Who are Cable’s fantastic four?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am in Oakland Raiders.
Asked Tuesday if the Raiders had narrowed their focus regarding the No. 7 pick in the draft, Raiders coach Tom Cable said, “Four spots. I’m not going to share them with you, either. But I know we need one of four guys.”
Someone posed the question to me on the on-line chat who the four players might be, and I replied I’d give it some more thought and post it today.
So here it is.
First, if Cable was including Baylor tackle Jason Smith, Virginia tackle Eugene Monroe and Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry on his list, then he’s out of luck unless the Raiders trade up. Good luck finding a mock draft that has any of those players falling to No. 7.
I’m going on the assumption the Raiders realize those three players will be gone and will adjust accordingly if one of them falls into their lap, and also assuming Cable’s four might not necessarily be the same four identified by Al Davis.
He’s going to have to sell the boss on the player he wants, and it that happens more often than you might think.
WR Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech: I know, I know, it seems the consensus wideout for the Raiders is Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin, plus Mike Mayock’s pick on the NFL Network of Maryland’s Darrius Heyward-Bey.
I think Cable would prefer Crabtree’s leaping and playmaking skills, which make him the ideal complement for JaMarcus Russell.
Great question in yesterday’s chat _ would the Raiders trade the No. 7 pick for Anquan Boldin?
My response? Boldin is a run-after-catch receiver and Russell needs someone to get downfield and make plays. Crabtree is a poor man’s Larry Fitzgerald.
Alabama T Andre Smith: Maybe it was a smokescreen, or perhaps wishful thinking that Davis will gift-wrap a blue chip tackle for his new coach, but Cable was unsparing in his praise for Smith.
The initial brushfire over Smith’s combine mishaps have already been snuffed out, and it appears he’s a lock for a top 10 pick. Southeastern Conference offensive lineman are better prepared for the NFL than any other based on the level of competition. Smith excelled in a Nick Saban program that is run more like an NFL team than any other college institution.
Mississippi T Michael Oher: Another SEC lineman who didn’t give up a sack and was the lead force for a powerful running game in a resurgent program. Oher was one of 13 children, his father a murder victim and his mother a crack addict. He was adopted by a white family and sent to Briarcrest Christian High School after spending much of his youth running the streets.
Oher is the subject of “The Blind Side,” a book by Michael Lewis on the evolution of the position of left tackle and how it is interwoven with his life. He’s the most compelling individual story in the draft, but maybe a bit behind Smith in that he’s had three line coaches in four years.
But he has all the tools, has shown a capacity for learning and responding to adversity, and could excel under Cable.
DT B.J. Raji, Boston College: If this is indeed the premiere run-stopper in the draft, Raji is receiving consideration on that skill alone.
A positive marijuana test at the combine was never confirmed, and chances are it wouldn’t have mattered to the Raiders anyway unless their research indicated it was a constant problem.
More of a concern would be that Raji already weighs 337 pounds and the Raiders have resisted the urge to sign huge defensive tackles in free agency (hello, Grady Jackson) because of that issue alone.
That’s my “four.” Your own interpretations are welcomed and encouraged.
Division delight
When we spoke with Cable Tuesday, he didn’t know the Raiders schedule other than the opener and the Thanksgiving Day date with Dallas. Or at least he said he didn’t.
But he spoke with enthusiasm again about the chance to get San Diego in Week 1, with the Raiders getting to test themselves against an division foe right away, particularly one that has beaten Oakland 11 consecutive times.
So he was no doubt ecstatic later when Weeks 2 and 3 contained a road game at Kansas City, where the Raiders have won two straight years, and a home game against Denver. The Raiders have wins over the Broncos in each of the past two seasons, at home in 2007 and in Denver in 2008.
The Broncos and Chiefs are both transitioning with new coaches and quarterbacks. This is a huge opportunity for some momentum _ a chance to win more division games in the first three weeks than they’ve won over an entire season since 2002.
As difficult as the end of the schedule is with four road games in six weeks, it’s all about a fast start for the Raiders. The more early wins, the more latitude the coach receives from Davis. An 0-3 start would be as crippling as a 3-0 start would be liberating, particularly with Houston on the road in Week 4.
There’s a brutal stretch of four road games over the last six weeks (although that comes off back-to-back home games against the Chiefs and Bengals) but that adversity is outweighed by the opportunity for a fast start.
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April 15th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Draft Andre Smith!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
A fast start indeed is crucial.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
DT B.J. Raji, Boston College: If this is indeed the premiere run-stopper in the draft, Raji is receiving consideration on that skill alone.
A positive marijuana test at the combine was never confirmed, and chances are it wouldn’t have mattered to the Raiders anyway unless their research indicated it was a constant problem.
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I don’t think it has been confirmed yet because the results are not officially released to the teams until the 20th of April, or something like that.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
yo
April 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
great question in yesterday’s chat _ would the Raiders trade the No. 7 pick for Anquan Boldin?
My response? Boldin is a run-after-catch receiver and Russell needs someone to get downfield and make plays. Crabtree is a poor man’s Larry Fitzgerald.
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Yeah but, Boldin is a possession receiver that we desperately are in need of.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
either Mack or Smith then the meanest MLB
April 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dakota,
U know I disliked Lady Quinn coming out of college. His upside is Kyle Boller at best. So what he’s a workout warrior.
Over hyped coming out of college b/c he played for ND. Best part of the draft was seeing him fall back to earth in that green room.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Oher then Mack
April 15th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Draft Raji, I am so sick of watching mediocre running backs become the star of the week, running through our defense. It’s time to STOP the run.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
sure, draft more offense. then will we lose games 50 -40. doesnt matter how much we score if we cant stop the other team from scoring. we suck against the run. we will never win unless we get some #1 run stoppers like Raji. should have drafted nagoti from balt couple of years ago instead of huff. that was an art shell blunder. anyway, we have done nothing with defense in free agency this year which tells me we will suck again on defense. and we all know that games are won in the trenches. we improved our offensive line this year with pears and barnes. we need to work on defense with #7. there will still be good wr’s in round 2. best case, trade down (philly, jets or wash) and get ayers (1st round)and chung(2nd round) for defense and wr with either another 2nd round pick that we traded down for.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Most of these supplement hocking athletes are busts.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
April 8, 2009
By Pete Prisco
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
NFL teams still do not have the information as to whether any players failed drug tests at the league’s scouting combine in February — and won’t have that for at least another week or so.
Three league sources confirmed that the teams will not get that information until 10 days or so before the April 25 NFL draft, which makes the reports of failed drug tests mystifying to some league personnel.
“If it’s true, we don’t know,” said one team official. “We won’t get that until closer to the draft. I don’t know how that’s getting out.”
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So reports should start trickling out from teams pretty soon if Prisco is correct…could be as early as today.
The USC LB roiders are much worse than Raji smoking pot IMO, but we shall see.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Boldin is a good trade for #7 pick. Lot less expensive than #7, he’ll be happy with us because we’ll pay him more than he’s gettin, and only learning curve is learning a new offense. #7 pick Crabtree is good also but other than that keeping #7 is not a good idea value wise. Trade back if no Crabtree as we have lots of holes to fill/improve (LB, NT, S, T)
April 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Jhill, are you a USC fan? Is that why you keep overrating Sanchez and Rey Malawhifaluga?
April 15th, 2009 at 9:58 am
If you like a guy with stiff hips that can’t cover and misses a lot of tackles, Rey Malwhiffaluga is your guy according to the guys on NFLN.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Agree with Lynn – we need a go to guy that can move the chains and that Russell knows he can trust.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
NJRaiderfan
I think the Defense will be addressed in the draft heavily. That’s the biggest weakness and they’re not tipping their hand.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Rey is a two down Lber, not what we need.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am
PLEASE SAY NO TO RAJI. He is just another Darrel Russel in disguise. Pass on Raji, do the right thing Al.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:05 am
EVERYTHING IS WORSE THAN SMOKING POT
April 15th, 2009 at 10:06 am
As a matter of fact I am a SC fan. But I would like to think that I am an objective one. Didn’t want Leinart or Bush, or Jarrett.
As a matter of fact, I think the only SC player I have wanted recently is Khalil, and I barely wanted him over Satele.
The only two players I would want off of this team are Clay Matthews, Moala, or Maulauga.
And I am not biased against good players from ND. There was a bad arse DT a few years back from ND I wanted badly. I forget his name right now.
Regardless, Quinn = Boller!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
NJRaiderfan
I think the Defense will be addressed in the draft heavily. That’s the biggest weakness and they’re not tipping their hand.
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Yep, right after OT, and C/RG!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
hmmmmm, I thought so.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Rey is a two down Lber, not what we need.
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Says who? That’s just over analyzing. Dude would have easily been a top 5 pick last year. I just don’t see the problem.
He played every down in the PASS10, err PAC10 conference, and now he is all of a sudden a liability?
The plain and simple truth about it is he is head and shoulder better than Morrison at MLB. I don’t want a MLB who is best know for getting a few picks while playing in an underneath zone coverage, 2 YEARS AGO!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Need # 1 Defensive line depth + run stopper. Need #2 depth in the secondary (ie) another safety and a serviceable backup at corner. Need #3 someone to cover Russells blind side Need #4 play making wide receiver.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
If we don’t get a run stuffer our defense will SUCK again.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Rey M. would be fine…late round 1 or early round 2…just not with the #7 pick.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Trade with the Eagles:
1- M Oher
1- DHB
2- M Johnson/ Jarron Gilbert/ Brace
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Clinton McD/ DT: Sammie Lee/ T Taylor/ D Scott
7- OLB: Russell Allen SDSU, or Ty Sales Penn.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Say no to Raji. Mark my words, that guy will bust out of the NFL just like Darrel Russel.
Darrle “Raji” Russel.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
If we don’t get a run stuffer our defense will SUCK again.
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Dude, we simply had the worst Defensive Coordinator named Slob Ryan. Have some optimism fool.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
DRAFT MACLIN!!!!!!!if the Defense dont get any rest they will SUCK again.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Maybe but,no way at #7 Lber is not the weakest link on defense
April 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
DRus had 8 sacks his rookie season as a DT. Made the PB 3 times, but the man loved his drugs. RIP DRus.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am
DRus was a fuggin MORON.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Einstein, Cable has said our defensive philosophy will not change, he hopes for better execution….Better execution will only occur with better players, we need a run stuffer……No need to call me a fool, I’m just a Raider fan.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I’d be happy with Brinkley in the 2nd, or some other MLB I have never heard of that can actually play the position like it is suppossed to be played.
Brien is right! The last time we were decent against the run was when Biekert was our MLB. And he certainly wasn’t known for his ability to defend the pass.
And is Ray Lewis known for his pass defense? It is well documented that Ryan put him in certain positions on the field in passing situations to protect him. Put Rey Rey in the middle of the field on 3rd downs and I bet sproles doesn’t break a screen play for a TD TWICE is the same game.
Rey is who Cable is talking about when he says he knows what we need to beat SD on opening day. We all know LT and Sproles need to be stopped, as well as Gates. Huff on Gates, like 2 years ago, and Maulauga in the middle to stop the RBs.
Don’t you all remember LT off the left tackle walking into the endzone and then on camera smirking saying how easy that was?
All you have to do is put a paw on Morrison and Ricky Brown and they are as good as out of the play.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
He was 6′5 330 and ran a 4.89. Wow.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
no DHB!
If we trade down we should get some help on the lines. Oher, Brace or the best available DE.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Rey M. would be fine…late round 1 or early round 2…just not with the #7 pick.
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I don’t buy this later in the round stuff. At worst he is a top 15 player. If Andre Smith, Crabtree, Monroe, and Curry are gone when we pick, then I am not going to worry about being 5 or 6 picks to high. Denver will surely take him at 12, or someone in that range. Good enough for 12, but not 7? Ok fine, make a trade happen.
But I don’t want Maclin, Orakpo, Oher (well maybe Oher), Raji, DHB, or any other reaches over the so called reach for Rey Rey. Especially when we all know he would start day 1 over soft arse Morrison.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:25 am
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Einstein, Cable has said our defensive philosophy will not change, he hopes for better execution….Better execution will only occur with better players, we need a run stuffer……No need to call me a fool, I’m just a Raider fan.
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We all have our pics from the “heart” that we would like to see as Raiders. Raji is not the right guy.
If you think for one solitary second we are going to run the same defensive scheme Slob Ryan is, then sorry to say my friend, but you are a fool. Who cares what Cable said about it. Cable is a company man, and will say company lines to the media.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
He used to come to SD a lot to party.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Our problem with defense is MLB and Safety.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Rey Rey came back and ran a 4.65, and his hammy still isn’t 100%!
We were BEGGING for this guy to come out last year so we could get him. Dakota I specifically remember you telling me that we would not pick high enough this year to grab him.
Well he’s sitting right there for us!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Damn it Rockstar, I gave you a few good ones in the 2nd.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
the only way we draft Raji or trade down is if Andre Smith & Michael Crabtree are both off the board.
*** this is also assuming J. Smith, Monroe and Curry are gone ***
I’m fairly certain Maclin, Jenkins and Orakpo are out of the mix
April 15th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Our Defense was pretty good in the first half.But,the second half was a whole different story.Why is that,because the Offense couldn’t score in the first half and our Defense stayed on the field most of it.Now coming out for the second we are dead TIRED from busting our butts for our STINKING OFFENSE.Raider Fans we know the story after that.Its all to familiar,another Bad Loss.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I feel the Raiders are in a pretty awkward spot with the 7th overall pick in the draft. I know we need a big-time receiver, but…w/Miller, JWalker, Chaz, and JLHiggis, I feel we can be productive offensivly. Lets face it..we are a run 1st team and with Fargas, Bush, and DMAC..I’m happy with that sceme. Plus, I think JLH is on the verge of being a really productive receiver. It usually takes a WR two/four yrs to make an impact. We all know Miller is going to be a great TE. So I think O-line and Defense should be addressed in the first 3 rds.
After our off-season aquisitions in the O-line..I think Al will focus on the d-fense with #7..BJ Raji/Tyson Jackson/Malcom Jenkins (safety). I’d be happy with any of those three.
2nd RD..I still think we should address this terrible defense..I’d take Larry English, DE/OLB-Evander Hood DT- Clint Sintim, DE/OLB.
3rd Rd- Best player available..hopefully a receiver like Derrick Williams or Juaquin Iglesias slip into this RD. But there will be solid value to add depth to our offensive line-Jamon Meredith,Phil Loadholt, or Kraig Urbik G would all sure up the future of this line.
My point is…with a good o-line, DMAC/Bush, Miller & JLH (both young up and comers) this offense should be productive. I think defense is the issue and defense should be addressed in this draft!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Einstein Says:
If you think for one solitary second we are going to run the same defensive scheme Slob Ryan is, then sorry to say my friend, but you are a fool. Who cares what Cable said about it. Cable is a company man, and will say company lines to the media.
You’re exactly right, Cable is a company man. Al dictates what type of defense we run. There will be nothing new, 4/3 DBs playing man to man, very little blitzing. Our DTs are weak. Our MLB should be playing outside. We need some big mean run stuffers in the middle. If you can’t see that, then you shouldn’t be calling anyone a fool.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Raider O Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:17 am
DRus had 8 sacks his rookie season as a DT. Made the PB 3 times, but the man loved his drugs. RIP DRus.
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D Russ could have been a HOFer if he put his mind to it! The man had all the talent in the world. Regan Upshaw had the right attitude, we need someone like him on the D-line now.
First and foremost we must support J-Mac with OL, and WR/TE!
April 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Rockstar, what about Oher? Personally, I’d prefer him or Rey over Raji. And draft DL in Rd. 2.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Trade with the Eagles:
1- M Oher
1- DHB
2- M Johnson/ Jarron Gilbert/ Brace
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Clinton McD/ DT: Sammie Lee/ T Taylor/ D Scott
7- OLB: Russell Allen SDSU, or Ty Sales Penn.
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I like this for the most part. Except I’d take Brace where you have us taking DHB.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Nobody is talking about the Raiders drafting M. Jenkins..why not? We need a productive safety and I think Jenkings is going to be a very solid FS/Nickel/CB in the NFL.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
You’re exactly right, Cable is a company man. Al dictates what type of defense we run. There will be nothing new, 4/3 DBs playing man to man, very little blitzing. Our DTs are weak. Our MLB should be playing outside. We need some big mean run stuffers in the middle. If you can’t see that, then you shouldn’t be calling anyone a fool.
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Ok genious, so then what do we do with Tommy Kelly, TURDell Sands, and Gerard Warren? Cut them? Trade them? Bench them? Can’t do any of those things, they are overpaid. So based on your theory lets just draft ANOTHER DT, pay him a high salary at the number 7 pick (MIND YOU DT’s are some of the highest paid positions in the NFL) and have yet ANOTHER high priced overpaid underachieving DT.
Wow, you have all the ideas to fix our defense.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
YEP A HUGE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE IS MLB if we had one,a real nasty stinking hung-over MLB,yeah
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Knowing what we know now, would you take Zach Miller at #7 overall in this years draft?
Is Zach Miller worth #7?
I say YES! We tradded down to get him, but he has shown everyone he was steal!
Who has added more to this team so far McFaddy, or Mr. Miller?
April 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
As much as I like Kirk Morrison….. he is soft.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Einstein Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
You’re exactly right, Cable is a company man. Al dictates what type of defense we run. There will be nothing new, 4/3 DBs playing man to man, very little blitzing. Our DTs are weak. Our MLB should be playing outside. We need some big mean run stuffers in the middle. If you can’t see that, then you shouldn’t be calling anyone a fool.
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Ok genious, so then what do we do with Tommy Kelly, TURDell Sands, and Gerard Warren? Cut them? Trade them? Bench them? Can’t do any of those things, they are overpaid. So based on your theory lets just draft ANOTHER DT, pay him a high salary at the number 7 pick (MIND YOU DT’s are some of the highest paid positions in the NFL) and have yet ANOTHER high priced overpaid underachieving DT.
Wow, you have all the ideas to fix our defense.
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Yep, so draft Oher then Mack! Play them wherever they fit best! With that, Cable, and the FA we signed our OL would be top notch!! BET
April 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
what about Oher? Personally, I’d prefer him or Rey over Raji. And draft DL in Rd. 2.
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I doubt anyone would take Oher over Raji due to all the hype and the lack of talented DT’s this draft. Every team needs a run stuffer DT and Raji is the creme of the crop. However, with Cable being an o-line guy and wanting to protect Russell I doubt he’d pass on Oher if we trade down. I don’t know much about Rey Rey. I think Kirk Morrison is the MLB next year (like it or not)
April 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am
The Raiders will be the only running team in the AFC west this year , KC Denver and SD will be more of a pass first offense than in the past years. We are going to need pass rushers to counter.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Nobody is talking about the Raiders drafting M. Jenkins..why not? We need a productive safety and I think Jenkings is going to be a very solid FS/Nickel/CB in the NFL.
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Malcolm Jenkins will be a stud CB in this league. The Raiders need a SS. We don’t need to replace Chris Johnson or Michael Huff yet. Patrick Chung would be a nice safety to get our hands on – especially if we trade down. Take Oher & Brace at the bottom on Round 1 and Chung with our 2nd rounder. best available DE & OLB in Rounds 3 and 4. size/speed project WR in Round 7 (like always)
April 15th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Einstein, I give up, you’re the genius here. If we have any overpaid players that suck, we should just keep them and never draft anyone to replace them. You’re right again. Let’s just stay with the status quo and not try to improve the worst running defense in the league. Excellent solution, maybe The Al should have hired you to replace Kiffin, or at least to replace Slob Ryan. I didn’t say it had to be Raji, although I do like him. But I totally believe that we need some “Big Uglies” in the middle of our defense. Just because we signed these guys for way too much money doesn’t mean it has to stay that way. I sitll think Tommy Kelly can do the job, But Turdell just doesn’t have the motor, and he doesn’t show the desire. Green looks slow and old. Kelly needs help, last years three man rotation and DT did not get the job done. You can disagree with a lot of what I say, but you have to agree that those three guys are not the answer.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Safety will be addressed in this draft guaranteed . You know Al loves his DBs.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
why did we trade draft picks for Samson Satele?
to be our backup center & backup guard in the zbs?
we are not going to draft Alex Mack unless we make Satele or Mack play RG and bench Cooper Carlisle.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Teeth
No way are those three guys the answer. But our hands are tied with Sands and Kelly based on their salaries. We are already eating DeCrapalo Hall and Javon Walker. It must not make fiscal sense or the Raiders would have done something with TurdHell and Tommy by now don’t you think? It probably just isn’t feasible based on previous bad decisions so now they are more than likely stuck. These are the very reasons as to why we shouldn’t and can’t sign Raji, not to mention he will more than likely be another DRuss.
I understand your “heart” is with Raji, but think of the overall picture. We all can’t have our favorite players in Silver and Black, it just doesn’t work that way.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
why did we trade draft picks for Samson Satele?
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Because we are dumb.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:03 am
LMFAO Dakota #65
April 15th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Jhill,
I was as high on Rey as anyone because of the USC hype machine…but now that he is being looked at as an NFL prospect people are seeing the holes in his game at the next level. It happens to a lot of guys. I understand your frustration.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am
why did we trade draft picks for Samson Satele?
to be our backup center & backup guard in the zbs?
we are not going to draft Alex Mack unless we make Satele or Mack play RG and bench Cooper Carlisle.
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That is right! the best between Mack and Satele plays C, the loser of that battle and Carlisle compete for RG.
LT LG C RG RT
Henderson Big 76 Satele Mack Oher
Back ups
Barnes P. McQuistan Mack Morris Pears
Mark Wilson Morris Morris
If we keep 8 OL it should be Henderson, 76, Satele, Mack, Oher, Barnes, McQuisty, Morris, if 9 add Wilson
April 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am
The Raiders will be the only running team in the AFC west this year , KC Denver and SD will be more of a pass first offense than in the past years. We are going to need pass rushers to counter.
Nice Post
April 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Dakota LOLOLOL
April 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am
16-0
April 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
If we keep 8 OL it should be Henderson, 76, Satele, Mack, Oher, Barnes, McQuisty, Morris, if 9 add Wilson
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I think we’ll keep Barnes, Henderson, Johnson, Pears, Gallery, Carlisle, Satele and Wade. That leaves no depth at guard (like last year).
McQuistan, Morris, Wilson, Marten and Green will be looking for work elsewhere …
April 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am
this is shaping up 2B a real nice off-season,Lots-n-lots of good old fashioned competition.Just like Cable, old-fashioned,strong work ethic,imo
April 15th, 2009 at 11:22 am
hint…
Q: See a guy who fits what you do at the tackle spot?
Cable: There’s four of them. There’s four of them that are outstanding at that position. Outstanding.
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i think we are drafting a OT guys, have four Tackles and a Center starting on the OL and set a new trend in the process…
cuz actually i like the idea of having that typ of athlete across the lineup vs all the fancy stunts we are gonna face in the faster 34 defensive front 7s…all we need is that RERLIABLE PASSPROTECTOR to put the cap on the whole thing. a guy who doesnt need help doin it…
im not sure we have that guy on the roster so i am officially on the Andre Smith (Jr) bandwagon, a player who was a Top 3 lock before ShirtGate and the combine, cause he was a three year starter/dominator at the second most important position (at least on the offensive side of the ball). if hes there, we have to break the record for fastest pick in draft history and jump this guy…..period. imo.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am
shirt-gate =)
April 15th, 2009 at 11:28 am
4eva and Einstein I am with you on Rey Maual… the dude is a stud middle linebacker in the mold of Ray Lewis: he just doesn’t have the body count. The dude has instincts and is a play maker. He has made play after play for the past few years at USC. Even when Keith Rivers was taken high last year, i thought I would take Rey M over him without a doubt.
Raji has bust written all over him: i know he can choose to make the right choices but the dudes past filled issues dealing with a lack of motivation and drug use. Where there is smoke there is fire. you do not want to give a slacker a boat load of money and say we think we can keep this kid motivated.
Look at Jamarcus. He was a high character guy coming out who was close to his mom and grandma. Now he is constantly being nailed for his lack of effort and motivation and not fulfilling promise. Raji will without a doubt be the same way.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I know it won’t happen, but we need to shore up the middle of the field = DT: RAJI/BRACE MLB: REY MALAUGA SAFETY: ???
There are really good WR in 2nd and 3rd rounds
April 15th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Andre smith has too much baggage as well. He made himself ineligible for the bowl game by flirting with Agents too early. He showed up to the combine out of shape: not prepared for the biggest interview of his life. He left the combine early making a fool out of himself and again showing his disregard for the rules and norms that everyone is expected to follow such as with the agent-bowl game debacle. He has recently fired his agent right before the draft again showing there is just too much dysfunction going on with this young man. Your agent should be out there positioning you and selling the world on how you are the next great stud. He fires him for what?
I would rather take Raji and I have voiced my reservations with raji many times.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Crabtree, oher and Rey M are really the only true options that high. Maclin is a good player but is just not worth consideration that high.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Rey Lewis doesn’t miss tackles…Rey M. does. Please do not disrespect Rey Lewis like that.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Just for the record. If we did trade with the eagles for both their first round picks(21st and 28th I believe). Micheal Oher will be gone by our first pick. The niners might even pick him at 10. Im all for fixing the defence, but I also believe you shouldn’t put WR at the bottom of the list. My dream draft would be…..
1-Alex Mack(I know its still concidered a reach but since have the raiders cared what the media think?)
1-Ron Brace(See above comment. Both picks from eagles trade)
2-Vagughn(I know its spelled incorrectly but im referring to the safety. Sounds like a raider pick, safety in the second?)
2-WR from cal poly(always had a hard time remembering his name but he’s 6′5 or 6′6. Don’t know what kind of speed he has though. Open to any reciever at this point though. Also this if we get a second out of the eagles.)
3-OL/DE
4-LB
7-Best available
Quick food for thought. Profootballtalk.com posted a story today saying the eagles are intrested in Andre Smith. Smith is concidered a top 10 pick. So I say we call the eagles and offer a trade or we will take andre(not a big stretch as far as the league is concerned) if they bite we pull the trigger and trade. But we’ll see if dreams really do come true or if ill get Bit(hed slapped back to reality.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Sorry Ray!! RAY LEWIS…not Rey Lewis….don’t kill me bro!
April 15th, 2009 at 11:39 am
I said I was sorry Ray!!!!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/3072203627_8891f3a35a.jpg
April 15th, 2009 at 11:41 am
who farted?
April 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am
so that was the weapon in question
April 15th, 2009 at 11:44 am
TRADE DOWN or ELSE!!! gotta go
April 15th, 2009 at 11:46 am
ProFootballTalk.com reported Tuesday that Iowa tight end Brandon Myers is scheduled to visit the Raiders some time this week.
He was honorable mention All-Big Ten last season and posted decent numbers at his Pro Day workout.
Myers isn’t regarded as among the top tight ends available in this year’s NFL Draft. It’s possible that the Raiders could wait until the seventh round or until after the draft to snag Myers if they like what they see and hear in their visit this week.
-Raider Beat
April 15th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Rey M. is the best mlb to come out in recent memory. He has been a coveted blue chipper for too long and the talking heads have found chinks in his armor. You aere just buying into this foolery. when you watch Rey M. play you see a stud line backer that makes plays, you don’t say he has stiff hips, I am not sure if he can drop back into coverage, he sure does miss tackles. You say damn he just killed that guy and he is always around the ball. don’t fool yourself
April 15th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Raider Beat’s mock draft has Andre Smith going to Cincy. Then the Raiders take Crabtree and the Jags take Raji
very likely scenario …
April 15th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Dre Smith DOMINATED (wassup MR) from HS to College. just made a bad choice picking his agent, the one he just fired i assume, at the end of his amateur carreer, period.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:55 am
DickV, I guess the guys at NFLN that watch the footage of Rey sure think he misses a lot of tackles and it will only get worse when he has to go up against the most talented players in the world….
Go with Rey if you like whiff whiff ohhhh lot at that big hit! whiff whiff whiff oooooh look at that big hit! I’d rather just have a sure tackler playing MLB for the Raiders, like Biekert. I say enough poor tackling from Sweigert to last me a lifetime.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Drafting Mack make C and RG better no matter who wins.
Drafting Oher make LT better no matter who wins.
We are set at LG, so if we draft Oher then Mack ALL of the OL will be BETTER
April 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I took it Cable was saying there were 4 Tackles that would fit. I think those 4 Tackles are J. Smith, Monrow, A. Smith, and Oher.
In that order.
Now I get the feeling Cable and the rest will evaluate where these 4 Tackles fit with other players.
Curry being the more then likey rating higher then everyone except maybe J.Smith and Monrow. While Crabtree falling somewhere between Monrow and A. Smith.
To me, it’s all good.
The Raiders trade down and will get two solid player for the next 7-10 years.
They pick A. Smith – no more wories at LT or LG for the next 5 years.
They pick Crabtree – WR is set for the next 7 years.
They pick Raji – Run D should get better (still not sold on Raji)
At this point, I’m leaning towards wanting one of the LTs. In order of importance, you build a team from the line out. With OL being most important and for Cable, you build the line from out in, makeing the LT and RT the most important players on a team.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Al Davis has a word he likes to use. It’s “dominate”. Aren’t you scared, NFL?
April 15th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I hate the Bungholes!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Al Davis has a word he likes to use. It’s “dominate”. Aren’t you scared, NFL?
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I dunno MR. “liar” and “speed” are also pretty high on the list …
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Al Davis has a word he likes to use. It’s “dominate”. Aren’t you scared, NFL?
Has anyone heard from Dude lately
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Tom Cable just dominated a bag of chips
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
If Rey falls to the Raiders in the 2nd round, it’s a no brainer. The only way he falls to the 2nd round is if everyone is convinced Rey is a 2 down LB. With Howard and Morrison playing very well on 3rd down, this would work in the Raiders favor to have Rey for two downs.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
[...] -Who are the Raiders going to take at number 7? Here are the top four choices. Share and Enjoy: [...]
April 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Yeh, trolls, there’s only one person who comes in here and tells the truth about Al Davis, me. And I post under all of the names of others who do so. I’m actually the entire nation collective.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I hate the Bengholes!!!
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Dakota: Andre Smith’s supposed “red flags” are not going to scare them away from drafting Oher over him or passing on a tackle all together …
They signed Tank Johnson and resigned Cedric Benson this offseason! plus Chris Henry remains on the roster
April 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RRR i see them taking Raji since they saw first hand what he can do in the Senior Bowl, kinda like how we found Kirk…
who im afraid of SEA, where Walter Jones is a big concern. but i also have them being the first surprise in the draft with Wells if they think Jones will be healthy coming off microfracture surgery.
thats said there could be three OTs gone in the first four imo
April 15th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Trolls, you should use your detective skills to figure out who your dad is.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Too bad Rey isn’t going to be sitting in the NFL green room on draft day…so my money is on Freeman to be “Quinned” (with Cushing a close second). Get your popcorn ready!
Players that will be in the Green Room:
Three tackles (Baylor’s Jason Smith, Virginia’s Eugene Monroe and Mississippi’s Michael Oher), two quarterbacks (Georgia’s Matthew Stafford and Kansas State’s Josh Freeman), two linebackers (Wake Forest’s Aaron Curry and Southern Cal’s Brian Cushing), Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Tom Cable just dominated a bag of chips
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Terdell Sands just dominated the local Hometown Buffet
Golden Corral is on tomorrow’s TO DO LIST.
who says he’s not motivated?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
The mystery 4 positions of need in the draft?
1. Safety, Cable pretty much spelled this one out at the presser.
2. Left Tackle, also mentioned by Cable at the presser, and some LT’s have visited.
3. Defensive Tackle, I think the signing of Boschetti signals that Cable, Marshall and Board are aware of major problems in the interior D-line. They got a guy that Cable knows can set a tone at practice, perhaps in the hopes that he will groom an elite rookie.
4. Wide Reciever, Despite all the talk that Al loves his WR’s, I think Cable wants another top guy, so that he does not have to lean on Javon Walker too much longer. Considering Crabtree’s pedigree, I think he will have an easier time convincing Al to get him, and it might be Al that says NO to Maclin, if Crabtree is taken already.
thoughts?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Hey Bungholes…Beanie Wells would look great in orange and black!!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Haven’t seen this many pissed off white people since the OJ verdict.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM
April 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Trolls, you should use your detective skills to figure out who your dad is.
I used them to figure out who my biatch is
April 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Speaking of OJ…Hulk Hogan says he “Totally understands OJ”…Hulk seems a little angry at his wife and the divorce proceedings, lol.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Bungholes will take Orakpo or Raji….I hope.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Trolls, you’re just acting bizarre today. I know who you are, too. You’re pathetic. Stop stalking me.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
# Ryan Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
If Rey falls to the Raiders in the 2nd round, it’s a no brainer. The only way he falls to the 2nd round is if everyone is convinced Rey is a 2 down LB. With Howard and Morrison playing very well on 3rd down, this would work in the Raiders favor to have Rey for two downs.
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I’ve heard this chatter about Maualuga possibly slipping to the end of the 1st or even to the 2nd round and I definitely don’t buy it. Maybe if he fails a drug test, holds up a convenience store and leaves a flaming bag of dog pooh on Commisioner Goodell’s lawn, then — maybe — he slips to Round 2.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I’m pretty sure Bill Romanowski could tear up Hulk Hogan if he was still taking his “prescriptions”
Hulk was awesome 20 years ago. Now he’s a joke – kind of like Ozzy
these guys should have put money away back in their prime. now they have to embarass themselves and their families on national TV to earn a dollar.
MC Hammer & Vanilla Ice might as well make a reality show together …
April 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I’ve heard this chatter about Maualuga possibly slipping to the end of the 1st or even to the 2nd round and I definitely don’t buy it. Maybe if he fails a drug test, holds up a convenience store and leaves a flaming bag of dog pooh on Commisioner Goodell’s lawn, then — maybe — he slips to Round 2.
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LOL. Malalala will be a denver donkey if Raji isn’t there at #12
April 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Now I am getting paranoid about the Bengals taking Andre Smith!!!
Here to hoping that Sanchez gets drafted by the Seahawks (although I don’t think it will happen!!!)
Det-Stafford
STL-J.Smith
KC-Curry
Sea-Sanchez
Clev-Crabtree
Bungholes-Monroe
Raiders-A.SMITH!!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
If we keep 8 OL it should be Henderson, 76, Satele, Mack, Oher, Barnes, McQuisty, Morris, if 9 add Wilson
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I think we’ll keep Barnes, Henderson, Johnson, Pears, Gallery, Carlisle, Satele and Wade. That leaves no depth at guard (like last year).
McQuistan, Morris, Wilson, Marten and Green will be looking for work elsewhere …
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If that is the case we are not going anywheressss
April 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RaiderRockStar, you’ve never been rich so how do you know what you would do if you became rich? You might piss your money away, too.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Trolls, you’re just acting bizarre today. I know who you are, too. You’re pathetic. Stop stalking me.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Being able to stay rich is tricky. You need someone to manage your finances, and they can screw you too. Vultures are all around. You have relatives from every corner of your family proposing some kind of business idea to you. If you ignore them, they’ll hold a grudge. At first you might buy a small house but then at some point you say to yourself, “I made it, why don’t I spoil myself?”. You buy a fat, multi million dollar pad and now you’re got that on your shoulders. Rich people going broke is like getting burnt in a fire. Nobody thinks it can happen to them, but the people that it happened to never planned on it happening…
April 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Anyways, back to Raider football. Has Al Davis retired yet?
April 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
# BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
The mystery 4 positions of need in the draft?
1. Safety, Cable pretty much spelled this one out at the presser.
2. Left Tackle, also mentioned by Cable at the presser, and some LT’s have visited.
3. Defensive Tackle, I think the signing of Boschetti signals that Cable, Marshall and Board are aware of major problems in the interior D-line. They got a guy that Cable knows can set a tone at practice, perhaps in the hopes that he will groom an elite rookie.
4. Wide Reciever, Despite all the talk that Al loves his WR’s, I think Cable wants another top guy, so that he does not have to lean on Javon Walker too much longer. Considering Crabtree’s pedigree, I think he will have an easier time convincing Al to get him, and it might be Al that says NO to Maclin, if Crabtree is taken already.
thoughts?
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Safety: Sign FA Roy Williams
Left Tackle: Phil Loadholt in Round 2. The kid from Penn State in Round 4 if we don’t take an OT early. I could live with Oher or Smith at No. 7 though.
Defensive Tackle: With the money already being paid to Kelly, Warren & Sands and the signing of Cable’s boy Boschetti and the re-signing of William Joseph, I think the Raiders may stand pat with the DTs already on roster. My apologies to the BJ Raji Fan Club.
Wide Receiver: Maclin or Crabtree in Round 1. Kenny Britt in Round 2 if the Raiders take Maualuga or an OT in Round 1. If the Raiders don’t take a WR in Round 1 and Britt is gone before Round 2, I wouldn’t take a later project guy except maybe DJ Boldin or the speedster from Ole Miss in Round 7. I’d sign Amani Toomer if we don’t walk away with Maclin, Crabtree or Britt.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
If that is the case we are not going anywheressss
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DR: Cable prides himself on taking a bunch of nobodys and forming a solid o-line. he’s all about giving guys second and third chances (like Davis) in a new system. Finds a guy that was too weak in a power blocking scheme, but was quick with good feet and thinks they can be a starter here in Oakland. Finds smart players who come cheap and have something to prove. All you can do is hope for the best. I think we may draft an OT in Round 2, hence the Meredith & Loadloadt interviews the past few days …
April 15th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
04/13/2009 S Hiram Eugene Re-Signed
April 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Nation,
Did I miss anything since being on vacation in Cabo for a week besides the solid Garcia signing you crazies? haha
I would still rather have starters who will play every down like Crabtree, A Smith, or Oher ahead of an overweight rotational DT like Raji who will end up being platooned and who was dumb enough to test positive for drugs before the draft. Of course these players drug test haven’t been “officially” confirmed because agents and teams do not want it to hurt there draft status.
If we take Maclin ahead of Crabtree, Heyward-Bey, A Smith, Oher….I will be disappointed. I would rather have Heyward-Bey ahead of Maclin! He is bigger, stronger and faster!
Went to the epic A’s game last night to see them win the series against the OVERRATED chowdah head Red Sucks! Freakin freezing last night!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Hiram Eugene Re-Signed
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boom shakalaka! Raiders for AFC West Champs
April 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I hope Obama takes the names of every one of these redneck rubes out there in the streets today, and taxes them 90%. Then I hope he contracts collections to street gangs. Arm the street gangs with artillery (in addition to their own supply), badges, search and seizure warrants, and stickers with American flags on them that say, “I paid my taxes!”
April 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
If Maclin were in last years draft class he’d be a 2nd rounder like all the rest of those guys.
Crabtree would still be a Top 10 draft pick.
that should tell you an awful lot when debating Crabs vs. Maclin, it’s not even a fair comparison
DHB & Britt are projects. Just like Nicks & Barden
April 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Dakota Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Now I am getting paranoid about the Bengals taking Andre Smith!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dakota
The operative word is “Now” It seems to me you were getting “paranoid” last year at this time, regarding your DMAC pick.
Just lean back, stop drooling on your keyboard and take a deep breath. Everything will be fine and you will save yourself some stress and hair loss or gray hairs.
The bungholes will not dictate the draft direction, Seattle will, if Smith is drafted before us, so be it.
When you goto the gym, double your reps on the bench, you’ll feel much better.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
MR: Obama is a powerful man
he turned Rick Warren into a homo supporter
April 15th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
If Maclin were in last years draft class he’d be a 2nd rounder like all the rest of those guys.
Crabtree would still be a Top 10 draft pick.
^^^^^^
Exactly!
April 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I wouldn’t read too much into the guys that thet Raiders have brought in or are allegedly interested in (aside from the Big Four), except that they could be the fallback choices if the guy we really want at a particular position is gone when we pick, or if the unprecedented happens and we trade out of #7.
I agree with Jerry about A. Smith and Crabtree, not so sure about Oher and Raji. Personally, I’d be very disappointed if both Crabtree and Smith are gone at #7 because I think the talent level drops off after that. Crabtree and Smith are dominant players at their respective positions; Oher is not as good as Smith and I don’t like Raji for two reasons; one, he would most likely be a rotational player on the D-line, and two, I think he’s a bust waiting to happen.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Lions are bringing in Ronald Curry for a visit….ha ha…good luck with o’ butterfingers.
3rd and 12 and the Lions 22 yard line. Here’s the snap, Stafford drops back to pass, the pocket is collapsing, oh he’s got a man open,….he dropped the ball, Curry dropped the ball again, it slipped right through his fingers!
April 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
LOL
April 15th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Since we are playing our toughest opponents away and in the snow don’t you think we should draft nothing more than guys who can stop the run and help us run the ball?
OT, DT, MLB, SS , you fill in the names.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
ooooooohhhhhhh mmmmyyyyyyy lol
April 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
ohio state players always suck in the nfl
April 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
We can grab a WR and DE with other 2 picks.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Lions are bringing in Ronald Curry for a visit
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ooo. bring back that Culpepper/Curry connection from their Oakland days. that chemistry worked wonders before. nothing but the finest in Detroit.
Isn’t their DC the old DC from KC?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I think I know why Andre Smith took off his shirt at his pro day…watch this video I found…his teammates took their shirts off too…damned peer pressure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiA05_3Cio8
April 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
1. Smith/ Raji
2. Brace/ Meredith
3. Brinkley/ Follett
4. Chung
April 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Guys the Raiders should look at with projected round (where I would consider them) in parenthesis:
OT:
– Michael Oher, Ole Miss (1)
– Andre Smith, Alabama (1)
– Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma (2)
– Gerald Cadogan, Penn State (4)
Other O-line:
– Alex Mack, Cal (2)
– Duke Robinson, Oklahoma (2)
– Jon Cooper, C, Oklahoma (7)
– Blake Schlueter, C, TCU (7)
– Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU (7)
TE:
– Anthony Smith, NC State (4)
– Bear Pascoe, Fresno State (5-7*)
WR:
– Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech (1)
– Jeremy Maclin, Missouri (1)
– Kenny Britt, Rutgers, (2)
– Mike Wallace, Ole Miss (6*)
– Tiquan Underwood, Rutgers (7)
– DJ Boldin, Wake Forest (7)
DE:
– Michael Johnson, G Tech (2)
– Paul Kruger, Utah (3)
– Jeremy Navarre, Maryland (7)
MLB:
– Rey Maualuga, USC (1)
– Jasper Brinkley, S. Carolina (3)
– Darry Beckwith, LSU (3)
OLB:
– Zach Follet, California (3-4)
– Nic Harris, Oklahoma (5*)
S:
– Louis Delmas, W. Michigan (2)
– Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest (3)
– Rashad Johnson, Alabama (3)
*I know we don’t have 5th or 6th rounders but if we acquire one through trade
April 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Looks like we are hitting the consensus final 4.
Crabtree
A. Smith
M. Oher
BJ RAJI
I don’t see Crabtree getting past Cleveland with the pending Braylon Edwards trade and Cincinnati has no LT so A. Smith will most likely be gone.
So when the Commissioner goes “The Oakland Raiders are on the Clock” queue ESPN to get the Raji highlights ready.
With the 7th pick, the Oakland Raiders select….
April 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Again, I think we’re in a very good position to get skilled players where we need them.
If we don’t trade down?
1.) WR Michael Crabtree / OT Michael Oher
2.) OTs Phil Loadholt or Jamon Meredith / WR Ramses Barden
If we do?
1. WR Darius Heyward-Bey
1. DT Peria Jerry
2. OTs Phil Loadholt or Jamon Meredith
3. S David Bruton
4. LB Zack Follett
… and maybe a solid blocking tight end in the 7th round.
If we don’t trade down or if Raji doesn’t fall in our laps at #7, I don’t think we’ll take a DT. Especially given Tommy Kelly’s huge contract and the number of DTs already on our roster.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
If Maclin were in last years draft class he’d be a 2nd rounder like all the rest of those guys.
Crabtree would still be a Top 10 draft pick.
that should tell you an awful lot when debating Crabs vs. Maclin, it’s not even a fair comparison
DHB & Britt are projects. Just like Nicks & Barden
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What are you basing that on? Why would Maclin be projected as a top-10 pick in a decent WR class (2009) but a 2nd-round pick in a lousy WR class (2008)? Makes no sense.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Al goes for Big NAME three years running…
Crabtree.
I can live with or with out Crabtree…either way, Miller get’s more receptions this year (again) than our #1 WR (whoever that might be).
Freaking Walker is on our team for 2 more years….even with a restructured contract, Walker is being payed to PLAY not ride the pine.
SO Crabtree and Walker, and the hell with JLH and Chaz’s development??
Well, I made this same arguement when we drafted DMac with Fargas, Bush, et al on the team.
I can see one of our WRs being traded (not Walker, we can’t) and Crabtree is the pick.
Why? Because it is the least logical and therefore makes sense to Al.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
edward teach Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I wouldn’t read too much into the guys that thet Raiders have brought in or are allegedly interested in (aside from the Big Four), except that they could be the fallback choices if the guy we really want at a particular position is gone when we pick, or if the unprecedented happens and we trade out of #7.
I agree with Jerry about A. Smith and Crabtree, not so sure about Oher and Raji. Personally, I’d be very disappointed if both Crabtree and Smith are gone at #7 because I think the talent level drops off after that. Crabtree and Smith are dominant players at their respective positions; Oher is not as good as Smith and I don’t like Raji for two reasons; one, he would most likely be a rotational player on the D-line, and two, I think he’s a bust waiting to happen.
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If Crabtree or A Smith are not there at #7….the Raiders need to TRADE the hell DOWN!!
April 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
You can build a team two-ways…lay a foundation from the trenches oe build a team with position players…
You build a foundation when your team is f^kd and on a losing skid…that is your 2009 Oakland Raiders.
Building with position players is a luxury for teams with a foundation like the Pats or Steelers.
Yeah, hate to miss out on the next Randy Moss, but all of you saw what happened when we had Moss but know foundation.
Build the foundation Al…
April 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Dakota, what the hell is wrong with your Cubs today? Biggest favorite on the board today, took them on the run-line, and they can’t score on Marquis.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
1. LT
2. WR
3. DT
4. SS
It sounds like they definitely want a LT with one of the first two picks. It also sounds like they want a WR and Safety within the first three picks. That leaves the 4th pick for DT (unless Raji is the pick). This draft should shake down based on who is available at #7.
1. Crabtree/Smith/Oher/Raji
2. Meredith/Harvin/Loadholt/Barden/Chung/S. Smith
3. Chip Vaughn/Barden/Derrick Williams/Juaquin Iglesias
4. DT’s T. Knighton/C. Baker/T. Taylor
7. Tight End or LB
UDFA. Michael Mitchell, Frank Summers, Jason Phillips, Jason Williams, Zach Follett
April 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
post 48 ELWAY & Einstein:
Good knowledge and awareness into the inter-workings of Al Davis and who will run the defense and what kind of defense it will be. Nothing has changed in that area and there is no reason to expect any change now…it is what it is! With that in mind, I expect Davis will draft the faster safety, CB or wide-receiver available, talent being a minor consideration.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
MAY I REMIND SOME PEOPLE.MACLIN HAD 102 REC 1260 YARDS 13 TD`S.CRABTREE 97 REC 1165 YARDS 19 TD`S.IF HE IS A SECOND ROUND TALENT SO IS CRABTREE.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Michael Huff…I rest my case.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Here’s what I think the Raiders will do on draft day.
1. B.J Raji, DT
2. Jamon Meredith, OT
3. Ramses Barden, WR
4. Chip Vaughn, S
April 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Chris in NY… I like your board.
As for the people that think we shouldn’t draft Crabtree, well, you’d better come up with more compelling reasons than you have so far:
Javon Walker’s restructuring just makes him easier to cut. Not as much of a cap hit if he’s not 100% or his head’s not in the game.
Crabtree will help the young guys by drawing coverage away from them, and if he “keeps them for developing” it means that he’s a better player and should be on the field instead of them anyway. Can’t understand why you wouldn’t want to significantly upgrade maybe the weakest position on the team.
A weapon like that demands attention from opposing defenses. It helps the running game and allows other receivers (Miller included) to do their thing with less attention paid to them.
We also get a few more first downs and have a legitimate red zone threat, which puts less pressure on the defense.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Chad Reuter is a Senior Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com
Rey Maualuga, ILB, Southern Cal (12-16, 23-27): He made some money by running well at his pro day, erasing teams’ memory of his hamstrung workout at the combine. And few in college football made bigger hits over the past couple of seasons. But there aren’t many inside linebackers taken in the mid-first round, especially when teams have concerns about their character, instincts and ability to be a three-down player.
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ouch
April 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
MAY I REMIND SOME PEOPLE.MACLIN HAD 102 REC 1260 YARDS 13 TD`S.CRABTREE 97 REC 1165 YARDS 19 TD`S.IF HE IS A SECOND ROUND TALENT SO IS CRABTREE.
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Exactly. People try to diminish Maclin’s receiving ability because he returned punts/kicks too. Why?
Maclin is more like Tim Brown coming out of college than he is like JLH. Maclin and Brown — who are the exact same size — were both accoplished WRs and return guys in college against top-notch competition.
Nothing against JLH. He was our most exciting weapon last year. I’m excited to see what he can do going forward. But Maclin is about 20 pounds heavier and is a much more polished receiver coming out of college. I certainly wouldn’t say Maclin is as good as Tim Brown coming out of college. Then again, Timmy is the best receiver in the history of the franchise, so if Maclin can get anywhere near that he’d be worth the No. 7 pick.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Whoever we draft in the first 4 slots, we’ll be reading more positives than negatives…that happens every year.
It’s the nature of the beast and our desire to justify our situation in a positive light. Nothing wrong with that.
Like most of you, I just hope we’re pleasantly surprised and that Davis goes for needs in our defensive line first and needs in our offensive line second. The WR and Safety slots aren’t as pressing. However, that’s a big reach on my part. Davis will probably do the opposite, he usually does.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think part of the reason for the “success” at the end of the year for JLH and Schilens, was that nobody was really paying much attention to them. If they are our starters, with teams actually studying film on them, they might get eaten up by some good secondaries.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
1. crabtree
2. brace dt boston college
3. chris clemmons ss clemson
4. jason williams olb western illinois
April 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RR, Obama is so powerful he turned the whole GOP into teabaggers!
April 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Draft offensive and defensive linemen in the first two rounds, and then pick up the rest later in the draft.
The game is won on the line.
We should have done this last year. If we had, we would be set at left tackle for years to come. As it is, we drafted a fragile running back with a good 40 time. When will Al learn?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
vegas r is right
April 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
i think schilens is legitimate though
April 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think part of the reason for the “success” at the end of the year for JLH and Schilens, was that nobody was really paying much attention to them. If they are our starters, with teams actually studying film on them, they might get eaten up by some good secondaries.
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Same could be said of Tom Cable and the last two games. I hope Tom gave thanks for the Cadillac Williams injury.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
it wasnt williams injury we were playing better than them at that point in the season
April 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Vegas Raider
Not necessary so. You can study all the film you want, but if you don’t have the personnel to implement what needs to be done … then it’s all for not. Example: DeAngelo Hall.
He’s ok (fair) in a zone coverage, but couldn’t and can’t make it in man-to-man, get’s burned all the time. Good we cut our loses with him when we did. JLH and Schilens will get their fair shares, and they’ll both improve this year as they both have a lot of upside … no matter how much our opposition studies films.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
it wasnt williams injury we were playing better than them at that point in the season
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April 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Same could be said Dakota, your right. I’m ready for a 5 run bottom of the ninth rally, you?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
What are you basing that on? Why would Maclin be projected as a top-10 pick in a decent WR class (2009) but a 2nd-round pick in a lousy WR class (2008)? Makes no sense.
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Maclin is only a projected top 10 pick because he’s the 2nd best WR in the draft and the draft “experts” either don’t think Crabtree is fast enough for Al Davis or they don’t think he’ll be on the board at #7. WR is a position of need for the Raiders and we’ve started a trend the past 2 drafts to build the offense. Russell, Miller, Bush, McFadden, Henderson, Higgins & Schilens …
a #1 WR would continue that trend.
watch Maclin do a free fall like Brady Quinn when the Raiders pass on him. Maclin is a good player. I live in Missouri – I should know. He’s WAY overrated though
April 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
think of it this way either we get one of those tackles or we get Curry at LB, theres no other way it can go. Actually I think this player may be better than Curry possibly….but no one is talking about him going early…but I guarantee ya if he is on the board he will be picked by the Pats at 23. Hes a three down backer, technically sound and runs a 4.59 40…not too shabby. For mor see here. http://www.nflfans.com/x/2009/showplayer.php?key=James%20Laurinaitis
what do you guys think??
I have also analyzed the sched and of course nothing is perfect but I am very happy about the situations our games fall in!! Its truly best case scenario if you take this particular angel into effect..anybody know what it is?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
if jlh and schilens have worked hard this season at continue to improve the can be and with the addition of a crabtree or maclin we would have a very bright future at wr to go along with russell, especially if sheilds can develope into a legitimate 4th
April 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
what was so funny about that d
April 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Edward Teach,
The Raiders shouldn’t draft Crabtree and here’s why.
Assuming 50 to 60 plays:
1. 30 to 35 plays: Running backs will rush 30+ times per game
2. 6 to 10 plays: DMAC & Bush receptions out of backfield
3. 4 to 6 plays: Z. Miller receptions should go up if OTs are better
4. 3 to 5 plays: Johnnie Lee Higgins catches in the slot
5. 3 to 5 plays: Chaz Schilens as the number 2 receiver
6. 1 to 2 plays: FB, 2nd TE, 4th receiver etc…
47 to 63 plays or lets just say 55 plays before adding the number 1 receiver.
So how many catches are left….3 to 5 per game with 5 being the max. Top 10 receivers should be grabbing 90 to 100 per game or 6 to 8 catches like Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald.
The Raiders don’t need a top 10 receiver to grab 3 to 5 per game.
Also, the Raider offense likes receivers that stretch the field. Schilens, 4.38 and JLH 4.4 speed already do that. Schilens already is 6′4 with jumping ability. He could be the red zone guy or Ramses Barden
April 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Here’s what I think the Raiders will do on draft day.
1. B.J Raji, DT
2. Jamon Meredith, OT
3. Ramses Barden, WR
4. Chip Vaughn, S
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Could be. If these are the first 2 draft picks I’d rather have the best available DE, SS or OLB in Round 3 than the project WR Barden. Take a size/speed guy in Round 7 (not 3!)
April 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
On the beach in Cancun,
Fact is, when players come into the league, people don’t know tendencies and techniques on them. Once they do, it makes life a lot harder. JLH and Shilens have nice upside potential, especially with JLH and his run-after-the-catch abilities. But they didn’t face any double-teams, execute any two-minute offense and the O-line was dominate in the last two games.
I reserve my judgement on the two as legit NFL starters until I see them face a little more adversity, and wouldn’t pass on the consensus best college receiver due to those two.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
TB was rolling us 24-10 when Cadillac went down…we would have lost had he not gone down with that injury…he was killing us, running for 6.5 yards per carry.
Now we have Cable as our HC for at least one more year….woooohooooooo!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
See you guys later on, it’s time for a margarita and some warm sun rays, as I enjoy the aqua-mint colored water splashing on to the white sandy beach. Some chips and salsa helps, as do the beautiful women strolling on the beach in their bikini swimsuits. Go Raiders.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I guess the “4 spots” are OT, DT, WR, and S or possibly MLB. that sound right to you guys? I wonder if we can WR Barden in Round 3…I like Sammie Hill also at DT and he’s ot rated very high…
I would trade down with Philly if possible and take Laurinitis at 21( before Pats) and the best OT at 28 there will still Meredith on the board who the Raiders had in for a look. At 40 we take Barden if avail.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
injuries are a part of the game i remember we had some pretty good backs go down too and still came back and won, tampa was not playin good at that point in the season while we were improving
April 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Vegas Raider:
Good points, can’t argue there. Hey, I’ll drink another margarita and make a toast in your name. Have a good day.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
but you have a good point about him eatn our d up, he was doin that
April 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
we need to address safety, wr, and DE. we have no pass rush as well as no run stop. we overpaid for kelly so we must take our lumps. we can still develop higgins and shields. we cannot develop at DE or SS. plus, burgess is a free agent after this year. we need to get a pass rusher NOW. i say trade down and pick up ayers from tenn. awsome pass rusher. nice bookend with burgess for this year. mike mayock believes that in 3 yrs he will be best player to come out of this draft. then pick up chung for safety. with our 2 cornerbacks that we have we need a safety that can run stop and chung fit that spot. then we can still get a quality wr in 2nd round (assuming we trade down and get another 2nd round pick). look and brandon marshall, colston, boldin, all late round picks. you never know with wr’s and i’d rather take a chance on a wr in later rounds and get definate starter quality on defense in 1st round.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I don’t like Raji for two reasons; one, he would most likely be a rotational player on the D-line, and two, I think he’s a bust waiting to happen.
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LOL …. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
April 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
who’s our RT?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
finally someone brings it up, our pash-rush has been horrible, but in the 4-3 the raiders play u need one who also can stack the his side on a run, and those players are hard to come by
April 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
We were improving in December before the Bucs game? I remember two horrible defeats in December. I guess you could call following that up with a win against the Texans improvement.
Oh, and Fargas had not been injured in that game we would have lost too…Cable was saved by the back he refused to play. Go Michael Bush!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think part of the reason for the “success” at the end of the year for JLH and Schilens, was that nobody was really paying much attention to them. If they are our starters, with teams actually studying film on them, they might get eaten up by some good secondaries.
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What would their numbers have been had they played a full year as the starters? I think JLH would have had more than 22 catches.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
There are many of us on here who would like to see us Trade down. Trading out of the top 10 is difficult now days and Jacksonville has been pushing so hard to move out they might be willing to give up their pick at a discount which lowers the value of ours. Today I’ll post the only potential trade partners I can see and who needs to be on the board to keep them interested.
1st – the one most of you are thinking of.
Philly – They could be interested in Crabtree or one of the Top OTs. Crabtree has an outside chance of falling past the Browns to us, but J Smith, and E Monroe will likely not. Andy Reid likes big linemen, and with A Smith’s stock coming back around there is a chance that the Eagles feel he’s worth the No. 7 pick. So our best hope here is that Reid loves A Smith and he feels that he will need to trade all the way up to 7 to get him.
Our pick is worth 1500 points on the Draft Value Chart meaning that the Eagles picks of 21 and 28 which total 1460 points would be close to fair value. Technically we could get an additional 5th rounder out of Philly and still be looking at a fair trade according to the chart, but to trade back you gotta offer a discount and if Philly ever offered us Nos. 21 and 28 for No. 7 we shouldn’t push our luck.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Raidersince87,
Our pass rush sucked because Rob Ryan was our DEF Coordinator and NEVER blitzed.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
rt probably pears, henderson, and maybe wilson will battle it out maybe some others
April 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Enjoy the margarita, patron silver or herradura silver with lot’s of salt, on the rocks. Mmmmmm…..
April 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Albert Haynesworth only plays 60% of the snaps as well and the Redskins gave him $100M and there were other teams will to come close to that amount.
Of course those teams play no-compromises defense.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
GET ROY WILLIAMS
April 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
our pass rush was nonexistent because are d-line is awful, when every one on your line can be single blocked thers not alot you can do even if u do blitz, u would still have te, rb, extra lineman to deal with
April 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
rumor has it that jets and washington want sanchez. they want to move up past jacksonville and SF. that puts oakland in a prime spot to trade down. although wash has no 2nd round pick. and if crabtree is still on the board at #7, i wouldn’t put it past philly to give up both 1st round picks to take our #7 to get him.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
but ur right too
April 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
# Dakota Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
TB was rolling us 24-10 when Cadillac went down…we would have lost had he not gone down with that injury…he was killing us, running for 6.5 yards per carry.
Now we have Cable as our HC for at least one more year….woooohooooooo!
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We’ll see about Cable. I’m not as sold yet as Jerry Mac and some others. Playing Kwame and Fargas over the young guys and the fake FG vs. the Chiefs make me wonder about his judgment. But the Raiders definitely were playing better at the end of the season. And Cable also had some excellent play calls in those last two games. And Tampa Bay was never up by 14 in that game. When Williams got hurt halfway through the 4th quarter the Bucs were only up by 3 points.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
TB was rolling us 24-10 when Cadillac went down…we would have lost had he not gone down with that injury…he was killing us, running for 6.5 yards per carry.
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Not to mention the 30 yd run he got hurt on. I think it was 24-17 though, about to be 31-17.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think part of the reason for the “success” at the end of the year for JLH and Schilens, was that nobody was really paying much attention to them. If they are our starters, with teams actually studying film on them, they might get eaten up by some good secondaries.
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What would their numbers have been had they played a full year as the starters? I think JLH would have had more than 22 catches.
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What maybe 40?? Just like you don’t pass up on the best DT due to Kelly and Warren, or maybe the best OT due to Mario, you don’t pass on the best WR for Schiles and JLH.
Maybe you pass on the best WR, because you feel there is more pressing needs. At least that makes sense. If Crabtree is great, and JLH and Schilens are also good NFL receivers, that would be a good “problem” to have. Our receiving crew is light years behind just about every playoff team last year, Ravens and maybe Eagles aside. There is no such thing as a “luxury” posisition in the NFL, they are all important.
Some teams win with game-changing WR’s (Cardinals), some teams win with a dominating D-line (Giants), others with elite RB’s (Panthers). There is more than one way to skin a cat as the saying goes.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
it just goes to show you how much we need to improve all facets of our d-line if we are going to be able to improve as a team and compete for a playoff spot, until it gets fixed its not going to matter how much our offense improves
April 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Our pass rush sucked because Rob Ryan was our DEF Coordinator and NEVER blitzed.
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The fact that we need to blitz a LB to get pressure on the QB speaks to how weak or DEs are. Not only do they blow against the run, they are giving us NADA in terms of a pass rush.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
our pass rush was nonexistent because are d-line is awful, when every one on your line can be single blocked thers not alot you can do even if u do blitz, u would still have te, rb, extra lineman to deal with
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Exactly!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
jhill and this is because our dt cant get a push up the middle and only need to be single blocked, on top of that they get moved WAY to easily in against the run which makes morrison look bad, he always has to be shedding an offensive lineman to make all his tackles
April 15th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Therefore, the 49ers could very likely be the mystery team that has been linked to a trade with the Cleveland Browns for Brady Quinn. The National Football Post has been informed by multiple sources that there is a team who has put a first-round pick on the table in exchange for Quinn, and the Niners would make a world of sense in that role. The team has searched fruitlessly for a stud quarterback since the Jeff Garcia days earlier this decade, and by all indications Quinn is a superstar waiting for the right situation.
In spite of other needs perhaps outweighing signal-caller — including safety, wide receiver and linebacker — making a move for Quinn would give the offense a genuine facelift, and would also silence critics of general manager Scot McCloughan, who has been steadfast in defending his decision to draft Smith with the No. 1 pick in 2005. The NFL is still the “League of Quarterbacks”, and this team would be in much better shape in 2009 with Quinn under center instead of Smith or Hill.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I wish we could sit here and say we have hope for next season because we beat the Chargers, Ravens, Falcons, Panthers, Dolphins or Patriots (playoff teams).
We didn’t!
We even got beat by the donks, chefs, Bills and Saints (not playoff teams)
The teams we beat: chefs, donks, Jets, Texans and Bucs. Not one playoff team among them …
Look at Russell, Higgins & Schilens numbers when they played against playoff teams vs non playoff teams. who cares what they did against inferior competition? we need a playmaker at WR to make tough catches in games that matter. We need a difference maker
April 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
one of our first two picks has to be a dt or we are once again going to see teams gouge us all year long in the running game
April 15th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
by all indications Quinn is a superstar waiting for the right situation.
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Well Dakota, maybe I was wrong, LOL!
A super star waiting for the right situation?
LOL! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh man!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
1. crabtree or maclin
2. ron brace dt boston college
April 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
What I don’t understand is, if Al Davis’s defensive philosophy depends so much on the 4 man rush, why haven’t they been able to build that D-Line for so long now?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Well said Rockstar. Maybe there is more pressing needs, stopping the run as one, but you don’t pass on a top-level talent because of JLH and Schilens.
That would have been like someone saying we shouldn’t draft D-Mac last year, because we had Fargas and Rhodes.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Vegas Raider,
To me its about building inside out….you can’t win with a defensive line as bad as Oakland’s. A DT that doesn’t take double teams or penetrate is useless. They need better coaching AND TALENT.
To some our new defensive strategy is hope. I am surprised no one here has come up with one of those “Hope” posters except swap out Obama’s likeness for John Marshall’s.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
SnB,
I am with you on the D-line needing improving and stopping the run being our biggest weakness. I just think lack of a play-making WR is a close 2nd.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
kell that is because the raiders have an aggressive defensive philosophy but draft players who are all speed and finesse, which doesnt fit
April 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
and by aggressive i mean straight up 1 on 1
April 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
jhill and this is because our dt cant get a push up the middle and only need to be single blocked, on top of that they get moved WAY to easily in against the run which makes morrison look bad, he always has to be shedding an offensive lineman to make all his tackles
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Disagree with this. We’re talking pass rush, right? Last I checked, we look to our DEs to be double digit sack guys. The fact that we have no DEs who require a double team is what makes our blitzes ineffective. We have no DEs that opposing DCs game plan to stop.
You guys really need to stop with all this DT propaganda. They are not the problem when the QB has all day to throw on 3rd and 5 or longer. Sands and Warren, like Raji, shouldn’t even be on the field on passing downs.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
TRADE DOWN. I do like andre smith alot and if he is there it will make the decision harder but I honestly think trading down is the best route especially if we can get Philly’s two picks. We could get bey and mack with phillys picks and that would be an incredible 1st round then just take best LB available round 2 and youd have 3 legit guys to plug in right away.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
That would have been like someone saying we shouldn’t draft D-Mac last year, because we had Fargas and Rhodes.
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Uhhhh
PLENTY of folks said that exact thing last year, lol!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
2nd trade down scenerio (first is post 190)
San Fran – This trade would make alot of sense for both teams. The Niners would love to have Sanchez, and until the past couple of weeks have probly thought he would be there at 10 and they could just pick him. Now with the Jags shopping their pick it would be surprising to see Sanchez fall past the 8 spot. As long as noone trades up ahead of 7 to select Sanchez he should be the most coveted player left on the board when the Raiders select.
By holding the No. 10 pick San Fran is only trading up a few spots which is attractive for them for 2 reasons. First the expected salary increase in taking a 7 instead of a 10 is minimal, especially since it is a QB. In all likelyhood if they picked Sanchez at 10 or 7 he would get paid the same. Second this trade would not require the Niners to give up half their draft for one player just to make things fair by the Draft Value Chart. Other teams that want to trade up for Sanchez will be hard pressed to match the Chart Value San Fran can offer.
Here are the Logistics of a potential trade. Raiders No. 7 is worth 1500 points on the Draft Value Chart. San Fran’s No. 10 is worth 1300 points. Their No. 74 is worth 220 points. If they were unwilling to give us the extra 20 points we could throw in our 7th rounder to make it more equal.
So in summary if Sanchez is there at no. 7 a trade down with San Fran to No. 10 while getting their 3rd rounder is a real posibility. As a fan of either team you would have to be happy with a trade like this.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
jhill i think you are wrong theres no way a de is going to get 10 sacks if hes double teamed, u fail to understand that the dt are the ones who make the push up the middle which starts the breakdown of the pocket, good dt’s will create the single blocking on the outside
April 15th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
kell that is because the raiders have an aggressive defensive philosophy but draft players who are all speed and finesse, which doesnt fit
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That’s what I’m saying. If you defensive philosophy is build on a dominant D-Line, why have they not produced one.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
LOL …
The propaganda is spreading!
Hey SnB, didn’t we win that Jets game where you posted the link to Thomas Jones highlights?
And we all know that Atl was a team no show, but you want to isolate the DTs?
Anyway, 2 bad games out of 16?
Couldn’t find any other RB highlight reels against our D, could you?
April 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
you can’t win with a defensive line as bad as Oakland’s. A DT that doesn’t take double teams or penetrate is useless. They need better coaching AND TALENT.
To some our new defensive strategy is hope. I am surprised no one here has come up with one of those “Hope” posters except swap out Obama’s likeness for John Marshall’s
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you can’t win with a WR corps as bad as Oakland’s. A WR corps that doesn’t require double teams or a DC to game plan for is useless. They need better coaching AND TALENT.
To some our new offensive strategy is hope. I am surprised no one here has come up with one of those “Hope” posters except swap out Obama’s likeness for Ted Tollner’s
Except I think in a year’s time Tollner will be more popular than Obama!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
jhill i think you are wrong theres no way a de is going to get 10 sacks if hes double teamed,
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Talk to me about that the minute you start seeing one of our DEs getting double teamed. Or should I say, when we finally acquire a DE that commands a double team.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Good one RRS ..
April 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
what’s up Nation?
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# vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I think part of the reason for the “success” at the end of the year for JLH and Schilens, was that nobody was really paying much attention to them. If they are our starters, with teams actually studying film on them, they might get eaten up by some good secondaries.
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Harshin my buzz dude…
April 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
i was just trying to have a good debate but since all u can do is laugh and say your big word of the day ,propaganda, oohh, it just shows how insecure you are about what you are sayin, when you are ready to have some good football talk get back at me
April 15th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Raiders gave up 4.7yds per carry for the YEAR!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
408,
Sorry man, just making the point that we shouldn’t pass on Crabtree because of JLH and Schilens. If they do pass on him, it should be because Al feels there is more pressing needs.
I do like JLH a lot, should be a pro-bowl kick returner and big-play receiver. Mix that with a move the chains WR like Crabs, a beast of TE like Miller, and 2 great young RB’s, and we got something special. If we could only stop the run every once and again……
April 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Here is a little more about the great character of DHB.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.heywardbey14apr14,0,7312803.story
Yep….I would rather see Oakland pick DHB than Maclin who has the same skill set as JLH. The only reason Maclin is rated higher than DHB is because if his return ability. The Raiders need a potential #1 type of WR….not a return man. They already have JLH and Miller for those duties.
Plus, DHB is bigger, faster and stronger than Maclin.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
408,
Sorry man, just making the point that we shouldn’t pass on Crabtree because of JLH and Schilens. If they do pass on him, it should be because Al feels there is more pressing needs.
I do like JLH a lot, should be a pro-bowl kick returner and big-play receiver. Mix that with a move the chains WR like Crabs, a beast of TE like Miller, and 2 great young RB’s, and we got something special. If we could only stop the run every once and again……
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Yep! Or the only they pass on Crabtree is if there is trade down offer that is too good to pass up.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
jhill Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
LOL …
The propaganda is spreading!
Hey SnB, didn’t we win that Jets game where you posted the link to Thomas Jones highlights?
And we all know that Atl was a team no show, but you want to isolate the DTs?
Anyway, 2 bad games out of 16
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Comrade JHill, These highlights really bring home the inadequecy of the D-Line. More propaganda I guess….
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4f811
April 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
i was just trying to have a good debate but since all u can do is laugh and say your big word of the day ,propaganda, oohh, it just shows how insecure you are about what you are sayin, when you are ready to have some good football talk get back at me
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Not so sure what got you so touchy. Sorry I disagree with you.
No need to get back to me!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Reviewing the link on my previous post:
In fact the Patriots highlights are the worst! Look what happens to the linebackers on the first few plays. Watch the Pats O-Lineman in the 2nd level. Pats spread the defense and ran right up the gut!
April 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Screw The Rouge Socks. Screw the Cheatriots. Screw the Keltics. Screw the Brunos. Screw Bristol. Screw the Golden Igloos. And screw BJ Raji. Dump ‘em all in the filthy Charles River and be done with it.
Now that’s a tea party!
Oh yeah, dump all Kraft products in a landfill while yer at it.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
It’s all good Vegas but what about his busted wheel???
April 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Comrade JHill, These highlights really bring home the inadequecy of the D-Line. More propaganda I guess….
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4f811
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Wow, never even saw any DT!! lol
April 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Oher, Mack, and DHB would be a really good hall in the first two rounds.
Use the rest on DT,and DE.
Give Branch his SS baptism by fire.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Crabtree has pro bowl potential.
potential to be a 80-100 catch, 1500-2000 yard, 10-20 TD #1 WR …
what about Higgins, Schilens or Shields? the best of the bunch may have a 50 catch, 700 yard, 7 TD season
woohoo! forget Crabs! right ?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
im not touchy and no need to be sorry about disagreeing i just dont understand the use if propaganda here when the d-line was opening up huge holes up the middle all year long are dt’s, and i mean all of them, need to be replaced
April 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
see you guys tomorrow.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Even the Bucs game didn’t start out so well from a run d standpoint. And for you Morrison haters, there is a nice clip of him missing a tackle one-on-one for a 1st down.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80db1dfb
The Raiders need help at DT, DE and LB.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Those clips of the Pats game are pretty sad. On the second play they show, Morrrison gets dominated by the Pats TE. Later I see Howard get pushed backwards about 10 yards by the center. And Tommy Kelly seems to be trying to make tackles 15 yards down the field. I like the hustle TK, but how about trying to tackle him near the line of scrimmage.
408, He should be fine, dude played with it all year.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
2nd trade down scenerio (first is post 190)
San Fran – This trade would make alot of sense for both teams. The Niners would love to have Sanchez, and until the past couple of weeks have probly thought he would be there at 10 and they could just pick him. Now with the Jags shopping their pick it would be surprising to see Sanchez fall past the 8 spot. As long as noone trades up ahead of 7 to select Sanchez he should be the most coveted player left on the board when the Raiders select.
By holding the No. 10 pick San Fran is only trading up a few spots which is attractive for them for 2 reasons. First the expected salary increase in taking a 7 instead of a 10 is minimal, especially since it is a QB. In all likelyhood if they picked Sanchez at 10 or 7 he would get paid the same. Second this trade would not require the Niners to give up half their draft for one player just to make things fair by the Draft Value Chart. Other teams that want to trade up for Sanchez will be hard pressed to match the Chart Value San Fran can offer.
Here are the Logistics of a potential trade. Raiders No. 7 is worth 1500 points on the Draft Value Chart. San Fran’s No. 10 is worth 1300 points. Their No. 74 is worth 220 points. If they were unwilling to give us the extra 20 points we could throw in our 7th rounder to make it more equal.
So in summary if Sanchez is there at no. 7 a trade down with San Fran to No. 10 while getting their 3rd rounder is a real posibility. As a fan of either team you would have to be happy with a trade like this.
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This would work but only if Crabtree is off the board at #7 and if Andre Smith is still there. Then trading down with the Niners in that scenario would work. The Raiders would add a much needed extra pick….and still can draft A Smith, Oher, Bey or Raji at #10.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
KoolKell,
That New England clip is actually worse than the Atlanta meltdown. The Pats didn’t even have a fullback and were running out of the SHOTGUN….Sammie Morris just dances with ease because no Raider is close to being in the backfield.
Over my next few posts, I am going to go ahead an post all the run-d clips and let the public decide. This d-line is an embarrassment.
With the Giants, Redskins, Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles and Steelers on the schedule, the Raiders HAVE NO SHOT with that D-Line. NONE! I don’t care how fast Heyward-Bey runs!
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4f811
April 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
SnB,
You know that I don’t disagree with your theories, only your Raji endorsement. Raji is not as good as Dorsey or Ellis were. I am not convinced he will require double teams in the NFL.
We do need some young blood at DT though which is why I endorse Maola, Hood, or Brace.
With that said, I think you give way too much of a pass to our LBs.
That first play of your NE highlight reel is a nickel defense. Please tell me why Morrison is dancing around in the same place he lined up 6 yards off the ball? At least Howard shot a gap and tried to make a play?
Morrison is a problem man!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Allow the defense to be on the field for significantly fewer plays (read – offense actually moves the ball consistently and scores some TDs rather than relying on Lechler to be a weapon and Voila! defense improves.).
The kids on D CAN play if they are not relied upon to win the game on their own each fourth quarter. Trust the Marshall Plan despite the common belief that Al phones in all the defensive formations and alignments.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Here is a little more about the great character of DHB.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.heywardbey14apr14,0,7312803.story
Yep….I would rather see Oakland pick DHB than Maclin who has the same skill set as JLH. The only reason Maclin is rated higher than DHB is because if his return ability. The Raiders need a potential #1 type of WR….not a return man. They already have JLH and Miller for those duties.
Plus, DHB is bigger, faster and stronger than Maclin.
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The reasons Maclin is rated higher than DHB really have little to do with his return ability. Maclin is rated higher because he has WAY, WAY better hands and was 2x as productive as a WR as DHB in college.
DHB = the wide receiver version of 49ers TE Vernon Davis. Both were Maryland guys. Both have eye-popping measurables. Both posted mediocre numbers in college, failing to produce anywhere near what their raw, athletic potential suggests. Ask San Fran how Davis has produced as a top-10 pick.
Another good comparison for DHB is Troy Williamson. He was the No. 7 overall pick in 2005 who vaulted that high in the draft largely due to his raw athletic ability. He’s already on his 2nd team. He also had just 5 catches for 30 yards in all of 2008.
DHB = Troy Williamson
Maclin = Torry Holt
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
When Cable talks about having to get one of 4 guys and him saying all 4 Offensive Tackles are outstanding and can play in any scheme, its hard not to imagine Cable meaning one of those guys. Hes an offensive line guy. He has brought a bunch of competition in at the tackle spot and he only wants to continue to make it better. If Al Davis lets him, I think Cable is going with an OT. Period.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
KoolKell,
That New England clip is actually worse than the Atlanta meltdown. The Pats didn’t even have a fullback and were running out of the SHOTGUN….Sammie Morris just dances with ease because no Raider is close to being in the backfield.
Over my next few posts, I am going to go ahead an post all the run-d clips and let the public decide. This d-line is an embarrassment.
With the Giants, Redskins, Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles and Steelers on the schedule, the Raiders HAVE NO SHOT with that D-Line. NONE! I don’t care how fast Heyward-Bey runs!
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its true, but we definitly need a playmaker like crabtree or maclin
April 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Jhill,
Watch the 2nd play, when Morrison is manhandled by the TE. What starting MLB can’t shed a TE???
April 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
jhill Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
jhill and this is because our dt cant get a push up the middle and only need to be single blocked, on top of that they get moved WAY to easily in against the run which makes morrison look bad, he always has to be shedding an offensive lineman to make all his tackles
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Disagree with this. We’re talking pass rush, right? Last I checked, we look to our DEs to be double digit sack guys. The fact that we have no DEs who require a double team is what makes our blitzes ineffective. We have no DEs that opposing DCs game plan to stop.
You guys really need to stop with all this DT propaganda. They are not the problem when the QB has all day to throw on 3rd and 5 or longer. Sands and Warren, like Raji, shouldn’t even be on the field on passing downs.
^^^^^^
Agreed….Pass rushing DE’s or pass rushing OLB’s are more valuable then overweight DT’s who will be platooned in a rotation….especially with a top 7 pick.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
I think Cable will get…
1st Round – OT
2nd Round – Mack or Unger
Thats if Cable gets his way but Al Davis might remind him that he let Cable sign all those offensive tackles and traded for that center and that will give Al Davis the edge on who he wants in particular because hes already given Cable what he wants so far. Al Davis always has this but in this case, he especially has leverage.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Why doesn’t Jerry report the Raiders attempted signing of WR will frankling….I need to get my raider news elsewhere
April 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
THE RUN DEFENSE SUCKS.WE KNOW THAT.BUT THE PASS OFFENSE IS JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORST.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
007 (i was debating with j)i wouldnt take one with the 7th but the 2nd definitly, im not sold on raji, i think crabtreeis the choice, i dont think ot will be the pick , its not our most pressing need
April 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I don’t understand why people, when faced with a defense that gives up 4.7yds per carry, skip past the first line of defense to lay blame, to the second line of defense? To a man who was 4th in the league in tackles.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
NFLDraftCountdown.com finally has an updated Mock Draft.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
1st Round: WR Jeremy Maclin
2nd Round: OT Jamon Meredith
3rd Round: S Chip Vaughn
April 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Chris in NY,
thank you.only in the bay area is maclin called jlh 2.0.everywhere else he is know as the second best wr in the draft.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Agreed….Pass rushing DE’s or pass rushing OLB’s are more valuable then overweight DT’s who will be platooned in a rotation….especially with a top 7 pick.
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What does that have to do with our problem of giving up 4.7yds per carry?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
For some reason I really really want the raiders to pick a top rated DE. I like crabs but if he and orakpo are still on the board at the same time I’d rather see us take orakpo and if neither are there i pray we take everette brown. I just believe we can take a wr in the 2nd and get a player who can impact the game Ramses barden is 6′6 runs a 4.4 and has hands.With everette we get two impact players as to where if we choose wr in the 1st we’d only be getting 1; I don’t know of many de’s in the 2nd that look as good as everette or orakpo.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
3rd trade down scenerio (first post 190, second post 220)
Denver – If these teams were not division rivals and could negotiate in a civil manner this trade would be a real posibility. However they have shown us that they cannot and negotiations would likely be both sides just trying to screw the other. If both teams grow up though they can both get what they want and go back to hating each other with better teams.
A trade with Denver would be if Sanchez was there at 7 which there is a good chance of. The main reason Denver would call us is if negotiations broke down with Jacksonville. They could either not want to give up enough for the Jags standards, or the Jets, Redskins, or Niners have made better offers to the Jags. Denver would then look to leap in front of Jacksonville and do business with the dark side to get their future franchise QB. This trade works well for Denver much the same reason it would for San Fran. Sanchez at No.7 will not cost a whole lot more than whoever they got at No. 12, and trading up only 5 spots means you don’t spend half your draft on one player. If they give up their No. 18 for the No. 7 both of these things become issues, so I don’t see that happening.
Here are the logistics if both sides decide to be civil. Oaklands No. 7 is worth 1500 points according to the Draft Value Chart. Denvers No. 12 is worth 1200 points and their No. 48 is worth 420 points these total 1620 leaving the Raiders with 120 points to make up. 65 points can be made up by swapping 3rd rounders, so we would go from No. 71 to no. 84. And to make the numbers as close as possible (which will likely be necesarry so neither side feels screwed) we might have to give up our 4th rounder No. 126 which is worth 46 points.
So to recap if this deal gets done I see The Raiders sending Picks No. 7, No. 71, and No. 126 to Denver for Picks No. 12, No. 48, and No. 84.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
KoolKell,
That New England clip is actually worse than the Atlanta meltdown. The Pats didn’t even have a fullback and were running out of the SHOTGUN….Sammie Morris just dances with ease because no Raider is close to being in the backfield.
Over my next few posts, I am going to go ahead an post all the run-d clips and let the public decide. This d-line is an embarrassment.
With the Giants, Redskins, Cowboys, Ravens, Eagles and Steelers on the schedule, the Raiders HAVE NO SHOT with that D-Line. NONE! I don’t care how fast Heyward-Bey runs!
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its true, but we definitly need a playmaker like crabtree or maclin
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I agree…..the D-LINE is pathetic against the run and Ryan was terrible!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
KoolKell – Very true. The same thing could be said for Schweigert and Huff. They may not have been the greatest safeties but its really difficult to be a great safety when you have to keep ditching the pass to come help in run support. People get mad because these guys whiff tackles but they wouldn’t be whiffing tackles if they weren’t forced to tackle so often. Schweigert had 107 tackles one year at FS. Your FS should be getting about 60 tackles. This is why our safeties don’t get interceptions.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
koolkell,
the funny thing about is if you run a 4-3 you got to have a monster de and a dt that demands a double team.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
everette brown would be awesome but we would have to improve the interior , him and trevor scott would be a great combo with some solid dt’s
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
NFLDraftCountdown.com finally has an updated Mock Draft.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
1st Round: WR Jeremy Maclin
2nd Round: OT Jamon Meredith
3rd Round: S Chip Vaughn
^^^^^^^
This would be a very disappointing and crappy draft if this scenario were to happen.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
My ideal mockdraft .
1st orakpo / everette brown
2nd ramses barden
3rd chip vaughn/ micheal mitchell
4th zach follet
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
FREE DIRTY!!!!!!
FIND THEC
April 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
M Lonetree Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Allow the defense to be on the field for significantly fewer plays (read – offense actually moves the ball consistently and scores some TDs rather than relying on Lechler to be a weapon and Voila! defense improves.).
The kids on D CAN play if they are not relied upon to win the game on their own each fourth quarter. Trust the Marshall Plan despite the common belief that Al phones in all the defensive formations and alignments.
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Sounds like the “Hope” strategy.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
87 or at least a de who can stack the line
April 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
NFLDraftCountdown.com finally has an updated Mock Draft.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
1st Round: WR Jeremy Maclin
2nd Round: OT Jamon Meredith
3rd Round: S Chip Vaughn
^^^^^^^
This would be a very disappointing and crappy draft if this scenario were to happen.
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i agree
April 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
JHIll,
That first play the Pats ran Morrison was met by an OG on that play.
I am all for moving Morrison out to OLB by the way. But the lack of athleticsm on that D-Line will punish any linebacker. I don’t care if Mike Singletary or Dick Butkus were back there.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
im still laughing at “disappointing and crappy”
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Here is a little more about the great character of DHB.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.heywardbey14apr14,0,7312803.story
Yep….I would rather see Oakland pick DHB than Maclin who has the same skill set as JLH. The only reason Maclin is rated higher than DHB is because if his return ability. The Raiders need a potential #1 type of WR….not a return man. They already have JLH and Miller for those duties.
Plus, DHB is bigger, faster and stronger than Maclin.
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The reasons Maclin is rated higher than DHB really have little to do with his return ability. Maclin is rated higher because he has WAY, WAY better hands and was 2x as productive as a WR as DHB in college.
DHB = the wide receiver version of 49ers TE Vernon Davis. Both were Maryland guys. Both have eye-popping measurables. Both posted mediocre numbers in college, failing to produce anywhere near what their raw, athletic potential suggests. Ask San Fran how Davis has produced as a top-10 pick.
Another good comparison for DHB is Troy Williamson. He was the No. 7 overall pick in 2005 who vaulted that high in the draft largely due to his raw athletic ability. He’s already on his 2nd team. He also had just 5 catches for 30 yards in all of 2008.
DHB = Troy Williamson
Maclin = Torry Holt
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Maclin compares to Holt?? LOL….No way.
The only reason Maclin was more productive is because of the offenses. Chase Daniels threw the ball in a spread offense and was a better college QB than what DHB had at Maryland. Maryland also ran more of a pro style offense than Mizzou.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
NFLDraftCountdown.com finally has an updated Mock Draft.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
1st Round: WR Jeremy Maclin
2nd Round: OT Jamon Meredith
3rd Round: S Chip Vaughn
^^^^^^^
This would be a very disappointing and crappy draft if this scenario were to happen.
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That draft would be a disaster. The team would still remain soft up the middle on defense and Jeremy Maclin will catch his 3 or 4 balls a game while Schilens sits on the bench.
nice…..
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I don’t want Orakpo or Brown. They’re too light. We need Tyson Jackson from LSU. 6′4 296lbs.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Since ALmighty Davis committed lots of money to Kelly/Sands/Warren, it’s not politically correct to lay blame there for the horrible Run Defense?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
im still laughing at “disappointing and crappy”
^^^^^^
I wanted to say some much harsher words…but I don’t know how strict the policies are on here now these days. LOL
April 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
morrison aggravates me sometimes too but until or dt’s are upgraded u cant blame him
April 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
that would be a horrible draft
April 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I don’t want Orakpo or Brown. They’re too light. We need Tyson Jackson from LSU. 6′4 296lbs.
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Yeah or Robert Ayer or Jarron Gilbert type of DE’s.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
If we were to pick up everette brown or orakpo they would cause double teams while you already know burgess is gonna cause the double team aso so that would free uip the middle because you can’t double team everybody and if you get a baller like follet in the later rounds who knows how to tackle and pursue the run game should improve dramatically and we saw in the last two games how are offense has improved so I think we’ll be alright we just have to make the right decisions.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I think Kelly/Sands/Warren would look alot better with DE’s who could stop the run just as well. Too much is relied upon the DT’s to save our DE’s and our linebackers in this scheme and that is too much to ask for. Burgess gets pushed around, Scott gets pushed around, Edwards got pushed around. Brayton was solid against the run but couldn’t get around the edge to the QB. Richardson was similiar.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
NFLDraftCountdown.com finally has an updated Mock Draft.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
1st Round: WR Jeremy Maclin
2nd Round: OT Jamon Meredith
3rd Round: S Chip Vaughn
^^^^^^^
This would be a very disappointing and crappy draft if this scenario were to happen.
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That draft would be a disaster. The team would still remain soft up the middle on defense and Jeremy Maclin will catch his 3 or 4 balls a game while Schilens sits on the bench.
nice…..
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Exactly!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
We will start with the San Diego Chargers highlights…part 1 of 2. This is basic football, watch #79 for San Diego repeatedly meet up with Howard and Morrison.
Chris Collinsworth commentary at about 1:30 really highlights the problems.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d0c246
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
1. crabtree
2. brace dt boston college
3. chris clemmons ss clemson
4. jason williams olb western illinois
how bout this
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Ray Lewis would pitch a fit playing behind those tackles.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
DKnight007 – Exactly. I feel that even if we add Raji as an example, we will still have trouble against the run because we have no outside containment. We need strength on the ends to compliment our strength on the inside, otherwise teams just run around us on the edges.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Yea they may be light but they’re strong and brown has moves. justin tuck doesn’t look much bigger than either but you see how he does.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
24
There’s no DE this year worth #7, is there?
Top DE’s go overall #1 or 2
April 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
In part 2 this is really about screens to the outside and the lack of awareness on the D-Line or LBs for that matter. Also, Burgess and Richardson get exposed.
Again excellent commentary
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d0c139
April 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
3rd trade down scenerio (first post 190, second post 220)
Denver – If these teams were not division rivals and could negotiate in a civil manner this trade would be a real posibility. However they have shown us that they cannot and negotiations would likely be both sides just trying to screw the other. If both teams grow up though they can both get what they want and go back to hating each other with better teams.
A trade with Denver would be if Sanchez was there at 7 which there is a good chance of. The main reason Denver would call us is if negotiations broke down with Jacksonville. They could either not want to give up enough for the Jags standards, or the Jets, Redskins, or Niners have made better offers to the Jags. Denver would then look to leap in front of Jacksonville and do business with the dark side to get their future franchise QB. This trade works well for Denver much the same reason it would for San Fran. Sanchez at No.7 will not cost a whole lot more than whoever they got at No. 12, and trading up only 5 spots means you don’t spend half your draft on one player. If they give up their No. 18 for the No. 7 both of these things become issues, so I don’t see that happening.
Here are the logistics if both sides decide to be civil. Oaklands No. 7 is worth 1500 points according to the Draft Value Chart. Denvers No. 12 is worth 1200 points and their No. 48 is worth 420 points these total 1620 leaving the Raiders with 120 points to make up. 65 points can be made up by swapping 3rd rounders, so we would go from No. 71 to no. 84. And to make the numbers as close as possible (which will likely be necesarry so neither side feels screwed) we might have to give up our 4th rounder No. 126 which is worth 46 points.
So to recap if this deal gets done I see The Raiders sending Picks No. 7, No. 71, and No. 126 to Denver for Picks No. 12, No. 48, and No. 84.
^^^^^^
This would be a great deal for the Raiders….unless the old man and coach cable are scared of letting there divison rivals pick Sanchez, which I sure as heck would NOT be!
Sanchez would still have to compete with Orton and Simms and he would probably sit a year or two. The ponies would not have a starter to contribute and we would 2 potential starters if we were to acquire there two #1’s.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I think midget mac is cool but I wouldn’t spend a 1st rounder on him. I believe in building the defense before the o. Its hard for anybody to beet you if you can’t score. If things don’t work out a wr we can always wait til next year when the real ballers come out.. like Dez bryant. yeaaaa (,
April 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I think Morrison’s issue is he is slow to recognize plays. He lines up 6 yards off the ball, dances in place when the ball is snapped, and by the time he realizes what’s going on, a lineman is on him. Even when he makes a play, it’s in the same spot where he lined up off the ball, 5 yards later.
You hardly ever see him in a gap around the LOS. Even if he was getting blocked by a lineman, the fact that he is 5 yards off the ball when it happens is a problem that opens up all those huge cutback lanes.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
24… At last. Someone who knows what they’re looking at when they watch those clips.
Sometimes you guys act like we only have one draft pick. The problem is more at DE than at DT when it comes to stopping the run, and there ain’t no DE worthy of the #7 overall pick. We’ll get one after the first round.
It’s Smith (Andre) or Crabtree in the first. Providing one or both is there, of course.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
DMac20 – Have you seen Burgess being double teamed on running plays? I’d be surprised to know that he is.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
KoolKell – Thats the unfortunate part. I wanted to draft Chris Long last year when he was available but even he was light at 267lbs and he got drafted at #2. The only way we end up with a decent DE is if we trade back or we try to grab one of the bigger guys in round 2 most likely. The point here is…we’re most likely screwed since we should have found someone either a long time ago or we should have signed someone in free agency. Jason Taylor is still available as an option. I’m not sure how good against the run he is.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
All three lines of defense are bad against the run. The D-line has no “cloggers” and our ends are real light, we have finesse LB’s who have trouble shedding even TE’s, and our safeties have been wiffing and taking bad angles for years.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Albert Haynesworth only plays 60% of the snaps as well and the Redskins gave him $100M and there were other teams will to come close to that amount.
Of course those teams play no-compromises defense.
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Haynesworth will now be an out of shape underachiever now that he has all the money….plus he has legal problems. Bad investment by the Skins…..again!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
those clips are awful its going to take longer than this year to retool the d-line, not only dt’s , i saw the whole front 7 being pushed around
April 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Chris Collinsworth commentary at about 1:30 really highlights the problems.
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You do know what run fits are, right?
Direct shot at the alignments, and LB play!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Jhill… I think you’re right about Morrison. I see the same thing; he makes a lot of tackles but he either doesn’t recognize soon enough or he’s afraid to fill gaps. Just not aggressive, and that can probably be said about all our LBs.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
The best way to understand the importance of the DE is to understand the importance of the Offensive Tackle. The OT’s protect the outside of the line, which protects the QB’s blind side and anything coming off the edge. The DE is just as responsible on the outside for keeping the running game from getting on the outside. The Outside Linebacker is his assistant and should be there to clean up if the DE gets out of position
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
On the beach in Cancun Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
See you guys later on, it’s time for a margarita and some warm sun rays, as I enjoy the aqua-mint colored water splashing on to the white sandy beach. Some chips and salsa helps, as do the beautiful women strolling on the beach in their bikini swimsuits. Go Raiders.
^^^^^^
Enjoy….I just came back from Cabo and Cancun!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
can all are guys really be this bad, maybe it was rr
April 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
4th trade down scenerio (1st post 190, 2nd post 220, 3rd post 263).
Washington – The Redskins will likely be interested in Sanchez because Dan Snyder likes big names, and their interest in Cutler shows lack of confidence in Campbel. The main reason that Washington could be out of the running is they have no second rounder, and anyone with trade value on their roster has already been traded over the past couple of years. So Washington would have to be willing to give up alot of picks for Sanchez. Snyder has proven he is one of the few people in the league which is that foolish. Washington will feel out Jacksonville first but the Raiders at No. 7 give them an opportunity to leapfrog the Jags if Jacksonville doesn’t like what they are offering, or another team offers the Jags more.
What I could really see happening here is Denver with it’s no. 12 and no. 48 picks being able to offer the Jags much more than Washington ever could. I also see Denver not offering the same to Oakland given the whole division rivalry thing. This makes Oakland the key trading partner for the Skins and the Jets to get Sanchez without getting in a bidding war with Denver. The Skins will have to give up alot, but they have been known for being aggressive.
Here are the Logistics
Draft Value Chart Value of Raiders No. 7 = 1500 points
Redskins No. 13 = 1150
Redskins No. 80 = 190
To make up the difference the Skins would have to give up their 2nd rounder next year, and maybe even their 3rd. The Skins are going to really have to want Sanchez if they are to get him.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Vegas Raider – Thats the price you pay when you draft for speed instead of muscle all the time. There has to be some balance.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
All three lines of defense are bad against the run. The D-line has no “cloggers” and our ends are real light, we have finesse LB’s who have trouble shedding even TE’s, and our safeties have been wiffing and taking bad angles for years.
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Exactly why I’m big on getting Ayers and Gilbert for the D-Line…..they would bring size, bulk and athleticism.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Raidersince87 – Thats the beauty of this…Maybe having Marshall and the new staff teach these guys will help them alot. I think Rob teaching them made them stupid.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
SnB Defense ,
the run defense sucks.we know that.showing video`s on how bad they are does not improve the 32nd ranked pass offense.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Johm Madden says, “If you want to run the ball, you have to control the Nose Tackle”
April 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Now we move on to a clip that JHill loves. The Carolina 63yard run for DeAngelo Williams. The defense actually played well in the game. But we want to focus on the run defense.
Once again, the RG for Carolina “68″ runs unabated at Morrison and takes him out of the play. Richardson gets neutralized at the point and Sands is managed one-on-one by the Center. The FS, Baker misses a tackle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDht-H0Hk4k
April 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Man you guys are going to Cabo and Cancun, while I just got back from freezing azz cold Niagara Falls!!!
BTW,
The link to our newspaper shows the “tea-party” people and right up front is a Raider fan!!
http://www.lvrj.com/
April 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
4th trade down scenerio (1st post 190, 2nd post 220, 3rd post 263).
Washington – The Redskins will likely be interested in Sanchez because Dan Snyder likes big names, and their interest in Cutler shows lack of confidence in Campbel. The main reason that Washington could be out of the running is they have no second rounder, and anyone with trade value on their roster has already been traded over the past couple of years. So Washington would have to be willing to give up alot of picks for Sanchez. Snyder has proven he is one of the few people in the league which is that foolish. Washington will feel out Jacksonville first but the Raiders at No. 7 give them an opportunity to leapfrog the Jags if Jacksonville doesn’t like what they are offering, or another team offers the Jags more.
What I could really see happening here is Denver with it’s no. 12 and no. 48 picks being able to offer the Jags much more than Washington ever could. I also see Denver not offering the same to Oakland given the whole division rivalry thing. This makes Oakland the key trading partner for the Skins and the Jets to get Sanchez without getting in a bidding war with Denver. The Skins will have to give up alot, but they have been known for being aggressive.
Here are the Logistics
Draft Value Chart Value of Raiders No. 7 = 1500 points
Redskins No. 13 = 1150
Redskins No. 80 = 190
To make up the difference the Skins would have to give up their 2nd rounder next year, and maybe even their 3rd. The Skins are going to really have to want Sanchez if they are to get him.
^^^^^^^
The angle the Raiders need to take with the Orange Ponies, is to let them know, that they are in direct talks with the Niners, Skins, and Jets for them to trade up (which the Raiders should be anyway) because they want Sanchez and that they better talk to us if they want Sanchez.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
can all are guys really be this bad, maybe it was rr
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lol, the Raiders front office has a job for you! jk, couldn’t resist.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Raidersince87 – Thats the beauty of this…Maybe having Marshall and the new staff teach these guys will help them alot. I think Rob teaching them made them stupid.
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half the time morrison looks like hes lost, but with over 130 tackles he cant be as bad as he looks, i have no exuse for the d-line though
April 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Hey patrick willis wasn’t a top ten pick either. He got picked 15 overall and look at the impact he has on the niners. So just because a player isn’t rated to go top 5 doesn’t mean they aren’t top 5 talent. I believe brown is gonna be a beast honestly. Aj hawk was rated higher than willis and if you had to choose between the two right now who would you pick?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
24 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Vegas Raider – Thats the price you pay when you draft for speed instead of muscle all the time. There has to be some balance.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
SnB Defense ,
the run defense sucks.we know that.showing video`s on how bad they are does not improve the 32nd ranked pass offense.
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Yeah that’s true. However, considering the fact of facing down Brandon Jacobs and Bryant Westbrook back 2 back and Marion Barber. Also having to line up against the Steelers in December or the Ravens 40 rush running attack and the LT and Sproles. And don’t forget Clinton Portis. And also consider that most of the teams the Raiders face are run 1st and successfull.
The clips are here to remind everyone about what this team has RIGHT NOW.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
SnB Defense ,
the run defense sucks.we know that.showing video`s on how bad they are does not improve the 32nd ranked pass offense.
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How much of that problem was solved with the firing of Lane Kiffin and Kwame Harris?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
64 lol
April 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell,
not only is that true,but on offense we face the 3-4 10 times with a center who miami traded because he could`nt handle the nose.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
29 i think russell and the passing game will get better if they can spend more time on the field and not always playing catch-up, the clock was not in our favor last year
April 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
DrAft Andre,..or Raji,..at 7.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
While we wait for the next batch of clips, let’s take a look at a mock draft that could alleviate these problems going into 2009 against the NFC East and AFC North.
1. B.J Raji, DT, BC – Best DT prospect in the draft hands-down. 337lbs, takes on double teams and can penetrate.
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE, SJSU – Very similiar metrics to Mario Williams. A base DE that can rush the passer. 4.7 40 time and 28 reps on the bench. Led the NCAA in tackles for a loss.
3. Jasper Brinkley, MLB, So. Car – Big, fast and can hit and hit hard. A true middle linebacker
4. David Burton, FS, Notre Dame -
7. ??????
April 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell,
not only is that true,but on offense we face the 3-4 10 times with a center who miami traded because he could`nt handle the nose.
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i was wondering why parcells let him go, if this is true, alls i can say is wow
April 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I think the passing game got a lot better once Kiffin & Harris were fired.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Here is a little more about the great character of DHB.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.heywardbey14apr14,0,7312803.story
Yep….I would rather see Oakland pick DHB than Maclin who has the same skill set as JLH. The only reason Maclin is rated higher than DHB is because if his return ability. The Raiders need a potential #1 type of WR….not a return man. They already have JLH and Miller for those duties.
Plus, DHB is bigger, faster and stronger than Maclin.
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The reasons Maclin is rated higher than DHB really have little to do with his return ability. Maclin is rated higher because he has WAY, WAY better hands and was 2x as productive as a WR as DHB in college.
DHB = the wide receiver version of 49ers TE Vernon Davis. Both were Maryland guys. Both have eye-popping measurables. Both posted mediocre numbers in college, failing to produce anywhere near what their raw, athletic potential suggests. Ask San Fran how Davis has produced as a top-10 pick.
Another good comparison for DHB is Troy Williamson. He was the No. 7 overall pick in 2005 who vaulted that high in the draft largely due to his raw athletic ability. He’s already on his 2nd team. He also had just 5 catches for 30 yards in all of 2008.
DHB = Troy Williamson
Maclin = Torry Holt
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Maclin compares to Holt?? LOL….No way.
The only reason Maclin was more productive is because of the offenses. Chase Daniels threw the ball in a spread offense and was a better college QB than what DHB had at Maryland. Maryland also ran more of a pro style offense than Mizzou.
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Regarding the Maclin-Holt comparison:
Jeremy Maclin, 6-1, 200
Torry Holt, 6-0, 190
“He has the receiving skills of former Rams standout Torry Holt …”
– NFLDraftScout.com
“According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Maclin had a 35-inch vertical leap in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and New York Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard as 22 teams watched the campus workout.
A former St. Louis Rams receivers coach, Ellard has compared Maclin to a young Torry Holt.
“It’s an honor to have a receiver coach compare you to one of the greatest receivers of all time,” Maclin told Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Torry’s definitely somebody that I idolized.”
– Profootballtalk.com
BTW, Chase Daniels is such an awesome QB that it’s unlikely he’ll even be signed as an UFA.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
snb i like it
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
24 re your post #305… I agree, and maybe it’s coaching or maybe it’s the players, but neither of the two seems to be doing what they’re supposed to. The DE’s seem to be overrunning everything and the LBs are not filling gaps. Solve that, and the run defense improves quite a bit.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell,
not only is that true,but on offense we face the 3-4 10 times with a center who miami traded because he could`nt handle the nose.
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Yeah, I hope Mack is still in their plans.
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Since some are joining late, lets repost the New England debacle. Quite possibly the worst run defense showing ever. No penetration from the Tackles, Ends no where to be seen. Linebackers getting worked over by Pats OGs
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d4f811
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
if we could only get al to….nevermind
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Im not as conviced as everyone else that Curry is goin to KC. I think they will get an OT. They already have descent LBs and at #3, Cury will be a very expensive LB in an area that is not their greatest need.
On the flip side I dont think Curry will fall to #7 either. There is no way he falls beyond the Browns.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
SnB Defense ,
and right now they have the worst ranked passing offense in the league.i love defense.i say all the time i played in a 4-3 under in college.the raiders problem`s are up front.but al davis is not going to draft a dt in the first round.he has`nt done it in over 10 years.he want do it this year.john marshall will be asked to improve the defense with no new players.with any luck you get a second round de.with more luck they will draft a low rated dt in round 4 or 7.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
raidertay Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Im not as conviced as everyone else that Curry is goin to KC. I think they will get an OT. They already have descent LBs and at #3, Cury will be a very expensive LB in an area that is not their greatest need.
On the flip side I dont think Curry will fall to #7 either. There is no way he falls beyond the Browns.
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If not for any other reason, then Rob Ryan wouldn’t want the Raiders to get Curry.
Although I can’t see Seattle passing on Curry unless Monroe is there.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
without stopping the run, we are not going to have time on the field to develope a receiver
April 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
We now move on to week 7. Part 1 of 2. Leon Washington has a run to tie the game in the 4th qtr on 2nd and 6. Pause the clip in the first few seconds (the entire D-Line is moved out of the way) the commentators even say how the Jets lineman dominated at the 2nd level. Gives pause when you think of the Eagles coming to town next year.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bc996b
April 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Raiders D-line is the weakest link!
At the end of the season we were a powerful running team with a decent QB, stellar TE and developing WRs.
In all, our Offense was average-good.
Our D-line, however, blows like a thai h00ker on Fleet Week.
I just can’t see bolstering other areas.
Raiders need a powerful DT to free up (shudder) Kelly, and an agressive DE to provide a pass rush…Burgess is done folks.
Anyone think the D-line is not our weakest link?
Rattling sabers again to “trade Burgess”….
April 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Football 101:
Run the football.
Stop the run.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
5th trade down scenerio (1st post 190, 2nd post 220, 3rd post 263, 4th post 308).
Jets – Other than San Fran, this trade scenerio seems most likely to me. The Jets will come to us if they can’t match what Denver is offering the Jags for their No. 8 pick. The Jets know Denver will likely be reluctant to negotiate with us and dealing with the Raiders will give them a chance to avoid a bidding war with the Broncos. The Jets would love to have Sanchez and coming from all the way down at No. 17 means they will have to pay for it in more ways than one. First drafting at No. 7 as apposed to No. 17 will mean a significantly higher salary will be paid to Sanchez than whoever they picked at No. 17. Second moving up 10 spots in the first round of the draft requires giving up alot. Still if the Jets like Sanchez I could definetly see this trade happening.
Here are the Logistics according to the Draft Value Chart
Raiders No. 7 is worth 1500 points
Raiders No. 126 is worth 46 points
This totals 1546 points
Jets No. 17 is worth 950 points
Jets No. 52 is worth 380 points
Jets No. 76 is worth 210 points
This totals 1540 points
So Raiders give up No. 7 and No. 126, and get No. 17, No. 52 and No. 76.
These are the 5 trade down scenerios I see as most likely on draft day, if anyone else was thinking of any others I’d love to see it. I hope the Raiders trade down as many of the rest of you here hope. Any of these trades would make me happy and in my opinion help make this draft a great ending to an already great offseason.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Did anyone see the Leon Washington clip?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
408….408
April 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
a llinebacker needs a good dline as much as a qb or rb needs a good oline
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Did anyone see the Leon Washington clip?
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Yep, that was horrible too. Right up the middle. Seems like there’s more blockers than tacklers.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
i saw it snb kinda sad when we here no the problem and we have so called pros running our great team that cant seem to see the problem year after year, thats why we now have to replace so many guys on our d-line, even our back ups suck, and its going to take time
April 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
In part 2 we have the Thomas Jones show. Fortunately, Hiram Eugene was at safety and not Michael Huff. Eugene should have been given player of the game because he saved it. Lots of 2nd level blocking, etc….
Watch the 2nd run play and see Gerard Warren get pushed 5 yards UP THE FIELD AND TO THE GROUND!
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bc4915
April 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Here is a little more about the great character of DHB.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.heywardbey14apr14,0,7312803.story
Yep….I would rather see Oakland pick DHB than Maclin who has the same skill set as JLH. The only reason Maclin is rated higher than DHB is because if his return ability. The Raiders need a potential #1 type of WR….not a return man. They already have JLH and Miller for those duties.
Plus, DHB is bigger, faster and stronger than Maclin.
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The reasons Maclin is rated higher than DHB really have little to do with his return ability. Maclin is rated higher because he has WAY, WAY better hands and was 2x as productive as a WR as DHB in college.
DHB = the wide receiver version of 49ers TE Vernon Davis. Both were Maryland guys. Both have eye-popping measurables. Both posted mediocre numbers in college, failing to produce anywhere near what their raw, athletic potential suggests. Ask San Fran how Davis has produced as a top-10 pick.
Another good comparison for DHB is Troy Williamson. He was the No. 7 overall pick in 2005 who vaulted that high in the draft largely due to his raw athletic ability. He’s already on his 2nd team. He also had just 5 catches for 30 yards in all of 2008.
DHB = Troy Williamson
Maclin = Torry Holt
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Maclin compares to Holt?? LOL….No way.
The only reason Maclin was more productive is because of the offenses. Chase Daniels threw the ball in a spread offense and was a better college QB than what DHB had at Maryland. Maryland also ran more of a pro style offense than Mizzou.
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Regarding the Maclin-Holt comparison:
Jeremy Maclin, 6-1, 200
Torry Holt, 6-0, 190
“He has the receiving skills of former Rams standout Torry Holt …”
– NFLDraftScout.com
“According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Maclin had a 35-inch vertical leap in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and New York Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard as 22 teams watched the campus workout.
A former St. Louis Rams receivers coach, Ellard has compared Maclin to a young Torry Holt.
“It’s an honor to have a receiver coach compare you to one of the greatest receivers of all time,” Maclin told Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Torry’s definitely somebody that I idolized.”
– Profootballtalk.com
BTW, Chase Daniels is such an awesome QB that it’s unlikely he’ll even be signed as an UFA.
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I said Daniels was a good college QB in a spread offense that threw the ball ALL the time.
If Daniels or Harrell were the QB’s at Maryland, then DHB would have posted similar #’s.
Why should the Raiders WASTE the #7 overall draft pick on a player that has the same skill set as JLH?
I want a player that brings something else to the table and lets hope Crabtree is there at #7.
Otherwise, the Raiders need to try and TRADE DOWN!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
While we wait for everyone to review the “propaganda” lets get some insight on D-Line play from future Hall of Famer Ray Lewis:
Feb. 21, 2006:
General manager Ozzie Newsome acknowledges Lewis asked to be traded before the 2005 season but added Lewis hasn’t made any such request recently. It was during that season that Lewis appeared less vocal with teammates and made a habit of sitting alone on the bench during games.
April 20, 2006:
Lewis vents his frustration about not having space-eating defensive tackles in front of him that would allow him to roam free. “The issue is: Are you going to let me do what I do?” he asked. “And if not, let me go.” Nine days later, the Ravens draft 340-pound defensive tackle Haloti Ngata.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
what a lot of you are not mentioning is that yes, our offinsive line stunk last year, BUT , that has been rebuilt already with barnes, pears and sataile. we have done nothinmg to improve our defense. all we did was resign players we had already. doesnt make us better. we need to add to our defense if we are going to have a chance of winning. and remember, byrgess is a free agent next year and he is old. im sure this is his last year with us. if we draft a DE at #7 or trade down to get a DE, then next year we wont have to fill 2 DE spots.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
snb that was sad, seeing a grown man pushed around like that, if you are not going to penatrate, at least hold your ground and keep o-lineman off your lb’s, in these cases there is neither
April 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
SnB Defense ,
al davis will never draft b.j. raji this year when the 2010 draft has as many as 7 dt`s projected in the first round.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
5th trade down scenerio (1st post 190, 2nd post 220, 3rd post 263, 4th post 308).
Jets – Other than San Fran, this trade scenerio seems most likely to me. The Jets will come to us if they can’t match what Denver is offering the Jags for their No. 8 pick. The Jets know Denver will likely be reluctant to negotiate with us and dealing with the Raiders will give them a chance to avoid a bidding war with the Broncos. The Jets would love to have Sanchez and coming from all the way down at No. 17 means they will have to pay for it in more ways than one. First drafting at No. 7 as apposed to No. 17 will mean a significantly higher salary will be paid to Sanchez than whoever they picked at No. 17. Second moving up 10 spots in the first round of the draft requires giving up alot. Still if the Jets like Sanchez I could definetly see this trade happening.
Here are the Logistics according to the Draft Value Chart
Raiders No. 7 is worth 1500 points
Raiders No. 126 is worth 46 points
This totals 1546 points
Jets No. 17 is worth 950 points
Jets No. 52 is worth 380 points
Jets No. 76 is worth 210 points
This totals 1540 points
So Raiders give up No. 7 and No. 126, and get No. 17, No. 52 and No. 76.
These are the 5 trade down scenerios I see as most likely on draft day, if anyone else was thinking of any others I’d love to see it. I hope the Raiders trade down as many of the rest of you here hope. Any of these trades would make me happy and in my opinion help make this draft a great ending to an already great offseason.
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Agreed! If Crabtree is not there at #7 and if Sanchez, A Smith, Raji, Orakpo are still on the board…..then the Raiders should do the smart and wise thing and trade down. They need more picks anyhow!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
raiders are not going to trade down, al loves talent too much, or most cases, what he perceives as talent
April 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
a linebacker needs a good dline as much as a QB or RB needs a good oline
April 15th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
SnB Defense ,
al davis will never draft b.j. raji this year when the 2010 draft has as many as 7 dt`s projected in the first round.
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Well, the Giants, Cowboys, Eagles, Ravens and even the Jets have O-Lines that get after you. We can wait till 2010 I guess….Just Win Baby! Right?
April 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
While we wait for the next batch of clips, let’s take a look at a mock draft that could alleviate these problems going into 2009 against the NFC East and AFC North.
1. B.J Raji, DT, BC – Best DT prospect in the draft hands-down. 337lbs, takes on double teams and can penetrate.
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE, SJSU – Very similiar metrics to Mario Williams. A base DE that can rush the passer. 4.7 40 time and 28 reps on the bench. Led the NCAA in tackles for a loss.
3. Jasper Brinkley, MLB, So. Car – Big, fast and can hit and hit hard. A true middle linebacker
4. David Burton, FS, Notre Dame -
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we would be a team none of us would recognize, actually competitive, if only al would do the right thing
April 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Draft hint.
The top three DEFENSES in the league made it to their Conference championship games last year.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
SnB Defense ,
take it up with al not me.john marshall will have to fall on his face before the raiders address the d-line.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
common knowledge,defense wins championships, thats what they tell my 11 year old nephew on his pop warner team , your right sincefrank
April 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Raiders don’t need to trade down…
But we do need an In-your-mother-f^king-face D-line!
Damn last time we had this was Lance Johnstone and McGlockton???
Sh!t!
And Chucky got rid of our last GREAT D-Coach Shaw a decade ago.
Trade Burgess for a 3rd or 4th Round and keep the #7.
Go after a 1) D-line, 2) D-line, 3) OT and 4) DT.
Tired of us getting punked!
Not only do Burgess, Richardson, Kelly, Warren, Sands, W. Joseph not strike fear in anyone, the mere of sight of these SIX PANSY ASSES simply encourages the oppossing team to RUN RIGHT AT US!
Hell, we could Jano on the line and teams might think twice before running at us…
Preach away for Crabtree etc, but lord…ain’t you guys sick of being run through like MR’s mom on prom night????
April 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Let’s focus on pitches to the outside. No penetration from DTs/DEs, LBs disappear or overcommit. The Raiders have no answer for pitch to the left side. Really embarassing. Part 1 of 3:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2e712
April 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
[...] More on Oakland By AO 0 Comments Categories: Ignorant Wisdom and Nfl Tags: 2009 Offseason, 2009 schedule, AFC West Division, Andre Smith, B.J. Raji, Football, Khalif Barnes, Michael Crabtree, Michael Oher, Nfl, Oakland Raiders, Ramses Barden, Samson Steele Yesterday I gave my opinion on how the Raiders will do this upcoming season. Well I get my news about the team instantly from a source I follow, and the blog is on my blogroll on the right. Well today he, the writer, came out with an interesting article. http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/04/15/who-are-cables-fantastic-four/ [...]
April 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Not only do Burgess, Richardson, Kelly, Warren, Sands, W. Joseph not strike fear in anyone, the mere of sight of these SIX PANSY ASSES simply encourages the oppossing team to RUN RIGHT AT US!
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well put
April 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
The only WR that Oakland should draft with the #7 pick should be Crabtree.
Otherwise the pick should be A Smith to be the starting RT or they need to TRADE DOWN to a team that wants Sanchez and draft O-Line and D-Line and then worry about getting a WR like Bardem or Turner in Rounds 3 or 4.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
SinceFrankYouellField Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Draft hint.
The top three DEFENSES in the league made it to their Conference championship games last year.
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I’ll throw another at you. The Steelers have taken more WR’s in the 1st or 2nd rounds in the last ten years (5) than any other position. There Defensive player of the year was undrafted.
Those teams in the Conference champion teams are loaded with 1st or 2nd round picks at WR (Holmes, Fitz, Desean Jackson, Boldin, Mark Clayton, Reggie Brown and maybe a few others).
April 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
that falcons video was horrible
April 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
In part 2 of 3 of outside pitches to the left, we look at Reggie Bush running nearly the same identical play in the Jerious Norwood clip earlier. No penetration, no LB’s near the play and Nnamdi getting crunched by a pulling guard.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b9ab09
April 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
poor nnamdi , good effort though, i didnt see anybody else in there
April 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
SnB Defense ,
the first video is on the scheme,not the players.howard is lost but with the motion d.hall had out side contain.bad scheme.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Some of the better Raider DTs have come in later rounds…Jackson, Rod Coleman (who was a converted linbacker for Christ sake), etc.
But we need that DE…a menace to society type.
Someone who requires opposing to teams to sign legal waivers when they play us…the type who will hunt you down in the parking lot…Charles Haley II.
A f^cking defense line so bad that the Raiders offically change the Colluseum to the Bleading Grounds.
Leave ‘em bleedin.
Nuff Said.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
And finally the last of the 3 part pitch series has Marshawn Lynch running the same damn play. Also, big 4th down stop and Burgess can’t make a tackle. Also of note was a poor showing by Morrison on a missed tackle in the 4th. The Morrison clip is not in here though
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80afe3d3
April 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
SnB,
Your Leon Washington play had Kelly getting doubled at the line, and Warren was 2 yards in the backfield causing Washington’s initial cut.
And there were STILL no LBs to be found! And was that another blown tackle by the S?
We need physical LBs man!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
SnB Defense ,,
the second video is on howard ,plain and simple.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
the second video nobody could shed a block
April 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
They tell me Al Davis actually reads this blog. Hope so. If he isn’t affected by MR’s rants, (which, though depressing, are FACTUAL), he would hopefully find motivation to adjust his thought processes by paying attention to posts like those from SnB.
Yep, Defense DOES win championships. Did for past Raiders teams. The team has a bunch of weak spots, but all of football history tells us that, to be successful, you must start from square one and build defense first from the inside out.
Think about the really good teams in NFL history. You can always name one or two absolute STUDS on the defensive line. WE HAVE NONE!
Al, pay attention. Employ the KISS method in this year’s draft.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Watch the 2nd run play and see Gerard Warren get pushed 5 yards UP THE FIELD AND TO THE GROUND!
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See this is why I say propaganda. This was a sweep play where he took a backwards step to try and chase the play down. It was running away from him SnB, come on. The hand in his BACK pushed him to the ground.
Geeze!
And again sir, we held the Jets to under 17 pts, and won the game!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Lowdown…
Needless to say when Al goes: 1st.WR, 2nd.Saftey, 3rd. Trade, for a past his prime DE. You just might be a little po’d.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
While Atlanta game was certainly a “team” collapse of a measure I haven’t seen since the 51-3 whipping in the early 90’s. Anyhow, the defensive line gets anhilated in this one. No presence from your DTs or DEs and the linebackers disappeared in a sea of red and white. Huge holes opened up.
Aren’t you tired of hearing Hiram Eugene’s name so often?
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c27781
April 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
SnB Defense ,
3rd video is on r.brown.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Vegas. True about how the Steelers drafted. BECAUSE THEIR DEFENSE WAS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SET.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
the 3rd video at the beginning the end and the lb get pulverized by receivers an d leaves the rest of the o-lineman coming like a wave
April 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
safety…..errrrrr…
April 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Not trying to make the point that WR is more important than WR, just showing that many elite teams make an effort to use early round picks on WR. Yes, stopping the run is more important, but a complete NFL team has a good WR core as well (Steelers as a perfect example). We have drafted one (Porter) in the first two rounds the last TEN FREAKIN YEARS!!!! No wonder the unit was pathetic last year. It is time to throw a bone to the unit.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Man, you had to bring this up. You had to remind me of that last play of this video where the whole d-line and linebacks get run over.
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SnB Defense Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
And finally the last of the 3 part pitch series has Marshawn Lynch running the same damn play. Also, big 4th down stop and Burgess can’t make a tackle. Also of note was a poor showing by Morrison on a missed tackle in the 4th. The Morrison clip is not in here though
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80afe3d3
April 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
909-
You think???
LOL-Al will take a CB in the first.
Nice.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Who is Cable’s Fearless Foursome?
Burges, Kelly, Warren & Richardson.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
JHill,
On the Leon Washington run Kelly was blocked by #60…#66 made the block on the linebacker
April 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
SinceFrankYouellField Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Vegas. True about how the Steelers drafted. BECAUSE THEIR DEFENSE WAS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SET.
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For 10 years it has been set due to scheme and quality coaching. The have spent high picks on a few LB’s, but the players have been changed over the years, but the coaches have all been tough-minded physically demanding types.
They know they can develop there D with mid-round picks and have used early picks on WR’s, QB’s and RB’s. Look at there past drafts, lots of offense early.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Lowdown, you just had to say it. Now I am depressed again!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
All of your video, or a majority of it, are running plays to the edge, or cutbacks.
We need that menacing DE like Lowdown discribes. Not to mention some menacing LBs.
But the 32 ranked pass offense has to be a priority. It’s worse than our run defense.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Lowdown…
Yup, that kid from Ohio St. (can’t think of his name)
Book it.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
On that note, I’m out for the day.
D-line and WR have to be the first two picks, in one way or another (Crabs/Brace or Raji/Nicks or Brown/Barden)
LB in later rounds and maybe another O-line prospect or Safety prospect.
Later nation!
April 15th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
On the Leon Washington run Kelly was blocked by #60…#66 made the block on the linebacker
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he peeled off of Kelly 5 yards down the field and blocked the LB. But Kelly was clearly doubled at the start of the play.
Just watched it again.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
The Ravens had 20 carries of 4 yards or more on their way to 192 yards rushing.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
what is the raiders starting front seven.
LDE-BURGESS(UNDERSIZED)
DT-KELLY(UNDRAFTED)
NT-WARREN(NOT A 1 TECH)
RDE-RICHARDSON(6TH ROUND PICK)
WLB-HOWARD(2ND ROUND PICK)
MLB-MORRISON(3RD ROUND PICK)
SLB-BROWN(?)UNDRAFTED MAYBE
April 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Vegas, you are right in how Pitt went about building their team. But they didn’t just neglect the defense. Raiders’ defensive front stinks. Since we have done NOTHING to improve it……it MUST BE GIVEN FIRST PRIORITY IN THE DRAFT. I see no stellar free agents out there right now….and we haven’t even built a decent corps of back-ups in the draft OR free agency. We currently have next to nothing on the D-line.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
http://www.globalgamenetwork.com/cgi-bin/westwardtrail.pl?command=startgame
Try playing this freakin game. Talk about a struggle. Its like The Oregon Trail. I beat it with everyone alive the 2nd time. I lost the 1st time as we reverted to cannibalism and died haha. Brutal!
April 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Who is Cable’s Fearless Foursome?
Burges, Kelly, Warren & Richardson.
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Those are our starters. Without question Richardson and Burgess need to be replaced. And that’s not saying that Warren or Kelly are headed to the pro bowl anytime soon. But Burgess and Richardson HAVE to be addressed first.
You could line up Ngata and Jamal Williams as our DTs, and if we still have Burgess, Richardson, Ricky Brown, and Morrison in their respective spots, we are going to have the same issues. All the other team has to do is pull a G in the hole, and send a TE to Morrison, and it’s 5 yards all day long. Or should I say 4.7 yards all day long.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Jhill. Glad you corrected yourself. No need to be brutal!
April 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
DALLAS COWBOYS DRAFTED IN ORDER-
1988-IRVIN(WR)
1989-AIKMAN(QB)
1990-SMITH(RB)
BUT THEY NEVER FORGOT ABOUT DEFENSE.
RAIDERS
2007-RUSSELL(QB)
2008-MCFADDEN(RB)
2009-?
GET J-RUSS A WR OR TRADE BACK.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Finally, the Miami clips. More runs into the secondary. One of these runs was a garbage time run at the end of the half. The rest were a lot of wildcat and runs up the middle.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c86427
April 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin may get his wish to be traded. Coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday the team is willing to listen to offers.
Boldin
Boldin has asked to be traded since last season after teammate Larry Fitzgerald received a four-year, $40 million contract. Boldin has two years remaining on the six-year, $33.99 million deal he signed in 2005. Though the team wants to give him an extension, they aren’t expected to give him a Fitzgerald-type deal.
Whisenhunt, speaking to Arizona reporters Wednesday, opened the door for the team to receive trade offers.
NFL.com Video
Check out the top highlights of Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin from 2008.
“Before the draft, you know there is going to be talk about Anquan and his situation and a trade,” Whisenhunt said. “Since not a whole lot has changed with his contractual situation, we know that will come back. It would be foolish from out standpoint not to listen to those opportunities and see what actually exists. But I want to make the points — our goal is to re-sign him to a long-term deal. That hasn’t changed.”
Boldin continues to bring up the idea of a trade. With contract talks at a standstill, the Cardinals can listen to offers before the draft. The Eagles and Giants might be at the top of the list.
Boldin is considered a No. 1 wide receiver so it could cost a No. 1 and No. 3 draft choice to acquire him.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
That was from ESPN.com…lets go get Boldin.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
JHILL,
WHEN YOU FACE NGATA AND WILLIAMS YOU CAN`T PULL GUARDS OR YOUR CENTER WILL BE SHOVED BACK INTO THE QB.WE FACE THE 3-4 10 TIMES WE NEED A CENTER.TRADE BACK AND GET MACK PLUS EXTRA PICKS.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
DALLAS COWBOYS DRAFTED IN ORDER-
1988-IRVIN(WR)
1989-AIKMAN(QB)
1990-SMITH(RB)
BUT THEY NEVER FORGOT ABOUT DEFENSE.
RAIDERS
2007-RUSSELL(QB)
2008-MCFADDEN(RB)
2009-?
GET J-RUSS A WR OR TRADE BACK.
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They also had a Hershall Walker deal to build their defense.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
If it were me SnB, I’d get back to what they were talking about when they resigned Kelly and move him around a la Richard Seymore. I think Warren would be a better player for Kelly’s position, and Kelly should start at base DE and move to DT on passing downs.
I’d like to see …
Base DE – Kelly
NT – Brace or Moala
DT – Warren
RDE – Burgess/Scott
April 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
And the sad part is that it’s not Slob Ryan’s fault.
This is an Al Davis defense!
Al believes that the only reason we’re not winning is because the O doesn’t score enough points.
Part of that is true, but as Blackdeath29 points out, we don’t have one football player in our front seven.
Al’s answer, draft a WR. Man, I need a drink.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Jhill. Glad you corrected yourself. No need to be brutal!
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Como?
April 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
BD29,
Sorry, but I am a Satele fan! I like the big Samoan!
He didn’t have any problems with those 3-4 NTs his rookie year! That’s why he was named to the all rookie team. He played last year with a bum shoulder, which he already had surgery on this offseason. I wanted him or Khalil 2 years ago coming out of school, so I am stoked to get him now!
F what Parcells is going through. There was no negative talk until Parcells comes in and trades him. Now it’s all of a sudden uh-oh, if Parcells traded him, he must suck? Well weren’t most of us calling Parcells an idiot just a few weeks earlier when he gave Grove all that $?
Too fuuny!
April 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
SnB Defense ,
the point is dallas used the later rounds to take care of the defense with extra picks from walker trade.the raiders have 5 picks.we need more picks.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
The Raiders need a DT, a Base DE and a linebacker:
1. B.J Raji, DT – Big, takes on double teams, hard to move and can penetrate and get in the backfield. How many plays on those clips did you see anyone getting into the backfield….let alone holding their ground
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE – Same measurables as Mario Williams. Led the Nation in tackles for a loss and also had 9.5 sacks…He’s big 288lbs, fast 4.76 40 strong and athletic. He will hold the point and not get knocked out of plays on those runs RT runs and sweeps
3. Jasper Brinkly, MLB – He’s bigger 262lbs and more physical than Morrison. Prototype size and strength for the inside linebacker position. … Immediate impact defender for South Carolina after transferring from Georgia Military College, and improved gradually. … Shows some burst as pass rusher on the blitz. … Good short-area quickness to elude blockers. … Reliable open-field tackler and can be a punisher inside.
If the Raiders want to stop getting run the hell over every week….I would recommend the first 3 picks go this way. The defense right now is badly broken. Free agency is not going to get it done. Gotta go to the draft and rely on the coaches to get them ready
April 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
jhill Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
If it were me SnB, I’d get back to what they were talking about when they resigned Kelly and move him around a la Richard Seymore. I think Warren would be a better player for Kelly’s position, and Kelly should start at base DE and move to DT on passing downs.
I’d like to see …
Base DE – Kelly
NT – Brace or Moala
DT – Warren
RDE – Burgess/Scott
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I could accept that lineup and Kelly could hold the point on the outside and Warren is a decent UT.
I would take Brace over Moala though. I am not sure if Moala is the NT we need.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
jhill Says,
they both messed up.give me mack and move satele to guard.put copper on the bench.now that`s power.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
SnB Defense ,
the point is dallas used the later rounds to take care of the defense with extra picks from walker trade.the raiders have 5 picks.we need more picks.
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But late round picks are so unpredictable and are for depth, not starters. If a starter emerges, great, buy more likely these are players with short careers and limited opportunities.
The Raiders need at least 2 starters on that shoddy defense. They need a DT and an LDE to hold the point on runs and provide some pass rush. A middle linebacker would be helpful as well. Starters come from the 1st 2 rounds. 3rd rounders are development guys and 4 through 7 are depth or hope for a diamond in the rough.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
BJ Raji did not play NT in college SnB, PERIOD!
To pay him #7 money to change positions and hope he can be more of a man than Gerrard Warren or Sands is just not computing to me.
Do we need an answer at DT? Yes!
Is Raji that answer? I just don’t see it man. Sorry!
Whose the big double team commanding DT on the Giants?
Who are some other 4-3 DTs? Brunkley? Brunkley might be a good comparison to Raji’s upside, and he was not a #7 pick.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I would take Brace over Moala though. I am not sure if Moala is the NT we need.
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Only reason I’m leaning towards Moala or Hood over Brace is they are 3 down DTs. I like the way the Giants run there 4-3 Dline.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
SnB Defense ,
they need 1 maybe 2 starters on offense on o too.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
give me mack and move satele to guard.put copper on the bench.now that`s power.
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Very true!
I think Cooper is the new weak link, and definitely needs to be upgraded. But Satele is a huge upgrade over Grove. I know that for sure!
Moot though, as like Andre Smith in the 1st, Mack will not be there when we draft in the 2nd.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
jhill ,
moala is very talented.could turn out to be a steal.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
jhill,
trade down and get extra picks.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
If we traded down with Philly (don’t think it would happen) I would want to end up with a DT, WR, and a MLB.
Of course that factors in me moving Kelly around to base DE, and DT on pass downs.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I think I would go Perria(sp) or Moala at 20 before Miami or Tenn get in there.
I take that WR comment back!
I’d probably take Jarron Gilbert with that 2nd #1.
And I’d take Brinkley in the 2nd rd.
I’d wait until the 3rd rd to take a WR or S if we are trading Huff.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Satele or Grove? Doesn’t Tom Flores have the same number of Super Bowl wins as the “genius” Parcells? Ask Tom who is better for the Raider scheme.
Keep signing and drafting O-lineman until it is right for winning ballgames. Smith, Oher, Mack, Unger, Loadholt – whatever it takes. JHill called it the “hope strategy” to win with Marshall’s D. Hell yes. I hope so.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Maclin compares to Holt?? LOL….No way.
The only reason Maclin was more productive is because of the offenses. Chase Daniels threw the ball in a spread offense and was a better college QB than what DHB had at Maryland. Maryland also ran more of a pro style offense than Mizzou.
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Chris in NY Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Regarding the Maclin-Holt comparison:
Jeremy Maclin, 6-1, 200
Torry Holt, 6-0, 190
“He has the receiving skills of former Rams standout Torry Holt …”
– NFLDraftScout.com
“According to Gil Brandt of NFL.com, Maclin had a 35-inch vertical leap in front of Cincinnati Bengals wide receivers coach Mike Sheppard and New York Jets wide receivers coach Henry Ellard as 22 teams watched the campus workout.
A former St. Louis Rams receivers coach, Ellard has compared Maclin to a young Torry Holt.
“It’s an honor to have a receiver coach compare you to one of the greatest receivers of all time,” Maclin told Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Torry’s definitely somebody that I idolized.”
– Profootballtalk.com
BTW, Chase Daniels is such an awesome QB that it’s unlikely he’ll even be signed as an UFA.
^^^^^^^
# DKnight007 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I said Daniels was a good college QB in a spread offense that threw the ball ALL the time.
If Daniels or Harrell were the QB’s at Maryland, then DHB would have posted similar #’s.
Why should the Raiders WASTE the #7 overall draft pick on a player that has the same skill set as JLH?
I want a player that brings something else to the table and lets hope Crabtree is there at #7.
Otherwise, the Raiders need to try and TRADE DOWN!
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I can agree with you on the option of trading down if there’s a good deal. A lot of really good players will be available from late Round 1 through Round 3 and even into the later rounds.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to compare DHB to Maclin though. They’re not in the same class. Maclin had MORE THAN DOUBLE the catches, yards and TDs that DHB had in 2008. Missouri threw the ball 10 times more per game than Maryland. Texas Tech threw 10 more times per game than Missouri, yet Maclin matched Crabtree’s numbers — he didn’t get half the numbers like DHB did.
Having said that I would lean toward taking Crabtree or Maualuga over Maclin at No. 7. I wouldn’t touch DHB though. How many elite WRs can you name in the last 5-10 years who posted such pedestrian college numbers?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Actually M, it was SnB who coined the hope take, LOL!
The disappointing thing about drafting OT is admitting that we wasted a FA signing in Barnes. There was never a question that one of the 4 cadillacs would be there at 7, so bring in Barnes?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Draft Tracker
As the predraft visits heat up with less than two weeks to go before the Raiders go on the clock at No. 7, here’s a chart of the goings and comings of players the Raiders have looking at. It will be updated daily with confirmed info as needed before the April 25-26 show begins.
ALAMEDA VISITS
Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina — April 9
Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M — April 11
Phil Loadholt, LT, Oklahoma — April 14
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest — April 14
Michael Mitchell, SS, Ohio — April 16
Brandon Meyers, TE, Iowa — April 14
Russell Allen, LB, San Diego State — N/A
PRIVATE WORKOUTS
Derek Cox, CB, William & Mary
Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest
Alphonso Smith, DB, Wake Forest
Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Zach Follett, LB, Cal
NFL COMBINE FORMAL INTERVIEWS
Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St.
Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian
Derek Cox, CB, William & Mary
Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly
Jamon Meredith, OL, South Carolina
B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
OTHERS OF INTEREST
Frank Summers, RB, UNLV
Tez Doolittle, DL, Auburn
Gerald Cadogan, OL, Penn State
Kevin Akins, OLB/SS, Boston College
April 15th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
don`t sleep on dhb.he does`nt have the stats but he is first round talent just not at #7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ
April 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Raiders will draft someone in the top 10 who is the best person at his position.
Russell
McFadden
Huff
Gallery
April 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I’m beginning to think it’s Crabtree.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
what is the raiders starting front seven.
LDE-BURGESS(UNDERSIZED)
DT-KELLY(UNDRAFTED)
NT-WARREN(NOT A 1 TECH)
RDE-RICHARDSON(6TH ROUND PICK)
WLB-HOWARD(2ND ROUND PICK)
MLB-MORRISON(3RD ROUND PICK)
SLB-BROWN(?)UNDRAFTED MAYBE
^^^^^^
Players that would fit in the Raiders D-Line that are long, strong and stout are Robert Ayers and Jarron Gilbert IMO.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Ideal scenario:
Trade the No. 7 pick to a mid-1st round team eyeing Sanchez for a 1st, 2nd and 6th rounder. Then …
1st) Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
2nd) Michael Johnson, DE, G. Tech
2nd) Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
3rd) Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
4th) Zach Follet, OLB, California
6th) Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State
7th) Tiquan Underwood, WR, Rutgers
Possible UFAs:
– DJ Boldin, WR, Wake Forest
– Jon Cooper, C, Oklahoma
– Blake Schlueter, C, TCU
– Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU
– Jeremy Navarre, DE, Maryland
FAs:
– Roy Williams, S
– Amani Toomer, WR
April 15th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
the more i think about it.it`s a trade down to get more picks.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I’m beginning to think it’s Crabtree.
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Al likes big names.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Raji’s message to Al Davis. Morrison shows up in here somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXsIsjUv46o
April 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
i don`t think crabtree will be their at #7.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I think it’s been Crabtree all along.
The OL acquisitons have been to placate Cable.
The question is who, if Crab is gone.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I think it’s been Crabtree all along.
The OL acquisitions have been to placate Cable.
The question is who, if Crab is gone?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
How did that happen?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
maclin`s message to al davis.russell shows up in here somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj2acqpiOdE
April 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Boldin could go to NY which would suck for Cleveland. If that happens, Crabtree could be available at 7.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Twocents – The door has been opened by the Cardinals in regards to Boldin. If Crabtree is the pick and hes gone by 7th…Why wouldn’t Davis make the trade for him?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
JHill – You make a good point and no matter what…that leaves us with an option. Crabtree or Boldin.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I’m not sure why he’s only projected as a 7th rounder, but Tiquan Underwood (Rutgers, 6-1, 185, 4.3 speed) would be an absolute steal late in this draft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC0740vG08&feature=related
April 15th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Crabtree – 6′1 215lbs 4.55 Speed 21 Years old
Boldin 6′1 217lbs 4.71 Speed 28 Years old
The Age is the biggest difference but Boldin is already a playmaker. Can you guys believe Boldin posted a 4.71 speed at the combine? He ended up drafted in the 2nd round and played better than 1st round pick Bryant Johnson of the Cardinals during the same here. Boldin makes Crabtree look fast.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I like Boldin and all, but he is 28. Looks like by the time we’re done adding all the right pieces he’d be on his way out.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
maclin`s message to al davis.russell shows up in here somewhere.
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Nice LOL
April 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I know we need a WR, but after SnB’s arguments, I’m just sick about our D.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
VT Raider – There will be another great prospect in the draft that we can look at down the road. Trade for Boldin now, fix the defense and draft a Top WR later as Boldin reaches about 33. In the meantime, we have Walker, Higgins, Schilens and Shields to compliment him.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
VT Raider – I say this with the intention of drafting Crabtree but if that fails, go with Boldin.
If its not Larry Fitzgerald, its Calvin Johnson and then its Michael Crabtree or Andre Johnson or someone else. There will always be a Top WR available in another draft.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
The dissing of an injured T Kelly shows how many idiots we have on this blog. You people make me sick.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
And our first round pick this year should go towards rebuilding the defense. That’s my point.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Wikipedia.com
espite the initial concerns of the NFL scouts after Boldin registered a relatively slow 4.71 time in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, Boldin has broken several NFL records. In his rookie year, Boldin had 101 catches and was the only rookie selected to the 2004 Pro Bowl. Boldin also set an NFL record for most receiving yards by a rookie in his first game (217), and holds the NFL record for most receptions in the first 26 games of an NFL career (157) as well as the fastest to record 300 career receptions (47 games).
(Boldin broke all these records without having elite speed.)
April 15th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
If Al and Cable like Higgins, Schilens and Shields as much as they say they do, then I think they have to pick defense. We need a run stopper in the middle. Either a DT or MLB. I think Morrison should be playing outside anyway. It’s time stop making every running back in the league look like a superstar.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
I hear excuses for Russell all day! Kelly has a true NT? How bout a big run stopping LDE? A base RDE? A true MLB? Shut the fuk up then. You guys deserve an ultimate beatdown!
April 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
People…lets face it. Al Davis isn’t going to get the defensive players we want ok? Hes going to continue to get undersized but fast defensive ends. He will bulk in the middle of the line however. His linebackers will be fast and about 240lbs. His Corners will run 4.25 40 yard dashes. His safeties will hit and miss.
When it comes to offense however, Davis will bring us playmakers so since our defense won’t ever change the way we’d like it to…lets go get some offense so we’ll have something worth watching and hopefully they’ll have the ball for 40 mins a game.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Fuk Anquain Boldin! We dont need him!
April 15th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Krappy, for crying out loud – you can’t think straight to begin with, so how can we possibly believe Crabtree could be the pick?
If you had substantial evidence or at least the thought capacity of a man half your age, there would be some merit.
Anyway you old goat, get out of those poop-ridden shorts, finish your slurpee, log of the interblog and get onto your theraputic mattress.
Hurry, Krappy!
April 15th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Team lacks toughness in the trenches and you dipshyts want a WR? Amazing
April 15th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
To me, a big time FA WR is an accessory to be added after your core is complete. If you get lucky with one in the draft, you’re ahead of the game.
April 15th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Brien – So what do you want then? Who do you want to draft?
April 15th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
The team cant convert in goaline and redzone situations or wont stop the run or get enough pressure on 3rd down. You idiots love losing
April 15th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Brain wants to draft the most lady-like athlete in the draft. One which matches his exact feminine specifications. Brian is very particular about how his football players look, and he will never take no for an answer.
Isn’t that right, lil Brian?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Get someone who does dirty work! OL,DL and MLB are the weak areas. You cant be serious to think wr at 7 helps us
April 15th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
I know I’m talkin up the WR’s but I’m certainly not against one of the top OT’s, B.J. Raji or Maualuga. If we go with one of those, I’m fine with that as well.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
What’s up Nation.
Any good news, did I miss anything?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Yea bitchem i want lady like players. OL,DL and MLB are such ladies
April 15th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I just think we need a DE, not a DT. I think we lack in run support, mainly because we have poor DE’s. I like Tyson Jackson but he won’t be picked at #7. I really like Maualuga but does he become useless without a complete defensive line? The OT’s would be the smartest choice. Crabtree would give us more firepower.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Raider O – Boldin is for Sale!
April 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
24, I’m fine with any one of those. an OT or a big run stuffer in the middle.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I dont even like Raji at all but better than maclin or craptree
April 15th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Fine then, Brian. Tell me who you want to draft and I’ll tell you – being totally honest – if he’s a femme player in your mold.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Elways Teeth – Thats the beauty of this draft really. I don’t see us losing with alot of the available picks.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Tyson is not a 4/3 DE. He is worse than Richardson vs the pass. He is a backup
April 15th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Brien – I’m guessing you’re confident with Walker, Higgins and Schilens?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Tyson should be more stout vs. the run. Scott can come in on passing downs if thats what they choose to do. Stopping the run is the most important no?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Bitchem your 49eresque humor is designated for the Lifetime Channel. This is a football blog not some MTV show where you come out the closet.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
24,
Is Boldin really up for trade?!
April 15th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
If we get Andre Smith, we gonna have to get him some sports bras. Once he keeps those things from swinging, nobody will touch JaMarcus.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
24 Says: Thats the beauty of this draft really. I don’t see us losing with alot of the available picks.
I’d agree up to a point. I like Crabtree, but I really think we need to stop the run. We need a solid OT really badly too. My preference:
1. DT or MLB
2. OT
3. WR
4. Safety
April 15th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
ESPN.com
Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin may get his wish to be traded. Coach Ken Whisenhunt said Wednesday the team is willing to listen to offers.
Boldin
Boldin has asked to be traded since last season after teammate Larry Fitzgerald received a four-year, $40 million contract. Boldin has two years remaining on the six-year, $33.99 million deal he signed in 2005. Though the team wants to give him an extension, the Cardinals aren’t expected to give him a Fitzgerald-type deal.
Whisenhunt, speaking to Arizona reporters Wednesday, opened the door for the team to receive trade offers.
NFL.com Video
Check out the top highlights of Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin from 2008.
“Before the draft, you know there is going to be talk about Anquan and his situation and a trade,” Whisenhunt said. “Since not a whole lot has changed with his contractual situation, we know that will come back. It would be foolish from out standpoint not to listen to those opportunities and see what actually exists. But I want to make the points — our goal is to re-sign him to a long-term deal. That hasn’t changed.”
Boldin continues to bring up the idea of a trade. With contract talks at a standstill, the Cardinals can listen to offers before the draft. The Eagles and Giants might be at the top of the list.
Boldin is considered a No. 1 wide receiver so it could cost a No. 1 and No. 3 draft choice to acquire him.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Maualuga would be awesome. Could he be the next Ray Lewis? I’d rather find out with him as a Raider instead of a Charger or Bronco.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
24, and watkins/shields for that matter. Let the young guys play. They dont have the big contracts and will play like hell
April 15th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The WR thing is exciting because we haven’t had anybody great since Tim Brown so its hard not to get amped up with the idea but despite having Brown all those years, we had alot of poor seasons so I know a WR isn’t the answer but it could make our offense really good.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Watkins and Shields?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, lets just add some more fringe NFL players to the WR core. Put all those guys togeteher and you still dont have a number 1. Oh, but they will play like hell. Sweet. Idiot
April 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Brien – I’m not against the young guys. I’m not exactly sold on whether they’ll become anything because of how many late draft WR’s we’ve had come through here but Walker gives us some experience at least.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
We need everydown DEs not ones who need to come out on passing downs or can’t play the run.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Maualuga is the only player at 7 that upgrades the team from being soft. If you dont see that then you dont know nfl football
April 15th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
24, I’d take Maualuga in a heartbeat. And I’d like to see him be the next Ray Lewis against the Chargers, Chiefs and Broncos twice a year for the next ten years.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Watkins has had enough time to do something and he hasn’t so I don’t think he will. Shields is an unknown. Schilens is hot and cold and Higgins “should” have a breakout season in his 3rd season. Walker is a mystery who could make or break the team.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
T. Brown = Mr. Raider?
T. Brown = out of bounds
April 15th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
The board IQ has fallen, Dude is here
April 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
JHill – Finding one is tough, especially considering how many tweeners are coming out these days. Too many DE/LB’s who are perfect for 3-4 defenses.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Ms Outta Bounds is fairy rice
April 15th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Brown was great at catching the ball and diving towards the ground just as a hitter was coming in. He always dodged those big hits.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
So Dude, you havent noticed the big money WRs lately havent worked in Oakland? Aint it time to do something else? Dumb bitch
April 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
24, he did that late in his career but Rice did that her whole career
April 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
How could I not bring it down? I mean you had it SO high with your brilliant comment on the WR core. Todd Watkins?!! Wow. Congrats you are the dumbest poster on here. Todd Watkins!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Brain, I think you’re the only one on here who is familiar with MTV programming, and definitely the only one who watches a specific show about men coming out of the closet.
In case there are other “curios” men on here like yourself, why don’t you tell everyone the name of your show and when it comes on.
Now tell me, who specifically do you want to draft?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Raider lack toughness where it counts and all you guys can talk is this bullshyt about a wr who wont do shyt in 09
April 15th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
2008: Best of Anquan Boldin (Video)
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e740e5&campaign=ec0009
April 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Whens the last time they drafted one in the first rd?
Because Moss quit and Al Davis made a rediculous move in signing Walker the recieving core should just be ignored and continue to be a major hole? LOL! You keep cementing your spot as the biggest idiot on here.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Dude to be a 5th wr i see no issue. Who called for him to start?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Thats all you can say. Toughness, toughness, toughness. Say it a couple more times. Morrison aint great. But he is hardly a main reason this team sux and sure as hell wouldnt be called “un-tough”
April 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Bigges idiot on the blog? So who called for jlh,chaz and mario to start since the summer? I was the only one to do that. No Im way more on it than you
April 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
32nd ranked pass offense must be addressed. We only have 3 WRs to speak of in JLH, Schillens, and the unproven Shields.
Maulauga is my first choice, but I wouldn’t be mad if we took the 1st WR off the board. I’d rather have Crabtree or Maclin to go with those other 3 than Walker, Holland, or Watkins.
Anyone that is the #1 guy at his position at WR, LB, OT, or DE is fine with me at 7.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Dude, wr wasnt the major hole then! It was OL and Qb you idiot
April 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Who gives a “shyt” about the 5 th reciever? WHo would even mention it?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Brian answer the question you little lady!
April 15th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Kirk is a big reason why the D sux. He hardly makes plays a mlb should
April 15th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
And what did those 3 do, exactly? All pro? Playoffs?
WR wasnt a hole when? WTF are you even talking about?
Serious question… Are you retarded or slow? Cause if you are I will lay off.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Getting David Bruton out of Notre Dame in the 3rd round would be a great move at safety. Not a whole lot of pressure on Bruton since he would be a later round pick, but there’s an outside chance (very outside chance) that it could light a fire under Michael Huff. Even if it doesn’t do that, Notre Dame has produced some very solid safeties in the past few years, with Tom Zbikowski (Ravens) and Chidedum Ndukwe (Bengals) becoming formidable young players.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Dude you idiot if you were following the posts with me and 24 then you would see I wont mind him being a guy for depth. But you are such a bitch you jump in and dont know shyt spewing garbage
April 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Chinedum*
April 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
He makes a TON of tackles and also misses his share too. But he is far down the list of problems.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Dude listen to the presser in April and hear Al speak on those 3. Stop you arent smart enough
April 15th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I’d love to see Kirk Morrison be a SLB again, he’s really well suited for that position. I think it would help us a lot to get some veteran leadership at MLB, a la Bill Romanowski.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Misses a ton and cant shed blocks. He also doesnt read plays well
April 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Because AL is the voice of reason!!! I asked a question, answer it. What did they do? Answer Beechams while your at it too. Who would you draft?
Are you retarded or not?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
He doesnt miss a ton. He must shed blocks cause he ranked pretty high in the NFL in tackles while playing with garbage DTs and he flows well to the ball so you really have no clue.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Dude you are a newbie and dont even follow the Raiders. It was evidenced by your stance Farglass should start again lol
April 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Dude co signing for an idiot like Bitchem is fitting lol. Scroll up or back to posts over the last month. Its easy to do it
April 15th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
My god Dude youre an idiot. Have you not seen the posts where everyone cites examples of kirk sucking at mlb?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Morrison was number 5 in the league in tackles, but yeah he sux.
I said Fargas WILL start never said SHOULD.
Are you so stupid you cant even answer simple questions?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Kirk,Warren,Burgess and Richardson shouldnt start. Its awful
April 15th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Dont need examples. Seen every game hes ever played. I dont think hes great, as I said, but hes decent enough and makes alot of tackles. Period. There are far greater needs on this team than MLB. Find ONE “Draft site/guru” who names MLB as a need position for the Raiders.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
You shouldnt type. Your awful.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Stats are for losers. Farglass wont start MR I mean Dude. Stu Schygirl had lots of tackles as well. Your point?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Yo brien, did ya make it out there today?..I never did,..by the way, draft Raji or Andre,..I was thinking Rey, but nah, not at 7.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
You shouldnt be allowed in public. Kirk isnt decent. The mlb is the qb of the D and it stinks. He is a big part of it. Draft gurus? Only folks with nada to say for themselves listen to SITES
April 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Lots of tackles at safety and at MLB are the same. LOL
Swiegert ever rank in the top 5 in the NFL?
Started all last year and in 07. Why will this year be any different?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
You know more than the guys at ESPN, NFL net, SI, etc. etc.?
April 15th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Morrison sucks at mlb,..just ask LT.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Funny how there is a 100% consensus on the Raiders needs, OL, DL, WR, S. Wait, wheres MLB? Oh thats right its not a need.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Morrison was number 5 in the league in tackles, but yeah he sux.
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Yes, he sux as a MLB for us, or should I say he is not the physical presene we need at MLB. Not his fault though. Should have stayed at OLB where he started. Another failed case of a player playing out of position.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I’ve read all the stories about Todd Watkins catching everything thrown in sight but he must have been doing it during Cable’s lunch break or his pressers. If we draft a receiver in any round and Watkins makes the team then we still have scholarships. Since I’ve been watching, Holland has made more plays.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
You cited number of tackles as your basis and I countered. You are are scrambling
April 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
draft andre at 7,..please!!!
April 15th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Your counter was Shygirl. I asked if he ever ranked in the top 5. Did he?
April 15th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Jhill is rite. Im gone to the bar
April 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Im gone,…cya brien.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Talk like youve been there for oh, a week. Good job on those questions I asked you. Hows it feel to be destroyed by a “newbie”?
April 15th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
MR or Dude go find a woman
April 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Had yours, but she stunk and was too fat so I let her walk.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Dude you said nada to prove your point. You arent smart enough. Jhill handle my light work. He cant find a logical base to stand on. Lol bye
April 15th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I’m good with Andre Smith at seven. Saban said that whoever gets him will get one helluva player and a high character guy. I’d also get teammate Antoine Caldwell in the 4th if he’s there.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Morrison HAS to be upgraded. This is the NFL man, and there is ALWAYS going to be a man assigned to block the MLB. The MLB HAS to be able to take on blocks IN THE HOLE, and shed them. He should be athletic and physical enough to get into LOS and make plays. Meet that OG in the hole instead of getting blocked 4 yards downfield.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Brien vs. the Dude behind the shoolhouse after school
April 15th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Dude Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Talk like youve been there for oh, a week. Good job on those questions I asked you. Hows it feel to be destroyed by a “newbie”?
Has anyone seen MR lately
April 15th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
linebackers need a good dline just as much as QB and RB need a good oline
April 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
once again with no d-line the baddest mlb in the draft would look like this.rey maualuga and taylor mays usc other bad boy did not finnish the game.this happans every week with this team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38nQq2U5Mvg&feature=related
April 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
# jhill Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
32nd ranked pass offense must be addressed. We only have 3 WRs to speak of in JLH, Schillens, and the unproven Shields.
Maulauga is my first choice, but I wouldn’t be mad if we took the 1st WR off the board. I’d rather have Crabtree or Maclin to go with those other 3 than Walker, Holland, or Watkins.
Anyone that is the #1 guy at his position at WR, LB, OT, or DE is fine with me at 7.
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couldn’t agree more !!
April 15th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
After trade with the Eagles:
1- OT M Oher
1- WR DHB
2- DE M Johnson/ DT Brace
3- SS Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE Clinton Mcd/ DT Sammie lee, D Scott, or T Taylor
7- OLB Russell Sllen SDSU, or Ty Sales from Penn.
If A Smith or Sanches are available at 7, I think a trade can happen with the Eagles or Denver.
April 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Where are you people?!!
April 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
As much as I would love to get Oher and DHB in the first round, I doubt Oher will be around at #21.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
About Andre Smith: He just fired his agent the other day. His new agent is the same cat that represents DMAC. Could be nothing. Could be everything.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Those would be my fantastic four. We had Randy freakin Moss and couldn’t even get him the ball cause our line sucks so bad – Maclin will be useless for us.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Last year, I had it down to two players I thought the Raiders would draft, Gholston and DMC. This year is different, I can’t break it down to 4 players!!!
Monroe/ A Smith/ M Oher
Orakpo
Crab/ Maclin/ DHB
Raji
That’s 8 players.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
I just watched Draft Guys Clinton McD’s clip. He looks great.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Too bad he is not 6′5 or even 6′4, Al would draft him for sure.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
OK Nation. since I’m talking to myself which feels strangely good, I will call it a night. lol
Good Night.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Al is drafting Raji,..its a lock, and you all know Im never wrong.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Good post#24 Jhill,sometimes I can’t understand the ideas scouts come up with . And that’s why players dropand come back up in the draft prognosis. Maualuga has played all 3 downs his entire career. I’ve seen him struggle at times with angles and that’s what scouts are looking at. But so did Junior Seau and so does most MLBers. They all bring a physicality to play the run more than the pass. Greg Beikert was worse than most. Rey can play MLB and playit damn well at this level. If you have to occasionally take him out as we did Matt Millen so be it. He would bring much needed attitude and physicality vs the run and we NEED that. If not Rey get J Brinkley basically the same player. But it’s not like Rey is a slouch vs the pass he’s actually good but scouts nitpick everything.
So we’ll see
April 16th, 2009 at 12:24 am
LOL. Brien gets owned again and pulls the “go get a woman card”, as if he’s with a woman while he spends about 16 hours a day in here valiantly defending an old white dude that would stick his shoe out and throw him a towel if he ever met him.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:20 am
You guys have got to watch this video of Andre “Big Bubba” Smith. I know Dakota will like it
I hope the links opens by itself…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84-MwAbj7uw&feature=email
April 16th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Name Police, hands BHP a ticktet, its Greg Biekert…
April 16th, 2009 at 2:25 am
RaiderMom…
NIIIIICE! yeah must say he looks great, who is the commentators, do you know that?
April 16th, 2009 at 4:40 am
shouldnt the AM-Crew be here, by now?! whats going on, has a meteor killed you all?
April 16th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:46 am
thats better.. nice to see ya, morning; 4eva..
April 16th, 2009 at 4:59 am
Questions about Oher and Raji. Crab may be gone or Smith to the Bengals. Crab could even be gone to Browns if Braylon to NY rumors are true.
Even if they’re not…
I’d say if Raji’s really that good, the Browns could consider him too. DT Shaun Rogers made some noise about being unhappy after only 1 season in Cleveland. may have settle down now, but you never know…
April 16th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Ahh windows took over my lap-top and upgraded me but I’m back now
April 16th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Morning NNamdi… yeah Ryan and Shauny didnt get the best start…
April 16th, 2009 at 5:13 am
We are taking Crabtree at 7 if he is still there.
If not, Al is taking Heyward-Bey he loves speed in a big target and will not pay for Maclin a guy just like JLH. With their first pick in the second round they are going to take someone we ahve not even thought about yet.
That is how Al gets down!
April 16th, 2009 at 5:21 am
CJ…
I think AL has learned his lesson,he is bit slow, but I think he finally learned his lesson…
Morning btw..
April 16th, 2009 at 5:28 am
What’s up fellas , maclin is a much better wr than jlh i love jlh speed but he is strictly a slot wr how many catches did he have last year or even in college . Maclin can be a no.1 wr plus you put him on j-russ team Chaz,JLH,Shields,Maclin,Dmac would give us some serious speed to a qb with a unlimted arm. Of course we need help on D and O-line.
GO RAIDERS!!!
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 5:32 am
Andre’s not the man for Oakland. If he plays right tackle he’s the guy. If he’s our blind side, we’re in trouble. The guy can’t mvoe left very well. His shuffle, his kick slide, no go.
Ate up smaller defenders in college, but will struggle against the big fast pros.
Jumps off sides and makes mental errors too.
Plays down to competition. Doesn’t look up other numbers.
Main strength is his power run blocking, not pulling and trapping. Mobility and weight an issue in the ZBS.
Too many question marks at 7.
Same for Oher. As a long term guy, he would be Cable’s choice. The kid has a learning disabilty, has trouble retaining plays and isn’t the best candidtate for a ZBS either when it comes to playing in space and looking up LBs.
Might sit the 09′ season unless he’s at RT.
Tackle may not be it for us in 09′ with out moving up to take Monroe or J. Smith
April 16th, 2009 at 5:34 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Morning NNamdi… yeah Ryan and Shauny didnt get the best start…
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Mornin’ LMN!
April 16th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Trade down with Philly!
Take Pettigrew, run a 2 TE set.
Take Alex Mack or Unger with the 28th pick.
Very nice…
April 16th, 2009 at 5:39 am
My biggest fear is pass on crabtree and he turns into jerry rice or draft him and he turns into keyshawn good wr but not great.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:41 am
well anybody will be better to protect the blind side than Henderson… only here on this board is he a sure LT, and Barnes is still overrated in my eyes…
Nnamdi, I love 2 TE sets, thats why i wanted Robert Royal from the Bills… and Leonard Weaver as our FB, because OO wont be ready, thats almost sure… Lastly i wanted Kevin Shaffer as well to be the RT..
April 16th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Morning NMF..
you mean take Gallery nnd pass on Fitzy? =)
April 16th, 2009 at 5:44 am
very nice indeed =)
April 16th, 2009 at 5:47 am
What’s Happening Great Raider Fans of America.Trust me,and we should get ready for our #7 selection to be JEREMY MACLIN–thats right LIGHTNIN MACLIN.Get ready because here he comes.Coach Cable all but gave it away by his reaction to the Jeremy Maclin question the other day on this blog.Cable answered it and he got all defensive about it.He even went on to say OK after he answered it.Something there and I couldn’t be happier.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Raider Nation.
Draft Crabtree if available. Think of the nicknames he will inspire. LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
AM Crew…what’s up fellas?
Bit busy today, but will be checking back and forth!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:04 am
exLA…
yeah Im thinking of officer crabtree, from an english satire show called ‘Allo ‘Allo.. frenchmen played by brits..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YujJTqXH9wY
April 16th, 2009 at 6:04 am
GOOD MORNING SPOOOOORT’S FAN’S , 4EVA,NOMOREFARGAS, WHERE U BEEN L M N ? NAMDI-21, GOOD DAY TO U-ALL…
April 16th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Morning HwnRdr…
April 16th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Dirtlot..
Morning, i have been busy at work, and when i got home there have been some majorimportant soccer games, i’ve been watching what has been going on here, just not contributed with anything… and to be frank, i would just love to get this draft done, at this moment i just dont care who we pick just that we can get on with program… this waiting game is rather annoying :/
April 16th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Mornin Nation,
Crabbs @ 7
Then FIX our soft run D…….
Please uncle Al weve been good fans all off season….
April 16th, 2009 at 6:15 am
I hear ya LMN. But on the bright side…it is just 9 days away!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:17 am
I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE WORK’S, NO INSIDE INFO, NO DEEP INSIDE TEAM SOURCES, JUST MY OPINION FROM BEING A LONG TIME FAN, COULD BE TRADE OF #7 AND PLAYER, OR TRADE-DOWN FOR MORE PICKS, NOT SURE, NIGHT B4 AND MORNING OF DRAFT SHOULD BE VERY INTERESTING IMO..
April 16th, 2009 at 6:18 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, LMN, 4eva …
special guests N21, bank bank & exla (early birds today)
how you doin’ fellas?
busy work day today. should be around every so often (if I get placed on hold for some important phone calls)
April 16th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Morning OAKlifer
whats good brother?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:20 am
I agree with you on that one Dirt Lot. It has been too quiet. Al has a surprise for us waiting to unleash. Unfortunately, some will like it, some won’t. I am guess many won’t. Who knows at this point? Someone may just be in Al’s ear. Just…who?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Morning RRS..
April 16th, 2009 at 6:24 am
unfortunately I don’t think Crabtree will be there at #7 … looks like the Browns are trading Braylon Edwards to NYG
Edwards is only 26 years years old and is a star on a terrible team. bad coaching, bad defense, bad QB play (besides DA in 2007). He’s better than any receiver NYG could get in this draft besides Crabs. For them to move up and take Crabtree in the Top 5 it would take WAY more than just a 1st and a 3rd rounder. Smart move by NYG to take the former #3 overall pick and replace Plaxico Burress.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Double R,
Lifes good Blazers lock up home court!!
Raiders primed to really add much needed talent in this draft no matter which way they go and my boy just came home from pittsburg today with alot of fresh fruit life is good!!!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 am
STOP THE RUN!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 am
ROCKSTAR HAS BEEN BUY’N THE COFFEE LATELY, I GOT IT COVERD THIS MORNING,
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 am
yep waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay 2 quiet & Morning ALL!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:27 am
MR tea bags Al.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:30 am
this is how I think it will go down … unfortunately
Lions – Stafford
Rams – J. Smith
Chiefs – Curry
Seahawks – Monroe
Browns – Crabtree
Bengals – A. Smith
Raiders – Raji, Orakpo, Oher or Maclin
2nd option:
Lions – J. Smith
Rams – Monroe
Chiefs – Curry
Seahawks – Stafford
Browns – Crabtree
Bengals – A. Smith
Raiders – Raji, Orakpo, Oher or Maclin
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If this is what we got to choose from I say we take Raji every time … here’s hoping that a team trades up and shuffles the draft order so we have a shot at a better (less risky) player
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 am
thanks for the coffee Dirt Lot!
I’ll tip the waitress.
you can tap the waitress…
April 16th, 2009 at 6:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 6:32 am
thanks for the coffee Dirt Lot!
I’ll tip the waitress.
you can tap the waitress…
LOL!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:37 am
LET’S GET THIS TABLE CLEAN’D OFF,THE BIG MAN IS GONNA NEED SOME ROOM….
April 16th, 2009 at 6:37 am
You know, instead of the Tap Out shirts, why not Tap That? Wonder how many people will either get offended, or pissed?
Only thing that pisses me off about the draft is that about everyone feels the same way you do, Rockstar, that Curry will go to the Chiefs. Oh well…
April 16th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I love cable’s fantastic four , yeah sure he makes the pick we all know one man runs the show Mr. Davis. We need some one to get mean on d like romo did and r.upshaw some one putting hit on people sometimes a little late, move morrison olb and get a mean mlb!!
April 16th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Only thing that psses me off about the draft is that about everyone feels the same way you do, Rockstar, that Curry will go to the Chiefs. Oh well…
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I suppose it could shake down like this:
Lions – Stafford
Rams – J. Smith
Chiefs – Monroe
Seahawks – Curry
Browns – Crabtree
Bengals – A. Smith
Raiders – Raji, Orakpo, Oher or Maclin
2nd option:
Lions – J. Smith
Rams – Monroe
Chiefs – Crabtree
Seahawks – Curry
Browns – Orakpo
Bengals – A. Smith
Raiders – Raji, Oher or Maclin
April 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
LET’S GET THIS TABLE CLEAN’D OFF,THE BIG MAN IS GONNA NEED SOME ROOM….
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whoa. what kinda coffee shop is this? take it outside (parking lot) Dirt Lot! obviously you won’t be allowed behind the counter either for sanitation purposes …
April 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
unless he loses a leg curry will be a top 4 pick….. what if just what if we traded up then who would the nation covet…..
April 16th, 2009 at 6:47 am
SORRY, DIDNT INTEND TO OFFEND ANYBODY..
April 16th, 2009 at 6:51 am
SORRY, DIDNT INTEND TO OFFEND ANYBODY..
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you bought everyone coffee this morning. we couldn’t be mad at ya!
Dirt Lot: take your choice of Raji, Orakpo, Oher or Maclin
April 16th, 2009 at 6:56 am
No Offense taken Dirt Lot! Thanks for the coffee…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:01 am
A “base” End in the 4th round?….
DL Zach Potter, Nebraska:
6′6, 276 lbs. Speed 4.94 (Pro Day).
I posted some scouting reports but they are “awaiting moderation”…
Looks like he can play the run on early downs and slide inside to provide some pressure on passing situations.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Wassup folks!
I have to admit that I have a concern with the Blazers, Oak!
You just might be able to take us to 6 games. Oh well, it’ll be a nice tune up for Boston.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Not following the “way too quiet” thing …
What do you guys mean by that? What do you think you should be hearing that you are not?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:11 am
you cant offend the unoffendable =)
April 16th, 2009 at 7:12 am
RRS,
Sanchez is going in the top 5 for sure. If not, I look/hope for someone to trade up to #7 and get him.
And let’s not forget that Boldin is now in play for NY. No lock that Braylon is going anywhere.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am
J,
I cant wait and I hope the Blazers beat the rockets
i would love a P-town/LA match up I still see shaq running down the floor in the confrence finals with both hands in the air like superman after the biggest melt down in “my” sports history….LOL except the donks blowing a three game lead with three to play cant forget that!!! Any ways thanks for gettin some reconition this way Jhill…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:18 am
everyone feels the same way you do, Rockstar, that Curry will go to the Chiefs. Oh well…
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I disagree. I think Pioli will give his offensive minded coach a weapon. I think they will take either Monoroe or Crabtree.
Det – Stafford
Rams – Jason Smith
KC – Monroe
Seat – Sanchez
Cleve – Crabtree (All BS aside I think they really take Jenkins or Wells from OSU)
Cincy – Raji
April 16th, 2009 at 7:22 am
I disagree. I think Pioli will give his offensive minded coach a weapon. I think they will take either Monoroe or Crabtree.
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If castle is anygood and they do add offensive weapons they could get better in a hurry remember winning cures all even TG/LJ attitudes would be better…and Ive always like D bowe he was jroc boy and one of the big reason we took J roc with that pick bowe carried him often in that last year at LSU
April 16th, 2009 at 7:22 am
How did that happen Oak? I mean B Shaw was knocking down shots, but I think your lead was like 15 going into the 4th qtr.
LA fans didn’t dislike Portland like we did Sac or Boston. We always expected you to be right there, but I guess it was just too many head cases. Good to see you guys back.
I’m a huge Nate McMillan fan.
Anyway, will talk about that later. I’m sure we’re going to get bashed here in a minute for talking Bball, lol!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:22 am
JHill, I guess I kinda based the quiet thing on last offseason. There were rumblings everywhere. Don’t know if my short term memory has kicked in, but cannot remember it this quiet in awhile. Could be wrong. As for Edwards…I don’t know. He mouthed off last year only to lead the league in drops. I would not want him based on inconsistencies. Heck, even DA had a good year in Cleveland in ‘07. What happened?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:23 am
is there any OTA’s going on now???
April 16th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Sanchez is going in the top 5 for sure. If not, I look/hope for someone to trade up to #7 and get him.
And let’s not forget that Boldin is now in play for NY. No lock that Braylon is going anywhere.
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The highest I see Sanchez going is 8th to the Jags or 10th to the 49ers. Might even fall to the donks or Jets …
You’re right about Boldin. NYG may want him more. He didn’t have the drops Edwards did
However, would the Giants dump a disgruntled player (Plaxico) who holds out for money and then pick up another one (Anquan)? NYG wasn’t happy with Plax BEFORE he shot himself in the leg! Plus Anquan had a string of injuries last season
April 16th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Zach Potter looks like a Tyler Brayton kind of player, we messed Brayton up by playing him at OLB and RDE, he should have been our LDE but they didn’t want to sit or move Burguess.
Now Brayton starts at LDE for Carolina and is a very decent player.
Zach Potter, Nebraska 6′6, 276, 4.94 (40) in the 4th round, maybe.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:26 am
The Blazers are loaded!
They have more talent 1-10 than we do.. Your only issue is youth. I think Kobe hass 2 or 3 more years playing at the level we are accostomed to, and I think that Blazers team is going to be right there to take over the West.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:26 am
JHill, I hope you are right with that one. Does make sense. I tell you what though…if Curry falls to us at #7 (even though I doubt it) and Al passes on him…my wife is going to be mad because the tv just cracked with beer all over it!!!
…ok, maybe not…but you all get the meaning…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Seat – Sanchez
Cleve – Crabtree (All BS aside I think they really take Jenkins or Wells from OSU)
Cincy – Raji
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Jhill: I’d be shocked if the Seaturds passed on Crabtree, Raji, Orakpo and Curry in favor of Mark Sanchez … However, that would be AWESOME imo!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:30 am
It’s quite appearant Russell is a major bust. I begged to get calvin johnson. anyway, it’s done. Proof of the bust is how a coach is talking about him (like a child) and has to bring in a qb to make him work (very immature). Furthermore, he needs all-pro around him to be effective. I believe the offense has enough and if russell is anywhere close to being decent he can win with them. Many qbs have in the past (mcnabb, rothlisberger, brady, etc). If we tried to trade russell we couldn’t get better than a 4th! thats pathetic.
too much effort has gone to babying russell and its time to help the d-line. Raji must be our pick! How about a new concept….our top pick actually makes his teammates better!? Russell should be able to do that but needs an all-pro line, rbs, wrs to be average.
ct raider
April 16th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Ooohhhh Jhill, I like the Blazers too, but to say they have more talent than the Lakers is cuhhhrazzzzy.
Rocker,
I wouldnt think the Cards would be too interested in trading Boldin to the team they figure on battling it out for the NFC. Bet he ends up in the AFC if traded.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:32 am
crabtree and maclin come from a flag football conference. Maclin????? get real. No D in the big 12. when have you0 watched a defender start w/in 10 yards of him off the line?
ct raider
April 16th, 2009 at 7:32 am
You know the thing I’m looking at most RRS is that every year these mock drafts are wrong, lol. Of course they get the first 2 right, well most of them do, but that about it, right?
So if the consensus is
Det – Stafford
Rams – Jason Smith
KC – Curry
Seat – Sanchez
Cleve – Orakpo
Cicny – Andre Smith
Oak – Crabtree/Maclin/DHB
Then you know it is going to be something completely different. Mayock, Lombardi, Kiper, McShay, lol … None of them are ever right. Well they are because they give you 3 or 4 guys they think will be the pick.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Wouldnt say Russell is a bust RIGHT NOW, however I think he will prove to be. I agree with the assesment that its pathetic that they need to baby the guy like they are but I disagree that he has enough talent at WR to win with. You simply dont go to war with Javon Walker and Chaz Schillens as your top two WRs.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:34 am
my wife is going to be mad because the tv just cracked with beer all over it!!!
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LMFAO!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh shyt, that was funny!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I think that Sanchez is going to be a hit or miss. I think that he should have listened to Carrolls (sp?) advice to stay another year. I know, I know…injuries could set him back, etc…..but, of all the NFL teams, who is ran closely to USC?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Jhill: I’d be shocked if the Seaturds passed on Crabtree, Raji, Orakpo and Curry in favor of Mark Sanchez … However, that would be AWESOME imo!
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I’d be surprised if they pass on an OT with Jones (1) aging like a mutha, and (2) coming off micro fracture surgery on his knee. But all I’ve been hearing is that they are looking at a QB to groom as Hasselbeck’s replacement.
But like I said earlier, WTF do they know?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
How many teams in the NFL run bump and run one on one coverage anymore? Answer: the Raiders. Who cares if they didnt get pressed in college, its not like they will draw Lester Hayes or Terry McDaniel every week.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Andre Smith at @ 7, Brace in the 2nd and Brinkley in the 3rd.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Ooohhhh Jhill, I like the Blazers too, but to say they have more talent than the Lakers is cuhhhrazzzzy.
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1-10 yes they do. 1-5, I see your point.
But when you are bringing Oden, Fernandez, and Outlaw OFF THE BENCH?
Cmon Dude, that team is ridiculously loaded.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Per ESPN, Garnett is out of the playoffs for Boston.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:42 am
OK Bros…
After checking out some of the clips of our lousy run D that were posted I was shocked! DISGUSTED!
Morrison got plowed out of the way and took all the wrong angels. He overpursued leaving HUGE holes in the D. NO PENETRATION either.
FIX THE D! Forget the WR’s!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Draft Raji. …by the way, Morrison shouldnt be in the NFL.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Lions – J. Smith
Rams – Monroe
Chiefs – Curry
Seahawks – A. Smith
Browns – Crabtree
Bengals – Raji
Raiders – Oher or Maclin
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Jhill: wouldn’t that be terrible?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Ooohhhhh….sucks for the Celts!
I think Cleveland may make a strong run this year (Cav’s). Anyways…
Why is Lombardi even an analyst for the draft? Who gets fired working for free? Ok, nevermind…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I take Bynum over Oden
Ariza=Fernadez
Outlaw= hmmm… not sure on that one. Hey you may be right. Not a bad observation. Have to take a closer look.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:48 am
John Madden just announced his retirement from broadcasting.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Madden is done…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I agree with the assesment that its pathetic that they need to baby the guy like they are
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What are they doing to baby him?
I think he has been in an impossible situation, which is partly his fault. He should have been in camp from day 1 as opposed to holding out, from a football standpoint, but I can’t be mad at someone for getting their $. Just not in my nature to hate on the $ factor. But I do acknowledge that it was his choice to hold out.
The situation with Kiffin was just ridiculous. We all know what happened there, so no need to rehash that.
Last year, 3 different play callers, and Harris and Green at OTs, in his first season as a starter?
I don’t know that I would call stabalizing the coaching situation, and upgrading the talent around him, babying Russell. But maybe you meant something else.
I do agree that there are zero excuses for the guy this year. Time to start consistantly looking like a #1 pick instead of the flashes we see. All he has to do is pick up from where he left off last year, and he’ll be just fine.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Seahawks wouldnt touch A Smith with a ten foot pole. Ruskell is ALL about character.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Per ESPN2
April 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Maybe it is Madden who’s making the moves as our new GM behind the scenes hæ hæ
April 16th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Just the way Cable is talking about the guy. About his work ethic and how they felt they needed to bring Garcia in to push the guy to work. “Babying” him is the wrong word. Cant really think of a good word right now. Put it this way, If the Raiders were 100% comfortable with the guy theres no way they bring in Garcia.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:53 am
J
April 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Who gets fired working for free? Ok, nevermind…
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Noooo … no nevermind!
How the heck does that happen? They didn’t want your opinion for free Lombardo! LMFAO!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Grooming him perhaps
April 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
hey Norco Bob I called about a hotel ( the motel 6) I was wondering if you have 2 tickets,my G/F has never been 2 Cali.If not I am still comming 2 rthe KC game
April 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
You know, I posted that “I had a heard a rumor that Madden called his last broadcast on Superbowl Sunday” and someone ripped me for saying that. I guess the rumor came true. Wonder if Madden is the one behind the scenes…is that why its been calm on the waterfront?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Maddens retiring to Black Hawk,…not Alameda.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
No way Garcia is content to be a backup. I have watched the guy enough to see he is a fierce competitor and he is in Oakland because for one reason or the other he sees a chance.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Dude,
Bynum and Ariza = 1-5
My point is they are coming with Oden, Outlaw, and Fernandez as 6-8.
Our 6-8 is LO, Walton, Shannon Brown.
Not even close.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:57 am
If Madden was calling the shots Brett Favre would be here not Jeff Garcia.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Being in the top ten is sooo worthless, always has been but this year its ridiculous,..Davis should dump that 7 pick on any established player,..Edwards or Boldin,…do it today because in a week and a half Davis wil have to fork over millions to a likely bust.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:01 am
4eva, you have got to be kidding,..you bringing your gf all the way out here to put her in a Motel 6?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I thought it was Kobe,Fish,Odom, Gasul, Walton with Bynum, Sasha, Farmar, Ariza the first off the bench. Seems like it changes every time I watch em.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:03 am
hell they aint 2 bad here in florida and its on ly 4 a couple days.Is the motel 6 in dis-repair there???Maybe I should keep lookin
April 16th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Garnett is out? That sucks, I wanted a Lakers-Celts rematch.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:04 am
All the things that Cable is saying about Russell are dead on. I even like the Garcia signing. Nothing wrong with lighting a little fire under someone’s butt.
To criticize JRuss for enjoying his new found riches and fames is pretty silly to me. All I have to say to that is you were 20 once, right? Imagine if you won the lottery at 20, and was single. Cmon! You’re a Raider fan, so I know how you would have acted, lol!
If the guy gets it done, great. If he doesn’t Garcia is a perfect b/u while we look for another guy. But all indications is that he will at least be a solid QB. I think the question is will he live up to the expectations of being the #1 overall guy?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Ooohhhh Jhill, I like the Blazers too, but to say they have more talent than the Lakers is cuhhhrazzzzy.
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P-town has the best benhc in the leauge period….. they are deep can they win a series just being deep…prob not they need to grow and get better every nite!!!
I’m a HUGE NATE fan he is a teaching coach no to many of those left these days…!!!
On to the raji/crabbs subject…..
or better yet the trading up subject what if we could move up and snag curry does that help our run D????
April 16th, 2009 at 8:05 am
and lile I said B4 I have been out of work 4 4months.I’m sure it will pick up by September but if not I’m on tight budget.But I can still afford 2 come by-myself
April 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Kobe, D-Fish are your starter.
Farmar has been demoted, and Shannon Brown is now the first guard off the bench, with LO and Walton. Sasha gets minutes when Kobe’s off the floor, which will be like never in the playoffs.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:08 am
If Madden were involved with the team in any capacity, Al and Cable would be bragging about it to anybody that would listen. Madden is retiring for real, from football…
Does anybody think we should go after Boldin for our 1st, 3rd and 7th round pick? It seems like too much for a WR. We need to stay on the path of building through the draft in my opinion.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Boldin yes, Edwards no. Edwards drops too many balls. I agree, too much money paid to the top of the draft.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:09 am
4eva,..just wait til like the week of game,..hot priceline or one of the many other bidding sites,..you can likely land a 5 star room for 75 bucks a night,..I do it all the time when I go to Raider road games,..vacations,…last summer I stayed at Hyatt in Kaanapali, Maui,..for 45 bucks a night,..usually goes for 200.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Kobe/Gasol/Bynum/Phil>Portland this is the playoffs not the regular season it’s showtime for the Lakers!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Man great weather for the next week,..in mid 80`s,…time to fill up the beer cooler and hit the beach,…by the way 4eva, I can hook you up with a nice pair for KC as thats one of the games I will be buying club seats,…I buy a pair in the club for about 4 games a year and sell my usual NEZ seats,..will be in the club for KC,…Skins, Bengals and Jets.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Dont buy that one. 45 bucks a night for the Hyatt? Stayed there last summer and no way u got it for 45 bucks. If you did someone owes me some funkn money.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
thankx 4 da info I will check that out Bob
April 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
this is a qoute from John Canzano….
After this no bball talk from me unless im asked i promise I’m just very excited..and this settels an earlier arugement…..”The Blazers bench accounted for 72 points. No Portland starter scored in double digit figures, and thats cruel stuff fellas.”
April 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
They should return to good old days of the NBA and playoffs,..put it on at midnight, tape delayed,..nothing more boring then the NBA.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Sorry guys, I just don’t want to trade our picks for someone else’s players.
We’ve been down that road enough. And I’m praying that Crabtree is gone before we pick so we aren’t forced to take him.
We need to stay at 7 and draft an OT and then take Brinkley in the 2nd. Or we need to draft Rey at 7 and take an OT in the 2nd.
Save WR and S for the 3rd and 4th rd.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
OK , now wait a minute man.
Who said anything about the franchise babying JAM?
I don’t see evidence and how they abay this guy.
Please give me some examples.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Dude,..about 3 days before we flew to Maui we emailed all the big resorts in Kaanapali,..I also could have stayed at the Marriott for the same price,…also the Westin,..could have stayed at the Ritz in Kapahlua for 70 bucks a night
April 16th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Seahawks wouldnt touch A Smith with a ten foot pole. Ruskell is ALL about character.
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Fine.
Lions – J. Smith
Rams – Monroe
Chiefs – Curry
Seahawks – Oher
Browns – Crabtree
Bengals – A. Smith
Raiders – Raji or Maclin
Dude: wouldn’t that be terrible?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:18 am
jhill Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Kobe, D-Fish are your starter.
Farmar has been demoted, and Shannon Brown is now the first guard off the bench, with LO and Walton. Sasha gets minutes when Kobe’s off the floor, which will be like never in the playoffs.
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Jwiggle, come on man you know better! You know that Sasha gets plenty of floor time when the Lakers slide Kobe to 3 and have Fish and Sasha at the guard spots. Sasha will see plenty of floor time in the playoffs, just like last year…even with Kobe on the floor too.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Norco Bob Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Man great weather for the next week,..in mid 80`s,…time to fill up the beer cooler and hit the beach,…by the way 4eva, I can hook you up with a nice pair for KC as thats one of the games I will be buying club seats,…I buy a pair in the club for about 4 games a year and sell my usual NEZ seats,..will be in the club for KC,…Skins, Bengals and Jets.
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Hey Bro,
I can help with this I could use a couple tix would love to see KC or the skins….Plus I tote some good party favors….for the tail gating of course…..
April 16th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Once in Maui we went up to Wailaea,…heres a cool tip,..go to the outdoor place where you show room key and they put a bracelet on you,..if you give the person there ten bucks they will slap one on you,then youre in,..all access, at the Grand Wailaea,…sure I didnt spell that right,..but anyway, thats easily the best place on Maui,…killer water park, poolside,…huge lawn where you get your own waiter,…paradise,..but you need that bracelet!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:20 am
When is the last time you saw Kobe sliding to the 3? Ariza is not hurt anymore, and Walton comes in for Ariza.
Did you guys stop watching about the 60 game mark, deciding to just wait on the playoffs?
What’s going on here?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Against Utah the night before last.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Party favors?…hmmm,..the more the merrier I guess,..but we have about 8 cars at our tailgates,..usually all together maybe 5 ounces of grass,..one guy brings a full bar,..maybe about 500 beers,…each vehicle has a bar b q,…2 directv dishes,…a stripper pole,…the best stereo in the lot,…feel free to come by,..just ask Brien how ourtailgates are bro…all are welcome.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Does anybody think we should go after Boldin for our 1st, 3rd and 7th round pick? It seems like too much for a WR. We need to stay on the path of building through the draft in my opinion.
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Then we’d be left with an early 2nd rounder and a late 4th rounder …
best OT available in Round 2. best SS available in Round 4
we wouldn’t be able in touch the defensive front seven if we traded 3 picks for Anquan
April 16th, 2009 at 8:24 am
jhill Im not waiting for the playoffs to start,..waiting for them to end,…zzzzzz…
April 16th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I know you are shy about wagers Jwiggle, but you want to make it interesting? I’ll bet in the first game against Utah, at some point in the game Fisher, Sasha and Kobe will all be on the court at the same time…what are the stakes?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I will miss John Madden!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:26 am
You mean the game where Kobe was in foul trouble the entire first half?
No you didn’t.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:26 am
If I was to make the trek to Cali for a Raiders game what game would be the best to come to?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:28 am
BTW if we were to trade for Boldin how long do you guys think it would take for him to start pissing and moaning about a new contract here?
We don’t need him, build the lines and get a WR in the latter rounds. I don’t think we can trade up since everyone else in the top 10 wants to as well.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Ok Bob …
I hear you.
I feel the same way about Baseball, but I don’t get on you about your A’s updates.
On 2nd thought, I don’t feel that bad about Baseball. I go to Chavez Ravine at least 10 times a year, but I can’t watch more than a couple innings here or there on TV. Much rather be on the golf course.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Wannaberocker,..they would take the 7th pick for him,…I would do it, but Boldin dont want to be here,..for whatever reason he wants to be a Dolphin,…better ho`s and coke there I reckon.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
We need to stay at 7 and draft an OT and then take Brinkley in the 2nd. Or we need to draft Rey at 7 and take an OT in the 2nd.
Save WR and S for the 3rd and 4th rd.
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I don’t understand the logic with a lot of you guys. Jhill, you are one of the best posters in here. explain this to me. you don’t want Crabtree even if he’s there at #7, but you want to add another project WR with average talent in the 3rd or 4th round to add to the average WR’s already on the roster?
If you want to pass on Crabs that’s fine. then pass on a WR all together. don’t draft somebody like Barden and expect him to put up Crabtree numbers.
best available OT in Round 1. DT & DE in Rounds 2 & 3. SS in Round 4. That should be your plan if you want to build the lines and have a mediocre (at best) WR corps
April 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
[...] is another pre-draft look at the Raiders and who they may be targeting with their top [...]
April 16th, 2009 at 8:30 am
NEW YORK – John Madden, the burly former coach who has been one of pro football’s most popular broadcast analysts for three decades, is calling it quits.
Madden worked for the past three seasons on NBC’s Sunday night NFL game. His last telecast was the Super Bowl between Arizona and Pittsburgh.
“It’s time,” Madden said. “I’m 73 years old. My 50th wedding anniversary is this fall. I have two great sons and their families and their five grandchildren are at an age now when they know when I’m home and, more importantly, when I’m not.”
Madden said he still loves all aspects of the game and his job, and that’s why it took him a couple of months to make the decision.
Madden’s blue-collar style and love for in-the-trenches football endeared him to fans. His “Madden NFL Football” is the top-selling sports video game of all time.
Madden is reluctant to fly and often traveled to games in a specially equipped bus.
He began his pro football career as a linebacker coach at Oakland in 1967 and was named head coach two years later, at 33 the youngest coach in what was then the American Football League.
Madden led the Raiders to their first Super Bowl victory and retired in 1979. He joined CBS later that year.
He worked at CBS until 1994 when the network lost rights to broadcast NFL games, leading him to switch to Fox. He left Fox in 2002 to become the lead analyst for ABC’s “Monday Night Football” and joined NBC in 2006 when that network inaugurated a prime-time Sunday game.
He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2006.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:31 am
ok GREAT Norco Bob I will look a week B4 for a better deal and we will take those club seat arrangments,just let me know bro
April 16th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I attend alot of baseball games, I also consider that boring,..but I dont go to baseball games for excitement,..I go to relax,..get high, drink beer, eat hot dogs,…sometimes I take a nap,…however the nba is unwatchable,..too many stops,..too many fouls,..not enough flow,…absolute drag.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Remember when Al said he was hiring a front office guy but wouldn’t say who because the time wasn’t right and it wouldn’t be fair to him?
Surely it wouldn’t be Madden considering he doesn’t like to fly?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Build the lines!
IF YOU BUILD IT THE WINS WILL COME!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
or whatever you have available.Man-O-Man Norco Bob THANK-YOU
April 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Dorco Bob : how do you know what the Cards would take for Boldin?
John Clayton says a 1st & 3rd.
He’s an NFL insider. who are you? a druggie. case closed…
April 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
4eva, does brien have your email?…you guys communicate anyhow other then in this room full of oddballs?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
I’m going to actaully stop by this year Bob …
I’ll get the location as we get closer to the season. Still don’t know which games I’m going to this year, but I’m sure I’ll hit a few.
Going to make it weekend trips too, so I can hit some of those incredible course up North.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Wannaberocker,..last time I looked, Clayton wasnt the Cards GM,..lol,..loser.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:35 am
jhill where do you live?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:36 am
I guess you didn’t watch the game Jhill. Sasha, Farmar and Kobe were on the floor early in the 4th quarter…what, was Sasha playing SF? lmfao
April 16th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Wannaberocker is good for a laugh,..he must think that when john clayton says the cards would take a 1st and a 3rd that the Cards gm told him that,…hey wannaberocker, do you think john clayton is Jesus?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Used to know a stripper at the brass rail in sunnyvale named “Sasha”…that dude needs to get himself a mans name.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Its time [to join the front office of my favorite team].
Madden has already been behind some of these moves this year. Its finally happening!
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/16/john-madden-retires/
April 16th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Im out,..catch you Einsteins later….oh but wannaberocker, thanks for the laughs, I can always count on you for that. lol
April 16th, 2009 at 8:40 am
NO but we can work something out,NB
April 16th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Norco Bob I used to frequent the Brass Rail, its been a while.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:40 am
The Cardinals let it be known via their website that Boldin is on the table and no longer deemed untouchable.
The writer for the team’s website said the Cardinals are seeking compensation along the lines of what the Dallas Cowboys gave up in exchange for receiver Roy Williams in a trade with the Detroit Lions last season.
The Cowboys gave the Lions first-, third- and sixth-round draft picks for Williams.
-Raider Beat
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there ya go Dorco Bob. now shut your mouth
April 16th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Norco Bob Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Used to know a stripper at the brass rail in sunnyvale named “Sasha”…that dude needs to get himself a mans name.
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Come on Norco, you know European “men” are nothing more than hermaphrodites with facial hair…the name Sasha suits him/her just fine.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:43 am
RRS,
I’d be happy to explain it to you.
I simply (right or wrong) want to see what we have in JLH, Schillens, and Shields in a passing game that has two legitimate OTs, and a solid game plan. If we are indeed in for heavy doses of Bush as Cable indicates, mixed in with McFadden in the same backfield as well as split out, I think we are going to see a lot of zone coverages. None of our WRs will be doubled so they should be able to get open. Our RBs will make our WRs better.
So in short, I think that we don’t need a superstar WR, but we do need a WR since we only have 3 to speak of. I don’t have any confidence in Walker, Watkins, or Holland. We need a 3rd or 4th rd guy to replace them.
I think the more pressing need is RT, MLB, and DE in that order.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:45 am
aPercocet nSoma
April 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Meet Phil Loadholt
Raiders coach Tom Cable loves offensive lineman so much, one team insider swears he’s going to grab two of them in next weekend’s NFL Draft.
It’s all part of his plan to build the Raiders from the “inside out,” as new left tackle Khalif Barnes recently put it.
The list of recent visitors seems to bear the idea out. On Tuesday, two offensive line prospects visited team headquarters — one was unidentified, the other was Oklahoma left tackle Phil Loadholt, who’s projected to go in the second or third round by nfldraftscout.com.
Loadholt took a few minutes for a phone interview while at the Oakland airport Tuesday. Here’s what the 6-foot-8, 332-pound man had to say.
Q: How did the visit go?
A: “I thought it went very well. I met with the offensive line coach, got to sit down with him and go through some stuff on the board. I drew up some schemes we ran at Oklahoma. He taught me a play and I put it back on the board, showed them I can convert a scheme. Things like that.”
Q: What scheme did you run at Oklahoma?
A: We definitely ran a lot of zone blocking. Actually, looking at some of the drills they ran, they are very similar to what we did in college. Definitely very similar.”
Q: What makes you a zone blocking scheme fit?
A: “My ability to get up to the second level. You’re not just blocking a zone, you’re blocking a man. It’s knowing where your man is going to be and being able to get there to block him.”
Q: Any Raiders give you advice?
A: “Met some of the offensive linemen who were there for voluntary workouts, Khalif Barnes, Samson Satele. They just told me take everything in stride and to enjoy the process as much as possible.”
** As for a scouting report on Loadholt, here’s what I gathered from numerous websites.
Pros: Long arms, good strength, above-average athleticism for his size. Has the makings of a solid drive blocker, especially if he goes to the right side. Run blocking is his strength.
Cons: With just two years of college experience, could be a bit of a project. Could have a hard time with speed rushers on the edge.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
April 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
4EVA, two Toms on Easter mornin!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Bob
So Cal …
April 16th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Norco,
Hey bro whats up with the skins tix lets work somthin out!!!
stripper pole huh???
April 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am
John Madden now free to join the Raiders?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:51 am
we do need a WR since we only have 3 to speak of. I don’t have any confidence in Walker, Watkins, or Holland. We need a 3rd or 4th rd guy to replace them.
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Jhill: you don’t think Higgins, Schilens, Shields & Walker can get it done? how much is a 4th WR drafted in the early 3rd or late 4th round going to improve this unit?
Walker won’t be replaced this season for sure. He’s the highest paid WR on the team and the only one who has a 1000 yard season in the NFL to his name. He’s not going to be the 4th or 5th option – unless he gets hurt (again)
April 16th, 2009 at 8:53 am
LMFAO too Dakota,
I actually think I was on this blog in the 4th qtr, so no I wasn’t really paying attention. So PJ gave Sasha some 4th qtr run b/c he was so hot in the 4th, huh? Or was it that Kobe was trying to get his 20 since he missed all of the first half?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Kell, I think Davis already tried to lure Madden, but Madden balked. I think that’s what all of the “oh, you just wait, Al has an announcement coming that’s going to knock all of you off of your feet” b.s. was about.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
The big announcement turned out to be: “Nothing’s changing! Aren’t you excited?!? Go Raiders!”
April 16th, 2009 at 8:55 am
If it is not a #1 WR we dont need a WR we got a good 2 and a good 3, and add in Dmac in the slot, all we are missing is the most important part, a legit #1!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Did you know Madden retired this morning?
April 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
John Madden retired from Broadcasting this morning!!!!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 8:58 am
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DirtyRaccoon Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:30 am
NEW YORK – John Madden, the burly former coach who has been one of pro football’s most popular broadcast analysts for three decades, is calling it quits.
Madden worked for the past three seasons on NBC’s Sunday night NFL game. His last telecast was the Super Bowl between Arizona and Pittsburgh.
“It’s time,” Madden said. “I’m 73 years old. My 50th wedding anniversary is this fall. I have two great sons and their families and their five grandchildren are at an age now when they know when I’m home and, more importantly, when I’m not.”
Madden said he still loves all aspects of the game and his job, and that’s why it took him a couple of months to make the decision.
Madden’s blue-collar style and love for in-the-trenches football endeared him to fans. His “Madden NFL Football” is the top-selling sports video game of all time.
Madden is reluctant to fly and often traveled to games in a specially equipped bus.
He began his pro football career as a linebacker coach at Oakland in 1967 and was named head coach two years later, at 33 the youngest coach in what was then the American Football League.
Madden led the Raiders to their first Super Bowl victory and retired in 1979. He joined CBS later that year.
He worked at CBS until 1994 when the network lost rights to broadcast NFL games, leading him to switch to Fox. He left Fox in 2002 to become the lead analyst for ABC’s “Monday Night Football” and joined NBC in 2006 when that network inaugurated a prime-time Sunday game.
He was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2006.
April 16th, 2009 at 8:59 am
If Madden were going to come here, he would have made the decision to retire earlier this year. I knew something was afoot when he skipped a game, something he hadn’t done in decades, to spend a few days with former Raiders at Upshaw’s funeral. Former Raiders have died before during the season, and Madden never just skipped a broadcast to attend services. Shyt was going down, that’s for sure. But Madden balked. Al’s nuts, and John knows it. It just won’t work. Madden’s done. Enjoy your retirement, old buddy.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I actually think Walker will be ok, if he can stay healthy. But he’s been hurt the past 3 years running, so I think we need another solid option. Plus everyone says it take 2 years for a WR to develop, so this 3rd rnd pick will be ready to step right in when Walker’s contract is up.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Yeah we heard he retired but guys check this out here is our chance to trade down!!!
I just read this:
The Jets want USC QB Sanchez
“According to Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News, Sanchez is likely to be picked between the eighth and the 13th overall selections. With the Jets holding the 17th overall selection, they would likely need to move up to land him.”
Do it Al trade with the Jets!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:04 am
madden was a motivator a line guy a true blu collar coach and I love him as well as Shell an Davis but they are getting up there in age and still have GREAT football knowledge. the game has evolved alittle talent is stronger faster “higher” alot more goes into evaluation long gone are the days when plunkett heads up an all nite drinking party sat the on sun our hung over troops take it all out on anybody in there way… the game is just a little different..
April 16th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I know a lot of younger people don’t care much for Madden as an announcer, anyway. But I have to tell you, I’ll be watching football less and less now. Madden was one of the only tolerable color commentators around anymore. Most are just former players (as in notable players…). They know the game and they’re good for a laugh (Collinsworth is decent), but they’re not the same as the guys who seem to be dedicated to the craft of commentary. I would never compare Madden to Cossell, because with all respect to Madden, he just wasn’t the critic of the sports establishment that Cossell was…that Cossell was ON THE AIR. But Madden was the closest thing their was to a bridge between today’s company line commentators and the rebels of old like Cossell.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:08 am
everyone says it take 2 years for a WR to develop, so this 3rd rnd pick will be ready to step right in when Walker’s contract is up.
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Jhill: thats all we have are guys that need to be developed, besides Walker. Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Holland, Watkins and DJ Hall all need to be groomed. If we’re going by this philosophy Higgins, Holland & Watkins (going into their 3rd NFL season) should be poised for a breakout year, right?
Then Schilens & Shields will be good to go next year.
no more project WR’s please.
If we want competition, get it in free agency or with undrafted rookie free agents. If you want a #1 WR you make a play for Crabtree or possibly Maclin
April 16th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Jhill, great post #726. My sentiments exactly. There was this guy DMS or PMS or whatever who kept saying we need DMC because we didn’t have a solid HB. Saying MBush would never pan out so we NEEDED Mc Fadden well as it turns out now most think Bush should be our feature HB . Which is exactly what I was saying before the draft last year.
This year I’m saying we have an outstanding prospect in Arman Shields, problem is most fans have never seen him. So the assumption is that he can’t pssibly be that good they want J Maclin. Whom I don’t think brings anything we don’t already have to the team. Crabtree total different story. But IMO we really don’t know what we have at WR. Everyone quotes the sorry stats from last year. Which IMo says more about the entire offense ei; OT’s, young QB, unfamiliarity, lack of timing and cohesion. The WR were respnsible for say 40% of that, injuries and youth.
Fastforward to this season all those things are quite different. Th Oline, the QB, familiarity, timing and thje WR’s are healthy and developing. What’s different? EVERYTHING!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:18 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Yeah we heard he retired but guys check this out here is our chance to trade down!!!
I just read this:
The Jets want USC QB Sanchez
“According to Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News, Sanchez is likely to be picked between the eighth and the 13th overall selections. With the Jets holding the 17th overall selection, they would likely need to move up to land him.”
Do it Al trade with the Jets!!!!
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17 huh, who do we get at 17? Mack? DHB? Rey? Pettigrew?
All blue chips will be gone, but still some solid players.
What would we get in return for #7?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Raji would be a waste in our system. If we were really going to build a defense with the front 7, I’d say go for it. But building a pass defense and just plopping a run stuffer on the line is not going to work.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:20 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I know a lot of younger people don’t care much for Madden as an announcer, anyway.
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Good point bro!!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Norco Bob, you guys have a stripper pole in your r.v.? I’ve been to Raider games. Not too many hotties. Mostly guys’ wives, etc. Think I’ll pass on that show.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
OAKlifer, you do realize Al tried to lure Madden here and Madden said no way, don’t you?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Good Morning.
Little slow today!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:24 am
What’s the media’s deal with Mexico, all of a sudden? Like they just found out about cartels…
April 16th, 2009 at 9:24 am
RRS,
I wouldn’t be mad at Crabtree. If we stay at 7, I’d be happy with the best player at his postion at OT, LB, WR, or DE.
I just happen to think those players are Andre Smith, Rey Maulauga, Crabtree, or Robert Ayers. Any one of those players in round one for me and I’m a happy camper.
I like Loadholt or Brinkley in rd 2.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Trade 7# to the jets for their #17 & 52# and use all those picks to fill the holes at safety,lb,dl
April 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Raji would be a waste in our system. If we were really going to build a defense with the front 7, I’d say go for it. But building a pass defense and just plopping a run stuffer on the line is not going to work.
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Yep, agreed 100%
Dang MR, that was the best thought you have had in a while. MAybe all the drama in Tracy has woke you up?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
New HBO Real Sports on HBO East, in 5 minutes. For those who watch it. It’s a little too intelligent for a lot of typical kool aid drinking sports fans.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:28 am
STOPPING the run takes a run stopping scheme, not a lane plugging player, not even a two gap fat azz.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:28 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
OAKlifer, you do realize Al tried to lure Madden here and Madden said no way, don’t you?
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Oh yes I realize that….and my post 744 says why davis keeps on that route.. I meant I thought ur whole post was a good point nobody says what they feel or really comentate a game colorfully….I hate joe buck maybe if i watched baseball i would like him Im not an aikman fan at all I MISS AL and John…I miss howard and ali….great points!!!
Even if madden comes in or had said yes I dnt think the it would improved us that much the game has evolved maybe not passded them bye but evolved… it would have helped b/c we would have done some things a little more traditionaly but I think over all it would have been the same
April 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dirty Raccoon, the thought of Al Davis retiring is not a good thought? Do you think it’s a good idea for an owner who’s 24-72 in the past 6 years to keep himself on as GM? And, what drama in Tracy has woke me up? What do I have to do with Tracy? I’ve never been there. I’m from Sacramento.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:24 am
What’s the media’s deal with Mexico, all of a sudden? Like they just found out about cartels…
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The O.J. Trial is over, gotta fill air time with somthin.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
I will miss Madden, and his same TG’s line. ” where to they find a turkey with 6 legs?”
April 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
OAKlifer, John Madden knows today’s NFL far more than Al Davis. And, anyone is an improvement over Al. Anyone. John Madden obviously isn’t the best available GM, nor would he be in that bracket. But he’d be light years better than what we have now.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I think we agree this year Priest, but last year Dmac had to be the pick. The only other options were Dorsey or C Long, and I was adamant about not wanting Long. I gave in on Dorsey due to the medical concerns. You guys were right about that. I loved Ellis, but Dmac was a better player and value at 4. I’m glad to have Dmac and the problem of getting both of them touches in a game.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
John Madden was the one who told Stabler to run his own offense, and ditch the vertical game. I love it when Al Davis loyalists try to morph Madden in with the whole vertical game mindset, and use that as their argument that the game has passed Madden by as well as Davis. Nice try, kiddos.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I wouldn’t be mad at Crabtree. If we stay at 7, I’d be happy with the best player at his postion at OT, LB, WR, or DE.
I just happen to think those players are Andre Smith, Rey Maulauga, Crabtree, or Robert Ayers. Any one of those players in round one for me and I’m a happy camper.
I like Loadholt or Brinkley in rd 2.
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Hmm.. that would be interesting
would you rather go Rey Maulauga & Phil Loadholt
or
Robert Ayers & Jasper Brinkley?
I think Crabtree and the top 3 tackles will be off the board by pick #7
Then Raji drops in our lap and it’s either him, Oher, Orakpo or Maclin imo
Rey & Robert would be reaches at 7th overall.
Orakpo would give us a younger, healthier, stronger version of Derrick Burgess
April 16th, 2009 at 9:34 am
764 ….
Agreed completely the game has not passed him bye just evolved and if I had a choice he would be on the list at the or near the top….
April 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dirty Raccoon, the thought of Al Davis retiring is not a good thought? Do you think it’s a good idea for an owner who’s 24-72 in the past 6 years to keep himself on as GM? And, what drama in Tracy has woke me up? What do I have to do with Tracy? I’ve never been there. I’m from Sacramento.
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No, I am from Sac, you are from Tracy!
The thought of ol Al retiring is a “sobering” thought!
I would be sad, I have been loyal to the MAN for a long long time! I am a fan of the RAIDERS and AL Davis, crazy as it is I put the RAIDERS only a bit ahead of Al, but ahead none the less. So if it is his time let it be so, but if he still wants to go for it I will support him 100%!
In the end Al needs to do whats best for the RAIDERS!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Madden was a great Raider, he really cared and still does.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
My bad, OAK. Thought you were one of these guys trying to justify Davis’s poor management by insisting that we couldn’t get anyone better to run the team. Anyone’s better than Al. Anyone. Period.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Trade 7# to the jets for their #17 & 52# and use all those picks to fill the holes at safety,lb,dl
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17th we could get Oher or Mack
2nd rounder (our own) we could get SS Chung
52nd we could get the best available DT
3rd rounder we could get the best available DE
4th rounder we could get the best available OLB
7th rounder get a size/speed CB to please Al Davis
April 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Raccoon, what has given you the idea that I’m from Tracy? I just told you I’m from Sacramento. What’s your deal?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Raccoon, the first thing Al Davis can do that would be best for the Raiders is retire, now.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:39 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
OAKlifer, John Madden knows today’s NFL far more than Al Davis. And, anyone is an improvement over Al. Anyone. John Madden obviously isn’t the best available GM, nor would he be in that bracket. But he’d be light years better than what we have now.
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No, Al knows the NFL like no one else, he just can’t DOMINATE the talent/free agent market any longer.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Dirty Raccoon, explain to me just how Al Davis knows the NFL like no one else. Is that just kool aid hyperbole you like to spew because it sounds good? There is no such thing as a GM who “knows the game like no one else” having a record as poor as Davis’s in a 6 year span.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:45 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Raccoon, what has given you the idea that I’m from Tracy? I just told you I’m from Sacramento. What’s your deal?
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What street? I live near Meadowview and Amherst.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
No, MR I love davis and think what hes done for the league and our franchise we should be forever in debit to him…..do I think continuing to pick the fastest guy in the draft or gamble on high priced free agents or finding the next madden or flores or young genious is good for the team NO!!! Do I think as some one posted days ago…that if our GM had that record over the last six years Al would have put a mafia hit on him and he would have been the first scapegoat…I think his son Mark is helping and Mr. Davis is taking advice…from him and other people he trusts in the organization yes even Ms. Trask….
April 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
I’m on J street, East Sac.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I will be honest with you. I dont think I would have been a Raiders fan, if Al wasn’t there. I love Al, and all the great things he’s done for the Raiders and the NFL. How can you love Football and not Like Al. Even if you hate Al, can you imagine an NFL without him?!?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Damn, you live in the hood, Racoon. You listen to hip hop? I’ve got all those guys from Gardens. C Bo, Lynch Hung, X Raided…
April 16th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I till you what MR, look up Alex, or Anthony VanDyke ask them who the Raccoon is. Then you will know why I know what I know.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Raider O, beside the point. Al Davis did not build the Raiders, the good Raiders’ teams, by himself. I wouldn’t have been a Raider fan if Al hadn’t have been open back then to letting smart football people build his teams, people like Ron Wolf. Because we never would have won anyway. Al would have been a flash in the pan, out of the league by the mid ’70s, if it weren’t for him hiring people who really did understand football.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
I’ve never doubted who you are, Raccoon. You’re the one accusing me of being a fraud, saying I’m from Tracy. I’ve stopped there to get gas once or twice. Couldn’t name one street in Tracy.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Oaklifer,
I’m a little slow this morning, but ya…..
I was trying to say what you said.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I will be honest with you. I dont think I would have been a Raiders fan, if Al wasn’t there. I love Al, and all the great things he’s done for the Raiders and the NFL. How can you love Football and not Like Al. Even if you hate Al, can you imagine an NFL without him?!?
yep
April 16th, 2009 at 9:56 am
MR, so how much credit (if any) in your estimation goes to Al Davis for the successes of the Raiders?
April 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am
MR,
You say Al allowed smart people to build his teams, but who hired these smart people? Who went and got Talent, Madden, Flores, or was it Ron Wolfe. Who hired Madden when he was just a LB coach? Give the man credit for the good and the bad, not just the bad.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
I’ve never doubted who you are, Raccoon. You’re the one accusing me of being a fraud, saying I’m from Tracy. I’ve stopped there to get gas once or twice. Couldn’t name one street in Tracy.
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Ok fair enough. My bad.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Raider O, as I said, Al deserves as much credit as anyone. But the smart people who built his great teams deserve as much credit as Al Davis, and you guys refuse to give it to them. Again, if not for Ron Wolf, Al Davis is out of the league by the mid ’70s. So, in a way, there’d be no Raiders without Ron Wolf, either, at least not the Raiders you guys have come to know and love, with the great history. Wouldn’t have happened without Wolf. No Ron Wolf, no Raiders. Where’s the love?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Who helped merge the AFL and NFL?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:06 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Damn, you live in the hood, Racoon. You listen to hip hop? I’ve got all those guys from Gardens. C Bo, Lynch Hung, X Raided…
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Born and raised. 6th generation Sac.
J st East Sac huh…hhhmmmmm, I u sure not downtown Jst?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I like Ron Wolf, and I give him credit.
Did Ron Wolf had anything to do with the last Raider SB team?!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Raccoon, J street goes all the way to the river, then turns into Fair Oaks blvd. It’s East Sac’s main thoroughfare. East Sacramento as in East Sac proper, and tha’ts what it’s officially called. East Sac goes from Alhambra to the Elvas. East “side”, on the other hand, is Rancho, Lincoln Village. Now I’m wondering if you’re really from Sac. 6 generations in Meadowview? wow. That goes back to when it was a good neighborhood, doesn’t it?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Raider O, no, Ron Wolf had nothing to do with the last SB team. I was talking about WINNING Super Bowl teams. Forgive me…
April 16th, 2009 at 10:15 am
24th st, Creek Mob, NGC Nogales, G Parkway, Sureno, HMONG NATION SOCIETY, Gardenland, OP Zilla….
I live with them all.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Raccoon, J street goes all the way to the river, then turns into Fair Oaks blvd. It’s East Sac’s main thoroughfare. East Sacramento as in East Sac proper, and tha’ts what it’s officially called. East Sac goes from Alhambra to the Elvas. East “side”, on the other hand, is Rancho, Lincoln Village. Now I’m wondering if you’re really from Sac. 6 generations in Meadowview? wow. That goes back to when it was a good neighborhood, doesn’t it?
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Yer danm right it was a good hood, Oak Park was nice then too.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Went to Sac High. I’m only familiar with Oak Park gangstas, 33rd, 4th ave, and Nortenos from Oak Park, Franklin, Centro, South Side Park and Northgate. There wasn’t a lot of blue at Sac…
April 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Meet Phil Loadholt
Raiders coach Tom Cable loves offensive lineman so much, one team insider swears he’s going to grab two of them in next weekend’s NFL Draft.
It’s all part of his plan to build the Raiders from the “inside out,” as new left tackle Khalif Barnes recently put it.
The list of recent visitors seems to bear the idea out. On Tuesday, two offensive line prospects visited team headquarters — one was unidentified, the other was Oklahoma left tackle Phil Loadholt, who’s projected to go in the second or third round by nfldraftscout.com.
Loadholt took a few minutes for a phone interview while at the Oakland airport Tuesday. Here’s what the 6-foot-8, 332-pound man had to say.
Q: How did the visit go?
A: “I thought it went very well. I met with the offensive line coach, got to sit down with him and go through some stuff on the board. I drew up some schemes we ran at Oklahoma. He taught me a play and I put it back on the board, showed them I can convert a scheme. Things like that.”
Q: What scheme did you run at Oklahoma?
A: We definitely ran a lot of zone blocking. Actually, looking at some of the drills they ran, they are very similar to what we did in college. Definitely very similar.”
Q: What makes you a zone blocking scheme fit?
A: “My ability to get up to the second level. You’re not just blocking a zone, you’re blocking a man. It’s knowing where your man is going to be and being able to get there to block him.”
Q: Any Raiders give you advice?
A: “Met some of the offensive linemen who were there for voluntary workouts, Khalif Barnes, Samson Satele. They just told me take everything in stride and to enjoy the process as much as possible.”
** As for a scouting report on Loadholt, here’s what I gathered from numerous websites.
Pros: Long arms, good strength, above-average athleticism for his size. Has the makings of a solid drive blocker, especially if he goes to the right side. Run blocking is his strength.
Cons: With just two years of college experience, could be a bit of a project. Could have a hard time with speed rushers on the edge.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
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Interesting indeed.
Loadholt would definitely have to be a RT…he can’t play LT and he should definitely be there in Round 2.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
It’s all part of his plan to build the Raiders from the “inside out,” as new left tackle Khalif Barnes recently put it.
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I like hearing this comment…..
April 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Most of Sac’s hoods were nice at one time. Strawberry Manor is Sacramento’s only planned ghetto. It was a de facto black neighborhood before desegregation. Cornell West is from the manor. He’s talked about it a few times. He was on C Span once and this dude from Sac called and West just threw down some game on Sac’s black history. Really interesting.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I had a close friend that was a pro boxer in the late 70’s and 80’s who used to box at the Civic Auditorium in Sac.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Went to Sac High. I’m only familiar with Oak Park gangstas, 33rd, 4th ave, and Nortenos from Oak Park, Franklin, Centro, South Side Park and Northgate. There wasn’t a lot of blue at Sac…
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Burbank
April 16th, 2009 at 10:26 am
A lot of great fights at the auditorium, ExLa. Sacramento is a breeding ground for Mexican fighters, West Sac especially.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:26 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I had a close friend that was a pro boxer in the late 70’s and 80’s who used to box at the Civic Auditorium in Sac.
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Shires, or Lopez?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I think it was the Memorial Aud.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:28 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:22 am
I had a close friend that was a pro boxer in the late 70’s and 80’s who used to box at the Civic Auditorium in Sac.
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Memorial Auditorium
April 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raccoon, one year we played at Burbank, on their little makeshift stadium there, and there was almost a fight after the game. Dudes from Gardens were coming over from those apartments across the track and Sac’s bus had to get out fast. Funny shyt.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Raccoon’s right, it was the memorial auditorium. It’s an old building. Really old. Civic’s fairly new, ’70s I think.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Monroe Brooks was his name. Former NABF Jr. Welt champ for 5 yrs. Lost a 15 rounder in Thailand for the title and had a war with Bruce Curry. Refused to fight for Don King and never got a 2nd shot at the World Title.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:33 am
George Foreman trained in Sac a lot, at the PAL gym in Oak Park. He has kids from Sac. Went to summer school at Hiram Johnson with one of them. The kid’s name was George Foreman, as Foreman named all of his sons George. No joke. Really quiet kid, unlike dad.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Here’s a link:
http://www.maxboxing.com/Groves/Groves110607.asp
April 16th, 2009 at 10:36 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raccoon, one year we played at Burbank, on their little makeshift stadium there, and there was almost a fight after the game. Dudes from Gardens were coming over from those apartments across the track and Sac’s bus had to get out fast. Funny shyt.
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What year?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Given the fact that most evaluators felt Sanchez’s workout was more impressive than that Staffords, I would say he is a hot name on draft day. Throw in the position he plays, the school and offense he played in, I would say it is almost a slam dunk that he gets taken by Seattle or someone trades for him in the top 7. Also, the kid was the number one rated QB in the country coming out of high school… It’s not like he came from nowhere. I would say that Sanchez ending up a top 5 pick is pretty close to a lock at this point. I think you will hear a lot about that next week.
Also, look for a lot of guys to start slipping early next week. Heard 26 or so names failed the drug tests at the combine.. This should all come out next week besides the names we have heard already like Raji, Harvin, Cushing and Matthews.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
The Raiders should draft Crabtree with their #7 pick in the first round of the draft. If he is not available, the Raider should trade back and pick up Philly’s #21st and #28th pick in the first round. Who should the Raiders pick? It should depend on the need versus the best player available. However, my priority would be to draft WR Ramses Barden in the second round. If the Raiders are able to get Crabtree at #7, then my second round pick is Alex Mack, Duke Robinson or Ron Brace, in that order. I would address defense in the third round. In the fourth round I would select Bear Pascoe TE.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
macermento..valley JO….Crestside…yadidimean….
sorry just wanted in on the CSCC talk!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
RaiderTroy Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
The Raiders should draft Crabtree with their #7 pick in the first round of the draft. If he is not available, the Raider should trade back and pick up Philly’s #21st and #28th pick in the first round. Who should the Raiders pick? It should depend on the need versus the best player available. However, my priority would be to draft WR Ramses Barden in the second round. If the Raiders are able to get Crabtree at #7, then my second round pick is Alex Mack, Duke Robinson or Ron Brace, in that order. I would address defense in the third round. In the fourth round I would select Bear Pascoe TE.
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Agreed with the Crabtree selection. If Crabtree is NOT there at #7….then they need to get the hell out of the #7 spot and TRADE DOWN.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I think Matthews would be a solid player for the Raiders.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
# Einstein Says:
April 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am
PLEASE SAY NO TO RAJI. He is just another Darrel Russel in disguise. Pass on Raji, do the right thing Al.
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If he is ANYTHING like russell was on field then we need to take him, sign him for life, and be set for the next ten years. before russell became an idiot, he was the DT in the league by a landslide. The guy dominated for three years before he became mentally retarded.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Draft Sanchez!!!!!!!!!
JaBubbles is a BUST!!!!
June 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
generic soma…
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Prescription Aphthasol…
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