Would Raiders take Heyward-Bey at No. 7?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, April 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am in Oakland Raiders.
The NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, generally one of the more respected draft analysts around and a guy who was linked to the Raiders a couple years back as a potential personnel hire, had a surprise pick for Oakland with the No. 7 overall pick.
Virtually everyone who has Oakland picking a wide receiver has the Raiders selecting either Texas Tech’s Michael Crabtree or Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin.
Mayock paired the Raiders with Maryland’s Darius Heyward-Bey.
“He’s a height-weight-speed specialist. The fastest guy at the combine,” Mayock said. “This is an Al Davis special. You pair him with JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden.”
Mayock didn’t have Crabtree taken in the first ten picks. He said Davis focuses on height, weight and speed and that “Crabtree is not fast enough for him.”
Heyward-Bey’s career stats weren’t necessarily what you’d expect from the fastest receiver in the draft _ 138 catches 2,089 yards, 13 touchdowns.
Which could have something to do with inconsistent quarterback play, frequent double teams and a lot of Cover 2 defenses which wouldn’t let him get deep. Or it could be he’s a track guy who isn’t necessarily a fluid receiver.
Regardless, if Davis were to be enamored with Heyward-Bey, the Raiders could consider moving back in the draft and getting additional picks. Most mock drafts don’t have Heyward-Bey going in the second half of the first round.
OTA schedule
According to an NFL release, the Raiders have scheduled the following dates for the 14 organized team activity sessions they are allowed as part of their offseason workout program: May 19-21; June 2-4; June 9-11; June 16-18.
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April 4th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I don’t see it happening.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
hahahaha its too late for April Fools!
April 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Maybe Mayock is helping the Raiders by throwing everyone off track. The truth could be that the Raiders want Crabtree and Mayock is helping by diverting the attention to Heyward-Bey instead.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:41 am
# 24 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Maybe Mayock is helping the Raiders by throwing everyone off track. The truth could be that the Raiders want Crabtree and Mayock is helping by diverting the attention to Heyward-Bey instead.
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Only Al doesn’t care what the rest of the league thinks.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Top 10 draft steals for the Oakland Raiders
http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2009m4d3-Top-10-draft-steals-for-the-Oakland-Raiders
April 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
If Al wants what he wants, he will do it in secret fashion. The only way to play that off is to keep people guessing. He probably won’t even draft a WR since everyone seems to think he will. Its gotten so bad, Mayock thinks we’ll pick the 4th best WR ahead of everyone else at the #7 spot. With that in mind, we’re probably picking one of the OT’s or DE’s.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
IMO, taking a WR at the top of the draft is sorta like food poisoning. Chances are that you won’t die from it, but you are not going to feel well for a while and ultimately you did nothing to improve the overall health of the system.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Thats a big Oh Hell no.
He will be there in the 2nd round without any doubt.
I was shocked when I read that with Mayock.
Oakland taking him before Maclin or Crabree.
Then again, not like we have had wonderful success in the draft so it wouldn’t exactly surprise me, then again with this off season, things have been different
April 4th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Not a Chance, No Way, We’ll Take Crab or Maclin if were going WR…..
We HAVE TO HAVE someone to stuff the Run, I really dont need another pass catcher…
We have to go D….
April 4th, 2009 at 9:56 am
hay raji theres a product called ” golden seal ” use it next time you test
April 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The only WR we’re taking is Ramses Barden in the third round.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Its to hard to sell myself on Javon “I need a” Walker and Chaz (7th Round) Schilens to carry this team. Higgins has turned the corner but is he going to continue to progress? If Walker and Schilens fail us this year, we’re back at square one again and looking to another 7th round pick or a Drew Carter type to help us get out of the WR hole. If you draft Crabtree now and expect him to develop as a #1 WR, you give Javon, JLH and Chaz a chance to be successful and if it doesn’t pan out, you’ve already got the backup plan working in the background.
Then…when next year rolls around, Crabtree is one year in and more talented and ready than the other guys we would need to draft or bring in.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Whoever it is that the Raiders ultimately select I will support them as a member of the Silver and Black but trench warfare is the game that needs to be won before the gazelles can roam freely to leap and prance their stuff successfully.
Draft big uglies.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:07 am
DHB will be a good pick if we can trade down.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I like Ramses in the 4th.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:12 am
This is a perfect draft scenario for us, and one that screams for Denver or the Jets to trade up to 7 and get in front of SF.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am
O Mock draft 11.0:
1- Orakpo since Raji is on drugs
2- Brace
3- David Bruton/ JB
4- Ramses Cal Poly/ JB
6- OL
7- best player available.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am
I honestly think that any of the top tier recievers in this draft could help us. DHB has an amazing combination of physical tools, but doesn’t have the stats. Crabtree is sort of the opposite, and Maclin is a burner type who has the stats. We will also be in position to pick a top flight OT as well. This will be a fun draft I think.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Or trade down:
1- DHB
1- from the trafe jarron Gilbert/ M Johnson
2- Brace
3- Bruton
4- Ramses or JB
5- from the trade LB
7- best player available
April 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
whats hard about this draft is we need to give russel all the weapons we can for him to have a brake out year…but we have to stop the run… so whats the best thing to do ?was our run d the last years because of personal or because of ryan? Do we let marshal have a year to get his d in place and draft for russel this year ? keeping the d off the field will help them out but can they stop the run ? the colt have had sucsess with a ok d and keep giving maning weapons on the off..so what is really the best for the team as a whole ?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Raider O,
who was that DE from Cincinnati that ran a 4.4something in the 40?
anyway, Andre bailed on the combine (fat and a head case), BJ showed up on drugs to the combine (fat and exceedingly dumb), Crabs proved to be both smaller and slower than expected (plus a miniscule Wonderlic), I fear Orakpo is the next Gholston, Maclin looks like JLH without NFL experience…and on it goes in the world of shooting craps.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
We don’t have a 6th due to the Satele trade.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Curry and the top 2 OTs will not last to the 7th. If we don’t trade Down, then we have to pick the best player available since we need help on every position except HB, QB, CB, and TE.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I don’t know his name M, but I’m sure Al does.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Or trade down:
1- DHB
1- from the trafe jarron Gilbert/ M Johnson
2- Brace
3- Bruton
4- Ramses or JB
5- from the trade LB
7- best player available
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1 DHB
1 Mauluaga
2 Connor Barwin
3 Best DT left on the board
4 Best G left on the board
April 4th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Between all the needs we have to fill- oline, dline, wr and trying to second guess AD this will be a fun draft. Don’t recall AD ever trading down but this might be the year to do it.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Jhill,
G over S!!
April 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I like your draft, but not the 4th. Rey will be gone in 1st 16 picks. IMO
April 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
“Regardless, if Davis were to be enamored with Heyward-Bey, the Raiders could consider moving back in the draft and getting additional picks. Most mock drafts don’t have Heyward-Bey going in the second half of the first round”
^^^^^
What you state here Jerry should be the case if the old man is truly enamored by Heyward-Bey. The smart move would be to deal down!
As much as I hate to say it but our division rivals the orange pony broncos maybe become ideal trading partners.
The Niners may be trading partners as well….because those two teams will want Sanchez!
The only way Denver gets Sanchez is to trade up.
The Jags and Niners may take Sanchez so if the broncos really want Sanchez they better talk to the Raiders and about the #12 and #18 pick they have! LOL
April 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
M Lonetree Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Raider O,
who was that DE from Cincinnati that ran a 4.4something in the 40?
anyway, Andre bailed on the combine (fat and a head case), BJ showed up on drugs to the combine (fat and exceedingly dumb), Crabs proved to be both smaller and slower than expected (plus a miniscule Wonderlic), I fear Orakpo is the next Gholston, Maclin looks like JLH without NFL experience…and on it goes in the world of shooting craps.”
M
What about DE Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech? Johnson ran an unofficial 4.49 at his Pro Day. Walterfootball.com has the Raiders drafting him with their first pick.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
O,
Until Huff is traded, yes.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Gotta say I like the new troll-free board. Good job Bay Area News Group
April 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Also walterfootball.com has the Raiders drafting Heyward-Bey in the 2nd round with the 40th pick. Will he still be on the board at #40?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
007,
The question should be, if they want The USC QB, are they willing to trade with us?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Jhill,
Do you think Huff will play better for Marshal?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I really don’t care about the names, O. If we could trade down and pick up an extra #1, that would be a dream scenario. Even if we stay at 7, as long as we get a DE, WR, LB, anb a OG out of this draft, I will be a happy camper. I don’t really care what order those positions are drafted in, we just need some immediate help at those positions.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am
RaiderDogg,
good morning. A DE at #7 wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. I prefer having the O-line upgraded but an elite DE is okay. Didn’t know that MJ was so fast.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I think has a CHANCE to play much better under Marshall as you won’t see the single deep safety with him. I think Huff should be able to play half the field with no problem.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am
M
I have heard rumblings about MJ’s work ethic, but that never seems to scare Davis off.
I think if the Raiders do trade down, it will be after the 6th pick is made and someone like Eugene Monroe or Andre Smith is still on the board, although how do the Raiders pass up on Monroe?
Draft day should be very interesting to say the least. My Bday is 3 days before the draft and my wife is throwing me a party on draft day. Nothing but bbq’ed steaks, hotlinks, Carolina style pulled pork (my specialty) and of course many beverages. By the time everyone shows up, the draft should be well into the 2nd round and I will already be celebrating the genius behind the Raider’s first 2 picks!
April 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
If the Raiders did make a deal with the ponies for those two picks….then the old man and cable can really add some talent to the roster in many different ways. The Raider options would be nice and wide open….it just depends on whether the old man and cable are afraid to deal with a division rival and the thought of the ponies getting Sanchez?? Nahhhh
For example…with the 12th pick the Raiders can then look at Heyward-Bey, Tyson Jackson, Raji or Maualuga.
With the 18th pick….they can look at Ayers, Britton, Jerry, Mack, Bey, Britt,
The 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounders can be used to fill the voids from whatever they didn’t fill with the two first rounders.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Sorry to be contrarian but I highly doubt that the Bronco’s and Raiders will be trade partners in the first round. Rarely do division rivals help each other out in the first round.
I see the Rams as the Bronco’s best bet for a trade partner. I could be wrong.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
we need plaxico burress
April 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
The old man has already made more than his fair share of mistakes. I don’t think that even he would be dumb enough to make a trade with the Broncos or even dumb enough to pick a WR in this years draft.
The dude from England and LMN had a real interesting conversation on Beowulf on the last thread. It’s funny how those stories start and people think that they originate in their regions. I grew up in a small town where there was a story about La Llorona. I grew up thinking that she only lived in my small town. As I started travelling I met other people from other areas and they all thought La Llorona only resided in there towns.
Take me for instance my roots go all the way to Spartica and I am a direct decendant of King Leonidas. NO WONDER CAMEL JOCKIES DON’T MESS WITH ME :TWISTED:
April 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
I’be rather have Amani Toomer as opposed to Plax.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
April 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I agree Jhill, as long as we fix the problems. who cares what order we draft them, as long as they can start from day 1. Branch was a 4th, and he will have a chance to start this season.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am
The Raiders should trade their #7 pick to the Eagles for their #21 and #28 picks. The point value is even, and the Raiders need more picks in this draft. They could still get DHB with one of these aquired picks and have another to boot. Go Cable and Davis!
April 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Thx for the insult Trolls, I’m an Arab/ American.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
That is the third person Mayock has had us taking this year.
Remember last month he said we would still take a LT at #7
Then in February before teh combine he had us taking Crabtree.
So what am I supposed to believe?
None we trade down this year its simple.
Al Davis has said he is happy with his young receivers.
Great read on the 10 greatest draft steals by us….people sit in here and complain all day long about how crappy of a drafter Al Davis is
the article proves otherwise.
http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2009m4d3-Top-10-draft-steals-for-the-Oakland-Raiders
April 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Raider O Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Thx for the insult Trolls, I’m an Arab/ American.
I was talking only about the militant types
Didn’t mean to step on someone’s feelings.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I just read on another web site that Bush and the 2nd round pick were traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson. The trade will be announced Monday after medical clearances.
I hate to see Bush go, but the trade can be good if Johnson keeps his mouth shut and just catches passes. If true, this can put a different spin on draft selections.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:26 am
It’s not about feelings, just respect.
Trolls,
People in that area don’t hate Americans. Some do, but most young people like us. They dress and act just like us. I have many friends from here that go work there for a few years due to the demand and Income.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:29 am
By the way. If ever want to go there, let me know. I still have family and friends there. They will be glad to show you around.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Good mornin fellas and you to Mr. Troll.
All this draft talk sounds like a good time for a lunch break.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Trolls,
There are a lot of Roman Empire Ruins there, you will enjoy it.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Will the Raiders take Heyward-Bey with the overall #7??? No. The reason: He does not have a passion for the game that a guy you are going to sink 10’s of millions of dollars should. If the Raiders were an NBA team, yeah, you might think about it.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ron Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I just read on another web site that Bush and the 2nd round pick were traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson. The trade will be announced Monday after medical clearances.
I hate to see Bush go, but the trade can be good if Johnson keeps his mouth shut and just catches passes. If true, this can put a different spin on draft selections.”
I heard about this on Wednesday under the guise of April Fool’s Day.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
RaiderDell, good morning.
RaiderDogg, sounds like you have it all together to get you a great b’day/draft party. Carolina pulled pork for all!
Ron, seriously? Bush and #2 for 85? That doesn’t sound good for the S and B.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Morning Dell, SNB666 and OG
April 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am
M
If you live in the Sonoma County area you are welcome to come by. Good morning by the way.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Morning fellas. Tell whoever is posting that the Raiders traded Mike Bush and a 2nd rounder for 85 to get a cup of coffee, splash some ice water on their face, and sober up.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Raider Dell Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 1st, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Raider dogg and Raider Dell
Here are my favorite blues artists in order…kind of:
Brownie Mcghee
Robert Johnson
Lightning Hopkins
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Warren Hayes
Howling Wolf
Willie Dixon
Huddy Leadbetter (led belly)
Muddy Waters
Mississippi Fred McDowell
Big Billy Broonzy
BB King
Bobbie Blue Bland
Big Momma Thornton
Eric Clapton
Son House
Johnny Winter
Bo Didly
Little Milton
Sonny Boy Williamson
Sonny Terry
Robert Cray
Please feel free to comment.
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I love the list.
I wanted to respond a few days ago, been real busy so I hope you catch the response.
Long story will keep it short, my dad was born and raised in Chicago,I was able to hear growing up many of the Chicago blues.
Here is my list in no particular order.
Luther Allison
Bo Diddley
Buddy Guy
Albert King
John Lee Hooker
Pinetop Perkins
Otis Rush
Arnold Moore
Jimmy Rushing
T-Bone Walker
Albert Collins
Ronnie Earl
Tommy Castro
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Johnny Winter
Willie Dixon
BB King
Muddy Waters
Robert Johnson
I have many more, just like those artists a little more than the other I won’t list.
Blues on!
April 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am
The dumb move would be for the old man not to play his cards right now that teams like broncos and niners and maybe even J-Ville will want Sanchez.
The old man and cable need to be SMART and play the #7 pick to their advantage.
The #7 pick should be used as bait big time now with Sanchez being the fish that those teams want to catch!
April 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am
RaiderDogg,
Chad keeping his mouth shut? Maybe if is dosed with the correct drugs, but divas don’t go quietly into the night, they just get older and more insecure.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Mornin M, Raider Dogg and OakGlenn,
Anybody you want to add to the blues list, I’m all ears.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:47 am
It would make a lot of sense for the donkos to work a trade w detroit or St Louis before us. I can’t see AD doing it.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:48 am
007,
Teams will wait until the draft b/c Sanchez and Stafford could both be gone before 7. They would look pretty silly trading fot #7 now, and someone swoops in on draft day and trades with Cleveland.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
RaiderDogg,
thanks for the invite. Don’t know where I’ll be on that day or even if I’ll yet be in the area.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Jelly Roll Morton and Robert Johnson.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
M
Good start, Robert Johnson was on the list any others.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Seriously…Crabtree or Anquan Boldin. Make it happen.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
No Professor Longhair??????????? Sacrilege.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am
24
Where will you be on draft day? Last year didn’t you have to go to your brothers place in Redding Ca for some work and missed the draft.
Did I remember that right.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Anquan Boldin
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 85 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Boldin is a big, tough and competitive receiver. He makes an excellent No. 2 receiver playing alongside Larry Fitzgerald. He is willing to do the dirty work like going across the middle or clearing an area for the other receivers. He lacks premier top-end speed, but is an excellent route-runner and has become a top intermediate receiver in Arizona’s package. He is fluid, athletic and has decent agility and quickness to separate from defenders.
He runs good routes and does a good job of finding the soft spots in zones and settling into an area to provide a target for the quarterback. He has soft, natural hands that can reach out and pluck the ball away from his body or highpoint the ball in a crowd. He powers his way through the press more often than beating it with quickness and rarely allows himself to get re-routed by corners. He is a strong, competitive runner after the catch who will gain positive yards, but is not apt to take too many short passes all the way. He is a smart receiver who can read coverages and has a very good feel for the passing game. He is more than just a willing blocker and knows how to do the little things to take his game to the next level
April 4th, 2009 at 11:58 am
RaiderDell,
my mistake, missed RJ in quick scan. You going to be DJ at Dogg’s b’day party or are you going to be on your well-deserved holiday?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Let me add a few more blues artists that may not be a favorite of some,
Magic Sam
Robert Nighthawk
Mr. Troll on the last post had some good artists as well.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Raider Dell – You’re close. I went to Redding, CA on my own terms because my brother lives there. When it comes to football, my brother and I have a great relationship. Its the thing that keeps us close. With that being said, we use football as a way of getting together and the only reason I would ever travel to Redding. I go there for the NFL Draft and the Superbowl. His birthday is April 29th so its always around the draft as well.
This year will be interesting because hes a Cowboys fan and the Raiders/Cowboys play in Oakland during the 1st Pre-Season game and on Thanksgiving Day so hopefully I can get him to come out here to the Coliseum. He worries that he won’t see much of the starters but I reminded him that the starters play the most during the 1st 2 pre-season games before taking a backseat to the younger players in the last 2. We don’t get together on the Holidays usually but we can’t miss the Cowboys/Raiders matchup so I’ll be there this year.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ron Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I just read on another web site that Bush and the 2nd round pick were traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson. The trade will be announced Monday after medical clearances.
I hate to see Bush go, but the trade can be good if Johnson keeps his mouth shut and just catches passes. If true, this can put a different spin on draft selections.”
I heard about this on Wednesday under the guise of April Fool’s Day.
^^^^^^^
Now this would be a stupid move…..if the old man wants to trade for WR, then it should be for Boldin and not some prima donna.
I would rather have Boldin or Crabtree ahead of C Johnson.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
M
I’m sure RaiderDogg guest have a variety of musical taste, to only have blues at a party would probably ruin his b-day.
I’m sure R-dogg would love the selection, besides beer and steaks sounds like a good party.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Anyone interested there’s a radio broadcast from the South Pole with a limited but interesting array at ANETSTATION. Cool to listen to bradcast from way down yonder.
Peace out and Raider on.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
i dont want a reciever with #7. i dont even want #7. trade it to philly for both there picks. use 1 on a dl and one on a safty. use our second round pick on a wr. still could get britt or robishie.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
24
The Raiders play the Cowgirls on Thanksgiving, you may have to have a day for both of you in a supervised location to protect the winner to be a part of this great game and the holiday makes it that much better.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Also…my brother is a fighter and he worries that he’ll get into a fight in Oakland as he will wear his Cowboys jersey. I can understand that but its a rare occasion. It would be tougher for me because I’d have to back my brother up against other Raiders fans. Besides, I doubt there would be much of a problem during a pre-season game. The stadium is half full at those games.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
M
Have a good day.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Raider Dell – haha. Luckily…we have been able to co-exist with each other. It helps that I’m a fan of the AFC West and hes a fan of the NFC East. We don’t cross paths too much and we’ve become fans of each others teams respectively. I follow the Cowboys as a 2nd team and he follows the Raiders as a 2nd team. We got very competitive about the game the last time the 2 played but the Raiders were successful in that game so I’ve held the edge in this for many years since. I can only hope to continue that legacy haha.
I’ve actually been to the Cowboys stadium when they last had a pre-season game together. We lost unfortunately but I was stationed in Altus, Oklahoma and made the drive to Irving, Texas with my Supervisor, who happened to be a Cowboys fan. Cool stuff. I’d love to go to the new Cowboys stadium to see this years game. That would be fun.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Twocents Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am
The only WR we’re taking is Ramses Barden in the third round
^^^^^^
It would be a good pick….but who do you think the old man and cable are targeting at #7 if there is no trade down?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Dell
I had the honor of seeing Pinetop Perkins at Biscuits and Blues in SF. It took him 10 minutes to get from the sidestage to his piano, but man could that guy still play! In his 80’s playing the piano like a hungry, young musician.
I imagine that the way the Raiders draft may have an influence on the music selections on draft day.
I would like to add Sonny Landreth & Tab Benoit to the list of Blues musicians. Sonny plays a mean slide and Tab plays mean blues with a Louisiana influence.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Why not consider Malcolm Jenkins at S?.
Look at the options available and the value of the pick, for 20 million bucks I’d like:
1.- An everydown player…checked.
2.- A productive college history…checked.
3.- A kid with intangibles: leadership, smarts and desire…checked.
4.- No off the field issues…checked.
5.- Not an extensive medical history…checked.
M. Jenkins is a 10 year starter with Pro Bowl potential, a higher floor than anyone else available at 7th and Ed Reed type potential as a playmaker.
We haven’t had one of those since Rod Woodson.
The Raiders liked to use a similar player in Charles Woodson (CW was better) as a FS, I think Jenkins could step right into that role.
“Some people think day one he’s a Pro Bowl free safety,” said Mike Mayock. “He’s got the size and the strength and the physicality to play the position.”
Last time I checked, we don’t have one of those.
Trade Huff for a 4th or 5th round pick, draft Macolm Jenkins and plug him in at FS next to Tyvon Branch from day 1.
Maybe then we can stop looking for the next great Raider Safety (Bates, Gibson, Schweigert, Huff…).
April 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
- Check this article on the Safety position:
“Safety position evolving, thanks to dynamic talents of current stars.
INDIANAPOLIS — Over time, cornerbacks such as Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lott were moved to safety because they had lost a step.
They still had coverage skills, and their ability to set defenses from a wider scope, match up with slot receivers and tight ends, and fearlessly take on running backs near the line of scrimmage made them valuable.
And they prospered.
The trend is to find cover safeties who not only protect against the deep ball and disrupt crossing routes but also deliver a blow that makes running backs and receivers tread lightly at the second and third levels of the defense.
“The safety position is becoming more and more of a corner position,” New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick said.
“There were times when some of the safeties, particularly the strong safeties, fit more like linebackers than they did as defensive backs. The demands of that position have changed.”
General managers, scouts and coaches have combed the college ranks for versatile defensive backs whose toughness and athleticism can meet the criteria for the evolving dynamics of secondary play.
Four of the top five interception leaders in 2008 were safeties. Reed led the NFL with nine picks, and Green Bay’s Nick Collins, Tennessee’s Michael Griffin and Polamalu each had seven.
“Ideally, we’d like to get to a situation where you have interchangeable safeties,” said Atlanta Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff, whose expertise as a college scout was evaluating defensive backs.
“Maybe one guy is the strong safety, but you can flip it. Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, those guys are great football players who set the benchmark. It’s not easy to find those guys year in and year out, but those are the type of guys that we are ultimately looking for at the safety position.”
One of the main reasons that teams are trying to find dual-role safeties is so they can better disguise defenses.
Teams that routinely bring the same safety toward the line of scrimmage when putting eight defenders “in the box” tip off offenses and allow audibles to be called and the scheme to be exploited. If the same safety comes on blitzes most of the time, the same can happen.
Teams also know which safety is weaker in coverage and try to match him up with a more athletic tight end, a shifty running back or a slot receiver.
Free safeties used to be viewed as some of the lightest hitters in the secondary, and offenses tried to put them in situations to make tackles on cutback runs.
That perception has changed as free safeties such as Indianapolis’ Antoine Bethea, Pittsburgh’s Ryan Clark and Rolle laid the wood just as violently and frequently as their strong-safety counterparts.
More offenses also are using three- and four-receiver sets on first and second downs, forcing defenses to play nickel packages or leave themselves exposed to potential mismatches with strong safeties and/or outside linebackers.
If a defense can mask schemes, blitzes and coverages by moving around one safety or the other or by playing two-deep coverage, pre-snap reads are tougher for quarterbacks to make. Having safeties with similar skills makes executing the defense that much easier.
“There is a lot of variety in your coverages,” Dimitroff said to that point.
“I think it’s something that usually will keep the offenses guessing. I’m a lot more apt to evaluate a player with the ability to cover as well as have the ability to come up and stick his nose in there and be an aggressive run-stopper guy.”
By Steve Wyche | NFL.com
April 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Nice List Dell yeah Raiderdogg I think filled in some of my missing blues artists the last time posted the list.
I read post and seeing Pine Top Perkins and John Lee Hooker made me play some of them now!
Great music!!
April 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Bob Marley – You sound like Al Davis himself. Jenkins could end up being a gamble as well considering hes played corner all of his career. He may not adapt well to safety in the NFL. You might as well draft Huff all over again.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
By the way, I said we should consider Jenkins, I’m not saying we should do it.
But I’d sure love to read about Dakota’s tantrum if we did.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
RaiderDogg
I saw Johnny Winter in Las Vegas at the House Of Blues.
He struggled to move around on the stage but he sure can play. I was at a garage sale function, for my daughter to support her and one of the booths had a variety of CD’S and I picked up Pee Wee Crayton and Kansas Joe McCoy.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I prefer DHB over Maclin if it comes to that, but Crabtree is way better than both of them. Crab should be the pick at #7 if he’s there. I don’t care how fast his 40 time is, look at the film. I don’t see him getting caught from behind very often, plus he can break tackles, he is going to be the next T.O. watch, only hopefully with a better attitude.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
SNB666
Let’s expand the list and thanks for the fun and idea putting the list together.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Voldemort – Would you agree that if Crabtree is drafted before #7, that we should trade the #7 for Anquan Boldin if the Cards are willing?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Bob Marley
Hope all is well, great to see your comments in here.
I don’t see a clear number one pick this year so the draft may be a real surprise to many on draft day.
My sense is Seattle is the direction in which the draft turns for many teams.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
24
Could be, but it seems to me like Jenkins is a natural while Huff was just and incredible athlete.
I don’t see it happening anyway so don’t worry about it.
But I would look at the guy if I were drafting, it may not make much sense now but a few years down the road Jenkins could end up as the best player out of that group of player that will be available at 7th.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The great part about this draft is there are guys like Raji and Andre Smith who could be available at the #7 spot. They may have some flaws but their talented and their available. Its another option we can look forward to.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Dell
I saw Jonny a coupe of years ago in Petaluma at the Mystic. My arm was all busted up at the time and I had a bunch of hardware sticking out of my arm. They felt sorry for me and invited me to the bus after the show. My uncle and I got to hang out with Jonny and his band and talk shop so to speak.
Jonny was so cool, he couldn’t really see because he is almost completely blind now. But he talked to me as if he could see my arm, telling me that looks rough but that I would be back playing guitar in no time, which was in question at the time. Very kind guy. He asked me how I broke it and I told him I was playing the blues. He got had a good laugh and said he had done that a few times himself.
He was right, after 3 years and tons of rehab I am playing guitar as if I never broke my arm.
Also I had the pleasure of seeing Gov’t Mule at the HOB in Vegas. Right smack dab in the middle of the Mandalay Bay. I have been to a few HOB’s and Vegas is by far the best in my book, although I have never been to the first HOB down South.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Bob Marley – You could be right but I’d honestly rather see what Huff can do under the guidance of Marshall, than to go drafting another project safety and thats not because my name is 24. I want every Raider to succeed, I just think we have other needs to look at.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I’m out for awhile. Peace.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
24
Save the money and marry your honey, 9 years is a long time. Take care.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I’m out for the day fellas.
Good chatting with y’all, sure is nice getting back to the way it used to be around here.
Enjoy the day and TRADE DOWN.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I’m back to work, more numbers to crunch, trade down seems the best thing to do, take care.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Hey Dell, nice to see too, it’s been awhile…
I agree, none of the players likely to be available makes me feel very comfortable.
Oher: The most likely candidate to be out of the league in 4 years or become a Pro Bowler, riskiest pick.
Orakpo: Seems like the kind of guy who works out so hard that his body will break down soon.
A. Smith: I’m starting to like him again but I think he’s a lock for Cincy.
Crabtree: Reminds of T.J. Housh more than Andre Johnson, is that good enough at 7th?.
Maclin: Is he the next Torry Holt or the next Laveranues Coles?…Holt great, Coles ok.
Raji: Who knows?.
I’d probably take Oher.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
24 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The great part about this draft is there are guys like Raji and Andre Smith who could be available at the #7 spot. They may have some flaws but their talented and their available. Its another option we can look forward to.
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I agree….Andre Smith would be a dominant RT for this Raider team and he could eventually ease his way into the LT if possible.
If the Raiders drafted traded down with ponies. Then they can draft Raji, and then with the 18th they can get Bey or Britt, Round 2 get Jarron Gilbert, Round 3 get a Center or another OT. Round 4 they can go with Brinkley!
Now THAT would be a solid if NOT potentially GREAT DRAFT!!
The Raiders should be NOT be afraid to trade with Ponies…..only if they give up those two 1st Rounders at 12 and 18.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
24
Yeah, I would also like to see what’s Huff’s role is gonna be under Marshall, that article on post 89 would seem to describe Huff too, former CB with cover skills, speed and size….it’s simply not happening with him, maybe Lionel Washington can turn this guy around, we need more than the ability to cover TE’s from him.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Well, we all know we need to fill a lot of spots. So I start with the best player available at 7 for my needed spots. If Crabtree is there I take him. Our WRs bother me more than anything. Especially since we did not go out and get anyone in free agency. There are allot of good WRs out there but a number of them seem like special projects. It is hard to call Crabtree’s stats fake!!! He actually double all of the available WRs stats with the exception of Ramse who looked as though he was a grown man playing with JV players at a local highschool. I would consider that guy a project. Heyward-Bey was not as productive but I do love his speed, stride and size. I would not be surprised if he shocked everyone. The only issue is he just did not have enough productivity. I think he is allot like Chaz. We need someone to make the tough catch keep the chains moving and adjust well to balls. That is what Crabtree brings in his game. Plus, I think he does a better job of finding the soft pockets in the defense. NOw I would not be in objection to a trade down for two #1s and we pick up DHB and fill another need. Plus, Jerry Rice and Dion Sanders worked out with Crabtree and gave him the OK. They said he has the total package.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Plus, Jerry Rice and Dion Sanders worked out with Crabtree and gave him the OK. They said he has the total package.
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It should mean something good….thats for sure!
April 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I am going to ask this again. What are the Raiders trying to acconplish on offense. Is this going to be the next Greatest Show on Turf? Is that the model?
How many 40 yard bombs are completed in a game anyway?
Chaz Schilens – 4.38
Johnnie Lee Higgins – 4.4
Arman Shields – 4.38
Darren McFadden – 4.28
and now Heyward-Bey or Maclin at 4.3
Plus Michael Bush, DMAC and Fargas running 30x a game
Plus Michael Bush catching out of the backfield
Plus Zach Miller catching 60 to 70 balls
Maybe the Raiders should go to a spread offense?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
This “wide receiver and cornerback first” methodology is why the Raiders are the softest team in the league right now.
If they go receiver in the first….will someone promise me they will draft either Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert in the 2nd round? Even if they have to trade the rest of their draft picks to do it.
This D-Line is garbage!
April 4th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Ex Raider QB Marijuana-vich is back in trouble w/ the law…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-marinovicharrest&prov=ap&type=lgns
April 4th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
111. The traditional Raider blue print is RUN the ball and then uncork a deep ball.
Expect Oakland to try and keep their focus on the ground game and expand on its top 10 finishes in rushing.
Russell may get more attention in 09′, but remember, its really only his second year in the bigs.
Sports writers who put him on the bubble (in his third year) aren’t paying attention.
2010 is the year he’ll need to start showing he’s the franchise.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
112. Incorrect. After watching 07-08’s games again, the D line is very good…in spurts.
Alot of the big running plays against them came when 2nd stringers where in the lineup.
Guys like Trevor Scot, Tyvon Branch, William Joseph ect. gave up big running plays and TDs most of the time.
If the O sustains drives and puts up points, this D will look alot better and fresher in the 4th.
If you watched last years games, at times the Raiders D looked dominant in the 1st half of games like Buffalo and San Diego.
We could use a killer DE to help replace Burgess and or a solid 3 down MLB so Morrison could move to SAM. but Davis’s cover, pass rush D is here to stay.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I am going to ask this again. What are the Raiders trying to acconplish on offense. Is this going to be the next Greatest Show on Turf? Is that the model?
How many 40 yard bombs are completed in a game anyway?
Chaz Schilens – 4.38
Johnnie Lee Higgins – 4.4
Arman Shields – 4.38
Darren McFadden – 4.28
and now Heyward-Bey or Maclin at 4.3
Plus Michael Bush, DMAC and Fargas running 30x a game
Plus Michael Bush catching out of the backfield
Plus Zach Miller catching 60 to 70 balls
Maybe the Raiders should go to a spread offense?
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Thats why I don’t want Maclin at #7.
I would be a waste pick. I would rather have your guy Raji then Maclin.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
The Raiders are going to trade M. Bush and a third rounder for Ocho Cinco. My source tells me the trade will be announced on Monday.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
This “wide receiver and cornerback first” methodology is why the Raiders are the softest team in the league right now.
If they go receiver in the first….will someone promise me they will draft either Ron Brace or Jarron Gilbert in the 2nd round? Even if they have to trade the rest of their draft picks to do it.
This D-Line is garbage!
^^^^^^
I agree about the cornerbacks and that is why their defense has been underachieving along with having a D-Coordinator who can’t call a consistent game to save his life.
I want to promise you that we will get Gilbert or Brace in Round 2 if we go Crabtree at #7…..but I can’t since we are dealing with an old stubborn man as an owner who makes irrational and illogical decisions.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I can’t wait to see Chad Johnson in a Raiders uniform. Seeing that #85 run down the field will bring flashbacks of Dokie Williams.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Interesting you compare him to TJ when TJ is a helluva receiver and Crabtree has more potential. One thing TJ has though is a toughness about him similar to Hines Ward. Does Crabtree have that if so he’s a good pick even though I’d prefer WR in offseason and all d in the draft
April 4th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Inonewordraider, you will get your wish when this Chad Johnson trade goes down Monday. I think Davis will take Smith with the 7th pick. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he takes Crabtree or Maclin to go along with Ocho Cinco.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
The Raiders are going to trade M. Bush and a third rounder for Ocho Cinco. My source tells me the trade will be announced on Monday
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IF true….I don’t really like losing a bruising and multi talented RB like Bush for a Prima Donna WR.
IF true, we can only hope as Raider fans that Johnson starts working hard and concentrating on getting the job done on gameday, instead of acting like a fool on gameday.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I made this point days ago. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them take him if they traded down and got more picks, but I don’t see it happening at #7.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Ah, another guy with reliable “inside sources”. I’ll be waiting with baited breath for the big trade announcement.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
112. Incorrect. After watching 07-08’s games again, the D line is very good…in spurts.
Alot of the big running plays against them came when 2nd stringers where in the lineup.
Guys like Trevor Scot, Tyvon Branch, William Joseph ect. gave up big running plays and TDs most of the time.
If the O sustains drives and puts up points, this D will look alot better and fresher in the 4th.
If you watched last years games, at times the Raiders D looked dominant in the 1st half of games like Buffalo and San Diego.
We could use a killer DE to help replace Burgess and or a solid 3 down MLB so Morrison could move to SAM. but Davis’s cover, pass rush D is here to stay.
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I completely agree with this statement. You look at the way this defense has played the last 2 years and they have played INCREDIBLY WELL…..in spurts, as Nnamdi says. Same with the defensive line. What I see watching the games the first time and then watching them again, is a completely ineffectual offense, that after awhile, the defense just collapses and has nothing to play for, or finally the opposing team just starts making plays. Maybe if we could fix the offense so, like in the very last game in San Diego, Jamarcus doesn’t get hit and fumbles twice in the first quarter handing SD the ball at our 10 yard line, maybe we could win a few games.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
That’s a troll. DMunoz himself said so. Sadly, this troll could only snag DMunoz’s tag. Sorry to blow your cover troll.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Ah, another guy with reliable “inside sources”. I’ll be waiting with baited breath for the big trade announcement.
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I do not know DMunoz 26 or his “inside source”, but I can surf the web.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150469-raiders-trade-michael-bush
I found this on the CBS Sportsline web site. It states Bush and the second round pick for Johnson. If it is a hoax, it is pretty elaborate.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Trading down is always a good bet if Al Davis and Cable bring in the right people to fill a need. We absolutely need the most talented help we can get on the “O” line first not a WR at the #7.
A trade down could get us Oher at OT with the first pick in the first round, a center in Mack in the second pick in the first round. Then a DT like Brace or DE like Jackson in the 2nd, Brinkley at MLB in the 3rd.
If not then draft Andre Smith at #7, Brace at DT in the 2nd and Brinkley at MLB in the 3rd. WR in the 4th and DT, DE or SS in the 7th.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150469-raiders-trade-michael-bush
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I hope the trade isnt true. Michael Bus and a 2nd rounder is too much for Chad Johnson. I may be able to live with one or the other, but not both.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Chad Johnson is 31 and on the downside of his career.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
If it was true…Why Chad Johnson at 31 years old and all of his issues instead of Anquan Boldin at 28 years old? The Cards could really use a running back as well.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2584
Chad Johnson’s stats are very good however.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
raidertay Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Chad Johnson is 31 and on the downside of his career.
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I agree. Bad trade. It is amazing how often a WR starts to develop an inflated sense of self just about the time his legs start to go.
The Cards are looking for a featured RB. Too bad this deal wasn’t for Boldin.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Who do we trade down with MRD?? Philly?? They are trying to reload on some crucial positions where they have gotten old. Detroit??? They are in worse shape than us. Denver?? hard to believe Denver would do anything to help us. I don’t see us trading down. The only way you trade down is if a team like a Dallas or a Baltimore is one marquee superstar player away from establishing a dynasty type team. That is not the case in this draft unfortunately.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I sent an email to Florio on Profootballtalk.com asking him what he made of this report so hopefully they’ll look into it and report on it since it hasn’t been mentioned yet.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Bush ain’t going anywhere.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
We may be able to get a few good years out him. I dont mind the fraft pick if its 3rd round. Michael Bush is a very solid RB just strating his career and a helluva bargain.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I for one would welcome this trade, and will be looking forward to Monday.
Chad Johnson means we won’t draft a WR at 7.
It means we won’t have a talented player wasting away on the bench.
Michael Bush may be a talented back, but how many carries is he going to get with McFadden and Fargas on the team. Do you really think he is going to be ahead of any of those two guys come September? Before I see him wallow away on the bench for another couple of years before he surely bolts in free agency, I’d rather have Ocho Cinco for 5 more years, 3 at a really high level.
PLEASE let this trade happen, and let the #2 be a conditional pick in the future based on Ocho Cinco’s performance.
Ocho Cinco, Chaz, JLH, Shields, Walker. That’s a solid WR corps for JRuss!
April 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Oakglenn…only those teams that have two 1st round picks. I do not believe this is a likely scenario as Al does not trade down. But some of bloggers here seem to think it is possible.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I would also take that same trade for Boldin …
April 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Trade Mike Bush for a WR
Trade back from 7 to 10 , 12, or 17 based on the highest bidder for Sanchez.
Xmas in April!
April 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Don’t get me wrong…Chad Johnson makes our offense explosive right away. I mean…if that happened, at least the need was addressed. Thats whats most important. JR couldn’t make an excuse that he didn’t have enough weapons, thats for sure. With Johnson, Walker would be a great #2 and would benefit greatly.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
True…you could trade back with someone interested in one of the QB’s and find yourself with a later #1 and a 2nd round returned to use by that team. Basically, the trade for Ocho would end up being straight up for Bush and we’d win in the end.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Trading Michael Bush would be the worst decision the Raiders could ever make.
Guys, track stars don’t win football games. They don’t. Football players win football games.
We already have enough track athletes at just about every position that are flashy, brittle, and inconsistent.
Don’t trade one of the precious few FOOTBALL players the Raiders have on the roster. If the Raiders trade Michael Bush…it should be for Sean Rogers in Cleveland.
DMAC can’t carry the load and Fargas has yet to complete a season as a starter.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Jerry says -
“Which could have something to do with inconsistent quarterback play, frequent double teams and a lot of Cover 2 defenses which wouldn’t let him get deep. Or it could be he’s a track guy who isn’t necessarily a fluid receiver.”
Good thing teams rarely play Cover 2 in the NFL. Oh wait…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
SnB Defense…agreed.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Oakglenn Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Bush ain’t going anywhere.
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Why not Oak?
Hopefully b/c we are going to give him 20 carries a game, right? But what would that mean for McFadden?
Anything short of Bush starting, and he needs to be traded if we can get a top notch WR in exchange. Bush getting short yardage carries and goal line carries is not that exciting to me. There is not way he is going to get significant carries with McFadden on the squad. We have seen too many examples of good RBs in this ZBS. No way we should not consider getting a Chad Johnson or Boldin instead of drafting DHB at 7, or keeping Bush on the roster.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
You guys are scaring me. I would not trade Bush.
We don’t know if McFadden has chronic turf-toe or not.
If McFadden is healthy, I see Fargas being demoted to #3.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Wow I like Chad but it seems like they’re trading Bush for not being a team player (wining about playing fullback publicly) bcuz he looks like the next Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber. And the 2nd round pick for a guy that you don’t know will come back from injuries at his age and isn’t exactly a team first guy? If true it’s the first obvious mistake of the offseason as we don’t know what kinda clubhouse guy Gibril was….
April 4th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Bush and our 2nd to Cincy for 85? I’ll believe it when I see it, and I won’t like it if I do. Way too much give, not enough get.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
DMAC can’t carry the load
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As long as Dmac keeps away from the Raider doctors, he’ll be fine. DMac never had a injury history, and dude is 6′2, 215lbs. There is nothing to suggest that he can’t carry the load. If anything, Bush with a rod in his leg is more of an injury concern.
I’m not even going to go down the path of saying anything against Bush. It’s not even about that. It’s about the fact that he won’t see the field enough to justify not adding an unquestioned #1 WR in exchange for him. Boldin and Johnson are not just track guys.
And being able to address that need without using the #7 pick? Make the deal!
April 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Ok, I was on the phone w/ my cousin for a half hour debatin this and I changed my mind. Chad would open the running game, open the passin game. He is one of the hardest working WRs in the lague and plays hurt. He will hold Russell accountable and be an example to the young Wrs.
He went to 5 straight probowls until Palmer got hurt last year. BTW, if Javon Walker comes back healthy and motivated that would be an interesting tandem.
Im wit it….hopefully its a 3rd and not a 2nd rd draft pick.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
If Fargas and DMC stay healthy there is a possibility that Bush wont even see the field this year.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Well…Florio from Profootballtalk.com responded to my question about the Ocho Cinco/Bush trade and this is what he said in response. Thanks to Florio for taking time out to respond.
“I think that site is full of sh!t”
(I had to add the ! but you get the point.)
April 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Tay, good points on 85.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Well…I’m out for now…the beach sounds nice. Peace.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Trade Bush for Chad Johnson? That rumor did indeed start on April 1st. Maybe Al started it.
Why would you trade Bush for a prima donna in his thirties? Don’t we have one of those already?
We waited for two years for Bush to be even ready to play, now we’re going to trade him?
We need a guy who can go down the middle like Bush. McFadden wasn’t as good at that as Bush. Fargas can do it but with that test-dummy style he keeps breaking himself.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
For those of you advocating keeping Bush, what role do you REALLY see him playing?
Opening day starter will without question be McFadden, right? How many carries do you see McFadden getting? At least 20, right? There is nothing to suggest that McFadden will be anything but a feature back.
How many pass attempts will Russell have? 20-30?
You KNOW Fargas will get 5-10 looks per game. You just know he will.
What does that leave for Bush? 3rd and 2s? 1st and goal on the 5?
And are you really saying stash Bush on the bench just in case McFadden gets hurt? Why not have Rankin step in for a few games? Again, how many examples of successful RBs have we seen in the ZBS?
We are talking about a backup RB here!
April 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
jhill Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Oakglenn Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Bush ain’t going anywhere.
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Why not Oak?
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I can tell you why not. It doesn’t make sense. First off, The Bungholes already lost Houshmanzadeh. They’re going to trade their other WR for a running back when they have Perry and Watson ready to go? And then we ship out a guy who has Jerome Bettis type skill for a guy 9 years in the league when we are pretty stacked at WR anyway? And then who do we replace Michael with??? Louis Rankin?? None of it makes sense. Shipping jay Cutler out to Chicago, makes sense. The only thing about Michael Bush to Cinncy that makes any sense is Michael is born and raised in Louisville Kentucky right across the river from Cinncy. They have been watching this kid since he was playing Pop Warner, and they want him back for a very disgruntled player they could care less about. Sorry, you can’t have him.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Jhill… the logic makes sense as long as nobody gets hurt. That, of course, is the gamble.
Listen, if Al feels like we can do without him then I’m ok with that. I just don’t like the idea of giving up our second round pick along with him for a 31 year old WR. We have too many holes to start giving up 2nd rounders, unless of course we’re dealing #7 overall for more picks.
I still think we give up too much in that particular trade with Cincy, though.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Good points, Oakglenn.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
JHill,
Bush SHOULD play the role he played in the game that saved Tom Cable’s job.
I would suggest that if Cable has any hope of keeping his job that he goes ahead and puts Bush #1 or #2 on the depth chart.
Bush should be getting 15 to 20 carries a game and 3 to 5 catches.
DMAC should get 10 to 15 per game with 3 to 5 catches per game.
Tampa Bay WITHERED away with Bush pounding them play after play after play.
Fargas can NEVER have a game like that. He’s one-dimensional, can’t catch and saw the end zone ONCE last year. Plus, like Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren, he has no more upside left.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
You definitely have to keep Bush if the hypothesis that the Raider defense is bad because the offense can’t stay on the field.
well how do you expect the offense to stay on the field. It takes a strong running game that can pound the rock. DMAC and Fargas are not pound the rock guys.
Fargas is one-dimensional and DMAC is the edge back.
Ian Eagle said it best before Bush’s 60 yrd run against Tampa
“Michael Bush is in the backfield because Fargas has a knee injury and McFadden has an ankle injury”
April 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
what if it`s true that tom cable does not like the guy?al davis loves him but cable does`nt.maybe cable can`t get over the fullback thing.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
This is why Bush shouldn’t be traded for a prima donna in his thirties.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=090005d80db1052
April 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Again folks,
We’re talking about the backup RB here. Jerome Bettis was not the backup. If McFadden wasn’t on the team, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. It’s not about Fargas either. Bush is obviously better than Fargas, but the fact of the matter is it’s about McFadden. McFadden was drafted in spite of Bush and he will get his 20 plus carries per game.
I understand Bush’s potential if he gets on the field. Problem is, I don’t see he getting any real time on the field. I’m willing to bet he doesn’t see 100 carries this year.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
First off, The Bungholes already lost Houshmanzadeh. They’re going to trade their other WR …..
Cinn can easily draft Crabtree.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Yeah, I’m not high on a primadona WR like Chad Johnson who seems like he doesn’t have the heart and soul to play football anymore and be a team player.
If the old man wants to trade Bush and a 3rd rounder, then it should be for ANQUAN BOLDIN and NOT “Ocho Cinco”…..thats for sure!
I won’t be happy if they make that deal for Chad.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Financially it makes sense. Chad Johnson would probably make less next year then the #7 pick in the draft. Especially when you consider the large salary Bonus that the #7 will get.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
*********Bush Deal or no deal?**********************
Let me add a little light on the subject. Let us look at the source. This article was taken from Bleacher Report!!! Anyone who wants to be an amatuer writer can go on BR and throw an article together. If you want to trust a guy named “Kushy Williams” as a valuable source than go right ahead.
I have said it before and I will say it again Bush is going to be a more productive back than DMAC. If not they can be the best running back duo in football. Once DMAC shows us what he has with out turf toe and steal plates in his shoe. Those two can be something very special. Especially, with Fargas (hard runner) coming off the bench. If we can get the running game going early we may be able to do something.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Other then Moss, who is a bigger deep threat then #85. BTW, does anyone in the league throw a deeper ball them JR.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
don’t be dumb nobody’s trading Bush
April 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
#85 is more of a possesion guy nowadays
April 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
jhill Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Again folks,
We’re talking about the backup RB here. Jerome Bettis was not the backup. If McFadden wasn’t on the team, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. It’s not about Fargas either. Bush is obviously better than Fargas, but the fact of the matter is it’s about McFadden. McFadden was drafted in spite of Bush and he will get his 20 plus carries per game.
I understand Bush’s potential if he gets on the field. Problem is, I don’t see he getting any real time on the field. I’m willing to bet he doesn’t see 100 carries this year.
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I’d be willing to bet they’ll find a way to get Bush involved more than that, especially when Farags takes his annual nose dive onto the PUP list.
The real issue with Bush last year was his ineffectual pass protection.
As you mentioned, we lost BOTH starting FB’s one in pre seaon and the other at the half way mark, and our tackles were terrible.
This made RB pass protection all the more important.
If Bush can get his act to gether in protection and protecting the ball, he’ll morph into the 1st round pick people thought he could be before he broke his leg.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Once again….
If the old man wants to trade Bush and a 3rd rounder, then it should be for ANQUAN BOLDIN and NOT “Ocho Cinco”….thats for sure!
Bush is going to be very valuable commodity this year IMO. He should be the starter!
April 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
we have 2 dominate backs, you don’t trade 1….
we have a WR at #7
April 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Al Davis on the backfield:
“McFadden is tough for the defense,” Davis said.
“You put him and Bush in the backfield. You got your two wide receivers and you stick McFadden in the slot and you have to cover him as a wide receiver…it’s tough to put a linebacker on him”.
“And then you start running Bush if (opposing defenses)) start pulling out of there with linebackers. It’s a lot of problems for the defense”.
Sounds like a plan.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Again, you need three RB’s to play in this league. And even tho Cinncy could draft Crabtree, again they would have lost Housh AND 85 and only replaced one of them. They have a couple of very good young WR’s over there, but still not enought to ship out 85. Plus the fact that it is going to take longer for WR’s to develop than RB’s generally. Cinn would be better off drafting an OT at #6 and then a very solid RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. They don’t need to trade 85 for Michael Bush.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
and just who do you guys think pounded that Tampa Bay defense for the first 2.5 quaters???
April 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Draft a WR, T, and a LB…
April 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
i here some people say chad johnson is a disgruntled player not a team first guy.maybe tom cable views bush the same way.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
*********Bush Deal or no deal?**********************
Let me add a little light on the subject. Let us look at the source. This article was taken from Bleacher Report!!! Anyone who wants to be an amatuer writer can go on BR and throw an article together. If you want to trust a guy named “Kushy Williams” as a valuable source than go right ahead.
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Good point nevermind.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
I dont believe that a team should have a young WR and a young QB. One of them need to be a vet.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Ok guys, it is what it is …
Bush is probably going nowhere, so it’s moot point. We’ll just all sit here next year waiting for an injury to McFadden that will most likely not happen, so Bush can get on the field. Meanwhile, we’ll also hope that one of our WRs actually turn out to be a a #1 pro bowl caliber guy.
I get it.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Let’s trade away a good young player and a high draft pick for an aging receiver.
After all, we are so close.
Excuse me while I puke.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
trading bush has tom cable hand all over it.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
*****Crabtree is my pick! Great Player! Good Article and here is why***
I really think we would be making a mistake if we do not take Crabtree if he is there. I just think this guy is a very special football player. Not just a WR but a hard nose football loving player. These guys are the best man. They love the game so much they do whatever they have to do to win. Before I read the attached article I have siad many times that watching his videos I love the way his feet moves. He knows how to dance man and I think that makes up for 4.3 speed.
The only thing I see diffrent is Crabtree has body control and does not fall over himself on his jukes. Recall how Tim Brown would through a great juke move but lots of time hit the ground. Crabtree does not do that he is always going forward making moves and bouncing. I aslo talked about his second effort. The way he fights for each yard and uses his body like a running back, low base for leverage like a boxer. To my surprise this article confirms what I was saying. Crabtree practices with a cousin who trains boxers and it shows on film. I recall hearing that a number of WR works the speed bags to have better hands. Plus, it makes sense that Crabtree’s foot work shows up on film. Not to mention his desire to fight. Take a look at this article. All of the players we have taken with the first pick with more questionable factors. I do not know how we could not take a chance on a player like Crabtree.
You can question beating Pac Man Jones one-on-one, Dion Sanders, Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice. But you can not tell me players of their status (Hall of fame players) do not know game when they see it. Check out the article!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-crabtree111408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
April 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Oak,
Coles signed with Cincy too.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
we wont trade Bush.. don’t be dumb
April 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
i’m with #187 CRABTREE!!
he’s the best player in the draft!
if he lasts till #7(he wont) we have to grab him..
April 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
When you look at our passing game, the issue was not WR’s who could not hold on to the ball or get open or gain separation. The issue was in the protections. As soon as the ball was snapped, Jamarcus was either running for his life, or throwing it away. Shilens developed into a decent player later in the year. The guy who I think helped out a lot, if only he can keep developing and take a quantam leap up is Todd Watkins. If you see Jamarcus standing back there flat footed and guys can’t get open, then you need a WR. But I don’t think that is the case.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
# jhill Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Oak,
Coles signed with Cincy too.
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That’s right. Good point. They really have a very good young WR corp over there with Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell and Purify. They could easily ship out 85 and not hurt themselves, I just don’t see it happening for Michael.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
***Let me tell you about Chad****
I live in Columbus OH not to far from Cincy. I go down to Cincy to visit and let me tell you the fans had nothing but love for Chad Johnson. He was racing horses for charity, doing the chicken dance at their festivals downtown. Having a great Chad time when they were winning. As soon as they start to loose Chad says managment does not love him anymore and demands a trade crying like a baby. Telling them that his feelings were hurt. boo-hoo-hoo!!! He just got a deal the year before than he wanted to nogotiate another deal. No man, I don’t think so play ball. Palmer came to his rescue trying to be supportive of Chad Johnson and he turns on Plamer saying he can’t talk for him and staying out the whole summer. During the loosing season he is still dancing around doing his Ocho skits and falling a sleep in meetings. Marv Lewis got fed up and kicked him out ans suspened him one game. Is anyone starting to see a pattern here? A road we have been down before? That is why Al did not go after a TO trade, that is why I would be surprised if he goes after Chad. We already had are Elite WR nightmare with Randy Moss. I think the NFL is starting to see the light with some of these players who think they are God! That is why I am glad to see Plexico was cut today by NY. I hope we do not go after Plexico neither. We need serious dedicated ball player, team first locker room guys to build from. Say no to Chad Johnson!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Crabtree is ready to have an impact now.. he’s gone against nfl corners before (like pac-man) and dominated! in colege he dominated! and he has way more desire to be great than Raji or A.Smith
April 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
C. Johnson is an ass!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
#191 OakGlenn – I am with you, you’re making a valid point but how did JLH and Higgins start getting open and catching passes when they were on the field? WHen I watched JAM in the Texas game, Denver game, Tampa Bay game is seemed like he had time to set up and hit those guys. Don’t get me wrong, I hear you! But JAM was holding the ball for a long time early in the season as well. I think our guys had a heck of time creating seperation.
Also, do you think the zone blocking system works better for the run than the pass?
April 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
. We need serious dedicated ball player, team first locker room guys to build from. Say no to Chad Johnson!
Like Fargas =)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
the ZBS is made for quick passes..3, 5 & 7 step drops… then the ball must get out…
we need a WR…
April 4th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
and no Heyward Bey.. why do they say such stupid sh1t??
April 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
That was a good article on Crabtree
April 4th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
i`m not crazy about trading bush but i understand if the coach does not want him.the raiders might trade down in the first with eagles and draft.
#21-robert ayers-de
#28-fila moala-dt
#40-chad johnson=trade
#71-chip vaughn-safety
April 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Als saggy lower jaw Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
the ZBS is made for quick passes..3, 5 & 7 step drops… then the ball must get out…
we need a WR…
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Have you seen what Crabtree can do with a quick pass??? He will make moves to get as much yardage as he can than he will drop his shoulder and drive into the DB with a “pop”.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
we are not trading Bush
April 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Crabtree will make our O unstoppable!!
every week we’ll here “too many weapons” i can’t wait.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
# CJ Legend 34 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
#191 OakGlenn – I am with you, you’re making a valid point but how did JLH and Higgins start getting open and catching passes when they were on the field? WHen I watched JAM in the Texas game, Denver game, Tampa Bay game is seemed like he had time to set up and hit those guys. Don’t get me wrong, I hear you! But JAM was holding the ball for a long time early in the season as well. I think our guys had a heck of time creating seperation.
Also, do you think the zone blocking system works better for the run than the pass?
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The ZBS is primarily a run blocking system, so if you are going to employ that system, you better have a solid set of backs, and you better use them. Think of Denver in the late 1990’s that won a couple of Super Bowls. That team went from being all Elway all the time, to being Terrell Davis’ team. I think we are going to be modeling ourselves a bit after that team. A run heavy, pound the rock kind of team.
I think CJ what you were seeing early in the season was Walker and Curry out there, and you are right, they were NOT getting separation. Shilens is fast. So is JLH and so is Todd Watkins. Once those guys got paired up out there, with Miller and the young backs, guys started to separate. But you make a very very good point in the fact that Jamarcus was, as the coaches say, “playing a lot faster” later in the season. In other words, he was getting the rock out of his mitts much faster.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
If Al asked me to choose between Crabtree or Maualuga as our #1, I’d pick Maualuga.
I doubt that few people would agree.
We need a presence on defense, an enforcer.
I don’t see anybody else at #7 that would fulfill that need.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Als Saggy Lower Jaw Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
we are not trading Bush
Its a done deal. My source, who was right about the Raiders Thanksgiving game, is very credible.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I meant “many people” would agree. Sorry.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
If Al asked me, and he didn’t, I would say that WR is a terrible option in the top ten.
Go defense, or OT if the right guy is there.
Is it just me or is this the best time of the year (with all due respect to Christmas), we all have our opinion about the draft.
My dream job is to be a GM. How did I end up in construction? I SUCK!!!
April 4th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
i suck too!i would love to play one more game.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Sweep The Leg thats what i wanna be im gonna take economics
April 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Stay away from construction and economics.
Become a politician, you don’t have to know anything.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I’ve got 3 good plays left in me.
Now, I just have to convince the coaches!!!!!!
April 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
blackdeath29, when was the last time you suited up?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Roll Call?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Become a politician, you don’t have to know anything
Wrong;you have 2 know how 2 lie
April 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
We all know how to lie, but politicians have raised it to a fine art.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
does anybody know how people become GM’s i know most start out as scouts but how do they get to be a scout
April 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
the last time i suited was 1991.i`ve coached high school and youth.got too coach both my boys in youth football.the oldest one when he was in 8th grade.the youngest one for 5 years.would not change it for the eorld.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
i mean world.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Dear 15,
All I can tell you is when you act, act impeccably. Throw everything you have into it. Make it your last act on earth.
All paths are the same, pick one with heart.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
i really think the bush trade is real.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
It’s not real. If it were, there would be maybe one more person who is actually reputable reporting it. Right now we have two: a known internet troll and “kushy” williams. Remember the old expression: consider the source.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
what if we trade up to get ot or curry. more like al than tradeing down?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
maybe cable has more pull with al davis than we think.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I’ve said it before no way al takes a wr like crabtree no matter his college stat with a 4.5+ 40 with the 7# overall pick he loves speed.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
One of the biggest reasons i wanted TO was he would have to be on his best behavior for one season you then can draft d-line or whatever not a wr. I bet TO catches more td next year than maclin,crabtree and bey combined and we proablly still won’t be able to stop the run.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
i`ve been checking the web since the bush rumor started.cincy fan`s really want crabtree and chad johnson gone.no mention of a bush trade.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Hey guys i just herd we send Bush and a 2rd to the bungholes for Chad jonhson…. Please tell me this isnt true….
April 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
BigZ,
where did you hear that?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Dude check this out
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150469-raiders-trade-michael-bush
April 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Man i really hope its not true
April 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
What you think blackdeath? You think its BS?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Kushy Williams about 21 hours ago
Todd France is one of my best friends who happens to be Michael Bush’s Agent. I was with him today when he got the call. This was the only place i can post this big news. But whatever if you feel this way about my news, i will make sure to never post here again. I am sorry i am not a reporter, but you will see monday that this is no B.S.
Todd France is one of my best friends who happens to be Michael Bush’s Agent. I was with him today when he got the call. This was the only place i can post this big news. But whatever if you feel this way about my news, i will make sure to never post here again. I am sorry i am not a reporter, but you will see monday that this is no B.S. Edit Comment Cancel
April 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Kushy Williams about 20 hours ago
When he found out the news we rushed to meet up with Bush. When we got there Tom Cable was there talking to Bush. Todd asked him why? He replied Mcfadden was the future and that he can be a number 1 there and it’s better for him. Also that receiver was a big need. He explained that the trade works for both. He also said they need to stop the run. That’s why i think he might pick a defender with the 7th pick. If you have problem accepting this trade then stop offending me, because i already said this is my last post.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I hope this guy is full of sh*t
April 4th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
i got a feeling this is true.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
i heard about this really early today i thought somebody was just playing around but everybody is saying it now i really liked Bush too bad cable never wanted to play must not have liked his attitude but then you trade for ochocinco hes 20x worse
April 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
UNC too much for Nova,..great matchup monday night….Roy Williams and Izzo, two of the biggest recruiting cheaters in big time college hoops,…they both are crooked…all college sports at that level are payed off,…and now slimy Calipari in Lentucky will go buy players and get that crooked program back in the final four,..thats why snakes like him get 5 million a year….and Im not buying that rade rumor one bit.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
this might be true…..we do have fargas and mcfadden. louis rankin will definately be 3rd string when bush is gone.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
UNC will throttle the Spartans,..winning going away,..final score something like 95-75. Roy Williams has scales….hes quite possibly a snake in a human body form.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Ocho Cinco not goin to Oakland.,..however I would love it,..Bush had one great game against a tired, old, washed up defense thats built to stop the pass,…I make that trade with Cincy asap if Im Davis.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Joe Reedy of the Cinncy Equirer is investigating the Bush-for-Johnson story.
“Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan said Saturday night that the team would not comment on speculative player moves.
According to a friend of ours in Oakland, Al Davis does not want to give up on Bush, who was a third-round pick out of Louisville in 2007. He also noted that the Raiders would want a second-round pick instead of giving one up.”
Judging by the readers’ comments, if the story is true, Johnson will not be missed in Cinncy. So why would the Raiders be interested?
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=blog09&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3ac78cbe8a-2b47-436d-a33e-623f9b65de7cPost%3a916ae826-e62d-4be0-a8de-0d8aae7b84e6&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending&sid=sitelife.cincinnati.com
April 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Bush is an every down punishing back sorry 4eva no teams fear fargas in fact every d we play love it when we run fargas Bush/Dmac enough balls for both !
April 4th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Do you guys realize that Bleachereport.com is just a glorified blog/website that anyone can register and submit an article to? Not much “inside info” coming from that site if at all.
Quoting “Kushy Williams” from the Bleacherreport is like someone quoting RaiderDogg from ibabuzz.com/Raidersblog.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Ron
Bush was the first pick in the 4th round.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
For all you Bush haters one good game how many td did fargas have last year 1 that is awful how many run did he have inside the 5 a hella of a lot more than just 1, im sure j-russ can’t wait to play with fargas, fargas asked don’t throw it so hard i can’t catch to good
April 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Garcia Heading Back To The Bay?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2009, 11:11 p.m.
Quarterback Jeff Garcia, a former starter for the San Francisco 49ers, could soon be playing for the team that resides on the other side of the Bay.
We’re told that Garcia has drawn the interest of the Raiders, and that he possibly could be added to the team in the not-too-distant future.
No deal has been done yet, and as far as we know no offer has been made. But it’s the closest Garcia has come to signing with a new team since hitting the market on February 27.
Garcia, 39, played in the CFL before joining the 49ers in 1999. After five years in San Fran, during which he started 71 of 80 regular-season games, he spent a disappointing year in Cleveland followed by a disappointing year in Detroit.
He seemed to revitalize his career by leading the Eagles on an unlikely playoff run in 2006, after Donovan McNabb was lost for the year with a hernia. Suddenly the toast of Philly, the Eagles didn’t bring Garcia back for a second season — possibly because McNabb felt threatened by Garcia’s popularity.
Garcia signed a relatively modest two-year deal with the Bucs in early 2007, and created a stink last year, wanting more money. Benched early in the 2008 season, Garcia nearly led the Buccaneers to the playoffs for a second straight season, but the team opted to sever ties with him.
In Oakland, Garcia would join a roster that currently includes JaMarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, and Bruce Gradkowski.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Garcia better be able to suck it up and accept the role of mentor to JaMarcus.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
For the record I AM NOT A JEFF GARCIA FAN.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Ron
Bush was the first pick in the 4th round.
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RaiderDogg,
I know. This was a cut/paste from the Joe Reedy story. It’s hard to tell who is credible these days. It’s getting to the point that I only trust you.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Whats up guys? Long time reader and sometime poster, glad to see registration on here to maybe lose some of the trolling. I like the trade down scenario to pick up more picks but we have to find someone willing to trade down with us at the right price. I think the main thing we need to leave this draft with is a play maker for Russel at WR and depth on the lines.
RaiderDogg where are you from? I heard you talking about Carolina pulled pork. I’m down here in South Carolina.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I do not believe this article. The comments that Cable was reported to have made about this filling a huge hole in their offense does not sound like coach speak, especially regarding a deal that is in the works but not done yet. Cable would be more likely to express confidence in their young receivers while refusing to comment about any players who were not on the time at that point in time.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Ron
My bad. The thing about Bush is he is so talented that he very well could have been a 3rd round pick. Hell before he broke his leg he was considered a top 10 draft prospect.
The steal of the draft and because of this fact, not expendable in Al’s eyes.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
SC Raider
I actually live in Northern California. I just have a taste for Carolina style BBQ. I like my sauce vinegary with some bite. I know you know what I am talking about. I also get down with Piedmont style, but my fave is that Eastern North Carolina Style.
I buy a lot of products from carolinasauce.com
April 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Raiderdogg,
I totally agree that Bush was the steal of the draft. I never understood why the Raiders drafted another quality RB before giving Bush a fair chance. But what do they do now? If they try to convert him to a FB, they will lose him to FA. Maybe they are better off trading him and converting a 4th round pick into a higher quality draft position or player (just not Johnson).
April 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Dogg
Maybe we bring in Jeff Garcia as competition, not as a mentor.
Maybe Jamarcus needs someone who can push him, let them fight it out for the job and if Garcia wins, so be it.
Let Jamarcus learn a lesson, it’s not how much talent you have but how much you want it and how hard are you willing to work, Jeff Garcia is the perfect example.
Point is:
Garcia is not the type of guy who’s gonna mentor anyone, he probably thinks he can lead a team to the Super Bowl right now, so he won’t willingly mentor Russell, but just being around the guy and watcing first hand how a pro’s pro prepares can help Jamarcus more than having some other old, washed up guy giving him pointers while happily collecting a final paycheck for carrying a clipboard.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
The Ny Giants had 2 rb hit 1,000yrd their will be enough carries for both bush ain’t a fb he is a ball carrier, considering how bad the o had been I say 2 good rb is just right!
April 4th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Yeah Dogg, I know what you are talking about. I lived in NC and they like the vinegar style sauce. Down here in SC we are more mustard and ketchup based. All are awesome if done correctly.
As to the Raiders Ron you are right Bush was the steal of the draft. I remember waiting all Saturday night (rounds 1-3 were on Sat and 4-7 on Sun). We had the first pick of the 4th and when we picked Bush I rejoiced. What we need to do is get Bush 12-18 touches a game and Mcfadden the same. We need to watch film of NE and see how they use Welker, mostly on short crosses and screens. That is how we need to get the ball to Mcfadden and Higgins. Give them room to do their thing. Mcfadden gets 10-12 carries and 4-5 catches and Bush gets the same. Fargas can come in in the 3rd and 4th quarters to salt away the lead.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I’ve been tracking all of the Raider draft buzz across all of the top sites and none have mentioned Percy Harvin as a possibility. Mayock and the other draftniks have been pegging Al to WR and I believe they are right, but not with Maclin, Crabtree (who won’t be available) or Bey. Harvin is there best option, rolling the dice on his durability, his production and flat out electrifying play in the SEC cannot be questionned. Florida would not have taken the National Championship without his play. Can you imagine Harvin wide with McFadden motioned in the slow opposite of Higgens/Walker… Al loves this kind of matchups favoring all the space in the middle for the TE, Miller would have a pro bowl year with Harvin in the line up.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Bob
Excellent point. I may have let my dislike for Garcia hinder my perspective somewhat.
I certainly don’t want some old man collecting a check and telling the kid whatever he wants to hear about footwork or whatever. But I also don’t want some older QB coming in thinking the job is his to win from J.
I would love a back up who would be willing to put the work in and push JaMarcus, all the while leading by example, demonstrating what it takes and what it means to be a QB in the NFL.
Is that unrealistic? Probably.
Thanks for the perspective.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I hope its not true guys. For the record i didnt know if it was true. Just said i heard rumors and somone asked for a source and i pasted it.Ddont know if its true or not. I hope its not i love MB.
GO Raiders!!
April 4th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
For the FB position I hope O’Neal can come back 100% though not sure he will be there for us week 1. I think we should bring in a veteran to add some depth in the backfield. We could just bring Lawton back but he didn’t seem to bring to much to the table. I think we should go more split back sets whether it be Fargas and McFadden (w/ Fargas in pass protection and Mcfadden going out for passes) or Bush and Mcfadden (with both as possible recievers).
April 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
And there’s no way Jeff Garcia beats out JaMarcus Russell for the job, but some real competition ia always healthy and I don’t think Russell feels threatened by AW or Gradkowski.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
If you want to know if the rumor about ocho-cinco is true or not, just ask buttholeprick. He blows everythig
April 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Harvin is definitly a sleeper. I am down here in South Carolina so I have watched a lot of SEC games. IF we could get Mcfadden and Bush in the wild hog with Higgins and Harvin coming around for reverses or fake reverses on the edges that would be dangerous. However I just wonder are Harvin and Higgins too similar in style. That is the same $1,000,000 question people have been asking about Maclin. #7 is too early for Maclin or Harvin in IMO, that is why I hope the trade down option is available.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
He knows everything
April 4th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Have a good night Nation
April 4th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
I would be shocked to see this trade go down. We just don’t need Chad right now. The coaches are all convinced Walker will respond and Davis lves Chaz and JLH. Why would he do it especially for what he loves in MBush. While DMC is a tremendous talent but MBush is the kind of back Mr Davis has always coveted. From Hewritt Dixon and Clem Daniels to to Wheatley and Crockett and he finally has another one. DMC and MBush are the combo that has often balanced our running attack.
The trade from a Al Davis standpoint doesn’t compute. If he can steal Chaz frm the Bengals for a pick or a young WR and a pick OK. IMO MBush is just too valuable.
Jhill BTW I see Mbush as the feature back in this offense DMC will be used closer to what you saw with Charlie Garner but when we were really good Whealey played a dominant role on offense. Our RB coach at that time was a huge Garner fan so you saw him in games more because of that. I see Cable as a Bush fan contrary to popular beliefs if you go back early in the year Bush played Cable soured on him when Griffin went down and he NEEDED him.
That’s all in the past trust me what he saw in Tampa is exactly what he thought Bush could be. He even stated it in an interview that Bush would be counted on to close out games. So this idea that he doesn’t want him is simply not true.
I don’t know how many times I’ve said this but you guy’s will soon see that the caches feel much different than you do about our WR corp. You’ll soon see all the pundits who feel we have nothing at that position are misguided.
JMHO I don’t think WR is even on the minds of this coaching staff unless they can get a steal. We’ll see if I’m wrong
April 4th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
If KC and Dis-Chargers can make a living throwing to their Tight Ends then so can we… There are no WRs in this draft that warrant the #7 pick.
True JLH and Schilens can be upgraded…that being said…between our running game and Miller, we already have a solid offensive nuclear core.
Raiders need a DT run stuffer (NOT Raji the undersized pass rusher) and a D-End…along with Tank Johnson.
And yes, a center at some point would be nice.
Crabtree is no Calvin Johnson….not worth a #7.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Raji can rush the passer but he is also a NT. He is huge with a low center of gravity, he can not be moved around easily. Also he was getting doubled teamed not Brace.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Crabtree is no C.J. He reminds me of a Reggie Wayne, we would love to have him. Guy is going to be a star for somebody.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Calvin Johnson don’t come along that often and Crabtree IMO is a top 5 pick in this draft.
If you put MBush in this drat he would be a top 5 pick hands down. Teams would be salivating at the opportunity to get him. It’s obvious to me that Raider fans just don’t get what a dominant back this kid can be.
No GM worth his salt would trade him for a aged WR………….period
April 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Jerry Ball and Russel Maryland were far better than Raji appears…short doesn’t equal strong at point of attack….
Nothing like have a weaker version of Sapp at NT…sigh
April 4th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Raji is far stronger at the poa than Sapp eveer was. Sapp relied on his quickness. Read some scouting reports on this guy.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Scouting reports? With advice like that Jerry Rice would never have been drafted…and Lawrence Philips should have blocked Aneas Williams from ending Steve Youngs career….scouting reports are for rookies.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Raji and Sapp were 2 very different players. Sapp was a superstar at one time. I doubt that Raji will ever be as dominant at his position as Sapp was (7 straight PB’s). Raji can play both the 1 and the 3 but IMO he would do well to play NG at this level unless he’s willing to drop 20 lbs. which I think would be wise. At 305 he would be quicker and more disruptive. A better 3 than a 1 where he would have to play at the nose of the defense. At 3 he could use his quickness better play at a higher level.
There are some 3’s in this draft that could be better than he is. Fili Moala if he works hard could be dominant in a few years as well as Z Hood and some others. So we’ll see. Raji should try to play in a 4/3 where he can play both.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I’d beleieve the 85 thing was possible- except Kushy Williams writes a humor article on Bleacher Report. Check it out, says “humor” right at the top of the article and by Williams’ name. 85 ain’t gonna happen in Oakland.
Here’s the link if ya’ll missed it- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150469-raiders-trade-michael-bush
April 4th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
This article posted on Yahoo supports ocho cinco being shopped, no mentioning of specifics though. The dude could be right. I sure hope Al & Tom aren’t offering up MBush and our second, not worth it. A straight up trade maybe…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-potentialtrades040209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
April 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
No way we get rid of Bush. He’s too good and we got him too cheap. The Tampa game locked him in. My guess is they’ll move Fargas to 3rd string or wait until he gets hurt in the preseason. Then we got Mc and Bush and if O’Neal is healthy, look out. As far as the rumors go, getting Garcia makes more sense just to have him as a back up or if Russell does a face plant. Besides, if we were gonna get another prima donna receiver we would have moved on T.O.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
# CJ Legend 34 Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
*****Crabtree is my pick! Great Player! Good Article and here is why***
I really think we would be making a mistake if we do not take Crabtree if he is there. I just think this guy is a very special football player. Not just a WR but a hard nose football loving player. These guys are the best man. They love the game so much they do whatever they have to do to win. Before I read the attached article I have siad many times that watching his videos I love the way his feet moves. He knows how to dance man and I think that makes up for 4.3 speed.
The only thing I see diffrent is Crabtree has body control and does not fall over himself on his jukes. Recall how Tim Brown would through a great juke move but lots of time hit the ground. Crabtree does not do that he is always going forward making moves and bouncing. I aslo talked about his second effort. The way he fights for each yard and uses his body like a running back, low base for leverage like a boxer. To my surprise this article confirms what I was saying. Crabtree practices with a cousin who trains boxers and it shows on film. I recall hearing that a number of WR works the speed bags to have better hands. Plus, it makes sense that Crabtree’s foot work shows up on film. Not to mention his desire to fight. Take a look at this article. All of the players we have taken with the first pick with more questionable factors. I do not know how we could not take a chance on a player like Crabtree.
You can question beating Pac Man Jones one-on-one, Dion Sanders, Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice. But you can not tell me players of their status (Hall of fame players) do not know game when they see it. Check out the article!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-crabtree111408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
^^^^^^^
Nice find! Lets hope Crabs is still there at #7
April 4th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Garcia Heading Back To The Bay?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 4, 2009, 11:11 p.m.
Quarterback Jeff Garcia, a former starter for the San Francisco 49ers, could soon be playing for the team that resides on the other side of the Bay.
We’re told that Garcia has drawn the interest of the Raiders, and that he possibly could be added to the team in the not-too-distant future.
No deal has been done yet, and as far as we know no offer has been made. But it’s the closest Garcia has come to signing with a new team since hitting the market on February 27.
Garcia, 39, played in the CFL before joining the 49ers in 1999. After five years in San Fran, during which he started 71 of 80 regular-season games, he spent a disappointing year in Cleveland followed by a disappointing year in Detroit.
He seemed to revitalize his career by leading the Eagles on an unlikely playoff run in 2006, after Donovan McNabb was lost for the year with a hernia. Suddenly the toast of Philly, the Eagles didn’t bring Garcia back for a second season — possibly because McNabb felt threatened by Garcia’s popularity.
Garcia signed a relatively modest two-year deal with the Bucs in early 2007, and created a stink last year, wanting more money. Benched early in the 2008 season, Garcia nearly led the Buccaneers to the playoffs for a second straight season, but the team opted to sever ties with him.
In Oakland, Garcia would join a roster that currently includes JaMarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, and Bruce Gradkowski.
^^^^^^^^
Lets hope this happens! Garcia would be a solid pickup as a backup and mentor to Jamarcus.
A vet backup like Garcia would be a GREAT pickup for the Raiders. Make it happen old man Al and Coach Cable!
April 5th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Where did you get that Garcia Article
April 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am
I’ll take Garcia any day. Great backup for us.
And Al is not trading Bush AND a 2nd rounder for Ocho Stinko. If they give US a 2nd AND Ocho, then they can have Bush.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Maybe Garcia misses the Polk Gulch?
April 5th, 2009 at 2:20 am
BUSH29…that Garcia article is from Profootballtalk dot com
April 5th, 2009 at 2:35 am
anybody but everett brown( just dont think he’s worth the 7th pick.)
April 5th, 2009 at 2:39 am
word is the raiders are high on cal poly wide receiver Ramses Barden, any chance we bypass crabtree and take andre smith instead,take Barden in the 2nd or 3rd then just address the s and de in later rounds
April 5th, 2009 at 3:50 am
That Bleacher Report Article is an April Fool’s Day prank. It was filed April 1st and under the HUMOR heading. Plus the guy’s name is Kushy. You need 3 backs in the modern NFL b/c of injuries/matchups.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:11 am
I cant see any real logic in taking Bey at 7. But cant rule it out either it would not be the first time Al has taken a guy at one spot and had everybody else scratching there heads say why the F him and why in that spot?
So no I dont think so but dont be shocked either if it were to happen.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:17 am
Copenhagen Fan…
why the need for T W O handles??
April 5th, 2009 at 4:34 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S , L M N . THE NEED FOR A TRUE # 1 WIDE-OUT IS THERE, THE RAIDER,S HAVE POTENTIAL AT THE RECIEVER POSITION YES , BUT HOW LONG DO YOU WAIT ON POTIENTIAL, COACH’S / TAAM’S NEED TO WIN NOW. WHO THE RAIDER’S SHOULD GET , OCHO-CINCO , CRABTREE , WHOM EVER IS UP FOR DEBATE, BUT THE NEED IS THERE IMO
April 5th, 2009 at 4:37 am
There are rumors and there are rumors.
The rumor that Bush will be traded for an unhappy, ageing receiver in his thirties is like something from the Outer Limits. We don’t need to do that since we already have Walker. How about we trade Walker for Chad Johnson?
That I like.
The rumor that we’re getting Garcia sounds more like it. It’s also being reported by more than one reasonable source as opposed the Bush story being only on Bleacher Report on April 1st. Maybe Mr is going over there.
Garcia is just the kind of guy that Cable likes. The man’s got grit. He’s a natural Raider. He’s also a real positive force and a team player.
He would make a great mentor for Russell. Russell would see the kind of motivation that a good quarterback needs to succeed. So would Walter if he wakes up in time.
Garcia, though, wouldn’t settle for being backup. He’d want the top job. He’d provide Russell with the kind competition that he’s never seen before.
He might even get Russell’s job. If not, it’s real useful for Russell to think that. That’s also the kind of player that Cable likes.
Who won in the Denver/Chicago trade? Chicago we hope.
I don’t know, two firsts for Jay Cutler and a middling quarterback that even Rob Ryan’s defense could deal with.
I think Chicago came out on top. Cutler may be emotionally challenged but he can play football.
With their two firsts Denver might pick two Michael Huff’s.
On the other hand they might pick a Bush and a Garcia.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:38 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/04/AR2009040400684.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
we just got a new PM..
April 5th, 2009 at 4:39 am
Morning Dirtlot and England Raider…
My head hurts =)
April 5th, 2009 at 4:45 am
NO DIS-RESPECT L M N , BUT THIS GUY LOOK’S LIKE HE JUST GOT THE NEW’S HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW IS MOVING IN, DOES NOT SOUND LIKE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR PICK…
April 5th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Morning LMN and happy birthday.
Your head is entitled to hurt.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Nothing wrong with a Dane heading NATO, Denmark is stand-up country as opposed to the prone position of the French. He should stay away from Prime Minister Brown though. That guy is going down like a defender trying to tackle Bush.
His face in that picture looks like you feel LMN.
April 5th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Dirtlot….
lol yeah its not a very flattering picture..
I think he might be the best secretary general of the
NATO…
he is V E R Y capable.. thats said he isnt my favorite politician here in DK, but the guy appointed PM here in DK is a complete idiot… the new one is a male edition of a Englands Thatcher
April 5th, 2009 at 5:04 am
EnglandRaider…
Thanks!
“His face in that picture looks like you feel LMN.”
Bwahahaha LOL exactly =)
April 5th, 2009 at 5:08 am
A male edition of Margaret Thatcher is one hell of a good thing.
LMN I’ve got the perfect cure for your hangover.
Unfortunately I’m now going to go off and drink it and its five friends.
Take it easy Dirtlot
Hej hej LMN.
April 5th, 2009 at 5:10 am
LITTLE “HAIR OF THE DOG” MAY HELP, L M N , GET THE OL’ BLOOD ALCHOHAL LEVEL BACK UP,HAVE ANOTHER COCTAIL…..
April 5th, 2009 at 5:12 am
A GOOD DAY TO YOU ENGLANDRAIDER..
April 5th, 2009 at 5:12 am
hejhej =)
well the new PM Lars Løkke, wont last very long, he is very right-wing (like thatcher, but as unfortunate as John Major…
April 5th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Dirtlot…
btw, the picture where he has paint on him, was because of our support in 1raq..
April 5th, 2009 at 5:24 am
WHAT ARE U DOING TALK’N WITH ME, U SHOULD BE FIGHTING OFF OR CHOOSING BETWEEN 3 OR 4 OF THE FINEST YOUNG WOMEN AVAILABLE, TO CELEBRATE YOUR BIRTHDAY, U HAVE WORK TO DO L M N , HANDLE IT …
April 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am
hi, im new here. just got back from holiday and saw mayocks top ten on nfl.com.
Over the last couple of years ive come to deprnd on Mayocks insight into the draft but im not so sure now. the guy just had a brain fart
DHB will never happen at #7, not even Al is that stubborn and what are Crabtree’s character and off field issues?
He piped on about Raji going to the browns because he’s the anchor of there 3-4 defence, they already have Rogers (the best NT in the leauge right now) and have hired Ryan (the bad seed) as their OC!
He gives Stafford to the Lions (which might happen) but he then says “he has questionable accuracy and decision making, but he’s a franchise quarterback!” WHAT?
sorry if im rambling but WHAT? lol
April 5th, 2009 at 5:53 am
DirtLot…
I celebrated it last night! B I G time =) a bunch of my old army buddies were together, I kicked the last one out this morning…
Today its all about sports =)
April 5th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Bush rumor is fake pft
April 5th, 2009 at 7:21 am
That would be awful Bush for 85 no way , 85 is TO without the talent and td’s. He became an even bigger baby when Housh passed him up as the teams go to wr.
April 5th, 2009 at 7:44 am
NMF
Totally agree, and it was pretty obvious that it was a bogus story..
April 5th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Happy Birthday LMN!
April 5th, 2009 at 7:55 am
LMN one at work and one at home. Easier with automatic password save.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:03 am
exLA…
hanks mate =)
April 5th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Baby Slash/Copenhagen FAN..
aha!?
April 5th, 2009 at 8:05 am
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 5th, 2009 at 8:03 am
exLA…
hanks mate =)
______________________________________________________
that should be “thanks mate” =) LOL
April 5th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Jhill BTW I see Mbush as the feature back in this offense DMC will be used closer to what you saw with Charlie Garner but when we were really good Whealey played a dominant role on offense. Our RB coach at that time was a huge Garner fan so you saw him in games more because of that. I see Cable as a Bush fan contrary to popular beliefs if you go back early in the year Bush played Cable soured on him when Griffin went down and he NEEDED him.
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Let me again say that this is not about Bush’s talent. If I believed for a second that Bush would a major part of our game plan, then of course you keep him and hope he retires a Raider.
We saw exactly what we wanted to see starting in game 2 against KC thru the SD game, Kiffin’s last. It was the Bush and McFadden show. Granted it was because Fargas hurt his groin, but regardless, Bush was getting 15 carries a game.
Bye week comes, Kiffin gets fired, Fargas returns at 60% (torn groin does not heal in 3 weeks), Bush doesn’t see the field until the last game of the year.
I just won’t believe that Bush is in Cable’s plans until I see him get significant looks against SD on Monday night.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Debating the merits of a WR’s speed or size makes for interesting conversation and would actually be relevant for respectable football teams.
The problem is we have beeen getting pounded for six straight years because our line play is weaker than at any point in Raider history. Our Oline is on the right track with the new FA additions but I would not be surprised at a day one Oline selection.
Our defensive line is embarrassing.
Our first pick will most likely de a DE followed by DT in round two.
Without a day one line focus in the draft it should be no surprise to see very little if any improvement in 2009.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Happy Birthday LMN.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Saying the d-line is good in spurts means their not very good and that why we get the ball run down r throat. People will say better o and then the d will be better but lot of games last year the pats and falcons they ran it early and succesfully in the first half.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:00 am
LMN
A little herb and some Snapple should do the trick.
Happy Birthday my Raider brother!
April 5th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Run defense, run defense, run defense …
Burgess missed how much time last year? How many games did we have Kalimba Edwards and Jay Richardson starting at DE for us, with NO ONE at the other OLB spot?
The 3 glaring holes in our front 7, if you want to talk about run defense, are without question LDE, RDE, and MLB.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Teams pretty much ran AND passed at will.
No question that better offense means better defense because our D is off the field.
Everything on defense starts with the Dline and we do not pressure the QB with our base four and we are awful against the run.
Needs to be addressed on draft day one. Not day two.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I see over at pft.com, thanks to #24’s continuous e-mails to Florio, that they finally addressed that bogus trade rumor about Bush and a 2nd rounder for OchoStinko.
Nice work 24! Way to smoke out the truth.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dogg,
Herb!!! Does that help?
April 5th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Jhill
I agree with you on DE.
I guess you are suggesting we move Morrison outside?
He was our leading tackler and he made alot of penetrating plays despite traffic cones playing in front of him.
I still think we go DT on day one.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Good morning Jerry, nice to have you with us.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I see a problem with our DEs, DTs, and SLB. Kirk is a solid MLB, but he can’t do much behind that D line. No one can.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Charlie,
Kirk is also smart, and he is our leader on defense. He gets and calls the plays too.
After we fix our D line, then we can find out if we should move him to SLB.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:19 am
When is the draft? It’s on the 17th right?
April 5th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Raider O
Absolutely. I am perplexed by how anyone can support our existing front four. To have your second leading tackler be your strong safety ought to scare the h#ll out of people.
Fix the Dline and half the people on this blog could play DB for the Raiders.(Maybe not but you get my point)
April 5th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Derrius Heyward-Bey would be the overall Best Pick up for the raiders and the overall Best Wide Receiver to come out of this class.
Essentially he would be a instant impact player the only player that will help us beat the chargers and clinch our division again..
Thats who the raiders select with the 1st pick 7th overall in the draft.
2nd they can take evander Hood or a OT, But the Raiders need Bey and he needs them its a match made in heaven.
GO Raiders
X
April 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Hey Nation just for the record i dont think Raji is big enoug or strong enough. He is listed as 6′1 323 with 33 reps at the combine. This is why i dont think he will be great. He is kinda short he could use longer arms to get them hands up on passing plays. In high school i played NT and LT. I am 6′3 312. and i could throw up 25 reps at 225. This guy is a top ten draft pick and he is only a lil stronger than me? I lift and work out as a hobie now and he only has me by 8 reps…. He ran a 5.13 40 yd dash thats quick but… plus i just found some more info in 47 games played over a 5 year span(2007 DNP) he recorded 105 tackels 32.5 for loss and 12.5 sacks. Are you kidding me and in ‘08 he had 8 sacks lol. so 4.5 sacks in 3 years? Plus the fact that he is a pot head… Last year kirk morrison had 100 solo tackles last year in 16 games. thats what BJ did in 4 years.
ok ill stop now go RAIDERS!!
April 6th, 2009 at 7:11 am
This line came out of an article posted today in USA Today about DHB. Does anyone see a little concern witht this statment? Not the type of money I would gamble at #7 on a prospect.
“At 6-2, 210 pounds, he has size to go with speed. However, during his three-year Terrapins career, he never had more than five touchdown receptions in a season.”
April 30th, 2009 at 2:02 am
dog agility training…
This is an informative post. I will surely pop over again….