Raiders who could be trade bait
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 13th, 2009 at 1:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Let’s say the Raiders are interested in Phil Loadholt, the massive offensive line prospect from Oklahoma, as Profootballtalk.com reported today.
Makes sense.
Tom Cable has made no secret of his desire to build an offensive line to protect JaMarcus Russell. Loadholt appears agile enough as a zone blocker to appease Cable and huge enough coming off the bus to impress Al Davis.
He’s had a little trouble in a car, however, having been arrested on suspicion of DUI and transporting an open container in 2008. He has had some grade issues as well.
But as players begin to come off the board, the Raiders, having utilized their No. first and second round picks, see Loadholt is still available.
With only two picks remaining after the third-round selection _ the fourth (No. 126) and seventh (No. 216) _ the Raiders must dangle players currently under contract.
Keep in mind the Raiders aren’t likely to deal players who have recently restructured contracts, whether they have accepted cuts in pay or converted bonus money to salary. Nor are they going to deal players with huge accelerations.
That means Robert Gallery, Justin Fargas and Tommy Kelly are safe. So is Javon Walker (his two guaranteed years remaining on his contract make him untradable, anyway).
The following is list of players who will be either offered by the Raiders or requested by other teams on draft day or before.
RB Michael Bush: The subject of more trade rumors than any other Raider this year, Bush is due $460,000 this season and $550,000 in 2010. Besides his considerable skill, those salaries make him even more coveted.
But it also makes him coveted by Davis, no matter how much his indifference about being asked to play fullback rubbed Cable the wrong way.
Bottom line _ the Raiders will be asking for way too much for Bush to make a deal likely. They know they need all three running backs. He won’t be dangled to move up a few spots.
DE Derrick Burgess: Due $2 million in his last year under contract. The idea of having Burgess in a salary drive and double-digit sacks is appealing.
But the Raiders have been all about youth this offseason. If they think Trevor Scott can step in as a nickel rusher and use a high draft pick on another pass rusher, don’t rule out the possibility Burgess could be dealt.
S Michael Huff: Last year, the Raiders couldn’t deal Huff because they wanted too much in return. Now you wonder if there is any team that would give up a pick to take him.
Huff makes a reasonable $945,000 in salary this year, jumping to $5,750,000 in 2010 and $1,945,000 in 2011. That’s one reason why the Raiders haven’t cut him, but it also might make him tradable if a team wants to take a chance on a former No. 7 overall pick.
QB Andrew Walter: The Raiders won’t get much for a player who will be a free agent next year, but if someone is intrigued enough, the possibility to use Walter to move up in a round for a coveted player could present itself.
If it doesn’t work out, he could always be cut before his big salary kicks in next year.
DT Terdell Sands: Scheduled to make $1.3 million this season and $2.610,000 next season, Sands’ salary in 2009 isn’t prohibitive, and the Raiders could look to move him if they bring in a defensive tackle presence such as B.J. Raji or Ron Brace.
As disappointing as Sands has been, there’s always a team that thinks it can be the one to fix things and make him play as he did in 2006.
Sands’ reported in-season airline scuffle with punter Shane Lechler doesn’t help.
LB Kirk Morrison: This one is admittedly a reach, but hear me out.
Morrison has been in the middle of a soft rushing defense and too often doesn’t shed blocks or make plays until an opposing runner has gained his five or six yards. Say they think Rey Maualuga of USC is the answer in the middle.
They could either move Morrison to the outside or make the painful decision to part with him. It’s not like they haven’t dumped popular middle linebackers before. Just ask Greg Biekert and Danny Clark.
Morrison is in the last year of his contract and in his fifth year, but if there is no extension of the collective bargaining agreement, would be eligible only for restricted free agency _ meaning the team that trades for him could retain his services for at least another year.
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April 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
1st, Bush will be traded to the Bills.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
BREAKING NEWS: My source tells me that the M. Bush sweepstakes is heating up. Now that Bills’ LT Peters is on the trading block, the likely scenario with any Bush trade would be to send the Raider’ RB to the Bills, along with a second rounder, for Peters. This would solve the Raiders LT issue, as well as provide the Bills with a runner in the absence of the suspended Lynch. Look for this trade to become a reality leading up to the draft.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
lol, I wish.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I hope not.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
bfd
April 13th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
repost:
The league officially has announced the names of the nine players who’ll be in New York for the draft on April 25.
They are, as previously reported, receiver Michael Crabtree, linebacker Aaron Curry, linebacker Brian Cushing, quarterback Josh Freeman, tackle Eugene Monroe, tackle Michael Oher, defensive end Brian Orakpo, tackle Jason Smith, and quarterback Matthew Stafford.
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Interesting they invited Michael Oher and not Andre Smith.
Interesting they invited Josh Freeman and not Mark Sanchez.
Interesting they invited Orakpo/Cushing and not BJ Raji.
our draft pick Maclin/Jenkins won’t be there. darn it!
April 13th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Sanchez turned it down. Keep up.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Thanks Jerry, I have been saying it for the longest… I love Kirk Morrison, but he cant play MLB.
I wonder how our current DTs would look with a “true” MLB making the stops on run D.
Rey would be the mold we have long coveted!
April 13th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Sanchez turned it down.
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anybody else turn it down?
April 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Just got done reading it on PFT. Didnt mention anyone else.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
MR/Dude – It has nothing to do with whether someone is a Davis loyalist (which I am not) or a guy who paints their face. I don’t worship Davis and I don’t paint my face on Sundays. For all I know, we’re gonna have a crappy team again this next year but for fuk sakes, save it for the season. 24/7, 365 days a year, you guys come on here and bash every good thing anybody has to say. Thats different than being pessimistic, thats being depressing. Thats looking for fault in everything.
Outside of obvious negatives regarding Higgins and Schilens as an example, are plenty of positives as well but you guys would NEVER go as far to say something good about them. Thats just not in your nature. We would win the Superbowl and you would cry because our receivers sucked and if we had better ones, we could have had 100 points instead.
Anyways, I’m going back to work.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I like JLH. As a slot/return guy. Shilens is just a guy. Dime a dozen guy, who will make catches but not make plays. He is a 4 at best on a good club. Its not being negative, just rational.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
BREAKING NEWS: The rib joint just pulled the coleslaw off the deal seems munzos camp over hyped his status and he is actually supossed to be a UDFA….
Line for’09
April 13th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Translation: basically Bush is the only real chip we have to trade. Please don’t do it!
April 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Im sure a few teams would look at burgess…Or next year he walks and we get nothin in return. Morrison would produce interest as well we could plug some one in nehind our shiney new D-line to make plays!!!!!
I’m all for the youth movement!!!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Consider that it’s important to any future chance at stability as well as to the confidence of the young team that they make some real improvement in the win column this year. I say keep the known commodities we have, stay where we are in the draft (not going to mention a 1st rd. trade back until I see it happen once). Let’s see how many games we can win THIS year with the best talent we can compile. I think that means keeping Burgess.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Loadholt is being looked at as a guard. I watch a lot of OU football and have seen him play; definitely not a LT because of his lack of quickness, but I could see him moving inside to RG and becoming a formidable run blocker there.
We would have to work a trade, though, as Jerry says. He won’t be there in the fourth, and it doesn’t seem that we’d pass on another position of need in the second round to get someone that isn’t guaranteed to start right away.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
nader64 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Consider that it’s important to any future chance at stability as well as to the confidence of the young team that they make some real improvement in the win column this year.
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Well spoke and yes your right getting 10 sacks out of burrges and adding a few wins would work wonders to the future confidence wehter he’s here or not!!!!
WE NEED ALL THIS POSITVE MOJO TO TRANSLATE IN TO WINS!!!!!!!!
line for ‘09
April 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I STRONGLY recommend putting Terdell Sands on the trade block. He has trade value on the open market and may just need a change of scenery. Sands also punched the best punter in the league in his face.
I think the Raiders should trade Terdell Sands for a 3rd rounder.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
The most intriguing trade on here would be Morrison. Considering the number of LB’s being looked at by the team this off-season, I could totally see this happening. Morrison has inflated stats and something of a reputation in the league after getting all those interceptions in 2007. He should net a decent draft pick in return. The interesting side note would be who replaces Morrison. Considering how much they tendered Brown for, and that he was Morrison’s back-up last season, I could see Brown being the targeted replacement for Morrison. Then they could draft a talented, and fast OLB to man the strong-side.
I think we have all wondered how they would be able to re-sign both Morrison and Howard at the same time, perhaps this is the only way.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The draft B.J Raji in the 1st round to backfill Sands’ position and move Warren to spell Kelly. Use the 3rd rounder we get in the Sands trade and draft a defensive end or offensive tackle.
April 13th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Someones gonna give the Raiders a 3 for Turd Sands? Yeaaaahhhh, dont think so.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
No other NFL team would hire Terdell Sands as a security gaurd, let alone trade a 3rd rounder for him.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I STRONGLY recommend putting Terdell Sands on the trade block. He has trade value on the open market
LMAO what kinda of value we dnt need a big mac and some magicbeans this guy nets a 6th rounder at best!!!
Gotta go nation till tomarrow!!!!
Line -for ‘09
April 13th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
There is NO WAY IN HELL that Al Davis would trade Morrison. Everyone knows the story of Kirk and his dad being life long Raider fans and how he used to go to all the games. Davis eats that kind of stuff up.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
SnB Defense : we have a better chance of trading Tommy Kelly for a 1st rounder than trading Terdell Sands for a 3rd rounder imo.
If you think he has enough worth to garner a draft pick on day one, then he should stick. He’s shown nothing in Oakland, so for a team to give up a 3rd they’d have to think that he has upside & potential. A good player hiding on a terrible d-line with horrible coaching the past 5 years if you will.
You really beleive this or do I sense some sarcasm?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
No other NFL team would hire Terdell Sands as a security gaurd, let alone trade a 3rd rounder for him.
what kinda of value we dnt need a big mac and some magicbeans this guy nets a 6th rounder at best!!!
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LOL
April 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
A good player hiding on a terrible d-line with horrible coaching the past 5 years if you will.
This cou;ld be the case but ummm… still no he pretty much sucks!!! a 6th at best!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Dude: I’d go so far as to say that Kirk Morrison is safe at MLB and will receive a new deal next offseason (like it or not)
April 13th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Better-watch-your-back,-JaMarcus
Come on Dakota, anyone who steps in the shower with Garcia better watch his back.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Trade our D leader, and leader in Takles. We need to fix our D line, not trade our LBs. Whas wrong with you Jerry?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Terdell gives every kid who’s lookin like Grimmace from McDonalds hope that one day he’ll show his buddies how wrong they were for makin fun of him when he’s an NFL player. heheh.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
so the raiders trade morrison,draft maualuga and keep the d-line the same and the run defense will improve?maualuga will have to finish first in the nfl in tackling with 155.that`s not too much to ask for.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I agree that Morrison will probably not be traded, but I thought it was an interesting thought, worth exploring. Regardless, the Raiders seem intent on bringing in some young LB’s.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
O Mock Draft 14.0:
1- DT Raji
2- WR DHB
3- SS Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE Clinton McDonald
7- WR Marko Mitchell from Nevada.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Dude: I’d go so far as to say that Kirk Morrison is safe at MLB and will receive a new deal next offseason (like it or not)
Like it or not the run defense will still be soft with Kirk posing as a Mike. It is embarrassing to watch
April 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
# BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I agree that Morrison will probably not be traded, but I thought it was an interesting thought, worth exploring. Regardless, the Raiders seem intent on bringing in some young LB’s.
Ha! Would you really cry if we traded Morrison and got ourselves a real MLB who is a sure tackler?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
7- WR Marko Mitchell/ SS Michael Mitchell/ Or OLB.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
`Say they think Rey Maualuga of USC is the answer in the middle`—
Ray Ray could ignite the whole defence…the defence needs a crazy mlb,a potential super-star ,someone that can put you on life-support if you run up the middle….Kirk`s a nice a guy,and don`t really wanna hurt no-one…i wanna see a lunatic in the middle.
im tired of the bs,fix the middle of the defence already..if we trade back or reach ,i dont care..
draft crazy Ray move Kirk outside
April 13th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Seems like the Raiders are finally bringing in some players for visits, should give us a better feel for what positions they are gonna draft.
Left Tackle
SOLB/MLB
WR
Safety
DT
DE
CB
TE
If we could take care of Left Tackle, Safety and WR in this draft we would be lucky, and that would still leave us with a gaping hole in the defense. We need more picks.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
rey maualuga is not a vocal leader like people on this web site think.if ray lewis can not get it done with out the d-line ,how can rey maualuga when he could not get it done against oregon state?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
SnB Defense : we have a better chance of trading Tommy Kelly for a 1st rounder than trading Terdell Sands for a 3rd rounder imo.
If you think he has enough worth to garner a draft pick on day one, then he should stick. He’s shown nothing in Oakland, so for a team to give up a 3rd they’d have to think that he has upside & potential. A good player hiding on a terrible d-line with horrible coaching the past 5 years if you will.
You really beleive this or do I sense some sarcasm?
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April 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Hey son, I am not saying Morrison is Ray LewisII or anything close. Im just saying Al wont trade him, thats all.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
why doesnt jerry mention the maclin and heyward bey private workout for the raiders???? or chip vaughn on april 14…???
April 13th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
BART Bridge Blues,
what mlb have the raiders brought in for a work-out?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Correction to my new Movk Draft:
1- DT: Raji
2- WR: DHB
3- SS: Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE: Clinton McD/ OLB J Williams/ OLB Z Follett
7- SS: Michael Mitchell
April 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
SnB Defense
Sands has the measurables to be an above average NFL NT. Teams around the league have been under the impression over the past couple of years that a players lack of production in Oakland does not mean he won’t produce up to his ability in another system/environment. NT is now the 2nd most coveted position in the NFL only behind QB.
Add all this up and a 3rd rounder for Sands does make sense, and there is a good chance we could get it. I hope the Raiders are shopping Sands but anything less than a 4th makes him no longer worth getting rid of. $1.3 million for a below average NT is still quite a bargain, and we need to get something substatial to pass up on such a Bargian.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I wouldn’t really mind if we traded Morrison, because I think his value has peaked, and if we got some serious draft picks in exchange for him, it would be smart. But considering he is the leader of the defense and a fan favorite, I don’t really expect it to happen. But who knows what Marshall saw when he watched the tape from last year.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Rey had like 13 tackles against Oregon State. SCs d-line got bitch slapped that game. So your argument against him is one fluke game where basically the whole team was asleep. Stupid.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Raider O ,
michael mitchell not marko mitchell .living in reno i am forced to watch all unr games amd marko is not a better pick than michael.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Please Rey would instantly upgrade our soft ass defense. Name the last time some player really intimidated people on our defense. I’ll wait
April 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Rockstar,
You don’t think Kelly is worth a 1st rounder? He’s paid as one.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
There is NO chance anyone would give up a 3 for Sands. You simply dont know what your talking about. A good player would fetch a 3, Sands is not good.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
SnB Defense
Sands has the measurables to be an above average NFL NT. Teams around the league have been under the impression over the past couple of years that a players lack of production in Oakland does not mean he won’t produce up to his ability in another system/environment. NT is now the 2nd most coveted position in the NFL only behind QB.
Add all this up and a 3rd rounder for Sands does make sense, and there is a good chance we could get it. I hope the Raiders are shopping Sands but anything less than a 4th makes him no longer worth getting rid of. $1.3 million for a below average NT is still quite a bargain, and we need to get something substatial to pass up on such a Bargian.
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By all means, let’s get on the phone. I hope someone can see the upside in a NT going into his 9th year in the league
April 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
# SnB Defense Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Rockstar,
You don’t think Kelly is worth a 1st rounder? He’s paid as one.
Yeah he is sure paid like one that’s why we dont need to pay another DT like he is. So we dont need Raji. I got ya
April 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
If we do that:
Defense:
DE: Clinton McD/ Jay Rich
DT: Raji/ Warren
DT: RK/ William J or Sands and we cut the other.
DE: Burgess/ Scott
OLB: Brown/ ?
MLB: Kirk/ I E
OLB: TH/ Alston
CB: Nnamdi/ S R
CB: CJ/ Josh Bowie
SS: Vaughn or Bruton/ M Mitchell
FS: Branch/ Huff
We need an OLB in the 3rd or 4th, but I’m high on Clinton McD. We need more picks.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Dude Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
There is NO chance anyone would give up a 3 for Sands. You simply dont know what your talking about. A good player would fetch a 3, Sands is not good.
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He’s good enough to get a lot of snaps in Oakland. Maybe Marshall can rejuvenate his career?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Dude ,
that one game is what morrison has to go through every week.the raiders d-line get beat up every sunday for six years.they draft maualuga and don`t follow it up with a big run stuffing nt.than alot of raiders fans would be left asking.why did`t are run defense improve?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Sands upside is the baby back ribs he weekly purchases at Bayfair Chili’s
April 13th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Dude ,
that one game is what morrison has to go through every week.the raiders d-line get beat up every sunday for six years.they draft maualuga and don`t follow it up with a big run stuffing nt.than alot of raiders fans would be left asking.why did`t are run defense improve?
My god stop making excuses for Kirk. When he did have chances to make plays he didnt. Guy isnt a sure tackler and makes zero plays around the line of scrimmage. Kirk is an average MLB plain and simple
April 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Black death- No doubt. I wouldnt take him, but dropping the OSU game in his lap is rediculous.
SnB,
How would Marshall do that exactly? Is he some sort of DL guru? Did wonders with Marcus Tubbs career
April 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
The Raiders shouldn’t have ever gotten rid of calvin boothe, ( i understand langston walker because he looked like a total bust during his time with the raiders)bUt, Boothe played great as a rookie. IS derrik gibson still in the league?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Anyone ever see a RB cutback against the Raiders and get a huge gain? They know they can cut back without paying the price because Morrison cant smack. With Rey they would think twice about it
April 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
BD29,
I was on it. I took Marko out, and put Michael in.
I like him better too. I can’t help myself, Al has me programed. I keep looking at WRs and DBs that run fast 40s. lol
April 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Oh god Derrick Gibson. The man who cant cover a stove
April 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RK is TK. Sorry.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
BD29,
I was on it. I took Marko out, and put Michael in.
I like him better too. I can’t help myself, Al has me programed. I keep looking at WRs and DBs that run fast 40s. lol
And stay away from pork
April 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Morrison is not a sure tackler.
Morrison is a leader.
Morison is an avg, maybe above avg MLB.
Morrison will be the MLB next year for the Raiders.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Trade the Turd, for a couple of 90lb. sacks of cement, and throw them out there on the line. They would trip up more runners than the Turd has of late. Granted, I don’t think a couple sacks of cement would be much help on the pass rush, since that is about the only thing I can think of, that would be s-l-o-w-e-r than the Turd.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Kevin Boothe
April 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dude Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Morrison is not a sure tackler.
Morrison is a leader.
Morison is an avg, maybe above avg MLB.
Morrison will be the MLB next year for the Raiders.
And the defense shall still be soft
April 13th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I think Jerry’s reading too much of the garbage from his won blog, regarding Morrison.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
BREAKING NEWS: My source tells me that the M. Bush sweepstakes is heating up. Now that Bills’ LT Peters is on the trading block, the likely scenario with any Bush trade would be to send the Raider’ RB to the Bills, along with a second rounder, for Peters. This would solve the Raiders LT issue, as well as provide the Bills with a runner in the absence of the suspended Lynch. Look for this trade to become a reality leading up to the draft.
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No way.
Theres a reason Peters is on the block.
He was the Bills worst lineman giving up 16.5 sacks in 2 yrs (11.5 last year alone) and he wants a contract bigger than Jake Long’s.
No way on so many levels…
April 13th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
oregon state had no fear of rey maualuga.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Personally trading Bush (as much as I like him) for peters sounds like a great idea. Our line definitely needs help especially on the blind side and we always have Louis Rankin to come in as a third back. I say wrap up Burgess, Huff, and Walters in a package deal for some much needed draft picks for LB’s or just some sort of second and third round picks to make up for the Bush trade. Burgess is awesome but these past couple years he’s almost been invisible.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I’m doing my best Brien. lol
April 13th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Personally trading Bush (as much as I like him) for peters sounds like a great idea. Our line definitely needs help especially on the blind side and we always have Louis Rankin to come in as a third back.
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We know nothing of Louis Rankin!
April 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
rey maualuga would need 155 tackles next year to laed the league.and that would be 1.1 more taclkes a game more than morrison.yea that would really help the run defense.it`s the d-line .
April 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
oregon state had no fear of rey maualuga.
No those two brothers from OSU just had real good games. 99 out of 100 times USC bulldozers the beavs
April 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Marilyn Chambers, a former Ivory Snow detergent model who became a porn star, died Sunday at her Canyon Country home. She was 56.
Chambers became a pop culture phenomenon when she gave up work as a model advertising Ivory Snow laundry detergent to star in the X-rated “Behind the Green Door” in 1972.
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Ben Davidson was in “Behind the Green Door” if you younguns didn’t know.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Personally trading Bush (as much as I like him) for peters sounds like a great idea. Our line definitely needs help especially on the blind side and we always have Louis Rankin to come in as a third back.
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We know nothing of Louis Rankin!
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He did bust out a 70+ yard TD run last year in pre season, grandted that’s preseason, but if he can do that even with the mediocre line we had out there, that merits consideration. Plus our staff thought enough of him to atleast keep him for back up even when we do have a three headed monster!
April 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I’m doing my best Brien. lol
Naw man dont eat that crap. It’s not even meat. Disgusting that I use to even eat it. You cant pay me to eat pork
April 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Keep Bush and deal Fargas even though he wouldn’t net that much but , in a package deal maybe the way to go.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
rey maualuga would need 155 tackles next year to laed the league.and that would be 1.1 more taclkes a game more than morrison.yea that would really help the run defense.it`s the d-line .
I dont need the leader in tackles. I need an enforcer and we dont have one
April 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Too much Ivory Snow i suppose.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Does anyone remember the last time the Raiders had an even remotely good defense? It was with Greg Bierkert manning the middle. Could he cover? No. Could he hit and tackle? Yes
April 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Wasn’t Peters terrible last season?
Don’t trade Bush. Bush should get at least 15-20 touches in every game this season. Use Bush to pound defenses down, then turn McFadden loose to blow past them.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I made the mistake of thinking about trading Bush, but we need him and DMC to carry the load and help JR and our Defense. Fargas is 30 and can’t stay healthy, and DMC needs a power back to bring out his talents. We need Bush.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jerry HAS been reading too much of these so called football sites.
Sands was a 7th round pick who got over paid. He can still produce and plays ok given the sytem and what he’s asked to do. His bullrush one on one is very hard to stop…
Little trade value consideringhis production and paycheck don’t sync.
Bush trade?
No way.
People have made too much of his balking at FB.
Tampa was just a preview of his game changing dominance.
This guys good…and a bargain!
Burgess? He’s primed to have a double digit season.
I can’t see them trading any of these guys for picks this year.
Morrison is simply out of position. He needs to play SAM.
Biekert was OLD and Clark was an aging mouth at a time they were transitioning.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Its okay guys. Keep making excuses for the likes of Kirk,Burgess and Farglass. I’m sure you are content with your buddy system as we lose year after year
April 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Wasn’t Peters terrible last season?
Don’t trade Bush. Bush should get at least 15-20 touches in every game this season. Use Bush to pound defenses down, then turn McFadden loose to blow past them.
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Yup.
And Peters has been a bish about money too.
Bush is seen as a finisher.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jerry HAS been reading too much of these so called football sites.
Sands was a 7th round pick who got over paid. He can still produce and plays ok given the sytem and what he’s asked to do. His bullrush one on one is very hard to stop…
Little trade value consideringhis production and paycheck don’t sync.
Bush trade?
No way.
People have made too much of his balking at FB.
Tampa was just a preview of his game changing dominance.
This guys good…and a bargain!
Burgess? He’s primed to have a double digit season.
I can’t see them trading any of these guys for picks this year.
Morrison is simply out of position. He needs to play SAM.
Biekert was OLD and Clark was an aging mouth at a time they were transitioning.
Burgess primed for double digit sacks and getting his ass pushed around against the run. I highly doubt he gets back to double digit sacks. I’ve never liked the guy because he is one dimensional and scared to go up vs the LT.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
99 out of 100 games usc d-line wins you are correct.but rey will have sands,warren,kelly,richardson,scott,burgess.no real nt and 3 under sized d-line.that osu game would be played out every week in oakland.except with bigger,stronger o-lineman than osu.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Our D line is thin ,I mean depth wise and that could be seen every Sunday. The rotation was weak and they were gassed come the 4th qtr. They need some fresh horses and the draft seems the most logical place to start.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Morrison is out of position yes but isnt he really a WLB?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Our LBs are so over rated it’s not even funny. Maulauga would instantly be our best overall LB.
I’m sorry, but pass defending should not be what LBs do best. Morrison lost me when he refered to the LBs as part of the back 7.
WTF is the back 7?!?!?!? Huff gets all this grief for not being stout against the run, but some of you make all the excuses in the world for Kirk. Well how can the LBs not be held more accountable than the DBs? We ran Stuey and Gibson out of here pretty quickly. What about the guys in between them who are SUPPOSED to be on the field to stop the run?!?!?
PLEASE draft Rey at 7!
Or a DE, and Brinkley in the 2nd!
April 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Brien,
I haven’t had Pork in 5 years. I will never eat it again.
You don’t miss pepperoni pizza?
April 13th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
the last time the raiders had a good defense they had sam adams,john perilla,ted washington,grady jackson in the middle.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
99 out of 100 games usc d-line wins you are correct.but rey will have sands,warren,kelly,richardson,scott,burgess.no real nt and 3 under sized d-line.that osu game would be played out every week in oakland.except with bigger,stronger o-lineman than osu.
Yeah i agree to an extent you need dline help but when you got your chances to finish plays you do it! Has kirk? Nope not at all!. If the Raiders listened to me and had sense they would remedy theirselves of the dline issues if they selected Sammie Lee Hill or Ron Brace to be the NT and actually find a RDE. Rey would be perfect in that scenario
April 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
IMHO, keep Bush. Mcfadden is still unproven. At least we know that Bush is an animal when he runs.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Brien,
I haven’t had Pork in 5 years. I will never eat it again.
You don’t miss pepperoni pizza?
Miss pork? Yuck! I don’t miss shyt. Gimme my cheese pizza pizann(however you spell it) and I’m cool
April 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
SnB Defense
Fine if we can’t get a 3rd or 4th for Sands he’s still a good value this year at $1.3 million, next year he will be cut but this year that salary is very fair. I would be sad to see him go for a 6th or 7th unless the Lechler skirmish was really a bigger problem than it appears to be. Chances are we’ll get to see him as a Raider again this year and all of you haters will trash Sands calling him a “bust” when he will continue at least require a double team to be nuetralized and be on the field for half our plays. All for $1.3 million at one of the toughest positions in the game to find adequate talent.
Lets hope the Raiders address NT in the draft with someone like Chris Baker so Sands isn’t our only option at running a traditional 4-3.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Repost: Must read for understanding defense. Also consider we have Warren/Sands on the roster.
Feb. 21, 2006:
General manager Ozzie Newsome acknowledges Lewis asked to be traded before the 2005 season
April 20, 2006:
Lewis vents his frustration about not having space-eating defensive tackles in front of him that would allow him to roam free. “The issue is: Are you going to let me do what I do?” he asked. “And if not, let me go.” Nine days later, the Ravens draft 340-pound defensive tackle Haloti Ngata.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
# palika01 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
IMHO, keep Bush. Mcfadden is still unproven. At least we know that Bush is an animal when he runs.
McFadden is unproven but Bush isnt? Where do you people come up with this shyt?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
trade down and get D line and secondary help is the only way to end this stopping the run problem.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
what mlb in this draft have the raiders been linked too?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Don’t you guys remember? Kirk played OLB his rookie season, but the next season he played better than Danny at MLB and won the Job and kept it since 05.
Most MLBs will have problems shedding blocks from O linemen. We need to fix the line and add strength. So our LBs can make more plays closer to the LOS.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# SnB Defense Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Repost: Must read for understanding defense. Also consider we have Warren/Sands on the roster.
Feb. 21, 2006:
General manager Ozzie Newsome acknowledges Lewis asked to be traded before the 2005 season
April 20, 2006:
Lewis vents his frustration about not having space-eating defensive tackles in front of him that would allow him to roam free. “The issue is: Are you going to let me do what I do?” he asked. “And if not, let me go.” Nine days later, the Ravens draft 340-pound defensive tackle Haloti Ngata.
Yup thats why they left the 4-3 and went to a 3-4 with a space eating 6′5 340 NT. Not the 6′1 334 lb shrimp you recently fell in love with
April 13th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I’d trade …
– Huff for a 4th or better.
– Burgess for a 3rd or better.
– Walter to move up one spot in the 7th round or better.
There is a lot of talent in those middle rounds. Look at JLH, Bush, Schilens and Mario Henderson — all contributors with real upside who were all taken in the 3rd round or later.
Here’s who the Raiders should get with their current picks:
1) Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC; Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech or Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
2) Phil Loadholt, T, Oklahoma: “Loadholt is a huge, monstrous tackle who can shed the opposition away with ease. He stays square to the opposition, has good technique and uses his brute strength to his advantage to knock defenders off their rush. He’s a strong run-blocker who drives the opposition off the line and finishes his blocks until the whistle blows.” — Scout.com
3) Paul Kruger, DE, Utah: “Kruger plays with a mean streak. He changes personalities on the field. He has good toughness and his motor never quits. He will give a consistent effort throughout the game and has come through with numerous clutch plays. He is a consummate team player and loves the physical aspect of the game.” — NFLDraftScout.com
4) Zack Follet, OLB, California: “A punishing hitter, Follet registered an eye-popping 23 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks and forcing five fumbles in his senior season. Plays with reckless abandon on every snap. Looks to intimidate his opponent.” — NFLDraftscout.com
7) Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State: According to Fresno State coach Pat Hill, Pascoe is “the most devastating blocker we’ve ever had at his position, ever!”
April 13th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
3-4 and 4-3 defense…a little different eh SnB?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I’d trade …
– Huff for a 4th or better.
– Burgess for a 3rd or better.
– Walter to move up one spot in the 7th round or better.
There is a lot of talent in those middle rounds. Look at JLH, Bush, Schilens and Mario Henderson — all contributors with real upside who were all taken in the 3rd round or later.
Here’s who the Raiders should get with their current picks:
1) Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC; Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech or Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
2) Phil Loadholt, T, Oklahoma: “Loadholt is a huge, monstrous tackle who can shed the opposition away with ease. He stays square to the opposition, has good technique and uses his brute strength to his advantage to knock defenders off their rush. He’s a strong run-blocker who drives the opposition off the line and finishes his blocks until the whistle blows.” — Scout.com
3) Paul Kruger, DE, Utah: “Kruger plays with a mean streak. He changes personalities on the field. He has good toughness and his motor never quits. He will give a consistent effort throughout the game and has come through with numerous clutch plays. He is a consummate team player and loves the physical aspect of the game.” — NFLDraftScout.com
4) Zack Follet, OLB, California: “A punishing hitter, Follet registered an eye-popping 23 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks and forcing five fumbles in his senior season. Plays with reckless abandon on every snap. Looks to intimidate his opponent.” — NFLDraftscout.com
7) Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State: According to Fresno State coach Pat Hill, Pascoe is “the most devastating blocker we’ve ever had at his position, ever!”
Chris as usual you make sense but scratch off Craptree and Maclin. Spread O WRs to be selected that high? No way. They play in that BS offense and never line up in traiditional 2 wr i form and one tight end. I was never impressed with either
April 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
You can put Rey or any other MLB, but untill we fix the D line. The results will be the same. IMHO.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
You can put Rey or any other MLB, but untill we fix the D line. The results will be the same. IMHO.
Totally disagree here. Kirk misses many tackles time and time again. Kirk doesnt lay hard hits and if its a goaline or 3rd and short I’m not confident in his abilities to stop the RB because he hardly ever does it
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I think the DEs were more of a problem than the DTs last year. That’s why I’d trade the No. 7 pick for Julius Peppers, if Carolina was interested.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
# palika01 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
IMHO, keep Bush. Mcfadden is still unproven. At least we know that Bush is an animal when he runs.
McFadden is unproven but Bush isnt? Where do you people come up with this shyt?
we finally agree on something?every skill position player on the raiders offense is unproven!!!!(except miller)
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Maclin/Craptree lovers= yeah let’s run WR screens as if we are playing against DBs who will be insurance salesmen next year.
Yup great strategy. Watch some moron later on say shyt about Wes Welker who is a 3rd option with a hall of fame qb, coach and WR.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We could keep Bush, McFadden, and Rankin wrap up Walters, Fargas, and Burgess? Who’s know’s what we could get, but we definitely need to make a few more moves improving our line and maybe getting some more picks. It’s obvious the old is on the way out and the young are getting the chance to build this team together. With Cables hard nosed leadership I think we have a bright future, and atleast we made some moves in this offseason that makes sense unlike the past 5 YEARS.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
I think the DEs were more of a problem than the DTs last year. That’s why I’d trade the No. 7 pick for Julius Peppers, if Carolina was interested.
We damn sure need a base DE. I want a RDE. I’d love some way to have Michael Johnson. He added 10 lbs to his frame and didnt lose his burst. Remember he was 255 during his senior year, so the run defense concerns wear away when you know he gains weight and keeps his explosiveness
April 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
3-4 and 4-3 defense…a little different eh SnB?
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Not when it comes to stopping the run. When guards, centers and tackles get to the 2nd level and engage LBs, the offense is going to win more times than it loses.
If Ray “MF’n” Lewis can’t get it done without a space eating tackle, Mr. Morrison doesn’t stand a chance.
And neither will Rey Mauluaga and his Hulkamania routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnnxDqy515s
April 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Brien!…wattup dude.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
If we are looking at Loadholt as a guard, we should at least be looking at Herman Johnson (LSU) as well. We wouldn’t have to dangle picks or players to get him. He can’t be any less ahletic than Loadholt plus there was no one who dominated him in a game like Orakpo did to Loadholt.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
# NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We could keep Bush, McFadden, and Rankin wrap up Walters, Fargas, and Burgess? Who’s know’s what we could get, but we definitely need to make a few more moves improving our line and maybe getting some more picks. It’s obvious the old is on the way out and the young are getting the chance to build this team together. With Cables hard nosed leadership I think we have a bright future, and atleast we made some moves in this offseason that makes sense unlike the past 5 YEARS.
Yes because Dmac/Bush’s time is now! Why wait and sit people just to appease a guy with lackluster talent. Would you run a business like this? Burgess should have been traded last year as I told you guys. My god he makes me sick
April 13th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Big time Bob, whats up man? Uh oh Bob we are on at the same time like we are EVERYDAY lol
April 13th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Dodgers shelling the Giants.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
you guy`s who want rey maualuga at mlb fine.but you better get brace in the second our rey-rey will not look good out their.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
# DMunoz 26 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
1st, Bush will be traded to the Bills.
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You’ve been saying this is a done deal for three weeks now. Jesus dude, sober the fukk up.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
saying lb dont need dline is like saying qb and rb dont need oline
April 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Dodgers shelling the Giants.
Who doesnt? The Giants franchise in SF is for losers who care more about a starbucks ass stadium than actual titles. Tell them to come over to the east bay and I’ll show you some title banners
April 13th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
word brien,..clearly we are the same dude….hey man the A`s are blowin it,..almost mathematically out of it.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I STRONGLY recommend putting Terdell Sands on the trade block. He has trade value on the open market and may just need a change of scenery. Sands also punched the best punter in the league in his face.
I think the Raiders should trade Terdell Sands for a 3rd rounder.
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We wouldn’t get a gift card to a cheap restaurant for Sands right now.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I hear ya bro, will try and make day game this wednesday.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
you guy`s who want rey maualuga at mlb fine.but you better get brace in the second our rey-rey will not look good out their.
Personally I would want Sammie Lee Hill but would settle for Brace. Sammie Lee Hill is a versatile and also played DE due to teams game planning for him to be in the middle. At 6′4 330 lbs he gives us the girth inside to help quell this run bullshyt
April 13th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Hey what time did they move draft to?…1:00?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Nambdi 21
“Bush trade?
No way.
People have made too much of his balking at FB.”
So true, I don’t fault Cable for trying to him to do it, but you can’t fault the guy being pushing back when his boss was effectively asking him to jeapordize his Career before it started. Nothing good for Bush could have come from him playing FB.
If Bush does jump at the opportunity to play FB he would have most likely have been a below average FB because it isn’t his natural position which would make him look like a below average football player. This would limit his chances to see the field in Oakland as a HB, and limit his chance to restart his career elsewhere if Oakland parts ways with a below average FB. If he happens to be a great FB he will have to play there forever. That would effectively seal his NFL fate of a 6yr punishing career of collecting only the leauge minimum because that is all FBs are worth.
Bush was simply protecting himself by pushing back when asked to do such a big favor for the Raiders. I don’t fault him for it, and I would be surprised if all that many people in the organization or leauge fault him for it either.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Saw Maclin on eson just now,..hes pretty cool,..seems ready for nfl.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
word brien,..clearly we are the same dude….hey man the A`s are blowin it,..almost mathematically out of it.
LOL come on Bob. They are cool. Just gotta let April and May pass on through. June is where we find out what the deal is. We gonna have issues with pitching until the summer anyways. I feel we need one more starter
April 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Kirk Morrison isnt the issue. Sands and Kelly is.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Brien,
I respect your opinion bro. You don’t think a lot of our problems with the Run D, are due to poor D line play? He missed some tackles, but I think that was due to him having to run full speed after being blocked from an O lineman. He is not a nasty hitter, and I agree. But the Raiders like LBs that can cover since we play a lot of MAN C.
When I say he was running full speed, I mean he didn’t have a chance to set anchor his feet to set the tackle.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I think it will be Maclin or Raji,..between those two only….Andre and all other o lineman not considered in round one, not with Barnes getting shot at left tackle….Im thinking it will be Maclin.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
The number 7 pick has to be a player who will undoubtedly start in 09 and have a huge impact. Who is that guy? Rey or M. Johnson people say is too high so TRADE DOWN. This is ridiculous now to select a bust just to be stubborn
April 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
saying a MLB dont need a good dline is like saying a QB and a RB dont need a good oline
April 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
The Bills have Lynch. No way in hell they trade their starting LT for a backup RB. Im assuming that you were joking.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
# raidertay Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Kirk Morrison isnt the issue. Sands and Kelly is.
How is Kelly the issue?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
more rey maualuga.i like the end wear rey-rey could`nt even finish the game and left on a golf cart with his knee wrapped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38nQq2U5Mvg
April 13th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I think it will be Maclin or Raji,..between those two only….Andre and all other o lineman not considered in round one, not with Barnes getting shot at left tackle….Im thinking it will be Maclin.
Sadly I’d rather have Raji
April 13th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Brien Im goin to Sharks game thursday,…should be some great euro-trash fighting at the tank.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Dodger player just hit for cycle.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Brien,
I respect your opinion bro. You don’t think a lot of our problems with the Run D, are due to poor D line play? He missed some tackles, but I think that was due to him having to run full speed after being blocked from an O lineman. He is not a nasty hitter, and I agree. But the Raiders like LBs that can cover since we play a lot of MAN C.
When I say he was running full speed, I mean he didn’t have a chance to set anchor his feet to set the tackle.
LOL O, I’m on record saying this many times. The problem is we have no NT and had garbage vs the run DEs. Throw that in with the softest starting MLB in the league and you got issues. Mega
April 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Norco Bob ,
maclin or a TRADE back and get dhb and mack.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Brien Im goin to Sharks game thursday,…should be some great euro-trash fighting at the tank.
I do enjoy the fighting
April 13th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Brien the General 510 ,and what`s wrong with maclin?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Why are the Giants so good at Defense and better than us?! Do they have better CBs, Ss, LBs, or D linemen? It can’t be all coaching.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
People actually saying Tommy Kelly is a main issue for the lack of run D need to shut the fugg up. First off because teams knew we had Warren as the starter at NT. Why not just double Kelly and let Warren be a dumbass and play NT as if its the 3 tech?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
You guys keep saying trade down,..are you all not aware that everyone in the top ten are trying their damnedest to get the hell outta the top ten?…every team is,…so enough with the trade down, because every team wants to but nobody is moving up anymore until rookie salary cap is in effect.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Brien the General 510 ,and what`s wrong with maclin?
Ever see him lineup in conventional offense? Is he starting over Walker,Schilens or Higgins?
I hate spread O Wrs. Get me guys who played in more pro style offense
April 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Here is the game plan for 2009 if they are smart:
Grab Raji and Gilbert in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Put Raji at the NT and Gilbert as the base DE. Your starting lineup would be:
LDE: Jarron Gilbert / Jay Richardson
UT: Tommy Kelly / Gerald Warren
NT: B.J Raji / Sands or draft pick
RDE: Trevor Scott or Derrick Burgess
Now John Marshall has some players to build around and Dwayne Board can work his magic. This D-Line will shave about 50 rushing yards a game nad generate more sacks.
For those who still need info on Raji or Gilbert:
B.J Raji:
Outstanding mass and bulk…Excellent strength…Stout at the point of attack…Can fill two gaps…Able to occupy multiple blockers…Tough, powerful and nasty…A beast against the run…Can really collapse the pocket…Able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield…Above average athleticism…Quick and agile…Pursues well and has a burst to close…Good instincts and awareness…Will offer schematic versatility
Jarron Gilbert:
Good size with a large frame and long arms…Very athletic…Extremely quick…Terrific natural strength and power…Big, strong hands…Nice balance and agility…Is able to penetrate and make plays in the backfield…Decent range and pursues well…Smart with good instincts and awareness…Offers positional and schematic versatility…Reliable tackler…Decent production…Is still improving and has a lot of upside.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Raider O are you serious?…look at the Giants front 4,..then look at ours,..you must be kidding.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Wow SnB and it still looks as if the Raiders will be in need a nose tackle after all according to your plan
April 13th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Brien,
Kelly and Sands are responsible for keeping the OLs off the LBs. Essentially LBs are suppose to be cleanup men.
Its nearly impossible to fight off multiple 300pd OLs along with a 250 pd FB and tackle a 200 pd RB all on the same play. Very seldom do you see Kirk simply whiff a tackle.
Kelly should be getting some penetration and Sands should be getting doubleteams. Neither have materialized on a consistent basis. Kirk has played pretty good considering the circumstances.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
warren is playing nt because sands is that bad.why call the guy a dumba** if he is not really a nt.that`s like lining welker up on the outside like a number#1 than getting mad because he can not go deep.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
JFC!!!! there is a huge fire in my street…
April 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Brien,
I agree with you on the NT part, but kirk Soft! I’m from SD and I attend SDSU. Does that explain it?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Anything new?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Go pee on it LMN.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
jerry rice came from a spreed offense.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Norco,
No sir. I was trying to make a point. Thanks for helping. lol
April 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Brien,
YOu honestly think Kelly gets penetration on a consistent basis. Whats games were you watchin???
April 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
The differnece between Raider D and Giant D is that they arent soft by any means. They have a sure tackler at MLB, a true NT and a and damn pass rusher from both sides who can play the run
April 13th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Wow SnB and it still looks as if the Raiders will be in need a nose tackle after all according to your plan
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Nope, Raji will be the Raiders NT for the next 10 years and provide more than just eating up lineman, he will also make plays in the backfield.
He’s 330lbs takes on double teams and makes plays. On NFL Network they said he would be a 1st round pick any year.
Time to stop the run
April 13th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Dakota…
LOL, just a minute, let me first finish this beer =)
April 13th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
jerry rice came from a spreed offense.
Yeah bending it over spreading for Steven Young and Brent Jones while they take turns
April 13th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
# raidertay Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Brien,
YOu honestly think Kelly gets penetration on a consistent basis. Whats games were you watchin???
What games did you watch and did you even READ my fugging post?!
April 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Tay, you cant be serious coming at with with weak shyt! As bad as the Raiders dline was Kelly was the best player on the dline. He got doubled more than anyone, even on run plays and he aint rhe NT. What games were you watching? I’m at the games and will be there again in 09
April 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
saying a MLB doesn’t need a good dline is like saying a QB and a RB doesn’t need a good oline
April 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
LMN,
Are the people of Denmark overthrowing their soci@list government finally?…or did a car just blow up in your street?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
blackdeath29, i bet you were one of the losers who wore Rice jerseys and loved the fat she was posing as a Raider. I spit at Rice fans and dont have any respect for them
April 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Oh oh, here we go again.
LMN VS. Dakota
I say LMN +1. any takers? We’ll start at $10.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Damn Fairy Rice. Due to Rice in New England 2001 we got what we deserved and Super Bowl 37 we definitely got justice served. It was only fair.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
# NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We could keep Bush, McFadden, and Rankin wrap up Walters, Fargas, and Burgess? Who’s know’s what we could get, but we definitely need to make a few more moves improving our line and maybe getting some more picks. It’s obvious the old is on the way out and the young are getting the chance to build this team together. With Cables hard nosed leadership I think we have a bright future, and atleast we made some moves in this offseason that makes sense unlike the past 5 YEARS.
Yes because Dmac/Bush’s time is now! Why wait and sit people just to appease a guy with lackluster talent. Would you run a business like this? Burgess should have been traded last year as I told you guys. My god he makes me sick
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Thank you Brien for the back up! We have some monster young players that NEED to be developed! Fargas did us good for a couple years but he gets injured almost as much as Lamont Jordan… that just won’t cut it. Trevor Scott played well in one game last year but I still think we need an all around DE to come in to give him some support… like I said earlier… Burgess has just been to invisible the past couple years and we need to work with some new guys… not just another body on the field that rarely contributes, if at all. The one sack I can remember last year that Burgess got that had any significance was the LAST play of the season against Tampa. Great when it came but where the *@#! was he the REST of the year?!?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Okay, since the Raiders are bringing in these 2nd and 3rd round tackle prospects it tells me that tackle is still an area of need despite all you Barnes and Henderson lovers out there…of course they would never tip their hand by bringing in a top ten pick for a visit, so that means we are going with ANDRE SMITH at #7!!!! All these visits are nothing but a smoke screen to convice teams we are not going for a tackle in round 1.
Bit of a stretch, I know.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Brien,
Kelly being the best player on the Raider DLine isnt saying a lot. I do agree in that he did play a lot better towards the end of the season. He would start the games strong and then get hammered in the second half. We need some rotation along the DLine.
I always thought Kelly would be a better DT then UT because he is strong as sh!t.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Oh oh, here we go again.
LMN VS. Dakota
I say LMN +1. any takers? We’ll start at $10.
O, we are betting on a leftist and a right winger. Same overlords control both sides. But the argument is entertaining. I think I’m for Dakota. Gotta respect a guy with the CMT mullet
April 13th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
# raidertay Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Brien,
Kelly being the best player on the Raider DLine isnt saying a lot. I do agree in that he did play a lot better towards the end of the season. He would start the games strong and then get hammered in the second half. We need some rotation along the DLine.
I always thought Kelly would be a better DT then UT because he is strong as sh!t.
Tay everyone seems to forget that Tommy Kelly played Nose Tackle for the Raiders in 2006 but the wight gain didnt make him that effective and it didnt help with Sapp and Burgess getting pushed back all game
April 13th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Lol, what is a “CMT” mullet?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
# NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
# NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We could keep Bush, McFadden, and Rankin wrap up Walters, Fargas, and Burgess? Who’s know’s what we could get, but we definitely need to make a few more moves improving our line and maybe getting some more picks. It’s obvious the old is on the way out and the young are getting the chance to build this team together. With Cables hard nosed leadership I think we have a bright future, and atleast we made some moves in this offseason that makes sense unlike the past 5 YEARS.
Yes because Dmac/Bush’s time is now! Why wait and sit people just to appease a guy with lackluster talent. Would you run a business like this? Burgess should have been traded last year as I told you guys. My god he makes me sick
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Thank you Brien for the back up! We have some monster young players that NEED to be developed! Fargas did us good for a couple years but he gets injured almost as much as Lamont Jordan… that just won’t cut it. Trevor Scott played well in one game last year but I still think we need an all around DE to come in to give him some support… like I said earlier… Burgess has just been to invisible the past couple years and we need to work with some new guys… not just another body on the field that rarely contributes, if at all. The one sack I can remember last year that Burgess got that had any significance was the LAST play of the season against Tampa. Great when it came but where the *@#! was he the REST of the year?!?
It just boggles the mind how this isnt being seen by the top people but us blog losers can see it LOL
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Isnt that the Country Music Television? lol. It’s the channel I know must be skipped over when I’m channel surfing
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
As nice as it would be to take Raji, I still wouldn’t be opposed to trading down and taking Bey and Loadholt (or Maualuga if he’s still there and take Loadholt in the second)…. even still, Raji’s a beast and he looks like the next game changer along the lines of Haynesworth…
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Its true,…when Rice was a raider only brien and our buddy dave never applauded or cheered when Rice score a td….they just stood there looking pissed…lol
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
spot on Brien, you are on spot on…
April 13th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Tommy Kelly is supposed to be the penetrator. Brien was right on one point, having Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands allowed offenses to focus their attention on Kelly with double teams.
Kelly should either be the UT, or, my favorite, moved back to LDE. Moving Kelly outside would shore up the DE issue against the run.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I dont want Raji but would take him over Craptree and Maclin. That would be a tragic mistake next saturday if it goes down
April 13th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Gotchya Brien. CMT mullet, good one.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
As nice as it would be to take Raji, I still wouldn’t be opposed to trading down and taking Bey and Loadholt (or Maualuga if he’s still there and take Loadholt in the second)…. even still, Raji’s a beast and he looks like the next game changer along the lines of Haynesworth…
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DHB would be a waste of a draft pick. Someone needs to explain to me what these speedsters bring to the roster that the current speed guys can’t bring. DHB is no upgrade to Schilens and Maclin is no upgrade to JLH. When you factor in that Schilens likes to block and JLH is entering his 3rd yr and the light is starting to come on….the gap only gets larger.
The Raiders don’t need any speed guys.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Its true,…when Rice was a raider only brien and our buddy dave never applauded or cheered when Rice score a td….they just stood there looking pissed…lol
Yeah and if anyone with a Rice or Garner jersey tried to shoot me a high five I declined
April 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I guess I cheered some, but of course no way I put their gear on,..Stabler jersey on, every sunday.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Anyone know for sure the new time for the draft to sart?..is it 1:00?
April 13th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Two drafts:
1. Raji
2. Gilbert
3. Brinkley
4. Burton (Safety Notre Dame)
or
1. Tyson Jackson
2. Ron Brace
3. Brinkley
4. Burton
April 13th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I’m not saying he’s DHB is essential, I’m just in touch with reality. Davis hasn’t made one move towards ANY receivers this offseason which means he’s lookin at the draft… we got three options here guys. DHB, Crabtree, or Maclin. Which would you prefer? I think our young WR’s are great and they really started to produce for us towards the end of the season. But this is Davisworld, what do you honestly think he’ll go for? A speed/size receiver or what we really need… a D Lineman or maybe even a LT? I would prefer to shore up the line but who knows if Cables influence spreads that far? After all these recent drafts it almost seems like Davis feels like he has to go for what he thinks is a sure bet.
April 13th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
KrappyKell Update -
After wandering off from the Easter egg hunt (yes, there was only 1 egg) with a large dump in his pajamas, Krappy was located at a nearby Chili’s.
Witnesses say he’s been trying to log onto one of the big screen tvs for the last 3 hours, mumbling something about needing to “blog for his live.” Unfortunately, before police could arrive, he unleashed yet another dump in his pants.
Krappy is back home now in his hospital issue bed, heavily sedated on curly fries.
He did want to pass along this message to all of his imaginary cyber pals -
“BRIAN IS AN IDIOT.”
- Krappy
April 13th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
This guy makes a reasonably thought-out argument about why we WON’T take a WR or DT: http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php
April 13th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Ok,..found out,..draft moved from 9:00 out here to 1:00.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
nader64 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
This guy makes a reasonably thought-out argument about why we WON’T take a WR or DT: http://walterfootball.com/draft2009.php
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That’s because this guy thinks Al Davis is stupid. Its interesting that guys like Mayock and others think that Davis is obsessed with speed that he would reach 10 or 15 spots for Maclin, 15 to 30 spots for Heyward-Bey, and a ridiculous 30 to 50 spots for Michael Johnson.
If Davis were to reach double digits with the #7, they should take his persona out of the Hall of Fame.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
LT Jason Peters from the Bills is on the trading block according to the NFLTA.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Im liking Raji at 7,..or Maclin,…if we could trade down to say 12, get Rey, with an extra pick in round 2 that would be ideal. Im out, goin to go get high and watch the A`S game tonight and bar b q,..oh, and get drunk too. peace out.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
NnamdiShutsDown,
maclin at #7 if not trade down and get dhb and mack.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Final Score: USN SEALS,3. Sommali Pirates,0.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Really? lol. Personally I don’t think he’d take Johnson that high either but would love to see us grab a DE, just not that high. I’m holding out hope for a bomb-ass OT. That’s more likely IMO. I posted as some potential insight into who WON’T be picked. Not to say that Johnson was the pick. He does hate on Al, but that doesn’t change the fact that he put some thoughts into his pick before saying “Maclin or Raji” like a lot of mockers.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I thought Kelly played DE in 2006
April 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
909… yep. You could see that coming a mile away. I have a friend in the SEALS; if they wanted to (well, they probably did want to, but were told no) they could have swum up to that boat undetected and pulled the pirates overboard and killed them barehanded.
Now that would have been a story.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
nader64 Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Really? lol. Personally I don’t think he’d take Johnson that high either but would love to see us grab a DE, just not that high. I’m holding out hope for a bomb-ass OT. That’s more likely IMO. I posted as some potential insight into who WON’T be picked. Not to say that Johnson was the pick. He does hate on Al, but that doesn’t change the fact that he put some thoughts into his pick before saying “Maclin or Raji” like a lot of mockers.
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True, but the premise of the guys argument was that Davis is so obsessed with speed that he will make bad decisions because of it. Certainly Davis is a speed guy and I can see why Crabtree might not be considered.
I guess the reporter should have put Orakpo at #7. He’s athletic and has speed. To put Michael Johnson there is ridiculous.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Mark “The Bird Fidrych, found dead on his farm under a dump truck he was working on. At age 54.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Teach…
Actually that score should be: SEALS,5. Pirates,0.
Forgot to mention, that they rescued the Capt. of the cargo ship alive. Plus have one Pirate in custody. My bad.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
so that does not include last year draft when he took mcfadden the second fastest rb not chris johnson the fastest or two years ago with russell not even close to fast.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Well if Crabtree had won the Heisman, that would have sealed the deal.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
909… When my friend’s home on leave he gets up in the middle of the night, gets camo’d up and goes out crawling around in the bushes hunting for wildlife with a knife.
True story.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
aso not the fastest,gallery not the fastest.saying johnson is just trying to be funny.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
O Mock Draft 15.0:
1- DT Raji
2- WR: DHB, Robiskie, or Ramses B.
3- SS Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE Clinton McD
7- OLB: Lee Robinson, Robert Francois, Tyrell Sales, or Russell Allen from SDSU.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Oh oh, here we go again.
LMN VS. Dakota
I say LMN +1. any takers? We’ll start at $10.
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bwahahahha, good stuff.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Teach..
Thats one way to keep your edge, while on r&r..lol
April 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
well the building derserved it, its from the 1880s so it was finally due =) LOL well the firefighters got all out, thankfully it wasnt that late, so people wasnt in their beds sleeping.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
A lot of folks in here think Crabtree’s overrated. Not these guys.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApFtQO0R3W8ZZp1lyaQ3qfU5nYcB?slug=cr-crabtreestock041309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
April 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
—”NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi reports that there’s an “80-85 percent chance” that Tony Gonzalez will be dealt to the Falcons this offseason. Lombardi says Gonzo has already cleared his Chiefs locker in anticipation of a deal. The Chiefs lost their second-round pick in February’s Matt Cassel trade and are reportedly willing to send Gonzalez to Atlanta for the No. 55 overall pick. Gonzo recently turned 33, but obviously can still play. He caught 96 passes for 1,058 yards (11.0 YPC) and 10 touchdowns in 2008″—
LOL this season just keep on getting easier… =)
April 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
# Dakota Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
LMN,
Are the people of Denmark overthrowing their soci@list government finally?…or did a car just blow up in your street?
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I think you have us confused with Thailand =) LOL
April 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Russell Allen from SDSU :
6′3 240
Ran a 4.63
24 reps on the Bench
34″ vertical
Last year he had 107 tackles and 10 TFL.
In one game, he had 22 TKLs.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Wasn’t Michael Lombardi the one that said that he “had been in the room”, and “there’s no way the Raiders are taking a wide receiver with their first pick”?
His latest prediction has the Raiders taking WR Darrius Heywood-Bey with the 7th overall pick.
THAT Michael Lombardi?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
LMN,
I’m glad no one was hurt.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Can you believe that? There are modern day pirates and now they want to come and attack us. With ships, these guys can bring nuclear war heads over if they have the capability. Looks like the end of the world is truly near. Unreal.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Raider O..
me too, some thugs, convinced a man not to jump, and wait for the rescuers to come aid him down.. wise choice!
April 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
24,
Better hurry up and get married before it’s too late.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Raider O – No kidding. She might be the only reason I get into Heaven. Gotta make God feel guilty for not letting my girl’s husband go with her right? Haha.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Teach: next time your friend is home on leave i live in tracy send him over to my house he can “hunt ” all he wants
April 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
JerryMac…
Don’t forget to ask Coach Cable at the presser tomorrow, how is Oren Oneal doing w/ his rehab on the knee?, and where the hell has Andrew’s Mom’s boy been hiding?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
R8rpaver… lol I think he’s only allowed to hunt people when he’s on the clock.
As far as I know, anyway.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Hey hey there’s old Krappy! Fresh off his Easter egg hunt ordeal, he somehow managed to sign on and write something totally and completely idiotic! How thoroughly krappy of him!
Listen you old sow, get out of those twice soiled britches you’ve been sporting for the last 48 hours and into that nice warm bathtub.
And please don’t leave your wrinkly old head in the microwave again overnight. Got it, Krappy?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
24,
Guilty, LMAO.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Teach:if he wants to stay in “game shape” is all im saying lol
April 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Theres a little too much hunting going on in Tracy these days. You gotta watch your back over there now.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Thank god those Seals were on the money. Capt would have been dead, and Obama would have been crucified.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
CRABTREE ON THE MEND
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 13, 2009, 6:21 p.m.
As the debate continues over whether Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree’s draft stock will take a hit because he has been unable to work out for NFL teams due to a stress fracture in his left foot, the Fred Biletnikoff Award winner is making some progress medically.
According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Crabtree is now wearing a soft shoe after previously being in a cast and a walking boot following a March 4 surgical procedure.
Crabtree is reportedly scheduled to visit four NFL teams this week, including the Cleveland Browns today.
He’s also set to meet with Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C., on Saturday for a final medical evaluation.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
No $-it just about time to get out of here… back to escalon.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Bush would still be sitting in a classroom with a blank look on his face if he were President.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Glad someone realizes the raider LBs are not that good, Morrison has had how many sacks in his career? Thomas Howard is one of the faster LBS in the league and only has 3 or 4 sacks for his career maybe less, I guess it was the coaching ?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
PFT.com
As the 2009 draft approaches, several teams in the top ten actively are trying to trade out of it.
We’re hearing that this group includes the Lions, Chiefs, and Browns.
It also includes the Jaguars, whom we’re told are desperately trying to get out of the eighth overall spot in the draft.
But the Jags currently can find no takers.
Nor can any of the other teams in the top ten.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Thomas Howard is the real deal. He just isn’t asked to blitz.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
No classless chest thumping. Just understated elegance.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Bush won’t be traded…
and if our scouts can’t see that Crabtree is the best WR by a mile after watching 220 catches then they are as dumb as Lombardi and Mayock… 40 times….stupid!!
April 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
There’s a really good book out about the SEALs. It’s called “Rogue Warrior” by a guy named Richard Marcinko. He’s the guy that started SEAL Team Six, their special anti-terrorist unit (probably the team that did that rescue). The guy’s an absolute maniac.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Said Dolphins S Gibril Wilson, “I think we’re going to be a very tight-knit group and I think we can be the best secondary in the league if we all just put our heads together and put the talent together and make it happen.”
(How can he have the best secondary without Asomugha? Haha.)
April 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
LMN,
Your thugs are nicer than our’s.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
CRABTREE’S INJURY “NOT AN ISSUE”?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 13, 2009, 9:35 a.m.
Texas Tech receiver Michael Crabtree appears on the cover of the latest ESPN The Magazine with this boastful quote: “I could probably run a 4.4 with crutches.”
Making that manuever even more impressive is the fact that he has never run a 4.4 without crutches, and plenty of league observers believe that he couldn’t.
Seth Wickersham’s article explores in part the obsession with a player’s ability to run 120 feet in a straight line wearing a T-shirt and shorts. Though we believe to a certain extent that it’s a farce, we also realize that the folks who will be held accountable for draft picks that are squandered need the safe haven of impressive measurables in order to make the case when the owner wants to know what $30 million of his hard-earned dollars have been given to a player who hasn’t earned $30,000 of them.
In Crabtree’s case, a back-and-forth decision-making process regarding a stress fracture in his foot eventually resulted in a decision to undergo surgery and not to run the 40-yard dash at all — not at the Scouting Combine, not at his Pro Day workout, not anywhere — before the draft.
So whoever takes him had better be damn confident that he’s going to be a great player, or damn certain of his own job security.
That said, some think that Crabtree’s injury isn’t a concern.
“It’s not an issue to us,” an unnamed team exec tells Peter King of SI.com. “I view it as less worrisome than the stress fracture [Carolina running back draftee] Jonathan Stewart had last year. Crabtree might be the best player in the draft. He hasn’t been marked down by us because of the injury.”
Of course, without knowing the specific identity of the source — or at a minimum the team for whom the source works — it’s impossible to tell whether it’s an honest opinion, or whether perhaps the source hopes that someone picking above the source’s team pounces on Crabtree, pushing farther down the board one or more of the players whom the source’s team truly covets.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Our’s would have convinced the poor man to throw his valuables 1st then jump, so the can take his things. lol
April 13th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
All those Special Forces guys are a little spooky to me.
I remember they came around at boot camp looking for people, not me pal.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
You should read that book, Kell. You’ll spend half your time shaking your head and the other half laughing your a** off.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
The top of this draft isn’t where the value is that’s why teams want to move out of the top[ ten.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Supposedly Texas A&M QB Stephen McGee has visited with the Raiders recently. I really liked him at A&M. He had a decent arm, but was fast, really good at creating on the run and tough. He reminded me of a lankier version of Tebow, with a better arm. He would be an interesting player to develop behind Garcia.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
24… makes you wonder who the Chiefs, Browns and Lions are targeting, yeah?
The Chiefs are the interesting team for me. The Lions and Browns will probably blow it no matter where they draft, but Pioli was really good at stockpiling picks in New England and he’s probably the one there that actually has a plan.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Thanks teach ill have to pick that one up
April 13th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Teach – Yeah…This Draft will bring alot of shock value to it because its unpredictable.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I think the biggest key for the draft is the Lions. They need to draft Stafford to help push back the rest of the talent. If they choose another position, that kind of screws things up because other teams can pick the next best in line vs….which one do we pick? They’re all good.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
O’s Final Mock Draft:
1- DT: B Raji, 6′1 335. 33 reps on the Bench.
2- WR: DHB if available, if not Robiskie. He is 6′3 215, son of a WR coach, ran a 4.49, and has a 38″ vertical.
3- SS: David Bruton, or Vaughn. I like Bruton more. He is 6′2 219, 42″ vertical, and ran a 4.45.
4- DE: Clinton Mcdonald. 6′3 280, 46 reps on the bench, 38″ vertical, and ran a 4.80.
7- OLB: Russell Allen from SDSU. 6′3 240, ran a 4.63, and had 24 reps on the bench.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Correction, McD had 36 reps not 46. I’m really high on this kid.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
what scares me about crabtree is k.c. at number 3.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
This draft will fix all of our problems. IMO
most if not all can start from day one, and they can make an impact. We also add a WR high in the Draft to be our possesion WR, and help us on 3rd downs.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
LMN,
Your thugs are nicer than our’s.
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yeah they even asked the cops to speed up the process, and when they were told they were on their way, they just stepped aside =)
April 13th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
24… people keep saying that Cleveland’s going to take Crabtree, but I just don’t see it. They seem like the most likely of all the teams ahead of us and I was concerned that they might, but their defense really sucks, and you have to be able to run the ball in that division (well, any division, really, but that one for sure)… it wouldn’t shock me if they’re trying to get out of the top ten so they can get Beanie Wells or maybe one of the 3-4 linebackers that will be around from 11-15 or so.
The Lions should absolutely take Stafford. They can get a decent tackle later on too, or a defensive starter. Maybe they look at the rest of the top ten and see that not too many other teams are looking at a QB and think they can get him or Sanchez later though, who knows.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
LMN,
Read the next one.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
raider o,
if the raiders can draft that than i would give them an A.who is mcdonald?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
BD29,
He is a DT/DE from Memphis.
He had 7.5 TFL, and 7 sacks last year. As a JR, he had 55 TKLs, 9.5 TFL, and 4 sacks.
He is a 4 yr starter. If he was 6′5 or 6′6, he would have been a high 2nd RD pick.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Raider O
I really like DL Clinton McDonald too.
He reminds me of Rod Coleman, another another “undersized”, tweener DE-DT we drafted in the 5th round back in 99.
“Bob Marley Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 8:21 am
Here’s an interesting guy in the 4th round:
DT Clinton McDonald (6-2, 283 pounds): Ran a 4.89 and 4.83 in the 40, had a 38-inch vertical jump and did 36 bench press reps.
Those are some great numbers, very fast and very strong, he’s undersized but can rush the passer and maybe play some DE as well, should at least contribute in a rotation with his pass rushing skill.
Seems like he can be a Rod Coleman type of player.”
You agree?.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RaiderO,
You watch a lot of Memphis football?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Hey all, Raiders resigned Hiram Eugene today. Guess he won’t be trade bait.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I would love for someone to answer me this:
If Mike Bush was such a stud as some of you love to claim, how is it he went a stretch of 8 or so games where he didnt even play? If he is SO great and Fargas is SO bad, why did Fargas play and Bush didnt?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Teach – Mangini doesn’t seem to know offense very well. He makes poor decisions in that area in my opinion. He focuses everything on defense, puts little regard towards offense and his teams are faulty. Hes the next Herman Edwards. Hes traded away a talented TE, created controversy over his star WR and the public knows he doesn’t like either of his QB’s. He’s going to be left with nothing. In my opinion, Hes an A-Hole. I bet Rob Ryan feels screwed over.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Dude,
No sir. My friend told about him today, so I researched the kid. I really like him, and I think he can be a great Base End for us. IMO
April 13th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Raider O…
LOL =) our thugs just sell has1sh =)
April 13th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
But you have never seen him play. How much can you really like a guy you havent seen play?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Can any of you pls post a link for youtube on Clinton McD. I can’t.
Dude,
I’m USC, the OSU, and SDSU fan.
I’m giving you insider information on Russell Allen. He will be a good NFL LB, maybenot a PB. Hecan play, and we can get him in the 7th.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
24… true story. He’d better get something going in that division, though, or the only team they’re going to score on is the Bengals.
And i don’t know about you, but the thought of a Rob Ryan defense carrying my team doesn’t exactly inspire a whole lot of confidence.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
rob ryan will do better in cleveland than here.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I like what I saw from the clips. You dont have to like him, but I like him a lot. That’s my opinion. why don’t you go argue with someone else.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
they never gave ryan the personnel he needed for his defense
April 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Teach – The confusing part about the Browns is that Mangini is a control freak. He is a micro manager. Al Davis seems to be the same thing here in Oakland. With that being said, Rob Ryan ran a version of what Al Davis likes and he obviously failed miserably. I think Willie Shaw did the same thing but he did it with success. The question is, will Rob Ryan be running a version of the Mangini Defense or does Ryan have more control to do what he wants with his 3-4 Defense? The mere fact that Rob Ryan went from a 4-3 Defense to a 3-4 Defense tells me that Rob was a 3-4 guy all along and Davis obviously runs this defense how he wants to.
For all we know, Rob Ryan could have more freedom and hes running the type of defense he wanted to in Oakland so he may call a good game but we just won’t know for sure.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
because of bush’s contract he’s the most viable option in a trade i hope we get peters from the bills for him
April 13th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Hey Robert Nesta Marley – Kiper has us getting your boy from Penn State in rd. 4. I hope we get him anyway!
April 13th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
here is cliton mcdonald.looks good in the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33itRWesYys
April 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
24,
We’ll know as soon as Ryan blitzes more than 3 times in a game if it was him or AD dictating the D
April 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Not arguing, just curious how much you could like a guy youve never seen, thats all. Chill. I dont not like the dude, never seen him play so I dont know enough about him to comment.
Kirk,
How is Fargas an ” ass kisser”?
What makes Bush the best back “we” have?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I think it’s going to be a tough go for Ryan in Cleveland. That division puts a lot more stress on an offense than the AFC West, and if they’re doing the three and out thing all the time his defense is going to get worked by the Steelers’ and Ravens’ running game(wow, that sounds familiar). Keep in mind too, that Carson Palmer is back with Cincy this year and they could be much better on offense than they were with Ryan Fitzpatrick under center, TJ or no TJ.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
then get crabtree, i would feel a whole lot better about our offense, then go defense in the draft the rest of the way
April 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Jerry
Whatup with the Russell/Garcia dynamic?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Dinnertime. Remember, the secondary is safe- Hiram Eugene has been re- upped!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
mcfadden is our best running back if he can stay healthy, he needs to run a little lower though
April 13th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
garcia is a huge upgrade over walter and gradkowski
April 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
OK, I watched the clip on the Memphis dude. Not bad, not bad at all. Looks to be pretty strong and tough. Hmmm, intersting.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Dude,
I respect that and you.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
rob ryan will do better in cleveland because he is running he`s defense a 3-4.marshall will do better than ryan because he is running his defense a 4-3 under,but he still needs a stud dt and de.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
29 ur rite and man,do we need to upgrade the d-line!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Starting jobs are won during the week.
Fargas and McFadden always get high praise from the coaches for their work habits, discipline and willingness to stay and watch film, work on pass protection and all that stuff.
Maybe Bush isn’t working as hard and if that’s the case he should remain on the bench, or do you guys really think the coaches are watching Bush tear it up in practice every week and thinking: “This guy is gonna help me win, but I really like Justin.”. Come on.
By the way, if Fargas or McFadden were ever asked to play some FB because we had no one else, I’m pretty sure they would done it without complaining, you have to take one for the team once in awhile, teammates respect that, they don’t respect cry-babies.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
plus bush is just as injury prone as vargas and mcfadden
April 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Carson Palmer reminds me of Troy Aikman. He just doesn’t have the team that Aikman had.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
If by “his” defense you mean Al Davis’s defense then yes, you are correct. Lets not pretend there will be a big philosophy change because the name under the DC listing has changed.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
no one has ever had the team aikman had
April 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
shyte.. why the hell havent i found my bed yet?… Night all, sleep tight…
April 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Bob Marley – I know what you mean but if Gannon always listened to what the coaches told him they wanted him to do, he would have been a DB and out of the league in 3 years. Instead, he stuck to his guns and became an MVP QB and Multiple Pro Bowl MVP, broke records and made it to a Superbowl. If Bush allows coaches to move him and he does it without a fight, then he could be forgotten later on and stuck as a FB for the rest of his career. If the guy wants to be a RB, whats wrong with that?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Nader64
Yeah, someone posted the Kiper mock draft for the Raiders and I noticed he gave us Gerald Cadogan in the 4th, it actually pissed me off because those guys are always way off…lol.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
who is vargas ?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
if we cant stop an offense at the point of attack or put pressure on the qb al’s defense will never work, our corners are always exposed
April 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I “think” Marshall will run Davis’ Defense much better than Rob. I read that Marshall excels heavily in man to man Defense while his cover 2 usually struggles. Thats right up Davis’ alley.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Marley,
Perfectly put. If Fargas would have refused to play FB you would hear the screaming for miles from Raider Fan. Its a joke. Fargas produces when hes healthy and should have the respect of all Raider fans. Mike Bush hasnt done squat.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
head coaches and dc`s are scared of mcfadden.they will learn to respect bush.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
The idea of trading Bush and a second for Peterson sounds dumb to me. If we traded Bush straight up the Bills might still be getting the best of the deal.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Raidersince87 – Thats why Davis always drafts Corners. Hes trying to get guys that can cover to perfection but he forgets that people actually get tired. They can’t chase people all freakin day, I don’t care how good they are.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
draft experts might get lucky macking the right call in the 1st two rounds but after that they are always wrong
April 13th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
I know your not comparing moving from tailback to full back and moving from QB to S. I just know your not doing that.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
What exactly does Fargas produce? What has he done? Oh my gosh…he runs hard and gets 3 yards per carry.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
bush for jason peters would be a win-win for both teams, barnes and peters would be major upgrades at the tackles, something are offense has been lacking for a couple years, and with the better protection would help russels development
April 13th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
24
First of all, I’m completely against moving Bush to FB, but they asked him to help out because there was no one else at the time and he should have done it.
Coaches would have loved his willingness to sacrifice in order to help the team in a tough situation and that kind of attitude would likely have gotten him more carries later on as a Half-Back, pouting sure didn’t help his cause.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Fargas has produced a whopping 7 TD’s and has fumbled 9 times. Man hes awesome.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
it`s not davis`s defense.it`s the same defense i played on in college .it`s the most used defense in college and pro.the only davis twist is the limited blitz`s they run.if they had the n.y. giants d-line i could understand it.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
BTW – this Bush for Peters talk I believe was started by Mr. DMunoz26; the same nonsense monger who brought you the “done deal” Chad Johnson trade. I have a feelin dude is blowin smoke, just my two cents.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Bob Marley – They could have been creative and told him they wanted to have 2 HB sets and they would hand off to both guys and each guy would lead block for the other. They just needed to word it differently. Bush just wanted to know that he wasn’t going to be a lead blocker all game long.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
usually when your line cant get pressure on the qb u blitz more, i guess al knows something we dont
April 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Blackdeath29 – Whatever it is…its not the Patriots Defense or the Ravens Defense or the Steelers Defense. We’re certainly not doing what they’re doing.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
24,
Ignorance. Look it up. Do you even have an original thought in your mind? In 07 the kid avgd 4.5 per carry and went for a 1000 yards playing in an offense with ZERO passing game. Hell in 08 he almost avgd 4 yards per and went for 850 in 12 games while again, playing in an offense with no passing game. Is he an all-pro? No. Is he a good back? Yeah, he is. Seriously, do you even watch the games?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
24 with the 3-4 u can disguise your blitzes a little more easily
April 13th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
dude is right, i love fargas becuz of his downhill style and he ALWAYS runs hard
April 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Dude – And your the same guy that would bash Javon Walker despite him having 2 seasons over 1,000 yards but you wouldn’t even give him the time of day but suddenly, one 1,000 yard season makes Fargas a good back.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
24,
Are you funkn kidding me? “Worded” it different? WTF. He fits the FB mold and the team needed a FB. When told to move to FB he should have just freakn done it. What has he ever done to act like he did? Can you say primadonna? “Worded it different” LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Raidersince87 – You can’t disguise sh!t if you don’t blitz at all. You can disguise a 4-3 too. The Eagles do it well.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I agree that if he started talking to the players in “coachspeak” Cable would lose any credibility. Garcia was sayin how he likes that Cable “shoots straight”, etc.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Walker is coming off 2 MAJOR knee surgeries and hasnt played in 2 years. Huge difference. Man, you flat out dont know what the hell you are talking about. All you do is regurgitate the crap other people spew on here. Do you watch Raider games?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I do hope Bush learned his lesson, whatever it was. Because one thing is clear, all things being equal he has enough talent to have spent a lot more time on the field than he did.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
whoa easy, i not arguing that point with u i agree we dont blitz enuff and all i said it was it was a little bit EASIER to disguise it in a 3-4, i never said u couldnt in a 4-3, calm down
April 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
If the Bengals could put a halfway decent defense together they wouldn’t be half bad with Palmer running the offense.
Crazy they get so many guys arrested on that team. It’s either really bad judgement or the cops in Cincinnati are all over it 24/7. Or a combination of both, maybe.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Dude – You just don’t get it. You can try to over talk someone. That doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about. You’re just more dramatic, thats all.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I’m perfectly calm. No problem here. I’m laughing at Dude for bashing every single word thats being said. He just sounds so cool. My idol.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
when u have a star player who acts like a moron, its a trickle down affect, thats what happened in cincy, i like the fact that palmer made the statement he did when asked about johnson
April 13th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
24,
you named the top 3-4 defense`s .what about the top 4-3 d`s like tampa,philly,vikings,bears,giants and titans.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Teach – Marvin Lewis just isn’t the answer in Cincy. I could understand if he actually ran a successful defense but that offense was there when he got there and they have carried him the whole way. He has done nothing to improve that defense.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
but your right 24 al could get a lesson from joe johnson over in philly, they play some of the best 4-3 in the league
April 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
24,
How do you talk over someone on a message board?
You simply dont have any thoughts of your own.
I really believe you do not actually watch the games.
For you to go with Bush over Fargas is laughable and the worst part is…. You dont even know why.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Carson seems like a pretty level-headed character. He probably wants to choke some of those guys, though.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
the 4-3 depends so much on the line, thats where our failures on d have originated from the last couple of years
April 13th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Most likely trade scenario is to trade down. We could trade down the number 7 pick if there is someone someone wants in that slot. I just don’t see that we gotta have that guy there. However several teams are switching to 3/4 and if they do not move up into the 5 or 6 slot to get him they may move into the 7th to get him. A couple of teams that really want a good WR may move into the 7 slot for Crabtree as well.
Contrary to beliefs – Davis does trade down – did it with our TE in 2nd round the year before last. Someone wanted I believe a DT and we let them slide in there and we picked up a forth and slide down a few slots in the 2nd and used that 4th to trade for Mike Williams and the JM. We let the TE slide down to us.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
ETS carson is a good guy i really liked him at usc, and hes an orange county guy like me
April 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
1960 we are one of those teams that need a good wr, if crabtree is there, we are going to take him
April 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Football is a business, Mike Bush did what he was supposed to do.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
24,
You stated that Fargas avgs 3 yards a carry and is a bum. How do you explain away the fact that he avgd 4.5 ypc in 07 and 4 ypc in 08?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Thing is, how do you get in trouble in CINCINNATI, of all places?
I guess there’s trouble everywhere, but I’ve been to Cincinnati (after I took a wrong turn and ended up in Kentucky-no kidding) and it seems like the kind of place you’d have to go looking for it rather than it finding you.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Note the “him” in post 344 is BJ Raj. Raj is too much like Kelly to be a good fit for us. I think his team mate is a better pick but he is more of a 2nd round pick.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
raidersince87,
you said it.it`s the d-line.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
1960 brace would be an awesome pick for us in the second, or jurron gilbert if hes there
April 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Mike Bush is a premadonna pusc. Thats why he did what he did.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
kell,
your right.that`s why cable did what he had to do and put him on the bench
April 13th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
but we need crabtree, we would be our best receiver right away with the best hands and someone russel could develope with, then we can get rid of walker,augh! i hate even writing his name
April 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Since87,
Yep.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
29 i think we’ve had this d-line discussion b4, lol, if only al knew
April 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Raidersince87
I do not think Crabtree is the type of WR the Raiders draft – especially that high. Davis believes in raw speed a lot when it comes to CBs and WRs and Crabtree does not have it. The Raiders will pick up a slow receiver in the later rounds as a flyer but not at #7.
He may turn out to be a legitimate #1 reciever someday but with those 40 times and his measurables he better have a work ethic like Jerry Rice and be able to run perfect routes. Not sure if he has that as the Defenses of the Big 12 made every WR look like a superstar.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
dude why are you always so down is there something we should know about do you need to talk to somebody
April 13th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
can crabtree stretch the field?if he can draft him.if he can`t than you go maclin or heyward-bey.i`m starting to lean towards dhb because i could trade back and get mack.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
saying a MLB doesn’t need a good dline is like saying a QB and a RB doesn’t need a good oline
April 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
1960 thats what people were saying about fitzgerald, and he almost singlhandedly won a superbowl, a talent like crabtree is to good to pass up, and its a position of extreme need
April 13th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
15,
What am I down about? Defending Fargas who plays on the Raiders. Whats down about that? Nothing? You just thought it was a funny little quip? Oh, ok.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Since 87
I think there will be one of those two Brace or Gilbert on the Board in the 2nd but probably not both…. Maybe they can be what we hoped Sands could be. Also from reading between the lines I think Cable likes Warren better than Kelly. Will be interesting how this all plays out the the new DC. I am not sure how much of the Raiders badness was poor talent vs. poor scheme with RR.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
raidersince87 ,
al knows, i just don`t think he will do anything about it.not this year at lease.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
40 times do matter, but game film to me is more important of a players qualities, and crabtree is second to none in that area
April 13th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Blackdeath29 – I am really curious how many times the Titans blitzed last year. I don’t recall them having the most talented secondary. They seemed to be built from the ground up. Really strong Defensive Line, Solid Linebackers and ok Secondary. Schwartz really seemed to get the best out of his players. I wonder how he’ll do in Detroit. He didn’t seem like a flashy play caller. I’m not sure how he disguised his defense. I just didn’t watch enough of him but he was the D Coord for the Titans for 8 years and they were always strong.
Tampa has obviously been tough with Monte Kiffin calling plays. I guess when you look at it, we don’t vary from the Vikings, Bears, Giants and Titans in the way of playcalling but all those teams have very good defensive lines. I guess thats the biggest difference aside from playcalling.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
1960 i never liked rr, like somebody wrote earlier i think he was an undercover 3-4 man
April 13th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
24 that is the biggest difference between us and those teams, they have good to great d-lines, we dont
April 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Since 87
Fitz was a much larger target than Crabtree I thought he was a lot more proven when he came out. I remember us on this board considering him with the pick we used for Gallery. Fitz had/has decent speed for a guy with that wingspan and leaping ability and height. Crabtree is a playmaker and won the Blitincoff award twice but one WR for Oregon State won that same award a few years ago and I think he is out of the NFL already. He just was not fast enough and quick enough to get sepearation at the next level. I worry about this with Crabtree. Its like that guy from Cal Poly – Rameses – he looked great in his film but he is playing against Division II talent. The big 12 in terms of defenses was absolutely horrible last year.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
24,
2 out of the 4 starters in Tennesees secondary were in the PB. Hows that not a ” good” secondary?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
crabtree is finally out of his boot, the raiders will bring him in soon, maybe he will impress
April 13th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Dude – I could say the same thing. You don’t watch Raider games. Oh my gosh, look at me, I’m cool. Whatever man. I watch the games. I haven’t seen anything great out of Fargas. You can certainly blame the team for not being good over the course of his career but hes not versatile. He runs very hard but hes not all that elusive, hes injury prone and he can’t catch. I don’t see what is so special about him. You claim to watch the games but you can’t see that?
Bush is hyped because of what he did in college, no doubt about it. We’re talking about a guy who is fast for his size, athletic, can catch the ball, can throw the ball, great acceleration. He isn’t tough like Fargas until he gets into the open field. He shows more toughness putting his shoulder down on DB’s. He’s not exactly a great in between the tackles type of running back but he showed he can be tougher in the Tampa Bay game. Overall, I believe he has more potential than Fargas, hes younger, more versatile and he should get more carries. Period.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Dude – Again…that team built itself from the ground up. Alot of times, players in the secondary make Pro Bowls based on the success of the Defensive Line. I don’t think their secondary is any better than ours. I think they would struggle alot more on our defense because they would be exposed. I can’t deny them of their Pro Bowl but thats just my opinion.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
1960 i worry about that same thing but you just dont get that kind of production if u cant seperate, but like i said, he would definitley be an upgrade over any receiver we have now
April 13th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
24,
titans don`t blitz much.but like the giant`s if they can`t get pressure with their front four they will send people.you have to get heat on the QB if not your dead.wr and QB are too good in the nfl to allow 4 to 5 sec of time to throw.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
maclin’s time at the combine was not great but he seperated pretty good when he was in pads
April 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
crabtree will never run for anybody because he can`t crack 4.5 and might be a 4.6.larry fitzgerald ran a 4.4 at the combine.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
When the Raiders were great: Long, Pickel, Townsend. I’m just sayin I miss those days when we had a mean, physical D. That 1983 squad is the most underrated SB champ ever.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
what a concept, if your d-line doesnt get pressure on the qb blitz, hurry, someone go tell al
April 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Since 87
RR was from NE when we got him but his Dad obviously understood different sets. I remember the first thing he did was to try to take a really slow base DE Tyler Braton and make him into a 3/4 Linebacker. It was an unmitigated diaster.
As for the other post about we don’t deviate much in playcalling than the Giants on Defense – that is true but we should have!!! We have better corner backs that can recover and come on the ball quickly and can cover more 1 on 1 which frees up people to blitz. NYG have better DL that can get to the QB without a blitz os they play 7 man zones and more double teams.
A DC should always adapt his defense to the talent and composition of the team he has.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
1960… re you second paragraph in post #368…I’ve read that about Crabtree a lot, but never have I read it from a scout or from a personnel guy. Or, for that matter, from Jerry Rice. Rice watched Crabtree work out at Deion’s Prime U and gave him the seal of approval, as did Deion. I’d go with those two recommendations alone if I were drafting; if those two don’t know WR talent when they see it, nobody does.
Most scouts and personnel people figure he runs in the low to mid 4.5’s, which is plenty fast. The only people that I know of that have concerns about his speed are fans and the media. And maybe Al Davis, but remember both Rice and Timmy (post-injury) did OK here and weren’t burners at all. The last speed guy we had that was any kind of productive, remember, was Cliff Branch. That was a long time ago.
There are an awful lot of very productive NFL receivers that can’t break 4.5 seconds in the 40. Crabtree’s incredibly talented, and fast enough. He’s also tough and fiercely competetive. We could use some of that in Oakland.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Dude – I love how you ask all the questions. If you knew the answers, you wouldn’t have to ask all the time. I see your secret. You just simply don’t know the answers but we’re feeding you the information. You get an A+ for Creativity.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
You think that, Cable doesnt. Guess who wins out. Fargas isnt a good reciever, but he is a better blocker and is as fast if not faster than Bush. I have watched every game the Raiders have played since the invention of NFL ticket.
You said Tenns DBs were just OK. 2 pbers means its alot better than OK. You dont know any of the guys and had no clue they were in the pro bowl. Thats why you said that.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
maclin ran a 4.46 teams just expected a 4.3.maclin has a rare top gear that you don`t see in a 40 time.crabtree does not have that.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Raider O Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
This draft will fix all of our problems. IMO
most if not all can start from day one, and they can make an impact. We also add a WR high in the Draft to be our possesion WR, and help us on 3rd downs.
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It can solve a lot of problems, that’s for sure. I like your mock draft and we are of similiar mind. Here’s my final submission
1. B.J Raji, DT – All I hear about him is double teams are required, he’s big and a run stopper…nuff said
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE – The Raiders need a base DE and he’s the 2nd best one available in this draft. Plus he is versatile and can play UT if need be.
3. Ramses Barden, WR – Possession receiver, stands 6′6 got 4.5 speed and doesn’t cost $20 million. With Walker and Schilens the starters, Barden can be called upon in the red zone and 3rd downs. Plus Walker will be outta here after 2010.
4. Zach Follett, OLB – I would take Brinkley here and move Morrison to SLB. But by this time Brinkley will be gone. Follett can push on Brown and is a sure tackler
7. Antonio Dixon, DT, Miami – The guy would be a depth guy only and might not make it through camp. Need to push Sands et al. But he is 6′3 328, played at a big school and could have upside.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Crabtree will be rookie of the year. The Raiders should pick him.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
i still like the thought of crabtree, jlh, and schilens
April 13th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Dude – You don’t know what I know and you don’t know everything. Put your pipe down man. So you’re a big Cable fan huh?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
LOL!! OK 24. Just say you cant answer and move on.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
edward teach,
deion gave his approval on phillip buchanan.rice on j.j. stokes.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
snb looks good to me
April 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Crabtree will not be rookie of the year. He will spend half the season resting from the surgery while Walker, Higgins and Schilens try to make something out of the offense. If they fail in trying, Crabtree will play. If the 3 play well, Crabtree will sit for most of the season and its possible that Walker could be replaced by Crabtree the following season.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
What do you know 24? Do you know what I’m wearing right now?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
LOL!! What you know. You mean like Fargas and his 3 ypcs? Ok bro. LOL!!
April 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
if it`s crabtree,jlh and schilens who stretches the field?who`s the number#1
April 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Dude – You didn’t ask a question. For all I know, you went and looked at the Titans online and got whatever information you wanted. You’re so smart.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
24 i dont see that happening, walker will get hurt, probably in the first game, if not he will have 3 catches by the 4th game, either way his career is over, i dont know why he is on the roster
April 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Crabtree is already better than Walker, Higgins, and Schilens combined.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Dude – It was exagerrated but my point is…half of the time he gets 3 yards per carry and he’ll break one for 15 yards and then he’ll consistently run 3 yards per carry and break another one for 15 yards. Come on man…you don’t watch Raiders football?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
schilens #1 for now until crabtree is ready, jlh stretches the field, hey theres not alot to work with here, lol
April 13th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
24,
You know Crabtree already had surgery right? LOL
Hes in a soft walking boot and is expected to be 100% by training camp. Oh man you are possibly the most ignorant poster I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Michael Crabtree playing behing Javon Walker and Chaz Schilens?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Raidersince87 – I’m not sure if Walker’s career is over but we’ll find out this season. Hes another year away from his knee problems so this is the year we’ll know. The same could be said for Tommy Kelly. Both of them should be more productive.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
“Al Davis has plenty of young, fast WR’s to develop, what he doesn’t have is a star.”
Enter Michael Crabtree.
Just like Russell and McFadden before him, Crabtree is this draft’s biggest star and that could be enough to sway Al Davis.
Like BART Bridge Brigade said before: “One thing Al likes more than speed is highly decorated players”.
Besides, what’s wrong with a 3 WR set featuring Crabtree, Schilens and Higgins?.
-Crabtree is the physical type who goes over the middle, uses his body to shield defenders away from the ball and is the number 1 option on 3rd downs, the guy the defense has to account for.
-JLH is the guy who can take a short pass and turn it into a big gain, run a reverse, try to get him in space.
-Schilens is the long ball guy, he’s fast, he’s tall and he can jump, you send the guy downfield where he can run the past the bigger, slower CB’s and out jump the smaller, faster CB’s.
But Crabtree, or a guy like Crabtree, is the key, the attention he’s gonna get will open things up for both Schilens and Higgins.
Then there’s Zach Miller, no more double teams on every 3rd down for the big guy.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Oh, you were exagerating? OK. LOL!!!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
we should have made kelly a base end
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Dude, you can’t reason with a man who named himself after Michael Huff.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
One thing I will say is that if the Raiders pick Crabtree then all the other intangibles that were talked about and his precision in routes his catching ability etc… impressed the Raiders enough to pick him and that would be saying something because it is not there nature to pick a slower reciever out of college. The only thing that may tempt them if he is that good is it really is a need position for the Raiders right now. However if he is that good he wont get to the 5th pick let alone the 7th.
AW
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Oh no…Dude thinks I’m ignorant. He’s very technical and combs every word with a fine tooth comb. Little does he know that just because Crabtree is progressing, doesn’t mean the Raiders would throw him out there on Week 1 and risk him getting re-injured. They might baby the “past” injury the same way they babied Michael Bush. Did you know that Bush was hurt the year before he got drafted? That didn’t stop the Raiders from taking their time with him. I’m guessing the Raiders will do the same with Crabtree. Dude – You’re just trying to jump the gun because you’re desperate to win some contest.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
raidersince87,when did jlh stretch the field?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
yeah what bob said,lol (i like it)
April 13th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
maybe he could if they ever would send him deep, hey like i said , i dont have much to work with here, lol, but walker is horrible, id rather start developing somebody than rely on him
April 13th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine – If you were smart, you would have known that my original name was Wo0dSoN24 so get your facts straight. You may find some way to bash Charles Woodson. If so, be my guest.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
BalckDeath… you’re nitpicking a little, I think. Is there such a thing as a “can’t miss player”? Probably not, but when virtually everyone that evaluates players for a living is willing to say that they think Crabtree’s going to be a great NFL player and have an impact right away, well, I guess I have to give that a little more weight than someone that doesn’t have anywhere near the same level of expertise.
You wouldn’t ask a plumber to do a diagnostic on your car, and you probably wouldn’t ask your mechanic to inspect your plumbing. I’m not an expert, but I tend to listen to the people that do the NFL thing for a living and it’s not overly common for virtually all of them to have the same opinion about a guy like that.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
29 u just asked me who id stretch the field with, u never said give examples, maybe he could be that guy with the speed he has
April 13th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
like i said, u watch all the game film on crabtree, the guy produces, and to me thats would be a great indicator of how good he can be in the league
April 13th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
The draft is a gamble. I don’t care who you pick. Its always 50/50. A player is about to make the most money hes ever made. How does he accept that reality? Does he go crazy? Is he humble? Is his team good? Is he relied on to save the team or become apart of a great team? Can he sit and learn for a few years or get throw into the fire? Are his coaches good coaches or do they mesh with him? Are they the right fit system wise? Does the guy have good mentors? Is he a fast learner? There are so many variables to each player involved.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
1960AutumnWind,take this for what it`s worth.crabtree does not run precision routes.he`s in a spread offense they don`t have a route tree.that`s b.s that he is a good route runner.he`s got to learn it just like maclin.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Here’s something I really like about Michael Crabtree:
“Crabtree’s arms are an amazingly long 34 1/4 inches. That’s almost two inches longer than the Denver Broncos’ 6-4 Brandon Marshall, and almost an inch longer than Detroit’s 6-5 Calvin Johnson.”
The long arms offset his shorter than advertised height, he’s gonna play bigger than his listed size.
Al Davis looks into that kind of stuff as well, might note be the fastest but you can be sure Davis knows about his freakishly long arms.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I’m still down for trading for Boldin if Crabtree is drafted ahead of us.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
29 my boys a tech fan from texas, ive watched my share of games with him, of course he could run better routes, in the league he will learn to, but the film shows he is a good route runner
April 13th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Their is no way you go with fargas over bush , every time fargas is in the backfield the d knows fargas ain’t gonna catch the ball or break one, who cares what fargas did in 07 how many games did they win in that stretch so what. Bush is what 245 has quick feet and is good catching the ball, like j-russ wants fargas to tell him “hey don’t throw it so hard” , Bush and dmac together can be special .
April 13th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Here’s what Cable likes about Schilens: “I think his competitiveness for the football when it’s in the air. You look at a couple of the plays he’s made, some tough catches, having to get it in traffic, or having to get a high ball up in the air. Something that maybe wasn’t quite on target, he’s been able to go get those things out of the air, and the fact that he’s really starting to develop. And it shows every day at practice.”
April 13th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
There’s a word Al likes to use. The word is “dominate”. Crabtree dominated in college. Most scouts think he can do the same in the pros.
That’s all I’m saying.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
i like schilens too, he could turn out to be another marquise colston
April 13th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
edward teach,
no i am not a expert,but i live in reno and unr played crabtree,maclin and heyward-bey this year.they played maclin and crabtree back to back that`s when i started to pay attention to maclin.when i ran into unr players i asked them ,to a man they all say maclin is better.they said crabtree is legit but he is not going to beat you deep.that told me he is a number #2 wr in the nfl.if the raiders draft him with no body to stretch the field their in trouble.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
whats the 411 on arman shields
April 13th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Blackdeath
I know that the system they run is totally geared for passing and the WRs (even undrafted ones) put up big numbers in that system. The reads are often so quick there is no time to run a route. I think the Big 12’s terrible defenses also play a role in this too…. W
What I was saying is if the Raiders do pick this guy is they are seeing something in film or based on a recommendation that he has the potential to be good at this level and that would be saying something because they would be doing something against their nature.
I was also saying if he was that good – other teams would pick up on this a draft him ahead of us such as Seattle for instance.
I just think this is very unlikely that the Raiders would pick him and I think it is highly unlikley that this guy would be rookie of the year.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
maclin dominated college football the last 2 years but no one wants to give him credit.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Here’s what I would do on offense:
Michael Bush and DMAC get 95% of the carries. Period. I pound the rock 30+ times per game. The RB Coach better teach’em to pass block better. Fargas gets the other 5%.
WRs: Depth chart; Walker, Schilens, JLH….Each will get 3 to 5 catches a game and will move the chains.
Zach Miller: Sending him out on more pass routes and expect him to grab 5 a game or 80 catches. OTs gotta block. HE’s got the best chemistry with Russell
OTs: Mario or Khalif with the loser going over to RT.
I would like to run 30 to 35 times per game and throw 25 to 30 times. The offense will be balanced but not predictable. I have Russell take at least two deep strikes per quarter. Bush and DMAC, WITH NO COMPROMISES, get the ball. Also MANDATE at least 5 screens a game between the two.
Let’s go
April 13th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
If we pick Crabtree or Maclin fine. If the OT’s hold up one of those WR’s could make us into a great offense as opposed to simpley a good offense, but there is still several holes on defense that need to be fixed. We need a run plugging DT, another LB, a pass rushing DE, and a solid safety. Scott has a chance to be the DE we need, and Tyvon Branch my be the safety, but that still remains to be seen. If we could plug at least two of these holes and get at least somewhat adequit play at a couple of others the defense should at least improve.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
maclin has and i give him alot of credit, i wouldnt be mad at crabtree or maclin at the 7th
April 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Fair enough, BlackDeath, but I’ll take the word of a pro scout over a defensive back from Nevada-Reno any day.
Ramses Barden also played against UNR, and he was lights-out against them, too. Sounds like they had trouble against any WR with talent.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
i`m just saying that in the nfl if you don`t have a wr to stretch the field you can`t get it done in the passing game.all the guy`s in the nfl that play wr who are not fast ,are playing with someone that is.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
maclin 32 td’s in 28 contests, 22 of his 55 first down catches came on third downs in 08, 2776 apy in 07, 2883 apy in 08
April 13th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I think the thing that people are missing about Javon restructuring is that he is a whole lot less of a cap hit if he’s not fully recovered and doing the things they want him to do.
I’m not fully convinced he’s on the roster come opening night.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
BlackDeath… see Bob Marley, post #404.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
On defense:
Gilbert, Kelly, Raji and Burgess/Scott. I rotate heavily up and down the line. I mix the looks as well. Gilbert and Kelly can both play DE or UT….Raji can play NT or UT and both Burgess and Scott line up at the DEs on passing downs.
John Marshall has to take advantage of having TWO LOCKDOWN CORNERS! That should free up the safeties to do more run and pass blitzing. Thomas Howard has to be UNLEASHED. The man is probably the fastest linebacker in the league and he’s used as nothing more than an extra safety. Get him into the backfield more.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
crabtree 231 rep in first2 years( college record) tied for sixth in ncaa history with 41 td’s, also setting a record for most college td’s in a two year span, passing the mark set by fitzgerald
April 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
crabtree is not the wr everyone thinks he is.and trust k.c. at number three more than any scout.if they don`t take crabtree i would`nt either.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
snb, but will al buy it, im sold
April 13th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
crabtree 07 134-1962-22 biletnikoff, 08 97-1165-19 biletnikoff
April 13th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Let’s put a waiver claim on this guy and bring him to camp, see what he can he do.
WR Will Franklin 6′0 209.
He was KC’s 4th round pick last year, taken 20 spots ahead of Arman Shields.
Here’s a profile from last year prior to the Draft:
“Franklin is an under-the-radar prospect, as he wasn’t the main option in an offense that featured two of the nation’s top tight ends in Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman and saw the emergence of speedy freshman Jeremy Maclin.
Given that he wasn’t in the limelight at Mizzou, Franklin needed to take advantage of pre-draft opportunities to boost his stock, and he did.
At the combine, he ran one of the fastest 40 times, clocking in at 4.37 seconds. At Missouri’s Pro Day, Franklin showed tremendous jumping ability with a 40 1/2 inch vertical and a broad jump of 10 feet, 11 inches.
With his combination of size, speed, and athleticism, Franklin has real big-play ability and the potential to be a productive receiver in the NFL.
With his combine and Pro Day showings, Franklin’s stock has moved from likely a fourth-round pick, at best, to where there’s a good chance he’ll be taken in the third round.”
They cut him today.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
maclin 07 80-1055-9, 08 102-1260-13
April 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
fitzgerald is 6`3 and fast.crabtree is 6`1 and quick but not fast.dc`s in the nfl will not bring the safety over to help out.their will be no fear of him beating them deep.he will face press coverage because 90 percent of the corners in the league will be able to out run him.that strong safety will camp out in the box against the raiders and take away the running game.with maclin or dhb they would be scared not to provide safety help.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
crabtree catches went from 134 to 97.dc`s in the big 12 started to figure something out.that`s a 37 catch drop he also lost over 800 yards to go with that.that`s to big of a lost.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
check crabtree out,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm9gAYutAwg
April 13th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
he still scored
April 13th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
raidersince87 ,
maclin is legit and might be the better pro.i think if they both would have stayed maclin would have surpassed him as a jr.in some ways he already has.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
im out good talkin to u guys
April 13th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Will Franklin?
I wouldn’t touch him. He runs a 4.37 and was beat out by Maclin? Then he got drafted on measurables and couldn’t get on the field. Obviously this cat can’t run routes, catch ball, block, etc. K.C. cut bait quick and we shouldn’t be the fools to scoop him up before he hits the bottom.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
I think Crabtree will command safety help because he does break tackles. If we got him and he was covered 1 on 1, I would love that. First thing is he WILL catch the ball. Then he will gain YAC.
April 13th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
504
Will Franklin, bring him to camp, what do you have to lose?.
It’s not like he would be the first guy that got cut and went on to have a career elswhere, if he’s got nothing you cut him as well.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Let him fight it out with “camp wonder” Todd Watkins and Jonathan Holland for a practice squad spot.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I like Schilens and JLH, but I don’t them becoming the rock-solid, 80-90 catch, 1200-1300 yard type WR that we need, I can see Crabtree as that guy with Chaz and JLH becoming complimentary weapons.
Chaz, I like him as a deep threat because of his size, speed and jumping ability. He seems to me like a guy who won’t catch many balls but he’ll make them count, nice YPC average.
JLH, like Chaz, has big-play ability but it comes from the short passing game, quick slants, screens, reverses, he’ll see the ball more than Schilens but his best asset would be RAC yards.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
*I don’t see them becoming…
April 13th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I can see Crabtree as our #1 and Chaz #2 with JLH in the slot. Javon would probably start on day 1 but we all know that by week 3 or 4 Chaz will be in there. If Javon holds up then it’s a win/win.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Regarding Crabtree and the video game offense:
I’ve heard many GMs and coaches say they can teach guys to run the correct routes.
But you cannot teach ball skills, instincts, and long arms that break tackles.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Good discussion here tonight. For the first time in years, I have no idea who I want in Rd. 1. I blame you all.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Does anyone know when Crabtree got hurt? Was he doin all this damage on a fractured foot?
April 13th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I like my mock draft, so I will post it again.
1- Raji
2- DHB if available, if not Robiskie
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Base End for us: Clinton McDonald
7- OLB Russell Allen from SDSU, or Ty Sales from Penn.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
The pick at 7 needs to be Crabtree no matter what.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
What if he is not there?
April 13th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
I don’t know who I like better, Robiskie or Ramses B in the 2nd. If H Nicks is there, I would take him.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
This is Funny.
I’m looking at someone’s credit, and they have a collection account with KFC.
I’m thinking what bank or lender does KFC stands for, so I asked the customer. It was a bad check for some KFC chicken.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
On defense:
Gilbert, Kelly, Raji and Burgess/Scott. I rotate heavily up and down the line. I mix the looks as well. Gilbert and Kelly can both play DE or UT….Raji can play NT or UT and both Burgess and Scott line up at the DEs on passing downs.
John Marshall has to take advantage of having TWO LOCKDOWN CORNERS! That should free up the safeties to do more run and pass blitzing. Thomas Howard has to be UNLEASHED. The man is probably the fastest linebacker in the league and he’s used as nothing more than an extra safety. Get him into the backfield more.
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Huh?
Now CJ is a lockdown corner?
What happens when teams pass on 1st and 2nd down and we have zero pass rush with Kelly or Gilbert at DE.
You won’t find too many 4-3 linebackers who have good sack numbers, which is why I’ve backed off wanting Curry.
I don’t like that Dline at all as it is the opposite of what we have now in that it is too run defense oriented. We need more balance on the Dline.
And again I say how can we live with a DE leading our team with 5 sacks? We need to address the pass rush in a major way so we can get off the field on 3rd down.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
O,
Your mock does nothing for our glaring issues of pass rush, 3rd down defense, or scoring offense.
DHB will not be there in rd 2, and a rd 2 WR is no better than JLH, Shields, or Schillens.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Good post#89 Nnamdi21, I read all the same negative stuff about T Brayton who’s starting for the Panthers.
Who ever plays for us can’t play for any other NFL team, until they do…
Sands is not our problem K Edwards and the young DE’s were more the problem and hopefully J Richardson is more consistent. Most RB’s bounced to the outside to get big yardage. Warren also played much better than anyone in here gives him credit.
Too many times I read the stats of the WR’s fromlast year and any fool would know they were’nt good with this passing game. The blame is can be spread throughout the team. Our heavy reliance on the run game and the young dvelping QB are the reasons for those as much as the WR’s.
These young WR’s Rb’s and QB are all developing.AS Shields, Schilens, JLH and Watkins continue to grow so will the #’s and the stars or #1’s as you guy’s like to call them will develope from among them.
So you can draft a supposed #1 and HOPE he delivers or you can take a good look at what you have and add to it. In among them are stars in the rough but fans are fans thye can’t see it.
I read in here where someone said Andre Smith was a risk……..well, news flash all rookies are risk. The only known commodities are the ones on your team.
IMO this is a very talented but young and yet undeveloped team. This year will clarify a lot. Other Crabtree I wauldn’t draft another WR in the 1st rnd. Not when the DE’s and LBers and much more plentiful and talented as well as the OLine.
Just glad that none of you has a say in what we’ll really do………don’t take it personal. At least not all of you.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
edward teach Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
There’s a word Al likes to use. The word is “dominate”.
…………..
Me too. I like that word, too. “dominate”. So, give me an NFL franchise.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
So that you can do what? you can barely spell player.
Is the ball blown up or stuffed?
If you hire Gruden any amount of money wont get him to sleep with you.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Not only does Al Davis like the word dominate, he likes to dominate. He’s dominated 24 times…in the past 96 tries. Don’t mess with the dominator….
April 13th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
You’re right. I can barely spell player. But I do like the word dominate. Doesn’t that qualify me to own an NFL franchise?
April 13th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
There’s a word I like to use. The word is “dominate”.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
At least he’s in the HOF, so you taking the last 6years of his career wont change that. What’s his career meant to the NFL and the Raiders?
And measure that to your miserable existence.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I thought so…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Mornings…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:50 am
I like Loadholt as a RT but we will need to take him in the 2nd. If last year’s pattern is repeated, OTs will be moving up the Boards on draft day and I can see possibly 6 being taken in the 1st (J.Smith, Monroe, Oher, A.Smith, Britton & Beatty) and perhaps another 5 in the 2nd (Meredith, Loadholt, Cadogan, Kropog and Tupou).
Either way – it looks like a WR and an OT in the first two rounds. The question is which way round?
Option 1: Crabtree or Heyward-Bey or Maclin – plus Meredith or Loadholt.
Option 2: Andre Smith or Oher – plus Britt or Nicks or Robiskie or Iglesias
April 14th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Anyone seen this Zach Follett guy? LB out of Cal? He’s a mean dude… looks like the next Urlacher I’m likin him in the fourth that’s for sure
April 14th, 2009 at 4:56 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 4:58 am
WOOOW I know you guys can hear this thunder in florida through my lap-top.L-O-U-D =)
April 14th, 2009 at 5:08 am
NnamdiShutsDown Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Anyone seen this Zach Follett guy? LB out of Cal? He’s a mean dude… looks like the next Urlacher I’m likin him in the fourth that’s for sure
Wonder if we could get Follett&Mack???
April 14th, 2009 at 5:16 am
priesttj Says:
April 13th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
So that you can do what? you can barely spell player.
Is the ball blown up or stuffed?
If you hire Gruden any amount of money wont get him to sleep with you.
This dude needs to say 9 Our Father’s and 7 Hail Mary’s and ask forgiveness from all the posters and Jerry before he is allowed back on this blog
What a jerk 
April 14th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Priest… I think you are spot on. Some folks in here were posting clips of our run defense and saying, “look how terrible our DTs are!”. I watched those clips and I saw the same thing you did; the DEs were by and large the problem in the run game, with the linebackers failing to fill gaps. Opposing backs were bouncing outside for those big yards after not finding the holes they were looking for up the middle. I also don’t know why Warren gets such a bad rap; I thought he played pretty well last year.
I agree with you about the WR position as well; Crabtree is the only receiver that’s worth the 7th overall pick. I just hope he’s there; he could bring so much to our passing game, not only with his own production, but with him on the field and having to be accounted for the other guys (including Zach Miller) would benefit tremendously.
I just don’t see a DE out there that is worth the #7 overall, and I don’t think Al will spend that pick on a DT that will most likely be a rotational player. If one of the top OTs falls to our spot it will be a tough decision, but for me there’s guys that could be had later that could do just fine. Crabtree has to be the pick if he’s there.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:38 am
What’s up fellas .
April 14th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Not that it means anything but In this last SportingNews they have pictures of the high draft prospects and the one of Raji he looks really short almost BushwickBill like I was damn.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Missed you guys yesterday. With people out sick (still) and everything thrown at me, I really had no time yesterday. But anyways…
Morning AM crew…Rockstar, 4eva, LMN, NMF, Dirt Lot…
April 14th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Mr Teach – spot on!
I have been saying for months that it is wrong to blame all our troubles against the run on our DTs. Kelly, Warren, Sands and Joseph are all capable of improvement and consistency but they are not the entire problem. Apart from Richardson, all our DEs are weak against the run. Burgess and Scott are pass-rushers but they aren’t run-stuffers. I also agree that our LBs are not aggressive enough in filling the gaps. Morrison is NOT a natural MLB. Howard is supreme in pass coverage but against RBs. Neither Brown, Williams or Alston are good enough to start regularly.
We need to find/draft another big, sure tackling DE. We need to move Morrison to strongside and find/draft a natural MLB.
Drafting another DT won’t solve the problem. Stopping the run is a team responsibility.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:54 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,4EVA ,HWNDR,NOMOREFARGAS,WHERE IS L M N ? DID HE GET TRADED ?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:04 am
That is funny, Dirt Lot…thanks for the morning laugh, i needed that!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Meet Jamon Meredith.
OK, let’s assume for a minute the Raiders won’t draft an offensive tackle with the No. 7 overall pick of the draft.
They still need to draft one, and a very good one at that. Khalif Barnes is just a one-year fix (contract-wise)and, though he’s clearly better than Kwame Harris, there’s no telling if he’s truly the answer. Mario Henderson has improved, but again, he has a ways to go. Cornell Green’s time has passed and Erik Pears is too much an unknown.
The zone-blocking scheme doesn’t require teams to draft the very best offensive linemen on the board, though Raiders coach Tom Cable has said elite linemen are elite in just about any system. The trick is to find players who are agile enough to run block and strong enough to pass protect.
Look at the Broncos. Last year, they took tackle Ryan Clady with the No. 12 overall pick. But before that, the ZBS team took an offensive lineman in the first round just once in 12 years.
A good ZBS fit is often found among the lesser known prospects — and any offensive tackle drafted outside the first round is going to be lesser known. We caught up with one offensive lineman who fits that bill, with two national mock drafts pegging him as a future-Raider.
Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina: At 6-foot-4, 304 pounds, Meredith has the ideal agility and athleticism to play in the ZBS. He started at both tackles in college and is technically sound in pass protection.
Best of all, he played in the ZBS system at South Carolina.
“I think I fit well in the system,” said Meredith, who interviewed with the Raiders at the NFL Combine and visited team headquarters Thursday. “I’m definitely good at getting up on the linebackers.”
Meredith likes the idea of playing for Raiders coach Tom Cable, if only because he’s an offensive line coach by trade.
“It’s definitely a positive because he understands the position and appreciates it a little more, where maybe a defensive coach doesn’t care a thing about the offensive line.”
Meredith has a visit scheduled with the Browns and met with the Patriots at his Pro Day workout. He’s expected to be drafted in one of the middle rounds. His 5.03-time in the 40 was second-best for offensive linemen at the Combine.
We all know Al Davis likes speed, even among the big boys. If Meredith isn’t his mid-round choice, someone like him will be.
Meredith spent his Oakland visit getting to know new Raiders offensive line coach Jim Michalczik. It was strictly an interview with no private workout.
“I think it went well,” Meredith said by phone Monday. “They said I fit in their blocking scheme. They’ve had a couple down years but they’re trying to rebuild around a lot of young guys, so we’ll see.”
Speaking of left tackles …
Oklahoma left tackle Phil Loadholt is visiting the Raiders today, according to his agency.
At 6-foot-8, 332 pounds, he’s on the bigger size as far as the ZBS goes, but Davis did say he wants more power added.
(UPDATE NO. 1: a flight delay pushed back Loadholt’s visit until Tuesday, the same day coach Tom Cable will hold a predraft press conference.)
(UPDATE NO. 2: Raiders free safety Hiram Eugene signed his one-year, $1.01 million restricted free agent tender, per the transactions page on the team website. He won the starting job from Michael Huff during last season.
In other notes …
** Missed a lot during last week’s vacation in Selma, where I had too much Sal’s mexican food and plenty of Fresno State baseball and backyard bbq.
Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin had a private workout with the Raiders, according to Scout.com, as did Maryland receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, according to NFL.com.
Other draft prospects the Raiders are reportedly looking into include Cal linebacker Zach Follett (private workout, per Scout.com), Wake Forest safety Chip Vaughn (April 14 visit, per Scout.com), Ohio safety Michael Mitchell (April 16 visit, per Scout.com) and Texas A&M Stephen McGee (visit, per his own words on Sporting News Radio).
The McGee visit jumps out for one reason, and not because they’ve given up on JaMarcus Russell. But, if they plan to use one of five draft picks on a quarterback, it looks like they’re done with former quarterback of the future Andrew Walter for good. Jeff Garcia is a one-year deal and Walter is in the last year of his contract so the Raiders could be looking for a new backup to develop.
Another name I heard to watch out for in the latter rounds: Penn State guard/tackle Gerald Cadogan, who has the ideal size, speed and versatility for the ZBS. He’s a bit of a project, as was Mario Henderson, and Cable isn’t one to shy away from challenges. He’s one of those coaches that likes to put his stamp on players.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
April 14th, 2009 at 6:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Meet Jamon Meredith.
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Mornin nation!!!!
This guy played DE in highschool, this is what we need a mean streak on our o-line ive been preachin this dude (not that DUDE) for days!!!!
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April 14th, 2009 at 6:08 am
welcome back Hwnrdr!
hope you had a great Easter …
good morning Dirt Lot, 4eva, NMF, Ed Teach, happy troll
whats up Scottish?
April 14th, 2009 at 6:10 am
good morning OAKlifer …
I thought Dude (the poster) got traded to IHOP for a short stack?
Jamon Meredith is a beast!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I saw just as many up the gut running plays that go for 6-7 yards on 1st down.Never mind Burgess running 10 yds up field.If we were able I would scrap the whole lot of ‘em.That was THEE worst D-line play da Raiders EVER put on the field,imo.But we cant so who do you put on the trade block.Maybe playing for Robbo 4 a few years will give players like Sands will be a plus in their favor,we need all the help we can get on D-line.Also I’ve seen our Defense be on the field all game long and never look winded,but this group is not up 2 the task.I thinl we got a new S&C coach,so lets hope they push ‘em like there’s no tommorrow
April 14th, 2009 at 6:12 am
edward teach Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Priest… I think you are spot on.
L-A-M-B-E
April 14th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Easter was alright. Made a good egg salad sandwhich with all of the eggs!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:13 am
GOOD POST ROCKSTAR,AS USUAL, THANKS 4 THE INFO.GOOD MORNING BY THE WAY… NASTY WEATHER IN FLA, THIS MORNING 4EVA ? LITTLE THUNDER / LIGHTNING..GOING ON.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:19 am
I would be happy with either Meredith or Loadholt – although Meredith may have more upside. Loadholt has more SIZE!
But both will go by the middle of the 2nd round. Neither will be there by the time we draft in the 3rd. If Al and Cable want one of these guys they will have to use the No40 pick or trade down from No7.
Which would leave us looking at one of the Strong Safeties in the 3rd.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:20 am
And thankx 4 ALL the info RaiderRockstar!!! =)
April 14th, 2009 at 6:21 am
and some tornadoes Dirt-Lot,and it supposed 2 all day.Weed really need the rain tho =)
April 14th, 2009 at 6:22 am
weed lol
April 14th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Thunder, lightning, and tornadoes? Ouch! Hopefully you guys stay safe over there, 4eva!
…and as usual, I agree…thanks for all the info, Rockstar!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:25 am
EVERY BODY NEED.S WEED 4EVA…..LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 6:25 am
I tell ya,I’m almost ready 2 change my moniker 2 NoMoreSands LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Oh my!!! I misspelled toRnadoes and didnt know thamkx Hwnrdr,as you can see I have a good morning BUZZ 4 this killer storm!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:29 am
TOMATOES WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Made a good egg salad sandwhich with all of the eggs!!!
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I feel sorry for the people you work with. yikes!
I know if I eat eggs and drop a gas bomb it will vacate the entire building
April 14th, 2009 at 6:35 am
I see lot of people defending the DT but youre right the DL has a whole sucked If kelly stinks this year no excuses or will some say it take 2 yrs to come back from knee surgery .
April 14th, 2009 at 6:38 am
I tell ya,I’m almost ready 2 change my moniker 2 NoMoreSands LOL
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yes. and I’ll change mine to NoMoreWalker
April 14th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I try to be discreet Rockstar…jey word; try…
4eva, I thought about getting a buzz this morning, but it wouldn’t have worked well with my boss, I don’t think…LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Which would leave us looking at one of the Strong Safeties in the 3rd.
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awesome. We could get the best available SS in the draft at #40 and you know how high DB’s are on Al Davis’ priority list
I’d rather wait until Round 3 or 4 to draft a SS.
Add a dynamic WR like Crabs in Round 1, Solidify the o-line in Round 2 and get a run stuffer DT (NT) like Sammie Lee Hill in Round 3
April 14th, 2009 at 6:42 am
i THINK YOU ARE ON 2 SOMETHING nmf =)
April 14th, 2009 at 6:43 am
dam caps-lock, I mean NMF
April 14th, 2009 at 6:44 am
ROCKSTAR, DO U SEE ANY SIMULARITY’S BETWEEN THE D-LINEMAN FROM BOSTON COLLAGE IN THIS DRAFT, AND WARREN SAPP, IF I REMEMBER, SAPP HAD SOME ISSUES GOING INTO HIS DRAFT THAT MAY HAVE DROPED HIM A FEW SPOT’S. I HAVE NOT WATCHED THIS GUY THAT MUCH..
April 14th, 2009 at 6:45 am
n ever know till ya try Hwnrdr =)
April 14th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Warren Sapp was a superstar at Miami and although he dropped in the draft everybody knew he would be good, don’t know if I feel the same about the bc guys.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Dirt Lot: I’m sure S&B will correct me on this, because he’s done more research than me on BJ Raji.
Ron Brace is the NT at Boston College and BJ Raji is the UT. Raji is the guy to penetrate and get into the backfield to harrass the QB (like Warren Sapp). We paid Tommy Kelly the big bucks to be that type of player. Some may argue that Kelly should move back to DE, but we all know that Al Davis won’t do that.
Brace is a big ugly. He doesn’t get the hype and credit that Raji does because he doesn’t have the glamourous numbers. What he does is occupy OL and dominate them. He makes it possible for Raji to do what he does. Scouts are saying that Raji is big & strong enough to play NT in the NFL, but i’m not convinced. Can he do for someone else what Ron Brace did for him? Ron Brace would make Tommy Kelly a better player. Too bad he won’t be there in Round 2 unless we trade up 6 or 7 spots for him …
April 14th, 2009 at 6:58 am
4eva follet went to high school near me and kid was a beast in high school and hard worker would love to have him in Silver&Black !
GO RAIDERS!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:02 am
NMF: a lot of scouts are saying thet Follet is better suited for the 3-4 defense. thats where he played last season and excelled …
April 14th, 2009 at 7:04 am
BC ran a 2 NT line. Raji was getting double teamed not Brace.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Rockstar, it would be a good draft if we were able to pick up a starting SS in the 3rd. Nic Harris and Chip Vaughn could both be available.
Not sure about a DT in the 4th. Perhaps a run-stuffing DE – like Mitch King or the very under-rated Kyle Moore. Another thought would be another TE – this is a deep draft in TEs and we need a decent second-string. Someone like Davon Drew from E Carolina, who is a good blocker and can catch.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:08 am
BC ran a 2 NT line. Raji was getting double teamed not Brace.
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HB: thanks for clearing that up …
April 14th, 2009 at 7:09 am
That’s true, 4eva.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Wonder why Mr. Davis Hasn’t pulled the trigger on bring in big name DT’s Via trade or FA….”Lions trade defensive tackle Cory Redding to Seattle for linebacker Julian Peterson”
Not saying redding is the best or anything but with guys like this available why dont we make a move… I know we are not one DE away from the Superbowl but come on lets look at the reddings, roberstons, PEPPERS, Rodgers, tank johnsons corey willaiams again not saying we need all or any of thesde young men but we do need to start lookin at other options……
line for ‘09
April 14th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Wonder why Mr. Davis Hasn’t pulled the trigger on bring in big name DT’s Via trade or FA
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OAKlifer: besides Haynesworth there weren’t any good DT’s on the market and i’m glad Davis didn’t up the Redskins offer for fat albert. we don’t have much to offer in terms of guys with trade value, so we’d have to trade draft picks instead. That’s how we got Satele & Hall and why we only have 5 draft picks in this draft to begin with!
I think Huff & Bush can contribute if given the opportunity this season.
I wish somebody would trade for Burgess and/or Walter!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Fun Fact on B.J. Raji-Ron Brace….
2007 Season B.C. (without Raji, just Brace) allowed 75.5 rushing yards.
2008 Season B.C. (with Raji back next to Brace) allowed 91.2 rushing yards.
May not mean much, but still something to think about.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Its no mystery why Davis hasnt gone for a FA DT and why he wont draft one in rd 1. Kelly and Sands are his guys and are on the famous Al Davis scholarship program. He prides himself on unearthing diamonds in the rough and fully believes these guys are just that. End of story.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:23 am
I saw just as many up the gut running plays that go for 6-7 yards on 1st down.
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Only time that EVER happened was when we were dumb enough to have Fred Wakefield on the field at DT. Except for the Atlanta game, you just did not see teams running it down our throats. Tell me a game and I’ll go check it out.
And how many sacks did our stellar situational pass rushers get last year?
And WTF do we even have “situational” guys anyway?!?!?!
Can we get TWO DEs that can play every down? Is that too much to ask? We don’t have one guy who can play everydown at DE.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Just becaue I love this about Crabtree…
Repost:
“Crabtree’s arms are an amazingly long 34 1/4 inches. That’s almost two inches longer than the Denver Broncos’ 6-4 Brandon Marshall, and almost an inch longer than Detroit’s 6-5 Calvin Johnson.”
The long arms offset his shorter than advertised height, he’s gonna play bigger than his listed size.
This will help Crabtree beat press coverage, break tackles and allow him to reach out and just snatch balls out of the air, kinda like Fitzgerald.
Al Davis looks into that kind of stuff as well, might not be the fastest but you can be sure Davis knows about his freakishly long arms.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Sands is in his 9th year.gethimouttahere
April 14th, 2009 at 7:25 am
yes. and I’ll change mine to NoMoreWalker
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Cmon RRS …
Walker will be a solid #4 WR.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:26 am
I predict:
Detroit – Stafford
St. Louis – J. Smith
KC – E. Monrow (wont pick Curry)
Seattle – Sanchez (wont pick Curry)
Cleveland – Crabtree (will trade Edwards to the Raiders for a 2011 2nd rounder)
Cincy – Orakpo
Raiders – Curry
Trade up to get DHB, grab Brace in the 3rd, Loadholt in the 4th
The key is the Seattle pick. They could trade down if someone really likes Curry, but if Curry, Orakpo and Crabtree make it past Seattle, I’m happy with any one of these guys. (Curry can play strong side, right?)
April 14th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Add a dynamic WR like Crabs in Round 1, Solidify the o-line in Round 2 and get a run stuffer DT (NT) like Sammie Lee Hill in Round 3
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No DE upgrades in the first 3 rds?
Shocking!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Tyler Thigpen ran up our gut the whole game
April 14th, 2009 at 7:28 am
and hes only a QB
April 14th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Jhill: are you guys engaged in a DE vs. DT debate now?
thats an interesting, but challenging one.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:30 am
when you’re 31st in the league,every team we played ran the ball down our throats
April 14th, 2009 at 7:31 am
HB: thanks for clearing that up …
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lol …. ahhhhhhhhhhh
April 14th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Trade up to get DHB, grab Brace in the 3rd, Loadholt in the 4th
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LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Not saying redding is the best or anything but with guys like this available why dont we make a move…
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maybe becasue our DTs are not viewed as a problem by the coaches and AD?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 am
With the draft just 10 days away (okay maybe 11), what will Big Al do? If we don’t get help for Russell, whether it be OL or WR, I may be drinking that early in the morning…
Ryan…if Curry falls to us at #7 like your scenario, that will be my exception to the rule!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Duder,
You can polish a “turd” and maybe maybe it wouldnt stink, but if dumping RR ” not to be confused eith our own Double R” isnt polish enough I say FLUSH!!! I say we need to add some camp fodder or bodys that could produce to start pressing our BIGS on the D-line just like we did on the other side of the ball!!!
I’m glad we didnt pay for fat alber either “not going to produce those type of contract numbers in D.C.” But What if we Drafted crabbs this year and maybe some line help….. then we would win a few more games.. no? In turn would net us a higher pick next year so I say Lets look at next years number one and one of our Journeymen DE’s along with some garbage..i.e huff/ extra late round picks to try and land peppers…then we get help at WR OL DL and possibly win the division just remember 8-8 wone it last year and we were in acouple of close games we could of won…with just a little extra help!!
line for ‘09
April 14th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I think Huff & Bush can contribute if given the opportunity this season.
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Huff may have lost his starting FS job last year, but he was on the field a lot. Robo had him playing a lot of rover last year. I’m anxious to see how the Huff situation plays itself out. He should be able to beat Eugene out with no problem. Interestingly enough, I thought Baker played better than Eugene.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:38 am
No DE upgrades in the first 3 rds?
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Jhill: we have young talent on the roster at DE. Richardson, Gunheim, Gray & Scott all have potential. I’d like to see what they can do in a defense that doesn’t belong to Rob Ryan.
Sands stunk in KC & Green Bay. Joseph stunk in New York. Warren stunk in Cleveland & Denver. Boschetti stunk in Washington. Kelly hasn’t proved anything to justify his contract in Oakland.
Most of the DT’s were garbage BEFORE Rob Ryan got a hold of them. now that’s scary!
We need a SS to compete with Branch. We need a #1 WR. We need a dominant tackle to protect Russell and open running lanes for DMC/Bush …
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 am
You hit it on the nose there, JHill.
Rockstar, I understan your 3rd and 4th, but you really want DHB? I don’t know, haven’t heard too much about him. You think that he will go higher than 7?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 am
maybe becasue our DTs are not viewed as a problem by the coaches and AD?
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Thats why ryan got canned and dnt be fooled Mr. Davis will not sit by and watch our defense work like a sive much longer mark my words….
LINE for ‘09
April 14th, 2009 at 7:40 am
have you guys seen this???
RAIDERS TEAM STATISTICS
Total First Downs 225
First Downs (Rushing-passing-by penalty) 87 – 123 – 15
Third Down Conversions 61/214
Fourth Down Conversions 9/21
Total Gross Offensive Yards 4356
Offense (Plays-Average Yards) 919 – 4.7
Total Rushing Yards 1987
Rushing (Plays-Average Yards) 459 – 4.3
Total Gross Passing Yards 2369
Passing (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 222 – 421 – 11 – 6.3
Sacks 32
Field Goals 24/30
Touchdowns 27
(Rushing-Passing-Returns-Defensive) 9 – 13 – 5 – 0
Time of Possession 28:31
April 14th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Its no mystery why Davis hasnt gone for a FA DT and why he wont draft one in rd 1. Kelly and Sands are his guys and are on the famous Al Davis scholarship program. He prides himself on unearthing diamonds in the rough and fully believes these guys are just that. End of story.
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Gotta agree with most of this. Although I wouldn’t put them in the same class as a Sam Williams scholarship. More of a Fargas or Zack Crockett, lol!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:42 am
However, I don’t know how Cleveland could pass on Curry. So, in that case, Crabtree falls to 7 and the Raiders don’t trade for Edwards. (They wouldn’t anyway if the Raiders traded up for DHB).
April 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
man only 61 of 214 3rd down conversions made.Well that is a good argument against the offense.Could be said thats WHY the defense ranked 31st vs the run
April 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I predict:
Detroit – Stafford
St. Louis – J. Smith
KC – E. Monrow (wont pick Curry)
Seattle – Sanchez (wont pick Curry)
Cleveland – Crabtree (will trade Edwards to the Raiders for a 2011 2nd rounder)
Cincy – Orakpo
Raiders – Curry
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That could very well happen.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:44 am
But I could easily see Seattle taking Curry since the traded Peterson.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Hey, I agree the DTs blow, but they are Al’s pet projects so they get amnesty.
Comedy defined- Anyone who actually believes a change at the figurehead position of Defensive Coordinator will bring change to the actual defensive performance.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Tyler Thigpen ran up our gut the whole game
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A QB scrambling for positive yardage out of a busted pass play is the first thing you can come up with to defend you argument for a DT?
Once again the LBs have no accountabilty with some of you.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Seattle will take Curry if hes there. 100% chance.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Curry would be the only player that I would be happy with if the Raiders do not go OT, given most circumstances.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:48 am
With all the $ Seattle has in Lofa and Hill, I don’t think they will put #4 overall $ on another LB. They would have kept Peterson if that was the case.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Yes we are 31st against the run…unfortunately, according to Mayock and company, this is the worst DT draft in years.
I hope the Raiders go with the flow of the draft and choose other positions of need, like T, DE and LB at the top of the draft and then reach for some NT in round 3 instead of reaching for a DT in round 1 or 2.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Yeah, JHill. That game made me sick, especially after watching how we literally destroyed Denver the week before. Everyone should have been held accountable for that. Even the waterboy or the kid that runs after the tea after kick off seen that one. Not only did our D disappeared, but so did the offense. Oops, forgot…special teams too because Lechler did that…ummm don’t want to be reminded! Sorry!
April 14th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Jhill: are you guys engaged in a DE vs. DT debate now?
thats an interesting, but challenging one.
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It’s as clear to me as the issues we had last season on offense at OT and WR. It’s right there in front of us. How many sacks did we produce on 3rd down last year? Who was our sack leader, and how many did they have? Unacceptable, right?
Where are all the folks who wanted Gholston or Long last year? Where are all the folks who said Hall wouldn’t matter b/c we had no pass rush. We are worse off this year than we were last summer at DE, so it is crystal clear to me what we need, moreso than DT.
Again I will say pick any game, and we can look at how many times we were not able to get off the field on 3 and 5 or longer, and how many times teams subsequently scored. QBs have all day to sit back there and pick out targets.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Peterson was really bad last year and did not come close to earning the money he was paid. Curry is the number 2 guy on their board and at 4 they wont pass on him. At least thats what John Clayton, who hails from the Seattle area, is saying.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
If we draft a WR in round 1 and a S in round 2, we will be fuked for the next three seasons. We can no longer afford to approach the lines by just throwing junk at them and hoping guys like Shaw, Turd, that NY Giant loser, Barnes, Harris can win us games, it just aint happening.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Rockstar,
re post 517 – “…but we all know that Al Davis won’t do that.”
lotta things been happening during this off-season for the Raiders that have been different from years previous. Who’s to say anymore?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:56 am
we have young talent on the roster at DE. Richardson, Gunheim, Gray & Scott all have potential. I’d like to see what they can do
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But you don’t want to wait and see what JLH, Schillens, and Shields can do?
Just sayin’
April 14th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Those DEs are not considered “young talent” by anyone whos not a Raider fan. Guys go undrafted or are drafted late for a reason.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Once again the LBs have no accountabilty with some of you
We have no MLB,if we did we prolly wouldnt be ranked 31st vs run
April 14th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Comedy defined- Anyone who actually believes a change at the figurehead position of Defensive Coordinator will bring change to the actual defensive performance.
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Bro if your kinda slow and I put u up against a pretty fast guy you will be over matched and out of postion that is a simple way to put it…here it is in football terms we brought in one of the better zone cover guys in the league awhile back “OUR COACHES” thought hmmm maybe if we play more man an press we will dominate..Hence the first mondaynite slaughter.. now not saying above mentioned player is great but im saying with proper coaching I.E “being in the righ place at the right time” and gameplanning you are better set up to succseed.
Insanity Defined-doing the same thing over and over and ecpecting different results…..
It was time for a change and we will be better for it!!!
LINE for ‘09
April 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
You missed my point lifer. Al Davis is the d-coordinator in hiding. Untill he wants a change there wont be one.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Good morning people,..big day today,..no not the lame schedule release, as if anyone gives a crap,..but today litigation begins with the league and Comcast,…only about two weeks to settle their squabble,…my guess is it will leave Comcast until week of Thanksgiving,..nobody really watches Total Access anymore,..all that show is is that tool Eisen and 3 or 4 jive aasss ex players shuckin and jivin while Eisen tries to play the part of the feminine white guy that never played sports but is somehow an expert…actually, I hope Comcast loses the nfl net forever,..Eisen makes me sick.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 am
M Lonetree Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Rockstar,
re post 517 – “…but we all know that Al Davis won’t do that.”
lotta things been happening during this off-season for the Raiders that have been different from years previous. Who’s to say anymore?
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I Agree strongly the Autumn wind is changing….
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Rockstar, I understan your 3rd and 4th, but you really want DHB? I don’t know, haven’t heard too much about him. You think that he will go higher than 7?
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Hwnrdr: I don’t want DHB in Round 1 or Round 2. He’s nothing more than a project WR.
The only reason people connect him with Al Davis is because of his size/speed.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 am
4eva you’re right on we have stunk against the run for too long, of course the bad offense hurts but I saw lots of teams running it down are throat during the 1&2 qts last year. Morrison is great against the pass but lacking vs the run moving him to olb and getting a bigger guy 260+ would help.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Sands stunk in KC & Green Bay. Joseph stunk in New York. Warren stunk in Cleveland & Denver. Boschetti stunk in Washington. Kelly hasn’t proved anything to justify his contract in Oakland.
Most of the DT’s were garbage BEFORE Rob Ryan got a hold of them. now that’s scary!
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But they have played decent here. Once again I say lets go to the play by play review of anygame you want and you will see that our 1st and 2nd down defense was more than adequate, even with Robo.
I mean think about it, the main complaint about our defense was bad tackling and bad playcalling, right? And ususally we were talking 3rd down, wondering why Robo didn’t blitz.
What do our DTs have to do with any of that?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Lifer,
What exactly makes you believe anything is changing?
The last calendar year in Oakland has been one of the most dysfunctional years in Raider history.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
We need a SS to compete with Branch. We need a #1 WR. We need a dominant tackle to protect Russell and open running lanes for DMC/Bush
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Agree with all of that!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Man alot of you guys are going to be crying in your cheerios when Fargas is starting next year. LOL. Its funny how most of you just flat dismiss the guy and pretend he doesnt exist. Next year will be no different than last. Bush will get his carries, no doubt, but in a back up role in Oakland or somewhere else.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:12 am
But you don’t want to wait and see what JLH, Schillens, and Shields can do?
Just sayin’
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Jhill: I think there is potential in our current WR corps. I just don’t see a #1 WR in the bunch. Russell needs a go to guy. That’s part of his development. He’s the face of the franchise and he needs better options at WR. If we’re going to win now we need a dynamic WR like Crabtree (possibly Maclin too).
Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Watkins, Holland are role players & depth. none of them are stars.
I think the DE’s can change more under Marshall/Board than the WR’s can change under Tollner/Lal … Tollner doesn’t have the greatest track record and Lal has no experience. This doesn’t bode well for young project WR’s that still need to be developed – especially when their vet mentor is Javon Walker.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:13 am
# Dude Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Those DEs are not considered “young talent” by anyone whos not a Raider fan. Guys go undrafted or are drafted late for a reason.
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James Harrison, the defensive MVP of the NFL was undrafted. Oh and I think he was the Super Bowl MVP in last years Super Bowl. If he wasn’t he should have been.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Duder,
Sorry bro good point…Always thought him to be more of an Offensive Coordinator.. but interesting take…
And I know sapp is fat and not credible at all but he was there and I’m pretty sure none of us has been closer…. And he went on record saying Mr. Davis would call down and run the passing game thro the booth… Never heard him say anything about the D being ran by Mr. Davis.. But do I think RR was a tool and a puppet and a extension of Mr. Davis’s oxygen tank yes…. do i think the same of Mr. Marshal…NO
April 14th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Dude Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Lifer,
What exactly makes you believe anything is changing?
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The Raiders were 3-3 in their last 6 winning their last two in a row. They had not won two games in December since the 2002 season. You would have to be a complete grade A moron to NOT believe things are changing.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 am
man only 61 of 214 3rd down conversions made.Well that is a good argument against the offense.Could be said thats WHY the defense ranked 31st vs the run
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Now you’re on target, my man!
Think about how many more opportunities our opponents had because we couldn’t stay on the field? How many yards are cut off our run defense’s avg if we have a few more 5 minute drives in each game instead of the 3 and outs, or 5 plays and out?
How about if we can cut a few more of their drives short by 2 or 3 minutes by getting off the field on 3rd down? How many yds would that cut of our run defense?
It’s not just about the DTs folks! That would just too easy. Our team is not that good.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Raji will be the pick when we choose at 7,…you heard it from me and you all know Im never wrong….if they take a wr it will be in later rounds and also after draft they will sign a bunch of undrafted and hopefully get lucky with one.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:17 am
I mean think about it, the main complaint about our defense was bad tackling and bad playcalling, right? And ususally we were talking 3rd down, wondering why Robo didn’t blitz.
What do our DTs have to do with any of that?
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Jhill: good points. I’m not saying all the DT’s will be garbage under John Marshall. I think he’ll get better production from the defense as a whole than Rob Ryan did. Giving them a chance under a new DC is fine with me. Same goes for the DE’s though
DE & DT are equal on the priority list imo
April 14th, 2009 at 8:19 am
100% chance.
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M,
Isn’t there a word for this?
Oxymoron or something like that?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Let me know when ANY of the Raider guys win a MVP award of any kind.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I think the nfl net producers sought out the most feminie white guy they could snag from espn, and theres alot there, to become total access host,..then surround him with jive aasss ex players,..when said ex players are away from Eisen Im sure they cannot help from making fun of him,…hes a major embarrassment.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Gannon was a Raider,…sadly our last player worth a fig.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:22 am
100% chance. Yeah, I had to take a long look at that after it posted. I dont believe 100% leaves any room for “chance”. Shoulda put 100% certainty.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
OakLifer,
addendum to the end of post 568.
There are nearly as many forms of insanity as there are people on this Earth. Persons just feel better about themselves when they call their own personal insanity, “reality”.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:24 am
You’re being very UnDude.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Those DEs are not considered “young talent” by anyone whos not a Raider fan. Guys go undrafted or are drafted late for a reason.
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lol, right!
I do like Scott as a situational pass rusher, but again I renew my cry for 2 DEs who can play every down.
Is there another team in the league how uses “situational” pass rushers at DE? Isn’t that just a fancy word for backup?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Dude: why are you always so negative?
how many games do you think the Raiders will win next year? Let me guess. 4 or 5?
I’d swear you are MR’s little brother or cousin
go pay a visit to norco bob. he’ll give ya something to relax and ease the pain
April 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
JHill,
there is a 100% chance that it is oxymoronic. lol
April 14th, 2009 at 8:27 am
of course the bad offense hurts but I saw lots of teams running it down are throat during the 1&2 qts last year.
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Could you be more specific?
What games did you see the ball getting run down our throats?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Rockstar,
Why would someone NOT say 4 or 5 wins? The current NFL record streak is 6 consecutive seasons with 11 losses. Has that much changed to stop the streak? Its about the odds bro.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Man alot of you guys are going to be crying in your cheerios when Fargas is starting next year. LOL. Its funny how most of you just flat dismiss the guy and pretend he doesnt exist.
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Gotta agree with this too, lol!
Most people know it, and admit it by demanding he be traded.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Oakglenn,
How many years have you been ringin the ” Things are changn bell” ?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Lifer,
What exactly makes you believe anything is changing?
The last calendar year in Oakland has been one of the most dysfunctional years in Raider history.
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Point taken but we are going to play captian obvious lets look at some of the things that are changing starting with DC, cutting ties with High priced mistakes, The first time in three years we are not looking for a head coach this time of year, the first time we win Back to Back in dec for a DAY, and now not over spending on over hype…TO no..Fat Albert no….
wether or not you AD hater want to admitt it he is getting and taking good advice for the first time in YEARS…It’s obvious to all us real fans that the Autumn wind is a change and again among us!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Is there another team in the league how uses “situational” pass rushers at DE? Isn’t that just a fancy word for backup?
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yes, many teams have them. they are guys who can rush the passer, but can’t play the run well. However, i’ve never heard the term “situational base DE” that can’t pressure a QB or collapse a pocket to save his life.
weird, huh?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Lifer,
Extremely OPTIMISTIC way of looking at it. As long as Al Davis is running the show, nothing will really change.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am
RRS,
I think circumstances dictate our WR position, if u know what I mean. If the OT situation truly has been upgraded, then I think we all feel confident in our running game, for starters, right? Well to take it a step further, if we don’t have to worry about false starts and sacks from our OTs, then JRuss should have time to find Miller, Dmac, JLH, Schillens, and Shields. Not to mention Bush and Strong.
See JRuss is the #1 pick, right? If our Oline consistently gives him 3-4 seconds to find someone, he already has enough weapons to score 24-30 points a game.
Improved OT play, and compitent play calling, and I don’t think we need a WR at 7.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Improved OT play, and compitent play calling, and I don’t think we need a WR at 7.
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you may be right. However, relying on oft injured Walker & Shields is risky business. Better hope Higgins & Schilens are ready to start 16 games as the #1 and #2 WR’s … sink or swim
April 14th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I see Scott and Gunhiem as base DE prospects since they are both 6′5. I don’t see either of them as the everydown double digit sack guy going against the LTs of the NFL.
Sorry!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Come on man, stop throwig Arman Shields into the WR conversation. He has never stepped foot on an NFL field and is coming off a major injury. Odds are he never plays a major role in the NFL.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
DRAFT MACLIN!!!!!! I still haven’t changed my mind.He’s our pick @ #7,he’s always seperating himself from his defender as he going aggressively at the football.He’s confident and he’s humble.Maclin will be a great addition to our Raiders on and off the field.Al Davis,word to the wise.Do not miss this one,DRAFT MACLIN!!!!!!!PERIOD.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:43 am
OPTIMISTIC-expecting the best in this best of all possible worlds……
Dude,
Again good point but If I had to choose I’d rather be a optimist then a pessimist.. And when things ARE changing you have to belive it’s for the good. If we all got up in the morning acting and talking like Chicken little “the sky is falling” we would all sound like haters that were afraid of change …After all as a loyal fan dnt you want to see us win and as a loyal fan…AD blinders off for a min…is it not obvious to you that things are just a little diiferent from years past..I mean come on breo theres a difference between being optimistic/pessimistic and being just plain blind..
April 14th, 2009 at 8:43 am
DE & DT are equal on the priority list imo
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I don’t disagree with that, per se …
I’d like to see some young blood added to the mix. I’m really high on Moala, Gilbert, and Hood.
But I would like that person to replace Joseph moreso than Warren, Kelly, or Sands. Our DTs looke worse last year b/c we only had 3 on the roster so they were gassed late in the game, or we had Wakefield on the field.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Lifer,
I really dont see much substantial change. The same holes that have existed for years still exist and the simple fact that the Raiders cant draft make it impossible for me to believe better days are ahead.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Improved OT play, and compitent play calling, and I don’t think we need a WR at 7.
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you may be right. However, relying on oft injured Walker & Shields is risky business. Better hope Higgins & Schilens are ready to start 16 games as the #1 and #2 WR’s … sink or swim
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Both great points I like crabbs at seven thats it no maclin or DHB “in the first” Improved Oline play will even help pour defense and DEFINITLY help our offense “WR” but like Double R said and so many others anyone in the league can catch a ball “thats why they there” But can they make plays???? WE NEED A PLAYMAKER!! But that said there are playmakers out there ala Jerry rice/T.J Houzh both late round picks no?? we could trade down and continue to polish gems or roll the dice on one of the best WR coming out in years “one of the best”
April 14th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Rice was a first rounder bro. Most top WRs were early picks.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Our defenses always plays TIRED because they can’t get any rest.Our offense STINKS.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Norco Bob,when does the schedule come out??? Hope there is a late season game vs KC
April 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
in Oakland I mean
April 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Bank,
Thats a hell of a point that people dont talk enough about.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:56 am
This draft talk is getting tedius.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Dakota,
so tedious in fact you fell asleep writing the word.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:01 am
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
April 14th, 2009 at 9:02 am
My bad with rice had the trade details backwards in my head.
all i’m saying is lets look at wr in rounds 3-6 that have made a huge impact on the league and compare that list to the mike williams list….
April 14th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Dude Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Bank,
Thats a hell of a point that people dont talk enough about.
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jhill Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 am
man only 61 of 214 3rd down conversions made.Well that is a good argument against the offense.Could be said thats WHY the defense ranked 31st vs the run
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Now you’re on target, my man!
Think about how many more opportunities our opponents had because we couldn’t stay on the field? How many yards are cut off our run defense’s avg if we have a few more 5 minute drives in each game instead of the 3 and outs, or 5 plays and out?
How about if we can cut a few more of their drives short by 2 or 3 minutes by getting off the field on 3rd down? How many yds would that cut of our run defense?
It’s not just about the DTs folks! That would just too easy. Our team is not that good.
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We all realize that our offense dsnt compliment our D but again we are out of the bed and breakfast era of playcalling, we no longer have a highschool primadonna back stabbing our DC and Owner and calling 3 yrd pass plays to protect russell….things will be different this year I hope with the addtion of a Big time WR or some much needed Depth/Help on our O-line this should be eveving back out
April 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Since Rob fukin Ryan loved Tommy Kelly so much, why not trade Shaun Rogers for T.K. straight up? I would do that deal in a heartbeat if I was the Raiders….
April 14th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Sure the Browns would jump at that trade. LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
LOL…..
Rob fukin Ryan has about as much credibility in any locker room player personal decsion making process as a monkey who found that flordia stash them gys were talkin bout earlier…LOL …but love the idea of that trade!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Since Rob Ryan loved Tommy Kelly so much, why not trade Shaun Rogers for T.K. straight up? I would do that deal in a heartbeat if I was the Raiders….
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Rob Ryan was a players coach. He gave glowing reviews to every player in his garbage defense!
April 14th, 2009 at 9:16 am
WE NEED A PLAYMAKER
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We have DMac and JLH who are clearly playmakers. This is where I get back to playcalling in that we need for Cable to get both of these guys on the field at the same time, and find a way to get them one on one is space.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:25 am
DRAFTING MACLIN,will allow Dmac and others to be one on one in space because MACLIN will stretch the field and he will make plays.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Rob Ryan has about as much credibility in any locker room player personal decision making process as a monkey who found that florida stash them guys were talkin bout earlier…LOL
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haha. couldn’t agree more
April 14th, 2009 at 9:25 am
We have DMac and JLH who are clearly playmakers.
But only one of these guys is a WR what would be your starting rotation if we stood pat or drafted a wr in a later round? Who starts along side of JLH? Carter…only if he can make it out of preseason Question mark, Walker…hmm dnt need to explain Huge Question mark, Schilens…well if he can build on his 15 catches from a year ago we have a bright project…NOT a starter, Shields…first of all this dude is small second of all he has really never set foot on a NFL field other than OTA’s and practice, Holland…WHO……
So please who starts and in which postion with who coming in on spot duty?
April 14th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Sounds like Rogers and Mangina working things out:
Browns’ Rogers reports for workouts
By TOM WITHERS – Mar 24, 2009
CLEVELAND (AP) — Cleveland Browns Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers is taking part in the club’s voluntary offseason workout program after missing the first week in an apparent rift with new coach Eric Mangini.
In a video clip on the team’s Web site, Rogers is shown shaking hands and hugging a teammate in the weight room at the Browns’ training facility in Berea.
Mangini said at the owner’s meetings in California that he has spoken with Rogers, who had reportedly asked to be traded or released.
Rogers made the Pro Bowl in his first season with Cleveland. The Browns acquired the 6-foot-4, 350-pounder in a trade last March with Detroit for cornerback Leigh Bodden. He arrived with a reputation of being uncooperative with the media, overweight and having a poor work ethic.
However, the 30-year-old was no trouble and had a solid first season.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I would start JLH and Schillens at WR, with Shields as the #3.
Main reason is I need to see a full season of what these guys are made of. We all concede that this is a 8-8 type of season, so let’s figure out who can play and who can’t.
Let the young guys play, and draft accordingly next year. I don’t want to go into next yea wondering what we have in the young WRs, Gunhiem, Scott, Henderson, Bowie, and Branch.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
# Dude Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Lifer,
I really dont see much substantial change. The same holes that have existed for years still exist and the simple fact that the Raiders cant draft make it impossible for me to believe better days are ahead.
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Dud (the e is silent right?) The Raiders had 2 All Pro players last year. Gallery and Thomas Howard could be added to the mix this next season, and that is not including some very very promising young players on offense all of which the Raiders drafted. Dud, you should probably STFU. All you do in here is embarrass yourself.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
jhill Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I would start JLH and Schillens at WR, with Shields as the #3.
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Wasn’t Carter like the next coming or something befor he got hurt I remember every body raviing about how he a Jroc were working sooo hard to get on the same page.. is he 4th in ur option? I think he should be a three at best..and ur saying you dnt figure walker in to the plans at all??
April 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Wait a minute Jhill what is this 8-8 stuff?
I am thinking 12-4 and playoffs man. These guys showed me something at the end of the year. Now we let Bush go forget about it!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Carter should be let go and never should have been signed in the first place. How many knee operations does a team need before they say I like this guy but his knees are a mess and I can not sign him. This kids knees are going to be jello by the time he is 40.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Oaklifer,
I don’t think Carter is even on the Raiders’ roster at this point. He was a FA and no one has signed him.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
A WR like crabb or Mac wouldn’t bother me a bit(not the overhyped Bey)@ #7. Though, I think the best pk. would be DT Raji. I believe the best weapon for a young QB is his defense. A good D keeps the games close allowing the O to stick to the game plan & run the ball, it also allows JMac to make those mistakes in the growing process. With stops & turnovers the D provides more oppurtunities for the O. JMac is still learning how to be an NFL QB in which a good running game & D are far more important then a WR.
1st. DT B.J Raji
2nd. S Patrick Chung
3rd. DE Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
4th. ILB Frantz Joseph
April 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Oaklifer,
I don’t think Carter is even on the Raiders’ roster at this point.
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Which backs my point even more WE NEED A WR maybe not at 7 “unless Crabbs is there” But we are not at the point were we “just see what the young guyscan do” we CAN compete for the division title this year with a few more wins!!!! and I think we are not that far off A LT to compete and A Stud WR to go with our Stud QB and our STUDS RB’s… We have a stable that is three quaters full….but add another horse or two and WTFO!!
April 14th, 2009 at 10:12 am
What time is the presser today?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:13 am
JLH, Schillens, Shields, Walker, rookie.
I think a lot of people were excitied about Carter b/c he wanted to be here and he was working hard to be the guy. At this point, I can’t count on him coming back from these injuries to both of his knees.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:13 am
GhostRaider Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
A WR like crabb or Mac wouldn’t bother me a bit(not the overhyped Bey)@ #7. Though, I think the best pk. would be DT Raji. I believe the best weapon for a young QB is his defense. A good D keeps the games close allowing the O to stick to the game plan & run the ball, it also allows JMac to make those mistakes in the growing process. With stops & turnovers the D provides more oppurtunities for the O. JMac is still learning how to be an NFL QB in which a good running game & D are far more important then a WR.
1st. DT B.J Raji
2nd. S Patrick Chung
3rd. DE Lawrence Sidbury Jr.
4th. ILB Frantz Joseph
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Now thats a mock draft not to “HIGH” on Raji but you made a great point and something we’ve been disscussing we need a good D to compliment our young QB…
I have a man crush on chung i’ve seen him play at least 6 times in person this kid can flat out fly and take heads of…What about Brinkly in that 4th spot??? if he’s there dnt know muck bout frantz but he plays ILB brinkly can plaw WS or SAM…
Nice Mock Brother
April 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Jerry,
Can you find anything out about JaMarcus and the Garcia dynamic????
April 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
JLH, Schillens, Shields, Walker, rookie.
Well you maybe be right shore up the D in the draft give Jroc some room for error with stops and turn overs if we can dominate the run game we could be set with this group of young “RAW” talented guys. I some what agree I geuss it just depoends on who that rookie or 4th or 5th guy is?? Are we oppossed to some one moving the chains like torry holt or another vet we could get cheap to help mentor our guys..we did it for Jroc now lets do it for JLH and CO
April 14th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Rnd 1 – Maulauga MLB
Rnd 2 – Gilbert DE/DT
Rnd 3 – Ramses Barden WR
Rnd 4 – Caldwell C/G
April 14th, 2009 at 10:24 am
With Eugene resigning, and Branch surely in the plans, I don’t know that we are thinking safety in this draft. Until I see Huff traded, I can’t see us going DB in this draft.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I hope we kick the tires on some of these FAs before the draft:
Vonnie Holliday, DE
Amani Toomer, WR
Lorenzo Neal, FB
Ekuban, DE
Bubba Franks, TE
Some of them might sign one year minimum deals at this point.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Don’t know if I pasted right, but here’s a sight with info & video on ILB Frantz Joseph. The guys a beast, my favorite player in the draft. A sure bet to stop the run.
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/2009_nfl_draft_inside_linebacker_rankings/
If S Chung is avaialable in the 2nd I hope the Raiders jump on him, no question.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Why Dakota?
What are you hoping these old guys can give us? I’d rather see young guys at all of those positions, and get some of these questions answered, right?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
jhill Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 10:24 am
With Eugene resigning, and Branch surely in the plans, I don’t know that we are thinking safety in this draft
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Bro, Chung is an upgrade over all three dudes put together….It seems like you fear change Shields/watkins/Schillins/huff/branch/eugene/
I want to win not keep players i like, There is a difference between making business like decsions, and being a player coach Now in all fairness we havnt seen what they can do but if we could upgrade at WR or S or any other postion besides RB or QB then lets do it NO MORE SCHOLARSHIPS……please
April 14th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Ekuban, DE
Amani Toomer, WR
Now here we go some vet leadership that actually could help!!!
We may want young guys on the field but it sure helps to have guys like Garcia/Toomer in practice to push and mentor our young rising team!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Good morning.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Jhill,
Just for depth and veteran leadership…nothing more.
Toomer would be a great mentor for the young WRs, and would provide Russell a stable target early in the season until the other WRs prove themselves.
Neal would bridge the gap to OO during his time on the PUP, and would then be a great mentor for OO once he is recovered…just look at what Neal has done over the years.
Holliday is simply for depth at DE, a guy we could plug in if Scott flops, same with Ekuban.
Franks would just give us a decent backup TE to miller and allow for some flexibility with double TE formations that I think Al thought Troupe would prove last year.
A team needs some vets around to teach the young guys how things work…I am not saying those listed above are ideal by any means, just what is left on the bare shelves. A team can get too young if you don’t watch out. And these guys should come pretty cheap at this point. The only one out of all of them that I would give more than the vet min for would be Neal.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
I here former Lions WR Charles Rogers is trying to make it back in the NFL. Any takers?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
…and maybe Toomer.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:41 am
My new Mock Draft, In case you missed it:
1- Raji
2- DHB or H Nicks if they are available, if not Ramses B or Robiskie
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Clinton McD
7- OLB Ty Sales from Penn, or my Fav Russell Allen from SDSU.
I think this will fix a lot of needs, but I know Jhill doesn’t agree.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
LOL Charles “I’ve no collar bone” Rogers!!!!!!
Every team needs a gatoraide guy!!!!!! I say if hes cheap let him carry the water bucket for a year or two….
April 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Or :
1- Raji
2- Moore or Chung
3- Ramses B
4- Clinton McD
7- Sales, or Russell Allen.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Wasn’t Rogers suspended due to drugs?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Or :
1- Crabbs
2- Brace
2- (via trade) Chung
4- Clinton McD/brinkley/Frantz Joseph
7- Sales, or Russell Allen.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
It seems like you fear change
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LOL … Now that was funny!
I would think that seeing what the young guys we drafted last year, and the young guys who produced last year ( JLH, Schillens, and Shields) should be given an opportunity with an improved Oline, and consistant play calling. We should be able to say that they couldn’t get it done, so get them on the field so we can see what’s up.
You could cut Eugene and Watkins right now if u ask me. This is hardly about players I like. But Branch and Shields were just drafted last year. Yeah I want to see them play before I spend ANOTHER draft pick on the same position.
And I think Huff is going to be just fine.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:52 am
I like it Oak. As long as we add a WR, DE/ DT, S, and LB I’m happy.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Robiskie is underrated. Good size, runs good routes, understands the game & has good character. They say hes not fast, but I seen him fly by plenty defenders. Besides I’ll take hands & route running over speed any day. Nicks is like T.J Housh & Ramses is like Plaxico, but without the skills. In other words waste of pks.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
O,
I don’t dislike your mock. It’s just that I would expect a lot of post draft, or draft day activity if your mock came to be.
We would need to trade Huff, and add two DEs. And I don’t see any DEs out there now that is going to fill the need for a double digit sack artist. I still see us having major 3rd down issues after your draft.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I attend SDS and I’m telling you, Allen is a beast. He had 20+ tackles in one game, I think it was against Utah.
He is 6′3 230-240.
At his pro day:
He ran a 4.63, and had 24 reps on the bench.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
1st round- Raji
2nd-Gilbert
April 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I would take Robiskie in round 2 way before taking DHB, Maclin or Crabtree at #7, as he is more NFL ready. WRs rarely make a team better and they take 2-3 years to even start producing unless they are special (which those three are not). Solidify the o-line first, giving Russell time to throw, then worry about WRs. If Russell starts seeing the field better and is given more time to pass, then those young WRs already on the roster might see their numbers skyrocket.
Besides, Cable will not be given the time to develop another WR, he needs to win now.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I would think that seeing what the young guys we drafted last year, and the young guys who produced last year ( JLH, Schillens, and Shields)
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Again good points bro, but wasnt one of those guys a 6th or 7th rounder and the other has never seen a snap during regular season… I was just wondering what your defintion of PRODUCE was???
And yes huff might be fine in nickle ball hawk situations i agree he needs a second chance and a real DC but you dnt think the DC makes a Diference right??
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
♫ The Number Of The Beast ♫
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
As long as we add a WR, DE/ DT, S, and LB I’m happy.
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It’s right there for you …
Rnd 1 Rey Maulauga MLB – Moves Kirk to OLB and adds a much needed physical presense to our LB corps.
Rnd 2 Jaron Gilbert DE/DT – Starts at base DE from day 1, and moves to DT with Kelly on 3rd down.
Rnd 3 Ramses Barden WR – Who know who will be available in rnd 3? Take the best WR prospect on the board.
Rnd 4 Antoine Caldwell G/C – We have a lot of sorting out to do with all these players we brought in at OT, but we can’t same the same at OG. We need someone to make Carlilse a backup.
I won’t pretend to know who might be available for us to take in later rounds.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Dakota..
thanks for your Robiskie support!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Jhill,
Why 2 DEs?
Clinton McD will play base end if drafted, and Burgess and Scott are our pass rushers.
I think TK, Burgess, and Scott call all rush the passer. We were 16th in sacks last year, and teams didn’t throw a lot. They ran more, and we were 31st against the Run. I say fix the run D, and see what we have in Scott. If we can add more talent by trade, then why not. I would like to get M Johnson on that Mock too.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:07 am
We need to draft a safety!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:08 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
The Number Of The Beast 
April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
April 14th, 2009 at 11:09 am
LMN,
It is very limited support of Robiskie. I hope we avoid drafting a WR altogether. I want to see nothing but o-line, d-line and LBs in this draft…but if Al insists, then I hope it is Robiskie in round 2 and not Maclin/Crabtree/DHB in round 1.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I like Rashad Johnson in the later rounds.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
After Raji, I don’t see any DT’s worth takeing that will be an upgrade over Sands, Kelly & Warren.
I’d rather see
1st Raji
2nd Robiskie
Rather than
1st Crabb
2nd Brace ( no different than Sands & has back issues)
April 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Get Chung
April 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Anybody in the Bay Area see “The Blitz” last night? I was flipping through the channels and they had a panel with Artie Gigantino, Todd Christensen and Jarrod Cooper. Artie sad it was a lock that Al would take Crabtree or Maclin in the first, then two OT’s in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, then go D-line in the late rounds.
That wouldn’t be half bad, if Al could actually restrain himself enough to avoid taking a random DB. If we got lucky it could turn out like:
1. Crabtree
2. Jamon Meredith
3. Phil Loadholt
4. Chris Baker, DT
7. Cyril Obiozer, DE
April 14th, 2009 at 11:14 am
rnd4 26th (125)overall.
Oakland (From Jacksonville through Baltimore) Arman Shields WR Richmond
Shields sustained a season-ending knee injury early in the 2007 season, and he doesn’t have great size. On the other hand, he played very well against Vanderbilt in the 2007 season opener, quieting concerns about his ability to make the jump to the NFL. He’s fearless going over the middle and fast enough to stretch the field.
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Well he produced against VANDY my bad……
rnd 7 (226)overall
Oakland (From Minnesota (through N.Y. Jets)) Chaz Schilens WR San Diego State
He’s a 6-foot-4, 225-pound wideout who might need to play an H-back role in order to make it in the NFL. He missed time due to injuries as a senior, but he has good straight-line speed for his size. He has to become a better intermediate route-runner and a much better blocker to make the transition.
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All I’m saying is we NEED HELP……..
Produce- head of lettuce, tomatoes…oh ok now i get it
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I hope not
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Norco Bob,when does the schedule come out??? Hope there is a late season game vs KC
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in 4hours 45 minutes!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Ok Jhill: a special O Mock, just for you.
I will call it O J Mock Draft 1.0:
With trade down:
1- DHB
1- M Johnson
2- Brace
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Clinton McD
7- Russell Allen
What do you think?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Chung is a hitter, but can’t cover. That’s the reason we let Gibril go.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I will call it O J Mock Draft 1.0:
Careful with the OJ talk on a football bog…lol
Chung is a hitter, but can’t cover. That’s the reason we let Gibril go.
Well ive seen him play and the kid can flat out fly and yes his specialty is putting the smack down he can cover better than any saftery on our roster except our
tweener CB/S huff who can shut down elite tight ends but other than that couldnt cover bed with a sheet……
April 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Good point DMAC, but we need some intimidation on D. We don’t have a single “hitter” in that group today. That is ridiculous. Gibril was a solid tackler but not really a hitter.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Wouldn’t be my first choice BBB, but I could see how a WR, OT, OT draft would help us. Like I said, a few more 5 minute drives per game instead of the 3 and outs helps everyone out. Without question the most dreadful part of last year was our offense, or lack thereof.
WR at 7, followed by two ZBS OTs would be totally understandable. Shocking a little bit in that it means Henderson is in fact a bust, and they have no intention of signing Barnes long term.
Actually, that would be a bit disappointing in that this is a lame duck season in terms of the OT situation. If we draft OTs in rnd 2 and 3, I would expect them to play, and possibly start. Why waste a 2nd and 3rd on guys who you don’t intend on being starters?
I could understand Crabtree, but 2 OTs?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dakota…
3 weeks before senior bowl I saw an interview with Robiskies father, and then footages of junior… so i had my eyes on him during senior bowl, I think he is fantastic… the other might be more gifted, but as of week one Robiskie will be more gameready and i like how he runs routes.. I really really like this kid, he is this years Eddie Royal, meaning him I too had a keen eye for during february last year, and he showed us what he can do…
I hear ya, i understand why you dont think we should pick WRs at all, and I can live with us not picking Robiskie as long as we dont waste our 1st round pick on a WR… 2nd, 3rd and 4th has always been the important picks for me, mostly because so many 1st rounders are talked up, and often busts…
April 14th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wassup with Branch?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I don’t know guys …
I want to talk about my LBs being my big hitters, not my DBs. Especially with all the rule changes. We need playmakers at S, and I think that Branch and Huff should be able to play half the field in Marshall’s defense with no problem.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Branch is a hitter, we dont need guys to cover… we need someone who smacks the hell out of the opponent, so they start fearing us, Huff can cover, but cant hit or tackle….
April 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Jhill..
Sam Williams……… LOL, sorry couldnt help myself =)
April 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I simply cannot grasp the fascination with the Raji hype. Perhaps the kid will do okay, more than likely anyone who advocates him at #7 will be screaming bust before he has lit his second smoke. Why? Never in his life has he ever had to face NFL quality guards and centers on a weekly basis. People who do this for a profession and are used to people BJ’s size and capabilities as a regular part of the grind.
Drafting any DT in the first round will not alter the Raiders fortunes to any great degree. Drafting an OT to solidify the line, help with scoring and time of possession and you have a whole new ballgame.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Chung can be a Brian Dawkins type a player. He can cover, he even played some Corner. He sometimes bytes on play action & pump fakes because hes aggressive, but that can be fixed with coaching & experiance. Hes a sure tackler & loves to study film, 2 things you cant teach.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I forgot about him since he didn’t play last year. My bad! I can’t believe I did that after Cable even mentioned him during the interview. Now I HEAR he can hit but I haven’t seen it yet. If he’s the truth then I’ll retract my statement of S as a need in the draft. And thinking about it more, I don’t think it’s likely they’d spend a higher pick on a S given we have Branch, Huff, and Eugene…assuming they’re sold on that group. So grab Crabtree or Smith @ #1. Then go shore up the D! Get some hitters!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
You’re killing me Jhill. You dont like our mock draft!! lol
April 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Yes our LB corp needs to be the intimadating force on our D but A RB in the second level or a WR coming across the middle needs his head taken off!!!!!
Wilson led the team in tackels for a reason “other than not being able to cover” Our front 7 kinda sucked last year….but with a new system like you said we can split the field for these guys thery are defintyly athletic enough to cover thier half they just need to hit as well!!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
O,
I’m assuming you traded down with Philly? I don’t want to move back that far, but if we did, I think I’d tweak it a bit.
Not familiar with any of your guys in rnd 3-7.
I would prefer Jaron Gilbert over M Johnson.
1 – Moala
1 – Gilbert
2 – Brinkely
3 – Barden
April 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Jhill,
Post your Mock Draft, and let us take a look at it.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am
M, exactly…OT is one of the few positions in the NFL where a rookie can come in and make a difference year one (along with LB and RB). Rookie DTs, WRs…Cable might be long gone before they start contributing to wins.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Jhill,
JB in the 2nd! I think that’s a little high for him. I like Gilbert and Ramses. McD is like Gilbert, played DT/DE at college. He is thick and has speed.
Clinton McD is 6′3 280, 36 reps on the bench, 38″ vertical, and ran a 4.80.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Without a trade down ..
Rnd 1 – Maulauga
Rnd 2 – Jaron Gilbert
Rnd 3 – Ramses Barden
Rnd 4 – Antoine Caldwell
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Branch is a hitter, we dont need guys to cover…
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We don’t need S’s who can defend the pass?
Really?
LOL!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Thanks LMN
April 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am
M, I can probably break it down for you as far as the Raji hype: the draft and order of player talent is probably, Stafford, Jason Smith, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe, Michael Crabtree, Andre Smith in that order or some close facsimile. Unfortunately, we pick next at 7th and the next players seem to have a bit of a drop off in talent. Those next in line would be Orakpo, Raji or Maclin most likely. Of those, Raji might be the best of the bunch.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
JB in the 2nd! I think that’s a little high for him. I like Gilbert and Ramses. McD is like Gilbert, played DT/DE at college. He is thick and has speed.
Clinton McD is 6′3 280, 36 reps on the bench, 38″ vertical, and ran a 4.80
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May be a little high for Brinkley, but I’m grabbing the guys I want instead of gambling that he might last until the 3rd.
McD sounds like a player!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
With Trade
1 Andre Smith
1a Alex Mack Trade next years 1 for one of Philys (cant afford to keep signing top ten picks)
2 Duke Robinson
3 Sidbury
4 Knox or OLB CAL
April 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Here is my dream mock that we all know will never happen
Trade down with Jets who would love to have Sanchez giving us their first and second and a conditional pick in 2010 for the number 7 slot
1st round ILB Rey Maualuga USC
Using both 2nd rounders trade up with someone back in the late first round.
1st round DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech
Trade Derrick Burgess for a 3rd rounder since teams know he is a contract year and will play like hell for his last shot at a big pay day.
3rd Round SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
3rd Round NT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman
Trade Huff for a 4th. Good riddance
4th round G Andy Levitre Oregon State
4th round TE Bear Pascoe Fresno State
No 5th ot 6th rounders
7th round FB Brandon Southerland Georgia
This would be a great draft IMO because these positions help the team get back to toughness again. We are so soft its ridiculous. No OT or WR drafted in my perfect world. Too bad we know this wont happen. Feel free to disagree.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Now that the draft is soo near I dont care what we do as long as we
1.Protect Jmac
2.Get the nastiest meanest MLB
3.No matter the reason we were cooked by the late 3rd quater so strength and conditioning is of the ut-most importance,imo
April 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Raji dominated all gaurds & centers @ the senior bowl including C’s Mack & Unger. Our OL isnt as bad as people think. Mario played well against good DE’s last season & is only getting better. Barnes should be atleast a solid RT & are interior line is solid with Gallery, Satele & Carlisle. The only top notch OT’s to me are J. Smith & E. Monroe who will be gone by & anyways. Raji Is the type Of DT you plug in right away & instanly makes the D better.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I don’t think Patrick Chung is going to be as good a pro as some of the other safety prospects. the guy I REALLY like is Sean Smith the safety out of Utah. I would LOVE to draft that guy in the top of the 2nd round.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
And hell yeah I’d reach for Bear Pascoe in the 4th. We need another TE badly and this kid is a devastating blocker who will allow Miller to not stay in and block so damn much
April 14th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Guys I just dont see Raji being a great NT for us in a 4-3 scheme. I just look through the league and I find no NTs his size dominating in a 4-3 scheme
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
JHill,
I think Henderson was in fact a wasted pick, and the team accepting that earlier, rather than later is better. Barnes has a one-year deal, so we really can’t expect him to lock-down any position. Grabbing two top ZBS tackles in the draft gives us a LT to compete with Henderson and Barnes, a RT to compete with Barnes and Pears, or develop behind Barnes, and it could also provide a replacement at RG for Carlisle, if the tackles we take are not NFL tackle material. Strengthening our O-line might take more than one pick.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Oakglenn, Smith is intriguing b/c of his ability to cover and play Nickel CB. But do we need a safety bad enough to use a 2nd rounder on this guy? I’d rather grab a DL. Al does have a knack for getting good DT’s in the later rounds so maybe grab a guy that can play DE in Rd. 2…?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Bear Pascoe great blocker and great hands and size.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
JHill,
I think Henderson was in fact a wasted pick, and the team accepting that earlier, rather than later is better. Barnes has a one-year deal, so we really can’t expect him to lock-down any position. Grabbing two top ZBS tackles in the draft gives us a LT to compete with Henderson and Barnes, a RT to compete with Barnes and Pears, or develop behind Barnes, and it could also provide a replacement at RG for Carlisle, if the tackles we take are not NFL tackle material. Strengthening our O-line might take more than one pick.
BBB, I like your posts but you cant be serious! Wasted pick? Based on what? Mario is your starter and no damn rookie or free agent crap waste like Barnes is taking that spot from him. Cable will not select a ZBS left tackle high as it is. A wasted pick is gallery god dammit. A wasted signing is Cooper Carlisle because he sucks
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I like Bear Pascoe to, if we could get some picks in the 5th or 6th (Andrew Walter, Burgess) that would be a great pick-up. Especially considering Cable’s claim that we would be running a lot of two TE sets next year. Other than Miller, we got Stewart who is getting up there in years, and Strong who spent most of the season on the practice squad. I also like Anthony Hill, TE out of NC State, real big kid, could be a force blocking as well.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Bear Pascoe great blocker and great hands and size.
Yes! Raiders will be using more double TE sets and why not have someone like Pascoe helping that movement? Raiders are wise to grab him if they could. Guy is a pro for sure
April 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Man if we could just trade down and get Mack and the best MLB on the board
April 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Its great to know the draft is coming up soon but I will be quite disappointed if Raji or Orakpo were selected but would take them over a WR. It is a heavy mistake to take Maclin or Craptree when your team lacks toughness. Those two guys arent even gonna start over the guys we have now
April 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Brien
Interesting draft scenario. you have renewed my faith in man, dreams like that our never stated and those who do are always followed up with crazy negativity.
My deal to you, if you get any part of your scenario half right, I will gladly take you out to Ruth Chris Steak house, you can order any item and drink to your hearts delight, and afterwards I will join you in “purple time”.
No B.S I will follow through, will you?
You are the man, of course third in line to Oak, and Marley in my eyes.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Brien,
Just my opinion from watching him whiff at DE’s last season. Henderson was selected way, way, way to high as a 3rd-rounder development pick, and after two seasons in the league, I still think he could be beaten out for the position by a rookie, easy. As for Barnes, I am in agreement with you there, which is all the more reason to draft a very good Tackle in 2009.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
The o-line wasn’t that damn bad last season. We’ve upgraded slightly w/ the addtion of Barnes and Henderson coming along. We need to stop the RUN!!!!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Harris was the main issue and he’s gone!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Nader64 what is interesting is if you look at ALL the teams in the conference championship games this last year, EVERY TEAM, had a marquee all pro safety. Dawkins, Adrian Wilson, Palomalu, Ed Reed. Safety has become one of the premier positions, so spending a high #2 might not be a bad idea, especially on a player of Sean Smiths abilities.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Raider Dell Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Brien
Interesting draft scenario. you have renewed my faith in man, dreams like that our never stated and those who do are always followed up with crazy negativity.
My deal to you, if you get any part of your scenario half right, I will gladly take you out to Ruth Chris Steak house, you can order any item and drink to your hearts delight, and afterwards I will join you in “purple time”.
No B.S I will follow through, will you?
You are the man, of course third in line to Oak, and Marley in my eyes.
So we are making a deal here? I never lost my faith in ya bruh bruh. I just thought you were missing it on Grove which you did admit to me later on in the season lol. I’m down man. Sadly though we know my dream wont happen. Two DBs will be selected along with WRs we dont need and a real wasted pick at backup QB. You know it too
April 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
1977 Raiders are on the NFLN.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I like Bear Pascoe to, if we could get some picks in the 5th or 6th (Andrew Walter, Burgess) that would be a great pick-up. Especially considering Cable’s claim that we would be running a lot of two TE sets next year. Other than Miller, we got Stewart who is getting up there in years, and Strong who spent most of the season on the practice squad. I also like Anthony Hill, TE out of NC State, real big kid, could be a force blocking as well.
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I thought Fred Wakefield was our blocking TE? LOL
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Brien
I’m down with the deal, let’s hope half is right.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
DMAC Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
The o-line wasn’t that damn bad last season. We’ve upgraded slightly w/ the addtion of Barnes and Henderson coming along.
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Dmac our offensive line was AWFUL last year!!!! That’s why we have spent soooooo much of the offseason on upgrades. Flip on ANY game last year and one of the first things you see is some defensive end flying around our guys, stripping the rock, and then there’s a mad scramble for the ball. The BEST thing that happens next is it’s 3rd and 22. Which we did not ever convert! The question you have to ask is can you throw a bunch of castoffs out there to man up your line??? My feeling is ABSOLUTELY NOT! Draft Oline at #7.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Brien,
Just my opinion from watching him whiff at DE’s last season. Henderson was selected way, way, way to high as a 3rd-rounder development pick, and after two seasons in the league, I still think he could be beaten out for the position by a rookie, easy. As for Barnes, I am in agreement with you there, which is all the more reason to draft a very good Tackle in 2009.
Whiff? I dont know about that. Preseason he damn sure did the el Matador dance but in the season I can only think of two times he whiffed but did the QB get sacked? That is the real key you must ask yourself. Did he allow Russell adequate time to throw. All you have is a little under 3 seconds to throw in the NFL. Nevermind the help crap people wanna use when it wasnt done even through the entire game, his job is to protect Russell’s blindside. Did he do that?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Everyone needs to review Henderson up against Peppers when he got in. I was at the game and saw him by himself not allow Peppers near Walter. Then Kwame came back in the game and he got dilly dallied left and right. Also who wasnt impressed with Henderson’s job against pro bowler Mario Williams? Come on guys. No rookie or Barnes will unseat that guy
April 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
4eva..
no problem… i should know, LOL, i was the one the other day, who thought it was the countdown for the draft =)
April 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
OakGlen
How many yards did we give up on the run?????
April 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
LT didn’t do anything all season until he played the Raiders and ran all over us.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Raiders not drafting an OT at 7. I highly doubt it happens. Many on here love andre smith but I actually like Monroe more than anyone. Speaking of Monroe did anyone ever see the ESPN game against GA tech’s Michael Johnson? Mismatch and Johnson tore his ass apart all game. Monroe is a top 5 pick possibly and Johnson made him look stupid all game long
April 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I agree Brien Henderson will start and get better every game,imo
April 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Raji is the best DT in this draft.
Mel K has him graded at 96, and the 5th best player in this draft.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Anybody know when Crabtree’s foot broke? I’m wondering how much of his damage he did on a bad wheel.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
What good is it to have Namdi and Johnson, when our opponent will just run all over us.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Raider O Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Raji is the best DT in this draft.
Mel K has him graded at 96, and the 5th best player in this draft.
Best DT in a very weak class. He wouldnt get the same grade Ells or Dorsey got last year. 5th best player in the draft? Come on you on that hash again my man?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I like Bear Pascoe to, if we could get some picks in the 5th or 6th (Andrew Walter, Burgess) that would be a great pick-up. Especially considering Cable’s claim that we would be running a lot of two TE sets next year. Other than Miller, we got Stewart who is getting up there in years, and Strong who spent most of the season on the practice squad. I also like Anthony Hill, TE out of NC State, real big kid, could be a force blocking as well.
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Definitely. Snagging one of those two guys is a must in the later rounds.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Oakglenn, agree that those teams have stars at safety, but nothing close to a guarantee that Smith is going to be at that level. Now, if he is I’d be inclined to say take him at #7! He’s not a Sean Taylor by any account though. So I’d rather target Taylor Mays w/ a trade next year. I hope we don’t end up in a good position to draft him w/out a trade!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Yes Raider O and I’m certain that Mel K had Michael Huff rated the best S in the draft, Robert Gallery the No 1 T in the draft, Jake Grove the best C in the draft, Alex Smith the best QB in the draft etc etc.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
A wasted pick is gallery………
Well in hindsight….a prowbowl gaurd is nice to have… I agree tho there was alot of talent in that draft we could have used…..
April 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Brien,
You know I am. lol
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Everyone needs to review Henderson up against Peppers when he got in. I was at the game and saw him by himself not allow Peppers near Walter. Then Kwame came back in the game and he got dilly dallied left and right. Also who wasnt impressed with Henderson’s job against pro bowler Mario Williams? Come on guys. No rookie or Barnes will unseat that guy
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I agree. One of the reasons Cable scares me as HC is his depth chart decisions. He should’ve given Mario and Michael Bush much more playing time over Kwame and Fargas. If Mario can pick up where he left off and we get a competition going between two devestating run blockers in Barnes and Loadholt at RT, this line could be in excellent shape for the first time in years.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
DMAC,
I don’t have the stats but I would be curious to know the percentage of gashing runs you could blame on the interior D-line or was it greater on off-tackle running.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
# DMAC Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
OakGlen
How many yards did we give up on the run?????
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Dmac, the question really isn’t how many yards we gave up, it’s why did we give up those yards? One reason is our pass defense actually was pretty good. Teams chose to run at us for that reason. The other reason was we had NO offense. So teams could get up on us, and then smash the rock at us. Our team is built that if we get up on them, and force them to throw at us, they are in a world of hurt. See last Denver Game, Nov 23, 31-10 Raiders win.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
We failed to sign Tank Johnson, who could have been great in our 4-3 defense. We need to do something to adress the run-D!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Denver had no running game.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hey Raider O, if people don’t stop pimpin our boy Jarron Gilbert, there’s no way he’s there @ our second pick: http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
April 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
And we got up on them. Their strength was their passing game, and they could do nothing with it.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I agree. One of the reasons Cable scares me as HC is his depth chart decisions. He should’ve given Mario and Michael Bush much more playing time over Kwame and Fargas.
Whats up Chris,
Hey man I think now that cables really incharge we will see personal changes I truly believe that Cable will have the the best men on the field for the job..He already has started the ripple effect…..Bush will get more carries Henderson will not be unseated as some others have mentioned…we will spread out the ball and run a more diverse offense…He will make good personal decisions now that he is not an interm
April 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
DMAC,
I don’t have the stats but I would be curious to know the percentage of gashing runs you could blame on the interior D-line or was it greater on off-tackle running.
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Someone posted stats about this several weeks back that suggested runs off-tackle were a much bigger problem. I believe we ranked last in the league in YPC allowed on runs off-tackle.
That’s why I think DE and LB are bigger needs than DT. Forget Raji. Consider Maualuga at No. 7; Take Paul Kruger, DE, Utah in the 3rd; Zack Follet, OLB, Cal in the 4th and hope that Gunheim and/or Richardson can step up. Then use Burgess and Scott as situational pass-rushers, much the same as Atlanta did with John Abraham last year.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Brien… I saw that UVA-GaTech game you were talking about, and you’re right – Monroe got owned by Michael Johnson. He was looking for him all game and didn’t get a clear shot at all.
Johnson is intriguing; great measurables and a beast of a pass rusher. I just question his agressiveness a bit. He seems a little passive in the run game for someone that big and talented.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
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