How Vick could work with Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 am in Oakland Raiders.
Michael Vick is saying the right things and working his way back to the NFL.
Unless you’re comfortable with the idea of Bruce Gradkowski and Andrew Walter battling it out on the depth chart behind JaMarcus Russell, the Raiders should pursue Vick under the following conditions:
1: That Vick agrees to a one- or two-year contract at a salary near the NFL minimum.
2: That Vick understands he has no chance to be the starting quarterback in 2009 unless Russell is injured.
3: That Vick is agreeable to being used creatively on offense in any way the offensive braintrust of Tom Cable, Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett sees fit.
Having lost two years of his career to dogfighting, and the PETA-driven public outcry which will greet Vick’s return, it’s difficult to imagine an NFL team considering him as a starter.
Unless Vick is considering a job in construction _ maybe he can help build the new 49ers stadium in Santa Clara _ his best bet in getting playing time right away is in the new United Football League.
If he is going to play in the NFL, the Raiders would be an appealing option for a year or two to get his career back on track. Chances are good Cable has already thought of the creative possibilities, having been the line coach with Atlanta when Vick was there.
It’s worth noting that former Falcons such as DeAngelo Hall, Ashley Lelie and Justin Griffith all swore by Vick in terms of being a good teammate.
Vick is going to need to join a team which is willing to withstand the criticism of bringing him aboard. Few teams shield their players from the media better than Oakland, and owner Al Davis has a track record of giving second chances.
As sick and disgusting as Vick’s dogfighting enterprise was, he has served 23 months in prison. If Leonard Little can play in the NFL and Pacman Jones can get repeated chances, it’s hard to make a case for keeping out Vick.
Coming to the Raiders would benefit Vick by uniting him with Hackett, considered an excellent teacher of quarterback fundamentals. Any hope Vick has of becoming a more conventional quarterback as he enters his 30s and loses some of his blinding speed rests with improving his passing skill and ability to execute an offense.
While polishing those abilities, Vick, assuming he is as blindingly fast and stunningly athletic as ever, could become a potent part-time weapon. He could line up as a Wildcat quarterback in place of Russell, play in the same backfield with Russell in trick spread formations, or in myriad offensive sets that would include the likes of Darren McFadden, Michael Bush and Johnnie Lee Higgins.
Vick would create a run-pass threat that would have to be accounted for defensively. You’ve got Russell taking the snap, with Vick a few steps to his right and McFadden close by or in the slot, with Higgins split wide.
Now what?
In the event that Russell were to be injured, Vick would be a potentially explosive option as a backup quarterback. If he’s not far enough along in that regard after missing two years, then either Walter, Gradkowski or a player yet to be added to the roster could step in, with Vick retaining his roles in other areas.
If Vick is of a mind to come in and compete for a job as a starter instantly and is looking for big money, Oakland is not the place for him.
But if Vick is looking for a way to get back in the game, shake off the rust and do it with an organization that will accept him for who he is, there is no better landing spot.
McFadden named in civil suit
Raiders running back Darren McFadden was added to a civil lawsuit regarding an incident at piano bar which occurred before he was drafted by the organization, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
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April 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
Thanx Jerry!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
Put Vick in the slot!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:01 am
Don’t do it AL!!!!!
Not quite the veteran “mentor” I had in mind for Jamarcus.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
# Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 am
I can’t remember who said it, but one of the talking heads on one of the NFL shows last night said that Ron Turner, the Bears OC, was the HC at Illinois and he turned Cutler down when Cutler wanted to go to Illinois to play QB.
I sense a trade demand coming.
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Dakota, or Ron found out he made the wrong choice back then… who was his QB, then? in stead of cutler that is?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
Besides, he is going to get big bucks to play with Fassel on the Las Vegas UFL team. They will throw more money at him than any NFL team, plus he won’t have to wait to be re-instated.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
LMN,
no MAN bought SEMT Pielstick not Wartsila.
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BSJ..
oh sorry didnt know that..
I just know that when we ship parts out to the ships they come from the same place, both MAN and Wärtsilä…. what do i know, im not a mechanic =)
better leave that to guys that knows their stuff!
we had a ship “stranded” in australia, and they jsut didnt know what was wrong, it costs ~300K per 24 hour a ship isnt in action, so after a week we send down 3 guys, one from Norway, one from England and a Dane, 28 hours later the ship was out of the harbor…
those guys are priceless..
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 am
Vick would be awesome in the slot we could run reverses..
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 am
Could be a decent backup with the abilty to be used in a lot of other ways. Goodbye Walters.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
bouncer trying to sue McFadden WTF??? If your a bouncer you get paid to be involved in fights???
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 am
Chaz ran a 4.38 40 Chaz is our modern day Cliff Branch,imo
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 am
good read Jerry. However, I would only want Vick as a backup QB if we had a veteran mentor for both of them. Somebody like Brad Johnson, Trent Green or Gus Frerotte with no chance of playing. Bruce Gradkowski and Andrew Walter haven’t done one thing since entering the NFL.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 am
yo 4eva… Jerry was bashing on Chaz saying he wasnt durable.. OK he has a point but give the guy a chance…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
repost:
Detroit, St. Louis, Seattle, Cincinnati, Jacksonville could all draft Ron Brace before us in Round 2.
They all need a DT and if they don’t grab BJ Raji in Round 1, Brace would be the next best thing
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Just what we need, a QB that some of us clowns can call for the first time Russell throws a couple of picks.
No way Vick comes here unless he is 100% on board with changing positions from QB to slot WR. Russell is the man here, Al has made that very clear.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:10 am
Jay Cutler will be gun slinging in windy Chicago
plus here is his new WR corps:
Devin Aromashodu
Earl Bennett
John Broussard
Rashied Davis
Brandon Rideau
Devin Hester (does he count?)
yikes!!!
now instead of facing Nnamdi Asomugha twice a year he’ll face Charles Woodson. haha
poor guy …
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:12 am
LMN,
I have an interesting link that you may want to take a look at describing how the British were in fact in Los Alamos and how the US helped them develop their first nukes. Let me know and I will post the link. Otherwise I will drop it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:12 am
When was the last time vick played anything but qb pop warner no way he wouldn’t help us and he has to be able to find a backup qb spot somewhere.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
yo 408 good 2 see you early.Like you hav always said Chaz is da BOMB
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
Man, I don’t check in for a day and there’s all sorts of stuff from JerryMac. Well done.
Guess we now know how BJ got so fat. Uncontrollable munchies.
Vick? Vick?? Vick??? Long as he wouldn’t be QB, but a Slash player…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
RaiderRockstar ,I may be comming around to your way of thinking.Vick has served his time and he would benefit us,I just have a hard time thinking about defenseless animals.But you are right ;he will have served his time
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Dakota..
oh please!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Rockstar,
Like I posted on the prev thread, I’m so happy cutler is gone. Now Denver needs help on offense and defense. LMAO.
No vick plz. We have a good group of guys here, we don’t need him. IMO
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
that should have been oh please do…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
wont read it now, im heading home now, or well im going to the park =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
Rockstar,
I read on some site…”most kitchen appliances could outplay Kyle Orton”… so, in reality the Bears had little to lose and a whiny head case to gain.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Uk/UKOrigin.html
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
I really wanted Cutler to go to a team and flame out. Unfortunately, my Dad is a Bears fan, so now I have to hope Cutler succeeds.
Damn it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
I didn’t get to comment in the previous blog regarding Raji’s positive test. Let me put myself out there in public for those who like this dude. HE WILL BE A BUST THE FIRST YEAR. Now I am not talking about the second or his career, but if we need help right away he is not our man. The reason for my conclusion is looking at his career in Boston college. This guy played with another DT who would end up 2 round or 3 round just cause he didn’t get the number of sucks Raji got. But keep in mind that he blocked at least 2 OL and allowed Raji to shine. I am saying Raji has no talent absolutely not, all I am saying for 7th overall pick, he is a reach to get him especially with his immaturity of coming to the combine to test positive.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
not when da Bears play da Raiders Dakota!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
LMN,
no MAN bought SEMT Pielstick not Wartsila.
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BSJ..
oh sorry didnt know that..
I just know that when we ship parts out to the ships they come from the same place, both MAN and Wärtsilä…. what do i know, im not a mechanic =)
better leave that to guys that knows their stuff!
we had a ship “stranded” in australia, and they jsut didnt know what was wrong, it costs ~300K per 24 hour a ship isnt in action, so after a week we send down 3 guys, one from Norway, one from England and a Dane, 28 hours later the ship was out of the harbor…
those guys are priceless..
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Boy do I know what you mean…our company makes and services the propulsion diesels for the US Navy. They can get very insistent when problems arise…LOL.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
Unfortunately, my Dad is a Bears fan, so now I have to hope Cutler succeeds.
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My Dad is a Bucs fan and I never wanted Charlie Garner or Tim Brown to succeed there!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
Of course not 4eva.
I always want to see my Dad’s teams do well, unless they are up against my teams, lol. His Celtics beat my Lakers last Summer…lucky SOB.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
the Bears had little to lose and a whiny head case to gain
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Kyle Orton is a good player. Maybe not a Pro Bowler like Jay Cutler, but a solid NFL quarterback.
Bears did the same thing to him that most Raider fans want to do to Russell – give him garbage WR’s and say “good luck buddy”
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 am
say no to vick!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 am
Now, if you ask who we should get, I simply say Crabtree if he is available or Magaluga (sorry for the wrong spilling). Imagine if Crabtree wasn’t injured, he would definitely be drafted top 3 picks. And for those suggesting drafting for a proven veteran like Boldin or Ochocinco, let me say it is a wrong decision. We are in a rebuilding stage and so far every big name we brought has failed in our system in fact they would take the money and the moment we lose three games they stop running and catching. Remember Randy Moss!!!! We need our own wide Receiver who can be like Calvin Johnson and that man is Crabtree who was the nations top receiver.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am
Kyle Orton is garbage. he only looked decent compared to Grossman. The Bears could be solid now.
Personally, if the Bears want back in the first round I would trade them our #7 for Lance Briggs. Run defense gets instantly much better.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:32 am
Let’s not even bring the animals issue. He was out of football for 24 months.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 am
If you think Crabtree will be like Calvin Johnson you are sadly mistaken and will be deeply disappointed.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
Not quite the veteran “mentor” I had in mind for Jamarcus.
No vick plz. We have a good group of guys here, we don’t need him
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Vegas & Raider O: you guys are exactly right. Vick isn’t a mentor type and he doesn’t do much for the locker room Cable is trying to put together.
However, looking at it from a playing standpoint… if Russell got hurt, wouldn’t you rather see Vick in the game instead of Walter or Gradkowski. These two clowns give us zero chance to win the game unless we can just run the ball down their throats.
Remember Andrew Walter starting against the Panthers last year? that was ugly!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
I like Briggs too, but we can get him with the 40th.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
Keep Ron Mexico and his STDs, his pot smoking and his animal beating ways far away from Russell and the Raiders. Please.
The guy tried to sneak a water bottle with a secret pot compartment through security at an airport. He is obviously a freakin’ retard.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
Kyle Orton is garbage. he only looked decent compared to Grossman. The Bears could be solid now.
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Orton isn’t as bad as some in here may think …
He had 2972 yards & 18 TD’s plus 3 rushing TD’s last year.
not bad for a run first team like chicago.
Now you give him Marshall, Royal & Scheffler to work with?
plus he has leadership qualities Cutler didn’t possess. Look out!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 am
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:20 am
RaiderDogg…
Alvin Heartblood…
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3408827398_d976b3c2e0_o.jpg
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LOL, sorry, a bit early for me LOL, Alvin Youngblood Hart… in DK last night =)”
LMN
Nice photo. Please tell me that is your woman! I really like the work on her arm, looks incredible.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:38 am
# Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 am
If you think Crabtree will be like Calvin Johnson you are sadly mistaken and will be deeply disappointed.
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thats an assumption and you know what they say about assuming things… athletically he is no calvin johnson but until crabtree steps on the field there is no way you can be sure that he won’t put up numbers like calvin johnson. i still want the raiders to draft a tackle though. draft Andre “The Giant” Smith
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
Dakota, I believe there are those who have concerns of his speed and of course Calvin Johnson is 6′5 239 pounds while Crabtree is 6′3 215 and Johnson has a tremendous leap that we seen in College and Nfl. But here is what I meant, Calvin had no problems being the pleyer in Detroit lions, for god sake they lost 16 games and he still happy to be there. Can you tell me Boldin or Ochocinco will be happy in a losing team. These players want a proven team and would pull out Randy Moss tricks. With that said you are right the Crabtree is not Calvin but he could definitely be an Andre Johnson.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
Dakota #43 – hard to argue against those points!
haha
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:40 am
Dakota
Got the hat on Monday. It will remain in the box it came in until the last possible moment.
Nice photo by the way, is that near your home in SD? Looks incredible.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:41 am
Another interesting part of Vick going back to the NFL is that he will only be able to keep the first 750K of whatever deal he gets (as part of the bankruptsy deal). His motivation wont be money.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Rockstar,
Bro, why do you want vick to be a backup QB?! He hasn’t touched pig skin in 2 yrs. I’ll take walter over vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am
He couldn’t read Defenses when he was playing,and now after being out of football for 2 yrs, you guys want him on the Raiders?!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
Dogg,
That is an area about 30 minutes from where I live. This is were I live:
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles18643.jpg
Wear the hat prod Dogg!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
proud…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
Dakota, I agree with #14. The main reason I wouldnt want him around as well.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
As for those who want Vick, I am pretty sure there is an NFL team that will take Vick as a starting Quarterback, Panthers, Jaguars, Jets, Vikings, Detroit (if they don’t draft a QB), Bucs and Miami if Chad is gone and Henson fails. I am really sure that Vick if he shows he is still athletic enough teams won’t shy away. Forgot those who says his image is tarnished. It is talent that counts and if he proves himself in individual workouts, he will be a starter again if players like Joey Harrington is still in the league so will Vick. If we get him as a backup it is a huge upgrade over the ones we have.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
Morning nation….D-LINEfor’09
I have a stinkin suspision that the donks and the browns are getting ready to make a block-buster deal that would include Anderson/Quinn with Braylon…to the Donks for One of those 1st rounders possibley a later round pick…. as well as injury prone/doper Marshall along with one of thier many RB’s….Rember that pain in our ass….Eddie Royal He will take Marshalls spot they will move Braylon to slot…and have qb comp in camp with Who ever they get form the Stains and orton…..Hmmm this would suck…in my eyes
And I hope KC dsnt end up with Curry and Brace that would be somewhat of a brick wall over there…
D-Line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 am
Will Vick even be reinstated once he is done serving his time? Goodell might make him sit out another year.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 am
He hasn’t touched pig skin in 2 yrs. I’ll take walter over vick.
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Walter has only thrown 57 passes in the past 2 years. 0 TD’s and 3 INT’s. sacked 5 times. career passer rating of 52
Vick is a former 3 time pro bowler. If you could get him for the vet minimum, why not?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am
No one would start him from the get go. He has been out of football for 2 years. He will be a 2nd or 3rd string starting. The only thing i can see is someone giving him the promise to compete.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:53 am
Dakota,
What’s up with the elephant!?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
what the heck is going on in NY??
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
What they consider art out there?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7982313.stm
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hey 408, been a while. How you been?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dakota
30 minutes, very nice. I live about 20 minutes away from some serious Redwoods and the Russian River. There’s some decent fishing, although the lake fishing around here is much more productive. There’s still too many people around here though, even in the redwoods, it’s hard to find solitude like what appears in your 1st photo. I have to head North a while in order to find pristine nature coupled with solitude. Still I can’t complain, I used to live in LA where people don’t even mention the word “Nature”.
On another note, it’s actually a good looking hat. It will look much better once the wife fixes it up, after the season ends with a Raiders Super Bowl victory. Then it will be worn with pride and will appear to be a Raider hat.
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Raider O,
It is actually a Columbian Mammoth. There is a famous dig in Hot Springs that contains the skeletons of Mammoths…it was a tar pit they fell into and couldn’t get out of…has short-faced bear skulls, wooly mammoths and Columbian mammoth remains.
http://www.blackhillstravelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mammoth_site.gif
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
RAIDERMIGHT…
all is well thank you… How bout U? and who do you want in the draft?? I want Mack…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
Vick would be reinstated otherwise it will be first test for the new Players association to declare war against the Nfl. Goodell has no reason for reinstating him as he has served his time and proved to others that he has a plan to change. The pita people wanted him dead just like he killed his dogs and that won’t happen. I also think he would command more than vet minimum simply because there are teams who view Vick just like us in here view him. A talent, former pro bowler who could come in and get first downs simply running and bot legs, thats something many backups can’t do (end up three and out) and especially something 49ers have done hahaha consistently which would suggest knucklehead coach Singletary would take vick in a hurry.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Dogg,
Solitude is not hard to come by in South Dakota, if that is what you are looking for, lol. I visited the Redwood Forest when I was about 14 years old…very cool place.
Glad you found a hat that works for you.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 am
well i dont like the idea of carrying 4 QB’s but if we lose bruce G… and Vick would do all the things asked at a league min why not…We have leaders we dnt need him to lead we need him to follow…could you imagine guys like ASO and Miller…Not to mention Uncle Al mentoring this guy….it could be exciting and cheap to add an exsplosive player like him… then at the league min if he is a probhe gets released with little or no penalty…and his career is over if you cant play in Oak town were can you play……
Oh never mind Jerry Jones is still around huh??? Well his opitions would be limitited that sfor sure!!!
D-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 am
i would take Vick for league minimium. Why not. He would probably be happy to take it and it would be cheaper than the other backups. just as long as it is not to compete with russell and only be his backup. dont need that kind of pressure on russell.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
Hey Dakota off topic…but weee is that Hot Springs you speak of?? is that open to the public?
D-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
Walter knows the playbook, the players, he has been in the NFL for a few years, watched film, and he practiced the last 2 yrs. Vick hasn’t done any of that in 2 yrs.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
Oaklifer,
Hot Springs is in the SW corner of South Dakota. And yes, they do allow tours at the Mammoth Site…costs about $8 a person.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
408, Im doing good. Been real busy at work and at home so havent had much free time to do anything online.
Havent really been keeping track of the draft so dont know the players much.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
Trust me Raider O Walter sucks even when he knows the playbook and watches film. He simply limited as a QB and Vick is a greater athlete and better backup than Walter. I think Bruce G is a better talent than Walter and I think we got him to compete for a back up position with Walter which would suggest that the coaches have no faith on Walter. Walter can’t keep the offense going, Vick can do that and he is proven he can do it with his legs or arm.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
RaiderMight,
You just need to know one name for the Raiders’ draft in 09…ANDRE SMITH.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
Walter knows the playbook, the players, he has been in the NFL for a few years, watched film, and he practiced the last 2 yrs. Vick hasn’t done any of that in 2 yrs.
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true, but even thought he knows the playbook he can’t execute the plays. Plus he’s disgruntled. How many times has he asked to be traded or been placed on the trading block? Cable made Tui the #2 last year over him and we know how much talent Tui has (none)
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
O-line for ‘09
I can deal with that I think Andre the giant will do well..Weller than our currnt tackle situation that is!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
Hey, Vicks career completion percentage 53.8%…Russell’s 53.9%.
lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
Double R,
Good point and signing Vick may mean we could fianally trade walter…well for at least a 5th rounder…maybe 4th if we find a desprate team that loves pac 10 record setting quaterbacks……wait didnt elway go to stanford…and arnt the Donks pretty desprate?!?!?! LOL
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
Dakota
I wouldn’t say the hat “works for me”, I’m still pissed those bastards got one dime of my hard earned money!
As far as solitude goes, it is something that I treasure. My 2 year old son and I go to the Redwoods at least once a week, and he LOVES the river. Kid has no fear.
My wife and I couldn’t see raising a kid in LA or even San Francisco. We chose to live in Sonoma County, about an hour North of SF. There are still many people here but it is so much closer to the amazing redwood groves of Northern California as well as several lakes, rivers and the Pacific.
With all of that being said we are still considering a move out of state. Just looking for less people, more nature and a Kum & Go every couple miles…
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Vick stats:
TD-INT 71–52
Passing yards 11,505
QB Rating 75.7
Rushing yards 3,859
Rushing TDs 21
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
Dakota tell me something. I like Andre too but not in our cut blocking scheme. Our OL is built with speed not power. Being an athletic in shape OL is a requirement just like when we apply for positions that requires certain requirements. How would Andre be good fit in our system if you can explain to me, I might be convinced? Don’t you have doubts that once he gets his money, he would be lazy and unmotivated to flourish. I simply think he played well in Alabama just cause he had to do to get rich but my question is, is he really like Joe Thomas a guy who comes in and becomes a star, I doubt it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
Just heard that USC LB’s Cushing and Matthews tested positive for steroids. I guess that means Cushing will be drafted by the Chargers and Matthews will be drafted by the Patriots.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
thats why I say draft Mack,you know what you are getting
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
I dunno A.Smith is a talent that shouldnt be taken lightly,imo
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
I would be very happy with Andre Smith. That guy is a mauler.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
I think we should get Tank Johnson and cut Sands. He had his chances and he still never proved himself. What is his excuse for last year, not in shape, not focused, what would be this year? I know what I will get from Sands, I don’t know what I will get from Tank and remember he hasn’t had any problems with the cowboys. Atleast I am confident he would give it all and play hard than a soft guy like Sands.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:26 am
SYSTEM OR NOT…If he loses the attitude and gains a work ehic quotes like this make offensive line systems just a small detail….”Considered the best run blocker in college football of the past five years,[1] some experts described him as possibly the most dominating offensive lineman to enter college football since Orlando Pace.[2]
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
The ex-Atlanta Falcons quarterback responded: “If I keep my body in shape, and do the right things, I think I have maybe 10 or 12 more years in my career.” Vick also says he’s optimistic about his chances for reinstatement.
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He turns 29 this year. Let’s say Goodell gives him another year suspension. Turns 30 before the start of next NFL season. 10 more years?
A QB that hasn’t played in 3 years will go until he’s 40 years old? as often as he runs with the football?
extremely doubtful!
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
I also think Warren can play and he can rush the passer so I would keep him over Sand. Kelly needs to know that this is his final chance and if he doesn’t play well we can bench him and allow others to play. Therefore, we need to draft DT in later rounds and sign Tank. Hopefully the new guy can be a Cinderella who would prove himself to play and bench Kelly.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
TruRaider,
As to Andre’s size, he is the same size as Khalif Barnes, About 6′5″ 325 lbs. Yes I do worry that Andre might get his money and run, but there is always a risk with draft picks. You can pick a player like Brayton that had tons of work ethic and waste money on him because he has no skills, or you can invest money in a guy like Andre Smith who has the potential to be great. With this pick, and who is availible, I just don’t think it would be a problem to take a risk on Andre…the upside potential is huge.
If we had the number 1, 2 or 3 pick then I would say no way.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Dakota,
As I remember, you are in RE. How much for an acre ( avg ), top of the hill, nice view, lake or river close, and close to the woods?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
TrueRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
Dakota, I believe there are those who have concerns of his speed and of course Calvin Johnson is 6′5 239 pounds while Crabtree is 6′3 215
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At the combine, Crabtree measured 6′1″ and 215.
His physical stats were college inflated.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 am
vick? why?? we have a wildcat guy…
and i told you dorks Fat Lazy Raji is not the right pick… look at his eyes kids! he’s a bad investment..
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
we need a go to guy for Russel..
Crabtree!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 am
just because someone is a smoke-potter dosent mean he wouldnt be a great football player.Our president was a smoke-potter and it didnt stop him
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 am
Dakota thanks for your reply. I agree with what you said huge potential and that is why I like him. I just hope the Raiders would bring him in and evaluate him ahead of time, see if he minds to sign a contract that pays him the money he is worth as 7th overall pick but also forces him to earn it through playing time. I just think we have our OL coach who can really evaluate talent that fits the blocking scheme. If we draft him that means we got our solid future LT and if not, than that proves our management weren’t sold on him. There is also rumors that Cinn might pick him up before we do.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
Reply to #99. Yeah thats true, but him winning Biletnikoff Award two times is not.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
You guys make great points about Walter, but Still no on vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
the players who under achieve and carry the title doesn’t play hard every down are always pot heads…
we need a solid pick.. no red flags, like floppy pot tits (A Smith) or red chinese eyes (raji)…
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
I say LT and Center are still positions we will draft
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
center is filled..
WR or LT
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Als saggy lower jaw Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
the players who under achieve and carry the title doesn’t play hard every down are always pot heads
That is pure conjecture
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
He also had 34 1/4 inches and a hand span of 9 1/4 inches at the combine which would suggest he has a legit height when he catches the ball. I simply think he is the best talent after Curry and if he falls to number 7 than we can’t pass on him just like last year when Run Dmac fell to us in number 5. Russel, Dmac, Crabtree means we have the future offense for years to come. As far as talent goes, best wide receiver for two years, best running back for two years and strongest arm quarterback for two years. We got weapons.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Our president was a smoke-potter
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that explains a lot
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
109….
I think 90% of every thing written on this blog is…PURE CONJECTURE!!! LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
LOL @ OAKlifer
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
90% of this game is 50% mental
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
just look at their build and you’ll know who will come in and work hard… it’s not Smith or Raji
Crabtree!!!
i really belive that Russel will be great if he’s got good targets again..
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
lol =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
TrueRaider,
Crabtree is an awesome talent but I’m just hoping a LT falls to us in the 7th spot. It’s going to be a real poker game in the 1st round.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Screw Vick. He should spend the rest of his career throwing the ball to Dante Stallworth in the CFL. At least Vick’s poor choices only led to the death of dogs. Stallworth’s bad choices killed a human. Let them both shovel concrete for the rest of their lives.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Raiders should have went after Shaun Cody.
They are weak at DT and the LB are not strong enough to get off blocks, plus they consistently over-pursue plays leaving gaping cutback lanes.
Having some penetrating DT could help close off the cutback lanes as well as provide a decent pass rush.
If the Raiders stay put at the DT position, then look for another long year on defense.
Kelly and Walker should give back their money and get the f out of Oakland.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Just say no to Vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
I just don’t see Vick taking a one- or two-year deal at the minimum. He’s going to want to be paid, and certainly some team will oblige him.
How about SF as a destination? They just want to run the ball anyway. With Vick and Gore they could have two 1,000 yard runners in the backfield together. He’ll only have to thrown one of his inaccurate passes once in a while.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
Dakota,
Are you still here!?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
Desmond Clark, Greg Olsen and Matt Forte are going to have HUGE seasons with Jay Cutler at the helm. Especially if they stick with the scrubs at WR there
Forte had over 1700 all purpose yards and 12 TD’s as a rookie last year
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
No Michael Vick. Don’t know how Russell would react to the pressure, and once Vick loses his speed, I have doubts on his arm.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Raider O Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
Dakota,
As I remember, you are in RE. How much for an acre ( avg ), top of the hill, nice view, lake or river close, and close to the woods?
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I am not in real estate, but I keep my ear to the ground. Land that has a well, septic, electricity and road access in the Hot Springs area is going to run $5K-10K/acre. Deeper into the Black Hills it is going to run $8K-15K/acre. Bare land with no improvements is much cheaper to buy, but very expensive to improve.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
no vick
we should have went after Pace.. have fun winning Chicago!
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Funny stuff right here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrAIL9MlWJY
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Puts too much pressure on Jamarcus. Don’t want him looking over his shoulder
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
Should have Went after Cody, and signed Burnett.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
vick will be slow and worthless… if he gets a shot he’ll get hurt..
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
After his time in prison Vick is probably more qualified to BEND OVER as a center than play QB.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
We should get a veteran Wideout because rookie WR’s do not make a big impact and we can win this year with Denver and KC both rebuilding and LT past his prime. Spend all our picks on D. DT, DE, LB, S with first 4 picks, not necessarily in that order
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Dakota,
is that like Bend Oregon???
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Bring in Vick, at least the Coliseum is a safe haven against PETA.
They’d enter the parking lot and about-face to Berkeley.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Paging Ben Dover.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
I doubt Vick will be reinstated right away. Didn’t Goodell say that his prison time will not count toward suspension time? I suspect he will not be back in the NFL until 2010.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Dakota,
Does it get less expensive when you buy 10 or 20? When you said 8-15 in the Black Hills, is there a river or a lake close by?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
and his wife Eileen Dover
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Vick to the Raiders? I don’t think so. Vick has standards.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
Funny Tomlinson video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0wTZKiFLfk&feature=related
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
LOL 4eva
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
i say trade the 7 pick for a proven reciever like boldin or someone that is going to help out russell i mean you always take a chance on someone panning out.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Vick to the Raiders? I don’t think so. Vick has standards.
…………….
Apparently, your mom didn’t.
(Hope I’m not banned for this!
)
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
Very upset about the gaffe at Buckingham Palace the other day. How could she do something so stupid? You never put your hand on the first lady of the United States. The queen’s lucky she didn’t get shot by secret service.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
Dakota,
I know there is huge lake next to Mount Rushmore, is it close to it?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Surprised that JaMarcus does’t get picketed for his fur coats!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST START MICHAEL BUSH HE IS THE BEST RUNNING BACK WE HAVE.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
Very upset about the gaffe at Buckingham Palace the other day. How could she do something so stupid? You never put your hand on the first lady of the United States. The queen’s lucky she didn’t get shot by secret service.
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Or get a shoe thrown at her! LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
Raider75, why would Michael Vick want to come to the Raiders? Don’t you think he’d want to go to a team that had a chance of winning a Super Bowl within the next decade?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
IM GLAD TO SEE THAT REGISTRATION HAS WORKED SO WELL SO MUCH RAIDER TALK. NOOOOOOOOT
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Dakota,
I’m sorry if I’m asking too many questions, but I don’t know a single person there, and I want (insider information)
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Oh, Exla, the things you’d be saying right now if the blog weren’t moderated…
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
Raider O,
Yes, per acre it gets cheaper if you are buying more land. The problem is, if you want to live by a lake or river, those areas have already been subdivided and it would be difficult to find 10+ acres by a river or lake. You are more likely to find 2-3 acre lots.
Deeper into the Black Hills you are going to find some streams, but mainly lakes. Sylvan Lake, Deerfield Lake, Sheridan Lake, Center lake and Pactola lake. Same problem with acreage…you can get 10+ acres of forested land, but not land near a lake or stream probably.
Hot Springs has Fall River and Angostura reservoir, which is the largest body of water in Western SD. Fall River is actually created by naturally occurring Hot Springs (hence the name) so it is a warm water river that always stays about 70 degrees, even in the winter.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
UP LOCOMOTIVE, what talk is there about a franchise with a GM who’s 24-72 in the past 6 years, and an interim HC who’s using a former HC’s playbook? That pretty much is the talk.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
I love football and I love the Raiders. I don’t want to see Vick wearing Raiders gear. He’s a punk. What he did is just unforgivable!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
THE RAIDERS WOULD BE LIKE A HALF WAY HOUSE NICE SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM PRISON BEFORE YOU GET INTO SOCIETY. WE ARE THE RAIDER NATION YOU KNOW. WE ARE MORE LIKE INMATES ON SUNDAYS THAN OTHERS
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
thats the beauty of this site;if people want 2 talk of other things thats fine with me,they wont be long and the talk always goes back 2 da Raiders.Its called common courtesy and there is a lot of it on this blog
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
And, another plus, Dakota, is that you’re state’s getting television this year!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
I don’t want to see Raiders’ gear on Vick. Vick deserves better.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
The Raiders like a halfway house? The Raiders are more like the county jail rec room.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
wont read it now, im heading home now, or well im going to the park
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am
I am coming around to focusing this draft on the offense. With Raji off the board and Ron Brace and Jarron Gilbert’s stock rising, there is an increasing chance that there is no meaningful defensive help in the draft for the Raiders. I say this because I place very little value on draft picks after the 2nd round.
The Raiders will have to win next year with no defense. Therefore, what players in the draft can impact the offense.
1. Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, OT
2. Ramses Barden or Brian Robiskie, WR
3. Jasper Brinkley, LB, USC
4. Mitch King, DE, Iowa
Monroe or Oher would be an upgrade over Mario Henderson. I like Mario, but Monroe/Oher could be special
Ramses Barden stands at 6′6 and runs a 4′5. I like his upside as well as Crabtree and at HALF THE COST. Robiskie is also a good hands receiver that didn’t play in a Playstation 3 offense
Brinkley provides competition for Morrison with the loser sliding over to the SLB which will be an upgrade to Ricky Brown
Mitch King is a base DE that provides depth on the D-Line.
The Raiders will have to score a bunch of points next year to be successfull. Next year, the Raiders need to make the draft all about the defense
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Yeah, that’d be great. He can set up another doggie “rape stand” in the workout room. There are plenty of nice concrete walls in Alameda for him to throw Fido into repeatedly, until his skull cracks. And, the jumper cables that he electrocutes the dogs with don’t have to be hooked up to a car battery, the Raiders have a power generator out back. It doesn’t matter that these dogs would put their lives on the line to protect him, they’re fun to torture! I’m sure bringing in a character guy like Vick would really jibe with Tom’s changing culture.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
I GET IT NOW MADDENRAIDER IS A MADDENHATER
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 am
You’re right, SnB Defense, the Raiders will have to win next year with no defense; And no offense, and no coach, and no GM. Just a punter.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:15 am
You guys, quit mentioning Vick and the Raiders in the same breath. It’s insulting. Vick has standards…
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Fuk Vick!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:10 am
And, another plus, Dakota, is that you’re state’s getting television this year!
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Are you kidding me? I can’t wait! Maybe we will get the World Wide Web someday!!!
Actually, the funny thing his, I had a friend who moved here in the late 1980’s from California, and his grandmother would send him care packages containing candy and pop because she didn’t think he could get that stuff in South Dakota, lol. We never corrected her…burp.
She also wanted to know if the Indians were still a problem, lol.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
In Shane I Trust!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Bringing in Vick would be a mistake considering the development of Russell. Fact is, I don’t think Russell’s pysche would be able to handle Vick waiting in the wings.
Any mistakes Russell is going to have along the way will lead to an outcry for Vick, and that’s not what a young QB like Russell can handle, IMO.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Come on now, Dakota, your son’s part Cherokee. And you and your wife have reconciled over it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 am
Getting a Lechler jersey today. I can’t wait for the season! Shane Shane Shane Shane Shane!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
So many sweet punts this year. I can not wait.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Vick got caught trying to smuggle his chronic, boffing bimbos as Ron Mexico, and dog-fighting/killing…how many more do you need…and don’t forget he got caught–meaning he was too much of a moron to even get away with anything…so now you want him??? Anyone who would consider him to influence our young team is more of a moron than Vick
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Jerry,
You’ve had a good run recently, Disneyland, getting this blog registered and all, TV appearances. Now you write this salacious Vick nonsense.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Dakota?
Not even 5 acres deep in the Black Hills?
I showed my wife a few pics, and she loved it. We have been talking about buying land for some time now. I was thinking Ohio since I lived there for a few years, and I know a few areas, but this is AMAZING. The price, the view, location, and the state are perfect.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Why is that knucklehead maddenloser even here? He just posts the same garbage over and over. I was reading his posts from 2005 and they were word for word exactly the same.
Vick as veteran mentor for Jamarcus?? Well, I guess smoking dank, fighting dogs, gambling, and shooting losing animals is the same as spending hours watching film, hours meeting with your position coach and coordinators, and extra practice time with your playmakers. I guess..
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
I agree, 1960Raider. Vick and the Raiders are not a good match. Vick wants to play for a competitive team.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Looks likke MR is in full effect!!!! Whats up MR would not be jerry’s blog with out your insight… Did you have to cut the feet out of the jammies your mother and i sent you or did they fit???
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Wow you guys really think Crabtree was in playstation 3 offense? Listen, good offense or bad offense talent is talent, defenses were double teaming him all year long and he still got all his stats to win another award. Stop hating on the guy and listening to idiots who never played the game. I know Crabtree can play because I seen him play for two years and he has good speed, excellent route running, discipline, good hands, high leap and most important leadership and strive to be the best. We are making wrong decisions to let such a talent be passed over Ramses Barden or Brian Robiskie even though Robiskie is a raw talent I like. These players won’t contribute from first year like Crabtree would Period.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Oakglenn, if I’ve been saying the same things since 2005, it’s because it’s been the same old crap with the Raiders since 2005. Did I miss a winning season somewhere in there between 2005 and today?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
SnB don’t give up on Raji or TJackson, they would be great additions. I lean toward Rey but either way we need a WR (Harrison could come cheap) in the offseason because we know a rook WR won’t make the big impact right away and let’s throw all our picks on D. We have to compete with San Diego.
Run Game edge Raiders
WR edge Chargers
QB Even
D big edge Chargers
Special Teams Edge Raiders
Coaching even
Have catch up to they’re d
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
VICK? Puh-leeeese.
One of the Worst passing QBs before spending two years in the Martha Stewart cellblock.
Slot WR? I’m sorry? Why again do we assume he can run routes or catch? He can’t even read a route. Run one?
“We can run reverses.” WOW. Yeah we don’t have anybody who can run our 8 reverses a season. Oh wait! DMAC, JLH, hmmm.
Vick would be a bigger distraction off the field than to opposing defenses.
Fortunately Cable knows first hand what a poor QB Vick is.
Just say no. BTW Al – corporate sponsors and luxury box buyers don’t like PETA protesters in front of their offices. Vick is bad for business too.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
OAKlife, I’m in “full effect”? Maybe in 1989, I was. Word up.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
Raider O,
Like I said, I am not a real estate agent, so they might find you what you are looking for…Century21 my friend.
Where do you live right now?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am
Vick would create a run-pass threat that would have to be accounted for defensively. You’ve got Russell taking the snap, with Vick a few steps to his right and McFadden close by or in the slot, with Higgins split wide.
Now what?
Russell drops back….
Vick trips him picks up the ball and trys to throw a pass to higgins
INTERCEPTION.
Keep that P.O.S. off the Raiders. He is a gimmic player with NO SKILL other than speed. Crap, that’s all it takes for Al……..
Welcome to the Nation Vick.
WE SUCK AGAIN!
lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am
I was in full effect, and poppin the most.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am
Sorry guys and 4eva, but I got too excited about the land.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
Harrison doesn’t want to sign with team because just like Jason Taylor he doesn’t want off season workouts. If you guys saying trading 7th overall pick for a proven WR you guys are mistaken. Look at what happened when we got Moss or Hall. We gave them top money and they ran away without any contribution. A proven Vet wants high money, didn’t we do that with Walker. Guys I am sorry, Crabtree is the answer we need in WR.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
it’s all good Raider O have fun bro =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
Nah, nobody’s presence is going to rattle Russell, too strong minded. But that’s not the point. Vick filed in his Bankruptcy papers he expected to make 10 million per with the NFL. That’s not the point either. The point is this is the one franchise right now that needs NO DRAMA. Keep working smart and measured like you’ve been doing.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
Word up!!! my hammer pants are also in full effect!!!!
Either way Whats a nation with out haters???? POWERLESS… We control haters thoughts and actions with our thoughts and actions…(ex) I said full effect and mr “hater” started making other 80’s refrences…I love it!!1 A nation with haters is a nation full of empowerment!!!
WORD!
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
I live in SD.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 am
Raider O,
SD as in San Diego?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:30 am
if we wanted a azzhole we could have grabbed T.O…
we need a WR, not a QB
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
Yes sir.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
From SD to the Black Hills…we do get snow you know that right?
http://www.areavoices.com/stormtrack/images/BlackHillsSD11062008.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
i wish we could trade with Denver, i’d love their picks, and they could get Sanchez.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
More snow Raider O:
http://www.policyofliberty.net/gif/2000Trips/JohnNov2000PactolaLakeBlackHillsSouthDakota271×419.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
please quit talking about your local forcasts..
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
it’s all good Raider O have fun bro
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
If Harrison comes cheap it’s better than spending our #1 pick on Crabtree who will take time to develop in the NFL like any WR (Rice, Owens, Calvin…) whereas Harrsion can come right in and contribute and help while our young talent continues to develop. Only of course if we can get him cheap. Moss couldn’t contribute because our line didn’t give him enough time to get open and with our offseason acquisitions hopefully that won’t be the case this year. D’Angelo Hall just couldn’t play man to man to the surprise of everybody. Harrison to me is done but if cheap would be great bcuz our WR core isn’t ready for the playoffs. Holt would be better but I doubt he would come to Oakland. Trading our #1 for a proven commodity like Boldin would be a nice move bcuz he would be happy with more money than he’s getting and we could still spend less than one would spend on a #7 pick while getting a sure thing
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dakota is that you???
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 am
inonewordraider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
SnB don’t give up on Raji or TJackson, they would be great additions. I lean toward Rey but either way we need a WR (Harrison could come cheap) in the offseason because we know a rook WR won’t make the big impact right away and let’s throw all our picks on D. We have to compete with San Diego.
Run Game edge Raiders
WR edge Chargers
QB Even
D big edge Chargers
Special Teams Edge Raiders
Coaching even
Have catch up to they’re d
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I am with you, but let’s look at the situation. The needs on defense are DT, Base DE, FS….The 1st and 2nd rounds are where you get bonnafide starter talent. The 3rd and 4th are players that should make the roster but are depth guys…5th and beyond are long-shots.
So lets focus on the 1st two rounds….There are only two D-Lineman in the 1st round that help. Raji and Tyson Jackson….Orakpo, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin are tweener DE/OLBs….RAiders already have that with Burgess and Trevor Scott. The Raiders need a bigger DE that can hold the point. A guy like T. Jackson. Now, will the Raiders reach for him at 7? Probably not. Raji should not be the pick. Drug use is a red flag and suggest bad character IMO, I don’t care what profession you are in. Can’t use a top 10 on that.
In the 2nd round you are looking Gilbert and Ron Brace. Someone posted a great point earlier. Detroit, Cincy, Jax, and St.Louis all need DTs. Brace might be gone before the Raiders pick at #40. I am also reading now that Gilbert is a possible late 1st round pick.
So if that’s the case, the Raiders are probably better off going ahead and getting one of the OTs, even if its Andre Smith in the first and grabbing Barden or Robiskie in the 2nd.
And for heavens sake….no Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Johnny knox or any other 4.3 speedsters!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 am
#198 almost everything you just said is wrong
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:37 am
No that’s not me.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 am
Crabtree Crabtree Crabtree!
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
Hate surfaces again.
A gunman opened fire in an immigration services building in Binghamton, New York, today killing at least four people, a law enforcement said. Police told CNN affiliate WBNG that as many as 12 people are dead.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
TrueRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Wow you guys really think Crabtree was in playstation 3 offense? Listen, good offense or bad offense talent is talent, defenses were double teaming him all year long and he still got all his stats to win another award. Stop hating on the guy and listening to idiots who never played the game. I know Crabtree can play because I seen him play for two years and he has good speed, excellent route running, discipline, good hands, high leap and most important leadership and strive to be the best. We are making wrong decisions to let such a talent be passed over Ramses Barden or Brian Robiskie even though Robiskie is a raw talent I like. These players won’t contribute from first year like Crabtree would Period.
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Crabtree could be a stud. Personally, I am against drafting wide receivers in the top 10 unless they have undeniable physical attributes (height, weight, speed) to go along with great college production.
WR is the hardest position to draft for. Sooooooo many busts. Also, WR, along with safety, seem to be the 2 positions where great talent emerges from the 1st round to the 7th round.
So no, I would take a flier on Crabtree for that reason. The guys at the end of the 1st and into the 2nd can develop into nice players too.
Plus, Raider receivers are not going to be the 90+ types due to the number of weapons in the Raider passing game. I still believe that their existing WRs are capable of grabbing 60 to 80 catches in a year
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
Crapshoot Crapshoot Crapshoot, no thanks.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Dakota,
Don’t forget to have him get a gunrack for his vehicle. LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
I can see a place for Vick with the Raiders. He could be just the right guy, to deal with the Seagull problem at the Stadium.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 am
Exla,
Gun rack? Nope, this is what we drive when hunting:
http://www.americasminitruckcenter.com/uploads/mini-truck-hunting-lift-3.jpg
just kidding, I don’t hunt.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 am
Dakota,
I lived in Ohio for over 3 yrs. I love and miss the snow, and the 4 seasons. lol Also, SD is expensive, and I’m a country boy.
also, not much water in SD. I thought about Oregon, but the Black Hills got me Excited.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 am
Vick is playing in the UFL out here in Las Vegas, him and Fassel together. They will pay him more out here to make a splash for the league, and he won’t have to wait for Goodell to let him play.
You heard it here first.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
I used to feel out of place when I did my wholesale route around South Dakota without it. Couldn’t stop to hunt.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Raider O,
What part of Ohio?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Town lifer,
I’m not a Raider Hater. I love the team, and want them to win, that’s why I’m so critical of the poor management. We have no prayer with Al Davis. No prayer.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Vick and the Raiders…wow. Poor Vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
Dakota,
Don’t forget to have him get a gunrack for his vehicle.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
4EVA, HOW ARE THINGS IN FLA.? HEAR THINGS ARE PRETTY ROUGH AROUND JACKSONVILLE AREA W/ TENT CITY SPRINGING UP AND ALL..
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Vick and the Raiders…wow. Poor Vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Packing. LMAO
No i’m not retired, retarded maybe. lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
no matter who is taken with the 1st pick,he probably won’t have any real impact for a couple of years,unless it’s an OT.WRs and Dlineman take time to adjust to the NFL.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
I thought the tent city was in MaddenRaider’s neck of the woods.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
All this talk of Vick and the Raiders just saddens me, guys. I was hoping Vick would get on a good team.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dirt lot,I didnt know they had a tent city in J-ville.I know they got one around Miami.Raining like hell in J-ville tho
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Al Davis has sort of turned the Raiders into the NFL’s “tent city”, hasn’t he, Mrs. Tracy?
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Exactly Lefty, and Al might not give Cable time to develop a first round DT or WR. Cable goes 6-10 next season he might be out on his ass. Draft a tackle, run the damned ball, protect Russell enough to get the ball to the RBs and TE and we might win some games.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
Columbus. Home of The Ohio State University. I lived in Raintree Pl on the 161 and Cleveland ave.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
TRADE DOWN………TRADE DOWN……….TRADE DOWN
Draft WR Hakeem Nicks from UNC and then draft DL/MLB in either order with our next two picks (one of which we will pickup by TRADING DOWN.
Time to utilize “biggest bang for the buck,” and we need more picks — we’ve got a lot of needs. The draft is a numbers game, and the percentage of “failed” picks can be largely ameliorated by having more bodies with a chance to succeed in camp.
More pick/s = another player or two with a chance to make it. More players for the same guaranteed money (or less) than the single high $$ pick would be.
Al’s been doing it right lately, starting with firing Kiffin. Continue the right moves now by TRADING DOWN and filling the roster with young talent.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
We don’t need Vick, not to mention the backlash in the animal-friendly Bay Area would not be good for the organization. I mean they rode Vick outta town on a rail in the South, imagine what they would do to him here. We would be better off drafting Pat White, if that this the kind of trickery that they want in the playbook.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Raider O Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Packing.
No i’m not retired, retarded maybe.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
I also went to Northland High for a few years. Home of the Vikings.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
BBB, I think there was another reason they rode Vick out of the south than how he treated dogs…Dog fighting is the norm in the South.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
If Al trades down, more than likely we will draft one of the fastest guys in the draft, DHB. I don’t think that would sit well with some on here.
At least he would get some extra pick(s).
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
HayesDaze, it is a great day to be a Raider fan. Lechler’s going to have a huge year. I just know it. One record after another, because he’s going to be punting A LOT. Going to get a Lechler jersey today at Raider image, Arden Mall. Saw Jim Otto there a couple of years ago.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Dakota,although i’m still torn about the draft,i believe we should build an explosive off.that has always been Davis’s mo.since the last 2 years we went off.(JR,DM),lets finish the job,then concentrate on the D.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Raider O, what is your line of work? The most difficult part of living in the Black Hills is finding employment. I had to go out and get a professional degree so that I could return and earn a decent living out here.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
S&B: Gilbert will be there in Round 2. Brace will not
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
MUST BEEN BAD INFO 4EVA,JUST HEARD THE ECONOMY HIT THE JVILLE AREA A LITTLE HARDER THAN MOST. HEARD THE JAGUAR’S WERE CONSIDERING MOVING, BECAUSE OF ATTENDANCE AND OTHER ISSUES.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Retarded for wanting to buy property now, in this economy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Can’t wait to hear Greg Popa this fall. Won’t be a lot of “Touchdown…RRRRAaiders”. But we will hear a lot of, “booooming kick!”.
Lechler!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RAIDERS-EAGLES DRAFT DAY TRADE?
It looks like the Eagles and Raiders could pull off a trade on draft day IF a top OT is still there after the Bengals pick #6.
“Virginia offensive tackle Eugene Monroe will make a pre-draft visit with the Eagles on Monday at the NovaCare Complex, a league source said yesterday.
Monroe’s visit is a signal that the Eagles are at least considering an attempt to move into the top 10 picks of the first round. Both general manager Tom Heckert and coach Andy Reid said last week that they believe they have the trade ammunition needed to move to the top of the draft board. The Eagles have 12 picks, including the 21st and 28th overall selections in the first round.
Monroe, 6-foot-5 and 309 pounds, is considered by many draft experts to be the second-best offensive tackle in this year’s draft behind Baylor’s Jason Smith. It’s impossible to find a mock draft that doesn’t have Monroe being selected in the top 10.
According to NFL.com, the Eagles also have a visit scheduled with Alabama’s Andre Smith at the NovaCare Complex.”
— via pft
The Cheifs however appear to be looking to trade down and their #3 is more valuable than the Eagle 2 #1s. The Raiders #7 is LESS valuable than the Eagles two 1st rd picks on the chart but the Raiders could throw in a later pick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Now’s the best time to buy, Raider O. When there’s blood in the streets…Most of the wealthy families that got us into this mess made their bones in the great depression.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
If you got the money NOW is the time 2 buy!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
i know Vick is a different animal but we had his idol from their HS time in Curry and never really used him at QB to change things up (which i was not happy about…we shouldve had a goalline/short-yardage formation with him taking snaps imo…)
as for Raji. who else was excited when we “stole” another TopTen talent that slipped after getting busted for weed? all the way to the sixth round? Anttaj Howthorne anyone? didnt think so
that said, i hope we get ANdre Smith with the first pick. all the talk about system is irrelevant because all we want him to be is a reliable PASSBLOCKER regardless of what the system says to run the ball. i think he will be a good one getting better with pros taking care of him…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Guys I appreciate the responses. Here is my take, I agree with everything you said. Personally, I know Wr is the hardest position to evaluate but lets look at something. Crabtree won the Biletnikoff Award in both seasons playing in Texas Tech, he was double teamed all year long watch the videos. He commanded attention but all so delivered by contributing. He has no ego problems mostly seen by those who play the position and demand the ball thrown to them like T.O, Ocho, Steve Smith, etc. Humble in nature and talent is a proven aspect. Now all I am trying to say he is undeniable prospect who can be a future number 1 Wr and a star in this league. As far as others Wrs, they might be good but Crabtree is the only one who won back to back awards. Can we deny he talented I really doubt it? Every scout says he is top 3 best players in this draft.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“Be fearful when other are greedy, and be greedy when other are fearful”–Warren Buffet
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I seriously would look at trading the #7 pick for either Anquan Boldin or Sean Rogers from Cleveland.
I don’t see the Raiders winning many games this year with this current D-Line set up.
Just my opinion.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Raider O,
Now is the best time to buy bro. Take advantage of other people’s losses…it’s the American way!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
others…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Yeah, what they said…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I have nothing against crabtree but no way big al takes a wr that high who runs a 4.5+ no saying anything bad about crabtree but that how al likes wr, and if you say what about tim brown , brown run a 4.3 at the combine and won the heisman and was a return expert .
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Now’s the best time to buy, Raider O. When there’s blood in the streets…Most of the wealthy families that got us into this mess made their bones in the great depression.
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true…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Trade #7 to Eagles for #21 and #28
pick 1- best LB avail (Rey, Cushing, Larinitis, Matthews)
pick 2- DE Johnson
pick 3- Ron Brace
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Antaj doesn’t have Raji’s motor
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
This guy was crying at a bar the other day about how he’d lost thousands in the stock market, and about how was applying for retail jobs to make ends meet. I was laughing my ass off.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
The real losers are the people who trusted the system. As usual.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I would also add that Crabtree reminds me a lot about Andre Johnson who is similar to Crabtree in many aspects. And if we remember Johnson during his rookie year had close to 1000s year with the Texans who had a QB who got sucked as many times as Walter did.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
what was Freddy Bs 40 time?
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I’m in the Auto industry now, sales and finance. I’m also a student, working on my Finance degree.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Draft Rey at 7,..wasnt sure if I posted that yet today.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Lefty, Freddy B’s 40 time was a blazing 38 seconds.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Lefty, I agree…lets use the first pick in this draft to get this offense tuned up and hope Marshall can make some changes on the other side of the ball. If he can’t work with what we have, we’ll have to get him new players next season.
I was hoping we could get a T and C to, rounds 1 and 2, but now I wouldn’t mind seeing T, WR, rounds 1 and 2. Maybe get a NT, LB or DE in round 3 that might help out on D. But this draft is certainly top heavy with offensive players.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Michael Crabtree could be the next Grant Hill.
Hall Of Fame material with a bum wheel. There are injury risks throughout the NFL, and throughout players’ careers. Don’t throw guaranteed money at another PROVEN health-risk like Crabtree (even if it’s not his fault he’s now a high-injury-risk player).
No more WR’s with bad wheels when they get here — get JaMarcus the healthy #1 WR he deserves…OUTSIDE of the draft’s top-10 picks.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
You guys should have done what I did,..sit around and wait for elderly family members to die and leave you a house,..money,..stocks,..hey its workin for me like a charm.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
These are times where one should not wonder what they can achieve, but rather who they’re going to huddle up with.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Raider O Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I’m also a student, working on my Finance degree.
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Got my degree in Finance, Chico State. Although I remember more about beer pong than butterfly spreads.
Keep up the good fight.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Lefty, Freddy B’s 40 time was a blazing 38 seconds.
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Because he stopped for a cig.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Any of you experts have a prob with drafting Rey at 7? I dont.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Freddy B never smoked on the field of play. Only on the sideline.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Ramses Barden or Brian Robiskie are as good as Crabtree????? HA HA HA HA HA!!!! You guys get crazier and crazier as we get closer to the draft.
When are you going to learn you can’t make a diamond out of glass.
I watched Robiskie all year here in Columbus possesion WR at best third option in an offense. He came up short in big games most of his Buckeye career. I watched the Ramses barden video and I could not beleve my eyes this grown man was beating up on these JV high school kids in the endzone. Now that looks like talent to me. When was the last time you saw a 6′6″ WR transform the NFL game not at the tight end position. Crabtree is a two-time Biletnikoff Award winner he broke every record out there that a WR can get outside of the Heisman. Every defense he played aginst schemed aginst him including Texas and he killed them!!!!
You all are just looking for excuses not to pick the best player on the board. So you want Andre for the line? He has flabboobs, does not work out and misses important events like bowl games and combines (but not Mickey D’s). Maclin may be good if you like Teddy Ginn Jr. Take him! If you look at teddy Ginn’s highlights- Teddy is faster and had more big plays. If you like him in the pros take him. None of the lineman will be there when we pick. OK, lets go for Raji!!!! Raji flunks a drug test, does not play for a whole seasons. Sounds like a winner to me man. I am sure Sands and Kelly can teach him allot rolling around in the sand.
Michael Johnson never even started one game at GT, maybe one or two. Why do we think we know more than his coach who watched him every game. Orakpo???Maybe but ask yourself when has one of these muscle bound short DE done well int he pros, especially a TX lineman? By the way where has Orakpo been for three years? Curry – He will be gone at this pick.
Crabtree and Curry are #7 talent. Curry will not be there. Are other need WR, if we don’t take a vetern Crabtree can help now. We don’t need Maclin for special teams and DHB is a project WR. The only WR I could justify picking at 7 is Crabtree!
None of you even knew who Raji or Michael Johnson was until the combine and that sorry Walterfootball website.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
thats a damn good point TRMR.that could be said 4 any time in history,imo
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
To quote Chris Rock…
A white woman shoots a moose, and everybody thinks it’s great.
A black man shoots a dog, and he goes to jail.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Did you guys read Stabler’s book? didn’t he say that Freddy used to smoke about a pack before every game? One of the guys did. Think it was Freddy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Dakota,
Well, it all depends on how you look at it. Is this the time for savings or investing? Also, it depends on one’s financial situation, and the type of investment. I think this is a great time for property investments, but not much else.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Redskins are admitting they had in interest in Cutler, and I have feeling Campbell isn’t going to act like a girl as Jay did.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Here here, Kirk. That’s what I was saying to BBB, in response to his comment that the South ran vick out for dog fighting. That’s the only thing they liked about him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
lol at 271…true.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Hearing rumors that Oakland might say the heck with it and draft Sanchez at 7,…Im hearing Davis loves the guy, and that hes from Southern Cal doesnt hurt. Dont be surprised to see the Raiders draft him at 7,…I believe the Raiders already disenchanted with Russell.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
HAZE,
God post brother more bodies = more chances to find the next gem….and post 246 would be nice if we could get a pick or two in the 2 nd or 3rd with that trade but unlikely…and like haze said one guy cant fix all our holes…same amount of money more bodies!!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
if you lok at the WRs we have reportedly been meeting with,it looks like we could wait until the 3rd or 4th to pick one.i’d really like to know if we are so sure Barnes will work out at LT or RT.do we really have faith in Henderson?the answer to those 2 questions would go a long way regarding how and who we draft.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Hunting wild game legally, and torturing and killing dogs in cold blood is hardly the same, for those losers in here that compare the two clearly are very uneducated,..like Chris Rock.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
HBO ran a documentary called “fighting dogs”, way before this Vick scandal. Dog fighting is common in rural areas and inner cities. The press tried to pretend that Vick and his boys thought it up on their own. LOL.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Vegas,
My ex went there, she called ” party heaven”
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Norco Bob, it depends on your beliefs. Killing animals is killing animals.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Well Im outta here,..headin to South Shore for the rest of the day,..have a few beers on the beach there,..cold out but thats ok.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
It’s cold here in the valley, too, Norco. Have fun at south shore. Don’t lose your shirt.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Norco 263. thats cold…
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# inonewordraider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Antaj doesn’t have Raji’s motor
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he better do good in his private workouts/interviews or he will drop witht the way NFL doles out fines nowadays…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
No real madden, nothing to do with “beliefs”,…but its over your head dude, you are not very smart,…lacking an education,..you cant tell the difference,..its too complicated for your brain to seperate different situations,…so you probably should move on to something your brain can handle, like worrying about the draft.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Did anyone ever wonder how many sacks JAM may have had last year because it took to long for our WRs to get open? I think a large part of it was our pass blocking. Our line can run block way better than pass block. But I think the development of Sanchez and Higgins helped. None of our other WR could get open with the exception of Miller. I thinkone of our problems is we need WRs that can get open consistantly and catch the ball. We need more dept at the WR position or JAMs arm is wasted and he takes to much blame already. All of our WRs were injury prone last year and couple never made it out of camp. Our running game is tight. We need a good WR not a project. Most of the free agent WRs are burned out or want to much cash! That is why we do not have one. This is why I still say take Crabtree he has proven himself, look at the stats, look at the video, look at the record. He has more yards than Maclin or DHB. I like DHB in the 2nd as a project but we do not need another project we have Shields and Watkins.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Norco…is rey a 7th type pick guy?!?!? im not sold on that..
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
When to Chico on Holloween, ‘93. Out of control.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Norco, you just accused someone of not being smart while defending Sarah Palin. It’s cool, though. Have fun at South Shore.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Oaklifer,..we drafted an O lineman at 2 a few years ago,..you like how that worked out?
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 pm
lifer — Don’t take that bait
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
When did I defend Sarah Palin?…there you go again Real Madden,..you keep putting words in my mouth that I never said,..you need to just give up, you keep looking stupider with every post.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Not bait Hayes, just facts.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
We drafted a worthless o lineman with the 2nd pick,..Heck with Big Ben,..Rivers,..etc.,…we got a bum at 2 and Lifer thinks its some great idea to take another lineman at 7,…thank God you experts arent in the war room.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
You defended Sarah Palin when somebody else pointed out that she kills animals just as Vick does (true). You rationalized her slaughtering of innocent animals. You defended her. Then, you called someone else stupid. What’s next, are you going to defend Al Davis while accusing someone else of being a poor GM?
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
ohhh dont get me wrong Im not sold on oloine at 7 either… unless its Smith..”he’s a beast!” I say trade sown grab some body’s throwin that money at Rey at 7 just dsnt make sense… RE: the Ray lewis post a few days ago…with no one in the middle he cant do his job…And I was NEVER on the Gallerey band wagon..but no he is playing gaurd at a probowl level …to his defense! but number two not worth it there are plenty of prowbowlers at number two we want HFamers at @ lol!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Notice how very little was reported on Biden’s daughter’s episode, and rightfully so. Imagine if that was Palin’s daughter though, they might have had to do a 20/20 piece on it.
Our media is a disgrace.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
TrueRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Guys I appreciate the responses. Here is my take, I agree with everything you said. Personally, I know Wr is the hardest position to evaluate but lets look at something. Crabtree won the Biletnikoff Award in both seasons playing in Texas Tech, he was double teamed all year long watch the videos. He commanded attention but all so delivered by contributing. He has no ego problems mostly seen by those who play the position and demand the ball thrown to them like T.O, Ocho, Steve Smith, etc. Humble in nature and talent is a proven aspect. Now all I am trying to say he is undeniable prospect who can be a future number 1 Wr and a star in this league. As far as others Wrs, they might be good but Crabtree is the only one who won back to back awards. Can we deny he talented I really doubt it? Every scout says he is top 3 best players in this draft.
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If the Raiders take Crabtree I will be fine with the pick. I think he could be a great player. But equally, receivers have such a sketcy record. Anyhow, to your points:
1. Bilitnekoff Award Winners: How many of these players are elite players in the NFL? 5 maybe 6 out of 13. Just under half.
2007 – Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
2006 – Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech
2005 – Mike Hass, Oregon State
2004 – Braylon Edwards, Michigan
2003 – Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh
2002 – Charles Rogers, Mich St
2001 – Josh Reed, LSU
2000 – Antonio Bryant, Pittsburgh
1999 – Troy Walters, Stanford
1998 – Troy Edwards, La Tech
1997 – Randy Moss, Marshall
1996 – Marcus Harris, Wyoming
1995 – Terry Glenn, Ohio St
1994 – Bobby Engram, Penn State
2. He caught a lot of balls because Texas Tech threw the ball 67% of its plays. 660 passes, 317 rushes. Using multiple wide receivers spreads to boot. A good many of those throws I am sure directed to Crabtree.
What would Brian Robiskie, or Hakeem Nicks or Ramses Barden’s numbers look like in such an offense.
3. There is not 1 cornerback from the Big 12 projected to be drafted in the first 5 rounds. Who did he play against?
The college game is NOTHING like the pro game. That goes for Crabtree, Stafford, Raji, Mauluaga…any of them. So there are questions for me and big ones to boot when it comes to Crabtree.
Again, he might be a great player and if the Raiders get him, I’ll be right behind him. In fact if he is drafted, I hope someone comes back and pulls this post and tells me I am full of $@@!. I’ll gladly take that criticism as I get ready to watch the first RAider playoff game
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Like Vick, Vegas Raider, the media hates Palin. It is what it is. When you’re asked what your experience in foreign policy is, and you answer that you can see Russia from your house? You made your own bed.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
So…..selecting a QB at #7 is the move then? Biggest bucket of chum in here today, and someone went for it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Assuming Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe are already off the board, when we pick at #7 and that Al can’t broker a deal to trade back; I think our best option is Michael Crabtree. I know everybody thinks Al is in love with speed, but there is something else Al loves just as much: highly decorated players. Al loves former #1 picks, super bowl MVP’s, Heisman trophy winners, Outland trophy winners and yes Biletnikoff award winners. Considering that
A) the award is named after one of Al’s favorites
B) Al missed the chance to draft Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson, then let Randy Moss slip away (all former Biletnikoff winners)
C) Crabtree is the first two-time winner
I just can’t imagine the Raiders picking Maclin ahead of Crabtree. Al loves speed, but he is not in love with speed.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Dakota,
I’m a huge fan of buying property, land more than anything else. You can never have enough land. That’s the county in me.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Sorry real madden, scrolled up, dont see a post by me mentioning her at all,…think you are imagining things again,…poor you. lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
As long as you admit the bias. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it is a big deal, I wish I was there with her.
And of course Joe has never said anything stupid. Even Barack admitted he doesn’t know what Joe is talking about sometimes.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I take the best pick for my need in the draft. Our #1 need is a reliable WR. I pick The best player at the position I need. So I take Crabtree. I am not convinced big Andre is the one at tackle. Sounds a little bipolar to me. Raji testing positive and missing a whole season. Plus, so you want him learning from Sands and Turd!! I don’t think so. Also, they have all the big d-line money tide up. Orakpo – To stiff and not tall enough for the line. He is a straight pass rusher to me.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
You didn’t have to mention her, Norco. Someone else pointed it out, then you defended her behavior. I don’t blame you for backpedaling. Defending Sarah Palin doesn’t make you seem very smart.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Anyway, Im out,..and its too easy to keep putting the real madden in his place, which is in the corner with his dunce cap on,..cya and have a great weekend!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Vegas Raider, you act like I own the media. What do you want me to do? If you don’t like the media, don’t watch it. I rarely pay attention to the mainstream press. Stopped taking them seriously during Lewinsky gate. Obviously, there were more pressing issues in the world. We found out what they were on 9/11. And, even Clinton warned America that this threat was more important than the stained dress. The media, and the republican majority in congress, had other ideas.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Lol,.poor madden,..one more time dumb dumb,..theres a difference in legally hunting, and illegally fighting dogs,..got it now?…has nothing to do with palin or obama or al davis or your mother,..try and keep up junior,..or maybe give school another try,..have a nice day.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Norco, defending Sarah Palin gives you the permanent dunce cap. Wear it proudly, and try not to lose it at South Shore.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Norco, are you going to go to South Shore, or stay in here and defend Sarah Palin all day?
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Fair enough. I should have tuned out long ago, makes me so damn mad sometimes.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Sara palin? wow, click my name.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
The media’s a business, Vegas. And, if you do your research, you’ll find that most of the media’s ownership is conservative. Big time Republican donors. A lot of the journalists are liberal, came out of the Woodward/Bernstien era. That’s basically what you’re dealing with. Liberal journalists, conservative ownership.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I figured Dakota would like that.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Lefty, I agree…lets use the first pick in this draft to get this offense tuned up and hope Marshall can make some changes on the other side of the ball. If he can’t work with what we have, we’ll have to get him new players next season.
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Dakota,
The key will be if Davis will give Cable some leeway. That D-Line is HORRIBLE with a captial H. Sands is in his 9th yr, Warren is in his 9th and Kelly in his 6th. Kelly could turn it around….will have to see the knee, but Warren and Sands have already maxed out and are on the decline.
There is no help in the draft at DT as Raji is drug abuser and Brace will be gone at 40.
History shows that you will need a top 5 offense to overcome a bottom tiered defense. Hopefully the offense can give that big turnaround.
But that DT position is a disaster. If Ray Lewis played in Oakland, he would be demanding a trade
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Sarah Palin is no Joe Rudi.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Plaxico Burress was just released by the Giants.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
A MLB who offenses don’t like to run against is exactly what our DL needs to improve.
Every missed tackle by our DL has a high chance of being a long run, because our LB corps can’t seem to tackle a runner…ANY runner.
1st pick (wherever that may be) = WR
2nd pick = MLB
3rd pick = DL
4th pick = C
5th-7th picks (hey, we’re trading down) = LB/DL/OL
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
IF they Beagles and the Raiders were to swap picks in the 1st:
21 Rey Maualuga (or Cushing if Rey is gone and Cushing is still there)
28 Ron Brace.
Defense much improved.
No trade:
7 Rey Maualuga
40 used in trade to move up and get Brace.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
316. Bingo.
Know who owns the Wall Street Journal?
Rupert Murdock.
Talk about a conflict of interest…
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
The media’s owned by conservatives? NBC (GE), CBS (Viacom), CNN (Turner) and ABC’s (Disney and formerly Eisner) ownership ranges from huge liberals to moderates at best. Most all the big papers are liberal.
But hey they are a busines as you said, and as the last few elections proved, more people are liberal than conservative, so got to feed the audience.
Have a good weekend everybody.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Vick may have been a weapon, but who knows if he’s still in fighting trim?
He’d get work outs first I’m sure, but to arbitrarily sign him? Don’t know bout that…
Unless he does a complete 180 and is on the straight and narrow, he’d be a risk to corrupt an Oakland team that has worked hard to purge negative players and image.
I think Dallas would be a front runner for Vick considering their built in baby sitters club.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
A MLB who offenses don’t like to run against is exactly what our DL needs to improve.
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Players don’t care about all that Hulkamaniac stuff that Mauluaga supposedly brings to the table. The offense cares about hitting the open hole, guards care about getting to the second level and making plays.
Hear me now! You could have a linebacking corps of Lawrence Taylor on the WIll, Dick Butkus and Mike Singletary, with Derrick Thomas, Ray Lewis and Jack Lambert rotating in for 4qtrs and they won’t do JACK without a good DT in front of them.
This is why successfull teams use the so-called “inside-out” approach to building defense. That’s why Belicheck has used the majority of his 1st rounders on the D-Line.
Why Ray Lewis thrived with Tony Siragusa and Haloti Ngata and begged to be released/traded when he had Kelly Gregg as a starter.
Fix the D-Lines. Trade down get an extra pick and hope and pray that Ron Brace is still on the board. I am tired of watching bad defense. Its an abomination!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
A WR doesn’t improve this team at all especially one that is unproven, slow, and short and neither does a fast, short unproven WR. The only area of great need is STOPPING THE RUN!! We already have a roster full of WR’s mostly young and in need of development and playing time. It makes no sense to draft yet another WR when you can’t stop the run. This is not passing league football.
The #7 pick and the 2nd rounder should be used on defense. If you want to OOh-and Ahhh at WR’s catching passes go watch football highlights on Youtube. For the Raiders to win football games we need to greatly improve the defense especially the run defense. Simply replacing Ryan with Marshall and bringing in high character players with little to no talent like Boschetti is not going to turn this team around. We need some high caliber (blue Chip type) talent not at WR, but on the OL and DL, at least one.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Do it! Bring in Vick! That would be awesome!
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
How long do you think it will take Cleveland to call plax’s agent to get him in for a workout and get him signed. Stallworth going away for a long time, Plax facing jail time…….Match made in the heaven if your the brown stains.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
So did Cushing and Mathews really test positive for roids…doesn’t shock me of course, but it certainly should stop any GM from drafting them in the first two rounds IMO.
Why draft another Bosworth?
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B makes good points but overlooks the biggest one-the Raiders don’t build their team like Balt builds theirs.Davis believes in scoring points-Balt. believes in preventing points.we don’t build teams the same way.that is just the way it is.
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B
How many line men play in front of Ray Lewis?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
The media’s owned by conservatives? NBC (GE), CBS (Viacom), CNN (Turner) and ABC’s (Disney and formerly Eisner) ownership ranges from huge liberals to moderates at best. Most all the big papers are liberal.
But hey they are a busines as you said, and as the last few elections proved, more people are liberal than conservative, so got to feed the audience.
Have a good weekend everybody.
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If it was still 1990, you’d be correct.
Since the 1993 repeal of anti trust laws massive take overs and monoploies by someof the companies you’ve mentioned turned the media hard core Republican.
Have you ever checked out FOX or its affiliates?
The danger of course with 90% of the media owned by one group or another is the tendency to slant or omit news to your advantage.
can’t tell me the media hasn’t omited whats really happening with the war (or at least down playing it) and the economic crisis before it hit full force.
The rest of us already knew…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Dakota
I haven’t seen anything about positive rhoid tests for either of them. Only rumors before the Combine.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
N21
did you bumb you head or something?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B makes good points but overlooks the biggest one-the Raiders don’t build their team like Balt builds theirs.Davis believes in scoring points-Balt. believes in preventing points.we don’t build teams the same way.that is just the way it is.
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Yup.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
trade down
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
what is bumb?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Also weighing issues by gathering as much information as possible from both sides to deduce a clear and unbiased opinion
If only we all did
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The danger of course with 90% of the media owned by one group or another is the tendency to slant or omit news to your advantage.
I think 90% of every thing written in the media is…PURE CONJECTURE!!! LOL
Regardless who runs it!!!
O-line for ‘09!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
NO NO NO NO NO NO. What the hell, Jerry? Not only is Vick carrying a ton of baggage, HE ISN’T THAT GOOD. This’ll just create a huge distraction and Russell will always be looking over his shoulder.
Jeez, man, you posted this two days late, you know?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B makes good points but overlooks the biggest one-the Raiders don’t build their team like Balt builds theirs.Davis believes in scoring points-Balt. believes in preventing points.we don’t build teams the same way.that is just the way it is.
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That’s all fine and good but this defensive philosophy Oakland has been using doesn’t work. The Raiders of late have drafted speedy players at BOTH DEs, LBs and in the secondary. Then he asks them to play a physical mano e mano style of defense.
The best Raider defenses had stout D-Line and hard hitting LBs.
Early 2000″ Darrell Russell, Sam Adams, John Parrella, Trace Armstrong with LBs in Romanowski and Eric Barton..with Rod Woodson in the safety
Early 1990’s: Howie Long, Greg Townsend, Scott Davis, Bob Golic with Ellison in the middle, and big Eddie Anderson
1980’s: Howie Long, Bill Pickel, Lyle Alzado, with Millen and McElroy at safety
Present: Burgess, Kalimba Edwards, Terdell Sands, Gerard Warren, Tommy Kelly, William Thomas and that guy they signed from Washington.
Gimmie a break with this “outscoring the opponent and prevent the pass” B.S
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
2 hours to go, then we know here in DK if we lost our Prime Minister to NATO and thereby getting a new PM…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RaiderDogg?
are you out there?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B
How many line men play in front of Ray Lewis?
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He’s got two guys keeping him clean. The NT and one of the 5-tech’s depending on which side of the middle he lines up on
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
S&B makes good points but overlooks the biggest one-the Raiders don’t build their team like Balt builds theirs.Davis believes in scoring points-Balt. believes in preventing points.we don’t build teams the same way.that is just the way it is.
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Also, Baltimore did not go in expecting a slow moving offense that manages the game. It happened because they had the misfortune of drafting Kyle Boller. Tennessee spent a high pick on VY with idea of scoring points. Even Pittsburgh puts points on the board but has an offense built to win in december too.
What the Raiders have done is completed gone “highlight reel, fantasy football” with its draft picks, free agent pick ups and overall philosophy. That’s why the Lines/ Offense and Defense/ are in the condition they are in now.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Tell ‘em. Nnamdi. All of this information is available on the internet. But these extreme right wing loons don’t do the whole research thing. If it’s on FoxNews, it’s true, far as they’re concerned. Sad. The average 4th grader is smarter than these guys.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Gimmie a break with this “outscoring the opponent and prevent the pass”
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It works if you have the right coaching and players. We are real close on offense imo. A #1 WR could help Russell make the transition from poor or average to good or very good. providing the bums Cable brought in for the o-line meet the expectations he has for them…
the defense is a whole different story. Every position outside of CB needs an update if you don’t think coaching or scheme makes a difference. I’m hoping Marshall & Board can do for the D-Line what Cable did for the O-Line. Take a bunch of lemons & make lemonade
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
4evaRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Also weighing issues by gathering as much information as possible from both sides to deduce a clear and unbiased opinion
If only we all did
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Amen.
Peace and have a great day my Raider brutha…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
havent been focusing on the debate here, but Disney are considered a V E R Y conservative org by europeans…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
The old Big AL is the problem for everything excuse just doesn’t fly. Historically Big AL would reload Raider teams with savvy proven high caliber vet’s that knew how to get the job done. Please take the hate blinders off and see the current Raider roster. The Raider team is young, real young that in itself is a major change. We drafted a QB #1 overall. But Big AL doesn’t draft QB’s right? All Big AL does is draft the fastest player in the draft right? We haven’t drafted the fastest guy in the draft in years. Russell, McFadden (fast, but not the fastest RB in the 2008 draft), Huff etc. There have been several wholesale changes over the past six years that disproves the old saying concerning the Raiders. We are in a new era of Raider football.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
the def philosophy the Raiders use works fine if you have a explosive off.(GB in 2007) which we haven’t had in too many years.as i said you make good points but we are what we are.your clamoring for doing things a different way isn’t going to happen.it is like when people come on here and say Al must go,Al has to hire a GM-it isn’t going to happen.why keep repeating the same thing over and over when you know it won’t happen?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Dakota, look up the board members of every major news outlet, and their political contributions. It’s like I said earlier, a lot of the baby boomer journos are liberal. That’s where you’re getting the idea that the media is liberal. They came out of the Watergate era. But they are harnessed by conservative ownership and management, and sometimes even swayed by them. Tell me, Dakota, was the media liberal during Lewinskygate? Is the media liberal right now when they’re blaming Obama for the financial mess, when he’s been prez for all of two months, and they rarely mention Bush’s name? All you have to do is think.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Man, why in the Hell does NFL Network keep showing the “Tuck Rule” game? I’m ready to cancel that damn channel!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Dakota, give us examples as to how the media is liberal. Specific examples.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Gimmie a break with this “outscoring the opponent and prevent the pass”
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It works if you have the right coaching and players. We are real close on offense imo. A #1 WR could help Russell make the transition from poor or average to good or very good. providing the bums Cable brought in for the o-line meet the expectations he has for them…
the defense is a whole different story. Every position outside of CB needs an update if you don’t think coaching or scheme makes a difference. I’m hoping Marshall & Board can do for the D-Line what Cable did for the O-Line. Take a bunch of lemons & make lemonade
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RaiderRockstar,
I am ok with your position. You acknowledge the big problems on the defense. I think what you are saying is fix the offense and protect the investment in Russell. That makes sense and I can agree with that point of view. In fact, if Crabtree or some WR makes that big difference to Russell I’ll be as happy as can be.
My problem is those that think the defense is in good shape. Or that getting by with the D-Line in the condition it is about swapping out the linebacker is crazy. The defense is broken. Not just Rob Ryan but the talent up front. And it always has and always will start up front.
The Raider teams in the past that were successfull always had great D-Line and O-Line play. That’s my main point. This stuff about pass defense and masking the run with a prolific offense is just not true.
We have bad talent on the D-Line and the team needs to address this at some point. Maybe its not this year, but it has to be soon. Will someone get Tank Johnson’s agent on the phone!
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Lefty, name one team that won a SB with no defense.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
the raiders will sign Plaxico! he is an AL guy =) LOL, god help us =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Offense has: Russell, McFadden, Bush, Fargas, Miller, Gallery.
Maybe one of Higgins, Schilens, Shields can evolve into an NFL starter.
I’m tired of having guys that would only start for the Raiders and can’t even latch on to another 53 man roster (like Ronald Curry & Ashley Lelie). Drew Carter was the most impressive WR in camp last year after 3 knee surgeries!
There is also potential with Henderson & Pears (they know the zbs) one is a raw talent, the other a former starting RT in Denver coming off injury
Barnes & Satele will face a difficult challenge in learning the zbs in one summer and still beating out guys who have experience in it. Here’s hoping they play good, not just good enough to beat out the other clowns we deem “competition”
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:33 pm
This is my Draft Wish list
1.Michael Crabtree
2.Aaron Curry
3.Jason Smith
4.Eugene Monroe
5.Brian Orakpo
6.Andre Smith
7.Everette Brown
8.Michael Oher
9.BJ Raji ( I’m worried about him though, we have some good herb here in the Bay.)
10.Jeremy Maclin
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Vegas…
please look up Disney?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Tank is a bum.he totally underachieved in Dallas.they have a Def minded head coach and they still cut him.i never said our Dline talent was great,i just don’t think they are as bad as you proclaim.and yes,i do believe a big part of our terrible Def. lately was R.Ryans fault because at times we played very good Def.-we were terribly inconsistent.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
the def philosophy the Raiders use works fine if you have a explosive off.(GB in 2007) which we haven’t had in too many years.as i said you make good points but we are what we are.your clamoring for doing things a different way isn’t going to happen.it is like when people come on here and say Al must go,Al has to hire a GM-it isn’t going to happen.why keep repeating the same thing over and over when you know it won’t happen?
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You didn’t read my post. I didn’t say Al must go. In fact it was to the contrary. I pointed out the D-Line talent on the successfull Raider teams in the 80s, early 90s, and early 2000’s. Those teams had very good D-Lines that made plays. Prolific players at their position. High draft picks, saavy vets…the whole thing. In fact, the LBs on those teams were ok. But they were able to shine with the men playing in front of them.
This stuff over the last 6 years is garbage. 31st against the run is indefenisble. 330lb DTs that get stood up is unworkable. This is NOT Raider football with what we are seeing.
We should get back to our roots and focus on building up the D-Line.
Tell me where I am wrong. And yes, I am very passionate about playing defense. Because no matter how good the offense is, you will have that game where the offense gets slowed down, whether by weather or the opponent. Good defense is sustainable and can be very consistent.
This is why the Colts, for all that talent on offense, HOF QB, HOF WR, HOF Center, PRO-Bowl Tackles, 2nd WRs, tight ends, great coaches….and yet only 1 Super Bowl APPEARANCE that required a Herculean 2nd half comeback against New England.
Shanahan just got fired despite have a top 5 offense. Defense matter man. Can’t win without it and we don’t have it!
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Does anyone know when Seabass becomes a FA?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
vegas…
many companies gives money to both sides “to keep their back clear” that doesnt mean most of them aren’t conservative…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Guess the mod is not having it, better stay tight-lipped as to not get banned.
LMN,
Just google disney political contributions, or GE, or Ted Turner, or Viacom. You might see a pattern.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:40 pm
VEgas, and i was thinking about the entire board…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Offense has: Russell, McFadden, Bush, Fargas, Miller, Gallery.
Maybe one of Higgins, Schilens, Shields can evolve into an NFL starter.
I’m tired of having guys that would only start for the Raiders and can’t even latch on to another 53 man roster (like Ronald Curry & Ashley Lelie). Drew Carter was the most impressive WR in camp last year after 3 knee surgeries!
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The Raiders should have made Randy Moss stay. He was under contract and they should have told him to grin and bear it. That trade was terrible. Just like the Broncos situation. You don’t get rid of elite players. Don’t forget we lost a #7 pick for Moss and got the speedy John Bowie in return.
There is no rhyme or reason to a lot of the Raider draft picks and free agents from 2000 to about 2005. Too many busts….WAAAAAAY to many draft picks wasted on the secondary.
That’s why all the glaring holes and the strong positions going into this draft. Hopefully Cable can get Davis focused on the task at hand whether it be WR, D-Line, O-Line or whereever.
All I ask is that they FIX these problems instead of simply bandaiding them
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Vegas Raider, Time Warner’s board is mostly conservative. They own CNN. Ted Turner divested. Please tell me you knew that, mr. wall street. For the past few years their chairman was a guy name something Parsons, big Guiliani guy. This guy has the power to turn out the lights on any show, or turn them on. If you want to call that liberal, be my guest.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
well contributions and support is two different things in my book..
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
are…
guess im already tired! =) LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
naturally you have to have a decent Def.i never said you didn’t.and i didn’t say YOU said Al must go,i said it’s like when people say it-a generalization.what i’m trying to get across to you is Davis prefers to build an explosive Off and then fix the Def.-teams like Balt. build dominate Def. then adequate Off.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Tank is a bum.he totally underachieved in Dallas.they have a Def minded head coach and they still cut him.i never said our Dline talent was great,i just don’t think they are as bad as you proclaim.and yes,i do believe a big part of our terrible Def. lately was R.Ryans fault because at times we played very good Def.-we were terribly inconsistent.
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But Tank is a guy that has started in this league. I am still waiting for Sands to just show up in shape…..let alone make a play
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Shanahan just got fired despite have a top 5 offense. Defense matter man. Can’t win without it and we don’t have it!
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donks bread & butter has always been running the football. 6 or 7 RB’s landing on IR obviously changed their gameplan and made their offense pass happy. teams didn’t have to account for their ground attack anymore. plus injuries to Champ Bailey and 5 or 6 other starters had an impact on their defense
donks didn’t have depth. that was a big problem
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Forgive VegasRaider, LMN, he wasn’t aware that Ted Turner has had nothing to do with CNN for about a decade now. His line of work is in the stock market, too.
*Not going anywhere for a while?*
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
anyhoo..
disney are considered a V E RY conservative organization by europeans.. viacom on the other hand are considered liberal…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pm
and Murduch are considered out right E V I L…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I got no beef with CNN, they are pretty fair, except Wolf. I like Anderson. Turner is no conservative.
What about Viacom or the Disney CEO. And there is no debating GE, they are as far-left as News Corp is right.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
We beat San Diego twice and we win the division?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
i dont think we wil win the division the next 3-4 years..
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Vegas Raider, why do you keep mentioning Ted Turner’s name with CNN? Ted Turner has absolutely nothing to do with the network. Sold his shares to Time Warner, and has completely divested. Surely you knew this, working in stocks…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I am still waiting for Sands to just show up in shape…..let alone make a play
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we ALL are! lol
he has about 2 great games per year. He disappears for the other 14 …
one minute you see a flash of potential, the next you’re wondering when this guy is going to be cut. he’s definately not reliable or consistant
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
GE is mostly conservative, too. You’ve been watching Bill O Rielly too much, Vegas Raider. Bill O’s beefing with GE because of Obermann. MSNBC is owned by GE. That’s why O Reilly’s going after them. O Reilly’s beef with GE is all about Kieth Obermann, and nothing else. This is why most people with a brain don’t watch Bill O Rielly. He’s an ego driven loud mouth. I guarantee you that you’ve learned absolutely nothing from watching Bill O Reilly, other than falsehoods like GE being liberal.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Vegas…
to be honest, im having a hard time figuring out GE, some of their views are very concerning, but on the other hand some of it are very comforting…
Glenn Beck, is he on FOX? or what kinda channel would let him get a place to speak his mind…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
naturally you have to have a decent Def.i never said you didn’t.and i didn’t say YOU said Al must go,i said it’s like when people say it-a generalization.what i’m trying to get across to you is Davis prefers to build an explosive Off and then fix the Def.-teams like Balt. build dominate Def. then adequate Off.
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I think you are wrong about Al Davis. I personally think people are trying to use the “Davis loves explosive offense” as an excuse to justify this defense.
He might rely more on free agency on defense, but the defenses in early 2000, early 90’s and 1980s were good. They hit people in the mouth, dictated the line of scrimmage and kept the scores low.
1990’s: Howie Long, Greg Townsend, Scott Davis, Bob Golic Drafted Chester McGlockton
1980s: Lyle Alzado, Howie Long, Bill Pickel
2000Lance Johnstone, Darrell Russell, Grady Jackson, T. Bryant, Trace Armstrong, Ted Washington
The Raiders have always had physical defenses when they were at their best.
This defense right now is soooo soft to the touch that it is an embarrassment to the great Raider teams
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
When the Bears came to Oakland in ‘07 we faced Griese and Grossman not Orton, right?
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
man o’reilly is a nut job too, in my view he should get some years in jail, I find him as criminal as glenn beck..
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Howie Long and Greg Townsend both started in the league,should we sign them too?(although both might do better than some of the guys we now have)-lol.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Bill O Reilly is entertainment. Anyone who values him as a source of information has serious issues. Might as well watch pro wrestling for the competition, while you’re at it. Cool if you’re 10 years old, not so cool if you’re 40.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
351 BAG: Very good point.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Townsend is ony about 240, I bet he could play SLB though.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
man o’reilly is a nut job too, in my view he should get some years in jail, I find him as criminal as glenn beck..
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sorry I meant limbaugh.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
They don’t make players like Howie Long and Greg Townsend anymore unfortunately.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I am still waiting for Sands to just show up in shape…..let alone make a play
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we ALL are! lol
he has about 2 great games per year. He disappears for the other 14 …
one minute you see a flash of potential, the next you’re wondering when this guy is going to be cut. he’s definately not reliable or consistant
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You are right…and its those 2 great games that allows him to keep earning his money. But its all over the line.
Warren disappears for entire games
Kelly is up and down….I’ll give him the knee but I expect him to live up to that contract. He should be rated a top 5 DT next year. That’s what he is being paid for!
Burgess: If he can be healthy and not play out of position
Scott: Can he gain 10 or 15lbs?
We have no strongside DE.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
We did have a nasty front 7 in the Gruden years. Willie Shaw deserves most of the credit. Amazing Al found a way to lose both him and Gruden. BTW, we still haven’t rebounded…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
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April 3rd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
383. O’Reilly’s their “Tokyo Rose” spreading the spin and propaganda.
Most people seem to realize this, but some voted Republican because “the democrats are going to take our guns!”
Those of us who realize what the Republicans have been up to the last 12 yrs are never going to let that happen…
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Samhain Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
They don’t make players like Howie Long and Greg Townsend anymore unfortunately.
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Yeah they do. They just don’t play for the Raiders.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
S&B-the last time Davis fired Shell he made the comment-”it’s all about points and we don’t score enough”.in your comments you omit the late 60s and 70s when the Raiders were at their best.those teams were built Off. 1st,then Def.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Scott Davis was a pretty decent DE for us back in the day.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Bill’s beef isn’t with Keith, he never brings him up on his show, unlike KO who brings him up daily (and still loses in the ratings).
His beef is with Immelt and his dealing with IRan. And the stock going down 75% since he became CEO.
So when Bill had former Mayor Willie Brown and the leader of the group demonstrating for Mixon on his show, was I watching entertainment or a fair debate? What about when Barack went on the factor, WWE wrestling? I thought it was a great interview.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Scott Davis, lol. Yeah, I remember him. Coulda been a contendah.
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
We did have a nasty front 7 in the Gruden years. Willie Shaw deserves most of the credit.
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see? a new DC can make a difference!
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Might see us look at a DE with the 7 if we don’t trade out or something.
I think 7 is too high for Everette Brown and not sure Orakpo might not be a “potential” guy like Ghoulston.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Look how much worse our D looked in ‘01, after letting Johnstone go to Minn, and losing D Russ to a suspension. Suddenly our D was on roller skates. Johnstone going to the Vikes was just a business reality. But it’s hard to say what that season could have been if we had D. Russell all year. Teams would not have ran on us the way they did.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
We did have a nasty front 7 in the Gruden years. Willie Shaw deserves most of the credit.
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see? a new DC can make a difference!
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Our new DC will be running things the same way Ryan did.
Davis’s way…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Bill O Reilly is entertainment. Anyone who values him as a source of information has serious issues. Might as well watch pro wrestling for the competition, while you’re at it. Cool if you’re 10 years old, not so cool if you’re 40.
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no. Al Davis, the Raiders are entertainment.
i totally agree with the rest though…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Greg Beikert knocked Scott Davis out. True story
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
SnB Defense, what DE playing in the league right now would you compare to Howie Long? Im just curious.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Willie Shaw made a difference because he stood up to Al Davis, rockstar. He ran his defense. From what I understand, he worked them like dogs. They were conditioned.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
thankx RaiderTW.Wonder how the anti-bud group is gonna try 2 spin this
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Our new DC will be running things the same way Ryan did.
Davis’s way…
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did Al Davis coach for Willie Shaw too? If so, bring it!
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
what DE playing in the league right now would you compare to Howie Long? Im just curious.
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Chris Long. they look alike, same genes too. haha
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Question for the Raider nation:
Is there a player in the NFL right now you’d trade the 7th overall for?
Why?
Peace!
Goin’ to the movies…
Konnichiwa bishes!~
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
D. Russell never rebounded from that ‘01 debacle, btw. Had the year of his life in ‘00. Then he got nailed just before the ‘01 season, for nothing but ganj. His career was never the same after that. His life, neither. The NFL killed him, as far as I’m concerned.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
has Al Davis changed in the last 10-15 years?
nope.
he’s always been the same and he’ll always be the same
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
5 people can run the same system 5 different ways.we shall see but you have to think anyone could run the system better than R.Ryan did.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Samhain Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
SnB Defense, what DE playing in the league right now would you compare to Howie Long? Im just curious.
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Vandenbosch in Tennessee, Richard Seymour in New England come to mind. Guys that could go 4qtrs, don’t get pushed around, get to the QB and play the run.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Rockstar, pay attention. Willie Shaw stood up to Al Davis. that’s why he didn’t last. Ryan did not stand up to Al, that’s why he was retained for so long. But, of course, eventually scapegoated anyway. Coaching for the Raiders is all risk, no reward. That’s why the smart ones like John Fox, Joh Gruden, Willie Shaw, and Lane Kiffin just come in and do their thing, and ignore Al, until he fires him. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. They don’t want to be another Rob Ryan.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Good Answer Rockstar, he has a ways to go though.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
NNamdi
trade #7 for boldin and then some.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Later, guys.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
D. Russell never rebounded from that ‘01 debacle, btw. Had the year of his life in ‘00. Then he got nailed just before the ‘01 season, for nothing but ganj. His career was never the same after that. His life, neither. The NFL killed him, as far as I’m concerned.
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Losing Darrell Russell actually began the decline that has the defense where it is now. He was a young player with a lot of football ahead of him. Too bad he couldn’t fight those demons. He should still be playing.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
So LMN,
Did your PM get the NATO gig?
http://www3.icm.gov.mo/gate/gb/www.macauart.net/Gallery/fukuda/work70L.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
It’s going to be intresting to see what Vandenbosch can do without Haynesworth forcing QB’s outta the pocket.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Darrell Russell was accused in 2002 of videotaping the rape of a woman—who had been drugged with GHB—by two friends.
He sucked for the skins & bucs
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Might see us look at a DE with the 7 if we don’t trade out or something.
I think 7 is too high for Everette Brown and not sure Orakpo might not be a “potential” guy like Ghoulston.
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I think the best pick would be Tyson Jackson. The Raiders don’t need a “pass rusher” they need a DE to stand up the run, provide a bull rush and get about 5 or 6 sacks. If T. Jackson is too much of a reach then draft offense or trade down. Can they just let the clock run out?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Nnamdi,
I would trade the number 7 for Boldin or Sean Rogers from Cleveland
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Nnamdi21, I’d trade #7 for Calvin Johnson from the Detroit Lions.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
So, the New York Football Giants just cut Plaxico Burress. And so begins another debate in Raiderland about another A-hole!
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Who knows whats in store come draft day now that Denver has extra picks to play with , there could be a number of deals or swaps for picks. It’s already April and nothing is set in stone. This draft will be very interesting to say the least.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
The NFL killed D-Russ?
Ever heard of personal responsibility?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
jeramy maclin at number #7 period.you can`t pay the QB the most money on the team and not get him a wr.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
BSJ…
no not yet, i think we might get an asnwer tomorrow..
btw, the thing you said about the navy, I get’em… its very frustrating when you have an asset just “sitting” there in port not making you money =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
#7 pick for Calvin Johnson? In a heartbeat. Twice as good as Crabtree will ever be.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
beer:30
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Maclin or Crabtree?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
That’s what im talkin about Dakota, if the Lions can a great QB, he will be unstoppable
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
im more against Maclin that i was about McFadden, if he’s the guy i will support him, though i just dont see the smarts in choosing hot-blooded arab1an with a bad leg…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Calvin Johnson ?who would be dumb enough to trade him for an unknown #7 pick?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
^^
same goes for Crabtree..
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Crabtree over Maclin.. but Id rather have mack or a beast of a DT….
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
maclin i got ? about crabtree
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Lynn from Snot, it would be nice if the Lions were that stupid…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
# Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
#7 pick for Calvin Johnson? In a heartbeat. Twice as good as Crabtree will ever be.
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LOL, i was just going to say that =)
Calvin Johnson, their #20 and hey would get our #7, would be a huge deal, though not likely =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Russell, Miller, McFadden, Bush and Crabtree would be a great Offense for years to come.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
408…
what would you use Mack for? how many Centers do you think we need? Samson Satele is better than Mack and already showed what he can, Mack first needs to learn the NFL…
choosing Mack would be like shooting yourself in the foot
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Maclin ? Don’t we already have JLH? Both sides of the line are in need of help.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Maclin is just another fast receiver playing in a pass happy spread offense. There is nothing in his game that suggests he’s a sure fire #1 pick. Troy Williamson was taken at #7 as a speedy wide receiver.
If the Raiders insist on going receiver in the first round they should draft Michael Crabtree.
Speed is overrated. How many deep bombs get completed in a game? Most passes are short to mid-range passes in traffic.
Maclin at 18 or 20 makes sense….not at number 7
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
If Crabtree is there, I really believe we must take him. I’ve seen ever bit of video there is of him on Youtube and every where else on the net and the guy gets it done.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
you line-up schillens wide left,maclin wide right,higgins in the slot,mcfadden at rb. you might have the most speed on the field at one time in the nfl.let`s not forget miller russel security blanket.or take miller out ,put mcfadden in the slot and slam bush.unfair!
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
LMN-i think you are wrong about Mack,but time will tell.you do know that is considered the best Center prospect to come along in years,right?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Can they just let the clock run out?
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LOL!
That was one of the funniest things a few years back seeing teams trying to run up to the podium to get their pick in.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
LMN.. are you high?? The fins basically traded him 4 grove.. How good can he be really?? Besides Mack is a CAL guy…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
thanks Lefty….
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
We don’t need Mack. Satele and Wade can hold down the Center position and our OLine priorities must be a starting RT, a back-up RG and some insurance at LT – in case Henderson and/or Barnes aren’t the answer.
We don’t need Maclin. We need a big target, a WR who can win the percentge jump balls against regular-sized CBs. Crabtree doesn’t present could value, I am sure the Raiders will take someone like Ramses Barden (Cal Poly) in the 2nd or 3rd. Big, physical and a complement to Walker, Higgins and Schilens.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
being on the subject of the blog, i believe there is no way of vick competing for a starting job anywhere this year with at least 3 qb’s going in the 1st round to qb needy teams. plus he’s been out for 2 yrs. , teams would rather rely on rookies, backups, or journeymen to start.that looks good for him to be had cheap, but he’s gonna a least wanna shot at it sometime. the fact that hall,griffith, lelie pull for him is a moot point because none of them are on the team currently. who knows if vick even remembers cable at all since they didn’t spent much time together. its very unlikely that he’ll target us but he’ll be there to be had by anybody. dude needs money bad
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
BSJ..
its still Turkeys Gül who stands in the way, he still wont have our PM as GS of the NATO, Obama are pushing as hard as he can to make them change their views…
Turkey wont get in the EU if they hinders Fogh-Rasmussens NATO gig… problem is Gül does not understand that we have freedom of speech here in DK and that the PMs job to secure that right…
man this is exciting.. problem is if he loses the gig, he most likely will be done as PM anyhow… because once you applied for the job, there is now way back, even if you dont get it…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
DRAFT MACLIN!!!!!!!JLH isn’t a 1st round selection or as polished as Maclin is as a reciever.Plus,Maclin will give us insurance in case JLH gets hurt God forbid.That way we wouldn’t lose a step in the return department.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Why bash Maclin just because we have JLH? Maclin is a top 10 talent. We may not need him, but he is without question a top 10 talent.
And just becasue 2 guys are fast doesn’t mean they are the same guy. Maclin is 15lbs heavier than JLH, and the exact size of Reggie Wayne.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Crabtree will be there just like Mc fadden was, but is that our biggest need? NO! Trade down or solidify the lines.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Samhain
Take a look at video on Arman Shields and compare the two. I’d take Shields over Crabtree all day long.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
LMN.. are you high?? The fins basically traded him 4 grove.. How good can he be really?? Besides Mack is a CAL guy
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go eff cal guys.. he is a way better fit ti the zbs than Grove was, and Miami runs a power scheme… thats why he didnt work..
how many games did he win last season??? how many games will Grove start for MIA in the future, thats the real questions… Samson won 15 games last season, went to the PO, Grove will be injured more than half the season, each season… we made way better deal than MIA did…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dakota,
Definitely against bringing in Plax …
In case you had another list going.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Jhill…
so why not draft Sanchez? we might not need him but he is a Top10 QB..
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Linemen!! MEAN AZZ MOFO LINEMEN!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
rodney harrison still considering playing, i’d invite him to camp in a heartbeat.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Al would love Plaxico..
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
LMN…
agree to disagree since your high…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
the Vikings had the clock rn out on them 2 years in a row. That was some funny sheet.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
maclin had 102 catches in 2008,80 in 2007 in the same pass happy offense as crabtree .crabtree had 134 in 2007 and 97 in 2008.maclin gets no respect in the bay area.all over the country nobody compares him to jlh,they compare him to holt and galloway.6 foot 200 pounds at 20 years old.they say he is still growing into his body.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
T.Tech (Crabtree) = 67% pass plays 33% run plays
Missourah (Maclin) = 60% pass
Rutgers (Britt) = 50% pass
Maryland (Heyward) = 48% pass
North Car (Nicks) = 40% pass
Ohio State (Robiskie) = 33% pass
Cal Poly (Barden) = 29% pass
My concern with Maclin/Crabtree is how much of their production was attributed to their pass happy Playstation 3 offenses and will that translate to the NFL.
The other guys made a name for themselves with far fewer opportunities and far fewer 4 receiver sets.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I think we should trade down – possibly to the Broncos (if they want Sanchez) or the Eagles (if they want another lineman).
If we stay at No7, I think we should take Andre Smith and plug him into RT. A position of need and a Junior who is going to get stronger and more mature.
I suspect we will stay and take a DE – probably Orakpo or Michael Johnson.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
2nd thing we disagree on Lefty …
Satele is just what the doctor ordered for us at C. Not saying that Mack isn’t going to be good, but we surely don’t need him with Satele on the squad.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
yeah lets get a ton of centers and WR that really helps us out, why not get tons of QBs as well… LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Jhill…
TY =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Jhill…
so why not draft Sanchez? we might not need him but he is a Top10 QB..
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You just can’t stay out of your own way sometimes LMN. WTF does your post mean? I didn’t say draft Maclin, I said why bash him?
You are hilarious.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Jhill…
yeah, okay, i was not bashing Maclin i was bashing the ‘Idea of drafting’ Macklin…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
No dog killers please. I know the Raiders, and their fans, like to portray a ruffian and outlaw image, but embracing a dog killer is going too far. Leave Vick to the Bengals or Cowboys.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Burress on the other hand, I would accept.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
i dont care what w do with the #7, I just want a Tackle, if its a DT or an OT… but a tackle it should be…
it doesnt do us any good to have the best WR corp if our QB is on his back all the time..
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
This Raider site was against us Drafting Fitzgerald and Peterson.NOW,their against us drafting MACLIN.jUST CAN’T WIN,JUST CAN’T WIN.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
i’d rather sign one of these oft-injured veteran safeties like harrison or mike brown to compete for a staring job against huff, branch, eugene. spending a 2 or a 3 pick on a safety will mostly mean he’ll start right away and i don’t think thats the best way to go with our run d trouble
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
The two WRs we are known to have interviewed are Barden and Derrick Williams. Both are down as 2nd round picks and both are over 6ft. We are not going WR in the first round. Everything points to a good-sized, possession-type WR at No40.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
yeah lets get a ton of centers and WR that really helps us out, why not get tons of QBs as well… LOL
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OK Mr sarcasm who do you want??
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
should have stated myself more clearly-i don’t think we should draft him now that we picked up Satele,but i do think he will be a very good NFL Center-in the long run better than Satele-maybe-we shall see.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Bank-Bank…
oh i was all for Fitzy…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
408…
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
i dont care what w do with the #7, I just want a Tackle, if its a DT or an OT… but a tackle it should be…
it doesnt do us any good to have the best WR corp if our QB is on his back all the time..
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
maclin had more all -purpose yards than any freshman to ever play college football on any level.that`s over 100 years of football!and he improved as a sophmore.crabtree had more rec than any freshman ever!what do you want?
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
bank-bank Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
This Raider site was against us Drafting Fitzgerald and Peterson.NOW,their against us drafting MACLIN.jUST CAN’T WIN,JUST CAN’T WIN.
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Because a Left Tackle was a big need and Gallery was supposed to be a can’t miss product. Adrian Peterson? Not when you need a franchise QB.
Maclin is another wide receiver. Crabtree could be the special player, although I have reservations, Maclin???? Not for top 10 money. NFW…How many guys like Maclin get drafted every year.
What if Robiskie, Barden or Heyward-Bey played in an offense that threw the ball 60+ percent of the time while running 4 and 5 receiver sets.
Big risk in Maclin at 7. HUGE RISK
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
burress will at least miss this season buddies, forget about him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
maclin had more all -purpose yards than any freshman to ever play college football on any level.that`s over 100 years of football!and he improved as a sophmore.crabtree had more rec than any freshman ever!what do you want?
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if i had to choose between those two, i think i would go with macklin… Crabtree’s foot gives me great concerns…
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
408Raider
Before you run off and consume some beers, whatever happened to Thec?
And by the way FREE DIRTY!
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Our biggest strength is our running game. We have three top-class RBs but, we need a top-class RT for them to maximise their potential. Andre Smith has the size, the strength and the mobility to be a great RT in the ZBS.
Crabtree and Maclin may turn out to be fine WRs but, we don’t yet have the passing game to make the most of their ability. We can win games with our running game, especially if we can draft a line-breaking RT.
Andre Smith is the answer.
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
There is a really good chance that one of the top 5 players will fall to us. Especially if Stafford goes #1, and Sanchez goes #4 to Seattle. I almost willing to bet that Cleveland takes either Jenkins or Wells from OSU at 5.
Det – Stafford
Rams – Eugene Monroe
KC – Crabtree
Sea – Sanchez
Clev – Wells
Cincy – Andre Smith
Oak – Curry or Jason Smith
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
# raideredoutL.A. Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
burress will at least miss this season buddies, forget about him.
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tell that to AL, LOL, but i can see the smarts in a team signing him while he is out, so you have him before the 2010 season…
still dont hope Al would do it… but if I had to choose between Plaxico and Vick, I would choose Plaxico in a heartbeat..
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Good articel on Maclin and the Raiders
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
maclin had more all -purpose yards than any freshman to ever play college football on any level.that`s over 100 years of football!and he improved as a sophmore.crabtree had more rec than any freshman ever!what do you want?
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I want a guy that will translate well to the NFL. A top 10 bust sets the franchise back and receivers bust more than any position on the field.
How is Maclin against press coverage?
How does he do in reading defenses?
Can he catch in traffic?
How often did he line up on the outside?
How many passes were thrown to him in a game…how many will he get in the NFL?
Many questions for wide receivers in the draft. Too many. This is a top 10 pick we have…we are not talking about a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
JHILL…
I would love Jason or Curry…
I didnt mention MLB before, because i have great doubts that Curry will fall to #7
Curry, Andre or Jason, would be fantastic signings, and I think I could live with Raji…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Safety Patrick Chung…
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/520636
Maybe a 2nd day pick like Branch?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Jeremy Maclin is the man.I just hope no one else takes him because when I watch his game film I get goosebumps about having him in our Raiders uniform.Plus,Maclin wears black!!!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Rey @ 1
Best DT @ 2
Best S @ 3
= D complete = were a breakout WR (Shields/Schilens/Walker or FA) away from the playoffs
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Jhill – that would be great. Curry, Morrison and Howard would be one of the best LB corp in the NFL and Jason Smith would be a big upgrade at LT.
Sadly, I think that is unlikely.
Monroe is coming under scrutiny for an old knee injury and may fall down to the Bengals. I also can’t see Pioli passing on Curry.
The real interest is whether Denver want to trade into the Top 7 to get Sanchez and how serious are the Seahawks and the Jags about getting their future QB. This draft is going to be very volatile and very hard to predict.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
429. LMN:
No way Curry falls to us.
I’m thinking Crab should be gone too, ****, the Rams lost Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt, Seattle’s WR depth problems last year, Cleveland’s BRaylon’s drops and Stalworth’s killyness, Cincy lost Housh…
Who knows, but Maclin could be a developmental player his rookie year till we ditch Javon in 2010.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Patrick is 5′11 though, gotta worry about durability
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
503. Got that right.
Alot of teams have extra picks this year…could be fast and furious in April…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
NO!!!
He had one runt pitbull that he would throw in the cage with other viscuous fighting pitbulls to get them ready for the real fight. This dog was/is so traumatized from the abuse that it won’t even walk, it just crawls with its legs sprawled out. It’s just now getting to the point where it can be walked, but it likes to choose the path so it doesn’t feel like it’s being led to a caged monster to be attacked again.
Paid his due you say? Legal speaking, fine, but he doesn’t deserve the privilege of playing in the NFL. AND I WILL NOT accept him on my team. After all, he did more than break the law; he committed unconscionable acts of cruelty against animals— REPEATEDLY!!!!! NO, we don’t he hasn’t redeemed himself — a lifetime of atonement is the only thing that will do that.
So, IMHO, BAD idea, Jer! Yes, I would rather Walter and What’s-his-face-ski back up Russell than than someone like Vick. I’d take Tui and Jeff George over Vick.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
jhill Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
There is a really good chance that one of the top 5 players will fall to us. Especially if Stafford goes #1, and Sanchez goes #4 to Seattle. I almost willing to bet that Cleveland takes either Jenkins or Wells from OSU at 5.
Det – Stafford
Rams – Eugene Monroe
KC – Crabtree
Sea – Sanchez
Clev – Wells
Cincy – Andre Smith
Oak – Curry or Jason Smith
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Maybe….Although there is no way that Curry gets by Cleveland. They can live with Lewis for another year and RBs are found throughout the draft. Curry is a special player. I also don’t see Jason Smith getting past Cincy.
This is the year to trade down. Unless you are a Crabtree fan, which I could understand.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
a wr at the 7th pick and going to us is the biggest pressure ever to be on a rookie because we’ll expect so much of him right away. we still have 2 guys, druss and mcfadden in crucial positions that we don’t know much about. plus, we have stretch the field type wr’s already, we need possession wrs for our 3rd down woes. but on the other hand we’re not getting any other wrs in trade or f.a., so lets get one in the 2nd. barden or robiskie, hopefully
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Maclin has bust written all over him
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
JHill,
that would be a dream scenario, I would take either of those two at #7 over Crabtree, Raji, Maclin etc. I hope you are right about that.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Bring Vick in to take care of the seagull problem at the Coliseum. Give him a shotgun and a case of shells, and have him go at it.
Plax, has proved he can’t handle firearms. Clearly the wrong man for the job.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Scottish,
I know a lot of people (u there Dakota) think Pioli will draft defense, but Belichik is not the coach in KC. KC has an offensive minded coach who only has Dwayne Bowe as an option. Gonzales is about to be traded and Larry Johnson will be cut if he looses this arbitration hearing. KC just traded for Vrabel and also have Johnson at OLB. It is VERY possible for KC to go offense.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Nnamdi,the part about(Maclin) not giving the effort blocking for running plays is something that i don’t like to read.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Release was the best song on Pearl Jam’s Ten album.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I don’t think Vick was ever a great QB but he was a play maker because of his legs and athleticism. What he did with the dogs was wrong and he paid the price not only by going to prison, but also by being taken from his elite high paying job and suffering untold public criticism. There are people who will never forgive him for what he did even though there are people out there who have been convicted of rape and murder who a aloud to go back to their lives. I think that having served the punishment for what he did wrong he should be given the chance to go back, pick up the pieces, and try to make as much as he can out of his life. If The Raiders signed him as a back up, for a minimal salary, I would be glad to root for him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
nfl network loves to re-open our wounds
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
1.Stafford
2.JSmith
3.Crabtree
4.Monroe
5.Curry
6.Smith
7.Orakpo
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Patrick is 5′11 though, gotta worry about durability
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He’s been very durable at the College level, but diff at the pros and his deep speed isn’t “raider like”.
I think he’s a good run stuffer and red zone guy maybe…
Likely the best in this draft, if you don’t include Malcolm Jenkins as a safety…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
S&B,
Cleveland just signed Barton to go with Wimbley and their leading tackler D’Qwell Jackson. I don’t think they will go with a LB.
I could be wrong, but I just have a feeling they will go with one of the local kids. Wells running that helluva 40 time at his size?
Or Robo taking his Nnamdi in Malcolm Jenkins?
I can see it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Rumors Fly That Seahawks Are Focused On A Quarterback
Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2009, 3:08 p.m.
With the draft little more than three weeks away, the rumor mill is whizzing (or is it whirring?) with talk that the Seattle Seahawks are locking in on a quarterback with the fourth overall pick in the draft.
(Our most recent mock draft — yeah, we need to do a new one — has them taking USC’s Mark Sanchez.)
Regardless of whether it’s a smokescreen, the burgeoning belief that the Seahawks are leaning that way could prompt some teams perched in lower positions to try to trade up.
The question, of course, is how high they’ll try to go. The Lions hold the first overall pick, but that specific slot entails a huge contract — and requires extra trade consideration. Thus, the Rams at No. 2 or the Chiefs at No. 3 could be the more likely targets for a trade offer.
As we pointed out in the way of the Jay Cutler trade, the Broncos might be looking to package the No. 12 and No. 18 picks for a shot at moving to the top of the round in order to get Sanchez or Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Nnamdi,the part about(Maclin) not giving the effort blocking for running plays is something that i don’t like to read.
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Not sure JLH is alead blocker either, but yeah, I find it disprbing how he has a tendency not to fight for the ball in flight or at its peak.
Russell benefited from that lot in collge. we need BRett Favre type wide outs who’ll go and get it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
521. Very possible unless they think Orton is the…ha! Oh, amn sorry, I can’t I can’t…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
# Raider Dell Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
408Raider
Before you run off and consume some beers, whatever happened to Thec?
And by the way FREE DIRTY!
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I sent thec an email telling him about the new registration so hopefully he’ll be back soon…..
FREE DIRTY….
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
it will be interesting to see if the ex-NE connection rears its ugly head again(KC&DEN).otherwise why would KC do anything to help the donkeys.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
JHIll,
Problem is that Curry is going to be the “best player available” on several draft boards. There is a chance he falls to the Raiders though.
What has to happen is K.C passes on him for Orakpo or Crabtree…..30% chance
Seahawks have to like Sanchez over Curry…..50/50
Browns…..I just can’t see them passing on Curry….Sorry JHill, I wish it could be true but the Browns defense was garbage..0%
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Carroll are saying the Cushing story is a lie, i hoped so too, i was original hoping us trading down and take him, but the the roid story scared me off, and i went back to the OTs…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
this is from nfl.com on maclin
Analysis
Positives: Tight-skinned athlete. Good overall musculature. Explosive straight-line speed and quickness out of his breaks. Agile. Can make defenders miss in tight quarters. Natural playmaker who is a threat to score —from any distance — on every snap. Versatile athlete who can make plays in the running, receiving or return games. Natural pass catcher. Good body control to contort in space and make the spectacular reception. High-points passes and is an explosive leaper. High effort player. Courageous over the middle. Blocks downfield. Showed mental toughness in returning after a horrific knee injury in 2006.
Negatives: Still developing as a route-runner. Relies on his athletic ability at this point, and doesn’t explode out of his cuts as well as he could. Will takes his eyes off the ball, on occasion, to prepare to make the defender miss, and drop the ball. Production inflated due to his role and the presence of other playmakers in this offense. Requires a medical check on his knee.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
# Raider Dell Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
408Raider
Before you run off and consume some beers, whatever happened to Thec?
And by the way FREE DIRTY!
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I sent thec an email telling him about the new registration so hopefully he’ll be back soon…..
FREE DIRTY….
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Thanks, what happened to Little charger girl letting us know how dirty is doing.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
The number 7 pick chances:
1. Crabtree…he will be on the board for sure..his stock fell after the injury, he’s 6′1 not 6′3, no 40x, and he played in an offense that passed 67% of the time.
2. Maclin….a disaster of a pick at 7
3. Orakpo….do the Raiders need a speed rusher with Burgess and an emerging Trevor Scott
4. Andre Smith….I don’t like this guy….like Raji, if you can’t get ready for the interview, I don’t want you on the job
5. Michael Oher/Tyson Jackson….are these guys a reach at 7
This draft is looking pretty bad at 7….If the Raiders are not willing to reach for Jackson or Oher then the pick should be Crabtree
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
LMN….
word we need a T….
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
even though we all talk about Crabtree,there is a very good chance Cinn will take him at 6.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Dell….
she said we were a-holes… Can you believe that a charger fan talking smack about the NATION????
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I cant figure out his draft at all…
all i know is, I wnat Brace and Robiskie in the 2nd or the low 1st…
seems like it wont happen.. Robiskie is this seasons Eddie Royal, i was totally for him too..
im hoping neither of the AFC west teams gets him :/
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
# lefty12 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
even though we all talk about Crabtree,there is a very good chance Cinn will take him at 6.
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yeah, they need a continuency plan for palmer, hope they fallnin love with him and thereby letting some of the tackles and curry fall down to us =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Dell….
she said we were a-holes… Can you believe that a charger fan talking smack about the NATION????
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dirty
Will set her straight, is she a real girlfriend or just a casual back bender.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I heard from El Dirty the other day. He’s not good. Says he has been getting it pretty rough from behind in the shower. Hopefully when he gets out, he won’t be too traumatized.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
SnB, WHY IS MACLIN A DISASTER OF A PICK?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Dell
shes the real deal…She even prints and mails all jerry’s post 2 dirty so he wont miss anything.. Ya gotta love a gril like that…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Dang work getting in the way of commenting!
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Carted up..
yeah you would know about being traumatized like that..
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
# Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Dang work getting in the way of commenting!
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how dare they/it!
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
discharger dude why don’t you just go hang your self?? Dude isnt even here to defend himself and your still talkin smack … What a coward you are…
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Almost 5pm on a Friday. I didn’t get an advanced degree to work 40 hour weeks damn it!
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Charged Up,
a) we know you’re lying.
b) you’ve revealed to us that you think about men having sex in showers.
Freudian slips are a mutha.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
408…
he is a farter fan, what id you expect, he doesnt know any better =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
LMN, yeah, I’ve done some freaky stuff, but only with hot girls. Sometimes I let them experiment.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I guess then it would be not worth his time to talk about the pictures of Selma Hayek I received.
Oh well we can talk later.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I went and visited my bro El Dirty. He was coming on to me. I think he may be turning gay.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Charged Up, how’s that band going? What is it, again? Kind of a mixture of rock and rap? Kind of like Kid Rock? Kind of like, 10 years ago?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Charged up, how much time a day do you spend thinking about men having sex? I’ve only been here a couple of minutes, and you’re 2 for 2 on the gay stuff.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
# Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
LMN, yeah, I’ve done some freaky stuff, but only with hot girls. Sometimes I let them experiment.
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lol, Carted up…
“let them” you say, i assume you mean begging them to find the strap on?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Dell-any time is a good time to bring up Selma,the blues,or the Raiders.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Dakota Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Almost 5pm on a Friday. I didn’t get an advanced degree to work 40 hour weeks damn it!
……………………………….
I spent a semester and a half in junior college and look what it did for me.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
New Donkey QB.
http://deadspin.com/336165/and-ladies–hes-single
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
We do Van Halen covers dude. Your not the Real MaddenRaider.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Sweep the leg..
what did it do for you?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
lefty12
That’s why I have always like who you are.
You have great taste in the most important things in life.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We’d be lucky to see Andre Smith drop to #7, flabbiness & all. Owners will soon forget his recent slip-ups, and remember what a talented force he is on the field.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I am the real MaddenRaider, scroll up and see all of my comments. I’m still dishing it out to Al and his worshipers. Now, though, it’s your turn. You’re sticking out like a sore thumb, and it’s time for the hammer. Van Halen covers? Why would you even admit that? You should have just went with the Kid Rock label I slapped you with. Van Halen is the gayest band ever. Alright when they had David, but still kind of gay. Sammy Hagar is a dork.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Anger, rage, lashing out blindly at all who cross my path. You know, normal stuff.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I remember that song Cabo Wabo. Every girl had that tape. Obviously, you had it, too.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Your a poser. The Real MaddenRaider is much cooler than you are. Your the Sammy Hagar of this blog.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I am the real MaddenRaider, and I find it funny you call me Sammy Hagar as an insult, recognizing his dork status, while being in a Van Halen cover band. You’re just on a roll, aren’t you?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
We only cover the Diamond Dave era.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Where is Albert Bigelow today?
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
yep David Lee Roth was da man.sammy sucked with them but he did all right with Montrose
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I outgrew Van Halen at about age 10, when I outgrew pro wrestling. Soon as I discovered girls, I was done with Van Halen. Let’s put it that way.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
SnB, WHY IS MACLIN A DISASTER OF A PICK?
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How many draft picks have the Raiders used on speedy players? What is Stanford Routt and Fabian Washington up to? Michael Huff’s blazing speed.
That’s Maclin to me. Another boom or bust player who most endearing attribute is his blazing speed. I want a receiver where the first thing said is something about his hands, route running, vision, even blocking. Something that screams football player.
Maclin is a middle to low 1st round pick. Not a number 7. And I don’t think Maclin is an upgrade over JLH, Schilens or even Shields for that matter.
Missourah throws the ball 60% of the time. His film is a plethora of bubble screens and catches made in the slot.
A number 7 receiver needs to dominate on the OUTSIDE.
Speed is overrated
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Raidaholic Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We’d be lucky to see Andre Smith drop to #7, flabbiness & all. Owners will soon forget his recent slip-ups, and remember what a talented force he is on the field.
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I second that.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Albert Bigelow? Who cares, that guy is a pompous ass.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Dang it…. sorry about that…..
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Hire Vick? Sure, as long as I can set my dog on him first.
If he came to the Raiders he would presumably be a mentor to Russell. Vick could certainly show Russell how to move around better, then how to use those feet, and then maybe I could set my dog on him.
What is it with Walter? Say what you like about Jay Cutler but at least he speaks up. Here’s Walter, once a starter, and now forever hanging around saying absolutely nothing. Why doesn’t Walter ever demand a trade or demand to play? It doesn’t help much that the guy actually has talent.
While it’s nice to see Denver in chaos about Cutler, I can’t help but worry about what they will get for him.
Because of that I want Denver and Cutler to reconcile.
He’s a know quantity and we can beat him and we can beat them.
Jerry’s article about us being competitive for the division is right on the money. This is a weak division: Denver and SD both 8-8 and lucky to be that high. For some time people have talked about SD having great talent, but those days have faded. LT isn’nt LT anymore. It’s more likely we should worry about KC.
In Jerry’s last story about Greg Pappa he used Pappa’s game sentence “Wheatley won’t go down!” Did that make anyone else feel good?
Apart from remembering Wheatlely, we’re going into this season with a formiddable running game: Raider Fargas, McFadden and Bush. It couldn’t get any better as far as running goes.
The news about Raji is disturbing. We used to have a quarterback who had those kind of problems. It isn’t worth the hassle. On the other hand the story could be false
Would an NFL coach circulate that story just to drive down Raji in the draft? Seems hard to believe doesn’t it?
Target Mack
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
You only cover the Diamond Dave era…Right. All of those dork Sammy fans showing up to your gigs? There’d be a riot. Bunch of scruffy looking rednecks from daygo breaking windows up and down the street.
April 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
David Lee Roth fans don’t even go to Van Halen gigs, real or cover. It’d be blasphemy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Mike Mayock has Derrius Heyward-Bey going to Oakland.
I guess the blueprint the Raiders are trying to copy is the Greatest Show on Turf teams when Warner was in St. Louis.
The Raiders should go to a spread offense with all this emphasis on speed.
Schilens: 4.38
Higgins: 4.48 (although he plays even faster)
Shields: 4.38
DMAC: 4.2 or 4.3
Heyward-Bey: 4.3
Good Lawd!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
yo MR did og take your screen name???
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Englander-the brat was traded already to Chicago.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
El Dirty likes Sammy Hagar, that’s why I kicked ass when he came to my show. He kept calling for “Why Can’t This Be Love”, and I leaped off stage and gave him a serious beating.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
LMFAO!!! ESPN is reporting that Kyle Orton flunked his physical and the Cutler trade with the Bears has been rescinded! lol Clayton is reporting that the Redskins are again offering the Broncos J. Campbell, 2 first rounders and a 3rd for Cutler.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Raider Dell….
Remember, to check those music links out tomorrow, if time permits. Good stuff..
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
It’s me 408, jesus. You just can’t believe I’m going after a Charger fan? LOL. I’m still a Raider fan. I’m really getting your back. Dude’s calling your homie a punk and a queer, so I’m giving him a little blowback. You’re welcome, btw. Guess I’ll go back to bashing Al. Sorry.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Dakota
I saw your comment on my house as the bet for your collateral if you missed.
Your betting has been a little off, don’t put me in a homeless position.
Thanks
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I’m calling BS on that one Dakota.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
You are so not MR.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Charged Up, what is “why can’t this be love”? Is that a Sammy song? I’ll ask my sister.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
no raider fan would ever go to your show, you are a 40 year old bald guy, that always have to put emphasis on “HOT” girls, a reason to believe you’re still a virgin..
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
vick mentoring russell? 2 personality flaws don’t make a right.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Prove I’m not MR. Back it up. Show some IP addresses to demonstrate that I’m not MR. Otherwise, zip it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I don’t know S&B, Maclin’s scouting report sounds good to me. I’d take Maclin over Crabtree.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Dell, that bet was SOLID! Trust me
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
What you know LMN, your just a European homo anway.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
England Raider,
Wheatley ran so hard for us. That game was special.
I don’t think the win against Tampa last year was the same thing. It helps our confidence, but the win in 2000 against KC sent a message. They owned us up until that point.
I think a win against San Diego opening night might propel this team forward….my fingers are crossed.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Raider Dell….
Remember, to check those music links out tomorrow, if time permits. Good stuff..
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I will be in the office working tomorrow, and yes it will be on.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Dakota-nothing about that on NFL network.in fact they are interviewing the brat now and he is saying how he is happy and his time in Denver is over.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Everyone, did a San Diego Charger/Van Halen fan just actually call someone else a homo?
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Thanx MR… But dont wast ur time on gayed up…
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Was Arman Shields a waste of a draft pick?
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
See you guys later tonight.
Charged Up? You don’t rock.
Later, everyone.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
He is not MR. I am.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Richard Simmons thinks Sammy Hagar is a sissy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Goodbye you fraud.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Is jerry taking the week off again or what???
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Saw Sammy, way before the VH days, at the old Swing Auditorium in Berdoo. Blew the roof off…
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Lefty, who do you trust NFLN, BSPN or me???
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Check you later 408. We should hang out some time.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
What top 15 receiver does Maclin project too. I am very skeptical of these speed guys…real skeptical.
Also, what are the Raiders trying to accomplish with their offense. We have three running backs and soon 4 wide receivers with 4.3 speed.
I still say the Raiders should bring Maclin’s or Crabtree’s playbook with them should they draft them.
Speed all over the place. I better not see a James Jett retro this year!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Vick did his time, Al should throw him a bone!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
when he was with Ronnie Montrose??? they did the song Candy Baby
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
get back to work,Dakota.
the Wash. offer wasn’t considered because J. Campbell(?) wasn’t acceptable.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I almost forgot, I took this picture of El Dirty when I visited him:
http://thefix.ninemsn.com.au/img/tv/underbooby.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Fine…can’t fool old Lefty can I!!!
Have a nice weekend guys.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Lefty 12:
Which brat are you talking about? Kiffin being the biggest.
Sweep the Leg:
He sure did. Fargas runs just as hard but doesn’t have the same body. Fargas has that Hubbard mentality though.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I say all D draft but I also say Sheilds won’t make the impact Bush could have had last year this year because it takes a receiver longer to adapt to the NFL and we say what JWalker could do healthy after the knee injuries, take up space
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Mc Fadden and Bush have good hands out of the backfield , why not utilize their receiving skills to the fullest ? Drafting a wide-out this high is risky ask just ask Detriot.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Englander-Cutler-spoiled brat crybaby.also,like you i almost hate to see him go.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
LMN,
From your silence on the subject I see you read that article I posted earlier. You are welcome. Always glad to educate soci@lists.
Okay…now I am out.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Carted up…
go hang with some farter fans, why would a cool guylike 408 even ang out with your sorry azz, I guess i hit the nail, or at least hit a soft spot, LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
LDE Burgess
DT Kelly
NT Moala
RDE Richardson
LB Howard, Maualuga, Morrison
SS Branch
FS Huff
CB Johnson, Nnamdi
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Mc Fadden and Bush have good hands out of the backfield , why not utilize their receiving skills to the fullest ? Drafting a wide-out this high is risky ask just ask Detriot.
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Your point is how I think on this WR thing too. I am surprised the general consensus is wide receiver. Especially the Maclin’s and Heyward-Bey’s.
Again, football is won on those short amd mid-range passess that rely on receivers running great routes and having excellent hands. Moving the chains.
I just think the first image of the Raiders is George Blanda and Stabler throwing bombs all day.
I don’t see that working in today’s NFL. Sure take a few shots in a game…you might hit one of them…but moving the chains and sustaining drives is what wins.
Heyward-Bey? Maclin? More speed I guess….
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
If Curry, the 2 smiths, monroe or raji are off the board, then I say we trade down. F maclin, he’s not worthy of our pick. The guy doesn’t make me think dominating player. I want a for sure impact player who’s likely to be a pro bowler @ 7!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Jay Butt-hurt is all I have to say about that.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
4eva….
Think so. Was a long time ago…lol.
Read somewhere that Joe Satriani (sp?) is joining Sammy & Michael Anthony this summer
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Lefty 12:
Yeh, I see that. I didn’t know about the trade to Chicago. I’ve got to stop spending so much time at the pub. Naaaah.
At least they didn’t trade him to the 49’s. With that trade Denver would have been solid for decade.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Dakota…
well I havnet read it yet, just skimmed it… and of what i read its very much non-factual, since there are no author, i have hard time believe some of it… according to intelligence reports of th 80s USA and UK was not bunk-mates on nuke-science…
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
SnB
You have articulated for months why we should select Raji.
The press reports of a potential drug failure but doesn’t report what drug.
I read yesterday you sort of backed down and you still defended his selection but may think he won’t fit as a Raider selection.
First of all, the drug that everybody assumes was pot or was it really a diet protein drink banned by the NFL.
The facts are he was overweight and wanted to get in shape, I don’t believe he should be considered less untill we know the facts.
Most college eligible athletes are aware of certain diet pills or drinks to avoid, sometimes you make mistakes, the marijuana charge is unforgiveable but not a deterrent to me as a GM.
I see he has visits with all of the top teams in the first 10 but the Raiders.
Rumor has it he will visit all those teams before the draft, he may not be a fit for the Raiders but don’t let the media turn your appreciation of his skills until you hear from him or the results of the test.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
So what the hell is new on this fine Friday Afternoon. Raji would be saying, Thank God its Friday, he ain’t got no job and he ain’t got sh!t to do. He’s gonna get high today.
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April 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
909 Satriani dosent have words in his music does he???
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I don’t think getting high is all that big of a deal. I have done it but I don’t make it a big habit but its one of those things that people get uppity about when I would say 75% of the world smokes. There are more problems associated with alcohol, so I don’t see what the big fuss is all about. The only true difference in my opinion is that it stays in your system alot longer than alcohol and thats the reason its banned.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Raji’s kickin it with Vick, cheech & chong smokin labrador
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
SnB ,
WE USUALLY AGREE,BUT NOT ON MACLIN.i just don`t get it,he gives you production you say it`s the offense.so he can`t win their.he`s 6`0 foot tall ,but that`s noy tall enough.he`s 200 pounds but that`s not big enough.he has a fast 40,but it`s a knock against him.elite top end speed .takes short passes to the house,but that works againts him.runs reverses to the house which have nothing to do with the pass happy house but that does not count.the best return man in college football but hay!we don`t need a return man so that works against him.scored higher than any wr on the wonderlic test,but so what.has no off the field baggage or dirty test.he is to offense what b.j. raji was to defense on this site.people just don`t like him.
p.s. are you a speed guy when you have monster stats or are you a football player?
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Besides…people become friends when they smoke weed together and they become enemies when they drink together.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Also…your body gets beat to hell in the NFL. Smokin some dank has got to calm your nerves something big time.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Raider Dell,
You are right about the allegations. I hope they are not true. But if they are I wouldn’t select a player at #7 with that knowledge. Even though we could get burned if he ended up in Denver.
I think illegal drug use shows a lapse in judgement and is a window into a man’s character. For that reason, I wouldn’t pay someone millions of dollars.
That being said, its not my money or my job on the line. If the Raiders drafted Raji at 7 I would not have a problem with. The contract better be littered with out clauses and triggers though.
Bad character and lousy judgement.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
If raji is drafted @ 7, he could get his medicinal card, then blaze it on the sidelines
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
there are other wide receiver solutions still out there Marvin Harrison, Tory Holt trade for Boldin or no. 85 Plus develop our own.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Zing! Nice one Jerry.
“Unless Vick is considering a job in construction _ maybe he can help build the new 49ers stadium in Santa Clara _ his best bet in getting playing time right away is in the new United Football League.”
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Blackdeath29,
If I was a GM for a living, which I am not, I wouldn’t use a top 10 pick on a receiver unless they had can’t miss measurables like Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss.
For me, too many “can’t miss” receivers go on to be very average receivers in the NFL. Top 10 picks are expected to be pro-bowlers, not role players.
Receivers and safeties seem to be found throughout the draft. If the Raiders were picking in the middle to later in the 1st, I would not have a problem with Maclin.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
24
What are you a guidance counselor? You seem to know about drugs and liquor, or are you one of those types that get bolder after a few drinks, liquid courage.LoL
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I’m all for drafting Crabtree and if he isn’t available at #7…I’m all for trading that #7 to the Cardinals for Anquan Boldin. Crabtree or Boldin, either way, we win. We probably win alot more with Boldin since hes not only proven, hes an elite receiver.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I don’t use drugs. I gotta assume marijuana is addictive. People sing songs about it and athlete after athlete throw away Millions of dollars on this stuff.
People constantly risk their freedom
ITs bad news.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Nobody is talkin’ about Plax in here? If I missed some posts while scanning, my bad, but am I the only one who thinks if we can get him for cheap we better snatch him up while we can? Giants just released him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Couldn’t agree more 638 …. big gamble taking a receiver that high and a big bust factor to go along with it.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Plax? another outspoken gun totin marquee player. Have we not learned our lesson from Moss? He would fit nice though..
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
the reason he was released by the gmen is he was all about $,at least that is what was reported on NFLN.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Raider Dell – Funny thing is…I’ve smoked 9 times my whole life. Yes…I can actually count the times. I’ve drank many times but I say no alot more times than I say yes when it comes to drinking. More than anything, I like to be in control of my surroundings and being sober is the best way to accomplish that. When I drink, I just get relaxed and I start to get tired. After 3 or 4, I usually start to feel a buzz and if I carry on some more, I just get happy drunk. No problems here.
I drink Guiness and NewCastle. I refuse to drink watered down beer. I won’t pay for that crap. I don’t understand the logic in buying cases of Bud Light or any of that crap because I can’t imagine drinking 8 of them in order to get a buzz. I’d be full. I like the actual taste of the beers I drink and its stronger so it gets to you faster. Many people drink just to get drunk but they try to be overly cheap about it. 75% of the people will probably disagree with me about this because they probably do what I just said they do.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
4eva…
Far as I know, just instrumentals. The way the article read, sounded like he was going to be in the same band w/ Sammy & Michael A.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
There are better options than plexi glass. Damaged goods
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
hey 24 this is some of the best beer out there.
http://www.lagunitas.com/420/index.html
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
I’d rather have a receiver that got beat up in Las Vegas than a guy who himself in his own leg. Dumb@ss.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
weed & alcohol (ok maybe alchohol), da raidahs are my drug of choice, you can find it on any street corner.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Well if he’s thinking he can still get a big bread contract, more power to him, but hopefully the owners show some balls and take a stand and refuse to give a player who constantly shows poor decision making off the field the number he’s looking for. And if they do, Al needs to be the jerk who gives him just a little more than everyone else…Lol
He would be a great fit. And he wouldn’t even have to shoot himself in Oakland. The police would do it for him….. Couldn’t resist the sarcastic remark
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
1st Round – Looking for elite pro-bowl talent
2nd Round – Looking for immediate starters
3rd & 4th – Depth guys that might develop into starters in 3 or 4 years
5th – Depth guys
6th & 7th – Long shots to make the team
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I actually forgot the word “shot” in that sentence. I’ll take a dumb@ss card for that one as well Thank you.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Lynn from Snot – Thanks. I’ve bookmarked the site. I’ll have to check it out.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
24…
Try a Black & Tan. 1/2 Guiness, 1/2 Bass Ale. Yummy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
we would really shoot are self in the foot picking up PLAX
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 pm
THe Zappa beers are excellent.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
24
I agree with most of all you said, I tend being older than you like micro beers than the store bought stuff.
If I have a bottle of beer I will drink Sierra Nevada pale ale or if I have some friends over I usually have in my kegerator Fosters.
There use to be a guy who would comment here,Aussie Raider, one night I asked him about Fosters and he said basically it was real bad beer in Australia but could understand why we in the states may like it.
I sometimes go to these micro beer festivals to taste different beers, in fact San Jose has one and I have been to it a few times. That’s the best way to find out if you like dark or light or heavy or light beers.
Finally went to Germany, caution watch what you drink, there beer is killer.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
see thats we’re we’ve got it made here in australia, the drinking age is 18. suked in!
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Speaking of beer…………… its that time.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
909 – I’ve had it. It was good. Not my first choice but not bad. I like Hefeweizen as well but its obviously much lighter and sweeter than Guiness. A definate change of pace beer.
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
LYNN…
DUDE THATS A GOOD BEER BUT
http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/bigfoot.html
is the best beer of all time.. IMHO….
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
and now huff is making me want a blunt with all his happy smoke talk….
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
408 Ive been drinking their new one lately TORPEDO its really good.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
these are good 2..
http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/torpedo.html
for the light weights
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SnB,
i wanted b.j. raji but the raiders have drafted 3 dt total in the last 10 years,plus a dirty test.so i move on to wr the next biggest need.schillens and higgins looked good at the end ,but for schillens just like mcfadden you got to prove you can stay healthy.walker tried to quit last year and watkins,shields and holland have the same number of catches as maclin as a pro.help the QB DRAFT A WR AT #7.
BESIDES MACLIN AKA IS J-MAC.THAT WOULD GIVE THE RAIDERS J-RUSS, D-MAC AND J-MAC.THE REAL THREE HEADED MONSTER
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
lol.. Lynn
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
♫ The Number of the Beast ♫
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Raider Dell – If I recall, I wasn’t big on Fosters. I think its been awhile and I have more of an acquired taste for beer so that makes a big difference. The 1st time I ever had Guiness, I hated it but I think its cuz I had the Extra Stout and I wasn’t ready for that at the time. Now I can drink that.
As far as Fosters goes, I heard different. I heard Fosters tasted completely different in Australia and they had many different types of Fosters beer. The Alcohol percentage was also higher in their beers there. I remember someone saying it tasted more watered down and nothing like the beer in Aussie. I’m sure everyone will have a different opinion of course.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
lynn you have to try the BigFoot!!! trust me brethren…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
crap!
408 you bastard!
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Asian beers are cool too, and you won’t get too many brothers from the South (Louisville,KY-Home of our beloved M.Bush) referring you to a good Asian beer, but I love an ice cold Kirin Ichiban. That is, if there is no good bourbon to down….
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Man…Kyle Orton is going to become a Pro Bowler and Jay Cutler will go down the tubes. Watch!
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
LMN…
new picture of me…
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/408-1.gif
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Vick will go to the bills enough said….
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Speaking of, ice COLD beer. I think I will.
Take care, all…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I first had the big foot when it came in 8oz bottles back in the day. I’m glad they bottle it now in an adult size.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder – Never heard. As far as bourbon, I try not to drink too much liquor. That stuff sneaks up on you.
Its all too common. Here, have another. 10 minutes later. Have another. 10 minutes later. Have another. Before you know it…you’re GONE!
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
crap!
408 you bastard!
——–
WTF????
this is 666 in my browser
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
408 Ive been drinking their new one lately TORPEDO its really good.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
24
I’m at work and my taste buds are getting anxious. I’ll be here a while longer, this beer talk sounds like a good topic to help get me through the evening.
Fosters is definetly an acquired taste for some, depending where you live.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Time to check out the gig fellas….Holla sometimes over the weekend….
-psssfh….And they say they’re fans. Tell em to look in the mirror and ask themselves… ‘what colors do you bleed?’ -
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
# SnB Defense Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I don’t use drugs. I gotta assume marijuana is addictive. People sing songs about it and athlete after athlete throw away Millions of dollars on this stuff.
People constantly risk their freedom
ITs bad news.
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I totally agree, its addictive, and wasting your opportunity to earn huge bucks is ridiculous..
That said, Alcohol is addictive too, and alcohol carries more misfortunes than marijuana does, its a legal technicality that marijuana is frown upon… had cigarettes, coffee or alcohol been “invented” today, it would have had harder bans than marijuana… people sing about coffee and alcohol too…
reason why its banned is political, im not taking sides, but Coffee, tobacco and alcohol has real power, real lobbies and thats why they are legal…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Scottish Raider:
Good to see you posting. I haven’t seen your posts since your run-in with Jerry about which you were wrong.
In the pre-registration days your posts were one of the ones I looked for. You always bring Raider football to the table.
Thanks for the effort.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Blackdeath29,
Russell needs help that for sure. I would rather spend a 2nd rounder on a receiver. They all look good in college. Even Arman Shields (a total waste of a draft pick) has a highlight reel.
Top 10 is expected to hit the pro-bowl.
Who does Maclin project too in the NFL?
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
these are some good ones too….http://www.lagunitas.com/beers/index.html
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
http://www.lagunitas.com/beers/index.html
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
JOEY GALLOWAY
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Back to the draft… or so to speak. I don’t see a game changer at 7 , trading down will fill more holes .
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
408…
lol, then i take the bastard remark back, LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Love the Fosters
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
LMN..
Pink Floyd “witch ones Pink”
have you ever seen that? They’re showing it on VH1.. Its ufckin awesome…
BTW GO RAIDERS
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Forget about Vick.
Plaxico Burress is hitting the market. I can’t imagine him doing more than token time for his stupid shooting himself incident. He’s already paid for it with all the money lost and the shooting himself part.
Sign this guy up to be a Raider right NOW! Somehow.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm
408…
a tribute band?
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Plax is going to do at least 6 mos. from what I’m hearing
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
JOEY GALLOWAY
=======================================================That’s fair. In the years he was healthy he could produce. Problem is he couldn’t stay healthy. I would have like to hear Steve Smith though
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I don’t think any team will want to touch Plaxico until he has his legal troubles straightened out and behind him, and he finds out what kind of suspension he might be facing from The NFL.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
408…
or this http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008hs1m
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
LMN…
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4470199/PINK_FLOYD_STORY._By_the_way__wich_one_is_Pink
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Why is receiver the main concern here? I still think with Miller JLH and Mc Fadden being used like Marshall Faulk they could be effective in the passing game . With a power running game to set it up.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Great topics in here this evening,beer, raiders and the blues, that’s why it’s great to be a Raiders fan.
Later fellas
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Adding Plax would give us a leg up on the division
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
408…
yeah i found it, torrent portal, the pirate bay is monitored so i dont use that site anymore..
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
it will be down in a few hours, but i wont have time to see it until some time next week…
tomorrow im going out drinking with some old army fellas and sunday is my birthday, and i will see tons of sports then and treat my hangovers =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
We should totally get Plaxico on board. we’ll benefit on the long run. He is a good receiver and maybe al cna work his magic to bring him in. he will eventually contribute
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
LMN..
WORD???
well the thing Im trying to tell ya about is the story of our favorite band.. and how sid barret died and all that.. cool documentary…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RIP Sid
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
All defensive draft, with the exception of a stud OT in the first is what we need. We’ve got enough projects at wide receiver, adding a rookie this year doesn’t allow us to fully develop and evaluate our current talent.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
408..
great, thanx for the heads up…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
HAPPY B-DAY LMN BROTHER!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I thought Huff At no. 7 was a solid pick and that turned out to be a bad one. That’s the chance you take drafting high every year.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
LMN…
Happy BDay in case Im not around on Sun… Don’t do nothing I wouldn’t do… That gives you lots of room to work with BTW..
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
anything even…
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Happy Birthday LMN? How old?
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Happy Birthday LMN. How old?
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Or how young ate you? lol
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Are.
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
im 31 on sunday… its going to be tough day, im born on my mothers birthday, so i always go to church that day..
I think she would have liked that =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
im celebrating it on saturday so i can et wasted =) LOL, one of my old army buddies is home on leave from Afghan1stan and another just became a father so we will celebrate life, in more sense than one.. =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
and thanks guys =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm
R.I.P. LMN’s Mom… Try 2 have a good b-day brother… =(
April 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
amen
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
El Dirty sent me this picture:
http://thefix.ninemsn.com.au/img/tv/underbooby.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
SnB does this http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/03/nfl-issues-a-statement-on-drug-rumors/ge your mind on raji
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9412944/Some-ex-Horns-at-critical-points-in-NFL-careers- Huff on his performance
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
get the ufck outa here gayed up were tryin to have a MOMENT OF SILENCE for our bros ma..
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
It would make sense that Charged Up would show us that picture.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
im not defending vick but i can understand how a person can get into dog fighting as someone who has witnessed a few dog fights when i was younger i know how a person who is not that smart can continue to do it as they get older he knew it was illegal but he probably didnt know how wrong it was if he grew up around it and as he got older his friends wanted to use his money to fund it he probably wasnt strong willed enough to tell them no
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
who that was weird…. SnB does that change your mind on raji
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
You have to wonder if our defense is going to look and act the same or if Marshall can actually bring the best out of our defensive players. I sure hope that Huff can become a great safety.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Sorry about your mother LMN.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
15yo15yf – I can understand it as well but that still doesn’t make it right. Its like saying that a kid grew up watching his mother get beaten and now he starts beating up his girlfriend ala Chris Brown.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Yeah, 24 were all counting on the Huff we thought we drafted.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Charged up…
thanks, its 3½ years ago now, and these big dates its always a bit weird/tough :/ but sharing birthdates is something that will follow me for ever…
but thats life… Life is a tough thing happening to a human being..
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
LMN – I lost my mother 1/18/06. I feel your pain. I was 23 and she was 48.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Not this guy http://media.photobucket.com/image/vince%20young%20shirtless/ericka0602/vince-young-shirtless.jpg?o=1
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
http://media.photobucket.com/image/vince%20young%20shirtless/ericka0602/vince-young-shirtless.jpg?o=1
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Sorry for the duplicate
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I lost my virginity 6/23/83. I was 13, she was 19.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Lynn From Snot – I still believe we got the Huff everyone expected. The guy was great in coverage as a SS and like the rest of our defense, he struggled against the run. You can say that about everyone on our front 7 and that had alot to do with Rob Ryan’s idea’s and poor play calling as well as poor talent along the defensive line. The Secondary has been forced to constantly make tackles in the open field and Huff was not that kind of player in college and hes not that kind of player in the NFL.
Huff was an arm tackler. He was a coverage guy. Rob Ryan didn’t shore up this defense somehow and Huff struggled like everyone else. Anybody notice how all of our FS’s have struggled in this scheme? Thats because they’re left alone to cover the whole field by themselves while the corners are on an island with their man. It takes a few steps for a WR to catch a ball, get away from the corner and the FS is left alone to tackle him. There are going to be whiffs and mis tackles in those situations.
Also, its possible that Rob Ryan didn’t focus on keeping these guys sharp in their tackling skills.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
# Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Sorry about your mother LMN.
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Thats a start… classy move dude…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Sorry about your mother LMN. I just visited my Dad yesterday. I can’t imagine losing my mother too.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Charged Up – Anal sex with a strap on does not mean you lost your virginity.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
# 24 Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
LMN – I lost my mother 1/18/06. I feel your pain. I was 23 and she was 48.
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oh crap, thats was an early age :/
my mother was married for 41 years and died at an age of 65 so she had a good life, still to soon in my view, but compared to you i see im a bit lucky, if you can say that in cases like these…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
yo Lynn…
thats Huff with the bottle of Patron on the right… I dont know why there is no women in that picture… ilion
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
# Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I lost my virginity 6/23/83. I was 13, he was 19.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
What up Registered Nation
Great to see so many “new” posters.
I was all about A Mack in the 1st in a trade down.
Satele makes Mack redundant.
If Monroe, or one of the Smiths are there at #7…
I want one.
I want to see a dominant O line to go with the skill position assets we already have.
If we draft a WR I’d prefer it be 2nd round or later.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Yeah 408 total sausage fest .
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
yo Huff sorry 4 your loss.. I lost my Pop but I would loose my mind if I lost my Ma….
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
El Dirty sent me this picture:
http://thefix.ninemsn.com.au/img/tv/underbooby.jpg
I thought El Dirty was in prison? Not the bar where Charged Up’s band plays.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Sorry about your mother LMN. I just visited my Dad yesterday. I can’t imagine losing my mother too.
______________________________________________________
last year i was days away of losing my dad as well, also cancer, but he beat it, but it was a close call.. he got his colon removed :/
if he had kicked the sho3s, i would have been a basket case..
funny stuff is you battle with your parents as a teenager, but when in the 20’s you start to see how great they actually were…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
24…
did you get your child when she was alive or was that after she passed away?
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
RaiderLEN…
good to see you, I totally agree! one of the smith, and no to MACK now that we have Satele..
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I love this place… I want to buy all you guys a beer @ a game… Till then RAIDER ON NATION…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Draft Mack and move Satele 2 RG…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
my dad died when i was about 12 or 13 he wasnt around much be he was starting to clean up his act and then boom he was gone
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Me too 408? I drink Stella Artois.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I rememberhiw sick your Dad was LMN. I prayed for him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I will take you up on that 408, make it the opener after SD falls.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
So huff is all of a sudden gonna be a good safety, a he iss that struggles in run coverage is useless and he dosen’t hit worth anything I bet branch beat him out by the time the season starts.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
yes even U discharger dude.. Ur proved your human by your condolences 2 LMN.. Just get off Dirty’s nuts and well be cool…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
LMN – I don’t have any kids. I have been with my girlfriend for 8 years now. No marriage, no kids yet.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
STELLA!!!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Sorry about your mother LMN. I just visited my Dad yesterday. I can’t imagine losing my mother too.
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last year i was days away of losing my dad as well, also cancer, but he beat it, but it was a close call.. he got his colon removed :/
if he had kicked the sho3s, i would have been a basket case..
funny stuff is you battle with your parents as a teenager, but when in the 20’s you start to see how great they actually were
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LMN, this is a universal truth.
Provided the parents were responsible.
This, imo ,demonstrates that our humanity flows much deeper than any cultural influence.
Enough of that, Who do you want at #7?
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
24, what’s the deal? Why don’t you get married and start a family?
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
FREE DIRTY!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
24…
damn, why do i keep thinking you have a kid, jsut as i posted it, i was thinking i was maybe wrong…
well thats one of the big things that bothers me, that i never will be able to show her any kids not that i have any (not that i know of, at least)
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I love this place… I want to buy all you guys a beer @ a game… Till then RAIDER ON NATION…
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408, I’ll take a Kegger.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Take my kids ………pleeeeze
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
NoMoreFargas – I could care less who starts at safety. Let the best man win. I just hope that Huff can prove hes worth the #7 Overall pick. If Branch plays great and becomes a Pro Bowler, I’m definately ok with that too. I just want the best players.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I lost my Dad on my engagement day. I lost it for a year or so. He was my best friend. He never saw me get married, and he never saw my kids. I go visit, and talk. I wish I said a few things when he was listening, not under a few feet of dirt.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
LMN..
Da Princess….
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/DSCF2075.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Charged Up – That costs money and I don’t have enough.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Me too 408? I drink Stella Artois.
I bet! You need something to wipe down your gullet after you come out of the men’s bathroom in those SD bars
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
How sick, sorry LMN.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Oh we read alot…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
LMN, how ya doing?
I feel good things are about to happen on the field.
You realize You are the Raider rep in Denmark, Right?
Get allof Your fellow contrymen upon the good foot regarding our team.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
smell ya later NATION its time to P A R T Y
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
24, you don’t need money to get married.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
RaiderLEN
I honestly dont know…
Monroe, Jason or Andre…
Curry if we were so lucky he fell in our laps…
and even Raji, him i could live with, though i think Brace would be a better choice but not at #7..
But i do know, that I want Robiskie in 2nd!
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Charged Up – We both want to get married “our way” and that costs money. We want the wedding, not just the signing of a paper.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
You have a cute daughter 408. Need to get her a Charger jersey though.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
We moved in with family in order to make these things happen so the plan is underway.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
24, you don’t need money to get married.
Charged Up needs money to get divorced from Jethro though
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
it will never happen discharger dude…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Trolls 35 Raiders 0, why are you so mean? What did I ever do to you?
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Dakota,
I found property in Lead. Top of the hill, 5 acers, and a great view. He wants 40k an acre!!! He also said that’s what they go for. Is that true?
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
RaiderLEN
I honestly dont know…
Monroe, Jason or Andre…
Curry if we were so lucky he fell in our laps…
and even Raji, him i could live with, though i think Brace would be a better choice but not at #7..
But i do know, that I want Robiskie in 2nd
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lol, Robiskie looked very good at the combine. Very polished.
I wouldn’t mind that pick at all.
If Curry is there at 7 that would complete our LB core.
I’m still leaning towards O line if the right player is there, but I’d be happy with any player at 7 that makes the team better in 2009.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/408-1.gif
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Good luck with your plan 24. I wish you the best.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
408..
nice jersey shes got =) LOL
btw, GO SHARKS =) LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
dis b 4eva & Roxy…
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/DSCI0038.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
FREE DIRTY!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Dakota,
I also found a few 8 acre lots, but not with that view. I think I found a place, now I just have to find property.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Thanks…I wish everyone the best…unless you root for the Chargers haha. Just Kidding.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/raidernation.jpg
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
err umm huff you got that link still ??? you know the 1 with the cheerleader….
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Haha…No. That was a random find.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
damn…
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I’m out for awhile. Enjoy!
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
LMN, how ya doing?
I feel good things are about to happen on the field.
You realize You are the Raider rep in Denmark, Right?
Get allof Your fellow contrymen upon the good foot regarding our team.
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my countrymen suck!
they only showed all NFL games the last 8 years, so most danes think we suck (to be fair we have in that period) and when we were at teh SB, most rooted for TB, those bastards =) LOL
many patsies here, and steelers fans, some cowboys, NYGs, falcons and bills too…
most danes started as Morten Andersen fans, because he is the sole Dane making it in the NFL.. so they often chose to root for the team he have played for (saints, Falcons, NYG and sadly KC?!)
if we just won the division twice in a row, i can assure you we would have tons of raider fans.. the raider-way suits the danes…
I wear raider stuff daily, proud and loud! =) LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Later Nation.
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
—”The NFL has released a statement emphasizing that none of the 32 teams has or even the league office have been informed of the drug test results from the Combine. “The independent medical advisors who administer the tests have notified in writing those players and only those players who tested positive at the Combine. Unfortunately, rumors about draft eligible players … begin to circulate every year at this time. Many of these rumors are circulated for self-serving reasons and they are terribly unfair to the players and their families.” “—
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
does anybody here know who Ron turner had as QB when he chose to drop Cutler in college??
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Cavs are getting hammered by the magic.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
sorry about mom lmn….may god rest her sole
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
LMN, how ya doing?
I feel good things are about to happen on the field.
You realize You are the Raider rep in Denmark, Right?
Get allof Your fellow contrymen upon the good foot regarding our team.
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my countrymen suck!
they only showed all NFL games the last 8 years, so most danes think we suck (to be fair we have in that period) and when we were at teh SB, most rooted for TB, those bastards =) LOL
many patsies here, and steelers fans, some cowboys, NYGs, falcons and bills too…
most danes started as Morten Andersen fans, because he is the sole Dane making it in the NFL.. so they often chose to root for the team he have played for (saints, Falcons, NYG and sadly KC?!)
if we just won the division twice in a row, i can assure you we would have tons of raider fans.. the raider-way suits the danes…
I wear raider stuff daily, proud and loud! =) LOL
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lol, Keep up the good work.
Soon we will have a “New and Improved” product to present to the Danish masses.
You LMN are the Raider Nation foothold in Denmark.
You must hold your position, with better performance on the field, converts will arrive to support you in your efforts.
Fight the good fight.:)
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
thanks bro’
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
LMN, do you know Beowulf?
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Out for now.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
LEN..
I will! believe me, though i was majorly pissed when we released Gibril… and i wasnt much better when we didnt sign Shaffer, Robert Royal and leonard Weaver…
but hey, we are used to being pissed, arent we, so why not some more =) LOL
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
the viking? yeah.. or is it a band?
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Beowulf, the guy who killed Grendel.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:15 pm
yup… howcome you ask?
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Trolls 35 Raiders 0, why are you so mean? What did I ever do to you?
I like ribbing the faders because they brag about the SB’s they won when Moses was floating down the river in a basket. But a guy who comes on a fader website and brags about a team that hasn’t won chit has to be a real loser
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
He’s Danish also, I thought you might know him LMN.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Charged Up Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
He’s Danish also, I thought you might know him LMN.
Charge Up, do you knw Chris Squires?
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Squire
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
yeah, well most historians consider him as a fictional character, and might be the a source to the myth of king Arthur…
he is huge in english speaking countries, we mostly focus on the real ones, real vikings, the dane law and such…
our fictional hero is holger the dane, we “believe” he will come a protect us when our nation is in trouble, he then will awake of his sleep… below elsinore (the hamlet castle) is a great bust of him =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
No, I don’t know Chris Squire.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
crap its late, LOL
see you guys, i better crawl to bed =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I know of four Danes, Beowulf, Hamlet, Morten Anderson, and La Milicia Negra. Your my favorite.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Chris Squire lived in Tijuana for awhile. I would have bet that you would have met him at some point.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
thanks! just to be pedantic, its AnderSEN..
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
If Chris Squire is a friend of yours, I probably don’t want to know him.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pm
charged up..
i guess you know 5 then, last nights birthday boy 204 year old, LOL, H.C. Andersen… I assume you’ve heard about him too =)
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pm
yeah, thats it for me, night all, take care….
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Charged Up, you are seriously saying that you don’t know Chris? Google Chris Squire in Tijuana
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
How interesting, we have the Troll engaging Charged up. I put my money on the Troll to win the battle. My reasoning is the Troll has these cute little smiles and frowns to please the eye, where Charged Up is well just embarassing to admit he is a Charger fan, who has no musical taste.
I’m off heading home, you two go at it and also by the way Charged Up you forgot to include the following Danes in your comment above, Viggo Mortensen, Brigitte Nielsen, Hans Christian Andersen, and Victor Borge.
Carry on fellas, I’ll catch you later, and by the way Mr. Troll you maybe annoying to others but to me your the first troll I like.
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Thanx Raider Dell
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
yeah… you may be a troll but you’re our troll…
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/l245bbbecb43e6c1a02ece4nh4_011.gif
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
oh yeah 1st and last… Night NATION….
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
408….408….408….408!!!!
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RaiderDogg?
are you out there?”
LMN
Sorry I missed you buddy, what’s up?
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Hey RaiderDogg
Warren Hayes !!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I highly doubt that we will get Vick Jerry, but it was a fun read. I think Vick wants to be a starting QB, not a gadget player, and even though teams are not nationally advertising the fact that they would love to have him aboard, there are plenty that would welcome the situation with open arms. Vick is a (well, was a…) QB that consistantly got his team to the playoffs, and even got as far as the NFC championship once (where McNabb and the Eagles beat them). He will not come to some team for peanuts and be used as a gadget player/backup QB. Some team will be crazy enough to take a chance on him as a starter, but I do agree that he will be given no more than a 2 year contract until he can prove that he still has it. I hope the bastard doesn’t even get re-enstated really, I love dogs, fck Vick!
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
wow, I posted this comment 39 minutes after the previous one, I guess it’s past the Nation’s bed time…good night fellas…
April 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Hey it’s my little bitch Charged Down! What a treat, my little Blink-182 loving Mission Beach sissy. Always a pleasure, you wimpy little poser.
So how was the cover band tour?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
This speculation about Vick is just depressing. Troubling. Why would people even entertain this? It just saddens me to think that after all Vick has gone through, he might wind up with the Raiders. I wonder if it’s a condition of his release. He has to play in Oakland to complete his punishment?
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Raider dogg and Raider Dell
Here are my favorite blues artists in order…kind of:
Brownie Mcghee
Robert Johnson
Lightning Hopkins
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Warren Hayes
Howling Wolf
Willie Dixon
Huddy Leadbetter (led belly)
Muddy Waters
Mississippi Fred McDowell
Big Billy Broonzy
BB King
Bobbie Blue Bland
Big Momma Thornton
Eric Clapton
Son House
Johnny Winter
Bo Didly
Little Milton
Sonny Boy Williamson
Sonny Terry
Robert Cray
Please feel free to comment.
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I love the list.
I wanted to respond a few days ago, been real busy so I hope you catch the response.
Long story will keep it short, my dad was born and raised in Chicago,I was able to hear growing up many of the Chicago blues.
Here is my list in no particular order.
Luther Allison
Bo Diddley
Buddy Guy
Albert King
John Lee Hooker
Pinetop Perkins
Otis Rush
Arnold Moore
Jimmy Rushing
T-Bone Walker
Albert Collins
Ronnie Earl
Tommy Castro
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Johnny Winter
Willie Dixon
BB King
Muddy Waters
Robert Johnson
I have many more, just like those artists a little more than the other I won’t list.
Blues on!
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Lil Beeeeech, lol.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
I personally think if Andre Smith he’s a must do. Wit what we’ve done so far in FA to be able t top that off with a talent such as Smith would be a real coup. I just don’t think you pass a the chance to possibly have one of the better Olines in the league in just 3 years after ‘06 disaster.
IMO our WR corp is much better than what is widely believed. First of all I think Javon Walker is going to have a good year which helps the young guy’s tremendously. JLH and Schilens will show that they are more ready than most want to believe. Also Shields is a flat out player.
I feel we must get better in our pass rush to creat more t/o’s and that IMO will make us a playoff possibility.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Raider Dell Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I love the list.
I wanted to respond a few days ago, been real busy so I hope you catch the response.
I’ve tried several times to add my list but the mods must not like mine
I would add
John Mayall
Rory Gallagher
George Thorogood
Dr. Feelgood
Edgar Winter (not as good as Johnny though)
Aaron Meville
Dale Hawkins
My favorites though ♥
Peter Greene ♥♥
Eric Burdon ♥♥♥
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Also if Vick is agreeable to come to the Raiders, it’s a no brainer IMO. You simply do it for all the reasons Jerry mentioned, he gives a devastating attack. He would make the wildcat, hog whatever you wnat to call the scariest formation we’ll have. With him at QB and DMC and MBush in the backfield and take your pick of the WR’s Shields, Schilens, JLH…..whoever it’s indefensable. Too much speed to much talent and it gives you a QB under center or in the shotgun who’s capable of throwing it 50 yards with the snap of his wrist. He also would give us the mst dynamic backup QB in the league. You’re all of a sudden tyhe most difficult offense in the league to prepare for.
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
#845
Couldn’t agree more. It would certainly give all opposing DC’s nightmares. It would also let us focus draft-wise on rebuilding the lines and putting a Defense on the field that could stop the run.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I forgot Long John Baldry and Ry Cooder
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
The center position is key. We haven’t been any good since we lost Barrett Robbins. If Mack – C, UCB is the best center available and has the ability to start immediately, then I say if one of the 3 top OT’s are not available then take Mack. We’ve got potential starting OTs already including those coming off of IR, we may already have adequate talent for those positions. What we don’t have is a PB type center. Here’s what I think our needs in the draft really are (not in order of importance):
• center
• MLB
• Safety
• DT
• DE
• OG
• OT
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
This speculation about Vick is just depressing. Troubling. Why would people even entertain this?
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MaddenRaider has been wrong on everything he has ever posted. So, I am now officially now on the bring Mike Vick to Oakland Bandwagon. Bring him in as a Q, bring him in as a RB, bring him in to sit on the bench, just bring him here. Vicks bad energy is sure to supersede MaddenRaiders bad energy.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 pm
JB
You pretty much named every position except the skill positions. Which I happen to agree with for the most part. It gives us depth on the lines as well as some possible great starters.
This would IMO make us one of the most well biult teams in the league. I think for the most part we underestimate the talent on this team because we haven’t won. If you notice whenever we trade or release someone the ned up starting for the team that picks them up. For months everyone said Grove wasn’t a quality starter and I argued that he was. Well Parcells agrees. The same has been true with other ex-raiders. And Cable agrees that the team is very talented. We just haven’t had the QB nor the leadership to finish off teams. That is no longer the case. If we can score 20+ points a game I can almost gaurantee an 8+ win season. The talent is there to do this and those LT’s in the draft can top that off. A center can be had later in the draft who’s capable of starting. As well as depth at DE but if A Smith is gone I would love one of the LBers from USC.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
# JB Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Here’s what I think our needs in the draft really are (not in order of importance):
• center
• MLB
• Safety
• DT
• DE
• OG
• OT
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JB, let me add to this. Rich Gannon a former NFL QB, and league MVP, said last season on numerous occasions that we have the worst set of offensive tackles in the NFL. Clearly, we have tried to remedy that, but name one instance in recent NFL history, where a marquee offensive tackle was allowed to just wander off and become a star with another team. I can’t think of one. We tried with Kwame Harris last year, and you all saw how that ended up.
I also said, just look at the recent Conference Championship Teams. Zona/Philly and Pitt/Balt. Every one of those teams has an All Pro Safety. Not a Pro Bowl safety, oh no….An All Pro Safety. So, all that being said, I would say the Raiders number one need is Left Tackle, followed quickly by safety, center, DE, and then MLB. JMHO.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Oak I too at first was against Vick but when I read jerry’s article it just made too much sense. Vick would be HUGE here. Russell wouldn’t be threatened as a starter because as long as he continues his develpment he is going to be a complete monster. Vick will never be consumate pocket QB Russell can, based on size alone. Russell as a pocket passer is lightyears ahead of Vick. Russell’s ability to read defenses is ahead of Vick. But Vick would bring a dynamic to this team that would be unmatched. They could easily co-exist in the defined roles for a few years. Then maybe Vick moves on if he wants to start.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Think about it Vick as the slash (WR/QB/RB) of the Raiders, quite awesome thought really.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Priest, once again, I completely agree. You take one of the marquee LT prospects, and put him on our line, with no other changes to the team, and I bet this team goes from 5-11 to 9-7 just like that. Give us Oher, Monroe, Smith, and we will be a winning team. How do I know? Well, Cleveland was 4-12, drafted Joe Thomas, the team went 10-6 with Derek Anderson going to the Pro Bowl. Was Derek Anderson really that good???? No. Joe Thomas was.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
I am usually pretty tough on athletes that think they are above the law.
I think what Mike Vick did was terrible.
I love dogs.
But for some reason I can’t work up the anger that every one says I should feel.
If he had hurt a child I would wish death upon him.
I don’t really want the headache that it would bring with him on the team, but I wouldn’t boycott either.
Just my 2 cents.
April 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Priest I know Vick and his situation pretty well. This Vick guy is pretty damn remarkable. He’s just a winner. That’s what he is. He won in college, he has won in the pro’s, he’s just a winner. As a huge animal advocate myself, I HATE to think what this guy is and what he has become, but if you could somehow bring him in, and sit him down, and let him get back into shape, and hopefully become serious about his life, and the game of pro football, he is an absolutely marvelous player.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Remember when we thought this guy would be the franchise QB:
Associated Press
SANTA ANA, Calif. — Former Los Angeles Raiders quarterback Todd Marinovich is back in jail.
Authorities say the 39-year-old Marinovich was arrested Friday after missing a drug rehabilitation progress review in a Newport Beach court earlier this week. He was being held at the Orange County Jail without bail.
He pleaded guilty two years ago to possession of methamphetamine, syringe possession and resisting arrest. Prosecutors say the judge placed Marinovich on five years of probation at the sentencing hearing and ordered him to spend one year at a drug rehabilitation center.
In all, Marinovich has nine prior cases in the Orange County courts.
Marinovich was a first-round draft pick out of Southern California and played for the Raiders from 1991-93.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:42 am
sooooooo drunk
April 4th, 2009 at 1:54 am
sometimes you just gotta be drunk =)
April 4th, 2009 at 2:06 am
yep
April 4th, 2009 at 2:16 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/04/AR2009040400168.html
effing turks, funny thing is, we fought for freedom of speech and now it will bite us in the azz..
Obama inst fighting for us, though we have been your best allie for more than 9 years… though i didnt like Bush, we know he would have fought his azz of for us :/
April 4th, 2009 at 2:21 am
4eva..
up late, huh?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:32 am
yep but its early now!!!How was da B-Day with army buddys???
April 4th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Post #725.
Thanks for the link to the Michael Huff comments.
“The last two years, I wouldn’t say that I lost my love for the game, but I did lose my enthusiasm for the game.”
Yes, we noticed Michael. Gee, I hope you’re feeling ok in the coming year.
Holy Toledo! That’s two out of the three years he’s been playing for us?! No wonder Cable sat him down for Hiram Eugene. Aso must have loved working with this guy.
What a comment!
Stop stealing money Huff! It could be used to pay someone who want to play.
In fact give some of it back.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
4eva…
thats tonight…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
E-Raider…
LOL, yeah put the kid straight =)
April 4th, 2009 at 2:46 am
4eva ive just got up from bet, watching F1 qual…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:46 am
that would be beD =)
April 4th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Charged UP:
(Posts 813&816).
I can see why you’re a Chargeless fan.
Beowulf is in an Old English heroic epic. He was an Anglo-Saxon-(English).
April 4th, 2009 at 3:02 am
EnglandRaider…
no he wasnt… yes the ext is from england but it takes place in Denmark and what now is sweden…
go look it up…
April 4th, 2009 at 3:03 am
ooops
April 4th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Beowulf is an Old English heroic epic poem of unknown authorship, dating as recorded in the Nowell Codex manuscript from between the 8th[1] to the early 11th century,[2] and relates events described as having occurred in what is now Denmark and Sweden. Commonly cited as one of the most important works of Anglo-Saxon literature, Beowulf has been the subject of much scholarly study, theory, speculation, discourse, and, at 3182 lines, has been noted for its length.
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THE TEXT WAS ANGLO SAXON!!! and it was from the part of England that was under Danish Rule… thereby DANISH… the story occured in DENMARK!
April 4th, 2009 at 3:06 am
4eva its noon here (saturday) LOL
April 4th, 2009 at 3:10 am
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
April 4th, 2009 at 3:15 am
LMN:
That’s correct, but Beowulf is from an OLD English epic. The fact that it’s set in Denmark is neither here nor there. The Anglo-Saxons came from Germany and many of the English are of Danish/Norweigan heritage(John Cleese). Over the centuries England has been ruled by many Danish kings.
You must have heard of King Canute?
His attempt with the ocean was pretty much what the Raider teams have been doing in the past six years: trying to stop something they can’t.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:29 am
England Raider…
…and thats all we have been saying…
yeah I know my viking history, and I know very much about England from 600-1066.. all areas that matter then was under Danish rule,( the Norwegians was just a subsidiary of the Danish throne)
its anglo-saxon, well most historians are pretty sure its somene of danish decent who is the author, because if it was an REAL anglo-saxon the language would have been totally different..
its only huge in english speaking countries because of De Vere, earl of Oxford, oxford and York was some of the most important cities in Dane LAW… which also contributes to the claim its danish…
but you are right the text was found in what is england now, that you got right…
April 4th, 2009 at 3:31 am
anglo-saxon came to england in the ~400 and the danes in 600-700..
Anglo-saxon kept to the southern part of england and the Danish (Norwegians) to the west, middle and northern parts of england…
April 4th, 2009 at 3:31 am
LMN:
I’m going to go make myself a bacon buttie now-with Danish bacon if that’s ok.
Just kidding LMN.
Happy birthday tomorrow.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:37 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Canute.PNG
the part was Danish…
anglo-saxon more or less stopped excisting with the arrival the danes, and after 1066 you became french when the danish ancestors lost to the Normans(which also was of danish descent)
April 4th, 2009 at 3:37 am
that should have been the RED part is danish..
April 4th, 2009 at 3:39 am
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thanks, please do make some food out of Danish bacon, not that we need the export, but we always loved to ship more piggies over to you guys…
you gave us soccer, so thats the least thing we can do =)
April 4th, 2009 at 3:44 am
LMN:
I just read post 876.
Yes, there is a scholarly arguement about the origin of the document.
If the origin is England then some would still claim it to be Danish because of the fact that England and Denmark have been ruled by the same Danish king.
The English are a mix of peoples, with the Germans and Scandinavians being a large part of that.
My ancestry is Scottish and the clan dates back to a viking from Norway.
Now I’m really going for that bacon buttie.
Happy birthday again tomorrow again.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:47 am
and thanks again, go eat two, those piggies deserved it =)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:36 am
What up the more and more i think about it al is gonna draft maclin or one of the real athletic Ends which ever is left and no way curry makes it to 7#,
April 4th, 2009 at 4:46 am
Good morning Raider fans! I thought this might bring back some memories:
http://www.trojanwire.com/0829_todd_marinovich_mugshot.jpg
April 4th, 2009 at 4:47 am
LOL when is it from? is it a new arrest?
he looks a bit like Garcia =)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Yeah, he was arrested yesterday. I also read that his young brother, a QB at Syracuse, has been arrested.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Albert Bigelow Paine:
I remember. A classic case of how to screw up your life.
Maronovich seemed like the perfect guy to be a Raider quarterback.
Check out Post #857 where you can see a detailed list of his rap sheet.
It’s too bad about him. It kind of makes you leary about the news stories about Raji.
I was hoping we’d get Raji and somehow target Mack.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Anna Karina, 60s model and film star, who was in many Jean Luc Godard movies, is also Danish LMN:
http://www.filmbrain.com/photos/uncategorized/anna1.jpg
April 4th, 2009 at 4:55 am
man those poor kids, their father totally effed them up…
April 4th, 2009 at 4:56 am
ABP…
Cool, didnt know that! thanks for the info =)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:56 am
I was in high school when the Raiders drafted Marinovich. I thought he was going to be the next Ken Stabler.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:02 am
we all did
April 4th, 2009 at 5:05 am
I can’t say I ever thought he’d be the next Stable.
There will always only be one Snake.
But you’re right Albert, Marinovich looked to be perfect for us.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:06 am
I loved todd at usc I remember when he was on the cover of some California magazine and you read what a ballbuster his dad was .
April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 am
well we hoped anyway.Man Todd looks worse than rough
April 4th, 2009 at 5:10 am
just like we all thought Gallery was the next Shell… though at the time im was more for Fitzy, still understood why they took him, i thought he was da man…
now he might be the top3 guard… still okay, we just shouldnt have given him that much time at Tackle when it was obvious he wasnt shell…
April 4th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Michael Huff may be the next Patrick Bates.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:12 am
NMF…
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:55 am
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April 4th, 2009 at 5:16 am
when i think of marinowich i think of..
♫ And the walls came down all the way to hell
Never saw them when they’re standing
Never saw them when they fell ♫
April 4th, 2009 at 5:17 am
My favorite qb will always be Plunkett to come off the bench twice not once but 2 times and lead the greatest team ever I swear anytime they show anything about the 83′ team I tear up to beat the defending SB champs that bad and the squad Plunkett,Allen,Christiansen,M.Haynes,L.Hayes,Howie,Lyle,
Townsend,VanMac,Branch,Millen,Hendricks,Martin,Squirek
who ever whips a defending SB champ that bad 38-9
April 4th, 2009 at 5:18 am
How did Tigers dad do or is Tiger just a once in a life time type of cool with dad putting so much on him.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:22 am
NMF..
Lewis Hamiltons father has been cool to, though i dont like hamilton, he sure has his father to thank for his success..
April 4th, 2009 at 5:22 am
Patrick Bates was a bust alright but I don’t know that Huff is important enough to be in the top fifty.
The poor guy lost his enthusiam for the game he says. Maybe he can buy another some more at Sakks Fifth Avenue with all that Raider money.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Plunkett was/is great. He was great at Stanford too. An unassuming guy with great control of the team and the game. A class act.
It’s pathetic that he’s not in the Hall of Fame.
I see Al’s is starting to push that. He’s up against that east coast bias.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:27 am
gee,I dont think I like this anymore
April 4th, 2009 at 5:36 am
somebody needs 2 light a fire under Huff’s butt
April 4th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Light a fire under Huff’s butt?
We could start the fire with all that paper money the Raiders are wasting on him.
You’d think he would get the idea from watching Aso at work.
Maybe Jack Tatum could have a word with him, show him how to hit, how to tackle, how to be responsible for your position.
Of course we don’t want Jack scaring him into being even less enthusiastic.
I don’t get Huff. He’s got talent but he’s not a first.
It would be nice to see him pull it together though and show us what he’s capable of. I don’t think Cable wants guys who lose their enthusiasm and I don’t think he’s going to have any patience with it.
For the first time in the last six murderous years the Raiders are looking good. It’s either play or get lost.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:01 am
take care guys, im going out for a beer or two =) and to enjoy the fantastic weather…
4eva… arent you going to get some sleep? you are worse than me =) LOL
April 4th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Where is the huff that cost usc a 3 national title i want that guy not the one we got.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
NMF:
Seems like Huff can’t find him either.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 am
And I’m off to watch some rugby.
Now there’s a game Jack Tatum would love-constant hitting and no pads.
Actually there is probably talent for the NFL in rugby, they’ve got the hitting down pat and just need to read the NFL rule book.
The Raiders should scout out some of the younger rugby players in Europe, send a scout over here, scout Billy Twelvetrees maybe.
Al, if you’re reading the posts now that they’re all cleaned up as well reading Jerry, I’d be glad to volunteer for that job.
I’ll even fly to Oakland to pick up the check.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Huff didnt flourish under Rob Ryan but other than Nnamdi who did ? If Huff doesn’t improve with new DC than go ahead and throw him under the bus.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:11 am
If we draft an OT with the 7th overall pick we’ll have about ten of them in camp at the same time.
Tom Cable will officially become the Jon Gruden of offensive tackles.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:49 am
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