame it on a troll.
I won’t tell anyone.
G’ nite, all.
March 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
More Maclin…Theres a part in the video where it goes black for maybe 30 seconds. Just fast forward at that part since theres more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA619-10IIM
March 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Craptree is irrelevant to Al. Wont be the pick
I’ll bet if he was white he’d be revelant.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
COW, i rule buddy! Please spare us your jealousy
March 15th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Lol wow troll you pull that against me? Yea if Craptree was white Id want to draft him
March 15th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Jeremy Maclin
Height: 6-01/8 | Weight: 198 | 40-Time: 4.46
Official Bio
Strengths:
Outstanding athleticism…Is really smooth and fluid…Adequate height and bulk…Excellent speed…Great acceleration with a burst…Very quick and agile…Good hands and will make the difficult catch…Nice body control and ball skills…Good leaping ability…Elusive with great vision and instincts…A terror in space…Deep threat who will stretch the field vertically…Will work the middle of the field…Versatile and also an elite return man…Super productive…Still has a lot of potential.
Weaknesses:
Played in a spread offense…Not a polished route runner…Needs to get stronger…Will have some lapses in concentration…Won’t break many tackles…Is not overly tough or physical…Gives good effort but isn’t a great blocker…Durability is a concern…Only two years of experience.
Notes:
Entered the draft after his redshirt sophomore season…Did not play in 2006 after suffering a catastrophic right knee injury (Multiple Torn Ligaments and Partial Dislocation) in a 7-on-7 passing drill during the summer…Was a consensus 1st Team All-American as an all-purpose player in both 2007 and 2008…Led the nation in all-purpose yards in 2008, averaging 202.36 yards per game…Injured his ankle and left a game in 2008…Tweaked his knee at the Scouting Combine…Arguably top kick and punt returner in this draft…A dynamic playmaker who is a threat to take it the distance each and every time he touches the ball.
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Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2006 RS – - – -
2007 14 80 1,055 12.2 9
2008 14 102 1,260 12.4 13
Totals 28 182 2,315 12.7 22
March 15th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
No to Raji and no to Craptree means we had a great draft
March 15th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Michael Crabtree
Height: 6-13/8 | Weight: 215 | 40-Time: 4.55
Official Bio
Strengths:
Very good height and bulk with long arms…Excellent hands…Good concentration and will make the difficult catch…Outstanding body control…Terrific ball skills…Tremendous leaper who high-points the ball…Does a great job of running after the catch…Doesn’t go down easily…Physical and aggressive…Tough and not afraid to go over the middle…Nice feet and works the sidelines well…Quick off the line…Does all the little things as a route runner…Understands how to get open…Good athleticism…Very competitive…Hard worker…Good teammate with solid football intangibles…Extraordinarily productive.
Weaknesses:
Lacks great timed speed…Does not get a lot of separation…Played in an unorthodox offense that pumped up his numbers and didn’t require him to run a lot of NFL routes…Will get contested vertically…Still has room to improve as a blocker…Has issues with ball security…Health and durability may be concerns…Just two years of playing experience.
Notes:
Entered the draft after his redshirt sophomore season…One of the most prolific receivers in the history of college football…Actually played quarterback in high school…Became the first two-time winner of the Biletnikoff Award as the nation’s best wideout (2007 and 2008)…Led the nation in receptions (134), receiving yards (1,962) and touchdowns (all NCAA freshman records) in 2007 and was a consensus All-American…Named the Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year in 2007…Also earned numerous All-American honors in 2008…Played with an ankle injury in ‘08…During the Scouting Combine medical exams doctors discovered a stress fracture in his left foot, which required surgery and 6-10 weeks of rehabilitation, and as a result he will be unable to work out for teams prior to the draft…Has just about everything you look for except elite speed…A sure-fire Top 10 pick who profiles as a legitimate #1 wide receiver at the next level.
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Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2006 RS – - – -
2007 13 134 1,962 14.6 22
2008 12 93 1,135 12.2 18
Totals 25 227 3,097 13.6 40
March 15th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Maclin lol
March 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Brian what are you still doing up?! Get in the bathtub and then get into bed, young man. This is a place for grownups and not hyperactive little children with slender female builds.
Mommy will tuck you in if you hurry. And what a momma she is indeed!
March 15th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Lol wow troll you pull that against me? Yea if Craptree was white Id want to draft him
private brien…..everyone knows you like white kok.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
How can anyone go gaga over those stats?lol
March 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Wow the gay humorists are here. How riveting
March 15th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
How can anyone go black. Once you go white, nothing else is right.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Look Troll fuk and Bitchem, there is a 49er chat open for your types. We dont need that sort of talk here
March 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
good night.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I like big ones, little ones, fat ones, skinny ones, hairy ones, hairless ones, but white kok is the best.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Brain, how can anyone trust your opinions? You’re only a little kid who’s brain hasn’t had time to develop. Eating sand and your own turds is about all you can manage on a good day. Now get into the bath and under those cover, Mister!
March 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Ha, let it all out Steve Young. Aeneas Williams hit ya hard and separated you from your lady love Fairy Rice.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Brian how is it that you have so much knowledge of this so called “49er blog”? No matter, I hope you’re finding some helpful information on places to party and fellas to party with.
Either way, get into that bath!
March 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Look Troll fuk and Bitchem, there is a 49er chat open for your types. I would go there myself but there are more white koks here.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Bitchem leaking out info on your pitiful childhood would best be told with the special victims unit. We talk Raider football here.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
It’s almost time for Blackholepriest to log on. That white pedophile know how to use that little thingy between his legs.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Bitchem nice try on the spin but all 32 teams have many blogs on the net. You are reaching. Both you and your troll buddy
March 15th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I used to like to lick fairy Rice’s kok but then BHP showed me that size doesn’t really matter.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Raider football guys. No more of your sick twisted details how you get off. Thats personal stuff
March 15th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Bitchem nice try on the spin but all 32 teams have many blogs on the net. I’ve been on each and everyone. But this is the only one where I can get dates with white dudes.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Wow its gay troll time. Id rather talk Raider football so its time to go
March 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I did get a date with Steve Young when I went on the 49er site. But once he got a sun tan I told him it was over.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Well private brien, I see all you are going to do is post about your love life with white men. I’m here to talk fader football and since I’m bored with your love life….I’m out of here. (For tonight)
March 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
al davis is god
March 15th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
al davis is a godam POS.
March 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
more of a man than you could ever hope to be, dick brain
March 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I ♥ you Raiderdave♥
March 15th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
radadave Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
more of a man than you could ever hope to be, dick brain
Don’t fight with the trolls Dave, they’re tougher than we think.
BTW did I ever tell you that I ♥ the way you post
March 15th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
wish the raiders had landed in hollywood park or city of industry instead of having to move back and then have to watch theirs forever, f, i hate sf and its little tweets
March 15th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Jhill…you got it all wrong when you say the “O” line does not have to be dominant. The “O” line functioned OK against a declining defense in Tampa Bay but against the better teams a less than dominant “O” line will not get far in the playoffs. The defences are just too good.
The Raiders “O” line could not run the ball against the better teams; hell they could not even run the ball against KC in the 2nd game. All the Superbowl teams of the Raiders had great “O” lines.
Henderson is still a work in progress. Gallery is still not stellar in his pass blocking. We have no reliable center, Carisle is long in the tooth and gets planted by the stronger DTs and Green cannot pass block consistently.
Go back and watch the tapes of Henderson and tell me he is the future at LT. Khaliff Barnes gave up 71/2 sacks and committed nine penalties last year not to mention his DUI. If he was worth keeping, the Jaquars would have resigned him. Plus, he brings alot of baggage with him. Al is so unsure of him that he only gave him a one year contract.
The Raiders are going nowhere until they get a solid “O” line in place. Their goal should be a dominant “O” line first to ensure the health of JR then work on the defence. Sign Pace if they could get him for a decent price and draft Andre Smith at #7 pick. Now the “O” line has more realistic competition at the OT position. Draft a center in the 2nd round and whom ever does not make the grade at tackle should compete at the guard position.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
man they seroiusly need to start a new thread. Can’t wait to see Cutler get traded.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Hey now.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
i read these blogs and all you guys sound like is a huge wish list . We should get this guy ,no lets get this guy ,no lets trade no do this . What happens happens.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
# alisgod (Pls draft Robiskie) Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
man they seroiusly need to start a new thread. Can’t wait to see Cutler get traded.
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Or cut outright.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
BEFORE THIS 40 TIME CRAP CAME UP ALL LAST SEASON EVERYONE HERE WANTED CRABTREE NOW OK LARRY F RUN A 4.6 TRADE 4 BOLDEN RAN A 4.7 N NOW CHRIST IF CRABTREE IS THERE AT 7 WE HAVE 2 TAKE HIM WE PASSED ON LARRY N JOHNSON N TRADED MOSS LINE WILL BE OK N WE STILL WILL SIGHN PACE.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
WV, why would you think the line will be OK?? We have arguably the worst line in the league, and we have added a bunch of other teams castoffs. And one thing you can take to the bank, is if a guy is any good on the line, other teams are not going to cast them off. (See, Harris, Kwame).
March 15th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
im loving the denver drama. if they trade cutler, i will be a huge mistake. our benefit for many years.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
NOW SIGHN TANK JOHNSON N PACE DRAFT CRABTREE WR N 2ND RD GET MACK C N 3RD BENTLEY MLB N 4TH FRANCIS CR TRADE SANDS 4 A 5TH TO GET BEST SLEEPER AT DE. AL IS GOING TO ALSO WATCH WHO GETS CUT LATE TO SAVE CASH THIS SEASON N NEXT YEAR UNCAPPED GO GET WHAT EVER HE WANTS HE IS GOD OR SATEN U CHOOSE.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Cun tler does not have a winning record. He is not a winner. Jamarcus Russell had a of 25-4 as a starter in the SEC. Funny thing is Denver will probably wake up that this guy is NOT John Elway about 3 years from now when they have sucked cokk for the entire time he has been underneath center.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
barnes is weak… maybe he can zone block better than man.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
f this long azz thread
March 15th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
f this long azz thread
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Leave then. You can always go peddle your ass out on Colfax in Denver like maddenraider does
March 15th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
806…good post. funny schytt…someone needed to tell him to stfu.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
any chance the lions would trade calvin johnson for the raiders #7
raiders get the receiver they want and need
lions get second #1 in the top 7 picks and 3rd in the first round.
Lions could get
Lb with #1 Curry
qb with #7 Stafford
Wr with #20 Heyward-Bey
plus they have the #1 in round 2
March 15th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
we aint getting calvin johnson..that would be an admission by al crazy davis that he made a mistake not selecting him. Lions are going to be involved with tampa to get Cutler. One of those two teams are going to get Cutler and we raider fans couldnt be happier with Simms as Denver’s starting qb. what an offseason.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
# Some Gay Dude In Denver Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
# Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
f this long azz thread
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Leave then. You can always go peddle your ass out on Colfax in Denver like maddenraider does
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LMFAO. yeah, pal, you won’t make any money because maddenidiot probably gives it away for free.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Why would they give up on Calvin Johnson? Everyone who wants to trade down, name a trading partner and why. I always love when people here say we should trade Fargas to Indianapolis for Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney and Indy’s 1st, 2nd and 3rd round choices.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
MR’s Troll Patrol Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Why would they give up on Calvin Johnson? Everyone who wants to trade down, name a trading partner and why. I always love when people here say we should trade Fargas to Indianapolis for Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney and Indy’s 1st, 2nd and 3rd round choices.
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What is so silly is that people talk about all these wishlist but they never take Al Davis tendencies into the equation. Al does not trade down. Al loves speed. Al like to do crazy things. I would not be surprised to see Al take Mack at 7 just to rock the nfl.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Alisgod, you are exactly right. Which is why some of the mock drafts have everything going one way, and then when it is time for the Raiders to choose, they make a crazy choice. Davis, for the most part, does not do that. One thing Al does like is value, and Mack at #7 is not value.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I like Robiskie too, that’s our Larry Fitz. He grew up a Raider fan, and was around the organization when his father was part of our coaching staff. His father is a WR coach, and the kid has size and leaping ability. I don’t see how we can draft him, he will not last past the 2nd, and I think we draft a center there.
March 15th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
First!
March 15th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
The Al Davis loyalists have ruined this blog. Oh well, back to Colfax Avenue and maybe I can scrape up a twenty.
March 15th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
^^Oops
March 15th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
818th Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
March 15th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I like all kinds . but black are the best
March 15th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Let’s not forget when Janikowski was picked!
To all of you who like to ponder about what Al might and might not do in the draft…
Here’s my take though. If he is leaning toward WR, which with the number of WRs we already have on the team, we wouldn’t need one besides for the playmaker factor, which Higgins seems to be getting used to by the way, let’s not forget, last year we had a full stable of RBs and when McFadden fell to us, we took him. Who happened to be the pick all along apparently… I wonder who #2 was… And to pisss you all off, I think it won’t be Crabtree who we take, but either Maclin or Heyward. I know, I’m not breaking any new ground with this, but I just thought the Janikowski reference was a good reminder about Al’s “tendencies”…
March 15th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Barnes can compete at LT but I think it’s Marios job to lose….which he may if he blows it.
I’m looking for Barnes to start at RT.
Crabtree should be the pick if he is there….if not I say TRADE DOWN!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:22 am
For the last time we are not taking a WR at #7 I don’t care what that rump ranger COW says.
Who runs the Raider’s Al Davis or some pathetic lonely little man that lives in his mother’s basement and posts on this blog?
March 16th, 2009 at 12:26 am
THIS IS A HO THAT PREFERS ANOTHER HO, YO. HER AND HER BOYFRIEND, NANCY “GAY” LOVE TO MUNCH SOME SERIOUS RUG AT NINER GAMES!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:30 am
i am truly a dk smoker form way back. but im sure yall know that already
March 16th, 2009 at 12:34 am
i wished this was like the niner forums, i always get action from the fans over there.
still having problems sitting from my last ‘meeting’ with a niner fan.
u raider types arent much fun that way, brien & a cpl of others being the exception of course.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:40 am
666 as i have said, & im sure its obvious, i am pathetic & little(especially were it counts) & i live in my mommies basement(she wont let me leave) but unless having a cam in al davis toilet counts, i have no say in running the orginiastion.
i got to say al does get the runs a lot tho. had to re-install the camera after he destroyed one with an explosive session….
March 16th, 2009 at 12:41 am
oh, you werent talking to me. sorry. i understand y u guys ignore my idiotic posts, but it still hurts…
March 16th, 2009 at 12:43 am
yoo hoo. anybody home?
well im of to the niners forums im kinda thirsty for some protein drinks & there is always some action to be had over there.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:52 am
You know what, I give up I admit it I LOVE kok more than life itself, Dakota, oakglenn, mr, 24, 666, and every1 else who has a kok I am having a 5$ special behind the mcdonalds closest to the collesium 5$ buys u 20 minutes of :0.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Oh sorry must be at least 7″ there is also some perks to this special. Make me choke and it’s free
March 16th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I fell you troll queef, but for 9.99 + tax I will really feel you
March 16th, 2009 at 3:00 am
What do you guys think of that qb from USC? I’d love to give him a DIRTY SANCHEZ
March 16th, 2009 at 3:02 am
8::::::::::::::::} o: ok!
to small
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March 16th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Subway is not the only 1 with a 5$ footlong.
Btw last years results
Dakota: 4″
S&b: 3″
24: 4.5″
Oakglenn: 3.2″ (dissapointment)
ALS sagging jaw: ask me in 20 minutes
Me: 3″ (I’m exaggerating of course)
Me (after extenze): 3.1″ (still exaggerating)
March 16th, 2009 at 3:12 am
About that 5$ footlong comment I was referring to the up and coming soon to be hall of famer Tyler thigpen aka thickindapen(is)
March 16th, 2009 at 3:59 am
The stuff that passes for trolling now a days. Weak sauce. King of the Trolls and maddentroller must be rolling around in their graves.
March 16th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
March 16th, 2009 at 4:24 am
good morning 4eva…
off to work shortly… take care…
March 16th, 2009 at 4:27 am
U2 Pete =)
March 16th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
4eva, Dirt Lot, Rockstar, LMN…
What’s up fellas?
Khalif Barnes? That’s good that he only signed a one year deal. Haven’t read the deal yet, but hopefully it works out.
March 16th, 2009 at 5:46 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,U HERE ALL BY YOUR SELF 4EVA,HOW WAS YOUR WEEKEND ?
March 16th, 2009 at 5:51 am
HEY HWNDR,WHAT’S UP ? THE RAIDER’S WILL AQUIRE /SIGN A LEFT TACKLE A YEAR UNTIL ONR WORK’S OUT, FINALY DUMPING BARRY SIMS TO HARRISS TO NOW MR.BARNES..
March 16th, 2009 at 5:54 am
I guess so, Dirt Lot. remember in the opener a couple years ago when Barry Simms will confess that he was always a Riader?
How was your weekend? Too short was mine…isn’t it all?
March 16th, 2009 at 5:59 am
morning Hwnrdr
yep Barnes can push Mario but I dont think he can beat him out.And another thing,if a player “always” plays harder in a contract year,that tells me he dosent play as hard as he can the “other” years of a multi-years contract.Imo there should be more of these types of contracts and if said player comes up big,his new contract should be incentive laden and be for 3 years max,then time 2 re-negotiate.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:01 am
GREAT WEEKEND, FINALY GOT TAX’S TAKEN CARE OF,READY 4 BASEBALL TO GET GOING, NFL DRAFT..
March 16th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Good point 4eva. A player that plays hard in his contract year is either wnating to go to a new team, or is lazy and only wants to play hard when the numbers count. Sad state that all sports are in now, comparing to back in the day when everything was fun to watch, and not a business!
March 16th, 2009 at 6:04 am
week-end was uneventfull but happy
March 16th, 2009 at 6:05 am
and your’s Dirt Lot???
March 16th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Isn’t it time that Jerry wakes up and get another post going? This blog is gonna hit a thousand by 8-9 AM.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:12 am
L M N MUST BE HUNG-OVER..
March 16th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Posts 824-835 were mine. Since I have degrees from MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Brown I thought a little reverse psycology would show you idiots how irrevelant that your posting is.
For those who want to talk football my Insiders tell me that there will be a trade for Cutler by the end of the week. They have Cutler and Schefler going to the queefs for Cassell and LJ. You can take it to the bank.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Seriously?
March 16th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Here’s some good news…if its true (hopefully)…
Multiple Raiders officials are saying that Michael Bush is no longer on the trading block.
Bush is expected to be part of the Raiders’ “three-helmeted rushing attack” next season, so it looks like the fullback experiment has been scrapped for good. We expect Bush to have a larger role in the Oakland backfield in 2009.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
March 16th, 2009 at 6:35 am
WE ARE OFF TO SEE THE WIZARD-THE WONDERFULL WIZARD OF OZ….
March 16th, 2009 at 6:36 am
“I think this is a great opportunity and place for me to start fresh,” Barnes told ESPN’s John Clayton. “I’m excited to be part of helping this franchise get back on top and I will have a shot to be the starter at left tackle and that’s all I can ask for.
“I have a lot to prove and I’m betting on myself by agreeing to a one-year contract. (Raiders owner) Mr. (Al) Davis has a track record of taking care of his own guys, and he promised me the same, if I take care of my business on and off the field.”
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wow. is this the same Khalif Barnes?
March 16th, 2009 at 6:39 am
THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR HWNDR,A TOP NOTCH STARTER OR TWO IN DRAFT THIS TEAM IS BUILDING AND ON IT’S WAY,STILL A WAY’S TO GO BUT..
March 16th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Barnes is regarded as a talented tackle. Still, there’s pause for concern if a player who is 26, in his prime and doesn’t have any major injuries has difficulty finding a job.
ESPN reported that the deal is for $1.2 million. That’s one heck of a bargain for a left offensive tackle. That is, if Barnes blocks well in the running game and keeps quarterback JaMarcus Russell from getting waylaid by defensive ends and linebackers.
Barnes’ deal is expected to be approved by the league office Monday morning, at which time the Raiders will send out a release and make like Barnes just signed.
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I guess he finally lowered his price
March 16th, 2009 at 6:42 am
‘MORNING ROCKSTAR..
March 16th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Kiffin got clowned by Al Davis again. HAHA!
March 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Yup, stil a ways to go, but…
We shall see waht the Cable guy can do with a full training camp under his belt…
March 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
good morning Dirt Lot
March 16th, 2009 at 6:45 am
what are the odds the raiders continue to pursue marvel smith? We definitely need another tackle and smith would give us a 4th to make things REAL competitive.
Nobody deserves a free pass. If Super Mario Henderson is who we think he is….he’ll prove it and beat out the others for one of the tackle spots.
Just my opinion……
March 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
…and where is this wizzard that you speak of Dirt Lot? LOL
March 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Both Lombardi and Mayock now have the Raiders taking Andre Smith at No7. Smart move – he would make a killer RT and might mature into a great LT.
That would give us the following options:
LT: Barnes or Henderson
LG: Gallery or McQuistan
C: Wade or Morris
RG: Carlisle or Marten
RT: Smith or Pears or Green
A serious upgrade on 2008. We still need another Center – Mack or Woods or Unger or Luigs?
March 16th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Still waiting to see if Cutler ends up with the Titans as I predicted. Lost in all the Kiffin/Davis drama is how Mike Taylor turned on Kiffin. The deposition will most likely be a fraud because Kiffin will lie his way out of that one too.
March 16th, 2009 at 6:56 am
That would be good. Just hoping that we also get some D- Line in there, too. We gotta run and stop the run to be successful, as we all know…
March 16th, 2009 at 6:57 am
I DONT KNOW HWNDR,HE IS OFF LOOKING FOR SOME STUPID RING OR SOMETHING…OOOPS !!! WRONG STORY, DONT THE RAIDER’S ALMOST HAVE TO GO WIDE-OUT OR D LINE NOW ?
March 16th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Smith at 7 or trade back and take Mack.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:05 am
How is Lane going to answer for trying a 76 yard field goal into the wind?
March 16th, 2009 at 7:08 am
I agree Dirt Lot. This could be interesting heading into the Draft!
Thanks for all of that info on Barnes signing Rockstar. We could always count on you in the AM…
March 16th, 2009 at 7:11 am
You guys should take a look at the past few years of mock drafts and compare them to what actaully happened. They are not very accurate after the first 4 or 5 picks.
With that said I think it would make zero sense to draft an OT at 7 on top of adding Barnes and Pears. If OT is the plan in the draft then we should have signed a C, or DE instead of these guys. Too many holes to be stacking up at one spot.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Today is the first day off offseason workouts, so I think we’ll start to see some things shake out by the end of the month.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Now the Raiders have 6 tackles, 3 gaurds and 2 centers but thats assuming their website forgot that Kiffin moved McQuistan to left tackle to spite Davis.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Good Morning JHill,
With that being said, who do you think Al and Cable go with at #7? …and since this has been an uncharacteristic year, do you thik Al will trade down? Like I said, this could be interesting…
March 16th, 2009 at 7:16 am
The problem is if Smith is there he is better than anyone the Raiders currently have at gaurd or tackle.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Just read on rotoworld that Detroit is planning on going with LT as their #1. This may shake up the top 5. If Detroit does go with Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe, and leaves Stafford out there, what do think will happen? You think the Rams take Stafford at #2?
March 16th, 2009 at 7:29 am
good morning Hwnrdr
wasn’t thrilled about getting Barnes. glad that it’s a cheap deal and only for 1 year. He wants to prove himself. Let him …
What’s most important? Davis actually caved on something!
March 16th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Man thin-mints and somoas are da BOMB
March 16th, 2009 at 7:31 am
just to let you guys know, it’s going to be a CRAZY work day. I’ll be coming to check in every so often, so if you ask me a question, I’ll eventually respond, but maybe not right away …
love the AM crew!
March 16th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I hear ya Rockstar, this may be the last post for awhile. The Monday morning crew is starting to file in here so I be right back…
March 16th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Wassup Hwnrdr,
To be honest man, I have no frickin idea what we are going to do at 7. This has been such an un-Raider like offseason that I can’t actaully tell. The question is, are we really going to go with our young guys this year, or not?
Young guys who COULD get a shot are Shields, Bowie, Henderson, Schillens, Morris, McQuistan, Scott, Strong, Branch, Brown, Reece, and Gunhiem.
If these guys are given a legitimate shot at winning jobs and getting on the field, you have to imagine that there are 3 or 4 players in that group who could sieze the opportunity, if not more. I think those group of guys are going to have a huge impact on how we actaully draft.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
We really need a decent backup QB now if they promised the guy we wouldn’t draft a OT ? JaMarcus hopefully woun’t get injured with our current OTs, I say frick them all and draft two OTs in the 2nd and 3rd!
March 16th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Watched the film on Barnes against the Ravens recently,
it’s easy to see what Cable sees in him.
Super quick feet, great punch and really took it to the Ravens in the second level.
He had to get out of Jacksonville, as he called it a dirthole town while he was in custody with a Jacksonville cop.
All caught on tape and broadcast all over town.
This was a steal, even for depth.
March 16th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Okay, one last post then I’ll brb:
Whats up JHill,
That’s why I think that Al will do the un-Raider like move and trade down. What else can really surprise us? He already move up before, but hasn’t it all not work before? I know of the Pace move by the Rams because Al wanted him, and they snatched him. I give up too JHill. I guess we just gotta wait and see!!
March 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
WELL DONE
March 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
yep it is definitely time 2 STEP-UP!!! I hope Morris does step-up.He is in his 4th year so now is the time.Even if he blows everyone away,we still only have 2 Centers.Still want Mack
March 16th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Morris needs to eat some of your thin mints, he’s too small to be a starting C. He needs to learn to long snap so we can cut Jon Condominium.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Crabtree in Round 1, Unger in Round 2, SS in Round 3
booyah!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Morris is 6-4, 305 … I was looking at his pre draft reports b/c I really had no idea who the guy was, and I noticed his workout was better than Unger’s and right there with Wood. He put up 33 reps on the bench then, and he’s had 4 years in the league, 2 under Cable.
AND …
He’s leading DMAC and Fargas onto the field in the NFL Network commercial, LOL!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Jhill: plus Chris Morris got the highest score on the wonderlic test
March 16th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I mean, there has to be a reason why there has been zero activity at the C spot in FA, AND we just let Grove walk for nothing. Is it possible the answer is right here under our nose?
March 16th, 2009 at 8:22 am
A Spartan scored high on the Wonderlic? Unbelievable. Still, he is smallish and much more of a finesse blocker. Standing next to his linemates he looks minute.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler and Coach Josh McDaniels were supposed to put out a brush fire Saturday that was threatening to consume the team. Instead, they fanned it into a raging inferno. Cutler has officially requested a trade, and he won’t show up Monday for McDaniels’s first team meeting of the off-season program.
It’s so sad. Ha ha ha ha
March 16th, 2009 at 8:26 am
‘The Jaguars have released wide receiver Matt Jones.
On a day when players returned to Jacksonville Municipal Stadium to undergo physical assessments that kick off new strength coach Luke Richesson’s conditioning program, Jones was cut by the team following a week in an Arkansas jail for violation of his probation. Thus ends an attempt to convert Jones from a college quarterback to a pro pass-catcher. He was the 21st overall pick of the 2005 draft.’ http://www.jaguars.com
I think we should grab Jones, he’s a great receiver with lots of potential, he’s just got a few issues… i think we should give offer him a 1 year deal to prove himself – just like with Barnes…
Anyone agree?
March 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Matt Jones is a joke. This guy blew his chance to be something special
I’d rather resign Drew Carter for the vet minimum than sign Jones for a ballboys salary.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
“I went in there with every intention of sucking his Dix, being a Bronco blow boy, moving forward on his cok as a Bronco. We weren’t in there but about 20 minutes and he came on my face, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I’m concerned, he made it clear he wants his own g@y’s. He admitted he was g@y, and he wanyed Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a coksu(ker, and quarterback. He said he wasn’t sorry about the mess he made in my hair. He made it clear that he could still entertain going another 20 min, and trading me because, as he put it, he’ll do whatever feels good to b@lls, and whatever is in the best interest of the G@y people of Denver.
“At the end of the meeting, he wasn’t like, ‘Jay, I want you on your knees, and as our quarterback, you’re our g@y.’ It felt like the opposite. and a $ex sl@ve.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Maybe he needs a change of scenery, Drew Carter wasn’t great last year, what do we have to lose on a 1 year deal? Little has been working so far at WR… Higgins shows promise but we need at least 2 decent receivers… Russell needs good guys round him to build his confidence and improve his accuracy..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Morris needs to eat some of your thin mints, he’s too small to be a starting C. He needs to learn to long snap so we can cut Jon Condominium.
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Jackson- morris is the back up LS and short snap player to Condo, how stupid are you, are you a real fan..why would you think Morris has the speed at 304 lbs to run down field and make plays in special teams like Condo does..the reason Condo is there dim wit.. special teams has excelled, thats why Cond plays dummy..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:36 am
the last thing Russell & McFadden need around them is a coke head from Arkansas …
March 16th, 2009 at 8:39 am
True..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 8:36 am
the last thing Russell & McFadden need around them is a coke head from Arkansas …
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Maybe thats exactly what Russell needs..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Maybe we should grab a WR in the draft and forget any more F.As – we should have gone after Nate Washington tho..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:40 am
sign jones.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:40 am
matt jones probably smokes crank. sign him now
March 16th, 2009 at 8:41 am
here’s the real article about Jay Cutler if anybody wants to read it …
http://sports.cbs5.com/fb/story.asp?i=20090316053115650000201&ref=rec&tm=&src=NFL
March 16th, 2009 at 8:42 am
No way UK!!!
Matt Jones is good, yeah, but his downside is major!
Carter, is a good man, i think we will see hm do more than Yvonne ever will…
we need to draft Robiskie in the 2nd! basta! =)
March 16th, 2009 at 8:44 am
now that the Lions got Julian Peterson, they won’t go after Aaron Curry.
now that the Seahawks got Cory Redding, they won’t go after BJ Raji.
Lions go for Stafford (unless Cutler gets traded there). Seahawks go OT
March 16th, 2009 at 8:44 am
No more WRs
We need to see what we have in Schillens, JLH, and Shields. We know Walker is going to cut into their reps, so 4 is enough. If Walker wasn’t restructured, then maybe we could being in another guy. But we’re already paying the guys on the roster, so let them perform!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:45 am
any here playing the madden 09?
ive just heard there is a great number in it… the hyperlink is that song, please tell me if ts true its in Madden!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 8:41 am
here’s the real article about Jay Cutler if anybody wants to read it …*******************************************************
http://sports.cbs5.com/fb/story.asp?i=20090316053115650000201&ref=rec&tm=&src=NFL
Sorry guy if I offended you. I did not know you were a Denver, Cutler, and g@y fan.
Dirty Raccoon Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
“I went in there with every intention of sucking his Dix, being a Bronco blow boy, moving forward on his cok as a Bronco. We weren’t in there but about 20 minutes and he came on my face, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I’m concerned, he made it clear he wants his own g@y’s. He admitted he was g@y, and he wanyed Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a coksu(ker, and quarterback. He said he wasn’t sorry about the mess he made in my hair. He made it clear that he could still entertain going another 20 min, and trading me because, as he put it, he’ll do whatever feels good to b@lls, and whatever is in the best interest of the G@y people of Denver.
“At the end of the meeting, he wasn’t like, ‘Jay, I want you on your knees, and as our quarterback, you’re our g@y.’ It felt like the opposite. and a $ex sl@ve.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:48 am
1. Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
2. Emanuel Cook, South Carolina
3. Kevin Ellison, USC
4. Clarence “Chip” Vaughn
5. Patrick Chung, Oregon
6. William Moore, Missouri
7. Stephen Hodge, TCU
8. Anthony Scirotto, Purdue
9. Otis Wiley, Michigan State
10. David Bruton, Notre Dame
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would any of these guys make a good strong safety for the Raiders?
March 16th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Jhill…
lol, you think JLH, Schilens and Shields will be feared by any CB’s?
and we all know Yvonne only is here because it would have cost us too much to let him go(what idiot, made that contract?)
March 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am
# La Milicia Negra Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 8:42 am
“No way UK!!!
Matt Jones is good, yeah, but his downside is major!
Carter, is a good man, i think we will see hm do more than Yvonne ever will…
we need to draft Robiskie in the 2nd! basta! =) ”
I agree!! Robiskie is immense and should be a fairly instant impact!!
IMO i think Robiskie should be a mid first round pick! Top 5 receiver! I’d rather grab him in 2nd than Crabtree in the first and i’m not even so sure about Maclin..
March 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Yep, all of them.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:52 am
I agree i think JLH isn’t consistent enough, he’d be good for screen plays and occasional long plays (for his speed) but we need a guy with awesome hands and decent route running with no attitude issues!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
4. Clarence “Chip” Vaughn would be very nice.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
We have to sort WRs out and grab a decent defensive tackle and then we should be at least looking at 7-9 this season… if Russell works hard this offseason and Cable keeps up the good work!
March 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Theyr already paying the WRs so let them play? Sheet, in that case I guess the Raiders shouldnt pick ANYBODY. Because I cant think of a single position where there are NO PLAYERS, unless there are some volunteers on the team I dont know about. Where do you people come up with this stuff? Unreal
March 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
5. Patrick Chung, Oregon, 2nd best.
March 16th, 2009 at 8:55 am
it great when the coach and owner work together.
chuck
March 16th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I love how people are justifying not taking a WR because “Chaz and JLH really came on the last 2 games”
Well hell, cant wait till the last two games of the 09 season so we can see them kick arse again! JLH is a good playmaker and would be an ideal number 3. The rest of the guys are fringe players who may or may not make another roster in the league if let go by the Raiders. Chaz Shillens is at best a 3 on a good NFL offense. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:01 am
lol, you think JLH, Schilens and Shields will be feared by any CB’s?
and we all know Yvonne only is here because it would have cost us too much to let him go(what idiot, made that contract?)
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If JLH and Schillens pick right up where they left off last year (1 TD each per game) then I think they will be doing what we need our WRs to do. I’m not quite sure what you mean, or are implying by CBs fearing our WRs. We just need for our WRs to be able to get open against the single coverage they will surely see with a healthy DMac and Bush pounding the rock. And how will we ever know what they can do if we keep bringing in other guys? Let them put a body of work together on the field and then judge them.
Javon Walker is what it is. He has a bad day on the anniversary of his friend taking a bullet to the neck and bleeding out in his lap. Forgive me if I’m not on the “pile on Walker” bandwagon. I have no problem with Walker as a possesion reciever.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:06 am
JHill,
How can you take a 2 game stretch and figure it for a whole season? 1 TD per game? Idiot, they were on the freakn team the whole year!! Not just two games. Russell has to have a number 1 guy, that guy is not on the team. The Raiders passing game is god awful and must improve, period
March 16th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I agree those guys are fringe or 3rd receivers…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:08 am
But theyre getting paid so let them play, right?LOL!!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Chris Morris & Chaz Schilens were both 7th round draft picks for the Raiders. If these guys become 16 game starters, I’ll be shocked.
So should all of those Raider fans saying Al Davis doesn’t draft well and doesn’t have an eye for talent, which includes pretty much everybody.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am
With the number 7 pick in the NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select…. NOBODY.
Al Davis- ” We already have paid players at every position, so we have no openings for drafted players.”
March 16th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Ok you guys are really trippin this morning …
We are a running team! Dmac and Bush are our big guns. We are not Indy or NE who sit back and throw the ball 40 times a game. We are not going to have WRs who get 8 catches a game for 120 yds and 2 TDs. Our offense is not designed for that. Miller will get 4 or 5 grabs, DMac will get 3 or 4 grabs out of the back field, and the WRS will probably get a combined 8 – 10 catches.
JRuss will be something like 19 for 27 220 yds 2tds with our RBs getting a combined 30-40 carries for 150-200 yds 2-3 Tds.
That’s your Tom Cable Oakland Raiders folks!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I think we can get through 2009 with our current group of wide receivers…lots of talent there that we have already invested in. We will never know if Walker can again be a 1000 yd. guy if we don’t play him; we won’t know if Schilens, Shields, or Higgins can be productive pros until they get their shot. Hell, even Watkins showed some promise. All four of those guys are still developing kids.
If just two of those youngsters step up we will be in good shape…three and we are set for years. Next January we will know who is NFL material, and whether to look outside the team for another WR.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Rockstar,
Name the last Pro Bowl player drafted by Al Davis?
Name the last player drafted by Al Davis to appear in a playoff game?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:12 am
You don’t draft a WR in the first round unless you are nearly a complete team.
(Hint: We are not nearly a complete team.)
Walker,Shillens,Higgins,Sheilds and maybe Carter are good enough for a run first team.
We will also throw to our backs more than most teams and we can and will use Dmac in the slot with Bush at tailback.
WR is a wasted pick on day one for the Raiders.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Havent been around lately so i dont know if anyone has seen this about Kiffin
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/m…asp?p=12540023
March 16th, 2009 at 9:16 am
we have the lowest paid OL & WR corps in the league …
Robert Gallery restructred his contract for like the 3rd time this offseason since being drafted. Walker took a huge paycut.
The rest of the guys on OL or WR are guys nobody else wanted. I suppose even Walker could be put on that list now.
How can we win games with scrubs on the o-line and WR corps? That doesn’t sound like the ideal formula to groom a franchise QB, surrounding him with bums, cast offs and guys who underperformed here or elsewhere …
Thats why I still think the Raiders will draft WR and OL in the first 2 rounds. Maybe Crabtree & Unger? or trade down in the 1st and get Mack and a WR in Round 2?
If the Raiders win 8 games this season Tom Cable should be named Coach of the Year.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:16 am
JHill,
In the NFL you have to be able to pass. Period. You have to have a legit threat at WR. Look no further than the last 2 Superbowls for evidence. Your rationale is a joke. How did that offense your speaking of work last year? Oh, I forgot. For two games it was electric! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I love how people are justifying not taking a WR because “Chaz and JLH really came on the last 2 games”
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If by people, you mean Al Davis then write him a letter to complain about it! What are you even talking about? You can’t understand the concept of letting the guys play who you drafted the year before? Amazing!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I pretty sure Fitzgerald was a round 1 pick to Arizona. Dont recall them being a compete team. You take the best player on the board. Just pass up a great player because your not a “complete” team. Wow!
Are all Raider fans so freakn retarted?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:20 am
How many good seasons has walker had in his career 2 and 5 bad or mediocre, too bad for him most of all his troubles have been his own fault possesion wr sure would rather just be done with him . And you don’t take a guys 2 game avg and try to say he would avg that all season.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Let garbage guys play, just because they were drafted in the 7th round? LOL!! You are a moron. Period.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
w/o Kurt Warner the Cardinals would be a joke…
He should have held them hostage for $15-20 million each year for 2 years. He’s not that kinda guy though
Matt Leinart couldn’t win 6 games for the Cards, let alone take them to the Super Bowl and have a shot at winning it!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:23 am
# Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I love how people are justifying not taking a WR because “Chaz and JLH really came on the last 2 games”
Well hell, cant wait till the last two games of the 09 season so we can see them kick arse again! JLH is a good playmaker and would be an ideal number 3. The rest of the guys are fringe players who may or may not make another roster in the league if let go by the Raiders. Chaz Shillens is at best a 3 on a good NFL offense. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
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Man, I get a kick out of it too. These folks need to step away from the koolaid bowl. 1 decent game at the end of the year, and they’re projecting everyone’s stats for next year all based on the 1 game. LMFAO! What a bunch of boobs.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:24 am
You put ANY of the current Raider WRs on a good team and they would not even SNIFF the field.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Great pickup. Barnes can compete w/ Pears/Mcquistan/Green on the right and Barnes/Pears can fill in on the left if Henderson falters. Depth is a good thing and Barnes might have been distracted with the offseason things last year bcuz he was a force his first year. Forget receiver, Russ can figure it out with Walker/Schilens/Sheilds/JLH/Miller/DMAC LET’S STOP THE RUN!!!!!!!! Broncos a mess, KC aint ready, and Norv can’t coach. AFC is ripe for the picking
March 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
How did that offense your speaking of work last year?
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Keep trying ….
Again, I’ll ask what are you talking about? Last year, or our young WRs getting an opportunity?
Last year? When? While Kiffin was calling the shots? The next 4 games while Knapp called the plays? The one game where Knapp called half the plays, and Cable the other half? Cable’s first 3 games calling plays on the NFL level, like EVER! The Denver game where DMac was the OC?
It really seems like you just want to argue, or I think they call it trolling, so whatever! I play your game … Let’s go! Where’s LMN?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
In 5 mins. the Broncos will hold a press conference concerning Jay cun+ler.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
JHill…
how will we pound the ball down the field, OO is outmore or less half of the season, we have lawton (yeahhhhhh) but he still isnt half off what Griffith were, we need to sign Leonard Weaver!
and CBs needs to fear a WR… JLH might be the answer in 2 years time, Shield too, only schilens showed some things that convinced me, that he has what it takes…
JLH does not have a strong mind, he questions every step he takes, he can only be good if he is confident, and there has been no signs of our players had something to be confident in..
players we missed in FA, Robert Royal, Jason Brown, Leonard Weaver, Kevin Shaffer… what the hell are the organization doing? arguing what color the cleats should be?? or something even less important…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Let garbage guys play, just because they were drafted in the 7th round? LOL!! You are a moron. Period.
what garbage guys are you talking about?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Javon Walker is what it is. He has a bad day on the anniversary of his friend taking a bullet to the neck and bleeding out in his lap. Forgive me if I’m not on the “pile on Walker” bandwagon. I have no problem with Walker as a possesion reciever.
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REALLY? You actually have no problem with a guy that basically ransacked your team for top 3 WR money and can’t get his act together. Ummmm…..ok.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Alisa
Prior to thinking you have found a gamebreaking WR you need:
A very solid QB that has consistently superior pass protection.
You need a solid dependable running game that keeps you out of third and longs.
You need a solid defense that allows you win the battle of field position.
The WR doesn’t make the system, the system makes the WR.
We had Moss and was he able to overcome the lack of the aforementioned prerequisites?
NO.
How did Johnson do with Detroit last year?
How about Ginn with the Dolphins in 07?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Rockstar,
How the hell do you know that? You a physcic?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Jhill…
im right here!?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
If we had a solid defense, I would eagerly consider drafting another WR to upgrade that talent. But simply switching DCs will not keep us from playing catch-up in most games. We did not strengthen the D in FA except at CB, so hopefully that means Al is eyeing the draft to give Marshall some help.
Draft a center, 2 UTs, DE, SLB, and a SS. Do not draft a RB, CB, TE, QB, FS, FB, or special teams player in the first six rounds.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Chaz Shillens
March 16th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Until the the “O” line is a dominant force drafting any other position with the higher picks is idiocracy. Unless there are consistent holes for the RBs and pass protection to give JR time to effect his reads in the pocket the offense will be ineffective, especially against the better teams in the NFL. Blaming Khalif Barnes ’s 7 1/2 sacks and 9 penalties last year on his fellow teammates is a cop out. You are either good enough to man up or you are not.
Barnes and Henderson at the tackles is a huge risk. Draft Andre Smith at #7, the best center avaiable in the 2nd will give the “O” line the competition it needs to grow into a force. Then go after the best guard in the draft if he is an upgrade over Carisle.
A dominant “O” line first automatically upgrades every other position and is the only way the Raiders break out of their losing culture.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Mcnabb doesn’t have a good receiving core, Giants don’t have a good receving core w/out Plaxico, Titans don’t have a good receiving core, Ravens don’t have a good receiving core…..
March 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
The Raider WRs are the WORST unit in the NFL.
Name a team with worse.
Therefore WR is the pick.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Are you actually claiming the Lions are worse off for drafting Johnson? WOW. That dude is a freakn beast and even to try and mention him to make your point is ludicrous
March 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I much rather post at night. Atleast the monitors don’t delete your posts then.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
iamapieceofpoop:
Matt Leinart has played in 21 games in 3 years. 14 TD’s, 17 INT’s, sacked 27 times
you think he’d fair just as well as Kurt Warner, the pro bowler and MVP candidate?
There’s a reason the Raiders passed on Leinart and it’s not because they thought Michael Huff was the next Ed Reed.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Good morning Nation.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
How does “pick up where they left off last year” turn into “projected what they will do for an entire season”?
You guys need to get back to your Fantasy Football leagues and leave the real football alone. Why are you even talking about Larry Fitzgerald or any other #1 WR? WTF difference does it make as none of those guy are on our frickin team! And Jeremy Maclin is NOT any of those guys! Niether is a 2nd rnd WR like Robiskie!
Crabtree will not be available when we pick, so ONCE AGAIN, WTF are U talking about?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
# Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
The Raider WRs are the WORST unit in the NFL.
Name a team with worse.
Therefore WR is the pick.
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“Therefore WR is the pick.” does that mean #7 pick or just in general??
does that mean Crabtree?
because I can go with a WR in 2nd, but not in 1st….
March 16th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Every team you mentioned have WAY better WRs than the Raiders.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I don’t want Jeremy Maclin. That dude is a BUST waiting to happen …
March 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I hope Craptree is gone by the 7th. Even if he is available you can bet Al won’t take him.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Jhill…
Im talking about JLH, Shilens or Shield on any good team would be the lone #4 receiver… and we have 3½ #4 receivers… thats how bad our WR corp is…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
you called chaz schilens garbage?why?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
RRS…
I dont want Maclin OR Crabtree… :/
March 16th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Oh, I didnt know Crabtree wouldnt be available. Damn! You must have a very good crystal ball to have such privelaged info. If Crabtree isnt there, then DONT draft a WR at 7. He is the only guy worth that high a pick.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:39 am
# blackdeath29 Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
you called chaz schilens garbage?why?
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who did that, it would so much easier to communicate with ya, if you addressed your questions…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:41 am
REALLY? You actually have no problem with a guy that basically ransacked your team for top 3 WR money and can’t get his act together. Ummmm…..ok.
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It’s lively in here this mng on the WRs, LOL!
Remind me of Walker did during the season that was a problem, other than get hurt?
This is laffs!
Are you guys really blaming the offensive troubles on our WRs?
Wait, I thought it was Kiffin?
No,no .. I thought it was the bafoon Greg Knapp?
Wasn’t it Russell’s accuracy?
OR was it Cable’s calling of Kiffin’s vanilla offense?
Curry dropping balls?
Kwame Harris and Cornell Green at tackle?
Russell was only a rookie?
Sorry if I lost track of all the excuses fellas!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:41 am
If we don’t play them, how will we ever know if Schilens, Walker, Higgins and Shields are our answer at WR? Last season was not a fair test for any of them because of:
> a very young QB who can’t even audible yet
> a porous line allowing little time to throw
> 3 playcallers, the first two of which stank
Give the kids (and the clown Javon) a fair test before calling them the worst in the NFL.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Because he isnt a number 1 or 2 NFL reciever. Garbage is a bit strong, but guys like him are littered all over practice squads all over the NFL
March 16th, 2009 at 9:43 am
The rest of the guys on OL or WR are guys nobody else wanted. I suppose even Walker could be put on that list now.
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RRS, What!
JLH, Shields, and Schillens are guys no one else wanted?!?!?
Wow!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Name a worst unit in the NFL
March 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
You dont wait and see if 7th rounders and guys on the IR all year can help. Thats how you end up the worst team in the league
March 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
BSJ…
and what is the fallback plan, if the 3 cards you are betting on are duds ? should we just fold the season, then?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:48 am
LMN,
I disagree with you on JLH. He was that way the first couple games, but he looked totally confident from the Buffalo game on.
You are confusing what I am saying (AGAIN)! I never made a predication on how successful our running attack would be, but we are going to run the ball. There’s no denying that DMac and Bush will be option 1 and 2 for the Raiders.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Yeah there is. Fargas will get more touches than Bush. Bush couldnt beat him out last year, wont beat him out this year.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jhill,
Try watching more than 2 games in a season so you actually have a clue.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
i can`t speak for shields he has not played yet.but jlh did not get to start till the new england game .and scored a touchdown 3 games in a row.schilens scored in 2 games too close the year.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:41 am
REALLY? You actually have no problem with a guy that basically ransacked your team for top 3 WR money and can’t get his act together. Ummmm…..ok.
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It’s lively in here this mng on the WRs, LOL!
Remind me of Walker did during the season that was a problem, other than get hurt?
This is laffs!
Are you guys really blaming the offensive troubles on our WRs?
Wait, I thought it was Kiffin?
No,no .. I thought it was the bafoon Greg Knapp?
Wasn’t it Russell’s accuracy?
OR was it Cable’s calling of Kiffin’s vanilla offense?
Curry dropping balls?
Kwame Harris and Cornell Green at tackle?
Russell was only a rookie?
Sorry if I lost track of all the excuses fellas!
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Bwahahaha, that was tons of excuses.. you didnt answer the Walker deal at all, so why post it??
to answer your rant above, its all Als fault, cant be others, Kiffin was gone, Al made Jawons deal, Al kept Gnapp as playcaller, though we all knew BEFORE he arrived in Oakland that he CANT playcall…so yup its Ala, its all Al fault, baby…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I want the beast player at 7, as long as it’s not a QB, CB, and OT.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Jhill,
You probably cant figure out HOW Shillens, Bush and JLH were not in the Pro Bolw last year, huh? I mean, damn, in the 2 games you watched they dominated!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Rockstar,
How the hell do you know that? You a physcic?
Same with you, you must be psychic also because you stated that none of our wr’s will even sniff the field on another team…That could be possible but…you never know. Not starting nothing with you, alis…
March 16th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
You dont wait and see if 7th rounders and guys on the IR all year can help. Thats how you end up the worst team in the league
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Schillens produced … Geeze! 6′4 225lb WRs who run in the 4.3s are not littered on practice squads around the league. We just drafted Shields and Schillens last year and they are already busts, LOL!
And I’m the one with the crystal ball?!?!?!
LMFAO at this guy!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am
When did your All Pro candidte Chaz get drafted again?
March 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Jhill,
Try watching more than 2 games in a season so you actually have a clue.
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Ok, I will .. Thanks!
March 16th, 2009 at 9:59 am
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
How does “pick up where they left off last year” turn into “projected what they will do for an entire season”?
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You said “If JLH and Schillens pick right up where they left off last year (1 TD each per game)”. Did you not? In there, it reads “1 TD each per game”. Are you not projecting?
On the Walker topic, he played until week 10, remember? He played and was MIA. Both with Kiffin and Cable. And quit redirecting the argument and changing the subject. This is about Walker – not about who’s to blame on the offense. I didn’t mention anything about the offense – we all know the problems there. You said you had no problem with Walker and I simply disagreed. 15 catches for 195 yards is not enough from top-3 money WR!!!! Even if it was just short of 10 weeks of play!! I can’t believe I even have to point this out. Even the Davis tea baggers can agree that Walker is a bust.
Looking forward to your response when you can change the subject again.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Jhill,
You probably cant figure out HOW Shillens, Bush and JLH were not in the Pro Bolw last year, huh? I mean, damn, in the 2 games you watched they dominated!
you have to be giving the chance to play.when giving that chance they responded.just like chris johnson?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Jhill,
You probably cant figure out HOW Shillens, Bush and JLH were not in the Pro Bolw last year, huh? I mean, damn, in the 2 games you watched they dominated!
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LOL …
Awww man, you are really trying to hang with the big boys, huh! Your material is so bad, though. Watch some games? Why aren’t they in the pro bowl?
Cmon kid, skip forward a few chapters in your “How to blog on the internet” book and see if there is any updated material.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
JHill,
don’t know why you’d bother to argue with pieceofpoop. He obviously has preconceived notions of haterism which are not about to budge.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I agree Jhill, we are going to be a run heavy team. We will run the ball and throw short to DMC, Bush, and Miller. For a team that has a great TE, and 2 good young RBs that can catch, you don’t need ( #1 WR). What we need is a few WRs that can stretch the field, and open the short and med passing game. Not every team is build like the Cards, and our team doesn’t need a lot of great WRs since we are a running team. Every team is built diff, and ours is good with the WR we have. A true possesion WR like robiskie would be nice, but in later rounds.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:05 am
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:48 am
LMN,
I disagree with you on JLH. He was that way the first couple games, but he looked totally confident from the Buffalo game on.
You are confusing what I am saying (AGAIN)! I never made a predication on how successful our running attack would be, but we are going to run the ball. There’s no denying that DMac and Bush will be option 1 and 2 for the Raiders.
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yeah we will be a run time, thats the horses we have in the stable, but the gameplan is the deep attack on order by the boss… btw you brought up the rungame, i didnt..
and our rungame will be worse than ‘07 thats for sure hopefully better than ‘08..
JLH showed something late in the season, but as soon as we heading for strong headwind he will lose his stamina and his confidence, had our team been in top 10 he might be probowl player… but not until our team and the surroundings are quiet and stable will he be something..
Shillens too, he is a great prospect, his head is more leveled, he can play if the world is against him, nice trade to have…
then there is Shields, maybe the best of them all, but hasnt shown anything yet, ANYTHING!
So all great prospects but no-one have ever showed anything… thats why our WR Corp is the weakest of all NFL teams.. so I feel its quite a reach to say those horses we have will be enough, because it only takes two games to prove if they aren’t, and then what?? then the season is over.. totally over… AGAIN…
March 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
You said “If JLH and Schillens pick right up where they left off last year (1 TD each per game)”. Did you not? In there, it reads “1 TD each per game”. Are you not projecting?
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Noooooooooooo …
Pick right up where they left off means pick right up where they left off. I have no reason to believe that they won’t continue the level of production they had for the last 3 games of the season. I’ll gladly listen to your argument, if you had one. They might not do it next year, when they actually produced last year is not an argument. Something along the lines of they got on the field and didn’t produce when given the opportunity is an argument. Not hypothertical they can’t play arguments. Base it on something!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am
When did your All Pro candidte Chaz get drafted again?
^^^^^^
Who is your favorite team nut boy and why are you here again??
March 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Try again. When was Chaz drafted? 1st, 2nd??
I mean if he is such a big time prospect it had to have been early, right?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
umm wheres the new post jerry? stop being such a douche bag
March 16th, 2009 at 10:12 am
They were on the team the WHOLE year man. They didnt produce. It wasnt like they were hurt and then came back and dominated. JLH played in every game. Shillens wasnt hurt, if he was so good, how did he not get more PT?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:14 am
On the Walker topic, he played until week 10, remember? He played and was MIA. Both with Kiffin and Cable. And quit redirecting the argument and changing the subject. This is about Walker – not about who’s to blame on the offense. I didn’t mention anything about the offense – we all know the problems there. You said you had no problem with Walker and I simply disagreed. 15 catches for 195 yards is not enough from top-3 money WR!!!! Even if it was just short of 10 weeks of play!! I can’t believe I even have to point this out. Even the Davis tea baggers can agree that Walker is a bust.
Looking forward to your response when you can change the subject again.
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I thought I would seperate this so you don’t get lost. I see you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, LOL!
I said I have no problem with Walker as a possesion WR, or something like that. I don’t feel like scrolling back up to see EXACTLY what I said. If you want to live on last year and talk about what he did or didn’t do last year then you can sit on the boat by yourself. THIS YEAR, 2 Mill a year is not #1 WR money. You acknowledge the problems on offense on one hand, but you throw them out the window to back up your point about Walker? For example, how many times did we even throw the ball against Buffalo? Walker didn’t get benched, Curry did.
Give me a break!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
M Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
JHill,
don’t know why you’d bother to argue with pieceofpoop. He obviously has preconceived notions of haterism which are not about to budge.
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It’s good to go against the practice dummies from time to time. You can’t always spar against the best.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Jhill..
if they pick up where the season ended, we will be in much better shape.. problem is, I dont believe any of our WR can focus on a season like they had to for the last two games…
JLH will fold as soon as he gets headwind… and we will get a lot of that, as long as Al is boss, he will make enough noise on the sideline to confuse and misdirect the team…
I hope your over-optimistic assessments of the WR corp holds water, because if not, we will lose more than we did in ‘08… and then its a new coach again and so on, you know the drill…
see ya all, take care gotta get home and make some dinner!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Hey everyone this is trey wingo from espns NFL live, just checking in if anyone wants to talk about Brett favre?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
DeMaurice Smith was elected NFLPA executive director, huh?
replacing Gene Upshaw is no easy task.
Maybe he can save the salary cap? I’d hate to see what players would make in an uncapped league.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:20 am
And the new millenium is rung in by JHill(Let The Young Guys Play). A fine how-do-you-do for the upcoming times.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:20 am
then there is Shields, maybe the best of them all, but hasnt shown anything yet, ANYTHING!
So all great prospects but no-one have ever showed anything… thats why our WR Corp is the weakest of all NFL teams.. so I feel its quite a reach to say those horses we have will be enough, because it only takes two games to prove if they aren’t, and then what?? then the season is over.. totally over… AGAIN…
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We just drafted Shields last year man, cmon!
And how does adding another prospect like Robiskie help? He hasn’t done anything either.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Trey Wingo is always on Mark Schlereth’s junk…
have an opinion or your own Trey and quit with the bromance!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Yeah, I figured you were the type that cant answer simple ??
March 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
you guys will be watching 2 WR’s blossom into their own this year,imo.I have every reason 2 believe they will pick up right where they left off.I just dont understand “some” cant agree and get behind our most explosive dynamic-duo.Man watching them just scratch the surface last year,we have EVERY reason 2B very excited about our WR’s,2 of them anyway
March 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
How about matt cassell stepping in after the great tom Brady goes down with the season ending surgery. Even throwing for back to back 400 yard games, even tom Brady great as he is has never done that. Matt cassell anyone?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
the only can’t miss WR in this years draft is Michael Crabtree.
If he’s not there at #7, don’t draft a WR at all this year … we have enough projects/development guys at WR
March 16th, 2009 at 10:24 am
RaiderRockStar,
I would hope that DeMaurice addresses the inadequacy of shelling out countless millions to unproven collegians while cutting vets for salary reasons (rookie cap a la the NBA), and somehow getting around to dealing with the grievances of former players.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Eric Barton signed with the Browns yesterday. any of you guys heart broken? i’m not …
March 16th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Heh heh. Maybe Phillip Rivers was right about Cutler being a baby. Takes one to know one I guess. Also, when are the Raiders OTA’s? Next week?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Come on JHill at least try and put up a fight.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I would hope that DeMaurice addresses the inadequacy of shelling out countless millions to unproven collegians while cutting vets for salary reasons (rookie cap a la the NBA), and somehow getting around to dealing with the grievances of former players.
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Agreed. When Matt Ryan was drafted last year, before he even took a snap he was the 3rd highest paid QB in the league. amazing…
March 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Someone anyone tell me a WR unit in the NFL that is WORSE than the Raiders. Come on Jhill, im waiting.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raiderrockstar, we all know how unnecessary that comment was, and besides when was the last time j.r. threw back to back 400 yard games? How about 1 400 yard game? A 300 yarder?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I highly doubt the team picks Andre Smith with the #7 pick now that Barnes is signed.
If they do pick him, then the money they would give him would be more than Barnes contract and they would be forced to start Smith no matter what at RT. Relugating Barnes to backup duty? Doesn’t make sense. Smith will not start over Carlisle at RG and Mario has to be the LT so far. Pears and Barnes will be compete at both LT and RT.
I just hope the team does NOT pick Maclin at #7. Way too high for a guy who is not a complete WR and who has the same skill set as JLH.
If Crabtree is there then the pick better be Crabtree or they better TRADE DOWN if they want Maclin, Oher, Mack, Ayers, or Maualuga.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am
1st round: LB Curry, if gone…draft C Mack.
2nd round: If we got Curry…take best C available.
If we got Mack….take best defensive player available that will be a starter for us.
1st two rounds are for getting starters…not “value”.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Remember, Cutler threw a hissie fit at the end of the game when we beat them in Denver. What was it, 4th down, and a possible int call…probably still wouldn’t have mattered anyways…refs probably wanted to end the game…
March 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Someone anyone??? Worse WRs in the NFL??
Drug Tester,
A center at 7?? Are you serious?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
I wanted Barton, he can play SLB. We can bring N Harris to compete with Brown.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Someone anyone tell me a WR unit in the NFL that is WORSE than the Raiders. Come on Jhill, im waiting.
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Are you really waiting? What are you doing while you’re waiting? Hopefully holding your breath!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Jhill….
“I thought I would seperate this so you don’t get lost.” There’s nothing to separate – we’re talking about Walker’s production and that alone. I don’t think *you* even know what you’re saying half the time. The only person lost here is you. I respond directly whereas you like to add things along the way.
“I don’t feel like scrolling back up to see EXACTLY what I said.” LMFAO! We’ll just leave it at that. Classic!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Sure…you get an above-average starter for the next 10 years in the heart of your offense.
What else do you want with the 7th pick overall?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
edward teach Says:
March 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Jhill… the only WR in this draft worth the #7 overall is Crabtree, in my opinion. Maclin is overrated. Not crazy overrated, but he’s not #7 overall, IMHO.
There was a guy from The University of Houston that I thought we should have grabbed if we had the chance a couple of years ago; Donnie Avery. Similar build and stats to Maclin, but he ran a 4.28 in college. Rams beat us to him, they took him at the top of the second (where we got Miller, so it’s not like we screwed up). I see Maclin as a similar player; Avery is a pretty good pro (actually took one or two kicks all the way back this year and caught 50 or so balls), but not nearly worth a pick that high.
It will interesting to see what happens if Crabtree’s gone at 7.
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Ed Tech,
If Crabtree is there at 7 I take him. If not, I would love for us to trade down. If we could another pick in the second we could get DL, Center and WR at some pretty high picks still. If we can’t get Crabtree I like like Nicks NC he has that fight about him good core and sense of balance. I just worry if Nicks was able to do more simply because there are two other pro WRs on that team as well. Between the three Nicks was the second best option.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
JHill,
Whats the matter? You feel bad because you just got owned? No answer for my questions? LOL! All I am looking for are simple answers.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
“I don’t feel like scrolling back up to see EXACTLY what I said.” LMFAO! We’ll just leave it at that. Classic!
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Yeah, like when you changed what I said about picking up where they left off to projecting that over an entire season. I had to scroll back up to my post to see what I said to try and understand WTF you were talking about!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I think Jerry is looking for Kiffin in the City.
Wiliam Joseph resigned, Justin Miller resigned first day of OTA’s. We need you Jerry.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Has a center EVER went that high? answer: NO
Will you be able to get a starting C in the 2nd? Yep
March 16th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Anybody besides LB Curry @ #7 is a reach and a guess (with issues).
Mack is as close to a sure-thing there is in the draft this year.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Yoo hoo… JHill. Where are you?
So, in other words, your saying that the team with the worst recievers in the league should NOT draft one in rd 1. OK, got it.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I want the best player at 7. Raji is a reach at 7th, and Orakpo is listed at 263 now. T Jackson is also a reach at 7th. I think Crab is the most over rated player since Adam Archuleta. WR getting chased down by LBs in a gimmick offense. What a joke!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I see we’re discussing WR’s in here. Here’s where we stand:
yes, we need another WR
our WR’s have shown some promise but they do need help
will we draft one? Anyone’s guess.
Oh, and anyone making a case for Javon Walker needs their head examined.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Trey Wingo: did Mark tell you to say that? you little sissy. Mike Hill does 100 times better than your Raider hating little weasel self
March 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Has a center EVER went that high? answer: NO
Will you be able to get a starting C in the 2nd? Yep
yes a center has gone that high but you have too go back a long time.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/media/pic-of-the-day/ this is great
March 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Not at 7. Hell, he aint even the consensus number 1 center. Unger from Oregon is ranked higher in some spots.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Yoo hoo… JHill. Where are you?
So, in other words, your saying that the team with the worst recievers in the league should NOT draft one in rd 1. OK, got it.
What is your point, dude? And if you do have a point, who cares?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
JHill,
Whats the matter? You feel bad because you just got owned? No answer for my questions? LOL! All I am looking for are simple answers.
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Too funny! Owned? WTF does that mean? Like I always say, let the masses be the judge. The way I see it, you and NoCal are on an Island by yourselves on this one. But it doesn’t surprise me that you see yourself as the winner. Of what, I’m not sure, but congrats! It’s your world dogg! LOL!
You’re being stupid! You know Chaz was a 7th rounder and Shields was a 4th rounder. So what’s your helluva point? 7th round picks and 4th round picks are garbage? Beacuse we picked them LAST YEAR in rounds other than 1 or 2, they must suck?
We already know what you are going to say before you post it. Like I said, your regurgitated material is far from an original thought!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Wiliam Joseph resigned, Justin Miller resigned first day of OTA’s. We need you Jerry.
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link please! or post the article …
March 16th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Rounds 3-7 are a crapshoot, don’t start shooting at crap in the 1st 2 rounds.
Take guys in the 1st & 2nd who will be starters for you as soon as you have picked them.
We aren’t in a position to take a flyer or make mistakes with 1st round money or take on any more projects.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:49 am
RaiderO,
Please inform me of a tape that shows Tree gettn caught by LBs. I have been looking but cant find it. Unless of course your talking out of your arse. Give me the game and I will check it out.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:50 am
BREAKING NEWS: the Denver broncos have just traded their #15 pick to the #11 pick in order to draft qb jay cutler to be the qb of the future. Wow and there are also rumors they will be trading a 2nd round pick for WR Javon walker of the green bay packers (Brett favres team) what a draft they are having.
P.s. Thanks mark for the update?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Raiders re-sign Miller, and others
It seems the Raiders have been busier in free agency than they care to say.
With no fanfare, with fanfare meaning any sort of announcement, the Raiders re-signed former Pro Bowl kick returner Justin Miller to a two-year contract. Like, um, more than a week ago.
“They must not have out it out there yet, I guess,” Miller said as he arrived at team headquarters Monday for the first day of offseason workouts.
But, wait there’s more.
Free agent defensive tackle William Joseph apparently isn’t a free agent anymore. He, too, showed up for work Monday after signing an undiclosed deal recently.
As for the class of restricted free agents, strongside linebacker Ricky Brown signed his $1.545 million tender sheet Thursday and reported for duty. Special teams players Jon Alston and Jon Condo also signed their own $1.01 million tenders, locking them in for one more year of service.
Miller’s signing should be considered a boon. A Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2006, he joined the Raiders midway through last season and immediately made a splash with two touchdown returns in seven games.
He averaged 24.8 yards on 32 returns while allowing Johnnie Lee Higgins to focus on punt returns after struggling with ball security on kicks. Miller visited with the Titans on March 4 before signing with the Raiders, who claimed him off waivers in November when the Jets cut him.
Rookie safety Tyvon Branch won the kick return job in training camp but was sidelined by hand and shoulder injuries. Miller and Branch will likely compete for the kick return job in camp.
For an updated look at what the Raiders have done in free agency, click here.
Posted By: David White (Email) | March 16 2009 at 09:43 AM
March 16th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Raiders re-sign Miller, and others
It seems the Raiders have been busier in free agency than they care to say.
With no fanfare, with fanfare meaning any sort of announcement, the Raiders re-signed former Pro Bowl kick returner Justin Miller to a two-year contract. Like, um, more than a week ago.
“They must not have out it out there yet, I guess,” Miller said as he arrived at team headquarters Monday for the first day of offseason workouts.
But, wait there’s more.
Free agent defensive tackle William Joseph apparently isn’t a free agent anymore. He, too, showed up for work Monday after signing an undiclosed deal recently.
As for the class of restricted free agents, strongside linebacker Ricky Brown signed his $1.545 million tender sheet Thursday and reported for duty. Special teams players Jon Alston and Jon Condo also signed their own $1.01 million tenders, locking them in for one more year of service.
Miller’s signing should be considered a boon. A Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2006, he joined the Raiders midway through last season and immediately made a splash with two touchdown returns in seven games.
He averaged 24.8 yards on 32 returns while allowing Johnnie Lee Higgins to focus on punt returns after struggling with ball security on kicks. Miller visited with the Titans on March 4 before signing with the Raiders, who claimed him off waivers in November when the Jets cut him.
Rookie safety Tyvon Branch won the kick return job in training camp but was sidelined by hand and shoulder injuries. Miller and Branch will likely compete for the kick return job in camp.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Thanks Hubbard!
glad to have Justin Miller back!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Crab is a good WR, but for a player who lacks ideal size and speed at the WR, he is a huge reach at 7th. And people, you should stop reffering to other mocks, Mel K, and Mayock as the experts. If they where so good, they would have been employed in the NFL scouting for teams. They never got a Mock draft right and they never will.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Last week, the Oakland Raiders’ P.R. department worked overtime in the ongoing effort against former coach Lane Kiffin, sending to multiple media members (including folks who cover some of Tennessee’s rivals in the SEC) a letter from the Raiders to the president of the University of Tennessee, alleging all sorts of misbehavior by the Vols’ new head coach.
Meanwhile, the Raiders haven’t bothered to tell anyone that three players recently have re-signed.
According to David White of the San Francisco Chronicle, cornerback Justin Miller signed a two-year deal more than a week ago. Likewise, defensive tackle William Joseph showed up for offseason workouts after recently signing a new deal.
And three restricted free agents signed their tender offers: linebacker Ricky Brown ($1.545 million); linebacker Jon Alson ($1.01 million); and long snapper Jon Condo ($1.01 million).
Typically, the Oakland Raiders publicize their transactions merely by updating quietly the “Transactions” page on their web site. But these transactions have yet to appear even there.
Apparently, trashing a former head coach in the press is a lot harder than it looks.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Why are any of you talking to maddenloser??? He is a bronco fan. And a dumb bronco fan at that.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:55 am
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/16/raiders-continue-to-not-announce-personnel-moves/
March 16th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Thanks blackdeath29!
Tyvon Branch will get some time as a d-back now. Higgins can focus on WR & PR and leave KR to the Miller. woohoo!
where does Louis Rankin fit in? practice squad?
March 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am
CJLegend34… I agree with you about not wasting a pick on a WR at 7 if Crabtree is gone. I know others have said trading down isn’t going to happen, but if one of those OTs is still on the board at 7 somebody’s going to call Al and want to move up. Unless there’s somebody left that he wants that high I don’t see the problem with considering it.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:58 am
RaiderO,
He and Curry are the consensus number 1 prospects overall. How the hell can you claim hes a reach at 7.
I am ready for the game where Crabtree got caught by a LB. Ready to watch. Game please? Texas, UO, Baylor??
March 16th, 2009 at 10:58 am
BREAKING NEWS: raiderrockstar apparently likes both the raiders but there is a 1/10000 shot that he is a rockstar……mark just reported….from sources provided by chris mortensen – morty.
March 16th, 2009 at 10:59 am
HEY FELLAS! LANCE IS BACK IN SF FOR HIS DEPOSITION BY DAY, DEEP DlCK DIGGIN BY NIGHT. HE’LL BE MAKING PUBIC APPEARENCES ALL NIGHT AT ALL OF HIS OLD HAUNTS INCLUDING: THE STUD, THE EAGLE, THE WHITE HORSE (FOR ALL OF YOU EAST BAY FRUITS), THE BEAR, THE FIST, AND CITY HALL!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Eric Barton signed with the Browns yesterday. any of you guys heart broken? i’m not …
Not broken, but I really likes that guy when he was ours.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Hubbard Run Me Throw Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Raiders re-sign Miller, and others
It seems the Raiders have been busier in free agency than they care to say.
With no fanfare, with fanfare meaning any sort of announcement, the Raiders re-signed former Pro Bowl kick returner Justin Miller to a two-year contract. Like, um, more than a week ago.
“They must not have out it out there yet, I guess,” Miller said as he arrived at team headquarters Monday for the first day of offseason workouts.
But, wait there’s more.
Free agent defensive tackle William Joseph apparently isn’t a free agent anymore. He, too, showed up for work Monday after signing an undiclosed deal recently.
As for the class of restricted free agents, strongside linebacker Ricky Brown signed his $1.545 million tender sheet Thursday and reported for duty. Special teams players Jon Alston and Jon Condo also signed their own $1.01 million tenders, locking them in for one more year of service.
Miller’s signing should be considered a boon. A Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2006, he joined the Raiders midway through last season and immediately made a splash with two touchdown returns in seven games.
He averaged 24.8 yards on 32 returns while allowing Johnnie Lee Higgins to focus on punt returns after struggling with ball security on kicks. Miller visited with the Titans on March 4 before signing with the Raiders, who claimed him off waivers in November when the Jets cut him.
Rookie safety Tyvon Branch won the kick return job in training camp but was sidelined by hand and shoulder injuries. Miller and Branch will likely compete for the kick return job in camp.
For an updated look at what the Raiders have done in free agency, click here.
Posted By: David White (Email) | March 16 2009 at 09:43 AM
^^^^Yep yep! Yalls Trippin told us this last week.
Good resigning.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:03 am
# Alisapieceofpoop Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Yoo hoo… JHill. Where are you?
So, in other words, your saying that the team with the worst recievers in the league should NOT draft one in rd 1. OK, got it.
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Al is not poop. You are. You had a “rookie” QB throwing to one rookie WR and one second year WR. In what universe are guys like this going to come into the NFL and light it up? What you want to see is improvement. They improved. Greatly. Now go lick Al’s azz.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I posted last week that we signed Miller, and I asked Jerry to do his job.
Jerry,
Many if your posts are not even news, so others on this blog have to post the news for you. I asked you before to do your job sir, and post real news instead of this Kiffin Crap. Your better than that Jerry, so do your job sir.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Raider O ignore that moron. It’s maddenloser the bronco fan here to cause problems. He should start posting as others any second now.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Matt cassell vs tom Brady what a match to watch, 25/30minutes of my show will highlight that match
March 16th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Michael Crabtree is the MAN and he will just get better as he gets stronger and his body matures!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Uh, oh S&B
We have 4 DTs on the roster now!
JLH , Branch, and Miller? No Percy Harvin or Maclin either! Part of Maclin and Harvin’s appeal is as return guys.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:08 am
BREAKING NEWS: Trey Wingo looks like a bird. Wendi Nix even does a better job as host than him. there is a 1/10000 shot that he has lost his virginity, mark just reported. Mort still doesn’t check his sources before breaking an annoucement. I should send him an e-mail stating “Chris, Jay Cutler was just traded to the Bucs in exchange for Luke McCown and a 1st round pick”
that story would be on PFT and ESPN faster than Mark Schlereth could put on a pink dress shirt
March 16th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Sands Kelly Joseph Warren, so where does it read that BJ is gonna be added to the mix? Nowhere.
Henderson Barnes Green Pears McQuistan, so where does it read that an OT is gonna be added to the mix? Nowhere.
Center, Safety, Defensive End are unaddressed.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
See ya all later…people are posting the same crap over and over again.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Uh, oh S&B
We have 4 DTs on the roster now!
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LOL. I was thinking the same thing Jhill, but I didn’t want to say “I told you so” , because S&B is a cool guy
March 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Apparently, trashing a former head coach in the press is a lot harder than it looks.
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That’s some funny chit. Al Davis is a child. He’s too busy thumbing his nose and saying “neeener neeener neeeener” to worry about daily operations and press releases.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Hey lance wanna meet at the rainforest cafe in sf. Trent just blew me off
March 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Center, Safety, Defensive End are unaddressed.
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neither was WR. We lost Curry, Carter & Lelie too
Walker landed on IR last year. Shields spent the entire season on IR. Schilens was banged up for a few games. Watkins & Holland haven’t shown any glimpses of anything special. Higgins most impressive body of work comes from punt returns. Hard to project that a guy who caught 22 passes last year and only 6 the year before is capable of a 60-100 catch season as a #1 WR, isn’t it?
Crabtree wouldn’t be needed here? really?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Do you guys think Al will draft a C in the 7th ( he drafted 2 punters and 1 kicker in the 1st round before)?? I hope not I like all the players we signed other than DT William J, and OLB Brown.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:17 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
See ya all later…people are posting the same crap over and over again.
We will miss you sweetheart.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Raiderrockstar, jealousy has took you by suprise hasn’t it, how would you know about markys pink dress shirt? And I did lose my virginity….to your mom, then again to your girlfriend.
now then who wants to talk about the new England patriots?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Let me aks you guys a question. If the donkeys offered Al to trade Cutler straight across for JR, how many of you would turn that trade down?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Raider O:
Ricky Brown is a tackling machine. I hope we don’t waste a high draft pick on a linebacker!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I like the Miller signing, but signing Joseph makes no sense to me. The Raiders were at the bottom of the league last year against the run, yet they have made no changes.
The only change they attempted to make was the LB from Dallas.
By signing Joseph, the Raiders now have 4 DTs on the roster. Those of you hoping for Raji can hang it up. I doubt the Raiders will carry 5 DTs.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
how would you know about markys pink dress shirt?
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because I watch NFL Live you dope. Trey Wingo is garbage
March 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
This may have already been discussed, but:
We should pick up Matt Jones for vet minimum, regardless of pending league suspensions. This would fall into the category of being one of Al’s famous reclamation projects, especially since Jones’ only sin is being a heavy partier.
Jones is big and tough in the middle, the kind of WR that would complement Miller well and open up Higgins, Schilens and Walker to make big plays.
With Jones and Porter being cut from the Jags, it is a sure bet that they will be going after Michael Crabtree hard in the draft. As we own the pick right before them, we hold the key to their future and could leverage it against them for maximum gain (assuming Crabtree survives to pick #7).
March 16th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Crabtree wouldn’t be needed here? really?
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Certainly, but he won’t be there at 7. Niether will Curry, Orakpo, Monroe, or Jason Smith.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:23 am
I couldn’t find a real job so I took a job with raiderrockstar. I am know treyrockstar
March 16th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Do you guys think Al will draft a C in the 7th ( he drafted 2 punters and 1 kicker in the 1st round before)?? I hope not I like all the players we signed other than DT William J, and OLB Brown.*********************************************************************************************************
Not at 7. More like 15. Or best of the leftovers in the second.
I say Oher around 11-15, and Mack about 24.
In the end as long as we get value, and the correct tackle, and center it does not matter where or how we get them, as long as we get them. We MUST set JMAC up to succeed! It all starts with the O-LINE, a great O-line make everyone around look better, QB,WR,RB,FB,TE,and it helps the entire D by keeping them well rested with long drives.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Raider O, I thought it was Y’alls Trippin that broke the news on the Justin Miller signing…and no one mentioned William Joseph, did they?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I guess Jerry and his team pay less attention to what’s going on wih the team than they do with the trolls on this site. Great job Mr. Beat Writer! From the Chronicle:
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Raiders re-sign Miller, and others
It seems the Raiders have been busier in free agency than they care to say.
With no fanfare, with fanfare meaning any sort of announcement, the Raiders re-signed former Pro Bowl kick returner Justin Miller to a two-year contract. Like, um, more than a week ago.
“They must not have out it out there yet, I guess,” Miller said as he arrived at team headquarters Monday for the first day of offseason workouts.
But, wait there’s more.
Free agent defensive tackle William Joseph apparently isn’t a free agent anymore. He, too, showed up for work Monday after signing an undiclosed deal recently.
As for the class of restricted free agents, strongside linebacker Ricky Brown signed his $1.545 million tender sheet Thursday and reported for duty. Special teams players Jon Alston and Jon Condo also signed their own $1.01 million tenders, locking them in for one more year of service.
Miller’s signing should be considered a boon. A Pro Bowler as a rookie in 2006, he joined the Raiders midway through last season and immediately made a splash with two touchdown returns in seven games.
He averaged 24.8 yards on 32 returns while allowing Johnnie Lee Higgins to focus on punt returns after struggling with ball security on kicks. Miller visited with the Titans on March 4 before signing with the Raiders, who claimed him off waivers in November when the Jets cut him.
Rookie safety Tyvon Branch won the kick return job in training camp but was sidelined by hand and shoulder injuries. Miller and Branch will likely compete for the kick return job in camp.
For an updated look at what the Raiders have done in free agency, click here.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I like the Miller signing, but signing Joseph makes no sense to me. The Raiders were at the bottom of the league last year against the run, yet they have made no changes
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we do have a new d coordinator
And who do you think is taking crab that he wont be there at seven cincy maybe?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Hey brien I would surely trade for jay cutler. But how about this, al and javon sit down with Brett favre and talk him out of retirement
March 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
we are not going to address all of our problems in this draft. DE is not an area of need. Safety is. Center is. We will address those in this draft.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I like the Miller signing, but signing Joseph makes no sense to me. The Raiders were at the bottom of the league last year against the run, yet they have made no changes.
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To the contrary, they cut the starting DE, and are shopping the injury plagued other DE. Not to mention we changed the DC and LB coach. That’s a big start!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Brien I♥White Kok Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Let me aks you guys a question. If the donkeys offered Al to trade Cutler straight across for JR, how many of you would turn that trade down?**************************************
No way we give the Donkeys a gift like that. Cutler is good, but he is a SISSY, and a wiiiiner. JR is just fine, he is on track to being very good. Relax….
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Raiders75 (Dez Bryant for 2010) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I like the Miller signing, but signing Joseph makes no sense to me. The Raiders were at the bottom of the league last year against the run, yet they have made no changes.
The only change they attempted to make was the LB from Dallas.
By signing Joseph, the Raiders now have 4 DTs on the roster. Those of you hoping for Raji can hang it up. I doubt the Raiders will carry 5 DTs.
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NFL contracts are not guaranteed, so Kelly is really the only sure thing to make the roster. We could still draft a DT in rds. 2-4 that pushes Joseph off the roster.
How do you have such a terrible run D and not change ONE tackle or LB in your rotation? Oh thats right, they got rid of the weak link in Gibril Wilson…LOL.
Somebody please tell me that Sam Williams wasn’t in the building today…
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
This team will not have a WR with more than 40 catches regardless of who plays the position.
This team will run first, pass to the backs second, pass to the TE third and pass to WR fourth.
Dmac will play flanker many times with Bush at tailback. This will further lessen the throws to a traditional wide out.
Did you happen to notice that Baltimore ran the ball more than any team in the NFL last year with a developing QB?
This fascination with a “prolific” wide receiver is perplexing.
Many of you WR supporters were following the Raiders during the Moss travesty. That should have proven the point that no WR will not overcome a flawed supporting cast.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Raidermice..that story has been pasted here three times moron..scroll up and get a clue retard..
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I don’t think another rookie WR is the answer…maybe 1 or 2 quality veterans.
Alex Mack 7th overall is not such a bad idea. Everybody here would probably trade their 7th overall pick for Jim Otto or Barrett Robbins in a trade. No difference.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Anybody know of a good sausage restaurant?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:30 am
The draft will be interesting this year.
Looks like Crabtree at #7. I’m not saying this because I am endorsing this pick, just don’t see Al picking anyone else that early.
It will be interesting to see how this year plays out.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:31 am
To the contrary, they cut the starting DE, and are shopping the injury plagued other DE. Not to mention we changed the DC and LB coach. That’s a big start!
Who was the starter they cut?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:31 am
JERRY STOP BEING A GIANT DOUCHE! wheres the new post
March 16th, 2009 at 11:31 am
we are not going to address all of our problems in this draft. DE is not an area of need. Safety is. Center is. We will address those in this draft.
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exactly. right after receiver!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:33 am
evry body is putting up all the raiders signings but im just glad they got j. miller back
March 16th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Jones is big and tough in the middle, the kind of WR that would complement Miller well and open up Higgins, Schilens and Walker to make big plays.
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If we didn’t have Walker already, then maybe. It’s not about where I like him or not, the guy is ON THE TEAM! He’s GOING TO PLAY! He gave us zero problems during the regular season, right or wrong? He got hurt week 9 or so, or else he would’ve finished the season as the starter. The last thing I want to see is Walker and Jones as our wideouts, b/c that’s exactly what it would be, not Jones, JLH, Miller.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
T C WR LB DE
March 16th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Who was the starter they cut?
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Edwards.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:35 am
treyrockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Hey brien I would surely trade for jay cutler. But how about this, al and javon sit down with Brett favre and talk him out of retirement
Talk about a SISSY, we don’t want Favre
March 16th, 2009 at 11:37 am
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Who was the starter they cut?
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Edwards.
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Edwars was not a starter you douch bag. He was a tampon like you!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Why are people saying that Crabtree is undersized, just because he measured in at 6′1″ instead of 6′3″ ? He’s 214 lbs. None of this changes the fact that he dominated db’s.
Crabtree is bigger & stronger than Antonio Bryant, Roddy White & Reggie Wayne, who were all Top 10 WR’s this year … We already have our speed burner in Higgins. Shields ran the fastest 40 at the combine. Schilens is big & fast too. We have enough speed. We need hands. We need to move the chains. We need a reliable target for Russell.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I’m totally cereal I need to treat raiderrockstar to a good spicy sausage?
Maybe I should open my own sausage store treys sausage! What do you think bo?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
JHill, Kalimba Edwards didn’t start. Scott will get his reps, and he’s no better against the run. So far at least.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
We got that covered with Trevor Scott, DE, Buffalo hello…hello
March 16th, 2009 at 11:39 am
NO WAY Crabtree gets past KC, Seattle, AND Cincy. I just can’t see it. Each of those team litterally has 1 WR and Cincy won’t even have 1 after next year when CJ bolts as a FA. If Crabtree is half the player they are pumping him up to be, how does he get past those teams?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:39 am
BSJ,
He might have, and I know for a fact it wasn’t me who posted it here first. A few guys posted the news before I did. What Im saying is, why isn’t Jerry reporting the signings?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:40 am
UNION SLUG, bite me. I think I was talking about Jerry, not the idiots who post here such as yourself. I got your scroll up right here, pal.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
What eber happened to Anttaj Hawthorne??
He was supposed to be the futer, and head Bud supplyer.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
new post
March 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Kalimba Edwards didn’t start?
Tell me who did start then? Anyone saying Jay Richardson should slap themselves in the mouth. Unless of course we’re talking week 1 or 2. Or preseason!
We can always go back to the tape!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Trey wingo so if you touch yourself you are really touching me? Right?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Trey Wingo Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
What eber happened to Anttaj Hawthorne??
He was supposed to be the futer, and head Bud supplyer.
Up in smoke like me right now, I just got some Alcapolco Gold…
March 16th, 2009 at 11:44 am
NO WAY Crabtree gets past KC, Seattle, AND Cincy. I just can’t see it. Each of those team litterally has 1 WR and Cincy won’t even have 1 after next year when CJ bolts as a FA. If Crabtree is half the player they are pumping him up to be, how does he get past those teams?
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Seahawks got Housh in FA. Bengals got Coles in FA. Pioli is from the New England regime. They don’t go after skill positions before addressing the lines like Davis does. KC had how many sacks last year? They will take Curry or Orakpo.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Rockstar,
He played 6 or 7 games before he was injured. I don’t think he did a bad job, but I think we can find a better LB between 4 and 7. IMO
Nothing as high as the first or 2nd.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Dirty Raccoon, let me aks you another question. Do you really think that JR is going to be the talent that Cutler is? If you were to aks him how much he felt his sit out during his rookie season affected his learning scale do you think he would give you an honest answer?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Raider O Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:39 am
BSJ,
He might have, and I know for a fact it wasn’t me who posted it here first. A few guys posted the news before I did. What Im saying is, why isn’t Jerry reporting the signings?
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I agree with your point. Hope Jerry’s not busy job hunting…
I was hoping for confirmation on Y’alls Trippin so I could pay attn next time he posts some info.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
post # 1116 = troll (obviously)
March 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Kalimba Edwards didn’t start?
Tell me who did start then? Anyone saying Jay Richardson should slap themselves in the mouth. Unless of course we’re talking week 1 or 2. Or preseason!
We can always go back to the tape!
Go to the tape dummy, Jay did start!! You are not a Raider fan, you are a BANWAGONER!!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
post # 1116 = troll (obviously)
WOW, the Troll calling a Troll a troll..
March 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
1121st
March 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Raidermissy..takes a idiot to know a idiot..azzhole..you heard me..
March 16th, 2009 at 11:51 am
here you go poopface and your welcome
Odds STATISTICS
NFL Offense Sorted By Yards/GameRank Team Yards Rush Y/R Pass QB Sacks 3rd % Poss. Pts
1 NO 410.7 99.6 4.01 311.1 94.8 13 48.5 30:28 28.9
2 DEN 396.6 116.2 4.79 280.3 85.5 9 47.5 28:44 23.1
3 HOU 382.1 115.4 4.27 266.7 86.8 32 42.1 32:04 22.9
4 ARI 365.8 73.7 3.48 292.1 94.7 28 41.9 30:11 26.7
5 NE 365.5 142.4 4.43 223.1 87.2 45 43.2 30:30 25.6
6 ATL 360.9 152.4 4.35 208.5 86.7 17 43.4 31:10 24.4
7 NYG 355.9 157.4 5.02 198.6 86.7 28 43.1 33:19 26.7
8 GB 351.1 112.8 4.13 238.3 91.5 34 44.2 31:37 26.2
9 PHI 350.5 106.3 3.99 244.2 80.4 24 41.3 31:26 26.0
10 CAR 349.4 152.2 4.83 197.1 83.3 20 39.6 29:28 25.9
11 SD 348.7 107.9 4.10 240.8 104.2 25 45.9 28:53 27.4
12 MIA 344.9 118.3 4.21 226.6 96.5 24 37.0 31:03 21.6
13 DAL 344.5 107.7 4.30 236.8 83.2 31 42.9 30:00 22.6
14 TB 341.0 114.9 4.10 226.1 82.6 33 38.4 32:14 22.6
15 IND 335.5 79.6 3.44 255.9 94.1 14 50.2 28:39 23.6
16 NYJ 331.7 125.2 4.75 206.4 78.5 30 41.1 31:06 25.3
17 MIN 330.5 145.8 4.50 184.7 79.1 44 39.4 31:19 23.7
18 BAL 324.0 148.6 4.02 175.4 80.1 34 40.9 31:36 24.1
19 WAS 320.0 130.9 4.38 189.1 83.0 38 35.2 31:31 16.6
20 JAC 319.1 110.9 4.16 208.2 79.1 42 40.8 31:29 18.9
21 TEN 313.7 137.2 4.33 176.5 78.1 12 36.1 29:19 23.4
22 PIT 312.2 105.2 3.68 207.0 79.4 49 38.6 27:38 21.7
23 SF 311.1 99.9 4.03 211.2 78.5 55 37.9 27:45 21.2
24 KC 310.6 113.1 4.78 197.5 76.0 32 38.3 26:40 18.2
25 BUF 305.1 115.1 4.20 190.0 79.0 38 39.9 30:04 21.0
26 CHI 296.2 104.1 3.86 192.1 75.9 26 35.6 26:43 23.4
27 STL 287.1 102.4 3.94 184.6 64.4 45 31.9 23:51 14.5
28 SEA 274.1 110.5 4.24 163.6 70.6 36 31.3 26:38 18.4
29 OAK 272.1 124.2 4.33 147.9 68.8 39 28.5 28:31 16.4
30 DET 267.7 82.7 3.76 185.0 68.6 52 28.8 26:59 16.8
31 CLE 249.4 100.2 3.93 149.2 53.5 22 34.0 25:53 14.5
32 CIN 245.6 94.7 3.62 150.9 65.9 50 34.7 26:57 12.8
March 16th, 2009 at 11:51 am
its easy, the reason why crabs will fall to us is because he didn’t workout at the combine and his proday.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Brien I♥White Kok Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Dirty Raccoon, let me aks you another question. Do you really think that JR is going to be the talent that Cutler is? If you were to aks him how much he felt his sit out during his rookie season affected his learning scale do you think he would give you an honest answer?
I do not know if JR will be the same as Cutler, he could be better, ant ant rate I think he will be better than anything we have had excluding Gannon(walk the ball down the field) in a very long time.
No I don’t think he would give a honest answer, he knowes it hurt BAD!! So does he dirt bag agents!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
He played 6 or 7 games before he was injured. I don’t think he did a bad job, but I think we can find a better LB between 4 and 7. IMO
Nothing as high as the first or 2nd.
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Ricky Brown missed the last 8 games with a groin injury. Alston, Condo & Ekejiuba were all resigned for ST and depth at LB. However, we lost Marquis Cooper and Sam Williams is a FA. It wouldn’t hurt to draft somebody for competition.
Morrison, Howard & Brown (all 3 starters) are free agents next offseason anyways.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
2 DEN 396.6 116.2 4.79 280.3 85.5 9 47.5 28:44 23.1
29 OAK 272.1 124.2 4.33 147.9 68.8 39 28.5 28:31 16.4
Lets run this agin this time next year!! BET
March 16th, 2009 at 11:56 am
O man 3 off 1124
I really should update my America online dial up Internet access!
Oh and post 116 is the real raider rockstar I know my baby
March 16th, 2009 at 11:56 am
I hope not, I do like Jerry. As for the signings, it’s not listed on the Raiders site or the CJ signing, why? I need conformation.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:20 am
then there is Shields, maybe the best of them all, but hasnt shown anything yet, ANYTHING!
So all great prospects but no-one have ever showed anything… thats why our WR Corp is the weakest of all NFL teams.. so I feel its quite a reach to say those horses we have will be enough, because it only takes two games to prove if they aren’t, and then what?? then the season is over.. totally over… AGAIN…
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We just drafted Shields last year man, cmon!
And how does adding another prospect like Robiskie help? He hasn’t done anything either.
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Robiskie is more NFL ready than JLH or Shilens will be in 2010… they may have a better career, but Robiskie as of ‘09 is more NFL ready… Starting #WR2…
and as you say, Shields wa just drafted last year, had a major injury, and still hasn’t shown anything…
yup they are all prospects, Robiskie no matter where he ends up will have better stats than Shields, Shilens or JLH… thats a huge claim i know, but i feel very comfortable saying so…
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Trey Wingo Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
What ever happened to Anttaj Hawthorne??
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Trey Wingo Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:41 am
What ever happened to Anttaj Hawthorne??
Yeah,
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Forgot about Coles to Cincy. Good call. Housh is the one guy I was talking about in Cincy, and Bowe is the one guy in KC. I don’t buy that Pioli/NE thing. They have Johnson and Vrabel at OLB already, why would they draft a 3rd guy? Why trade for Vrabel?
How do we know what Pioli would do? He had a top 10 pick twice sense 2000, and last year there is no way they draft a WR with Moss and Welker on the squad. That’s like saying what Al wouldn’t do when we had these high picks the last 2 years. How many times did we hear about Marinovich as a reason Al wouldn’t take a QB with the #1 pick? And how about we won’t draft DMAC b/c Al doesn’t draft RBs in the first rnd?
March 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
He was supposed to be my EATIN Buddy!
March 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
#1111 was not me, but thanks for defending my original post.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
F*7K Jay Cutler and his whining ways.
Jerry mac said he had Little League duty over the weekend so he’s probably engaged in providing updates on a peewee blog somewhere about the outstanding baserunning his kid did on saturday.
March 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:39 am
NO WAY Crabtree gets past KC, Seattle, AND Cincy. I just can’t see it. Each of those team litterally has 1 WR and Cincy won’t even have 1 after next year when CJ bolts as a FA. If Crabtree is half the player they are pumping him up to be, how does he get past those teams?
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I don’t see Seattle taking Crabtree at #4 and paying him that much money….especially after his surgery and after paying TJ Hooker a good amount of money. They still have Deion Branch coming back healthy and Engram coming back healthy as well. Seattle also needs an OT to replace Walter Jones and if Monroe or Smith are there…there is no way they take Crabtree over those O-Tackles.
I also doubt KC takes Crabtree that high at #3 without him being able to work out because of the injury and pay him top 3 money. Especially since Curry is arguably the #1 rated player on the board and their defense stunk last year.
The team that may take Crabtree is Cinncy. They have CJ 85 and they just signed Coles to good money, but they may feel that by taking Crabtree….it would spell the end of 85? Tough to do though since Cinncy has major offensive tackle problems as well and has not signed any OT in free agency so far I believe. They need to protect Palmer.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
yup
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# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Forgot about Coles to Cincy. Good call. Housh is the one guy I was talking about in Cincy, and Bowe is the one guy in KC. I don’t buy that Pioli/NE thing. They have Johnson and Vrabel at OLB already, why would they draft a 3rd guy? Why trade for Vrabel?
How do we know what Pioli would do? He had a top 10 pick twice sense 2000, and last year there is no way they draft a WR with Moss and Welker on the squad. That’s like saying what Al wouldn’t do when we had these high picks the last 2 years. How many times did we hear about Marinovich as a reason Al wouldn’t take a QB with the #1 pick? And how about we won’t draft DMAC b/c Al doesn’t draft RBs in the first rnd?
March 16th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
If I could speak to the kids coming out of college I’d aks them to be very careful when choosing an agent to represent them.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
He played 6 or 7 games before he was injured. I don’t think he did a bad job, but I think we can find a better LB between 4 and 7. IMO
Nothing as high as the first or 2nd.
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Ricky Brown missed the last 8 games with a groin injury. Alston, Condo & Ekejiuba were all resigned for ST and depth at LB. However, we lost Marquis Cooper and Sam Williams is a FA. It wouldn’t hurt to draft somebody for competition.
Morrison, Howard & Brown (all 3 starters) are free agents next offseason anyways.
we lost Marquis Cooper
He DIED you AZZ hole, you have No RESPECT!!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
darkknight01 Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I highly doubt the team picks Andre Smith with the #7 pick now that Barnes is signed.
If they do pick him, then the money they would give him would be more than Barnes contract and they would be forced to start Smith no matter what at RT. Relugating Barnes to backup duty? Doesn’t make sense. Smith will not start over Carlisle at RG and Mario has to be the LT so far. Pears and Barnes will be compete at both LT and RT.
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I could see us draft a Tackle, evenwith Barnes on board, that he has a one year contract is just better..
I see Barnes as starting RT the first few games,if Mario holds the fort at LT no need for Barnes to switch to LT, and then ease in the rookie Tackle at RT and phase out barnes, and then cut barnes… =)
March 16th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Well just under an hour till my show. Got a nooner date with marky and morty c u later raiderrockstar
. I know bo, 4eva, 15yrs, other trey, jmac, Brett favre will miss me
March 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
There are reports on PFT that the Raiders have resigned, Justin Miller, William Joseph, Condo, Alston and Brown even though they don’t appear on the Raiders transactions for their website. They of course had to throw in the usual Raider bash in with their info.
Here is the link if anyone wants to check it out.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/16/raiders-continue-to-not-announce-personnel-moves/
These resignings could be a large indication that we are in fact going for a WR or it could just be nothing, with Al you never know. But I just don’t see him taking a LB for sure after resigning 2 this offseason. Raji seems like an option still.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Jeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyy!?!?!??!!?!?!
whats up, shouldnt you give us an update on the re-signings and the re-constructions of players???
March 16th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Housh is the one guy I was talking about in Cincy, and Bowe is the one guy in KC. I don’t buy that Pioli/NE thing. They have Johnson and Vrabel at OLB already, why would they draft a 3rd guy? Why trade for Vrabel?
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Seahawks have Deion Branch & Nate Burleson as well. KC only had 10 sacks last year. Aaron Curry would be their MLB since they cut Donnie Edwards
March 16th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
LT 1st
March 16th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Forgot about Coles to Cincy. Good call. Housh is the one guy I was talking about in Cincy, and Bowe is the one guy in KC. I don’t buy that Pioli/NE thing. They have Johnson and Vrabel at OLB already, why would they draft a 3rd guy? Why trade for Vrabel?
How do we know what Pioli would do? He had a top 10 pick twice sense 2000, and last year there is no way they draft a WR with Moss and Welker on the squad. That’s like saying what Al wouldn’t do when we had these high picks the last 2 years. How many times did we hear about Marinovich as a reason Al wouldn’t take a QB with the #1 pick? And how about we won’t draft DMAC b/c Al doesn’t draft RBs in the first rnd?
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Vrabel is on his last legs and Derrick Johnson has been a disappointment so far for them.
Curry is a higher rated player at this time over Crabtree and does KC really want to give top 3 money to an injured Crabtree who didn’t do a full work out?
Tough call….
March 16th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
live raiders chat going on right now at raiderbeat.com
March 16th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
KC already has Bowe, I don’t see them taking another WR when they have other more important needs.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Tough to do though since Cinncy has major offensive tackle problems as well and has not signed any OT in free agency so far I believe. They need to protect Palmer.
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exactly. They lost a starting OT last year Willie Anderson (Ravens) and another one this year Stacy Andrews (Eagles). Plus their defense stinks and they have a defensive minded HC. Crabs won’t be the pick. They drafted 2 WR’s on Day 1 last year and brought back Chris Henry.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Jerry please give us another blog
March 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
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Condo, 27, is unlikely to face competition for deep snapping duties in camp.
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Raiders re-signed restricted free agent OLB Jon Alston to a one-year, $1.01 million contract.
Blessed with top straight line speed but less than ideal size, Alston has found his niche on special teams. He’s unlikely to help much defensively.
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Raiders re-signed DL William Joseph.
Joseph, 30 in September, appeared in eight games last year and recorded eight tackles with no sacks. A former first-round pick from Miami (FL), “Willie Joe” has proven no less of a bust in Oakland than he did as a Giant.
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Raiders re-signed restricted free agent LB Ricky Brown to a one-year, $1.545 million contract.
Brown made six starts at strong-side linebacker before his 2008 season ended due to a groin injury. Ideally, he’ll be a backup/special teamer this year.
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Raiders re-signed CB Justin Miller to a two-year contract.
Miller, a sub-package corner with Pro Bowl-caliber return value, signed the deal weeks ago. Oakland is oddly not announcing transactions this spring.
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The Miller deal, really pleases me! because its a 2 year deal, and the other 1 year deals is a sign of ‘09 cap problems and a ‘10 with no cap (as of now)
March 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
The Miller deal, really pleases me! because its a 2 year deal, and the other 1 year deals is a sign of ‘09 cap problems and a ‘10 with no cap (as of now)
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LMN: I agree. It’s Miller Time! (both on offense and ST)
March 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
More reasons why we will not draft a WR at #7
Aside from the fact that no one is refuting my Ted Ginn,Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss arguments regarding how a WR IS MADE by the system, not the other way around.
Michael Irvin was drafted in 1988 and in his first two seasons the Boys were 4-28.
In 2006, the only WR taken in the first round was picked at #25. After the 2007 mess with Johnson and Ginn, a WR was not selected in the first round of the 2008 draft.
The point should be obvious. WR should be the last piece of the puzzle. Good WR’s can be found later in the draft. We have other more pressing needs.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Tough to do though since Cinncy has major offensive tackle problems as well and has not signed any OT in free agency so far I believe. They need to protect Palmer.
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exactly. They lost a starting OT last year Willie Anderson (Ravens) and another one this year Stacy Andrews (Eagles). Plus their defense stinks and they have a defensive minded HC. Crabs won’t be the pick. They drafted 2 WR’s on Day 1 last year and brought back Chris Henry.
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Yep! The Crabtree being injured and deciding to have surgery was the best possible outcome for the Raiders to have any shot at Crabtree at #7. If Crabtree was fully healthy and had a full workout, chances are he would not have a chance in heck to fall to #7.
Now he has a very good chance…..
March 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
RRS
Yihr!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
# DMunoz26 Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
KC already has Bowe, I don’t see them taking another WR when they have other more important needs.
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Shutup, Danny.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Crabtree will be there at #7 and Al Davis will take him unless we sign Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt in FA prior to the draft.
I’d rather have Crabtree!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Mark Sanchez’s offensive coordinator at USC, Steve Sarkisian, believes Sanchez is “extremely ready” to play in the NFL despite only having started for one college season.
“He’s as ready as any quarterback we’ve had,” said Sarkisian, who also coached Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. “There’s not a throw he can’t make. He’s got the ability to move in the pocket. He’s got a great understanding of the game…(and) all the intangibles to be a tremendous leader.”
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Here is a prophecy… LOL
Cutler is traded to Jets for a 1st and a 2nd.. Denver then trades up and picks Sanchez… meaning in my weird optimism we get Curry somehow =) LOL
Believe!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
TRADE THE PICK TO A TEAM WITH A LATE FIRST ROUND AND EARLY SECOND ROUND (if there is any)
1st round: Alex Mack/Darrius Heyward-Bey
2nd round: Hakeem Nicks/Max Unger
March 16th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Charlie Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
More reasons why we will not draft a WR at #7
Aside from the fact that no one is refuting my Ted Ginn,Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss arguments regarding how a WR IS MADE by the system, not the other way around.
Michael Irvin was drafted in 1988 and in his first two seasons the Boys were 4-28.
In 2006, the only WR taken in the first round was picked at #25. After the 2007 mess with Johnson and Ginn, a WR was not selected in the first round of the 2008 draft.
The point should be obvious. WR should be the last piece of the puzzle. Good WR’s can be found later in the draft. We have other more pressing needs.
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You can find other good WR’s later in the draft, but can other WR’s be found that have the complete skills of Crabtree?
If a player like Crabtree falls and you can pick him and save by not paying him top 5 money….why not do it….unless of course someone else is rated higher on the teams board.
Even if Crabtree is on the board….I still want the old man and cable to consider TRADING DOWN if the offer makes sense.
Can you imagine if they made a deal with Philly for their two first rounders?
The team would be in an ideal spot to take Center Alex Mack and then with Phillys other 1st Rounder pick WR Kenny Britt.
Then with the Round 2 pick take Ron Brace…..Round 3 maybe take a DE like Kyle Moore and then in Round 4 take LB Jasper Brinkley. Round 6 take a blocking FB like Quinn Johnson.
Now that would be a helluva draft for the Raiders!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
TRADE THE PICK TO A TEAM WITH A LATE FIRST ROUND AND EARLY SECOND ROUND (if there is any)
1st round: Alex Mack/Darrius Heyward-Bey
2nd round: Hakeem Nicks/Max Unger
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outside of Crabtree we should steer clear of a receiver in this years draft. If we trade down, and get a late first, early second we should pick up Alex Mack and a player for the d-line.
Sands, Warren & Joseph aren’t very impressive. Even Kelly has a lot to prove. Derrick Burgess is in the final year of his contract. Trevor Scott isn’t strong vs the run. Jay Richardson can’t rush the passer.
We also need a strong safety…
March 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
ONION BUG: ‘Takes one to know one’, eh? Wow, how did you ever come up with that one? Truly Shakespearean. Don’t quit your day job. Well, if you ever find a day job, that is.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
If you are in favor of Crabtree coming to Oakland, it doesn’t look too bad thus far. It’s obvious the Lions aren’t taking him, nor are the Rams. KC will go defense because they have to. Seattle; don’t think so. Walter Jones is on his last legs, they just signed Housh, and Julian Peterson is now with the Lions. Who knows what they’re thinking about their QB situation. Cleveland could take him; they’ve lost Winslow, but Edwards is still under contract so unless they get what they want for him he’s going nowhere (see: Chad Johnson, Bengals) Besides, they need a running back and their secondary is a mess. Cincinnati still has Ocho and now has Coles. And many other holes (Sorry, couldn’t help it).
If there’s a wild card here, it’s Cleveland. Notre Dame Golden Boy is their likely starter this year and Crabtree would be a good weapon for him and be a lot more reliable than Edwards. Winslow, when he was healthy, gave them a viable target over the middle. He’s gone and they need that, especially with a noodle-armed frat boy under center. They really need help at the other positions I mentioned, but if Crabtree is the best player available I could see them snatching him.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Cho-Be
It is very difficult to trade down and get fair value now days in the draft. The higher you pick the more you have to pay for your player so very few teams see picking in the top 10 as an advantage. you are right though if some team was willing to give us a 1st and 2nd for our 7th overall pick it would be ideal.
I like where your heads at regarding Mack, We definatly need to target him big time. And Unger is a great consolation if he is gone before our 40th overall pick.
I must disagree with drafting any WR in the first 3 rounds of this draft. We have plenty of young talent at the position why would we want another new guy taking reps away from Higgins, Schiliens, and Shields. We have to get these guys on the field to see if they can play before we go drafting another young guy. Our first 3 rounds should focus on C, DT, LB, G, DE, or S before we go adding more youth to a position already loaded with youth.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Darkknight
My point is that Crabtree’s skills will be irrelavent
until 2012 when we finally have addressed the needs facing us today. (Dline, Oline).
On this team a WR will be the fourth option for a developing QB.
We will win more in 2009 staying away from a WR on day one of this year’s draft than if we were to pursue Crabtree.
Our line play is an embarrasment and we need help at DT,DE and center.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
TRADE THE PICK TO A TEAM WITH A LATE FIRST ROUND AND EARLY SECOND ROUND (if there is any)
1st round: Alex Mack/Darrius Heyward-Bey
2nd round: Hakeem Nicks/Max Unger
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outside of Crabtree we should steer clear of a receiver in this years draft. If we trade down, and get a late first, early second we should pick up Alex Mack and a player for the d-line.
Sands, Warren & Joseph aren’t very impressive. Even Kelly has a lot to prove. Derrick Burgess is in the final year of his contract. Trevor Scott isn’t strong vs the run. Jay Richardson can’t rush the passer.
We also need a strong safety…
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You can find other good WR’s later in the draft, but can other WR’s be found that have the complete skills of Crabtree?
If a player like Crabtree falls and you can pick him and save by not paying him top 5 money….why not do it….unless of course someone else is rated higher on the teams board.
Even if Crabtree is on the board….I still want the old man and cable to consider TRADING DOWN if the offer makes sense.
Can you imagine if they made a deal with Philly for their two first rounders?
The team would be in an ideal spot to take Center Alex Mack and then with Phillys other 1st Rounder they can pick WR Kenny Britt or Heyward-Bey.
Then with the Round 2 pick take a strog two gap DT like Ron Brace…..Round 3 maybe take a DE like Kyle Moore and then in Round 4 take LB Jasper Brinkley or a SS like Patrick Chung and in Round 6 take a blocking FB like Quinn Johnson.
Now that would be a helluva draft for the Raiders!
March 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
If there’s a wild card here, it’s Cleveland. Notre Dame Golden Boy is their likely starter this year and Crabtree would be a good weapon for him and be a lot more reliable than Edwards. Winslow, when he was healthy, gave them a viable target over the middle. He’s gone and they need that, especially with a noodle-armed frat boy under center. They really need help at the other positions I mentioned, but if Crabtree is the best player available I could see them snatching him.
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The Browns have a defensive minded HC. Remember who drafted Vernon Gholston? Eric Mangini. The Browns threw a big money contract at Donte Stallworth last year to pair with Braylon Edwards. He was injured much of the season. They have replaced Kellen Winslow Jr. with TE Robert Royal.
They won’t draft Crabs. They have a higher chance of trading Shaun Rogers and grabbing BJ Raji imo …
March 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RRS, re: SS
I’ve started hoping Al tries Alston at SS. 6′0″ 225, and straight-line fast. He played FS in high school. I like it because it may help our run D, and he has the size to instill some fear in crossing receivers.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
dark knight: you don’t have to try and convince me. I want Michael Crabtree on the Oakland Raiders!
Charlie & Petro do not …
March 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
BSJ: Gibril Wilson & Roy Williams are a liability in pass defense. Thats why I wasn’t upset to see Gibril released and why I wanted us to steer clear of Roy. How is Alston in pass coverage? Can he cover TE’s or RB’s out of the backfield? just because you got speed doesn’t mean you got skills. I wouldn’t mind trying Alston at SS. According to Jason Jones (Sac Bee) he gets reps in practice there pretty ofton actually. I’d hate for us to pass up a SS in the draft though that is less of a project. I can see Alston as a patch, but not a long term solution. a possible back up to Eugene or Branch who could fill in if we’re in a bind.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Rockstar… I hope you’re right about the Browns. The only reason I bring them up is because they did lose Winslow, Edwards wants out and will probably be “injured” at some point this year, and who knows what’s going to happen with Stallworth now.
They definitely need defensive help, and they also need a front-line running back. We’ll see. I hope you’re right, though. They seem like the only team ahead of us right now that would take him.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
The Raiders are trying to trade M. Bush to the Rams for C. Long.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RR if you aks me he should be called craptree.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RRS, re: SS
I’ve started hoping Al tries Alston at SS. 6′0″ 225, and straight-line fast. He played FS in high school. I like it because it may help our run D, and he has the size to instill some fear in crossing receivers.
Should you be saying CABLE????? LOL same ol chit.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
St Kiffin has just landed Rivals No1, Bryce Brown for the Vols.
Kiff is going to haunt Davis for the rest of his natural. Revenge.
Go Vols. Go Kiff.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Coming to Oakland would be a great situation for Crabtree, I think. He would automatically become the #1 receiver, have a big-armed QB to throw him the ball in an Air Coryell-inspired offense with speed receivers and a good tight end opening up lanes, and maybe best of all, he gets to go up against the best cornerback in football every day in practice.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
St Kiffin has just landed Rivals No1, Bryce Brown for the Vols.
Kiff is going to haunt Davis for the rest of his natural. Revenge.
Go Vols. Go Kiff.
What if Kiffy is let go before the start of the season?
March 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
no new fix??
March 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
SUP 408
AND FUK KIFF
March 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Who do the Rams have at WR that takes them out of the Crabtree conversation?
March 16th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dakota,
Kiff will be a success at UT. Not overnight and he will have to eat humble-pie for a couple of years but, he will be a big success.
The sad truth is that Davis and Kiffin are too alike. Both winners, both ruthless, both disloyal, both machiavellian, both egotistical. They were either going to be the greatest double act or the bitterest rivals.
Sadly the latter.
I really like Tom Cable. He is a first class guy. But Kiff should have been the Raiders future…not the Raiders past.
And Kiff will recruit the top QB prospect of 2010 (Heap) for the Vols. Dead cert.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
new fix…
March 16th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
both machiavellian
I am starting to like you.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
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March 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
As raider fans we just can’t keep ourselves from wanting to draft a WR in the top 3 rounds. This is insane all I see on here are people either wanting Crabtree at 7 or trading down only to use a late 1st or early 2nd on a different WR (Heyward-Bey, Britt, or Nicks.
WR is the only position other than QB or RB where we actually have depth and youth. If you pick a player in the top 3 rounds you typically want him to see the field that year. So can someone please explain to me who exactly you want to take touches from. Is it Mcfadden? Miller? Bush? Higgins? Schiliens? Walker? Shields? Fargas? Are these guys too old for you? or maybe they are not fast enough. Why stop at WR shoot if Sanchez is available lets grab him. I heard Beanie Wells could fall to the second round, wow what value, We would be stupid not to take him there.
This draft has to be about the Front 7 on D, and the OL. Sorry guys but we are full at the skill positions. I can’t belive I am seeing anyone posting anything other than outrage at the thought of wasting a top 100 pick on a WR. If someone could explain to me why this is even being considered I would love to hear it.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
We all know the only thing missing from the Raider’s Depth Chart that hasn’t been addressed by a FA signing or resigning of one of our own guys is a Starting Centre.
Alex Mack Centre – 7th overall pick…Al’s kind of pick.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
While alot of my fellow Raider fans have valid points,their are a few who really dont have a clue.Trade up,trade down,draft him,sign him.Before you make some of these STUPID comments,THINK.What is a players worth,what wll he cost us etc.Some of these comments border on some of you being delusional. Thank You .NOW STOP THESE INSANE REMARKS without credable facts.
March 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Who do the Rams have at WR that takes them out of the Crabtree conversation?
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They have a bigger hole at OT….now that Pace is gone and Monroe and J Smith will be right in front of them at #2. Remember last year the Lambs really wanted Jake Long but Miami snagged him.
Crabtree being hurt and not being able to do full workouts will cause him to fall out of the top 5 most likely. There is almost no chance the Lambs take Crabtree when they just let go of Pace and need to fill that void pronto.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Looks like that Josh McDaniels has a little Kiffin in him. He’s totally pissed of Jay Cutler.
March 16th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
but stop the insanity is just so brilliant that he’s on this blog with nothing better to do. Alot of people including myself have an opinion of we would do given the choice and were gonna continue to voice our opinion. Let’s get a starting NT (Raji/Brace) and C (Mack/Unger) out of this draft and were in business. Other needs LB, SS, WR, DE so let’s draft best available of these positions in rounds 3 and up. People love to beleive that a team that invests in “malcontents” like Javon, Khalif, DMAC, Fargas, Sands, and Russell can’t be successful. In the words of Al Davis, “the Raiders will be back”.
March 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
We need veteran leadership at each position like we did in our last Superbowl run.That being said,we should get WR Torry “Big Game” Holt,former Cowboy S Roy Williams,and FB Lorenzo Neal,who has a thousand yard rusher behind him with every team he’s been with.
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