Raiders’ Green arrested
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, March 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 am in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders offensive tackle Cornell Green was arrested following a domestic incident in his home town.
Green has been the Raiders starting tackle for past two seasons.
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March 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 am
at least he didn’t run over a pedestrian
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
1st
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
crud
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 am
who is green?
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am
better draft an offensive linemen now, green will be suspended,…hey hes not that good anyway.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am
good news…sounds like he was worried about getting cut lol…
now back to the future
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
Cornell – did he beat his wife?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 am
—”Raiders OT Cornell Green was reportedly arrested Saturday and charged with Aggravated Battery/Domestic Violence. Green allegedly destroyed property and physically assaulted the mother of his two children after a heated argument. The NFL is sure to look into the matter, but Green should be safe from suspension with no history of legal problems.”—
Jerry you should have added the last part as well, step up!
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 am
Hey 408!
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 am
408…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UwFaEOwio
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 am
Hows everyones bracket?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 am
Hey LMN do Americans blog on European football websites?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Submitted within each contract of any Oakland Raider should be this clause: Stay out of the state of Florida.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am
At No7 the Raiders draft Andre ‘Big Rig’ Smith.
We don’t need no Green turnstile.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 am
Morning LMN…. man the wasted a whole bottle of Jack in the beginning of that video..
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am
I personally think we need to go after Shaun Rogers by giving up our third round pick his impact will be seen immediately and our sack avg will rise due to fact he commands double team. I seriously think we should not out think our needs if we stop the run we need to put points on the board that will happen if we draft Crantree who has a legit hands and people compare him to Andre Johnson
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 am
wow the raiders are looking at de.maybe dt is next.
The Raiders admitted their desire to add a defensive end to the mix by working out veteran Ebenezer Ekuban in recent days.
An impressive performance by University of Cincinnati defensive end Connor Barwin at his Pro Day workout just might have ended Oakland’s quest to go the veteran route.
Barwin clocked a 4.47 in the 40-yard dash, according to Ed Thompson of Scout.com. This opened plenty of eyes of the numerous pro scouts in attendance because the time bettered his Scouting Combine time by .19.
Barwin is a converted tight end. That bears noting because current Raiders defensive end Trevor Scott made a similar conversion during his collegiate career at Buffalo.
The Raiders selected Scott last year, and he tied for the team lead with five sacks. Barwin recorded 11 sacks and 14 1/2 tackles for losses last season.
A Raiders official said the Raiders intend to bring in Barwin for a private workout. Numerous teams already have done so with Barwin, though not all project him as a defensive end.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:25 am
send green to dallas.. he has what they want.. an arrest record.. he will fit right in with them
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
P.S. i cant wait for march madness to end.. itz a complete waiste of time.. lets get back to whats important.. FOOTBALL.. i hope Obama invests more time and energy in fixing the economy as he has in his frickin brackets… PFFFFT
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am
Makes no sense blowing a high pick on another lightweight DE. We already have Scott and Gunheim to back up Burgess. What we need is another runstopper to spare Richardson.
Much rather we found a decent MLB to replace Morrison.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 am
Greene needs to go. I can’t stand wife beaters. can’t woop anyone on the field.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 am
LMN… Me likey red heads..
weird I cant read the browser
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 am
With the 7th selection of the NFL draft the Raiders select Andre Smith
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 am
Yo yoda.
Whats the betting she mentioned the rising cost of childcare as Green walked out the door.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 am
LMN do Americans blog on European football websites?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 am
theherbstwind Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Submitted within each contract of any Oakland Raider should be this clause: Stay out of the state of Florida.
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And Nevada
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 am
The Al is going offense, #7 will be a w.r., #40
a center. What about Safety and middle linebacker,
this D-line is overated…
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 am
That kid might not be a bad idea if he is there in the 3rd. A trade down could get us Mack, Barwin, and Robinski by rd 2.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
LMN sid she give ya a piece…
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Could go DE and Everette Brown with the 7th…
Wonder if Burgess can stay healthy and grab double digit sacks in his contract year?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am
I listen to all music Hip hop and Metal are my faves tho…
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am
*RRRRRRrrrrr* yummi =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 am
Read an article on TE Darrell Strong.
Kid had some probs early, but shows great potential. Hope he steps up in 09′…
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 am
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_11967257
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 am
so green is probably just gonna get probation.. still aint cool beating on your mothers children tho…
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 am
cut green now he aint anygood he is to old to be a stater.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:46 am
100,000 battered women in the Bay Area and I have been eating mine plain all this time.
Green was a turnstile the sucked more than Vietnamese whore during the war.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 am
Hahahahahaha . . .Like I been say’n chil’ren, if linemen aren’t actually on the field playing football, they’re either in prison, awaiing sentencing, being booked, or in the process of creating a need for a police officer, as in beating the hell out of a wife or girlfriend. Running backs go for the easy stuff, like knocing over 7 – elevens, purse snatching, or swiping the tin cups from winos stroking their cigarbox geetars for alms. Go Raiders! Anywhere!
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 am
LOL # 37
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am
Nnamdi21..
yeah, I’ve been thinking about him too, I wanted us to acquire Robert Royal, but since we didn’t i hope it means CC thinks Strong might be up to some field time =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am
*RRRRRRrrrrr* yummi =)
LMN do Americans blog on the European websites?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
408..
I read an article about an survey on american youngsters, most both female and male considered violence as a must or at least “OK” in a relationship…
when I read that, i just dropped my jaw, because thats very 1950s IMO, and i have hard time believing it, but still!?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 am
http://www.bphc.org/news/press_release_content.asp?id=473
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 am
they should of just shot the piece of crap to permantly paralize him and watch him suffer for the rest of his life in prison.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Ouch”
“Oakland Raiders offensive tackle Cornell Green was arrested and charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon in Tampa, Fla., after beating the mother of his two children with an aluminum mop handle, according to an Associated Press report published in the Tampa Tribune.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
All any woman has to do is SAY that a man attacked her or hit her and the dude is already getting arrested. I like to think that maybe the bitch is a liar and he didn’t do it. Innocent until proven guilty. Remember those Duke lacrosse players? That hooker ought to have to serve out every sentence that those guys would have served upon conviction for trying to ruin their lives.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
408..
I read an article about an survey on american youngsters, most both female and male considered violence as a must or at least “OK” in a relationship…
when I read that, i just dropped my jaw, because thats very 1950s IMO, and i have hard time believing it, but still!?
*RRRRRRrrrrr* yummi =)
LMN do Americans blog on the European websites?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:58 am
i don`t know if barwin classifies as a small de.he was a 255 pound te who get told two weeks before the season began.
Analysis
Positives: Tall with a well-developed upper body. … Physical at the point of attack. … Can get under the offensive tackle’s pads and push him into the quarterback. … Has effective stutter and spin moves. … Relentless as a pass rusher, he also hustles down the line and chases ballcarriers downfield. … Good backfield awareness to knock down passes and keep contain on reverses, run plays and bootlegs. … Uses his hands well to keep blockers away and shed to make tackles. … Stands up on some plays — may fit as a 3-4 rush linebacker. … Very coachable because of his intelligence, work ethic and motor. … A special teams ace since his freshman year; he blocked three punts in 2008. … Played power forward for the Bearcats’ basketball team for two seasons as a walk-on.
Negatives: A bit tight in the hips, is not smooth changing direction or handling coverage in the flat. … Is not a quick-twitch athlete. … Although he showed some explosiveness and suddenness off the edge, NFL tackles will be more difficult to beat. … Inexperienced on defense, played only one season; must continue working on his pass-rushing techniques.
Copyright NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am
Patch Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Ouch”
“Oakland Raiders offensive tackle Cornell Green was arrested and charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon in Tampa, Fla., after beating the mother of his two children with an aluminum mop handle, according to an Associated Press report published in the Tampa Tribune.”
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B!T#H!!!! i told you to mop this dam room again!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
My guess is that many of us who communicate here have at some time in our lives been involved in a relationship with someone who drives us crazy. But unless the mother of his children was swinging a cleaver at his head or threatening him or the kids with a gun, well Cornell, there are no excuses. Disgusting.
LMN,
stats show that incidents of domestic violence occur every couple of seconds in this country.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 am
Maybe she told him that mopping floors was the only job he’d get when Big Andre swept him off the roster. And ‘I won’t take no drop in my paycheck Mop Boy!!’
Smack.
Not sure how an aluminium mop handle qualifies as a deadly weapon. Not exactly an AK47.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 am
i wonder what D-fence we are running this coming year
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
Darkside. The Tampa Mop Defence?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 am
Everybody is screaming for us to draft Smith now because of Green getting arrested. No.1, Green lost his job when we signed Barnes,so who cares. 2, what about the “promise” to Barnes that we wouldn’t draft a tackle first? Everyone seems to have either forgotten about that or doesn’t want to believe it for some reason. I think we SHOULD get Crabtree, and I think we WILL get Maclin. If we did burn Barnes on the “promise” then I think I would rather have Oher than A Smith anyways, due to him showing up to the combine out of shape. That should have been the most imprtant time of his life, and he put zero effort into it. Oher can be had later in the 1st too, so the best thing to do would be to trade down or draft Crabtree, but Al will most likely draft Maclin for reasons best known to himself.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 am
# M Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
LMN,
stats show that incidents of domestic violence occur every couple of seconds in this country.
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its a big country so there is enough families to take stats from, but still, its very scary..
here we have been thumped in our head, no matter if the girl aims at you with an uzi , you simply cant hit them, and hard core rockers beat up, women-beaters, when they get to jail…
I find it very scary, and rather concerning… but hey, its not upto me, but had i been GM, i would fire players “for cause” if one of my players hit a woman, its called selfrestraint, i simply would add it into the contract…
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
Lombardi says Davis wont draft a WR at 7. Both he and Mayock think Al will take an OT and both pick Andre Smith. Lombardi is a clown but Mayock is no fool.
Too many good WRs available in the 2nd to waste the 7 pick.
And Barnes and his agent and Cable have all trashed the ‘promise’ rumor.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 am
# M Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
LMN,
stats show that incidents of domestic violence occur every couple of seconds in this country.
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its a big country so there is enough families to take stats from, but still, its very scary..
here we have been thumped in our head, no matter if the girl aims at you with an uzi , you simply cant hit them, and hard core rockers beat up, women-beaters, when they get to jail…
I find it very scary, and rather concerning… but hey, its not upto me, but had i been GM, i would fire players “for cause” if one of my players hit a woman, its called selfrestraint, i simply would add it into the contract…
LMN do Americans post on European football blogs?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
LMN,
Fabian didn’t last too long around here after his domestic episode last year.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
He cant block anyone on the field…..so he goes home to beat up his wife during the off season and realizes the she can beat his azz so he resorts to using a mop handle. Man I cant wait to see what kind of funny picture gets posted on Profootballtalk web site.
Did you guys see the one with Micheal Jackson hanging baby Cutler over the balcony?
http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/media/pic-of-the-day/
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Again, if Khalif is merely a stopgap or even a complete failure, his one year minimal contract does little harm to the Raiders.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
This is our receiver right here. Look at his speed and size. Quality is a little off though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3w92pPUDL8
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
M…
true, forgot that.. and I think Al will drop Green now, one thing about Al is he often does the morale thing in things like that, he learned that from his wife…
if we drafting a tackle we might as well let green go, its not like he is hot commodity =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 am
s&b,
you love chaz schillens.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
This si from Porfootballtalk
“Green was reportedly arrested while waiting to board an airplane to Oakland on Saturday. The 32-year-old former Tampa Bay Buccaneers lineman is being held without bail, according to jail records.
According to police, Green allegedly ”slammed” Teriyonal Flowers against a wall before hitting her with the mop handle at least once on the right arm at their home in Tampa.
Green left the scene following the domestic incident, but police became aware of his plans to catch a flight and arrested him at Tampa International Airport.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
M…
true, forgot that.. and I think Al will drop Green now, one thing about Al is he often does the morale thing in things like that, he learned that from his wife…
if we drafting a tackle we might as well let green go, its not like he is hot commodity =)
LMN do Americans post on European football blogs?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
HBO.com: Video Player
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
If Cornell lasts one can imagine him lining up at tackle during any upcoming game and the opposing DE will ask him, “Dude, did ya bring that mop handle with ya, ’cause there’s no way you’re stoppin’ me without it”.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
The old beat your wife then run out of town real fast routine.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
67 LMAO
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
is there an echo in here or what?? LOL
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 am
SnB666…
yeah, gotta love his speed, Do you think we are set at WR?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 am
Soccer sucks.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
is there an echo in here or what?? LOL
LMN do Americans go to European football blogs and post?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 am
Rella….
based on the irish,italians and south americans ,that live in america today…its a dumb question….
hope i cleared that one up 4 ya
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am
Check out Teriyonal Flowers
https://envnewyork.com/plussizemodelsearch/index.php?do=rate&act=profile&op=mibuddies&id=76
She got a butt like one of them OLBs that run past Green most Sundays.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 am
JERRY MCDONALD, MY APOLOGIES IN PRIOR THREAD FOR MAKING LIGHT OF POLICE LOSING THEIR LIVES,…IM STILL UPSET ABOUT AN INNOCENT KID GETTING MURDERED BY BART COPS, BUT I SHOULDNT HAVE LET THAT MAKE ME SORE AT ALL POLICE,…ANYWAY JERRY, SORRY.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 am
Good morning Nation,
I see the topic of the day us women’s rights!!
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but if a woman aimed an Uzi on at me, or any other weapon. I will deffend myself even if she only wants to hit me. No desrespect LMN, but guys in Europe are a little ….
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 am
Chaz Schilens again showing his capability. Big guy that gets free. Again on a play fake. This is our wide receiver.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d8b508
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 am
??? Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 am
Rella….
based on the irish,italians and south americans ,that live in america today…its a dumb question….
hope i cleared that one up 4 ya
Do you know for sure or are you just assuming?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 am
I personally agree with Al I have this theory that Shields is going to be a great pro. He will be next years Bush and surprise everyone. That along with Chaz and JLH pretty good 3 WR set if you ask me.
If Walker ever gets his wheels and his heart back he will still have a hard time getting playing time next year. IMO
Could we use one more…..sure we could but Center is a priority and so is the DL so much more so than WR at this juncture.
Then after that you also have to look at another OL and MLB or Safety before you can start addressing the WR position.
That is my opinion and I am sure its not a popular one.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
What do think LNM are we set at WR?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
blackdeath29 Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:29 am
s&b,
you love chaz schillens.
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I think he’s a player. It would be stupid in my opinion to not give him a chance next year. And drafting a receiver and paying him $30 million when you have a guy that can be as good is bad management
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Nothing bad LMN. I can’t think of the word I’m looking for. More sensetive. Does that make sense LMN, and I really didn’t mean any disrespect.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 am
#75 LMAO did you see her shoe size 10
BAMMER!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
Height: 5-11. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Combine 40 Time: 4.54.
Benchx225: 25. Vertical: .
Projected Round (2009): 2.
All-Pac 10 first-teamer, 82 tackles, 6.5 TFL.
This kid is the smart choice if he is still available when we pick in the 2nd.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Again, when Cable put in the right players:
These Michael Bush highlights from the Bucs game is all I need to see for next year. Some interesting quotes from the announcers:
“Bush is in the backfield as the running back because Fargas has a knee injury and McFadden has an ankle injury”
“Oh there he goes, look at this run, chased by Barber, chased by Buchanon and..he is in for the touchdown! A 67 yard sprint and the Raiders have recaptured the lead. Michael Bush in his 1st NFL season, missing last year with an injury breaking one tackle after another”
“He has taken this game by the throat and squeezed”
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80db1052
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 am
bring in O Pace & D Brooks.
we need some vets, real pros.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 am
I think guys in Europe are more sensetive. There is also a high suicide rate due to that.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Raider O…
absolutely, I was overstating as an example… we dont have many uzi’s around here =) but yeah, we are a bit too much in the other side of the track where as I can understand you are way over on the other side..
My statements isnt about europeans, i have no clue how women are treated, only how we have it here in DK.. but you are right, we have been thumped this way for so many decades that adult men gets beat by their women… obviously thats wrong too, but still if the woman is violent, dont hit back, selfrestraint and legal matters are much better way…
we all know that a woman hitting a man gets less time, than a man hitting a woman, so its just poor decision to hit back or hit in the first place!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 am
s&b i agree with you.cable says you can`t ignore what henderson did the last 3 games.i say the same about schillens and higgins.by the way look for the raiders to draft conner barwin in the 2nd round.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:55 am
#79….justin tv…now will u drop it?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
# braveheartraider Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Price of beer in Denmark is pretty high. Might be a correlation with the suicide rate.
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What??? THIS IS THE LAND OF BEER!!! a beer costs about 1/3 of what large fries costs at McD..
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 am
wtf are some of you talking about? Raiders!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 am
the land of hells angels
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 am
we need Crabtree
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
HA arent they from california?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
blackdeath29 Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 am
s&b i agree with you.cable says you can`t ignore what henderson did the last 3 games.i say the same about schillens and higgins.by the way look for the raiders to draft conner barwin in the 2nd round.
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That’s why this draft is important on not only who they take but who they don’t. If they go pick a wide receiver then Schilens and JLH move to the background. Shields becomes a totally WASTED draft pick and he becomes the Todd Watkins of 2009. Only on the active roster when there is an injury. Let’s face it, Walker is going to be # or #2.
The offense suffered because of coaching/ownership chaos, multiple playcallers, bad personnel decisions and injuries.
Play the young guys and let them develop.
The Raiders biggest problem is there inability to develop players.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
S&B (Give the young guys a chance)
What I love about that video clip is you see Chaz making these great down field blocks.
It seems to me that all of these runs were made on the Right side of the line behind Gallery and I cant see who is playing RT for us I was looking for a mop handle.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
ASLJ..
its arch, idle-time in the NFL, cant you hear the crickets? LOL =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Cable wont wast his time on Walker..
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Gallery plays LG
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
Henderson, Schilens, JLH, Shields, Bush, DMAC on the field next year will equal wins
Sands, Joseph, Gerard Warren….those are the guys to replace in the draft this year.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Shilens might do some damage if he’s playing across from Crabtree..But if he’s the #1 guy he will struggle some.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Listen LMN, I want you to know that I respect all creatures, and as I told you before I enjoy Europe for what it is and what it was. I also like all the GOVT assistance you guys get through high paid Taxes. Your Tax money works for you, not like other countries. Also you guys work less hours per year. Some times LMN I wish I was living in Europe, but Capitilisim is great. IMO lol
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am
i would like to see us get Pace & Brooks… bring in some leadership.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
#107 Thanks…then its a good thing we locked up Carlisle.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am
SilverNblack666 Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
S&B (Give the young guys a chance)
What I love about that video clip is you see Chaz making these great down field blocks.
It seems to me that all of these runs were made on the Right side of the line behind Gallery and I cant see who is playing RT for us I was looking for a mop handle.
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Yeah, Cornell Green (aka mop handle) actually makes some nice blocks there. So does Lawton. Be interesting to see this running game when Oren gets healthy
I also like Michael Bush’s running style. He hits the gap with purpose but runs in control.
Grove also made some good blocks. Imagine what can happen if the Raiders can upgrade the C position in the draft.
Will someone tell Cable and Al Davis that this guy should be the starter!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am
Cable’s a good o-line coach, we’ll be ok there..
i worry about WR..
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
Shilens might do some damage if he’s playing across from Crabtree..But if he’s the #1 guy he will struggle some
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I would feel better getting Crabtree if someone could assure me that it would Javon Walker hitting the bench
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
I could get behind a starting WR roster of:
1. Crabtree
2. Schilens
3. JLH
4. Shields
But this is also the same team that mothballed Bush until the last game, wasted the entire year with Curry and Lelie, and ran with Kwame until it was too late.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Sands, Joseph, Gerard Warren….those are the guys to replace in the draft this year.
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Now you know that we are not going to take 3 DTs in the draft this year. The one guy you obviously have the most problem with is Sands. Ok, I’m with you. Let’s replace Sands in this draft. Can we agree that we can get a solid replacement for Sands in the 3rd or 4th round?
Or do you want to get rid of Warren for Raji, and keep Sands and Joseph?
Careful now, LOL!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Bush should be involved in our offense a lot more. You guys remember Thunder N Ligthning? Bush and DMC with Fargas as backup.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
next years starting O.
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 am
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Sands, Joseph, Gerard Warren….those are the guys to replace in the draft this year.
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Now you know that we are not going to take 3 DTs in the draft this year. The one guy you obviously have the most problem with is Sands. Ok, I’m with you. Let’s replace Sands in this draft. Can we agree that we can get a solid replacement for Sands in the 3rd or 4th round?
Or do you want to get rid of Warren for Raji, and keep Sands and Joseph?
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Draft Raji to replace Warren.
Drop Warren to reserve
Bring in a rookie free agent to push Sands/Joseph
Pick a winner between (Sands/Joseph/Rookie Free Agent)
I am not too much of a fan of relying on 2nd day picks to fill starting roles. The history of that is not very good. Just look at the Shields example. Here is a guy that was drafted in the 4th round and might not ever play a down as a Raider. If Crabtree is drafted, Shields will be on the practice squad.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
i thought i’d get at least a couple comments about #120
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 am
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Bush should be involved in our offense a lot more. You guys remember Thunder N Ligthning? Bush and DMC with Fargas as backup.
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Exactly. It should be Bush and DMAC period.
Fargas is not a better runner than Bush.
And Fargas can’t catch the ball at all.
I like Fargas for his effort and all that stuff. But Bush can be a special player. Remember, it Michael Bush that the league is inquiring the Raiders about for a trade.
In fact, I am still nervous about Bush getting traded. For some reason, I don’t think Cable and Davis like him
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:30 am
she was acting up
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:30 am
That’s exactly it just who is the coon?
I am going to Coonicon 2009 to find out!!
By the way I think Kenny is Misterion???
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
ASLJ…
I dont think OO will start until at least week 4…
I dont like Unger, and I dont like Barnes and lastly i dont like Crabtree =) LOL
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:32 am
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
i thought i’d get at least a couple comments about #120
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I would actually start Michael Bush. I don’t think DMAC is durable enough to be the main guy. Regardless, if Bush spells DMAC in your lineup then the RB is okay.
Crabtree, again, I don’t think we need him, but it would be very important to me that Walker not be the #2 OR #3.
Unger or Wood should be an upgrade over Grove
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 am
LMN, lol.
The best system IMO is no System. ISMs never helped and never will. You have good benefits and more Family structure in Europe, but higher suicide rate, money being kept by families for centuries. In the US, we have more proverty, unemployment, extreme health prices, and our family structure is weak. If the GOVTs do their job and transfer the moner correctly and distribut it with equality, we will all benefit. It’s the Govt’s fault.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
S&B (Give the young guys a chance) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
I could get behind a starting WR roster of:
1. Crabtree
2. Schilens
3. JLH
4. Shields
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That’s good to hear S&B. I’d take it a step further and add Maclin to that list, if we draft him. He is 15lbs heavier than JLH, so I don’t buy the comparisons. I trust that Cable and Al would have put him through the ringer, and if they decide he is better than anything we have now, I have to trust that.
On the same note, if we cut Warren and drafted Raji, I would get behind that as well.
I’d be surprised as heck to have Kelly’s contract AND the #7 contract at the DT position. Especially since we have to deal with Morrison and the DE position next year. I would be really surprised.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
well if we don’t draft a WR, Walker will start so…
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 am
As for the draft, I say Raji, one of the top 3 OTs, Orakpo, or Crab. In that order. I don’t think Curry will make it pass 3.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 am
S&B..
yeah I would start Bush too, and I would rather have Antoine Caldewell than Unger, Mack or Wood…
McFadden should be used all over the field, as receiver and as back!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 am
That bish deserved all of it! I had to give her an attitude adjustment on top of her head. She went wild when I told her I want them fake titties I bought her back!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 am
Raider O, post 121, couldnt agree more!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:40 am
Scheffler is on the block!! lets hope Eagles pick him up =)
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
I would pass on Raji.
we need a WR alot more than DT.
Kelly is wayyyy over paid.. but, he had a pretty good year if you look at his stats.. and he played in a read & react D.. not his style. plus his injury wasn’t fully healed yet.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:42 am
Draft Raji to replace Warren.
Drop Warren to reserve
Bring in a rookie free agent to push Sands/Joseph
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Talk about some expensive backups! The main complaint now is Sands is over paid. How would that not apply to Warren? And even moreso to Sands as the 4th DT? Warren would not take the paycut that you think he would to stay on as a backup DT here. If Raji is the pick, Warren is gone, and you still have Sands. With the objective being to get rid of Sands, I can’t see Raji as the answer.
I happen to disagree with most of you on Sands, so it would be easy for me to simply dump Warren and replace him with Raji.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 am
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 am
well if we don’t draft a WR, Walker will start so…
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Javon Walker is the fly in the ointment as the receiving corps goes.
Man, all Al had to do was say: Yes, Javon I accept your retirement. Is there anything I can do to help!
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 am
right!!? why didnt that A-hole retire!! Why didn’t Al let him?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
next years starting O.
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
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That would be a helluva lineup. The one question I have is Barnes willing to play RT if he doesn’t win the LT job.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 am
# S&B (Give the young guys a chance) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 am
Man, all Al had to do was say: Yes, Javon I accept your retirement. Is there anything I can do to help!
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I think i still would respect Al, then.
Hiring Hall, even if we all knew before he would be a waste, and Walker as well all made lose repsect, but the final blow was keeping Walker :/
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
if we take Crabtree, Russel will have 3 young recivers who really fight for him,(Shilens & Miller) and he will start to put up the Manning type #s he’s capable of..
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
S&B (Give the young guys a chance) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
I could get behind a starting WR roster of:
1. Crabtree
2. Schilens
3. JLH
4. Shields
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That’s good to hear S&B. I’d take it a step further and add Maclin to that list, if we draft him. He is 15lbs heavier than JLH, so I don’t buy the comparisons. I trust that Cable and Al would have put him through the ringer, and if they decide he is better than anything we have now, I have to trust that.
On the same note, if we cut Warren and drafted Raji, I would get behind that as well.
I’d be surprised as heck to have Kelly’s contract AND the #7 contract at the DT position. Especially since we have to deal with Morrison and the DE position next year. I would be really surprised.
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I wouldn’t worry about the dollars. The Giants just put down a bunch of money on Chris Canti and Rocky Bernard. And they already have two good tackles. Washington put a kings ransom into Albert Haynesworth and Seattle has put some $$$ behind Corey Redding and Colin Cole.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Barnes will play RT.. he’s on a 1 year deal with the last team on his list… he’ll be a good boy.. plus maybe he’ll suprise me and win the LT job..
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 am
S&B..
yeah I would start Bush too, and I would rather have Antoine Caldewell than Unger, Mack or Wood…
McFadden should be used all over the field, as receiver and as back!
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I have a bad feeling that Michael Bush could be on the clock come draft time. Tom Cable just adores Justin Fargas and his do-right style.
I think when Bush soured to playing FB that he lost Cable.
Justin Fargas is a limited running back and just doesn’t add the versitility needed in a starter. IMO
Fargas just isn’t capable of making big plays and his such a liability in the pass game
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:52 am
we cant trade Bush, we don’t have a proven 250 carry guy..we need 3 guys
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am
I would actually start Michael Bush. I don’t think DMAC is durable enough to be the main guy. Regardless, if Bush spells DMAC in your lineup then the RB is okay.
Crabtree, again, I don’t think we need him, but it would be very important to me that Walker not be the #2 OR #3.
Unger or Wood should be an upgrade over Grove
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Now we’re talking ….
This is where Cable’s play-calling is going to be so key. With Bush and Dmac, we should not see the typical I formation as our main set.
We need to see 2 TE sets with a single back.
2 TE sets with Bush and DMac in the backfield. A lot of motion with that set.
Shotgun with Bush and McFadden in the backfield.
Open it up! And Maclin is more explosive than Crabtree. You’re right about Walker not being the 2 or 3, and we need Maclin or Crabtree both make that happen.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
140 yup
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brace yourselves for this potential lineup:
QB: Russell
RB: Fargas
TE: Miller
WR: Walker
WR: Maclin
LT: Barnes
LG: Gallery
C: Wade
RG: Carlisle
RT: Pears
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
but crabtree is a beast
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
If bush is gone, the Raiders are confirmed IDIOTS
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 am
#142 ( puking noises)
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
I think Da Bears get Cutler.. whats up??
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
JHill,
I will defer to Cable should he pick Maclin. But to me, if you are going to go WR at 7 I have to think Crabtree is the better receiver.
While Maclin is an explosive receiver, I think they already have that explosiveness with Schilens, Shields and JLH.
To me what is needed is a reliable possession type of receiver that can be the go-to guy.
Can Maclin fill that role. Can he do what Crabtree does? I don’t have a good feel for that. Everything I have read speaks to his speed, not a lot of raves for route running or hands.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Brace yourselves for this potential lineup:
QB: Russell
RB: Fargas
TE: Miller
WR: Walker
WR: Maclin
LT: Barnes
LG: Gallery
C: Wade
RG: Carlisle
RT: Pears
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Wade and Walker????
What happened in the 2nd rd that we still have Wade starting? Why is Walker starting over Schillens?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
S&B..
if we trade Bush, i dont how i would react, but I think i wouldnt set teh world in action to see raider games anymore, would be my first thought, Ithink :/
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
and the chefs better take a LT cause Cassel is a statue compaird to Thipen
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Jhill…
i think, its an emphasis on POTENTIAL, as in worst case scenario
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Crabtree will fukk shtt up!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Afternoon Nation
S&B (Give the young guys a chance) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brace yourselves for this potential lineup:
QB: Russell
RB: Fargas
TE: Miller
WR: Walker
WR: Maclin
LT: Barnes
LG: Gallery
C: Wade
RG: Carlisle
RT: Pears
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S&B, That IS NOT funny dude.
I’m to young to have a stroke.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
#120 was a way better lineup
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I dont disagree that Crabtree is the better overall player, and that possession guy you talk about. I just see Schillens as that guy with his size, speed, and leaping ability. I see Maclin as a Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne kinda guy. At 185, JLH is the small #3 WR/PR we need.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
fukk, i mean #113
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
JHill,
I’ve been waiting for Bush and DMAC to line up in the backfield for a long-time. I think Bush would block for DMAC, just not as the full-time FB they were trying to get him to play last year.
The other option the Raiders have is to put DMAC at the Wildcat and toss to Bush. They did this a couple of times in the Bills game and it was effective. Confused as to why we didn’t see more of this.
The 20 second clip of the play is right here.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b03fde
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Schillens will strech the field but we need a go to guy like Crabtree.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
i think, its an emphasis on POTENTIAL, as in worst case scenario
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I sure hope so. If Walker ends up beating out Schillens, then that would just validate WR at 7 even more, LOL!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Bush wants to be “the guy”, but he’ll have to wait
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Brace yourselves for this potential lineup:
QB: Russell
RB: Fargas
TE: Miller
WR: Walker
WR: Maclin
LT: Barnes
LG: Gallery
C: Wade
RG: Carlisle
RT: Pears
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Wade and Walker????
What happened in the 2nd rd that we still have Wade starting? Why is Walker starting over Schillens?
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Just sayin……I don’t want this to happen at all.
But tell me that you are 100% confident that there isn’t a possibility of something like this happening.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
If the Raiders go Crabtree or Maclin I’ll get behing it.
I’m in agreement that Chaz has the big play potential.
Crabtree is not a burner, but seems to be very strong with good RAC abilities.
I could envision him making people miss and braeking talckles on his way to the endzone.
Jhill, I think you’re right about Maclin.
I didn’t realize his size.
A larger better version of JLH.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
next years starting O.
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I’m not a big fan of the wildcat. Let JRuss throw the rock and let DMac and Bush pound it out. I don’t want my QB on the sideline, and certainly out trying to run a route. Not big JRuss, LOL!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
we could also use another TE
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I dont disagree that Crabtree is the better overall player, and that possession guy you talk about. I just see Schillens as that guy with his size, speed, and leaping ability. I see Maclin as a Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne kinda guy. At 185, JLH is the small #3 WR/PR we need.
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I hear what you are saying. I also think Schilens can be the guy. I would like to feel more comfortable about Maclin’s:
Route running
Hands
Durability
I think he primarily lined up inside at Mizzourah and I know he’s had some injury issues.
#7 money is a lot. Especially for a receiver. Is he that guy at #7. I think I would like him a lot more at 15 or 16.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Man, OK State is giving Pitt a little run for their money
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Bear Pasco TE out of Fresno St would be a great backup to Miller. Great blocker, good hands, verry old school. 2nd day pic.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
next years starting O.
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
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Let’s get a better RG and I could live with this.
Heavy doses of Bush, JLH in the slot etc…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
maybe wife beater Green at RG?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I hate how people always automatically assume it’s the man’s fault. Maybe she was asking for it. I mean, let’s be honest, sometimes the only way to get a woman to shut up is a slap to the face.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
maybe wife beater Green at RG?
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NFL rules would prohibit his mop handle.
Mabey McQ? Hard to know at this point.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
if we don’t draft a WR at #7 we really wont have a #1 WR next year.. DT we have Kelly.. LT Barnes or Henderson.. But WR nobody.. Nobody even close!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I’m not a big fan of the wildcat. Let JRuss throw the rock and let DMac and Bush pound it out. I don’t want my QB on the sideline, and certainly out trying to run a route. Not big JRuss, LOL!
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That was funny when they threw that pass to JRuss. I think they overthrew him.
But a wildcat (2 or 3 plays) could be interesting with DMAC in Bush back there. I certainly wouldn’t go Dolphin crazy with it.
Both DMAC and Bush can throw the ball too.
Oh, Pitt eliminated that lead pretty darn quick
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
you know she was asking for it..
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I hate how people always automatically assume it’s the man’s fault. Maybe she was asking for it. I mean, let’s be honest, sometimes the only way to get a woman to shut up is a slap to the face.
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No doubt she got under his skin.
Dudes gotta walk away though Kell.
(as she’s runnin her mouth about his no good ass)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I think he primarily lined up inside at Mizzourah and I know he’s had some injury issues.
#7 money is a lot. Especially for a receiver. Is he that guy at #7. I think I would like him a lot more at 15 or 16.
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Didn’t you just say not to worry about the $, LOL!
You don’t put up the numbers he has and have a problem with your hands. And why is there a durability concern? I don’t think he has an injury history, and he is already bona fide WR size at 6′0 198lb.
He won’t get out of the top 10.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Dmac will gain 2200 yards from scrimage next year..
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
But tell me that you are 100% confident that there isn’t a possibility of something like this happening.
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I can’t see Walker starting over Schillens if we draft a WR. If Walker is doing it like that, then we won’t draft a WR at 7.
I can’t see Wade starting. We wouldn’t be flirting with Preston AND looking at Mack. We’ll take a C in the rd 2 or 3 for sure!
I could see Pears at RT.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
# theherbstwind Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Submitted within each contract of any Oakland Raider should be this clause: Stay out of the state of Florida.
^^^^^
Yeah…Florida is terrible…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
we could also use another TE
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I think Strong and Reece are the young guys that are going to get a look there.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
maybe if barnes does not get the lt job he moves to right guard.pears started 32 games at rt in the zone blocking can`t see him not starting.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
next years starting D.
CB Namdi
CB Johnson
SS R Willams
FS Huff
SLB 3rd rounder
WLB Howard
MLB Morisson
RE Burgis
LE Scott
DT Kelly
DT Warren
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Picking Maclin at #7 would be almost as stupid as picking Mack at #7.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
if we don’t draft a WR at #7 we really wont have a #1 WR next year.. DT we have Kelly.. LT Barnes or Henderson.. But WR nobody.. Nobody even close!
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We got holes all over the place and really won’t be able to fix them all at once.
It comes down to how this new coaching staff feels about its players and how they fit in with any scheme changes. Draft day will be fun because its so wide open. Provided there is no draft day trade for Michael Bush!
I can go with any pick at #7 and #40 as long as it fills a gap.
If they go for Raji or Brace, then you know that John Marshall and Cable felt that the need was too big.
I could see a receiver. But I think it will come down to how great they think Crabtree could be. If they see him as the next Michael Irvin, then they should take him…Don’t see Maclin, sorry JHill, because of Arman Shields. He has very similiar height, weight speed measurables.
Could also see them go LT. But I think it will have to be Monroe or J. Smith that falls to 7. Cable could take those athletic LTs and turn them into something special.
If Curry were to fall to 7….The Raiders better jump all over that. Talk about upgrading the SLB
Draft can and probably will go a bunch of directions. One thing I don’t see is a trade down.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
next years starting O.
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I mean, let’s be honest, sometimes the only way to get a woman to shut up is a slap to the face.
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LOL …. Awwww Man!
How about giving her some wood! When a woman is running her mouth, she just wants some attention. Take her to the BR and knock it out right quick. She can’t talk if she’s sleep!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I would rather see them pick Percy Harvin ahead of Maclin.
Harvin is faster and is probably stronger…even though he weighs a little less than Maclin.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Crabtree could be our Steve Smith.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I think he primarily lined up inside at Mizzourah and I know he’s had some injury issues.
#7 money is a lot. Especially for a receiver. Is he that guy at #7. I think I would like him a lot more at 15 or 16.
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Didn’t you just say not to worry about the $, LOL!
You don’t put up the numbers he has and have a problem with your hands. And why is there a durability concern? I don’t think he has an injury history, and he is already bona fide WR size at 6′0 198lb.
He won’t get out of the top 10.
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I did say $$$$. Is Maclin, with some of the issues I mentioned command those type of dollars. Again, if the Raiders draft him, especially at #7 with all the talent that should be there, I will defer to Cable and look forward to seeing a reincarnation of the Greatest Show on Turf.
But I have heard of the issues I mentioned with hands, durability and route running.
If he stays in the top 10 then you will be right on him. I guess I’ve always seen him in the mid to late 1st round.
But he does have talent. I would prefer Crabtree though.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
we almost never trade down, see Seabass.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I mean, let’s be honest, sometimes the only way to get a woman to shut up is a slap to the face.
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LOL …. Awwww Man!
How about giving her some wood! When a woman is running her mouth, she just wants some attention. Take her to the BR and knock it out right quick. She can’t talk if she’s sleep!
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Ah mabey C Green got confused. With the mop handle.
ah nevermind.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Don’t see Maclin, sorry JHill, because of Arman Shields. He has very similiar height, weight speed measurables.
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Now wouldn’t that be great if Shields is good enough to make us not consider Maclin?!?!?!
That would also mean that Crabtree is out!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Like most women, she probably deserved it…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
this thread makes me think we are all bad people.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Cut him!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
If we need a possesion WR, why not sign Matt Jones. He can be had at a good price, he is young, great size and good speed, and it’s another weapon fir JR. I know the Jets and Cowboys are interested in him. I think he can do more for us than a rookie WR.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Shields? … project.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Matt cocain Jones?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
We really need to draft a fullback in the later rounds because Oren O’Neal is NEVER coming back!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Jones is like adding another Shillens..
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I would rather see them pick Percy Harvin ahead of Maclin.
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In some ways, I would to. I think he is a mid first rounder b/c of his size, but WTF do any of these guys know? Mack, Harvin, Maclin … Take the guy YOU want instead of the guy you are supposed to take. You already have a 50% bust chance, so why not go down swinging with your guy?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
oneal is a fragile bitch
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Als’ sagging lower jaw Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
next years starting D.
CB Namdi
CB Johnson
SS R Willams
FS Huff
SLB 3rd rounder
WLB Howard
MLB Morisson
RE Burgis
LE Scott
DT Kelly
DT Warren
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Couple of things:
I would give the safety job to Tyvon Branch and just roll with it. Is Roy Williams that much of an upgrade over Gibril Wilson. The Cowboys cut this guy because he was a liability in coverage. Branch can hit and has good speed and instincts.
Agree with Huff. I think if any player on the 52 man roster will benefit from a change in scheme its Huff. Have the safeties split the field in half and patrol. That’s what Huff did at Texas.
SLB: Hopefully its Jasper Brinkley or Kirk Morrison with the other at MLB. That would be great!
RE: Raiders need a run stopping guy on the strong side. Need to draft someone unless Scott can gain 15 lbs.
DT: You guys know how I feel about this position. Regardless, Warren shouldn’t be the starting NT. They need someone in the draft, trade or free agency.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Why is there so much crap happening down in florida? Its been like that since I can remember.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I’m not saying he is great people, but at 6′6 220 he has size and good speed. He will be a good WR next to JLH and Chaz, with walker there too.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
We should draft the big italiano out of Syracuse… that guys is a truch
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Arman Shields is already our Steve Smith
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
i can`t see maclin at #7.mack at #7 no way.crabtree no 40 time no draft.it`s a o-lineman or d-linemen.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
JHill (We Need A Lot Of Help On Offense!) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Don’t see Maclin, sorry JHill, because of Arman Shields. He has very similiar height, weight speed measurables.
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Now wouldn’t that be great if Shields is good enough to make us not consider Maclin?!?!?!
That would also mean that Crabtree is out!
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Not necessarily would this strike Crabtree of the list. I am guessing that when they line up the measurables, Davis’s question to his scouting department is going to be “How much different is Maclin to my guy Shields that I drafted last yr.?”
Whereas, Crabtree does bring together a different set of skills.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
CUT HIM IMMEDIATELY!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
And Arman too.
Ya Cocaine Jones is like Chaz, but has more experience and can be had cheap.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
204,
Wlliams isn’t an upgrade over Wilson, just way cheaper, both are good against the run shtt against the pass.
but both are better than Branch, who has speed but no instincts..
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Jones will only make more bad news..
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
there are a few probowl players still free, why not make a move?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
My starting D-Lineup…Sorry folks:
CB: Asomugha
CB: Johnson
FS: Huff
SS: Branch
WLB: Howard
MLB: Brinkley
SLB: Morrison
SDE: Jarron Gilbert
DT: Kelly
NT: Raji
WDE: Burgess
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
CB Nnamdi
CB Johnson
FS Huff
SS Branch
OLB Howard
MLB Morrison
OLB Brown
DE Burgess
DT Warren
DT Kelly
DE Scott
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Realistically, this is what we are looking at. We didn’t give Brown a million just to play ST. I don’t have a problem with Burgess playing out his final year in Oakland on the wrong side of the field. We’ll get our true base DE in next year draft, or maybe in the 3rd rd since everyone knows Burgess will be hurt.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
With the recent sigings Green becomes even more expendable, this is an opportunity to send a message…
And even if he was a good starter, which he clearly isn’t, he still should be cut.
He’ll likely get suspended anyway if he isn’t cut, but he has no business on our roster now.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
i like Scott alot.. he was explosive. coaching will make him a player.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I hope we don’t have to start Brown.. he cant shed a block to save his life.. he’s more of a backup MLB
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
is there a SLB or MLB in the 3rd round that could start over Brown??
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
# S&B (Give the young guys a chance) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
blackdeath29 Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:53 am
s&b i agree with you.cable says you can`t ignore what henderson did the last 3 games.i say the same about schillens and higgins.by the way look for the raiders to draft conner barwin in the 2nd round.
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That’s why this draft is important on not only who they take but who they don’t. If they go pick a wide receiver then Schilens and JLH move to the background. Shields becomes a totally WASTED draft pick and he becomes the Todd Watkins of 2009. Only on the active roster when there is an injury. Let’s face it, Walker is going to be # or #2.
The offense suffered because of coaching/ownership chaos, multiple playcallers, bad personnel decisions and injuries.
Play the young guys and let them develop.
The Raiders biggest problem is there inability to develop players.
^^^^^^^
And that exactly is attributable to the lack COACHING CONTINUITY which comes right back to the Owner and so called GM….the old stubborn man Al.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Isaiah Ekejiuba LB 6-4 240 26 5 Virginia
Just don’t understand why he isn’t starting yet and OLB. It seems like he should be able to translate his pro bowl STs play to OLB on 1st and 2nd down.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Yeah, cause ALL good special teamers make great position players. LOL!! Come on dude
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Arman Sheilds?? Puhhhlease! He will never see the feild much less affect draft day decisions. Wow!! Picture me shakn my head at the stupidity
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Sure, sign Matt Jones AND Jerry Porter AND all the other divisive malcontents that ruined the Jags locker room last season. Great ideas!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Rd 1 – OT – Pears and Green are not the answer at RT
Rd 2 – C – Niether is Wade at C
Rd 3 – DE – Need a DE to pair with Scott
Rd 4 – S – Eugene is not a solid b/u plan
Rd 6 – OG – Carlisle’s competition
Rd 7 – DT – Sands’ competition
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Crabtree played QB in highschool. in two seasons at WR he had 3100 yrds and 41 TDs.. he has good size, big hands, long arms, he’s quick, fast, he runs great routs, and catches everything close to him. his skills will translate, and he will help someones O get to the top.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
No WR??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Yeah, cause ALL good special teamers make great position players. LOL!! Come on dude
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Yeah, like the starter Ricky Brown fresh off ST duty.
Wow, posing as Hwnrdr? Laffs!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Henderson or Barnes will move back to RT.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Brown sucks though??
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Just what we need: Matt “Casey” Jones. Cue Jerry Garcia:
“Drvin’ that train, high on Cocaine..”
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# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Arman Sheilds?? Puhhhlease! He will never see the feild much less affect draft day decisions. Wow!! Picture me shakn my head at the stupidity
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Actually Hwnrdr, that was EXACTLY what I heard 1000 times about Michael Bush before last years draft. “He’ll never make it on the field, his career is over, he can’t play, he’s two years removed from the field…..” Arman is going to be a good player for us.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
how could somebody not like m.bush/ juggernaut ? trade him? no sense…
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
next years starters;
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
CB Nnamdi
CB Johnson
FS Huff
SS Branch
OLB Howard
MLB Morrison
OLB Brown
DE Burgess
DT Warren
DT Kelly
DE Scott
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Ricky Brown?? LOL!! Yeah, hes great! Dude, your easily the dumbest poster on here. Arman Shields affecting draft decisions?? LMFAO!! Keep them coming
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
we need a 3rd round LB who can beat out Brown
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
or maybe D Brooks
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
OakGlenn, 2 things
1) How the hell do you pretend to know anything about Shields?
2) What the hell has Bush done? 2 good games, couldnt get carries all year untill injuries and wined about playing FB.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Who the f is Arman Shields?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Shields couldn’t get noticed around OUR WRs.. we are the worst you know?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
next years starters;
QB Russel
RB Macfadden
FB Oneil
WR Crabtree
WR Shilens
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Unger
RG Carlisle
RT Barnes
TE Miller
CB Nnamdi
CB Johnson
FS Huff
SS Branch
OLB Howard
MLB Morrison
OLB Brown
DE Burgess
DT Warren
DT Kelly
DE Scott
find me a better LB & SS and we are set.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Scouts inc has Raiders number 1 need at WR.
But, yeah, you all know more than they do. DT isnt even on their top 5. In order: WR,OT,C,DE,S
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
we need –====– a d.tackle that can hold his gap down /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
we need an outside linebacker that can shed a block /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Yes, you are delusional, but that puts you on par with most Raider fans
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
we need a possession receiver /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
we need a solid left tackle /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
we need a run stuffing safety /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
we need a GOD DAMN general manager /
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Think about this Raider faithful… Crabtree, McFadden and Bush can all run, catch and THROW the rock… Imagine a no huddle 3 headed wildcat for 3-5 play stretches…
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Why would anyone think that the 2-time Biletnikoff Award winner will not be chosen in the first six picks of the upcoming draft? He is clearly the top skill player coming out of college. And no other team is going to want him?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
we need a playbook that includes { genius idea } r.b. screens !! WOW !! will help j.russ get in2 rhythm – and slow pressure
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
# MaddenRaider Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 am
Marley, My pick:
The NFL, it’s game officials, it’s advertising machine, it’s press, and the New England Patriots – 35
New York Giants – 20
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Wrong as usual. And Why would anyone pick the New England patriots unless you are a fatalistic loser?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
a no huddle wildcat ? hmm. u gotta crawl before u walk . dude . our raiders cant even exucute a decent offensive game yet.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
oh yeah , need another defensive end too . man ! da raiders are terrible . but i love em . were winnin it all this year ! whoooooooo.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
ya know why josh mcdaniels doesnt like jay cutlre . him and belicheck believe dat wit a smart q,b. they could make him great. cutler is a country dufus
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
and j.russ is kinda moronic too. he just needs 2 grow up . put da ice down 4 a while and focus on football.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Cutlers’ a country dufus? Pot….kettle
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
OakGlenn, 2 things
1) How the hell do you pretend to know anything about Shields?
2) What the hell has Bush done? 2 good games, couldnt get carries all year untill injuries and wined about playing FB.
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1) What am I pretending to know about Shields?? He has an excellent track record. What is not to like??
2) What has Bush not done? Any time they put him in there he has played well. Remember the KC game? Do you go to games?? He looked like a spectacular talent in the preseason.
Tell me. Where is there any indication these guys won’t be successful pro players?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
what if da team cared as much bout winning as the fans? ,,,
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
im from memphis tennessee , i like southern people . im just statin a truth dat cutler is a red neck – goon . belicheck and his evil minions all think da same way .
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I really think the Raiders are going to wait on a receiver this year. Although I have no problem with a crabtree pick.
Walker is going to be used at the number 1 receiver this year. Like Tommy Kelley, the Raiders are going to hope that he can come back after another year removed from knee surgery. Walker will be used while they evaluate Shields. If Shields outperforms, then he will be eased into the lineup.
Schilens is the number 2 regardless of how the draft goes. He is big, has speed and can block
JLH is the number 3 regardless of the draft.
Crabtree only gets picked if they believe he is the next Michael Irvin AND Tom Cable can talk Davis into picking him
Maclin won’t be the pick. Similiar measurables to Shields.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
OakGlenn,
I am asuming someone is trolling as you with those stupid answers.
1) Track record? WTF does that even mean. Have you ever seen the dude play?
2) 16 games in a season, Bush had 2 good games. Where was he the other 14? Oh yeah, on the bench.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Do you realize just how rediculous you sound even mentioning Arman Shields and his measurables compared to a lock first round pick?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:40 pm
# M Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Why would anyone think that the 2-time Biletnikoff Award winner will not be chosen in the first six picks of the upcoming draft? He is clearly the top skill player coming out of college. And no other team is going to want him?
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A lot of boards have Crabtree as the top talent in the entire draft. Hard to believe he would make it to #7.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
yet he might
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
OakGlenn,
I am asuming someone is trolling as you with those stupid answers.
1) Track record? WTF does that even mean. Have you ever seen the dude play?
2) 16 games in a season, Bush had 2 good games. Where was he the other 14? Oh yeah, on the bench.
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hwnrdr, with all due respects, YOU are coming off as a complete moron. Basically your argument is because the guy has not played, that means he can’t play. so based on your own argument, Crabtree has never seen an NFL field. He probably won’t be any good either. Pull it together man.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Do you realize just how rediculous you sound even mentioning Arman Shields and his measurables compared to a lock first round pick?
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hwnrdr, it’s you that obviously haven’t heard anything about Shields. If you did, you would not be saying that. He is about 10 lbs lighter than Crabtree but about the same size, and possibly faster with tremendous hands. If he wasn’t injured he would have gone much higher. He comes from Div 1aa, which is his big knock, but so did Jerry Rice and Walter Payton. And Terrell Owens.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
The raiders should really insist upon taking a shot at roy williams. I believe the new coaching staff should be in favor of huff because he’d get to stay deep and ball hawk. Having roy back there should help against the run because he doesn’t miss tackles and he hits hard.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Arman Shields- Was a 4th rd pic, from a 1aa school, put on injured reserve all year, only got drafted based on his numbers at the combine. Sounds to me like a typical Raider pick. Which means he will more than likely end up like a typical Raider pick, on the streets in 2 years. For you to act as if the guy has a better than average chance at making an impact on this team is redidiculous. Most of all, YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY! You have no knowledge of him whatsoever to contradict my FACTS.
Mike Bush ONLY played because of injury. Thats it thats all. He whined like a bitch when they asked him to play FB, which makes me seriously question his toughness and leads one to believe he is a “me first” primadonna.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Isnt that what you clowns say about ALL Raider picks?
“If he wasnt injured he would have gone much higher”.
LOL!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
“hwnrdr, with all due respects, YOU are coming off as a complete moron. Basically your argument is because the guy has not played, that means he can’t play. so based on your own argument, Crabtree has never seen an NFL field. He probably won’t be any good either. Pull it together man.”
Couldn’t have said it any better myself.
The draft is the most inexact science there is in all of sports see Ryan Leaf and opposite to that see Tom Brady.
Just because someone goes high in the draft doesn’t mean they will have a great pro career hwnrdr, so stop your whining you come off as a 49er fan
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
if the raiders draft macklin or crabtree thats one more year the dt position is ignored.
2005-anttaj hawthrone 6th round
2000-junior ioane 4th round
1999-deren yancey 6th round
and that`s all they have drafted.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Oakglenn,
I bet you were banging the Johnny Morant drum a few years ago too, huh? Wheres he at these days?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Arman Shields was a 4th round pick because of his injury senior year
He is next years Bush he will surprise why do you find that so hard to believe.
Why do you hate on our players so much like a stupid 49er fan
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
How am I whining? Arman Shields will never play a major role on an NFL team. Mike Bush is a typical Raider Fan crush. A good game or two and all the sudden the dude is headed to Hawaii every year.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Hwnrdr
go back to the 9er blog
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
You know NOTHING about Shields. NOTHING. Youve never seen him play. Wouldnt know him if he walked up and punched you in the face. But you KNOW he is going to be a good player, right? LOL!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Oh yeah. 2 knee injuries in two years…..Pencil him in for the starting lineup!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Arman Shields doesn’t belong in the same conversation as Maclin or Crabtree… Yes, he COULD be better someday, but he’s done nothing to warrant being considered better than a two time Biletnikoff winner
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Oh yeah. What does “Next years Bush mean”. Do you mean he will sit on the bench for 90% of the year and have 2 good games after injuries allow him to see the field? Oooh. Cant wait!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Two knee surgeries, from a Division IAA school, NFL combine hero and plays for the Raiders.
He hasnt got a prayer.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Arman Shields- Was a 4th rd pic, from a 1aa school, put on injured reserve all year, only got drafted based on his numbers at the combine.
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Hwnrdr, this shows you know nothing about what you are talking about. NO ONE gets drafted based on their combine numbers. They are drafted based on their college careers. Their combine numbers will raise or lower that status. Anyone that really follows the game knows that.
I have never seen Arman Shields play. I have seen him on tape, I talked to the entire Richmond coaching staff just two months ago, and they were very high on him. The Raiders did the right thing by letting him get healthy and stronger. Some very good players come out of Richmond including Tim Hightower now the running back on that Super Bowl Zona team. I’ve also never seen Beanie Wells run with the ball. But just because I have never seen him, that doesn’t mean he can’t.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Got an email from Dana Point,…the Raiders got the Thanksgiving game in Dallas!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
hwnrdr,are you a raiders fan?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
And I have it from a very reliable source in Alameda, Bush will be traded the morning of the draft,…I hope not but Im sure it will happen,..Raiders want a 2nd round pick for him but likely will ge a 3rd.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Norco Bob Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
And I have it from a very reliable source in Alameda, Bush will be traded the morning of the draft,…I hope not but Im sure it will happen,..Raiders want a 2nd round pick for him but likely will ge a 3rd.
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don`t think so.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
conner barwin is a real possibility in round two.
The Raiders admitted their desire to add a defensive end to the mix by working out veteran Ebenezer Ekuban in recent days.
An impressive performance by University of Cincinnati defensive end Connor Barwin at his Pro Day workout just might have ended Oakland’s quest to go the veteran route.
Barwin clocked a 4.47 in the 40-yard dash, according to Ed Thompson of Scout.com. This opened plenty of eyes of the numerous pro scouts in attendance because the time bettered his Scouting Combine time by .19.
Barwin is a converted tight end. That bears noting because current Raiders defensive end Trevor Scott made a similar conversion during his collegiate career at Buffalo.
The Raiders selected Scott last year, and he tied for the team lead with five sacks. Barwin recorded 11 sacks and 14 1/2 tackles for losses last season.
A Raiders official said the Raiders intend to bring in Barwin for a private workout. Numerous teams already have done so with Barwin, though not all project him as a defensive end.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
What hwnrdr’s point is have you seen these guys play, and if not, how can you evaluate them?? Well, if you think Bill Polian is out running around watching games of Pierre Garcon the WR they drafted out of Mount Union, you are going to be sadly disappointed. At a certain level, you can tell if guys will have a shot a making it in this league. Ultimately, it is up to the player to show what they have.
Lastly, and I wrote this about a billion times on this blog, there was a reason Bush (and Dmac for that matter) did not see a lot of playing time last year. And it has nothing to do with injuries. Go find it if you are interested. I’m not going to say it again.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Bush is a Davis favorite, he is not going to be traded.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Norco Bob Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
And I have it from a very reliable source in Alameda, Bush will be traded the morning of the draft,…I hope not but Im sure it will happen,..Raiders want a 2nd round pick for him but likely will ge a 3rd.
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don`t think so.
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I don’t know why so many of you think Bush is a lock for this roster. You know McFadden will be the #1 option, and we all know Fargas is going nowhere. We all feel like Rankin is a good back, so it absolutely makes sense to get a 2nd rd pick for Bush. Better than him sitting on the bench.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Kiffin is the reason Bush did not play much because he was willing to fight be converted to a fullback by Kiffin. McFadden was a walking turf toe.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Bush is a lock because Davis wants him and drafted him, end of story.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Bush was a 4th RD pick, and look at him now. There are no sure things in the Draft. You can have a bust who was rated in the top ten, or you can fund a probowler like Colston and Driver in the 7th. Don’t judge a player based on what round be was drafted, but on his talent level.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
conner barwin is a real possibility in round two.
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That would be outstanding, but will he last that long? This dude if flying up draft charts. He’s being projected as a TE, DE, and OLB. If he had a true position, this guy might be a first round pick.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Also WRs Steve Smith and A boldin were 2nd RD picks. Mike Williams and Charles Rogers were 1st RD picks.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Shields went from 7th rder or FA to a 4th based on his combine. Shocker of all shockers it was the Raiders who picked him. Shields has so many things stacked against him its rediculous. You REALLY expect me to believe you talked to the Richmond staff? LOL! Idiot. Oh and lets PRETEND you did talk to them. You mean they actually talked up their own guy? SHOCKING!!!
I would love, love to hear your deep, informed thoughts on why Bush didnt get PT last year. I need a good chuckle.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
RaiderO,
I am looking at Bush, what am I supposed to be seeing?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Cable was the one who tried to make Bush into a FB.
It’s clear that Bush thinks he should be a #1 back in this league, and he is not a happy camper not being on the field. Well he is not going to play ahead of our #4 draft pick. Unless of course DMac gets hurt, but that’s a big IF.
We don’t need to have a commodity like Bush sitting on the bench. Not if we can get a 2nd rd pick for him.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
JHill Bush is the cheap and a Davis favorite, now thats a lock for the roster.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
No it was Kiffin do I need to provide links?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Bush wasnt asked to swithch to FB untill Cable was coach. Good try though.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Bush will be a #1 back in Oakland, McFadden was not drafted to pound the middle.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Yeah, Redneck, give some links.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
307
DMac getting hurt is NOT a big if.
He actually seems injury prone.
We need Bush, especially since we dont have a power blocking fullback.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Bush was a 1st rd lock till be broke his leg, so we took him in the 4th. Now Bush showed that he could run, and that he was a 1st RD talent. All I’m saying is, you can find good WRs in later RDs, ones that come from small schools, and you can find good talent in later rounds. That’s what I mean.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
From Jason Jones Blog:
I initially told him(Tom Cable) no the first time you know? Quote from Michael Bush.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
JHill Bush is the cheap and a Davis favorite, now thats a lock for the roster.
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Under ideal cirsumstances, you would think so. But do you really think Fargas is not going to see the field? Do you really think a healthy DMac is not going to get at least 20 carries a game?
Fargas and Rankin are solid options as #2 and #3 backs. We can afford to trade Bush IF we can get a 2nd rd pick for him. Maybe even a 3rd. I think we may be able to get a starting base DE, LB, or OG in the 3rd round. I’d rather have that player than Bush sitting on the bench.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
First round lock before his senior year? Dont think so.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Or junior year that is
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Bush was a projected top 5 pick; That is truth.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
All you have to do is GOOGLE “Bush to fullback”. Its the second article down. Full story and interview.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/08/25/bush-seeing-time-at-fullback/
Notice how Kiffin is the HC, not Cable.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
When was he projected top 5?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
That’s what I remember Hwnrdr, but I could be mistaken.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Not once has any one questioned Bush’s talent. It’s not about if the guy can play, it’s about him, for whatever reason, being behind McFadden and Fargas on the depth chart.
He had one good game against TB, and only got on the field b/c of injury. To assume that he is now going to be the feature back is a reach.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Kiffin may have started the thinking but Cable enacted it.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
The way I remember it, AD and the Kid from Cal were top 10 picks, and bush was rated the 3rd best back ( before he broke his leg), and was rated as a top 20 talent. Like I said, I could be wrong.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
No way Cable isnt pissed at the dude for being such a bitch about playing FB. Bush is a me first guy, Cable is a team first guy. Those two dont mix.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
No, you may be right, I am saying preseason ranknings dont mean much. I recall USCs DT Fili Moala was the top ranked player going into the 08 season and now he cant even see the first round.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
The Bush trade rumors were real. Where theres smoke theres fire.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Well “technically” you are right Redneck, but what about the very next day’s entry
Michael Bush needn’t worry about morphing into the second coming of Lorenzo Neal. He began getting some reps at fullback Monday, and didn’t seem overly enthused about it when talking to reporters after practice.
He probably would have felt a lot better had Kiffin given him the same speech he gave to reporters Tuesday.
“Michael Bush is a tailback here,” Kiffin said. “We’re going to look at some things in certain personnel to utilize him because he catches the ball so well and he is a bigger tailback. But don’t mistake that. We claimed a fullback. We’ll look for another fullback to compete with this guy or, depending on how this guy does this week, the final waiver cut.
Michael Bush isn’t here to be a fullback. Michael Bush has a chance to be a spectacular tailback in this league and that’s what he’s here to play.”
Luke Lawton practiced for the first time as a Raider, wearing No. 44
http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2008/08/26/grove-gets-the-nod-at-center/
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Find the morning practice quotes where Kiffin said Bush was going to play fullback only to be corrected by Mr. Davis at the afternoon practice. Ouch!
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Hows that red mark on your face from getting slapped so hard??
Bush would have never played with Cable as coach if not for injuries. Thats not even debateable. Bush had 2 good games. KC and TB. KC game was a Kiffin game. Man your getting killed today bro.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Hmm, Aug 25th. Preseason. Matters what happens in preseason.
” Micheal Bush is a tailback here.” said Kiffin. Case closed.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Kiffin wanted to play Fargas and you guys are so stupid you can’t see the facts. What happened? Davis said play the young guys and Bush got the ball.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
S&B (BJ Raji / Tyson Jackson @ 7 because run d is 31st) Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
This is our receiver right here. Look at his speed and size. Quality is a little off though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3w92pPUDL8
WOW talk about seperation.Man S&B myself and “some” other posters in here,you included,could see this from Chaz in the little playing time he got.Yep at the end of the up-coming season Chaz will have 19 starts on his resume.Man he’s gonna be something and I feel we could go into the season with the recievers we have.
AND thanks 4 da link S&B
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
One GAME. He got the ball in ONE GAME you freakn moron.
How do you explain all the DNPs??
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Hwnrdr, the biggest idiot in this blog, have fun Kiffin lover.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Come on dude. Explain the DNPs under Cable.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
You fukkin myopians have no clue. Big daddy Al will tell you what to do and you shall do as he commands. Commitment to Blackouts myopians!
Taste the Chocolate Rain b1tches
oooooooooooooooooooooo taste it
damn myopians
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Anyone here, or anyone in Alameda for that matter who believes that DMc and/or Fargas are durable enough to carry the full load and last a full season in a run-first offense are doing so with a lot of praying involved. I don’t believe it for a second.
M Bush is paid about the same as a special teamer and has the ability to be a feature back. Why would he be traded? Because he wouldn’t play fullback? Hmmm…there is obviously some disconnected logic I am missing in this.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
i kinda agree m but i am hoping 4 dmac to stay healthy
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
For Charger:
Who can’t sell out games???
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5247/is_41_27/ai_n29304582
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Here’s more Charger
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/04/news/top_stories/22_37_151_3_08.txt
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
If the Raiders do trade MBush they damn well better get Beanie Wells to replace him. There are few HB’s capable of what Bush is capable of and that my friends is dominating games.
I said befre the draft last year that I didn’t think DMC could beat out Bush in a fair competition and I still fell that way.
As for Shields his skill set says he has starter ability, now how he developes is another thing but the kid can flat out play………..period
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Ahh, I love when the little Charger girls visit our blog. They’re so cute, getting all riled up at our 3 championships.
That’s compared to their 0 championships.
I’ll say it again so she understands.
RAIDERS 3 Championships
CHARGERS 0 Championships
So cute, that little Charger!
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Chaz will be a good WR in the NFL, depends on his work ethics but he can be great. He has Talent, Size, and speed.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Amen BHP bush is destined for NFL greatness kids huge with great hands quick feet and what did he cost us, please big al you have to let bush/dmac become the most dangerous tandem in the NFL with these two and j-russ,miller,chaz,jlh and according to you your’e boy shields we have the makings of a young and explosive off just get them hogs for the trenches !!
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
JLH showed he has big play abillity, and Cgaz looked much better the last few games if the season. Arman has Talent, but he hasn’t showed a thing in the NFL. Walker is 1 injury away from retirement. We should add another WR, but not draft another young talent with what we have on the roster. Last year was Chaz’s rookie year, and Arman was hurt. Let’s give them a full season, and add another Vet WR and see what happens. If the WRs didn’t do well, then we can draft one next year. Maclin and Crab are no Calvin Johnson.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Thunder and Lightning.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
We need a DT, and you can never have enough Guys on the Oline. I say we should draft Raji, or one if the top 3 OTs. Curry will not make it pass the 3rd.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Warren and TK restructured their deals, so that gives us more room to invest in another DT. IMO. We can draft Raji, and he can help our run D and pass rush. He had 8 sacks as a DT. Not bad. We invested high picks in our Offense the past 3 years, it’s the time to fix our D.
In 07:
1- JR
2- Miller
3- QM ( was cut in camp), Mario, JLH.
4- Bush
In 08:
1- DMC
4- Branch, Arman
We should draft D players in the first 4RD, and draft a Center due to need.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
In 06:
1- Huff
2- Thomas H
3- I can’t remember
4- Bing
So I correct Myself, the last 2 years we drafted O players in high picks. It is time to draft D again.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Raider Draft Board (Hopefully!) – I’m going to stick with the rankings right up until the bowl games started. I’ll let their body of work on the football field determine things moreso than Pro Days and the combine.
Curry
Andre Smith
Crabtree
Eugene Monroe
Jason Smith
Orakpo
Raji
Oher
Maclin
Everett Brown
Michael Johnson
Alex Mack
Take the player at the top of this list when it’s your turn
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
In 06:
1- Huff
2- Thomas H
3- I can’t remember
4- Bing
So I correct Myself, the last 2 years we drafted O players in high picks. It is time to draft D again.
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3 – Paul McQuistan OT
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
06
Michael Huff SS
Thomas Howard OLB
Paul McQuistan G
Darnell Bing LB
Kevin Boothe G
Chris Morris C
Kevin McMahan WR
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
who is bobby garen
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Maclin would be a fine choice.
In fact, had Maclin not turned down the likes of Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame to attend Mizzou, he probably would be a lock as a top 5 pick.
And Maclin won’t even turn 21 until a few days before the season starts, he’s only going to get better.
Here’s something from his pro day, I liked the part about his playing speed and how he looked good in position drills (routes and hands):
“…Attending for the Rams were vice president of player personnel Tony Softli and scout John Mancini.
Funny, despite the mini-obsession by Maclin with his 40 time, it appeared to be of zero concern to the NFL coaches and personnel men in attendance Thursday.
They all know Maclin can run, and run plenty fast by NFL standards. And his playing speed is even more impressive than his running speed.
“When he runs his 40, he runs kind of tight and bound up,” Softli said.
Not so when he’s actually playing football or doing football drills.
“When you watch him run his routes, catching the ball, you get that elongated glide,” Softli said.
“He’s faster running routes and moving than he is in his 40. There’s a playing speed that has to be accounted for. You’re looking for that extra juice, and he has juice.”
Of more importance to the NFL scouts than Maclin’s 40 time is his route running. Playing in a spread offense at Mizzou, he didn’t run a lot of the routes he’ll be called upon to run in the NFL. More specifically, the post patterns, post corner routes, and slants.
“The guys that were here wanted to see him drive down the field and make the different cuts, which he did fine,” said an AFC personnel executive, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
“And those things are things you learn. He’s a bright guy, he’s talented, he can learn those things without any problem.”
“I think everybody was curious about his ’skill’ workout as far as catching and running routes,” Softli said.
“And he looked good. His routes are crisp. Playing only two years in college, he’s still got a lot to learn. But you could see his athleticism and his speed coming through.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
the raiders have pick at least 1 db in every draft since 2000.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Some wonderlic info on the WR’s:
“…Wide receivers: NFL teams would like for receivers’ test scores to be about 18, but several of the top prospects fell below that mark.
Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech scored 15, Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland scored 14, Percy Harvin of Florida scored 12 and Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina scored 11.
Jeremy Maclin of Missouri was outstanding by comparison with a 25 test score…”
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Does any Raider fan living in the Bay Area know why the Raiders banner is torn down in front of the Coliseum? There are 2 pieces still hanging from the sides so it looks to be vandalized. The A’s banner hanging next to it isn’t touched.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm
CNN was just showing black people in Oakland celebrating the police that were killed,..do you feel those people who are all high-fiving each other in the streets of Oakland are people you would like to have as friends?…thank God CNN is showing the entire free world just what is going on in Oakland…black people in the streets of Oakland celebrating cops being killed.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Still Time,..probably vandalism,…but hey its better then being murdered,..and in Oakland, thats a daily event,..actually wouldnt even call it an event,..the civilized people of northern Ca should ask the governer to build a huge cement wall around the city of Oakland,…easily the most disgusting part of California,..as a Raider fan, I pray they pack up and leave,..I will never go to a game in that hell hole.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
m bush 4.4 yds per carry i think thats pretty good
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Some wonderlic info on the WR’s:
“…Wide receivers: NFL teams would like for receivers’ test scores to be about 18, but several of the top prospects fell below that mark.
Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech scored 15, Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland scored 14, Percy Harvin of Florida scored 12 and Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina scored 11.
Jeremy Maclin of Missouri was outstanding by comparison with a 25 test score…”
^^^^^^
What matters is football smarts.
People who actually celebrate the killing of police officers are LOW-LIFE LOSERS who have no integrity and deserve to be shot themselves.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
BH, people who have degrees never have problems with the law? You mean like Bernie Madoff?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Somebody on here answer me this…
If Michael Bush is so good why did he get such little p.t.? Simple question, looking for a simple answer
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I didn’t get any playing time in college or the with the Patriots. Guess I cant play the game.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Somebody on here answer me this…
If Michael Bush is so good why did he get such little p.t.? Simple question, looking for a simple answer
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I got no playing time my first years because I was 2nd behind Bledsoe. Guess I have no future in the league either.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Fargas is the reason that Bush didn’t see enough of the field. Kiffin played Fargas and when Kiffin was removed Cable in his infinite wisdom did the same.
# Hwnrdr Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Somebody on here answer me this…
If Michael Bush is so good why did he get such little p.t.? Simple question, looking for a simple answer
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Hi D,
Can you point out where I called someone names? Thanks..
# Raider D Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
mistabrown, i wouldn’t be calling anyone names if I was you. You the dummass of the blog.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
When you have 2 RBs making a lot of money like DMC and Fargas, it’s hard to cut their playing time for a player that makes the league minimum.Fargas had a big contract (3yrs 14 mil), and DMC was the 4th pick of the 08 draft. Again, any coach in the NFL will tell you, you don’t pay a player all that money to sit on the bench. Bush got his chance when DMC and Fargas got hurt. He showed enough that the raiders asked Fargas to take a pay cut I’d get released. Bush will get a lot more playing time this year.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
mistabrown you are really really dumb. If I say that it is not mistabrown, it’s some idiot, that is not the same as saying mistabrown is an idiot. I know some of these words like “not” are very hard to understand but try. LMFAO
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Ok lets talk football!
With Rob Ryan in Cleveland our defense should be able to finish #31 or higher. The Browns will have 32 sewn up.
Or
Rob was Al’s puppet and The Browns finish in the top 10.
What do you 2 idiots think ?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
mistabrown needs some help. help thinking.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
COMING SOON TO WALMART, THE RAPS OF THE RENOWNED LYRICIST AL DAVIS IN ONE PACKAGE. THIS SPECIAL SET INCLUDES FOOTAGE OF HIS BEST LIVE PERFORMANCE, “THE LANE DIS.” “THE LANE DIS IS SO HOT, YOU’LL BE FIRED!!!!”
PRE ORDERS ARE AVAILABLE.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Hwnrdr, you’re a big tool dude… chill out.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Raiders trade a sixth round pick to Miami for C Satele.
Peace out NATION
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Several news sources including the Miami Herald are reporting that the Raiders just acquired starting tackle from the Miami Dolphins, Samson Satele, for an undisclosed draft pick.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Excuse me. Starting Center, not tackle. Basically the Raiders and Dolphins just swapped Centers.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 am
# MaddenRaider Says:
November 25th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
I’m actually excited about today’s win. We didn’t go out there like it was 1967 and try to throw the ball 40 times and run it 5 times, the way Al Davis likes to.
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Actually in 1967 the Raiders were number one in the league in passing and number three in the league in rushing. That’s a balanced offense. Almost every Succesful Raider team was that way. Even in the 1967 Super Bowl loss they ran the ball over 20 times. Once again, maddenraider just pulls stuff out of his azz and hopes no one knows the difference.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:46 am
Hello
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 am
Goodbye!
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:56 am
Miami just traded Sampson Satele to the Raiders for a draft pick.
They get Grove and we get the center they didn’t want?
I hope he’s back-up.
Target MACK.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/962983.html
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 am
jesus
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 am
Lets hope that not even a third round…
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:19 am
at least he stays healthy…
lets hope its nothin more then a 6th or 7th round pick, for a solid back up
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 am
for a former 2nd rounder? and was drafted in ‘07, cantstandthehaters, i hope you are right.. though i doubt it..
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:39 am
Apparently, this is a 6th round pick.
That means it ain’t a bad deal according to his age + the fact that he don’t have health issues + the fact that he’ll probably be better in the ZBS.
A good move I believe.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 am
LMN, i can see Parcells doin his ol friend Al a favor since they got Grove for free…
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 am
“Green was reportedly arrested while waiting to board an airplane to Oakland on Saturday. The 32-year-old former Tampa Bay Buccaneers lineman is being held without bail, according to jail records.
According to police, Green allegedly ”slammed” Teriyonal Flowers against a wall before hitting her with the mop handle at least once on the right arm at their home in Tampa.
Green left the scene following the domestic incident, but police became aware of his plans to catch a flight and arrested him at Tampa International Airport.”
= TBN
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 am
If we got Satele for a 2nd rounder or less then we got a STEAL!!! Satele is already one of the top 10 Cs in the NFL and better than Mack is likely (operative word) to ever be. Parcells either isn’t as smart as everyone credits him as being or there are scheme concerns with Parcell’s “throwback” (stone age) philosophies.
Our C concerns are over with.
now we can move on to…
OT
WR
DT
DE
LB
S
In that order of significance, ideally, but as long as we at least attempt to address them…
Make no mistake, Satele will be looked back on as one of the highlights of a pretty solid offseason.
STEAL!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 am
DorianGray Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
we need a playbook that includes { genius idea } r.b. screens !! WOW !! will help j.russ get in2 rhythm – and slow pressure
Jmac missed these types of “touch” passes on a consistent bases through-out the 1st 10 or 12 games.In Jmac’s defence he started 2 hit these passes and we can expect Jmac 2 RIP IT UP!!! =)
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:20 am
Sanji
Where are you getting the info that we got Satele for a 6th? Got a thread?
Miami fans seem to think it’s for a 2nd and they’re busy laughing at Al.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:24 am
ya if this is a deal for a 6th or 7th then I will be quite pleased with our most recent addition. If we shipped a 3rd or higher this deal isn’t looking all that great. It should be interesting to see what we gave up. I’m thinking Miami just wanted to move a starting center contract since they just gave another one to Grove. That would likely mean we’re looking at a 6th or 7th. Which isn’t bad.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:31 am
4eva I hope , at the end of the year j-russ was much better on the short dump offs but man that guy has a lazer in the redzone he makes plays!
Was watching the Chaz highlight clips guys turbo and big!
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:36 am
regardless of what we gave up we now have a center on the roster getting paid starter $$. This does make It less likely that we go Mack/Unger in the draft if they are there with our #40 pick. It’s not out of the question just less likely, at least both can play guard because if one of them us picked that’s likely where they’ll play in Oakland to start with.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 am
Info on Samson Santele
SF Chronicle reporting we gave up a 6th rounder for him.
60th overall pick in 2007 draft of of Hawaii.
Signed a 4 yr $2.89 million contract in 2007.
Started at C for Miami as a rookie but reportedly had trouble with large NTs. Can play guard as well and was projected to move to guard in Miami. Definatly more of a ZBS guy than a Parcells mauler.
If all this is accurate the Raiders just made an excellent move adding depth to C and G while inheriting a reasonable contract. Santele will fit in better here than Miami and we still have the flexibility to get a top flight C in the draft. Nice work again Al great offseason.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 am
ENGLANDRAIDER
On most Dolphins forum, fans are complaining on how they will be upset for a 6th rounder but here’s the facts :
- The Dolphins traded away a 7th pick to the Jaguars and want it (or a higher pick) back.
- There’s no way a futur back up center is going to be worth a 4th.
- The Raiders already don’t have any 5th rounder this year.
Considering that, a 6th rounder is the deal.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, WHAT AM I MISSING ON THIS CENTER THING ?MIAMI HAS A CENTER, 4 WHATEVER REASON THEY THINK THEY NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE,THEY SIGN JAKE GROVE, WHO IS ,SHALL WE SAY “SOLID” BUT FAR FROM ALL-PRO. THE RAIDER’S MUST BE SCARED THEY WILL NOT GET A CNTR IN THE DRAFT, PARCELL’S PLAY’D THIS ONE WELL…
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:09 am
GOOD POST 390,WELL SAID / THOUGHT OUT..
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:10 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Wow, I guess the trolls were out this weekend because I haven’t posted anything since Friday morning and I don’t call anyone names on here…but as I scroll up, it looks as though as someone posted as me a few times.
So, with that being said…hopefully everyone here knew that was my troll and ot me!!!!
4eva, Rockstar, LMN, Dirt Lot, Edward Teach…what’s up fellas? Anything new besides Cornell Green? I’ve seen that someone posted about Samson Satele. Is that true?
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
good morning Dirt Lot, 4eva
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
good morning Hwnrdr
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 am
Good Morning Rockstar
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 am
Report: Raiders trade for center
The Raiders traded an undisclosed draft pick for Dolphins center Samson Satele, the Miami Herald reported citing two unnamed sources Sunday night.
Satele, the team’s second-round draft pick in 2007, started all 32 games as a Dolphin but became dispensable when the Dolphins signed former Raiders center Jake Grove earlier this month.
Both players are very similiar in size — both weigh 300 pounds, but Satele is an inch shorter. For all intents and purposes, it looks like the Dolphins got Grove and a pick for Satele.
From the sounds of it, Satele waas nimble enough but apparently stuggled with the big nose tackles of the AFC East. Not what Raider fans want to hear after years of complaining about how Grove was too small and not tough enough to stick to players like San Diego’s Jamal Williams.
So, at first blush, this doesn’t look like a terribly good deal for Oakland if only because they’re the ones giving up a draft pick in the player swap. Given Grove’s knee troubles, time will tell. If the report holds, they’ll at least have addressed the gaping hole at center — and no, John Wade and Chris Morris were not the answer.
More to come at a more decent morning hour …
-David White (SF Chronicle)
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 am
Hakeem Nicks scored an 11 on the Wonderlic test at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
LOL
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:18 am
As much as I love to see my fellow Islanders playing for the Raiders, don’t know if I like this one. I mean, he was okay while blocking for Colt Brennan 2 years ago, but…if we had to give up a pick for him, that wasn’t good…wasn’t good at all!
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 am
HEY HWNDR, 4EVA,ROCKSTAR, L M N. CLICKED ON YESTERDAY HWNDR AN NOTICED “YOU” ARGUING WITH ONE OF THE LOCAL’S ABOUT BUSH. KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON RITE AWAY,CLICKED ON FRIDAY NIGHT JUST TO C WHAT WAS GOING ON , TO MY SURPRISE I WAS ALREADY ON, CALLING PEOPLE NAMES ,TALKING CHYT, I ONLY POST WEEKDAY’S EARLY A.M ,VERY FEW TIMES IN THE EVENINGS. I DID SAY GOOD MORNING TO 4EVA YESTERDAY EARLY, IT IS GETTING BAD HWNDR, WHAT CAN WE DO ?
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 am
will Samson Satele play guard or center?
I guess we’ll know if we draft Max Unger in Round 2.
Center is no longer the biggest need.
Wide Receiver, anyone?
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:29 am
Grove started 14 games over the past 2 seasons. He’s 6′4″ 300 lbs with 3 false starts and 3 sacks allowed.
Satele started all 32 games over the past 2 seasons. He’s 6′3″ 300 lbs with 3 false starts and 6 sacks allowed
plus he’s 3 years younger than Grove and has none of the injury issues
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 am
Satele won’t face any DT’s in the AFC West as good as Stroud, Jenkins or Wilfork.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 am
be back later …
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 am
THANK’S ROCKSTAR,,
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 am
So, Dirt Lot, you too? Yeah, that is the one thing that can be distinguished from the real me and whoever trolls as me…I will not call anyone an FN Moron even if it was justified. I am too old for that kind of stuff. Besides, like you, I post sometimes in the evening, but mostly weekdays in the AM. This past weekend, I was in and out pretty much all the time, so I really had no time to be arguing on a blog. I guess, I just hope that registration gets worked in to this blog soon…
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 am
About Satele…hey, he could work out, but the only thing that bothers me is why would we give up a pick and Grove for him? I mean, he was good in June Jones run and shoot offense. He may be nimble enough.
Thanks Rockstar for that info on him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
Most of you thought that Grove sucked. He was injured every year.
Samson is about the same size, same skill set, just younger, cheaper and healthier. If we can get a starting center who was pretty much the same as Grove and was healthy in the sixth round this year we would be happy. We just got it…somebody who is not a bust, but a general ok player.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
We didn’t give up Grove for Samson. Grove went after free agent money that we didn’t want to give him. We got a guy who is the same, just cheaper for a 6th.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 am
I ENJOY THIS BLOG FOR THE DIFFERANT POINT’S OF VIEW,WOULD BE BORING IF EVERYONE THOUGHT THE SAME, I ENJOY WHEN PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME,THE CONVERSATION’S ARE MORE INTERASTING THAT WAY…SORRY EVERY ONE , I STILL THINK WIDE-OUT RD-1 -BEST OL OR DL REST OF DRAFT IMO.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 am
why would we give up a pick and Grove for him?
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Grove wasn’t a part of the trade. that was already a done deal. Miami WAY overpaid Grove. I’m glad Al Davis didn’t match or up that offer.
Look at it this way. We got a young center who has started every game in his NFL career. Dolphins made the playoffs last year and a big part of that was because of their run game and being able to keep Chad Pennington upright. We got this player for a 6th round pick. what a steal! What player in the 6th Round could we have drafted to match this kind of production on Week 1? nobody, especially not at Center. Satele is cheaper, younger & healthier than Grove. I’ll take him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:52 am
LOL. Slash and I are obviously on the same page
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
where is LMN?
I bet he’s angry the Eagles signed FB Leonard Weaver.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 am
Okay, I will go with that. I must have read wrong because I thought that report said that Grove was part of it. I knew that Grove went after fa money, just got thrown off this morning.
Thanks Rockstar and Slash!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 am
WAS IT 4 SURE A 6TH ROUNDER
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
where is LMN?
I bet he’s angry the Eagles signed FB Leonard Weaver.
I know, I saw that this weekend too.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 am
RaiderRockstar…yeaaah man! ha ha
I’m all for this deal, as long as it’s a 6th
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:01 am
WAS IT 4 SURE A 6TH ROUNDER
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rumor has it.
We’re waiting on Jerry Mac, David White, Jason Jones, Raider Beat, PFT, etc. to confirm
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 am
That would be good. What does that mean for the draft now? DL, OL? Or what everybody has us doing, a WR? Suspense building…can’t wait til Draft day!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 am
It’s obvious to me that Cable didn’t think Mack was worth the 7th overall pick after watching him at the pro day. He’s good, but not THAT good type of thing.
I still wouldn’t rule out drafting a Center if Wade and/or Morris aren’t in our future plans. Or if Satele is better suited for guard in the zbs …
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 am
I am now sure that we’re going BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE in the first round. OT, WR or DL
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 am
Best Player Available could be Crabtree if that is how Cable and Co are playing it.
What if we trade back into the first round and mack is still there? You think we will take him then?
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 am
what everybody has us doing, a WR?
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I don’t care what the mock drafts say. Don’t care about Mel Kiper Jr. or Todd McShay. These guys have Al Davis drafting Maclin for speed purposes to stretch the field.
Higgins, Schilens & Shields are all speed guys. We need a possession receiver. a guy to move the chains and catch passes inside the 20. Crabtree has sure hands and is a great route runner. As often as Texas Tech threw the ball, that much is evident.
With Dakota constantly making a good arguement for o-line and S&B constantly making a good arguement for d-line I’m starting to feel like the minority in here wanting Michael Crabtree at #7
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 am
Best Player Available could be Crabtree if that is how Cable and Co are playing it.
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many scouts and coaches say Crabs is the best player in the draft. same people said McFadden was the BPA last year. We got DMC at #4 and if we get Crabs at #7 we should have an explosive offense
Henderson, Barnes & Satele can’t be any worse than Harris, Green & Grove. right guys?
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:18 am
Hopefully that is an upgrade! Only time will tell, though, but if any of those guys don’t work out as planned, i just hope that Cable yanks them sooner than Harris last year. An I agree, we already do have the speedsters, we do need a possesion receiver. I hope that Maclin is not the pick…
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
RaiderRock
Absolutely. My list for our first rounder is
1) Crabtree
2) Best OT
3) Best DL
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 am
Our OL is still week.
Grove = Samson S. (wash)maybe a bit better because of health and price.
Green= Barnes (no real upgrade)
Harris = Henderson (slight upgrade)
It is clear we’re not going C in the 1st 2 rounds so I hope for an OT there.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 am
Green= Pears…no real upgrade.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:29 am
McQ and James Martin…..not in the game.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 am
At first I did not know what to make of thispick. It almost sounded like an “uneven” trade for the Raiders. Until I got to thinking about how much Miama over paid for Grove (Basically same size as Samson Satele). The other positive is Satele has less injuries and was a starter as well. I hope the draft pick was way back in the draft. Now that we have Satele I doubt we draft another Center especially since Satele has shown he can start in the NFL. The other positive is they say Satele is a high character guy and pretty quick on his feet maybe he fits Cable’s ZB System better. Now I think the Raiders are going to draft a WR in round one if Crabtree falls to 7. If not, I would not be in objection to us either trading down in the first round for an additional draft pick. Reason being is I would risk a pick on Heyward-bey late in Rd One over Maclin at 7(to risky). Also Heyward is a bigger target, leaper, and faster. I watched film on him over the weekend and I walked away with a higher opinion of this guy. It may take him a while to get use to the NFl game, but he has the right tools. With the additional pick we can look at drafting a D-Lineman or Safety.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
I would be into trading down for 2 picks and taking Heyward Bey (even with his low Wonderlick) and a good DE who can stop the run.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 am
Ha!
Guess who started the Quinn trade rumor?
Yours truly…
http://www.nfl.com/news
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Nnamdi21 Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 9:45 am
How about…
Cleveland’s DT Shaun Rogers and Brady Quinn for Jay Cutler.
I wonder if this type of deal could happen.
Rogers already wants out of Cleveland. Seems kind of like a problem child, but Denver would automatically up grade its deplorable D line and get an “NFL ready” QB of the future.
Never know…
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March 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
slash Says:
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 am
Green= Pears…no real upgrade.
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True dat. Pears is younger me thinks…
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
yep it appears that center position is partially answerd,we still only have Wade,not the long term and Morris.Still thin but not as much a priority,imo.
Sooo…Now the weak-link of this here chain is the,drum-roll please…That 31st ranked defense vs. da run!!!S&B MUST B besides him-self =)
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
If Crabs is gone by #7 we should take Orakpo or Raji
thats my draft board …
1. Crabtree
2. Orakpo
3. Raji
no way all 3 players are gone
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
What about Hakeem Nicks? I’m srry guys, I haven’t seen anything from the Combine or pro days.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
Nnamdi…was that just a shot in the dark that gained steam? ha ha
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 am
Guess who started the Quinn trade rumor?
Yours truly…
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N21: that Quinn to donks trade rumor started way before 3/21 because I was talking about it last Monday and I wasn’t the first
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 am
What about Hakeem Nicks?
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Hakeem Nicks scored an 11 on the Wonderlic test at the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
LOL
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 am
I know, I seen your post on that, but what does that really mean, though?
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 am
Yalls trippin, thanks for the early word…
I think Satele may be the starting RG if Carlisle continues to slip. Heck we may even cut Coop if McQ comes back strong. But we were thin at guard, and this helps a lot.
Satele is a great athlete with exceptional technique. If we can get Wood or Luigs in round 3, I will feel even better.
Either way, it is nice to be rid of Grove. I was tired of hearing about his knees all season. And I was tired of watching him get trucked on 3rd and long.
Al seems so much smarter with his $$ this year. Does he have new advisors, or is he just ignoring the old ones?
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:52 am
looks like we traded for Sampson Satele, still would like to see a Center drafted on the first day.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
what does that really mean, though?
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it means he’s as dumb as a box of rocks
see Vince Young for example … he scored a 6
A score of 10 is literacy
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 am
Miami actually was pretty happy with Satele. Smart guy, good size, he’s only been in the league for 2 years. Looks good on paper. Real good. I don’t think we gave up too much for him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:56 am
If we can get Wood or Luigs in round 3, I will feel even better.
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BSJ: that would be nice. Who would we cut though? Wade or Morris? Wade is a vet with tons of starting experience. Morris is young and versatile enough to play both guard and center. He can long snap too, but not as well as Condo
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 am
I’m glad we didn’t inherit another Gerard Warren type of contract is this trade for Satele …
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 am
Satelle has started 32 nfl games,in a row,at center.Big Al would be foolish 2 switch him 2 RG unless he still plans 2 take a center in the 1st 2 or 3 rounds,imo.
This is the thickest smoke-screen coming out of Oakland in a long time.Man its WIDE-OPEN AGAIN!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 am
RRS, you cut Morris if Wade has a good camp, and vice versa. I have never been a Morris fan, frankly (he pays a high price in weakness for his athleticism) and would not miss him. Only if McQ washes out post-injury would I keep Morris for guard depth.
As for long snapper, I would be training Jano to snap punts. He’s bigger than Condo, and a pretty good tackler. LOL.
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 am
You know I keep hearing everyone talk about drafting or picking up centers and making them guards, guards making them tackles, tackles making them guards. Does this always work? Is that not what happened to Gallery, which made him a basket case for two or three years. Can we realistically keep switching lineman positions like that and think it will be successful?
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
4eva, Satele played RG for the Fins in the wildcat last year, and was projected at RG in 2009 after they added Grove. He’d be fine there for us. Carlisle is a gamble that we have now hedged against.
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