Raider should hope Broncos keep Cutler
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, March 20th, 2009 at 8:51 am in Oakland Raiders.
It’s better for the Raiders if the Broncos are true to their public stance that they want to keep quarterback Jay Cutler.
I remember writing a column two years ago how Cutler was in a much better situation than JaMarcus Russell, given that he was being instructed by Mike Shanahan in a system which wasn’t going to change.
Russell, meanwhile, could be looking at a coaching staff overhaul if Lane Kiffin didn’t work out.
Seemed like a good idea at the time.
Having observed Cutler from the outside for two years, he strikes me as a front-runner who is fine when things are going his way, only to morph into a sullen, spoiled brat when faced with adversity. He’s shown it on the field, in his post-game demeanor, and of late with the news that Josh McDaniels was interested in Matt Cassel.
I believe it was Mel Kiper Jr. who compared Cutler to Jeff George. Not bad.
Russell has some work to do in terms of conditioning and maturity, but he’s rich, young and wealthy and can’t expected to be perfect.
He handled the whole Al Davis-Lane Kiffin situation, as well as the transition to Tom Cable, with an uncommon grace for a quarterback so young. Contrast that with how Cutler is acting now.
As much as San Diego’s Philip Rivers is reviled for his on-field demeanor, he’s a quarterback the home team and home fans can get behind, even if everyone else can’t stand him.
If the Broncos dump Cutler, don’t be surprised if his teammates are on board.
Jumping to more conclusions leading into a non-work related weekend schedule which will leave me away from a computer most of the time:
– The only way McDaniels isn’t mishandiing the situation is if his plan all along was to alienate Cutler to the point where he can start his regime with a new quarterback.
– A thinly veiled attempt at sarcasm during a live chant apparently has some readers thinking I’m of the opinion the Raiders are shopping Russell.
In response to a question about the Raiders doing just that, my two word response was “Real quietly.”
To which I probably should have included (insert sarcasm here).
Considering that earlier in the chat I’d responded to a “bust” question by saying Russell needs three full years (on the field, the contract impasse negates year 1) on the field before you think about applying that tag, and to a later question defending his accuracy over the last several games, I thought it was fairly clear
– The stealth trade talk with Russell has been going on simultaneously with the Raiders’ official request to change uniform colors and negotiations which will culminate with Davis and Kiffin jointly announcing they’ll let bygones be bygones.
– Nnamdi Asomugha is back in the country, and USA Today prepared a lengthy profile on the Raiders cornerback who scored the biggest prize in free agency.
Not much in it we didn’t already know about Asomugha’s character, diversified outside interests and dedication to his craft, but it does nothing but validate the decision of Davis to bring him back at a steep price.
Assuming the Raiders bring Asomugha back for a third year, it makes a lot more sense for Davis to pay him $45.3 million than it does the Washington Redskins to pay $48 million over four years (plus back-end fluff) for injury-prone, driving-challenged Albert Haynesworth.
– Stanford’s center Alex Fletcher won the Big Game “Axe” over Alex Mack in terms of the bench press, pumping 225 pounds 31 times to 20 for the Golden Bear.
If they ever decide to decide a tie game with bench press reps, that’s a big deal.
Reminds me of the time the 49ers took Jim Druckenmiller the year his representatives demonstrated the quarterback’s strength by his ability to wear a harness and tow a car.
All the agility, strength and speed stuff is well and good for purposes of documentation, but the ability to play football and what happens during the interview process is of more importance.
Someone like Mack no doubt scored huge points in the chalk talk and film room with his enthusiasm for technique and love of football. He confessed to reporters it was hurting him to watch Cal teammates going through spring football because he loved playing so much and couldn’t be a part of it.
– If the Raiders are going to make any inquiries regarding Roy Williams, it ought to be soon. The free agent safety visited the Bengals, so he’s looking at teams with losing records and his money demands might be getting somewhere in Oakland’s wheelhouse.
That’s if they want to go down that road. Given the way the Raiders have operated so far, they’re more likely to find a younger player with more tread on the tires.
– I’ve always supported an overtime system that gives a team a chance to score if the opponent scores first. Seems only fair.
But the Player’s Association shot down the idea of changing overtime with the competition committee, so the coin toss will remain a big part of determining winners and losers when regulation play ends in a tie.
– The contract of Raiders cornerback Chris Johnson remains on a milk carton some place. He’s appearing at offseason workout program, both he and his agent have confirmed that he’s signed, and he’s got a deal on file with the NFLPA.
No word in transactions on Raiders.com, nor an announcement of the signing of a key starter _ even though it happened more than a month ago.
But hey, they were quick to get the signing of Jason Horton out there.
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March 20th, 2009 at 8:52 am
San Dimas High School Football Rules!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Dakota, a lot of teams have leaders on defense. We don’t. A lot of teams will be scared off by his age. That’s never stopped Al Davis before. He’s known for grabbing players past their prime and milking a few more solid years out of them.
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I think our leader needs to be the corner we are paying $14m+ per year for.. He is a stand up guy and leads by example with production. Thats your leader.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Drart Maclin!!!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Draft Maclin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Bronco fan….welcome to our world. Good luck with that….He He
March 20th, 2009 at 9:06 am
“And with the 5th pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns select Michael Crabtree wide receiver…”
even in Miami there are laws against killing someone while drunk driving.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:07 am
5. Well said.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Havent read the article yet, im on my way to a meeting, the last of the week!!!
But Cutler out of AFC or just the AFC WEST would be great, Jerry, please pass it on, I want to smoke what you smoke, LOL =)
March 20th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Signing Aso and Johnson seems like a solid idea considering SanDiego’s emphasis on the passing attack and Denver’s 4,500 yds + thru the air last year.
Who could’ve seen the Cutler mess, and who’s to say it won’t blow over.
Now we’ve got Matt Cassell in KC thanks to the Cheatriots usual shennanigans and they may look at Michael Crabtree 3rd overall.
Thats 6 divisional games against what could be some of the better passing games in the League.
Al doesn’t look quite so crazy now, does he?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:12 am
M Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:06 am
“And with the 5th pick in the draft the Cleveland Browns select Michael Crabtree wide receiver…”
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Or KC at 3, or the Houshless Bengals at 6…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Run Lil’ Bo Run! 7-9 here we come!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Sounds like Cutler would be Lane’s kind of QB.
Seriously though, you have to wonder about this “Josh by Gosh” guy.
The only reason he felt that strong about Cassels is he is nothing more than a “cut and paste” coach and needed a QB that was familar, and he didn’t have to teach a system to.
Why?? because he can’t teach the system, it’s not his.
All he can do is implement the system.
The first time Cutler would have asked for an explanation or a clarification on terminology Josh by Gosh would have been busted.
Too many of these coaches in the league now.
Including our ex-coach and his dad, the Tampa 2 is and was the Dungy 2.
Just too classy a guy to tell people that.
Love him or hate him at least Gruden was an original
March 20th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I’d like to see a trade down to acquire more picks.
Good draft this year at some key positions.
Could use some depth at Safety even though Huff will probably be here again in 09′.
Who knows? This could be his Nnamdi break out year.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Living in Broncos’ territory, I know that the fans sure as hell want Cutler to stay. They view him, Champ and Clady as the only real positives on the team right now and they can’t quite figure out why McDaniels thinks the team would be better off with Chris Simms as QB and not Cutler. They think Cutler is a fuking baby, but they also know that he can toss the rock better than anyone they have had since Elway. They also want to give McDaniels a chance, but they think he is being a stubborn fool right now, simply trying to emulate Belichick’s no nonsense attitude….which would be fine if it wasn’t alienating one of their few good players.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:17 am
12. Not sure how original Gruden was.
He seemed to need alot of wiley vets to teach and manage the game for him. Same as he did in Tampa.
Not a great draft coach either.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:19 am
The Tampa 2 is really the 1970’s Steelers defense. Dungy and Kiffin just dusted it off.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:19 am
14. Man, it seems absurd to want a 1 yr wonder compared to a pro bowl caliber field general. Crazy.
Who’s that QB the Brown paid big bucks to after he ahd one good year? Then Romo had a nice season and cleaned up too.
Have to wait and see if Cassell’s the next Tom Brady or just a flash in the pan, but his success seems to have injured the Broncos.
HA!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:20 am
They also want to give McDaniels a chance, but they think he is being a stubborn fool right now, simply trying to emulate Belichick’s no nonsense attitude….which would be fine if it wasn’t alienating one of their few good players.
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I actually thought McDaniels was the one who kept wanting to have sit down meetings with Cutler alone and Cutler was the one who was refusing (or buss cook refusing)?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Matt Stafford looked great at his pro day yesterday. I hope Detroit takes him and somehow Justin Smith or Eugene Monroe falls to us…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am
raidernationstation Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Matt Stafford looked great at his pro day yesterday. I hope Detroit takes him and somehow Justin Smith or Eugene Monroe falls to us…
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Exactly what I’m praying for. Or for the rams to realise also that the only receiver on their roster is a 2nd year guy so they want Crabtree..
March 20th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Raidernationstation,
re post #10. yep.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:24 am
18. I heard Todd Haley’s not a particularly popular with his players in Arizona. I hope he douches it up in KC then we’ve got two dysfunctional franchises in our division and the other with Norvelle sliding them into mediocrity.
Lets go Raiders!
I have to say, its pretty sweet to have told Denver and SD fans what was coming when they’d get on here the past 2 seasons and rip on us.
Hopefully, its our turn to start kiggin sum azz…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Sup peeeps?
I wonder if there may be something to one of those elite tackle prospects falling to us?
I think the Bengals need one, but if Stafford goes to Detroit, BJ Raji moves up and Crab goes in the top 6… ugh, who knows?
Come on draft day!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
KCassel a one hit wonder? Sounds just right.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:28 am
SacRaider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:20 am
They also want to give McDaniels a chance, but they think he is being a stubborn fool right now, simply trying to emulate Belichick’s no nonsense attitude….which would be fine if it wasn’t alienating one of their few good players.
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I actually thought McDaniels was the one who kept wanting to have sit down meetings with Cutler alone and Cutler was the one who was refusing (or buss cook refusing)?
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McDaniels simply isn’t willing to pat Cutler on the back and say you are our guy. He doesn’t want it to look like he is favoring the QB above the other players…works for Belichick because Brady is down to Earth, but it is not going to work with the brash, young gunslinger Jay Cutler….right or wrong that’s a fact jack. QBs are all different and McDaniels seems to be expecting Cutler to be a team first guy like Brady. Well, you have to work with what you have and if it take a little handholding to get Cutler on board when you can’t afford to lose him then you should do it.
But hey, if McDaniels gets his way and Cutler leaves then McDaniels is cutting his own throat in the fan’s minds and he will be fired because he can’t win with junk QBs and he had a pro bowl QB to start with. Such is life. I just plan on sitting back and enjoying the show!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Knowshon Moreno looks like he could go high too…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Nnamdi21,
from Cable’s recent words that he is directly focusing on getting the O-line perfected to help out JRuss, can there be any doubt that O-line is the draft priority at #7?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:31 am
M Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
KCassel a one hit wonder? Sounds just right.
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Whats his face the Guard / Tackle kid they drafted last year from VT was over hyped and they pissed awesome veteran guard Brian Waters off already so I hope Cassell finds out Larry Johnson has walked and he’s stuck with a team no where near as talented as the Pats, even though they gave up nearly 50 sacks last year…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Nnamdi21,
any team that needs RB should be looking at Knowshon. The kid is a talent.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Branden Albert
March 20th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I just plan on sitting back and enjoying the show!
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Haha, I agree on that. Finally another show to watch!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:33 am
M Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Nnamdi21,
any team that needs RB should be looking at Knowshon. The kid is a talent.
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Not a burner, but man, he looks really good. The kind of solid finisher any team would like to have.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Yeah, Knowshon looks pretty f’in good…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Sup peeeps?
I wonder if there may be something to one of those elite tackle prospects falling to us?
I think the Bengals need one, but if Stafford goes to Detroit, BJ Raji moves up and Crab goes in the top 6… ugh, who knows?
Come on draft day!!!
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I was listening to ESPN radio last night and a Detroit area writer was also saying its a real possibility Rajji could go Number 1 since the Lions traded away Corey Redding. wouldn’t that be something..
March 20th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Dakota,
I’m sure that you’ve put up with plenty of grief in Donkey territory the past few years, but he who laughs last…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:35 am
M Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Nnamdi21,
from Cable’s recent words that he is directly focusing on getting the O-line perfected to help out JRuss, can there be any doubt that O-line is the draft priority at #7?
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I would not be opposed to O line with the 1st 2 picks. Wonder if we’ll trade up to get Mack?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Seems like that we will all be surprised once Detroit finally makes up their mind on their pick.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Has Florida Pete been around here since it was noted that the Raiders already have four DTs on the roster?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:37 am
M,
Sadly, I haven’t taken a lot of schit from Broncos’ fans the past three or four years…they seemed to feel sorry for me…which was WAY WORSE!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:38 am
34. I was incredulous about Raji going that high, but after watching his work out, it was impressive. Have to wonder how much he benefitted from having the big boy playing next to him at BC though…
Would’ve helped his cause if last years top DT prospects had done something in the League their rookie year.
Dorsey and Ellis were non factors.
I wonder if Denver might look at Knowshon instead of Rey at 12?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Detroit has needs at nearly every position and they are probably freaking out knowing that whoever they decide to fork over 60,000,000 dollars to will not rectify the franchise.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:39 am
raidernationstation Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Have to wait and see if Cassell’s the next Tom Brady or just a flash in the pan, but his success seems to have injured the Broncos.
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I, for one, hope that he is the next Tom Brady. Because Cassell’s success last year proved what I’ve said all along: Tom Brady isn’t all that good. But their system is — strong o-line, consistently good field position from crafty defense, a motivated Moss to catch blindly thrown jump balls into double coverage, and a coach that *seems* to know what the defense is doing before they are.
Brady is mediocre in any other system. And Cassell — who couldn’t crack the starting lineup in his college career — is going to be a pure bust behind the KC seive of a line. Yeah, he has Bowe and an aging Gonzalez to make him look good with their great hands, but he doesn’t have the defense or the dominant coaching he had as luxuries in New England. And he also now has HUGE expectations on his shoulders where at last year all he had to do was not fail miserably to be ’successful’.
I’m thrilled that KC broke the bank for this guy. It’ll go down as one of the all time worst moves in their history.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I wonder if Denver might look at Knowshon instead of Rey at 12?
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Didn’t Beanie Wells have better workouts and slated to go higher than Knowshon? i thought Wells was a consideration at num 6?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:41 am
hope they trade Clunkler out of the conference, even if he stays there are too many microfractures and cracks in the Dungver Lockerroom. they tanked the season imo
ManIdiot is doin the same in Cleveland now. that said, i would love to package one or two of our DTs and the 2nd for Shaun Rogers…
(come on A-to-the-DEeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!)
March 20th, 2009 at 9:41 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Seems like that we will all be surprised once Detroit finally makes up their mind on their pick.
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With the 1st pick of the 2009 NFL draft the Detroit Liosn select…WR Michael Crabtree…oh wait, Millen not working there anymore huh?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Nnamdi21,
I’ve wondered about Cle and Cin, an old Jamal and a Cedric are all those two teams have at RB. Knowshon? Or the homestater Beanie Baby?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:42 am
44. Rodgers has been kind of flighty with his last 2 teams. reminds me of Gerard Warren…except Rogers can stop the run…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:44 am
M Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Detroit has needs at nearly every position and they are probably freaking out knowing that whoever they decide to fork over 60,000,000 dollars to will not rectify the franchise.
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Maybe they can just allow time to run out on the pick a few times and take the QB at #5 or 6 lol.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:44 am
42. YEAH!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Peace Nation! Gotta jet!
Enjoy the day!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Zymurge,
re post 42
it also helps to know exactly what the opposing defense is running ahead of time on any given play
March 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Yeah, I guess we al would have known who they would have taken had Millen still be there, huh?
Good one Nnamdi.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Matt Cassell meet Scott Mitchell.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Matt Cassel meet Tyler Thighpen too while we’re there…
March 20th, 2009 at 9:51 am
According to rotoworld.com, Johnson’s contract looks like:
2/12/2009: Signed a four-year, $15.4 million contract. The deal included a $4 million signing bonus.
2009: $2 million,
2010: $2.6 million,
2011: $3.2 million,
2012: $3.6 million,
2013: Free Agent.
Cap charges: $3 million (2009), $3.6 million (2010), $4.2 million (2011), $4.6 million (2012).
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1804
Wonder why Al won’t announce it?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Good morning Nation.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
#53 — Great analogy Vegas!
At least Mitchell was pretty highly rated his entire time as a backup. Anyone remember the Fatriots panicking last preseason when they were saying that nobody on the roster was playing like a capable QB backup?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:54 am
That’s a great Deal for the raiders, and a good onw for Johnson.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The reason I say Mitchell, is because he filled in with the Dolphins one year due to injury, and was pretty good. Everybody wanted to get him, the Lions threw a ton of money at him, and while he was OK he never lived up anywhere close to his contract. That is exactly how I see Casell turning out, pretty good but last year was the peak of his NFL career.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Matt didn’t have a good start. Also the pats sys is QB friendly.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am
but i dont think Brady is average though, thats a reach
he can make all the throws out of the pocket, has great presence in it, has the ability to look off the defenders real well and does many other things to pressure the defenses out of running/pro formations.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Matt Stafford looked great at his pro day yesterday. I hope Detroit takes him and somehow Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe falls to us…
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I doubt the Rams, Bengals, Chiefs & Seahawks all pass on these talented tackles at a position of need.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
the gaytriots operate in a officiating friendly environment
March 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
I doubt the Rams, Bengals, Chiefs & Seahawks all pass on these talented tackles at a position of need.
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We did last year when we drafted McFadden..
March 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Tyler Thigpen outplayed Russell last year.
They should have kept the Cassel draft pick and waited for the Pats to release Vrabel. Picked up Pace in FA and drafted Crabtree to pair with Bowe. yikes! the Chiefs could have had a pretty solid offense. Instead they made pro bowler Brian Waters angry and did nothing to console Larry Johnson, so it’s obvious he still wants out.
dumb chefs. I’d make a better GM than Pioli
March 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I hate the Pat, but Tom is money. End of the game, needing a drive who else would you want under center?
Another thing that went unnoticed, at the end of the Super Bowl loss to the Giants on their last drive. Two of his deep passes were perfectly thrown 65 yard bombs to Moss, who gave a half-azzed effort to go for the ball and still almost caught one. The balls could not have been thrown any better. I was totally impressed with Tom, and laughed at that’s why Moss will never win a title.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I hate Tom Brady and Mich too. Is he average?? I don’t think so, but the sys helped a lot.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Brian Orakpo DE out of Texas was on Sirius this morning, and said that the Raiders were one of the team’s that he’s interviewed with. I don’t know his talent level, I’m guessing 2nd or 3rd round. And, as always with the draft, an interview means exatly nothing, but it gives us a little insight into what positions the Raiders covet in this year’s draft.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:09 am
We did last year when we drafted McFadden..
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not many teams draft luxury over need. not many teams draft for skill positions when both lines are in shambles. The Raiders are the exception. Thats why we don’t win games. Games are won in the trenches and our trenches are full of busts and cast offs. I don’t expect many teams to follow Al Davis’ example of building a team
March 20th, 2009 at 10:09 am
4eva,
#63, LMAO, just got some nice Cush.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Orakpo will go in the top 10.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Hubbard: the Raiders hosted Chris Long last year too, but didn’t draft a DE until the 6th Round.
Brian Orakpo is a stud, but it doesn’t mean he’s our #1 choice or that we’re going to take a DE on Day 1 of the draft …
March 20th, 2009 at 10:12 am
and just think RRS you could take a page out of kiff’s book on how 2 sabotage a team
March 20th, 2009 at 10:13 am
A lot of Mock drafts have him gone by the 7th.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I guess my concern with Cutler is that he does have talent, and could turn around under McDaniel.
When I heard that the Broncoss may be talking to the Browns about a swap for Quinn, I was exstatic!
I would love to see horribe Quinn as the Starting QB for the Broncos!
March 20th, 2009 at 10:15 am
you could take a page out of kiff’s book on how 2 sabotage a team
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lane kiffin is a weasel and i’m glad he’s not getting a penny from Al Davis
March 20th, 2009 at 10:21 am
4eva,and others
Do you know who Matt Roth is? He plays OLB for the Dolohins. I think we should trade a 4th for him. He played DE at College, and his rookie season before BP took over and changed the D scheme from a 4-3 to a 3-4. At 6′4 278, he is still able to cover due to his athletic abillity, but the Dolphins are looking to upgrade that position with a tweener DE/OLB. Than a Base end playing OLB AKA Brayton.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:27 am
He had 40+ tackles, and 5 sacks last year where he wasn’t even comfortable in the scheme. Get him Al, and he was a high 2nd RD pick in 05.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
first!
March 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am
we need a MLB,imo
March 20th, 2009 at 10:39 am
4evaRaider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am
we need a MLB,imo
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No doubt, or at the very least, a better 3rd LB.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:39 am
We need MACK!
March 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Roth would play Base End for us, but I don’t think that will happen so..
March 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
The three headed MAC ATTACK J-Mac, D-Mac, and A-Mac
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March 20th, 2009 at 10:42 am
i think our new D cordinator will make life alot better for Raider fans. even if we don’t ad another starter 2 the D.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:42 am
How about MacCrab???
March 20th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Hopefulle, Jay Cutler caries his pouting into the season and use it to torpedo the Broncos season.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:49 am
The Mac Daddy howler works very well for coyotes…
March 20th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I think he is a player who hasn’t reached his full potential yet due to a scheme that doesn’t play to his strengths. He is a true Base End who has enough speed to rush the passer.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 10:09 am
We did last year when we drafted McFadden..
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not many teams draft luxury over need. not many teams draft for skill positions when both lines are in shambles. The Raiders are the exception. Thats why we don’t win games. Games are won in the trenches and our trenches are full of busts and cast offs. I don’t expect many teams to follow Al Davis’ example of building a team
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That’s what Millen did up in Detroit. Kept forcing the issue with wide receivers at the top of the draft. Charles Rogers #2, Mike Williams #10, Roy Williams #7 and Calvin Johnson #2.
All that investment in trying to get Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna a receiver. Yet it Mike Furrey that caught 100 balls.
The Raiders would be absolutely out of their minds to draft a receiver at 7. There is no Calvin Johnson in this draft.
Draft DT, DE, OT or LB…this team is too soft
March 20th, 2009 at 10:57 am
trade #7 for Peppers
March 20th, 2009 at 10:58 am
from the way Cable sounds we might go RT#7 then C#40.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 10:42 am
i think our new D cordinator will make life alot better for Raider fans. even if we don’t ad another starter 2 the D.
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Let’s not confuse John Marshall for Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson now. Marshall should be upgrade to Rob Ryan but lets remember that Ryan was competent enough to get hired by Bill Belichek and land on his feet to get another DC job.
Either the Raiders add talent on defense or they don’t. If they don’t and focus the 1st day on offense, they are acknowledging the defense will struggle again next year. Davis did say he would be patient going into 2009.
Draft or not….Terdell Sands is probably the worst DT in the league. Warren and Kelly are underachievers and Joseph is a camp body.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Dude Jerry…you’re a moron sometimes. Are you naive enough to think the RAiders will pay Nnamdi his 3rd year without reworking it. I GUARANTEE you if he performs in his first 2 years. They will rework his contract for more than just the 3rd year. Anyone with a common sense knows that the Raiders aint paying him his 3rd year. It will be reneg’d to 2 or 3 more years with some guaranteed money because no team is going to pay him that much for 1 year to outbid the Raiders. Dude get a clue sometimes.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
What if we drafted Crabs #7, than went O and D-line rest of draft (say Ron Brace, Wood and a few others)? Wouldn’t that be the best of both worlds?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:13 am
@ #93 – it’s really hard to tell. The system makes the players and the players make the system. If all the DTs in a system look bad and/or underachieve, it may just be that the system doesn’t let them play to their strengths. It may be that the system doesn’t do enough to keep the rest of the blocking off balance, so they can concentrate on up the middle.
Minimal blitzing means less last second reads and adjustment. There’s less chances of a misread and more confidence in the middle blockers to know in advance exactly what they need to do. It leaves the DTs at a disadvantage.
Compare that to a team like Tennessee, where they’ve got disruptive forces all across the line. That left Haynesworth with some matchup advantages and helped make him the force that he is. Do you disagree that Haynesworth would have been less effective in the Raiders D last year or that Kelly would have been more so in Tennessee last year?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:17 am
The pick is ALEX DACK
March 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am
# vegas raider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
What if we drafted Crabs #7, than went O and D-line rest of draft (say Ron Brace, Wood and a few others)? Wouldn’t that be the best of both worlds?
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What do you do about the safety position then? I’m thinking grab one of the good offensive tackles #7, then see if Sean Smith the Safety from Utah is still available at #40. Then grab one of the centers in the next two rounds. Done and Done.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I have a feeling I will be buying a Raiders Crabtree jersey this summer.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:26 am
i wouldn’t buy a crabtree jersey thats a stupid azz name to wear on your back
March 20th, 2009 at 11:26 am
#98
so many holes, so few picks. Screams of a trade down doesn’t it? This safety class is pretty weak, but that Smith kid was a stud at Utah. Big physical guy.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Just saw on ESPN blog that Bill Williamson thinks its a good idea to trade with the Eagles for their 21 and 28 and a 5th (probably already talked about yesterday since it was posted there yesterday) and i think thats a good idea. We could get both OL positions in Britton and Mack with those picks and then spend the 2nd on a WR or SS..
March 20th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Donkies should keep Cutler… he is a friggin moron.. Int prone.. horrid decision maker.. he won 11 games at Vandy simply because he has no brain.. the comparison between Cutler and Jeff George is dead on.. big arm who teases you with the bbig throw.. but eventually melts down and costs you the game.. Cutlers career alone proves that LOL.. time to get on the “Donkies keep Cutler bandwagon” as long as that fool is in Donkieville.. Donkies will never win a damn thing LOL and i love it
March 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
# vegas raider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:26 am
#98
so many holes, so few picks. Screams of a trade down doesn’t it? This safety class is pretty weak, but that Smith kid was a stud at Utah. Big physical guy.
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VR, I think you hit the nail on the head! This team has a lot of problems, and we are not going to solve all of them at once. Look at KC: they have more problems than we do. If they are smart they look at a couple of big problems, and try to get excellent long term solutions in there and continue to build for the next two or three drafts.
Right now, our offensive line is a shambles. Guys we thought were studs, did not work out, other guys left. Safety, might be the single most under rated position on the entire field. Maybe getting the Oline, and the safety positions dealt with right here, would be a huge step in the right direction.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:34 am
vegas raider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
What if we drafted Crabs #7, than went O and D-line rest of draft (say Ron Brace, Wood and a few others)? Wouldn’t that be the best of both worlds?
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I understand your viewpoint but don’t agree. The Raiders biggest weaknesses are on the lines. It would be easier to go 1st with a Curry, Raji, E. Monroe, J. Smith or A. Smith and get a bonnafide starter in the middle and then go wide receiver, if necessary, in the 2nd and grab a Brian Robiskie or Heyward-Bey.
Although I would pick D-Line, O-Line in the 1st 2 rounds.
1st Round: B.J Raji, DT
2nd Round: Max Unger, C
3rd Round: Jasper Brinkley, MLB
4th Round: Mitch King, DE,
March 20th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Wassup Oak?
I’ve kinda taken a step back for a few days, and tried to look at the big picture of our squad. At the end of the day, I think we absolutely need to spend everything we have on improving the offense. I rewatched most of the Denver win and the NE loss. We need a RT and C more than we need a WR.
AND, we need a DE in the worst way!
March 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Cutler to Detroit would be HUGE for us, as long as they don’t give up the #1 pick. That means any one wanting Stafford or Sanchez before 10 or 12 with SF and DEN, the 7 becomes an even hotter trade commodity.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rey is exactly what we need. He will prove to the rest of the Raider Nation that Morrison isnt a true MLB and will allow the DTs to play disciplined.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Zymerge #96 says:
Do you disagree that Haynesworth would have been less effective in the Raiders D last year or that Kelly would have been more so in Tennessee last year
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Haynesworth manhandles his opponent. He routinely gets double and triple teamed. He also lines up at all D-Line positions. Would he be less effective in Oakland? Somewhat because the talent around him would be less. But Haynesworth would make a ton more plays on the line than Sands and Kelly.
Would Kelly do better in Tennessee. Again, lining up with Haynesworth, Vandenbosch and Jevon Kearse would only make him better.
Let’s remember that Kelly and Sands were elevated by the Raiders. Kelly and undrafted free agent and Sands a 7th round NFL Europe refugee from Green Bay/K.C…Gerard Warren was a 1st round bust that our defensively challenged arch rivals onveniently “dumped” on us for a 5th round pick.
William Joseph? He sat on free agency, in a market where good DTs can command money, waiting for the Raiders to call him back.
Raiders don’t have any talent on the D-Line except the promise of Trevor Scott and the situational talents of Burgess
March 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am
The fact that we have had one decent S in Rod Woodson in like forever should tell us something. I’m just glad that we will no longer (HOPEFULLT!!!) see the dreaded single safety set that asks our FS to basically play CF.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Could someone please ask his nurse to wake Davis up!!?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Raider-405 Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rey is exactly what we need. He will prove to the rest of the Raider Nation that Morrison isnt a true MLB and will allow the DTs to play disciplined.
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Its the D-Line that sets up the linebacker….not the other way around
March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Wassup Oak?
I’ve kinda taken a step back for a few days, and tried to look at the big picture of our squad. At the end of the day, I think we absolutely need to spend everything we have on improving the offense. I rewatched most of the Denver win and the NE loss. We need a RT and C more than we need a WR.
AND, we need a DE in the worst way!
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That is exactly right! When you go back and watch the games again, it gives you a different perspective for certain. One thing you heard me say all year is these are team losses. The New England debacle is a perfect example of that: Justin Miller makes a poor decision to take out the opening kickoff from like 7 yards deep and doesn’t even get to the ten yard line. 3 and out, we give them the ball in our territory. They score. 2nd possession we go three and out again, the third down a Jamarcus fumble which we recover. Lechler shanks the punt, they have the ball on our 30 and they score again. 14-0 them. Right there game is over. you cannot take a team that went 18-0 the year before and just give them the lead like that. Especially, when you have ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE of getting first downs, more or less scoring actual points. Improving the offense so that they can get drives going and get first downs, not only improves field position but gives your defense the idea that maybe they have something to play for.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
DE’s are worse that our DTs …
No question about it.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Raider-405 Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rey is exactly what we need. He will prove to the rest of the Raider Nation that Morrison isnt a true MLB and will allow the DTs to play disciplined*****************************
Dummy, the Dt,s “protect” the MLB. Rey may light a fire under thier candy azz’s but his play will not help them dummy.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I hope Cutler goes to the NFC East and eats DeAngelo Hall’s heart twice a year, just like in last season´s opener…
March 20th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
DE’s are worse that our DTs …
No question about it.
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3/4ths of the D-Line needs to be replaced. With Asomugha and C.J in the secondary and an improved scheme for the safeties, most teams are going to go run 1st at the Raiders next year.
Can’t even throw to one-side of the field and C.J being more than capable of shutting down his side will make running the option of choice for opposing OCs.
Especially teams with average QBs/WRs
March 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
D line was under manned last year by questionable coaching decisions.
Cutting Joseph out of training camp was dumb.
When they added Joseph back into the rotation and went with four DTs instead of three they actually improved alot.
If you remember the Buffalo game our DTs were cooked.
Kelly was just coming back after a long layoff and Warren and Sands have never been noted for their conditioning.
Even if you don’t think Joseph is great he’s still servicable.
It was a stupid cut in the first place.
Another Kiffin bumble.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Raiders needs by order. IMO:
C
DT
DE,OL
S,WR
LB
March 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
for the 100th time we are not taking Crabtree at #7
March 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Raider O I agree except
C
DT DE
OL
MLB
S
March 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Correction: WR then S.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
i dont get how morrison isnt a mlb 135 tackles he must be doing something right
March 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
No WRs 666!! I font think we need one in the 1st, but a possesion WR in later rounds would be nice.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Larz Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
D line was under manned last year by questionable coaching decisions.
Cutting Joseph out of training camp was dumb.
When they added Joseph back into the rotation and went with four DTs instead of three they actually improved alot.
If you remember the Buffalo game our DTs were cooked.
Kelly was just coming back after a long layoff and Warren and Sands have never been noted for their conditioning.
Even if you don’t think Joseph is great he’s still servicable.
It was a stupid cut in the first place.
Another Kiffin bumble.
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As another poster stated, I am tired of waiting for the promise of Terdell Sands. He is a depth guy at best being paid starter salary.
Joseph! Did anyone else make a great effort to sign Joseph? Nope. Was cut by the Giants, cut by us twice yet there he was ready and available. Again, another depth guy at best.
Warren was traded to the Raiders by the Broncos. Since when would the Broncos do us any favors. A 5th round pick shows how much value Warren had in the market place.
Depth was a problem last year. I agree with that. But the talent has to be upgraded as well. Strong side defensive end is also a place of profound weakness.
Were it not for the talent available at Center in the 2nd round…I would be for drafting D-Line with the first two picks.
The Raiders CANNOT go into next year with the same starters on that D-Line.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
#123. some say he can’t shed blocks, and he doesn’t hit hard. I disagree, and I think most LBs in the NFL would gave problems shedding blocks from The O line. Our D line is in need of real strength. We need another DT and Base End who can help with the run, and has enough speed to stay on passing situations.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
# vegas raider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I hate the Pat, but Tom is money. End of the game, needing a drive who else would you want under center?
Another thing that went unnoticed, at the end of the Super Bowl loss to the Giants on their last drive. Two of his deep passes were perfectly thrown 65 yard bombs to Moss, who gave a half-azzed effort to go for the ball and still almost caught one. The balls could not have been thrown any better. I was totally impressed with Tom, and laughed at that’s why Moss will never win a title.
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dude, i thought the saame about those passes at the end and caught myself thinking how we would screw it somehow if it was us haha (Andre Rison running a out and up flashing through my mind). Mandy almost made the catch
March 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
For the 101st time WE ARE TAKING CRABS
March 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Why don’t you guys STFU about the draft talk. This article is about the donkey fiasco.
http://amiddleamericanbias.blogspot.com/
March 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
S&B: nice post #90
I would be very pleased if we got Orakpo & Brace for the first 2 rounds or Raji & Jackson. (I dont think Tyson Jackson will be a 1st rounder, despite what you projected yesterday)
only thing is… where does that leave Jamarcus? people are acting like Walker, Shields, Higgins & Schilens = a solid WR corps, but as of right now i’m not very impressed. not impressed with the o-line either.
I think the front seven on D is very important, but I’d hate to surround the franchise QB with garbage and have him end up the next Alex Smith, Ryan Leaf or Todd Marinovich…
March 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
piss coming from my azz
March 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
rd 1 T Jackson
rd 2 Brace
=run stopping dl
rd 1 Mack
rd 2 Brace
=Mack is a leader a stud and has a meanstreak
rd 1 Cushing
rd 2 Brace
= 3 lb’s flying all over the field
rd 1 Rey
rd 2 Brace
=Rey will be hardest hitting player in the NFL, meanest sonofabitch around
rd 1 Raji
rd 2 Unger
=Raji beats his man all day although Unger doesn’t jump out at me
March 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I am tired of waiting for the promise of Terdell Sands. He is a depth guy at best being paid starter salary.
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Kelly & Warren both converted their roster bonus to save the Raiders some money. Did Sands do the same? Was he even asked to? Is he going to be a June 1st cut? Are we hoping the 3rd time is a charm?
I asked Jerry for an update on Sands in the live chat, but he must not know anything, because he didn’t respond. A man his size shouldn’t be knocked out of the play. He should be tossing OL like rag dolls and stuffing the FB back into the RB or QB. He shouldn’t have punched Shane Lechler either. I don’t care what Shane said, he’s WAY more valuable to the team
March 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
125
I agree, with the talent upgrade, but even with marginal talent players can be coached up.
You and I can see Terdell breaks down late in games, and you and I could see Kelly was not in game shape at the start of the season.
Your offense is not eating any clock.
Now you’re a head coach what do you do go with 4 or 3 DTs to start the year?
Players are what they are, but you can’t execute when your bent over sucking air.
Even the most talented player can’t.
Coaches know their personell and make adjustments.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
RaiderRockstar,
If you are looking for impact for Russell, the Raiders would be better off looking for a veteran like Tory Holt or Marvin Harrison. Those are the only receivers that could come in and help JaMarcus right away. A rookie receiver in his 1st year is not going to be much better than JLH with 3 yrs of experience, Walker and Schilens with a year under his belt.
Only a veteran like Holt, Harrison or Issac Bruce could come in and be ready to read defenses, find the spots in the zone, has the good hands and could provide Russell some insights on the field.
A young QBs best friend is a dominant running game and a stout defense. The Ravens, Falcons, Steelers, Giants and Chargers basically used that model. As long as Schilens and JLH can keep up the pace they played with for the last 3 gms, that will be enough for Russell to get by.
Open up the passing game as the offense gets more confident in what its doing.
The Tampa game was the blue print for how the Raiders can win games. Strengthen the defense and that will keep games close and the field short for the offense
March 20th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Why don’t we see how this underachieving bunch on the defensive side of the ball responds to a new DC and coaching staff that doesn’t order pizza and allow players to nap through team meetings like Rob Fukin Ryan did before we go throwing a bunch of draft picks at a problem that might be solved by coaching? If the D still underperforms under Marshall, then let’s make the changes.
For now, maybe we should concentrate on getting the o-line in working order so that our offense can start getting closer to NFL caliber? This draft is loaded with offensive lineman, not DTs.
Why not use the strength of this draft to improve the o-line instead of taking a chance on defensive players that are not right for us, like Raji? You can say he can play NT, but he never did so how do you know? Taking players and then moving them around is part of the reason we sucked for the past six years…let’s move away from that practice and start playing players at their normal positions.
I am only talking about the first two rounds of the draft. We should certainly try and find a couple of defensive players in rounds 3-7, no doubt about it. But the talented players that are going in rounds 1 and 2 are o-line and WRs, with a few exceptions sprinkled in…
Tackle and C rounds 1 and 2.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
The defense has enough talent to compete. We can pull out at least one example in almost every game of the defense giving up 1 or 2 big runs per game, just like the one reviewed a few weeks ago against Carolina. big runs that should have been contained by 2 or 3 people on D. 1 or 2 plays!
No the offense was a completely different story. RT AND C HAVE to be the priority over DE and DT. They just have to. Kelly can not be called an underachiever coming off of ACL surgery. CMON! He is our #1 DT plain and simple. We do not have a #1 DE at all. In fact, I think we only have 1 player who ANYONE is looking forward to seeing, and he was a situational pass rusher last year. Talk about expecting a lot out of Scott this year? Geeze. Burgess gave us less than Warren, or Sands, OR Joseph. Richardson? Again I say, Cornell Green of the Dline. We have nothing at DE, absolutely nothing.
And with that said, I still go offense with the first 2 picks.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Jerry doesn’t respond to real questions that require facts to answer, but he responds to questions about his personal opinions. Who do you think the raiders will draft, who do you think is better, why do you think that. As if Jerry’s opinion really matters ( NO DISRESPECT TO YOU JERRY, but you font work for the organization).
March 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
i remember Giants wanting to trade for Sands last year. so he has some value somewhere.
maybe Shaun Rogers is tired of the 3-4 and the ungratefull job he has obsorbing blockers and fighting double and triple teams all day. Sands and a second rounder could be enough if he keeps being a distraction (read he was skipping)
that guy is a waist in that system
March 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Font= don’t.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
The Ravens, Falcons, Steelers, Giants and Chargers all have an o-line to open up running lanes and protect the QB.
drafting a DE & DT in the first 2 rounds does nothing to protect Russell.
Remember the o-line we had in 2006? yet our defense was pretty good (stats wise), remember? Russell running for his life, getting sacked, fumbling the ball and throwing incomplete passes will turn him into the next David Carr or Andrew Walter.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RaiderRockstar,
As for Sands, my guess is that he is being kept around pending a key free agent or pickup in the draft. If no one is picked up than Sands will be on again for another year.
However, should a new pick up be made in the draft or free agency then Sands will either be cut or asked to restructure his contract and be ready to compete in camp. Joseph is no lock to make the roster either.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
#129 you imitate me so well i almost thought that was me?
Raider O Al Davis says we are set at WR
March 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I like Big Baby Rodgers, but what would it take to get him from the Browns? We need our first 3 picks.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I just think that our LT is going to be the winner of the Henderson/Barnes battle. And if Barnes beats out Henderson, then he will be signed to a long term deal. It’s either going to be Henderson or Barnes.
RT is the big question. Pears was a decent starter the year before last, and missed last season b/c of an apendectomy.
I agree with not moving guys around, so we need to draft the best RT we can. If we can’t talk about C’s at 7, then I don’t want to talk about RTs at 7.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Torry Holt MAY come here, Marvin Harrison will not. I heard Clayton say that his agent has told teams he would rather retire than take less money. He also wants to stay on the East Coast and play for a winner. All that equals no dice for Harrison, probably for the better.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Dakota: I like that plan #136
Jhill: nice post #137. Agreed
March 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
drafting a DE & DT in the first 2 rounds does nothing to protect Russell.
Remember the o-line we had in 2006? yet our defense was pretty good (stats wise), remember? Russell running for his life, getting sacked, fumbling the ball and throwing incomplete passes will turn him into the next David Carr or Andrew Walter.
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Exactly …
March 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I heard him, and I agree. Chaz and JLH showed Talent, but they are still young. Arman is a ? and Walker is one injury away from retirement. If we can get a good Possesion WR in later Rounds why not, you need more than 4 WRs on the Roster.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Vegas: Torry Holt wants to finish his career with the Panthers. He’s a NC native and wants to live close to home. Who knows if they’ll make him an offer? He’ll probably give them a hometown discount
Marvin Harrison is damaged goods. He might return to the Colts or latch on with the Eagles. I can’t see him going anywhere else and being productive.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Sands is not going ANYWHERE …
Dude’s Mom died the year before last, and he played like a decent backup last year. To worry about his salary when you see the multiple examples of the Raiders keeping their cards close to the vest is ridiculous. It was Sands’ play as a backup that got him the nice contract. We did overestimate him and think he should start, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a good BACKUP! How cares how much money he makes??!?!? He’s a backup, and you’re not going to find anyone better for his price.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Rockstar,
Exactly. Holt and Harrison aren’t coming our way. BTW, what happened to the whole Jerry Porter talk? More pie?
March 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
John Marshall could improve the defense. But the same can be said that the offense will improve with Sanjay Lal, Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett and Tom Cable full-time. Greg Knapp and DeFilipo had no experience grooming good QBs. James Lofton was forced on the Raider coaching staff. So you say that Marshall will = a better defense and I say the same for the offense.
Many of you are making the same mistakes analyzing this team that national pundits are making. They say, the Raiders need a WR because JLH only had 22 receptions to lead the team! Well, he had 12 of those receptions in the last 3 weeks where he started. Schilens was injured a good portion of the year and came on strong at the end of the season. Against three good defenses too.
The national pundits also dismiss Mario Henderson out of hat because he had “help”. Yet you guys give every excuse under the sun for the performance of Sands/Kelly/Warren and Joseph.
The defense took the Raiders out of too many games last year for me to be comfortable. Even the Bucs gm could have been different had Cadillac not gone down after a 20 yard run! Against, NE, SD, NO and Denver, the defense was out of the game before the game got started. Couldn’t hold 4th QTR leads, in some cases -2-score leads- against the Bills, Chargers and Dolphins.
I have no problem grabbing an OT at #7. In Cable I trust and if he goes that high the guy must be good. But hear this…the only way we get OT is if J. Smith or E. Monroe fall to us. He ain’t taking 330lb Andre Smith.
Finally, the Raiders have not drafted a DL/LB in the 1st round since 2003. Given the lackluster talent on this roster, that’s a long time to go with no infusion of real talent.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I caught your sarcasam Jerry.
It was a good line and pretty obvious to me.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I know this ideal has been beaten to a pulp, but I’ll bet you guys we are picking Mack with the 7th pick.
March 20th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Barnes is a starting LT if not Henderson is. If Barnes starts Pears/Henderson/Mcquistan/Green can compete for RT if Henderson is LT Barnes/Pears/Mcquistan/Green compete for RT. None of the Tackles in the draft are Chris Long or Joe Thomas. Mack however is a stud and he immediately holds everybody accountable so who cares what he’s projected or if he’s a so called “reach” @ 7. Same thing for Cushing who’s a star LB in the NFL especially if you get Brace @2. Rey is that guy (with Brace of course) who changes momentum in the game ala Roy Williams by delivering a punishing hit. Andre Smith is not a sure thing. Oher is not a sure thing. J Smith and even a sure thing. Mack/Cushing/Rey/Raji are sure things. T Jackson isn’t J Peppers but he does a good job stopping the run at the end position.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Since we normally carry at least 5 WRs, we are going to add a WR for sure …
JLH
Chaz
Walker
Shields
Unless you are big Holland and Watkins fans, then it seems like we’ll add someone. I think it may be a vet. I think the young guys we have will get every opportunity to fail before we bring in another youngster.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Jerry, you’re in rare form today, I like it.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
RaiderRockstar – I am with you on that one dude.
I am sick of everyone talking about how bad JAM is when he has Plan B WRs to work with. I just don’t want us to do JAM like the Eagles have done to McNabb. Every year they talk about McNabbs game when he does it with nobody WRs through out his whole career. Yes we have two heck of a backs man but no defense out there respects our WRs. Chaz and JLH had a couple of games there at the end but look at their total productivity for the year. It sucks!!!! It is not realistic to continue to talk about DMAC like he is a WR as well, he is a running back who cn catch out the backfield. All the rest of the WR are inconsistant and JLH does not run the best routes man.
Plus, I look at our defense in comparison to other defenses and they are not that bad on paper. What I hate even more than our defense was Rob Ryan and his dumb @$$ play calling. His schemes were horrible and I will give Kiffin that. He should have been axed!!!
Look bottom line is the WRs available in free agency are dried up man. They are not Jerry Rice Tim Brown conditiones. They suck now along with Walker. We do not need a nother project at WR. We have that in Shields with his bad knees. We do not need a WR with the 4th round pick with speed and knee problems. We need a good fresh WR that can do it now. Take a quality WR at 7. This draft is stacked with good lineman talent on both sides of the ball. Take advantage of that.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“– The stealth trade talk with Russell have been going on simultaneously with the Raiders’ official request to change uniform colors and negotiations which will culminate with Davis and Kiffin jointly announcing they’ll let bygones be bygones.”
Very funny, Jerry. LMAO!!! I’m sure you got quite a few of the mouthbreathers here riled up pretty good with that load. Love it.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I agree with JHill.
Besides Kelly the other three are servicable DTs as long as they are rotated, I’ve seen teams win with far worse.
Warren is capable of big plays as long as he is fresh late in games.
He will also be hungry for more green$$$
There are not DTs in this draft that will radiclly change our depth chart.
Were are the great DTs from last years draft and this one is way weaker.
I’ll take an established Pro over what’s available in the first two rounds…and save big $$$$$$$ for a playmaker.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
The Ravens, Falcons, Steelers, Giants and Chargers all have an o-line to open up running lanes and protect the QB.
drafting a DE & DT in the first 2 rounds does nothing to protect Russell.
Remember the o-line we had in 2006? yet our defense was pretty good (stats wise), remember? Russell running for his life, getting sacked, fumbling the ball and throwing incomplete passes will turn him into the next David Carr or Andrew Walter.
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The Raiders O-Line problems is mostly pass protection and playing the right running back, (Bush/DMAC over the straight ahead Fargas). The Raider running game actually “slipped” last year to 10th in the league. Again, mostly due to injuries in the backfield.
Those other teams keep the ball on the ground because it protects young QBs. Sets up more 1-1 coverage as safeties focus on the run stoppage. Allows playaction. The Falcons and Ravens were 1-2 in running the ball last year. They didn’t just tell Flacco and Ryan to start flinging the ball until later in the year.
They also had defenses that kept the game close so they didn’t have to chuck the ball 40x AND gave the offense the ball back to have more shots at scoring.
The O-Line was challenged last yr in pass protection. But in no way were they even CLOSE to being as bad as 2006. Basically Kwame Harris was as bad as 2006 and that was Cable’s fault for keeping him in there too long.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
the Raiders have not drafted a OL in the 1st round since 2004. Given the lackluster talent on this roster, that’s a long time to go with no infusion of real talent.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Rockstar,
Exactly. Holt and Harrison aren’t coming our way. BTW, what happened to the whole Jerry Porter talk? More pie?
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I agree, Holt and Harrison aren’t coming here. I mentioned vet receivers because that’s what it will take if you are looking for a Day 1 significant contributor over what on the roster now.
Receivers take time to develop. Probably the hardest to develop next to QB. Crabtree, Maclin and any of these other guys are not going to come to Oakland and tear it up. They will not put up numbers in their 1st yrs that JLH, Schilens, Walker couldn’t put up.
Being a receiver is more than just sprinting out and catching the ball. Receivers have to understand defenses, read zones, develop route running, mesh with the QB and understand blocking assignments on run plays. They have to understand the playbook like a QB does. That’s why there are so few dominant receivers in the game now. Fitzgerald didn’t develop overnight either!
A good vet receiver can come in and understand how to play on day 1. If you are looking for immediate impact on the WR, Crabtree/Maclin ain’t going to do it in the 1st year.
Better to have Russell continue building his rapport with Schilens, JLH, Walker and Shields and fill other needs.
The freekn Lions tried the WR before Lineman strategy and that resulted in a spectacular failure.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
we should try and trade down to 10 or 11 and take Rey Maualuga.. stopping the run is #1 priority…
March 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I make no excuses for Joseph as he wasn’t even on the team until we fired Kiffin.
Going to a four man rotation was the best thing that ever happened.
That D-line was out of gas before the season started and I beleive an upgrade at DE would be a better investment.
If Richardson doesn’t put on 30 lbs and move inside they should say by by.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
LMN is going to be pi$$ed!
the Eagles signed FB Leonard Weaver today
March 20th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
the Raiders have not drafted a OL in the 1st round since 2004. Given the lackluster talent on this roster, that’s a long time to go with no infusion of real talent.
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True. But at least Gallery became a good Guard. At least the OL is solid in the run game. Ranked 5th in the league in 07 and 10th in 08. Plus when Kwame Harris was replaced there was instantaneous improvement
The defensive line has been at the bottom amoung the WORST run defenses in the league during that same time frame
March 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
S&B,
We agree on one thing…I too would take Raji over a WR at #7.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Larz Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I make no excuses for Joseph as he wasn’t even on the team until we fired Kiffin.
Going to a four man rotation was the best thing that ever happened.
That D-line was out of gas before the season started and I beleive an upgrade at DE would be a better investment.
If Richardson doesn’t put on 30 lbs and move inside they should say by by.
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Kelly and Sands were out of shape all through camp and that translated into the season. I’ll give Kelly a pass due to his knee I guess.
That 4-man rotation didn’t really translate on the field. Still got mauled on the ground.
As for DE, the need is a base DE to line up over the Right Tackle and Tight End. Not necessarily a pass rushing DE. Tyson Jackson would be a better base DE for this purpose than Orakpo.
Trevor Scott and Burgess should be a good 1-2 for pass rush.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
My fear is Al taking a WR in round 1 and a S in round 2.
Might as well pack it in for 2009 through 2010 if that happens.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Tomycar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
we should try and trade down to 10 or 11 and take Rey Maualuga.. stopping the run is #1 priority…
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You mean trade down to like 20 to 32…cuz Rey aint worth anything above that.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Dakota Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
S&B,
We agree on one thing…I too would take Raji over a WR at #7.
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I would be fine with an OT in the 1st too. J.Smith, E. Monroe or M. Oher. But under no circumstances is this team good enough on either line to go get a receiver at #7.
That would be like getting a flat screen t.v when the plumbing has gone bad.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Dakota Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
S&B,
We agree on one thing…I too would take Raji over a WR at #7.
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I would be fine with an OT in the 1st too. J.Smith, E. Monroe or M. Oher. But under no circumstances is this team good enough on either line to go get a receiver at #7.
That would be like getting a flat screen t.v when the plumbing has gone bad.
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Yep, lol, or like buying that brand new corvette when you are living in a run down single-wide.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
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Agreed on the base end.
They can be had cheaper than baby DTs for millions.
But they should have at least a move or to to the QB or they are easily blocked, and they tip your hand on what scheme you are running.
Richardson is good against the run but one dimensional.
Kelly should have been afforded a 4 man rotation at the begining of the year and been able to play his way into shape.
Instead we did it backwards.
Keeping 5 DEs and only 3 DT with our light weight LBs was a statigic mistake and we never got back on track.
I will disagree, we were able to stop some teams later in the season when it counted. But yes, it wasn’t consistant.
The 1st half was a disaster.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
The Raiders O-Line problems is mostly pass protection and playing the right running back, (Bush/DMAC over the straight ahead Fargas). The Raider running game actually “slipped” last year to 10th in the league. Again, mostly due to injuries in the backfield.
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Let’s look at how good the Raiders Bush/McFadden tandem was last year behind a terrible o-line. shall we?
Broncos: DMC 9 for 46
Chiefs: DMC 21 for 164, Bush 16 for 90
Bills: DMC 14 for 42, Bush 14 for 55
Chargers: DMC 7 for 20, Bush 14 for 48
Saints: DMC 8 for 30, Bush 3 for 9
Jets: DMC 8 for 39
Ravens: Bush 6 for 10
Falcons: Bush 3 for NEGATIVE 2
Panthers: Bush 8 for 30
Dolphins: DMC 3 for 13
Broncos: DMC 10 for 38, Bush 2 for zero
Chiefs: DMC 7 for 13
Chargers: DMC 1 for zero, Bush 2 for 4
Patriots: DMC 12 for 46
Texans: DMC 12 for 46
Bucs: DMC 1 for 2, Bush 27 for 177
so in reality McFadden broke 100 yards once and Bush broke 100 yards once. look at their yards against tough opponents. TERRIBLE. the o-line doesn’t need help run blocking?
March 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Why isn’t anyone mentioning Drew Carter in the WR depth? Granted, he’s not *on* the roster at the moment, but that’s a technicality
Last reports that I saw, he stated he wanted to be back and apparently the Raiders were talking to his agent about resigning. Given his lost year in 2008, his market value has to be rather low, so Oakland should be a favorite to sign him and do so at a decent price.
OK, so the guy is coming off his second ACL injury and has a track record of bad ankles to go with that. But he is effective when healthy, brings that element of a size/speed combo that Big Al loves, and sounds to be a good hard working, veteran presence that could fill that void on the young WR staff. He also has built some rapport with JaMarcus and knows the system.
To me, he is one of the best FA options out there for the abovce reasons and because he should be relatively easy on the cap. If he were to manage to stay healthy for 16 games, all the better.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
SilverNBlack666 Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
#129 you imitate me so well i almost thought that was me?
Troll! I’m serious! This article is about the donkey fiasco and I posted a great link to it!
March 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
As to Mack, once I found out his real weight is 307 and not 317 and he only benched 22 reps, I definitely think we should NOT move up to draft him.
Unger is just as good, about the same weight, and might be there in round 2. Eric Wood had some better numbers than Mack and he benched 225 30 times, which shows he is substantially stronger than either Unger or Mack.
I would settle for Unger or Wood in round 2 rather than trading picks to move up for Mack.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Right RRS ..
And we can post the defensive stats AGAIN against the starting RBs again if you want. You know it shows that our run defense was just fine, say 1 or 2 plays the whole game. You do not spend the #7 pick in the draft to correct 1 or 2 big runs.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
The Raiders are stupid right now not to hurry up and sign SS Roy Williams on the dotted line. I can’t hearing all this offer him a minimum contract? Are u serious? I know him personally, and he’s a friend went to the same high school and everything. He’s definetly worth $4 mil a year and i would lock him up long term and bring him home. There’s no one that would benefit greatly than S Michael Huff! Tyvon Branch would benefit greatly also from this. I would like us to sign a vet LE such as Philip Daniels or Vonnie Holliday to add some leadership to our young defense. We had a good one a few years back in Bobby Hamilton inwhich Burgess came off the bench to have his best season? As far as the draft goes, I don’t think Crabtree, Macklin, Andre Smith, Rey Mauluga, or Alex Mack will be our pick. I put my money on WR Percy Harvin being our pick at #7. I wouldn’t be mad at this pick cuz i still believe Crabtree will be gone before 7 and that means Macklin may be the next option, but I’d rather Percy Harvin instead. Macklin reminds me of Johnnie lee higins that already plays for us, and seems will be a hitting dummy in the league. Crabtree reminds me a lil of Arman Shields that we already have. But Percy Harvin doesn’t remind me of any reciever we have on our team, and is very very explosive! I no he had some durability issues but we must remember that the dude did play alot of running back. To me, he’s the second coming of WR Steve Smith! Remember Steve Smith was a running back too also coming out of college, I think he’s in the same mold as Smith. Percy Harvin will be our pick at #7.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Given the fact that Kelly is out starting DT and that isn’t going to change…there isn’t one guy worth the number 7 pick in this draft that can help our run defense.
Period. End of story.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
RaiderRockstar,
We all know that DMAC was slowed down by injuries last year. Two turf toes and a shoulder problem. Bush was only given 3 games to really be the guy (K.C, Buffalo, Tampa).
March 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
But there should be someone there that can improve our pass and run blocking!!!
Big manboobs himself, Andre Smith.
Yeah Cable said something about liking sleeker o-lineman, but he is just saying that so no one trades up to get him before we pick. They did the same thing last year with McFadden.
March 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Jhill is right baby DTs are not worth the money.
You can pick up cheap run stuffers like Joseph.
we need to put the friggin rock in the endzone.
That will alter the oppositions game plan in a hurry and I don’t see how paying uber dollars to some twinkie eating 20 year old is going to do that.
If we are behind they will still run the ball and the law of averages says they will hit a long one or move the chains.
Hell we do that too.
$$$$$=playmaker!!!X TD TD TD = Wins
March 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Al Davis’ Checkbook Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“– The stealth trade talk with Russell have been going on simultaneously with the Raiders’ official request to change uniform colors and negotiations which will culminate with Davis and Kiffin jointly announcing they’ll let bygones be bygones.”
Very funny, Jerry. LMAO!!! I’m sure you got quite a few of the mouthbreathers here riled up pretty good with that load. Love it.
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I am not a mouthbreather!
March 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Right RRS ..
And we can post the defensive stats AGAIN against the starting RBs again if you want. You know it shows that our run defense was just fine, say 1 or 2 plays the whole game. You do not spend the #7 pick in the draft to correct 1 or 2 big runs.
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JHill,
I respect your opinion on this. I really do. Especially on the need for the Base DE. But on this post I have to shake my head. Your telling me that 1 or 2 big plays a game is the difference between a respectable run defense and the 2nd worst run d that the Raiders have now?
Actually, if its one or two big plays a game, then that would scream for a guy like Raji. Maybe one playmaker up front would stop that one big play you speak of.
If the defense was middle of the road, I could go along, but 31st against the run is what they are.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Its a great debate as to weather or not the OL or the DL is most glaring need for us to address in this years draft.
One this is very clear we are not taking a WR at #7 I think any posters in here with an IQ over 80 would agree. the few drooling retard trolls we have in here want a WR at #7.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
We all know that DMAC was slowed down by injuries last year. Two turf toes and a shoulder problem. Bush was only given 3 games to really be the guy (K.C, Buffalo, Tampa).
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how many games was Fargas out or limited due to injury? Those are the games that DMC & Bush should have dominated. Right?
that’s 4 games – 3 of those teams didn’t make the playoffs and SD finished with 8 wins. DMC & Bush beat up on who? The Chiefs. They finished with 2 wins and every team put their run defense to shame.
It’s not just the players S&B. it’s the o-line
March 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
The #7 pick should really be simple …
Line up the best players 1-15 in order of best player, regardless of position. At 7, look at the top guy left and ask yourself if you can use him. Just like DMac last year.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Raji is good enough for the Lions to invite for an interview. They’ve invited Curry, Stafford, Monroe, J. Smith and Raji. Chiefs, Seahawks, Browns, Bengals, Packers are all looking hard at Raji.
Not suggesting he’s going #1. But shows the respect he is getting for where he could go in this draft.
#7 would fit just nicely for the Raiders.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
SilverNblack666 Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Its a great debate as to weather or not the OL or the DL is most glaring need for us to address in this years draft.
One this is very clear we are not taking a WR at #7 I think any posters in here with an IQ over 80 would agree. the few drooling retard trolls we have in here want a WR at #7.
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I don’t want a WR at #7, but to say there is no way Al won’t take the shiny play-maker at #7, is pretty drooling retarded.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Raiders pass on Raji for the same reason they passed on Ellis and Dorsey last year…Tommy Kelly.
Right or wrong, it is what it is.
At least Raji isn’t a midget DT though.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Yeah S&B, 1 or two plays. Like the Carolina game we reviewed. 1 play goes for 70 yds instead of 7. other than that 1 play, Williams was held to 70 yds on 18 carries, and J Stewart was held to 21 yds on 7 carries. And the long 70 yd run was against the backup DT.
So yeah, 1 or 2 plays made all the differnce in the world last year
March 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
@ Dakota — I read that Mack has an unusually long wingspan for a center. They called it “tackle like”. That’s considered a big advantage in the pass blocking game to create separation.
They key is that it lowers the expectations on bench press reps, because it takes more effort to move the weight relatively further than his more typical, stubby armed center peers. If you ever look at competitive power lifters (no, not a hobby of mine), you’ll see that they are all built with relatively short arms and legs.
But if you want to look at interesting combine stats, he had a phenomenal broad jump. I’m not sure how that translates to football — he can jump over the NG to get into the second level faster? — but it does give a good indication of his leg strength, which is where you want a center to have most of his power anyway.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Roy Williams please
March 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
We all know that DMAC was slowed down by injuries last year. Two turf toes and a shoulder problem. Bush was only given 3 games to really be the guy (K.C, Buffalo, Tampa).
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how many games was Fargas out or limited due to injury? Those are the games that DMC & Bush should have dominated. Right?
that’s 4 games – 3 of those teams didn’t make the playoffs and SD finished with 8 wins. DMC & Bush beat up on who? The Chiefs. They finished with 2 wins and every team put their run defense to shame.
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DMAC hurt his toe against K.C. He was slipping and sliding against Buffalo with his toe shot up with painkiller and only had 7 carries against S.D. Kiffin should have sat DMAC down those two games and fed the ball to Bush. Instead, they opted to give an 80% DMAC the ball.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Larry Johnson held to 22 yds on 12 carries in week 2, and 92 yds on 24 carries in the 2nd matchup with 1 long run of 15 yds. 3 yd avg per carry.
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries with a 14 yd run.
Bush and McAllister combined for less the 100yds on 27 carries.
W McGahee 58 yds on 23 carries.
4 of these games were losses, and it WAS NOT because we couldn’t stop the run.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Zymurge,
Good points on the Center position. Thanks.
I know Unger played LT for a while at Oregon…not sure about his arm length in comparison to Mack.
Mack’s broad jump was substantially greater than Ungers 8′10″ to 7′9″…so maybe you are onto something there.
Still…is Mack so much better than Unger that we should trade up in front of the Viqueens at 22 to pick him? To get the #21 pick acording to the draft trade chart we would have to give up our 2nd, 3rd and sixth rounders to move up that far. losing that 3rd round pick and not drafting a DE/LB/DT would hurt.
If Mack fell to the end of the first round and then we traded up to #32 to get him it would only cost us our 2nd and maybe a future 5th rounder….not so bad, I would do it then. But I have a feeling Mack isn’t getting by the Viqueens at #22…at least that is what Viqueen fans seem to think around here.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
The #7 pick should really be simple …
Line up the best players 1-15 in order of best player, regardless of position
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Curry
Monroe
J. Smith
Stafford
Orakpo
Raji
Crabtree
A. Smith
E. Brown
A. Maybin
T. Jackson
Cushing
Mauluaga
Jenkins
V. Smith
March 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
1.Crablegs
2.Best center (trade up to first pick in the 2nd round if he is there).
3.safety or converted CB many not swift CBs in this draft that can become good safeties.
4.Base DE
5.MLB
6.DT depth or project.
7.OT project.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
28 carries for Bush, 21 for McFadden against the Bills & Chargers in Weeks 3 & 4.
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Bush had 1 good game all season and it was Week 17. Had he (or the o-line) been as dominant from Week 2 going forward he might had stolen more carries from the other 2 backs. OT Henderson even started in KC & Buffalo.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
SacRaider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 8:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Dakota, a lot of teams have leaders on defense. We don’t. A lot of teams will be scared off by his age. That’s never stopped Al Davis before. He’s known for grabbing players past their prime and milking a few more solid years out of them.
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I think our leader needs to be the corner we are paying $14m+ per year for.. He is a stand up guy and leads by example with production. Thats your leader.
what corners do you know that are leading there team?
it needs to be a line backer or dline
March 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
S&B: Tyson Jackson isn’t one of the top 15 players in the draft. He’s not even one of the top 5 DE’s
March 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
This Unger or Wood is as good as Mack talk in here needs to stop. Seriously most of you guys don’t even know about the college players until the season is over. You look on the internet and watch the combine to formulate your opinions. My god just stop please
March 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
1 raji
2 robiskie
3 d line
4 o line
5 safety
March 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
This Unger or Wood is as good as Mack talk in here needs to stop. Seriously most of you guys don’t even know about the college players until the season is over. You look on the internet and watch the combine to formulate your opinions. My god just stop please
ITS CALLED A JOB
March 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Tyson Jackson? Lack of pass rush! You guys are reaching big time just like Al will do at 7 if there isnt a trade. Bank on it
March 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I hate March. NBA season is getting tedious. The NFL Draft wait begins to get tiresome. And this stupid fuking March madness schit dominates the sports news.
I was a big fan of college b-ball…back when they were actual teams that we watched develop over 4 season. Now it is a bunch of 19 and 20 year old mercenaries biding their time before they become draft eligible.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
March 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Crablegs all the way!
If he’s there.
Al does not mind waiting on him to mature.
There is only one player on that list that will alter the way a defense plays us and that is Crabs.
Hands are money.
Al must have Crabs!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
what corners do you know that are leading there team?
it needs to be a line backer or dline
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exactly. I can see it now …
Asomugha: alright guys. we’re gonna stuff the run. ready?
Warren: alright, whats your assignment?
Asomugha: i’ll be in man coverage. duh
Warren: I guess you’re not gonna help then, huh?
Asomugha: not unless I have to. My job is to blanket the WR on every play man. just do your job
Warren: whats my assignment?
Kelly: my knee hurts. if it weren’t for that huge contract I’d be resting this game
Sands: I’m hungry!
Joseph: geez terdell. you look tired. how many plays in a row you been in? i’ll sub for ya
Sands: two in a row! thanks man..
March 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
al isnt even paying Craptree any attention guys. Not at all
March 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
So Mario the LT? Eh, I knew better last summer. My great king Oakglenn doesnt dig the guy too much but that’s okay. You dont always have to agree with your superiors you just follow orders
March 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
lol, I guess Brien isn’t into my posts today. Thankfully his expertise can enlighten us all!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
212
You forgot about DeAngelo:
Don’t worry guys I got your back.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
what corners do you know that are leading there team?
it needs to be a line backer or dline
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exactly. I can see it now …
Asomugha: alright guys. we’re gonna stuff the run. ready?
Warren: alright, whats your assignment?
Asomugha: i’ll be in man coverage. duh
Warren: I guess you’re not gonna help then, huh?
Asomugha: not unless I have to. My job is to blanket the WR on every play man. just do your job
Warren: whats my assignment?
Kelly: my knee hurts. if it weren’t for that huge contract I’d be resting this game
Sands: I’m hungry!
Joseph: geez terdell. you look tired. how many plays in a row you been in? i’ll sub for ya
Sands: two in a row! thanks man..
Damn RRS, you are a cold piece of work
March 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Brien the General Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Dakota Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
lol, I guess Brien isn’t into my posts today. Thankfully his expertise can enlighten us all!!!!
I generally like you posts but when it comes to hoops you are a bit off sir. Yes my expertise is needed in here at times just like yours my right winged friend
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College b-ball is now pure crap. The days of great teams playing together for years is over. The only teams that run actual offensive sets well are those with players that have no talent. The rest of the teams just let their one or two mercenaries run the show shooting 3 pointers or trying to dunk.
There will never be another great Duke-UNLV type matchup.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Larry Johnson held to 22 yds on 12 carries in week 2, and 92 yds on 24 carries in the 2nd matchup with 1 long run of 15 yds. 3 yd avg per carry.
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries with a 14 yd run.
Bush and McAllister combined for less the 100yds on 27 carries.
W McGahee 58 yds on 23 carries.
4 of these games were losses, and it WAS NOT because we couldn’t stop the run.
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exactly it was cuz we couldnt score
March 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
thats y i want crabtree
March 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
you guys have a great/safe weekend.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Updated Mock
Detroit – Stafford. Culpepper is the only QB on the roster
St Louis – Jason Smith
KC – Crabtree. Best player in the draft, everyone tells me. Crabtree would instantly be their best WR.
Seattle – Aaron Curry. Need to replace Peterson
Cleveland – Chris Wells. Local product fresh off his 4.3 forty yard dash.
Cincy – Eugene Monroe. Need Oline help.
Oakland – Trades back to # 12 with Denver. No more hard feelings since Shanny is gone.
Raiders get #12 and #20, the pick Denver picked up in the Cutler trade.
Denver select Marc Sanchez.
Jacksonville – Andre Smith. The Jags line is so depleted, they take the best available OL.
Green Bay – Orakpo. Need OLB as the switch to the 3-4
SF – Maclin. Why not?
Buffalo – Knowshon Moreno. Backup plan for the gun toting Lynch.
Oakland – Michael Oher.
March 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
When North Dakota State and South Dakota State are in the tournaments you know college b-ball is going down hill….if not at rock bottom.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
weneed robiskie Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
1 raji
2 robiskie
3 d line
4 o line
5 safety
NOT
Raji is not going to stop vet OG, or C in this league.
He is WEAK.
Robski is a Pollock, not worth a 2nd rnd.
D line in the 3rd is a waste of a pick. Why pick a sorry D-linman, when you can get a very good C in the 3rd?
I am going to stop there, you are making me tired.
SIMPLETON!!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
15 years old 15 year fan Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Larry Johnson held to 22 yds on 12 carries in week 2, and 92 yds on 24 carries in the 2nd matchup with 1 long run of 15 yds. 3 yd avg per carry.
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries with a 14 yd run.
Bush and McAllister combined for less the 100yds on 27 carries.
W McGahee 58 yds on 23 carries.
4 of these games were losses, and it WAS NOT because we couldn’t stop the run.
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exactly it was cuz we couldnt score
WORD!!!!
MACK!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
hey raiderrockstar
March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Jhill,
In your Mock who do you have Cutler being traded to? Detroit because you have Denver getting the #20 pick? And you still have them selecting Stafford #1?
And it looks like you are still confident KC takes Crabtree, lol. Still time to make our bet!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Treyrockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
hey raiderrockstar
Hi Treyrockstar.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Oher is a tackle we will not draft him unless he somehow drops to round 2
March 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Can we have a three way?
March 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
222
You got it.
Why do they run?
Because we can’t score.
They can waste three downs and kick it, knowing we can’t score.
Let all get Crabs!!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Jhill your mock draft completely suks
March 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
They run so burgess won’t be able to sack the qb that’s why his sack total was low (not the injury)
March 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Just for fun, since I know it will not happen as long as Al is alive…and the Eagles would never do it but…
Raiders trade down with the Eagles, who select Crabtree at #7. Raiders select C Mack at 21, T Britton at 28, and NT Brace at 40.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I’ve had B.J. Raji going here for a number of updates, but in the wake of Michael Johnson’s Pro Day, I’m penciling in the athletic Georgia Tech defensive end into the No. 7 slot.
Look, it’s no secret that Al Davis loves 40 times. Johnson ran an unofficial 4.49 at his Pro Day. A giddy Davis probably had him at 3.39. Undead Al is obsessed with athleticism, and that’s one of the reasons I’ve changed this selection, despite Johnson’s work ethic.
The other reason? Al Davis’ draft history. I reviewed all the selections he has made in the past 30 years. In that span, Davis has taken a defensive tackle in the first round only twice – Darrell Russell in 1997, and he ran a 4.8 at 320 pounds. Meanwhile, he has chosen defensive ends four times in the opening round, the most recent being Tyler Brayton, who had the third-fastest 40 time among the players at his position in 2003. Terrell Suggs and Jerome McDougle were quicker, but were both off the board by the time Oakland picked at No. 31.
Going even further, Davis has taken just four defensive tackles in the top three rounds in the past 30 years! That’s nothing compared to the 13 defensive ends he selected in the top three rounds in that span.
With Michael Crabtree off the board and right tackle addressed (Khalif Barnes), this pick will probably come down to Raji and Johnson. And based on Davis’ draft history and Johnson’s 40, the Raiders may select their next “great player.”
Click here for a more detailed breakdown of Al Davis, Oakland Raiders NFL Draft History.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
The Jaguars will be in a tough position if B.J. Raji is off the board; they’ll either have to reach for a player or trade down, which will be difficult to do because no owner wants to shell out top-10 money to an unproven commodity in this economy.
But thanks to Al Davis’ foolish drafting methods, Raji is available. Jacksonville will be thrilled; the team really missed Marcus Stroud last season.
But thanks to Al Davis’ foolish drafting methods, Raji is available. Jacksonville will be thrilled; the team really missed Marcus Stroud last season.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
“Just for fun” raiders select malcom Jenkins cb Ohio state. Oh man the old man would probably do it
March 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
With the 7th pick in the 2009 NFL draft the OakTown Raidas slect……Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!!!!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Bj rajis going to be a bust
March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
But thanks to Al Davis’ foolish drafting methods, Raji is available. Jacksonville will be thrilled; the team really missed Marcus Stroud last season.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Treyrockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Bj rajis going to be a bust
..
Your comments are a bust..fido
March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Wells mcfadden bush fargas rankin!!! Wow!! With al Davis as the fb
March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Details, details Dakota …
Revised Updated Mock
Detroit – Jason Smith. Traded #20 pick for Cutler
St Louis – Eugene Monroe. Traded Pace, OT is a big hole on this team.
KC – Crabtree. Best player in the draft, everyone tells me. Crabtree would instantly be their best WR.
Seattle – Aaron Curry. Need to replace Peterson
Cleveland – Chris Wells. Local product fresh off his 4.3 forty yard dash.
Cincy – Andre Smith. Big need at OT an Cincy has never cared about off the field issues.
Oakland – Trades back to # 12 with Denver. No more hard feelings since Shanny is gone.
Raiders get #12 and #20, the pick Denver picked up in the Cutler trade.
Denver select Marc Sanchez.
Jacksonville – Maclin. The Jags have only Reggie Williams at WR with the recent release of Porter and JOnes.
Green Bay – BJ Raji. Need players as the switch to the 3-4 takes place.
SF – Maclin. Why not?
Buffalo – Knowshon Moreno. Backup plan for the gun toting Lynch.
Oakland – Michael Oher RT
Oakland @ 20th pick – Rey Mauluga MLB
Oakland 2nd rd pick – Fili Moala DT USC
Oakland 3rd – Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
Oakland 4th – Ramses Barden WR
March 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
The pick will be LB Clint Sintim, Virginia
March 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Maclin, Harvey, Raji, A. Smith, Orakpo; all busts.
Sign Crabtree
March 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Damn it …
SF @ 10 takes Everett Brown.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
First and foremost…Dakota, Jhill, M, and Coinman, are some of the smarter bloggers on this sight. Certainly more so than me and yet it is so stinking obvious even to me the correlation between the bad “O” line the Raider’s have had and the last six miserable years of losing. Yes, defense wins championships but a very good “O” line is the first step in winning the division for what should be the obvious reasons.
All the Crabtree’s and Maclins would be great if the “O” line was solid enough to allow a good veteran QB to take advantage of them. But the Raiders have a very young, raw QB in JR and the “O” line is not up to speed yet.
As it is, WRs usually take three years to realize their potential and the Raider’s young WR corps is actually pretty dam good if given a chance.
The point is the “O” line has to be addressed with the acquisition of very good talent, not just OK talent; the Raiders have been down the route. In this year’s draft the planets and stars have all aligned themselves in the sense that there are plenty of very good “O” linemen for the taking but only early on.
In beating the proverbial dead horse again….to me Henderson does not look that good in space and we can only hope that Barnes is worthy with the baggage he brings. Gallery is a good run blocker but just OK at pass blocking. There is a huge gaping hole at center, Carisle is getting long in the tooth and is just OK at run blocking and pass blocking despite the fact he gets planted by the larger, stronger DTs. Green is a good run blocker but a mediocre pass blocker. Maybe Pears will work but is still an unknown.
I have campaigned for Andre Smith because his feet are quick and he is agile enough at 325 lbs to be a very good RT in the ZBS. However, there is a greater need at center than tackle right now and after watching the tape on Mack at center, he is a must have. Strange, but for a guy that only presses 225lbs 20 times this guy absolutely dominates at his position. His relentless drive at the point of contact demonstrates a mean, nasty streak the likes of a Barret Robbins.
If I was Al, I would get them both through hook or crook. I would get Mack first and then use enough trades to move up and get Smith or vice versa. I would then go after the very best guard available or move Henderson to RG.
All the Raiders have to do is once and for all get the very best “O” line this year and then work on the “D” next year.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Treyrockstar Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Wells mcfadden bush fargas rankin!!! Wow!! With al Davis as the fb
No we will trade Mcfadden, and Fargas for CB’s
March 20th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Crabtree or Bust.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
#198 is a very interesting post
March 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Trade down its a good thing, but knowing Al, im pretty sure that hes going to ask in order to trade the pick; 1 first round this year, second down, first down in 2010, and maybe a 4 down this year, at least, so Nobody gonna give him that much, we are going to stay there and dream from crabtree in the 7
March 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
If we happen to add my good friend SS Mr. Roy Williams and say a vet LE like Philip Daniels, this how I would draft:
1)WR Percy Harvin-Florida
2)C Alex Mack-Cal
3)DE/DT Jarron Gilbert-San Jose State
4)DT Terrance Taylor-Michigan
5)we don’t have 5th round pick this year
March 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I forget, he also wants and a 3rd next year
March 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Mcfadden for union thug that guy can play ball…..err play with em
March 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
We are going defensive line with the 1st round pick and center with the second round pick. We are going to get either the 2nd or 3rd ranked center since Mack will be off the board.
3rd round wil either be Inside LB or WR….
Only 37 days to Draft Time…..
March 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
jhill
Larry Johnson held to 22 yds on 12 carries in week 2, and 92 yds on 24 carries in the 2nd matchup with 1 long run of 15 yds. 3 yd avg per carry.
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries with a 14 yd run.
Bush and McAllister combined for less the 100yds on 27 carries.
W McGahee 58 yds on 23 carries.
4 of these games were losses, and it WAS NOT because we couldn’t stop the run.
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exactly it was cuz we couldnt score thats y i want crabtree
March 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Percy Harvin with the 1st round pick…Dude put down the pipe…you are insane
March 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
y tha hel would we get harvin wat r u thinking
March 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Raji and Brace made College O-lines look bad with mis matches.
Sorry guys it will take years for either to reach servicable levels in the NFL.
Doresy and Ellis were way better, and were double teamed in college.
They were both non factors as rookies.
Different ball game in the NFL.
If you have time to wait on them then fine.
I am more intrigued by the kid at Ol’Miss but god don’t waste a 1st rounder on a baby DT.
You can develop a late rounder or a undrafted FA.
Last year was as deep as they get for DTs and the rookie DT award goes too……? anyone?
Nuff said.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Mack will be gone b4 the 20th pick…
March 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
thats why we will go DE
March 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Either the Raiders hit people in the mouth or try to get slick with a flashy receiver.
1. B.J Raji, DT – Time to stop the run & give LBs help
2. Max Unger, C – 12 yr starter for the offense
3. Jasper Brinkley, LB – Hitter with size & speed (MLB or SLB)
4. Mitch King, DE – Base DE that will stand up the run
6. Anthony Hill, TE – 2nd TE that blocks & catches
7. Johnny Knox, WR – 4.2 40 for Al
March 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Larry English Northern Illnois….1st shocker of the draft
March 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
NFL Path to the draft Charles Davis and Charlie Casserly have Maclin as the pick for the Raiders over Crabtree. They say Crabtree “may” be the better player now, but Maclin is faster, more explosive off the line, and better after the catch. Plus the unknown factor with the injury against Crabtree. They say Maclin a really good pro day coming off the injury at the combine.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
NFL Path to the draft Charles Davis and Charlie Casserly have Maclin as the pick for the Raiders over Crabtree. They say Crabtree “may” be the better player now, but Maclin is faster, more explosive off the line, and better after the catch. Plus the unknown factor with the injury against Crabtree. They say Maclin a really good pro day coming off the injury at the combine.
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Receiver would be a terrible pick. The fact is they don’t know. I don’t like the fact that both of these guys are redshirt sophomores in pass happy spread offenses.
Crabtree is worthy of a top 10 I guess. But I’ll be if the Raiders don’t take Maclin that he won’t be picked until late in the 1st. Around 18 to 20.
Al can pick a DT, DE, OT, C, or reluctantly Crabtree at #7 and I can accept it. Jeremy Maclin???? A speed guy, that lined up inside, with questionable route running. No way.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
273
Your right Warren 1st round, Joseph 1st round.
Kelly is better than both late round.
DT is a crap shoot that even NFL scouts can’t win at.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
In order to get Sands to be more prductive we need to find a way during games wrap a twinkie, Ho-Ho or Ding Dong around the football…
I bet that F’er would step his game up then….
March 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
You can time Sand with a Sun dial he needs to be cut
We need to sign a butt load of FA tackles after the draft
March 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Receiver would be a terrible pick. The fact is they don’t know. I don’t like the fact that both of these guys are redshirt sophomores in pass happy spread offenses.
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You admittedly haven’t seen any of these guys play, including Raji. I think I’ll take their word instead since they actaully break down the film. NFL Network has NFL people talking about this stuff, not want Disney characters like ESPN. Remember Casserly took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. The guy know what he is talking about, as do most of the folks on that show.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I like the new RAIDERS business model though
March 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Their reporting Ebenezer Ekuban is visiting, 32yr 6′4 275 not very exciting .
March 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Someone name me a worse DT rotation in the NFL.
Tommy Kelly*
Terdell Sands
Gerard Warren
William Joseph
I’ll give you the knee injury. Here the only highlight I could find on Kelly. Hopefully he lives up to expectations.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806f7149
March 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
We need to have Denver, NYJ, and SF in a bidding war for Sanchez at 7.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
EKUBAN VISITS RAIDERS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 20, 2009, 6:44 p.m.
Free agent defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban has visited the Oakland Raiders, according to a league source.
In 10 starts last season with the Denver Broncos, the 32-year-old veteran pass rusher recorded five sacks and 38 tackles.
For his career, the 6-foot-4, 275-pound former University of North Carolina standout has registered 36 1/2 sacks and 224 tackles.
Over the past three seasons in Denver, Ekuban has 16 sacks. He has previous stints with the Cleveland Browns and the Dallas Cowboys.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Someone name me a worse DT rotation in the NFL.
Tommy Kelly*
Terdell Sands
Gerard Warren
William Joseph
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Someone tell me which unit is worse?
Tommy Kelly Derrick Burgess
Gerard Warren Trevor Scott
Terdell Sands Jay Richardson
Will Joseph Greyson Gunhiem
March 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
MEAN LINEMEN!! on both sides of the ball is what we need. MEAN like Wiz & Tooz.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
That lined up wierd ..
DEs Burgess- Scott-Richardson-Gunhiem
DTs Kelly-Warren-Sands-Joseph
Which unit is worse S&B?
March 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RAIDER4Life Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
EKUBAN VISITS RAIDERS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 20, 2009, 6:44 p.m.
Free agent defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban has visited the Oakland Raiders, according to a league source.
In 10 starts last season with the Denver Broncos, the 32-year-old veteran pass rusher recorded five sacks and 38 tackles.
For his career, the 6-foot-4, 275-pound former University of North Carolina standout has registered 36 1/2 sacks and 224 tackles.
Over the past three seasons in Denver, Ekuban has 16 sacks. He has previous stints with the Cleveland Browns and the Dallas Cowboys.
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Great! Another washout from that vaunted Denver defense that had a stint with Cleveland!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
That lined up wierd ..
DEs Burgess- Scott-Richardson-Gunhiem
DTs Kelly-Warren-Sands-Joseph
Which unit is worse S&B
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The DTs. At least Scott put up some numbers in limited work and is considered to have a great upside.
Hey, I am ALL for getting a Base DE to replace Richardson/Gunheim. Those two are depth guys at best.
I would love for the Raiders to get a T. Jackson or Jarron Gilbert in the 1st or 2nd rounds!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
we need a reciever like crabtree to help us score do you remember when we went like 6 games without scoring a TD
March 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Headline on Yahoo.com
“Elway saddened by Cutler-Broncos Feud”
Everybody’s sad in Denver. I just feel terrible.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
909raiderlifer Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
MEAN LINEMEN!! on both sides of the ball is what we need. MEAN like Wiz & Tooz.
YES my son, it will be so.!!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
edward teach Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Headline on Yahoo.com
“Elway saddened by Cutler-Broncos Feud”
Everybody’s sad in Denver. I just feel terrible.
Hey 909raiderlifer is yor wife sad to?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
There is not a worse DL in the NFL. There also isnt a worse WR core in the NFL. It all comes down to who you like better Crabtree or Raji. I say its Crabtree, Raji was a 1 year wonder and he wasnt even that wonderful. He had Brace playing next to him and its hard to tell which guy is the better player on film. Raji just tested better, which to me dont mean a damn thang.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Sorry.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Larry Johnson held to 22 yds on 12 carries in week 2, and 92 yds on 24 carries in the 2nd matchup with 1 long run of 15 yds. 3 yd avg per carry.
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries with a 14 yd run.
Bush and McAllister combined for less the 100yds on 27 carries.
W McGahee 58 yds on 23 carries.
4 of these games were losses, and it WAS NOT because we couldn’t stop the run.
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exactly it was cuz we couldnt score thats y i want crabtree
March 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I haven’t heard much of people eating ground squirrel (actually, I think I’ve heard it’s not a good idea), but I wonder how many of you eat grey squirrel. Grey squirrels are what we call tree squirrels, right? The ones with the big, bushy tails? I’ve been wanting to bring some home to cook in my dutch oven becuase I’ve heard they are very good. Also, we have an annual camping trip a bunch of guys go on and this may be an option for dinner one night.
I am guessing you’d just gut it, skin it and cut it up like a rabbit. No? And how the heck to you avoid destroying all the meat? The ones I’ve shot get blown apart. Obviously I should hunt them with my 10-22 if I was gonna eat ‘em, I’m thinkin’.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Have eaten lots of grey and the larger fox squirrels are the best IMO. Just skin and quarter and then lightly fry or actually sautee in butter until brown. I then pull the meat away from the bones and add to your favorite soup or make your own soup. They also make good stew with your favorite vegetables. I do not care for either grey or fox when just fried up, but when added like above, they are pretty tasty.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Either the Raiders hit people in the mouth or try to get slick with a flashy receiver.
1. B.J Raji, DT – Time to stop the run & give LBs help
2. Max Unger, C – 12 yr starter for the offense
3. Jasper Brinkley, LB – Hitter with size & speed (MLB or SLB)
4. Mitch King, DE – Base DE that will stand up the run
6. Anthony Hill, TE – 2nd TE that blocks & catches
7. Johnny Knox, WR – 4.2 40 for Al
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If the Raiders pick up a SS in FA, this isn’t a bad draft. I kind of like Eric Wood instead of Max Unger. Raji made Unger look silly in the Senior Bowl.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I personally like beaver, but I would eat a little blond squirrel!!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
DO NOT EAT GODS CREATURES!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
JHill,
I could list the rushing yards for the Ravens, Dolphins, Chargers, Panthers, Falcons and others.
Regardless, how is it that our defense gave up 2nd most yards rushing in the league?
I am with you on the DE responsibility. But that’s not the entire story. Those DTs, like the play on that YouTube are hardly a force up the middle.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I could list the rushing yards for the Ravens, Dolphins, Chargers, Panthers, Falcons and others.
Regardless, how is it that our defense gave up 2nd most yards rushing in the league?
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I listed McGahee from the Ravens, and the stats for Stewart and Williams in the Carolina game, right? all of them were held in check except for the one play we reviewed collectively.
Miami ran the wildcat on us pretty well, and Brown and Williams are damn good backs. No shame there.
Ladanian ran for 106 yds on 20 carries, but 41 of those yds were with 1 minute to go. 19 carries for 22 yds is not an issue. He was held to 90 yds on 25 carries in game 2.
Falcon game was a debacle all the way around.
Again I say, and support by the #s that our run defense does not need a #7 pick. Like the play on You Tube, we just don’t need to give up 70 yd plays that should have been stopped in 7.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
JHill,
On that list of teams with a worse DT than the Raiders:
The only team I will agree with is the Denver Broncos. Yeah, they have a worse DT/NT situation than the Raiders.
Funny how we signed their DT castoff in a trade. Wonder why Denver would make a trade with their in division rival? Espeically when Davis was paranoid about releasing LaMont Jordan or Dominick Rhodes to make room for Bush back in 2007 because of a fear of them going to an in division rival.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
And my goodness, don’t you think at least ONE GUY would have been cut by now if the DTs were such a problem? At least ONE, right?
I mean, how hard is it to replace just ONE of this dreadful combo?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I could list the rushing yards for the Ravens, Dolphins, Chargers, Panthers, Falcons and others.
Regardless, how is it that our defense gave up 2nd most yards rushing in the league?
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I listed McGahee from the Ravens, and the stats for Stewart and Williams in the Carolina game, right? all of them were held in check except for the one play we reviewed collectively.
Miami ran the wildcat on us pretty well, and Brown and Williams are damn good backs. No shame there.
Ladanian ran for 106 yds on 20 carries, but 41 of those yds were with 1 minute to go. 19 carries for 22 yds is not an issue. He was held to 90 yds on 25 carries in game 2.
Falcon game was a debacle all the way around.
Again I say, and support by the #s that our run defense does not need a #7 pick. Like the play on You Tube, we just don’t need to give up 70 yd plays that should have been stopped in 7.
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Ravens Game:
Ray Rice: 8 carries 64 yards
McGahee: 23 carries 58 yards
McClain: 7 carries 32 yards
Total 38 carries 154 yards
That’s getting pounded into the ground
March 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Hey Honda Boy,
Go get Raji, Brace and Crabtree
March 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Ron Brace
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 329 | Position:DT | College: Boston College Player Profile
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3/14/2009 – Boston College Pro day: Twenty teams were there, including three defensive Line coaches and Jets assistant GM Scott Cohen. Ten players worked out from Boston College and 25 players worked out from Boston-area schools. DT Ron Brace (6-2 3/4, 331 pounds) ran 5.55 and 5.51 in the 40 and did positional workouts, but kept everything else from the combine. – Gil Brandt, NFL.com
Overview
Teammate BJ Raji received more attention than Brace, who is a stout run defender in his own right. A second-team All-ACC selection in 2008 after earning honorable mention in 2007 — when Raji was academically ineligible — Brace isn’t going to provide much in terms of statistical production. In fact, Brace’s combined statistics from his two all-conference seasons led to numbers that some of the other highly ranked defensive tackles enjoyed in just one season: 54 tackles, 18.5 tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks. Brace might lack name recognition and explosive burst, but his stout frame, lower-body strength and versatility could make him a mid-round value come draft day.
Analysis
Positives: Square-framed, naturally large man. … Surprising initial quickness off the snap to disrupt the play before it has a chance to begin. … Good lateral quickness to slide down the line. … Good use of hands to slap away the blockers’ attempts to control him. … Good overall strength, especially in his lower body, to hold up at the point. … Can anchor against the double-team and flashes the ability to split. … Able to close if given a free lane. … Recognizes the action quickly and can slide off the block onto the runner as he goes by. … Versatile defender capable of projecting as a zero-, one- or three-technique at the next level.
Negatives: Only “phone booth” quickness. … Requires a free lane to close on the quarterback and isn’t going to provide significant interior pass rush. … Marginal effort and ability in pursuit. … Flanked by a better prospect in Raji and often faces only one blocker. … Struggled with a recurring back injury in 2008. … Concern over back injury only heightened considering his heavy build and potential to allow his weight to get out of control.
2007 Season
Awarded All-ACC honorable mention … Ranked third on the team with 7.5 TFLs, recorded a career-high 2.5 sacks … Finished the season with 27 total tackles (14 solos) … Recorded two tackles in the Champs Sports Bowl against Michigan State, helping to keep BC’s bowl-game win streak alive with a 24-21 victory … At the ACC Championships against Virginia Tech, registered three tackles (one solo) and assisted on a tackle-for-loss … Recorded his seventh TFL this season, resulting in a loss of five yards in the defensive outing that held Miami to 281 yards, giving BC it’s 10th win of the regular season … Put together a season-high four total-tackle performance (three solo) and a TFL in game at Maryland … Combined for two assisted tackles and his fifth tackle-for-loss on the season in game against Florida State … Assisted on a tackle in defensive outing that kept Virginia Tech within range to stage a BC fourth-quarter come-from-behind win … Got to Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen for a sack that lost eight yards, giving him 2.5 sacks on the season, a career high … Assisted on a sack and combined for two total tackles, including a TFL for five yards in solid defensive performance against Bowling Green … Combined for two total tackles, including a TFL in win over Massachusetts … Compiled a total of two tackles, one solo, in performance against Army … Recorded first sack of career, causing a loss of seven yards in win over Georgia Tech … also had three solo tackles on the night … Made a solo tackle, a TFL for four yards, in win over NC State … Got the start and registered two tackles in the season opener vs. Wake Forest.
2006 Season
Played and started in 11 games at defensive tackle … had 20 tackles, including 11 unassisted stops … registered 3.5 tackles for loss … recorded one solo tackle against Central Michigan … had one solo stop in win over Clemson … registered three solo tackles against Maine … had one solo tackle in win over Virginia Tech … made three tackles (two solo) at Wake Forest … had one tackle including 0.5 tackle for loss against Duke … made one stop against Maryland … had four stops (three solo) including 1.0 tackle for loss at Miami … made a career-high five tackles (three solo), including 1.0 tackle for loss and recovered one fumble in Meineke Car Care Bowl versus Navy.
2005 Season
Finished the season with 11 tackles (six solos) and one tackle for loss … started the season on the two-deep at left tackle (behind Al Washington) … saw his first collegiate action in the season opener at BYU, where he recorded one assist … tallied one solo against Army … recorded one solo stop at Clemson … registered two assists against Wake Forest … had one assisted tackle at Virginia Tech … was credited with one solo tackle at North Carolina … recorded a season-best three tackles (two solos) and his first collegiate tackle for loss at Maryland … had one solo tackle against Boise State in the MPC Computers Bowl.
2004 Season
Redshirted.
High School
Earned All-State honors as a senior lineman at Worcester Burncoat High School … Gained 2003 Worcester Telegram & Gazette all-star honors … Was a three-time Inter-High all-star choice … Captured 2003 team MVP honors … Served as team captain for head coach Chris Moriarty … Played in the 2004 Massachusetts Shriners Football Classic … Also excelled as a member of Burncoat’s track and field team; won the state shot put title in 2003 and 2004.
Personal
Ronald Jeffery Brace III, born December 18, 1986 … Enrolled in the College of Arts & Sciences … Ron is the son of Varda Lewis and Ronald Brace Jr.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Funny how we signed their DT castoff in a trade. Wonder why Denver would make a trade with their in division rival? Espeically when Davis was paranoid about releasing LaMont Jordan or Dominick Rhodes to make room for Bush back in 2007 because of a fear of them going to an in division rival.
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You’ve had that question answered several times already.
The Denver Broncos expect to part ways soon with defensive tackle Gerard Warren, either by trading or releasing the seven-year veteran.
Warren didn’t make the trip to San Francisco on Monday night for the Broncos’ 17-13 preseason victory over the 49ers. After the game, coach Mike Shanahan indicated Warren probably is on his way out of Denver.
“I’m not going to get into detail, but we thought we had a trade, and I’ll talk about it a little more on Wednesday,” Shanahan said. “Until things are finalized, I kept him home because I thought we had a trade.”
Warren, the third overall pick in the 2001 draft by Cleveland, spent the last two seasons in Denver, making 49 tackles and 5½ sacks. He revitalized his career with the Broncos after struggling through four seasons with the Browns.
But Warren apparently doesn’t fit new defensive coach Jim Bates’ scheme, which requires tackles who can hold their positions instead of penetrating the backfield. Warren seemed open to the transition earlier in camp, speaking optimistically about the new defense.
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He sucked so bad the Broncos gave him a big fat 36 million dollar contract the year before? Cmon! He may not be a pro bowler, but Warren does not suck as a #2 DT. Give me some plays to watch on NFL.com where he’s a liability?
Those #s I gave you on our defense against the starting RBs are solid. Him, Kelly, and Sands did a good job on all those plays that they held them to 3 yds or less.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Hey Honda Boy,
Go get Raji, Brace and Crabtree
Done.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
We all agree that I’m still a beast though, right?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Ravens Game:
Ray Rice: 8 carries 64 yards
McGahee: 23 carries 58 yards
McClain: 7 carries 32 yards
Total 38 carries 154 yards
That’s getting pounded into the ground
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You need to review this and tell me again about the Ravens game ..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
March 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
jhill,your right the raiders 31st ranked 4.7 yards avg the raiders give up on defense is not a problem.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Christ, Honda Boy,
It’s football, not the decline and fall of the Roman empire.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
EKUBAN VISITS RAIDERS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 20, 2009, 6:44 p.m. EDT
Free agent defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban has visited the Oakland Raiders, according to a league source.
In 10 starts last season with the Denver Broncos, the 32-year-old veteran pass rusher recorded five sacks and 38 tackles.
For his career, the 6-foot-4, 275-pound former University of North Carolina standout has registered 36 1/2 sacks and 224 tackles.
Over the past three seasons in Denver, Ekuban has 16 sacks. He has previous stints with the Cleveland Browns and the Dallas Cowboys.
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Per Pro FootballTalk.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Crabtree should be the pick. If Al is dead set on picking a WR with the #7, and both are available(Maclin&Crabtree), then it would be a perfect display of out right insanity not to take Crabtree over Maclin.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
If the pick is a WR @ #7 I gotta go with Crabtree as well.
Let’s hope this is not the case.
Gotta build them lines.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
S&B,
You review that Ravens game yet?
Cmon now!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
March 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
S&B,
You review that Ravens game yet?
Cmon now!
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
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Nice post, I guess your point is the Raiders couldn’t move the ball. Leaving the Defense hanging?
But that was week 8, JaMarcus didn’t throw on first down till they got behind. Fargas in 1st, Fargas on 2nd, incomplete on 3rd. That was then. Late in the season different personnel, different results.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Treykokstar has special olympics star qualities..little thingy
March 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
KK,
You’re right, that was one of the obvious points in that week 8 game. But I was pointing out to S&B that we did not get pounded on the ground in the Ravens game like he says we did.
Except for the Atlanta game, I can’t find one example of us needing DT before RT, C, DE, and OLB.
I’m looking for examples from the DT haters so we can review the game.
Still waiting on S&B and Blackdeth …
March 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Just looking through more of those games, and especially the ones at the end of the year, and it just screams HELP for the offense.
3 pts in the first half against KC, AT HOME
0 pts from the offense the following week at SD
Down 21-0 in the 1st qtr at home to NE
0 1st qtr pts against Tampa
4 out of the last 5 games of the year, the offense was awful in the 1st half, with NO signs of a WR, or of an Oline that was opening holes for anyone.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Well the Raiders gave up 4.7 yds per rush in 08′
March 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
We need to be able to come out of the gate and score in the first qtr. The game completely changes for us not being able to score at all in the first qtr, and barely in the 2nd. Our offense is horrible.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
We need to be able to come out of the gate and score in the first qtr. The game completely changes for us not being able to score at all in the first qtr, and barely in the 2nd. Our offense is horrible.
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Let’s finish off the offense rebuild.
Get Jamarcus some protection.
If he has time to throw the freaking football, coupled with a strong run game, we will score points in every quarter.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
L Johnson racked up 198 yd rushing against us in week 4.
D Brees went 26-30, 320yds and 3TD in week 6
Atlanta ran for 252 yds against us………
NE ran for 277 yds against us in week 15….
But yeah, scoring early will definitely help.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Scoring early can change the dynamics of the game Kell.
You Know this.
Just sayin
March 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
L Johnson racked up 198 yd rushing against us in week 4.
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We played SD week 4. We played KC week 2 and held L Johnson to 22 yds on 12 carries.
Atlanta was an all around debacle.
We were down 21-0 in the first qtr on th back of Cassell. The game was already over.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Yeah, I agree that scoring early is important. But, they did give up 4.7 per. That suggests regardless of game circumstances, 4.7 per.
We could also have a situation where the Raiders score first, and then give one up the next.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Sorry, LT got 106 on us in week 4. 5.3 per carry
March 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
and 40 of that 106 was that insignificant 40 yd td run with 1 min to go in the game.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
But Oakland was up 15-0 at halftime.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Ebenezer Ekuban
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 58 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Ekuban, a 10-year veteran, had major back issues in 2001 and returned to health for five good seasons before landing on injured reserve in ‘07. He has good size, initial quickness and speed, and he plays with a good motor. He is a good technician who uses his hands well and reads blocks quickly. A bit undersized, he can be swallowed up by big offensive linemen and will struggle to hold his own at the point of attack. He relies on upfield speed and quickness to pressure the pocket more than an array of countermoves.
He lacks the punch to bull rush effectively. He is getting on in years, and injuries could have an impact on whether or not he makes his way on to an NFL roster.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
and 40 of that 106 was that insignificant 40 yd td run with 1 min to go in the game.
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I remember that run.
Pissed me off.
I’d been focused on our defenses ability to contain LT all game.
The run was meaningless insofar as the game was pretty much over.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
LT rushed for 2 TD’s in the 4th qtr for a comeback victory
March 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
LT rushed for 2 TD’s in the 4th qtr for a comeback victory and I cheered for him until my voice was horse.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
LT rushed for 2 TD’s in the 4th qtr for a comeback victory
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Evidence of our offense not rising to the challenge to match points.
3 and outs put your defense at a severe dis -advantage.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
LT rushed for 2 TD’s in the 4th qtr for a comeback victory
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Evidence of our offense not rising to the challenge to match points.
3 and outs put your defense at a severe dis -advantage.
Well! Duh!
March 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Well Duh! Hey MR.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Raji got suspended for throwing a punch at a player? That’s the guy I want on my team. Raji then do anything possible to get Mack @2
March 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
It wants my attention.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Sands punched Lechler in the face on a plane ride home.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Raji got suspended for throwing a punch at a player? That’s the guy I want on my team. Raji then do anything possible to get Mack @2
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Na,I don’t want the 15b yd un-sportsman-like conduct penalty that goes with that.
Dudes throw punches for 2 reasons.
#1 other Dude disrespected in some way.
a. cheap shot
b. talked about family
c. questioned manhood.
#2.Dude is getting His ASS kicked all over the field.
I’ll leave it to you to dissect the root cause.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I think our D was solid minus Hall in man to man. I know most will disagree as I’m not looking at stats but rather remembering what I saw. Yes we gave up lot’s of yards late in games but early in games our D held up but our O couldn’t stay on the field. However, Ravens O never stays on the field and they remain competetive so getting Cushing or Rey and Brace (after getting Preston in FA) could make us a Ravens D with more game breaking ability w/ JMiller/Higgins/DMAC/JRUSS. Crabtree is a solid pick (like DMAC was last year) but were a USC lb and a Boston College DT away from having a D that will keep us in every game
March 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I believe it was Jake Plummer who compared Jay Cutler to Jeff George.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
A good ball controll offense, with quick strike capability is the best freind a defense ever had.
You gotta score points to win.
Once you’ve got that trick in the bag, build a defense that wins a Championship.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
# JHill (Let the Young Guys Play) Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
The #7 pick should really be simple …
Line up the best players 1-15 in order of best player, regardless of position. At 7, look at the top guy left and ask yourself if you can use him. Just like DMac last year.
^^^^^^
EXACTLY!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
D didn’t do a single thing last season. We had Nnamdi ( shut down corner), and other teams ran so well the didn’t need to pass, and we still finished 10th against the pass. We need help on the D line. We need to slow the run, and be able to rush the QB, so our DBs can make plays. But 10th!!! And teams didn’t have to pass, and most of the time the didn’t.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
i agree the defense is not the problem.the offense needs too score more early in games.get a lead make teams pass against them.they are won wr away from being the colts.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Also 31st against the run. There were a few games that the D looked Good, but that was due to the other teams mistakes.
I agree that we need to help the O and JR, but to say the D did better than what the stats indicate is crazy.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Raider O,
Again, just review the game play by play, pick any game, and tell me where the run defense could have helped us win the game?
It’s right here for you ….
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
March 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
We also have a young QB and RBs, but we donthave an OLine. We also donthave great WRs, but you think the O can score first and Fast!!!! I don’t think so. I think if we can fix the D, then that would help JR, RBs, and young WRs develop.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Question(s).
Will T Kelly be better next year as a result of being fully recoverd from his knee injury?
Will Trev Scott be improved, or suffer a sophmore slump?
Will D Burgess remain with the team and have a contract year performance.
Will Turdell Sands perform better this year?
Will Warren show a more consistent performance of what was at times inspired play?
Who is Greyson Gunheim and can he rush the Quarterback?
Has Jay Richarson reached his ceiling of potential?
All of these questions need to be answered, if they have not been already, before I draft a DT or DE with the 1st pick.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
JHill,
Who heard of RB S Young before he played the Raiders?? If you don’t think the Run D could have helped win more games. Then simply you and me just disagree on the issue. I do respect your opinion a lot, but I see it completely different.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Len,
The same could be said about the offense.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
4.24 – Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina, 2008
4.27 – Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston, 2005
4.28 – Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton, 2005
4.29 – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State, 2008
4.29 – *Fabian Washington, (CB), Nebraska, 2005
4.30 – Darrent Williams, (CB), Oklahoma State, 2005
4.30 – Yamon Figurs, (WR), Kansas State, 2007
4.31 – *Justin King, (CB), Penn State, 2008
4.31 – Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut, 2008
4.31 – Michael Waddell, (CB), North Carolina, 2004
4.31 – Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State, 2002
4.31 – Santana Moss, (WR), Miami, 2001
4.31 – *Johnathan Joseph, (CB), South Carolina, 2006
4.32 – Tim Carter, (WR), Auburn, 2002
4.32 – *Orlando Scandrick, (CB), Boise State, 2008
4.32 – Chris McKenzie, (CB), Arizona State, 2005
4.32 – Kevin Garrett, (CB), Southern Methodist, 2003
4.32 – Jason Hill, (WR), Washington State, 2007
4.32 – *Chris Houston, (CB), Arkansas, 2007
4.32 – *Troy Williamson, (WR), South Carolina, 2005
4.32 – *Chad Jackson, (WR), Florida, 2006
4.32 – Tim Jennings, (CB), Georgia, 2006
4.33 – Carlos Francis, (WR), Texas Tech, 2004
4.33 – *Darren McFadden, (RB), Arkansas, 2008
4.33 – Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin, 2001
here is a list of the fastest 40 times at the combine since they started electronic timing.look at all those raiders current and former.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Defending the run is extremely important.
Al has never gotten that.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
If you are scoring points at a faster rate than your opponent, they might get a bit crazy stupid and start taking chances by throwing the ball all over the field in an attemt to keep up.
At that point they are eating out of your hand if you’ve got a D that can shut down man to man and rush the QB.
Offenses’ put pressure on the oppossing team.
If you can virtually score at will, other Teams will fear You.
AL likes that kinda party.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
4.24 – Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina, 2008
4.27 – Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston, 2005
4.28 – Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton, 2005
4.29 – Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State, 2008
4.29 – *Fabian Washington, (CB), Nebraska, 2005
4.30 – Darrent Williams, (CB), Oklahoma State, 2005
4.30 – Yamon Figurs, (WR), Kansas State, 2007
4.31 – *Justin King, (CB), Penn State, 2008
4.31 – Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut, 2008
4.31 – Michael Waddell, (CB), North Carolina, 2004
4.31 – Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State, 2002
4.31 – Santana Moss, (WR), Miami, 2001
4.31 – *Johnathan Joseph, (CB), South Carolina, 2006
4.32 – Tim Carter, (WR), Auburn, 2002
4.32 – *Orlando Scandrick, (CB), Boise State, 2008
4.32 – Chris McKenzie, (CB), Arizona State, 2005
4.32 – Kevin Garrett, (CB), Southern Methodist, 2003
4.32 – Jason Hill, (WR), Washington State, 2007
4.32 – *Chris Houston, (CB), Arkansas, 2007
4.32 – *Troy Williamson, (WR), South Carolina, 2005
4.32 – *Chad Jackson, (WR), Florida, 2006
4.32 – Tim Jennings, (CB), Georgia, 2006
4.33 – Carlos Francis, (WR), Texas Tech, 2004
4.33 – *Darren McFadden, (RB), Arkansas, 2008
4.33 – Chris Chambers, (WR), Wisconsin, 2001
pro days don`t count
March 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
How many are All-Stars?
March 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I see 5 raiders, and your point. lol
March 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Raider O,
I never said that the D was up to par. I just asked you to look at the play by play of most of these games and I think you will see the glaring need is offense.
Just go through a few play by plays and tell me what you see from that.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Raider O Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Len,
The same could be said about the offense.
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Raider O, It can.
My feeeling is we gotta protect the investment of Jamarcus,Bush McFadden etc.
Without a strong O line the toys can’t be played with.
Let’s give Marshall a season to work through the defensive personell.
My priority is on the offensive side of the ball THIS year.
Next year defense if needed.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Len,
I agree with post 348. The part I disagree on, is how far are we from that kind of offense? I think we are far. Also if we fix the D, then JR,the RBs, and the young WRs can develop into a great offense, with the help of some picks and FAs. Then we can become a great offense, the kind that you, Al, and all Raiders fans like. IMO
March 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
JHill,
I’m looking at it now. It’s great, thank you.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Good Night Fellas.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
raider o
no point just thought it was interesting.5 players out 25 when there is 32 teams.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
It will be Raji or Maclin.
OL J.Smith & Monroe will be gone, Andre Smith is out of the question we have enough to worry about with JaMarcus’ weight than to add a buffet eating champion.
Maclin would be a good pk, yeah he has speed but he also runs good routes, has good vision and can take it to the house. A cross between Reggie Wayne & Santana Moss type of WR.
But, the choice should be Raji. He will make the biggest impact on this team & thats what you want we U pk in the top 10. This guy put constant pressure in the backfield @ BC. The Raiders don’t blitz alot nor stop the run alot. If we wan’t to get the best out of our LB’s & Corners we need a talent like Raji. Stop letting teams run all over us & have all day to pass. Which in turn will give our O more opportunity to score.
1st Rnd B.J Raji
2nd Rnd Brian Robiskie
March 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Ok JHill,
You made your point with that ONE game. I’m not saying that the other games are the same or not. We have to look at all of them the same way as this one. By the way, you know how to make a point.
Now let me tell you what I see.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Fair enough Raider O,
I conceded the Atlanta game, but pick any other game for us to go over, and I’d bet you’d see a lot of the same things regarding the pathetic O.
Maybe some of it was play calling. But we have the same guy calling the plays this year.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
I saw a lot of incomplete passes by both QBs, also bad play calling ( a few runs on 3rd and long without field advantage, and the other team rushed, but had more success later in the game ( could be an indication the the D was tired). What do you think so far?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I’m sorry bro, but we’ll have to continue this later if you can (1/2 hour). Very interesting, but I want to spend a few mins with the kid before she goes to bed.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
348 – The scenario you put forward is more unlikely to be accomplished as opposed to building a defense that shuts down the run and gets off the field on 3rd down.
I don’t see us “scoring at will” anytime soon. We would need Fitzgerald, Boldin, Peyton Manning, etc. We’re nowhere near this.
It’s much easier to beef up the D-line, slow down the run, and force teams to throw against us at this point. In which case I like our chances.
Our expectations of the offense should be tempered. We all know that we will build the offense to run, run, run, and take a shot deep every once in a while. JR will not be on the field slinging the ball around for 40 attempts/game.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
367 – I can live with those stats as long as we have an improved defense that stops the run. You didn’t mention how many TD’s/Yards McFadden will have as a receiver.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
That was fast! JHill, are you still here?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
That’s only 1200 yrds rushing, so who else do you see running the ball?
March 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
JHill,
Also, you have to know why there was a lot of incomplete passes. Was it the WRs not getting open, bad Oline that can’t block so a lot of forced throws, or was it the QB? I hope not, and I don’t think it was JR. Maybe the first half of the season,but not the 2nd. It was due to the Oline, and young WRs that didn’t know how to react on broken plays. So what do think so far? lol
March 20th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
That’s pretty much what I see to, Raider O. And it doesn’t get much better the last 6 games of the season. Even in the Tampa game, we were inept in the first quarter.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Raider O,
WE held the Ravens in check until we gave up a PR that gave them the ball at our 17 yd line. MCGahee got stuffed, then Troy Smith ran the wildcat for 8 yds giving them a 3rd and 1. Gave up the 1st down to McGahee, and then the TD.
After Russell threw the TD, Flacco threw a 70 yd bomb for a TD.
14 points down to Baltimore at their place early in the 2nd qtr? Game was already over.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
After Russell threw the INT, that should’ve read.
March 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
JHill,
I agree that the offense needs help, but I think the D may need more help. But you make a good argument. If the offense gets better, then it can help the D stay off the field, and stay fresh. I just think our young QB and WRs will need a few seasons to teach that point, so we need the D to help now, and assist in their development.
DLF,
Thank you bro.
Good night Nation.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
First of all the entire team is not at the HQ and second Russell is just gone for a little over a week. OTA’s are a ways off and we have a mini camp in early April. We don’t know why Russell’s not there but to assume he’s lazy is ignorant at best.
AS long as the coaches are happy with his progress and have a schedule for him and he’s improving. That’s all that matters.
There is nothing wrong with some time off as long as he gets his work done.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Russell is going to be fine everyone is so worried about his weight or conditioning. Last year it was the same thing (300lbs) never was true.
At least we didn’t get that cry baby Cutler or Hollywood wanna be Lienart like all these prognosticators saying big AL screwed up for not taking them.
Ha ha who is laughing now for taking Russell
March 21st, 2009 at 12:04 am
I am!!
March 21st, 2009 at 12:17 am
uhhh…. yeah … our raiders should draft rey maualuga. jus wanna go on record sayin that. were so gonna whip ass this year . i hope j .russell is not a bum
March 21st, 2009 at 4:14 am
Raiders are interviewing Ebenezer Ekuban. I think we should pick him up…They’re calling him a replacement for Kalimba Edwards, situational pass rusher off the bench. BTW: 33yrs old 10 sacks last yr…
March 21st, 2009 at 4:44 am
Here’s what I don’t understand about people complaining about the overtime rules. Almost everyone’s first argument is that the team that wins the coin toss wins something like 52% of the time. Now that seems like a really stupid argument since it means that the team that loses the coin toss wins 48% of the time. That is close enough to 50/50 that it proves that the current system is fair. The bottom line is that the current rules mean that your entire team must be good, not just your offense (which is what each team getting a possession means). The bottom line though is that almost half the time, the team that loses the coin toss stops the opposing teams drive and then gets their own shot and if they can’t then they don’t DESERVE a shot. The overtime rules make perfect send and are perfectly fair as is and THAT is why the rules committee won’t even table suggestions to change it.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:07 am
Damn can’t wait for the season to start wana see some Raider football and see if we can keep it going screw the rest of the league!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 5:14 am
JD..
you missed the point…
by this its the coin who decides who gets to win, 50/50 has nothing to do with fairness, if that was the case of argument you might as well start the game with a coin-toss and not play at all, because its just as “Fair”…
the argument is, when you go to overtime, each team should get an offensive opportunity…
I hear your saying that its about having the best O and the best D and the best ST.
Team A’s D wants to show what they can against team B’s O, so to be fair to all players on both team, would be to have it like the college games, where both sides gets a chance, that way both O’s and D’s gets to prove what they can…
March 21st, 2009 at 5:22 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 5:23 am
mAN NOT ANOTHER DONKEY REJECT
March 21st, 2009 at 5:32 am
4eva…
I know he is a bit old, but i always liked Ebenezer =)
March 21st, 2009 at 5:34 am
is he a true DT???
March 21st, 2009 at 5:50 am
Ther were a few post’s last nite about Knowshon Moreno.Man that kid is gonna be something,imo.Looks like a real football player type 2 me.Kinda lilke a Walter Payton type,imo
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 am
Seattle has a good QB and no running game.Maybe the hawks grab Moreno and take O-line later
March 21st, 2009 at 5:55 am
5 sacks last yr. My bad.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:29 am
Ekuban=DE
March 21st, 2009 at 6:52 am
Sign Ekuban if he comes at the minimum salary and the usual rules like ya got to be a model citizen apply. The Raiders are definitely in need of competition and I would also like to see Tank Johnson on board for the right money as well as Mike Furrey.
The WR corp. is only as good as the time the QB has to pass, the experience of the QB in the system and the type of passing system implemented. Until the changes to the “O” line have time to jell and JR absorbs yet another change to the playbook it is stupid to spend big money on 1st round wide receivers. The existing WR corp. is much better than a lot a folks give it credit for the higher draft picks would be better spent on getting a center and some run stopping “D” linemen as well as a stud MLB like Brinkley.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:59 am
4eva..
yeah? he has always been a DE, he has been a DE for 9 seasons, him and Jarvis Moss are very much alike…
He is best at LDE but can easily play both..
He isnt a beast or anything but he sure is better than gunheim…
And he is a leader, something RRS pointed out last night that we need, which I agree upon..
but to be honest, a big reason to why i like him has nothing to do with his abilities, but his name, I think its very funky, I like it =)
March 21st, 2009 at 7:02 am
4eva…
btw, you should be ashamed of yourself, LOL, you could have helped 408@408 LOL
March 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
AWWW DUDE,I didnt even notice,as I just finished my morning buzz =)
March 21st, 2009 at 7:21 am
hehehe, well when he gets here, just wait =)
March 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Dammit, Leonard Weaver has signed with Philly, Robert Royal, Kevin Shaffer, Jason Brown all guys that would make our Offense better instantly, but fukk-up Al just dont want a good team…
March 21st, 2009 at 9:14 am
Question? What’s the word on my grandson, Jake Long? Did he prove to be a bust or did he have a solid year for a rookie? Can I expect to hear good things this year.
Many Raider fans wanted “baby Howie” to fall to us in the draft, but he was taken and we ended up with MacFadden.
Many people say, Davis was going to take MacFadden no matter what.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am
Hey Howie’s Daddy, your grandson’s name is Chris, not Jake…but Jake had a helluva a year with Miami, and Chris didn’t do jack shyt in St. Louis.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:37 am
hey Howies Daddy;
Who’s Yo Daddy???
March 21st, 2009 at 9:40 am
4evaRaider Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 9:37 am
hey Howies Daddy;
Who’s Yo Daddy???
Luke Long Dik Licker
March 21st, 2009 at 9:42 am
Howie Long’s Daddy Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 9:14 am
Question? What’s the word on my grandson, Jake Long? Did he prove to be a bust or did he have a solid year for a rookie? Can I expect to hear good things this year.
Many Raider fans wanted “baby Howie” to fall to us in the draft, but he was taken and we ended up with MacFadden.
Many people say, Davis was going to take MacFadden no matter what.
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Davis was going to take McFadden no matter what because to his way of thinking, to fix the D,you fix the O.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:45 am
How about…
Cleveland’s DT Shaun Rogers and Brady Quinn for Jay Cutler.
I wonder if this type of deal could happen.
Rogers already wants out of Cleveland. Seems kind of like a problem child, but Denver would automatically up grade its deplorable D line and get an “NFL ready” QB of the future.
Never know…
March 21st, 2009 at 9:47 am
trade our first for philly 21 and 28 let them draft crabtree. hes a stud but we are more than one plyer away. draft Nicks out of n.c. and mack in first. trade next years number one and get rey out of usc. we cant afford to pay another top ten pick. draft brace in secound. hows that sound. or instead of nicks grab oher if he is there.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:49 am
Raiders trade #7 pick for Eagles for picks #21 and #28
with the 21st pick of the draft Oakland selects Rey Mualuaga from University of Southern Cal
with the 28th pick of the draft Oakland selects Alex Mack from Cal
with their second round pick Oakland selects Ron Brace from Boston College
March 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am
we thinking alike here
March 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
Alheimers keeps creeping in…thanks for reminding me that my grandson is named Chris…lol.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am
MACLIN RUNS A 4.43 AT MIZZOU PRO DAY
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 21, 2009, 12:57 p.m.
University of Missouri wide receiver and first-round draft prospect Jeremy Maclin displayed that he’s fully recovered from the knee injury he suffered at the NFL scouting combine, running a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.
According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Maclin had a 35-inch vertical leap in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and New York Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard as 22 teams watched the campus workout.
A former St. Louis Rams receivers coach, Ellard has compared Maclin to a young Torry Holt.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
With the 7th pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Jeremy Maclin WR Univ of Missouri.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:14 am
Our D kept us games early once Hall was replaced but wore down as O couldn’t stay on the field. Howard and Morrison with Rey/Cushing or Lauranitis flying around while Brace is taking on two blockers every down alongside Kelly gives us a top d. Ad Macks nastiness/leadership to the OL next to Gallery and Barnes and watch the holes open up for DMAC while Bush wears down opposing LB’s/safeties. We pull this off and were a healthy Walker or Sheilds away from the playoffs
March 21st, 2009 at 10:15 am
Good morning Nation.
Why sign a 33 DE (34 this season), that had only 5 sacks. I think this is like last year when we bring in a few vets to see if they can contribute. I don’t think he will be signed, or I hope not.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
Nnamdi21,
re post 424 – the Donks love to load up on ex-Brown d-linemen each year and then get rid of them as soon as they are able to. lol. So, you may just be onto something.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Most mocks have the Rams taking an OT, but I think they may also be looking at WR. I think it’s OT or Crab. I have a feeling after they cut Holt that they will go WR in the 2nd, and take Crab.
If they go OT in the 1st,they Will take a WR in the 2nd.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
AD is having his Depends changed after seeing MacLin’s
40 times. LOL
March 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am
Raider O,
agreed. Alameda has thus far this off-season refrained from picking up every cast-off coming down the pike. Don’t always need to take care of every stray you meet on the street.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
Top of the mornin’ folks.
I actually think we need a vet and a rookie at DE. We can’t rely on Richardson, Burgess, or Gunhiem. I say we bring in some good competition for these guys and then let it shake out.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
I was thinking the same thing about the Rams and WR, RaiderO …
They have absolutely no one at that position. There are teams ahead of us with worse situations at WR, and if Crabtree is all that, then I can’t see him falling to us.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:31 am
ExLA,
I don’t understand people’s fascination with Maclin. JLH is basically the same skill set so he would be redundant.
Crabs will be gone, I believe, and the Raiders have more pressing needs than WR at #7. O-line.
Yes, AD is of the “you can’t teach speed” school but to follow that logic why did he not take Chris Johnson at #4 last year instead of McDaddy?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
I was thinking the same thing about the Rams and WR, RaiderO …
They have absolutely no one at that position. There are teams ahead of us with worse situations at WR, and if Crabtree is all that, then I can’t see him falling to us.
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If that happens, we have a chance to get a LT.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
I never should have taken this job of GM for the Raiders, it’s causing excessive drinking and sleepless nights, not to mention the E.D.
But here is where I am. The LT is Barnes, the C is Mack and the RT is Marten. In order to get Mack I’m trading down into the high teens, I would like to get a second round pick but will have to settle for a third.
The other offensive need is a dangerous receiver, unfortunately I can’t fix that this year. I’m going to rely on McFadden to be the threat out of the backfield or split outside.
The defense is the real problem and filling all the holes will be difficult.
The second pick will be Moore, the SS out of Missouri.
3A will be Scott, the DT out of Clemson.
3B will be Brinkley.
Well, I need to get plastered before I solve the holes at DE and FS.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
Chris Johnson was mistakenly viewed as a secondary back, and McFadden was the stud.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
Maclin is alot like JLH but a superior version with his added size. Not sold on him at seven. Need to build lines, we are going to be a run first team anyway.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
Good morning JHill,
Bro, I forgot to say, it was the Ravens D the O was playing. How do we forget a thing like that?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am
Not sue you have to trade into high teens to get Mack. Alot of good centers coming out might meen teams will pass on one early. Could probably get him by trading with pats for their first pick in second round.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:39 am
420!! Morning session!!
March 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am
Macklin is also fearless and blocks downfield.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Our LT is going to be the winner of the Henderson/Barnes battle. If we don’t trade down, I can’t see any other pick than WR. Maclin and Crabtree are both better the guys we have now. That’s not to say that those guys aren’t any good.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:43 am
Dmac will be fine.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am
It all depends on who’s available. If the top 2 OTs are gone, and so was Crab. I say draft Raji, OT Smith, or Orakpo. I can’t think of another player I would want in the 7th.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am
Hells Bells,
We could probably get by with a different center. But I want Mack. He has passion and intelligence, two of my top criteria.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:46 am
Chris Johnson was mistakenly viewed as a secondary back, and McFadden was the stud.
PFT report that Barwin, the DE out of Univ of Cinn. ran a 4.47 at Pro Day.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
There is always the option to trade down, but Mr. Davis will never do that.
Maclin reminds me of Tim Brown, but without the 4.2 speed Tim had.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
I hope Henderson keeps the job at left side only because I think he would not be so good on the right side. Barnes has greater size and seems to be the better run blocker as of now. Maybe hENDERSON HAS BULKED up during the off season.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:49 am
Pick any game you want to other than Baltimore. Atlanta was a complete debacle, but pick any other game.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
2 I want Mack also but I am saying the run on centers might not begin to later due to the depth at the position coming out this year. Could get Mack with first pick in second and would have a less asking price to trade up in second.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
ExLA,
a DE running that fast? Holy crap. Is he scrawny? Must be something in all the hormones fed to farm animals these days.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
Problem with Henderson winning the job is he needs help on the left side. Might be a better fit on the right. Limits what we can do if you have to keep the FB or RB in to help him.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
I’m trying to remember a good one.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am
Trading down, biting the bullet and waiting, hoping for someone else not to take who you want is worse than the crapshoot itself, ’cause in those scenarios you don’t even get to really play, you’re just a by-stander.
Just to save some television revenue monopoly money.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am
Remembet that was his first starts. Maybe with another year under his belt he will not as much help. A left side of Gallery and Barnes could be a powerful force in the running game. Just dont want Henderson to wash out as we traded up to get him.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
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CINCINNATI’S BARWIN IN DEMAND
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 21, 2009, 12:30 p.m. EDT
University of Cincinnati defensive end Connor Barwin put on a show at his Pro Day workout, running a 4.47 in the 40-yard dash, according to Ed Thompson of Scout.com.
A converted tight end, Barwin posted a 4.66 time at the NFL scouting combine.
The versatile 6-foot-4, 256-pounder made a dramatic improvement on his home turf in front of New York Jets coach Rex Ryan and Cincinnati Bengals coach Marvin Lewis as well as New York Giants tight ends coach Mike Pope and Jacksonville Jaguars assistant head coach/tight ends coach Mike Tice.
Barwin is also being evaluated as a tight end prospect by several teams. During his workout, he performed positional drills at defensive end, linebacker and tight end.
Barwin has had private workouts for the New England Patriots, Seattle Seahawks, Miami Dolphins and the Denver Broncos. He’ll work out for the Bengals on April 14.
Barnes has taken an official visit to the Buffalo Bills and plans to meet with the Tennessee Titans, Jaguars and St. Louis Rams. He’s also expected to schedule visits with the Atlanta Falcons and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Barwin recorded 11 sacks and 14 1/2 tackles for losses last season.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
M,
I agree, but you also get an extra pick.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
The 1st game of the season is not a good example. Bills was a good one. The 1st SD game or Miami. I like the Bills game more.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:03 am
438 sounds alot like Scott. What postion are you most intersted in him playing for us?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am
How much help was Henderson getting in the last three games? Al seems high on the kid. From what I have read he was playing good enough to free up Miller from having to help in protection.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
HELLS BELLS,
Not sure where he would fit in but he has great talent.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:12 am
Exla maybe we could move Burgess if we could get a low one or high two for him(doubtful) This kid sounds like he can get after the passer. I say sigh Tank now his asking price has to be down
Cut Sands. the guy is a bum. Tank is good in 4-3 not in a 3-4.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:13 am
JHill,
The Bucs Game too. So the Bucs , 1st SD game, Bills, and Miami.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:13 am
Cable said that Henderson was getting help during the last 3 games. To keep the job, he’ll have to do better without help. Named him the starter though.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am
Twocents,
Trading down.
yes, you get an extra pick unless as things unfold you get antsy or paranoid that someone else is closing in on the player you covet, then you toss that or another pick back to some other team to move up. So, in the end all you did was to save a few bucks.
Or if you can’t move to where you want to get who you want you end up with someone you don’t really want and the extra pick.
Now if the player you most want is gone by #7 then by all means move away from the slot if you can. But if the kid is there and you want him just take him (eff the Kipers of the world) and save the headaches.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am
Turdell needs to be flushed off this roster. Look up mediocre in the dictionary and it has his picture after i.e. LOL
March 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
I saw his picture next 2 a sloth 2
March 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
If that is hte case I say draft OT at seven and let Barnes and Henderson battle it out for the right side. Green is a bum. This is a rare draft for quality LT prospects and centers. Maybe trade next years number on and draft Hicks, Rey, or Cushings. Can not keep paying all these top ten picks.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
One problem with Cable is he tends to stick with a player too long like with false start Kwame. He needs to put the pressure on to perform or your benched.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:21 am
4evaRaider Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
I saw his picture next 2 a sloth 2
lmfao!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am
Agreed, loyalty can be blinding.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:23 am
JHill says,
You need to review this and tell me again about the Ravens game ..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
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1. 17 rushes of 4 or more yards each for a total of 118 yards. Does not include a 19 yard lateral to Ron Rice.
When playing a run heavy team, they ran 43x, when close to half of the carries are 4 or more yards, your done. And the Raiders KNEW that Baltimore was going to run the ball! Or at least I hope. Get ready for more of this next year. Especially with C.Johnson replacing deAngelo Hall.
This particular drive really needed the front 7 to step up and really lost the game. Also, Gibril tops it off with blown coverage for 70 yds. Notice how this drive started at the Ravens 2 yard line after the Russell interception:
Baltimore – 11:35
1st-10, BAL3 11:35 BAL committed 1 yard penalty
1st-11, BAL2 11:35 BAL committed 1 yard penalty
1st-12, BAL1 11:35 L. McClain rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
2nd-8, BAL5 10:59 W. McGahee rushed to the left for 7 yard gain
3rd-1, BAL12 10:25 W. McGahee rushed to the right for 3 yard gain
1st-10, BAL15 9:52 J. Flacco passed to L. McClain to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, BAL16 9:05 J. Flacco incomplete pass to the right
3rd-9, BAL16 9:02 R. Rice rushed to the left for 9 yard gain
1st-10, BAL25 8:20 R. Rice rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, BAL30 7:44 J. Flacco incomplete pass to the right
3rd-5, BAL30 7:26 J. Flacco passed to D. Williams to the left for 70 yard touchdown. M. Stover made PAT
The run defense in particular bailed out Baltimore by giving up runs inside the goal line up the middle AND a big 9 yard run on first down.
Of course the pass defense throughout this game was disgusting. In particular these 3RD & LONG plays:
3rd-5, BAL30 7:26 J. Flacco passed to D. Williams to the left for 70 yard touchdown.
3rd-12, BAL18 3:32 J. Flacco passed to R. Rice down the middle for 14 yard gain
3rd-20, BAL28 6:48 J. Flacco passed to R. Rice to the left for 21 yard gain
Now, the offense didn’t do its job in this game either. Cable’s playcalling was very bad in this game and the Raiders really were outmatched by the Ravens defense.
When the defense gets pounded on the ground, gives up several 3rd and Long passes and gives up 29 points, with the Ray Lewis and company on the other side waiting for our young offense, not going to win!
March 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
454. I could see Raji at seven but not Jackson. Jackson is a 3-4 end. We need alot of help.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
M,
Yeah, Bill Walsh use to say that it didn’t matter where you drafted them, only how they played.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am
Ok Raider O ..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20080921002&page=plays
We held Buffalo to 7 points through 3 qtrs. I don’t see a defensive pick at 7 that helps us win this game. Unless it’s a LB that can tackle Marshawn Lynch on that last play of the 3rd qtr on Buffalo’s own 9. Morrison makes that tackle on 3rd and 5, and the game is over.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am
Up to the 6:09 mark in the game, 6 of 9 plays were rushes by Fargus with the max gain of 4 yards and 2 sacks. Ugly offensive play calling. Running Fargus into the heart of their defense. Stupidity.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am
Be rest assured that the Giants, Ravens, Jets (Rex Ryan), Redskins, Cowboys, Steelers, Bengals, Browns and Chiefs will all be reviewing that run defense performance against the Ravens and plan accordingly. Especially those teams with multiple running backs.
Pound the rock against the Raider defense and you will win the game
March 21st, 2009 at 11:34 am
Somebody clarify my thinking on this: Was there or is there being made any effort to have Sands restructure his contract? And if so, what happened?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:34 am
The more I read on Brace the more I want us to sign Tank Johnson. “Conditioning is a problem tends to get winded quickly.” Sounds like a young turd. Save the pick to trade up and grab Mack at top of hte secoond round. Trade with Pats.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
Trade next years number one for Rey out of USC. Move Morrison over kills two birds with one stone.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am
HELLS BELLS Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
454. I could see Raji at seven but not Jackson. Jackson is a 3-4 end. We need alot of help.
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Jackson would be a slight reach, tops out at 9 to Green Bay and probably to Denver at 12. But he would be a great base defensive end that can stand up to the run. A base DE that can bull rush is what’s needed. Already have a couple of pass rush DEs in Burgess and Scott.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
man ‘Nova’s killing UCLA
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
S & B,
that the Raiders now have the Marshall plan on D instead of Robbo you are guessing that no results or schemes will be at variance from last season?
Hmmm, then why bother having a coaching staff or even playing the games at all?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
It funny how we can be looking at the same thing and see something totally different.
Again S&B, the point being that DT at 7 doesn’t help the run game, look at what you posted.
The defense had Baltimore stopped at their own 16 in a 3rd and 9. The 9 yard play to rice was on the 3rd and 9. You’re going to tell me that it was the DTs responsibility to stop that play? It goes to the point I keep telling you that 3rd down defense is more of an issue for us that our DTs. No way our LBs and Ss should allow a 9 yd run on 3rd down. Just shouldn’t happen.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
our 1st rd pick lol
However, fifth-year senior cornerback Terrail Lambert may have just boosted his stock with a pair of blazing times in the 40-yard dash.
According to Eric Hansen of the South Bend Tribune, Lambert turned in sprint time of 4.36 and 4.37 seconds at his Pro Day after not being invited to the NFL scouting combine.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Green Bay and Denver are both switching to a 3-4. You can pick up a one dimesional DE later in the Draft. Would rather have Mitch King. later on. Agree our run defense is our biggest weakness.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am
Ok Raider O ..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20080921002&page=plays
We held Buffalo to 7 points through 3 qtrs. I don’t see a defensive pick at 7 that helps us win this game. Unless it’s a LB that can tackle Marshawn Lynch on that last play of the 3rd qtr on Buffalo’s own 9. Morrison makes that tackle on 3rd and 5, and the game is over.
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Rob Ryan and Lane Kiffin are out of here. That’s why the Raiders lost this game. Playcalling lost this game pure and simple. Kiffin run right, run left, throw long, punt. And that famous Rob Ryan 4th QTR prevent defense!
March 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
I’m willing 2 give Trevor Scott more time but the rest of our D-Line STINKS period,imo
March 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
HELLS BELLS Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Green Bay and Denver are both switching to a 3-4. You can pick up a one dimesional DE later in the Draft. Would rather have Mitch King. later on. Agree our run defense is our biggest weakness.
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I like Mitch King at DE too. Hoping the Raiders can get him in round 4.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
And S&B,
You ignore the fact that our defense held them to nothing until a PR to our 17 in the 2nd qtr. And what happened on our very next drive? Int by the offense.
Then your scenario comes into play.
Again, we stop them on the 16 and put them into 3rd and 9. 3rd down defense fails us. Have them in another 3rd and 5 scenario, and then we give up a 70 yd bomb for a TD. Hardly see how you can point to the DTs in any of that.
3rd down defense and lack of offense stick out to me.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
What about moving R. Willams to outside linebacker?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am
Maybe Marshall will blitz more. Make the quaterback go to the check down or make a mistake on passing downs.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am
Pound the rock against the Raider defense and you will win the game
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Because they know that we have no offense to speak of, and no 3rd down defense. Pound the ball to get in 3rd and 6 or less because they can’t stop it. And they know that they will break one play, so yeah why risk passing the ball? All they have to do is go up by 1 TD and the game is over.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
M Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
S & B,
that the Raiders now have the Marshall plan on D instead of Robbo you are guessing that no results or schemes will be at variance from last season?
Hmmm, then why bother having a coaching staff or even playing the games at all?
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Look I am giving Marshall all the benefit. Not hating on him at all. But also lets temper our expecatations of this guy. He’s not a Rex Ryan, Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson class Defensive Coorinator. Hopefully he can regenerate some of his results from a few years back. But let’s not forget that he was available and this was a lateral move for him.
Also, while the scheme should get better playcalling on game day (i.e no 4th QTR prevent defense) the fundamentals of that scheme are not going to change too much given Al Davis’ input.
The talent has to be upgraded for this scheme to work. We saw marked improvement when deAngelo Hall was sent packing, I am expecting similiar improvement on the front 7 with a new NT, Base DE and hopefully SLB (whether R. Brown full-time or a draft pick)
March 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
Was there or is there being made any effort to have Sands restructure his contract? And if so, what happened?
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Why? He’s the backup DT. I don’t think there is any team that follows it BACKUP DT more than some of you follow Sands.
LMFAO!
March 21st, 2009 at 11:56 am
4evaRaider Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
man ‘Nova’s killing UCLA
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Big East basketball is too physical for those Pac 10 teams this year
March 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
Rob Ryan and Lane Kiffin are out of here. That’s why the Raiders lost this game. Playcalling lost this game pure and simple. Kiffin run right, run left, throw long, punt. And that famous Rob Ryan 4th QTR prevent defense!
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So you admit that this wasn’t a game that our run defense lost for us? Can we cross this game off the list?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Idiots.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The commentators also alluded 2 the fact that west-coast lose when they come east.They look flat-footed and they are.that time change is a bitch.Also in the nfi,weswt-coast teams were 1-9 last year
March 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
S&B,
I appreciate the well thought out and reasoned response. I simply look forward to seeing what the players can bring on both sides of the ball with a man as HC and the revamping of the staff.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
but yeah ‘Nova is clearly the better team
March 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
It funny how we can be looking at the same thing and see something totally different.
Again S&B, the point being that DT at 7 doesn’t help the run game, look at what you posted.
The defense had Baltimore stopped at their own 16 in a 3rd and 9. The 9 yard play to rice was on the 3rd and 9. You’re going to tell me that it was the DTs responsibility to stop that play? It goes to the point I keep telling you that 3rd down defense is more of an issue for us that our DTs. No way our LBs and Ss should allow a 9 yd run on 3rd down. Just shouldn’t happen.
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You are right we are seeing two different things.
A DT does help in the run game. My first point was that the Raiders gave up 17 carries of 4 or more yards each. In a 4-3 defense the D-Line needs to be stout at the point of attack. DTs and DEs. They got run right out of the house. A good DT can help. What happens if we cut those number of carries in half?
As for that long-drive after the Russell pick:
1. The Ravens were backed up in their own end zone. A good DT group should have penetrated, stood up, clogged running lanes to force a safety or short gain. They ran right up the gut, after two penalties for healthy yardage.
2. The D-Line is not absolved of responsibility to stop the run. To run 9 yards means he got a clean run through the line, although the LBs should have been quicker to respond.
We need a DT and a Base DE. At number 7, there might just be a very good DT. We need to take him.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am
Pound the rock against the Raider defense and you will win the game
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Because they know that we have no offense to speak of, and no 3rd down defense. Pound the ball to get in 3rd and 6 or less because they can’t stop it. And they know that they will break one play, so yeah why risk passing the ball? All they have to do is go up by 1 TD and the game is over.
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Perhaps, but the only team I’ve seen win with a bad defense is the Indy Colts. And even then, they needed a Hall of Fame Caliber QB, a HOF WR, a pro-bowl #2 receiver, a great TE, a great O-Line, a Dome, the NUMBER 1 PASS DEFENSE, AND about 8 years with the same offensive coordinator.
And for all their efforts, they were a 4th Qtr Patriot meltdown and dropped pass from not getting their Super Bowl.
It will probably take the Raiders more than 8 years to get that type of offense and they don’t play in a Dome, with their division opponents from sunny locations.
I say that teams pound the rock because they can. And with the Giants, Ravens, Jets, Steelers, Redskins, Cowboys, Chiefs coming to town, expect more pounding of the rock in the Raiders near future.
Also, JHill, the offense you saw at the beginning of the year wasn’t the same offense we saw at the end of the year.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
and if Morris cant or wont step-up we got no Center.Wade is a band-aid.Sooo…No Center,DE or DT,or MLB.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Dammit, Leonard Weaver has signed with Philly, Robert Royal, Kevin Shaffer, Jason Brown all guys that would make our Offense better instantly, but fukk-up Al just dont want a good team…
What is this guy’s problem?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
Rob Ryan and Lane Kiffin are out of here. That’s why the Raiders lost this game. Playcalling lost this game pure and simple. Kiffin run right, run left, throw long, punt. And that famous Rob Ryan 4th QTR prevent defense!
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So you admit that this wasn’t a game that our run defense lost for us? Can we cross this game off the list?
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Yes, absolutely. Coaches AND the Owner lost this game. Take the Broncos loss of the list too. But this also wasn’t a game the offense lost either. When the team gives up 24 points on the road, its going to be hard to win. Regardless of the state of the offense.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
A DT does help in the run game. My first point was that the Raiders gave up 17 carries of 4 or more yards each. In a 4-3 defense the D-Line needs to be stout at the point of attack. DTs and DEs. They got run right out of the house. A good DT can help. What happens if we cut those number of carries in half?
As for that long-drive after the Russell pick:
1. The Ravens were backed up in their own end zone. A good DT group should have penetrated, stood up, clogged running lanes to force a safety or short gain. They ran right up the gut, after two penalties for healthy yardage.
2. The D-Line is not absolved of responsibility to stop the run. To run 9 yards means he got a clean run through the line, although the LBs should have been quicker to respond.
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Ok S&B, I see you are locked in ragardless of fact or eveidence.
I said at DT at 7 wouldn’t help any thing here. I didn’t say DTs don’t help in the run game. Cmon!
This is NFL and the other team is getting paid as well. So what we gave up a 1st down after having them backed up? We had them in 3rd and 9 at their own 16. We have to be able to get off the field their. And as you half heartedly say, the LBs should have made the play. You have to imagine that the nickel defense was in the game. No excuse for Rice to get off a 9 yd run. Squarely on the LBs and S.
And the 17 carries of 4 or more yds? What kind of stat is that? 3rd and 9? 9 yd run to scat back. Come right back with successful 1st and 2nd down defense, and give up a 70 yd td pass on 3rd and 5.
If our DTs keep getting us to 3rd and 5 or more, what else do they need to do?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
NOTRE DAME CORNERBACK RUNS A 4.36
March 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Let’s give John Marshall, Dwaine Board and Mike Haluchak a shot here.
They may not be the hottest names around but the difference between those guys and Rob Ryan, Keith Millard and Don Martindale is that they have plenty of experience at their job, they have seen it all and my guess is that they will be better prepared and have a better idea as to what they want to do.
Ryan, Millard and Martindale were coaching “rookies”, Ryan had never been an NFL coordinator before, Martindale had never been an NFL LB’s coach before and Millard had never been an NFL DL coach before, why Davis stuck with them for so long is beyond me but he finally gave up on them, a couple of years too late, but still, they are finally gone.
John Marshall was stuck in a bad situation last year as a lame duck coodinator with the shadow of Jim Mora, a defensive coach waiting to take over, players were probably tuning him out and listening more to the next boss and head coach in waiting.
And not only that, Seattle’s GM Tim Ruskell is a Tampa guy, he prefers those kind of players, smaller and faster which is also what Mora likes, so Seattle was preparing for a transition to that style of defense which is not the kind Marshall (or Holmgreen) liked.
Here’s something about that from a Seattle article last season:
“Small defense dooms Seahawks.
At least it does to Mike Holmgren.
“Absolutely, the biggest thing that jumps out at me is that … there’s a little bit of a size differential,” Holmgren said this week.
“A good big guy will beat a good little guy,” is how Holmgren put it.
And Seattle seems so small right now.
The problem is, Seattle’s defense, built upon team president Tim Ruskell’s premise that speed trumps size, didn’t get any bigger in the last week.
“So you make up for that with excellent quickness, excellent assignments, being exactly right on. But you can’t really make too many mistakes,” Holmgren said, outlining another problem on Seattle’s defense this season.
When the Seahawks went to their only Super Bowl at the end of the 2005 season, they were spot-on with assignments and led the league with 50 sacks. They didn’t have to blitz so much because their front pressured well enough in base defenses, allowing for reinforced coverage in the secondary.
Does this defense need to get bigger next season to get better?.
“That’s a good question. I think the bigger you can be, the better. But when it starts to take away from your ability to make plays at this level, then it’s too big,” Marshall said. “I know there’s a lot being made (of it) and yeah, we’re not what you would call a big defense. But it does make a difference.”
At least we know Al won’t go for those Tampa 2 type of players, that don’t really fit Marshall’s style, as Lombardi says all the time….
“The Giants, Raiders, Dolphins, Jaguars, Cowboys and Packers are size/speed teams. They will pick players that fit the size and speed profile for the position. So think “big and fast” before putting a name in for these teams”.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
Was there or is there being made any effort to have Sands restructure his contract? And if so, what happened?
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Why? He’s the backup DT. I don’t think there is any team that follows it BACKUP DT more than some of you follow Sands.
LMFAO!
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JHill, he’s paid to be the starter. He was expected to be that force in the middle that I am complaining about. His salary does not justify his status.
He is terrible. A former 7th rounder from G.B he was a refugee in Europe before Al took him in.
The Raiders need help at his position and Sands is on the hot seat.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Also, JHill, the offense you saw at the beginning of the year wasn’t the same offense we saw at the end of the year.
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Yes it was …
Went scoreless in the 1st qtr AGAIN in the Tampa game. If anything, our defense held TB to 14 pts through 3 qtrs WITH a healthy Cadillac. What more do you want these guys to do?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Is Wink Martindale Don Martindale’s dad ???
March 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
JHill says,
I said at DT at 7 wouldn’t help any thing here. I didn’t say DTs don’t help in the run game. Cmon!
This is NFL and the other team is getting paid as well. So what we gave up a 1st down after having them backed up? We had them in 3rd and 9 at their own 16. We have to be able to get off the field their. And as you half heartedly say, the LBs should have made the play. You have to imagine that the nickel defense was in the game. No excuse for Rice to get off a 9 yd run. Squarely on the LBs and S.
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You say a DT #7 wouldn’t help whereas I say a DT will help. You’re locked in to blaming Morrison and the offense. You dismiss all these yards that pile up on the ground against the us. You dismiss the role DTs play in stopping the run in a 4-3.
A 9yard run…did Rice run cleanly through the line of scrimmage? Was he at full burst into the 2nd level?
I say a DT that is a top 10 prospect CAN help this run defense:
Strengths:
Outstanding mass and bulk…Excellent strength…Stout at the point of attack…Can fill two gaps…Able to occupy multiple blockers…Tough, powerful and nasty…A beast against the run…Can really collapse the pocket…Able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield…Above average athleticism…Quick and agile…Pursues well and has a burst to close…Good instincts and awareness…Will offer schematic versatility.
Perhaps if Raji was lined up in the middle when the Ravens were backed up in their end zone…maybe we would have had a different result.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
In 5 of our losses last year, our defense was damn good. Any type of help from the offense, things turn out much different. We were only out of 5 games last year, Den, NO, NE, Atl, and SD.
Buffalo game 7 points through 3 qtrs
San Diego game 3 points through 3 qtrs
Carolina 14 points through 3 qtrs
Miami 14 points through 3 qtrs
KC 10 points through 3 qtrs
March 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Exactly what speed and size profile does Sands fit???
March 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Bob Marley,
Good post on John Marshall. That was a good read. Hopefully his viewpoints will be taken seriously in the draft room. Certainly he will want to upgrade the D-Line and that’s a good thing.
Of course Al Davis is a speed guy too. Opting for guys that run great 40 yard dashes. Hopefully he will influence Al to pick defenders that are playmakers.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
oakglenn Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Kiff is excited to be here. Believe me. He thinks he’s turned the corner, he thinks he has guys buying into his system, things are moving forward, we just need some more guys.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
JHill, he’s paid to be the starter. He was expected to be that force in the middle that I am complaining about. His salary does not justify his status.
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No he’s not, Warren and Kelly are. If you are still stuck on expectations from 2 years ago, then you’re wasting your time. The team is not expecting Sands to be anything more than the backup he is. Kelly and Warren are not expected to be backups, Sands is.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
All the Pro day times are now suspect to me. Everyone is running faster. I am now skeptical. What timers are used? What surfaces? Hmnnnn?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Everyone running downhill? LOL
March 21st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
post 499 LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
thats some good poop there
March 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
good afternoon NATION!!!
anything new happen??
March 21st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
In 5 of our losses last year, our defense was damn good. Any type of help from the offense, things turn out much different. We were only out of 5 games last year, Den, NO, NE, Atl, and SD.
Buffalo game 7 points through 3 qtrs
San Diego game 3 points through 3 qtrs
Carolina 14 points through 3 qtrs
Miami 14 points through 3 qtrs
KC 10 points through 3 qtrs
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Buffalo game the defense gave up 10 pts in the last 5 minutes
San Diego 25 in 4th quarter
Carolina game offense lost that game
Miami – Defense gave up long plays and crapped out on the final drive
K.C – Tom Cable lost that game
Again, if Tom Cable had been the coach from training camp, I think the offense does perform better earlier in the season. But with Al Davis as the owner you have to take the good with the bad. Wasted 80% of the season with Curry and Lelie starting. Also, Buffalo and San Diego games turn out differently if the running game was intact.
On the 5 games you listed…the Raiders gave up well over 100+ yards in all games except Buffalo & S.D. What if the run defense was just average? Do the Raiders win those games?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
You’re locked in to blaming Morrison and the offense. You dismiss all these yards that pile up on the ground against the us. You dismiss the role DTs play in stopping the run in a 4-3.
A 9yard run…did Rice run cleanly through the line of scrimmage? Was he at full burst into the 2nd level?
I say a DT that is a top 10 prospect CAN help this run defense:
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Like I said S&B, you are just too locked into to Raji. It’s cool though. You can try and turn it around to me being against Morrison if u want to, but our first and 2nd down defense seem to be just fine. If you answer to all the 3rd and 6s and longer that we give up is a DT, then I would really question that. If we are getting pounded so much, how do we keep putting the other team in 3rd and long situations?
It would be really easy to just say, yeah our 3rd down defense failed us twice on that drive. Once on the 3rd and 9 for the first down on the opponents own 16 yd line, and again on 3rd and 5 by giving up a 70 yd td play. The fact that you are really digging in, and trying to make a case for Raji on this series is laughable.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pm
not much 408
March 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
still talkin draft eh 4eva????
March 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pm
JHill,
I see your point. We need help on offense, but we still need help with the run D. Can Raji at 7th fix thecwntire Run D? Ni, but it’s a start, and be can help. I do see now that we need a lot more help on Offense: play calling, using our talent correctly like Bush, help on Oline and WRs.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
The entire Run D? No.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
On the 5 games you listed…the Raiders gave up well over 100+ yards in all games except Buffalo & S.D. What if the run defense was just average? Do the Raiders win those games?
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LOL, S&B,
Keep trying! So 3 outta 5 games we gave up well over 100 yds? Carolina had 1 play for 70 yds, and Thigpen, the QB ran for how many yards in that KC game? WE already established that the 70 yd play should have been 7 yds even with Sands in there, right? And how many yds did Johnson have in that KC game? The run defense was better than average for 90% of the game. Time to start holding the other parts of the defense to the same standard that you’re holding the run defense to. How many yds are knocked off the run defense if the 3rd down defense does it’s job? How about half the 3 and outs from the offense instead of the steady stream we’ve been seeing? Maybe if they hold the ball an extra 6 or 7 minutes per game, say 1 or 2 nice possessions, then the defense performs in the 4th qtr like they do in the first half?
How about that?
March 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
LMN”s Mother Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Dammit, Leonard Weaver has signed with Philly, Robert Royal, Kevin Shaffer, Jason Brown all guys that would make our Offense better instantly, but fukk-up Al just dont want a good team…
What is this guy’s problem?
He’s a wannabe grass fairy.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
JHill, he’s paid to be the starter. He was expected to be that force in the middle that I am complaining about. His salary does not justify his status.
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No he’s not, Warren and Kelly are. If you are still stuck on expectations from 2 years ago, then you’re wasting your time. The team is not expecting Sands to be anything more than the backup he is. Kelly and Warren are not expected to be backups, Sands is.
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Last yr. Terdell Sands was paid in the same range with:
Rocky Bernard
LaRoi Glover
Darnell Dockett
Terdell was paid more than:
Amobi Okoye
Corey Redding
Fred Robbins
Adam Carriker
Broderick Bunkley
Jamal Williams
Sedrick Ellis
Kevin Williams
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=137&order=Salary+desc
March 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Blargh!
March 21st, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Al Davis, Oakland 02:35 PM ET
Every article I read people say the Raiders will be better off without me. Do you agree? Pat Kirwan, NFL.com
I have so much respect for you, Al, the Hall of Fame owner that you are. Could you please find a GM you trust and let him run your football team for you. You will enjoy the next five years if you do that.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Blargh!
That’s grass fairy for I suck!
March 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Raider O,
We need help with 3rd down defense. Any of these 3rd down plays are made, then that’s 13 less points for Baltimore all before the 4th qtr. We’re talking about a game that we are still in despite nothing from the offense.
3rd-9, BAL16 9:02 R. Rice rushed to the left for 9 yard gain
3rd-5, BAL30 7:26 J. Flacco passed to D. Williams to the left for 70 yard touchdown. M. Stover made PAT
3rd-20, BAL28 6:48 J. Flacco passed to R. Rice to the left for 21 yard gain
3rd-12, BAL18 3:32 J. Flacco passed to R. Rice down the middle for 14 yard gain
March 21st, 2009 at 1:14 pm
# Grass Fairy Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Blargh!
That’s grass fairy for I suck!
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well as your name suggest only you would know…
March 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
March 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
hey 408… how goes with you and your princess?
March 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Last yr. Terdell Sands was paid in the same range with:
Rocky Bernard
LaRoi Glover
Darnell Dockett
Terdell was paid more than:
Amobi Okoye
Corey Redding
Fred Robbins
Adam Carriker
Broderick Bunkley
Jamal Williams
Sedrick Ellis
Kevin Williams
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So he had a good agent!
Was he the starter last year? Or was he the backup? It’s real simple.
And I’m all for replacing Sands, by the way. Just not with the #7 pick.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:14 pm
# Grass Fairy Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Blargh!
That’s grass fairy for I suck!
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well as your name suggest only you would know…
WELL AS YOUR NAME SUGGESTS ONLY YOU WOULD KNOW
March 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
JHill,
Look at teams that stop the run like the Ravens and Pitt. They dont allow RBs to rush for 100 + yards a game. Ravens offense is not a lot better than the raiders except for their Oline. The made the POs and helped Flaco develop. I’m not saying we will have the Ravens D, but to be ranked in the buttom 5 in stopping the Rush for 5 years can’t be blamed on the offense. We need help on the Dline, and we have needed help there fir the past 7-8 years.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
yeah i noticed that one too =) quick fingers =)
March 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
This just in everyone. Raiders plan to draft Crabtree if he is available, if not, then they’ll look at LB, but they will wait on drafting a C until the second, they expect Mack to be gone by then, so they’ll go with the next best C. Third round is going the D’s way, where they’ll look at either a LB or DT, drafting whichever player at each position is the best one available. Fourth is going D again, and we are getting a SS. That’s their plan so far… more later when they decide what to do with the rest of their picks…
March 21st, 2009 at 1:21 pm
1. Rey Maualuga MLB
2. Max Unger C
3. Fili Moala DT
4. Kevin Ellison SS
6. Patrick Turner WR
7. Jason Watkins OT
UFA Rulon Davis DE
UFA Ra’Shon Harris DT
March 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
oakglenn Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
John I’m teasing, I’m not mad at ya. I guess that’s my point, that personally, I have waaay more faith in Kif, McCown, Davis and the Raiders organization than 95% of the so called “fans” or “nation” for that matter.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Why not Raji at 7th? We signed 2 OTs that can atart day one in FA, and we can draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd. With Mario in that OT mix, and if doesn’t workout, then we can draft one next year.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
JHill,
No one is saying the run defense lost every game last year. But the run defense is a big problem. You dismiss a 70 yard run against Carolina or the Dolphins run yards because it was the Wildcat. Or even Tyler Thigpen running for days and days. Those yards count just as much. 17 carries at 4 yards or more a pop counts.
The DTs are not solely responsible and nor am I saying that one player in the draft will be a cure all. But the fact is that the Raiders give up a lot of yards up the middle, around the edge, up/down and in between. A DT at #7 does make a difference and will put a dent in the defense. The Raiders, more than ever, need a guy on the D_Line that can penetrate, take on double teams and make plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
The linebackers, like the play on that YouTube clip, can’t make plays if they are getting handled by OGs in the second level. The Gerard Warren’s and Terdell Sands’ don’t command the double teams required of the position.
Show me the games where those guys ripped it up. Show me the games where you walk away saying….”The Raider defense set the tempo of this game”
Also, when you look to improve this defense. There are three positions that need the upgrade: DT, DE and SLB. Let’s look at the number 7 pick and see what could be available.:
DE – Orakpo – He’s a pass rusher a DE or 3/4 backer
SLB – Curry – He would help us a lot on containment and finishing tackles
DT – Raji – We know what the pundits are saying he can do
There is no safety at the number 7 pick.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
yeah i noticed that one too =) stinky fingers =) I love stinky fingers =)
March 21st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
yeah I head that too, LOL, and between 1st and 2nd all raiders personal at the draft will eat banana pie, wear boxers on their heads and sing “bombalaya”
March 21st, 2009 at 1:25 pm
heard, that too, regarding…
A Source familiar with the subject Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
March 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
As for WR, the position is not as important on a run heavy team as a DT. Also we can add a vet or trade for one later, so they can help our young WRs develop.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
408…
see ya, sadly you are only here in the afternoon (yours), too many kids in here in the afternoon…
take care all
FORZA BRONDBY, WE’RE @ #1!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
heard, that too, regarding…
A Source familiar with the subject Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
can’t say that I can give an objective opinion since I know nothing of American football. but I CAN name every grass fairy who plays European football.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pm
JHill,
If Al is thinking, a mock draft like this one would take care of a lot of issues with this defense:
1. B.J Raji, DT, B.C – Commands double teams, penetrates, beast against the run
2. Max Unger/Eric Wood, C Oregon/Louisville – 12 yr starter and upgrade on O-Line
3. Jasper Brinkley, LB, So. Car – Big physical guy with speed that hits hard that can push Morrison at MLB or take SLB spot
4. Mitch King, DE, Iowa – Base DE that can hold the edge
Now you have shored up 3 defensive positions that also increases the versatility and playmaking on defense. Adds another DT to the rotation and gets more depth at LB. Your Defensive End position on the strong side is improved.
Your offensive line will be upgraded with the free agent pickups, a new Center and a more seasoned Mario Henderson. The young receivers get another year under their belt and the QB gets coaching for the first time in his NFL career.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Later LMN… gotta make that $$$ and day job is trippin on my net usage…
March 21st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
LMN, do Americans go on soccer websites and post?
March 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Show me the games where those guys ripped it up. Show me the games where you walk away saying….”The Raider defense set the tempo of this game”
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I already did … but of course you looked right past it. The defense for the first 3 qtrs in 3 outta 4 of everyone of our games did just what it was supposed to do. That’s good enough for me. I’d like to now catch the offense up to that point. Tell me one game where our offense put us in a position to do anything in the first half? Even the last 6 games of the season, we only looked half way decent against Texas. We did NOTHING else offensively to speak of.
Improving our first half offense should be a bigger priority than fixing the 4th qtr run defense.
How do you stop the run? Get off the field on 3rd down and give the ball back to your offense.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
# Oakglenn’s Greatest Hits Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
oakglenn Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
John I’m teasing, I’m not mad at ya. I guess that’s my point, that personally, I have waaay more faith in Kif, McCown, Davis and the Raiders organization than 95% of the so called “fans” or “nation” for that matter.
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So after searching this blog, and sifting thru literally THOUSANDS of my posts, this is the best you can come up with?? Let’s put some context here: This statement was made immediately after the Raiders and Kiff and McCown had won their second game in a row over KC and Denver with McCown going 14/21 and 3 TD’s if I remember correctly. You have been looking for 6 days to find statements to discredit me. This is the BEST you can come up with?????????????????????????? You just completely discredited yourself, maddenloser.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Sorry S&B, but the draft is going to look more like
Crabtree/Maclin in rd 1
Unger or Wood in rd 2 in we don’t trade up for Mack.
Best RT prospect to compete with Pears in Rd 3.
Rd 4 Who knows after rd 3? You can have it to get a DT and DE prospect.
Or a trade back in Rd 1 for Mack at C
DHB in Rd 2
RT prospect with the extra 2nd rd pick acquired by trading back
DE in rd 3
SS in rd 4.
DE and S would do more for our defensive woes on 3rd down than DT. and we don’t have to spend the #7 pick to make it happen. OR if we do, it will be on Orakpo, Brown, or Johnson at DE.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:57 pm
# Oakglenn’s Greatest Hits Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
oakglenn Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Kiff is excited to be here. Believe me. He thinks he’s turned the corner, he thinks he has guys buying into his system, things are moving forward, we just need some more guys.
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Again, this statement was made just after the Raiders had won two of three, and just a couple of days BEFORE they played an excellent game against the defending Super Bowl Champion Indianapolis Colts, a team that ended up going 13-3 that year. Don’t really see the problem in this statement. Kiff had guys buying in, these apparently were moving forward, and we did and DO need more guys. If this is the best you can do to discredit me, I am glad you just wasted hours and hours of your time. And BTW, I completely stand by both these statements.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
One last word on this subject. I stand by what I say. It is what you call integrity. Liars like maddenraider make phony posts or lie, and then when they are caught, shrug it off and say so what. That’s what you call deceitful and despicable. Sucks to be him.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:25 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Show me the games where those guys ripped it up. Show me the games where you walk away saying….”The Raider defense set the tempo of this game”
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I already did … but of course you looked right past it. The defense for the first 3 qtrs in 3 outta 4 of everyone of our games did just what it was supposed to do.
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“We can carry the team for three quarters. But the offense has to win it in the 4th.” Ray Lewis
Enuff said.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:27 pm
A Source familiar with the subject Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
This just in everyone. Raiders plan to draft Crabtree if he is available, if not, then they’ll look at LB, but they will wait on drafting a C until the second, they expect Mack to be gone by then, so they’ll go with the next best C. Third round is going the D’s way, where they’ll look at either a LB or DT, drafting whichever player at each position is the best one available. Fourth is going D again, and we are getting a SS. That’s their plan so far… more later when they decide what to do with the rest of their picks…
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Interesting if true. I wonder what LB they will look at with the #7 if Crabs is not there?
I would have to think Maualuga if they are looking at a TRUE LB. I wonder if when you say LB if you suggest Everette Brown? He would more of a down DE though then a 4-3 SAM. He is a pass rusher….and the same goes for Orakpo.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
1. Rey Maualuga MLB
2. Max Unger C
3. Fili Moala DT
4. Kevin Ellison SS
6. Patrick Turner WR
7. Jason Watkins OT
UFA Rulon Davis DE
UFA Ra’Shon Harris DT
March 21st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
540. Bingo.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 11:23 am
JHill says,
You need to review this and tell me again about the Ravens game ..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20081026033&page=plays
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When I break down the Baltimore game, what I see is this:
Our first series, on third down, Jamarcus back to pass, SACK.
We stuff them, on our second series, Jamarcus back to pass for the second time in the game, SACKED AGAIN, safety.
Stop right there. We have gone back to pass twice in the game, we have taken huge losses, one resulting in opponent points at the most critical of times. And this happened EVERY SINGLE GAME. This is the defenses fault how now???
March 21st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
545. Good to see alot of us coming around to what Davis has been up to all these years.
206 offensive plays without a TD last year DID affect our D.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I’m trying to understand how JLH @ 5′11 185lbs = Maclin @ 6′0 200lbs?
Been looking at Maclin a bit closer since his pro day numbers are posted, and this kid would upgrade our WR corps.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:56 pm
206 offensive plays without a TD last year DID affect our D.
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People tend to try and forget things like that.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Stop right there. We have gone back to pass twice in the game, we have taken huge losses, one resulting in opponent points at the most critical of times. And this happened EVERY SINGLE GAME. This is the defenses fault how now???
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Even if we keep going …
The very next series, we stuff them AGAIN, and get the ball back at our 26. INEXCUSABLE for Cable to call 3 straight running plays forcing an obvious punt. Why JLH fielded that ball at the 8 yard line was another one of his WTF plays that almost got him benched!
None the less, the defense stops them ONCE AGAIN!
After ANOTHER 3 and out, the ST gives up a big punt return to our 17 yd line.
Again, our defense did what wrong?
March 21st, 2009 at 3:16 pm
JHill,
sometime recently on this site someone pasted a scouting report on Mr Maclin. His route running was graded as a real weakness, If I recall correctly. He was also deemed to be less than adequate if having to fight for the ball. I cannot remember when that was posted but it was quite revealing.
paying 40 million for poor routes and a lack of heart does seem excessive.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Our WRs under contract for 2009 are, Higgins, Schillens, Walker, Holland, Shields.
If we draft WR, that means we need to keep 6 WRs in the roster which means we lose a spot most likely at either line. With the status of both our lines, we know we need that spot, so then we drop a WR or we don’t draft one. If we drop one, then who? It would have to be either Holland or Shields. But it isn’t all lost, because he then would probably be kept on the practice squad. But other teams can sign them from there, so does Al like these two enough to keep ‘em?
March 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
oakglenn Says:
November 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Well fellas, if you look at my post on the other article, think for one second if like, I’m Kiff I come out RIGHT NOW, and say, Russell is starting. Now, if you read my other post, what I said was, football games have a rythmn and honestly, I think you’d want him in early, so he has that feel for the game. That was my feeling. But just imagine JR locker RIGHT NOW, if Kiff said he was starting. He’d have 95 reporters drilling him. AND THEN, HERE COMES THE NATIONAL PRESS. Shoot dudes, he wouldn’t sleep for days. Fox Sports would be calling him at home at 11;00 at nite, it would be a mess. Honestly, I think this is brilliant.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:25 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Stop right there. We have gone back to pass twice in the game, we have taken huge losses, one resulting in opponent points at the most critical of times. And this happened EVERY SINGLE GAME. This is the defenses fault how now???
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Even if we keep going …
The very next series, we stuff them AGAIN, and get the ball back at our 26. INEXCUSABLE for Cable to call 3 straight running plays forcing an obvious punt.
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Excellent break down Jhill. I can tell you EXACTLY why Cable called three straight running plays at this point tho. And I agree with him. At that point, we had proven we could not block them. Our offense was deer in the headlights. To keep dropping back to pass, probably would have caused this game to spin out of control even faster than it did and possibly damage the psyche of our rookie QB. I remember Ray Lewis coming up to Jamarcus during the game and kind of shaking his head at the beating Jam was taking. This game was a perfect microcosm of our entire season. Hence why I keep crying for getting the stellar offensive tackles.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Post #556 really is one of my greatest hits. Not only did I call exactly what happened waaay in advance, but I described why. Which also was correct. Thank whoever for finding that and posting that.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm
We need crabtree so we dont go 4-5 games without a td again
March 21st, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I never really care about what we are paying players, M. The salary cap has never been a problem for us, and it’s about to go away. These teams have the $ so it doesn’t bother me one bit when a player gets overpaid.
All I know is Maclin and Crabtree would move to #1 on our depth chart at WR. That may be saying more about who we have on the roster than it is about Maclin, but it is what it is.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:40 pm
the raiders run defense sucks!every team in the nfl knows that.drafting a wr will not change that.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:40 pm
# 15 years old 15 year fan Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm
We need crabtree so we dont go 4-5 games without a td again
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I think you missed the point here 15. Crabtree can’t block Terrel Suggs, and he can’t catch passes if Jamarcus is lying flat on his back. And even tho we have signed a host of offensive linemen, teams don’t let guys who CAN block Terrel Suggs go to other teams. (See Harris, Kwame)
March 21st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
What happened to that guy posting my greatest hits??? I was rather enjoying that.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:44 pm
At least the OT postion has been addressed, Oak. We will be so much better at OT with the moves that we have already made. Pears is an upgrade over Green, and I fully expect a RT prospect in this draft. Henderson and Barnes will battle it out for LT, and the winner will get every opportunity that Kwame got last year. If it doesn’t work out, we will have a high draft pick again next year, right?
We need to shore up C and RG like now. I hope McQuistan is given a shot to unseat Carlisle because he was less than stellar last year. Should probably be a backup like Green at this point. If not McQ, then we need to draft a RG in rd 3 on top of a C in rd 2.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:49 pm
And I still disagree with the 3 straight running plays. And I hope we see a lot more creativity from Cable this year. How about a rolling pocket away from Suggs? How about going to two TEs? 3 or 4 WRs?
Yeah, I see it if he was going to keep going with the basic I formation. But dude needs to come a lot stronger than that.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Jhill, they have addressed it, the question is have they solved it? There is no way I think they have. Pears is an undrafted backup and Barnes has played worse and worse each year. And if the coaching staff was sold on Henderson, they wouldn’t be signing these guys. We have been trying to get a LT for 12 years. It is time for us to come up with “The Final Solution.”
March 21st, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I understand that you don’t think they have solved it Oak. But it appears that Al likes Henderson, and Cable likes Barnes, and they are going to get this year to figure out if either of them is the guy.
Like I said, if it doesn’t work out, we can draft a LT next year. But the fact that we have 2 prospects at that spot now? It makes no sense to add a 3rd.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:58 pm
jhill,542 .that`s the number of rushing att`s against the raiders last year.most in the league.471 pass att`s 3rd lease in the league.drafting a wr will not change that.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:00 pm
If Cable and Michalczik are satisfied that the OTs on the roster now will keep JRuss clean and open holes for the multi-headed running attack, well then, good. But just think how differently would have been written the last decade in the NFL if the Raiders had been able to snag the T they wanted in Orlando Pace rather than to have to settle for DRuss.
If Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith or Michael Oher are THAT guy then it would be wise to go after him no matter who is presently on the roster.
Center. If Alex Mack is THAT guy then go after him and care not what the draft position number says.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:03 pm
This offense will be much improved from last year. If coaching is going to impact any side of the ball greatly this year it will be the offense.
JaMarcus Russell is getting real coaching for the first time in his pro-career. Hackett is well-regarded and Chad Pennington raves about his work
Tom Cable: It took him a while to figure out how this team clicks. He was O-Line coach so probably didn’t figure prominently in play calling and seeing other players work. His offense in the Denver, N.E, Houston and Tampa games were good.
Kwame Harris – Inexplicably wasted games with him. He busted as bad as I’ve ever seen. Henderson was an upgrade and with Barnes pushing him that position should get to average or better. When Mario was in the lineup, the Raiders doubled their points per game.
Running Backs – DMAC was hurt all year. The one game he was healthy he ran for 167 yards. He will be 100%. Michael Bush..He caught 7 balls for 80 yds against S.D, 90 yds rushing against the Chiefs and was a reincarnation of Earl Campbell against Tampa.
Cable has to better use the running backs and I am confident that he will do that this year.
Wide Receiver: Schilens was named the starter for the Raven game but got injured. He made some nice catches in that game and turned it up at the end of the year. JLH is a big play waiting to happen and proved it several times. JaMarcus now gets an entire offseason with them.
By the way…here is what Schilens is capable of, quality is a little suspect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3w92pPUDL8
March 21st, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I don’t disagree with that M, but my question would simply be why bring in Barnes at all? It makes no sense. There is no doubt that one of those 4 OTs will be there when we pick, right?
Maclin or Crabtree in rd 1, and a C in rd 2, or vice versa, help out right away.
BD29, do we really have to go over how the offense staying on the field and scoring points in the first qtr helps the defense instead of constant 3 and outs?
March 21st, 2009 at 4:09 pm
This clip represents where the offense is going. With Bush and DMAC pounding the ball and Schilens stretching the defense. This catch looks like the catches he had in the college clip. This is our deep threat!
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bfbbd6
March 21st, 2009 at 4:12 pm
M, I think your post in #569 is exactly right. I wouldn’t take Mack at #7, but other wise what you wrote is completely right on. The Raiders had Pace on their radar and figured no one would move up to #1 to get him. WRONG!! Vermeil did and two Super Bowl appearances (including one world championship) later, we were all left holding the “We wanted Darrel Russel All Along” tag all the way to the dumpster. I feel the 4 marquee LT prospects in this draft @ #7, is the number one way to get the franchise on it’s feet again. (pardon the pun)
March 21st, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Chaz Schilens again showing his capability. Big guy that gets free. Again on a play fake. This is our wide receiver.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d8b508
March 21st, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I didn’t feel Chaz was a good receiver in the last preseason. He did not look good to me, but man, later in the season, He looked excellent. The one catch he made in the TB game, for the first down, was exceptional. And with Arman Shields coming on board, right now, I feel we could delay drafting a reciever, and go LT early.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:15 pm
oakglenn Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Huff, Kiffin specifically went out and got Russell because he IS a good fit for this O. As a matter of fact a spectacular fit.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:18 pm
This is how JaMarcus looks when you take the liabilities out of the lineup.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d84508
March 21st, 2009 at 4:19 pm
# Oakglenn’s Greatest Hits Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:15 pm
oakglenn Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Huff, Kiffin specifically went out and got Russell because he IS a good fit for this O. As a matter of fact a spectacular fit.
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Well, If Davis was the one that over rode Kiffin on Jamarcus Russell this discredits all the Davis haters because Jamarcus IS a spectacular talent. No one in the NFL will deny that. If someone is a bold faced liar, I can’t be held responsible if they are going to stand here and lie to all of our faces. Nice try tho.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Vermeil did and two Super Bowl appearances (including one world championship) later, we were all left holding the “We wanted Darrel Russel All Along” tag all the way to the dumpster.
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I think Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, and Kurt Warner would have something to say about your take, LOL! I think it was a little more than Pace.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
JHill,
Barnes came in for a look. Went away and came back to sign a one year deal at a minimal salary. Hard to bypass the Jags starting LT for virtually nothing. Hell, they could cut him in minicamp and lose little.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Again, when Cable put in the right players:
These Michael Bush highlights from the Bucs game is all I need to see for next year. Some interesting quotes from the announcers:
“Bush is in the backfield as the running back because Fargas has a knee injury and McFadden has an ankle injury”
“Oh there he goes, look at this run, chased by Barber, chased by Buchanon and..he is in for the touchdown! A 67 yard sprint and the Raiders have recaptured the lead. Michael Bush in his 1st NFL season, missing last year with an injury breaking one tackle after another”
“He has taken this game by the throat and squeezed”
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80db1052
March 21st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Johnnie Lee Higgins did this about 4 times last year. He also averaged 4 catches a game in the last 3. Raiders already have a deep threat. No need for Maclin
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d56189
March 21st, 2009 at 4:33 pm
JHill,
imagine Raider history with Pace at LT instead of our very own, game as he was, Barry Sims.
And Gallery would have never been a choice. Heard of L Fitzgerald?
yes, I know, ifs ifs ifs, but if the Raiders had gotten who they wanted, Orlando, a dozen years ago there would’ve been a much different Raider world.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:34 pm
LOL. Jhill I never said Pace was solely responsible for their success, but you do wonder if a Div 1aa castoff QB, would have turned into a Hall of Famer had Orlando Pace not been protecting his blind side all those years.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
# M Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
JHill,
Barnes came in for a look. Went away and came back to sign a one year deal at a minimal salary. Hard to bypass the Jags starting LT for virtually nothing. Hell, they could cut him in minicamp and lose little.
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Once again, M is completely right. And on the other side, if Barnes somehow morphs into the second coming of Anthony Munoz, he is a complete and total free agent and can sign with anyone. Considering all of that, it looks to me like LT at #7 all the more.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
DMAC, in case you all forgot, when healthy is a beast
“The big criticism of Tom Cable lately offensively is that Darren McFadden has not gotten into the ball game until the game is pretty much of hand”
“You have to get your best guy on the field”
“The first word is EXPLOSIVE” “The Explosion when he sees the gap”
“What a great catch”
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d84919
March 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Oak,
Who was protecting Warner’s blind side in the SB last year?
March 21st, 2009 at 4:45 pm
The offense was badly mismanaged through most of the season. Both in the starting lineup, injuries and playcalling.
With the addition of Barnes and Pears with another year of Henderson. The tackles should be okay.
Need to draft a Center and Mack, Unger, Wood will all be upgrades over Jake Grove provided they stay healthy.
I’ve posted several highlights where the offense showed glimpses of what its capable of when the right players are on the field. I didn’t even include Zack Miller and his abilities.
If the Raiders are going to draft a receiver number 1 it better be Crabtree. Maclin would be a waste.
If the Raiders draft an OT it better be J. Smith or Monroe. Those guys are athleticm strong, well rounded and have great attitudes.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
S&B,
that minor caveat, “when healthy” with regards to DMc…as Raider fans we have had the pleasure of seeing Charles Woodson have chronic issues with his turf toe (among other ailments and injuries) for years. The the turf toe condition has continued again for him in Green Bay. I do hope that DMc is not an on again off again redux of that.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Oakglenn,
yes, I know from a while back that you and I are on the same page about the O-line. The only but for me is that I would not hesitate to draft Alex Mack at #7 if he is THE guy you want.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
M Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
S&B,
that minor caveat, “when healthy” with regards to DMc…as Raider fans we have had the pleasure of seeing Charles Woodson have chronic issues with his turf toe (among other ailments and injuries) for years. The the turf toe condition has continued again for him in Green Bay. I do hope that DMc is not an on again off again redux of that
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He was a 4th overall pick he is expected to deliver. Also have to Cable realizes his horses are DMAC and Bush
March 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pm
if Barnes somehow morphs into the second coming of Anthony Munoz, he is a complete and total free agent and can sign with anyone.
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And what makes you think that Al would be outbid for him? Add that to the list of things that need to happen before a LT at 7 like Andre Smith or Oher get on the field.
Barnes has to beat out Henderson. Then Barnes has to have a heck of a year, then some other team has to outbid us for his services. Once again, $ will not be the issue.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
M,
Weren’t most people saying we would never take a K at 17, and a safety at 7?
March 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pm
JHill,
of course they were saying no way at 17. Screw ‘em. SeaBass has been here ever since and does a good job whenever he isn’t trying to run for a first down on 4th and 9. Jano actually seems to be getting better each season.
huff??consternation
Mack? Go for it if it’s right.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:15 pm
“if Barnes somehow morphs into the second coming of Anthony Munoz”
I will morph into Al Davis
Barnes is Harris #2
That guy was the reason Garrard was on his back all year. Jacksonville fans were glad he left town just like we are all happy to see stu schweigert leave town.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:25 pm
# JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Oak,
Who was protecting Warner’s blind side in the SB last year?
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Actually, Zona took Levi Brown I think 5th overall in the 07 draft if I remember. He actually played right tackle, because Leinert being left handed, the right side would be his blind side. In any event, Brown has actually played well for them.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:28 pm
# 15 years old 15 year fan Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 3:28 pm
We need crabtree so we dont go 4-5 games without a td again
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I think you missed the point here 15. Crabtree can’t block Terrel Suggs, and he can’t catch passes if Jamarcus is lying flat on his back. And even tho we have signed a host of offensive linemen, teams don’t let guys who CAN block Terrel Suggs go to other teams. (See Harris, Kwame)
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he got sacked 3 times when we played baltimore last season he only scored 1 td they only got 5 first downs when it mattered i admit most of that was bad play calling but a wr can help wat if crabtree becomes the next fitz and we pass on him
March 21st, 2009 at 5:34 pm
# JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:56 pm
if Barnes somehow morphs into the second coming of Anthony Munoz, he is a complete and total free agent and can sign with anyone.
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And what makes you think that Al would be outbid for him? Add that to the list of things that need to happen before a LT at 7 like Andre Smith or Oher get on the field.
Barnes has to beat out Henderson. Then Barnes has to have a heck of a year, then some other team has to outbid us for his services. Once again, $ will not be the issue.
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Let’s say that Michael Oher or Jason Smith is available at #7, which almost surely will happen. They take him. Now, they are not going to make the mistake they made with Rob Gallery and throw him out there to the lions. They are going to work with him, groom him, train him to get stronger, and then get him out there.
In the meantime, you can have Barnes show the kid some of the ropes, and then let Barnes sail and bring the Rook in to start at the end of the season and for the next 9 years. Makes complete sense to me.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Since everything is it’s own opposite in Buddhist dialectic theory, his hate is manifested in love. Especially for Oakglenn.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Rain, go to the archives. Everything I’ve said has been totally accurate. All I’ve said, is we can win with Mccown.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“Let’s say that Michael Oher or Jason Smith is available at #7, which almost surely will happen. They take him. Now, they are not going to make the mistake they made with Rob Gallery and throw him out there to the lions”
I couldn’t agree more.
Good point Oakglenn
Or we take a Center either way the OL is going to get the high draft picks and the DL will be addressed in later rounds.
Protecting Russell at this point seems to be a higher priority then stopping the run.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:15 pm
# Oakglenn’s Greatest Hits Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Rain, go to the archives. Everything I’ve said has been totally accurate. All I’ve said, is we can win with Mccown.
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I took Josh McCown too. I have built championship teams. What’s you point loser?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Thanks Bill. Do any of you guys know Bill Parcells here? Good guy. Knows something about the game.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:20 pm
# SilverNblack666 Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“Let’s say that Michael Oher or Jason Smith is available at #7, which almost surely will happen. They take him. Now, they are not going to make the mistake they made with Rob Gallery and throw him out there to the lions”
I couldn’t agree more.
Good point Oakglenn
Or we take a Center either way the OL is going to get the high draft picks and the DL will be addressed in later rounds.
Protecting Russell at this point seems to be a higher priority then stopping the run.
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Protecting Russell should be our top priority triple six. When he has had time, Russell was fantastic. I feel we could get one of the marquee tackles, see if Sean Smith the Safety out of Utah is still available at 40, and then grab one of the marquee centers in the 3rd round. done and done.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Here’s a trade that should make everyone happy!
Oakland Raiders trade their #7 pick to Cleveland for:
Clevaland’s #37 and Shaun Rogers, DT
March 21st, 2009 at 6:27 pm
That way the Raiders get a NT and an extra high 2nd rounder.
The Raiders could then package their extra 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder to trade up to get Alex Mack, for you Mack fans
March 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I can’t see Jason Smith being available at 7. I’m taking so many more guys ahead of Michael Oher at 7.
Do you realize who we would be leaving on the board to take Oher at 7? You have to apply the same logic to Oher that you do to Mack at 7, trade down.
I’d take Mack before Oher.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Looks like my post was actually edited by loser boy. Here is the post in it’s entirety. Sad that loser boy now has to resort to editing my comments. You would think that with the 10 million posts I have made, you could find some inaccuracies. I guess not.
# oakglenn Says:
September 30th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Rain, go to the archives. Everything I’ve said has been totally accurate. All I’ve said, is we can win with Mccown, Culpepper, Russell, shoot, Andrew Walter. I don’t care who they put in there. I have confidence each of ‘em can win. Go back and look. find me and quote me.I’m a huge Daunte fan, dude. Realistically tho, the fins suck and coaching staff didn’t ask Daunte to win the game. He asked the o line to win it. And they did. End of story.
2nd thing I said was booing your own team is moronic. Show me an instance in modern sports history where fans booed their own team to victory. Today, both idiot whiner fan, and dumbsh** Discharger fan booed their teams, and the more they booed, the worst both teams played. Hey, yes, you have the right to boo, but as I’ve said, what’s the difference between a Bronco fan booing the Raiders and a Raider fan booing the Raiders??? Answer: nothing. Those are two of the points I’ve made: we can win with the guys we’ve got, let’s all get in the same direction, watch each others backs and take on all comers. Kind of an easy philosphy really
March 21st, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Oak, you’re creating a problem that is not there. Henderson gave up zero sacks and had zero penalties, and they brought in competition to push him at LT. Russell was 60% behind him. How about improving the obvious hole at RT and C.
No way we get one of the top Cs in the 3rd round.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm
# JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I can’t see Jason Smith being available at 7. I’m taking so many more guys ahead of Michael Oher at 7.
Do you realize who we would be leaving on the board to take Oher at 7? You have to apply the same logic to Oher that you do to Mack at 7, trade down.
I’d take Mack before Oher.
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Problem is, LT’s are worth an infinite amount more than centers. I was using either Smith or Oher as examples that two of the top 4 LT’s should be available when we pick, provided Detroit takes Stafford at #1. It’s amazing that the #4 LT in the draft will probably go before the lst center is taken. As Run DMC would say, it’s just the way it is.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Here’s a trade that should make everyone happy!
Oakland Raiders trade their #7 pick to Cleveland for:
Clevaland’s #37 and Shaun Rogers, DT
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That’s awful S&B …
On one hand, it says that Shaun Rogers is better than BJ Raji, which I happen to agree with.
But the difference between Gerrard Warren and Shaun Rogers is what? Rogers would be on his 3rd team. He was a bust on the Lions. Had one good year on a bad defense. And he’s already on his way to a 3rd team.
What’s the difference?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:49 pm
# JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Oak, you’re creating a problem that is not there. Henderson gave up zero sacks and had zero penalties, and they brought in competition to push him at LT. Russell was 60% behind him. How about improving the obvious hole at RT and C.
No way we get one of the top Cs in the 3rd round.
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We ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO fix the problem at LT. MUST. Otherwise we are not going to win, and we could RUIN an overall number one pick. I am not sold on Henderson, and neither is the coaching staff. Barnes has gotten worse every single year. Why, I don’t know. Maybe opponents have found a hole in his game and are now exploiting it. That may also be true of Henderson. Opponents have not seen enough of him to know how to exploit him. Hence why I am advocating taking Smith, Smith, Oher, Monroe, whoever is available. There is no other position on the team in a more dire situation. And that goes for safety, WR and DE or DT. And say you grab Oher or Andre Smith, you could grab Sean Smith the safety in the 2nd round, which would REALLY help your defense, and if he wasn’t there, go for one of the defensive ends at that point.
Lastly, surely, either Eric Wood, Jon Luigs, or Antoine Caldwell will be available in the 3rd round, maybe even the top of the 4th. And those are VERY VERY good centers.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pm
There you go with that value thing again. To me, I line up the top 15 players regardless of position 1-15. When I pick at 7, I look at my list and take the highest guy on my list at a position that I can use right away.
In other words, if my board looks like
Curry
Crabtree
Andre Smith
Alex Mack
Eugene Monroe
Beanie Wells
Orakpo
and so on …
I take Alex Mack at 7 if Curry, Crabtree, and Smith are off the board. I’m not going to say, OH, he’s a C, I can’t take him now. Especially when I have no one at the position now. If I overspend a little to get the guy I’m sure will be there for 10 years, then that’s what it would be.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Jhill, that is how 99% of the teams do it. Very smart. I just have Monroe and Jason Smith on my big board as well. One of ‘em has to land in our laps I would hope.
Value DOES come into play here tho. I am sure there are teams that have Eric Wood or Max Unger graded higher than Alex Mack. Let’s say a team drafting high needs a center like we do. Well, they are not going to take Eric Wood in the top 10 even if they LOVE him, because they know he will be available in later rounds and can solve other issues and still get him.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:02 pm
We ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO fix the problem at LT. MUST.
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We’ll be the same, and what he means by that is what you saw in Tampa Bay,” Cable said. “There was more two-tight end (sets), those types of things, more power in the system and formations.”
Mario did a fine job in those last three games. You can’t argue with it and I think for us to get better in the offensive line it’s important to get competition in there,” Cable said. “That may mean in the draft, that may mean in free agency, as we’ve done alittle bit. But the biggest key right now is he’s proved himself and he’s gone out and done some good things.”
When pressed on a possible move, Cable said, “`Right now, he’s the left tackle for sure.”
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Mario has not left the building since the season ended. Meanwhile we literally have no one at C, and I guess your happy with Pears as an upgrade over Green at RT? Or do you see Henderson as our RT for the next 10 years?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Lions take a look at B.J. Raji … or do they?
Posted by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com March 13, 2009 10:29AM
Categories: Draft
I’m not saying I think the Detroit Lions are going to use the first pick in the draft to take Boston College’s B.J. Raji. But they certainly could use a big, strong (and young) defensive tackle.
And what’s most interesting to me is that Raji’s name has not been associated with the Lions’ first-round pick, despite the draft’s dearth of talented interior linemen on defense.
In terms of Mayhew’s admitted obfuscation &ndash that’s right, obfuscation – regarding the pick, couldn’t one interpret the lack of interest as actual interest? Then again, maybe they’re really interested in the other defensive lineman from B.C., Ron Brace, for a lower pick. Ahh, the mysteries of life…
Of course, last year’s first-round pick of the Lions, offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus, is putting in a plug for his ex-teammate.
MLive.com, March 13: While sitting out 2007, Raji played on BC’s scout team. Sometimes he went up against offensive tackle Gosder Cherulis, who was drafted last April by Detroit with the 17th overall pick.
“B.J. might be the best overall pick right now in this draft,” said Cherulis, who watched the workouts. “You can draft him right now and he’ll be ready for you because he’s quick and smart. Ron, we didn’t know what to think of him when he first got here, but he really put himself in this position.”
While I’m sure Cherilus is biased, I can’t imagine him pushing for Raji – especially behind the scenes – unless he feels he really is that good.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I don’t know Oak …
In a way we are saying the same thing. We need a starting OT and a starting C. If we ended up with Oher or Andre Smith and Wood or Unger, I wouldn’t be upset at all. I would just expect them to play RT and C while Henderson and Barnes battle it out at LT.
And if they suck at LT next year, I’d draft a LT with next years #1 pick.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
A center at 7th!!!! No way. Who is going to pay a center 25 mil signing bonus and 50 mil contract?!?!?! Mack at 7th is crazy talk.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:28 pm
# JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I don’t know Oak …
And if they suck at LT next year, I’d draft a LT with next years #1 pick.
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One thing Jhill that most sports GM’s will tell you is they would rather be 4-12 a year or two than 8-8 because when you are mired in that 8-8, 7-9 range, you don’t get access to the truly excellent players in the draft. That’s what makes this draft so intriguing. First off, I can’t remember a draft that has SOOO MANY excellent LT prospects. 2ndly, this (hopefully) will be the last time we are drafting this highly for a loooooong while. And we have to make it count!! This has to be a big time draft for us.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I think JHill us right. Come draft day, we should take the best player available except RB, QB, and TE. One of the top 3 OTs, Crab, Raji, Orakpo, Curry, and Maclin. And we see who will be there at 7, and who cab make the most impact his rookie year, and that should be the pick. I say We should take Raji if he’s available.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I think JHill is right. Come draft day, we should take the best player available except RB, QB, and TE. One of the top 3 OTs, Crab, Raji, Orakpo, Curry, and Maclin. And we see who will be there at 7, and who can make the most impact his rookie year, and that should be the pick. I say We should take Raji if he’s available.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Don’t worry.
He’s got a million of em’.
Join us next week and I’ll share some of my personel favorites.
Go Raiders!
March 21st, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Raji will make the other 3 D linemen look better, and he will help our LB make more play and also our DBs. The only thing with him is his height. If not Raji then OT, Orakpo, or WR.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:47 pm
# Oakglenn’s Greatest Hits Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Don’t worry.
He’s got a million of em’.
Join us next week and I’ll share some of my personel favorites.
Go Raiders!
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Keep “em coming Maddenloser. I’m really enjoying it. You shouldn’t edit them tho. It just shows what a liar you are.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
I also understand that we need to fix the offense too, but we can’t do it all in ONE DRAFT.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:52 pm
If you liked these.
You will looooooooooooooooooooove next week’s show.
Highlights include: McCown giving us the best chance to win.
Kiffin coaching the Raiders for years to come.
The media inventing the Davis/Kiffin fued to sell papers.
And many, many, more.
Stay tuned……………………………..
March 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pm
So it comes down to the best player available ( like JHill Said) who can make an impact his rookie year. History showed that rookie WR don’t usually have good rookie years, and they need time to learn NFL routes, and how to play against press and such things. Raji, OT, and Orakpo can make an impact right away.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Just for fun, since I know it will not happen as long as Al is alive…and the Eagles would never do it but…
Raiders trade down with the Eagles, who select Crabtree at #7. Raiders select C Mack at 21, T Britton at 28, and NT Brace at 40.
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Nice….and then they can go LB in Round 3 like Jasper Brinkley, then in Round 4 go WR Patrick Turner or best DE available.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:05 pm
If we can draft a center in the 3rd, then I would like us to draft SS William Moore in the 2nd, and have Branch play FS. He can use his speed and CB play abiliity to make plays. We can him and Huff in Nickle. Draft Raji in the 1st, JB in the 4th, DE or Oline in the 6th, and best player available at 7th.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
# M Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 4:00 pm
If Cable and Michalczik are satisfied that the OTs on the roster now will keep JRuss clean and open holes for the multi-headed running attack, well then, good. But just think how differently would have been written the last decade in the NFL if the Raiders had been able to snag the T they wanted in Orlando Pace rather than to have to settle for DRuss.
If Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith or Michael Oher are THAT guy then it would be wise to go after him no matter who is presently on the roster.
Center. If Alex Mack is THAT guy then go after him and care not what the draft position number says.
^^^^^^^Sorry but drafting Mack at #7 would be another STUPID move by the old man and would be a waste pick IMO. Why draft Mack at #7 when he can be had between 15-24?? Especially since some have Unger and Wood rated HIGHER at Center?
It would make no freakin sense and that dumb of a move would rank right up there with the old man drafting a freakin Kicker in Round 1.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:08 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 1:43 am
And, I know Gruden was going to leave anyway. Of course he wanted to leave. Nobody wants to work for Al Davis. But had we kept him for the remainder of his contract, we’d have our 4th lombardi trophy, and today Gruden would be the 49ers Head Coach. To Al, that lombardi wasn’t worth seeing the Niners do good with Gruden.
Gruden coaching the Niners???? Man is this guy in left field.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 1:57 am
Not to mention, all the women and children that would have gone Niners and stopped buying Raider gear the minute their beloved Chuckster crossed the bay.
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This maddenraider guy is the biggest joke on the planet. But hey maddenraider it’s all good. Go Niners right Maddenraider? LMFAO!!!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I can’t wait for the draft.
My New Mock Draft ( O Mock 2. lol) :
1- Raji
2- SS William Moore
3- C Caldwell, or best C available.
4- LB JB
6- DE or Oline
7- Best player available.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:20 pm
It’s obvious to me, that this chat room just doesn’t understand what the draft is all about.
Mack at 7? If you really think that is possible you need to be wearing a protective helmet…you are a danger to yourself.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
For those of you who have asked how does Maclin = JLH.
It’s not about comparing there size, it’s about seeing how similar their skills are.
Both are KR’s/PR’s and are the same supposed “speed” type of WR. Neither have great size.
Why draft a WR so high that has the same type of skill set as JLH when Crabtree has more of the complete package as a WR.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Next years draft:
1- OT or WR
2- DE, G, or LB
3- OLine or WR
4- CB, RB,or LB
5- DT
6- Best player available
7- Best player available
March 21st, 2009 at 8:31 pm
mack at 7 ? huih ?
March 21st, 2009 at 8:32 pm
jerry . where would my life be without yur blog ? if u need anything , anything , just ask , a power saw , couple dollars , a brazilian women to massage u . anything , jus holla. and thanks
March 21st, 2009 at 8:34 pm
stupid raider O alreadt talkin bout next year`s draft. dude , can we start dis season . no wonder football rules. errbody thinks their a g.m.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:37 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Bob Marley, the day anyone needs your respect is the day Bob Marley and his filthy, insect filled wig come back from the dead. You hear what I saying, mon?
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This is just plain wrong. Bob Marley is universally loved, revered and respected for a variety of reasons. Maddenloser is loathed, and disrespected universally.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
dorianGray Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 8:34 pm
stupid raider O alreadt talkin bout next year`s draft. dude , can we start dis season . no wonder football rules. errbody thinks their a g.m.
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Hey, I have mock drafts for the next decade. I’m scouting Jr. high prospects now.
I’ve started watching elementary school recess pickup games as well.
Take that Todd McShay, you tool.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Just heard that the Broncos fired McDaniels and hired Gruden to pacify crybaby Jay.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:00 pm
For those of you who have asked how does Maclin = JLH.
It’s not about comparing there size, it’s about seeing how similar their skills are.
Both are KR’s/PR’s and are the same supposed “speed” type of WR. Neither have great size.
Why draft a WR so high that has the same type of skill set as JLH when Crabtree has more of the complete package as a WR.
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No Sir!
5′11 185 is not 6′0 198lbs. There’s a big size difference there.
Reggie Wayne is 6′0 198
Lee Evans is 5′10 198
Ocho Cinco is 6′1 195
Donald Driver 6′0 195
Greg Jennings 5′11 197
Santonio Holmes 5′11 192
Antonio Bryant 6′1 205
Maclin is a perfect size, and our #1 WR won’t be returning punts in the NFL… JLH is small. Perfect slot guy or #2 WR.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:20 pm
god bless those four brave souls that kept our city safe, I wonder what Dmac thinks of this
March 21st, 2009 at 9:25 pm
You guys are idiots!
March 21st, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Crabtree is way better than Maclin. It would be insane to take Maclin with Crab available.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:41 pm
The quickest way to improve the Raiders over all is to make sure the “O” is dominant by bringing Pace, drafting Smith at #7 and trading up to get Mack. Now there is can’t miss competition at each position as Henderson can push Carisle at RG. This kind of dominant line super elevates the play of JR, the RBs and the WRs.
It translates into a solid running game and a passing attack that equates to a balanced offense. The kind of offense that keeps the defense fresh and with few other “D” picks in the later rounds would get the Raiders to the playoffs.
Getter done!
March 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
No reason for insults. If you don’t like my post, why not ignore it. I think you wouldn’t call people idiots in real life, so you do it safely behind your PC. Show some class.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pm
March 21st, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Dang, strange blog, comments from hell!
March 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those 4 murdered police officers.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 am
3 dead oakland pigs Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 10:55 pm
AAAAHHHHHH,…..suck bad news…lol,..oh man, so sad to hear the cops got killed,…lmao……oh man that really bums me out….lol.
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Your life must really suck for you to be such a calous A hole
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 am
REPOST
oakglenn Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Kiff is excited to be here. Believe me. He thinks he’s turned the corner, he thinks he has guys buying into his system, things are moving forward, we just need some more guys.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 am
# MaddenRaider Says:
November 29th, 2007 at 1:25 am
Whatever though, man. Nobody here takes you seriously outside of Chad E, Raiders Glory, and the other screen names they use. Especially now. We win our first game in KC since god knows when, and we do it on the ground. It is now clear as day that in order for us to win, we have to do everything Al would NOT do. That’s the formula. Kiffin not only showed Al up last week, he showed up his idiot minions, like you. Your credibility it shot. IT’s Kiffin’s Raiders, or it’s lose, lose, lose baby. Most fans know this. You and the Davis loyals can deny it and commiserate over how Al should get the credit, outside of merely hiring Kiffin, all you want. We don’t need you, or your tired, repetitive shilling for a philosophy, a system, and a man in which all three are now defunct. Put that in your spliff.
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“It’s Kiffins Raiders”. The best part of this is when maddenloser says someones elses cred is shot. Funny, maddenloser never once ever had ANY cred. that’s why he tries to destroy others cred, by lying and trolling. If you read this post closely, you can literally hear maddenraiders brain rip in two.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 am
Here is a little ditty posted right after the last MR meltdown. Couldn’t have said it better myself:
# MaddenRaider Slapper Says:
November 29th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Hey Marley, Thanks for the laughs. Notice he comes back and goes an all-out attack on Al Davis and you. Anything to take the focus off what a big effin hypocrite and the double-standars he employs.
No he claims Al Davis has never believed in a “power running game” even though he’s said that about 5,000 times.
Again, Marley thanks for the laughs. And no, I’m not Chad, Glory or anyone else, I’m just someone that realizes that it’s dumb to hate the person that is the Raiders and then claime EVERY possible success that comes from the organization is not his decision.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 am
# MaddenRaider Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I really doubt Davis is a liberal. A “Humphrey Democrat”, is what the post says; Whatever that is. Hubert Humphrey is a bit before my time.
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Maddenlose sure knows absolutely nothing about Davis, the guy he spends the most of his time discussing. Here, he admits he doesn’t know what the heck he is talking about.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 am
you guys too funny lol
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 am
Thanks for MR’s greatest hits…I forgot that he said ‘Al doesn’t believe in the power running game’, even though Al brought it up…again..at Cable’s press conference that he wanted more power running.
Thanks for the laughs.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 am
All this al dosen’t like to run shiz is stupid didn’t we lead the league in 2000 with garner and wheately you play to youre strengths!!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:14 am
Good Morning NATION!!! =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 am
man sorry about the violence in your guy’s city
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 am
HEY 4EVA , GOOD MORNING,HOW ARE THINGS IN FLA.?
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 am
not 2 bad
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 am
I am now thoroughly convinced that we SHOULD, in fact, take Ramses Barden (WR Cal Poly) in the 2nd round. First round should go to for a Center and after Barden, we should go D-line, Safety, O-line, Full Back…
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 am
Ahh, proofread schmoofread…
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:49 am
In a nutshell: C,WR,DL,S,OL,FB…it’s a shame because we had Gibril Wilson(S) and Justin Griffith(FB)-the two moves that I have disagreed with this off-season.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:53 am
Combine Wonderlic test results now online. Crabtree a mighty 15, Maclin a 25, Heywood-Bey 11
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:20 am
ExLA,
anyone threaten Vince Young’s record of minus 4 on the wonderlic?
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am
M,
There were some ties with Vince’s record. LOL
Best 10 scores
1. Justin Blalock, G, Texas (41)
2. Anthony Pudewell, TE, Nevada (39)
3. Kody Bliss, PK, Auburn (38)
T-4. Jon Cornish, RB, Kansas (37)
T-4. Brandon Harrison, S, Stanford (37)
T-6. Scott Chandler, TE, Iowa (36)
T-6. Daniel Sepulveda, PT, Baylor (36)
T-6. Jared Zabransky, QB, Boise State (36)
9. Jordan Kent, WR, Oregon (35)
10. John Beck, QB, BYU (34)
Worst 10 scores
T-1. David Irons, CB, Auburn (4)
T-1. Bo Smith, S, Weber State (4)
3. Earl Everett, OLB, Florida (5)
T-4. James Jones, WR, San Jose State (9)
T-4. Turk McBride, DT, Tennessee (9)
T-4. Julius Wilson, OT, UAB (9)
T-7. Brandon Mebane, DT, Cal (10)
T-7. Matt Trannon, WR, Michigan State (10)
T-9. Baraka Atkins, DE, Miami (11)
T-9. Alonzo Coleman, RB, Hampton (11)
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
exLA…
where did yo find’em, what is Robiskies number?
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UwFaEOwio
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 am
From SI 2-26-06:
Young scored a disastrous 6 out of 50, retook it and got a 16, that the first test wasn’t graded properly, that his agent inexplicably failed to tell him about this part of the combine, that the first score was legit and the retake was part of an NFL cover-up of its embarrassment at letting the score leak in the first place. Either way, 6 or 16, Young bombed.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:53 am
Can not find Robiske’s # yet. Top score is a 50. The bust Mike Mamula scored a 48.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 am
25 is the average score for quarterbacks and offensive linemen. Other positions average about a 20. A generic breakdown of the scoring looks like this:
50 = highest possible score, superior intelligence
30 = Very bright, you’re shouldn’t be living at home
20 = average intelligence (similar to IQ of 100)
15 = Equivalent to unskilled worker
10 and Below = Moron, barring unique circumstances
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 am
I did a web search using the term 2009 combine wonderlic test results.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 am
If the Raiders are going to be foolish enough to use the 7th pick on Mack (i.e. because they can’t find a trade partner up or down) then they should do the unthinkable and just be late with their first round pick. They don’t go to the podium to select Mack until number 18 or 19. At least this way they get their guy but without paying pick #7 money. However, I find it hard to believe they couldn’t find someone to give something of value for the number 7 pick.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Good morning nation.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 am
im hoping we draft crabtree, bad foot or not…its probably not that bad.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
well I still like Brian Cushing…
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 am
cushing overrated, like archuleta, stay away from cushing,..hes a 4th rounder in reality, but false hype has made him a 1st rounder.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:06 am
Post647 was Blackholepriest.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Crabtree looks like an NFL WR, Maclin looks like Desmond Howard. WE have JLH, we don’t need Maclin. He’s an all purpose guy…and we got returners and RB’s coming out the yin-yang. However, if you think there will still be a # 1 type WR in the 2nd , then draft o-line in 1st. But i really don’t know if the talent will be there? the FACT is we don’t have a real # 1 WR or even a # 2. who is JR throwing too? Walker? are you crazy? that glass figurine , drew carter? no way. JLH is good 3rd. Chaz Schilens just doesn’t have that go-and-get-it thing…he catches balls when he’s wide open and it’s right between the numbers…..that said…i am thinking Crabtree…6 foot 1 and all.
April 28th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Terance Mathis…
It’s better for the Raiders if the Broncos are true to their public stance that they want to k [...]…