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Raiders score Thanksgiving, MNF games

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 23rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders will play their first Thanksgiving Day game in 39 years in Dallas against the Cowboys and also will open the season on Monday night with a home game against the San Diego Chargers as the NFL announced its prime time schedule on its Web site.

The last time the Raiders played on Thanksgiving was on Nov. 26, 1970 at Tiger Stadium, when they jumped ahead 14-0 on a pair of touchdown passes from Daryle Lamonica to Fred Biletnikoff but lost 28-14 to the Detroit Lions and quarterback Greg Landry.

The last time they opened at home against San Diego on Monday night was the Art Shell debacle, a 27-0 embarrassment in 2006.

A Monday night opener at home against Denver last season was equally embarrassing, with the Broncos prevailing 41-14.

The opener provides Tom Cable to get the Raiders headed in a direction Shell and Lane Kiffin could not _ with something other than a nationwide face plant before a national television audience.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    RaiderRockstar’s mock draft version 2.0 -

    Round 1: WR Michael Crabtree

    Round 2: DE Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Tyson Jackson, Larry English, Michael Johnson, Robert Ayers, Connor Barwin, Jarron Gilbert

    Round 3: OT Troy Kropog, Fenuki Tupou, Xavier Fulton

    Round 4: DT Sammie Lee Hill, Vance Walker, Terrance Taylor, Terrance Knighton

    Round 7: OLB Anthony Heygood, Kaluka Maiava, Mortty Ivy, Solomon Elimimian

  • RaiderRockstar

    let’s face it. There won’t be 8 DE’s selected in Round 1 after Orakpo. somebody good will fall to Round 2

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    good mock but i would switch crabtree with best available OT and round 3 best available safety since huff plays both fs and ss.

  • RaiderRockstar

    correction ***

    Round 1: WR Michael Crabtree

    Round 2: DE Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Tyson Jackson, Larry English, Michael Johnson, Robert Ayers, Connor Barwin, Jarron Gilbert

    Round 3: SS Louis Delmas, Emanuel Cook, Kevin Ellison, Chip Vaughn, Patrick Chung

    Round 4: DT Sammie Lee Hill, Vance Walker, Terrance Taylor, Terrance Knighton

    Round 7: OLB Anthony Heygood, Kaluka Maiava, Mortty Ivy, Solomon Elimimian

  • RaiderRockstar

    thanks crank. I corrected the SS issue. I noticed that right after I posted …

  • Chris in NY

    # S&B (BJ Raji / Jarron Gilbert @ 7 & 40 to fix 31st run D) Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    This draft will get the Raiders knocking on the door of playoffs this yr.

    1. BJ Raji, DT, Boston College – Run stopper, commands double team
    2. Jarron Gilber, DE, San Jose State – Run stopper athletic
    3. Jasper Brinkley, MLB, South Carolina – Big, fast and hits hard
    4. David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame – 6′2 219 4.46 40
    7. Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian – 4.3 40 for Al Davis

    ———————

    That’s not bad. I’m not that high on Raji at No. 7 but Gilbert-Brinkley in Rounds 2-3 would be nice. I’m a big fan of Phil Loadholt in either 2 or 3 but from Cable’s comments last week about how the team will stick with the same type o-linemen they have for the ZBS and the signings of Pears and Barnes, I’m not really expecting the Raiders to take Loadholt. Cable also added that the “power” element Davis talked about would be more 2 tight end sets (and I suspect more Michael Bush) and not necessarily bigger, more powerful o-linemen. The trade for Satele would seem to support the idea that quick, athletic linemen will be preferred to bigger, road-grading guys.

  • RaiderRockstar

    How about this trade?

    Derrick Burgess, Michael Huff and a 7th Round pick in exchange for Braylon Edwards?

    Browns wanted a 2nd, 5th and Steve Smith from the Giants.

  • RaiderMight

    It’s sucks not having a local news paper at the combine, owners meetings and I am sure the draft. So we have to continue to wait for ESPN or Profootballtalk to post a Raider related story first. I hear Cable spoke an hour ago and no updates anywhere. lol

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    instead of giving all that up for edwards why not bring in marvin harrison and/or amani toomer and use that 7th round pick for depth

  • http://www.raidrs.com EL D Rider

    You guys have been chewing over this draft like a motha.

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    theres nothing else to talk about unless you want to talk about politics baseball or basketball

  • vegas raider

    S &B,

    I think you were a little gracious in your assessment of the OT’s taken. For instance you said Levi Brown-good player. He was moved to RT last year and gave up 11 sacks, the most in the leauge for a RT (3.5 more than Cornell). I would say he is well below average.

    D’Brickashaw is a middle of the pack OT in his third year, was horrible his rookie year, and you give him a “good player”. I’m not buying it, he is nowhere near worthy of the 4th pick in the draft.

    But definately OT’s have panned out better than the WR, just didn’t like your assessment of a few of them.

  • http://www.raidrs.com EL D Rider

    So, everyone in the AFC West is going 3-4, I hear. Satele knows 3-4′s but never played in a ZBS before.

  • darkknight01

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am
    correction ***

    Round 1: WR Michael Crabtree

    Round 2: DE Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Tyson Jackson, Larry English, Michael Johnson, Robert Ayers, Connor Barwin, Jarron Gilbert

    Round 3: SS Louis Delmas, Emanuel Cook, Kevin Ellison, Chip Vaughn, Patrick Chung

    Round 4: DT Sammie Lee Hill, Vance Walker, Terrance Taylor, Terrance Knighton

    Round 7: OLB Anthony Heygood, Kaluka Maiava, Mortty Ivy, Solomon Elimimian

    ^^^^^^
    Most of those guys in Round 2 you listed will not be there. If Robert Ayers falls that far, then something is wrong. Barwin, Gilbert and Johnson have a shot at being there though.

    Taking a Safety in Round 3 would be too early IMO. I would rather see them take a Safety in Round 4.

    I hope when the team conducts interviews of potential draftees, that they will be targeting the TOUGH, STRONG AND NASTY FOOTBALL PLAYERS instead of the 40 time track athlete types.

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    but satele had some good linebackers playing for him in seatle. i don’t know if we have the players to run a 3-4

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    marshall**

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    marshall adjusted his defense whether it was a 4-3 or a 3-4 it depended on the team and situation.

  • http://www.cosmicdanceband.com SilverNBlack666

    Profootballtalk.com

    says….

    “Raiders C Samson Satele said his experience playing against the 3-4 defenses will help in games against the three other teams in the AFC West. [Editor’s note: We agree, as long as being blasted by the nose tackle into the legs of the quarterback counts as “help”.

  • RaiderRockstar

    instead of giving all that up for edwards why not bring in marvin harrison and/or amani toomer and use that 7th round pick for depth

    ***

    Toomer and/or Harrison have little to nothing to offer. Braylon Edwards is a stud (#1 WR)

  • http://www.raidrs.com EL D Rider

    No just saying all our AFC West opponnets are going 3-4
    And our new Center, Satele has experience facing 3-4′s, just not in a ZBS

  • vegas raider

    My draft wish list:

    1) BJ Raji-gotta stop the run some day, seems like the best way to start working on that
    2) Loadholt-perfect RT, great in run game, not buying cast-offs Pears and Barnes as long-term solutions.
    3) Mike Thomas- possession receiver with exceptional hands, 4.4 speed and great collegiate production
    4) Worrell Williams- Athletic enough to push for 3rd LB spot, would help continue excellence in special teams
    6) Frank Summers- play-making FB with hands; Oakland native
    7) Fastest DB on the board

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    what nose tackle plays in the afc west that samson has to worry about?

  • vegas raider

    From Peter King. Harrison is not coming here or maybe anywhere.

    “I keep hearing Marvin Harrison is finished. He’s not being pursued by any teams now, and I think he’ll never play again. He’s too proud to be someone’s third receiver, he doesn’t love the game enough to play third or fourth receiver somewhere, and he has no interest in limping through a season for $3 million plus incentives.”

  • RaiderRockstar

    I hope when the team conducts interviews of potential draftees, that they will be targeting the TOUGH, STRONG AND NASTY FOOTBALL PLAYERS instead of the 40 time track athlete types.

    ***

    couldn’t agree more

  • RaiderRockstar

    what nose tackle plays in the afc west that samson has to worry about?

    ***

    Jamal Williams, but he’s 33 years old

  • http://WWW.CRANK.COM CRANK SMOKER

    i think they should be more worried about how our tackles are going to handle roidmerriman

  • Raider O

    This is MY Draft, get your own S&B. lol

    1- Raji
    2- Gilbert
    3- Bruton/JB
    4- JB/ Bruton

  • http://none I hate the City of Oakhole!

    Dream on fellas. We all know the pick will be Crabtree. It’s Mr. Davis we are talking about here.

  • http://InsideOaklandRaiders CJ Legend 34

    Here is another WR prospect in the last round(s) of the draft. Eron Riley from Duke he is 200 lbs, 6’3″ and ran a 4.38 40 yard dash.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68155&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR

  • RaiderRockstar

    Most of those guys in Round 2 you listed will not be there. If Robert Ayers falls that far, then something is wrong. Barwin, Gilbert and Johnson have a shot at being there though.

    Taking a Safety in Round 3 would be too early IMO. I would rather see them take a Safety in Round 4.

    ***

    dark knight: I don’t think Round 3 is too high for a safety. Branch & Eugene are the holdovers if Huff is really on the trade block. We need competition at both safety spots

    There are about 9 or 10 talented DE’s in this draft class. I can’t imagine all of them will be gone before we’re on the clock in Round 2

  • Chris in NY

    I’d rather have Toomer than Harrison. Big target, great hands, moves the chains, great guy, made a ton of clutch catches in the Giants’ Super Bowl run.

    But if we draft a WR in Rounds 1 or 2 there’s probably not room for either with: Draft Pick, JLH, Schilens, Walker and Shields. Most teams carry only 4 or 5 WRs I believe. We also have DJ Hall, Watkins and a couple other guys on the back burner.

  • Raider O

    Al will pick Bruton If he is there in the 3rd or 4th for sure. IMO Al will not pass on a 6’2 219 Safety that runs a 4.46. No Way.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dream on fellas. We all know the pick will be Crabtree. It’s Mr. Davis we are talking about here.

    ***

    Davis wants to score points. Russell, McFadden & Crabtree would be evidence of that

  • http://InsideOaklandRaiders CJ Legend 34

    If you do not know by now I have been pushing for Crabtree at 7. The reason being there are no free agent WRs out there worth signing and we need a WR that can come out and help us on day one. Now if we were deep at the WR position I would look at taking a lineman OL or DL best available and we need both. Or trading down for an additional pick. With my first round pick I think Heyward-Bey would be a good project WR. I think he has all the tools and possible upside but the system he was in slowed his development (kid should had went to another program). I like Bey over Maclin.

    One thing that is really bothering me about Crabtree and I am not sure why is in his video I never saw him run a WR reverse once or take two steps back behind the line of scrimage and rush for a short 1st down. I guess my concern could be related back to speed.

    Has anyone ever saw Crabtree run a WR reverse?

  • Raider O

    Name one High pick that Al drafted in early rounds, that didn’t run a fast 40?? Even Nnamdi ran a 4.38 & 4.4. Crab runs a 4.55+ . I’m not saying that the 40 Is a way to measure talent, but that’s how Al sees it. No Crab.

  • darkknight01

    Raider O Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:17 am
    Al will pick Bruton If he is there in the 3rd or 4th for sure. IMO Al will not pass on a 6′2 219 Safety that runs a 4.46. No Way.

    ^^^^^^
    Yeah but can Bruton tackle and cover?

  • http://InsideOaklandRaiders CJ Legend 34

    631- Chris I am with you man but the onky problem is all of the guys you just named are suspect. Besides JLH and Schilens who knows what we have. Toomer would be good for 1-2 years but he is not a long term fix. Walker who knows what planet he will be on next year. Shields may be good but I am more concerned about him getting hurt. He was hurt at Richmond on and off. Did not play the majority of his senior year with a busted knee. Did not make it through practice last year busted knee. Watkins does not seem able to get open and hurt. Carter two blew out knees now. DJ Hall, Watkins, Holland. Not consistant man they are practice WRs. Heck Walker is a practice WR as well. : )

  • RaiderRockstar

    CJ Legend 34: I haven’t. Crabs isn’t the fastest guy on the planet. That’s been established

    He’s got great hands and he’s a good route runner. He scores points. He’s a playmaker

    that’s what we need

  • http://contracostatimes NoMoreFargas

    It might be crabtree but if anyone would pass on crabtree for maclin it would be big al, and thats not such a bad thing maclin is far more explosive than crabtree and look at deshanw jackson 62 rec 900+ yrds as a rookie and maclin is 6’0 199 to jackson’s 5’10 17O and just as explosive. Big Al does his own thing and if he feels maclin is the guy than he will draft him.

  • Chris in NY

    I don’t like Bey. No numbers in college. Suspect hands. I think he’s another Troy Williamson/Vernon Davis type physical specimen who isn’t skilled enough at the actual game of football to ever excel. Maclin and Crabtree are much better. I’d rather have Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin and maybe Hakeem Nicks as well over Heyward-Bey.

    It’s a good thing Al is beginning to see what needs to change for the Raiders to be great again. If this were the past, I suspect we’d reach for Heyward-Bey at No. 7 and then trade a boatload to move up from Round 2 to ensure we get Michael Johnson (DE, Georgia Tech). While I could see Al drafting one of those guys in Round 2 if they’re still there (which would be a reasonable spot to take a chance on them) I don’t think he’ll do anything crazy to get them just because of their workout skills.

  • Raider O

    So if Al drafts a WR, he willmist likely draft Maclin or DHB.

    Now Cable who is in Al’s ear this season, which is a good thing. Cable was an O lineman and an OL coach, he loves to run, and run block. He knows how bad his D line is, he used to practice his Oline against them. Remember how will our Oline looked in practice. That’s an indication of how bad the D line was.

  • Raider O

    #636.

    Bruton had 200 tackles in 2 yrs. Also they say at DraftCountdown.com that he is good against the run, and his cover skills need improvement.

  • La Milicia Negra

    # Dakota Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Sorry, I don’t buy it. I can’t stand Al Davis, but I don’t buy into him forcing the defense to play a certain way. I certainly think he has things he wants to see done, but I think D-coordinators have some wiggle room. I think Ryan sucked as a 4-3 DC, but I am actually rooting for the guy to succeed with a 3-4 in Cleveland…even though I trashed him in here.

    Anyhow, just look at how Bresnahan used the LBs from 2000-2003 compared to how Ryan used them. Bresnahan utilized the blitz much more often. Coaching matters.

    Hopefully Marshall will simply be a better 4-3 DC than Ryan ever could be since he was a 3-4 guy coming out of NE.

    It is our only hope.
    ________________________________________________________

    I agree, but I still claim the rights to blame Al if the D still sucks, im NOT on the Marshall bandwagon…

    and im sick of 4-3…

  • darkknight01

    CJ Legend 34 Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am
    If you do not know by now I have been pushing for Crabtree at 7. The reason being there are no free agent WRs out there worth signing and we need a WR that can come out and help us on day one. Now if we were deep at the WR position I would look at taking a lineman OL or DL best available and we need both. Or trading down for an additional pick. With my first round pick I think Heyward-Bey would be a good project WR. I think he has all the tools and possible upside but the system he was in slowed his development (kid should had went to another program). I like Bey over Maclin.

    One thing that is really bothering me about Crabtree and I am not sure why is in his video I never saw him run a WR reverse once or take two steps back behind the line of scrimage and rush for a short 1st down. I guess my concern could be related back to speed.

    Has anyone ever saw Crabtree run a WR reverse?

    ^^^^^^^^
    I prefer Heyward-Bey, Britt and Nicks ahead of Maclin as well.

  • darkknight01

    Raider O Says:
    March 24th, 2009 at 11:35 am
    #636.

    Bruton had 200 tackles in 2 yrs. Also they say at DraftCountdown.com that he is good against the run, and his cover skills need improvement.

    ^^^^^^^
    How could a player like Bruton fall to Round 4 then if he is big and productive and fast? Weird….

  • http://contracostatimes NoMoreFargas

    J-russ,Miller,Bush,Dmac,Chaz,JLH,(Shields??) Crabtree or Maclin would be young dangerous squad, I think they might draft d-line after the first rd because I think they have their C, Barnes vs Henderson with the loser starting at RT.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!

  • darkknight01

    Once again TRADING DOWN from the #7 pick should be a priority in this draft and TARGETING draftees, that they will are TOUGH, STRONG AND NASTY FOOTBALL PLAYERS instead of the 40 time track athlete types will be a huge key this year.

    If the old man drafts 40 yard dash speed guys at positions that are NOT a need…..then once again….the old man would have dropped the ball and set the team back.

  • Chris in NY

    Good point NoMoreFargas,
    Maclin is about 6-0, 200. Same size or bigger than Torry Holt, Tim Brown, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Houshmanzadeh, Greg Jennings, Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes and a ton of other great WRs. People who say Maclin doesn’t have the size to be a No. 1 guy don’t know what they’re talking about.

  • http://InsideOaklandRaiders CJ Legend 34

    This may sound crazy but you know what I think makes Crabtree a good WR besides his vision and strength? It is never talked about among judging WR talent but it means a lot. Crabtree can dance like a running back, the guy has happy feet man. It drives defenders crazy, trying to keep their eyes on his belt to make a tackle. Tim Brown, could dance, shoulders always moving feet always skipping and sliding. Look at the video. This dancing is what helps these guys who run slow 40 times. I can’t explain it, I can just see it on video. Nicks from NC is the same way.

    Now guys like Calvin Johnson, Owens, Moss, Heyward-Bey, Andre Johnson that are long and fast they don’t dance they just get to their spot with quickness and rely on the high ball.

    Maclin is hard to judge because his 40 time has dropped (but to me he is game fast!!!)and he does not dance. He gets to a spot fast but he does not have that power or hght so he is hard to call. I would hate to see him like Ginn out there.

  • http://flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    Bruton is also a lock to attend the pro-bowl as a Special Teams gunner. Straight tore it up at ND on the coverage teams. The knock on Bruton is that he does not have good hands and he isn’t very fluid in coverage. I watched almost every ND game last year and Bruton was constantly making playings on the field, and he looks like a better pro than Zbikowski