Putting the 2009 season in order
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, April 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am in Oakland Raiders.
Two pieces of the puzzle have been filled in, with the rest to be pieced together next Tuesday.
Some of you are probably in a state of angst already, wondering how the evil schedule-makers will do their best to arrange a murderer’s row of opponents best suited to keeping the Raiders in a state of 11-plus loss agony.
The Raiders themselves have themselves fallen into this trap in the past, grumbling openly about having to open the 2005 season in New England when it should have been looked at as an opportunity rather than a death march.
(Funny how no one whined about the three straight home dates in games three through six that year).
Don’t expect any complaints in the Tom Cable regime.
The NFL already awarded the Raiders the Chargers in Week 1 in the late Monday night game. San Diego owns an 11-game win streak against the Raiders, and Oakland has embarrassed itself in each of its last two MNF home late shows _ including a 27-0 (Art) Shelling against San Diego.
Cable’s response?
Bring it on.
“It’s great because we need to get into a competitive deal right away, see where we’re at, where we can go,” Cable said at the NFL owner’s meetings. “There are a lot of positives.”
No more “poor Raiders.” A good place to start.
Taking down the Chargers in Week 1, and there is really no other healthy way to look at it if you’re a player or coach, would allow the Raiders to build on their Houston-Tampa Bay finish in 2008 and utilize it as a springboard, much as they did when they finished the 1999 season with a win in Kansas City.
A guess at how the rest of the schedule could play out:
WEEK 2
It’s a road game by virtue of the fact that the A’s are at home.
Your “stick it to the Raiders” special would be a date in Pittsburgh, where the defending champions would have additional rest coming off their Thursday night opener with Tennessee.
With that being a little obvious, I’ll go with the New York Giants, and JaMarcus Russell getting a chance to show he’s not a bust before the world’s largest media market.
May as well give that rebuilt offensive line a test early and see where they’re at.
WEEK 3
With the A’s on the road in Anaheim and home the following week, the Raiders will likely be at home for this game. Otherwise, they’d have three straight games on the road for the first time since 1993.
I’m sensing one of those early-season home dates against the Chiefs, with Cable leaving his fake field goal play in the trash can.
WEEK 4
A road assignment at Cleveland and defensive coordinator Rob Ryan seems about right. If Ryan’s defense in Cleveland is anything like the ones he had in Oakland, Darren McFadden, Michael Bush and Justin Fargas ought to be good for 170-plus yards and a few touchdowns.
WEEK 5
Back home and again within the division, this time against Denver, which enables the NFL for a site swap should Matt Holliday and Jason Giambi combine for the 125 or so home runs it would take to get the A’s into the playoffs.
WEEK 6
We’ll see if Russell can carry a passing offense by this point, because the Raiders aren’t going to run effectively on the road against Pittsburgh.
WEEK 7
If you’re the Raiders, a home game against the Bengals is the closest thing to a sure thing _ unless, of course, Chad Johnson is silver and black at the time.
WEEK 8
A good time for a week off. If those seven days are full of speculation about whether Jeff Garcia should be starting, the Raiders are in trouble.
WEEK 9
You get the Bengals, a bye and then visit Houston to face the Texans. Life is good.
WEEK 10
You can bet Cable will be remind his team how badly they got pushed around in Baltimore last year when the Ravens visit the Coliseum.
WEEK 11
A road game in San Diego means there won’t be much of a travel issue on a short week heading into Thanksgiving.
WEEK 12
Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall when Jerry Jones gives Al Davis a personal tour of his new football palace before the Raiders play Dallas on Thanksgiving Day?
WEEK 13
Those few extra days of rest are going help Cable and Co. devise blocking schemes for the myriad blitzes of the Philadelphia Eagles.
WEEK 14
Having won their first game outside the state of California after Dec. 1 the previous year in Tampa, the Raiders try to make it two straight in Denver.
WEEK 15
After beating Brett Favre in the Coliseum the year before, Kellen Clemens makes the Jets seem even less daunting.
WEEK 16
Ah, the freezing wind, the smell of barbecue . . . it’s Arrowhead Stadium and the Chiefs in late December.
WEEK 17
Wonder if Albert Haynesworth will still be healthy by now? It will be clear even before the Raiders host Washington in the finale if their conservative free agency approach was the way to go after Davis played it like Dan Snyder in 2008.
Playoffs
Cue Jim Mora.
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April 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am
ANDRE SMITH!!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Have a nice weekend fellas…I am outta here.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Duder,
No bro I never said…”Russell has more success than Cassell?? ” I said…”Russel& Cassel toss up But i’m a way bigger fan of Russels having more success than cassel…but as far as roster goes if we lose russel GOD forbid!!! we have Garcia…”
Atvantage Raiduuuuas…
Which means I think its a TOSS UP ie above/ and I would be a bigger fan of russel HAVING more sucsess than Cassel… NOt sayin he has been more sucsessful…
But yes we can agree on one thing the donks really F-ed up!!! LOL
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
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April 10th, 2009 at 10:31 am
thanx Jerry…
April 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Oher the MACK!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Jerry That was Great….anything is possible at 8-8 we could win the division!!!!!PLAYOFFS?!?!?!?! cue trade down the 7th pick!!!!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
408,
I don’t usually see you here in the mornings, but glad you are here.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Cassel had a much better coaching staff and supporting cast in NE.
better o-line, receivers, defense, etc. 2 of his only 3 weapons on offense are disgruntled and want to be traded (LJ & Gonzo) guard Brian Waters isn’t happy either
Don’t expect Cassel to pick up where he left off last year. Plus he got sacked A TON
April 10th, 2009 at 10:35 am
thanx O
3 day weekend….
April 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
no creation talk??? hooorayyyy!!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I hate to say, but I am catching Crabs.
M. Crabtree at 7 would be very good.
Or Bean-O-Wells
April 10th, 2009 at 10:38 am
no creation talk??? Thank god!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
666,
Don’t kill me, but I’m not an Elvis Fan. Any time I talk about how much I like the 50s -late 60s, I get so much Sh!t for not being an Elvis fan. I love Al green, Ray Charles, and others. When it came to Rock, I like Jimmy, Pink, Eagles, Rolling Stones, Beach boys, and others.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Meredith looks like a smarter version of Mario Henderson. Total Cable pick.
Gilbert is a total Al pick.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
#7 is Crabtree or Big fat floppy tits A. Smith… but i like the additions to our O-line already.. i hope Creabtre falls to us.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:40 am
No kids this weekend 408?
April 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Yeah double R,
I’m sure that when duder realized he was making stuff up and saying it out loud he quit putting words in my mouth….
Cassel was surouned by probably the best coached {cheaters) well organized by far one of the most talented teams in the leauge… and did pretty well expct him to fall on his face in KC unless they fill some of those HOLES!!!!!!!!!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
set up your dates thru i.m… it’s ok you guys are gay but keep the personal stuff at home.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am
What if Russell looks like crap in preseason and Garcia is lights out? I have no loyalty to Russell just because he gets paid the most. I would like to see them start whoever can win.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:44 am
this post was annoying…. S.D will kill us and destroy our young confidence week one….. the league always seems to set us up to loose week one.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
I’m hoping 4 a December game in Oakland vs KC.I’m positive I could make that one Norco Bob or maybe a late Nov.game at home vs. KC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
To trade the 7th pick, we would need to get a #1 WR, and a mid round pick.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
o..
2 days without then back 2 biz…
April 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
start Russel.. Garcia is too old… we need a starter for years to come… if Russel can be the man, we’ll get the consistancy the top teams have..
April 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Usr the mid round pick on OG/C depth.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
JWB,
Its not really about the money or even winning this year its about long term stability… and garcia is not the awnser I would rather struggle to a 6or 8 win season with russell devolping than to win the divsion at 10-6 with garcia.. we are more than one QB away from a ‘SHIP Keep your eyes on the prize JWB “the foundation is the future”!!!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 10:47 am
BART Bridge Blues: i responded to your post/question in the other blog
April 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am
great QBs are usually in the playoffs… every year.
if Russel can be great, or at least good enough to keep his job for ten years we will start to win again..
remember the 70’s??
April 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Garcia is 39, so if you start him this season, who will you start the next? JR after a missed season!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Russell only has 16 starts under his belt. Give him 32 more and surround him with continuity on the coaching staff. Give him a weapon at WR and some beasts on the o-line.
Then if he still stinks we can look to replace him, but not with a washed up scrub like Garcia …
April 10th, 2009 at 10:54 am
JR needs time to develop. He has great talent, and he didn’t do too bad last year for his 1st season as a starter. 12TDs and 8 INTs, and over 55% cmp. Not bad for his 1st season. What did peyton do his 1st season, and he has Marvin??
April 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Peyton had Marvin and M F, but didn’t do better than JR.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am
who do you guys think Russell will be like?
McNabb, McNair, Culpepper (in his prime) ???
Here’s hoping he’s not like Vince Young, Byron Leftwich or Akili Smith!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I hope he’s like Russell.. you know in a league of his own on a whole nother level of greatness…
April 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I say more like Warren Moon. He will throw a nice deep pass, and buy time with his feet if he has to.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Sapp was regarded as one of the most intelligent players ever to play in the NFL. Therefore, it’s not surprising that he lists intelligence as the most important factor in scouting a player.
“Start with the intelligence,” Sapp said. “Then go to the speed and quickness. Those are things you can’t teach. Then the ability to have loose hips. I don’t know what that means, but my coach told me that’s what I had. If you have those things, then get down in there. It has nothing to do with size.”
Anyone who coached Sapp or coached a team that played against Sapp spoke of his intellect, his vast knowledge of the game and the ability to break down an opponent and exploit an individual’s and a team’s weakness.
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one more reason why Raji is not Sapp. He’s not a smart man. BJ Raji is a moron and the Raiders should take notice and steer clear
April 10th, 2009 at 11:06 am
I watched the last two games of 2008 recently and let me tell you, JaMarcus has the stuff to be the best QB in this league.
I’m not saying he will definitely rise to that level — he really needs to develop his footwork and his decision-making remains inconsistent. But he has the ability to be truly great. Aside from the ridiculous arm strength, he knows when to throw with touch, he’s pretty poised for a 1st-year QB and is big/mobile enough to keep plays alive. I’m really excited to see what this kid can do.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Assuming everything works out as planned, this will be a run-first team, lots of two-TE sets, a few passes mixed in, some nice red-zone lobs for variety, and the occasional long-bomb to keep defenses honest. We don’t need Garcia starting to be succesful in that offense. I think J-Russ, assuming he is not a complete bust should be able to learn the position while making a few mistakes without ruining the rhythm of the offense as a whole.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I say more like Warren Moon. He will throw a nice deep pass, and buy time with his feet if he has to.
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nice one
at least we know he’s not a Randall Cunningham, Aaron Brooks, Michael Vick type of quarterback!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
What about a bigger version of Terry Bradshaw?
Bradshaw was a pretty big QB for his time. Unrivaled arm strength. No. 1 overall pick. Played college ball in Louisiana. I wouldn’t mind winning 4 SBs with JaMarcus.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Russel Definitly has the tools to be great but we need to keep them safe buy geeting a new shiny tool box(i.e) LEFT TACKEL!!!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Assuming everything works out as planned, this will be a run-first team, lots of two-TE sets, a few passes mixed in, some nice red-zone lobs for variety, and the occasional long-bomb to keep defenses honest.
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a run first team still needs blockers and receivers. otherwise you’ll play a run stuffing team like the Vikings, Steelers or Ravens and they’ll dominate you. Russell needs to be able to win games with his arm, not just “manage a game”. otherwise our offense won’t change. it’ll be run-run-pass-punt and the defense will get worn out
April 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
“one more reason why Raji is not Sapp. He’s not a smart man. BJ Raji is a moron and the Raiders should take notice and steer clear”
The dude graduated from BC and they have pretty stringent academic guidelines
April 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Chris in NY Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
What about a bigger version of Terry Bradshaw?
Bradshaw was a pretty big QB for his time. Unrivaled arm strength. No. 1 overall pick. Played college ball in Louisiana. I wouldn’t mind winning 4 SBs with JaMarcus.
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LOL and they have the same inteligence level ..LOL sorry not a russel hater at all and I actully like bradshaw but lmao they talk alike even!!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I say more like Doug Williams a controversial career and one of the most accurate deep ball arms to ever play.
And a Super Bowl Champion that’s who JaMarcus most resembles.
Raider O its OK Elvis is not for everyone.
What about the Killer Jerry Lee Lewis?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
“one more reason why Raji is not Sapp. He’s not a smart man. BJ Raji is a moron and the Raiders should take notice and steer clear”
The dude graduated from BC and they have pretty stringent academic guidelines
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I didnt go to BC but I did graduate and if you can play ball you grades mysteriously get to the passing level…….
O-line for’09
April 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am
who do you guys think Russell will be like?
McNabb, McNair, Culpepper (in his prime) ???
Here’s hoping he’s not like Vince Young, Byron Leftwich or Akili Smi
I say more like Warren Moon. He will throw a nice deep pass, and buy time with his feet if he has to.
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Why are you comparing him only to black QB’s???
He will probably be most like John Elway!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
JaMarcus actually has significantly better numbers than Bradshaw had through two seasons — for those of you who actually listen to the BSPN crowd that wants to label JaMarcus a bust already.
BTW, when JaMarcus starts kicking azz those BSPN analysts will be sure to paint the picture that they knew all along how great he was going to be and have been predicting it from Day 1.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Why are you comparing him only to black QB’s???
He will probably be most like John Elway!
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The human mind works in wierd ways……no?
O-line for’09
April 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
What about a bigger version of Terry Bradshaw?
Bradshaw was a pretty big QB for his time. Unrivaled arm strength. No. 1 overall pick. Played college ball in Louisiana. I wouldn’t mind winning 4 SBs with JaMarcus.
I can see that.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Troll 35
You are correc, compare the academic requirements of a Boston College verses Miami?
No comparison academia wise, not even close.
Why do you think Notre Dame and Stanford’s football teams are struggling?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
The human mind works in wierd ways……no?
O-line for’09
Yep!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
“I didnt go to BC but I did graduate and if you can play ball you grades mysteriously get to the passing level…….”
O-line for’09
Maybe at Fresno State or LSU, but schools like Notre Dame and Boston College won’t take the chance
April 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Obviously Russell has to win with his arm on occasion, but not so often in this offense that we should even consider starting Garcia (outside of an injury to JRuss) Plus a lot of the throws will be designed deep routes where the quick-thinking, mobile Garcia would not be an advantage. My point was simply that we should N-O-T be hearing any Garcia chants at the games this year regardless of Russ’s performance, let him work it out.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:23 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Troll 35
You are correc, compare the academic requirements of a Boston College verses Miami?
No comparison academia wise, not even close.
Why do you think Notre Dame and Stanford’s football teams are struggling?
Didn’t see your post before I posted mine :8)
April 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am
April 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Bart Bridge
Some Stuff on OT Gerald Cadogan, he played at Penn State:
“Cadogan developed into one of the sound blocking technicians in the country, emerging in his senior year as a player who can add to the university’s impressive record of producing solid pro offensive lineman.
Cadogan shifted to left tackle in 2007. The All-Big Ten Conference choice registered 71 knockdowns, as his 16 touchdown-resulting blocks were the second-best total in the league, topped only by Michigan’s All-American tackle Jake Long (17), who was the first pick of the 2008 NFL Draft by Miami.
Cadogan was dominant as a senior. He joined Wisconsin All-American offensive tackle Joe Thomas (2006) as the only offensive linemen in league history to record seven blocking consistency grades of 90% or better in 2008. He led the team with an 89.54% blocking grade, producing 106 knockdowns/key blocks and 23 touchdown-resulting blocks.
Compares To: JAMMAL BROWN, New Orleans — Cadogan’s quickness off the snap and confidence in his hands improved greatly in 2008. With his confidence gaining in leaps and bounds, he could be one of the bigger surprises among senior draft prospects, but might be a better fit at offensive guard or right tackle.”
Post Combine:
“Penn State’s Gerald Cadogan (6’ 5” 309 lbs) is quietly becoming an excellent NFL Draft Prospect. A possible steal in the 3rd or 4th round, he ran a nice 5.12 forty and has incredibly long arms at 35”.”
“Gerald Cadogan/OT/Penn State: Scouts always considered Cadogan a solid athlete and he proved them correct today. Cadogan posted times of 5.03 and 5.07 in the 40 and looked very athletic on the field. His bench press total of 26 repetitions was a positive sign for those critical of his strength.”
What do you think?.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Jerry, Art Shell had the “bring it on” attitude, too. And, it got brung. 14 out of 16 times. Hyperbole coming from the skip is not going to improve this team anymore than whining about a rough schedule would. Actually building competitive teams, and preparing them, is how you win. And, Al Davis has made it impossible for our head coaches to do either of those things, and will continue to make it impossible for Cable to do so. Don’t bother responding.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe at Fresno State or LSU, but schools like Notre Dame and Boston College won’t take the chance
TRUDAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
lol
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 11:28 am
How did you know where I went to school!!!!!
still LMAO!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Notre Dame and Boston College suck. Perpetually overrated football programs. Especially Notre Dame. The Notre Dame faithful are as crazy as Al Davis loyalists. Living in the past.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am
OAKlifer Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:28 am
How did you know where I went to school!!!!!
still LMAO!!!
O-line for ‘09
Trolls know everything
April 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Boston College hasn’t done jack since Doug Flutie threw that miraculous hail mary back in ‘84. Not a bad throw, for a midget.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Boston College hasn’t done jack since Doug Flutie threw that miraculous hail mary back in ‘84. Not a bad throw, for a midget.
They gave the NFL a QB named Ryan
April 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
My point was simply that we should N-O-T be hearing any Garcia chants at the games this year regardless of Russ’s performance, let him work it out.
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Agreed. My point was “give JR the tools to be successful”
You don’t give a ditch digger a toothpick or a spoon when he needs a shovel. you know what i’m saying?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Bob,
I checked him out, not sure why he slipped past my radar before, but he definitely has some skills. Apparently he is an accomplished singer as well, who sang at an Obama event. Well rounded guys like that are always better going into the NFL, they have a solid foundation for dealing with the fame, fortune and hype.
Sounds like his biggest knock is being inconsistent, which is scouts’ way of filling in the “weaknesses” column when nothing else jumps out. All players at every level suffer from inconsistency, every snap is different and your motor runs hot and cold, it’s just a fact of football. If being inconsistent at Penn State is his only flaw, then Cadogan is a player.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
RRS,
Agree whole-heartedly with your point: give J-Russ an upgrade at LT, TE, Center and RT, give him a full off-season to develop chemistry with WR’s that will actually play during the season, give him some stability in the playbook, set him up with run, run, run, then let him do his thing.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Footbal as we know t: for downs, the forward pass, scoring rules, most formations, most positions were invented by walter camp at Yale; which was the winningest and most dominant team until the 1950’s. in the 50’s the ivy league was formned and athletic scholarships were eliminated – now yale football sucks- There clearly is a correlation between academic strength and athletic weakness
April 10th, 2009 at 11:43 am
football as we know it: four downs…..
April 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Ryan will never win a Super Bowl, troll. He’s cursed. He’s from BC. Even Howie went to Villanova to avoid the the BC curse. BC sucks, bad, like Notre Dame.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Ryan will never win a Super Bowl, troll. He’s cursed. He’s from BC. Even Howie went to Villanova to avoid the the BC curse. BC sucks, bad, like Notre Dame.
That’s very logical.
I never thought about it like that 
April 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Why are you comparing him only to black QB’s???
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would you say Gabrielle Union, Halle Barry or Taraji Henson are similar to Jessica Biel, Scarlett Johansson or Jennifer Aniston?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:48 am
BART
Yeah, with guys like Meredith, Cadogan and a few others available past the 1st round, no wonder Cable feels the OT class is 3 rounds deep.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I hope Russell comes out as a more accurate version of Brett Favre.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar,
I was thinking of throwing some Raji highlights to this clip and sending it to Al Davis for draft day when the Raiders are on the clock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXsIsjUv46o
April 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
SnB Defense : better make it a slide show
Al Davis is old fashioned …
April 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar,
I was thinking of throwing some Raji highlights to this clip and sending it to Al Davis for draft day when the Raiders are on the clock.
Do you have and overhead projecter?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Bob,
I really like Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe, but considering they will most likely be gone by #7, it seems like we will have to get a LT later in the draft. Luckily Meredith and Cadogan will be there, and also some other sleepers that I like such as Joel Bell, Alex Boone, Xavier Fulton, Lydon Murtha, Troy Kropog, Sebastian Vollmer, Garrett Reynolds, William Beatty, Augustus Parrish. Seems like this draft is not only deep, but also producing a lot of ZBS friendly lineman, as several teams have switched over recently. I hope Michalzak (and not Cable) is doing the primary scouting for O-line talent. Cable is a suspect judge of personnel in my opinion.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:56 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Do you like putting Fishsticks in your mouth…..Then you are a gay fish!!
That was so funny. South Park still has it!!
Oh
I like shark 
April 10th, 2009 at 11:59 am
SnB Defense : i’m sure every college player trying to make it in the NFL has youtube videos of themselves tearing it up
April 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I’m starting to come back to the Crabtree option.
I was looking at some obscure Mock, I don’t even remember the site, the guy had the Raiders taking Crabtree which is no shocker, but his reasoning was so simple, yet made so much sense…
He said: “The Raiders have plenty of young, fast wideouts to develop, but they don’t have a star”.
If there’s one thing Al Davis loves more than speed it’s “stars”, big names, decorated players, headliners and Crabtree is all of that.
Like Russell and McFadden before, Michael Crabtree is the biggest “star” of his draft class, Davis may not be able to resist and quite frankly, it’s starting to look like Crabtree is the safest choice, even with a bum wheel.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Ron Brace should send NFL teams videos of BJ Raji cheating off his classmates and taking bong hits at Boston College. Ron’s draft stock would soar!
haha
April 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Ron Brace should send NFL teams videos of BJ Raji cheating off his classmates and taking bong hits at Boston College. Ron’s draft stock would soar!
haha
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LOL
April 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Bob,
Great minds think alike, I had posted a similar thread on here awhile back. If there is one thing that Al likes more than speed it is highly decorated players; he loves super bowl MVPS, heisman winners, former #1 picks, outland trophy winners, and Biletnikoff winners. The fact that Crabtree is the first two time winner of an award named after one of Al’s own prized recruits (literally) says a lot.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Scouts Inc. take: “Oakland is in need of help in a lot of areas. The Raiders can draft at receiver, offensive line or on the defensive line. I think the guy they should take is Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji. He’d be perfect there. But if they don’t go with Raji, I really like Michael Crabtree if he is there. I think he’d be a better pick for Oakland than Jeremy Maclin. Then, there’s a bunch of offensive tackles and Oakland will need to take one in the early rounds. But it starts with Raji or Crabtree.” — Matt Williamson, Scouts Inc.
I can agree with this assessment
April 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:54 am
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar,
I was thinking of throwing some Raji highlights to this clip and sending it to Al Davis for draft day when the Raiders are on the clock.
Do you have and overhead projecter?
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Yeah, just have to make sure the cooling fan in the projector still works.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
that would be a sweet highlight reel, a shot of Brace stuffing the run while Raji shoots the gap and misses, then cut to Raji finishing up a bong hit and coughing his a$$ off while reaching for the Doritos. All set to Luniz “i got 5 on it”. Then finish with a super slo-mo of Raji running the 40 yard dash, jiggling all over the place.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
“Yeah, just have to make sure the cooling fan in the projector still works.”
April 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
LOL @ post #91
Crabtree should make a highlight reel of Javon Walker’s issues in Green Bay, Denver and the Vegas Beatdown. Then find a clip of the media saying how crazy it was to sign Walker to a contract to be the #1 WR after all the injuries and the overpriced contract. All playing to Beyonce’s song “lemme upgrade ya”
April 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I like Maclin more than Crab. Maclin reminds me of Tim Brown. Tim was a little faster.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
If Al loves his Freaks, why not a 6′6 230 WR who can run 4.5? Ramses B from Cal Poly in the 3rd.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
91 Triple B,
Funny shZZZ…
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Raider O Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
If Al loves his Freaks, why not a 6′6 230 WR who can run 4.5? Ramses B from Cal Poly in the 3rd.
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I think that he will be the only receiver drafted by the Raiders in 2 weeks
April 10th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Bart
I could live with something like this:
1.- WR Michael Crabtree
2.- DE Michael Johnson – Jamon Meredith
3.- OT Gerald Cadogan – DE Kyle Moore
4.- DL Everett Pedescleaux – Chip Vaughn
April 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_pirates
thats what Im talking bout… we need 2 blow all them damn pirates out of the water…
April 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Ramses looks faster on the field.
We can have:
1- Ramses B, 6′6 230 runs 4.5.
2- Chaz, 6′4 220 runs sub 4.4
3- JLH, 5′11 185 ran a 4.44 but gas field speed
4- Arman, 6′1 190 ran a 4.36
5- Walker, 6′3 210. Vet WR.
I love it.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Why not Ramses Barden? because he’s a project WR
all we have on the roster are project WR’s (even Javon Walker) only 2 of his 7 seasons were productive.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I like Maclin, but he doesn’t look like a #1 WR to me. He is more of a slot-reciever, return man and all-around gadget player. We need a #1 WR, if any. Ramses Barden would be a great fit with this group. Big Red-Zone threat, with nice YAC moves, and a big target. If we draft this Cal Poly grad in the 2nd, I will be the first in line for a Barden jersey.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I could live with something like this:
1.- WR Michael Crabtree
2.- DE Michael Johnson – Jamon Meredith
3.- OT Gerald Cadogan – DE Kyle Moore
4.- DL Everett Pedescleaux – Chip Vaughn
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YES, YES AND YES !!!
April 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
SnB,
I hope so, I like the kid a lot. We have a guy like DHB: Chaz, Maclin: JLH, Crab: a faster Arman, so let’s get JR a tall, stronger WR, and can jump. Huge target for JR.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I wouldn’t mind this schedule. No matter which way you spin the schedule. It will be a tough one. It would be nice to see where the team is at the beginning of the season.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
We should offer the pirates a deal. If they turn the ship captain over they get to live past the end of this situation.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Bob,
I can dig it..
Crabtree would actually be the safest pick in the draft if the two LT’s are alreayd off the board.
I have doubts about Michael Johnson, but I know Al would not hesitate if he is still available, and I could live with that pick
I would put my current choices at:
1. Crabtree
2. Meredith or Robert Ayers DE
3. Chip Vaughn
4. Cyril Obiozor DE or Johnny Knox WR
7. Khalif Mitchell, Ernest Michell or Adrian Grady DT’s
April 10th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
The Broncos, Chargers, and Chiefs play all the same teams we do with only two exceptions for each team so the schedule should be no excuse. They could try to bury us early by front loading the schedule with difficult games but if we go out and win our fair share of those games then it would blow up in there face anyway.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
1- Raji/ Orakpo/ Crab/ Maclin
2- M Johnson/ Ayers/ Moore/ Brace/ Jarron Gilbert/ Robiskie
3- Ramses B/ Bruton/ OSU Freeman/ Samie
4- J Williams/ Chip Vaughn/ T Taylor
Any one of these players in the above RDs would make me real happy, except Maclin and Crab in the 1st.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/Bling_Shark.gif
April 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Jeremy Maclin would be fine too, clean prospect, very young, smart and people have gotten past his speed (everyone knows he’s fast), now he’s getting high praise for his work in position drills, which means running routes and catching balls, Torry Holt comparisons have been made.
Ramses Barden would be solid too, but I would wait for him to be there in the 3rd round (71st pick), I wouldn’t take him before.
But the point is, none of the is the “star” Crabtree is, go back a few posts to see what we mean.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Linebacker To Work Out For Raiders
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 10, 2009, 3:29 p.m.
Cal linebacker Zach Follett is set to conduct a private workout with the Oakland Raiders, according to Scout.com.
Follett is also scheduled to attend the San Francisco 49ers’ local draft prospect day.
An All-Pac-10 Conference selection, Follett recorded 23 tackles for losses and 10 1/2 sacks last season.
The 6′2,” 236-pounder met with Buffalo Bills team officials at the NFL Scouting Combine.
At the combine, Follett ran the 40-yard dash in 4.69 seconds and turned in a 37-inch vertical leap. He bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times at his Pro Day workout.
A projected fourth-round draft pick, Follett finished his career with 51 tackles for losses and 13 forced fumbles.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Raider O,
I’ve said this before: There won’t be enough balls for an expensive top 10 receiver to catch:
1. Zach Miller – 3 to 5
2. Darren McFadden – 3 to 5
3. Michael Bush – 2 to 4
4. Johnnie Lee – 3 to 4
5. 2nd Receiver – 3 to 5
So that’s 14 to 23 catches right there. So lets say on average 19 completions per game. So how many catches are left for a $30 million receiver? It better be something like 5 to 7 catches to justify the salary.
So that would mean 19 to 30 completions per game if you include the number 1 receiver. To generate those completion numbers the Raiders would have to throw the ball 30 to 50x per game to generate those kind of numbers.
Now you add a strong running attack that should be getting 30+ carries a game.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I wonder what Marshall’s evaluation of the personel on defense is that they can do the job or if he feels they need to be upgraded to stop the run. Ryan always said that he had great personel but somehow they never got the job done.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I won’t be angry, but not Really Happy about it. I can live with it. Ots not like I have a choice. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Given the number of passes required two questions:
1. Will the Raiders be throwing the ball 30 to 50x a game? — If so draft Crabtree
2. If the Raiders won’t be throwign 30 to 50x and running the ball 30+…then does an offense require a $30 million receiver to catch 3 or 4 balls a game?
April 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
SnB,
I don’t disagree. Read my post, and the next.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Also,
If the Raiders draft a receiver at #7, the offense will be compelled to make sure that receiver gets his catches to justify his salary.
I think Chaz Schilens can catch 3 or 4 balls a game. So can Javon Walker.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Linebacker To Work Out For Raiders
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 10, 2009, 3:29 p.m.
Cal linebacker Zach Follett is set to conduct a private workout with the Oakland Raiders, according to Scout.com.
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Finally, a draft update that makes sense!
April 10th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Why have a Good Friday when every Friday is good? We should have a Good Monday instead because the Lord knows we always need one of those instead.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
LINEBACKER TO WORK OUT FOR RAIDERS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 10, 2009, 3:29 p.m.
Cal linebacker Zach Follett is set to conduct a private workout with the Oakland Raiders, according to Scout.com.
Follett is also scheduled to attend the San Francisco 49ers’ local draft prospect day.
An All-Pac-10 Conference selection, Follett recorded 23 tackles for losses and 10 1/2 sacks last season.
The 6′2,” 236-pounder met with Buffalo Bills team officials at the NFLScouting Combine.
At the combine, Follett ran the 40-yard dash in 4.69 seconds and turned in a 37-inch vertical leap. He bench pressed 225 pounds 21 times at his Pro Day workout.
A projected fourth-round draft pick, Follett finished his career with 51 tackles for losses and 13 forced fumbles.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Given the number of passes required two questions:
2. If the Raiders won’t be throwign 30 to 50x and running the ball 30+…then does an offense require a $30 million receiver to catch 3 or 4 balls a game?
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Yes if those are redzone looks or jumpballs that he comes down with hey its not my money…..3or 4 extra touchdowns or jump balls sticks good with me…!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
SnB Defense – I figured the extra information would be helpful. =)
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Michael Johnson would be a terrible pick. The Raiders don’t need another Defensive End that loves to rush the passer but can’t stand in against the run
April 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Is Follett a Strong Outside Linebacker?
April 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
24 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
SnB Defense – I figured the extra information would be helpful. =)
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Yeah, the 15yr guy posted the full article. I would like to see Oakland get Zach Follett in the 3rd or 4th round. Definitely adds LB depth and competition for the SLB spot
April 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
BART
I didn’t know who Obiozor was, had to so some searching, the guy is definitely a great athlete with nice size, if he can play, bring him in.
Cyril Obiozor, Texas A&M
6-4, 264.
40 time: 4.72.
Bench: 25 reps.
Vertical: 39.5
April 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
24 yea follet is a ssolb
April 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
My source tells me that Al Davis is sold on Crabtree. Crabtree will be the pick unless someone takes him first, in that case, look for Davis to trade down.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
OAKlifer Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes if those are redzone looks or jumpballs that he comes down with hey its not my money…..3or 4 extra touchdowns or jump balls sticks good with me…!!
O-line for ‘09
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Jump ballls in the end zone….Schilens at 6′4 is more than capable of catching jump balls in the end zone. They are also looking at Barden for the same reason.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Munoz 26…. the same one that said #85 for bush last monday ?????
April 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I’m all for adding quality to the Strong Side. We’ve needed it for sometime. If Ricky Brown could’ve stayed healthy, he could have been effective but that wasn’t the case and he lacks ideal speed for the outside but I personally likes him because hes a tackle machine.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
My source tells me that the Ocho Cinco trade will still happen, we may have to wait till draft day, though.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Jump ballls in the end zone….Schilens at 6′4 is more than capable of catching jump balls in the end zone. They are also looking at Barden for the same reason.
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Dont get me wrong i love Schilens and I hope he pans out but ALL GREAT QB’s have #1 recievers and all #1 WR’s make even mediocore QB’s look good (i.e.) matt cassell Eli manning….
And we have no clear cut #1 WR that is a fact and a 2 time freddy B award winner with all the tools would set our offense up for years!! Jroc, Macfad, Bush, Crabbs, Miller, (AND A BRAND NEW SHINEY LT) and were set for years to come!!!
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
It is interesting to look at who the Raiders have been bringing in, if nothing else it is very telling about what positions they feel need improving. I have compiled a list of the players that the Raiders have been rumored to have interest in lately:
SS-Chip Vaughn
OLB-Aaron Curry
MLB-Rey Malaluga
CB-Alphonso Smith
WR-Ramses Barden
WR-Derrick Williams
DE-Jarron Gilbert
MLB-Jason Phillips
OLB-Russell Allen
CB-Derek Cox
WR-Jeremy Maclin
OLB-Jason Williams
TE-Chris O’Neal
TE-Anthony Hill
WR-Juaquin Iglesias
S-Michael Mitchell
OLB-Zach Follett
first thing that jumps out at you is the number of LB’s they have been looking at. secondly not one single offensive lineman, other than TE’s and no DT’s. Mostly just DB’s, WR’s and LB’s, not sure what to make of that given our lack of decent lineman.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
SnB
“If the Raiders draft a receiver at #7, the offense will be compelled to make sure that receiver gets his catches to justify his salary.”
And what would the Raiders be compelled to do to justify paying B.J Raji 20 million dollars when the guy only manages to play 50 to 60 percent of the snaps, you know, like he did at Boston College?.
At least a WR would be on the field contributing every play.
“Michael Johnson would be a terrible pick.”
What makes Michael Johnson a terrible pick but Jarron Gilbert a great pick?.
Both are athletic freaks with a ton of potential, the only difference is that Johnson has faced major competition and done well.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Bob,
I like what I have heard about this Obiozor kid, and many scouting reports have him weighing-in at closer to 275 lately, as he grows into his frame. He does everything well, but is not great at any one thing, but I want some beefier DE’s on this team, that can at least get in the way of the OT’s, if nothing else.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
“Cue Jim Mora”…lol
You’re a funny mofo, JerryMac….
April 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
first thing that jumps out at you is the number of LB’s they have been looking at. secondly not one single offensive lineman, other than TE’s and no DT’s. Mostly just DB’s, WR’s and LB’s, not sure what to make of that given our lack of decent lineman.
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Second thing is I didnt see Crabbs on that list…hmmm even tho his wheel is bad if we were thinkin of him at 7 wouldnt he be comin to speak to Mr. Davis???
O-line for ‘09
April 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Raiders are “on the clock” over at BSPN.com; somebody already posted the article by Wliiamson, but there’s a video at the bottom of the page, too.
Mort does his usual Raider hack job (this time it’s Jamarcus may be a bust, big surprise), but Tirico went out of his way to say that things are starting to look promising in Oakland and Trent Dilfer and Kiper actually had some interesting things to say.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Cable met personally with a small host of top prospects, including Raji, Cal Poly receiver Ramses Barden and who knows how many others. So, when Cable interviewed them a second time at the NFL Combine — which he did with those two players — it allowed him to ask follow-ups or press for new information.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Bart and no fb
April 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
If Ricky Brown could’ve stayed healthy, he could have been effective but that wasn’t the case and he lacks ideal speed for the outside but I personally likes him because hes a tackle machine.
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Finally, an accurate assessment of Ricky Brown!
Draft Zach Follett in Round 4 (if he’s there) then let them duke it out in camp …
April 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
When are Brien and Norco Bob going to magically pop in around the same time, as they do every day?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Teach, how is it a hack job to suggest that JaMarcus might be a bust? We’re talking about a quarterback with one single skill, which never flies in the NFL. That’s not a hack job. It’s observant commentary. It’s his job. Mortensen isn’t employed by the Raiders. It’s not his job to look for “promise”.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
BobMarley,
You asked: “And what would the Raiders be compelled to do to justify paying B.J Raji 20 million dollars when the guy only manages to play 50 to 60 percent of the snaps, you know, like he did at Boston College?.
My response: Any player at 300+ is not going to play every snap. Even Haynesworth ($100Million) only played 65% of snaps. That’s the nature of the position. The value is their ability to dominate those snaps they are out there. That is worth big bucks.
As for wide receiver, they are measured by receptions and TDs. I outlined why I thought a receiver in Oakland was only good for 3 to 4 per game and I proposed the question as to whether that’s worth $30 million.
You asked: “What makes Michael Johnson a terrible pick but Jarron Gilbert a great pick?.”
“Both are athletic freaks with a ton of potential, the only difference is that Johnson has faced major competition and done well”
My response: Michael Johnson doesn’t like sticking his nose in to stop the run. Gilbert has the size, with athleticsm to stick his nose in there. He’s considered a good tackler. The Raiders are 31st against the run and were 13th in sacks. Let’s focus on run stoppage.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
nobody liked my bling shark?? tough crowd 2day…
April 10th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Arizona State getting a little payback for McCain. They have some school officials lobby for an honorary degree for Obama, just so they can turn it down, on the count of his being “inexperienced”. Obama’s never said a peep. Never asked to be an honorary graduate, or anything. Same with Notre Dame. The “liberal” press is making it seem like Obama’s begging these schools to honor him, and that they’re turning him down. Come on, liberal media. Get out of Obama’s tank, man… LOL. Make Obama look bad, just once!
April 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Jerry you clearly are losing your mind,..anyway people, Im outta here,..headin ot the coliseum,…big home opener tonight,..no Ichiro, thats a bummer,…go A`s!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Bob Marley,
With that all being said, if the Raiders draft a receiver it better be Crabtree and NOT Maclin.
Part of Maclin’s value is his return game. We have no need for a returner. The other part of his game is speed….got plenty of that too thanks to Davis zealous efforts to draft speed over the years.
Maclin is rated as a mid to late pick unless the Raiders overreach for this guy.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Michael Johnson doesn’t like sticking anything in to stop the run. His goal on every snap is to outrun the tackle to the outside, and hope the QB is taking a 7-step drop. He might be able to develop other skills with NFL coaching, but I really hope somebody drafts this guy before our 2nd round pick, so that we don’t have to.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Alright, Brien, enjoy the game.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
how funny.i said the bay area media is the only place that calls maclin a jlh clone.mel kiper jr.called maclin a cliff branch type.cliff branch is a long way away from jlh.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/10/jared-allen-plans-to-give-jay-cutler-the-matt-schaub-treatment/ this is funny
April 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
By the way Jerry, I doubt the Steelers will play their first two games at home,..doesnt heppen much,…anyway, my Catfish jersy is on, the brew is in the truck,…got a bag of grass,…go A`s!
April 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Teach, how is it a hack job to suggest that JaMarcus might be a bust? We’re talking about a quarterback with one single skill, which never flies in the NFL. That’s not a hack job. It’s observant commentary. It’s his job. Mortensen isn’t employed by the Raiders. It’s not his job to look for “promise”.
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I would say its really unfair to label him a bust after 16 starts where he played okay to very well in about 6 or 7 of those starts.
Especially when history says it takes QBs a couple of years of starting to get the game down.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Did Mortensen label him a bust outright, SnB, or merely point out the likeliness of him ending up being one, considering he has one skill and one sill only, to throw a ball 50 yards?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Happy Friday Nation
Jamarcus gets 2 more full time seasons under center before I use any term that suggests bust.
The guy is just getting started.
Stabler, Plunkett, Gannon.
All would be considered busts, if the current criteria of some were used back in the day.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
“played okay to very well”
LOL…
April 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Michael Johnson doesn’t like sticking anything in to stop the run. His goal on every snap is to outrun the tackle to the outside, and hope the QB is taking a 7-step drop. He might be able to develop other skills with NFL coaching, but I really hope somebody drafts this guy before our 2nd round pick, so that we don’t have to.
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Agreed….Michael Johnson’s future is as a situational pass rusher worthy of a 4th or 5th round grade, not a 1st or 2nd.
Obsurd that pundits have Davis reaching for Johnson at #7, let alone #40
April 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Well, raiderlen, that’s just it, you’re a die hard Raider fan. Pretend its another NFL team that drafted Russell, then give us your take. That’s what Mortensen does. That’s his job.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
“played okay to very well”
LOL…
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What’s so funny about that statement. That’s what Russell did. I could understand bust remarks if the guy bombed every single start he had….but the inconvenient truth for Russell haters is that he did have good games that he can build on.
That’s fine that you don’t like Russell. Why don’t you explain why his 1st year as a starter is SOOOOOOOOO much worse than other elite QBs first starts? Try convincing us on something tangible insteady of just the fact that you don’t like him.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
The De’s in the 1st round are one dimensional not worth the 7th pick. We need a #1 receiver and Walker one year younger and one surgery ago last year is not the guy and if Sheilds is gonna be that guy great but we have no idea yet. So Crabtree is a good pick because he is polished and he is a winner. Raji is the best DT in the draft so he is a good pick of course he’s riskier if he really failed the drug test. Rey Mauluaga is another great pick because he is a true mlb that’s not gonna miss tackles, was the leader of the best d in college, makes the game changing big hits and would make our lb core plain nasty. Cushing is also a solid pick if he didn’t test dirty for steroids bcuz steroids would mean that Cushing isn’t naturally as gifted as he looked and without the roids you can see the difference in performance by looking at HR numbers in baseball. But if the reports are false he would allow Morrison to remain in the middle or move outside as Cushing is versatile, solid, and would give us a scary lb core.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Alright, SNB Defense, Russell is “okay to very well”. Got it. LOL. I’m sure in 20 years the HOF voters will have dropped their standards to nominees merely being “okay to very well”.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Did Mortensen label him a bust outright, SnB, or merely point out the likeliness of him ending up being one, considering he has one skill and one sill only, to throw a ball 50 yards?
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He said that Russell is behind because of his holdout in his rookie year.
I think its great that Russell is being held to a higher standard. That means people expect more of him and that speaks to his potential. Nobody cared that Philip Rivers sat the bench his 1st two years. I guess Russell is expected to be the greatest QB of all time.
He just might become that. But it still takes a little time.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
You guys are blowing the Mort comments way out of proportion, all he said was that it is not a good sign, when a coach starts calling out players to work harder. He said nothing of Russell’s on the field performance, just that if Cable has concerns, then maybe there is a chance he becomes a bust. Jamarcus is still a young man, it may be awhile before he has the confidence and stones to become the leader that Gannon was, if it ever happens.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
if Al Davis drafted Raji & Gilbert with his first 2 draft picks Rob Ryan would brown his britches.
John Marshall would beleive in miracles.
Tollner & Hackett would start looking for other jobs … Russell would go into a funk and an eating rampage. “this is all I get?” he yelled driving away from Raider HQ in dispair
April 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
SnB,
What % chance would you put on Russell being a PB caliber QB in this league?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
MR – What are you looking for…perfection?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
they need to get russell a #1 wr.and not count on walker to return to pro bowl form.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
You can tell the Raider fans in here & the ones sayiing JR is a bust. Someone said not long ago that Eli was a “bust” until he won a Superbowl.
Consider the sources to be that of Raiderhaters.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Alright, SNB Defense, Russell is “okay to very well”. Got it. LOL. I’m sure in 20 years the HOF voters will have dropped their standards to nominees merely being “okay to very well”.
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Your killin me man….We are not talking about evaluating him for the Hall of Fame. We are simply talking about a QB’s progress after his first 16 starts.
Maybe you expected a Brett Favre of Dan Marino clone out of the gate, but that wasn’t in the cards given the circumstances.
16 starts and there are several QBs who have had far worse starts or weren’t even on the field.
Russell is not a bust yet. Not even close.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
SnB,
What % chance would you put on Russell being a PB caliber QB in this league?
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I wouldn’t know the percentage. But given that he only threw 8 ints I would say he’s off to good start. His chances are just as good as any of the NFL greats that have played the game at this stage in their careers. He’s got the physical tools, he doesn’t throw INTs, he doesn’t get down on himself…I’d say his chances are pretty good.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Well, raiderlen, that’s just it, you’re a die hard Raider fan. Pretend its another NFL team that drafted Russell, then give us your take. That’s what Mortensen does. That’s his job.
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If I were a fan of any other NFL I’d say the same thing.
I used the names of past Raiders QB’s because it is most relevent here.
In NY would Phil Simms have been considred a bust?
Eli Manning prior to the Super Bowl win?
Doug Williams, Steve Young, Joe Montana?
Terry Bradshaw, Drew Brees?
It takes Talent, Hardwork, Good Coaching, a consistent offensive philosophy.
Jamarcus will be fine if the requisite elements are in place.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
russell will be much improved this year.theirs a buzz about this team right now.just get the man a wr,and a center would help the run game this .they play the 3-4 10 times this year,satele is not the answer at center,would be great at guard and that would put copper on the bench as a back up.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the second round, 33rd overall in the 1991 NFL Draft.[12] Atlanta coach Jerry Glanville did not approve of the drafting of Favre, saying it would take a plane crash for him to put Favre into the game.[13] Favre’s first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown. He only attempted four passes in his career at Atlanta, completing none of them.[4]
The Green Bay Packers general manager Ron Wolf traded a first–round pick (19th overall, RB Tony Smith, Southern Miss) for Favre during the following offseason. Wolf, while an assistant to the general manager of the New York Jets, had intended to take Favre in the 1991 NFL draft, but Favre was taken by the Falcons on the previous pick.[13]
According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and other sources, during the physical after the trade, Favre was diagnosed with avascular necrosis, the same degenerative hip condition that ended Bo Jackson’s career, and doctors recommended his physical be failed, which would nullify the trade. Wolf overruled them
(What I am getting here, is things can change for everybody. Favre was an example of someone who was looked at as an instant bust and the guy went on to have a great career. You never know.)
April 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
if Al Davis drafted Raji & Gilbert with his first 2 draft picks Rob Ryan would brown his britches.
John Marshall would beleive in miracles.
Tollner & Hackett would start looking for other jobs … Russell would go into a funk and an eating rampage. “this is all I get?” he yelled driving away from Raider HQ in dispair
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Ryan browned our collective britches with his playcalling.
John Marshall would say thank you.
Tollner and Hackett would continue planning an offense to exploit Russell’s arm, Schilens size and speed and make sure Walker’s knee and ankle are ok.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
“He said that Russell is behind because of his holdout in his rookie year.”
Which is true…
“I think its great that Russell is being held to a higher standard.”
He’s not, considering he was an overall number one pick. So take as much joy as you’d like in your own paranoid delusions.
“That means people expect more of him and that speaks to his potential.”
That makes no sense, whatsoever. Every single person in the world has potential. Potential has nothing to do with rather or not someone is a good NFL quarterback. Talent and knowledge of the game do.
“Nobody cared that Philip Rivers sat the bench his 1st two years. ”
Rivers wasn’t a number one overall pick. Eli was the big deal that year, and Rivers was the second fiddle that NY gave to SD only because Eli refused to play there. Rivers was not a number one overall pick. Russell was. Stop assuming that I don’t know what I’m talking about, because I do.
“I guess Russell is expected to be the greatest QB of all time.”
He’s expected to play like a number one overall draft pick, and nothing more. Stop being dramatic.
“He just might become that. ”
Far more evidence to suggest he probably won’t.
“But it still takes a little time.”
No, it doesn’t. Sure, it may take time to win a Super Bowl or shatter records, but being a team leader, a smart decision maker, and displaying talent in every facet of the qb position does not take time. It’s evident from the get go. And all that’s evident from JaMarcus is that he can throw a mean fast ball down field, to receivers that can’t even catch the ball.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Young signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1985 after being the first player selected in the year’s supplemental draft. However, the Buccaneers posted 2–14 win-loss records in each of Young’s two seasons with them, and Young’s record as starter was 3–16. In his 19 games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21 interceptions while completing fewer than 55% of his passes. Although his time in Tampa Bay was miserable, San Francisco 49ers coach Bill Walsh was impressed by Young’s natural abilities and felt that his problems were due to the struggling Bucs organization.
When the Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft, Young was deemed a bust and traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987, to serve as a backup to Joe Montana. The Buccaneers received 2nd and 4th round draft picks in the trade, which they used to draft Miami linebacker Winston Moss, and Arizona State wide receiver Bruce Hill, respectively. Young would spend the final 13 years of his career with the 49ers, a stint which would help him become one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history, and earn membership in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame in 2005.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Nobody cared that Philip Rivers sat the bench his 1st two years. I guess Russell is expected to be the greatest QB of all time.
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thats because Drew Brees was winning games.
Obviously McCown/Culpepper weren’t …
Russell was a very RAW talent when we drafted him. basically had to start from scratch and teach him the fundamentals. We drafted him based on potential, not production. Hopefully he lives up to that potential
April 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
The Real MaddenRaider is a bust as a Raider fan!
April 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Before he entered the NFL, UCLA coach Tommy Prothro had called him the “best pro quarterback prospect I’ve ever seen”, echoing Sweeney’s words from the year prior. His excellent arm strength and precision made him attractive to pro teams that relied much more heavily on the passing game than most college teams of the late 1960s. In 1971 he was drafted with the first overall pick in the NFL draft by the New England Patriots (the team was still known as the Boston Patriots at the time of the draft; the name change to New England did not become official until March 21 of that year).
Plunkett owns the distinction of being the only player of Hispanic heritage to be drafted with the first overall pick in the NFL draft. The Patriots finished the season at 6-8, fourth place in the AFC East—a marked improvement from their 2-12 last-place finish of the season before. Plunkett’s first game was a 20-6 victory over the Oakland Raiders, the Patriots’ first regular-season contest at Scahefer Stadium.
New England also influenced the AFC East championship race, as Plunkett’s 88-yard fourth-quarter touchdown pass to former Stanford teammate Randy Vataha on the final day of the season dropped the Baltimore Colts to a 10-4-0 record and into second place in the division behind the 10-3-1 Miami Dolphins. Two weeks before the Patriots defeated the Colts, Plunkett engineered a 34-13 victory over the Dolphins.
In 1976 Plunkett was traded to the San Francisco 49ers, and led the team to a 6-1 start before faltering to an 8-6 record. After a 5-9 season in 1977, the 49ers released him during the 1978 preseason.
Plunkett then joined the Oakland Raiders in 1978…(And you know the rest.)
April 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The difference between Russell and ALL those guys you want to compare him to is Russell plays for the worst organization in football. He is expected to go to battle with a scrapheap OL and a bunch of bums at WR. He also has to try and grow in an atmosphere that is the dictionary definition of dysfunctional. If Russell was in Pittsburgh or Carolina or Indi his chances would be decent. Since hes in Oakland, he has almost ZERO.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
The Real MaddenRaider,
maybe your boy kiffen desevers some blame.hold out or not russell should have been starting by the 12th game of the year.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
The Real MaddenRaider is a bust as a Raider fan!
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LOL
April 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Dude is a bust at being a psychic.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The difference between Russell and ALL those guys you want to compare him to is Russell plays for the worst organization in football. He is expected to go to battle with a scrapheap OL and a bunch of bums at WR. He also has to try and grow in an atmosphere that is the dictionary definition of dysfunctional. If Russell was in Pittsburgh or Carolina or Indi his chances would be decent. Since hes in Oakland, he has almost ZERO.
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Dude, put down the cheetos and go for a walk.
Disfunction is now in Denver.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Philip Rivers was drafted because Drew Brees was struggling. It wasn’t until Rivers was drafted that Brees became a Pro Bowl QB and put the team into a decision that the difficult to make. The part that made it easy was that Brees hurt his shoulder in the final game of the season and the Chargers were more willing to gamble with Rivers than Brees and his shoulder but Sean Payton was willing to take the risk and signed him in New Orleans.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
MaddenRaider,
I am not going to say there isn’t a chance Russell could be a bust. Hell, Flacco and Ryan could still become busts.
My only point is that you cannot make an informed decision on a young QB (good or bad) after 16 starts. I don’t care if its Peyton Manning or Tim Couch. It takes time.
QBs aren’t running backs or defensive lineman. The game speeds up, coverages are different and there are other things that I will never know.
This Russell is going to be “great/bust” is just premature.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dude, put down the cheetos and go for a walk.
Disfunction is now in Denver.
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LOL
April 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Some of you are so dillusional its almost sad. Its almost like the last 6 years never happened. LOL.
And Tom Cable is the guy thats going to change everything right? LOL
April 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
LMFAO!!!
408RAIDER Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/Bling_Shark
April 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Dude – Nobody said Tom Cable was the next Hall of Fame coach. Theres no guarentee that Jamarcus Russell will become great either but are we all supposed to put our heads down in sorrow with the feeling that we’re going to have a 2-14 season? The season itself is stressful enough, all we can do is “hope” things will work out. Theres no guarentees but we have to look at the positives until the negatives start to show.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Tom Cable is the guy thats going to change everything right?
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if he does you’ll feel like a real d-bag, won’t you?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The difference between Russell and ALL those guys you want to compare him to is Russell plays for the worst organization in football. He is expected to go to battle with a scrapheap OL and a bunch of bums at WR. He also has to try and grow in an atmosphere that is the dictionary definition of dysfunctional. If Russell was in Pittsburgh or Carolina or Indi his chances would be decent. Since hes in Oakland, he has almost ZERO.
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I don’t agree with you but this is a much better argument you present than people saying, oh Russell just doesn’t have it B.S. The Raiders have to do a much better job of building an environment where ALL of their young talent can be successfull, especially the QB.
The Raiders wasted Russell’s first year and a half with a stupid contract holdout and substandard coaching. However, I think Cable, Hackett and Tollner are good veteran coaches, Garcia is a vet that will set a good example in practice etc, and Russell seems to have a personality that can weather some of the B.S that has been around him.
I think the organization is building around Russell to give him a chance to be successfull.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Cable, Hackett and Tollner? Are you freakn serious? Those 3 together are probably one of the worst staffs in the NFL. How do you even convince yourself of this crap?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Some of you are so dillusional its almost sad. Its almost like the last 6 years never happened. LOL.
And Tom Cable is the guy thats going to change everything right? LOL
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Dude,
The last 6 years happened alright.
The difference between Raider Nation and Donkey Fans is that we will never give up or lose hope.
We are fighters, in the best sense of the word.
I can’t wait to see how You handle the implossion happening in Denver.
I guessing like Charger Fan and others, it will be with a wimper.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
If he does I will be THRILLED. I long for the days of enjoying Sunday afternoons. I wont hold my breath though.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I will live in reality untill something actually changes.
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And THEN you’ll leave?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Number 1- Why do I care what happens in Denver?
Number 2- Arent you assuming there will be an implosion?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Dude – Hope doesn’t mean I live in a fog. I see the reality as its possible to do both. You can be miserable all you want. The odds certainly don’t look good for the Raiders but who the hell was John Madden back in the day? There was no guarentee that Tom Flores would be that good of a Head Coach with a guy like Jim Plunkett at QB either. Mike Shanahan was a nobody as well but Davis saw something in him but attitudes clashed and Shanahan punked us for the last 15 years so Davis obviously saw “something”.
Cable could be Joe Bugel or Mike White but just don’t know that. Cable is surrounded by a talented group of coaches with alot of experience and you have to look at that as well. We just don’t know. I know what the reality is and I know we can continue this downhill trend but I hope it doesn’t. My life doesn’t depend on it. Theres reality.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Did you call yourself a “fighter”? LOL!! I wonder if other NFL teams fans are so rediculous?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
My life doesnt depend on it either, but when the Raiders aren’t an embarrasment my life is a bit better.
“Talented group of coaches”?? Like who? This staff rivals the worst in Raider history.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
24 post #202
You are freaking me out.
We are thinking alike.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Dude – Assuming there will be an implosion in Denver is the same as assuming there will be an implosion in Oakland. Every year is different and Denver’s Ownership has taken more heat than Al Davis this time. They don’t have Shanahan’s hate anymore either. Norv Turner and the Chargers General Manager and breaking that team apart slowly and they didn’t help with how they treated LaDainian Tomlinson.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RaiderLen – Haha. We must be smoking the same stuff I guess? Remember, we’re in a daze and we don’t see things very clearly. Haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Howd Shanahan do in Oakland?
Did you really just tell me to say it to his face? LOL!! Where do you jackasses come up with this stuff?
Cable got hired because he went on and on how the Raiders were his dream job and how hes ALWAYS been a fan and blah, blah, blah. He didnt earn squat.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Did you call yourself a “fighter”? LOL!! I wonder if other NFL teams fans are so rediculous?
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How about not a quiter?
Get it?
And by the way, get off the barcolounger and fight for your fitness.
There…I used it in a sentence that best describes the word in a given context.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Actually I just got back from about a 5 mile hike while scouting for deer, so I earned a little lounger time. I see youve ran out of bullets, so you start with the barco lounger stuff. Thought you were a “fighter” ? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
There are Raiders fan’s who live with Shields up at all times. Those fans include MaddenRaider and Dude. You’ve been hurt by the Raider’s poor decisions over the last 6 years just like you would be hurt if your lady was to lie and cheat on you and make you life terrible over the last 6 years. You would be crushed, pissed off, heart broken and mad as hell. I know it hurts but you gotta keep moving on and living and shrug off the B.S. You can keep your guard up but you don’t have to live in negativity. Everything will be alright. If the Raiders don’t play well next season, its not the end of the world. That won’t happen until 12/12/12 so enjoy your last days while you can.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
The worst staff in Raiders history????
Dude, you gotta stop with those white russians, you clearly have already forgotten the entire football season of 2006.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
24,
The Raiders are in the middle of an almost decade long implosion. No assumptions there. Do you even pay attention?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
On par with. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story. Tom Cable and Ted Tollner=Shell and Walsh
April 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Actually I just got back from about a 5 mile hike while scouting for deer, so I earned a little lounger time. I see youve ran out of bullets, so you start with the barco lounger stuff. Thought you were a “fighter” ? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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5 mile hike my ass. Scouting Deer…Hahahahahah
How does one scout something they cant see….
From a barcolounger.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
24,
well recognized in post 207, the shield of negativity to ward off further hurt.
Dec 21, 2012 rather than 12-12-12. A few extra days.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
i thought it was 12-21-12
April 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
raiders must win superbowl this year. so they can keep the “only team to win a superbowl in every decade” title.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
My bad…maybe I’m supposed to leave worth on the 12th while you guys live in the World of Dude’s and MaddenRaider’s Negativity until the 21st. Good luck with that. haha
April 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Oh poor RaiderLen. Just cant come up with anything can you? Well, keep “fighting” son, youll come up with something, someday.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Tom Walsh and Shell might not have been the worst coaching staff…I’m sure Walsh’s scrambled eggs and pancakes breakfast gave them a couple more points away from that title. Haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Cable already has more wins than Shell-Walsh-Ryan, in 12 games. Try again Dude. If you want to lower your expectation about the upcoming season, that’s fine, I understand the motivation to do that. But don’t come in here making outrageous claims like that, this is not even the worst Raiders staff this decade.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Dude Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Oh poor RaiderLen. Just cant come up with anything can you? Well, keep “fighting” son, youll come up with something, someday.
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Don’t need to come up with a thing.
I content to know that you’re still on the barcolounger getting fat, while scouting deer.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
The coolest thing would be for all the persons here and on BSPN who wanna call JaMarcus a bust after just a few snaps in the NFL, to line up one by one to face him up and say the same thing. And to have Russell look down into their sorry faces as he grabs them by their skinny necks with just enough pressure from his throwing hand to let them know that he means business and to tell them it is too bad that they feel that way.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I’m going to join your world Dude…
Damn, I’m so miserable. I have to get up in the morning and hope on this terrible blog where I have to force myself into conversations about the most dysfunctional NFL team EVER. I want to stop but I can’t because I’m addicted to terrible things. I want to say something nice but I can’t, in fact…I won’t. Nobody will make me. My Anger is the greatest power of all. You can call me Darth Vader. Anything anybody says, I will find something negative to say about it no matter what. Thats what my life goal is. Stupid blog with their stupid fans with their stupid team. I’ll show them.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
From the World of Dude/MaddenRaider…
Stupid TOM…How could Al Davis hire the Cable guy? Stupid Jamarcus. All he does is eat. Hes a bust. I expect him to be a Hall of Famer by now. This is B.S. I mean, he was a #1 Draft pick. Why hasn’t he broken all the records in the NFL yet? Stupid McFadden and his dumb toes. Why can’t the guy keep his feet on the ground…all slipping and sliding everywhere. He looks like hes on ice. What a bust…stupid figure skater. And Bush..I HATE BUSH! Fukin hairs in the mouth.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I’ve never understood why someone would come to a blog and just bitch, whine and complain.
I like to look at the positive aspects and build from that.
I’m also understaning of the crap that has been going on of the last 6 years.
I’d rather be criticly hopefull than blatently hopeless.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
From the World of Dude/MaddenRaider…
I hate Al Davis. I hate the Raiders. I hate the players. I hate the fans. I hate the blog. I hate Jerry McDonald.
But I’m a fan. I have to talk Raiders football everyday, 6 times a day on a stupid Raider blog. I’m a fan though. A REAL fan unlike any other. I see things in reality. I even see the future. I know whats coming next. I can predict. This is the worst franchise ever but I love them. I love them to death but they’re killing me. I love the Raiders so much I hate them. In reality though…we suck. I must love to suck to because I can’t stop talking about a team that sucks.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
24-
Bro you take the cake. I would love to live in your world.
MLonetree-
Did you really just post that? Wow.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
LOL…
April 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I’ve never understood why someone would come to a blog and just bitch, whine and complain.
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Unless they are getting paid. If not then it has to be a mental condition. Only Raider followers want the best otherwise why be here? To gloat because you are not a Raider follower.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I think, I will go out for a tall glass of Kool-Aid.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
24,
you’re on a roll!
April 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
So this blog is only fo RaiderKoolaid drinkn, Al Davis blowin, Silver and Black sunglass wearing fans? Ok. Now I know. Maybe I will head over to Raidernews.com and chat there. At least the boys ove there arent so “Pollyannaish”
April 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
That was the most difficult 3 posts I’ve ever had to make. I really had to pretend Dr. Phil was right in front of me in order to come up with that much negativity and hate but I think I’m feeling better now. Whew! Haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Calling the Cable staff the worst in Raiders history before they’ve even had a shot to prove their worth just shows how closed-minded the writer is.
Want a little credibility? Let somebody prove himself before criticizing him. Otherwise, it’s nothing but personal likes/dislikes and hot air.
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
(ps — TRADE DOWN and pick WR Hakeem Nicks!)
April 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I’ll go with the Mental angle TW.
Nobody wants to pay for anything anymore.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Do any of you actually CARE if the Raiders win or not? Or is it just good enough that they are the “Raiduhhhhs”?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
did some1 say Koll-Aid I love that stuff…
April 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Dude – Do you even know what Raider Koolaid tastes like? Its not like you can’t complain, we all do but you and MaddenRaider are the biggest b!tches around. I swear I smell pu$$y in here because you 2 are doing nothing but crying. You never have anything good to say. Everything is bad to you…thats the difference.
In fact…If we are all the things you said we are, will you go to Raidernews.com and chat there for good? Is that even considered chatting? You might make enemies there just as fast but go for it. Don’t let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Dude…What the fuk are you going to do to change the Raiders? Nothing. If we didn’t care, we wouldn’t be here talkin Raiders football and about the positive things we see. Why would we waste our time? But hey..for your sake..we don’t care..you can leave now.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
SnB and BART
Luckily for you guys it looks like Johnson won’t even be there in the 2nd round, I understand your concerns about him, but I have a feeling this guy could be the next Jevon Kearse.
“Michael Johnson, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech: At 6-7, 266, he was clocked in the low 4.6s, did 23 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press and looked very good in defensive line and linebacker drills, prompting talk that he could sneak into the first round.” NFLDraftScout.com
April 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Hayesdaze, It is a good day to be a Raider Fan.
I’ve witnessed the most sensible offseason in several years, and it appears as though the orginazation is working as one.
No factions or division.
The draft should also provide some additional insight as to how Cable /Davis are thinking.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you “changing” the Raiders by living in a dream world? Funk man, you are a joke. Positives? Lets hear 3 positives from your list. Just 3
April 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
24,
homage to you for these posts. A Good Friday indeed.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
RaiderLen,
Seriously. Where are you gettn the “sensible” offseason and “working together”? Serious question.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
M Lonetree,
Are you like, retarted?
April 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Marley Esq.,
if Michael Johnson is the next Javon Kearse wouldn’t the one pick be cheaper than the two for Julius Peppers?
April 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Dude, If you can’t see it then you are as blind as your posts have suggested.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
We have a new defensive coordinator.
We have signed alot of talented offensive lineman to compete for the starting Tackle and Center positions.
Al Davis signed his best players to stay with the Raiders.
Al Davis didn’t overspend on free agent’s.
Walker re did his contract to make it cap friendly and help the team to show hes not selfish and hes willing to prove his worth.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Dude…retarted? You mean retarded?
Gotta love it.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Kearse was injury prone, otherwise he could have dominated. He just broke down too fast.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
One thing interesting in the evaluation of the linebackers coming out of either SC or Cal is the input that Michalczik can give from knowing first hand what those players bring.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
LMAO 24 your killing me i spit my beer on the key board thanx lol
April 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Easy to admit: The Raiders have had a terrible go of it, trying to dig out of deep holes dug by Al/Art/Gruden/Kiffin/White/Bugel/B&B Man or another Boogeyman of your choice.
Ultimately, Al Davis has had the reins over a disastrous stretch, and he deserves all the legitimate criticism he gets.
So — where’s the argument?
Not a fan of Al? He don’t care — and I hope he keeps tight hold on those reins until they pry them from his arthritic fingers…just to make all the Al haters twist that much longer.
Go Al. Go Cable. Go Raiders.
Ahhhh, that felt good.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
M
Yeah, but Johnson becoming the next “Freak” is only a possibility, Julius Peppers is already better than Kearse ever was, so I’ll take Julius and lose the picks.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
24 is killin it today.
Good Job.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
oh isht 24 I didnt know you were a spelling police… LOL.. BTW who the hell is dude???
April 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Dude,
We have a Franchise QB, 2 Franchise RB’s, Oren O’Neil can be a franchise FB if he comes back from that serious injury, a franchise TE, talented youth at WR with JLH and Schilens. Walker is a decent veteran WR. We have the #7 pick to add another quality player, possibly a franchise WR in Crabtree if its possible. We have a rebuilding offensive line.
We have too many question marks on the defensive line but Tommy Kelly will come back even healthier from his injury the year before. Warren is solid. Burgess is injury prone. We have 2 very good linebackers. We have the best corner in the NFL. The other corner proved hes very good. Our Safeties have question marks. We have the best punter. Our Kicker is 50/50. We have very good kick and punt return ability with good players on special teams.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Michael Johnson scouting report…this guy is all pass rush and that’s only if he’s developed good moves. Don’t want to hear the words “gets manhandled” in a scouting report.
Strengths:
Has a large rangy frame with extremely long arms…Outstanding athleticism…Great speed…Quick and agile…Terrific range…Explosive with a burst…Does a nice job in pursuit and closes in a hurry…Great leaper and will bat down passes…A terror off the edge…Has shown the ability to make impact plays…Decent production…Has a ton of upside.
Weaknesses:
Lean with average bulk…Isn’t very strong, tough or physical…Has a terrible motor…Will get manhandled at times…Almost a non-factor against the run…Is not stout at the point and gets pushed around…Sub par instincts…Runs himself out of plays…Limited experience…Plays with poor leverage…Intensity and commitment have been questioned.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Dude go get back under your rock
April 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
408 – I’m not with the spelling police until someone tries to call someone retarded even though he can’t even spell the word. Its just funny to me thats all.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Cant think of any Len? Ok. I see 24 at least made an effort.
24-
Agree on D coord. Not sure how much JM will help though. He didnt do much in Seattle.
Stretching it by saying alot of talented lineman. Scrapheap guys more like it.
Al would have kept Aso and Lechler no matter what. Good move though.
What FAs did he have a chance to overspend on?
Walker is done. If he makes a dollar, he makes too much. No WAY, no WAY you believe that stuff about “not selfish” and poving his worth. He had NO choice in the matter. He had two choices, take the cut or be cut. He knew if he got cut he was done. Come on man.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I think it’s stoopid and rediculus for anyone to kritisize Dude for his speeling. Of coarse he’s not retarted — with Brien and Norco not singed on, he’s the braynes of the bolg today!
April 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
24 I know I’ve been reading 4 the last .5 hour… Just breakin ur balls…
April 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I like Trevor Scott as the pass rushing defensive end. Already in the system, has some NFL games under his belt and led his peer group in sacks in limited time.
Let’s put about 5 to 10 lbs on him get him to 260, 265lbs and turn him loose.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Dude,
I’m content.
You’re miserable.
Game, Set, Match.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Franchise QB? Who?
Franchise RBs? Who?
April 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
S&B
I like scott also… Lets hope he can do big things this year…
April 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
The fact the Raiders havent done anything dumb this offseason is worth 3 positives.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I like Trevor Scott as the pass rushing defensive end. Already in the system, has some NFL games under his belt and led his peer group in sacks in limited time.
Let’s put about 5 to 10 lbs on him get him to 260, 265lbs and turn him loose.
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SnB, Yes!
The Kid produced when given the opportunity.
I’d like to see what he can do over 16+ games.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
oh isht 24 I didnt know you were a spelling police… LOL.. BTW who the hell is dude???
He’s kewlquails buddie
April 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Question: What round would the following players go knowing what we know now? Here’s my shot:
1. Johnnie Lee Higgins = top of 3rd round (late 3rd)
2. Chaz Schilens = 3rd or 4th round (7th)
3. Trevor Scott = 2nd or early 3rd round (6th)
4. Mario Henderson = late 2nd early 3rd round (3rd)
5. Zach Miller = mid to late 1st round (2nd)
6. JaMarcus Russell = mid to late 1st round (1st overall)
April 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Dude,
John Marshall is a question mark but hes not Rob Ryan. That alone is addition by subtraction. He had Tatupu and Peterson as Pro Bowl Linebackers. Patrick Kerney made the Pro Bowl once at DE. Trufant made the Pro Bowl at Corner. I’m hoping he can get the best out of the guys we have.
I would agree with the offensive lineman but its hard to read with Tom Cable and his style of lineman. Hes looking at different things than we would. He has his own idea and hes been successful so if you can trust in him as a good offensive line coach, you have to trust in him with making these decisions.
Al has had a history of letting the good players walk while signing a bunch of unknown free agents or Heisman Trophy Winners or Superbowl MVP’s so to actually see him make a real effort in changing that this year was a very big deal. It was uncharacteristic and he at least deserves credit for that.
As far as Free Agents, its difficult to think of names off the top of my head but theres always someone and considering he overspent on Tommy Kelly despite his injury, possibly overspent on Gibril Wilson last year, overspent on Kwame Harris last year, overspent on Javon Walker and overspent on DeAngelo Hall with the 2nd round trade shows you that he could have found some more scrubs to spend that money on this year as well.
Regarding Walker…He could have taken the money and ran. Period. Take it however you want but he took a big pay cut when he could have RAN with the money. Hes talented, he just doesn’t have his head on straight.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Michael Bush = early to mid 1st round (4th)
April 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No, he couldnt have taken the money and ran. Hes coming off 2 MAJOR knee surgeries. He is so done its not even funny.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Michael Bush = early to mid 1st round (4th)
He was projected at that spot before the leg break, another reason not to trade him
April 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
HayesDaze,
very cleverly done.
Marley Esq.,
I understand that Michael Johnson has no business being in the discussion of the Peppers and Kearse and that scouting report of Michael Huff you shared yesterday created the idea of him as the second coming of Night Train Lane, but I still can’t fathom trading two first rounders for a guy that has had years in which he has disappeared on the field.
Night Train, what a great nickname. We have Mop Handle. Damn.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
SnB,
I think that would be a fair assesment other than Jamarcus.
I think he’d of still been top 10.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
“Franchise” players? That tag’s generally not given after a guy’s proven himself — it’s unfortunately given too soon most of the time. It’s as premature as someone saying JaMarcus is a bust, or that Cable’s not going to get the job done.
There isn’t a single GM in the NFL who would turn down the chance to have Bush and/or McFadden in his backfield.
I know of about twenty teams that could use a young QB with the upside-potential of JaMarcus Russell.
Only thing wrong with our youngsters is that they lack experience. Until they play more, they won’t even have a chance to live up to the “franchise” player moniker.
Only pure haters critique people BEFORE they’ve had a fair shot to prove themselves at this level.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Thanx trolly troll…
April 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Dude,
Thats my point. I will be honest. I wanted the Raiders to draft Brady Quinn over Jamarcus Russell. I said to everyone that I thought Russell had bust written all over him. I thought Quinn fit what Kiffin wanted to do. Russell was overrated. My opinion was that Russell could be good if he was brought into the right situation and treated with kid gloves. I personally liked the idea of making him sit and learn because history shows that QB’s coming out as Juniors almost fail 100% because they’re not ready for the game, they don’t have enough experience and they’re rushed too fast.
Russell was babied and it sounds like he needed it. To me, he was INCREDIBLY inaccurate last year. His passes were all over the field and everywhere except in the WR’s direction. I was not happy. I was happy with the change in attitude of the team and the gritty performances in the end. Russell played better, the playcalling by Cable was better and he seemed to get these guys prepared. With this continuity and better teaching coaches around him, Russell has a better chance. He needs more WR help but he has a chance.
Theres no guarentee but I think having Garcia helps in case the sh!t hits the fan. Garcia is not in his prime but hes not the beat up 39 year old most guys are because hasn’t started consistently the last 10 years. he lights a fire under Russell and can either push him or take his job and if he takes his job, we need to find someone else. Until then, JR has the talent to get it done, the question is whether he has it mentally.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
MaddenRaider is a known troll. He/she (I’m not intending to call him a woman as disrespect but both men and woman are trolls) comes in and posts stuff to get responses lately is has been inane anti-Davis stuff but previous it’s been anti-everything. He’s been baned for it, but he keeps coming back and back and back. There might be other people that genuinely like but question the Raiders moves, but he/she isn’t one of them. If I remember right, a while ago he was caught out as being a Bronco’s fan but that was after I got a filter that removed his posts from my view. There is zero point in reading any post by any of the MR aliases.
One way to identify a chronic bellyacher is to determine what exactly *could* happen that would stop the crying.
The last two off seasons have played out quite oppositely. So during one of the two, people should have been happy. Either you want to bring in high priced free agents or you don’t or you just want to complain. Liking or not liking the results is a completely different issue.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
“We have Mop Handle. Damn.”……Lo effin L…
April 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
SnB,
your list of re-projection is sound, but in the case of JaMarcus, the Raiders needed a QB, no question, and with the choice being JRuss or the Quintessential over-hyped Golden Domer it was in reality a fine choice whatever # he was drafted.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Dude,
Regarding the Running Backs. Once again, I was not in favor of drafting McFadden for many reasons. When I saw him run the way he did vs. the Chiefs, I realized he was much tougher than I anticipated. I still don’t think he will be as effective as an everydown player. he definately needs someone else to compliment him but he has the ability to take it to the house at any time with his speed and ability. He can run, catch and throw the ball.
Bush is the perfect compliment. This guy is very talented and more of the complete package. I was concerned about his toughness at first but he might have been holding back because of his injury from college. He got tougher as time went on and even though hes not a true in between the tackles punisher, hes more elusive and athletic who will put his shoulder down in the open field. He too can run, catch and throw making this tandem very talented.
If you can’t see that, you never will I guess.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
SnB
Wow..thanks for the heads-up!..you should e-mail that report to every team in the league, no one should touch this kid.
You know, it’s a good thing these scouting profiles are never wrong, specially when projecting how a college player’s game will translate into the NFL.
I wonder why the guy is climbing up Draft boards after teams worked him out in person? maybe they haven’t read that report?.
As I said before, Michael Johnson’s skills could turn him into the next Jevon Kearse or Jason Taylor.
These type of players may not be much vs the run, but they will give you double digit sacks every year and that’s far more valuable in this league than a 2 down run stuffing End.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Hayesdaze,
I agree. The Raiders are rebuilding.
That means build through the draft and develope the young guys.
Let them play.
Game speed and game situations develope talent and flush out the ones that can’t hang.
The Raiders will win some and lose some in the process, (player evaluation) but it has to be done.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I agree, regarding McFadden’s toughness…he’s a scrapper. However — his toughness is countered by the fact he DID get injured already as a pro (more than one injury), and he was injured in college, too.
Tough as nails doesn’t mean invincible. It’s why we need to shy away from Crabtree if he’s not 100% for sure.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
the nfl network is reporting darrius hayward-bey is in oakland today for a work-out.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
408…408…408…408…408…408…408…408
April 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I was out for awhile, but I would like to respond to MaddenRaider regarding my saying that Mort’s comments were a hack job.
The topic was the Raiders’ upcoming draft. The title of the segment is “On the Clock”. Mort chose that format to talk about JaMArcus Russell’s supposed lack of work ethic, while at the same time admitting that he has been putting in a lot of work this offseason. He closed his comments by saying that this time next year we could be talking about Russell as a bust. The guy didn’t address the Raiders’ draft AT ALL. Trent Dilfer (who’s actually PLAYED QB in the NFL), suggested that maybe it would be a good idea to get him a decent supporting cast and actually help the kid become an NFL quarterback, and he used specific examples of how to make that happen. Kiper broke down the first pick to OT and WR, and said that it would be interesting to see who Davis would choose.
Mortensen was off-topic, and contradicted himself at that. It speaks to a personal agenda, and that’s a hack job. Sclereth did the same thing when talking about the Garcia signing, saying it was “an indictment of JaMarcus Russell”. More likely it was an indictment of Andrew Walter and Marques Tuiasosopo. The Raiders upgrade their backup QB situation considerably, and all that shmoe can bring himself to say is that it’s because the Raiders are afraid that Russell’s going to be a bust. Pure, unadulterated bullsh*t.
It’s a constant bias, regardless of fact. I don’t mind criticism of the Raiders; God knows they’ve deserved a lot of over that past six years. It’s just that there’s certain guys over there that are going to report the negative view, no matter what. Mortensen is one of them, and I defy anyone to prove me wrong.
Hence the term “typical Raider hack job.” Hope that clears it up for you, MaddenRaider.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Bad mood guy, when have I ever been banned? I’m under “real Maddenraider” because one of YOU trolls jacked my name before I had a chance to register it. The only truth in your comment is your screen name, because you’re obviously in a bad mood. Cheer up.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RaiderLen Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
SnB,
I think that would be a fair assesment other than Jamarcus.
I think he’d of still been top 10.
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I think he takes a hit because Cable’s interview has been blown out of proportion. In addition, the impact of Leinart and V.Y implosions have knocked all QBs down a spot or two.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
HayesDaze37 – I see where you’re coming from in regards to “franchise” players. I guess I see a player as a “franchise” player when hes drafted high enough to be called that.
JR was drafted #1 overall. Whether we want him to be or not, he is the QB of this Franchise which makes him the Franchise QB. I don’t see it as an earned thing. Thats how hes looked at. Whether he turns out to be a good “Franchise” QB remains to be seen. For example…Alex Smith was looked at as the 49ers “Franchise” QB. Shaun Hill has proven to be a better QB but hes not the Franchise QB unless he was to start and become a Pro Bowler.
It may be weird how I look at that but thats just how I see it. I see how a team can draft someone with the idea of that someone becoming their franchise player vs. someone having a guy like Kurt Warner come from nowhere to become a franchise player.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Alright, Teach, got ya. Just remember that it wasn’t Mortensen who set us back a year playing stupid games with a head coach. It wasn’t Mortensen who drafted Gallery and Huff in front of a boat load of superior talent. It wasn’t Mortensen who ran off every smart person in the organization in the past decade. It wasn’t Mortensen that traded Jon Gruden to a team we’d likely have to face in the Super Bowl. But, you’re right, Mortensen did get a little OT and segue into Russell when he should have been talking about this year’s draft. Roger that.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
the nfl network is reporting darrius hayward-bey is in oakland today for a work-out.
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I really hope they don’t get him or any other speedy wide receiver. The Raiders already have plenty of speed. It they are going to draft a receiver it should be Crabtree, Robiskie or Barden
Blistering speed is overrated
April 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
These type of players may not be much vs the run, but they will give you double digit sacks every year and that’s far more valuable in this league than a 2 down run stuffing End.
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Not when you’re last in the league in Run D for the last 6 years.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Teach,
Agreed, and well said.
We have been taking our medicine for some time.
The problem with the media is they are so much like sheep.
When things turn around they’ll be singing Raider praises.
I’m always on the lookout for reporters that try to keep an objective point of view on the Raiders.
They are hard to come by, but they exist.
I think Clayton at Bspn is one.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Brady Quinn would have been the right pick if the Raiders were going to be West coast offense. I personally hate the WCO. I didn’t even like it with Gannon and company. Davis’ biggest mistake is not keeping a consistent strategy related to the offense.
I hope the Raiders scrap the WCO. I would rather see a power running game with a deep passing attack. Just add the checkdown option and this strategy is fine.
The Raiders identity is one of an offense that stretches the field and hits you hard with the running game.
Thank goodness Russell was drafted at number 1. The Raiders have the perfect QB for the system. Its up to Cable and company to undo this WCO nonsense
April 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Did someone just accuse me of being “dude”? The guy talks about hunting. You’ll only see me in the sticks when I’m on my way to South Shore.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
SNB, you don’t even know what the west coast offense is. Tell me what it is. I’ll bet you you say something like, “it’s when the offense throws the ball short instead of far, der der der….” Go ahead, tell me what the west coast offense is, since you hate it so much. Bet you that you can’t even define it.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
These type of players may not be much vs the run, but they will give you double digit sacks every year and that’s far more valuable in this league than a 2 down run stuffing End.
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Not when you’re last in the league in Run D for the last 6 years.
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When you are running a 4-3, pass rushing DE’s will always be more valuable.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
MaddenRaider (the real one)… fair enough. I just get a little tired of looking for insight from some of these guys and always getting the same crap.
Schlereth is a clown so I never expect too much from him, but Mort is a fairly respected guy in his world and it would be great if he were a little more objective when it comes to the Raiders once in awhile instead of constantly banging the same old drum all the time.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Teach, what insight to you expect on the Raiders? There’s not much to report. Al Davis isn’t serious about building a Super Bowl team, so while the media has to try and make sense of what Al’s doing, at some point they have to just throw their hands on their desk and clear the air, and tell their viewers what they’re all already thinking, and that is that Al Davis has lost it.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
SnB,
One of the things that helped me to get behind Cable was His ability to craft an offensive game plan that played to the strengths of the personell.
It took Him about 6 weeks to figure it out, partially, but it was obvious to Me that they got better as the season moved on.
I believe these are encouraging signs to be built upon.
Jamarcus/ Cable do fit the traditional Raider Philosophy.
Power running and a deep threat.
Also, Zach Miller fills the role of all the other great tight ends of Raiders past.
Lot’s of weapons on the O.
If Jamarcus can be protected, we will score a bunch of points.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Len… yep, I agree about Clayton. If that guy has a favorite team you’d never know it. Likewise, if he doesn’t like someone you wouldn’t know that either.
A real journalist. Some of the other “reporters” over there should use him as an example of how the job’s SUPPOSED to be done.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
SNB, still waiting on your definition of the west coast offense. Just go ahead and paste what you’re reading on wikipedia, if you want.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
SnB – An Offense that “stretches” the field can look alot like a West Coast Offense when the QB continues to hit his check down receivers. Just because a team runs a West Coast doesn’t mean they don’t have a WR going deep on alot of those plays. The West Coast offense is a timing offense. An Offense that teaches the QB to get the ball out of their hands very quickly in order to keep from getting sacked, getting the ball in to the receivers hands quickly and letting them get yards after the catch. They still throw deep when necessary to back a defense off in order to run effectively.
A so called deep passing attack can look terrible with the wrong personnel as well. Norv Turner and Kerry Collins led that version in Oakland and it turned out to be ridiculous. Tom Walsh tried to make it work with Andrew Walter. All it led to was the QB dropping back 7 steps almost every play to look for long routes and that allowed the defense to get to the QB quickly. You still have other short routes from the RB’s, FB’s and TE’s unless they have to stay in to block in order to give the QB time.
I just like whatever offense works effectively and that has alot to do with whos the Head Coach, whos the QB and do they have the right players for their ideas. Gannon put up incredible numbers with the West Coast because he complimented what Gruden wanted to do and they had the right personnell to get it done. They did alot better than Norv and Collins.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
24, don’t bother. SnB doesn’t know what a west coast offense is. He just says he hates it, to toe the line amongst the Davis kool aid drinking status quo.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
SNB, you don’t even know what the west coast offense is. Tell me what it is. I’ll bet you you say something like, “it’s when the offense throws the ball short instead of far, der der der….” Go ahead, tell me what the west coast offense is, since you hate it so much. Bet you that you can’t even define it.
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Here’s my interpretation of it:
Highlighted with mostly short to medium throws.
Take occasional deep shots when the defense tries to play the short game.
Offense tosses the ball about 30 to 40x a game and the passing game is a substitute for the running game. Running backs are prized for their catching ability as much as their running ability.
Big, physical possession receivers are needed to make it work.
QBs have to be highly accurate with the ball as well.
I still don’t like it
April 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RaiderLen,
that was very well put.now which wr are the raiders going to select.maclin or darrius hayward-bey since crabtree will be gone.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
No team uses a west coast offense or “deep passing attack” today. The age of stubborn offensive philosophies are dead. You either have a balanced offense, or you sink. You rely too heavily on anything and you’re not going to win.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Madden… my point is that there are people in the media that always take the negative view when it comes to the Raiders. That is hardly debatable.
What I would like to see is more objectivity from those people, that’s all. For example, when the topic is the Raiders’ upcoming draft, you could actually talk about the Raiders’ upcoming draft.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Teach, what insight to you expect on the Raiders? There’s not much to report. Al Davis isn’t serious about building a Super Bowl team, so while the media has to try and make sense of what Al’s doing, at some point they have to just throw their hands on their desk and clear the air, and tell their viewers what they’re all already thinking, and that is that Al Davis has lost it.
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The record of the last 6 years speaks loudly and profanely.
I would suggest that AL is so consumed with winning another Super Bowl that it has clouded His judgment.
Patientce has not been exercised.
Al has to acknowledge the failure and make the adjustment.
This offseason seems to indicate a change in course.
How long this lasts is speculative.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Oh, when I said no team uses a stubborn offensive philosophy, I was excluding the Raiders, obviously…
April 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Edward Teach, the Raiders are in the middle of what is turning into a decade long skid. What is the media supposed to do? Talk about how great our cheerleaders are? There is nothing positive, Teach.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Alright, Teach, got ya. Just remember that it wasn’t Mortensen who set us back a year playing stupid games with a head coach. It wasn’t Mortensen who drafted Gallery and Huff in front of a boat load of superior talent. It wasn’t Mortensen who ran off every smart person in the organization in the past decade. It wasn’t Mortensen that traded Jon Gruden to a team we’d likely have to face in the Super Bowl. But, you’re right, Mortensen did get a little OT and segue into Russell when he should have been talking about this year’s draft. Roger that.
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Typical, MR. The facts that Mort is full of BS, and that Al’s made bad decisions are mutually exclusive. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Also typical…to cover for your lack of logical argument, you make sure to take a shot at Al because you lack the imagination for true give-and-take discourse.
Al’s screwed up. A lot. Argument over.
And trading Gruden to a team we might face in the Super Bowl??? That’s one of the lamest things ever printed in here by a supposed football fan.
Any NFC could have faced us in the Bowl. We certainly didn’t want to trade Gruden to an AFC West team did we? So — if we didn’t trade him to an NFC team or an AFC West team, we should’ve only traded him to one of 13 other teams? Talk about limiting trade value.
MR — please teach us some more about how to run an NFL franchise!
April 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
SnB what in the world do you mean your interpretation of it? So, that’s what you hate? A concept you made up in your own mind? You don’t even know what the west coast offense is, and you hate it. Talk about being a tad bit too loyal to an owner of a favorite sports team…
April 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
SnB – To me…The West Coast offers more versatility than your typical, drop back 7 and chuck it up type offense. The Patriots have been the best at running the type of offense you probably want to see but thats after adding alot of talent to their offense. They were more West Coast when Brady had nobody to throw to and as Tom Brady got better and better and they signed more talented running backs, they were able to become a very good spread offense with Moss, Welker and Stallworth at the time. Now they keep adding guys like Galloway and Fred Taylor in order to keep that offense to its highest versatility.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
In my view there are quite a few positives, Madden. I’m not a Kool-Aid drinker, just see some real potential and sound decisions lately.
We will have to disagree on the “nothing positive” thing. But I’m cool with that.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hayez, who are you to declare that an argument is over? People, Hayez is not a moderator. He’s just some dude who thinks he’s more important than the rest of us. By all means, the argument is still on.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
29, If I get to pick, I wouldn’t use the #7 on a WR.
If it were to come down to DHB or Maclin @7 I’d take Maclin.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Teach, that’s because you’re a kool aid drinker. If you look at the Raiders in comparison to the rest of the NFL, here are the positives, and these are it:
1) Nnamdi
2) Shane
3) The cheerleaders
4) Greg Poppa
April 10th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
God..even the Cheerleaders are starting to look terrible.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
MaddenRaider,
I think football teams that excel carve out their own identity. Not play copycat. The WCO is 49er ball. The disciples of the WCO are from the Walsh tree. The Giants always run the football. Dallas is a hybrid.
I prefer offenses that establish a strong running attack with a good dose of playaction. A strong armed QB that can confidently make “all the throws” and a receiver that can get behind the defense keeps the safeties honest.
Raider football should be that. Pound the opponent on the ground with Bush/DMAC, run Schilens and JLH to challenge the defense deep, use Walker and the RBs on the short throws and let Miller work the middle.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I’ll bet Jim Jones had no idea of the impact he would have on this blog.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
24, are you bashing the cheerleaders? Now THAT’S being negative.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
JR’s developement will be directly tied to the quality of the “O” line in front of him. If they can consistently open the holes to sustain the run then JR will not feel to pressured to carry the team and he will have a better chance to realize his potential in the passing gmae.
None of the experts feel the new additions to the existing “O” line will bring the Raiders the kind of success they will need against the better defenses they will face in 2009, especially the better defenses brought by the NFC east or the Steelers. The first game against Shawn Merriman and the Chargers will expose the Raider’s “O” line if Al does not upgrade it through the draft.
The goal for the Raiders should be to have the very best “O” line, one that will take them to the Superbowl. Of course the same goes for the “D” line but the “O” line should be the priority since putting points on the board and keeping our defense off the field automatically elevates their play.
The best tackle at 7, probably Andre Smith, move Kelly to the end and draft Brace at DT in the 2nd. If not Brace, then the best center available in the 2nd round to give Satele competition. Draft Brinkley at MLB in the 3rd, if Brinkley is gone then either another run stopping MLB or SS.
If the “O” line can sustain a run game against the better defenses then existing WRs will be fine.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
MR – On a positive note…There are some hot ones in the mix.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
SnB what in the world do you mean your interpretation of it? So, that’s what you hate? A concept you made up in your own mind? You don’t even know what the west coast offense is, and you hate it. Talk about being a tad bit too loyal to an owner of a favorite sports team…
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you asked me what the WCO was and I gave you what I thought it was. I will bet I missed some nuance but got the general scheme right. You want to bust me for intricate details go ahead.
And your boy Brady Quinn is having a tough time in Cleveland because Mangini doesn’t want to play small ball either
April 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Merriman is done. He shredded his knee. I don’t think hes going to be the same player personally.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
edward teach Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I’ll bet Jim Jones had no idea of the impact he would have on this blog
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LOL.
Gotta get a Jim Jones T with him wearing an eye patch.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Teach, how fitting that the origin of the phrase “kool aid drinker” is based in the bay area? Niner and Raider fans both. You guys think I’m critical of Al, don’t even get me started on whiner fans’ and the local press whenever they draft a qb. They can take some putz in the 4th round and the Montana comparisons will start the next morning.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
24… yep, once the ‘roid boys start getting hurt it’s all downhill from there.
Ask Tony LaRussa.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hayez, who are you to declare that an argument is over? People, Hayez is not a moderator. He’s just some dude who thinks he’s more important than the rest of us. By all means, the argument is still on.
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LOL… got beer in my nose.. thanks MR…
April 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
The Real MaddenRaider,
do you know you just made a case for maclin or darrius hayward-bey to get behind the defense.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
speaking of cheerleaders thanx 4 the links 24…
April 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Will anybody ever draft a 4th round QB and say to themselves…That right there is the next Gannon?
That guy was a really good QB for the Raiders. Best I ever saw in Oakland.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Madden… QB in SF has to be one of the more thankless jobs in the NFL.
Right next to QB in Miami.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
The truth of it is that most sports journalists/analysts are sheep and cowards more than they are Raider haters.
Dicky V and the college hoops crowd will pick all four No. 1 seeds in the NCAA brackets.
The college football guys will always pick BCS conference teams like Alabama and Oklahoma to trounce teams like Utah and Boise State in the Bowl Games.
The NFL guys follow the Last Year’s Record = Next Year’s Record 99% of the time.
True, there are many Raider haters in the media and especially on ESPN (Schlereth, Tom Jackson, etc.), but mostly these guys are unwilling or unable to size up teams based on anything but a mix of past performance + the common, average fan’s expectation for that team (which typically amounts to past performance but can change if the team acquires a big-name player).
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
408 – You know it.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
“you asked me what the WCO was and I gave you what I thought it was.”
Exactly. Come back when you know what it is.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
And more drivel from a master…
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
No team uses a west coast offense or “deep passing attack” today. The age of stubborn offensive philosophies are dead. You either have a balanced offense, or you sink. You rely too heavily on anything and you’re not going to win.
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Whether a so-called “stretch” offense, “WCO,” “deep threat” offense, “ball-control,” or any other kind of offense…the primary goal of those teams is to find a way to balance the attack.
That doesn’t mean a static 50-50 split between rauns and carries. It’s something coaches strive for — but they often need to alter that goal because of available personnel and/or game situations.
Just like saying the “wildcat” or “Razorback” offense is a new development.
MR — You say you’re an aspiring screenwriter. Do some old-school movie research, and find some film of football in the 20’s-50’s. Even you might learn that there truly is little new in football — most everything’s been done before.
Among the major differences nowadays is the way training/teaching is accomplished. That is where the Gilmans, Walshes, and even the 1960’s Al Davises earned their coaching stripes.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Typical, MR. The facts that Mort is full of BS, and that Al’s made bad decisions are mutually exclusive. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Also typical…to cover for your lack of logical argument, you make sure to take a shot at Al because you lack the imagination for true give-and-take discourse.
Al’s screwed up. A lot. Argument over.
And trading Gruden to a team we might face in the Super Bowl??? That’s one of the lamest things ever printed in here by a supposed football fan.
Any NFC could have faced us in the Bowl. We certainly didn’t want to trade Gruden to an AFC West team did we? So — if we didn’t trade him to an NFC team or an AFC West team, we should’ve only traded him to one of 13 other teams? Talk about limiting trade value.
MR — please teach us some more about how to run an NFL franchise!
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Dipsh!t MaddenRaider getting owned again. Still can’t get Gruden off his mind. Pretty hilarious.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
“you asked me what the WCO was and I gave you what I thought it was.”
Exactly. Come back when you know what it is.
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Real MaddenRaider,
Well…What is it?
April 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
408 – How’d you like that one video I sent with the links?
April 10th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
“you asked me what the WCO was and I gave you what I thought it was.”
Exactly. Come back when you know what it is.
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And come back when you can explain ANYTHING about football.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
From the players invited to visit, I think we are going to draft WR, OLB, and Safety for sure.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
DHB would be a disaster of a pick at No. 7.
I don’t even want him in the 2nd round but at least you can live with the gamble at that spot.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
MR — What’s YOUR all-important definition of WCO? You sure feel nobody else knows it.
Here’s a fact even MR should be able to get a grip on — not even the coaches of WCO teams agree on exactly what the definition is.
Take the easy way again MR (like usual) — criticize all you want, but don’t offer anything in rebuttal except that Al sux. Brilliant!
April 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I think we have no freakin idea what and who’s going to get drafted except that we will draft a DB and a WR for sure based on history.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
The type of offense the niners ran all of those years, you have one receiver, usually a tight end, running a cross route about 5 yards deep. Then one receiver running another cross route about 10 yards deep. Then another one running either a cross route, 15 or more yards deep. And, a running back to check down to.
The qb would roll out, and throw to whichever one was open, starting with the farthest downfield, then checking downward. That was the base of that offense. Everything they did was a variation of that. They didn’t just come out planning to throw short. If the deep guy was open, it was going to him. That’s pretty much the Niner version of the WCO. Gruden pretty much used that for our passing game, however Gruden relied heavily on the run, as well. The reason most Raider fans get all f’d up over the WCO being a short throwing offense is because GANNON himself would usually check down, per his own choice. Anyhow, in today’s NFL, you have to be balanced. You have to do whatever works. You have to run pretty much a hybrid of every NFL offense.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Raider O Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
From the players invited to visit, I think we are going to draft WR, OLB, and Safety for sure.
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Raider O
How ya doin?
I wouldn’t read to much into that.
With the Raiders ya never know.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
raider o,
your right. so who is it?maclin, crabtree or darrius heyward-bey?
April 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
That leaves one pick in the top 4 RDs open. What do you think guys? DT, DE, or OT??
April 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
# 24 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
408 – How’d you like that one video I sent with the links?
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it was coo.. I like thick bezies tho…
April 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I’m great Len, and you?
You are right, but I need a quick fix. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
408…408…408…408…408…408…408…8)
April 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Haha…thick or skinny…hot is still hot haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I say we get the best player on the board..
be it WR DT MLB DE OT… as long as we dont go DB @ #7 ill be happy
April 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Coffee sounds good right now.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
RealMaddenRaider,
Crossing routes…yes.
Rollouts… only sometimes…away from pressure.
Mostly timing routes based on 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
AND the 2 yard pass to the full back on 3rd and 7.
Always hated that about Gruden.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
round 1-maclin wr
round 2-sean smith s
round 3-fila moala dt
round 4-james meredith ol
round 7-alex flecther c
April 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Raider O,
Doin great.
Had a short day today.
Enjoying time at home with Wife, teenage Kids,their Freinds, and the zoo of pets.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
BD29,
Don’t forget about Ramses B. Raider scouts where at his pro day.
Maclin, DHB, or Crab??
DHB has size and speed, but no college production.
I like Maclin a lot, he remind me of Tim Brown, about the same size, but brown was faster.
Crab: winner of all the awards, but has no size or speed, but has a lot of college production.
I would take Maclin. He is only 20, but sounds very mature.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
round 1-maclin wr
round 2-sean smith s
round 3-fila moala dt
round 4-james meredith ol
round 7-alex flecther c
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Death29,
Maclin and Smith could make an impact right away.
I think.
I sure would like our O line become dominate either with the FA signings or with a little help through the draft.
We also need a Base DE and some competition at DT.
I’s also like to see J Brinkley in a Raider Uniform.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Len,
Teenage kids and friends. lol
My daughter is 19 months, and I don’t want her to grow up.
Now, Maclin is my pick, but I would rather take an OT, DT,or DE over WR. I want Ramses B in the 3rd, or Robiskie in the 2nd over Crab.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
some charger moron just called j-russ the biggest bust of the draft.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Raider O,
lol…she will grow up quick.
I used to tease My daughter about Boy’s comming to the house.
I told Her that I didn’t own a gun, but I could buy One.
I’m intrigued with Barden.
I like the size speed combo.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
the tough thing about the draft is they only have only 5 picks.unless they trade down they can not cover everything.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
This is Sad. How can a Bust throw12 TDs and 8 INTs with over 55% cmp rate in his 1st season. The Charger Fan to look up Ryan L, and he will see a bust. The biggest Bust in the history of sports. But then again, a charger Fan should know a thing or 2 about busts.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Blackdeath29,
True. I wish we had about 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds.
It looks as though it will be a 2 year plan for sure.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
6′6 230, and ran a 4.51. I think he looks faster on the field. Sub 4.5 speed. He is Amazing. He has 50 TDs.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
the charger guy was a annoucer for the team.said russell misses more open wr than anybody.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
We have 3 picks of the top 100. That means we should draft 3 starters, not projects. Any WR in the 1st will be a project. We need our 1st to contribute right away.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Open WRs. LMAO.
Shows how much he knows. I can’t stop laughing.
Open WRs, still LMAO.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
the pick is going to come down to who streches the field better.crabtree ,maclin,heyward-bey or ramses.if it`s ramses that a second round pick.so it`s andre smith or b.j. raji.my money is on maclin.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Higgins, Schilens and Shields are all fast…we need someone more like Crabtree.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
i have a question is 4.4 that fast
April 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
If J Smith, Monroe, and Curry are gone. Then I would draft Orakpo, Raji, or Maclin. I like Maclin and Orakpo more than Raji, but we need Raji more.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Trade our #1 Draft pick and Andrew Walter to Detroit for Calvin Johnson. They’re dumb enough right?
April 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
how do you measure 40 yard dash times how is .2 seconds that big of a difference
April 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
4.40 is pretty fast. Fabian Washington ran a 4.29
April 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
15yo15yf – It makes a big difference. You will see how a player quickly runs ahead of the other by the differences in speed. A player can get 5-10 steps ahead of the other guy when crossing the finish line and that could be the difference between 4.29 vs. 4.40 as an example.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
crabtree and maclin played in the same type of offense maclin had 80 and 102 rec in two years.the man can catch.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
15,
JLH ran a 4.44, Nnamdi ran a 4.41. Tim Brown ran 4.26 at the combine, did nothing else and went home. We all know how that worked out.
4.4 is very good speed.
4.3 is great speed
4.2 amazons speed, and 1st day puck no matter what they did in college. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
some guys are alot faster than their 40 time.maclin is one of them.jerry rice is the best example of that.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Electronicly.
And 2 100ths of a second is imo meaningless.
Straight line speed, game speed, speed in pads,
Route running, ability to get seperation, Hands, strength, RAC…all are factors.
I’ll take the productive player over the track athlete just about every time.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
but how is 4.5 or 4.6 all that much slower than a 4.4 and how do people know that crabtree is a 4.5 when he didnt even run
April 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZb3DRt6_Gk
Funny video of Rich Eisen running the 40 yard dash. They put B.J. Raji up against him. This goes to show you just how fast some players are compared to others and what the difference is. I know Eisen isn’t the fastest but its funny either way. Check it out. You will want to scoll ahead about half of the video to see the sprinting.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I think Crabtree has ran the 40 yard dash at his school but they call that time unofficial time until you get to the combine, run your 2 unofficial times and then run your official time on the 3rd try.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
i saw it on NFLN a while ago it was funny tho fatass raji beating rich eisen by like 10 yards
April 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
BD29,
I would be a fool to argue Crab’s talent. Doesn’t mean I didn’t do it before. lol
I just don’t like the fact the he is not 6′3, and can’t run Fast. At 6′1 210, he is avg size with avg speed. Why not take a guy like Maclin who also has an avg size, but has speed to make plays? IMHO
April 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
nobody knows what crabtree`s time is.but he is not as fast as maclin or heyward-bey
April 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
speaking of heyward-bey how does nfln know he worked out with the raiders
April 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Raider O – They said the same thing about Jerry Rice.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I gotta get going for now. Peace.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Crab ran last year at his college as a lot of other players do, and he was at 4.6.
They think he can run a 4.50 -4.55 now.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Raider Len…. my daughter is 13. When she was 10 I told her she had to wait until she was 35 to start dating.
We’re still negotiating.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
When will NFLN get another clip of Raji besides the one where he’s running all goofy with his arms like Austin Powers turning backward/forward/backward/forward.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
They said the same about Rice, Jarret and Mike Williams from USC.
Rice and Boldin are the exceptions , and not the norm.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
# edward teach Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Raider Len…. my daughter is 13. When she was 10 I told her she had to wait until she was 35 to start dating.
We’re still negotiating.
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good luck brethren!!! my daughter is 7 and she already seems 2 be getting too big too fast… :/
April 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Keep negotiating Teach, and that’s what I will do till she is done with college. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
If one runner ran a 4.29 forty and the other ran a 4.4 forty, the one running the 4.4 would be almost exactly one yard behind at the finish line.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
15yearsold15yearfan,
makes since maclin yesterday,heyward-bey today.get to get russell throwing to them in back to back days.they are going to base their pick on the work-outs.both will scare nfl dc with their speed just like mcfadden.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Teach…mine just turned 18 MANNNNNN…. likes work and church better then the boys… i got lucky… and her work is the US ARMY
April 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Teach, I told my daughter something similar.
I told her she couldn’t get married until she was 40. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
raiderkoolaid,
not true.i played corner in college and my brother ran track in europe.i would race him and beat him in the 40 every time.at about 50-60 yards he would motor pass me.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I have a plan. I’ll keep negotiating with her till she is done with HS. Then we she says she in college and she needs to date, I will buy her a new car if she waits till after College. New car or dating?? I hope she takes the Car. lol
April 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
It’s a minefield, gentlemen. God help us all.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
robert ayers is good but too cocky for me.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
i like ayers i think he can be good
April 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Do still have any of that Hashish?
April 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
mine also has 4 older brothers so they keep the boys in check real good
April 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
best hash i ever had came from the oakland airport….dude thought the man was after him… that was in 1980 lol
April 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I would take Ayers in the 2nd but not the 1st. I don’t think he will be available in the 2nd, he would go 15-31.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I get hash and its oil, but I miss the real stuff. I visit Jordan, and they have grade A Hash.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
this stuff had the oil and a goverment stamp on it… for 50 bucks oooohhhhh the good old days…
April 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
15yearold15yearfan,
if you watch this clip you can see the speed maclin has that crabtree does`nt.also at 2.22 seconds theirs a deep ball thrown to maclin and he runs under it the corner is step for step with him until the ball is in the air.he has another gear that only he,heyward-bey and johnny knox has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI
April 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
$50!!!!I love them days too man.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
I like that sideline catch and score. I thought he was out. Dude is faster than his 4.4.
April 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
ilverNBlack666 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I sold both of my daughters to a guy in South Korea for some Kim Chi, gold and a pound of hashish.
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you still got that hook up I’ll sell ‘em my X wife 4 hella cheep she’s hot as hell but an strait b1111tch!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
ufck I missed my 408 again… damn it…
best hash I ever had I made..
April 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
the sideline catch is good but the seperation from the corner on the deep ball makes the defense bring that safety over the rest of the game.now you have single coverage on every other wr and the LB 1 on 1 with the rb.you think raiders and mcfadden is going to kill that LB,and jlh is 1 on 1 with the other teams 3rd corner and schillens on the 2nd corner.walker just does`nt command that kind of respect anymore.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
blackdeath29 on the video you put up it seems like JLH does alot of the same things
April 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
thats called resin 408 lol
April 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
HayezDaze, I’m sorry, you’re just way too negative. And starting a new screen name trolling me is not a good idea when the blog is heavily moderated. You get way too emotional over this stuff. Does Al pay you? Seriously. Grow up. I’m just going to ignore you from here on out, and go about my business, making my points on just how bad Al Davis is ruining this team. You can heckle me from the rafters all you want.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
does any one remember honey oil
April 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
dis my isht son……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsFcz5Hvf0&feature=related
April 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Raider Len, that 49er west coast offense was based on the cross routes and the roll out. The slants were added on later. You’d get the short guy doing the slant, then the middle guy crossing, whatever. That was the base of the offense. And, again, it was Gannon who chose to check down all of the time, not Gruden. Gruden’s flaw is that he’s too run heavy. Gruden was airing it out in Tampa on passing downs. It was Gannon throwing short. I know you’re a card carrying Davis worshiper and it’s sort of protocol to blame Gruden for everything but you’re just flat out wrong.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Raider O
I would rather take Lawrence Sidbury in the 3rd than Ayers in the second.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
minus the punt and kick returns jhl had 22 rec and is more of a #2 or 3 wr.maclin had 102 and a #1.but that is up too the raiders to decide.heres darrius hayward-bey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ&feature=related
April 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
holy $h-i t 408 that scared me and im not even high….lol
April 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
What the hell was that, 408? Weird ass San Joneros…
April 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
thats called resin 408 lol
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naaa its called bubble hash…..
April 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I think the O line will be better this year and there is a lot of good talent in the draft further down than #7. Trade down and pick up an extra pick if we can package our pick with Walter or someone not in the plan any more.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
yo MR you’ve seen my playlist I listen 2 all types o isht…..
April 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Talk to you guys later. 408, call it a day with the shrooms.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
666…
sounds good 2 me did ya check my link???
April 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
blackdeath29 i was thinking the same thing for a while but you have tho take into account the fact that he didnt start until the end of the season
April 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Later MR… happy easter brethren….
April 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
LOL. I know 408, I’m just messing with you. I had a CD in my car with Johnny Cash and E-40 a while back. Had it on shuffle. HayezDaze’s ipod is currently filled with Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, and Cyndi Lauper. Talk to you guys later.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
love to trade with philly and get DHB and bracein the first
April 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I have honey oil. Do you want some?
April 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eEF8zplJY8
April 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Blackdeath29 do the math. The difference between a 4.29 and a 4.4 forty in one yard. That’s how it works out mathematically.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
it does`nt matter 22 catches is 22 catches.this is jlh game log .
Regular Season Games Receiving Rushing Fumbles
WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
1 09/08 DEN L 14-41 1 0 — – — – — – — – — – — –
2 09/14 @ KC W 23-8 1 0 0 0 — – 0 — – — – — – –
3 09/21 @ BUF L 23-24 1 0 1 84 84.0 84T 1 — – — – — – –
4 09/28 SD L 18-28 1 0 4 35 8.8 16 0 — – — – — – –
5 Bye — – — – — – — – — – — – — –
6 10/12 @ NO L 3-34 1 0 1 35 35.0 35 0 — – — – — – –
7 10/19 NYJ W 16-13 1 0 0 0 — – 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 — –
8 10/26 @ BAL L 10-29 1 0 2 16 8.0 9 0 — – — – — – –
9 11/02 ATL L 0-24 1 0 0 0 — – 0 — – — – — – –
10 11/09 CAR L 6-17 1 0 — – — – — – — – — – 1 1
11 11/16 @ MIA L 15-17 1 0 — – — – — – — – — – — –
12 11/23 @ DEN W 31-10 1 0 — – — – — 1 9 9.0 9 0 — –
13 11/30 KC L 13-20 1 0 0 0 — – 0 1 7 7.0 7 0 — –
14 12/04 @ SD L 7-34 1 1 2 22 11.0 12 0 — – — – — – –
15 12/14 NE L 26-49 1 0 3 66 22.0 56T 1 — – — – — – –
16 12/21 HOU W 27-16 1 1 3 56 18.7 29T 1 — – — – — – –
17 12/28 @ TB W 31-24 1 1 6 52 8.7 17 1 — – — – — – –
TOTAL 16 3 22 366 16.6 84 4 3 34 11.3 18 0 1 1
April 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Is that your music 408?
April 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
raiderkoolaid ,
just pointing out the fact that a faster 40 does not mean your faster..your just faster over 40 yards or you had a very fast start that day.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I agree with you there. Speed and quickness are often two different things.
April 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Brought our 2nd son home today! Both will be Raider fans for life!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
One more Raider fan in the world! Congratulations
April 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Thank you…..hopefully we are back to kickin’ Azz by the time they know any better!
April 10th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
this is fron nfl.com
Raiders owner Al Davis has long loved wide receivers who can go vertical. So it should come as no surprise that the Raiders were in College Park, Md., to work out Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, according to The Baltimore Sun.
The Raiders pick seventh in this month’s NFL draft and are expected to target a receiver. The Raiders could be choosing between Heyward-Bey, Texas Tech’s Michael Crabtree or Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Fred Biletnikoff was no speed burner, but he was hand picked by Al.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
fred biletnikoff was a hall of famer who had cliff branch to bring that safety over.the raiders have nobody that does that,thus making it harder on russell.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Why can’t Crabtree be the Hall of Famer who has JLH to bring that safety over?
April 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Of course cliff branch helped him but biletnikoff ran perfect routes and had the best hands they don’t name the major college award after you in less you were pretty awesome. He also had big years before we got branch.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Howie rapping is so funny…
April 10th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
The NFL has expanded the number of players invited to the draft April 25-26 in New York to at least 10. But USC quarterback Mark Sanchez has decided not to be among them.
Sanchez’s USC teammate, linebacker Brian Cushing, is among the players who have accepted invitations. Two other projected first-round quarterbacks, Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Josh Freeman of Kansas State, will attend the draft.
Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry, Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree, Virginia offensive tackle Eugene Monroe, Ole Miss offensive tackle Michael Oher, Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo and Baylor offensive tackle Jason Smith are also expected in New York.
The NFL routinely has invited six of the projected top picks but league officials decided to expand the list to include players who have compelling stories, even if they are not necessarily top 10 selections.
Sanchez has elected to stay in California to enjoy the moment with family and friends. There is an outside chance he will change his mind to be in New York.
The league is expected to make a formal announcement by Monday.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Its kind of easy to have the best hands with stick um.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
crabtree could be that guy.i just don`t think jlh is going to command that double team from the safety.let`s not forget jlh only had 66,52,56 yards the last three games.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
24 Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Its kind of easy to have the best hands with stick um.
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magnets…
nothing beats magnets…
we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming…
April 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Blackdeath29 – Thats because Crabtree wasn’t on the other side.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Florida Pete – What you talkin bout Willis?
April 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
sew little magnets into your gloves…
(or, of you’re a masochist, super glue them onto your hands…)
the ball just comes to you…
it’s amazing !!!
April 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Rrriigghhttt!!! How bout noooo, Scott!
Scotty Do, Scotty Don’t!
April 10th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
you heard it first…
1. D. Heyward-Bey (WR)
1b. W. Moore/ Sean Smith (S)
2. Antoine Caldwell (OT)
3. Zach Folette (LB)
4. Conner Barwin (DE)
5. Sammy Lee Hill (DT)
April 10th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Is that your music 408?
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hell yeah.. I also listen to Bay area rap and mariachi music…. Classic rock blues oldies reggae punk rock and much more……
April 10th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
yo huff … I been stuck @ ur links LOL…..
April 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
HxCxRaider,
nice draft but they will never get conner barwin in the 4th round.
April 10th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
408 – Haha. Don’t over do it…you’ll go blind. Haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
4real… lol
April 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
yo I got some food and beer in between… LMAO
April 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png
April 10th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Wash your hands before picking up the food haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
pervert…
April 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQtlGOBoTNs
is it just me or does he seem slower than 4.5. good ball skillz tho.
April 10th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Me? No way!
April 10th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
dude I been looking @ weird people on Utube2….
April 10th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
All you gotta do is walk outside if you wanna see weird people. haha.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
nader64 ,
hard too tell.but i can believe it.he a GREAT weapon in inside the 20.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3dISvRynU
check out fargas @ 3:20 in the murda dubs… WTF???
April 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Yeah some weak competition, I mean U of Southern Utah and Northern Louisiana…I never knew they existed. But he didn’t look especially fast on the field compared to the other players.
Agree he’d be good @ grabbing jumb balls, fades, etc. I’d be surprised if we grabbed him in rd. 2 though.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
408 – I think I saw a video on PFT.com with Fargas in one of those videos and they were talking all about weed and had buckets of nuggets and all kinds of stuff. Then the guy walks out onto the balcony and theres Fargas chilling but not doing anything wrong. It was just a point that you have to becareful about your surroundings because sometimes perception is reality. The NFL can put him in their drug testing program just to make sure hes not doing it.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Al Davis will do what he always does. He will surprise us. Nobody can mock his draft.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
408,
Ijyst got an 11g Nug if Snow Cap. Damnnnnnn it’s good. Sticky icky.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
I just, sorry I can’t type.
but it’s good.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
The schedule is what it is. All teams in the NFL are tough and our schedule is no different.
There are no teams we will play and give the thumbs up of a possible win. When you start to do that the focus becomes not how we play but who we play.
How many of you thought we would be able to beat the Texans after we got slaughtered by the Patriots the week before. Or who thought, (I know not many) we were going to fly across the states and beat a Tampa team desperate to get in the playoffs.
The only safe and sane thought would be to compete hard, play displined football and play to our strengths, that will guide us in the 2009 season.
The draft will be here very soon, I don’t think this draft will have the impact like the previous two years.
Most of the top 10 players in last years draft would be selected in rounds 10-15. This draft will provide a quality player who commands $18-20 million guaranteed.
The player must have an immediate impact, we can’t throw out the term (he has potential)he must play like a pro immediately.
The blog is all over the place which tells me their is no consensus on a player who can be a difference maker, like DMAC,Jamarcus. The calls for a trade down, WR, DT, LT, LB are players that will help but at a steep cost in other areas we won’t be able to improve.
I had the hope Davis would see the the need of more positions to be filled and find a team to trade down with to pick up a extra draft choice.
The odds of this happening are slim to none, never will happen not in His (Davis) DNA or past.
I like most of you have seen the draft as a cure for what ails our team, but what Davis said in the press conference was accurate, he sais “we our a year away from being a upper elite team that competes with any team’ I’m paraphrasing his words.
Finally as my day here has been crunching numbers one description must be meet by the players, they need to play for each other, and play hard with discipline, those characteristics with less talent is a winning formula everytime.
April 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
How many of you thought we would be able to beat the Texans after we got slaughtered by the Patriots the week before. Or who thought, (I know not many) we were going to fly across the states and beat a Tampa team desperate to get in the playoffs.
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I think we are gonna win every game Dell… Thats just me tho… Go Raiders… ( I get ur point dell)
Free dirty!!!
April 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsFcz5Hvf0
April 10th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
408
FREE DIRTY!!!!
AND BRING BACK THEC
April 10th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
the iceman cometh *
* (no, i don’t know what it means… it just makes me wish there was a 260 pound middle linebacker who can bench 225 x 26 times and can run down a jackrabbit… who happens to be named “Iceman”…) **
** (guess we’ll have to settle for Jaspar Brinkley…)
April 10th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Actually the 40 is meant to measure explosiveness in the first 30 yards. Originallly they measure you in 100 yards. But understood that very few opportunities to run 100 yards so they shortened it to the 40. They also used to measure the 60. But Explosiveness is the best barometer for determining what a player can do in a game. Thus the 3 cone drill and the short shuttle. They want to see cahnge of direction and quickness in and out of cuts. They want to see can you throttle down and explode out of the cut.
For De’s the best drill is how explosive is he out of his stance and can he make short explosive burst in 3 steps or more. Oline can he get in his stance quickly and punch and steer. With all of these balance is a premium.
Michael Crabtree’s quickness and explosiveness along with strength are what imterest scouts not his lne range speed. His hands are also elite. He demonstrates quick twitch explosiveness. His strength is a bonus. His competitiveness is also a premium.
The west coast offense is really just a horizontal version of the verticle offense. They both use the same rote tree but emphazise certain routes. The WCO uses predominantly crosses and slants as far as WR’s go. The verticle utilizes 9 routes digs and outs or 7’s and 5 routes. They both rely heavily on the FB and TE in the offense as well as the HB pass routes.
So in essence they are the same offense that emphasize different things. The reads however are inverted in the WCO in that they look short first when the verticle looks deep first. That is what gives the 2 offenses so much contrast. The both employ 3, 5 and 7 step drops but because of the read procession the WCO will go 3 and 5 step more often.
With the advent of the athletic DE/OLB coming off the edge neither offense can afford a steady diet of 7’s and forcing the ball deep as often as they used to.
Bot these offenses have been around since the 70’s and longer.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
BTW, neither is better than the other, it’s just personal preference.
April 11th, 2009 at 5:16 am
what
April 11th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Saw Bill Walsh do a “chalk talk” once about the WCO. Interesting stuff; he talked about the idea of it, which was basically clearing passing lanes with the deeper routes then flooding the vacated spaces with secondary receivers, where the emphasis then became yards after the catch. Some folks have described it as an “extended” version of the running game, as you are able to complete the shorter, high percentage passes and get your guy with the ball past the line of scrimmage more quickly. Made a lot of sense; the thing I wonder is that if the 3-4 became more popular as a defense against it, i.e. involving more linebackers in pass coverage as an alternative to more DB presence, which could compromise run defense.
Thoughts?
April 11th, 2009 at 6:38 am
I say at the combine they add the 3 legged race then you’ll truly know how fast and powerful some is or maybe even a wheelbarrow race.
April 11th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Thoughts?
As I posted previously, both Walsh and Al Davis were on the staff of Sid Gillman, the father of their offenses. His defense was then adopted by staff members that included George Allen.
April 11th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Exla… I know the history, was just wondering if anyone thought (or knew) whether the 3-4 bacame more popular as a base defense because it may be a more effective way to defend the WCO than the standard 4-3…?
April 11th, 2009 at 7:20 am
The Funniest Banking Joke
I guess we all need a few laughs in this time of financial turmoil. I was
at my bank today; there was a short line. Just one lady in front of me,
an Asian lady who was trying to exchange yen for dollars. It was obvious
she was a little irritated. .. .
She asked the teller, ‘Why it change? Yesterday, I get two hunat dolla
fo yen. Today I only get hunat eighty? Why it change?’
The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, ‘Fluctuations.’
The Asian lady says, ‘Fluc you white people too!’
April 11th, 2009 at 7:23 am
=)
April 11th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Just a little more humor to get me over the Laker loss last night.
A Mexican, an Arab, and a redneck girl are in the same bar.
When the Mexican finishes his beer, he throws his glass in the air, pulls out his pistol, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, ‘In Mexico , our glasses are so cheap we don’t need to drink with the same one twice.’
The Arab, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws it into the air, pulls out his AK-47, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, ‘In the Arab World, we have so much sand to make glasses that we don’t need to drink with the same one twice either.’
The redneck girl, cool as a cucumber, picks up her beer, downs it in one gulp, throws the glass into the air, whips out her
45, and shoots the Mexican and the Arab. Catching her glass, setting it on the bar, and calling for a refill, she says,
‘In America we have so many illegal aliens that we don’t have to drink with the same ones twice.’
April 11th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Last one,
In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University .
On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air.
The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully.
He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it.
As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife,
after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot.
The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments.
Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled.
Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away.
Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day.
Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenaged son.
As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and
walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing.
The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down.
The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man.
Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant.
Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure.
He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder.
The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs
and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly.
Probably wasn’t the same elephant.
This is for everyone who sends me those heart-warming bullsh*t stories.
April 11th, 2009 at 7:48 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 7:20 am
The Funniest Banking Joke
I guess we all need a few laughs in this time of financial turmoil. I was
at my bank today; there was a short line. Just one lady in front of me,
an Asian lady who was trying to exchange yen for dollars. It was obvious
she was a little irritated. .. .
She asked the teller, ‘Why it change? Yesterday, I get two hunat dolla
fo yen. Today I only get hunat eighty? Why it change?’
The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, ‘Fluctuations.’
The Asian lady says, ‘Fluc you white people too!’
Written by Luger, King of the Trolls in 1986
April 11th, 2009 at 7:50 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Just a little more humor to get me over the Laker loss last night.
A Mexican, an Arab, and a redneck girl are in the same bar.
When the Mexican finishes his beer, he throws his glass in the air, pulls out his pistol, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, ‘In Mexico , our glasses are so cheap we don’t need to drink with the same one twice.’
The Arab, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws it into the air, pulls out his AK-47, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, ‘In the Arab World, we have so much sand to make glasses that we don’t need to drink with the same one twice either.’
The redneck girl, cool as a cucumber, picks up her beer, downs it in one gulp, throws the glass into the air, whips out her
45, and shoots the Mexican and the Arab. Catching her glass, setting it on the bar, and calling for a refill, she says,
‘In America we have so many illegal aliens that we don’t have to drink with the same ones twice.’
Written by Anyone Can Troll 1992
April 11th, 2009 at 7:51 am
if ya got more EXLA the floor is yours
April 11th, 2009 at 7:55 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Last one,
In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University .
This was Peter “the Troll” Davies. A true story. My wife and I are currently raising little Cameron “Cammy Troll” as our own.
April 11th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Mary Clancy goes up to Father O’ Grady after his Sunday morning service, and she’s in tears.
He says, ” So what’s bothering you, Mary me dear?”
She says, “Oh, Father, I’ve got terrible news . Me ‘usband passed away last night.”
The priest says, “Oh, Mary, that’s terrible. Tell me, Mary, did he have any last requests?”
She says, “Aye, that he did, Father.”
T he priest says, “What did he ask, Mary? ”
S he says, “He said, ‘Please Mary, put down that damned gun…’”
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AND THE BEST FOR LAST
A drunk staggers into a Catholic Church, enters a confessional booth, sits down, but says nothing.
The Priest coughs a few times to get his attention but the drunk continues to sit there.
Finally, the Priest pounds three times on the wall …
The drunk mumbles, “Ain’t no use knockin’, there’s no paper on this side neither!”
April 11th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I’m not touching that one lol
April 11th, 2009 at 8:08 am
1st joke from post 511 written by “Tiny Tim” Troll in 1997.
2nd joke written by “Willie the Brain” Troll in 2001
April 11th, 2009 at 8:13 am
The IRS decides to audit Grandpa, and summons him to the IRS office. The IRS auditor was not surprised when Grandpa showed up with his attorney. The auditor said, “Well, sir, you have an extravagant lifestyle and no full-time employment, which you explain by saying that you win money gambling. I’m not sure the IRS finds that believable.” “I’m a great gambler, and I can prove it,” says Grandpa. “How about a demonstration?” The auditor thinks for a moment and says, “Okay. Go ahead.” Grandpa says, “I’ll bet you a thousand dollars that I can bite my own eye.” The auditor thinks a moment and says, “That’s a bet.” Grandpa removes his glass eye and bites it. The auditor’s jaw drops. Grandpa says, “Now, I’ll bet you two thousand dollars that I can bite my other eye.” Now the auditor can tell Grandpa isn’t blind, so he takes the bet. Grandpa removes his dentures and bites his good eye. The stunned auditor now realizes he has wagered and lost three grand, with Grandpa’s attorney as a witness. He starts to get nervous. “Want to go double or nothing?” Grandpa asks, “I’ll bet you six thousand dollars that I can stand on one side of your desk, and pee into that wastebasket on the other side, and never get a drop anywhere in between.” The auditor, twice burned, is cautious now, but he looks carefully and decides there’s no way this old guy could possibly manage that stunt, so he agrees again. Grandpa stands beside the desk and unzips his pants, but although he strains mightily, he can’t make the stream reach the wastebasket on the other side, so he pretty much urinates all over the auditor’s desk. The auditor leaps with joy, realizing that he has just turned a major loss into a huge win. Grandpa’s own attorney moans and puts his head in his hands. “Are you okay?” the auditor asks. “Not really,” says the attorney. “This morning, when Grandpa told me he’d been summoned for an audit, he bet me twenty-five thousand dollars that he could come in here and pee all over your desk and that you’d be happy about it.
April 11th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Gunther Troll 2003
April 11th, 2009 at 8:22 am
A girl asks her boyfriend to come over Friday
night to meet, and have dinner with her parents.
Since this is such a big event, the girl announces
to her boyfriend that after dinner, she would like
to go out and make love for the first time
The boy is ecstatic, but he has never had sex
before, so he takes a trip to the pharmacist to
get some condoms. He tells the pharmacist it’s his
first time and the pharmacist helps the boy for about an hour. He tells the boy everything there is to know about condoms and sex. At the register, the pharmacist asks the boy how many condoms he’d like to buy, a 3-pack, 10-pack, or family pack. The boy insists on the family pack because he thinks he will be rather busy, it being his first time and all.
That night, the boy shows up at the girl’s parents
house and meets his girlfriend at the door. “Oh, I’m so
excited for you to meet my parents, come on in!”
The boy goes inside and is taken to the dinner
table where the girl’s parents are seated. The boy
quickly offers to say grace and bows his head.
A minute passes, and the boy is still deep in
prayer, with his head down. 10
minutes pass, and still
no movement from the boy. Finally, after 20 minutes
with his head down, the girlfriend leans over and whispers to the
boyfriend, “I had no idea you were this religious.”
The boy turns, and whispers back, “I had no idea
your father was a pharmacist.”
April 11th, 2009 at 8:25 am
exLA…
dont you know some funny jokes?, or at least some without race or nations as the pun?
April 11th, 2009 at 8:36 am
LMN… The good old USA is a melting pot. We make fun of each other all the time. Not that big of a deal.
April 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am
LMN,
One of our Tugboats with 18 crewman was hijacked by Somali pirates.
April 11th, 2009 at 8:43 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 8:25 am
exLA…
dont you know some funny jokes?, or at least some without race or nations as the pun?
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I know in this day and age, it’s politically incorrect. Not meant to offend but I enjoy the Don Rickles style of humor.
April 11th, 2009 at 8:48 am
ya bunch of hockey pucks
April 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Two older ladies meet for coffee.The first one is already seated when the second old lady walks in. The first old lady asks” did you come on the bus?” the second old lady replies yea,”but I made it look like an asthma attack!
April 11th, 2009 at 8:56 am
LOTT 42 Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Two older ladies meet for coffee.The first one is already seated when the second old lady walks in. The first old lady asks” did you come on the bus?” the second old lady replies yea,”but I made it look like an asthma attack!
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Per LMN, Could you please rework the joke as not to not use “older” as the pun. You might be offending the geriatric group. LMFAO
April 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
ok LMN time 4 you 2 tell a joke
April 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
ok I will
lance kiffin OMG I’m killing me STOP STOP COME-ON QUIT IT I CANT BREATHE =)
April 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
ok LMN time 4 you 2 tell a joke
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Denver Broncos…
April 11th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I’m sure there are some wild horses out there that are offended =)
April 11th, 2009 at 9:23 am
A joke?
The Raiders will win 8 games this year. *Knee Slapper*
April 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am
24…
lol, YEAH! good one =)
April 11th, 2009 at 9:30 am
The US Navy led by our Commander In Chief Obama will do anything about the pirates. LOL Will want to open a dialog with them with an open hand and not a fist. LMFAO
April 11th, 2009 at 9:46 am
No real Raider news so I’m outta hear. Have a Happy Easter.
Go Raiders!
April 11th, 2009 at 10:07 am
“funny” how it had to hit home before they wanted to something about it, a year ago the message was “no need for it”
April 11th, 2009 at 10:07 am
*Trade Down
** Trade Up
*1. Heyward-Bey (WR) 1b. William Moore(S)
2. Jamon Meredith (OT)
**3. Conner Barwin (DE) ** 3b.Zach Folette (LB)
4. Antoine Caldwell (C)
6. Sammy Lee Hill (DT)
All these guy are Al’s Freaktypespeedy athletes that will make him drool a lil more.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Good morning Nation.
I like the one with the 3 girls, LMAO.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Andre Smith at #7, Brace or best center in the 2nd, Brinkley in the 3rd.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:16 am
LMN,
We don’t always have to be PC, as long as we don’t use insults. All should be just fine.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I like :
1- Orakpo/ Raji/ Maclin
2- M Johnson/ Ayers/ Moore/ Gilbert/ Brace/ Robiskie
3- Ramses B/ Bruton/ OSU Freeman/ Sammy/ Folette
4- J Williams/ T Taylor
April 11th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raider O…
True, so true, normally i find PC ludicrous, I just dont find, those kind of jokes funny… in fact i find them pathetic… its just as funny as shoepolish in the head and, big front teeth and crooked eyes… does no harm, just not funny… IMO
April 11th, 2009 at 10:39 am
LMN,
The one with the 3 girls had me LMAO. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. We use a lot Race jokes in the US, so I can’t help it.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Do you travel LMN? Did you ever visit the US?
April 11th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Other than Europe.
April 11th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Michael Mitchell (S)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
April 11th, 2009 at 11:07 am
542.
he seems more like a linebacker than a Safety. He just wants to hit….he doesn’t care if they catch it or not!
April 11th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Anyone want to see the most amazing par 3 hole in the world. You have to take a helicopter to the tee box. And a helicopter back down,
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Quite-simply-the-most-amazing-golf-hole-on-the-p;_ylt=Aq_8_c0bxaefGO2xXXDvzjoogsUF?urn=golf,152314
April 11th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Nasty hitter. We need a guy like that on Defense, but can he cover?
April 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
WOW now that a par 3
April 11th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The funniest banking joke in the world:
A man says to the teller “I’d like to open a f@ckin’ checking account.”
The teller says “what did you say to me?”
the man says “I’d like to open a f@ckin’ savings account.”
The teller says “I’m getting the bank Pres.”
The bank Pres. comes over & says “What’s the problem here?”
The man Says “Ive got $200,000 & I’d like to open a f@ckin’ savings account”
The Pres. says “And this f@ckin’ c@unt is giving you a problem?”
April 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
aint it da truth
April 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I cant find M Mitchell’s scouting report!!!
April 11th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
547,
lmfao
April 11th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Safety David Bruton ND.
6′2 219, ran 4.45, and has a 41.5″ vertical.
As a 2 yr starter he had 200 TKLs, 6 INTs, and 22 PDs.
Get him Al.
Cal Poly Ramses B WR.
6′6 228, ran a 4.51 and an UO 4.4.
As a 4 yr starter he has 205 catches, 4,000+ yrds, and 50+ TDs. Last year, he had 67 catches for 1200+ yrds, and 18 TDs.
Get him Al.
Marcus Freeman, OLB OSU.
6′1 240, ran a 4.51 at pro day, 37″ vertical, and 30 reps on the bench.
Last 2 yrs:
180 TKLs, 20 TFL, and he had 4 sacks last year.
April 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
The S and OLB can start from day one. Wecan also get production from The WR, butnot as a starter. Next year we cut walker, and he can start with JLH and Chaz.
April 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
i bet that next year we are gonna pick taylor mays by any means necessary if we do good we’re gonna trade up and if we do bad we’re gonna pick him and i wont even be mad
April 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 11th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
i bet that next year we are gonna pick taylor mays by any means necessary if we do good we’re gonna trade up and if we do bad we’re gonna pick him and i wont even be mad
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As long as the Raiders address the D-Line this year with some real starting talent. I still hope the Raiders give Schilens a shot at the #2 spot.
Here’s what Cable likes about Schilens: “I think his competitiveness for the football when it’s in the air. You look at a couple of the plays he’s made, some tough catches, having to get it in traffic, or having to get a high ball up in the air. Something that maybe wasn’t quite on target, he’s been able to go get those things out of the air, and the fact that he’s really starting to develop. And it shows every day at practice.”
April 11th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
i like what i saw in michael mitchell.i found out he suffered a knee injury late in the season,so he did not play in any all-star games.plays ss in a 4-3 under defense,mostly cover 2.
6`0
221
4.45
21 reps
April 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
LMN…awfully hypocritical of you when just the other day you insulted us Americans by calling one of our great American hero’s, Dwight Eisenhower, a scumbag.
The previous jokes are funny and Don Rickles is also one of my favorite comedians.
April 11th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
How can you NOT like Mays!!?? 6′4,220, and runs a sub 4.4.
April 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
1 more fix B4 Easter Jerry come-on
April 11th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
thats what im saying and how can al not pick him
April 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
test
April 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
15,
Al is in a tough position, he wants Mays, but he needs to win now. Can’t have 7 seasons with double digit loses. He can trade up, but that didn’t work win Pace.
April 11th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
With Pace.
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